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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 - 10/12/09
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2009, 11:36:35 AM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:14:06 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:14:25 AM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


WE made it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2009, 01:15:19 AM
I really like my new guy  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyWeight::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:15:44 AM
Nite Monkeys! Back to the game. Gooooooooooooo  LSU!     ::MonkeyFootball::
Justice FOR Natalee!!!!!!!!     ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:15:58 AM
I really like my new guy  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyWeight::
Me Too!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:16:42 AM
 
::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice::

It's coming......

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Nite Monkeys! Back to the game. Gooooooooooooo  LSU!     ::MonkeyFootball::
Justice FOR Natalee!!!!!!!!     ::MonkeyGavel::
Good Night Cajun Miracle!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
I really like my new guy  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyWeight::
Me Too!  ::MonkeyCool::

Me three!   ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyWeight::

Too cool Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:20:20 AM


I just noticed....that bar's not in one piece!  Hope that weld holds!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:25:48 AM


I just noticed....that bar's not in one piece!  Hope that weld holds!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:30:27 AM
Nite Monkeys! Back to the game. Gooooooooooooo  LSU!     ::MonkeyFootball::
Justice FOR Natalee!!!!!!!!     ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:34:32 AM
See Ya Later Monkeys!....I'm out of here for awhile....but..I'lll be back!  ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:44:20 AM
Well I'm Back....


Aruba World Trade Center
 
The Aruba WTC Complex
 
The Aruba World Trade Center complex will ultimately encompass two or more buildings. The full plan is in the development stages and will be available in the immediate future. All buildings may be developed directly in the Port of Aruba and be come a viable part of the Aruba Free Trade Zone and the “New Aruba Port”.



Aruba World Trade Center


The Aruba World Trade - Building One (phase one)
 
Building one of The Aruba World Trade Center complex will be dedicated to a mixed use concept which will include the Aruba World Trade Center offices, a World Trade Center global display,
world class public and private sector offices, regional offices of international ports and trade ministries, two floors of state of the art virtual offices for international companies, two floors of permanent exhibition space, an International business center with a global communications
network and executive level business services which will be available to all manufacturers and tenants of the building, ocean view condos, a World Trade Showcase Center, and the very exclusive Aruba World Trade Center Club and its dining and leisure facilities. 

This building is currently projected to be 200,000 gross square feet.
 
Phase one of the Aruba WTC complex will contain all of the following which will include
a minimum of 8 Profit Centers including: 
   
The Aruba World Trade Center

The Aruba World Trade Showcase Center

The Aruba World Trade Center Club, including
a roof top revolving Restaurant, live entertainment, cocktail lounge, and VIP
Private Dining facilities

Several floors of ocean view Condos/Hotel

VIP Executive Offices and Suites with full services

Wireless Internet Service Throughout including Videoconferencing and VIP Services

Local and International Economic Development Offices

Consulate and Trade Ministry Offices

An International bank

Digital and Hi-Definition Video and TV
Production Facilities
 Aruba's first international investment banking organization

International Private Sector Offices

Conference Rooms with High Definition Projection Capability

Electronic International Library

Translation and Interpreting Service Center

Print/Copy/Shipping Center

Meeting Facilities and Classrooms with latest
AV Technology

Full-Service Business Center for Program Participants, members and guests

Government and Chambers of Commerce
Offices

Meeting & Seminar facilities

And possibly the Aruba Stock exchange.

2007 Aruba World Trade Center

 
There will also be other business features included in this complex.

 http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=138

http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=137


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
Well I'm Back....


Aruba World Trade Center
 
The Aruba WTC Complex
 
The Aruba World Trade Center complex will ultimately encompass two or more buildings. The full plan is in the development stages and will be available in the immediate future. All buildings may be developed directly in the Port of Aruba and be come a viable part of the Aruba Free Trade Zone and the “New Aruba Port”.



Aruba World Trade Center


The Aruba World Trade - Building One (phase one)
 
Building one of The Aruba World Trade Center complex will be dedicated to a mixed use concept which will include the Aruba World Trade Center offices, a World Trade Center global display,
world class public and private sector offices, regional offices of international ports and trade ministries, two floors of state of the art virtual offices for international companies, two floors of permanent exhibition space, an International business center with a global communications
network and executive level business services which will be available to all manufacturers and tenants of the building, ocean view condos, a World Trade Showcase Center, and the very exclusive Aruba World Trade Center Club and its dining and leisure facilities. 

This building is currently projected to be 200,000 gross square feet.
 
Phase one of the Aruba WTC complex will contain all of the following which will include
a minimum of 8 Profit Centers including: 
   
The Aruba World Trade Center

The Aruba World Trade Showcase Center

The Aruba World Trade Center Club, including
a roof top revolving Restaurant, live entertainment, cocktail lounge, and VIP
Private Dining facilities

Several floors of ocean view Condos/Hotel

VIP Executive Offices and Suites with full services

Wireless Internet Service Throughout including Videoconferencing and VIP Services

Local and International Economic Development Offices

Consulate and Trade Ministry Offices

An International bank

Digital and Hi-Definition Video and TV
Production Facilities
 Aruba's first international investment banking organization

International Private Sector Offices

Conference Rooms with High Definition Projection Capability

Electronic International Library

Translation and Interpreting Service Center

Print/Copy/Shipping Center

Meeting Facilities and Classrooms with latest
AV Technology

Full-Service Business Center for Program Participants, members and guests

Government and Chambers of Commerce
Offices

Meeting & Seminar facilities

And possibly the Aruba Stock exchange.

2007 Aruba World Trade Center

 
There will also be other business features included in this complex.

 http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=138

http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=137
   ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER LLC
 Fort lauderdale, FL
West palm beach, FL   
AVON, RANDY
(MANAGER)
BIKKER, ANDIN
(MANAGER)
OPPEL, EDWARD R
(MANAGER)
ROSSO, FRANK
(MANAGER)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 06, 2009, 02:41:22 AM
2NJSONS_MOM, Cajon Miracle, Hotping, TM and anyone else I may have missed....
Thanks for the welcome back......
Justice for Natalee is where it is at.....
May all good Monkeys celebrate together when Natalee and her family receives the Justice that is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::
The perps and american traitors are one day closer to being exxxxxxxposed and held accountable...
Tick Tock...Tick Tock....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 06, 2009, 02:43:12 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2009, 04:05:27 AM
PRAYERS FOR TAMIKOSMOM & FAMILY.. ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry TM.Wasn't in the white sweatshirt! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Was a wonderful evening on Montlake,although we lost.The Dawgs are improved.Cajun miracle.Spoke with a couple long time LSU fans and they said "the boys got a lot of work to do or LSU may not win a game in the SEC".The LSU fans were VERY disappointed in the teams performance.LSU fans were absolutely hospitable and it was a privilege to have them up to the NorthWest & wish em the best the rest of the way!

Nice to have Billb back in the saddle!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. SORRY FOR THE O/T MODS! ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 05:37:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2009, 09:26:21 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 11:21:50 AM


Good morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Well I'm Back....


Aruba World Trade Center
 
The Aruba WTC Complex
 
The Aruba World Trade Center complex will ultimately encompass two or more buildings. The full plan is in the development stages and will be available in the immediate future. All buildings may be developed directly in the Port of Aruba and be come a viable part of the Aruba Free Trade Zone and the “New Aruba Port”.



Aruba World Trade Center


The Aruba World Trade - Building One (phase one)
 
Building one of The Aruba World Trade Center complex will be dedicated to a mixed use concept which will include the Aruba World Trade Center offices, a World Trade Center global display,
world class public and private sector offices, regional offices of international ports and trade ministries, two floors of state of the art virtual offices for international companies, two floors of permanent exhibition space, an International business center with a global communications
network and executive level business services which will be available to all manufacturers and tenants of the building, ocean view condos, a World Trade Showcase Center, and the very exclusive Aruba World Trade Center Club and its dining and leisure facilities. 

This building is currently projected to be 200,000 gross square feet.
 
Phase one of the Aruba WTC complex will contain all of the following which will include
a minimum of 8 Profit Centers including: 
   
The Aruba World Trade Center

The Aruba World Trade Showcase Center

The Aruba World Trade Center Club, including
a roof top revolving Restaurant, live entertainment, cocktail lounge, and VIP
Private Dining facilities

Several floors of ocean view Condos/Hotel

VIP Executive Offices and Suites with full services

Wireless Internet Service Throughout including Videoconferencing and VIP Services

Local and International Economic Development Offices

Consulate and Trade Ministry Offices

An International bank

Digital and Hi-Definition Video and TV
Production Facilities
 Aruba's first international investment banking organization

International Private Sector Offices

Conference Rooms with High Definition Projection Capability

Electronic International Library

Translation and Interpreting Service Center

Print/Copy/Shipping Center

Meeting Facilities and Classrooms with latest
AV Technology

Full-Service Business Center for Program Participants, members and guests

Government and Chambers of Commerce
Offices

Meeting & Seminar facilities

And possibly the Aruba Stock exchange.

2007 Aruba World Trade Center

 
There will also be other business features included in this complex.

 http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=138

http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=137
   ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER LLC
 Fort lauderdale, FL
West palm beach, FL   
AVON, RANDY
(MANAGER)
BIKKER, ANDIN
(MANAGER)
OPPEL, EDWARD R
(MANAGER)
ROSSO, FRANK
(MANAGER)

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24874

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Foundation Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 11 APRIL 1991 under serial number S132 is the foundation with the tradename:

 
STICHTING ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER FOUNDATION
 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 50, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   FOUNDATION
Name of the   STICHTING ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER FOUNDATION
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of   14 APRIL 1991
incorporation/commencement:
Last amendment in the articles   20 SEPTEMBER 1996
    
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS

AVON, RANDY;
Residing in   2100 NE 55TH STREET , FORT LAUDERDALE, FL. 33308, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A. on 25 SEPTEMBER 1940
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   PRESIDENT
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OPPEL, EDWARD RICHARD;
Residing in   10767 GRANDE BOULEVARD WEST PALM BEACH, FL. 33412, FLORIDA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A. on 30 DECEMBER 1939
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   SECRETARY
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
BOEKHOUDT, GENE JEAN DOUARD;
Residing in   ROOI KOCHI 27-W, SAVANETA, ARUBA
Born in   ARUBA on 3 MARCH 1978
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
BIKKER, ANDIN CEASAR GIOVANNI;
Residing in   MADUROSTRAAT 17, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in   ARUBA on 20 AUGUST 1969
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
ROSSO, FRANK JEREMEY;
Residing in   2760 SE 13TH COURT POMPARO BEACH, FL 33062, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A. on 8 JULY 1962
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE FOUNDATION

1. TO PROMOTE, DEVELOP, BUILD AND EXPLOIT A WORLD TRADE CENTRE IN ARUBA.
2. TO ORGANIZE OR DO ORGANIZE STOCK EXCHANGE, MARKETS, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND AGRICULTURAL EXHIBITIONS, AS WELL IN ARUBA AS ABROAD.
3. TO ADVISE IN THE FIELD OF SALE AND PROMOTION IN GENERAL
4. TO PERFORM ALL THAT WHICH IS RELATED TO THE ABOVEMENTIONED AND CAN BE CONDUCIVE THERETO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 11:32:14 AM
WORLD TRADE CENTER ARUBA A.V.V.
A.V.V.S    35894/000


http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37223

Close · Aruba, September 6th, 2009

THIS ENTERPRISE IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS CONCERNING PAYMENT OF THE ANNUAL CHAMBER DUES

If you wish to obtain information regarding this company, you can request
     - to have access to its file for perusal (only possible at the premises of the Aruba
       Chamber of Commerce), or
     - an extract of the company registration (a standard extract can be issued within                         
       24 hours after due payment is received. Historical extracts take a maximum
       of 3 days to prepare). For the applicable tariffs click here

For an appointment to inspect files or for ordering an extract contact the Aruba Chamber of Commerce by email at reception@arubachamber.com  You can also order online by clicking here.

Appointments and orders cannot be processed unless the company name and/or file number and your email address as well as your telephone number are provided.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 11:50:15 AM
Good Morning All!

Janet
8:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Good Morning All!

Janet
8:50 AM PT

Good Morning Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:51:11 PM
Well I'm Back....


Aruba World Trade Center
 
The Aruba WTC Complex
 
The Aruba World Trade Center complex will ultimately encompass two or more buildings. The full plan is in the development stages and will be available in the immediate future. All buildings may be developed directly in the Port of Aruba and be come a viable part of the Aruba Free Trade Zone and the “New Aruba Port”.



Aruba World Trade Center


The Aruba World Trade - Building One (phase one)
 
Building one of The Aruba World Trade Center complex will be dedicated to a mixed use concept which will include the Aruba World Trade Center offices, a World Trade Center global display,
world class public and private sector offices, regional offices of international ports and trade ministries, two floors of state of the art virtual offices for international companies, two floors of permanent exhibition space, an International business center with a global communications
network and executive level business services which will be available to all manufacturers and tenants of the building, ocean view condos, a World Trade Showcase Center, and the very exclusive Aruba World Trade Center Club and its dining and leisure facilities. 

This building is currently projected to be 200,000 gross square feet.
 
Phase one of the Aruba WTC complex will contain all of the following which will include
a minimum of 8 Profit Centers including: 
   
The Aruba World Trade Center

The Aruba World Trade Showcase Center

The Aruba World Trade Center Club, including
a roof top revolving Restaurant, live entertainment, cocktail lounge, and VIP
Private Dining facilities

Several floors of ocean view Condos/Hotel

VIP Executive Offices and Suites with full services

Wireless Internet Service Throughout including Videoconferencing and VIP Services

Local and International Economic Development Offices

Consulate and Trade Ministry Offices

An International bank

Digital and Hi-Definition Video and TV
Production Facilities
 Aruba's first international investment banking organization

International Private Sector Offices

Conference Rooms with High Definition Projection Capability

Electronic International Library

Translation and Interpreting Service Center

Print/Copy/Shipping Center

Meeting Facilities and Classrooms with latest
AV Technology

Full-Service Business Center for Program Participants, members and guests

Government and Chambers of Commerce
Offices

Meeting & Seminar facilities

And possibly the Aruba Stock exchange.

2007 Aruba World Trade Center

 
There will also be other business features included in this complex.

 http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=138

http://www.websiteq.com/member/arubawtc/index.asp?action=page&name=1&subname=137
   ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER LLC
 Fort lauderdale, FL
West palm beach, FL   
AVON, RANDY
(MANAGER)
BIKKER, ANDIN
(MANAGER)
OPPEL, EDWARD R
(MANAGER)
ROSSO, FRANK
(MANAGER)

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24874

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Foundation Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 11 APRIL 1991 under serial number S132 is the foundation with the tradename:

 
STICHTING ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER FOUNDATION
 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 50, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   FOUNDATION
Name of the   STICHTING ARUBA WORLD TRADE CENTER FOUNDATION
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of   14 APRIL 1991
incorporation/commencement:
Last amendment in the articles   20 SEPTEMBER 1996
    
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS

AVON, RANDY;
Residing in   2100 NE 55TH STREET , FORT LAUDERDALE, FL. 33308, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A. on 25 SEPTEMBER 1940
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   PRESIDENT
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OPPEL, EDWARD RICHARD;
Residing in   10767 GRANDE BOULEVARD WEST PALM BEACH, FL. 33412, FLORIDA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A. on 30 DECEMBER 1939
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   SECRETARY
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
BOEKHOUDT, GENE JEAN DOUARD;
Residing in   ROOI KOCHI 27-W, SAVANETA, ARUBA
Born in   ARUBA on 3 MARCH 1978
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
BIKKER, ANDIN CEASAR GIOVANNI;
Residing in   MADUROSTRAAT 17, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in   ARUBA on 20 AUGUST 1969
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
ROSSO, FRANK JEREMEY;
Residing in   2760 SE 13TH COURT POMPARO BEACH, FL 33062, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A. on 8 JULY 1962
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   31 JANUARY 2007
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE FOUNDATION

1. TO PROMOTE, DEVELOP, BUILD AND EXPLOIT A WORLD TRADE CENTRE IN ARUBA.
2. TO ORGANIZE OR DO ORGANIZE STOCK EXCHANGE, MARKETS, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND AGRICULTURAL EXHIBITIONS, AS WELL IN ARUBA AS ABROAD.
3. TO ADVISE IN THE FIELD OF SALE AND PROMOTION IN GENERAL
4. TO PERFORM ALL THAT WHICH IS RELATED TO THE ABOVEMENTIONED AND CAN BE CONDUCIVE THERETO.
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 6 DECEMBER 2001 under serial number 28361.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
 
GOMEZ & BIKKER 
 
Business address CAYA DR. J.E.M. ARENDS 14, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  PARTNERSHIP 
Name of the company  MAATSCHAP ADVOCATEN GOMEZ & BIKKER 
Date of commencement  15 MARCH 2000 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ADVOKATENPRAKTIJK MR.A. BIKKER N.V. 
Established at  MORGENSTER 106, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Position  MANAGING PARTNER 
Since  6 DECEMBER 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
ADVOKATENPRAKTIJK MR. L.D. GOMEZ N.V. 
Established at  L.G. SMITH BLVD. 150, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Position  MANAGING PARTNER 
Since  6 DECEMBER 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
ADVOCATUUR IN HET ALGEMEEN. 
   
 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Foundation Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 DECEMBER 2001 under serial number S576 is the foundation with the tradename:
 
 
GOMEZ & BIKKER FOUNDATION 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 50, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the GOMEZ & BIKKER FOUNDATION 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 13 DECEMBER 2001 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
BIKKER, ANDIN CEASAR GIOVANNI; 
Residing in  MADUROSTRAAT 17, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 AUGUST 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  13 DECEMBER 2001 
   
VAN ROMONDT, ALICE CONSTANCE; 
Residing in  LAGOENWEG 13, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 2 DECEMBER 1949 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  13 DECEMBER 2001 
   
GOMEZ, LINCOLN DELWIN; 
Residing in  MALMOKWEG 22-N, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 28 DECEMBER 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  13 DECEMBER 2001 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE FOUNDATION 
 
HET BIJDRAGEN AAN DE ONTWIKKELING VAN DE WETENSCHAP EN KUNST IN HET ALGEMEEN EN IN HET BIJZONDER DE JURIDISCHE EN KUNST WETENSCHAP OP ARUBA. 
   
 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 06, 2009, 02:16:05 PM
I think I owe KTF an apology (and condolences). Yesterday he was screaming "Go Dawgs". I thought he was purposefully trying to get my goat and root for the Georgia Bulldawgs (who my OSU Cowboys played yesterday). I realized last night he was merely rooting for his "Husky dawgs"!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2009, 02:20:03 PM
Great work, Hotping & Texasmom!!!!

 ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyWeight::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2009, 02:36:05 PM
I think I owe KTF an apology (and condolences). Yesterday he was screaming "Go Dawgs". I thought he was purposefully trying to get my goat and root for the Georgia Bulldawgs (who my OSU Cowboys played yesterday). I realized last night he was merely rooting for his "Husky dawgs"!  ::MonkeyShocked::

No apologies necessary Wreck! ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2009, 02:37:49 PM
Looks like Aruba is constructing a building to house all the illegal operations? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2009, 02:46:56 PM
Looks like Aruba is constructing a building to house all the illegal operations? ::MonkeyCool::

It will be VERY interesting to see which companies will be occupying this buldings office space! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
Was there a preconceived plan to implicate "only" Joran and an unnamed accomplice  in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway while distancing the Kalpoe brothers who had the ability to implicate Paulus, Steve Croes and the sons of the elite.

On one hand ... "The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force" claim in the following press announcement that Joran van der Sloot words in the recording do not justify an arrest as he is not trustworthy and cannot be believed but ... on the other hand .... the Kalpoes can be exonerated by those same words that cannot be believed.

Janet

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hotping
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #790 1/3/09 -
« Reply #809 on: January 06, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »


Press Anouncement
Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover. The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?
1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.
2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.  Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.

He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.
Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.

Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.

In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 04:33:45 PM
THE ARUBAN STRATEGY

Aruba must be given credit … in regards to the "confession" recording involving Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem ... the strategy is brilliant.  The implication of only Joran and the exoneration of Deepak and Satish as well as Paulus in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 is a simplified means that will allow the “powers that be” to bring the Natalee Holloway case to a close; appease a grieving family; reverse negative media attention; and the hope of raking in millions from Phil McGraw through the defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

Janet

______________


The Prosecutor's Office

JANUARY, 2009 - HANS MOS
Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Patrick van der Eem

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.


http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2009, 05:34:46 PM
I think I owe KTF an apology (and condolences). Yesterday he was screaming "Go Dawgs". I thought he was purposefully trying to get my goat and root for the Georgia Bulldawgs (who my OSU Cowboys played yesterday). I realized last night he was merely rooting for his "Husky dawgs"!  ::MonkeyShocked::

No apologies necessary Wreck! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Congrats, Wreck on your OSU Cowboys victory over those old GA Dawgs. ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 06, 2009, 07:08:15 PM
Hi Janet, welcome back.  Hope you enjoyed your time with your grandbaby.

As for Joran taking the brunt of all this I believe the powers that be know that the Kalpoes are their ticket to wealth and payback.  Joran knows this also along with Paulus.  No one wants to make the Kalpoes mad as their are the islands meal ticket AND most importantly they can spill their guts and expose the whole lot of them.  BUT in doing so they would pay dearly with their lives.  They wouldn't live very long on that island if they were stupid to do something like that.

By the way, any more news on the lawsuit against Dr. Phil?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Hi Janet, welcome back.  Hope you enjoyed your time with your grandbaby.

As for Joran taking the brunt of all this I believe the powers that be know that the Kalpoes are their ticket to wealth and payback.  Joran knows this also along with Paulus.  No one wants to make the Kalpoes mad as their are the islands meal ticket AND most importantly they can spill their guts and expose the whole lot of them.  BUT in doing so they would pay dearly with their lives.  They wouldn't live very long on that island if they were stupid to do something like that.

By the way, any more news on the lawsuit against Dr. Phil?

Blue Moon

Being the devil's advocate ... I respectfully disagree.

I believe that if the Kalpoe's exposed all ... their lives would be spared.  The "powers that be" would insure that no harm came to them.  After all ... the world would be watching ... waiting and ... anticipating ... Aruba's response.

To avoid the Kalpoes revealing all ... I believe that the strategy encompassing the Devries/van der Eem recording was to distance the Kalpoes from implication and ... thus use their exoneration to rake in millions from Phil McGraw and ... affording the Kalpoes a portion.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 06, 2009, 08:15:27 PM
Hi Janet, welcome back.  Hope you enjoyed your time with your grandbaby.

As for Joran taking the brunt of all this I believe the powers that be know that the Kalpoes are their ticket to wealth and payback.  Joran knows this also along with Paulus.  No one wants to make the Kalpoes mad as their are the islands meal ticket AND most importantly they can spill their guts and expose the whole lot of them.  BUT in doing so they would pay dearly with their lives.  They wouldn't live very long on that island if they were stupid to do something like that.

By the way, any more news on the lawsuit against Dr. Phil?

Blue Moon

Being the devil's advocate ... I respectfully disagree.

I believe that if the Kalpoe's exposed all ... their lives would be spared.  The "powers that be" would insure that no harm came to them.  After all ... the world would be watching ... waiting and ... anticipating ... Aruba's response.

To avoid the Kalpoes revealing all ... I believe that the strategy encompassing the Devries/van der Eem recording was to distance the Kalpoes from implication and ... thus use their exoneration to rake in millions from Phil McGraw and ... affording the Kalpoes a portion.

IMO

Janet

I view it as a double edged sword for the Kalpoes.  Leave them alone, let them win their case against Dr. Phil, they in turn turn that money over to Aruba to pay for their troubles during all this and they go on living on that dirty little island no questions asked.

On the other hand, let them lose the lawsuit and their lives are worth nothing to the LE, Aruba, AHATA.  I hate to think what would happen to them "when" they lose the lawsuit.  Another hanging with their hands int heir pockets--suicide.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:40:03 PM
Blue Moon

I believe ... win or lose the McGraw lawsuit ... the Kalpoes days are numbered.  When the Natalee Holloway case is a distance memory in the minds of Americans ... When media attention is no longer a focus ... Deepak and Satish will both "commit  suicide with their hands in their pockets".

Aruba cannot chance that one will grow a conscience at some point in time and will expose the involvement of Joran ... Paulus and ... the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those within Aruban Law Enforcement who were behind the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway..

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on September 06, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
Janet I am sorry to hear your DIL miscarried the baby she and your son were so looking forward to, and even though their hearts are broken, I hope DIL is doing o. k. physically. 
May they be blessed with a little one in the future. ::MonkeyAngel::
can.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 06, 2009, 09:09:23 PM
Janet, I am so sorry for the loss.  I know how they feel.  I suffered two miscarriages after having my one and only child.  It was time to call it a day and not try anymore.  I was in my mid-late thirties and it was time.  It is NOT time for your son and DIL to hang it up.  They will have children with the help of caring doctors who specialize in this, diagnose the problem and correct it.  It takes time.  To this day I do sit and count how old they would have been, whether it was a girl or boy, what their lives would have been.  I hate it my son is an only child but I love him dearly and he is my life and I count my blessings for him every day.  Again I am so sorry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 09:21:45 PM
Janet, I am so sorry for the loss.  I know how they feel.  I suffered two miscarriages after having my one and only child.  It was time to call it a day and not try anymore.  I was in my mid-late thirties and it was time.  It is NOT time for your son and DIL to hang it up.  They will have children with the help of caring doctors who specialize in this, diagnose the problem and correct it.  It takes time.  To this day I do sit and count how old they would have been, whether it was a girl or boy, what their lives would have been.  I hate it my son is an only child but I love him dearly and he is my life and I count my blessings for him every day.  Again I am so sorry.

Thank you Blue Moon and Can for your concern.

Blue Moon ... thank you.  I love you

You allowed me to articulate what I have only shared with my hubby.  I loved my two grandbabies who I never got to embrace from the moment that DIL and youngest son excitedly proclaimed the good news that they were on the way.  Although it has not been expressed ... I know their Mommy and Daddy feel the same way.  I do not know why our family tends to shy away from the topic.

In the new year ... DIL is going to submit to tests to determine if there is a problem and ... if there is ... what is the solution.

Good Night All.

Janet
6:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 06, 2009, 09:47:15 PM
Janet, I am so sorry for the loss.  I know how they feel.  I suffered two miscarriages after having my one and only child.  It was time to call it a day and not try anymore.  I was in my mid-late thirties and it was time.  It is NOT time for your son and DIL to hang it up.  They will have children with the help of caring doctors who specialize in this, diagnose the problem and correct it.  It takes time.  To this day I do sit and count how old they would have been, whether it was a girl or boy, what their lives would have been.  I hate it my son is an only child but I love him dearly and he is my life and I count my blessings for him every day.  Again I am so sorry.

Thank you Blue Moon and Can for your concern.

Blue Moon ... thank you.  I love you

You allowed me to articulate what I have only shared with my hubby.  I loved my two grandbabies who I never got to embrace from the moment that DIL and youngest son excitedly proclaimed the good news that they were on the way.  Although it has not been expressed ... I know their Mommy and Daddy feel the same way.  I do not know why our family tends to shy away from the topic.

In the new year ... DIL is going to submit to tests to determine if there is a problem and ... if there is ... what is the solution.

Good Night All.

Janet
6:25 PM PT


(personal to Janet, and OT)
Janet, I am so sorry for all of you.  I know the feeling well.  I lost 5 pregnancy's, and then had my son.  I lost another pregnancy and then had my daughter, then I lost the last one after she was born.  The hurt and sense of failure and sense of loss you go through with each loss is unbelievable, and probably only understood by some one who goes through it.  After the loss of my 5 pregnancys with no children, my doctor put me on birth control, and told me to take a break, and not to even think about it for a year.  Some how the hormones in the birth control pills triggered another pregnancy, that I wasn't aware of for 4 months because I thought it was from the birth control pills that I was having a period.  I was shocked, thrilled, and prayed thanks that I finally got past that dreaded three months.  With my daughter I was given 'male' hormones, and clomid, and was pregnant with her the following month.  Please tell your daughter in law that there has been so much developed and learned since then (38  years ago) and to try to stay hopeful.  I know how discouraging it can be, but the rewards are well with the wait.  My love and prayers for all of you. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 06, 2009, 09:54:36 PM
Think I will call it a night.  Took an overnite trip to Jonesborough, TN (oldest town in TN).  Came back today via south Virginia mountains.  One mountain was 4500 ft high and I have a fear of heights.  Needless to say a nap today didn't happen.  Every time I closed my eyes I see those beautiful mountains (and also the sheer dropoff on my side of the road).

Sunny -  :smt056  {{Hugs}}


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 10:06:36 PM
Blue Moon and AZSunny

Thank you both for sharing in regards to the heartbreaking emotions associated with loosing your precious babies ... precious babies you had yet to hold in your arms.  Although ... my DIL appears to be is somewhat detached in regards to comforting words of others ... she really has not shared what she is feeling ... at least not with me.

I now have a deeper understanding.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 06, 2009, 11:15:18 PM
Think I will call it a night.  Took an overnite trip to Jonesborough, TN (oldest town in TN).  Came back today via south Virginia mountains.  One mountain was 4500 ft high and I have a fear of heights.  Needless to say a nap today didn't happen.  Every time I closed my eyes I see those beautiful mountains (and also the sheer dropoff on my side of the road).

Sunny -  :smt056  {{Hugs}}

To you too Blue Moon... big hugs... :smt056 :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 07, 2009, 12:09:10 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 07, 2009, 12:10:18 AM
Think I will call it a night.  Took an overnite trip to Jonesborough, TN (oldest town in TN).  Came back today via south Virginia mountains.  One mountain was 4500 ft high and I have a fear of heights.  Needless to say a nap today didn't happen.  Every time I closed my eyes I see those beautiful mountains (and also the sheer dropoff on my side of the road).

Sunny -  :smt056  {{Hugs}}

Ahh, Blue Moon. You were minutes from me. You'll have to come back when the leaves start to turn. It's gorgeous!

Hi Monkeys! I was just checking in and wanted to put my "Justice For Natalee" shout out before turning in.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 01:33:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 07, 2009, 02:24:47 AM
I think I owe KTF an apology (and condolences). Yesterday he was screaming "Go Dawgs". I thought he was purposefully trying to get my goat and root for the Georgia Bulldawgs (who my OSU Cowboys played yesterday). I realized last night he was merely rooting for his "Husky dawgs"!  ::MonkeyShocked::

No apologies necessary Wreck! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Congrats, Wreck on your OSU Cowboys victory over those old GA Dawgs. ::MonkeyFootball::
Thanks, Mags! I'll try to kep on topic! (I got a little giddy - I'm not used to an Okie State with a OU loss on the same day!)  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on September 07, 2009, 09:46:36 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Thank you 2NJ - I'm always happy to see your reminder. ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyJustice:: for dear Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 11:35:14 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Thank you 2NJ - I'm always happy to see your reminder. ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyJustice:: for dear Natalee!

Me too!  ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11759/5/

Papiamentu translation:

delfin dead owing to spula at ground

monday, 07 september 2009 - 02:34 ammf owing to recibi one melding 7or y half of morning on saturday, september 5, 2009,di turtugaruba cu have one delfin dead on beach behind light house. owing to resulta of is one delfin “stenella coerulealba “ (striped dolphin) cu is form part of one are cu is transita in we water regularly y is ‘bowride’ cu botonan local. during month of august ammf owing to recibi various ‘sightings’ of the are of delfin here hasiendo acrobasia much high on water. click read more for more informacion y imagen...... the striped dolphin is the delfin cu parent acrobacia spectacular of all especie, among another ‘somersaults’, ‘tailspins’, y ‘ porpoising upside down’(nan can leave for of water y diving bek cabes abao). they can stay 10 minuut largo bao water without breathe y is diving till one profundidad of 225 m. only in atlantico y mediteraneo they're ‘bowride’ ( acerca y swim cu botonan).

the delfin dead cu is measure 180cm, owing to spula at ground as on september 4 or 5, because; cu according datos of turtugaruba on sep 3 the not tawata on the beach. one buraco rondo at near among his dorsal end y tail is indica cu probably the will owing to wordo throw for one speargun y owing to hoga at consequencia of that. his estado of decomposicion is indica one dead of at least 3 day happen. the have various sla at his curpa y finnan y his kaak of upstairs is parcialmente break cu posiblemente is consequencia of olanan cu owing to tire contra baranca.

owing to base of his ubicacion, the can owing to drief for of corsow for aruba, but not have proof for can conclui cu seguridad if the delfin owing to wordo kill cu speargun at corsow or here at aruba self, because; cu the lugar where the la wordo find is popular for localnan cu is spearfish (reconfirma on the morning of sep 5 cu tawata have person is spearfish einan). besides,como cu ammf have testimonio of presencia of trawlers of pesca japones y venezolano in water among aruba y corsow do not descarta the posibilidad cu the delfin here can owing to die also owing to cause of bycatch. according we leynan at aruba, is illegal for kill y captura delfin y also for molestia they in they period biologico of stress, for example during they ciclo of give luz, recuperacion or procreacion. ammf is make one apelacion at people of aruba for can please give good ehempel at world y colabora at conservacion of we delfinnan. bibo they're be worth more for aruba cu dead.

for esunnan cu not know still,segun study y compilacion of datos in ultimo 12 year (pa ammf), have 2 especie ( spotted dolphin y roughtoothed dolphin) cu owing to scohe aruba because; refugio contra danger (e.o. shark y orca) hour of recupera y give luz, that is give aruba one valor ecologico much high y is one previlegio of naturaleza unique y cu much country is anhela of can have the suerte of one darling so! as respeta character y not corre cu delfinan here for of we island door of kill y molestianan. the delfinnan here merece of is one proud nacional of we character.

the deflin owing to spula at ground on one beach cu is tapa cu one manta of desperdicio of plastic for of comienso till end. ammf is make one apelacion strong of curason at the gobierno new cu is go sit for implementa one programma daily paper y permanente of limpieza of we costa norte (un programma for prisoneronan of kia morning trempan can ehempel), because the sushedad cu sea is trece einan is one berguenza big y is year in year afor is so. tanto be worth for work soul y cuerpo for promove aruba, if aruba have beachnan cu is dirt so. aruba not can go sit keep till hour world all owing to learn for not throw dirt in sea atlantico, aruba have to cuminsa cu aruba self! y parents as educa we yiunan cu “unico caminda cu is throw dirt is in sweep sushi”. come across


 ::MonkeyWaa::

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_4.jpg)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 11:57:47 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!!

A Labour Day BBQ is planned at my brother's home this afternoon.  Our steaks are marinating in teriyaki sauce at this very moment.  My contribution is my famous Safeway carrot cake.  My 33 year old nephew has yet to clue in that his aunt does not whip up these cakes from scratch just prior to a special occassion.  With a smile on my face ... I silently take the credit while nudging hubby to keep quiet.

  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Have a good day all!!

::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
http://www.thedailymoron.com/criminals/september-6-2009-joran-van-der-sloot/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SlootMoron.jpg)

No argument from me   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 12:40:09 PM
http://www.thedailymoron.com/criminals/september-6-2009-joran-van-der-sloot/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SlootMoron.jpg)

No argument from me   ::MonkeyCool::

Me either Klaas!  Thanks for sharing!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 07, 2009, 12:57:22 PM
 ::MonkeyCool:: 

Klaas, no argument from me, either!   

Happy Labor Day to all.  Janet, have a good time and a piece of that carrot cake for me....I will be doing odds and ends today ... packing for a trip to the shore tomorrow until next Sunday.  Will be in withdrawal with no internet.....   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 07, 2009, 12:58:18 PM
http://www.thedailymoron.com/criminals/september-6-2009-joran-van-der-sloot/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SlootMoron.jpg)

No argument from me   ::MonkeyCool::
Me Either Klaas! Thank You Moron Detector!  ::MonkeyGavel:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2009, 01:02:17 PM
http://www.thedailymoron.com/criminals/september-6-2009-joran-van-der-sloot/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SlootMoron.jpg)

No argument from me   ::MonkeyCool::


 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045  ITA.  "Moron" is putting it politely...JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 07, 2009, 01:14:40 PM
http://www.thedailymoron.com/criminals/september-6-2009-joran-van-der-sloot/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SlootMoron.jpg)

No argument from me   ::MonkeyCool::


 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045  ITA.  "Moron" is putting it politely...JMHO

Agree Muffy.  "Moron" almost sounds like a lot of the Monkeys right here.   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 07, 2009, 01:15:34 PM
2NJ enjoy your trip.  Everyone have a happy day.  I have "things" I need to do and will catch up with "yall" later.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 01:45:59 PM
::MonkeyCool:: 

Klaas, no argument from me, either!   

Happy Labor Day to all.  Janet, have a good time and a piece of that carrot cake for me....I will be doing odds and ends today ... packing for a trip to the shore tomorrow until next Sunday.  Will be in withdrawal with no internet.....   ::MonkeyWaa::

Have a great week 2NJ!!  The break from the internet is not a bad thing.  I will purchase another Safeway carrot cake and the Natalee Holloway Monkeys will celebrate your return to the cage.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
10:45 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on September 07, 2009, 05:07:30 PM
Loved the moron report. Exactly what is the status of that lawsuit ?
Last I read or whatever was that the Kalpoes had not turned over the discovery docs and had many legal reasons for not being able to do so.
How long can this go on ?
I'll be checking back, not today. I used to be able to get info from BFN, are they even still around ? 
My personal opinion is that to expose Joran would expose the corrupt Aruba and that's what this was all about from the get go. Four years and counting and the opinion is the same as the opinion I had in the first few weeks of the intense media coverage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 07:41:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62086.php

Google translation:

Protest against Chávez in Aruba

September 7, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-aruba--protest-anti-chav.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - At Simon Bolivar Plaza last Friday was a big protest demonstration held by Venezuelans living on Aruba. They protested against the Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, armed with signs bearing slogans like "Chavez communist, lives as capitalist ',' Venezuela urges peace and freedom" and "We have the right to decide". At noon the exact audience sang all the Venezuelan national anthem. The event is part of a social network via Facebook concerted action, on the same day in many countries as possible against the controversial Venezuelan president protested. The organizers say it all had to do with what they 'insolence, hypocrisy and abuse "of Hugo Chávez called.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 07:44:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62085.php

Google translation:

Central Bank: Economy stagnates further

September 7, 2009, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Revenues from sales tax bbo in the first half year decreased by 8.2 percent over last year. This decline indicates a continuing verlsechtering of the economy, reports the Central Bank of Aruba.

In contrast to the decline of the BBO-income revenue generated from tourism, after five months of decline, rose by 7.5 percent in June. This is the overall drop in tourism revenues in the first six months limited to 7.3 percent. Despite declines, the number of cruise passengers in the first half of this year slightly by 5.6 percent.

The money supply grew in June by an increase in net domestic assets by 20.7 million florin. The net foreign assets decreased contrast. In the first six months of this year increased money supply by a total of 75 million florin.

The consumer price index (CPI) shows a deflation seen from 3 percent. The CPI shows the price trends of goods and services purchased by households for consumption.

Seven months since the general price level to fall, said the Central Bank.

In the same period last year there was a question of inflation of over 9 percent. The fall in prices in June was largely due to lower electricity tariffs and petrol prices. These are, again despite continuing increases in energy prices this year, still below the price level of 2008.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 07:57:54 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11759/5/

Papiamentu translation:

delfin dead owing to spula at ground

monday, 07 september 2009 - 02:34 ammf owing to recibi one melding 7or y half of morning on saturday, september 5, 2009,di turtugaruba cu have one delfin dead on beach behind light house. owing to resulta of is one delfin “stenella coerulealba “ (striped dolphin) cu is form part of one are cu is transita in we water regularly y is ‘bowride’ cu botonan local. during month of august ammf owing to recibi various ‘sightings’ of the are of delfin here hasiendo acrobasia much high on water. click read more for more informacion y imagen...... the striped dolphin is the delfin cu parent acrobacia spectacular of all especie, among another ‘somersaults’, ‘tailspins’, y ‘ porpoising upside down’(nan can leave for of water y diving bek cabes abao). they can stay 10 minuut largo bao water without breathe y is diving till one profundidad of 225 m. only in atlantico y mediteraneo they're ‘bowride’ ( acerca y swim cu botonan).

the delfin dead cu is measure 180cm, owing to spula at ground as on september 4 or 5, because; cu according datos of turtugaruba on sep 3 the not tawata on the beach. one buraco rondo at near among his dorsal end y tail is indica cu probably the will owing to wordo throw for one speargun y owing to hoga at consequencia of that. his estado of decomposicion is indica one dead of at least 3 day happen. the have various sla at his curpa y finnan y his kaak of upstairs is parcialmente break cu posiblemente is consequencia of olanan cu owing to tire contra baranca.

owing to base of his ubicacion, the can owing to drief for of corsow for aruba, but not have proof for can conclui cu seguridad if the delfin owing to wordo kill cu speargun at corsow or here at aruba self, because; cu the lugar where the la wordo find is popular for localnan cu is spearfish (reconfirma on the morning of sep 5 cu tawata have person is spearfish einan). besides,como cu ammf have testimonio of presencia of trawlers of pesca japones y venezolano in water among aruba y corsow do not descarta the posibilidad cu the delfin here can owing to die also owing to cause of bycatch. according we leynan at aruba, is illegal for kill y captura delfin y also for molestia they in they period biologico of stress, for example during they ciclo of give luz, recuperacion or procreacion. ammf is make one apelacion at people of aruba for can please give good ehempel at world y colabora at conservacion of we delfinnan. bibo they're be worth more for aruba cu dead.

for esunnan cu not know still,segun study y compilacion of datos in ultimo 12 year (pa ammf), have 2 especie ( spotted dolphin y roughtoothed dolphin) cu owing to scohe aruba because; refugio contra danger (e.o. shark y orca) hour of recupera y give luz, that is give aruba one valor ecologico much high y is one previlegio of naturaleza unique y cu much country is anhela of can have the suerte of one darling so! as respeta character y not corre cu delfinan here for of we island door of kill y molestianan. the delfinnan here merece of is one proud nacional of we character.

the deflin owing to spula at ground on one beach cu is tapa cu one manta of desperdicio of plastic for of comienso till end. ammf is make one apelacion strong of curason at the gobierno new cu is go sit for implementa one programma daily paper y permanente of limpieza of we costa norte (un programma for prisoneronan of kia morning trempan can ehempel), because the sushedad cu sea is trece einan is one berguenza big y is year in year afor is so. tanto be worth for work soul y cuerpo for promove aruba, if aruba have beachnan cu is dirt so. aruba not can go sit keep till hour world all owing to learn for not throw dirt in sea atlantico, aruba have to cuminsa cu aruba self! y parents as educa we yiunan cu “unico caminda cu is throw dirt is in sweep sushi”. come across


 ::MonkeyWaa::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_4.jpg)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09072009_24ora_3.jpg)

ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62082.php

Google translation:

Dead dolphin washed ashore

September 7, 2009, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/07-aruba-dode-dolfijn-aange.gif)

The 1.80 meters high carcass of the dead dolphin behind the lighthouse. Aruba Marine Mammal Foundation also made mention of a large quantity of plastic and other debris on the beach.

ORANGE CITY - On the beach at West Point, behind the lighthouse, is a dead dolphin washed ashore. It is the kind Stenella coeruleoalba striped dolphin either. This dolphin is known for spectacular jumps and the high and the fact that they often swim in schools with boats.

According Aruba Marine Mammal Foundation (AMMF), members of Turtugaruba Saturday reported the dead mammal. According Turtugaruba the animal would not be washed earlier than Friday. However, for the dolphin, given the state of decomposition, more than three days was dead. The animal had a wound on his tail in the form of a round hole, this indicates most probably injured by a spear fisherman. Also, the jaw of the dolphin were partially broken and several other injuries. These injuries are likely to arise because the waves against the rocks on the carcass have beaten.

Although the beach where the adult dolphin was washed known as a place where harpoon fishing, suspected that the animals are not victims of a spear fisherman has become but that the dolphin has been driven from Curaçao to Aruba. There is also the possibility that the animal accidentally fished up by a Japanese trawler or Venezuelan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 08:26:59 PM
Loved the moron report. Exactly what is the status of that lawsuit ?
Last I read or whatever was that the Kalpoes had not turned over the discovery docs and had many legal reasons for not being able to do so.
How long can this go on ?
I'll be checking back, not today. I used to be able to get info from BFN, are they even still around ? 
My personal opinion is that to expose Joran would expose the corrupt Aruba and that's what this was all about from the get go. Four years and counting and the opinion is the same as the opinion I had in the first few weeks of the intense media coverage.

Hi Kat_Gram! 

Klaas does a really good job of keeping us up to date on rulings or other activities in the lawsuit.  There was a positive ruling in favor of Jamie Skeeters estate, and IIRC the last thing we saw was where Kay Skeeters had asked for reimbursement of attorney's fees.  Someone else may be able to recall more than I can at the moment.  I've had a very busy day and am probably not thinking my best right now, lol. 

As far as I know BFN is still around.  I'll be good, and leave it at that.   ::MonkeyDevil2:: 

Karma is the monkey on Joran's back, along with all the others responsible for the evil that took Natalee away from her family and a promising future.

Justice is coming...one way or another.   ::MonkeyCool::

JMO




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 08:49:24 PM
Loved the moron report. Exactly what is the status of that lawsuit ?
Last I read or whatever was that the Kalpoes had not turned over the discovery docs and had many legal reasons for not being able to do so.
How long can this go on ?
I'll be checking back, not today. I used to be able to get info from BFN, are they even still around ? 
My personal opinion is that to expose Joran would expose the corrupt Aruba and that's what this was all about from the get go. Four years and counting and the opinion is the same as the opinion I had in the first few weeks of the intense media coverage.

Hi Kat ... my fellow Canuck.

::MonkeyBike::

It has been a while ....

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeHolloway652551.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 10:13:27 PM
Loved the moron report. Exactly what is the status of that lawsuit ?
Last I read or whatever was that the Kalpoes had not turned over the discovery docs and had many legal reasons for not being able to do so.
How long can this go on ?
I'll be checking back, not today. I used to be able to get info from BFN, are they even still around ? 
My personal opinion is that to expose Joran would expose the corrupt Aruba and that's what this was all about from the get go. Four years and counting and the opinion is the same as the opinion I had in the first few weeks of the intense media coverage.

Kat

You were very perceptive from the getgo.

I believe that holding Joran van der Sloot as well as Deepak and Satish Kalpoe accountable at this point in time for their involvement in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 will never happen.  The implications would be too far reaching.  Accountability for Joran and the Kalpoes would reveal the participation of the sons of the elite ... Paulus van der Sloot ... those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved in the coverup as well as ... the judiciary whose rulings released all suspects from detention.  Then there is the exposure of Aruba's dirty little secrets involving the underground economy of Aruba encompassing drugs ... alcohol ... gambling ... sex trade ... money laudnering ...

I contend that Natalee Holloway's death was the result of wrongdoing but ... I do not believe it was intentional.  The plan to drug this pretty tourist ... sexually assault her person and ... leave her on the beach ... went terribly wrong.

However ... if Paulus van der Sloot had not entered the picture and started the coverup ball rolling ... I believe Aruba would have deemed it advantageous to hold underage Joran and his two friends accountable rather than deal with the likes of a determined mother named Beth Holloway ... a determined mother who pledged not to be silenced until answers were forthcoming in regards to the disappearance of her precious daughter.

IMO

Janet

+++++++


A REMINDER


A VOICE THAT WILL NOT BE SILENCED

BETH HOLLOWAY

'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


On the Record w / Greta - August 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  I met him in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - September 15, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They know—they have the answers there on the island.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - September 15, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  I think it’s just the side that, you know, I—I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go, and there’s nothing—I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


CNN - September 5, 2005

For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/04/aruba.missing.teen/index.html


'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


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Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
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Papiamentu translation:

while eddie briesen is tell aruba his turism do not in crisis otmar oduber cu proof in hand owing to show will contrario

minister of turism eddie briesen is follow insisti cu aruba do not in crisis, the is tell this after of compara aruba cu cancun caminda cu have to owing to close hotelnan debi at the virus of swine flu. the is tell cu the occupancy rate keto bay is positive y cu here yonder some person can owing to lose work, but cu not can tell cu we turism is in crisis.

otmar oduber of trip owing to reacciona on the ponencia here y owing to tell cu hour look at cifra as esun of aaa nv cu is show cu in the lunanan of january for june have one caida of casi 10% in the overall of arrival y exit of avionnan. if see the ultimo relato mensual of banco central of half 2009, cu is esun of more recien, is talk of one caida of tourism receipts of 10.4%, averahe of hotelnan owing to descend cu 3.3% till at 68.2% of ocupacion, because; also the turistanan crucero cu owing to cay cu 13.3%.

fuera of esey, oduber owing to menciona cu hyatt (casino) owing to less 15 person for of work week happen, hotelnan one behind another is bezig is lay off personanan y is perdiendo work.

in the cuadro here also otmar oduber owing to show cu according cifranan of ahata 70% of the personanan cu is wordo take at hotel is via on call, subcontractor or uitzendbureau caminda cu they not have one seguridad of entrance end of month.

“pa do you tell simplemente y facilmente cu do you do not believe cu we is in crisis, but is tell also cu factornan internacional owing to influencia we turism one some, the hour i am ask about my self y can is minister can hustifica cu one klm is bay for of aruba but is arise his cantidad of vuelonan at corsow y boneiro; con can is possible cu one american airlines owing to cancela 8 vuelo without cu minister briesen was at height, without cu one day past owing to talk cu peter dolara cu is the director encarga cu the region aki; con can is possible cu one carnival cruise lines owing to cancela one cruiseship cu was bring more of 220 thousand passenger for aruba cu one participacion in do you economia of more of 40 miyon guilder for year? could you stay throw the culpa cada times on factornan internacional, but i am believe cu the is unpercepcion much left because hour do you see one averahe of 10% is cay in all level of turism y hendenan is perdiendo trabou”.

otmar is follow splica cu aruba owing to stay behind in part of mercadeo, in part of tecnnologia y more cu all gobierno of the ultimo 8 añanan owing to concentra on cantidad lubidando on the part of calidad. here past owing to menciona the rapport of sam cole cu the own gobierno owing to let work cu is tell cu have to wing for of the idea of hotelnan big y bay in direccion of boutique hotels, but owing to pesar of this the discusion is stay if ritz carlton is come cu 200-300 camber, if is place 2 hotel at san nicolas of 300-400 camber y apart from eseynan have more of 1700 camber cu already end owing to wordo otorga at permission as in form of expansion or hotelnan new at aruba, for not menciona self the cantidad of condominionan. esey is the problem big cu aruba is pasando inside.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
Wonder if they'll have a big turn out for this....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 08, 2009, 12:43:13 AM
Wonder if they'll have a big turn out for this....  ::MonkeyWink::

I won't be there...I'm leaving on holiday at the NJ shore...it's the best. 

 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyWeight::

See you next week. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 12:59:22 AM
Wonder if they'll have a big turn out for this....  ::MonkeyWink::

I won't be there...I'm leaving on holiday at the NJ shore...it's the best. 

 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyWeight::

See you next week. 

I won't be there either!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTease::

Wishing you safe travels and a wonderful time!  You deserve it!   ::MonkeyCheer3::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 01:24:15 AM
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Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on September 08, 2009, 06:20:28 AM
Wonder if they'll have a big turn out for this....  ::MonkeyWink::

I won't be there...I'm leaving on holiday at the NJ shore...it's the best. 

 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyWeight::

See you next week. 

Have a wonderful holiday!  ::cartwheel::


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Post by: jen3560 on September 08, 2009, 08:49:59 AM
TxMom - thank you for that article and the pics on the dolphin and debris.

It's good to finally know just where on that rock things will wash ashore - if not weighted or otherwise contained.

Also interesting to note the timeline between the death of the dolphin, and when it came ashore was 3 days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 08, 2009, 08:50:38 AM
2NJ - Have a wonderful vacation!


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Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 05:55:59 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62128.php

Google translation:

Concerns about dismantling and Dutch politics

September 8, 2009, 14:13 (GMT -04:00)

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The erehaag of the Royal Navy just before the arrival of Governor Fredis Refunjol who also later opened the parliamentary year.

ORANGE CITY - At the opening of the new parliamentary year, the Government expressed its concerns about the impact of the dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles and "a new political reality" in the Netherlands.

For ten hours this morning was governor Fredis Refunjol as usual every year, waiting through a erehaag of the Royal Navy and a brass band. Inside, the parliamentarians, party leaders and guests including the President of the Chamber of Commerce and employers organization Atia in the Council Chamber to wait. The grandstands were among more students of Colegio EPI and their escorts. She had a look, not so much in the kitchen of politics, but how to Aruba protocol is conducted.

The room itself had to change not only all seats occupied, were also leaders of various parties brotherly side. Sat-Sun lijsttrekker AVP-leader Mike Eman next MEP Thijs and Mike Ady de Meza (AVP) alongside Robert Maduro (MEP). The outgoing MP Marlon Werleman (MEP) and Otmar Oduber (AVP) have quarreled as playful as it seemed, because of the good old days. Dirk Dumfries (MEP) visibly enjoyed his last parliamentary opening.

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Refunjol Governor said in the speech which opened the new parliamentary year, the relationship with the Netherlands 'live' state. "Several times been informed that Aruba Netherlands for a good relationship with the Netherlands and that there is a need to work constructively to remove any obstacles to a good relationship in the way." The government reiterates to foster closer ties in the Kingdom "based on mutual respect and integrity of its territory as in Article 38 to Article 3 of the Statute is".

The speech was also much attention to the global crisis where the government according to Aruba not much has suffered in comparison with other countries. She expects this year that the hotels continue to do it as good as last years and especially the cruise tourism 4 to 5 percent increase over 2008.

In a first response late President Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce that in the above speech was paid to what the government has already done the past four years. "There has not looked into the future. But fear not understand the elections to the door. "Daal Stephen, president of employers' organization ATIA is milder in its opinion. He agrees with the government that tourism is a major part of the blow of the economic crisis can absorb. "I found the suave speech."


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Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62127.php

Google translation:

"Working on scenario without refinery '

September 8, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Despite the positive noises about the Aruban economy, the government sees for the future of the refinery in San Nicolas anxiety. In opening speech of the parliamentary year, the governor that the "current situation in the world of oil there that we must work leads to a scenario without an Aruba refinery."

The government argues, like previous years, moreover, to diversify the economy to reduce reliance on tourism. In it she sees an important role for port calls and the relocation of the container port for a 'imperative necessity'. Other plans for new economic developments are not mentioned.

On its own economic and financial policies said the government continued to pursue consolidation and a balanced budget. The points from the National Commission on Public Finance are still the principles of the policy. Despite the indexation of wages last year forced officials after one weeks long strike of the officials, the staff did not increase, said the government now. The number of officials in 2008 also declined, but has not said how many. However, the government announced that the international reserves "dramatically increased by 1.5 billion florin.

Although the first paragraph of the opening speech the government has indicated that the impact of global recession on the Aruban economy is dire, then later in the speech indicated that the recession has surely affected the activity. This is then the reason that the government revenue now remain. In order to stimulate the economy, the government says, to invest in other funds or money Plant from the proceeds of the Plant Hotel. The Government makes clear that she still stands behind the BBO and it reminds everyone that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) the introduction of the VAT 'applauding'.

Attention is also the major financial problems at MWV but like the last four years, no structural solutions. The government also cites the pension issue to which she zooms in on the growing 'expensive for the government and priceless "public service pension. "Government and unions have come to a solution" is the motto. The government does indicate that the premium due in part to the SVB has met at least if the solvency of the insurance bank to "guarantee".
Other points of emphasis the government is fighting crime with the emphasis on prevention by an active youth. Also education is important and it is working for the government to seek funds from the European Union to the National Education Plan, which covers over ten years, to be funded.

Finally, the governor this morning in an orderly conduct of the elections on September 25. "Let one living example of a democracy in which every one has the opportunity to proclaim his views. Allow discussion and difference in political views divide us and our family bond and unity of our people to break. "


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Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62126.php

Google translation:

Icy relationship with the Netherlands

September 8, 2009, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

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V.l.n.r. Audrey Lacle entrepreneur, MPA leader and MEP Monica Kock-van Poppel Zulay MP-Marquez show their hats to the Board Office during the official opening of the parliamentary year 2009-2010 by the Governor in the States. Like on Budget Day in the Netherlands wear traditionally female members of the States and invited guests on the day a beautiful hat.

ORANGE CITY - The relationship with the Netherlands plays a major role during the upcoming elections. At this moment the icy relationship called. All parties agree that Aruba should remain within the Kingdom and the need to improve mutual understanding. The positions of the different parties vary considerably. Jos de Roo of the Worldwide interviewed various politicians on this issue.

Prime Minister Nel Oduber (MEP) considers that the Netherlands does not respect autonomy of Aruba and asks for more understanding. "Long polarize us not, in any form whatsoever. We have let our opinion. Aruba is always ready to bring water into wine and on the basis of Article 38 together with mutual respect to access and find. That does not mean that we all must accept, even regarding the implementation of the final declaration ", said Oduber. Although Aruba nothing to do with the final declaration has Oduber expected that the Netherlands will hold a line. "I expect the Netherlands finished Curacao, St. Maarten and the rest, they come to Aruba." Oduber wants the people of Curaçao and St. Maarten for understanding the status of Aruba and that their debt is quite different of Aruba. "We help you, we support you, but we will not be affected by your new position within the Kingdom."

Mike Eman (AVP) attributed the cause of the poor relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba to the attitude of the president. Every time the government addressed by the Netherlands clearly agreements, the government does not listen, says Eman. This had led him to the bad relationship. Eman Oduber and his criticism of immature comments: "No explanation is given, but there is polarized response to the concerns of the Netherlands." He suggests that if there is a proper way would be governed, from Aruba Netherlands can expect their will contribute constructively to the future of Aruba. Eman believes that the discussion of the Common Court of Justice by the Government is used as blackmail to not contribute to the recognition of the separate status of Curaçao and St. Maarten and the new layout of the islands. "If you're not with each other."

The RED is a strong supporter of the deepening of relations within the Kingdom and the white party advocates a constructive dialogue. Lampe: "Together we form one Kingdom, the legal liability is a state of the positive aspects. We would like to give more substance. "Lampe will also establish a financial committee. He indicates that if the future government of Aruba continues on the same footing, it all goes wrong. "The governments of the European Union are controlled by Brussels, control is not a dirty word," said Lampe.

Andin Bikker (PDR) states that the relationship must be restored so that the partners have mutual respect for each other. Bikker: "Under the current government is the relationship to a needlessly time low. We must return to the table and tighten the ties. "According to Bikker is too much a show designed for local consumption, while serious cases are quite out of hand are gone. He is referring to the areas of law, law enforcement and the soundness of governance. "With this law, the Kingdom is stopped, which was not well received by the current government. But the fact is that it is not in Aruba regarding the soundness of governance ", says Bikker.

Also Monica Kock (MPA) believes that the parties should sit around the table. There is a need for a good relationship with the Netherlands. Kock compares it to marriage where it may not buttering. Where Kock disagree is the reaction from the Netherlands to the resistance that Aruba has given regarding the Act of the court. "It is immediately gebuikt Article 43 and the law eventually imposed compulsively."


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Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62125.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Government Mediator Rasmijn unexpectedly deceased

September 8, 2009, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Jerry Rasmijn (57) is deceased yesterday unexpectedly of a heart attack. Rasmijn is a known trade unionist. He was president from 1998 to 2001 of the federal officials Seppa. Then he became a mediator of the government and in that capacity in many conflicts, such as the great strike of civil servants last year, occurred. Rasmijn was last night rushed to hospital where doctors tried unsuccessfully to resuscitate him. He leaves a wife and son behind.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 06:22:46 PM
THE CALL THAT EVERY PARENT FEARS

One Worman's courage.  One Mother's Faith.  A Journey You Will Never Forget.


What occurred during the most horrific event imaginable has to be told because I represent every parent and Natalee represents every young adult.  No one else should ever live this nightmare.  If the words that follow help another Person stay safer or be able to endure such tragedy, then this book will have been well worth the writing.

        Beth Holloway



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Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 07:29:43 PM


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62121.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Journalists need to hunt less emotion '

September 8, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.

by Sharina Henriquez

Media - "even the NRC Handelsblad '- have, according to the professor only have interest in the human interest side of criminal. Additionally, when the victim and his emotions much attention in the reports, so the reader gets one-sided view. "This hunt emotions causes the feelings of citizens is strengthened", says De Jong. The gap between the civil and criminal desired by the judge imposed, it would only increase. With the danger that this fact affects the amount of those penalties, said the professor.

The development of "back to square one," says De Jong. The time of blood revenge when the victims themselves could take law into their own hands. It is no coincidence, says the professor, that at one time reprisal in the hands of the government came. On the basis of which eventually developed a legal system where the position of the victim is limited.

But now the media ensures that victims will receive back a prominent role in criminal cases and that all suspects are convicted before the camera. "While we know that emotions are not the best adviser," says De Jong.

Private Speurders

The professor calls this a "dubious mechanism", especially since the journalistic "amateur investigators" are believed by the public rather than professional people the police and judiciary. These private investigators are also emerging, he says, especially now that success is achieved as in the case of Peter R. de Vries broadcast about the Holloway case. This with all its consequences. "He has already bitten a terrier it fixed, but as far as I can see, he takes it not so close to the truth." As an example, the professor of the famous broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot on hidden cameras on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway says. "Joran talked about someone who had helped him in the disappearance. But that person was not currently on the island and knew De Vries. It does not deter him to broadcast it anyway. He then gave the recordings to police and justice in the sense of who have not done well and this could benefit them. But that's just not honest. "

To this kind of private investigators is a research, says De Jong, entitled "The people's detective. This television programs about crime and detection under the microscope. There is a distinction made between two such programs. Programs where the creators are working with judicial and police as the Dutch program Verzocht Detection and where, according to professor little danger in that. Are also examined television programs like those of Peter R. De Vries De Jong believes that precisely every effort to remain independent from the authorities. "He wants as a private detective to address certain issues and has been extremely selective. If you look what matters, then everything that arouse emotion. High-profile cases: murder, death, rape. "

Pure commercially De Jong says it is a success, but not criminal. "The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules.
"The professor mentions another example, the Deventer murder case. In it MediaMan Gallup that the person was convicted for the murder, was innocent and be publicly another person as the perpetrator. "That on the basis of inadequate information. The dog was also convicted of libel herein. But the life of the handyman who had accused the Dog is upside down. "

De Jong says it unfortunate as widespread in the footsteps of Peter R. de Vries private investigators to get up. "You see it even in a different context. At sites where such real or not pedophiles appear with name and address. It looks like the medieval witch hunt. "

Increased penalties

What an influence the media to citizens on crime and criminal justice, according to a study done in 2006 in the Netherlands. Two groups of citizens could impose sanctions in a case, one group on the basis of newspaper reports and the other could make the criminal file was complete with all details. This latter group, the investigation showed, was almost the same punishment as the court would have imposed. The other group met many times to long sentences, says De Jong. Still, the sentences of both groups are higher than that of the court. "That was because they only had the file and were not confronted with the witnesses, as in a real meeting place." When the researchers did, showed that citizens are not punished much differently than the court, says the professor.

The media must be more to the "business events" will focus. The professor is in this context also unfortunate that journalists are increasingly specialized court. This beat the media often only large, high-profile lawsuits. Readers will be less to read about little things right and "no overall view of justice," says De Jong.

The professor takes to the Public Ministry and judiciary itself must do more to bridge the gap between citizens and the criminal limit. A good example is the website where Rechtspraak.nl statements to be published immediately. Or so journalists start giving less attention to emotions, doubts De Jong. "But in any case, the motivations of the sentence easily available. And the same goes for politicians today seem to give only comment on what the newspaper.


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Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 07:41:35 PM


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62121.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Journalists need to hunt less emotion '

September 8, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.

by Sharina Henriquez

Media - "even the NRC Handelsblad '- have, according to the professor only have interest in the human interest side of criminal. Additionally, when the victim and his emotions much attention in the reports, so the reader gets one-sided view. "This hunt emotions causes the feelings of citizens is strengthened", says De Jong. The gap between the civil and criminal desired by the judge imposed, it would only increase. With the danger that this fact affects the amount of those penalties, said the professor.

The development of "back to square one," says De Jong. The time of blood revenge when the victims themselves could take law into their own hands. It is no coincidence, says the professor, that at one time reprisal in the hands of the government came. On the basis of which eventually developed a legal system where the position of the victim is limited.

But now the media ensures that victims will receive back a prominent role in criminal cases and that all suspects are convicted before the camera. "While we know that emotions are not the best adviser," says De Jong.

Private Speurders

The professor calls this a "dubious mechanism", especially since the journalistic "amateur investigators" are believed by the public rather than professional people the police and judiciary. These private investigators are also emerging, he says, especially now that success is achieved as in the case of Peter R. de Vries broadcast about the Holloway case. This with all its consequences. "He has already bitten a terrier it fixed, but as far as I can see, he takes it not so close to the truth." As an example, the professor of the famous broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot on hidden cameras on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway says. "Joran talked about someone who had helped him in the disappearance. But that person was not currently on the island and knew De Vries. It does not deter him to broadcast it anyway. He then gave the recordings to police and justice in the sense of who have not done well and this could benefit them. But that's just not honest. "

To this kind of private investigators is a research, says De Jong, entitled "The people's detective. This television programs about crime and detection under the microscope. There is a distinction made between two such programs. Programs where the creators are working with judicial and police as the Dutch program Verzocht Detection and where, according to professor little danger in that. Are also examined television programs like those of Peter R. De Vries De Jong believes that precisely every effort to remain independent from the authorities. "He wants as a private detective to address certain issues and has been extremely selective. If you look what matters, then everything that arouse emotion. High-profile cases: murder, death, rape. "

Pure commercially De Jong says it is a success, but not criminal. "The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules.
"The professor mentions another example, the Deventer murder case. In it MediaMan Gallup that the person was convicted for the murder, was innocent and be publicly another person as the perpetrator. "That on the basis of inadequate information. The dog was also convicted of libel herein. But the life of the handyman who had accused the Dog is upside down. "

De Jong says it unfortunate as widespread in the footsteps of Peter R. de Vries private investigators to get up. "You see it even in a different context. At sites where such real or not pedophiles appear with name and address. It looks like the medieval witch hunt. "

Increased penalties

What an influence the media to citizens on crime and criminal justice, according to a study done in 2006 in the Netherlands. Two groups of citizens could impose sanctions in a case, one group on the basis of newspaper reports and the other could make the criminal file was complete with all details. This latter group, the investigation showed, was almost the same punishment as the court would have imposed. The other group met many times to long sentences, says De Jong. Still, the sentences of both groups are higher than that of the court. "That was because they only had the file and were not confronted with the witnesses, as in a real meeting place." When the researchers did, showed that citizens are not punished much differently than the court, says the professor.

The media must be more to the "business events" will focus. The professor is in this context also unfortunate that journalists are increasingly specialized court. This beat the media often only large, high-profile lawsuits. Readers will be less to read about little things right and "no overall view of justice," says De Jong.

The professor takes to the Public Ministry and judiciary itself must do more to bridge the gap between citizens and the criminal limit. A good example is the website where Rechtspraak.nl statements to be published immediately. Or so journalists start giving less attention to emotions, doubts De Jong. "But in any case, the motivations of the sentence easily available. And the same goes for politicians today seem to give only comment on what the newspaper.

What I would say to Professor De Jong in regards to his comments about Peter DeVries is this...it's PATHETIC that the FACTS in the Natalee Holloway case were covered up from the getgo BY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE who may include the POLICE AND JUDICIARY.  The investigation of a case of a missing 18 year old American citizen that disappeared while a tourist on Aruba should have NEVER been under the control of a close family friend of one of the three to be last seen with her.  The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has publicly stated himself that the case was hampered by that involvement!  The investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway should have NEVER involved members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, whose main objective is to promote and protect their precious tourism industry AT ALL COSTS.  IF this missing and presumed deceased American citizen had not had parents, other family members, and many others who cared enough to be on Aruba in the early days of the investigation and SEE FOR THEMSELVES the INAPPROPRIATE activities in the investigation it may very well have been swept under the rug like others before.  But it will not be Professor De Jong! 

You claim that Peter DeVries handling of the information he obtained in his undercover investigation was not "honest"?  How do YOU know that the person that Joran Vandersloot called to help him get rid of (what he only PRESUMED to be) a body was the name given in the hidden camera confession?  How do YOU know the person that helped Joran was not on the island?  Is Joran Vandersloot known for his honesty?  You may want to view those hidden camera confessions again Professor De Jong.  Listen to everything Joran Vandersloot says again very closely.  Could it possibly be Professor De Jong that Joran Vandersloot lied about the name of his helper?  Could Joran Vandersloot have possibly phoned HOME for help from the one person he KNEW would help him if for no other reason than to COVER HIS OWN ASS?  Could it be the same person who advised the three prime suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway that WHEN THERE IS NO BODY, THERE IS NO CRIME?  The same person who was allowed to sabotage the investigation even while being a SUSPECT in the investigation?

It is PATHETIC that this crime is to this day unresolved, and the ONLY answers that make any sense that have been provided for her family have come from an Investigative Crime Journalist, and NOT the police or any other law enforcement officials whose JOB it is to FIND those answers, provide them to her family and PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE! 

I believe that quite possibly THEY DID KNOW from the very early days and it was covered up!  If not, why was Natalee Holloway's mother, and others asked repeatedly about any history of seizures? 

Quote
"The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules."

My thoughts on that Professor De Jong are that once any citizen chooses to take away another's God given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...they revoke any right to privacy in regards to that crime against mankind!

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 08, 2009, 09:19:14 PM
O/T

Texasmom? I saw your post in my Halloween avi thread. Thought I'd make a delivery since Nat's thread isn't busy. Here you go!

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Can and BlueMoon? You've got one too, there. The link's in my signature line if anyone should want one.  I'm pleased to do it! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2009, 09:21:33 PM
O/T

Texasmom? I saw your post in my Halloween avi thread. Thought I'd make a delivery since Nat's thread isn't busy. Here you go!

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Can? You've got one too, there. The link's in my signature line if anyone should want one.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 08, 2009, 11:08:23 PM


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62121.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Journalists need to hunt less emotion '

September 8, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.

by Sharina Henriquez

Media - "even the NRC Handelsblad '- have, according to the professor only have interest in the human interest side of criminal. Additionally, when the victim and his emotions much attention in the reports, so the reader gets one-sided view. "This hunt emotions causes the feelings of citizens is strengthened", says De Jong. The gap between the civil and criminal desired by the judge imposed, it would only increase. With the danger that this fact affects the amount of those penalties, said the professor.

The development of "back to square one," says De Jong. The time of blood revenge when the victims themselves could take law into their own hands. It is no coincidence, says the professor, that at one time reprisal in the hands of the government came. On the basis of which eventually developed a legal system where the position of the victim is limited.

But now the media ensures that victims will receive back a prominent role in criminal cases and that all suspects are convicted before the camera. "While we know that emotions are not the best adviser," says De Jong.

Private Speurders

The professor calls this a "dubious mechanism", especially since the journalistic "amateur investigators" are believed by the public rather than professional people the police and judiciary. These private investigators are also emerging, he says, especially now that success is achieved as in the case of Peter R. de Vries broadcast about the Holloway case. This with all its consequences. "He has already bitten a terrier it fixed, but as far as I can see, he takes it not so close to the truth." As an example, the professor of the famous broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot on hidden cameras on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway says. "Joran talked about someone who had helped him in the disappearance. But that person was not currently on the island and knew De Vries. It does not deter him to broadcast it anyway. He then gave the recordings to police and justice in the sense of who have not done well and this could benefit them. But that's just not honest. "

To this kind of private investigators is a research, says De Jong, entitled "The people's detective. This television programs about crime and detection under the microscope. There is a distinction made between two such programs. Programs where the creators are working with judicial and police as the Dutch program Verzocht Detection and where, according to professor little danger in that. Are also examined television programs like those of Peter R. De Vries De Jong believes that precisely every effort to remain independent from the authorities. "He wants as a private detective to address certain issues and has been extremely selective. If you look what matters, then everything that arouse emotion. High-profile cases: murder, death, rape. "

Pure commercially De Jong says it is a success, but not criminal. "The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules.
"The professor mentions another example, the Deventer murder case. In it MediaMan Gallup that the person was convicted for the murder, was innocent and be publicly another person as the perpetrator. "That on the basis of inadequate information. The dog was also convicted of libel herein. But the life of the handyman who had accused the Dog is upside down. "

De Jong says it unfortunate as widespread in the footsteps of Peter R. de Vries private investigators to get up. "You see it even in a different context. At sites where such real or not pedophiles appear with name and address. It looks like the medieval witch hunt. "

Increased penalties

What an influence the media to citizens on crime and criminal justice, according to a study done in 2006 in the Netherlands. Two groups of citizens could impose sanctions in a case, one group on the basis of newspaper reports and the other could make the criminal file was complete with all details. This latter group, the investigation showed, was almost the same punishment as the court would have imposed. The other group met many times to long sentences, says De Jong. Still, the sentences of both groups are higher than that of the court. "That was because they only had the file and were not confronted with the witnesses, as in a real meeting place." When the researchers did, showed that citizens are not punished much differently than the court, says the professor.

The media must be more to the "business events" will focus. The professor is in this context also unfortunate that journalists are increasingly specialized court. This beat the media often only large, high-profile lawsuits. Readers will be less to read about little things right and "no overall view of justice," says De Jong.

The professor takes to the Public Ministry and judiciary itself must do more to bridge the gap between citizens and the criminal limit. A good example is the website where Rechtspraak.nl statements to be published immediately. Or so journalists start giving less attention to emotions, doubts De Jong. "But in any case, the motivations of the sentence easily available. And the same goes for politicians today seem to give only comment on what the newspaper.

What I would say to Professor De Jong in regards to his comments about Peter DeVries is this...it's PATHETIC that the FACTS in the Natalee Holloway case were covered up from the getgo BY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE who may include the POLICE AND JUDICIARY.  The investigation of a case of a missing 18 year old American citizen that disappeared while a tourist on Aruba should have NEVER been under the control of a close family friend of one of the three to be last seen with her.  The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has publicly stated himself that the case was hampered by that involvement!  The investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway should have NEVER involved members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, whose main objective is to promote and protect their precious tourism industry AT ALL COSTS.  IF this missing and presumed deceased American citizen had not had parents, other family members, and many others who cared enough to be on Aruba in the early days of the investigation and SEE FOR THEMSELVES the INAPPROPRIATE activities in the investigation it may very well have been swept under the rug like others before.  But it will not be Professor De Jong! 

You claim that Peter DeVries handling of the information he obtained in his undercover investigation was not "honest"?  How do YOU know that the person that Joran Vandersloot called to help him get rid of (what he only PRESUMED to be) a body was the name given in the hidden camera confession?  How do YOU know the person that helped Joran was not on the island?  Is Joran Vandersloot known for his honesty?  You may want to view those hidden camera confessions again Professor De Jong.  Listen to everything Joran Vandersloot says again very closely.  Could it possibly be Professor De Jong that Joran Vandersloot lied about the name of his helper?  Could Joran Vandersloot have possibly phoned HOME for help from the one person he KNEW would help him if for no other reason than to COVER HIS OWN ASS?  Could it be the same person who advised the three prime suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway that WHEN THERE IS NO BODY, THERE IS NO CRIME?  The same person who was allowed to sabotage the investigation even while being a SUSPECT in the investigation?

It is PATHETIC that this crime is to this day unresolved, and the ONLY answers that make any sense that have been provided for her family have come from an Investigative Crime Journalist, and NOT the police or any other law enforcement officials whose JOB it is to FIND those answers, provide them to her family and PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE! 

I believe that quite possibly THEY DID KNOW from the very early days and it was covered up!  If not, why was Natalee Holloway's mother, and others asked repeatedly about any history of seizures? 

Quote
"The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules."

My thoughts on that Professor De Jong are that once any citizen chooses to take away another's God given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...they revoke any right to privacy in regards to that crime against mankind!

JMO

Very Very Well Said TM!  ::MonkeyGavel::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 12:48:10 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62148.php

Google translation:

CURAÇAO

Board rejects motion Brinkman

September 8, 2009, 15:08 (GMT -04:00)

THE HAGUE - The House today rejected a motion lodged by PVV MP Hero Brinkman War. They found that the National Government Ombudsman had to do an investigation "into the current and desired levels of integrity of governance in Saba, St. Eustatius and Bonaire, before they are incorporated as a public body".

Brinkman had filed the motion on September 3 during a debate on the 2008 Annual Report of the Ombudsman. Today was about voting. Only the Party for Freedom and Rita Verdonk themselves voted for, the other groups opposed.

State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom Affairs (CDA) had already submitted the motion in the discouraged.

Brinkman, around the Ombudsman's inquiry necessary "because good governance and integrity in a long time to be forthcoming on many islands of the Netherlands Antilles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 01:10:22 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 09, 2009, 01:12:16 AM


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62121.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Journalists need to hunt less emotion '

September 8, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.

by Sharina Henriquez

Media - "even the NRC Handelsblad '- have, according to the professor only have interest in the human interest side of criminal. Additionally, when the victim and his emotions much attention in the reports, so the reader gets one-sided view. "This hunt emotions causes the feelings of citizens is strengthened", says De Jong. The gap between the civil and criminal desired by the judge imposed, it would only increase. With the danger that this fact affects the amount of those penalties, said the professor.

The development of "back to square one," says De Jong. The time of blood revenge when the victims themselves could take law into their own hands. It is no coincidence, says the professor, that at one time reprisal in the hands of the government came. On the basis of which eventually developed a legal system where the position of the victim is limited.

But now the media ensures that victims will receive back a prominent role in criminal cases and that all suspects are convicted before the camera. "While we know that emotions are not the best adviser," says De Jong.

Private Speurders

The professor calls this a "dubious mechanism", especially since the journalistic "amateur investigators" are believed by the public rather than professional people the police and judiciary. These private investigators are also emerging, he says, especially now that success is achieved as in the case of Peter R. de Vries broadcast about the Holloway case. This with all its consequences. "He has already bitten a terrier it fixed, but as far as I can see, he takes it not so close to the truth." As an example, the professor of the famous broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot on hidden cameras on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway says. "Joran talked about someone who had helped him in the disappearance. But that person was not currently on the island and knew De Vries. It does not deter him to broadcast it anyway. He then gave the recordings to police and justice in the sense of who have not done well and this could benefit them. But that's just not honest. "

To this kind of private investigators is a research, says De Jong, entitled "The people's detective. This television programs about crime and detection under the microscope. There is a distinction made between two such programs. Programs where the creators are working with judicial and police as the Dutch program Verzocht Detection and where, according to professor little danger in that. Are also examined television programs like those of Peter R. De Vries De Jong believes that precisely every effort to remain independent from the authorities. "He wants as a private detective to address certain issues and has been extremely selective. If you look what matters, then everything that arouse emotion. High-profile cases: murder, death, rape. "

Pure commercially De Jong says it is a success, but not criminal. "The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules.
"The professor mentions another example, the Deventer murder case. In it MediaMan Gallup that the person was convicted for the murder, was innocent and be publicly another person as the perpetrator. "That on the basis of inadequate information. The dog was also convicted of libel herein. But the life of the handyman who had accused the Dog is upside down. "

De Jong says it unfortunate as widespread in the footsteps of Peter R. de Vries private investigators to get up. "You see it even in a different context. At sites where such real or not pedophiles appear with name and address. It looks like the medieval witch hunt. "

Increased penalties

What an influence the media to citizens on crime and criminal justice, according to a study done in 2006 in the Netherlands. Two groups of citizens could impose sanctions in a case, one group on the basis of newspaper reports and the other could make the criminal file was complete with all details. This latter group, the investigation showed, was almost the same punishment as the court would have imposed. The other group met many times to long sentences, says De Jong. Still, the sentences of both groups are higher than that of the court. "That was because they only had the file and were not confronted with the witnesses, as in a real meeting place." When the researchers did, showed that citizens are not punished much differently than the court, says the professor.

The media must be more to the "business events" will focus. The professor is in this context also unfortunate that journalists are increasingly specialized court. This beat the media often only large, high-profile lawsuits. Readers will be less to read about little things right and "no overall view of justice," says De Jong.

The professor takes to the Public Ministry and judiciary itself must do more to bridge the gap between citizens and the criminal limit. A good example is the website where Rechtspraak.nl statements to be published immediately. Or so journalists start giving less attention to emotions, doubts De Jong. "But in any case, the motivations of the sentence easily available. And the same goes for politicians today seem to give only comment on what the newspaper.

What I would say to Professor De Jong in regards to his comments about Peter DeVries is this...it's PATHETIC that the FACTS in the Natalee Holloway case were covered up from the getgo BY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE who may include the POLICE AND JUDICIARY.  The investigation of a case of a missing 18 year old American citizen that disappeared while a tourist on Aruba should have NEVER been under the control of a close family friend of one of the three to be last seen with her.  The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has publicly stated himself that the case was hampered by that involvement!  The investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway should have NEVER involved members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, whose main objective is to promote and protect their precious tourism industry AT ALL COSTS.  IF this missing and presumed deceased American citizen had not had parents, other family members, and many others who cared enough to be on Aruba in the early days of the investigation and SEE FOR THEMSELVES the INAPPROPRIATE activities in the investigation it may very well have been swept under the rug like others before.  But it will not be Professor De Jong! 

You claim that Peter DeVries handling of the information he obtained in his undercover investigation was not "honest"?  How do YOU know that the person that Joran Vandersloot called to help him get rid of (what he only PRESUMED to be) a body was the name given in the hidden camera confession?  How do YOU know the person that helped Joran was not on the island?  Is Joran Vandersloot known for his honesty?  You may want to view those hidden camera confessions again Professor De Jong.  Listen to everything Joran Vandersloot says again very closely.  Could it possibly be Professor De Jong that Joran Vandersloot lied about the name of his helper?  Could Joran Vandersloot have possibly phoned HOME for help from the one person he KNEW would help him if for no other reason than to COVER HIS OWN ASS?  Could it be the same person who advised the three prime suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway that WHEN THERE IS NO BODY, THERE IS NO CRIME?  The same person who was allowed to sabotage the investigation even while being a SUSPECT in the investigation?

It is PATHETIC that this crime is to this day unresolved, and the ONLY answers that make any sense that have been provided for her family have come from an Investigative Crime Journalist, and NOT the police or any other law enforcement officials whose JOB it is to FIND those answers, provide them to her family and PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE! 

I believe that quite possibly THEY DID KNOW from the very early days and it was covered up!  If not, why was Natalee Holloway's mother, and others asked repeatedly about any history of seizures? 

Quote
"The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules."

My thoughts on that Professor De Jong are that once any citizen chooses to take away another's God given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...they revoke any right to privacy in regards to that crime against mankind!

JMO

Texasmom....
Your thoughts are spot on for the dear professor de jong bleeding heart sympathy for urine and the perps.....journalists preying on emotions rather than facts...How dare they!

 ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.
Dirk my man...where is the call for the injustice that Natalee and her family have suffered? Four plus years later and you question the criminal journalists intent?
How bout questioning the delay in arresting the last three perps who admitted they were the last three with Natalee?
How bout questioning the OM role in arresting two black security guards on the word of the three perps?
How bout questioning the relationship btwn jan and paulass?
How bout questioning the relationship btwn jansen and paulass?
How bout questioning why paulass/om did everything in their power to deny FBI involvement?
Dirk..dude...where are these FACTS?
Provide rational facts on these issues before you blame journalists that push emotions to find answers....Don't blame the victims...
Dirk....you are a perfect example of the south end of a horse heading north.....Horses' Ass...




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 09, 2009, 01:28:43 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 09, 2009, 01:33:05 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_62127.php

Aruba
"Working on scenario without refinery '
September 8, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)



ORANGE CITY - Despite the positive noises about the Aruban economy, the government sees for the future of the refinery in San Nicolas anxiety. In opening speech of the parliamentary year, the governor that the "current situation in the world of oil there that we must work leads to a scenario without an Aruba refinery."

The government argues, like previous years, moreover, to diversify the economy to reduce reliance on tourism. In it she sees an important role for port calls and the relocation of the container port for a 'imperative necessity'. Other plans for new economic developments are not mentioned.

On its own economic and financial policies said the government continued to pursue consolidation and a balanced budget. The points from the National Commission on Public Finance are still the principles of the policy. Despite the indexation of wages last year forced officials after one weeks long strike of the officials, the staff did not increase, said the government now. The number of officials in 2008 also declined, but has not said how many. However, the government announced that the international reserves "dramatically increased by 1.5 billion florin.

Although the first paragraph of the opening speech the government has indicated that the impact of global recession on the Aruban economy is dire, then later in the speech indicated that the recession has surely affected the activity. This is then the reason that the government revenue now remain. In order to stimulate the economy, the government says, to invest in other funds or money Plant from the proceeds of the Plant Hotel. The Government makes clear that she still stands behind the BBO and it reminds everyone that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) the introduction of the VAT 'applauding'.

Attention is also the major financial problems at MWV but like the last four years, no structural solutions. The government also cites the pension issue to which she zooms in on the growing 'expensive for the government and priceless "public service pension. "Government and unions have come to a solution" is the motto. The government does indicate that the premium due in part to the SVB has met at least if the solvency of the insurance bank to "guarantee".

Other points of emphasis the government is fighting crime with the emphasis on prevention by an active youth. Also education is important and it is working for the government to seek funds from the European Union to the National Education Plan, which covers over ten years, to be funded.

Finally, the governor this morning in an orderly conduct of the elections on September 25. "Let one living example of a democracy in which every one has the opportunity to proclaim his views. Allow discussion and difference in political views divide us and our family bond and unity of our people to break. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 01:34:00 AM


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62121.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Journalists need to hunt less emotion '

September 8, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.

by Sharina Henriquez

Media - "even the NRC Handelsblad '- have, according to the professor only have interest in the human interest side of criminal. Additionally, when the victim and his emotions much attention in the reports, so the reader gets one-sided view. "This hunt emotions causes the feelings of citizens is strengthened", says De Jong. The gap between the civil and criminal desired by the judge imposed, it would only increase. With the danger that this fact affects the amount of those penalties, said the professor.

The development of "back to square one," says De Jong. The time of blood revenge when the victims themselves could take law into their own hands. It is no coincidence, says the professor, that at one time reprisal in the hands of the government came. On the basis of which eventually developed a legal system where the position of the victim is limited.

But now the media ensures that victims will receive back a prominent role in criminal cases and that all suspects are convicted before the camera. "While we know that emotions are not the best adviser," says De Jong.

Private Speurders

The professor calls this a "dubious mechanism", especially since the journalistic "amateur investigators" are believed by the public rather than professional people the police and judiciary. These private investigators are also emerging, he says, especially now that success is achieved as in the case of Peter R. de Vries broadcast about the Holloway case. This with all its consequences. "He has already bitten a terrier it fixed, but as far as I can see, he takes it not so close to the truth." As an example, the professor of the famous broadcast in which Joran van der Sloot on hidden cameras on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway says. "Joran talked about someone who had helped him in the disappearance. But that person was not currently on the island and knew De Vries. It does not deter him to broadcast it anyway. He then gave the recordings to police and justice in the sense of who have not done well and this could benefit them. But that's just not honest. "

To this kind of private investigators is a research, says De Jong, entitled "The people's detective. This television programs about crime and detection under the microscope. There is a distinction made between two such programs. Programs where the creators are working with judicial and police as the Dutch program Verzocht Detection and where, according to professor little danger in that. Are also examined television programs like those of Peter R. De Vries De Jong believes that precisely every effort to remain independent from the authorities. "He wants as a private detective to address certain issues and has been extremely selective. If you look what matters, then everything that arouse emotion. High-profile cases: murder, death, rape. "

Pure commercially De Jong says it is a success, but not criminal. "The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules.
"The professor mentions another example, the Deventer murder case. In it MediaMan Gallup that the person was convicted for the murder, was innocent and be publicly another person as the perpetrator. "That on the basis of inadequate information. The dog was also convicted of libel herein. But the life of the handyman who had accused the Dog is upside down. "

De Jong says it unfortunate as widespread in the footsteps of Peter R. de Vries private investigators to get up. "You see it even in a different context. At sites where such real or not pedophiles appear with name and address. It looks like the medieval witch hunt. "

Increased penalties

What an influence the media to citizens on crime and criminal justice, according to a study done in 2006 in the Netherlands. Two groups of citizens could impose sanctions in a case, one group on the basis of newspaper reports and the other could make the criminal file was complete with all details. This latter group, the investigation showed, was almost the same punishment as the court would have imposed. The other group met many times to long sentences, says De Jong. Still, the sentences of both groups are higher than that of the court. "That was because they only had the file and were not confronted with the witnesses, as in a real meeting place." When the researchers did, showed that citizens are not punished much differently than the court, says the professor.

The media must be more to the "business events" will focus. The professor is in this context also unfortunate that journalists are increasingly specialized court. This beat the media often only large, high-profile lawsuits. Readers will be less to read about little things right and "no overall view of justice," says De Jong.

The professor takes to the Public Ministry and judiciary itself must do more to bridge the gap between citizens and the criminal limit. A good example is the website where Rechtspraak.nl statements to be published immediately. Or so journalists start giving less attention to emotions, doubts De Jong. "But in any case, the motivations of the sentence easily available. And the same goes for politicians today seem to give only comment on what the newspaper.

What I would say to Professor De Jong in regards to his comments about Peter DeVries is this...it's PATHETIC that the FACTS in the Natalee Holloway case were covered up from the getgo BY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE who may include the POLICE AND JUDICIARY.  The investigation of a case of a missing 18 year old American citizen that disappeared while a tourist on Aruba should have NEVER been under the control of a close family friend of one of the three to be last seen with her.  The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has publicly stated himself that the case was hampered by that involvement!  The investigation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway should have NEVER involved members of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, whose main objective is to promote and protect their precious tourism industry AT ALL COSTS.  IF this missing and presumed deceased American citizen had not had parents, other family members, and many others who cared enough to be on Aruba in the early days of the investigation and SEE FOR THEMSELVES the INAPPROPRIATE activities in the investigation it may very well have been swept under the rug like others before.  But it will not be Professor De Jong! 

You claim that Peter DeVries handling of the information he obtained in his undercover investigation was not "honest"?  How do YOU know that the person that Joran Vandersloot called to help him get rid of (what he only PRESUMED to be) a body was the name given in the hidden camera confession?  How do YOU know the person that helped Joran was not on the island?  Is Joran Vandersloot known for his honesty?  You may want to view those hidden camera confessions again Professor De Jong.  Listen to everything Joran Vandersloot says again very closely.  Could it possibly be Professor De Jong that Joran Vandersloot lied about the name of his helper?  Could Joran Vandersloot have possibly phoned HOME for help from the one person he KNEW would help him if for no other reason than to COVER HIS OWN ASS?  Could it be the same person who advised the three prime suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway that WHEN THERE IS NO BODY, THERE IS NO CRIME?  The same person who was allowed to sabotage the investigation even while being a SUSPECT in the investigation?

It is PATHETIC that this crime is to this day unresolved, and the ONLY answers that make any sense that have been provided for her family have come from an Investigative Crime Journalist, and NOT the police or any other law enforcement officials whose JOB it is to FIND those answers, provide them to her family and PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE! 

I believe that quite possibly THEY DID KNOW from the very early days and it was covered up!  If not, why was Natalee Holloway's mother, and others asked repeatedly about any history of seizures? 

Quote
"The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules."

My thoughts on that Professor De Jong are that once any citizen chooses to take away another's God given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...they revoke any right to privacy in regards to that crime against mankind!

JMO

Texasmom....
Your thoughts are spot on for the dear professor de jong bleeding heart sympathy for urine and the perps.....journalists preying on emotions rather than facts...How dare they!

 ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.
Dirk my man...where is the call for the injustice that Natalee and her family have suffered? Four plus years later and you question the criminal journalists intent?
How bout questioning the delay in arresting the last three perps who admitted they were the last three with Natalee?
How bout questioning the OM role in arresting two black security guards on the word of the three perps?
How bout questioning the relationship btwn jan and paulass?
How bout questioning the relationship btwn jansen and paulass?
How bout questioning why paulass/om did everything in their power to deny FBI involvement?
Dirk..dude...where are these FACTS?
Provide rational facts on these issues before you blame journalists that push emotions to find answers....Don't blame the victims...
Dirk....you are a perfect example of the south end of a horse heading north.....Horses' Ass...


Thank you billb!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/nail.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 01:36:46 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 01:39:59 AM
TxMom - thank you for that article and the pics on the dolphin and debris.

It's good to finally know just where on that rock things will wash ashore - if not weighted or otherwise contained.

Also interesting to note the timeline between the death of the dolphin, and when it came ashore was 3 days.

You're welcome Jen!  I found those details interesting also.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 09, 2009, 01:40:59 AM
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, May 11, 2009
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM 3 comments



 Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM


 Anonymous said...
after watching the video about the dog,that also showed the picture of the three guys,who are suspects. the man pointed to two of the guys and said,those are the two he saw with natalee all three times.is there a way for dave holloway to get in touch with me,so the witness can send the evidence he has(clothes,lipstick,and shoes)so DNA samples can be taken for a match.

May 18, 2009 4:02 PM


 Anonymous said...
They really need to do something about this. it is a possible link to natalee. i believe those boys did it. they have a higher power paying people off so they will not be able to find natalee. so they need to do something about that.

August 6, 2009 6:24 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 01:47:24 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

http://74.125.93.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article2353604.ece/Huiszoeking_bij_ex-bestuurder_Bonaire&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNRC%2BHandelsblad%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi6fRpE8X_b2wDuRPOSNe4KPhJB9A

Search for ex-director Bonaire

Published: September 8, 2009 19:51 | Changed: 8 September 2009 21:24
By our correspondent

Kralendijk, Sept. 8. The Antillean Public Ministry has done this morning in search of the leader Ramon Booi Cito Bonaire Tibetan opposition party UPB. It reports the AP.
The OM would not confirm whether it is Booi. He resigned in February after more than eight years as a political leader of Bonaire.

The search by the search team in cooperation with the local corps was polite as part of an international investigation into the laundering of drugs money.

"During the research money was raised suspicion that some people on Bonaire fraud related offenses committed within the public administration", said the Antillean OM in a press release. It refers to the OM, by a Tibetan Bonaire foundation for good governance, "Black Book Bonaire. After the foundation had offered to the Black Book State Secretary Ank Bijleveld (Kingdom Relations, CDA), the 2007 document sent to the OM.

Besides Bonaire also performs searches in Aruba, Curacao and in some European countries including the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Also, a number of people arrested. The OM will not yet confirm whether Booi also been arrested.

Expected to research, which in 2008 was launched by the Public, be extended to other countries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 01:56:33 AM
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, May 11, 2009
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM 3 comments



 Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM


 Anonymous said...
after watching the video about the dog,that also showed the picture of the three guys,who are suspects. the man pointed to two of the guys and said,those are the two he saw with natalee all three times.is there a way for dave holloway to get in touch with me,so the witness can send the evidence he has(clothes,lipstick,and shoes)so DNA samples can be taken for a match.

May 18, 2009 4:02 PM


 Anonymous said...
They really need to do something about this. it is a possible link to natalee. i believe those boys did it. they have a higher power paying people off so they will not be able to find natalee. so they need to do something about that.

August 6, 2009 6:24 PM


Klaas ...What is your take on these comments?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 09, 2009, 02:01:11 AM
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, May 11, 2009
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM 3 comments



 Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM


 Anonymous said...
after watching the video about the dog,that also showed the picture of the three guys,who are suspects. the man pointed to two of the guys and said,those are the two he saw with natalee all three times.is there a way for dave holloway to get in touch with me,so the witness can send the evidence he has(clothes,lipstick,and shoes)so DNA samples can be taken for a match.

May 18, 2009 4:02 PM


 Anonymous said...
They really need to do something about this. it is a possible link to natalee. i believe those boys did it. they have a higher power paying people off so they will not be able to find natalee. so they need to do something about that.

August 6, 2009 6:24 PM


Klaas ...What is your take on these comments?
Hi Hotping....
Of course I am not Klaas.....But my opinion...distraction.......kyle doesn't have the guts to defend his statements...so he pulls in $hit for whatever......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:01:33 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 02:03:37 AM
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, May 11, 2009
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM 3 comments



 Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM


 Anonymous said...
after watching the video about the dog,that also showed the picture of the three guys,who are suspects. the man pointed to two of the guys and said,those are the two he saw with natalee all three times.is there a way for dave holloway to get in touch with me,so the witness can send the evidence he has(clothes,lipstick,and shoes)so DNA samples can be taken for a match.

May 18, 2009 4:02 PM


 Anonymous said...
They really need to do something about this. it is a possible link to natalee. i believe those boys did it. they have a higher power paying people off so they will not be able to find natalee. so they need to do something about that.

August 6, 2009 6:24 PM


Klaas ...What is your take on these comments?
Hi Hotping....
Of course I am not Klaas.....But my opinion...distraction.......kyle doesn't have the guts to defend his statements...so he pulls in $hit for whatever......
That's kinda what I thought...Thanks billb...  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:07:50 AM
http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Quote
Monday, May 11, 2009
To Anonymous commenter in AZ: Your tip has been forwarded to the investigative agents in charge. Thank you for your tip.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 3:17 PM 3 comments



 Anonymous said...
thank you for responding to my e-mails concerning the ongoing truth behind the disappearence of natalee.will your detectives be contacting the authorities here to investagate , what i've been telling you,or will they come to arizona themselves.either way,will you be able to leave me a message ,so they can contact me.the man who's been telling me the evidence he has,fears that the people that are responsible for her death will find out and show up to finish what they tried to do the first time they saw him watching them kill natalee.which is the killing of him for being a witness.

May 12, 2009 3:53 PM


 Anonymous said...
after watching the video about the dog,that also showed the picture of the three guys,who are suspects. the man pointed to two of the guys and said,those are the two he saw with natalee all three times.is there a way for dave holloway to get in touch with me,so the witness can send the evidence he has(clothes,lipstick,and shoes)so DNA samples can be taken for a match.

May 18, 2009 4:02 PM


 Anonymous said...
They really need to do something about this. it is a possible link to natalee. i believe those boys did it. they have a higher power paying people off so they will not be able to find natalee. so they need to do something about that.

August 6, 2009 6:24 PM


Klaas ...What is your take on these comments?
Hi Hotping....
Of course I am not Klaas.....But my opinion...distraction.......kyle doesn't have the guts to defend his statements...so he pulls in $hit for whatever......

I agree billb.  ::MonkeyCool::

Someone has possibly had evidence for over four years, and the person they tell about it doesn't contact the authorities themselves...they'll put their trust in "hero" Kyle to do it for them.  Yeah right.  JMO
 
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyViolin::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 02:08:54 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::






Are We talking Rats that squeal like pigs?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 09, 2009, 02:10:30 AM
Bottom line Folks....
aruba is toast......even AFTER the perps are nailed....
believe me..the perps WILL be nailed....
It is only a matter of time...
Tick Tock.....
aruba has no one to blame but the perps/american traitors/powers that be on aruba.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::

Are We talking Rats that squeal like pigs?  ::MonkeyWink::

I think maybe.... sooooooooweeeeeeeee!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 02:12:05 AM
Bottom line Folks....
aruba is toast......even AFTER the perps are nailed....
believe me..the perps WILL be nailed....
It is only a matter of time...
Tick Tock.....
aruba has no one to blame but the perps/american traitors/powers that be on aruba.....
Agreed...Tick Tock!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 02:14:44 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::

Are We talking Rats that squeal like pigs?  ::MonkeyWink::

I think maybe.... sooooooooweeeeeeeee!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Ya think maybe they are trying to get out of here alittle sooner  ::MonkeyDevil2::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:15:01 AM
Bottom line Folks....
aruba is toast......even AFTER the perps are nailed....
believe me..the perps WILL be nailed....
It is only a matter of time...
Tick Tock.....
aruba has no one to blame but the perps/american traitors/powers that be on aruba.....

Once again....(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/nail.gif)

::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice::
It's coming......
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 09, 2009, 02:21:25 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::

Are We talking Rats that squeal like pigs?  ::MonkeyWink::

I think maybe.... sooooooooweeeeeeeee!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Texasmom..
I don't read papicocka (not detrimental to you-detrimental to aruba cockapapi) like you do....but I'm with you!... ::MonkeyCool::
Canoe trips on the horizon..ktf, wreck, robots,rob, etc)...Let's drive our message home to the perps/american traitors/aruba powers the be....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:22:33 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::

Are We talking Rats that squeal like pigs?  ::MonkeyWink::

I think maybe.... sooooooooweeeeeeeee!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Ya think maybe they are trying to get out of here alittle sooner  ::MonkeyDevil2::


RODRIGUEZ  RAMONA  11/11/1958  50  In Custody  Morris County Jail  Morris County Jail 
  RODRIGUEZ  RAMONA  11/11/1958  50  In Custody  Hudson County Jail  Hudson County Jail 


 RODRIGUEZ  DAURY   DANIEL  06/28/1986  23  In Custody  Hudson County Jail  Hudson County Jail 
  RODRIGUEZ  DAURY  06/28/1986  23  In Custody  Morris County Jail  Morris County Jail

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/initMap.do

IMO...could be...

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 02:23:02 AM
Good Night  texasmom, billb and 1 guest


Tick Tock!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 09, 2009, 02:24:20 AM
I really mean it this time... ::MonkeyCool::
Good night TM, Hotping, Klaas, all good monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is right around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:30:24 AM
Very interesting....

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11829/5/

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at curaçao, bonaire, aruba y europa (ii)

tuesday, 08 september 2009 - 18:09 on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas dutch owing to cuminza at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs. click read more for more info...

listramento at aruba, bonaire, curaçao y europa

in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, today confiscacionnan did take place at one cantidad big of sitio at antiyas dutch, aruba y some country european, among they the netherlands belgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here today during morning y tra’i mèrdia was have at bonaire one overall of diezocho caso of listramento, esta in eight cas, cuater instancia of gobièrno y six business. at overall yonder two detencion did take lugá: a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at curaçao owing to listra at two cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w.

at aruba owing to listra at cuater cas. yonder also owing to detené one hende: c.m.

together at the islands abc was have 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente diescuater caso of listramento did take place at the paisnan european already mencioná caminda owing to detené two person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of fire, vehículo, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidad of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto of labamento of coin owing to achieve pista among another of contrabanda of gold atraves of aruba y antiyas dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take place day 27 of march the year here at merca.

is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dollar owing to happen in time còrtico atraves of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antiyas dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion publico. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redacta for her fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, today morning early the listramento mencioná did take place among another at home of two person at bonaire. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio publico of antiyas, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of recherché of the netherlands, antiyas dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of curaçao (kpc), cuerpo policial of bonaire (kpb), cuerpo policial of aruba (kpa), douane of antiyas dutch, douane of aruba y guarda costa of antiyas dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands ta: the servicio nacional of recherche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), recherche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio publico (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion ta: the instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudisial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio publico of antiyas dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania.

the casonan of detencion y listramento at curaçao, bonaire y aruba owing to rekerí envolvimento di:

cuater huez comisario, cuater fiscal y more cu hundred acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antiyas dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.

I may be wayyyy off base but I couldn't help but think of....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

a lot of things don't quite match...so what's new?   ::MonkeyWink::

Are We talking Rats that squeal like pigs?  ::MonkeyWink::

I think maybe.... sooooooooweeeeeeeee!   ::MonkeyDevil::
Texasmom..
I don't read papicocka (not detrimental to you-detrimental to aruba cockapapi) like you do....but I'm with you!... ::MonkeyCool::
Canoe trips on the horizon..ktf, wreck, robots,rob, etc)...Let's drive our message home to the perps/american traitors/aruba powers the be....

I can't read that papicockachit either billb!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I definitely agree on driving our message home!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

(can't find my (actually Klaas') pretty pink car yet...glad I might be able to use it for another purpose now!)

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:32:06 AM


Good night hotping, billb, and any other good monkeys!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:34:11 AM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/KermitsSloot4.jpg)
 
::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:35:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 09, 2009, 10:06:39 AM
That de Jong is a complete buffoon!

Kudos to you Monkeys for spelling out the actual FACTS of the matter!

I couldn't stop giggling at his comparison of DeVries to the re-enactment ALE did  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Because theirs was such a stellar, factual job!!!  Just look at the person they used to depict Joran!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
John Silvetti collaborated with the enemy and expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He does not get a pass.  He is suspected as being one with enemy.

Peter DeVries collaborated with the enemy and expected a positive outcome in his quest for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway.  He gets a pass.  He is not suspected as being one with the enemy.

Monkeys ... there appears to be such a double standard.  What am I not getting.

Janet

++++++++

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.  

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 10:56:25 AM
If ANYBODY but Peter Devries claimed that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot  did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

+++++++



Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 11:03:21 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:
  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 09, 2009, 11:31:50 AM
Klaas

Rulings in the K2Dr. Phil case:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
Klaas

Rulings in the K2Dr. Phil case:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 12:08:57 PM
If an American court rules that a 36 years old adult serves five years for committing the same offense as underage Joran van der Sloot ... the Aruban court would rule a slap on the wrist.  Was this the Aruban strategy behind the Peter Devries recording ... a recording that implicated only Joran and and unknown accomplist in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Kalpoe brothers and Paulus van der Sloots involvement would be a non-issue.

I contend that the Aruban strategy went awry when Joran van der Sloot admitted on tape that he did not know whether Natalee was deceased.  The disposal of body and murder consitute two different felonies.

IMO

Janet

+++++++ 

Man gets 5 years for dumping college student's body at sea
3:33 PM | May 18, 2009

 A man who admitted to dumping the body of an Orange County woman in the ocean after a night of heavy drug use was sentenced this afternoon to five years in state prison.

John Steven Burgess, 36, pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter on May 6 in the death of 19-year-old Donna Jou of Rancho Santa Margarita. Jou, whom Burgess met online, was a student at San Diego State University.

Burgess, who recently completed a term for failing to register as a sex offender, said Jou died nearly two years ago after he gave her cocaine, heroin and alcohol at a party at his home in Palms.

When he awoke the next morning, Burgess said, she was dead. He said he panicked and used his sailboat to dump her body in the ocean.

<snipped>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/man-gets-5-years-for-dumping-college-students-body-at-sea.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
Klaas

Rulings in the K2Dr. Phil case:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil
Thank You Buckeye!  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 09, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
If ANYBODY but Peter Devries claimed that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot  did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

+++++++



Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

No passes for me!JMOO.."IF" Peter DeVries doesn't do a show on the corruption that co-exists between Aruba & the Netherlands,with Paulus/Anita in the middle..Me thinks something is VERY HINKY but,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 01:12:27 PM
If ANYBODY but Peter Devries claimed that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot  did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

+++++++



Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

No passes for me!JMOO.."IF" Peter DeVries doesn't do a show on the corruption that co-exists between Aruba & the Netherlands,with Paulus/Anita in the middle..Me thinks something is VERY HINKY but,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Keepthefaith

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Peter Devries (see above) and Rudy Croes are one in regards to Paulus van der Sloot.  The smuggled cell phone is the focus ... not Paulus' immediate participation in the coverup of the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

++++++


Rudy Croes
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 09, 2009, 01:45:42 PM
If ANYBODY but Peter Devries claimed that the Kalpoe brothers or Paulus van der Sloot  did not participate in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... Monkeys would go up one side him/her and down the other ... accusing him/her of possessing an Aruban agenda.

Again ... why the double standard?

Janet

+++++++



Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Peter Devries

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home.  And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

No passes for me!JMOO.."IF" Peter DeVries doesn't do a show on the corruption that co-exists between Aruba & the Netherlands,with Paulus/Anita in the middle..Me thinks something is VERY HINKY but,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Keepthefaith

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Peter Devries (see above) and Rudy Croes are one in regards to Paulus van der Sloot.  The smuggled cell phone is the focus ... not Paulus' immediate participation in the coverup of the happenings of the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

++++++


Rudy Croes
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


Until Peter R. De Vries has a show exclusively taking a look at the history/friendships/corruption,that he damn well know exists, of Paulus Van Der Sloot,Ben Vocking,Judge Smit,and or all the judges,Jan
Van Der Stratten,Karin Janssen as well as any other miscreant i missed..No passes for me!!I'll wait and see if that show ever comes about.For some reason,i don't think it will!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: JMOO.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:31:18 PM
The secretly recorded confessions of Joran was not the first show Peter DeVries has done in Natalee's case.  IIRC there was another from earlier in the case, that I remember some pictures of Ben (Vocking) King being shown in.  I'll see what I can find on it later.  Not sure if an entire transcript was ever done on it, it was broadcast in Dutch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:32:22 PM
Klaas

Rulings in the K2Dr. Phil case:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye!  Hopefully Klaas will be able to find out more and post it for us!
 ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 02:37:59 PM
 I don't really think that Peter de Vries was giving the Kalpoes and Paulus a pass.
I think that he was only repeating what Joran had said on the tape recorded in the
Land Rover.
The tape was the topic of discussion.  deVries was not asked his opinion as to the
guilt of the Kalpoes or Paulus.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:41:23 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/26/peter-de-vries-investigates-the-natalee-holloway-disappearance-in-aruba-lies-and-conflicts-of-interest/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
I don't really think that Peter de Vries was giving the Kalpoes and Paulus a pass.
I think that he was only repeating what Joran had said on the tape recorded in the
Land Rover.
The tape was the topic of discussion.  deVries was not asked his opinion as to the
guilt of the Kalpoes or Paulus.  JMO

I agree Magnolia.  I don't see Peter DeVries EVER giving Paulus a pass in this case. 

Good to see you!  Gotta run!   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 09, 2009, 02:50:20 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/26/peter-de-vries-investigates-the-natalee-holloway-disappearance-in-aruba-lies-and-conflicts-of-interest/

FROM THE COMMENTS

MINNESOTA DAD SAID IT BEST..

I will only trust DeVries when he takes the appropriate steps to uncover what Dutch Investigators are refusing to do —- exposing Paulus and the favors done by many high-ups within Aruba’s government. Otherwise, he is just another shill trying to put the focus on Joran, a minor, who in the end will take the rap for this case when Aruba runs out of ways to cover-up for Paulus and others."

md


Thank You TM.. ::MonkeyCool:: I agree 110% with MD! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 03:02:17 PM
If I remember correctly, DeVries is the one who did uncover the fact that Antonio Carlo
told Karen Jannsen that Joran was guilty, but it was up to her to prove it.

He may be a shill out to make money and win an international emmy, but he has
done a lot to uncover evidence that the Arubian gov't and the AHATA struggled to
keep hidden.

He is in no way supporting J2K and Paulus.  He is on our side.
He has brought more to the forefront than anybody else...whatever his reasons.

I am grateful for his participation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 03:03:16 PM
I don't really think that Peter de Vries was giving the Kalpoes and Paulus a pass.
I think that he was only repeating what Joran had said on the tape recorded in the
Land Rover.
The tape was the topic of discussion.  deVries was not asked his opinion as to the
guilt of the Kalpoes or Paulus.  JMO

If Peter Devries conceded that Paulus and the Kalpoes were participants ... then he would have to concede that his recorded "confession" of Joran was nothing but lies.  He could not have it both ways.

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 03:04:13 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 09, 2009, 03:06:41 PM
If I remember correctly, DeVries is the one who did uncover the fact that Antonio Carlo
told Karen Jannsen that Joran was guilty, but it was up to her to prove it.

He may be a shill out to make money and win an international emmy, but he has
done a lot to uncover evidence that the Arubian gov't and the AHATA struggled to
keep hidden.

He is in no way supporting J2K and Paulus.  He is on our side.
He has brought more to the forefront than anybody else...whatever his reasons.

I am grateful for his participation.

I hope you're right and i'm wrong Magnolia! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 03:23:51 PM
I believe that Peter Devries WAS on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway but ... for a price was caught up in an Aruba strategy that would implicate only Joran and thereby:

1.  Close the Investigation
2.  Appease the family
3.  Silence the media
4.  Make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory
5.  Protect Paulus and the sons of the elite from implication.
6.  Protect those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruba administration involved in the coverup
7.  Protect the judiciary who ruled against detentions of all suspects in the case
8.  Protect those involved in Aruba's underground economy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
I look at it this way......we all know basically what happened to Natalee.
We know that she left Carlos and Charlies in the company of Joran the Kalpoe
brothers.  She was never seen again.  We know that she died sometime that night
and her body eventually ended up in the sea in a crab trap.
We know that Paulus set out immediately to cover for his son and called in all of
his favors to make sure that all of the evidence disappeared within the ten days
before J2K were arrested.  After the arrest the judges, who were his friends granted
more favors.
We know that the people associated with tourism and time shares were concerned
for their pocketbooks and joined in the cover-up by trying to discredit Natalee and her
family.
We are fairly certain that the Persistence found Natalee's remains, but decided for
some monetary reason to turn those remains over to the Arubian police.

There are enough bad guys in the whole story to go around. 
Let's point fingers at those we know are to blame.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 03:46:18 PM
Peter Devries implies to the mother of Natalee Holloway that every word out of Joran van der Sloots mouth is the truth ... its a "full confession".  Think about it.  Joran distances his father and ... exonerates the Kalpoes.  Nevertheless ... Devries assures Beth Holloway that this recording is a "full confession".  Devries is outright lying to Beth and ... that makes me soooo angry.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++


THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY  
Thursday 31 January 2008


Peter R. DeVries:  “This is a full confession.”

Beth Twitty:  “You got every bit of it. That son of a bitch. Oh God.”

Peter R. DeVries:   “No regrets at all.”

Beth Twitty:  “No, he don’t even know if she’s dead or not. No.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He only seems to care for himself.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my Gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “And he wants to profit from it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my gosh, he has just…”

Peter R. DeVries:  “Now he can abuse it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “Unbelievable isn’t it.”

Beth Twitty:  “Yeah. God. It’s all true. Oh my gosh. From everything. From the Holiday inn. How he got home…”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He lied, everything was a lie.”

Beth Twitty:  “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty:  “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty:  “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty:  “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

Peter R. DeVries:  "To you.”

Beth Twitty:  “Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee. That son of a bitch.”

Peter R. DeVries:  "He is saying: ‘It was not my fault. I couldn’t help it.’ But how would you describe what happened there? Do you believe that?”

Beth Twitty:  “He didn’t care, he didn’t care, he didn’t care. What I wanna know is: he is just right there with here and dear god they just dispose of her body, I mean in the ocean.”

Peter R. DeVries:  “He went home and went to sleep.”

Beth Twitty:   “And was planning all the things he was going to do to cover himself. That’s why he got on the internet so quickly. Just what you said when he called this friend of his, Daury, he said, he know somebody to call when he got in a situation like this. What path is he on, how many women could he do this to and how many women did he potentially in his presence that could have died. Oh my god.”

Peter R. DeVries:“  But it is a full confession Beth. He can’t get away with this.”

Beth Twitty:  “This has to be it! This has to be it! I guess enough is enough. Enough is enough. When I think back on it. When I first got on the island, I couldn’t look on the water, I could not look out on the ocean. And I didn’t know why. But I couldn’t look at the water. I know now: it was all real you know I had this gut feeling that she was… Something seemed so evil about the water, something seemed so evil, so bad and I din’t know why, but I know why now.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
I believe that Peter Devries WAS on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway but ... for a price was caught up in an Aruba strategy that would implicate only Joran and thereby:

1.  Close the Investigation
2.  Appease the family
3.  Silence the media
4.  Make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory
5.  Protect Paulus and the sons of the elite from implication.
6.  Protect those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruba administration involved in the coverup
7.  Protect the judiciary who ruled against detentions of all suspects in the case
8.  Protect those involved in Aruba's underground economy.



That is exactly like the strategy of the AHATA.  They plant a seed of doubt to discredit.
Then the information is repeated until it is taken as fact.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
I believe that Peter Devries WAS on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway but ... for a price was caught up in an Aruba strategy that would implicate only Joran and thereby:

1.  Close the Investigation
2.  Appease the family
3.  Silence the media
4.  Make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory
5.  Protect Paulus and the sons of the elite from implication.
6.  Protect those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruba administration involved in the coverup
7.  Protect the judiciary who ruled against detentions of all suspects in the case
8.  Protect those involved in Aruba's underground economy.



That is exactly like the strategy of the AHATA.  They plant a seed of doubt to discredit.
Then the information is repeated until it is taken as fact.

If only Joran van der Sloot takes the fall for the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... then all the above will come to pass.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
I believe that Peter Devries WAS on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway but ... for a price was caught up in an Aruba strategy that would implicate only Joran and thereby:

1.  Close the Investigation
2.  Appease the family
3.  Silence the media
4.  Make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory
5.  Protect Paulus and the sons of the elite from implication.
6.  Protect those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruba administration involved in the coverup
7.  Protect the judiciary who ruled against detentions of all suspects in the case
8.  Protect those involved in Aruba's underground economy.



That is exactly like the strategy of the AHATA.  They plant a seed of doubt to discredit.
Then the information is repeated until it is taken as fact.

If only Joran van der Sloot takes the fall for the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... then all the above will come to pass.

Janet


That could be true.  However you have absolutely no proof that Peter R. DeVries was paid "a price" to go
 along with an Aruban strategy.  It is wrong to put that inforamtion into people's heads without some proof.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
You are right.  I have no proof.  However ... I can speculate why Peter Devries would lie to the mother of Natalee Holloway when he assured her that he had obtained a full confession from Joran van der Sloot when Paulus was distanced and the Kalpoes were exonerated from participation in the event encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Magnolia ... my posts of speculation are not without backup ... backup that you and others will not acknowledge.  I provided you with Peter Devries own words that imply he does not believe in the Kalpoes' involvement.  You failed to acknowledge.

It is something akin to the prodigal monkeys standing behind John Silvetti 100% while failing to acknowledge Kyle Kingman's own words.

Speculation with "proof" regarding payoffs regarding the happenings of this case has been going on since the getgo.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
Speculation with "proof" regarding s/b Speculation without "proof" regarding


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 04:17:33 PM
You are right.  I have no proof.  However ... I can speculate why Peter Devries would lie to the mother of Natalee Holloway when he assured her that he had obtained a full confession from Joran van der Sloot when Paulus was distanced and the Kalpoes were exonerated from participation in the event encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

Magnolia ... my posts of speculation are not without backup ... backup that you and others will not acknowledge.  I provided you with Peter Devries own words that imply he does not believe in the Kalpoes' involvement.  You failed to acknowledge.

It is something akin to the prodigal monkeys standing behind John Silvetti 100% while failing to acknowledge Kyle Kingman's own words.

Speculation with "proof" regarding payoffs regarding the happenings of this case has been going on since the getgo.

Janet

I don't consider the quotes of Peter DeVries as backup, when he is talking about the words recorded in the Land Rover.
He did get a full confession from Joran on those tapes. I have heard it and I believed what Joran said.
 Aruba chose not to believe it.
I don't see why it is important to discredit Peter R. DeVries.  He has been one of the points of light in this whole
sorry mess.  What has brought you to the point of discrediting him and Dave and Tim Miller?  I don't get it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 05:05:25 PM
Magnolia

For over four years my quest has been to expose ANYBODY associated with the Natalee Holloway case who has a relationship with those who are known to have an Aruban agenda.  I have never given ANYBODY a pass.

When Peter Devries, Tim Miller and Dave/Robin Holloway collaborate in the name of justice for Natatee with those who have done their mutmost to prevent justice from prevailing ... it does not make sense to me and ... I will question their motivations.

If you want to give Peter Devries, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway a pass for who they are ... that is OK with me but ... I cannot.

Along with others ... I questioned Dave and Robin's relationship with the enemy since Robin's enfamous BFN post in August 2006 and ... along with others ... I questioned what was behind the Peter Devries' recording from the moment he claimed that Joran made a "full" confession ... a "full" confession that did not involve the Kalpoes or Paulus van der Sloot.

Janet

+++++++++

JULY, 2007 - FOLLOWING DAVE AND ROBIN'S DENOUNCMENT OF THE BOYCOTT

Tamikosmom
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2007, 07:57:23 PM »


Ms. Red ... I believe that logic dictates that that individual family members at some given time have to move on with life even if it means that justice is not forthcoming for Natalee.  However ... that does not explain the relationship Robin and Dave has established with the enemy.

Mark Purcell has submitted countless posts to internet forums upholding Julia Renfro.  Julia Renfro proclaims the innocence of Joran and  and ... she creates smokescreens discrediting both Natalee and Beth.

Ms. Red ... it is not rocket science ... something is not right in regards to this relationship.

My underlying reason for devoting the past two years to the Natalee Holloway case has been to uphold the family in their contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was denying Natalee justice ... a corrupt Aruban investigation was distancing Paulus and Joran from implication.  I have never wavered from that support for one minute and ... now members of the the family are changing positions ...

I am so discouraged.

Janet

_______

mrs. Red
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2007, 07:59:37 PM »


Janet, I do agree that yes, life does and should move on....

but why sleep with the enemy???

Notice no one says that Beth doesn't support a boycott....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192071;topicseen#msg192071


++++++++


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth. I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1/2007
« Reply #403 on: December 02, 2007, 11:17:37 PM »


We are not attacking the Holloways, we are QUESTIONING why on earth Robin and Dave believe that Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell are worthy of trust after how badly they have spoken about both Natalee and Beth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.400


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 05:44:22 PM

Magnolia,

I agree with everything you said.

Thank you!


 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 05:47:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62187.php

Google translation:

Large-scale smuggling gold from the Antilles and Aruba

September 9, 2009, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

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Agents searching the home of Carlos Mercera in Seroe Pela in relation to the large-scale investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in Europe.

ORANGE CITY - The sons of Anthony and Carlos Mercera UPB-commissioner and former Minister Carlos Marcera Aruba and Bonaire were yesterday arrested in connection with a major investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in some European countries, including the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Justice is the research also encountered a large scale smuggling of gold from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

On Aruba, four searches made including the home of Carlos Marcera in Seroe Pela. These are documents, vehicles and gold were seized. On Bonaire were eighteen searches, namely, in eight homes, four government agencies and six companies. In total there were two arrests among them is Anthony Marcera. On Curaçao has been searched two houses and one commercial building was searched. There is hereby made an arrest, William Wijngaarde.

In those European countries took place two p.m. searches where two people were arrested. Besides the arrests that took place, several firearms, vehicles, vessels, aircraft, precious goods, a large amount of money and a quantity of gold seized.

Gold Smuggling

During the laundering investigation include views on widespread smuggling of gold received from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. These gold smuggling is related to an arrest on March 27 this year in the United States took place. While the arrested person is suspected of including substantial sums of money from the major drug trafficking (cocaine from Colombia). About accounts managed by that person in the U.S. in a short time more than eight billion U.S. dollars went.

The investigation is in progress and will not be limited to the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and Europe. Several arrests and searches are not excluded, says the prosecution of Curaçao.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 05:51:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62186.php

Opposition: 'Speech Refunjol exaggerated'

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September 9, 2009, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The leaders of the opposition parties AVP, RED and MPA are not weak in their comments on the speech of Governor Fredis Rafunjol, he on behalf of the government yesterday at the opening of the parliamentary year was. The party leaders, the government complacency and she shows no vision for the future.

According ASF party leader Mike Eman characterized the speech of the governor on behalf of the Government's attitude of the Cabinet. "At no time admitted that Aruba is currently a very serious situation." The party leader points to the decline in revenues in the tourism sector and the fall in purchasing power "after eight years measures' which has led to the entire population of The island has become poorer. "The pain in society is large and you would still expect the government would consider the current situation and that a change must come. It also said that there would be strategic partners that we have lost and how the government will reduce. But at least in one sense or passage should be told about how this government thinks the economy to want to boost. That has not happened, so it remains an attitude of denial and neglect on the part of the government, in this speech, "said Mike Eman

Sad Christmas

According to Rudy Lampe, leader of RED, draws the speech of Governor Refunjol too optimistic picture of reality. "Many families lose their income. This week, 500 contract workers at Valero go home. This is a large effect on our entire economy. At a certain point you can talk about a few thousand families a sad Christmas and look forward into trouble because they can not fulfill their obligations. "

According to Lampe, the government on the one hand that the pensions for civil servants too expensive, but there is no mention about the pension plan for ministers and members of the States. "I am disappointed that this issue was not discussed because it is important that the false system is adjusted. The officials will be sacrifices in these difficult times and return, but not the directors. "The party leader calls on the outgoing members of the States to make an order to use the bridging allowance.

According to Monica Kock, leader of MPA, summarized the government in the speech of the Governor only on what is achieved. "Discussions focused on what has been done and very little about what they want." What is said about the new waste treatment plant in Parkietenbos has noticed her. "It was boasted that Aruba is the only country outside the U.S. such installation, but the reason is that Aruba is used as guinea pigs for this. First it was the intention of the fluff that is produced to use as landfill. Only now do they decide what they will do it. "

Furthermore, the accused leader of the party rose to the fact that government party MEP until today no party has presented. "In 2005 they were still showing A4 piece of paper with ten points. This time there is not even mentioned once and that worries me, because even during this little speech we got to hear new plans. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 05:55:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62184.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Valero-workers supported by ABA

September 9, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Aruba Bankers' Association (ABA) recognizes that the decision of Valero to contracts with the various contractors to say it was likely that the employees of contractors who lose their jobs. They recognize that they result in serious financial difficulties might bring. The ABA has decided not to wait but right now this group of workers a helping hand.

The local banks are calling loans to the victims who have to run one or more banks, to come forward. The banks are willing to think with them and to each case in an effort to achieve the most feasible. In this context is thought to converting loans or construction over a period of time only the interest needs to be paid.

ABA points out that the situation which has arisen is different than the situation at the time of closure of the Lake in 1985 and therefore can not be compared with them. In the short term, banks will contact the companies concerned, the unions and the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) to discuss this matter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 05:59:06 PM
Magnolia ... please hear me out.

I believe I have valid reasons for turning on Natalee Holloway's father and stepmother but ... above all loyalty for Beth and Natalee is where it is at for me in my decision not to give Robin and Dave Holloway a pass.  It is all about their four year relationship with Mark Purcell and his adherences at BFN and BNH.  Think about the words of the posts submitted by those with an Aruban agenda ... posts that  despicably undermining both Natalee and her mother.  Robin and Dave have been aware of these posts from the getgo and still the relationship continues.  Aside from what I consider valid reasons for turning on these two and ... most I have shared on this forum ... I have lost all respect for them.

Despite our differences Magnolia ... I would not join a forum where you were dispicable undermind.  Hey ... I would not allow without a challenge a poster to appear on this forum out of nowhere and undermine you.  It is a thing called loyalty.

I feel for Dave and Robin Holloway.  Both have lost a daughter they watch grow to a beautiful young lady.  However ... that relationship does not imply that Dave and Robins actions and motives are above reproach.

Sincere, Janet.

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 06:13:54 PM
Janet,
I may not approve of all the methods of Dave Holloway, but I will not condemn him.
I do not know what is in his mind or his heart.  I know he has lost a child and has not
been able to find the remains of that child or the answers to what happened to her.
I would imagine he is tired and feels depleted.  I would imagine that he wants some peace.
That is how I would feel in such a situation.
I do not think for even one minute that Dave or Tim Miller or Peter R. DeVries would intentionally
do anything or take any amount of money to undermine the investigation into Natalee's disappearance.
I do not believe that any of those three men have that sort of character.  But, that is just my opinion
after following this sad story for over four years.
I do not think you would knowingly do anything to corrupt the investigation either and I respect you.
But that does not mean I see everything exactly as you do.
Now Robin is another story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 09, 2009, 06:38:19 PM
Peter DeVries is one of my heroes. There is no doubt in my mind that he will focus on Paulus VDS at some point in time.  I don't believe he is quite through with Joran VDS yet.  All in good time.  Paulus in in his sights and when you least expect it he will pull a fast one on him also.  Joran will screw up again and Peter will be right there.  As for the Kalpoes, you can't get them unless you get Paulus.  Paulus hold the key to all of this. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 09, 2009, 06:42:51 PM
Peter DeVries is one of my heroes. There is no doubt in my mind that he will focus on Paulus VDS at some point in time.  I don't believe he is quite through with Joran VDS yet.  All in good time.  Paulus in  is in his sights and when you least expect it he will pull a fast one on him also.  Joran will screw up again and Peter will be right there.  As for the Kalpoes, you can't get them unless you get Paulus.  Paulus hold holds the key to all of this. JMO

darn it---correction.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 07:03:12 PM
Janet,
I may not approve of all the methods of Dave Holloway, but I will not condemn him.
I do not know what is in his mind or his heart.  I know he has lost a child and has not
been able to find the remains of that child or the answers to what happened to her.
I would imagine he is tired and feels depleted.  I would imagine that he wants some peace.
That is how I would feel in such a situation.
I do not think for even one minute that Dave or Tim Miller or Peter R. DeVries would intentionally
do anything or take any amount of money to undermine the investigation into Natalee's disappearance.
I do not believe that any of those three men have that sort of character.  But, that is just my opinion
after following this sad story for over four years.
I do not think you would knowingly do anything to corrupt the investigation either and I respect you.
But that does not mean I see everything exactly as you do.
Now Robin is another story.

... and that is fine with me.  I would love it if everybody were to agree with my points of view but ... I know realistically that is not going to happen.  However ... I do want the freedom of expressing my positions ... positions that I do not arrive at lightly ... without being disrespectfully undermine.  I do not have a problem being alone in a crowd regarding opinion but ... I truly want to be one with others on this forum in our united quest for answers regarding a corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. 

Thank you Magnolia.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 07:29:26 PM
Janet,
I may not approve of all the methods of Dave Holloway, but I will not condemn him.
I do not know what is in his mind or his heart.  I know he has lost a child and has not
been able to find the remains of that child or the answers to what happened to her.
I would imagine he is tired and feels depleted.  I would imagine that he wants some peace.
That is how I would feel in such a situation.
I do not think for even one minute that Dave or Tim Miller or Peter R. DeVries would intentionally
do anything or take any amount of money to undermine the investigation into Natalee's disappearance.
I do not believe that any of those three men have that sort of character.  But, that is just my opinion
after following this sad story for over four years.
I do not think you would knowingly do anything to corrupt the investigation either and I respect you.
But that does not mean I see everything exactly as you do.
Now Robin is another story.

... and that is fine with me.  I would love it if everybody were to agree with my points of view but ... I know realistically that is not going to happen.  However ... I do want the freedom of expressing my positions ... positions that I do not arrive at lightly ... without being disrespectfully undermine.  I do not have a problem being alone in a crowd regarding opinion but ... I truly want to be one with others on this forum in our united quest for answers regarding a corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. 

Thank you Magnolia.

Janet

You can express your opinions until the cows come home.  Nobody has ever denied you that priviledge.
But you need to understand that a different opinion to yours is not undermining you or being disrespectful.
It is another monkey's opinion... just as yours is only your opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 08:36:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62187.php

Google translation:

Large-scale smuggling gold from the Antilles and Aruba

September 9, 2009, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
  Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-inval-seroe-pela-_.gif)
 
Agents searching the home of Carlos Mercera in Seroe Pela in relation to the large-scale investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in Europe.

ORANGE CITY - The sons of Anthony and Carlos Mercera UPB-commissioner and former Minister Carlos Marcera Aruba and Bonaire were yesterday arrested in connection with a major investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in some European countries, including the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Justice is the research also encountered a large scale smuggling of gold from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

On Aruba, four searches made including the home of Carlos Marcera in Seroe Pela. These are documents, vehicles and gold were seized. On Bonaire were eighteen searches, namely, in eight homes, four government agencies and six companies. In total there were two arrests among them is Anthony Marcera. On Curaçao has been searched two houses and one commercial building was searched. There is hereby made an arrest, William Wijngaarde.

In those European countries took place two p.m. searches where two people were arrested. Besides the arrests that took place, several firearms, vehicles, vessels, aircraft, precious goods, a large amount of money and a quantity of gold seized.

Gold Smuggling

During the laundering investigation include views on widespread smuggling of gold received from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. These gold smuggling is related to an arrest on March 27 this year in the United States took place. While the arrested person is suspected of including substantial sums of money from the major drug trafficking (cocaine from Colombia). About accounts managed by that person in the U.S. in a short time more than eight billion U.S. dollars went.

The investigation is in progress and will not be limited to the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and Europe. Several arrests and searches are not excluded, says the prosecution of Curaçao.

 
Connection???

CNN) -- Texas billionaire Allen Stanford was taken into custody Thursday night on a fraud-related charge in Stafford, Virginia, the FBI said.

Allen Stanford, right, poses with his Antigua cricket team in November 2008.
 FBI Supervisory Special Agent M.A. Myers would not provide further details on Stanford's arrest, but his attorney, Dick DeGuerin, told CNN that Stanford had surrendered to agents.

Stanford, accused of a $9.2 billion fraud by U.S. regulators, denied all wrongdoing in a tearful interview in April during which he threatened to punch his questioner in the mouth.

"I would die and go to hell if it's a Ponzi scheme," Stanford, who was ranked at No. 205 in Forbes magazine's list of 400 richest Americans with assets of more than $2 billion, told ABC News.

The assets of Stanford and his financial groups, based in Antigua and the Caribbean, are frozen while the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigates allegations he ran "a massive Ponzi scheme," a pyramid scheme in which new investors' money is stolen to pay profits to existing clients.

During his ABC interview, Stanford complained that he had to fly commercial airlines after the federal government confiscated his six private jets.

"They make you take your shoes off and everything," he said. "It's terrible."

Stanford threatened to punch the interviewer when he was questioned about reported links to alleged money laundering for a Mexican drug cartel, charges he vehemently denied with the threat before backing down.

Before his arrest, Stanford faced an array of civil claims. He and his wife owe back taxes, penalties and interest of at least $226.5 million, the IRS said in court documents filed in Dallas, Texas, last March.

The final total could be even higher because the Stanfords have not filed their income tax return for 2007. The IRS says they owe $110 million in back taxes, $55.8 million in penalties and $60.7 million in interest for the 1999 through 2003 tax years.

The Securities and Exchange Commission has said that Stanford was behind "a fraud of shocking magnitude." FBI agents served Stanford with SEC papers accusing him and three of his companies of orchestrating a $9.2 billion investment fraud scheme.

With the filing, the IRS joins thousands of other creditors in the case who are seeking a crack at Stanford's remaining assets.

In February Antiguan and Barbudan regulators took control of Stanford's financial institutions on the twin-island nation, a day after federal agents served the Texas businessman with papers accusing him of running an investment fraud scheme.

In a complaint filed in February in federal court in Dallas, Texas, the Securities and Exchange Commission accused Stanford International Bank of using a network of financial advisers to sell about $8 billion of "certificates of deposit" to investors.

The bank boasted it had a unique investment strategy that had allowed it to reap double-digit returns on its investments for the previous 15 years, the SEC said.

The civil complaint alleged an additional scheme relating to $1.2 billion in sales.

Stanford's bank claimed its network had $51 billion in deposits and assets under management or advisement, with more than 70,000 clients in 140 countries.

The allegations against Stanford and his companies sparked runs on Stanford banks in Antigua and in Venezuela, where the government took over the local subsidiary in February after it recorded "extraordinary" withdrawals, according to Venezuela's superintendent of banks.

The SEC complaint also named James Davis, SIB's chief financial officer; Laura Pendergest-Holt, chief investment officer of Stanford Financial Group; and investment adviser Stanford Capital Management.

Stanford, who sponsored a cricket team and series of matches in Antigua, had his ties to the sport severed earlier this year when the England and Wales Cricket Board announced it would not play any further Stanford Twenty20 matches in Antigua as well as shelving plans for the Quadrangular Twenty20 events.

Under the deal struck between the ECB and financier Stanford last summer, England were due to play four further $20 million matches in the Caribbean, while the proposed Quadrangular events were scheduled to take place annually from 2009 to 2011, with each edition worth around $9 million.


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/stanford.fraud.charge/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 09, 2009, 08:38:30 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



 ::MonkeyCool::


Thanks TM!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 09, 2009, 09:28:01 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



 ::MonkeyCool::


Thanks TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you and good evening monkeys.  I am back from a few days in the mountains and it does take a while to catch up..... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 09:55:00 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



 ::MonkeyCool::


Thanks TM!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you and good evening monkeys.  I am back from a few days in the mountains and it does take a while to catch up..... :2waver:

Hi mere!  Glad you're back!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 09:58:20 PM
Janet,
I may not approve of all the methods of Dave Holloway, but I will not condemn him.
I do not know what is in his mind or his heart.  I know he has lost a child and has not
been able to find the remains of that child or the answers to what happened to her.
I would imagine he is tired and feels depleted.  I would imagine that he wants some peace.
That is how I would feel in such a situation.
I do not think for even one minute that Dave or Tim Miller or Peter R. DeVries would intentionally
do anything or take any amount of money to undermine the investigation into Natalee's disappearance.
I do not believe that any of those three men have that sort of character.  But, that is just my opinion
after following this sad story for over four years.
I do not think you would knowingly do anything to corrupt the investigation either and I respect you.
But that does not mean I see everything exactly as you do.
Now Robin is another story.

... and that is fine with me.  I would love it if everybody were to agree with my points of view but ... I know realistically that is not going to happen.  However ... I do want the freedom of expressing my positions ... positions that I do not arrive at lightly ... without being disrespectfully undermine.  I do not have a problem being alone in a crowd regarding opinion but ... I truly want to be one with others on this forum in our united quest for answers regarding a corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. 

Thank you Magnolia.

Janet

You can express your opinions until the cows come home.  Nobody has ever denied you that priviledge.
But you need to understand that a different opinion to yours is not undermining you or being disrespectful.
It is another monkey's opinion... just as yours is only your opinion.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 09:59:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62187.php

Google translation:

Large-scale smuggling gold from the Antilles and Aruba

September 9, 2009, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
  Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-inval-seroe-pela-_.gif)
 
Agents searching the home of Carlos Mercera in Seroe Pela in relation to the large-scale investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in Europe.

ORANGE CITY - The sons of Anthony and Carlos Mercera UPB-commissioner and former Minister Carlos Marcera Aruba and Bonaire were yesterday arrested in connection with a major investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in some European countries, including the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Justice is the research also encountered a large scale smuggling of gold from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

On Aruba, four searches made including the home of Carlos Marcera in Seroe Pela. These are documents, vehicles and gold were seized. On Bonaire were eighteen searches, namely, in eight homes, four government agencies and six companies. In total there were two arrests among them is Anthony Marcera. On Curaçao has been searched two houses and one commercial building was searched. There is hereby made an arrest, William Wijngaarde.

In those European countries took place two p.m. searches where two people were arrested. Besides the arrests that took place, several firearms, vehicles, vessels, aircraft, precious goods, a large amount of money and a quantity of gold seized.

Gold Smuggling

During the laundering investigation include views on widespread smuggling of gold received from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. These gold smuggling is related to an arrest on March 27 this year in the United States took place. While the arrested person is suspected of including substantial sums of money from the major drug trafficking (cocaine from Colombia). About accounts managed by that person in the U.S. in a short time more than eight billion U.S. dollars went.

The investigation is in progress and will not be limited to the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and Europe. Several arrests and searches are not excluded, says the prosecution of Curaçao.

 
Connection???

CNN) -- Texas billionaire Allen Stanford was taken into custody Thursday night on a fraud-related charge in Stafford, Virginia, the FBI said.

Allen Stanford, right, poses with his Antigua cricket team in November 2008.
 FBI Supervisory Special Agent M.A. Myers would not provide further details on Stanford's arrest, but his attorney, Dick DeGuerin, told CNN that Stanford had surrendered to agents.

Stanford, accused of a $9.2 billion fraud by U.S. regulators, denied all wrongdoing in a tearful interview in April during which he threatened to punch his questioner in the mouth.

"I would die and go to hell if it's a Ponzi scheme," Stanford, who was ranked at No. 205 in Forbes magazine's list of 400 richest Americans with assets of more than $2 billion, told ABC News.

The assets of Stanford and his financial groups, based in Antigua and the Caribbean, are frozen while the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigates allegations he ran "a massive Ponzi scheme," a pyramid scheme in which new investors' money is stolen to pay profits to existing clients.

During his ABC interview, Stanford complained that he had to fly commercial airlines after the federal government confiscated his six private jets.

"They make you take your shoes off and everything," he said. "It's terrible."

Stanford threatened to punch the interviewer when he was questioned about reported links to alleged money laundering for a Mexican drug cartel, charges he vehemently denied with the threat before backing down.

Before his arrest, Stanford faced an array of civil claims. He and his wife owe back taxes, penalties and interest of at least $226.5 million, the IRS said in court documents filed in Dallas, Texas, last March.

The final total could be even higher because the Stanfords have not filed their income tax return for 2007. The IRS says they owe $110 million in back taxes, $55.8 million in penalties and $60.7 million in interest for the 1999 through 2003 tax years.

The Securities and Exchange Commission has said that Stanford was behind "a fraud of shocking magnitude." FBI agents served Stanford with SEC papers accusing him and three of his companies of orchestrating a $9.2 billion investment fraud scheme.

With the filing, the IRS joins thousands of other creditors in the case who are seeking a crack at Stanford's remaining assets.

In February Antiguan and Barbudan regulators took control of Stanford's financial institutions on the twin-island nation, a day after federal agents served the Texas businessman with papers accusing him of running an investment fraud scheme.

In a complaint filed in February in federal court in Dallas, Texas, the Securities and Exchange Commission accused Stanford International Bank of using a network of financial advisers to sell about $8 billion of "certificates of deposit" to investors.

The bank boasted it had a unique investment strategy that had allowed it to reap double-digit returns on its investments for the previous 15 years, the SEC said.

The civil complaint alleged an additional scheme relating to $1.2 billion in sales.

Stanford's bank claimed its network had $51 billion in deposits and assets under management or advisement, with more than 70,000 clients in 140 countries.

The allegations against Stanford and his companies sparked runs on Stanford banks in Antigua and in Venezuela, where the government took over the local subsidiary in February after it recorded "extraordinary" withdrawals, according to Venezuela's superintendent of banks.

The SEC complaint also named James Davis, SIB's chief financial officer; Laura Pendergest-Holt, chief investment officer of Stanford Financial Group; and investment adviser Stanford Capital Management.

Stanford, who sponsored a cricket team and series of matches in Antigua, had his ties to the sport severed earlier this year when the England and Wales Cricket Board announced it would not play any further Stanford Twenty20 matches in Antigua as well as shelving plans for the Quadrangular Twenty20 events.

Under the deal struck between the ECB and financier Stanford last summer, England were due to play four further $20 million matches in the Caribbean, while the proposed Quadrangular events were scheduled to take place annually from 2009 to 2011, with each edition worth around $9 million.


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/stanford.fraud.charge/index.html

Interesting!  Thanks hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 10:09:17 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beth_twitty_small1.jpg)

Quote
I mean, it`s stunning that 48 hours into Natalee`s disappearance, I was asked by an Aruban detective if Natalee has a history of seizures or epilepsy. And when — and when I`m hearing Joran say that it looked like Natalee was having a seizure, and then he even — what makes me sick and I want to come through the screen and kill him, when he imitates her, he imitates her as she`s suffering. And that`s in a video clip with Patrick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 09, 2009, 10:12:13 PM


... and that is fine with me.  I would love it if everybody were to agree with my points of view but ... I know realistically that is not going to happen.  However ... I do want the freedom of expressing my positions ... positions that I do not arrive at lightly ... without being disrespectfully undermine.  I do not have a problem being alone in a crowd regarding opinion but ... I truly want to be one with others on this forum in our united quest for answers regarding a corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. 

Thank you Magnolia.

Janet

You can express your opinions until the cows come home.  Nobody has ever denied you that priviledge.
But you need to understand that a different opinion to yours is not undermining you or being disrespectful.
It is another monkey's opinion... just as yours is only your opinion.

Magnolia I have always agreed with almost everything you post about this case.  Your thoughts are well expressed and set out and they mirror a lot of my own opinions about Natalee's disappearance.

Sadly, opinions and thoughts that do not carry documentation are not so welcome these days, even though some documentation presented is only echoing others posts and their opinions.

I hope this thread will not become a one man band where any opposing or dissenting opinions are discouraged, even though this appears to be the current trend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 10:25:55 PM


... and that is fine with me.  I would love it if everybody were to agree with my points of view but ... I know realistically that is not going to happen.  However ... I do want the freedom of expressing my positions ... positions that I do not arrive at lightly ... without being disrespectfully undermine.  I do not have a problem being alone in a crowd regarding opinion but ... I truly want to be one with others on this forum in our united quest for answers regarding a corrupt Aruban investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. 


Thank you Magnolia.

Janet

You can express your opinions until the cows come home.  Nobody has ever denied you that priviledge.
But you need to understand that a different opinion to yours is not undermining you or being disrespectful.
It is another monkey's opinion... just as yours is only your opinion.

Magnolia I have always agreed with almost everything you post about this case.  Your thoughts are well expressed and set out and they mirror a lot of my own opinions about Natalee's disappearance.

Sadly, opinions and thoughts that do not carry documentation are not so welcome these days, even though some documentation presented is only echoing others posts and their opinions.

I hope this thread will not become a one man band where any opposing or dissenting opinions are discouraged, even though this appears to be the current trend.

But Tibro, it will never be documentation to me when one word of a quote is twisted to change the whole meaning.
I can see through that.  That is just plain wrong.
BTW....Good to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
I am sooo sorry.  I got my reply all up in the middle of something else.

I will try again:

But Tibro, it will never be documentation to me when one word of a quote is twisted to change the whole meaning.
I can see through that.  That is just plain wrong.
BTW....Good to see you!


{I fixed it = San}


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 09, 2009, 10:38:41 PM
Good to see you too Magnolia, along with all the other Monkeys.

I am usually here daily - mostly on the "guest list"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 10:40:08 PM
Hi Tibro!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope you will never let another's opinion of anything stop you from sharing yours here.

Differing opinions, interpretations of source material, life experiences, and so much more from each and every participant here is what makes this a great place to be for those who care about missing people; in this thread specifically...Natalee Holloway.  If we only accept or encourage the insight of a few of us, we will certainly miss out on great opportunities for thought provoking dialogue.  My first impression of so many things in this case has changed after considering others interpretation of the same information.  Even if my opinion stays the same on any topic, it's always interesting to me to know what others think.  I do get a bit excited and/or emotional with my feelings about some things like one particular article I posted yesterday.  But even then I'm only expressing my opinion, and welcome that of others even if it's the opposite of mine.  I hope I don't discourage others from sharing their opinion in those instances, it's certainly not my intent.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 09, 2009, 10:53:36 PM
Hi TexasMom   ::MonkeyCool::

No I have never felt discouraged from posting by any of your posts, and indeed from posts by most of the other monkeys.

My thoughts on the identity of the culprits remain the same since the first couple of weeks and only the method of disposal and cover up details have changed for me at times.

Also thank you for bringing those Aruban news items to us.  And I wish we had all studied Papiamento from the beginning - we would be so proficient in it now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 11:03:14 PM
Hi Tibro!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope you will never let another's opinion of anything stop you from sharing yours here.

Differing opinions, interpretations of source material, life experiences, and so much more from each and every participant here is what makes this a great place to be for those who care about missing people; in this thread specifically...Natalee Holloway.  If we only accept or encourage the insight of a few of us, we will certainly miss out on great opportunities for thought provoking dialogue.  My first impression of so many things in this case has changed after considering others interpretation of the same information.  Even if my opinion stays the same on any topic, it's always interesting to me to know what others think.  I do get a bit excited and/or emotional with my feelings about some things like one particular article I posted yesterday.  But even then I'm only expressing my opinion, and welcome that of others even if it's the opposite of mine.  I hope I don't discourage others from sharing their opinion in those instances, it's certainly not my intent.




Nicely put, TM. ::MonkeyGavel::

I know I get mouthy sometimes, but it is never my intention to discourage anyone.....unless it is one of those old
drive by posters.
Sometimes I can stay quiet for days. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
Hi TexasMom   ::MonkeyCool::

No I have never felt discouraged from posting by any of your posts, and indeed from posts by most of the other monkeys.

My thoughts on the identity of the culprits remain the same since the first couple of weeks and only the method of disposal and cover up details have changed for me at times.

Also thank you for bringing those Aruban news items to us.  And I wish we had all studied Papiamento from the beginning - we would be so proficient in it now.

Thank you Tibro.   ::MonkeyCool::

About the Aruban news...you're welcome!  Just when I think I might understand some of the language...it seems like it changes. Almost at times seems like just one more effort to keep us in the dark about some things.  But I won't stop trying!

::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 11:13:03 PM
Hi Tibro!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope you will never let another's opinion of anything stop you from sharing yours here.

Differing opinions, interpretations of source material, life experiences, and so much more from each and every participant here is what makes this a great place to be for those who care about missing people; in this thread specifically...Natalee Holloway.  If we only accept or encourage the insight of a few of us, we will certainly miss out on great opportunities for thought provoking dialogue.  My first impression of so many things in this case has changed after considering others interpretation of the same information.  Even if my opinion stays the same on any topic, it's always interesting to me to know what others think.  I do get a bit excited and/or emotional with my feelings about some things like one particular article I posted yesterday.  But even then I'm only expressing my opinion, and welcome that of others even if it's the opposite of mine.  I hope I don't discourage others from sharing their opinion in those instances, it's certainly not my intent.




Nicely put, TM. ::MonkeyGavel::

I know I get mouthy sometimes, but it is never my intention to discourage anyone.....unless it is one of those old
drive by posters.

Sometimes I can stay quiet for days. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know what you mean about those drive by's...I said a few things myself..well that I might not have ever even considered before... ::MonkeyTongue:: fortunately Klaas has taken care of that problem for us.  Attacks are completely different from a differing opinion, and I think we've all seen enough of both to know the difference right away.

I always appreciate your input, and miss it when you are quiet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 11:16:53 PM


Where's Anna?  Has she been here and I've just missed her?

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 09, 2009, 11:22:29 PM


Where's Anna?  Has she been here and I've just missed her?

TIA

I haven't seen her.  She would be defending her Peter R. though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 11:29:08 PM


Where's Anna?  Has she been here and I've just missed her?

TIA

I haven't seen her.  She would be defending her Peter R. though.

Thanks Magnolia, I think so too!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beth_twitty_small1.jpg)

Quote
I mean, it`s stunning that 48 hours into Natalee`s disappearance, I was asked by an Aruban detective if Natalee has a history of seizures or epilepsy. And when — and when I`m hearing Joran say that it looked like Natalee was having a seizure, and then he even — what makes me sick and I want to come through the screen and kill him, when he imitates her, he imitates her as she`s suffering. And that`s in a video clip with Patrick.

I just listened to this show of Dana's again, I recommend it to everyone!  It was a great show....Red calls in at the end too!

Dana's guests were:
Beth Holloway, Peter R. DeVries
Art Wood, former Secret Service agent discussing the Natalee Holloway case.
Mike McIntyre - Mike, host of “Crime and Punishment”, weighs in on the Natalee Holloway story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 09, 2009, 11:57:16 PM
Good Night, Night Crew......need to update the flu thread....see you tomorrow.
Tick Tock..... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 09, 2009, 11:58:47 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Warning:  Very bad head injury, lots of blood.

I don't know what the story is yet, but this looks like a critical injury to me.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1699&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

59 minuut happen | fecha: 09/09/2009 | horario: 22:47

police investigando one cap serious at cabes of one victima in oranjestad

diaranzon night owing to enter informe cu have one person cu is all at blood bent abao in avenida alo tromp, at once owing to dirigi one patrol y ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to constata cu was have one victima all at blood throw abao cu one cap serious at cabes. at once owing to solicita ambulance cu much urgencia already cu the victima owing to lose much blood. at arrival of ambulance owing to of trip they owing to solicita police for open caminda for they already cu the situation is much critico. is deal here of the victima w. police is investigando the caso here already cu have two version. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 12:01:10 AM
Good Night, Night Crew......need to update the flu thread....see you tomorrow.
Tick Tock..... :2waver:

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 10, 2009, 12:24:56 AM
Good Night, Night Crew......need to update the flu thread....see you tomorrow.
Tick Tock..... :2waver:

Where's the flu thread??????????? Didn't know we had one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 12:31:34 AM
Good Night, Night Crew......need to update the flu thread....see you tomorrow.
Tick Tock..... :2waver:

Where's the flu thread??????????? Didn't know we had one.

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::

Here's the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4942.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 10, 2009, 12:33:03 AM
Good Night, Night Crew......need to update the flu thread....see you tomorrow.
Tick Tock..... :2waver:

Where's the flu thread??????????? Didn't know we had one.

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::

Here's the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4942.0




Thanks Texasmom. You should be getting some rain soon. We have tons coming for the next few days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 01:09:50 AM
Good Night, Night Crew......need to update the flu thread....see you tomorrow.
Tick Tock..... :2waver:

Where's the flu thread??????????? Didn't know we had one.

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::

Here's the link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4942.0


Thanks Texasmom. You should be getting some rain soon. We have tons coming for the next few days.

yw cajun miracle!  It's been so hot here the past few days we can use the rain, just hope it doesn't come with bad storms!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 01:12:35 AM
9/9/2009 Bondia page 17

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09092009_Bondia_Pg17a-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation of text on the right:

judge for do you self are you believe is fair cu first minister y minister of turism is sell not platform cu gruponan spano y place bread of more of 200 father y mother of family at danger? 11 member of parliament of mep y all minister is complice of the inhusticia here come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 10, 2009, 01:26:10 AM
People will not always agree.That is just part of human nature!The focus was,is,and always will be Justice for Natalee Holloway..Period!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 02:02:09 AM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Warning:  Very bad head injury, lots of blood.

I don't know what the story is yet, but this looks like a critical injury to me.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1699&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

59 minuut happen | fecha: 09/09/2009 | horario: 22:47

police investigando one cap serious at cabes of one victima in oranjestad

diaranzon night owing to enter informe cu have one person cu is all at blood bent abao in avenida alo tromp, at once owing to dirigi one patrol y ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to constata cu was have one victima all at blood throw abao cu one cap serious at cabes. at once owing to solicita ambulance cu much urgencia already cu the victima owing to lose much blood. at arrival of ambulance owing to of trip they owing to solicita police for open caminda for they already cu the situation is much critico. is deal here of the victima w. police is investigando the caso here already cu have two version. come across

http://awemainta.com/home/

9/10/2009 Awe Mainta Page 5

Papiamentu translation:

man achieve throw downstairs at blood fast panderia moderna

diaranson night police owing to wordo calling at height of one internet café near of bakery moderna. at the lugar police owing to on account of achieve one man throw downstairs. according one version he will have to owing to cay y cap his cabes. one another version is cu he owing to wordo bad beat by of one muher. according some of the personana present the victim was like drink. still do not cla what can owing to happen in the caso here. by cu the victim self was in one stado enough bad police not can owing to throw up afo what owing to happen exactly. he owing to wordo transporta cu urgencia for hospital cu begeleiding of police. police still is investigando the caso here y is ask cualkier witness of the suseso here for can favor take contacto cu police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 02:12:54 AM
9/9/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09092009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

at aruba also had entrance hudicial, relaciona cu one organisacion criminal internacional

is talk of one organisacion criminal very big self, cu is dedica they self at business of gold, traficacion of cocaina y labamento of coin, where have person of aruba also meti. one team combina of the netherlands, merca, alemania, belgica, corsow, bonaire y aruba owing to dicidi of haci entradanan hudicial for busca more proof. (lesa more on pagina 2.)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09092009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion big internacional for labamento of coin at còrsow, bonaire, aruba y europa

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio público of antias dutch owing to begin at 2008 cu one investigacion complicá y on escala big dirigí on prácticanan of labamento of coin provided that relacion cu traficacion organize internacional of drugs.

listramento at aruba, bonaire, còrsow y europa
 
in cuadro of the investigacion criminal internacional, yesterday confiscacionnan did take lugar at one cantidad big of sitio at antias dutch, aruba y at some country european, among they the netherlands, bèlgica y austria.

in the same cuadro here yesterday during morning y tra’i mèrdia had at bonaire one overall of 18 caso of listramento, esta in 8 cas, 4 instancia of gobièrno y at 6 business. at overall at bonaire owing to haci 2 detencion of a.w. de g. y a.p.m.

at còrsow owing to listra at 2 cas y one edificio of business. here owing to detené one persona: w.b.v.w. at aruba owing to listra at 4 cas. at aruba also owing to detené one person, esta c.m., person procedente of bonaire, trahando actualmente at aruba. together n’e islands abc had 25 caso of listramento of cas y edificio.

finalmente 14 caso of listramento did take lugar n’e paisnan european, already mencioná caminda owing to detené 2 person.

aparte of the detencionnan, owing to confiscá various also arm of candela, vehicle, one boat, one plane, artículonan of value, one great cantidad of coin y one cantidat of gold.

contrabanda of gold

during the investigacion in asunto d and labamento of coin owing to find pista the.o. of contrabanda of gold atrabes of aruba y antias dutch. the contrabanda of gold here is relacioná cu one detencion cu did take lugar day 27 of march the year here at merca. is suspect the person cu they owing to detené of traficacion on escala big of drugs (cocaina procedente of colombia). more cu 8 thousand miyon dòler owing to happen in time còrto atrabes of cuentanan at merca cu the person here was manehá.

listramento at bonaire

during the investigacion at antias dutch owing to surgi also the suspicion cu some person at bonaire owing to cometé hechonan castigabel for ley cu is relatá at fraude dentro of the administracion público. the conocido ‘zwartboek bonaire’, redactá for fundacion good gobernacion bonaire, jopie giskus y evening willem, already owing to describí the presunto procedimentonan of some of the personanan here. in the cuadro of the suspicion cu owing to arise here, yesterday morning early the listramento mencioná did take lugar among another at home of two person at bonaire. the.o. at home of ramoncito booi. not owing to detené the residentenan. also owing to listra at various instancia gubernamental at bonaire.

socionan of cooperacion

on encargo y bao of guia of ministerio público of antias, ehecucion of the investigacion is in hand of the team of cooperacion of rechèrche of the netherlands, antias dutch y aruba (recherche samenwerkingsteam, rst), provided that cooperacion cu cuerpo policial of còrsow (kpc), of bonaire (kpb), of aruba (kpa), douane of antias dutch, of aruba y guardacosta of antias dutch y aruba.

the partnernan of cooperacion at the netherlands t’e servicio nacional of rechèrche of the cuerpo nacional of servicionan policial (klpd), rechèrche federal, the office ’ontnemingswetgeving’ of ministerio público (boom), parkèt funcional at in haag, parkèt nacional at rotterdam y fiod-ecd.

finalmente, the partnernan internacional of cooperacion t’e instancia mericano drugs enforcement administration (dea), police federal hudicial at bèlgica, bundes criminal ambt of alemania y bundes criminal polizei of austria.

in the investigacion here ministerio público of antias dutch is work together cu esnan of aruba, the netherlands, bèlgica, austria y alemania. the casonan of detencion y listramento at còrsow, bonaire y aruba owing to requerí envolvimento di: 4. huez comisario, 4 fiscal y more cu 100 acolyte policial.

the investigacion is andando y the next phase will do not abridge at antias dutch, aruba y europa. not can excluí cu will have more caso of detencion y listramento.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 02:37:05 AM
People will not always agree.That is just part of human nature!The focus was,is,and always will be Justice for Natalee Holloway..Period!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 02:38:06 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
See ya later monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2009, 06:33:28 AM
Booi, Elhage homes raided in
drug, money-laundering probe

~ Colombian cartel links suspected ~

BONAIRE--The homes of opposition UPB leader Ramoncito Booi and UPB member Burney Elhage were raided by Dutch detectives Tuesday morning in connection with an investigation into money-laundering, gold-smuggling, real estate fraud and international drug trafficking.

Elhage’s office at Bonaire’s Flamingo Airport also was searched and equipment was seized as possible evidence in the case.

Authorities in Holland and the Netherlands Antilles also arrested five suspects on Tuesday, including two women who are believed to be involved. The raids in Holland yielded three firearms, including a Kalashnikov assault rifle, ammunition, computers, mobile phones, three cars and a large number of records that will be carefully reviewed.

The Prosecutor’s Office of the Netherlands Antilles is coordinating the investigation and described the motives for the raids as “presumptions of fraud-related offences committed by people within the public administration in Bonaire.” These offences were discovered during a major year-long money-laundering investigation in the Antilles and in Europe.

Within the scope of this coordinated international criminal investigation, confiscations took place at a number of locations in Curaçao, Bonaire and Aruba, and in several European countries, including Holland, Belgium and Austria.

The Prosecutor’s Office in Holland also disclosed that the main suspect in the investigation, a 39-year-old Dutchman W.V.W., had been arrested in Bonaire Tuesday morning. He was suspected of having been on his way to South America to regulate another drug shipment to Holland via West Africa. He will be extradited to Holland.

Some 18 searches were conducted in Bonaire: eight homes, four government agencies and six company premises. Two arrests took place in Bonaire. Searches of two homes and one commercial property took place in Curaçao and one person was arrested there. One arrest was made and searches took place at four homes in Aruba.

The Prosecutor’s Office said the investigation was far from over and would not be limited to the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and Europe. More house searches and arrests were not excluded.

While investigating the money-laundering practices, a large-scale gold-smuggling ring via Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles was uncovered. This gold-smuggling is related to a March 27 arrest in the US. The detained person is suspected of large-scale drug trafficking of cocaine out of Colombia. More than eight billion dollars had gone through the US accounts this person was managing.

A separate but related investigation and subsequent raid in April discovered almost 4.5 million dollars in a safe house in Holland. Authorities suspect this money was for a narcotic shipment coming from West Africa via Colombia, using Colombian cartel connections for shipments of more than 2,000 pounds.

Ramonsito Booi is in the United States with his son. When reached via phone by Amigoe newspaper, he said he had heard of the raid, but was not aware of the reason. “I cannot reach my wife,” Amigoe reported Booi as saying. “Maybe she’s been told not to answer the phone.”

No indication was given whether he would return to Bonaire.

Burney Elhage could not be reached by phone.

Local media in Bonaire also reported that a Cessna airplane at Flamingo Airport had been confiscated.

The criminal investigation is being conducted by the Kingdom Detective Cooperation Team RST, a team of cooperating Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles and Aruba detectives, in cooperation with the Curaçao Police Force KPC, Bonaire Police Force KPB, Aruba Police Force KPA, Customs Services of the Netherlands Antilles and of Aruba, Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and a number of foreign investigation services.

The international coalition parties to this investigation are American Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), federal judicial police of Belgium, German Bundes Kriminal Ambt and Austrian Bundes Kriminal Polizei.

The alleged actions of a number of the individuals mentioned were described vividly in the famous Black Book Bonaire prepared by Fundashon Bon Gobernashon Boneiru.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m098/booim098.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2009, 12:50:21 PM
The latest in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Nothing new is available yet as far as documentation:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
11/16/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (cont from 9-15-09 per stip signed9-3-09)

05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial


Documents filed but not available yet:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 10, 2009, 01:10:08 PM
Thanks TxMom!

"...the private investors selected by the Minsitry of Tourism and Transportation and not to conduct a tender process."

Well then.  That would be why we never, ever saw the results of the tender process on the MTBS website - because Mr Edison Breisen himself told them not conduct one - that he'd already awarded the contracts privately.

Now to find out who all those companies/individuals are.....

9/9/2009 Bondia page 17

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09092009_Bondia_Pg17a-1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation of text on the right:

judge for do you self are you believe is fair cu first minister y minister of turism is sell not platform cu gruponan spano y place bread of more of 200 father y mother of family at danger? 11 member of parliament of mep y all minister is complice of the inhusticia here come across
::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 01:18:04 PM
The latest in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  Nothing new is available yet as far as documentation:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
11/16/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (cont from 9-15-09 per stip signed9-3-09)

05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial


Documents filed but not available yet:

09/03/2009 Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINS THE ESTATE OF SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES, INC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (TO CONT. THE HEARIN ON PLNTF MOTIONS TO COMPEL FROM 9-15-09 TO 11-16-09 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (ORDER TO EXTEND DISCOVERY CUT-OFF DATES )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

09/03/2009 Stipulation and Order (DISMISSING WITH PREJ ALL OF PLNTF CLAIMS AGAINST THE ESTATE OF JAMIE SKEETERS AND SECURITY CONSULTANT SERVICES.... )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent


Thanks Klaas!

I know there is something I am not getting but ... a professional I would think a  comparison of the Jamie Skeeter hard drive with the recording that was heard by Phil McGraw's viewing  audience should reveal the truth in regards to the defamation of Deepak Kalpoe.  Was the Dr. Phil recording deceptively manipulated?  Yes?  No?

Considering both Aruba and the Kalpoes' attorney contend that the Peter Devries recording exonerates the Kalpoes from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ... Phil McGraw's recording had better be on the up and up or ... Aruba and the Kalpoes win big time.

Janet

+++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Ladies and Gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


THE KALPOES' ATTORNEY

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP) ―   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 01:34:16 PM

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2009, 05:22:43 PM
Jaime Skeeters stated what he heard, besides recording it.  All three pimps may very well have had sex/raped Natalee and perhaps K2 do not know the aftermath. Both the tape and Peter R. could be correct.


Thanks, Klaas for checking on the lawsuit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2009, 05:27:30 PM
O/T

From a previous discussion, on another site:

How is it that there was not enough evidence to search the Sloot main house but yet, they could confiscate the two cars?? Who saw a Sloot out driving to enable a search of the Sloot vehicles?  The neighbors? K2? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 05:57:18 PM
Jaime Skeeters stated what he heard, besides recording it.  All three pimps may very well have had sex/raped Natalee and perhaps K2 do not know the aftermath. Both the tape and Peter R. could be correct.


Thanks, Klaas for checking on the lawsuit.

Peter Devries stands by his position that Joran van der Sloot gave a "full" confession .. a "full" confession which exonerates the Kalpoe brothers.
Janet

+++++


Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


<snipped>

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 06:22:15 PM
Jaime Skeeters stated what he heard, besides recording it.  All three pimps may very well have had sex/raped Natalee and perhaps K2 do not know the aftermath. Both the tape and Peter R. could be correct.


Thanks, Klaas for checking on the lawsuit.

Buckeye ... somehow I do not believe that there was anything on Skeeters hard drive that would implicate the Kalpoe brothers in the happenings encompassing what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Why would Aruba (Deepak) file a lawsuit that had the ability of exposing to America wrongdoing on his part in the events encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.  The Aruban "powers that be" must believe that they have a solid case in regards to the recording on the Skeeters hard drive.

I somehow suspect ... I could be wrong ... that that the McGraw recording was deceptively manipulated and this is the reason McGraw's attorneys are after documentation ... documentation that prove that Deepak was not defamed.

However ... now that Aruba has declared the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case because of the words of Joran on the Devries' recording ... I do not believe the McGraw's attorneys will ever get their hands on any documentation.  In other words ... a professional comparison between the recording on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive and the McGraw's "edited" recording will stand along.

IMO

Janet

+++++


The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. PhilLOS ANGELES (AP)
―   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 10, 2009, 06:24:56 PM
Jaime Skeeters stated what he heard, besides recording it.  All three pimps may very well have had sex/raped Natalee and perhaps K2 do not know the aftermath. Both the tape and Peter R. could be correct.


Thanks, Klaas for checking on the lawsuit.

Peter Devries stands by his position that Joran van der Sloot gave a "full" confession .. a "full" confession which exonerates the Kalpoe brothers.
Janet

+++++


Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


<snipped>

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


NANCY GRACE - FEBRUARY 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


Janet,
In my opinion a "full confession"  has nothing to do with Peter R. DeVries thoughts about Paulus and the
Kalpoes.  It means that Joran has confessed to what happened to Natalee.  Joran has confessed to
the fact that Natalee had a seizure and did not respond when he shook her and he or someone else
dumped her in the sea.  DeVries did not lie to Beth.  Joran did confess.
Was every word that Joran spoke the truth?  I guess nobody knows but Joran.
But I think some of what Joran told Patrick in the Land Rover was true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 06:26:12 PM
self-edit

will stand along. s/b will stand alone.
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 06:48:34 PM
I could be wrong and ... if I am I will gladly eat crow but ... considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case thanks to the Devries recording ... Phil McGraw will not be permitted access to investigation documentation thus forcing an undisclosed settlement awarded to the Kalpoes (Aruba).  In other words ... the outcome of the comparison between the Skeeter's hard drive and the McGraw recording will never be known.

I wonder how the settlement will be split.

IMO

Janet

+++++++


THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Ladies and Gentlemen


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 10, 2009, 06:50:21 PM
Peter is as trustworthy as Paulus in my opinion.

Peter must be promised some of the financial gain that Paulus has promised to the Kalpoe brothers over the lawsuit against the richest woman in the world.. oh ya, and Dr. Phil too.

Taking Truth and believable confession from a proven liar... ????


It does not get any better then that..  Total absurd.

The Kalpoe brothers were there... They were driving the car and are as much a part of this as Joran.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 10, 2009, 06:56:03 PM
Peter is as trustworthy as Paulus in my opinion.

Peter must be promised some of the financial gain that Paulus has promised to the Kalpoe brothers over the lawsuit against the richest woman in the world.. oh ya, and Dr. Phil too.

Taking Truth and believable confession from a proven liar... ????


It does not get any better then that..  Total absurd.

The Kalpoe brothers were there... They were driving the car and are as much a part of this as Joran.



Marcos,Marcos,Marcos???How,as well as who,put Marcos in contact with Tim & Dave?Inquiring minds want to know..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 10, 2009, 08:00:28 PM
I am not going to predict the outcome of a law case and certainly not start splitting the money.

I believe that the California court has a sworn statement from Larry Garrison that states that Deepak,
in discussing a book deal, disclosed to him that all three of them had sex with Natalee.
I think Jamie Skeeters said the same thing.
The judge has already ruled that Jamie Skeeters did not defame the Kalpoes or ruin their reputation
because they were already newsworthy....thus the widow can sue the Kalpoes for her legal fees.
If the Kalpoes are no longer considered suspects, then they should have no trouble obtaining all of the
records out of Aruba to turn over to the court.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 08:20:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62259.php

Google translation:

Dutch expelled by tightening entry requirements

September 10, 2009, 14:50 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Under Dutch Europe since late last month after customs created considerable unrest she refuses to leave the country. This is according to Dutch customs maximum stay of 180 days per calendar year exceed. This did not. Since the introduction of the new computer system can better track how long the Dutch immigration here to stay. Those who exceed the 180 days is thus plotted.

Another problem is the uncertainty about the residence rule. In which European Foreign Policy Admission Dutch maximum 180 days per consecutive calendar may reside on the island. The rule applied was that someone was up to 180 days in Aruba should stay, then thirty days away after they had anything in his way back to 180 days to stay in Aruba. That has changed recently, the admission of the government organization, Dimas, eventually.

Initially, let a member of the call center Dimas still know that rule 180 days in Aruba thirty days away still in force. Beircht This is the supervisor of the Immigration Service at the airport denied. He also claims that a European Dutchman always here 180 days per twelve months but may stay. "It always has been, but nobody has ever checked. The new computer system we were using the stamps in the passports the days count. That was not done. Now we have a new system of control easy. "

Better communication

After ten days finally manages to get clarity of Dimas. According to Deputy Director Ayesha Staring Engelbrecht was indeed recently the immigration counts how many days someone has been on the island. "No one without authorization, may here longer than 180 days per calendar year stay," said Engelbrecht.

Engelbrecht also explains that the government understands that in a calendar year on the first day someone comes to Aruba, goes. "It can also run in August." This decision was also confusion among European Dutch because they think that one calendar year from January to December. Engelbrecht says that she currently has contact
with a "small number" Dutch in the same boat. These people said the deputy director "have come to a solution" that they do more than 180 days in Aruba may reside. This group must be in possession of a 'letter rentiers'.

"It is true that the control system 180 days should have communicated better," said Engelbrecht. "It is a measure unsympathetic, but I do want that the current rules by everyone respected."

The immigration service is the Admission of Foreign Policy in November 2007 changed since last month. Soundings of Engelbrecht provides only one paper dealing with the admission requirements for tourists stand. The document is dated September 8, two days ago. It is certainly the word "contiguous" far far away that difference of interpretation between the injured leading Dutch and European government. On this basis, the Dutch thought after 180 days in Aruba and thirty days abroad, could return, some even more than ten years until last month was tolerated.

No sunny Christmas

The Dutch group is now a European debate on the Internet started. It and other editors have received the responses, it appears that the victims are reluctant to pull the bell to the public. This particular fear of "reprisals". "We now spend only money is," said one response. Others also wonder why Aruba is so severe because they do not rely on welfare. Many have half home, and remain registered and insured in the Netherlands.

A couple who are half house advises: "When the immigration Aruba has the number of days I've been counted. The plan was that we would come back for Christmas. Now I know not. I see it not be when I come back here for Christmas, chances are that I am sent back. "Another comment:" We are very regular in Aruba, but no longer know where we are, we actually dare Dimas or not to call the customs because we do not want to wake sleeping dogs. "

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 08:30:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62255.php

ARUBA

Ex-Commissioner Coysi Krozendijk under fire

September 10, 2009, 14:46 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - After a weekend all ex-senior police officer - Chu Rincones - was arrested for illegal gun possession, this week the recently retired police Coizy Krozendijk associated with illegal weapons possession. His ex-partner declaration would have done so Papiamento-language media reported, after the house upside Krozendijk had achieved. Against agents they would then also have said that the police officer had a gun in the house. Krozendijk would the police confirmed yesterday. The gun he had been sent to a family in Curacao. The prosecutor would not comment on the case, except that the former commissioner is not respected as the media claimed. A source within the police confirmed that the case against Krozendijk investigation in the search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 08:33:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62254.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New search Jossy Herrera

September 10, 2009, 14:44 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/10-aruba-zoektocht-jossy-he.gif)


Jossy Herrera (left) with his family before his disappearance.

ORANGE CITY - The family of Jossy Herrera, who has been missing two months, next Saturday is another quest in the near Alto Vista and Bushiribana. The search takes place in cooperation with the investigation including, police and the Red Cross and starts at the Chapel of Alto Vista at half past seven in the morning.

The family urges anyone who wants to help to come forward. The search area is quite large and because the more people, the more effective the search. "After two months, nobody knows how close one could find in nature. But it is important for the family to find him so they can rest and find a suitable way to say goodbye to. And he was still alive, they can help him back healthy and happy, "said Call.

Addicted to sleeping pills and severely depressed Jossy Herrera, known as a composer of Christmas and Mother's songs, walked from his house two months ago and did not return. He would have been reported several times but, after several searches and calls, still not found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 10, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
Peter is as trustworthy as Paulus in my opinion.

Peter must be promised some of the financial gain that Paulus has promised to the Kalpoe brothers over the lawsuit against the richest woman in the world.. oh ya, and Dr. Phil too.

Taking Truth and believable confession from a proven liar... ????


It does not get any better then that..  Total absurd.

The Kalpoe brothers were there... They were driving the car and are as much a part of this as Joran.



Marcos,Marcos,Marcos???How,as well as who,put Marcos in contact with Tim & Dave?Inquiring minds want to know..... ::MonkeyCool::


You are so right my friend..
Chasing this fellow is worth while because of what it might bring.. His connection to others and WHY or the reality behind Marcos himself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 10, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
Paulus himself is the push behind the lawsuit.. He is not the representing attorney but an advisor to the representing attorney.
 He is and always has been directly involved in that push and He Is A Suspect in this case.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 09:07:15 PM
SPECULATION IS WHERE IT IS AT!

Tamikosmom is not on the same page as Lifesong and Klaas regarding this topic but ... considering the judge's ruling regarding the defamation lawsuit has yet to happen ... speculating the outcome is where it is at.

It would be a happy day for Tamikosmom if she was wrong in her speculation and ... Lifesong and Klaas were right.  A measure of justice in the Natalee Holloway case will have been realized.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

++++++

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #482 on: May 05, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »


About the Kalpoe lawsuit...

I don't believe for a minute Dr. Phil is anywhere close to offering a settlement this case.  That is just an Aruban pipedream!

Here is the link again to the transcript of Skeeters tape.  The entire tape has to be allowed into evidence.  Read the transcript again and consider the actual claims of the lawsuit.  The Kalpoe's simply cannot win this. 

I spent a while the other night reading back through it.  Seriously, if you read the whole thing and put yourself on the jury...no way 7 of 12 American jurors will award these scum a dime.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #483 on: May 05, 2009, 01:24:04 PM »


Lifesong - I agree.  If they were going to settle it would have happened a long time ago.  They have no plans on settling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
SPECULATION IS WHERE IT IS AT!

Tamikosmom is not on the same page as Lifesong and Klaas regarding this topic but ... considering the judge's ruling regarding the defamation lawsuit has yet to happen ... speculating the outcome is where it is at.

It would be a happy day for Tamikosmom if she was wrong in her speculation and ... Lifesong and Klaas were right.  A measure of justice in the Natalee Holloway case will have been realized.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

++++++

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #482 on: May 05, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »


About the Kalpoe lawsuit...

I don't believe for a minute Dr. Phil is anywhere close to offering a settlement this case.  That is just an Aruban pipedream!

Here is the link again to the transcript of Skeeters tape.  The entire tape has to be allowed into evidence.  Read the transcript again and consider the actual claims of the lawsuit.  The Kalpoe's simply cannot win this. 

I spent a while the other night reading back through it.  Seriously, if you read the whole thing and put yourself on the jury...no way 7 of 12 American jurors will award these scum a dime.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #483 on: May 05, 2009, 01:24:04 PM »


Lifesong - I agree.  If they were going to settle it would have happened a long time ago.  They have no plans on settling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940

 



The suit against Skeeters was dismissed without prejudice.  If he did not defame Deepak and the tape is as he stated, then  the tape has them all having sex.  Maybe some believe it was consensual so there is no case.  Deepak also stated he didn't know where the body was.  After the DeVries tape, Mos said they were looking at murder charges.  Maybe K2 can not be charged....Deepak didn't admit that. I think "murder"/ disposal is what DeVries stated the K2 were not guilty.

I am sure they all felt that they could tie up this case until they were cleared...they all hoped for a trial.  Eight million $$$ plus AHATA revenge on Dr. Phil is enough to stall and continue the case.  The Aruban powers knew they would never turn over the real info.  They all hoped for a settlement.  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
SPECULATION IS WHERE IT IS AT!

Tamikosmom is not on the same page as Lifesong and Klaas regarding this topic but ... considering the judge's ruling regarding the defamation lawsuit has yet to happen ... speculating the outcome is where it is at.

It would be a happy day for Tamikosmom if she was wrong in her speculation and ... Lifesong and Klaas were right.  A measure of justice in the Natalee Holloway case will have been realized.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

++++++

Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #482 on: May 05, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »


About the Kalpoe lawsuit...

I don't believe for a minute Dr. Phil is anywhere close to offering a settlement this case.  That is just an Aruban pipedream!

Here is the link again to the transcript of Skeeters tape.  The entire tape has to be allowed into evidence.  Read the transcript again and consider the actual claims of the lawsuit.  The Kalpoe's simply cannot win this. 

I spent a while the other night reading back through it.  Seriously, if you read the whole thing and put yourself on the jury...no way 7 of 12 American jurors will award these scum a dime.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #483 on: May 05, 2009, 01:24:04 PM »


Lifesong - I agree.  If they were going to settle it would have happened a long time ago.  They have no plans on settling.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg796940;topicseen#msg796940

 



The suit against Skeeters was dismissed without prejudice.  If he did not defame Deepak and the tape is as he stated, then  the tape has them all having sex.  Maybe some believe it was consensual so there is no case.  Deepak also stated he didn't know where the body was.  After the DeVries tape, Mos said they were looking at murder charges.  Maybe K2 can not be charged....Deepak didn't admit that. I think "murder"/ disposal is what DeVries stated the K2 were not guilty.

I am sure they all felt that they could tie up this case until they were cleared...they all hoped for a trial.  Eight million $$$ plus AHATA revenge on Dr. Phil is enough to stall and continue the case.  The Aruban powers knew they would never turn over the real info.  They all hoped for a settlement.  IMO

EXACTLY!!!

This is why I believe that only the disputed segment of the Phil recording is the issue ... the segment that Deepak claims was deceptively manipulated from the original Skeeters' recording ... the segment that defamed him.

I cannot comprehend why both Phil McGraw and the Kalpoes attorneys do not request a professional comparison of the two recordings and ... the outcome will determine the winner of the defamation lawsuit.  Is that too simple?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 10, 2009, 09:47:36 PM
The Dr. Phil recording was what Skeeter's said Deepak said, that's why Deepak sued both of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 09:57:23 PM
The Dr. Phil recording was what Skeeter's said Deepak said, that's why Deepak sued both of them.

Buckeye

If that was the case why would Deepak (Aruba) file this lawsuit against Phil McGraw.  It would be so simply to prove.  A professional comparison would be were it was at.  The outcome would be so predictable.  Aruba would lose and ... the world would be reminded of what Deepak said.  What would be Aruba's advanatage ... motivation?

My speculation is that Aruba knows beyond a doubt that Phil McGraw's recording was deceptively manipulated and ... this is why McGraw's attorneys are attempting to get investigative documentation to prove defamation.

Please be patient with me Buckeye.  I real do not get it.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
Self Edit

to prove defamation s/b to prove there was no defamation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



 ::MonkeyCool::



::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 10, 2009, 10:39:26 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:04:09 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:05:33 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:07:48 PM
 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
8:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: msmarple on September 11, 2009, 01:05:47 AM
Hi Monkeys,


I just dropped into change clothes, and say Hey. I still try to read here.

Many thanks to texasmom for keeping up with the mayhem. You're an  ::MonkeyAngel:: !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 11, 2009, 01:30:47 AM
There is no Natalee here to say any sex was consenual .. So because this is a missing person/murder case, it was rape.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 11, 2009, 03:56:35 AM
I read every day...whether I'm at home in San Diego county, overseas on business (Singapore, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, London, Bahrain - or vacationing in Minn - Saint Paul or Dallas) and I have got to say....
I'm here because of all the dedicated Monkeys that have stayed the course to demand Justice for Natalee...
So I have got to ask each and every one here........That when some things are floated and even pushed that go beyond what some may feel exceed their personal  comforts zones....please, can we just address the issues and leave out the hard felt emotions...in order to critically evaluate those "things/issues'?
We are where we are at because Natalee has not received the Justice that she (or any American) deserves! We are here because Natalee's Family has not received the justice they deserve.
The critical questions/concerns raised because of the perceived actions by the aruba powers that be, perps(urine/paulass/k2/guido/freddie)/OM/ALE/american traitors on aruba/persistence american traitors are fair game for questioning.......
I want to add...questioning Robin/Dave/Tim Miller/Peter D. is ALSO fair game after 4 plus years if it leads to Justice for Natalee...wrt their actions..Folks...this is a blog dedicated to obtaining Justice for Natalee.....   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 11, 2009, 03:58:49 AM
Good Night good Monkeys.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 11, 2009, 04:01:27 AM
There is no Natalee here to say any sex was consenual .. So because this is a missing person/murder case, it was rape.
Edward...right on...
Consensual means...both parties agree...if one party can't agree (missing) then the burden of proof rests with the other party.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 11, 2009, 04:07:22 AM
I read every day...whether I'm at home in San Diego county, overseas on business (Singapore, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, London, Bahrain - or vacationing in Minn - Saint Paul or Dallas) and I have got to say....
I'm here because of all the dedicated Monkeys that have stayed the course to demand Justice for Natalee...
So I have got to ask each and every one here........That when some things are floated and even pushed that go beyond what some may feel exceed their personal  comforts zones....please, can we just address the issues and leave out the hard felt emotions...in order to critically evaluate those "things/issues'?
We are where we are at because Natalee has not received the Justice that she (or any American) deserves! We are here because Natalee's Family has not received the justice they deserve.
The critical questions/concerns raised because of the perceived actions by the aruba powers that be, perps(urine/paulass/k2/guido/freddie)/OM/ALE/american traitors on aruba/persistence american traitors are fair game for questioning.......
I want to add...questioning Robin/Dave/Tim Miller/Peter D. is ALSO fair game after 4 plus years if it leads to Justice for Natalee...wrt their actions..Folks...this is a blog dedicated to obtaining Justice for Natalee.....   
Sentimentally...I want to give Dave/Tim M./Peter d...a pass.....critically, I want Justice for Natalee.....
I'll go with my critical gut feeling until Justice for Natalee is gained....at the end of the day....I'm not undermining anyone by choosing the path to Justice, wherever it may lead....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2009, 09:05:39 AM
This is from the Law Dictionary on Dismissal with Prejudice:

Dismissal with Prejudice

A dismissal with prejudice is a judgment rendered in a lawsuit on its merits that prevents the plaintiff from bringing the same lawsuit against the same defendant in the future. It is a harsh remedy that has the effect of canceling the action so that it can never again be commenced. A dismissal with prejudice is res judicata as to every issue litigated in the action.

The possibility of such a dismissal acts as a deterrent to the use of dilatory tactics by a plaintiff who wants to prejudice a defendant's case by unreasonably hindering the disposition of the action from the time of the filing of the action to the actual trial of the issues. It is also designed to minimize, if not eliminate, the congestion of court calendars caused by unnecessary delays in pending cases. Because it is regarded as a drastic remedy, courts grant dismissals with prejudice only in the most egregious cases in response to a motion brought by a defendant or by a court sua sponte, or on its own will.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
By President George W. Bush, 9/12/2001

President Bush's comments last night in a nationally televised address:

Today, our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts. The victims were in airplanes or in their offices. Secretaries, business men and women, military and federal workers. Moms and dads. Friends and neighbors.

Thousands of lives were suddenly ended by evil, despicable acts of terror.

The pictures of airplanes flying into buildings, fires burning, huge structures collapsing, have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness, and a quiet, unyielding anger.

These acts of mass murder were intended to frighten our nation into chaos and retreat. But they have failed. Our country is strong. A great people has been moved to defend a great nation.

Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America. These acts shatter steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve.

America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world. And no one will keep that light from shining.

Today, our nation saw evil, the very worst of human nature, and we responded with the best of America, with the daring of our rescue workers, with the caring for strangers and neighbors who came to give blood and help in any way they could.

Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans. Our military is powerful, and it's prepared. Our emergency teams are working in New York City and Washington, D.C., to help with local rescue efforts.

Our first priority is to get help to those who have been injured and to take every precaution to protect our citizens at home and around the world from further attacks.

The functions of our government continue without interruption. Federal agencies in Washington, which had to be evacuated today, are reopening for essential personnel tonight and will be open for business tomorrow.

Our financial institutions remain strong, and the American economy will be open for business as well.

The search is underway for those who are behind these evil acts. I've directed the full resources for our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.

I appreciate so very much the members of Congress who have joined me in strongly condemning these attacks. And on behalf of the American people, I thank the many world leaders who have called to offer their condolences and assistance.

America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world and we stand together to win the war against terrorism.

Tonight I ask for your prayers for all those who grieve, for the children whose worlds have been shattered, for all whose sense of safety and security has been threatened. And I pray they will be comforted by a power greater than any of us spoken through the ages in Psalm 23: ''Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil for you are with me.''

This is a day when all Americans from every walk of life unite in our resolve for justice and peace. America has stood down enemies before, and we will do so this time.

None of us will ever forget this day, yet we go forward to defend freedom and all that is good and just in our world.

Thank you. Good night and God bless America


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 11:20:38 AM
The Attack on America September 11, 2001 … DO YOU REMEMBER, PLEASE DO NOT EVER FORGET
 
Eight years ago this morning, September 11, 2001 it was cool beautiful Fall morning when it happened. Then it happened again.  Please take time in your day to remember and reflect back on that day and the following days after September 11. Take time to remember and say a prayer ...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/09/11/the-attack-on-america-september-11-2001-do-you-remember-please-do-not-ever-forget/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 11, 2009, 11:34:24 AM
I read every day...whether I'm at home in San Diego county, overseas on business (Singapore, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, London, Bahrain - or vacationing in Minn - Saint Paul or Dallas) and I have got to say....
I'm here because of all the dedicated Monkeys that have stayed the course to demand Justice for Natalee...
So I have got to ask each and every one here........That when some things are floated and even pushed that go beyond what some may feel exceed their personal  comforts zones....please, can we just address the issues and leave out the hard felt emotions...in order to critically evaluate those "things/issues'?
We are where we are at because Natalee has not received the Justice that she (or any American) deserves! We are here because Natalee's Family has not received the justice they deserve.
The critical questions/concerns raised because of the perceived actions by the aruba powers that be, perps(urine/paulass/k2/guido/freddie)/OM/ALE/american traitors on aruba/persistence american traitors are fair game for questioning.......
I want to add...questioning Robin/Dave/Tim Miller/Peter D. is ALSO fair game after 4 plus years if it leads to Justice for Natalee...wrt their actions..Folks...this is a blog dedicated to obtaining Justice for Natalee.....   
Sentimentally...I want to give Dave/Tim M./Peter d...a pass.....critically, I want Justice for Natalee.....
I'll go with my critical gut feeling until Justice for Natalee is gained....at the end of the day....I'm not undermining anyone by choosing the path to Justice, wherever it may lead....

Some great posts Billb!For me,tough,thought provoking dialogue is where it's at.I may not agree with the opposing view at the time but,may change my view in time.That's what happens when two DIFFERENT views are discussed,dissected,discussed some more and potentially you may have a change of view.If not,that's OK!EACH and EVERY MONKEY brings something valuable to the table.We are givin a platform to voice our opinions for Justice thanx to Red,Klaas as well as the other Mods."IF" you choose to NOT voice your opinion,that is your choice and only your choice!Justice for Natalee Holloway is where it's at!

KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 12:30:10 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Lifesong
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #807 3/12/09 -
« Reply #360 on: March 14, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »


No, Kyle.  No.  You were not FORCED to sit back and hope for the best.  YOU CHOSE to sit back and hope for the best.  There are a number of things YOU could have done.  YOU could have contacted the FBI.  YOU could have contacted Tim Miller.  YOU could have contacted the family.   

INSTEAD you chose, that's right Kyle, YOU CHOSE to participate in the attempted PIMPING of the only evidence not absconded with by the Arubans, the ROV videos.

You, KYLE KINGMAN, need to stop acting like you were one of the good guys.  YOU CHOSE at the time to do exactly what ALE did, and that is WITHHOLD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE.  And if you think talking to the Freebirds redeemed you, you're wrong.  Because when it came time to sh*t or get off the pot - you LIED, MADE THREATS OVER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY and finally, RAN AWAY.  You CHOSE, Kyle Kingman, to do everything in your power to PROTECT THE PIMPING OF THE ROV VIDEOS.

Shame right on you.

JMO and only MO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4675.msg720012;topicseen#msg720012


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 01:28:59 PM
Why in the planning stages of the Persistent undertaking was a letter of invitation not obtained from Aruba affording permission for FBI respresentation to be on board.  Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were aware of the dynamics encompassing the corrupt investigation that had prevented justice from prevailing since the get go.  How did these two men reason that collaborating with the enemy without FBI representation in this huge endeavor was going to yield a positive outcome.  Monkeys questioned Kyle Kingman (oceanexploration) regarding this issue from the getgo.

Janet

++++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:25 PM »


Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help.  They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust.  Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time.  We've helped each other however and whenever we can.  They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right.  I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning.  Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332457;topicseen#msg332457



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 01:32:29 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 01:36:47 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 02:46:35 PM
There was a time prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... in the name of answers to what happened to his precious daughter ... Dave Holloway did not hold back in regards to his words and actions.  He did not just hope for the best outcome ... he pursued that  outcome with thought out actions and words.

Dave's book "Corruption in Paradise" which was released six months prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... reveals the strength and determination of Natalee's father.  His words within the covers of that book exposes without reservation the corrupt Aruban investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing.

Why was Dave Holloway not more forceful in the planning stages of the Persistence undertaking in regards to Aruban protocol which would have afforded FBI presence on board?  Logic dictates that in his heart he must have realized that without this presence ... the costly endeavor was for naught ... the Aruban coverup that was preventing him from bringing Natalee home would only be furthered. 

Janet

++++++++++++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9/10:
Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance, Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and his brother Satish. Beth had informed him of them after receiving information about videotapes taken from the security cameras outside of the Holiday Inn and in the hotel's casino. It had been determined that they were the last people to be seen with her.  Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel.  However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.


'On the Record w/ Greta' - November 17, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 02:53:37 PM
Natalee Holloway's uncle cannot comprehend the recovery process of the contents of the trap ... the contents of the trap that may have been the remains of his niece.

Janet

+++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 11, 2009, 03:49:11 PM
(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9886/daveemailtodompig3fs.jpg)
Emails between Dave Holloway and Dompig.

Dompig related to Kalpoe brothers thru marriage. Son, Michael Dompig related to Kalpoe brothers, friends with Kawish Misier, part of Pond Hoax with RV. Orchestrated!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
Kermit

Thank you.  I have missed you.

I am in the dark regarding the gist of the email from Dave Holloway to Gerold Dompig.  However ... the response says it all regarding how Dompig regards the father of Natalee.

Again ... Dave Holloway's on going relationship with Mark Purcell and John Silvetti as well as his standing with ATU/AHATA implies that question must be asked if answers are to be forthcoming.

If we were talking Tamikosmom rather than Dave Holloway ... believe me ... questions would be ask on this forum and ... opinions would be forthcoming.  Hey ... the cause of justice for Natalee would demand it.

Janet


++++++


MIP6 (MARK PURCELL) – JUNE 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »
 

 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people
.
The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together..   
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Kermit

Who is Dennis?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
Dennis Jacobs?

Kermit ... come out ... come out ... wherever you are.

  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 06:02:23 PM
Hi Monkeys,


I just dropped into change clothes, and say Hey. I still try to read here.

Many thanks to texasmom for keeping up with the mayhem. You're an  ::MonkeyAngel:: !

I'm so glad to see you dropped by msmarple!  :smt052


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
I read every day...whether I'm at home in San Diego county, overseas on business (Singapore, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, London, Bahrain - or vacationing in Minn - Saint Paul or Dallas) and I have got to say....
I'm here because of all the dedicated Monkeys that have stayed the course to demand Justice for Natalee...
So I have got to ask each and every one here........That when some things are floated and even pushed that go beyond what some may feel exceed their personal  comforts zones....please, can we just address the issues and leave out the hard felt emotions...in order to critically evaluate those "things/issues'?
We are where we are at because Natalee has not received the Justice that she (or any American) deserves! We are here because Natalee's Family has not received the justice they deserve.
The critical questions/concerns raised because of the perceived actions by the aruba powers that be, perps(urine/paulass/k2/guido/freddie)/OM/ALE/american traitors on aruba/persistence american traitors are fair game for questioning.......
I want to add...questioning Robin/Dave/Tim Miller/Peter D. is ALSO fair game after 4 plus years if it leads to Justice for Natalee...wrt their actions..Folks...this is a blog dedicated to obtaining Justice for Natalee.....   

Hi billb!  I don't really know what to say about this....I'm thinking about it.

But I'm glad to see you were here!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
This is from the Law Dictionary on Dismissal with Prejudice:

Dismissal with Prejudice

A dismissal with prejudice is a judgment rendered in a lawsuit on its merits that prevents the plaintiff from bringing the same lawsuit against the same defendant in the future. It is a harsh remedy that has the effect of canceling the action so that it can never again be commenced. A dismissal with prejudice is res judicata as to every issue litigated in the action.

The possibility of such a dismissal acts as a deterrent to the use of dilatory tactics by a plaintiff who wants to prejudice a defendant's case by unreasonably hindering the disposition of the action from the time of the filing of the action to the actual trial of the issues. It is also designed to minimize, if not eliminate, the congestion of court calendars caused by unnecessary delays in pending cases. Because it is regarded as a drastic remedy, courts grant dismissals with prejudice only in the most egregious cases in response to a motion brought by a defendant or by a court sua sponte, or on its own will.


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 06:55:49 PM
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Valero Refinery

ORANGE CITY - Negotiations between the government and oil company PetroChina are in a deadlock. The oil company would not comment on the substantive conditions that the Aruban Government. PetroChina will also include a large number of foreign workers to bring the refinery profits and low pay.

Meanwhile the government pay 200 million florin in a social fund, if it loses BBO-litigation against Valero. The Amigoe able to capitalize on a letter from Prime Minister Nelson Oduber to Shaolin Li, representative of Petro China International America Inc.. In this letter, Oduber that the government "is positive relative to Petro China and in relation to any owner / operator of the refinery that meets the conditions."
The first of the four conditions in the letter to Petro China stand out is that there should be maximum employment Arubans. Also should there be a reasonable tax payments with a simple and uniform tax structure. As a third condition that Oduber "hard and verifiable agreements on investment" that should be "continuity and survival of the refinery for the long term guarantees." Finally the Government stlet condition that the new owner / operator of the refinery should meet international environmental standards for refineries, as Kyoto and Texas Standard.

Investment Promise
Petro China was not willing to open a conversation in which conditions to treat. The oil company wanted by the government only a written response to a number of conditions imposed by it. Petro China is so "largely foreign workers and contractors' efforts and minimize the profit tax, plus relief from almost all other taxes and levies. In addition, there is an actual investment promise. Petro China also wants the same set of agreements regarding environmental conditions as those in Coastal had made twenty years ago. In the opinion of the government, these conditions still were adequate in 1998, "obsolete".

Still willing
The Government of Aruba was still accept the wishes of PetroChina for a written response, but got a letter back on September 4 "is a generalization, but without the necessary substantive response." Premier Oduber closes the letter off by saying that Aruba readiness to negotiate "a fair and open manner with regard to the interests and capabilities of both parties, including those of the people of Aruba." He is again attached to the four main conditions which it earlier, but does indicate that the timing and interpretation of those points can be negotiated. "But then subject to the assumptions made by Aruba in all contacts with PetroChina unchanged and consistently expressed" said Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

PetroChina has been some time the main candidate for acquisition of the Valero refinery now closed. Negotiations between the two companies seemed a long time to put at risk because they could not agree on a price. There are also talks between PetroChina and the Aruban government policy regarding investments and the tax conditions which will operate the refinery. In earlier interviews, Prime Minister Oduber expressed its willingness to accommodate candidates as much as possible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
I read every day...whether I'm at home in San Diego county, overseas on business (Singapore, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, London, Bahrain - or vacationing in Minn - Saint Paul or Dallas) and I have got to say....
I'm here because of all the dedicated Monkeys that have stayed the course to demand Justice for Natalee...
So I have got to ask each and every one here........That when some things are floated and even pushed that go beyond what some may feel exceed their personal  comforts zones....please, can we just address the issues and leave out the hard felt emotions...in order to critically evaluate those "things/issues'?
We are where we are at because Natalee has not received the Justice that she (or any American) deserves! We are here because Natalee's Family has not received the justice they deserve.
The critical questions/concerns raised because of the perceived actions by the aruba powers that be, perps(urine/paulass/k2/guido/freddie)/OM/ALE/american traitors on aruba/persistence american traitors are fair game for questioning.......
I want to add...questioning Robin/Dave/Tim Miller/Peter D. is ALSO fair game after 4 plus years if it leads to Justice for Natalee...wrt their actions..Folks...this is a blog dedicated to obtaining Justice for Natalee.....   
Sentimentally...I want to give Dave/Tim M./Peter d...a pass.....critically, I want Justice for Natalee.....
I'll go with my critical gut feeling until Justice for Natalee is gained....at the end of the day....I'm not undermining anyone by choosing the path to Justice, wherever it may lead....

Some great posts Billb!For me,tough,thought provoking dialogue is where it's at.I may not agree with the opposing view at the time but,may change my view in time.That's what happens when two DIFFERENT views are discussed,dissected,discussed some more and potentially you may have a change of view.If not,that's OK!EACH and EVERY MONKEY brings something valuable to the table.We are givin a platform to voice our opinions for Justice thanx to Red,Klaas as well as the other Mods."IF" you choose to NOT voice your opinion,that is your choice and only your choice!Justice for Natalee Holloway is where it's at!

KTF

Thank you billb and Keepthefaith.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

My suspicions encompassing underlying motivations of Peter Devries, Tim Miller as well as Dave and Robin Holloway in regards to relationships with the enemy are out of my comfort zone but ... I sincerely believe ... at this point in time ... there is something very wrong.  I treaded softly in the beginning and even justified because I cared but ... as time has gone on my emotions regarding Devries, Miller and the Holloways has progressed to anger at what I consider a betrayal of Natalee Holloway.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2009, 08:19:40 PM
My anger is directed mainly at Joran Van der Sloot, whose name is so rarely mentioned now.

I am also angry with the Kalpoes, Paulus and Anita, the Aruban Police, Oduber, Van der Stratten.

I am not at all happy with Clive Van der Linde, Julia Renfro, Mark Purcell, the four headed CapsLockWizard,
Charles Croes, the crew of the Persistence or Rene Gielen.......all of which aided and abetted Joran.

But I try not to let emotions come into my thought process. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
My anger is directed mainly at Joran Van der Sloot, whose name is so rarely mentioned now.

I am also angry with the Kalpoes, Paulus and Anita, the Aruban Police, Oduber, Van der Stratten.

I am not at all happy with Clive Van der Linde, Julia Renfro, Mark Purcell, the four headed CapsLockWizard,
Charles Croes, the crew of the Persistence or Rene Gielen.......all of which aided and abetted Joran.

But I try not to let emotions come into my thought process. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 08:42:49 PM
Magnolia ... I dislike all of those you mentioned.  However ... anger with me implies I care.  Only those who betray that I had held in high regard can cause me grief ... make me angry.

Does that make sense?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
Magnolia ... I dislike all of those you mentioned.  However ... anger with me implies I care.  Only those who betray that I had held in high regard can cause me grief ... make me angry.

Does that make sense?

Janet


If it makes sense to you...then it is OK with me.

Personally, every time I look at a picture of Joran my blood boils and I want to puke.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2009, 09:02:47 PM
I honestly think that we have looked at this case for so long that we have forgotten who the
real criminals are.  We are looking for someone to lay the blame on.  Because of the Aruban
cover-up, there is no one to take down because they destroyed all of the evidence.
So we keep looking for someone to blame.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
I dislike Joran intensely but I dislike his parents even more ... parents that never taught this young man that legal and moral boundaries of a civilized society were established for the well-being of him and others.

Hey ... Paulus directly abetted Joran and ... the Aruban "powers that be" directly abetted Joran in wrongdoing ... wrongdoing that began the chain of events that led to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++


PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT - THE ENABLER

'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - April. 4, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

Dana Pretzer:
One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy Mansur:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 09:22:55 PM
I honestly think that we have looked at this case for so long that we have forgotten who the
real criminals are.  We are looking for someone to lay the blame on.  Because of the Aruban
cover-up, there is no one to take down because they destroyed all of the evidence.
So we keep looking for someone to blame.

There is a lot of blame to go around ... beginning with those involved in the happening encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway disappeared ... those in the Aruban/Dutch administration involved in the coverup to deny justice and ... those involved in the Persistence endeavor who assisted in furthering the Aruban coverup to deny justice.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 11, 2009, 09:48:37 PM
To the Monkey Bunch..Me thinks your posts and words do get read,and or relayed to those you despise most in Aruba... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 10:41:10 PM
My anger is directed mainly at Joran Van der Sloot, whose name is so rarely mentioned now.

I am also angry with the Kalpoes, Paulus and Anita, the Aruban Police, Oduber, Van der Stratten.

I am not at all happy with Clive Van der Linde, Julia Renfro, Mark Purcell, the four headed CapsLockWizard,
Charles Croes, the crew of the Persistence or Rene Gielen.......all of which aided and abetted Joran.

But I try not to let emotions come into my thought process. ::MonkeyDevil::

I could feel my blood pressure rising from just reading the names.   ::MonkeyMad:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 11, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
Does anyone here have any contact with "PrivateEye"??? I would sure like to know his take on things in the last year and a half.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 10:48:23 PM
Does anyone here have any contact with "PrivateEye"??? I would sure like to know his take on things in the last year and a half.

Me too.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 10:53:09 PM


Hi mere!   :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2009, 11:09:23 PM
Does anyone here have any contact with "PrivateEye"??? I would sure like to know his take on things in the last year and a half.

I have thought the same a hundred times.  I saw him in the rafters last fall when all
of the Kyle stuff broke, but he never posted.
When he was posting here, I didn't realize he was Beth's brother, but I liked him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 11, 2009, 11:13:10 PM
Good evening and Hi to you too TM.....

I did write and edit and re-write a post and never hit the button....sometimes
it just isn't meant to be....lol.

Will be here for the duration....sitting on a branch....... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 11:15:19 PM
To the Monkey Bunch..Me thinks your posts and words do get read,and or relayed to those you despise most in Aruba... ::MonkeyBike::

... and the family.

Hi Keepthefaith.

My hubby and BIL are fishing so my neighbour has taken pity on my this week and ... filled in as my Scrabble partner.  I looked out the window and her company just left so ... I am hoping she will be here shortly.  The board is all set up ready to go.

Good Night All.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
8:15 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 11:25:46 PM
When it comes to Peter DeVries, I have a hard time believing that he would sacrifice his career and reputation by participating in a scheme to further the Aruban coverup of the crimes against Natalee.  I haven't seen anything yet that convinces me it's true. 

My own eyes tell me that Joran wasn't "acting" in those discussions with Patrick.

In all the time since the recordings were shown in Holland and to a lesser extent in American, I have yet to see one indication from Beth, Dave, or any respectable former or current law enforcement official; that the whole thing was an act.

When it comes to Dave, he said after the show aired that he believed the revelations.  Since then he paid to have the pond searched.  I don't believe that in itself is an indication that he didn't believe what Peter DeVries revealed.  I think it was more of an effort to clear any doubt about that pond....and I think we ALL know who deliberately planted that doubt.

JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 11:29:50 PM
To the Monkey Bunch..Me thinks your posts and words do get read,and or relayed to those you despise most in Aruba... ::MonkeyBike::

... and the family.

Hi Keepthefaith.

My hubby and BIL are fishing so my neighbour has taken pity on my this week and ... filled in as my Scrabble partner.  I looked out the window and her company just left so ... I am hoping she will be here shortly.  The board is all set up ready to go.

Good Night All.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
8:15 PM PT


Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
To the Monkey Bunch..Me thinks your posts and words do get read,and or relayed to those you despise most in Aruba... ::MonkeyBike::

... and the family.

Hi Keepthefaith.

My hubby and BIL are fishing so my neighbour has taken pity on my this week and ... filled in as my Scrabble partner.  I looked out the window and her company just left so ... I am hoping she will be here shortly.  The board is all set up ready to go.

Good Night All.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
8:15 PM PT


Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 11, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
When it comes to Peter DeVries, I have a hard time believing that he would sacrifice his career and reputation by participating in a scheme to further the Aruban coverup of the crimes against Natalee.  I haven't seen anything yet that convinces me it's true. 

My own eyes tell me that Joran wasn't "acting" in those discussions with Patrick.

In all the time since the recordings were shown in Holland and to a lesser extent in American, I have yet to see one indication from Beth, Dave, or any respectable former or current law enforcement official; that the whole thing was an act.

When it comes to Dave, he said after the show aired that he believed the revelations.  Since then he paid to have the pond searched.  I don't believe that in itself is an indication that he didn't believe what Peter DeVries revealed.  I think it was more of an effort to clear any doubt about that pond....and I think we ALL know who deliberately planted that doubt.

JMO




I agree with all you said, TM. ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 11:33:38 PM
Good evening and Hi to you too TM.....

I did write and edit and re-write a post and never hit the button....sometimes
it just isn't meant to be....lol.


Will be here for the duration....sitting on a branch....... :2waver:


Now I'm just going to have to wonder what you wanted to say!   :smt090



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 11, 2009, 11:49:20 PM
Looks like Diario has changed their website.  I kept wondering why it hadn't been updated!

http://www.diario.aw/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 12:29:06 AM
I read every day...whether I'm at home in San Diego county, overseas on business (Singapore, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, London, Bahrain - or vacationing in Minn - Saint Paul or Dallas) and I have got to say....
I'm here because of all the dedicated Monkeys that have stayed the course to demand Justice for Natalee...
So I have got to ask each and every one here........That when some things are floated and even pushed that go beyond what some may feel exceed their personal  comforts zones....please, can we just address the issues and leave out the hard felt emotions...in order to critically evaluate those "things/issues'?
We are where we are at because Natalee has not received the Justice that she (or any American) deserves! We are here because Natalee's Family has not received the justice they deserve.
The critical questions/concerns raised because of the perceived actions by the aruba powers that be, perps(urine/paulass/k2/guido/freddie)/OM/ALE/american traitors on aruba/persistence american traitors are fair game for questioning.......
I want to add...questioning Robin/Dave/Tim Miller/Peter D. is ALSO fair game after 4 plus years if it leads to Justice for Natalee...wrt their actions..Folks...this is a blog dedicated to obtaining Justice for Natalee.....   

Hi billb!  I don't really know what to say about this....I'm thinking about it.

But I'm glad to see you were here!   ::MonkeyCool::
Hi Texasmom,
just came in to catch up on today's posts....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 12:31:47 AM
My anger is directed mainly at Joran Van der Sloot, whose name is so rarely mentioned now.

I am also angry with the Kalpoes, Paulus and Anita, the Aruban Police, Oduber, Van der Stratten.

I am not at all happy with Clive Van der Linde, Julia Renfro, Mark Purcell, the four headed CapsLockWizard,
Charles Croes, the crew of the Persistence or Rene Gielen.......all of which aided and abetted Joran.

But I try not to let emotions come into my thought process. ::MonkeyDevil::
Me too Magnolia....
I just want us to all go forward to gain Justice for Natalee........
Which we are....we have been here for 4 + yrs.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 12:36:03 AM


Good to see you billb!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:48:44 AM
My Scrabble partner just scooted home for a minute.  Thought I would check in.  Thought I may be missing something.  Anyways ... I am winning so far.  Just made it big with a triple score using my Q.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
9:50 PM PT




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 12:52:24 AM
My Scrabble partner just scooted home for a minute.  Thought I would check in.  Thought I may be missing something.  Anyways ... I am winning so far.  Just made it big with a triple score using my Q.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
9:50 PM PT




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:55:49 AM
My Scrabble partner just scooted home for a minute.  Thought I would check in.  Thought I may be missing something.  Anyways ... I am winning so far.  Just made it big with a triple score using my Q.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
9:50 PM PT




(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Thanks texasmom.  I have missed our little laughing girl.  She makes me smile.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 12:58:58 AM
Here what I think about Peter DV....Dave H. and Tim M.
I have the utmost respect for all three of them....saying that:
Peter DV.....he is a criminal investigative reporter that starts out every time with the end game of exposing the perps through a series of shows.....with ratings always in mind...(that is his livelihood).
He will take one, two, three or more series to get his target(s)......If the last attempt with urine confession got conviction of urine for his crimes against Natalee.....he would be done with urine and moving on to other targets (paulass/k2/OM/ALE/govt/???) He isn't done at all.....he will get as many as he can until the truth comes out.....

Tim M.: played his cards on persistence and did not get the results he wanted (Bringing Natalee home)...
Playing the cards dealt at that/this time and won't bite his nose to spite his face.....he will take help from louis and john to further his agenda for other victims...but always looking for another chance to forward Justice for Natalee...

Dave H......same as Tim M....not caving in to aruba agenda but steely determination to get Justice for Natalee....bending but never broken...I don't agree with his relationship with american traitors....but......that is what it is....
Soooo.
we can question their motives through real time investigation to help forward our goal (Justice for Natalee....closure for the family.....nailing the perps) with understanding of their pressures/motives without compromising our respect for Peter...Dave...Tim....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 01:10:12 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 12, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
Here what I think about Peter DV....Dave H. and Tim M.
I have the utmost respect for all three of them....saying that:
Peter DV.....he is a criminal investigative reporter that starts out every time with the end game of exposing the perps through a series of shows.....with ratings always in mind...(that is his livelihood).
He will take one, two, three or more series to get his target(s)......If the last attempt with urine confession got conviction of urine for his crimes against Natalee.....he would be done with urine and moving on to other targets (paulass/k2/OM/ALE/govt/???) He isn't done at all.....he will get as many as he can until the truth comes out.....

Tim M.: played his cards on persistence and did not get the results he wanted (Bringing Natalee home)...
Playing the cards dealt at that/this time and won't bite his nose to spite his face.....he will take help from louis and john to further his agenda for other victims...but always looking for another chance to forward Justice for Natalee...

Dave H......same as Tim M....not caving in to aruba agenda but steely determination to get Justice for Natalee....bending but never broken...I don't agree with his relationship with american traitors....but......that is what it is....
Soooo.
we can question their motives through real time investigation to help forward our goal (Justice for Natalee....closure for the family.....nailing the perps) with understanding of their pressures/motives without compromising our respect for Peter...Dave...Tim....



Good post Billb. Have a great weekend! Justice for Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:24:03 AM
Here what I think about Peter DV....Dave H. and Tim M.
I have the utmost respect for all three of them....saying that:
Peter DV.....he is a criminal investigative reporter that starts out every time with the end game of exposing the perps through a series of shows.....with ratings always in mind...(that is his livelihood).
He will take one, two, three or more series to get his target(s)......If the last attempt with urine confession got conviction of urine for his crimes against Natalee.....he would be done with urine and moving on to other targets (paulass/k2/OM/ALE/govt/???) He isn't done at all.....he will get as many as he can until the truth comes out.....

Tim M.: played his cards on persistence and did not get the results he wanted (Bringing Natalee home)...
Playing the cards dealt at that/this time and won't bite his nose to spite his face.....he will take help from louis and john to further his agenda for other victims...but always looking for another chance to forward Justice for Natalee...

Dave H......same as Tim M....not caving in to aruba agenda but steely determination to get Justice for Natalee....bending but never broken...I don't agree with his relationship with american traitors....but......that is what it is....
Soooo.
we can question their motives through real time investigation to help forward our goal (Justice for Natalee....closure for the family.....nailing the perps) with understanding of their pressures/motives without compromising our respect for Peter...Dave...Tim....


Thanks billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 01:25:51 AM
Here what I think about Peter DV....Dave H. and Tim M.
I have the utmost respect for all three of them....saying that:
Peter DV.....he is a criminal investigative reporter that starts out every time with the end game of exposing the perps through a series of shows.....with ratings always in mind...(that is his livelihood).
He will take one, two, three or more series to get his target(s)......If the last attempt with urine confession got conviction of urine for his crimes against Natalee.....he would be done with urine and moving on to other targets (paulass/k2/OM/ALE/govt/???) He isn't done at all.....he will get as many as he can until the truth comes out.....

Tim M.: played his cards on persistence and did not get the results he wanted (Bringing Natalee home)...
Playing the cards dealt at that/this time and won't bite his nose to spite his face.....he will take help from louis and john to further his agenda for other victims...but always looking for another chance to forward Justice for Natalee...

Dave H......same as Tim M....not caving in to aruba agenda but steely determination to get Justice for Natalee....bending but never broken...I don't agree with his relationship with american traitors....but......that is what it is....
Soooo.
we can question their motives through real time investigation to help forward our goal (Justice for Natalee....closure for the family.....nailing the perps) with understanding of their pressures/motives without compromising our respect for Peter...Dave...Tim....



Good post Billb. Have a great weekend! Justice for Natalee
Thanks cajun miracle....
Justice for Natalee is where it is at!
Have a great weekend also.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 01:41:38 AM
 ::MonkeyBike:: The computer room at the nursing home is now closing..Night Crew will you please turn off your computer's..... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 01:41:51 AM
Good Night good monkeys.....




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 01:43:48 AM
Good Night good monkeys.....




O'Lord Billb..What timing on your post! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:47:46 AM
Good Night good monkeys.....




Good night billb!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 12, 2009, 01:47:53 AM
Good Night....Weekend Night Crew

Don't worry about the computer room at the nursing home...I know the night supervisor....
she would rather have you in the computer room than sitting around the nursing station... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:49:22 AM
::MonkeyBike:: The computer room at the nursing home is now closing..Night Crew will you please turn off your computer's..... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:50:27 AM
Good Night....Weekend Night Crew

Don't worry about the computer room at the nursing home...I know the night supervisor....
she would rather have you in the computer room than sitting around the nursing station... :2waver:

 ::MonkeyCheer4::


Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 01:50:46 AM
Good Night....Weekend Night Crew

Don't worry about the computer room at the nursing home...I know the night supervisor....
she would rather have you in the computer room than sitting around the nursing station... :2waver:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: They are now speaking papiemento at the nursing home to accomodate TM.. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:57:34 AM
Good Night....Weekend Night Crew

Don't worry about the computer room at the nursing home...I know the night supervisor....
she would rather have you in the computer room than sitting around the nursing station... :2waver:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: They are now speaking papiemento at the nursing home to accomodate TM.. ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 02:01:31 AM
Good Night....Weekend Night Crew

Don't worry about the computer room at the nursing home...I know the night supervisor....
she would rather have you in the computer room than sitting around the nursing station... :2waver:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: They are now speaking papiemento at the nursing home to accomodate TM.. ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
 


Looks like Briesen & Aruba think they're in a position to bargain with the chinese in regards to the refinery!What'd the chinese say?They wanna bring in there own workers?Cheaper pay,more profit!Briesen and Aruba wants mostly Arubans.For what?So they can skim of the top! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 02:07:28 AM
Will return in an hr...Mere can do her magic on the nurses at the nurse station so i may get back in the computer room when there not looking! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 12, 2009, 02:21:59 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 02:44:45 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 02:45:56 AM
::MonkeyBike:: The computer room at the nursing home is now closing..Night Crew will you please turn off your computer's..... ::MonkeyTongue::
Nope!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 02:47:10 AM
Good Night....Weekend Night Crew

Don't worry about the computer room at the nursing home...I know the night supervisor....
she would rather have you in the computer room than sitting around the nursing station... :2waver:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: They are now speaking papiemento at the nursing home to accomodate TM.. ::MonkeyBike::
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 02:49:06 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...

I understand if you need a break, we all do sometimes.  But I'll miss you!   :cry:

I always look forward to your take on things, and the smiles you bring too....

Kermit posted earlier today...the email between Dompig and Dave Holloway, I'm thinking there is probably more to come on that.  Hoping so anyway.

Hope you'll be back soon!   :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 02:50:38 AM


Hi hotping!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 02:54:10 AM
Hi TM.....I have been wondering all day about the post of Kermit's....I hope We hear more soon!  billb is not playing fair.....I will miss Him also! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 02:56:53 AM
Hi TM.....I have been wondering all day about the post of Kermit's....I hope We hear more soon!  billb is not playing fair.....I will miss Him also! 

I know...all of the sudden this is how I feel...

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Gn9DIEYjjFiSJM:http://a2.vox.com/6a00c2251fecfa8fdb00e398b738ba0001-500pi)   ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 02:58:07 AM
(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9886/daveemailtodompig3fs.jpg)
Emails between Dave Holloway and Dompig.

Dompig related to Kalpoe brothers thru marriage. Son, Michael Dompig related to Kalpoe brothers, friends with Kawish Misier, part of Pond Hoax with RV. Orchestrated!

More Please.....Kermit!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 02:59:54 AM
Hi TM.....I have been wondering all day about the post of Kermit's....I hope We hear more soon!  billb is not playing fair.....I will miss Him also! 

I know...all of the sudden this is how I feel...

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Gn9DIEYjjFiSJM:http://a2.vox.com/6a00c2251fecfa8fdb00e398b738ba0001-500pi)   ::MonkeyWaa::


Me Too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:00:46 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 03:06:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 03:07:05 AM


Good night hotping and KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:09:47 AM


Good night hotping and KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:10:47 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...

Breaks are welcome Billb.We all need them.. ::MonkeyAngel:: Refraining from posting is disappointing to here!I will KEEPTHEFAITH that you'll be back when your ready!I for one appreciate what the monkey's bring to the table although i may not always agree and,vice versa!I have NO DOUBT in my mind that things are always being researched,dissected,investigated,rechecked for validity,then presented to us on the forum in good time.Some times we must sit back and be patient.I know it's hard and it's been 4 years but,sometimes ya need to let em step in their own shit and leave a trail BillB.You know that better then anyone! ::MonkeyCool:: I,for one,will be waitin with the boat... ::MonkeyGavel::

KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:13:00 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:16:50 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...

Breaks are welcome Billb.We all need them.. ::MonkeyAngel:: Refraining from posting is disappointing to here!I will KEEPTHEFAITH that you'll be back when your ready!I for one appreciate what the monkey's bring to the table although i may not always agree and,vice versa!I have NO DOUBT in my mind that things are always being researched,dissected,investigated,rechecked for validity,then presented to us on the forum in good time.Some times we must sit back and be patient.I know it's hard and it's been 4 years but,sometimes ya need to let em step in their own shit and leave a trail BillB.You know that better then anyone! ::MonkeyCool:: I,for one,will be waitin with the boat... ::MonkeyGavel::

KTF
  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:18:37 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:19:50 AM
hotping, Keepthefaith and 5 Guests... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:21:32 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear ya Hotping.I know Monkey's are always around and checkin in,all the while doing individual research to further the cause! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:22:07 AM
Hi TM... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:25:06 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear ya Hotping.I know Monkey's are always around and checkin in,all the while doing individual research to further the cause! ::MonkeyGavel::
You got that right!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:31:16 AM
I hope you're keeping those nurses busy Mere! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:35:50 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear ya Hotping.I know Monkey's are always around and checkin in,all the while doing individual research to further the cause! ::MonkeyGavel::
You got that right!  ::MonkeyWink::

I promise i will get back in the Lab and start back on some oil stuff on monday to see what i came DIG UP..Diggin,diggin,diggin!Been on a couple other tangent's as of late! ::MonkeyCool:: I'm heading off to bed Hotping.Headin to the game in the morning.Got a 12:30pm kickoff!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:39:09 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear ya Hotping.I know Monkey's are always around and checkin in,all the while doing individual research to further the cause! ::MonkeyGavel::
You got that right!  ::MonkeyWink::

I promise i will get back in the Lab and start back on some oil stuff on monday to see what i came DIG UP..Diggin,diggin,diggin!Been on a couple other tangent's as of late! ::MonkeyCool:: I'm heading off to bed Hotping.Headin to the game in the morning.Got a 12:30pm kickoff!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH
Good Night KTF...Have Fun At the Game!  ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 03:40:58 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear ya Hotping.I know Monkey's are always around and checkin in,all the while doing individual research to further the cause! ::MonkeyGavel::
You got that right!  ::MonkeyWink::

I promise i will get back in the Lab and start back on some oil stuff on monday to see what i came DIG UP..Diggin,diggin,diggin!Been on a couple other tangent's as of late! ::MonkeyCool:: I'm heading off to bed Hotping.Headin to the game in the morning.Got a 12:30pm kickoff!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH
Good Night KTF...Have Fun At the Game!  ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thank you & goodnight..You are appreciated HotPing! ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 12, 2009, 03:43:53 AM
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeyFootball::

Hey HotPing! ::MonkeySlide::
Hey KTF...I've got some interesting things I'm trying to connect the dots on.....I'll Let Ya know what happens.... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear ya Hotping.I know Monkey's are always around and checkin in,all the while doing individual research to further the cause! ::MonkeyGavel::
You got that right!  ::MonkeyWink::

I promise i will get back in the Lab and start back on some oil stuff on monday to see what i came DIG UP..Diggin,diggin,diggin!Been on a couple other tangent's as of late! ::MonkeyCool:: I'm heading off to bed Hotping.Headin to the game in the morning.Got a 12:30pm kickoff!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH
Good Night KTF...Have Fun At the Game!  ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thank you & goodnight..You are appreciated HotPing! ::MonkeyBike::
Thank You KTF! You are Appreciated Also!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 08:45:50 AM
Well ... it is 5:30 AM and ... I have been awake since 4:30 AM.  I just can't sleep.

Maybe I am somewhat apprehensive because hubby is away fishing and ... I am alone in the house.  However ... I should have nothing to fear.  Brandi ... my 15 year old Golden Retriever ... is here to protect me from harm.  She would run up to an intruder wagging her tail and ... lick him to death.

Anyways ...

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 12, 2009, 09:18:32 AM
I know where billb is coming from. I have NO intention of going away, but I am a little discouraged from a lack of feedback on our efforts here. That is why I asked about  "PrivateEye" last night. I think we all are in need of a pep talk from someone other than the "core" posters still here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 11:02:19 AM
I am here for the long haul for the following reasons:

First and foremost - To see Natalee returned to her family and country for a proper burial.  She and her family deserve that first and foremost.

2nd - to see Justice for Natalee by the conviction and incarceration of Joran, Deepak and Satish (they, after all, are the last people to see her alive)

3rd - to have the corruption exposed on that hell-hole of an island (to include Paulus, the LE, the judges)

lastly - too expose the American traitors who left an American girl to align themselves with the corrupt island of Aruba.

We need to go back to the cage.  That is where this has all gone wrong.  An American company allowed the Aruba LE to confiscate that cage with the possible remains of Natalee inside (I say possible because we will never know who's remains were inside).  WHY.  WHY.  Money and oil has to be a deciding factor in all this. 

Kermit,  get back here and please explain to me what I am missing.  WHY did Dave believe so much what Dompig said about Natalee being in that cage?  What made him believe someone from Aruba who is a known lier when that entire island knows nothing but to lie?  From that email of Dave's to Dompig the only thing I can gather is Dompig was working with the witness and his kin to cover this up and to drain the pockets of Dave Holloway in the process.  Dave fell for it.  BUT Kyle says remains were in that cage.  Now total silence from the island of Aruba.

Questions, Questions -- I want answers.  Billb, please don't be away long.  I understand your need to disconnect for a while but don't let it be too long.  Kermit is here and will always pop in when least expected.  I do believe PrivateEye reads here all the time and stays up-to-date.  Robots, well Robots has never left us -- justs watches over us and pops in as needed.     [all JMO]


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
I am here for the long haul for the following reasons:

First and foremost - To see Natalee returned to her family and country for a proper burial.  She and her family deserve that first and foremost.

2nd - to see Justice for Natalee by the conviction and incarceration of Joran, Deepak and Satish (they, after all, are the last people to see her alive)

3rd - to have the corruption exposed on that hell-hole of an island (to include Paulus, the LE, the judges)

lastly - too expose the American traitors who left an American girl to align themselves with the corrupt island of Aruba.

We need to go back to the cage.  That is where this has all gone wrong.  An American company allowed the Aruba LE to confiscate that cage with the possible remains of Natalee inside (I say possible because we will never know who's remains were inside).  WHY.  WHY.  Money and oil has to be a deciding factor in all this. 

Kermit,  get back here and please explain to me what I am missing.  WHY did Dave believe so much what Dompig said about Natalee being in that cage?  What made him believe someone from Aruba who is a known lier when that entire island knows nothing but to lie?  From that email of Dave's to Dompig the only thing I can gather is Dompig was working with the witness and his kin to cover this up and to drain the pockets of Dave Holloway in the process.  Dave fell for it.  BUT Kyle says remains were in that cage.  Now total silence from the island of Aruba.

Questions, Questions -- I want answers.  Billb, please don't be away long.  I understand your need to disconnect for a while but don't let it be too long.  Kermit is here and will always pop in when least expected.  I do believe PrivateEye reads here all the time and stays up-to-date.  Robots, well Robots has never left us -- justs watches over us and pops in as needed.     [all JMO]


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
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Blue Moon

1.  I agree ... the cage is where my time and efforts are focused.

2.  I believe that Mark Purcell is in the mix.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 12, 2009, 11:37:39 AM
I think that the e-mail from Dave to Dompig was written after the Dompig CBS interview was filmed.

Dave had been told the contents of the interview and that is why he says: "Gerold, I thought you
were going to tell the truth."

The interview aired in May but was filmed weeks earlier.
Here is a copy of the interview.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1433650n


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 11:40:27 AM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9886/daveemailtodompig3fs.jpg)
Emails between Dave Holloway and Dompig.

Dompig related to Kalpoe brothers thru marriage. Son, Michael Dompig related to Kalpoe brothers, friends with Kawish Misier, part of Pond Hoax with RV. Orchestrated!


Blue Moon

I just realized the email was writting prior to the Mark Purcell connection of August, 2006 and prior to the cage issue of December, 2007/January/2008.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:45:34 AM
I think that the e-mail from Dave to Dompig was written after the Dompig CBS interview was filmed.

Dave had been told the contents of the interview and that is why he says: "Gerold, I thought you
were going to tell the truth."

The interview aired in May but was filmed weeks earlier.
Here is a copy of the interview.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1433650n

I think you could be right.  Maybe Kermit would expand.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:47:22 AM
It is 8:46 AM PT and the house is shaking a bit and Brandi is going crazy.  I do believe the Fraser Valley of British Columbia is experiencing an earthquake.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 11:47:27 AM
I think that the e-mail from Dave to Dompig was written after the Dompig CBS interview was filmed.

Dave had been told the contents of the interview and that is why he says: "Gerold, I thought you
were going to tell the truth."

The interview aired in May but was filmed weeks earlier.
Here is a copy of the interview.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1433650n


 ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

His condescending smirk just makes me so furious I can't stand it.  Again, anyone on that island that discusses this case always goes back to Beth as being the troublemaker.  If it wasn't for Beth we wouldn't know what we know now.  Bless her soul.  She has been vilified so much by so many and yet she continues on for the sake of her daughter and son.  She is a rock.  AND she hasn't told us it is over yet.  So I still stand by her until Natalee comes home to her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
It is 8:46 AM PT and the house is shaking a bit and Brandi is going crazy.  I do believe the Fraser Valley of British Columbia is experiencing an earthquake.

Janet


 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

Is it common for quakes in your area?  Be careful.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:51:42 AM
I think that the e-mail from Dave to Dompig was written after the Dompig CBS interview was filmed.

Dave had been told the contents of the interview and that is why he says: "Gerold, I thought you
were going to tell the truth."

The interview aired in May but was filmed weeks earlier.
Here is a copy of the interview.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1433650n


 ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

His condescending smirk just makes me so furious I can't stand it.  Again, anyone on that island that discusses this case always goes back to Beth as being the troublemaker.  If it wasn't for Beth we wouldn't know what we know now.  Bless her soul.  She has been vilified so much by so many and yet she continues on for the sake of her daughter and son.  She is a rock.  AND she hasn't told us it is over yet.  So I still stand by her until Natalee comes home to her family.

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:57:51 AM
It is 8:46 AM PT and the house is shaking a bit and Brandi is going crazy.  I do believe the Fraser Valley of British Columbia is experiencing an earthquake.

Janet


 ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

Is it common for quakes in your area?  Be careful.

No.  However ... the effects of the Seattle earthquake that happened a few years back was felt in our area.  Also ... in the ocean off the west coast of Vancouver Island earthquakes have occurred where the shaking was felt in the Valley.

I have the news on now.  Brandi is no longer whining but not too happy.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 12:02:51 PM
I still say that someone, anyone (like Peter DeVries) needs to do a storyline on the discovery of the cage and what happened concerning the removal of it's contents versus the confession of Joran around the same time.  Did Joran put that confession out there knowing what was found in that cage?  I really don't think it is a stretch to assume that LE would have given Joran (or better yet Paulus) a heads up on what was transpiring on that ship and what they had found.  Heck Anita and Paulus was watching on shore one day what was going on.  Who would have ever guessed it would have been so easy for LE to retrieve the contents of that cage without so much as a moan from the very people who came on this expedition with the mission of nothing more that bringing Natalee home?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 12:11:58 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

That is a great question Blue Moon!Honestly,can you imagine the ratings & the outrage when you put everything together?Including Schaeffer & Superior..WoW is all i can say!

12:30 kickoff...Go Dawgs(Washington)For you Wreck... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 12:13:04 PM
Hey Mere...The nurses didn't catch me! ::MonkeySlide:: Guess you could say i was a bit too quick!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 12, 2009, 12:19:14 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

That is a great question Blue Moon!Honestly,can you imagine the ratings & the outrage when you put everything together?Including Schaeffer & Superior..WoW is all i can say!

12:30 kickoff...Go Dawgs(Washington)For you Wreck... ::MonkeyBike::
::MonkeyWink::
You need to join us in the "Football w/ frijole" thread!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 12:25:17 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

IT WILL BE HER'S

GOD BLESS THE MONKEY BUNCH

::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::
   

P.S.ANGELS & FOOTBALL..DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
I still say that someone, anyone (like Peter DeVries) needs to do a storyline on the discovery of the cage and what happened concerning the removal of it's contents versus the confession of Joran around the same time.  Did Joran put that confession out there knowing what was found in that cage?  I really don't think it is a stretch to assume that LE would have given Joran (or better yet Paulus) a heads up on what was transpiring on that ship and what they had found.  Heck Anita and Paulus was watching on shore one day what was going on.  Who would have ever guessed it would have been so easy for LE to retrieve the contents of that cage without so much as a moan from the very people who came on this expedition with the mission of nothing more that bringing Natalee home?

John Silvetti!

I believe the following Kyle Kingman key quotes attests that John Silvetti's plan from the getgo was to turn the contents of the trap over to the Arubans.

Janet

++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
 
Kyle Kingman:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

... The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:31:21 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

I contend that Joran's "confession" was meant to distract from the contents of the cage.  After all ... if Joran's confession was embraced as the truth ... then Natalee Holloway's remains could not have possibly been in that trap.

If Joran's confession reveals the truth ... then John Silvetti has been defamed.  Monkeys ... I do not believe we can have it both ways.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:35:13 PM
Eldest son, DIL and grandson from Vancouver Island will be arriving anytime.  A phone call just informed the ferry was approaching the mainland.  There is a family gather on my side tomorrow.  Also ... hubby should be arriving home anytime from his fishing trip.

Considering I have not done anything around the house in the past three days ... I better get a move on or ... the family might accuse me of spending all my time on the computer.  Imagine!

Later, Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 12:36:03 PM
Eldest son, DIL and grandson from Vancouver Island will be arriving anytime.  A phone call just informed the ferry was approaching the mainland.  There is a family gather on my side tomorrow.  Also ... hubby should be arriving home anytime from his fishing trip.

Considering I have not done anything around the house in the past three days ... I better get a move on or ... the family might accuse me of spending all my time on the computer.  Imagine!

Later, Janet




Later Janet.  Have a good day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:38:15 PM
No earthquake.

Neighbour just phone and informed that heavy construction vehicles were at work just outside our area.

Janet
9:40 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 12:41:05 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

I contend that Joran's "confession" was meant to distract from the contents of the cage.  After all ... if Joran's confession was embraced as the truth ... then Natalee Holloway's remains could not have possibly been in that trap.

If Joran's confession reveals the truth ... then John Silvetti has been defamed.  Monkeys ... I do not believe we can have it both ways.

Janet



From what Joran said...he went home.  He supposedly was "told" that the body was just thrown overboard.  

Those who have analyzed Joran's words don't believe that was the case.  Besides common sense would tell anyone on that island that a body simply thrown overboard is more than likely going to wash up on the shore.  

From Dana's show that I listened to again the other night, one of the guests (maybe Art Wood) stated that a confession is not usually 100% truth.  





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 12, 2009, 12:42:10 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

I contend that Joran's "confession" was meant to distract from the contents of the cage.  After all ... if Joran's confession was embraced as the truth ... then Natalee Holloway's remains could not have possibly been in that trap.

If Joran's confession reveals the truth ... then John Silvetti has been defamed.  Monkeys ... I do not believe we can have it both ways.

Janet



I don't think any of us believe every word of Joran's confession.
I think the part about the seizure and the shaking is the truth....it shows in his eyes.
When he gets to the part about "Drury" and the disposal his demeanor changes.
I do not believe that part.
So yes...we can have it both ways.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
Light a candle(s) for Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 12, 2009, 12:50:15 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

I contend that Joran's "confession" was meant to distract from the contents of the cage.  After all ... if Joran's confession was embraced as the truth ... then Natalee Holloway's remains could not have possibly been in that trap.

If Joran's confession reveals the truth ... then John Silvetti has been defamed.  Monkeys ... I do not believe we can have it both ways.

Janet



I don't think any of us believe every word of Joran's confession.
I think the part about the seizure and the shaking is the truth....it shows in his eyes.
When he gets to the part about "Drury" and the disposal his demeanor changes.
I do not believe that part.
So yes...we can have it both ways.
I agree. I relate Joran's "confession" to a "I was there, but am not totally guilty" type thing. The other night, I re-watched "Dead Man Walking". In it, Sean Penn always admitted that he was "there that night" and somewhat participated -- but did not "pull the trigger". Right before he was executed, he admitted that he in fact "pulled the trigger".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: sharon on September 12, 2009, 01:02:06 PM
Just a quick driveby -- and to communicate my deep thankfulness for all who help keep this atrocity --  lack of justice for an innocent teen --  in the public's view.

The cage?
The date is JULY 6, 2005
I remember hearing about it a bit sooner.
What happened? What was it? Did the dive happen?
WHO did he dive?


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  
This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.




AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 12, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys....

Do you all ever think that the scope of the investigation is too large?  After reading
Blue Moon's post earlier, I realized that I wanted Natalee brought home....period.

I don't think I will live long enough for the clean up of the island and it's judicial system.

All of the game players will still be playing games....maybe on another case....there will be others.

Just my thoughts.... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys....

Do you all ever think that the scope of the investigation is too large?  After reading
Blue Moon's post earlier, I realized that I wanted Natalee brought home....period.

I don't think I will live long enough for the clean up of the island and it's judicial system.

All of the game players will still be playing games....maybe on another case....there will be others.

Just my thoughts.... :2waver:


From my prospective, first and foremost I would want her home, with her family, buried in a location that her family can mourn her properly.  To me, that should have been the Persistence number 1 priority and if I remember correctly when asked (by Kyle)  I believe most here told them to retrieve her body and bring her home and not look back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:16:39 PM
Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys....

Do you all ever think that the scope of the investigation is too large?  After reading
Blue Moon's post earlier, I realized that I wanted Natalee brought home....period.

I don't think I will live long enough for the clean up of the island and it's judicial system.

All of the game players will still be playing games....maybe on another case....there will be others.

Just my thoughts.... :2waver:


I don't think the island will ever be cleaned up either, I really think it's only going to get worse.

JMO

I'm with you Mere, the most important thing for me is for Natalee to be brought home. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 12, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys....

Do you all ever think that the scope of the investigation is too large?  After reading
Blue Moon's post earlier, I realized that I wanted Natalee brought home....period.

I don't think I will live long enough for the clean up of the island and it's judicial system.

All of the game players will still be playing games....maybe on another case....there will be others.

Just my thoughts.... :2waver:


I don't think the island will ever be cleaned up either, I really think it's only going to get worse.

JMO

I'm with you Mere, the most important thing for me is for Natalee to be brought home. 
"Justice" is only a pipe dream --- just bring her home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

I contend that Joran's "confession" was meant to distract from the contents of the cage.  After all ... if Joran's confession was embraced as the truth ... then Natalee Holloway's remains could not have possibly been in that trap.

If Joran's confession reveals the truth ... then John Silvetti has been defamed.  Monkeys ... I do not believe we can have it both ways.

Janet



From what Joran said...he went home.  He supposedly was "told" that the body was just thrown overboard.  

Those who have analyzed Joran's words don't believe that was the case.  Besides common sense would tell anyone on that island that a body simply thrown overboard is more than likely going to wash up on the shore.  

From Dana's show that I listened to again the other night, one of the guests (maybe Art Wood) stated that a confession is not usually 100% truth.  



Considering Natalee Holloway's body did not wash up on shore ... implies to me that Joran was lying in his confession regarding the disposal of Natalee's body.

I firmly believe that the Devries recording was a hoax collaborated with the Aruba "powers that be" to distract from the cage.

Janet

++++++++


TRANSCRIPT - JORAN'S CONFESSION


Patrick: How far did you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job.  This guy really knows what he is doing. Did he weight her down to make her sink?

Joran:  No, I don’t think so.

Patrick: You don’t even know that?

Joran:  No.

Patrick: Didn’t he ever tell you how he did it?

Joran:  Of course he did.

Patrick: How did he do it then?

Joran:  He just went out in the sea further and then he just dumped her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
AND ANOTHER THING - that cage was located about the very same time as the taping of Joran was going on.  Why didn't Peter DeVries combine the discovery of the cage with the confession of Joran about the very same time to impact this case further?  Looks to me like finding that cage and having the contents removed would tie into the confession of Joran with Patrick.  What happened that the contents of that cage were never combined into the confession to prove guilt further? 

I contend that Joran's "confession" was meant to distract from the contents of the cage.  After all ... if Joran's confession was embraced as the truth ... then Natalee Holloway's remains could not have possibly been in that trap.

If Joran's confession reveals the truth ... then John Silvetti has been defamed.  Monkeys ... I do not believe we can have it both ways.

Janet



From what Joran said...he went home.  He supposedly was "told" that the body was just thrown overboard.  

Those who have analyzed Joran's words don't believe that was the case.  Besides common sense would tell anyone on that island that a body simply thrown overboard is more than likely going to wash up on the shore.  

From Dana's show that I listened to again the other night, one of the guests (maybe Art Wood) stated that a confession is not usually 100% truth.  



Considering Natalee Holloway's body did not wash up on shore ... implies to me that Joran was lying in his confession regarding the disposal of Natalee's body.

I firmly believe that the Devries recording was a hoax collaborated with the Aruba "powers that be" to distract from the cage.

Janet

++++++++


TRANSCRIPT - JORAN'S CONFESSION


Patrick: How far did you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job.  This guy really knows what he is doing. Did he weight her down to make her sink?

Joran:  No, I don’t think so.

Patrick: You don’t even know that?

Joran:  No.

Patrick: Didn’t he ever tell you how he did it?

Joran:  Of course he did.

Patrick: How did he do it then?

Joran:  He just went out in the sea further and then he just dumped her.


Edited the statements between Patrick and Joran for emphasis.

I firmly believe otherwise regarding the DeVries recording, with the information I have seen so far.

I agree to disagree with you on this Janet. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 12, 2009, 01:53:52 PM
Good Morning/Afternoon Monkeys....

Do you all ever think that the scope of the investigation is too large?  After reading
Blue Moon's post earlier, I realized that I wanted Natalee brought home....period.

I don't think I will live long enough for the clean up of the island and it's judicial system.

All of the game players will still be playing games....maybe on another case....there will be others.

Just my thoughts.... :2waver:


I don't think the island will ever be cleaned up either, I really think it's only going to get worse.

JMO

I'm with you Mere, the most important thing for me is for Natalee to be brought home. 
"Justice" is only a pipe dream --- just bring her home.

Agree with all of the above.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 12, 2009, 01:58:06 PM
Think I am going outside to play for the rest of the day.  Need to do some weeding.  Fun. Fun.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 02:04:33 PM
Think I am going outside to play for the rest of the day.  Need to do some weeding.  Fun. Fun.

Weeding may not be "fun", but it's a great stress reducer for me.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a great day Blue Moon!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:04:41 PM
So much of the Range Rover recording has been proven to be lies.  How can anything be believed.  This is why Joran was never detained.

However ...

1.  The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that Natalee was dumped at sea and ... was not placed in a cage.

2.  The seed is planted with the viewing audience that the Kalpoes were not involved.

3.  The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that Paulus was not involved.

4. The seed was planted in regards to the viewing audience that the sons of the elite were not involved.

The detainment of all three suspects in November/December/07 ... the Kalpoes exoneration ... the contents of the cage and ... Joran's confession were are addressed in the same press released from the Prosecutor's office.  This implies to be there is a connection.

IMO

Janet

++++++++


Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Why? Three reasons

First of all there is the fact that a few months ago, based on the results of the investigation, the estimate was that the investigation could be ended by the end of 2008. More specifically I am referring to the re-opened investigation into the suspect in this case, Joran van der Sloot, against whom the criminal investigation was restarted after the broadcast of a Peter R. de Vries investigation last February. Because that program caused a new stream of information, this information first has to be examined which will take at least another few months.

Secondly, about six weeks ago an interview with Joran van der Sloot was broadcasted on an American cable news Channel. In this interview Joran tells a completely new version of the alleged facts that occurred concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Before showing the interview and in the days after the show the Aruban Prosecutors Office and the Aruban Police were alleged to be corrupt and unwilling to investigate possible leads in this case. We find it fit to address those allegations today.

The third reason is that my Office and the Police Department would like to urge all people that have information about things that have occurred on May 30th 2005 or about persons that are or might be involved in this case, whatever that information may be, to hand that information over to the Police or to the Public Prosecutors Office.

For a good understanding of the facts I would like to take you back to December 18th 2007. It was on that day that the three suspects in this case got official notice from my Office that the criminal investigation into their possible involvement in this case was ended. This did not mean that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway also ended. On the contrary. That investigation never stopped. If new information or evidence would come up, the criminal investigation against any suspect in this case could be re-opened. This is possible as long as the statute of limitations does not prohibit this.

No one could imagine at that time that within a month from that decision this Office was confronted with the information that Dutch crime investigator Peter R de Vries had made secret camera shots of Joran van der Sloot talking about the case against a civilian under cover. After my Office got the tapes and before the actual broadcast of the Peter R. de Vries program, on our request the criminal investigation against Joran was re-opened by the investigating judge.

At the same time the investigation was fully operational again and had as a main goal to find as much corroborating evidence as possible of what Joran van der Sloot had told the under cover. The judge was asked to approve the third consecutive custody of Joran van der Sloot. The investigating judge against whose decision this Office lodged an appeal at the Common Court of Appeal in Curacao denied this approval. The Court of Appeal upheld the investigating judges’ decision, thus disabling Police to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot.

It is proper to take another look at the Court of Appeals’ decision. The Court of Appeal took into account the footage that was handed over by Peter de Vries as well as all the old investigative results of over nearly 3 years of investigation. Weighing whether there was enough new serious material, evidence (necessary to be able to put one into custody) the Court decided that the new elements that Joran had told the under cover were not corroborated by “objective facts”. On top of that the Court considered the fact that the suspect already had argued that there are objective facts that contradict the new elements that were told by him to the under cover.

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

What does the Court’s decision imply when we take a closer look?

1.    After an extensive and intensive investigation, the contents of the Police file combined with the new statements of Joran, does not hold enough evidence necessary to pass the threshold for a third consecutive term of pretrial custody.

2.    Logical conclusion from the above mentioned must be, that the evidence that we do have in the extensive files, is not enough to convict this suspect.

For that reason this Office has made the gathering of these “objective facts” that can serve as evidence against the main suspect it’s primary goal for the investigation from that point on.

What the Police and this Office have done:

•    Already on January 22nd 2008, the day after Peter de Vries had shown the tapes to the Public Prosecutor and the Police, the investigation into the person called “Daury” was started. Finally a person called Daury R. was identified and it turned out that he probably was involved in drug trafficking activities (as had been told by Joran). Because of that and following his own TV-appearance on 20-20, he was arrested in the USA on the suspicion of international drug trafficking. He is currently detained in the USA.

•    Investigation into the pay phone in the hotel garden was started as well as finding an answer to the question whether Joran had the possession of a credit card (necessary to use the phone).

•    On our request the National Prosecutor’s Office in Rotterdam as well as The National Crime Squad executed numerous requests, such as various house searches and finally the questioning of Joran van der Sloot.

•    Since then over 20 witnesses were interviewed, some of them for the second or third time. These interviews pertained mostly to Joran’s missing shoes and the person called “Daury”, Joran’s alleged accomplice.

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened.

•    During his stay on Aruba the Police twice interviewed under cover “Patrick”.

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.

Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.

Furthermore investigation was conducted into the statement of a fisherman, until that moment unknown by the Police or my Office. This witness, known by the Holloway family, claimed that in the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway a large knife was stolen from one of the Fisherman’s huts while at the same time a large crab cage was missing that at least was there until the month of April. This owner of the cage was also interviewed by the Police but told them that this allegedly missing cage had never been left at the huts but was always taken home.
He told the Police that Mrs. Holloway and the press approached him a long time ago and that he had told them his story. His identity was never officially revealed to the Police. It was because the Persistence ship at that time was searching for relevant material on the sea bed that the story about the cage and the fisherman came up in a conversation between this Office and Mr. Dave Holloway, which led this Office to the identity of the witness.

As you may know, the expedition of the Persistence led to only one finding that was supposed to be relevant to this case. Special Police divers brought certain material to the surface of which one might assume could be the clothes of Natalee Holloway. These samples were sent to the FBI laboratory. After examination by the FBI the result was that these samples did not match the clothes of Natalee.

In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer. This witness statement is already widely known: the witness claims he saw Joran van der Sloot in the middle of the night of May 30th walking in front of his house, soaked up to his chest, walking on one shoe and heavily breathing. He was walking into the direction of the hotels, coming from the direction of the Church at Noord. What the witness was actually aiming for was the Police to conduct an intensive search in the dam of Monserrat. Nevertheless the witness could not give us any reason why the Police should conduct a search in the dam. It was the conclusion of the witness that Joran had come from the dam since he came walking from that direction. There was no indication whatsoever that Joran had been at the dam. For that reason the Police were not ordered to conduct that search. Later, people from the Persistence asked if they were allowed to conduct a search. They were told that they could go ahead if the wanted to. No results were reported. Besides that, the Monserrat dam, which had completely fallen dry by that time, was not long before that request completely searched by dozens of people, for a completely different reason. No results were reported.

This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.

I will give you three examples of what we have experienced the last 10 months in terms of leads given by people who claim to have special powers and know where Natalee would be.

The first one claimed that Natalee was in the hands of foreign criminals but could not give us any actual lead to follow.

The second one recently claimed that the girl was buried on an Aruba beach. After consulting my Office and the Police a private search was conducted, only facilitated by the Police. No result was reported.

The third person was very persistent and claimed he had witnesses he could not disclose to my Office. He claimed Natalee was buried under a hotel that was under construction at the time of her disappearance. He requested that my Office would order a hole to be drilled in the hotel floor in order to conduct an endoscopic search underneath the hotel. When the prosecutor asked the man for the undisclosed witnesses and kept asking for his sources, he finally admitted that his theory was based on a dream.

As you can see, this is just a part of what we have experienced over the past months. There is much more of these “leads” which take us an awful lot of time and distract us from the actual investigation. We do not obstruct anyone, but when there is no concrete information or the information is unreliable we chose not to investigate that lead or that information. In that respect the Aruban Police is not different from any other Police force in the world.

CONCLUDING:

This I can tell you: during the investigation of which you just received an overview, a series of investigative acts were conducted. I will not disclose the results of that investigation here and now because the investigation is not yet finished and my Office does not want to disclose these results to the suspect and thus make him wiser even before he has been confronted with these results. Only as soon as the investigation into the new statements of Joran van der Sloot has been completely finalized, the suspect will be notified about the decision by my Office whether he will be charged or not. At that time the public also will be informed. If possible investigative results may be disclosed to the public.

When will the investigation be completed?

At this moment the last leads and some minor details are under investigation. These minor questions first have to be answered before a decision can be made. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects to have conducted the necessary investigations within a number of months. Exact data cannot be determined.

Furthermore I would like to say this.

Recently Fox broadcast an interview of Joran van der Sloot recorded by Greta van Susteren in the spring of 2008. In this interview Joran presents yet another new version of the facts. This time he claims he has sold Natalee Holloway on the beach for $ 10,000 to a person called `Adamovic´ after a prearranged agreement. This man had taken the girl from the beach on a boat and sailed away.

Although Fox already had the possession of this information for nearly 6 months, it waited to disclose it to the public by the end of November 2008. A request by my Office to provide this information to us digitally was left unanswered.

Now suddenly Fox and a lawyer demand that my Office shall conduct an intensive investigation into a story of which the anchor of the program herself already considered the possibility that it could be “a wild goose chase”. Furthermore Joran van der Sloot after the interview was taped, denied that what he said was true. The Fox program also showed an interview with Joran´s American lawyer, in which the program’s anchor implicitly admitted that Joran was paid for the interview. Finally Fox broadcasts a so-called telephone conversation between Joran and his father. The contents of that phone call are supposed to corroborate Joran´s new story. The taped conversation between Joran and his father recently has been downloaded from the Internet by the Police and handed over to the Dutch Forensic Institute. This independent institute, the NFI, has been requested by the Police and my Office to conduct a voice-comparing investigation between the voice on that tape and earlier recordings of Paul van der Sloot. Within a few months we will know whether the material can be investigated and if so, what the results will be.

It is more than remarkable that no longer than 5 months after Joran´s so called confessions were taped on hidden cameras by Peter R. de Vries, statements both in the Netherlands and in the USA considered as “the solving of the case”, this Joran now comes forward with a completely different new story. Now this story is being considered as one that urgently has to be investigated. This while there are many indications that Joran simply pulled Fox’s leg and earned himself a lot of money as well. To prove that we are dealing with “a wild goose chase”, the Police on our request have checked some verifiable parts from Joran´s new statement, which show that it is a wild goose chase.

The Holloway family lawyer, who demanded the immediate arrest of suspects, was told that the Public Prosecutor, given the legal requirements, couldn’t find any ground in this interview to order an arrest.

Final remarks

Police and the Prosecutor’s Office on Aruba are still conducting an investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yet we are approaching the end of this lengthy investigation and are busy with the last two leads. Now we are still busy I would like to add this: if you have relevant information, no matter how small or uninteresting it may seem, please notify my Office or the Police here on Aruba.

The purpose of the criminal investigation is to establish beyond reasonable doubt what has happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30th 2005. Have crimes been committed against her and, if so, which crimes and by whom? And if someone is responsible for crimes committed, that person, whoever he may be, should be held accountable for those crimes in a court of law. Yet that result still has not been met.

In short: it is the Police and the Prosecutor’s Office that have, and should have, the primary responsibility for a criminal investigation. That is the way it is legally laid down in our judicial system. If others want to help, we will applaud them doing so. Yet, when those activities start to get counter productive and under circumstances jeopardizes the investigation, we should address the public and make them aware of these effects.

In order to prevent that happening we thought it fit to inform you through this press conference.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 02:20:45 PM

Have a great afternoon Monkeys!

I think I'll go do some catching up with news for the M & C thread.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
Some new documents are available in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  I'm working on getting them ready to post right now.  I'll post the pertenant stuff.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:36:18 PM
Some new documents are available in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  I'm working on getting them ready to post right now.  I'll post the pertenant stuff.

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2009, 02:45:15 PM
5 Documents filed and I'm posting only the pages with actual info:

Motion to Compel postponed

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The Kalpoes agree to drop claims against the Skeeters Estate and Kay Skeeters agrees to drop the request for attorney fees?

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2009, 02:46:05 PM
Have to run to the store.  Will check back if you have questions


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 04:11:31 PM


Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 04:23:23 PM
Hi TM.....I have been wondering all day about the post of Kermit's....I hope We hear more soon!  billb is not playing fair.....I will miss Him also! 

ribbit

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I am curious if they are related too like Dompigs and Kalpoes, ya know, people who were
so-called "helping Dave".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 04:25:22 PM
My understanding is that the K2 agreed to drop the appeal of the decision favorable to the Skeeter's estate, and will not be allowed to file any further claims related to that case.  In return the Skeeter's estate withdrew their request for reimbursement of attorney's fees, and will not be allowed to file any further claims in relation to that.

My take is...Skeeter's estate agreed to not seek reimbursement for the attorney's fees already incurred, upon the K2's agreement not to appeal or refile any claim against the Skeeter's estate. 

Any appeal or refiling of the claim would have only incurred more attorney's fees to defend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 04:25:35 PM
Janet,
Give Brandi extra treats for taking care of you while veggie was away.
 :smt059


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 04:37:05 PM
I know where billb is coming from. I have NO intention of going away, but I am a little discouraged from a lack of feedback on our efforts here. That is why I asked about  "PrivateEye" last night. I think we all are in need of a pep talk from someone other than the "core" posters still here.

If you look at page 46 of the oil thread you'll take note of some people who have been very interested in SM lately. Oh shoot, let me just spell it out. Shell Oil been here reading up out of Netherlands. Also a specific Aruban out of Noord read page by page the Oil thread for days.
Of course the banditos are still at it everyday. Now, ya gotta figure commons sense is that all this interest is not happening just for funsies. It gets even more interesting how one is connected to another one and so on and so forth.

That's why I love sports! Only the top players understand the rules of engagement and how to
outplay, outsmart their opponents. Keep your eyes on the ball at all times.
 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:41:56 PM
Thanks Klaas.

The house which has been empty except me for three days is now buzzing with bodies.  The computer is history until tomorrow evening.

Have a good weekend All.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
Have to run to the store.  Will check back if you have questions

steaks on the bar-be tonight I'm think'n and hoping right over!

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
Janet,
Give Brandi extra treats for taking care of you while veggie was away.
 :smt059

I will Kermit.  It was a comfort knowing she was in the home while hubby was on his fishing trip with BIL.

Thanks for being you.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:46:28 PM
My understanding is that the K2 agreed to drop the appeal of the decision favorable to the Skeeter's estate, and will not be allowed to file any further claims related to that case.  In return the Skeeter's estate withdrew their request for reimbursement of attorney's fees, and will not be allowed to file any further claims in relation to that.

My take is...Skeeter's estate agreed to not seek reimbursement for the attorney's fees already incurred, upon the K2's agreement not to appeal or refile any claim against the Skeeter's estate. 

Any appeal or refiling of the claim would have only incurred more attorney's fees to defend.

texasmom ... bottom line ... is the news today good or bad?

I gotta go.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 12, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
My understanding is that the K2 agreed to drop the appeal of the decision favorable to the Skeeter's estate, and will not be allowed to file any further claims related to that case.  In return the Skeeter's estate withdrew their request for reimbursement of attorney's fees, and will not be allowed to file any further claims in relation to that.

My take is...Skeeter's estate agreed to not seek reimbursement for the attorney's fees already incurred, upon the K2's agreement not to appeal or refile any claim against the Skeeter's estate. 

Any appeal or refiling of the claim would have only incurred more attorney's fees to defend.

That's my take too, texasmom! 

Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeyDance:: Oh............. I've got someting for you whenever you're ready......

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
Thanks Klaas.

The house which has been empty except me for three days is now buzzing with bodies.  The computer is history until tomorrow evening.

Have a good weekend All.

Janet

Enjoy your family! Try to sneak back in to the computer room




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 04:50:50 PM
My understanding is that the K2 agreed to drop the appeal of the decision favorable to the Skeeter's estate, and will not be allowed to file any further claims related to that case.  In return the Skeeter's estate withdrew their request for reimbursement of attorney's fees, and will not be allowed to file any further claims in relation to that.

My take is...Skeeter's estate agreed to not seek reimbursement for the attorney's fees already incurred, upon the K2's agreement not to appeal or refile any claim against the Skeeter's estate. 

Any appeal or refiling of the claim would have only incurred more attorney's fees to defend.

That's my take too, texasmom! 

Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeyDance:: Oh............. I've got someting for you whenever you're ready......

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Oh CBB you are so sweet to do that. Thank you. I'll go get dressed properly.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 12, 2009, 04:59:47 PM
Thanks Klaas
Back to what Mos stated :

Besides the Police investigation Peter de Vries’ program received an enormous amount of information. The serious tips were passed on to my Office in order to have them investigated.

Four of them could be investigated and led to thorough investigation.......


... Police and the Prosecutor’s Office are being accused of not following leads in this investigation. Those allegations are unjust and unfounded. Of course it is true that we weigh the information and the source on credibility and value before we start to investigate. But witnesses, who claim to have leads that find no ground in facts whatsoever and therefore are not being investigated by the Police, are free to investigate those themselves. This - of course – within the limitations imposed by law.


What exactly are the facts???


Remember this?:


Holloway Case Conviction No Slam Dunk

Under Aruban Law, Suspect's Own Words Can't Be Used Against Him
By JEFFREY KOFMAN
Feb. 4, 2008

It will be difficult under Aruban law for prosecutors to build a case against Joran Van der Sloot in the Natalee Holloway case, according to Nico Jörg, Aruba's advocate general, and acting attorney general.

In an interview with ABC News, Jörg outlined several possible options for prosecuting the young Dutch/Aruban man, a suspect in the disappearance of the Alabama teen, who went to the island on holiday more than two years ago.

Jörg emphasized that there are fundamental differences between the laws of the United States and laws in Aruba. For example, there is no trial by jury in this tiny island nation of just 103,000 citizens. All trials are by judge only. A suspect's own words can't be used to implicate him or her, and there is no such thing as perjury for a suspect in Aruba.
 
The acting attorney general said prosecutors will look at the following possible charges:

AIDING AND ABETTING FIRST DEGREE MURDER — Possible sentence: Life in prison. This would require prosecutors to prove "conditional intent" on the part of Van der Sloot. In the undercover videotape obtained by a Dutch journalist, Van der Sloot says he can't say for sure that Holloway was actually dead when he called a friend to help him dispose of her body, after she passed out on the beach and began shaking uncontrollably. Jörg told ABC News that to prove this charge, prosecutors would need medical experts to talk about the effects of alcohol poisoning on a body.

INJURY TO HEALTH CAUSING DEATH
— Possible sentence: 6 to 9 years. Prosecutors would want to prove that Van der Sloot knowingly gave Holloway too much alcohol. In previous statements, he has admitted giving her a drink of Bacardi 151, which is 75 percent alcohol.

ACCIDENTAL DEATH — Possible sentence: 9 months. Prosecutors would have to demonstrate that Van der Sloot did not take reasonable precautions when he noticed Holloway was unconscious.

ILLEGAL DISPOSAL OF A CORPSE
— Possible sentence: 6 months. On the undercover tape, Van der Sloot says he called his friend, and asked him to bring his boat to the beach so that Holloway's body could be thrown deep in the ocean.

MISDEMEANOR CHARGE FOR NOT GIVING HELP TO SOMEONE IN NEED — Possible sentence: 6 months.

All of these charges require that prosecutors have independent evidence placing Van der Sloot with Holloway at the time of her death.
Jörg notes that, even if Van der Sloot is convicted of one of the lesser crimes listed above, the months he has already spent in prison would be deducted from any future conviction.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=4240906&page=1


I believe Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug or she fought and he killed her.  I would be happy to support a trafficking scenario if it will somehow cause him to receive punishment.  I don't think the Dutch system is on the side of the victim.  Is it better to go with his "trafficking" confession?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 05:01:23 PM
Hi TM.....I have been wondering all day about the post of Kermit's....I hope We hear more soon!  billb is not playing fair.....I will miss Him also! 

ribbit

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I am curious if they are related too like Dompigs and Kalpoes, ya know, people who were
so-called "helping Dave".


Interesting.....I've been doing some comparisons myself this morning.  I hope you don't mind if I add to yours to see what everyone thinks.  Another relative...helper?

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9/8/2009 Awe Mainta Page 19

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Note last sentence.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 12, 2009, 05:03:39 PM
I know where billb is coming from. I have NO intention of going away, but I am a little discouraged from a lack of feedback on our efforts here. That is why I asked about  "PrivateEye" last night. I think we all are in need of a pep talk from someone other than the "core" posters still here.

If you look at page 46 of the oil thread you'll take note of some people who have been very interested in SM lately. Oh shoot, let me just spell it out. Shell Oil been here reading up out of Netherlands. Also a specific Aruban out of Noord read page by page the Oil thread for days.
Of course the banditos are still at it everyday. Now, ya gotta figure commons sense is that all this interest is not happening just for funsies. It gets even more interesting how one is connected to another one and so on and so forth.

That's why I love sports! Only the top players understand the rules of engagement and how to
outplay, outsmart their opponents. Keep your eyes on the ball at all times.
 ::MonkeyFootball::


I don't understand what part of the refinery that Valero owns.  Why is the Aruban government selling the refinery and not Valero??  TIA   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 12, 2009, 05:43:36 PM
Janet,
Give Brandi extra treats for taking care of you while veggie was away.
 :smt059

I will Kermit.  It was a comfort knowing she was in the home while hubby was on his fishing trip with BIL.

Thanks for being you.

Janet

Sleep well tonight and snuggle your veggie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 12, 2009, 07:41:02 PM
Good Evening, Monkeys,

I have been out of town and then just busy lately but I still read all the posts.  After this length of time, I am pretty entrenched in what I think and what I know and not likely to change.  By the same token, I don't feel any need to try to convince anybody to agree with me so just don't have much to say these days.

But I am still here and still want justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 12, 2009, 07:45:51 PM
I know where billb is coming from. I have NO intention of going away, but I am a little discouraged from a lack of feedback on our efforts here. That is why I asked about  "PrivateEye" last night. I think we all are in need of a pep talk from someone other than the "core" posters still here.

If you look at page 46 of the oil thread you'll take note of some people who have been very interested in SM lately. Oh shoot, let me just spell it out. Shell Oil been here reading up out of Netherlands. Also a specific Aruban out of Noord read page by page the Oil thread for days.
Of course the banditos are still at it everyday. Now, ya gotta figure commons sense is that all this interest is not happening just for funsies. It gets even more interesting how one is connected to another one and so on and so forth.

That's why I love sports! Only the top players understand the rules of engagement and how to
outplay, outsmart their opponents. Keep your eyes on the ball at all times.
 ::MonkeyFootball::


I don't understand what part of the refinery that Valero owns.  Why is the Aruban government selling the refinery and not Valero??  TIA   :smt102


Agree, buckeye.  You'd think Oduber owned the refinery personally.  It is my understanding that Valero owns all the equipment and Aruba only the land, much like with the hotels.  I guess Oduber ASSUMES that if he makes China a good enough tax break, Valero will just go right along with him.  Pretty cocky, IMO.  Would love it if he worked it all out and Valero said NO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 12, 2009, 07:53:08 PM
Just a quick driveby -- and to communicate my deep thankfulness for all who help keep this atrocity --  lack of justice for an innocent teen --  in the public's view.

The cage?
The date is JULY 6, 2005
I remember hearing about it a bit sooner.
What happened? What was it? Did the dive happen?
WHO did he dive?


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/06/

Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch and John Merryweather on Scarborough Country tonight at 10PM
Tonight on Scarborough Country at 10:05, John Merryweather is supposed to be interviewed. Merryweather was one of the organizers of yesterdays anti-American media and anti-Beth Holloway-Twitty comments demonstration in front of the Court House. This may prove to be a volatile interview as the demonstration yesterday was basically aimed against a grieving mother and her desperate comments who hasn’t seen her daughter in over 30 days.

Also, Tim Miller of Texas EquuiSearch is going to be interviewed by Joe at 10:15 with regards to the Natalee Holloway search. As seen previously on CNN, Tim Miller has made some pretty amazing comments with regards to Natalee.

According to sources Tim Miller will discuss the container they seem to have located on the North side of the island about 1/2 mile out in the ocean. They are supposed to dive tomorrow to see what they have located.  
This hopes to be an interesting interview and maybe some more information will come out as a follow up from the CNN interview the other night.




AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT....IT DOES!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


Sharon,

You are correct I do believe as we had already heard about a cage.  But I think this is the dive that was never made because Dompig refused to allow the FBI (at least I think that is who was to provide the equipment) and he just couldn't be bothered.

Wasn't this when Tim Miller had it all set up and Dompig would not take the necessary steps to allow the dive to happen?  All he had to do was call and say they had approval and instead Tim Miller came home with no dive having been done because Dompig just flatly refused.

Might have been another time but I think it was this one.  They have done so much to thwart searches and investigation that it is hard to keep it all straight after all this time, at least for me.  I'


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 12, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
Hoping all Monkeys have a wonderful weekend!  No exceptions!
 ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk3:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::


What wonderful new emoties!  And reminded me to tell you that I have three brand new just born grandpups, Yorkies!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
Good Evening, Monkeys,

I have been out of town and then just busy lately but I still read all the posts.  After this length of time, I am pretty entrenched in what I think and what I know and not likely to change.  By the same token, I don't feel any need to try to convince anybody to agree with me so just don't have much to say these days.

But I am still here and still want justice for Natalee.

Hi Anna!  I've missed you!  Thanks for posting, I was hoping everything was alright with you.  Congrats on your new grandpups! 
 
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: sharon on September 12, 2009, 08:37:30 PM
Hoping all Monkeys have a wonderful weekend!  No exceptions!
 ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk3:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::


What wonderful new emoties!  And reminded me to tell you that I have three brand new just born grandpups, Yorkies!





Hi Anna! Very nice to see you.

I agree -- I also thought this was the dive that never was. It was prevented for almost 2 years. I wonder why? It almost happened at least once before, iirc. But it was stopped. I wonder why? Information? Or misinformation?


Enjoy the yorkie babies -- the cutest animals on the planet, imo (can you tell I'm a former yorkie momma -- mother and daughter team)

Also wanted to share that Burn Notice films in my neighborhood -- and I get lots of local 'news' and pics about it -- but we'll have to move over to the lounge or musings for that  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: sharon on September 12, 2009, 08:38:34 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
When Kyle Kingman's words are considered ... it appears that the trap was not located where Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were searching November, 2005 ... the search that Dompig put a stop to.  The distance and depth do not concur.

Janet

++++++++


Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 186:
  Tim had met with the FBI the day before about the equipment we needed to complete the ocean seach.  Due to the depth of the water and the distance of three to five miles into the ocean that we needed to go, our search had exceeded the capability of the equipment that was in use.  Tim had to ask Dompig for a litter of approval to use FBI equipment, and Dompig told him they did not have the time.  I am not sure what the stonewalling was all about.  I suppose it had something to do with our request to have everyone removed from the case.


On the Record with Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER: Well Greta, we did everything we could do over there. We were lead to the water by Chief Dompig in an area he wanted us to search. We started from shore and moved out. We had two sets of side scan sonar over there. We had a forensic underwater dive team. Another very experienced dive team had their equipment there. He wanted us to go 3 to 5 miles out and start clearing stuff from the shore out. We let him know early on that we could a limited amount with the equipment we had. We could actually go to 150 ft deep, which is deep. But, when we got out past 1 &frac12; miles, we needed equipment that would take us 800 to 1000 ft deep.

We actually got that equipment, made arrangements to get it over there. All that was needed was an informal phone call request to have that stuff over there. It looked like we had a real line of communication going with Chief Dompig last Wed. He praised everything we were doing, and then last Thursday [after Dave left on Wednesday], all communication just stopped. Then when I talked to him Friday morning, he was basically kind of ugly to me on the phone. He said, “I do not have time to sit down and write little letters for everything.” I said chief it’s not even a letter, it’s a simple phone call. He said that would have to go through the prosecuting attorney. We actually had all the equipment to do that search for Aruba at absolutely no cost. I just felt as though…I don’t know what happened; we lost communication. It is very, very frustrating.

VAN SUSTEREN: To whom was he supposed to make the phone call?

MILLER: We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January, 2005

BETH TWITTY:  I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  The tip Dave go said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search? ... The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 09:42:09 PM
Hi Sharon

You have been missed!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 09:43:47 PM
ANNA!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

How have ya been.  It has been a long time.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 12, 2009, 09:45:26 PM
O/T - Someone sent me this picture and I thought of Sleuth.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/file002.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 12, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
I know where billb is coming from. I have NO intention of going away, but I am a little discouraged from a lack of feedback on our efforts here. That is why I asked about  "PrivateEye" last night. I think we all are in need of a pep talk from someone other than the "core" posters still here.

If you look at page 46 of the oil thread you'll take note of some people who have been very interested in SM lately. Oh shoot, let me just spell it out. Shell Oil been here reading up out of Netherlands. Also a specific Aruban out of Noord read page by page the Oil thread for days.
Of course the banditos are still at it everyday. Now, ya gotta figure commons sense is that all this interest is not happening just for funsies. It gets even more interesting how one is connected to another one and so on and so forth.

That's why I love sports! Only the top players understand the rules of engagement and how to
outplay, outsmart their opponents. Keep your eyes on the ball at all times.
 ::MonkeyFootball::


::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank You Kermit..... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 12, 2009, 10:34:50 PM
O/T - Someone sent me this picture and I thought of Sleuth.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/file002.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Too cute, thanks for sharing San! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 12:11:11 AM
9/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

thief grab is steal in hotel

police of oranjestad owing to bay at renaissance, where guardianan owing to grab one thief is try enter in one bedroom of hotel. n’e sitio, police is come across cu the guardianan of renaissance, that had he therefore.v. naci at aruba of 27 year, wanta. the guardianan is tell police cu therefore.v. owing to break one window part pazuid of the hotel y owing to enter inside. hour cu the guardianan owing to arrive they owing to achieve therefore. v. is compel one door p’e enter in one bedroom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 12:46:06 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62361.php

Google translation:

Contractors Valero home

September 12, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS-Many contractors of the Valero refinery had closed yesterday, leaving the field. Now the oil company has decided the refinery indefinitely closed to keep, there is virtually no work. The task force that the government has created the potential consequences of a permanent closure of the refinery study, met today for the first time.

The task force has representatives from the contractors of Valero, Valero itself, and FTA Iowua unions, banks, and Research Department of Labor, Social Affairs Department, Dimas, SVB, and the Tax MWV. The Government had recently know that 200 million florin is released as the arbitration case against Valero won is beneficial to a social fund to help redundant staff Valero. The Aruba Bankers' Association (ABA) announced earlier this week that she is a financial rescue plan for redundant staff refinery.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 12:49:27 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62360.php

Google translation:

Astec workers strike for job guarantee

September 12, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Dissatisfied employees of stevedoring company Astec have some time yesterday working out. They took to the streets because they want written assurances from the Government that their wages, job, individual and collective employment are maintained, whatever the outcome of the award process for container stevedoring in the port of Barcadera.

Astec last month after the arbitration case concerning the termination of the contract award at the Aruba Ports Authority (APA) lost, gave Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) of Tourism and Transport oral commitment to union stevedoring portuário Arubano Union (UPA), workers concerned that their jobs are not lose. The union, however, these guarantees require an ordinance. The union believes that the "not realistic" to expect the short term. In a letter to the Minister requires the union to September 16 a "clear statement" stating that "the process of awarding the concession to be issued to someone other than the discontinued Astec will be discontinued and will be held" until the ordinance and agreement with APA have been established.

The minister had then already know that if the contract is terminated by the stevedoring company, APA is required to ensure that the new concessionaire takes over and employees of Astec any termination benefits for employees who do not go yet, to take on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 12:58:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62356.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New offshore bank

September 12, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The office of the new offshore bank BBA was officially opened last night. Besides Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) were several guests from Aruba and Venezuela present. As Leopoldo Castillo, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Managing Director Menelio Loef Stok, the former director of Banco di Caribe in Aruba, and lawyer Hendrik Croes, a member of the Supervisory Board. The bank was founded by Venezuelan investors and offers residents of the South American country the opportunity to deposit money, to open savings accounts, payments, credit cards and other financing to close. Already in May 2006 was a BBA permission from the Central Bank Aruba (CBA). Only recently, on July 10 this year, got the license of BBA CBA to Aruba from the offshore banking to exercise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 01:01:42 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62354.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Short prison for young repeat offender

September 12, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The 16-year J.W. yesterday for theft and illegal possession of weapons sentenced to 12 months probation and 10 cell whose probation for 2 years. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded 18 months imprisonment. Although the officer in strafeis take into account the young age of the offender, it took a long prison OM match the amount of crimes committed.

W. rightly stood for several robberies that occurred in the period between June 2007 and April 2009. Here he made in homes, hotel rooms and the bar of a sports include cash, an air pistol, electronic equipment and jewelry loot. The Court emphasized that in particular the life of our tourist island no good. The teenager was also charged with illegal possession of weapons and drug possession. In August 2008 the police during a traffic got to hear that someone with a gun was spotted. W. was then arrested and a loaded gun was found in pocket. In April this year he was also arrested with marijuana.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 13, 2009, 01:19:49 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 01:31:22 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....

 ::MonkeySlide::  It's good to see you billb!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 13, 2009, 01:35:51 AM
Hey Nitecrew, Anything new going on?     ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::
Like the new dogs!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 13, 2009, 01:36:45 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....

 ::MonkeySlide::  It's good to see you billb!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



You 2 Teaxasmom....
I hope you aren't getting flooded out this weekend...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 13, 2009, 01:39:49 AM
Hey Nitecrew, Anything new going on?     ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::
Like the new dogs!!!!!!!!!
Hi cajun miracle,
New docs posted by Klaasend....
Seems that skeeter/deepak settled on no attorney fees for skeeter and no more appeals by deepak against skeeter estate...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 13, 2009, 01:42:42 AM
Hey Nitecrew, Anything new going on?     ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::
Like the new dogs!!!!!!!!!
Hi cajun miracle,
New docs posted by Klaasend....
Seems that skeeter/deepak settled on no attorney fees for skeeter and no more appeals by deepak against skeeter estate...

Thanks Billb. I would think that's good news for the skeeter estate. I also hope that Texasmom is not flooding. We've had lots of rain but still doing ok.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 01:44:43 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....

 ::MonkeySlide::  It's good to see you billb!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You 2 Teaxasmom....
I hope you aren't getting flooded out this weekend...

We've had quite a bit of rain, but not as much as some from what I'm hearing.  So far so good for us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 01:46:34 AM
Hey Nitecrew, Anything new going on?     ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::
Like the new dogs!!!!!!!!!
Hi cajun miracle,
New docs posted by Klaasend....
Seems that skeeter/deepak settled on no attorney fees for skeeter and no more appeals by deepak against skeeter estate...

Thanks Billb. I would think that's good news for the skeeter estate. I also hope that Texasmom is not flooding. We've had lots of rain but still doing ok.

Hi cajun miracle!  We're still doing o.k. too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 13, 2009, 01:46:50 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....

 ::MonkeySlide::  It's good to see you billb!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You 2 Teaxasmom....
I hope you aren't getting flooded out this weekend...

We've had quite a bit of rain, but not as much as some from what I'm hearing.  So far so good for us.

Good to hear Texasmom. I'm sending you steady, soft rain to quench the drought, but NO flooding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 13, 2009, 01:47:58 AM
Nite all and justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 01:50:46 AM
Nite all and justice for Natalee.     ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 13, 2009, 01:55:10 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....

 ::MonkeySlide::  It's good to see you billb!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You 2 Teaxasmom....
I hope you aren't getting flooded out this weekend...

We've had quite a bit of rain, but not as much as some from what I'm hearing.  So far so good for us.
With enough rain in the right areas....
I'm sure I could convince ktf, wreck, robots, rob (heck...even deetch - Frank) and many others to take a little canoe trip ..say down the Colorado/Brazo/Guadalupe/DEVILS RIVERs...(hint hint) with the american traitors......We could end up in their neighborhood of Houston... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 02:02:50 AM
We sure could use more support from Lifesong, Kermit, Robots, private eye and others along the way....
not to say they are missing in action......just to say that their postings go a long way to keep us motivated and upbeat during lolls/down times....
I need to take a break...I'll read every day, but will refrain from posting....until Lifesong, Robots, private eye....come back...
The break was GREAT.....although Lifesong, robots, private eye didn't weigh in on my challenge...
PS..I never mentioned Kermit in my challenge... ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyAngel:: I'll be patient.....
Of course, Kermit came through with more updates as she always does.....
deepak/skeeter coming to a draw with no attorney fees recovery by skeeter....
Is that a win for deepak? Does it bode bad outcome for deepak/Dr. Phil?
Lifesong, Robots, private eye...please come across.....

 ::MonkeySlide::  It's good to see you billb!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You 2 Teaxasmom....
I hope you aren't getting flooded out this weekend...

We've had quite a bit of rain, but not as much as some from what I'm hearing.  So far so good for us.
With enough rain in the right areas....
I'm sure I could convince ktf, wreck, robots, rob (heck...even deetch - Frank) and many others to take a little canoe trip ..say down the Colorado/Brazo/Guadalupe/DEVILS RIVERs...(hint hint) with the american traitors......We could end up in their neighborhood of Houston... ::MonkeyCool::

I hear something!  Is that KTF clapping oars together?..... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 13, 2009, 02:03:17 AM
Hey Nitecrew, Anything new going on?     ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::
Like the new dogs!!!!!!!!!
Hi cajun miracle,
New docs posted by Klaasend....
Seems that skeeter/deepak settled on no attorney fees for skeeter and no more appeals by deepak against skeeter estate...

Thanks Billb. I would think that's good news for the skeeter estate. I also hope that Texasmom is not flooding. We've had lots of rain but still doing ok.
Yes Texasmom...Good news for Skeeter estate...but i wanted deepak and his attorneys(powered by paulass and aruba powers that be) bent over big time....
I surely hope Dr Phil doesn't agree to a draw.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 13, 2009, 02:35:37 AM
Good night Good Monkeys.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 02:39:54 AM
Good night Good Monkeys.......

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 02:40:57 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on September 13, 2009, 12:51:56 PM
I am still here.

TY for posting about the Estate of Jamie Skeeters.
Kay probably could not have settled his Estate until this was over with. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 13, 2009, 02:31:56 PM
Hi TM.....I have been wondering all day about the post of Kermit's....I hope We hear more soon!  billb is not playing fair.....I will miss Him also! 

ribbit

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I am curious if they are related too like Dompigs and Kalpoes, ya know, people who were
so-called "helping Dave".


Interesting.....I've been doing some comparisons myself this morning.  I hope you don't mind if I add to yours to see what everyone thinks.  Another relative...helper?

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9/8/2009 Awe Mainta Page 19

http://awemainta.com/home/


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Note last sentence.



Thank you Texasmom. Ain't that interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 04:00:24 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62360.php

Google translation:

Astec workers strike for job guarantee

September 12, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Dissatisfied employees of stevedoring company Astec have some time yesterday working out. They took to the streets because they want written assurances from the Government that their wages, job, individual and collective employment are maintained, whatever the outcome of the award process for container stevedoring in the port of Barcadera.

Astec last month after the arbitration case concerning the termination of the contract award at the Aruba Ports Authority (APA) lost, gave Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) of Tourism and Transport oral commitment to union stevedoring portuário Arubano Union (UPA), workers concerned that their jobs are not lose. The union, however, these guarantees require an ordinance. The union believes that the "not realistic" to expect the short term. In a letter to the Minister requires the union to September 16 a "clear statement" stating that "the process of awarding the concession to be issued to someone other than the discontinued Astec will be discontinued and will be held" until the ordinance and agreement with APA have been established.

The minister had then already know that if the contract is terminated by the stevedoring company, APA is required to ensure that the new concessionaire takes over and employees of Astec any termination benefits for employees who do not go yet, to take on.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4953&Itemid=1

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Papiamentu translation:

integracion in the compania owing to bay in accion

saturday, 12 september 2009 oranjestad – trahadonan of astec owing to reuni yesterday for informa all the miembronan of union portuario aruban on one carta cu they owing to send via of office of advocate gomes & bikker for minister of turism sr. eddy briesen, on the clarificacion cu they wanted for cu they possible integracion in apa, after cu the proceso of mudamento continua.

is so as everybody know astec owing to lose the caso in arbitrahe cu owing to give gobierno the opcion for follow cu the proyecto of platform. this is haci cu the trahadonan of astec have one garantia cu they work is follow but in apa, sinembargo the integracion in apa have the trahadonan preocupa, where cu they wanted one clarificacion on con the form of integracion is bay take luga.

sr. dave franken chairman of upa owing to give of conoce cu they owing to reuni cu minister once end y minister owing to stay of give they one contesta, but still they not owing to achieve none informacion, pesey they owing to send one carta for minister dunando the mandatario till day 16 of september proximo for give one contesta, but the trahadonan will take one next pace.

the trahadonan owing to compronde cu already end was have one proposicion on table, but minister owing to send the carta here bek, comokiera cu the do not feel cu the condicionnan ey is good. but the sindicato of upa not can owing to look at the condicionnan ey, then not can comenta nothing on the part ey. the trahadonan wanted for more pornto minister aclaria the articulo 17 in the acuerdo of astec, for so the trahadonan have one claridad more soon cu is possible. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 04:45:33 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/

The story is still on the front page for now.

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

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Story and pictures also here:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11915/5/









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 04:53:37 PM
http://www.facebook.com/albert.bruin?ref=fs

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Lots of interesting friends....

Not sure, but I think this may be his page too.

http://www.sonico.com/u/1676509/Albert_Bruin


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 05:03:59 PM
?

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2006-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2007-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=50

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Geoffrey set free Monday
Another youngster interrogated 6 hours
DIARIO Aruba
4/25/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the prosecutor decided to set the suspect Geoffrey van Cromvoirt free, and the American press was swarming the Beach police station like ants.

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In the following press release, the Public Prosecutor gave an update in the case of the disappearance of N. Holloway.

According to the Public Prosecutor, the prosecutor in charge of the case set Geoffrey free Monday morning. The reason for this is the basis for the inverzekeringstelling, the phase of the detention that G.v.C. was in, is no longer there. He remains a suspect.

Last Saturday, the 22nd of April 2006, police detained a male by the initials of A.B. of 20 years of age, related to the disappearance of N. Holloway. After 6 hours of interrogation, the young A.B. was set free.

When the prosecutor and the team have more information they can give, they will do so.

In the meantime, attorney Joe Tacopina revealed to the American press that the van der Sloot family is thinking of bringing a civil case against those who are speaking negatively and saying ugly things about Joran. On MSNBC, attorney Tacopina admitted that they are thinking of suing Beth Twitty, the mother of the missing student.

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Posted by Getagrip at 4/25/2006 11:08:00 AM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 06:54:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62354.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Short prison for young repeat offender

September 12, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The 16-year J.W. yesterday for theft and illegal possession of weapons sentenced to 12 months probation and 10 cell whose probation for 2 years. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded 18 months imprisonment. Although the officer in strafeis take into account the young age of the offender, it took a long prison OM match the amount of crimes committed.

W. rightly stood for several robberies that occurred in the period between June 2007 and April 2009. Here he made in homes, hotel rooms and the bar of a sports include cash, an air pistol, electronic equipment and jewelry loot. The Court emphasized that in particular the life of our tourist island no good. The teenager was also charged with illegal possession of weapons and drug possession. In August 2008 the police during a traffic got to hear that someone with a gun was spotted. W. was then arrested and a loaded gun was found in pocket. In April this year he was also arrested with marijuana.

9/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

see where we hubentud is bay child of 16 year fast huez for one cantidad of ladronicia y posecion of arm of candela

is increibel for see j. webb, one child of 16 year, present fast huez for give cuenta for one serie of delito cu past owing to haci. fiscal owing to present one serie of acusacion caminda esun more recien is relaciona cu one ladronicia for of bedroom at tamarijn hotel. the victimanan was some tourist cu owing to end of arrive aruba. afortunadamente all they pertenencia y coin owing to wordo recobra. this owing to sosode day 2 of april 2009 caminda on the parkeerplaats of sun plaza, miembronan of seguridad owing to detene webb.

yesterday huez owing to wing his mustrando cu thing past owing to haci is spanta tourist for come aruba. day 17 august 2008 during control of trafico in sound cayente in beach, at dado instant police owing to achieve informacion cu near of one lugar one person will have one arm. owing to come resulta cu the person here is webb y past owing to stay deteni. the arm of candela had one ball inside. j. webb is wordo acusa cu day 2 of june 2007 the together cu one another or others, owing to steal for of one cas of one pistool of air y/of one engine of schroefdraai.

j. webb is wordo acusa cu day 16 of january 2008, together cu one another or others owing to steal for of one cas, one cantidad of joyas y another pertenencianan. also the is wordo acusa cu day 13 of january 2008 together cu one another or others, past owing to steal for of one cas of one cantidad of joyas y/of one laptop y other propiedadnan.

j. webb is wordo acusa alabez of, together cu one another or others, on 25 of january 2008 owing to steal for of bar of one sportveld box of cervez y/of another pertenencia.

day 18 of feburary 2008 past owing to steal also for of one bedroom of hotel, coin y another articulonan. also the is wordo acusa of attempt of ladronicia on one bedroom of hotel. this will owing to sosode day 6 of november 2008. also past owing to wordo achieve at april 2009 cu one cierto cantidad of marihuana.

fiscal owing to as cuenta cu is deal here of one child, but also owing to as cuenta cu is one serie of ladronicia owing to wordo haci. past owing to exigi 18 month of jail, but huez his decision is cu the is condena webb at 12 month of jail of cual 10 month is condicional cu one time of proof of 2 year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 13, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
Good to see you 2NJ. :smt039

Hope the Shore was nice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
Good to see you 2NJ. :smt039

Hope the Shore was nice.

2NJ's home!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 07:51:54 PM


Hi Magnolia!   :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 13, 2009, 07:54:55 PM
Hey TM! ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 13, 2009, 08:22:53 PM
Hey TM! ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hope you had a great weekend! 

BBL...I'm going to watch a little TV.... ::MonkeyFBall::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 13, 2009, 10:12:35 PM
Good to see you 2NJ. :smt039

Hope the Shore was nice.

Hi, Magnolia....I'm sorry it took so long to respond....I was way behind in reading and then had a few things that took me away and I'm now just caught up.

The weather at the shore was rainy & cold until today.  Thankfully, we had a good time, good food and lots of laughs with the group we were with.  Got in a couple hours at the beach.   Thanks for asking.   ::MonkeyRain::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 13, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Good to see you 2NJ. :smt039

Hope the Shore was nice.

2NJ's home!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Hey, TM....thanks for bringing Natalee's candles forward and keeping up on the news for everyone.  Great job.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 13, 2009, 10:30:59 PM
Hey 2NJ, hope you had a good vacation.  Guess what I have been doing all weekend?  Working on my genealogy line in none other than New Jersey.  I have been reading their on-line records and it has been interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tylergal on September 13, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 13, 2009, 10:54:23 PM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.

Tylergal - it's so great to hear from you!  Thank you for checking in and letting us know you and your DH are fine.  I worry about everyone (just ask my husband  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ).  Did you see some of the new avatars I added?

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 13, 2009, 10:55:11 PM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.
Great to hear from you! We miss you you.  Nothing that brings all of us together than to remember our beloved pets.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 13, 2009, 11:09:55 PM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.

Hi Tyler good to see you. ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 13, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.

So good to see Tyler.  I think of her often.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 13, 2009, 11:47:57 PM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.

Hello friend....sorry I missed you.  So happy you have a border collie.....your gray Persian should be young at heart for a long time with a new puppy around.  Mere


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 13, 2009, 11:52:29 PM
So long Night Crew.... :2waver:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 12:09:46 AM
Good to see you 2NJ. :smt039

Hope the Shore was nice.

2NJ's home!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Hey, TM....thanks for bringing Natalee's candles forward and keeping up on the news for everyone.  Great job.   ::MonkeyCool::

YW 2NJ!  I'm glad you had a good time despite the weather!  We missed you!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 12:16:21 AM
Just dropped by to say hello.  I hope everyone is having a great fall beginning.  I have missed each and everyone of you.  Life is fine.  My gray Persian is still alive and well.  my tuxedo cat died.  my chow was put to sleep and we have a beautiful American border collie who wants to round up the cat which is now very old for cats.  DH and I are fine.  Nothing much to say except that we, like all of you, are very fortunate to have known such caring people who loved mankind enough to care for Natalee and her family.  Good luck and love to all.

I'm so glad you came by Tyler, we miss you!    ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 12:18:23 AM
So long Night Crew.... :2waver:



Sorry I missed you Mere!  Fell asleep watching the game, now I've got to find out who won!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 12:22:21 AM


Hi San!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 14, 2009, 12:30:44 AM
Hi Monkeys!!   ::MonkeyDance::

San? Thanks for answering the call for help with the thread change!   ::MonkeyWink::    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 12:31:59 AM
Hi Monkeys!!   ::MonkeyDance::

San? Thanks for answering the call for help with the thread change!   ::MonkeyWink::    ::MonkeyKiss::

Hi CBB!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 12:37:17 AM
Hi TM!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 12:44:37 AM
Hi TM!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Hotping!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 12:51:26 AM
Hi Janet!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 01:01:10 AM
Hi Hotping!  Hi Texasmom!

I hope you both had a good weekened.

There was a family gathering at my brother's home to day.  A good time was had by all.

Our two eldest home schooled grandsons (10/11) came home with us tonight and ... guess who are Teachers on Call (TOC) tomorrow.  The literature lesson is mine.  The math and science lessons are Papa.

Good Night

::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:07:27 AM
Hi Hotping!  Hi Texasmom!

I hope you both had a good weekened.

There was a family gathering at my brother's home to day.  A good time was had by all.

Our two eldest home schooled grandsons (10/11) came home with us tonight and ... guess who are Teachers on Call (TOC) tomorrow.  The literature lesson is mine.  The math and science lessons are Papa.

Good Night

::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


 
Good Night Janet....You... I believe will do very well with the literature lesson...Enjoy!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:08:50 AM
Hi Hotping!  Hi Texasmom!

I hope you both had a good weekened.

There was a family gathering at my brother's home to day.  A good time was had by all.

Our two eldest home schooled grandsons (10/11) came home with us tonight and ... guess who are Teachers on Call (TOC) tomorrow.  The literature lesson is mine.  The math and science lessons are Papa.

Good Night

::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
 

Hi Janet!  Yes, I had a good weekend and it sounds like you did too.  Have fun with the grandkids!

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 14, 2009, 01:13:04 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Walton Monkeys!   ::MonkeyWink::

Janet, hotping, TM................. good to see you, and anyone else I may have missed!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:14:36 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

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:smt030


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Walton Monkeys!   ::MonkeyWink::

Janet, hotping, TM................. good to see you, and anyone else I may have missed!   ::MonkeyWink::

::MonkeyHaHa::


Good to see you too CBB!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:20:56 AM
Hi CBB..Can You maybe get My Monkey ready for Halloween...That is when You have time.... ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:22:57 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

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:smt030
  :smt068


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:23:58 AM

Hi cajun miracle!  You can turn the rain off now please...  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought it had stopped, but now we're getting a very heavy rain!  If I go poof it's because the thunder's getting closer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:24:01 AM
Hi Cajun Miracle!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

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:smt030
  :smt068

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:27:25 AM

Hi cajun miracle!  You can turn the rain off now please...  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought it had stopped, but now we're getting a very heavy rain!  If I go poof it's because the thunder's getting closer.
I was up until 530AM because We were having bad storms last night and into the morning We have gotten 10 and 1/2 inches in 8 days...I'm not complaining We need the rain....Suppose to be more tonight.....and tomorrow.....can You say Water Logged...lol... TM be careful! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:34:49 AM

Hi cajun miracle!  You can turn the rain off now please...  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought it had stopped, but now we're getting a very heavy rain!  If I go poof it's because the thunder's getting closer.
I was up until 530AM because We were having bad storms last night and into the morning We have gotten 10 and 1/2 inches in 8 days...I'm not complaining We need the rain....Suppose to be more tonight.....and tomorrow.....can You say Water Logged...lol... TM be careful! 

Yes, we're getting there too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 01:36:51 AM
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Coolaruba/Gallery / I LOVE CHEERS @ Tiera Del Sol 5Sept / I LOVE CHEERS IS BACK (234).JPG


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:smt096


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:43:33 AM
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Coolaruba/Gallery / I LOVE CHEERS @ Tiera Del Sol 5Sept / I LOVE CHEERS IS BACK (234).JPG


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:smt096

:smt071


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 01:46:49 AM
Hi CBB..Can You maybe get My Monkey ready for Halloween...That is when You have time.... ::MonkeyKiss::
OOPS...Forgot to Add... TIA!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 02:26:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2009, 09:25:57 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 14, 2009, 09:51:56 AM
Hi CBB..Can You maybe get My Monkey ready for Halloween...That is when You have time.... ::MonkeyKiss::
OOPS...Forgot to Add... TIA!  ::MonkeyEek::

Sure, hotping!   ::MonkeyWink::

Good Morning, Monkeys! 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 12:02:40 PM
Hi CBB..Can You maybe get My Monkey ready for Halloween...That is when You have time.... ::MonkeyKiss::
OOPS...Forgot to Add... TIA!  ::MonkeyEek::

Sure, hotping!   ::MonkeyWink::

Good Morning, Monkeys! 


Thank You CBB!

Good Morning Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 14, 2009, 12:23:38 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

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:smt030
  :smt068

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping, this might help you feel a bit better about Ms Renfro  ::MonkeyCool::

Remember this?


Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxx(Credit Suisse Group / CANA)
ISP Credit Suisse Group / CANA
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : New York
Lat/Long : 40.7619, -73.9763 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; i-NavFourF; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
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Time of Visit Aug 27 2009 2:45:00 pm
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Time Zone UTC-5:00
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========

Well how about a bit of proof that particular Swiss bank is participating with our IRS?   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Rich Americans who have evaded taxes by hiding their foreign holdings have about a week to decide whether to turn themselves in to an Internal Revenue Service amnesty program or gamble that they will not be caught.

U.S. citizens with undeclared assets in tax havens such as Switzerland face a September 23 deadline to reveal their holdings, pay a fine and generally avoid criminal prosecution. When that amnesty program expires, any tax cheats found by the government could face criminal prosecution.

The IRS expects to find some tax evaders soon. UBS AG, the Swiss banking giant, agreed to hand over to the IRS the names of about 4,450 secret accounts as part of a court settlement reached last month.

"This is sort of their last, best chance if they are going to get off with lenient treatment," said Evan Stewart, a regulatory lawyer at the firm Zuckerman Spaeder.

"If you're sitting there and you've sheltered $50 million from the U.S. government, are you willing to gamble with the (list of) 4,500 (names), and live in terror for a year?" Stewart said.

The IRS said that in one week of July, about 400 individuals turned themselves in under the amnesty program. That was four times higher than the number of tax-evaders who stepped forward in all of 2008, according to the agency.

The IRS declined to provide any other figures about participation in its amnesty program.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman warned investors with money or securities in overseas accounts to step forward before the deadline. "Once the Swiss government turns over names, all bets are off," he said when announcing the UBS deal.

It appears to be working.

"They are all terrified," said Ken Rubinstein, who handles such cases in New York.

Under the UBS settlement, the bank agreed to first hand over names of 500 clients within about two months to Swiss authorities, who will review them before sending the list to U.S. officials. The remaining names will be submitted in a similar process by about May of next year.

At the same time, IRS officials have said that other foreign banks are being queried for possibly helping the wealthy evade taxes, although they have declined to be specific.

Lawyers say their clients include UBS holders but also those with funds at HSBC Holdings PLC Credit Suisse Group  AG and in other offshore locations such as the Cayman Islands.

THREE DAY TURNAROUND

The approaching deadline has created a boon for tax lawyers.

"We and pretty much every other practitioner I know are being swamped with calls from clients who have waited until the 11th hour," said Scott Michel, a lawyer who is handling about 250 amnesty cases at Caplin & Drysdale.

Michel, whose clients have accounts valued between $1 million and $10 million, said they range from sympathetic Holocaust survivors to more typical tax dodgers.

"There are some people who were just cheating on their taxes; there is no doubt about it," Michel said.

The IRS began the program in March, part of an agency-wide focus on catching tax dodgers, to help make a dent in the $345 billion tax gap -- the amount the agency estimates goes uncollected each year.

Steven Mopsick, who worked for the IRS for 30 years, said he is getting a three-day turnaround when he submits information to the IRS for the amnesty program.

After checks on a client's passport or Social Security number to ensure there are no ongoing IRS probes, and a signature confirming that no income has come from illegal sources, the IRS grants a conditional approval before even looking at the tax forms.

The agency "is interested in getting these things approved," said Mopsick, who is handling about 30 clients with accounts valued between $1 million and $2 million. "The acceptance letter says you have been conditionally approved for the program; sit tight and an agent will contact you," he said.

Several lawyers involved in the program say many of their clients are immigrants who have inherited the funds.

"The one thing that I'm noticing with some degree of surprise is how ordinary the clients are," Rubinstein said. "The vast majority of our clients are ordinary. We haven't seen many billionaires."

(Reporting by Kim Dixon, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090914/us_nm/us_ubs_tax_evasion

Now, I know this is all still somewhat circumstantial - but I'm finally willing to go out on a limb and state the obvious.

It appears Julia Renfro, at some point in the recent past, has come into a large enough amount of money to try and hide if from the IRS.

Being a US citizen and all, she IS still accountable to her country's tax laws.


So - what did Renfro do to earn that money, and who did she do it for?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 14, 2009, 12:24:45 PM
TxMom - great digging on the possible identity of "A.B."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2009, 12:38:31 PM
TxMom - great digging on the possible identity of "A.B."

I think I missed that.......     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 12:42:03 PM
2NJ

Your are back!!!

I hope you had a good getaway.  I will pick up the carrot cake this afternoon from Safeway for our party.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 14, 2009, 12:44:33 PM
TxMom - great digging on the possible identity of "A.B."

I think I missed that.......     

Back 2 pages, first 2 posts... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 14, 2009, 12:47:40 PM
TICK - TOCK JULIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://bestsmileys.com/kissing2/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

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:smt030
  :smt068

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping, this might help you feel a bit better about Ms Renfro  ::MonkeyCool::

Remember this?


Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxx(Credit Suisse Group / CANA)
ISP Credit Suisse Group / CANA
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : New York
Lat/Long : 40.7619, -73.9763 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
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Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Aug 27 2009 4:45:00 pm
Visit Number 16,887
========

Well how about a bit of proof that particular Swiss bank is participating with our IRS?   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Rich Americans who have evaded taxes by hiding their foreign holdings have about a week to decide whether to turn themselves in to an Internal Revenue Service amnesty program or gamble that they will not be caught.

U.S. citizens with undeclared assets in tax havens such as Switzerland face a September 23 deadline to reveal their holdings, pay a fine and generally avoid criminal prosecution. When that amnesty program expires, any tax cheats found by the government could face criminal prosecution.

The IRS expects to find some tax evaders soon. UBS AG, the Swiss banking giant, agreed to hand over to the IRS the names of about 4,450 secret accounts as part of a court settlement reached last month.

"This is sort of their last, best chance if they are going to get off with lenient treatment," said Evan Stewart, a regulatory lawyer at the firm Zuckerman Spaeder.

"If you're sitting there and you've sheltered $50 million from the U.S. government, are you willing to gamble with the (list of) 4,500 (names), and live in terror for a year?" Stewart said.

The IRS said that in one week of July, about 400 individuals turned themselves in under the amnesty program. That was four times higher than the number of tax-evaders who stepped forward in all of 2008, according to the agency.

The IRS declined to provide any other figures about participation in its amnesty program.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman warned investors with money or securities in overseas accounts to step forward before the deadline. "Once the Swiss government turns over names, all bets are off," he said when announcing the UBS deal.

It appears to be working.

"They are all terrified," said Ken Rubinstein, who handles such cases in New York.

Under the UBS settlement, the bank agreed to first hand over names of 500 clients within about two months to Swiss authorities, who will review them before sending the list to U.S. officials. The remaining names will be submitted in a similar process by about May of next year.

At the same time, IRS officials have said that other foreign banks are being queried for possibly helping the wealthy evade taxes, although they have declined to be specific.

Lawyers say their clients include UBS holders but also those with funds at HSBC Holdings PLC Credit Suisse Group  AG and in other offshore locations such as the Cayman Islands.

THREE DAY TURNAROUND

The approaching deadline has created a boon for tax lawyers.

"We and pretty much every other practitioner I know are being swamped with calls from clients who have waited until the 11th hour," said Scott Michel, a lawyer who is handling about 250 amnesty cases at Caplin & Drysdale.

Michel, whose clients have accounts valued between $1 million and $10 million, said they range from sympathetic Holocaust survivors to more typical tax dodgers.

"There are some people who were just cheating on their taxes; there is no doubt about it," Michel said.

The IRS began the program in March, part of an agency-wide focus on catching tax dodgers, to help make a dent in the $345 billion tax gap -- the amount the agency estimates goes uncollected each year.

Steven Mopsick, who worked for the IRS for 30 years, said he is getting a three-day turnaround when he submits information to the IRS for the amnesty program.

After checks on a client's passport or Social Security number to ensure there are no ongoing IRS probes, and a signature confirming that no income has come from illegal sources, the IRS grants a conditional approval before even looking at the tax forms.

The agency "is interested in getting these things approved," said Mopsick, who is handling about 30 clients with accounts valued between $1 million and $2 million. "The acceptance letter says you have been conditionally approved for the program; sit tight and an agent will contact you," he said.

Several lawyers involved in the program say many of their clients are immigrants who have inherited the funds.

"The one thing that I'm noticing with some degree of surprise is how ordinary the clients are," Rubinstein said. "The vast majority of our clients are ordinary. We haven't seen many billionaires."

(Reporting by Kim Dixon, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090914/us_nm/us_ubs_tax_evasion

Now, I know this is all still somewhat circumstantial - but I'm finally willing to go out on a limb and state the obvious.

It appears Julia Renfro, at some point in the recent past, has come into a large enough amount of money to try and hide if from the IRS.

Being a US citizen and all, she IS still accountable to her country's tax laws.


So - what did Renfro do to earn that money, and who did she do it for?
Thanks Jen! It will definitely make Me feel better if They get Her A$$....  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 12:57:08 PM
TICK - TOCK JULIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://bestsmileys.com/kissing2/3.gif)
  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 12:58:21 PM
Hi 2NJ...Sure is Good To have You Back!  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 14, 2009, 01:02:25 PM

Thanks Jen! It will definitely make Me feel better if They get Her A$$....  ::MonkeyDevil::
[/quote]

YW!

Well either way, they're going to.

Either she turns herself in, pays the taxes and fines and avoids jail time - or she doesn't, and the IRS issues a warrant for her arrest.............and some kind citizen lets them know where to find her.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 14, 2009, 01:05:04 PM

Thanks Jen! It will definitely make Me feel better if They get Her A$$....  ::MonkeyDevil::

YW!

Well either way, they're going to.

Either she turns herself in, pays the taxes and fines and avoids jail time - or she doesn't, and the IRS issues a warrant for her arrest.............and some kind citizen lets them know where to find her.  ::MonkeyCool::
[/quote]

ETA:  Obviously, the IRS themselves cannot issue the warrant, the Dept of Justice would have to do that.

And on that note - I wonder if she would be willing to give them information about a specific missing US teen, in exchange for any leniency on fines or jail time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2009, 01:33:33 PM
2NJ

Your are back!!!

I hope you had a good getaway.  I will pick up the carrot cake this afternoon from Safeway for our party.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Janet

 ::MonkeyKiss::    We had a wonderful time, thank you.   I'll be ready for a piece of that cake after all the laundry is done....at least the unpacking is completed.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2009, 01:35:50 PM
TxMom - great digging on the possible identity of "A.B."

I think I missed that.......     

Back 2 pages, first 2 posts... ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks, Jen.  I did see that last night but didn't retain it very well.   We always need a vacation after having had one.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2009, 01:38:35 PM
Hi 2NJ...Sure is Good To have You Back!  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks, hotping..... I'm still catching up, in and out of the cage...    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 14, 2009, 02:51:12 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

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:smt030
  :smt068

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping, this might help you feel a bit better about Ms Renfro  ::MonkeyCool::

Remember this?


Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxx(Credit Suisse Group / CANA)
ISP Credit Suisse Group / CANA
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : New York
Lat/Long : 40.7619, -73.9763 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
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Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
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Out Click
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Visitor's Time Aug 27 2009 4:45:00 pm
Visit Number 16,887
========

Well how about a bit of proof that particular Swiss bank is participating with our IRS?   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Rich Americans who have evaded taxes by hiding their foreign holdings have about a week to decide whether to turn themselves in to an Internal Revenue Service amnesty program or gamble that they will not be caught.

U.S. citizens with undeclared assets in tax havens such as Switzerland face a September 23 deadline to reveal their holdings, pay a fine and generally avoid criminal prosecution. When that amnesty program expires, any tax cheats found by the government could face criminal prosecution.

The IRS expects to find some tax evaders soon. UBS AG, the Swiss banking giant, agreed to hand over to the IRS the names of about 4,450 secret accounts as part of a court settlement reached last month.

"This is sort of their last, best chance if they are going to get off with lenient treatment," said Evan Stewart, a regulatory lawyer at the firm Zuckerman Spaeder.

"If you're sitting there and you've sheltered $50 million from the U.S. government, are you willing to gamble with the (list of) 4,500 (names), and live in terror for a year?" Stewart said.

The IRS said that in one week of July, about 400 individuals turned themselves in under the amnesty program. That was four times higher than the number of tax-evaders who stepped forward in all of 2008, according to the agency.

The IRS declined to provide any other figures about participation in its amnesty program.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman warned investors with money or securities in overseas accounts to step forward before the deadline. "Once the Swiss government turns over names, all bets are off," he said when announcing the UBS deal.

It appears to be working.

"They are all terrified," said Ken Rubinstein, who handles such cases in New York.

Under the UBS settlement, the bank agreed to first hand over names of 500 clients within about two months to Swiss authorities, who will review them before sending the list to U.S. officials. The remaining names will be submitted in a similar process by about May of next year.

At the same time, IRS officials have said that other foreign banks are being queried for possibly helping the wealthy evade taxes, although they have declined to be specific.

Lawyers say their clients include UBS holders but also those with funds at HSBC Holdings PLC Credit Suisse Group  AG and in other offshore locations such as the Cayman Islands.

THREE DAY TURNAROUND

The approaching deadline has created a boon for tax lawyers.

"We and pretty much every other practitioner I know are being swamped with calls from clients who have waited until the 11th hour," said Scott Michel, a lawyer who is handling about 250 amnesty cases at Caplin & Drysdale.

Michel, whose clients have accounts valued between $1 million and $10 million, said they range from sympathetic Holocaust survivors to more typical tax dodgers.

"There are some people who were just cheating on their taxes; there is no doubt about it," Michel said.

The IRS began the program in March, part of an agency-wide focus on catching tax dodgers, to help make a dent in the $345 billion tax gap -- the amount the agency estimates goes uncollected each year.

Steven Mopsick, who worked for the IRS for 30 years, said he is getting a three-day turnaround when he submits information to the IRS for the amnesty program.

After checks on a client's passport or Social Security number to ensure there are no ongoing IRS probes, and a signature confirming that no income has come from illegal sources, the IRS grants a conditional approval before even looking at the tax forms.

The agency "is interested in getting these things approved," said Mopsick, who is handling about 30 clients with accounts valued between $1 million and $2 million. "The acceptance letter says you have been conditionally approved for the program; sit tight and an agent will contact you," he said.

Several lawyers involved in the program say many of their clients are immigrants who have inherited the funds.

"The one thing that I'm noticing with some degree of surprise is how ordinary the clients are," Rubinstein said. "The vast majority of our clients are ordinary. We haven't seen many billionaires."

(Reporting by Kim Dixon, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090914/us_nm/us_ubs_tax_evasion

Now, I know this is all still somewhat circumstantial - but I'm finally willing to go out on a limb and state the obvious.

It appears Julia Renfro, at some point in the recent past, has come into a large enough amount of money to try and hide if from the IRS.

Being a US citizen and all, she IS still accountable to her country's tax laws.


So - what did Renfro do to earn that money, and who did she do it for?

Monday,Monday..... ::MonkeyGavel:: Tax evasion??Who woulda thought Jen3560.. ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 14, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1095224&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=4c43e675b2b83414755bc07b93b079fe)

:smt030
  :smt068

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping, this might help you feel a bit better about Ms Renfro  ::MonkeyCool::

Remember this?


Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxx(Credit Suisse Group / CANA)
ISP Credit Suisse Group / CANA
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : New York
Lat/Long : 40.7619, -73.9763 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft WinXP
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; i-NavFourF; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
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Color Depth : 32 bits

Time of Visit Aug 27 2009 2:45:00 pm
Last Page View Aug 27 2009 2:45:00 pm
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Search Engine google.com
Search Words julia renfro  
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreeb...role-in-natalee.html
Visit Exit Page http://nataleesfreeb...role-in-natalee.html
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Aug 27 2009 4:45:00 pm
Visit Number 16,887
========

Well how about a bit of proof that particular Swiss bank is participating with our IRS?   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Rich Americans who have evaded taxes by hiding their foreign holdings have about a week to decide whether to turn themselves in to an Internal Revenue Service amnesty program or gamble that they will not be caught.

U.S. citizens with undeclared assets in tax havens such as Switzerland face a September 23 deadline to reveal their holdings, pay a fine and generally avoid criminal prosecution. When that amnesty program expires, any tax cheats found by the government could face criminal prosecution.

The IRS expects to find some tax evaders soon. UBS AG, the Swiss banking giant, agreed to hand over to the IRS the names of about 4,450 secret accounts as part of a court settlement reached last month.

"This is sort of their last, best chance if they are going to get off with lenient treatment," said Evan Stewart, a regulatory lawyer at the firm Zuckerman Spaeder.

"If you're sitting there and you've sheltered $50 million from the U.S. government, are you willing to gamble with the (list of) 4,500 (names), and live in terror for a year?" Stewart said.

The IRS said that in one week of July, about 400 individuals turned themselves in under the amnesty program. That was four times higher than the number of tax-evaders who stepped forward in all of 2008, according to the agency.

The IRS declined to provide any other figures about participation in its amnesty program.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman warned investors with money or securities in overseas accounts to step forward before the deadline. "Once the Swiss government turns over names, all bets are off," he said when announcing the UBS deal.

It appears to be working.

"They are all terrified," said Ken Rubinstein, who handles such cases in New York.

Under the UBS settlement, the bank agreed to first hand over names of 500 clients within about two months to Swiss authorities, who will review them before sending the list to U.S. officials. The remaining names will be submitted in a similar process by about May of next year.

At the same time, IRS officials have said that other foreign banks are being queried for possibly helping the wealthy evade taxes, although they have declined to be specific.

Lawyers say their clients include UBS holders but also those with funds at HSBC Holdings PLC Credit Suisse Group  AG and in other offshore locations such as the Cayman Islands.

THREE DAY TURNAROUND

The approaching deadline has created a boon for tax lawyers.

"We and pretty much every other practitioner I know are being swamped with calls from clients who have waited until the 11th hour," said Scott Michel, a lawyer who is handling about 250 amnesty cases at Caplin & Drysdale.

Michel, whose clients have accounts valued between $1 million and $10 million, said they range from sympathetic Holocaust survivors to more typical tax dodgers.

"There are some people who were just cheating on their taxes; there is no doubt about it," Michel said.

The IRS began the program in March, part of an agency-wide focus on catching tax dodgers, to help make a dent in the $345 billion tax gap -- the amount the agency estimates goes uncollected each year.

Steven Mopsick, who worked for the IRS for 30 years, said he is getting a three-day turnaround when he submits information to the IRS for the amnesty program.

After checks on a client's passport or Social Security number to ensure there are no ongoing IRS probes, and a signature confirming that no income has come from illegal sources, the IRS grants a conditional approval before even looking at the tax forms.

The agency "is interested in getting these things approved," said Mopsick, who is handling about 30 clients with accounts valued between $1 million and $2 million. "The acceptance letter says you have been conditionally approved for the program; sit tight and an agent will contact you," he said.

Several lawyers involved in the program say many of their clients are immigrants who have inherited the funds.

"The one thing that I'm noticing with some degree of surprise is how ordinary the clients are," Rubinstein said. "The vast majority of our clients are ordinary. We haven't seen many billionaires."

(Reporting by Kim Dixon, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090914/us_nm/us_ubs_tax_evasion

Now, I know this is all still somewhat circumstantial - but I'm finally willing to go out on a limb and state the obvious.

It appears Julia Renfro, at some point in the recent past, has come into a large enough amount of money to try and hide if from the IRS.

Being a US citizen and all, she IS still accountable to her country's tax laws.


So - what did Renfro do to earn that money, and who did she do it for?

Monday,Monday..... ::MonkeyGavel:: Tax evasion??Who woulda thought Jen3560.. ::MonkeyTease::

Reckon she got the face lift so she would look better on her mug shot? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 05:30:01 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1095222

Coolaruba/Gallery / Afterparty Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 with Anacaona @ CILO City Lounge 6Sept / Caribbean Sea Jazz Festival 2009 a Cere cu broche di Oro (65).JPG
 

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1095224&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=4c43e675b2b83414755bc07b93b079fe)

:smt030
  :smt068

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping, this might help you feel a bit better about Ms Renfro  ::MonkeyCool::

Remember this?


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Well how about a bit of proof that particular Swiss bank is participating with our IRS?   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Rich Americans who have evaded taxes by hiding their foreign holdings have about a week to decide whether to turn themselves in to an Internal Revenue Service amnesty program or gamble that they will not be caught.

U.S. citizens with undeclared assets in tax havens such as Switzerland face a September 23 deadline to reveal their holdings, pay a fine and generally avoid criminal prosecution. When that amnesty program expires, any tax cheats found by the government could face criminal prosecution.

The IRS expects to find some tax evaders soon. UBS AG, the Swiss banking giant, agreed to hand over to the IRS the names of about 4,450 secret accounts as part of a court settlement reached last month.

"This is sort of their last, best chance if they are going to get off with lenient treatment," said Evan Stewart, a regulatory lawyer at the firm Zuckerman Spaeder.

"If you're sitting there and you've sheltered $50 million from the U.S. government, are you willing to gamble with the (list of) 4,500 (names), and live in terror for a year?" Stewart said.

The IRS said that in one week of July, about 400 individuals turned themselves in under the amnesty program. That was four times higher than the number of tax-evaders who stepped forward in all of 2008, according to the agency.

The IRS declined to provide any other figures about participation in its amnesty program.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman warned investors with money or securities in overseas accounts to step forward before the deadline. "Once the Swiss government turns over names, all bets are off," he said when announcing the UBS deal.

It appears to be working.

"They are all terrified," said Ken Rubinstein, who handles such cases in New York.

Under the UBS settlement, the bank agreed to first hand over names of 500 clients within about two months to Swiss authorities, who will review them before sending the list to U.S. officials. The remaining names will be submitted in a similar process by about May of next year.

At the same time, IRS officials have said that other foreign banks are being queried for possibly helping the wealthy evade taxes, although they have declined to be specific.

Lawyers say their clients include UBS holders but also those with funds at HSBC Holdings PLC Credit Suisse Group  AG and in other offshore locations such as the Cayman Islands.

THREE DAY TURNAROUND

The approaching deadline has created a boon for tax lawyers.

"We and pretty much every other practitioner I know are being swamped with calls from clients who have waited until the 11th hour," said Scott Michel, a lawyer who is handling about 250 amnesty cases at Caplin & Drysdale.

Michel, whose clients have accounts valued between $1 million and $10 million, said they range from sympathetic Holocaust survivors to more typical tax dodgers.

"There are some people who were just cheating on their taxes; there is no doubt about it," Michel said.

The IRS began the program in March, part of an agency-wide focus on catching tax dodgers, to help make a dent in the $345 billion tax gap -- the amount the agency estimates goes uncollected each year.

Steven Mopsick, who worked for the IRS for 30 years, said he is getting a three-day turnaround when he submits information to the IRS for the amnesty program.

After checks on a client's passport or Social Security number to ensure there are no ongoing IRS probes, and a signature confirming that no income has come from illegal sources, the IRS grants a conditional approval before even looking at the tax forms.

The agency "is interested in getting these things approved," said Mopsick, who is handling about 30 clients with accounts valued between $1 million and $2 million. "The acceptance letter says you have been conditionally approved for the program; sit tight and an agent will contact you," he said.

Several lawyers involved in the program say many of their clients are immigrants who have inherited the funds.

"The one thing that I'm noticing with some degree of surprise is how ordinary the clients are," Rubinstein said. "The vast majority of our clients are ordinary. We haven't seen many billionaires."

(Reporting by Kim Dixon, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090914/us_nm/us_ubs_tax_evasion

Now, I know this is all still somewhat circumstantial - but I'm finally willing to go out on a limb and state the obvious.

It appears Julia Renfro, at some point in the recent past, has come into a large enough amount of money to try and hide if from the IRS.

Being a US citizen and all, she IS still accountable to her country's tax laws.


So - what did Renfro do to earn that money, and who did she do it for?

Monday,Monday..... ::MonkeyGavel:: Tax evasion??Who woulda thought Jen3560.. ::MonkeyTease::

Reckon she got the face lift so she would look better on her mug shot? ::MonkeyJnBox::
Well IMO if She did Someone needs to let Her know She wasted Her money... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 06:15:01 PM


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62398.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Emergency landing due to smoke in cabin

September 14, 2009, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The control tower of Reina Beatrix airport hit in the night from Saturday to Sunday the alarm. An American Airlines plane bound for Miami from Brazil reported "smoke in the cabin" and asked the traffic control for permission for an emergency landing Aruba. This was the tower directly activated the emergency alarm and beaten. The plane landed safely at the airport and was a technical inspection after the prosecution voyage towards Brazil.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 07:50:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62405.php

Google translation:

"Aruba Dutch European discrimination '

September 14, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - Following the turmoil created by the introduction of the new Alien Admission Policy, the Dutch parliamentarian Hero Brinkman (PVV) Kamervragen made. Brinkman believes that the European Dutch heavily discriminated against by the new system. He expresses his concern about the present situation and asking for clarification Bijleveld.

Sun wants to know whether Brinkman Bijleveld, Secretary of the Interior and Kingdom Relations (CDA) is aware of the article was published Thursday in the Amigoe the Aliens Admission Policy.

He wants clarification on the old system in a calendar year a European Dutchman could stay here up to 180 days, then 30 days elsewhere and then up again 180 days consecutive to Aruba could stay. "How can fairly evaluate this policy change and are you prepared something against it?" Said the concerned Member of Parliament.
Following the fear of reprisals Brinkman wants to know whether Bijleveld thereof and if so whether they will do something against. The PVV also wants a reply from the State Secretary whether the Representation of the Netherlands to Aruba (VNO) is aware and informed view of what is VNO.

Geschooierd money

Brinkman is so that there is discrimination. "Do you agree that it is not right that a country like Aruba, in its entire existence, the Netherlands geschooierd money, then that same Dutch as Dutch European heavy discriminate? "He wondered whether the reverse would also apply. And if that is not the case: "Why should that Aruba or do in our own Dutch and we are not with them?"

Tijs Manten, spokesman for State Secretary Bijleveld may have no response to give Kamervragen. "The first questions should be answered in the House before being made public. He expects that in all likelihood, within the applicable period of three weeks to happen. "Manten can not say whether the state secretary was aware of the change in the Admission Decision Aliens, who unexpectedly made. The information he currently has, he has learned from the media.

The Dutch press has also picked up the story. Sun headlined the Telegraph yesterday: "Aruba is strict. In the article of the Dutch morning paper late Ayesha Engelbrecht, deputy director of Dimas this: "There are now four cases of people who on arrival at the airport that she first heard an authorization to rentiers. They had been 180 days, sometimes contiguous, sometimes not, Aruba was the last twelve months. Among them, an elderly woman who lived here for nine years ", affirms Engelbrecht. "We have been accommodating to them. They were first to their home in Aruba, for example, even just for their dogs to settle things, as they promised in writing within six weeks to arrange the documents. "

Dimas is charged with implementing the National Ordinance on Admission and Expulsion (LTU). She gives, together with other bodies in the chain are foreigners, advice and carry out decisions. In 2006 Aruba and the Netherlands signed a protocol of cooperation agreements are. This protocol was agreed among others that the policy is reviewed regularly by both countries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 14, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 08:14:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62401.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"More tax on the horizon '

September 14, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - After the signing of tax treaties and agreements last week in France and the Netherlands, Aruba is planning to further expand that number.

The delegation comprising Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs, Nilo Swaen (MEP) and representatives of the Tax Department, is negotiating this week in Belgium and there are negotiations with Great Britain started. Swaen reports that soon the tax agreements with Mexico and Canada are ready.

The purpose of government is primarily by favorable tax conditions and create more transparency on the other hand, to attract more investors. After signing the so-called Tax Information Exchange Agreement (TIEA) with Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Greenland and the Faroe Islands - collectively called the Nordics - and the British Virgin Islands and St. Kitts & Nevis Aruba is on the whitelist OECD or the OECD. This means that our country internationally no longer be regarded as a tax haven.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 08:15:45 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::

Thanks hotping.   :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 14, 2009, 09:20:30 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 09:33:56 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



Same here Blue Moon....loved to hear him sing too...   ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfg97-5uhFQ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 14, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
Hi Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope you won't mind me making a drop off for Hotping. She asked for a Halloween avatar.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif

I saw Julia Renho's face as I got here, and thought Halloween was already here!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: msmarple on September 14, 2009, 11:30:40 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



Hi Monkeys,

As promised - I do still try to read here, I just haven’t been able to follow the crazy twists and turns in this case that brought so many people together. Ergo, I don’t feel I have anything to bring to the table.

I am pretty confident that the Murder & Crime thread put a whammy on Aruba for at least some travel writers. I just came to a point that I didn’t have time to find and attempt to translate the crime articles. texasmom knows how time-consuming that is (she deserves thanks every single day).

Having said that – I do have an observation, and I’m sure all of you have done so as well: It is interesting that Aruba lets the Patrick-Joran tapes exonerate 2K, but won’t buy Joran’s confession on the tapes. I guess Aruba found some legal-techno-mumbo rationale for this arbitrary, selective picking and choosing. It helps, of course, that there’s no physical evidence – and we all know why. So does Aruba.

Re. Patrick Swayze – remember when we were using that line from “Dirty Dancing” here – Nobody puts baby in the corner. (I think we were talking about Beth.)

I have so many good monkey memories from here. (Well, one or two unpleasant ones. I had to step away a few times and take 4,000 deep breaths.)

But what a fun and dedicated group we were, and still are. Just sorry that so many unfortunate divisions and diversions came along.

Eternal gratitude to klaas, who has my greatest respect. Thank you for keeping it all together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 14, 2009, 11:39:38 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



Hi Monkeys,

As promised - I do still try to read here, I just haven’t been able to follow the crazy twists and turns in this case that brought so many people together. Ergo, I don’t feel I have anything to bring to the table.

I am pretty confident that the Murder & Crime thread put a whammy on Aruba for at least some travel writers. I just came to a point that I didn’t have time to find and attempt to translate the crime articles. texasmom knows how time-consuming that is (she deserves thanks every single day).

Having said that – I do have an observation, and I’m sure all of you have done so as well: It is interesting that Aruba lets the Patrick-Joran tapes exonerate 2K, but won’t buy Joran’s confession on the tapes. I guess Aruba found some legal-techno-mumbo rationale for this arbitrary, selective picking and choosing. It helps, of course, that there’s no physical evidence – and we all know why. So does Aruba.

Re. Patrick Swayze – remember when we were using that line from “Dirty Dancing” here – Nobody puts baby in the corner. (I think we were talking about Beth.)

I have so many good monkey memories from here. (Well, one or two unpleasant ones. I had to step away a few times and take 4,000 deep breaths.)

But what a fun and dedicated group we were, and still are. Just sorry that so many unfortunate divisions and diversions came along.

Eternal gratitude to klaas, who has my greatest respect. Thank you for keeping it all together.


No one will put us in the corner, msmarple....and it's always a pleasure to see you here.  We've all had our moments....but it's about Natalee, so that's why we still are here. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 11:44:02 PM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



Hi Monkeys,

As promised - I do still try to read here, I just haven’t been able to follow the crazy twists and turns in this case that brought so many people together. Ergo, I don’t feel I have anything to bring to the table.

I am pretty confident that the Murder & Crime thread put a whammy on Aruba for at least some travel writers. I just came to a point that I didn’t have time to find and attempt to translate the crime articles. texasmom knows how time-consuming that is (she deserves thanks every single day).

Having said that – I do have an observation, and I’m sure all of you have done so as well: It is interesting that Aruba lets the Patrick-Joran tapes exonerate 2K, but won’t buy Joran’s confession on the tapes. I guess Aruba found some legal-techno-mumbo rationale for this arbitrary, selective picking and choosing. It helps, of course, that there’s no physical evidence – and we all know why. So does Aruba.

Re. Patrick Swayze – remember when we were using that line from “Dirty Dancing” here – Nobody puts baby in the corner. (I think we were talking about Beth.)

I have so many good monkey memories from here. (Well, one or two unpleasant ones. I had to step away a few times and take 4,000 deep breaths.)

But what a fun and dedicated group we were, and still are. Just sorry that so many unfortunate divisions and diversions came along.

Eternal gratitude to klaas, who has my greatest respect. Thank you for keeping it all together.


Hi msmarple!  RE: bolded above....As always...great observation!   ::MonkeyCool::

You are missed, I hope you have the time...and come share your observations more often!

I know one thing for certain from spending time in the Murder and Crime thread....YOU can never be thanked enough for all you've done!

Thank you!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

and I agree Klaas...well she's simply amazing!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 14, 2009, 11:52:52 PM


Thanks to all our SUPER TERRIFIC mods for all you do!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: msmarple on September 15, 2009, 12:05:13 AM
Yes, all the mods are great; can't say enough abut them.

And OMG, some of these avitars! Whacky works of art!

Does anyone else having trouble typing posts these days? Text is lagging way behind my typing speed. I think it might be the dazzling array of emoticons. (I know, nit picking ... just wondered if anyone else noticed.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 12:16:14 AM
Yes, all the mods are great; can't say enough abut them.

And OMG, some of these avitars! Whacky works of art!

Does anyone else having trouble typing posts these days? Text is lagging way behind my typing speed. I think it might be the dazzling array of emoticons. (I know, nit picking ... just wondered if anyone else noticed.)

Hey MsMarple,
I think your problem is your settings.  Wreck told me how to fix it.
Go to TOOLS in the upper right corner of your screen and click on compatability....but I forgot the rest of it. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 12:24:27 AM
Hi Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope you won't mind me making a drop off for Hotping. She asked for a Halloween avatar.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif

I saw Julia Renho's face as I got here, and thought Halloween was already here!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyTease::

Oooooohhhh, CBB that's going to scare Hotping. ::MonkeyShocked::
Is that Mrs. Haversham drifting by?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: msmarple on September 15, 2009, 12:26:17 AM
Yes, all the mods are great; can't say enough abut them.

And OMG, some of these avitars! Whacky works of art!

Does anyone else having trouble typing posts these days? Text is lagging way behind my typing speed. I think it might be the dazzling array of emoticons. (I know, nit picking ... just wondered if anyone else noticed.)

Hey MsMarple,
I think your problem is your settings.  Wreck told me how to fix it.
Go to TOOLS in the upper right corner of your screen and click on compatability....but I forgot the rest of it. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hummm. Testing; seems to be much better now. Turns out there was no "rest of it" -- just click on Compatibility View; puts a check mark by it. So thanks Magnolia for remembering what to do where! (Grrrr. Sometimes I wish people would stop trying to make computer applications so darn "helpful" ... )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 15, 2009, 12:32:21 AM
Yes, all the mods are great; can't say enough abut them.

And OMG, some of these avitars! Whacky works of art!

Does anyone else having trouble typing posts these days? Text is lagging way behind my typing speed. I think it might be the dazzling array of emoticons. (I know, nit picking ... just wondered if anyone else noticed.)

Hey MsMarple,
I think your problem is your settings.  Wreck told me how to fix it.
Go to TOOLS in the upper right corner of your screen and click on compatability....but I forgot the rest of it. ::MonkeyHaHa::
In IE8 go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > Put a checkmark in box "View All Websites In Compatable View"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2009, 12:42:29 AM
Yes, all the mods are great; can't say enough abut them.

And OMG, some of these avitars! Whacky works of art!

Does anyone else having trouble typing posts these days? Text is lagging way behind my typing speed. I think it might be the dazzling array of emoticons. (I know, nit picking ... just wondered if anyone else noticed.)

Hey MsMarple,
I think your problem is your settings.  Wreck told me how to fix it.
Go to TOOLS in the upper right corner of your screen and click on compatability....but I forgot the rest of it. ::MonkeyHaHa::
In IE8 go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > Put a checkmark in box "View All Websites In Compatable View"

Thanks, wreck...and Magnolia...I think msmarple has always been compatable in my book.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 15, 2009, 12:46:58 AM
Good Night, Night Time Crew....those here and those at the nursing home.. ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2009, 12:51:58 AM
Good Night, Night Time Crew....those here and those at the nursing home.. ::MonkeyFootball::

G'nite, Mere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2009, 12:53:53 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles - Let there be light.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 15, 2009, 12:55:54 AM
Sorry that I didn't see the posts last nite from Texasmom, Hotping  and Wreck concerning all of the rain. I promise it will stop soon and I hope all of you are safe. Have a great week Monkeys and justice for Natalee!!      ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 15, 2009, 01:00:18 AM
Wreck...that does make a difference...Thanks.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 01:01:05 AM
While it slow, I'll tell ya'll a true story that is so like Miss Havisham.  It is very sad.

I had a friend who was a librarian from an old South Alabama family.  Her father was one of five
children.  He was the only one of the five who ever married and none of the five ever left home.
Her father brought his bride home to the home he was born in with all of the family still there.
She was an only child and doted on by all of the aunts and uncles as well as her parents and grandparents.
When she graduated college, she went to teach in Key West and met a Navy pilot who was stationed there
and fell madly in love. They became engaged and the family began planning a huge Southern wedding.
People came from far and wide for the wedding and it was the event of the year.  They went on a two
week honeymoon to Hawaii.
When they returned, he told her to stay in Alabama and pack up the wedding gifts and he would go and
report for duty and come on the weekend with a truck and they would drive back together.
Well....it seems he had a wife off in Ohio that he had failed to mentioned.  The other wife was waiting when
he got to Key West and she shot and killed him dead.  My friend became a wife, a widow and a bigimist all
in a two week period.
She never married again and I was the only one left to bury her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:04:43 AM
Good Night, Night Time Crew....those here and those at the nursing home.. ::MonkeyFootball::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:08:27 AM
While it slow, I'll tell ya'll a true story that is so like Miss Havisham.  It is very sad.

I had a friend who was a librarian from an old South Alabama family.  Her father was one of five
children.  He was the only one of the five who ever married and none of the five ever left home.
Her father brought his bride home to the home he was born in with all of the family still there.
She was an only child and doted on by all of the aunts and uncles as well as her parents and grandparents.
When she graduated college, she went to teach in Key West and met a Navy pilot who was stationed there
and fell madly in love. They became engaged and the family began planning a huge Southern wedding.
People came from far and wide for the wedding and it was the event of the year.  They went on a two
week honeymoon to Hawaii.
When they returned, he told her to stay in Alabama and pack up the wedding gifts and he would go and
report for duty and come on the weekend with a truck and they would drive back together.
Well....it seems he had a wife off in Ohio that he had failed to mentioned.  The other wife was waiting when
he got to Key West and she shot and killed him dead.  My friend became a wife, a widow and a bigimist all
in a two week period.
She never married again and I was the only one left to bury her.

That's so sad!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:10:10 AM
Sorry that I didn't see the posts last nite from Texasmom, Hotping  and Wreck concerning all of the rain. I promise it will stop soon and I hope all of you are safe. Have a great week Monkeys and justice for Natalee!!      ::MonkeyGavel::

It's still coming down here!   ::MonkeyRain::

The sun came out for about 30 minutes today...and then the rain clouds were back!

I hope you have a great week too cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:11:26 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2009, 01:14:52 AM
While it slow, I'll tell ya'll a true story that is so like Miss Havisham.  It is very sad.

I had a friend who was a librarian from an old South Alabama family.  Her father was one of five
children.  He was the only one of the five who ever married and none of the five ever left home.
Her father brought his bride home to the home he was born in with all of the family still there.
She was an only child and doted on by all of the aunts and uncles as well as her parents and grandparents.
When she graduated college, she went to teach in Key West and met a Navy pilot who was stationed there
and fell madly in love. They became engaged and the family began planning a huge Southern wedding.
People came from far and wide for the wedding and it was the event of the year.  They went on a two
week honeymoon to Hawaii.
When they returned, he told her to stay in Alabama and pack up the wedding gifts and he would go and
report for duty and come on the weekend with a truck and they would drive back together.
Well....it seems he had a wife off in Ohio that he had failed to mentioned.  The other wife was waiting when
he got to Key West and she shot and killed him dead.  My friend became a wife, a widow and a bigimist all
in a two week period.
She never married again and I was the only one left to bury her.

 ::MonkeyEek::     ::MonkeyWaa::    Who do you trust?    (Magnolia is a good choice)

G'nite, all....see you later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 01:15:17 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Poor little hotping....I know she will be skeeerrrd too. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:17:39 AM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2009/Sep09/Majestic/Majestic%20%2879%29.jpg

Majestic Circ Du Blanc @ Morgan's Island

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2009/Sep09/Majestic/Majestic%20%2879%29.jpg)

Aline doesn't look quite as sickly in this recent pic, or maybe it's just the lighting or lack of. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:19:01 AM
While it slow, I'll tell ya'll a true story that is so like Miss Havisham.  It is very sad.

I had a friend who was a librarian from an old South Alabama family.  Her father was one of five
children.  He was the only one of the five who ever married and none of the five ever left home.
Her father brought his bride home to the home he was born in with all of the family still there.
She was an only child and doted on by all of the aunts and uncles as well as her parents and grandparents.
When she graduated college, she went to teach in Key West and met a Navy pilot who was stationed there
and fell madly in love. They became engaged and the family began planning a huge Southern wedding.
People came from far and wide for the wedding and it was the event of the year.  They went on a two
week honeymoon to Hawaii.
When they returned, he told her to stay in Alabama and pack up the wedding gifts and he would go and
report for duty and come on the weekend with a truck and they would drive back together.
Well....it seems he had a wife off in Ohio that he had failed to mentioned.  The other wife was waiting when
he got to Key West and she shot and killed him dead.  My friend became a wife, a widow and a bigimist all
in a two week period.
She never married again and I was the only one left to bury her.

 ::MonkeyEek::     ::MonkeyWaa::    Who do you trust?    (Magnolia is a good choice)

G'nite, all....see you later.

I know it...poor thing...I'm glad she had Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:21:41 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Poor little hotping....I know she will be skeeerrrd too. ::MonkeyShocked::

I might need to make a call...Ghostbusters!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:27:41 AM


Blue Moon's is pretty skeeerrrrrry too!  I don't look at it long either!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 01:40:40 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=135&page=1

Miss Gay 2009 Pt1

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2009/Sep09/MG09/MG09%20%282%29.jpg)

(http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2009/Sep09/MG09/MG09%20%2827%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:44:12 AM
Hi Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope you won't mind me making a drop off for Hotping. She asked for a Halloween avatar.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif

I saw Julia Renho's face as I got here, and thought Halloween was already here!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyTease::
WOW CBB......You Scared Me .....But I Love It......Thank You!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:46:45 AM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



Same here Blue Moon....loved to hear him sing too...   ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfg97-5uhFQ
Thanks for the Youtube TM.....May He Rest in Peace! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:48:26 AM


Thanks to all our SUPER TERRIFIC mods for all you do!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


 
I'll Second That!  ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 15, 2009, 01:49:52 AM
Tylergirl, msmaple coming out to say hi.....sooo cool..... ::MonkeySkate::
renfroho meeting IRS....priceless... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:50:08 AM
Hi Monkeys!  ::MonkeyDance::

I hope you won't mind me making a drop off for Hotping. She asked for a Halloween avatar.   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/hotping.gif

I saw Julia Renho's face as I got here, and thought Halloween was already here!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyTease::

Oooooohhhh, CBB that's going to scare Hotping. ::MonkeyShocked::
Is that Mrs. Haversham drifting by?
Magnolia...It did Scare Me....But I still like it!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:53:34 AM
While it slow, I'll tell ya'll a true story that is so like Miss Havisham.  It is very sad.

I had a friend who was a librarian from an old South Alabama family.  Her father was one of five
children.  He was the only one of the five who ever married and none of the five ever left home.
Her father brought his bride home to the home he was born in with all of the family still there.
She was an only child and doted on by all of the aunts and uncles as well as her parents and grandparents.
When she graduated college, she went to teach in Key West and met a Navy pilot who was stationed there
and fell madly in love. They became engaged and the family began planning a huge Southern wedding.
People came from far and wide for the wedding and it was the event of the year.  They went on a two
week honeymoon to Hawaii.
When they returned, he told her to stay in Alabama and pack up the wedding gifts and he would go and
report for duty and come on the weekend with a truck and they would drive back together.
Well....it seems he had a wife off in Ohio that he had failed to mentioned.  The other wife was waiting when
he got to Key West and she shot and killed him dead.  My friend became a wife, a widow and a bigimist all
in a two week period.
She never married again and I was the only one left to bury her.
Oh How Sad....Magnolia You are a True Angel for being there for Her....Bless You!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:55:03 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM....I want wear it until closer to Halloween.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 01:56:34 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Poor little hotping....I know she will be skeeerrrd too. ::MonkeyShocked::

I might need to make a call...Ghostbusters!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::
   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:00:01 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM....I want wear it until closer to Halloween.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
correction.... Won't...not want.....Debbie will give Me a bad mark for spelling...LIGAS!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:01:07 AM
All Caught Up......Hi billb and TM!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:01:18 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM....I want wear it until closer to Halloween.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

awww you can wear it hotping!  Some monkey's like that stuff...I'm just a skeerdy monkey.
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:02:38 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM....I want wear it until closer to Halloween.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
correction.... Won't...not want.....Debbie will give Me a bad mark for spelling...LIGAS!  ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:03:44 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM....I want wear it until closer to Halloween.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

awww you can wear it hotping!  Some monkey's like that stuff...I'm just a skeerdy monkey.
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
  
I'll wait a few weeks until closer to Halloween...Then I'll SKKKEER Everybody.....  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:04:48 AM


hotping's new avi skeeeerrrrd me bad!  I'm not gonna look at it much... ::MonkeyHaHa::
TM....I want wear it until closer to Halloween.....  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
correction.... Won't...not want.....Debbie will give Me a bad mark for spelling...LIGAS!  ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDevil::

  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:06:41 AM
Tylergirl, msmaple coming out to say hi.....sooo cool..... ::MonkeySkate::
renfroho meeting IRS....priceless... ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!  I agree!  ::MonkeySkate::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:22:05 AM
Darn.....That New Avi is already skeerring people...Where did billb go......  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:30:33 AM
Just kiddin billb.....I know You are not skeeerred!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:54:03 AM
Just kiddin billb.....I know You are not skeeerred!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's right!  billb's not afraid of no ghost!   ::MonkeyWeight::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:56:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:56:35 AM


Good night hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 02:57:46 AM
Just kiddin billb.....I know You are not skeeerred!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's right!  billb's not afraid of no ghost!   ::MonkeyWeight::
Nawwww....billb ain't afraid.....I was just kiddin!  ::MonkeyCool::


Good Night All.....Justice for Natalee!

 Sweet Dreams Monkeys and Guests!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 15, 2009, 04:03:59 AM
MsMarple! I'm so sorry I missed you, but it's wonderful to see you again!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

You all are cracking me up about being SKEEERED!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I suppose I could have had Casper skipping down the stairs, but it just looses something in the translation......    ::MonkeyTease::

Hotping? If you'd rather have something else, you know I'd be glad to switch it for something else.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 15, 2009, 05:07:10 AM
MsMarple! I'm so sorry I missed you, but it's wonderful to see you again!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

You all are cracking me up about being SKEEERED!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I suppose I could have had Casper skipping down the stairs, but it just looses something in the translation......    ::MonkeyTease::

Hotping? If you'd rather have something else, you know I'd be glad to switch it for something else.  ::MonkeyWink::
No Way Jose...I want to be skeerrry for Halloween! Thanks Again CBB!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 15, 2009, 08:45:16 AM
O/T  A publicist for Patrick Swayze says the "Dirty Dancing" actor has died. For more details, go to abc13.com. [Sent: 7:01pm]  ::MonkeyWaa::


 ::MonkeyTears::

There isn't a movie of his I haven't seen.  He was an amazing actor.  I have watched everything he was in starting with the Civil War (North and South) series. 

May he rest in peace.



What a terribly sad loss.  And what a battle he put up against his illness.

He was truly a gifted, kind, and amazing man.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
Looks like AirTran has set up their flight schedules to hell hole.         ::MonkeyDevil2::

AirTran Airways Continues Caribbean Expansion by Announcing Flight to Aruba
"One Happy Island" Marks the Fifth Caribbean Destination for the Low Fare Leader
Press Release
Source: AirTran Airways
On Tuesday September 15, 2009, 7:00 am EDT
       Buzz up! 0 Print
 Companies:AirTran Holdings Inc.
ORLANDO, Fla., Sept. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News), today released schedules for new service to Aruba. These flights will mark the airline's fifth Caribbean destination and are in addition to recently announced service to Montego Bay, Jamaica, and Nassau, Bahamas and existing service to Cancun, Mexico, and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

AirTran Airways will begin flights to Aruba from Atlanta on December 19, 2009, and from Orlando on February 13, 2010. The popular tourist destination will also connect to dozens of other AirTran cities. All flights to and from Aruba are subject to final government approval.

"Adding Aruba to our list of Caribbean destinations gives our customers more choices than ever when looking for an escape from winter," said Kevin Healy, senior vice president, marketing and planning. "Dipping your toes in Caribbean sand has never been easier and we'll get you there from Orlando just in time for the Grand Parade of Carnival."

AirTran Airways is already a leading carrier to winter sun destinations, with flights to Cancun, Mexico, San Juan, Puerto Rico, Phoenix, Las Vegas, New Orleans, and 10 cities in Florida. The airline currently operates the nation's largest low-fare carrier hub in Atlanta and offers flights to more destinations than any other carrier from Orlando.

The following nonstop flights to and from Aruba will be available beginning December 19, 2009:



      From       To      Flight   Departs      Arrives   Frequency  Equipment
      ----       --      ------   -------      -------   ---------  ---------
    Atlanta    Aruba       871   11:10 a.m.    4:05 p.m.  Saturday      737
     Aruba    Atlanta      872    4:50 p.m.    7:50 p.m.  Saturday      737


The following nonstop flights to and from Aruba will be available beginning February 13, 2010:



      From       To      Flight   Departs      Arrives   Frequency   Equipment
      ----       --      ------   -------      -------   ---------   ---------
    Orlando    Aruba       494   10:06 a.m.    2:15 p.m.  Saturday      737
     Aruba    Orlando      495    3:00 p.m.    5:13 p.m.  Saturday      737


* Flights to and from Aruba, are subject to final government approval

AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI - News) and a Fortune 1000 company, has been ranked the number one low cost carrier in the Airline Quality Rating study for the past two year. AirTran is the only major airline with WI-Fi on every flight and offers coast-to coast service on North America's newest all-Boeing fleet. Its low-cost, high-quality product also includes assigned seating, Business Class and complimentary XM Satellite Radio on every flight. To book a flight, visit http://www.airtran.com.


    Media Contacts:  AirTran Airways
                     Christopher White
                     Cynthia Tinsley-Douglas
                     678.254.7442


 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AirTran-Airways-Continues-prnews-2301974022.html?x=0&.v=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:13:55 AM

Hi Monkeys,

As promised - I do still try to read here, I just haven’t been able to follow the crazy twists and turns in this case that brought so many people together. Ergo, I don’t feel I have anything to bring to the table.
I am pretty confident that the Murder & Crime thread put a whammy on Aruba for at least some travel writers. I just came to a point that I didn’t have time to find and attempt to translate the crime articles. texasmom knows how time-consuming that is (she deserves thanks every single day).

Having said that – I do have an observation, and I’m sure all of you have done so as well: It is interesting that Aruba lets the Patrick-Joran tapes exonerate 2K, but won’t buy Joran’s confession on the tapes. I guess Aruba found some legal-techno-mumbo rationale for this arbitrary, selective picking and choosing. It helps, of course, that there’s no physical evidence – and we all know why. So does Aruba.

Re. Patrick Swayze – remember when we were using that line from “Dirty Dancing” here – Nobody puts baby in the corner. (I think we were talking about Beth.)

I have so many good monkey memories from here. (Well, one or two unpleasant ones. I had to step away a few times and take 4,000 deep breaths.)

But what a fun and dedicated group we were, and still are. Just sorry that so many unfortunate divisions and diversions came along.

Eternal gratitude to klaas, who has my greatest respect. Thank you for keeping it all together.


Ms. Marples!  You have been missed.

The Range Rover recording?  I believe the "confession" was all about furthering the Aruban coverup by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:16:07 AM
Good Morning All!

Exercise time.  Everybody reach to the sky and then touch your toes.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet
8:15 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 15, 2009, 11:24:40 AM
Good Morning All!

Exercise time.  Everybody reach to the sky and then touch your toes.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet
8:15 AM PT

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeySlide::   

I'm still a little sore from a long walk on the beach on Sunday afternoon, but you are right.....you have to keep it up.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
Good Morning All!

Exercise time.  Everybody reach to the sky and then touch your toes.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Janet
8:15 AM PT

 ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeySlide::   

I'm still a little sore from a long walk on the beach on Sunday afternoon, but you are right.....you have to keep it up.   

... and no more carrot cake parties.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:21:55 PM
If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

++++++

PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 01:01:05 PM
I believe the following Kyle Kingman key quotes attests that John Silvetti's plan from the getgo was to turn the contents of the trap over to the Arubans.

Janet

++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  15:46 I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.
 
Kyle Kingman:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

... The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 01:03:02 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Taking to myself?  Sign of old age.

Considering 62 years of age is far from old ... I am off to join the world outside of the computer room.

Have a good day all!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 01:59:04 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:54:15 PM
If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

++++++

PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Do you REALLY believe that Janet?  Just askin'. 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 02:55:47 PM
See ya later!   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 05:52:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62468.php

Google translation:

Red lionfish threatening local species

September 15, 2009, 14:12 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The red lionfish lion fish is either first reported yesterday in Aruban waters, said Milton Ponson foundation of Rainbow Warriors. He is concerned about the impact of the marine life because this fish has little or no natural enemies. Thus the fish example in the Bahamas over the course of several years and has become a scourge to many native species displaced.

Naturally the fish lives mainly in the waters off East Africa, Indonesia and Japan to Australia. The lion fish, the family of the scorpion, which he has poisonous spines in the event of danger can inflict very painful injuries. In general, the fish is not aggressive. He is a night hunter and eats mostly small fish, shrimp and crabs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 05:58:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62466.php


Google translation:

ARUBA

Parliamentary questions on money laundering in Aruba

September 15, 2009, 14:09 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-nel-bij-remkes-_ar.gif)


Minister Johan Remkes co-Prime Minister Nelson Oduber during a meeting in 2005

ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - Following the draft report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on money laundering and terrorist financing in Aruba, has MP Johan Remkes (VVD) yesterday using Kamervragen requested clarification.

Remkes will of Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of the Interior and Kingdom Relations (CDA) and Finance Minister Wouter Bos (PvdA) know what actions the leaders plan to take the bad reputation of the Kingdom at this point to make. Additionally, the VVD explanations about the state of play regarding the instructions to do research on corruption and integrity of management to Aruba. The Member of Parliament questions, in this context also wondering what the opinion of the directors about the "disastrous outlined 'picture of the situation on the Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Combating the Financing of Terrorism (CFT) on Aruba.

On June 22 has Rudy Lampe (RED) an open letter sent to the State in which he expressed his concern that Aruba did not comply with the rules to combat money laundering by the FATF, which probably Aruba on the black list of the organization would come. The National Ordinance on June 22 in the States of Aruba has handled the creation and establishment of a supervisory body for casinos, called a gaming control board, discussed. The Advisory Council would go against the arrival of such an institution have advised. "Against the advice it gave the government the draft to the States. Given the dictatorship of eleven in the States, which the government does not control, will issue the international reputation of the Kingdom of the Netherlands serious harm, "said Lampe, who refers to this as of July 1 of the Netherlands Presidency of the FATF. "If the creation of the Foundation is still continuing, and in the hands of friends and family of the current government, including a former minister who was recently convicted of violating the comptabiliteitsverordening the damage will be even greater for the Netherlands "Lampe writes in his open letter of June 22.

Netherlands, from July 1 for one years President of the FATF. The FATF is an intergovernmental task force in which global agreements to combat the laundering of dirty money and terrorist financing. These agreements set a standard in the countries that are deemed to comply. The FATF monitors to conduct regular compliance examinations country. The task force countries that can not keep the commitments to order and, if necessary, the FATF measures to protect the integrity of the financial sector itself.
      


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 06:09:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62462.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Earthquake felt in Aruba

September 15, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Residents have four hours last Saturday shortly after noon startled by an earthquake at the northern coast of Venezuela took place. The duty meteorologist was then made by various people from Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao phoned to reporting they felt an earthquake.

It reports the Meteorological Service Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. At a quarter past four in the afternoon was the Meteorological Service of the Venezuelan seismological service Funvisis via e-mail message that is about four to six minutes local time a major earthquake had occurred.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center (PTWC) confirmed that the quake had a strength of 6.4 on the Richter scale. The first reports that reported the quake at a depth of about 33 kilometer had occurred. This measurement was however refuted by showing that the recalculations quake "only" at 6 kilometer depth was. The epicenter was near 10.7 degrees north latitude and 67.8 degrees west longitude. This corresponds to a distance of about 175 kilometer southeast of East Point on Curacao. The PTWC provides such a devastating quake no danger of tidal waves or tsunamis. Seismographs have been the first (serious) have several weaker quake aftershocks recorded, but not in the Leeward Islands are felt.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 06:28:22 PM
If Joran van der Sloots "confession" reveals the truth then I can only conclude that there was nothing Natalee Holloway related in the cage/trap.  According to Peter Devries ... Joran assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to Daury's boat ... the boat which Natalee taken out to sea and dumped.

Could it be that the Range Rover confession was a hoax meant to take the focus off of the Persistence's discovery.

Janet

++++++

PETER DEVRIES - IN HIS OWN WORDS

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


- THE FRIEND WITH THE BOAT -

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain. Later on he sat some time behind his computer and the following morning he went to school as usual. The next night he went to the casino ‘just to be recorded on camera’.  In a cold premeditated manner he leaves behind traces which could clarify that he didn’t have time to kill Natalee. Very clever for a seventeen-year-old, but Joran is of course the son of a judge-to-be.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Do you REALLY believe that Janet?  Just askin'. 





Texasmom

I believe with all my heart that Natalee Holloway's remains were in all probability in that cage/trap.  I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.  That is why I believe that Joran's Land Rover "confession" was fabricated.  Peter Devries was privy to all the recordings and states in his own words that Joran revealed that he assisted in carry Natalee to Daury's boat and ... a short time later Daury arrived at the van der Sloots residence.

Texasmom ... nothing about a cage/trap.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 06:35:21 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/11/25/missing-in-aruba-joran-van-der-sloot-now-says-he-sold-natalee-holloway-to-a-venezuelan-man-who-wanted-a-blonde-girl-for-10k/

Steve Holloway on November 25th, 2008 8:40 am
Quote
He needed money so he called Greta thinking he could make an easy 10 grand and no matter what, nothing would happen in Aruba. My guess is this story will not check out.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 07:05:18 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet

Janet,
Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense to me, but you just keep right on posting your opinions.
From  now on I will simply skip over your posts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 07:05:31 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/11/25/missing-in-aruba-joran-van-der-sloot-now-says-he-sold-natalee-holloway-to-a-venezuelan-man-who-wanted-a-blonde-girl-for-10k/

Steve Holloway on November 25th, 2008 8:40 am
Quote
He needed money so he called Greta thinking he could make an easy 10 grand and no matter what, nothing would happen in Aruba. My guess is this story will not check out.



texasmom ... considering I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the trap/cage ... I agree. 

When I said freely ... I was not meaning in terms of monies.  I meant ...  his own free will.  Joran knew that he was not only speaking to Greta on her show ... he was speaking to all of America.  Greta was not secretly recording his words in a private interview.  Greta paid for the interview for ratings ... that is what talk show hosts do.  The Aruban "powers that be" hate Greta.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 07:06:57 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet

Janet,
Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense to me, but you just keep right on posting your opinions.
From  now on I will simply skip over your posts.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 07:16:33 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/11/25/missing-in-aruba-joran-van-der-sloot-now-says-he-sold-natalee-holloway-to-a-venezuelan-man-who-wanted-a-blonde-girl-for-10k/

Steve Holloway on November 25th, 2008 8:40 am
Quote
He needed money so he called Greta thinking he could make an easy 10 grand and no matter what, nothing would happen in Aruba. My guess is this story will not check out.



texasmom ... considering I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the trap/cage ... I agree. 

When I said freely ... I was not meaning in terms of monies.  I meant ...  his own free will.  Joran knew that he was not only speaking to Greta on her show ... he was speaking to all of America.  Greta was not secretly recording his words in a private interview.  Greta paid for the interview for ratings ... that is what talk show hosts do.  The Aruban "powers that be" hate Greta.

Janet



Joran spoke to Patrick of his own free will too, about a lot of things.  

People all over the world got a look at the real Joran from those secret recordings.  There is no doubt in my mind about that.

If Natalee was in the cage/trap, how do you suppose she got there?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 07:23:24 PM
What about Joran's statements to Greta?
Was Greta conspiring with the Arubian Government?

Joran says that the Kalpoes are going to give him $1,000,000 from their settlement from Dr. Phil
and he implicates them once again.
He said that Paulus paid off the Police and implicates his father yet again.
He says that he sold Natalee to someone who took her away on a boat.

Greta recorded all of those statements and repeated them on television just as Peter R. DeVries did.
That doesn't necessarially mean that she believes they are true statements.

I have not seen an official statement releasing the Kalpoes as suspects.
Maybe I have missed that.

Magnolia

It was Joran's words freely spoken to Greta on her show for all of America to hear.  Greta did not claim that she secretly recorded this "confession" ... the "fabrication".

Janet

Janet,
Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense to me, but you just keep right on posting your opinions.
From  now on I will simply skip over your posts.

I had my "dead horse" link ready earlier today.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on September 15, 2009, 07:23:39 PM
I'm so far behind, I think I'm first!  I cannot imagine how frustrating and heart wrenching all of this is for Beth and Dave.  I cannot imagine watching some smirky punk say what he said on National Television about what he did to Natalee.  My question is this.  Has our FBI washed their hands of this case or are they still watching and waiting?  I firmly believe this could have been any of our daughters and I hope and pray we see justice.  I thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba for her honeymoon.  I also demanded she have her "International" phone settings turned on for the Mayan Riviera and that I would even pay for it that month....thank you Beth!  The longer it takes for justice, the angrier I get. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
I'm so far behind, I think I'm first!  I cannot imagine how frustrating and heart wrenching all of this is for Beth and Dave.  I cannot imagine watching some smirky punk say what he said on National Television about what he did to Natalee.  My question is this.  Has our FBI washed their hands of this case or are they still watching and waiting?  I firmly believe this could have been any of our daughters and I hope and pray we see justice.  I thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba for her honeymoon.  I also demanded she have her "International" phone settings turned on for the Mayan Riviera and that I would even pay for it that month....thank you Beth!  The longer it takes for justice, the angrier I get. 

Good to see you Sharon/Tx!   ::MonkeySlide::

I wish I knew what the FBI is doing if anything!  I get angrier too every time I think about what that deviant has admitted to and NOTHING has been done about it.

Good thinking about the international calling!  I hope they have a safe and wonderful honeymoon and they don't need it; but if they should they'll have it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 15, 2009, 07:57:24 PM
I'm so far behind, I think I'm first!  I cannot imagine how frustrating and heart wrenching all of this is for Beth and Dave.  I cannot imagine watching some smirky punk say what he said on National Television about what he did to Natalee.  My question is this.  Has our FBI washed their hands of this case or are they still watching and waiting?  I firmly believe this could have been any of our daughters and I hope and pray we see justice.  I thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba for her honeymoon.  I also demanded she have her "International" phone settings turned on for the Mayan Riviera and that I would even pay for it that month....thank you Beth!  The longer it takes for justice, the angrier I get. 

Good to see you Sharon/Tx!   ::MonkeySlide::

I wish I knew what the FBI is doing if anything!  I get angrier too every time I think about what that deviant has admitted to and NOTHING has been done about it.

Good thinking about the international calling!  I hope they have a safe and wonderful honeymoon and they don't need it; but if they should they'll have it. 

For the primary suspect in an internationally known murder investigation to agree to admit on video tape that
he was a part of the death and disposal of Natalee Holloway is too stupid for even Joran.  Just didn't happen that way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 15, 2009, 08:11:51 PM
I'm so far behind, I think I'm first!  I cannot imagine how frustrating and heart wrenching all of this is for Beth and Dave.  I cannot imagine watching some smirky punk say what he said on National Television about what he did to Natalee.  My question is this.  Has our FBI washed their hands of this case or are they still watching and waiting?  I firmly believe this could have been any of our daughters and I hope and pray we see justice.  I thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba for her honeymoon.  I also demanded she have her "International" phone settings turned on for the Mayan Riviera and that I would even pay for it that month....thank you Beth!  The longer it takes for justice, the angrier I get. 

Good to see you Sharon/Tx!   ::MonkeySlide::

I wish I knew what the FBI is doing if anything!  I get angrier too every time I think about what that deviant has admitted to and NOTHING has been done about it.

Good thinking about the international calling!  I hope they have a safe and wonderful honeymoon and they don't need it; but if they should they'll have it. 

For the primary suspect in an internationally known murder investigation to agree to admit on video tape that
he was a part of the death and disposal of Natalee Holloway is too stupid for even Joran.  Just didn't happen that way.

I agree. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 15, 2009, 09:55:50 PM
I'm so far behind, I think I'm first!  I cannot imagine how frustrating and heart wrenching all of this is for Beth and Dave.  I cannot imagine watching some smirky punk say what he said on National Television about what he did to Natalee.  My question is this.  Has our FBI washed their hands of this case or are they still watching and waiting?  I firmly believe this could have been any of our daughters and I hope and pray we see justice.  I thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba for her honeymoon.  I also demanded she have her "International" phone settings turned on for the Mayan Riviera and that I would even pay for it that month....thank you Beth!  The longer it takes for justice, the angrier I get. 

Good to see you Sharon/Tx!   ::MonkeySlide::

I wish I knew what the FBI is doing if anything!  I get angrier too every time I think about what that deviant has admitted to and NOTHING has been done about it.

Good thinking about the international calling!  I hope they have a safe and wonderful honeymoon and they don't need it; but if they should they'll have it. 

For the primary suspect in an internationally known murder investigation to agree to admit on video tape that
he was a part of the death and disposal of Natalee Holloway is too stupid for even Joran.  Just didn't happen that way.

I agree. 
I also agree. I contend that Joran was actually admitting/bragging to patrick that he was really involved but even Joran would not tell him the actual REAL details.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 10:09:39 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

The Range Rover recordings?  I speculate that the "confession" hoax was  collaborated by Joran van der Sloot, Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and the Aruban "powers that be" in the investigation and ... it was all about furthering the coverup agenda by:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

Peter Devries

No Resarrest for Joran: How Do You Explain That to Her relatives?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway by no mention of a crab/trap in the disposal.

Peter Devries

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.
 
http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

The Kalpoe's Attorney

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil
   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 15, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
These are just my own opinions.Until Peter R De Vries exposes Paulus & his buddies,as well as the corruption from Aruba to the Netherlands,there is no TRUSTin Peter from me!Me personally.I trust no one from Aruba to the Netherlands until Paulus,The Perps & the corrupt P.O.S are held accountable in one way or another,But,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 10:44:29 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/natalee-holloway-investigation-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-on-tape-its-a-big-ocean/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 15, 2009, 10:49:53 PM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.
Well, who knows!! Arlene told us a LOT of things that just aren't true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 15, 2009, 11:05:03 PM
These are just my own opinions.Until Peter R De Vries exposes Paulus & his buddies,as well as the corruption from Aruba to the Netherlands,there is no TRUSTin Peter from me!Me personally.I trust no one from Aruba to the Netherlands until Paulus,The Perps & the corrupt P.O.S are held accountable in one way or another,But,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:31:40 PM
Why is Paulus van der Sloot's participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 not mentioned in Joran van der Sloot's Range Rover confession?  Why is it not an issue with Peter Devries, Patrick van der Eem and Rudy Croes.  The smuggled cell phone is the ultimate discretion that has to be investigated.

Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
Why is Paulus van der Sloot's participation in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 not mentioned in Joran van der Sloot's Range Rover confession?  Why is it not an issue with Peter Devries, Patrick van der Eem and Rudy Croes.  The smuggled cell phone is the ultimate discretion that has to be investigated.

Janet

++++++

BETH HOLLOWAY

Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... But there's something that really bothers me, and I don't think I've made any secrets about it, I've kept a journal of everything everyone said, what day, timeframes. And there's something that really has been bothering me as I read over and over my journal, is I know on the 31st that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. at McDonald's. It was also said to me by a police spokesperson on June 16 and June 17 that Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at 4 a.m. on the 31st at McDonald's. But I noticed on the day that I visited Paul van der Sloot at his home, all of a sudden, it was changed to 11 p.m.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


PATRICK VANDER EEM

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:56:52 PM
LLoving Natalee - Beth Holloway

October 2007


Nothing from my life before Natalee disappeared has stayed intact — not my career, not my home, not my marriage. At the same time, a lot of healing has taken place. I began to share Nat's story with tens of thousands of high school and college students, law-enforcement officials, and faith groups, so they can learn from it. A curriculum on safe travel is being developed (for details, go to safetravelsfoundation.org). I want change to come from our ordeal.

I have received the two things I needed most to survive this crisis: hope and prayers. With hope and faith, a human being can endure almost anything. I'm proof of that. I never imagined I would be "that parent," the one no one wants to be. But I was, and I still am. I will forever be Natalee's mom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 16, 2009, 12:30:34 AM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Janet, I don't know where you got that quote, but I don't think it is mine. In fact I think in February of 2008 I was still awol from Scared Monkeys nurseing a broken hip.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:30:21 AM
I don't know what drove Peter/Patrick to come up with the undercover recordings.....I do believe that urine told half truths that revealed he was the principle involved in Natalee's disappearance/murder and the cover up of the crime (Duh...no brainer)
I also believe Peter has a record of going after the bad guys and frequently exposes them for their sins..(after law enforcement/politics fail) after understandable promoting his ratings...I don't care....Peter/Patrick outed urine to some degree....enough of a degree that affirms my belief that urine was the perp....
I also believe that paulass was directly involved using urine to lurer Natalee away from her group...
K2 was fully onboard and I believe skeeter tapes capture that they all had sex (rape) with Natalee...
WRT urine half truths during the Peter/Patrick exposure........I believe that the contents of the cage as described by kyle is where Natalee rested, until the persistence (john s, louis s, tim t. and kyle) made decisions that allowed the cage contents to be recovered by aruba....... Big money has been paid out to gain the american traitors/persistence/blog cover up crew...

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 01:41:42 AM
I don't know what drove Peter/Patrick to come up with the undercover recordings.....I do believe that urine told half truths that revealed he was the principle involved in Natalee's disappearance/murder and the cover up of the crime (Duh...no brainer)
I also believe Peter has a record of going after the bad guys and frequently exposes them for their sins..(after law enforcement/politics fail) after understandable promoting his ratings...I don't care....Peter/Patrick outed urine to some degree....enough of a degree that affirms my belief that urine was the perp....
I also believe that paulass was directly involved using urine to lurer Natalee away from her group...
K2 was fully onboard and I believe skeeter tapes capture that they all had sex (rape) with Natalee...
WRT urine half truths during the Peter/Patrick exposure........I believe that the contents of the cage as described by kyle is where Natalee rested, until the persistence (john s, louis s, tim t. and kyle) made decisions that allowed the cage contents to be recovered by aruba....... Big money has been paid out to gain the american traitors/persistence/blog cover up crew...

 


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:43:43 AM
I am encouraged when I see posts that renfroho may be outed by swiss banks to the FBI...and I know many Monkeys have promoted the investigation into persistence interests/oil ties and I'm hopeful that the FBI/IRS are on that.....let the IRS bleeding began......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:45:58 AM
I am encouraged when I see posts that renfroho may be outed by swiss banks to the FBI...and I know many Monkeys have promoted the investigation into persistence interests/oil ties and I'm hopeful that the FBI/IRS are on that.....let the IRS bleeding began......
And FBI criminal investigations take hold....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:46:50 AM
Pardon me for barging in... Ho good Monkeys.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
no


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:47:48 AM
one


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:48:05 AM
posts


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:48:26 AM
as


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:48:48 AM
fast


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:49:07 AM
as me... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 01:51:18 AM
Keep the faith/Texasmom........
your killing me....jump in...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 01:52:02 AM

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's good to see you billb.  Hope you had a good day!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 01:54:21 AM
Pardon me for barging in... Ho good Monkeys.... ::MonkeyAngel::

No pardon's necessary... ::MonkeyAngel::  Dialogue is where it's at!I hope the Night Crew knows that,although we don't always agree,i know ya'll have Natalee Holloway in your hearts,first and formost!  ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS BillB & TM

KEEPTHEFAITH

P.S.Had a felling Billb would be on after a Charger Victory..... ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 01:59:58 AM
Pardon me for barging in... Ho good Monkeys.... ::MonkeyAngel::

No pardon's necessary... ::MonkeyAngel::  Dialogue is where it's at!I hope the Night Crew knows that,although we don't always agree,i know ya'll have Natalee Holloway in your hearts,first and formost!  ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS BillB & TM

KEEPTHEFAITH

P.S.Had a felling Billb would be on after a Charger Victory..... ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Congrats on the win billb!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 02:02:27 AM
Pardon me for barging in... Ho good Monkeys.... ::MonkeyAngel::

No pardon's necessary... ::MonkeyAngel::  Dialogue is where it's at!I hope the Night Crew knows that,although we don't always agree,i know ya'll have Natalee Holloway in your hearts,first and formost!  ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS BillB & TM

KEEPTHEFAITH

P.S.Had a felling Billb would be on after a Charger Victory..... ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Congrats on the win billb!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
It was ugly....


but 1 - 0... ::MonkeyCheer3::

Good Night Good monkeys....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 02:07:13 AM
Pardon me for barging in... Ho good Monkeys.... ::MonkeyAngel::

No pardon's necessary... ::MonkeyAngel::  Dialogue is where it's at!I hope the Night Crew knows that,although we don't always agree,i know ya'll have Natalee Holloway in your hearts,first and formost!  ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS BillB & TM

KEEPTHEFAITH

P.S.Had a felling Billb would be on after a Charger Victory..... ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyCool::

Congrats on the win billb!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
It was ugly....


but 1 - 0... ::MonkeyCheer3::

Good Night Good monkeys....

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 02:21:10 AM
9/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

in his discurso at occasion of prinsjes dag gobierno of kingdom so cu investigacion owing to stay cla at 2010, will determina what medida for take

yesterday was the aperture of year member of parliament of tweede kamer at the netherlands, cu is being calling because; prinsjes dag, where his mahestad queen beatrix is take away word y is trece sharp of view of gobierno of kingdom.

for thing is aruba, owing to dedica some regulation, but assure of importancia, where owing to being tell cu at year 2010, is being wait for cu the investigacion of gobernacion of aruba is completamente cla. owing to base of resultadonan of this, will take decision if have to take more medida or not, y at what level this have to take lugar.

as is conoci, the investigacionnan here is cuminsa after of eleccion now, so secretario of estado, ank bijleveld owing to give of conoce some time atrás, although cu aki-aya can hear cu have investigacion is tumando lugar end, but in one form very keto.

bolbiendo on the discurso of yesterday, owing to being tell cu will go back place very enfasis on mehoracion of the maneho of vreemdelingenketen (dimas, censo y registracion civil) y cu the plan of mehoracion of cuerpo policial of aruba have to take lugar cu more forza. here gobierno of aruba have to asumi his responsabilidad.

will come cu financiamento for of reserva cu owing to stay, in cuadro of the declaration of policy of cooperacion among the netherlands y aruba. the year here, 2009 the netherlands owing to place his ultimo contribucion in fondo desaroyo aruba (fda).

at opinion of gobierno of kingdom, same cu other islands of antiyas, aruba not owing to scapa of the crisis financiero mundial. the mature cu aruba have his maneho financiero al caso, is give the speranza cu aruba can carga the consecuencia of the crisis financiero.

till here the part cu gobierno of kingdom owing to dedica at aruba yesterday in the discurso at ocasión of prinsjes dag.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 02:55:51 AM
9/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 10

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09162009AweMaintaPg10.jpg)

This ad took up about 3/4 of a page in today's Awe Mainta.

Over three weeks after the application deadline.

I guess they haven't found that "special" person yet.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 03:33:27 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/stopdecrisis/4832864/__Seks_geeft_korting_op_hotelovernachting__.html

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09142009DeTelegraph_WestinPromotion.jpg)

Some of the comments:

Lesson 1: Aruba is not the Antilles. Lesson 2: Aruba receives no money from NL as donation of money or ask for NL. 3: The Netherlands has already stolen the gold from Aruba. 4: It is not the first time that this promotion has been used and was always a success.
Katrine, Paradera | 01:44 | 15.09.09

Is this the solution that this island has in mind for the economy afloat, as they all Dutch people with money have been deported?
Boycott the Antilles, is a stinking mess anyway | 23:08 | 14.09.09

Here come the abortions .......
Paula, Den Haag | 22:30 | 14.09.09

What they do not tell, however, is that the hidden camera records all those images and then (of course fee) through the various digital channels to admire ha ha ha ha ha ha
Boy, Utreg | 18:36 | 14.09.09

I think this really could not and did not expect such a vulgar action of one (I thought class hotel) and Westin hotel.
esther, houses | 18:20 | 14.09.09

Haha, I have completed a placement in this hotel last year, since they made the most crazy things! These Americans are all especially so believe me, it will still work even if they only get a discount, most of them are so cheap ....
Joep, Markelo | 18:20 | 14.09.09

they then pay for the upbringing of the child?
am, home | 16:53 | 14.09.09

Pity the cleaners ...
PascalK, Alphen aan den Rijn | 16:42 | 14.09.09





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 04:13:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on September 16, 2009, 06:54:56 AM
I'm so far behind, I think I'm first!  I cannot imagine how frustrating and heart wrenching all of this is for Beth and Dave.  I cannot imagine watching some smirky punk say what he said on National Television about what he did to Natalee.  My question is this.  Has our FBI washed their hands of this case or are they still watching and waiting?  I firmly believe this could have been any of our daughters and I hope and pray we see justice.  I thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba for her honeymoon.  I also demanded she have her "International" phone settings turned on for the Mayan Riviera and that I would even pay for it that month....thank you Beth!  The longer it takes for justice, the angrier I get. 

Good to see you Sharon/Tx!   ::MonkeySlide::

I wish I knew what the FBI is doing if anything!  I get angrier too every time I think about what that deviant has admitted to and NOTHING has been done about it.

Good thinking about the international calling!  I hope they have a safe and wonderful honeymoon and they don't need it; but if they should they'll have it. 
  Thank you Texasmom and thanks for all you do here.  I do feel we will have justice some day..... "loose lips sink ships." Meanwhile, I will just keep praying and hoping!  It is always good to read here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 08:23:26 AM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Janet, I don't know where you got that quote, but I don't think it is mine. In fact I think in February of 2008 I was still awol from Scared Monkeys nurseing a broken hip.

SusieQ, I did a search and found that it was from a front page comment. 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/natalee-holloway-investigation-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-on-tape-its-a-big-ocean/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 16, 2009, 08:49:30 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/stopdecrisis/4832864/__Seks_geeft_korting_op_hotelovernachting__.html

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09142009DeTelegraph_WestinPromotion.jpg)

Some of the comments:

Lesson 1: Aruba is not the Antilles. Lesson 2: Aruba receives no money from NL as donation of money or ask for NL. 3: The Netherlands has already stolen the gold from Aruba. 4: It is not the first time that this promotion has been used and was always a success.
Katrine, Paradera | 01:44 | 15.09.09

Is this the solution that this island has in mind for the economy afloat, as they all Dutch people with money have been deported?
Boycott the Antilles, is a stinking mess anyway | 23:08 | 14.09.09

Here come the abortions .......
Paula, Den Haag | 22:30 | 14.09.09

What they do not tell, however, is that the hidden camera records all those images and then (of course fee) through the various digital channels to admire ha ha ha ha ha ha
Boy, Utreg | 18:36 | 14.09.09

I think this really could not and did not expect such a vulgar action of one (I thought class hotel) and Westin hotel.
esther, houses | 18:20 | 14.09.09

Haha, I have completed a placement in this hotel last year, since they made the most crazy things! These Americans are all especially so believe me, it will still work even if they only get a discount, most of them are so cheap ....
Joep, Markelo | 18:20 | 14.09.09

they then pay for the upbringing of the child?
am, home | 16:53 | 14.09.09

Pity the cleaners ...
PascalK, Alphen aan den Rijn | 16:42 | 14.09.09





Interesting to note the negative comments coming from folks in the Netherlands.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Janet, I don't know where you got that quote, but I don't think it is mine. In fact I think in February of 2008 I was still awol from Scared Monkeys nurseing a broken hip.

Good Morning SuzyQ

I had posted the link in the next post.

SuzyQ ... my point was that there were those from the getgo who who questioning aspects of the Range Rover recording.

Janet

+++++

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/natalee-holloway-investigation-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-on-tape-its-a-big-ocean/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 10:56:04 AM
2NJ ... thank you.

I did not realize that you had already responded to SuzyQ's concern.

I should fully catch up prior to responding to posts.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 16, 2009, 12:07:50 PM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Janet, I don't know where you got that quote, but I don't think it is mine. In fact I think in February of 2008 I was still awol from Scared Monkeys nurseing a broken hip.

SusieQ, I did a search and found that it was from a front page comment. 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/natalee-holloway-investigation-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-on-tape-its-a-big-ocean/


2NJ Look at the way Susy Q is spelled. I just wonder how Janet found that quote.  That is certainly not me but I think she wanted everyone to think it was. It just makes me wonder about some of her other quotes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 12:47:56 PM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Janet, I don't know where you got that quote, but I don't think it is mine. In fact I think in February of 2008 I was still awol from Scared Monkeys nurseing a broken hip.

SusieQ, I did a search and found that it was from a front page comment. 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/natalee-holloway-investigation-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-on-tape-its-a-big-ocean/


2NJ Look at the way Susy Q is spelled. I just wonder how Janet found that quote.  That is certainly not me but I think she wanted everyone to think it was. It just makes me wonder about some of her other quotes.

You are right, SusieQ.....it is Susie Q.....

I think the assumption that it was you could have been universal if you had not spoken up, but I do not think Janet quoted it with any underhanded intentions....just found it supporting her view on the Land Rover tape....jmho

Janet,  I did not remember you had posted the link or I would have just brought that forward. 

To err is human, to forgive divine.    


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 16, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
I see nothing new with Natalee.  I will hang in the rafters for awhile.  Appears to be a little too much snipping going on for some reason and I don't want to be a part of it.  I respect each person here for Natalee and personnally expect better out of each of us. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 01:36:22 PM
47.Susy Q on February 4th, 2008 10:51 am

Back at the beginning of this case I swear I remember some one familiar with EU legal stuff that anytime info about a case was used in an “entertainment” show it could never be used as evidence…. Has Peter just ended any hope of prosecution The best legal hope I can see here is having him plead quilty to a charge of unlawful disposal of a body…..six months max and for Joran that will be about three months as he has already done three months in 2005…. was it sweeps week for Dutch TV….I just don’t feel right about this deal…sorry to be so negative but something is not right here…my opinion only and I hope I am wrong.


Janet, I don't know where you got that quote, but I don't think it is mine. In fact I think in February of 2008 I was still awol from Scared Monkeys nurseing a broken hip.

SusieQ, I did a search and found that it was from a front page comment. 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/natalee-holloway-investigation-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-on-tape-its-a-big-ocean/


2NJ Look at the way Susy Q is spelled. I just wonder how Janet found that quote.  That is certainly not me but I think she wanted everyone to think it was. It just makes me wonder about some of her other quotes.

Suzy Q ... you are mistaken.  The nic had nothing to do with my post.  It was the date and and the content of the comment that were the issues.

I do not believe I have every dialogued with you on the Natalee Holloway forum.  However ... I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 01:48:54 PM
I see nothing new with Natalee.  I will hang in the rafters for awhile.  Appears to be a little too much snipping going on for some reason and I don't want to be a part of it.  I respect each person here for Natalee and personnally expect better out of each of us. JMO

Blue Moon, did you ever consider that there could be a plan to keep all quiet and in the rafters
until we only have TexasMom with her wonderful news reports and one poster repeating her
opinion over and over and over again?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 16, 2009, 01:58:44 PM
Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

Everyone is entitled to either agree or disagree with another's opinion.

NO ONE, in my opinion, should take an opinion disagreement personally.

NO ONE, in my opinion, should try and force their beliefs onto others with guilt, passive aggressiveness, or downright nastiness.

We all have different personalities, not all will always agree on all things.

We all have different means of sorting through, digging for, and analyzing information.

In the end, we are all still here four and a half years later for the same end goal - Justice and Answers.

That's all that should matter.

That is my opinion.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 02:02:03 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::   Very well said, Jen3560.     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 16, 2009, 02:04:38 PM
I see nothing new with Natalee.  I will hang in the rafters for awhile.  Appears to be a little too much snipping going on for some reason and I don't want to be a part of it.  I respect each person here for Natalee and personnally expect better out of each of us. JMO

Blue Moon, did you ever consider that there could be a plan to keep all quiet and in the rafters
until we only have TexasMom with her wonderful news reports and one poster repeating her
opinion over and over and over again?


Thank you Magnolia, and to anyone thinking that I was snipping. I apologise.  I will be here for Natalee and Beth untill Beth says to stop, but I too will be in the rafters from now on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 02:16:39 PM
Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

Everyone is entitled to either agree or disagree with another's opinion.

NO ONE, in my opinion, should take an opinion disagreement personally.

NO ONE, in my opinion, should try and force their beliefs onto others with guilt, passive aggressiveness, or downright nastiness.

We all have different personalities, not all will always agree on all things.

We all have different means of sorting through, digging for, and analyzing information.

In the end, we are all still here four and a half years later for the same end goal - Justice and Answers.

That's all that should matter.

That is my opinion.  ::MonkeyCool::

I agree 110% Jen3560.This is about Justice for Natalee Holloway..Period!To allow someone else to silence your voice when you have when is a shame...JMOO!I will continue down the road to Justice for Natalee Holloway no matter what!Why?Because this is about Natalee Holloway and not my PERSONAL FEELINGS....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
The following words of Peter Devries regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession"  implies ... in more ways than one ... the Range Rover undertaking was a distraction from the recovered contents of the trap/cage on January 1, 2008.

Not only is the cage/trap not an issue in the disposal segment of the recording ... the implication is that Joran's shoe could not have been in that cage/trap.  In other word ... the impression is given that the contents of the trap/cage recovered by the Arubans was not case related.

IMO

Janet

+++++++


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and  hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #263 on: November 15, 2008, 08:56:36 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg543129#msg543129


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 16, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
TxMom - you posted an article on money laundering and corruption that has had me thinking all day.

It's now common knowledge, and publicly discussed, that Aruba's government is corrupt.

There's no denying that, and even officials from the Netherlands are now (finally) looking into it.

That makes me wonder then - what is happening with an investigation into the corrupt officials who handled Natalee's case?

That latest article refers to a concern about the image of the Dutch and the Kingdom.

Do they not realize that the biggest publicized crime in Aruba's history gives them a bigger black eye than money laundering, posturing about the new judicial bench, etc etc ever will?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 02:45:36 PM
When Kermit, and later Jen and other Freebirds, came here to expose the Persistence endeaver,
they came with absolute proof, in the form of Kyle's post and other research that they had done.
It was plainly obvious what had happened.  It was obvious that the 4 headed Capslockwizard was
a fraud.
What I am seeing now is not documented proof with backup.....as Kermit had provided..., but opinion
with no backup whatsoever.....just various and random quotes that can be taken one way or another.
Any other monkey's opinion is totally disregarded.
I am here for justice for Natalee and will be as long as it takes, but I do not see how the latest discussion
will bring that justice. JMO and not worth the space it takes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 02:52:20 PM
When Kermit, and later Jen and other Freebirds, came here to expose the Persistence endeaver,
they came with absolute proof, in the form of Kyle's post and other research that they had done.
It was plainly obvious what had happened.  It was obvious that the 4 headed Capslockwizard was
a fraud.
What I am seeing now is not documented proof with backup.....as Kermit had provided..., but opinion
with no backup whatsoever.....just various and random quotes that can be taken one way or another.
Any other monkey's opinion is totally disregarded.
I am here for justice for Natalee and will be as long as it takes, but I do not see how the latest discussion
will bring that justice. JMO and not worth the space it takes.

Your opinion Magnolia..Is worth the space.I don't always agree with everybody & i sure don't disregard anyones opinion!If you were in my head,which wouldn't be fun(LOL)you'd understand the amount of dialogue that goes on in my head in regards to what monkey's think..Hope that made some sense???Each and every Monkey's voice is as valuable as the next! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 16, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
SuzieQ (our NAH poster) does not equal Susy Q (the front page poster) or SusieQ (another nic used in this thread by someone else).....so, if the front page poster is being quoted, it seems that that person is a
stranger to us.

I know the spelling is close, but close is not good enough if you are using the quote of that person to make a point.

And good afternoon monkey people....and Hi to SuzieQ with a "z"..... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 02:57:11 PM
SuzieQ (our NAH poster) does not equal Susy Q (the front page poster) or SusieQ (another nic used in this thread by someone else).....so, if the front page poster is being quoted, it seems that that person is a
stranger to us.

I know the spelling is close, but close is not good enough if you are using the quote of that person to make a point.

And good afternoon monkey people....and Hi to SuzieQ with a "z"..... :2waver:

Good Afternoon Mere! ::MonkeyBike:: The nurses said i could ride my bike if i was safe! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 16, 2009, 02:58:59 PM
SuzieQ (our NAH poster) does not equal Susy Q (the front page poster) or SusieQ (another nic used in this thread by someone else).....so, if the front page poster is being quoted, it seems that that person is a
stranger to us.

I know the spelling is close, but close is not good enough if you are using the quote of that person to make a point.

And good afternoon monkey people....and Hi to SuzieQ with a "z"..... :2waver:

Good Afternoon Mere! ::MonkeyBike:: The nurses said i could ride my bike if i was safe! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I see you're riding on the sidewalk...you are safe...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 03:02:49 PM
SuzieQ (our NAH poster) does not equal Susy Q (the front page poster) or SusieQ (another nic used in this thread by someone else).....so, if the front page poster is being quoted, it seems that that person is a
stranger to us.

I know the spelling is close, but close is not good enough if you are using the quote of that person to make a point.

And good afternoon monkey people....and Hi to SuzieQ with a "z"..... :2waver:

Good Afternoon Mere! ::MonkeyBike:: The nurses said i could ride my bike if i was safe! ::MonkeyLaugh::

I see you're riding on the sidewalk...you are safe...!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 03:05:43 PM
Paulus was released as a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case by the Aruban court on November 5, 2005.
From all that I have read, that means that he can't be charged again.
He was denied compensation, but still released from suspect status.

Nothing that DeVries said can change Paulus' status as a suspect.
However he is now accused of smuggling a phone into the jail to his son.
He is now accused of paying off police as per Joran's statement to Greta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 03:14:41 PM
SuzieQ (our NAH poster) does not equal Susy Q (the front page poster) or SusieQ (another nic used in this thread by someone else).....so, if the front page poster is being quoted, it seems that that person is a
stranger to us.

I know the spelling is close, but close is not good enough if you are using the quote of that person to make a point.

And good afternoon monkey people....and Hi to SuzieQ with a "z"..... :2waver:

Hi, Mere! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 16, 2009, 04:16:44 PM
SuzieQ (our NAH poster) does not equal Susy Q (the front page poster) or SusieQ (another nic used in this thread by someone else).....so, if the front page poster is being quoted, it seems that that person is a
stranger to us.

I know the spelling is close, but close is not good enough if you are using the quote of that person to make a point.

And good afternoon monkey people....and Hi to SuzieQ with a "z"..... :2waver:

Hi, Mere! ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Magnolia....as I wait and watch, I know there will be Justice for Anna Le in New Haven...and I would hope that the LE and Justice system in Aruba would watch also and take notes.   :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 16, 2009, 04:25:23 PM
self edit typo......Hi Magnolia....as I wait and watch, I know there will be Justice for Annie Le in New Haven...and I would hope that the LE and Justice system in Aruba would watch also and take notes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
I see nothing new with Natalee.  I will hang in the rafters for awhile.  Appears to be a little too much snipping going on for some reason and I don't want to be a part of it.  I respect each person here for Natalee and personnally expect better out of each of us. JMO

Blue Moon, did you ever consider that there could be a plan to keep all quiet and in the rafters
until we only have TexasMom with her wonderful news reports and one poster repeating her
opinion over and over and over again?

That thought has crossed my mind, Magnolia.  I hope it's not so, but at this point nothing would surprise me. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 07:01:32 PM
Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion.

Everyone is entitled to either agree or disagree with another's opinion.

NO ONE, in my opinion, should take an opinion disagreement personally.

NO ONE, in my opinion, should try and force their beliefs onto others with guilt, passive aggressiveness, or downright nastiness.

We all have different personalities, not all will always agree on all things.

We all have different means of sorting through, digging for, and analyzing information.

In the end, we are all still here four and a half years later for the same end goal - Justice and Answers.

That's all that should matter.

That is my opinion.  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you jen!  I agree, and you said it so nicely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
I see nothing new with Natalee.  I will hang in the rafters for awhile.  Appears to be a little too much snipping going on for some reason and I don't want to be a part of it.  I respect each person here for Natalee and personnally expect better out of each of us. JMO

Blue Moon, did you ever consider that there could be a plan to keep all quiet and in the rafters
until we only have TexasMom with her wonderful news reports and one poster repeating her
opinion over and over and over again?

That thought has crossed my mind, Magnolia.  I hope it's not so, but at this point nothing would surprise me. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


 

Many of our good posters sit in the rafters because they are just sick of butting heads with a brick wall.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 07:12:16 PM
 ::MonkeySkate::   On another note.........

Texasmom is one away from 10000.....she's worked for it. 

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :thumright:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 07:14:34 PM
TxMom - you posted an article on money laundering and corruption that has had me thinking all day.

It's now common knowledge, and publicly discussed, that Aruba's government is corrupt.

There's no denying that, and even officials from the Netherlands are now (finally) looking into it.

That makes me wonder then - what is happening with an investigation into the corrupt officials who handled Natalee's case?

That latest article refers to a concern about the image of the Dutch and the Kingdom.

Do they not realize that the biggest publicized crime in Aruba's history gives them a bigger black eye than money laundering, posturing about the new judicial bench, etc etc ever will?

I've wondered the same, Jen.  Maybe I've missed something in the papers, or maybe the subject is taboo until after the election.  But I've been looking...believe me I have.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 07:17:21 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyWeight:: :smt049

TM...All Star!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
TxMom - you posted an article on money laundering and corruption that has had me thinking all day.

It's now common knowledge, and publicly discussed, that Aruba's government is corrupt.

There's no denying that, and even officials from the Netherlands are now (finally) looking into it.

That makes me wonder then - what is happening with an investigation into the corrupt officials who handled Natalee's case?

That latest article refers to a concern about the image of the Dutch and the Kingdom.

Do they n

ot realize that the biggest publicized crime in Aruba's history gives them a bigger black eye than money laundering, posturing about the new judicial bench, etc etc ever will?

I've wondered the same, Jen.  Maybe I've missed something in the papers, or maybe the subject is taboo until after the election.  But I've been looking...believe me I have.


Congratulations, TM.  You are great!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 16, 2009, 07:20:45 PM
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CONGRATULATIONS TEXASMOM ON 10,000 POSTS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 07:21:50 PM
::MonkeySkate::   On another note.........

Texasmom is one away from 10000.....she's worked for it. 

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :thumright:

 ::MonkeyShocked::


I hadn't even thought about that!   ::MonkeySkate::

Thanks 2NJ!

I think I'm gonna cry...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
::MonkeySkate::   On another note.........

Texasmom is one away from 10000.....she's worked for it. 

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :thumright:

 ::MonkeyShocked::


I hadn't even thought about that!   ::MonkeySkate::

Thanks 2NJ!

I think I'm gonna cry...

No crying allowed.  You work very hard to bring us the news, discoveries, as well as your thoughts on a daily basis.  It is very much appreciated.  We know it is for Natalee, that's the icing on the cake.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 07:32:14 PM

Thanks 2NJ, Magnolia, and Muffybee!  I love everyone here!  ::MonkeyCheer2::

But I never thought I'd make it to 10,000 before Natalee was brought home.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::

So I'm happy and sad...

Thanks again everyone for noticing!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
I see nothing new with Natalee.  I will hang in the rafters for awhile.  Appears to be a little too much snipping going on for some reason and I don't want to be a part of it.  I respect each person here for Natalee and personnally expect better out of each of us. JMO

Blue Moon, did you ever consider that there could be a plan to keep all quiet and in the rafters
until we only have TexasMom with her wonderful news reports and one poster repeating her
opinion over and over and over again?

That thought has crossed my mind, Magnolia.  I hope it's not so, but at this point nothing would surprise me. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


 

Many of our good posters sit in the rafters because they are just sick of butting heads with a brick wall.

Well I wish they would just ignore the brick wall, and come on down and share their thoughts with us.  I know it's hard to ignore things that bother us, I'm the world's worst about not just scrolling by and moving on.  But it's what we need to do.

I'm going to try to do better, but I'm pretty set in my ways...so I won't make any promises I can't keep.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 07:56:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62519.php

Google translation:

VNO surprised attitude Dutch

September 16, 2009, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-aruba-vno-gebouw-_al_-16.gif)

The VNO-building in Oranjestad.

ORANGE CITY - "We Dutch can only assist us if they express. We are nevertheless surprised that as we look expectantly to be. So far, four Dutch people have reported to us, "said Menno Bart, spokesperson of the Representation of the Netherlands to Aruba (VNO).

"The new system Radex that customs now uses about one half, the first people who have 180 days in Aruba have surfaced." It may be that people are sent back. According to the information that has Bart, the counter back to zero on January 1. People continue from that date again with a clean slate.

The problem is, according to the spokesman, there are currently two types of legislation are run by each other. Bart: "You have to make both the Aliens and the other with the Tax Legislation and Population. The latter suggests that someone is after a stay of 180 days to register. "
Bart believes that poor communication has led to much anxiety, because at the moment nobody really knows where he stands. He understands the fears of people that they can be afgestuurd of the island. "VNO would like for these people act as their intermediary and intermediary in Dimas. This is to ensure that these people are treated in a polite way, "says Bart.

Deputy Director Ayesha Staring-Engelbrecht said in an interview with this newspaper stated that the application of a 'letter rentiers' the only solution is to be allowed to stay longer in Aruba. People who receive an appeal to have a house on Aruba have also demonstrated to have adequate housing. They must demonstrate that they have a guaranteed fixed income of at least 100,000 net florin a year. This can take the form of fixed income annuity, or pension funds, said the list of requirements Dimas.

It remains unclear why a decision has been made on August 1 will be implemented retroactively. An employee of the immigration service knows that there are uncertainties about the new admission policy of August 1. They also know the rule currently applied and that from that date are not counted. She is standing on at this newspaper do not insist. She refers us to the acting director of immigration, Director Croes. Through him we are directed to the spokesperson of Warda nos Costa, S. Croes. The spokesman has not had discussions with the Acting Director of Immigration on the new admission policy: "I do not know what date is used, since I still have to discuss Croes," said the spokesman Wardo Costa nos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 16, 2009, 07:56:23 PM
 
                    You are the best....!
   
                    I count on you....to read papiamentu
 
                    ......to let me know when it's
   
                    time to sign out for the night...... ::MonkeyAngel::

                    ......and for the wonderful pictures of Natalee

                    Congratulations Monkey Person and Thanks...!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
 
                    You are the best....!
   
                    I count on you....to read papiamentu
 
                    ......to let me know when it's
   
                    time to sign out for the night...... ::MonkeyAngel::

                    ......and for the wonderful pictures of Natalee

                    Congratulations Monkey Person and Thanks...!



Thank you Mere, that is so nice of you!

We have much better papiamentu readers here, they're just not around as much; thankfully you have all given me credit for TRYING!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope that seeing Natalee's sweet beautiful face gives us all the courage to keep up the fight for her, and her family.  I know it keeps my determination strong, to never give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:10:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62518.php

Google translation:

Boat with twenty illegals turned

September 16, 2009, 13:36 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - A boat with illegals then probably eight p.m. last night was off to Valero refinery turned. A total of six people found alive. They have been detained. The search for the other fourteen people on board goes unabated today.

Around four hours at night, the Coast Guard received a report in which a boat would be turned. Directly this was a unit sent to help. Also search and rescue organization Sarfa took part in the rescue operation. On the reef for the refinery was the capsized boat was found 26 feet, and three crew including the captain. He stated that originally there were twenty people on board. The search was then continued. This allowed three more drowned in security who had managed to bring themselves to a buoy by fixing clips are saved. The Coast Guard was at fault during the search, but could be helped by Sarfa. The other drowned in the time of printing of this newspaper is not found. It is unknown whether they have reached land or perhaps drowned.

This morning the search was resumed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:14:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62517.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Former policeman Rincones to KIA

September 16, 2009, 13:33 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-aruba-rincones-_fb_-16-0.gif)

Chu Rincones after extending his detention by the court moved to prison KIA.

ORANGE CITY - Former police officer Chu Rincones was yesterday transferred to prison KIA. The judge again decided to extend the detention of Rincones. The former policeman, who waited a certificate of good conduct to be appointed as head of the Immigration Service, is suspected of illegal possession of firearms. After a burglary in his house, while Rincones was abroad, the police discovered a firearm. The former policeman was therefore arrested on Friday, September 4 at the jail and detained in Santa Cruz. A day later he saved the life of a fellow prisoner. That night hit Rincones alarm when in the cell next to him a prisoner own lives trying to rob. The extension of detention for many Rincones was unexpected because little or no flight risk or risk of recurrence would be. It is reported that Rincones, who was also loyal campaigner for Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP), at the time of the call of the Public Ministry to the people to surrender weapons to the police, the firearm in his possession received.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62515.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Online forum with all political leaders

September 16, 2009, 13:32 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "PDR has yet to see if it fits in the budget. PPA and MPA are still under consideration and we are trying to get in touch with Duijn Field of MSI. "Margarita Jason publicity office ASAP Productions said to have already received confirmation from Mike Eman (AVP), Nel Oduber (MEP), Max Robert (Curpa) and Rudy Lampe (RED) to participate in an online forum on September 24, which takes place in the studios of ISH Media in Dakota and will be followed on www.asaparuba.com.

"It is no debate. Initially it was our plan but Nel Oduber was categorically against it. Not only he but also Curpa PDR and have since expressed opposition. I can be there with some proposals, because nobody wants on the eve of the election still collect a loss. "And so the organizers opted for a model in which the political leaders as much as possible be accommodated. "Political leaders do not directly debate with each other, but get one days in advance ten specific questions addressed to them. Which they can respond during the broadcast. The hard questions are not anyway. It is intended that they feel safe, otherwise it will not do. Look, the point is that ultimately there is something which has to some people. And besides all discussions so far it only been shouting match. "

No public
After this round of questions get the political leaders a number of questions from viewers who follow the online forum. There is no audience present. "That was a condition from which the parties were required," said Margarita. On the day before the show, all parties of ASAP Productions a full hour broadcast time. "AVP will report on their parade, with commentary by Mike Eman. Curpa comes with a program in which the candidates are introduced and so will guarantee one hours to fill. On the day of the forum, all the tools to repeat live broadcast the night, "said Jason Margarita. Moderators for this evening hospital spokesman and radio presenter Bob Harms and local media personality Poentje Castro.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62514.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Statements Edmond Croes possible criminal '

September 16, 2009, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) is a call to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) to take action against inflammatory statements in Edmond Croes Solo Di Pueblo morning paper. Also, the committee that the Public Prosecutor (OM) by whether the statements are punishable by Croes.

Croes, who also owns the morning paper, the statements made on Monday, September 14 after he on a "Buitendag" organized by MEP was stopped by police and warned. MEP supporters were at the Buitendag, which incidentally coincided with parades of PDR and MPA, encouraged in groups along the MEP completed projects to drive. The group, including Edmond Croes, was at the roundabout direction of Pos Chiquito San Nicolas stopped by the police and sent back. Croes got this so a warning from the police. Furious at such "injustice" he wrote in his newspaper that it was "not the fault should make the voice of the people to silence." "Those of us who arrested because the campaigns, will be responsible if the people stand up against this," says Croes. "It is clear that the anti-police and anti-MEP NEL is."

Unacceptable
These "inflammatory statements" in the newspaper and comments on TOP FM radio station, which also owns Croes, CBB decide to have a signal indicating that the tone and message of these reports "unacceptable" to. "It is unacceptable that in the last weeks before the election this way our country in a state of chaos and discord will be charged. Nobody with sense would want. "It underlines the responsibility of political leaders and premier Oduber to maintain public order. CBB to prevent the elections are disrupted by chaos and intimidation. Comisión di Bon is Boluntad containing an independent committee including representatives of the police, unions and business. The committee will monitor the campaigns and the way they are conducted. To this end the committee agreed with all political parties (excluding government party MEP who refused to sign) and with the press.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:27:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62512.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Circus in the soup

September 16, 2009, 13:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Investors who want a circus to get the island, have reported Sunday afternoon against the woman she had hired for this organization. According to investors, the organizers received a total of 30,000 florin to the circus to get here. However, it would have embezzled the money and intend to enter the island. Justice was on and the police immediately went to the airport to the woman to hold. The investigation into this matter is ongoing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62513.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

MWV: 'Family deceased young patient satisfaction'

September 16, 2009, 13:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Following the death of three year old patient on Thursday, September 10 and the controlled press release on that day if the General Health Insurance Implementing Body (MWV) again and the other one straight.

The message of the death of the girl on Thursday came just before a staff meeting MWV was already planned for some time. According MWV was great consternation when the insurer and has therefore direct the festive part of the meeting is deleted. "The press release was subsequently circulated written in hindsight perhaps too much emotion and involvement with the girl. This things are written or else we would rather not have said. Here we want everyone in the media who felt this offends, our apologies, "said MWV. In the press release of September 10 said the insurer has a different tone. MWV wrote that it "was sad to note that in some very negative media messages appear again on the role therein of MWV. Moreover, the organization wrote: "What disturbs us even more and even baffles, is that unfortunately people who are pure in their own interests even at the death of a three year old child to reduce this level."

Family satisfaction
In the letter to the press late MWV also know that the health insurer now has had contact with the family of the deceased girl. Next week comes from them a personal letter to all media. MWV: "They ask the media to wait for them this time to express their grief." Declares the family also satisfied with how MWV in the case of their daughter and acted with commitment and speed of this insurer. The family would also have been no question of a money problem, as was suggested last week by local media. MWV who reported that no money would have had to transport the patient to Bogota for a second opinion.

The situation of the three year old girl has been running since July 18 by an accident with serious injuries. That same day they transported via air ambulance to General Clinica del Norte in Barranquilla, Colombia. Although by physicians, both Aruba and in Colombia, was found that there was an extremely poor prognosis regarding the likelihood of recovery and even survival, then by MWV has decided to continue searching for a solution through a second opinion . This would occur in Fundacion Cardio Infantil in Bogotá. "Unfortunately, this second opinion not have been possible by the death of the patient last Thursday," said MWV.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 16, 2009, 08:34:00 PM
The translations of the Headlines from Aruba are just too funny. ::MonkeyLaugh::

"Circus in the soup" is my favorite!

Thanks, TM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62510.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

For the first time to the polls

September 16, 2009, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Most students of the evening will havo upcoming elections for the first time to vote. Voting is a right and it is good for democracy, they find. Many of the students know not only what goes on in politics, they generally find politics boring. Because they do not know what's going on is that for some reason to vote the same party as their parents. "From small to know no better off than we Parties, our neighborhood is the same party," said one of the pupils in an interview with Radio Netherlands.
 
Politics is not the most exciting find. But in a given profession can do a lot to do with politics, thus havist. "If the government works for you then you need them to move forward." Another student will not just blindly vote the same as his parents. He wants everything first to have one row. "I'm going to see what is best for me, as it is well settled that a party to get votes."

Most do believe that all parties alike. They call each other that they lie, they constantly argue with each other and do not know who is now telling the truth and who is not. Another student believes that they are old enough to know what's good. And still another opinion states: "That you should first look at what has happened over the last eight years and what has been achieved. Then you know what went well or not. "

The political debates on television, followed by some. Also, the pamphlets distributed by the most read. But others throw them away, because they take their own party to vote.

Furthermore they do not believe that the politically sensitive in Aruba and that people dare not open their mouths to do. As an example they get to the parades that many participants at the muster. What they do not consent to these parades is that people do not respect one another and parades that often end in fights. Despite everything, the overall trend is changing. Young people no longer automatically vote what their parents vote, but they want to vote for a party that is best for them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:37:54 PM
The translations of the Headlines from Aruba are just too funny. ::MonkeyLaugh::

"Circus in the soup" is my favorite!

Thanks, TM.

I liked that one too!  I couldn't help but think....NO (circus) soup for you Aruba!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 08:40:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62509.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Visit travel agents Neckermann

September 16, 2009, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-aruba-neckermann-_16-09-.gif)

ORANGE CITY - Travel Agents Travel tour operator Neckermann have recently paid a working visit to Aruba. Representatives of Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), the group of 24 around. The travel agents stayed in Hotel Talk of the Town and the Holiday Inn hotel. The other hotels were visited, so the agents will have a picture of any accommodation forms and thus they can easily sell to their customers. Moreover, the group of El Tours offered an island tour and an afternoon at Red Sail Sports catamaran. The picture is the entire group at Eagle Beach to see.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 16, 2009, 09:21:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62509.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Visit travel agents Neckermann

September 16, 2009, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-aruba-neckermann-_16-09-.gif)

ORANGE CITY - Travel Agents Travel tour operator Neckermann have recently paid a working visit to Aruba. Representatives of Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), the group of 24 around. The travel agents stayed in Hotel Talk of the Town and the Holiday Inn hotel. The other hotels were visited, so the agents will have a picture of any accommodation forms and thus they can easily sell to their customers. Moreover, the group of El Tours offered an island tour and an afternoon at Red Sail Sports catamaran. The picture is the entire group at Eagle Beach to see.
I wonder if They ever thought that maybe this might lose them business instead of gaining it for them.....lol!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 16, 2009, 09:30:11 PM
Congrats TM on your # of posts for Natalee.  Thanks also for your dedication to keeping Aruba in the spotlight.

 ::MonkeyCheer2::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 16, 2009, 09:39:16 PM
TM...Congrats on becoming a Monkey ALL Star...But I have to add in MO You have been a NATALEE ALL STAR for a Very Long Time and I Thank You for being Here and Giving All that You Do!.. You Are AWESOME!    ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 09:56:31 PM
Congrats TM on your # of posts for Natalee.  Thanks also for your dedication to keeping Aruba in the spotlight.

 ::MonkeyCheer2::  ::MonkeyGavel::

Thank you Blue Moon!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
TM...Congrats on becoming a Monkey ALL Star...But I have to add in MO You have been a NATALEE ALL STAR for a Very Long Time and I Thank You for being Here and Giving All that You Do!.. You Are AWESOME!    ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::

That is so nice of you!  Thank you for all you do too!   ::MonkeyCheer3::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 16, 2009, 10:15:29 PM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 10:18:02 PM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06032005b.jpg)


IT'S ALL ABOUT NATALEE.....WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY! ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 16, 2009, 10:27:09 PM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 16, 2009, 10:53:23 PM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.




I don't know where he is at -- but it shows he is still on-line at SM



Congrats on your milestone!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 11:03:19 PM
TM...Congrats on becoming a Monkey ALL Star...But I have to add in MO You have been a NATALEE ALL STAR for a Very Long Time and I Thank You for being Here and Giving All that You Do!.. You Are AWESOME!    ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyCool::
Hotping...concur 10,000%
Texasmom.....YOU are my ALL STAR also......
You go girl!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:06:43 PM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.




I don't know where he is at -- but it shows he is still on-line at SM



Congrats on your milestone!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Well...a little earlier...when I went to that link I posted, he was there.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:07:40 PM
TM...Congrats on becoming a Monkey ALL Star...But I have to add in MO You have been a NATALEE ALL STAR for a Very Long Time and I Thank You for being Here and Giving All that You Do!.. You Are AWESOME!    ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyCool::
Hotping...concur 10,000%
Texasmom.....YOU are my ALL STAR also......
You go girl!!

Thanks billb!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
TM  ::MonkeyCool:: Me thinks this may get good..Nuff said! ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 16, 2009, 11:11:47 PM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.




I don't know where he is at -- but it shows he is still on-line at SM



Congrats on your milestone!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Well...a little earlier...when I went to that link I posted, he was there.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::

I don't see him signed on right now.  Hopefully, he'll be back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 16, 2009, 11:13:25 PM
One Big reason I'm here with the night crew is....
I KNOW I can count on Texasmom to always post a picture of Natalee before she bids us goodnight and post Justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:13:48 PM
TM  ::MonkeyCool:: Me thinks this may get good..Nuff said! ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 11:17:36 PM
TM  ::MonkeyCool:: Me thinks this may get good..Nuff said! ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Congrats on the All-Star.You don't need stats to confirm that.you've always been one! ::MonkeyAngel:: Billb..Whatta bout Wreck and his emroidered chair!We should fabricate a small monkey engine for his embroidered chair so he doesn't have to get up to go to the kitchen...VROOM,VROOM Wreck... ::MonkeyLaugh:: I kidd you Wreck!  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:19:46 PM
One Big reason I'm here with the night crew is....
I KNOW I can count on Texasmom to always post a picture of Natalee before she bids us goodnight and post Justice for Natalee.

I hope to be here to do that each and every night until the day comes when I won't need to anymore.  When the Truth and Justice for Natalee has come!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 16, 2009, 11:20:49 PM
CONGRATS, TM!!!!  You know you've always been an All Star in my book, too!!!   ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:22:29 PM
TM  ::MonkeyCool:: Me thinks this may get good..Nuff said! ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Congrats on the All-Star.You don't need stats to confirm that.you've always been one! ::MonkeyAngel:: Billb..Whatta bout Wreck and his emroidered chair!We should fabricate a small monkey engine for his embroidered chair so he doesn't have to get up to go to the kitchen...VROOM,VROOM Wreck... ::MonkeyLaugh:: I kidd you Wreck!  ::MonkeyBike::

Thanks KTF!   ::MonkeyJnBox::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 16, 2009, 11:23:24 PM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
CONGRATS, TM!!!!  You know you've always been an All Star in my book, too!!!   ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks CBB!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 11:24:47 PM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That is so AWESOME CBB! ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 16, 2009, 11:31:53 PM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That is so AWESOME CBB! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you guys are special and the only thread I make "deliveries" to, but it started that way from the beginning, and you all are just, well.......... "homies"!   ::MonkeyWink:: Besides, it's impossible to break you all in to going to the link in my signature line, so instead, I get all these messages from other mods, saying, "Did you see so and so's request in Natalee's thread?"  You're SPOILED, dammt, SPOILED, I say!   ::MonkeyTease::

I WUB you all!! You da FAMILY!     ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 16, 2009, 11:38:20 PM
We may squabble & disagree from time to time but,Tha Family still here doin our Justice thang... ::MonkeyDance:: Go Monkey's,Go Monkey's..SHHHHH.Keep it down!It's gettin late for us at the nursing home.Mere isn't keepin the nurses busy right now.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:56:22 PM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That is so AWESOME CBB! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you guys are special and the only thread I make "deliveries" to, but it started that way from the beginning, and you all are just, well.......... "homies"!   ::MonkeyWink:: Besides, it's impossible to break you all in to going to the link in my signature line, so instead, I get all these messages from other mods, saying, "Did you see so and so's request in Natalee's thread?"  You're SPOILED, dammt, SPOILED, I say!   ::MonkeyTease::

I WUB you all!! You da FAMILY!     ::MonkeyDance::

Spoiled can be good!   ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyDevil::

We all WUB you too CBB!  You're the BEST!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 16, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
We may squabble & disagree from time to time but,Tha Family still here doin our Justice thang... ::MonkeyDance:: Go Monkey's,Go Monkey's..SHHHHH.Keep it down!It's gettin late for us at the nursing home.Mere isn't keepin the nurses busy right now.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That is so AWESOME CBB! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you guys are special and the only thread I make "deliveries" to, but it started that way from the beginning, and you all are just, well.......... "homies"!   ::MonkeyWink:: Besides, it's impossible to break you all in to going to the link in my signature line, so instead, I get all these messages from other mods, saying, "Did you see so and so's request in Natalee's thread?"  You're SPOILED, dammt, SPOILED, I say!   ::MonkeyTease::

I WUB you all!! You da FAMILY!     ::MonkeyDance::
Yep spoiled like rotten bananas...lol  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 12:07:36 AM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/06032005b.jpg)


IT'S ALL ABOUT NATALEE.....WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY! ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::



bump   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 17, 2009, 12:13:20 AM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That is so AWESOME CBB! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you guys are special and the only thread I make "deliveries" to, but it started that way from the beginning, and you all are just, well.......... "homies"!   ::MonkeyWink:: Besides, it's impossible to break you all in to going to the link in my signature line, so instead, I get all these messages from other mods, saying, "Did you see so and so's request in Natalee's thread?"  You're SPOILED, dammt, SPOILED, I say!   ::MonkeyTease::

I WUB you all!! You da FAMILY!     ::MonkeyDance::
Yep spoiled like rotten bananas...lol  ::MonkeyKiss::

Which are REQUIRED to make good banana bread!  ::MonkeyDance::    :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 12:15:59 AM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Jen.gif

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: That is so AWESOME CBB! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you guys are special and the only thread I make "deliveries" to, but it started that way from the beginning, and you all are just, well.......... "homies"!   ::MonkeyWink:: Besides, it's impossible to break you all in to going to the link in my signature line, so instead, I get all these messages from other mods, saying, "Did you see so and so's request in Natalee's thread?"  You're SPOILED, dammt, SPOILED, I say!   ::MonkeyTease::

I WUB you all!! You da FAMILY!     ::MonkeyDance::
Yep spoiled like rotten bananas...lol  ::MonkeyKiss::

Which are REQUIRED to make good banana bread!  ::MonkeyDance::    :smt102
Yep Rotten But Good!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 12:27:35 AM
There was a guest in the OIL thread if you don't already know Magnolia! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 01:07:45 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 17, 2009, 01:09:05 AM
There was a guest in the OIL thread if you don't already know Magnolia! ::MonkeyCool::

I saw him KTF....not sure what to think of him.  Is he an imposter?  Guess we'll have to wait and see.
His facebook looks a little shady.  It will be interesting to see what develops if he comes back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 01:14:23 AM
There was a guest in the OIL thread if you don't already know Magnolia! ::MonkeyCool::

I saw him KTF....not sure what to think of him.  Is he an imposter?  Guess we'll have to wait and see.
His facebook looks a little shady.  It will be interesting to see what develops if he comes back.

TICK_TOCK..As a wise monkey all-star once said "Nuff Said"... ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 17, 2009, 01:14:33 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 01:16:32 AM
Natalee's Candles.....light the way.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 01:23:21 AM
There was a guest in the OIL thread if you don't already know Magnolia! ::MonkeyCool::

I saw him KTF....not sure what to think of him.  Is he an imposter?  Guess we'll have to wait and see.
His facebook looks a little shady.  It will be interesting to see what develops if he comes back.

TICK_TOCK..As a wise monkey all-star once said "Nuff Said"... ::MonkeyLaugh::



::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 01:24:37 AM
Natalee's Candles.....light the way.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0
Thanks 2NJ I'm headed there now  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 01:26:58 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/ChurchLady_riurote.jpg)

for now anyway....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 01:27:47 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

No....I made a post at 7:49pm in Oil & Gas and he didn't post until 10:11pm....there was more activity here, so that thread was not on top.   Maybe he was googling his dad?   I really don't have any idea.  He will have to come back and answer our questions since that is what appeared to be his intent.   

Goodnight...  I'm a lightweight anymore....can't hang with the night crew.   See you later.         ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 01:28:19 AM
Natalee's Candles.....light the way.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 01:28:44 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

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for now anyway....
  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 01:30:15 AM
Good Night 2NJ!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 01:31:56 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

No....I made a post at 7:49pm in Oil & Gas and he didn't post until 10:11pm....there was more activity here, so that thread was not on top.   Maybe he was googling his dad?   I really don't have any idea.  He will have to come back and answer our questions since that is what appeared to be his intent.   

Goodnight...  I'm a lightweight anymore....can't hang with the night crew.   See you later.         ::MonkeyWink::

Good night 2NJ!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm not far behind you, it's been a long week!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 01:35:48 AM
Maybe Helvicmen doesn't realize to refresh in order to see the posts? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 01:49:50 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 01:53:42 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 01:54:17 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

No....I made a post at 7:49pm in Oil & Gas and he didn't post until 10:11pm....there was more activity here, so that thread was not on top.   Maybe he was googling his dad?   I really don't have any idea.  He will have to come back and answer our questions since that is what appeared to be his intent.   

Goodnight...  I'm a lightweight anymore....can't hang with the night crew.   See you later.         ::MonkeyWink::
I'm slower than dirt...who is he?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 01:59:12 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::
Good night Ktf and all Good Monkeys...keep in on the sidewalk keepthefaith...it is safer there...

All of you good Monkeys astound me every day with the way you keep it together for Natalee....
That is why we are here.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 02:01:02 AM
Good Night KTF! Sorry I missed You... I was off in the wild blue yonder digging!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 02:01:58 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::
Good night Ktf and all Good Monkeys...keep in on the sidewalk keepthefaith...it is safer there...

All of you good Monkeys astound me every day with the way you keep it together for Natalee....
That is why we are here.....
Good Night billb!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 02:09:47 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::
Good night Ktf and all Good Monkeys...keep in on the sidewalk keepthefaith...it is safer there...

All of you good Monkeys astound me every day with the way you keep it together for Natalee....
That is why we are here.....
Good Night billb!  ::MonkeyCool::
Hotping...
I always say good night and then log off and when I come on the next evening, or evenings later, I never acknowledged those who came on after wishing me a good night.....
So..Good night Hotping! I appreciated all you do for Justice for Natalee... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:11:04 AM
Came up with this one in a search....

http://donjuan1973.hi5.com/friend/p325690559--Shine_Helmen--html

Shine Helmen

Age 49

Birthday November 25

Location Aruba

http://donjuan1973.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?photoId=2925120567&albumId=269284201&ownerId=325690559#2925120567_325690559_269284201_0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 02:14:05 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::
Good night Ktf and all Good Monkeys...keep in on the sidewalk keepthefaith...it is safer there...

All of you good Monkeys astound me every day with the way you keep it together for Natalee....
That is why we are here.....
Good Night billb!  ::MonkeyCool::
Hotping...
I always say good night and then log off and when I come on the next evening, or evenings later, I never acknowledged those who came on after wishing me a good night.....
So..Good night Hotping! I appreciated all you do for Justice for Natalee... ::MonkeyAngel::
I know that happens to Me too....Thanks billb!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:17:31 AM
http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/1330/manageArticle.html


Boolchand’s & Tierra del Sol announce Heritage Cup Results
Rona Coster
Aruba’s first golf series concluded last Saturday as the last of the 5 week series of events for the 2009 Tierra del Sol Heritage Cup presented by Boolchand’s, came to a festive end.

Head Pro Oliver Riding and Ravee Boolchand had the distinct honor of awarding prizes to the winners at an informal award ceremony hosted by Amadeus Bar & Restaurant in Tanki Leendert.

The final results of the Tierra del Sol Heritage Cup listed Stallin Tullod, Cisco Quant, Maurice de L’Isle, Nigel Nedd, Rey Rasmijn, Junior Croes, Hunt Riley, Axl Ismael, Benno Oldenhof & Orlando Rasmijn as the top ten players.

The Stableford standing for the 5th and last round in the Heritage Cup series listed Maurice De L’Isle, Axl Ismael, Stallin Tullod, Ricky Quant, Henk Steenbergen, Hunt Riley, Patrick Haime, Ravee Boolchand, Patrick Boset, & Shine Helmen as the top players for that day. George Wong won the longest drive on hole #6 and Hunt Riley was closest to the pin on hole #13.

Tierra del Sol is proud to have teamed up with Boolchand’s and BOSE in order to make this event a success and is already working on next year’s expanded event format perhaps with additional sponsors.



Author:Rona CosterTime:Thursday, August 20th, 2009 at 1:46 pm



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:18:27 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

STAY ON THE SIDEWALK KTF

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::
Good night Ktf and all Good Monkeys...keep in on the sidewalk keepthefaith...it is safer there...

All of you good Monkeys astound me every day with the way you keep it together for Natalee....
That is why we are here.....

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:22:45 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

No....I made a post at 7:49pm in Oil & Gas and he didn't post until 10:11pm....there was more activity here, so that thread was not on top.   Maybe he was googling his dad?   I really don't have any idea.  He will have to come back and answer our questions since that is what appeared to be his intent.   

Goodnight...  I'm a lightweight anymore....can't hang with the night crew.   See you later.         ::MonkeyWink::
I'm slower than dirt...who is he?

I think he is claiming to be the son of the Victor Helmen that jen3560 posted about earlier in this thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

http://www.myspace.com/helvicmen

but who knows who it really is...   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:30:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)




Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:33:37 AM

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 02:33:50 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 02:34:54 AM
lol...We must have been posting at the same time....too cool!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:39:40 AM
lol...We must have been posting at the same time....too cool!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 02:46:11 AM
This is the English version of the article I think jen3560 referenced today.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62500.php

Chamber-questions about money-laundering practices on Aruba

15 Sep, 2009, 08:33 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-aruba-nel-bij-remkes-_ar_001.gif)

Minister Johan Remkes (left) together with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber during an encounter in 2005.

ORANJESTAD/THE HAGUE — In connection with the draft-report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) about the money-laundering and financing of terrorism on Aruba, parliamentarian Johan Remkes (VVD) requested clarification through Chamber-questioning yesterday.

Remkes wants to know from State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Internal Affairs and Kingdom Relations (CDA), and Minister of Finance Wouter Bos (PvdA) which measures they are planning to take to adjust the bad reputation of the Kingdom regarding this issue.

In addition, Remkes demands an explanation on the status of affairs regarding the assignment for the investigation on corruption and integrity of the government on Aruba. In this framework, the Lower Chamber-member also wonders what the administrators’ opinion is on the ‘described disastrous’ image of the situation regarding the Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Combating the Financing of Terrorism (CFT) on Aruba.

On June 22nd, Rudy Lampe (RED) forwarded an open letter to the State Secretary, in which he expressed his concern that Aruba is not complying with the regulations for combating laundering of the FATF, whereby Aruba could probably end up on the organization’s black list. In the Land Regulation, which was dealt with in the States of Aruba on June 22nd, the establishment of a supervisory organ for casinos – a so-called gaming control board was discussed. The Advisory Council had supposedly advised against such an establishment. “In spite of this advice, the government still presented this draft to the States. In view of the dictatorship of eleven in the States, which the government cannot control, this matter will seriously damage the international standing of the Kingdom of the Netherlands”, said Lampe, where he refers to Dutch Chairmanship of the FATF per July 1st. “If the establishment of aforementioned institute is materialized, and falls in the hands of friends and family of the current government, e.g. a former minister who was recently convicted of violating the Governments Accounts Act, the damage for the Netherlands will be even worse”, Lampe wrote in his open letter of June 22nd.

As per July 1st, the Netherlands is the Chairman of the FATF for the period of one year. The FATF is an intergovernmental taskforce in which worldwide agreements are made on the combating of laundering of criminal monies and terrorism financing. These agreements have been laid down in a standard, which the countries are considered to comply with. The FATF controls that compliance by subjecting these countries to regular examinations. In case countries do not comply with the agreements, the taskforce could call them to order, and if necessary, the FATF could take measures to guarantee the integrity of the financial sector.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 17, 2009, 08:24:36 AM
TxMom - you posted an article on money laundering and corruption that has had me thinking all day.

It's now common knowledge, and publicly discussed, that Aruba's government is corrupt.

There's no denying that, and even officials from the Netherlands are now (finally) looking into it.

That makes me wonder then - what is happening with an investigation into the corrupt officials who handled Natalee's case?

That latest article refers to a concern about the image of the Dutch and the Kingdom.

Do they not realize that the biggest publicized crime in Aruba's history gives them a bigger black eye than money laundering, posturing about the new judicial bench, etc etc ever will?

I've wondered the same, Jen.  Maybe I've missed something in the papers, or maybe the subject is taboo until after the election.  But I've been looking...believe me I have.


Trust me - I believe you!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 17, 2009, 08:27:50 AM
Oooop!   ::MonkeyEek:: Almost forgot!

I think it's time Jen got wet, don't you guys?    ::MonkeyTongue::

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 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Thanks CBB!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 17, 2009, 08:29:26 AM
We have a new poster in the oil and gas thread!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
Who IS his father??

Just a guess...but a good one I think.  May not be who he says he is...but I think this is who he wants us to believe his father is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.msg928663

jen3560

Quote
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.





Jen3560's original post was made in this thread (NCD)....TM quoted it when the visitor arrived...BUT, he arrived and posted in the Oil & Gas Info thread....why?   Inquiring minds...mmmmmm

I know you are all past this somewhat but I'm still mulling it over a bit. 

In my mind he posted in the Oil & Gas Thread because it was the one on top and he didn't notice.
I have done that myself a couple of times.  My question is how did he find us.....just google?

Yes.  He just did a search of his father's name - and it brought him here.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 17, 2009, 08:31:46 AM
Well isn't that sweet?  Guess I'd better get to the other thread and start posing some questions to our new member who appears eager to answer them.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/1330/manageArticle.html


Boolchand’s & Tierra del Sol announce Heritage Cup Results
Rona Coster
Aruba’s first golf series concluded last Saturday as the last of the 5 week series of events for the 2009 Tierra del Sol Heritage Cup presented by Boolchand’s, came to a festive end.

Head Pro Oliver Riding and Ravee Boolchand had the distinct honor of awarding prizes to the winners at an informal award ceremony hosted by Amadeus Bar & Restaurant in Tanki Leendert.

The final results of the Tierra del Sol Heritage Cup listed Stallin Tullod, Cisco Quant, Maurice de L’Isle, Nigel Nedd, Rey Rasmijn, Junior Croes, Hunt Riley, Axl Ismael, Benno Oldenhof & Orlando Rasmijn as the top ten players.

The Stableford standing for the 5th and last round in the Heritage Cup series listed Maurice De L’Isle, Axl Ismael, Stallin Tullod, Ricky Quant, Henk Steenbergen, Hunt Riley, Patrick Haime, Ravee Boolchand, Patrick Boset, & Shine Helmen as the top players for that day. George Wong won the longest drive on hole #6 and Hunt Riley was closest to the pin on hole #13.

Tierra del Sol is proud to have teamed up with Boolchand’s and BOSE in order to make this event a success and is already working on next year’s expanded event format perhaps with additional sponsors.



Author:Rona CosterTime:Thursday, August 20th, 2009 at 1:46 pm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 11:10:02 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 02:31:26 PM
SINCE WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM KERMIT IN AWHILE I'VE BEEN ON THE HUNT!I BELIEVE KERMIT HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO,FIRST AND FORMOST TO MISS PIGGY.THEN KERMIT CAN EXPLAIN WHERE KERMIT HAS BEEN TO THE MONKEY BUNCH...................................

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE BRING OVER THE PHOTO EVIDENCE... ::MonkeyFootball::

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/news/090928/kermit.jpg)
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20305124,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 02:53:12 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 02:53:26 PM
THANK YOU 2NJ........ ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 02:56:53 PM
SINCE WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM KERMIT IN AWHILE I'VE BEEN ON THE HUNT!I BELIEVE KERMIT HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO,FIRST AND FORMOST TO MISS PIGGY.THEN KERMIT CAN EXPLAIN WHERE KERMIT HAS BEEN TO THE MONKEY BUNCH...................................

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE BRING OVER THE PHOTO EVIDENCE... ::MonkeyFootball::

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/news/090928/kermit.jpg)
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20305124,00.html

Kermit the Frog:"I'm Not Dating Lady Gaga"

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 02:57:53 PM
THANK YOU 2NJ........ ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome.  No doubt Kermit has a busy schedule.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 17, 2009, 02:59:29 PM
THANK YOU 2NJ........ ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome.  No doubt Kermit has a busy schedule.   ::MonkeyWink::


As a wise Frog once said.."It ain't easy being green"  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 17, 2009, 04:36:03 PM



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 17, 2009, 04:37:17 PM
THANK YOU 2NJ........ ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome.  No doubt Kermit has a busy schedule.   ::MonkeyWink::


As a wise Frog once said.."It ain't easy being green"  ::MonkeyBike::


That Frog kisses all the ladies......Miss Piggy need not worry! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 17, 2009, 04:39:16 PM
Sort of an interesting site.  Gas in Aruba is now fl. 1.94=US $4.19.

Gasoline up again, this year 37%
Topic: Energy
I think that by now we are used to this news. Gasoline rose again this month. After having a continues rise in gas prices, it finally dropped in August, just to go back up this month. Gasoline price rose with almost 5% in comparison to last month. For more detail visit arubalife.net/gasoline.

September 9th, 2009 Read more » gasoline
Care to comment?


Link in article


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 17, 2009, 04:41:36 PM
Sort of an interesting site.  Gas in Aruba is now fl. 1.94=US $4.19.

Gasoline up again, this year 37%
Topic: Energy
I think that by now we are used to this news. Gasoline rose again this month. After having a continues rise in gas prices, it finally dropped in August, just to go back up this month. Gasoline price rose with almost 5% in comparison to last month. For more detail visit arubalife.net/gasoline.

September 9th, 2009 Read more » gasoline
Care to comment?


Link in article





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 17, 2009, 04:43:46 PM
Don't know why it posted twice, sorry. The link didn't highlight either.

http://www.arubalife.net/gasoline/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 04:46:33 PM
Don't know why it posted twice, sorry. The link didn't highlight either.

http://www.arubalife.net/gasoline/

Thanks, SuzieQ....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62599.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Aruban arrested at German airport

September 17, 2009, 15:36 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DUSSELDORF - A 48-year-old woman Aruban origin yesterday at Düsseldorf airport by the German authorities arrested. She had 1.3 pounds of cocaine with him. The woman was en route to the island of Malta in the Mediterranean Sea.

This is reported in the Maltese media. The woman behaved suspiciously and was extended searched. These customs officers discovered white powder in capsules in which the woman had hidden her money belt. The woman had more than 600 grams of cocaine hidden. The handbag of the woman was then subjected to a thorough inspection. It found another 680 grams of the customs of the narcotic. The woman was arrested and the German authorities, the case study.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 05:47:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62605.php

Google translation:

Employees Astec lay flat ports

September 17, 2009, 15:40 (GMT -04:00)

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Cars of employees Astec block access of the port of Oranjestad. On the blackboard is written "Arubans can lead port. There is no need for Spaniards ", referring to the Spanish companies that allegedly harbor in Barcadera would take over.

ORANGE CITY - The stevedoring company Astec dock workers are on strike. Today they have the ports of Oranjestad and Barcadera, and their offices, laid flat.

According to Dave Franks, chairman of the trade Union portuário di Aruba (UPA), they are still waiting for written confirmation of Tourism and Transport Minister Edison Briesen about their conditions. "We had received a verbal promise that our current conditions remain unchanged. But we have a written confirmation yet. We had the Minister yesterday given this ensure compliance, but there is no response to data. And so we proceeded to action, "said Franken, just before a meeting which would be decided whether the action be continued or not.
Last week laid the employees of all Astec few hours work to ignore, because they want written assurances from the Government that their wages, job, individual and collective employment are maintained, whatever the outcome of the award process for container stevedoring in the port of Barcadera.

Ordinance
Astec last month after the arbitration case concerning the termination of the contract award at the Aruba Ports Authority (APA) lost, gave Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) of Tourism and Transport oral commitment to UPA concerned that workers would not lose their jobs. The union, however, these guarantees require an Ordinance. After the arbitration case showed the Minister Briesen Astec employees know that if the contract is terminated by the stevedoring company, APA is required to ensure that the new concessionaire takes over and employees of Astec any termination benefits for employees who do not go yet, to take on.

Briesen had against the press that "Director of Clean down" Astec all jobs would be guaranteed by APA. He also worked on the "shame" now find that their employer Astec arbitration case against Aruba Ports Authority had lost the political opponents of the government members of the UPA government against the wish token.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 05:56:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62603.php

Google translation:


ARUBA


Employees require severance Star Aruba


September 17, 2009, 15:38 (GMT -04:00)


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ORANGE CITY - Employees of the Star Aruba refinery maintenance company were yesterday to the office of the company Savaneta gone to redress their severance. The contract workers, on September 11 on their last day of the Valero refinery had, immediately get a check for 65 percent of their compensation, with the promise that in October the remaining 35 percent follow. Before October 18, all employees of Star Aruba paid. The organization is a subsidiary of U.S. company Starcon. The parent company had $ 400,000 transferred to Star Aruba with the aim of paying off workers. However, the amount required was $ 700,000. The contract workers from Valero morning threatened to close if there are no rules.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 06:00:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62601.php

Google translation:


ARUBA


The Meza wins libel case against Solo


September 17, 2009, 15:37 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Morning Newspaper Solo di Pueblo to unsubstantiated accusations of the MP Mike Meza (AVP) correct.

This Court decided yesterday by the parliament after Solo was dragged to court for libel. The pro-government newspaper published on August 4 and August 11th articles of Edmond Croes, owner of this newspaper, which suggests that De Meza would have accepted bribes. Because Croes could not substantiate his allegations, the court decided that the damage to the reputation of De Meza in this case outweighs the right to freedom of expression. Solo di Pueblo must place a correction within two days, failing which a penalty of 1000 florin per day to a maximum of 50,000 florin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 09:49:38 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 17, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::

It is very Quiverry.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Is that a word?

I love the mask on the pumpkin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 17, 2009, 09:58:39 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::
Hi 2NJ...Your avi is great...no motion sickness here.....lol  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I love it!  No motion sickness here either!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 17, 2009, 10:43:18 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 17, 2009, 10:55:04 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 11:02:02 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 11:03:08 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   Well, I wondered about the color but I think it's a CANDLE....and that's my story.     ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:09:06 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::
Hi 2NJ...Your avi is great...no motion sickness here.....lol  ::MonkeySlide::
Hotping.....
That's scareeeees me... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:10:37 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?
This is soooooo wrong.....but it looks loke a smaller bilbo...... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
Good evening Good Monkeys....... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 17, 2009, 11:13:09 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?
This is soooooo wrong.....but it looks loke a smaller bilbo...... ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 11:18:34 PM
Good evening Good Monkeys....... ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:21:57 PM
Good evening Good Monkeys....... ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDebonaire::
Hello Texasmom...we are all one day closer to Justice for Natalee......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 11:25:30 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?
This is soooooo wrong.....but it looks loke a smaller bilbo...... ::MonkeyDevil::

Hey, billb...guess you are an expert at calculating some things.... 

Nice to see you here before I sign off....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:27:51 PM
Hi,

Is my new avi giving anyone motion sickness?   Just wondering....   

 ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I'll be back. 

 ::MonkeyBike::


No, but I have to ask. What is the pink thing?
This is soooooo wrong.....but it looks loke a smaller bilbo...... ::MonkeyDevil::

Hey, billb...guess you are an expert at calculating some things.... 

Nice to see you here before I sign off....
Nice to see you here too 2NJSons_Mom...
By the way....I love you avi....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 11:32:00 PM
Good evening Good Monkeys....... ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyDebonaire::
Hello Texasmom...we are all one day closer to Justice for Natalee......

Yes we are billb!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:33:04 PM
In case they are reading and would like to stop by and add any thoughts they might have.....I'd like them to know I'd love for them to drop by more often.....Rob, Robots, private eye......
Encouragement is always inspiring....and appreciated.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 11:38:02 PM
In case they are reading and would like to stop by and add any thoughts they might have.....I'd like them to know I'd love for them to drop by more often.....Rob, Robots, private eye......
Encouragement is always inspiring....and appreciated.....

Yes, I agree and would like them to stop by and post.  They are missed.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 11:40:05 PM
Ummmm....had a wardrobe change....that pink thing was causing a stir....

It wasn't a candle...was supposed to be my ironing board...   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 11:41:58 PM
In case they are reading and would like to stop by and add any thoughts they might have.....I'd like them to know I'd love for them to drop by more often.....Rob, Robots, private eye......
Encouragement is always inspiring....and appreciated.....

Yes, I agree and would like them to stop by and post.  They are missed.



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 17, 2009, 11:43:09 PM
Ummmm....had a wardrobe change....that pink thing was causing a stir....

It wasn't a candle...was supposed to be my ironing board...   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Likely story...  ::MonkeyTongue::

Just kidding!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 17, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
In case they are reading and would like to stop by and add any thoughts they might have.....I'd like them to know I'd love for them to drop by more often.....Rob, Robots, private eye......
Encouragement is always inspiring....and appreciated.....

Yes, I agree and would like them to stop by and post.  They are missed.


2NJSons_Mom...
You got it... ::MonkeyCheer3::
That's the bilbo I was thinking the pink thing should be..... ::MonkeyDevil2::
And you have got to know...I mean that in a good way with the utmost respect for all you do for Scared Monkeys and justice for Natalee....
my dry humor throws people off sometimes......but it is always meant to convey respect....
otherwise, I wouldn't grace anyone with my humor... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 17, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
In case they are reading and would like to stop by and add any thoughts they might have.....I'd like them to know I'd love for them to drop by more often.....Rob, Robots, private eye......
Encouragement is always inspiring....and appreciated.....

Yes, I agree and would like them to stop by and post.  They are missed.


2NJSons_Mom...
You got it... ::MonkeyCheer3::
That's the bilbo I was thinking the pink thing should be..... ::MonkeyDevil2::
And you have got to know...I mean that in a good way with the utmost respect for all you do for Scared Monkeys and justice for Natalee....
my dry humor throws people off sometimes......but it is always meant to convey respect....
otherwise, I wouldn't grace anyone with my humor... ::MonkeyAngel::


Love the humor, billb....I think those mentioned are reading and have said and will say what's on their mind when the time comes. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 17, 2009, 11:58:30 PM
Hey to all the nightcrew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!       ::MonkeyDance:: Anything new going on with justice for Natalee???
Have to ask, How's the flooding for Hotping, Texasmom & Wreck? Is it getting better?  Weekends almost here.    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 12:03:15 AM
In case they are reading and would like to stop by and add any thoughts they might have.....I'd like them to know I'd love for them to drop by more often.....Rob, Robots, private eye......
Encouragement is always inspiring....and appreciated.....

Yes, I agree and would like them to stop by and post.  They are missed.


2NJSons_Mom...
You got it... ::MonkeyCheer3::
That's the bilbo I was thinking the pink thing should be..... ::MonkeyDevil2::
And you have got to know...I mean that in a good way with the utmost respect for all you do for Scared Monkeys and justice for Natalee....
my dry humor throws people off sometimes......but it is always meant to convey respect....
otherwise, I wouldn't grace anyone with my humor... ::MonkeyAngel::


Love the humor, billb....I think those mentioned are reading and have said and will say what's on their mind when the time comes. 
I know 2NJSons_Mom.... ::MonkeyWink::
My mantra...
Tick...be patient....Tock......be patient.....Tick.......be patient.....Tock.....
Justice for Natalee is coming......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 12:03:24 AM
Hi, cajun miracle.....can't speak for those in the south, but we've had our share rain up here.....all summer, imo.

Nothing much new, except the news that texasmom posts every day...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 18, 2009, 12:07:03 AM
Hi, cajun miracle.....can't speak for those in the south, but we've had our share rain up here.....all summer, imo.

Nothing much new, except the news that texasmom posts every day...

Thanks 2NJ. I try to keep up each day and she does a great job.

Billb, Your humor is just fine. Keep it up.  Tick, Tock!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 12:09:31 AM
Hey to all the nightcrew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!       ::MonkeyDance:: Anything new going on with justice for Natalee???
Have to ask, How's the flooding for Hotping, Texasmom & Wreck? Is it getting better?  Weekends almost here.    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

It's still raining!  Off and on all day today...even with the sun shining!   ::MonkeyRain::

No serious flooding in my area, thank goodness.

I haven't found any news so far in Natalee's case.  Not much new or interesting at all really.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 12:11:03 AM
Hi, cajun miracle.....can't speak for those in the south, but we've had our share rain up here.....all summer, imo.

Nothing much new, except the news that texasmom posts every day...

Thanks 2NJ. I try to keep up each day and she does a great job.

Billb, Your humor is just fine. Keep it up.  Tick, Tock!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 18, 2009, 12:12:07 AM
Hey to all the nightcrew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!       ::MonkeyDance:: Anything new going on with justice for Natalee???
Have to ask, How's the flooding for Hotping, Texasmom & Wreck? Is it getting better?  Weekends almost here.    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

It's still raining!  Off and on all day today...even with the sun shining!   ::MonkeyRain::

No serious flooding in my area, thank goodness.

I haven't found any news so far in Natalee's case.  Not much new or interesting at all really.




Sure wish someone would give us some new info. Gee, it's been forever!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 18, 2009, 12:13:34 AM
Texasmom, Forgot to say that I'm glad that you're safe from the flooding. Hope it stops soon for you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 12:16:29 AM
Texasmom, Forgot to say that I'm glad that you're safe from the flooding. Hope it stops soon for you.

Thanks cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 12:17:27 AM
Hey to all the nightcrew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!       ::MonkeyDance:: Anything new going on with justice for Natalee???
Have to ask, How's the flooding for Hotping, Texasmom & Wreck? Is it getting better?  Weekends almost here.    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

It's still raining!  Off and on all day today...even with the sun shining!   ::MonkeyRain::

No serious flooding in my area, thank goodness.

I haven't found any news so far in Natalee's case.  Not much new or interesting at all really.




Sure wish someone would give us some new info. Gee, it's been forever!

We look, wait and listen daily for new info.  That's why we're here.  Hopefully, it will come. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 12:23:08 AM
G'nite, all.  See you, later.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 12:35:45 AM
G'nite, all.  See you, later.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 18, 2009, 12:35:55 AM
Goodnite all my favorite Monkeys!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 12:39:43 AM
Goodnite all my favorite Monkeys!!!!!!!!!

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 01:02:34 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 01:08:40 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....

Thanks for being you billb, it's always a pleasure!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 01:15:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 01:23:36 AM
I rode my trike  ::MonkeyBike::  down the hall,past Billb & Wrecks room,around the nurses station without getting caught and slipped into the computer lab for some NightCrew postin.................The nurses must've been tuckin in Mere cause i didn't see her by the station keepin em busy else i woulda been BUSTED.. ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 01:25:19 AM
I rode my trike  ::MonkeyBike::  down the hall,past Billb & Wrecks room,around the nurses station without getting caught and slipped into the computer lab for some NightCrew postin.................The nurses must've been tuckin in Mere cause i didn't see her by the station keepin em busy else i woulda been BUSTED.. ::MonkeySlide::

And guess who skated  ::MonkeySkate:: down them icy halls and is in the computer Lab talkin papiemento to the monitor TeexxxaaasssssMoommmm.... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 01:30:47 AM
Helvicmen must have not been to concerned with answering any questions..Ya think TM?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 01:38:55 AM
I rode my trike  ::MonkeyBike::  down the hall,past Billb & Wrecks room,around the nurses station without getting caught and slipped into the computer lab for some NightCrew postin.................The nurses must've been tuckin in Mere cause i didn't see her by the station keepin em busy else i woulda been BUSTED.. ::MonkeySlide::

And guess who skated  ::MonkeySkate:: down them icy halls and is in the computer Lab talkin papiemento to the monitor TeexxxaaasssssMoommmm.... ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySkate::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 01:41:12 AM
Helvicmen must have not been to concerned with answering any questions..Ya think TM?

Yes...interesting.... when the questions are put out there....notta...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 01:43:13 AM
I rode my trike  ::MonkeyBike::  down the hall,past Billb & Wrecks room,around the nurses station without getting caught and slipped into the computer lab for some NightCrew postin.................The nurses must've been tuckin in Mere cause i didn't see her by the station keepin em busy else i woulda been BUSTED.. ::MonkeySlide::

And guess who skated  ::MonkeySkate:: down them icy halls and is in the computer Lab talkin papiemento to the monitor TeexxxaaasssssMoommmm.... ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySkate::



Heyy.O/T Check out the sports thread for information on the High School football game,in Seattle ,that will be televised Nationally on ESPNU...

What happened to The Helvicmen??? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 01:54:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE WILL BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 02:12:56 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom and 3 Guests

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 02:22:41 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom and 3 Guests

KEEPTHEFAITH

Good night and God bless you too, KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 18, 2009, 03:05:14 AM
Hi TM....Have You checked Your mail lately?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 03:07:10 AM
Hi TM....Have You checked Your mail lately?  ::MonkeyWink::

No, but I will now!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 18, 2009, 03:12:16 AM
Hi TM....Have You checked Your mail lately?  ::MonkeyWink::

No, but I will now!   ::MonkeyWink::
OK....  ::MonkeyCool::..I'm about to call it a night but I will ck My mail to see if You reply tonight! Later Gator!  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 03:28:19 AM
Hi TM....Have You checked Your mail lately?  ::MonkeyWink::

No, but I will now!   ::MonkeyWink::
OK....  ::MonkeyCool::..I'm about to call it a night but I will ck My mail to see if You reply tonight! Later Gator!  ::MonkeyBike::

After while crocodile!  ::MonkeyAngel::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 18, 2009, 03:30:50 AM
Hi TM....Have You checked Your mail lately?  ::MonkeyWink::

No, but I will now!   ::MonkeyWink::
OK....  ::MonkeyCool::..I'm about to call it a night but I will ck My mail to see if You reply tonight! Later Gator!  ::MonkeyBike::

After while crocodile!  ::MonkeyAngel::

 
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good Night!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 03:36:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE WILL BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S

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(HT bearlyhere aka "sis") 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
I was trying to remember Robots's websites....was this one of them?      ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://arubasucks.info/Home_Page.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 05:26:30 PM
I was trying to remember Robots's websites....was this one of them?      ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://arubasucks.info/Home_Page.html


I think it may be..... ::MonkeyCheer2::

Robots is COOL!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62638.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

First arrests fraud Valero

September 18, 2009, 14:35 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - The first arrests in the big fraud cases have been around Valero. The two men with the initials I.F.B. and G.S.K. One of them worked at least as contractor in the refinery. After an internal investigation has finally filed a complaint and the investigation has now made the arrests. The Public Prosecutor (OM) would not confirm who or where the declaration is made. The official charged mentation will not release the OM. During the internal investigation was already resigned from the refinery. This investigation soon revealed that among other false invoices were prepared with data from existing businesses. They both Aruban and American companies. Auditors of the headquarters of the American oil company have been busy checking accounts, so Amigoe also has personal experience. Through the mail received this newspaper and asked to respond to a payment of almost $ 6000 to Amigoe this year that Valero would have done. Reportedly involves a total of over five million florin that has been misappropriated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 05:53:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62635.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

OM talks to Edmond Croes

September 18, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/18-aruba-edmond-croes-_ar_.gif)

Edmond Croes (MEP left with cap) in Santa Cruz during the big parade AVP few weeks ago.

ORANGE CITY - Following a call from Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) is Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos yesterday met with Edmon Croes, MEP fervent supporter and owner of Solo di Pueblo morning newspaper and radio station Top FM. Reportedly, during this conversation Croes cautioned about bringing out inflammatory statements in connection with the elections.

It says at least Awe mainta morning paper today. The Public Prosecutor (OM) refused any comment on the case and would give even confirm or deny that a conversation took place with Croes. The Edmond Croes whether his statements will be prosecuted, the OM did not answer. Croes morning was also not available for comment.

Earlier this week, The CBB in the news by asking the prime minister and prosecutor to deal with the "inflammatory statements" by Croes. The committee wants the public prosecutor considers whether the statements of Croes, last Monday in Solo di Pueblo punishable. He wrote inter alia, that the Public 'should not commit the mistake to try the voice of the people to silence "and that the clearly anti-police and anti-MEP Nel is. He also warned of the danger to anyone especially to hold in relation to political campaigns, or they would "be responsible for the uprising of the people".

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 05:54:53 PM


I thought Hans Mos had already left for his new job.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 05:57:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62633.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Fingerprints required passport

September 18, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - All Dutch passports and identity cards issued to Aruba from September 21 will have a fingerprint of the owner. Today could also help in the last Censo (Registry) a new passport will be requested. That is now in the Office of the Governor.

The purpose of introducing fingerprint to abuse of travel documents to go as much as possible. In the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles since September 21 is the fingerprint rule. From that moment, the inclusion of fingerprints in a passport or identity card required. This will change little in the normal course of business, except that now at the desk for four fingerprints of the person sought. It is preferred that both the left and right, print out the index finger and a thumb print of the proposed. If the applicant is a wound on one of the index fingers, then this is no problem. There is a print example of the middle set. The only finger that is not authorized, the pink.

By taking the fingerprints uses a small square device, the digital processing and adds to the personal data. Thereafter, all data, as usual, forwarded to the Netherlands, where the travel is personalized. Eventually two of the four fingerprints in the chip of the passport or identity card to stand. This chip has been around since August 2006, in which biometric data are processed. Thus, since 2006 all the facial scan of the passport holder therein.

Children under twelve years, no fingerprints on the passport or identity card included. Another exception to the mandatory fingerprint rule is if it is physically impossible for the fingerprints of an applicant to take. In that event, the person without a travel document containing the fingerprints are recorded. And if someone is temporarily unable to fingerprint inclusion, there are two possibilities: the person gets a travel document for twelve months or wait until it is possible to take the fingerprints.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 05:58:22 PM


I thought Hans Mos had already left for his new job.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I was going to ask a while back if he was gone....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62630.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

False case against agent resistance

September 18, 2009, 14:27 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The case against policeman Josefina, in late 2007 and early 2008 and two assaults committed person and his family had been threatened with death, until further notice resistance. Josefina is not able to come up with a lawyer. In the courtroom yesterday were the victims of Josefina present. Nevertheless, the official requirement for reading. On December 30, 2007 Josefina intentionally hit on someone's back with his service club. On January 24, 2008 Josefina hit someone in his eye. The same day he threatened someone with that he would kill his partner and child. "Tonight I lose my job and there are dead. Father and son, "said Josefina.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 06:35:57 PM
http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/september/sept18/preguntanan.pdf

Google translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/september/sept18/brinkman.jpg)

Lower House of General 2
2008-2009 Annual Meeting Questions asked by members of the Chamber
0809

tkkvl2009Z16569 Sdu

2009Z16569
Questions from the member Brinkman (PVV)
the State of Interior and Kingdom Relations about the «Aliens Admission Policy»
the country of Aruba.

(Submitted September 16, 2009)


1.  Have you taken note of the article on "Admission Policy Foreigners' land of Aruba? 

2.  Is it true that the admission policy that is a European Dutchman maximum of 180 days consecutive per calendar year may Aruba stay?

Is it true that then that rule was always in a European calendar Dutchman up in 180 days Aruba was staying, then 30 days elsewhere, then this European Dutchman again maximum of 180 days consecutive could stay in Aruba? Is it where the Aruban immigration, as the article states, now assumes that the European Dutchman but up to 180 total days per calendar year Aruba can stay?

How just found this policy change?

Are you ready now something against it?

3.  Are you aware that people who criticize this, retaliation expect, as stated in
the article? If so, what have you this being done?

Has the Dutch representative you informed of this problem and if so, what is his view
this?

4.   Do you share the view that the unthinkable that a country like Aruba, in its entire existence geschooierd money from Netherlands, Then the Dutch as
European heavy Dutch discriminate?

5.   Do you agree that, if Aruba This policy change for European Dutch to maintain
Netherlands under reprociteit The law has also Arubans maximum 180 days per calendar year admit?

If not, why should Aruba, or do in Europe Dutch and we are not with them?


1 Amigoe Times, September 10, 2009.
Lower House of General 2
2008-2009 Annual Meeting Questions asked by members of the Chamber
0809tkkvl2009Z16569
Sdu Uitgevers
's-Gravenhage 2009 Second Chamber, 2008-2009, Questions


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 07:01:02 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

It's all about Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 07:34:47 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

It's all about Natalee....

& JUSTICE BEING SERVED FOR HER

PAULUS,PERPS,PERSITENCE,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS & AMERICAN TRAITORS

YOU THINK YOU KNOW,YOU HAVE NO IDEA

WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO HER

TICK_TOCK

SUCKS TO BE YOU!JUST SAYIN....




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 07:45:18 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

It's all about Natalee....

& JUSTICE BEING SERVED FOR HER

PAULUS,PERPS,PERSITENCE,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS & AMERICAN TRAITORS

YOU THINK YOU KNOW,YOU HAVE NO IDEA

WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO HER

TICK_TOCK

SUCKS TO BE YOU! JUST SAYIN....


::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice::
It's coming......
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 18, 2009, 08:28:47 PM
O/T..Sports thread Wreck!7:00pm tonight ESPNU...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 18, 2009, 09:42:29 PM
Dropping by to congratulate TxMom on becoming a Monkey All Star.  There has been so much work and effort on your part compiling all those posts and we do appreciate it, including those wonderful pics of Natalee you give us each night.  Thank you so much. 

Now back to the rafters .......

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 09:51:27 PM
Dropping by to congratulate TxMom on becoming a Monkey All Star.  There has been so much work and effort on your part compiling all those posts and we do appreciate it, including those wonderful pics of Natalee you give us each night.  Thank you so much. 

Now back to the rafters .......

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Thank you Tibro!    ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 18, 2009, 10:06:37 PM
Dropping by to congratulate TxMom on becoming a Monkey All Star.  There has been so much work and effort on your part compiling all those posts and we do appreciate it, including those wonderful pics of Natalee you give us each night.  Thank you so much. 

Now back to the rafters .......

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Don't stay too long in the rafters....we want you here, Tibro....        ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 10:30:27 PM
Dropping by to congratulate TxMom on becoming a Monkey All Star.  There has been so much work and effort on your part compiling all those posts and we do appreciate it, including those wonderful pics of Natalee you give us each night.  Thank you so much. 

Now back to the rafters .......

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Don't stay too long in the rafters....we want you here, Tibro....        ::MonkeyWaa::

I agree, we miss you Tibro...and so many others! (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6836.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:13:29 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

It's all about Natalee....

& JUSTICE BEING SERVED FOR HER

PAULUS,PERPS,PERSITENCE,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS & AMERICAN TRAITORS

YOU THINK YOU KNOW,YOU HAVE NO IDEA

WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO HER

TICK_TOCK

SUCKS TO BE YOU!JUST SAYIN....



Tick - Patience - Tock.....
Right on KTF....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:15:12 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)

It's all about Natalee....

& JUSTICE BEING SERVED FOR HER

PAULUS,PERPS,PERSITENCE,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS & AMERICAN TRAITORS

YOU THINK YOU KNOW,YOU HAVE NO IDEA

WE HAVE NOT,NOR WILL NOT,FORGET WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO HER

TICK_TOCK

SUCKS TO BE YOU! JUST SAYIN....


::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice::
It's coming......
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Texasmom...
You got it!
We will be here when it comes!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:20:39 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 18, 2009, 11:25:58 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....
Thanks billb! We are all still here and vigilant!  ::MonkeyCool::

Throwing out the call to our old friends --- PrivateEye, Robots, Rob.....check-in once in awhile!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:27:41 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....
Thanks billb! We are all still here and vigilant!  ::MonkeyCool::

Throwing out the call to our old friends --- PrivateEye, Robots, Rob.....check-in once in awhile!  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 18, 2009, 11:28:05 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 18, 2009, 11:39:11 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:45:46 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...
Wreck...it is your fault... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::
I just finished watching Fox when you mention politics.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 18, 2009, 11:49:43 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...
Wreck...it is your fault... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::
I just finished watching Fox when you mention politics.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
I hear ya' Bro!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 18, 2009, 11:57:06 PM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...
Wreck...it is your fault... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::
I just finished watching Fox when you mention politics.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
I hear ya' Bro!
Self correct...I meant AG (attorney General).....sometimes in the evening, I develop a lisps....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:04:17 AM
San, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, texasmom and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.
Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.

I'm not into politics much as you all know.  But I don't have a lot of hope of things changing much in Aruba regardless of what happens in the election.  Just from my observations it seems that the AVP (Mike Eman) group will be the toughest competition for the MEP (Nelson Oduber) group.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:05:13 AM
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Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...
Wreck...it is your fault... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::
I just finished watching Fox when you mention politics.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
I hear ya' Bro!
Self correct...I meant AG (attorney General).....sometimes in the evening, I develop a lisps....
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:13:03 AM
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Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...


Man, DO I agree with you!!!!!   Ooooopppps, justice for Natalee!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:15:43 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:19:30 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 19, 2009, 12:28:38 AM
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Hello Good monkeys.....hope everything is well with your evening.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

It's Friday night...finally!  All is well.... ::MonkeySkate::

I hope you're having a good evening too!

I've been gathering the crime articles for the past week...can't help but wonder how many weren't published to make room for page after page of political ads, articles..etc.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Speaking of politics in Aruba, does anyone expect any real change if the current regime is ousted? Jossy is the chief protagonist of the current party in office -- what is he saying? Has ANYONE in Aruba even said ONE WORD since the pond fiasco??? Curious minds want to know.
Jossy's agenda has become clear...by his silence.
obama's agenda is also clear.....by his......(choice anything) continual campaigning, silence on AT and CIA probe...silence on acorn....czar appts.....
OK...I'm bad interjecting O/T......
I promise it won't happen again.....health care for all illegals...(Darn it - I did it again)...


Man, DO I agree with you!!!!!   Ooooopppps, justice for Natalee!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Cajun miracle...
Good to see you this evening...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:30:48 AM
Hi there Billb. I didn't stack this time. Doing great but wishing for a nice cool front and justice for Natalee. Aren't you in a cooler area?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:33:48 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:41:14 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::







Glad to hear that  it's no longer coming down in buckets. A cool front would push this away and feel great!

 Hey nitecrew!!!! I won't wait forever.  Justice IS coming!    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 19, 2009, 12:45:18 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::







Glad to hear that  it's no longer coming down in buckets. A cool front would push this away and feel great!

 Hey nitecrew!!!! I won't wait forever.  Justice IS coming!    ::MonkeyGavel::
Rain in Dallas for 8 straight days!! (I've never seen that!!) That includes 6 inches in about 3 days early on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 19, 2009, 12:46:13 AM
Hi there Billb. I didn't stack this time. Doing great but wishing for a nice cool front and justice for Natalee. Aren't you in a cooler area?
Oh....I wish I was...
East San Diego county.....had 10 of 12 days over 100 degs last heat wave (labor day) and now the forecast next week is for 7 - 10 days of heat wave....hoter and lower humidity than thw last heat wave....
Congrats on the no stacks cajun miracle......
I don't understand how anyone can continuing stacking, after stacking, after stacking......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::







Glad to hear that  it's no longer coming down in buckets. A cool front would push this away and feel great!

 Hey nitecrew!!!! I won't wait forever.  Justice IS coming!    ::MonkeyGavel::
Rain in Dallas for 8 straight days!! (I've never seen that!!) That includes 6 inches in about 3 days early on!

That's NOT a city that I would like to drive in with that much rain. I always get lost in Dallas anyway. LOL! That's a whole lot of rain Wreck. Are you swimming around?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:49:31 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::







Glad to hear that  it's no longer coming down in buckets. A cool front would push this away and feel great!

 Hey nitecrew!!!! I won't wait forever.  Justice IS coming!    ::MonkeyGavel::
Rain in Dallas for 8 straight days!! (I've never seen that!!) That includes 6 inches in about 3 days early on!

Maybe the cold front next week will push the rain on to another area!  Forecast for next week...a few mornings in the high 50's!  
brrrrr  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:50:56 AM
Hi there Billb. I didn't stack this time. Doing great but wishing for a nice cool front and justice for Natalee. Aren't you in a cooler area?
Oh....I wish I was...
East San Diego county.....had 10 of 12 days over 100 degs last heat wave (labor day) and now the forecast next week is for 7 - 10 days of heat wave....hoter and lower humidity than thw last heat wave....
Congrats on the no stacks cajun miracle......
I don't understand how anyone can continuing stacking, after stacking, after stacking......

Billb, that's a real hot area. My nephew was stationed there and slept through an earthquake. Cajuns are like that. Nothing bothers them. LOL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 19, 2009, 12:53:21 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::







Glad to hear that  it's no longer coming down in buckets. A cool front would push this away and feel great!

 Hey nitecrew!!!! I won't wait forever.  Justice IS coming!    ::MonkeyGavel::
Rain in Dallas for 8 straight days!! (I've never seen that!!) That includes 6 inches in about 3 days early on!

That's NOT a city that I would like to drive in with that much rain. I always get lost in Dallas anyway. LOL! That's a whole lot of rain Wreck. Are you swimming around?
Well, my once dead lawn looks like it did in late May! I'm going to have to raise my mower a notch or two! (Texasmom -- the forecast is for more rain Monday!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 12:53:54 AM
Texasmom, that's not fair having 50's in the mornings. We're not having much luck with any cool fronts.

Wonder what the weather is like in Ruba. They need a few major hurricanes. Oops, I didn't say that, really!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:54:31 AM

Hi GabbyG!    ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:57:36 AM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

Hi Texasmom. Hey, where's the nitecrew?????????? Did they all go to sleep early? Oh, and how's the rain, flooding?

KTF was here earlier, he's probably watching some  ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's still early yet...maybe some more will stop in.

We had rain off and on all day today too!  I think it's stuck over us.   ::MonkeyRain::

The forecast for tomorrow is scattered showers, so that probably means it will be the same as today.  I've wanted to sleep in every morning this week, waking up to the rain....tomorrow since I can sleep in...it will probably stop.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::







Glad to hear that  it's no longer coming down in buckets. A cool front would push this away and feel great!

 Hey nitecrew!!!! I won't wait forever.  Justice IS coming!    ::MonkeyGavel::
Rain in Dallas for 8 straight days!! (I've never seen that!!) That includes 6 inches in about 3 days early on!

That's NOT a city that I would like to drive in with that much rain. I always get lost in Dallas anyway. LOL! That's a whole lot of rain Wreck. Are you swimming around?
Well, my once dead lawn looks like it did in late May! I'm going to have to raise my mower a notch or two! (Texasmom -- the forecast is for more rain Monday!)

Yes wreck, I think we're in for rain early in the week too...but iirc Wed-Thurs mornings are supposed to be cool.  I don't have much lawn...but for what I have...at this point...I need a four wheel drive mower!  Lots of mud everywhere...uggghhh!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 01:09:21 AM
Texasmom & Wreck, has your mosquito population exploded?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 19, 2009, 01:15:08 AM
Texasmom & Wreck, has your mosquito population exploded?
No, not really -- there is not much stagnant water around me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 01:19:00 AM
Texasmom & Wreck, has your mosquito population exploded?

They were already horrible here..especially in the evenings.  I'm sure they will only be worse!
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 01:20:29 AM
Texasmom & Wreck, has your mosquito population exploded?
No, not really -- there is not much stagnant water around me.


I'll be kind and share a few millions with all of you. The rain has really made it bad now. Day or night they're biting. Ugh!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 19, 2009, 01:21:46 AM
Well, Calling it a goodnite to all you Monkeys. Have a great weekend.    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 01:25:39 AM
Well, Calling it a goodnite to all you Monkeys. Have a great weekend.    ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Hope you have a great weekend too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 01:44:58 AM
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m106/editm106.html

Can of worms

Aruba has opened a can of worms by sending back Dutch European visitors who have overstayed their welcome on the island. Dutch State Secretary for Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten has now predictably called for reciprocity within the Kingdom.

To be clear, such reciprocity never existed, mostly because of the difference in size between the Netherlands on the one hand and the Dutch Caribbean on the other. To protect their small labour markets the islands have always had admittance and expulsion regulations to restrict immigration by people from the European part of the Kingdom, while Dutch passport holders from the islands were always free to settle in the Netherlands.

There is in itself nothing wrong with this apparent discrepancy, because it is internationally accepted and part of the United Nations decolonisation guidelines that (former) so-called “mother countries” should in principle allow free access to citizens of their (ex-)colonies without necessarily demanding equal treatment in return, considering the advantage they historically enjoyed in the relationship.

Over the years the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have actually loosened their respective restrictions for Dutch Europeans when it comes to working and living on the islands. This was partly a result of court verdicts involving, for example, denying a Dutch citizen allowed to live somewhere in the Kingdom with his or her spouse the right to work there, but also done to attract Dutch retirees, the so-called “pensionados,” because of their contributions to the local economy.

The problem is that Aruba has now become stricter in enforcing still existing regulations there as a result of more accessible data on how long individuals have been on the island, with the result that Dutch Europeans who failed to register as anything else but visitors have been asked to leave after they have stayed longer than six months.

With the Dutch Government now considering a Kingdom People Movement Law that would make it possible to send Antilleans who jeopardise safety and security in the Netherlands back to the islands, Aruba’s change of tactics could not have come at a worse time. For years there have been efforts to restrict the influx of especially Antillean youngsters in the Netherlands because of the problems some of them have been causing in major Dutch cities, but these efforts have been blocked by the islands successfully so far.

Aruba making problems about a handful of European Dutchmen extending their visits perhaps a little more than officially allowed is only going to make resisting the current people movement law proposal that much more difficult. Rather than more restrictions, what the islands perhaps should consider is removing the ones that remain, because the notion that people from the Netherlands, where the wages and benefits are generally much better, would flock to the islands to take over all the jobs is exaggerated and the kind of inferior thinking that has become outdated at best.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 19, 2009, 01:47:02 AM
Football..Was a great game.Came down to the last drive,Skyline had the ball,Jake heaps(BYU) movin it down the field,Throws an interception to end the game.Ends his 30 game win streak as a starter!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 19, 2009, 01:49:26 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys...peace out>... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 19, 2009, 01:51:35 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys...peace out>... ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight Billb.Thanx for stoppin.Look for me at the UW/usc game!I'll be the guy wearing purple..... ::MonkeyFootball::  ::MonkeyLaugh::...Go Dawgs!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 19, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
One would think that with the economy being bad Aruba would be begging for the Dutch to stay.NOOOOOOOOOO.They're just a bunch of arrogant azzzzzholes..Everybody should leave Danger Island and see how they like having no ECONOMY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 02:13:02 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys...peace out>... ::MonkeyCool::

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 02:16:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 02:32:59 AM
9/19/2009 Awe Mainta Page 8

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09192009AweMaintaPg8.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

ahata owing to anuncia james richard hepple because; his president y ceo new

aruba hotel & tourism association (ahata) y his hunta directiva, orguyosamente owing to anuncia they chairman y ceo new in person of james richard hepple.

james hepple is one profesional distingui in turism y amplio experiencia for thing is turism caribense, that assure will is one asset for can ehecuta y follow desaroya plannan of ahata.

james hepple is arrive aruba for of his ultimo funcion cu was at st. lucia, where past owing to ocupa one posicion clave in saint lucia tourism board (for of 2007).

ultimo añanan, james hepple owing to work at trinidad & tobago (2005-2007), at corsow (2001- 2005), at bahamas (1993-2001 y 1983-1989), y also cu trusthouse forte hotels at bermuda (1989-1991).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 19, 2009, 09:55:46 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::  No Zoom

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 19, 2009, 10:19:01 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on September 19, 2009, 11:10:04 AM

Hi GabbyG!    ::MonkeySkate::

Hi TM, good to see you! Sorry it took me so long to answer, I am just getting back to the computer. I am a Texas Monkey also, in Paris, TX, and I have had ENOUGH of the rain!!  hahaha  My yard is like Wreck's...looks like spring instead of fall it's so high, buttttttt it's so wet I cant mow it.  :2doh:   :smt118   :smt033 ::CowWave::

Edit to fix CowWave. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 11:22:11 AM

Hi GabbyG!    ::MonkeySkate::

Hi TM, good to see you! Sorry it took me so long to answer, I am just getting back to the computer. I am a Texas Monkey also, in Paris, TX, and I have had ENOUGH of the rain!!  hahaha  My yard is like Wreck's...looks like spring instead of fall it's so high, buttttttt it's so wet I cant mow it.  :2doh:   :smt118   :smt033 :  :CowWave::

No problem GabbyG, I just noticed you up there last night and wanted to give you a little shout out to let you know I was glad to see you!  Are you still reading back in the archives?  I thought about that too last night and was wondering if were still at it, or had any new thoughts  on anything related to Natalee's case since doing so.

I've been to Paris Texas a few times, before I married I dated a guy from there; so it's been MANY years ago.  But from what I recall, it was nice!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 19, 2009, 11:26:43 AM
Just stoppin in to say good morning before i head out to the game!It's raining in Seattle!  ::MonkeyDance:: Hopefully the Football Gods are with us today!


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!




::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 11:46:46 AM
Just stoppin in to say good morning before i head out to the game!It's raining in Seattle!  ::MonkeyDance:: Hopefully the Football Gods are with us today!


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!




::MonkeyAngel::

Good morning KTF!  Hope you have a great day!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 19, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
FBI: Corrupt cops,including Bo Dietl, fed mob info  :shocked:

More than a dozen corrupt cops – allegedly including celebrity detective Bo Dietl and a former NYPD detective-driver for Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau — fed information to the mob and took part in crimes including drug dealing, armed robbery and murder, according to a blockbuster FBI report obtained by The Post.

The stunning allegations come from Gambino crime family rat John Alite, who’s expected to be the prosecution’s star witness at the upcoming racketeering and murder trial of mob scion John "Junior" Gotti.

Alite, a former Gambino associate, who allegedly helped Gotti run a drug ring in Queens, made a star appearance as a witness earlier this year in Brooklyn federal court against Gambino family hit man Charles Carneglia.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/fbi_corrupt_cops_including_bo_dietl_9lYELZZSB8LWiNV9WOIGwO

I know, I know.......someone probably already posted it and I missed it and again I am a day late and a million dollara short ...  ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:34:40 PM
FBI: Corrupt cops,including Bo Dietl, fed mob info  :shocked:

More than a dozen corrupt cops – allegedly including celebrity detective Bo Dietl and a former NYPD detective-driver for Manhattan DA Robert Morgenthau — fed information to the mob and took part in crimes including drug dealing, armed robbery and murder, according to a blockbuster FBI report obtained by The Post.

The stunning allegations come from Gambino crime family rat John Alite, who’s expected to be the prosecution’s star witness at the upcoming racketeering and murder trial of mob scion John "Junior" Gotti.

Alite, a former Gambino associate, who allegedly helped Gotti run a drug ring in Queens, made a star appearance as a witness earlier this year in Brooklyn federal court against Gambino family hit man Charles Carneglia.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/fbi_corrupt_cops_including_bo_dietl_9lYELZZSB8LWiNV9WOIGwO

I know, I know.......someone probably already posted it and I missed it and again I am a day late and a million dollara short ...  ::MonkeyLaugh::



Thanks Nut44x4!  Actually it had not been posted.  I read a little about it late last night, but not at a reputable site!  ::MonkeyWink::  I was too tired to go looking for reliable info about it and forgot about it, so I'm glad you posted it!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 12:36:30 PM
http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/m106/jenningsm106.html

Former gang leader advises parents to reinforce respect

PHILIPSBURG--Former gang leader Dr. Joseph Jennings, now a motivational speaker, told gathered parents their children could not be any more than what they taught them to be, in Philipsburg Jubilee Library’s filled-to-capacity conference room Thursday night.

He told the gathering of parents, youngsters, education and judicial officials that this generation of children was under a curse, stemming from disobedience of the ninth commandment, according to the Holy Bible, “Honour your mother and your father.”

He noted that in the US, the number one desire of young people was to come from a happy home. Their number one fear was their parents getting a divorce. He pointed out that the world had evolved over the years, with many parents “stuck in a box.”

He emphasised the necessity for parents to show love to their children, as a lack of it resulted in youngsters clinging to street gangs that promoted themselves as families away from home.

He recalled his own youth, in which his father had raised him to be a “thug.” As a result he had lived a life of rebellion, had been shot 13 times, had brutally injured his own brother in a shoot-out, had witnessed his father rape all his sisters, and much more, which he described as very callous.

Noting this, however, he told the youngsters that regardless of the situation, they must honour the title of mother and father, and not necessarily the person holding this title.

Jennings said with youngsters knowing the difference between right and wrong, adults had to provide the way out of this current curse, helping them understand that down the line there would be a price to pay.

Reflecting on the situation in St. Maarten through talks with youngsters of the various schools, he observed that St. Maarten’s delinquency predicament stemmed from a lack of family togetherness. He said the youth of St. Maarten were immensely influenced, in a negative way, by American culture.

He stressed to those in power that as the island’s greatest resource was its youth, if not guided out of their current state, the youth could shut down the whole island, which depended significantly on tourism.

He said “the youth does not need any more role models – they need a real model.” He said those in power needed to consider the influence their actions had on this generation. Moreover he chastised the local media, suggesting that there was a preference to report negative news when it came to the youth, rather than push positive messages, such as what he had visited the island to do.

Further, he asked parents to “let your kids be kids.” He said the term “young adults” should be scrapped, because children were children. Also targeting single parent households, he said male figures were essential, because “women can’t raise boys to be men.”

Focusing on this point he said single women, no matter why the fathers of their children were no longer in the situation, should not speak negatively about the children’s fathers to the children, because in the end the children would develop a strong resentment that could be detrimental to all parties.

Jennings said it was imperative for the island to get back to praying for its young people. He added that on his visit he had met young girls who had been raped and molested and he had met young men longing for a father, which drew him to the conclusion that youngsters on the island hurt even more than those in the US.

Moreover, he said demeaning an individual because of race, status or occupation also had a significant influence on youth delinquency. He said that from his experience and conversing with those in gangs, there was a realisation that they were no different than the common man.

He noted that involvement in a gang in the beginning stages was mainly a means of survival. There was no senseless killing as seen today. Gang members were only in the hustle to make money to live comfortably.

The former gang leader said his turnaround in life had come at a moment when he was about to kill a man and three elderly white ladies had started to pray for him in an attempt to stop what he was about to do. On this note he said people needed to get past the issue of black and white, because the current dilemma amongst the youth was no longer about race.

Having changed his life, Jennings focuses on helping adults understand the young people of today. He said common courtesy expressed by young people to their mothers and grandmothers had to be re-instilled.

He said that while some black people might be of the opinion that profanity was a part of the black culture, he argued that this was a stupid way of thinking and reminded listeners of yesteryear when respect was key.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 05:12:40 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4985&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

will have consequencia economico/financiero big if aruba have to aparece on list black of fatf

saturday, 19 september 2009 oranjestad—aruba is tratando of all form for convence fatf cu locual his evaluacion is on cumplimento of aruba cu recomendacionnan of the organizacion contra labamento of coin y financiamento of terrorism, do not cuadra. y have motibo for kico have one cierto nervosismo. because the raport preliminario of fatf is devastado for aruba, y is form one danger earnest for reputacion of we country, cu posibilidad of achieve one apuntacion negative internacionalmente.
one delegacion cu owing to consisti among another representantenan of mot come across, incluso the candidato new of mep xiomara maduro y also representantenan of banco central owing to trip for paris at july, as minister rudy croes owing to indica, for owing to discuti among another on the form y tone con the raport is scirbi.

the message cu owing to delegacion owing to achieve is cu will not change the words of the raport. cu one raportahe so, the probabilidad will is big cu aruba will achieve one evaluacion of nc, cu is non compliance. have to tell cu the termino ‘non compliant,’ or non-cooperative have trip is give one impresion left, already cu as aruba, much country cu is aparece on the list black of fatf not necesariamente for propaganda one cultura where is crea the impresion cu is asisti at labamento of coin. but much trip is deal of paisnan cu not have neither the infrastructura neither the recursonan for atende cu criminalnan financiero relativamente sofistica.

analistanan is show cu fatf is impone his recomendacionnan, 40 + 9, on one country cu have limitacion not only in fondo, but also in expertonan for work legislacionnan. is deal here of recomendacionnan cu paisnan big as merca self is struggle for accomplish cu n’e y is dificil for believe cu without more, one country cu one presupuesto limita as aruba can inverti the same cantidad cu paisnan big for accomplish cu the recomendacionnan of fatf.

sinembargo, another they're show cu the problem of aruba do not miss of fondo neither miss of experticio, but miss of disponibilidad y coherencia, as the raport is show. the maneho on leynan contra labamento of coin y financiamento of terrorism is stay one responsabilidad comparti of minister of husticia rudy croes y his colega of finanzas nilo swaen.  sinembargo, according informacionnan, not had none type of coordinacion, for cual motibo also cada instancia, as for example banco central y mot, practicamente not owing to work in one form structura cu another. not had none leader for dirigi the procesonan here. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 06:12:54 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/AHATANewPresidentCEOJamesRichard-1.jpg)

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

AHATA announces Hepple as its new President and CEO

Local News

Saturday, 19 September 2009

ORANJESTAD – The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) and its board of directors is proud to announce the addition of James Richard Hepple as AHATA’s next President and CEO.

James Hepple is a distinguished tourism professional who holds ample experience in the Caribbean region, and who will undoubtedly prove a valuable asset in the development of programs for AHATA members and in the further promotion of the destination of Aruba. 

Hepple comes to Aruba from his last post in Saint Lucia, where he held a key position for the Saint Lucia Tourism Board (since 2007).  In recent years, Hepple has served in tourism director positions with Trinidad & Tobago (2005-2007), Curacao (2001-2005), Bahamas (1993-2001 and 1983-1989), and with Trusthouse Forte Hotels in Bermuda (1989-1991). 

Previous to his Caribbean appointments, he first developed his tourism experience with the English Tourist Board (1973-1976).  He later emigrated to Canada and joined the Toronto, Canada office of Pannell Kerr Forster as a consultant working on many hotel related studies. In 1979 he joined the Ottawa office of Thorne Stevenson & Kellogg, as Senior Consultant where he was responsible for numerous tourism marketing and feasibility assignments.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/CafeBahiaCloses09192009ArubaTodayPa.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 06:24:58 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/AHATANewPresidentCEOJamesRichard-1.jpg)

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

AHATA announces Hepple as its new President and CEO

Local News

Saturday, 19 September 2009

ORANJESTAD – The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) and its board of directors is proud to announce the addition of James Richard Hepple as AHATA’s next President and CEO.

James Hepple is a distinguished tourism professional who holds ample experience in the Caribbean region, and who will undoubtedly prove a valuable asset in the development of programs for AHATA members and in the further promotion of the destination of Aruba. 

Hepple comes to Aruba from his last post in Saint Lucia, where he held a key position for the Saint Lucia Tourism Board (since 2007).  In recent years, Hepple has served in tourism director positions with Trinidad & Tobago (2005-2007), Curacao (2001-2005), Bahamas (1993-2001 and 1983-1989), and with Trusthouse Forte Hotels in Bermuda (1989-1991). 

Previous to his Caribbean appointments, he first developed his tourism experience with the English Tourist Board (1973-1976).  He later emigrated to Canada and joined the Toronto, Canada office of Pannell Kerr Forster as a consultant working on many hotel related studies. In 1979 he joined the Ottawa office of Thorne Stevenson & Kellogg, as Senior Consultant where he was responsible for numerous tourism marketing and feasibility assignments.

Hepple was born in Hexham, England and holds a PhD in Economic Geography and a First Class Honors BA degree in Geography, both from the University of Hull, Yorkshire, England. He has two children, Cameron 21 and Brittany 18.

AHATA looks forward to welcoming Hepple to Aruba and to the AHATA staff in the fourth quarter of this year, after completing the appropriate legal requirements for his stay on island and on the job with AHATA. Hepple will replace the outgoing AHATA President & CEO Rob Smith, who is scheduled to vacate his current position with AHATA on October 16, 2009.

After completing a successful two-year run as the President & CEO of AHATA, Smith will be assuming responsibilities as the new general manager of the Radisson Aruba. AHATA board, staff and members look forward to his continued participation in the association as a resort GM.
 


Edited to add the rest of the article!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 06:30:53 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62692.php

Google translation:

Judge and sit on seat legislature OM '

September 19, 2009, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

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The members of the Common Court of Justice, including the attorney general of Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles yesterday during an extraordinary session of the Court at the University of Aruba.

ORANGE CITY - The Bar Association is concerned about the development that the Public Prosecutor (OM) and right on the seat of the legislature sitting. This blanket Ronny Wix said yesterday during an extraordinary session of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

In it were two new judges, Mewe Christine and Ingrid van Acker, for Aruba and Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz installed. Wix took the example of major criminal case against Mansur among others, Luis Mercado and Rafa Ochoa which OM illegal investigative methods such as eavesdropping devices used. And although the evidence was illegally obtained and both the Court of First Instance and the Court ruled that there was a serious violation standard, the evidence was still used in the case. The court imposed a penalty on it, but according to Wix, this case nonetheless paved the way for the Public to "discretion detection methods to use without legal basis". "In other words, the prosecution can decide tomorrow to go to aggressive interrogation methods that do not support in the law." This is a serious infringement on the rights of people, is the dean, by the Constitution (Constitution of Aruba) and European Convention of Human Rights are guaranteed. A "worrying development", will Wix, because now the court allows such cases, confidence in the law harmed. Justice he will also lose custody to. "The company will in fact have little respect for investigators who are breaking the law, especially if the violated standard itself could constitute a criminal offense."

The blanket is still more concerned about the ruling of the Court of First Instance, the OM has not previously informed the public that justice detection methods are used. This statement means, Wix said, that justice for the detection method are illegal if the OM that publish in advance and communicated. And publish the OM, both Aruba and the Antilles, now done. This is the blanket statement that the OM will function as the executive and the parliament as a court order "together to make laws", but that power lies solely with the legislature. This goes against the principles of law thought, Wix concludes: "Indeed, the court can not take the place of the legislature sit."

The blanket highlight how "frustrating" for the prosecutor and the judiciary should be that failure by the legislature in time with sufficient laws to come, but they may not fulfill the role of the legislature. It indicates that the legal profession sharp eye on this development retains. Asked whether the OM are still in ongoing criminal investigations using illegal investigative methods, Wix says: "Yes, I'm quite sure."

Attorney-General Pietersz showed in his speech thanks know that the law which the PDO detection methods would be legal, since the Advisory Council is sent. He also said to expect the law from January next year in power can be. Wix is more skeptical about. "It is Parliament that decides it."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62688.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Online StemWijzer

September 19, 2009, 13:36 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Voters who do not know which party they vote in the upcoming elections, may now visit the website www.votaconciente.com. The site is a kind VoteMatch where visitors can answer questions on important issues such as education, social affairs, immigration, economy, tourism and economy. Depending on the answers calculates the site, after answering all questions, which political party best reflects the responses of the visitor. The creators of the site is unique in Aruba and "perfect for floating voters who do not know which party they vote. But people who are curious about the views of various parties are informed by the site. The site and questions are entirely in Papiamento.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 08:19:21 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 19, 2009, 10:38:00 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_holloway.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 20, 2009, 12:10:29 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62692.php

Google translation:

Judge and sit on seat legislature OM '

September 19, 2009, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/19-installatiezitting-gea.gif)
 
The members of the Common Court of Justice, including the attorney general of Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles yesterday during an extraordinary session of the Court at the University of Aruba.

ORANGE CITY - The Bar Association is concerned about the development that the Public Prosecutor (OM) and right on the seat of the legislature sitting. This blanket Ronny Wix said yesterday during an extraordinary session of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

In it were two new judges, Mewe Christine and Ingrid van Acker, for Aruba and Attorney-General (PG) Rob Pietersz installed. Wix took the example of major criminal case against Mansur among others, Luis Mercado and Rafa Ochoa which OM illegal investigative methods such as eavesdropping devices used. And although the evidence was illegally obtained and both the Court of First Instance and the Court ruled that there was a serious violation standard, the evidence was still used in the case. The court imposed a penalty on it, but according to Wix, this case nonetheless paved the way for the Public to "discretion detection methods to use without legal basis". "In other words, the prosecution can decide tomorrow to go to aggressive interrogation methods that do not support in the law." This is a serious infringement on the rights of people, is the dean, by the Constitution (Constitution of Aruba) and European Convention of Human Rights are guaranteed. A "worrying development", will Wix, because now the court allows such cases, confidence in the law harmed. Justice he will also lose custody to. "The company will in fact have little respect for investigators who are breaking the law, especially if the violated standard itself could constitute a criminal offense."

The blanket is still more concerned about the ruling of the Court of First Instance, the OM has not previously informed the public that justice detection methods are used. This statement means, Wix said, that justice for the detection method are illegal if the OM that publish in advance and communicated. And publish the OM, both Aruba and the Antilles, now done. This is the blanket statement that the OM will function as the executive and the parliament as a court order "together to make laws", but that power lies solely with the legislature. This goes against the principles of law thought, Wix concludes: "Indeed, the court can not take the place of the legislature sit."

The blanket highlight how "frustrating" for the prosecutor and the judiciary should be that failure by the legislature in time with sufficient laws to come, but they may not fulfill the role of the legislature. It indicates that the legal profession sharp eye on this development retains. Asked whether the OM are still in ongoing criminal investigations using illegal investigative methods, Wix says: "Yes, I'm quite sure."

Attorney-General Pietersz showed in his speech thanks know that the law which the PDO detection methods would be legal, since the Advisory Council is sent. He also said to expect the law from January next year in power can be. Wix is more skeptical about. "It is Parliament that decides it."

SAN made an observation:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/pvdsINSTALL.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:13:20 AM


Good eye San!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 20, 2009, 12:16:29 AM


Good eye San!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

That sneak is always hiding.   :smt066


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 12:17:56 AM


Good eye San!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

That sneak is always hiding.   :smt066

If that is Paulus.... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 12:19:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Matt_holloway.jpg)

THANK YOU TM


::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:21:08 AM


Good eye San!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

That sneak is always hiding.   :smt066

He can hide, but I bet you can smell him a mile away.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:30:42 AM


Good eye San!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink::

That sneak is always hiding.   :smt066

If that is Paulus.... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I think it's him.  Considering the "concerns" of the bar association from the article.  I'd bet money. 

They're only concerned about the "rights" of criminals.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:54:35 AM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

28 november 2007

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/11-27-advocaten-kalpoe.jpg)

(Ronny Wix and David Kock)

Detention extended Joran van der Sloot

Lawyers Kalpoe: "Certainly 95 percent proof is old '

David Kock and Ronny Wix allow the press to speak.

ORANGE CITY - Lawyers for Satish Kalpoe (21), David Kock and Ronny Wix, deny that there is new evidence that justifies arrest of the suspects. All three defendants will be acquitted of all blame and are purified, they guarantee. "Certainly 95 percent is old."
Kock: "The so-called new evidence is an elaboration of the old stuff that 2.5 years ago is not done. It is shaken and presented as new. The little extra is not good enough for them to close. "

The prosecution, however, sees his assertion confirmed that the new evidence is sufficient "for the renewal of detention orders to" Joran van der Sloot. Yesterday afternoon voted the judge agreed to the custody of Van der Sloot renewable for eight days.

Of the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had already extended the custody Friday. Research will continue in the coming days and interviews under the investigation continues. By Thursday is a decision on extending the detention of the Kalpoe brothers.

According to Kock and Wix part of the evidence will not be accepted by the court. The lawyers believe the authorities under the guise of a technical inspection for the mobile phone reception, Tapping into the homes of the suspects have posted. They say that after studying a twelve-page document that the Public Prosecutor (OM) yesterday sent to them. Reports of the taps, according to lawyers back the pieces of justice are "hidden". "Evidence that is obtained here will not be accepted by the court."

Lawyer Wix is the legality of the detention of the three doubtful. "I would almost say illegal. They have already been made in insurance for essentially the same facts and the law should not two times. The OM is desperate, but now they are too far gone. There is simply no new evidence, but they force the case to December 31 because they must decide whether they bring prosecutions. "

Satish ONLY

Although they often talk about "their clients Satish and Deepak Kalpoe," Wix now officially defending Kock and only Satish Kalpoe. The prosecution, which would prevent the defendants in the case of contact with each other, did not want the two councilors both defend.

"Never before since they made an issue of" Wix reacts angrily against the decision appeals. "We have successfully assisted the brothers again. Now suddenly Deepak gets assigned a different lawyer, who previously stood up for him when we got them remain free. This is just a matter of tactics and desperation of the OM. "

The lawyers acknowledge that they maintained good contact with the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Ariean de Bie, who was unavailable for comment. The father of Joran, lawyer Paul van der Sloot, has already been contact between De Bie and his son.

Paul van der Sloot is according to the OM also still officially in the council team to Joran, and has not yet been signed. He would still not have used the law as a lawyer to see his son during the hearing by the judge. (Amigoe / Photo: Raúl Henriquez)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 20, 2009, 12:56:20 AM
Some nice pictures of Aruba on this website.  Just happened uppon his website looking through the ArubaBB:

http://www.arubakid.com/

HOW TO ENJOY ARUBA

 

One Man’s Opinion

 

By

 

Charles W. Smith

These photos taken June 2005

http://www.pbase.com/scsnapper/aruba2005scenics


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 12:57:43 AM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

28 november 2007

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/11-27-advocaten-kalpoe.jpg)

(Ronny Wix and David Kock)

Detention extended Joran van der Sloot

Lawyers Kalpoe: "Certainly 95 percent proof is old '

David Kock and Ronny Wix allow the press to speak.

ORANGE CITY - Lawyers for Satish Kalpoe (21), David Kock and Ronny Wix, deny that there is new evidence that justifies arrest of the suspects. All three defendants will be acquitted of all blame and are purified, they guarantee. "Certainly 95 percent is old."
Kock: "The so-called new evidence is an elaboration of the old stuff that 2.5 years ago is not done. It is shaken and presented as new. The little extra is not good enough for them to close. "

The prosecution, however, sees his assertion confirmed that the new evidence is sufficient "for the renewal of detention orders to" Joran van der Sloot. Yesterday afternoon voted the judge agreed to the custody of Van der Sloot renewable for eight days.

Of the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had already extended the custody Friday. Research will continue in the coming days and interviews under the investigation continues. By Thursday is a decision on extending the detention of the Kalpoe brothers.

According to Kock and Wix part of the evidence will not be accepted by the court. The lawyers believe the authorities under the guise of a technical inspection for the mobile phone reception, Tapping into the homes of the suspects have posted. They say that after studying a twelve-page document that the Public Prosecutor (OM) yesterday sent to them. Reports of the taps, according to lawyers back the pieces of justice are "hidden". "Evidence that is obtained here will not be accepted by the court."

Lawyer Wix is the legality of the detention of the three doubtful. "I would almost say illegal. They have already been made in insurance for essentially the same facts and the law should not two times. The OM is desperate, but now they are too far gone. There is simply no new evidence, but they force the case to December 31 because they must decide whether they bring prosecutions. "

Satish ONLY

Although they often talk about "their clients Satish and Deepak Kalpoe," Wix now officially defending Kock and only Satish Kalpoe. The prosecution, which would prevent the defendants in the case of contact with each other, did not want the two councilors both defend.

"Never before since they made an issue of" Wix reacts angrily against the decision appeals. "We have successfully assisted the brothers again. Now suddenly Deepak gets assigned a different lawyer, who previously stood up for him when we got them remain free. This is just a matter of tactics and desperation of the OM. "

The lawyers acknowledge that they maintained good contact with the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Ariean de Bie, who was unavailable for comment. The father of Joran, lawyer Paul van der Sloot, has already been contact between De Bie and his son.

Paul van der Sloot is according to the OM also still officially in the council team to Joran, and has not yet been signed. He would still not have used the law as a lawyer to see his son during the hearing by the judge. (Amigoe / Photo: Raúl Henriquez)

What is Paulus up too?Is he gonna try to pass some law,then make it retroactive for the past 6 yrs,that way they do away with potential evidence? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 01:15:44 AM
http://www.arubachamber.com/professional.htm

Aruba Bar Association

Abbreviated name:    OvA

Deacon:    Ronny Wix

Address:    J.G. Emanstraat 58, Oranjestad

Phone:    (297) 582-2505

Fax:            (297) 582-3506


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 01:20:53 AM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

28 november 2007

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/11-27-advocaten-kalpoe.jpg)

(Ronny Wix and David Kock)

Detention extended Joran van der Sloot

Lawyers Kalpoe: "Certainly 95 percent proof is old '

David Kock and Ronny Wix allow the press to speak.

ORANGE CITY - Lawyers for Satish Kalpoe (21), David Kock and Ronny Wix, deny that there is new evidence that justifies arrest of the suspects. All three defendants will be acquitted of all blame and are purified, they guarantee. "Certainly 95 percent is old."
Kock: "The so-called new evidence is an elaboration of the old stuff that 2.5 years ago is not done. It is shaken and presented as new. The little extra is not good enough for them to close. "

The prosecution, however, sees his assertion confirmed that the new evidence is sufficient "for the renewal of detention orders to" Joran van der Sloot. Yesterday afternoon voted the judge agreed to the custody of Van der Sloot renewable for eight days.

Of the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had already extended the custody Friday. Research will continue in the coming days and interviews under the investigation continues. By Thursday is a decision on extending the detention of the Kalpoe brothers.

According to Kock and Wix part of the evidence will not be accepted by the court. The lawyers believe the authorities under the guise of a technical inspection for the mobile phone reception, Tapping into the homes of the suspects have posted. They say that after studying a twelve-page document that the Public Prosecutor (OM) yesterday sent to them. Reports of the taps, according to lawyers back the pieces of justice are "hidden". "Evidence that is obtained here will not be accepted by the court."

Lawyer Wix is the legality of the detention of the three doubtful. "I would almost say illegal. They have already been made in insurance for essentially the same facts and the law should not two times. The OM is desperate, but now they are too far gone. There is simply no new evidence, but they force the case to December 31 because they must decide whether they bring prosecutions. "

Satish ONLY

Although they often talk about "their clients Satish and Deepak Kalpoe," Wix now officially defending Kock and only Satish Kalpoe. The prosecution, which would prevent the defendants in the case of contact with each other, did not want the two councilors both defend.

"Never before since they made an issue of" Wix reacts angrily against the decision appeals. "We have successfully assisted the brothers again. Now suddenly Deepak gets assigned a different lawyer, who previously stood up for him when we got them remain free. This is just a matter of tactics and desperation of the OM. "

The lawyers acknowledge that they maintained good contact with the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Ariean de Bie, who was unavailable for comment. The father of Joran, lawyer Paul van der Sloot, has already been contact between De Bie and his son.

Paul van der Sloot is according to the OM also still officially in the council team to Joran, and has not yet been signed. He would still not have used the law as a lawyer to see his son during the hearing by the judge. (Amigoe / Photo: Raúl Henriquez)

What is Paulus up too?Is he gonna try to pass some law,then make it retroactive for the past 6 yrs,that way they do away with potential evidence? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anything...and everything...to cover that azz. 

IF there is ever a trial in this case, there is no way in hell it should ever take place in Aruba.
There's too much conflict of interest, and it only continues to grow to this day. 

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 02:21:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: GabbyG on September 20, 2009, 06:00:24 AM

Hi GabbyG!    ::MonkeySkate::

Hi TM, good to see you! Sorry it took me so long to answer, I am just getting back to the computer. I am a Texas Monkey also, in Paris, TX, and I have had ENOUGH of the rain!!  hahaha  My yard is like Wreck's...looks like spring instead of fall it's so high, buttttttt it's so wet I cant mow it.  :2doh:   :smt118   :smt033 :  :CowWave::

No problem GabbyG, I just noticed you up there last night and wanted to give you a little shout out to let you know I was glad to see you!  Are you still reading back in the archives?  I thought about that too last night and was wondering if were still at it, or had any new thoughts  on anything related to Natalee's case since doing so.

I've been to Paris Texas a few times, before I married I dated a guy from there; so it's been MANY years ago.  But from what I recall, it was nice!




Yes, Im still reading the archives, Im on #804 now, and often find myself with my mouth hanging open and shaking my head! It has been a good refresher course. Interesting how right a lot of folks have been from the beginning. As far as new thoughts about the case TM, I still feel now the same way I felt 4 years ago about who's guilty, and about what most likely happened to Natalee that night. What I find the most surprise in, all over again while re-reading, is what transpired with some of the Monkeys. I find myself thinking about some of that stuff often and.....wondering...
I am praying that we will get answers one day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 20, 2009, 09:24:28 AM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 10:19:54 AM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

If i'm reading correctly.Mos has been promoted to over see all the Antilles and St Maarten?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 10:50:40 AM

Eagles cheerleaders not just for football
Sunday, September 20, 2009

By AMY BRISSON
newsroom@delcotimes.com

The minute Krystle Campbell stepped off a military plane in Kuwait, she was hit with an intense blast of hot, dry air and nearly 125-degree heat.

“It was like a blow dryer blowing on you, it was so hot,” she said.

In Campbell’s five years as a cheerleader for the Philadelphia Eagles, the 23-year-old Glen Mills resident has traveled the world performing and modeling.

But going on a goodwill mission to Kuwait and Iraq this July was a completely different experience, she said.

It wasn’t glamorous, like the calendar shoot they did in Aruba this May. Or quite as upbeat as performing in a parade in Hong Kong.

In fact, Campbell said the six cheerleaders on the trip got a taste of real life on a military base, from wearing combat gear to sleeping in “The Can.”

“We were treated really well, they took really good care of us, but we were right in there in the mix,” she said. “Whenever there was a pretty severe sandstorm we were grounded and couldn’t move to the next place. And that’s when we really got to know the soldiers.”

Campbell described it as one of the most amazing experiences she has ever had, especially getting to see the day-to-day life of a soldier on the ground.

“They’re so brave for being over there. Some of them said they had been there for eight months and we were the first entertainment group to come over there,” she said.

-snipped-

http://delcotimes.com/articles/2009/09/20/entertainment/doc4ab59da4560ba253967755.txt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 10:54:25 AM

Eagles cheerleaders not just for football
Sunday, September 20, 2009

By AMY BRISSON
newsroom@delcotimes.com

The minute Krystle Campbell stepped off a military plane in Kuwait, she was hit with an intense blast of hot, dry air and nearly 125-degree heat.

“It was like a blow dryer blowing on you, it was so hot,” she said.

In Campbell’s five years as a cheerleader for the Philadelphia Eagles, the 23-year-old Glen Mills resident has traveled the world performing and modeling.

But going on a goodwill mission to Kuwait and Iraq this July was a completely different experience, she said.

It wasn’t glamorous, like the calendar shoot they did in Aruba this May. Or quite as upbeat as performing in a parade in Hong Kong.

In fact, Campbell said the six cheerleaders on the trip got a taste of real life on a military base, from wearing combat gear to sleeping in “The Can.”

“We were treated really well, they took really good care of us, but we were right in there in the mix,” she said. “Whenever there was a pretty severe sandstorm we were grounded and couldn’t move to the next place. And that’s when we really got to know the soldiers.”

Campbell described it as one of the most amazing experiences she has ever had, especially getting to see the day-to-day life of a soldier on the ground.

“They’re so brave for being over there. Some of them said they had been there for eight months and we were the first entertainment group to come over there,” she said.

-snipped-

http://delcotimes.com/articles/2009/09/20/entertainment/doc4ab59da4560ba253967755.txt

Michael Vick...Now Aruba!Dislike the Eagles more and more everyday... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 11:00:29 AM
Some nice pictures of Aruba on this website.  Just happened uppon his website looking through the ArubaBB:

http://www.arubakid.com/

HOW TO ENJOY ARUBA

 

One Man’s Opinion

 

By

 

Charles W. Smith

These photos taken June 2005

http://www.pbase.com/scsnapper/aruba2005scenics

Security:  Full employment keeps crime to a minimum.  There is virtually no reported bodily harm to tourists.  Very safe tourist environment despite what you may have heard from the shameless press reporting on the Natalee Holloway case.

http://www.arubakid.com/booklet.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:04:46 PM

Hi GabbyG!    ::MonkeySkate::

Hi TM, good to see you! Sorry it took me so long to answer, I am just getting back to the computer. I am a Texas Monkey also, in Paris, TX, and I have had ENOUGH of the rain!!  hahaha  My yard is like Wreck's...looks like spring instead of fall it's so high, buttttttt it's so wet I cant mow it.  :2doh:   :smt118   :smt033 :  :CowWave::

No problem GabbyG, I just noticed you up there last night and wanted to give you a little shout out to let you know I was glad to see you!  Are you still reading back in the archives?  I thought about that too last night and was wondering if were still at it, or had any new thoughts  on anything related to Natalee's case since doing so.

I've been to Paris Texas a few times, before I married I dated a guy from there; so it's been MANY years ago.  But from what I recall, it was nice!




Yes, Im still reading the archives, Im on #804 now, and often find myself with my mouth hanging open and shaking my head! It has been a good refresher course. Interesting how right a lot of folks have been from the beginning. As far as new thoughts about the case TM, I still feel now the same way I felt 4 years ago about who's guilty, and about what most likely happened to Natalee that night. What I find the most surprise in, all over again while re-reading, is what transpired with some of the Monkeys. I find myself thinking about some of that stuff often and.....wondering...
I am praying that we will get answers one day.

I know how you feel GabbyG, I do the same.

I'm praying for answers too, I hope we get them. 

 ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:15:47 PM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

Great article Buckeye!  Thanks for bringing it over!   ::MonkeyCool::

When I was reading it something struck me right away.  Is it normal to be 20 years old when you complete High School in Holland?  ::MonkeyWink::

snip
The Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles, Dick Piar during his address also introduced the new Chief Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands, Hans Folkert MOS LL.M.

Mr. Mos was born on February 15, 1959, in The Hague, The Netherlands.

Following high school, which he successfully completed in 1979, in the realm of languages, humanities, and arts, he proceeded to study law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Leiden, where he obtained his Masters Degree in Law, in 1983.

snip




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 20, 2009, 12:36:34 PM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

Great article Buckeye!  Thanks for bringing it over!   ::MonkeyCool::

When I was reading it something struck me right away.  Is it normal to be 20 years old when you complete High School in Holland?  ::MonkeyWink::

snip
The Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles, Dick Piar during his address also introduced the new Chief Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands, Hans Folkert MOS LL.M.

Mr. Mos was born on February 15, 1959, in The Hague, The Netherlands.

Following high school, which he successfully completed in 1979, in the realm of languages, humanities, and arts, he proceeded to study law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Leiden, where he obtained his Masters Degree in Law, in 1983.

snip



Satish is 22 and still in HS.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 12:39:07 PM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

Great article Buckeye!  Thanks for bringing it over!   ::MonkeyCool::

When I was reading it something struck me right away.  Is it normal to be 20 years old when you complete High School in Holland?  ::MonkeyWink::

snip
The Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles, Dick Piar during his address also introduced the new Chief Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands, Hans Folkert MOS LL.M.

Mr. Mos was born on February 15, 1959, in The Hague, The Netherlands.

Following high school, which he successfully completed in 1979, in the realm of languages, humanities, and arts, he proceeded to study law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Leiden, where he obtained his Masters Degree in Law, in 1983.

snip




It's possible that HS in NL may have included the equivalent of an Associates Degree....this would explain his Masters Degree in '83.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:51:38 PM
This is the complete article that Buckeye referenced above.  There is a lot of information in it that I thought we might like to review time and time again so I'm posting it here.

Thanks again, Buckeye!

http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

Joint Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba installs two members Friday      

Written by Staff Reporter      

Friday, 14 August 2009 23:09

www.sxmislandtime.com

PHILIPSBURG - Two new members of the Joint Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, were installed on Friday afternoon August 14th 2009 in the Court of first instance on St. Maarten.

The installation was presided over by Lisbeth C. Hoefdraad, the Chief Justice of the Joint Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Also present was the Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles (OM), Dick Piar.

The two newly installed Judges are Monique Keppels and Diederik Thierry.

(http://sxmislandtime.com/images/stories/DSC_5068.jpg)
(Taco Stein and Hans Mos)

The Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles, Dick Piar during his address also introduced the new Chief Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands, Hans Folkert MOS LL.M.

Mr. Mos was born on February 15, 1959, in The Hague, The Netherlands.

Following high school, which he successfully completed in 1979, in the realm of languages, humanities, and arts, he proceeded to study law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Leiden, where he obtained his Masters Degree in Law, in 1983.

In 2001, he successfully completed his studies at the School for Public Administration of the Netherlands (“Nederlandse School voor Openbaar Bestuur”) (abbreviated in Dutch : “NSOB”).

Throughout the period ranging from 1984 through 1985, Mr. Mos was employed as an attorney with the Department of Legal and Industrial Cases of the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries.

Following the completion of his internship as a judicial trainee, Mr. Mos opted for a position with the Counsel for the Prosecution, and was appointed Public Prosecutor in Middelburg, in 1991. In 1995 he was transferred to the District Counsel for the Prosecution of Rotterdam, where he acquired experience as the Public Prosecutor in charge of and engaged in the fight against severe organized crime.

As of August 1, 2006, he was appointed Public Prosecutor in charge of the Criminal Investigation Division with the National Counsel for the Prosecution in Rotterdam.

As of May 1, 2007 through August 1, 2009, Mr. Mos exercised the office of Chief Public Prosecutor with the Counsel for the Prosecution of Aruba.

Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

According to the Attorney General, as Chief Public Prosecutor and precursor, Mr. Mos, under the direct responsibility of the Attorney-General, must encounter the features of and shape the new independently functioning Counsel for the Prosecution of St. Maarten.

All measures within the framework of said “trailblazing”, must fit into the framework and points of departure of the Consensus Statute Law governing the Counsel for the Prosecution, the implementing orders, and the re-organization intentions of the Counsel for the Prosecution.

The Attorney General, then challenged the new Judges stating; You shall administer justice in a community with which you are not yet well acquainted. The aforementioned as such is a challenge by itself. You shall run into the litigant, the suspects, and the attorneys as well as the prosecution officials everywhere on a daily basis, either on the street, in the supermarket, on the beach or at receptions.

You must either maintain adequate distance and/or keep this or that person at arms length, without having to administer justice from a pedestal. It is an art, however, at the same time a “conditio sine qua non” for a successful administration of the law, to find just the right leverage.

The political developments leading to the dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles, will not make the situation any easier for you as a judge the Attorney General stated.

In a confirming statement the Attorney General stated that the political process, is being carefully scrutinized. He further stated that the Island Territory of St. Maarten has experienced difficult times of late.

Some highly placed officials, in charge of guarding and maintaining the pillars of our constitutional state, either looked the other way or have themselves affected the foundation of our constitutional state. The aforementioned did not go unpunished Piar stated.

St. Maarten can, therefore, commend itself as being fortunate, and can be proud of the fact that the investigation and legal pursuit of such abuse on this island is possible, for in many countries around the world this is not a matter–of- fact occurrence.

The OM went on to state that this self-purifying process that St. Maarten, as part of the Netherlands Antilles, is currently undergoing, must be maintained uncurtailed. I am quite confident that this will be the case.

The official apparatus, and the judicial chain, as well as the government in particular, must be reinforced with incorruptible and qualitatively apt persons.

In the new political structure due observation of the law, and administration of justice, and, therefore, also the regulation of the Counsel for the Prosecution fall under the autonomous tasks of the future countries.

A Counsel for the Prosecution which acts in an incorruptible and decisive manner, which is suited to its tasks, is, therefore, a must for due observation of the law and a sound administration of justice in St. Maarten.

It is the responsibility of the new country, St. Maarten, to see to it that there is a Counsel for the Prosecution which functions optimally. The judicial tasks, including the legal pursuit policy, fall under the responsibility of the Minister of Justice of the new country St. Maarten.

Each autonomous country shall determine its own priorities in the realm of public order and due observance of the law. The Minister of Justice takes complete responsibility and is totally accountable towards Parliament.

In order to carry said responsibility, the Minister of Justice may instruct the Counsel for the Prosecution. As is also the case at present, the instructions, and/or orders of the Minister of Justice in the new political structure must always be in accordance with law and justice, and also pursuant to the principles of good governance, in order to withstand judicial perusal.

Cross border crime is, in fact, a form of crime which transcends the borders of a country. The Minister of Justice of the new countries, and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius, and Saba must, therefore, in their periodic consultation, clearly formulate where the priorities are with regard to this form of crime.

An Analysis of the Crime Image (abbreviation in Dutch : CBA = “criminaliteitsbeeldanalyse”), can contribute towards this end.

Meanwhile, the Counsel for the Prosecution, in close consultation with the Office of the Attorney-General, and the National Police Department Force of The Netherlands, have taken the initiative to have a CBA made for St. Maarten. In the meantime, the CBA’s for Bonaire and Curaçao have been completed, and give a clear, and realistic picture of the nature, extension, development, and impact of crime on those islands.

The OM stated that In his opinion, it goes without saying that the new countries and Bonaire, St. Eustatius, and Saba must work together. This is especially important for the fight against severe, organized and cross border crime.

An efficient management of small-scale entities of the Counsel for the Prosecution, which are situated at extended geographical distances one from the other, also requires more cooperation.

The Consensus Statute Law governing the Counsel for the Prosecution and the ambition of the Counsel for the Prosecution as a professional organization, shall undoubtedly lead to task increase and a rise in working pressure within the Counsel for the Prosecution.

To this effect the execution of the primary process, the development of the policy, and strategy, and the necessary quality development are taken into consideration.

Owing to the fact that in the Caribbean region of the Kingdom there are small-scale entities of the Counsel for the Prosecution, it is virtually impossible that all entities are suited with all the required expertise.

The exchange of expertise among the new countries shall lead to an increase in decisiveness which the autonomous Counsels for the Prosecution must portray in the criminal prosecution. The aforementioned being to the avail of a due observance of the law.

One of the policy priorities of the Counsel for the Prosecution in St. Maarten for the coming period will be the fight against people smuggling and human trafficking.

On the basis of the aforementioned and taking into account the Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU) between the Ministers of Justice of The Netherlands, The Netherlands Antilles and Aruba the issues regarding people smuggling and human trafficking shall be given the necessary priority.

This year the Counsel for the Prosecution initiated investigations, by means of which the heads of diverse criminal investigation departments shall establish agreements as to the tackling of this form of crime.

In the three-way deliberation (Police, Island Government, Counsel for the Prosecution) it has been agreed up that they will go to great lengths to get a grip on the sex industry by controlling the permits of those employed in the sex industry, and the infrastructural situation of the location where they are employed.

IThe OM then warned all those involved with the withdrawal of the passport of personnel members, which apparently still occurs here and there within the sex industry, is considered a form of coercion which can lead to exploitation. Those guilty of such shall be dealt with harshly.

The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

Mr. Piar stated that he has mixed feelings with regard to his departure. He will indeed leave the Netherlands Antilles, however he will remain active in the Caribbean region of the Kingdom of The Netherlands.

It is a fact that we will miss him as Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands Piar stated, however, in his capacity as Solicitor-General of Aruba, where he will establish himself, he shall remain authorized in the judicial realm in the Netherlands Antilles, therefore, also in Sint Maarten.

For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"

The OM concluded by stating, "So, our dear friend and colleague, Taco, don't think you will get rid of us so easily! I'm afraid you will be stuck with us for a long time to come.

At the end of the ceremony, a farewell and welcoming reception was held on Front Street.

(http://sxmislandtime.com/images/stories/DSC_5088.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

Great article Buckeye!  Thanks for bringing it over!   ::MonkeyCool::

When I was reading it something struck me right away.  Is it normal to be 20 years old when you complete High School in Holland?  ::MonkeyWink::

snip
The Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles, Dick Piar during his address also introduced the new Chief Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands, Hans Folkert MOS LL.M.

Mr. Mos was born on February 15, 1959, in The Hague, The Netherlands.

Following high school, which he successfully completed in 1979, in the realm of languages, humanities, and arts, he proceeded to study law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Leiden, where he obtained his Masters Degree in Law, in 1983.

snip



Satish is 22 and still in HS.  ::MonkeyWink::

I said "normal" wreck...we all know Satish is "special".   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 12:59:21 PM
I had wondered why Mos was back on Aruba.  Seems he is only stationed in St. Maarten but is over the Antilles and Aruba:

....Pursuant to the National Decree, dated June 1, 2009, and upon application of article 4 paragraph 3 of the Uniform National Decree governing Judicial Organization1, Mr. Mos was appointed as (acting) Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles, stationed on the Island of St. Maarten,

....The Attorney General then expressed heartfelt gratitude to colleague, Taco Stein LL.M. who will leave St. Maarten to take up a new appointment on Aruba.

..For, pursuant to article 62, first paragraph of the Cooperation Arrangement of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the Attorney Generals of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba - and for that reason also their substitutes the Solicitor Generals of both countries - are authorized back and forth to handle appeal cases in both countries"


http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7549:joint-court-of-justice-of-the-netherlands-antilles-and-aruba-installs-two-members-friday&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

Great article Buckeye!  Thanks for bringing it over!   ::MonkeyCool::

When I was reading it something struck me right away.  Is it normal to be 20 years old when you complete High School in Holland?  ::MonkeyWink::

snip
The Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles, Dick Piar during his address also introduced the new Chief Public Prosecutor of the Windward Islands, Hans Folkert MOS LL.M.

Mr. Mos was born on February 15, 1959, in The Hague, The Netherlands.

Following high school, which he successfully completed in 1979, in the realm of languages, humanities, and arts, he proceeded to study law at the Faculty of Law of the University of Leiden, where he obtained his Masters Degree in Law, in 1983.

snip


It's possible that HS in NL may have included the equivalent of an Associates Degree....this would explain his Masters Degree in '83.

Good point 2NJ, that makes sense.

(I asked my DH about it before I posted and he said he must be a dumbazz, but then again he is TRYING to watch a Western on TV so he probably didn't give it much thought.)   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 20, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
I have no idea what I am talking about, but, I think there can be a problem with a joint court...if, for instance, the legislators in a particular country (Aruba) refuse to pass laws that the rest of the "countries" abide by.  I think that is what Wix was complaining about.  Aruba doesn't want to follow the accepted "hidden" surveillance methods because on Aruba they have not passed the necessary laws.  I think the issue is, can the court/prosecutor dictate the rules, even if not legislated?     :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 01:12:31 PM

Eagles cheerleaders not just for football
Sunday, September 20, 2009

By AMY BRISSON
newsroom@delcotimes.com

The minute Krystle Campbell stepped off a military plane in Kuwait, she was hit with an intense blast of hot, dry air and nearly 125-degree heat.

“It was like a blow dryer blowing on you, it was so hot,” she said.

In Campbell’s five years as a cheerleader for the Philadelphia Eagles, the 23-year-old Glen Mills resident has traveled the world performing and modeling.

But going on a goodwill mission to Kuwait and Iraq this July was a completely different experience, she said.

It wasn’t glamorous, like the calendar shoot they did in Aruba this May. Or quite as upbeat as performing in a parade in Hong Kong.

In fact, Campbell said the six cheerleaders on the trip got a taste of real life on a military base, from wearing combat gear to sleeping in “The Can.”

“We were treated really well, they took really good care of us, but we were right in there in the mix,” she said. “Whenever there was a pretty severe sandstorm we were grounded and couldn’t move to the next place. And that’s when we really got to know the soldiers.”

Campbell described it as one of the most amazing experiences she has ever had, especially getting to see the day-to-day life of a soldier on the ground.

“They’re so brave for being over there. Some of them said they had been there for eight months and we were the first entertainment group to come over there,” she said.

-snipped-

http://delcotimes.com/articles/2009/09/20/entertainment/doc4ab59da4560ba253967755.txt

Michael Vick...Now Aruba!Dislike the Eagles more and more everyday... ::MonkeyMad::

The Eagles cheerleaders aren't the only ones who have done their calendar shoots there, probably won't be the last either.  I'm sure AHATA offers great deals for that kind of exposure.  JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 20, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
I have no idea what I am talking about, but, I think there can be a problem with a joint court...if, for instance, the legislators in a particular country (Aruba) refuse to pass laws that the rest of the "countries" abide by.  I think that is what Wix was complaining about.  Aruba doesn't want to follow the accepted "hidden" surveillance methods because on Aruba they have not passed the necessary laws.  I think the issue is, can the court/prosecutor dictate the rules, even if not legislated?     :smt102

Seems to me,that is how the Judges in Aruba like it..Make up the rules as they go! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 20, 2009, 02:31:43 PM
Very true KTF. We learned this early on and it still pisses me off  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 20, 2009, 03:49:51 PM
I have no idea what I am talking about, but, I think there can be a problem with a joint court...if, for instance, the legislators in a particular country (Aruba) refuse to pass laws that the rest of the "countries" abide by.  I think that is what Wix was complaining about.  Aruba doesn't want to follow the accepted "hidden" surveillance methods because on Aruba they have not passed the necessary laws.  I think the issue is, can the court/prosecutor dictate the rules, even if not legislated?     :smt102

Seems to me,that is how the Judges in Aruba like it..Make up the rules as they go! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
Wonder how they got this pic!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

Google translation:

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/abramo-gr.jpg)



September 20, 2009

Abramovich shoot lasers at paparazzi

Paparazzi who prey on a snapshot of Roman Abramovich mega yacht can better avoid the multi-billionaire.

The wealthy Russian reserves at 800 million euro cost-hunting Eclipse lurkers at bay with a laser-driven anti-paparazzi shield, The Times newspaper reported Sunday.

The infrared laser of the device will automatically detect the electronic light sensors of digital cameras. Then a concentrated beam of light fired, making it impossible pictures.

The 42-year-old Russian was on his expensive yacht not only against photographers. The body and windows of the 'floating castle''withstand a missile attack, there is a mini submarine for emergencies and the yacht will shortly have an immune system that projectiles from the air can get. Who unauthorized attempts to board, will get to know an army of protectors consisting of veterans of the French Foreign Legion.

Although Eclipse is better protected than most war, there is no lack of luxury. The 163 meter long yacht most expensive on earth, has two landing platforms for helicopters, two swimming pools and cinema screens in all 24 guest cabins. (Spits)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 06:16:42 PM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

Google translation:

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/zieke%20hond.jpg)

September 3, 2009

"Scent hound Supervisors present themselves too often ill '

ORANGE CITY - It is still fiddling between the leadership of the customs union and Sada. Today, a leaked internal memo written by the section chief Customs investigation and information Schlipken Croes.

It shows his concern about the frequent sick leave at the ranger assistants, which would lead to "large capacity and lack of control in the border areas at the airport, the port and the post office.

Smuggling drugs increase and an increase in the use of official cars for private use would result from the increasing absenteeism. Why is the department head feels "compelled to take some measures to prevent this phenomenon."

For example, detector dogs accompanying their first day of illness at least half hour before the start of the prescribed service report. "If an extension is granted to the sleuth work supervisor at the first inspection at the company, the tracking dog companion on that day to him / her car service entrusted to deliver."

Also, the radio transmitter, training materials for the ranger, the service weapons and ammunition along with the official car be returned at the head of the customs. How this happens is the bloodhound supervisor. If this was not complied with disciplinary action will follow. Customs Trade SADA is not happy.

The union is handing in the training materials for the tracking dog and the dog specially equipped for the fatal car service for dogs. This rule does not apply to all employees, only for escorts bloodhound. This would be the customs directorate double standards, says SADA. (Amigoe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 06:26:53 PM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

Google translation:

September 18, 2009

New Device Police smell marijuana plantation

The canna sniffer

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/cannasniffer.jpg)

Den Haag - All 25 police forces have upon the decision next week on a device that can smell hemp farms.

These so-called sniffer canna in recent months by five brigades successfully tested. The police subsequently purchased 45 copies.

The canna sniffer, which looks like a flashlight, equipped with two sensors. Initially the unit did not know how a hennepkwekerij smoke. Five police forces have asked to do so last year a number of weeks taken to farms to him the smell of hemp to recognize.

We have the sniffer in recent months to make a lot smarter,''said a police spokesman. The more hemp it smells, the more accurate it is. The findings of the five police were positive. The device helps in finding undeniably hemp plantations, even if they are well hidden, said the spokesman.

The prosecution acknowledges the effect of the sniffer and has authorized the nationwide deployment.

The device may be particularly useful for example after a tip about an alleged farm in the anonymous tiplijn Anonymous Crime Report. "With only an anonymous report, you can not raid, the spokesman said." If it hit one of the canna bijkomt sniffer gives a judge or permission.

The canna sniffer can also be used by him in a mini helicopter to confirm. That application is still in beta. (Het Parool / photo: SPD)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
Wonder how they got this pic!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

Google translation:

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/abramo-gr.jpg)



September 20, 2009

Abramovich shoot lasers at paparazzi

Paparazzi who prey on a snapshot of Roman Abramovich mega yacht can better avoid the multi-billionaire.

The wealthy Russian reserves at 800 million euro cost-hunting Eclipse lurkers at bay with a laser-driven anti-paparazzi shield, The Times newspaper reported Sunday.

The infrared laser of the device will automatically detect the electronic light sensors of digital cameras. Then a concentrated beam of light fired, making it impossible pictures.

The 42-year-old Russian was on his expensive yacht not only against photographers. The body and windows of the 'floating castle''withstand a missile attack, there is a mini submarine for emergencies and the yacht will shortly have an immune system that projectiles from the air can get. Who unauthorized attempts to board, will get to know an army of protectors consisting of veterans of the French Foreign Legion.

Although Eclipse is better protected than most war, there is no lack of luxury. The 163 meter long yacht most expensive on earth, has two landing platforms for helicopters, two swimming pools and cinema screens in all 24 guest cabins. (Spits)

Since the laser detects digital cameras, this was probably taken with a 35mm film camera....I still have one.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 06:34:37 PM
I just spent some time looking around Facebook.  While looking a Joran Van Der Sloot's, I saw that his brother, Sebastian was listed as a friend (Sebastian Van Der S).  When I looked at the younger brother's friend list, I noticed that Jossy and Koen are there.  I thought that was interesting, but since they all seen to have hundreds of friends I didn't go through them all.......and I couldn't think of the other bro's name, so I had to give it up.  It was making me  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 06:48:52 PM
I just spent some time looking around Facebook.  While looking a Joran Van Der Sloot's, I saw that his brother, Sebastian was listed as a friend (Sebastian Van Der S).  When I looked at the younger brother's friend list, I noticed that Jossy and Koen are there.  I thought that was interesting, but since they all seen to have hundreds of friends I didn't go through them all.......and I couldn't think of the other bro's name, so I had to give it up.  It was making me  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
Wonder how they got this pic!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

Google translation:

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2009/2009-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/abramo-gr.jpg)



September 20, 2009

Abramovich shoot lasers at paparazzi

Paparazzi who prey on a snapshot of Roman Abramovich mega yacht can better avoid the multi-billionaire.

The wealthy Russian reserves at 800 million euro cost-hunting Eclipse lurkers at bay with a laser-driven anti-paparazzi shield, The Times newspaper reported Sunday.

The infrared laser of the device will automatically detect the electronic light sensors of digital cameras. Then a concentrated beam of light fired, making it impossible pictures.

The 42-year-old Russian was on his expensive yacht not only against photographers. The body and windows of the 'floating castle''withstand a missile attack, there is a mini submarine for emergencies and the yacht will shortly have an immune system that projectiles from the air can get. Who unauthorized attempts to board, will get to know an army of protectors consisting of veterans of the French Foreign Legion.

Although Eclipse is better protected than most war, there is no lack of luxury. The 163 meter long yacht most expensive on earth, has two landing platforms for helicopters, two swimming pools and cinema screens in all 24 guest cabins. (Spits)

Since the laser detects digital cameras, this was probably taken with a 35mm film camera....I still have one.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

duh... :2doh:

I was having a blonde moment.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 20, 2009, 07:21:52 PM
I just spent some time looking around Facebook.  While looking a Joran Van Der Sloot's, I saw that his brother, Sebastian was listed as a friend (Sebastian Van Der S).  When I looked at the younger brother's friend list, I noticed that Jossy and Koen are there.  I thought that was interesting, but since they all seen to have hundreds of friends I didn't go through them all.......and I couldn't think of the other bro's name, so I had to give it up.  It was making me  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=563135080   ::MonkeyWink::

 :2doh:

Of course!!!  I went blank on it, earlier.  I'll have to save this for another time...I had enough for today!   Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 08:25:48 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee22665.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 20, 2009, 10:24:56 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

(45 year old woman killed, 4 month old baby seriously injured, 2 others injured; investigation into cause of accident includes possible driver under the influence of alcohol.)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1768&offId=0

8 minuut happen | fecha: 20/09/2009 | horario: 21:39

accidente at tamarijn owing to let baby seriamente injury cu sla at cabes diadomingo night after of one day enough pisa in trafico rond aruba, owing to surgi one accidente enough earnest at height of tamarijn. here had 3 car envolvi, cu 4 person injury, of cual one madam, identifica because; viviana maria gomes, naci at aruba day 17 of december 1963 (45 aña) owing to come fayece practicamente n’e sitio.un baby owing to being transporta cu urgencia for dr. horacio the. oduber hospital, where past owing to stay interna in cuido intensivo in one situation very delicado debi at the multiple slanan cu the baby owing to achieve at his cabes.e another heridonan is less injury y assure had have to of asistencia medico. the fayecida, vivian maria gomes was live at papaya 11-d. cause of the accidente here is being investiga y as we can owing to hear extraoficialmente, do not exclui cu the chofer causante of the accidente here will is bao of influencia of alcohol.na family of the fayecida is bay we more sincero condolencia.


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12215/8/

viviana gomes owing to fayece after of accidente at tamarijn

sunday, 20 september 2009 - 21:02

algo happen of 8or of tonight, dr. alexander ponson owing to constata dead of viviana maria gomes, naci at aruba day 17-12-1963 y live at papaya # 11-d. as we owing to informa more trempan, owing to sosode in accidente earnest at height of tamarijn in the districto of paradera.un overall of 3 ambulance owing to present at the sitio for transporta the 4 heridonan in the 3 autonan envolvi for hospitaal. two of the heridonan owing to arrive in one situation much important of cual one is one baby of 4 month calling m. de rooi y one lady of cual his identidad do not conoci still. click read more for more informacion y imagen..... at instant cu ambulance owing to transporta the baby the was for of conocemento but at caminda ela cuminsa reacciona. the lady also owing to arrive in one situation earnest y the personal medico abordo of ambulance was pomp his pecho for try re-anime. some minuut happen vocero of police, papito comenencia owing to confirma at 24ora.com cu the lady owing to fayece. is deal here of the chauffeur cu owing to cause the accidente here awetardi late at tamarijn. viviana maria gomes is bay let 2 yui behind, one yui muhe of 24 anja, one another yui man of 8 anja. come across. the not have one work fiho but is sell catochi. the car in cual ela hanja accidenye in dje do not of dje niether, but of one girlfriend cu live in the same compleho of apartment cune. we is send words of compel at famianan of owing to fayecida.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 12:03:09 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/dos-detencion-pa-fraude-miyonario-den-refineria-valero/

Papiamentu translation:

two detencion for fraude miyonario in refineria valero

publication: saturday, 19 september 2009. categoria: general

oranjestad(aan):–e was comentario of day some week happen at instant cu owing to enter informacion cu have one investigacion much big andando in the refineria.e top of the refineria self owing to let haci one investigacion on the coin cu owing to being mafia at one as much profesional.dia cu owing to cuminsa talk of detencion daily paper did take contacto cu ministerio publico cu owing to confirma cu not have none type of complaint entrega till for go over at detencion.

seems cu esnan in refineria owing to prefera of have they asuntonan regulation first y hour cu have the seguridad kendenan y kico owing to happen exactly owing to go over at entrega complaint.ta being talk till even cu owing to busca as of settle cu some for they pay bek.

finalmente was have situacionnan cu will not owing to march good in supuesto settlement because complaint owing to being entrega the first detencionnan owing to cay.den the caso here owing to place hand on two local.aki is traga of giovanni k y also ivan b.

the dosnan here do not work bao of valero but is haci business cu valero. they will is work cu esnan cu is give cierto servicio at the refineria. now cu the detencion owing to cay will go over at interogacion deep of esnan envolvi.

is talk for one of the casonan only of suma of more cu cinco miyon guilder.no is descarta cu have more detencion y also more coin cu will can is envolvi in the fraude here cu owing to costa the refineria miyones.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 21, 2009, 12:10:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee22665.jpg)


PAULUS,PERPS,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS,AS WELL AS AMERICAN TRAITORS..


This girl is your daughter,sister,niece,friend,etc,etc...You disgrace them all with what you've done to this little girl.....WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE TILL NATALEE GET'S WHAT SHE DESERVES...... TRUTH & JUSTICE!ALL EYEZ ON YOU PAULUS,PERPS,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS,AS WELL AS AMERICAN TRAITORS.............DON'T YOU WISH YOU KNEW WHO WAS WATCHING FROM THE WATCHTOWER?TICK_TOCK.............. ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 21, 2009, 12:15:20 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/dos-detencion-pa-fraude-miyonario-den-refineria-valero/

Papiamentu translation:

two detencion for fraude miyonario in refineria valero

publication: saturday, 19 september 2009. categoria: general

oranjestad(aan):–e was comentario of day some week happen at instant cu owing to enter informacion cu have one investigacion much big andando in the refineria.e top of the refineria self owing to let haci one investigacion on the coin cu owing to being mafia at one as much profesional.dia cu owing to cuminsa talk of detencion daily paper did take contacto cu ministerio publico cu owing to confirma cu not have none type of complaint entrega till for go over at detencion.

seems cu esnan in refineria owing to prefera of have they asuntonan regulation first y hour cu have the seguridad kendenan y kico owing to happen exactly owing to go over at entrega complaint.ta being talk till even cu owing to busca as of settle cu some for they pay bek.

finalmente was have situacionnan cu will not owing to march good in supuesto settlement because complaint owing to being entrega the first detencionnan owing to cay.den the caso here owing to place hand on two local.aki is traga of giovanni k y also ivan b.

the dosnan here do not work bao of valero but is haci business cu valero. they will is work cu esnan cu is give cierto servicio at the refineria. now cu the detencion owing to cay will go over at interogacion deep of esnan envolvi.

is talk for one of the casonan only of suma of more cu cinco miyon guilder.no is descarta cu have more detencion y also more coin cu will can is envolvi in the fraude here cu owing to costa the refineria miyones.

Wonder who taught them how to commit fraud!Do they teach that at the ISA? ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 12:36:33 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/dos-detencion-pa-fraude-miyonario-den-refineria-valero/

Papiamentu translation:

two detencion for fraude miyonario in refineria valero

publication: saturday, 19 september 2009. categoria: general

oranjestad(aan):–e was comentario of day some week happen at instant cu owing to enter informacion cu have one investigacion much big andando in the refineria.e top of the refineria self owing to let haci one investigacion on the coin cu owing to being mafia at one as much profesional.dia cu owing to cuminsa talk of detencion daily paper did take contacto cu ministerio publico cu owing to confirma cu not have none type of complaint entrega till for go over at detencion.

seems cu esnan in refineria owing to prefera of have they asuntonan regulation first y hour cu have the seguridad kendenan y kico owing to happen exactly owing to go over at entrega complaint.ta being talk till even cu owing to busca as of settle cu some for they pay bek.

finalmente was have situacionnan cu will not owing to march good in supuesto settlement because complaint owing to being entrega the first detencionnan owing to cay.den the caso here owing to place hand on two local.aki is traga of giovanni k y also ivan b.

the dosnan here do not work bao of valero but is haci business cu valero. they will is work cu esnan cu is give cierto servicio at the refineria. now cu the detencion owing to cay will go over at interogacion deep of esnan envolvi.

is talk for one of the casonan only of suma of more cu cinco miyon guilder.no is descarta cu have more detencion y also more coin cu will can is envolvi in the fraude here cu owing to costa the refineria miyones.

Wonder who taught them how to commit fraud!Do they teach that at the ISA? ::MonkeyHaHa::



Well...just from what I've seen of the art teacher's paintings....maybe...hmmm   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 12:39:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee22665.jpg)


PAULUS,PERPS,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS,AS WELL AS AMERICAN TRAITORS..


This girl is your daughter,sister,niece,friend,etc,etc...You disgrace them all with what you've done to this little girl.....WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE TILL NATALEE GET'S WHAT SHE DESERVES...... TRUTH & JUSTICE!ALL EYEZ ON YOU PAULUS,PERPS,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS,AS WELL AS AMERICAN TRAITORS.............DON'T YOU WISH YOU KNEW WHO WAS WATCHING FROM THE WATCHTOWER?TICK_TOCK.............. ::MonkeyCool::


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 12:57:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 21, 2009, 02:08:32 AM
2nj, thank you for keeping Natalee's candle link in front of us. It just sits right with my heart to keep a candle burning for her memory, and for undying hope that justice for her and her family will someday come!

TM? I know I'm just one of many that find comfort in the consistancy of coming here to find that you have closed the daily discussion with Natalee. That's what it is all about.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 21, 2009, 08:08:12 AM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Is that guy with the papers a casting director?  Tourism official?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on September 21, 2009, 08:14:28 AM
I have no idea what I am talking about, but, I think there can be a problem with a joint court...if, for instance, the legislators in a particular country (Aruba) refuse to pass laws that the rest of the "countries" abide by.  I think that is what Wix was complaining about.  Aruba doesn't want to follow the accepted "hidden" surveillance methods because on Aruba they have not passed the necessary laws.  I think the issue is, can the court/prosecutor dictate the rules, even if not legislated?     :smt102

Seems to me,that is how the Judges in Aruba like it..Make up the rules as they go! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I remember early on, someone tried to bet access to legal/criminal laws in Aruba.  I remember much discussion that no book/documentation existed for the laws.

IIRC, some pointed to PVDS as being a legal scholar/teacher and have a vast knowledge of the law that few possessed.

I wonder if the great Aruba law codes are available in book form?


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 08:29:55 AM
Aruba Premier Expects Agreement With PetroChina Soon, ANP Says

By Bloomberg News

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber expects to be able to agree soon with PetroChina Co. about the sale of a Valero Energy Corp. refinery on the island, Dutch news agency ANP reported, citing the politician.

The refinery is placed “well in the market” given the $16 billion oil exploration agreement between China and Venezuela earlier this month, the Dutch-language agency cited Oduber as saying in a report dated Sept. 20. Talks are under way, he said, according to ANP. Aruba is in the southern Caribbean Sea, north of Venezuela.

San Antonio-based Valero said in July it was continuing talks with PetroChina over the sale of the 275,000 barrel-a-day facility that had been idled because of poor refining margins. The Chinese government has been encouraging its oil companies to buy overseas assets in the global economic slowdown and last week agreed to invest $16 billion in Venezuela to boost oil production.

“This is a good time for PetroChina to be negotiating with Valero Energy because refining margin is at the bottom of the cycle following the global financial crisis,” Gordon Kwan, head of regional energy research at Mirae Asset Securities Ltd. in Hong Kong, said in e-mailed comments today.

Mao Zefeng, the Hong Kong-based spokesman of PetroChina, China’s biggest oil company, didn’t pick up calls made to his office or mobile phone.

Valero Energy, the largest U.S. refiner, said on Sept. 18 it delayed until 2012 the expansion of a crude unit and coker at its refinery in St. Charles, Louisiana, because of poor refining margins. The company this year postponed capital projects totaling $3.4 billion at its North American refineries.

Record Margins

PetroChina, which had record refining profit in the first half, said on Aug. 28 it is considering buying more refineries as opportunities arise from the global crisis.

“There is a good chance that PetroChina can land a very good deal given Valero’s weakened negotiation leverage,” Kwan said.

Valero originally sought $1.5 billion for the refinery while PetroChina continued to seek a lower price, Eric Brete, Aruba’s protocol officer, said on July 20. Valero bought the refinery in March 2004 for $365 million plus $100 million for related marine fuel operations and $250 million for working capital.

-- Joost Akkermans in Hong Kong and Wang Ying in Beijing. Editors: Ang Bee Lin, Tan Hwee Ann.

To contact the Bloomberg News staff on this story: To contact the Bloomberg News staff on this s Ying Wang in Beijing at ywang30@bloomberg.netJoost Akkermans in Hong Kong at jakkermans@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: September 21, 2009 05:50 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601207&sid=a.FL_AeQz7iw#

 


 


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 08:35:23 AM
US offshore tax amnesty deadline prompts rush

by Rob Lever Rob Lever 2 hrs 19 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Americans with offshore bank accounts were scrambling ahead of an amnesty deadline Wednesday to square up back taxes and avoid a likely wave of prosecutions following a disclosure agreement with Swiss bank UBS.

US authorities are moving to crack down on overseas accounts for tax evasion, as highlighted by the settlement with UBS last month to reveal the identities of some 4,450 of its American clients.

The landmark settlement challenged Switzerland's longstanding banking secrecy tradition and was expected to open the door to more prosecution efforts for tax evasion.

Legal experts say the threat of prosecution after the September 23 deadline may prompt a mad rush of Americans with accounts at UBS and other Swiss banks or in other offshore havens to come forward.

"I think there will be thousands, possibly tens of thousands coming forward," said Bill Winter, a tax lawyer with the firm Morris Manning & Martin in Atlanta, Georgia.

Winter said many offshore account holders want to settle with US tax authorities to avoid the prospect of criminal prosecution or stiffer financial penalties.

"Many of the people are not at UBS or other Swiss banks, but they believe that if UBS was first, they will be next," Winter said.

"The sense now is that bank secrecy is a thing of the past. The UBS case brings that message home."

The Internal Revenue Service is also driving that message with a tough line on offshore tax avoidance. Several people have already faced prosecution for using or promoting offshore accounts with UBS.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman suggested there will be no leniency after Wednesday's deadline.

"The IRS will vigorously pursue tax cheats around the world, no matter how remote or secret the location," he said last month.

"And we will work with other governments where possible to obtain the information we need. Wealthy Americans who have hidden their money offshore will find themselves in a jam."

The fate of the 4,450 people on the UBS list remained murky, legal experts said. Those UBS clients may ask for amnesty under the program but might not qualify if the government already has their names and has begun an investigation, say attorneys.

Brian Compton, president of the California-based consultancy Tax Resolution Services, predicted that "there will be a lot of prominent people caught up" in the tax net and that fears were running high.

"You could get 10 years in prison" for failing to file required reports, Compton said. "That's how seriously the IRS takes this."

Someone with one million dollars offshore could face penalties totaling 380,000 dollars under the amnesty, according to Compton, but that could increase to more than 2.1 million dollars after the amnesty expires.

Compton said that persons who want to come forward for the amnesty program must follow rigid procedures to ensure they get favorable treatment.

"This is not something you do by yourself, you want a big-dog attorney with you," he said.

Washington tax attorney Kevin Thorn said a series of US agreements with other countries will make it easier for authorities to identify and prosecute US taxpayers hiding money and assets overseas.

Thorn said information-sharing agreements have been signed with Monaco, Gibraltar, Lichtenstein, Jersey, Isle of Man, Guernsey, Aruba, and the Bahamas.

"These agreements will significantly assist US authorities with asset collection efforts and criminal prosecution on otherwise untouchable offshore account holders," he said.

"Taxpayers need to understand that every day there are fewer and fewer places to hide."

Mark Matthews, a former IRS deputy commissioner who now practices law in Washington, said the amnesty has drawn out wealthy people trying to hide assets but others as well.

"We see Holocaust money, we see longtime multi-generational money that the newest generation didn't even have any understanding about. There are a lot of sympathetic cases," he said.

Matthews noted that the rush to qualify for the amnesty may induce the government to extend the deadline.

"I'm sure there are limits, but it seems like a modest extension of 30 days doesn't frustrate the (government's) purpose and in fact might increase compliance and show a position of strength," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/bs_afp/ustaxbankingjusticeswitzerland_20090921101551


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 08:45:52 AM
::MonkeyCool::



Is that guy with the papers a casting director?  Tourism official?

Looks like I grabbed the live cam shot on 9/6.....the man is just a tourist with a sign.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 21, 2009, 08:55:29 AM
Thanks for that IRS article 2NJ!

I wonder if Renfro is one who is running to beat the amnesty deadline of 2 days from now?  ::MonkeyCool::

Interesting that they've reached an agreement with Aruba - I wonder just how many other ex-pats on that rock are shaking in their boots?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 09:27:12 AM
Thanks for that IRS article 2NJ!

I wonder if Renfro is one who is running to beat the amnesty deadline of 2 days from now?  ::MonkeyCool::

Interesting that they've reached an agreement with Aruba - I wonder just how many other ex-pats on that rock are shaking in their boots?

I had a leery feeling when I read about the agreement with Aruba.  The gov't is one thing, financial institutions is another....then you have holding companies and businesses that show loss of revenue on paper.....The skeptic in me wonders how many will  ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 11:08:46 AM
IRS extends amnesty program for tax cheats

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 17 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Tax dodgers who hid assets overseas will get a few extra weeks to apply for an amnesty program that has been flooded with applications ahead of the Wednesday deadline.

The Internal Revenue Service said Monday the deadline will be extended until Oct. 15.

More than 3,000 Americans have applied for the program, which promises no jail time and reduced penalties for tax cheats who come forward, said a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record ahead of the public announcement.

The IRS is extending the Wednesday deadline to give a rush of applicants more time to prepare their paperwork

The IRS long has had a policy that certain tax evaders who come forward before they are contacted by the agency usually can avoid jail time as long as they agree to pay back taxes, interest and hefty penalties. Drug dealers and money launderers need not apply. But if the money was earned legally, tax evaders can usually avoid criminal prosecution.
Fewer than 100 people apply for the program in a typical year, in part because the penalties can far exceed the value of the hidden account, depending on how long the account holder has evaded U.S. taxes.

But in March, the IRS began a six-month amnesty program that sweetened the offer with reduced penalties for people with undeclared assets.

As the initial deadline approached, the IRS was contacted by tax advisers from across the country requesting more time to prepare applications from a rush of tax cheats looking to come clean, the government official said.

The amnesty program is part of a larger effort by federal authorities to crack down on international tax evaders. In August, the U.S. and Switzerland resolved a court case in which Swiss banking giant UBS AG agreed to turn over details on 4,450 accounts suspected of holding undeclared assets from American customers.

The process of turning over the information is expected to take several months. But once the IRS obtains information about an international tax dodger, they will be ineligible for the amnesty program.

Publicity from the case, even before the agreement was announced, had a lot of wealthy Americans with offshore accounts nervously running to their tax advisers.

Lawyers and advisers from several firms have said they were swamped with calls from people hiding assets overseas. Their advice: Call the IRS before the IRS calls you.

___

On the Net:

IRS: http://www.IRS.gov

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090921/ap_on_go_ot/us_tax_haven_crackdown


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 21, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if Renfro's hidden stash was earned legally?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 12:35:12 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if Renfro's hidden stash was earned legally?  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::     Guess that all depends on whose laws we're looking at...
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62728.php

Google translation:

Thai entrepreneurs explore Aruban market

September 21, 2009, 14:29 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Free Zone Aruba (FZA) was recently visited by two representatives of Thai Trade Center, Thanavee Rithichaipaibul (third from left in photo) and Pheeraphat Phatraprasit (second from right). Their visit was to market and they were also looking for marketing opportunities for Thai products in Aruba, such as food cans, furniture and handicrafts. So they visited various institutions and organizations together with officials of FZA and External Relations Department, to inform yourself about the terms Aruba proposes to trade. Their goal is ultimately to the free zone of Aruba to be used as a logistics center for Thai exporters who want to broaden their business to Aruba and the Caribbean. Thai Trade Center is in Miami and is part of the Department of Export Promotion Ministry of Commerce, the Government of Thailand.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:26:05 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:30:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62734.php

Google translation:

Taxation Agreement with France

September 21, 2009, 14:37 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / PARIS - A delegation from the Tax Department (SIAD) has recently reached an agreement with France on the exchange of tax information. The draft agreement of the Tax Information Exchange Agreement (TIEA) was initialed by both countries. Expected in the near term the final agreement signed.

SIAD also reports that Belgium and Germany agreed on information exchange on tax matters.

TIEA agreements have now been signed with Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles, United States, Spain, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, British Virgin Islands and St. Kitts and Nevis .

Tax Agreements with these countries avoid Aruba on the "gray list" of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) chain. This means that international Aruba is no longer regarded as a tax haven. In accordance with the standards of OECD, Aruba had at least twelve sign bilateral tax treaties, to be withdrawn from the black list of tax havens.

OECD is a grouping of thirty countries for social and economic policy to discuss, examine and coordinate. The member countries try to solve common problems and seek international policy to. Netherlands and the United States are among the founding countries of this connection.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:33:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62732.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"No new developments Petro China '

September 21, 2009, 14:36 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - In several Dutch and international media published the message today Prime Minister Nelson Oduber indicating assuming "soon a" good deal "to contracts with Petro China. Amigoe contacted Manolo Giel, spokesman of the government. This gave, after having checked with the Prime Minister, that there are no concrete developments since the last correspondence from September 8.

"There's been no reply to our letter of September 8," said Giel. "Well we reported last week that PetroChina 16 billion U.S. dollars of an agreement concluded with Venezuela." The article shows the Prime Minister know that in this context 'if only for strategic reasons, "the refinery is well in the market. Also underlines again the principal terms of the government for the acquisition of the Valero refinery and criticizes it in the recent years 'no money' to tax paid and have nothing invested in the refinery.

Stroeve negotiations
Amigoe published in the September 11 letter to Prime Minister Oduber Petro China showing that the negotiations were anything but smooth. The letter Oduber that the Aruban government is still willing to negotiate with Petro China, provided they are prepared to enter an open discussion about the conditions in Aruba proposes a possible takeover. So Aruba is a maximum occupancy of workers in the Aruba refinery, a guarantee of investment in facilities, care for the environment and a reasonable payment of taxes. Petro China came with a set of conditions that almost contrary to that of the Aruban government. Thus the Chinese state as much as possible to own workers in the refinery, let it not pay taxes and wants the same, twenty years old Coastal environmental conditions are. Petro China also wanted to have only one written response from Aruba on that package, without going into the terms of the Aruban government.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:38:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62733.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

'Court not 100 percent local judges'

September 21, 2009, 14:36 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba should not merely from local judges. It is the combination of judges from here and keep each from the Netherlands sent judges 'increasing sharply'. That said, the President of the Court, Lisbeth Wire Hoef, last Friday during the installation of the new judges in Aruba to get started.

The president was silent during the extended occupation of the court where she found that "the Common Court of Caribisering hardly increases. "I venture to say that the number of local judges today, compared to twenty years ago, for example, that percentage has declined and is no good reason." She pulls the white sheet on taking, especially since the court has a more wait - had in attracting the right candidates for training. "That wait-and is therefore partly responsible for that in the past fifteen years much candidates have registered for training." Hoof Thread contends that the court is "too little" to have done to the idea that many lawyers prevailed , namely that the court would not be interested to judge local candidates to lead the world to help. Another point is the right language, Dutch, making it for some who do not speak at home, difficult for the educations, said hofpresident. "A verdict must be clearly and not unambiguous. A court may award, once it was delivered, not explain. It should be a good time. "

Wire Hoof said that the court has taken when it was realized that attracting local judges went well. So a special judge appointed as a training coordinator for training structure. Also the court has been hesitant in a proactive change. It is actively recruited in the legal profession, as among universities of the Antilles and Aruba to 'promising' lawyers and students. Also try the internships with local students warm to court for the right shelf. Last year and this year lectures in the Netherlands Antillean-Aruban association of law students. And there is an advertisement posted on the website of the Antillean university, which will follow shortly on the website of the Aruban university, as it lies at the court.

Fresh blood
However, with rod gives Hoef, the results are not overwhelming. The number of judges in training (rio) and judicial personnel in training (raio's) will however steadily, but said the hofpresident: "You do not expect the court at one point will be 100 percent locally." She blames this to the still limited interest in the islands, the high court claims and demands of the long period of training. Hoof still sees this as a thread of concern: "I am absolutely convinced the court should not pursue a 100 percent local cast." By judges from the Netherlands in its flows, "always new, fresh blood by the court which causes there is no place for the rust of old ideas ". "Fixed judges keep each other sharp and broadcast." Thus, local judges, guest judges learn more about local customs and culture and vice versa they can learn new ideas inspired by international legal developments. "This crossover is no different than to be known as enriching. It serves to promote professionalism, "said Hoef Wire.

The new judges were installed Friday, Mewe Christine and Ingrid van Acker, are from the Netherlands, but still had a surprise for the audience. They both spoke in Papiamento to indicate that it was important to this language to communicate better during litigation. "Then we know for example that arroz ta kima also may be something different than the rice cooks," Van Acker said that a criminal will do much. Mewe will essentially to look into administrative and staff matters.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:47:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62730.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Remkes uses obsolete texts'

September 21, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - MP Johan Remkes (VVD) are based Kamervragen last week, following the draft report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on money laundering and terrorist financing in Aruba, on outdated texts. This explains the government in a letter to Secretary of the Interior and Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA).

The letter was signed by Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice and Nilo Swaen (MEP), Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs. The Ministers referred to Remkes 'outdated texts from a text of the work of the secretariat, which is not public and only serve for discussion between the Secretariat of the FATF and Aruban officials concerned.' "These texts are in response to comments from Aruba side already adapted. "The final text of the Mutual Evaluation Report of Aruba, Kingdom of the Netherlands is only at the FATF plenary meeting, scheduled between October 16 and 14 in Paris, set. An assessment of the FATF report and a picture of the anti-money laundering policies in Aruba can only then be formed, the minister said the State explicitly indicates to experience this in its reply to the questions of Remkes.

"Disastrous picture"

Johan Remkes will of both the State and Minister of Finance Wouter Bos (PvdA) know what actions the leaders plan to take the bad reputation of the Kingdom at this point to make. He also wants an explanation about the state of play regarding the instructions to do research on corruption and integrity of management to Aruba. The Member of Parliament questions, in this context also wondering what the opinion of the directors about the "disastrous outlined 'picture of the situation on the Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Combating the Financing of Terrorism (CFT) on Aruba.

In June sent Rudy Lampe (RED) is an open letter to the State in which he expressed his concern that Aruba did not comply with the rules for combating laundering of the FATF. This would probably Aruba on the black list of the organization.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:50:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62729.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

MSI calls refinery acquisition candidates

September 21, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - In an open letter to the government insists MSI-party Danny van der Linde to make official contact with five potential candidates, whom the party had already contacted. These five oil companies are interested Trafigura and Glencore from Switzerland, the Spanish Arevenca, the Russian oil giant Gazprom and, as previously was announced by the party, the Venezuelan state PdVSA.

"The so-Valero situation caused great economic dislocation and human suffering in the Aruban community. We believe that the extent and nature of this crisis does not allow personal or political party (political) interests, this may play some role. Our deep concern about this issue has moved to us, in the interest of Aruba for possible solutions ", says Van der Linde. MSI has a number of companies sought and "actually willing to speak with the Aruban government on taking over the refinery. According to Van der Linde are all those multinationals willing to under the current tax regime to operate and also to invest in the refinery, "without being exceptional conditions to". "Evident here is also that these companies operate under strict anti-corruption policy measures and some of them even offer preferential rates," the party.

Last week, Prime Minister Oduber during a press conference to have no objection to any negotiations with the Venezuelan oil company PdVSA. "I have good relations with Venezuela and am prepared to if necessary, in the interest of the Aruban people to the table with them about the refinery," said the prime minister.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:51:11 PM


Hi 2NJ!   ::MonkeyDance::  I hope you've had a good day today!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:54:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62727.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

'Secret' votes

September 21, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

Even four days and then comes the moment of truth. After long campaign, we will finally see who chooses Aruba. But while confidentiality of your vote, I doubt. At least, when I see the Aruban voting booths ...

On Friday, September 11, the parliament decided to change and to bring to the voting booths. And this to the electorate to "guarantee" that voting 'secret' remains. Still, I fill the terms 'guarantee' and 'secrecy' is very different than actually being done now. Because the confidentiality your own voice, as you state in an open ballot box to vote?

The official measurements are according to the Electoral Aruba Regulation as follows: from the desk are two opaque sides of at least 110 centimeters high and 100 centimeters wide and an opaque rear wall of at least 50 inches high. And at the top of the front of the voting booth curtains are made of opaque black cloth below the height of the lectern. In short: everyone in the polling station may at length see that you vote. Since the entire polling station just to your moves and go where your eyes focus, you can see in the list vote.

The purpose of this whole "functional" change is actually crazier to call, then this whole secrecy story: the prevention of the use of cameras and mobile phones in the booths. In the past because people were so greedy to have the photos to use their vote against payment is required. I see again the rotten apples from the group emerge. The weirdest I think that only two people from the opposition were present at the vote that "targeted" change. MPA-leader Monica Kock was among others in and voted against. And she said something very meaningful: "People can still take pictures. You shoot your target is over, because this is not the solution to this problem. "

In the Netherlands I only voted once. Secret ballot. There is a ballot box by law from a rear wall and two sidewalls, each having at least one meters wide and two meters high. And people are there no pictures of their own voice. At least, not for payment. So if anyone here in a normal way to vote, is it really possible for a secret vote. That is the secret.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 05:55:33 PM
OT, but somewhat related.....            ::MonkeyDevil2::
(http://media2.myfoxny.com//photo/2009/09/14/AP090615043644_20090914112725_320_240.JPG)
Monserrate Jury Selection Tuesday
State Senator Accused Of Assault
Updated: Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:34 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:34 AM EDT

NEW YORK - Hiram Monserrate was a politician on the rise.  Elected to the state Legislature last year, he grabbed headlines
for staging a historic coup against his party.

The state senator's career could be over if he's convicted of attacking his girlfriend, a charge he has repeatedly denied. Jury selection is slated for Tuesday in his assault trial.

Monserrate, a former Marine and ex-cop, was arguing with Karla Giraldo at his apartment late Dec. 18. By the time it was over, she required 20 stitches around her left eye.

Jurors must now decide whether the Democrat accidentally tripped and fell into her while holding a glass of water, or whether Monserrate, 42, did it on purpose in a fit of jealous rage. If convicted on the top charge, a felony, he faces seven years in prison and automatic loss of his senate seat.

If he's convicted of a misdemeanor, he could serve out his term, but it's not clear how his image will fare. Douglas Muzzio, a political science professor at Baruch College, said it could be difficult to win women voters.
"But then again, there are any number of 'Lazaruses' in New York City and American politics," Muzzio said.

The case hinges on Giraldo.  Initially, prosecutors said she told officers that an enraged Monserrate broke a glass in his hand, then use the jagged edge to slice her face. The argument spilled into the hallway, where surveillance video captured a frightened, bleeding woman in distress, according to the police report.

But after Giraldo learned officers planned to arrest Monserrate she changed her account, saying it was an accident and that she did not want to press charges, prosecutors said.  She will almost certainly be called as a witness. "How you prove the case without calling her as a witness, I  don't know," said Monserrate's attorney, Joseph Tacopina.

Tacopina said he might call her in Monserrate's defense if Queens prosecutors do not. Prosecutors wouldn't comment. Giraldo maintains her injuries weren't intentionally caused, the attorney said.

"He rushed her to the hospital," Tacopina said. "She told people it was an accident. So did he. It was an accident."


Monserrate worked to mend his damaged image almost immediately, issuing public statements proclaiming his innocence and noting he had worked during his 12 years as a city police officer to put men in jail who abused women.

He also claimed District Attorney Richard Brown was out to get him.

Brown's office handles more than 5,000 cases annually and his spokesman said this case was being handled no differently. Tacopina said that Monserrate had been offered a plea deal but he didn't take it.

"He is not going to acknowledge guilt, even for some low-level crime, because he is innocent," he said.  A restraining order prevents Giraldo and Monserrate from seeing  each other, but "they're together in spirit," Tacopina said.


Just weeks after the incident, the former city councilman was sworn in to the state Senate, and named chairman of the consumer affairs committee. This summer, he and fellow Democrat Pedro Espada Jr. brazenly ignited a coup in the Senate by joining a Republican-dominated coalition that overthrew the majority. The deadlock lasted a month before it was resolved.

Muzzio said Monserrate's role in the Senate coup could further hurt his tarnished image. "There's a conviction or lack of conviction and then there's the court of public opinion," he said. "He may appear unstable on many levels. You don't come back from that."

Copyright Associated Press, Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/090914_monserrate_jury_selection_tuesday


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 05:59:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62726.php

ARUBA



WCA will visit international

September 21, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Women's Club of Aruba in the context of the celebration of its 75th anniversary visited by delegations of women's organizations in the U.S., Brazil and Curacao. Rose Ditto, chairing the International General Federation of Women's Clubs in Washington DC, representatives of Osculda Grupo Kontento Uni and Steering Committee from Curacao and CRE-SER Club in Sao Paulo, Brazil were invited to a number of activities. Thus the celebration committee had a workshop, a lecture, a Bus tour around the island, a high tea party, a family day and a gala party was organized.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
OT, but somewhat related.....            ::MonkeyDevil2::
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Monserrate Jury Selection Tuesday
State Senator Accused Of Assault
Updated: Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:34 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:34 AM EDT

NEW YORK - Hiram Monserrate was a politician on the rise.  Elected to the state Legislature last year, he grabbed headlines
for staging a historic coup against his party.

The state senator's career could be over if he's convicted of attacking his girlfriend, a charge he has repeatedly denied. Jury selection is slated for Tuesday in his assault trial.

Monserrate, a former Marine and ex-cop, was arguing with Karla Giraldo at his apartment late Dec. 18. By the time it was over, she required 20 stitches around her left eye.

Jurors must now decide whether the Democrat accidentally tripped and fell into her while holding a glass of water, or whether Monserrate, 42, did it on purpose in a fit of jealous rage. If convicted on the top charge, a felony, he faces seven years in prison and automatic loss of his senate seat.

If he's convicted of a misdemeanor, he could serve out his term, but it's not clear how his image will fare. Douglas Muzzio, a political science professor at Baruch College, said it could be difficult to win women voters.
"But then again, there are any number of 'Lazaruses' in New York City and American politics," Muzzio said.

The case hinges on Giraldo.  Initially, prosecutors said she told officers that an enraged Monserrate broke a glass in his hand, then use the jagged edge to slice her face. The argument spilled into the hallway, where surveillance video captured a frightened, bleeding woman in distress, according to the police report.

But after Giraldo learned officers planned to arrest Monserrate she changed her account, saying it was an accident and that she did not want to press charges, prosecutors said.  She will almost certainly be called as a witness. "How you prove the case without calling her as a witness, I  don't know," said Monserrate's attorney, Joseph Tacopina.

Tacopina said he might call her in Monserrate's defense if Queens prosecutors do not. Prosecutors wouldn't comment. Giraldo maintains her injuries weren't intentionally caused, the attorney said.

"He rushed her to the hospital," Tacopina said. "She told people it was an accident. So did he. It was an accident."


Monserrate worked to mend his damaged image almost immediately, issuing public statements proclaiming his innocence and noting he had worked during his 12 years as a city police officer to put men in jail who abused women.

He also claimed District Attorney Richard Brown was out to get him.

Brown's office handles more than 5,000 cases annually and his spokesman said this case was being handled no differently. Tacopina said that Monserrate had been offered a plea deal but he didn't take it.

"He is not going to acknowledge guilt, even for some low-level crime, because he is innocent," he said.  A restraining order prevents Giraldo and Monserrate from seeing  each other, but "they're together in spirit," Tacopina said.


Just weeks after the incident, the former city councilman was sworn in to the state Senate, and named chairman of the consumer affairs committee. This summer, he and fellow Democrat Pedro Espada Jr. brazenly ignited a coup in the Senate by joining a Republican-dominated coalition that overthrew the majority. The deadlock lasted a month before it was resolved.

Muzzio said Monserrate's role in the Senate coup could further hurt his tarnished image. "There's a conviction or lack of conviction and then there's the court of public opinion," he said. "He may appear unstable on many levels. You don't come back from that."

Copyright Associated Press, Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/090914_monserrate_jury_selection_tuesday

Glad I don't have to worry about being called for that one...my mind's made up.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 06:19:08 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12249/5/#jc_allComments

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Papiamentu translation:

two hurista new for departamento of legislacion

local monday, 21 september 2009 - 16:48

ministro of husticia sir rudy croes owing to ricibi at his office two hurista new for her departamento of asuntonan huridico y legislacion. both hurista is aruban y they will reforsa the equipment of huristanan cu have cu work among another upstairs various ley for we country.indra duarte owing to gradua recientemente at universidad of aruba y marcel ‘t mannetje is one graduado of universidad of leiden at the netherlands.ministro of husticia owing to desea y tanto mr. indra duarte because; mr. marcel ‘t mannetje much exito in they work cu will is at beneficio of aruba. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 21, 2009, 06:26:21 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyShocked::

Hey Magnolia!  How terrible!  I'm glad you got it straightened out, I've been wondering where you were!

Everything's good, except there's no news to report in Natalee's case.   ::MonkeyWaa::

THANKS Klaas!   ::MonkeyCheer3::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

You were missed...I have to tell you that I got locked out this afternoon, too, for a little bit.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 21, 2009, 06:38:07 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyShocked::

Hey Magnolia!  How terrible!  I'm glad you got it straightened out, I've been wondering where you were!

Everything's good, except there's no news to report in Natalee's case.   ::MonkeyWaa::

THANKS Klaas!   ::MonkeyCheer3::




It is mighty quiet.  I keep hoping that Jaap guy's lie detector show with Joran will air.

I think I read somewhere that it might air the end of September.  I hope so!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyShocked::

Hey Magnolia!  How terrible!  I'm glad you got it straightened out, I've been wondering where you were!

Everything's good, except there's no news to report in Natalee's case.   ::MonkeyWaa::

THANKS Klaas!   ::MonkeyCheer3::




It is mighty quiet.  I keep hoping that Jaap guy's lie detector show with Joran will air.

I think I read somewhere that it might air the end of September.  I hope so!


I've been thinking the same!   ::MonkeyCool::

I've been watching a couple of the Dutch newspapers to see if they print anything else about it, nothing so far.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 21, 2009, 06:42:30 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

You were missed...I have to tell you that I got locked out this afternoon, too, for a little bit.   

A little bit I can handle.  I was locked out for two or three days.
I hated to bother Klaas, but finally saw nothing else to do.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 06:49:52 PM

I saw caesu logged in for just a little while a few days ago...thought he might know something, but he didn't post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 07:02:39 PM
Old article...

http://www.crimesite.nl/crimesite/algemeen/terror-jaap-praat-over-joran-van-der-sloot.html

Google translation:

Terror Jaap talks about Joran van der Sloot

Crime Site - General

WEDNESDAY, 29 APRIL 2009 @ 16:35

Terror Jaap CRIMETIP breaks his silence and talks candidly about his encounter with Joran van der Sloot. Joran agrees to a lie detector test for Jaap's television. "He had a big gambling debts with someone who you think should not have, so I thought 'if I invest in you get more grip on you'." At the appointed time let Joran runs away. Michael: "The whole production was prepared so I called him and said." You know what I know about you. If you fail to fulfill your request, I can not but make a documentary about how you have cheated me. " Joran has finally made it to the polygraph test, according to Jaap. Terror Jaap is under the media with a waking problem because until now no station would be interested. And that would be regrettable.


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"They all began to shake.''

We believe that the polygraph test is not Joran just disappears in a dusty desk drawer. We would not know what a possible machinations behind the scenes took place at Terror Jaap with Joran's lie detector test to Kalt. Provided that there are clearly forces that want to avoid Joran this time perhaps the truth and that through that broadcast to light. We want the truth and nothing but the truth into the sea again so Joran can walk safely on streets and provide Terror Jaap on his program but then Joran Crime Site.

Otherwise, stay tuned on Crime Site because then you always have an alibi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

You were missed...I have to tell you that I got locked out this afternoon, too, for a little bit.   

A little bit I can handle.  I was locked out for two or three days.
I hated to bother Klaas, but finally saw nothing else to do.

I'm glad Klaas straightened it all out.  The only thing I know is that you can't change the email you registered with....so your situation sounds more complicated. 

When we go away and I don't have access, it drives me nuts, but there have been a couple of times where our cable has gone out and I just have to wait.  That forces me to be a little more productive around the home front.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 07:20:31 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=59837820989&topic=11340

Topic: VIOLENT HUMAN TRAFFICKER SABAN BARAN FLEES DUTCH PRISON
Displaying the only post.

Post #1
Michelle wrote on September 17, 2009 at 4:50pm
Dutch police were hunting Thursday for one of the country's most notorious human traffickers after he fled while on a temporarily release from prison to visit his wife and newborn baby.

A court's decision last week to allow Saban Baran out of his cell for a week to visit his family has caused outrage in the Netherlands, where he was serving a seven-and-a-half-year sentence for human trafficking.

"We are talking here about a terrible blunder in the law," said Fred Teeven, a former senior prosecutor who is now a lawmaker for the center-right Liberal Party.

Baran, 38, was convicted last year of leading a gang notorious for forcing more than 100 women into prostitution, tattooing some of them to mark them as the gang's property. Prosecutors also say some women who came from Germany and eastern Europe were forced to have breast implants and illegal abortions while working in brothels in Amsterdam and other Dutch cities.

READ HERE:

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2009/09/human-trafficker-saban-baran-flees-from.html


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http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/09/fury_over_human_trafficker_esc.php

Fury over human trafficker escape

Thursday 17 September 2009

MPs have demanded justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin explain how a convicted and violent human trafficker came to be given a few days leave from prison and then vanished.

Saban Baran is currently appealing against a 7.5 year jail sentence for forcing over 100 women into prostitution, together with his brother.

Baran had been allowed home to visit his new baby, born to one of his trafficking victims whom he married from jail in January.

According to the Telegraaf, the Arnhem court gave the go-ahead to the compassionate leave, despite the objections of the public prosecution department, which said he was a flight risk and that it had been tipped off he was making travel plans.

Police say they expect Baran has fled to Turkey and an international arrest warrant has been issued. The Netherlands does not have an extradition treaty with Turkey.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 21, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

You were missed...I have to tell you that I got locked out this afternoon, too, for a little bit.   

A little bit I can handle.  I was locked out for two or three days.
I hated to bother Klaas, but finally saw nothing else to do.

 ::MonkeyEek:: I would have went through withdrawl.  Klaas would have gotten an email from me after a half hour of trying  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .

Glad you made it back in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30197018&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=59837820989&aid=-1&id=1237872929&oid=59837820989

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 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 08:04:20 PM
Hey ya'll. ::MonkeyBike::

I have been locked out.  Lightening struck and the lights went off and when I tried to sign
in, it said there was no such user as Magnolia. :smt102

Finally, I asked Klaas to help me and as usual she pulled me through ::MonkeyJnBox::

I hope all is well! ::MonkeyCool::

You were missed...I have to tell you that I got locked out this afternoon, too, for a little bit.   

A little bit I can handle.  I was locked out for two or three days.
I hated to bother Klaas, but finally saw nothing else to do.

 ::MonkeyEek:: I would have went through withdrawl.  Klaas would have gotten an email from me after a half hour of trying  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .

Glad you made it back in.

Me too San.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 21, 2009, 08:53:39 PM
Good Night, Night Time Crew...!









Bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on September 21, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62121.php
Google translation:
ARUBA
"Journalists need to hunt less emotion '
September 8, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)
ORANJESTSTAD - The one-sided coverage of criminal cases in which journalists Click for zoom mainly on emotions instead of facts, has an adverse effect on the legal system. This, Dirk Herman de Jong, professor of criminal law at the University of Groningen. For these "media justice", as De Jong calls, deter, it is increasingly important that the Public Ministry and the courts actively feeding the media with facts.
by Sharina Henriquez
<snip>
Quote
"The danger is that more private investigators come in their own way trying to find the truth and not as likely to respect citizens' privacy. Because they are not bound by civilian investigators such as police and judicial legal rules."

My thoughts on that Professor De Jong are that once any citizen chooses to take away another's God given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...they revoke any right to privacy in regards to that crime against mankind!
JMO

Exactly!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 08:57:00 PM
Good Night, Night Time Crew...!









Bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Mere!  Sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 08:58:20 PM



Hi Sleuth!  It's good to see you!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 21, 2009, 10:44:58 PM



Hi Sleuth!  It's good to see you!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hey ya' Sleuth!  I second that.  It's good to see you!  And sorry I missed you.  Hurry back!   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 11:00:40 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/bobierno-ta-bay-anuncia-cu-lo-inicia-cu-e-proyecto-ritz-carlton/

Papiamentu translation:

gobierno is bay anuncia cu will inicia cu the proyecto ritz carlton

publication: monday, 21 september 2009. categoria: general

in week of eleccion: oranjestad (aan): none person can compronde more kico gobierno of nel oduber is haciendo in the ultimo dianan here. not only is yenando departamentonan of gobierno cu all sort of person in all sort of funcion cu is worde crea in pura, but also is come cu proyectonan cu have añanan sleep in drawer without cu never owing to haci nothing cu they. proyectonan cu assure not always is good for aruba. one of the proyectonan so is the famous y so discuti hotel of cinco stars ritz carlton. the saltonan deadly here is show the desesperacion overall of the gobierno here.

in the week here gobierno cu very fanfaria is bay try of anuncia cu now if they owing to stay cla cu financiamento of the proyecto ritz carlton y cu will cuminsa cu his construccion. aparte of the achievement cu none person wanted see more hotel at aruba y assure not pabou of bridge at the lugar beautiful here at where have much actividad acuatico, turism of aruba is in so one bad estado cu neither cuanto hotel the gobierno here come cu ne, this will not help mehora the situation dramatico y penoso cu aruba is in at the momentonan here.

have to fix the situation in turism first cu come cu proyectonan of cua they financiamento is doubtful.

at year 2001, hour cu sr. nel oduber his gobierno did take rienda of country aruba, we first mandatario owing to anuncia “loud and clear” for everybody hear cu will come one hotel of cinco stars at san nicolas. habitantenan of san nicolas owing to keep all the time on they hotel of 5 stars of ritz carlton y owing to stay hand bashi.

for of fuentenan good at height daily paper owing to come hear cu financiamento owing to stay cla, but cu this obviamente is come only of aruba only. sr.frendsel giel, director of aib have to responde at people of aruba of where the coin here is come y con the can owing to bay of acuerdo cu algo semehante so. we owing to compronde cu is 80 miyon dollar only have for construi the famous ritz carlton here y cu the part more big of the coin here is come of organizacionnan aruban.

hour cu sr. oduber some year happen owing to anuncia cu the hotel ritz carlton will not bay san nicolas more, but at where have fisherman’s hut, past owing to tell cu this is one proyecto of 250 miyon dollar. con now the can hustifica cu is only 80 miyon dollar have available for one proyecto of one enbergadura so. cu 80 miyon not can work neither one hotel of two stars, corda one of 5 stars. that is take that haci in the asunto notorio here?

the question more big ta: that is bay construi the hotel here?? daily paper have entendi cu sr. nel oduber owing to give walter stipa permission for haci this. walter stipa his famous plan is for work the hotel here at one form cheap is door of trece venezolanonan here at aruba for work pe, pagando they one salary much under. but sr. stipa have to as good at cuenta cu at aruba we leynan do not permiti for abusa of trahadornan.

this kiermen cu all the construccion here will not bay help none aruban niether, already cu the trahadornan will come of venezuela. is con gobierno is believe cu the can sell this cu people of aruba.

sr. oduber y his gobierno same cu sr. giel of aib have to responde at people y contesta the questions clave cu have on mesa: 1) of where financiamento is come? 2) con is bay construi one hotel of cinco stars cu 80 miyon cu will have to owing to costa 250 miyon y 3) if is berdad cu is walter stipa owing to achieve permission for work the hotel here cu trahadornan venezolano 5) sr. stipa mag of pay sueldonan cu is bay provided that contra of we leynan?

sr. first minister oduber, you have work on the proyecto here of ritz carlton for 8 year without mucho exito, can please not haci one aberration estupido in the week of eleccion. one aberration cu will haci the people of aruba dolor.ningun person is sit keep on another eskeleto ugly near of we beachnan beautiful. this is nifica the golpi deadly for we turism.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/bobierno-ta-bay-anuncia-cu-lo-inicia-cu-e-proyecto-ritz-carlton/

Response to the above article:

september 21, 2009 at 4:36 pm carlos severino tromp

i is believe with people have to cuminsa cu action of protest fast ministerio publico for husticia y for detene nel oduber (mep) for his abusonan cu patrimonio of people y corrupshon at alto degree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 11:16:33 PM
9/17/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

minister rudy croes during conferencia of prensa owing to tell cu aruba live of turism y is important for nothing happen y aruba stay the same cordial without incidente cu will can bring we in one luz negative abroad. so past owing to anuncia cu is suspende entrente immediate all permission of arm legal till day 15 of november. can read more tocante the decicion here at pagina 3. come across.

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Papiamentu translation:

none person can lever caya arm more this is stay at vigor till 15 of november

minister rudy croes during conferencia of prensa owing to tell cu aruba live of turism y is important for nothing happen y aruba stay the same cordial without incidente cu will can bring we in one luz negative abroad. pesey did take several decision ultimamente as for example the cancelacion of the two paradanan of day 20 because esakinan will owing to bring inseguridad. more aleu the is tell cu the aruba of today do not the same of 65 thousand inhabitant, cu have 120 thousand inhabitant cu 75 thousand naci at aruba y 45 thousand in exterior, es decir, owing to achieve much person of afor cu all the riesgonan cu the is bring, according rudy croes.

so past owing to anuncia cu is suspende entrente immediate all permission of arm legal till day 15 of november, this is encera permission of arm of all club y person, cu excepcion of the instancianan oficial cu have to of dje as police y douane recherche. the personanan can stay cu they arm at home, but not mag lever caya cu ne. minister rudy croes owing to haci one peticion also at all person at aruba cu have arm ilegal. the arm ilegal can wordo entrega without riesgo some, ministerio publico, cuerpo policial y direccion of seguridad nacional is trahando on con is the mihor form for haci this. this is one advertencia much earnest at everybody cu live at aruba for entregue at the instancianan oficial without none type of consecuencia. if not haci this, the instancianan oficial will bay buscanan y the person will can cay close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 11:42:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62730.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Remkes uses obsolete texts'

September 21, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - MP Johan Remkes (VVD) are based Kamervragen last week, following the draft report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on money laundering and terrorist financing in Aruba, on outdated texts. This explains the government in a letter to Secretary of the Interior and Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA).

The letter was signed by Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice and Nilo Swaen (MEP), Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs. The Ministers referred to Remkes 'outdated texts from a text of the work of the secretariat, which is not public and only serve for discussion between the Secretariat of the FATF and Aruban officials concerned.' "These texts are in response to comments from Aruba side already adapted. "The final text of the Mutual Evaluation Report of Aruba, Kingdom of the Netherlands is only at the FATF plenary meeting, scheduled between October 16 and 14 in Paris, set. An assessment of the FATF report and a picture of the anti-money laundering policies in Aruba can only then be formed, the minister said the State explicitly indicates to experience this in its reply to the questions of Remkes.

"Disastrous picture"

Johan Remkes will of both the State and Minister of Finance Wouter Bos (PvdA) know what actions the leaders plan to take the bad reputation of the Kingdom at this point to make. He also wants an explanation about the state of play regarding the instructions to do research on corruption and integrity of management to Aruba. The Member of Parliament questions, in this context also wondering what the opinion of the directors about the "disastrous outlined 'picture of the situation on the Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Combating the Financing of Terrorism (CFT) on Aruba.

In June sent Rudy Lampe (RED) is an open letter to the State in which he expressed his concern that Aruba did not comply with the rules for combating laundering of the FATF. This would probably Aruba on the black list of the organization.


9/17/2009 Awe Mainta Page 8

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

gobierno of aruba let demasiado take lugar raport devastador is señala cu aruba owing to wash coin by teroristanan

pa: godfried adem

amsterdam - politica dutch is contento cu operacion behind politiconan cu is envolvi in casonan doubtful at bonaire, esta politiconan cual is envolvi in cosnan cu light of day not can see.esaki also they're desea at aruba, esta for trece one end at practicanan doubtful cual is tumando lugar in gobernacion at aruba cu anda is form part of kingdom dutch.

es more already end gobierno dutch owing to priminti of will inicia cu one investigacion as cu gobierno actual at aruba is desea this or not. have several ‘voor onderzoek ‘cu owing to come take lugar in secreto y cu dentro of some will stay entrega of part of nationale recherche dienst cu is resorta bao of the functioneel parket, cu is investiga casonan of crimen organisa in kingdom cu also is being calling landelijk parket.

aworaki if is assure cu aruba have of wordo investiga of form intensivo. this debi at one raport cual financial action task force (fatf) cual is one organacion internacional owing to work in cual aruba his name is come on first plano. this relaciona cu labamento of coin, where till even coin is being wash for sostene organcionnan terrorism in exterior.

the raport here is uno desastrozo y is trece till even sobra paisnan in kingdom in one light very masha negative self.esaki have consequencianan financiero economico for aruba assure.

pesey self in parliament dutch have algo acolyte cu is much preocupa pe ultimo desaroyo here y wanted know of secretario of estado for asunto of kingdom, sra ank bijleveld kico the is bay haci cu the informacion here y sugerencianan of the organo internacional here. one of they're sr. johan remkes, that is acolyte of parliament dutch for faction vvd.

the wanted know of sra. ank bijleveld cu if past did take notice of the raport here internacional here cu already end is plama rond world?

the wanted know if kico is his pensamentonan on the raport here of fatf is. in cual is place cu aruba is help financia organisacionnan terrorism.e wanted know con far reputacion of the netherlands y sobra of kingdom will being cuestiona for another paisnan where can culpa the netherlands also of is permiti cu at aruba comete cierto acto of the indole here.

the is continua puntrando his self till cual till medidanan cu the netherlands will take contra of gobierno aruba?e wanted know con can evita cu ripiticion of the practicanan here p’esakinan not ripiti more. the wanted know y is urgi for the netherlands self cuminsa more liher cu is possible cu investigacion priminti on gobernacion at aruba.

behold here some part dje raport......“The anti - money laundring (AML) combating the financing of terrorism (CFT) in place in Aruba en the Kingdom of the Netherlands In general , aruba’s system of AML/CFT preventive measures is disorganised, incomplete and lacks effectiveness.  Aruba is strongly urged to urgently criminalise TF as a separate and independent offence Aruba «should seriously consider preparing completely new and coherent legislation dealing with all the deficiencies and implements all the FATF requirements»  The supervision should thus be reorganised and strengthened, including the introduction of a significantly more robust enforcement culture.  Aruba should introduce a number enhancements both at the judicial and administrative levels.”  e raport here cual is uno cu one caracter internacional is place person his curpa coge shiver y again once more is we aruba his name is being spite debi n’esnan cu owing to sell they soul cu mafiosonan. can wait for cu the netherlands will actuate y already end have nombernan is being menciona at the netherlands of esnan cu will bay cay.

aruba can wait for cu several person of weight, but without contenido will can bay happen several year behind trali. cada person can saca they own conclucion y here do not one stunt politico this is already cu the organo here not have nothing of haber cu politica or eleccion at aruba.

the netherlands also is desea one cambio at aruba, already cu politiconan y till even cas regal is cansa of the bad gobernacion cu owing to being take away ultimo 8 añanan cual owing to perimti all the cosnan here. come across.

all faction in tweede kamer y in gabinete dutch wanted for come more liher cu is possible cu investigacion y for after for happen over for detene esnan cu owing to comete actonan ilicito same cu till caso at bonaire y close they.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 21, 2009, 11:48:54 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 21, 2009, 11:55:30 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Thanks for the reminder!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 22, 2009, 12:05:15 AM
Hope all of our Monkeys are safe from the storms and flooding. Has anyone heard where Urine is?    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 22, 2009, 12:20:23 AM
Nite all Monkeys!!!!!!!!            ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:09:56 AM
Keepthefaith, texasmom, wreck, SurfCity and 2 Guests

Night Crew,Night Crew,Night Crew.......... ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:12:31 AM
Nite all Monkeys!!!!!!!!            ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry I missed you, I was off reading several different places. 

The storms are just now moving in here.  Those cooler temperatures that were forecast...aren't quite so cool in the updated forecast...and rain all week from the looks of it!

I haven't heard anything about where Joran is lately, I can only hope that he is looking over his shoulder where ever he is!
 ::MonkeyCool::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:13:46 AM
Keepthefaith, texasmom, wreck, SurfCity and 2 Guests

Night Crew,Night Crew,Night Crew.......... ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

I'm here!   ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:14:55 AM
Nite all Monkeys!!!!!!!!            ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry I missed you, I was off reading several different places. 

The storms are just now moving in here.  Those cooler temperatures that were forecast...aren't quite so cool in the updated forecast...and rain all week from the looks of it!

I haven't heard anything about where Joran is lately, I can only hope that he is looking over his shoulder where ever he is!
 ::MonkeyCool::
 


Thailand,maybe Malaysia.... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:28:33 AM
ARUBA.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:29:42 AM
ARUBA.... ::MonkeyWink::

Me thinks they read here more then we know!Whatta ya think TM?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:34:17 AM
ARUBA.... ::MonkeyWink::

Me thinks they read here more then we know!Whatta ya think TM?

Quite often I would say....

Wonder if Joran could vote if he was in Aruba....Rudy might make an exception...me thinks they need every vote they can get.
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:38:17 AM
ARUBA.... ::MonkeyWink::

Me thinks they read here more then we know!Whatta ya think TM?

Quite often I would say....

Wonder if Joran could vote if he was in Aruba....Rudy might make an exception...me thinks they need every vote they can get.
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Paulus had the judges make an absentee law strictly for Joran,so he could vote if he wasn't in Aruba.. ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:39:44 AM
Hope all is well Snoopy...... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:45:51 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:47:05 AM
ARUBA.... ::MonkeyWink::

Me thinks they read here more then we know!Whatta ya think TM?

Quite often I would say....

Wonder if Joran could vote if he was in Aruba....Rudy might make an exception...me thinks they need every vote they can get.
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Paulus had the judges make an absentee law strictly for Joran,so he could vote if he wasn't in Aruba.. ::MonkeyLaugh::



 ::MonkeyDevil::  You're probably right! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:49:05 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  He might be as surprised as we were that he was here!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 01:52:43 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  He might be as surprised as we were that he was here!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I just got booted outta the matrix...Problem is!You can't keep Neo out.. ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 01:55:24 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  He might be as surprised as we were that he was here!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I just got booted outta the matrix...Problem is!You can't keep Neo out.. ::MonkeySlide::

A lightning boom scared the bejeeeeezes outta me but I'm still here!  I don't know where it came from but it shook the whole house!  Now I just hear the pitter patter of the rain again.
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:00:32 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  He might be as surprised as we were that he was here!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I just got booted outta the matrix...Problem is!You can't keep Neo out.. ::MonkeySlide::

Where'd you go Neo?  They still tryin'?   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 02:01:05 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  He might be as surprised as we were that he was here!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I just got booted outta the matrix...Problem is!You can't keep Neo out.. ::MonkeySlide::

A lightning boom scared the bejeeeeezes outta me but I'm still here!  I don't know where it came from but it shook the whole house!  Now I just hear the pitter patter of the rain again.
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




::MonkeyTongue:: BOO   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:02:38 AM
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s20scaredmonkeys&v=57&r=9&vlr=79&pg=100,1,1&d=922

Well, I guess if they had to look at a recent page; that one was a good one!   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Oh TM......Like minds!Still waiting for Helvicmen to come back so we can slap the mouse around..BAD KTF,BAD KTF.. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  He might be as surprised as we were that he was here!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I just got booted outta the matrix...Problem is!You can't keep Neo out.. ::MonkeySlide::

A lightning boom scared the bejeeeeezes outta me but I'm still here!  I don't know where it came from but it shook the whole house!  Now I just hear the pitter patter of the rain again.
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




::MonkeyTongue:: BOO   ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 22, 2009, 02:04:10 AM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:05:00 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

Hey Hotping!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 02:07:03 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

TM is having a rough night Hotping & now you're playing peek-a-BOO with her.... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 22, 2009, 02:08:42 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

Hey Hotping!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hey TM...I'm on this darn laptop and its very slow....but I've been lurking and staying caught up.....  ::MonkeyWink:: Watch out for that lightning.....  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 22, 2009, 02:09:34 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

TM is having a rough night Hotping & now you're playing peek-a-BOO with her.... ::MonkeyDance::
  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:14:23 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

Hey Hotping!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hey TM...I'm on this darn laptop and its very slow....but I've been lurking and staying caught up.....  ::MonkeyWink:: Watch out for that lightning.....  ::MonkeyEek::

I feel for you!  I hate it when I have to use a laptop...I'm just not used to it!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 22, 2009, 02:16:53 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

Hey Hotping!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hey TM...I'm on this darn laptop and its very slow....but I've been lurking and staying caught up.....  ::MonkeyWink:: Watch out for that lightning.....  ::MonkeyEek::

I feel for you!  I hate it when I have to use a laptop...I'm just not used to it!   ::MonkeyWaa::
Its the connection...its very slow almost like dialup....   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:18:51 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

Hey Hotping!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hey TM...I'm on this darn laptop and its very slow....but I've been lurking and staying caught up.....  ::MonkeyWink:: Watch out for that lightning.....  ::MonkeyEek::

I feel for you!  I hate it when I have to use a laptop...I'm just not used to it!   ::MonkeyWaa::
Its the connection...its very slow almost like dialup....   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh that's really bad!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not long ago after one of the storms I had to use the laptop and dialup...sheer misery!   ::MonkeyWaa::

But I was here!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:22:09 AM

Well, the thunder is rolling...so I'm calling it a night...best not take my chances.

Good night Hotping and KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 22, 2009, 02:24:04 AM

Well, the thunder is rolling...so I'm calling it a night...best not take my chances.

Good night Hotping and KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::




Goodnight,stay safe & God Bless....I'm right behind ya! Goodnight Hotping... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 22, 2009, 02:24:15 AM
Good Night TM! Stay Safe! I'm going to call it a night also! Later Gators!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 02:24:59 AM
HT Carpe

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpeN7yyy7y.png)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 22, 2009, 02:25:23 AM
Good Night KTF God Bless!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 22, 2009, 08:35:08 AM


Any Monkeys care to wager a bet on who it will be?  My two candidates are in blue.

 ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62729.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

MSI calls refinery acquisition candidates

September 21, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - In an open letter to the government insists MSI-party Danny van der Linde to make official contact with five potential candidates, whom the party had already contacted. These five oil companies are interested Trafigura and Glencore from Switzerland, the Spanish Arevenca, the Russian oil giant Gazprom  and, as previously was announced by the party, the Venezuelan state PdVSA.

"The so-Valero situation caused great economic dislocation and human suffering in the Aruban community. We believe that the extent and nature of this crisis does not allow personal or political party (political) interests, this may play some role. Our deep concern about this issue has moved to us, in the interest of Aruba for possible solutions ", says Van der Linde. MSI has a number of companies sought and "actually willing to speak with the Aruban government on taking over the refinery. According to Van der Linde are all those multinationals willing to under the current tax regime to operate and also to invest in the refinery, "without being exceptional conditions to". "Evident here is also that these companies operate under strict anti-corruption policy measures and some of them even offer preferential rates," the party.

Last week, Prime Minister Oduber during a press conference to have no objection to any negotiations with the Venezuelan oil company PdVSA. "I have good relations with Venezuela and am prepared to if necessary, in the interest of the Aruban people to the table with them about the refinery," said the prime minister.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 22, 2009, 08:39:10 AM
OT, but somewhat related.....            ::MonkeyDevil2::
(http://media2.myfoxny.com//photo/2009/09/14/AP090615043644_20090914112725_320_240.JPG)
Monserrate Jury Selection Tuesday
State Senator Accused Of Assault
Updated: Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:34 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 14 Sep 2009, 11:34 AM EDT

NEW YORK - Hiram Monserrate was a politician on the rise.  Elected to the state Legislature last year, he grabbed headlines
for staging a historic coup against his party.

The state senator's career could be over if he's convicted of attacking his girlfriend, a charge he has repeatedly denied. Jury selection is slated for Tuesday in his assault trial.

Monserrate, a former Marine and ex-cop, was arguing with Karla Giraldo at his apartment late Dec. 18. By the time it was over, she required 20 stitches around her left eye.

Jurors must now decide whether the Democrat accidentally tripped and fell into her while holding a glass of water, or whether Monserrate, 42, did it on purpose in a fit of jealous rage. If convicted on the top charge, a felony, he faces seven years in prison and automatic loss of his senate seat.

If he's convicted of a misdemeanor, he could serve out his term, but it's not clear how his image will fare. Douglas Muzzio, a political science professor at Baruch College, said it could be difficult to win women voters.
"But then again, there are any number of 'Lazaruses' in New York City and American politics," Muzzio said.

The case hinges on Giraldo.  Initially, prosecutors said she told officers that an enraged Monserrate broke a glass in his hand, then use the jagged edge to slice her face. The argument spilled into the hallway, where surveillance video captured a frightened, bleeding woman in distress, according to the police report.

But after Giraldo learned officers planned to arrest Monserrate she changed her account, saying it was an accident and that she did not want to press charges, prosecutors said.  She will almost certainly be called as a witness. "How you prove the case without calling her as a witness, I  don't know," said Monserrate's attorney, Joseph Tacopina.

Tacopina said he might call her in Monserrate's defense if Queens prosecutors do not. Prosecutors wouldn't comment. Giraldo maintains her injuries weren't intentionally caused, the attorney said.

"He rushed her to the hospital," Tacopina said. "She told people it was an accident. So did he. It was an accident."


Monserrate worked to mend his damaged image almost immediately, issuing public statements proclaiming his innocence and noting he had worked during his 12 years as a city police officer to put men in jail who abused women.

He also claimed District Attorney Richard Brown was out to get him.

Brown's office handles more than 5,000 cases annually and his spokesman said this case was being handled no differently. Tacopina said that Monserrate had been offered a plea deal but he didn't take it.

"He is not going to acknowledge guilt, even for some low-level crime, because he is innocent," he said.  A restraining order prevents Giraldo and Monserrate from seeing  each other, but "they're together in spirit," Tacopina said.


Just weeks after the incident, the former city councilman was sworn in to the state Senate, and named chairman of the consumer affairs committee. This summer, he and fellow Democrat Pedro Espada Jr. brazenly ignited a coup in the Senate by joining a Republican-dominated coalition that overthrew the majority. The deadlock lasted a month before it was resolved.

Muzzio said Monserrate's role in the Senate coup could further hurt his tarnished image. "There's a conviction or lack of conviction and then there's the court of public opinion," he said. "He may appear unstable on many levels. You don't come back from that."

Copyright Associated Press, Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/090914_monserrate_jury_selection_tuesday

Glad I don't have to worry about being called for that one...my mind's made up.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Oh - but just like Joey T's other client - he's INNOCENT, dontcha know?

Not just "not guilty", but INNOCENT!  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 22, 2009, 08:48:40 AM
This one just makes me shake my head.  Aruba needs to create new laws about a LOT of deficiencies, and beef up their prosecutorial outlook and their judicial bench, and then maybe - just maybe - they might actually become the safe island they proclaim themselves to be.

This from an article TxMom posted:

......“The anti - money laundring (AML) combating the financing of terrorism (CFT) in place in Aruba en the Kingdom of the Netherlands In general , aruba’s system of AML/CFT preventive measures is disorganised, incomplete and lacks effectiveness.  Aruba is strongly urged to urgently criminalise TF as a separate and independent offence Aruba «should seriously consider preparing completely new and coherent legislation dealing with all the deficiencies and implements all the FATF requirements»  The supervision should thus be reorganised and strengthened, including the introduction of a significantly more robust enforcement culture.  Aruba should introduce a number enhancements both at the judicial and administrative levels.”

Meanwhile - we ARE watching, and we KNOW better!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 22, 2009, 09:58:00 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 22, 2009, 11:48:52 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_62732.php

Aruba
"No new developments Petro China '
September 21, 2009, 14:36 (GMT -04:00)




ORANGE CITY - In several Dutch and international media published the message today Prime Minister Nelson Oduber indicating assuming "soon a" good deal "to contracts with Petro China. Amigoe contacted Manolo Giel, spokesman of the government. This gave, after having checked with the Prime Minister, that there are no concrete developments since the last correspondence from September 8.

"There's been no reply to our letter of September 8," said Giel. "Well we reported last week that PetroChina 16 billion U.S. dollars of an agreement concluded with Venezuela." The article shows the Prime Minister know that in this context 'if only for strategic reasons, "the refinery is well in the market. Also underlines again the principal terms of the government for the acquisition of the Valero refinery and criticizes it in the recent years 'no money' to tax paid and have nothing invested in the refinery.

Stroeve negotiations
Amigoe published in the September 11 letter to Prime Minister Oduber Petro China showing that the negotiations were anything but smooth. The letter Oduber that the Aruban government is still willing to negotiate with Petro China, provided they are prepared to enter an open discussion about the conditions in Aruba proposes a possible takeover. So Aruba is a maximum occupancy of workers in the Aruba refinery, a guarantee of investment in facilities, care for the environment and a reasonable payment of taxes. Petro China came with a set of conditions that almost contrary to that of the Aruban government. Thus the Chinese state as much as possible to own workers in the refinery, let it not pay taxes and wants the same, twenty years old Coastal environmental conditions are. Petro China also wanted to have only one written response from Aruba on that package, without going into the terms of the Aruban government.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 03:22:07 PM
(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2009.september.sept22.blackhog.P1015727.JPG)

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12274/5/

Papiamentu translation:

black hog saloon owing to burn can completo

tuesday, 22 september 2009 - 00:42 ` new photos!

for more or less 12:30am owing to enter informacion cu black hog saloon is at candela. the first unidad of 24ora.com is at the sitio of incidente y is raporta cu the lugar is below ; flame y below ; smoke. entretanto already two unidad of cuerpo of bombero is at the sitio for try combati the candela. black hog saloon have some month end close after cu the donjo owing to bandona the business. all the time tax y another institutonan owing to let place beslag on the property y mueblesnan all owing to stay bendi. update: after of more cu 1 hour y mey still can owing to see vlamnan is leave for of the establicimento. various pick-up of brandweer owing to come y bay for of the sitio for so bring more material. click read more for her reportahe fotografico. come across

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Close · Aruba, September 22nd, 2009


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 DECEMBER 2003 under serial number 31205.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL
 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   12 DECEMBER 2003
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MENDES, JOSEPH BRITO;
Residing in   KURIMIAUW 4, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   U.S.A., SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS on 26 APRIL 1938
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   12 DECEMBER 2003
Authority   FULL
 
DILL, DANIEL FREDRICK;
Residing in   1510 AMNESTYLANE P.O. B964, EL RENO, 73036 OKLAHOMA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A., EL RENO, OKLAHOMA on 4 APRIL 1955
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   7 DECEMBER 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

- HET HUREN EN VERHUREN VAN BROM- EN MOTORFIETSEN;
- HET REPAREREN EN ONDERHOUDEN VAN ONDER PUNT 1 GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN;
- DE KLEINHANDEL IN ONDERDELEN EN BENODIGDHEDEN VOOR GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN,
ALSMEDE IN BIJBEHORENDE SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.

Google translation:

- RENT AND THE HIRING OF BROM AND MOTORCYCLES;
- THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES LISTED IN ITEM 1;
- RETAIL TRADE IN PARTS AND SUPPLIES FOR SAID VEHICLES,
AND IN ASSOCIATED SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 05:17:30 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12274/5/

Papiamentu translation:

black hog saloon owing to burn can completo

tuesday, 22 september 2009 - 00:42 ` new photos!

for more or less 12:30am owing to enter informacion cu black hog saloon is at candela. the first unidad of 24ora.com is at the sitio of incidente y is raporta cu the lugar is below ; flame y below ; smoke. entretanto already two unidad of cuerpo of bombero is at the sitio for try combati the candela. black hog saloon have some month end close after cu the donjo owing to bandona the business. all the time tax y another institutonan owing to let place beslag on the property y mueblesnan all owing to stay bendi. update: after of more cu 1 hour y mey still can owing to see vlamnan is leave for of the establicimento. various pick-up of brandweer owing to come y bay for of the sitio for so bring more material. click read more for her reportahe fotografico. come across

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Close · Aruba, September 22nd, 2009


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 DECEMBER 2003 under serial number 31205.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL
 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   12 DECEMBER 2003
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MENDES, JOSEPH BRITO;
Residing in   KURIMIAUW 4, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   U.S.A., SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS on 26 APRIL 1938
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   12 DECEMBER 2003
Authority   FULL
 
DILL, DANIEL FREDRICK;
Residing in   1510 AMNESTYLANE P.O. B964, EL RENO, 73036 OKLAHOMA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A., EL RENO, OKLAHOMA on 4 APRIL 1955
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   7 DECEMBER 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

- HET HUREN EN VERHUREN VAN BROM- EN MOTORFIETSEN;
- HET REPAREREN EN ONDERHOUDEN VAN ONDER PUNT 1 GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN;
- DE KLEINHANDEL IN ONDERDELEN EN BENODIGDHEDEN VOOR GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN,
ALSMEDE IN BIJBEHORENDE SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.

Google translation:

- RENT AND THE HIRING OF BROM AND MOTORCYCLES;
- THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES LISTED IN ITEM 1;
- RETAIL TRADE IN PARTS AND SUPPLIES FOR SAID VEHICLES,
AND IN ASSOCIATED SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62795.php

Google translation:

Black Hog in flames

September 22, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-pag-1-brand-black-hog-_c.gif)
 
The former bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night burned.

ORANGE CITY - The vacant building formerly bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night completely burnt. Around half past twelve at night the fire was reported the fire and pulled out a few units. It soon turned more manpower and equipment needed and was invoked to reinforce the raging fire under control. To our knowledge nobody got hurt. The spokesman of the fire was not available this morning to clarify the cause of the fire or the extent of the damage.

From one day to shut the Adventure Golf complex in May of this year its doors, containing Alfredo's restaurant and Black Hog Saloon. The management of the company changed time, without notice to staff or customers, the locks and let employees know in writing that their contracts would be terminated. Then, the complex stood empty and gave the still water huge stench in the neighborhood. Also, the building was visited by burglars and vandals in a June havoc havoc in the bar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 05:50:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62794.php

Google translation:

Valero expects more arrests in fraud case

September 22, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The investigation into the fraud Valero is extended. After the arrests of the contractor I.F.B. and the supervisor G.S.K. there are no further arrests cases, but a knowledgeable source within Valero more arrests are expected, too high in the tree. "The arrests of B. and K. to provide a chain reaction. "

The brond continues: "Several people were in the past week Valero holidays and vacations have included an attempt in the spring dance." Gmeld also that the one million fraud so long has elapsed from the negligence of the management of Valero. "The auditors were responsible for orders not to look into the details. There has sometimes been one against an auditor who said something wrong in the hook, but that was then ignored. "

Finca

B. It is said that contractor, with help from supervisor K. have used a construction taking money from the refinery materials were ordered, which in turn were sold or used - and therefore the materials were passed - in projects outside the refinery, including in Web and Setar. "Often, three times to earn a lot ordered. Valero at all costs. "

The two would have amassed a fortune, even more than the previously mentioned press 5 million Aruban florin. Thus, K. including a finca in Colombia have purchased. Reportedly he was the first during the interview information would have released, under the guise of "if I sit down, go over a lot of people with me."

The Public Prosecutor (OM) confirms that the declaration made by Valero and B. K. to co-commit misappropriation of funds and that the investigation will address them. There are no arrests cases.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62793.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Customs will use to scan containers

September 22, 2009, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-aruba-douane-scan-_cm_.gif)

Through the mobile container customs can now scan incoming and outgoing containers check for contraband.

ORANGE CITY - A special mobile container scanning recently by the customs in use. The new device supports incoming and outgoing containers are checked on drugs, weapons and contraband.

Because the port area is not an appropriate place, is a temporary part of the Free Zone used to sample containers to check. "It is impossible to check all containers," said the customs. The scan takes about five minutes per container and there are five men needed to operate the scanning device.

The scanner helps Aruba to meet the safety requirements that America proposes the importation of sea containers. The customs body has chosen to buy container scanning, because shipping containers are adequately and effectively controlled them could be. This version would be the most modern. The device may also be easily moved to Barcadera. The scanner took nearly 6 million florin. The money was provided by the Fondo Development Desaroyo Aruba (FDA) under the National Security 2008-2012.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 06:04:53 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62792.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Modernization civil law closer

September 22, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-pag-3-burgerlijk-wetboek.gif)


Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) shows the report of the committee that the amendments to the Civil Code has bent. This committee consisted of Jan de Boer, a member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and the lawyers Herman Franssen, Esther Spanish, Robin Croes, Farid Ajong Tjong and Carlos Bollen.

ORANGE CITY - The committee that has examined the last six months significant changes to the Civil Code, its findings to Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) offered. The Cabinet has been agreed and the bill and the opinion of the committee submitted to the Advisory Board.

The main changes are:

a. gives parents the opportunity to the birth of their first child to choose the name of the father, the mother's name, the name of the father followed by the name of the mother or the mother's name followed by the name of the father (Article 1:5 ff). A dispute on this subject at the request of one or both of them are submitted to the court of first instance (Art. 1:5 b);

b. inheritances and gifts are no longer in family property (art. 1:94, second paragraph, a);

c. the judicial determination of paternity is regulated (art. 1:207 ff), also on July 16, 2009 the Common Court of Justice under human rights treaties have a judicial determination of paternity in a case Aruban pronounced. In that case, the judicial determination of paternity, the father life, the father is already deceased, the Court refuses the judicial determination of paternity because the legislature then emerging to resolve inheritance issues, since in most cases the inheritance al (long ago) been settled;

d. the legal inheritance of the children (forced share) is abolished, but this entails care claims by the surviving spouse and children under 25 years (Book 4);

e. Article 1:251 is included as a starting point that during the marriage existing joint parental authority after the dissolution of marriage should remain;

f. there is a proposed system to ensure that long remained undivided estates are still divided (Art. 3:200 a);

g. Homes for sale is a reflection of three days in which the buyer after the conclusion of the contract has the right to terminate the contract without consequences (Art. 7:2, second paragraph);

h. there is a system for establishing a trust under which it is possible to isolate power to secure this for a specific purpose, eg the study of a child (art. 3:126 ff);

i. the rental of a dwelling for which the Rent a maximum price can determine the value of the property not only at cost determined at market value (Art. 7:240).

j. included a system of law that a contract may end having reached a reasonable retirement age (Art. 7:614 b).

In 2002, most of the new Civil Code of Aruba already in place. Some important issues were missing, however, there were also several statements in court also impact on the Code. The new bill, according to the government "put a big step for the further modernization of the civil law in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 06:12:38 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62787.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Catering Friday close

September 22, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A number of catering establishments on the island has decided to "reclamation" in the parliamentary elections on Friday to seize and close the case with all staff to build a party. A private party, so what is there all alcohol must be served.

The Aruba Wine & Dine group organizes a staff party on Friday for the more than 250 men from their various companies including The Plaza Cafe, Moomba, Mambo Jambo, Chino Latino, Sopranos, and Salt and Pepper. These restaurants and bars are closed all day Friday so the public. The office party is held at Rancho Daimari. Diablo and DJ Theo Sanders are invited to come and run organizer Sjoerd de Vries, known for beach tennis, various games provided to keep the staff busy.

The Government has, as in the previous parliamentary elections four years ago, by a National Decree imposed a 36-hour alcohol ban. Cafes, restaurants, hotels and supermarkets allowed six (pm) hours of night on September 24 for six (am) hours in the morning on September 26 does not give or sell alcohol. Moreover, issues that (almost) only drink sales, for the "reclamation" has closed. This prohibition does not apply to restaurants where also alcohol alongside such food is sold.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 22, 2009, 06:25:42 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Janet

I will bring this to Klaas's attention. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 06:32:02 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Janet

I will bring this to Klaas's attention. 

Thanks 2NJ

I do not have a clue how to access these documents.

Case Number: ?

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 22, 2009, 06:33:49 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Janet

I will bring this to Klaas's attention. 

Thanks 2NJ

I do not have a clue how to access these documents.

Case Number: ?

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Janet



I would think the case number is on that document you posted in your thread....maybe?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 22, 2009, 06:36:05 PM

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12274/5/

Papiamentu translation:

black hog saloon owing to burn can completo

tuesday, 22 september 2009 - 00:42 ` new photos!

for more or less 12:30am owing to enter informacion cu black hog saloon is at candela. the first unidad of 24ora.com is at the sitio of incidente y is raporta cu the lugar is below ; flame y below ; smoke. entretanto already two unidad of cuerpo of bombero is at the sitio for try combati the candela. black hog saloon have some month end close after cu the donjo owing to bandona the business. all the time tax y another institutonan owing to let place beslag on the property y mueblesnan all owing to stay bendi. update: after of more cu 1 hour y mey still can owing to see vlamnan is leave for of the establicimento. various pick-up of brandweer owing to come y bay for of the sitio for so bring more material. click read more for her reportahe fotografico. come across

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Close · Aruba, September 22nd, 2009


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 DECEMBER 2003 under serial number 31205.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL
 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   12 DECEMBER 2003
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MENDES, JOSEPH BRITO;
Residing in   KURIMIAUW 4, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   U.S.A., SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS on 26 APRIL 1938
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   12 DECEMBER 2003
Authority   FULL
 
DILL, DANIEL FREDRICK;
Residing in   1510 AMNESTYLANE P.O. B964, EL RENO, 73036 OKLAHOMA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A., EL RENO, OKLAHOMA on 4 APRIL 1955
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   7 DECEMBER 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

- HET HUREN EN VERHUREN VAN BROM- EN MOTORFIETSEN;
- HET REPAREREN EN ONDERHOUDEN VAN ONDER PUNT 1 GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN;
- DE KLEINHANDEL IN ONDERDELEN EN BENODIGDHEDEN VOOR GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN,
ALSMEDE IN BIJBEHORENDE SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.

Google translation:

- RENT AND THE HIRING OF BROM AND MOTORCYCLES;
- THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES LISTED IN ITEM 1;
- RETAIL TRADE IN PARTS AND SUPPLIES FOR SAID VEHICLES,
AND IN ASSOCIATED SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62795.php

Google translation:

Black Hog in flames

September 22, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-pag-1-brand-black-hog-_c.gif)
 
The former bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night burned.

ORANGE CITY - The vacant building formerly bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night completely burnt. Around half past twelve at night the fire was reported the fire and pulled out a few units. It soon turned more manpower and equipment needed and was invoked to reinforce the raging fire under control. To our knowledge nobody got hurt. The spokesman of the fire was not available this morning to clarify the cause of the fire or the extent of the damage.

From one day to shut the Adventure Golf complex in May of this year its doors, containing Alfredo's restaurant and Black Hog Saloon. The management of the company changed time, without notice to staff or customers, the locks and let employees know in writing that their contracts would be terminated. Then, the complex stood empty and gave the still water huge stench in the neighborhood. Also, the building was visited by burglars and vandals in a June havoc havoc in the bar.

When vacant buildings/businesses go up in flames after midnight....one goes hmmmmmm..... ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 22, 2009, 06:45:12 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Janet

I will bring this to Klaas's attention. 

Thanks 2NJ

I do not have a clue how to access these documents.

Case Number: ?

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Janet



Case #BC363201, but to see the documents you have to be registered with the court....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 06:45:37 PM

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12274/5/

Papiamentu translation:

black hog saloon owing to burn can completo

tuesday, 22 september 2009 - 00:42 ` new photos!

for more or less 12:30am owing to enter informacion cu black hog saloon is at candela. the first unidad of 24ora.com is at the sitio of incidente y is raporta cu the lugar is below ; flame y below ; smoke. entretanto already two unidad of cuerpo of bombero is at the sitio for try combati the candela. black hog saloon have some month end close after cu the donjo owing to bandona the business. all the time tax y another institutonan owing to let place beslag on the property y mueblesnan all owing to stay bendi. update: after of more cu 1 hour y mey still can owing to see vlamnan is leave for of the establicimento. various pick-up of brandweer owing to come y bay for of the sitio for so bring more material. click read more for her reportahe fotografico. come across

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Close · Aruba, September 22nd, 2009


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 DECEMBER 2003 under serial number 31205.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL
 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   12 DECEMBER 2003
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MENDES, JOSEPH BRITO;
Residing in   KURIMIAUW 4, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   U.S.A., SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS on 26 APRIL 1938
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   12 DECEMBER 2003
Authority   FULL
 
DILL, DANIEL FREDRICK;
Residing in   1510 AMNESTYLANE P.O. B964, EL RENO, 73036 OKLAHOMA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A., EL RENO, OKLAHOMA on 4 APRIL 1955
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   7 DECEMBER 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

- HET HUREN EN VERHUREN VAN BROM- EN MOTORFIETSEN;
- HET REPAREREN EN ONDERHOUDEN VAN ONDER PUNT 1 GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN;
- DE KLEINHANDEL IN ONDERDELEN EN BENODIGDHEDEN VOOR GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN,
ALSMEDE IN BIJBEHORENDE SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.

Google translation:

- RENT AND THE HIRING OF BROM AND MOTORCYCLES;
- THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES LISTED IN ITEM 1;
- RETAIL TRADE IN PARTS AND SUPPLIES FOR SAID VEHICLES,
AND IN ASSOCIATED SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62795.php

Google translation:

Black Hog in flames

September 22, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-pag-1-brand-black-hog-_c.gif)
 
The former bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night burned.

ORANGE CITY - The vacant building formerly bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night completely burnt. Around half past twelve at night the fire was reported the fire and pulled out a few units. It soon turned more manpower and equipment needed and was invoked to reinforce the raging fire under control. To our knowledge nobody got hurt. The spokesman of the fire was not available this morning to clarify the cause of the fire or the extent of the damage.

From one day to shut the Adventure Golf complex in May of this year its doors, containing Alfredo's restaurant and Black Hog Saloon. The management of the company changed time, without notice to staff or customers, the locks and let employees know in writing that their contracts would be terminated. Then, the complex stood empty and gave the still water huge stench in the neighborhood. Also, the building was visited by burglars and vandals in a June havoc havoc in the bar.

When vacant buildings/businesses go up in flames after midnight....one goes hmmmmmm..... ::MonkeyDevil2::

That's for sure!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 06:49:05 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks for keeping us posted on this, Buckeye!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 06:51:27 PM
Some activity in the Dr. Phil/K2 saga:

09/11/2009 Ntc to Atty re Abandon Appeal
Filed by Clerk        :smt102

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Thanks Buckeye.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAAAS!!

Janet

I will bring this to Klaas's attention. 

Thanks 2NJ

I do not have a clue how to access these documents.

Case Number: ?

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Janet



Case #BC363201, but to see the documents you have to be registered with the court....

Thanks 2NJ

I did access the Jamie Skeeters' judgement and saw the case number but ... considering I am not registered with the court ... I will wait on Klaas.

Thanks again.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 06:55:38 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/andy-lee-politico-prominente-di-avp-a-topa-cu-jossy-mansur/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/josyandy.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:


andy lee politico prominente of avp owing to come across cu jossy mansur

publication: tuesday, 22 september 2009. categoria: general, politica

oranjestad(aan):e politico of avp andy lee owing to come across cu jossy mansur director of daily paper monday. the was one visit for talk on the situation regal cu have in finanzas the momentonan here at aruba. was one instant exact for her politico cuminsa prepara his self for her result of eleccion diabierna now. the plan cu avp have for thing is finanzas y economia is much amplio y on esey also andy lee y jossy mansur owing to comenta on dje during they combersacion at home of the director of daily paper. on the photograph can see the instant of the encuentro here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 06:56:01 PM
Copying this from the "Janet" thread:

It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 07:02:06 PM
It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.

Thanks Buckeye.

Is this the final judgement?  The Kalpoes lose?

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
It was important to establish a "public" interest.  The antislap laws are based on Freedom of Speech (by media) when a public figure or "public" interest is involved.  Much of the requested discovery related to this.

I would pay attention to the pdf, page 11.  There is very little competent evidence offered by Plaintiffs (K2) to support falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements that Plaintiffs has sex with Holloway, and/or potentially drugged her and had non-consensual sex with her on the night of her disappearance. There is the purported order from the court in Aruba affirming the trial judge's decision to reject a request by the prosecutor to detain Plaintiffs. Even assuming this translation is admissible, it is not proof that Plaintiffs did not have sex with Holloway.....

Where is the reported NFI document?  Welcome to the USA.  Prove it or lose it.  No Range Rover tape needed.

Thanks Buckeye.

Is this the final judgement?  The Kalpoes lose?

Janet


against Skeeters..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 07:17:24 PM
If I am reading the following words within the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters correctly ... the implication is that the positive outcome of the defamation lawsuit against Jamie Skeeters does not reflect what the outcome will be in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

Janet

++++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf




It was my impression that Deepak and Satish's defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw was all about the allegation that the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated to imply Deepak had told Jamie Skeeters that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee.

My contention has always been that a professional comparison in an FBI lab  between the Jamie Skeeters' original (hard drive) and Dr. Phil's recording would reveal the truth.

Janet
_______

The Kalpoe's Attorney
Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator  to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 22, 2009, 07:25:00 PM
Skeeter's stated that Deepak told him they all had sex.  K2 had no proof that that isn't what Deepak said...no NFI, no independent review, no FBI report.  I suppose they can say Dr. Phil "manipulated" the tape, but Skeeters has already stated that Deepak said they did have sex.  Deepak needs to prove he didn't say that and he was defamed because of it.

Remember Steve Cohen said at least two of them had sex.  There is more support for the tape being accurate than what has been produced to say it is not.  It doesn't matter what anyone in Aruba or Thailand says, they need to show proof of falsity.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 07:40:43 PM
Skeeter's stated that Deepak told him they all had sex.  K2 had no proof that that isn't what Deepak said...no NFI, no independent review, no FBI report.  I suppose they can say Dr. Phil "manipulated" the tape, but Skeeters has already stated that Deepak said they did have sex.  Deepak needs to prove he didn't say that and he was defamed because of it.

Remember Steve Cohen said at least two of them had sex.  There is more support for the tape being accurate than what has been produced to say it is not.  It doesn't matter what anyone in Aruba or Thailand says, they need to show proof of falsity.

IMO

This lawsuit could have been over at the getgo if Phil McGraw attorneys had requested a professional comparison of the Dr. Phil's recording and Jamie Skeeters' recording (hard drive).  McGraw attorneys have been attempting for two years to obtain documentation from Aruba to back the contention that Deepak and Satish were not defamed.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 22, 2009, 07:54:13 PM
Just got home.  Just downloaded the new docs.  Will print pertenant pages shortly.  Stand by  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 22, 2009, 08:08:46 PM
In the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case.  I'll post as I have them ready and only those pages that say stuff (not just the notary pages etc and pages that simply say the exhibit number)

This document filed on September 17, 2009 and called:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NoticeEntry.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhilExt1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhilExt2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhilExt3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhilExt4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 22, 2009, 08:18:20 PM
This is the Abandon the Appeal doc that was filed.  The other docs simply have to do with the Skeeter's Estate and basically the Kalpoes aren't going to go after the Skeeter's Estate at all.  This Abandon Appeal may have to do with the Skeeters Estate as well.. not sure:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AbandAppeal1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AbandAppeal2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AbandAppeal3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 22, 2009, 08:20:08 PM
Don't miss Dana Pretzer at 9pm tonight!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer092209.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 08:26:57 PM


Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 22, 2009, 08:51:35 PM
This is the Abandon the Appeal doc that was filed.  The other docs simply have to do with the Skeeter's Estate and basically the Kalpoes aren't going to go after the Skeeter's Estate at all.  This Abandon Appeal may have to do with the Skeeters Estate as well.. not sure:

<snipped:


Klaas ... thank you.

I will read tomorrow.  However ... I believe the document may have to do with the Kalpoes' attorneya not appealing the judgement in favor of Jamie Skeeters.  Maybe the efforts are going into the Phil McGraw segment of the defamation lawsuit.

Thanks again.

Janet

+++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
http://parlis.nl/v009z16391

Google translation:

Questions from the member Remkes (VVD) to the Secretary of the Interior and Kingdom Relations and the Minister of Finance on money laundering in Aruba.

(Submitted September 14, 2009)

File    V009Z16391

Content Indicator    Questions in response to a draft report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on money laundering and terrorist financing in Aruba. The petitioner asked what measures the two leaders intend to take the bad reputation of the Kingdom at this point to make. He also asks for the state of play regarding the instructions to do research on corruption and integrity of governance on the island.

Location    Kamervragen 2008-2009, vraagnr. 2009Z16391, House

Publication Date    15/09/2009

Date tabled    14/09/2009

Size    1

Vraagnr. by submitting    2009Z16391

Petitioner   
Remkes (VVD)
Content    2009Z16391
Questions from the member Remkes (VVD) the State of Interior and Kingdom Relations and the Minister of Finance on money laundering in Aruba.

(Submitted September 14 2009)

1
Are you aware of the Draft report of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) on Aruba on money laundering and the financing terrorism?

2
What is your opinion on the sketched image of the disastrous situation of "the anti-money laundering (AML) and Combating the financing of terrorism (CFT) in place In Aruba, the Kingdom of the Netherlands»?

1

3
When will this report by the FATF be determined?

4
What will you evaluate the report are also given to the Presidency of the FATF from July 1 this year?

5
What do you the opportunity to reputational damage for the Kingdom and for the presidency of the FATF as a result of this report?

6
What measures do you intend to take this disastrous image in the future (have) set? Is this your considers a responsibility Kingdom level? If not, why not?

7
What is the state of play relating to the contract renewal to make thorough investigation into corruption and integrity of governance in Aruba?

1
To illustrate some quotes from the draft report:

- "The measures currently in place to Ensure the transparency and integrity of these vehicles are completely inadequate and represent a substantial risk that could easily be misused by launderers and other criminals ";

- "In general, Aruba's system of AML / CFT preventive measures is disorganized, incomplete and lacks effectiveness ";

- "Aruba is strongly urged to urgently Criminalis TF as a separate and independent offense ";

- Aruba "should seriously consider preparing completely new and coherent legislation dealing with all the deficiencies and implements all the FATF requirements ";

- "The supervision should thus be reorganised and strengthened, including the introduction
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 09:17:14 PM
This may have been posted at the time...I don't remember so I'm posting it just in case it wasn't.

http://parlis.nl/kst131663

Google translation:

Netherlands Antilles political process; Amending motion to replace Chief Justice of Aruba Rijksrecherche inquiry into quality time first decision and 10 days examination Natalee Holloway disappearance

File    KST131663

Category (s)    Criminal law and criminal procedure

Constitutional and Administrative Law

File    31,568 44

Location    Parliamentary paper 2008-2009, 31,568, 44, House

From   States General Petitioner amendment / motion    BRINKMAN

Publication Date    19/06/2009

Date down    09/06/2009

Document ID    KST131663

Size    1

Content    31 568 Political Process Netherlands Antilles

Nr. 44 AMENDED MOTION OF THE MEMBER BRINKMAN TO REPLACE OF THE PRINTED UNDER NO. 40

Proposed June 9, 2009

The Court, heard the discussion, noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba is replaced
are; noting that there are still many questions about the justice and police tional research during the first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

Whereas, it is of the utmost importance that clear which mistakes have been made in those crucial first ten days of the investigation;

Calls on the Government to the Government of Aruba to insist on a Aruban application to view a Netherlands-Dutch imperial searching inquiry into the quality and the decision points during the first ten days of the judicial and police investigation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and proceeded to the order of the day.

Brinkman
House of the States General
2
2008-2009 Annual Meeting
KST131663
0809tkkst31568-44
ISSN 0921 - 7371
Sdu Uitgevers
's-Gravenhage 2009 Second Chamber, 2008-2009, 31 568, 44


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 22, 2009, 11:05:56 PM
HT Carpe

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpeN7yyy7y.png)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 22, 2009, 11:44:09 PM
So, Carpe popped in today?  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:06:55 AM
So, Carpe popped in today?  ::MonkeyGavel::

If you're talking about the "HT Carpe", no he didn't stop by (that I know of) I was just giving him a "hat tip" for his picture of Natalee.

I wish he would stop by, I miss him!   ::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 23, 2009, 12:08:17 AM
Just telling the night crew HI.  Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:12:40 AM
Just telling the night crew HI.  Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!  I hope you had a good day today!
 
::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 23, 2009, 12:16:53 AM
Good Night, night crew....!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Shift change at the Nursing Home <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 23, 2009, 12:17:36 AM
Just telling the night crew HI.  Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!  I hope you had a good day today!
 
::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


HI Texasmom. Hope you had a great day too. Mine was 3 1/2 inches of rain and more tomorrow. So need a cool front!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 23, 2009, 12:18:35 AM
Good Night, night crew....!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Shift change at the Nursing Home <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

Nite Mere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:25:54 AM
Good Night, night crew....!   ::MonkeyJustice::



Shift change at the Nursing Home <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:27:25 AM
Just telling the night crew HI.  Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!  I hope you had a good day today!
 
::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


HI Texasmom. Hope you had a great day too. Mine was 3 1/2 inches of rain and more tomorrow. So need a cool front!!!!

It was actually really nice out this afternoon, almost felt like fall... ::MonkeyWink::

We got a lot of rain last night, and a little more today.  I think it's in the forecast all week.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 23, 2009, 12:28:14 AM
Goodnight all! I'm heading on business to South Carolina  -- will be back Saturday.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 23, 2009, 12:30:55 AM
Just telling the night crew HI.  Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi cajun miracle!  I hope you had a good day today!
 
::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


HI Texasmom. Hope you had a great day too. Mine was 3 1/2 inches of rain and more tomorrow. So need a cool front!!!!

It was actually really nice out this afternoon, almost felt like fall... ::MonkeyWink::

We got a lot of rain last night, and a little more today.  I think it's in the forecast all week.   ::MonkeyWaa::



Yes, we have the same forecast. That front will back up again. Cool would be nice. Glad that you had a nice day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 23, 2009, 12:32:01 AM
Goodnight all! I'm heading on business to South Carolina  -- will be back Saturday.  ::MonkeyCool::

Nite Wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 12:33:17 AM
Goodnight all! I'm heading on business to South Carolina  -- will be back Saturday.  ::MonkeyCool::

Goodnight & safe travels Mr.Wreck! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 12:33:58 AM
Come on out billB..... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
Goodnight all! I'm heading on business to South Carolina  -- will be back Saturday.  ::MonkeyCool::

I hope you have a good trip!  Good night wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:36:59 AM
Come on out billB..... ::MonkeyBike::

Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySlide::

Did you sayyyyyyyy billbbbbbbb????   ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 12:38:31 AM
Come on out billB..... ::MonkeyBike::

Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySlide::

Did you sayyyyyyyy billbbbbbbb????   ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

BaBabaBaBillllllBBBBBB....... ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::

He's comin around tha bend....I feel it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
Come on out billB..... ::MonkeyBike::

Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySlide::

Did you sayyyyyyyy billbbbbbbb????   ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

BaBabaBaBillllllBBBBBB....... ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::

He's comin around tha bend....I feel it!

Are you sure you don't just have gas?   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 12:43:24 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 23, 2009, 12:45:14 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 12:48:04 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 12:55:19 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:00:29 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

Who knew KTF would have to break wind,around tha bend,just to get BillB outta tha rafters?? ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:01:51 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer3::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:03:19 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

Who knew KTF would have to break wind,around tha bend,just to get BillB outta tha rafters?? ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::
Broken wind...nuff to knock me off my perch.... ::MonkeyCool::
And made two others completely disappear... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:04:12 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Hi back at ya TM..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:05:00 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

Who knew KTF would have to break wind,around tha bend,just to get BillB outta tha rafters?? ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Whatever it takes...KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:08:13 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

Who knew KTF would have to break wind,around tha bend,just to get BillB outta tha rafters?? ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeySlide::
Broken wind...nuff to knock me off my perch.... ::MonkeyCool::
And made two others completely disappear... ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'm glad you joined us...hope the others didn't think I was being crude...just having a little fun with KTF!
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:13:52 AM


Sorry, KTF...just kidding!   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::cartwheel::
You guys and gals KaKaKaKill Meeeee
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Hi back at ya TM..... ::MonkeyAngel::

I keep hoping and praying we'll get some good news in Natalee's case!

Something...anything...   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:15:16 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:16:44 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:17:37 AM
My bride and I took our youngest to college (freshman at Ca Poly...thank you)....
What a great and yes, emotional day.
She was scared but excited....had met her room mate online and phone after they were paired up together by the school....they both have Christian values and similar interest that no doubt contributed to the school admin pairing them...
After helping her move in with her room mate's parents helping their daughter....we all went out for families lunch at applebees...
The wife immediately confessed that my humor was off a bit and apologies all around from my two daughters (middle one was there to help her little sis) for what would come... ::MonkeyLaugh::
We all got along great (especially the two new room mates--key to their relationship).
My wife and room mate's dad are both teachers....so they of course dominated with their teacher challenges (student parents are the worst, then school admin, teacher spouses, bla bla bla,
But of course THEIR students are wonderful).
Then the teary goodbyes......
My bride cried all the way home.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:23:29 AM
My bride and I took our youngest to college (freshman at Ca Poly...thank you)....
What a great and yes, emotional day.
She was scared but excited....had met her room mate online and phone after they were paired up together by the school....they both have Christian values and similar interest that no doubt contributed to the school admin pairing them...
After helping her move in with her room mate's parents helping their daughter....we all went out for families lunch at applebees...
The wife immediately confessed that my humor was off a bit and apologies all around from my two daughters (middle one was there to help her little sis) for what would come... ::MonkeyLaugh::
We all got along great (especially the two new room mates--key to their relationship).
My wife and room mate's dad are both teachers....so they of course dominated with their teacher challenges (student parents are the worst, then school admin, teacher spouses, bla bla bla,
But of course THEIR students are wonderful).
Then the teary goodbyes......
My bride cried all the way home.......


Don't change a thing BillB.Just tell em dem damn monkeys are a BAAADDDD influence!I'll take one for tha team.Go ahead.Throw KTF under the bus..Vroooommmm,Vroooooomm!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:25:03 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

This concerns me very much! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:25:27 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My take on the long delay to the right for the trial...
Judge is giving k2 all the time (and more) to ensure they will need to produce docs........docs they claim can't obtain from ALE as case in aruba is still pending whatever....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:26:54 AM
My bride and I took our youngest to college (freshman at Ca Poly...thank you)....
What a great and yes, emotional day.
She was scared but excited....had met her room mate online and phone after they were paired up together by the school....they both have Christian values and similar interest that no doubt contributed to the school admin pairing them...
After helping her move in with her room mate's parents helping their daughter....we all went out for families lunch at applebees...
The wife immediately confessed that my humor was off a bit and apologies all around from my two daughters (middle one was there to help her little sis) for what would come... ::MonkeyLaugh::
We all got along great (especially the two new room mates--key to their relationship).
My wife and room mate's dad are both teachers....so they of course dominated with their teacher challenges (student parents are the worst, then school admin, teacher spouses, bla bla bla,
But of course THEIR students are wonderful).
Then the teary goodbyes......
My bride cried all the way home.......


Don't change a thing BillB.Just tell em dem damn monkeys are a BAAADDDD influence!I'll take one for tha team.Go ahead.Throw KTF under the bus..Vroooommmm,Vroooooomm!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::
::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:28:43 AM
My bride and I took our youngest to college (freshman at Ca Poly...thank you)....
What a great and yes, emotional day.
She was scared but excited....had met her room mate online and phone after they were paired up together by the school....they both have Christian values and similar interest that no doubt contributed to the school admin pairing them...
After helping her move in with her room mate's parents helping their daughter....we all went out for families lunch at applebees...
The wife immediately confessed that my humor was off a bit and apologies all around from my two daughters (middle one was there to help her little sis) for what would come... ::MonkeyLaugh::
We all got along great (especially the two new room mates--key to their relationship).
My wife and room mate's dad are both teachers....so they of course dominated with their teacher challenges (student parents are the worst, then school admin, teacher spouses, bla bla bla,
But of course THEIR students are wonderful).
Then the teary goodbyes......
My bride cried all the way home.......


I know you'll miss her billb...and your bride will too; but she'll do great...I just know it! ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:29:33 AM
My bride and I took our youngest to college (freshman at Ca Poly...thank you)....
What a great and yes, emotional day.
She was scared but excited....had met her room mate online and phone after they were paired up together by the school....they both have Christian values and similar interest that no doubt contributed to the school admin pairing them...
After helping her move in with her room mate's parents helping their daughter....we all went out for families lunch at applebees...
The wife immediately confessed that my humor was off a bit and apologies all around from my two daughters (middle one was there to help her little sis) for what would come... ::MonkeyLaugh::
We all got along great (especially the two new room mates--key to their relationship).
My wife and room mate's dad are both teachers....so they of course dominated with their teacher challenges (student parents are the worst, then school admin, teacher spouses, bla bla bla,
But of course THEIR students are wonderful).
Then the teary goodbyes......
My bride cried all the way home.......


Don't change a thing BillB.Just tell em dem damn monkeys are a BAAADDDD influence!I'll take one for tha team.Go ahead.Throw KTF under the bus..Vroooommmm,Vroooooomm!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:31:09 AM
My bride and I took our youngest to college (freshman at Ca Poly...thank you)....
What a great and yes, emotional day.
She was scared but excited....had met her room mate online and phone after they were paired up together by the school....they both have Christian values and similar interest that no doubt contributed to the school admin pairing them...
After helping her move in with her room mate's parents helping their daughter....we all went out for families lunch at applebees...
The wife immediately confessed that my humor was off a bit and apologies all around from my two daughters (middle one was there to help her little sis) for what would come... ::MonkeyLaugh::
We all got along great (especially the two new room mates--key to their relationship).
My wife and room mate's dad are both teachers....so they of course dominated with their teacher challenges (student parents are the worst, then school admin, teacher spouses, bla bla bla,
But of course THEIR students are wonderful).
Then the teary goodbyes......
My bride cried all the way home.......


I know you'll miss her billb...and your bride will too; but she'll do great...I just know it! ::MonkeyCool::




::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:31:37 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My take on the long delay to the right for the trial...
Judge is giving k2 all the time (and more) to ensure they will need to produce docs........docs they claim can't obtain from ALE as case in aruba is still pending whatever....


I've been thinking the same.  They are giving a good reason for the delay in producing the docs...and that must be it.  Otherwise this thing would have been thrown out a long time ago...for their failure to do so.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:36:23 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My take on the long delay to the right for the trial...
Judge is giving k2 all the time (and more) to ensure they will need to produce docs........docs they claim can't obtain from ALE as case in aruba is still pending whatever....


I've been thinking the same.  They are giving a good reason for the delay in producing the docs...and that must be it.  Otherwise this thing would have been thrown out a long time ago...for their failure to do so.  JMO

I hope this is the case or i'll be.... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:39:16 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My take on the long delay to the right for the trial...
Judge is giving k2 all the time (and more) to ensure they will need to produce docs........docs they claim can't obtain from ALE as case in aruba is still pending whatever....


I've been thinking the same.  They are giving a good reason for the delay in producing the docs...and that must be it.  Otherwise this thing would have been thrown out a long time ago...for their failure to do so.  JMO
Yes TM....Time is big $$ in lawyer fees.......Time is on Dr. Phils side if k2 can't produce docs......
Judge will evendually throw k2 out and Dr' Phil can go after fees....
Jamie Skeeters estate would have been tied up for a long time before it could be settled....my take on why Jamie's team dropped going after fees.
Dr. Phil is not in the same boat and WILL go after fees when the time comes...and it WILL come. The burden of proof rests with k2........I don't believe for a New York minute that they can do that and show losses.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:42:41 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:44:03 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Bromance.....I like that..... ::MonkeyCool::
NOT that I like Bromance......that stays on the river...... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:45:08 AM
Was i reading those court documents right,when i say that they're talking about extending this court case out till 2010????

IIRC..the trial is now moved to 2011.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
My take on the long delay to the right for the trial...
Judge is giving k2 all the time (and more) to ensure they will need to produce docs........docs they claim can't obtain from ALE as case in aruba is still pending whatever....


I've been thinking the same.  They are giving a good reason for the delay in producing the docs...and that must be it.  Otherwise this thing would have been thrown out a long time ago...for their failure to do so.  JMO
Yes TM....Time is big $$ in lawyer fees.......Time is on Dr. Phils side if k2 can't produce docs......
Judge will evendually throw k2 out and Dr' Phil can go after fees....
Jamie Skeeters estate would have been tied up for a long time before it could be settled....my take on why Jamie's team dropped going after fees.
Dr. Phil is not in the same boat and WILL go after fees when the time comes...and it WILL come. The burden of proof rests with k2........I don't believe for a New York minute that they can do that and show losses.......

I agree.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:45:27 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:47:11 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::
As my daughters would say...GET A ROOM!.... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:47:34 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Bromance.....I like that..... ::MonkeyCool::
NOT that I like Bromance......that stays on the river...... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: PLEASE KEEP THE GAVEL away from Ned Buttyy!I kid you monkey's.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:50:38 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 23, 2009, 01:52:53 AM
See all the fun we can have and how the subject can go from mediocre (not much news) to ending the evening on a happy note....
Justice for Natalee is where it is at for all us Good Monkeys....we will keep our hopes up and KNOW THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...Beth, Dave, and Natalee's extended family and friends.....

What aruba, american traitors, persistence did will NOT go unpunished....whether in this lifetime or the next.....
Good Night Good Monkeys...Thank you for all you do..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:56:22 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Time will tell.My prayers are that it doesn't just silently disappear!As you know i'm a big fan of movies.A favorite movie of mine is Michael Clayton with George Clooney.If you've seen it you understand somethings are handled a little differently...Hopefully in this case!Justice will be served before the silence occurs... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 01:58:35 AM
See all the fun we can have and how the subject can go from mediocre (not much news) to ending the evening on a happy note....
Justice for Natalee is where it is at for all us Good Monkeys....we will keep our hopes up and KNOW THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...Beth, Dave, and Natalee's extended family and friends.....

What aruba, american traitors, persistence did will NOT go unpunished....whether in this lifetime or the next.....
Good Night Good Monkeys...Thank you for all you do..... ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight Billb & congrats on sending daughter off to bloom in a too a wonderful women.I've got some time before your scenario happens with muah... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 01:59:01 AM
See all the fun we can have and how the subject can go from mediocre (not much news) to ending the evening on a happy note....
Justice for Natalee is where it is at for all us Good Monkeys....we will keep our hopes up and KNOW THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE...Beth, Dave, and Natalee's extended family and friends.....

What aruba, american traitors, persistence did will NOT go unpunished....whether in this lifetime or the next.....
Good Night Good Monkeys...Thank you for all you do..... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night billb!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for stopping by!     ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 02:00:58 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Time will tell.My prayers are that it doesn't just silently disappear!As you know i'm a big fan of movies.A favorite movie of mine is Michael Clayton with George Clooney.If you've seen it you understand somethings are handled a little differently...Hopefully in this case!Justice will be served before the silence occurs... ::MonkeyCool::

I can't bear to think that way.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 02:07:42 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Time will tell.My prayers are that it doesn't just silently disappear!As you know i'm a big fan of movies.A favorite movie of mine is Michael Clayton with George Clooney.If you've seen it you understand somethings are handled a little differently...Hopefully in this case!Justice will be served before the silence occurs... ::MonkeyCool::

I can't bear to think that way.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Dr.Phil better take this to the finish line or i'll be .... ::MonkeyMad:: As i said in my previous post!If i was Deepak/Satish i woulda had my family off that rock long ago...Like Arthur in Michael Clayton.They know,and where a part of way too much!!Do you think Paulus ever sleeps comfortably at night with K2 and is spawn running around?I don't..SWEATY MAN EACH AND EVERY NIGHT.....Sorry for the visual! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 02:11:34 AM
 3 Guests   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 02:14:43 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Time will tell.My prayers are that it doesn't just silently disappear!As you know i'm a big fan of movies.A favorite movie of mine is Michael Clayton with George Clooney.If you've seen it you understand somethings are handled a little differently...Hopefully in this case!Justice will be served before the silence occurs... ::MonkeyCool::

I can't bear to think that way.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Dr.Phil better take this to the finish line or i'll be .... ::MonkeyMad:: As i said in my previous post!If i was Deepak/Satish i woulda had my family off that rock long ago...Like Arthur in Michael Clayton.They know,and where a part of way too much!!Do you think Paulus ever sleeps comfortably at night with K2 and is spawn running around?I don't..SWEATY MAN EACH AND EVERY NIGHT.....Sorry for the visual! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope they all live every day wondering if today is the day the truth will be known....

I hope they have to make double takes thinking they see Natalee's face in the faces of others.

I hope they never have a peaceful night's sleep...ever!

I'm with robots...I hate them all!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 23, 2009, 02:23:35 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Time will tell.My prayers are that it doesn't just silently disappear!As you know i'm a big fan of movies.A favorite movie of mine is Michael Clayton with George Clooney.If you've seen it you understand somethings are handled a little differently...Hopefully in this case!Justice will be served before the silence occurs... ::MonkeyCool::

I can't bear to think that way.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Dr.Phil better take this to the finish line or i'll be .... ::MonkeyMad:: As i said in my previous post!If i was Deepak/Satish i woulda had my family off that rock long ago...Like Arthur in Michael Clayton.They know,and where a part of way too much!!Do you think Paulus ever sleeps comfortably at night with K2 and is spawn running around?I don't..SWEATY MAN EACH AND EVERY NIGHT.....Sorry for the visual! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope they all live every day wondering if today is the day the truth will be known....

I hope they have to make double takes thinking they see Natalee's face in the faces of others.

I hope they never have a peaceful night's sleep...ever!

I'm with robots...I hate them all!


 ::MonkeyCool::


I have a feeling your hope isn't necessary,although it is appreciated!Me thinks that quiet time,when the head is laying on the pillow and there's nothing else going on,all they see is Natalee Holloway and the EVIL they've done!They know,God know's,God know's what they've done............. ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & 3 GUESTS

KEEPTHEFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 02:27:18 AM
From you sharing what you have Billb,KTF thinks tha youngins are very proud of you and the bride,and the job ya both did raisin them!One can only hope they have a sense of humor like their father.Humor will get ya through the worst of days,that's why we appreciate the time you do stop in!aLRIght.Enough of the Bromance sh_T!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was thinking the same!   ::MonkeyHeart::

KTF...this like minds stuff is gettin' skeeeeerrry!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have to disagree on some things though! ::MonkeyTease::

That's o.k. since I know I'm right!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Time will tell.My prayers are that it doesn't just silently disappear!As you know i'm a big fan of movies.A favorite movie of mine is Michael Clayton with George Clooney.If you've seen it you understand somethings are handled a little differently...Hopefully in this case!Justice will be served before the silence occurs... ::MonkeyCool::

I can't bear to think that way.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Dr.Phil better take this to the finish line or i'll be .... ::MonkeyMad:: As i said in my previous post!If i was Deepak/Satish i woulda had my family off that rock long ago...Like Arthur in Michael Clayton.They know,and where a part of way too much!!Do you think Paulus ever sleeps comfortably at night with K2 and is spawn running around?I don't..SWEATY MAN EACH AND EVERY NIGHT.....Sorry for the visual! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope they all live every day wondering if today is the day the truth will be known....

I hope they have to make double takes thinking they see Natalee's face in the faces of others.

I hope they never have a peaceful night's sleep...ever!

I'm with robots...I hate them all!


 ::MonkeyCool::


I have a feeling your hope isn't necessary,although it is appreciated!Me thinks that quiet time,when the head is laying on the pillow and there's nothing else going on,all they see is Natalee Holloway and the EVIL they've done!They know,God know's,God know's what they've done............. ::MonkeyAngel::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & 3 GUESTS

KEEPTHEFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

Good night, and God bless you too Keepthefaith!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 02:28:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)





Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 02:30:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)





Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice::
It's coming......
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 23, 2009, 08:59:37 AM
Thanks TxMom!

I've been hoping for news on this, and I'm thrilled to see that Brinkman hasn't dropped it.

This may have been posted at the time...I don't remember so I'm posting it just in case it wasn't.

http://parlis.nl/kst131663

Google translation:

Netherlands Antilles political process; Amending motion to replace Chief Justice of Aruba Rijksrecherche inquiry into quality time first decision and 10 days examination Natalee Holloway disappearance

File    KST131663

Category (s)    Criminal law and criminal procedure

Constitutional and Administrative Law

File    31,568 44

Location    Parliamentary paper 2008-2009, 31,568, 44, House

From   States General Petitioner amendment / motion    BRINKMAN

Publication Date    19/06/2009

Date down    09/06/2009

Document ID    KST131663

Size    1

Content    31 568 Political Process Netherlands Antilles

Nr. 44 AMENDED MOTION OF THE MEMBER BRINKMAN TO REPLACE OF THE PRINTED UNDER NO. 40

Proposed June 9, 2009

The Court, heard the discussion, noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba is replaced
are; noting that there are still many questions about the justice and police tional research during the first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

Whereas, it is of the utmost importance that clear which mistakes have been made in those crucial first ten days of the investigation;

Calls on the Government to the Government of Aruba to insist on a Aruban application to view a Netherlands-Dutch imperial searching inquiry into the quality and the decision points during the first ten days of the judicial and police investigation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and proceeded to the order of the day.

Brinkman
House of the States General
2
2008-2009 Annual Meeting
KST131663
0809tkkst31568-44
ISSN 0921 - 7371
Sdu Uitgevers
's-Gravenhage 2009 Second Chamber, 2008-2009, 31 568, 44



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 23, 2009, 02:57:31 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 03:00:19 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=59837820989&topic=11340

Topic: VIOLENT HUMAN TRAFFICKER SABAN BARAN FLEES DUTCH PRISON
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Post #1
Michelle wrote on September 17, 2009 at 4:50pm
Dutch police were hunting Thursday for one of the country's most notorious human traffickers after he fled while on a temporarily release from prison to visit his wife and newborn baby.

A court's decision last week to allow Saban Baran out of his cell for a week to visit his family has caused outrage in the Netherlands, where he was serving a seven-and-a-half-year sentence for human trafficking.

"We are talking here about a terrible blunder in the law," said Fred Teeven, a former senior prosecutor who is now a lawmaker for the center-right Liberal Party.

Baran, 38, was convicted last year of leading a gang notorious for forcing more than 100 women into prostitution, tattooing some of them to mark them as the gang's property. Prosecutors also say some women who came from Germany and eastern Europe were forced to have breast implants and illegal abortions while working in brothels in Amsterdam and other Dutch cities.

READ HERE:

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2009/09/human-trafficker-saban-baran-flees-from.html


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kNWmfKARQ_I/SrLJAZ-RunI/AAAAAAAAD1c/-XoFloORHD8/s400/sabanbaran1_jpg_657749d.jpg)

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/09/fury_over_human_trafficker_esc.php

Fury over human trafficker escape

Thursday 17 September 2009

MPs have demanded justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin explain how a convicted and violent human trafficker came to be given a few days leave from prison and then vanished.

Saban Baran is currently appealing against a 7.5 year jail sentence for forcing over 100 women into prostitution, together with his brother.

Baran had been allowed home to visit his new baby, born to one of his trafficking victims whom he married from jail in January.

According to the Telegraaf, the Arnhem court gave the go-ahead to the compassionate leave, despite the objections of the public prosecution department, which said he was a flight risk and that it had been tipped off he was making travel plans.

Police say they expect Baran has fled to Turkey and an international arrest warrant has been issued. The Netherlands does not have an extradition treaty with Turkey.



http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/press-review-23-september-2009

All of the papers report that Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin will appear in the lower house of parliament today to explain why the Arnhem Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) allowed a violent and dangerous prisoner, who was a known flight risk, to go on leave.

Saban Baran, serving a 7 and-a-half year jail sentence for forced prostitution and human trafficking, was allowed unsupervised leave in order to be present at the birth of his child and spend a week with the newborn. He was told to report to police every day but failed to do so on Friday the 11th of September. Police didn't report the matter to the OM until Monday the 14th. A judge didn't get around to approving an arrest warrant until the 15th. Trouw, De Telegraaf and de Volkskrant all report that the justice minister wants tighter regulations governing leave for prisoners.

The issue has come up several time before now and the minister’s plans to tighten the rules does rather have the appearance of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted and the barn has burned down.

Trouw writes that many of the women who were forced into prostitution by Baran are terrified and have gone into hiding. Sanne Kroon of Bonded Labour in the Netherlands, an organisation that helps victims of human trafficking, says the organisation's telephone has been ringing constantly since Baran escaped and his victims, already severely traumatised, are terrified.

Ms Kroon says the Dutch justice system has been severely damaged by the incident and tells the paper that one victim rang and said "I've been living in hell because of what he did to me and he gets a week's holiday, I don't understand it". Neither do I.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 03:01:56 PM
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Hi 2NJ!  I hope you're having a good day!  I think I'm having another Monday!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Hoping it will get better...   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 23, 2009, 03:04:28 PM
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Good afternoon 2NJ, TM and all monkeys. Have a wonderful day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Thanks TxMom!

I've been hoping for news on this, and I'm thrilled to see that Brinkman hasn't dropped it.

This may have been posted at the time...I don't remember so I'm posting it just in case it wasn't.

http://parlis.nl/kst131663

Google translation:

Netherlands Antilles political process; Amending motion to replace Chief Justice of Aruba Rijksrecherche inquiry into quality time first decision and 10 days examination Natalee Holloway disappearance

File    KST131663

Category (s)    Criminal law and criminal procedure

Constitutional and Administrative Law

File    31,568 44

Location    Parliamentary paper 2008-2009, 31,568, 44, House

From   States General Petitioner amendment / motion    BRINKMAN

Publication Date    19/06/2009

Date down    09/06/2009

Document ID    KST131663

Size    1

Content    31 568 Political Process Netherlands Antilles

Nr. 44 AMENDED MOTION OF THE MEMBER BRINKMAN TO REPLACE OF THE PRINTED UNDER NO. 40

Proposed June 9, 2009

The Court, heard the discussion, noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba is replaced
are; noting that there are still many questions about the justice and police tional research during the first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

Whereas, it is of the utmost importance that clear which mistakes have been made in those crucial first ten days of the investigation;

Calls on the Government to the Government of Aruba to insist on a Aruban application to view a Netherlands-Dutch imperial searching inquiry into the quality and the decision points during the first ten days of the judicial and police investigation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and proceeded to the order of the day.

Brinkman
House of the States General
2
2008-2009 Annual Meeting
KST131663
0809tkkst31568-44
ISSN 0921 - 7371
Sdu Uitgevers
's-Gravenhage 2009 Second Chamber, 2008-2009, 31 568, 44


I'm thinking there was discussion and a vote against Brinkman's motion...but I'm not positive about that.  I plan to do some more searching for that later this evening.  I'd looked at all the Dutch I could last night and decided to try again tonight.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
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Good afternoon 2NJ, TM and all monkeys. Have a wonderful day.

Hi SuzieQ!  I hope you have a wonderful day too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 03:13:55 PM


See ya later!   ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 05:44:59 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62858.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Premier hits out at police and CBB

September 23, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has, in response to the call of Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) sent a letter to Lydia Emerencia, chairman of this committee. This letter shows the Prime Minister know sorry to find that "there are still people and authorities, who believe that as Prime Minister I am responsible for everything that may or may not happen on this island". This refers to the minister's call CBB to his person in his capacity as prime minister to take action against Edmond Croes, because the radio station through its control of an illegal parade and then threatening the prosecution of a popular uprising. "I am the Minister responsible, while the authority of the Prime Minister is respected, even by the authorities which are first called to this authority in daily practice to perform."

The Prime Minister then gave in his letter "the information of CBB" a list of things which he considered the police has failed in its duties. "My whole cabinet was kidnapped by strikers, including members of the Police Corps. The procession of MEP, that all necessary permits had been disrupted at several places and some members of the party were threatened. "Oduber Prime Minister also mentions inter alia that the police chief Peter White had denied that MEP had filed an application for a parade. "The parade of AVP was not enough to place more agents to be deployed and there was even a special permit issued for overtime. The parade of MEP was accompanied by only three officers in front, while other parties back to the parade could disrupt heart without police intervention ", said Oduber. The prime minister also agents would have insulted people, their only then to recommend a place to leave. "It is the civilized behavior of the followers and the leadership of MEP thanks that things have not gone hand," said the premier.

The Prime Minister said "very disappointed" at what he 'lack of response "calls on the part of the CBB to include" serious warning "of the OM at the insistence of the CBB to address Edmond Croes, the pressure from Valero its employees make to government regarding the tax and the "inappropriate" interference Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) in the elections when, in a speech to Dutch resident said that Aruba Aruba Netherlands need for good administration.

Oduber conclude by saying that he does not want to be out on how he should do and that the covenant of CBB is not signed by all parties. This would CBB therefore have no authority, said the premier. "Maybe if she still its purpose, which is a party beplaade interfere in its activities, it later - depending on who comes to power - still gets its legitimacy."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 05:57:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62862.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Impunity over arms

September 23, 2009, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Owners of firearms or ammunition without a license, they can now get away until November 20 to return to the police. Justice decided to include this measure in view of the parliamentary elections on Friday to improve safety and to preserve public order.

The police, the Security and the Public Prosecutor (OM) reiterate their concerns about the number of illegal weapons. "Against these naturally occurred," said the OM. "Certainly because of the approaching elections where it has become clear that the emotions and tempers rise quickly expressed." The prosecution also said that stricter action against illegal gun possession. Who after November is still in possession of illegal weapons, can count on a "hard hand". That means at least that suspects be arrested immediately and where they end up in the cell until the case comes to court, to stay. The prosecution will also demand an unconditional imprisonment. Justice also points out that in recent appeal by the judges in a verdict that person is guilty only to the criminal offense of illegal possession of arms, an unconditional prison sentence of one years or more imposed should be given. The prosecution says he hope that everyone understands that the stricter approach contributes to a safer Aruba.

The progress or outcome of the working group dealing with the rules on the firearm possession, makes the OM again failed. The Group would, given the seriousness of the case, the short-term results.

In May the group started with more clarity in the regulations. This following several incidents including the arrest of surgeon René de Cuba, a large number of prohibited weapons and ammunition in his house had. These weapons were of the gun club where he was a member. During a burglary, they were closed so justice was aware of the arsenal.

The weapons for Cuba did not have a personal license. They were of the shooting club who are in possession of a permit. Under the rules of the association, the weapons kept at home, being a safe place in a cabinet or gun safe. The doctor, the weapons are safe approved by the association, stolen.

Several reported that the rifle is always tolerated that members take weapons home. OM It is, however, that members of a shooting that narrowing keep weapons at home, a separate authorization, should have.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 06:01:22 PM

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12274/5/

Papiamentu translation:

black hog saloon owing to burn can completo

tuesday, 22 september 2009 - 00:42 ` new photos!

for more or less 12:30am owing to enter informacion cu black hog saloon is at candela. the first unidad of 24ora.com is at the sitio of incidente y is raporta cu the lugar is below ; flame y below ; smoke. entretanto already two unidad of cuerpo of bombero is at the sitio for try combati the candela. black hog saloon have some month end close after cu the donjo owing to bandona the business. all the time tax y another institutonan owing to let place beslag on the property y mueblesnan all owing to stay bendi. update: after of more cu 1 hour y mey still can owing to see vlamnan is leave for of the establicimento. various pick-up of brandweer owing to come y bay for of the sitio for so bring more material. click read more for her reportahe fotografico. come across

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Close · Aruba, September 22nd, 2009


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 DECEMBER 2003 under serial number 31205.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL
 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, NOORD
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   BLACK HOG SALOON RENTAL N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   12 DECEMBER 2003
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MENDES, JOSEPH BRITO;
Residing in   KURIMIAUW 4, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   U.S.A., SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS on 26 APRIL 1938
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   12 DECEMBER 2003
Authority   FULL
 
DILL, DANIEL FREDRICK;
Residing in   1510 AMNESTYLANE P.O. B964, EL RENO, 73036 OKLAHOMA, U.S.A.
Born in   U.S.A., EL RENO, OKLAHOMA on 4 APRIL 1955
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   7 DECEMBER 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

- HET HUREN EN VERHUREN VAN BROM- EN MOTORFIETSEN;
- HET REPAREREN EN ONDERHOUDEN VAN ONDER PUNT 1 GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN;
- DE KLEINHANDEL IN ONDERDELEN EN BENODIGDHEDEN VOOR GENOEMDE RIJTUIGEN,
ALSMEDE IN BIJBEHORENDE SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.

Google translation:

- RENT AND THE HIRING OF BROM AND MOTORCYCLES;
- THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES LISTED IN ITEM 1;
- RETAIL TRADE IN PARTS AND SUPPLIES FOR SAID VEHICLES,
AND IN ASSOCIATED SOUVENIERARTIKELEN.
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62795.php

Google translation:

Black Hog in flames

September 22, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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The former bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night burned.

ORANGE CITY - The vacant building formerly bikerbar Black Hog Saloon last night completely burnt. Around half past twelve at night the fire was reported the fire and pulled out a few units. It soon turned more manpower and equipment needed and was invoked to reinforce the raging fire under control. To our knowledge nobody got hurt. The spokesman of the fire was not available this morning to clarify the cause of the fire or the extent of the damage.

From one day to shut the Adventure Golf complex in May of this year its doors, containing Alfredo's restaurant and Black Hog Saloon. The management of the company changed time, without notice to staff or customers, the locks and let employees know in writing that their contracts would be terminated. Then, the complex stood empty and gave the still water huge stench in the neighborhood. Also, the building was visited by burglars and vandals in a June havoc havoc in the bar.

When vacant buildings/businesses go up in flames after midnight....one goes hmmmmmm..... ::MonkeyDevil2::

That's for sure!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62860.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Fire lit Black Hog

September 23, 2009, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The raging fire yesterday with Black Hog Saloon in flames, was "very probably lit. This report Gabriel Kelly, spokesman for the fire. He suspects arson because the building had long been empty and no gas or electricity was present.

Kelly says that the arrival of the fire, the house was "on fire" was. They were told that there may be gas in the bar would be present and were therefore more cautious. After consultation with staff Arugas However, there appeared to be an explosion, because there were no more gas. Elektriciteitsbedrijf Elmar further confirmed that the property no longer had power. "To my knowledge there is no technical research done by the TOD," said Kelly. "A vacant building with no electricity or gas, but not necessarily fly in fire."

The Black Hog Saloon Adventure Golf was part of the complex containing a miniature golf course and Italian restaurant. The restaurant and golf course are largely spared, said firemen. The wooden part which was in the saloon is completely burnt. "Fortunately, the burning building no further danger to the environment. It then got hurt anyone. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62861.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Candidates Campaign closing off

September 23, 2009, 14:01 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/23-aruba-sluiting_andy_lee_.gif)

Links: Tico Croes together with the followers of AVP during the closure of Andy Lee's campaign. Right: Rudy Croes playing with Grupo di Betico during the closing campaign of Evelyn Wever-Croes (MEP).

ORANGE CITY - A number of individual politicians yesterday joined their festive campaigns off with their followers. In Santa Cruz combined Evelyn Wever-Croes (MEP) on the square Betico its campaign to end the official farewell to her Uncle Rudy Croes, from politics graduate. Croes played with his Grupo di Betico for the present, including Charles Cooper, leader of the party Curacao MAN. Farther, in Macuarima, joined Andy Lee (AVP) off his campaign at the home of his parents. Party Atan Lee was master of ceremonies and celebrity candidates Whitney Kock and Manolo Besselink gave speeches, and party leader Mike Eman. Eman then moved immediately to cede in Paradera where Otmar Oduber gave his closing party. Striking was the appearance of Tico Croes on the feast of Andy Lee. The former politician was greeted like a lost son by the supporters present. In Brazil drew Booshi Wever (MEP) another large crowd to his house, with performances by the popular band Le Groove. Tonight the big parties close off their respective campaigns. AVP is organizing a veritable parade of lighting up eight trailers and MEP brings wereldact Kassav heart to Santa Cruz.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 06:19:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62855.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Police on YouTube

September 23, 2009, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Police Corps of Aruba (KPA) has embraced modern technology to the public about "how to behave" on Election Day next Friday. Police spokesman Papito Comenencia said in 2 minutes lasting film on the YouTube guidelines which people must adhere.


During the movie he calls for everyone: the police strict orders and instructions to follow, to respect dissent, as early as possible to vote one days in advance of any early election to fill up (about the length rows), not to provoke others with words or deeds, to let people calm and not bother voting at polling stations. "Gatherings and the forms of spontaneous parades should be avoided. Behave responsibly in traffic and do not forget there are other drivers, "says Comenencia further in the internet movie.

Also ask the police to moderate alcohol to deal with and especially not to drink driving. "Stick with the traffic and be a gentleman in traffic. Leave children at home, do not drive around with them. If people want to drive around with little children, let them sit back in a child with belts. "Lastly, the police spokesman out to all voters in the voting to take a valid ID, such as a passport, identity card (cédula) or license. The movie is available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-99mrrrvSMc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 23, 2009, 08:55:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62858.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Premier hits out at police and CBB     ::MonkeyMad::

September 23, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has, in response to the call of Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) sent a letter to Lydia Emerencia, chairman of this committee. This letter shows the Prime Minister know sorry to find that "there are still people and authorities, who believe that as Prime Minister I am responsible for everything that may or may not happen on this island". This refers to the minister's call CBB to his person in his capacity as prime minister to take action against Edmond Croes, because the radio station through its control of an illegal parade and then threatening the prosecution of a popular uprising. "I am the Minister responsible, while the authority of the Prime Minister is respected, even by the authorities which are first called to this authority in daily practice to perform."

The Prime Minister then gave in his letter "the information of CBB" a list of things which he considered the police has failed in its duties. "My whole cabinet was kidnapped by strikers, including members of the Police Corps. The procession of MEP, that all necessary permits had been disrupted at several places and some members of the party were threatened. "Oduber Prime Minister also mentions inter alia that the police chief Peter White had denied that MEP had filed an application for a parade. "The parade of AVP was not enough to place more agents to be deployed and there was even a special permit issued for overtime. The parade of MEP was accompanied by only three officers in front, while other parties back to the parade could disrupt heart without police intervention ", said Oduber. The prime minister also agents would have insulted people, their only then to recommend a place to leave. "It is the civilized behavior of the followers and the leadership of MEP thanks that things have not gone hand," said the premier.

The Prime Minister said "very disappointed" at what he 'lack of response "calls on the part of the CBB to include" serious warning "of the OM at the insistence of the CBB to address Edmond Croes, the pressure from Valero its employees make to government regarding the tax and the "inappropriate" interference Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) in the elections when, in a speech to Dutch resident said that Aruba Aruba Netherlands need for good administration.

Oduber conclude by saying that he does not want to be out on how he should do and that the covenant of CBB is not signed by all parties. This would CBB therefore have no authority, said the premier. "Maybe if she still its purpose, which is a party beplaade interfere in its activities, it later - depending on who comes to power - still gets its legitimacy."

What has our CBB done this time?   ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 23, 2009, 09:14:52 PM
I posted an article in the Oil and Gas thread. Here is a paragraph out of the article.

Venezuela's state oil company PDVSA said in a statement on Tuesday that Total's investment in the Junin 10 field included the construction of an oil refinery or upgrader to turn the extra heavy crude into exportable oil.


If there is a refinery in Venezuela, than they won't need one in Aruba. I can't stand Hugo, but am rooting for this refinery. Total is a French company.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 23, 2009, 11:55:29 PM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 23, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeySlide::

I'm sorry you had trouble getting in!  The Haleigh thread has been really busy, maybe it's all the traffic... 

Maybe that's what's up with some of the night crew too!   ::MonkeyWaa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 12:02:11 AM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????

Hey, I'm not TM, but I wanted to say hi.   I'm always signed in, but I do have moments where I can't get in.  Not often, though.

Not much going on except the news that TM has posted.  She's got more energy than I.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 24, 2009, 12:05:33 AM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????

Hey, I'm not TM, but I wanted to say hi.   I'm always signed in, but I do have moments where I can't get in.  Not often, though.

Not much going on except the news that TM has posted.  She's got more energy than I.     ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi 2NJ and thanks for letting me know. Yep, TM does have energy and needs to share some with us. Sure wish something would happen soon!!!!!!!!!         ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 24, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Hey a question???? How can 2NJ's name not be above?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:08:07 AM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????

Hey, I'm not TM, but I wanted to say hi.   I'm always signed in, but I do have moments where I can't get in.  Not often, though.

Not much going on except the news that TM has posted.  She's got more energy than I.     ::MonkeyAngel::

I don't know if that's it....not today anyway.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
Hey a question???? How can 2NJ's name not be above?

She'd probably just hopped over to another thread for a minute...I see her up there now...try refreshing your page.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 12:09:56 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to those who have kept them lit and for those who have her in their prayers....we know you are out there, whether posting or not.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 12:11:34 AM
Hey a question???? How can 2NJ's name not be above?

She'd probably just hopped over to another thread for a minute...I see her up there now...try refreshing your page.

Yep, I went to get Natalee's Candles...    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 24, 2009, 12:12:27 AM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????

Hey, I'm not TM, but I wanted to say hi.   I'm always signed in, but I do have moments where I can't get in.  Not often, though.

Not much going on except the news that TM has posted.  She's got more energy than I.     ::MonkeyAngel::

I don't know if that's it....not today anyway.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Cheer up TM. Things WILL get better.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:13:36 AM
I've been searching around for a few things..this isn't what I think I'm looking for but it was a bit more on Brinkman's motion:

http://74.125.91.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://parlis.nl/pdf/handelingen/HAN8453A08.pdf&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhuRAtHi0X2dCZ6s6rqtkJBtmmH4g

At issue are the votes on motions,
submitted to the debate on the state of governance
the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, namely:
- The motion-Brinkman on an investigation Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31568, No 40);

- The motion-Brinkman investigations of the state of
the board of Curaçao and Sint Maarten (31568, No 41);
- The motion-Leerdam cs on the collection of taxes
the Netherlands Antilles (31568, 42);
- Leerdam-cs on the motion as soon as possible to do
place of the planned investments and projects
(31568, No. 43).
(See meeting of June 3, 2009.)
The Chairman: The motion-Brinkman (31568, No. 40) is
been amended so it now reads:

Motion

The Court heard the discussion, noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba will be replaced;  noting that there are many questions about the judicial and police examination during the first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

President
whereas the greatest importance clear what mistakes have been made in that crucial first ten days of the investigation;  asks the government, the government of Aruba to insist on an Aruban request to Netherlands Rijksrecherche order a Dutch study Starting at the quality and the decision points during the first ten days of the judicial and police investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and proceeded to the order of the day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:19:13 AM
Hi Texasmom. The darn site wouldn't let me sign in!!!!       ::MonkeyMad::
How's it going today and where's the night-crew????????????

Hey, I'm not TM, but I wanted to say hi.   I'm always signed in, but I do have moments where I can't get in.  Not often, though.

Not much going on except the news that TM has posted.  She's got more energy than I.     ::MonkeyAngel::

I don't know if that's it....not today anyway.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Cheer up TM. Things WILL get better.

Thanks cajun miracle, I know you're right.  I've just had "one of those" days when I've thought maybe I should have just stayed in bed this morning.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tomorrow will be better!    ::MonkeySkate::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:24:48 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to those who have kept them lit and for those who have her in their prayers....we know you are out there, whether posting or not.   

Thank you for reminding us 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:34:39 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Lee_Madison_Ruth_Aruba_holl.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 12:36:14 AM
I'm going to say goodnight....I know that KTF, billb and maybe hotping will possibly be here....we've got a family function Friday, so my time has been divided here and there. 

I'm not going away....

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:44:27 AM
I'm going to say goodnight....I know that KTF, billb and maybe hotping will possibly be here....we've got a family function Friday, so my time has been divided here and there. 

I'm not going away....

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm not going away either...

::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 24, 2009, 12:45:04 AM
Good Night, night time crew....... ::MonkeyDance::





World Chicken Festival<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 24, 2009, 12:45:17 AM
Nite all. Please tell the nite-crew HI for me. Busy day tomorrow.      ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:46:54 AM
Good Night, night time crew....... ::MonkeyDance::





World Chicken Festival<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 12:47:20 AM
I'm going to say goodnight....I know that KTF, billb and maybe hotping will possibly be here....we've got a family function Friday, so my time has been divided here and there. 

I'm not going away....

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Tryin to shed some weight,before i put it back on,when i head to Chicago next week!Gotta have some Chi-town pizza as well as a steak at my favorite spot in Chicago.The Chop House!!! ::MonkeyDance:: Then it's off to South Bend on Saturday morning for the UW/Notre Dame game....Gonna be a great week.... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:48:09 AM
Nite all. Please tell the nite-crew HI for me. Busy day tomorrow.      ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm probably not far behind you!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 12:48:33 AM
Good Night, night time crew....... ::MonkeyDance::





World Chicken Festival<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

GoodNight Mere..

::MonkeyBike::   ::MonkeyBike::


We're riding trikes down the nursing home hallway's Mere.. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:50:10 AM
I'm going to say goodnight....I know that KTF, billb and maybe hotping will possibly be here....we've got a family function Friday, so my time has been divided here and there. 

I'm not going away....

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Tryin to shed some weight,before i put it back on,when i head to Chicago next week!Gotta have some Chi-town pizza as well as a steak at my favorite spot in Chicago.The Chop House!!! ::MonkeyDance:: Then it's off to South Bend on Saturday morning for the UW/Notre Dame game....Gonna be a great week.... ::MonkeyFootball::

That sounds like fun KTF!  I hope you have a great trip!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 24, 2009, 12:51:57 AM
::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

I am taking them all to the festival tomorrow....lol.................. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 12:54:23 AM

 

::MonkeyHaHa::  Ya'll be careful on those trikes now....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 12:55:24 AM
I'm going to say goodnight....I know that KTF, billb and maybe hotping will possibly be here....we've got a family function Friday, so my time has been divided here and there. 

I'm not going away....

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Tryin to shed some weight,before i put it back on,when i head to Chicago next week!Gotta have some Chi-town pizza as well as a steak at my favorite spot in Chicago.The Chop House!!! ::MonkeyDance:: Then it's off to South Bend on Saturday morning for the UW/Notre Dame game....Gonna be a great week.... ::MonkeyFootball::

That sounds like fun KTF!  I hope you have a great trip!   ::MonkeyDance::

The Monkey's that are football fans and watch the UW/Notre Dame game.Do me a favor.Look for the guy wearing purple at the game.That'll be me!Thanx TM.It'll be great.Been to Chicago a few times.Great city..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 12:56:09 AM
::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

I am taking them all to the festival tomorrow....lol.................. ::MonkeyBike::

That is too funny Mere! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 01:01:38 AM
I'm going to say goodnight....I know that KTF, billb and maybe hotping will possibly be here....we've got a family function Friday, so my time has been divided here and there. 

I'm not going away....

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Tryin to shed some weight,before i put it back on,when i head to Chicago next week!Gotta have some Chi-town pizza as well as a steak at my favorite spot in Chicago.The Chop House!!! ::MonkeyDance:: Then it's off to South Bend on Saturday morning for the UW/Notre Dame game....Gonna be a great week.... ::MonkeyFootball::

That sounds like fun KTF!  I hope you have a great trip!   ::MonkeyDance::

The Monkey's that are football fans and watch the UW/Notre Dame game.Do me a favor.Look for the guy wearing purple at the game.That'll be me!Thanx TM.It'll be great.Been to Chicago a few times.Great city..

I went to Chicago when I was very young, barely remember it.  If it hadn't been for the terrifying roller coaster ride I experienced I probably wouldn't remember it at all.  I saw it from a distance as a grown up when my sister's and I were on a road trip, we didn't go into the city.  We'd planned on going to one of Oprah's shows, but she was on hiatus...so we didn't make that stop.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 01:08:35 AM
From reading all those articles from Aruba,it really seems they have their heads up their Hiney's....That's what me thinks..Hell,for all we know,Deliverance could be the country's national movie...squeal like a pig! ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 01:13:41 AM
From reading all those articles from Aruba,it really seems they have their heads up their Hiney's....That's what me thinks..Hell,for all we know,Deliverance could be the country's national movie...squeal like a pig! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

They definitely have a different mentality...to put it nicely.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
From reading all those articles from Aruba,it really seems they have their heads up their Hiney's....That's what me thinks..Hell,for all we know,Deliverance could be the country's national movie...squeal like a pig! ::MonkeySlide::

Billb must've heard the PIG...... ::MonkeyLaugh:: I kid you Billb! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 01:26:12 AM
From reading all those articles from Aruba,it really seems they have their heads up their Hiney's....That's what me thinks..Hell,for all we know,Deliverance could be the country's national movie...squeal like a pig! ::MonkeySlide::

Billb must've heard the PIG...... ::MonkeyLaugh:: I kid you Billb! ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 01:29:43 AM

I'm calling it a night, I've got a busy day ahead tomorrow! 

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 01:34:18 AM

I'm calling it a night, I've got a busy day ahead tomorrow! 

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Goodnight & God Bless TM.I won't be far behind ya.Just browsing different oil stuff!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 01:37:02 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)


Hope is the inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage....

It's the guarantee that there's light at the end of whatever tunnel we're trying to find our way through....

It's more than just wishful thinking....

It's more than just a feeling....


Beth Holloway

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 24, 2009, 01:39:51 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)


Hope is the inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage....

It's the guarantee that there's light at the end of whatever tunnel we're trying to find our way through....

It's more than just wishful thinking....

It's more than just a feeling....


Beth Holloway

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif)

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 01:41:25 AM
::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice::
It's coming......
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 24, 2009, 10:17:03 AM


Thx TxMom!

So if I read that right, the decision was to insist that Aruba make the formal request of the Netherlands for them to come in and investigate those first 10 days?


I've been searching around for a few things..this isn't what I think I'm looking for but it was a bit more on Brinkman's motion:

http://74.125.91.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://parlis.nl/pdf/handelingen/HAN8453A08.pdf&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhuRAtHi0X2dCZ6s6rqtkJBtmmH4g

At issue are the votes on motions,
submitted to the debate on the state of governance
the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, namely:
- The motion-Brinkman on an investigation Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31568, No 40);

- The motion-Brinkman investigations of the state of
the board of Curaçao and Sint Maarten (31568, No 41);
- The motion-Leerdam cs on the collection of taxes
the Netherlands Antilles (31568, 42);
- Leerdam-cs on the motion as soon as possible to do
place of the planned investments and projects
(31568, No. 43).
(See meeting of June 3, 2009.)
The Chairman: The motion-Brinkman (31568, No. 40) is
been amended so it now reads:

Motion

The Court heard the discussion, noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba will be replaced;  noting that there are many questions about the judicial and police examination during the first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

President
whereas the greatest importance clear what mistakes have been made in that crucial first ten days of the investigation;  asks the government, the government of Aruba to insist on an Aruban request to Netherlands Rijksrecherche order a Dutch study Starting at the quality and the decision points during the first ten days of the judicial and police investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and proceeded to the order of the day.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 24, 2009, 12:40:19 PM
Good Day, Monkeys!

Don't think this has been posted yet:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&sid=a63JiZ2hVDwA

Westin Aruba

Properties whose loans have been sent to a special servicer include Belfonti Capital-owned Westin Aruba Resort & Spa, which is collateral for a $230 million loan, according to Realpoint. The property is managed by Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc.

The property’s occupancy rate dropped to 41 percent in May from an average of 63 percent in 2008, the report said. Servicers are used when a loan is in or near default and needs to be reviewed or modified, according to Innaurato.

The Westin Aruba has been hurt by competition from a 450- room luxury resort built next door, Realpoint said. Belfonti Capital in New York didn’t respond to a voicemail seeking comment.

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Believe Mark Purcell has some connection to this deal.  I wonder if CharlieRat is still saying they have 80+ occupancy rates.  Note the entire article is about lots of hotels in trouble financially world wide.

I remember once posting that it would be a real disaster if tourism tanked AND the refinery closed.  Was told by the Refugees that this could never happen.

HA!

I'm still reading.  I still think what I think and know what I know, just not much to add or say these days.

Keep up the good work TxMom especially all you do in the M&C thread.  I think it is a source for some judging by the high number of hits.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 01:04:35 PM
Good Day, Monkeys!

Don't think this has been posted yet:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&sid=a63JiZ2hVDwA

Westin Aruba

Properties whose loans have been sent to a special servicer include Belfonti Capital-owned Westin Aruba Resort & Spa, which is collateral for a $230 million loan, according to Realpoint. The property is managed by Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc.

The property’s occupancy rate dropped to 41 percent in May from an average of 63 percent in 2008, the report said. Servicers are used when a loan is in or near default and needs to be reviewed or modified, according to Innaurato.

The Westin Aruba has been hurt by competition from a 450- room luxury resort built next door, Realpoint said. Belfonti Capital in New York didn’t respond to a voicemail seeking comment.

----------

Believe Mark Purcell has some connection to this deal.  I wonder if CharlieRat is still saying they have 80+ occupancy rates.  Note the entire article is about lots of hotels in trouble financially world wide.

I remember once posting that it would be a real disaster if tourism tanked AND the refinery closed.  Was told by the Refugees that this could never happen.

HA!

I'm still reading.  I still think what I think and know what I know, just not much to add or say these days.

Keep up the good work TxMom especially all you do in the M&C thread.  I think it is a source for some judging by the high number of hits.



Thanks, Anna.....good to see you.   Wondering if the story I posted yesterday in the AHATA thread...regarding new general manager at Westin is an attempt to turn the circumstances around? 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5523.msg954629#msg954629


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
Good Day, Monkeys!

Don't think this has been posted yet:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&sid=a63JiZ2hVDwA

Westin Aruba

Properties whose loans have been sent to a special servicer include Belfonti Capital-owned Westin Aruba Resort & Spa, which is collateral for a $230 million loan, according to Realpoint. The property is managed by Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc.

The property’s occupancy rate dropped to 41 percent in May from an average of 63 percent in 2008, the report said. Servicers are used when a loan is in or near default and needs to be reviewed or modified, according to Innaurato.

The Westin Aruba has been hurt by competition from a 450- room luxury resort built next door, Realpoint said. Belfonti Capital in New York didn’t respond to a voicemail seeking comment.

----------

Believe Mark Purcell has some connection to this deal.  I wonder if CharlieRat is still saying they have 80+ occupancy rates.  Note the entire article is about lots of hotels in trouble financially world wide.

I remember once posting that it would be a real disaster if tourism tanked AND the refinery closed.  Was told by the Refugees that this could never happen.

HA!

I'm still reading.  I still think what I think and know what I know, just not much to add or say these days.

Keep up the good work TxMom especially all you do in the M&C thread.  I think it is a source for some judging by the high number of hits.



Hi Anna!   ::MonkeySlide::  Good to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for bringing that article about the Westin over.  I find that very interesting considering some articles I've read recently in Awe Mainta.

9/17/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09172009AweMaintaPg2_Westin.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

declaracionnan contradictorio tocante situation financiero of westin

rumornan strong is coriendo cu the situation of westin resort is uno bad caminda cu even is wordo talk cu the will can bay bancarota.

in interview cu rudy geerman of fta past owing to tell cu the compania internacional here is in one situation financiero much bad. the sindicato here have some acolyte n’e hotel here y they're dispuesto for haci thing have to for they.

according rudy geerman localmente not have mucho informacion on the situation y is buscando on level internacional, but if past owing to acentua cu the situation of the compania is uno much dificil. after of the declaracionnan here did take contacto cu gerente general of the resort, richard roy, that owing to desmenti cu the resort will is bayendo bancarota. awemainta will follow vigila the desaroyo of the resort here y is wait for cu of berdad all cos bay good, because is deal here of bread of cientos of trahadornan cu will can core danger.

9/19/2009 Awe Mainta Page 22

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09192009AweMaintaPg22_Westin.jpg)

Notice this one's in English so we can all read it!   ::MonkeyWink::

I got a "hinkey" feeling when I read that response considering the seemingly "desperate" recent promotion that the Westin offered...that has been commented about by many news sources.

 ::MonkeyRoll::


9/14/2009

http://www.telegraaf.nl/stopdecrisis/4832864/__Seks_geeft_korting_op_hotelovernachting__.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09142009DeTelegraph_WestinPromotion.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 03:02:26 PM


Thx TxMom!

So if I read that right, the decision was to insist that Aruba make the formal request of the Netherlands for them to come in and investigate those first 10 days?


I've been searching around for a few things..this isn't what I think I'm looking for but it was a bit more on Brinkman's motion:

http://74.125.91.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://parlis.nl/pdf/handelingen/HAN8453A08.pdf&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhuRAtHi0X2dCZ6s6rqtkJBtmmH4g

At issue are the votes on motions,
submitted to the debate on the state of governance
the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, namely:
- The motion-Brinkman on an investigation Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31568, No 40);

- The motion-Brinkman investigations of the state of
the board of Curaçao and Sint Maarten (31568, No 41);
- The motion-Leerdam cs on the collection of taxes
the Netherlands Antilles (31568, 42);
- Leerdam-cs on the motion as soon as possible to do
place of the planned investments and projects
(31568, No. 43).
(See meeting of June 3, 2009.)
The Chairman: The motion-Brinkman (31568, No. 40) is
been amended so it now reads:

Motion

The Court heard the discussion, noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba will be replaced;  noting that there are many questions about the judicial and police examination during the first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

President
whereas the greatest importance clear what mistakes have been made in that crucial first ten days of the investigation;  asks the government, the government of Aruba to insist on an Aruban request to Netherlands Rijksrecherche order a Dutch study Starting at the quality and the decision points during the first ten days of the judicial and police investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and proceeded to the order of the day.


That was my understanding of it too, jen.  I'm still trying to get more information.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 24, 2009, 05:13:43 PM
Hi afternoon monkeys....thanks for information you continually provide...... ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 05:21:23 PM
Hi afternoon monkeys....thanks for information you continually provide...... ::MonkeyJustice::




Good afternoon Mere!    ::MonkeySkate::
 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62858.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Premier hits out at police and CBB

September 23, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has, in response to the call of Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) sent a letter to Lydia Emerencia, chairman of this committee. This letter shows the Prime Minister know sorry to find that "there are still people and authorities, who believe that as Prime Minister I am responsible for everything that may or may not happen on this island". This refers to the minister's call CBB to his person in his capacity as prime minister to take action against Edmond Croes, because the radio station through its control of an illegal parade and then threatening the prosecution of a popular uprising. "I am the Minister responsible, while the authority of the Prime Minister is respected, even by the authorities which are first called to this authority in daily practice to perform."

The Prime Minister then gave in his letter "the information of CBB" a list of things which he considered the police has failed in its duties. "My whole cabinet was kidnapped by strikers, including members of the Police Corps. The procession of MEP, that all necessary permits had been disrupted at several places and some members of the party were threatened. "Oduber Prime Minister also mentions inter alia that the police chief Peter White had denied that MEP had filed an application for a parade. "The parade of AVP was not enough to place more agents to be deployed and there was even a special permit issued for overtime. The parade of MEP was accompanied by only three officers in front, while other parties back to the parade could disrupt heart without police intervention ", said Oduber. The prime minister also agents would have insulted people, their only then to recommend a place to leave. "It is the civilized behavior of the followers and the leadership of MEP thanks that things have not gone hand," said the premier.

The Prime Minister said "very disappointed" at what he 'lack of response "calls on the part of the CBB to include" serious warning "of the OM at the insistence of the CBB to address Edmond Croes, the pressure from Valero its employees make to government regarding the tax and the "inappropriate" interference Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) in the elections when, in a speech to Dutch resident said that Aruba Aruba Netherlands need for good administration.

Oduber conclude by saying that he does not want to be out on how he should do and that the covenant of CBB is not signed by all parties. This would CBB therefore have no authority, said the premier. "Maybe if she still its purpose, which is a party beplaade interfere in its activities, it later - depending on who comes to power - still gets its legitimacy."

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62893.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

CBB to Prime Minister: "Show more respect '

September 24, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Lydia Emerencia, president of Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB), in a press release published today announced Prime Minister Nelson Oduber a letter sent in response to his letter to the commission last Tuesday.

In this letter reached the Prime Minister to the police, the leadership corps, Canal 90 and various employers and schools that political propaganda by opponents of MEP in their area allowed. He also accused them CBB MEP consciously want to undermine. Emerencia said on several points that Oduber said to have reacted. Attention should be given to the expression of the Prime Minister that while authoritative institutions fail in their duties and while the office of the Prime Minister is not respected, it is difficult to maintain public order. "CBB accentuates its side that Aruba law as legal instruments available with which public policy can be guaranteed and the government have enough of institutions so provide. CBB is also convinced that if these institutions were not properly functioning tools are in place to correct this. "

Respectfully
Furthermore it does Emerencia in its appeal letter to Prime Minister Oduber to the positive developments on the island to recognize and appreciate. Something what CBB "is critical in terms of consolidating our democracy and strengthening confidence in the government. Emerencia: "CBB believes that an open and respectful dialogue from the Prime Minister to the citizens, with attention and respect for their concerns and demand for harmony, will lead to unity and solidarity that our nation much needed . Emerencia also states that all complaints and comments that come with them, consistently and responsibly handled and that CBB is prepared with the Prime Minister to discuss its functions and open to suggestions on how to improve it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62896.php

Google translation:


Big parties for coalition

September 24, 2009, 13:48 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - hot topic during the election campaign for the States, who is who will later work as a coalition government be formed. The bulk MEP and AVP both call that she preferred a majority government, but not exclude other options from the outset.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Spokesman of Manolo Giel MEP advises that the yellow party, if need be, is willing to cooperate with other parties and one coalition. But he confirmed that Nel Oduber no party leader wants to hold ministerial post if his party won no majority. According to Giel is Oduber than sitting as an MP in the States.

AVP says to everyone who wants to hear that voters in small parties at risk of losing votes to MEP. "Whether by remaining seats but also because no coalition with a small party MEP excludes" said a representative of ASF.

Party Leader Rudy Lampe of the White Party RED speaks against this. "We are not a party rule under investigation for improper administration." According to RED, the Kingdom Government announced that the investigation here for 2010 will be completed and that a new Aruban government following recommendations from the report to deploy. Lampe believes that an MEP should (I think "not" should be here) be part of a new government, because "they will not investigate themselves and possibly punish. "Our party, the principles of corporate governance do not release to form a coalition," party leader said Lampe.

Monica Kock MPA intends to initially not comment on its participation in a coalition with the parties. "The people decide and I would not anticipate. What is my personal opinion, there does not matter. "In other parties so far she has not had talks about forming a new government. On programs of other parties that MPA is not at this stage to find, Kock would not initially exhausts. "It would be useful for something now, the negotiations for the government program, to tell. Moreover, MEP does not have a program. "The leader will eventually lose what matters for MPA is not negotiable: the independence of Aruba. "If the government program, then that is unacceptable for MPA. Along with the people, clearly chosen to stay in the Kingdom. "

Gregory Lacle of Partido Real Democratia (PDR) that there were no agreements about coalition. In advance so no party excluded. But he shows hints that they preferred not to present the ruling party to cooperate. "We're going to change, not continuation. If it makes clear that people must change is not obvious with the current government continue. "If the results are such that a coalition with the ruling party, the only viable option, then the PDR does not .
Max behalf of the late Robert lijsttrekker new Christian party Curpa know in advance that no party is to protect coalition. "As long as our potential coalition partners were content with our ten commandments, we are ready to work with everyone."

Edwin Duijn Field of MSI and Benny Nisbet of PPA were not available for comment this morning.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 06:20:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62891.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Chu Rincones released

September 24, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Former police officer Chu Rincones is at liberty. Rincones was arraigned yesterday morning. The court commissioner agreed to extend the warrant of detention but did not need to keep him in custody.

Around noon Rincones was again a free man, but under certain strict conditions. The former policeman, who waited a certificate of good conduct to be appointed as head of the immigration service, was held on suspicion of illegal possession of firearms. After a burglary in his house, while Rincones resided abroad, the police discovered a firearm during the trace evidence. The former policeman was therefore arrested on Friday, September 4 at the jail and detained in Santa Cruz. A day later he saved the life of a fellow prisoner. That night hit Rincones alarm when in the cell next to him a prisoner own lives trying to rob. On September 9, his detention was extended Rincones transferred to KIA. The extension of detention for many Rincones was unexpected because little or no flight risk or risk of recurrence would be. It is reported that Rincones, who was also loyal campaigner for Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP), at the time of the call of the Public Prosecutor (OM) to the population in order to supply weapons to the police, the firearm in his possession received.

The prosecution stated in response that the suspension of the deposited Chu Rincones argument in itself nothing to do with the current period in which holders of firearms or ammunition without a license until November 20 that impunity can return to the police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
O/T but kind of interesting IMO

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62883.php


Court case on bird smuggling has started

23 Sep, 2009, 08:35 (GMT -04:00)

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The three lawyers in the lawyers’ chamber of the Court of Breda. From left to right: Mr. Spong (representing Joost Pronk), Mr. Thomas (Jan de Nijs), and Mr. Koppelaar (Jaime Felix).

BREDA — The head of Veterinary Service Olaf de Haseth, official and biologist Eric Newton, Parke Tropikal-chairman Rob Vermeulen, and co-suspect Jan de Nijs were called by lawyer Gerard Spong as witness for his client Joost Pronk in the bird smuggling case. This occurred during the directional session before the Court of Breda this afternoon.

The examining magistrate determined that the testimonies could probably be taken via video conference. The witnesses will not be called before mid January. The Public Prosecutor expects to have completed the investigation around Christmas. This will be followed by a definite report and thereafter the court will meet in January for a new session. “This is not a case which we will deal with quickly,” said the Chairman of the court this afternoon.

From the provisional indictment, it appears that Parke Tropikal’s committee-member Joost Pronk and manager Jan de Nijs are considered as main suspects. They are suspected of establishing a criminal organization. Suspect Jaime Felix, who was released for the time being, was supposedly only a participant of that organization. The three had been caught trading endangered bird species. It not only concerned indigo-flinches, as previously reported, but also black-winged tanagers, blue cardinals, and redbreast cardinals. They are suspected of forgery as well.
In addition, Pronk had also supposedly threatened Parke Tropikal-chairman Rob Vermeulen. He supposedly has said that for 500 guilders he would find a Columbian assassin. The Public Prosecutor considers this as a preparation of a criminal act. Pronk must therefore give account of himself.

That is exactly the reason why Spong calls for Rob Vermeulen. “I want to know whether he took those threats seriously or not”, said the well-known criminal lawyer. Pronk told this newspaper earlier that the threat was actually an empty remark in an e-mail. “When I’m angry with my personnel, I will also often shout “I will find a Columbian assassin for you”, according to the car dealer.
According to Spong, Vermeulen should be cross-examined on the e-mails that he had gone through. “The man searched in e-mails from De Nijs, extracted information, and brought such in public. What’s make him think he is allowed to pry into other peoples papers? That is at least a violation of privacy. A lot depends on that for my client. I wonder if this is simply allowed.”

Meanwhile, Spong raised a corner of the veil on how he was going to defend Pronk. Eric Newton had advised Pronk that the birds he had traded were not endangered species. “Newton is an authoritative expert in that field”, said Spong. Olaf de Haseth would also be seriously cross-examined by the lawyer, amongst others, on blank health statements, which supposedly had been submitted. This would imply committing forgery.
De Nijs’ lawyer also wants to hear De Haseth, Newton, and Vermeulen. The witnesses appearing on behalf of Jaime Felix will be announced later. His permanent lawyer was replaced today. New witnesses could still be called during the session in January.

Felix was released this afternoon. Even though he remains a suspect, the judges determined that it was not necessary to detain him any longer. He was held in preventive custody for 41 days. His lawyer, Mr. Koppelaar, contended that Felix had a hard time in custody, in particular as he cares for his very old parents. They supposedly had ended up in isolation due to his apprehension.

Extra-photographer Stanley Ignacio was not included in the session this afternoon. “His summons is not ready yet, but he is certainly still a suspect”, says spokeswoman Mischa Tol of the Functional Office of the Public Prosecutor upon being asked. Two other traders from the Netherlands are also considered suspects in the case besides Pronk, De Nijs, Felix, and Ignacio. Tol was not able to comment any further on the two. The trade in birds had apparently started last year. The case got moving when De Nijs was apprehended at Schiphol last July. He had transported 117 birds of which 30 had died upon arrival.

Spong booked a slight success this afternoon. He pointed out that the indictments were too unclear. “They include too many facts. For example, I cannot determine the point on forgery against which my client must defend himself. Moreover, the Public Prosecutor states that he had supposedly made preparations to take Vermeulen’s and/or somebody else’s life. Are we to search the entire island of Curaçao for this person?” The court agreed with him and declared those points of the indictment as invalid. For that matter, the Public Prosecutor could straighten that out at a later stage.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62830.php


Search carried out at Chamber of Commerce

22 Sep, 2009, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)

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KRALENDIJK — The international investigation into laundering practices, gold smuggling and drug trade continued yesterday with a search carried out at the Chamber of Commerce (KvK). Members of the RST (Criminal Investigating Cooperation Team of the Antilles, Aruba, and the Netherlands) carried out the search in the presence of the public prosecutor and the examining magistrate, and confiscated documents of companies registered with the Chamber of Commerce.

The names of the companies were not disclosed. The Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles was not available for comment this morning. Since September 8th, a dozen of more house searches were carried out on Bonaire in residences, companies, and government institutes. The investigation on the island is mainly focused on real estate (project) investments with drug monies. Meanwhile, six suspects have been apprehended on Aruba and in the Antilles in connection with this investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 24, 2009, 07:43:22 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 08:43:59 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 24, 2009, 11:13:03 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)
Thank you so much for the daily pictures of Natalee Texasmom.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Note to perps/aruba/cover up crew/american traitors/persistence...
We will NEVER FORGET what you have done.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE is the ONLY path to redemption....
You will all have to take up your case with your maker when your time comes....
Tick Tock.... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 11:36:20 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::  I hear ya, billb.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2009, 11:37:56 PM
Will be away tomorrow....

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 12:18:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)
Thank you so much for the daily pictures of Natalee Texasmom.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Note to perps/aruba/cover up crew/american traitors/persistence...
We will NEVER FORGET what you have done.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE is the ONLY path to redemption....
You will all have to take up your case with your maker when your time comes....
Tick Tock....
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


You're welcome billb!

And you are so right about all of the above.... ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 12:20:28 AM
Will be away tomorrow....

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

I hope you have a great day with your family 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 01:04:25 AM
I think I found what I was looking for.  I've translated the portions of the document that reference Brinkman's motion regarding Natalee's case.  It seems to me that the original motion and the amended motion were rejected? 

I'm going to keep looking, surely this isn't the end of it.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::

https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/h-21641.pdf

Google translation:

Acts 2
2008-2009 Annual Meeting House of the States General
92nd meeting 92 June 9, 2009


Page 2

Directors Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
Modified Brinkman-motion study on a Dutch Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31 568, 44, was No. 40) (rejected) 7244/7245
Brinkman-motion study on the state of the board of
Curac ¸ ao and Sint Maarten (31 568, No 41) (rejected) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion on the collection of taxes to the Dutch
Antilles (31 568, No 42) (adopted) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion as soon as possible to carry out
the planned investment and projects (31 568, No 43) (adopted)
7244, 7245

Pages 20-21
snip

At issue are the votes on motions, submitted to the debate on the state of governance
the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, namely:
- The motion-Brinkman on an investigation Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31568, No 40);
- The motion-Brinkman investigations of the state of
the board of Curaçao and Sint Maarten (31568, No 41);
- The motion-Leerdam cs on the collection of taxes
the Netherlands Antilles (31568, 42);
- Leerdam-cs on the motion as soon as possible to do
place of the planned investments and projects
(31568, No. 43).
(See meeting of June 3, 2009.)
The Chairman: The motion-Brinkman (31568, No. 40) is
been amended so it now reads:
Motion
The Court,
heard the discussion,
noting that the Chief Public Prosecutor of Aruba
will be replaced;
noting that there are many questions about the
judicial and police examination during the first
ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway;

whereas the greatest importance
clear what mistakes have been made in that
crucial first ten days of the investigation;
asks the government, the government of Aruba to
insist on an Aruban request to Netherlands
Rijksrecherche order a Dutch study
Starting at the quality and the decision points during
the first ten days of the judicial and police
investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway,
and proceeded to the order of the day.
To me it appears, is submitting this revised
motion sufficiently supported.
It gets No 44 (31568).
I note that we can vote on this, but I
give first opportunity to make a
explanation beforehand.
©
Mr. Brinkman (PVV): Chairman. Through the motion on
No piece 42, the Dutch Government requested
together with the Government of the Netherlands Antilles
Search for additional measures to increase tax collection
improve. The PVV is convinced that the
fair tax collection on many islands that corrupt
inadequate. However, this comes down to do together
more officers to the islands and thus more money
to that bottomless pit. Hence the PVV against the
that motion.
In voting, the amended motion-Brinkman (31568,
No. 44).
©
The Chairman: I note that the present members of
the fraction of the PVV motion for this change
have voted against that of other groups,
so it is rejected.

snip


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 01:22:02 AM
May have already been posted:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Avou4r1twGQ&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca&border=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 01:45:35 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:23:03 AM
Page 2

Directors Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
Modified Brinkman-motion study on a Dutch Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31 568, 44, was No. 40) (rejected) 7244/7245
Brinkman-motion study on the state of the board of
Curac ¸ ao and Sint Maarten (31 568, No 41) (rejected) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion on the collection of taxes to the Dutch
Antilles (31 568, No 42) (adopted) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion as soon as possible to carry out
the planned investment and projects (31 568, No 43) (adopted)
7244, 7245


I give Brinkman Kudos for at least making those bastards have to continue to see and hear Natalee Holloway's name again,and again,and again...From Aruba to The Netherlands.........

KARMA'S A BITCH..DONTCHA YA KNOW...IT'S COMIN!KEEP RUNNIN SWEATY MAN...  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. SWEATY MAN..YA CAN'T RUN FROM KARMA..IT'S GONNA GETCHA.I BET YOU WISH YOU KNEW WHEN..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 02:27:42 AM
This text is from a prior parliamentary paper, and is the discussion that prompted Brinkman to amend his motion:

https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/h-21589.pdf

Google translation:

snip

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten: President. It is an extensive public consultation with the State Court on various topics. That is today weather. I, the motions for a long walk.
The Natalee Holloway case from the first point of the Mr. Brinkman, Mr Brinkman, and me all
repeatedly discussed. I am pleased that Mr Brinkman realize that we seriously have used that
state of governance and law enforcement in Aruba.  These are not just about corruption. Mr. Brinkman pretend it is only corruption, but it concerns the functioning of the institutions and law enforcement bodies for the Caribbean Aruba and needed. We therefore look wider and OM and police watching from the whole. Corruption is a part of the investigation on Aruba. I am pleased that Mr. Brinkman that we see in broad sense up.  Then the Holloway case. We have a number times discussed. It is for Mr Brinkman no surprise that I unravel this motion. At this Currently there is an investigation of the land search Aruba on the Holloway case. The Dutch Rijksrecherche is not competent to do research on Aruba, because it is an autonomous country within the Kingdom.

Mr. Brinkman (PVV): If the government of Aruba a request is for a State Investigation study, it is possible?

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten: I do not expect that such a request comes, but that is not in the motion. The motion being asked to skip a Rijksrecherche inquiry, but that's impossible.
I have therefore advised against the motion.

Mr. Brinkman (PVV): Let me amend my motion. I call it the Secretary to hold consultations
engage with the Government of Aruba for her to move the Dutch government to request an investigation Rijksrecherche to start.

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten: I hold that amended motion is off, but I have my opinion about motion already submitted data.

Mr. Brinkman (PVV): When I motion that way change, what is your opinion about it?

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten: There is now a State crime investigations.

Mr. Brinkman (PVV): That is so like the butcher approves his own flesh. I know the State
very well.

State Secretary Bijleveld-Schouten: I know. This is always difficult. Yet it remains the responsibility of Aruba. I speak frequently with the Government of Aruba. I can talk again introduced, but the is no guarantee of success.

snip


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:29:05 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/play2.jpg)
Thank you so much for the daily pictures of Natalee Texasmom.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Note to perps/aruba/cover up crew/american traitors/persistence...
We will NEVER FORGET what you have done.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE is the ONLY path to redemption....
You will all have to take up your case with your maker when your time comes....
Tick Tock.... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


What a wonderful picture..Although i don't agree with some of Dave's relationships,or the angles he's taking.I'll never dispute the fact that from my lips to God's ears,his precious daughter was,is,and always will be proud of her father!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 02:33:33 AM


Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:36:55 AM


Hi KTF!   ::MonkeySkate::

Good Evening! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 02:46:46 AM
Page 2

Directors Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
Modified Brinkman-motion study on a Dutch Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31 568, 44, was No. 40) (rejected) 7244/7245
Brinkman-motion study on the state of the board of
Curac ¸ ao and Sint Maarten (31 568, No 41) (rejected) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion on the collection of taxes to the Dutch
Antilles (31 568, No 42) (adopted) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion as soon as possible to carry out
the planned investment and projects (31 568, No 43) (adopted)
7244, 7245


I give Brinkman Kudos for at least making those bastards have to continue to see and hear Natalee Holloway's name again,and again,and again...From Aruba to The Netherlands.........

KARMA'S A BITCH..DONTCHA YA KNOW...IT'S COMIN!KEEP RUNNIN SWEATY MAN...  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. SWEATY MAN..YA CAN'T RUN FROM KARMA..IT'S GONNA GETCHA.I BET YOU WISH YOU KNEW WHEN..... ::MonkeyCool::

I agree KTF.  I haven't looked at them all, but when I searched for Natalee Holloway in the Parliamentary papers...from October of 2005 to June of 2009 there were 18 papers where her name was found.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:49:54 AM
Page 2

Directors Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
Modified Brinkman-motion study on a Dutch Rijksrecherche
to the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway (31 568, 44, was No. 40) (rejected) 7244/7245
Brinkman-motion study on the state of the board of
Curac ¸ ao and Sint Maarten (31 568, No 41) (rejected) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion on the collection of taxes to the Dutch
Antilles (31 568, No 42) (adopted) 7244, 7245
Leerdam cs-motion as soon as possible to carry out
the planned investment and projects (31 568, No 43) (adopted)
7244, 7245


I give Brinkman Kudos for at least making those bastards have to continue to see and hear Natalee Holloway's name again,and again,and again...From Aruba to The Netherlands.........

KARMA'S A BITCH..DONTCHA YA KNOW...IT'S COMIN!KEEP RUNNIN SWEATY MAN...  ::MonkeyCool::

P.S. SWEATY MAN..YA CAN'T RUN FROM KARMA..IT'S GONNA GETCHA.I BET YOU WISH YOU KNEW WHEN..... ::MonkeyCool::

I agree KTF.  I haven't looked at them all, but when I searched for Natalee Holloway in the Parliamentary papers...from October of 2005 to June of 2009 there were 18 papers where her name was found.

 ::MonkeyCool::


At least he's weaving her name into the very fabric of Dutch law,as well as politics!One would think anytime someone needs to reference anything that was discussed in,and around the Holloway discussions,Natalee's name will  ::MonkeyJnBox:: .... ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:56:17 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & THE NIGHT CREW

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 02:56:44 AM
This is another interesting document:

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/9/37031820.pdf

THE NETHERLANDS: PHASE 2
REPORT ON THE APPLICATION OF THE CONVENTION ON
COMBATING BRIBERY OF FOREIGN PUBLIC OFFICIALS IN
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS
AND THE 1997 RECOMMENDATION ON COMBATING
BRIBERY IN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS

Even though it's an older document, there's a lot of interesting information.

Such as...

Page 36

(iii) The Rijksrecherche

122. The Police Act of 1993, in its article 3, recognises the National Police Internal Investigation
Department (Rijksrecherche) as “special police officers”. As indicated in the Rijksrecherche Directive on Tasks and Deployment of 8 January 2002,44 the Rijksrecherche focuses on “the detection of punishable crimes committed by (semi-) government officials. Rijksrecherche officials interviewed indicated that half the work of the Rijksrecherche concerns investigations of the Police (police shootings, jail deaths, etc.), while the other half concerns offences involving public servants. Out of approximately 130 cases investigated by the Rijksrecherche each year, an average of 30 involves domestic bribery offences. As previously indicated, there have not been any completed foreign bribery cases to date, in the context of the Convention.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 02:58:24 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & THE NIGHT CREW

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:59:58 AM
This is another interesting document:

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/9/37031820.pdf

THE NETHERLANDS: PHASE 2
REPORT ON THE APPLICATION OF THE CONVENTION ON
COMBATING BRIBERY OF FOREIGN PUBLIC OFFICIALS IN
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS
AND THE 1997 RECOMMENDATION ON COMBATING
BRIBERY IN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS

Even though it's an older document, there's a lot of interesting information.

Such as...

Page 36

(iii) The Rijksrecherche

122. The Police Act of 1993, in its article 3, recognises the National Police Internal Investigation
Department (Rijksrecherche) as “special police officers”. As indicated in the Rijksrecherche Directive on Tasks and Deployment of 8 January 2002,44 the Rijksrecherche focuses on “the detection of punishable crimes committed by (semi-) government officials. Rijksrecherche officials interviewed indicated that half the work of the Rijksrecherche concerns investigations of the Police (police shootings, jail deaths, etc.), while the other half concerns offences involving public servants. Out of approximately 130 cases investigated by the Rijksrecherche each year, an average of 30 involves domestic bribery offences. As previously indicated, there have not been any completed foreign bribery cases to date, in the context of the Convention.


Aruba washes too much money for the politicians of the motherland!Bottom line.No touchy Aruba..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 03:01:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



NATALEE,

We were here today,and we'll be back again tomorrow.The quest for justice continues.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 03:03:11 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & THE NIGHT CREW

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::
OK,OK...I'm going too bed TM wins every night... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyLaugh::
Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 03:04:16 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & THE NIGHT CREW

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::
Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::

OK,OK...I'm going too bed TM wins every night... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

There's a reason i need to go to bed! ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 03:06:44 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS TM & THE NIGHT CREW

KEEPTHEFAITH


::MonkeyBike::
Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::

OK,OK...I'm going too bed TM wins every night... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

There's a reason i need to go to bed! ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 03:10:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



NATALEE,

We were here today,and we'll be back again tomorrow.The quest for justice continues.....

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/new-monkey-angel2.gif)   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 25, 2009, 07:50:41 AM
Last night's taped Wheel of Fortune winner won a trip to Aruba at the Renaissance reportedly valued over $6K.   This morning I found this:

'Double Your Paradise' in Aruba and Curacao With a Free Renaissance Honeymoon
Book a Wedding at the Renaissance Resorts in Aruba or Curacao and Receive a Free Five Night Honeymoon at Either Resort
Press Release
Source: Renaissance Hotels & Resorts
On Thursday September 24, 2009, 11:29 am EDT
 
-snipped-

 Guests must book 75 consecutive revenue-generating nights by December 31, 2009 and travel for the ceremony by December 31, 2010. Blackout dates apply to the free honeymoon, which may be taken any time during the travel window - up to one year after the wedding.

 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Double-Your-Paradise-in-Aruba-prnews-3202063388.html?x=0&.v=1


 ::MonkeyRoll::

Just thought I'd share before heading out for the day.   Have a good one....will see you later.

 ::MonkeyBike::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 08:37:24 AM
I've been boycotting Wheel of Fortune for quite a while now for that very reason.  Last night I wasn't paying attention after the local news and didn't change the channel...didn't really notice a thing until the announcement of the trip! uggghhh

 ::MonkeyMad::

Just a reminder...It's Election Day in Aruba, will the people vote for change?

TGIF!    ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 10:57:01 AM
http://www.bermudasun.bm/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=270&ArticleID=42911

9/25/2009 11:40:00 AM   
Crime victims' families urged to form support group
Family and friends of ­violent crime victims should lean on each other to make it through the tough times.

This is the view of staff at the Physical Abuse ­Centre, who want to form a ­support group to help ease the pain of ­Bermuda's ­escalating crime rate.

They hope a message of empowerment and hope from a missing girl's ­mother, Beth ­Holloway, will "spur people into ­action".

Ms Holloway, whose daughter Natalee ­disappeared in 2005 during a high school trip to Aruba, will visit Bermuda to kick off ­Domestic Violence Awareness Month in ­October.


The Physical Abuse Centre, which celebrates its 30th anniversary this year, always sees an ­increase in calls for help ­after a serious crime has taken place.

They receive pleas from the family and friends of victims of shootings and ­stabbings who want to know who they can talk to about their experiences.

Director Laurie Shiell ­revealed they "wanted to get it all off their chest" but felt like there was no one who would understand.

She added: "We hope Beth's talk will be a catalyst for a new and much needed support group.

"Family and friends of ­violent crime victims have been involved in a crisis ­situation but they don't have anyone to turn to.

"Those with cancer have ­support groups, those who have been abused have ­support groups but this is a group of the community not being listened to.

"They can ­support each other through the tough times and work things through.

"This new ­support group would help people to see their way through the forest into the light." ­

Families affected by ­violent crime always have a police ­liaison officer ­assigned to them but Ms Shiell fears this is not ­always enough.

She claims people affected by violent crimes reach out to find out "who the best person to speak to is".

Ms Shiell said: "People call us because they know we offer a counselling service. We try to work with them and find out their needs. But little do they know they could be helping each other.

"They can seek support from each other, be there for each other.

"They know exactly what each other is going through."

Ms Shiell revealed The Physical Abuse Centre would be ­happy to oversee the group, offering help and advice when needed.

She hopes it will eventually ­visit schools to warn children of the dangers of gang violence.

Ms Shiell said: "You occasionally get an individual who has been affected by a violent crime speaking out but many voices are much better than a lone voice.

"All these voices need to come together."

Bermuda Police Service spokesman Dwayne Caines ­insisted that the force will happily ­support any ­organisation that "will bring comfort and help to ­individuals ­affected by ­serious crimes".

He added that the police had ­fully backed the ­formation of the group ROLO - Remembering Our Loved Ones - which was set up to support the families of road death victims.

Mr. Caines said: ­"Forging ­partnerships with relevant ­community ­agencies is something that we believe, if done ­correctly with the appropriate ­support, can have a huge benefit to the police and Bermuda ­overall."
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on September 25, 2009, 11:19:36 AM
Thanks Klaas.

Beth continues with her good work. ::MonkeyAngel::  Way to go Beth!
Bermuda is  encouraging a support group to local victims of crime and
hopefully Bermuda will give pause to how their LE  treat their tourists and families who have been victims of crime. 
There have been young female tourists murdered on the island.

God bless Natalee and bring her home.








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 25, 2009, 12:47:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62830.php


Search carried out at Chamber of Commerce

22 Sep, 2009, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)

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KRALENDIJK — The international investigation into laundering practices, gold smuggling and drug trade continued yesterday with a search carried out at the Chamber of Commerce (KvK). Members of the RST (Criminal Investigating Cooperation Team of the Antilles, Aruba, and the Netherlands) carried out the search in the presence of the public prosecutor and the examining magistrate, and confiscated documents of companies registered with the Chamber of Commerce.

The names of the companies were not disclosed. The Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles was not available for comment this morning. Since September 8th, a dozen of more house searches were carried out on Bonaire in residences, companies, and government institutes. The investigation on the island is mainly focused on real estate (project) investments with drug monies. Meanwhile, six suspects have been apprehended on Aruba and in the Antilles in connection with this investigation.

Now this could become very interesting....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 25, 2009, 12:54:54 PM
I've been boycotting Wheel of Fortune for quite a while now for that very reason.  Last night I wasn't paying attention after the local news and didn't change the channel...didn't really notice a thing until the announcement of the trip! uggghhh

 ::MonkeyMad::

Just a reminder...It's Election Day in Aruba, will the people vote for change?

TGIF!    ::MonkeyBike::


Here's hoping!!!

Certainly the citizens of Aruba are not blind to the corruption their current governing party is embroiled in.

I just hope they have the gumption to stand up for themselves and say NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 25, 2009, 12:55:36 PM
TxMom - thank you for the updates on Brinkman.

I also hope that is not the end of it...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Thank you Klaas.

Beth Holloway is an amazing woman.  It was not long after the disappearance of her precious daughter that Beth embarked on an ongoing mission of love ... a mission of the heart ... that extended beyond her pain ... her loss.

Beth Holloway's words and actions in her journey from the depths of H--- has been nothing short of inspirational for me and have afforded me strength in so many areas of my own life when discouragement may have prevailed.

Janet

++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
... In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 25, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
Wonder who has copy and paste duty.............. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62975.php

Google translation:

Early elections on Aruba flawless

September 25, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

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A candidate to flyeraar Otmar Oduber Imelda at the entrance to Kindergarten.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba vote today for a new parliament after one months long, hard campaign in which no effort was spared. Since early there are long queues for most polling stations.

According Under Sharlin, director of the population and member of the Electoral Council had so far a number of organizational failures in at least one polling station, that of Playa Pabou, so it could be opened later. "There are other services stabbing drop."

The Public Works Department (DOW) could not put her there have been material. There are no disturbances to mention, says Under. "However, complaints received about people who wanted to identify with one copy, while everyone now knows that it should not."

There are also complaints about the so-called "checkers" of the political parties. These are representatives who are on behalf of a private party tonight to keep the official census count to check. Also check whether they are ones she during home visits from the candidates had promised that they would vote, this will actually do. The Amigoe found that checkers also check which party they think that these voters have voted. The population here has been no clear agreement on the parties' The checkers are there as an audience. It is up to the parties what they are doing. "According to reports, moreover, that after the elections committee is created rules and procedures are reviewed. "Things that have long crooked sit," says Under.

Press
Because this year taking pictures is prohibited in polling (voting booths at the expense of the government adjusted for taking pictures of completed ballots to counter) is also taking pictures by the press of such party leaders and voting strictly prohibited. According to reports last night would only be decided by the electoral council without the press know their wishes. Yet across that line is not monitored, as shown in above picture Refunjol governor, who makes his ballot in the bus. According Sharlin is firm on the ban. "It is absolutely forbidden to take pictures inside the polling station. The press can take pictures outside. "

Disrespectful
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber was around half past ten to EPB Hato, along with his family and supporters. There were people on quads, jeeps and on foot behind the prime minister came to him with his voice time to do. "We will win," he exclaimed. "Today there is an end to all corruption and disrespectful messages are published on the Prime Minister." This last he focused particularly on the special section that ASF newspaper Diario yesterday about him and his cabinet have been published.


Lak of rules
It s ten hours' morning in Savaneta. Ady leader Thijsen (MEP) and Donny Rasmijn (ASF) stand at the entrance of Prome Paso Kindergarten. "This is the last time for people to speak and doubters to get over the bridge." Thijsen Rasmijn and have little concern for one another.

Together they point the way an elderly voter to the polls of the Sacred Heart College on the other side. States is also President Mervin Ras Savaneta arrived here in order to show itself. Self agreed later in the afternoon. By Imelda kindergarten in Orange City shares flyers from a woman candidate for ASF Otmar Oduber. She says that the organization of Otmar Oduber's campaign is said to be outside the polling area should stand. She stands on the threshold, well less than 50 meter from the rules that require polling. "I did not. The people at the polling stations have not told me. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 06:05:33 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/aruba-holding-parliamentary-election


Aruba holding parliamentary election

Published on 25 September 2009 - 6:13pm

Filed under: Aruba AVP economic crisis MEP Prime Minister Nelson oduber the Netherlands

Parliamentary elections are being held on Aruba. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said he was confident that his centre-left party MEP, which has been in power for the past eight years, will again be able to form a majority government.
 
The party's main challenger is the Christian-Democrat AVP. The island's 65,000 registered voters have a choice of eight parties to vote for. One of the main election issues are the relations of the autonomous region with the Netherlands. Aruba's parliament recently voted against a new law on the freedom of movement of people, which was deemed to turn the island's resident into second-rate citizens within the Kingdom. The economic crisis is another topic in the ballot, as it it threatening the retirement age of 60.

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/favolist-3/images/lead/250909%20Oduber_0.jpg)
 
Foto: Nelson Oduber with Jan Peter Balkenende (ANP)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 06:15:49 PM
http://www.diario.aw/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/car.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 25, 2009, 09:43:25 PM
I wonder how long it will take them to tally the votes? I can't remember how long it took them last time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 10:04:13 PM
I wonder how long it will take them to tally the votes? I can't remember how long it took them last time.

I'm not sure, but it seems to be taking a long time. 

24ora has had live feed of them reading off results of each "precinct" (our term, not sure what theirs is, lol).  If the country map is any indication...it's going to be a while. 

I'm watching Diario's site for an update too...so far nothing yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 25, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
Hi TM....I knew You would be on top of the election results.....Thank You for All You Do!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 10:23:57 PM
Hi TM....I knew You would be on top of the election results.....Thank You for All You Do!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Hotping!   ::MonkeySlide:: 

I'm trying...but I don't know how much longer I can stand to watch the live coverage.  There are stupid commercials every few minutes now, lol. 

Hey you can get a free lobster with a $100 jewelry purchase!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Also, the lady commentator has on black finger nail polish!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyTongue::
 

::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee! 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 25, 2009, 10:51:46 PM
Hi TM....I knew You would be on top of the election results.....Thank You for All You Do!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Hotping!   ::MonkeySlide:: 

I'm trying...but I don't know how much longer I can stand to watch the live coverage.  There are stupid commercials every few minutes now, lol. 

Hey you can get a free lobster with a $100 jewelry purchase!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Also, the lady commentator has on black finger nail polish!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyTongue::
 

::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee! 




Sorry it took so long for Me to respond....I've digging and forgot to check back in....Like I said Thanks for All You do including tolerating that Stupid Sh*t!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 10:58:53 PM
Hi TM....I knew You would be on top of the election results.....Thank You for All You Do!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Hotping!   ::MonkeySlide:: 

I'm trying...but I don't know how much longer I can stand to watch the live coverage.  There are stupid commercials every few minutes now, lol. 

Hey you can get a free lobster with a $100 jewelry purchase!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Also, the lady commentator has on black finger nail polish!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyTongue::
 

::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee! 




Sorry it took so long for Me to respond....I've digging and forgot to check back in....Like I said Thanks for All You do including tolerating that Stupid Sh*t!  ::MonkeyDevil::

::MonkeyHaHa::  You're welcome!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 25, 2009, 11:13:26 PM
Remember..this is still early but according to Diario the AVP has the majority at this point!

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

avp bayendo for one victoria in eleccion

publication: diabierna, 25 september 2009.

categoria: general updated 10:50

therefore.m. aruba time oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. avp is ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, after of 17 urna electoral. still much can change, but till cu now, according the pronostico, avp have 11 asiento, mep have 8 asiento, democracia regal have 1, mpa have 1. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp. after of 13 urna, avp have 5.713 voice, mep have 4.344, democracia regal cu 700, mpa cu 571, y red cu 492. the others all have less of 127 voice. more update immidiately aki….


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 12:24:02 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

Papiamentu translation:

people owing to send nel & gang for cas (home)!!!!

publication: diabierna, 25 september 2009.

categoria: general updated 12:15 owing to.m. aruba time

oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. nel y his tonelada of corupcion, y the debilidad of his candidatonan in area of north y paradera, owing to place cu mep owing to cay y trompeca on his nose. aruba is immidiately 40% yellow. nothing more. avp is ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, y yegando 40 urna electoral. still much can change, but till cu now, according the pronostico, avp have 12 asiento, mep have 8 asiento, democracia regal have 1. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp. already end some candidato of mep is show cu they're ”cla for bay oposicion”. but the result of voice owing to demostra claramente cu mep is one faction cu owing to bay ”out or touch” cu people, y have to reorganiza his self. avp will bay in gobierno, cu candidatonan completamente new in gobernacion. none of esnan on list of avp owing to arrive of form part of gobierno in pasado, then is caranan new. more update immidiately aki….


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 12:28:11 AM


Hi rjdeer!  :smt039






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 12:44:01 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

people owing to send nel & gang for cas!!!! avp is earn!

publication: diabierna, 25 september 2009. categoria: general updated 12:37 owing to.m. aruba time

oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. nel y his tonelada of corupcion, y the debilidad of his candidatonan in area of north y paradera, owing to place cu mep owing to cay y trompeca on his nose. aruba is immidiately 40% yellow. nothing more. avp is ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, y yegando 40 urna electoral, according the pronostico, avp have 11 asiento, mep have 9 asiento, democracia regal have 1. tanto mpa of monica kock, y red of rudy lampe, will stay without asiento, y will have of bandona parliament. people owing to rechaza they form of take away oposicion. trip happen mpa casi owing to arrive at 2 asiento, but now is cay till at zero. celebracion owing to cuminza at once! have one euforia of celebracion at home of faction avp san nicolas, y also at beach. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp at paradera. several of esnan of mep cu had amplifier poni all day abroad of cas, owing to core keep they, y pay luz. already end some candidato of mep is show cu they're ”cla for bay oposicion”. but the result of voice owing to demostra claramente cu mep is one faction cu owing to bay ”out or touch” cu people, y have to reorganiza his self. avp will bay in gobierno, cu candidatonan completamente new in gobernacion. none of esnan on list of avp owing to arrive of form part of gobierno in pasado, then is caranan new. people now if owing to send one message cla y raspa for her arogancia of benny nisbet, esta cu the not merece more of is on one list. ppa can owing to haci algo, kizas if past owing to let another person become leader. the pronostico is cu they will saca neither 600 voice. faction msi y curpa is worde pronostica of will not neither saca 140 voice cada uno. after of 44 urna mep have 14.865, avp have 19.338, dr have 2.317, y mpa have 1.798 voice. more update immidiately aki….


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 12:58:24 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

avp owing to gana…. people owing to send nel & gang for cas!!!!

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/avpmasanan1-150x150.jpg)

publication: saturday, 26 september 2009.

categoria: general updated 12:50 owing to.m. aruba time

oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. nel y his tonelada of corupcion, y the debilidad of his candidatonan in area of north y paradera, owing to place cu mep owing to cay y trompeca on his nose. mike eman is become the proximo ministro presidente…. one victoria aplastante…. nel owing to finaliza his carera politico cu one defeat ugly, vies, but for his same aberration. aruba is immidiately 40% yellow. nothing more. avp is ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, y yegando 45 urna electoral, according the pronostico, avp have 12 asiento, mep have 8 asiento, democracia regal have 1. tanto mpa of monica kock, y red of rudy lampe, will stay without asiento, y will have of bandona parliament. people owing to rechaza they form of take away oposicion. trip happen mpa casi owing to arrive at 2 asiento, but now is cay till at zero. celebracion owing to cuminza at once! have one euforia of celebracion at home of faction avp san nicolas, y also at beach. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp at paradera. several of esnan of mep cu had amplifier poni all day abroad of cas, owing to core keep they, y pay luz. already end some candidato of mep is show cu they're ”cla for bay oposicion”. but the result of voice owing to demostra claramente cu mep is one faction cu owing to bay ”out or touch” cu people, y have to reorganiza his self. avp will bay in gobierno, cu candidatonan completamente new in gobernacion. none of esnan on list of avp owing to arrive of form part of gobierno in pasado, then is caranan new. people now if owing to send one message cla y raspa for her arogancia of benny nisbet, esta cu the not merece more of is on one list. ppa can owing to haci algo, kizas if past owing to let another person become leader. the pronostico is cu they will saca neither 600 voice. faction msi y curpa is worde pronostica of will not neither saca 140 voice cada uno. after of 44 urna mep have 14.865, avp have 19.338, dr have 2.317, y mpa have 1.798 voice. more update immidiately aki….


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 01:09:09 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/


AVP A GANA…. Pueblo a manda Nel & Gang pa cas!!!!

Publication: Diasabra, 26 September 2009. Categoria: General

Updated 12:54 a.m. Aruba time

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mike_temp_-150x150.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. nel y his tonelada of corupcion, y the debilidad of his candidatonan in area of north y paradera, owing to place cu mep owing to cay y trompeca on his nose. mike eman is become the proximo ministro presidente…. one victoria aplastante…. nel owing to finaliza his carera politico cu one defeat ugly, vies, but for his same aberration.

aruba is immidiately 40% yellow. nothing more.

avp owing to ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, y yegando 45 urna electoral, according the result preliminar, avp have 12 asiento, mep have 8 asiento, democracia regal have 1. the cambio anhela is come, y is seems cu avp only will bay form gobierno. not have to of democracia regal. fuera of esey, mep together cu democracia regal tampcoo not can form coalicion.

tanto mpa of monica kock, y red of rudy lampe, will stay without asiento, y will have of bandona parliament. people owing to rechaza they form of take away oposicion. trip happen mpa casi owing to arrive at 2 asiento, but now is cay till at zero.

celebracion owing to cuminza at once! have one euforia of celebracion at home of faction avp san nicolas, y also at beach. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp at paradera.

several of esnan of mep cu had amplifier poni all day abroad of cas, owing to core keep they, y pay luz.

already end some candidato of mep is show cu they're ”cla for bay oposicion”. but the result of voice owing to demostra claramente cu mep is one faction cu owing to bay ”out or touch” cu people, y have to reorganiza his self.

avp will bay in gobierno, cu candidatonan completamente new in gobernacion. none of esnan on list of avp owing to arrive of form part of gobierno in pasado, then is caranan new.

people now if owing to send one message cla y raspa for her arogancia of benny nisbet, esta cu the not merece more of is on one list. ppa can owing to haci algo, kizas if past owing to let another person become leader. the pronostico is cu they will saca neither 600 voice.

faction msi y curpa is worde pronostica of will not neither saca 140 voice cada uno.

after of 44 urna mep have 14.865, avp have 19.338, dr have 2.317, y mpa have 1.798 voice. more update immidiately aki….


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 26, 2009, 01:49:10 AM
Nite Monkeys & have a great weekend.     ::MonkeyGavel::    ::MonkeyDogWalk::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 01:58:16 AM
Nite Monkeys & have a great weekend.     ::MonkeyGavel::    ::MonkeyDogWalk::

Nite cajun miracle!  Have a great weekend!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:03:20 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/12/18/


On live coverage many people are out in the streets of Aruba celebrating...just sent off a barrage of firecrackers.

Mike Eman is speaking now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:04:16 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/12/18/


On live coverage many people are out in the streets of Aruba celebrating...just sent off a barrage of firecrackers.

Mike Eman is speaking now.

Sorry...no translation available.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 26, 2009, 02:12:18 AM
TM....So is this a good thing in Aruba with the elections? Sorry but I don't really keep up with there politics.....  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 26, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
TM....So is this a good thing in Aruba with the elections? Sorry but I don't really keep up with there politics.....  ::MonkeyConfused::
Correction there s/b their...I think I have digging fever...lol  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:31:07 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/12/18/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/AVPCelebration_09262009.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:35:28 AM
TM....So is this a good thing in Aruba with the elections? Sorry but I don't really keep up with there politics.....  ::MonkeyConfused::
Correction there s/b their...I think I have digging fever...lol  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm not really into the politics either hotping.  But just from my observations, a change is good.  Only time will tell I guess.  My prayer is that something good will come for Natalee and her family with the new regime in Aruba.  I've had about all of Nel and his crap that I can stomach.  Since this group wasn't in power, hopefully they will be more open to a proper investigation of those who WERE.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 26, 2009, 02:52:19 AM
TM....So is this a good thing in Aruba with the elections? Sorry but I don't really keep up with there politics.....  ::MonkeyConfused::
Correction there s/b their...I think I have digging fever...lol  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm not really into the politics either hotping.  But just from my observations, a change is good.  Only time will tell I guess.  My prayer is that something good will come for Natalee and her family with the new regime in Aruba.  I've had about all of Nel and his crap that I can stomach.  Since this group wasn't in power, hopefully they will be more open to a proper investigation of those who WERE.
JMO
I sure hope You are right...... Good Night TM! See ya tomorrow!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:53:30 AM
TM....So is this a good thing in Aruba with the elections? Sorry but I don't really keep up with there politics.....  ::MonkeyConfused::
Correction there s/b their...I think I have digging fever...lol  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm not really into the politics either hotping.  But just from my observations, a change is good.  Only time will tell I guess.  My prayer is that something good will come for Natalee and her family with the new regime in Aruba.  I've had about all of Nel and his crap that I can stomach.  Since this group wasn't in power, hopefully they will be more open to a proper investigation of those who WERE.
JMO
I sure hope You are right...... Good Night TM! See ya tomorrow!

Good night hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 03:13:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 26, 2009, 07:13:19 AM

Mike Eman will be Aruba's next Prime Minister


AVP (Aruba Peoples Party), color green, won the election with 12 seats out of 21 seats, and Aruba will be governed for the third consecutive time by only one party. It is the first time that AVP has one 12 seats. Aruba has now shifted from center left government to a center right government. The big victory parade will be held on Sunday. The present government MEP party, color yellow, got 8 seats (a lost of 3 seats), and will be in the opposition for the next 4 years. Real Democrasy Party won 1 seat.

Some of the points of the AVP party for the next 4 years

To abolish turnover tax.
To fight crime by increasing police force, giving them more tools to execute their work properly and maintain order, introducing tough laws.
To invest in the island's infrastructure, constructing Aruba's first bike and jogging path from Oranjestad to the resort area, completion of Oranjestad bypass, construction of the 4 lane highway from Oranjestad to San Nicolas.
To find a new operator for the refinery.
To construct a commuter airport east of San Nicolas for small aircrafts only.
Enforce a moratorium for hotel construction mainly for the areas in west Aruba.
To upgrade donwtown Oranjestad, renovation mainstreet, restauration of monumental buildings, and increase the vibrancy back of the city.
Construction parking garages near downtown areas, introduce parking meters in city center.
To create special incentives for business investment in San Nicolas.
To upgrade and develop downtown San Nicolas as a Caribbean city.
To make Beatrix International Airport a regional passenger and cargo hub.
To open new tourism generating markets in the United States and Canada, direct flight from west coasts.
To open new Latin American and European generating markets to decrease Aruba's dependency on the U.S..
Lots of attention will put on the social aspects of society, increase purchasing power, affordable basic needs, good government pension, increase quality of health care, and affordable healthcare.
Lots of money will be spent on education, upgrading and constructing new schools, with good education materials.
Upgrading and construction sport facilities, introducing programs to have Arubans live a healthy life style, the AVP will be dedicated to fight obesity on the island, starting with children. All schools will be obliged to offer healthy foods.
To elevate the quality of the tourism product Aruba and attract tourists that are willing to spend more.
To make sure that Aruba is one clean country again, enforce tough fines for those who litter.
To preserve the environment by dedicating new areas as non construction areas.
To reduce substantially the demand for oil as a source of energy, gradually increasing the use of clean energy on the island.
To finalize the relocation process of the container harbor from Oranjestad.
To attract legacy carriers back to Aruba such as KLM.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74935&sid=22d6c70e23ef68890758c781f217c0f6


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 10:30:03 AM

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 10:32:08 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/opposition-avp-wins-landslide-aruba

Opposition AVP wins landslide in Aruba

Published on26 September 2009 - 10:39am
Filed under: Aruba AVP MEP parliamentary elections results


Aruba's Christian-Democrat AVP party has won a landslide victory in Friday's parliamentary elections, ousting the centre-left party MEP after eight years in power.
 
With more than 80 percent of the votes counted, the AVP looks set for 12 seats, four more than the MEP. This means that, like the MEP over the past eight years, the AVP will be able to form a majority government on its own.
 
Photo: facebook Mike Eman

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/favolist-3/images/lead/mike%20eman%20(faceebook)_0.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 26, 2009, 11:38:50 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

Papiamentu translation:

people owing to send nel & gang for cas (home)!!!!

publication: diabierna, 25 september 2009.

categoria: general updated 12:15 owing to.m. aruba time

oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. nel y his tonelada of corupcion, y the debilidad of his candidatonan in area of north y paradera, owing to place cu mep owing to cay y trompeca on his nose. aruba is immidiately 40% yellow. nothing more. avp is ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, y yegando 40 urna electoral. still much can change, but till cu now, according the pronostico, avp have 12 asiento, mep have 8 asiento, democracia regal have 1. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp. already end some candidato of mep is show cu they're ”cla for bay oposicion”. but the result of voice owing to demostra claramente cu mep is one faction cu owing to bay ”out or touch” cu people, y have to reorganiza his self. avp will bay in gobierno, cu candidatonan completamente new in gobernacion. none of esnan on list of avp owing to arrive of form part of gobierno in pasado, then is caranan new. more update immidiately aki….


Oduber is out----am I reading this correctly?  If so    ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

Papiamentu translation:

people owing to send nel & gang for cas (home)!!!!

publication: diabierna, 25 september 2009.

categoria: general updated 12:15 owing to.m. aruba time

oranjestad (aan): all cos is show cu aruba owing to rechaza maneho of mep grandemente. nel y his tonelada of corupcion, y the debilidad of his candidatonan in area of north y paradera, owing to place cu mep owing to cay y trompeca on his nose. aruba is immidiately 40% yellow. nothing more. avp is ganando eleccion 2009 at one form big, y yegando 40 urna electoral. still much can change, but till cu now, according the pronostico, avp have 12 asiento, mep have 8 asiento, democracia regal have 1. have indicacion cu cantidad of person is on caya at the casnan of faction avp. already end some candidato of mep is show cu they're ”cla for bay oposicion”. but the result of voice owing to demostra claramente cu mep is one faction cu owing to bay ”out or touch” cu people, y have to reorganiza his self. avp will bay in gobierno, cu candidatonan completamente new in gobernacion. none of esnan on list of avp owing to arrive of form part of gobierno in pasado, then is caranan new. more update immidiately aki….


Oduber is out----am I reading this correctly?  If so    ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Yes....Oduber's OUT!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 26, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
Now is the time for this new party to investigate what went on on their slimy island AND most importantly what happened to Natalee and why she has not been returned to her family and country.  Would go a long way in clearing their name some (nothing will clear it completely with me).  Hope this brings down several ex-pats living on their island.  They are as guilty as the ousted party IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 26, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
Good Morning TM and special thanks for the updates and articles. 

Still here for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 01:28:58 PM
Now is the time for this new party to investigate what went on on their slimy island AND most importantly what happened to Natalee and why she has not been returned to her family and country.  Would go a long way in clearing their name some (nothing will clear it completely with me).  Hope this brings down several ex-pats living on their island.  They are as guilty as the ousted party IMO.

I agree Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry for the slow response, we're having to buy a TV today so I've been comparing prices etc. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Good Morning TM and special thanks for the updates and articles. 

Still here for JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

You're welcome Blue Moon!

I hope I can find some good news for Natalee and her family somewhere SOON!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Of course if somebody else finds it and brings it, I'd love that too!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on September 26, 2009, 01:57:27 PM
Did Oduber lose his seat?  Not sure if it works that way in Aruba.

Texas Mom - you do an awful lot of work for Natalee in providing so much information to the forum. 
I appreciate it, although often, well most of the time - do not have a clear understanding of what I am reading.

Bless Natalee and her family! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 26, 2009, 02:03:11 PM
Thank you texasmom and Buckeye for the reports. I hope this means good news for Natalee.
I think Nels owns some property in Florida, maybe he will move to the states. I would not put it past him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1067390&lang=eng_news

Aruba's opposition party wins parliament elections

By MARGARET WEVER
Associated Press
2009-09-26 11:16 PM   
   
Arubans concerned by a struggling economy and unhappy with a local business tax voted to unseat Prime Minister Nelson Oduber after eight years in control of parliament.

The opposition People's Party won 48 percent of the vote in Friday's election and will control 12 of 21 legislative seats, according to results released Saturday by the Elections Council.

"I am convinced we will make Aruba a happy island again," People's Party leader Mike Eman said as thousands of people unfurled the party's green flag and set off firecrackers to celebrate.

Oduber's People's Electoral Movement, which has held power since 2001, won 36 percent of the vote and will hold 8 seats. The last spot went to the Democratic Party.

Eman's party won in part on promises to eliminate the 3 percent cumulative tax on local businesses and to lower inflation on the Dutch Caribbean island, a tourism-based economy that is dependent on imports and known for high prices.

Eman also pledged to address concerns about lagging tourism _ down 5 percent in the first half of the year _ as well as impending layoffs by Valero Energy Corp., which owns the island's refinery.

San Antonio-based Valero has said it will dismiss several hundred contract workers at the refinery, which has been closed since mid-July. It has not decided the fate of 780 permanent employees there.

The Elections Council said 85 percent of 64,600 voters participated in Friday's vote. It expects to certify results by Tuesday.

Aruba obtained full autonomy in its internal affairs when it separated from the Netherlands Antilles in 1986, but the Dutch government still oversees defense and other areas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:25:20 PM
Did Oduber lose his seat?  Not sure if it works that way in Aruba.

Texas Mom - you do an awful lot of work for Natalee in providing so much information to the forum. 
I appreciate it, although often, well most of the time - do not have a clear understanding of what I am reading.

Bless Natalee and her family! ::MonkeyAngel::

From my understanding Oduber when the vote is confirmed, Oduber will lose his seat.  The AVP party won 12 of the 21 seats, I think it's safe to assume that Nelson Oduber will not be elected with the opposition party controlling the majority of the seats.

JMO

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has semi-autonomy on most internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, final judicial review, and "Kingdom matters" including human rights and good governance. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the legislature, or Staten, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba's judicial system, mainly derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Kingdom-level Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.

I'm sure Red knows a lot more about all of this than I do, I'm looking forward to his thoughts on the election!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the compliment, can!  I do my best to bring news articles here that peak my interest and that I hope others will be interested in too.  Unfortunately because of the language barrier, I don't always have a full understanding of a lot of it either.  I'm very grateful to those who help that understanding by finding similar reports in English or Dutch that are more easily translated.


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
Did Oduber lose his seat?  Not sure if it works that way in Aruba.

Texas Mom - you do an awful lot of work for Natalee in providing so much information to the forum. 
I appreciate it, although often, well most of the time - do not have a clear understanding of what I am reading.

Bless Natalee and her family! ::MonkeyAngel::

From my understanding when the vote is confirmed, Oduber will lose his seat.  The AVP party won 12 of the 21 seats, I think it's safe to assume that Nelson Oduber will not be elected with the opposition party controlling the majority of the seats.

JMO

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has semi-autonomy on most internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, final judicial review, and "Kingdom matters" including human rights and good governance. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the legislature, or Staten, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba's judicial system, mainly derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Kingdom-level Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.

I'm sure Red knows a lot more about all of this than I do, I'm looking forward to his thoughts on the election!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the compliment, can!  I do my best to bring news articles here that peak my interest and that I hope others will be interested in too.  Unfortunately because of the language barrier, I don't always have a full understanding of a lot of it either.  I'm very grateful to those who help that understanding by finding similar reports in English or Dutch that are more easily translated.


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


self edit....had an extra "Oduber" in there!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 02:42:52 PM


Hi Boxerdawg!   :smt039

Have a great weekend!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 26, 2009, 03:22:42 PM
 ::MonkeyBike::

Hey TM,
I saw you over in the Haleigh thread.  I thought you were trying to round up
straying Natalee monkeys. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have gotten caught up in that case, but haven't forgotten Natalee over here.
Just not much happening with Natalee right now and it has been hoppin' over there.
I think that case is about to come to an end.

I am thrilled that Oduber lost the election. ::MonkeyDance::  I'll bet Beth is too.
At least Eman has a more pleasant face.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
::MonkeyBike::

Hey TM,
I saw you over in the Haleigh thread.  I thought you were trying to round up
straying Natalee monkeys. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have gotten caught up in that case, but haven't forgotten Natalee over here.
Just not much happening with Natalee right now and it has been hoppin' over there.
I think that case is about to come to an end.

I am thrilled that Oduber lost the election. ::MonkeyDance::  I'll bet Beth is too.
At least Eman has a more pleasant face.


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySlide::

I was actually just hopping around myself a little bit...seeing what's going on with Haleigh's case too.  I'm interested in it as well, I just usually check in there several times a day to see what's going on.  I know you would never forget about Natalee, and don't blame you one bit for being over there, so no I wasn't out with the Shelties rounding up Natalee's monkeys (but they'd be great if I ever needed to do some herding!)   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I know when things pick up with news in the case everyone will be here!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm working on a transcript (and doing a little housework) so I'm in and out myself...it's a long transcript so I'm working on it some and taking breaks...I have to rewind so much it gets on my nerves!



I hope you have a great weekend, it's beautiful here today! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 04:20:21 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_NelsonOduber_hollowaytruestory.jpg)

His expression in this picture has always pissed me off!   ::MonkeyMad::

Wonder how his day is going today?   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%205/03232009SDPp12.jpg) ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
9/26/2009 Bondia Front Page

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09262009_Bondia_FP_01a.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

avp is mark history politico cu 12 asiento!

saturday, 26 september 2009 oranjestad- algo after of half night already was conoci cu faction avp will owing to earn eleccion 2009 y cu the faction berde will have one majority in parliament cu 11 asiento assure.

sinembargo faltando result of one urna cu was of caiquetio school, cu was another urna under dominio of mep, another surprise owing to cai hour cu faction avp owing to ricibi one overall of 527 voice contra 229 voice of faction mep, cu owing to place cu owing to less one restzetel of faction mep, lagando the faction cu 8 asiento while cu the faction berde owing to stay cu 12 asiento.

the result without doubt some will was one surprise big for her leader of mep, that was assure cu the will owing to succeed 12 till even 13 asiento in the eleccion here.

sinembargo people owing to dicidi another y here not can stay without menciona words of the legendario difunto leader of faction mep, esta betico croes, that at 1984, at instant cu his faction owing to lose eleccion owing to bisa: “ora cu do you touch cu cartera of people, people is castigabo.”

this more bien was the history of the result of the maneho take away for gabinete oduber iv.

nelson oduber because; leader of faction mep, not owing to open door for all prensa yesterday evening y owing to limita at dirigi his self at people by the canal of television 22 y radio top fm.

none another prensa owing to being ricibi for her leader of faction mep y in his discurso at television, sir oduber owing to recorda the promesanan haci for leader of avp, mike eman, y owing to show cu for of yesterday evening they will cuminza work sticker of “cumpli now.”

mike eman, leader of avp owing to being ricibi in form hour cu past owing to arrive cas of faction algo after of 2’or of marduga, for uni his self at votadornan of the faction kendenan owing to come for of all district for celebra the victoria cu faction avp.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
9/26/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09262009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09262009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

Front Page:

people owing to talk
avp owing to mark history
as mike owing to primiti


Page 2

mep owing to lose in all distrito avp cu one victoria abrumador

after of owing to happen 8 year in oposicion, yesterday avp owing to succeed one victoria abrumador.

have to tell cu for of instant cu the first result owing to cuminsa enter, the do not end cu the faction berde will haci anything in the eleccion here.

cada trip cu the result of one urna is enter, the comentario was cu avp owing to lever. even in distrito of santa cruz, caminda cu mep is domina, can owing to notice cu the faction berde owing to bay fast. have caminda cu inclusivo cu mep owing to bay behind, despite cu they owing to stay the faction more big in santa cruz, paradera y at savaneta.

if analisa the list preliminar, can notice cu all caminda the faction berde owing to bay fast, cu excepcion of one urna. for cual the was the great ganador of the eleccion. can view cu even in the distrito of santa cruz the faction yellow owing to lose voice despite cu they owing to stay the faction more big in the distrito. mature is cu assure the leader of mep nelson oduber not owing to wait for the result here, because till at instant cu past owing to deposita his voice the had the confiansa of will bay cu 12 asiento. during day self had cierto doubt, y the comentario more listen was cu the result will was bay is much preta caminda cu more probabilidad was cu will bay have one coalicion. but at instant cu the first result owing to enter, already end was visible cu the faction berde will bay goberna his only, algo cu they not owing to experencia for much year.

till at end of edicion not was conoci if avp will owing to saca 11 or 12 asiento. but mature is cu they will bay goberna they only.

the pronostico till at siere of we edicion was cu democracia regal not owing to achieve the two asientonan cu owing to pronostica but will stay cu one asiento. thing was remarcabel was cu the two partidonan diminutive cu was in parliament, mpa y red owing to stay afo the trip here.

despite cu dirigentenan of avp was assure cu they will saca majority, the votadornan self had they doubt debi at the votadornan cu does not owing to divulga for that they will deposita they voice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 07:04:06 PM
9/26/2009 Diario Front Page

http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/fb.jpg

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09262009_Diario_FP_fb_1.jpg)

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/avp-bayendo-pa-un-victoria-aplastante/

avp cu 12-8 majority absolute

publication: saturday, 26 september 2009.

categoria: general

people owing to send nel y his gang cas

oranjestad(aan)— cu one majority absolute avp owing to send nel y his gang cas yesterday aruba owing to rec haza yesterday the maneho of mep grandemente y cu this the tonelada of corupcion y the debilidad if candidatonan of north y paradera.

mike eman is become the proximo first ministro of aruba cu one victoria aplastante y casi assure because; the votegetter more big of the eleccion here.. avp owing to termina cu 12 asiento incluso 2 restzetel lagando mep at 8 incluso 1 restzetel y democracia regal owing to succeed the another asiento.

after of 60 year of existencia avp cu the eleccion here owing to achieve also derecho for goberna his only y not in coalicion.  esaki owing to become the defeat of more big cu nel owing to achieve of the people y the have his mouth for gradici.

the cambio so anhela did take lugar yesterday y aruba is achieve one gobernacion cu majority absolute of avp.derota owing to cay assure for mpa of monica kock, cual faction was aspira assure 2 asiento but owing to cay considerable for stay without asiento, same cu red of rudy lampe cu owing to abide one defeat y for nothing can owing to succeed one asiento the trip here.

mpa owing to stay cu aspiracion till instant of was miss 5 urna more for enter. but faltando two for enter the faction owing to cay afo.

of ppa was conoci cu although what esfuerzo they owing to haci, they will not owing to succeed asiento, locual at end was the result also, while cu the partidonan msi y curpa for of they formacion can owing to ripara end cu nothing they will can haci in the eleccion here y owing to achieve golpi pisa.

the faction cu for of principio of eleccion owing to show of will succeed asiento assure was democracia regal of andin bikker y faltando 10 asiento they owing to cristaliza the asiento here.

for of early at home of faction at san nicolas celebracion owing to cuminza at instant cu indicacion was cu avp is arrive his 10 asiento cu posibilidad of 11 cu restzetel y not owing to last mucho cu celebracion owing to cuminza at home of faction at beach also, follow for party at paradera.

can owing to notice also cu several of esnan cu during all day was have amplifier poni pafo of cas owing to core keep esakinan night mirando the desaroyo of the eleccion y cu mep is perdiendo y the result owing to show claramente cu mep owing to lose his grab in people y have to of one reorganizacion assure.

avp is enter parliament cu caranan new y none of esnan on list of avp y cu can ocupa ministerio or parliament owing to arrive of form part of gobierno.e message good cla cu owing to wordo send also was for benny nisbet of ppa for let the faction in hand of another dirigente locual the have to owing to haci for of eleccion 2001 end.

provisoriamente avp owing to termina cu 26.564 voice, mep cu 19.862, democracia regal cu 3082, mpa cu 2481, red cu 1986, ppa 612, curpa 161 y msi cu 107 voice.

ex first ministro mr. henny eman owing to give of conoce yesterday night cu people owing to dicidi on cambio of direction but cu will is dificil for gobierno new because the crisis cu mep is let behind is deep. sinembargo the equipo cu avp have y the declaration of policy cu avp have is sufficient for soluciona problemanan.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 26, 2009, 07:41:44 PM
::MonkeyBike::

Hey TM,
I saw you over in the Haleigh thread.  I thought you were trying to round up
straying Natalee monkeys. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have gotten caught up in that case, but haven't forgotten Natalee over here.
Just not much happening with Natalee right now and it has been hoppin' over there.
I think that case is about to come to an end.

I am thrilled that Oduber lost the election. ::MonkeyDance::  I'll bet Beth is too.
At least Eman has a more pleasant face.


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySlide::

I was actually just hopping around myself a little bit...seeing what's going on with Haleigh's case too.  I'm interested in it as well, I just usually check in there several times a day to see what's going on.  I know you would never forget about Natalee, and don't blame you one bit for being over there, so no I wasn't out with the Shelties rounding up Natalee's monkeys (but they'd be great if I ever needed to do some herding!)   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I know when things pick up with news in the case everyone will be here!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm working on a transcript (and doing a little housework) so I'm in and out myself...it's a long transcript so I'm working on it some and taking breaks...I have to rewind so much it gets on my nerves!



I hope you have a great weekend, it's beautiful here today! 


We have had about two inches of rain today and BIG thunder.
I am glad that you posted that picture of Oduber with Beth.
The look on his face is etched in my memory.

That bunch of characters in the Haleigh case make Aruba look high class.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 26, 2009, 07:44:20 PM
I was going to ask if "anything new" happened while I was gone -- but, I see that Oduber was voted out!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 09:02:15 PM
I was going to ask if "anything new" happened while I was gone -- but, I see that Oduber was voted out!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

I'm glad you're back wreck!   ::MonkeyCheer3::  Hope you had a good trip! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
::MonkeyBike::

Hey TM,
I saw you over in the Haleigh thread.  I thought you were trying to round up
straying Natalee monkeys. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have gotten caught up in that case, but haven't forgotten Natalee over here.
Just not much happening with Natalee right now and it has been hoppin' over there.
I think that case is about to come to an end.

I am thrilled that Oduber lost the election. ::MonkeyDance::  I'll bet Beth is too.
At least Eman has a more pleasant face.


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySlide::

I was actually just hopping around myself a little bit...seeing what's going on with Haleigh's case too.  I'm interested in it as well, I just usually check in there several times a day to see what's going on.  I know you would never forget about Natalee, and don't blame you one bit for being over there, so no I wasn't out with the Shelties rounding up Natalee's monkeys (but they'd be great if I ever needed to do some herding!)   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I know when things pick up with news in the case everyone will be here!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm working on a transcript (and doing a little housework) so I'm in and out myself...it's a long transcript so I'm working on it some and taking breaks...I have to rewind so much it gets on my nerves!



I hope you have a great weekend, it's beautiful here today! 


We have had about two inches of rain today and BIG thunder.
I am glad that you posted that picture of Oduber with Beth.
The look on his face is etched in my memory.

That bunch of characters in the Haleigh case make Aruba look high class.

Mine too Magnolia!   :smt091

I hope you are safe (and have power) after those storms today! 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_NelsonOduber_hollowaytruestory.jpg)

<snipped>


OK Oduber ... listen and listen good ... this is not a threat ... it is a promise.  "I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 26, 2009, 10:19:20 PM
Goodbye Nels....
Wish you the WORST for the rest of your life.....And even worse thereafter......

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 26, 2009, 10:32:32 PM
Here is the link to Aruba Girls site if anyone is interested. She worked at one of the polling places yesterday and was a big supporter of AVP. Also it is in English.

http://www.arubagirl.typepad.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 26, 2009, 10:42:37 PM
Goodbye Nels....
Wish you the WORST for the rest of your life.....And even worse thereafter......

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
When aruba govt decided to look the other way and let the perps/judicial system/ALE skew the Justice that Natalee and her family deserved...and I believe then actively participate in the efforts of american traitors/cover up crew/persistence cover up...
It made it personal......aruba...I won't forget.....and I believe many Monkeys feel the same way....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 26, 2009, 10:45:04 PM
Goodbye Nels....
Wish you the WORST for the rest of your life.....And even worse thereafter......

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Me too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 10:58:07 PM
Goodbye Nels....
Wish you the WORST for the rest of your life.....And even worse thereafter......

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
When aruba govt decided to look the other way and let the perps/judicial system/ALE skew the Justice that Natalee and her family deserved...and I believe then actively participate in the efforts of american traitors/cover up crew/persistence cover up...
It made it personal......aruba...I won't forget.....and I believe many Monkeys feel the same way....

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 10:59:41 PM
Here is the link to Aruba Girls site if anyone is interested. She worked at one of the polling places yesterday and was a big supporter of AVP. Also it is in English.

http://www.arubagirl.typepad.com/

Thanks SuzieQ, I wondered about that.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 11:18:27 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeProm_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 26, 2009, 11:19:26 PM


Hi billb!  I thought I'd missed you!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on September 26, 2009, 11:56:26 PM
Did Oduber lose his seat?  Not sure if it works that way in Aruba.

Texas Mom - you do an awful lot of work for Natalee in providing so much information to the forum. 
I appreciate it, although often, well most of the time - do not have a clear understanding of what I am reading.

Bless Natalee and her family! ::MonkeyAngel::




From my understanding Oduber when the vote is confirmed, Oduber will lose his seat.  The AVP party won 12 of the 21 seats, I think it's safe to assume that Nelson Oduber will not be elected with the opposition party controlling the majority of the seats.

JMO

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has semi-autonomy on most internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, final judicial review, and "Kingdom matters" including human rights and good governance. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the legislature, or Staten, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba's judicial system, mainly derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Kingdom-level Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.

I'm sure Red knows a lot more about all of this than I do, I'm looking forward to his thoughts on the election!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the compliment, can!  I do my best to bring news articles here that peak my interest and that I hope others will be interested in too.  Unfortunately because of the language barrier, I don't always have a full understanding of a lot of it either.  I'm very grateful to those who help that understanding by finding similar reports in English or Dutch that are more easily translated.


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::






TM thank you so much.

I suppose even if Oduber won his seat in his riding/precinct his party would want him to give up the seat, since they made such a poor showing with him at the helm.

Yes, it would be interesting to hear what Red has to say.  Perhaps he'll stop by tomorrow.

God bless dear Natalee and her family.
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 26, 2009, 11:57:23 PM


Hi billb!  I thought I'd missed you!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hi to you too TM...
Just watching old movies with my bride and middle daughter...
But had to stop by to celebrate the downing of Nels, his party, and I HOPE everything it stood for.....
Time will tell.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 27, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
Good night Good Monkeys....
Justice IS just around the corner for Natalee/family and friends..
Goodbye nels....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 12:33:01 AM


Hi billb!  I thought I'd missed you!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hi to you too TM...
Just watching old movies with my bride and middle daughter...
But had to stop by to celebrate the downing of Nels, his party, and I HOPE everything it stood for.....
Time will tell.....


We had to get a new TV today...and hubby opted for a much larger one than we had before.  I think it's hurting my eyes, lol.  He's really enjoying it!  It will really be awesome if we get the HD box for our satellite...I don't think we need it though.  My goodness, it was almost like the football players were here with us in the living room!  Sounds like a great Saturday night watching old movies with the family.  Enjoy!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 12:39:42 AM
Good night Good Monkeys....
Justice IS just around the corner for Natalee/family and friends..
Goodbye nels....

Nite billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 27, 2009, 12:41:28 AM
Nite TM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 12:49:54 AM
Did Oduber lose his seat?  Not sure if it works that way in Aruba.

Texas Mom - you do an awful lot of work for Natalee in providing so much information to the forum. 
I appreciate it, although often, well most of the time - do not have a clear understanding of what I am reading.

Bless Natalee and her family! ::MonkeyAngel::




From my understanding Oduber when the vote is confirmed, Oduber will lose his seat.  The AVP party won 12 of the 21 seats, I think it's safe to assume that Nelson Oduber will not be elected with the opposition party controlling the majority of the seats.

JMO

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

GOVERNMENT
Part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Aruba has semi-autonomy on most internal affairs with the exception of defense, foreign affairs, final judicial review, and "Kingdom matters" including human rights and good governance. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, while a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor is appointed for a 6-year term by the monarch and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the legislature, or Staten, for 4-year terms. The Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve 4-year terms. Aruba's judicial system, mainly derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Kingdom-level Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.

I'm sure Red knows a lot more about all of this than I do, I'm looking forward to his thoughts on the election!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for the compliment, can!  I do my best to bring news articles here that peak my interest and that I hope others will be interested in too.  Unfortunately because of the language barrier, I don't always have a full understanding of a lot of it either.  I'm very grateful to those who help that understanding by finding similar reports in English or Dutch that are more easily translated.


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::






TM thank you so much.

I suppose even if Oduber won his seat in his riding/precinct his party would want him to give up the seat, since they made such a poor showing with him at the helm.

Yes, it would be interesting to hear what Red has to say.  Perhaps he'll stop by tomorrow.

God bless dear Natalee and her family.
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight Monkeys.

You know that is a good question...the more I think about it.  I was thinking more on the lines of his position as the Prime Minister.  But maybe he can still have a seat in Parliament?  Without looking I would assume that he was in the top 8 that got votes in his party.  Wish I knew how it all works, but I'm not sure I really care enough to put the effort into researching it more to find out.  JMO, but he doesn't hit me as the type that would settle for being just a member of Parliament at this point. I guess we'll see how it all plays out.

Good night can!   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 12:51:26 AM
Nite TM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Hope you're having a great weekend!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 01:33:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)




Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 27, 2009, 10:03:50 AM
http://arubagirl.typepad.com/

Change
In the end, it was a rout. AVP grew with 10 THOUSAND more votes. It got FOUR more seats than the nearest opposition party.

And it all started with a voting district in Noord.

 A voting district is just an administrative division used in elections. Winning or losing one doesn't necessarily define the results. The total amount of votes does. But one can see trends in how districts are turning out to try and predict the outcome of an election.

I was a party official at one of the voting districts in Noord. My day started extremely early at 5:45 to get everything ready. I arrived at the voting district 40 minutes before they opened to set up the chairs, the table, the lists. The district officials were there already, setting up their stuff.
 (snipped)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 27, 2009, 10:07:57 AM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74935

(http://avparuba.net/partido/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mge_002-450x335.jpg)

Mike Eman will be Aruba's next Prime Minister



AVP (Aruba Peoples Party), color green, won the election with 12 seats out of 21 seats, and Aruba will be governed for the third consecutive time by only one party. It is the first time that AVP has one 12 seats. Aruba has now shifted from center left government to a center right government. The big victory parade will be held on Sunday. The present government MEP party, color yellow, got 8 seats (a lost of 3 seats), and will be in the opposition for the next 4 years. Real Democrasy Party won 1 seat.

Some of the points of the AVP party for the next 4 years

To abolish turnover tax.
To fight crime by increasing police force, giving them more tools to execute their work properly and maintain order, introducing tough laws.
To invest in the island's infrastructure, constructing Aruba's first bike and jogging path from Oranjestad to the resort area, completion of Oranjestad bypass, construction of the 4 lane highway from Oranjestad to San Nicolas.
To find a new operator for the refinery.
To construct a commuter airport east of San Nicolas for small aircrafts only.
Enforce a moratorium for hotel construction mainly for the areas in west Aruba.
To upgrade donwtown Oranjestad, renovation mainstreet, restauration of monumental buildings, and increase the vibrancy back of the city.
Construction parking garages near downtown areas, introduce parking meters in city center.
To create special incentives for business investment in San Nicolas.
To upgrade and develop downtown San Nicolas as a Caribbean city.
To make Beatrix International Airport a regional passenger and cargo hub.
To open new tourism generating markets in the United States and Canada, direct flight from west coasts.
To open new Latin American and European generating markets to decrease Aruba's dependency on the U.S..
Lots of attention will put on the social aspects of society, increase purchasing power, affordable basic needs, good government pension, increase quality of health care, and affordable healthcare.
Lots of money will be spent on education, upgrading and constructing new schools, with good education materials.
Upgrading and construction sport facilities, introducing programs to have Arubans live a healthy life style, the AVP will be dedicated to fight obesity on the island, starting with children. All schools will be obliged to offer healthy foods.
To elevate the quality of the tourism product Aruba and attract tourists that are willing to spend more.
To make sure that Aruba is one clean country again, enforce tough fines for those who litter.
To preserve the environment by dedicating new areas as non construction areas.
To reduce substantially the demand for oil as a source of energy, gradually increasing the use of clean energy on the island.
To finalize the relocation process of the container harbor from Oranjestad.
To attract legacy carriers back to Aruba such as KLM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 27, 2009, 10:24:11 AM
Here is the link to Aruba Girls site if anyone is interested. She worked at one of the polling places yesterday and was a big supporter of AVP. Also it is in English.

http://www.arubagirl.typepad.com/

Thanks SuzieQ, I wondered about that.   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm behind in reading....when I had a chance to stop in yesterday, I recalled AG's support of AVP and visited her site.  It's a good feeling when you remember something that is right on.  I was so wiped out from Friday that I just didn't post.   Glad others had the energy.  I think I'm better today.   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 11:03:31 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/gobierno-nobo-lo-ta-gobierno-di-e-pueblo/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/car.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 27, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 02:47:38 PM
[(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Hollowayfamilygallery.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 27, 2009, 03:14:10 PM


Hi billb!  I thought I'd missed you!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hi to you too TM...
Just watching old movies with my bride and middle daughter...
But had to stop by to celebrate the downing of Nels, his party, and I HOPE everything it stood for.....
Time will tell.....


We had to get a new TV today...and hubby opted for a much larger one than we had before.  I think it's hurting my eyes, lol.  He's really enjoying it!  It will really be awesome if we get the HD box for our satellite...I don't think we need it though.  My goodness, it was almost like the football players were here with us in the living room!  Sounds like a great Saturday night watching old movies with the family.  Enjoy!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Get the HD -- you will be amazed. Try out the locals (over-the-air) with an antenna first. They are free!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 10:24:38 PM


Hi billb!  I thought I'd missed you!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hi to you too TM...
Just watching old movies with my bride and middle daughter...
But had to stop by to celebrate the downing of Nels, his party, and I HOPE everything it stood for.....
Time will tell.....


We had to get a new TV today...and hubby opted for a much larger one than we had before.  I think it's hurting my eyes, lol.  He's really enjoying it!  It will really be awesome if we get the HD box for our satellite...I don't think we need it though.  My goodness, it was almost like the football players were here with us in the living room!  Sounds like a great Saturday night watching old movies with the family.  Enjoy!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Get the HD -- you will be amazed. Try out the locals (over-the-air) with an antenna first. They are free!

Thanks wreck!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 27, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12440/5/

conversacionnan of consulta of governor refunjol owing to cuminza

sunday, 27 september 2009 - 13:38

because; part of the proceso of formacion of one gobierno new, after of eleccion of parliament of diabierna ultimo, governor of aruba monday now will cuminsa cu his conversacionnan of consulta. click read more for more info... during the conversacionnan here governor will ricibi informacion tocante result of the eleccion y also conseho tocante formacion of one gabinete new. anticipando the conversacionnan, governor saturday ultimo owing to ricibi visit of chairman of conseho electoral, sr. hubert maduro y of minister chairman sr. nelson oduber. during the conversacion, sr. maduro owing to informa governor of desaroyo of the eleccion y also sr. maduro owing to place governor at height of the first result of eleccion. after of this, governor owing to ricibi minister chairman sr. nelson oduber. at the ocasion here sr. oduber owing to ofrece at governor the retiro of his gabinete completo, for of the as here give espacio for form one gabinete new. governor will take the peticion of retiro in consideracion. at self instant governor owing to ask about the minister chairman y the ministernan of his gabinete, for stay encarga they self cu locual have to considera necesario for bienestar of aruba, till at instant cu governor take his decision for cu the peticion of retiro. monday 28 of september governor will as various consulta, among another cu chairman y secretario of raad van advies y cu chairman of staten. also governor will take away conversacion of consulta cu lidernan of the two fraccionnan more big cu will achieve representacion in the parliament new, faction of people (avp) y movimiento electoral of people (mep). come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 01:11:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 02:02:40 AM
http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d99d2730030029&sectionId=60

Published: September 26. 2009 06:57AM
 
Mother of missing US teenager Natalee Holloway to be a guest speaker in Bermuda

By Sam Strangeways

(http://www.royalgazette.com/static/pictures/wv1_1373380.jpeg)
 
Missing: Natalee Holloway 
(AP Photo/courtesy Marcia Twitty 
 
(http://www.royalgazette.com/static/pictures/wv1_1373381.jpeg)
 
Distraught: Beth Holloway, the mother of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, leaves a Press conference in 2005, shortly after her daughter went missing in Aruba. Mrs Holloway is coming to Bermuda to speak to youngsters. 
 
 
The mother of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway will visit Bermuda next week when she will urge students to take responsibility for their own safety.

Beth Holloway, whose 18-year-old daughter disappeared on a high school graduation trip in Aruba in 2005, will give a talk at Warwick Academy on Friday (October 2).

That evening she will be the guest speaker at the Physical Abuse Centre's 30th anniversary gala celebration at the Fairmont Hamilton Princess, her first ever international engagement.

Ms Holloway, who is visiting the Island for the first time with son Matt, 21, told The Royal Gazette in a telephone interview yesterday that she would talk to students on personal safety.

"It's their responsibility to watch out for themselves," she said. "I have presented to tens of thousands of high school and college students. I remind the young girls to bring their plans for an evening full circle. They need to pay as much attention to how they end their evening as how to how they begin it."

Natalee was last seen by her classmates leaving a nightclub in the town of Oranjestad. After she missed her return flight home, her luggage and passport were discovered in her hotel room. Police suspected foul play but her body has never been found.

Ms Holloway, who has written a book, 'Loving Natalee — A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith', said she initially found her presentations to other youngsters cathartic.

Now she said her hope was simply to help others by sharing her story. "What I try to remind myself is that it's the choice that I have when I wake up every morning, whether I want to be bitter or positive.

"How do I want to live the rest of my life? Do I remain a victim or do I want to become a victor? I want to deliver help or aid to those who need it."

The 49-year-old speech pathologist said she was aware that there were a number of unsolved murder cases here and hoped to meet the relatives of those victims.

"I think that when two persons come together that share similar occurrences in their life, of course I think they can learn from each other. They can encourage each other and support each other."

Warwick principal Maggie McCorkell said Ms Holloway would speak to students aged 15 to 18. "She will do a presentation on personal safety for these students in our morning assembly. I feel this is an increasingly important area that all people, and especially young people, need to be aware of and the more exposure we can give them, then the better informed they will be."

l For tickets to the gala call 292-4366.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 02:05:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:56:24 AM

Beth Holloway is an amazing woman.  It was not long after the disappearance of her precious daughter that Beth embarked on an ongoing mission of love ... a mission of the heart ... that extended beyond her pain ... her loss.

Beth Holloway's words and actions in her journey from the depths of H--- has been nothing short of inspirational for me and have afforded me strength in so many areas of my own life when discouragement may have prevailed.

Janet

++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
... In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 28, 2009, 08:37:56 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/opposition-avp-wins-landslide-aruba

Opposition AVP wins landslide in Aruba

Published on26 September 2009 - 10:39am
Filed under: Aruba AVP MEP parliamentary elections results


Aruba's Christian-Democrat AVP party has won a landslide victory in Friday's parliamentary elections, ousting the centre-left party MEP after eight years in power.
 
With more than 80 percent of the votes counted, the AVP looks set for 12 seats, four more than the MEP. This means that, like the MEP over the past eight years, the AVP will be able to form a majority government on its own.
Photo: facebook Mike Eman

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/favolist-3/images/lead/mike%20eman%20(faceebook)_0.jpg)

Thanks so much TxMom, and Buckeye as well.

This is fabulous news!!!!!!!!!!!!

What say we begin a letter writing campaign to Mr Eman?

Asking him to honor the Netherlands request to investigate what happened in the first 10 days after Natalee went missing.

Urging him to help Aruba make a productive, new start by doing all in his power to see that not only do the perpetrators against Natalee get brought to Justice, but that also those who were In Power and hindered this investigation are also brought to their knees.

Encourage him to show that Aruba is turning over a new leaf, wants to clear its name, and do the right thing by Natalee Holloway and her family.

That maybe, just maybe - after doing so, Aruba might enjoy the return of its tourism.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 28, 2009, 08:38:41 AM
Now is the time for this new party to investigate what went on on their slimy island AND most importantly what happened to Natalee and why she has not been returned to her family and country.  Would go a long way in clearing their name some (nothing will clear it completely with me).  Hope this brings down several ex-pats living on their island.  They are as guilty as the ousted party IMO.

I couldn't agree with you more, Blue Moon!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 28, 2009, 08:50:35 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer2::

Not only am I thrilled for what this could mean to Natalee's family, but I'm also very happy for the Aruban people.

No one deserves to live under a Dictatorship - such as was Nelson Oduber.

No one deserves to live in fear.

No one should have to live their life in accordance with the Good Ole Boy's far reaching crushing thumb.

Kudos to Aruba for doing the right thing for themselves - and hopefully for Natalee as well.

Perhaps those who lived in fear of the Powers That Be (Thank God they are no more!!!) will now feel comfortable to come forward with what they know of the events the night Natalee went missing.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
To avoid any misunderstandingss ... to avoid being scammed ... I now ask the hard questions prior to donating an amount larger than $10.00 to any fund.  I have learned to remind myself that we have all been blessed not only with a giving heart but with the ability to decern.

I have learned through personal experience.  Two years ago ... I unintentionally contributing substantially to furthering an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda that I opposed ... an Aruban agenda that was preventing justice from prevailing for a missing 18 year old American named Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++

A REMINDER

A TALE OF THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I was told to move forward and to forget about the trap. I was told not to show anyone the images.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
Kermit ... where are ya!  I hope all is well.

Hey ... my DIL and I have come to a roadblock in our almost completed work regarding various aspects of the Persistence betrayal.  We could sure use your background knowledge and archives to clear up some confusion.

Ribbit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 28, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
Kermit ... where are ya!  I hope all is well.

Hey ... my DIL and I have come to a roadblock in our almost completed work regarding various aspects of the Persistence betrayal.  We could sure use your background knowledge and archives to clear up some confusion.

Ribbit.

Janet


Be happy to help in anyway I can.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 07:44:02 PM
Thanks Kermit.

We are still in the process of attempting to simply connect all segments of the document (mini book).  If this is not possible ... separate sections is where it will be at.  My DIL's former instructor at the local university is coming over later to assist us.  It has been all so overwhelming as teacher DIL has just so much time to devote to the project.  However ... there appears to finally be some light at the end of the tunnel.

I am compiling what I will require from you in regards to some background knowledge as well as archives that will back up and ... will post within the next couple of days.

Thanks again for your willingness to assist.

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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:18:12 PM
This is a few more of the election related Amigoe articles from Saturday.  They didn't have them all posted when I checked there on Saturday.  I hope I didn't repeat anything, please forgive me if I did.

All are Google translations:


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Historic win AVP

September 26, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

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Mike Eman Celebrating with the AVP supporters just before his victory speech at Cas di Partido.

ORANGE CITY - The numbers speak for themselves: 26,485 votes, more than 6673 government party MEP, resulting in a sample of winning twelve seats for AVP. Of the largest opposition party was ten o'clock and two seats immediately rest seats. It was a historic victory for AVP: the party never won a majority of twelve seats in parliament.

In all voting districts was the Green Party an improvement, with an average of 40 percent, resulting in the constant cheering supporters that flock to the results on the big screens had come and watch. Traffic around the party house was stuck by honking cars. "Who said that AVP has an absolute majority has never been able to achieve this phone now!" Exulted leader Mike Eman (58) during his victory speech at the party house in Rancho ASF. The Green Party after the elections in 2005 had eight seats in parliament.

Biggest loser was the MEP that eight to eleven seats duikelde who currently has a restzetel. In total the government party won 19,812 votes. Other losers were both RED and MPA and therefore lost a seat in parliament not return. That while these parties in advance that they thought just more seats at the expense of the major parties would achieve. That was the idea of PDR leader Andin Bikker, although for the first parliament was elected, but nevertheless relied on more seats.

Mike Eman, the proposed new Prime Minister of Aruba congratulated Bikker earned his seat. "On the evening parties have made a less good result, I would say that it belongs to the realities of politics."

Eman spoke to also conciliatory towards the supporters of opponent MEP. "The followers of MEP are not guilty of the past eight years, that their leaders. I invite them to participate in the cambio. "Eman also thanked in particular the" Latino community ", which was well represented at the festivities, and he spoke a word of thanks to the Haitian community in Patois. Tomorrow celebrates her victory with the AVP traditional procession of the winning party.


Repeating history
MEP leader and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had no congratulations. He laid the blame for the loss of his party in the Netherlands and partly Valero. The Dutch government would by the terms of notice required of a corruption investigation in mixed Aruban affairs, said Oduber. And Valero CEO Bill Klees from just before the elections closed the refinery in San Nicolas to have parties have chosen. Oduber got in his speech that was exclusively reserved for the party minded Canal 22, a lot tonight from the AVP. That was its unrealistic promises once again trying to make true, says MEP leader.

The history would also have repeated. Just as in 1985 when the refinery in Aruba and also closed a crisis hit, the MEP had a high price to pay in the election, he says. While the yellow party had just ensured that Aruba was a country, said Oduber. In any case, in 2009 'lies and materialism "beating, said the outgoing premier.


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The voting results are preliminary, Wednesday, the Electoral Council announced the final results in a public session.




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Foreign interest

September 26, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban parliamentary elections in the Netherlands receive the necessary attention. Several newspapers including Volkskrant and NRC Handelsblad write about the 'electoral victory of the Aruban People's Party ". Advance in the Netherlands were also divided on the conduct and outcome. So yesterday was on Radio 1 to hear James stark, former director of the Forsa Antillean interest group thinks that "corruption in Aruba will continue, which party wins there. Council member of the Christian Union Evelin-Pierre Dumfries was positive. According Dumfries Aruba has already been achieved in recent years, but "we must not forget that a country in development. The relationship with the Netherlands is listed in each article. The expectation in the Dutch media that the relationship between the countries will improve significantly under the rule of AVP-leader Mike Eman.

From the Dutch government has not yet responded to the outcome of the election. This morning was a reaction of the Antillean government not known.

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Emotional poll Mike Eman

September 26, 2009, 13:01 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - "I miss my mother." ASF party leader Mike Eman shows his emotions run wild when after a question from the press to indicate that this is his first election since the death of his mother Blanche Eman-Hartogh. The party leader, his wife and Doina Neagoy his brother, former Prime Minister Henny Eman voted one hours around midday in Colegio Arubano. They were in their way to the polling station accompanied by virtually all candidates on the list of AVP and the largest crowd of supporters of the day. The press gave Eman already indicated twelve seats to be expected. "I've worked on a plan and a team from a broad standing within our community can enjoy." Earlier in the day the candidates of the Green Party and their respective supporters to the polls. Paul Croes agreed Scol Prearatorio Washington, Michelle Winklaar Centro di Bario in Tanki Leendert and Lijstduwer Yrausquin Juan David spent his vote in the St. Aloysius School in North.


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MEP: "Lies and materialism have won '

September 26, 2009, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)

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Yesterday morning voted MEP leader and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has full confidence and was especially significant in Santa Cruz partied. Last night around one hours, when almost all polling stations were counted, the party bastion was now changed into a ghost town.

ORANGE CITY - Was there on the main road from Santa Cruz yesterday a long file of MEP optimistic supporters, tonight against one hours' night was the bastion of the ruling party completely abandoned. Across the birth cradle "of Betico Croes, where number three on the list Evelyn Wever-Croes honkte weeks, someone has left a portable stereo. Slow music resounds 80 years on the empty patch, while in the chair with a large "E" of Evelyn, a crumpled flag is left.

by our reporter
Sharina Henriquez

There is nobody in sight for a first response. Further on gives Finance Minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) at home. He sits with his feet on a chair in the backyard with some supporters and surprised about the high number of invalid votes - more than 9000 - that is communicated by Tele Aruba on a big screen that he has hung. A reaction to yellow after the disastrous party vote, he would not give. On the other side it is party. At the home of "Mama Ties', the mother of ex-AVP-Tico Croes Minister and parliamentarian aunt of Andy Lee, number four on the green list, fireworks.

Party leader and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and his family have been locked in his house in Pontoon and his son let his father know that none of the press to speak. Surprisingly Oduber one hours later to see the new TV channel Canal 22, Edmond Croes, family Betico Croes. It is not an interview but a monologue from the couch, next to him and his wife Glenda and son behind him, standing with arms folded, his most loyal supporters. Oduber said this morning during the release of his voice again: "We will win. Today comes an end to all corruption and disrespectful messages are published on the Prime Minister. "Tonight is his story that" lies and materialism "have won. "After eight years, the people govern our democratic reign assess. The people had the choice this time between an honest government that tells the truth and opponents who operate on the basis of lies, promises, accusations without evidence and aided by the Dutch government has intervened in the elections for Aruban affairs by announcing a review .

Dismissal
The leader of the yellow party announces that on October 31 the government's resignation to the governor so. Oduber said to want peace now, but calls the "party militia" in order to voice objections today to begin. "Make stickers stating cumpli awo! (satisfies now!, ed). "Because Oduber would still show winner or AVP can deliver its promises. "We will ensure that they are now, by November, in fact abolish the BBO. That they under state pension and to double in 1500 and to dismiss officials. But we respect the outcome. The Aruban community has a majority decided to opt for these promises. "

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ARUBA

AVP party mainly of relief

September 26, 2009, 13:53 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The vote of the majority of polling around half past ten last night and the familiar atmosphere of Cas di Partido is a festive word. Happy people, drunk friends who fall into each other's arms. Arubans, Latinos, occasionally a Dutchman. It is only a matter of time before the final, but won every ballot by AVP (and there are many) on the giant screen disclosed, as a welcome goal.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

There's victory in the air, but a sense of relief. Beloved address each bite and not let go, strangers congratulate each other. A pagara placed on the street with loud jeers and chipped. Colleague Nelson's Speed Andrade blissful smile can not lose and takes photos of the revelers. Once the stage is prepared, the master of ceremonies announces that this year millions of trees and rental cars have voted and that no foreign AVP band needs to bring people to the bone. The audience responds enthusiastically. Meanwhile, some candidates have been and are congratulated by the exuberant audience. Shortly afterwards there was time. Mike Eman arrives in his SUV, half climbs on the roof and it is a madhouse. Once on stage he keeps his speech. It does not matter that he half pulled out of sight because of a massive cameraman for him. Nothing is more out. AVP has won. When he announces that half the party won twelve seats the party can not go wrong.

Campaigning
The candidates of the Aruban People's Party showed yesterday during the day, as in any event during their long campaign, their team spirit by looking at each other and act together. While leader Mike Eman yet to arrive at the polling station of Colegio Arubano, some candidates make their appearance. They had already voted. Other candidates, such as Michelle and Juan David Winklaar Yrausquin are not. A large group of supporters is Richard Visser is already there in his bus di Salud and draws the green shirts of young fans after his radio interview. Paul Croes gets a warm welcome at his old school ground. Andy Lee is there. The excitement is high when the honking of the upcoming parade of Mike Eman heard. The leader and his wife are to radiate the same as black jeep in the parade. When the pressure is blown off to the school fence. Once inside the pressure remains for the press. In presence of his brothers, his wife, Andy Lee and Paul Croes Eman can not restrain the tears when his deceased mother in 2006 is discussed. "I had wished that she was with us today, but I feel that she is here with us." More than this he will not hereafter.

Roundabout
At the roundabout of Pos Chiquito, the flame in the pan are flown, said callers to MEP station TOP 95. AVP supporters were moving long-MEP Istas harassment and the police would just stand there without doing anything. From Santa Cruz, a group of "commandos" way to order things in order, says the channel. Once there in the afternoon see the Amigoe that the road actually a large group of people about to bawl ASF against car driving with MEP flags and stickers. An agent reports that no incidents have happened. "It's the same in every election," he says laconically. And indeed, despite occasionally being abused over and again the atmosphere is anything but grim. These commands are never arrived. A school bus with MEP supporters are welcomed by a man with a broom to clean the road. "Bari nan joke!" Candidate Manolo Besselink can be seen here for some contact with supporters. There are still a few hours ahead to win votes.

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PDR: A 'disappointing' triumph

September 26, 2009, 13:51 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Just before the final outcome is PDR leader Andin Bikker members met with waving hands, who received him with open arms and congratulate. "We have grown and we have a seat, so I'm happy. But I had hoped for more ", says Bikker. He is alluding to the three seats he had predicted yesterday afternoon. PDR achieved according to preliminary vote counts 3140.

by our reporter
Mariska Bechis

In the previous elections did Partido Democracia Real (PDR) in an office after 23 votes to win. Yesterday was the party succeeded. However the disappointment was big, because now everybody at least two and as it was even three seats counted. By Bikker emotions were shared. "I find it remarkable how it went, but this is a triumph. This result shows that our work recognized by the people. This is also a signal to me of the people that I want to see at a certain position, "said the party leader. Despite these words of Bikker, not everyone is yet to cheer. "Nothing has changed, because we go from one to another majority. Although we have taken a seat, I'm sad because we have worked for three seats, "said José Lino Gonzalez (43), a disappointed member of the party.

So despite the media attention for PDR, Bikker and congratulations to the popping of champagne, the atmosphere at the house party in Northern relatively quiet year as earlier in the evening had been. When sounded just like cheering and clapping after each PDR positive results which came both from within and outside the party house. Bikker followed within in the company of his wife and members monitor the results on television. Outside the broadcast was projected on a white screen, so the rest of the attendees who also could follow.

However, PDR during the election clearly a different side of himself show. Thus Andin Bikker morning with loud cheers, loud music and lots of companionship to the Colegio Arubano in Oranjestad supervised. Also Serge Mansur, second in PDR-list, has afternoon arrival are not let go unnoticed by the EPB Hato having county rights. Flink honking of cars with flags and PDR even after the hard drumming of a group of youngsters were part of the voting scenario. Serge Mansur himself was also too good to talk. "I'm very positive about this election, because I believe that today a good result would be reaped the benefit of Aruba." Contrast was third on the list of PDR Gregory Lacle hardly supporters along. He closed quietly with wife, children and a few members PDR-back of the line and waited quietly for his turn.

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ARUBA

Disappointment for MPA

September 26, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "A big surprise and disappointment," said the leader of MPA Monica Kock. Kock left around half past twelve at night the MPA office in Orange City. "It was clear that the ASF would be victorious." MPA lost one seat and gained according to preliminary vote counts in 2443, fewer votes than the party expected.

by our reporter
Shade Cybulkiewicz

"Apparently, the people still have traditional politics," says Kock. "House visits, going to funerals and organizing big events is what the people have touched." It is the party leader of the pink party was certainly a setback. "The people did all the work I've done in recent years not appreciated. It will have a reason. "Kock congratulates the winning party can and wish her all the best.

According to Glen Lande at number three on the list of MPA, the loss would also partly to a lack of funds are. "I think what we at the next election rather need to start preparing for the campaign." Lande think it is still important to invest in campaigning. "It seems that what the people achieved." Lande also remains positive: "This setback will certainly not end with MPA. We keep our best and hope to get more votes next election. "The most junior of MPA and all other parties Dorothal Rich Ella (22) was also disappointing that MPA is faced with this loss. "It will have a reason," said Dorothal. "I hope it goes to a good cause."

MPA had this setback is not expected. The party was counting on many more votes, but the results showed what else. morning Kock was still very optimistic as they reached the Cayena-kindergarten and her two daughters and a large group of supporters going to vote. Kock: "We go for the 10,000 votes." De Kock nerves were under no. "I am very optimistic and am sure we will get far in these elections."

On the audit of the vote in Cayena-kindergarten Kock was not so happy. It took the workers were outside the polling station to cast the control, very difficulty to hear what the workers inside the room omriepen. Their task is to voice the song to write and verify. When Kock noted that she had disagreed. Kock: "Well how can employees do their job well if they can not hear what is listed inside." This led to the voters in the queue asked to be quieter, so the workers could do their job well.


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Loud voice PDR

September 26, 2009, 12:59 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY-PDR-leader Andin Bikker has cast his vote yesterday in the Colegio Aruba in Oranjestad. At half past eleven in the morning he came in, accompanied by a large following and loud music. Among many cheers Bikker told a very good feeling about this election to have. "I think we are winning at least three seats. We have long campaigned for four years, the team is brand new and the message this year is much better come over ", says Bikker. Although the music was very loud and quite close to the polling station was, says Bikker to have had no complaints from the police. Bikker: "The police were aware of this scenario and they liked it, but if the amplifiers were outside the agreed 50 meter." Yet complained at one point a member of the polling station, because of noise caused PDR. "When we have immediately turned the music", says Bikker.

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Rudy Lampe (RED): "More of the same '

September 26, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "Aruba has chosen to maintain the political status quo. For more of the same. "It says clearly disappointed Rudy Lampe, leader of RED, last night after the results of the elections was clear. The political party of Lampe obtained according to preliminary vote counts in 2371, over 200 not enough to meet the threshold. RED result, the current seat and loses the coming reign of parliament disappears.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

At the headquarters of the party vote was printed last night. After the removal of nearly half of all polling stations inside, it was clear that for RED would be very difficult to have a seat to win. The few people on the street cede in Belgium were present, looked into the garden together to the election results. Rudy Lampe was then not available for comment. "He is busy coordinating our people at the polling stations," said Luigi Bergen party. Bergen said the outcome in a first response 'disappointing'.

Trend
After a few hours later, most results were in, Lampe has joined with his people. He announced sorry to find that their message has not been echoed in the population. "We have a very explicit change in the political system is proposed. Our message is not received. Or maybe come over, but the people have chosen a different direction. "Lampe finds it" remarkable "that the population for the third consecutive time to choose a party gets a majority in parliament. It is a striking choice, said the party leader and he wonders whether it might be a trend. "Are we a kind of two-party system where each time a party wins, such as the United States?"

What does RED do, now they have lost seat in parliament, Lampe know yet. "About four weeks we have a meeting of members of RED Democratico. Members must decide on the future of RED. I dare to say anything about that now. "He thinks that there should be well considered and analyzed why the party" in this situation "ended up. Anyway, it is a disappointing outcome for the father. "We did not expect," said Lampe. One of the attendees raised the father a shot in the arm and asked him to continue to concentrate his good work.




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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:21:35 PM
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Google translation:

Oduber Cabinet should resign by October 31

September 28, 2009, 15:54 (GMT -04:00)

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and Governor Fredis Refunjol during their conversation last Saturday. It was the resignation of the Prime Minister in his cabinet.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) has last Saturday the resignation of his entire cabinet offered to it to make room for the formation of a new government. He did this during a meeting with the governor Fredis Refunjol.

Last Friday-Saturday night announced the leader of the yellow party on October 31 that the government would submit her resignation. This morning, the Prime Minister during a press conference to know "until midnight" on that last day in power to continue. In that period the government would implement a number of issues "which we have lost during the elections. One is to as quickly as possible removing the bbo.

The conversation between the governor and Oduber Refunjol was in anticipation of the governor of the consultation discussions, which began today. During these discussions, the governor advised about the outcome of the elections and the formation of a new Cabinet. Today, the governor would take several consultations, including with the president and secretary of the Advisory Board, the President of the States and the leaders of the two largest groups in the new States will be represented, AVP and MEP.

The governor last Saturday, the chairman of the Electoral Council Hubert Maduro received. During their conversation, the governor informed about the conduct of the elections and the preliminary outcome.

 


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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:25:44 PM
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Google translation:

Turnout slightly lower

September 28, 2009, 15:53 (GMT -04:00)

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Oranjestad and San Nicolas voted last Friday fully green

ORANGE CITY - On the basis of provisional results - so would that of polling station 4, Cayena kindergarten have not officially - the turnout was 85.3 last Friday. That was slightly lower than in the previous parliamentary elections in 2005 when the percentage was 85.7. AVP-leader Mike Eman was again the most votes of all candidates (see page 5 for the top ten).

Of the 64,601 voters, 55,125 people who voted 629 votes were declared invalid. The 59 polling stations were divided into six voting districts: Northern, Orange City, Paradera, Santa Cruz, San Nicolas and Savaneta. AVP was supreme in Oranjestad and San Nicolas. In the twelve polling stations in Orange City was the Green Party the largest and so did the eight polling stations in San Nicolas. North was also almost entirely green, from the 14 polling stations had only MEP Kudawecha more primary votes than AVP. In Paradera went right on. At the polling station with the highest number of electors (voters in 1234), Intellectual Disability Office, won MEP. In Colegio Pastor Kranwinkel were two polling stations where a (polling station 29) MEP won by a margin of one vote (428-427 votes) of AVP and the other (polling station 30) the profits went to the Green Party. MEP remained supreme in the Santa Cruz having county rights and was therefore in eight polling the most votes. In ASF Savaneta got five of the nine polling the most votes.

The government was thus the outcome of polling station 4 is not official. Although this already on the site www.overheid.aw be seen, the president of the polling station would not have placed a sign which the outcome is not valid. Saturday showed public officer buvo know that official results be published this Wednesday, but earlier this morning showed that at the weekend will happen.


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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:28:42 PM
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Google translation:

ARUBA

AVP exuberant victory parade

September 28, 2009, 15:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A supporter of the ASF way symbolically wipe clean during the victory parade of the Green Party. Yesterday the left "parada di victoria" from San Nicolas, along Savaneta Pos Chiquito and the junction of the Drive-Inn. Then it went through an almost deserted-looking MEP stronghold Paradera to Santa Cruz, to end at Havana Beach Club in Oranjestad. That was long after sunset ASF celebrated the historic victory. The parade was great this time, though with some big holes. It went quiet are released. The police reported four arrests following two minor scuffles near the roundabout of Pos Chiquito. The fights were not politically motivated, it would be old quarrels, said police chief Peter de Witte.


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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
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Google translation:

ARUBA

Police pleased with progress elections

September 28, 2009, 15:51 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "We previously hoped that everybody's opinion and would respect the election. That has happened and we can all rejoice. "Thus says the police chief Peter White who showed his satisfaction over the conduct of the elections.

The campaign period started early, said the chief, and there are "incredible" many events. The White is very pleased about the deal with the party leadership is ultimately made no longer organize car parades. The following licenses initially to both AVP and MEP were issued at September 13 parades on the road to keep and what also strong criticism of the chief led among others Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. It was also here Sunday that "exciting", says De Witte, when MEP supporters wanted to organize an illegal parade. But it eventually went well. The election went well according to the chief. "A turnout of 85, if you land there should be very proud. In a few incidentjes after, as at St. Aloysius College, where she also not released, however, was quiet. "Even when the detainees went well, said De Witte. They could at mobile polling stations in Oranjestad, San Nicolas and KIA in prison to vote.


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Google translation:

ARUBA

CBB: Many complaints about election propaganda

September 28, 2009, 15:50 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - CBB received a large amount of complaints about the placement of advertising material such as flags and signs on them inappropriate places, including public land. There were also complaints about the removal of flags or steal by political opponents and harassment in relation to place signs.

This has Emerencia Lydia, president of Comishon Bon Boluntad (CBB), announced in a press release containing a summary of the complaints in the last Parliament when the committee had received.

According Emerencia CBB has raised these issues several times and was on Department Public Works (DOW) has called for steps to take to the campaign materials from public spaces away. "So far this has not led to many operations of this department, although the director has announced that they would do so", said Emerencia, the arson of the trailer for AVP candidate Benny Sevinger with a Molotov cocktail as most serious violation calls.

CBB would have received many complaints about how political parties occupy the road stickers to hand out. "In some cases, roundabouts, and to complete without authorization," said Emerencia. These activities particularly in the weekend took place caused by her great inconvenience to road users who wanted nothing else than from one place to another to come. "It caused the traffic that cause many people felt compelled to be explicit when they served were not there. It is anything but pleasant when you are forced to say yes or no to the offer propaganda material. In many cases it was not unknown to people in the community who do not want to be branded or not material because they would have adopted, "said Emerencia.

CBB also received many complaints about the media. Thus copyrighted material illegally used and the flag of Aruba in a TV spot burned by the suggestion that a political opponent would have done, but this was not the case. Also on ugly names of political opponents and insinuations about the private life and sexual preferences of a trustee would be heard by the CBB, as did allegations of receiving funds from the government for the lease of a building, what the complainant pertinent would not be true. In not all cases, CBB received information suggesting that the complaint was based on truth. But she knows that in some cases all legal steps have been taken.


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Correction


September 28, 2009, 15:50 (GMT -04:00)


In the edition of last Saturday was the front-page "Historical ASF victory" shows that party leader Mike Eman 58 years old would be. This was a miscalculation, he is ten years younger, ie 48 years old.


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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:47:42 PM
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Google translation:

ARUBA

Censo: '9000 Invalid votes nonsense '

September 28, 2009, 15:49 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "Tele Aruba has uitgekraamd nonsense. There is no 9000 invalid votes in 9000 but non-voters. The number of invalid votes is 629, "said Sharlin Luydens, Director of Civil Status, Censoring, and member of the Electoral Council. "If there really were 9000 invalid votes than we had been declared the election invalid." Last Friday was Tele Aruba presenter Ivo Yanez ever proclaim that 9000 votes were declared invalid. "I do not know about how they have missed," said Luydens further says that "very tired" to have. "We have worked 48 hours in a row. I have no voice left. "However it is very positive about the way her department has worked. "It went super well. Censo, for its part, 100 percent performance. While it might have gone wrong is not our fault, but to other services. "

The unofficial result has been known since Saturday. The official result was as stated by law, five days after the election, so be announced next Wednesday. But that happens a few days later. "We are only human. We also can rest a little bit, "said Sharlin Luydens.


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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 08:57:09 PM
I find that hard to believe.

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ARUBA

Cruise tourism has increased significantly

September 28, 2009, 15:47 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Despite the global economic crisis Aruba Cruise Tourism reported that the number of cruise tourists this year has increased substantially. In July the number rose by 7 percent and 33 percent in August compared to same months in 2008.

These are the tourists and crew employed on the cruise. Both the cruise tourists and employees of the cruise investment in the economy of the island. They spend money on excursions, car rentals, restaurants and other facilities on the island. According to Aruba Aruba Cruise Tourism would very much value as tourist product. This year there were four cruise ship visits over last year and five more in August. Now cruise tourists the opportunity to Aruba on a promotional movie to watch on the website www.ArubaByCruise.com. The movie is the tourist information in English about what Aruba as holiday island to all visitors to offer.


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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
http://centreonphilanthropy.com/event.php?id=180&t=

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Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 09:24:10 PM
http://www.bermudasun.bm/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=270&ArticleID=42911

9/25/2009 11:40:00 AM    

Crime victims' families urged to form support group

Family and friends of violent crime victims should lean on each other to make it through the tough times.

This is the view of staff at the Physical Abuse Centre, who want to form a support group to help ease the pain of Bermuda's escalating crime rate.

They hope a message of empowerment and hope from a missing girl's mother, Beth ­Holloway, will "spur people into action".

Ms Holloway, whose daughter Natalee disappeared in 2005 during a high school trip to Aruba, will visit Bermuda to kick off Domestic Violence Awareness Month in ­October.


The Physical Abuse Centre, which celebrates its 30th anniversary this year, always sees an increase in calls for help after a serious crime has taken place.

They receive pleas from the family and friends of victims of shootings and stabbings who want to know who they can talk to about their experiences.

Director Laurie Shiell revealed they "wanted to get it all off their chest" but felt like there was no one who would understand.

She added: "We hope Beth's talk will be a catalyst for a new and much needed support group.

"Family and friends of violent crime victims have been involved in a crisis situation but they don't have anyone to turn to.

"Those with cancer have support groups, those who have been abused have support groups but this is a group of the community not being listened to.

"They can support each other through the tough times and work things through.

"This new support group would help people to see their way through the forest into the light."

Families affected by violent crime always have a police liaison officer assigned to them but Ms Shiell fears this is not always enough.

She claims people affected by violent crimes reach out to find out "who the best person to speak to is".

Ms Shiell said: "People call us because they know we offer a counselling service. We try to work with them and find out their needs. But little do they know they could be helping each other.

"They can seek support from each other, be there for each other.

"They know exactly what each other is going through."

Ms Shiell revealed The Physical Abuse Centre would be happy to oversee the group, offering help and advice when needed.

She hopes it will eventually visit schools to warn children of the dangers of gang violence.

Ms Shiell said: "You occasionally get an individual who has been affected by a violent crime speaking out but many voices are much better than a lone voice.

"All these voices need to come together."

Bermuda Police Service spokesman Dwayne Caines insisted that the force will happily support any organisation that "will bring comfort and help to individuals ­affected by serious crimes".

He added that the police had fully backed the formation of the group ROLO - Remembering Our Loved Ones - which was set up to support the families of road death victims.

Mr. Caines said: "Forging partnerships with relevant community agencies is something that we believe, if done correctly with the appropriate support, can have a huge benefit to the police and Bermuda overall."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 10:18:41 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/e-xenofobia-di-nel/

I bet this is a great article by Jossy Mansur about Nel Oduber.  I've tried but I just don't think the translations do it justice. 

I haven't seen Sandy Leiva in a while, if anybody stops in that can do a translation that we can understand I would greatly appreciate it!

 ::MonkeyCool::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 28, 2009, 10:23:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63069.php

Google translation:

Oduber Cabinet should resign by October 31

September 28, 2009, 15:54 (GMT -04:00)

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and Governor Fredis Refunjol during their conversation last Saturday. It was the resignation of the Prime Minister in his cabinet.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) has last Saturday the resignation of his entire cabinet offered to it to make room for the formation of a new government. He did this during a meeting with the governor Fredis Refunjol.

Last Friday-Saturday night announced the leader of the yellow party on October 31 that the government would submit her resignation. This morning, the Prime Minister during a press conference to know "until midnight" on that last day in power to continue. In that period the government would implement a number of issues "which we have lost during the elections. One is to as quickly as possible removing the bbo.

The conversation between the governor and Oduber Refunjol was in anticipation of the governor of the consultation discussions, which began today. During these discussions, the governor advised about the outcome of the elections and the formation of a new Cabinet. Today, the governor would take several consultations, including with the president and secretary of the Advisory Board, the President of the States and the leaders of the two largest groups in the new States will be represented, AVP and MEP.

The governor last Saturday, the chairman of the Electoral Council Hubert Maduro received. During their conversation, the governor informed about the conduct of the elections and the preliminary outcome.

 

The sooner the better.................so says I.   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: sis-boom-bah.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63069.php

Google translation:

Oduber Cabinet should resign by October 31

September 28, 2009, 15:54 (GMT -04:00)

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and Governor Fredis Refunjol during their conversation last Saturday. It was the resignation of the Prime Minister in his cabinet.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) has last Saturday the resignation of his entire cabinet offered to it to make room for the formation of a new government. He did this during a meeting with the governor Fredis Refunjol.

Last Friday-Saturday night announced the leader of the yellow party on October 31 that the government would submit her resignation. This morning, the Prime Minister during a press conference to know "until midnight" on that last day in power to continue. In that period the government would implement a number of issues "which we have lost during the elections. One is to as quickly as possible removing the bbo.

The conversation between the governor and Oduber Refunjol was in anticipation of the governor of the consultation discussions, which began today. During these discussions, the governor advised about the outcome of the elections and the formation of a new Cabinet. Today, the governor would take several consultations, including with the president and secretary of the Advisory Board, the President of the States and the leaders of the two largest groups in the new States will be represented, AVP and MEP.

The governor last Saturday, the chairman of the Electoral Council Hubert Maduro received. During their conversation, the governor informed about the conduct of the elections and the preliminary outcome.

 

The sooner the better.................so says I.   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: sis-boom-bah.

So says me too!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 10:36:45 PM


From what I've been reading Nel's a sore loser.   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 28, 2009, 11:21:38 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::   

Texasmom, you've outdone yourself every day.  Thank you for all the news, especially about Beth's speaking engagement. 

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 28, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Note:  It's heartwarming to see SM members who post in other MP threads lighting candles for Natalee.   :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 28, 2009, 11:30:12 PM
Hi, Snoop Dawg....I see you up there.  Makes me think of Jacqueline....wonder how she's doin'....long time no see. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 28, 2009, 11:41:02 PM
::MonkeyAngel::   

Texasmom, you've outdone yourself every day.  Thank you for all the news, especially about Beth's speaking engagement. 

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Thanks 2NJ!  And you're welcome too!   ::MonkeyAngel::
 
::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 12:13:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Lee_Madison_Ruth_Aruba_holl.jpg)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 29, 2009, 12:27:23 AM
Goodbye nellie - may you feel the pain of Natalee and her family/friends for the rest of your life....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 29, 2009, 12:30:27 AM
Good evening and Good night good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee just got another layer of the onion peeled back with the defeat of little nels and mep....
Let's hope the next regime corrects the injustice.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 29, 2009, 12:34:28 AM
Hi TM...I see you and thank you for all you bring on behalf of Natalee.....
As you may notice...I still have issues with nels/mep that I just can't turn the other cheek.....
I do so much HATE THEM ALL......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 12:36:20 AM
Good evening and Good night good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee just got another layer of the onion peeled back with the defeat of little nels and mep....
Let's hope the next regime corrects the injustice.....

That's my hope and prayer.   ::MonkeyCool::

It's never too late to do the right thing....

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 29, 2009, 12:37:07 AM
Thanks for the new info. TM. Goodnight Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
Hi TM...I see you and thank you for all you bring on behalf of Natalee.....
As you may notice...I still have issues with nels/mep that I just can't turn the other cheek.....
I do so much HATE THEM ALL......

Hi billb!   ::MonkeySkate::

You're welcome, I love doing anything I can for Natalee and her family.

As you can tell I still have issues with Nel too...I'm not sure I'll ever get over them.

Like Magnolia said the other night, the look on his face in that picture with Beth is etched in my memory...I'll never forget it.  I'll also never forget his words to Dave Holloway, he lied. 

And there's so much more.   ::MonkeyMad::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 12:53:05 AM
Thanks for the new info. TM. Goodnight Monkeys.

Hi, and you're welcome cajun miracle!  I hope you had a good day!

Good night, sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:19:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:31:42 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/vice-consul-di-embahada-mericano-perdi-na-curacao/

Papiamentu/Google Spanish translation:

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/consulperdi.jpg)

vice-consul of embassy mericano lost at curacao

publication: monday, 28 september 2009.

category: general,

police in end of week Owing to stop his house!

Oranjestad (AAN): authority of Curaçao was dealing in end of week one cu mysterious case of disappearance. the issue did take one direction even surprising, hour cu Owing to stop the wife!

Owing to being show, cu by diahuebs 24 of september end, is seeking whereabouts of the mericano, edward james hogan of 49 year of age, occupies one function that is high in embassy mericano at Willemstad.

james is vice-consul at the embassy. The madam of dje, Owing to let know the cu by diahuebs is lost, and yet till the Muher diabierna Owing to dicidi at delivery notice of his disappearance at police.

Owing to indicate authority, cu cu the last place person Owing to see james, cu hour was past nightfall diahuebs Owing to jog at bay janthiel. Tay do not leak much, because; cu is the diplomatic one, and the case is place esey become even more airtight.

tog the disappearance of James Hogan Owing to Achieve attention at the island, and the shock Owing to present in end of week, hour cu Owing to come leave the wife at cla cu Owing to stay stopped while because; "person of interest" in the disappearance .

but in orana of nightfall, he here panana of Owing to word Achieved in area of caracasbaai. Owing to enter after report deouje ge cu Owing to see one Headlamp is drief.

The wings here obheto Owing to disappear after, and Owing to become dark. Not Owing to see nothing more. Kizas the can is one case of suicide.

Owing to Achieve authority cu know the pareho was recently in one discussion, and they're pesey Muher for interogando the kico know more can Owing to happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:38:50 AM
http://antillen.blogo.nl/tag/james-edward-hogan/

(http://antillen.blogo.nl/files/2009/09/hogan-227x300.jpg)

FBI to help search for missing Curaçao U.S. diplomat

By Marlies on Monday, September 28, 2009 at 19:54

Posted in Crime & Safety, Curaçao.

Caribiana reports that last weekend five FBI agents participated in the study of the American vice-consul Edward James Hogan. Hogan has since vanished Thursday. He went a walk and has not been seen since. A major search in and around Caracas Bay followed. But so far there is no trace of Hogan. However, near the Caracas Bay jeans from the 49-year-old American found. The police reports that are currently examined all possibilities, including a crime, kidnapping and a "private matter".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.rnw.nl/nl/caribiana/article/fbi-helpt-cura%25C3%25A7ao-met-zoeken-naar-amerikaan&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522James%2BEdward%2BHogan%2522%2Bvice%2Bconsul%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgBvIHdQn5Z1SG-yKu3ipZHq3WUUw

FBI to help find American Curaçao

Published: September 28, 2009 - 4:42 pm | by Editor Caribiana

Read more about: Consulate Curacao FBI loss

Five agents from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) are involved in a major search for a missing American in Curaçao. The 49-year-old James Edward Hogan works at the consulate on Thursday and since September 24 trace.

Friday was a diplomat of the jeans found near Caracas Bay, on the east side of the island. Since that discovery in and around the bay extended sought by both local authorities and the FBI agents.

The police reports that are currently examined all possibilities, including a crime, kidnapping and a "private matter". The U.S. consulate in Curacao was Friday declared the disappearance of the man, who the evening ended on a walk home.

The case has priority directly from the police. The Minister of Justice, Magali Jacoba, can be carefully informed of the developments.

(Reuters)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:48:23 AM
http://www.24ora.an/content/view/7637/5/

Papiamentu translation:

búskeda of j.e. hogan

saturday, 26 september 2009 - 22:57

owing to base of indikashonnan provided that connection with the disappearance of the fellow james edward hogan, below ; command of various disiplina owing to as one búskeda acute in area of caracasbaai. the búskeda is continue. klik read more for more information... tep: all tep with have on the affair here is stay welcome. is súplika all suidadano with is believe with they have one want another information on the affair here with can help in the búskeda, for take contact with police at 911 or on the cord anonymous 108 (e number here is give all garantia of anonimidat). come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:54:13 AM
http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8146:huge-man-hunt-for-american-vice-council-hogan-launched-on-curacao&catid=31:general&Itemid=76

(http://sxmislandtime.com/images/stories/00009129_105.jpg)

(http://sxmislandtime.com/images/stories/willemstad.jpg)

Huge man hunt for American Vice Consul Hogan launched on Curacao      

Written by Staff Reporter      

Monday, 28 September 2009 01:40

www.sxmislandtime.com

PHILIPSBURG/Willemstad - The American Vice Consul of the Consulate General in Curacao, 49 year old James Hogan, disappeared on Thursday evening after he attended a reception at the American Consul.

A huge man hunt has been launched for the American Diplomat including the Curacao Police Department, Dutch Coastguard, US Navy helicopter crew, and CITRO (Curacao Citizen Rescue Organization).

According to our reports, after he reached home he told his wife that he was going for a walk.

He went for a walk in the Caracas Baai Area, but never returned.

www.sxmislandtime.com have also learnt that up until Sunday, clothing similar to that which hogan was wearing at the time of his disappearance has been found.

Our sources also states that blood was also found and that it is currently being analyzed.

The sudden disappearance of Hogan is of grave concern for the Antillian authorities who are also said to be working with all instances to locate the American Diplomat.

We have also learnt that the wife of Hogan is also being looked at currently as a "person of interest", as reportedly their relationship has not been the best and that there was an escalation of their problems on that evening.

James Hogas who is a Caucasian 1.84 meters tall, was said to be wearing a jeans along with a blue polo shirt at the time of his disappearance.

More via Podcast from Paul Solian of Z86 radio in Curacao.


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Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 01:58:03 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/us-vice-consul-disappears-cura%C3%A7ao

US Vice Consul disappears in Curaçao

Published on28 September 2009 - 12:38pm
Filed under: Curaçao FBI James Hogan Magali Jacoba Netherlands Antilles United States of America

Five FBI agents have arrived on the Caribbean island of Curaçao, one of the Netherlands Antilles, to join the search for the US Vice Consul James Hogan who went missing on Thursday evening.


The manhunt is being carried out by a 150-strong team including the Curaçao police, the Dutch coastguard, US Marines, a US Navy helicopter crew and the Curaçao Citizen Rescue Organisation.
 
The 49-year-old diplomat apparently told his wife he was going for a walk but never returned. On Friday his jeans were found in a remote spot near Caracas Bay on the east coast of the island and the US Consulate officially reported him as missing.
 
Police say they are investigating all possible scenarios including violence, kidnapping and domestic issues. They describe the case as their top priority and Curaçao's Justice Minister Magali Jacoba is being kept informed of every development.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 02:14:21 AM
Couple more links, map at second link.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33027457/

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-334652


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/ScreenShot003a.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on September 29, 2009, 07:53:00 AM
Wanted to stop by and say goodmorning.

TM thanks for all the articles.

Have a great day everyone.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 29, 2009, 09:48:24 AM
Vacation Timeshares Drop at Record Pace as Americans Cut Back

By Nadja Brandt

Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. vacation timeshare sales may fall the most this year since the industry gained popularity in the 1970s as consumers forego spending to ride out the recession.

Sales may drop 30 percent this year from 2008, said Howard Nusbaum, president and chief executive officer of the American Resort Development Association, a Washington-based trade group. The market “will be a challenge for at least the next 18 months,” Patrick Scholes, senior equity research analyst at FBR Capital Markets & Co. said this month.

“Timeshares are just very, very discretionary items,” said Chris Woronka, an analyst at Deutsche Bank Securities in New York. “It’s the perpetual vacation. I am prepaying for the ability to take a vacation every year. Under the current circumstances, people are more reluctant to pay for that.”

U.S. timeshare sales dropped 8.5 percent last year to $9.7 billion from a peak of $10.6 billion in 2007, excluding the luxury fractional business and private residence clubs, according to an Ernst & Young LLP study prepared for ARDA. The decline was the industry’s first since 1975 and is being driven by tighter credit, a higher personal savings rate and the loss of 6.9 million jobs since the recession started in December 2007.

Marriott’s Charge

Marriott International Inc., the largest U.S. hotel chain, said last week it will take a third-quarter pretax charge of $760 million in its timeshare business. The company will cut prices, halt development at some residential resorts and at some luxury fractional ownership properties, and sell some undeveloped land.

“We have enough inventory to last a few years,” Laura Paugh, senior vice president of investor relations at Marriott, said in a telephone interview. “Prices are not likely to turn around in the near term. Given the development risk, we plan to complete the inventory we have under way, but not develop any more.”

Wyndham Worldwide Corp., the largest seller of timeshare vacation units, in December said it would cut 40 percent of those sales in 2009.

Timeshares give owners the right to use a property for a set period of time each year, typically a week. Fractional ownership plans usually offer longer stays at a property and tend to include more services and amenities, according to ARDA.

For hotel companies, the businesses can build customer loyalty, Marriott’s Paugh said.

‘Buy the Hotel’

Timeshares first emerged in the 1960s, according to Group RCI, Wyndham’s vacation rental and timeshare unit. According to RCI’s Web site, a hotelier in the French Alps marketed the world’s first timeshare development with the slogan, “No need to rent the room, buy the hotel -- it’s cheaper!” The concept moved to the U.S. in the 1970s, initially in Florida, the state with the most timeshare resorts, according to RCI.

“The main obstacle for the industry is that there will be a semi-permanent reduction in demand because developers would sell to people with relatively low credit scores,” said Deutsche Bank’s Woronka. “That won’t be possible anymore. Your pool of buyers will be much smaller from now on.”

Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc., the third-largest U.S. lodging company, may also have to “recognize significant timeshare impairments” since it has more high-end timeshares than Marriott, David Loeb, an analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co., said in a note this month.

Demand Drops

Starwood’s fourth-quarter timeshare sales fell 48 percent, the company said in January. It closed nine sales centers and cut 900 employees from the division since the start of 2008.

K.C. Kavanagh, a Starwood spokesman, declined to comment.

“Our sense is that the timeshare industry is less optimistic about any near-term recovery than is the hotel industry, as the timeshare industry’s hands are tied by the availability -- or lack -- of financing,” Scholes said in a note this month.

On Sellatimeshare.com, a one-bedroom, one-week timeshare at the Marriott Aruba Surf Club is being offered for $25,900.

The Web site includes the testimonial of a client who sold her unit at the Renaissance Aruba Beach Resort and Casino for $5,000.


On Timeshareadventures.com, a two bedroom, two-bath one- week timeshare at Marriott’s Canyon Villas at Desert Ridge in Arizona was for sale for $25,000. The annual maintenance fees and taxes are $900. The property includes a golf course, tennis courts and spa.

Plenty of Ads

A one-week, every-other-year unit at Marriott’s Ko Olina Beach Club timeshare resort in Oahu, Hawaii, is advertised for $15,999. The annual maintenance and taxes on the two bedroom, two bath are $728.

Mark Massarelli, who runs Dynasty Limousine in Boston, has been trying to sell one of two timeshares in Hollywood, Florida, that he and his sister inherited from their mother. He has been advertising a one-bedroom, one-bath unit on Craigslist.org for six months. It’s at a full-service oceanfront property with access to an 18-hole golf course.

Massarelli, 46, hasn’t received any inquiries even after cutting the price twice.

“I am offering it at $3,995 but its value right now is probably around $8,000,” Massarelli said in a telephone interview. “I tried to sell it a couple of times for a higher price but nobody bit. The maintenance and taxes on the unit are getting expensive. So I cut the price to attract more buyers, but nothing so far.”

Hotel Deals

The average sales price for timeshares in the U.S. climbed to $20,152 in 2008 from $15,790 in 2004. Occupancy remained little changed from 2005 to 2008 at about 82 percent, according to Ernst & Young. Average maintenance fees increased to $646 from $471 from 2005 through 2008.

“This year in particular, timeshare sales are down because hotel deals have been so good,” said Woronka. “Owners may think ‘I could have stayed at a luxury hotel for $150 a night and I am paying much more for this timeshare.’”

The luxury timeshare segment, where units can sell from $100,000 to more than $1 million, also is being hit, according FBR’s Scholes.

Demand for such rooms “was soft in 2008 and weakened further in 2009,” Arne Sorenson, Marriott’s president and chief operating officer, said on Sept. 23.

“I don’t think timeshares are out of style,” said Marriott’s Paugh. “Customers really do like it. But the returns we currently receive on our investment are disappointing. For us it’s probably not the place we want to put our money.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Nadja Brandt in Los Angeles at nbrandt@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: September 29, 2009 00:01 EDT

 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601206&sid=axqN.SR9bsRs#


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 29, 2009, 09:52:52 AM
  GOL Announces Scheduled Flights to Aruba
Press Release
Source: GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes S.A.
On Monday September 28, 2009, 9:20 am EDT

SAO PAULO, Sept. 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes S.A. (NYSE: GOL; Bovespa: GOLL4), the largest low-cost and low-fare airline in Latin America, announces that it has received permission from the Brazilian National Civil Aviation Agency (ANAC) and other relevant authorities to operate scheduled flights between Brazil, Venezuela and the island of Aruba, in the Caribbean. The Company began selling tickets today for the new route, its tenth international destination; flights will begin October 4.

Initially, flights will be operated weekly (on Sunday), departing from Guarulhos International Airport, in Sao Paulo, at 11:00 AM (local time), and arriving in Caracas, Venezuela, at 3:30 PM (local time). From Venezuela, the aircraft will resume flight to Aruba at 4:10 PM (local time), landing at 5:55 PM (local time). Returning to Brazil, the aircraft will leave Aruba at 9:20 PM (local time), arriving in Caracas at 10:05 PM (local time), and departing for Sao Paulo at 10:45 PM (local time).

Using Boeing 737-800 Next Generation aircraft, the new route will be operated by the VARIG brand and will offer Comfort Class premium service, which provides more leg room, additional meal choices and on-demand entertainment during the flight, as well as increased privacy, 150% SMILES Miles bonus, access to exclusive check-in desks and priority boarding and debarkment.

In addition to meeting the demand between Brazil and Aruba, the Company will also sell tickets from Caracas to the new destination.

Tickets for Aruba can be purchased on GOL's website (www.voegol.com.br), by contacting Customer Service or through travel agents. The tables below contain additional information about the new route.
    Departure:
         Flight     Departure*      Origin         Destination     Arrival*
        G3 7622      11:00 AM      Sao Paulo
                                  (Guarulhos)        Caracas        3:30 PM
                      4:10 PM       Caracas           Aruba         5:55 PM
    Return:
         Flight     Departure*      Origin         Destination     Arrival*
        G3 7623       9:20 PM        Aruba           Caracas       10:05 PM
                     10:45 PM       Caracas         Sao Paulo
                                                (Guarulhos)      6:00 AM
                    * Local time.
About GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes S.A.

GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes S.A. (NYSE: GOL and Bovespa: GOLL4), the largest low-cost and low-fare airline in Latin America, offers around 800 daily flights to 49 destinations that connect all the important cities in Brazil and nine major destinations in South America. The Company operates a young, modern fleet of Boeing 737 Next Generation aircraft, the safest and most comfortable of its class, with high aircraft utilization and efficiency levels. The Company's service is recognized as the best value proposition in the market.

This release contains forward-looking statements relating to the prospects of the business, estimates for operating and financial results, and those related to growth prospects of GOL. These are merely projections and, as such, are based exclusively on the expectations of GOL's management concerning the future of the business and its continued access to capital to fund the Company's business plan. Such forward-looking statements depend, substantially, on changes in market conditions and risks disclosed in GOL's filed disclosure documents are, therefore, subject to change without prior notice.


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    Rodrigo Alves - Head of IR
    Phone.: +55 (11) 2128-4700
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    Website: www.voegol.com.br/ir
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 29, 2009, 12:29:34 PM
8 GuestsTo our guests reading..While you're down there you might want too jump over to Aruba and see what's going on in terms of the Natalee Holloway case! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 02:09:57 PM
Kermit ... where are ya!  I hope all is well.

Hey ... my DIL and I have come to a roadblock in our almost completed work regarding various aspects of the Persistence betrayal.  We could sure use your background knowledge and archives to clear up some confusion.

Ribbit.

Janet


Be happy to help in anyway I can.


Thanks again Kermit.

1.  Is there any credible backup that ... in the course of the investigation ... Aruban LE were overseeing the Nicaragua lead ... the Nicaragua lead that implied the location of Natalee Holloway's body was known?

Kermit ... the following article implies that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were on a private mission ... a private mission that provided no protection ... a private mission that was taking the focus off the cage/trap that may have contained the remains of Natalee ... remains that that were afforded unchallenged to the Arubans by the Persistence Project Lead ... John Silvetti.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours.  I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat.

Kyle Kingman:  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica (Nicaragua).


THe Search for Natalee Holloway - February 22, 2008

To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI. For the Holloways, though, another wild ride began.

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

.... In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-334652

Posted by: CuracaoNews // Sep 27, 2009 // viewed 758 times // shared 12 times
Willemstad, Netherlands Antilles // embed media

On Friday September 25th a 150 person search team consisting of Curacao Police Department, Dutch Coastguard, US Navy helicopter crew, and CITRO (Curacao Citizen Rescue Organization) searched for a missing person: James Hogan who's the Vice Consul of the United States Consulate General Curacao.
 
According to report in the local newspapers a domestic dispute caused Hogan to leave his home on Thursday afternoon on September 24th. The next day his clothing and shoes were found in a remote wilderness spot near Caracas Bay and Hogan was nowhere in sight. Immediately the local authorities were notified and a search was started. The Dutch coastguard searched on sea, the local police department searched by land, a US Navy helicopter search by air, and the CITRO assisted by exploring the coastal areas and mangrove forests. A scubateam explored the reefs and underwater grottos at Caracas Bay in Curacao.
 
On Saturday and Sunday the search continued with the help of US Marines that are stationed in Curacao.
 
James Hogas was last seen wearing jeans and a blue polo shirt. Hogan is a 1.84 meters tall caucasion, slightly overweight, with straight red hair, and blue green eyes.
 
At 6 pm on Sunday September 27 I inquired at the local police department with little positive news, so that thus far the whereabouts of US Vice Consul James Hogan is still uncertain.


Tags: hogan, in, james, on, united, missing, consul, vice, states, curacao
In response to assignment: Breaking news

COMMENTS:


    Kashira // 19 hours ago   
Report violation
This is what's so wrong with the media in this country!
I'm a family friend, and you have got the story all wrong.
You can't just post the first piece of news you find just because you want to be the first to supposedly give the inside scoop!
You only make things worse by making assumptions and posting up bullshit.
the family is going through enough without having amateur uninformed writers making things worse.
pray for the family, or at least hope and wish that everything works out. that's what we're all doing.

__________________________________________________________

   ArmyNavygirl // Sep 28, 2009   
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WIparent,
  Did you NOT read the previous comment. His family is reading this. Your irresponsibility is appalling. I'm one of his friends. You don't even know him at all and I can tell you he would never do anything like that intentionally...go back to watching your soap operas.

____________________________________________

    thinkagain13 // Sep 27, 2009   
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First of all, you need to get your story straight before you post it.  I am the oldest daughter of James Hogan.  There was no domestic dispute.  My Dad and my mom have been married for 24 years and he has never once taken off after a fight.  The lead the police have down there right now is that a woman who was fired from the office where my Dad works has criminal connections.  Second of all, my mom hasn't heard ANYTHING about his clothes being found, or anything that might indicate anything positive.  The local police insist she had something to do with his disappearance, and refuse to investigate the woman who was fired further.  My family is going through enough without you printing bs stories!

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    WIparent // Sep 27, 2009   
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After a domestic dispute, sounds like he decided to disappear forever in the sea, to me. Left his clothes as a message he had done it.

__________________________________________________


Sound familiar?    ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 29, 2009, 02:33:52 PM
I pray that Mr.Hogan is found safe.Although i don't look for the Holloway case to be put in the media under these circumstances,i do hope that the MAJOR TV stations,as well as the 24 news networks take hold of this story and put Aruba,Curacao,The Antilles and The Netherlands right back under the microscope!God Bless the Hogan family!We pray for the safe return of Mr. Hogan..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 02:40:39 PM
I pray that Mr.Hogan is found safe.Although i don't look for the Holloway case to be put in the media under these circumstances,i do hope that the MAJOR TV stations,as well as the 24 news networks take hold of this story and put Aruba,Curacao,The Antilles and The Netherlands right back under the microscope!God Bless the Hogan family!We pray for the safe return of Mr. Hogan..... ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree KTF.  I started a new thread for him in the Missing Persons forum, and copied the posts from here to there.  I will post any further information there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 29, 2009, 03:04:05 PM
I pray that Mr.Hogan is found safe.Although i don't look for the Holloway case to be put in the media under these circumstances,i do hope that the MAJOR TV stations,as well as the 24 news networks take hold of this story and put Aruba,Curacao,The Antilles and The Netherlands right back under the microscope!God Bless the Hogan family!We pray for the safe return of Mr. Hogan..... ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree KTF.  I started a new thread for him in the Missing Persons forum, and copied the posts from here to there.  I will post any further information there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.new#new

Thank you, TM....good move.   

From the comments, it seems that Hogan's family has added distress besides his disappearance.  Hoping the outcome is favorable, to say the least.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 03:27:04 PM
Kermit ... where are ya!  I hope all is well.

Hey ... my DIL and I have come to a roadblock in our almost completed work regarding various aspects of the Persistence betrayal.  We could sure use your background knowledge and archives to clear up some confusion.

Ribbit.

Janet


Be happy to help in anyway I can.


Thanks again Kermit.

1.  Is there any credible backup that ... in the course of the investigation ... Aruban LE were overseeing the Nicaragua lead ... the Nicaragua lead that implied the location of Natalee Holloway's body was known?

Kermit ... the following article implies that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway were on a private mission ... a private mission that provided no protection ... a private mission that was taking the focus off the cage/trap that may have contained the remains of Natalee ... remains that that were afforded unchallenged to the Arubans by the Persistence Project Lead ... John Silvetti.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours.  I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat.

Kyle Kingman:  Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica (Nicaragua).


THe Search for Natalee Holloway - February 22, 2008

To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI. For the Holloways, though, another wild ride began.

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

.... In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Kermit

Considering Dave Holloway was the one who received the false lead ... could his long time friend Mark Purcell who possesses an Aruban agenda or those he had connections within the ATA/AHATA ... were behind the deception ... a deception that took Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's focus off the Persistence discovery ... a deception that was meant to convince these two men that the contents of the trap were not case related ... especially Tim Miller who was convinced 99% that the ROV images revealed Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 29, 2009, 05:21:40 PM
Kermit

Considering Dave Holloway was the one who received the false lead ... could his long time friend Mark Purcell who possesses an Aruban agenda or those he had connections within the ATA/AHATA ... were behind the deception ... a deception that took Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's focus off the Persistence discovery ... a deception that was meant to convince these two men that the contents of the trap were not case related ... especially Tim Miller who was convinced 99% that the ROV images revealed Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet
 
[/quote]

Mark Purcell was on Bushy-haired stranger site and he came over to natalee.net site after the
'Lions Den' information was posted to debunk it. He posted that he sat acrss the street and
had 5 beers and danced with a woman and there was no truth to it. The Lions Den was assembled by SM members bestbuddy (Claussen's) and Kathy Drenga who went to Aruba.
If you recall that VIP restaurant was the place that Caps said was near the Pond where Dave would find Natalee's remains.

Rxxxxx Vxxxxxx/Capslockwizard emailed Dave Holloway to get him to search the pond in Aruba.
Capslockwizard signs up at SM on the day the ROV unit is diving on the cage/trap.

Dave Holloway emailed Caps at the insistence of lalasmom who emailed Dave Holloway.
Dave Holloway told Caps he had a contact in Aruba that he would like him to get involved with.

John Silvetti got involved with Caps and went to meet him.
Caps confirms that when he posted about it.

CAPS : Monday, March 3, 2008 8:05:29 PM
Subject: FW: The meeting will be schedule at 2:00 pm - my house






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 29, 2009, 05:27:43 PM
From: Caps Lock [mailto:capslock MY EDIT]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:15 AM
To: John Silvetti
Subject: Question?
 
Hi John, hope everything is well,
 
Long time not hearing anything about the Ocean Explorer. but last night I went to the SM forum, where I found someone called KERMIT, who is stateing 3 of the crew member are traitors..
 
I was in shock to see that your name is one on the names mention.
 
Other thing that was mention was that your company where not searching for Natalee, but where doing a survay for Oil exploration on the bottom of the ocean around Aruba.
 
I Just want you to know that it seems to be that this Kermit has some info that show that your company are dealing in corruption.
 
There is a photo circulating that show a man in a red T-shirt on the boat and they are claming that that is an FBI agent.
 
They are also saying that the Skul was Human skull., I did asked you and you told me that there was noting in=2 0the cage.
 
I know there was an incident with Tim , but the detail I do not remember....
 
Please John, I hope it is not so..please let me know....I just wanted to defent you, since they are saying that CAPS is related to the OE and Silvetty corrption
 
Hope to hear from you,
 
CAPS...




To: capslock MY EDIT
Subject: RE: Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:18 -0600


Caps,
 
Hello my friend. It has been a long time.  I do not know what the Ocean Explorer is.  If it is a vessel, it is certainly not mine. I do not know who Kermit is and I can tell you that since the crew members are employees of mine, mostly, except for the contractors who signed non-disclosure statements and other 3rd Party company personnel, it does not make sense.
 
0A
There were stories which were addressed in an interview with Ein Vandaag regarding our boat searching for oil before the vessel ever left the U.S.  I have not addressed any of these bullshit artists as I do not feel that the effort which was put forth by so many of us regarding the search and all that continues to take place in support of finding  Natalee’s remains are worth addressing.  The problem is that these people have nothing else to do but stir the pot.  They really need to get a life and put their efforts towards helping in the search.
 
I would like to see this photo of a man in a red shirt on the boat.  I have not seen it.  Could you please forward it to me.  I am sorry to hear that you and our group is being dragged in the mud by these people. I was told of this last week, but, have chosen not to respond to people like this.  We know what we did and what we are doing.  That is good enough for me and the Holloway family.  As for that supposed skull in the cage, that is all bull and quite frankly, I believe you r initial story of what that cage was being used for is probably correct.
 
Someday, hopefully, we will find her and all this garbage will be put to rest.  By the way, have you spoken with our friend?  I have sent him several emails with no response.  Please ask him to call me.
 
Best Regards,
John








xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
FIRST: look at the dates. We have Silvetti telling Caps email dated Nov 24, 2008 asking about him searching for OIL, right???

BUT I do not post that information unil Feb 17, 2009

HOWEVER, THE EMAIL THAT YAPPERS REC'D FROM LALASMOM WAS DATED NOV. 22, 2008 - TWO DAYS AFTER LALASMOM/YAPPERZ HAD EMAIL JUG AND HE TOLD THEM SCHAEFER SAID THEY WERE MAPPING FOR OIL!

SO HOW COULD CAPS TELL JOHN SILVETTI IN AN EMAIL THAT IT WAS I WHO POSTED THAT JOHN WAS SEARCHING FOR OIL, WHEN IN FACT, IT WAS LALASMOM THAT EMAILED JUG AND JUG TOLD HER!!!!!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 29, 2009, 05:47:17 PM
On September 17, 2007 Mark Purcell emailed Capslockwizard to come to Freebirds blog.
On October 16, 2007 Kawish emails Caps to come to our blog.


* Kawish came to this thread dated Nov 13, 2007 on July 27, 2008

San posted photos of Joran that ******* had posted

dennisintn
SuzieQ
Anna
Rob
msmarple
JusticeforNatalee
Nut44x4
Tamikosmom posted about Karam Misier - A man contacted Dave & asked him to meet at the VIP Club (Owned by the Misier's)
Peaches
MumInOhio
Pita - Wasn't poster KBM..Kawish...his nephew?


Brie
Someone was asking about who owns the rental cars we have read about. Kawish Misier is friends with Deepak, Satish along with Joran, Kawish’s father owns numerous properties on the island and numerous car rental agencies. Kawish would have access to these vehicles.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.220

* He did a search for June 20, 2008 24ora.com
That is the date of the dead body found floating in the ocean

* THEN HE WENT TO THE FRONT PAGE OF SM
#  Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am
I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.



CAPS CAME BACK TO OUR BLOG: Nov 26 2007 search word Joran wiretapping

 Kawish Miser
Sero Blanco

Lorenzo Webb
Geerman Gerardo
Siribana 6
585-3063
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=geerman&page=7

Webb Lorenzo D       
Shiribana 6
588-9902
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=Webb&page=2
CAPS is Name: Rxxxxx H. Vxxxxx
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Phone: 297-746-7000


Friends of the IFA = Mark Purcell (posted he lives 1/2 mile from van der Sloots house)
Friends of the IFA = Paulus said were helping them (in his statement)
Friends of the IFA = Marlene Purcell who helped set up IFA and served as V.P. Also
the Account for IFA is CMB bank! Where Arlene Ellis-Schippers is a board member.

Mark Purcell is a member of the codetalkers website (to discuss Shango) that originally was set up by a group of SM members/Gagirl was the moderator along with Tuesday. They left that site and went to BNH site where Robin Holloway and Reality run the show.
Anita is also a member there and she comes to SM and checks things out from time to time.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63113.php

Google translation:

Eman appointed formateur new government

September 29, 2009, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)

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Party leader Mike Eman of ASF was received yesterday by Governor Fredis Refunjol call for a consultation.

ORANGE CITY - Mike Eman (AVP) was yesterday formally appointed formateur of the new government. He spoke yesterday with Governor Fredis Refunjol. Topic of conversation include the Government Office that Eman back into service as a government office would take.

Eman According to certain adjustments quickly realize that the new government can meet there. It is part of the new policy ASF to government buildings as much as possible to renovate and re-use. "It is part of the change for which many people are excited, as seen in the parade (the victory parade last Sunday, ed)."

The consultation talks with the governor and consultative political leaders are progressing well, says the Office of the Governor. Expected the talks concluded today. The governor also spoke yesterday with States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP) and Evelyn Wever-Croes who represents the MEP. There were also discussions with President and Secretary Helen Swaen Andries van der Wal of the Advisory Council. Today, following a conversation with PDR leader and chairman Henk Bikker Andin Bees and Ben Marapin Secretary of the Social Economic Council (SER)

Through the consultation allows calls to advise the governor on the formation of a new Cabinet. The talks mark the start of the formation process to establish a new government of Aruba. The next step in this process is that the governor the information from the consultation meetings take under consideration. The Cabinet Oduber submitted his resignation yesterday with the aim that each November has a new government take office.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63039.php


Increase illegal drug flights’

26 Sep, 2009, 09:29 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — The coastguard observes an increase of the drug smuggling from Venezuela to the Dominican Republic and the Republic of Haiti via illegal drug flights, amongst others through the airspace above the territory of the Netherlands Antilles, and Aruba.

The aforementioned was stated in the Long Term Planning (LTP) 2009-2018. In addition, an increased use of the coastal zones within the territorial waters as drug routes is observed and the combination of drug smuggling and illegal immigration.

The maritime drug combating therefore remains an important area for attention during the coming years for the coastguard in the direct surroundings of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba as well as in a wider ranged area.

There is a noticeable shift in the quantity of drugs per transport and in the method of transport. However, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba remain vulnerable with abatement for the affects of the drug smuggling in the Caribbean region in part due to their geographical position. The estimated production of cocaine is (reasonably) stable. The demand in the United States is reasonably steady. The demand for drugs in Europe has increased. In this, Europe remains an attractive market for drug smugglers and the maritime route via the Caribbean region therefore remains a potential transit option.

Due to the good connections to the United States and Europe, the Antilles and Aruba remain a popular destination for illegal immigrants. The main reasons for these illegal persons, is the search for a better future. This could involve criminality. The number of illegal persons in the Netherlands Antilles amounts to roughly 48,300 according to the United Nations.

The illegal immigration often has an interface with criminal activities. On the one hand, because illegal persons are comparatively more often involved with criminality, and on the other hand, because the illegal immigration could be linked to human smuggling and human trade.

It is conceivable that because of the further increasing welfare development in the Antilles and on Aruba, and because of the political changes (and the attendant social improvements) an increased attraction could arise for Saba, St. Eustatius, and Bonaire in particular, according to the LTP 2009-2018.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63111.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Oduber: "Whoever promises, which should make"

September 29, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) sounded relaxed, but did not waver in his first press conference after the defeat of his party in recent elections. The Cabinet Oduber-IV, all preparations for abolition of the PDO, so the new government can draw and implement it directly.

"Tomorrow when the cabinet do I buy BBO off. I come with a bill for the procedure to start by November 1 so that the PDO is abolished. Because that is the promise that was made during the campaign. I have lost the elections because of the BBO and so do I buy it off. We have paid the price. "

Also, the Prime Minister in the state by 50 percent and raise the minimum wage up jacks. All measures AVP in its manifesto had promised. "Because I have not done these things during my government the people voted against me and my party last Friday." Oduber said to want to see how AVP in parliament to vote when their promised actions are effectively treated.

The contacts with the Netherlands allows Oduber to his successor. "I've Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) to know that I'm finished with them. They have part in this election. "The difficult negotiations with the hotel chain Ritz-Carlton and Fairmont Oduber leave behind. He challenges Mike Eman from the refinery by November 1st to get reopened. AVP was reportedly in negotiations with the Mexican oil company Pemex.

Recount
Oduber wants a recount of the votes, since only six votes short MEP would have been her ninth seat to achieve. He wants to investigate whether there actually disabled that they hold a voting card had been refused at the polling station. Also, the pencils used for unnecessary red spots on the ballot papers have provided. "If below shows that we indeed have lost clean, then we will respect the result." Oduber opposition promises to introduce "as never seen before."

He said to make government understand the AVP campaign promises and the protocol for the first 100 days that Mike Eman radio maker leoncita Arends has made honor. "We have a consignment stickers go with the text" Cumpli awor '(make it true, red) and a lot of exclamation marks. "Oduber addition to specifically ensure that ASF is not political appointments. "We were repeatedly criticized for Friends and Family helped us. Now we see what they do. "

Penalties
Nelson Oduber sounded during his speech that just under one hours often lasted flawless: "It is like sports. There is one days on which you must lose. "However this time the prime minister also congratulated the winning party does not. "I congratulate the Aruban people, irrespective of incidents that belong Once it went well." He pointed out that "very difficult" for third consecutive time to win an election. "You will face a lot of people who feel disadvantaged by a decision and your government is to punish. One third of the votes for the opponent was designed to punish us. "

The prime minister did not comment on whether anything will change in MEP following the defeat. "That we discuss this week in the party." He said shortly to go decide what his role will be within the party and of whether or not the opposition will take place. "After so many years I finally have mental peace. Give me, not that I beg, give me the chance not to be there and to get another title. I want to go among people, occasionally can swim and not be lived. I do not necessarily sit in parliament. I mouthpieces and my influence and wants to be everywhere. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 06:48:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63101.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Political threats to Facebook

September 29, 2009, 13:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An altercation at the online social network Facebook turned out to physical threats. Last Sunday night called the 22-year G.A.C. Paradera from the police after a conversation on Facebook with one SC, one of which different political leanings than he got out of hand. After an observation G.A.C. touched S.C. so burned that they threatened to come. A little later S.C. even long drive with two passengers in a red car. They had to know when to come back with members of the gang of Dakota. Later G.A.C. its the message that they would burn his house stabbing. Agents gave him the advice to report it to the police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 29, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeLiz_hollowayfamilygall-550x4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 07:57:04 PM

<snipped>

#  Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am
I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.

<snipped?


Debbie (BFN) implied the same on this forum almost one year later.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 07:58:24 PM
Thank you Kermit.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I have been preoccupied this afternoon and ... I am wiped.  I will attempt to digest all your info tomorrow.

I still require insight on a couple more issues have a direct relationship to the betrayal of John Silvetti.  However ... I will take it one step at a time.

Ribbit

Janet
4:55 PM PT




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 29, 2009, 10:03:19 PM
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-334652

Posted by: CuracaoNews // Sep 27, 2009 // viewed 758 times // shared 12 times
Willemstad, Netherlands Antilles // embed media

On Friday September 25th a 150 person search team consisting of Curacao Police Department, Dutch Coastguard, US Navy helicopter crew, and CITRO (Curacao Citizen Rescue Organization) searched for a missing person: James Hogan who's the Vice Consul of the United States Consulate General Curacao.
 
According to report in the local newspapers a domestic dispute caused Hogan to leave his home on Thursday afternoon on September 24th. The next day his clothing and shoes were found in a remote wilderness spot near Caracas Bay and Hogan was nowhere in sight. Immediately the local authorities were notified and a search was started. The Dutch coastguard searched on sea, the local police department searched by land, a US Navy helicopter search by air, and the CITRO assisted by exploring the coastal areas and mangrove forests. A scubateam explored the reefs and underwater grottos at Caracas Bay in Curacao.
 
On Saturday and Sunday the search continued with the help of US Marines that are stationed in Curacao.
 
James Hogas was last seen wearing jeans and a blue polo shirt. Hogan is a 1.84 meters tall caucasion, slightly overweight, with straight red hair, and blue green eyes.
 
At 6 pm on Sunday September 27 I inquired at the local police department with little positive news, so that thus far the whereabouts of US Vice Consul James Hogan is still uncertain.


Tags: hogan, in, james, on, united, missing, consul, vice, states, curacao
In response to assignment: Breaking news

COMMENTS:


    Kashira // 19 hours ago   
Report violation
This is what's so wrong with the media in this country!
I'm a family friend, and you have got the story all wrong.
You can't just post the first piece of news you find just because you want to be the first to supposedly give the inside scoop!
You only make things worse by making assumptions and posting up bullshit.
the family is going through enough without having amateur uninformed writers making things worse.
pray for the family, or at least hope and wish that everything works out. that's what we're all doing.

__________________________________________________________

   ArmyNavygirl // Sep 28, 2009   
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WIparent,
  Did you NOT read the previous comment. His family is reading this. Your irresponsibility is appalling. I'm one of his friends. You don't even know him at all and I can tell you he would never do anything like that intentionally...go back to watching your soap operas.

____________________________________________

    thinkagain13 // Sep 27, 2009   
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First of all, you need to get your story straight before you post it.  I am the oldest daughter of James Hogan.  There was no domestic dispute.  My Dad and my mom have been married for 24 years and he has never once taken off after a fight.  The lead the police have down there right now is that a woman who was fired from the office where my Dad works has criminal connections.  Second of all, my mom hasn't heard ANYTHING about his clothes being found, or anything that might indicate anything positive.  The local police insist she had something to do with his disappearance, and refuse to investigate the woman who was fired further.  My family is going through enough without you printing bs stories!

__________________________________________________
    WIparent // Sep 27, 2009   
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After a domestic dispute, sounds like he decided to disappear forever in the sea, to me. Left his clothes as a message he had done it.

__________________________________________________


Sound familiar?    ::MonkeyNoNo::



Here we go again.  Oh so familiar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 29, 2009, 11:37:54 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to all who have kept them glowing.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 12:36:28 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to all who have kept them glowing.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 12:37:42 AM
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-334652

Posted by: CuracaoNews // Sep 27, 2009 // viewed 758 times // shared 12 times
Willemstad, Netherlands Antilles // embed media

On Friday September 25th a 150 person search team consisting of Curacao Police Department, Dutch Coastguard, US Navy helicopter crew, and CITRO (Curacao Citizen Rescue Organization) searched for a missing person: James Hogan who's the Vice Consul of the United States Consulate General Curacao.
 
According to report in the local newspapers a domestic dispute caused Hogan to leave his home on Thursday afternoon on September 24th. The next day his clothing and shoes were found in a remote wilderness spot near Caracas Bay and Hogan was nowhere in sight. Immediately the local authorities were notified and a search was started. The Dutch coastguard searched on sea, the local police department searched by land, a US Navy helicopter search by air, and the CITRO assisted by exploring the coastal areas and mangrove forests. A scubateam explored the reefs and underwater grottos at Caracas Bay in Curacao.
 
On Saturday and Sunday the search continued with the help of US Marines that are stationed in Curacao.
 
James Hogas was last seen wearing jeans and a blue polo shirt. Hogan is a 1.84 meters tall caucasion, slightly overweight, with straight red hair, and blue green eyes.
 
At 6 pm on Sunday September 27 I inquired at the local police department with little positive news, so that thus far the whereabouts of US Vice Consul James Hogan is still uncertain.


Tags: hogan, in, james, on, united, missing, consul, vice, states, curacao
In response to assignment: Breaking news

COMMENTS:


    Kashira // 19 hours ago   
Report violation
This is what's so wrong with the media in this country!
I'm a family friend, and you have got the story all wrong.
You can't just post the first piece of news you find just because you want to be the first to supposedly give the inside scoop!
You only make things worse by making assumptions and posting up bullshit.
the family is going through enough without having amateur uninformed writers making things worse.
pray for the family, or at least hope and wish that everything works out. that's what we're all doing.

__________________________________________________________

   ArmyNavygirl // Sep 28, 2009   
Report violation
WIparent,
  Did you NOT read the previous comment. His family is reading this. Your irresponsibility is appalling. I'm one of his friends. You don't even know him at all and I can tell you he would never do anything like that intentionally...go back to watching your soap operas.

____________________________________________

    thinkagain13 // Sep 27, 2009   
Report violation
First of all, you need to get your story straight before you post it.  I am the oldest daughter of James Hogan.  There was no domestic dispute.  My Dad and my mom have been married for 24 years and he has never once taken off after a fight.  The lead the police have down there right now is that a woman who was fired from the office where my Dad works has criminal connections.  Second of all, my mom hasn't heard ANYTHING about his clothes being found, or anything that might indicate anything positive.  The local police insist she had something to do with his disappearance, and refuse to investigate the woman who was fired further.  My family is going through enough without you printing bs stories!

__________________________________________________
    WIparent // Sep 27, 2009   
Report violation
After a domestic dispute, sounds like he decided to disappear forever in the sea, to me. Left his clothes as a message he had done it.

__________________________________________________


Sound familiar?    ::MonkeyNoNo::



Here we go again.  Oh so familiar.

Yep!   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 12:53:38 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://news.caribseek.com/&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=

Google translation:

Conference by the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force in Curacao

By Komunikado di Prensa

Posted: Oct Sep 30, 2009 01:50 UTC


PHILIPSBURG - From October 26 to 30 inclusive, approximately 150 participants will hold meetings in Curacao during the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force (CFATF) XXX Plenary XVI Conference and Council.

The purpose of the CFATF, an organization consisting of 30 countries in the Caribbean, is to combat money laundering and the financing of terrorism. For this reason, all countries must take appropriate measures CFATF. A preparation committee, whom the Minister of Finance of the Netherlands Antilles Ms.. Ersilia "Sister" De Lannooy has established, will prepare and coordinate the conference, the Minister will host it. The Netherlands Antilles is currently the CFATF's vice chairman and will assume the chairmanship from St. Kitts and Nevis during the conference.

The countries participating at the conference in Curaçao are: Antigua and Barbuda, Anguilla, Aruba, the Bahamas, Bermuda, Barbados, Belize, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Costa Rica, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, Honduras, Montserrat, Nicaragua, Panama, St. Kitts & Nevis, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, Surinam, Turks & Caicos, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela and the Netherlands Antilles.

Representatives of the Netherlands, Canada, the United States, England, Mexico, Spain and France are expected to be present as CFATF's Cooperating and supporting nations. The IMF, the World Bank, the FATF and the Egmont Group will participate at the conference as observers.

All meetings will be held at Marriott Hotel and a cultural evening on Brion Square is also on the agenda.

The conference in Curaçao is divided into three sessions. The FIU forum will occur on October 26. The plenary meeting will start on 27 October. On the last day of the conference the ministers of the participating countries will hold a council.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on September 30, 2009, 01:59:12 AM
Goodnight TM and anyone visiting......thank you for the beautiful pictures of Natalee.....tomorrow is another day......Mere


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 02:28:23 AM
Goodnight TM and anyone visiting......thank you for the beautiful pictures of Natalee.....tomorrow is another day......Mere

Sorry I missed saying good night while you were still here Mere! 

Wishing you sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 02:38:40 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 30, 2009, 08:50:24 AM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 30, 2009, 09:08:21 AM
I recognized Annie's name due to seeing her on Celebrity Apprentice....otherwise, I wouldn't have known what she did for a living.  There are two female contestants currently on Amazing Race who are pro card players.......fwiw

***************

SOURCE: UltimateBet

   
Sep 29, 2009 18:27 ET
Record Number of Pros Confirmed for UltimateBet's Aruba Poker Classic
18 of the World's Top Poker Players Have Confirmed Their Seat in the Aruba Poker Classic Online Poker Tournament

MIAMI, FL--(Marketwire - September 29, 2009) - With just days before the first hand of the 2009 Aruba Poker Classic is dealt, UltimateBet today announced that a record number of poker professionals will be playing in this year's Main Event in Aruba. In addition to the 16 pros who represent UltimateBet on Team UB, the popular island tournament continues to attract pros from outside of UltimateBet.

"This is one of my all-time favorite poker tournaments," said Annie Duke, UltimateBet's Cardroom Consultant and member of Team UB. "While the UB community is famous for gathering together at all sorts of other poker tournaments like the WSOP, Aruba is all about celebrating the successes of UltimateBet's online poker players. I can't wait to meet the people I play against online, party with old friends on the beach and make some new ones."

Over the last year, UltimateBet has secured some of the world's most respected poker players for its popular Team UB. To date, the group of online poker pros made up of those who have achieved incredible success online and in land-based events has skyrocketed to 16. Each member of the group has confirmed their attendance in the 2009 Aruba Poker Classic.

Slated to play are Phil Hellmuth, Annie Duke, Joe Sebok, Adam Levy, Billy Kopp, Bryan Devonshire, Brandon Cantu, Debo34, Hollywood Dave, Liv Boeree, Matt Graham, Michael Binger, P0ker H0, Scott Ian, Shawn Rice and Tiffany Michelle.

Also confirmed to play in the event are professional poker players Lacey Jones and Matt Vengrin, who both play on the CEREUS Poker Network. While the expanded list of pros from outside of the CEREUS Poker Network hasn't been reported, the Aruba Poker Classic has attracted some big name poker players in past years, including Mike Matusow, Evelyn Ng, and Johan Storakers.

The Aruba Poker Classic, UltimateBet's signature island poker tournament, heads into its 8th year at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino. The weeklong poker experience runs from October 3rd through 10th and features a multi-million dollar prize pool.

Last year's Main Event was won by Matt Brady of Havertown, PA, who took home $1 million for his victory. It's rumored that the poker champion will show up to defend his title.

Players can still secure a $5,500 seat through an online satellite or buy directly into the event right up until the first hand is dealt. For more information on the 2009 Aruba Poker Classic, visit UltimateBet.com.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 30, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....
Speaking of the twit -- anyone know where he is lately?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
Kermit

I have my take on this issue but ... your insight would be appreciated.

I apologize if ... in the past ... you have already shared your perspective and I missed it.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Janet

++++++++


QUESTION TWO

Why would a father who embarked on a joint mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ...  why would a father who authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ...


1.  Continue a relationship with the person who afforded the Aruban  enemy unchallenged possession of what could have been his daugher's remains?

2.  Take the word of the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice for his daughter from prevailing since May 30, 2005 that the contents of the cage was not case related?

Janet

+++++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


... After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them (screen shots) from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047
 

On the Record w/ Greta – February  8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

VAN SUSTEREN: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

HOLLOWAY: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329988,00.html


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 02:52:41 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....
Speaking of the twit -- anyone know where he is lately?

I haven't read anything of his whereabouts lately, but like I've said before and I'll say again....I hope where ever his is, he is constantly looking over his shoulder.

 ::MonkeyCool::

P. S. Peter DeVries probably knows exactly where he is...JMO  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 30, 2009, 04:27:27 PM
Kermit

I have my take on this issue but ... your insight would be appreciated.

I apologize if ... in the past ... you have already shared your perspective and I missed it.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Janet

++++++++


QUESTION TWO

Why would a father who embarked on a joint mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ...  why would a father who authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ...


1.  Continue a relationship with the person who afforded the Aruban  enemy unchallenged possession of what could have been his daugher's remains?

2.  Take the word of the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice for his daughter from prevailing since May 30, 2005 that the contents of the cage was not case related?

Janet

+++++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


... After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them (screen shots) from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047
 

On the Record w/ Greta – February  8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

VAN SUSTEREN: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

HOLLOWAY: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329988,00.html


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.


I can't read Dave Holloway's mind. I only know that his wife believed whatever Debbie told her.
And BOTH of those women's connections have been with Reality and Mark Purcell etc. for a long time.  I know, by evidence, that Mark Purcell was involved with RV (Caps) and Caps created the pond hoax with his buddies.

As you can see from the email from John Silvetti he was more involved then people were aware and created lies (as I pointed out).  His crew members and the man paying John Silvetti were involved in trying to sell ROV images to make money. As we can clearly see from following Louis Schaefer's business deals/stock market/selling off his shares of stocks that he likes to profit and leaves others holding the bag more then once. There is a trail of duping people if ya ask me. Same with Kyle Kingman. He showed he was more then willing to lie soon as the truth was getting exposed about that trap/cage and what John Silvetti and his crew were up too.

IF they were honest people really dedicated to finding Natalee; truth is, they would have been on the phone to the FBI soon as they saw the Aruban's diving and retrieving evidence and call DATELINE and expose what happened. INSTEAD we see them attempt to involve themselves in the corruption KNOWING it didn't add up, knowing there were big holes in that story too! And they do not sweep the site or find a way to sweep the site once they see what the Aruban's did. They just go off on a cockamamie POND HOAX chase. In addition, you have them trying to make money off of the ROV images from THAT TARGET. NOT from other targets. NOPE.

Look at the date they found THAT target and compare it to the date they left Aruba from running out of funds. What do you think they were doing from Jan. 7th until March 1? We know Kyle was back home during the week of Valentines trying to sell the ROV images.

IF there is nothing in the trap - one has to ask themselves what was so significant that one tried to make money off of it? Me thinks Natalee was in that grave.

Me also thinks the family members have trusted the wrong people in my humble opinion.
This is just my own personal insights, from what I have seen/involved with since 2005 and that is the family members are very, very sweet nice people who have been up against insurmountable odds. They've listened to and trusted people they should never have, but I think they did it because they didn't know what we all knew. They do not read the boards. I think Beth rarely reads the front page of SM, but other then that, they don't know who is doing what to whom AND when Robin was told about Mark Purcell's posts and Reality's she thought it was not them, but someone else posting that. When Beth was told about things Robin was posting at BFN, she thought it could not be the real Robin Holloway.  I wonder how much that Pond Search costs and if Aruba is going to prosecute the Aruban individuals who got Dave to spend all that money searching/draining a pond where nothing but some doo-rag was found - eh?

Like I said, the family trusts the wrong people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 30, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....
Speaking of the twit -- anyone know where he is lately?

I haven't read anything of his whereabouts lately, but like I've said before and I'll say again....I hope where ever his is, he is constantly looking over his shoulder.

 ::MonkeyCool::

P. S. Peter DeVries probably knows exactly where he is...JMO  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


I'm pretty sure he is with that girl (don't recall her name off the top of my head. American blonde chick who wanted to go to Thailand to study sex trade or something). I am pretty positive he's been here at SM a few times checking lurking just like his mother does.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....
Speaking of the twit -- anyone know where he is lately?

I haven't read anything of his whereabouts lately, but like I've said before and I'll say again....I hope where ever his is, he is constantly looking over his shoulder.

 ::MonkeyCool::

P. S. Peter DeVries probably knows exactly where he is...JMO  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


I'm pretty sure he is with that girl (don't recall her name off the top of my head. American blonde chick who wanted to go to Thailand to study sex trade or something). I am pretty positive he's been here at SM a few times checking lurking just like his mother does.

Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63174.php

Google translation:

Governor decides this week on formateur

September 30, 2009, 13:45 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Contrary to what was yesterday in this newspaper, the governor decided to informateur or to appoint a formateur. The Cabinet of the Governor, the decision probably high this week taken. The outgoing Cabinet Oduber decided yesterday at the last minute to radical measures such as elimination of sales tax and an increase of BBO in the state by 50 percent.

Legislation and Legal Affairs Department should, within one weeks with a concept which allow the amendment bbo is completely abolished. "It satisfies the desire of government to the campaign for the ASF bbo of 3 percent in the fully abolish" said an official press release. It also says that the Cabinet yesterday decided to raise the minimum wage from 1750 to 1542.90 florin florin per January 1, 2010. From then on the stand for the disabled under 25 percent and increased the 'normal' under state with 50 percent. The latter means that families on welfare florin 100 extra a month there have said the outgoing government. Importance is also the widows and orphans' pensions increased by 10 percent and thereby contribute to life on the increased cost of living of pensioners. The government will then take care of the MWV premium of retirees, says the Oduber-cabinet, and will not change the retirement age of 60 years and the pension contributions.

Finally, the cabinet decided yesterday to homeless Roof Riba Cabez in Orange City to close.

The reason for these measures at the last moment to enter, the government said that it would fulfill all promises made during election campaigns that are expressed and ratified in the election on September 25. "This procedure prevents the government that what happened in 1985/1986. The then government (AVP, ed) did not include a promise to direct the solidarity tax of 8.2 percent to abolish two years and remained long after then collect another load of 4.1 percent was introduced. With these measures, the Government now saving all seven facilities listed for the welfare of the entire Aruban community. "

The Cabinet Oduber has resigned since Saturday resigned from the governor has submitted. The governor has not decided on the resignation and has taken into consideration. At the Cabinet was asked to continue its charge to the benefit of Aruba should be deemed necessary, until the governor has decided on the resignation. It is customary that a caretaker government does not take more drastic measures, because they no longer have political support.
PDR-Bikker Andin leader says the governor yesterday in an interview with him indicated that they have a letter sent to the outgoing government has taken the following measures.

The consultation talks by Governor Fredis Refunjol been completed yesterday. The governor is currently in discussion about the information he received from interviews with, among other representatives of parties in parliament are elected or advisory. He may then decide to first appoint an informateur to the potential for a new government should continue to investigate. And then informateur can also recommend a formateur. The formateur, the future cabinet together and is often the new Prime Minister.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 05:47:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63172.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Eman to restore Government Office

September 30, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)


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ORANGE CITY - Upcoming Minister Mike Eman (AVP) has expressed its wish to the former Government Office in former glory. The building is empty since Prime Minister Nel Oduber (MEP) Office Board decided to move to new premises at Surfside Marina. Eman Tuesday morning brought a visit to the former Government Office in order to see for himself in the deplorable state finds the property. The old firm, according to Eman "tremendous historical value. "The first prime minister of Aruba was started to work. Subsequently, all prime ministers of the island worked there, "said Eman. The office building has not only historical but also cultural, symbolic and architectural value, so let the party leader know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63173.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Adventure of the Seas leaves Aruba

September 30, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Adventure of the Seas cruise company Royal Caribbean would temporarily after April 20, 2010 the port of Oranjestad not calling. The ship, with a capacity of more than 3000 passengers, will sail in Europe. Thus various media reported. Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of the Aruba Ports Authority (APA), confirms that the route was changed and Adventure from late April that the ship not sailing to Aruba. The cruise schedule on the website of APA is to look, also confirmed the departure of Adventure of the Seas.

The sister ship Serenade of the Seas will be the same company rather than the Adventure Aruban the port. The Serenade and Radiance of the class can compare to the Voyager class of Adventure about 600 fewer passengers carried. However, the newer and more modern vessel. The audience of the ship is also different, says Boekhoudt. "The Adventure of the Seas draws with amenities like a skating rink, climbing wall and a basketball court a younger audience."

Home of Serenade of the Seas is located in the Bahamas. Boekhoudt says the decline of passengers to be regretted, especially in the low season, but is positive about the chances of Aruba for possible from other Royal Caribbean ships to attract. "This decision is nothing concrete, but it could just be that, if demand is high enough, the cruise company decides to example Grandeur of the Seas more to come to Aruba," said APA director.

The cruise ship Adventure is our harbor for years continuously. The ship every week this season visiting our island, in the low season for two weeks. In Europe, Adventure of the Seas in Malaga in Spain navigating a route in the Mediterranean Sea. According Boekhoudt there is no particular reason for the departure of Adventure of the Seas. "It's probably just a change in the schedule of a sailing ship, like all ships that every few years." He considers the likelihood or not that big ship in the short term return to Aruba. "It takes at least four or five years before the route change."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63170.php

ARUBA

"Aruba 60 percent less dependent on oil '

September 30, 2009, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)


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The annual meeting of the Netherlands-Aruba took place at the Promenade Hotel in The Hague. First MP Rein Willems talked about energy alternatives to Aruba.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba in 2025 to 60 percent may be less dependent on oil and would complete a long-term CO2-neutral island can be. This Rein Willems said recently at the annual meeting of the Netherlands-Aruba at the Promenade Hotel in The Hague. Ward is former CEO of Shell Netherlands and now a member of the Senate for the CDA.

He gave a lecture on energy transition and the potential for Aruba. He sees great benefits to Aruba, as the country use more renewable energy sources such as wind, and eventually Concentrated Solar Power (CSP). "The construction of several large and modern windmills, which have a capacity of 5 to 7 megawatts, Aruba would greatly less dependent on oil," said Willems. "The energy of the island is already completely dependent on oil for decades." We are on Aruba ten windmills with a capacity of 3 megawatts built by Father Peter, who in about 18 percent of the total energy provided.
 
Home insulation against solar heat also provides environmental gains, says Willems. "This needs to be generated less electricity for air conditioning." Alternatively calls the first MP of energy pumping relatively cold seawater to the Atlantic north coast of Aruba. Willems: "The sea, from depths of 100 to 200 meters, can be used for cooling of such large hotels on the southern coast of the island." Moreover, he also use more solar energy a possibility, but the cost is still too high. These proposals did MP also said in a lecture last year in Aruba, during the annual business dinner of the Chamber of Commerce

He finally gave up on that more and larger "kingdom thinking 'the use of renewable energy in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba could promote. "It's in the political and public debate on renewable energy to date, especially on the Dutch climate objectives of the government. If that would also include the Caribbean part of the Kingdom, would have a beneficial impact on the environment of countries like Aruba, "said Willems.

Rein Willems is a member of parliament and former except summit of Shell Netherlands, also former chairman of the Environment Committee of employers' organization VNO-NCW and Energy Taskforce.


Netherlands-Aruba
The Netherlands-Aruba is twelve years ago in response to the mutual relations between the Netherlands and Aruba to improve, by means of objective and independent information on the development of Aruba. This included regular meetings each year by keeping relevant topics which are discussed on the relationship with Aruba and the Netherlands. The Society has recently crossed the border 200 members and now has 201 members.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 06:07:53 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63163.php

ARUBA

Region Quota International Meeting for the first time in Aruba

September 30, 2009, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Quota International holds its first regional meeting on Aruba. Laura Lahman, South Area Director for the period 2008-2010, comes to Aruba at this international meeting of all Quota clubs in the region to sit on 2, 3 and October 4. South Area During this meeting, which has always been held in a U.S. state, are the governors of the various districts of the region to develop strategies and success stories to share with each other regarding the good works carried out for people in emergency. The South Area of Quota International covers mainly the southern U.S. states: Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee, Florida, but also countries in South America and the 'District 42, which Aruba , Curacao, Netherlands, Suriname and St. Eustatius part of it. Altogether about 100 participants expected. Lydia Emerencia, rector of the University of Aruba, has been invited as guest speaker.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 06:11:54 PM
http://www.quota-setx.org/mission.html

Quota International Mission Statement

Quota's Objects, established in 1919 and revised in 1996, serve as Quota International's mission:

The business and objects of Quota International shall be to seek individuals of diverse occupations committed to sharing their time, talent, and resources to meet Quota International's service goals, and more particularly:

To serve country and community;

To promote high ethical standards;

To emphasize the dignity of all useful occupations;

To develop good fellowship and friendship; and

To advance the ideals of righteousness, justice, international understanding, and good will.

(Quota International Bylaws, Article II)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
60 year old woman on her way to Curacao, died on an airplane in Aruba.  Her body was taken for further investigation.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12504/5/

lady of edad owing to fayece in plane of hammer air

wednesday, 30 september 2009 - 06:00

in careda of 7:30 of night alarma owing to wordo beat at instant cu one plane of hammer air owing to descend at aruba. the piloto owing to give of conoce cu one senjora cu have to owing to go curacao will owing to achieve one access at instant of the vuelo. click read more for more info... stewardesnan owing to deal at reanime but provided that vano. informacionnan cu we owing to ricibi is cu the lady have 60 anja of edad y the was direction for curacao. at instant cu the plane owing to descend at aruba recherchenan together cu fiscal owing to present at the sitio for so did take the curpa in beslag for more investigation. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
60 year old woman on her way to Curacao, died on an airplane in Aruba.  Her body was taken for further investigation.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12504/5/

lady of edad owing to fayece in plane of hammer air

wednesday, 30 september 2009 - 06:00

in careda of 7:30 of night alarma owing to wordo beat at instant cu one plane of hammer air owing to descend at aruba. the piloto owing to give of conoce cu one senjora cu have to owing to go curacao will owing to achieve one access at instant of the vuelo. click read more for more info... stewardesnan owing to deal at reanime but provided that vano. informacionnan cu we owing to ricibi is cu the lady have 60 anja of edad y the was direction for curacao. at instant cu the plane owing to descend at aruba recherchenan together cu fiscal owing to present at the sitio for so did take the curpa in beslag for more investigation. come across

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/pasahero-ta-haya-atake-di-curazon-y-muri-riba-vuelo-di-martin-air/

Papiamentu translation:

passenger is achieve atake of curazon y die on vuelo of hammer air

publication: diaranson, 30 september 2009. categoria: general

turbulencia for aruba owing to spanta passenger

oranjestad (aan): the trip of one family back for curacao owing to end in tristeza after cu one of they owing to achieve atake of curazon during the vuelo of amsterdam for aruba.e pasajero his name is iris the. muyden pieter that was together cu the family cu destiny curacao.e madam have 66 year of edad. more cu one hour first cu the plane of hammer air owing to descend at aruba already end at aeropuerto was pendiente for arrival of the plane. the piloto self does not owing to divulga mucho cos. hour cu the plane owing to descend already end doctor y fiscal was present. police at grensbewaking also owing to bay abordo. after cu doctor owing to constata dead the curpa owing to being entrega at family. all family owing to descend at aruba. according informacion the madam is abide of curazon y the plane owing to happen in one turbulencia. in the proceso here past owing to achieve one atake of curazon y owing to die at once. the plane is descend at aruba all day y after is leave for curacao y follow for the netherlands. now the family will haci the preparacion for take away the defunto back curacao for they dere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 06:49:49 PM
Kermit

I have my take on this issue but ... your insight would be appreciated.

I apologize if ... in the past ... you have already shared your perspective and I missed it.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Janet

++++++++


QUESTION TWO

Why would a father who embarked on a joint mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ...  why would a father who authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ...


1.  Continue a relationship with the person who afforded the Aruban  enemy unchallenged possession of what could have been his daugher's remains?

2.  Take the word of the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice for his daughter from prevailing since May 30, 2005 that the contents of the cage was not case related?

Janet

+++++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


... After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them (screen shots) from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047
 

On the Record w/ Greta – February  8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

VAN SUSTEREN: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

HOLLOWAY: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329988,00.html


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.


I can't read Dave Holloway's mind. I only know that his wife believed whatever Debbie told her.
And BOTH of those women's connections have been with Reality and Mark Purcell etc. for a long time.  I know, by evidence, that Mark Purcell was involved with RV (Caps) and Caps created the pond hoax with his buddies.

As you can see from the email from John Silvetti he was more involved then people were aware and created lies (as I pointed out).  His crew members and the man paying John Silvetti were involved in trying to sell ROV images to make money. As we can clearly see from following Louis Schaefer's business deals/stock market/selling off his shares of stocks that he likes to profit and leaves others holding the bag more then once. There is a trail of duping people if ya ask me. Same with Kyle Kingman. He showed he was more then willing to lie soon as the truth was getting exposed about that trap/cage and what John Silvetti and his crew were up too.

IF they were honest people really dedicated to finding Natalee; truth is, they would have been on the phone to the FBI soon as they saw the Aruban's diving and retrieving evidence and call DATELINE and expose what happened. INSTEAD we see them attempt to involve themselves in the corruption KNOWING it didn't add up, knowing there were big holes in that story too! And they do not sweep the site or find a way to sweep the site once they see what the Aruban's did. They just go off on a cockamamie POND HOAX chase. In addition, you have them trying to make money off of the ROV images from THAT TARGET. NOT from other targets. NOPE.

Look at the date they found THAT target and compare it to the date they left Aruba from running out of funds. What do you think they were doing from Jan. 7th until March 1? We know Kyle was back home during the week of Valentines trying to sell the ROV images.

IF there is nothing in the trap - one has to ask themselves what was so significant that one tried to make money off of it? Me thinks Natalee was in that grave.

Me also thinks the family members have trusted the wrong people in my humble opinion.
This is just my own personal insights, from what I have seen/involved with since 2005 and that is the family members are very, very sweet nice people who have been up against insurmountable odds. They've listened to and trusted people they should never have, but I think they did it because they didn't know what we all knew. They do not read the boards. I think Beth rarely reads the front page of SM, but other then that, they don't know who is doing what to whom AND when Robin was told about Mark Purcell's posts and Reality's she thought it was not them, but someone else posting that. When Beth was told about things Robin was posting at BFN, she thought it could not be the real Robin Holloway.  I wonder how much that Pond Search costs and if Aruba is going to prosecute the Aruban individuals who got Dave to spend all that money searching/draining a pond where nothing but some doo-rag was found - eh?

Like I said, the family trusts the wrong people.


Thank you Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 06:53:30 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/douane-a-intercepta-droga-den-boter-di-talco-pa-baby/

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douane owing to intercepta drugs in boter of talco for baby

publication: diaranson, 30 september 2009. categoria: general, policial

oranjestad (aan): diabierna cu owing to happen, douane seccion of aeropuerto owing to achieve come intercepta drugs scondi in boter of talco for baby.ta deal from here of a man cu inicial j.f.m naci at curaçao first of november 1987. the person menciona owing to arrive for of curaçao alrededor of 20.45or of night cu the vuelo of tiara air.durante the control of douane owing to come constata cu the person was have one boter of talco for baby in his trunk. douane owing to bay over for controla the contenido of the boter of talco y they owing to come constata cu in the boter was have pakinan of drugs parecido of marihuana scondi. douane owing to test one bit of the contenido y the test owing to reacciona positive. the sospechoso j.f.m. owing to worde deteni self hour y past owing to worde entrega together cu the pakinan of marihuana at the recherchenan of kpa, seccion sgc for more investigacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 07:19:18 PM
Kermit

QUESTION 3:

When the following is considered ... what is your perspective of what took place during that two day period on board the Persistence following the ROV dive in regards to:


1.  John Silvetti
2.  Mos/Richardson)
3.  Mark Purcell
4.  ATA/AHATA


1.  12/29/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV images.

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.


2.  12/30/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV dive images.

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


3.  12/30/07 - John Silvetti's reaction to Tim Miller following the ROV dive.

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.


4.  01/01/08 - Tim Miller's sudden departure to pursue a false lead.

Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC (Nicaragua).


Thank you again Kermit.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 30, 2009, 07:30:45 PM
Kermit

I have my take on this issue but ... your insight would be appreciated.

I apologize if ... in the past ... you have already shared your perspective and I missed it.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Janet

++++++++


QUESTION TWO

Why would a father who embarked on a joint mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ...  why would a father who authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ...


1.  Continue a relationship with the person who afforded the Aruban  enemy unchallenged possession of what could have been his daugher's remains?

2.  Take the word of the Aruban enemy who has prevented justice for his daughter from prevailing since May 30, 2005 that the contents of the cage was not case related?

Janet

+++++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


... After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them (screen shots) from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047
 

On the Record w/ Greta – February  8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

VAN SUSTEREN: You can actually follow the search that they are doing, the mapping of the ocean floor, right?

HOLLOWAY: You can actually see some of the items they've picked up and the mapping of certain items on the bottom of the ocean. They've identified a number of targets that they'll soon be checking out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329988,00.html


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.


I can't read Dave Holloway's mind. I only know that his wife believed whatever Debbie told her.
And BOTH of those women's connections have been with Reality and Mark Purcell etc. for a long time.  I know, by evidence, that Mark Purcell was involved with RV (Caps) and Caps created the pond hoax with his buddies.

As you can see from the email from John Silvetti he was more involved then people were aware and created lies (as I pointed out).  His crew members and the man paying John Silvetti were involved in trying to sell ROV images to make money. As we can clearly see from following Louis Schaefer's business deals/stock market/selling off his shares of stocks that he likes to profit and leaves others holding the bag more then once. There is a trail of duping people if ya ask me. Same with Kyle Kingman. He showed he was more then willing to lie soon as the truth was getting exposed about that trap/cage and what John Silvetti and his crew were up too.

IF they were honest people really dedicated to finding Natalee; truth is, they would have been on the phone to the FBI soon as they saw the Aruban's diving and retrieving evidence and call DATELINE and expose what happened. INSTEAD we see them attempt to involve themselves in the corruption KNOWING it didn't add up, knowing there were big holes in that story too! And they do not sweep the site or find a way to sweep the site once they see what the Aruban's did. They just go off on a cockamamie POND HOAX chase. In addition, you have them trying to make money off of the ROV images from THAT TARGET. NOT from other targets. NOPE.

Look at the date they found THAT target and compare it to the date they left Aruba from running out of funds. What do you think they were doing from Jan. 7th until March 1? We know Kyle was back home during the week of Valentines trying to sell the ROV images.

IF there is nothing in the trap - one has to ask themselves what was so significant that one tried to make money off of it? Me thinks Natalee was in that grave.

Me also thinks the family members have trusted the wrong people in my humble opinion.
This is just my own personal insights, from what I have seen/involved with since 2005 and that is the family members are very, very sweet nice people who have been up against insurmountable odds. They've listened to and trusted people they should never have, but I think they did it because they didn't know what we all knew. They do not read the boards. I think Beth rarely reads the front page of SM, but other then that, they don't know who is doing what to whom AND when Robin was told about Mark Purcell's posts and Reality's she thought it was not them, but someone else posting that. When Beth was told about things Robin was posting at BFN, she thought it could not be the real Robin Holloway.  I wonder how much that Pond Search costs and if Aruba is going to prosecute the Aruban individuals who got Dave to spend all that money searching/draining a pond where nothing but some doo-rag was found - eh?

Like I said, the family trusts the wrong people.


Which does not make the family criminals or looking for the big payoff.  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 30, 2009, 07:33:25 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....
Speaking of the twit -- anyone know where he is lately?

I haven't read anything of his whereabouts lately, but like I've said before and I'll say again....I hope where ever his is, he is constantly looking over his shoulder.

 ::MonkeyCool::

P. S. Peter DeVries probably knows exactly where he is...JMO  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


I'm pretty sure he is with that girl (don't recall her name off the top of my head. American blonde chick who wanted to go to Thailand to study sex trade or something). I am pretty positive he's been here at SM a few times checking lurking just like his mother does.

Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?

GBMW said over at the Brass Monkeys that Joran had opened a coffee shop.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 08:40:12 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/community_focus/Body-recovered-in-Amsterdam-canal.html

Body recovered in Amsterdam canal


Amsterdam – Divers from the Amsterdam fire brigade recovered a body from one of the city canals on Tuesday, reports nu.nl.

A passer-by has spotted the body while walking along a canal near Postjeskade in Amsterdam west.

Police have yet to determine to identify the body although Amsterdam local TV station, AT5, reports it was the body of a male.

Dozens of bodies are fished out of the Amsterdam canals yearly due to people falling into the water and drowning.

It is believed someone may have fallen from a boat and drowned in this case.

Local authorities will perform an autopsy on the body on Wednesday to determine the cause of his death. 



This is where I believe we'll see Joran's name one day.  He'll cross the wrong person and end up like this....
Speaking of the twit -- anyone know where he is lately?

I haven't read anything of his whereabouts lately, but like I've said before and I'll say again....I hope where ever his is, he is constantly looking over his shoulder.

 ::MonkeyCool::

P. S. Peter DeVries probably knows exactly where he is...JMO  ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


I'm pretty sure he is with that girl (don't recall her name off the top of my head. American blonde chick who wanted to go to Thailand to study sex trade or something). I am pretty positive he's been here at SM a few times checking lurking just like his mother does.

Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?

GBMW said over at the Brass Monkeys that Joran had opened a coffee shop.

Yes I remember reading that he planned to do that...  (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/smoking-cannabis-032.gif)   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 30, 2009, 08:54:50 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/smoking-cannabis-032.gif)


I wanna know why TM  ::MonkeyAngel::  has this in her photobucket?? ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 30, 2009, 08:56:46 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/smoking-cannabis-032.gif)


I wanna know why TM  ::MonkeyAngel::  has this in her photobucket?? ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

That did not come out right -- but you get the drift!  ::MonkeyCool::

Fixed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 30, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::    Wreck, I'm sure it strictly for medicinal purposes.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 09:29:22 PM
There are those with an Aruban agenda who have deceived Beth Holloway but when the deception is revealed ... logic dictates and ... Natalee's mother reacts accordingly.

Janet

+++++


According to Jen ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.  
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 10:23:30 PM
In her own classy manner ... Beth Holloway does not take BS from anybody on that island ... she challenges it.

Natalee Holloway's amazing Mom let the the Prime Minister of Aruba have it.  Her articulation was perfect.

Janet

+++++++
 
'RITA COSBY LIVE & DIRECT' - DECEMBER 5, 2008

JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER:  Yes, I did.  Actually, you know, everything you just said is absolutely correct, in that I went all out to help Beth in every way, to help find her daughter.  And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  Now, was Beth there?

RENFRO:  Yes, she was.

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  OK, Beth, I want to hear what you have to say about this.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY':  Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated.  We were searching for answers.  But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen.  I was there.  There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there.  I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation.  But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437


'SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY' - OCTOBER 25, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 10:44:54 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/smoking-cannabis-032.gif)


I wanna know why TM  ::MonkeyAngel::  has this in her photobucket?? ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I was off laughing at my boys and a friend of theirs watching Ghost Hunters...I got a little skeeeeerrrrrrd myself.  I actually have quite a collection Joran's lifestyle symbols that I gathered to use during a discussion here quite a while ago...just dusted that one off.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 30, 2009, 10:47:27 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::    Wreck, I'm sure it strictly for medicinal purposes.   


 ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 12:26:43 AM
Kermit

QUESTION 3:

When the following is considered ... what is your perspective of what took place during that two day period on board the Persistence following the ROV dive in regards to:


1.  John Silvetti
2.  Mos/Richardson)
3.  Mark Purcell
4.  ATA/AHATA


1.  12/29/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV images.

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.


2.  12/30/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV dive images.

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


3.  12/30/07 - John Silvetti's reaction to Tim Miller following the ROV dive.

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.


4.  01/01/08 - Tim Miller's sudden departure to pursue a false lead.

Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC (Nicaragua).


Thank you again Kermit.

Janet



Dec. 29th - Tim Miller saw what he said "looks like a skull"

Kyle told us

Dec. 30th is when John changed his focus. AFTER this date is when John did not want Tim Miller on board because he said he wasn't necssary anymore and was a liability. Kyle did not agree with John Silvetti. Tim was not hurting anything EXCEPT for the phone call to the parents to tell them they had found Natalee.
John was working WITH the ARUBAN polis at this point to arrange the next dive.

That night Kyle talked to Tim Miller. Kyle told Tim Miller that he thought that the polis already knew about the trap which Kyle got from several comments he overheard and also the way the Arubans were behaving. Tim Miller agreed with Kyle and when Kyle woke up the next morning Tim Miller and Dateline were gone off the boat leaving only John Silvetti as the project lead.
That is when John Silvetti took what Richardson said which was to search further out.

Keep in mind that the "original plans" were for the Aruban police AND the crew dive team onboard the Persistence were to be involved in the recover of that trap. That never happened!
Keep in mind there was never a suction-recovery done on that trap either which common sense says you'd do a suction-recovery considering there is a skull and material in the trap. I mean they knew they were out there in Aruba being paid to look for a body recovery and yet they do not seem to follow up on anything. Wonder why?

By March Caps is posting "Me and J & W and the C's are all in agreement now that it must be there."
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.560

Caps = Rxxxxx H. Vxxxx
W = Lorenzo Webb
C = Clyde Burke
J = John Silvetti

March 18 there is a meeting between Caps and John, John goes and sees Mos, and Kyle acknowledges he knows about the pond that Caps has been talking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 01, 2009, 12:38:44 AM
Kermit

QUESTION 3:

When the following is considered ... what is your perspective of what took place during that two day period on board the Persistence following the ROV dive in regards to:


1.  John Silvetti
2.  Mos/Richardson)
3.  Mark Purcell
4.  ATA/AHATA


1.  12/29/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV images.

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.


2.  12/30/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV dive images.

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


3.  12/30/07 - John Silvetti's reaction to Tim Miller following the ROV dive.

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.


4.  01/01/08 - Tim Miller's sudden departure to pursue a false lead.

Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC (Nicaragua).


Thank you again Kermit.

Janet



Dec. 29th - Tim Miller saw what he said "looks like a skull"

Kyle told us

Dec. 30th is when John changed his focus. AFTER this date is when John did not want Tim Miller on board because he said he wasn't necssary anymore and was a liability. Kyle did not agree with John Silvetti. Tim was not hurting anything EXCEPT for the phone call to the parents to tell them they had found Natalee.
John was working WITH the ARUBAN polis at this point to arrange the next dive.

That night Kyle talked to Tim Miller. Kyle told Tim Miller that he thought that the polis already knew about the trap which Kyle got from several comments he overheard and also the way the Arubans were behaving. Tim Miller agreed with Kyle and when Kyle woke up the next morning Tim Miller and Dateline were gone off the boat leaving only John Silvetti as the project lead.
That is when John Silvetti took what Richardson said which was to search further out.

Keep in mind that the "original plans" were for the Aruban police AND the crew dive team onboard the Persistence were to be involved in the recover of that trap. That never happened!
Keep in mind there was never a suction-recovery done on that trap either which common sense says you'd do a suction-recovery considering there is a skull and material in the trap. I mean they knew they were out there in Aruba being paid to look for a body recovery and yet they do not seem to follow up on anything. Wonder why?

By March Caps is posting "Me and J & W and the C's are all in agreement now that it must be there."
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.560

Caps = Rxxxxx H. Vxxxx
W = Lorenzo Webb
C = Clyde Burke
J = John Silvetti

March 18 there is a meeting between Caps and John, John goes and sees Mos, and Kyle acknowledges he knows about the pond that Caps has been talking about.

I think that sums it up pretty well. (You all know that I have had that opinion from EARLY on -- though I never understood the depths of the deception until Kermit and a few others have clearly laid it out). I originally thought that our Government KNEW about this, but was sitting back and setting a trap for those involved. But, now after another 1 and 3/4 years -- I just don't have any faith anymore that justice is aaround the corner. I am baffled that Beth, her brother, or Dave aren't up in arms. Surely they know of these revelations laid out here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 12:39:12 AM
Quote
Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?

uh-huh

Country:Thailand  (Facts)
State/Region:Krung Thep
City:Bangkok
Search Words joran van der sloot




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 01, 2009, 01:02:24 AM
Quote
Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?

uh-huh

Country:Thailand  (Facts)
State/Region:Krung Thep
City:Bangkok
Search Words joran van der sloot




http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:cAqwkXqHZ64J:www.myspace.com/caitiekitten+caitie+kitten&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 01:17:20 AM
Quote
Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?

uh-huh

Country:Thailand  (Facts)
State/Region:Krung Thep
City:Bangkok
Search Words joran van der sloot




http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:cAqwkXqHZ64J:www.myspace.com/caitiekitten+caitie+kitten&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thanks Kermit and Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 01, 2009, 01:22:57 AM
She is a cute girl.  Way too cute for Frankenstein


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 01:36:02 AM
Kermit

QUESTION 3:

When the following is considered ... what is your perspective of what took place during that two day period on board the Persistence following the ROV revelation on December 29, 2009 in regards to:


1.  John Silvetti
2.  Mos/Richardson
3.  Mark Purcell
4.  ATA/AHATA


1.  12/29/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV images.

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.


2.  12/30/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV dive images.

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


3.  12/30/07 - John Silvetti's reaction to Tim Miller following the ROV dive.

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.


4.  01/01/08 - Tim Miller's sudden departure to pursue a false lead.

Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC (Nicaragua).


Thank you again Kermit.

Janet



Thanks for your response Kermit.

For now I only want to focus on the two days prior to Tim Miller's departure from the Persistence.

Am I understanding you correctly?  You believe that it may have been John Silvetti and the Aruban delegation on board the Persistence who made the decision that Tim Miller had to go and ... that decision was made on Deember 29/30, 2009 after Dave and Beth were contacted that he was 99% convinced that the ROV images revealed Natalee Holloway's remains.

Could it be that the Nicauara hoax was collaborated at this time and ... then Mark Purcell was contacted to relay the "tip" to Dave Holloway.  The involvement of Tim Miller was a given and ... the "liability" left the ship on January 1, 2009 ... six days prior to the recovery of Natalee's remains.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 01:44:30 AM
She is a cute girl.  Way too cute for Frankenstein

I agree, Magnolia.  Plus, I'll always believe he's a ticking time bomb!   :smt073
 


::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 01:45:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 01:54:51 AM
Kermit

Thank you for your input ... both research and insight.  We may not be on the same page in all aspects and ... that is OK.  However ... I sincerely value your perspective.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I think we are OK for now but ... I will shout at the next impass.

Ribbit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 01:56:16 AM
LOVING NATALEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Pages 230/231:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 02:52:07 AM
10/1/2009 Awe Mainta Page 23

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MiscNews12%20102009/10012009AweMaintaPg23.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

for odd cu can is desaparicion of vice consul mericano, do not important for medionan mericano

thing cu owing to wing very atencion ultimo day, t’e desaparicion of the vice consul mericano, staciona at corsow. is deal here of james hogan, for cual have very much speculacion. contrario at desaparicion of the student mericano, natalee holloway some year happen, where aruba owing to stay invadi for several medio of comunicación mericano, all the canalnan of television mericano, permiti for name of aruba wordo bad propaga, at corsow, seems cu they not have interest p’e desaparicion of the vice consul mericano here. at aruba, is surgi the question, pakico not have interest?

or the medionan of prensa mericano not know still? siendo cu departamento of estado is at height, for cual even autoridadnan hudicial of antiyas, is hayando asistencia of fbi, dea y also for of the netherlands, owing to send asistencia for busca the mericano here, that as menciona owing to desaparace in form misterioso. as menciona, have very speculacion y although till now here, autoridadnan is mantene the hipotesis of desaparicion, not have to exclui of one acto criminal. cometi for kende(nan)? esey also have to wordo investiga.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 03:07:58 AM

For Sandy Leiva,

When you have time (no hurry at all), please translate this article by Jossy Mansur. 

You're the best, and I'd really like to understand what Jossy was saying!

Thanks a million Sandy!   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/e-xenofobia-di-nel/





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on October 01, 2009, 08:47:31 AM
65 years after disappearance, search for WW II WASP pilot will begin anew
By Independent Press
September 30, 2009, 10:37AM

SEARCH RE-OPENS — Former Summit resident Gertrude Tompkins, the only missing member of the World War II Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP), disappeared in October 1944 in her P-51-D Mustang, and is now the object of an intense underwater search by the Missing Aircraft Search Team and other experts. (Photo courtesy of Laura Whittall-Scherfee)

SUMMIT — Divers, explorers and aviation archaeologists from the Missing Aircraft Search Team (MAST) and from around the country have launched an expedition off Los Angeles to search for former Summit resident Gertrude Tompkins, the last missing member of the Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP) of World War II.
According to expedition spokesman Lew Toulmin, a co-founder of MAST and a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, “The WASP were absolutely vital to the war effort. They ferried all types of aircraft over 60 million miles from factories to shipping locations on the east and west coasts. Gertrude ‘Tommy’ Tompkins was one of these heroic WASP, and she disappeared in the Los Angeles, Calif., area on 26 October 1944, in her powerful P-51-D Mustang. She is the last missing member of this famous and dedicated group, and her disappearance is one of the great remaining mysteries of World War II.”
G. Pat Macha of Los Angeles, who has written three books on airplane archaeology and has been researching the Tompkins case for more than 11 years, said, “We hope we can solve this case soon, so that we can bring closure to the family, including Gertrude’s 100-year-old sister, who is very much rooting for us. We interviewed a possible eyewitness to the crash, who was only a boy at the time, and that has helped our analysis quite a bit.”
Robert E. Hyman, a member of MAST and one of the leaders of the expedition, noted that the WASP are still very much in the news. “On July 2, 2009, President Obama signed a bill awarding a Congressional Gold Medal to the 300 surviving WASP for their service. The President said, ‘The WASP answered their country’s call in a time of need, while blazing a trail for the brave women who have given and continue to give so much in service to this nation since.’”
According to Chris Killian, the leader of the expedition and a co-founder of the Missing Aircraft Search Team, “Gertrude Tompkins had only been married a month to Sgt. Henry Silver when she took off at about 4 p.m. on 26 October 1944 from Mines Field — now Los Angeles International Airport — and headed for the East Coast in her Mustang. She took off into the wind, into an offshore fog bank, and was expected that night at Palm Springs. But she never arrived. Due to a paperwork foul-up, the search did not get under way for several days, and while the eventual search of land and sea was massive, it failed to find a trace of Silver or her plane.”
Gene Ralston, a search expert who has found the bodies of more than 60 drowning victims in the U.S. and Canada, and who worked on the well-publicized Laci Peterson and Natalee Holloway disappearances, is leading the sonar detection effort. He said, “Our role is to exactly locate each underwater site and do preliminary screening using side scan sonar and our remotely operated underwater vehicle, to see if we can rule out that particular target.” FBI Special Agent and diver Mike Pizzio, taking a vacation from his job as a member of the FBI’s Underwater Search and Evidence Response Team in Miami, is leading the dive team. He said, “Some of the underwater targets are over 270 feet down. So we utilize special gear and have recruited some of the top divers in the country to work on this important case.”
Gary Fabian is a maritime historian who found the elusive World War I German submarine UB-88 off Long Beach, Calif. He said, “We have been searching on and off for Tompkins and her plane for years, but I think that our expanded team has a comprehensive approach that will sort through all the high probability targets. So we are very hopeful.”
According to Colleen Keller, a pilot, co-founder of MAST and expert in search theory who just returned from working on the June 2009 disappearance of Air France flight 447 off Brazil, “There are several possible causes for the crash. The most likely cause is pilot disorientation in the fog. But other possibilities include distraction due to a faulty canopy, problems with the center of gravity in the Mustang and problems with the engine. If we find the plane and are very lucky indeed, an investigation might be able to shed some light on the cause of the crash.”
Toulmin, the spokesman for the effort, said the effort will bring together a range of skills. “This effort is led by members of the private group MAST, which recently contributed to finding the missing Cessna N2700Q in Arizona, and was founded by private searchers who worked on the disappearance of adventurer Steve Fossett. The Tompkins team includes experts in search theory, expedition management, diving and historical research, and incorporates all the key investigators who have worked on the case over the years. We are very honored that relatives of Gertrude Tompkins are also participating in team logistics and field support.” For updates during the initial search dates of Sept. 27-Oct. 2, and the main search dates of Oct. 3-11, visit aircraftwrecks.com.
He continued, “Our all-volunteer team has undertaken hundreds of hours of research on the case, and we located three WASP who were apparently present at Mines Field the day Gertrude disappeared. These three P-51 WASP pilots had never before been interviewed about this case, while the initial 1944 accident report only interviewed one WASP. We have conducted numerous other interviews and analyzed various underwater databases to assist us. Our on-site team has a total of 35 members and we plan to deliver over 220 person-days of effort in the field. We are very excited about the Gertrude Tompkins Expedition, and have our fingers crossed that we can solve this great mystery.”

http://www.nj.com/independentpress/index.ssf/2009/09/65_years_after_disappearance_s.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 01, 2009, 09:14:17 AM
http://www.quota-setx.org/mission.html

Quota International Mission Statement

Quota's Objects, established in 1919 and revised in 1996, serve as Quota International's mission:

The business and objects of Quota International shall be to seek individuals of diverse occupations committed to sharing their time, talent, and resources to meet Quota International's service goals, and more particularly:

To serve country and community;

To promote high ethical standards;

To emphasize the dignity of all useful occupations;

To develop good fellowship and friendship; and

To advance the ideals of righteousness, justice, international understanding, and good will.

(Quota International Bylaws, Article II)

Well then.  Their recent actions would be a bit contrary to their Mission Statement.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 01, 2009, 09:28:55 AM
 ::MonkeyConfused::  My understanding of papi is pretty much nil.  is this saying the disappearance of Hogan is not being considered important?

And are they making that comparison to how Aruba handled Natalee's disappearance?

10/1/2009 Awe Mainta Page 23

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MiscNews12%20102009/10012009AweMaintaPg23.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

for odd cu can is desaparicion of vice consul mericano, do not important for medionan mericano

thing cu owing to wing very atencion ultimo day, t’e desaparicion of the vice consul mericano, staciona at corsow. is deal here of james hogan, for cual have very much speculacion. contrario at desaparicion of the student mericano, natalee holloway some year happen, where aruba owing to stay invadi for several medio of comunicación mericano, all the canalnan of television mericano, permiti for name of aruba wordo bad propaga, at corsow, seems cu they not have interest p’e desaparicion of the vice consul mericano here. at aruba, is surgi the question, pakico not have interest?

or the medionan of prensa mericano not know still? siendo cu departamento of estado is at height, for cual even autoridadnan hudicial of antiyas, is hayando asistencia of fbi, dea y also for of the netherlands, owing to send asistencia for busca the mericano here, that as menciona owing to desaparace in form misterioso. as menciona, have very speculacion y although till now here, autoridadnan is mantene the hipotesis of desaparicion, not have to exclui of one acto criminal. cometi for kende(nan)? esey also have to wordo investiga.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 09:42:41 AM
::MonkeyConfused::  My understanding of papi is pretty much nil.  is this saying the disappearance of Hogan is not being considered important?

And are they making that comparison to how Aruba handled Natalee's disappearance?

10/1/2009 Awe Mainta Page 23

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MiscNews12%20102009/10012009AweMaintaPg23.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

for odd cu can is desaparicion of vice consul mericano, do not important for medionan mericano

thing cu owing to wing very atencion ultimo day, t’e desaparicion of the vice consul mericano, staciona at corsow. is deal here of james hogan, for cual have very much speculacion. contrario at desaparicion of the student mericano, natalee holloway some year happen, where aruba owing to stay invadi for several medio of comunicación mericano, all the canalnan of television mericano, permiti for name of aruba wordo bad propaga, at corsow, seems cu they not have interest p’e desaparicion of the vice consul mericano here. at aruba, is surgi the question, pakico not have interest?

or the medionan of prensa mericano not know still? siendo cu departamento of estado is at height, for cual even autoridadnan hudicial of antiyas, is hayando asistencia of fbi, dea y also for of the netherlands, owing to send asistencia for busca the mericano here, that as menciona owing to desaparace in form misterioso. as menciona, have very speculacion y although till now here, autoridadnan is mantene the hipotesis of desaparicion, not have to exclui of one acto criminal. cometi for kende(nan)? esey also have to wordo investiga.


My understanding is that they're shocked that the press isn't all over this case like they were Natalee's.  In the second paragraph they are asking, does the American press not know?  And I took parts to ask, are they not interested?

Quite frankly, I don't understand it either.   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 01, 2009, 11:21:14 AM
Thanks TxMom, that certainly makes better sense than my understanding of it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would hope mr Hogan's family is contacting the US media?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Kermit

QUESTION 3:

When the following is considered ... what is your perspective of what took place during that two day period on board the Persistence following the ROV revelation on December 29, 2009 in regards to:


1.  John Silvetti
2.  Mos/Richardson
3.  Mark Purcell
4.  ATA/AHATA


1.  12/29/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV images.

Kyle Kingman:
I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.


2.  12/30/07 - Tim's reaction to the ROV dive images.

Kyle Kingman:
  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.


3.  12/30/07 - John Silvetti's reaction to Tim Miller following the ROV dive.

Kyle Kingman:
  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.


4.  01/01/08 - Tim Miller's sudden departure to pursue a false lead.

Kyle Kingman:
He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC (Nicaragua).


Thank you again Kermit.

Janet



Thanks for your response Kermit.

For now I only want to focus on the two days prior to Tim Miller's departure from the Persistence.

Am I understanding you correctly?  You believe that it may have been John Silvetti and the Aruban delegation on board the Persistence who made the decision that Tim Miller had to go and ... that decision was made on Deember 29/30, 2009 after Dave and Beth were contacted that he was 99% convinced that the ROV images revealed Natalee Holloway's remains.

Could it be that the Nicauara hoax was collaborated at this time and ... then Mark Purcell was contacted to relay the "tip" to Dave Holloway.  The involvement of Tim Miller was a given and ... the "liability" left the ship on January 1, 2009 ... six days prior to the recovery of Natalee's remains.

Janet
 

It was Kyle who said that he talked to Tim Miller the night before & they agreed about the images and the next morning Tim Miller and Dateline were gone off the boat. Kyle also said that John Silvetti said that Tim Miller was a liability.

I have no knowledge of who contacted Dave Holloway regarding the Nicaragua tip.
I only know what I have posted about Mark Purcells involvement.
I do know that Dave Holloway does follow up or has other people follow up on tips he receives.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 03:36:13 PM
Kermit

Thank you for your input ... both research and insight.  We may not be on the same page in all aspects and ... that is OK.  However ... I sincerely value your perspective.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I think we are OK for now but ... I will shout at the next impass.

Ribbit.

Janet


I'm trying hard to not give my perspective and just give you facts that I know and can produce evidence for that information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 03:37:41 PM
Quote
Hi Kermit!   ::MonkeySkate::

Yes, I think I've seen him here too... ::MonkeyWink::

Not positive it was him...but thought it might be one night very recently looking at the front page post about the rave caves...

Was the girl's name Caitlin (sp?)?

uh-huh

Country:Thailand  (Facts)
State/Region:Krung Thep
City:Bangkok
Search Words joran van der sloot




http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:cAqwkXqHZ64J:www.myspace.com/caitiekitten+caitie+kitten&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thank you Klassend, that is the girl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 03:50:31 PM

<snipped>

I am baffled that Beth, her brother, or Dave aren't up in arms. Surely they know of these revelations laid out here.

Wreck

Dave is not up in arms because he obviously does not believe that John Silvetti afforded the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of his daughter's remains.

However ... Beth does believe that there was a John Silvetti betrayal and ... therefore I can only assume that stuff addressing this issue is going on behind the scenes.

Private Eye?  I somehow believe this man who says it how it is ... does not hold back ... has been told to stifle for now.

Janet

+++++++


DAVE HOLLOWAY

Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


BETH HOLLOWAY

According to Jen ...


Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


PRIVATE EYE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 03:52:38 PM

I think that sums it up pretty well. (You all know that I have had that opinion from EARLY on -- though I never understood the depths of the deception until Kermit and a few others have clearly laid it out). I originally thought that our Government KNEW about this, but was sitting back and setting a trap for those involved. But, now after another 1 and 3/4 years -- I just don't have any faith anymore that justice is aaround the corner. I am baffled that Beth, her brother, or Dave aren't up in arms. Surely they know of these revelations laid out here.

Sorry wreck I tried to respond last night, but there were server problems.

The biggest problem is the underhanded deception that has been taking place not only in Aruba, but by others who got themselves involved along with the Arubans who are intentionally thwarting the case with false leads, lies and protecting the wrong people. As we pointed out one time about the deliberate lies to the family in order to protect Caps and his buddies with their pond hoax theory.

If crew members who were willing to spend time and money in their efforts to take ROV IMAGES to the executives of CBS etc and SELL them, without the family having any knowledge and then
out and out lie about it, how is the family suppose to know who they can believe or trust? They, just like all of us, were hoping that those crew members and Louis Schaefer were out of the goodness of their heart going to help them. They didn't know anything just as none of us did UNTIL we started getting proof of their actions in Aruba.

They have no idea Mark Purcell is buddies with Caps and Kawish. They just trust what that walrus tells them.

Believe me, I have been involved first hand with people who are mentioned in Beth's book where she is thanking them profusely for their help and guess what - I am the one they got the stuff from! Guess they did not tell Beth the truth! 

Like I stated before, the family trusts the wrong people.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 01, 2009, 03:55:44 PM

Private Eye?  I somehow believe this man who says it how it is ... does not hold back ... has been told to stifle for now.

corrrectomundo.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 04:03:48 PM
[quote author=Kermit link=topic=5922.msg965998#msg965998

It was Kyle who said that he talked to Tim Miller the night before & they agreed about the images and the next morning Tim Miller and Dateline were gone off the boat. Kyle also said that John Silvetti said that Tim Miller was a liability.

I have no knowledge of who contacted Dave Holloway regarding the Nicaragua tip.
I only know what I have posted about Mark Purcells involvement.
I do know that Dave Holloway does follow up or has other people follow up on tips he receives.


[/quote]

Thanks Kermit

Kyle Kingman own words clearly give the segence of events but ... do not reveal who was involved behind the scenes in the happenings encompassing the Nicaragua hoax ... the hoax that was successful in getting Tim Miller ... the liability ... off the Persistence prior to the January 1, 2009 recovery process of the trap.

Kermit ... I was interested to see if you had any insights regarding this issue.

I hope you are having a good day.

Ribbit.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 04:43:59 PM
SELF-EDIT

prior to the January 1, 2009 recovery S/B prior to the January 7, 2009 recovery


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63217.php

Google translation:

Distribution of seats unchanged after census

October 1, 2009, 14:20 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The results of the elections last Friday are now official. The distribution of seats remains unchanged, to the dismay of government party MEP now considering legal action.

The Select Council yesterday in a short time made a recount of all polling stations where complaints were received, including polling station number four, Cayena Kindergarten. The Amigoe yesterday it was erroneously listed as St. Aloysius College.

Under the watchful eye of representatives of all political parties and the Press found that, even after correction of some errors and the addition of the preference votes of four polling station, the office layout remains the same: AVP maintains its twelve seats, one seat remains Democracia Real MEP and stabbing remains at eight. "We have four local number of preferential votes counted and were exactly what the polling had been counted. There was no change. Changes there have been several other ballot boxes. These are the last few days also, on request of people, by staff from Censo changed ", said Hubert Maduro, President of the Electoral Council.

Today again, some minor adjustments made after election candidates had indicated that errors were made and these were actually found. Candidates have also complained that they lacked votes from certain premises. Maduro: "But nowhere could be found that those who vote actually have had."

50 votes
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) said during his press conference last Monday that his party would be six votes short to nine seats to achieve. This issue was during the recount of yesterday is not raised. Many of MEP-figures, including Marisol Lopez-Tromp, Aron Dino Junior Croes and Arends, was present yesterday at the recount. Arends said after the hearing that MEP would take legal action following the outcome. "We were told that in some polling indicating the vote was approved with a cross and not in others. Therefore we really let this inconsistency nachecken. Eventually our objections aside by the President and not treated. Even at a polling station was the vote on the first count other than after the counting of preference votes. This difference was about 50 votes. For all the doubts away, we asked for a recount. Again, our challenge is not accepted, "said Arends.

Choose President Maduro had this to say that in such case the counting of individual votes this error is corrected automatically. Arends: "Even people here have declared for a candidate to have voted, but the census showed that candidates had zero votes. That is impossible. It turns out that mistakes can and we want to be completely sure that the result is 100 percent reliable. "After the session vetrok the MEP delegation directly to the office of party lawyer Hendrik Croes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 06:07:29 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63214.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Boa cat strangling

October 1, 2009, 14:17 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/01-aruba-boa-eet-poes-2.gif)


ORANGE CITY - A snake yesterday in broad daylight, behind the bus station in the town, killed a white cat. Several bystanders witnessed the attack and wanted the cat to help out. The snake did not go and had the poor beast in an iron stranglehold. A short time later, all the air squeezed out of the cat and the animal died. The boa constrictor was about to devour its prey when park rangers arrived Arikok of nature. They knew the snake from his prey and took both to separate the living and the dead cat snake along. The boa was using the engine of a car can be carried or the animal could be escaping from a house where the animal was provided. World wide, stories of boas around cats and small dogs that attack and eat. Also on Aruba are warned, but the national park is barely that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blonde on October 01, 2009, 06:09:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63111.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Oduber: "Whoever promises, which should make"

September 29, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/29-aruba-persco-nel-oduber-.gif)


Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) sounded relaxed, but did not waver in his first press conference after the defeat of his party in recent elections. The Cabinet Oduber-IV, all preparations for abolition of the PDO, so the new government can draw and implement it directly.

"Tomorrow when the cabinet do I buy BBO off. I come with a bill for the procedure to start by November 1 so that the PDO is abolished. Because that is the promise that was made during the campaign. I have lost the elections because of the BBO and so do I buy it off. We have paid the price. "

Also, the Prime Minister in the state by 50 percent and raise the minimum wage up jacks. All measures AVP in its manifesto had promised. "Because I have not done these things during my government the people voted against me and my party last Friday." Oduber said to want to see how AVP in parliament to vote when their promised actions are effectively treated.

The contacts with the Netherlands allows Oduber to his successor. "I've Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) to know that I'm finished with them. They have part in this election. "The difficult negotiations with the hotel chain Ritz-Carlton and Fairmont Oduber leave behind. He challenges Mike Eman from the refinery by November 1st to get reopened. AVP was reportedly in negotiations with the Mexican oil company Pemex.

Recount
Oduber wants a recount of the votes, since only six votes short MEP would have been her ninth seat to achieve. He wants to investigate whether there actually disabled that they hold a voting card had been refused at the polling station. Also, the pencils used for unnecessary red spots on the ballot papers have provided. "If below shows that we indeed have lost clean, then we will respect the result." Oduber opposition promises to introduce "as never seen before."

He said to make government understand the AVP campaign promises and the protocol for the first 100 days that Mike Eman radio maker leoncita Arends has made honor. "We have a consignment stickers go with the text" Cumpli awor '(make it true, red) and a lot of exclamation marks. "Oduber addition to specifically ensure that ASF is not political appointments. "We were repeatedly criticized for Friends and Family helped us. Now we see what they do. "

Penalties
Nelson Oduber sounded during his speech that just under one hours often lasted flawless: "It is like sports. There is one days on which you must lose. "However this time the prime minister also congratulated the winning party does not. "I congratulate the Aruban people, irrespective of incidents that belong Once it went well." He pointed out that "very difficult" for third consecutive time to win an election. "You will face a lot of people who feel disadvantaged by a decision and your government is to punish. One third of the votes for the opponent was designed to punish us. "

The prime minister did not comment on whether anything will change in MEP following the defeat. "That we discuss this week in the party." He said shortly to go decide what his role will be within the party and of whether or not the opposition will take place. "After so many years I finally have mental peace. Give me, not that I beg, give me the chance not to be there and to get another title. I want to go among people, occasionally can swim and not be lived. I do not necessarily sit in parliament. I mouthpieces and my influence and wants to be everywhere. "



OK OK So did he win or loose


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 07:37:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63111.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Oduber: "Whoever promises, which should make"

September 29, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/29-aruba-persco-nel-oduber-.gif)


Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) sounded relaxed, but did not waver in his first press conference after the defeat of his party in recent elections. The Cabinet Oduber-IV, all preparations for abolition of the PDO, so the new government can draw and implement it directly.

"Tomorrow when the cabinet do I buy BBO off. I come with a bill for the procedure to start by November 1 so that the PDO is abolished. Because that is the promise that was made during the campaign. I have lost the elections because of the BBO and so do I buy it off. We have paid the price. "

Also, the Prime Minister in the state by 50 percent and raise the minimum wage up jacks. All measures AVP in its manifesto had promised. "Because I have not done these things during my government the people voted against me and my party last Friday." Oduber said to want to see how AVP in parliament to vote when their promised actions are effectively treated.

The contacts with the Netherlands allows Oduber to his successor. "I've Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) to know that I'm finished with them. They have part in this election. "The difficult negotiations with the hotel chain Ritz-Carlton and Fairmont Oduber leave behind. He challenges Mike Eman from the refinery by November 1st to get reopened. AVP was reportedly in negotiations with the Mexican oil company Pemex.

Recount
Oduber wants a recount of the votes, since only six votes short MEP would have been her ninth seat to achieve. He wants to investigate whether there actually disabled that they hold a voting card had been refused at the polling station. Also, the pencils used for unnecessary red spots on the ballot papers have provided. "If below shows that we indeed have lost clean, then we will respect the result." Oduber opposition promises to introduce "as never seen before."

He said to make government understand the AVP campaign promises and the protocol for the first 100 days that Mike Eman radio maker leoncita Arends has made honor. "We have a consignment stickers go with the text" Cumpli awor '(make it true, red) and a lot of exclamation marks. "Oduber addition to specifically ensure that ASF is not political appointments. "We were repeatedly criticized for Friends and Family helped us. Now we see what they do. "

Penalties
Nelson Oduber sounded during his speech that just under one hours often lasted flawless: "It is like sports. There is one days on which you must lose. "However this time the prime minister also congratulated the winning party does not. "I congratulate the Aruban people, irrespective of incidents that belong Once it went well." He pointed out that "very difficult" for third consecutive time to win an election. "You will face a lot of people who feel disadvantaged by a decision and your government is to punish. One third of the votes for the opponent was designed to punish us. "

The prime minister did not comment on whether anything will change in MEP following the defeat. "That we discuss this week in the party." He said shortly to go decide what his role will be within the party and of whether or not the opposition will take place. "After so many years I finally have mental peace. Give me, not that I beg, give me the chance not to be there and to get another title. I want to go among people, occasionally can swim and not be lived. I do not necessarily sit in parliament. I mouthpieces and my influence and wants to be everywhere. "



OK OK So did he win or loose


He lost, BIG TIME!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blonde on October 01, 2009, 07:46:33 PM
Thank God


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 01, 2009, 08:40:24 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer who tonight, in about 20 minutes:
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer100109.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2009, 11:57:04 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 12:04:33 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/search-vice-consul-hogan-stepped

Search for Vice Consul Hogan stepped up

Published on30 September 2009 - 3:16pm

Filed under: Curaçao James Hogan missing persons missing US vice consul Natalee Holloway Netherlands Antilles


The search for the missing US vice-consul James Hogan in Curacao has been stepped up. Two experts, one of them an FBI official, have been sent from the United States to join the investigation team on the Dutch Antilles island.

The Netherlands has supplied scuba divers and diving equipment for an underwater search in cooperation with the US navy. The Netherlands Forensic Institute is investigating traces of blood found on clothing that might have belonged to Mr Hogen. The clothing was found near Baya Beach.

The 49-year-old vice consul went missing on 24 September. His wife alerted the police on Friday morning after he failed to return from a walk the previous evening.

The police are keeping all options open. The case has been given top priority. The authorities are keen to solve the case after mistakes were made in the Natalee Holloway case. The US teenager went missing in 2005 on Aruba, another Dutch Antilles island. This case has never been solved in spite of an alleged confession caught on film.

(http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/favolist-3/images/lead/curacao_coastline_travellingPooh.jpg)
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 12:45:05 AM
A REMINDER

PRIVATE EYE - BETH HOLLOWAY'S BROTHER

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 02, 2009, 12:51:20 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 02, 2009, 02:23:21 AM
Kermit

Thank you for your input ... both research and insight.  We may not be on the same page in all aspects and ... that is OK.  However ... I sincerely value your perspective.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I think we are OK for now but ... I will shout at the next impass.

Ribbit.

Janet


I'm trying hard to not give my perspective and just give you facts that I know and can produce evidence for that information.

MHOO....
The persistence discovered the resting place of Natalee's remains....
aruba authorities already knew where the cage was...
the pond was a hoax, along with marco to get Tim M off the persistence...
silvetti, kyle, tim t, louis s.........AMERICAN TRAITORS...they violated Natalee and family and all donors that funded their effort to find Natalee....
The family trusts/trusted the wrong people....
The focus remains with the persistence traitors.......
Keep charging forward Janet....that is where the truth ls that may be the only hope for Justice for Natalee.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 02, 2009, 02:26:32 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.......we are not our enemies....stick together for Natalee.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 03:31:15 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.......we are not our enemies....stick together for Natalee.....


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 03:33:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)





Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 02, 2009, 08:03:15 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63214.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Boa cat strangling

October 1, 2009, 14:17 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/01-aruba-boa-eet-poes-2.gif)


ORANGE CITY - A snake yesterday in broad daylight, behind the bus station in the town, killed a white cat. Several bystanders witnessed the attack and wanted the cat to help out. The snake did not go and had the poor beast in an iron stranglehold. A short time later, all the air squeezed out of the cat and the animal died. The boa constrictor was about to devour its prey when park rangers arrived Arikok of nature. They knew the snake from his prey and took both to separate the living and the dead cat snake along. The boa was using the engine of a car can be carried or the animal could be escaping from a house where the animal was provided. World wide, stories of boas around cats and small dogs that attack and eat. Also on Aruba are warned, but the national park is barely that.

WTF!!!!!  :smt091 :smt092 :smt091 That poor cat was probably someones loving friend!!  Some child may learn of his/her pets demise by walking by the breakfast table and seeing that photo as his/her parents are reading the morning paper... beyond disgusting ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 02, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
OT

Heads up to texasmom and anyone following MP James Hogan's thread (US Consul-Curacao).  I posted and artlicle earlier and attempted to insert the link. There seems to be something strange happening because we found that we couldn't modify or reply.  Sent a note for it to be lookied into. 

Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 07:56:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63262.php

Google translation:

Official list MPs known

October 2, 2009, 13:40 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Electoral Council has the official list of elected parliamentarians announced. From these 21 MPs, besides the already published States President, soon seven to eight ministers from the AVP, possibly together with PDR, raised. They are then followed by the parliament in the next eight to nine people on the list that the party has submitted to the Electoral Council.

The list of new members of the States, in alphabetical order, as follows:

Andin Bikker (PDR),

Edison Briesen (MEP),

Paul Croes (AVP),

Mike de Meza (AVP),

Arthur Dower (AVP),

Mike Eman (AVP) ,

Michelle Hooijboer-Winklaar (AVP),

Andy Lee (AVP),

Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP),

Nelson Oduber (MEP),

Otmar Oduber (AVP),

Benny Sevinger (AVP),

Nilo Swaen (MEP),

Ady Thijsen ( MEP),

Alexander Tromp (AVP),

Clarisca Velasquez (AVP),

Richard Visser (AVP),

Evely Wever-Croes (MEP),

Booshi Wever (MEP),

Mervin Wyatt-Ras (MEP),

Juan David Yrausquin (AVP).

The next candidates on the list of ASF, who qualify for a seat after the first seven and a minister go and States are elected President Marlon Sneek, Desiree Croes, Kemp Lainda-Westerhof, Donny Rasmijn, Rene Herde, Chris Dammers and Melvin Tromp . Tromp falls off in the event that AVP PDR with a broad coalition will form. AVP could choose eight ministerial posts (and no coalition with PDR) then Lorna Varlack there. Should be Andin Bikker minister, Serge Mansur then takes his place in the States.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63259.php

Google translation:

ARUBA


Youth Nuisance starts at 10 years and older

October 2, 2009, 13:37 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/02-aruba-fcca-woningen-cura.gif)

For the study, there are 102 surveys collected from parents of children living in five different areas of social housing FCCA. One of the five districts was Cabay Cura.

ORANGE CITY - Children between six and ten years causing little disruption in the residential areas of social housing FCCA Foundation. The age in which children engage in negative behaviors that are light as criminals, is from ten to twelve years. This conclusion Irena Geerman Raynold Werleman in their research and a house into a home on the housing of FCCA.

Central to their research question was the inconvenience which children between six and twelve years residing in the areas of social FCCA cause. Now that fall to them at this age. "The problems appear only begin when young people leave school. Therefore we must act preventively and to all the infants and primary schools start. Because you can still work behavior, "said Irena Geerman (43). The most common offenses in children from ten to twelve years are physical violence, steal, graffiti, vandalism and revile each other, according to the study.

The main cause of the behavioral problems of youth nuisance and therefore the social area, is the education that parents give and the communication between them and the children. And often they do not even know it. "In a survey I asked parents how they felt that communication between them and their children were. 98 percent gave good and very good, while absolutely not true ", says Geerman which itself is 17 years mentor residents in the districts of FCCA is. "So many parents do not even know how - I love you - against their children should say, or a hug or a kiss on their foreheads to give. While that is just very important. "

No real period for children
The message of this research is like "let children be children and teach them values. The children in different neighborhoods appear to have no possibility namely to develop themselves. Moreover, the practice that many children are called key in the social housing estates. Geerman: "Children who stay home alone, do not get real time in their children's lives. They are quick to mature. Parents say: here's the key, go home and make sure you've finished eating. Without any supervision. And then they obviously mischief. Because negative attention is attention. "

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 09:21:11 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/10/nomber-di-ministronan-ta-conoci/


Original text:

 
Nomber di Ministronan pa Gobierno nobo ta conoci

Publication: Diabierna, 2 October 2009. Categoria: General

—ULTIMO ORA—

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diabierna atardi, lider di AVP, Mike Eman na su salida for di Oficina di Gobernador, a revela e nomber di esnan cu lo bay ocupa puesto di Ministro den e Gobierno nobo cu lo cuminza traha dia 1 di November venidero.
   
El a haci esey, despues di a tene un consulta cu Gobernador y a papia riba e asunto.  Fuera di esey, e dianan venidero, Mike Eman como formador lo bay ta reuni cu diferente gremio pa asina haya sa kico nan deseo ta, pa nan por traha nan programa di Gobierno.

(*) Prome Ministro y Asuntonan General ta bira Mike Eman mes.
(*) Ministro di Husticia, y Enseñanza ta bira mr. drs. Arthur Dowers.
(*) Ministro di Asunto Economico, Social, y Cultura ta Michelle Hooyboer-Winklaar.
(*) Ministro di Infrastructura, Obranan Publico y Medio Ambiente lo bira Benny Sevinger.
(*) Ministro di Salubridad y Deporte ta bira Richard Visser.
(*) Ministro di Finanzas y Servicionan di Estado ta bira Mike de Meza.
(*) Ministro di Turismo y Labor pa e Gobierno nobo ta bira Otmar Oduber.
(*) Ministro Plenipotenciario di Aruba na Hulanda ta bira Edwin Abath.
(*) Presidente di Parlamento ta bira mr. Andy Lee.
(*) Lider di fraccion di AVP den Staten ta bira Rene Herde.    Primi lesa mas
Ministerio di Transporte lo bay resorta bao di Mike de Meza y Otmar Oduber conhuntamente.
 Juan David Yrausquin, como tambe Paul Croes lo bay ta Parlamentario pa AVP.  Alex Tromp tambe lo keda como Parlamentario.  Lo tin di menciona ainda nomber di e Director di Aruba Huis, aunke tin rumor ta core cu e lo ta Desiree Croes.
  No a duna indicacion tampoco, bao cual Ministro, e asunto di DIMAS lo bay resorta.
   Segun Eman, e team ta bay bira uno solido pa proximo 4 aña.  A escoge e nombernan trempan, pa asina nan por orienta nan mes di awor caba pa asina nan por ta cla pa ora cu e fecha 1 November 2009 yega, nan por cuminza funciona mesora.
   Eman a splica cu na 2005, nan tabatin deseo pa Edwin Abath a bira Ministro Plenipotenciario na Hulanda, y awor na 2009 esey a bira realidad.  Abath tin e cualificacionnan pa haci esey, no obstante cu e no a forma parti den eleccion 2009 pa AVP.

Papiamentu translation:


name of ministronan for gobierno new is conoci

publication: diabierna, 2 october 2009.

categoria: general —ultimo ora—

oranjestad (aan): diabierna nightfall, leader of avp, mike eman at his exit for of office of governor, owing to revela the name of esnan cu will bay ocupa function of ministro in the gobierno new cu will cuminza work day 1 of november venidero.

past owing to haci esey, after of owing to as one consulta cu governor y owing to talk on the asunto. fuera of esey, the dianan venidero, mike eman because; formador will bay is reuni cu various gremio for so achieve know kico they desire is, for they can work they declaration of policy of gobierno.

(*) first ministro y asuntonan general is become mike eman self.

(*) ministro of husticia, y enseñanza is become mr. drs. arthur dowers.

(*) ministro of asunto economico, social, y cultura is michelle hooyboer- winklaar.

(*) ministro of infrastructura, work publico y medio ambiente will become benny sevinger.

(*) ministro of salubridad y sport is become richard visser.

(*) ministro of finanzas y servicionan of estado is become mike de meza.

(*) ministro of turism y job for her gobierno new is become otmar oduber.

(*) ministro plenipotenciario of aruba at the netherlands is become edwin abath.

(*) chairman of parliament is become mr. andy lee.

(*) leader of fraccion of avp in staten is become rene herde.

press read more ministerio of transporte will bay resorta bao of mike de meza y otmar oduber conhuntamente. juan david yrausquin, because; also paul croes will bay is member of parliament for avp. alex tromp also will stay because; member of parliament. will have of menciona still name of the director of aruba huis, although have rumor is core cu the will is desiree croes. not owing to give indicacion niether, bao cual ministro, the asunto of dimas will bay resorta. according eman, the team is bay become uno solido for proximo 4 year. owing to escoge the nombernan trempan, for so they can orienta they self of now end for so they can is cla for hour cu the date 1 november 2009 arrive, they can cuminza funciona at once. eman owing to splica cu at 2005, they had desire for edwin abath owing to become ministro plenipotenciario at the netherlands, y now at 2009 esey owing to become realidad. abath have the cualificacionnan for haci esey, not despite cu the not owing to form part in eleccion 2009 for avp.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 02, 2009, 09:59:41 PM
This is a little O/T but I find it so bizarre. Can you imagine opening a suitcase full of sandwichs and not thinking there is something wrong with the picture.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-19116--36-36--.html

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
caribbeannetnews.com

Suriname national arrested with 'cocaine sandwiches' at Dutch airport
Published on Friday, October 2, 2009

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AFP) -- Dutch police have arrested two people at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport for allegedly having hidden three kilograms (6.6 pounds) of cocaine in sandwiches, authorities said Thursday.

Inspectors found the drugs last week in 33 sandwiches in the luggage of the two, a 30-year-old man from Suriname and a Dutch woman, 56.

"With the unpacking of the sandwiches ... it transpired that they were not fit for consumption," said a military police statement. "They were filled with about 100 grams of cocaine each."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2009, 10:40:39 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/134.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:44:33 PM
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL BY JOHN SILVETTI


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 03, 2009, 12:12:30 AM
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL BY JOHN SILVETTI


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

It's pretty hard to refute Kyle's own words!! What are the C'NG/Goldmonkeys saying these days??????????????????????????????? They have been awful quiet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 01:26:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OIrRg4KsnI&feature=related

SBS6 HvN Dec 11 2008 -

The State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld want a thorough investigation into the role of former police commissioner Jan van der Straten.

He would have severely hampered the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

http://www.youtube.com/v/3OIrRg4KsnI&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 03, 2009, 01:51:08 AM
The turn over of mep to avp in the recent elections is the best opportunity for aruba to gain forward motion to improve the economic recovery wrt tourism.....
They (avp) has a short window of opportunity to launch an investigation of jan vs, paulass, rudy, om (jansen/mos) and nail the perps for all the world to see.....
That's all they need to do to dramatically improve their tourism! Show there is a housecleaning and make tourist feel safe, and they will return...
american traitors can be pursued by FBI and US agencies wrt fraud and any number of other violations......
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 02:20:10 AM
The turn over of mep to avp in the recent elections is the best opportunity for aruba to gain forward motion to improve the economic recovery wrt tourism.....
They (avp) has a short window of opportunity to launch an investigation of jan vs, paulass, rudy, om (jansen/mos) and nail the perps for all the world to see.....
That's all they need to do to dramatically improve their tourism! Show there is a housecleaning and make tourist feel safe, and they will return...
american traitors can be pursued by FBI and US agencies wrt fraud and any number of other violations......
 


I'm hoping we will see signs of all you've mentioned being put into motion very soon billb!
 
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 02:24:16 AM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)
Hope is the inexplicable empowerment that enables us to move successfully from challenge to resolution with courage....

It's the guarantee that there's light at the end of whatever tunnel we're trying to find our way through....

It's more than just wishful thinking....

It's more than just a feeling....



Beth Holloway 

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 03, 2009, 08:32:23 AM
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL BY JOHN SILVETTI


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

It's pretty hard to refute Kyle's own words!! What are the C'NG/Goldmonkeys saying these days??????????????????????????????? They have been awful quiet!

^^^^^
bump


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 12:05:43 PM
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL BY JOHN SILVETTI


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

It's pretty hard to refute Kyle's own words!! What are the C'NG/Goldmonkeys saying these days??????????????????????????????? They have been awful quiet!

^^^^^
bump

JMO wreck, it seems to be slow everywhere but I imagine they are all very busy in their little hideyholes deciding who will post what over at GM in the "to scared monkeys" thread.  That's about the only place there's been much activity from what I can tell.  Oh, Bastibro did come out from BNH long enough to post a Justice for Natalee picture at GM. (iirc that was in another thread)

Summary:
Concerted effort to discredit Kermit and SM...no surprise there.
Debbie and SS are so close that SS now speaks for Natalee's family too.
Spooky is the newest member over at GM.
Sam must miss SM, or she's just a glutton for punishment with her compliments and public thanks to Klaas and CBB.
Debbie made a mistake (well really two) in one of her posts and since it's still there I guess no one had the guts to mention it to her, imagine that!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Quote
Title: Re: To Scared Monkeys...
Post by: Debbie on September 30, 2009, 08:41:12 pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I point blank asked him... Dave, we you ever a Navy Seal.  His answer was NO, he was never in the military at all.

No idea about CnG.  Maybe someone else knows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 03, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/134.jpg)

 :smt089 Oh wow.... one I have never seen! Thanks!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 03, 2009, 02:26:47 PM
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL BY JOHN SILVETTI


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

It's pretty hard to refute Kyle's own words!! What are the C'NG/Goldmonkeys saying these days??????????????????????????????? They have been awful quiet!

^^^^^
bump

JMO wreck, it seems to be slow everywhere but I imagine they are all very busy in their little hideyholes deciding who will post what over at GM in the "to scared monkeys" thread.  That's about the only place there's been much activity from what I can tell.  Oh, Bastibro did come out from BNH long enough to post a Justice for Natalee picture at GM. (iirc that was in another thread)

Summary:
Concerted effort to discredit Kermit and SM...no surprise there.
Debbie and SS are so close that SS now speaks for Natalee's family too.
Spooky is the newest member over at GM.
Sam must miss SM, or she's just a glutton for punishment with her compliments and public thanks to Klaas and CBB.
Debbie made a mistake (well really two) in one of her posts and since it's still there I guess no one had the guts to mention it to her, imagine that!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Quote
Title: Re: To Scared Monkeys...
Post by: Debbie on September 30, 2009, 08:41:12 pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I point blank asked him... Dave, we you ever a Navy Seal.  His answer was NO, he was never in the military at all.

No idea about CnG.  Maybe someone else knows.

I guess they are all waiting around on the edge of their seats for the "new" ocean search by Silvetti!!!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blonde on October 03, 2009, 02:36:32 PM
You can tell in this picture he doesn't give a crap about Natalee
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/17968057.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 03, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
omg Blonde...the other day I was looking at this photo, as I have so many times in the past...and I thought >>>

He is so bored and he is saying yadda, yadda, yadda to himself.

I hate them all. They make me sick.  ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 03:08:45 PM
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL BY JOHN SILVETTI


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

It's pretty hard to refute Kyle's own words!! What are the C'NG/Goldmonkeys saying these days??????????????????????????????? They have been awful quiet!

^^^^^
bump

JMO wreck, it seems to be slow everywhere but I imagine they are all very busy in their little hideyholes deciding who will post what over at GM in the "to scared monkeys" thread.  That's about the only place there's been much activity from what I can tell.  Oh, Bastibro did come out from BNH long enough to post a Justice for Natalee picture at GM. (iirc that was in another thread)

Summary:
Concerted effort to discredit Kermit and SM...no surprise there.
Debbie and SS are so close that SS now speaks for Natalee's family too.
Spooky is the newest member over at GM.
Sam must miss SM, or she's just a glutton for punishment with her compliments and public thanks to Klaas and CBB.
Debbie made a mistake (well really two) in one of her posts and since it's still there I guess no one had the guts to mention it to her, imagine that!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Quote
Title: Re: To Scared Monkeys...
Post by: Debbie on September 30, 2009, 08:41:12 pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I point blank asked him... Dave, we you ever a Navy Seal.  His answer was NO, he was never in the military at all.

No idea about CnG.  Maybe someone else knows.

I guess they are all waiting around on the edge of their seats for the "new" ocean search by Silvetti!!!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.wolfescape.com/Humour/MedThumbs/WaitingSuspendedAnimation.gif)

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 04:54:01 PM
http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf


ARUBA

Crime September 25 – October 1

On September 25 a tourist was robbed by two men in Oranjestad. On the same evening, home owners in De Vuyst were robbed and injured by several men who broke into their home. On September 28, a Chinese supermarket in Rooi Koochi was robbed by a teenager. The suspect was later arrested. Two days later, the proprietor of a car rental company in Oranjestad was robbed by two masked men when he opened his store. The victim was beaten and tied, and the office was ransacked (Diario Aruba, Awe Mainta, Extra).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 04:54:56 PM

<snipped>

Debbie and SS are so close that SS now speaks for Natalee's family too.

<snipped>

.


Maybe Dave Holloway does not YET realize that his new spokesperson at one time had the John Silvetti betrayal figured out perfectly.

Janet

++++++

-SS NOVEMBER/DECEMBER, 2008

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 


Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »


1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »


Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Mansurs own the mineral rights on the ocean floor?  They own 80% of the island.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if they own the mineral rights under the ocean shelf.  Translated that means whoever owns the mineral rights makes money off of every barrel of oil that is brought to the surface and John Silvetti had just finished the geological survey to determine where to place the off shore wells.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546590#msg546590


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »


Oil in that area of the Carribbean is touchy because of Chavez.  He owns everything.  The US needs allys with oil.  Is that why they have been easy on Aruba?  They didn't want the world to know that they planning off shore exploration and drilling.  Another factor was probably money.  Geological exploration is expensive.  Silvetti's company was just about bankrupt.  Wouldn't it be nice to have all of those mapping expenses written off because it was done for the purpose of searching for the body of a missing American woman.  Their survey was done for a nonprofit organization.  How magnanimous.  Crappy Island will be a boom town if they drill for oil and find it and the Mansurs will greatly increase their fortune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.320


SSS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #726 on: December 06, 2008, 04:23:52 PM »


I agree with you, Janet.  I thought a lot about it last night, after I finally had to turn my computer off and just think.  In his heart, I'm sure that Tim Miller believed what he had seen or he wouldn't have said, Bull$hit with the thumbs down.  However, he had no control over all of that pphotographic equipment and perhaps he was only being shown what they wanted him to see.  There was a very good reason why they had to get him off of Persistence before January 7th.  I don't think that Dave or Tim would have gone to Nicaragua if they didn't think it was a viable lead.  I wonder if ALE are the ones who set it all up as another one of their infamous diversion tactics

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569218#msg569218


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


Blue Moon - great reference!  I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »


Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #678 on: December 06, 2008, 01:52:46 PM »


I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.  This story is getting sicker by the day.  How could they just hand all of that evidence over to ALE and deny that they had found anything???  And, sit silently by when our FBI was sent a piece of nothing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569137#msg569137
__________


Dialogue - SS and Tamikosmom:


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #755 on: November 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM »


I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556201#msg556201
 

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #774 on: November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM »


I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.

Thanks SS.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556243#msg556243


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »


Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 05:13:04 PM
http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/Actueel/Nieuwsberichten/2009/09/Verhagen_bedankt_Thailand_voor_gratie


Verhagen thanked Thailand for clemency

News | September 26, 2009 | Thailand

Minister Verhagen has his Thai colleague Kasit Piromya thanked for granting clemency to a Dutch prisoner.

The Ministers (Foreign Affairs) spoke together today during the General Assembly in New York. Verhagen argues these days with more than twenty colleagues from different parts of the world.

The Dutchman had on a heavy prison sentence given to the Dutch standards for relatively minor offense of drug trafficking.

"Our embassies in Thailand and elsewhere, do their utmost to Dutch who need help," Verhagen said: "I am pleased that this outcome has been. But we must realize that pardon is an exception. "

Dutch people abroad are held for drug trafficking, are the law of the country. Abroad possession of drugs is punished much harder than in the Netherlands.

There are currently 2462 Dutch in foreign prisons, and their number is still growing. More than 75 percent of them is a sentence for crimes related to the smuggling of drugs.



I have to wonder what made that one worthy of seeking clemency for, and if Joran might be in the same category.

 :2thinky:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 05:18:22 PM



I doubt VERY seriously that anything SS is saying comes directly from Dave Holloway.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 08:40:15 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Nataleeqqq.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 03, 2009, 08:59:50 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75098


An Aruban will decide for the Olympic city in 2016
Nicole Hoevertsz (Aruban) Has Two Favorites, But Will Decide At The Last Presentation
.



October 2nd 2009, Denmark/Aruba.


COPENHAGEN/ORANJESTAD-Nicole Hoevertz, a former Aruban athlete, and member of the International
Olympic Committee since 2006, is one of the members who will cast a vote today for the city that they
believe has the right to host the Olympic Games in 2016. Four cities are competing aggressively against
each other to win the bid to host the Games, they include Rio de Janeiro, Madrid, Tokyo, and Chicago. It
is the first time that an Aruban will vote for a city to host the Olympic Games. "It is amazing that a
country of just over 100,000 people like Aruba has an equal voice as members from countries with 100
million or even 256 million people, Hoevertsz said."

Hoevertsz met with First Lady Michelle Obama who is supporting the bid of Chicago. The encounter with
Mrs. Obama was very pleasant, she is clearly passionate about Chicago. Hoevertsz gave the U.S. First
Lady an Aruban pin. Mrs. Obama told Hoevertsz that she heard the elections were recently held on the
island. It is an indication that the U.S. first family is well aware on what is going on in a small country like
Aruba.

Hoevertsz also met with Queen Sofia of Spain who is supporting the Madrid bid. She later met with
Brazilian soccer legend, Pele, who supports Rio de Janeiro. Hoevertsz said she has two favorite cities in
mind, her final decision will be based on the best presentation of all 4 cities.

The winning city to host the Olympic Games in 2016 will be announced today at 18:30hours Danish time.
Rio de Janeiro and Chicago are seen as the favorites to win. Little over 100 members of the IOC will vote
today. Every vote is important, London barely won from Paris for the right to host the Olympic Games in
2012.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 09:52:34 PM



I doubt VERY seriously that anything SS is saying comes directly from Dave Holloway.

JMO

That is not what I implied.  Just the opposite.  Read my post again please.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63324.php

Google translation:

Formation Cabinet official Mike Eman

October 3, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-aruba-mike_ar_.gif)
 
Mike Eman, along with supporters, just after his conversation with the governor.

ORANGE CITY - faster than many had expected, AVP-leader Mike Eman yesterday submitted its list of ministers to Governor Fredis Refunjol. These appointed him with forming a cabinet and asked him to form the next years to come "a social and administrative climate, which focuses on cooperation and social cohesion".

In the exploratory mandate to the governor also calls attention to 'structural measures to promote economic growth and consolidation of public finances "(continued on page 3).
Eman made yesterday the government also publicly format. The portfolios are as follows: Arthur Dower is Minister of Justice and Education, Infrastructure and Environment will Sevinger Benny and Michelle Winklaar is Minister of Economic Affairs, Social Affairs and Culture. Otmar Oduber gets Tourism and Labor Affairs, Mike Meza is the Minister of Finance, Transportation and Utilities and Richard Visser finally get the Sport and Health portfolios. Mike Eman is Prime Minister of General Affairs. The new green majority in the Legislature supports the reciting of Andy Lee as State President. Rene is Fractievoorzitter Herde. Abath Edwin, who was not on the electoral list, the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands. Initially this post was offered to Paul Croes, but he pointed it off. Eman: "There are those who say that abroad you can develop your political career and there are others who say that you just have to do close to home. He has taken the latter approach. "Croes Paul goes to the States.

"In the last few days and in anticipation we felt important to the college of ministers and members of the States to form the next month because we want to use the table to sit with the social partners and organizations. We wanted this as soon as possible behind them so as to focus on the content. We also play for time, so the prospective ministers to prepare for their mission, "the brand new formateur the rapid formation of the cabinet.

In the past week there was speculation about a possible coalition with PDR who won a seat in the election. Eman: "From the moment the elections were behind, I looked at the possibilities for a coalition with Democracia Real. But there was not enough to support within the party. However, there is much support for the idea that yet another group Democracia Real than that of MEP. Of course we must wait to see if that really is, but there certainly AVP within the idea of the ideas Democracia Real, which largely correspond to those of us, a place to give our policy. "

In the coming months are the ministers in waiting in the old Board Office. "We are accessible and ready to make work. It is in a deplorable state, but we invite everyone to come on weekends to get a hand to help clean up. "The next three weeks, the formateur there in conversation with the social partners that he invites. "In the coming weeks, we want more offices in the building ready for the other ministers so that at least a large part of the Ministers in the Government Office work", said Eman.


Transfer
The still reigning Cabinet Oduber wants to say before its transfer to leave a bed spread for the next government by including the elimination of BBO and increasing the welfare and the minimum wage. Eman: "All they do as we wish, it would be nice. Then we get to the end of the government still a bit bi-partisanship. Though I do not think it was their intention. "ASF leader says a letter sent to the government and have asked the governor to ensure that the transfer of tasks and issues as smooth as possible. "As in other, more mature countries is common." He expects "frankly" not that this will be met by the government.

Eman also denies the charge of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber that the Mike Meza, Otmar Oduber and Benny Sevinger because current justice issues were not Ministry table. "The formation process is a roadmap which include the formateur, along with the governor and with the help of all security documents and all records of the candidate ministers nakijkt. I know them all and I am not one who would not correct. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 11:06:24 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75098


An Aruban will decide for the Olympic city in 2016
Nicole Hoevertsz (Aruban) Has Two Favorites, But Will Decide At The Last Presentation
.



October 2nd 2009, Denmark/Aruba.


COPENHAGEN/ORANJESTAD-Nicole Hoevertz, a former Aruban athlete, and member of the International
Olympic Committee since 2006, is one of the members who will cast a vote today for the city that they
believe has the right to host the Olympic Games in 2016. Four cities are competing aggressively against
each other to win the bid to host the Games, they include Rio de Janeiro, Madrid, Tokyo, and Chicago. It
is the first time that an Aruban will vote for a city to host the Olympic Games. "It is amazing that a
country of just over 100,000 people like Aruba has an equal voice as members from countries with 100
million or even 256 million people, Hoevertsz said."

Hoevertsz met with First Lady Michelle Obama who is supporting the bid of Chicago. The encounter with
Mrs. Obama was very pleasant, she is clearly passionate about Chicago. Hoevertsz gave the U.S. First
Lady an Aruban pin. Mrs. Obama told Hoevertsz that she heard the elections were recently held on the
island. It is an indication that the U.S. first family is well aware on what is going on in a small country like
Aruba.

Hoevertsz also met with Queen Sofia of Spain who is supporting the Madrid bid. She later met with
Brazilian soccer legend, Pele, who supports Rio de Janeiro. Hoevertsz said she has two favorite cities in
mind, her final decision will be based on the best presentation of all 4 cities.

The winning city to host the Olympic Games in 2016 will be announced today at 18:30hours Danish time.
Rio de Janeiro and Chicago are seen as the favorites to win. Little over 100 members of the IOC will vote
today. Every vote is important, London barely won from Paris for the right to host the Olympic Games in
2012.


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63322.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Hoevertsz meets Barack Obama

October 3, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-aruba-nicole-hoevertsz-m.gif)


ORANGE CITY / COPENHAGEN - The president of the United States Barack Obama was briefly in Copenhagen yesterday to lobby for the candidacy of the city of Chicago for the Olympic Games of 2016. His arrival was to no avail, the members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) chose the Brazilian city of Rio de Janeiro. It is the first time that the Olympic Games held in South America. The present Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said proudly after the profits of 'his city'. The present also Nicole Hoevertsz of the Aruban Olympic Committee (COA) yesterday got the chance a few words with President Obama to share with him the picture. He was very kind and patient, told Hoevertsz end.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 11:11:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63321.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Formation Governor Mission: Work together and be vigorous

October 3, 2009, 13:44 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-aruba-mike-en-refunjol.gif)

Party leader Mike Eman (AVP) was yesterday in an interview with Governor Fredis Refunjol formal request to form a cabinet that can count on the support of a majority in the Legislature.

ORANGE CITY - Governor Fredis Refunjol asks in his contract formation formateur Mike Eman attention to "the need for an administrative environment focused on collaboration and cohesion". In addition, also "structural measures" be taken to promote economic growth and improve public finances. Refunjol Eman has sought to "the public interest in a government which is prepared for the development of Aruba to invest in a number of preconditions". Which would be exactly the preconditions is not yet published. The governor, the principles of democratic law and general principles of good governance to guide the form "a vigorous and transparent government". "It should create a safe society with prospects for independent entrepreneurs and responsible citizens to provide the basis for further development," said the press release from the Office of the Governor.

Refunjol indicates that further development is not a simple task, given the current economic situation and prospects in the coming years. "It is therefore appropriate that the attention paid to another government measures to restore economic growth. Simultaneously, public finances through structural measures in the coming term of office should be restructured. "The governor asked Eman" to themselves well informed of the progress of the Land ". He also asked the formateur to join the preparation of nominations to appoint the ministers' method as described in the decision of the Council of Ministers on September 9, 2009 for appointment of ministers to follow. Whether this relates directly to the allegations by Prime Minister Oduber on whether or not Ministry table of some potential future members of the Cabinet, is still unclear.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 03, 2009, 11:18:32 PM
Another take on the elections.

http://www.arubalife.net/governing-party-losses-blames-valero/

Governing Party Losses, Blames Valero
Topic: Energy, Politics
A day after the general elections in Aruba, with devastating results for the governing party, the resigning Prime Minister of Aruba put the blame for the strong defeat at The Netherlands government and Valero CEO for meddling in internal affairs.

Just a few day before the general elections Valero Aruba Refinery owner, Valero Energy Corp., based in San Antonio, Texas, USA, decided to shut down the facility and send home a lot of sub-contractors and staff.

Naturally this isn’t something that did the resigning administration any favors. In fact, I have called out Valero for the timing and doubtful role it has played in all of this. It smells bad.

The resigning PM insists that the new PM is going to give in to all the demands by Valero or any other oil giant, including renewing of a viscous tax-holiday, unlimited polution, unlimited influx of cheap labor and zero import duties an all merchandise for Valero. Meanwhile medium and small business owners still need to comply to all tax regulations.

I’m not as viscous as the resigning PM, however I’m certainly going to keep an eye on what’s going to happen in the next few months and I will call anyone out on this topic.

By the way it’s a bit insulting by the resigning PM to claim the above for its defeat. Don’t insult people’s intelligence. There are many other reasons as to why people decided to go into another direction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 03, 2009, 11:50:26 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63318.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Tackling nuisance FCCA districts

October 3, 2009, 13:39 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-aruba-geslaagd-boezem-en.gif)


Irena Geerman (left) and Raynold Werleman (center) in presenting their report, "From a house to a home".

ORANGE CITY - "I want the problems of youth are less. These parents should be helped first. They must realize that the wrong, accept that they have made a mistake and are trying to work, "says Irena Geerman (43) following its investigation into ways to combat youth nuisance in the neighborhoods with housing for FCCA. The study was Geerman with Raynold Werleman.

by our reporter
Mariska Bechis

Central to their research question was the inconvenience which children between six and twelve years residing in the housing cause. Now it appears to fall into the nuisance at this age. Children between six and ten years for example, cause under investigation little inconvenience. The age in which children engage in crime is slight between ten to twelve years. Moreover, as the researchers conclude in their report, is the biggest cause of the behavior of youth, the education that parents give and the communication between them and the children.

Now the causes of youth nuisance are investigated, Geerman to tackle the problems which they have almost seventeen years as a caregiver to residents FCCA's central concerns. In total, eleven o'clock the study recommendations. These include cooperation is central. "I insist that cooperation between the FCCA and other bodies should be improved. Cooperation in recent years is not longer so overwhelming. This should be restored and strengthened. "It is also noteworthy that the survey shows that 97 percent of the surveyed residents preventive programs are needed. Doing so they prefer more individual assistance and support groups. "This is why FCCA to parents and youth to offer." Courses provide here is not an option, because "parents need immediate attention when it comes to questions surrounding the education of their child.

Own district
It is also important when starting a project housing to ensure that the overall infrastructure has been arranged in advance. "Street lighting is essential to prevent vandalism and increase the sense of neighborhood safety." Moreover, a "neighborhood club" in which professionals work, of crucial importance. According Geerman this would contribute to minimizing inconvenience among youth. "And people encourage themselves to find solutions for recreational and figure out what can be created. This not only bring you close together, but also the parents and children. Even a movie night organizing has been good. "The problem is that resources should be first. "So they finally nicer feel in their own neighborhood."

Geerman suggests, moreover, for a property seeker first 'screen', to the livability of the residential areas to improve. "A variety of people and not large, has a positive impact on the livability of a neighborhood," she explains from. Furthermore, the housing seeker to follow a compulsory course of about four lessons before the key is handed over. "Possible topics include home cleaning, good living with your neighbors, budgeting and the like. I did not examine whether people would open there, but they need just when they are interested in a house. "

Voluntary
Irena Geerman do not know how she plans to implement these plans. She hopes soon to present research in FCCA and once the new minister of Social Affairs and Infrastructure is in his or her place, she will also report to that person offer. Meanwhile, she continued to volunteer as "re-education of parents. "From next year I intend to work with teachers of primary schools and kindergartens to watch children with behavioral problems. I will approach parents and ask if they need guidance in education and at all but see the problems themselves. I will then encourage them to seek help. "One thing, according to her 100 percent certain:" I let it sit for an examination, but this certainly go further. "

This was the article in Awe Mainta from 9/12/09   ::MonkeyWink::

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/RMVrolijk09082009_AweMaintaPg19-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 12:24:02 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 04, 2009, 12:26:44 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 12:28:38 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

I remembered the minute I saw you, before you even posted it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 04, 2009, 12:39:26 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 04, 2009, 12:44:42 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



TM,
How can we find Arubans that have ever participated in the Olympics?
I have googled and googled.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 12:59:49 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



That's what I remember too, also iirc someone (I don't recall who now) even mentioned that in their research they came across a Dave/David Holloway that was a Navy Seal but it wasn't the same Dave Holloway.  I remember thinking that is probably what caused some confusion.

We all make mistakes, I usually notice mine the minute I post something.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm sure I've missed some of my own along the way.  Debbie is the only poster that I recall thinking "wow, what a meanie!" when she pointed out the mistake of a monkey here.  So, I took the opportunity to correct her!

  ::MonkeyWitch1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 01:01:36 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



TM,
How can we find Arubans that have ever participated in the Olympics?
I have googled and googled.

I recall seeing articles in Amigoe about some over time.  But I'm not sure how far back you can search there.  I'll see what I can find.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 04, 2009, 01:17:10 AM
I think they participated as the Netherland Antillies prior to 1988.

I remember back at the beginning of this case that it was posted on Reill's forum
that Dilma Arends was in the Olympics, but was disqualified because of drugs.
They called her "Doping Dilma".  I was trying to find info on that.
I am sure her name was not Arends at that time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 01:20:19 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



TM,
How can we find Arubans that have ever participated in the Olympics?
I have googled and googled.

This is the guy that I've seen a lot of articles about in Amigoe, he's actually from Curacao'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churandy_Martina

Here's a few links.  Hope they help!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm thinking they have probably competed as the Netherland Antilles in the past.

http://www.databasesports.com/olympics/index.htm

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/athletes?name=&country_codes=ARU&us_sport_codes=

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/ARU/Jan+Roodzant/8004544

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/ARU/Fiderd+Vis/8004600




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 04, 2009, 01:20:37 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



That's what I remember too, also iirc someone (I don't recall who now) even mentioned that in their research they came across a Dave/David Holloway that was a Navy Seal but it wasn't the same Dave Holloway.  I remember thinking that is probably what caused some confusion.

We all make mistakes, I usually notice mine the minute I post something.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm sure I've missed some of my own along the way.  Debbie is the only poster that I recall thinking "wow, what a meanie!" when she pointed out the mistake of a monkey here.  So, I took the opportunity to correct her!

  ::MonkeyWitch1::

Well, I have never made a mistake. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 01:22:07 AM
I think they participated as the Netherland Antillies prior to 1988.

I remember back at the beginning of this case that it was posted on Reill's forum
that Dilma Arends was in the Olympics, but was disqualified because of drugs.
They called her "Doping Dilma".  I was trying to find info on that.
I am sure her name was not Arends at that time.

Very interesting!  Now I'll be digging too!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 01:27:40 AM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



That's what I remember too, also iirc someone (I don't recall who now) even mentioned that in their research they came across a Dave/David Holloway that was a Navy Seal but it wasn't the same Dave Holloway.  I remember thinking that is probably what caused some confusion.

We all make mistakes, I usually notice mine the minute I post something.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm sure I've missed some of my own along the way.  Debbie is the only poster that I recall thinking "wow, what a meanie!" when she pointed out the mistake of a monkey here.  So, I took the opportunity to correct her!

  ::MonkeyWitch1::

Well, I have never made a mistake. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 04, 2009, 01:28:15 AM
Thanks for all the links.  I will look more too.
Eyes are getting very heavy....must sleep.
Good night ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 01:34:17 AM
I think they participated as the Netherland Antillies prior to 1988.

I remember back at the beginning of this case that it was posted on Reill's forum
that Dilma Arends was in the Olympics, but was disqualified because of drugs.
They called her "Doping Dilma".  I was trying to find info on that.
I am sure her name was not Arends at that time.

Very interesting!  Now I'll be digging too!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Maybe she was on a team from Holland?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dilma-arends-geerman/7/8A5/AB

Dilma Arends Geerman’s Education

Radboud Universiteit Nijmegen
1981 — 1983


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 01:35:25 AM
Thanks for all the links.  I will look more too.
Eyes are getting very heavy....must sleep.
Good night ::MonkeyKiss::

Good night Magnolia!  Sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 04, 2009, 02:13:06 AM
I missed Magnolia?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hopefully she'll find this tomorrow!   ::MonkeyDance::

Her Summer boat ride has turned to Fall and look out........  I think it's the ghost trial!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Happy Halloween, Magnolia!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/magnolia.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/magnolia.gif

Hi TM!! I was hoping to get here before you closed the thread for the night. I love the faithful way you keep the hope of justice for Natalee alive! 

Still standing with the Girl!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 04, 2009, 02:15:01 AM
I'm thinkin' that any Arubans in the Olympics is on the same level as the "Jamaican Bob Sled team" !  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on October 04, 2009, 02:24:42 AM
Goodnight texasmom....!

Thanks for all of the information - here and on the James Hogan thread.


Nice soft bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 02:28:04 AM
I missed Magnolia?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Hopefully she'll find this tomorrow!   ::MonkeyDance::

Her Summer boat ride has turned to Fall and look out........  I think it's the ghost trial!   ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Happy Halloween, Magnolia!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/magnolia.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/magnolia.gif

Hi TM!! I was hoping to get here before you closed the thread for the night. I love the faithful way you keep the hope of justice for Natalee alive! 

Still standing with the Girl!!!

Hi CBB...I was off looking for Doping Dilma!   ::MonkeyDevil::

That sure is a skeery avi you made for Magnolia!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Thank you for taking such good care of all of us for every season and every holiday!  I know it's a lot of work, and appreciate your taking the time to dress us all up!

Thanks for the compliment too, CBB...  ::MonkeyKiss::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 02:31:00 AM
Goodnight texasmom....!

Thanks for all of the information - here and on the James Hogan thread.


Nice soft bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Good night Mere, sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 02:36:27 AM
I'm thinkin' that any Arubans in the Olympics is on the same level as the "Jamaican Bob Sled team" !  ::MonkeyDevil::


  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 02:38:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on October 04, 2009, 02:43:57 AM
I'm thinkin' that any Arubans in the Olympics is on the same level as the "Jamaican Bob Sled team" !  ::MonkeyDevil::

I forgot about them, but they were hilarious!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on October 04, 2009, 02:49:02 AM
Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.


That's what I remember too, also iirc someone (I don't recall who now) even mentioned that in their research they came across a Dave/David Holloway that was a Navy Seal but it wasn't the same Dave Holloway.  I remember thinking that is probably what caused some confusion.

We all make mistakes, I usually notice mine the minute I post something.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm sure I've missed some of my own along the way.  Debbie is the only poster that I recall thinking "wow, what a meanie!" when she pointed out the mistake of a monkey here.  So, I took the opportunity to correct her!

  ::MonkeyWitch1::
Kermit did, IMO inadvertently, indicate that Dave had been a Navy Seal.   I think Kermit made an honest mistake because of the "other" Dave Holloway that was a Navy Seal..

Like TM said, we all make mistakes.  The difference is that at SM we don't magically "erase" those mistakes.  We own up to them and move on...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on October 04, 2009, 02:52:37 AM
TM - thank you for bringing the news to us each day, and for ending each day with a pictorial tribute.

I'm off to find "Doping Dilma".  Good night, and G'Day to the morning monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 03:02:25 AM
Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.


That's what I remember too, also iirc someone (I don't recall who now) even mentioned that in their research they came across a Dave/David Holloway that was a Navy Seal but it wasn't the same Dave Holloway.  I remember thinking that is probably what caused some confusion.

We all make mistakes, I usually notice mine the minute I post something.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm sure I've missed some of my own along the way.  Debbie is the only poster that I recall thinking "wow, what a meanie!" when she pointed out the mistake of a monkey here.  So, I took the opportunity to correct her!

  ::MonkeyWitch1::
Kermit did, IMO inadvertently, indicate that Dave had been a Navy Seal.   I think Kermit made an honest mistake because of the "other" Dave Holloway that was a Navy Seal..

Like TM said, we all make mistakes.  The difference is that at SM we don't magically "erase" those mistakes.  We own up to them and move on...


Exactly!   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 03:07:29 AM
TM - thank you for bringing the news to us each day, and for ending each day with a pictorial tribute.

I'm off to find "Doping Dilma".  Good night, and G'Day to the morning monkeys!

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyCool::

I sure hope one of us can find her!    ::MonkeyWitch1::

Good night Sleuth, it's always good to see you!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 04:59:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 04, 2009, 12:45:19 PM
I haven't heard any mention of Dave Holloway's Navy Seal training and connections being valuable in search for Natalee, no matter where in the world she may be.
Posted by: Janice | Saturday, November 19, 2005 at 08:49 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_57.ht


It appears that I am not the only person who heard an interview wherein Dave Holloway said
he was a Navy Seal.

Now considering the source of the Navy Seal information being Mary Poppins just consider the source:
Mark Purcell ....> Reality....> Debbie
Mark Purcell.....> RV (Caps)
Kawish............> RV (Caps)
RV (Caps)........> Lorenzo Webb, Geerman
Mark Purcell.....> Julia Renfro.......> Margarite Wever.......> Rosalie Klien
Mark Purcell.....> Reality....> Debbie.....> Robin Holloway.....> Dave Holloway......> John Silvetti
......>RV (Caps)......> Cylde Burke........>
Mark Purcell.....> Reality ......> Anita van der Sloot .......>Jan Brennan (Medly aka billybob)

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 04, 2009, 12:47:12 PM
I haven't heard any mention of Dave Holloway's Navy Seal training and connections being valuable in search for Natalee, no matter where in the world she may be.
Posted by: Janice | Saturday, November 19, 2005 at 08:49 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_57.html

It appears that I am not the only person who heard an interview wherein Dave Holloway said
he was a Navy Seal.

Now considering the source of the Navy Seal information being Mary Poppins just consider the source:
Mark Purcell ....> Reality....> Debbie
Mark Purcell.....> RV (Caps)
Kawish............> RV (Caps)
RV (Caps)........> Lorenzo Webb, Geerman
Mark Purcell.....> Julia Renfro.......> Margarite Wever.......> Rosalie Klien
Mark Purcell.....> Reality....> Debbie.....> Robin Holloway.....> Dave Holloway......> John Silvetti
......>RV (Caps)......> Cylde Burke........>
Mark Purcell.....> Reality ......> Anita van der Sloot .......>Jan Brennan (Medly aka billybob)

 

IS THERE A PATTERN THERE FOLKS?
 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 12:48:28 PM

Hi Kermit!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/kermitdance.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
I haven't heard any mention of Dave Holloway's Navy Seal training and connections being valuable in search for Natalee, no matter where in the world she may be.
Posted by: Janice | Saturday, November 19, 2005 at 08:49 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_57.html


It appears that I am not the only person who heard an interview wherein Dave Holloway said
he was a Navy Seal.

Now considering the source of the Navy Seal information being Mary Poppins just consider the source:
Mark Purcell ....> Reality....> Debbie
Mark Purcell.....> RV (Caps)
Kawish............> RV (Caps)
RV (Caps)........> Lorenzo Webb, Geerman
Mark Purcell.....> Julia Renfro.......> Margarite Wever.......> Rosalie Klien
Mark Purcell.....> Reality....> Debbie.....> Robin Holloway.....> Dave Holloway......> John Silvetti
......>RV (Caps)......> Cylde Burke........>
Mark Purcell.....> Reality ......> Anita van der Sloot .......>Jan Brennan (Medly aka billybob)

 

Thanks Kermit!

(The last two letters of your link got cut off somehow, so I added them in this response so it would work.  Hopefully one of our super mods will see this and fix them for you!  TIA)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 04, 2009, 01:05:13 PM
I haven't heard any mention of Dave Holloway's Navy Seal training and connections being valuable in search for Natalee, no matter where in the world she may be.
Posted by: Janice | Saturday, November 19, 2005 at 08:49 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_57.html


It appears that I am not the only person who heard an interview wherein Dave Holloway said
he was a Navy Seal.

Now considering the source of the Navy Seal information being Mary Poppins just consider the source:
Mark Purcell ....> Reality....> Debbie
Mark Purcell.....> RV (Caps)
Kawish............> RV (Caps)
RV (Caps)........> Lorenzo Webb, Geerman
Mark Purcell.....> Julia Renfro.......> Margarite Wever.......> Rosalie Klien
Mark Purcell.....> Reality....> Debbie.....> Robin Holloway.....> Dave Holloway......> John Silvetti
......>RV (Caps)......> Cylde Burke........>
Mark Purcell.....> Reality ......> Anita van der Sloot .......>Jan Brennan (Medly aka billybob)

 

Thanks Kermit!

(The last two letters of your link got cut off somehow, so I added them in this response so it would work.  Hopefully one of our super mods will see this and fix them for you!  TIA)

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 04, 2009, 01:08:57 PM
From:
" MY EDIT
To: "Debbie" <debbie@troy MYEDIT>, "xxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxx <, "Kermit" more:
Let's lay our cards on the table shall we?
 
It was YOU, Debbie, who snuck into a board where you were not invited to join and attempted to see what was going on at this PRIVATE board. It is YOU, Debbie who have been banning people who disagree  with you. It is YOU, Debbie who have befriended people who are dead set against the boycott that we have worked so hard to enact and that is working...
 
Someone else attempted to rob Michelle's board of freedom of speech by telling her what to delete and what to say. That is against our constitution in case you didn't know.
 
NO ONE wants to sneak into your meeting. NO ONE is planning on doing that. You are paranoid and it shows.
 
Security, letters? Is this a Presidential Summit? Is Royalty coming to town? Get over yourselves.
 
You have trampled on the heads of a lot of people in your quest to sabotage our boycott and now you are flat out lying.
 
Those of us who will continue to fight for NATALEE have been made stronger by your ridiculous tactics and your childish behavior.
 
Good luck at your TOP SECRET SUMMIT....what a joke.
 

NOW GO AND LOOK AT THE PATTERNS I POSTED OF MARY POPPINS AND HER CREW

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 04, 2009, 01:15:40 PM
MumInOhio

In your attempts to discredit, this is what you need to do otherwise you appear to have a disorder.

a) Get all posts accurate.
b) Get all posts in the correct order.
c) Pay attention to what the posts say
d) go ask your LEAK when JUG TWITTY told lalasmom about JOHN SILVETTI WAS
MAPPING FOR OIL
and WHEN it was leaked by her buddy.

f) that ought to open up your eyes you old bag of chips!
f) now go make your report and clean it up so that the truth is in the right context.
Believe me, you'll feel better about yourself.

Or I should say, others will feel better about you always posting a bunch of nonsense.


carry-on


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 04, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
Reality must be slacking on his phone sex talk lately with Mary Poppins!
 ::MonkeyTease::

heh heh
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyJnBox::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 04, 2009, 02:11:30 PM


Hi Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you're having a great weekend!  It's raining here again....and all day tomorrow, if the weather report is right. 

Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.



TM,
How can we find Arubans that have ever participated in the Olympics?
I have googled and googled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba_at_the_Olympics


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 04, 2009, 02:21:29 PM
http://www.2008.nbcolympics.com/countries/country=aru/index.html
Olympic Tradition:
Made its Olympic debut in 1988. Has never won an Olympic medal. In recent years, Aruba has produced several top baseball players, including pitcher Sidney Ponson and outfielder Eugene Kingsale (both are currently free agents).

Summer Olympic Debut: 1988

Medal Record:
Never won an Olympic medal
 
Beijing Outlook:
The Dutch baseball team qualified for Beijing and can use players from Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 02:53:21 PM

Note to the copy/paste underling of the moment (btw...I know who you are  ::MonkeyWitch1:: ) :

Be sure to take the post back that has the corrected link; we wouldn't want anyone to have to work to find the post Kermit referenced.

TIA!   ::MonkeyTongue::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 04, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75098


An Aruban will decide for the Olympic city in 2016
Nicole Hoevertsz (Aruban) Has Two Favorites, But Will Decide At The Last Presentation
.



October 2nd 2009, Denmark/Aruba.


COPENHAGEN/ORANJESTAD-Nicole Hoevertz, a former Aruban athlete, and member of the International
Olympic Committee since 2006, is one of the members who will cast a vote today for the city that they
believe has the right to host the Olympic Games in 2016. Four cities are competing aggressively against
each other to win the bid to host the Games, they include Rio de Janeiro, Madrid, Tokyo, and Chicago. It
is the first time that an Aruban will vote for a city to host the Olympic Games. "It is amazing that a
country of just over 100,000 people like Aruba has an equal voice as members from countries with 100
million or even 256 million people, Hoevertsz said."

Hoevertsz met with First Lady Michelle Obama who is supporting the bid of Chicago. The encounter with
Mrs. Obama was very pleasant, she is clearly passionate about Chicago. Hoevertsz gave the U.S. First
Lady an Aruban pin. Mrs. Obama told Hoevertsz that she heard the elections were recently held on the
island. It is an indication that the U.S. first family is well aware on what is going on in a small country like
Aruba.

Hoevertsz also met with Queen Sofia of Spain who is supporting the Madrid bid. She later met with
Brazilian soccer legend, Pele, who supports Rio de Janeiro. Hoevertsz said she has two favorite cities in
mind, her final decision will be based on the best presentation of all 4 cities.

The winning city to host the Olympic Games in 2016 will be announced today at 18:30hours Danish time.
Rio de Janeiro and Chicago are seen as the favorites to win. Little over 100 members of the IOC will vote
today. Every vote is important, London barely won from Paris for the right to host the Olympic Games in
2012.


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63322.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Hoevertsz meets Barack Obama

October 3, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-aruba-nicole-hoevertsz-m.gif)


ORANGE CITY / COPENHAGEN - The president of the United States Barack Obama was briefly in Copenhagen yesterday to lobby for the candidacy of the city of Chicago for the Olympic Games of 2016. His arrival was to no avail, the members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) chose the Brazilian city of Rio de Janeiro. It is the first time that the Olympic Games held in South America. The present Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said proudly after the profits of 'his city'. The present also Nicole Hoevertsz of the Aruban Olympic Committee (COA) yesterday got the chance a few words with President Obama to share with him the picture. He was very kind and patient, told Hoevertsz end.

Another version......

http://dailyjournalonline.com/articles/2009/10/04/sports/doc4ac4d7d7bd7ad270510051.txt#

IOC members agonize over 2016 Olympic host city
By JOHN LEICESTER
AP Sports Writer
Sunday, October 04, 2009
COPENHAGEN (AP) — The International Olympic Committee is familiar with tough decisions. It gambled by giving the games to Beijing and even turned down New York after 9/11.

But the race to host the 2016 games — pitting Chicago, Rio de Janeiro, Tokyo and Madrid — is still too close to call. Which means committee members will spend the next two days feeling like the most popular people on the planet.

Want to meet Michelle Obama? If you’re on the committee and need a little pointer on which way to vote, it’s not a problem. For added star power, the king of Spain, the president of Brazil and Oprah Winfrey have descended on Copenhagen.

Mrs. Obama, beating her husband to the Danish capital Wednesday, has a two-room suite in the IOC hotel, with cushy white leather furniture and an interactive table that, at the touch of a hand, shows how a Chicago Olympics might look.

The first lady went straight to work impressing the IOC, with plenty of attention to detail. To committee member Nicole Hoevertsz, appointed a day earlier as permanent secretary of Aruba’s Council of Ministers, she offered congratulations on the new job.

“We’re not taking anything for granted, so I’m going to go talk to some voters,” she said.

IOC members who have been through this selection process repeatedly, previously sending the games to London, Beijing, Athens and Sydney, told The Associated Press they could not remember a tougher choice.

The AP canvassed a dozen IOC members. With all four cities seen as capable — at least technically — of holding the Olympics, they said much rides on how the cities make their case in final 45-minute presentations to the IOC on Friday, before the vote.

“I have two favorites,” Hoevertsz said. “It’s going to come down to the last, last presentation. It’s going to come down to the last minute.”

And Mrs. Obama’s mention of her new post in Aruba? “That was a very nice detail.”


As time drew short, so did tempers. Despite fresh IOC warnings that the cities should avoid criticizing their rivals, the Spanish Olympic Committee’s vice president, Jose Maria Odriozola, told the national Efe news agency that “Rio is the worst bid.”

Rio bid organizers said the criticism was “totally unacceptable” and formally complained to the IOC.

The outcome Friday could hinge on which cities are eliminated first in the IOC’s secret ballot and how IOC members line up behind other candidates after their favorites are knocked out.

That makes predicting a winner perilous, and it means even IOC members who say they’ve made up their minds are still worth lobbying. There are 97 votes at stake in the first round, more in later rounds.

“It is difficult enough to know where the first-round votes are going to go, so trying to imagine where the swinging votes are going to go is impossible,” said Spanish IOC member Juan Antonio Samaranch Jr., whose father was IOC president for 21 years.

“Events in the next 48 hours will decide the winner, because they will have a significant influence on the second- and third-round votes,” he said.

Samaranch said he believes nearly all the IOC’s voting members already have a favorite. But IOC vice president Chiharu Igaya said “many” are undecided.

Added British IOC member Craig Reedie: “This is really close. The closer it gets, the more people will say, let me think about it. We all want to see the presentations. It’s what people see that will count. Decided? No, I haven’t actually. I’m getting close.”

Late, high-powered lobbying can be important — as then-Prime Minister Tony Blair and his wife, Cherie, proved four years ago, when London campaigned successfully for the 2012 Olympics.

Blair traveled to Singapore ahead of the vote and spent two days lobbying members, inviting them to his hotel suite for one-on-one meetings. Chicago tore a leaf from his playbook: Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett met with Blair last week to get tips on navigating the IOC voting process.

But for the first time, there are no IOC executive board meetings in the days leading up to the vote. That means less opportunity for schmoozing.

IOC votes can be unpredictable. Aside from the paramount questions of whether bidding cities’ Olympic plans are technically and financially feasible, emotion, sentiment, geography, politics, self-interest and other factors all play roles.

In Copenhagen, there’s also the boldface-name factor, with Spain’s King Juan Carlos and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva already here and President Barack Obama jetting in for a few hours on Friday to bolster Chicago’s presentation.

Willi Kaltschmitt, an IOC member since 1988, said the VIP presence would reassure voters that bids are fully backed by their governments — but would be only one of many factors.

Australian IOC member Kevan Gosper said after meeting with Mrs. Obama, however, that she and her husband “could have an influence on marginal votes.”

IOC members used to visit candidate cities themselves, but that was stopped because of concerns about bribery. Now they rely on IOC reports, presentations and lobbying to decide.

“Since we’re not allowed to visit the cities, it comes down to the very, very little details,” Hoevertsz said.

Ultimately, the choice may hinge on whether IOC members want to make a bold statement by sending the Olympics to South America for the first time or choose more familiar territory.

The United States, Spain and Japan have all previously held the Summer Games. Chicago could also be seen as a safer financial bet in tough economic times.

“One of the things that is very important to us now is the economic recession,” said IOC member Nat Indrapana, adding that when cities made their cases to the IOC in June, “Chicago made a beautiful presentation.”

When the voting begins, the city receiving the fewest votes will be eliminated after each round until one candidate secures a majority. The vote is expected to go the maximum three rounds.

IOC member Samih Moudallal said it will be like choosing among “four sons, or your brothers.”

“How do you choose between your brothers?” Moudallal said, adding that he has yet to make his selection. “You have to use your mind and your heart together. It’s a very difficult choice.”

AP National Writer Nancy Armour and AP Sports Writers Graham Dunbar and Chris Lehourites in Copenhagen, Paul Logothetis in Madrid and Stephen Wilson in London contributed to this report.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 05:26:18 PM
A REMINDER

The John Silvetti and Tim Trahan betrayal that furthered the Aruban coverup agenda must not become a distance memory ... it must be exposed!

The following cover up of the John Silvetti and Tim Trahan betrayal by others who claimed to be pursuing answers regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway must not become a distance memory ... it also must be exposed.

CLOSURE AND JUSTICE DICTATES.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

THE BETRAYAL


Kyle Kingman:   I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE TARP

Kyle Kingman:  07-Jan we dove on the trap with Aruban divers and our ROV recording the dive. They found the piece of blue tarp and blue denim-like fabric, and other things I can't identify.

Kyle Kingman:  I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.


THE FABRIC

Kyle Kingman:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingsman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Credit: Kermit @ Scared Monkeys.Net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 07:21:28 PM
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kindred spirits

Posted Friday, September 25, 2009 by gastedmyflabbers

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Few people could relate to the loss of a child in the way the parents of JonBenet Ramsey and Natalee Holloway can. Still looking for answers in these tragic cold cases, John Ramsey and Beth Holloway have formed a bond of friendship not many could ever imagine or begin to fully understand based on the tragic losses they share--

Mom of missing teen reveals her agony
Published in the Bermuda Sun
by Sirkka Huish


The mother of a teenager who went missing in Aruba clings to the hope that justice will be served thanks to the discovery of "a new thread of evidence".

Beth Holloway, who is coming to Bermuda to share her story, refuses to give up in the world- famous, unsolved case....

It has been widely reported that Ms Holloway is in a relationship with John Ramsey, the father of murdered child beauty queen JonBenet, after meeting at a fundraiser.

But Ms Holloway says they are "just really good friends", adding: "We have a friendship based on tragedy as we feel we have so much in common. We've been able to learn from and encourage each other."...[read more]


About Beth Holloway and her book, Loving Natalee

Beth Holloway is the mother of Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the last night of her senior class trip on May 30, 2005. To this day Beth continues to search for the truth of what happened. She grew up in Arkansas, then lived and worked in Tennessee, Mississippi, and finally Alabama where she now lives with her son, Matt. Today Beth addresses schools, churches, law enforcement groups, and other organizations on personal and travel safety.


File Under: John Ramsey, JonBenet, JonBenet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway |


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 07:31:10 PM
iris 44
Re: To Scared Monkeys...
« Reply #273 on: Today at 12:53:01 pm »

I heard a discussion on the radio the other day regarding the type of people that believe these conspiracy theories and are fearful of the government, etc.  They said that people who feel like they are not in control of their own lives are susceptible to these sort of tangents.   Seems to make sense.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=1110.270


 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyShocked::


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER

Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

Page 183:
  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 158:  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 04, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
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Braclets for Natalee Holloway ring Beth Holloway Twitty's wrist as she stood during a press conference in the office of Alabama Governor Bob Riley on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2005. The Holloway family and members of the Alabama Legislature joined Riley in announcing a resolution encouraging Alabamians to boycott travelling to Aruba. (Montgomery Advertiser, Lloyd Gallman)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 08:06:35 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY - THE TRAVEL BOYCOTT - THE ENTIRE  STORY

PRIOR TO THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

1.  09/05 - DENOUNCING THE BOYCOTT

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway


Page 156/157:  It is true that we have not been happy with the way the investigation into Natalee's disappearance was going, but we had no gripe with the general population.  ... That is why I felt uncomfortable supporting a boycott.

On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruban Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business and political leaders.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.


2.  11/05 - UPHOLDING THE BOYCOTT WITH RESERVATIONS

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway


Page 194/195:  On November 8, 2005, Alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba.  He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made.  The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken.  We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.


3.  12/05 - BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway


Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

1.  06/07 - FLIP FLOP


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


2.  06/07 - MARK PURCELL APPLAUDS

MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007


Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »

 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Dave Holloway and Robin backtracked on thier decision to support the voluntary travel boycott to Aruba.  The economic suffering of the Aruban was their concerned ... not the "other" American Natalees who would be at risk while vacationing in Aruba.

Natalee Holloway's father concedes in his own words in Corruption in Paradise that he would have prevented his daughter from travelling to Aruba if he had only known that justice on the Island was elusive?

Janet

++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 202:
  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:39:16 PM
Natalee's father and stepmother flip flopped on their decision to support the volunary boycott of Aruba.

I cannot comprehend why Dave and Robin Holloway put the economic hardships of the Aruban people ... the Aruban people who refused to collectively put pressure on the "powers that be" to afford Natalee a just investigation ... ahead the well-being/safety of other American "Natalee" who would choose Aruba as their vacation destination of choice.

Could their long time friend Mark Purcell hold the answers?

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9
:  In fact, he (Dennis Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10:  While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist.  ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16:  During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s.  ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:47:29 PM
Beth Holloway gets it!  This amazing woman reaches out beyond her pain and ... warns others.

Janet

+++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 209/210:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 11:51:47 PM

iris 44
Re: To Scared Monkeys...
« Reply #273 on: Today at 12:53:01 pm »


I heard a discussion on the radio the other day regarding the type of people that believe these conspiracy theories and are fearful of the government, etc.  They said that people who feel like they are not in control of their own lives are susceptible to these sort of tangents.   Seems to make sense.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=1110.270


 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyShocked::


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER

Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

Page 173:
  It apears that many of the people involved with the investigation into Natalee's disappearance are either corrupt, incompetent, or are pursuing an agenda different from finding Natalee

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 158:
  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006

Beth Holloway Twitty:  "There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null


'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Iris

I do believe that you adhere to a double standard in regards to the Aruban 'powers that be" ... one in regards to Natalee Holloway's parents ... one in regards to Monkeys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 12:24:46 AM
10/5/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

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Papiamentu translation:

question cu we is achieve, after cu ahata owing to named after james hepple because; chairman y ceo new after of 60 year in turism, still not have one aruban for become chairman y ceo of ahata?

for of one conocido observador of all desaroyo in we comunidad, we owing to achieve one notice, cu the peticion for work on dje. the observador here, because the is one person very conoci owing to prefera of stay anonimo. because; cu we of awemainta is comparti his opinion, we is mand’e because; one articulo redaccional also.

t’asina cu day 16 of september 2009, owing to leave in prensa ( the.o. in awemainta) one ad where ahata is solicita chairman y ceo new. y cu personanan interesa can solicita first cu 24 august 2009.

miranda cu the fechanan do not good, … do you not can saca one ad day 16 september, y do you have to solicita first cu 24 august, the observador here owing to send the ceo of ahata one e-mail where past owing to bise cu the fechanan do not good.

past owing to lagami know cu they owing to using the ad old, but they will “reprimi” one ad new y monday 21 september one ad new will leave.

for surprise, day 19 september i have read in awemainta cu already end ahata is anuncia orguyosamente his chairman y ceo new in the person james richard hepple. this the is achieve much odd, because is seems cu ahata is play game.

do you not can place one ad hour do you have a apunta end. is where we is bay? this t’e cos cu is place cu person local do not solicita, because they're think cu already end have person apunta.y this is demostra cu they have razon.

one another cos cu my also is ask about is, cu after of more cu 60 year in turism, still aruba not have one person cu can ocupa the posicion here, esta of chairman y ceo of ahata?

aparte of esey we is happen in one season dificil y this also can wordo help for one aruban. are you believe cu the is echt necesario for busca one person cu is in hunta directiva of asociacion of turism of st. lucia for become chairman of ahata at aruba?

my know cu hour the cos here “surfice” will do you bay hear of ahata con good the person here is y is cuanto diploma the will have. my not know that the sir james hepple is y i have all respect pe. but i am tell con i is mire. the posicion here have to is for one aruban or a cu is work or arrive of work (basta tempo) at aruba. james richard hepple owing to work at corsow also, y for of time cu the was work at corsow, his name owing to being menciona because; candidato for become chairman y ceo of ahata, but ahata owing to scoge the time ey for rob smith. wanted mean, rob smith was mihor cune, for cual past owing to achieve the posicion the time ey y now is give james richard hepple the oportunidad here? y kico past owing to haci for turism of corsow, for tell cu one person so ahata have have to? once more, nothing contra of person of james richard hepple, because as menciona, my not conoce, but so good the is, cu not have one aruban cu can haci the trabao here? the ultimo chairman, ceo aruban cu ahata owing to conoce was rory arends. after all is foreigner y still can corda con minister of turism actual, edison briesen y his colega minister of husticia, rudy croes owing to let know, time cu owing to give jorge pesquero permission, cu will dun’e permission cu condicion cu will named after one aruban near of his person because; contra-partner p’e learn for one aruban can wordo named after in future because; chairman y ceo of ahata. also kico is strañami is cu none person have remarca. can is cu everybody was ocupa cu eleccion? or door the t’e calor?

pesey today because; observador y can medio of awemainta the is denuncia the mature here, y cu ahata have to know cu they're of aruba not for crea trabao for another cu not owing to succeed nothing where they owing to work. if ahata is desea for we propone sikiera 2 candidato pe funcion here, behold the nombernan, sra. anabela peterson de sousa y even ed malone, that already is feel his self one aruban, already cu past owing to integra his self at aruba. y so self have more candidato cu can wordo menciona, but ahata have to come splica pakico they do not apto.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 05, 2009, 12:31:55 AM

iris 44
Re: To Scared Monkeys...
« Reply #273 on: Today at 12:53:01 pm »


I heard a discussion on the radio the other day regarding the type of people that believe these conspiracy theories and are fearful of the government, etc.  They said that people who feel like they are not in control of their own lives are susceptible to these sort of tangents.   Seems to make sense.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=1110.270


 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyShocked::


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER

Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

Page 173:
  It apears that many of the people involved with the investigation into Natalee's disappearance are either corrupt, incompetent, or are pursuing an agenda different from finding Natalee

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 158:
  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006

Beth Holloway Twitty:  "There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null


'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Iris

I do believe that you adhere to a double standard in regards to the Aruban 'powers that be" ... one in regards to Natalee Holloway's parents ... one in regards to Monkeys.

Janet
As my dad always says...
Iris reminds me of the south end of a horse heading North.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 05, 2009, 12:39:25 AM
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-19146--14-14--.html

   

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
caribbeannetnews.com

G20 may blacklist Caribbean regulatory havens
Published on Monday, October 5, 2009

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Reuters) -- The Group of 20 major nations may blacklist countries that have lax financial regulation and impose sanctions on them, mirroring its crackdown on tax havens, Chancellor Alistair Darling was quoted as saying.

"Just as we want to go after tax havens, we want to go after regulatory havens as well," Darling told Emerging Markets magazine in an interview published on Saturday.

"It is not good for financial stability that some companies can operate out of a Caribbean island, and shelter behind a veil of secrecy, and we don't know what they are up to."

Darling's remarks, some of the strongest yet on the issue by a senior G20 official, suggested the group was determined to impose financial reforms comprehensively around the globe to reduce the risk of another credit crisis.

The G20, which groups the United States and other rich countries along with developing nations such as China and India, is pushing for wide-ranging changes in financial regulation -- from bank capital standards and bankers' pay to corporate accounting rules and supervision of financial institutions.

Emerging Markets magazine said the Financial Stability Board, which coordinates the G20's regulatory initiatives, would prepare a "provisional blacklist" of regulatory havens by a meeting of G20 finance ministers in November, as well as a grey list of countries that also should tighten standards.

The FSB will suggest the use of positive sanctions, such as help with improving a country's regulatory capacity, as well as negative sanctions, such as raising the cost of doing business with banks in a blacklisted area, the magazine reported.

Darling, visiting Istanbul for a meeting of finance officials from the Group of Seven rich nations and the International Monetary Fund's semiannual meeting, was quoted as saying big institutions which triggered the credit crisis had traded in every corner of the globe.

"We have an interest in making sure that the regulatory regime is robust, so that you don't end up with banks falling between stools," he said.

"I am concerned about countries that don't have such robust regimes. As it becomes less and less clear what exactly their arrangements are, that could have quite a destabilising effect on other countries."

The G20's crackdown on tax havens has had considerable success. G20 leaders agreed in April to name and shame the world's tax havens with a public list, and threatened sanctions for countries not falling into line.

Since then, some European countries, such as Switzerland, have made concessions on bank secrecy laws in an effort to get off the list. On Thursday, the government of France said French banks had promised to close all their branches in jurisdictions considered to be tax havens from March 2010 onwards.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 12:50:03 AM



Thanks billb!  I agree with you, and your dad says it in a nice way!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 01:10:28 AM
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-19146--14-14--.html

   

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
caribbeannetnews.com

G20 may blacklist Caribbean regulatory havens
Published on Monday, October 5, 2009

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Reuters) -- The Group of 20 major nations may blacklist countries that have lax financial regulation and impose sanctions on them, mirroring its crackdown on tax havens, Chancellor Alistair Darling was quoted as saying.

"Just as we want to go after tax havens, we want to go after regulatory havens as well," Darling told Emerging Markets magazine in an interview published on Saturday.

"It is not good for financial stability that some companies can operate out of a Caribbean island, and shelter behind a veil of secrecy, and we don't know what they are up to."

Darling's remarks, some of the strongest yet on the issue by a senior G20 official, suggested the group was determined to impose financial reforms comprehensively around the globe to reduce the risk of another credit crisis.

The G20, which groups the United States and other rich countries along with developing nations such as China and India, is pushing for wide-ranging changes in financial regulation -- from bank capital standards and bankers' pay to corporate accounting rules and supervision of financial institutions.

Emerging Markets magazine said the Financial Stability Board, which coordinates the G20's regulatory initiatives, would prepare a "provisional blacklist" of regulatory havens by a meeting of G20 finance ministers in November, as well as a grey list of countries that also should tighten standards.

The FSB will suggest the use of positive sanctions, such as help with improving a country's regulatory capacity, as well as negative sanctions, such as raising the cost of doing business with banks in a blacklisted area, the magazine reported.

Darling, visiting Istanbul for a meeting of finance officials from the Group of Seven rich nations and the International Monetary Fund's semiannual meeting, was quoted as saying big institutions which triggered the credit crisis had traded in every corner of the globe.

"We have an interest in making sure that the regulatory regime is robust, so that you don't end up with banks falling between stools," he said.

"I am concerned about countries that don't have such robust regimes. As it becomes less and less clear what exactly their arrangements are, that could have quite a destabilising effect on other countries."

The G20's crackdown on tax havens has had considerable success. G20 leaders agreed in April to name and shame the world's tax havens with a public list, and threatened sanctions for countries not falling into line.

Since then, some European countries, such as Switzerland, have made concessions on bank secrecy laws in an effort to get off the list. On Thursday, the government of France said French banks had promised to close all their branches in jurisdictions considered to be tax havens from March 2010 onwards.




 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 01:11:22 AM



Thanks billb!  I agree with you, and your dad says it in a nice way!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   The visual is what counts. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 01:16:16 AM
Amazing Race's prize for the winner of tonight's 1st place of the leg of the race was a trip to Aruba.  The winners were two Globetrotter members competing, who stated they'd never been there.  It was for the Hyatt with cruises & jeep tour, etc.  Not sure when all of this was recorded but it does seem as though Travelocity and such have a magic wheel and one of the networks usually is a winner....that is...they pay the bill.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Goodnight, all....see you later.     ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 01:26:58 AM
Amazing Race's prize for the winner of tonight's 1st place of the leg of the race was a trip to Aruba.  The winners were two Globetrotter members competing, who stated they'd never been there.  It was for the Hyatt with cruises & jeep tour, etc.  Not sure when all of this was recorded but it does seem as though Travelocity and such have a magic wheel and one of the networks usually is a winner....that is...they pay the bill.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Goodnight, all....see you later.     ::MonkeyKiss::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 01:32:00 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 05, 2009, 07:50:57 AM

Hi Kermit!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/kermitdance.gif)

OMG LMAOOOOOO!!! Oh that soooooooooo needs to go in the smilie list!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 08:51:17 AM

Hi Kermit!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/kermitdance.gif)

OMG LMAOOOOOO!!! Oh that soooooooooo needs to go in the smilie list!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

IIRC, Klaas made it...it makes me smile too!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a great Monday!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 09:02:08 AM
http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d9a2af3003000c&sectionId=60

Published: October 5. 2009 08:37AM


Natalie Holloway's mom brings message of personal safety to Island


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By Amanda Dale

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Beth Holloway Twitty, the mother of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, wears a bracelet that spells Natalee's name, right, and a blue bracelet in Natalee's memory, left, in Palm Beach, Aruba, in this Tuesday, June 28, 2005 file photo. Holloway disappeared on May 30 during a high school graduation trip to this Dutch Caribbean island. Determined to get answers, Beth Holloway Twitty takes her daughter's case nearly every day to major American news media, who are always eager to broadcast the mother's latest hopes and frustrations with the official investigation. 
 
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A flyer prepared by the Holloway family is shown in this Associated Press photo. 
 
 
The mother of an American girl missing and presumed dead in Aruba has spoken of the triumph of the human spirit from the darkest depths of despair.

Beth Holloway gave a harrowing account of the search of her daughter Natalee, who disappeared on the Caribbean island on the last night of a school graduation trip.

The message she left with guests at the Physical Abuse Centre's 30th Anniversary Gala however, was one of hope and transformation.

Among those present at the Hamilton Princess event were the mothers of three young people murdered in Bermuda Juliann Moore, mother of Rhiana Moore; Marsha Jones, mother of Shaundae Jones; and Shahidah Abdur-Rahim, mother of Aquil Richardson.

Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old from Alabama, disappeared from a nightclub in Aruba in 2005.

Although her body has never been found, it is believed she was abducted, raped and murdered.

A suspect in the case, local man Joran van der Sloot, claimed Natalee suffered a seizure and he disposed of her body, but no one has ever been brought to trial.

In what was her first overseas talk outside of the US, Ms Holloway described the events following her daughter's disappearance and her feelings at the failures of the Aruba criminal justice system.

She told guests at the Physical Abuse Centre event: "I feel a real connection being here with you.

"Just as the Physical Abuse Centre is dedicated to helping families and savings lives, I also want to help people who have been victimised.

"What is hope? What does it mean to you and what can it mean to someone experiencing a devastating or traumatic event in their life?

"I have had such a devastating experience and what I concluded is there are phases of hope for everyone to see, depending on what our needs are at that particular moment."

Ms Holloway and her then husband Dave Holloway travelled to Aruba after Natalee disappeared on May 30, 2005.


Faced with a lack of assistance from the local Police, they began to trace her last movements and spoke to Mr. van der Sloot, who was said to have been with Natalee at the Carlos 'n Charlie's nightclub.

"He told us he bought drinks for Natalee and then graphically described all the sexual conduct he engaged in with her as she fell asleep in the back of a car," said Ms Holloway.

Mr. van der Sloot, the son of a judge, said he then dropped Natalee off at her hotel.

Ms Holloway however, believed her daughter had been drugged and abducted.

But the local Police just told her, "She will show up, just wait."

"With very little help from the authorities we were left to search for her on our own," she said.

This search took them to brothels and crackhouses as tip-offs included claims Natalee had been kidnapped by crack addicts for cash.

Ms Holloway said: "The Police regarded Natalee's disappearance as unimportant. They were sure the crackheads would bring her back once her money was gone.

"But despite all of the tips and all our running around, Natalee was nowhere to be found.

"Reporters asked me all the time, 'How do you feel?'. The answer was, I didn't feel anything, I was numb."

Ms Holloway said she felt increasing despair. "The first phase of hope, that she would be found, was turning into a fantasy," she said.

"My human strength was gone. Natalee's purple duffel bag was on the bed in her hotel room all packed and ready to come home and I told her we were sorry, that we had searched so hard but had not found her."

That same evening, Ms Holloway went to pray at a row of crosses and said she was suddenly at peace.

"In the stillness I knew in an instance that Natalee was with God. The wind was blowing hard and I talked to Natalee and promised to get justice for her and to never give up."

Ms Holloway said that through her ordeal, she was buoyed by support she received from people all over the world.

"I received letters and cards from as far away as Jerusalem, and I treasure them," she said.

"It has been life-changing for me to experience the coming together of people for my daughter and my family."

Ms Holloway said hope ultimately transformed her from "a victim to a victor".

She decided to take her experiences and use them to help others.

A teacher herself, she now promotes a travellers' workshop for teenagers in schools across the US.

She also hopes to produce a CD with advice and tips for foreign travel.

"I think this is the best way to honour Natalee, to share the message of personal safety with young adults," she said.

Ms Holloway said this can be as simple as not leaving your group of friends, and making sure you have international dialling on your cell phone, in case of distress.

Describing her daughter as "savvy and confident", she said Natalee nevertheless was "blindsided".

"She never stood a chance against her perpetrators. She had a false sense of security with all of her friends.

"She let her guard down for a moment and in that moment she vanished."

Hope however, remains. Ms Holloway said: "The hope that filled Natalee's heart and mind fills mine, and I will press on.

"Hope is the guiding light in whatever tunnel we find ourselves in."




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
Thanks TxMom!!!!!!!

This is GREAT news!
Rudy Croes is also GONZO!!!!!!!!!!

What do we know of this Oduber?

http://www.diario.aw/2009/10/nomber-di-ministronan-ta-conoci/



Papiamentu translation:


name of ministronan for gobierno new is conoci

publication: diabierna, 2 october 2009.

categoria: general —ultimo ora—

oranjestad (aan): diabierna nightfall, leader of avp, mike eman at his exit for of office of governor, owing to revela the name of esnan cu will bay ocupa function of ministro in the gobierno new cu will cuminza work day 1 of november venidero.

past owing to haci esey, after of owing to as one consulta cu governor y owing to talk on the asunto. fuera of esey, the dianan venidero, mike eman because; formador will bay is reuni cu various gremio for so achieve know kico they desire is, for they can work they declaration of policy of gobierno.

(*) first ministro y asuntonan general is become mike eman self.

(*) ministro of husticia, y enseñanza is become mr. drs. arthur dowers.  

(*) ministro of asunto economico, social, y cultura is michelle hooyboer- winklaar.

(*) ministro of infrastructura, work publico y medio ambiente will become benny sevinger.

(*) ministro of salubridad y sport is become richard visser.

(*) ministro of finanzas y servicionan of estado is become mike de meza.

(*) ministro of turism y job for her gobierno new is become otmar oduber.

(*) ministro plenipotenciario of aruba at the netherlands is become edwin abath.

(*) chairman of parliament is become mr. andy lee.

(*) leader of fraccion of avp in staten is become rene herde.

press read more ministerio of transporte will bay resorta bao of mike de meza y otmar oduber conhuntamente. juan david yrausquin, because; also paul croes will bay is member of parliament for avp. alex tromp also will stay because; member of parliament. will have of menciona still name of the director of aruba huis, although have rumor is core cu the will is desiree croes. not owing to give indicacion niether, bao cual ministro, the asunto of dimas will bay resorta. according eman, the team is bay become uno solido for proximo 4 year. owing to escoge the nombernan trempan, for so they can orienta they self of now end for so they can is cla for hour cu the date 1 november 2009 arrive, they can cuminza funciona at once. eman owing to splica cu at 2005, they had desire for edwin abath owing to become ministro plenipotenciario at the netherlands, y now at 2009 esey owing to become realidad. abath have the cualificacionnan for haci esey, not despite cu the not owing to form part in eleccion 2009 for avp.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 11:06:04 AM
The turn over of mep to avp in the recent elections is the best opportunity for aruba to gain forward motion to improve the economic recovery wrt tourism.....
They (avp) has a short window of opportunity to launch an investigation of jan vs, paulass, rudy, om (jansen/mos) and nail the perps for all the world to see.....
That's all they need to do to dramatically improve their tourism! Show there is a housecleaning and make tourist feel safe, and they will return...
american traitors can be pursued by FBI and US agencies wrt fraud and any number of other violations......
 


I'm hoping we will see signs of all you've mentioned being put into motion very soon billb!
 
::MonkeyCool::


Not as soon as I had hoped, but this is precisely what I've been working on!

A wonderful friend found a personal email addy for Mike Eman - Aruba's new Prime Minister.


A Call To Arms Fellow Monkeys,  

The Scared Monkeys message board came to be when Natalee Holloway vanished while on the island of Aruba.

4 1/2 years later, there has still been no answers for her family, and no Justice served.

Aruba has now, finally, changed Governing parties - the Aruban citizens have voted out the corrupt MEP party who was in full and total control of what they called an investigation, but what many of us know to have been a cover up.

There's a new man in town - Prime Minister Mike Eman. With him he brings a new Minister of Justice, and a new Minister of Tourism. Both positions, along with the former Prime Minister, we all know formerly held sway in what happened after Natalee disappeared.

Please take this opportunity to cry out for Natalee's Justice. An email campaign to the new Prime Minister of Aruba certainly cannot hurt - and this may be precisely the break we have all been waiting and hoping for.

Please send an email to Mike Eman................send one from each email address you have......................encourage friends and family to send an email from each address they have.....................post it on your MySpace and Facebook accounts..............send it out on Twitter.

Please help us beg for Justice for Natalee Holloway!



Keep in mind, there is already a movement in the Netherlands by Dutch officials to conduct an investigation themselves into what happened. Such an investigation (assisted by the US Justice Dept) could be the appropriate tool to use right now.


Here is my email to him:


Mr Eman,

Congratulations on your recent victory! I have been awaiting this day for 4 ½ years.

I am an American who watched with horror as the disappearance of Natalee Holloway unfolded on your island.

Even more horrific was digging into what information became available about the investigation by Aruban authorities, and witnessing the corruption, cronyism, and collusion to cover up these crimes.

No one should fear abduction and death while on vacation. Niether should anyone fear a lack of Justice should they lose a loved one to such a heinous crime.

It was a relief to hear that finally the corruption on Aruba was being exposed and looked into by the Netherlands.

Mr Hero Brinkman and Ank Bijleveld deserve a medal for their determined actions to have the first 10 days of this “investigation” looked into.

Former Commissioner Jan van der Straten, former Prosecutor Karin Janssen, former Acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig, Detective Dennis Jacobs, Minister of Justice Rudy Croes, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, as well as Justices Rick Smid and Bob Wit need to be investigated thoroughly, and prosecuted accordingly for their actions.

I am writing to urge you to honor the faith your Aruban citizens have put in you by electing you into Office. Please show them that their island’s suffering due to this crime and lack of punishment is now going to come to an end. Ensure your citizens that the corruption of the outgoing party will be thoroughly investigated and punished.

Natalee Holloway deserves Justice, and her family deserves answers. Both are long overdue, and make no mistake – the American public is still watching.

We are now watching with high hopes in this new Government, with you leading the way.

I urge you to take all steps necessary to openly invite the Netherlands to conduct their investigation they have proposed and to also take additional measures by inviting the US Justice Department to assist the Netherlands in this investigation.

Complete transparency and a thorough investigation that ends with the prosecution of the original perpetrators against Natalee Holloway – Joran van der Sloot, Satish kalpoe, Deepak Kalpoe, and Paulus van der Sloot is not only encouraged, it is expected. The prosecution of their enablers, formerly people of Authority in Aruba, is also long overdue.

Please show America that Aruba can be the happy island it once was – not only with Law and Order, but also with Humanity and Compassion.

Show your own citizens that they no longer have to live under the black eye your outgoing authorities have given to Aruba. That you will take crime seriously, both against your own people and against your tourists – your main source of income – and will see it punished accordingly. Show those on your island who now think it is ok to commit crimes against tourists that you will no longer stand for it. Send a message to your own citizens that crimes against tourists will be vigorously punished to the fullest extent of Aruban law.

Show Americans and Arubans alike that there will be no more exceptions for criminals just because of who they know, or who they are related to.

Bolster your economy in these dreadful economic times by showing Americans that travelling to the island of Aruba can once again be a safe prospect.

See that Justice is done for Natalee Holloway and her family.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxx
United States of America


Here are some sample letters you are free to use, or from which to create your own letter. Here also is the new Prime Minister of Aruba's personal email address - Mr Mike Eman.

Mr Mike Eman,

I am writing you from America, in hopes that you will welcome the request from Dutch Authorities for an investigation into what transpired after Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba.

The crimes against her need to be denounced, and the guilty punished. Punish not only those who committed those crimes, but also those who covered up the crimes, and helped the criminals escape Justice.

Please, help your island. Help Natalee Holloway. Help Natalee’s family.

Get Aruba back on its feet in the eyes of the world by seeing Justice done for Natalee Holloway.

Send a clear message to America that Aruba does value it’s tourists, and does not tolerate crimes against them.



Mike Eman,

It is with heavy heart that I write this appeal to you. The tragic loss of Natalee Holloway on your island has created such fear for anyone wanting to vacation there. As an American, I received the message loud and clear – Come to Aruba and spend your money. But if you go missing we will shrug it off and sweep it under the rug. We will also make sure those who hurt you walk free.

Please take this opportunity in your new role as Prime Minister to have a full combined Dutch and American investigation conducted into what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Please take all steps necessary to see that her attackers are punished as severely as Aruban law allows.

Please send a new message to American travelers - Aruba cares not only about your money, but also about YOU.

Please show me that Aruba cares about what happens to me should I visit there.



Mr Eman,

I encourage you in your new position as Prime Minister to do the right thing by Natalee Holloway and her family.

Allow the Dutch to investigate what happened after she went missing. Encourage your citizens to cooperate with the investigation. Let them know they no longer have to fear repercussions from those now leaving office if they tell the truth about what happened.

Invite Natalee’s family to inspect the criminal file of her disappearance – holding nothing back. Ask for their help – ask them to show the Dutch investigators what they have learned.

Please do everything in your power to finally allow Justice for Natalee Holloway and her family.



Mr Eman,

I still cringe every time I hear the word Aruba. In 2005 a fellow American disappeared on your island – and from all appearances, your officials did absolutely nothing to pursue Justice for her. Those who abducted her have been walking free ever since. They have been allowed to carry on with their lives, while hers was taken.

Natalee Holloway lost her life on your island, and no one ever did anything about it. Far from it. The powers that be on Aruba made sure that nothing would ever come from her death. They made sure, for the sake of Aruba’s Tourism.

It is with utter sincerity that I say this to you now. Please reverse the message Aruba has sent to the world – to the vacationing world. Let the world know that Aruba will punish criminals, that Aruba puts humanity before tourism.

Please allow the Dutch and the American FBI to conduct an investigation into what happened to Natalee Holloway. Please make the guarantee that those who hurt her will come to Justice.

I promise you, those actions alone will go a long way with me and my fellow Americans when making future travel plans.

Here is his email addy:  Mike Eman Prime Minister of Aruba - mikegeman@gmail.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 11:15:19 AM
To CNG, GM, BFN and BNH.

Regardless of our differences in opinion, despite the hurt and bitter feelings - we are all still here for the same thing...............Justice for Natalee Holloway.

Please put aside your animosities and do this for Natalee.  I know you have good hearts, please look into them and help this cry for Justice for Natalee.

Send letters to Mr Eman.  Send many, many letters.  Make our voices one again - in the name of Natalee Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 11:15:36 AM
Not so sure about the new prime ministerminister of justice, jen3560......with regard to Brinkman, that is.

Antillean, Aruban politicians
question Brinkman’s motives
ORANJESTAD--Antillean politicians believe Dutch Second Chamber representative Hero Brinkman (PVV) is targeting the islands of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba unfairly.

In an e-mail comment, Hensley Koeiman, an Island Council member for the MAN party, stated, “If Brinkman wants to create an anti-corruption movement throughout the Kingdom, I would support him; I support every Brinkman and Brinkwoman that is against corruption. But why does Brinkman want this only for the Antilles and Aruba? I question whether his motives are noble.”

Koieman’s colleague Gisetta Seferina (PNP) holds similar views about Brinkman.

“Every civilised person is against corruption. But why doesn’t Brinkman begin in the Netherlands? If he believes the Antilles and Aruba have the patent on corruption within the kingdom, then he is painfully mistaken. The context in which he puts forth this idea illustrates that he is completely confused,” Seferina said.

According to PAR Commissioner Marilyn Alcala-Walle, corruption occurs throughout the world. “Everywhere throughout the world there is corruption, but to stigmatise certain communities and politicians through suggestive messages that at first glance seem well intended, this I must reject,” Alcala-Walle said.

She further stated that while she was willing to accept everything that was done with good intentions, she was unsure of what Brinkman’s actual intentions are.

“It’s a very good idea, but let him also include the Netherlands. Since the era of pirates we have been learning corruption from them. Look at how they have handled matters concerning construction fraud and other incorrect practices and compare it with how they want to deal with us in this situation. We are well on our way with the implementation of regulations that will promote and strengthen good governance to the benefit of our people,” stated Renfred Rojer (FOL).

According to DP party leader Norbert George, the anti-corruption movement has long existed in the Antilles.

“We ourselves are already tired of corruption. So I do not understand what Brinkman intends with the setting up of an anti-corruption movement. However, I do wish him much success,” George said.

Aruban opposition member Arthur Dowers of AVP believes Brinkman is both a fundamentalist and a racist. Moreover, according to Dowers, Brinkman is clearly not interested in the welfare of the people of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Dowers, who is participating in the Parliamentary Consultation of the Kingdom (POK), said Brinkman’s comments were intended to win sympathy from people who supported the separation of the races.

“Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

Dowers, who supports both controls on government and general regulations against fraud, further suggested that Brinkman was not needed to fight corruption on the islands.

“All over the world citizens are placing checks and balances on the agenda. The Antilles and Aruba are also experiencing this. Furthermore, we have sufficient institutions that are active in this area. The population has the power through democratic elections to remove politicians from government if they do not approve of them and replace them with politicians that they do approve of. The abuse of the media is not necessary.

“You must ask which political direction this person will take when everyone realises that, like everywhere else in the world, we have individual politicians who stray from the right path and that our institutions that fight against this are indeed functioning.”
There was a sharp difference in the tone and content of the reactions from Chairman of the Netherlands POK delegation Willibrord van Beek (VVD) and the Chairman of the Antillean POK delegation Pedro Atacho (PAR) concerning Brinkman’s idea to set up a population-based anti-corruption movement.

“We are very clear on this matter. Like when he published his scrapbook in June of last year in The Hague, we are inviting Mr. Brinkman to approach the Prosecutor’s Office if he has knowledge of punishable offences. It has come to our attention that he has not done this and chooses to continue to attract attention to himself by presenting sensation-hungry tragicomic impressions,” said Atacho.

Van Beek opted not to make a statement on the matter, saying only, “As chairman of the Dutch delegation, I wish to make no political statements.”
 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 11:26:47 AM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
2NJ - I'm sorry.  I cussed twice in that post. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 11:45:13 AM
2NJ - I'm sorry.  I cussed twice in that post. ::MonkeyDevil2::

I'll be damned....I didn't notice.   ::MonkeyWink::

My intention was only to point out Dower's opinion at that point of Brinkman.  I understand your reasoning and am on board with your suggestion.  I also see that Visser is on the board....remember him from 2005....hope he's not just another pretty face.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 12:04:04 PM
2NJ - I'm sorry.  I cussed twice in that post. ::MonkeyDevil2::

I'll be damned....I didn't notice.   ::MonkeyWink::

My intention was only to point out Dower's opinion at that point of Brinkman.  I understand your reasoning and am on board with your suggestion.  I also see that Visser is on the board....remember him from 2005....hope he's not just another pretty face.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm very glad you posted it, 2NJ.  I believe that's a reinforcement for the need to write letters to Eman.

Visser?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 12:16:07 PM
2NJ - I'm sorry.  I cussed twice in that post. ::MonkeyDevil2::

I'll be damned....I didn't notice.   ::MonkeyWink::

My intention was only to point out Dower's opinion at that point of Brinkman.  I understand your reasoning and am on board with your suggestion.  I also see that Visser is on the board....remember him from 2005....hope he's not just another pretty face.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm very glad you posted it, 2NJ.  I believe that's a reinforcement for the need to write letters to Eman.

Visser?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Dr.Richard Visser was a lady's fav back in 2005.  I don't have his pic handy, but here is his website...you may remember once you see him.

http://www.drvisser.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 05, 2009, 12:47:35 PM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.

In regards to the nay-sayers,The Netherlands,as well as Aruba.Their PR firms have,do,and always will read what we have to say.Believe me!There is more then one..What is their interest in what we have to say at this point?I will ask the PR companies.WHY PROTECT Paulus & the Perps,as well as those who covered it up?WHY?It's the simplest PR solution in public relations history me thinks but,what do i know.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 12:51:16 PM
I consider those on other forums who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images and ... those who continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup with has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Credit: Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »


JOHN SILVETTI TELLS CAPS THAT THE TRAP/CAGE IS A POSTOFFICE AND THE CAGE WAS EMPTY.

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:

“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188#msg588188


A REMINDER

ROV DIVES


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

Video 1 : 29th Dec   - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2345843000_3478e3930e_o.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Trap.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap4.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap5.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap6.jpg)

Images:  Kyle Kingman


Video 2 - December 30, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8683/image532fx0.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman


Video 3 - January 7, 2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2345840954_e00aee9854_o.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman

Credit: Klaasend @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 01:34:08 PM
Great idea Jen! I'll talk to Red about doing a front page post on it as well. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 05, 2009, 01:34:31 PM
You got it Jen.  Will do as soon as I get home (and will send many in the name of Natalee).

 ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 01:35:36 PM
Great idea Jen! I'll talk to Red about doing a front page post on it as well. 

Thank you Klaas!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
You got it Jen.  Will do as soon as I get home (and will send many in the name of Natalee).

 ::MonkeyCheer2::   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 :smt060  Blue Moon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 01:38:28 PM
The turn over of mep to avp in the recent elections is the best opportunity for aruba to gain forward motion to improve the economic recovery wrt tourism.....
They (avp) has a short window of opportunity to launch an investigation of jan vs, paulass, rudy, om (jansen/mos) and nail the perps for all the world to see.....
That's all they need to do to dramatically improve their tourism! Show there is a housecleaning and make tourist feel safe, and they will return...
american traitors can be pursued by FBI and US agencies wrt fraud and any number of other violations......
 


I'm hoping we will see signs of all you've mentioned being put into motion very soon billb!
 
::MonkeyCool::


Not as soon as I had hoped, but this is precisely what I've been working on!

A wonderful friend found a personal email addy for Mike Eman - Aruba's new Prime Minister.


A Call To Arms Fellow Monkeys,  

The Scared Monkeys message board came to be when Natalee Holloway vanished while on the island of Aruba.

4 1/2 years later, there has still been no answers for her family, and no Justice served.

Aruba has now, finally, changed Governing parties - the Aruban citizens have voted out the corrupt MEP party who was in full and total control of what they called an investigation, but what many of us know to have been a cover up.

There's a new man in town - Prime Minister Mike Eman. With him he brings a new Minister of Justice, and a new Minister of Tourism. Both positions, along with the former Prime Minister, we all know formerly held sway in what happened after Natalee disappeared.

Please take this opportunity to cry out for Natalee's Justice. An email campaign to the new Prime Minister of Aruba certainly cannot hurt - and this may be precisely the break we have all been waiting and hoping for.

Please send an email to Mike Eman................send one from each email address you have......................encourage friends and family to send an email from each address they have.....................post it on your MySpace and Facebook accounts..............send it out on Twitter.

Please help us beg for Justice for Natalee Holloway!



Keep in mind, there is already a movement in the Netherlands by Dutch officials to conduct an investigation themselves into what happened. Such an investigation (assisted by the US Justice Dept) could be the appropriate tool to use right now.


Here is my email to him:


Mr Eman,

Congratulations on your recent victory! I have been awaiting this day for 4 ½ years.

I am an American who watched with horror as the disappearance of Natalee Holloway unfolded on your island.

Even more horrific was digging into what information became available about the investigation by Aruban authorities, and witnessing the corruption, cronyism, and collusion to cover up these crimes.

No one should fear abduction and death while on vacation. Niether should anyone fear a lack of Justice should they lose a loved one to such a heinous crime.

It was a relief to hear that finally the corruption on Aruba was being exposed and looked into by the Netherlands.

Mr Hero Brinkman and Ank Bijleveld deserve a medal for their determined actions to have the first 10 days of this “investigation” looked into.

Former Commissioner Jan van der Straten, former Prosecutor Karin Janssen, former Acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig, Detective Dennis Jacobs, Minister of Justice Rudy Croes, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, as well as Justices Rick Smid and Bob Wit need to be investigated thoroughly, and prosecuted accordingly for their actions.

I am writing to urge you to honor the faith your Aruban citizens have put in you by electing you into Office. Please show them that their island’s suffering due to this crime and lack of punishment is now going to come to an end. Ensure your citizens that the corruption of the outgoing party will be thoroughly investigated and punished.

Natalee Holloway deserves Justice, and her family deserves answers. Both are long overdue, and make no mistake – the American public is still watching.

We are now watching with high hopes in this new Government, with you leading the way.

I urge you to take all steps necessary to openly invite the Netherlands to conduct their investigation they have proposed and to also take additional measures by inviting the US Justice Department to assist the Netherlands in this investigation.

Complete transparency and a thorough investigation that ends with the prosecution of the original perpetrators against Natalee Holloway – Joran van der Sloot, Satish kalpoe, Deepak Kalpoe, and Paulus van der Sloot is not only encouraged, it is expected. The prosecution of their enablers, formerly people of Authority in Aruba, is also long overdue.

Please show America that Aruba can be the happy island it once was – not only with Law and Order, but also with Humanity and Compassion.

Show your own citizens that they no longer have to live under the black eye your outgoing authorities have given to Aruba. That you will take crime seriously, both against your own people and against your tourists – your main source of income – and will see it punished accordingly. Show those on your island who now think it is ok to commit crimes against tourists that you will no longer stand for it. Send a message to your own citizens that crimes against tourists will be vigorously punished to the fullest extent of Aruban law.

Show Americans and Arubans alike that there will be no more exceptions for criminals just because of who they know, or who they are related to.

Bolster your economy in these dreadful economic times by showing Americans that travelling to the island of Aruba can once again be a safe prospect.

See that Justice is done for Natalee Holloway and her family.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxx
United States of America


Here are some sample letters you are free to use, or from which to create your own letter. Here also is the new Prime Minister of Aruba's personal email address - Mr Mike Eman.

Mr Mike Eman,

I am writing you from America, in hopes that you will welcome the request from Dutch Authorities for an investigation into what transpired after Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba.

The crimes against her need to be denounced, and the guilty punished. Punish not only those who committed those crimes, but also those who covered up the crimes, and helped the criminals escape Justice.

Please, help your island. Help Natalee Holloway. Help Natalee’s family.

Get Aruba back on its feet in the eyes of the world by seeing Justice done for Natalee Holloway.

Send a clear message to America that Aruba does value it’s tourists, and does not tolerate crimes against them.



Mike Eman,

It is with heavy heart that I write this appeal to you. The tragic loss of Natalee Holloway on your island has created such fear for anyone wanting to vacation there. As an American, I received the message loud and clear – Come to Aruba and spend your money. But if you go missing we will shrug it off and sweep it under the rug. We will also make sure those who hurt you walk free.

Please take this opportunity in your new role as Prime Minister to have a full combined Dutch and American investigation conducted into what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Please take all steps necessary to see that her attackers are punished as severely as Aruban law allows.

Please send a new message to American travelers - Aruba cares not only about your money, but also about YOU.

Please show me that Aruba cares about what happens to me should I visit there.



Mr Eman,

I encourage you in your new position as Prime Minister to do the right thing by Natalee Holloway and her family.

Allow the Dutch to investigate what happened after she went missing. Encourage your citizens to cooperate with the investigation. Let them know they no longer have to fear repercussions from those now leaving office if they tell the truth about what happened.

Invite Natalee’s family to inspect the criminal file of her disappearance – holding nothing back. Ask for their help – ask them to show the Dutch investigators what they have learned.

Please do everything in your power to finally allow Justice for Natalee Holloway and her family.



Mr Eman,

I still cringe every time I hear the word Aruba. In 2005 a fellow American disappeared on your island – and from all appearances, your officials did absolutely nothing to pursue Justice for her. Those who abducted her have been walking free ever since. They have been allowed to carry on with their lives, while hers was taken.

Natalee Holloway lost her life on your island, and no one ever did anything about it. Far from it. The powers that be on Aruba made sure that nothing would ever come from her death. They made sure, for the sake of Aruba’s Tourism.

It is with utter sincerity that I say this to you now. Please reverse the message Aruba has sent to the world – to the vacationing world. Let the world know that Aruba will punish criminals, that Aruba puts humanity before tourism.

Please allow the Dutch and the American FBI to conduct an investigation into what happened to Natalee Holloway. Please make the guarantee that those who hurt her will come to Justice.

I promise you, those actions alone will go a long way with me and my fellow Americans when making future travel plans.

Here is his email addy:  Mike Eman Prime Minister of Aruba - mikegeman@gmail.com


BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 05, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
Jen3560,done!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 01:40:10 PM
Mike Eman contact info and correspondence suggestions now in it's own thread for easy access in the Natalee Holloway forum.     ::MonkeyGavel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6226.msg971287#msg971287



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 01:43:25 PM
Jen3560,done!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you Trimm!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Heart on October 05, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Thank you Jen3560. Will do!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on October 05, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
Mike Eman contact info and correspondence suggestions now in it's own thread for easy access in the Natalee Holloway forum.     ::MonkeyGavel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6226.msg971287#msg971287



2NJ - Thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on October 05, 2009, 02:16:43 PM

Brava Jen Brava!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on October 05, 2009, 02:42:16 PM
Jen just sent my Justice for Natalee email... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 02:48:19 PM
Thank you very much Heart, Can and Jerseygirl!!!   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 05, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
I am sticking my arm up to say, yes I am present and will write to Mike.
Nelson is gone ! Good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
Thanks kat!

Definitely good riddance to ole Nellie!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 05, 2009, 04:14:36 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 04:31:27 PM
Jen - DONE ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 05, 2009, 04:37:27 PM
Jen

Me, too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 04:42:40 PM
Thanks Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 05, 2009, 04:44:53 PM
WOO HOO, JEN!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2::     ::MonkeyKiss::

I just got done sending my e-mail!!

I've got another e-mail addy and going there now to STAND WITH THE GIRL!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Ono on October 05, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 05, 2009, 05:50:23 PM
DONE.  (more is forthcoming--give me more email addresses).

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on October 05, 2009, 08:54:13 PM
Hey TM! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Right back at ya!  Beautiful and cool here.
You gave a good summary of the GM activities.  Glad you corrected Debbie.
She certainly doesn't hesitate to correct others.
I don't remember that we ever decided that Dave was a Navy Seal...just discussed it.
There is a big difference.


That's what I remember too, also iirc someone (I don't recall who now) even mentioned that in their research they came across a Dave/David Holloway that was a Navy Seal but it wasn't the same Dave Holloway.  I remember thinking that is probably what caused some confusion.

We all make mistakes, I usually notice mine the minute I post something.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I'm sure I've missed some of my own along the way.  Debbie is the only poster that I recall thinking "wow, what a meanie!" when she pointed out the mistake of a monkey here.  So, I took the opportunity to correct her!

  ::MonkeyWitch1::
Kermit did, IMO inadvertently, indicate that Dave had been a Navy Seal.   I think Kermit made an honest mistake because of the "other" Dave Holloway that was a Navy Seal..

Like TM said, we all make mistakes.  The difference is that at SM we don't magically "erase" those mistakes.  We own up to them and move on...



Good Evening, Monkeys!


I would like to point out that both Klaas and I stated immediately that we were sure Dave Holloway had no military experience.

So this was hardly a consensus on the forum!  I do think Jug has some, however.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Anna on October 05, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
I, too, shall write to Mike Eman and request an investigation into why things went so terribly wrong and also inquire as to the appropriateness of Jan van der Stratten being in almost constant contact with Paulus vdSloot that first critical week.

Am daring to hope something might actually be done now that the cronies of Paulus are no longer in control.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 05, 2009, 09:18:46 PM
Great idea on the letters to Eman!!! I will send even more tomorrow at work!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 05, 2009, 09:54:46 PM
Interesting NFL matchup tonight -- Farve and Minnesota Vs. Greenbay!!

Edit:  Wrong thread.     ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 05, 2009, 09:56:51 PM
Okay, Sorry!!!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: That was meant for the "Football with Frijole thread!! (I'll blame tabbed browsing!!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 10:00:17 PM


Hi Anna and wreck!   ::MonkeySlide::

Glad to know more letters are being sent for Natalee!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 10:03:16 PM
Okay, Sorry!!!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: That was meant for the "Football with Frijole thread!! (I'll blame tabbed browsing!!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: No problem here wreck!   ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 05, 2009, 10:03:39 PM


Hi Anna and wreck!   ::MonkeySlide::

Glad to know more letters are being sent for Natalee!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Could a mod 86 my last post!!!!!


(Texasmom, I left you a message in that Football thread as well!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 10:11:35 PM
No worries, Wreck.....it was an honest mistake......I believe it was your next to last post.

 ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: KYcat on October 05, 2009, 10:21:37 PM
Jen, thanks for the email addy!

Poor Mike won't know what hit him.  Sent 3 off.  Will do more tomorrow.

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 10:47:45 PM
Jen, thanks for the email addy!

Poor Mike won't know what hit him.  Sent 3 off.  Will do more tomorrow.

 ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 05, 2009, 11:12:26 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 05, 2009, 11:21:15 PM
Checking in to see the e-mail progress!!!! It feels so good to be able to DO something!!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Thanks, Jen!   ::MonkeyWink::

While I'm here, I'm dropping this off to Mere in hopes she finds it! 


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Mere.gif)

Wreck? Are you going to set your head on fire this year?   ::MonkeyDevil2::

I'll check back for any info on who else to write!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 11:42:26 PM
I, too, shall write to Mike Eman and request an investigation into why things went so terribly wrong and also inquire as to the appropriateness of Jan van der Stratten being in almost constant contact with Paulus vdSloot that first critical week.

Am daring to hope something might actually be done now that the cronies of Paulus are no longer in control.




A REMINDER

Conflicts of interest from the getgo implied that Justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance.

Janet

+++++++

PAULUS VANDER SLOOT: CONFLICT OF INTEREST

RUDY CROES


Dutch News - December 4, 2008

Van der Sloot father hindered Natalee probe’

Dutchman Jan van der Straten, who the Caribbean island of Aruba when US teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared, seriously hindered the investigation in the first few days, Aruban justice minister Rudy Croes is quoted as saying by news agency ANP.

ANP says Croes claims Van der Straten was slow to take action in order to help his friend Paul van der Sloot protect his son Joran, who was suspected of being involved in the disappearance. Such rumours have circulated on the island for some time, ANP says.

According to ANP, Croes made the statement following criticism of the Aruban police force made by Van der Straten earlier this week.
Questioning

Croes said that Joran and two other suspects were only taken in for questioning 10 days after Holloway went missing ‘when the first days are crucial in a disappearance’. And he claims he heard Van der Straten say ‘I cannot do that to my friend Paul’.
 
Croes also claims there were a lot of telephone conversations between Van der Sloot senior and Van der Straten and that a ‘second class’ police team was put on the investigation. ‘It was the team used during the carnival celebrations,’ ANP reports him as saying.

In addition, Croes accuses the Dutch government of failing to provide any moral support to Aruba. He says the Aruban authorities were pressurised to present Joran van der Sloot as an Aruban, not a Dutch national.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/van_der_sloots_father_hindered.php


JOSSY MANSUR

Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Nova - June 28, 2005


TWAN HUYS:  Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?
PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.
HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Mrs. Croes.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

VAN DER SLOOT That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 05, 2009, 11:42:27 PM
Checking in to see the e-mail progress!!!! It feels so good to be able to DO something!!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Thanks, Jen!   ::MonkeyWink::

While I'm here, I'm dropping this off to Mere in hopes she finds it! 


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Mere.gif)

Wreck? Are you going to set your head on fire this year?   ::MonkeyDevil2::

I'll check back for any info on who else to write!
I guess it is about time to dress up, huh?!?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 05, 2009, 11:46:17 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you're such a hothead anyway!   ::MonkeyTease::    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Do you have it or do you need me to post it?

I'm hoping Magnolia found hers too!  Honestly, you guys are like trying to herd cats!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I WUB you all!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 11:53:19 PM
o/t

If anyone here has hotmail, you may be interested in my post in musings.   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 05, 2009, 11:54:07 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: Well, you're such a hothead anyway!   ::MonkeyTease::    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Do you have it or do you need me to post it?

I'm hoping Magnolia found hers too!  Honestly, you guys are like trying to herd cats!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I WUB you all!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

And we wub you too, CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 06, 2009, 12:24:21 AM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.

Jen3560...
I completely agree and thanks for the email address.
Now is the time to hit the avp with force and hope they act!
I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to send a summary of what we suspect the OM (mos) ale(richardson) did wrt to the persistence cage evidence collection and coverup...maybe send ROV pictures  and ask avp what they make of them....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 06, 2009, 12:26:43 AM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.

Jen3560...
I completely agree and thanks for the email address.
Now is the time to hit the avp with force and hope they act!
I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to send a summary of what we suspect the OM (mos) ale(richardson) did wrt to the persistence cage evidence collection and coverup...maybe send ROV pictures  and ask avp what they make of them....

Good Evening BillB!I believe Janet has done that by her post in the Mike Eman thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 06, 2009, 12:33:52 AM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.

Jen3560...
I completely agree and thanks for the email address.
Now is the time to hit the avp with force and hope they act!
I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to send a summary of what we suspect the OM (mos) ale(richardson) did wrt to the persistence cage evidence collection and coverup...maybe send ROV pictures  and ask avp what they make of them....

Good Evening BillB!I believe Janet has done that by her post in the Mike Eman thread.
Good evening to you also KTF....
I'm glad to hear that....I need to get out more often and look at the other threads, but admittedly, I rarely do....
Hope all is well with you and yours.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 06, 2009, 12:36:31 AM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.

Jen3560...
I completely agree and thanks for the email address.
Now is the time to hit the avp with force and hope they act!
I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to send a summary of what we suspect the OM (mos) ale(richardson) did wrt to the persistence cage evidence collection and coverup...maybe send ROV pictures  and ask avp what they make of them....

Good Evening BillB!I believe Janet has done that by her post in the Mike Eman thread.
Good evening to you also KTF....
I'm glad to hear that....I need to get out more often and look at the other threads, but admittedly, I rarely do....
Hope all is well with you and yours.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Doin as well as can be expected after enduring what i did in South Bend.. ::MonkeyFootball:: It was a magical game to watch in The hollowed stadium of Notre Dame.It is an exciting day with all the Monkey's mailing Mr.Eman.. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 06, 2009, 12:53:55 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 06, 2009, 12:56:57 AM
I don't know 2NJ..........................I think this is precisely why we all need to rally and write letters to Eman.

So they know it's not "only" Brinkman who wishes for this investigation to happen.

So they know that this:

"Look at how he recently attacked Aruba over the disappearance of a young lady on the island. If you considered the welfare of Aruba, you would not approach this matter in such a way that would potentially bring financial and economic damage to the island,” he said.

is what Aruba has done to itself.  Brinkman didn't start the corruption, he didn't encourage the cover up.

Eman needs to know (and Dowers as well) that we Americans are not stupid people.  We saw with our own eyes the corruption that took place over Natalee's disappearance.

They need to know that a mere eyewash, or brushing it away by claiming either the racist card or the "look at your own country" cards WILL NOT WORK AGAIN.

If we all look back, we will see those two things are exactly what the nay-sayers on that damned island did on their message boards (think Scrux, RU, and FOB).  That every time the corruption was pointed out - the outrageous "xenophobe" and "look at the crime in the US" was trotted out.

Enough, I say!

There is a brand new political party in control now - and billb was right, IMO.  We need to strike, and STRIKE HARD, while the iron is hot.

Right now.  In force.  En masse.

Let our voices be heard.  Let them know this will no longer be tolerated.

And by doing it in such a way that we point out the positives for their island by doing the right thing, hell..........they just might listen.

Jen3560...
I completely agree and thanks for the email address.
Now is the time to hit the avp with force and hope they act!
I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to send a summary of what we suspect the OM (mos) ale(richardson) did wrt to the persistence cage evidence collection and coverup...maybe send ROV pictures  and ask avp what they make of them....

Good Evening BillB!I believe Janet has done that by her post in the Mike Eman thread.
Good evening to you also KTF....
I'm glad to hear that....I need to get out more often and look at the other threads, but admittedly, I rarely do....
Hope all is well with you and yours.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Doin as well as can be expected after enduring what i did in South Bend.. ::MonkeyFootball:: It was a magical game to watch in The hollowed stadium of Notre Dame.It is an exciting day with all the Monkey's mailing Mr.Eman.. ::MonkeyGavel::
Hey...The Huskies took them to OT in their house! Had to be exciting......
And definately exciting to email avp.....For Justice for Natalee.....
So sad (not) to see little nels out.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 06, 2009, 12:59:16 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is one day closer......
For me, it is not a matter of if....It is a matter of when.....
I'm patient.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2009, 01:39:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2009, 02:42:52 AM


The online edition of Aruba Today has not been updated since September 19th.

Klaas....we may need another milk carton for the missing!    ::MonkeyWink::


http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/aruba-today-online-newspaper-40824/index2.html

YESTERDAY, 05:03 PM      #12 (PERMALINK)
Liz - Aruba Lover
Moderator
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,202

Quote:
Originally Posted by DANNYO 

What happened to the newspaper?

I emailed Aruba Today 2 days ago. Email came back saying undeliverable.
__________________
http://dinearuba.com
Aruba Lover since 1985


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 06, 2009, 08:41:55 AM


The online edition of Aruba Today has not been updated since September 19th.

Klaas....we may need another milk carton for the missing!    ::MonkeyWink::


http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/aruba-today-online-newspaper-40824/index2.html

YESTERDAY, 05:03 PM      #12 (PERMALINK)
Liz - Aruba Lover
Moderator
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,202

Quote:
Originally Posted by DANNYO 

What happened to the newspaper?

I emailed Aruba Today 2 days ago. Email came back saying undeliverable.
__________________
http://dinearuba.com
Aruba Lover since 1985

Mebbe the IRS is investigating someone's source of income?  ::MonkeyAngel::

Nah..............they extended their deadline, didn't they?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Patriot on October 06, 2009, 11:56:03 AM
Thanks Jen,

Just want to report that I have sent my emails too...

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 06, 2009, 12:00:13 PM
Thanks Jen,

Just want to report that I have sent my emails too...

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Patriot!   :smooch


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
MumInOhio: Let me help your agenda memory.
(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/gomer-pyle-surprise.jpg)

MumInOhio posted: "Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them."

CORRECTION: I posted Kyle Kingman's quotes.

MumInOhio posted:
(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2527/jennpostingmorelies.jpg)

CORRECTION: I didn't post anything about Deepak having an email in his pocket.
Trying to make up stuff is just plain loosey-goose investigative research.
 :bigdown:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 02:25:48 PM
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=e880f553-fc78-4c7a-be70-bcb16a31d23f
Interview with Tim Miller. Fisherman's trap could have been dropped 3 - 5 miles off Aruba
LIVE and DIRECT with RITA COSBY and Tim Miller and James Whitaker (underwater
specialist).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkCEtwKy4Y
Dave Holloway talking about Silvetti searching for 6 weeks.
MAPPING of the ocean floor.


"If it wasn't for Mos and Richardson I would not be here" - Fred Golba
24ora Interview with Fred Golba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEubcWuYUJM




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 06, 2009, 02:35:29 PM
MumInOhio: Let me help your agenda memory.
(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/gomer-pyle-surprise.jpg)

MumInOhio posted: "Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them."

CORRECTION: I posted Kyle Kingman's quotes.

MumInOhio posted:
(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2527/jennpostingmorelies.jpg)

CORRECTION: I didn't post anything about Deepak having an email in his pocket.
Trying to make up stuff is just plain loosey-goose investigative research.
 :bigdown:




That isn't the first thing I have seen MuminOhio invent.  She's an expert at
inventing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 02:40:55 PM
MumInOhio: Let me help your agenda memory.
(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/gomer-pyle-surprise.jpg)

MumInOhio posted: "Kermit...From what I see you are posting Your Opinions...You are entitled to them."

CORRECTION: I posted Kyle Kingman's quotes.

MumInOhio posted:
(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2527/jennpostingmorelies.jpg)

CORRECTION: I didn't post anything about Deepak having an email in his pocket.
Trying to make up stuff is just plain loosey-goose investigative research.
 :bigdown:




That isn't the first thing I have seen MuminOhio invent.  She's an expert at
inventing.

]1-800-InventionsbyMum





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
I consider those on other forums who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images and ... those who continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup with has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Credit: Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »


JOHN SILVETTI TELLS CAPS THAT THE TRAP/CAGE IS A POSTOFFICE AND THE CAGE WAS EMPTY.

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:

“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188#msg588188


A REMINDER

ROV DIVES


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

Video 1 : 29th Dec   - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2345843000_3478e3930e_o.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Trap.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap4.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap5.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap6.jpg)

Images:  Kyle Kingman


Video 2 - December 30, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8683/image532fx0.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman


Video 3 - January 7, 2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2345840954_e00aee9854_o.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman

Credit: Klaasend @ scaredmonkeys.net


I agree Janet.

Despicable traitors for justice!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 02:44:45 PM
The turn over of mep to avp in the recent elections is the best opportunity for aruba to gain forward motion to improve the economic recovery wrt tourism.....
They (avp) has a short window of opportunity to launch an investigation of jan vs, paulass, rudy, om (jansen/mos) and nail the perps for all the world to see.....
That's all they need to do to dramatically improve their tourism! Show there is a housecleaning and make tourist feel safe, and they will return...
american traitors can be pursued by FBI and US agencies wrt fraud and any number of other violations......
 


I'm hoping we will see signs of all you've mentioned being put into motion very soon billb!
 
::MonkeyCool::


Not as soon as I had hoped, but this is precisely what I've been working on!

A wonderful friend found a personal email addy for Mike Eman - Aruba's new Prime Minister.


A Call To Arms Fellow Monkeys,  

The Scared Monkeys message board came to be when Natalee Holloway vanished while on the island of Aruba.

4 1/2 years later, there has still been no answers for her family, and no Justice served.

Aruba has now, finally, changed Governing parties - the Aruban citizens have voted out the corrupt MEP party who was in full and total control of what they called an investigation, but what many of us know to have been a cover up.

There's a new man in town - Prime Minister Mike Eman. With him he brings a new Minister of Justice, and a new Minister of Tourism. Both positions, along with the former Prime Minister, we all know formerly held sway in what happened after Natalee disappeared.

Please take this opportunity to cry out for Natalee's Justice. An email campaign to the new Prime Minister of Aruba certainly cannot hurt - and this may be precisely the break we have all been waiting and hoping for.

Please send an email to Mike Eman................send one from each email address you have......................encourage friends and family to send an email from each address they have.....................post it on your MySpace and Facebook accounts..............send it out on Twitter.

Please help us beg for Justice for Natalee Holloway!



Keep in mind, there is already a movement in the Netherlands by Dutch officials to conduct an investigation themselves into what happened. Such an investigation (assisted by the US Justice Dept) could be the appropriate tool to use right now.


Here is my email to him:


Mr Eman,

Congratulations on your recent victory! I have been awaiting this day for 4 ½ years.

I am an American who watched with horror as the disappearance of Natalee Holloway unfolded on your island.

Even more horrific was digging into what information became available about the investigation by Aruban authorities, and witnessing the corruption, cronyism, and collusion to cover up these crimes.

No one should fear abduction and death while on vacation. Niether should anyone fear a lack of Justice should they lose a loved one to such a heinous crime.

It was a relief to hear that finally the corruption on Aruba was being exposed and looked into by the Netherlands.

Mr Hero Brinkman and Ank Bijleveld deserve a medal for their determined actions to have the first 10 days of this “investigation” looked into.

Former Commissioner Jan van der Straten, former Prosecutor Karin Janssen, former Acting Police Chief Gerold Dompig, Detective Dennis Jacobs, Minister of Justice Rudy Croes, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, as well as Justices Rick Smid and Bob Wit need to be investigated thoroughly, and prosecuted accordingly for their actions.

I am writing to urge you to honor the faith your Aruban citizens have put in you by electing you into Office. Please show them that their island’s suffering due to this crime and lack of punishment is now going to come to an end. Ensure your citizens that the corruption of the outgoing party will be thoroughly investigated and punished.

Natalee Holloway deserves Justice, and her family deserves answers. Both are long overdue, and make no mistake – the American public is still watching.

We are now watching with high hopes in this new Government, with you leading the way.

I urge you to take all steps necessary to openly invite the Netherlands to conduct their investigation they have proposed and to also take additional measures by inviting the US Justice Department to assist the Netherlands in this investigation.

Complete transparency and a thorough investigation that ends with the prosecution of the original perpetrators against Natalee Holloway – Joran van der Sloot, Satish kalpoe, Deepak Kalpoe, and Paulus van der Sloot is not only encouraged, it is expected. The prosecution of their enablers, formerly people of Authority in Aruba, is also long overdue.

Please show America that Aruba can be the happy island it once was – not only with Law and Order, but also with Humanity and Compassion.

Show your own citizens that they no longer have to live under the black eye your outgoing authorities have given to Aruba. That you will take crime seriously, both against your own people and against your tourists – your main source of income – and will see it punished accordingly. Show those on your island who now think it is ok to commit crimes against tourists that you will no longer stand for it. Send a message to your own citizens that crimes against tourists will be vigorously punished to the fullest extent of Aruban law.

Show Americans and Arubans alike that there will be no more exceptions for criminals just because of who they know, or who they are related to.

Bolster your economy in these dreadful economic times by showing Americans that travelling to the island of Aruba can once again be a safe prospect.

See that Justice is done for Natalee Holloway and her family.

Sincerely,

xxxxxxx
United States of America


Here are some sample letters you are free to use, or from which to create your own letter. Here also is the new Prime Minister of Aruba's personal email address - Mr Mike Eman.

Mr Mike Eman,

I am writing you from America, in hopes that you will welcome the request from Dutch Authorities for an investigation into what transpired after Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba.

The crimes against her need to be denounced, and the guilty punished. Punish not only those who committed those crimes, but also those who covered up the crimes, and helped the criminals escape Justice.

Please, help your island. Help Natalee Holloway. Help Natalee’s family.

Get Aruba back on its feet in the eyes of the world by seeing Justice done for Natalee Holloway.

Send a clear message to America that Aruba does value it’s tourists, and does not tolerate crimes against them.



Mike Eman,

It is with heavy heart that I write this appeal to you. The tragic loss of Natalee Holloway on your island has created such fear for anyone wanting to vacation there. As an American, I received the message loud and clear – Come to Aruba and spend your money. But if you go missing we will shrug it off and sweep it under the rug. We will also make sure those who hurt you walk free.

Please take this opportunity in your new role as Prime Minister to have a full combined Dutch and American investigation conducted into what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Please take all steps necessary to see that her attackers are punished as severely as Aruban law allows.

Please send a new message to American travelers - Aruba cares not only about your money, but also about YOU.

Please show me that Aruba cares about what happens to me should I visit there.



Mr Eman,

I encourage you in your new position as Prime Minister to do the right thing by Natalee Holloway and her family.

Allow the Dutch to investigate what happened after she went missing. Encourage your citizens to cooperate with the investigation. Let them know they no longer have to fear repercussions from those now leaving office if they tell the truth about what happened.

Invite Natalee’s family to inspect the criminal file of her disappearance – holding nothing back. Ask for their help – ask them to show the Dutch investigators what they have learned.

Please do everything in your power to finally allow Justice for Natalee Holloway and her family.



Mr Eman,

I still cringe every time I hear the word Aruba. In 2005 a fellow American disappeared on your island – and from all appearances, your officials did absolutely nothing to pursue Justice for her. Those who abducted her have been walking free ever since. They have been allowed to carry on with their lives, while hers was taken.

Natalee Holloway lost her life on your island, and no one ever did anything about it. Far from it. The powers that be on Aruba made sure that nothing would ever come from her death. They made sure, for the sake of Aruba’s Tourism.

It is with utter sincerity that I say this to you now. Please reverse the message Aruba has sent to the world – to the vacationing world. Let the world know that Aruba will punish criminals, that Aruba puts humanity before tourism.

Please allow the Dutch and the American FBI to conduct an investigation into what happened to Natalee Holloway. Please make the guarantee that those who hurt her will come to Justice.

I promise you, those actions alone will go a long way with me and my fellow Americans when making future travel plans.

Here is his email addy:  Mike Eman Prime Minister of Aruba - mikegeman@gmail.com


BUMP for Jen.
 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 02:46:11 PM
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-19146--14-14--.html

   

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
caribbeannetnews.com

G20 may blacklist Caribbean regulatory havens
Published on Monday, October 5, 2009

ISTANBUL, Turkey (Reuters) -- The Group of 20 major nations may blacklist countries that have lax financial regulation and impose sanctions on them, mirroring its crackdown on tax havens, Chancellor Alistair Darling was quoted as saying.

"Just as we want to go after tax havens, we want to go after regulatory havens as well," Darling told Emerging Markets magazine in an interview published on Saturday.

"It is not good for financial stability that some companies can operate out of a Caribbean island, and shelter behind a veil of secrecy, and we don't know what they are up to."

Darling's remarks, some of the strongest yet on the issue by a senior G20 official, suggested the group was determined to impose financial reforms comprehensively around the globe to reduce the risk of another credit crisis.

The G20, which groups the United States and other rich countries along with developing nations such as China and India, is pushing for wide-ranging changes in financial regulation -- from bank capital standards and bankers' pay to corporate accounting rules and supervision of financial institutions.

Emerging Markets magazine said the Financial Stability Board, which coordinates the G20's regulatory initiatives, would prepare a "provisional blacklist" of regulatory havens by a meeting of G20 finance ministers in November, as well as a grey list of countries that also should tighten standards.

The FSB will suggest the use of positive sanctions, such as help with improving a country's regulatory capacity, as well as negative sanctions, such as raising the cost of doing business with banks in a blacklisted area, the magazine reported.

Darling, visiting Istanbul for a meeting of finance officials from the Group of Seven rich nations and the International Monetary Fund's semiannual meeting, was quoted as saying big institutions which triggered the credit crisis had traded in every corner of the globe.

"We have an interest in making sure that the regulatory regime is robust, so that you don't end up with banks falling between stools," he said.

"I am concerned about countries that don't have such robust regimes. As it becomes less and less clear what exactly their arrangements are, that could have quite a destabilising effect on other countries."

The G20's crackdown on tax havens has had considerable success. G20 leaders agreed in April to name and shame the world's tax havens with a public list, and threatened sanctions for countries not falling into line.

Since then, some European countries, such as Switzerland, have made concessions on bank secrecy laws in an effort to get off the list. On Thursday, the government of France said French banks had promised to close all their branches in jurisdictions considered to be tax havens from March 2010 onwards.


Thank you SuzieQ for finding this and posting it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 03:02:19 PM
Dear Mike Eman,

Are you aware that your own countrymen were behind the Pond hoax?
Mark Purcell, Kawish Misier, Lorenzo Webb, Geerman and RV (caps) contacted Dave Holloway
and told him to come to Aruba and search the pond. At great expense to Dave Holloway and Aruba paying for Fred Golba arrive in Aruba for the search of Natalee Holloway's remains in the Monrestrat Pond. Yes sirree!

Consider why those individuals in Aruba would do such a cruel hoax to the family and at considerable cost for Aruba.

cc: CIA
     FBI
     Internet High Crimes Division Lt. G____.






 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 06, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
R-----V------- aka (caps),

Please go thank MumInOhio. For she has re-fired me up to make sure you and ALL of your buddies, including good ol' Louisiana buddy,  pay Mister and Mrs. Holloway and Aruba back for your intentional corruption to the family and investigation.

I am sending ALL of your emails to the law enforcement agencies, FBI, CIA, Internet High Crimes Investigation unit, Netherlands and Mike Eman along with your buddies voice messages and your internet activities as evidence.

I already sent some of the stuff to Hero Brinkman.
::MonkeyKiss::



 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on October 06, 2009, 04:46:54 PM
I believe the biggest factors in preventing the recovery of Natalee Holloway and justice for Natalee remain conflicting interests, cronyism, nepotism, and favoritism.

How is it possile that professional judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement failed to arrest/take into custody, and search the property/homes of the last three known to be with Natalee?  Those that seemed to lie from the beginning?

John Silvetti, his crew and supporters are American heroes.    ::MonkeyCheer3::

All the problems with the investigation started the first few days, and the finger still points at Aruba, the judiciary, the prosecution, the ALE, and the Hague/homeland by extension.

What can the average Aruban do to fix the problems?

How long before Joran graduates and returns to the island to start up where he left off and open a business?

my opinions

I consider those on other forums who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images and ... those who continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup with has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning May 30, 2005.

Janet

+++++++

JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Credit: Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »


JOHN SILVETTI TELLS CAPS THAT THE TRAP/CAGE IS A POSTOFFICE AND THE CAGE WAS EMPTY.

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:

“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4239.msg588188#msg588188


A REMINDER

ROV DIVES


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

Video 1 : 29th Dec   - ROV visual inspection of the trap. (very small clip of this video on Dateline). Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor. The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap. This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH. I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted. I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI. Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me. After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't. Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

Video 3: Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap. The trap was not recovered. Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis. Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


ROV IMAGES

Video 1 - December 29, 2007

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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Trap.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap4.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap5.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/trap6.jpg)

Images:  Kyle Kingman


Video 2 - December 30, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8683/image532fx0.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman


Video 3 - January 7, 2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2345840954_e00aee9854_o.jpg)

Images: Kyle Kingman

Credit: Klaasend @ scaredmonkeys.net


I agree Janet.

Despicable traitors for justice!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Edward on October 06, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
I hates stacks of repeated info that we already know..

But Let me just say this..


You are on Target Kermit !!!
 Fire at will !! 

I could never have imagined how corrupted these people could have been and were if I had not witnessed it with my own eyes.

Oduber, he disgusts me the most. You could have lead the group into truth and justice.
You are one weak little man. 
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63454.php

Google translation:

Bijleveld: 'Quick to the table with new government'

October 6, 2009, 15:02 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Netherlands hopes quickly with the new government to be able to table, to work on a good relationship. That leaves Secretary Ank Bijleveld (Kingdom Relations, CDA) appear in a letter to the House, where she reports on her recent visit to Curacao and Bonaire.

The elections are in its results yielded a clear, namely that AVP in the States a more nature position. "One of the principles of AVP for the elections to build a better relationship with the Netherlands. I hope for a positive and constructive cooperation with the new government of Aruba. I will soon with the new government to go table to see how we can work on a good relationship. "Bijleveld that this is important to include the political process and numerous collaborative projects, such as law enforcement.

The Dutch State Secretary also said in the short term expect Aruba to agreement on the study of the state government of Aruba.

"The best result can be achieved when Aruba and the Netherlands in order collectively to provide the Scientific Research and Documentation. I had already had discussions with the previous government. Given the desire of Aruba to a better relationship with the Netherlands to come, I expect this short-term agreement. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 07:56:16 PM

<snipped>

John Silvetti, his crew and supporters are American heroes.    ::MonkeyCheer3::

<snipped>


There was a time this entire forum would have immediately gone up one side of Whiskeygirl's cheer and than down the other.  What changed Monkeys?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Justice for Natalee ... closure for her family and ... loyalty for Kermit who took a huge risk when he exposed the John Silvetti betrayal ... dictates I cannot let the above statement go unchallenged.

Whiskeygirl ... this roboposter will robopost once again.

"I consider those on other forums ... who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words and ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images but  ... continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the morning of May 30, 2005."

Janet

++++++

A REMINDER


THE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:   I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE TARP

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  07-Jan we dove on the trap with Aruban divers and our ROV recording the dive. They found the piece of blue tarp and blue denim-like fabric, and other things I can't identify.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.


THE FABRIC

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingsman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



A REMINDER


THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 06, 2009, 08:03:05 PM
I don't take that poster to seriously myself Janet!I won't give it more attention then what it's worth,which is zilch,in my book! ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 06, 2009, 08:41:51 PM
I don't take that poster to seriously myself Janet!I won't give it more attention then what it's worth,which is zilch,in my book! ::MonkeyCheer3::
I just now read it .... I normally just scan right through. ANYONE defending Silvetti here has either NOT read Kyle's own statements or are simply drinking the Kool-ade of the other sites who are under some delusions that the world only contains people "trying to help". Don't these people comprehend that these "people" they have been trusting are from Aruba and are behind all of these hoaxes and misdirections???? Do they not even TRY to listen to the evidence presented by the likes of Kermit??? Do they think that we at SM are ALL a bunch of non-thinking idiots??? ............. Nevermind, don't answer that.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 06, 2009, 09:06:56 PM
I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 06, 2009, 09:08:36 PM
I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.

Your ghost is skeeering the dolphin Blue Moonn. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 09:20:18 PM
Those on the other forums who refer to the John Silvetti betrayal as a conspiracy theory do not get it.  A conspiracy theory is not necessary.  Kyle Kingman made it easy.  His own words exposed the entire Persistence conspiracy ... from the finding of the trap ... to the professional analyzing of the ROV images in regards to the contents ... to the recovery process when the Project Lead afforded unchallenged to the enemy what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains ... to the attempt to financially benefit from the betrayal through network negotiations.

DESPICABLE!!!

At times I cry when I stop and consider those who were were scammed  into donating to and supporting a venture that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family but ... everything to do with furthering the Aruban cover up agenda.

It is imparitive that this story told by Kyle Kingman in his own words ... Kyle Kingman the ROV analyst on board the Persistence ... is exposed and does not become a faded memory.  If it does ... the implication is that Aruba has won and ... what is so frustrating ... she could not have claimed victory without the assistance of John Silvetti and all those who supported him.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 06, 2009, 09:26:31 PM
I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.

Your ghost is skeeering the dolphin Blue Moonn. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyCheer3::   ::MonkeyCheer3::  (CBB does good work doesn't she?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 06, 2009, 09:29:11 PM
I read it Janet.  Really, really tired to this ignorance put forth concerning Kyle and the Persistence crew.  KYLE's own words are out there for all to read YET they keep coming in here and defending them.  Hero's, yea right.  Wonder how much money they made off Natalee.  In bed with the hero American's on that hell-hole island.  Sucked Dave right in with their promises of returning his daughter,  "Here she is, must come now to get her".  May they rot in he$$.

Your ghost is skeeering the dolphin Blue Moonn. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyCheer3::   ::MonkeyCheer3::  (CBB does good work doesn't she?)

Reminds me of ghosts from episodes of Scooby-Doo.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
HT Klaasend

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Aruba_Premeditated.bmp)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 06, 2009, 11:32:32 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 12:46:29 AM


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sospechoso cu owing to sell luis mansur arm diahuebs fast judge

tuesday, 06 october 2009

oranjestad – after of cu all esnan directamente envolvi owing to wordo sentencia y even cu corte superior owing to deal they caso end, now ministerio publico is follow cu the caso penal contra the another personanan cu is indirectamente envolvi.

diahuebs now the person m.f.f.p. will have to present fast judge for give cuenta for her delito cu the is wordo sospecha of dje. m.f.f.p is wordo sospecha of owing to sell luis mansur the shotgun cu past owing to using hour cu miembronan of arestatie team owing to enter his cas y owing to los tiro. m.f.f.p. because; acolyte of club of tiro owing to sell luis mansur this already cu luis mansur also is acolyte of club of tiro. sinembargo the is wordo persigui already cu according ministerio publico the not have permission for this.

is so cu ministerio publico is acusa m.f.f.p. cu day 28 of november 2007 the had the shotgun in his power without cu the have one permission for this.

also the is wordo acusa of, conhuntamente cu one another or others, owing to entrega one or more arm of candela at one person in the period of first of january 2006 till 24 of september 2007. redactor of casonan of corte will cubri the caso here y will informa we lectornan of all thing owing to sosode in sitting-room of corte. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 12:47:57 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 12:51:58 AM
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 ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi KTF!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 12:56:17 AM
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 ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi KTF!



Good Evening can, texasmom, wreck  ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 01:08:58 AM
TM..Sent an email to klaas in regards to some questions some monkeys had in the James Hogan thread.Ask Klaas to check mail and forward!Let me know when you recieve! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 01:13:20 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2009, 01:24:00 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyWeight::

Goodnight, Monkey Peeps...see you later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 01:25:38 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyWeight::

Goodnight, Monkey Peeps...see you later.

GoodNight & God Bless!You're looking very fit 2nj! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 01:27:15 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 01:28:11 AM
::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyWeight::

Goodnight, Monkey Peeps...see you later.

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on October 07, 2009, 02:48:12 AM

<snipped>

John Silvetti, his crew and supporters are American heroes.    ::MonkeyCheer3::

<snipped>


There was a time this entire forum would have immediately gone up one side of Whiskeygirl's cheer and than down the other.  What changed Monkeys?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Justice for Natalee ... closure for her family and ... loyalty for Kermit who took a huge risk when he exposed the John Silvetti betrayal ... dictates I cannot let the above statement go unchallenged.

Whiskeygirl ... this roboposter will robopost once again.

"I consider those on other forums ... who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words and ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images but  ... continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the morning of May 30, 2005."

Janet

++++++

A REMINDER


THE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:   I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE TARP

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  07-Jan we dove on the trap with Aruban divers and our ROV recording the dive. They found the piece of blue tarp and blue denim-like fabric, and other things I can't identify.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.


THE FABRIC

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingsman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



A REMINDER


THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



I may have missed something...

Are there any words to suggest the family of Natalee Holloway lost faith in John Silvetti and/or any crew of Persistence?

I believe they have the most to lose, the most to gain by any search effort.

The words and opinions of the family hold higher ground that those of posters on any forum or board.

John Silvetti and the crew of the Persistence remain heroes, and people of good character.   

There are those that still believe Natalee may be alive - no remains/evidence in the trap.

The finger still points at Aruba. 

my opinions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 03:28:09 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: can on October 07, 2009, 07:34:01 AM
Keepthefaith, texasmom, wreck  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi KTF!



Good Evening can, texasmom, wreck  ::MonkeyBike::



oops, missed that KTF, so I'll say good morning instead!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Good morning Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 07, 2009, 08:41:33 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63454.php

Google translation:

Bijleveld: 'Quick to the table with new government'

October 6, 2009, 15:02 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Netherlands hopes quickly with the new government to be able to table, to work on a good relationship. That leaves Secretary Ank Bijleveld (Kingdom Relations, CDA) appear in a letter to the House, where she reports on her recent visit to Curacao and Bonaire.

The elections are in its results yielded a clear, namely that AVP in the States a more nature position. "One of the principles of AVP for the elections to build a better relationship with the Netherlands. I hope for a positive and constructive cooperation with the new government of Aruba. I will soon with the new government to go table to see how we can work on a good relationship. "Bijleveld that this is important to include the political process and numerous collaborative projects, such as law enforcement.

The Dutch State Secretary also said in the short term expect Aruba to agreement on the study of the state government of Aruba.

"The best result can be achieved when Aruba and the Netherlands in order collectively to provide the Scientific Research and Documentation. I had already had discussions with the previous government. Given the desire of Aruba to a better relationship with the Netherlands to come, I expect this short-term agreement. "

So do we Bijleveld, so do we!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 07, 2009, 08:47:46 AM
Whiskey Girl,

Yes - I believe you may have missed something.  It came in the words of Private Eye and was regarding the cage, the remains and what he hoped would happen with them.

It also included his fears of what would happen should Persistence not to right by Natalee - sometimes I think the man is psychic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Approx 4 months later, there were yet more words from Private Eye, once he became aware of what REALLY took place on the sea floor - and those words contained the FACT that Beth was concerned at what was found, and what happened with it.

Those are just two public examples of what it sounds like you missed regarding Natalee's family and the "search" by Persistence.

The other concerns were shared with Freebirds via email - and it is your choice whether to believe that or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 07, 2009, 08:48:56 AM
Whiskey Girl,

Yes - I believe you may have missed something.  It came in the words of Private Eye and was regarding the cage, the remains and what he hoped would happen with them.

It also included his fears of what would happen should Persistence not do right by Natalee - sometimes I think the man is psychic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Approx 4 months later, there were yet more words from Private Eye, once he became aware of what REALLY took place on the sea floor thanks to Kyle sharing that with us - and those words contained the FACT that Beth was concerned at what was found, and what happened with it.

Those are just two public examples of what it sounds like you missed regarding Natalee's family and the "search" by Persistence.

The other concerns were shared with Freebirds via email - and it is your choice whether to believe that or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 09:29:23 AM
Whiskey Girl,

Yes - I believe you may have missed something.  It came in the words of Private Eye and was regarding the cage, the remains and what he hoped would happen with them.

It also included his fears of what would happen should Persistence not do right by Natalee - sometimes I think the man is psychic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Approx 4 months later, there were yet more words from Private Eye, once he became aware of what REALLY took place on the sea floor thanks to Kyle sharing that with us - and those words contained the FACT that Beth was concerned at what was found, and what happened with it.

Those are just two public examples of what it sounds like you missed regarding Natalee's family and the "search" by Persistence.

The other concerns were shared with Freebirds via email - and it is your choice whether to believe that or not.
Well said!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2009, 10:33:53 AM
Bucuti Beach Resort Maintains High Occupancy Despite Recession
 Hotels     September 30th, 2009
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Unique product positioning and loyal repeat guests help the resort experience great success

While most of hospitality industry has been feeling the effects of the current economic climate, Bucuti Beach Resort & Spa in Aruba is weathering the storm thanks to an emphasis on repeat business. At Bucuti, the sales and marketing team has maintained high occupancy by focusing on what differentiates the resort from others in Aruba and cultivating close, personal relationships with loyal guests instead of offering discounts.

Since opening in 1987, Bucuti has maintained an annual occupancy level of 90 percent or above and has not fallen victim to the low numbers being reported throughout the industry over the last year. Resort owner and CEO Ewald Biemans believes this is a direct result of the loyal repeat guest base that has been cultivated through years of personal relationship building and product specialty for this destination. In fact, return guests have accounted for nearly half of Bucuti’s bookings in 2009.

“Because Bucuti is an owner-managed resort, we have the opportunity to interact with guests on a personal level,” said Biemans. “My associates and I understand the needs and wants of our guests because we field questions and hear feedback first hand, and this allows us to provide an exceptional level of personal service. We strive to know our guests by name and work to develop a special connection with them, whether it’s making sure every newlywed is welcomed by management when they arrive or taking the time to talk with guests about our environmental practices. We hope they feel so at ease that they are planning their next trip before they ever check out.”

The Bucuti team interacts consistently with guests through a resort Facebook page and Twitter account, as well as a second Facebook page run by the resort’s wedding planner. Bucuti has more than 1,000 fans on Facebook, may of whom communicate directly with one another and resort management by sharing their photos and experiences. This open stream of contact has allowed Bucuti’s ownership and management to correspond directly with guests now more than ever before.

In addition to attracting and enjoying loyalty from repeat guests, Bucuti has placed an increased emphasis on the fact that it is the only resort in Aruba that caters exclusively to couples, and those in the market for romantic travel have recognized this. For example, Bucuti’s Tara Suites were built to honeymooners specifications, and because of this, they are always the first to sell out even though they are the highest priced rooms.

In Biemans’ opinion, couples will still be getting married and celebrating anniversaries regardless of what is going on in the economy, and Bucuti will continue to deliver a top-notch experience that keeps attracting those seeking a romantic, sophisticated boutique resort experience.

“We are confident that by keeping our price structure intact and not discounting, we are supporting the value of our product, allowing us to reinvest in a freshly maintained and updated appearance and due to the high quality of the experience, price has not distracted our guests from booking their wedding, honeymoon or vacation at Bucuti,” said Biemans.

About Bucuti Beach Resort: Bucuti Beach Resort featuring Tara Beach Suites & Spa is Aruba’s premier, intimate, upscale boutique resort for couples. Located on the white-powder sands of Eagle Beach, Bucuti was named one of the world’s most romantic resorts by TripAdvisor. Bucuti offers 104 guest rooms, an abundance of contemporary European charm and a caring and attentive staff. Bucuti is a leader in sustainable tourism throughout the world, is ISO 14001 certified and has been recognized by notable organizations such as the Caribbean Hotel Association, American Express and the International Hotel and Restaurant Association for its environmentally responsible hotel operations. For more information, visit www.bucuti.com.
http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/bucuti-beach-resort-maintains-high-occupancy-despite-recession/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 07, 2009, 10:53:47 AM
Whiskey Girl,

Yes - I believe you may have missed something.  It came in the words of Private Eye and was regarding the cage, the remains and what he hoped would happen with them.

It also included his fears of what would happen should Persistence not do right by Natalee - sometimes I think the man is psychic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Approx 4 months later, there were yet more words from Private Eye, once he became aware of what REALLY took place on the sea floor thanks to Kyle sharing that with us - and those words contained the FACT that Beth was concerned at what was found, and what happened with it.

Those are just two public examples of what it sounds like you missed regarding Natalee's family and the "search" by Persistence.

The other concerns were shared with Freebirds via email - and it is your choice whether to believe that or not.
Well said!!

Thanx Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 10:57:54 AM
A REMINDER

PRIVATE EYE - BETH HOLLOWAY'S BROTHER

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 07, 2009, 11:11:10 AM
Thank you Janet. 

That is a great compilation for Whiskey Girl to read, and by which to educate herself as to the tone of Natalee's family's thoughts regarding the endeavors of the Persistence.

It is extremely unforutunate that what appear to be well timed distractions were taking place right after that cage was found - Pond search hoax, and Nicaragua hoax.

I certainly hope that NO ONE has forgotten either of those, including the VERY concerted efforts to throw everything else to the wind in favor of both.

I have never believed in coincidence where this tragedy is concerned, and I didn't buy that either of those distractions were merely timely coincidences either.

ALL people who were a party to thwarting other efforts in favor of those two hoaxes should feel great shame in what they have done.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 11:19:01 AM

<snipped>

John Silvetti, his crew and supporters are American heroes.    ::MonkeyCheer3::

<snipped>


There was a time this entire forum would have immediately gone up one side of Whiskeygirl's cheer and than down the other.  What changed Monkeys?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Justice for Natalee ... closure for her family and ... loyalty for Kermit who took a huge risk when he exposed the John Silvetti betrayal ... dictates I cannot let the above statement go unchallenged.

Whiskeygirl ... this roboposter will robopost once again.

"I consider those on other forums ... who disregard Kyle Kingman's own words ... those who despicably trashed the messenger who exposed Kyle Kingman's own words and ...  those who have viewed the revealed ROV images but  ... continue to uphold John Silvetti nevertheless ... as participants in the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the morning of May 30, 2005."

Janet

++++++

A REMINDER


THE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:   I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.


THE TARP

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  07-Jan we dove on the trap with Aruban divers and our ROV recording the dive. They found the piece of blue tarp and blue denim-like fabric, and other things I can't identify.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.


THE FABRIC

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand.

Kyle Kingsman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman:  The sediment in this case is fine-grained sand which is preferencially deposited to make a body form. For sand to preferentially deposit, there needs to be a lower energy state where the sand collects and stays. This can be achieved either with a shallow depression creating accomodation space and lower potential energy (not the case) or by creating small eddy currents due to surface friction. The sediment around the door area is being eroded or removed by currents. Where the body was, it is being deposited. Basically, the fabrics created enough resistence for sediment to preferentially collect on it. Further, bacterial staining due to decaying organics acts as a mild cementing agent. Combined, you will have sediment erosion around the body form and deposition on the body form which collects through time. In this case, possibly 2 1/2 years.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



A REMINDER


THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



I may have missed something...

Are there any words to suggest the family of Natalee Holloway lost faith in John Silvetti and/or any crew of Persistence?

I believe they have the most to lose, the most to gain by any search effort.

The words and opinions of the family hold higher ground that those of posters on any forum or board.

John Silvetti and the crew of the Persistence remain heroes, and people of good character.   

There are those that still believe Natalee may be alive - no remains/evidence in the trap.

The finger still points at Aruba. 

my opinions.



Whiskeygirl

This is the only indication that has been reveal on this forum that Beth Holloway acknowledged the John Silvetti betrayal is an email from jen that was posted by Klaas.  However ... I tend to believe that there my be stuff going on behind the scenes and ... it is only a matter of time until ... John Silvetti and those who abetted in covering up his betrayal through their silence are exposed for who they are ... DESPICABLE!!

Janet

+++++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »


According to Jen ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.  

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 12:14:51 PM

The words and opinions of the family hold higher ground that those of posters on any forum or board.


Whiskeygirl ... I agree.  Unfortunately ... the family was not on board the Persistence and was unable to witness the happenings encompassing the trap/cage.  However ... Kyle Kingman was ... Kyle Kingman the ship's ROV analyst and ... he revealed all in his own words.

Please read those words.
 
Janet


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Mere on October 07, 2009, 03:09:57 PM
 This article was dated 10/06/2009


Eman submits list
Cabinet Members


ARUBA--AVP leader Mike Eman submitted his list of ministers to Aruba Governor Fredis Refunjol sooner than many had expected.

The governor had appointed him as the person charged with forming the new government and requested him to give attention to “the necessity of a governmental climate aimed at cooperation and cohesion.”

In the formation task, the governor also calls for “structural measures to stimulate economic growth and make government finances healthy.”

Eman announced the Cabinet division and portfolios as follows: Arthur Dowers will become Minister of Justice and Education; Benny Sevinger will be Minister of Infrastructure and Environment, Michelle Winklaar is to be Minister of Economic Affairs, Social Affairs and Culture, Otmar Oduber will be Minister of Tourism and Labour Affairs, Mike de Meza is slated for Minister of Finance, Transport and Utilities, and Richard Visser will become Minister of Public Health and Sports.

Eman himself will become Prime Minister and Minister of General Affairs, of course.

The new green majority in Parliament also supports the recommendation of Andy Lee as next Parliament Chairman. René Herdé will become AVP’s faction leader while Edwin Abath, who was on the election list, will become Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands.

The latter post had been offered to Paul Croes initially, but he had refused. Eman: “There are some who say that one can also make a political career abroad, while others say this has to be done close to home. Croes opted for the latter and will go to Parliament.

“We considered it important to form the Council of Ministers and the parliament faction now, as we want to use October to negotiate with social partners and organisations. We wanted to do such as soon as possible in order to focus on content.

“We have also tried to gain some time so that the new ministers could prepare themselves well for their tasks,” said the person in charge of forming the new government, on the quick formation of the cabinet.

There was speculation during the past week on a possible coalition with PDR, which had acquired a seat in the elections. Eman: “As soon as the elections had finished, I reviewed the possibility of forming a coalition with Democracia Real, but there was not sufficient support for this within the party.

“However, there is significant support for the idea that Democracia Real is still a different faction than that of MEP. Of course, we must also wait and see if this is actually the case, but within AVP there is certainly the vision of introducing ideas from Democracia Real in our policy, as these ideas are in line with ours for the greater part.”

Prospective ministers will be seated in the former Administration Building rather than in offices used by the MEP Government. “We are currently making it accessible and ready for use. It is in a deplorable state, but we invite everyone to give us a hand.”

Eman will invite the social partners there for conversations during the next three weeks. “During that period we will also be making more spaces in the building ready for use for the other ministers, so that at least the majority of the Council of Ministers can work in the Administrative Building,” he says.

The caretaker Oduber Cabinet, by its own account, wants to have everything in tip-top order for the next government and to arrange the abolition of the BBO sales tax and the increase of social benefits and minimum wages before the transfer, as promised by AVP in the campaign.

Eman: “If they would also arrange for this according to our wishes it would be great. Then we might still have some bi-partisanship at the end of their government, even though I do not think that was the intention.”

The AVP leader said he had forwarded a letter to government and the governor to make sure the transfer of tasks and other matters ran as smoothly as possible, “which is common in other, more mature countries.” However, he “in all honesty” expects that the MEP government will not comply with this.

Eman also denies outgoing Prime Minister Nelson Oduber’s allegation that Mike de Meza, Otmar Oduber and Benny Sevinger are not eligible candidates to become ministers in view of current justice issues. “The formation process includes a phased planning, where the person in charge of forming the new government, together with the governor and with the assistance of the Security Service, reviews all documents and all histories of candidate ministers. I know all of them, and not one of them has been considered ineligible.”
 



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on October 07, 2009, 03:35:16 PM
Tuesday, August 4, 2009
You Go Girls!
 
With much satisfaction we take note of the great amount of ladies that this time around have decided to join in and at last get the opportunity in greater numbers to take part in Aruba's political process and serve the island through there civic service, and to bring that so much talked about yearning for change in the way we conduct politics and in the governing in general of our island. When your hear Monica, Marisol, Evelyn, Michelle, Lainda, Desiree, Clarisca, Maritza, Marila, Marvin, Aiza, Judith y Jeanette speak out, you can feel an air of optimism and in the possible improvement of the way we think, act and eventually even vote on the island. We are not saying that the gentlemen we presently have in place aren't any good, or at the least are not as good as the ladies, because we have to admit that recently we did get a few new men in Aruba politics that also bring with them a superior massage to the public, and a better way in conveying their opinion on their political opponents. The truth is that the guys are joining a boys club that already has been in place for some decades and that unfortunately has not been able to contribute much to improve the erroneous ways we conduct politics in Aruba. Our lady politicians historically until recently, have always been in the minority on the several political party lists in Aruba. They had a great running but never did really get the support for the changes required and had to "go with the flow" and did not bring with them the respect and a sense in civility in their according political party. Obviously 25 macho men would not change their confrontational posturing, exclusiveness and egotism with only one or two ladies in their midst.
Even though the personal attacks and the recycling of historical cries of 10, 20, 30 and even 40 years ago are still pervasive in the media instead of plans and positive views on the future. I will keep holding on to my fervent hope that all the new men and woman that will be added on this Fridays political list for the upcoming election, will have more restraint, better behavior and more respect for the opinion of others. They will from now on soon show more self control and will not go into the customary "ego trip" and emotional outbursts. I would suggest we all try to be more inclusive in our way of thinking as in the end we only have one Aruba, even after the elections we will always keep the same amount of Km2 we have now (unless we artificially add some extra beach front property by means the Dutch "Polder" type reclamation like in Dubai, this may not be a bad idea for the island). So lets have our opinion but always have respect for those of others.


http://theholearuba.blogspot.com/2009/08/you-go-girls.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 07, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 07, 2009, 04:27:57 PM

The words and opinions of the family hold higher ground that those of posters on any forum or board.

Ain't that the truth. And BETH said when she saw the images of the ROV dive "I need time to digest it" - she had not been given those images by the Persistence crew members. So what's that tell ya.

Dave also told Caps he doesn't communicate with people from Scared Monkeys.

don't make me post the suckers!
 :smt063



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 07, 2009, 04:32:08 PM
for wreck

Our government dollars at work. AND this was not from SM, but another place I saw
them investigating about Natalee.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Domain Name house.gov ? (United States Government)
IP Address (My edit) (Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives) ISP Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : District of Columbia
City : Washington



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 07, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700


Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Kyle: I never said there were no human remains
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360330#msg360330



Kyle said: After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains...hmm.


Edit to add http:// to first link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 07, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
Tuesday, August 4, 2009
You Go Girls!
 
With much satisfaction we take note of the great amount of ladies that this time around have decided to join in and at last get the opportunity in greater numbers to take part in Aruba's political process and serve the island through there civic service, and to bring that so much talked about yearning for change in the way we conduct politics and in the governing in general of our island. When your hear Monica, Marisol, Evelyn, Michelle, Lainda, Desiree, Clarisca, Maritza, Marila, Marvin, Aiza, Judith y Jeanette speak out, you can feel an air of optimism and in the possible improvement of the way we think, act and eventually even vote on the island. We are not saying that the gentlemen we presently have in place aren't any good, or at the least are not as good as the ladies, because we have to admit that recently we did get a few new men in Aruba politics that also bring with them a superior massage to the public, and a better way in conveying their opinion on their political opponents. The truth is that the guys are joining a boys club that already has been in place for some decades and that unfortunately has not been able to contribute much to improve the erroneous ways we conduct politics in Aruba. Our lady politicians historically until recently, have always been in the minority on the several political party lists in Aruba. They had a great running but never did really get the support for the changes required and had to "go with the flow" and did not bring with them the respect and a sense in civility in their according political party. Obviously 25 macho men would not change their confrontational posturing, exclusiveness and egotism with only one or two ladies in their midst.
Even though the personal attacks and the recycling of historical cries of 10, 20, 30 and even 40 years ago are still pervasive in the media instead of plans and positive views on the future. I will keep holding on to my fervent hope that all the new men and woman that will be added on this Fridays political list for the upcoming election, will have more restraint, better behavior and more respect for the opinion of others. They will from now on soon show more self control and will not go into the customary "ego trip" and emotional outbursts. I would suggest we all try to be more inclusive in our way of thinking as in the end we only have one Aruba, even after the elections we will always keep the same amount of Km2 we have now (unless we artificially add some extra beach front property by means the Dutch "Polder" type reclamation like in Dubai, this may not be a bad idea for the island). So lets have our opinion but always have respect for those of others.


http://theholearuba.blogspot.com/2009/08/you-go-girls.html

Just laughing at the website:  the "hole" aruba..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 07, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
for wreck

Our government dollars at work. AND this was not from SM, but another place I saw
them investigating about Natalee.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Domain Name house.gov ? (United States Government)
IP Address (My edit) (Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives) ISP Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : District of Columbia
City : Washington



ya think it will sink in someday Kermmie?  I am beginning to wonder.   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 06:10:34 PM

The words and opinions of the family hold higher ground that those of posters on any forum or board.

Ain't that the truth. And BETH said when she saw the images of the ROV dive "I need time to digest it" - she had not been given those images by the Persistence crew members. So what's that tell ya.

Dave also told Caps he doesn't communicate with people from Scared Monkeys.

don't make me post the suckers!
 :smt063



Hi Kermit

It tells me that Dave Holloway failed to reveal those ROV to the mother of his daughter and ... continued an ongoing relationship with John Silvetti.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

How can this be justified?

Janet

+++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »


According to Jen ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.  

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me. I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


DAVE HOLLOWAY - JOHN SILVETTI

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2009, 06:25:27 PM
Whiskey Girl,

Yes - I believe you may have missed something.  It came in the words of Private Eye and was regarding the cage, the remains and what he hoped would happen with them.

It also included his fears of what would happen should Persistence not do right by Natalee - sometimes I think the man is psychic.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Approx 4 months later, there were yet more words from Private Eye, once he became aware of what REALLY took place on the sea floor thanks to Kyle sharing that with us - and those words contained the FACT that Beth was concerned at what was found, and what happened with it.

Those are just two public examples of what it sounds like you missed regarding Natalee's family and the "search" by Persistence.

The other concerns were shared with Freebirds via email - and it is your choice whether to believe that or not.

Thanks jen!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on October 07, 2009, 07:43:50 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 07:53:11 PM
for wreck

Our government dollars at work. AND this was not from SM, but another place I saw
them investigating about Natalee.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Domain Name house.gov ? (United States Government)
IP Address (My edit) (Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives) ISP Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : District of Columbia
City : Washington


Thanks, Kermit .... a little reassurance every once in awhile is greatly appreciated!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho
That's the whole point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She most likely WAS found and spirited away by the Aruban "divers" -- abetted by your "hero" John Silvetti.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 08:02:18 PM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSR runors out of Aruba or Gold Monkeys. I see NO evidence of a continued search by dave or anyone else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 08:03:22 PM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 08:05:05 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho
That's the whole point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She most likely WAS found and spirited away by the Aruban "divers" -- abetted by your "hero" John Silvetti.

Thanks Wreck.

Whiskeygirl

What do Kyle Kingman's own words reveal to you?  Do you not believe the ROV image analysis on board the Persistence who witnessed and heard everything?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 08:44:01 PM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Wreck

I have not heard anything official either regarding the continuing search.  However ... I do know that Debbie (BFN has a personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway and ... somehow do not think that she would fabricate on an open forum.

I do believe the solicitation of funds to further the search in Aruban waters would be considered fraud if there was not anything in the works.

Janet

++++++++
 

1.  February, 2008 - Kyle Kingman is solicitating funds toward the continuation of the search and ... those funds are designated to TES.

2.  April, 2008 - John Silvetti claims that Dave Holloway put him touch with the head of the tourist Association in regards to a "sizable" donation to assist in the costs associated with continuing the search.

3.  July, 2008 - Steve Holloway claims in his comment on SM Front Page that Dave intends to continue the search.

4.  March, 2009 - Tim Miller claims in a NBC.13 interview that there were still 270 targets to search.

5.  June, 2009 - Tim Miller reveals to Dana Pretzer that it is his intention to return to Aruba in regards to the targets that had yet been investigated.

6.  June, 2009 - Debbie (BFN) claims that Dave is working with Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in the raising of funds to continue the search in Aruban waters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4838.1000

Reply #1004

In regards to the Persistence...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
The Persistence,Silvetti,Schaffer,Kingman,Capslockgizzards supporters have NO answers!NADA.....It's called,taking something very SIMPLE,and attempting to make it VERY confusing!That Sh_t don't work here!TRY AGAIN................ ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on October 07, 2009, 09:15:51 PM
Has Anyone noticed that since the Persistence was brought back in this thread in the last several days....We have a poster who comes in... who by the way has not been here at all lately... and starts a distraction campaign...It happens Everytime.....I say ignore the Distracter and Get on with Exposing the Persistence Scam...... JMO!

Scrollin Scrollin Scrollin....Keep the Revelations Rolling!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 07, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho

So basically you are saying if we think she was found we shouldn't be seeking justice because she was found?  Her body needs to be returned to her family.  So to me those pictures prove a body was in that trap.  Whether it was Natalee in that trap or not we won't know unless we continued putting pressure on Aruba.

We aren't giving up.  There are American traitors involved.

Art Wood said this was a professional coverup.  That cage could have been put in the ocean by the same people covering up.

If you are tired of seeing repeated posts my suggestion is just to scroll on by.  You don't have to read them.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 07, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 09:55:06 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 09:57:40 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???
Could be....could be several possibilities. Police involvement is high on my list, though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 07, 2009, 09:59:23 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???

Police Boat or the Tattoo.  Either way the police were involved.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 10:01:10 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???
Could be....could be several possibilities. Police involvement is high on my list, though.

What does anybody think about Paulus,Joran,Gottenbos meeting up with a BIGGER "Police boat" for them to finish off the disposal,in turn,allowing them to get back to the mainland much faster??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 07, 2009, 10:04:46 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???
Could be....could be several possibilities. Police involvement is high on my list, though.

What does anybody think about Paulus,Joran,Gottenbos meeting up with a BIGGER "Police boat" for them to finish off the disposal,in turn,allowing them to get back to the mainland much faster??

That is a very good possibility.

To get back to the mainland just in time to meet up with Beth and Jug.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 10:06:34 PM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Wreck

I have not heard anything official either regarding the continuing search.  However ... I do know that Debbie (BFN has a personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway and ... somehow do not think that she would fabricate on an open forum.

I do believe the solicitation of funds to further the search in Aruban waters would be considered fraud if there was not anything in the works.

Janet

++++++++
 

1.  February, 2008 - Kyle Kingman is solicitating funds toward the continuation of the search and ... those funds are designated to TES.

2.  April, 2008 - John Silvetti claims that Dave Holloway put him touch with the head of the tourist Association in regards to a "sizable" donation to assist in the costs associated with continuing the search.

3.  July, 2008 - Steve Holloway claims in his comment on SM Front Page that Dave intends to continue the search.

4.  March, 2009 - Tim Miller claims in a NBC.13 interview that there were still 270 targets to search.

5.  June, 2009 - Tim Miller reveals to Dana Pretzer that it is his intention to return to Aruba in regards to the targets that had yet been investigated.

6.  June, 2009 - Debbie (BFN) claims that Dave is working with Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in the raising of funds to continue the search in Aruban waters.


About raising the money to continue the search.You have Schaeffer(MULTI_MILLIONAIRE) who works with BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES,as does Silvetti,who can't raise 1.5 million dollars????SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE ME THINKS.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 07, 2009, 10:09:37 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???
Could be....could be several possibilities. Police involvement is high on my list, though.

What does anybody think about Paulus,Joran,Gottenbos meeting up with a BIGGER "Police boat" for them to finish off the disposal,in turn,allowing them to get back to the mainland much faster??

That is a very good possibility.

To get back to the mainland just in time to meet up with Beth and Jug.

All too simple isn't it?Makes me sick.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 10:16:29 PM
This was my original "theory" in late February after the Persistence search. Note that this was BEFORE I learned of the Persistence malfeasance. I wanted to think our Government was clued in and "setting a trap". Note Kyles original reply to my "theory".  :

Quote
Quote from: wreck on Today at 03:20:36 PM
I'm going to dig a bigger hole for myself as I think few are following what I'm saying.
1) The Persistence in all likelihood has found Natalee in the trap.
2) They really did not want to expose this just yet. Why? Because they still need to "prove"
the "whys" and "hows". They have a better chance of accomplishing this if the actual "perps"
aren't "clued in."
3) Why the "Dateline" irregularities? Because "Dateline" was already on board and they had to
 keep up "appearances" so they could continue with their "plan."
4) The posting of the pics on the internet put a severe cramp in their plans.
5) Why is trap so big? Because the body disposal did not happen that night as in Joran's story.
 Her body was put there at least a few days later by a bigger boat involving a larger cover-up.
This why they did not reveal their "finding" yet. They want to find out who has that bigger boat.

Once again -- my opinion.

We have waited 3 years -- hold on -- we're almost there!


~~~~~~
(KYLE: )
I also pray that you are right!  Wreck, I like the way you think. 
Wreck, then what are your thoughts on Mos's press release about the FBI results?

(me) :
Don't know - don't care what Mos says or does. I trusted him up until Thanksgiving time. Never again
.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 10:23:25 PM


ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA - NOVEMBER 19, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: And do you know -- and in terms of boats that night, do you know if any thorough investigation, one that you would have confidence in? Has that been done?

MANSUR: No, it hasn't been done because that night, somebody in the police force told the people handling the radar that controls the boats in the vicinity on the coast of Aruba -- told them to put it off.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


HOWEVER ...


CBS NEWS - MARCH 25, 2006

But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach.

Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page4.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 07, 2009, 10:25:54 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???

THE SAME ONE that recovered the contents of the cage!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2009, 10:26:03 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.
Agree that Natalee was NOT disposed in the sea the first night. It probably took days, from the shallow grave that Tim M. found, to the sighting near the hotel/beach area into the white pickup, to the landfill, to the???
As the coverup crew refined their disposal options over the evolving timeline afforded them by OM/ALE...there was certainly time to place Natalee in the cage that kyle, IN HIS OWN WORDS, describes as the final resting place of Natalee.....
kyle and the persistence coverup crew are truly AMERICAN TRAITORS! and in no way/shape/form, can be thought of as hero's ::MonkeyMad::
...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2009, 10:26:44 PM


ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA - NOVEMBER 19, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: And do you know -- and in terms of boats that night, do you know if any thorough investigation, one that you would have confidence in? Has that been done?

MANSUR: No, it hasn't been done because that night, somebody in the police force told the people handling the radar that controls the boats in the vicinity on the coast of Aruba -- told them to put it off.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


HOWEVER ...


CBS NEWS - MARCH 25, 2006

But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach.

Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page4.shtml

There is that word again................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 10:40:59 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???

THE SAME ONE that recovered the contents of the cage!!!!!!!!!

BINGO!!!

However ... I do not believe the disposal of Natalee in Aruban waters happened for about a week after her disappearance.

1.  Lorenzo's basement.
2.  The Landfill
3.  The shallow grave.
4.  The ocean

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2009, 10:45:11 PM


ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA - NOVEMBER 19, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: And do you know -- and in terms of boats that night, do you know if any thorough investigation, one that you would have confidence in? Has that been done?

MANSUR: No, it hasn't been done because that night, somebody in the police force told the people handling the radar that controls the boats in the vicinity on the coast of Aruba -- told them to put it off.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


HOWEVER ...


CBS NEWS - MARCH 25, 2006

But Dr. Ruben Cruz, the head of the island’s search and rescue team showed 48 Hours that an unweighted body thrown overboard near the shore would wash up on the beach.

Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page4.shtml

Does anyone here really believe that aruba om/ale EVER did a review of the police radar tape that night? my guess - NO.
They waited ten days to allow all aspects of the case to be covered up....
my guess, IF they were pressed to review the tapes (And I don't believe they were ever pressed) they probably responded that the tapes were deleted or taped over...tapes are usually only saved a few daysa at most and then re-taped over to save costs.....
But lets say the tapes WERE preserved and looked at. ALL they would show is blips that indicated a boat went from point A to B to C to....
They would also have to have a visual of that boat to identify the blip was a specific boat. The visual would have had to happen and be recorded or somehow preserved to associate the blip and the boat...pretty hard to do after the fact EVEN if they wanted too; and impossible to do if they didn't want to (That's my guess...they didn't want too).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 10:45:15 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???

THE SAME ONE that recovered the contents of the cage!!!!!!!!!

BINGO!!!

However ... I do not believe the disposal of Natalee in Aruban waters happened for about a week after her disappearance.

1.  Lorenzo's basement.
2.  The Landfill
3.  The shallow grave.
4.  The ocean

Janet




NANCY GRACE = April 24, 2006

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?
 
HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
San ... please delete post 1661.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 07, 2009, 10:56:05 PM
Good night all. 

NATALEE NEEDS TO COME HOME.  ARE YOU LISTENING ARUBA?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 07, 2009, 11:06:13 PM
and...Jaime (one of the "best friends for life) did have that summer job at the Container Terminal....could easily have loaded any cage ...to be shoved off any boat...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231
- I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.  Just in case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2009, 11:10:20 PM
San ... please delete post 1661.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet
I got it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 11:20:23 PM
San ... please delete post 1661.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet
I got it  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas.

Good Night All!

Janet
8:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on October 07, 2009, 11:48:52 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231
- I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.  Just in case.

That just made me cry  ::MonkeyWaa::

Hi All.... ::MonkeyWink::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on October 07, 2009, 11:57:42 PM
Great to see all of the Monkeys posting great stuff. Hope to stop by again tomorrow. Nite all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2009, 11:59:09 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231
- I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.  Just in case.

That just made me cry  ::MonkeyWaa::

Hi All.... ::MonkeyWink::

pb

You're right...it's sad.  When I read it, I thought about passports needing to be renewed at 10 years or before.....   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 12:35:55 AM
Good Stuff tonight Wreck!Hope everything turns out well with Dez! ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 12:41:20 AM
Good Stuff tonight Wreck!Hope everything turns out well with Dez! ::MonkeyFootball::
Don't get me started!!! ::MonkeyMad:: (He did not break any NCAA rules... except lying to the NCAA -- I guess I just don't understand their "system"   ::MonkeyRoll::)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2009, 01:15:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 01:18:39 AM
TM..Sent an email to klaas in regards to some questions some monkeys had in the James Hogan thread.Ask Klaas to check mail and forward!Let me know when you recieve! ::MonkeyAngel::

BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 01:30:55 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



EVERYTHING IN GOD'S TIME

JUSTICE WILL COME


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
TM..Sent an email to klaas in regards to some questions some monkeys had in the James Hogan thread.Ask Klaas to check mail and forward!Let me know when you recieve! ::MonkeyAngel::

BUMP

Sorry I missed this!  I haven't received anything yet...she probably missed it too!

I'll let you know when I receive.   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2009, 02:37:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



EVERYTHING IN GOD'S TIME

JUSTICE WILL COME


 ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on October 08, 2009, 05:10:39 AM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Wreck

I have not heard anything official either regarding the continuing search.  However ... I do know that Debbie (BFN has a personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway and ... somehow do not think that she would fabricate on an open forum.

I do believe the solicitation of funds to further the search in Aruban waters would be considered fraud if there was not anything in the works.

Janet

++++++++
 

1.  February, 2008 - Kyle Kingman is solicitating funds toward the continuation of the search and ... those funds are designated to TES.

2.  April, 2008 - John Silvetti claims that Dave Holloway put him touch with the head of the tourist Association in regards to a "sizable" donation to assist in the costs associated with continuing the search.

3.  July, 2008 - Steve Holloway claims in his comment on SM Front Page that Dave intends to continue the search.

4.  March, 2009 - Tim Miller claims in a NBC.13 interview that there were still 270 targets to search.

5.  June, 2009 - Tim Miller reveals to Dana Pretzer that it is his intention to return to Aruba in regards to the targets that had yet been investigated.

6.  June, 2009 - Debbie (BFN) claims that Dave is working with Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in the raising of funds to continue the search in Aruban waters.


About raising the money to continue the search.You have Schaeffer(MULTI_MILLIONAIRE) who works with BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES,as does Silvetti,who can't raise 1.5 million dollars????SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE ME THINKS.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I remember much monkey discussion about the financial trouble the businesses were in at the time.  The drilling business was in a tailspin, iirc there was even mention of bankruptcy.

So, when you have no money, how hard is it to scrape up a few million?  One million?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 08:27:35 AM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho

Kyle gave the size and probable weight of the cage - easily manouvered by 2 men.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 08:28:52 AM

The words and opinions of the family hold higher ground that those of posters on any forum or board.

Ain't that the truth. And BETH said when she saw the images of the ROV dive "I need time to digest it" - she had not been given those images by the Persistence crew members. So what's that tell ya.

Dave also told Caps he doesn't communicate with people from Scared Monkeys.

don't make me post the suckers!
 :smt063



Hi Kermit

It tells me that Dave Holloway failed to reveal those ROV to the mother of his daughter and ... continued an ongoing relationship with John Silvetti.

  ::MonkeyNoNo::

How can this be justified?

Janet

+++++++
snip


Janet - Dave had never seen them either.  All he had seen were the images from the Dec 29th ROV dive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 08:29:21 AM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Excellent point, Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 08:48:09 AM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Wreck

I have not heard anything official either regarding the continuing search.  However ... I do know that Debbie (BFN has a personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway and ... somehow do not think that she would fabricate on an open forum.

I do believe the solicitation of funds to further the search in Aruban waters would be considered fraud if there was not anything in the works.

Janet

++++++++
 

1.  February, 2008 - Kyle Kingman is solicitating funds toward the continuation of the search and ... those funds are designated to TES.

2.  April, 2008 - John Silvetti claims that Dave Holloway put him touch with the head of the tourist Association in regards to a "sizable" donation to assist in the costs associated with continuing the search.

3.  July, 2008 - Steve Holloway claims in his comment on SM Front Page that Dave intends to continue the search.

4.  March, 2009 - Tim Miller claims in a NBC.13 interview that there were still 270 targets to search.

5.  June, 2009 - Tim Miller reveals to Dana Pretzer that it is his intention to return to Aruba in regards to the targets that had yet been investigated.

6.  June, 2009 - Debbie (BFN) claims that Dave is working with Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in the raising of funds to continue the search in Aruban waters.


About raising the money to continue the search.You have Schaeffer(MULTI_MILLIONAIRE) who works with BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES,as does Silvetti,who can't raise 1.5 million dollars????SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE ME THINKS.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I remember much monkey discussion about the financial trouble the businesses were in at the time.  The drilling business was in a tailspin, iirc there was even mention of bankruptcy.

So, when you have no money, how hard is it to scrape up a few million?  One million?

Wow, I think you missed quite a lot regarding the money.

Let's see.............in a nutshell...............

Superior Offshore (Louis Shaefer) had an IPO (Initial Public Offering) of their stock, and did so with fraudulent information to the SEC.  They inflated the worth of the company, lied about future plans, etc.  Tons and tons and tons of investors purchased stock.

Then Schaefer was paid out HUGE dividends from that ill gotten windfall - multi millions.

Then Schaefer sold many many many of his stocks, and got more multi millions.

Then he anonymously opened a PO Box and solicited for donations for the "search" for Natalee.

Then he hit the high seas with all his ill gotten millions, high tailed it to Aruba............where he promptly told the world that the money was running out.

Then Persistence pulled the plug after having MAPPED a vast area of the ocean floor - in ever deeper waters, in accordance with what Adolpho Richardson told them to do - without ever actually looking at a single one of the other "targets" they had planned to.

So Whiskey Girl you tell me - why would Schaefer pull the plug on this excercise when he has millions and millions to spare?  Why would he have solicited for donations for this search - on his own......ANONYMOUSLY when he has millions and millions to spare?

Why then would John Silvetti get on BFN and post that he needed at least ONE MILLION more dollars to return to Aruba to finish "searching"?

Why would ANYONE need to collect further funds for an additional search to inspect the remaining "targets", when Schaefer has more money than any one person could spend in a lifetime?

Why would ANYONE think that a future inspection of these "targets" is even going to happen - now 2 years after the fact, and NOT ONE THING has been done in those two years to get another trip put together?

The answers?

Jug told LALA'S that the Persistence's main purpose was OIL RELATED.

That little tidbit came directly from her keyboard.

If you had been reading about the oil activity around Aruba lately, you will know that:

1 - Venezuela claims the rights of the ocean surrounding Aruba

2 - Venezuela has newly "mapped/chartered/seismically recorded/eplored" areas of deposits

3 - Russia is currently drilling off the coastline of Aruba

ALL are things that would have required initial data by doing EXACTLY what Persistence was capable of doing while there.

But, as always - you are certainly entitled to believe what you wish to believe.  If you are truly interested in the goings on with all of this - I suggest you do your own research and will find that every single thing I stated in this post is FACT.

But don't take my word for it - or that of the dedicated Monkeys who have helped to find all this information - like I said, do your own research and you will find it all yourself.

Happy digging, Whiskey Girl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 08:57:22 AM
Whiskey Girl - one other thing.

Check the Aruban Chamber of Commerce for all of the MANY recently opened oil related and financial businesses.

And then tell me, if you can do so with a straight face, that NO oil exploration in the past 2 years occurred.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 09:20:37 AM
Also, don't forget that it was Debbie (BFN) and Gold Monkeys touting a "new search" in Jan./Feb. this year along with the "pond" search. Since that time ---- NOTHING. In fact, the big TES fund raiser this summer (Beth was SUPPOSED to be the big star there) was canceled abruptly only the day before. There has been nothing about a Natalee search at all except for the RUMORS and a blurb in an Aruban newspaper in December last year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 09:27:20 AM
Also, don't forget that it was Debbie (BFN) and Gold Monkeys touting a "new search" in Jan./Feb. this year along with the "pond" search. Since that time ---- NOTHING. In fact, the big TES fund raiser this summer (Beth was SUPPOSED to be the big star there) was canceled abruptly only the day before. There has been nothing about a Natalee search at all except for the RUMORS and a blurb in an Aruban newspaper in December last year.

Wasn't it a Dutch newspaper, Wreck?  I seem to remember researching, and getting confirmation from our Dutch posters, the "journalist" who wrote the article was a tabloid type writer.  Oh, and the article, IIRC, only had quotes from John Silvetti - nothing from Natalee's family, or TES for that matter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 08, 2009, 09:30:07 AM
And what's with the "roboposter" comments?

Smells like the late days of CTV, and early days of RU to me.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Wreck

I have not heard anything official either regarding the continuing search.  However ... I do know that Debbie (BFN has a personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway and ... somehow do not think that she would fabricate on an open forum.

I do believe the solicitation of funds to further the search in Aruban waters would be considered fraud if there was not anything in the works.

Janet

++++++++
 

1.  February, 2008 - Kyle Kingman is solicitating funds toward the continuation of the search and ... those funds are designated to TES.

2.  April, 2008 - John Silvetti claims that Dave Holloway put him touch with the head of the tourist Association in regards to a "sizable" donation to assist in the costs associated with continuing the search.

3.  July, 2008 - Steve Holloway claims in his comment on SM Front Page that Dave intends to continue the search.

4.  March, 2009 - Tim Miller claims in a NBC.13 interview that there were still 270 targets to search.

5.  June, 2009 - Tim Miller reveals to Dana Pretzer that it is his intention to return to Aruba in regards to the targets that had yet been investigated.

6.  June, 2009 - Debbie (BFN) claims that Dave is working with Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in the raising of funds to continue the search in Aruban waters.


About raising the money to continue the search.You have Schaeffer(MULTI_MILLIONAIRE) who works with BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES,as does Silvetti,who can't raise 1.5 million dollars????SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE ME THINKS.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I remember much monkey discussion about the financial trouble the businesses were in at the time.  The drilling business was in a tailspin, iirc there was even mention of bankruptcy.

So, when you have no money, how hard is it to scrape up a few million?  One million?

Wow, I think you missed quite a lot regarding the money.

Let's see.............in a nutshell...............

Superior Offshore (Louis Shaefer) had an IPO (Initial Public Offering) of their stock, and did so with fraudulent information to the SEC.  They inflated the worth of the company, lied about future plans, etc.  Tons and tons and tons of investors purchased stock.

Then Schaefer was paid out HUGE dividends from that ill gotten windfall - multi millions.

Then Schaefer sold many many many of his stocks, and got more multi millions.

Then he anonymously opened a PO Box and solicited for donations for the "search" for Natalee.

Then he hit the high seas with all his ill gotten millions, high tailed it to Aruba............where he promptly told the world that the money was running out.

Then Persistence pulled the plug after having MAPPED a vast area of the ocean floor - in ever deeper waters, in accordance with what Adolpho Richardson told them to do - without ever actually looking at a single one of the other "targets" they had planned to.

So Whiskey Girl you tell me - why would Schaefer pull the plug on this excercise when he has millions and millions to spare?  Why would he have solicited for donations for this search - on his own......ANONYMOUSLY when he has millions and millions to spare?

Why then would John Silvetti get on BFN and post that he needed at least ONE MILLION more dollars to return to Aruba to finish "searching"?

Why would ANYONE need to collect further funds for an additional search to inspect the remaining "targets", when Schaefer has more money than any one person could spend in a lifetime?

Why would ANYONE think that a future inspection of these "targets" is even going to happen - now 2 years after the fact, and NOT ONE THING has been done in those two years to get another trip put together?

The answers?

Jug told LALA'S that the Persistence's main purpose was OIL RELATED.

That little tidbit came directly from her keyboard.

If you had been reading about the oil activity around Aruba lately, you will know that:

1 - Venezuela claims the rights of the ocean surrounding Aruba

2 - Venezuela has newly "mapped/chartered/seismically recorded/eplored" areas of deposits

3 - Russia is currently drilling off the coastline of Aruba

ALL are things that would have required initial data by doing EXACTLY what Persistence was capable of doing while there.

But, as always - you are certainly entitled to believe what you wish to believe.  If you are truly interested in the goings on with all of this - I suggest you do your own research and will find that every single thing I stated in this post is FACT.

But don't take my word for it - or that of the dedicated Monkeys who have helped to find all this information - like I said, do your own research and you will find it all yourself.

Happy digging, Whiskey Girl.

I just had to respond to this post by Jen3560.Why?This is the type of post based on facts,as well as Logic & reasoning.As i'm not very good at math,it may take me a minute but,i will try to figure out how long it would take Schaeffer,on interest alone,to come up with 1.5 million dollars!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 12:38:02 PM
Let's just say Louis schaeffer truly wanted to do another search.How long would it take him to come up with $1.5million dollars?Louis puts $10,000,000 in the bank with 3% interest.3% of $10,000,000 is $300,000.Correct?So,realistically,it should've taken Louis about 5/6 months to come up with $1.5 million dollars..Please correct me if my math is wrong!It wouldn't suprise me! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Let's just say Louis schaeffer truly wanted to do another search.How long would it take him to come up with $1.5million dollars?Louis puts $10,000,000 in the bank with 3% interest.3% of $10,000,000 is $300,000.Correct?So,realistically,it should've taken Louis about 5/6 months to come up with $1.5 million dollars..Please correct me if my math is wrong!It wouldn't suprise me! ::MonkeyHaHa::

For WhiskeyGirls sake.Should we continue the mathematical game....Yeahhhhh!Let's just say Louis put $10,000,000 in the bank upon the looting that occured at the stockholders expense,which was close to two years ago,if i'm correct.$10,000,000 dollars has been sitting in an account with 3% interest for close to two years,give or take a few months.I'll use 20 months at 3% interest on 10,000,000 dollars isssssssss,over the course of 20 months??????????????????6 million dollars,6million dollars,6million dollars.....How many searches could they do??????WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR??? ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
Let's just say Louis schaeffer truly wanted to do another search.How long would it take him to come up with $1.5million dollars?Louis puts $10,000,000 in the bank with 3% interest.3% of $10,000,000 is $300,000.Correct?So,realistically,it should've taken Louis about 5/6 months to come up with $1.5 million dollars..Please correct me if my math is wrong!It wouldn't suprise me! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's not forget he has other businesses that should be earning revenue, and when donating services write offs come to mind.    ::MonkeyRoll::   

As for your math, KTF.....mine has always been on the weak side, admittedly, but our balances are much, much lower so I've only had to comprehend interest in cents.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 12:54:08 PM
Let's just say Louis schaeffer truly wanted to do another search.How long would it take him to come up with $1.5million dollars?Louis puts $10,000,000 in the bank with 3% interest.3% of $10,000,000 is $300,000.Correct?So,realistically,it should've taken Louis about 5/6 months to come up with $1.5 million dollars..Please correct me if my math is wrong!It wouldn't suprise me! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let's not forget he has other businesses that should be earning revenue, and when donating services write offs come to mind.    ::MonkeyRoll::   

As for your math, KTF.....mine has always been on the weak side, admittedly, but our balances are much, much lower so I've only had to comprehend interest in cents.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2009, 01:43:20 PM
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4359/image566ku9.jpg)

Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho

Kyle gave the size and probable weight of the cage - easily manouvered by 2 men.

Kyle said the cage was 7.5 ft x 7.5 ft x 2 ft  I think.  I think the trap was already in the water and not
put into the water with Natalee's remains in it.   They knew the trap was there and put the remains in
it to keep the remains from floating to the surface.

I think Janet called herself "roboposter" and Whiskeygirl thought she was referring to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 03:22:45 PM
Where did Marcos come from?
Who sent him?
Who put him in contact with Dave & Tim?
Why did he appear when he did?
Where is he now?
Why not a peep from Dave or Tim in regards to Marcos?

Question,questions,questions...

Inquiring minds want to know!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
While persuing the Nicaragua lead ... does anybody on this forum believe that Tim Miller did not discuss his concerns with Dave Holloway in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence ... happenings encompassing the trap cage?

Does anybody believe that Tim Miller never discussed with Kyle Kingman the events encompassing the January 7, 2009 recovery dive?

Think about it.  Tim Miller ... the liability ... who had been on board the Persistence since December 15, 2008 ... who had seen and observed all ... stepped off the Persistence on January 1, 2008 to persue a false lead with Dave Holloway one day following the ROV dive ... the ROV dive which the Arubans deemed the contents of the trap/cage.

Why was Beth Holloway kept in the dark until she was enlightened by the Natalee Freebirds informed her sometime after May, 2009?

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap. I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day. I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at. My heart broke for Dave and Beth.  Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th. I did not sleep. Few of us did.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated  to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead  in Costa Rica (Nicaragua) IIRC.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


DATELINE NBC - FEBRUARY 22, 2008

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull. ... In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »


According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 04:31:23 PM
SELF-EDIT

contents of the trap/cage not case related.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 04:33:34 PM
If Tim Miller left the Persistence on Jan 1st of 2008.When did Marcos come into the picture?How did this all fall into place,at just the opportune time,to remove Tim Miller from the boat?Me thinks somethin's fishy....JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
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Hi Keepthefaith

I hope you are having a good day.  Our beautiful Autumn weather with a nip in the air is sure something ... isn't it.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 04:35:51 PM
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Hi Keepthefaith

I hope you are having a good day.  Our beautiful Autumn weather with a nip in the air is sure something ... isn't it.

Janet


We've had some beautiful weather!No complaint's outta me. ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2009, 05:04:14 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
If Tim Miller left the Persistence on Jan 1st of 2008.When did Marcos come into the picture?How did this all fall into place,at just the opportune time,to remove Tim Miller from the boat?Me thinks somethin's fishy....JMOO

Keepthefaith

I believe that removal of Dateline and Tim Miller from the Persistence was in the works since Christmas Day, 2007 when the trap/cage was first detected by sonar.  The plan was that Tim M. would not be present when the contents of the trap was recovered.  He would be sent on a mission to pursue a false lead with Dave Holloway.

I believe that John Silvetti anticipated that once the ROV observation dive was deemed not case related by the Aruban divers ... Tim M. and Dateline would be history and ... the Aruban's would recover the contents at a later day. 

I do not believe that:

1.  John S. anticipated the December 29, 2007 ROV dive revealing so clearly what was in the trap/cage?

2.  John S. anticipated Kyle K.'s clear analysis of the contents following the December 29, 2007 ROV dive?

3.  John S. anticipated the call from Tim M. to Natalee's parents.

4.  John S. anticipated Kyle Kingman's concerns.

Keepthefaith ... I have a mini-doc regarding this topic which is included in the compilation I am working on but ... I will need assistance finding it.  I will post this segment of the Persistence story later.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:08:41 PM
Also, don't forget that it was Debbie (BFN) and Gold Monkeys touting a "new search" in Jan./Feb. this year along with the "pond" search. Since that time ---- NOTHING. In fact, the big TES fund raiser this summer (Beth was SUPPOSED to be the big star there) was canceled abruptly only the day before. There has been nothing about a Natalee search at all except for the RUMORS and a blurb in an Aruban newspaper in December last year.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
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Tell us what you think, Debbie. Monkey Devil!

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence. Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.

Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

Also... I think Klaas means SOUL, not sole.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

Good afternoon antunym.Nice to see you!Hope all is well in your world.Natalee needs all the voices she can get.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:11:59 PM

The LEAK -  it is my understanding that Dave asked Tim to go meet with Caps. Tim took Silvetti with him. They talked with Caps then went to the witness.
I asked about the dates & was told Tim did not leave Aruba for a while after being put off the Persistance & that Tim had made several trips back to Aruba. IIRC he did go back & try to get Mos to issue a permit to search the pond. To no avail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:12:35 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:13:22 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

Hi auntunym.
Welcome.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

antunym

Thanks you.

You have no idea how your words provided the encouragement I required.  I was feeling somewhat overwhelmed in my efforts behind the scenes in compiling the many aspects of the Persistence story.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:16:06 PM
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Kermit

Have I told you lately that I love you.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:21:13 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.

LEAK said: "Caps has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person
he thinks it is, is a cop."

Kyle said a cop and his brother met with them on the Persistence and gave them the EXACT location of the trap/cage that Kyle found in the ocean.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:22:47 PM
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Kermit

Have I told you lately that I love you.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


ribbit
 ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:23:11 PM

The LEAK -  it is my understanding that Dave asked Tim to go meet with Caps. Tim took Silvetti with him. They talked with Caps then went to the witness.
I asked about the dates & was told Tim did not leave Aruba for a while after being put off the Persistance & that Tim had made several trips back to Aruba. IIRC he did go back & try to get Mos to issue a permit to search the pond. To no avail.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:26:05 PM
If Tim Miller left the Persistence on Jan 1st of 2008.When did Marcos come into the picture?How did this all fall into place,at just the opportune time,to remove Tim Miller from the boat?Me thinks somethin's fishy....JMOO

Keepthefaith

I believe that removal of Dateline and Tim Miller from the Persistence was in the works since Christmas Day, 2007 when the trap/cage was first detected by sonar.  The plan was that Tim M. would not be present when the contents of the trap was recovered.  He would be sent on a mission to pursue a false lead with Dave Holloway.

I believe that John Silvetti anticipated that once the ROV observation dive was deemed not case related by the Aruban divers ... Tim M. and Dateline would be history and ... the Aruban's would recover the contents at a later day. 

I do not believe that:

1.  John S. anticipated the December 29, 2007 ROV dive revealing so clearly what was in the trap/cage?

2.  John S. anticipated Kyle K.'s clear analysis of the contents following the December 29, 2007 ROV dive?

3.  John S. anticipated the call from Tim M. to Natalee's parents.

4.  John S. anticipated Kyle Kingman's concerns.

Keepthefaith ... I have a mini-doc regarding this topic which is included in the compilation I am working on but ... I will need assistance finding it.  I will post this segment of the Persistence story later.

Janet

also check the date when John and the crew were off the ship. If memory serves me, it was
after that then John changed. If memory serves, John had his own place to stay in Aruba
donated by someone whose name escapes me. But one has to look at the whole picture
of what was going on and where everyone was at when. So check the dates Janet it may
add more to what you are looking into.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2009, 05:27:45 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

antunym

Thanks you.

You have no idea how your words provided the encouragement I required.  I was feeling somewhat overwhelmed in my efforts behind the scenes in compiling the many aspects of the Persistence story.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Your welcome Janet I think your right on when it comes to most of this and you being here expressing it keeps me very hopeful for Natalee to come home.  Keep it up because the squeeky wheel always gets the oil right?  A very big thanks to you Janet.   I'm not always signed on but I'm always looking to see what you and the other loyal people to Natalee have figured out.  You all are amazing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2009, 05:29:42 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

Hi auntunym.
Welcome.
Hello Kermit I look foreward to seeing everything you say here.  You are an amazing person for what you do and through Natalee I love you for it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 05:33:42 PM
Where did Marcos come from?
Who sent him?
Who put him in contact with Dave & Tim?
Why did he appear when he did?
Where is he now?
Why not a peep from Dave or Tim in regards to Marcos?

Question,questions,questions...

Inquiring minds want to know!

Hat Tip:  BLONDE  Ocean Search Thread, page 5

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:36:59 PM
If Tim Miller left the Persistence on Jan 1st of 2008.When did Marcos come into the picture?How did this all fall into place,at just the opportune time,to remove Tim Miller from the boat?Me thinks somethin's fishy....JMOO

Keepthefaith

I believe that removal of Dateline and Tim Miller from the Persistence was in the works since Christmas Day, 2007 when the trap/cage was first detected by sonar.  The plan was that Tim M. would not be present when the contents of the trap was recovered.  He would be sent on a mission to pursue a false lead with Dave Holloway.

I believe that John Silvetti anticipated that once the ROV observation dive was deemed not case related by the Aruban divers ... Tim M. and Dateline would be history and ... the Aruban's would recover the contents at a later day. 

I do not believe that:

1.  John S. anticipated the December 29, 2007 ROV dive revealing so clearly what was in the trap/cage?

2.  John S. anticipated Kyle K.'s clear analysis of the contents following the December 29, 2007 ROV dive?

3.  John S. anticipated the call from Tim M. to Natalee's parents.

4.  John S. anticipated Kyle Kingman's concerns.

Keepthefaith ... I have a mini-doc regarding this topic which is included in the compilation I am working on but ... I will need assistance finding it.  I will post this segment of the Persistence story later.

Janet

also check the date when John and the crew were off the ship. If memory serves me, it was
after that then John changed. If memory serves, John had his own place to stay in Aruba
donated by someone whose name escapes me. But one has to look at the whole picture
of what was going on and where everyone was at when. So check the dates Janet it may
add more to what you are looking into.



Kermit

I do not have any info that implies that John had his own place to stay on the Island.  Believe me ... it there were true ... John would not be the only character in this whole scenario who has a place to stay while in Aruba.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2009, 05:48:33 PM
There is something that I have always wondered.... I know we have some pictures of the dive going on and what was 90 ft below on the ocean floor but in many of Kyles own words he talks about a video of all this going on. We have seen the pictures that are posted but who has the actual video of the dives taking place the sampling and the rest of what went on down there?  Has anyone seen this video he describes or has everyone only seen the pictures only? I apologize if this was addressed already because although I read here everyday I might miss things sometimes lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:49:03 PM
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Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho


Hi WhiskeyGirl,

Perhpas this will help explain in Kyle's own words from an email:

- The trap found offshore the fish huts in 90ft of water had it's rigging intact. The rigging appeared to be what was used in it's normal fishing environment in deep waters. The rigging hooked to the trap in 4 places coming to a termination which joined the 4 strands together with a ring which was laying away from the trap. The rigging consisted of literally hundreds of feet of rope. I couldn't see any markers on the rigging. It's difficult to estimate the amount of rope because it was laying piled up and spread out over the sea floor in a WNW direction, which is the prevailing drift direction. The trap was about 7-8ft long and wide and 2-2.5ft high. If I had to guess the trap's weight, I would say likely between 250-300 lbs.








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
There is something that I have always wondered.... I know we have some pictures of the dive going on and what was 90 ft below on the ocean floor but in many of Kyles own words he talks about a video of all this going on. We have seen the pictures that are posted but who has the actual video of the dives taking place the sampling and the rest of what went on down there?  Has anyone seen this video he describes or has everyone only seen the pictures only? I apologize if this was addressed already because although I read here everyday I might miss things sometimes lol.

I would think it'd be the property of whomever footed the bill for the search.Maybe someone else can clarify?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:52:13 PM
There is something that I have always wondered.... I know we have some pictures of the dive going on and what was 90 ft below on the ocean floor but in many of Kyles own words he talks about a video of all this going on. We have seen the pictures that are posted but who has the actual video of the dives taking place the sampling and the rest of what went on down there?  Has anyone seen this video he describes or has everyone only seen the pictures only? I apologize if this was addressed already because although I read here everyday I might miss things sometimes lol.

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 05:54:03 PM
Jossy said the people handling the radar for the water said the police told them to turn it off.

The police aren't going to tell them to shut the radar off for an idiot and his friends to dispose of a body.  The police wanted that radar shut off because they were involved.  They wanted to make sure it was done right.  Who would have a boat and man power to dump a cage like that in the water?  The police.
I have said from day one that I don't think Natalee was disposed of in the ocean that first night. I think she was deposited by a LARGER boat.

POLICE BOAT???

Police Boat or the Tattoo.  Either way the police were involved.

Now this is interesting. You know that address 7 Catrini.
a.) if memory serves me, it is listed as the address of Marcus Wiggins for Tattoo
b) lalas mom asked me why I had posted that address because it was near where caps lived.


Patrick: And how late was this?
Joran : 02:00…02:30…02:00
<snip>
Joran: his boat is right there…near the pier. I knew that too
<snip>
Joran: And euh….and then we just brought her to that boat.
Patrick: lifted?
Joran: Yeah, quickly; the two of us. And he…


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:54:33 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Louis DOES have legal rights to the footage regardless of Underwater Expeditions status. Louis personally signed the checks for the search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 05:56:48 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

Hi auntunym.
Welcome.
Hello Kermit I look foreward to seeing everything you say here.  You are an amazing person for what you do and through Natalee I love you for it!

ribbit Miss auntunym.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 06:02:08 PM
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Kyle said: "I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains."

Kyle said: " The trap is almost straight out from Arashi in 90ft of water."
 

roboposter response

How massive is that trap?  How heavy?  How many would be required to lift it onto a boat, secure, and transport it into the ocean?

It is some kind of trap/cage looking thing, I am not convinced it held any human remains. 

I think it more likely, the remains are in one of the other targets Persistence did not get the opportunity to follow up on.  Or, the ocean may be a ruse and Natalee was sold.

If people think she is found, there is no reason to keep searching - that is the mistake.  No evidence she has been found.

(roboposter out)

jmho


Hi WhiskeyGirl,

Perhpas this will help explain in Kyle's own words from an email:

- The trap found offshore the fish huts in 90ft of water had it's rigging intact. The rigging appeared to be what was used in it's normal fishing environment in deep waters. The rigging hooked to the trap in 4 places coming to a termination which joined the 4 strands together with a ring which was laying away from the trap. The rigging consisted of literally hundreds of feet of rope. I couldn't see any markers on the rigging. It's difficult to estimate the amount of rope because it was laying piled up and spread out over the sea floor in a WNW direction, which is the prevailing drift direction. The trap was about 7-8ft long and wide and 2-2.5ft high. If I had to guess the trap's weight, I would say likely between 250-300 lbs.


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2008, 06:35:58 PM »


The trap was symmetrical in width and length at approximately 7.5 ft. It was approximately 2.25-2.5 ft high.  You're correct about the ROV video lens distorting perspective due to the paralax view lens. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360072#msg360072


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2009, 06:04:21 PM
It would be real interesting to see this video in its entirety.  I bet there is a lot on the video that we have not seen for example what was under that sand that made the body formation as it was being sampled. I believe what is done in the dark always comes to light so maybe we will one day get to see whats on the whole videotape.  It obviously exists somewhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: hotping on October 08, 2009, 06:14:18 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 06:16:16 PM
It would be real interesting to see this video in its entirety.  I bet there is a lot on the video that we have not seen for example what was under that sand that made the body formation as it was being sampled. I believe what is done in the dark always comes to light so maybe we will one day get to see whats on the whole videotape.  It obviously exists somewhere.

If the entire ROV footage has not been destroyed ... if reasonable suspicion could be shown that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been in that cage/trap and ... if reasonable suspicion could be shown that John Silvetti's objectives were self motivated ... maybe Beth Holloway would have some legal recourse.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 06:16:46 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: Hello Everyone!

Watch out Hotping,there's a scary ghost coming down the stares... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 06:18:26 PM
THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.
Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02

ODD THAT KYLE SUDDENLY STARTS MAKING POSTS ABOUT THE AUTHORITIES IN ARUBA
Dec 18, 2007 - KYLE posted at BFN:   We must use all available press agencies to shed light onto the authorities involved. Pray for the Island, the family, and for a thorough internal investigation

DECEMBER 19 HODGES, LEWIS SCHAEFER, AND TIM MILLER BOARDED THE PERSISTENCE AND REMAINED THERE THE NEXT 24 HOURS
On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours as they continued to scan the ocean floor. The staff was impressive—capable, bright, and extremely motivated. They worked virtually through the entire night. Clearly this was going to be one quality search effort
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 20 LOUIS SCHAFFER AND HODGES DISEMBARK, BUT TIM GOES BACK OUT WITH THE BOAT

The next day (Dec 20), Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 20, HODGES CALLS TIM MILLER ON THE PERSISTENCE AND TIM PUTS HIM ON THE PHONE WITH JOHN SILVETTI

At this point I called Tim Miller now at sea on The Persistence to pass along the new information about the cage. He put me on the phone with John Silvetti who was pleased with my findings. From the boat they emailed a new copy of the model cage to the person constructing an actual model of the cage, and picked it up the following morning upon returning to shore. By December 21, the search team had an accurate model cage and was able to drop it into the water and obtain a sonar signature of the cage.
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 24 KYLE FINDS WHAT HE THINKS IS THE CAGE

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be
 
DECEMBER 29 THEY SEND A ROV DOWN, TIM MILLER SAID IT LOOKED
LIKE A SKULL


And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look. Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull

TIM CALLED AND TOLD DAVE ON DECEMBER 29 THAT THEY HAD FOUND NATALEE

I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive

JOHN WAITED AND WORKED WITH THE ARUBAN POLICE TO ARRANGE THE DECEMBER 30 DIVE, WHICH WAS A VISUAL DIVE ONLY
 
John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive

BUT KYLE TELLS US JOHN DEFINITELY BELIEVED THE ARUBANS ON DECEMBER 30 WHEN THEY SAID THAT NOTHING WAS CASE RELEVANT,

He (John)changed his focus on Dec 30th after the "Dateline dive". It crushed him, but filled him with resolve that he would keep searching and not lose focus on just that. However, it took him off the trap completely IMO. He seemed almost disinterested in the Jan 7th dive (June 17)
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John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains...hmm (June 17

AFTER THE DECEMBER 30 DIVE, JOHN DIDN'T WANT TIM MILLER ON BOARD BECAUSE HE SAID TIM WASN'T NECESSARY ANYMORE, AND WAS A LIABILITY
Kyle feels Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statement to the press and the Holloways that they found Natalee

You're correct. This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly.


ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 30 KYLE TALKED TO TIM AND HE FELT THE ORIGINAL DIVE SITE MIGHT HAVE  BEEN COMPROMISED PRIOR TO THAT DAY

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

WHEN KYLE WOKE UP AFTER TAKING A COUPLE OF HOURS SLEEP ON DECEMBER 30 TIM AND NBC DATELINE WAS GONE WHICH LEFT JOHN AS THE ONLY PROJECT LEAD THERE
from this point on John had them searching in the deepest portions of the search area, which coincided with Richardson's remarks

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

JANUARY 31 KYLE TELLS US THAT JOHN AND HE ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT FROM THE ORIGINAL CREW THAT FLEW IN DECEMBER 15, AND THAT HE WILL BE THERE UNTIL IT'S FINISHED

JAN. 31 -John and I are the only ones left from the original crew who flew in on 15-Dec. I'll be here until it's finished.

ON FEBRUARY 25 KYLE MAKES A POST SAYING THEY MUST LOOK BEYOND ALL THE GARBAGE, AND BY GARBAGE HE MEANS THE TEMPTATION TO TAKE FULL CONTROL OVER THE SITUATION, DISTRACTIONS FROM BOTH WELL INTENDED PEOPLE AND OPPORTUNISTS, AND DISCOURAGEMENT

February 25 Natalie's remains will be found
SNIP
During the process we are presented with two major challenges: 1) to look beyond all the garbage to see God's hand working in the situation as it unfolds, step by step.  By garbage, I mean the temptation to take full control over the situation, distractions from both well-intended people and opportunists, and discouragement
 
SOMEWHERE AROUND FEBRUARY 22 DATELINE SHOWS THE CAGE
FEBRUARY 26 kLASSEND PUTS THE PICTURES OF THE TRAP ON FROM BNH site.
FEBRUARY 27 THE SONAR SEARCH OF THE POND-

which completely legitimized all of Caps stuff he's been looking for
February 27 Caps uses a shango post to give the directions to the pond
March 18 John goes to Mos and convinces him  the Pond needs to be searched
and from that point on the pond is the major thing everybody is looking at, no longer thinking about the cage


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 06:19:12 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: Hello Everyone!

ribbit Hotping.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 06:19:38 PM
I am off for now.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Later Monkeys

Janet
3:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 06:22:19 PM
I am off for now.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Later Monkeys

Janet
3:20 PM PT

Make sure you stay on the sidewalk with that trike Janet! ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 06:22:44 PM
THEY HAD THE USE OF A 2-BEDROOM TIMESHARE THAT WAS DONATED TO THEM

DOVER — Chief executive officer of Sell My Timeshare Now, Jason Tremblay, is the first to say that no one should ever have to use timeshare resort property for a reason as sad as this one.
Tremblay's company is providing a two-bedroom timeshare to the members of the Texas-based search team, EquuSearch, who are in Aruba this week, continuing the search for Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared while on a school trip in 2005
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/BIZ/712190347/-1/rss02

ODD THAT KYLE SUDDENLY STARTS MAKING POSTS ABOUT THE AUTHORITIES IN ARUBA
Dec 18, 2007 - KYLE posted at BFN:   We must use all available press agencies to shed light onto the authorities involved. Pray for the Island, the family, and for a thorough internal investigation

DECEMBER 19 HODGES, LEWIS SCHAEFER, AND TIM MILLER BOARDED THE PERSISTENCE AND REMAINED THERE THE NEXT 24 HOURS
On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours as they continued to scan the ocean floor. The staff was impressive—capable, bright, and extremely motivated. They worked virtually through the entire night. Clearly this was going to be one quality search effort
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 20 LOUIS SCHAFFER AND HODGES DISEMBARK, BUT TIM GOES BACK OUT WITH THE BOAT

The next day (Dec 20), Louis and I disembarked while Tim went back out on the boat. It was clear that the first part of the search (before the ROV team could be called upon) was going to take significantly longer, and we both had business in the U.S. So I took him to the airport the next afternoon, and he planned on returning after Christmas as did I
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 20, HODGES CALLS TIM MILLER ON THE PERSISTENCE AND TIM PUTS HIM ON THE PHONE WITH JOHN SILVETTI

At this point I called Tim Miller now at sea on The Persistence to pass along the new information about the cage. He put me on the phone with John Silvetti who was pleased with my findings. From the boat they emailed a new copy of the model cage to the person constructing an actual model of the cage, and picked it up the following morning upon returning to shore. By December 21, the search team had an accurate model cage and was able to drop it into the water and obtain a sonar signature of the cage.
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 24 KYLE FINDS WHAT HE THINKS IS THE CAGE

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be
 
DECEMBER 29 THEY SEND A ROV DOWN, TIM MILLER SAID IT LOOKED
LIKE A SKULL


And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look. Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull

TIM CALLED AND TOLD DAVE ON DECEMBER 29 THAT THEY HAD FOUND NATALEE

I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive

JOHN WAITED AND WORKED WITH THE ARUBAN POLICE TO ARRANGE THE DECEMBER 30 DIVE, WHICH WAS A VISUAL DIVE ONLY
 
John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive

BUT KYLE TELLS US JOHN DEFINITELY BELIEVED THE ARUBANS ON DECEMBER 30 WHEN THEY SAID THAT NOTHING WAS CASE RELEVANT,

He (John)changed his focus on Dec 30th after the "Dateline dive". It crushed him, but filled him with resolve that he would keep searching and not lose focus on just that. However, it took him off the trap completely IMO. He seemed almost disinterested in the Jan 7th dive (June 17)
----------
John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains...hmm (June 17

AFTER THE DECEMBER 30 DIVE, JOHN DIDN'T WANT TIM MILLER ON BOARD BECAUSE HE SAID TIM WASN'T NECESSARY ANYMORE, AND WAS A LIABILITY
Kyle feels Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statement to the press and the Holloways that they found Natalee

You're correct. This occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly.


ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 30 KYLE TALKED TO TIM AND HE FELT THE ORIGINAL DIVE SITE MIGHT HAVE  BEEN COMPROMISED PRIOR TO THAT DAY

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

WHEN KYLE WOKE UP AFTER TAKING A COUPLE OF HOURS SLEEP ON DECEMBER 30 TIM AND NBC DATELINE WAS GONE WHICH LEFT JOHN AS THE ONLY PROJECT LEAD THERE
from this point on John had them searching in the deepest portions of the search area, which coincided with Richardson's remarks

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

JANUARY 31 KYLE TELLS US THAT JOHN AND HE ARE THE ONLY ONES LEFT FROM THE ORIGINAL CREW THAT FLEW IN DECEMBER 15, AND THAT HE WILL BE THERE UNTIL IT'S FINISHED

JAN. 31 -John and I are the only ones left from the original crew who flew in on 15-Dec. I'll be here until it's finished.

ON FEBRUARY 25 KYLE MAKES A POST SAYING THEY MUST LOOK BEYOND ALL THE GARBAGE, AND BY GARBAGE HE MEANS THE TEMPTATION TO TAKE FULL CONTROL OVER THE SITUATION, DISTRACTIONS FROM BOTH WELL INTENDED PEOPLE AND OPPORTUNISTS, AND DISCOURAGEMENT

February 25 Natalie's remains will be found
SNIP
During the process we are presented with two major challenges: 1) to look beyond all the garbage to see God's hand working in the situation as it unfolds, step by step.  By garbage, I mean the temptation to take full control over the situation, distractions from both well-intended people and opportunists, and discouragement
 
SOMEWHERE AROUND FEBRUARY 22 DATELINE SHOWS THE CAGE
FEBRUARY 26 kLASSEND PUTS THE PICTURES OF THE TRAP ON FROM BNH site.
FEBRUARY 27 THE SONAR SEARCH OF THE POND-

which completely legitimized all of Caps stuff he's been looking for
February 27 Caps uses a shango post to give the directions to the pond
March 18 John goes to Mos and convinces him  the Pond needs to be searched
and from that point on the pond is the major thing everybody is looking at, no longer thinking about the cage


WOW!

Kermit ... Ribbit.

I will read later.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 06:25:17 PM
I am off for now.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Later Monkeys

Janet
3:20 PM PT

Make sure you stay on the sidewalk with that trike Janet! ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 06:44:16 PM
I am off for now.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Later Monkeys

Janet
3:20 PM PT

Make sure you stay on the sidewalk with that trike Janet! ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 08, 2009, 06:45:57 PM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Fri Dec. 28 1200 hrs.
"last night, most of the crew and search team took a break and had dinner on the island.

WHAT CHANGED FOR SILVETTI AFTER DECEMBER  30TH according to Kyle that is the date that John didn't want to talk about the trap anymore.


January 9, 2008 through January 14 Kyle is off the ship staying at the Holiday Inn



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Thanks Kermit.

I had read this quote of Kyle Kingman many times but just now realized its implication.

Think about it.  The sonar discovery of the cage/trap was on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 07:19:39 PM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Thanks Kermit.

I had read this quote of Kyle Kingman many times but just now realized its implication.

Think about it.  The sonar discovery of the cage/trap was on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet



Your thoughts Janet?What am i missing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2009, 07:26:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63544.php

Google translation:

Eman: Central Bank very worried about economy


October 8, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

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Formateur Mike Eman with Attorney General Rob Pietersz.

ORANGE CITY - The first talks between formateur Mike Eman government organizations, social partners, civil agencies, financial institutions and advisory bodies have begun. The interview with the Central Bank of Aruba would appear that this is very concerned about the current state of the economy, partly by the previous government caused MEP.

Yesterday he received representatives of the Government Office and the Central Bank of the Advisory Council and Attorney-General Rob Pietersz. The talks went smoothly according formateur Eman.

"As for the Advisory Council, we, together many of the laws they are in treatment have gone through." A number of changes that the Council wants to see in the way of the States were discussed. If the Council wishes that instead of seven separate budgets for each ministry there is a joint budget containing a breakdown into ministry. "To receive the Minister of Finance and the Prime Minister greater control over the financial policy of the Land Aruba", said Eman, indicating that those thoughts more or less correspond to the positions AVP entered into the election period.

Economic downturn
The Central Bank therefore expressed her concerns about the economy, says Eman. "They see the impact of the global economic crisis now in a severe form arrived on our island. This can be seen in the decline of tourism revenue, the decline in spending by the people and the current lack of growth of our economy. We were themselves already well aware of these developments and have to anticipate it. Therefore we are sure that if our policies, including the elimination of BBO, clear policies and economic incentives are introduced, the economy of Aruba after a few months will improve. Which not only we as a government, but also the private and social sector know where we go, "said Eman. The formateur, the Central Bank confirmed that the current state of the economy partly due to the economic policy and taxation from the Oduber government and partly to the economic crisis.

The conversation with Attorney General Rob Pietersz was largely confidential, said Eman. What he lost was about, was that the deteriorating relationship with the Netherlands was discussed and that this work should be. The crime on the island and especially the homeless addicts, there was also extensive discussion about. "We have said from the PG that we have in the first few months to see positive results of our policy on this," said Eman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
Could it be that the Persistence endeavor was deceptively two fold from the getgo ... oil mapping and searching for Natalee Holloway's remains.  However ... it was not until the Dectective and (?) ... just prior to the sonar discovery ... entered the scenario that John S. sold out and ... he  became a participate in the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?

The timing of the Dectective and (?) entering the scene and ... the locating of the crab/trap is so coincidental.

Janet

+++++++

DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:   The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


++++++++


DOMPIG - SEARCH THE OCEAN

CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY


Page 167/168:  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.  The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.  He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2009, 07:40:20 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63542.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Kandiaat Plenipotentiary Minister Edwin Abath: "We go for it '

October 8, 2009, 14:04 (GMT -04:00)

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Edwin Abath


ORANGE CITY - For Edwin Abath (ASF) was requested by the formateur Mike Eman (AVP) to the post of Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba in the Netherlands to play it as a surprise, although he was somewhat prepared.

During the 2005 elections because there was already mentioned that he would be dispatched to the Netherlands, AVP had won. The only difference is that according Abath years he was not on the electoral list and thus is outputted as ministers. "After I had received the proposal, I submitted to my family of course. Anyway this is because a big change for them. Then once everyone has accepted it, I contacted the formateur and informed him that we are going. "

Abath says an active attitude to adopt in his role of minister plenipotentiary. "Our people can count on a representative of Aruba in the Netherlands, someone's eyes and ears of the Aruban government can be in terms of Arubans in the Netherlands. Aruba House is a place where elderly, students and people with the desire to return, can receive the necessary assistance. "Abath Aruba House also wants the cultural values of the island out into the Netherlands. It all "in direct contact with the Prime Minister to task our best to implement".

Edwin Abath by Eman asked for the post of Minister Plenipotentiary, after Paul Croes thanked for the sake of offering a political career close to home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 07:52:20 PM
Could it be that the Persistence endeavor was deceptively two fold from the getgo ... oil mapping and searching for Natalee Holloway's remains.  However ... it was not until the Dectective and (?) ... just prior to the sonar discovery ... entered the scenario that John S. sold out and ... he  became a participate in the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?

The timing of the Dectective and (?) entering the scene and ... the locating of the crab/trap is so coincidental.

Janet

+++++++

DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:   The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


++++++++


DOMPIG - SEARCH THE OCEAN

CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY


Page 167/168:  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.  The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.  He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...

Sounds very compelling to muah! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 08, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
Keepthefaith, Kermit, Tamikosmom, antunym, jen3560 and 3 Guests

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Where are the rest of our Monkey's......

 :smt039 :smt039 :smt039 :smt039


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 08:05:16 PM
Keepthefaith, Kermit, Tamikosmom, antunym, jen3560 and 3 Guests

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Where are the rest of our Monkey's......

 :smt039 :smt039 :smt039 :smt039

wreck, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, Magnolia, San and 6 Guests

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Better get Wreck a seat belt for his embroidered monkey chair with all the posting that took place! ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 08:16:01 PM
Better get Wreck a seat belt for his embroidered monkey chair with all the posting that took place! ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
I just caught up! Present accounted for! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Better get Wreck a seat belt for his embroidered monkey chair with all the posting that took place! ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::
I just caught up! Present AND accounted for! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 08:23:32 PM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Fri Dec. 28 1200 hrs.
"last night, most of the crew and search team took a break and had dinner on the island.

WHAT CHANGED FOR SILVETTI AFTER DECEMBER  30TH according to Kyle that is the date that John didn't want to talk about the trap anymore.


January 9, 2008 through January 14 Kyle is off the ship staying at the Holiday Inn



Well, Kermit, you were reading my mind.  I was just in archives a while ago (Phone rang ) and read that Kyle posted he was on R&R for 4 nights 1/10 to 1/14.   Then I found this:

Well back to work.  Goodnight all.  God bless.  Thanks for the prayers and words of encouragment. All the crew is sincerely thankful for the support. ~K

We had questioned how he could post on his blog like he was there, and he had answered that he could still monitor what was going on and not let everyone know that he was off the boat (my words, not his). 

I was just thinking about the timeline, here.   Lifesong, where are you?

Sorry this is so late...I started to post and took the phone call.    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 09:19:41 PM

THE JOHN SILVETTI/TIM TRAHAN BETRAYAL

When I consider Kyle Kingman's own words ... I do believe that from now on I will reference "The John Silvetti and Tim Trahan Betrayal".

Tim Trahan was the Persistence's only diver on the observation dive of December 30, 2007 and ... he was not one of the divers on the recovery dive of January 7, 2008.

Think about it!  The Aruban divers deemed the trap not case related but ... Tim Trahan claims his vision was obscured by sediment from a passing skate.  The Aruban divers appear to have had a substantial airl supply but ... Tim Trahan was required to surface.

What redeeming quality in regards to the search effort for Natalee Holloway's remains did Tim Trahan contribute as as a legacy?

 Janet

+++++++

THE PERSISTENCE'S DIVER - TIM TRAHAN

1.  THE SIGNAL


Why would Tim Trahan makes up a signal for the viewers of Dateline ... a signal that had no meaning to anybody but him?
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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM »


To clarify the thumb down issue: It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive. One thumb up was to indicate human remains.  There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.280


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee.  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


2. VISIBILITY - AIR TIME

Tim Trahan's visibility was hindered but ... the Aruban divers clearly observed.

Tim Trahan enters the dive with an insufficient air supply leaving the Aruban divers on the ocean floor to determine whether the contents of the cage/trap were case related.
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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM »


By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.28


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. 

Kyle Kingman:   It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


3.  INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.

What did Tim Trahan have to contribute to the collaboration that left John Silvetti "out of the loop" ... Tim Trahan who was the December 30th diver who saw nothing ... Tim Trahan who was "out of the country" on January 7th when the Aruban divers took sole possession of the trap's contents?

What did the archive copy of the ROV footage that Tim Trahan possessed reveal?
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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time.

Kyle Kingman:  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman:   Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle Kingman:  Differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 10:10:03 PM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Fri Dec. 28 1200 hrs.
"last night, most of the crew and search team took a break and had dinner on the island.

WHAT CHANGED FOR SILVETTI AFTER DECEMBER  30TH according to Kyle that is the date that John didn't want to talk about the trap anymore.


January 9, 2008 through January 14 Kyle is off the ship staying at the Holiday Inn



Well, Kermit, you were reading my mind.  I was just in archives a while ago (Phone rang ) and read that Kyle posted he was on R&R for 4 nights 1/10 to 1/14.   Then I found this:

Well back to work.  Goodnight all.  God bless.  Thanks for the prayers and words of encouragment. All the crew is sincerely thankful for the support. ~K

We had questioned how he could post on his blog like he was there, and he had answered that he could still monitor what was going on and not let everyone know that he was off the boat (my words, not his). 

I was just thinking about the timeline, here.   Lifesong, where are you?

Sorry this is so late...I started to post and took the phone call.    ::MonkeyKiss::

Why was Kyle posting on his R&R...why lead us to believe he was on the ship?   Why not say it as it is, at that time?  Why question what we had not asked?  What really was going on? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 10:24:39 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap. There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand. The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

Just after the 30th of Dec we were told it would take about 10-14 days to bring in a Dutch team capable of processing an underwater site.

Jan 9th through 13th I was off the boat and staying at the Holiday Inn for a much-needed break. I walked up and down the beach many times a day. On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site. I talked to a wind surfer instructor who claims to be at the beach every day for 8 years. He said the boat always comes up the shore just south of where we were standing, turns away and heads offshore. He said it never goes where it was and has never seen it stop.

The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day. I triangulated it's position the best I could using a wrist watch and a few points on land. It was right on the target location based on the measurements.

When I returned to the Persistence (14-Jan) there were no more talks about a trap recovery. When I pressed the issue, I was told "they're no longer interested in the trap or it's recovery".

I raised the issue again in early February and the response was the same - no interest about the trap and no plans to recover.

I assume one of three scenarios: 1) They genuinely aren't interested in the trap, 2) They are/were interested and will take care of it themselves (or have already done so) and don't want us informed or involved, or 3) They already recovered the trap (or processed the site) and don't want us to know for whatever reason, good or otherwise.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John [Silvetti]. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".

Kyle Kingman:  The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site. This was 12 and 13 days later. Coincidence perhaps?

Kyle Kingman:  Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 10:39:02 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap. There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand. The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

Just after the 30th of Dec we were told it would take about 10-14 days to bring in a Dutch team capable of processing an underwater site.

Jan 9th through 13th I was off the boat and staying at the Holiday Inn for a much-needed break. I walked up and down the beach many times a day. On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site. I talked to a wind surfer instructor who claims to be at the beach every day for 8 years. He said the boat always comes up the shore just south of where we were standing, turns away and heads offshore. He said it never goes where it was and has never seen it stop.

The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day. I triangulated it's position the best I could using a wrist watch and a few points on land. It was right on the target location based on the measurements.

When I returned to the Persistence (14-Jan) there were no more talks about a trap recovery. When I pressed the issue, I was told "they're no longer interested in the trap or it's recovery".

I raised the issue again in early February and the response was the same - no interest about the trap and no plans to recover.

I assume one of three scenarios: 1) They genuinely aren't interested in the trap, 2) They are/were interested and will take care of it themselves (or have already done so) and don't want us informed or involved, or 3) They already recovered the trap (or processed the site) and don't want us to know for whatever reason, good or otherwise.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John [Silvetti]. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".

Kyle Kingman:  The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site. This was 12 and 13 days later. Coincidence perhaps?

Kyle Kingman:  Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

I wish Wreck was here to speak with you.  Ever since your mission, he has been steadfast in his belief that evidence relating to Natalee's disappearance was recovered, and that the FBI knows and has known since that time what was recovered. 

Kermit has asserted that the FBI was not aware of everything, and we have deduced that switching of evidence and cover up continues.

Kermit has not asserted anything about you that I am aware of.  He has, however, confirmed some of our suspicions about the gathering of evidence and has encouraged us to look at the Aruban divers and others involved with the dives.

While we have you, some of us are confused about the 11th and 12th of January.  It seems you were on land for a break and observed, from shore, a dive taking place.  I think we area confused because the Persistence journal indicated you were on board during that time.  Maybe you can clear that up for us, since we are interested in the dives.

By the way, how's your little angel, and thanks for swinging by.



I've always liked the way Wreck thinks. The FBI at least knows everything that I know, but so what.

I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well.  My concern was the trap was being cleaned up (legitimately or otherwise), but I have no evidence of this either way as we never revisited the site.

Slight conflict in dates....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:00:35 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap. There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand. The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

Just after the 30th of Dec we were told it would take about 10-14 days to bring in a Dutch team capable of processing an underwater site.

Jan 9th through 13th I was off the boat and staying at the Holiday Inn for a much-needed break. I walked up and down the beach many times a day. On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site. I talked to a wind surfer instructor who claims to be at the beach every day for 8 years. He said the boat always comes up the shore just south of where we were standing, turns away and heads offshore. He said it never goes where it was and has never seen it stop.

The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day. I triangulated it's position the best I could using a wrist watch and a few points on land. It was right on the target location based on the measurements.

When I returned to the Persistence (14-Jan) there were no more talks about a trap recovery. When I pressed the issue, I was told "they're no longer interested in the trap or it's recovery".

I raised the issue again in early February and the response was the same - no interest about the trap and no plans to recover.

I assume one of three scenarios: 1) They genuinely aren't interested in the trap, 2) They are/were interested and will take care of it themselves (or have already done so) and don't want us informed or involved, or 3) They already recovered the trap (or processed the site) and don't want us to know for whatever reason, good or otherwise.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John [Silvetti]. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".

Kyle Kingman:  The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site. This was 12 and 13 days later. Coincidence perhaps?

Kyle Kingman:  Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

I wish Wreck was here to speak with you.  Ever since your mission, he has been steadfast in his belief that evidence relating to Natalee's disappearance was recovered, and that the FBI knows and has known since that time what was recovered. 

Kermit has asserted that the FBI was not aware of everything, and we have deduced that switching of evidence and cover up continues.

Kermit has not asserted anything about you that I am aware of.  He has, however, confirmed some of our suspicions about the gathering of evidence and has encouraged us to look at the Aruban divers and others involved with the dives.

While we have you, some of us are confused about the 11th and 12th of January.  It seems you were on land for a break and observed, from shore, a dive taking place.  I think we area confused because the Persistence journal indicated you were on board during that time.  Maybe you can clear that up for us, since we are interested in the dives.

By the way, how's your little angel, and thanks for swinging by.



I've always liked the way Wreck thinks. The FBI at least knows everything that I know, but so what.
I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well.  My concern was the trap was being cleaned up (legitimately or otherwise), but I have no evidence of this either way as we never revisited the site.

Slight conflict in dates....

Again,
I want to make it very clear that I thought the FBI was clued in when I made that statement in EARLY '08. I thought it was pretty evident that the Persistence indeed found something in that trap. I just had no idea that the Persistence was witholding the evidence they APPARENTLY found. Certainly by Nov. '08 I had NO illusions that the FBI knew everything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:12:34 PM
KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap. There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand. The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

Just after the 30th of Dec we were told it would take about 10-14 days to bring in a Dutch team capable of processing an underwater site.

Jan 9th through 13th I was off the boat and staying at the Holiday Inn for a much-needed break. I walked up and down the beach many times a day. On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site.  I talked to a wind surfer instructor who claims to be at the beach every day for 8 years. He said the boat always comes up the shore just south of where we were standing, turns away and heads offshore. He said it never goes where it was and has never seen it stop.

The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day. I triangulated it's position the best I could using a wrist watch and a few points on land. It was right on the target location based on the measurements.

When I returned to the Persistence (14-Jan) there were no more talks about a trap recovery. When I pressed the issue, I was told "they're no longer interested in the trap or it's recovery".

I raised the issue again in early February and the response was the same - no interest about the trap and no plans to recover.

I assume one of three scenarios: 1) They genuinely aren't interested in the trap, 2) They are/were interested and will take care of it themselves (or have already done so) and don't want us informed or involved, or 3) They already recovered the trap (or processed the site) and don't want us to know for whatever reason, good or otherwise.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Jan 7th Dive I got off the boat for R&R from the 9th-14th at the Holiday Inn.

Meanwhile I'm standing on the beach watching the Dutch Coast Guard at the trap site for 42 and 45 minutes respectively over two days (11-12th). When I got back to the Hotel on the 11th and 12th after seeing the coasties out there I told John [Silvetti]. He didn't want to hear it and didn't believe it. However, a couple weeks later he told me he looked into it by talking to Richardson who said "...not to worry, the Coast Guard doesn't have dive capabilities".

Kyle Kingman:  The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division. It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site. This was 12 and 13 days later. Coincidence perhaps?

Kyle Kingman:  Unless the FBI already knew the Dutch were on site doing a sweep.. I doubt they know it was done, if it were. I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them. I tried to confirm or disprove the Dutch coast guard having been on site twice but I could do neither."

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

2NJ ... I never notices the discrepancies prior to your post.

If I am comprehending correctly ... Kyle Kingman's blog that was intended to inform those who were upholding the Persistence endeavor with their prayers and financial support was nothing but BS.  I hope my take is all wrong.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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The Search for Natalee Holloway

The purpose of this blog is to give an inside look into the search for Natalee Holloway, offshore Aruba, Dec-2007. All writings are from a geophysical engineer and marine geologist on board the search vessel R/V Persistence. All quotes are direct quotes. All information in this site is reviewed for content and accuracy. This site will be updated daily until the search is terminated.

X. Persistence  

Fri 12-Jan 1145 hrs

The seas calmed down dramatically since Wednesday. Last night was smooth sailing and saw double the progress of the previous nights.


Thurs 11-Jan 0030 hrs

The bathymetric survey of the new grid is completed. The search area now totals approximately 57 sq miles, compared to the original 22 sq miles.

Maritime map making has long been an integral aspect of ocean exploration. As adventure seeking sea-faring men of old expanded their frontier, master artisans such as Ortelius and Cicero painstakingly plotted their progress. Instead of producing drab plots where form follows function, they used their artistry to produce meaningful navigation aids and passionately capture the spirit of exploration into their product. Areas of the yet-unknown are filled with caricatures of sea monsters and mermaids.

Today, a new generation of maritime map making, perhaps ushered in by Heezen and Tharpe, provides a new look into the abyss. Hand-painted murals with Latin place names are now replaced with computer generated 3D perspective views with satellite imagery. The old merchant ships and frigates that once sailed these waters charting coastlines and reefs claimed by the sea can now be found and mapped. It's an interesting connection between the old and new and we sail the same seas.


Wed 09-Jan 1816 hrs

All Internet connectivity was lost for two days due to rough seas and equipment failure. The old adage "No news is good news" only applies on land. Offshore, the 'Law of the Sea' rules and no news usually just means "lost contact". The seas were 6-8ft with the occasional 12+ft swell. The past two nights were spent conducting a bathymetry-only survey of the new grid. The new grid more than doubles the original search area. If completed, the total area thoroughly searched will be 80% the size of Aruba. Currently, the seas are calm relative to what we've been experiencing. The four digits posted on the echo-sounder is a reminder of the limits being put to the test.

Every body of water near land has its own unique character, temperament, and color. The nature of water is governed by the trio of land, sea, and sky. The sea surface reflects the sky, the water column contains the turbidity from the land, and the seabed stares upward through the water column as long as the water allows it to. However, as the seabed falls away into the abyss, the color is always the same dark navy blue. Staring into these deep and dark waters reminds me that this island is surrounded by the same water that flows throughout our entire world. On the surface, the expanse of the sea divides us. Looking deeper, it is really what connects us all. Perhaps the sea gives a reflection of human nature and not just the sky.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-01-17T21%3A29%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=7

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/x-persistence.html


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XI. The Leviathan Lair

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Flashback: Sat 12-Jan 2000 hrs

Line by line through the night and day, the captain, navigator and I evade the beast. My eyes are focused and hands steady at the controls as the captain brings the Persistence around on line for one last joust through the Leviathan’s lair. Communication is clear and concise. The teamwork between the operator, navigator and boat captain is crucial to our success. The towfish descends where the sentient beast is waiting and ready. This time, the beast reluctantly submits and the Leviathan retreats to its lair after being bested time and time again. The Persistence claims the victory.

A prolonged operation of any kind at or near their limits often leads to trouble and breakdown. The Persistence has operated under strenuous conditions for over a month without incident, failure, or breakdown of any kind. After the battle with the beast, the Persistence heads to the dock for some needed preventative equipment maintenance and rest for the crew. A couple days rest after nearly a month without ceasing is a welcome break for all.


Sat 12-Jan 1340 hrs

The progress of the past couple nights embolden the search team and fortified our confidence to begin work on the deepest portion of the search area. After the bathymetric survey, a plan of attack was drafted and we set out into the depths. The previous search areas gave us the impression the seabed was a worn, tired, old beast with a relatively subdued attitude and benign character. However, adventuring into the depths brought us straight into the grasp of a much different beast. We found ourselves in the lair of the Leviathan.

Descending into the depths, 3000 ft+ of cable spools off the winch. The Persistence slows as the towfish fades far behind the boat. After a long while, the seabed- smooth and welcoming begins to come into range. We descend further, but proceed with a tense sense of danger. It's suddenly clear the beast was waiting for us with baited breath. The towfish narrowly escapes being devoured, skirting between several massive fang-like rocks. A large curled stony-tongue extrudes beneath the sonar, passing through the beast's jaws. The Persistence quickly fires the throttles forward vaulting the sonar away from the sea floor. Without hesitation, the mighty beast gives chase with surprising agility. Skimming over ancient carbonate spines and a bifurcated tail of current-quarried rock the towfish takes flight, besting the Leviathan.

With the lessons and limits learned from the first pass, we strategically withdraw before moving in for the fight. Line by line, the Leviathan and the Persistence battle all night and through the morning. The beast knows that with one slip the towfish belongs to him. We know that if our assault is flawless, the Leviathan will yield its secrets.
 
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-01-17T21%3A29%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=7

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/xi-leviathan-lair.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:22:07 PM
Janet:
Quote
2NJ ... I never noticed the discrepancies prior to your post.

If I am comprehending correctly ... Kyle Kingman's blog that was intended to inform those who were upholding the Persistence endeavor with their prayers and financial support was nothing but BS.  I hope my take is all wrong.
No, I think your take is 100% correct!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Pure, unadulterated crap!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:22:17 PM
The only problem is that the updates on Kyle's blog were nothing but lies.

  ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #662 on: November 20, 2008, 09:21:05 PM »


I've always liked the way Wreck thinks. The FBI at least knows everything that I know, but so what.

I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well.  My concern was the trap was being cleaned up (legitimately or otherwise), but I have no evidence of this either way as we never revisited the site.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551145;topicseen#msg551145


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:23:07 PM
Mods

Please change the yellow highlight in my post to red.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:26:14 PM
The only problem is that the updates on Kyle's blog were nothing but lies.

  ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #662 on: November 20, 2008, 09:21:05 PM »


I've always liked the way Wreck thinks. The FBI at least knows everything that I know, but so what.

I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well.  My concern was the trap was being cleaned up (legitimately or otherwise), but I have no evidence of this either way as we never revisited the site.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551145;topicseen#msg551145



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 11:26:26 PM
Janet:
Quote
2NJ ... I never noticed the discrepancies prior to your post.

If I am comprehending correctly ... Kyle Kingman's blog that was intended to inform those who were upholding the Persistence endeavor with their prayers and financial support was nothing but BS.  I hope my take is all wrong.
No, I think your take is 100% correct!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Pure, unadulterated crap!!!

The American traitors are a disgrace to their family,friends,and most of all,Natalee Holloway...

::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
I'm not a mod -- but I play one on the internet!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:28:03 PM
Thanks Wreck.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:30:48 PM
Thanks Wreck.

Janet
Your welcome --- that yeller color is hard to read!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 11:34:51 PM
Janet:
Quote
2NJ ... I never noticed the discrepancies prior to your post.

If I am comprehending correctly ... Kyle Kingman's blog that was intended to inform those who were upholding the Persistence endeavor with their prayers and financial support was nothing but BS.  I hope my take is all wrong.
No, I think your take is 100% correct!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Pure, unadulterated crap!!!

I had questioned him back then.  didn't get how he could be speaking as he was on the ship but really on the island....he had an answer.. ..IF his posts mirrored the same info it wouldn't be an issue for me....unfortunately, they don't match and I didn't and don't read everywhere he may have been..so I can't compare any quotes other than what I've seen here.....I lean toward his being deceitful......JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:37:54 PM
The truth or nothing!!

I hate deception.  It hurts.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 08, 2009, 11:37:58 PM
Seems to me that the more we look at the scenario the American traitors call a search,the more and more it seems much of it was calculated deception,fraud,and downright evil,to say the least.JMOO... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 11:38:36 PM
Mods

Please change the yellow highlight in my post to red.

Thanks

Janet

I finally found the yellow...and fixed it!      ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:41:28 PM
Mods

Please change the yellow highlight in my post to red.

Thanks

Janet

I finally found the yellow...and fixed it!      ::MonkeyHaHa::
You don't like my work??  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 11:41:56 PM
Seems to me that the more we look at the scenario the American traitors call a search,the more and more it seems much of it was calculated deception,fraud,and downright evil,to say the least.JMOO... ::MonkeyMad::

Another thought is when he registered here....not sure when he registered at BFN. 

Not saying any of this is fact....just saying it's been on my mind.....skeptical after experiences here with others.  Just sayin'


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:42:38 PM
Mods

Please change the yellow highlight in my post to red.

Thanks

Janet

I finally found the yellow...and fixed it!      ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks 2NJ

 ::MonkeyWink::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 11:46:15 PM
Mods

Please change the yellow highlight in my post to red.

Thanks

Janet

I finally found the yellow...and fixed it!      ::MonkeyHaHa::
You don't like my work??  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyCool::

Your work was great.        ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2009, 11:52:57 PM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:53:04 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 97/98:
There is silence in the little crowded room.  Eventually the quiet is broken as police officers and detectives who witness the same evidence we do in the wee hours of Thursday morning begin to speak very softly, almost whispering to one another in Dutch and Papiamento.  I don't know what they're saying but they are very subdued.

They all see for themselves that Joran, Deepak, and Satish never brought Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.  Those three made everything up, from how they took her to the lighthouse to see sharks to how they left her at the hotel.

Joran isn't a tourist, and he isn't staying at the Holiday Inn.  He isn't nineteen years old, as he told Natalee's friends.  He's seventeen.  It's all lies.  All of it.  The dialog between Natalee and Joran, the places they went, how they got home -- concocted.  And for what reason?  Surely to cover the truth about what has really happened to Natalee.  They know.  And now we all know they lied.

But what they don't know is that I'm willing to wait out all their lies to get to the truth.  I have the rest of my life to find out what has happened to Natalee.


Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

Janet
8:55 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

Nothing from the new Prime Minister's offer.  Nothing from Hero Brinkman's office.  Form acknowledgements would have been appreciated.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2009, 11:58:53 PM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 12:01:55 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.
You know what?????........... even if the new regime has NO intention of doing anything, you would think they would be paying Americans writing to them "lip service"!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:03:10 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.
You know what?????........... even if the new regime has NO intention of doing anything, you would think they would be paying Americans writing to them "lip service"!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not prepared????  Dunno....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 09, 2009, 12:04:25 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Not a peep!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 12:05:24 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.
You know what?????........... even if the new regime has NO intention of doing anything, you would think they would be paying Americans writing to them "lip service"!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not prepared????  Dunno....
Well, I might give them a break..... are they still in transition, or have they officially taken office?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 12:06:25 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't received a response from Eman.  But I did receive one from Hero Brinkman.  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 12:10:08 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.
You know what?????........... even if the new regime has NO intention of doing anything, you would think they would be paying Americans writing to them "lip service"!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not prepared????  Dunno....
Well, I might give them a break..... are they still in transition, or have they officially taken office?

I think they are still in transition, and I'm sure Mr. Eman is very busy.  His email was probably still very busy with congratulatory wishes also. 

I just hope we all didn't go to junk mail.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:13:22 AM
Just another thought.....Marcos email that I reposted (thanks to Blonde) a page or two ago...dated 1/12....while Kyle was on R&R.....just an observation....no accusations intended.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.
You know what?????........... even if the new regime has NO intention of doing anything, you would think they would be paying Americans writing to them "lip service"!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not prepared????  Dunno....
Well, I might give them a break..... are they still in transition, or have they officially taken office?

I think they are still in transition, and I'm sure Mr. Eman is very busy.  His email was probably still very busy with congratulatory wishes also. 

I just hope we all didn't go to junk mail.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Have a friend who's gmail was hijacked....hope his wasn't.    ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
Just another thought.....Marcos email that I reposted (thanks to Blonde) a page or two ago...dated 1/12....while Kyle was on R&R.....just an observation....no accussations intended.   

Great catch 2NJ!   ::MonkeySlide::

No accusation here either but....

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/ChurchLady_Convenient.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 12:25:52 AM
Has anyone gotten a reply to an e-mail sent to Eman????  ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven't gotten one, either.
You know what?????........... even if the new regime has NO intention of doing anything, you would think they would be paying Americans writing to them "lip service"!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not prepared????  Dunno....
Well, I might give them a break..... are they still in transition, or have they officially taken office?

I think they are still in transition, and I'm sure Mr. Eman is very busy.  His email was probably still very busy with congratulatory wishes also. 

I just hope we all didn't go to junk mail.   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa::

Have a friend who's gmail was hijacked....hope his wasn't.    ::MonkeyShocked::

Me too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:45:46 AM
Just another thought.....Marcos email that I reposted (thanks to Blonde) a page or two ago...dated 1/12....while Kyle was on R&R.....just an observation....no accussations intended.   

Great catch 2NJ!   ::MonkeySlide::

No accusation here either but....

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/ChurchLady_Convenient.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  That's really why I posted it....but didn't 'splain myself' at the time.  Sometimes you just think others are going to catch on without the words.  Not saying it is anything at all....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2009, 12:46:14 AM
First, I'd like to apologize for not being around much, I've had a bunch of family personal stuff to take care of with my inlaws.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Second, this was just posted on the front page tonight on an old Dana Pretzer Daily Commentary post from 2008:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/

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rynosin on October 8th, 2009 11:26 pm

So, I know this post is REALLY late but I will put it out there for anyone that is interested. This Daniel Young that this post talks about, is my father. This man is a a expert con artist. I’ve seen it all growing up with this man as my father. If anyone wants to know more about Daniel Young or Kelley Castillo ( the woman my father ran off with) go ahead and feel free to contact me via e-mail rynosin@yahoo.com.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:50:06 AM
First, I'd like to apologize for not being around much, I've had a bunch of family personal stuff to take care of with my inlaws.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Second, this was just posted on the front page tonight on an old Dana Pretzer Daily Commentary post from 2008:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/?preview=true&preview_id=5166&preview_nonce=827ec8b1b5

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rynosin on October 8th, 2009 11:26 pm

So, I know this post is REALLY late but I will put it out there for anyone that is interested. This Daniel Young that this post talks about, is my father. This man is a a expert con artist. I’ve seen it all growing up with this man as my father. If anyone wants to know more about Daniel Young or Kelley Castillo ( the woman my father ran off with) go ahead and feel free to contact me via e-mail rynosin@yahoo.com.


Wow, Klaas, thanks for bring it here.    ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 12:52:19 AM
First, I'd like to apologize for not being around much, I've had a bunch of family personal stuff to take care of with my inlaws.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Second, this was just posted on the front page tonight on an old Dana Pretzer Daily Commentary post from 2008:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/?preview=true&preview_id=5166&preview_nonce=827ec8b1b5

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rynosin on October 8th, 2009 11:26 pm

So, I know this post is REALLY late but I will put it out there for anyone that is interested. This Daniel Young that this post talks about, is my father. This man is a a expert con artist. I’ve seen it all growing up with this man as my father. If anyone wants to know more about Daniel Young or Kelley Castillo ( the woman my father ran off with) go ahead and feel free to contact me via e-mail rynosin@yahoo.com.

Hi Klaas! I cannot access the link you posted!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
First, I'd like to apologize for not being around much, I've had a bunch of family personal stuff to take care of with my inlaws.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Second, this was just posted on the front page tonight on an old Dana Pretzer Daily Commentary post from 2008:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/?preview=true&preview_id=5166&preview_nonce=827ec8b1b5

Quote
rynosin on October 8th, 2009 11:26 pm

So, I know this post is REALLY late but I will put it out there for anyone that is interested. This Daniel Young that this post talks about, is my father. This man is a a expert con artist. I’ve seen it all growing up with this man as my father. If anyone wants to know more about Daniel Young or Kelley Castillo ( the woman my father ran off with) go ahead and feel free to contact me via e-mail rynosin@yahoo.com.


No apology necessary Klaas, family comes first.  You do whatever you need to do in that regard; we understand!  I hope things are better soon for your inlaws.  Take care of yourself too!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:55:12 AM
First, I'd like to apologize for not being around much, I've had a bunch of family personal stuff to take care of with my inlaws.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Second, this was just posted on the front page tonight on an old Dana Pretzer Daily Commentary post from 2008:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/?preview=true&preview_id=5166&preview_nonce=827ec8b1b5

Quote
rynosin on October 8th, 2009 11:26 pm

So, I know this post is REALLY late but I will put it out there for anyone that is interested. This Daniel Young that this post talks about, is my father. This man is a a expert con artist. I’ve seen it all growing up with this man as my father. If anyone wants to know more about Daniel Young or Kelley Castillo ( the woman my father ran off with) go ahead and feel free to contact me via e-mail rynosin@yahoo.com.

Hi Klaas! I cannot access the link you posted!

Me, either...I just sent her a msg.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 12:56:08 AM
First, I'd like to apologize for not being around much, I've had a bunch of family personal stuff to take care of with my inlaws.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Second, this was just posted on the front page tonight on an old Dana Pretzer Daily Commentary post from 2008:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/?preview=true&preview_id=5166&preview_nonce=827ec8b1b5

Quote
rynosin on October 8th, 2009 11:26 pm

So, I know this post is REALLY late but I will put it out there for anyone that is interested. This Daniel Young that this post talks about, is my father. This man is a a expert con artist. I’ve seen it all growing up with this man as my father. If anyone wants to know more about Daniel Young or Kelley Castillo ( the woman my father ran off with) go ahead and feel free to contact me via e-mail rynosin@yahoo.com.

Hi Klaas! I cannot access the link you posted!

Here you go...I think I fixed it! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2009, 12:59:07 AM
That might be an Admin link only.  See if this works

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2009, 01:00:56 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2009, 01:07:06 AM
I'm sure this has already been posted...

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75280

New Government To Be Sworn In On October 28th 2009

October 8th 2009, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Mike Eman leader of the AVP party, who won the parliamentary election on
September 25th, has made an unofficial presentation of the Eman Administration to the Govenor
of Aruba for the next 4 years. It is the fastest government formation in Aruba's political history to
date.

The Eman Administration will consist of 7 Ministers. They 7 Ministers are presently going through a
screening (including that of any criminal record) before the Eman Administration is made official.
Below are the 7 Ministers form the Eman Administration until 2014.


The Prime Minister of Aruba, and Minister of General Affairs
Michiel Godfried Eman (Mike Eman)
Date of Birth: September 1st 1961
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7468/53630442.jpg)


Minister of Justice and Education
Msc. Phd. Arthur Lawrence Dowers
Date of Birth: May 26th 1965
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1406/98127199.jpg)

Minister of Public Works and Environment
Oslin Benito Sevinger
Date of Birth: January 12th 1965
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4387/31327836.jpg)


Miniser of Tourism and Labour
Otmar Enrique Oduber
Date of Birth: August 7th 1972
(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9253/72364440.jpg)


Minister of Finance, Transportation and Utilities
Ing. Mike Eric de Meza
Date of Birth: May 13th 1963
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3339/90478092.jpg)


Minister of Economic, Social and Cultural Affairs
Michelle Janice Winklaar
Date of Birth: September 20th 1960
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3082/77231229.jpg)


Minister of Public Health and Sports
Phd. Richard Wayne Milton Visser
Date of Birth: April 24th 1965
(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3210/54765222.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 01:09:21 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::
Interesting....but WHY now after 22 months since that post???  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 01:10:09 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2009, 01:12:54 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::
Interesting....but WHY now after 22 months since that post???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe he/she was googling their flaky father's name to see what came up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 01:16:16 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::
Interesting....but WHY now after 22 months since that post???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe he/she was googling their flaky father's name to see what came up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 01:20:12 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::
Interesting....but WHY now after 22 months since that post???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe he/she was googling their flaky father's name to see what came up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yeah, I'm sure that is it -- but it is just odd!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on October 09, 2009, 01:22:10 AM
Nite Monkeys.   Bring Natalee home!!!!!!!!!!!!           ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2009, 01:23:33 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::
Interesting....but WHY now after 22 months since that post???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe he/she was googling their flaky father's name to see what came up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yeah, I'm sure that is it -- but it is just odd!

Wreck - I'm snoopy and I did sort of check out the poster to see if their claim to be Daniel Young's child was plausible.  It is entirely possible as this person looks to be posting from the general area that Daniel Young lives.

A refresher   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.guidedlight.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 01:27:50 AM
I'm not surprised to see what he or she is saying about their father  ::MonkeyWink::
Interesting....but WHY now after 22 months since that post???  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe he/she was googling their flaky father's name to see what came up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yeah, I'm sure that is it -- but it is just odd!

Wreck - I'm snoopy and I did sort of check out the poster to see if their claim to be Daniel Young's child was plausible.  It is entirely possible as this person looks to be posting from the general area that Daniel Young lives.

A refresher   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.guidedlight.com/
No, I believe it is all legit .......... it is just "odd". I wish this person had found us when these 2 nuts were trying their "con" on us a few years ago!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 01:28:22 AM
Nite Monkeys.   Bring Natalee home!!!!!!!!!!!!           ::MonkeyGavel::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 01:58:54 AM
Just caught up.Prayers to Klaas & family!!! ::MonkeyAngel::

We need to hone in on this Marcos thing.Who,what,when,where,why and how......Pandora's box!We will get to JUSTICE! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 02:14:17 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 02:18:18 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 02:35:01 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

HERE TILL JUSTICE IS SERVED


 ::MonkeyAngel::

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 02:47:14 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

HERE TILL JUSTICE IS SERVED


 ::MonkeyAngel::

KEEPTHEFAITH

Good night, and God bless you too KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 08:46:08 AM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Thanks Kermit.

I had read this quote of Kyle Kingman many times but just now realized its implication.

Think about it.  The sonar discovery of the cage/trap was on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet



It also means (unless you buy into the profound coincidence that an Aruban cop's brother had a "vision" with the latitude of the cage) that ALE knew the location of Natalee's remains.

To me that means whoever this detective was, he somehow obtained bits and pieces of her location, and wanted to help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2009, 09:23:51 AM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Thanks Kermit.

I had read this quote of Kyle Kingman many times but just now realized its implication.

Think about it.  The sonar discovery of the cage/trap was on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet



It also means (unless you buy into the profound coincidence that an Aruban cop's brother had a "vision" with the latitude of the cage) that ALE knew the location of Natalee's remains.

To me that means whoever this detective was, he somehow obtained bits and pieces of her location, and wanted to help.
ALE knew and ALWAYS knew where she was.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 10:17:01 AM
Just another thought.....Marcos email that I reposted (thanks to Blonde) a page or two ago...dated 1/12....while Kyle was on R&R.....just an observation....no accusations intended.   

 ::MonkeyWink::

Another something that I don't recall being discussed here...........

Anyone find it a bit hinky that Tim Trahan, their ONLY diver, was sent off the Persistence - to another country, no less - just in time for the Jan 7 Aruban only dive?

Anyone know what Other Country he went to?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 10:19:23 AM
Thanks Klaas.

I find it very interesting that what used to be the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation is no more.  Those two areas are now split between two different Ministries.

I'm sure this has already been posted...

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75280

New Government To Be Sworn In On October 28th 2009

October 8th 2009, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Mike Eman leader of the AVP party, who won the parliamentary election on
September 25th, has made an unofficial presentation of the Eman Administration to the Govenor
of Aruba for the next 4 years. It is the fastest government formation in Aruba's political history to
date.

The Eman Administration will consist of 7 Ministers. They 7 Ministers are presently going through a
screening (including that of any criminal record) before the Eman Administration is made official.
Below are the 7 Ministers form the Eman Administration until 2014.


The Prime Minister of Aruba, and Minister of General Affairs
Michiel Godfried Eman (Mike Eman)
Date of Birth: September 1st 1961
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7468/53630442.jpg)


Minister of Justice and Education
Msc. Phd. Arthur Lawrence Dowers
Date of Birth: May 26th 1965
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1406/98127199.jpg)

Minister of Public Works and Environment
Oslin Benito Sevinger
Date of Birth: January 12th 1965
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4387/31327836.jpg)


Miniser of Tourism and Labour
Otmar Enrique Oduber
Date of Birth: August 7th 1972
(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9253/72364440.jpg)


Minister of Finance, Transportation and Utilities
Ing. Mike Eric de Meza
Date of Birth: May 13th 1963
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3339/90478092.jpg)


Minister of Economic, Social and Cultural Affairs
Michelle Janice Winklaar
Date of Birth: September 20th 1960
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3082/77231229.jpg)


Minister of Public Health and Sports
Phd. Richard Wayne Milton Visser
Date of Birth: April 24th 1965
(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3210/54765222.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. John didn¢t press him for more information, which was probably a good thing at that time. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.


Thanks Kermit.

I had read this quote of Kyle Kingman many times but just now realized its implication.

Think about it.  The sonar discovery of the cage/trap was on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet



It also means (unless you buy into the profound coincidence that an Aruban cop's brother had a "vision" with the latitude of the cage) that ALE knew the location of Natalee's remains.

To me that means whoever this detective was, he somehow obtained bits and pieces of her location, and wanted to help.
ALE knew and ALWAYS knew where she was.

At least some of them did - that is a certainty, IMO.

I'm finding it more and more curious that Kyle began evading Freebirds when we started questioning him on the names of ALE that they came into contact with.

I specifically remember throwing out names of those officers we knew were involved in the investigation in the beginning.................and he stated he remembered NO ONE'S NAME.  That he would have to check the logs to get those names........................the logs that had been stripped from the Persistence.

I find that very odd.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 11:19:05 AM
Could it be that the Persistence endeavor was deceptively two fold from the getgo ... oil mapping and searching for Natalee Holloway's remains.  However ... it was not until the Dectective and (?) ... just prior to the sonar discovery ... entered the scenario that John S. sold out and ... he  became a participate in the Aruban coverup  ... the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?

The timing of the Dectective and (?) entering the scene and ... the locating of the crab/trap is so coincidental.

Janet

+++++++

DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:   The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


++++++++


DOMPIG - SEARCH THE OCEAN

CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY


Page 167/168:  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.   The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.   He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...

The following words of Tim Miller convinces me that Gerold Dompig knew very early on about the location of the trap/cage.  This was the reason that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway attempted a search in the area where the trap was eventually located in November, 2005.  However ... Dompig flip flopped in his support of the search at that time.

I contend that the "detective and brother" entering the scenario was the beginning of the John Silvetti and Tim Trahan betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.  Read the above words of Kyle Kingman very carefully.

Janet

++++++

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2005


TIM MILLER: ... Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep" and we always thought about the water anyhow.


On the Record w / Greta - November 1, 2005

TIM MILLER: We actually had our team from Florida State University. Our underwater divers actually had a connection with somebody with the Navy who was willing to go ahead and bring their equipment. Gene Ralston, one of our members has equipment to go 800ft deep and he’s done a lot of stuff with the FBI and made those contacts. We gave Chief Dompig the phone number at the FBI. They were willing to bring their equipment. Gene was willing to bring his equipment. Everything just literally stopped. We had no clue what went wrong, our trip was basically in vain.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - January 13, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think that it was in the—in October, possibly early November, when Tim Miller was trying to finish this search when, of course, the depth of the water exceeded his equipment. And that‘s when he was needing the officials on the island to contact or pick up the phone and make one phone call to the FBI for some additional equipment. And they refused to do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10836208/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 11:25:13 AM
Janet - I believe the Persistence's mission was likely twofold from the beginning.

But I don't think Silvetti strayed from doing the right thing until after the Dec 29th ROV dive on the cage.  I don't think he strayed until he met with Arubans after that date.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 11:40:17 AM

I'm finding it more and more curious that Kyle began evading Freebirds when we started questioning him on the names of ALE that they came into contact with.

I specifically remember throwing out names of those officers we knew were involved in the investigation in the beginning.................and he stated he remembered NO ONE'S NAME.  That he would have to check the logs to get those names........................the logs that had been stripped from the Persistence.

I find that very odd.

I don't.

I contend that this was the beginning of the Kyle Kingman flip flop.  He wanted his own words to go away.  Obviously the man who he had a difference of opinion with in regards to the trap was now an avenue to further his career opportunities.  The price ... keep quiet!

Janet

++++++++

INCENTIVE TO BETRAY: CAREER OPPORTUNITIES?

SUMMER, 2008

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman  

Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008


On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

<snipped>

The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


++++++


THE DIFFERENCES


Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John.  The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 11:41:14 AM
Mods

I apologize.  Please delete post 1820.

Thank you

Janet

Done...YW


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 11:53:39 AM
Janet - I believe the Persistence's mission was likely twofold from the beginning.

But I don't think Silvetti strayed from doing the right thing until after the Dec 29th ROV dive on the cage.  I don't think he strayed until he met with Arubans after that date.

I did at one time but ... not any more.

When you consider that there would have been only one day for the "powers that be" to coordinate the deception as well as the false lead that caused the "liability" to step off the ship ... I now believe the origins of  deception took place when the detective and brother entered the scenerio.

Janet

+++++


Could it be that the Persistence endeavor was deceptively two fold from the getgo ... oil mapping and searching for Natalee Holloway's remains.  However ... it was not until the Dectective and (?) ... just prior to the sonar discovery ... entered the scenario that John S. sold out and ... he  became a participate in the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?

The timing of the Dectective and (?) entering the scene and ... the locating of the crab/trap is so coincidental.

Janet

+++++++

DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:   The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 11:59:59 AM
Think about it.

1.  According to Tim Miller and Dave Holloway ... Gerold Dompig knew the location of the trap in November, 2005.

2.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother enter the scenario just prior to Christmas, 2007.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother agree to a meetting on the Persistence.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the sonar discovery of the trap occurred on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 12:22:57 PM
According to Kyle Kingsman ... the crew were excited by what was revealed in the ROV dive of December 29, 2007 ... everybody except John Silvetti.

This follow quote of Kyle Kingman convinces me the betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family had already been planned and ... the ROV dive of December 29, 2007 that clearly revealed all had not been anticipated.

Janet

++++


Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap. I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day. I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at. My heart broke for Dave and Beth.  Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th. I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti. In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 12:23:04 PM
Think about it.

1.  According to Tim Miller and Dave Holloway ... Gerold Dompig knew the location of the trap in November, 2005.

2.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother enter the scenario just prior to Christmas, 2007.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother agree to a meetting on the Persistence.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the sonar discovery of the trap occurred on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet

I'm thinking about it......   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 12:27:33 PM
Mods

I apologize.  Please delete post 1820.

Thank you

Janet

Done...YW

Thanks again 2NJ

Good Morning All.

Canadian Thanksgiving is being held at our home this weekend.  I better clean my house.  Some in attendance may begin to suspect that I spend all my retirement hours on the computer.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
Think about it.

1.  According to Tim Miller and Dave Holloway ... Gerold Dompig knew the location of the trap in November, 2005.

2.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother enter the scenario just prior to Christmas, 2007.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother agree to a meetting on the Persistence.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the sonar discovery of the trap occurred on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet

I'm thinking about it......   ::MonkeyWink::



I am just thankful that you don't just scroll by my posts.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 12:32:53 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

antunym

Thanks you.

You have no idea how your words provided the encouragement I required.  I was feeling somewhat overwhelmed in my efforts behind the scenes in compiling the many aspects of the Persistence story.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Your welcome Janet I think your right on when it comes to most of this and you being here expressing it keeps me very hopeful for Natalee to come home.  Keep it up because the squeeky wheel always gets the oil right?  A very big thanks to you Janet.   I'm not always signed on but I'm always looking to see what you and the other loyal people to Natalee have figured out.  You all are amazing!

BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 12:56:06 PM
KYLE WALKED SM THRU STEP BY STEP ON WHAT WAS MOST LIKELY SAID IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE


OCEAN SAYS
You mean to tell me that the Monkeys have not dug up a copy of Mos's press release about this yet?  I find this hard to believe.
#936 on: Today at 06:24:35 PM »
 
 
OCEAN SAYS
Klaasend thank you.. I figured you had it.  I was just making sure, else I would post it.  It's what the media is reporting from.  I like reading original statements before they're re-written by the press.  But that's just me.
#951 on: Today at 06:34:33 PM »
 

JANET POSTED THE PRESS RELEASE AND SEVERAL ARTICLES SAYING THEY DIDNT MATCH

Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

To All media

From The Public Prosecutor’s Office

Date February 26, 2007

Pages 1

The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Hollo way’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match.
 
 
 
OCEAN SAYS
I will not comment about the trap. 
Mos's press release is accurate and nearly verbatim of the FBI report.
#961 on: Today at 06:45:24 PM »
 
 
Not one word aboutthe dna.
#969 on: Today at 06:50:54 PM » ALA GUNSLINGER
 
 
AZ LADY SAYS
That's okay, Ocean.  Logic dictates that the FBI are not just testing fabric.  There would be no need to do this.  I'm sure Mos' press release is verbatim from ONE paragraph of the FBI report.  Now, I would really like to see the rest of the FBI report, the other paragraphs that Mos (and you) will not comment upon.  I'm sure we will be made aware in due time.
 

AZ LADY SAYS
How wonderfully ironic!  Just as Aruba shut out the FBI throughout most of this investigation, now the table are turned.  The FBI has now shut out Mos!  They didn't give him the information about the other items in the cage.  That's turn about and fair play, in my book.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.980
#983 on: Today at 07:00:24 PM
 
 
NUT 44 SAYS
When MF first reported it on Feb.26 it was posted as>>

The earlier report that the Persistance has found something has now been confirmed.
Human remains were found and these sent to the FBI lab in Quantico.

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Last edited by MF on Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
~~~~~~~~

Then the thread title changed to 'fabric'
#984 on: Today at 07:00:34 PM
 
AZ LADY SAYS
I don't buy it.  Tim would not have called Dave for just fabric.  The pics we saw show a trap with more in it than just fabric.  The FBI are not telling Mos the results, other than the fabric is not what she wore on her last night in Aruba.  In other words, the FBI are not saying ANYTHING!  That's as it should be.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.0
#6 on: Today at 07:04:56 PM

Kyle said: After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand,


And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look. Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull


John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive

He (John)changed his focus on Dec 30th after the "Dateline dive".



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 12:57:44 PM
Kermit!!!

HELP!!!


I cannot seem to locate the Kyle Kingman quote that implies that Mos/Richardson (?) and John Silvetti were suspicious of him leaking ROV images to the internet.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 12:59:51 PM
Dec. 6, 2007 Kyle registered at BFN & posted:
Dec. 9, 2007 Kyle posted at BFN: I fly on Wednesday to Aruba.
Dec. 14, 2007 KYLE posted at BFN:
This will be my last post on this forum at least until the search is over.   I will be flying tomorrow (Sat) to reunite with the Persistence.  Thank you all for your continued efforts,&n bsp; love, prayers, and support. 
Dec. 18, 2007 - LegallyLex posted at BFN: John told me when he got to Aruba Saturday that NBC was the only news team there at the time. The rest of the reporters had left when JVDS was released
Dec 18, 2007 - KYLE posted at BFN:   We must use all available press agencies to shed light onto the authorities involved.
NOTE: Kyle's upset seems to stem from news that Mos is going to close the case end of Dec.


December 20 Caps signed up that scared monkeys

Just before Christmas COP & his brother meet on the Persistence
Christmas day - find trap/cage



Fri Dec. 28 1200 hrs.
"last night, most of the crew and search team took a break and had dinner on the island.


KYLE posted at BFN - first round of ROV dives between Dec 29th to about the 7th of January.


Jan 7 - aruba only divers

Jan 10 - 14 Kyle posted he was off the boat staying at Holiday Inn.
BUT on Jan 11 Kyle posted:


Quote from: oceanexploration on January 11, 2008, 12:15:08 AM
Well back to work.  Goodnight all.  God bless.  Thanks for the prayers and words of encouragment. All the crew is sincerely thankful for the support. ~K

January 11 or 12th Kyle saw a ship around the dive site...

January 17 Kyle posts at scared monkeys that things are going on
January 17 Caps puts his first post on scared monkeys
 
January 21 Caps says it clearly states where the body was dumped
January 22 there is a leak that says the persistence found something
January 22 Caps says it clearly states the Montana pond

Posted 2nd week of FEB: KYLE:  The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.700

FEB 27, Kyle emailed that the persistence was waiting for weather to clear and a crew took a small boat to the pond that hasn't been searched.

ONE DAY LATER:
FEB 28th -  the Persistence  asking for money to continue the search.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:02:51 PM
KYLE WALKED SM THRU STEP BY STEP ON WHAT WAS MOST LIKELY SAID IN HIS PRESS CONFERENCE


OCEAN SAYS
You mean to tell me that the Monkeys have not dug up a copy of Mos's press release about this yet?  I find this hard to believe.
#936 on: Today at 06:24:35 PM »
 
 
OCEAN SAYS
Klaasend thank you.. I figured you had it.  I was just making sure, else I would post it.  It's what the media is reporting from.  I like reading original statements before they're re-written by the press.  But that's just me.
#951 on: Today at 06:34:33 PM »
 

JANET POSTED THE PRESS RELEASE AND SEVERAL ARTICLES SAYING THEY DIDNT MATCH

Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba

To All media

From The Public Prosecutor’s Office

Date February 26, 2007

Pages 1

The Prosecutors’ Office of Aruba has received the results of the comparison tests done by the FBI Laboratory in the United States of America on clothing, cloth or a textile of some type recovered in January 2008 by an Aruban dive team inside a crab trap in about 90 feet of water, off the coast of Aruba. The Aruban dive team was directed to the crab trap by the crew of the vessel “Persistence” that is conducting a sea search looking for the body of Natalee Holloway. The Persistence is searching for a crab trap based on the story that the body of Natalee Holloway was disposed of and placed in a similar device.

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Hollo way’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match.
 
 
 
OCEAN SAYS
I will not comment about the trap. 
Mos's press release is accurate and nearly verbatim of the FBI report.
#961 on: Today at 06:45:24 PM »
 
 
Not one word aboutthe dna.
#969 on: Today at 06:50:54 PM » ALA GUNSLINGER
 
 
AZ LADY SAYS
That's okay, Ocean.  Logic dictates that the FBI are not just testing fabric.  There would be no need to do this.  I'm sure Mos' press release is verbatim from ONE paragraph of the FBI report.  Now, I would really like to see the rest of the FBI report, the other paragraphs that Mos (and you) will not comment upon.  I'm sure we will be made aware in due time.
 

AZ LADY SAYS
How wonderfully ironic!  Just as Aruba shut out the FBI throughout most of this investigation, now the table are turned.  The FBI has now shut out Mos!  They didn't give him the information about the other items in the cage.  That's turn about and fair play, in my book.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.980
#983 on: Today at 07:00:24 PM
 
 
NUT 44 SAYS
When MF first reported it on Feb.26 it was posted as>>

The earlier report that the Persistance has found something has now been confirmed.
Human remains were found and these sent to the FBI lab in Quantico.

The report came back this morning stating that the tests exclude Natalee Holloway.

The OM will release a statement later today.

Last edited by MF on Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
~~~~~~~~

Then the thread title changed to 'fabric'
#984 on: Today at 07:00:34 PM
 
AZ LADY SAYS
I don't buy it.  Tim would not have called Dave for just fabric.  The pics we saw show a trap with more in it than just fabric.  The FBI are not telling Mos the results, other than the fabric is not what she wore on her last night in Aruba.  In other words, the FBI are not saying ANYTHING!  That's as it should be.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.0
#6 on: Today at 07:04:56 PM

Kyle said: After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand,


And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look. Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull


John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive

He (John)changed his focus on Dec 30th after the "Dateline dive".



The plan was to convince the world through the Dateline special that nothing case related was in the trap and ... the search effort would move on to "deeper waters" as instructed by the "powers that be".

However ... the December 29, 2007 ROV dive which clearly revealed ... according to the ships ROV image analyst ... that Natalee Holloway's remains were most likely in that trap ... would come back to haunt them through Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:05:01 PM
Kermit!!!

HELP!!!


I cannot seem to locate the Kyle Kingman quote that implies that Mos/Richardson (?) and John Silvetti were suspicious of him leaking ROV images to the internet.

Thanks

Janet

May 17 Kyle posted to us:
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true. Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:12:19 PM
Think about it.

1.  According to Tim Miller and Dave Holloway ... Gerold Dompig knew the location of the trap in November, 2005.

2.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother enter the scenario just prior to Christmas, 2007.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the detective and his brother agree to a meetting on the Persistence.

3.  According to Kyle Kingman ... the sonar discovery of the trap occurred on Christmas Day, 2007.

Janet


Behind the scenes
Mark Purcell...........> Caps
Kawish..................> Caps
Kawish..................> Kalpoe brothers and Michael Dompig
Kathy Drenga.........> Caps and Kawish
Caps.....................> Clyde Burke
Caps......................> Witness
Caps......................> lalasmom
lalasmom................> Dave Holloway
Dave Holloway.........> Caps
Caps......................> Tim Miller, John Silvetti
John Silvetti............> Witness




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
Kermit

As eldest son, DIL and 3 year old grandson from Vancouver Island will be spending the entire Thanksgiving weekend with us ... I will go to your profile on Tuesday and read all your most recent posts.  Please keep them coming.

Thanks so much.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
Kermit!!!

HELP!!!


I cannot seem to locate the Kyle Kingman quote that implies that Mos/Richardson (?) and John Silvetti were suspicious of him leaking ROV images to the internet.

Thanks

Janet

May 17 Kyle posted to us:
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true. Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!



  ::MonkeyKiss::

What was true.  Kyle Kingman did the right thing and leaked those images ... that SM ultimately received ... to the FBI.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:18:56 PM
Kermit!!!

HELP!!!


I cannot seem to locate the Kyle Kingman quote that implies that Mos/Richardson (?) and John Silvetti were suspicious of him leaking ROV images to the internet.

Thanks

Janet

May 17 Kyle posted to us:
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti  as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true. Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!



A team concern.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:31:17 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

antunym

Thanks you.

You have no idea how your words provided the encouragement I required.  I was feeling somewhat overwhelmed in my efforts behind the scenes in compiling the many aspects of the Persistence story.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Your welcome Janet I think your right on when it comes to most of this and you being here expressing it keeps me very hopeful for Natalee to come home.  Keep it up because the squeeky wheel always gets the oil right?  A very big thanks to you Janet.   I'm not always signed on but I'm always looking to see what you and the other loyal people to Natalee have figured out.  You all are amazing!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
Quote

The plan was to convince the world through the Dateline special that nothing case related was in the trap and ... the search effort would move on to "deeper waters" as instructed by the "powers that be".

However ... the December 29, 2007 ROV dive which clearly revealed ... according to the ships ROV image analyst ... that Natalee Holloway's remains were most likely in that trap ... would come back to haunt them through Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet


Actually, I do not believe that they expected the cage to be revealed so the world would never have known if Dateline had not shown that cage in their special. Keep in mind, that Tim Tehran was trying to stop Dateline from airing that footage allegedly to protect the family from seeing that. Tim Miller was sent off the boat by John Silvetti according to Kyle. Even though we know that Tim Miller was still around for a couple of days. The Aruban's were working behind the scenes with setting up the Margos scam and the Pond hoax for Dave Holloway, which completely got the focus off of the cage/trap. Then there was the Rover tapes confession. Joran had no idea that he was being taped. He thought Patrick was his ally. The only piece of information he left out of his confession was the name of the man who helped him get rid of Natalee's body.
He admitted to raping her.

Who is the cop that helped Joran?








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
Hello Janet and KTF good to see you both still here.  I noticed not much new going on lately but your still here.  I like that type of consistency especially for Natalee! Well just thought I would say hello and I pray everyday Natalee comes home where she belongs.

antunym

Thanks you.

You have no idea how your words provided the encouragement I required.  I was feeling somewhat overwhelmed in my efforts behind the scenes in compiling the many aspects of the Persistence story.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232:
  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Your welcome Janet I think your right on when it comes to most of this and you being here expressing it keeps me very hopeful for Natalee to come home.  Keep it up because the squeeky wheel always gets the oil right?  A very big thanks to you Janet.   I'm not always signed on but I'm always looking to see what you and the other loyal people to Natalee have figured out.  You all are amazing!

BUMP

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:36:14 PM
Mods

I apologize.  Please delete post 1820.

Thank you

Janet

Done...YW

Thanks again 2NJ

Good Morning All.

Canadian Thanksgiving is being held at our home this weekend.  I better clean my house.  Some in attendance may begin to suspect that I spend all my retirement hours on the computer.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:30 AM PT

On the other hand, if you leave the house a mess they may begin to think you need help.
Poor Grandma can't keep up with all the house chores anymore and perhaps hire you a maid!

Heh Heh.

Make sure to bless veggie this year.
Happy Thanksgiving.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:40:46 PM


May 17 Kyle posted to us:
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true. Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!



  ::MonkeyKiss::

What was true.  Kyle Kingman did the right thing and leaked those images ... that SM ultimately received ... to the FBI.

Janet
[/quote]

Kyle was talking about John being angry at him accusing him of leaking the pond photos.
Kyle asked for our help to prove he didn't leak the pond photos and he emailed John that it was Destiny who got the photos from her source in Aruba and Caps.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:42:14 PM
Quote
On the other hand, if you leave the house a mess they may begin to think you need help.
Poor Grandma can't keep up with all the house chores anymore and perhaps hire you a maid!

Heh Heh.

Make sure to bless veggie this year.
Happy Thanksgiving.



On second thought - they may think you need to be put in a rest home if you can't clean up.
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 01:44:58 PM


May 17 Kyle posted to us:
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true. Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!



  ::MonkeyKiss::

What was true.  Kyle Kingman did the right thing and leaked those images ... that SM ultimately received ... to the FBI.

Janet

Kyle was talking about John being angry at him accusing him of leaking the pond photos.
Kyle asked for our help to prove he didn't leak the pond photos and he emailed John that it was Destiny who got the photos from her source in Aruba and Caps.


[/quote]

Without looking back, I guess this is around the time when he flipped oiut on Red and Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 01:47:17 PM
Nevermind.....I was confusing cage photos with pond photos, I believe.    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
A team concern.

Janet

He always acted like he was getting information from Mos, but a closer look tells us he
got his information from Tim Tehran and/or John Silvetti and whatever they decided to tell him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on October 09, 2009, 01:52:03 PM
Is there any update on action by the FBI on those pictures?  Breaking news?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:52:33 PM


May 17 Kyle posted to us:
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true. Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!



  ::MonkeyKiss::

What was true.  Kyle Kingman did the right thing and leaked those images ... that SM ultimately received ... to the FBI.

Janet

Kyle was talking about John being angry at him accusing him of leaking the pond photos.
Kyle asked for our help to prove he didn't leak the pond photos and he emailed John that it was Destiny who got the photos from her source in Aruba and Caps.



Without looking back, I guess this is around the time when he flipped oiut on Red and Klaas.
[/quote]

When the photos of the cage were posted by Robin Holloway and then sent to Klassend
is when Kyle attacked Red and accused him of leaking those photos.

When the pond photos were posted by Destiny, John emailed Kyle and was very angry at him and accused Kyle of leaking the pond photos.

 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 01:56:56 PM
Quote

The plan was to convince the world through the Dateline special that nothing case related was in the trap and ... the search effort would move on to "deeper waters" as instructed by the "powers that be".

However ... the December 29, 2007 ROV dive which clearly revealed ... according to the ships ROV image analyst ... that Natalee Holloway's remains were most likely in that trap ... would come back to haunt them through Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet


Actually, I do not believe that they expected the cage to be revealed so the world would never have known if Dateline had not shown that cage in their special. Keep in mind, that Tim Tehran was trying to stop Dateline from airing that footage allegedly to protect the family from seeing that. Tim Miller was sent off the boat by John Silvetti according to Kyle. Even though we know that Tim Miller was still around for a couple of days. The Aruban's were working behind the scenes with setting up the Margos scam and the Pond hoax for Dave Holloway, which completely got the focus off of the cage/trap. Then there was the Rover tapes confession. Joran had no idea that he was being taped. He thought Patrick was his ally. The only piece of information he left out of his confession was the name of the man who helped him get rid of Natalee's body.
He admitted to raping her.

Who is the cop that helped Joran?


This detective wannabe was frustrated at what appeared to be ignorance/ naivity of the Persistence crew in regards to working with the enemy and expecting a positive outcome but ... she never for one minute was under the impression that John Silvetti was intentionally betraying Natalee Holloway.

I was taken back to some degree by the original ROV images that Klaas posted at SM and was to some degree taking Kermit's suspicions into consideration but ... in the Dateline special ... when Tim Trahan ... the American diver ... returned to the ship and was implied there was nothing case related in regards to what he observed in the trap ... I was convinced the truth was being revealed.

Then Kermit exposed Kyle Kingsman's own words ... the truth regarding Tim Trahan's outright deceptive.

Janet

+++++


DATELINE NBC - FEBRUARY 22, 2008

The divers approached the target and signaled above. And then...

(On the boat)

No it's thumbs down.

Negative, not it.

Crushing disppointment.

(On the boat)


Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 01:57:43 PM
Is there any update on action by the FBI on those pictures?  Breaking news?

I know someone in the White House press core, but breaking news is usually
held pretty tight to the vest as they say.


Kyle said that there was an "internal investigation" and Caps said there were "20 CSI investigators on the island." No one has verified that though to my knowledge.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:02:51 PM

This detective wannabe was frustrated at what appeared to be ignorance/ naivity of the Persistence crew in regards to working with the enemy and expecting a positive outcome but ... she never for one minute was under the impression that John Silvetti was intentionally betraying Natalee Holloway.

I was taken back to some degree by the original ROV images that Klaas posted at SM and was to some degree taking Kermit's suspicions into consideration but ... in the Dateline special ... when Tim Trahan ... the American diver ... returned to the ship and was implied there was nothing case related in regards to what he observed in the trap ... I was convinced the truth was being revealed.

Then Kermit exposed Kyle Kingsman's own words ... the truth regarding Tim Trahan's outright deceptive.

Janet

+++++


DATELINE NBC - FEBRUARY 22, 2008

The divers approached the target and signaled above. And then...

(On the boat)

No it's thumbs down.

Negative, not it.

Crushing disppointment.

(On the boat)


Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

There is another quote where Kyle explains more about that moment and how Tim Tehran was only signalling something else. I'll try to find it for you later.

But I agree with you - how's an experienced diver run out of air when they just got in the water
and dove on the target? And the Aruban divers didn't?

If there was nothing to THAT cage then why does Schaefer and Tehran and Kyle try to sell the images from the dive on Jan. 7th?

If there was nothing to THAT cage then why did ARuba divers dive on it on Jan 7th and bag up rocks and sponges? Or a SKULL, TENNIS SHOE, BLUE DENIM FABRIC and ?????

common sense goes a long ways.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 02:04:24 PM
Whiskey girl.......... just WHO IS searching???????????????????????? All I hear are FALSE rumors out of Aruba or "Gold Monkeys". I see NO evidence of a continued search by Dave or anyone else.

Wreck

I have not heard anything official either regarding the continuing search.  However ... I do know that Debbie (BFN has a personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway and ... somehow do not think that she would fabricate on an open forum.

I do believe the solicitation of funds to further the search in Aruban waters would be considered fraud if there was not anything in the works.

Janet

++++++++
 

1.  February, 2008 - Kyle Kingman is solicitating funds toward the continuation of the search and ... those funds are designated to TES.

2.  April, 2008 - John Silvetti claims that Dave Holloway put him touch with the head of the tourist Association in regards to a "sizable" donation to assist in the costs associated with continuing the search.

3.  July, 2008 - Steve Holloway claims in his comment on SM Front Page that Dave intends to continue the search.

4.  March, 2009 - Tim Miller claims in a NBC.13 interview that there were still 270 targets to search.

5.  June, 2009 - Tim Miller reveals to Dana Pretzer that it is his intention to return to Aruba in regards to the targets that had yet been investigated.

6.  June, 2009 - Debbie (BFN) claims that Dave is working with Tim Miller, John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer in the raising of funds to continue the search in Aruban waters.


About raising the money to continue the search.You have Schaeffer(MULTI_MILLIONAIRE) who works with BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES,as does Silvetti,who can't raise 1.5 million dollars????SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE ME THINKS.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I remember much monkey discussion about the financial trouble the businesses were in at the time.  The drilling business was in a tailspin, iirc there was even mention of bankruptcy.

So, when you have no money, how hard is it to scrape up a few million?  One million?

Wow, I think you missed quite a lot regarding the money.

Let's see.............in a nutshell...............

Superior Offshore (Louis Shaefer) had an IPO (Initial Public Offering) of their stock, and did so with fraudulent information to the SEC.  They inflated the worth of the company, lied about future plans, etc.  Tons and tons and tons of investors purchased stock.

Then Schaefer was paid out HUGE dividends from that ill gotten windfall - multi millions.

Then Schaefer sold many many many of his stocks, and got more multi millions.

Then he anonymously opened a PO Box and solicited for donations for the "search" for Natalee.

Then he hit the high seas with all his ill gotten millions, high tailed it to Aruba............where he promptly told the world that the money was running out.

Then Persistence pulled the plug after having MAPPED a vast area of the ocean floor - in ever deeper waters, in accordance with what Adolpho Richardson told them to do - without ever actually looking at a single one of the other "targets" they had planned to.

So Whiskey Girl you tell me - why would Schaefer pull the plug on this excercise when he has millions and millions to spare?  Why would he have solicited for donations for this search - on his own......ANONYMOUSLY when he has millions and millions to spare?

Why then would John Silvetti get on BFN and post that he needed at least ONE MILLION more dollars to return to Aruba to finish "searching"?

Why would ANYONE need to collect further funds for an additional search to inspect the remaining "targets", when Schaefer has more money than any one person could spend in a lifetime?

Why would ANYONE think that a future inspection of these "targets" is even going to happen - now 2 years after the fact, and NOT ONE THING has been done in those two years to get another trip put together?

The answers?

Jug told LALA'S that the Persistence's main purpose was OIL RELATED.

That little tidbit came directly from her keyboard.

If you had been reading about the oil activity around Aruba lately, you will know that:

1 - Venezuela claims the rights of the ocean surrounding Aruba

2 - Venezuela has newly "mapped/chartered/seismically recorded/eplored" areas of deposits

3 - Russia is currently drilling off the coastline of Aruba

ALL are things that would have required initial data by doing EXACTLY what Persistence was capable of doing while there.

But, as always - you are certainly entitled to believe what you wish to believe.  If you are truly interested in the goings on with all of this - I suggest you do your own research and will find that every single thing I stated in this post is FACT.

But don't take my word for it - or that of the dedicated Monkeys who have helped to find all this information - like I said, do your own research and you will find it all yourself.

Happy digging, Whiskey Girl.

BUMPIN FOR WHISKEYGIRL...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
Nevermind.....I was confusing cage photos with pond photos, I believe.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Me too!

Kermit

Was Kyle Kingman refering to the leaked ROV images in the first part of his post or ... was the entire post refering the pond images.

Thanks.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - May 17, 2008:  Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true.

Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.com



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 02:14:37 PM

This detective wannabe was frustrated at what appeared to be ignorance/ naivity of the Persistence crew in regards to working with the enemy and expecting a positive outcome but ... she never for one minute was under the impression that John Silvetti was intentionally betraying Natalee Holloway.

I was taken back to some degree by the original ROV images that Klaas posted at SM and was to some degree taking Kermit's suspicions into consideration but ... in the Dateline special ... when Tim Trahan ... the American diver ... returned to the ship and was implied there was nothing case related in regards to what he observed in the trap ... I was convinced the truth was being revealed.

Then Kermit exposed Kyle Kingsman's own words ... the truth regarding Tim Trahan's outright deceptive.

Janet

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DATELINE NBC - FEBRUARY 22, 2008

The divers approached the target and signaled above. And then...

(On the boat)

No it's thumbs down.

Negative, not it.

Crushing disppointment.

(On the boat)


Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/



BUMPED!!



THE JOHN SILVETTI/TIM TRAHAN BETRAYAL

When I consider Kyle Kingman's own words ... I do believe that from now on I will reference "The John Silvetti and Tim Trahan Betrayal".

Tim Trahan was the Persistence's only diver on the observation dive of December 30, 2007 and ... he was not one of the divers on the recovery dive of January 7, 2008.

Think about it!  The Aruban divers deemed the trap not case related but ... Tim Trahan claims his vision was obscured by sediment from a passing skate.  The Aruban divers appear to have had a substantial airl supply but ... Tim Trahan was required to surface.

What redeeming quality in regards to the search effort for Natalee Holloway's remains did Tim Trahan contribute as as a legacy?

 Janet

+++++++

THE PERSISTENCE'S DIVER - TIM TRAHAN

1.  THE SIGNAL


Why would Tim Trahan makes up a signal for the viewers of Dateline ... a signal that had no meaning to anybody but him?
_________

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM »


To clarify the thumb down issue: It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive. One thumb up was to indicate human remains.  There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.280


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. We discussed ahead of time 1 thumb up means positively human remains, 2 thumbs up... something conclusively identifying Natalee.  When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


2. VISIBILITY - AIR TIME

Tim Trahan's visibility was hindered but ... the Aruban divers clearly observed.

Tim Trahan enters the dive with an insufficient air supply leaving the Aruban divers on the ocean floor to determine whether the contents of the cage/trap were case related.
______

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM »


By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.28


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. 

Kyle Kingman:   It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


3.  INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.

What did Tim Trahan have to contribute to the collaboration that left John Silvetti "out of the loop" ... Tim Trahan who was the December 30th diver who saw nothing ... Tim Trahan who was "out of the country" on January 7th when the Aruban divers took sole possession of the trap's contents?

What did the archive copy of the ROV footage that Tim Trahan possessed reveal?
_________

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time.

Kyle Kingman:  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman:   Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle Kingman:  Differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John [Silvetti] is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me. What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations. loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 02:16:54 PM
IIRC.I believe Tim Trahan plead guilty to some sort of fraud,insider trading.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on October 09, 2009, 02:17:20 PM
Is there any update on action by the FBI on those pictures?  Breaking news?

I know someone in the White House press core, but breaking news is usually
held pretty tight to the vest as they say.


Kyle said that there was an "internal investigation" and Caps said there were "20 CSI investigators on the island." No one has verified that though to my knowledge.

Does that mean we have to wait for corruption to clean up itself on Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:17:44 PM
Oceanexploration posted Feb. 23, 2008
It is irresponsible and potentially damaging to do what they did (broadcasting the show while the search is still active) and they [DATELINE] broke their agreement with Tim and John to make this production. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.msg354749#msg354749

oceanexploration posted Feb 29, 2008
I am the one who made those screen captures from live ROV footage. You foolishly thought they were taken from the footage on Dateline!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2660.msg357379#msg357379


By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others...
What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360282#msg360282


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:19:04 PM
Quote
Does that mean we have to wait for corruption to clean up itself on Aruba?

I do not believe that corruption cleans itself up.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 02:21:31 PM
IIRC.I believe Tim Trahan plead guilty to some sort of fraud,insider trading.. ::MonkeyCool::

Here's a link to the discussion of one of the so-called heros!One has admitted to insider trading securities fraud and another is being investigated for it.WoW.What a crew of Hero's ehh! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 02:22:09 PM
IIRC.I believe Tim Trahan plead guilty to some sort of fraud,insider trading.. ::MonkeyCool::

Here's a link to the discussion of one of the so-called heros!One has admitted to insider trading securities fraud and,another is being investigated for it.WoW.What a crew of Hero's ehh! ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.180


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:23:27 PM
MAY 19, 2008 KYLE POSTED:
 just heard from John a few minutes ago (who's still rightfully pissed at me). Keep this confidential.

He stated:
"You confirmed (and I have read the Scared Monkeys postings which is what fired me up) that the posted pictures of the pond IS IN FACT the Pond we surveyed. They would have continued to speculate and guess. CAPSLOCK is another EGO that has to pump out the “I solved it” information. Systems analyst my ass. He is not if even employed! I could tell you more, but not now. The fact is you confirmed for the world that this is the pond. There are thousands of these little ponds on the island, now it is known as to which one. (It might interest you to know that people are digging in that pond as we speak! Who are they?? No one knows. The Polis did not drain that pond and they did not search it, period! That is the issues that I have been dealing with."

In my defense, they already posted the right pond and pictures of it...just not everyone had caught up yet. Regardless I shouldn't have posted a thing.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:24:23 PM
Hi Dawg,

How's it hang'n!
heh Heh



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:33:11 PM
Here is Kyle's post accusing Red of posting the photos of the trap.
oceanexploration posted at SM: Feb. 23, 2008
Quote
Stay out of business you don't belong in.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.560
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357200#msg357200


Here is Destiny's post regarding her involvement in posting the pond photos
Hey Sweet Peaches...I'll have photos of drained pond this pm from *direct* sourse in Aruba....they are on site as I type.....
Destiny...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.900


Pond photos were uploaded to Caps website.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:41:25 PM
Nevermind.....I was confusing cage photos with pond photos, I believe.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Me too!

Kermit

Was Kyle Kingman refering to the leaked ROV images in the first part of his post or ... was the entire post refering the pond images.

Thanks.

Janet

+++++


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - May 17, 2008:  Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true.

Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.com



Kyle is talking about the pond photos that Destiny posted here on SM and the email he rec'd from John Silvetti wherein John was very upset and accused him of posting the pond photos.

Kyle attacked RED and accused him of posting the cage/trap photos that Robin Holloway posted at BNH site. Someone emailed them to Klassend and she posted them on SM. Kyle was mistaken that SM had anything to do with those photos being leaked.

Kyle had his own photos from the ROV dive on Jan. 7th and he posted them online in his flicker account.   :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 02:43:57 PM

Does that mean we have to wait for corruption to clean up itself on Aruba?

WhiskeyGirl

Maybe ... the Persistence betrayal could stand alone and ... the family will be afforded a measure of closure.

If FBI involvement is not an option ... I somehow believe that Kyle Kingman's own words along with the great research derived from the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO thread as well as the ROV images that have already been revealed ... could be a foundation of a lawsuit by the family ... a lawsuit that could have the ability to force expose of the entire ROV footage.

Janet

++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman:  Louis DOES have legal rights to the footage regardless of Underwater Expeditions status. Louis personally signed the checks for the search.

Kyle Kingman:    I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 02:45:45 PM
Nevermind.....I was confusing cage photos with pond photos, I believe.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Me too!

Kermit

Was Kyle Kingman refering to the leaked ROV images in the first part of his post or ... was the entire post refering the pond images.

Thanks.

Janet

+++++


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - May 17, 2008:  Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM. This is not true.

Also, I need to show that I wasn't the first to leak the information about the pond search. Please Help if you can. Thanks!

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.com



Kyle is talking about the pond photos that Destiny posted here on SM and the email he rec'd from John Silvetti wherein John was very upset and accused him of posting the pond photos.

Kyle attacked RED and accused him of posting the cage/trap photos that Robin Holloway posted at BNH site. Someone emailed them to Klassend and she posted them on SM. Kyle was mistaken that SM had anything to do with those photos being leaked.

Kyle had his own photos from the ROV dive on Jan. 7th and he posted them online in his flicker account.   :smt040


Thanks Kermit.

I had perceived Kyle Kingman's post all wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
Then again ... I could be all wrong.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Later Monkeys

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 09, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
IIRC.I believe Tim Trahan plead guilty to some sort of fraud,insider trading.. ::MonkeyCool::

Here's a link to the discussion of one of the so-called heros!One has admitted to insider trading securities fraud and,another is being investigated for it.WoW.What a crew of Hero's ehh! ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.180

Thank you KTF for bringing that link forward.

RE-READING this really, really shows us a pattern & a motive!


* Louis Schaefer
* Tim Tehran
* John Silvetti
* Kyle Kingman - "John paid my invoices" - so Kingman ran off to sell the ROV images of a cage that contains a skull, a tennis shoe and blue material.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
IIRC.I believe Tim Trahan plead guilty to some sort of fraud,insider trading.. ::MonkeyCool::

Here's a link to the discussion of one of the so-called heros!One has admitted to insider trading securities fraud and,another is being investigated for it.WoW.What a crew of Hero's ehh! ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.180

Thank you KTF for bringing that link forward.

RE-READING this really, really shows us a pattern & a motive!


* Louis Schaefer
* Tim Tehran
* John Silvetti
* Kyle Kingman - "John paid my invoices" - so Kingman ran off to sell the ROV images of a cage that contains a skull, a tennis shoe and blue material.






No problemo Kermit!Thanks goes to you,Freebird's,Monkey's,as well as the mods for the their continued pursuit of Justice for Natalee Holloway!We're not done either.....

UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
Thanks Keepthefaith

I have learned in my ongoing walk in this journey called life ... those who have crossed my path ... those who have a character that defrauds in one area ... will defraud in any area which is deemed self-beneficial.

Keepthefaith ... was it determined that the Persistence Tim Trahan is the same Tim Trahan who is reference in the article?

Janet

+++++++


Keepthefaith
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
« Reply #156 on: February 26, 2009, 02:50:14 AM »


U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased), each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.msg691623#msg691623



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 03:51:49 PM
Thanks Keepthefaith

I have learned in my ongoing walk in this journey called life ... those who have crossed my path ... those who have a character that defrauds in one area ... will defraud in any area which is deemed self-beneficial.

Keepthefaith ... was it determined that the Persistence Tim Trahan is the same Tim Trahan who is reference in the article?

Janet

+++++++


Keepthefaith
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 -
« Reply #156 on: February 26, 2009, 02:50:14 AM »


U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C.
Litigation Release No. 17213 / October 31, 2001
Securities and Exchange Commission v. William A. Rothrock, IV et al., Civil Action No. H013732 (MH) (S.D. Tex.)

FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AT USA WASTE SERVICES, INC. AND NINE OTHERS SETTLE INSIDER TRADING CHARGES BY AGREEING TO BE ENJOINED AND TO PAY MORE THAN $2.5 MILLION IN DISGORGEMENTS, INTEREST AND PENALTIES

The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed a complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas (Houston Division) alleging that (1) ten individuals --William A Rothrock, IV, W. Gregory Orr, Logan L. Nichols, Glenn A. Oakes, Clarence L. Miller, Stephen P. Gauthier, Richard M. Miller, Darrell L. Goodreau, Matthew E. Miller, and Timothy D. Trahan -- engaged in unlawful insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's acquisition of American Waste Services, Inc. in February, 1998, and (2), five weeks later, Rothrock and seven of the individuals engaged in illegal insider trading and/or tipping in advance of the announcement of USA Waste's merger with Waste Management, Inc. in March, 1998.

The Complaint alleges that Rothrock learned of USA Waste's plan to acquire American Waste in his capacity as Senior Vice President of Business Development at USA Waste and breached his duty by tipping Orr, Nichols and Oakes in advance of the public announcement of the acquisition on February 6, 1998. Based on these tips, Orr, Nichols and Oakes each purchased American Waste stock. Shortly thereafter, Nichols tipped his friends Clarence L. Miller, Stephen Gauthier, Richard M. Miller and Robert "Dale" Trahan ("Dale Trahan") (now deceased), each of whom also purchased American Waste stock. Richard Miller then tipped his son, Matthew E. Miller and his friend Goodreau, both of whom traded. Dale Trahan tipped his son Timothy D. Trahan, who also traded. Between February 5 and 6, the trader defendants and Dale Trahan purchased, in the aggregate, 322,500 shares of American Waste stock, which they later sold for combined profits of $567,634.75.
 
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17213.htm


Could this be THE TIMOTHY D. TRAHAN????????We must confirm,and or deny???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.msg691623#msg691623



I do believe it is!I find it very unlikely that it isn't but,what do i know? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 04:28:11 PM

Does that mean we have to wait for corruption to clean up itself on Aruba?

WhiskeyGirl

Maybe ... the Persistence betrayal could stand alone and ... the family will be afforded a measure of closure.

If FBI involvement is not an option ... I somehow believe that Kyle Kingman's own words along with the great research derived from the OIL & GAS PIPELINE INFO thread as well as the ROV images that have already been revealed ... could be a foundation of a lawsuit by the family ... a lawsuit that could have the ability to force expose of the entire ROV footage.

Janet

++++++

THE ROV IMAGES

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman:  Louis DOES have legal rights to the footage regardless of Underwater Expeditions status. Louis personally signed the checks for the search.

Kyle Kingman:    I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net



KYLE KINGMAN - THE CATALYST

It is my prayer that Kyle Kingman with stand with the family in this lawsuit and do the right thing and ... relate what he observed that deeply concerned him while he was on board the Persistence as well as ... release to the court his copy of the entire ROV footage.

This young man original intentions were honorable in his attempt to do right by the family when he approached the Natalee's Freebirds for assistance in exposing the John Silvetti/Tim Trahan betrayal.  However ... at some point in time ... Kyle was pursuaded to flip flop and go in a directios that deemed to be personally beneficial.  In other words ... he made the choice to sell out Natalee Holloway and her family.

I believe with all my heart ... when Kyle's spiritual foundation is considered ... a spiritual foundation which reflects mine ... that the time will come when he will be compelled to genuinely seek forgiveness from God.  He will bow and reach up.  Then Kyle will do what needs to be done in an attempt to make right his wrongdoing.  Then there is the added hope that he will receive the forgiveness of those who were wronged ... Natalee Holloway's family.  When I think of the family ... I do believe he will receive forgiveness.  Nevertheless ... Kyle will have been redeemed.

The precident was set 2000 years ago.

Janet


1 John 1:9
IF
we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 09, 2009, 04:52:39 PM
IIRC.I believe Tim Trahan plead guilty to some sort of fraud,insider trading.. ::MonkeyCool::

Here's a link to the discussion of one of the so-called heros!One has admitted to insider trading securities fraud and,another is being investigated for it.WoW.What a crew of Hero's ehh! ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4584.180

Thank you KTF for bringing that link forward.

RE-READING this really, really shows us a pattern & a motive!


* Louis Schaefer
* Tim Tehran
* John Silvetti
* Kyle Kingman - "John paid my invoices" - so Kingman ran off to sell the ROV images of a cage that contains a skull, a tennis shoe and blue material.






And the most telling statement of all is Kyle's:  If it wasn't her, it was the biggest cosmic WTF moment of my life.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 05:30:46 PM
I agree Kerm.

There was a very concerted effort to keep knowledge of that cage from the public.

Silvetti buried it
Aruba buried it
Trahan tried to bury it (Dateline)

Then came the detractors by way of Marcos and Caps.....

VERY concerted effort.

Who was on this case in the beginning, and still on it in Dec 2007 - Jan 2008?

Dolph Richardson

Whose wife worked for the polis in charge of their staffing?

Jeannette Richardson - Dolph's wife

Quote

The plan was to convince the world through the Dateline special that nothing case related was in the trap and ... the search effort would move on to "deeper waters" as instructed by the "powers that be".

However ... the December 29, 2007 ROV dive which clearly revealed ... according to the ships ROV image analyst ... that Natalee Holloway's remains were most likely in that trap ... would come back to haunt them through Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet


Actually, I do not believe that they expected the cage to be revealed so the world would never have known if Dateline had not shown that cage in their special. Keep in mind, that Tim Tehran was trying to stop Dateline from airing that footage allegedly to protect the family from seeing that. Tim Miller was sent off the boat by John Silvetti according to Kyle. Even though we know that Tim Miller was still around for a couple of days. The Aruban's were working behind the scenes with setting up the Margos scam and the Pond hoax for Dave Holloway, which completely got the focus off of the cage/trap. Then there was the Rover tapes confession. Joran had no idea that he was being taped. He thought Patrick was his ally. The only piece of information he left out of his confession was the name of the man who helped him get rid of Natalee's body.
He admitted to raping her.

Who is the cop that helped Joran?









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
Nevermind.....I was confusing cage photos  with pond photos, I believe.    ::MonkeyConfused::

Right - that caused the freak out to Red by Kyle.  He shared those back and forth emails with us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 05:33:13 PM
Is there any update on action by the FBI on those pictures?  Breaking news?

Why don't you call Carmen Adams and find out for the Monkeys?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 05:36:44 PM
So..Dolph helped Paulus & The Perps from the getgo???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 05:39:47 PM
Anyone have any thoughts as to WHY Silvetti would want people to "continue to speculate and guess" which pond it was?  ::MonkeyRoll::

Especially after it was revealed that it was HIM that did the 'search' of that pond initially...

Interesting also to note his direct contradiction to what Caps was telling SM - that ALE did NOT, in fact, either drain or search that pond.

Anyone also wonder why Silvetti would be lying to Kyle here about who had been digging in that pond?

Make anyone wonder if he had previously lied to Kyle about other things?  Such as................Oh, I don't know............the cage, its contents, and what was being done about it?

MAY 19, 2008 KYLE POSTED:
 just heard from John a few minutes ago (who's still rightfully pissed at me). Keep this confidential.

He stated:
"You confirmed (and I have read the Scared Monkeys postings which is what fired me up) that the posted pictures of the pond IS IN FACT the Pond we surveyed. They would have continued to speculate and guess. CAPSLOCK is another EGO that has to pump out the “I solved it” information. Systems analyst my ass. He is not if even employed! I could tell you more, but not now. The fact is you confirmed for the world that this is the pond. There are thousands of these little ponds on the island, now it is known as to which one. (It might interest you to know that people are digging in that pond as we speak! Who are they?? No one knows. The Polis did not drain that pond and they did not search it, period! That is the issues that I have been dealing with."

In my defense, they already posted the right pond and pictures of it...just not everyone had caught up yet. Regardless I shouldn't have posted a thing.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 09, 2009, 05:44:39 PM
So..Dolph helped Paulus & The Perps from the getgo???

Well let's think about it for a minute.......

Yes, we had vd Straten - Paulus' good buddy

We had Dennis Jacobs - Narcotics detective assigned to this case as lead Detective

We had Dolph in charge of this case behind the scenes and calling the shots for..............wasn't it almost a full year before we knew about him?

And who was in charge of the ALE staffing?  Who could have been making decisions as to who worked what cases?

Jeannette Richardson.

The tie between all of the above and the MEP party (Rudy Croes and Nel Oduber)?

Jan vd Straten and Jeannette Richardson sat on the 2005 election committe for the MEP party.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 09, 2009, 05:51:36 PM
So..Dolph helped Paulus & The Perps from the getgo???

Well let's think about it for a minute.......

Yes, we had vd Straten - Paulus' good buddy

We had Dennis Jacobs - Narcotics detective assigned to this case as lead Detective

We had Dolph in charge of this case behind the scenes and calling the shots for..............wasn't it almost a full year before we knew about him?

And who was in charge of the ALE staffing?  Who could have been making decisions as to who worked what cases?

Jeannette Richardson.

The tie between all of the above and the MEP party (Rudy Croes and Nel Oduber)?

Jan vd Straten and Jeannette Richardson sat on the 2005 election committe for the MEP party.  ::MonkeyCool::

For the love of God,Jeannette Richardson is a woman and she could be complicit in the cover-up of the rape and murder of an 18 yr-old girl..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: She must feel real good about herself!Prayers for her children,If she has any!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 06:38:42 PM
THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

Logic dictates that collaborating with enemy is only going to further the Aruban agenda that is preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  Considering his chosen profession ... I will give Peter Devries the benefit of the doubt that he comprehends.

Janet

++++++++

ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA - FEBRUARY 8, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA - APRIL 5, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why would Dompig want off this case? He has just gone on CBS 48 hours and said he was at a critical stage in this investigation. That is what they told 48 hours and he also said he believes it is alcohol and drugs. Making a rather profound announcement and then on Monday says he wants off.

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, he actually said this last September. He was only suppose to be on the case for about six weeks. He was actually manhandling two positions by doing both the Noord district as well as the Oranjestad district. So, you know, this was a hefty handful here and Richardson who has been on the case since day one under Van der Straaten has continued on in Van der Straaten’s position. So it is really not as comical as people are making it out to be.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 06:41:28 PM
Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 09, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 08:06:58 PM
That might be an Admin link only.  See if this works

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/21/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-monday-january-21-2008-mediums-daniel-young-and-kelly-castillo-channel-bs-in-natalee-holloway-case/

Thanks Klaas

I hope that all is OK.  Family is where it is at!  You are are a good daughter-in-law.

Klaas ... The Aruban Justice Minister ... gave credit to the vile accusations spewed forth by the two psychics against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway when it was implied that Young and Castillo's accusations should be investigated.

Janet

+++++++


REMINDER:

Amigoe
January 17, 2008
Natalee abused by stepfather Jug


This time, the local media has paid plenty of attention to the story of Dan Young and Kelly Castillo.

ORANJESTAD — Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice is of the opinion that the findings of the two American investigators Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway, must be seriously considered. The two assert that Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty has abused and impregnated her and that her mother Beth knew about it. The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators.

<snipped>

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php


Jossy Mansur
EMAIL
January 18, 2008


I am aware of the two "spiritualists" trying to get some publicity. As far as we can tell, they seem to be men who claim to have contacts with the dead, and who hold dialogues with the nether regions. None of the stories they put out measure up to the truth, and their assessments of Natalee and Beth is way off course and totally false.

They were brought to Aruba by a member of this government, and we all know what that means! As far as we are concerned. it's just an act put on by two "spiritualists" that claim to belong to "the Guiding Light", whatever that is or means.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329921#msg329921


Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young
Bon Dia Aruba
April 10, 2006


"There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing. All the while the country is spending money searching for her. The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her."

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=386


Dan Young insists:
Jug Twitty is the father of the baby that Natalee was carrying
DIARIO Aruba
01/17/2008


ORANJESTAD(AAN): A press conference took place Wednesday morning related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The press conference was given by two Americans, Dan Young and Kelly Castillo, who work in the spiritual world [mediums].

During an encounter of the press with the two people who work in the spiritual world, which surrounded the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the press asked Dan Young and Kelly Castillo what really happened to the American youngster.

According to Young, the week of her disappearance, Natalee worked out a plan because she knew that her mom and dad were coming to Aruba.

Young continued to say that at a certain time in 2006, they brought police to a place without using a map. When police observed something remarkable, their mouths dropped and one of the police agents D.J. said that he would send agents with special dogs early the following morning, but this never happened.

Young also said that he has the names of various people who were with Natalee and the names of the different streets where she was.

He said that Natalee suffered an overdose in the hands of other people who are not Joran, Satish or Deepak.

According to Young, if this was not true, he would not know all the names and details.

Young explained that he understands everything about this case, because when he was younger, he also ran away from home.

According to Young, it’s true that Joran left Natalee at the beach, but afterwards other people came across Natalee and befriended her. They helped her hide in the San Nicolas area.

According to Young, it is practically impossible to think that a 17 year old boy such as Joran could be so good to cause an international mystery, after which he passed his exams easily.

Young said that when by coincidence he met Paul and Anita van der Sloot, he put his hand on Paul’s chest and said: “I know that your son didn’t do anything” and Paul and Anita started to cry.

Press asks Young of how Beth lied.

According to Young, she lied to hide what really was happening in their family back home. It was not the first time Natalee ran away from home [according to Young].

Joran himself said that Natalee said that her mom was like “Hitler”.

Young asked himself of how no one interrogated adequately the kids who were with Natalee in Aruba, nor the pilot of the private jet that brought Beth to Aruba.

Beth wants to put the attention on Joran and on an island that supposedly didn’t do enough, to distract the attention from herself and the situation in her home.

Beth believed that Anita and Paul van der Sloot at first also were helping to hide Natalee. Young continued to say that there’s a female person of high position who is no longer in Aruba who has much more information on this matter.

She is in the U.S. and knew for sure that Natalee was alive. This case became a big “cover up”.

Young also said that Beth and Jug were very afraid of the truth coming out. Young dared Jug and Beth to prove him wrong.

According to Young, he is willing to put his reputation and career on the like. Young said that Beth and especially Jug are in fear that the truth comes out because he [Jug] is the father of the baby that Natalee was carrying.

DIARIO asked Young the names of any of the people who knew the truth of Natalee’s disappearance and he mentioned Marian Ann Smith and someone name Minard.

Young also showed to the press the immigration document that clearly showed that Beth arrived in Aruba at 7:45 at night and not 11:00 as Beth has said.

DIARIO asked Young and Castillo some of the names of the local people who know about this case and Young said that one of them is locked up in KIA and that he spoke with Dolphi Richardson about this and also other authorities.

DIARIO asked Young how he believed that those who were with Natalee did not come forward with her to claim the reward money.

Young explained that because people had seen what happened to Joran, Deepak and Satish and the fact that the young woman died of an overdose at a certain point, was sufficient reason for them not to come forward.

Despite everything that was brought up by Young and Castillo, DIARIO’s point of view remains unchanged, which is that Joran, Satish and Deepak are those who really know what happened to Natalee Holloway.

[translated by Getagrip]

Posted by Getagrip

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/01/dan-young-insists-jug-twitty-is-father.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
PRAYER REQUESTS
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=21.3800


I am requesting that your  send your prayers of healing and recovery to my daughter Shaunie.  She is undergoing surgery on her leg and chest for Melanoma tomorrow morning.  Fortunately it was caught early, and I am asking prayers that this surgery will resolve all of this for her. My thanks as always.


UPDATE

She has 30 stitches on her knee and 10 on her chest.  They think they got it all, but will wait for the full biopsy to be returned.   I appreciate your prayers so much.  I hope we are just going to continue in the healing and be done with it. 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::   Janet, thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeBethGrad1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:15:01 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63592.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Aruba Ports Authority loses one million case

October 9, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-3-zim-houston-iii.gif)
 
Container Ship Zim Houston III collided in 2005, a pilot boat and the quay of the container port. The damage ran into the millions.


ORANGE CITY - Aruba Ports Authority (APA) has a civil suit last Wednesday against the company lost MS Austria. The Port Authority claimed some 2 million florin of the company, which in turn suggested a counterclaim of $ 500,000. Both demands were rejected by the Court. Director Alfonso Boekhoudt APA informs that disagrees with the decision and "will certainly appeal.

In March 2005 there was a heavy collision in the container port of Oranjestad. Upon entry into a port slowed the container ship Zim Houston III and not speed collided with great force against the quay, at the place where a new tug was moored. The small boat was swept by the great ship disappeared and half under water. The pilot boat got here irreparably damaged. The blow to the quay wall was so loud that a large crack formed and the walls of the building of the coastal station were damaged. The main tube of the water supply of the WEB was also heavily damaged. The material damage by experts from the port authorities are estimated at 3.8 million florin. This concerns the largely destroyed pilot boat, the restoration of the quay wall and a wall of a building of APA, rental of hangar vessels from abroad and the purchase of a new replacement vessel. The pilot boat was destroyed only three years in business in the Aruban port.

The container ship was then detained for some time pending a bank guarantee for the settlement of the damage. The captain of the ship because it was blamed for causing the accident. After a bank guarantee was issued, the ship should leave a few weeks later. Attempts to settle, were unsuccessful and therefore Aruba Ports Authority in 2005 began a lawsuit against the German parent company MS Austria. Despite the ruling of the Court of First Instance has APA hopeful the appeal. "We believe that the Court did not take into account existing case law and new legislation," said director Boekhoudt. "If a settlement can still not be affected, then we have a long way to go legal." Should the Port Authority in the Common Court again in the heads, then APA is prepared to go in appeal to the Supreme Court, as shows the determined director know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63590.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

6 months for arms sales to Mansur

October 9, 2009, 14:13 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Suspected F.P. earlier this week has 6 months imprisonment of which 157 days probation and a probation period of 2 years to her demands heard. He is accused of including illegal firearm sales at the Luis Mansur and involvement in so-called Domino case, which Mansur on members of a SWAT team shot.

The president was accused of a shooting club and had a license for two firearms. During a search of justice, however, found five different firearms and also were not, as required by law, in a locked gun safe. Were also machines for making ammunition was found and there were combustible materials distributed. There was no additional fire extinguisher present. During a police interview of Mansur known that he was a hunting rifle from the suspect P. would have purchased.

The suspect was when he sold the rifle, also involved in arranging the shooting of a membership club for Mansur. "The suspect knew so well that Mansur was not a Member and Firearms should not have." Said the prosecutor. Besides prison and probation, the prosecution also demanded a fine of 3000 florin or 60 days imprisonment. The seized firearms to be destroyed. Because the judge wants clarification on some points, the Court sent the case back to the investigating judge. There is no new date pinned to treat this matter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:21:21 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63594.php

Google translation:

Temporary permit for Dutch

October 9, 2009, 14:21 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - European and Antillean Dutch, who like to draw on Aruba and this year already spent 180 days in Aruba, now get a "temporary permit" until January 2010 for the necessary papers to settle here on the island. This confirms Booshi Minister Wever (MEP) of Public Health, Environmental, Administrative and Immigration today tege the Amigoe.

The minister said the measure taken to "show our good faith" against the Dutch. Spokesman of the Representation of the Netherlands (VNO) Menno Bart is aware of the temporary license, but remains cautious in his statements. "I've heard in the corridors, but it is not official. You should put Dimas call, they have the last word, "says Bart.

Yet he says that this measure would be taken because of the confusion that might have arisen recently about the tightening of the old Alien Admission Policy by August 1. After half hours on the line to have hung Dimas, without success, able minister Booshi the news is confirmed with certainty. "But you details on the press release of Dimas waiting where everything is told. Since the organization is now doing, "said Booshi.

On September 11 this newspaper first wrote about the new Alien Admission Policy. When it was announced that Dutch tourists who like to stay long in Aruba, the rules have been tightened since August 1. They may now stay up to 180 days in a period of twelve months. This part replaces the old Aliens Admission Policy of November 1, 2007 that people from the Kingdom of the Netherlands more than 180 consecutive days per calendar year as tourists may stay in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:25:46 AM
ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63593.php

Google translation:

Budget deficit is 97 million higher

October 9, 2009, 14:19 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-vergadering-raadsz.gif)

Mike and Mike Eman formateur de Meza Werleman talking to Derrick, Executive Director of Finance

ORANGE CITY - Formateur Mike Eman said to have been unpleasantly surprised yesterday when during the conversation with Derrick Werleman, Executive Director of Finance, it appeared that over the deficit in the budget starting at 2009 indicated an additional deficit of as much as 97 miloen florin is. "That means an additional 97 million have to borrow," said Eman. The shortages are the result of additional government revenue was much lower than estimated. The fact that this additional government deficit would have kept silent and would not have acted in the past blamed the formateur election time. "Transparency was probably not optimal in that time. Was this done in a different period than we had learned much earlier. But because it was a sensitive time we did not know everything. We now know that Finance Department had sent a letter to the minister in which he expressed his concerns. The letter we had not seen. Did we have seen it then we probably also an issue of it during the elections. Now we get this letter as formateur is to see and we know exactly what the concerns were and what was recommended, "said Eman, who adds that there have been indications from the Department of Finance, which would increase the deficit and unpack that a little group of confidants Minister Nilo Swaen were in the hole that finding how they could absorb. "One of the options which have been thought out loud, was the adaptation of the rate of BBO" said Eman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:37:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63591.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Nelson Oduber state office, but opposition continues to perform

October 9, 2009, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - outgoing Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) state in the coming reign off his seat in Parliament to a younger candidate. The party leader said, however, will remain active opposition figure outside the parliament. "I've decided that after the election, even though I have 6320 votes, I both inside and outside the parliament can represent as leader of MEP." Following the election result requires changes in MEP, said Oduber. "So I decided to step aside and put a new candidate if the chance. I also hope that some of my colleagues to follow my example. I do not think for today, but four years now look forward to the next election and how MEP will then have to present, with new people. "Oduber continues to be party leader and will" quietly "fulfill its role in the opposition . In all likelihood follow Xiomara Ruiz-Maduro him.

"Sales Girl '
During the press conference took Oduber quite forward to the forthcoming new cabinet ministers of the Eman. "For eight years, the Government of MEP accuses people who put ministerial posts have not had experience in terms of their ministry. But when I look who is now Minister of Finance, would you as a good carpenter to send to the hospital to perform operations. With all due respect to Mike de Meza, according molecules can handle it fine because it is chemical engineer, but for public finances seems to me a political appointment. He also said Michelle Winklaar a sales girl "from a telecom provider and Otmar Oduber a former office boy with a bachelor's degree. "And then we got the wind from the front because our Minister of Justice was an expert in laboratia", said Oduber, who only at this press conference was the opportunity to congratulate the winning parties. "Let me congratulate the parties that won seats. I wish them luck and hope they make good use of what the people have given them to work for the coming years and that they too will live up to promises made. Our job will be to keep them there also. "

Interbank
Oduber says now "feel freer to" at the way he considers appropriate to conduct opposition. "When I enter I will opposition grounded. I have a lot of documents at my disposal. "Oduber told the press be streamed copies of the full report around the Interbank scandal, which the family Eman at a rate of 0 percent and no deposit would have borrowed money to refinance the bankrupt Emco company. "I want to know what other banks that can so we can correct our campaign debt. Also for the debts we have incurred in bringing Kassav ', said Oduber. "Later, FCCA at the amount of a debt of 100 million guilders a forced." It was the fault of the family are included Eman. "I have all documents." Oduber doubts the Ministry table nature of formateur Mike Eman, since he personally guarantee for the loan. "I find it immoral that your company is piped to two million a debt of 100 million people for which it pays. Interbank AVP and the party was also owed money, I have it in writing. "In the future, the outgoing premier release more documents. "I am a man of ethics and I have never previously made public, but now I distribute them in a series."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:43:52 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63587.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

90,000 friends

October 9, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-campagne-90.gif)


ORANGE CITY - Nine buses driving around with a striking welcome message to tourists. This invites visitors to enjoy the beautiful beaches and 90,000 friends who have not yet met. The campaign is sponsored by the Marriott hotel and Tourime Aruba Tourist Authority (ATA). The message, according to Bettina Gonzalez, project director of sales and marketing for Marriott Vacation Club two-fold. "It is both a recognition of the community that they make Aruba a special place, as a signal to the tourists that we are very pleased to have them as our guest." According to ATA Director Myrna Jansen, the campaign at a good time . Come late October organizers of business meetings around the world now for the Society of Incentive & Travel Executives (SITE) conference here, said Jansen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 12:46:38 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63585.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Conference Tourism Site

October 9, 2009, 14:06 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The ATA and Tourism Tourist Organization AHATA are busy preparing for the annual conference of the Society of Incentive and Travel Executives (Site). Given the importance of the event, the organization visits to government organizations and business to them informing them of what is going on. It is the second time the conference site will be held in Aruba.

The organization holds each year a comprehensive selection to host the next conference site to choose. Aruba was in 1993 though the first host of the conference site. The event begins on October 30 and runs until November 2. ATA AHATA and cooperate with the Aruba Convention Bureau for the organization accordingly. Delegations with influential people from the travel come from all over the world to participate in workshops, roundtable discussions, networking evenings and gala dinners. The benefit to Aruba, ATA said, is that these people spend millions in the travel and opportunity to learn about everything the island has to offer.

The non-profit organization Site was founded in 1973 and is currently over 2100 members from 87 different countries. The members are mainly executives and managers of travel companies. Mission of the organization is to promote business congresses, motivation and other business travel. Site members can use knowledge of 'best practice' experiences and expertise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
No mention of the partner?   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 02:09:12 AM
http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2009-10/15158321-update-1-valero-won-t-rule-out-alternatives-for-any-plants-020.htm

09.10.2009 02:08


UPDATE 1-Valero won't rule out alternatives for any plants

 
By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Leading U.S. refiner Valero Energy Corp will not rule out 'strategic alternatives' including possible shutdowns at any of its 16 refineries in current economic downturn, a company spokesman said on Thursday.

The company is not necessarily willing to sell any refineries, but strategic alternatives would include possible refinery or unit shutdowns to contend with crushed demand in the recession, said spokesman Bill Day.

'We wouldn't rule out strategic alternatives at any of our refineries,' Day told Reuters in an interview.

Valero's announcement comes days after fellow independent

refiner Sunoco Inc began shutting down a refinery in the New Jersey suburbs east of Philadelphia.

Previously, Valero used the term strategic alternatives when it put a refinery up for sale.

Chairman and Chief Executive Bill Klesse reiterated to employees in a memo this week that Valero was still aggressively pursuing strategic alternatives for refineries in Paulsboro, New Jersey, Delaware City, Delaware, and Aruba, according to sources familiar with the document.

The 235,000 bpd Aruba refinery has been on the block since 2007.

'There's been no movement on a deal at that refinery,' said a source familiar attempts to sell it.

Aruban officials have said PetroChina is a would-be buyer of the refinery. Petrobras has also been identified as a potential buyer.

Valero has never confirmed the identity of possible buyers of any of its refineries.


To cut costs at Paulsboro, Day said, Valero is offering early retirement packages to 100 employees out of a refinery workforce of 550.

The Paulsboro refinery is in the same New Jersey county as the refinery Sunoco is shutting.

Valero's struggle illustrates how much U.S. refining economics have changed since the recession began in the fall of the 2008.

Twenty-two months ago, Klesse identified 12 of 18 refineries Valero owned at that time as 'core' to the company's future and which Valero would invest in.

Among those core plants was the 210,000 bpd Delaware City refinery, where Valero recently shut a coker and gasifier unit. laying off workers on those units.

Rumors continue to swirl the Delaware City refinery may be shut indefinitely sometime in 2010. Day said again on Thursday Valero has no plans to shut the plant.

Valero shut the Aruba refinery in July as a temporary measure during the downturn. It became an indefinite shutdown in late August as market conditions failed to improve.

At its Corpus Christi, Texas, refinery Valero has shut a gasoline unit and a coking unit. The company has also reduced production levels at other refineries.

Day said legislation passed earlier this year by the U.S. Congress to reduce carbon emissions makes the long-term outlook for independent refiners like Valero doubtful.

Valero has previously said the legislation could cost the company between $6 billion and $7 billion, equal to Valero's earnings in 2006, one of the company's best years.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 02:19:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 10, 2009, 07:27:14 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63587.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

90,000 friends

October 9, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-campagne-90.gif)


ORANGE CITY - Nine buses driving around with a striking welcome message to tourists. This invites visitors to enjoy the beautiful beaches and 90,000 friends who have not yet met. The campaign is sponsored by the Marriott hotel and Tourime Aruba Tourist Authority (ATA). The message, according to Bettina Gonzalez, project director of sales and marketing for Marriott Vacation Club two-fold. "It is both a recognition of the community that they make Aruba a special place, as a signal to the tourists that we are very pleased to have them as our guest." According to ATA Director Myrna Jansen, the campaign at a good time . Come late October organizers of business meetings around the world now for the Society of Incentive & Travel Executives (SITE) conference here, said Jansen.

Natalee's picture would look nice and be more appropriate on the back of that bus (hint hint)  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 11:59:01 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63587.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

90,000 friends

October 9, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-campagne-90.gif)


ORANGE CITY - Nine buses driving around with a striking welcome message to tourists. This invites visitors to enjoy the beautiful beaches and 90,000 friends who have not yet met. The campaign is sponsored by the Marriott hotel and Tourime Aruba Tourist Authority (ATA). The message, according to Bettina Gonzalez, project director of sales and marketing for Marriott Vacation Club two-fold. "It is both a recognition of the community that they make Aruba a special place, as a signal to the tourists that we are very pleased to have them as our guest." According to ATA Director Myrna Jansen, the campaign at a good time . Come late October organizers of business meetings around the world now for the Society of Incentive & Travel Executives (SITE) conference here, said Jansen.

Natalee's picture would look nice and be more appropriate on the back of that bus (hint hint)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63587.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

90,000 friends

October 9, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-campagne-90.gif)


ORANGE CITY - Nine buses driving around with a striking welcome message to tourists. This invites visitors to enjoy the beautiful beaches and 90,000 friends who have not yet met. The campaign is sponsored by the Marriott hotel and Tourime Aruba Tourist Authority (ATA). The message, according to Bettina Gonzalez, project director of sales and marketing for Marriott Vacation Club two-fold. "It is both a recognition of the community that they make Aruba a special place, as a signal to the tourists that we are very pleased to have them as our guest." According to ATA Director Myrna Jansen, the campaign at a good time . Come late October organizers of business meetings around the world now for the Society of Incentive & Travel Executives (SITE) conference here, said Jansen.

Natalee's picture would look nice and be more appropriate on the back of that bus (hint hint)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nut ... I agree.

What would the cost be for huge image of Natalee Holloway to be placed  at the back of a public bus with an appropriate caption as a reminder to the new government of Aruba of the unfinished business it has inherited from the former administration ... as a reminder to Aruba that after 4 1/2 years justice has yet to prevail for an 18 year old American citizen ... as a reminder that America does not forsake her own ...

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2009, 12:40:56 PM
Although Beth Holloway would consider it a futile effort ... maybe John Silvetti could approach the head of the hotel association for a donation to the cause.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158:
  The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount ...

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 10, 2009, 02:18:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63587.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

90,000 friends

October 9, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-aruba-campagne-90.gif)


ORANGE CITY - Nine buses driving around with a striking welcome message to tourists. This invites visitors to enjoy the beautiful beaches and 90,000 friends who have not yet met. The campaign is sponsored by the Marriott hotel and Tourime Aruba Tourist Authority (ATA). The message, according to Bettina Gonzalez, project director of sales and marketing for Marriott Vacation Club two-fold. "It is both a recognition of the community that they make Aruba a special place, as a signal to the tourists that we are very pleased to have them as our guest." According to ATA Director Myrna Jansen, the campaign at a good time . Come late October organizers of business meetings around the world now for the Society of Incentive & Travel Executives (SITE) conference here, said Jansen.

Natalee's picture would look nice and be more appropriate on the back of that bus (hint hint)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nut ... I agree.

What would the cost be for huge image of Natalee Holloway to be placed  at the back of a public bus with an appropriate caption as a reminder to the new government of Aruba of the unfinished business it has inherited from the former administration ... as a reminder to Aruba that after 4 1/2 years justice has yet to prevail for an 18 year old American citizen ... as a reminder that America does not forsake her own ...

Janet



If this is a 'strinking' message to tourists, why didn't they put it in English?  I agree a picture of Natalee would be great, but it will never happen in Aruba. (guess it would sort of defeat their purpose as well)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2009, 02:38:37 PM
Good Morning AZSunny

The former Aruban government attempted to stiffle Jossy Mansur (Diario) right to freedom of speech ... freedom of the press ... in regards to his coverage of the Natalee Holloway case.  The former Aruban attempted to deny a right which is afforded under a democracy ... afforded under Dutch law.  The former government of Aruba lost.

The newly elected government of Aruba has been given an opportunity to do right by Natalee Holloway and concede that a corrupt investigation riddled with conflicts prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen.

The newly elected government of Aruba has been given an opportunity to distance the relationship is thisclose that exists between ATA/AHATA and Aruban Law Enforcement.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2009, 02:46:34 PM
AN UNHOLY ALLIANCE - A BLATANT CONFLICT OF INTEREST

How much power does the ATA-AHATA possess as far as influence in the affairs of the Aruban Law Enforcement?  The line between the two Aruban ministries appear to be very blurred.

Janet

+++++++


ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case  and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- ... Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.


Dr. Phil show - January 29, 2005

Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=


Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

Steve explains, "Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we've got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case."  ...

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=6&null=null


Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008


eTN caught up with Aruba’s minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen: Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us ‘hostage’ for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 10, 2009, 02:52:50 PM
A REMINDER

Amigoe, April 4, 2007: Diario turns to Queen


ORANJESTAD - In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ’safeguard our constitutional rights’.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/06/aruba-hypocrites-mep-oduber-call-for-call-for-boycott-of-diario/


Amigoe, June 29, 2007: Oduber looses case against Diario

“I have lost enough time in this case already. It has become clear to me that everybody can publish anything they want about the government, and not be prosecuted. We have actually been outlawed.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/aruban-prime-minister-in-defeat-still-does-not-understand-freedom-of-the-press-oduber-loses-to-diario/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 08:09:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63635.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Large areas without electricity Aruba

October 10, 2009, 13:30 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/10-pag-1-brand-bij-phoenix-.gif)

The power failure yesterday caused a small fire at the Divi Phoenix Hotel.

ORANGE CITY - Large parts of Aruba were without power yesterday afternoon. A boiler with water and energy company (WEB) in Balashi fell yesterday, letting the electricity disappeared in parts of Santa Cruz, Pos Chiquito, and Orange City. While technicians were working to restore power supply, was also a great conductor of electricity Elmar.

Power outage was subsequently reported from Tanki Flip, Tanki Leendert and San Nicolas. The recovery had therefore take some time. The outage occurred about half past three in the afternoon and lasted for some areas until after six.

As usual, the big hotels including the Divi Phoenix hotel one or more generators for their electricity to guarantee in the event of a power failure. Yesterday afternoon when the power went out, the generator was in Phoenix to present as the guests of electricity may provide. For an unknown reason became the outlet of the generator overheated so the roof - made of chipboard - the generator house caught fire.

The generator was immediately deported. Jose Pesquera said of the Phoenix employees tried to fire extinguishers and garden hoses to keep the fire under control. They did this mainly because they were worried that the fuel for the generator in the fire would fly or explode. Because the wind was not to control the fire and the fire was turned on. Firefighters had the fire under control quickly but could not prevent the roof of the generator house substantially damaged. "Probably we need the whole roof replaced," said Pesquera.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 08:15:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63634.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Eman: "Government Office Safe

October 10, 2009, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/10-aruba-bestuurskantoor-_a.gif)

Work on the top floor of the administration office, where employees first by a centimeter thick layer of feathers and pigeon poop was.

ORANGE CITY - While the Board office by volunteers is ready for use by the government-run Eman some time discussing whether or not the building nou fit to work. MEP was quick to publish a letter in 2007 from both the Department of Public Works (DOW) and the Technical Inspection Service (DTI) which in no uncertain terms stated that the administrative office did not meet the requirements for safety and hygiene and that it would no longer be justified as the prime minister to hold office any longer. In particular, the roof was in very bad condition, according to DOW. It would be visible signs of decay and leakage and the rafters were chronically affected by woodworm. In addition, the feces of rats and pigeons in the roof to provide odor. DTI reported that the electrical installation should be completely renovated to meet the current requirements to meet. During his press conference last Thursday showed Prime Minister Nelson Oduber himself to know that some time after these letters remained in the government office but eventually after a period of persistent rain forced his departure.

According to one formateur Mike Eman has many of the rotten rafters repaired in the past few days. "We are still working on it. It also talks about mold on the walls, which is not good for health. Three days before the work started here have long been companies with high pressure spray again gone and a big wash in here have done. We assume that each room is ready not only clean and fresh, but also safe. Look anywhere in the world is equally spotless. If you have a microbial investigation would do in your own house would scare you. We are not irresponsible but not careful. We all still die once, right? "Said a smiling Mike Eman. According to insiders, it is intended that the Cabinet about a half years in the administrative office resides. Around that time hoped to have come to the Netherlands agreed that the building is restored as a national monument. Then the government moves to a building behind the administrative office is built.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 08:18:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63631.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Valero deletes jobs in U.S.

October 10, 2009, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Valero to 100 jobs in its refinery in the U.S. town of Paulsboro deleted. Currently, a redundancy package offered to the crew of 550 men. In September the oil company announced that a total of 16 refineries in the U.S., Canada and Aruba has, though stopping of two units in their refinery in Delaware City. 150 workers were due to their home. By offering a severance bonus and the attractiveness of the schemes for pensioners to staff in the Valero Paulsboro slim. "We hope that the offer is popular among the workers," said CEO Bill Klees, who said that both permanent employees and contract workers are already able to orient. In a letter to let all employees know that Klees Valero aggressively revise its facilities to continue to improve profits.

Aruba
In June, the production of the refinery in Aruba put stop due to persistent losses. The closure was originally temporary but became final. There were interviews with oil company Petro China for a possible acquisition, but both were among the oil companies with the government. Eventually it was decided that the talks after the elections to take place. On September 11 contract workers were all sent home. The permanent workers have remained in service yet. The future of the refinery was also a commitment during the recent election campaign. AVP hammered in ads that the closure of the refinery's debt of the MEP government. Also, they thought the Mexican oil company Pemex interested in purchasing. The new party was also an MSI cents and announced include contact with the Russian Gazprom, the Swiss and Venezuelan state oil company Trafigura PdVSA. MEP in turn accused them the Valero refinery on purpose and to have concluded this is to have intervened in the election. After the election defeat left premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) will know not to be interfering with the refinery and the new government to leave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 09:19:46 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grandmother_hollowayfamilyg.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 09:26:47 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/10/refineria-ta-birando-un-edificio-fantasma-den-un-escenario-scur/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sanicomaltrempo1.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sanicomaltrempo2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

refineria is birando one edificio ghost in one escenario dark

publication: diabierna, 9 october 2009. categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): the potret here owing to being saca for of rodgers beach just the day cu one awacero pisa owing to cay upstairs aruba. at once can owing to ripara con one cloud very dark owing to stop upstairs the refineria haciendo the view very tristo self.por owing to see practicamente one refineria ghost in one escenario dark y sombrio. not cabe doubt cu valero was give the area of san nicolas much life. now cu the do not funcionando more, can feel in becindario one ambiente very frieu self.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2009, 10:46:16 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://nl.respectance.com/Natalee_Holloway/&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeTributeInHolland_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 10, 2009, 11:19:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63635.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Large areas without electricity Aruba

October 10, 2009, 13:30 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/10-pag-1-brand-bij-phoenix-.gif)

The power failure yesterday caused a small fire at the Divi Phoenix Hotel.

ORANGE CITY - Large parts of Aruba were without power yesterday afternoon. A boiler with water and energy company (WEB) in Balashi fell yesterday, letting the electricity disappeared in parts of Santa Cruz, Pos Chiquito, and Orange City. While technicians were working to restore power supply, was also a great conductor of electricity Elmar.

Power outage was subsequently reported from Tanki Flip, Tanki Leendert and San Nicolas. The recovery had therefore take some time. The outage occurred about half past three in the afternoon and lasted for some areas until after six.

As usual, the big hotels including the Divi Phoenix hotel one or more generators for their electricity to guarantee in the event of a power failure. Yesterday afternoon when the power went out, the generator was in Phoenix to present as the guests of electricity may provide. For an unknown reason became the outlet of the generator overheated so the roof - made of chipboard - the generator house caught fire.

The generator was immediately deported. Jose Pesquera said of the Phoenix employees tried to fire extinguishers and garden hoses to keep the fire under control. They did this mainly because they were worried that the fuel for the generator in the fire would fly or explode. Because the wind was not to control the fire and the fire was turned on. Firefighters had the fire under control quickly but could not prevent the roof of the generator house substantially damaged. "Probably we need the whole roof replaced," said Pesquera.

Wonder if they used that new fire alert system you posted a story about?    ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 10, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://nl.respectance.com/Natalee_Holloway/&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeTributeInHolland_1.jpg)

Never saw this before, but there are comments from late '08.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2009, 01:44:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2009, 02:03:35 AM
Uncovering the persistence - american traitors roles.....
Key to getting Justice for Natalee....
Louis S.
John S.
Tim T.
Kyle........Man up dude.....
I hope our FBI has got the goods on them...
Time will tell........

It is so sad though that kyle won't do the right thing for Justice......



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2009, 02:10:26 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys......
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: teacat on October 11, 2009, 08:19:46 AM
Ok ya'll, it's been a while since I last delurked (I once had my head pinched off by Kyle, if you remember) and I have a few questions, if someone wouldn't mind catching me up.

1. What happened with a.)CapsLockWizard and b.)Destiny? Was he/she (Caps) a shill trying to divert attention the whole time with the misspellings and cryptic messages and pond/apt searches that had us all in circles? Was Destiny a GoodGuy? I ask this because I had the impression he/she was really good and then just dropped off the radar. And I thought Caps was a GoodGuy and he/she too dropped from sight. BleachedBlack is another! There really are so many! LoRain I figured out was just a goof, unless that too has proved incorrect.

2. Can someone (and I know this is alot to ask) post a list of the current GoodGuys and BadGuys, because I have been reading thru MONTHS of posts and am really lost. Was the Persistence also named Endeavor? Were the guys mapping the oceanfloor really there for a future pipeline laying and only did this cage dive as a self-interested scheme? I really thought Kyle was a GoodGuy but now I can't figure out if all of this has been one big hoax.
 Kyle wrote in Nov 2008:
Quote
"To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions:

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence.

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. "
   

Well, was that a lie?

3. Janet, you're one trooper! I cannot believe how long you have stuck this out. I had to back away a year ago because the whole thing was consuming my every waking moment.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 11, 2009, 09:48:54 AM
Ok ya'll, it's been a while since I last delurked (I once had my head pinched off by Kyle, if you remember) and I have a few questions, if someone wouldn't mind catching me up.

1. What happened with a.)CapsLockWizard and b.)Destiny? Was he/she (Caps) a shill trying to divert attention the whole time with the misspellings and cryptic messages and pond/apt searches that had us all in circles? Was Destiny a GoodGuy? I ask this because I had the impression he/she was really good and then just dropped off the radar. And I thought Caps was a GoodGuy and he/she too dropped from sight. BleachedBlack is another! There really are so many! LoRain I figured out was just a goof, unless that too has proved incorrect.

2. Can someone (and I know this is alot to ask) post a list of the current GoodGuys and BadGuys, because I have been reading thru MONTHS of posts and am really lost. Was the Persistence also named Endeavor? Were the guys mapping the oceanfloor really there for a future pipeline laying and only did this cage dive as a self-interested scheme? I really thought Kyle was a GoodGuy but now I can't figure out if all of this has been one big hoax.
 Kyle wrote in Nov 2008:
Quote
"To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions:

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence.

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. "
   

Well, was that a lie?

3. Janet, you're one trooper! I cannot believe how long you have stuck this out. I had to back away a year ago because the whole thing was consuming my every waking moment.
 

CAPLOCKWIZARD was a diversion and he was not a good guy.

KYLE came on this forum with his arrogant self and thought who the hell he was.  Well I guess we all know who and what he is.  He is a coward in my book.

THE GOOD GUYS:  ALL THE MONKEYS WHO ARE STILL HERE SEEKING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

THE BAD GUYS:  ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BANNED FOR BASHING KLAASEND AND RED AND TRYING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH.

THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: teacat on October 11, 2009, 10:15:33 AM
Ok ya'll, it's been a while since I last delurked (I once had my head pinched off by Kyle, if you remember) and I have a few questions, if someone wouldn't mind catching me up.

1. What happened with a.)CapsLockWizard and b.)Destiny? Was he/she (Caps) a shill trying to divert attention the whole time with the misspellings and cryptic messages and pond/apt searches that had us all in circles? Was Destiny a GoodGuy? I ask this because I had the impression he/she was really good and then just dropped off the radar. And I thought Caps was a GoodGuy and he/she too dropped from sight. BleachedBlack is another! There really are so many! LoRain I figured out was just a goof, unless that too has proved incorrect.

2. Can someone (and I know this is alot to ask) post a list of the current GoodGuys and BadGuys, because I have been reading thru MONTHS of posts and am really lost. Was the Persistence also named Endeavor? Were the guys mapping the oceanfloor really there for a future pipeline laying and only did this cage dive as a self-interested scheme? I really thought Kyle was a GoodGuy but now I can't figure out if all of this has been one big hoax.
 Kyle wrote in Nov 2008:
Quote
"To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions:

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence.

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. "
   

Well, was that a lie?

3. Janet, you're one trooper! I cannot believe how long you have stuck this out. I had to back away a year ago because the whole thing was consuming my every waking moment.
 

CAPLOCKWIZARD was a diversion and he was not a good guy.

KYLE came on this forum with his arrogant self and thought who the hell he was.  Well I guess we all know who and what he is.  He is a coward in my book.

THE GOOD GUYS:  ALL THE MONKEYS WHO ARE STILL HERE SEEKING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

THE BAD GUYS:  ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BANNED FOR BASHING KLAASEND AND RED AND TRYING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH.

THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION.


Thank you San.

As for your take on Kyle, that is the impression I am left with as well. I see from reading back to last winter, he did live up to his statement that that was his last post. Run away, Kyle. Fling **** and run away.

Is there a list of banned posters that I can see.....? I did see where Peaches died..... RIP, Peaches.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: teacat on October 11, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
More Questions:

Is TES on the GoodGuy list?

Who all, involved in the dive search is good? Who was a bad player?

I do realize that TES was not the ones who did that cage dive but I thought there was a connection there.

How did Kyle get involved? Was he an employee of L. Shaeffer? When I read back in , I Think, Dec 07 that there was going to be a dive, etc, they had targets etc, I really thought "hooray!!! the guys in the White Hats at long last!!!!!"

Were they ALL nothing more than opportunists? Did any of them have a relationship with the Holloway Family prior to Natalee's disappearance?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 11, 2009, 10:31:16 AM
Ok ya'll, it's been a while since I last delurked (I once had my head pinched off by Kyle, if you remember) and I have a few questions, if someone wouldn't mind catching me up.

1. What happened with a.)CapsLockWizard and b.)Destiny? Was he/she (Caps) a shill trying to divert attention the whole time with the misspellings and cryptic messages and pond/apt searches that had us all in circles? Was Destiny a GoodGuy? I ask this because I had the impression he/she was really good and then just dropped off the radar. And I thought Caps was a GoodGuy and he/she too dropped from sight. BleachedBlack is another! There really are so many! LoRain I figured out was just a goof, unless that too has proved incorrect.

2. Can someone (and I know this is alot to ask) post a list of the current GoodGuys and BadGuys, because I have been reading thru MONTHS of posts and am really lost. Was the Persistence also named Endeavor? Were the guys mapping the oceanfloor really there for a future pipeline laying and only did this cage dive as a self-interested scheme? I really thought Kyle was a GoodGuy but now I can't figure out if all of this has been one big hoax.
 Kyle wrote in Nov 2008:
Quote
"To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions:

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence.

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. "
   

Well, was that a lie?

3. Janet, you're one trooper! I cannot believe how long you have stuck this out. I had to back away a year ago because the whole thing was consuming my every waking moment.
 

CAPLOCKWIZARD was a diversion and he was not a good guy.

KYLE came on this forum with his arrogant self and thought who the hell he was.  Well I guess we all know who and what he is.  He is a coward in my book.

THE GOOD GUYS:  ALL THE MONKEYS WHO ARE STILL HERE SEEKING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

THE BAD GUYS:  ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BANNED FOR BASHING KLAASEND AND RED AND TRYING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH.

THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION.


Thank you San.

As for your take on Kyle, that is the impression I am left with as well. I see from reading back to last winter, he did live up to his statement that that was his last post. Run away, Kyle. Fling **** and run away.

Is there a list of banned posters that I can see.....? I did see where Peaches died..... RIP, Peaches.

There is not a list of banned posters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: teacat on October 11, 2009, 10:37:41 AM
And where did lala'smom go?
ldslou?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: teacat on October 11, 2009, 10:38:44 AM
Ok ya'll, it's been a while since I last delurked (I once had my head pinched off by Kyle, if you remember) and I have a few questions, if someone wouldn't mind catching me up.

1. What happened with a.)CapsLockWizard and b.)Destiny? Was he/she (Caps) a shill trying to divert attention the whole time with the misspellings and cryptic messages and pond/apt searches that had us all in circles? Was Destiny a GoodGuy? I ask this because I had the impression he/she was really good and then just dropped off the radar. And I thought Caps was a GoodGuy and he/she too dropped from sight. BleachedBlack is another! There really are so many! LoRain I figured out was just a goof, unless that too has proved incorrect.

2. Can someone (and I know this is alot to ask) post a list of the current GoodGuys and BadGuys, because I have been reading thru MONTHS of posts and am really lost. Was the Persistence also named Endeavor? Were the guys mapping the oceanfloor really there for a future pipeline laying and only did this cage dive as a self-interested scheme? I really thought Kyle was a GoodGuy but now I can't figure out if all of this has been one big hoax.
 Kyle wrote in Nov 2008:
Quote
"To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions:

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence.

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. "
   

Well, was that a lie?

3. Janet, you're one trooper! I cannot believe how long you have stuck this out. I had to back away a year ago because the whole thing was consuming my every waking moment.
 

CAPLOCKWIZARD was a diversion and he was not a good guy.

KYLE came on this forum with his arrogant self and thought who the hell he was.  Well I guess we all know who and what he is.  He is a coward in my book.

THE GOOD GUYS:  ALL THE MONKEYS WHO ARE STILL HERE SEEKING JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.

THE BAD GUYS:  ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BANNED FOR BASHING KLAASEND AND RED AND TRYING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH.

THIS IS ALL JUST MY OPINION.


Thank you San.

As for your take on Kyle, that is the impression I am left with as well. I see from reading back to last winter, he did live up to his statement that that was his last post. Run away, Kyle. Fling **** and run away.

Is there a list of banned posters that I can see.....? I did see where Peaches died..... RIP, Peaches.

There is not a list of banned posters.

no.... didn't really think there would be.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Teacat - you can add yourself to the list of banned members   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/banned-1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 11, 2009, 11:21:08 AM
Teacat? Can you see them now?   ::MonkeyDevil2:: :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2009, 11:22:52 AM
I find it VERY interresting that Teacat has been to Thailand back in 2008  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/TeacatThailand.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2009, 11:23:22 AM
Teacat? Can you see them now?   ::MonkeyDevil2:: :smt040

CBB, roflmao  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 11, 2009, 11:24:45 AM
Teacat - you can add yourself to the list of banned members   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/banned-1.gif)

Whoa!   Klaas still has it.   ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 11, 2009, 11:26:07 AM
Teacat? Can you see them now?   ::MonkeyDevil2:: :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2009, 11:30:05 AM
Teacat? Can you see them now?   ::MonkeyDevil2:: :smt040

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 11, 2009, 11:32:22 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!! ::MonkeyDance::

I have a question. Does anybody ever accidently click the Natalee archives when coming here? I see the last poster as absolut and know I've done it again!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas may not remember this, but I distinctly remember one time  (a long time ago) asking her where this "absolut" poster came from...............   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Her reply was classic Klaas: "What are you talking about?"   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I'm sure I inspired such confidence as a new mod.......     ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2009, 11:33:39 AM
Teacat - you can add yourself to the list of banned members   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/banned-1.gif)

Whoa!   Klaas still has it.   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Yes she does!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2009, 11:43:27 AM


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Who is Teacat?

Does she/he post under another Nic at GM or C&G?

How did San and Klaas clue in so quick?

I checked her profile and only one post since Kermit's exposure of Kyle Kingman's own words.

Good Morning All.

Janet
8:45 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Uncovering the persistence - american traitors roles.....
Key to getting Justice for Natalee....
Louis S.
John S.
Tim T.
Kyle........Man up dude.....
I hope our FBI has got the goods on them...
Time will tell........

It is so sad though that kyle won't do the right thing for Justice......



Hi billb

My sentiments exactly!

Janet

++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - THE CATALYST

It is my prayer that Kyle Kingman will stand with the family in a potential lawsuit again John Silvetti and ... do the right thing and ... relate what he observed that deeply concerned him regarding the trap/cage while he was on board the Persistence.  At that time he could release to the court his copy of the entire ROV footage.

This young man original intentions were honorable in his attempt to do right by the family when he approached the Natalee's Freebirds for assistance in exposing the John Silvetti/Tim Trahan betrayal.  However ... at some point in time ... Kyle was pursuaded to flip flop and go in a direction that deemed to be personally beneficial.  In other words ... he made the choice to sell out Natalee Holloway and her family for short-term benefits.

I believe with all my heart ... when Kyle's spiritual foundation is considered ... a spiritual foundation which reflects mine ... that the time will come when he will be compelled to genuinely seek forgiveness from God.  He will bow and reach up.  Then Kyle will do what needs to be done in an attempt to make right his wrongdoing despite the related  consequences.  Then there is the added hope that he will receive the forgiveness of those who were wronged ... Natalee Holloway's family.  When I consider the family ... I believe that forgiveness will be afforded.  Nevertheless ... Kyle will have been redeemed.

The precident was set 2000 years ago.

Janet

++++++

1 John 1:9
IF
we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #702 on: November 23, 2008, 11:21:25 AM »


To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions: 

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence. 

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. 

I support freedom of speech and respect opinion, but not where the facts do not support it.  This is borderline libel and similar to saying the Apollo moon landing was staged.  I've worked along side both Louis and John (Silvetti is NOT red shirt lol).  They both sacrificed a lot personally to conduct this search.  Perfect people they are not.  However, calling them traitors is past opinion.  Do not let your emotions interfere with what you know to be true regarding this case.  

3rd - All visitors on board the Persitence signed in.  Their names were recorded in the Ships log. I do not have this, nor do I have the time or access to track it down.  If it were relevant to the case it has been forwarded to the FBI.  Don't you think the FBI knows exactly who was on that boat and if it were important?  My job had nothing to do with logging visitors, as I am not a secretary.  The notes I kept were for my own records and pertained mainly to successfully conducting a very technically demanding search.

I am not reluctant to help where I am able, but I am reluctant to naming friends and coworkers names involved in the search when their pictures get posted on the net.  Do you know how creepy that is?  It's been almost a year since the search began.  With the exception of a notable few, I can't remember the names of all who came on board.  Even their faces are fading in my mind. 

My prayers and blessings go out to all those who have worked tirelessly on this case and to the Holloway-Twitty family.  YOU are a major reason why this case is still alive.  I pray, hope, and trust that this case will be solved and justice carried out here on Earth in the near future.  Keep hope alive.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554258;topicseen#msg554258


++++++++


Kyle ... whether or not John Silvetti benefited from his betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family ... in your own words you in June, 2008 you implied that John Silvetti was a traitor to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway and the cause of a measure of closure for her family.

Kyle ... if you were my own son ... the challenging our your discrepancies ... the challenging of your backtracking ...  would not differ.

Abetting wrongdoing by remaining silent would imply that somehow you are above the moral and legal boundaries established by a civilized society for your well being and the well being of others.  Abetting through silence would be the catalyst which would allow you permission to continue along the path of wrongdoing ... the path of destruction.

Janet
______


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - 06/13/08:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  We had an American diver with us on the Dec 30th dive. We were encouraged to do so and invited by the Arubans. I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08:  He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman - 06/29/08:  I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
Kyle ... in your own words you revealed that you, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaefer were traitors.  You revealed that you all had the ability to betray.  Think about it.  There was Natalee Holloway and Natalee's family.  Then there was John Silvetti ... John Silvetti who would definitely not want the ROV footage released to the Networks ... the ROV footage that implies that he may have affording the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 11, 2009, 06:30:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62187.php

Google translation:

Large-scale smuggling gold from the Antilles and Aruba

September 9, 2009, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

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Agents searching the home of Carlos Mercera in Seroe Pela in relation to the large-scale investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in Europe.

ORANGE CITY - The sons of Anthony and Carlos Mercera UPB-commissioner and former Minister Carlos Marcera Aruba and Bonaire were yesterday arrested in connection with a major investigation into the laundering of drug money and gold smuggling in the ABC islands and in some European countries, including the Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Justice is the research also encountered a large scale smuggling of gold from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

On Aruba, four searches made including the home of Carlos Marcera in Seroe Pela. These are documents, vehicles and gold were seized. On Bonaire were eighteen searches, namely, in eight homes, four government agencies and six companies. In total there were two arrests among them is Anthony Marcera. On Curaçao has been searched two houses and one commercial building was searched. There is hereby made an arrest, William Wijngaarde.

In those European countries took place two p.m. searches where two people were arrested. Besides the arrests that took place, several firearms, vehicles, vessels, aircraft, precious goods, a large amount of money and a quantity of gold seized.

Gold Smuggling

During the laundering investigation include views on widespread smuggling of gold received from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. These gold smuggling is related to an arrest on March 27 this year in the United States took place. While the arrested person is suspected of including substantial sums of money from the major drug trafficking (cocaine from Colombia). About accounts managed by that person in the U.S. in a short time more than eight billion U.S. dollars went.

The investigation is in progress and will not be limited to the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and Europe. Several arrests and searches are not excluded, says the prosecution of Curaçao.

 
Connection???

CNN) -- Texas billionaire Allen Stanford was taken into custody Thursday night on a fraud-related charge in Stafford, Virginia, the FBI said.

Allen Stanford, right, poses with his Antigua cricket team in November 2008.
 FBI Supervisory Special Agent M.A. Myers would not provide further details on Stanford's arrest, but his attorney, Dick DeGuerin, told CNN that Stanford had surrendered to agents.

Stanford, accused of a $9.2 billion fraud by U.S. regulators, denied all wrongdoing in a tearful interview in April during which he threatened to punch his questioner in the mouth.

"I would die and go to hell if it's a Ponzi scheme," Stanford, who was ranked at No. 205 in Forbes magazine's list of 400 richest Americans with assets of more than $2 billion, told ABC News.

The assets of Stanford and his financial groups, based in Antigua and the Caribbean, are frozen while the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigates allegations he ran "a massive Ponzi scheme," a pyramid scheme in which new investors' money is stolen to pay profits to existing clients.

During his ABC interview, Stanford complained that he had to fly commercial airlines after the federal government confiscated his six private jets.

"They make you take your shoes off and everything," he said. "It's terrible."

Stanford threatened to punch the interviewer when he was questioned about reported links to alleged money laundering for a Mexican drug cartel, charges he vehemently denied with the threat before backing down.

Before his arrest, Stanford faced an array of civil claims. He and his wife owe back taxes, penalties and interest of at least $226.5 million, the IRS said in court documents filed in Dallas, Texas, last March.

The final total could be even higher because the Stanfords have not filed their income tax return for 2007. The IRS says they owe $110 million in back taxes, $55.8 million in penalties and $60.7 million in interest for the 1999 through 2003 tax years.

The Securities and Exchange Commission has said that Stanford was behind "a fraud of shocking magnitude." FBI agents served Stanford with SEC papers accusing him and three of his companies of orchestrating a $9.2 billion investment fraud scheme.

With the filing, the IRS joins thousands of other creditors in the case who are seeking a crack at Stanford's remaining assets.

In February Antiguan and Barbudan regulators took control of Stanford's financial institutions on the twin-island nation, a day after federal agents served the Texas businessman with papers accusing him of running an investment fraud scheme.

In a complaint filed in February in federal court in Dallas, Texas, the Securities and Exchange Commission accused Stanford International Bank of using a network of financial advisers to sell about $8 billion of "certificates of deposit" to investors.

The bank boasted it had a unique investment strategy that had allowed it to reap double-digit returns on its investments for the previous 15 years, the SEC said.

The civil complaint alleged an additional scheme relating to $1.2 billion in sales.

Stanford's bank claimed its network had $51 billion in deposits and assets under management or advisement, with more than 70,000 clients in 140 countries.

The allegations against Stanford and his companies sparked runs on Stanford banks in Antigua and in Venezuela, where the government took over the local subsidiary in February after it recorded "extraordinary" withdrawals, according to Venezuela's superintendent of banks.

The SEC complaint also named James Davis, SIB's chief financial officer; Laura Pendergest-Holt, chief investment officer of Stanford Financial Group; and investment adviser Stanford Capital Management.

Stanford, who sponsored a cricket team and series of matches in Antigua, had his ties to the sport severed earlier this year when the England and Wales Cricket Board announced it would not play any further Stanford Twenty20 matches in Antigua as well as shelving plans for the Quadrangular Twenty20 events.

Under the deal struck between the ECB and financier Stanford last summer, England were due to play four further $20 million matches in the Caribbean, while the proposed Quadrangular events were scheduled to take place annually from 2009 to 2011, with each edition worth around $9 million.


http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/stanford.fraud.charge/index.html

Interesting!  Thanks hotping!   ::MonkeyCool::

Current news on Allen Stanford:


Judge allows Stanford and others to seek defence fees

 
Published on Saturday, October 10, 2009 Email To Friend    Print Version

By Anna Driver

HOUSTON, USA (Reuters) -- Financier Allen Stanford and other executives who face charges related to an alleged $7 billion fraud may file claims for defence funds under a directors' and officers' insurance policy, a federal judge said on Friday.

Stanford has had his assets frozen since civil charges were filed against him in February. He said he has no money to pay his lawyers, and is currently represented by court-appointed lawyers.

(http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news/_files/Image/7-15-09/stanford2.jpg)Allen Stanford.
Bloomberg photo
A number of former Stanford executives, including former Chief Investment Officer Laura Pendergest-Holt, have filed claims against a policy issued by Lloyd's of London.

Lloyd's initially agreed to reimburse some legal expenses for Pendergest-Holt, but Ralph Janvey, the receiver in the case, argued proceeds are assets of the Stanford estate and should be set aside for investors.

Janvey had threatened to hold Lloyd's in contempt of court if they made payments to the executives, court records show.

"Today the court holds only that its prior orders do not bar Lloyd's from disbursing policy proceeds to fund directors' and officers' defense costs in accordance with the D&O polices' terms and conditions," US District Judge David Godbey said in a nine-page order.

Jeffrey Tillotson, a lawyer for Pendergest-Holt, said he was very pleased with Godbey's decision.

"Our client is entitled to a defense and now she will have the resources to pay for one," Tillotson said, adding that his client, who also had her assets frozen, has been living off "kindness, friends and family."

Godbey also said he would have authorized payment of the defense fees even if the insurance proceeds were part of the Stanford estate.

A representative for Janvey declined to comment on the ruling.

Still, there is no guarantee of coverage. Lloyd's said in a September court filing that claims resulting from "money laundering and from dishonest, fraudulent, or criminal acts" are excluded from coverage.

Stanford and Pendergest-Holt have both pleaded not guilty to the charges related to what prosecutors labeled a massive Ponzi scheme tied to the firm's offshore bank in Antigua.
 
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-19262--14-14--.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2009, 09:12:18 PM
Kyle ... in your own words you revealed that you, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaefer were traitors.  You revealed that you all had the ability to betray.  Think about it.  There was Natalee Holloway and Natalee's family.  Then there was John Silvetti ... John Silvetti who would definitely not want the ROV footage released to the Networks ... the ROV footage that implies that he may have affording the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

Janet...I'm with you...
What happened?
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
.......We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.
kyle knew they had the goods on the arubans and were just this close to exposing the coverup and where Natalee was....
What changed?   Finding that out is key to exposing the ROV videos.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 11, 2009, 09:19:29 PM
Teacat? Can you see them now?   ::MonkeyDevil2:: :smt040

CBB, roflmao  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I spit my tea all over the place  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 11, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Kyle ... in your own words you revealed that you, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaefer were traitors.  You revealed that you all had the ability to betray.  Think about it.  There was Natalee Holloway and Natalee's family.  Then there was John Silvetti ... John Silvetti who would definitely not want the ROV footage released to the Networks ... the ROV footage that implies that he may have affording the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

Janet...I'm with you...
What happened?
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
.......We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.
kyle knew they had the goods on the arubans and were just this close to exposing the coverup and where Natalee was....
What changed?   Finding that out is key to exposing the ROV videos.....

And too think he named his daughter Natalee(If true)is such a disgrace in my opinion!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Kyle ... in your own words you revealed that you, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaefer were traitors.  You revealed that you all had the ability to betray.  Think about it.  There was Natalee Holloway and Natalee's family.  Then there was John Silvetti ... John Silvetti who would definitely not want the ROV footage released to the Networks ... the ROV footage that implies that he may have affording the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

++++++


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

Janet...I'm with you...
What happened?
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
.......We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.
kyle knew they had the goods on the arubans and were just this close to exposing the coverup and where Natalee was....
What changed?   Finding that out is key to exposing the ROV videos.....

And too think he named his daughter Natalee(If true)is such a disgrace in my opinion!
I agree KTF!
What an egomaniac hypocrite(if true.. ::MonkeyCool::)...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 11, 2009, 10:18:58 PM
The one thing i think these American Traitors underestimated was,the determination of a group of Monkey's who's sole goal is JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!They didn't think we monkey's had the fortitude!Guess what Persistence crew...How wrong you were,how wrong indeed!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2009, 12:33:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 12, 2009, 09:49:38 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 10:49:17 AM

Kyle ... in your own words you revealed that you, Tim Trahan and Louis Shaefer were traitors.  You revealed that you all had the ability to betray.  Think about it.  There was Natalee Holloway and Natalee's family.  Then there was John Silvetti ... John Silvetti who would definitely not want the ROV footage released to the Networks ... the ROV footage that implies that he may have affording the Aruban enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.  We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

Janet...I'm with you...

What happened?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman
.......We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.
kyle knew they had the goods on the arubans and were just this close to exposing the coverup and where Natalee was....
What changed?   Finding that out is key to exposing the ROV videos.....

I do not know billb but ... it is known that Beth Holloway was never contacted.

Could it be that it was at this point that John Silvetti got wind that the contents of the trap which he afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy was about to be exposed and ... damaged control was where it was at.  I do not have a clue about Tim Trahan but ... Kyle Kingman did benefit from John Silvetti through career opportunities that summer.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
   
Kyle Kingman:
  Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer.[/color] Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence ...  

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net


Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 02:53:44 PM »


According to Jen in an email to Klaas ...

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

Entire Email:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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KYLE KINGMAN - CAREER OPPORTUNITIES?

SUMMER, 2008

The Travels and Ponderings of Kyle Kingman

Saturday, August 2, 2008
Through Skøyen Station - Norway, 12-July 2008


On the 7th of July 2008, I flew from Newark to Copenhagen, Denmark. After a 7 ½ hr flight from Newark, I was relieved to land in Denmark. I think the Copenhagen airport was actually a shopping mall disguised as an airport.

<snipped>

The North Sea is a cold, volatile beast. One moment it is tranquil and picturesque, while the next it is an explosive, churning, and bone-chilling frenzy brimming with white caps. Last night, a long low-profile work vessel was operating within a mile of our vessel.

The offshore project manager, John told me that recently 18 people drowned on that same boat when it sank.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/through-skyen-station-norway-12-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 2, 2008
- Ulsteinvik to Cairo- 24-July
2345 hrs, Thursday July 24th – Cairo, Egypt


It’s 0200 hrs local time. Walking off the plane… “At least it’s not as hot as UAE”, I think to myself. “Please God; let my driver be waiting for me”. I was contacted about 12 hours earlier in Norway by a Dutch agent who needed me in Cairo ASAP and they were not afraid to pay a high price to get me here. All I know is there was to be a driver waiting for me. I don’t know who the client is, what the job is, what I’m doing in Egypt, or if I will even be staying in Egypt.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/2008/08/ulsteinvik-to-cairo-24-july.html
http://kylekingman.blogspot.com/


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Sorry for dissapearing for so long. I've been traveling quite a bit to a few places, then to Norway, and am now in Cairo for about 5 weeks. I'll be headed to Lafayette when I get done in Egypt and will be in close contact with John then. I'll provide an update when I'm able. I hope you're all well.

Kermit @ scaredmonkeys.net


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Another reason that I contend that Range Rover "confession" was a hoax collaborated by Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem, Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban "powers that be" to distract from the trap/cage ... was derived from Kyle Kingman's own words.

Kyle may not have contacted Beth Holloway but ... Peter Devries was definitely in the know.

Think about it.  Considering he had knowledge ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor.  Instead ... a fifth "secret" recording was hastily put together in January, 2008 with the knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Janet
________

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I will soon propose a meeting with Beth and other family members, myself, Tim Trahan, Peter DeVries, and whomever else necessary to go over the ROV video, contents, and case status.

Kyle Kingman:  I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics.  DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php










Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 12, 2009, 11:30:12 AM
Janet - Peter wasn't contacted by Kyle until approx a month after the last Range Rover recording.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 12, 2009, 11:31:56 AM
Janet - Peter wasn't contacted by Kyle until approx a month after the last Range Rover recording.

Those recordings were not made until after Joran returned to the Netherlands following his Nov 21 2007 re-arrest.  He stayed in Aruba until early January 2008.

Patrick's recordings were dated the second week of January.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Kermit on October 12, 2009, 02:00:06 PM
Kyle fly back to the U.S. week of Feb 14th to meet with producers in an attempt sell the ROV images.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2009, 02:05:13 PM
Kyle fly back to the U.S. week of Feb 14th to meet with producers in an attempt sell the ROV images.
kyle was upset that the arubans dove 7 Jan and did not bring the contents of the cage recovery efforts onboard the persistence...
the week of 14 Feb kyle is trying to sell the ROV images to producers...
What changed kyle's mind between 7 Jan and 14 Feb?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
The fifth and final "car trip" to record Joran van der Sloot "confession"  was made on January 29, 2008 with the full knowledge of the Aruban "powers that be".

Kyle Kingman's own words state that Peter Devries was aware of the ROV footage in February, 2008.  Kyle shares that there were negotiations taking place in February, 2008.

When Peter Devries was doing the talk show circuit in February, 2008 ... he had full knowledge that Joran van der Sloot's "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's remains did not reflect the involvement of a cage/trap.  In other words ... Devries was abetting the enemy when he was negating the implication that Natalee's remains were retrieved by the Aruban divers.

Think about it.  For almost two years this crime reporter has kept quiet about the story ... a huge story ... that the ability to expose the finale to the Aruban coverup which has prevented justice from prevail.  Not a peep.  He shared nothing with Beth Holloway.

+++++++


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:12:59 PM
I contend that the Range Rover recording conforms to the Aruban  coverup agenda perfectly.  It negates the trap/cage as well as ... the involvement of Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers.  The recording implies that Joran alone would take the fall while being assured that he will not be held accountable.

Janet

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


THE KALPOES

Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen!


The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

Edit: Added omission in 1st sentence, per Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
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First line of last post ...

I contend that the Range Rover recording conforms to the Aruban ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:16:14 PM
The only segment of the Range Rover recordings regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession" that reflects the truth is the segment that Joran refers to Natalee's uncontrollable shaking.

In the initial stages of the investigation Natalee's mother and stepfather were questioned by Aruban LE regarding the issues of seizures.  The implication appears to be that during interrogations Joran shared with authorities circumstances encompassing the actual demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:17:22 PM
THE PAYPHONE

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
… This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me."


On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  ,,, And moreover, the pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328565,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:28:44 PM
BOTTOM LINE:

Considering he had knowledge since February, 2008 ... why has Peter Devries not been in the lead exposing what appears to be Natalee Holloway remains inside the trap/cage ... remains that were "discovered" by the Persistent endeavor?  Why did this investigative reporter not inform Beth Holloway?

++++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  ... DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.

Kermit - scaredmonkeys.net



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2009, 02:32:54 PM
With the taped Rover confession of urine coming out 1st week of Feb 2008 and kyle trying to sell Peter DV and other producers the ROV videos/images the week of the 14th, it seems to me that that a crime reporter of peter's caliber could certainly put  together a very compelling story that urine disposed of Natalee with the help of duary and the cage was where she was disposed....
Why hasn't this been pursued by Peter and/others the demand Justice for Natalee?
I don't get it.....Had the two events been tied together back in Feb 2008, the coverup would have been exposed and Natalee would most likely be home.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2009, 02:46:24 PM
If Peter Devries was aware of the trap/cage contents,why would he not inform Beth Holloway?I believe that is a very good point Janet brings up..JMOO.I trust no one from Aruba to the Netherlands!Period....UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 02:54:38 PM
billb

The Range Rover "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body and the "cage/trap" disposal do not equate.  Following Joran van der Sloots departure for home ... logic dictates that "Daury" did not break into the Fisherman's Hut ... carry a 300 lb to his boat ... place Natalee's body within ... locate a tarp to cover her body ... locate rocks to weight down the trap ... take her out to sea and ... then makes his way to Joran's home to discuss the situation.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
billb

The Range Rover "confession" regarding the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body and the "cage/trap" disposal do not equate.  Following Joran van der Sloots departure for home ... logic dictates that "Daury" did not break into the Fisherman's Hut ... carry a 300 lb to his boat ... place Natalee's body within ... locate a tarp to cover her body ... locate rocks to weight down the trap ... take her out to sea and ... then makes his way to Joran's home to discuss the situation.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.
 
Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

Janet,
I agree completely.
What I'm saying is that the two events tied together would go a long way in getting aruba/persistence effots out there in the public domain....
urine says Natalee was shaking uncontrollably so he disposed of her (either alive or dead) in the water and  the cage discovery presents the where she was disposed. I know the two when broken down can't be as simple as urine confesses, but it would generate international attention to the case and would put aruba and persistence efforts in the spotlight.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
If Peter Devries was aware of the trap/cage contents,why would he not inform Beth Holloway?I believe that is a very good point Janet brings up..JMOO.I trust no one from Aruba to the Netherlands!Period....UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED!! ::MonkeyCool::

According to Private Eye ... his sister was privy to the screen shoots that were released to the FBI ... Dave Holloway and ... the internet.  However ... the issue is the ROV FOOTAGE.

If Peter Devries was aware of the ROV FOOTAGE two week following his interview with Beth Holloway and ... did not inform Natalee's mother of what Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan were attempting to do with that ROV FOOTAGE ... I can only assume his reasoning would be that this ROV FOOTAGE would negate the Range Rover "confession" and ... negate his words implying that Joran gave a full confession and that the case has been solved.

Janet

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THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008


http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
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was private to sb was privy to


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 03:40:40 PM
billb

My DIL and I completed on this Canadian Thanksgiving morning ... the first draft of a huge document encompassing the Persistence betrayal.  One segment of this documentation is the perceived distractions from the contents of the trap/cage that were recovered by the Arubans:

1.  The False Lead
2.  The Range Rover Confession.
3.  Two Pond Searches (2007/2009)
4.  The Ongoing Searches (2008/2009)

In other words ... EVERYTHING I have already shared with the forum.  No surprises.

Thankfully ... there will be assistance in finalizing this huge endeavor.  I am soooo Persistence out.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 03:45:27 PM
A Thanksgiving gathering was at my home yesterday for my side of the family and ... today a gathering is taking place at the home of my daughter for hubby's side of the family.

Following a turkey, stuffing and cranberry toasted sandwich I just had for lunch ... I have made that decision that I never want to eat turkey again.  I am tukeyed out!

I hope sister-in-laws bring lots of sushi rolls.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day all.

Janet
12:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
SELF-EDIT

was private to sb was privy to

Thanks 2NJ

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2009, 06:16:14 PM
I don't believe that Joran's statements to Patrick rule out any means of disposal.

As in any confession, the WHOLE truth was not told. 

I have no idea what Peter DeVries has shared with Beth other than what has been made public, and until Beth gives an indication that she doesn't believe Patrick and Peter were sincere in their efforts; I believe they were.  Think about it, Peter DeVries has been a well respected Investigative Crime Reporter for over thirty years.  The perpetrators of the crimes against Natalee may have clout in (corrupt as HELL) Aruba, but I don't believe there is ANYTHING that would have convinced Peter DeVries to lower himself to the level of conspiring with them and the Aruban authorities to deceive Natalee's family; and/or prevent Justice for Natalee from being served.

Just my opinion.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_63684.php

Google translation:


Elderly killed in home


October 12, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)

 
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/12-aruba-vrouw-vermoord-sav.gif)

The lifeless body of Dorothy Adelle Hassell is brought to the ambulance.

ORANGE CITY - The 73-year-old Dorothy Adelle Hassell was last Saturday, about seven hours at night, found dead in her home to Savaneta. The lone elderly was in the living room with various injuries. It is said that her grandson discovered the body. The murder of elderly woman has significant unsettled, especially among the locals.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) will be given the battered state of the victim was found of a violent crime, but will, as long as no arrests have been made, yet speak of murder or manslaughter. Prosecutor says that no suspects. Soon section performed on the body of Hassell. The research is conducted by a combined team of police detectives, police and technical supervisors, under the coordination of the Office in San Nicolas. Anyone who thinks anything to have seen or heard near the house, between four hours last Saturday afternoon and seven hours at night, is asked to contact the detective of San Nicolas at 584-5000, or message to leave on the tiplijn, 11,141.

Shock
Savaneta is a neighborhood where almost everyone knows each other and Dorothy "Dotty" Hassell was no stranger. So she bought her tickets in the lottery regularly shop a little further next supermarket Kong Fui and was active in the church of Sagrado Curazon. Recently departed her house the procession to the fiftieth anniversary of the church to celebrate. The neighborhood is shocked at her death, especially because of Hassell's house right opposite the residence of Governor Fredis Refunjol secure state. Residents wonder: "How can it be that the guard of the house of the governor had not noticed. He could still hear her screaming. "Soundings of the Office of the Governor shows that only the guard realized that something was going on across the main road when police and ambulance had arrived. It was in the neighborhood knows that Hassell, like many of the elderly in Savaneta days and the rest of the island, lived alone at home. "I recently asked her why she was not that big house to a smaller place, or Maristella" said Ana Maria Rasmijn (60). "But she said she nou once accustomed to that house."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 12, 2009, 06:42:58 PM
I thought for sure this thread would have been locked by the time I got home from work.  I guess I will help it along a little. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 12, 2009, 06:45:39 PM
A Thanksgiving gathering was at my home yesterday for my side of the family and ... today a gathering is taking place at the home of my daughter for hubby's side of the family.

Following a turkey, stuffing and cranberry toasted sandwich I just had for lunch ... I have made that decision that I never want to eat turkey again.  I am tukeyed out!

I hope sister-in-laws bring lots of sushi rolls.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day all.

Janet
12:45 PM PT


Happy Thanksgiving Janet.


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Truth and Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
Post by: San on October 12, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
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Please move to NCD #825

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6082.0