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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: Nut44x4 on August 26, 2009, 06:35:33 PM



Title: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 26, 2009, 06:35:33 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 02:00:57 AM
Goodnight all!

Justice for Lindsey & Haleigh!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 02:04:02 AM
Goodnight all!

Justice for Lindsey & Haleigh!

thank you KLAASEND goodnight ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:04:03 AM
 Janet,
the liver
:pukel:
the rest sounds great!
good night.
 :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:05:59 AM
Nuts I love that pic you posted. What a beautiful little girl.

Janet if anyone wishes to ever serve me liver I will send it right over to you. Yuck!

Lets stop for a moment and ask something which is my favorite all time question,... why?!

Why was LE sent over to this house, to a person who was activily searching for this girl? Why? Why? Why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 02:06:01 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 02:06:05 AM
Goodnight all!

Justice for Lindsey & Haleigh!


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:07:49 AM
Janet,
the liver
:pukel:
the rest sounds great!
good night.
 :smt015

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  :pukel: is right!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 02:11:40 AM
Nuts I love that pic you posted. What a beautiful little girl.

Janet if anyone wishes to ever serve me liver I will send it right over to you. Yuck!

Lets stop for a moment and ask something which is my favorite all time question,... why?!

Why was LE sent over to this house, to a person who was activily searching for this girl? Why? Why? Why?
::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::
Thank you Tracygirl. Three cheers for you. WHY??? This cant be a just normal search. They have never ever looked at leads this hard the whole case. This house was singled out. there has to be evedence of something to make them so sure of themselfs to get a warrent with that many police and do what they did. I can set the people strait if I had the truth. Then I could put out the wildfire.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:15:19 AM
I am logging off, time for beddy bye. Before I leave I need to say this...I am always skeptical of certain things, one is a person who does not wish for me to look somewhere, research something or think a certain something... or a person who points too many fingers at a certain place when that place is not making much sense. I know who I am thinking of, I wonder if anyone else is thinking in this same direction tonight? I never did trust this person, the first time I read something she wrote I was thinking she/he was up to no good. If you are responsible for the wild goose chase it seems le was doing this weekend, hmmm wonder why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 02:17:20 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:18:27 AM
Nuts I love that pic you posted. What a beautiful little girl.

Janet if anyone wishes to ever serve me liver I will send it right over to you. Yuck!

Lets stop for a moment and ask something which is my favorite all time question,... why?!

Why was LE sent over to this house, to a person who was activily searching for this girl? Why? Why? Why?
::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::
Thank you Tracygirl. Three cheers for you. WHY??? This cant be a just normal search. They have never ever looked at leads this hard the whole case. This house was singled out. there has to be evedence of something to make them so sure of themselfs to get a warrent with that many police and do what they did. I can set the people strait if I had the truth. Then I could put out the wildfire.

I doubt the "clue" they got was real, just probably something so serious they needed to search. Now if only the FBI could turn the tables on the person(s) who reported the "clue" and do a little searching, they may find something, who knows!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 02:18:36 AM
I am logging off, time for beddy bye. Before I leave I need to say this...I am always skeptical of certain things, one is a person who does not wish for me to look somewhere, research something or think a certain something... or a person who points too many fingers at a certain place when that place is not making much sense. I know who I am thinking of, I wonder if anyone else is thinking in this same direction tonight? I never did trust this person, the first time I read something she wrote I was thinking she/he was up to no good. If you are responsible for the wild goose chase it seems le was doing this weekend, hmmm wonder why?

Thank you Tracygirl, I see your point.  Goodnight and see ya later!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 02:22:52 AM
Nuts I love that pic you posted. What a beautiful little girl.

Janet if anyone wishes to ever serve me liver I will send it right over to you. Yuck!

Lets stop for a moment and ask something which is my favorite all time question,... why?!

Why was LE sent over to this house, to a person who was activily searching for this girl? Why? Why? Why?

Tracygirl

Growing up ... my British Mom and Dad forced my brothers and I to eat at least a little piece of calves liver on "liver night" which happened every two weeks.  We were told over and over again ... liver contained iron and ... iron was a good thing.  Gradually ... I learned to enjoy liver and ... then at the age of 18 years old when I married ... the liver meals were few and far between.  My Japanese hubby of 43 years ... who eats raw tuna/salmon (sushimi) as well as boiled octopus will not touch fried liver.  Over the years our three kids grumbled and made faces each time I cooked that organ meat and forced them to eat "a little piece".  Unlike my parents ... I eventually gave up.  However ... a restaurant in our town when the Union Jack proudly flies caters to the British.  Every now and again ... I treat myself to liver dinner and ... I take a walk down memory lane.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
11:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 02:25:01 AM
I am logging off, time for beddy bye. Before I leave I need to say this...I am always skeptical of certain things, one is a person who does not wish for me to look somewhere, research something or think a certain something... or a person who points too many fingers at a certain place when that place is not making much sense. I know who I am thinking of, I wonder if anyone else is thinking in this same direction tonight? I never did trust this person, the first time I read something she wrote I was thinking she/he was up to no good. If you are responsible for the wild goose chase it seems le was doing this weekend, hmmm wonder why?
You are right. I hope I am not just thinking I know what your talking about when really im just the airhead in the corner. But I really think I got it. You have calmed my nerves tonight Tracygirl. That could be the reason they were searching there. Wow could our police really be played that easily? I know I never thought of it that way. Great thought!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 02:36:37 AM
Goodnight to all great Monkeys and guests.  Hopefully, by tomorrow this will all be sorted out.

and yes for others reading here, we Monkeys love our nanners!!!!!!

Prayers for Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 02:40:40 AM
Wasn't the award amount in Lindsey's case bumped up recently? I wonder if that is the reason people are running around pointing fingers? The truth will come out sooner rather than later I suspect.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 02:45:02 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 

Thank you DD I think I needed a strait forward cyber shaking to calm me down. I will make sure that when I hear someone talking I will set them strait. Nothing found. Police had to move on a tip no matter how small or the truth in it. Nothng of sugnificance found to even say Lindsey was ever there. Ploice just covering there bases and checking every crawlspace. Thats what I will tell them. Elma is terable. I need to move someplace warmer less criminal. Anyone got any ideas? LOL Thank u dd for kicking my a@@ into shape. God knows we all need it from time to time. Sweet dreams everyone!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 02:47:53 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 

Thank you DD I think I needed a strait forward cyber shaking to calm me down. I will make sure that when I hear someone talking I will set them strait. Nothing found. Police had to move on a tip no matter how small or the truth in it. Nothing of significance found to even say Lindsey was ever there. Police just covering there bases and checking every crawlspace. Thats what I will tell them. Elma is terrible. I need to move someplace warmer less criminal. Anyone got any ideas? LOL Thank u dd for kicking my a@@ into shape. God knows we all need it from time to time. Sweet dreams everyone!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 02:48:32 AM
Thanks DD for the iformation about the bathing suit.  I have been reaserching and when I returned the pitch forks were out and there is going to be a hanging.  I hate to even bring this up with everybody ready to attack, but the floral bathing suit(pink)came up earlier.  I have no idea if any connection, but if you can bump up first thread reply #612 by Deenie on 7/2.  It states there was a search at the orv park because someone seen a small girl dressed in a pink floral bathing suit on a quad with a man around there.  Nothing came of it.  The caretaker fired is still around the area.  For what it is worth.  Please don't jump all over this guy,  but he makes me creepy(not easy).  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 02:55:08 AM
Thanks DD for the iformation about the bathing suit.  I have been reaserching and when I returned the pitch forks were out and there is going to be a hanging.  I hate to even bring this up with everybody ready to attack, but the floral bathing suit(pink)came up earlier.  I have no idea if any connection, but if you can bump up first thread reply #612 by Deenie on 7/2.  It states there was a search at the orv park because someone seen a small girl dressed in a pink floral bathing suit on a quad with a man around there.  Nothing came of it.  The caretaker fired is still around the area.  For what it is worth.  Please don't jump all over this guy,  but he makes me creepy(not easy).  shortcake 

Yes, I had remembered that info also.  I was talking to someone about it today and wondering if the same bathing suit. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:01:07 AM
Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #612 on: July 02, 2009, 10:48:26 PM »

I am so confused ..
There is so much conflicting news flying around.

Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

Why has this not been on the news .. proven false??? * not sure ..
If it is True - It is lead it is information ..

I am so perplexed. I am not jumping on a witch hunt either ..but I was trying to find any background info on the minister that said a prayer at the vigil for Lindsey.
Title is Minister and his name Wayne Watne. I have found him everywhere all over the net that he works within Fisheries and Logging and Environment.
I however cannot find him as a Minister " active " on any site for any church. Not even the Evergreen church mentioned in all the newspapers .. in Olympia. I can't find him mentioned on the staff.

He has on his face book that he is a member of Harvest Mission Ministries.
http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/page/page/6528584.htm
which is another type of ministry that travels to Mexico and Africa ((( flash backs of Sandra Cantu )) .... ahhhh  " God Bless Sandra" ... 
He is vaguely mentioned on this site ..not current info any way
I find Dead Ends with him.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862580;topicseen#msg862580


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 03:07:26 AM
Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #612 on: July 02, 2009, 10:48:26 PM »

I am so confused ..
There is so much conflicting news flying around.

Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

Why has this not been on the news .. proven false??? * not sure ..
If it is True - It is lead it is information ..

I am so perplexed. I am not jumping on a witch hunt either ..but I was trying to find any background info on the minister that said a prayer at the vigil for Lindsey.
Title is Minister and his name Wayne Watne. I have found him everywhere all over the net that he works within Fisheries and Logging and Environment.
I however cannot find him as a Minister " active " on any site for any church. Not even the Evergreen church mentioned in all the newspapers .. in Olympia. I can't find him mentioned on the staff.

He has on his face book that he is a member of Harvest Mission Ministries.
http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/page/page/6528584.htm
which is another type of ministry that travels to Mexico and Africa ((( flash backs of Sandra Cantu )) .... ahhhh  " God Bless Sandra" ... 
He is vaguely mentioned on this site ..not current info any way
I find Dead Ends with him.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862580;topicseen#msg862580

Thanks Janet, I need all the help you can give me.  I am still dumb at this, but I try.  I need to make a trip up there tomorrow and have a drink.  Good nite  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Jademoff on September 28, 2009, 03:14:01 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 

What I have heard is that the news station that released the information, had a mix up, and had said that Clothes hair and blood had all been found. So after I got home from work that night, I checked the information for myself, to find that it was nothing that was found. I think it was just a mix up, or maybe a stage of shock where people heard 'clothes, hair, and blood'.

I've been in a state of shock since this all happened.............. Kona and her family do not deserve this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:22:28 AM

Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #612 on: July 02, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
»

I am so confused ..
There is so much conflicting news flying around.

Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

Why has this not been on the news .. proven false??? * not sure ..
If it is True - It is lead it is information ..

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862580;topicseen#msg862580




 ::MonkeyShocked::

When was Lindsey witness on the back of the quad?  Who witnessed Lindsey?

Thanks

Janet

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doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »


I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665
 

shortcake
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1880 on: Today at 03:02:54 AM »


Hi DD.  I respect your knowledge and information.  I have two questions.  1. Who do you have to get permission from to answer questions about the search?  2.  You said you have a copy of the warrant, does it go into specifics about the bathing suit(like color,design,size,etc.).  That information could be very important, then again I may be on a wild goose chase.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960852#msg960852


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1901 on: Today at 04:07:23 AM
»

flower print bathing suit top and bottom

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1900


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:29:45 AM
Could it be that KONA is implying the Melissa Baum knows more than she is revealing regarding the disappearance of her daughter?

Janet

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KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #518 on: September 10, 2009, 11:57:43 PM »


I have a question ....

Why didnt MB have the Texas Equisearch join in the efforts to find LB ??

I know they offered their services for free just like HO did in the search.

I would think the more ppl to help the better it would be to find LB

 IMPO

~KONA~

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg939246#msg939246


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:47:59 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

Janet

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KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


SECOND POST AT SCARED MONKEYS

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 03:49:41 AM
Thanks DD for the iformation about the bathing suit.  I have been reaserching and when I returned the pitch forks were out and there is going to be a hanging.  I hate to even bring this up with everybody ready to attack, but the floral bathing suit(pink)came up earlier.  I have no idea if any connection, but if you can bump up first thread reply #612 by Deenie on 7/2.  It states there was a search at the orv park because someone seen a small girl dressed in a pink floral bathing suit on a quad with a man around there.  Nothing came of it.  The caretaker fired is still around the area.  For what it is worth.  Please don't jump all over this guy,  but he makes me creepy(not easy).  shortcake 

Hi Shortcake,  I thought this man who assumed the caretaker duties at the ORV park that was found to have an outstanding warrant from the Midwest and was shipped out of Montesano to the Midwest.  We did learn his name and I called back there and he had arrived and was living in town there, out on bond.

I hope I haven't confused this man with some SO. I'll call Montesano in the morning to see who the guy was they sent back there for the outstanding warrant.  No rocks please if I am wrong.  I am a 'lil old lady so weak from sitting at this 'puter I can't even get up now.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 04:13:15 AM
Hi Madibabe,

So the things your son told you about the Beehive and finding her clothes, is that now debunked?  I know it was never confirmed but could still be true.

If there was a 3rd SW served today at the Beehive it makes perfect sense that LE used a strately with the warrants.  If the whole town was centered on the properties on Foreman Rd no one would expect another warrant to be served in town.

The reason I am thinking that, and it is IMO, is Jvk who took all the great photos in McCleary, well he discovered that the Beehive had never been searched by police.  He did talk to LE, in fact an officer might have seen him taking photos and asked him what he was doing.  It was a couple of months ago so a bit hard to recall exactly.

We will see what tomorrow brings for Lindsey.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:06:51 AM

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Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 04:24:29 PM
DD,were they looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
 


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Sunshine12:
very interesting. my first instinct was a bathing suit or some type of jacket. and if it was a bathing suit they are lookin for then that just blows the whole story we were told from the beginning out of the water

Thank you for answering my question DD.Lindseys bathing suit was my first thought while reading your site.
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 28, 2009, 08:39:19 AM


Good Morning, Monkeys!

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Hello shortcake!

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 09:00:08 AM
Thanks DD for the iformation about the bathing suit.  I have been reaserching and when I returned the pitch forks were out and there is going to be a hanging.  I hate to even bring this up with everybody ready to attack, but the floral bathing suit(pink)came up earlier.  I have no idea if any connection, but if you can bump up first thread reply #612 by Deenie on 7/2.  It states there was a search at the orv park because someone seen a small girl dressed in a pink floral bathing suit on a quad with a man around there.  Nothing came of it.  The caretaker fired is still around the area.  For what it is worth.  Please don't jump all over this guy,  but he makes me creepy(not easy).  shortcake 

Hi Shortcake,  I thought this man who assumed the caretaker duties at the ORV park that was found to have an outstanding warrant from the Midwest and was shipped out of Montesano to the Midwest.  We did learn his name and I called back there and he had arrived and was living in town there, out on bond.

I hope I haven't confused this man with some SO. I'll call Montesano in the morning to see who the guy was they sent back there for the outstanding warrant.  No rocks please if I am wrong.  I am a 'lil old lady so weak from sitting at this 'puter I can't even get up now.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Scandi  We all assumed the ORV caretaker was arrested and sent back to Wisconsin(I think) because of an outstanding warrant.  Three sources have told me they have seen him in the last three weeks.  I believe them.  They are reliable.  So I think Montesano arrested someone fitting the description of the caretaker and everyone jumped to conclusions.  Easy to do here?  Or maybe he came back??  I do believe him to be in the McCleary area.  Now he may have nothing to do with this at all, but I have talked to this caretaker person early on and if I ever see him again I will tell him exactly how he made me feel.  Either he is a nut or he may know something.  Probably a nut and harmless.  I don't know.  Just know the LE searched for a couple of days out at the park and the tip was Lindsey in a pink floral bathing suit.  I kinda dismissed the incident because of the bathing suit sighting.  Who thought she may have been wearing a bathing suit.  Now it makes me wonder.  Maybe someone(like DD) can investigate in more depth and put my mind at ease and clear this guy.  Just asking questions, not accusing.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 09:08:40 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:08:51 AM
Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

 
No “smoking gun” discovered; evidence heads to forensic labs
 
McCLEARY — Investigators have yet to find the “smoking gun” that will lead them to 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who has been missing for three months as of Saturday.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office served search warrants on two residences outside the McCleary city limits Friday and began combing through junk cars and a number of buildings.

The search on the properties in question intensified Saturday, bumping up the civilian search and rescue experts and law enforcement personnel from 30 people on Friday to 50 people on Saturday. Search dogs were also brought.

Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”


Three months ago Saturday, Baum disappeared just a few blocks away from her home near downtown McCleary. Despite two confirmed sightings within blocks of her house, no trace of her has been found.

Family, friends and community members planned to do a candlelight vigil Saturday evening at a local church in memory of Baum and the three-month anniversary of her disappearance.

Pimentel said he couldn’t reveal what led detectives to two isolated locations along Foreman Road, just outside of McCleary. Deputies were restricting access to the road and checking licenses to make sure only local residents could get through a road block. The restrictions are in place through Sunday.
 
Detectives combed an abandoned home and an adjoining shed or barn from morning until night on Friday. The property is on about 11 acres of land, Pimentel said. On Saturday, Pimentel said detectives brought in search dogs and search and rescue experts to help comb the surrounding brush, trees and grasslands.

At a second site, detectives set up a mobile command unit from the King County Sheriff’s Office near dozens of junk cars and debris at a second residence along Foreman Road. The property owners were told to leave the area.

Investigators have been wearing white protective gear during their search of the buildings. Pimentel says that’s typical when gathering evidence, although many people link the clothing to potential drug lab investigations. Pimentel says there was no fear either location housed a drug or meth lab.


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

Pimentel said the next step is sending the dozens of boxes and bags of evidence on to the state’s crime lab for forensic analysis.

Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, told KING-TV on Friday that she was glad there was no fresh news coming to  her from the forensic analysis team. She said that she knows the type of news  investigators in sterile suits would bring could only be devastating.

 “I don’t let myself think about what’s probably going on,” the mother told KING. “I’ll deal with that when she’s home. I just need to get her home.”
 
--snippped--

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
I am snipping this part again from the above article....heres the explanation about the white suits

Investigators have been wearing white protective gear during their search of the buildings. Pimentel says that’s typical when gathering evidence, although many people link the clothing to potential drug lab investigations. Pimentel says there was no fear either location housed a drug or meth lab.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 09:13:39 AM
thanks for the info Leroy..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 09:17:21 AM


Good Morning, Monkeys!

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Hello shortcake!

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Hello Barelyhere and good morning to you.  Couldn't sleep.  I hope to learn more about the search.  Nothing new on the news this morning.  Don't know if that makes sense, I am tired.  shortcake ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:22:26 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..

Cookie - this may answer most of your questions

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 09:32:48 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

Janet

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KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


SECOND POST AT SCARED MONKEYS

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373



Janet, you are so sharp.  I am confused as well.  Every time I think I understand, I find out I don't.  Keep up the great work.  Can't wait til your next post.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 09:51:40 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..

Cookie - this may answer most of your questions

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html



thanks Leroy! that explained a lot! looks like an interesting site...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 09:54:47 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

Janet

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KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


SECOND POST AT SCARED MONKEYS

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373



Janet, you are so sharp.  I am confused as well.  Every time I think I understand, I find out I don't.  Keep up the great work.  Can't wait til your next post.  shortcake

Janet,  I am confused as well regarding Kona's post on 9/7.  If what DD tells us is true, Kona was the first person to contact HO and ask him to come and search for Lindsey.  Why would she ask if the family hired him to come search?  This web is getting more and more confusing.   Then the next day 9/8 she indicates there was a contract signed and could only discuss his findings with FBI and LE.  Who did he sign a contract with.  Clearly MB did not want him there.

  MB DID NOT WANT HO THERE AND SHE DID NOT WANT TEXAS EQUISEARCH THERE.....WHY????? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 09:55:17 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..

Cookie - this may answer most of your questions

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html


Good Morning and thanks  ::MonkeyCool::  I've been like this  ::MonkeyEek:: since catching up this morning  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 09:55:22 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..

Cookie - this may answer most of your questions

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html



thanks Leroy! that explained a lot! looks like an interesting site...

Yes, that is DoubleDecker's site  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 09:57:25 AM
 I can come up with two reasons why Melissa Baum didn't want Harry O, or TES. One she doesn't want to face the fact she may be deceased, and the other, well........ Otherwise, I would have no clue


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..

Cookie - this may answer most of your questions

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html



thanks Leroy! that explained a lot! looks like an interesting site...

Yes, that is DoubleDecker's site  ::MonkeyCool::

thank Klaas...I didn't know that...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 10:11:50 AM
I can come up with two reasons why Melissa Baum didn't want Harry O, or TES. One she doesn't want to face the fact she may be deceased, and the other, well........ Otherwise, I would have no clue

No Rose, you are probably right.  I didn't think of that. However, with HO he could be identifing where she walked to, and who lived there.  But, regardless, you would think she would want to know either way.  The not knowing would drive me insane.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:13:39 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

Janet

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KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


SECOND POST AT SCARED MONKEYS

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373



Janet, you are so sharp.  I am confused as well.  Every time I think I understand, I find out I don't.  Keep up the great work.  Can't wait til your next post.  shortcake

Janet,  I am confused as well regarding Kona's post on 9/7.  If what DD tells us is true, Kona was the first person to contact HO and ask him to come and search for Lindsey.  Why would she ask if the family hired him to come search?  This web is getting more and more confusing.   Then the next day 9/8 she indicates there was a contract signed and could only discuss his findings with FBI and LE.  Who did he sign a contract with.  Clearly MB did not want him there.

  MB DID NOT WANT HO THERE AND SHE DID NOT WANT TEXAS EQUISEARCH THERE.....WHY????? 

It is my understanding that Kona was trying to "lay low" about who she was so that the locals would not catch on.  So i think that she acted like she didn't know some things when if fact she did....and it sorta makes sense when she says she wasn't aware of HO coming but then knew about how the contract read. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:14:48 AM
forgive Monkey friends but I have not been able to follow this thread as closely as some of the others that I frequent, but....if I am reading right, did one of the posters from here, Kona, live near Lindsey and knew info and she and her family have been questioned in this case now? I have read throughout the threads about Lindsey but have gotten myself out of the loop since Kona came on the scene...thanks ....
also, does the other neighbor, the mother of Lindsey's friend who saw her the night that she disappeared still post on here with you all? thanks again..

Cookie - this may answer most of your questions

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html



thanks Leroy! that explained a lot! looks like an interesting site...

Yes, that is DoubleDecker's site  ::MonkeyCool::

thank Klaas...I didn't know that...

Skye = DoubleDecker


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:15:14 AM
I can come up with two reasons why Melissa Baum didn't want Harry O, or TES. One she doesn't want to face the fact she may be deceased, and the other, well........ Otherwise, I would have no clue

No Rose, you are probably right.  I didn't think of that. However, with HO he could be identifing where she walked to, and who lived there.  But, regardless, you would think she would want to know either way.  The not knowing would drive me insane.
Not knowing would literally drive me insane, but I guess different people have other ways of looking at things. But one would think you would take all the help available.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
THE FLORAL BATHING SUIT


Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #612 on: July 02, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
»

I am so confused ..
There is so much conflicting news flying around.

Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

Why has this not been on the news .. proven false??? * not sure ..
If it is True - It is lead it is information ..

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862580;topicseen#msg862580




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When was Lindsey witness on the back of the quad?  Who witnessed Lindsey?

Thanks

Janet

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doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »


I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665
 

shortcake
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1880 on: Today at 03:02:54 AM »


Hi DD.  I respect your knowledge and information.  I have two questions.  1. Who do you have to get permission from to answer questions about the search?  2.  You said you have a copy of the warrant, does it go into specifics about the bathing suit(like color,design,size,etc.).  That information could be very important, then again I may be on a wild goose chase.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960852#msg960852


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1901 on: Today at 04:07:23 AM
»

flower print bathing suit top and bottom

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1900


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 10:24:36 AM
THE FLORAL BATHING SUIT

When I consider the “floral bathing suit” … could this be the reason behind the search of Kona’s properties.

Maybe DD can answer:

1.  Does Kona’s son own a quad/three wheeler?.

2.  Could Kona’s son have been at the swimming party?

3.  Considering Lindsey was witnessed in her bathing suit … not jeans and a hoodie … riding on the quad/three wheeler … could Kona’s son have given Lindsey a ride earlier that day?

4.  Considering LE states that the  “family of four” cooperated fully with the search effort … could the attorney which Kona retained be all about an earlier connection between Lindsey and her son.

Monkeys … my position has not changed.  When the argument that Lindsey had with her brother is considered … I suspect that that whatever happened to Lindsey Baum … happened following the witness sightings at 5th and Maple … a short distance from her home.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 

What I have heard is that the news station that released the information, had a mix up, and had said that Clothes hair and blood had all been found. So after I got home from work that night, I checked the information for myself, to find that it was nothing that was found. I think it was just a mix up, or maybe a stage of shock where people heard 'clothes, hair, and blood'.

I've been in a state of shock since this all happened.............. Kona and her family do not deserve this.

thanks jademoff for clearing up how at least SOME OF THE RUMORS are getting out there.  People are just running in a frenzy.  This is getting dangerous for Kona and her family. 

I would hope the police are also out there and sand creek pond seeing why someone took a car out there last night and set it on fire.  It might be nothing, but again, it might have been someone trying to destroy evidence inside a vehicle. 

I know there are things people don't understand about search warrants and they are confused about why things are listed on them... they are listed on them so they can LOOK FOR THEM; NOT because they ARE THERE.  If someone tells them they are there or someone says they "saw something" or thought they saw something when they drove by, or say someone said something they didn't; and when a couple of people get together and go to the police and are either lying or are mistaken, then search warrants can be issued because of nonsense; especially, when you have a judge who has a personal conflict with you.  This judge should have NEVER been the one to okay the warrants, especially considering what the conflict was about.  This judge had it out for kona's son for "personal" reasons which has nothing to do with anything legal.  It could very well have biased the judge's thinking when he signed the search warrants.  I am not saying it did or not, but it very well could have and there are laws put in to place to make certain this does not happen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:30:07 AM
If Kona and her family are being targeted, which it sure appears they are, are they getting anykind of protection?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
If Kona and her family are being targeted, which it sure appears they are, are they getting anykind of protection?

Targeted or ... just a tip from concerned McCleary citizen who may have may have been aware of a Lindsey connection with a member of Kona's family earlier in the day she disappeared?

DD ... is Kona aware of the person who submitted this "tip" to LE?  What is behind the implication that Kona's family was being framed?

Janet

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Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:43:39 AM
 Janet, I really don't know  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 10:45:37 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

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Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


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Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373



Janet, you are so sharp.  I am confused as well.  Every time I think I understand, I find out I don't.  Keep up the great work.  Can't wait til your next post.  shortcake

Janet,  I am confused as well regarding Kona's post on 9/7.  If what DD tells us is true, Kona was the first person to contact HO and ask him to come and search for Lindsey.  Why would she ask if the family hired him to come search?  This web is getting more and more confusing.   Then the next day 9/8 she indicates there was a contract signed and could only discuss his findings with FBI and LE.  Who did he sign a contract with.  Clearly MB did not want him there.

  MB DID NOT WANT HO THERE AND SHE DID NOT WANT TEXAS EQUISEARCH THERE.....WHY????? 

MB's sister Amanda is the one who ended up requesting the services for HO to come and bring his dogs to search for Lindsey.  It had to be LE or a family member.  Kona is the one who first contacted HO and asked him to come help.  Kona could not sign a request for services because she was not a family member, but Kona is the one who got the ball rolling and got this in place for Amanda, without the permission of MB.  HO was at the house at least 4 times and NEVER did MB introduce herself, say hi, thank you, or ask any questions to see how the search was going nor offer any information to help HO.  Kona was doing her best to make sure HO came up, and after HO came up and was searching Kona was trying to tell the police about HO but they would not listen. Seems no one wants to listen to HO, rather they want to focus on someone people are mad at.  This is really beyond 'out of hand'.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 10:48:13 AM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 10:50:10 AM

thanks jademoff for clearing up how at least SOME OF THE RUMORS are getting out there.  People are just running in a frenzy.  This is getting dangerous for Kona and her family. 

I would hope the police are also out there and sand creek pond seeing why someone took a car out there last night and set it on fire.  It might be nothing, but again, it might have been someone trying to destroy evidence inside a vehicle


Could the burning of the car-taken to that location- have been a 'warning' for the family??  Scary stuff....and as Madibabe said, lots of hot heads out there.....with a redneck mentality.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 10:50:35 AM
Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:52:08 AM

thanks jademoff for clearing up how at least SOME OF THE RUMORS are getting out there.  People are just running in a frenzy.  This is getting dangerous for Kona and her family. 

I would hope the police are also out there and sand creek pond seeing why someone took a car out there last night and set it on fire.  It might be nothing, but again, it might have been someone trying to destroy evidence inside a vehicle


Could the burning of the car-taken to that location- have been a 'warning' for the family??  Scary stuff....and as Madibabe said, lots of hot heads out there.....with a redneck mentality.
   ::MonkeyEek::  At this point who knows ?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 10:53:26 AM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 11:02:26 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

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Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


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Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373



Janet, you are so sharp.  I am confused as well.  Every time I think I understand, I find out I don't.  Keep up the great work.  Can't wait til your next post.  shortcake

Janet,  I am confused as well regarding Kona's post on 9/7.  If what DD tells us is true, Kona was the first person to contact HO and ask him to come and search for Lindsey.  Why would she ask if the family hired him to come search?  This web is getting more and more confusing.   Then the next day 9/8 she indicates there was a contract signed and could only discuss his findings with FBI and LE.  Who did he sign a contract with.  Clearly MB did not want him there.

  MB DID NOT WANT HO THERE AND SHE DID NOT WANT TEXAS EQUISEARCH THERE.....WHY????? 

MB's sister Amanda is the one who ended up requesting the services for HO to come and bring his dogs to search for Lindsey.  It had to be LE or a family member.  Kona is the one who first contacted HO and asked him to come help.  Kona could not sign a request for services because she was not a family member, but Kona is the one who got the ball rolling and got this in place for Amanda, without the permission of MB.  HO was at the house at least 4 times and NEVER did MB introduce herself, say hi, thank you, or ask any questions to see how the search was going nor offer any information to help HO.  Kona was doing her best to make sure HO came up, and after HO came up and was searching Kona was trying to tell the police about HO but they would not listen. Seems no one wants to listen to HO, rather they want to focus on someone people are mad at.  This is really beyond 'out of hand'.

DD ... why are people "mad" at Kona (family) and who are these people?

While not undermining the LE search ... the two neighbours who were interviewed by the media upheld the family.

Janet

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Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 11:18:32 AM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 11:23:52 AM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted. When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
Thanks DD for the iformation about the bathing suit.  I have been reaserching and when I returned the pitch forks were out and there is going to be a hanging.  I hate to even bring this up with everybody ready to attack, but the floral bathing suit(pink)came up earlier.  I have no idea if any connection, but if you can bump up first thread reply #612 by Deenie on 7/2.  It states there was a search at the orv park because someone seen a small girl dressed in a pink floral bathing suit on a quad with a man around there.  Nothing came of it.  The caretaker fired is still around the area.  For what it is worth.  Please don't jump all over this guy,  but he makes me creepy(not easy).  shortcake 

Hi Shortcake,  I thought this man who assumed the caretaker duties at the ORV park that was found to have an outstanding warrant from the Midwest and was shipped out of Montesano to the Midwest.  We did learn his name and I called back there and he had arrived and was living in town there, out on bond.

I hope I haven't confused this man with some SO. I'll call Montesano in the morning to see who the guy was they sent back there for the outstanding warrant.  No rocks please if I am wrong.  I am a 'lil old lady so weak from sitting at this 'puter I can't even get up now.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Scandi  We all assumed the ORV caretaker was arrested and sent back to Wisconsin(I think) because of an outstanding warrant.  Three sources have told me they have seen him in the last three weeks.  I believe them.  They are reliable.  So I think Montesano arrested someone fitting the description of the caretaker and everyone jumped to conclusions.  Easy to do here?  Or maybe he came back??  I do believe him to be in the McCleary area.  Now he may have nothing to do with this at all, but I have talked to this caretaker person early on and if I ever see him again I will tell him exactly how he made me feel.  Either he is a nut or he may know something.  Probably a nut and harmless.  I don't know.  Just know the LE searched for a couple of days out at the park and the tip was Lindsey in a pink floral bathing suit.  I kinda dismissed the incident because of the bathing suit sighting.  Who thought she may have been wearing a bathing suit.  Now it makes me wonder.  Maybe someone(like DD) can investigate in more depth and put my mind at ease and clear this guy.  Just asking questions, not accusing.  shortcake

Thanks Shortcake,  Amazing  LOL and I appreciate the info.  Maybe by the time I get home tonight there will be happy news that Lindsey has been found.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 11:40:25 AM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted. When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.
So Kayla always had Josh and Lindsey to walk her home so she wouldn't be alone.
Why then was it ok for Lindsey to walk home alone from Kayla's?
I know Melissa thought Lindsey was staying over night at Kayla's but she wasn't for sure.
Why didn't  Melissa at least try and call Kara to make absolutely sure Lindsey was staying and would not be walking home alone.....especially if/when Josh walked in the house by 9:30 without Lindsey?
But Melissa really should have called over to Kara's when she got that text message from her friend(same witness that saw Lindsey walking home from Kara's)saying she was breaking up a fight and sending Lindsey home.
Melissa,do you know who this witness is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 11:41:48 AM

Hi Scandi  We all assumed the ORV caretaker was arrested and sent back to Wisconsin(I think) because of an outstanding warrant.  Three sources have told me they have seen him in the last three weeks.  I believe them.  They are reliable.  So I think Montesano arrested someone fitting the description of the caretaker and everyone jumped to conclusions.  Easy to do here?  Or maybe he came back??  I do believe him to be in the McCleary area.  Now he may have nothing to do with this at all, but I have talked to this caretaker person early on and if I ever see him again I will tell him exactly how he made me feel.  Either he is a nut or he may know something.  Probably a nut and harmless.  I don't know.  Just know the LE searched for a couple of days out at the park and the tip was Lindsey in a pink floral bathing suit.  I kinda dismissed the incident because of the bathing suit sighting.  Who thought she may have been wearing a bathing suit.  Now it makes me wonder.  Maybe someone(like DD) can investigate in more depth and put my mind at ease and clear this guy.  Just asking questions, not accusing.  shortcake

The caretaker?  Another possible person of interest.  Thanks Shortcake.

My unpopular position with many on this forum regarding the possible implication of  Josh Baum ... as a person of interest in the the process of elimination ... did sway for a period of time this weekend but ... I have regained my balance.

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey Baum's disappearance:

1.  Following the witness sighting at 5th and Maple ... within a very short distance from home ... is it possible that an impulsive action by someone close to Lindsey unintentionally ... in the act of wrongdoing ... caused her death?

- Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and there met with foul play?
- Did Lindsey make it home and it was there that something went terribly wrong?

2.  In a sincere attempt to protect a loved one  ... is it possible assistance outside the family to cover up was requested and provided?

3.  Considering there have been no arrests ... could there be underlying legal issues  encompassing the interrogation of an underage person of interest when there is no substantiating evidence that implies the existence of a felony? 

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 11:46:26 AM

I am confused.  Maybe it will make sense tomorrow.

I am off.

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Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


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Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373



Janet, you are so sharp.  I am confused as well.  Every time I think I understand, I find out I don't.  Keep up the great work.  Can't wait til your next post.  shortcake

Janet,  I am confused as well regarding Kona's post on 9/7.  If what DD tells us is true, Kona was the first person to contact HO and ask him to come and search for Lindsey.  Why would she ask if the family hired him to come search?  This web is getting more and more confusing.   Then the next day 9/8 she indicates there was a contract signed and could only discuss his findings with FBI and LE.  Who did he sign a contract with.  Clearly MB did not want him there.

  MB DID NOT WANT HO THERE AND SHE DID NOT WANT TEXAS EQUISEARCH THERE.....WHY????? 

MB's sister Amanda is the one who ended up requesting the services for HO to come and bring his dogs to search for Lindsey.  It had to be LE or a family member.  Kona is the one who first contacted HO and asked him to come help.  Kona could not sign a request for services because she was not a family member, but Kona is the one who got the ball rolling and got this in place for Amanda, without the permission of MB.  HO was at the house at least 4 times and NEVER did MB introduce herself, say hi, thank you, or ask any questions to see how the search was going nor offer any information to help HO.  Kona was doing her best to make sure HO came up, and after HO came up and was searching Kona was trying to tell the police about HO but they would not listen. Seems no one wants to listen to HO, rather they want to focus on someone people are mad at.  This is really beyond 'out of hand'.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The question is "Why was Melissa Baum not supportive of a Harry Oakes or TES search?"

Hey ... both Oakes and TES offered to conduct searches at no cost to Melissa ... all she had to do was request assistance.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 11:46:46 AM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted. When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.
So Kayla always had Josh and Lindsey to walk her home so she wouldn't be alone.
Why then was it ok for Lindsey to walk home alone from Kayla's?
I know Melissa thought Lindsey was staying over night at Kayla's but she wasn't for sure.
Why didn't  Melissa at least try and call Kara to make absolutely sure Lindsey was staying and would not be walking home alone.....especially if/when Josh walked in the house by 9:30 without Lindsey?
But Melissa really should have called over to Kara's when she got that text message from her friend(same witness that saw Lindsey walking home from Kara's)saying she was breaking up a fight and sending Lindsey home.

Melissa,do you know who this witness is?
Sorry,meant to say:
But Melissa really should have called over to Kara's when she got that text message from her friend(same witness that saw Lindsey walking home from Kara's)saying she was breaking up a fight and sending Josh home.Also,Melissa knew there was a possibility that Lindsey would be walking home alone. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 11:52:32 AM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted. When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.
So Kayla always had Josh and Lindsey to walk her home so she wouldn't be alone.
Why then was it ok for Lindsey to walk home alone from Kayla's?
I know Melissa thought Lindsey was staying over night at Kayla's but she wasn't for sure.
Why didn't  Melissa at least try and call Kara to make absolutely sure Lindsey was staying and would not be walking home alone.....especially if/when Josh walked in the house by 9:30 without Lindsey?
But Melissa really should have called over to Kara's when she got that text message from her friend(same witness that saw Lindsey walking home from Kara's)saying she was breaking up a fight and sending Lindsey home.

Melissa,do you know who this witness is?
Sorry,meant to say:
But Melissa really should have called over to Kara's when she got that text message from her friend(same witness that saw Lindsey walking home from Kara's)saying she was breaking up a fight and sending Josh home.Also,Melissa knew there was a possibility that Lindsey would be walking home alone. 
Good Lord I kinda screwed that all up.Melissa thought Lindsey and Kayla would be walking back to her house because she didn't know the girls had changed plans for the night.
Bottom line,there was still a possibility that Lindsey would be walking home alone that night.Melissa should have called Kara the minute she got that text message.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.


Sister, MB posted at Insessions and was adamant defending her position (re M. Bart) that she would take ANY HELP she could get in locating Lindsey.  Soooooo... we have MM saying that MB  REJECTED Harry Oates and his help (because of LE?!?!?!)  but  AOK with M. BART?!?!  You've got to be kidding me. 

Also,  I guess HO's reputation will just be another casualty of this case.  But yet M.Bart is AOK?!?!? What is wrong with this picture?

Also, it was mentioned to MB to contact TES only weeks after Lindsey went missing....especially since it didn't appear there was any searches to speak of going on.   So I guess I can either take MM's explanation at face value............or not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
I have heard that Melissa B is bi-polar. I am not putting this out there to be mean, just to give another angle as to why Melissa B may not have acted as we would in many situations that have come up regarding this entire case. Having known someone off and on for years who is bi-polar, most of Melissa B's actions have not been surprising to me. They are not always the most responsible parents and they can suffer EXTREME highs and lows. The key is for the person to be on the right medications. This does not always happen. When the depression hits, they can be bed-ridden for days. They can appear unkept, their houses can become filthy and their children can run amuck without much supervision. Having said this, there are those who are bi-polar, who are on the correct medications who can function so well, that one would never know that said person may have suffered with this horrible illness. Then you add Josh to this mix. He has troubles of his own and Melissa B gets NO SUPPORT from Josh's father. Then you add the fact that Melissa B now has a child that has been missing for 3 months. Personally, I would be a complete basket case. I am not saying whether Melissa B did or did not have any sort of involvement with regards to this case. At this point, with all that has occured, anything is possible. I am just trying to give a different perspective.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 12:07:28 PM
http://www.helium.com/items/1407307-good-parenting-with-bipolar-disorder-is-possible This is an interesting article from a woman who is a bi-polar parent.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 12:10:57 PM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted. When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.

Melissa M ... consider your words prior to posting.

If ... as you claim ... Josh Baum went home following the argument as instructed by a family friend ... Melissa Baum would have known there was a possibility that Lindsey would be walking home alone.

Melissa M ... which is it.  Was Josh home with Mom or ... was he not home when Lindsey left the Kampen/Williams residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM?

Janet

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MelissaMcCann
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1450 on: September 26, 2009, 06:13:06 PM »


whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg959312#msg959312



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
I have heard that Melissa B is bi-polar. I am not putting this out there to be mean, just to give another angle as to why Melissa B may not have acted as we would in many situations that have come up regarding this entire case. Having known someone off and on for years who is bi-polar, most of Melissa B's actions have not been surprising to me. They are not always the most responsible parents and they can suffer EXTREME highs and lows. The key is for the person to be on the right medications. This does not always happen. When the depression hits, they can be bed-ridden for days. They can appear unkept, their houses can become filthy and their children can run amuck without much supervision. Having said this, there are those who are bi-polar, who are on the correct medications who can function so well, that one would never know that said person may have suffered with this horrible illness. Then you add Josh to this mix. He has troubles of his own and Melissa B gets NO SUPPORT from Josh's father. Then you add the fact that Melissa B now has a child that has been missing for 3 months. Personally, I would be a complete basket case. I am not saying whether Melissa B did or did not have any sort of involvement with regards to this case. At this point, with all that has occured, anything is possible. I am just trying to give a different perspective.
I appreciate that, my younger daughter is bi-polar, and finally on the right meds.  But Kara is she bi-polar or something, she should have walked Lindsey home, I know that my husband or I would have walked one of my daughter's friends home under the circumstances, and many other people would have also.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted. When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.

Melissa M ... are we to believe that Melissa Baum was concerning about Kayla walking home alone but ... this mother was not concern about Lindsey until the 10:00 PM curfew had passed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 12:18:11 PM
MelissaMcCann
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1450 on: September 26, 2009, 06:13:06 PM »

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time. (So my question is if he came home, shouldn't Melissa B have called over to Kara's and asked is Lindsey staying over or walking home? And if she said walking home, she should have went there and walked her home. Bottom line, someone should have walked a 10 year old home since it was getting dark.)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
 I am not trying to cause trouble, but a 10 o'clock curfew for a 10 year old. Maybe I'm old fashioned, who knows, but that would not have happened when my daughters were that age. Now if I knew that they were at a friend's home, and it was time to come home we would have picked them up. But I don't ever recall my kids out at 10pm at that age.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
http://www.helium.com/items/1407307-good-parenting-with-bipolar-disorder-is-possible This is an interesting article from a woman who is a bi-polar parent.
Thank-you,  very difficult, to say the least too deal with  ::MonkeyNoNo:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 12:27:05 PM

Melissa McCann does not deny KONA's contention that Josh Baum has issues with agression.

Janet

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JOSH BAUM:  ACCORDING TO MELISSA MCCANN


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect..  I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:37:03 PM


As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.   If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.


Sorry something is not connecting, never has. I think the question lies with Kara for allowing Lindsey to walk home alone....Yes we can all say, if she knew then what she knows now....however, why would she allow this which leads me to ask first, did she allow this?

LB was sent to walk by herself when all along the plan has been to not have a girl walk home, as stated by MM. hmmmm something smells a bit hinky, don't ya think!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 01:15:11 PM


As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.   If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.


Sorry something is not connecting, never has. I think the question lies with Kara for allowing Lindsey to walk home alone....Yes we can all say, if she knew then what she knows now....however, why would she allow this which leads me to ask first, did she allow this?

LB was sent to walk by herself when all along the plan has been to not have a girl walk home, as stated by MM. hmmmm something smells a bit hinky, don't ya think!
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Way wrong


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 01:24:17 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16
Janet, I am still trying to find more, but the sighting was not that night, but Saturday.  I just cannot find it.  I see many posts of the LE searching the ORV park and I don't think LE would spend resources out there unless they gave it some credibility.  By the way, do you think it is possible someone else sent you that message from HO other than HO?  I walked that path HO suggested and determined it was not a likely escape route.  More likely only a dirt bike could maneuver it. Someone else was recently looking around at a spot near where another road came up from the left.  I believe it went down to N. Summit RD(not sure).  Two men on bikes spent some time looking around.  Maybe from one of the search parties, I don't know. I am not saying it is not what HO seen or his dogs followed, but I find it hard to believe she went up that trail that night or probably at any other time. JMO shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
my humble opinion is that 10:00 PM is too late for children of that age group to be out wandering around, walking to each other's home etc...whether alone or with a group....too young!!! jmo...and if a child was at my house at that time of night or near that time of night, I would have taken her home myself or called her mom to come and get her...everyone is different, not trying to pass judgment, but I know what I would have done...If I would have sent her along alone, (which I would not have done.)I would have at least called to make sure that mom knew that she was walking home and for her to call me when she got home...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:41:28 PM
MM stated it was a plan that JB would walk with the girls...She made it sound as though this had been done more then just this one time. If that was the case, then what was the plan if LB was to leave KK's house alone, would anyone walk with LB? Surely this has happened in the past and if there was a plan for one case there must be a plan for the other, I would think.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
MM stated it was a plan that JB would walk with the girls...She made it sound as though this had been done more then just this one time. If that was the case, then what was the plan if LB was to leave KK's house alone, would anyone walk with LB? Surely this has happened in the past and if there was a plan for one case there must be a plan for the other, I would think.....

or vise versa...perhaps JB was not always willing or able to walk the other little girl home from LB's house...who went then? did LB walk her home and then walk back alone?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 01:48:56 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16
Janet, I am still trying to find more, but the sighting was not that night, but Saturday.  I just cannot find it.  I see many posts of the LE searching the ORV park and I don't think LE would spend resources out there unless they gave it some credibility.  By the way, do you think it is possible someone else sent you that message from HO other than HO?  I walked that path HO suggested and determined it was not a likely escape route.  More likely only a dirt bike could maneuver it. Someone else was recently looking around at a spot near where another road came up from the left.  I believe it went down to N. Summit RD(not sure).  Two men on bikes spent some time looking around.  Maybe from one of the search parties, I don't know. I am not saying it is not what HO seen or his dogs followed, but I find it hard to believe she went up that trail that night or probably at any other time. JMO shortcake

In all probability ... the search of the ORV park was the result of a tip .. a Lindsey sighting.  Jim Mullins Creek was searched six times.  Why?  KONA's properties were search this weekend.  Why?

I have no reason to believe it was not Harry Oakes who responding to my email.  My suggestion went to his email address and ... was received in a relatively short period of time.  The signing of his name reflected that in correspondence from Oakes that KONAMOCHA shared on the forum.

Shortcake ...I have no way of knowing if Harry Oakes is credible but ... the way I interpret Oakes' confusing email is that a deceased Lindsey was taken in an open vehicle along Beck Street.  I would assume that a death scent would not have been easily detected by the dog/s if Lindsey had been in an enclosed vehicle.

I could be wrong with my take but ... prior to this email from Harry Oakes ... I was unaware that Oakes had conducted a search on Beck Street ... a street that could be easily accesed from Lindsey's home via First.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Girlzrock on September 28, 2009, 01:49:50 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16

Hi, Janet.

I think the 26th was a Friday... so if the siting indeed did happen on Saturday it would be after she was apparently last seen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 01:50:36 PM
my humble opinion is that 10:00 PM is too late for children of that age group to be out wandering around, walking to each other's home etc...whether alone or with a group....too young!!! jmo...and if a child was at my house at that time of night or near that time of night, I would have taken her home myself or called her mom to come and get her...everyone is different, not trying to pass judgment, but I know what I would have done...If I would have sent her along alone, (which I would not have done.)I would have at least called to make sure that mom knew that she was walking home and for her to call me when she got home...
I understand your feeling about children out at 10:00.  But is was still very light out.  People from Calif usually remark about how green everything is and how late it stays light out.  I was walking on the outskirts of McCleary Saturday afternoon and heard gunshots.  Probably kids shooting cans.  No big deal.  If that happened around my home, I would think someone was being shot.  So I try to get in the locals mindset and not get hung up on my belief.  One lady was washing her car and I remarked how quiet it was.  Her remark: Yes, I love it.  Kinda says it all.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Girlzrock on September 28, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16

Hi, Janet.

I think the 26th was a Friday... so if the siting indeed did happen on Saturday it would be after she was apparently last seen.

Oh, wait.... maybe you mean the person who reported the siting was mistaken, and it was actually the afternoon of the 26th... NOT on Saturday.  That makes sense>  SORRY!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 01:55:25 PM
my humble opinion is that 10:00 PM is too late for children of that age group to be out wandering around, walking to each other's home etc...whether alone or with a group....too young!!! jmo...and if a child was at my house at that time of night or near that time of night, I would have taken her home myself or called her mom to come and get her...everyone is different, not trying to pass judgment, but I know what I would have done...If I would have sent her along alone, (which I would not have done.)I would have at least called to make sure that mom knew that she was walking home and for her to call me when she got home...
Most definitely, no way would I have left her walk alone, but I think what happens, you live in a small town, and feel safe, never thinking something bad could happen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:56:40 PM

thanks jademoff for clearing up how at least SOME OF THE RUMORS are getting out there.  People are just running in a frenzy.  This is getting dangerous for Kona and her family. 

I would hope the police are also out there and sand creek pond seeing why someone took a car out there last night and set it on fire.  It might be nothing, but again, it might have been someone trying to destroy evidence inside a vehicle


Could the burning of the car-taken to that location- have been a 'warning' for the family??  Scary stuff....and as Madibabe said, lots of hot heads out there.....with a redneck mentality.

I have no idea, but someone drove a car out there and set it on fire, down sand creek road.  Pretty weird. The fire trucks put the fire out and left.  Don't know what happened after that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
But kara had not lived in McCleary that long and she is from a larger town in Arizona, IIRC could someone so fast change a mind set? Although it was light out, does that really matter? It was late enough or dark enough for josh to be sent with the girls....Light, dark, late, early, does that really matter? There was the original plan of JB would walk with the girls so a girl would not walk alone..Someone must have first thought it was not ok for a girl to walk alone, so was she alone?

I lived in LA for a short time, I will never forget the street smarts I onced learned.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
I think its just part of being human to assume you will know how you would handle a situation should you end up in it. However, until you are actually in that exact position, you don’t know how you will for sure. I always tell myself if someone comes into my store and tries to rob me, I will take the baseball bat to them and show them my trucker’s mouth. But at that moment when it’s happening, my fear may make me just cry and hand them over whatever they want.  So I feel it’s a little unfair to make any judgments on what MB has done. I can’t speak for her because I am not her but, I bet there are something’s she wishes she had done differently.

I see that some of you disagree with curfew time, or how MB didn’t call KK, ect.. Again here is something that you sound judgmental on. This is about finding Lindsey not how you disagree with the parenting. 

I said JB and LB walking MK home was a common occurrence. Not an ‘all the time’ occurrence. Again, it wasn’t the original plan for LJ to walk back alone if the spending the night wasn’t going to happen. If JB and LJ hadn’t argued, and the person hadn’t sent JB back home, then he would have been walking with her back home from MK’s.  And as it has already been stated, something like a child getting abducted wasn’t a thought from anyone in this town. Yes parents let their guard down but it doesn’t make them bad parents. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 02:19:59 PM
blonde moment but what does IIRC stand for?  i figured out IMO, yah me.. lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:20:44 PM
But kara had not lived in McCleary that long and she is from a larger town in Arizona, IIRC could someone so fast change a mind set? Although it was light out, does that really matter? It was late enough or dark enough for josh to be sent with the girls....Light, dark, late, early, does that really matter? There was the original plan of JB would walk with the girls so a girl would not walk alone..Someone must have first thought it was not ok for a girl to walk alone, so was she alone?

I lived in LA for a short time, I will never forget the street smarts I onced learned.

Tracygirl, we may never know the answer to your question.  One thing is for certain, at some point she was not alone because a child doesn't just poof out of existence.
Believe it or not, there are still places in America that folks feel safe.  Safe for themselves and safe for their children.  While many of us have had experiences that defy that concept and/or that logic, the fact remains that some people still feel safe.  I live in such a community.  Only one road in.  People do not lock their homes, their cars, their sheds.  Children walk down the roads and ride their bikes in the summer time even after dark.  It is a "Charlie Brown" notion that all the talking in the world doesn't change.  Like so many other things in life, folks believe it can never happen to them.  They feel safe here, protected here, etc because everyone knows everyone.  When someone moves here, believe me, residents know more about them than the newcomers can probably remember about themselves. 
It is wise?  All I know for sure is it is what it is and I pray no harm comes to anyone here.  But then we have no bars, no 24 hour businesses, etc.  Do RSO live near here, yes.  Do I keep the community advised of this?  Yes.  Do they lock their doors or walk their children home from a neighbors?  No.
Until something bad happens, which I pray never does (although the probability of that is slim to none), these folks will continue to live as their parents raised them here, and their parents before them.
It simply is what it is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:22:53 PM
Oh and here is another thing that has bothered me. Kara stated that MB may have called, she was charging her phone and may not have heard it...my phone now and all of my phones in the past, and I have had several, requires the phone to be turned on to charge, never have I had to turn off my phone. Even if it runs out of battery power, it will ring once it has enough juice, which take about a few minutes.  Was her phone on the charger and where is the charger? Her house is small, can't be that far from the computer she said she was on.

Sister and Janet, you both have the magic touch of finding long lost posts. Where is the post which Kara wrote about LB arriving and leaving her house? Does she say who was home, where they were etc....And what time did MB finally get ahold of KK and what made Kara able to finally hear the phone?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16
Janet, I am still trying to find more, but the sighting was not that night, but Saturday.  I just cannot find it.  I see many posts of the LE searching the ORV park and I don't think LE would spend resources out there unless they gave it some credibility.  By the way, do you think it is possible someone else sent you that message from HO other than HO?  I walked that path HO suggested and determined it was not a likely escape route.  More likely only a dirt bike could maneuver it. Someone else was recently looking around at a spot near where another road came up from the left.  I believe it went down to N. Summit RD(not sure).  Two men on bikes spent some time looking around.  Maybe from one of the search parties, I don't know. I am not saying it is not what HO seen or his dogs followed, but I find it hard to believe she went up that trail that night or probably at any other time. JMO shortcake

In all probability ... the search of the ORV park was the result of a tip .. a Lindsey sighting.  Jim Mullins Creek was searched six times.  Why?  KONA's properties were search this weekend.  Why?

I have no reason to believe it was not Harry Oakes who responding to my email.  My suggestion went to his email address and ... was received in a relatively short period of time.  The signing of his name reflected that in correspondence from Oakes that KONAMOCHA shared on the forum.

Shortcake ...I have no way of knowing if Harry Oakes is credible but ... the way I interpret Oakes' confusing email is that a deceased Lindsey was taken in an open vehicle along Beck Street.  I would assume that a death scent would not have been easily detected by the dog/s if Lindsey had been in an enclosed vehicle.

I could be wrong with my take but ... prior to this email from Harry Oakes ... I was unaware that Oakes had conducted a search on Beck Street ... a street that could be easily accesed from Lindsey's home via First.

Janet
Janet, let me make one more stab and then I will quit beating this mule.  The entrance to the trail(old road) is in front of a house that has a very large black dog and lets you know he /she means business.  The trail is gated and locked.  There is a path qround the gate, but probably only accessible by a dirt bike.  A couple hundred feet in is a small alder across the trail(probablely blowened down last wind storm).  I had to almost crawl to get past.  Ferns as tall a you and devil's clubs abound.  Ten feet off the trail you cannot see it is so thick.  If HO tracked up there a short time after Lindsey went missing, He would have noticed if someone left that trail and went out into the woods.  After all dogs track and his job is to be on the lookout for any clues.  Not a place where a 10 year would visit for sure.  I walked up past a road that came in from the left and up a little more to what looked like an old spur trailing off to the left.  That was enough for me.  No one could get up that trail without the dog alerting the neighborhood, and I don't think many dirt bikes have lights. Now it is time for me to quit beating this mule and move on.  I tend to discount HO findings.  JMO shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:25:17 PM
blonde moment but what does IIRC stand for?  i figured out IMO, yah me.. lol

IIRC=If I recall correctly

MM kara stated MB may have called her, her phone was charging. I never blamed MB for any of this, she is seems did what should have.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 02:30:04 PM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this???  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
Tracygirl,can't bump it sorry.  Maybe Janet can.  Anyway, if you look on the thread of KK you will see how you can read all of her posts.  You are absolutely correct.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:34:47 PM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this???  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, Fanny Mae, one and the same Michelle Bart.  Now doesn't that make you
 :smt091 :2brickwall: :smt075 :smt021 :smt022 :gaah:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 02:35:11 PM
blonde moment but what does IIRC stand for?  i figured out IMO, yah me.. lol

IIRC means "if I recall correctly"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

++++++

07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16

Hi, Janet.

I think the 26th was a Friday... so if the siting indeed did happen on Saturday it would be after she was apparently last seen.

Thank you Girlzrock.

There I go again ... scanning and not reading carefully.

Nevertheless ... on July 1, 2009 ... there was the above post implying Lindsey was sighted on a quad in the OVR park wearing a floral bathing suit and ... then there is the warrant regarding the search of this past weekend listing a floral bathing suit.  Was the recent search just about following up on tips as LE implied?  Should the sighting day have been Friday ... not Saturday?

I would be interesting to know if KONA's son owns a quad and ... if the young man had a connection with Lindsey prior to her going missing.

As I stated previous ... considering Lindsey was not wearing jeans and a hoodie in the OVR sighting ... I do not think the connection has anything to do with her disappearance following the 9:30 PM sighting of at 5th and Maple..

IMO

Janet

++++++++


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 02:36:19 PM


As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.   If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.


Sorry something is not connecting, never has. I think the question lies with Kara for allowing Lindsey to walk home alone....Yes we can all say, if she knew then what she knows now....however, why would she allow this which leads me to ask first, did she allow this?

LB was sent to walk by herself when all along the plan has been to not have a girl walk home, as stated by MM. hmmmm something smells a bit hinky, don't ya think!
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Way wrong

Did KaraK and her live in not have a vehicle? I am asking because she said Lindsey couldn't stay because they were planning a trip to the beach the next day to pick up seashells for candles. How were they going to get there? What would the problem have been to give Lindsey a short ride home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:37:30 PM
Yes sister that is all true, however, the fact that JB was sent with the girls and this being a normal occurance tends to point to the fact, it was not considered a safe thing for a girl to walk alone.

Sorry this just dawned on me last night and I am stuck on it. If the plan was for JB to walk LB back home if kara said no I guess there must be a plan on how LB would normally get home if Josh was not around, kwim?

1. the 3 kids take off to Kara's to see if Kayla could spend the night
2. the plan changed and Lindsey wanted to spend the night at Kayla's
3. Josh and Lindsey fight, josh is sent home (had to happen this way or JB wouldn't have known Lindsey was asking to spend the night there)
4. Kara's boyfriend says no thank you to the request
5 the original request of Kayla spending the night is thrown out the window?
6 Lindsey leaves to go home and kayla is said to watch her friend walk the few feet she could.

My question again is, was there a plan that was the same for Lindsey as there was for Kayla? Would Kayla nd her brother escort Lindsey home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Fanny Mae, apparent Bart doesn't live to far away.  When MB was asked about her, she said she wasn't paying her and was glad to have anyone's help!  Guess she forgot to add as long as it's not Mr. Oakes.
Shortcake, I think you're off in your direction just a wee bit. But gracious, thank you for looking!!!!
 :cheers:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
Janet or KarmaR, do you see the post about the phone.  I just can't get it from there to here.  Sorry.
 :sad:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:41:33 PM
I do believe KaraK has a car, MB's car was not working.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:43:07 PM
I do believe KaraK has a car, MB's car was not working.

correct


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:44:28 PM
my phone does this so I want to ask all who have cell phones...don't all miss calls register, even if you are charging your phone? Wouldn't Kara had known if MB called, she said she may have called...I think the only time my cell doesn't is if it is turned off, charging ='s turned off?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 02:45:51 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 02:46:04 PM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this???  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, Fanny Mae, one and the same Michelle Bart.  Now doesn't that make you
 :smt091 :2brickwall: :smt075 :smt021 :smt022 :gaah:

And she REFUSED HO and TESS??!!  Yes I am being judgmental! Every thing I have seen written about how Melissa B is dealing with this it always states she sits on the porch all day WAITING for Lindsey to come home. So every one that drives by can see. Oh, come on! There is a medical term for this and I don't think it is bi-polar. And I will say it again, I AM being judgmental. I am WAY back on square one again....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
my phone does this so I want to ask all who have cell phones...don't all miss calls register, even if you are charging your phone? Wouldn't Kara had known if MB called, she said she may have called...I think the only time my cell doesn't is if it is turned off, charging ='s turned off?

Tracygirl, I only know about my phone.  It can be charged whether on or off.  It it is off, it will show a missed call and will even record a message.  But with all the phones on the market, it really is hard to accurately say.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 02:47:11 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
I think its just part of being human to assume you will know how you would handle a situation should you end up in it. However, until you are actually in that exact position, you don’t know how you will for sure. I always tell myself if someone comes into my store and tries to rob me, I will take the baseball bat to them and show them my trucker’s mouth. But at that moment when it’s happening, my fear may make me just cry and hand them over whatever they want.  So I feel it’s a little unfair to make any judgments on what MB has done. I can’t speak for her because I am not her but, I bet there are something’s she wishes she had done differently.

I see that some of you disagree with curfew time, or how MB didn’t call KK, ect.. Again here is something that you sound judgmental on. This is about finding Lindsey not how you disagree with the parenting. 

I said JB and LB walking MK home was a common occurrence. Not an ‘all the time’ occurrence. Again, it wasn’t the original plan for LJ to walk back alone if the spending the night wasn’t going to happen. If JB and LJ hadn’t argued, and the person hadn’t sent JB back home, then he would have been walking with her back home from MK’s.  And as it has already been stated, something like a child getting abducted wasn’t a thought from anyone in this town. Yes parents let their guard down but it doesn’t make them bad parents. 


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Melissa ... why was the foreseeable dangers that lurk in Anytown, USA "not a thought".  Lindsey was a 10 year year old little girl.  Melissa Baum ... as the custodial parent ... had the ultimate responsibility to make the right choices in regards to Lindsey's well being.  However ... it seems that all the adults in Lindsey's life failed to protect her and ... that makes me angry.

Janet

+++++


Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders,  revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:31 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Northern Rose
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:52:47 PM
seems strange that MB would not even talk to the dog handler if I am reading this right...Why wouldn't she welcome any help?

I don't know, but no matter what kind of grief you are in, one would think you could talk to a person that was there to help  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree!  At least to be gracious and say thank you for helping.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

AZ, I remember reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember where) that MB defended the Bart woman and her help by saying she would welcome anyone who was trying to help find her daughter.  I think JessStar also indicated that LRC may not even be coming back. 
I had hoped and prayed this would be the weekend Lindsey would be brought home.  If not yesterday, maybe today.

Oh Lord, SISTER,b] Bart as in Michelle?? Has she got her mitts on this???  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, Fanny Mae, one and the same Michelle Bart.  Now doesn't that make you
 :smt091 :2brickwall: :smt075 :smt021 :smt022 :gaah:

And she REFUSED HO and TESS??!!  Yes I am being judgmental! Every thing I have seen written about how Melissa B is dealing with this it always states she sits on the porch all day WAITING for Lindsey to come home. So every one that drives by can see. Oh, come on! There is a medical term for this and I don't think it is bi-polar. And I will say it again, I AM being judgmental. I am WAY back on square one again....

Fanny Mae, I know about Mr. Oakes, I have no knowledge about TESS.  According to MM, when TESS heard that LRC was coming TESS said they would wait.  Don't know if MM knows this factually or is just repeating what MB told her.  Now may be the time to get TESS here as it is my understanding that the people from LRC will probably not be returning.
There is every good reason to go back to square one again and try to start over with new glasses.  Laying aside what folks have thought, what are the facts, just the facts.  That, IMO, is how to proceed.  It is difficult not to superimpose what you think, but to look at only the facts is, in my experience, the best way to begin again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 02:54:36 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry, that was a sarcastic answer on my part if you really don't know about Michelle Bart's history with the Anthony's of the Caylee Marie Anthony murder. I have as much distain for her as I do most of the other Anthony lovers. I apologize again. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 02:56:26 PM
my phone does this so I want to ask all who have cell phones...don't all miss calls register, even if you are charging your phone? Wouldn't Kara had known if MB called, she said she may have called...I think the only time my cell doesn't is if it is turned off, charging ='s turned off?

Mine does it at the charging time too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 02:56:30 PM
As  Wyks and Tracygirl said last night:

It would be helpful to hear from Lindsey's mom herself, what the timeline/events happened that day.  At this point, I'm not sure that's going to happen. 

I would love to hear from the 2 (?) eyewitness that say they saw Lindsey that night walking by herself.  Was she alone, what was she wearing, exactly where did they see her and what direction was she headed?  Was anyone else out on the streets in that vicinity, any other vehicles?  Did they not think it odd that Lindsey was by herself at that time of night?  If not why?  Have they seen Lindsey out by herself walking around before at night and therefore did not think it was odd?  Why have they not come forward?  Are they afraid or has LE told them not to for any reason?  Why?  Are they afraid of media exposure?  Why?  With all the posting done by Kara and MM, I find it odd that they have never been forthcoming about these witnesses as to their identiity.  Why?  These 2 (?) witnesses are crucial to an investigation as they are technically the last pp. to have seen Lindsey. 

I point to the eyewitnesses in Amber's case for instance. They are identified and heck even a animated video was made of Amber and the unidentified boy she was  walking with to school, based on the eyewitness' recollection (and made public).

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 02:59:40 PM
But kara had not lived in McCleary that long and she is from a larger town in Arizona, IIRC could someone so fast change a mind set? Although it was light out, does that really matter? It was late enough or dark enough for josh to be sent with the girls....Light, dark, late, early, does that really matter? There was the original plan of JB would walk with the girls so a girl would not walk alone..Someone must have first thought it was not ok for a girl to walk alone, so was she alone?

I lived in LA for a short time, I will never forget the street smarts I onced learned.

Tracygirl, we may never know the answer to your question.  One thing is for certain, at some point she was not alone because a child doesn't just poof out of existence.
Believe it or not, there are still places in America that folks feel safe.  Safe for themselves and safe for their children.  While many of us have had experiences that defy that concept and/or that logic, the fact remains that some people still feel safe.  I live in such a community.  Only one road in.  People do not lock their homes, their cars, their sheds.  Children walk down the roads and ride their bikes in the summer time even after dark.  It is a "Charlie Brown" notion that all the talking in the world doesn't change.  Like so many other things in life, folks believe it can never happen to them.  They feel safe here, protected here, etc because everyone knows everyone.  When someone moves here, believe me, residents know more about them than the newcomers can probably remember about themselves. 
It is wise?  All I know for sure is it is what it is and I pray no harm comes to anyone here.  But then we have no bars, no 24 hour businesses, etc.  Do RSO live near here, yes.  Do I keep the community advised of this?  Yes.  Do they lock their doors or walk their children home from a neighbors?  No.
Until something bad happens, which I pray never does (although the probability of that is slim to none), these folks will continue to live as their parents raised them here, and their parents before them.
It simply is what it is.

Janet, I know you disagree with this concept, as I personally do too, but it does still exist in our country as well as other places in the world. 
Did you see Tracygirl's questions about KK's comment regarding the phones?  It's on another thread and I can't bump, hoping you can.
Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 03:00:13 PM
my phone does this so I want to ask all who have cell phones...don't all miss calls register, even if you are charging your phone? Wouldn't Kara had known if MB called, she said she may have called...I think the only time my cell doesn't is if it is turned off, charging ='s turned off?

all that I have had work like yours Tracygirl.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 03:00:38 PM
This was copied from Kara's list of posts. please delete if it is not done correctly.

Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?




1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


This leaves me with just more questions.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:01:20 PM
KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 03:03:01 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyMad::

Just say "liver" = Bart
 :smt078
just trying to be cute here, Janet loves liver and some of the rest of us, well . . .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
Thanks Janet and Tracygirl -- yes, they're the posts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 03:10:52 PM
No new clues after weekend search warrants
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Monday, September 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT
 
Investigators “didn’t find anything we’re excited about”


http://**/articles/2009/09/28/local_news/doc4ac0faeeaacf8870968264.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:11:56 PM

Tamikosmom
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #537 on: July 16, 2009, 10:39:09 PM »


Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg879940#msg879940


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #549 on: July 17, 2009, 10:10:17 AM »


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.

2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg880225;topicseen#msg880225





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 03:12:33 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyMad::

Just say "liver" = Bart
 :smt078
just trying to be cute here, Janet loves liver and some of the rest of us, well . . .

I am a liver lover! I am from a line of long-liver lovers! We love long livers!  ::MonkeyDevil2:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:14:35 PM

madibabe
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »


I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg874684;topicseen#msg874684


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 03:14:39 PM
As  Wyks and Tracygirl said last night:

It would be helpful to hear from Lindsey's mom herself, what the timeline/events happened that day.  At this point, I'm not sure that's going to happen. 

I would love to hear from the 2 (?) eyewitness that say they saw Lindsey that night walking by herself.  Was she alone, what was she wearing, exactly where did they see her and what direction was she headed?  Was anyone else out on the streets in that vicinity, any other vehicles?  Did they not think it odd that Lindsey was by herself at that time of night?  If not why?  Have they seen Lindsey out by herself walking around before at night and therefore did not think it was odd?  Why have they not come forward?  Are they afraid or has LE told them not to for any reason?  Why?  Are they afraid of media exposure?  Why?  With all the posting done by Kara and MM, I find it odd that they have never been forthcoming about these witnesses as to their identiity.  Why?  These 2 (?) witnesses are crucial to an investigation as they are technically the last pp. to have seen Lindsey. 

I point to the eyewitnesses in Amber's case for instance. They are identified and heck even a animated video was made of Amber and the unidentified boy she was  walking with to school, based on the eyewitness' recollection (and made public).

 

So true MADRE! What is the problem with just saying WHO saw Lindsey that night?  :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyMad::

Just say "liver" = Bart
 :smt078
just trying to be cute here, Janet loves liver and some of the rest of us, well . . .

I am a liver lover! I am from a line of long-liver lovers! We love long livers!  ::MonkeyDevil2:: 

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 03:22:57 PM
No new clues after weekend search warrants
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Monday, September 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT
 
Investigators “didn’t find anything we’re excited about”


http://**/articles/2009/09/28/local_news/doc4ac0faeeaacf8870968264.txt

Thanks Madre.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry, that was a sarcastic answer on my part if you really don't know about Michelle Bart's history with the Anthony's of the Caylee Marie Anthony murder. I have as much distain for her as I do most of the other Anthony lovers. I apologize again. 

Ms. Bart has inserted herself in the Amber Dubois case and has caused a wedge in the family. She is a real piece of work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 03:37:17 PM
Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Snip:
Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt

OK, so where were these served?  Shouldn't they be public?  Why don't we know about them?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 03:46:24 PM
Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Snip:
Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt

OK, so where were these served?  Shouldn't they be public?  Why don't we know about them?



Sorry to post on my post, but come to think of it, why were this weekend's SW the only ones publicized?  Who alerted the media?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 03:46:37 PM
Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Snip:
Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt

OK, so where were these served?  Shouldn't they be public?  Why don't we know about them?


same article says LE is going to "refocus."
don't know the answer to your question Madre about the past search warrants.  May be covered under the Freedom of Information Act, if so, a formal request would have to be made to make them public.  News agencies typically do that, if they want.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 03:48:20 PM

madibabe
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »


I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg874684;topicseen#msg874684


But wouldn't the fact that JB was sent to walk with Lindsey if the girls didn't walk back together sort of counter this claim? It seems to me that there was some kind of care for Lindsey to be out by herself walking because JB was sent with them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 03:50:05 PM
No new clues after weekend search warrants
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Monday, September 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT
 
Investigators “didn’t find anything we’re excited about”


http://**/articles/2009/09/28/local_news/doc4ac0faeeaacf8870968264.txt

What a strange comment!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 04:02:05 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry, that was a sarcastic answer on my part if you really don't know about Michelle Bart's history with the Anthony's of the Caylee Marie Anthony murder. I have as much distain for her as I do most of the other Anthony lovers. I apologize again. 

Ms. Bart has inserted herself in the Amber Dubois case and has caused a wedge in the family. She is a real piece of work.

But who is she? Is she a PI or something?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 04:04:07 PM

madibabe
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »


I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg874684;topicseen#msg874684

I remember reading that. We talk about the fact that a girl of that age, 10 shouldn't walk home alone, but Josh who is 12 someone could grab him off the street as well. So really was Josh safe walking alone at that time? I really believe and I'm sorry, but both children didn't seem to have much supervision, if I'm wrong, sorry, but I don't believe I am. It isn't going to change things either way though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 04:05:23 PM
Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

Snip:
Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt

OK, so where were these served?  Shouldn't they be public?  Why don't we know about them?



Sorry to post on my post, but come to think of it, why were this weekend's SW the only ones publicized?  Who alerted the media?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  Wow, dozens of search warrants, interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
No new clues after weekend search warrants
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Monday, September 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT
 
Investigators “didn’t find anything we’re excited about”


http://**/articles/2009/09/28/local_news/doc4ac0faeeaacf8870968264.txt

What a strange comment!!
I was sitting here thinking the same thing  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 04:10:54 PM
Monkeys ... I will be checking in but ... for the most part I will not be on the Lindsey Baum forum for a few days.  I am working with someone on a Natalee Holloway project and ... my undivided attention is required.

My prayer is that answers will be forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little girl and ... the justice process can begin.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
I just asked my husband, the worlds most paranoid man, this question.

Honey would you allow your daughter to walk at dusk from xxxx (the street just around the corner) to our house with XXX, my 12 year old son? He said, maybe if I knew they were together. ( I then plunked him on his head and reminded him the answer would be no!) Then I asked, if a friend of xxxx came over would it be ok to send her on her way, at dusk alone? He said, Hell no! As much as we want to blame MB the fact is Lindsey was not suppose to walk home alone, there was a plan in place. I still ask the question, if there was a plan in place for one, what was the plan for the other? Was MB expecting, lets say, kayla and her brother to walk Lindsey home because Josh was not with her? So maybe the answer to the question, why didn't MB worry about Lindsey after Josh returned home is, there was a plan that has been used prior she was relying on? Just thinking out loud.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 04:13:29 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry, that was a sarcastic answer on my part if you really don't know about Michelle Bart's history with the Anthony's of the Caylee Marie Anthony murder. I have as much distain for her as I do most of the other Anthony lovers. I apologize again. 

Ms. Bart has inserted herself in the Amber Dubois case and has caused a wedge in the family. She is a real piece of work.

But who is she? Is she a PI or something?

She is a "Public Relations" person. She charges a contract amount for her services as well as her expenses.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
i think these other search warrants need to be made public!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 04:21:30 PM
What is her service? A paid spokes person? Does she monitor the information coming in and going out? So why is she not holding press conferences? Who else besides MB does she communicate with?

Too bad about Ambers family, they all seemed together the last time I looked in. I pray and worry for that girl everyday.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 04:23:05 PM
my humble opinion is that 10:00 PM is too late for children of that age group to be out wandering around, walking to each other's home etc...whether alone or with a group....too young!!! jmo...and if a child was at my house at that time of night or near that time of night, I would have taken her home myself or called her mom to come and get her...everyone is different, not trying to pass judgment, but I know what I would have done...If I would have sent her along alone, (which I would not have done.)I would have at least called to make sure that mom knew that she was walking home and for her to call me when she got home...
I understand your feeling about children out at 10:00.  But is was still very light out.  People from Calif usually remark about how green everything is and how late it stays light out.  I was walking on the outskirts of McCleary Saturday afternoon and heard gunshots.  Probably kids shooting cans.  No big deal.  If that happened around my home, I would think someone was being shot.  So I try to get in the locals mindset and not get hung up on my belief.  One lady was washing her car and I remarked how quiet it was.  Her remark: Yes, I love it.  Kinda says it all.  shortcake

oh,,ok then...so you think that children that are 10 yrs old are ok to be out at 10PM at night by themselves?
I have been to California, used to live there....so you are saying that it is not dark at 10 pm?
never the less, I still think that children of that age need to be inside at 10PM...call me old fashioned or crazy...
if I heard gun shots anywhere I would be alarmed...but hey, we all look at things differently..hence the role that a forum plays in some ways...everyone has an opinion which is good! would be boring if we all thought alike..:)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 04:23:55 PM
Monkeys ... I will be checking in but ... for the most part I will not be on the Lindsey Baum forum for a few days.  I am working with someone on a Natalee Holloway project and ... my undivided attention is required.

My prayer is that answers will be forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little girl and ... the justice process can begin.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Will be waiting for you to return, hope your project is successful  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 04:24:30 PM
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   Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1843 on: September 27, 2009, 10:25:52 PM » 

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Quote from: JessStar on September 27, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Good point Jess.  Being an attorney, I bet you thought OJ should have retained one of you at the getgo because you never know when someone might plant a glove.  Hmmmmm.  Just a thought, but I do respect your point of view.  shortcake  

I was struggling with whether I wanted to respond to this or not and, well, I decided I probably should.  Why? Because I don't know how to take it.  I'm not sure what the phrase "one of you" means.  Is it meant to place the legal profession and ALL the lawyers that populate it in a negative light?  Is it meant to place ME in a negative light?  I'm not sure.  If it was, no offense, but it exhibits a level of ignorance that surpasses anything I've ever seen.  Just ask the guy from Texas who just spent the last 26 years of his life in prison because he was wrongfully convicted by an overzealous prosecutor that hid exculpatory evidence.  Or ask all of those who were wrongfully convicted by testimony offered by the disgraced Fred Zain.  http://www.truthinjustice.org/expertslie.htm   Or ask Bernard Baran who was wrongfully convicted of child molestation because the prosecution edited out exculpatory portions of the video tapes that were used to indict and convict him.   http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=986:man-served-22-years-on-false-child-molestation-charges-yet-the-prosecutor-who-convicted-him-isnt-even-inconvenienced&catid=14:governmental-corruption&Itemid=11

I can tell you, I never have, and I never will defend a "blue collar" criminal case.  And if I'm ever court appointed and forced to defend a case involving a crime upon a child, I will turn in my law license.  I swear to that, right hand to God.

I don't know whether the references to OJ were intended as pot shots or not.  I think they were.  But I hope everyone realizes that the OJ trial wasn't lost because of the ridiculous argument that the glove was planted.  The OJ case was lost because the seasoned F. Lee Bailey was able to get under "still wet behind the ears" Christopher Darden's skin and bait him into making a fatal mistake--asking OJ to try on the glove.  Let me tell you something--that glove woudn't have fit if it had been custom made to OJ's exacting specifications.  Remember, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!"  That little stunt gave OJ the opportunity to testify without actually testifying.  Brilliant, huh?  I guess it wasn't Darden's mistake that gave the defense the ammo it needed.  It was the baiting by "one of those" attorney types.

Anyway, I digress.  I'm not really offering my opinion on the topic.  I'm offering fact--there are bad cops, there are overzealous prosecutors and there are bad judges.  People can accept or reject what I said, I really don't care because, quite frankly, you're all adults and can do as you wish.  But I can recall post after post after post where individuals in this very cage suspected that local law enforcement may somehow be culpable in Lindsey's disappearance. Some have recently suggested that the mayor may know something and that LE may be covering for him.  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would open your doors to for an unbridled search just because they asked?  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would be 100% certain wouldn't be incentivized to try to frame you?  As you telling me that you would open your doors to a search just because someone happened to knock on your door dressed in a police uniform wearing a badge he or she might have purchased from one of those online spy sites and asked to search your home?  What about the dufus that recently dressed as a CPS officer, arrived at a womans home and presented her with an order to turn over her two young children to him?  He turned out to be a child predator masquerading as a CPS officer.  The order was bogus!  Thank God the woman was astute enough to question it.  So the issue isn't whether you have anything to hide.  The question is "What if they find something?"  There's a not-so-subtle difference there.

So if an officer ever knocks on your door asking to search your residence, and you willingly let him/her in because you have nothing to hide, and much to your amazement, they find something, let me guess who you'll be making one of your first calls to--"one of us."




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 04:28:32 PM
my humble opinion is that 10:00 PM is too late for children of that age group to be out wandering around, walking to each other's home etc...whether alone or with a group....too young!!! jmo...and if a child was at my house at that time of night or near that time of night, I would have taken her home myself or called her mom to come and get her...everyone is different, not trying to pass judgment, but I know what I would have done...If I would have sent her along alone, (which I would not have done.)I would have at least called to make sure that mom knew that she was walking home and for her to call me when she got home...
I understand your feeling about children out at 10:00.  But is was still very light out.  People from Calif usually remark about how green everything is and how late it stays light out.  I was walking on the outskirts of McCleary Saturday afternoon and heard gunshots.  Probably kids shooting cans.  No big deal.  If that happened around my home, I would think someone was being shot.  So I try to get in the locals mindset and not get hung up on my belief.  One lady was washing her car and I remarked how quiet it was.  Her remark: Yes, I love it.  Kinda says it all.  shortcake

oh,,ok then...so you think that children that are 10 yrs old are ok to be out at 10PM at night by themselves?
I have been to California, used to live there....so you are saying that it is not dark at 10 pm?
never the less, I still think that children of that age need to be inside at 10PM...call me old fashioned or crazy...
if I heard gun shots anywhere I would be alarmed...but hey, we all look at things differently..hence the role that a forum plays in some ways...everyone has an opinion which is good! would be boring if we all thought alike..:)
I live in California, no way is it light at 10pm. I don't know I just know my rules would be for curfew earlier then 10pm for Lindsey and Josh, for goodness sake just because Josh is a boy, doesn't mean he can't be kidnapped. I guess everyone has there own rules. Gun shots, I would be freaked at gun shots, whether day or night  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
JessStar....mucho respect to you! great great post! imo of course....^^^^^^^^
I am glad that we have a professional like yourself on this forum to bounce things off of...we are lucky to have you!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
On PAGE 93, shortcake wrote:

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   Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1843 on: September 27, 2009, 10:25:52 PM » 

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Quote from: JessStar on September 27, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Good point Jess.  Being an attorney, I bet you thought OJ should have retained one of you at the getgo because you never know when someone might plant a glove.  Hmmmmm.  Just a thought, but I do respect your point of view.  shortcake  

I was struggling with whether I wanted to respond to this or not and, well, I decided I probably should.  Why? Because I don't know how to take it.  I'm not sure what the phrase "one of you" means.  Is it meant to place the legal profession and ALL the lawyers that populate it in a negative light?  Is it meant to place ME in a negative light?  I'm not sure.  If it was, no offense, but it exhibits a level of ignorance that surpasses anything I've ever seen.  Just ask the guy from Texas who just spent the last 26 years of his life in prison because he was wrongfully convicted by an overzealous prosecutor that hid exculpatory evidence.  Or ask all of those who were wrongfully convicted by testimony offered by the disgraced Fred Zain.  http://www.truthinjustice.org/expertslie.htm   Or ask Bernard Baran who was wrongfully convicted of child molestation because the prosecution edited out exculpatory portions of the video tapes that were used to indict and convict him.   http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=986:man-served-22-years-on-false-child-molestation-charges-yet-the-prosecutor-who-convicted-him-isnt-even-inconvenienced&catid=14:governmental-corruption&Itemid=11

I can tell you, I never have, and I never will defend a "blue collar" criminal case.  And if I'm ever court appointed and forced to defend a case involving a crime upon a child, I will turn in my law license.  I swear to that, right hand to God.

I don't know whether the references to OJ were intended as pot shots or not.  I think they were.  But I hope everyone realizes that the OJ trial wasn't lost because of the ridiculous argument that the glove was planted.  The OJ case was lost because the seasoned F. Lee Bailey was able to get under "still wet behind the ears" Christopher Darden's skin and bait him into making a fatal mistake--asking OJ to try on the glove.  Let me tell you something--that glove woudn't have fit if it had been custom made to OJ's exacting specifications.  Remember, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!"  That little stunt gave OJ the opportunity to testify without actually testifying.  Brilliant, huh?  I guess it wasn't Darden's mistake that gave the defense the ammo it needed.  It was the baiting by "one of those" attorney types.

Anyway, I digress.  I'm not really offering my opinion on the topic.  I'm offering fact--there are bad cops, there are overzealous prosecutors and there are bad judges.  People can accept or reject what I said, I really don't care because, quite frankly, you're all adults and can do as you wish.  But I can recall post after post after post where individuals in this very cage suspected that local law enforcement may somehow be culpable in Lindsey's disappearance. Some have recently suggested that the mayor may know something and that LE may be covering for him.  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would open your doors to for an unbridled search just because they asked?  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would be 100% certain wouldn't be incentivized to try to frame you?  As you telling me that you would open your doors to a search just because someone happened to knock on your door dressed in a police uniform wearing a badge he or she might have purchased from one of those online spy sites and asked to search your home?  What about the dufus that recently dressed as a CPS officer, arrived at a womans home and presented her with an order to turn over her two young children to him?  He turned out to be a child predator masquerading as a CPS officer.  The order was bogus!  Thank God the woman was astute enough to question it.  So the issue isn't whether you have anything to hide.  The question is "What if they find something?"  There's a not-so-subtle difference there.

So if an officer ever knocks on your door asking to search your residence, and you willingly let him/her in because you have nothing to hide, and much to your amazement, they find something, let me guess who you'll be making one of your first calls to--"one of us."




Great post JessStar...I very much respect your integrity and knowledge.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 04:31:27 PM
JessStar....mucho respect to you! great great post! imo of course....^^^^^^^^
I am glad that we have a professional like yourself on this forum to bounce things off of...we are lucky to have you!!!
I agree  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 04:32:33 PM
my humble opinion is that 10:00 PM is too late for children of that age group to be out wandering around, walking to each other's home etc...whether alone or with a group....too young!!! jmo...and if a child was at my house at that time of night or near that time of night, I would have taken her home myself or called her mom to come and get her...everyone is different, not trying to pass judgment, but I know what I would have done...If I would have sent her along alone, (which I would not have done.)I would have at least called to make sure that mom knew that she was walking home and for her to call me when she got home...
I understand your feeling about children out at 10:00.  But is was still very light out.  People from Calif usually remark about how green everything is and how late it stays light out.  I was walking on the outskirts of McCleary Saturday afternoon and heard gunshots.  Probably kids shooting cans.  No big deal.  If that happened around my home, I would think someone was being shot.  So I try to get in the locals mindset and not get hung up on my belief.  One lady was washing her car and I remarked how quiet it was.  Her remark: Yes, I love it.  Kinda says it all.  shortcake

oh,,ok then...so you think that children that are 10 yrs old are ok to be out at 10PM at night by themselves?
I have been to California, used to live there....so you are saying that it is not dark at 10 pm?
never the less, I still think that children of that age need to be inside at 10PM...call me old fashioned or crazy...
if I heard gun shots anywhere I would be alarmed...but hey, we all look at things differently..hence the role that a forum plays in some ways...everyone has an opinion which is good! would be boring if we all thought alike..:)
I live in California, no way is it light at 10pm. I don't know I just know my rules would be for curfew earlier then 10pm for Lindsey and Josh, for goodness sake just because Josh is a boy, doesn't mean he can't be kidnapped. I guess everyone has there own rules. Gun shots, I would be freaked at gun shots, whether day or night  ::MonkeyEek::

ITA!!! wow! thought that I was really being over protective with the grand daughters...none of the kids in my neighborhood or grand daughters neighborhood at that age are allowed outside  at that time unless their parents  are outside as well..such as a neighborhood bonfire ....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
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Quote from: JessStar on September 27, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Good point Jess.  Being an attorney, I bet you thought OJ should have retained one of you at the getgo because you never know when someone might plant a glove.  Hmmmmm.  Just a thought, but I do respect your point of view.  shortcake  

I was struggling with whether I wanted to respond to this or not and, well, I decided I probably should.  Why? Because I don't know how to take it.  I'm not sure what the phrase "one of you" means.  Is it meant to place the legal profession and ALL the lawyers that populate it in a negative light?  Is it meant to place ME in a negative light?  I'm not sure.  If it was, no offense, but it exhibits a level of ignorance that surpasses anything I've ever seen.  Just ask the guy from Texas who just spent the last 26 years of his life in prison because he was wrongfully convicted by an overzealous prosecutor that hid exculpatory evidence.  Or ask all of those who were wrongfully convicted by testimony offered by the disgraced Fred Zain.  http://www.truthinjustice.org/expertslie.htm   Or ask Bernard Baran who was wrongfully convicted of child molestation because the prosecution edited out exculpatory portions of the video tapes that were used to indict and convict him.   http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=986:man-served-22-years-on-false-child-molestation-charges-yet-the-prosecutor-who-convicted-him-isnt-even-inconvenienced&catid=14:governmental-corruption&Itemid=11

I can tell you, I never have, and I never will defend a "blue collar" criminal case.  And if I'm ever court appointed and forced to defend a case involving a crime upon a child, I will turn in my law license.  I swear to that, right hand to God.

I don't know whether the references to OJ were intended as pot shots or not.  I think they were.  But I hope everyone realizes that the OJ trial wasn't lost because of the ridiculous argument that the glove was planted.  The OJ case was lost because the seasoned F. Lee Bailey was able to get under "still wet behind the ears" Christopher Darden's skin and bait him into making a fatal mistake--asking OJ to try on the glove.  Let me tell you something--that glove woudn't have fit if it had been custom made to OJ's exacting specifications.  Remember, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!"  That little stunt gave OJ the opportunity to testify without actually testifying.  Brilliant, huh?  I guess it wasn't Darden's mistake that gave the defense the ammo it needed.  It was the baiting by "one of those" attorney types.

Anyway, I digress.  I'm not really offering my opinion on the topic.  I'm offering fact--there are bad cops, there are overzealous prosecutors and there are bad judges.  People can accept or reject what I said, I really don't care because, quite frankly, you're all adults and can do as you wish.  But I can recall post after post after post where individuals in this very cage suspected that local law enforcement may somehow be culpable in Lindsey's disappearance. Some have recently suggested that the mayor may know something and that LE may be covering for him.  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would open your doors to for an unbridled search just because they asked?  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would be 100% certain wouldn't be incentivized to try to frame you?  As you telling me that you would open your doors to a search just because someone happened to knock on your door dressed in a police uniform wearing a badge he or she might have purchased from one of those online spy sites and asked to search your home?  What about the dufus that recently dressed as a CPS officer, arrived at a womans home and presented her with an order to turn over her two young children to him?  He turned out to be a child predator masquerading as a CPS officer.  The order was bogus!  Thank God the woman was astute enough to question it.  So the issue isn't whether you have anything to hide.  The question is "What if they find something?"  There's a not-so-subtle difference there.

So if an officer ever knocks on your door asking to search your residence, and you willingly let him/her in because you have nothing to hide, and much to your amazement, they find something, let me guess who you'll be making one of your first calls to--"one of us."


JessStar, you are absolutely right and I am absolutely wrong.  Of course someone can be masquerading -- truth be told, I hadn't thought of that.  Just because I know most of LE in my community, the truth is I don't know all of them.  Thank you ever so much.  Man, do I have liver on my face or what.  You really don't know how much I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Yes, I think the comment was meant to offend, but I have read enough of your posts to know you rise above such pettiness and cut to the chase.  I appreciate that as well.
If you have time to answer, can you shed any light on the past search warrants and if that is public information.  The Florida Sunshine Laws spoil us readers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 04:37:23 PM
I think Kara needs to answer the question about why Lindsey was out by herself at 9:30....We asked and she said something like, if she knew then what she knows now blah, blah, blah....It is too easy to simply say that in my opinion. She was not from a small town, I don't believe she had that small town mentality to this point. I am not sure what to think about the phone, seems kind of convenient her cell had died and was recharging, maybe I am just being overly suspicious but it does. I suppose Lindsey just had bad luck...She left her phone at home, josh got sent home, she was sent on her marry way alone, Kara's phone didn't work...What about Kayla's phone, does she have one? did MB call Kayla's phone?

*tapping fingers*....something is just not fitting together.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 04:44:38 PM
i know from my own experience when my cell phone battery dies, and i put it on the charger, i dont always remember to immidately turn it on. and MK doesnt have a cell phone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 04:57:05 PM
I also think that even though we know bad things happen, we still think it cant/wont happen to us. this is as close to home as it gets for me outside of my own immidiate family and sad to say I am still doing things i probably shouldnt after what has happened to MB.  My daughter starts college in a week and will be commuting to seattle. I am hoping she meets people right away that maybe want to carpool so they can all save on gas money. My dad said to me 'make sure she carpools with some females and not any creepy males'.  do you think any thought like that even crossed my mind? nope... and  our other 2 girls ages 12 and 10 go out and jump on the trampoline in my front yard.  I have heard about kids getting snagged right out of their yards but i still let them do it. my curtain is open, i can see them but i am not standing out there with them always.  so i guess that makes me a horrible mother in the eyes of many.

and more of my blondeness,, i never realized till right this minute that clicking on those lil monkey things makes them appear in the posts! lol ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 04:58:58 PM
Thank you for that answer MM. I have asked several people, literally, lol. Some of the phones apparently you have to turn on, some you just have to place on the craddle and it will turn on once enough battery power is charged. But at some point the phone did ring because MB got through, am I too assume she turned it on? she also states she didn't have much battery power, only one bar although it sat on the craddle. Hmmmm I still have not put my finger on what is it about this taht has me questioning.   
Do you know if there was a plan in place in the case Linsdey was ever to walk home from Kayla's and Josh was not with her? If it was something done for Kayla, then was it something done for Lindsey usually?

Am I correct in my thinking that MB believed there was a plan in place to prevent LB from walking home alone that night....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 05:00:54 PM
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« Reply #1843 on: September 27, 2009, 10:25:52 PM » 

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Quote from: JessStar on September 27, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Good point Jess.  Being an attorney, I bet you thought OJ should have retained one of you at the getgo because you never know when someone might plant a glove.  Hmmmmm.  Just a thought, but I do respect your point of view.  shortcake  

I was struggling with whether I wanted to respond to this or not and, well, I decided I probably should.  Why? Because I don't know how to take it.  I'm not sure what the phrase "one of you" means.  Is it meant to place the legal profession and ALL the lawyers that populate it in a negative light?  Is it meant to place ME in a negative light?  I'm not sure.  If it was, no offense, but it exhibits a level of ignorance that surpasses anything I've ever seen.  Just ask the guy from Texas who just spent the last 26 years of his life in prison because he was wrongfully convicted by an overzealous prosecutor that hid exculpatory evidence.  Or ask all of those who were wrongfully convicted by testimony offered by the disgraced Fred Zain.  http://www.truthinjustice.org/expertslie.htm   Or ask Bernard Baran who was wrongfully convicted of child molestation because the prosecution edited out exculpatory portions of the video tapes that were used to indict and convict him.   http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=986:man-served-22-years-on-false-child-molestation-charges-yet-the-prosecutor-who-convicted-him-isnt-even-inconvenienced&catid=14:governmental-corruption&Itemid=11

I can tell you, I never have, and I never will defend a "blue collar" criminal case.  And if I'm ever court appointed and forced to defend a case involving a crime upon a child, I will turn in my law license.  I swear to that, right hand to God.

I don't know whether the references to OJ were intended as pot shots or not.  I think they were.  But I hope everyone realizes that the OJ trial wasn't lost because of the ridiculous argument that the glove was planted.  The OJ case was lost because the seasoned F. Lee Bailey was able to get under "still wet behind the ears" Christopher Darden's skin and bait him into making a fatal mistake--asking OJ to try on the glove.  Let me tell you something--that glove woudn't have fit if it had been custom made to OJ's exacting specifications.  Remember, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!"  That little stunt gave OJ the opportunity to testify without actually testifying.  Brilliant, huh?  I guess it wasn't Darden's mistake that gave the defense the ammo it needed.  It was the baiting by "one of those" attorney types.

Anyway, I digress.  I'm not really offering my opinion on the topic.  I'm offering fact--there are bad cops, there are overzealous prosecutors and there are bad judges.  People can accept or reject what I said, I really don't care because, quite frankly, you're all adults and can do as you wish.  But I can recall post after post after post where individuals in this very cage suspected that local law enforcement may somehow be culpable in Lindsey's disappearance. Some have recently suggested that the mayor may know something and that LE may be covering for him.  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would open your doors to for an unbridled search just because they asked?  Are those the same law enforcement officers that you would be 100% certain wouldn't be incentivized to try to frame you?  As you telling me that you would open your doors to a search just because someone happened to knock on your door dressed in a police uniform wearing a badge he or she might have purchased from one of those online spy sites and asked to search your home?  What about the dufus that recently dressed as a CPS officer, arrived at a womans home and presented her with an order to turn over her two young children to him?  He turned out to be a child predator masquerading as a CPS officer.  The order was bogus!  Thank God the woman was astute enough to question it.  So the issue isn't whether you have anything to hide.  The question is "What if they find something?"  There's a not-so-subtle difference there.

So if an officer ever knocks on your door asking to search your residence, and you willingly let him/her in because you have nothing to hide, and much to your amazement, they find something, let me guess who you'll be making one of your first calls to--"one of us."


JessStar, you are absolutely right and I am absolutely wrong.  Of course someone can be masquerading -- truth be told, I hadn't thought of that.  Just because I know most of LE in my community, the truth is I don't know all of them.  Thank you ever so much.  Man, do I have liver on my face or what.  You really don't know how much I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Yes, I think the comment was meant to offend, but I have read enough of your posts to know you rise above such pettiness and cut to the chase.  I appreciate that as well.
If you have time to answer, can you shed any light on the past search warrants and if that is public information.  The Florida Sunshine Laws spoil us readers.

Thank you, everyone, for your kind words.  Sister, it's not really a question of who is right and who is wrong.  It's a question of overcoming our human instincts to trust others and protect ourselves.  It's human nature to (a) want to be helpful (b) respect authority and (c) trust others.  Unfortunately, it is those characteristics that criminals prey upon to successfully commit and hide their crimes.

I'll answer your other question in a separate post.






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 05:03:19 PM
I don't think anyone is a terrible mother, we all just come different.
BTW, it took me a few months to see the "more" link by the monkeys. I always wondered where everyone got the little heads from, lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 05:04:51 PM
Oh jess, you know, I know you rock!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
I also think that even though we know bad things happen, we still think it cant/wont happen to us. this is as close to home as it gets for me outside of my own immidiate family and sad to say I am still doing things i probably shouldnt after what has happened to MB.  My daughter starts college in a week and will be commuting to seattle. I am hoping she meets people right away that maybe want to carpool so they can all save on gas money. My dad said to me 'make sure she carpools with some females and not any creepy males'.  do you think any thought like that even crossed my mind? nope... and  our other 2 girls ages 12 and 10 go out and jump on the trampoline in my front yard.  I have heard about kids getting snagged right out of their yards but i still let them do it. my curtain is open, i can see them but i am not standing out there with them always.  so i guess that makes me a horrible mother in the eyes of many.

and more of my blondeness,, i never realized till right this minute that clicking on those lil monkey things makes them appear in the posts! lol ::MonkeyHaHa::

nope..don't think that you are a bad mom at all...you just might be a little more trusting than others are.
but jumping on a trampoline in your front yard while you can look out the window to see them is a bit different than walking on neighborhood streets at 9:30 or 10:00 at night alone.. right? .jmo...
I am assuming that you live near where LB  lived? is there any fear to let children out alone since her disappearance? are parents more on guard now or do the locals consider it an isolated incident? with a child missing and no one knowing what happened to her, wouldn't parents be up in arms or are they? thanks for the info....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 05:11:02 PM
Thank you for that answer MM. I have asked several people, literally, lol. Some of the phones apparently you have to turn on, some you just have to place on the craddle and it will turn on once enough battery power is charged. But at some point the phone did ring because MB got through, am I too assume she turned it on? she also states she didn't have much battery power, only one bar although it sat on the craddle. Hmmmm I still have not put my finger on what is it about this taht has me questioning.   
Do you know if there was a plan in place in the case Linsdey was ever to walk home from Kayla's and Josh was not with her? If it was something done for Kayla, then was it something done for Lindsey usually?

Am I correct in my thinking that MB believed there was a plan in place to prevent LB from walking home alone that night....

I actually do not know the answer to that. I had never met KK prior to this. Outside of the normal griping or bragging about our children, MB and I didnt discuss those kind of things.  My child and hers have a large age span so they didnt hang out except when mine babysat them. Mark's girls that we now have custody of have never met MB's kids because LJ was missing prior to our hearing. So again something we just didnt talk about.  Yes there was a plan in place that night with jb walking with them. no one forsaw the arguement happening and jb going back home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 05:13:52 PM
I also think that even though we know bad things happen, we still think it cant/wont happen to us. this is as close to home as it gets for me outside of my own immidiate family and sad to say I am still doing things i probably shouldnt after what has happened to MB.  My daughter starts college in a week and will be commuting to seattle. I am hoping she meets people right away that maybe want to carpool so they can all save on gas money. My dad said to me 'make sure she carpools with some females and not any creepy males'.  do you think any thought like that even crossed my mind? nope... and  our other 2 girls ages 12 and 10 go out and jump on the trampoline in my front yard.  I have heard about kids getting snagged right out of their yards but i still let them do it. my curtain is open, i can see them but i am not standing out there with them always.  so i guess that makes me a horrible mother in the eyes of many.

and more of my blondeness,, i never realized till right this minute that clicking on those lil monkey things makes them appear in the posts! lol ::MonkeyHaHa::

Adorable baby Melissa.     

Perhaps my family is over protective, but although the girls will walk to a friends house after school, they are all tucked in bed by 9 during the school year, and no later than 10 during the summer.  The oldest is 10.  They live in the Seattle area, and there would be no way they would be out of their own home after 7PM on any night, unless they are with their parents. 

My cell phone, even if it is off, still registers calls missed, or messages left. I also do not think to leave it on 'on purpose' while it is charging. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 05:16:49 PM
Here's the answe about the search warrants:

Washington ARLJ Rule 9:  Disclosure of records

   (a) Public records: Unless the trial judge rules otherwise in a particular case, the following are considered public records and may be viewed and copied by the public:

   (5) Search warrants, affidavits, and inventories, after execution and return of the warrant.


Here's how the Washington Supreme Court has interpreted the rule:

. . .indiscriminate disclosure of these records may unnecessarily embarrass the subject of an unfruitful search, may allow a suspect to escape arrest or destroy evidence, and may discourage informants from providing information out of fear for their safety and well-being. These and other interests must be weighed carefully by judges in exercising their discretion.

The public's interest in an open legal process convinces us that our judicial process is best served by ordering that these records should be available to the public. At the same time we recognize that in some cases justice will not be served by public access. We therefore adopt the following procedures for the handling of search warrants:

1. Absent objection, an executed search warrant and the records pertaining thereto should be filed.

2. Interested parties may request that a search warrant not be filed. Those entitled to so request include:

(a) the subject of the search

(b) law enforcement officials

(c) informants upon whose information the affidavit of probable cause was issued. These parties are the ones whose interests would be jeopardized by filing.

3. The objector to the filing must demonstrate that filing of the documents presents a substantial threat to one of the interests outlined above or another significant interest.

The person who objects to the filing of a search warrant must state specific reasons for the need for confidentiality.

4. The magistrate or judge must weigh the competing interests involved with making the documents a matter of public record, and determine whether a substantial threat exists to the interests of effective law enforcement, or individual privacy and safety. In addition, the judge must determine whether these interests might be served by deletion of the harmful material.

(Cowles Publishing Company v. James Murphy, et al.,96 Wn.2d 584; 637 P.2d 966; 1981 Wash. LEXIS 1365; 7 Media L. Rep. 2400 (WA 1981 )



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 05:22:04 PM
melissa-that baby is adorable! look at those eyes!

okay i hope i dont get anything thrown at me for asking this question, but i'm wonder what kona's son's alibi was the night lb was missing? i am not saying i think he is involved at all, but im wondering what the alibi was if anyone can answer that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 05:23:47 PM

nope..don't think that you are a bad mom at all...you just might be a little more trusting than others are.
but jumping on a trampoline in your front yard while you can look out the window to see them is a bit different than walking on neighborhood streets at 9:30 or 10:00 at night alone.. right? .jmo...
I am assuming that you live near where LB  lived? is there any fear to let children out alone since her disappearance? are parents more on guard now or do the locals consider it an isolated incident? with a child missing and no one knowing what happened to her, wouldn't parents be up in arms or are they? thanks for the info....

I live 8 miles away. I have noticed that LJ's disappearnce is a topic of convo every where you go. I have a lot of customers with children who say there keep reiterating to their own children that this situation is exactly why things are done a certain way within their own rules.  Some of those customers who do live right in town McCleary have told me they dont see as many kids out as before or out as late. It wasnt just MB's kids that are out after 9pm in the summer time. with day light lasting til 10pm for part of the summer i see them all over my streets as well. this summer i didnt have nearly half the kids come in alone as i did last summer. I am right center on main st in the couple blocks of businesses and i will be the first to say it would anger me when a 6 or 7 year old would come in alone knowing they walked here alone because of all the traffic on main street.  So in my own oppinion yes this has been a temporary wake up call.  I think once we find out what happened to LJ, depending on the circumstances, many people may go back to their old habits.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 05:27:17 PM
Melissa can you answer the following questions:

Are you aware of the other numerous search warrants issued in the past 3 months, other than this weekend?

Do you know who the other 2 eyewitnesses are that saw Lindsey that night?  Have you/MB/KK, etc. talked to them and do you know exactly what was said?   I ask this realizing that a poster at WS (JxxxxO) has posted that she at least knows who 1 is but will not divulge and would not give reasons  as to why.  If SHE knows, I would expect you or your friends, acquaintances(Kara) would  know.  Why the secrecy?

Will Lindsey's mom provide us a timeline of Lindsey's  activities the day she went missing?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
Here's the answe about the search warrants:

Washington ARLJ Rule 9:  Disclosure of records

   (a) Public records: Unless the trial judge rules otherwise in a particular case, the following are considered public records and may be viewed and copied by the public:

   (5) Search warrants, affidavits, and inventories, after execution and return of the warrant.


Here's how the Washington Supreme Court has interpreted the rule:

. . .indiscriminate disclosure of these records may unnecessarily embarrass the subject of an unfruitful search, may allow a suspect to escape arrest or destroy evidence, and may discourage informants from providing information out of fear for their safety and well-being. These and other interests must be weighed carefully by judges in exercising their discretion.

The public's interest in an open legal process convinces us that our judicial process is best served by ordering that these records should be available to the public. At the same time we recognize that in some cases justice will not be served by public access. We therefore adopt the following procedures for the handling of search warrants:

1. Absent objection, an executed search warrant and the records pertaining thereto should be filed.

2. Interested parties may request that a search warrant not be filed. Those entitled to so request include:

(a) the subject of the search

(b) law enforcement officials

(c) informants upon whose information the affidavit of probable cause was issued. These parties are the ones whose interests would be jeopardized by filing.

3. The objector to the filing must demonstrate that filing of the documents presents a substantial threat to one of the interests outlined above or another significant interest.

The person who objects to the filing of a search warrant must state specific reasons for the need for confidentiality.

4. The magistrate or judge must weigh the competing interests involved with making the documents a matter of public record, and determine whether a substantial threat exists to the interests of effective law enforcement, or individual privacy and safety. In addition, the judge must determine whether these interests might be served by deletion of the harmful material.

(Cowles Publishing Company v. James Murphy, et al.,96 Wn.2d 584; 637 P.2d 966; 1981 Wash. LEXIS 1365; 7 Media L. Rep. 2400 (WA 1981 )


Thank you again JessStar.  So the warrants have to be executed and then it is still possible for then not to be filed.  I appreciate this slice of the case law.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
MM thanks for the reply!
cute cute baby!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 05:33:42 PM
Thank you for that answer MM. I have asked several people, literally, lol. Some of the phones apparently you have to turn on, some you just have to place on the craddle and it will turn on once enough battery power is charged. But at some point the phone did ring because MB got through, am I too assume she turned it on? she also states she didn't have much battery power, only one bar although it sat on the craddle. Hmmmm I still have not put my finger on what is it about this taht has me questioning.   
Do you know if there was a plan in place in the case Linsdey was ever to walk home from Kayla's and Josh was not with her? If it was something done for Kayla, then was it something done for Lindsey usually?

Am I correct in my thinking that MB believed there was a plan in place to prevent LB from walking home alone that night....

I actually do not know the answer to that. I had never met KK prior to this. Outside of the normal griping or bragging about our children, MB and I didnt discuss those kind of things.  My child and hers have a large age span so they didnt hang out except when mine babysat them. Mark's girls that we now have custody of have never met MB's kids because LJ was missing prior to our hearing. So again something we just didnt talk about.  Yes there was a plan in place that night with jb walking with them. no one forsaw the arguement happening and jb going back home.

However ... considering Josh Baum was instructed to go home and ... considering it was not a given that Kayla would be allowed to spend the night at the Baum residence ... Melissa Baum must have realized that Lindsey would possibly be returning home on her own.  If Melissa Baum could not contact Kara Kampan on her cell ... then the safety of her daughter dictates that she would have began that walk to the Kampens to escort her daughter home.

On the other hand ... if Josh never returned home as instructed by the family friend who intervened following the argument ... Melissa Baum would be under the false impression that Josh and Lindsey would be together on the walk home from the Kampen/Williams.  Then Tamikosmom would give Melissa's mother get a pass but ... the question would be "Where was Josh ... the brother whose sister and friend got under his skin less than an hour prior."

Janet

++++++

The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 05:38:04 PM
Thank you for that answer MM. I have asked several people, literally, lol. Some of the phones apparently you have to turn on, some you just have to place on the craddle and it will turn on once enough battery power is charged. But at some point the phone did ring because MB got through, am I too assume she turned it on? she also states she didn't have much battery power, only one bar although it sat on the craddle. Hmmmm I still have not put my finger on what is it about this taht has me questioning.   
Do you know if there was a plan in place in the case Linsdey was ever to walk home from Kayla's and Josh was not with her? If it was something done for Kayla, then was it something done for Lindsey usually?

Am I correct in my thinking that MB believed there was a plan in place to prevent LB from walking home alone that night....

I actually do not know the answer to that. I had never met KK prior to this. Outside of the normal griping or bragging about our children, MB and I didnt discuss those kind of things.  My child and hers have a large age span so they didnt hang out except when mine babysat them. Mark's girls that we now have custody of have never met MB's kids because LJ was missing prior to our hearing. So again something we just didnt talk about.  Yes there was a plan in place that night with jb walking with them. no one forsaw the arguement happening and jb going back home.

Oh my goodness that baby is just so darn cute!
Thank you for the reply. Do you know if there was a plan in place for the times Lindsey would leave Kara's and Josh was not with her? Did MB call and leave a message on Kara's phone, has that been asked? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 05:42:16 PM
Thank you for that answer MM. I have asked several people, literally, lol. Some of the phones apparently you have to turn on, some you just have to place on the craddle and it will turn on once enough battery power is charged. But at some point the phone did ring because MB got through, am I too assume she turned it on? she also states she didn't have much battery power, only one bar although it sat on the craddle. Hmmmm I still have not put my finger on what is it about this taht has me questioning.   
Do you know if there was a plan in place in the case Linsdey was ever to walk home from Kayla's and Josh was not with her? If it was something done for Kayla, then was it something done for Lindsey usually?

Am I correct in my thinking that MB believed there was a plan in place to prevent LB from walking home alone that night....

I actually do not know the answer to that. I had never met KK prior to this. Outside of the normal griping or bragging about our children, MB and I didnt discuss those kind of things.  My child and hers have a large age span so they didnt hang out except when mine babysat them. Mark's girls that we now have custody of have never met MB's kids because LJ was missing prior to our hearing. So again something we just didnt talk about.  Yes there was a plan in place that night with jb walking with them. no one forsaw the arguement happening and jb going back home.

Oh my goodness that baby is just so darn cute!
Thank you for the reply. Do you know if there was a plan in place for the times Lindsey would leave Kara's and Josh was not with her? Did MB call and leave a message on Kara's phone, has that been asked? 

Melissa Baum stated herself that she did not begin to get worried until the 10:00 PM curfew passed.

Janet

+++++++

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 05:44:42 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.

Madre

Where did you read or hear that the family friend who intervened texted Melissa Baum in regards to the argument.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 05:46:17 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 05:46:41 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.

Madre

Where did you read or hear that the family friend who intervened texted Melissa Baum in regards to the argument.

Thanks

Janet



Janet, give me some time to go look.  I think I  know, but don't want to say until I go back and look.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 05:49:56 PM
If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
I remember that, couldn't tell you when and where I read that  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 05:53:21 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
These are basic questions  ::MonkeyEek:: But basic questions don't seem to get answered very well  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 05:53:24 PM
thank you I think she is pretty darn adorable myself.

i dont know anything more about search warrants than the rest of you. i heard it on the media and called mb. she said she wasnt given any information at that time other than they were the result of the investigation.

as for the witnesses, i wasnt aware it was a secret. I dont konw the people that live over there. I know the person who told jb to go home during the arguement is someone who was a co-worker of mb.  I haven't met her. I am sure her name was said in my presence but I dont recall.

I know MB had to give a timeline to LE best she could. I also know she tries to stay off these boards as so many horrible things are said,,,, examples the posts just a couple pages back judging her as a parent. i wouldnt want to come on here and read them either if I was her. She doesnt have the strong rutheless personality that I have and I know she has been upset by a few of the things I told her that was posted in the beginning. Or maybe she is the bigger person who would walk away in a fight where as i would fight back. For her, she has enough emotional stress going on but i will see if there is something somewhere for a time line but i thought it has been addressed by KK at some point.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 05:56:01 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.

Tracygirl, I don't know that Melissa Bart is the spokesperson.  All I know is she was in town at least once and communicated with MB.
I don't remember reading about a text message or page to MB -- not saying it didn't happen, I just don't recall reading it.  Can you page on a regular phone.  I'm confused. I didn't think MB had a cell phone.  Of course, Lindsey's cell phone was at the house, do you still have her on your plan MM?  I suppose MB would love for that to ring with her sweet child on the other end.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:05:08 PM
thank you I think she is pretty darn adorable myself.

i dont know anything more about search warrants than the rest of you. i heard it on the media and called mb. she said she wasnt given any information at that time other than they were the result of the investigation.

as for the witnesses, i wasnt aware it was a secret. I dont konw the people that live over there. I know the person who told jb to go home during the arguement is someone who was a co-worker of mb.  I haven't met her. I am sure her name was said in my presence but I dont recall.

I know MB had to give a timeline to LE best she could. I also know she tries to stay off these boards as so many horrible things are said,,,, examples the posts just a couple pages back judging her as a parent. i wouldnt want to come on here and read them either if I was her. She doesnt have the strong rutheless personality that I have and I know she has been upset by a few of the things I told her that was posted in the beginning. Or maybe she is the bigger person who would walk away in a fight where as i would fight back. For her, she has enough emotional stress going on but i will see if there is something somewhere for a time line but i thought it has been addressed by KK at some point.

But, Melissa, the point is for Lindsey's mom HERSELF to give a timeline, not Kara.  Just saying.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 06:05:17 PM
I also think that even though we know bad things happen, we still think it cant/wont happen to us. this is as close to home as it gets for me outside of my own immidiate family and sad to say I am still doing things i probably shouldnt after what has happened to MB.  My daughter starts college in a week and will be commuting to seattle. I am hoping she meets people right away that maybe want to carpool so they can all save on gas money. My dad said to me 'make sure she carpools with some females and not any creepy males'.  do you think any thought like that even crossed my mind? nope... and  our other 2 girls ages 12 and 10 go out and jump on the trampoline in my front yard.  I have heard about kids getting snagged right out of their yards but i still let them do it. my curtain is open, i can see them but i am not standing out there with them always.  so i guess that makes me a horrible mother in the eyes of many.

and more of my blondeness,, i never realized till right this minute that clicking on those lil monkey things makes them appear in the posts! lol ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyMad::

The snatching of a child within his/her own yard while Mom is inside the house is nothing akin to allowing a child to walk the streets of town at dusk unable to defend herself from the unseen dangers that lurk.  Melissa Baum and Kara Kampen made selfish neglectful choices that had nothing to do with the well being of a child and ... the outcome is that a little girl is now missing and most like deceased.

Taking personal responsibility and learning is where it is at ... not justifying.

Janet

++++++


Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have  contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:31 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Northern Rose
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
It was posted on here somewhere that the witness to send Josh home was a person MB worked with at one time.

Thank you sister for the response about Michelle Bart. Seems strange though no one is acting as a spokes person. That seems it is usually done.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 06:11:18 PM
Janet, I couldn't agree more  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
KaraK wrote:

Quote
1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead. 


KaraK wrote(same post):

Quote
2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:11:55 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.

Tracygirl, I don't know that Melissa Bart is the spokesperson.  All I know is she was in town at least once and communicated with MB.
I don't remember reading about a text message or page to MB -- not saying it didn't happen, I just don't recall reading it.  Can you page on a regular phone.  I'm confused. I didn't think MB had a cell phone.  Of course, Lindsey's cell phone was at the house, do you still have her on your plan MM?  I suppose MB would love for that to ring with her sweet child on the other end.

My bad  Sister...   This person TEXTED, not paged MB, according to this poster.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 28, 2009, 06:15:11 PM
MB does have a cell. She too is on my account. LJ's phone is still in the hands of the fbi. I am sure they too would love to have it ring and have it be LJ on the other end!

MB has not hired Michelle Bart. There hasnt even been a conversation of that possibility between the two of them.

JB just walked through my door so I will be back shortly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:16:32 PM
I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???

Klaasend, can I?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???

As long as you provide a link, I'm pretty sure its fine.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 06:21:17 PM
I keep reading about Michelle bart, who is this person who has such a bad rap on here? Why is she trouble? I don't get it, can you explain?

Just say "Anthony's!" Let me count the ways!  ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry, that was a sarcastic answer on my part if you really don't know about Michelle Bart's history with the Anthony's of the Caylee Marie Anthony murder. I have as much distain for her as I do most of the other Anthony lovers. I apologize again. 

Ms. Bart has inserted herself in the Amber Dubois case and has caused a wedge in the family. She is a real piece of work.

But who is she? Is she a PI or something?


<snipped>
The Caylee Anthony case is a very strange place, peppered with strange people. There are certain names that just keep coming up, and one of those names is Michelle Bart. You may remember her as the spokesman for the Anthony family, finally handing the baton to Mark NeJame/Brad Conway. Of course she also had dealings with the rather dubious foundation Kid Finders set up be entrepreneurs Dennis and Sherri Milstead. Digging even deeper she was also linked to another the even stranger Never Lose Hope Foundation, an organization worthy of an entire book about its founding fathers!

Michelle Bart herself runs another organization, Helping Heroes Productions, which as far as I can tell is a ‘for profit’ aimed at servicing non profit organizations. Based on her relationship with the Anthony family, and these various other entities, it has always been very clear what her views on the case are, and which camp she is supporting.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121550

Michelle Bart “dissects” Caylee Anthony’s autopsy report on her new radio show, Voices for Justice.

Oh my.  Michelle Bart has started a new radio show , “Voices for Justice”.

The Caylee Anthony autopsy report was the focus of the first show on July 15–the anniversary of the last time anyone say her alive.  Michelle had an “expert” forensic’s scientist, (or so she led us to believe), Shelly Shaeffer, to answer questions.

Ms. Bart  teased the audience by saying she herself  had many concerns–some she hadn’t shared with anyone, and insinuated that she was gonna ask  those tough questions. Whatever.

The purpose of the entire interview was, IMO, to put doubt in the listener’s mind….right down to saying that the body couldn’t be identified as Caylee’s–it couldn’t even be identified as a female.  (That nasty little rumor has been skulking around the edges of the internet for a while now.)

Callers were allowed.  Ummmm–she shouldn’t have done that.  Fatal mistake. It went downhill from the first person that phoned in.

Right out of the gate, the first questioner called Shaeffer on her “exact” qualifications.  Turn’s out she is not a doctor– not a medical doctor– not any kind of doctor.  She has a bachelor’s and master’s degree in criminal justice.  IMO, that means she wasn’t qualified to talk about the autopsy report with any real authority.  She of course, did anyway.  Guess they couldn’t find a real forensic scientist willing to have a “conversation” with Michelle Bart and support her spin.

Michelle started that spin by saying  there were inconsistencies in the autopsy report.  She said the toddler’s sex was not definitively determined, yet the coroner stated it was definitely Caylee Anthony.  Her “expert” quickly said that Caylee was identified by DNA, not her skeletal remains.

Another caller asked why the Anthonys weren’t  looking for a killer but were spending all their time  raising money to support their newly acquired expensive habits.  Michelle didn’t answer, saying the show was only about the many MANY questions everyone has about the autopsy report. (I didn’t know there were many questions about that report, did you?)

She went on to say she was dissecting the autopsy report because she really really believed Caylee had been alive.  Really.  She thought there was more evidence that she was alive than dead and was truly devastated to find she was not.  AND, the National Vigil of Hope represents lots of people..blah..blah..blah.

She ended up cutting off one listener who insinuated she (Michelle Bart) was a crook and wanted to know how she could start a business doing what Michelle did cuz’ she could do it just as well. (bye bye caller) The next to last caller said she felt the whole show was to put doubt in the mind of the public.  Yeah, she got cut off, too.

You can listen to the show below.  It’s 45 minutes long.
https://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes/2009/07/15/Voices-for-Justice-a-look-into-the-Caylee-

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/michelle-bart-dissects-caylee-anthonys-autopsy-report-on-her-new-radio-show-voices-for-justice/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
I also think that even though we know bad things happen, we still think it cant/wont happen to us. this is as close to home as it gets for me outside of my own immidiate family and sad to say I am still doing things i probably shouldnt after what has happened to MB.  My daughter starts college in a week and will be commuting to seattle. I am hoping she meets people right away that maybe want to carpool so they can all save on gas money. My dad said to me 'make sure she carpools with some females and not any creepy males'.  do you think any thought like that even crossed my mind? nope... and  our other 2 girls ages 12 and 10 go out and jump on the trampoline in my front yard.  I have heard about kids getting snagged right out of their yards but i still let them do it. my curtain is open, i can see them but i am not standing out there with them always.  so i guess that makes me a horrible mother in the eyes of many.

and more of my blondeness,, i never realized till right this minute that clicking on those lil monkey things makes them appear in the posts! lol ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have to agree with you Melissa.
We are all different and we raise our kids differently.I live in the heart of Detroit and I don't like to go out when it's dark which it is every morning when I leave for work.My point is can we please move on from the parenting skills and refocus on Lindsey?
No one can change what happened to Lindsey,it happened so we need to move on.
Beautiful baby girl you got there!
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
Okay, here it is from JenniferO at WS:  (my bold)
(same poster DD referred to in What's Going On..)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=6

:50 PM 
 JenniferO 
On a mission...   Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Where the sidewalk ends..
Posts: 1,078 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Normcar21 
Jen, you really really need to share, here, have a few...


Okay, now, what do you know that we don't?

More on the fight between JB and others...please, please.

LOL


(JenniferO's response)
Thanks norm!

the "fight" was nothing more than a couple of kids arguing.. The woman who "broke it up" was asked by Lindsey to tell Josh to stop. LB and MK took off before anything could be said to anyone.. so the woman told JB that it was probably best that he just went home. Leave the girls alone.
She sent a text to MB telling her what was going on and MB agreed that JB should just come home.
JB went home. LB and MK went to MKs house. Later this woman (and no, I won't share her name) saw Lindsey on her walk home.





Previous post by JenniferO;

(Snip)
08-28-2009, 10:00 PM 
 JenniferO 
On a mission...   Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Where the sidewalk ends..
Posts: 1,078 
 
I haven't read the threads, I will. I just wanted to report in.

I wish I could share information but I've been asked not to say anything about the searches themselves.

I can tell you that I met the woman who "broke up the fight" between Josh and Lindsey. And lets just say that the media, once again left out a lot of information and got even more incorrect.

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 06:28:42 PM
have we all agreed on this board that we aren't going to look further into the search warrants from this weekend and accept that kona's family is being framed in some way? 

i'm just wondering b/c i would like to know what the alibi was for the night lb went missing.  again, im not saying that i think this family had anything to do with it but i cant stop wondering why someone would go out of their way to make such malicious claims and why they would be searching for a bathing suit at her home. 

the only people i think would know she had a bathing suit on would be her mother, brother, kk & her daughter, and the people whos home she went to after she left karak's and asked to sleep over. 

the other possibility is that no one knew she still had it on b/c she had it on under clothes after she showered, but when fbi went to the home they realized it was missing. 

this whole thing makes no sense.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 06:34:46 PM
im still tryin to figure out who you can text someone that allegedly didnt have a cell phone at the time ::MonkeyTease: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:36:21 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
Madre,that was JenniferO at WS who stated that the witness who broke up the fight and sent Josh home also texted Melissa and told her she was sending Josh home.Melissa texted back that was OK.This is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her walk home from Kayla's house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 06:37:21 PM
melissa-that baby is adorable! look at those eyes!

okay i hope i dont get anything thrown at me for asking this question, but i'm wonder what kona's son's alibi was the night lb was missing? i am not saying i think he is involved at all, but im wondering what the alibi was if anyone can answer that?

just now trying to catch up here. 

I can answer your question

he has witnesses who can place him somewhere else at the time she disappeared


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:39:52 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
The girls changed their minds about asking if Kayla could stay the night.......after the bike fight and after Josh was sent home the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night at Kayla's.Probably because she had just had a fight with her brother and didn't want to go home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 06:40:04 PM
melissa-that baby is adorable! look at those eyes!

okay i hope i dont get anything thrown at me for asking this question, but i'm wonder what kona's son's alibi was the night lb was missing? i am not saying i think he is involved at all, but im wondering what the alibi was if anyone can answer that?

just now trying to catch up here. 

I can answer your question

he has witnesses who can place him somewhere else at the time she disappeared

Thanks doubledecker.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
Not until the 10:00 PM curfew.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:41:49 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
Madre,that was JenniferO at WS who stated that the witness who broke up the fight and sent Josh home also texted Melissa and told her she was sending Josh home.Melissa texted back that was OK.This is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her walk home from Kayla's house.

Thanks, KarmaRoundUp...found it because I wasn't sure..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 06:46:32 PM
If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
Not until the 10:00 PM curfew.

If it is accurate that the witness texted MB that she was sending JB home(before Lindsey got to Kara's, let's just say around 9pm), wouldn't MB have been looking for JB much earlier than the 10pm curfew?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 06:49:42 PM
have we all agreed on this board that we aren't going to look further into the search warrants from this weekend and accept that kona's family is being framed in some way?  

i'm just wondering b/c i would like to know what the alibi was for the night lb went missing.  again, im not saying that i think this family had anything to do with it but i cant stop wondering why someone would go out of their way to make such malicious claims and why they would be searching for a bathing suit at her home. 

the only people i think would know she had a bathing suit on would be her mother, brother, kk & her daughter, and the people whos home she went to after she left karak's and asked to sleep over. 

the other possibility is that no one knew she still had it on b/c she had it on under clothes after she showered, but when fbi went to the home they realized it was missing.  

this whole thing makes no sense.

sunshine

1.  I want to see those warrants and any other warrant in the case if they are made public.  I am not convinced framing had anything to do with the search.  I  suspect that a concerned citizen provided authorities with a tip ... a tip he/she felt was worthy of consideration in the quest for answers in the disappearance of a little girl.  While not undermining the LE search ... the two neighbours who were interviewed by the media upheld the family.


2.  If Lindey's bathing suit cannot be found ... I believe she just threw clothes over her bathing suit prior to heading off with her brother and friend to the Kampen/Williams' residence.  This is why a bathing suit was listed on the search warrant.

Janet

+++++

Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

Pimentel said the next step is sending the dozens of boxes and bags of evidence on to the state’s crime lab for forensic analysis.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
have we all agreed on this board that we aren't going to look further into the search warrants from this weekend and accept that kona's family is being framed in some way? 

i'm just wondering b/c i would like to know what the alibi was for the night lb went missing.  again, im not saying that i think this family had anything to do with it but i cant stop wondering why someone would go out of their way to make such malicious claims and why they would be searching for a bathing suit at her home. 

the only people i think would know she had a bathing suit on would be her mother, brother, kk & her daughter, and the people whos home she went to after she left karak's and asked to sleep over. 

the other possibility is that no one knew she still had it on b/c she had it on under clothes after she showered, but when fbi went to the home they realized it was missing. 

this whole thing makes no sense.
I'm not giving up on LE produces these search warrants but I doubt they will produce them.
As far as Kona's son,heck yeah I want to know his alibi especially because he works/worked at the BeeHive and the BeeHive has always had my attention.
There is no confirmation that Lindsey did stop at someone's house after leaving KaraK's house.....not that I'm aware of.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:51:34 PM
im still tryin to figure out who you can text someone that allegedly didnt have a cell phone at the time ::MonkeyTease: ::MonkeyConfused::
Melissa has a cell phone and apparently the witness has a cell phone?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 06:51:43 PM
melissa-that baby is adorable! look at those eyes!

okay i hope i dont get anything thrown at me for asking this question, but i'm wonder what kona's son's alibi was the night lb was missing? i am not saying i think he is involved at all, but im wondering what the alibi was if anyone can answer that?

just now trying to catch up here. 

I can answer your question

he has witnesses who can place him somewhere else at the time she disappeared
Thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::    All this talk about Kara's phone, has me wondering why even bother to have a phone if it is such a crappy phone, with having as many kids as she does, one would think you would have a decent phone. I have a regular phone in my house, I don't have a cell, because I don't need or want one, but my daughters and husband does, I just don't understand not having a proper communication device for emergencies and what not.  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:53:31 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
Madre,that was JenniferO at WS who stated that the witness who broke up the fight and sent Josh home also texted Melissa and told her she was sending Josh home.Melissa texted back that was OK.This is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her walk home from Kayla's house.

Thanks, KarmaRoundUp...found it because I wasn't sure..
You're welcome Madre,I was catching up and posted before I saw your posts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 06:54:20 PM
If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
Not until the 10:00 PM curfew.

If it is accurate that the witness texted MB that she was sending JB home(before Lindsey got to Kara's, let's just say around 9pm), wouldn't MB have been looking for JB much earlier than the 10pm curfew?
Yes, and also be wondering if Lindsey was coming home or spending the night, maybe she should have called IF Josh did come home. I wonder when and if he came home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 06:56:19 PM
If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
Not until the 10:00 PM curfew.

If it is accurate that the witness texted MB that she was sending JB home(before Lindsey got to Kara's, let's just say around 9pm), wouldn't MB have been looking for JB much earlier than the 10pm curfew?
Yes and Josh supposedly went right home after the witness told him to.But Melissa did say Josh likes to wander around so if he wasn't home right away then she probably would expect him home at 10:00 PM.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 06:58:39 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
The girls changed their minds about asking if Kayla could stay the night.......after the bike fight and after Josh was sent home the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night at Kayla's.Probably because she had just had a fight with her brother and didn't want to go home.

The girls had plans for Kayla to spend the night, they walked over to her house, with JB in toe as a possible escort for Lindsey in the case she couldn't. The fight happened, Josh is sent home, the bike abandoned, they asked if Lindsey could spend the night, the request was rejected and Lindsey was sent on her way home......Mean while Kara's phone is dead, MB could not call and check on her daughter, whether or not she called prior to 10, we don't know, she could have. By 10 something after LB"s curfew passes, MB reaches kara who happens to turn on her phone and everyone realizes Lindsey is missing. Two stories emerge, one kara and MB start looking and phone calls are made, the other, scott and Kara throw on shoes and head right over to MB's.

BTW I am not saying anyone is a good mom or not a good mom. I am trying to pick apart this story because it is not making any sense.
Karma given the fact that MB received a text stating Josh was being sent home I think it would be safe to assume MB would have been alarmed if JB had not come right home.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 06:59:53 PM
melissa-that baby is adorable! look at those eyes!

okay i hope i dont get anything thrown at me for asking this question, but i'm wonder what kona's son's alibi was the night lb was missing? i am not saying i think he is involved at all, but im wondering what the alibi was if anyone can answer that?

just now trying to catch up here. 

I can answer your question

he has witnesses who can place him somewhere else at the time she disappeared

thank you dd!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 06:59:58 PM
If Josh wasn't home wouldnt she have been looking for him too?
Not until the 10:00 PM curfew.

If it is accurate that the witness texted MB that she was sending JB home(before Lindsey got to Kara's, let's just say around 9pm), wouldn't MB have been looking for JB much earlier than the 10pm curfew?

you and I had the same thought


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
Karma I appreciate your replies but one thing is, we cannot say lindsey did this or that because of this or that, or MB thought this or that. I think trying to find out forsure will clear up some of the questions, kwim? I wish a spokes person would be assigned to clear up these mistruths and rumors. But maybe the rumors are helping?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
IIRC, someone involved in this case, said that the person who sent Josh home...PAGED MB to let her know she was sending Josh home and again IIRC MB responded back that was OK.   Does anyone else remember this? 

Again, it would be so helpful to know exactly what these eyewitnesses reported, and to have a timeline from MB herself.
Madre,that was JenniferO at WS who stated that the witness who broke up the fight and sent Josh home also texted Melissa and told her she was sending Josh home.Melissa texted back that was OK.This is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her walk home from Kayla's house.

Thanks, KarmaRoundUp...found it because I wasn't sure..

Thanks Karma.  Thanks Madre.

Whether Josh was home or not and ... considering Melissa Baum realized that there was a good possibility her daughter would be walking home alone ... if she could not contact Kara Kampen ... why did she not make an effort to walk to the Kampen/William and escort her daughter home?

The following words of Melissa Baum implies that she refuses to take personal responsibility for her role in what happened to her daughter.  "Why did this happen to me."  "I know it is not my fault."

Janet

+++++


McCleary’s still searching
By Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:49 AM PDT


“This isn’t supposed to happen to me,”  Baum said. “This doesn’t happen. I know it’s not my fault. But I feel guilty. Why didn’t I automatically go with her? My 12-year-old son thinks it’s his fault because they had a minor argument. But it all falls on the person who took her.”

http://**/articles/2009/06/30/local_news/doc4a4a53f8addf4694664243.txt



 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 07:08:59 PM
Tamikosmom I can see what you are saying, I wonder if MB assumed Lindsey would be escorted back to the house by Kayla, her brother, her mother or what have you as what may have been done in the past.
I wish I knew if MB just thought Lindsey was spending the night over there since Josh would have told her the plans changed once he returned home...

Why are these details so hard to find out? Seems like they are basic questions, why is this spokes person not out there clearing this stuff up, after all being a PR spokes person, that would be her job, right? If she is being a spokes person, she sucks at it.
The girls changed their minds about asking if Kayla could stay the night.......after the bike fight and after Josh was sent home the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night at Kayla's.Probably because she had just had a fight with her brother and didn't want to go home.

The girls had plans for Kayla to spend the night, they walked over to her house, with JB in toe as a possible escort for Lindsey in the case she couldn't. The fight happened, Josh is sent home, the bike abandoned, they asked if Lindsey could spend the night, the request was rejected and Lindsey was sent on her way home......Mean while Kara's phone is dead, MB could not call and check on her daughter, whether or not she called prior to 10, we don't know, she could have. By 10 something after LB"s curfew passes, MB reaches kara who happens to turn on her phone and everyone realizes Lindsey is missing. Two stories emerge, one kara and MB start looking and phone calls are made, the other, scott and Kara throw on shoes and head right over to MB's.

BTW I am not saying anyone is a good mom or not a good mom. I am trying to pick apart this story because it is not making any sense.
Karma given the fact that MB received a text stating Josh was being sent home I think it would be safe to assume MB would have been alarmed if JB had not come right home.
 
IMO Melissa wouldn't have been alarmed if Josh didn't return directly home after being told to.Josh has Aspergers(sp)and a host of other problems and Melissa said he likes to wander......I think she just lets him wander and he gets home by 10:00 PM?

I agree about KaraK's telling of what happened after Lindsey left her house.There should only be one story,the truth.

I also agree that Melissa should have gotten a hold of Kara right after she received that text(sending Josh home)because Melissa did not know if Lindsey was to walk home alone or not.If she couldn't get a hold of Kara by phone,she should have taken Josh and the dog and walked to Kara's to meet up with either Lindsey alone or Lindsey and Kayla.
I just don't think all of these should haves and could haves are doing any good.Melissa didn't do any of those things and no one can change that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
Karma I appreciate your replies but one thing is, we cannot say lindsey did this or that because of this or that, or MB thought this or that. I think trying to find out forsure will clear up some of the questions, kwim? I wish a spokes person would be assigned to clear up these mistruths and rumors. But maybe the rumors are helping?


I understand but I'm not guessing at what Melissa is thinking or was thinking and I would never expect her to come on here and straighten us out on the truths but you are right,the family needs a formal spokesperson who can generate media attention and speak for the family.
As far as rumors go,IMO sometimes there is a little truth in each rumor.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 07:14:46 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 07:20:29 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 28, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 07:26:33 PM
madre I agree, going back to square one seems to take us back to the fact there are wholes in stories.

I do not believe MB meant for this to happen and whether or not she is telling herself she is not to blame is some kind of survival thing or if she really believes she didn't. I can understand the comment, "the responsibility lies with the person who took her", I think that too, in a perfect world we should be able to let our children out of our sites without them going missing. However obvioulsy both woman could have done things to prevent it from happening. In questioning Kara's stories I am not saying she should have done this or that, I am not judging her ability to make wise decisions, I am questioning whether or not it happened that way and if she could be covering the truth. There I said it.

I read back today and read comments about her sons arm... I forgot about that. Wasn't that brought up resently here?
 





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 07:26:41 PM
Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



ditto....praying for her return...so very sad...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 07:28:56 PM
Karma I appreciate your replies but one thing is, we cannot say lindsey did this or that because of this or that, or MB thought this or that. I think trying to find out forsure will clear up some of the questions, kwim? I wish a spokes person would be assigned to clear up these mistruths and rumors. But maybe the rumors are helping?


I understand but I'm not guessing at what Melissa is thinking or was thinking and I would never expect her to come on here and straighten us out on the truths but you are right,the family needs a formal spokesperson who can generate media attention and speak for the family.
As far as rumors go,IMO sometimes there is a little truth in each rumor.
 ::MonkeyWink::
And sometimes a rumor can help to get people away from the truth.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 07:32:20 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?

Great catch Karma, hmmm seems like there are 2 stories, maybe this is why it has stuck with me, so which one is true? See this doesn't seem to be a hard detail to keep straight in ones mind. Why the change and why the 2 completely different stories? , 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: darla on September 28, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I am trying desperately to catch up reading on Lindsey, but will take me days. I have a question and it probably will not be very popular. Is there concrete proof that Lindsey did not make it home? Not just the word of her Mom? There is a reason for these questions....something is just bugging me from what I have read.

I am the grandmother of 7 and they do not play outside at my house unless I am out there with them. I live on a dead end quiet street, but I do not let them out of my site. They are not allowed to go to any of the neighbors houses to play. If the other kids want to play they can come to my house. I guess some call me crazy, but they are not going missing on my watch.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Jademoff on September 28, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

++++++

07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16

Hi, Janet.

I think the 26th was a Friday... so if the siting indeed did happen on Saturday it would be after she was apparently last seen.

Thank you Girlzrock.

There I go again ... scanning and not reading carefully.

Nevertheless ... on July 1, 2009 ... there was the above post implying Lindsey was sighted on a quad in the OVR park wearing a floral bathing suit and ... then there is the warrant regarding the search of this past weekend listing a floral bathing suit.  Was the recent search just about following up on tips as LE implied?  Should the sighting day have been Friday ... not Saturday?

I would be interesting to know if KONA's son owns a quad and ... if the young man had a connection with Lindsey prior to her going missing.

As I stated previous ... considering Lindsey was not wearing jeans and a hoodie in the OVR sighting ... I do not think the connection has anything to do with her disappearance following the 9:30 PM sighting of at 5th and Maple..

IMO

Janet

++++++++


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



A girl in a pink floral bathing suit was sighted up at the ORV park that was said to be Lindsey? Oy   ::MonkeyEek::

I'm glad that whoever saw that did call it in, but it was probably just someone with a stage of paranoia knowing they are in an area where a girl is missing, and found someone to fit the description. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure the guy who used to run the ORV park (the one who was fired) has a daughter who is a brunette.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 07:44:44 PM
im still tryin to figure out who you can text someone that allegedly didnt have a cell phone at the time ::MonkeyTease: ::MonkeyConfused::

MB did have a cell phone per MM...it was MK (Kayla) that did not have a cell phone, per some posting today.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
Karma said....

IMO Melissa wouldn't have been alarmed if Josh didn't return directly home after being told to.Josh has Aspergers(sp)and a host of other problems and Melissa said he likes to wander......I think she just lets him wander and he gets home by 10:00 PM?

Given the fact he does have aspergers and likes to wonder would lead me to believe it would make her concerned if he didn't come straight home..hmmmm seems we are seeing this differently. If only a SPOKES PERSON COULD CLARIFY THIS POINT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 28, 2009, 07:57:59 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

I have full respect for the police officers who are in McCleary. Hands down and 100%, I trust all of them that I do know. Behind their uniforms they are good people. As any person, they have made mistakes before, but they are only human. And still my opinion does not change.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 07:58:45 PM

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

I am trying desperately to catch up reading on Lindsey, but will take me days. I have a question and it probably will not be very popular. Is there concrete proof that Lindsey did not make it home? Not just the word of her Mom? There is a reason for these questions....something is just bugging me from what I have read.

I am the grandmother of 7 and they do not play outside at my house unless I am out there with them. I live on a dead end quiet street, but I do not let them out of my site. They are not allowed to go to any of the neighbors houses to play. If the other kids want to play they can come to my house. I guess some call me crazy, but they are not going missing on my watch.

No there is not darla.

Janet

++++++


My unpopular position with many on this forum regarding the possible implication of Josh Baum ... as a person of interest in the the process of elimination ... did sway for a period of time this weekend but ... I have regained my balance.

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey Baum's disappearance:

1.  Following the witness sighting at 5th and Maple ... within a very short distance from home ... is it possible that an impulsive action by someone close to Lindsey unintentionally ... in the act of wrongdoing ... caused her death?

- Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and there met with foul play?
- Did Lindsey make it home and it was there that something went terribly wrong?

2.  In a sincere attempt to protect a loved one  ... is it possible assistance from a trusted friend outside the family ... to cover up ... was requested and provided?

3.  Considering there have been no arrests ... could there be underlying legal issues  encompassing the interrogation of an underage person of interest when there is no substantiating evidence that implies the existence of a felony? 

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 08:01:30 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.

see MM's post here at:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.60


Also, if my daughter was missing I would not be waiting for 4 weeks to contact TES (because LE had my computer?), after this neighbor told me about their services.  Also, the secry at TES did NOT decline their services, rather that if MB changed her mind to let them know.    Another inconsistency?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 08:02:52 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

I have full respect for the police officers who are in McCleary. Hands down and 100%, I trust all of them that I do know. Behind their uniforms they are good people. As any person, they have made mistakes before, but they are only human. And still my opinion does not change.

I dont know one single cop in my city...so I would be cautious.  I guess it would depend on the way they approached me.  Certainly if they came up with a warrant I would react way different than if they just wanted to look around.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 08:05:18 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I am trying desperately to catch up reading on Lindsey, but will take me days. I have a question and it probably will not be very popular. Is there concrete proof that Lindsey did not make it home? Not just the word of her Mom? There is a reason for these questions....something is just bugging me from what I have read.

I am the grandmother of 7 and they do not play outside at my house unless I am out there with them. I live on a dead end quiet street, but I do not let them out of my site. They are not allowed to go to any of the neighbors houses to play. If the other kids want to play they can come to my house. I guess some call me crazy, but they are not going missing on my watch.
In the back of my mind I wonder about that, do we have concrete proof that Lindsey did not make it home, me personally I haven't seen it, imo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 08:05:52 PM
Who is in charge anyway? Is there someone, a group of someones? I think I read that a few people (who??) are heading up the search, are these same people the ones responsible to offer up information to the public? Understand, I have been away from this and missed a whole bunch of stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 08:06:59 PM
Karma said....

IMO Melissa wouldn't have been alarmed if Josh didn't return directly home after being told to.Josh has Aspergers(sp)and a host of other problems and Melissa said he likes to wander......I think she just lets him wander and he gets home by 10:00 PM?

Given the fact he does have aspergers and likes to wonder would lead me to believe it would make her concerned if he didn't come straight home..hmmmm seems we are seeing this differently. If only a SPOKES PERSON COULD CLARIFY THIS POINT
The thought of him just wandering around makes no sense to me, one would think you should know where he is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
Do we have proof Lindsey left alone?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 28, 2009, 08:07:31 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.

What I interpret from reading this is Melissa's neighbor got in touch with the same person who did investigating with Caylee's case and inquired about information regarding her services. The neighbor then got in touch with Melissa who was already working with LRC (don't know??). Then the gal who's services that were inquired about, let both The neighbor and Melissa know that her services are free and that she brings her own volunteers and also will recruit other volunteers from the public. I am just assuming that this was a search group that was called, and the secretary of the search group is the one who answered all these questions and provided the information.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 08:09:42 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

I have full respect for the police officers who are in McCleary. Hands down and 100%, I trust all of them that I do know. Behind their uniforms they are good people. As any person, they have made mistakes before, but they are only human. And still my opinion does not change.

I hope and pray from the bottom of my heart that is true.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 08:12:36 PM
I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???

Klaasend, can I?

I have no problem with you bringing posts here from WS but WS might not like it.  So....bring them over at your own risk, LOL  ::MonkeyCool::  Tricia/WS thinks very highly of their stuff.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
Is MB being left to decide these things or is she being advised by someone(s)? MM said LE had told MB that HO was not worth a darn, how would she know? Was it only LE? Did anyone else know?
Was she told something about TE from a person in the inner circle? Is she relying on anyone to give her information? If so, who?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 08:17:07 PM
I found what I was looking for....  regarding the "witness" texting Lindsey's mom.  Am I allowed to bring several posts from another board (WS,  of course) over here???

Klaasend, can I?

I have no problem with you bringing posts here from WS but WS might not like it.  So....bring them over at your own risk, LOL  ::MonkeyCool::  Tricia/WS thinks very highly of their stuff.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyDevil2:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 08:17:44 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



I meant no disrespect or not trying to preach to you or anyone. I was stating my own opinion. I am sorry you are offended and I apologize. I feel very strongly myself, and I see no reason for you to feel defensive and I am sorry if you do. This is one of the reasons I do not post much here. There is room for everyone's opinions, we do not have to agree. I will still sit on the branch by myself, if need be. I did not come here for a tongue lashing or to start a conflict. I am as concerned about Lindsey as everyone else.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 08:18:47 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



Jess - very well said.  Thank you for all you do for these children   ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 28, 2009, 08:21:29 PM
Is MB being left to decide these things or is she being advised by someone(s)? MM said LE had told MB that HO was not worth a darn, how would she know? Was it only LE? Did anyone else know?
Was she told something about TE from a person in the inner circle? Is she relying on anyone to give her information? If so, who?

I would like to know why LRC has said they are unlikely to help with this search again.  I think it is time to call TES again!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 08:23:26 PM
Is MB being left to decide these things or is she being advised by someone(s)? MM said LE had told MB that HO was not worth a darn, how would she know? Was it only LE? Did anyone else know?
Was she told something about TE from a person in the inner circle? Is she relying on anyone to give her information? If so, who?

I would like to know why LRC has said they are unlikely to help with this search again.  I think it is time to call TES again!!

Ya know I would like to call TES again too, except why should they come if MB treats them the way she treated HO???

I will answer my question...for Lindsey of course   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 08:25:23 PM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 

What I have heard is that the news station that released the information, had a mix up, and had said that Clothes hair and blood had all been found. So after I got home from work that night, I checked the information for myself, to find that it was nothing that was found. I think it was just a mix up, or maybe a stage of shock where people heard 'clothes, hair, and blood'.

I've been in a state of shock since this all happened.............. Kona and her family do not deserve this.

if it makes any better i was at the courthouse  and the news was there to set the record strait. I heard part of what they said about death threats on the family and that the information that was out there was wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 08:26:41 PM
Madibabe, did they say where the horse trailer was?  Thanks
no but I can find out from the same person that told me in the morning. Ill try and put a stop to the here say bull .... lol

madibabe try to get these rumors stopped and the dang police need a press conference and tell what is going on.  This is going to turn into a nightmare for someone who did not do anything. 

I don't know if they found anything at someone elses houses or what.  But they did not find anything on the golders property.  they did remove stuff and take it because the search warrants were TO SEE "IF", there might be anything there connected to lindsey.  So they took stuff like vaccumed stuff, paperwork to see if there might be anything in there to say who was where when, they took computers, they took some old cameras from a yardsale, they took clothing to test I guess, they took blackets, mattresses, all kinds of stuff so they could TEST it, to see IF there is anything on them.  there was absolutely NOTHING found to suggest lindsey had been there.

Tonight on the news they were stating that the search dogs had been to the property and never scented nothing there.  (I did not hear the knews, someone posted it in my chat, so someone should check on the kiro news for that)

I heard a ton of rumors today myself.  and funny thing a lot of them were coming straight from the very people who told all of the lies in the beginning of this case... and the weirest one was that the tip for the search warrant came from mb's psychic... this person also said they found lb's clothing.  now people are nuts.  and most of the crazy rumors are coming straight out of elma.  Some of the same people trashing MB in the beginning of the case. So the elma rumors are way out there. 

What I have heard is that the news station that released the information, had a mix up, and had said that Clothes hair and blood had all been found. So after I got home from work that night, I checked the information for myself, to find that it was nothing that was found. I think it was just a mix up, or maybe a stage of shock where people heard 'clothes, hair, and blood'.

I've been in a state of shock since this all happened.............. Kona and her family do not deserve this.

if it makes any better i was at the courthouse  and the news was there to set the record strait. I heard part of what they said about death threats on the family and that the information that was out there was wrong.

Thank you, Madibabe


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 08:27:45 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



I meant no disrespect or not trying to preach to you or anyone. I was stating my own opinion. I am sorry you are offended and I apologize. I feel very strongly myself, and I see no reason for you to feel defensive and I am sorry if you do. This is one of the reasons I do not post much here. There is room for everyone's opinions, we do not have to agree. I will still sit on the branch by myself, if need be. I did not come here for a tongue lashing or to start a conflict. I am as concerned about Lindsey as everyone else.  JMO

I understand, thanks.  I wasn't offended by your opinion on consensual searches, nor am I being defensive.  I have nothing to be defensive about.  And you certainly have the right to let anyone into your home or onto your property for any reason whatsoever.  It's your prerogative, and I'm sure there are many many others that feel the same way.  I was just offended by what appeared to be a statement that questioned my dedication and devotion to advocating for children.  Again, maybe I was overreacting and, if so, I apologize. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
im still tryin to figure out who you can text someone that allegedly didnt have a cell phone at the time ::MonkeyTease: ::MonkeyConfused::

MB did have a cell phone per MM...it was MK (Kayla) that did not have a cell phone, per some posting today.... ::MonkeyConfused::
IIRC someone had notice that one of Kayla's myspace accounts stated "updated by mobile" or something to that effect which would indicate it was via cell phone.  It may have been one of Lindsey's account but I thought it was Kayla's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 08:34:07 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



I meant no disrespect or not trying to preach to you or anyone. I was stating my own opinion. I am sorry you are offended and I apologize. I feel very strongly myself, and I see no reason for you to feel defensive and I am sorry if you do. This is one of the reasons I do not post much here. There is room for everyone's opinions, we do not have to agree. I will still sit on the branch by myself, if need be. I did not come here for a tongue lashing or to start a conflict. I am as concerned about Lindsey as everyone else.  JMO

I understand, thanks.  I wasn't offended by your opinion on consensual searches, nor am I being defensive.  I have nothing to be defensive about.  And you certainly have the right to let anyone into your home or onto your property for any reason whatsoever.  It's your prerogative, and I'm sure there are many many others that feel the same way.  I was just offended by what appeared to be a statement that questioned my dedication and devotion to advocating for children.  Again, maybe I was overreacting and, if so, I apologize. 


No, I have no reason to question your motives or dedication. I have been reading along for a long time on many of the thread where you are advocating. I respect your opinions, and admire what you do. I am sorry we crossed wires.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Friends???       (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/kitty2.gif)         


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 08:35:48 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



I meant no disrespect or not trying to preach to you or anyone. I was stating my own opinion. I am sorry you are offended and I apologize. I feel very strongly myself, and I see no reason for you to feel defensive and I am sorry if you do. This is one of the reasons I do not post much here. There is room for everyone's opinions, we do not have to agree. I will still sit on the branch by myself, if need be. I did not come here for a tongue lashing or to start a conflict. I am as concerned about Lindsey as everyone else.  JMO

I understand, thanks.  I wasn't offended by your opinion on consensual searches, nor am I being defensive.  I have nothing to be defensive about.  And you certainly have the right to let anyone into your home or onto your property for any reason whatsoever.  It's your prerogative, and I'm sure there are many many others that feel the same way.  I was just offended by what appeared to be a statement that questioned my dedication and devotion to advocating for children.  Again, maybe I was overreacting and, if so, I apologize. 


No, I have no reason to question your motives or dedication. I have been reading along for a long time on many of the thread where you are advocating. I respect your opinions, and admire what you do. I am sorry we crossed wires.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Friends???       (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/kitty2.gif)         

I wouldn't have it any other way!

 ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 08:37:21 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



I meant no disrespect or not trying to preach to you or anyone. I was stating my own opinion. I am sorry you are offended and I apologize. I feel very strongly myself, and I see no reason for you to feel defensive and I am sorry if you do. This is one of the reasons I do not post much here. There is room for everyone's opinions, we do not have to agree. I will still sit on the branch by myself, if need be. I did not come here for a tongue lashing or to start a conflict. I am as concerned about Lindsey as everyone else.  JMO

I understand, thanks.  I wasn't offended by your opinion on consensual searches, nor am I being defensive.  I have nothing to be defensive about.  And you certainly have the right to let anyone into your home or onto your property for any reason whatsoever.  It's your prerogative, and I'm sure there are many many others that feel the same way.  I was just offended by what appeared to be a statement that questioned my dedication and devotion to advocating for children.  Again, maybe I was overreacting and, if so, I apologize. 


No, I have no reason to question your motives or dedication. I have been reading along for a long time on many of the thread where you are advocating. I respect your opinions, and admire what you do. I am sorry we crossed wires.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Friends???       (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/kitty2.gif)         

I wouldn't have it any other way!

 ::MonkeyHeart::
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 08:38:15 PM
Is MB being left to decide these things or is she being advised by someone(s)? MM said LE had told MB that HO was not worth a darn, how would she know? Was it only LE? Did anyone else know?
Was she told something about TE from a person in the inner circle? Is she relying on anyone to give her information? If so, who?

I would like to know why LRC has said they are unlikely to help with this search again.  I think it is time to call TES again!!

JessStar, can you elaborate on this?  If not, I certainly understand.  Thank you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 08:39:23 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.

You are very welcome.  From what I have seen of her interviews as a spokesperson, heard her radio show, read her statements and watched as she created one organization after another ( the latest two being National Vigil for Hope and another company that she is now involved with which has something to do with uploading all the private and confidential information about your child(ren) and being charged yearly to have it housed on an outside server without even an inkling of the safekeeping of said information or that the police would even go there when they have their own databases) I would not call Ms Bart if I lost a ring down a drain!  Just my opnion...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: darla on September 28, 2009, 08:42:29 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. Will be reading trying to get caught up. There is just something that just ain't adding up. Can't put my finger on it yet.
And why anyone would turn down Tim Miller blows my mind.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. Will be reading trying to get caught up. There is just something that just ain't adding up. Can't put my finger on it yet.
And why anyone would turn down Tim Miller blows my mind.

I know what you mean Darla.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. Will be reading trying to get caught up. There is just something that just ain't adding up. Can't put my finger on it yet.
And why anyone would turn down Tim Miller blows my mind.

Exactly, and mine too. Thanks for explaining Michelle Bart. You were much more diplomatic that I could have said it.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 28, 2009, 08:45:26 PM
Is MB being left to decide these things or is she being advised by someone(s)? MM said LE had told MB that HO was not worth a darn, how would she know? Was it only LE? Did anyone else know?
Was she told something about TE from a person in the inner circle? Is she relying on anyone to give her information? If so, who?

I would like to know why LRC has said they are unlikely to help with this search again.  I think it is time to call TES again!!

JessStar, can you elaborate on this?  If not, I certainly understand.  Thank you

I'm sorry, I can't say because I really don't know.  But based upon what I was told, LRC is still working closely with LE and the family.  They just are not planning to return to Washington at this time to conduct another ground search. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 08:46:02 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.

see MM's post here at:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.60


Also, if my daughter was missing I would not be waiting for 4 weeks to contact TES (because LE had my computer?), after this neighbor told me about their services.  Also, the secry at TES did NOT decline their services, rather that if MB changed her mind to let them know.    Another inconsistency?

I am not sure when Ms Bart interjected her services (whatever they may be) into this case, however I could fully see her not being supportive of TES or wanting them involved based on her backing of Cindy Ant when TES was trying to conduct a search for Caylee whether she was dead or alive and Cindy left a scathing and vile message for Tim telling him not to challenge her as he would lose.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 08:49:10 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 08:54:03 PM
im still tryin to figure out who you can text someone that allegedly didnt have a cell phone at the time ::MonkeyTease: ::MonkeyConfused::

MB did have a cell phone per MM...it was MK (Kayla) that did not have a cell phone, per some posting today.... ::MonkeyConfused::
IIRC someone had notice that one of Kayla's myspace accounts stated "updated by mobile" or something to that effect which would indicate it was via cell phone.  It may have been one of Lindsey's account but I thought it was Kayla's.

I thought it was said Kayle had a cell phone. hmmm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 08:54:13 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 

Leroy, do you think LE would advise her not to go with Tim Miller?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 08:58:41 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 

Leroy, do you think LE would advise her not to go with Tim Miller?

IIRC, TES opted not to come because LRC was involved already.  LE discredited HO which is why MB did not accept him with open arms.  I would not trust any type of Law enforcement that would advise me not to have Tim Miller...JMO

I'm not very familiar with HO though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 

However MM says LE is not advising her or keeping her up to date...In tracy they had a liaison for Sandra's mom, wonder if there is one for MB or is she relying on friends?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:01:38 PM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted.
When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.

BUMP


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 09:01:46 PM
I am off for a bit. I'll check in later.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
yes leroy you are correct, she did say that, although is there another statement somewhere I have read in the past day or so about LE not telling her things and keeping her up to date?

Be back later!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
a couple things I can answer......

MB had never met kona or her family and has no beef with her

MB didnt turn down assistance from texas equisearch group. she was in contact with them via phone and when she metioned that LRC was going to come up, TE said they would hold off and let LRC take charge.

HO was discredited by LE and MB was told it was her choice to use him if she wanted.
When your child goes missing, I believe youre going to listen to what LE tells you because you dont know any differently. Its not that she didnt want and or appreciate any additional help.

As for JB, LJ, and MK all walking with out knowing who would spend the night where ect,,, this was a common occurrance for jb and JL to walk MK home so she didnt walk alone and then they would back together.  If LJ had stayed over then JB being a 12 yr old boy coming back home alone the short distance wasnt such a big deal.

BUMP


Madre - this post is why I said I think LE is advising MB.  Who knows though right   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 28, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
awwww...JessStar and Fannie Mae...2 of the best sweetest posters ever!  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::luvs ya both!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:05:25 PM
yes leroy you are correct, she did say that, although is there another statement somewhere I have read in the past day or so about LE not telling her things and keeping her up to date?

Be back later!

Yes I believe you are correct...let me see if I can find it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 09:06:54 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 09:10:50 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 

Leroy, do you think LE would advise her not to go with Tim Miller?

IIRC, TES opted not to come because LRC was involved already.  LE discredited HO which is why MB did not accept him with open arms.  I would not trust any type of Law enforcement that would advise me not to have Tim Miller...JMO

I'm not very familiar with HO though.

I guess I misunderstood what the poster said, I quoted above, that spoke directly to TES secretary.  I read it as Lindsey's mom had a choice, called TES back 4 weeks later and said she was going with LRC instead of TES.  So I wonder mistruths there are re the searches as alluded to by the poster? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

yep i saw those...i have my thoughts on who that is


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 

Leroy, do you think LE would advise her not to go with Tim Miller?

IIRC, TES opted not to come because LRC was involved already.  LE discredited HO which is why MB did not accept him with open arms.  I would not trust any type of Law enforcement that would advise me not to have Tim Miller...JMO

I'm not very familiar with HO though.

I guess I misunderstood what the poster said, I quoted above, that spoke directly to TES secretary.  I read it as Lindsey's mom had a choice, called TES back 4 weeks later and said she was going with LRC instead of TES.  So I wonder mistruths there are re the searches as alluded to by the poster? ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry Madre - what poster?  I'm a bit confused too..lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 09:20:05 PM
Which one is DD site ?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:21:02 PM
Which one is DD site ?



http://truecrime.forums-free.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

Sorry but what is a dd's website?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:27:08 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

Sorry but what is a dd's website?

DD = doubledecker.  it is a research site and has lots of usefull info on this case.  go to the link above.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 09:28:17 PM
maybe she didn't know who tim miller is, I certainly do not. maybe someone advised her and she listened? I will ask and if no one knows the answer I will try to find out. Who is advising MB? Who is in charge of this all?

In my opinion, LE is advising her. 

Leroy, do you think LE would advise her not to go with Tim Miller?

IIRC, TES opted not to come because LRC was involved already.  LE discredited HO which is why MB did not accept him with open arms.  I would not trust any type of Law enforcement that would advise me not to have Tim Miller...JMO

I'm not very familiar with HO though.

I guess I misunderstood what the poster said, I quoted above, that spoke directly to TES secretary.  I read it as Lindsey's mom had a choice, called TES back 4 weeks later and said she was going with LRC instead of TES.  So I wonder mistruths there are re the searches as alluded to by the poster? ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry Madre - what poster?  I'm a bit confused too..lol

 ::MonkeyLaugh::I'm getting  ::MonkeyConfused:: myself!

See Post# 241, pg. 13 this thread


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 09:29:09 PM
JESS STAR, I realize the thread has now gone in another direction, but I just read your post. I guess I will be the one monkey on the branch, but in the heat of a child being missing, I would STILL put that child first, and open my door for LE to take a look. I am not naive. I have had a background in LE, and have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. I do not know the LE here where I live now, but I would still let them in if it meant finding a 12 yr old alive or to find her remains if she wasn't. I would not hide behind my blinds and turn a blind eye. If they did find something suspicious, or thought they did, I would THEN retain someone in your capacity.

Now maybe the people in McCleary/Grays County know MORE about their local police there, and realize they have a history. That, I do not know. All I know is that the residents of where I live have respect for the LE, there is no bad gossip about them, and they are very visible and transparent and efficient. Until proven otherwise, I will hold that judgement.

If we are to be advocates for children, we should be able to "put ourselves out there" to a degree. I know Kona is paying the price. I cannot say how she feels at this point. I know she felt strongly enough to do something. Doing the right thing is not always easy, and it sometimes doesn't turn out the way we want it to. I have had things not turn out the way I wanted either, but at least I know I tried.

I will sit on the branch by myself on this if I have to. I have not changed my mind about it at all. JMO

And you are entitled to your view, Fanny Mae.  I respect that.  As I said in my post, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or to change anyone's mind.  We're all adults and can make our own decisions. 

Maybe I'm overreacting to the "If we are to be advocates for children . . ." portion of your post.  If I am, I apologize.  But I certainly don't need anyone to preach to me about what it means to be an advocate for children, or to suggest that I'm somehow less of an advocate because I'd be inclined to protect my family if faced with a situation like Kona is facing.  That offends me.  I "put my self out there" every day of the week, Fanny Mae, in ways I will not go into because, quite frankly, it's no one's business.  But I will say, it's all about ACTION, not words.  It's all about being PROACTIVE, not reactive. 



I meant no disrespect or not trying to preach to you or anyone. I was stating my own opinion. I am sorry you are offended and I apologize. I feel very strongly myself, and I see no reason for you to feel defensive and I am sorry if you do. This is one of the reasons I do not post much here. There is room for everyone's opinions, we do not have to agree. I will still sit on the branch by myself, if need be. I did not come here for a tongue lashing or to start a conflict. I am as concerned about Lindsey as everyone else.  JMO

I understand, thanks.  I wasn't offended by your opinion on consensual searches, nor am I being defensive.  I have nothing to be defensive about.  And you certainly have the right to let anyone into your home or onto your property for any reason whatsoever.  It's your prerogative, and I'm sure there are many many others that feel the same way.  I was just offended by what appeared to be a statement that questioned my dedication and devotion to advocating for children.  Again, maybe I was overreacting and, if so, I apologize. 


No, I have no reason to question your motives or dedication. I have been reading along for a long time on many of the thread where you are advocating. I respect your opinions, and admire what you do. I am sorry we crossed wires.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Friends???       (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/kitty2.gif)         

I wouldn't have it any other way!

 ::MonkeyHeart::
::MonkeyAngel::


AND THIS is why i love the scared monkeys


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 09:31:42 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

yep i saw those...i have my thoughts on who that is


we think alike leroy.... i hope justice for lindsey prevails and the truth is revealed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 09:31:54 PM
have we all agreed on this board that we aren't going to look further into the search warrants from this weekend and accept that kona's family is being framed in some way? 

i'm just wondering b/c i would like to know what the alibi was for the night lb went missing.  again, im not saying that i think this family had anything to do with it but i cant stop wondering why someone would go out of their way to make such malicious claims and why they would be searching for a bathing suit at her home. 

the only people i think would know she had a bathing suit on would be her mother, brother, kk & her daughter, and the people whos home she went to after she left karak's and asked to sleep over. 

the other possibility is that no one knew she still had it on b/c she had it on under clothes after she showered, but when fbi went to the home they realized it was missing. 

this whole thing makes no sense.
I'm not giving up on LE produces these search warrants but I doubt they will produce them.
As far as Kona's son,heck yeah I want to know his alibi especially because he works/worked at the BeeHive and the BeeHive has always had my attention.
There is no confirmation that Lindsey did stop at someone's house after leaving KaraK's house.....not that I'm aware of.

Hi Karma and Tamikosmom,  I just got here and haven't read all the days posts yet, but one thing I was hoping to see tonight were the scanned copies of the SW's our DD said she/he would post here.   I'm also wondering if computers were taken which might track back to friends Lindsey might have had in her internet adventures.

I realize DD did get permission to share the warrants with us and maybe that has been nixed for now due to the sensitivity of the investigation.  If so I am hoping Klaas or a Mod will delete my post.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:34:22 PM
credits to KageyKaren at WS posted today at 4:42pm:

I'v been surfing again & all I can do is shake my head for many reasons. One of the subjects that is left to me to answer since I'm the one that made the statement that many of you read but never commented on. With honesty and confidence I shared Tim Miller's from TE financial backer and author post here. She's a great gal and so helpful in the Caylee case. I talked personally with the secreatary who spoke with Melissa Baums "neighbor" & 4 wks. later Melissa Baum. There are mistruths (thank you CA Caylee's grandma, for my new word) that have been spoken concerning a search. The secretary stated she thought both conversations were odd for first time callers. the neighbor stated she was calling on her own to get info about their services and would share with mom b. but that mom b was going to go with LRC's. Mom B called them, finally and told them she was sorry for the delay but LE had her computer. She then thanked them but told them she was using LRC. It seemed to me that Michelle B may have told her to use them. Secretary stated she told both women their service is free and if she changed her mind to give them a call. It was also shared with neighbor that Tes brings in their own volunteers (40-50) will train civillian volunteers as well. LRC is great but I would have picked TES to find my daughter so early into an investigation. JMO if my daughter could be in a forrest. There is way to much secretiveness going on so I took the time to clear up one subject for whatever it may be worth at this point. 


I don't understand this post at all. Can someone please summerize it for me?

BTW, thank you Northern Rose for such a good detailing of who Michelle is. I am not up on caylee's case and do not know the inner workings. Your post helped me to understand this person is thought of as an opportunist.

see MM's post here at:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.60


Also, if my daughter was missing I would not be waiting for 4 weeks to contact TES (because LE had my computer?), after this neighbor told me about their services.  Also, the secry at TES did NOT decline their services, rather that if MB changed her mind to let them know.    Another inconsistency?

Madre - thank you, now i know what you are saying.  Again, what to believe geez!  I would have TES there is a new york minute.  Hell, I'd have everyone and anyone willing to help!  I just dont get it   ::MonkeyNoNo::   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
awwww...JessStar and Fannie Mae...2 of the best sweetest posters ever!  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::luvs ya both!

Aaaw! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/grouphug.gif)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 09:37:09 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

Sorry but what is a dd's website?

DD = doubledecker.  it is a research site and has lots of usefull info on this case.  go to the link above.


Sorry Leroy, I saw your post to Edward after I posted and had a huge DAHHHHHH moment when I saw it.  TYVM.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:39:18 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

Sorry but what is a dd's website?

DD = doubledecker.  it is a research site and has lots of usefull info on this case.  go to the link above.


Sorry Leroy, I saw your post to Edward after I posted and had a huge DAHHHHHH moment when I saw it.  TYVM.

No problem...and good to see you (except everytime I see you post i get hungry...you have some amazing recipes!)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 09:40:05 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread
I will go check that out, thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 28, 2009, 09:41:01 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

Sorry but what is a dd's website?

DD = doubledecker.  it is a research site and has lots of usefull info on this case.  go to the link above.


Sorry Leroy, I saw your post to Edward after I posted and had a huge DAHHHHHH moment when I saw it.  TYVM.

No problem...and good to see you (except everytime I see you post i get hungry...you have some amazing recipes!)

Aww TY I try.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 09:41:24 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

yep i saw those...i have my thoughts on who that is

Who is it! My god they are so rude! I think I am being respectful but my goodness they are shooting nails!

I was actually gone for a while, I broke my finger, my business is very busy right now, been very over whelmed with work and kids... I missed a whole bunch of stuff, I do not know what happened with some of the things mentioned. I even missed the Kona posts if you want to know the truth, I have no idea who she is, just what I have read the past day or so.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

yep i saw those...i have my thoughts on who that is

Who is it! My god they are so rude! I think I am being respectful but my goodness they are shooting nails!

I was actually gone for a while, I broke my finger, my business is very busy right now, been very over whelmed with work and kids... I missed a whole bunch of stuff, I do not know what happened with some of the things mentioned. I even missed the Kona posts if you want to know the truth, I have no idea who she is, just what I have read the past day or so.

I posted over there who I thought it was...they denied it but I still think its them  ::MonkeyCool:: 

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who it is really...they are a distraction and its oh so obvious!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:46:57 PM
Tracygirl - do you know how to look at all posts from a certain poster?  That will catch you up on what Kona posted if that is what you missed.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

Sorry but what is a dd's website?

DD = doubledecker.  it is a research site and has lots of usefull info on this case.  go to the link above.


Sorry Leroy, I saw your post to Edward after I posted and had a huge DAHHHHHH moment when I saw it.  TYVM.

No problem...and good to see you (except everytime I see you post i get hungry...you have some amazing recipes!)

Aww TY I try.  ::MonkeyDance::

O/T - real quick, there is a What's Cooking thread..you should put your recipes there so they are easier to find   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 09:53:36 PM
there have been so many distractions in this case, i dont even know where to begin. all i know is the answer lies in mccleary


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 09:55:33 PM
there are some interesting comments being posted in on dd's website in the lb thread

yep i saw those...i have my thoughts on who that is

Who is it! My god they are so rude! I think I am being respectful but my goodness they are shooting nails!

I was actually gone for a while, I broke my finger, my business is very busy right now, been very over whelmed with work and kids... I missed a whole bunch of stuff, I do not know what happened with some of the things mentioned. I even missed the Kona posts if you want to know the truth, I have no idea who she is, just what I have read the past day or so.

I posted over there who I thought it was...they denied it but I still think its them  ::MonkeyCool:: 

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who it is really...they are a distraction and its oh so obvious!

Oh your the nice guest,lol. I find the posts interesting and now I think I know who it is. Seems strange this person would be so hostile, seems like this person would be a bit nicer and welcome the help. Maybe they would like to explain the hostility? Are we allowed to say her name here? lol,


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 28, 2009, 09:57:14 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:04:35 PM
LOL - i said her *name* in my post over there.  I may just be cranky but seriously the games need to stop...the lying needs to stop...the holier than thou needs to stop.  Where is LINDSEY!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:05:57 PM


Oh your the nice guest,lol. I find the posts interesting and now I think I know who it is. Seems strange this person would be so hostile, seems like this person would be a bit nicer and welcome the help. Maybe they would like to explain the hostility? Are we allowed to say her name here? lol,

I'm trying really hard to be nice...its easier to stand up for someone that you know who's heart is in the right place. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:12:08 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::

NoRose - i show up as a Guest over there...i think its a poster from another forum...but i'm not sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:18:29 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::

NoRose - i show up as a Guest over there...i think its a poster from another forum...but i'm not sure.
Thank-you I went back I saw the name you posted, either that, or one of her buddies from another forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 10:19:37 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::
I can't seem to navigate over there.  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am forum challenged.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 10:21:52 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::

No Rose, I bet I know what your hunch is and I'm sure you're right ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:21:58 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::
I can't seem to navigate over there.  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am forum challenged.  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Me too Fanny!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 10:24:13 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::
I can't seem to navigate over there.  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am forum challenged.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Try this Fanny
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 28, 2009, 10:26:51 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::

No Rose, I bet I know what your hunch is and I'm sure you're right ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyCool:: It sure reminds me of someone who I have read many posts from  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 10:30:26 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::

NoRose - i show up as a Guest over there...i think its a poster from another forum...but i'm not sure.
Thank-you I went back I saw the name you posted, either that, or one of her buddies from another forum.

yes, it is a little difficult, but look for the open discussions.
The reason it is difficult is that for the most part, the forum is a research forum as versus much of a discussion forum and lots and lots of threads are created to put research under it's own thread to find it easier.  I still put stuff in the wrong places, but the way dd has it set up, she can fix my mistakes.
I had really hoped Lindsey would have been brought home this weekend.  Sandra Cantu still haunts my thoughts and I want to do some more research on her case.
Justice for the voiceless ones!
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 28, 2009, 10:35:43 PM
yea or maybe use initials? i dunno i am not a mod lol
That would help, because I'm trying to figure out who it is, I have a hunch but that's it  ::MonkeyConfused::
I can't seem to navigate over there.  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am forum challenged.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Try this Fanny
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html

Yay! Thank You! (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/autumn.gif) (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/autumn.gif) (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/autumn.gif)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 10:45:01 PM
o/t - don't know if you have been keeping up with the Aarone Thompson, but the verdict has finally come in and he was found guilty of most of the charges.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1149.80

thank you Lord!!!!
 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 28, 2009, 10:46:07 PM
o/t - don't know if you have been keeping up with the Aarone Thompson, but the verdict has finally come in and he was found guilty of most of the charges.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1149.80

thank you Lord!!!!
 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041 :smt038 :smt041

Thank you Sister   ::MonkeyDance:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

<snippet>
OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 10:58:44 PM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

<snippet>
OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html




P.S.   Be Sure to watch the video with the story, BACKSTORY: BLOGS DEATH THREATS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 11:04:34 PM
Hi,
I have noticed that people have asked about LRC (Laura Recovery Center) and why have they not been back to McCleary? I spoke to Carrie, Amber Dubois mother. She has contacts with LRC. She stated that LRC generally only comes out once. They help train people and help them to get set up to do further searches etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
Hi,
I have noticed that people have asked about LRC (Laura Recovery Center) and why have they not been back to McCleary? I spoke to Carrie, Amber Dubois mother. She has contacts with LRC. She stated that LRC generally only comes out once. They help train people and help them to get set up to do further searches etc.

Thank you for that info Sebastian


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 11:50:55 PM


Oh your the nice guest,lol. I find the posts interesting and now I think I know who it is. Seems strange this person would be so hostile, seems like this person would be a bit nicer and welcome the help. Maybe they would like to explain the hostility? Are we allowed to say her name here? lol,

I'm trying really hard to be nice...its easier to stand up for someone that you know who's heart is in the right place. 

I am really trying to understand this person, I cant seem to. She is so hostile and it appears to me to be for no reason. I don't get it, very strange way of acting. So is this the person who is acting in charge over in McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 11:56:15 PM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

<snippet>
OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


I can't help but to wonder if this was done because she (kona) was searching for Lindsey. Was this a way to keep her quiet? Was it done with malice? I wonder what the FBI thinks now? Wonder if they are now looking at the person who contacted them about this family? Maybe they should because you just never know, especially in a case like this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 12:16:20 AM
Kona is Konamocha? Ohhhh wow just read her posts, seemed like she was calling out people, especially on the 23rd, hmmmm interesting timing.

She said something which concerns me, she mentioned flyers where not handed out at some garage sale as promised by a particular person with the name beginning with a "J". Is this true? Anyone? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 12:45:44 AM
Kona is Konamocha? Ohhhh wow just read her posts, seemed like she was calling out people, especially on the 23rd, hmmmm interesting timing.

She said something which concerns me, she mentioned flyers where not handed out at some garage sale as promised by a particular person with the name beginning with a "J". Is this true? Anyone? 

Tracygirl, apparently this garage sale is town-wide.  Big goings on.  As best I have been able to discover, no flyers handed out and someone said there weren't any flyers on MB's table which was being manned by someone other than MB.  I have no first hand knowledge of this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 29, 2009, 04:10:28 AM
Kona is Konamocha? Ohhhh wow just read her posts, seemed like she was calling out people, especially on the 23rd, hmmmm interesting timing.

She said something which concerns me, she mentioned flyers where not handed out at some garage sale as promised by a particular person with the name beginning with a "J". Is this true? Anyone? 

Tracygirl, apparently this garage sale is town-wide.  Big goings on.  As best I have been able to discover, no flyers handed out and someone said there weren't any flyers on MB's table which was being manned by someone other than MB.  I have no first hand knowledge of this.


I can say i do have first hand knowldge of this and I went to over 20 garage sales on the day of the city wide sale and not one sale did i see ANY yes NOT ONE flyer. But they could have all been at the 15 sales i kept on driving past cause there was nothing there. So just to let you know . I SAW NO FLYERS AT ALL and niether did my friend or her parents who went to diffrent sales than we did.... and i will stand by my words. so bring it if u think im lieing ... lol joking ... but really :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 09:19:04 AM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:26:13 AM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html
humm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
 Condoms and pornographic magazines, well that would be something very rare to find in someone's house  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 10:04:59 AM
Condoms and pornographic magazines, well that would be something very rare to find in someone's house  ::MonkeyRoll::

i totally agree! i wonder why they took them? maybe to try to look for dna evidence?

i'm sorry but anyone that has two boys prob has condoms and most likely some type of porn in their home (not to be gross or disrespectful but its almost a fact of life, its human nature, unless of course it is child porn then we have a different story but i highly doubt that)  why would they publish that in the article but not the fact that they took a computer? geeze. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 10:27:59 AM
Condoms and pornographic magazines, well that would be something very rare to find in someone's house  ::MonkeyRoll::

i totally agree! i wonder why they took them? maybe to try to look for dna evidence?

i'm sorry but anyone that has two boys prob has condoms and most likely some type of porn in their home (not to be gross or disrespectful but its almost a fact of life, its human nature, unless of course it is child porn then we have a different story but i highly doubt that)  why would they publish that in the article but not the fact that they took a computer? geeze. 
It's just plain silly  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 10:30:52 AM
if you guys havent read this yet, i highly recommend reading it, it's a very interesting theory from dd's website and i think it's something we all should think about... it's about the possibility of lindsey being hurt in the woods..let me know what you all think, i personally think it makes a ton of sense

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/was-lindsey-hurt-out-in-the-woods-t1320.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 10:35:18 AM
if you guys havent read this yet, i highly recommend reading it, it's a very interesting theory from dd's website and i think it's something we all should think about... it's about the possibility of lindsey being hurt in the woods..let me know what you all think, i personally think it makes a ton of sense

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/was-lindsey-hurt-out-in-the-woods-t1320.html
That is very interesting, that could be a possibility. About the porno mags taken out of the house, if it was child porn, then that is a whole lot different, maybe we will here wha exactly the mags were.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 10:42:38 AM
does anyone remember any info about the second house lindsey reportedly went to after kk's the night she went missing?? apparently she wasnt getting along with one of the girls there and they just recently became friends again, but the girl was really mean to her??

i'm gonna go try to find previous posts about it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
does anyone remember any info about the second house lindsey reportedly went to after kk's the night she went missing?? apparently she wasnt getting along with one of the girls there and they just recently became friends again, but the girl was really mean to her??

i'm gonna go try to find previous posts about it
I remember that, but don't know if that was a fact or rumor  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
the posts about lb stopping at the home she was swimming that day on her way home from karak's begin here :  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.1300

here is the post by DD that starts on that page that begins to explain it, you can continue reading on from there for more info (i am bad at learning how to bring things over from previous threads! sorry)


"In the process of elimination:

let see, melissa, josh, kara, scott, etc.

how about in the process of elimination we add ML to that list
after all lindsey always ran there ML says. "
ML was not living in mccleary for some time, yet she states lindsey told her this or that, well how did lindsey tell her this and that if she is not in the same town?
ML comes out of nowhere to point at melissa and josh, says she has a report to prove it.
When I ask for evidence of that report, then the story changes to she does not know if a report was made or not.
Lindsey was at Tag & Libbys that day(more to this whole story coming) and these are Marilyn's good friends.
First I am told a local said lindsey stopped at tag and libby's on the way home and asked to spend the night. then marilyn says NO, not at tag and libby's at Kara's.
Then marilyn says that lindsey does not know anyone else on that street and lindsey headed straight home, well marilyn knows full well Lindsey knows Tag and Libby. But for some reason she doesn't want anyone to know that? why?
And how does marilyn know Lindsey did or did not stop anywhere else, or who lindsey might know for that matter when she has not even lived in the town for some time. Is she monitoring where lindsey goes and who she knows?

how is it that someone who knows marilyn so well keeps seeing kara's daughter at the library when they don't live in that town. According to Kara lindsey was with kara's daughter nearly everyday, so was lindsey at the library a lot also? did the person who is marilyn's friend see lindsey at the library all those time she also saw kara's daughter there? why are you at a library in another town, especially, when you are saying you never go anywhere?

Why does everything a local says about what they saw or know, change after Marilyn finds out what they said?

and "roger", oh yes, "Roger" is that roger rabbit pulled out of the magician's hat.. wow, someone who can make people appear out of nowhere, hmmm, can they make someone disappear out of nowhere also? magician which they are?

come now, let's stop talking falsely now, the hour is getting late.
from my good old friend JIMI hendrix that is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Thanks Sunshine  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Leroy

Thank you for highlighting those segments of the article.

I am inclined to give LE the benefit of the doubt that the search had a credible foundation of suspicion or a judge would never have approved the warrant.

Considering LE concedes that nothing which appears to be case related was found in the search ... I cannot comprehend why it is claimed that a member of this family is being framed.  I assume that framed would imply that planted evidence would have be located.  Also ... the neighbours appear to uphold the family.

It has not been revealed ... as far as I know ... what the "wrong" answer the young man gave LE.  Could it be that the wrong answer arouse suspicion and therefore it was the catalyst which resulted in the search warrant.

The LE appear to be damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Janet

++++++


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

Pimentel said the next step is sending the dozens of boxes and bags of evidence on to the state’s crime lab for forensic analysis.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 11:38:36 AM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 11:50:48 AM
Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 11:50:55 AM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
You know that's a great thought, and could very well be how this all started  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 11:54:11 AM
Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?


yes that is true, j herself said that on websleuths, i will go try to find a link


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 11:57:32 AM
the posts about lb stopping at the home she was swimming that day on her way home from karak's begin here :  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.1300

here is the post by DD that starts on that page that begins to explain it, you can continue reading on from there for more info (i am bad at learning how to bring things over from previous threads! sorry)


"In the process of elimination:

let see, melissa, josh, kara, scott, etc.

how about in the process of elimination we add ML to that list
after all lindsey always ran there ML says. "
ML was not living in mccleary for some time, yet she states lindsey told her this or that, well how did lindsey tell her this and that if she is not in the same town?
ML comes out of nowhere to point at melissa and josh, says she has a report to prove it.
When I ask for evidence of that report, then the story changes to she does not know if a report was made or not.
Lindsey was at Tag & Libbys that day(more to this whole story coming) and these are Marilyn's good friends.
First I am told a local said lindsey stopped at tag and libby's on the way home and asked to spend the night. then marilyn says NO, not at tag and libby's at Kara's.
Then marilyn says that lindsey does not know anyone else on that street and lindsey headed straight home, well marilyn knows full well Lindsey knows Tag and Libby. But for some reason she doesn't want anyone to know that? why?
And how does marilyn know Lindsey did or did not stop anywhere else, or who lindsey might know for that matter when she has not even lived in the town for some time. Is she monitoring where lindsey goes and who she knows?

how is it that someone who knows marilyn so well keeps seeing kara's daughter at the library when they don't live in that town. According to Kara lindsey was with kara's daughter nearly everyday, so was lindsey at the library a lot also? did the person who is marilyn's friend see lindsey at the library all those time she also saw kara's daughter there? why are you at a library in another town, especially, when you are saying you never go anywhere?

Why does everything a local says about what they saw or know, change after Marilyn finds out what they said?

and "roger", oh yes, "Roger" is that roger rabbit pulled out of the magician's hat.. wow, someone who can make people appear out of nowhere, hmmm, can they make someone disappear out of nowhere also? magician which they are?

come now, let's stop talking falsely now, the hour is getting late.
from my good old friend JIMI hendrix that is.


I agree with Klaas and I agree with DD regarding ... in the process of elimination ... all those with a connection to Lindsey should be considered persons of interest.  However ...  considering the witness sightings at 5th and Maple at 9:30 PM ... sooo close to home and ... the questions should be asked:

1.  Did Lindsey make it to her destination?
2.  Has her mother and brother been considered persons of interest by LE.
3.  Was a warrant issued that allowed LE to search the Baum residence and property?
4.  Why is Lindsey's room ... three months later ... still taped?

Janet

+++++++

klaasend
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1466 on: September 26, 2009, 06:52:00 PM »


... How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg959361#msg959361



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?


yes that is true, j herself said that on websleuths, i will go try to find a link

Is this fact or rumor, The ex is that one guy on the myspace pages? I can't recall his name, I know we asked about him because he was listed as friends with some of the kids, Kara said it was the kids uncle or something. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 12:07:22 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 12:08:55 PM
Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
[/quote)

From what I have read the person that was trying to get Kona to give her real name was Jennifer.....So, following your thought pattern, do you believe that Jennifer was the one that started this with LE regarding Kona?   I believe she is the same one posting on DD's web site. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".

Wow that is a small world isn't it? Funny how this man is in the same general area as she is in, her dil is, kara is and never had their paths crossed. Even Kara taking care of the DIL's grandmother....So does this DIL and son know Kara? Why would Kara say it was an uncle if it was an ex..I do recall that correctly right? She stated he was like an uncle or an uncle....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 12:18:02 PM
Jennifer should have just referred Kona to a LE officer, they are there aren't they? Supposed to be. Ron and Don said they are not there, not watching over the searches so I don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".

Wow that is a small world isn't it? Funny how this man is in the same general area as she is in, her dil is, kara is and never had their paths crossed. Even Kara taking care of the DIL's grandmother....So does this DIL and son know Kara? Why would Kara say it was an uncle if it was an ex..I do recall that correctly right? She stated he was like an uncle or an uncle....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 12:26:20 PM
lol I saw that after I posted, lol!  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Thanks I need more coffee!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 12:34:25 PM
lol I saw that after I posted, lol!  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Thanks I need more coffee!

I want just one cuppa Tim Hortons coffee.

I need the buzz.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

I quit coffee a while back and the morning cobwebs do not clear until afternoon.  Green tea does not cut it.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 12:43:43 PM
if you guys havent read this yet, i highly recommend reading it, it's a very interesting theory from dd's website and i think it's something we all should think about... it's about the possibility of lindsey being hurt in the woods..let me know what you all think, i personally think it makes a ton of sense

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/was-lindsey-hurt-out-in-the-woods-t1320.html

thanks sunshine.  Lindsey's curfew wasnt until 10pm...it is very possible that she decided to go with people she knew into the woods knowing she still had a half an hour to be home (if you consider the sighting at 5th and Maple at 9:30).  Or perhaps the plan wasn't to go to the woods but elsewhere...

As a kid, I never went home before my curfew...i always found something to do up until I had to be home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 12:47:57 PM
Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!


Tracygirl,  Don of the Ron and Don radio show appears to have been "distraught" after he went to McCleary for the search.  He said  on his radio show that he called the FBI afterwards and said more people need  to be interrogated and have lie detectors.  I suggest you read the transcript of his show posted  earlier here.  I think the thread before this one.  I've got to go, BBL, but if you haven't found it when I get back, I'll find it for you.  Anyway, I felt that he had the same concerns you have.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 12:55:33 PM
If my memory serves me, MelissaB did take a poly (as did KK's boyfriend).  According to reports, she passed the poly.  In order to do a good poly, a discussion happends before the poly and some questions are answered before the poly begins, in order to give the basis of reading truth.  The examiner talks to the one being examined before the test is administered and shares in a general way what kind of questions are going to be asked.  The one being examined has already provided the examiner with some info such as name, address, age, where they work, are they married, do they have children, the name of the children, etc etc etc  I would think other questions might be:  is your name MelissB, do you live at _____, are you ___ of age, do you know where your daughter is, do you have any children, do your work at _____,   do you know who took your daughter?  (remembering, these are all yes or no questions).  Consequently, if MB thought her son had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, she would probably be asked via do you know who took your daughter and even if not asked directly about Josh, the answer to other questions would indicate deceptiveness.
Having said all of that, I have no reliable source, and others may, that anyone passed the polys nor do I know how many polys have been given and to whom.  Unlike executed search warrants, to my knowledge, who a poly is given to does not fall under right of public knowledge.  Such information would be given to a defense lawyer at the appropriate time under discovery.
Once the person who has been given a poly speaks of it in public, then LE could say if what said person said is true or not, meaning MB said she passed.  To my knowledge, we have never heard LE or anyone say her statement about passing the poly was untrue (same thing with KK's boyfriend). 
Now when JessStar comes on -- maybe she can enlighten us further and/or correct any mistakes I've written.  I have witnessed numerous polys being administered and I have not been a practicing paralegal in years so my memory ain't what it used to be.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?
Interesting, wouldn't doubt it, but have not heard that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 01:01:05 PM
Kona should have simply been asked to give her name to LE, J is not LE and she didn't need to give it to her.

The flyers should have been on every table in town, every light post, every door...no reason there was none to be seen. Shameful.

I received some information that I can't varify so maybe you all can help. Is it true that a certain person with the initial J daughter inlaw is related to Kara's ex boyfriend? Is this common knowledge?
Interesting, wouldn't doubt it, but have not heard that.
And I see that sunshine answered that, thanks  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 01:13:53 PM
THE POLYGRAPHS

The only words of Sheriff Scott that I have read regarding the issue of polygraphys is the following article.  Please note that Scott states that the polygraphs were taken at the request of Melissa Baum and Scott Williams ... not requested by LE.  I realized that nobody can be forced to take a polygraph but ... considering their direct connection to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... in the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not immediately requested by LE.

Nevertheless ... considering the argument and ... all the underlying issues that have been revealed regarding Josh ... was this young man ever a serious focus in regards to a person of interest and interrogated accordingly or ... are there legal boundaries that LE cannot cross when it comes to a minor?

Janet

+++++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 01:18:52 PM
Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!


Tracygirl,  Don of the Ron and Don radio show appears to have been "distraught" after he went to McCleary for the search.  He said  on his radio show that he called the FBI afterwards and said more people need  to be interrogated and have lie detectors.  I suggest you read the transcript of his show posted  earlier here.  I think the thread before this one.  I've got to go, BBL, but if you haven't found it when I get back, I'll find it for you.  Anyway, I felt that he had the same concerns you have.


Tracygirl, here is the link to the transcript I found very interesting from Don (not from McCleary and not involved in this case):

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1160



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 01:19:01 PM
If Kona's words regarding Josh's aggression issues were untrue ... why did Melissa McCann not refute those words?

Janet

++++++


JOSH BAUM


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect.. I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 01:21:33 PM
i keep coming back to harry oakes' dog report, in my opinion that seems to be the only piece of information we have that i personally think is credible.

harry oakes' has nothing to lose by telling the truth, unlike many of the other people involved in this case.  there is nothing that would make me not believe his report.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
[/quote)

From what I have read the person that was trying to get Kona to give her real name was Jennifer.....So, following your thought pattern, do you believe that Jennifer was the one that started this with LE regarding Kona?   I believe she is the same one posting on DD's web site. 

AZSunny IMO I think you're right.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
I wanted to bring this post over by tamiko's mom, its from the beck street thread and is in regards to the dog scent from harry oakes...i think its very interesting and may show that lb could have made it home or to the area right near her house the night she went missing..

"Harry Oakes' words are confusing concerning Beck Street and the death scent.  I have read them over and over and over again attempting to make sense of them.

My understanding is that Mr. Oakes' was indicating that a deceased Lindsey was being transported on an ATV or a motor cycle on Beck.  I would assume the  search was conducted on foot when the dog/s are considered.

Harry Oakes does not mention anything about 1st Street in the email.  However ... I do speculate  that the route to Beck Street could have been 1st Street when you consider the location of the Baum residence.  Think about it.  Lindsey was thisclose to home when when she was observed the the witnesses.

The "or" tells me that Harry Oakes was uncertain to as to the type of vehicle.

IMO

Janet  "


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 01:38:34 PM
Leroy, yes, I never came home before curfew either...Would take every single second of time I had left!

sister, thank you for the poly information.

Thanks for the link to the interview... I am reading it now, I had listened to the show on line from their archives list, but reading is a bit different.

So LE is not at the searches...Wonder if that is still the case....He did state there were flyers up when he went, although poly klass people were there too, so that may have something to do with it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
THE POLYGRAPHS

The only words of Sheriff Scott that I have read regarding the issue of polygraphys is the following article.  Please note that Scott states that the polygraphs were taken at the request of Melissa Baum and Scott Williams ... not requested by LE.  I realized that nobody can be forced to take a polygraph but ... considering their direct connection to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... in the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not immediately requested by LE.

Nevertheless ... considering the argument and ... all the underlying issues that have been revealed regarding Josh ... was this young man ever a serious focus in regards to a person of interest and interrogated accordingly or ... are there legal boundaries that LE cannot cross when it comes to a minor?

Janet

+++++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

Thanks Janet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!


Tracygirl,  Don of the Ron and Don radio show appears to have been "distraught" after he went to McCleary for the search.  He said  on his radio show that he called the FBI afterwards and said more people need  to be interrogated and have lie detectors.  I suggest you read the transcript of his show posted  earlier here.  I think the thread before this one.  I've got to go, BBL, but if you haven't found it when I get back, I'll find it for you.  Anyway, I felt that he had the same concerns you have.


Tracygirl, here is the link to the transcript I found very interesting from Don (not from McCleary and not involved in this case):

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1160


With regards to Don, of the Ron and Don radio show, I think his timing in this matter is rather telling. He shows up to McCleary. He goes to the last place that Lindsey is seen. He talks to some of the locals. He contacts his sources in Le. Waalaa, an all out investigation takes place over at Kona Mochas house. My personal opinion is that the locals who spoke to Don started telling him their theories about Kona's son. He hears the stories, sees the place that Lindsey was last seen (right by The Beehive Retirement) and his wheels start spinning. The other thought that I had regarding Don and his trip to McCleary, is after talking to the locals, hearing all the different versions of the events, the backstabbing, the untruths, the half truths, he just went "Wow, someone knows something in that town, or why all the lies". I mean after all, this is and should only be about an innocent 11 year old girl who has been missing for 3 months.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 01:46:14 PM
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THIS......WAS THERE A CONTACT MADE, AND A SEARCH??

Quote from: doubledecker on 23 September 2009, 19:59:00
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
i keep coming back to harry oakes' dog report, in my opinion that seems to be the only piece of information we have that i personally think is credible.

harry oakes' has nothing to lose by telling the truth, unlike many of the other people involved in this case.  there is nothing that would make me not believe his report.

I believe his report too. I don't think there is any kind of conflict of interest in his involvement to the case. Dogs don't lie, they do what they are trained to do...they do not have a vested or otherwise, interest in the outcome of this case. They just want their food, water and a place to sleep.

BTW, kona posted that Ron and Don transcript...me thinks she upset people mighty good!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 01:47:59 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 01:51:40 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

According to DD's post today, there was a "tag & Libby". Who are they, and could Lindsey have gone there after KK's?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 01:54:21 PM
THE POLYGRAPHS

The only words of Sheriff Scott that I have read regarding the issue of polygraphys is the following article.  Please note that Scott states that the polygraphs were taken at the request of Melissa Baum and Scott Williams ... not requested by LE.  I realized that nobody can be forced to take a polygraph but ... considering their direct connection to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... in the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not immediately requested by LE.

Nevertheless ... considering the argument and ... all the underlying issues that have been revealed regarding Josh ... was this young man ever a serious focus in regards to a person of interest and interrogated accordingly or ... are there legal boundaries that LE cannot cross when it comes to a minor?

Janet

+++++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

Thanks Janet.

I wonder who else have had poly's. Did all of the last people who saw her have one? I think Kara said she did not, which made us all go, "what?"
What about the other people in the house that night? Isn't it usual for the last people to see the missing person all be given a poly? Seems like common sense to me. and what about now, since so much has been investigated, is there a rule that states a person can only be given one poly? What about if a person who has been given one, then learns of how a crime happened??? maybe another poly may be in order? Someone knows something....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 01:54:51 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

Hi Madre,  I thought it was about 10 days to 2 weeks later which would put it on Tuesday, July 7th.  I'd have to go back and look it up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 01:55:43 PM
Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!


Tracygirl,  Don of the Ron and Don radio show appears to have been "distraught" after he went to McCleary for the search.  He said  on his radio show that he called the FBI afterwards and said more people need  to be interrogated and have lie detectors.  I suggest you read the transcript of his show posted  earlier here.  I think the thread before this one.  I've got to go, BBL, but if you haven't found it when I get back, I'll find it for you.  Anyway, I felt that he had the same concerns you have.


Tracygirl, here is the link to the transcript I found very interesting from Don (not from McCleary and not involved in this case):

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1160


With regards to Don, of the Ron and Don radio show, I think his timing in this matter is rather telling. He shows up to McCleary. He goes to the last place that Lindsey is seen. He talks to some of the locals. He contacts his sources in Le. Waalaa, an all out investigation takes place over at Kona Mochas house. My personal opinion is that the locals who spoke to Don started telling him their theories about Kona's son. He hears the stories, sees the place that Lindsey was last seen (right by The Beehive Retirement) and his wheels start spinning. The other thought that I had regarding Don and his trip to McCleary, is after talking to the locals, hearing all the different versions of the events, the backstabbing, the untruths, the half truths, he just went "Wow, someone knows something in that town, or why all the lies". I mean after all, this is and should only be about an innocent 11 year old girl who has been missing for 3 months.

Interesting observation, and I agree with you that either of these scenarios is very possible. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 01:58:31 PM
Janet I am sort of feeling like the people close to this case all need to just take poly's and see what happens. Start lining them up, hooking them up and get going!


Tracygirl,  Don of the Ron and Don radio show appears to have been "distraught" after he went to McCleary for the search.  He said  on his radio show that he called the FBI afterwards and said more people need  to be interrogated and have lie detectors.  I suggest you read the transcript of his show posted  earlier here.  I think the thread before this one.  I've got to go, BBL, but if you haven't found it when I get back, I'll find it for you.  Anyway, I felt that he had the same concerns you have.


Tracygirl, here is the link to the transcript I found very interesting from Don (not from McCleary and not involved in this case):

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1160


With regards to Don, of the Ron and Don radio show, I think his timing in this matter is rather telling. He shows up to McCleary. He goes to the last place that Lindsey is seen. He talks to some of the locals. He contacts his sources in Le. Waalaa, an all out investigation takes place over at Kona Mochas house. My personal opinion is that the locals who spoke to Don started telling him their theories about Kona's son. He hears the stories, sees the place that Lindsey was last seen (right by The Beehive Retirement) and his wheels start spinning. The other thought that I had regarding Don and his trip to McCleary, is after talking to the locals, hearing all the different versions of the events, the backstabbing, the untruths, the half truths, he just went "Wow, someone knows something in that town, or why all the lies". I mean after all, this is and should only be about an innocent 11 year old girl who has been missing for 3 months.


I agree, I believe Don was "shaking things up" after he left McCleary.  Thank God, BTW.  Totally IMO, but I feel his concern was about your second thought above because I believe the Kona angle was already in play by then (with LE/FBI).  IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:00:11 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

I think the witness was said to be on his/her way to work or something. It is strange they waited to come forward. and why the big secret about who this person is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
mb's myspace status says:

Please help me find my missing 11 year old daughter who vanished without a trace on our street in McCleary, WA

is this just a mistake on her part or was lindsey really last seen on her street, not the street the media is reporting she was last seen on?


http://www.myspace.com/247474600


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

Hi Madre,  I thought it was about 10 days to 2 weeks later which would put it on Tuesday, July 7th.  I'd have to go back and look it up.

Thanks Scandi, I appreciate you looking it up...interesting


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 02:07:55 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

Hi Madre,  I thought it was about 10 days to 2 weeks later which would put it on Tuesday, July 7th.  I'd have to go back and look it up.

Thanks Scandi, I appreciate you looking it up...interesting

Oops, That was what I remembered but I will try to find it.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:09:15 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

I think the witness was said to be on his/her way to work or something. It is strange they waited to come forward. and why the big secret about who this person is?

Just one of my $64,000 questions!!  IIRC, one witness is a co-worker of MB and sent Josh home, texted MB, got a response back and later saw Lindsey walking ?.  The second witness came forward later (Scandi looking it up).  I think this one works for the county?  and yes, WHY THE SECRECY?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:10:38 PM
mb's myspace status says:

Please help me find my missing 11 year old daughter who vanished without a trace on our street in McCleary, WA

is this just a mistake on her part or was lindsey really last seen on her street, not the street the media is reporting she was last seen on?


http://www.myspace.com/247474600


What?!??!??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:12:47 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

I think the witness was said to be on his/her way to work or something. It is strange they waited to come forward. and why the big secret about who this person is?

Just one of my $64,000 questions!!  IIRC, one witness is a co-worker of MB and sent Josh home, texted MB, got a response back and later saw Lindsey walking ?.  The second witness came forward later (Scandi looking it up).  I think this one works for the county?  and yes, WHY THE SECRECY?

I think the only thing I can think of is this person was looked at pretty heavily and this person didn't want to have his/her name out there for the world to investigate?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.


I'm speechless.  I know we are all different, but........................?

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 02:14:12 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


Oh Geez, All I can say to this is WOW! If my child was missing for 3 months, the LAST thing I would be interested in is a new man in my life! She needs "Me time"? Isn't she unemployed and isn't Josh back to school? That would enable her to have at least 5 hours a day of "Me time". I am also curious, as this was brought up on another site. Where did Melissa B work?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:14:47 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.




Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your



Sorry I messed that quote up.  Anyway, I'm speechless.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:17:15 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


Now I am going to say, I do not now or ever expect a person who's child is missing to ever act in a normal functioning way. god knows they have so much on their plate, getting out of bed in the morning most be tough. Craving normalcy in life could be a typical reaction. This is why friends, family and advisors are so important. If any of them are reading this, please advise her to take this down?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Sunshine, I've always been curious as to whether Lindsey stopped off at another person's house after she allegedly left Kara's.  IIRC, no one has ever confirmed or denied this.

I have also wondered why it took a 2nd witness days to come forward (saying they saw Lindsey the night she disappeared, supposedly after leaving Kara's).  IIRC, it was the following Tues. that this witness came forward.

I think the witness was said to be on his/her way to work or something. It is strange they waited to come forward. and why the big secret about who this person is?

Just one of my $64,000 questions!!  IIRC, one witness is a co-worker of MB and sent Josh home, texted MB, got a response back and later saw Lindsey walking ?.  The second witness came forward later (Scandi looking it up).  I think this one works for the county?  and yes, WHY THE SECRECY?

I think the only thing I can think of is this person was looked at pretty heavily and this person didn't want to have his/her name out there for the world to investigate?


But there have been tons of cases where the eyewitness' statements were publicized.  I pointed out yesterday i.e. the Amber Dubois case where not only did witnesses  come forward but an animated videotape was made based on one eyewitness' recollection.  Anyway, if you have nothing to hide, why would you be so secretive?  Just saying.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 02:19:58 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


Now I am going to say, I do not now or ever expect a person who's child is missing to ever act in a normal functioning way. god knows they have so much on their plate, getting out of bed in the morning most be tough. Craving normalcy in life could be a typical reaction. This is why friends, family and advisors are so important. If any of them are reading this, please advise her to take this down?

From everything that I have heard KK is her "advisor".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 02:21:45 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.




Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your



Sorry I messed that quote up.  Anyway, I'm speechless.

I was too.  I know we all react differently to situations, but her child is still missing!! Shouldn't this be the message on her blog?  Bizarre...just totally Bizarre.
  (My husband died 14 months ago, and I am still not ready to even consider looking for a  new mate!)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:22:45 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


Now I am going to say, I do not now or ever expect a person who's child is missing to ever act in a normal functioning way. god knows they have so much on their plate, getting out of bed in the morning most be tough. Craving normalcy in life could be a typical reaction. This is why friends, family and advisors are so important. If any of them are reading this, please advise her to take this down?

From everything that I have heard KK is her "advisor".


...with some MM on the side and maybe some J. as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:24:35 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.




Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your



Sorry I messed that quote up.  Anyway, I'm speechless.

I was too.  I know we all react differently to situations, but her child is still missing!! Shouldn't this be the message on her blog?  Bizarre...just totally Bizarre.
  (My husband died 14 months ago, and I am still not ready to even consider looking for a  new mate!)

AZSunny, my prayers are with you ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 02:24:59 PM
i keep coming back to harry oakes' dog report, in my opinion that seems to be the only piece of information we have that i personally think is credible.

harry oakes' has nothing to lose by telling the truth, unlike many of the other people involved in this case.  there is nothing that would make me not believe his report.

I believe his report too. I don't think there is any kind of conflict of interest in his involvement to the case. Dogs don't lie, they do what they are trained to do...they do not have a vested or otherwise, interest in the outcome of this case. They just want their food, water and a place to sleep.

BTW, kona posted that Ron and Don transcript...me thinks she upset people mighty good!


Unless there is a cover up ... Why?

Other than that her reaction to the search warrant ... nothing Kona has done in the pursuit of answers in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum has upset me ... why should her words and actions upset anybody.

I will again say ... in the process of elimination ... if for whatever reason the investigtion led LE to my house and property with or without a search warrant ... LE would have my full cooperation without complaint.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 02:25:17 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your

  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: I will refrain from posting what I'm thinking, but I know one thing, if I were in her position, I would not be on myspace, and I would not be looking for any darn man  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 02:26:40 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


Now I am going to say, I do not now or ever expect a person who's child is missing to ever act in a normal functioning way. god knows they have so much on their plate, getting out of bed in the morning most be tough. Craving normalcy in life could be a typical reaction. This is why friends, family and advisors are so important. If any of them are reading this, please advise her to take this down?

From everything that I have heard KK is her "advisor".
I believe she needs a new advisor.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:26:42 PM
KK? J is too? right? I have been told that recently. Well KK and J please advise MB that now is not the right time, this is going to be taken the wrong way and will prove to only be a distraction as people will stop talking about theories and what if's and will only talk about your lack of care and need for a man.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 02:26:52 PM
if its true that lb's bathing suit is missing, i think its possible lb made it home that night after she left kk's, got her bathing suit, and went out again with someone.  i guess the only question i have would be, then why would mb call kk and ask her where lb was? i dont know the layout of their house but i would think mb or jb would see lindsey if she came back home before going back out again.
 
it makes no sense to me that she would put her bathing suit back on under her clothes after she showered. this makes no sense! i dont think kk's daughter has any reason to lie about lb taking a shower and then the 2 of them walking to kk's house.

sorry if this post made no sense  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 02:27:46 PM
AZSunny, I'm so sorry  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 02:29:50 PM
I did find this post I wrote at WS on Monday July 6th so I think you are right and the second witness was reported on the Tues after she went missing:

"I did venture out tonight in my Easter finery at SM and asked KaraK if this person lived on Maple or on the other side of 3rd St. She answered that there were 2 sightings of Lindsay on Maple and that the first of those sightings was the same person that sent Josh home earlier Being as she is one of the last ones to see Lindsay alive I think I can take that as a confirmation".

I aqlso found this article dated July 6th which mentions the second witness: 

" Lindsey Baum is Missing: Washington 10-Year-Old Still Not Found
Police Believe Lindsey Baum was Taken by Someone She Knew
<snipped>
McCleary Police and other authorities now believe that Lindsey Baum was taken or went off with someone she knew. A timeline has been developed and a witness saw the little girl walking about halfway to her destination at around 9:15. Surveillance footage taken from a gas station she would have passed later on the way home does not show her at all. That close to her home, officials believe that she went with someone she knew willingly, otherwise sounds and signs of a struggle would have alerted people in the densely housed area.

Lindsey's mother, Melissa, has passed a polygraph test, as has Scott Williams, the father of the child where Lindsey Baum was visiting and one of the last people to see her.

Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8)
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:30:33 PM
i keep coming back to harry oakes' dog report, in my opinion that seems to be the only piece of information we have that i personally think is credible.

harry oakes' has nothing to lose by telling the truth, unlike many of the other people involved in this case.  there is nothing that would make me not believe his report.

I believe his report too. I don't think there is any kind of conflict of interest in his involvement to the case. Dogs don't lie, they do what they are trained to do...they do not have a vested or otherwise, interest in the outcome of this case. They just want their food, water and a place to sleep.

BTW, kona posted that Ron and Don transcript...me thinks she upset people mighty good!


Unless there is a cover up ... Why?

Other than that her reaction to the search warrant ... nothing Kona has done in the pursuit of answers in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum has upset me ... why should her words and actions upset anybody.

I will again say ... in the process of elimination ... if for whatever reason the investigtion led LE to my house and property with or without a search warrant ... LE would have my full cooperation without complaint.

Janet

 

Hypothetically speaking, what if Don saw/heard things that day, being around some of the searchers, MB, KK, etc. that made his hinky meter go up?  After I  read the transcript that was posted here, it made it clear to me that something aroused his suspicions and led him to contact Seattle LE and then the FBI.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
AZSunny, I'm so sorry  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks, it was very, very difficult.  I think I spent the first 3 months in bed sobbing. (actually still do sometimes! LOL)

 I just am amazed at this reaction from MB, particulary at this time with her daughter still missing.  Perhaps Tracygirl is right, we all react very differently to a loss. Perhaps she wants someone to share this with and help her through all this....who knows?? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:36:14 PM
I did find this post I wrote at WS on Monday July 6th so I think you are right and the second witness was reported on the Tues after she went missing:

"I did venture out tonight in my Easter finery at SM and asked KaraK if this person lived on Maple or on the other side of 3rd St. She answered that there were 2 sightings of Lindsay on Maple and that the first of those sightings was the same person that sent Josh home earlier Being as she is one of the last ones to see Lindsay alive I think I can take that as a confirmation".

I aqlso found this article dated July 6th which mentions the second witness: 

" Lindsey Baum is Missing: Washington 10-Year-Old Still Not Found
Police Believe Lindsey Baum was Taken by Someone She Knew
<snipped>
McCleary Police and other authorities now believe that Lindsey Baum was taken or went off with someone she knew. A timeline has been developed and a witness saw the little girl walking about halfway to her destination at around 9:15. Surveillance footage taken from a gas station she would have passed later on the way home does not show her at all. That close to her home, officials believe that she went with someone she knew willingly, otherwise sounds and signs of a struggle would have alerted people in the densely housed area.

Lindsey's mother, Melissa, has passed a polygraph test, as has Scott Williams, the father of the child where Lindsey Baum was visiting and one of the last people to see her.

Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8)
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Thank you Scandi.  So many questions about timeline that day....no concrete answers IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 02:39:02 PM
I did find this post I wrote at WS on Monday July 6th so I think you are right and the second witness was reported on the Tues after she went missing:

"I did venture out tonight in my Easter finery at SM and asked KaraK if this person lived on Maple or on the other side of 3rd St. She answered that there were 2 sightings of Lindsay on Maple and that the first of those sightings was the same person that sent Josh home earlier Being as she is one of the last ones to see Lindsay alive I think I can take that as a confirmation".

I aqlso found this article dated July 6th which mentions the second witness: 

" Lindsey Baum is Missing: Washington 10-Year-Old Still Not Found
Police Believe Lindsey Baum was Taken by Someone She Knew
<snipped>
McCleary Police and other authorities now believe that Lindsey Baum was taken or went off with someone she knew. A timeline has been developed and a witness saw the little girl walking about halfway to her destination at around 9:15. Surveillance footage taken from a gas station she would have passed later on the way home does not show her at all. That close to her home, officials believe that she went with someone she knew willingly, otherwise sounds and signs of a struggle would have alerted people in the densely housed area.Lindsey's mother, Melissa, has passed a polygraph test, as has Scott Williams, the father of the child where Lindsey Baum was visiting and one of the last people to see her.

Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8)
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Thank you Scandi.  So many questions about timeline that day....no concrete answers IMO.

I am still thinking that someone she knew offered her a ride home, and she accepted it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 02:39:12 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
hypothetically speaking of course....what if the 2nd witness didn't really see lindsey was helping to cover up what really happened and this is why this person has not come out publically. I wouldn't want people to know my name either, lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 02:39:32 PM

I wonder who else have had poly's. Did all of the last people who saw her have one? I think Kara said she did not, which made us all go, "what?"
What about the other people in the house that night? Isn't it usual for the last people to see the missing person all be given a poly? Seems like common sense to me. and what about now, since so much has been investigated, is there a rule that states a person can only be given one poly? What about if a person who has been given one, then learns of how a crime happened??? maybe another poly may be in order? Someone knows something....


BINGO!!

In Canada ... polygraphs can only be "requested".  It is the right of a person of interest or suspect to refuse.

At the very least ... LE should have IMMEDIATELY ... requested ALL those who had a direct connection to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 to take polygraphs.  The focus should have been in many directions ... not just the avenue that implied an abduction.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
if its true that lb's bathing suit is missing, i think its possible lb made it home that night after she left kk's, got her bathing suit, and went out again with someone.  i guess the only question i have would be, then why would mb call kk and ask her where lb was? i dont know the layout of their house but i would think mb or jb would see lindsey if she came back home before going back out again.
 
it makes no sense to me that she would put her bathing suit back on under her clothes after she showered. this makes no sense! i dont think kk's daughter has any reason to lie about lb taking a shower and then the 2 of them walking to kk's house.

sorry if this post made no sense  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sunshine, my thoughts too!  So then... I don't understand  how KK's daughter and Lindsey could have done all this after leaving video store (around 8:19pm) and fit into KK's timeline.  you know, walk to Lindsey's home, shower/change, leave house and walk with Josh, get in fight, leave bike at gas station, go to KK's, ask to spend the night, and leave at 9:15???  Maybe I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
Sunshine, I am not mad nor will I be mad. But I will offer, what if that was any of the kids Lindsey knew? What if it was one of the kids she fought with and made up with recently?

Kids can be mean, kwim? this group of kids she had a problem with were very, well what is the word...hmmm advanced. The words they called her are not words typical young girls use. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 02:43:23 PM
hypothetically speaking of course....what if the 2nd witness didn't really see lindsey was helping to cover up what really happened and this is why this person has not come out publically. I wouldn't want people to know my name either, lol.

i think this is possible, especially given the length of time it took for this second witness to come forward


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 02:45:23 PM
if its true that lb's bathing suit is missing, i think its possible lb made it home that night after she left kk's, got her bathing suit, and went out again with someone.  i guess the only question i have would be, then why would mb call kk and ask her where lb was? i dont know the layout of their house but i would think mb or jb would see lindsey if she came back home before going back out again.
 
it makes no sense to me that she would put her bathing suit back on under her clothes after she showered. this makes no sense! i dont think kk's daughter has any reason to lie about lb taking a shower and then the 2 of them walking to kk's house.

sorry if this post made no sense  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sunshine, my thoughts too!  So then... I don't understand  how KK's daughter and Lindsey could have done all this after leaving video store (around 8:19pm) and fit into KK's timeline.  you know, walk to Lindsey's home, shower/change, leave house and walk with Josh, get in fight, leave bike at gas station, go to KK's, ask to spend the night, and leave at 9:15???  Maybe I'm wrong.

From the pictures of the house, it is very small.  I think it would be very hard for a person to enter there and not be seen or heard. By the time she would have arrived home at say 9:30 or so, probably later, why would she grab a bathing suit thinking at that time of night there was time to go somewhere for a swim and be home in less than 30 minuts...nope...don't think so. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
I wonder what the plan was that night for the girls? What were they planning on doing? LB could have just taken the suit with her and been holding it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
Sunshine, I am not mad nor will I be mad. But I will offer, what if that was any of the kids Lindsey knew? What if it was one of the kids she fought with and made up with recently?

Kids can be mean, kwim? this group of kids she had a problem with were very, well what is the word...hmmm advanced. The words they called her are not words typical young girls use. 

i agree completely! i think it's possible that any of those kids could have been involved. kids are cruel, especially middle school girls... in fact, i wish i could forget my middle school years sometimes!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 02:49:06 PM
I did find this post I wrote at WS on Monday July 6th so I think you are right and the second witness was reported on the Tues after she went missing:

"I did venture out tonight in my Easter finery at SM and asked KaraK if this person lived on Maple or on the other side of 3rd St. She answered that there were 2 sightings of Lindsay on Maple and that the first of those sightings was the same person that sent Josh home earlier Being as she is one of the last ones to see Lindsay alive I think I can take that as a confirmation".

I aqlso found this article dated July 6th which mentions the second witness: 

" Lindsey Baum is Missing: Washington 10-Year-Old Still Not Found
Police Believe Lindsey Baum was Taken by Someone She Knew
<snipped>
McCleary Police and other authorities now believe that Lindsey Baum was taken or went off with someone she knew. A timeline has been developed and a witness saw the little girl walking about halfway to her destination at around 9:15. Surveillance footage taken from a gas station she would have passed later on the way home does not show her at all. That close to her home, officials believe that she went with someone she knew willingly, otherwise sounds and signs of a struggle would have alerted people in the densely housed area.

Lindsey's mother, Melissa, has passed a polygraph test, as has Scott Williams, the father of the child where Lindsey Baum was visiting and one of the last people to see her.

Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8)
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No problem,  I just found this which nails it.  The only problem is that the link is dead  ::MonkeyConfused:::

http://**/article...d881132403.txt (http://**/article...d881132403.txt)

'Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street".
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Thank you Scandi.  So many questions about timeline that day....no concrete answers IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 02:49:21 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there



No nanners from me!!  This scenerio could make sense as to how a kid could effectively hide Lindsey....in other words, they didn't.  If she got hurt in the woods, just left her there...didn't need to hide.   Also, it could be another kid, not just JB.  Furthermore, it could explain why some adults have appeared to misdirect, cover-up, etc. in order to protect another child.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 02:49:24 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 02:49:52 PM
Considering Sister never sent me a liver dinner as promised ... a Scottish friend and myself are going the the British Teahouse today for lunch.  However ... I am going to request the dinner menu which implies a larger portion of that liver.  I hope I do not break any of the fine china.  I can be sooo clumsy.

Later Monkeys.

Janet
11:50 AM PT



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:50:01 PM
hypothetically speaking of course....what if the 2nd witness didn't really see lindsey was helping to cover up what really happened and this is why this person has not come out publically. I wouldn't want people to know my name either, lol.

i think this is possible, especially given the length of time it took for this second witness to come forward

Or it could have been a person who works out of town and stays out of town for a day or two. May not have known about anything until he/she returned home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
Sorry about the quote screw up on the previous post   ::MonkeyShocked::  It just posted before I saw that!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
AZSunny, I'm so sorry  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks, it was very, very difficult.  I think I spent the first 3 months in bed sobbing. (actually still do sometimes! LOL)

 I just am amazed at this reaction from MB, particulary at this time with her daughter still missing.  Perhaps Tracygirl is right, we all react very differently to a loss. Perhaps she wants someone to share this with and help her through all this....who knows?? 
I agree everyone reacts differently to a loss, but it just doesn't sit right with me, it almost reminds me like for a dating service, I don't know maybe I should just shut up about it  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
I wonder what the plan was that night for the girls? What were they planning on doing? LB could have just taken the suit with her and been holding it.

That seems more likely to me Tracygirl.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 02:56:27 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there
Oh believe me something like that has entered my mind on more than one occasion  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 02:58:57 PM
I wonder what the plan was that night for the girls? What were they planning on doing? LB could have just taken the suit with her and been holding it.

That seems more likely to me Tracygirl.

yea i dont know why though.

the timeline for this case is just so tight, i cant find it believable


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 02:59:35 PM
AZSunny, I'm so sorry  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks, it was very, very difficult.  I think I spent the first 3 months in bed sobbing. (actually still do sometimes! LOL)

 I just am amazed at this reaction from MB, particulary at this time with her daughter still missing.  Perhaps Tracygirl is right, we all react very differently to a loss. Perhaps she wants someone to share this with and help her through all this....who knows?? 
I agree everyone reacts differently to a loss, but it just doesn't sit right with me, it almost reminds me like for a dating service, I don't know maybe I should just shut up about it  ::MonkeyConfused::
AZ my first nightmare in life would be to lose one of my children, my 2nd would be to lose my husband....(((((hugs)))))) to you, my prayers are with you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 02:59:47 PM
Considering Sister never sent me a liver dinner as promised ... a Scottish friend and myself are going the the British Teahouse today for lunch.  However ... I am going to request the dinner menu which implies a larger portion of that liver.  I hope I do not break any of the fine china.  I can be sooo clumsy.

Later Monkeys.

Janet
11:50 AM PT


:smt078 :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker: :smt078
now Janet, I said I would send you all of my liver, me not buy any, ever!
have a nice, gulp!, lunch!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there
Oh believe me something like that has entered my mind on more than one occasion  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I really do not think JB is involved in her disappearance.  I don't think he can maintain his attention span long enough to cause harm, and hide all evidence and body in less than 30 minutes.  It was said he was home after being sent home.  I will accept that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
AZ, prayers this night for your lose.

snipped:
"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained,"  said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

I wonder what that timeline was/is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 03:05:15 PM
azsunny- you are prob right about jb not being involved


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 03:05:24 PM
I wonder what the plan was that night for the girls? What were they planning on doing? LB could have just taken the suit with her and been holding it.

That seems more likely to me Tracygirl.

yea i dont know why though.

the timeline for this case is just so tight, i cant find it believable

I sort of figure its a pretty small place. If I was to do all of those things it would take a while because of distance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 03:07:21 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there
Oh believe me something like that has entered my mind on more than one occasion  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I really do not think JB is involved in her disappearance.  I don't think he can maintain his attention span long enough to cause harm, and hide all evidence and body in less than 30 minutes.  It was said he was home after being sent home.  I will accept that. 


I know I have  posted this several times before (sorry) but there are many reasons why it would be helpful to have a timeline from MB HERSELF, not just Kara's.  I wouldn't expect her to come on a board for questions, but a spokesperson could do this, no?

i.e., What was MB doing at home when both Lindsey and JB were supposedly off to Kara's?  Was she watching TV, taking a nap, talking on the phone, talking to a neighbor, was she home the entire time , etc?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 03:08:37 PM
the only thing about the timeline that i think we know to be accurate is when they were at the video store at 8:19 pm b/c that was caught on camera and maybe the first eyewitness report around 9:30.  that is about 50 minutes between the 2 and during that time she allegedly went home and showered, walked to kk's, and then was seen walking home again by 8 30, again, it's possible but i remember someone saying that it's not a short walk from lb's home to kk's


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 03:11:07 PM
I wonder what the plan was that night for the girls? What were they planning on doing? LB could have just taken the suit with her and been holding it.

That seems more likely to me Tracygirl.

yea i dont know why though.

the timeline for this case is just so tight, i cant find it believable

I sort of figure its a pretty small place. If I was to do all of those things it would take a while because of distance.


Well, we have MM posting on here admitting that she told Lindsey's mother that she needed to quit changing her story/times.  That's a pretty big a la Nancy Grace bombshell to me!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 03:12:26 PM
I can never find past postings...what is the time line again, can someone repost it? Do we have the times?
from what I can recall,
 she was at the video store at 8:20, then went home..do we have the address of the store? We can do a google map and find out the distance. lets say 10 minutes?

Then she went home took a shower, dressed and left. 15 min?

10 minute walk to Kara's, fight probably took 2 min max

Stayed at Kara's for 5 minutes, left at 9:15....
This is 55 minutes after she left the video store...that seems reasonable to me, did I miss a step?






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 03:15:11 PM
AZ, prayers this night for your lose.

snipped:
"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained,"  said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

I wonder what that timeline was/is?

seems to be the million dollar question!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 03:18:16 PM
I wonder what the plan was that night for the girls? What were they planning on doing? LB could have just taken the suit with her and been holding it.

That seems more likely to me Tracygirl.

yea i dont know why though.

the timeline for this case is just so tight, i cant find it believable

I sort of figure its a pretty small place. If I was to do all of those things it would take a while because of distance.


Well, we have MM posting on here admitting that she told Lindsey's mother that she needed to quit changing her story/times.  That's a pretty big a la Nancy Grace bombshell to me!

I recall Tori's mom saying that was the most difficult part for her because she didn't know what time she did what. After realizing your child is missing I would think everything just goes into a blur. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 03:19:04 PM
I can never find past postings...what is the time line again, can someone repost it? Do we have the times?
from what I can recall,
 she was at the video store at 8:20, then went home..do we have the address of the store? We can do a google map and find out the distance. lets say 10 minutes?

Then she went home took a shower, dressed and left. 15 min?

10 minute walk to Kara's, fight probably took 2 min max

Stayed at Kara's for 5 minutes, left at 9:15....
This is 55 minutes after she left the video store...that seems reasonable to me, did I miss a step?






Kara also posted she thought her daughter and Lindsey chatted some outside Lindsey's house after they got there from the video store.  As far as how long it takes to walk, I don't know, can somebody help?  Also, Lindsey was "walking" the bike from her house to the gas station, where the argument ensued, and so on.... I don't think she could have been walking at a pretty good clip hauling a bike in tow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 03:28:32 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?


Tracygirl, you could have a point about the fog that overcomes someone in a horrific situation such as MB was that night, but; when you couple it with Karma's post above AND MM telling MB to quit changing stores....I just don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 03:37:44 PM
Kara made an obvious error, that stricks me as well. Her stories changed from one thing to another. It can't be both! Is one version even correct? Now I don't trust that either. If that doesn't send LE to question, I don't know what will.

I can't say about MB, I didn't see the times changing or the story changing for myself. I don't know if it was just a few minutes here or there or if was such a difference as we see with KK.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 03:48:37 PM
Kara made an obvious error, that stricks me as well. Her stories changed from one thing to another. It can't be both! Is one version even correct? Now I don't trust that either. If that doesn't send LE to question, I don't know what will.

I can't say about MB, I didn't see the times changing or the story changing for myself. I don't know if it was just a few minutes here or there or if was such a difference as we see with KK.



No we can't see if MB's story/timeline has changed because IIRC, it has never been publicized from her directly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
Madre I am not sure if that really means anything or not. I have read about cases that the parents make no statements or really give any information.

Remember Sandra Cantu? We all kept asking where her mom was, was she there? Was she at work? Why did Sandra's grandpa pick her up from school? Why didn't she watch Sandra...

With Tori's mom the talk was, she walked out of a lie detector, she can't say where she was, I think at first she didn't really offer any information, she said it had nothing to do with finding her daughter.

I think I am more concerned with what is infront of me already, we have a person tellign 2 different stories about what happened that night and this person is now directly involved in with the search, the mom and whatever else. I have to say, it makes my hinky meter rise. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
yes, i am also concerned with karak's different stories... also the fact that MM wanted karak away from MB...

melissa-i understand if you cant elaborate on that, but if you are reading here and could explain any suspicions or other information you have about karak that would be greatly appreciated. if not i totally understand.

also, when my cell phone is charging, it still rings, but then again, thats just me.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
Madre I am not sure if that really means anything or not. I have read about cases that the parents make no statements or really give any information.

Remember Sandra Cantu? We all kept asking where her mom was, was she there? Was she at work? Why did Sandra's grandpa pick her up from school? Why didn't she watch Sandra...

With Tori's mom the talk was, she walked out of a lie detector, she can't say where she was, I think at first she didn't really offer any information, she said it had nothing to do with finding her daughter.

I think I am more concerned with what is infront of me already, we have a person tellign 2 different stories about what happened that night and this person is now directly involved in with the search, the mom and whatever else. I have to say, it makes my hinky meter rise. 

Agree with the hinky meter re KK.  Also, with others as well.  My point was not to necessarily discredit the fact that MB has not had press conferences (like Tori's mom did) or had a spokesperson (as Sandra's mother did, I think), but; that to try to get to the truth, the timelines, stories, behavior need to be analyzed, compared, etc.  In order to do that I believe it would be helpful to know:

MB, 2 eyewitness, and those that were with/saw Lindsey that day and their recollections.  We already have KK and MM's timelines via posts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 04:20:48 PM
yes, i am also concerned with karak's different stories... also the fact that MM wanted karak away from MB...

melissa-i understand if you cant elaborate on that, but if you are reading here and could explain any suspicions or other information you have about karak that would be greatly appreciated. if not i totally understand.

also, when my cell phone is charging, it still rings, but then again, thats just me.




My bold....  Another one of those hinky meters.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there
Oh believe me something like that has entered my mind on more than one occasion  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I really do not think JB is involved in her disappearance.  I don't think he can maintain his attention span long enough to cause harm, and hide all evidence and body in less than 30 minutes.  It was said he was home after being sent home.  I will accept that. 
You are probably correct, I just have had different thoughts go through my head, I have a hard time thinking that if he did, there is no way that he wouldn't have said something by now, imo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
yes, i am also concerned with karak's different stories... also the fact that MM wanted karak away from MB...

melissa-i understand if you cant elaborate on that, but if you are reading here and could explain any suspicions or other information you have about karak that would be greatly appreciated. if not i totally understand.

also, when my cell phone is charging, it still rings, but then again, thats just me.



I am concerned as well, and frankly all that phone talk seemed over the top, crappy phone, phone needed charging, etc..... Something about all that phone talk bothered me.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 04:36:28 PM
yes, i am also concerned with karak's different stories... also the fact that MM wanted karak away from MB...

melissa-i understand if you cant elaborate on that, but if you are reading here and could explain any suspicions or other information you have about karak that would be greatly appreciated. if not i totally understand.

also, when my cell phone is charging, it still rings, but then again, thats just me.



Would love to know why  ::MonkeyEek::

My bold....  Another one of those hinky meters.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on September 29, 2009, 04:48:01 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?


Tracygirl, you could have a point about the fog that overcomes someone in a horrific situation such as MB was that night, but; when you couple it with Karma's post above AND MM telling MB to quit changing stores....I just don't know.

Hi, Monkeys!  I am a frequent lurker, infrequent poster.

I am wondering why these statements by KK are considered to be conflicting?  First of all, perhaps she was cutting MB some slack by saying she could have called earlier.  If my phone has no charge, it turns off and so it stays off while I charge it.  It wouldn't ring if a call came in.  So KK turns her phone on and MB calls around 10:25.  KK then gets her daughter and while she is asking her for details she is walking outside and looking to see if she sees LB.  KK states that MB is heading towards her house while talking with her and probably calling other numbers, and possibly the police.  MB and KK are calling each other back and forth about the details, KK possibly filling in MB on things her daughter said, where LB could have gone, while walking towards each other.  That could take 30 minutes if you have not panicked yet.  So then, either they meet or see each other and still no Lindsey.  Since KK just was going out to check around her house, expecting to see Lindsey, maybe she didn't have shoes on at that point.  I know I run outside in my bare feet all the time.  Which brings us to KK's second answer.  When neither KK or MB see Lindsey on the path she should have taken home, KK goes inside, drops off her phone and gets her old man.  They then drive to MB who is waiting for the police. 

Am I missing the conflicting statements or is this a plausible scenario?  (And of course, the above is completely hypothetical.)   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
karak needs to take a polygraph, there is NO excuse that she shouldnt take one.  if they can get a search warrant to search someones home just b/c they might have answered a question wrong (allegedly), why cant they get a warrant to force karak to take a polygraph if she refuses?

i think everything should be polygraphed again anyway, especially since some time has passed, maybe now all the "inside players" in the case could get caught lying, especially if they are covering for someone


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 29, 2009, 04:53:58 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 29, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



maybe I misread..maybe her phone needed to be charged again?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 04:58:34 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...


I'm stuck on all the phone talk, just like I'm stuck on all the blanket talk with Misty Cummings, just way over the top, can't explain it, just seems very strange  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 29, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
Just popped in for a moment and thought I'd comment real quickly on the issue of polygraphing someone a second time. Repeated polygraphs after an initial polygraph comes back negative for deception are virtually useless. If a person passes the first one, then fails a second one, whose to determine which one is the accurate one?  You can see where I'm going with that, I'm sure. Polygraphs aren't fool-proof. There's a bit of "voo-doo" science in all of them, and they are typically used as tools. They certainly aren't admissible as evidence in court. So there's really nothing to be gained by issuing a second poly after someone passes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



maybe I misread..maybe her phone needed to be charged again?

KK stated that her phone had only one bar showing when she was talking to MB, and she took it back in to set on the recharger.  IIRC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on September 29, 2009, 05:01:01 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



Thank you for the reply.  This is what I thought she meant:  Her phone is dead.  She puts it in the charger.  It is charging and for whatever reason (she needs to check a contact, whatever) she turns it on while it is charging.  MB's call comes through.  Her phone has charged enough to have one bar and she takes it while walking outside.  She is speaking with MB on and off for the half hour and her phone is going dead again.  So when she goes back inside to get her old man, she puts her phone back in the charger.  It is useless because it has no charge, that is why she wouldn't take it with her in the car.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 05:03:16 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
Which has me questioning why not give your real name.
When you go on those searches you have to show ID.Kona knew this.Besides,JenniferO would surely recognize her more from her screen name than by her real name right?
If you didn't want to give your real name for whatever reasons,maybe just not sign up to search?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 29, 2009, 05:05:33 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



Thank you for the reply.  This is what I thought she meant:  Her phone is dead.  She puts it in the charger.  It is charging and for whatever reason (she needs to check a contact, whatever) she turns it on while it is charging.  MB's call comes through.  Her phone has charged enough to have one bar and she takes it while walking outside.  She is speaking with MB on and off for the half hour and her phone is going dead again.  So when she goes back inside to get her old man, she puts her phone back in the charger.  It is useless because it has no charge, that is why she wouldn't take it with her in the car.

ok...gotcha! thanks for the explanation....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 05:09:30 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 29, 2009, 05:13:33 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 05:14:21 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



Thank you for the reply.  This is what I thought she meant:  Her phone is dead.  She puts it in the charger.  It is charging and for whatever reason (she needs to check a contact, whatever) she turns it on while it is charging.  MB's call comes through.  Her phone has charged enough to have one bar and she takes it while walking outside.  She is speaking with MB on and off for the half hour and her phone is going dead again.  So when she goes back inside to get her old man, she puts her phone back in the charger.  It is useless because it has no charge, that is why she wouldn't take it with her in the car.

Good summary of time line as we know it, DayOldDonuts


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 05:15:03 PM
welcome, dayolddonuts!

i enjoyed reading your post. i guess it kind of put it in a different perspective. i think she still needs a poly tho!

karma- i agree, if i was in charge of getting the names of searchers and someone told me their screenname instead of their real name, a red flag would go up. i am not justifying the fact that her property was searched, but if that was me, you bet the first thing i would do when i got home is go read all of their online posts by that name,  i think a lot of us would. but that's just me.  i guess i am nosey  ::MonkeyRoll:: again, not justifying her family being targeted as i believe all she was doing was trying to help.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Can someone please tell me who JenniferO is talking about here?
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 05:18:01 PM
KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Can someone please tell me who JenniferO is talking about here?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

They are talking about KaraK's old boyfriend.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 05:20:29 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

i also wanted to add that she could be a very nice person. she might see the investigation in a different light than some of us do because she has gotten to know mb and kk. i do not know her and have never interacted with her. and again, sometimes poeple come off differnetly than they intend to online, especially to those of us that are sensitive (like myself)... i will say again that i do agree with her concern when kona gave only her screenname when asked.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 29, 2009, 05:28:39 PM
Someone asked a couple of pages back who Tag and Libby are..

I remember their being discussed earlier on in this case.  And with the confusing info at times, it's hard to remember for sure, who is who. 

Yet I'm thinking that *maybe* Tag and Libby are the ones with the swimming pool, where Lindsey swam with friends earlier in the day??  Was it was their daughter that Lindsey had had a falling out with earlier, then got that straightened out enough to be friends again by that afternoon?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please! 

And if all that's true, then is it Tag and Libby's house that Lindsey stopped by, (after going to KK's and before going home), to ask if she could spend the night?  IIRC, the parents said no.  And Lindsey supposedly continued on her way home. 





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 05:31:19 PM
I think this is an odd time for MB to be looking for a mate!!   This is also from her Myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/247474600

BlurbsAbout me:
I am a single Mom of 2 beautiful kids a boy and girl. As you may have figured out; My daughter was kidnapped on June 26, 2009. Needless to say, my number 1 priority is finding her and taking care of my son. I would like to thank everyone involved with the search effort for all their hard work and dedication! I truly appreciate it. Everyone, including my doctor are telling me I need some Me time. Easier said then done!! But I could always use some new friends, maybe even an occasional distraction. I am a loyal, honest and faithful woman! I enjoy people and helping those in need. Always up for trying new things. If you have any other questions, just ask me.

Who I'd like to meet:
Hmm?? Where to begin? I've met a lot of great people in my life; especially recently, both famous and not famous. All in all I enjoy meeting good people with good hearts and morals. I would like to meet a man who is kind, loving, loyal and strong. He has to love kids, whether he has his own our not. Family always comes first no matter what! It's hard to meet a good man as a single parent, it's hard to know who you can trust when it comes to your

Thanks AZSunny
I read that a few weeks ago then couldn't find it again.I thought it was very.......odd.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
Someone asked a couple of pages back who Tag and Libby are..

I remember their being discussed earlier on in this case.  And with the confusing info at times, it's hard to remember for sure, who is who. 

Yet I'm thinking that *maybe* Tag and Libby are the ones with the swimming pool, where Lindsey swam with friends earlier in the day??  Was it was their daughter that Lindsey had had a falling out with earlier, then got that straightened out enough to be friends again by that afternoon?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please! 

And if all that's true, then is it Tag and Libby's house that Lindsey stopped by, (after going to KK's and before going home), to ask if she could spend the night?  IIRC, the parents said no.  And Lindsey supposedly continued on her way home. 





yup, exactly right. they live at the home she was swimming at. i believe it was their neice that made lb so upset that she didnt even want to go to school


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 29, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

I agree Sunshine! Especially the snarkiness toward our forum.  And the folks over yonder who would then line up and agree.. or not. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 29, 2009, 05:38:59 PM
My husky grandpup just got into town, we are off to the dog park.  BBL

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 05:42:49 PM
I did find this post I wrote at WS on Monday July 6th so I think you are right and the second witness was reported on the Tues after she went missing:

"I did venture out tonight in my Easter finery at SM and asked KaraK if this person lived on Maple or on the other side of 3rd St. She answered that there were 2 sightings of Lindsay on Maple and that the first of those sightings was the same person that sent Josh home earlier Being as she is one of the last ones to see Lindsay alive I think I can take that as a confirmation".

I aqlso found this article dated July 6th which mentions the second witness: 

" Lindsey Baum is Missing: Washington 10-Year-Old Still Not Found
Police Believe Lindsey Baum was Taken by Someone She Knew
<snipped>
McCleary Police and other authorities now believe that Lindsey Baum was taken or went off with someone she knew. A timeline has been developed and a witness saw the little girl walking about halfway to her destination at around 9:15. Surveillance footage taken from a gas station she would have passed later on the way home does not show her at all. That close to her home, officials believe that she went with someone she knew willingly, otherwise sounds and signs of a struggle would have alerted people in the densely housed area.Lindsey's mother, Melissa, has passed a polygraph test, as has Scott Williams, the father of the child where Lindsey Baum was visiting and one of the last people to see her.

Article:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8 (http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ton.html?cat=8)
__________________



Thank you Scandi.  So many questions about timeline that day....no concrete answers IMO.

I am still thinking that someone she knew offered her a ride home, and she accepted it. 
She could have went willingly also she could have been tasered.That would be quick and no noise.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
okay, i know this is a very unpopular opinion on this thread but i'm just gonna say it b/c it just crossed through my mind...

what if lb did go home for a min and got a bathing suit or something, and then went out into the woods w/a friend to just hang out and do whatever it is kids do these days...

what if jb followed them out there and a fight ensued and lb got hurt?  maybe mb was sleeping at the time lb came home, and only woke up to find her missing when she heard jb come back in the house?

i don't want to ruffle any feathers b/c i know there are strong opinions on whether its possible jb was involved or not, but at this point, i think anything is possible so i just wanted to put it out there
I don't know,everyone has said Lindsey was afraid of the dark and didn't like being out in the dark alone.
IMO I'm trying to keep it simple.
Plus 9:30 at night on the streets of McCleary may not be that dark but for sure the surrounding woods are very dark.....and scary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
not sure what all is going on with the case but, would someone leave their just charged up phone at home when they left? if that is what kara did from the above post by DayOldDonuts....when she got "her old man" and took off for MB's?  I always take my phone with me in the car...but everyone is different...



Thank you for the reply.  This is what I thought she meant:  Her phone is dead.  She puts it in the charger.  It is charging and for whatever reason (she needs to check a contact, whatever) she turns it on while it is charging.  MB's call comes through.  Her phone has charged enough to have one bar and she takes it while walking outside.  She is speaking with MB on and off for the half hour and her phone is going dead again.  So when she goes back inside to get her old man, she puts her phone back in the charger.  It is useless because it has no charge, that is why she wouldn't take it with her in the car.

ok...gotcha! thanks for the explanation....
Thanks, because I was going crazy with the phone talk, I don't have a cell phone just two good old reliable house phones  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 05:51:36 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
Which has me questioning why not give your real name.
When you go on those searches you have to show ID.Kona knew this.Besides,JenniferO would surely recognize her more from her screen name than by her real name right?
If you didn't want to give your real name for whatever reasons,maybe just not sign up to search?

According to DD, she did not go to search, she is not physically able to go on searches.  I think she dropped off food.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 05:54:58 PM
Does anyone know, was JennO a poster on WS prior to this case? I think I had read somewhere she was not. She started posting there to give information on the local pov.

What is funny to me, if there are locals at the search, Kona was known by the locals and equally hated, why did they not know her name?

When I signed up for searches with Sandra I gave my real name and not my screen name. No one knows I am tracygirl and vice versa. I believe in that seperation. Maybe Kona just got that backwards? 

What was the relationship between Kona and Jenn on the boards? Did they get along or argue?

MM wanted MB away from Karak? hmmm, interesting. Any idea of why? I wonder what she feels about Jenn? I think DD posted they were all fighting or something, a lot of back and forth stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 05:59:25 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
Which has me questioning why not give your real name.
When you go on those searches you have to show ID.Kona knew this.Besides,JenniferO would surely recognize her more from her screen name than by her real name right?
If you didn't want to give your real name for whatever reasons,maybe just not sign up to search?

According to DD, she did not go to search, she is not physically able to go on searches.  I think she dropped off food.


again, she did NOT GO THERE TO SEARCH. 
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 06:00:47 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
Which has me questioning why not give your real name.
When you go on those searches you have to show ID.Kona knew this.Besides,JenniferO would surely recognize her more from her screen name than by her real name right?
If you didn't want to give your real name for whatever reasons,maybe just not sign up to search?

According to DD, she did not go to search, she is not physically able to go on searches.  I think she dropped off food.

you know you are right! Yesterday I read a posting from her and she said she couldn't search because of her physical condition, (not a direct quote)
Dropping off food? Well she doesn't have to give her name for that if she doesn't want to. In fact you don't have to give your name to anyone that isn't a LE if you don't care to. If you take into account a wonderful dispostion I can only imagine how she was asked.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Funny you say that Karma as this post was actually brought over from WS.

Also, doubledecker may have removed some posts from her site....her site is strictly for her research. so sometimes i think she will remove stuff if she feels it has no importance (such as posters bickering back and forth).  MO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:05:16 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?



Tracygirl, you could have a point about the fog that overcomes someone in a horrific situation such as MB was that night, but; when you couple it with Karma's post above AND MM telling MB to quit changing stores....I just don't know.

Hi, Monkeys!  I am a frequent lurker, infrequent poster.

I am wondering why these statements by KK are considered to be conflicting?  First of all, perhaps she was cutting MB some slack by saying she could have called earlier.  If my phone has no charge, it turns off and so it stays off while I charge it.  It wouldn't ring if a call came in.  So KK turns her phone on and MB calls around 10:25.  KK then gets her daughter and while she is asking her for details she is walking outside and looking to see if she sees LB.  KK states that MB is heading towards her house while talking with her and probably calling other numbers, and possibly the police.  MB and KK are calling each other back and forth about the details, KK possibly filling in MB on things her daughter said, where LB could have gone, while walking towards each other.  That could take 30 minutes if you have not panicked yet.  So then, either they meet or see each other and still no Lindsey.  Since KK just was going out to check around her house, expecting to see Lindsey, maybe she didn't have shoes on at that point.  I know I run outside in my bare feet all the time.  Which brings us to KK's second answer.  When neither KK or MB see Lindsey on the path she should have taken home, KK goes inside, drops off her phone and gets her old man.  They then drive to MB who is waiting for the police. 

Am I missing the conflicting statements or is this a plausible scenario?  (And of course, the above is completely hypothetical.)   
Hi Donuts
I should have bolded the differences like I just did above.
KaraK's boyfriend drove over to Lindsey's house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 06:08:04 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

I agree Sunshine! Especially the snarkiness toward our forum.  And the folks over yonder who would then line up and agree.. or not. 



Funny isn't it...that we 3 got the same impression.  Then, to see her "outed" by DD........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:13:53 PM
welcome, dayolddonuts!

i enjoyed reading your post. i guess it kind of put it in a different perspective. i think she still needs a poly tho!

karma- i agree, if i was in charge of getting the names of searchers and someone told me their screenname instead of their real name, a red flag would go up. i am not justifying the fact that her property was searched, but if that was me, you bet the first thing i would do when i got home is go read all of their online posts by that name,  i think a lot of us would. but that's just me.  i guess i am nosey  ::MonkeyRoll:: again, not justifying her family being targeted as i believe all she was doing was trying to help.
I agree.Kona was also posting at WS and IS and she knew already that JenniferO had a bug up her butt about her.......so why go to the search and give your screen name knowing that JenniferO would recognize her by that name?
Why not just show up,show your ID and go search or work in the search center?
Maybe DD can tell us the answers to these questions if she knows?
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:15:46 PM
KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Can someone please tell me who JenniferO is talking about here?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

They are talking about KaraK's old boyfriend.
And his name starts with a J or do we know his name?Thanks AZSunny.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 06:19:02 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

I agree Sunshine! Especially the snarkiness toward our forum.  And the folks over yonder who would then line up and agree.. or not. 



Funny isn't it...that we 3 got the same impression.  Then, to see her "outed" by DD........
It's crazy, and for Heaven's sake if Kona is not able to search, why would anyone expect her to put her name down for just dropping off food? I would have gotten mad and upset if someone was harrassing me to put my name down, and might have left with the food.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 06:22:19 PM
KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Can someone please tell me who JenniferO is talking about here?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

They are talking about KaraK's old boyfriend.
And his name starts with a J or do we know his name?Thanks AZSunny.

The initial "j" was referring to JenniferO.  I'm not sure of the guys name though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
DD, if you can, would you please come on and put this to rest about Kona and the search that day?  I read that she went to donate food, not search as she was not physically able.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Hi Karma,  It has to be WS, and likewise over there, SM is referred to as 'over yonder' as well.  It is too bad IMO but beyond our control and simply want us all to work together.

Now I also want to say that the talk of Jenn is also too bad.  It has to be something personal.  At WS we have one rule that we don't attack the poster, just the post.  I don't know if she belongs here but I post with her every day o'er yonder and must say I wish I had half the energy she has and could match the devotion and strength she has in doing her best to help find Lindsey.  I have never seen a negative side to her and am just putting this out there like I would for anyone else I admire.  Come what may, it should be all about Lindsey and not about ragging on a poster who has her best interest at heart.  The same could be said about Kona, although I have never posted with her that I know of. 

xox  See y'all tonight!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:26:15 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
Which has me questioning why not give your real name.
When you go on those searches you have to show ID.Kona knew this.Besides,JenniferO would surely recognize her more from her screen name than by her real name right?
If you didn't want to give your real name for whatever reasons,maybe just not sign up to search?

According to DD, she did not go to search, she is not physically able to go on searches.  I think she dropped off food.
Hmmmm,when did DD say that?And if true why would JenniferO want her full name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

I am bumping this because I want to see if anyone else has any thoughts on how Kona's son could have done this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 06:27:23 PM
DD, if you can, would you please come on and put this to rest about Kona and the search that day?  I read that she went to donate food, not search as she was not physically able.  Thanks!

It is in the first post at this link

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html

Kona went to donate food.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on September 29, 2009, 06:27:32 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?



Tracygirl, you could have a point about the fog that overcomes someone in a horrific situation such as MB was that night, but; when you couple it with Karma's post above AND MM telling MB to quit changing stores....I just don't know.

Hi, Monkeys!  I am a frequent lurker, infrequent poster.

I am wondering why these statements by KK are considered to be conflicting?  First of all, perhaps she was cutting MB some slack by saying she could have called earlier.  If my phone has no charge, it turns off and so it stays off while I charge it.  It wouldn't ring if a call came in.  So KK turns her phone on and MB calls around 10:25.  KK then gets her daughter and while she is asking her for details she is walking outside and looking to see if she sees LB.  KK states that MB is heading towards her house while talking with her and probably calling other numbers, and possibly the police.  MB and KK are calling each other back and forth about the details, KK possibly filling in MB on things her daughter said, where LB could have gone, while walking towards each other.  That could take 30 minutes if you have not panicked yet.  So then, either they meet or see each other and still no Lindsey.  Since KK just was going out to check around her house, expecting to see Lindsey, maybe she didn't have shoes on at that point.  I know I run outside in my bare feet all the time.  Which brings us to KK's second answer.  When neither KK or MB see Lindsey on the path she should have taken home, KK goes inside, drops off her phone and gets her old man.  They then drive to MB who is waiting for the police. 

Am I missing the conflicting statements or is this a plausible scenario?  (And of course, the above is completely hypothetical.)   
Hi Donuts
I should have bolded the differences like I just did above.
KaraK's boyfriend drove over to Lindsey's house.

Thank you for the clarification, Karma.

If you put the two bolded sections together, it reads like her timeline.  From the call at 10:25 she searched for half an hour which brings her to going back into her house, getting her boyfriend at 10:55 and driving to MB's house where the police arrived around 11.  So I still don't see a discrepancy...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 06:29:14 PM
tamiko's mom-

i agree with your viewpoint regarding the search.  i honestly think that when kona wouldn't give her real name to the person in charge of registering people for the searches it may have put up a red flag for that person.  i can kind of understand why because many times perps will insert themselves in investigations (I am NOT saying i think kona or her family has anything to do with this, im simply saying why it might raise a red flag)...

im sure the person who was trying to get kona to give her real name spoke with people about how she thought it was weird that this person didnt give her name, and i wouldn't be suprised if that's what started this. surely locals knew who this person was and then im sure they all started digging deeper into the family...

maybe thats how this whole thing w/kona started?
Which has me questioning why not give your real name.
When you go on those searches you have to show ID.Kona knew this.Besides,JenniferO would surely recognize her more from her screen name than by her real name right?
If you didn't want to give your real name for whatever reasons,maybe just not sign up to search?

According to DD, she did not go to search, she is not physically able to go on searches.  I think she dropped off food.


again, she did NOT GO THERE TO SEARCH. 
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html


BUMP


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 06:32:05 PM
Here are some snips from doubledeckers (Skye) post at her forum regarding Kona:

She went to the meeting and she donated food for the search.

She was not searching anyway as she is not physically capble of going out on searches..


http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html

(doubledecker - hope you dont mind that I did this...just trying to clear up some questions)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:34:31 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

I agree Sunshine! Especially the snarkiness toward our forum.  And the folks over yonder who would then line up and agree.. or not. 



Funny isn't it...that we 3 got the same impression.  Then, to see her "outed" by DD........
It's crazy, and for Heaven's sake if Kona is not able to search, why would anyone expect her to put her name down for just dropping off food? I would have gotten mad and upset if someone was harrassing me to put my name down, and might have left with the food.
OK,I can kinda see why the people at the search center would want to see some ID,even if you are just dropping off food.What IF it was someone who wanted to sabotage the whole search by putting poison or something in the food?
Maybe I watch too many CSI's and L&O's and other crime shows plus I am kinda paranoid. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:35:06 PM
KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Can someone please tell me who JenniferO is talking about here?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

They are talking about KaraK's old boyfriend.
And his name starts with a J or do we know his name?Thanks AZSunny.

The initial "j" was referring to JenniferO.  I'm not sure of the guys name though.
Thanks Leroy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Hi Karma,  It has to be WS, and likewise over there, SM is referred to as 'over yonder' as well.  It is too bad IMO but beyond our control and simply want us all to work together.

Now I also want to say that the talk of Jenn is also too bad.  It has to be something personal.  At WS we have one rule that we don't attack the poster, just the post.  I don't know if she belongs here but I post with her every day o'er yonder and must say I wish I had half the energy she has and could match the devotion and strength she has in doing her best to help find Lindsey.  I have never seen a negative side to her and am just putting this out there like I would for anyone else I admire.  Come what may, it should be all about Lindsey and not about ragging on a poster who has her best interest at heart.  The same could be said about Kona, although I have never posted with her that I know of. 

xox  See y'all tonight!
Hi Scandi
No,JenniferO is not a member here I don't think....judging from the way she and a few others rag on us lol

I don't know JenniferO but from reading her posts at WS and IS she comes off as bossy and a know it all BUT I understand you admiring her.She does seem to add a lot of good things in the way of trying to find Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
You cannot force someone to take a poly.  It is against the law.  One reason, it is not admissable in court.  A poly is used to give LE some direction as which way to go. 
Now to the women surrounding Melissa Baum -- Melissa McCann was one of the reasons that Melissa Baum moved to Washington.  She and Melissa Baum have been friends for a very long time.  Since Melissa Baum moved back to Washington, Melissa McCann has had a new addition, beautiful baby! and a new boyfriend.  When such events happen, girlfriends often don't talk to each other as much or see each other as much.  They were/are still good friends.  The night Lindsey went missing, Melissa Baum called Melissa McCann, and the next day Melissa McCann went to Lindsey's house and spent a considerable amount of time there in the following days.
KaraK was not close friends with Melissa Baum, having only been living in McCleary for a short period of time (I think since January).  However, their daughters were very good friends and spent a lot of time together.  Until Lindsey went missing, KaraK and Melissa Baum did not spend a lot of time together, they were simply the mothers of their daughters who were best friends.
Jennifer O does not live in McCleary and she has a family.  When the Laura Recovery Center was coming to town, she volunteered and took instruction on how to organize searches, etc.  Consequently, she became very involved with the Baum family, with KaraK, and Melissa  McCann.
So there you have 3 different women trying to help Melissa Baum.  I can only imagine the different personalities of each trying to give advice to Melissa Baum as to what she should do, when she should do it, and how she should do it.  Add to that mix, Melissa Baum's own family, an ex the flies in to town and leaves shortly thereafter, LE giving her advice, etc and a son who has issues, including trying to deal with life without a father around, and God only knows who else.
Now, do you really think Melissa Baum owes either one of us an explanation as to what she has or has not done?  We want a timeline . . . we want an explanation . . . we want more polys . . we want . . . we want . . . we want . . .
Would you come on some forum and try to explain anything, knowing any thing and everything she says will be chewed up and spit out and then chewed some more.
Now before anyone get all huffy, let me assure you that the first person I am talking to is me . . . I've wanted to know this, I've wanted to know that. . . and maybe my/your motives have been correct, we want Lindsey home with her mother . . . but how dare I even suggest that Melissa Baum is accountable to me to satisfy my need and/or curiosity.
I don't think she reads here, but if she does . . . all I can say, as pitiful as it is, Melissa Baum I am sorry.
Now what, the fact is, as we all know, Lindsey is missing.  As someone has already said, we/I need to go back to square one and see if I can glean one little sliver of fact of anything that might help bring this child home.  Being critical won't help a bit, saying how could she? won't help at bit -- what is done is done and can't be changed no matter what my personal opinion is about whether it should have been done a certain way or not.  I am sorry I have participated in and fed the feeding frenzy.  I take full responsibility for my actions.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:42:04 PM
DD, if you can, would you please come on and put this to rest about Kona and the search that day?  I read that she went to donate food, not search as she was not physically able.  Thanks!

It is in the first post at this link

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html

Kona went to donate food.
Thanks again Leroy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:44:02 PM
I believe what is going on here is going back to square 1, so to speak.  Are there inconsistencies, things that don't make sense, in MB, KK, etc. timelines and/or actions that night?  If so, why?
This below doesn't make sense to me.

Quote
KaraK wrote:


1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.


Quote
KaraK wrote(same post):


2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

So which is it?
KaraK and old man rushed right over to Melissa's house OR they arrived at Melissa's after 30 minutes of searching?



Tracygirl, you could have a point about the fog that overcomes someone in a horrific situation such as MB was that night, but; when you couple it with Karma's post above AND MM telling MB to quit changing stores....I just don't know.

Hi, Monkeys!  I am a frequent lurker, infrequent poster.

I am wondering why these statements by KK are considered to be conflicting?  First of all, perhaps she was cutting MB some slack by saying she could have called earlier.  If my phone has no charge, it turns off and so it stays off while I charge it.  It wouldn't ring if a call came in.  So KK turns her phone on and MB calls around 10:25.  KK then gets her daughter and while she is asking her for details she is walking outside and looking to see if she sees LB.  KK states that MB is heading towards her house while talking with her and probably calling other numbers, and possibly the police.  MB and KK are calling each other back and forth about the details, KK possibly filling in MB on things her daughter said, where LB could have gone, while walking towards each other.  That could take 30 minutes if you have not panicked yet.  So then, either they meet or see each other and still no Lindsey.  Since KK just was going out to check around her house, expecting to see Lindsey, maybe she didn't have shoes on at that point.  I know I run outside in my bare feet all the time.  Which brings us to KK's second answer.  When neither KK or MB see Lindsey on the path she should have taken home, KK goes inside, drops off her phone and gets her old man.  They then drive to MB who is waiting for the police. 

Am I missing the conflicting statements or is this a plausible scenario?  (And of course, the above is completely hypothetical.)   
Hi Donuts
I should have bolded the differences like I just did above.
KaraK's boyfriend drove over to Lindsey's house.

Thank you for the clarification, Karma.

If you put the two bolded sections together, it reads like her timeline.  From the call at 10:25 she searched for half an hour which brings her to going back into her house, getting her boyfriend at 10:55 and driving to MB's house where the police arrived around 11.  So I still don't see a discrepancy...
Ahh,I see it your way also now.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 29, 2009, 06:44:22 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Hi Karma,  It has to be WS, and likewise over there, SM is referred to as 'over yonder' as well.  It is too bad IMO but beyond our control and simply want us all to work together.

Now I also want to say that the talk of Jenn is also too bad.  It has to be something personal.  At WS we have one rule that we don't attack the poster, just the post.  I don't know if she belongs here but I post with her every day o'er yonder and must say I wish I had half the energy she has and could match the devotion and strength she has in doing her best to help find Lindsey.  I have never seen a negative side to her and am just putting this out there like I would for anyone else I admire.  Come what may, it should be all about Lindsey and not about ragging on a poster who has her best interest at heart.  The same could be said about Kona, although I have never posted with her that I know of. 

xox  See y'all tonight!


Scandi, I started to let this one go, but...  Most importantly, I want to say that being a long time lurker up until very recently, I have the upmost confidence and respect for DD and her passion and skills which she uses to try to find the missing.  Secondly, she also spends an enormous amount of her personal time in doing so, as well.  To say that what she has revealed thus far in her quest to get to the truth about Lindsey is just a PERSONALITY CONFLICT, well I don't buy it for a New York minute.  I would assume you have read what DD has revealed thus far, so either you believe her, or you don't.  Respectfully, we can agree to disagree!

The fact that J. appears to some of us to be controlling, snarky, snide remarks about SM, etc.  have NOTHING to do with my concern about how she has inserted herself into the searches, couldn't wait to "out" Kona on IS board Fri. night, has become involved with KK and MB, and most importantly done what DD says herself on DD's site.

With that said, all we are trying to do is look for odd behavior, inconsistencies, etc. in order to figure out WHERE LINDSEY IS.  I know I live on the other coast, have no one to cover up for, have no agendas, do not know anyone involved in this case.  Probably, most of the other people don't as well.  We just want to find Lindsey.  That goal is not lost here at SM.

As Klaasend said, no one in McCleary is above suspicion, or something like that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 06:46:17 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

I am bumping this because I want to see if anyone else has any thoughts on how Kona's son could have done this.
I have not heard anything about being caught with child porn at school  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: at school, high school/college? If this is true, I'm very bothered by that, very. Which might explain the porn that police took from the home, if it was regular porn I don't think they would have taken that, would they?  ::MonkeyConfused:: This needs to be cleared up, I honestly have not heard this before right now  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 06:47:05 PM

I don't know,everyone has said Lindsey was afraid of the dark and didn't like being out in the dark alone.

IMO I'm trying to keep it simple.

Plus 9:30 at night on the streets of McCleary may not be that dark but for sure the surrounding woods are very dark.....and scary.


ACCORDING TO MOM

The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.

That’s why it makes no sense to Baum that her little girl would have wandered away late at night. Baum and members of her family think Lindsey was abducted when she was walking back from a friend’s house some four blocks from her home, where she lives with her mom and 12-year-old brother, Josh.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


ACCORDING TO KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #549 on: July 17, 2009, 10:10:17 AM »


If you've seen the pics over there you know at 9 it was still pretty light out.  10:15 was a different story though at that time it was dark. You would expect as we did that approximately a 7 minute walk would easily get her home before then. It is really not unusual to see good amount of light for a good hour or so after the sun starts to set which was around 9:15 or 9:20 or so this time of year. But then again today it was getting dark here by about 9pm.  Not to mention yet again that Lindsey is terrified of the dark and would have never walked out of my home alone if it would have been at all what she even considered dark - even if I would have told her to - she still would have asked to call her mom or asked for a ride home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg880225;topicseen#msg880225


HOWEVER ....


ACCORDING MADIBABE'S FRIEND

madibabe
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »


I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg874684;topicseen#msg874684

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 06:48:37 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Hi Karma,  It has to be WS, and likewise over there, SM is referred to as 'over yonder' as well.  It is too bad IMO but beyond our control and simply want us all to work together.

Now I also want to say that the talk of Jenn is also too bad.  It has to be something personal.  At WS we have one rule that we don't attack the poster, just the post.  I don't know if she belongs here but I post with her every day o'er yonder and must say I wish I had half the energy she has and could match the devotion and strength she has in doing her best to help find Lindsey.  I have never seen a negative side to her and am just putting this out there like I would for anyone else I admire.  Come what may, it should be all about Lindsey and not about ragging on a poster who has her best interest at heart.  The same could be said about Kona, although I have never posted with her that I know of. 

xox  See y'all tonight!
Hi Scandi
No,JenniferO is not a member here I don't think....judging from the way she and a few others rag on us lol

I don't know JenniferO but from reading her posts at WS and IS she comes off as bossy and a know it all BUT I understand you admiring her.She does seem to add a lot of good things in the way of trying to find Lindsey.


I don't think she was a part of Forumdom before Lindsey went missing and so she dove right to it when this happened.  And remember she got her feet wet in our world of Sleuthing among some of the finest and polished posters out there.  ;}


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 06:52:04 PM
You cannot force someone to take a poly.  It is against the law.  One reason, it is not admissable in court.  A poly is used to give LE some direction as which way to go. 
Now to the women surrounding Melissa Baum -- Melissa McCann was one of the reasons that Melissa Baum moved to Washington.  She and Melissa Baum have been friends for a very long time.  Since Melissa Baum moved back to Washington, Melissa McCann has had a new addition, beautiful baby! and a new boyfriend.  When such events happen, girlfriends often don't talk to each other as much or see each other as much.  They were/are still good friends.  The night Lindsey went missing, Melissa Baum called Melissa McCann, and the next day Melissa McCann went to Lindsey's house and spent a considerable amount of time there in the following days.
KaraK was not close friends with Melissa Baum, having only been living in McCleary for a short period of time (I think since January).  However, their daughters were very good friends and spent a lot of time together.  Until Lindsey went missing, KaraK and Melissa Baum did not spend a lot of time together, they were simply the mothers of their daughters who were best friends.
Jennifer O does not live in McCleary and she has a family.  When the Laura Recovery Center was coming to town, she volunteered and took instruction on how to organize searches, etc.  Consequently, she became very involved with the Baum family, with KaraK, and Melissa  McCann.
So there you have 3 different women trying to help Melissa Baum.  I can only imagine the different personalities of each trying to give advice to Melissa Baum as to what she should do, when she should do it, and how she should do it.  Add to that mix, Melissa Baum's own family, an ex the flies in to town and leaves shortly thereafter, LE giving her advice, etc and a son who has issues, including trying to deal with life without a father around, and God only knows who else.
Now, do you really think Melissa Baum owes either one of us an explanation as to what she has or has not done?  We want a timeline . . . we want an explanation . . . we want more polys . . we want . . . we want . . . we want . . .
Would you come on some forum and try to explain anything, knowing any thing and everything she says will be chewed up and spit out and then chewed some more.
Now before anyone get all huffy, let me assure you that the first person I am talking to is me . . . I've wanted to know this, I've wanted to know that. . . and maybe my/your motives have been correct, we want Lindsey home with her mother . . . but how dare I even suggest that Melissa Baum is accountable to me to satisfy my need and/or curiosity.
I don't think she reads here, but if she does . . . all I can say, as pitiful as it is, Melissa Baum I am sorry.
Now what, the fact is, as we all know, Lindsey is missing.  As someone has already said, we/I need to go back to square one and see if I can glean one little sliver of fact of anything that might help bring this child home.  Being critical won't help a bit, saying how could she? won't help at bit -- what is done is done and can't be changed no matter what my personal opinion is about whether it should have been done a certain way or not.  I am sorry I have participated in and fed the feeding frenzy.  I take full responsibility for my actions.
Very well stated Sister,that's the point I was trying to make last night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 06:53:32 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

I am bumping this because I want to see if anyone else has any thoughts on how Kona's son could have done this.
I have not heard anything about being caught with child porn at school  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: at school, high school/college? If this is true, I'm very bothered by that, very. Which might explain the porn that police took from the home, if it was regular porn I don't think they would have taken that, would they?  ::MonkeyConfused:: This needs to be cleared up, I honestly have not heard this before right now  ::MonkeyEek::


I have no idea if this is rumor or fact. It was on posted on this site on the 28th.


"well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
Does anyone have any idea how to read the court document codes for the state of Washington?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 07:01:51 PM
Does anyone have any idea how to read the court document codes for the state of Washington?

I found two D.G.s in the court records. They each have different middle initials. Does anyone know D.G.'s middle initial?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:04:22 PM
Sorry,I posted a response to the Tag and Libby pool/house and somewhere my post is floating around lol

I now cannot find the original post but here is my response:

The house with the pool was the same house Lindsey swam at that Thursday and Friday.It is located at 3rd street/main street.
We have no confirmation that Lindsey actually stopped there on her way home from KaraK's that night.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 07:05:17 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

I agree Sunshine! Especially the snarkiness toward our forum.  And the folks over yonder who would then line up and agree.. or not. 



Funny isn't it...that we 3 got the same impression.  Then, to see her "outed" by DD........
It's crazy, and for Heaven's sake if Kona is not able to search, why would anyone expect her to put her name down for just dropping off food? I would have gotten mad and upset if someone was harrassing me to put my name down, and might have left with the food.
OK,I can kinda see why the people at the search center would want to see some ID,even if you are just dropping off food.What IF it was someone who wanted to sabotage the whole search by putting poison or something in the food?
Maybe I watch too many CSI's and L&O's and other crime shows plus I am kinda paranoid. ::MonkeyDevil2::
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyDevil::  I thought that also


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 07:06:07 PM
Does anyone have any idea how to read the court document codes for the state of Washington?

I found two D.G.s in the court records. They each have different middle initials. Does anyone know D.G.'s middle initial?

not sure what it is...hopefully some other monkey knows.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:06:59 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 07:08:31 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Hi Karma,  It has to be WS, and likewise over there, SM is referred to as 'over yonder' as well.  It is too bad IMO but beyond our control and simply want us all to work together.

Now I also want to say that the talk of Jenn is also too bad.  It has to be something personal.  At WS we have one rule that we don't attack the poster, just the post.  I don't know if she belongs here but I post with her every day o'er yonder and must say I wish I had half the energy she has and could match the devotion and strength she has in doing her best to help find Lindsey.  I have never seen a negative side to her and am just putting this out there like I would for anyone else I admire.  Come what may, it should be all about Lindsey and not about ragging on a poster who has her best interest at heart.  The same could be said about Kona, although I have never posted with her that I know of. 

xox  See y'all tonight!


Scandi, I started to let this one go, but...  Most importantly, I want to say that being a long time lurker up until very recently, I have the upmost confidence and respect for DD and her passion and skills which she uses to try to find the missing.  Secondly, she also spends an enormous amount of her personal time in doing so, as well.  To say that what she has revealed thus far in her quest to get to the truth about Lindsey is just a PERSONALITY CONFLICT, well I don't buy it for a New York minute.  I would assume you have read what DD has revealed thus far, so either you believe her, or you don't.  Respectfully, we can agree to disagree!

The fact that J. appears to some of us to be controlling, snarky, snide remarks about SM, etc.  have NOTHING to do with my concern about how she has inserted herself into the searches, couldn't wait to "out" Kona on IS board Fri. night, has become involved with KK and MB, and most importantly done what DD says herself on DD's site.

With that said, all we are trying to do is look for odd behavior, inconsistencies, etc. in order to figure out WHERE LINDSEY IS.  I know I live on the other coast, have no one to cover up for, have no agendas, do not know anyone involved in this case.  Probably, most of the other people don't as well.  We just want to find Lindsey.  That goal is not lost here at SM.

As Klaasend said, no one in McCleary is above suspicion, or something like that.

Hi Madre and thanks for the reply.  ITA agree with you about DD and the good works she has done in Lindsey's case.  I have read what is currently up at DD's board but not any previous posts there.  When I see a conflict like this arise I try to stay out of it as it is their disagreement.  What was said between them that started a problem I do not know.

I just hate to see posters that are newbies, lurkers or guests read this as it tends to take away from the Sleuthing at hand, bringing personalities in like that.  And I just haven't read the snarkiness referred to.  LOL  I would say she might come off as an upper class mother and wife who is very busy with all that plus the goings on in her nearby community and still works a certain # of hours a week driving some huge bulldozer [?} clearing land for her in-laws.  I just look at that as giving more depth to our discussions, getting different perspectives from people who are all different but joined together to do something positive.  xoxoxox





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:10:35 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

I agree Sunshine! Especially the snarkiness toward our forum.  And the folks over yonder who would then line up and agree.. or not. 



Funny isn't it...that we 3 got the same impression.  Then, to see her "outed" by DD........
It's crazy, and for Heaven's sake if Kona is not able to search, why would anyone expect her to put her name down for just dropping off food? I would have gotten mad and upset if someone was harrassing me to put my name down, and might have left with the food.
OK,I can kinda see why the people at the search center would want to see some ID,even if you are just dropping off food.What IF it was someone who wanted to sabotage the whole search by putting poison or something in the food?
Maybe I watch too many CSI's and L&O's and other crime shows plus I am kinda paranoid. ::MonkeyDevil2::
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyDevil::  I thought that also
::MonkeyDevil::
Granted Kona could have been dropping off pre packaged foods then I would have to say why did JennO need her full name for that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 07:10:37 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

I am bumping this because I want to see if anyone else has any thoughts on how Kona's son could have done this.
I have not heard anything about being caught with child porn at school  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: at school, high school/college? If this is true, I'm very bothered by that, very. Which might explain the porn that police took from the home, if it was regular porn I don't think they would have taken that, would they?  ::MonkeyConfused:: This needs to be cleared up, I honestly have not heard this before right now  ::MonkeyEek::


I have no idea if this is rumor or fact. It was on posted on this site on the 28th.


"well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?"
Oh know, I don't need a link, I just must have missed this in reading  ::MonkeyConfused:: Just upset about it. I'm so confused with this person and her family, I'm not sure what to think. Thank-you for answering me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

I am bumping this because I want to see if anyone else has any thoughts on how Kona's son could have done this.
I have not heard anything about being caught with child porn at school  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: at school, high school/college? If this is true, I'm very bothered by that, very. Which might explain the porn that police took from the home, if it was regular porn I don't think they would have taken that, would they?  ::MonkeyConfused:: This needs to be cleared up, I honestly have not heard this before right now  ::MonkeyEek::


I have no idea if this is rumor or fact. It was on posted on this site on the 28th.


"well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?"
Oh know, I don't need a link, I just must have missed this in reading  ::MonkeyConfused:: Just upset about it. I'm so confused with this person and her family, I'm not sure what to think. Thank-you for answering me.

You think you are confused? I thinking I am going bonkers!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:14:25 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::
Yup,2 pools plus the one pool doesn't have a stove as a diving board.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 07:15:08 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::

I am sorry if this offends anyone, but I would not let my pets in that first pool, much less my child. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 07:21:35 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::
Yup,2 pools plus the one pool doesn't have a stove as a diving board.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are much more observant than I am. I did not even notice that diving board!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:28:33 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::
Yup,2 pools plus the one pool doesn't have a stove as a diving board.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are much more observant than I am. I did not even notice that diving board!  ::MonkeyLaugh::
::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:30:20 PM
Time to say goodnight,you all have a good one.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 07:33:27 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::
Yup,2 pools plus the one pool doesn't have a stove as a diving board.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh Karma,  that is funny!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 07:36:18 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::

I am sorry if this offends anyone, but I would not let my pets in that first pool, much less my child. JMO

That whole yard is dangerous and spooky to me.  People live there with a construction sign on the front door?  I wonder how long those windows have been leaning up against the side of the house. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 07:36:31 PM


i also wanted to add that she could be a very nice person. she might see the investigation in a different light than some of us do because she has gotten to know mb and kk. i do not know her and have never interacted with her. and again, sometimes poeple come off differnetly than they intend to online, especially to those of us that are sensitive (like myself)... i will say again that i do agree with her concern when kona gave only her screenname when asked.

Sunshine ... I agree.

On the other hand ... I have taken note of the words of some posters who have in the past  had personal contacts with Melissa Baum and Kara Kampen  ... posters who had a strong bias in favor of these two as well as Josh B. but ... as time progresses ... there seems to be cracks to various degrees in that support.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
Had to pop back in real quick and post this.What the heck is going on?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861

Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsay Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

A vigil on Saturday marked three months since Lindsey Baum, 11, vanished while walking home from a friend's house.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 29, 2009, 07:42:38 PM
One more........    ::MonkeyEek::

As she marked three months since her daughter vanished, Melissa Baum of McCleary got a disturbing letter from the state.

She was informed her ex-husband would no longer be required to pay child support for eleven year old Lindsey, because her child hadn't been home for three months.

"I still have to maintain a house for her, I still have to maintain a life for her. This is not a normal case. She is a child that has been abducted, she's missing." Baum said on Tuesday.

State child support spokesman Adolpho Capenstany says the letter sent to Melissa Baum was a form letter that routinely goes out after 90-days of a child being out of the home and he admits it should not have been sent in this case. "It's not a procedure that we would instigate in the manner it was, and it's also insensitive to a very difficult situation regarding a missing child." Capenstany said.


http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218867


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 07:52:22 PM
Scandi I do not have a personal beef with JennO, I do not know her. What I do know raises my suspiciouns due to her attitude, in addition to not passing out flyers, not wanting theories talked about, if she was "guest", injecting herself into the case. That I have a problem with because the last thing Lindsey needs is for this case to get cold. 

Why does she come off as a bully, and verbally harrass? Is that truly the attititude one needs to have when in such a delicate situation?
 
I do not recall the name of the boyfriend, I do recall the pic though. He was a middle aged man, larger built. We talked about him here because he was on some of the kids myspace pages, and Kara's.

I donated paper, water and something else, I think some office supplies to Sandra's search, never was asked to leave my name.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 29, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
Someone asked a couple of pages back who Tag and Libby are..

I remember their being discussed earlier on in this case.  And with the confusing info at times, it's hard to remember for sure, who is who. 

Yet I'm thinking that *maybe* Tag and Libby are the ones with the swimming pool, where Lindsey swam with friends earlier in the day??  Was it was their daughter that Lindsey had had a falling out with earlier, then got that straightened out enough to be friends again by that afternoon?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please! 

And if all that's true, then is it Tag and Libby's house that Lindsey stopped by, (after going to KK's and before going home), to ask if she could spend the night?  IIRC, the parents said no.  And Lindsey supposedly continued on her way home. 





yup, exactly right. they live at the home she was swimming at. i believe it was their neice that made lb so upset that she didnt even want to go to school

ok, thanks sunshine!  and their niece then, rather than a daughter, gotcha.  thanks again for that info. 

kind of wondering, what went on between the girls for lindsey to not even want to go to school.. as others have mentioned, girls at that age and a bit older can be soooo OMG cruel to each other. 

so do we know whether or not it was their house that lindsey stopped by to ask if she could stay the night?  i know it was one of her friends, just haven't heard which one. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 07:57:38 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094886&postcount=163

from jennifer o:

Just wanted to say one thing about the LEs and lack of suspects.

we are dealing with small town America here. Everyone knows everyone (or possibly related in some way) so LEs could be keeping tight lips.

I found out just how small this world actually is today when my son and daughter in law came to help search.

KK and my daughter in law knew each other. KK dated my DILs uncle for many years and KK helped take care of my DILs great grandmother when she was ill. (he was investigated via us and SM a long time ago because he was/is on KKs myspace page- I had no idea it was my DILs uncle as I've never met him. I knew the name was the same but I thought maybe it was just a weird coincidence)

Anyway that kind of put it into perspective today just how small this world is. I can understand why the LEs are being quiet if they have someone in mind or are watching several "someones".
Acck!
All this using initials and hints and clues reminds me of reading at WS lol
Can someone please just say the name and come right out with what you are talking about?
I'm busy trying to figure out what was discussed last night with some poster somewhere being mean and spiteful to someone somewhere.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I agree! I am still trying to figure out who that spiteful poster is too! I even read over there and didn't see the snarker...did you?
LOL....Cookie,I have even figured out where "over there"is.Where is over there?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Hi Karma,  It has to be WS, and likewise over there, SM is referred to as 'over yonder' as well.  It is too bad IMO but beyond our control and simply want us all to work together.

Now I also want to say that the talk of Jenn is also too bad.  It has to be something personal.  At WS we have one rule that we don't attack the poster, just the post.  I don't know if she belongs here but I post with her every day o'er yonder and must say I wish I had half the energy she has and could match the devotion and strength she has in doing her best to help find Lindsey.  I have never seen a negative side to her and am just putting this out there like I would for anyone else I admire.  Come what may, it should be all about Lindsey and not about ragging on a poster who has her best interest at heart.  The same could be said about Kona, although I have never posted with her that I know of. 

xox  See y'all tonight!
Hi Scandi
No,JenniferO is not a member here I don't think....judging from the way she and a few others rag on us lol

I don't know JenniferO but from reading her posts at WS and IS she comes off as bossy and a know it all BUT I understand you admiring her.She does seem to add a lot of good things in the way of trying to find Lindsey.


I don't think she was a part of Forumdom before Lindsey went missing and so she dove right to it when this happened.  And remember she got her feet wet in our world of Sleuthing among some of the finest and polished posters out there.  ;}

Thank you for answering my question. She was not an "sleuther" prior to this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 29, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.



Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
One more........    ::MonkeyEek::

As she marked three months since her daughter vanished, Melissa Baum of McCleary got a disturbing letter from the state.

She was informed her ex-husband would no longer be required to pay child support for eleven year old Lindsey, because her child hadn't been home for three months.

"I still have to maintain a house for her, I still have to maintain a life for her. This is not a normal case. She is a child that has been abducted, she's missing." Baum said on Tuesday.

State child support spokesman Adolpho Capenstany says the letter sent to Melissa Baum was a form letter that routinely goes out after 90-days of a child being out of the home and he admits it should not have been sent in this case. "It's not a procedure that we would instigate in the manner it was, and it's also insensitive to a very difficult situation regarding a missing child." Capenstany said.


http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218867


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 08:02:40 PM
jennifero is the poster at websleuths that has also been in contact with DD on her forum.  she is a local and has helped out a lot with the search. i have no idea what her intentions are.  at first most of us who read at multiple forums found some of her posts condescending, kind of like a know it all i guess that quickly befriended mb and kk.  i know i was extremely put off by the way she constantly would put down Scared Monkeys forum. it was not until dd made that post on her website at true crime forums that a lot of us realized just how much she was involved in talking behind peoples backs and stuff that are involved with the case. i know people at other forums like insessions have expressed frustration with her as well. 

i also wanted to add that she could be a very nice person. she might see the investigation in a different light than some of us do because she has gotten to know mb and kk. i do not know her and have never interacted with her. and again, sometimes poeple come off differnetly than they intend to online, especially to those of us that are sensitive (like myself)... i will say again that i do agree with her concern when kona gave only her screenname when asked.
catching up here,  but this makes me wonder.  maybe knona know jenn was on the web and different forums and maybe she assumed that jenn realized the same.  so if one knew (kona) maybe she assumed the other did as well (some people really get into screen names and what have you) so when knoa( who had lived there for a while (as well as jenn)) stated her screen name she assumed that jenn knew her outside of the web as well (being a resident and all) 

in other words heck i don't know ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 08:06:11 PM
Yikes Karma!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 29, 2009, 08:15:50 PM
Has LE Looked at the dad ??
Where does he live ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 08:17:39 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

I am bumping this because I want to see if anyone else has any thoughts on how Kona's son could have done this.
I have not heard anything about being caught with child porn at school  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: at school, high school/college? If this is true, I'm very bothered by that, very. Which might explain the porn that police took from the home, if it was regular porn I don't think they would have taken that, would they?  ::MonkeyConfused:: This needs to be cleared up, I honestly have not heard this before right now  ::MonkeyEek::


I have no idea if this is rumor or fact. It was on posted on this site on the 28th.


"well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?"
busted with kiddy porn at school?  humm.  i don't think it would be to hard to stay away from him if its true considering that he would be in a facility.  unless the school just let it slide.  ya think they would?  just kinda push kiddy porn under the rug but let the town know about it?  humm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 08:20:56 PM
MM thank you for your post. I am sorry MB is put through the ringer. I don't know why the family is treated as such. I have seen it in many cases, it is sad.

Sister I meant to say thank you for your post too.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 08:22:14 PM
sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.

Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Melissa m.

1.  IF Lindsey made it that short distance home following the witness sightings at 5th and Maple and ... something happened to her at the hands of either her brother or mother ... I do not believe for one minute the Lindsey's death was intentional.  I believe it could have been an impulsive action that could not be taken back.

However ... a cover up with assistance would be considered premeditated.  I believe a cover up with assistance would be considered an obstruction of the investigation.

2.  Click "CLOSE" on the popup if you are not interested ... it only takes a second.

Janet

+++++++


mlachester:

... And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry


TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


+++++++

MELISSA MCCANN - IN HER OWN WORDS

JOSH BAUM


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect.. I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 29, 2009, 08:24:39 PM
Sorry,I posted a response to the Tag and Libby pool/house and somewhere my post is floating around lol

I now cannot find the original post but here is my response:

The house with the pool was the same house Lindsey swam at that Thursday and Friday.It is located at 3rd street/main street.
We have no confirmation that Lindsey actually stopped there on her way home from KaraK's that night.



Ok, thanks Karma!! 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
One more........    ::MonkeyEek::

As she marked three months since her daughter vanished, Melissa Baum of McCleary got a disturbing letter from the state.

She was informed her ex-husband would no longer be required to pay child support for eleven year old Lindsey, because her child hadn't been home for three months.

"I still have to maintain a house for her, I still have to maintain a life for her. This is not a normal case. She is a child that has been abducted, she's missing." Baum said on Tuesday.

State child support spokesman Adolpho Capenstany says the letter sent to Melissa Baum was a form letter that routinely goes out after 90-days of a child being out of the home and he admits it should not have been sent in this case. "It's not a procedure that we would instigate in the manner it was, and it's also insensitive to a very difficult situation regarding a missing child." Capenstany said.


http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218867

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::
so when you report your child missing the state starts a count down at day one and if it reaches 90 what ever benefits or support you have for said child ends.  WTF?  i understand if the child is removed or deceased (such as a record of death)  ?  i agree the state should not pay to a household that does not have the child but i gotta wonder?  man they were just sooo on top of it.  if there where a human being that realized the situation ?  let me back up.  dhs or whatever were called out when she went missing.  i'm sure they had a file (if she was getting support (even child support) through the state they have a file.  but a caseworker could have footnoted that file of the situation.  now i got a million questions (considering crystal cosslin in Haleigh's case is still paying child support for both children and one is missing.) ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 08:37:22 PM
Pool/house above not to be confused with the pool/house that Don and his dog took a picture of.


So there are two different pools, I thought so, because this pic the yard is no where as junky as the other yard ::MonkeyEek::
Yup,2 pools plus the one pool doesn't have a stove as a diving board.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are much more observant than I am. I did not even notice that diving board!  ::MonkeyLaugh::
  ::MonkeyEek::  Me either, it is like a junk yard, or it appears to be, maybe it is, I don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 08:38:11 PM
Had to pop back in real quick and post this.What the heck is going on?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861

Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsay Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

A vigil on Saturday marked three months since Lindsey Baum, 11, vanished while walking home from a friend's house.



i still would really like to know what the inconsistencies were


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 08:39:14 PM
Had to pop back in real quick and post this.What the heck is going on?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861

Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsay Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

A vigil on Saturday marked three months since Lindsey Baum, 11, vanished while walking home from a friend's house.


  Wow  ::MonkeyEek:: You have a good night Karma  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 08:43:38 PM
One more........    ::MonkeyEek::

As she marked three months since her daughter vanished, Melissa Baum of McCleary got a disturbing letter from the state.

She was informed her ex-husband would no longer be required to pay child support for eleven year old Lindsey, because her child hadn't been home for three months.

"I still have to maintain a house for her, I still have to maintain a life for her. This is not a normal case. She is a child that has been abducted, she's missing." Baum said on Tuesday.

State child support spokesman Adolpho Capenstany says the letter sent to Melissa Baum was a form letter that routinely goes out after 90-days of a child being out of the home and he admits it should not have been sent in this case. "It's not a procedure that we would instigate in the manner it was, and it's also insensitive to a very difficult situation regarding a missing child." Capenstany said.


http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218867

   ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 08:43:46 PM
Had to pop back in real quick and post this.What the heck is going on?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861

Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsay Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

A vigil on Saturday marked three months since Lindsey Baum, 11, vanished while walking home from a friend's house.



Thanks Karma

I have believe from the getgo that there must have been a credible foundation for the search this past weekend.  A judge would not have approved the warrant otherwise.

Nevertheless ... it has to be remembered that the guage is on "person of interest" not "suspect".

IF the pornographic material that was seized was child porn ... a "person of interest" label is justified.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 08:48:35 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 09:02:25 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

Yes, think so too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 09:04:43 PM
and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.                   ::MonkeyEek::  Why in the world would you or anyone else say such a thing? Wow, I sure hope Josh doesn't here anything like this  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 29, 2009, 09:11:01 PM
and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.                   ::MonkeyEek::  Why in the world would you or anyone else say such a thing? Wow, I sure hope Josh doesn't here anything like this  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Disturbing isnt it?

I personally dont believe MB had anything to do with this, but I hope the "we have even said it out loud" comment above does not mean MB has ever said this. As an outsider, i suppose i can see someone thinking it but not a mother...EVER!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 09:11:54 PM
and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.                   ::MonkeyEek::  Why in the world would you or anyone else say such a thing? Wow, I sure hope Josh doesn't here anything like this  ::MonkeyNoNo::

i agree, thats like saying a child with a disability is not as good of a child as one without.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 09:17:10 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

yes, there def would have been an arrest if it was child porn, that's illegal.

i'm not really sure why they would take the porn. at first i thought maybe they could find dna on it (gross) but then i realized if they wanted that they could just take a toothbrush or hairbrush or something like that. then i thought maybe they took it b/c they thought they could gain insight into this "POI's" personality or behaviors from the type of porn he reads. i dont know. it's just disturbing and i feel really bad for this poi if he is innocent


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:18:52 PM
well here is my uberBi!@h coming out.  i think if she were to have one gone it would be lindsey.  josh is the cash cow between the child support and the state benefits he can receive because of his disability he rakes in more dough!

now how that ever even came up in conversation is waaay beyond me

and if it really did  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

yes, there def would have been an arrest if it was child porn, that's illegal.

i'm not really sure why they would take the porn. at first i thought maybe they could find dna on it (gross) but then i realized if they wanted that they could just take a toothbrush or hairbrush or something like that. then i thought maybe they took it b/c they thought they could gain insight into this "POI's" personality or behaviors from the type of porn he reads. i dont know. it's just disturbing and i feel really bad for this poi if he is innocent
maybe there was a minor in the house?  maybe they offered to 'remove' it because of that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 09:21:21 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

++++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of  pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html








Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 09:21:51 PM
Has LE Looked at the dad ??
Where does he live ?


Hi Edward, and Thanks.  Your comment made me take another look at the link:

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861 (http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861)

Snip
"Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsay Baum case a person of interest."

When I first read that I thought it could be the 23 yr old as he is a man.  It also could be the father in the family.

We'll have to find out more as time progresses, to see if this family of 4 includes 2 sons, a mother and then - a father.  It will certainly put a different light on things.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 29, 2009, 09:22:17 PM
When articles and are quotes are bumped, grinded, or snipped, in all fairness to the conversation, all the conversations contrary or proving the comments wrong to the bumped, grinded, or snipped comments need to be included.
It was determined pages ago that NO written complaint was filed with LE or SS regarding any abuse to Lindsey from her mother or her brother.  It was proven pages and pages ago the ML has an axe to grind and has not be totally forthright in her comments.  To snip such comments as truisms is misleading and blatantly unfair to any conversation.  Unless such inflamatory remarks can be substantiated, to continue to bump, grind, or snip is just plain wrong.  And no, I will not go back and find it, everyone here can read just as good as I can.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to knowingly bump, grind, and snip only select pieces of newspaper articles or contrary opinions is misleading and unfair to readers who may not have read all comments and it causes unwarranted speculation and rumors.
And yes, I'm on a tear! for which I will not apologize unless my facts are wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:24:35 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

++++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of  pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html







Janet...some states allow you to have a min amount of marijuana on you persons and you will not be arrested.  there is no such thing as a min of child porn.  with all respect.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 29, 2009, 09:27:55 PM
That's what makes me think it wasn't child porn, because then I would think there would have been an arrest  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:29:02 PM
That's what makes me think it wasn't child porn, because then I would think there would have been an arrest  ::MonkeyConfused::
oh no rose ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 09:32:16 PM

...  IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! ...


   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 09:37:01 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

++++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of  pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html







Janet...some states allow you to have a min amount of marijuana on you persons and you will not be arrested.  there is no such thing as a min of child porn.  with all respect.


Hi Mamacrazy,  And they took porn magazines - plural. That sounds like it was more than an oddity to have it there and maybe the reader had a habit or passion for it.   Just sayin'    Also if the mags were all displaying the same type of porn it would show a specific interest or pattern, which could be used in profiling.  And the most awful thought of all is they wanted to have it analyzed forensically for fingerprints and DNA from bodily fluids.  Just throwing it out there as everything needs to be considered.  xox    IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 29, 2009, 09:41:01 PM
I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

++++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of  pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html



Janet...some states allow you to have a min amount of marijuana on you persons and you will not be arrested.  there is no such thing as a min of child porn.  with all respect.

Thanks mamacrazy.

I still cannot comprehend why adult porn was seized.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:43:59 PM
maybe.  but plural means more than one.  could be 5-5,000.  maybe there was a minor in the house and the le helped 'remove' the mags because of it.  my hubs has girly mags.  are they gonna come to my house next? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 29, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

++++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of  pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html



Janet...some states allow you to have a min amount of marijuana on you persons and you will not be arrested.  there is no such thing as a min of child porn.  with all respect.

Thanks mamacrazy.

I still cannot comprehend why adult porn was seized.

Janet


honestly imo they had to take something.  it would look pretty silly going after a search warrent and jumping through the hoops to come up empty handed.  that would pretty much say 'well we were duped.' ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 09:49:58 PM
I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

++++++

mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
speaking of mlachester...she's been awfully quiet lately


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 10:01:52 PM
I don't know if this was posted, Please excuse if duplicate.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Frustration is boiling over in this small Western Washington town where a weekend search for Lindsay Baum failed to turn up a break in the case. And a local family says their son, who has received death threats, has unfairly become the town's scapegoat.

Three months have passed since Lindsay Baum disappeared. The search conducted last weekend kindled new hope, but also sparked a sense of vigilante justice.

For two days, sheriff's detectives and FBI agents swarmed over the 11-acre property of an extended local family just south of town. Deputies said the search did not turn up any key evidence linking the place with the girl's disappearance.

"They didn't find a smoking gun. There's nothing to say they didn't find clues," said Melissa Baum, the missing girl's mother. "I'm hoping they did find or at least gather some information that may help us find her."

The search may not have turned up any key evidence, but the owners of the searched property say they're still paying the price. They say the search left a cloud over their reputation, and has even prompted death threats against the family's 23-year-old son.

"I didn't even know who they were until Saturday," Melissa Baum said.

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

"That's terrible. That's how rumors start. That's how small towns are, though," said McCleary resident Mike Stoney. "You can get into a big area and you probably wouldn't hear anything like you're hearing now. Small towns are terrible for rumors."

Feeding the rumor mill are blog sites where local residents have engaged in non-stop chatter and speculations about Lindsay Baum's disappearance.

"I'm sure there's a small percentage in this community that are frustrated, that want this thing taken care of now and stop all of the melee, so to speak. But I think for a lot of us in the area here, too, we're just holding steadfast and hoping for the best," said Steve Saylor, another McCleary resident.

The sheriff's office will unseal the search warrants later this week, at which time the contents found during last week's search will be made public.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 10:05:06 PM
Porn can be in many forms from dvd's to pics to magazines. I am sure the cops didnt' take the time to look through and/or watch everything, so taking it in would seem normal.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 10:07:20 PM
Same website shows a video that shows the SM website blog....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 29, 2009, 10:09:06 PM
Porn can be in many forms from dvd's to pics to magazines. I am sure the cops didnt' take the time to look through and/or watch everything, so taking it in would seem normal.



hey tracy girl,

it specifically said porn magazines in the article, but its possible they took other porn as well from a computer and stuff


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 10:13:07 PM
As you all know, I am a mother to a child with a disability. I am proud of that fact! He is a wonderful boy, loving, sweet and my easiest one! Yep he is the easiest.

I didn't jump on what MM said because it seems to be an opinion that is just a part of society. Disabled child = hardship. Oh and disabled child= money and state funds! Oh how I wish that was true. I even get less child support for my son then my other children!

I also do not think she meant to have that come across as it did, or at least I hope not considering she is now a step mom to a child with a disability. I would think she meant, josh comes with a set of "problems" that are harder...although that is not my situation, for some families that it true. Please remember MM said that, not Melissa. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
Porn can be in many forms from dvd's to pics to magazines. I am sure the cops didnt' take the time to look through and/or watch everything, so taking it in would seem normal.



hey tracy girl,

it specifically said porn magazines in the article, but its possible they took other porn as well from a computer and stuff

Well it still seems they would not sit there and look through the magazines, kwim?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 29, 2009, 10:31:18 PM
Well we have been outed as "feeding the rumor mills" lol, I think we actually try to help stop the rumors by looking for the truth!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 29, 2009, 10:37:04 PM
Porn can be in many forms from dvd's to pics to magazines. I am sure the cops didnt' take the time to look through and/or watch everything, so taking it in would seem normal.



hey tracy girl,

it specifically said porn magazines in the article, but its possible they took other porn as well from a computer and stuff

Well it still seems they would not sit there and look through the magazines, kwim?

Sorry for the old blond head, but what does kwim mean?   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 10:39:43 PM
I don't know if this was posted, Please excuse if duplicate.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Frustration is boiling over in this small Western Washington town where a weekend search for Lindsay Baum failed to turn up a break in the case. And a local family says their son, who has received death threats, has unfairly become the town's scapegoat.

Three months have passed since Lindsay Baum disappeared. The search conducted last weekend kindled new hope, but also sparked a sense of vigilante justice.

For two days, sheriff's detectives and FBI agents swarmed over the 11-acre property of an extended local family just south of town. Deputies said the search did not turn up any key evidence linking the place with the girl's disappearance.

"They didn't find a smoking gun. There's nothing to say they didn't find clues," said Melissa Baum, the missing girl's mother. "I'm hoping they did find or at least gather some information that may help us find her."

The search may not have turned up any key evidence, but the owners of the searched property say they're still paying the price. They say the search left a cloud over their reputation, and has even prompted death threats against the family's 23-year-old son.

"I didn't even know who they were until Saturday," Melissa Baum said.

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

"That's terrible. That's how rumors start. That's how small towns are, though," said McCleary resident Mike Stoney. "You can get into a big area and you probably wouldn't hear anything like you're hearing now. Small towns are terrible for rumors."

Feeding the rumor mill are blog sites where local residents have engaged in non-stop chatter and speculations about Lindsay Baum's disappearance.

"I'm sure there's a small percentage in this community that are frustrated, that want this thing taken care of now and stop all of the melee, so to speak. But I think for a lot of us in the area here, too, we're just holding steadfast and hoping for the best," said Steve Saylor, another McCleary resident.

The sheriff's office will unseal the search warrants later this week, at which time the contents found during last week's search will be made public.

Whether this young man was working or was at home should be easy to verify.  However ... I am sure that the Beehive employs several workers so ... there has to be some collaborating evidence.

Something raised red flags and motivated the search this past weekend.

The search warrant documents will be released this week.  Maybe some light will be shed on the foundation.

Hey ... where is the Beehive located?

Janet

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 29, 2009, 10:40:26 PM
Porn can be in many forms from dvd's to pics to magazines. I am sure the cops didnt' take the time to look through and/or watch everything, so taking it in would seem normal.



hey tracy girl,

it specifically said porn magazines in the article, but its possible they took other porn as well from a computer and stuff

Well it still seems they would not sit there and look through the magazines, kwim?

Sorry for the old blond head, but what does kwim mean?   

kwim= know what I mean


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 29, 2009, 10:41:37 PM
Porn can be in many forms from dvd's to pics to magazines. I am sure the cops didnt' take the time to look through and/or watch everything, so taking it in would seem normal.



hey tracy girl,

it specifically said porn magazines in the article, but its possible they took other porn as well from a computer and stuff

Well it still seems they would not sit there and look through the magazines, kwim?

Sorry for the old blond head, but what does kwim mean?   

I have "toasted almond" color hair ... out of a bottle ... and I could not figure that one out AZSunny.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 29, 2009, 10:54:49 PM
Yes that does come across differently than how i  meant it.  No MB has never said she would rid of josh!!!!! I am saying that (since many ppl have thrown out there that mb probably did something to LB)  Generally one would think that if they are going to rid of a child, the logical choice is the one that causes the most trouble.  Josh is certainly not a cash cow as someone put it. with the troubles there has been lots of money out of mb's pocket for missing days of work or whatever. and just because someone is SUPPOSE to pay childsupport that doesnt mean it happens!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 29, 2009, 11:13:13 PM
maybe.  but plural means more than one.  could be 5-5,000.  maybe there was a minor in the house and the le helped 'remove' the mags because of it.  my hubs has girly mags.  are they gonna come to my house next? ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks, mc.  I hope you are doing well.

While we were growing up, my girlfriend's father had a bunch of those mags.  We used to sneak in his room and look at them (for a few minutes, then went back to the fun stuff like playing in the snow or on the swings, etc.)  Who the heck wants to look at that when they can go out and play and explore?

He never touched any one of us or was inappropriate in any way towards us (kids).  He was married to the same woman from his twenties until the day he died.  He worked for some kind of company that transported boxes of food, produce, and candy, and theirs was the house you wanted to hit on Halloween (full size candy bars).

IMO, and in my experience, having those mags does not make you a child abductor.  I grew up in a normal, safe neighborhood where we did not have to lock the doors in the daytime.  We lived across the street from a school with a great school yard and playground where you could find the whole neighborhood at any given moment.

(I am not in favor of pornography because I think it  exploits and hurts women and children, just wanted to make that clear).



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 29, 2009, 11:36:30 PM
sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.



Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Here are MY thoughts on Melissa B. No matter what you say, she has not acted "in the norm" since day one. I could understand that she may not want to come on any web site, what I cannot understand is why she has not been out banging on doors, following up on leads, shouting from the rooftops "where is my child". Sitting on her porch waiting for Lindsey will not help to get her home. The timelines are rediculous at best. I don't know if it is because the versions have never come from the mother herself. Like you yourself have stated, things change as they travel from one person to the next. Then there are all of the unanswered questions that are still left unanswered. "Who was the witness or witnesses that supposedly spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night?" Why is that such a secret and still remains a secret after 3 months? I could go on and on and on. There are days that Melissa B and her actions or LACK THERE OF just cause me to think "what the heck". Then I have my days when I feel sick for Melissa B. I cannot imagine for one second what it would be like to be in her shoes right now. Last week-end especially. The waiting and wondering must have been total hell! I cannot speak for anyone else, but I go from one extreme to the other with regards to my feelings on Melissa B. There are days that I am suspicious of her and there are days that my heart hurts for her. Just the facts Mam!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: melisb on September 29, 2009, 11:39:24 PM
Melissa, hi, nice to meet you!  What do you know of the girls swimming with LB, formerly the mean girls?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 30, 2009, 12:11:13 AM
I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 12:26:59 AM
I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

++++++

mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 12:34:14 AM
Sister you said that so perfectly, can I just say ditto? Do you mind!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 12:36:20 AM
I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I just waffle with my thoughts where MB is concerned. I am sure that it does not help that so many women are suspects in many high profile child related cases as we speak. Sometimes when you think that this world cannot get any crueler, you need to go back and review all of the cruelty that was going on during the times when the bible was written.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 12:39:34 AM
I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

++++++

mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?

Hi Scandi,
Where did you hear that LE has a computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS? Thank you!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 30, 2009, 12:43:57 AM
Sister you said that so perfectly, can I just say ditto? Do you mind!


Tracygirl, you know I don't mind. I know we want answers, but so do a lot of other people.  I have really checked myself today on being so judgmental and have tried very hard to put myself in Melissa Baum's shoes.  I don't know if I could get out of my bed or my pajamas or even take a bath.  I would look at the book they were reading together, I would walk past her room, see maybe her shoes somewhere were maybe they weren't suppose to be, see her favorite drink in the frig -- and I think you would have to pick me up from the floor.  Yet, she has to try and be strong for her son because unfortunately, the world does not stop to respect our despair, our fear, or even our sorrow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 30, 2009, 12:51:18 AM
I have been searching for the answere as to the second witness.  Has anyone been able to determine what she does?  I believe Undersheriff Scott reported: The last person was a neighbor on her way to work.  Some accounts was she worked at the Beehive, another for the County, another in another County??  Any valid confirmation?  At the least, I think going to work at that time(9:30PM) is a very unusual time.  Maybe security or the paper?  Just has me wondering??  If you want to blame someone, why not go after the McCleary Police for not being present on the Friday night when this happened.  Someone had to be called back to work after he just got off.  Maybe off at 11:00PM and home by 10:00PM(could not help myself)?  Why not make public who was the McCleary officer called back to duty after the 911 call.  I believe there are a lot of loose ends that still need to be tied. ::MonkeyConfused::  shortcake   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 12:54:07 AM
Sister every night when I tuck my kids into bed I thank God I know where they are. The panic that runs through my body when I even try, for one moment, imagine what it would feel like to not know, to wonder if they are being hurt, if they are being abused or if they where even still alive, that panic makes me stop breathing, literally. The pain must be unbarrible.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on September 30, 2009, 01:01:02 AM
Hi All,
See everyone is here. I was told by Northern someone asked for me in regards to Kylar's wound.

If anyone needs the photo I have it.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 01:05:41 AM
I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

++++++

mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?

Hi Scandi,
Where did you hear that LE has a computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS? Thank you!


Hi to you too Sebastian,  I saw some great posts by you earlier today and wasn't even suppose to be here, rather at the office  LOL, so didn't respond to you.

But I read this here at SM in either one of DD's posts or the poster last night whose 20 yr old son came home and told him the local news about her clothes being found.  It must have been from DD and I do believe she has a copy of the warrant/s.  We'll know on Thursday.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 30, 2009, 01:06:23 AM
I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I just waffle with my thoughts where MB is concerned. I am sure that it does not help that so many women are suspects in many high profile child related cases as we speak. Sometimes when you think that this world cannot get any crueler, you need to go back and review all of the cruelty that was going on during the times when the bible was written.

Sebastian, I understand.  We have learned what people, including women, are capable and it does go beyond my comprehension most of the time.  I have been a scholar of the Bible and particularly the Hebrew Scriptures for a long time and I know what you are talking about when it comes to cruelty and horrendous acts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
I have tried to put myself in Melissa Baum's place and the truth is I can't, therefore, I really don't know what "normal" is.  I have never experienced anything like she has and is experiencing.  Everyone of us does things, doesn't do things, says things, doesn't say things based on our own experiences and lessons in life.  As far as I am concerned, she is a child of God and needs to be respected as such.  Her feelings and her actions are valid because they are hers.  Until such time as there is evidence or facts to the contrary, she needs our prayers and our support.  Unless I am privy to what is going on within her home, within her mind, how can I say what she is capable of thinking or doing, for all I know she is sitting on her porch or in her living room praying day and night.  We say the best thing we can do is pray, wouldn't that apply to her also.  It is quite reasonable that LE would say to her, let us handle this, we know what we doing.  There have been hundreds of cases where the parent or parents have been very vocal, and there are equally hundreds of cases where the people are so overwhelmed they are clueless what to do and their fear for the child is so disabling they can barely breathe.  So which one is normal?  I believe I know what I would do, including the banging on doors and shouting from roof tops, but that is me and my personality.  Quite frankly, I don't think there is a normal.
Other questions regarding witnesses and why it is secret or any other such issues, have nothing to do with my perception of Melissa Baum and what she is or is not doing.  I know for a fact, at least at this stage, I would advise to her to get up every day, get dressed, take care of your son, and do your best not to go insane with worry.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I just waffle with my thoughts where MB is concerned. I am sure that it does not help that so many women are suspects in many high profile child related cases as we speak. Sometimes when you think that this world cannot get any crueler, you need to go back and review all of the cruelty that was going on during the times when the bible was written.

Sebastian, I understand.  We have learned what people, including women, are capable and it does go beyond my comprehension most of the time.  I have been a scholar of the Bible and particularly the Hebrew Scriptures for a long time and I know what you are talking about when it comes to cruelty and horrendous acts.

Thank you Sister!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 01:10:27 AM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html If this has already been posted, please excuse the duplication.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 30, 2009, 01:12:14 AM
I have a little request.  Tonight I want to research any discussions about Lindsey's fear re the person in a white car following her and also that this same person approached one of her gf's and offered to let her drive the car if she wanted to.

If anyone knows where to find this quick-like I'd appreciate it.  xox

This KING5 comment is all that I have ever read regarding the white car.

Janet

++++++

mlachester:

Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Hi Tamikosmom,  You are an absolute PEACH and I thank you very much for that.

The other little 11 yr old girl Lindsey mentioned to Mlechester, I bet LE located her and have had her do an ID on this 23 yr old, just saying as it is speculative right now.  But it certainly would go to probable cause if she said it was the same guy and he was scaring Lindsey too.  xox

PS:  I think they have many things, computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS, and like a great poster I know suggested if he works at the Beehive he probably buys his gas at the Shell station and maybe he was seen on video there.  Lots of possibilities I see breaking open.

Do you think he is currently being interrogated?

Hi Scandi,
Where did you hear that LE has a computer linking Lindsey and this man on MS? Thank you!


Hi to you too Sebastian,  I saw some great posts by you earlier today and wasn't even suppose to be here, rather at the office  LOL, so didn't respond to you.

But I read this here at SM in either one of DD's posts or the poster last night whose 20 yr old son came home and told him the local news about her clothes being found.  It must have been from DD and I do believe she has a copy of the warrant/s.  We'll know on Thursday.

Scandi, I believe dd said LE had taken a computer, but I don't recall anyone has said anything on there was linked to Lindsey (it probably is still be examined) or to her myspace.  Additionally, I believe the poster in re: clothes being found later said this was not correct.  I could be mistaken.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 01:13:00 AM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html If this has already been posted, please excuse the duplication.

I had to chuckle at the paragraph that starts "Feeding the rumor mill........"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 01:16:17 AM
Hi Scandi!
I too heard about the computer being taken, but not a link via myspace. Could you please try to remember where you heard that? Thank you in advance! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 30, 2009, 01:19:48 AM
Hi All,
See everyone is here. I was told by Northern someone asked for me in regards to Kylar's wound.

If anyone needs the photo I have it.



Deenie, that was me.  I've got it now, many thanks for answering.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 30, 2009, 01:21:02 AM
Sister you said that so perfectly, can I just say ditto? Do you mind!


Tracygirl, you know I don't mind. I know we want answers, but so do a lot of other people.  I have really checked myself today on being so judgmental and have tried very hard to put myself in Melissa Baum's shoes.  I don't know if I could get out of my bed or my pajamas or even take a bath.  I would look at the book they were reading together, I would walk past her room, see maybe her shoes somewhere were maybe they weren't suppose to be, see her favorite drink in the frig -- and I think you would have to pick me up from the floor.  Yet, she has to try and be strong for her son because unfortunately, the world does not stop to respect our despair, our fear, or even our sorrow.
Sister, thanks for your remarks.  I echo your feelings.  I just hope MB does not read these posts.  It can be very discouraging and sometimes boderline mean.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on September 30, 2009, 01:25:08 AM
Hi TracyGirl and Gizzie ( had to say Hello personally) and Ms Bearly I miss you in Muse.
Um just wanted to share that even though I have not been in Lindsey's cage I do check on the News and such for anything that is ?? which is not a lot obviously. I am somewhat left the scene because I truly believe that what allowed me to engulf myself as within the forums of Scared Monkeys Was Caylee. Caylee was why I joined SM and her story ripped me in 1/2 and still does. But the Little Girl who totally I wanted to help and nothing in my Super Monkey Powers could fix - Was little Sandra Cantu.  It may sound strange and or even selfish but I truly think that Sandra's story broke me. So that is why you do not see me working nor being as diligent as I used to be as a Monkey in the Missing. Maybe its my own self defense mechanisms working .. I have no clue.

But for what it is today with Lindsey who I do very much care about. I want her home as much as anyone. I have been talking to DD and she and I have had some convo's about Kylar Kampens wound.I have his photo of his wound and have it dated as he put it on Mypace which was 7/8/09. He himself put the photo on myspace.
This last weekend I showed the photo to My Mom. She knows nothing of anything within Lindsey or what the photo was .. I asked her What do you see?
She said first - OMG! Who stitched that ?? 2nd out her mouth was those are Fisherman Knots and Third was that is Horrifying. Then I said Ma, its a 12 yr old Boy. She got all upset and Said Where was his Parents? I asked her What would cause this type of wound? She who grew up on a Farm and was practically a Farm hand for her parents .. born in 1944. She said That to me looks like a Wound caused by being Caught on Barbed Wire. She said who ever stitched that is not a Doctor by any means. Those are Fisherman Knots with basic Coat thread.

Then she said that poor kid to be caught in the Leg. She said that must have hurt like hell.
Now Monkeys it was said to be his inner arm. I thought possibly was his Calf .. my Ma took one look without " knowing anything" and said that is his Thigh - upper thigh towards the back of his leg with the shorts folded up.
This is the original photo - I have done nothing to it.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmyspace.jpg)

I flipped it and this is what it looks like - which I believe to be straight up not sideways.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmysp-2.jpg)

Sorry the photos are so big - But I think it needs to be so you can see the depth and the perception of the wound itself. The Date too is important. 7/8/09.








Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on September 30, 2009, 01:33:13 AM
Hi All,
See everyone is here. I was told by Northern someone asked for me in regards to Kylar's wound.

If anyone needs the photo I have it.
Deenie, that was me.  I've got it now, many thanks for answering.
I didn't know who asked Sister (( Hug)) I was working on the photo this last weekend myself and thought I would offer up what had transpired in views. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on September 30, 2009, 01:36:03 AM
Just thought I would Add and share
I pray for Lindsey's Safe Return
As I do for all the Kids .. I think of Adji Desir like the Sun Shines.
God Bless the Babies
K


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 30, 2009, 01:40:00 AM
 Hi Deenie (http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/boboloski_arolskay/wavehi.gif)

Do you think the photo was taken while he is sitting down, because after it's flipped, the grass is sideways as well?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 01:40:39 AM
Hi Scandi!
I too heard about the computer being taken, but not a link via myspace. Could you please try to remember where you heard that? Thank you in advance! ::MonkeyWink::

It is a A-1 possibility but not ready to be posted yet.  I believe the second LE allows this man's name to be linked to the POI status it will be posted.   I am not one of the Sleuthers on that but will say it is so good it could have been written by the FBI    ::MonkeyDevil::    xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 30, 2009, 01:43:19 AM
Just thought I would Add and share
I pray for Lindsey's Safe Return
As I do for all the Kids .. I think of Adji Desir like the Sun Shines.
God Bless the Babies
K


Deenie, I have Adji's grandmother's picture in my office.  Now that is a face of raw sorrow.  I'm going to start working on Cantu again soon, that's why I really came here from Blink's site.  I think there is much more there than meets the eye.
Thanks for bringing the pixs here again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 30, 2009, 01:53:15 AM
I love the following pic of Lindsey.

G'night all.....  Let's keep working together to help bring her home. 



(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/baum5.jpg)






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on September 30, 2009, 02:04:01 AM
sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.



Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Here are MY thoughts on Melissa B. No matter what you say, she has not acted "in the norm" since day one. I could understand that she may not want to come on any web site, what I cannot understand is why she has not been out banging on doors, following up on leads, shouting from the rooftops "where is my child". Sitting on her porch waiting for Lindsey will not help to get her home. The timelines are rediculous at best. I don't know if it is because the versions have never come from the mother herself. Like you yourself have stated, things change as they travel from one person to the next. Then there are all of the unanswered questions that are still left unanswered. "Who was the witness or witnesses that supposedly spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night?" Why is that such a secret and still remains a secret after 3 months? I could go on and on and on. There are days that Melissa B and her actions or LACK THERE OF just cause me to think "what the heck". Then I have my days when I feel sick for Melissa B. I cannot imagine for one second what it would be like to be in her shoes right now. Last week-end especially. The waiting and wondering must have been total hell! I cannot speak for anyone else, but I go from one extreme to the other with regards to my feelings on Melissa B. There are days that I am suspicious of her and there are days that my heart hurts for her. Just the facts Mam!

I thought MB was told by LE to stay by the phone in case Lindsey tried to contact her.

I thought mlachester was the one who spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night.
I thought mlachester was the one who sent Josh home.
I thought mlachester was the one who talked about the white car.
I thought mlachester worked at the Beehive.
I thought mlachester was the one who said that Lindsey had problems with Josh.
I thought mlachester was the one who said she used to talk to Lindsey when she had trouble.
I think mlachester knows a lot about a lot of things.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 02:09:57 AM
sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.



Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Here are MY thoughts on Melissa B. No matter what you say, she has not acted "in the norm" since day one. I could understand that she may not want to come on any web site, what I cannot understand is why she has not been out banging on doors, following up on leads, shouting from the rooftops "where is my child". Sitting on her porch waiting for Lindsey will not help to get her home. The timelines are rediculous at best. I don't know if it is because the versions have never come from the mother herself. Like you yourself have stated, things change as they travel from one person to the next. Then there are all of the unanswered questions that are still left unanswered. "Who was the witness or witnesses that supposedly spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night?" Why is that such a secret and still remains a secret after 3 months? I could go on and on and on. There are days that Melissa B and her actions or LACK THERE OF just cause me to think "what the heck". Then I have my days when I feel sick for Melissa B. I cannot imagine for one second what it would be like to be in her shoes right now. Last week-end especially. The waiting and wondering must have been total hell! I cannot speak for anyone else, but I go from one extreme to the other with regards to my feelings on Melissa B. There are days that I am suspicious of her and there are days that my heart hurts for her. Just the facts Mam!

I thought MB was told by LE to stay by the phone in case Lindsey tried to contact her.

I thought mlachester was the one who spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night.
I thought mlachester was the one who sent Josh home.
I thought mlachester was the one who talked about the white car.
I thought mlachester worked at the Beehive.
I thought mlachester was the one who said that Lindsey had problems with Josh.
I thought mlachester was the one who said she used to talk to Lindsey when she had trouble.
I think mlachester knows a lot about a lot of things.



Where is she? She was all over this case in the beginning, now nothing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 02:14:31 AM
Hi Scandi!
I too heard about the computer being taken, but not a link via myspace. Could you please try to remember where you heard that? Thank you in advance! ::MonkeyWink::

It is a A-1 possibility but not ready to be posted yet.  I believe the second LE allows this man's name to be linked to the POI status it will be posted.   I am not one of the Sleuthers on that but will say it is so good it could have been written by the FBI    ::MonkeyDevil::    xox

Hi Scandi,
According to this article in todays paper, he is now a POI. I still have not seen anything linking his computer to Lindsey's MS. Thanks Again!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on September 30, 2009, 02:59:03 AM
Just thought I would Add and share
I pray for Lindsey's Safe Return
As I do for all the Kids .. I think of Adji Desir like the Sun Shines.
God Bless the Babies
K


Deenie, I have Adji's grandmother's picture in my office.  Now that is a face of raw sorrow.  I'm going to start working on Cantu again soon, that's why I really came here from Blink's site.  I think there is much more there than meets the eye.
Thanks for bringing the pixs here again.
Sister I think of Adji All the time and I am not his family, nor his Mom obviously.  He is just stuck in my Heart and was from the moment I saw his photo ..and I think of him all the time. My Prayers are with him and All I can wish is for him is Peace where ever he is. He has been gone for so long " I HAVE HOPE" I do.  What concerns me is if he is found - Who will he be now. This case with Lindsey is not too different than with Adji -

How can a child go poof without any information. All the forensic teams, K-9's, police etc in a small area -so many volunteers who have looked  ..without any leads .. its unfathomable that 
a child can just disappear without any traces .. at all.
Seems Adji and Lindsey have this in Common which is incredibly sad and bewildering.
With Adji's case there is so little to go on. So very little.

With Lindsey you have known " People" who had Mom's consent to be with, who were acting as adult guardian of her within her last day known.. all day. And yet no one can figure out the time line still to this day ... after Lindsey left the Kampen's house.

Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out someone is lying about the events that unfolded that early evening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 03:04:58 AM
Hi Scandi!
I too heard about the computer being taken, but not a link via myspace. Could you please try to remember where you heard that? Thank you in advance! ::MonkeyWink::

It is a A-1 possibility but not ready to be posted yet.  I believe the second LE allows this man's name to be linked to the POI status it will be posted.   I am not one of the Sleuthers on that but will say it is so good it could have been written by the FBI    ::MonkeyDevil::    xox

Hi Scandi,
According to this article in todays paper, he is now a POI. I still have not seen anything linking his computer to Lindsey's MS. Thanks Again!

I think his name has to be in a link to start openly investigating him.  The statement about the computer is on DD's site and here it is to the right page.  xox:

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html?sid=9ad0eead51e9c074471a01bd245cb688 (http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html?sid=9ad0eead51e9c074471a01bd245cb688)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 03:08:32 AM
sister,,, mb tries to avoid these sites at all costs but I will tell what you said and thank you for that


I can’t believe that others of you are down nosing MB because she didn't update her entire myspace page! she has every right to want to meet a decent man after her now ex did what he did and she was doing that BEFORE Lindsey went missing! if anyone has a myspace page then you know the each section is in a different box and when she edited the part adding in about Lindsey she probably just missed the other or was distracted or whatever. cant y'all focus on what really matters.


and yes I will say this because I can and because we have even said it out loud in the real world,,,,,,, IF mb was going to get rid of one of her children,,,, WHICH SHE WOULD NEVER DO,,,,based on everything you have written and read about jb, do you REALLY think that LB would of been the choice?!?! come on people, I know you all have good intentions, even when you do cut people apart, but cant we refrain from suggesting MB did something.

MB may have some hours during the day without JB around because he is in school and she is still on leave from work,, from a place she has been for 2 1/2 years for whomever suggested she was unemployed,  but that doesn't exactly count as me time. You dint see what she does day to day. she finds all sorts of things to keep herself busy so she doesn't sit there and cry. her stress level is through the roof and the suggested ideas for me time would be doing something like getting a massage, or go to the gym, or go out to lunch with a friend. however she doesn't do anything like that because she fears the second that she does and becomes unavailable will be the time that something major happens.  and then on top of it I am sure everyone would rip her because she was out doing something for herself instead of sitting at home by the phone. she just cant win for othing.


It seems no matter what she does, someone is gonna rip her action apart. I cant tell you why she doesn't have a PR person except that I do know she feels the people of importance, such as the LE, knows that they need to and ask her questions if they come up.

I dont know jenn-o, I know MB is grateful she is helping with the search center via LRC. I know MB is grateful she has KK to lean on day in and day out since I am not available, her family is not available, and KK lives blocks away and doesn't work outside the home and has the time she can spend with MB. It doesn't matter what I or anyone thinks of KK, she is helping mb get though this. as for me wanting to get KK away from mb, that was in regards to a morning I was going over to speak to MB and it was not a conversation in which KK was to be a part of. I also didn't think the relationship between KK and MB was a healthy one but MB explained to me why and I will support it.  So yes, I advise MB on what I think but it certainly doesn’t mean she is going to do it.



Also what the heck is up with the hidden something in this forum that makes the pop up blockers not block the pop ups!


Here are MY thoughts on Melissa B. No matter what you say, she has not acted "in the norm" since day one. I could understand that she may not want to come on any web site, what I cannot understand is why she has not been out banging on doors, following up on leads, shouting from the rooftops "where is my child". Sitting on her porch waiting for Lindsey will not help to get her home. The timelines are rediculous at best. I don't know if it is because the versions have never come from the mother herself. Like you yourself have stated, things change as they travel from one person to the next. Then there are all of the unanswered questions that are still left unanswered. "Who was the witness or witnesses that supposedly spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night?" Why is that such a secret and still remains a secret after 3 months? I could go on and on and on. There are days that Melissa B and her actions or LACK THERE OF just cause me to think "what the heck". Then I have my days when I feel sick for Melissa B. I cannot imagine for one second what it would be like to be in her shoes right now. Last week-end especially. The waiting and wondering must have been total hell! I cannot speak for anyone else, but I go from one extreme to the other with regards to my feelings on Melissa B. There are days that I am suspicious of her and there are days that my heart hurts for her. Just the facts Mam!

I thought MB was told by LE to stay by the phone in case Lindsey tried to contact her.

I thought mlachester was the one who spotted Lindsey on her walk home that night.
I thought mlachester was the one who sent Josh home.
I thought mlachester was the one who talked about the white car.
I thought mlachester worked at the Beehive.
I thought mlachester was the one who said that Lindsey had problems with Josh.
I thought mlachester was the one who said she used to talk to Lindsey when she had trouble.
I think mlachester knows a lot about a lot of things.



Where is she? She was all over this case in the beginning, now nothing.

Hi,  I've thought of posting a comment to her on the the King5 Comment section of the next article they do.  Ask her what else Lindsey said and what days or times it happened when she saw the car and would get scared.  xox  That would surprise her, eh?  LOLOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 03:19:56 AM
Hi Scandi,
I wish that you would! I heard that she moved from McCleary a while ago, but have no idea where. I have also been trying to remember all day where I might have read that the whole white car theory was discredited? I mean discredited a month or so ago. I could be wrong. Do you remember anything about that. Sometimes there is so much info that you only remember bits and pieces. Then there is my feeble brain, lol!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 03:23:36 AM
Just thought I would Add and share
I pray for Lindsey's Safe Return
As I do for all the Kids .. I think of Adji Desir like the Sun Shines.
God Bless the Babies
K


Deenie, I have Adji's grandmother's picture in my office.  Now that is a face of raw sorrow.  I'm going to start working on Cantu again soon, that's why I really came here from Blink's site.  I think there is much more there than meets the eye.
Thanks for bringing the pixs here again.
Sister I think of Adji All the time and I am not his family, nor his Mom obviously.  He is just stuck in my Heart and was from the moment I saw his photo ..and I think of him all the time. My Prayers are with him and All I can wish is for him is Peace where ever he is. He has been gone for so long " I HAVE HOPE" I do.  What concerns me is if he is found - Who will he be now. This case with Lindsey is not too different than with Adji -

How can a child go poof without any information. All the forensic teams, K-9's, police etc in a small area -so many volunteers who have looked  ..without any leads .. its unfathomable that 
a child can just disappear without any traces .. at all.
Seems Adji and Lindsey have this in Common which is incredibly sad and bewildering.
With Adji's case there is so little to go on. So very little.

With Lindsey you have known " People" who had Mom's consent to be with, who were acting as adult guardian of her within her last day known.. all day. And yet no one can figure out the time line still to this day ... after Lindsey left the Kampen's house.

Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out someone is lying about the events that unfolded that early evening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I too have followed Adji's case. What a tragedy! I keep checking to see if there is any news in the media, but have not seen anything new in a while. Then there is Amber Dubois. This one is very close to home and to my heart. You would think that with all of the modern technology that the Government has within the CIA et all, that some of this technology could be used to locate missing children.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 04:16:54 AM
Hi Scandi,
I wish that you would! I heard that she moved from McCleary a while ago, but have no idea where. I have also been trying to remember all day where I might have read that the whole white car theory was discredited? I mean discredited a month or so ago. I could be wrong. Do you remember anything about that. Sometimes there is so much info that you only remember bits and pieces. Then there is my feeble brain, lol!  ::MonkeyWaa::

I got you message trying to find me.  I waited around but guess you did not see me.  Was there something?

were you going to ask me about the white car?

if so there are a lot of things been said about a white car. Its a long story how it went from one thing to 20 other things but I can tell you right now it was not dale's car. Here is how I know. 

One of the ONLY people to actually see the white car know Dale very well and had it been him, they would have known it was him.  Rather they described it as a totally different white kind of car and it was not the car their dale drives.  His car would be easy to tell it is nothing like the  one seen.

maryilyn never really knew about the white car she later said she had "heard" about it.  Another one of the white car stories was a girl in elma who thought a white vehicle might have followed but did not know if it were a car or a truck.  Another person had a white car follow her, she was an adult and supposedly sat with a sketch artist. 

I can try to find out more.  but at this time is all I can remember other than a lot of made up other stories. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 30, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
I love the following pic of Lindsey.

G'night all.....  Let's keep working together to help bring her home. 



(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/baum5.jpg)


I have not been able to keep up with this case, other than popping in and out to check up on you guys, lol....BUT, where are the 'long fingernails' that her Mom speaks of in a video report where she states Lindsey would have fought back....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 30, 2009, 08:56:45 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6kkH4xekiNo/SnTPBSAcnFI/AAAAAAAAJ_I/AzuXc4Y5qt0/s400/lindsey3.jpg)
(http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/D_IMAGE.1223cc986ef.93.88.fa.d0.6d5d40.jpg)
(http://media.komonews.com/images/090711_lindsey_baum.jpg)
where are the fingernails?

7/2 Melissa Baum says Lindsey would put up a fight.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/?action=view&current=001-4.flv


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 30, 2009, 09:06:58 AM
Nut - good catch on the fingernails.  They certainly dont look long enough to hold off an abducter.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 09:34:10 AM
wow, that stitch job on kk's son is really bad.  i think i remember reading that when it happened she said it was a bad stitch job because of the type of wound. i think she said the doctor called it a "fillet" or something...ouch..

of course, kids get hurt and stuff, but given the fact that lb was at the home of kk right before she disappeared, i would think that anyone in that home, or anyone who was with lb the day she went missing that suddenly has a wound on them should be questioned...i feel like thats one of the first things police look for


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 09:47:21 AM
Nut - good catch on the fingernails.  They certainly dont look long enough to hold off an abducter.
  Good Morning Everyone.  I sure don't see long fingernails either  ::MonkeyEek::  But what I'm concerned about is what Deenie was saying about the pic of Kara's son and the stitches. I have seen that picture several times, but I believe Deenie's mom is right, that is a leg, I never noticed that before, but now it sure looks like a leg and shorts  ::MonkeyEek:: Who in the world did that stitching job, I could have done better  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 09:48:01 AM
wow, that stitch job on kk's son is really bad.  i think i remember reading that when it happened she said it was a bad stitch job because of the type of wound. i think she said the doctor called it a "fillet" or something...ouch..

of course, kids get hurt and stuff, but given the fact that lb was at the home of kk right before she disappeared, i would think that anyone in that home, or anyone who was with lb the day she went missing that suddenly has a wound on them should be questioned...i feel like thats one of the first things police look for
  A doctor stitched that up  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 30, 2009, 09:54:09 AM
none of those photo's were taken the weeks before she disappeared and her nails had grown, she would go through phases

i will look at SK's arm to see if there is a scar from that wound


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 09:58:24 AM
none of those photo's were taken the weeks before she disappeared and her nails had grown, she would go through phases

i will look at SK's arm to see if there is a scar from that wound

thank you melissa...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 10:04:38 AM
Hi Scandi,
I wish that you would! I heard that she moved from McCleary a while ago, but have no idea where. I have also been trying to remember all day where I might have read that the whole white car theory was discredited? I mean discredited a month or so ago. I could be wrong. Do you remember anything about that. Sometimes there is so much info that you only remember bits and pieces. Then there is my feeble brain, lol!  ::MonkeyWaa::

Hi Sebastian,  OK, in the next article on Lindsey I will write to her.  It can't hurt anything and maybe she'll read it and answer back.  I have read nothing new about what she said or the white car since the first week of July or so when we originally read it. xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 10:17:37 AM
Hi All,
See everyone is here. I was told by Northern someone asked for me in regards to Kylar's wound.

If anyone needs the photo I have it.
Deenie, that was me.  I've got it now, many thanks for answering.
I didn't know who asked Sister (( Hug)) I was working on the photo this last weekend myself and thought I would offer up what had transpired in views. 


Those photos of that would are disgusting.  Why wasn't that child taken to a doctor?   How old is this boy? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 10:18:18 AM
Hi All,
See everyone is here. I was told by Northern someone asked for me in regards to Kylar's wound.

If anyone needs the photo I have it.
Deenie, that was me.  I've got it now, many thanks for answering.
I didn't know who asked Sister (( Hug)) I was working on the photo this last weekend myself and thought I would offer up what had transpired in views. 


Those photos of that wound are disgusting.  Why wasn't that child taken to a doctor?   How old is this boy? 

self edit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 10:26:58 AM
Hi TracyGirl and Gizzie ( had to say Hello personally) and Ms Bearly I miss you in Muse.
Um just wanted to share that even though I have not been in Lindsey's cage I do check on the News and such for anything that is ?? which is not a lot obviously. I am somewhat left the scene because I truly believe that what allowed me to engulf myself as within the forums of Scared Monkeys Was Caylee. Caylee was why I joined SM and her story ripped me in 1/2 and still does. But the Little Girl who totally I wanted to help and nothing in my Super Monkey Powers could fix - Was little Sandra Cantu.  It may sound strange and or even selfish but I truly think that Sandra's story broke me. So that is why you do not see me working nor being as diligent as I used to be as a Monkey in the Missing. Maybe its my own self defense mechanisms working .. I have no clue.

But for what it is today with Lindsey who I do very much care about. I want her home as much as anyone. I have been talking to DD and she and I have had some convo's about Kylar Kampens wound.I have his photo of his wound and have it dated as he put it on Mypace which was 7/8/09. He himself put the photo on myspace.
This last weekend I showed the photo to My Mom. She knows nothing of anything within Lindsey or what the photo was .. I asked her What do you see?
She said first - OMG! Who stitched that ?? 2nd out her mouth was those are Fisherman Knots and Third was that is Horrifying. Then I said Ma, its a 12 yr old Boy. She got all upset and Said Where was his Parents? I asked her What would cause this type of wound? She who grew up on a Farm and was practically a Farm hand for her parents .. born in 1944. She said That to me looks like a Wound caused by being Caught on Barbed Wire. She said who ever stitched that is not a Doctor by any means. Those are Fisherman Knots with basic Coat thread.

Then she said that poor kid to be caught in the Leg. She said that must have hurt like hell.
Now Monkeys it was said to be his inner arm. I thought possibly was his Calf .. my Ma took one look without " knowing anything" and said that is his Thigh - upper thigh towards the back of his leg with the shorts folded up.
This is the original photo - I have done nothing to it.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmyspace.jpg)

I flipped it and this is what it looks like - which I believe to be straight up not sideways.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmysp-2.jpg)

Sorry the photos are so big - But I think it needs to be so you can see the depth and the perception of the wound itself. The Date too is important. 7/8/09.


Thanks Deenie.  I was looking for those pictures a while back.  As far as I can determine Shorty's myspace no longer exists.

Janet

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Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1754 on: July 09, 2009, 12:24:47 AM »


OMG OUCH .....................

 ::MonkeyEek::  damn I know this Hurt.

Shorty's new Pic on his Myspace  - I don't know about you ..but that looks likes a home stitch job ..  That is a deep wound.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820
 
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM »


Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870836;topicseen#msg870836



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 10:35:57 AM
That wound is not even sutured closed.  I can not believe that a doctor did those stitches.  In my mind, no way.  I still want to know how old this child is?>?>?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 10:47:34 AM
That wound is not even sutured closed.  I can not believe that a doctor did those stitches.  In my mind, no way.  I still want to know how old this child is?>?>?

i think i remember that he is 13 but im not positive.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 10:52:23 AM

Thanks Deenie.  I was looking for those pictures a while back.  As far as I can determine Shorty's myspace no longer exists.

Janet

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Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1754 on: July 09, 2009, 12:24:47 AM »


OMG OUCH .....................

 ::MonkeyEek::  damn I know this Hurt.

Shorty's new Pic on his Myspace  - I don't know about you ..but that looks likes a home stitch job ..  That is a deep wound.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM »


Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870836;topicseen#msg870836




KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1794 on: July 09, 2009, 03:00:15 AM »


I know it looks like a crappy job but I was pleased considering how much the skin had retracted since it was just the top layer of skin. I remember the doctor saying it wouldn't look great but followed up with a "But that is what happens with these types of cuts because its like trying to sew toilet paper."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871041;topicseen#msg871041


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 11:04:28 AM
That wound is not even sutured closed.  I can not believe that a doctor did those stitches.  In my mind, no way.  I still want to know how old this child is?>?>?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046


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KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1580 on: July 07, 2009, 10:52:40 PM »


Is there a reason Josh did not hang out with your son(or did he?)because they are about the same age?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868973#msg868973


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1600 on: July 08, 2009, 01:36:01 AM »


Two very different groups I guess you'd say. Every now and again they'd hang out for a few if everyone else they knew was doing something else but my son is a little skater/ biker that hangs out with kids usually who enjoy the same. Josh is more the fishing, playing video games type of kid.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869256;topicseen#msg869256




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 11:08:48 AM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit  and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16
Janet, I am still trying to find more, but the sighting was not that night, but Saturday.  I just cannot find it.  I see many posts of the LE searching the ORV park and I don't think LE would spend resources out there unless they gave it some credibility.  By the way, do you think it is possible someone else sent you that message from HO other than HO?  I walked that path HO suggested and determined it was not a likely escape route.  More likely only a dirt bike could maneuver it. Someone else was recently looking around at a spot near where another road came up from the left.  I believe it went down to N. Summit RD(not sure).  Two men on bikes spent some time looking around.  Maybe from one of the search parties, I don't know. I am not saying it is not what HO seen or his dogs followed, but I find it hard to believe she went up that trail that night or probably at any other time. JMO shortcake

In all probability ... the search of the ORV park was the result of a tip .. a Lindsey sighting.  Jim Mullins Creek was searched six times.  Why?  KONA's properties were search this weekend.  Why?

I have no reason to believe it was not Harry Oakes who responding to my email.  My suggestion went to his email address and ... was received in a relatively short period of time.  The signing of his name reflected that in correspondence from Oakes that KONAMOCHA shared on the forum.

Shortcake ...I have no way of knowing if Harry Oakes is credible but ... the way I interpret Oakes' confusing email is that a deceased Lindsey was taken in an open vehicle along Beck Street.  I would assume that a death scent would not have been easily detected by the dog/s if Lindsey had been in an enclosed vehicle.

I could be wrong with my take but ... prior to this email from Harry Oakes ... I was unaware that Oakes had conducted a search on Beck Street ... a street that could be easily accesed from Lindsey's home via First.

Janet
Janet, let me make one more stab and then I will quit beating this mule.  The entrance to the trail(old road) is in front of a house that has a very large black dog and lets you know he /she means business.  The trail is gated and locked.  There is a path qround the gate, but probably only accessible by a dirt bike.  A couple hundred feet in is a small alder across the trail(probablely blowened down last wind storm).  I had to almost crawl to get past.  Ferns as tall a you and devil's clubs abound.  Ten feet off the trail you cannot see it is so thick.  If HO tracked up there a short time after Lindsey went missing, He would have noticed if someone left that trail and went out into the woods.  After all dogs track and his job is to be on the lookout for any clues.  Not a place where a 10 year would visit for sure.  I walked up past a road that came in from the left and up a little more to what looked like an old spur trailing off to the left.  That was enough for me.  No one could get up that trail without the dog alerting the neighborhood, and I don't think many dirt bikes have lights. Now it is time for me to quit beating this mule and move on.  I tend to discount HO findings.  JMO shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
i wanted to bump the part of my previous post i brought over which was written by shortcake but it wouldnt let me type after the quote..

shortcake-i know you said that you dont give much credibility to ho's dog report after walking through the area... i am still wondering what the gate looked like?  im wondering if its possible for someone to get injured while walking back there? just wondering


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 11:22:25 AM
i wanted to bump the part of my previous post i brought over which was written by shortcake but it wouldnt let me type after the quote..

shortcake-i know you said that you dont give much credibility to ho's dog report after walking through the area... i am still wondering what the gate looked like?  im wondering if its possible for someone to get injured while walking back there? just wondering

also-i wanted to clarify that i am not directing this towards kk son, kids get hurt all the time, i cant tell you how many times i had terrible cuts and bruises from falling down, playing sports, bike riding..etc.. looking at the pic of kk's sons cut just made me think of this..i was just wondering if we should be looking for anyone that could have an injury on them or could have needed medical attention after lb went missing, including defensive wounds and stuff like that... sorry if i made it seem like i was focusing on kk's son


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 11:37:34 AM
Melissa M

Why has the family friend who intervened and the witnesses been identified after three months.  What the silence by LE?  Why the silence from McCleary residence?  Something is not right.  The names should at least have leaked to the forums by now.  IMO.

Witnesses connected with other missing person cases are seen and heard all over the talk show circuit.

The existence and credibility of these witnesses in regards to the timing of the sightings that place Lindsey at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM is very significant.  The implication is that Kara Kampen and Scott Williams are being truthful when they claim that Lindsey left their residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 11:55:39 AM
Hi Scandi,
I found the information FINALLY! KK herself debunked the white car theory.

Wasn't there a post about a white car that the driver was trying to get girl(s) to get in ?
McCleary is close to two major highways and then there is the woods, the woods where there was an arson.
I think the answer is going to come from persons in McCleary who are observant and get suspicious about the persons nearest them. And the kids. I've posted before about kids knowing who gets their skin crawling
or what adults or older persons who get too friendly in a wierd way. Who is willing to buy the booze for the kids to get near them ? Our drinking age here in Canada is 18. It's happened here, SO's being very helpful, then they abuse the girls after they get them drunk. In the city it's at some run
down shack of a house, in the rural areas it's at bush parties.
..
Another thing I read was that Lindsey missed school because of " stress" .
She's ten, what kind of stress could a girl that age have at school where she didn't want to go there ?


MLaChester posted that information regarding a car. No report to the police as far as we've been told or passed on to residents that this actually happened at any time. Happy to ask again though to double check.

Stress was - I imagine a combination of things - I posted previously she was harassed at school by some other girls daily called horrible names and joked about topped with missing her dad I can't imagine school being anything but stressful for her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 30, 2009, 12:17:35 PM
i wanted to bump the part of my previous post i brought over which was written by shortcake but it wouldnt let me type after the quote..

shortcake-i know you said that you dont give much credibility to ho's dog report after walking through the area... i am still wondering what the gate looked like?  im wondering if its possible for someone to get injured while walking back there? just wondering
Sunshine- The gate is like several other gates in the area that stop vehicles from using them.  It is a railroad rail about 3 feet off of the ground that comes together in the middle and is locked.  It can be unlocked and swung open during hunting season.  Quads and dirt bikes can get around most of these, but keep out larger vehicles.  I noticed nothing that would cause a wound like that. Lots of blackberry vines, but I it dosen't appear to be brier wound.  Maybe, but I would think it would have a lot of scratches.  Only other thing that could possiblely do damage like that is what I call "devil's club".  It is a large, tall plant with large spikes on it. I would rather walk through a brier patch than a cluster of "devil's club".  They kind of grow in clusters.  I saw many clusters growing on my walk.  I should think a brush with one of them would leave a mean gash.  I only wish I knew the proper name for this plant.  I wish I could describe what they look like real close up, but I wouldn't go near them even as a child.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 12:18:32 PM
Was it the same girls that caused her so much stress that she went swimming with the last day she was seen?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 12:22:35 PM
sebastian

I may be alone on this forum in my contentions but ... so be it.

Unless otherwise revealed ... I believe that Marilyn LaChester an advocate for Lindsey.  I applaud her going out on a limb.

The reason that I am a believer in Marilyn LaChester's is that her accounts encompassing the abuse of Lindsey Baum by both Melissa and Josh involves both LE and CPS.  I reason ... if she was going to fabricate ... I do not believe she would use sources in those fabrications that had the ability to dispute her words.  Also ... it must be remembered that Marily LaChester did not hide behind a nic when she submitted her comments in response to the KING5 article ... she identified herself.

Janet

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MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 30, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Melissa M

Why has the family friend who intervened and the witnesses been identified after three months.  What the silence by LE?  Why the silence from McCleary residence?  Something is not right.  The names should at least have leaked to the forums by now.  IMO.

Witnesses connected with other missing person cases are seen and heard all over the talk show circuit.

The existence and credibility of these witnesses in regards to the timing of the sightings that place Lindsey at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM is very significant.  The implication is that Kara Kampen and Scott Williams are being truthful when they claim that Lindsey left their residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM.

Janet



I cant answer that for you since I am not with LE but they are not secret. The 9 30 witness is mb's coworker, the same one who broke up the arguement.... again i havent met her and i dont recall her name except i think it starts with an R.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 30, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
and just fyi, i have heard stories about crazy marilyn long before lindsey went missing. and not from mb! i dont know her personally but when so many stories come from so many people.............


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 12:28:33 PM
sebastian

I may be alone on this forum in my contentions but ... so be it.

Unless otherwise revealed ... I believe that Marilyn LaChester an advocate for Lindsey.  I applaud her going out on a limb.

The reason that I am a believer in Marilyn LaChester's is that her accounts encompassing the abuse of Lindsey Baum by both Melissa and Josh involves both LE and CPS.  I reason ... if she was going to fabricate ... I do not believe she would use sources in those fabrications that had the ability to dispute her words.  Also ... it must be remembered that Marily LaChester did not hide behind a nic when she submitted her comments in response to the KING5 article ... she identified herself.

Janet

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MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor




Then why did she later retract and say she doesn't know if reports were ever filed?  Makes no sense to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 12:32:02 PM
Hi Tamikosmom,
As far as ML, I was just trying to remember who debunked the white car theory, not who put it out there. Many people all over the net keep going on and on about that white car and how it has played into the current POI.  I would like to know where ML went.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 12:34:36 PM
Then there are the words of mamahead, La Chester's friend,  Lindsey and Melissa M ... words that imply that there were troubling underlying dynamics within the Baum household.

Janet

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mamahead:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


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Melissa McCann



I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect.. I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 12:34:58 PM
Hi Tamikosmom,
As far as ML, I was just trying to remember who debunked the white car theory, not who put it out there. Many people all over the net keep going on and on about that white car and how it has played into the current POI.  I would like to know where ML went. Also, how do I highlight things so that when I bring them over they do not run together? Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 12:38:43 PM
sebastian

I may be alone on this forum in my contentions but ... so be it.

Unless otherwise revealed ... I believe that Marilyn LaChester an advocate for Lindsey.  I applaud her going out on a limb.

The reason that I am a believer in Marilyn LaChester's is that her accounts encompassing the abuse of Lindsey Baum by both Melissa and Josh involves both LE and CPS.  I reason ... if she was going to fabricate ... I do not believe she would use sources in those fabrications that had the ability to dispute her words.  Also ... it must be remembered that Marily LaChester did not hide behind a nic when she submitted her comments in response to the KING5 article ... she identified herself.

Janet

++++++

<snipped>



Then why did she later retract and say she doesn't know if reports were ever filed?  Makes no sense to me.

AZSunny ... I did state in my post ... "Unless otherwise revealed ..."

I have never read these words of Marilyn LaChester ... words that retract what she previously posted.  Do you have a source.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 12:41:41 PM
Hi Tamikosmom,
As far as ML, I was just trying to remember who debunked the white car theory, not who put it out there. Many people all over the net keep going on and on about that white car and how it has played into the current POI.  I would like to know where ML went. Also, how do I highlight things so that when I bring them over they do not run together? Thank you!

sebastian

I apologize.  I am off right now.  Maybe another Monkey could assist you.  I will be back later on the forum this afternoon.

Janet
9:45 AM PT




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 12:44:51 PM
sebastian

I may be alone on this forum in my contentions but ... so be it.

Unless otherwise revealed ... I believe that Marilyn LaChester an advocate for Lindsey.  I applaud her going out on a limb.

The reason that I am a believer in Marilyn LaChester's is that her accounts encompassing the abuse of Lindsey Baum by both Melissa and Josh involves both LE and CPS.  I reason ... if she was going to fabricate ... I do not believe she would use sources in those fabrications that had the ability to dispute her words.  Also ... it must be remembered that Marily LaChester did not hide behind a nic when she submitted her comments in response to the KING5 article ... she identified herself.

Janet

++++++

<snipped>



Then why did she later retract and say she doesn't know if reports were ever filed?  Makes no sense to me.

AZSunny ... I did state in my post ... "Unless otherwise revealed ..."

I have never read these words of Marilyn LaChester ... words that retract what she previously posted.  Do you have a source.

Janet

No Janet, no source, but then I don't save everything like you do.  I just read, and move on generally.  Sorry.   She was quoted as saying she was never sure if they actually took a report, even though she called them. You can of course, believe what you wish. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
Goodmorning everyone. Thank you MM for your posts, I appreciate your doing so. Deenie! sweet Deenie, don't explain to us, it is hard sometimes we understand. Sandra's last image of skipping, carefree, innocense has forever changed many people as we face the evil amoung us. Hugs to you...

That cut gives me the willies everytime I see it. Seems like they would have used a simple butterfly bandage or that glue, yikes! Falling off of a loft, that has to hurt! Good thing he didn't break his neck. A loft is usually at least 7ft off the ground, can be higher but I think it that is the norm? He had to of fallen over a rail too, flipped over probably, fall 7 ft, must have hit a table to knock off a pic, land on the shattered glass, had to turn on broken glass to get the curved cut, I would think, and all that happened was a cut on the arm. That boy is lucky! Hopefully they don't ever again place the boy who tends to sleep walk on the loft ever again! 

The last witness was the person that worked with MB? The same person? interesting. Wonder if she recalls seeing anyone else around. didn't the mayor also say he thinks he saw her? Maybe they don't use that because he is not completely sure. Didn't he say something about other kids being out? Is this true? Was there other kids around that night?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 01:12:42 PM
Goodmorning everyone. Thank you MM for your posts, I appreciate your doing so. Deenie! sweet Deenie, don't explain to us, it is hard sometimes we understand. Sandra's last image of skipping, carefree, innocense has forever changed many people as we face the evil amoung us. Hugs to you...

That cut gives me the willies everytime I see it. Seems like they would have used a simple butterfly bandage or that glue, yikes! Falling off of a loft, that has to hurt! Good thing he didn't break his neck. A loft is usually at least 7ft off the ground, can be higher but I think it that is the norm? He had to of fallen over a rail too, flipped over probably, fall 7 ft, must have hit a table to knock off a pic, land on the shattered glass, had to turn on broken glass to get the curved cut, I would think, and all that happened was a cut on the arm. That boy is lucky! Hopefully they don't ever again place the boy who tends to sleep walk on the loft ever again! 

The last witness was the person that worked with MB? The same person? interesting. Wonder if she recalls seeing anyone else around. didn't the mayor also say he thinks he saw her? Maybe they don't use that because he is not completely sure. Didn't he say something about other kids being out? Is this true? Was there other kids around that night?

Tracygirl,  I don't think the Mayor said he thought he saw her.  I believe he said that there were children out that night, but as hard as he has tried to remember, he can not remember seeing Lindsy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 01:19:28 PM
But he saw other kids? He is the mayor of a small town, he must know who at least some of the kids were he saw. I sort of imagined she was walking alone with no one else around.

MM do you know if other kids were around that evening and who they are? Are they friends of Lindsey? Had you heard this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 30, 2009, 01:22:46 PM
But he saw other kids? He is the mayor of a small town, he must know who at least some of the kids were he saw. I sort of imagined she was walking alone with no one else around.

MM do you know if other kids were around that evening and who they are? Are they friends of Lindsey? Had you heard this?

Hi Tracygirl,
I too have had this image all along that Lindsey was walking alone and there was not anyone else around. If there were other kids out, you would think that there would be other witnesses.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Jademoff on September 30, 2009, 01:32:27 PM

Hi Scandi  We all assumed the ORV caretaker was arrested and sent back to Wisconsin(I think) because of an outstanding warrant.  Three sources have told me they have seen him in the last three weeks.  I believe them.  They are reliable.  So I think Montesano arrested someone fitting the description of the caretaker and everyone jumped to conclusions.  Easy to do here?  Or maybe he came back??  I do believe him to be in the McCleary area.  Now he may have nothing to do with this at all, but I have talked to this caretaker person early on and if I ever see him again I will tell him exactly how he made me feel.  Either he is a nut or he may know something.  Probably a nut and harmless.  I don't know.  Just know the LE searched for a couple of days out at the park and the tip was Lindsey in a pink floral bathing suit.  I kinda dismissed the incident because of the bathing suit sighting.  Who thought she may have been wearing a bathing suit.  Now it makes me wonder.  Maybe someone(like DD) can investigate in more depth and put my mind at ease and clear this guy.  Just asking questions, not accusing.  shortcake

The caretaker?  Another possible person of interest.  Thanks Shortcake.

My unpopular position with many on this forum regarding the possible implication of  Josh Baum ... as a person of interest in the the process of elimination ... did sway for a period of time this weekend but ... I have regained my balance.

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey Baum's disappearance:

1.  Following the witness sighting at 5th and Maple ... within a very short distance from home ... is it possible that an impulsive action by someone close to Lindsey unintentionally ... in the act of wrongdoing ... caused her death?

- Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and there met with foul play?
- Did Lindsey make it home and it was there that something went terribly wrong?

2.  In a sincere attempt to protect a loved one  ... is it possible assistance outside the family to cover up was requested and provided?

3.  Considering there have been no arrests ... could there be underlying legal issues  encompassing the interrogation of an underage person of interest when there is no substantiating evidence that implies the existence of a felony? 

Janet


Caretaker of McCleary? Is he an old man with glasses/sunglasses and wear an orange vest and drive a small pickup? If so, he's harmless, he's one of the sweetest people I've ever met. He likes to joke and he's always in high spirits


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
But he saw other kids? He is the mayor of a small town, he must know who at least some of the kids were he saw. I sort of imagined she was walking alone with no one else around.

MM do you know if other kids were around that evening and who they are? Are they friends of Lindsey? Had you heard this?

He said he saw children out and playing, but he didn't pay attention to who they were. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 01:38:25 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 01:40:46 PM
One thing I do find odd is about the second witness.  In doing some research 2 nights ago to find out when that witness really came forward, I came across a statement that she spotted Lindsey on 5th and Maple.  We had always believed 7th and Maple.

Now I read that the Beehive is between 5th and 6th and Maple even tho it's addredd is 415 Maple as the addresses in McCleary are totally out of cinq with the streets.  I think thisw is maybe one of the many factors that LE considered in putting their case before the judge for probable cause. 

In lother words the crime scene of the abduction was really different than we have been thinking all of these last 3 months.  IMO


PS:  As to both Josh and KK's son, I discount both of them as simply peripheral to the case.  The only possibility is if they did know the POI and were friends and had seen things between him and Lindsey that looked suspicious.  And to me that is why the white car is so important.

Can't someone run a DMV tracker on what car he owned?  Well, I guess tomoz we will know which car was towed to forensic hqtrs for testing.  Jvk took a stellar photo at the Beehive that shows a white car parked out on the street.  Am dying to know who owns it, although someone said it looks like a towne car.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 01:43:49 PM
Tracygirl,  I think I remember reading the Mayors remarks in one of the articles posted by a news station.  They quoted him and a neighbor.  Maybe KOMO or King? Does anyone remember, then we can get exactly what he said. The neighbor is 79 and didn't see anything, but then someone pointed out his house did not face Maple, and his front room didn't overlook the street.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: Jademoff on September 30, 2009, 01:43:51 PM

Melissa McCann does not deny KONA's contention that Josh Baum has issues with agression.

Janet

++++++

JOSH BAUM:  ACCORDING TO MELISSA MCCANN


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect..  I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern

What I have been told about Aspergers, is that it is in the same category of Autism, but those who have aspergers are higher functioning. People with the disorders are actually very sharp in certain areas, and it varies from person to person. Here is what I found on wikipedia, I hope it clears things up for you.

Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder, and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other autism spectrum disorders by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not required for diagnosis, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.[1][2]

Asperger syndrome is also called Asperger's syndrome,[1] Asperger (or Asperger's) disorder,[3][4] or just Asperger's.[5] It is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers, and were physically clumsy.[6] Fifty years later, it was standardized as a diagnosis, but questions about many aspects remain.[7] For example, there is lingering doubt about whether it is distinct from high-functioning autism (HFA);[8] partly because of this, its prevalence is not firmly established. The exact cause is unknown, although research supports the likelihood of a genetic basis; brain imaging techniques have not identified a clear common pathology.[1]

There is no single treatment, and the effectiveness of particular interventions is supported by only limited data.[1] Intervention is aimed at improving symptoms and function. The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness.[9] Most individuals improve over time, but difficulties with communication, social adjustment and independent living continue into adulthood.[7] Some researchers and people with Asperger's have advocated a shift in attitudes toward the view that it is a difference, rather than a disability that must be treated or cured.[10]


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 02:14:52 PM
Tracygirl,  I think I remember reading the Mayors remarks in one of the articles posted by a news station.  They quoted him and a neighbor.  Maybe KOMO or King? Does anyone remember, then we can get exactly what he said. The neighbor is 79 and didn't see anything, but then someone pointed out his house did not face Maple, and his front room didn't overlook the street.

I wonder if he lives at the Beehive?  Not that it matters really, except putting the correct scene together.  The Beehive is on the south side of Maple.  I wonder where the Mayor lives.  Just curious is all.  He might have often seen this white car, etc. etc. etc   ::MonkeyEek::. or Lindsey walking past his house before, maybe interaction between the 2.

The Beehive does hold some secrets in itself, possibly, as to the use of one or more of the apts.  Rooms not cleaned, latex gloves on the floor, etc.  We will have some Sleuthin' to do!  I know Jvk's photos are posted on this blog and he might end up being a real hero for Lindsey with his visit to the Beehive and what he saw and the photographs he took there.  I hope he doesn't ming me posting this here.  Of he does I'll be glad to ask Klaas to delete this paragraph.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 30, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
demonstrated limited empathy with their peers..


That is why we see him acting as he does..
mo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 02:20:21 PM
Was it the same girls that caused her so much stress that she went swimming with the last day she was seen?

yes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 02:21:03 PM
Scandi, I got the impression that the mayors neighbor lives in a house, not the Beehive.  Someone on the board that lives in McCleary sited his cross streets and explained the house view and layout.   

I saw the pictures that JVS posted on WS.  Amazing pictures.  I wonder if the rooms that were uncleaned were from tenants that had moved out?  Not yet cleaned, etc?   I remember seeing the pictures of the the outside, but none that were focused on the rooms.  Did I miss some pictures?  I am not at WS very often.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
Scandi, I got the impression that the mayors neighbor lives in a house, not the Beehive.  Someone on the board that lives in McCleary sited his cross streets and explained the house view and layout.   

I saw the pictures that JVS posted on WS.  Amazing pictures.  I wonder if the rooms that were uncleaned were from tenants that had moved out?  Not yet cleaned, etc?   I remember seeing the pictures of the the outside, but none that were focused on the rooms.  Did I miss some pictures?  I am not at WS very often.

Hi AZ,  First, I just PM'ed Jvk to make sure my post above is alright with him.

Yes, I got the impression the mayor lives in a house too.  Since both men were mentioned in that article I thought it interesting to see where both lived.

Jvk thought the one room he saw, which was then being cleaned, was an apt where someone had died.  A slow clean is the way I interpreted it.  IMO  The other vacant room was just dirty and latex gloves could imply a usage other than what they are usually for in a dr's office or hospital setting!  Also IMO.

He has a photo of the sign but other than the photo with the white car on the street and the apts showing behind it I haven't seen any other photos he took there.  He did visit with a tenant and someone who works there.  He was 'on it' for sure!    xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 30, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
But he saw other kids? He is the mayor of a small town, he must know who at least some of the kids were he saw. I sort of imagined she was walking alone with no one else around.

MM do you know if other kids were around that evening and who they are? Are they friends of Lindsey? Had you heard this?

He said he saw children out and playing, but he didn't pay attention to who they were. 

I can understand that.  I know most of the kids in my surrounding area, they play on the swings and chase each other across the yards in the evenings, etc.  And even tho I know them, unless there's a good reason, I only notice that 'the kids' are out playing.  Am busy with my own thoughts and not pinpointing who is who, who is wearing what, etc.  Only if one gets hurt, is crying, or comes up to chat, whatever, do I focus on them.  Am getting old, sitting outside on the porch/patio of an evening is a good time to daydream, relax, etc.  lol  Pretty sure that many others are like that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home.
“Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”

 Bentley noticed that, too.

 “I think parents, and really everybody, is being more watchful,” the mayor said. “I don’t think we’re suspicious, but more observant and careful. ... We’re always looking for news. We just want her to be found.”

 Bentley, who has been mayor for three terms and is retiring from his elected position at the end of the year, says McCleary is a place where families have felt safe for years. He was a school teacher here before he retired more than 10 years ago.

 Self, who grew up in McCleary and worked at the nearby mill and also as a pastor, said he used to leave his doors unlocked. Not anymore.

 “You can’t risk it,” Self said, watching as neighbors stopped by during a garage sale his family was doing Saturday. “It’s sad. I wish we could go back to the way it was.”

 Like Lindsey’s friends and loved ones, community members who never even knew her are on pins and needles waiting to find out where she is.

 Bridgett Smith was at McCleary Park Saturday, keeping a close eye on two of her young children playing on playground equipment. She noted there was a fence around the playground equipment and only one way in and out. She sat there — just in case. She has five children, who range in age from 1 years old to 15. Her 15-year-old daughter Brianna Drab sat next to her.

 “I don’t think my daughter understood why I was always cautious with her, why I always wanted her to call whenever she got places before the disappearance of Lindsey,” Smith said. “Now she does.”

 Drab said she and friends were talking about Lindsey during the first few days of school. She says friends and acquaintances are being monitored more by their parents than they were before the disappearance.

 Other neighborhood kids say Lindsey still dominates the conversation. Because her disappearance was on the television news again, the youth will likely be talking about it again on Monday, they said.

“There are a lot of creeps out there,” Drab said. “A lot of parents have become more protective.”

“She asked me once if she disappeared like Lindsey, would I ever stop looking for her?” Smith said. “I told her I would never give up. Never. ... I can only imagine what’s happening to Lindsey’s mother. I just hope she gets an answer someday. This is a parent’s worst nightmare.”

The Daily World called Melissa Baum Saturday evening, but she could not be reached. She told KIRO-TV Friday evening that she’s hopeful she might finally get some answers.

“When it boils down to it, I go to bed every night without kissing my daughter goodnight and that’s all I want to do.”

Steven Friederich, a Daily World writer, can be reached at (360) 537-3927 or by e-mail at sfriederich@thedailyworld.com
 
 


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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 30, 2009, 02:50:37 PM
Was it the same girls that caused her so much stress that she went swimming with the last day she was seen?

yes

My mind keeps going back to this house.  I do remember reading earlier on, that Lindsey went to another house after she left KKs, that it was the house she went swimming at, and the adults there said no she couldn't spend the night.  Just cannot remember whether that was confirmed by those adults, or if it was more of the rumors floating.  I remember the woman saying she wished she had told Lindsey yes, or something like that. 

I just hope that LE has talked with these folks.  Cuz if they can confirm that with them, IMO that could place Lindsey closer to home than the 2 previous sightings on Maple. 

And did I read correctly that on her myspace or some such, Lindsey's mom posted that Lindsey was last seen on her own street?   ::MonkeyConfused::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5
Post by: shortcake on September 30, 2009, 02:51:09 PM

Hi Scandi  We all assumed the ORV caretaker was arrested and sent back to Wisconsin(I think) because of an outstanding warrant.  Three sources have told me they have seen him in the last three weeks.  I believe them.  They are reliable.  So I think Montesano arrested someone fitting the description of the caretaker and everyone jumped to conclusions.  Easy to do here?  Or maybe he came back??  I do believe him to be in the McCleary area.  Now he may have nothing to do with this at all, but I have talked to this caretaker person early on and if I ever see him again I will tell him exactly how he made me feel.  Either he is a nut or he may know something.  Probably a nut and harmless.  I don't know.  Just know the LE searched for a couple of days out at the park and the tip was Lindsey in a pink floral bathing suit.  I kinda dismissed the incident because of the bathing suit sighting.  Who thought she may have been wearing a bathing suit.  Now it makes me wonder.  Maybe someone(like DD) can investigate in more depth and put my mind at ease and clear this guy.  Just asking questions, not accusing.  shortcake

The caretaker?  Another possible person of interest.  Thanks Shortcake.

My unpopular position with many on this forum regarding the possible implication of  Josh Baum ... as a person of interest in the the process of elimination ... did sway for a period of time this weekend but ... I have regained my balance.

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey Baum's disappearance:

1.  Following the witness sighting at 5th and Maple ... within a very short distance from home ... is it possible that an impulsive action by someone close to Lindsey unintentionally ... in the act of wrongdoing ... caused her death?

- Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and there met with foul play?
- Did Lindsey make it home and it was there that something went terribly wrong?

2.  In a sincere attempt to protect a loved one  ... is it possible assistance outside the family to cover up was requested and provided?

3.  Considering there have been no arrests ... could there be underlying legal issues  encompassing the interrogation of an underage person of interest when there is no substantiating evidence that implies the existence of a felony? 

Janet


Caretaker of McCleary? Is he an old man with glasses/sunglasses and wear an orange vest and drive a small pickup? If so, he's harmless, he's one of the sweetest people I've ever met. He likes to joke and he's always in high spirits
Hi Jade.  The caretaker I am talking about worked at the ORV park and was fired just before the Bear Festiful.  There was an extensive search at this park more than one time.  Also the first report was a "sighting of someomne looking like Lindsay" in a pink bathing suit on a quad the next day after she dissappeared.  They also confiscated this caretaker's computer.  I am sure he is not the one you speak highly off.  I trust your judgement.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
Have we heard anything more about the POI?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 03:04:06 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 03:05:15 PM
wyks-you are correct about the pool. i dont know if it has ever been "officially" confirmed that she stopped there on her way home, i think it might be one of those things that LE is not publicizing..im not sure tho! 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 03:05:22 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.

here it is...

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Here with Jvk's approval is his original post about the Beehive:

"The 'Assisted Living Home Story

Ok so i'm just above 6th & Maple taking pictures. An elderly <person> <appears> in a friendly manor (which is a +) and asks if I knew if anyone had opened/searched the vacant retirement apartments.

<this person> also commented that <they> thought half the town had keys.

I said i have no idea but thanks & i'll go ask the staff. (hot as hell, told <this person> to go back inside)

So i walk into the retirement center & shoot off the question, two seconds later & i duno how many times i was asked -> 'who are you' rudely & excessively+

While their 'tune changed a little bit for the better ~toward the end.. quite frankly two of (female) staff members were very f'ing rude.

Hate to say it but possibly more-so then d-ward.

I told them repeatedly that i was 'just a concerned citizen' and they accepted this as if it would be the only acceptable answer. (& reason to do this)

It was only the fact that it was a good idea that saved me. 'Suddenly' one of the females was a converted tag-along (not literally) to the idea+

Talk about a barrier.

No one had checked the vacant apts on maple.

Also: i was asked at least 3 times 'WHO' (demand-ish) asked me to ask this. I never told them (with good reason imo) but they may have figured it out.

IMO, do not send your family here.

So i go along w/this guy (i dont have names of anyone, i don't dare ask) to start popping open the vacants.

First one we walk into multiple latex glove sets laying around on the floor & a wheelchair. Pretty obvious this hadn't been cracked open since a death.

he says "Hmm looks like this hasn't been cleaned" - Yeah really?

There was one w/some construction that (at first glance) looked like it had blood drops on the (kitchen) floor but i accepted 'stain' as the answer (from him) given the kitchen/work

Anyways pretty uneventful ...

i think we opened & went through 4.

However one of them had a front door that was just coming off the hinges, literally. I don't think it could be locked.

This being on Maple.. & 6th.. and no one opening them was a bit concerning.

- He said the brown ones/building is being remodeled".   Jvk @ WS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 03:08:09 PM
Have we heard anything more about the POI?  ::MonkeyConfused::

i dont think so..just that the search warrants should be released tomorrow

i find myself feeling so conflicted about this because i want to search further into this and discuss more of the possibility of what the probable cause is and stuff, but at the same time, i trust dd's research and knowledge..i dont know if anyone else feels the same way

at the end of the day its all about bringing lindsey home  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 30, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
One thing I do find odd is about the second witness.  In doing some research 2 nights ago to find out when that witness really came forward, I came across a statement that she spotted Lindsey on 5th and Maple.  We had always believed 7th and Maple.

Now I read that the Beehive is between 5th and 6th and Maple even tho it's addredd is 415 Maple as the addresses in McCleary are totally out of cinq with the streets.  I think thisw is maybe one of the many factors that LE considered in putting their case before the judge for probable cause. 

In lother words the crime scene of the abduction was really different than we have been thinking all of these last 3 months.  IMO


PS:  As to both Josh and KK's son, I discount both of them as simply peripheral to the case.  The only possibility is if they did know the POI and were friends and had seen things between him and Lindsey that looked suspicious.  And to me that is why the white car is so important.

Can't someone run a DMV tracker on what car he owned?  Well, I guess tomoz we will know which car was towed to forensic hqtrs for testing.  Jvk took a stellar photo at the Beehive that shows a white car parked out on the street.  Am dying to know who owns it, although someone said it looks like a towne car.  xox
Hi Scandi - I hope you don't mind if I butt in, but in my research the last witness was a neighbor and didn't come forward until Tuesday or Wednesday the following week.  I don't understand what took so long?  What is her name?  Where does work(one report was for the County).  Well the only close County facility is the ORV Park about 4 mi from McCleary.  That is why I was wondering about this late witness.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 03:10:21 PM
Here with his approval are Jvk's most recent interpretatiion of his visit to the Beehive:


"This back to beehive thing kind of pisses me off. - For a variety of reasons:

1. The staff members were not so nice to me. (reluctant to let me search initially)

2. It took a tenant to bring up no one searching the empty Apts. (& then later alerting me)

3.a - (edit *at least*) One of the Apts i'd entered, has since been remodeled.
3.b - At the time its front door was nearly hanging off
3.c - I believe this apt had just prior had a death in it. (it was not cleaned up, confirmed via Staff member)

4. The tenant that alerted me said <they> thought 'half the town had a key' (being specific to a set of apts, which included #3 ^)

Of course its possible LE had searched them w/out anyone noticing (staff, tenants etc) - but ... in one of the apts specifically, given the multiple sets latex gloves on the floor, i saw no reason to believe that. (+ other)"    Jvk @ WS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 30, 2009, 03:11:56 PM
wyks-you are correct about the pool. i dont know if it has ever been "officially" confirmed that she stopped there on her way home, i think it might be one of those things that LE is not publicizing..im not sure tho! 



Ok, thanks Sunshine! 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 03:14:57 PM
wyks-you are correct about the pool. i dont know if it has ever been "officially" confirmed that she stopped there on her way home, i think it might be one of those things that LE is not publicizing..im not sure tho! 



Ok, thanks Sunshine! 



you are very welcome!




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 03:17:20 PM
One thing I do find odd is about the second witness.  In doing some research 2 nights ago to find out when that witness really came forward, I came across a statement that she spotted Lindsey on 5th and Maple.  We had always believed 7th and Maple.

Now I read that the Beehive is between 5th and 6th and Maple even tho it's addredd is 415 Maple as the addresses in McCleary are totally out of cinq with the streets.  I think thisw is maybe one of the many factors that LE considered in putting their case before the judge for probable cause. 

In lother words the crime scene of the abduction was really different than we have been thinking all of these last 3 months.  IMO


PS:  As to both Josh and KK's son, I discount both of them as simply peripheral to the case.  The only possibility is if they did know the POI and were friends and had seen things between him and Lindsey that looked suspicious.  And to me that is why the white car is so important.

Can't someone run a DMV tracker on what car he owned?  Well, I guess tomoz we will know which car was towed to forensic hqtrs for testing.  Jvk took a stellar photo at the Beehive that shows a white car parked out on the street.  Am dying to know who owns it, although someone said it looks like a towne car.  xox
Hi Scandi - I hope you don't mind if I butt in, but in my research the last witness was a neighbor and didn't come forward until Tuesday or Wednesday the following week.  I don't understand what took so long?  What is her name?  Where does work(one report was for the County).  Well the only close County facility is the ORV Park about 4 mi from McCleary.  That is why I was wondering about this late witness.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 03:28:37 PM
Thanks Scandi for the info from JVS...very interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 03:33:50 PM
Thanks Scandi for the info from JVS...very interesting.
You're welcome AZ.  His posts might be good reference material if the Beehive turns out to be a site involved in the crime.


Sorry Shortcake for the flub above ::MonkeyDevil2::  It said I had double posted!  Anyhoo, this is what I wrote to you:

"Heavens, no problem Shortcake.  I did find the article and posted it here - it's back in the last thread I think.  But yes, she came forward on the Tues after Lindsey was abducted  and told what whe sitnessed on that Fri nite. I have no idea who she is or where she works but we were told for the County.  That could be in neighboring Montesano where the GH County offices are, or over in Shelton where the prison is or yes, at Straddleline ORV Park which has a McCleary address.

I know there are 2 women who work there as I spoke with both of them by phone, but have no idea where they live.  You could be on to something tho, not to exclude our new POI.

My gut is she was taken for sexual purposes and was gone within less than 3 hours.  I hate to say that as until her body is located we have to keep up hope.  I think the little girl in the pink bathing suit was someone else.

We got some misinformation I think that this acting caretaker had a little girl Lindsey's age who knew her.  I have never seen that verified.  And he was in his 70's as I remember which might not even mean anything.  xox"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
It has been known since July 2, 2009 that there was a confirmed sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple.  If the witness sighting is credible ... Lindsey would have already pasted 6th Street ... already passed the Beehine ... on her journey home.

Janet

++++++


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 30, 2009, 03:47:32 PM
O/T:  I hope it was a very painful, painful death:

Jessica Lunsford's Killer Dies of Natural Causes
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. —  John Couey, who buried 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford alive, has died in a Fla. prison, an official said.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558100,00.html?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 30, 2009, 03:51:35 PM
More information here:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/30/john-couey-dies-cancer-prison/

apparently it was "anal cancer."  Hee hee.  Talk about poetic justice. . .


 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 03:58:09 PM
AZ thank you so much for finding that article  ::MonkeyKiss:: The mayor states there were other children playing at that time, but he can't recall if he saw her, I wonder if he recalls who was there?

Scandi, thank you for the information. I have to say, I am on the fence over this one. I am not quite connecting the dots. I suppose maybe it is because I myself own 3 white vehicals and it is the #1 color of car, I think,  something like that. Also, there are many people who work over there and as it is stated many people have keys to the apartments. A death in a senior housing center is not uncommon probably...These places are often unkept and such...As someone stated, I am on the fence. I think there are many different things that could have happened and many things need to be researched. But thank you, it is very interesting for sure.   

Ok I want to know if there were other kids playing or hanging out and if Lindsey hung around them too. I wounder if it was the same girls that were having a slumber party that night, I think tag and libby's place and these are the same girls Lindsey had a problem with a few days prior? Someone? That has always bothered me, this fight that was so cruel she didn't want to go to school...So many things about this case bother me....KK and her brother, KK's sons arm, the mean girls, the ORV park person, the witness accounts, the time lines, the searches...so many things


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 04:03:56 PM
More information here:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/30/john-couey-dies-cancer-prison/

apparently it was "anal cancer."  Hee hee.  Talk about poetic justice. . .


 ::MonkeyJustice::

Yep, hope he struggled and struggled for his last breaths! SOB I pray he rots in He@@ a very very long time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 04:05:48 PM
Have we heard anything more about the POI?  ::MonkeyConfused::

i dont think so..just that the search warrants should be released tomorrow

i find myself feeling so conflicted about this because i want to search further into this and discuss more of the possibility of what the probable cause is and stuff, but at the same time, i trust dd's research and knowledge..i dont know if anyone else feels the same way

at the end of the day its all about bringing lindsey home  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks, and thanks Scandi for that info on the Beehive. Sure doesn't sound like a place one would want to live at  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
More information here:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/30/john-couey-dies-cancer-prison/

apparently it was "anal cancer."  Hee hee.  Talk about poetic justice. . .


 ::MonkeyJustice::
Thanks, disgusting human being  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 30, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
Have we heard anything more about the POI?  ::MonkeyConfused::

i dont think so..just that the search warrants should be released tomorrow

i find myself feeling so conflicted about this because i want to search further into this and discuss more of the possibility of what the probable cause is and stuff, but at the same time, i trust dd's research and knowledge..i dont know if anyone else feels the same way

at the end of the day its all about bringing lindsey home  ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling conflicted as well, Sunshine.  I do trust DD's research and knowledge too, haven't had reason not to.  Despite all the hoopla from those who disagree with her and seem to fight her every step of the way.  IMO, their hoopla only reinforces what DD has said and what she cannot say yet.  I will say that DD seems to have what she needs to back her theories/experiences up, whereas the others just seem to only have more hoopla with nothing to back that up.  So sitting back and waiting for the time to be right for the truth to out, that's frustrating. 

There's not much we can do without consistency, truth and actual facts from the main players.  Am thinking that if I do start delving in again from the start, I'll only end up realizing the same as what DD has said, and cannot say yet.  I dunno which is more frustrating, waiting... or trying to research amidst a bunch of rumors and mis-truths.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 04:57:25 PM
I wish I had time to respond to everyone's posts like I want to but am out the door and back in a couple of hours.

As I walk out the door I'm thinking it is only intelligent to look at everything, tear it apart and build it back together again.  That's what we do. And we know tomoz can't come too soon for us, it will be a long night.  We'll have a lot os Sleuthin' to do and don't think it will take long to get some basic info cookin' on the fire once we have the go ahead.  xox


See you soon  (http://img46.exs.cx/img46/4271/alligator_walking2.gif)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 05:03:05 PM
Have we heard anything more about the POI?  ::MonkeyConfused::

i dont think so..just that the search warrants should be released tomorrow

i find myself feeling so conflicted about this because i want to search further into this and discuss more of the possibility of what the probable cause is and stuff, but at the same time, i trust dd's research and knowledge..i dont know if anyone else feels the same way

at the end of the day its all about bringing lindsey home  ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling conflicted as well, Sunshine.  I do trust DD's research and knowledge too, haven't had reason not to.  Despite all the hoopla from those who disagree with her and seem to fight her every step of the way.  IMO, their hoopla only reinforces what DD has said and what she cannot say yet.  I will say that DD seems to have what she needs to back her theories/experiences up, whereas the others just seem to only have more hoopla with nothing to back that up.  So sitting back and waiting for the time to be right for the truth to out, that's frustrating. 

There's not much we can do without consistency, truth and actual facts from the main players.  Am thinking that if I do start delving in again from the start, I'll only end up realizing the same as what DD has said, and cannot say yet.  I dunno which is more frustrating, waiting... or trying to research amidst a bunch of rumors and mis-truths.     ::MonkeyConfused::


yes, i trust dd completely, she knows what shes doing as do the other researchers who work with her, we are lucky to have her on this board!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:04:06 PM
Was it the same girls that caused her so much stress that she went swimming with the last day she was seen?
Yes,Lindsey swam there both Thursday and Friday.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:07:03 PM
i wanted to bump the part of my previous post i brought over which was written by shortcake but it wouldnt let me type after the quote..

shortcake-i know you said that you dont give much credibility to ho's dog report after walking through the area... i am still wondering what the gate looked like?  im wondering if its possible for someone to get injured while walking back there? just wondering
Sunshine- The gate is like several other gates in the area that stop vehicles from using them.  It is a railroad rail about 3 feet off of the ground that comes together in the middle and is locked.  It can be unlocked and swung open during hunting season.  Quads and dirt bikes can get around most of these, but keep out larger vehicles.  I noticed nothing that would cause a wound like that. Lots of blackberry vines, but I it dosen't appear to be brier wound.  Maybe, but I would think it would have a lot of scratches.  Only other thing that could possiblely do damage like that is what I call "devil's club".  It is a large, tall plant with large spikes on it. I would rather walk through a brier patch than a cluster of "devil's club".  They kind of grow in clusters.  I saw many clusters growing on my walk.  I should think a brush with one of them would leave a mean gash.  I only wish I knew the proper name for this plant.  I wish I could describe what they look like real close up, but I wouldn't go near them even as a child.  shortcake 
A very dangerous weed/plant but it is said to have healing powers.....just don't touch it lol



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:15:59 PM
Hi Tamikosmom,
As far as ML, I was just trying to remember who debunked the white car theory, not who put it out there. Many people all over the net keep going on and on about that white car and how it has played into the current POI.  I would like to know where ML went. Also, how do I highlight things so that when I bring them over they do not run together? Thank you!

sebastian

I apologize.  I am off right now.  Maybe another Monkey could assist you.  I will be back later on the forum this afternoon.

Janet
9:45 AM PT



Sebastian
Copy and paste what you want highlighted then look up to the bottom row of options,see the little yellow quote thingie 2nd from right?
OK,put a posters name to what/who you are quoting,highlight it as if to copy it then click on the yellow qoute box(bottom row,2nd box from right)and it will put it all in a quote box for you.If you want to type something,type after the quote word just like in a regular reply.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:28:52 PM
Scandi, I got the impression that the mayors neighbor lives in a house, not the Beehive.  Someone on the board that lives in McCleary sited his cross streets and explained the house view and layout.   

I saw the pictures that JVS posted on WS.  Amazing pictures.  I wonder if the rooms that were uncleaned were from tenants that had moved out?  Not yet cleaned, etc?   I remember seeing the pictures of the the outside, but none that were focused on the rooms.  Did I miss some pictures?  I am not at WS very often.

Hi AZ,  First, I just PM'ed Jvk to make sure my post above is alright with him.

Yes, I got the impression the mayor lives in a house too.  Since both men were mentioned in that article I thought it interesting to see where both lived.

Jvk thought the one room he saw, which was then being cleaned, was an apt where someone had died.  A slow clean is the way I interpreted it.  IMO  The other vacant room was just dirty and latex gloves could imply a usage other than what they are usually for in a dr's office or hospital setting!  Also IMO.

He has a photo of the sign but other than the photo with the white car on the street and the apts showing behind it I haven't seen any other photos he took there.  He did visit with a tenant and someone who works there.  He was 'on it' for sure!    xox
From mapping the Mayor's house it looks like it is across Maple,on 6th street,north side of Maple.I think Mr Self(other neighbor)lives at the BeeHive with his wife on the south side of Maple.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 06:34:51 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 06:37:58 PM
O/T:  I hope it was a very painful, painful death:

Jessica Lunsford's Killer Dies of Natural Causes
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. —  John Couey, who buried 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford alive, has died in a Fla. prison, an official said.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558100,00.html?test=latestnews

... and despite all the searches ... this precious little girl was "right under her Daddy's nose" the entire time.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

John Couey was evil personified.

Janet

+++++

Melissa Baum

The Daily World - August 2, 2009


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 06:42:49 PM

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house.  In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Thanks AZSunny.

Do we have the address of the Mayor?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
O/T:  I hope it was a very painful, painful death:

Jessica Lunsford's Killer Dies of Natural Causes
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. —  John Couey, who buried 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford alive, has died in a Fla. prison, an official said.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558100,00.html?test=latestnews
Thank you Jess
May he rot in hell.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
More information here:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/sep/30/john-couey-dies-cancer-prison/

apparently it was "anal cancer."  Hee hee.  Talk about poetic justice. . .


 ::MonkeyJustice::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:55:59 PM

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house.  In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Thanks AZSunny.

Do we have the address of the Mayor?

Janet
Janet,I found his addy and everyone else that lives on 6th street in the thread DD started......I forget the title.....
Here you go,titled Who Lives On 6th Street,2nd post you will find the Mayor and Mr Self.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5593.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 06:59:44 PM
Have a good night you all.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 30, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
Good news!

Help Ron & Don find Lindsey Baum!

The next - and hopefully, with your help, the last - chapter in the search for Lindsey Baum will be written this weekend, and you can be part of it. Join Ron & Don in the search for this missing 11-year-old girl from McCleary this Saturday, October 3, as organizers refine their search area and hope for an unprecedented number of searchers looking for Lindsey.

Find scheduling and specific information regarding the search efforts here.

Ron & Don are calling on the Ron & Don Nation to turn out in record numbers in an effort to bring Lindsey home. All day or a couple of hours, whatever you can spare, will go a long way in closing this case and bringing the Baum family back together. Volunteers should be at least 18 years of age with valid picture ID. Search efforts are actually going on all weekend long, so if you can't join Ron & Don on Saturday, check the schedule and help when you can.

Can't get away this weekend? Unable to make it to McCleary? It's the sincere hope of Ron & Don that communicating detailed information about the search for Lindsey will help eliminate any excuses and build the number of searchers, but they understand that for some members of the Nation, as much as they might want to, joining the search is impractical. But you can still help! You can volunteer in the Lindsey Baum Search Center at times that work for you. You can donate to the search for Lindsey at any Sterling Savings Bank or through the mail. In addition to volunteers, the Lindsey Baum Search Center is in need of food and beverages for the searchers, and access to a laptop computer with Internet access. Visit this web page for detailed information about donating material to the search.

With the help of the Ron & Don Nation, we can find Lindsey Baum and write a happy ending to this story. See you Saturday!

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=110


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 07:08:26 PM
I have been spending today getting the search warrants and evidence receipts ready to post. Yesterday I had to spend making maps for searchers and doing some research. Finding Lindsey is the #1 Priority, so I had to do that first. It took awhile to do that.

Now I have time today to get the search warrants up and the Evidence receipts of things taken from the properites. Once I have them up, I will also go through them in detail and post what these items are, who they belonged to, where they were found, and anything else about them that has to do with the case. There is nothing to hide, it is just that I have not had time yet. But I am spending today doing just that. So hang on and they should be up and out here within and hour or so.

I have ONLY SO MUCH TIME in a day and half the night so I try to prioritize.

please have some paitience, I have been working my butt off with about 4 hours sleep a night. I can do only so much, I'm not a robot. Although I am beginning to feel like one, whose batteries are totally run down.

Okay SEARCH WARRANTS AND EVIDENCE RECEIPTS WILL BE UP IN ABOUT 1-2 HOURS.

and by the way... THE CAR WAS RELEASED...seems to me that tells a lot... they are not keeping it and it was not hauled off to the lab... like they are in so many cases. This tells me, nothing important in that car.







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 30, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
Thanks, DD!  Your hard work is much appreciated!   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 07:16:18 PM
I have been spending today getting the search warrants and evidence receipts ready to post. Yesterday I had to spend making maps for searchers and doing some research. Finding Lindsey is the #1 Priority, so I had to do that first. It took awhile to do that.

Now I have time today to get the search warrants up and the Evidence receipts of things taken from the properites. Once I have them up, I will also go through them in detail and post what these items are, who they belonged to, where they were found, and anything else about them that has to do with the case. There is nothing to hide, it is just that I have not had time yet. But I am spending today doing just that. So hang on and they should be up and out here within and hour or so.

I have ONLY SO MUCH TIME in a day and half the night so I try to prioritize.

please have some paitience, I have been working my butt off with about 4 hours sleep a night. I can do only so much, I'm not a robot. Although I am beginning to feel like one, whose batteries are totally run down.

Okay SEARCH WARRANTS AND EVIDENCE RECEIPTS WILL BE UP IN ABOUT 1-2 HOURS.

and by the way... THE CAR WAS RELEASED...seems to me that tells a lot... they are not keeping it and it was not hauled off to the lab... like they are in so many cases. This tells me, nothing important in that car.







thank you dd!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 07:23:01 PM

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house.  In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Thanks AZSunny.

Do we have the address of the Mayor?

Janet
Janet,I found his addy and everyone else that lives on 6th street in the thread DD started......I forget the title.....
Here you go,titled Who Lives On 6th Street,2nd post you will find the Mayor and Mr Self.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5593.0


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 07:48:15 PM
ACCORDING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ... IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION ...


KIRO TV - SEPTEMBER 28, 2009

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


DAILY WORLD - SEPTEMBER 27, 2009

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
ACCORDING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ... IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION ...


KIRO TV - SEPTEMBER 28, 2009

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


DAILY WORLD - SEPTEMBER 27, 2009

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


maybe they decided to make this one public b/c they wanted the media and people to know they are still actively looking after all the scrutiny they have gotten


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 07:58:24 PM
Thanks, DD!  Your hard work is much appreciated!   ::MonkeyKiss::


That's for sure, thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 30, 2009, 08:03:26 PM
Thanks, DD!  Your hard work is much appreciated!   ::MonkeyKiss::


That's for sure, thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

Faaaantastic.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 30, 2009, 08:57:45 PM
is anyone else constantly refreshing the page to see if DD has sent us a link the search warrant info? or is that just me? lol   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on September 30, 2009, 09:02:10 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
is anyone else constantly refreshing the page to see if DD has sent us a link the search warrant info? or is that just me? lol   ::MonkeyJnBox::
You are not alone  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 09:12:20 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.

here it is...

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Bolded by me...

Karma when I read this I get he returned home, saw kids but does not recall if she was out there or not. It doesn't say a time, but that is my impression. Seems like the reporters need to include a few more details in their writing!

What time did he return home and were there any other children outside? But you know not to be controversal...she did disappear right in front of his house, he was apparently home, she just went poof! anyone think of checking out the mayor? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 09:34:01 PM
sorry taking a bit longer than I thought, almost done.  some is impossible to read, having to type it off.  then adding all the detailed info about where it was found, who it belongs to, why it is there, or anything to explain what it is and why... so there is a lot more info here than just the documents. 

almost done.  my fingers are lead.  give me a little longer, working on it. 

sorry.l


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 30, 2009, 09:37:55 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.

Thank you Heidis Mom.  Is it true that Mr. Self's main living room is towards the back of the house?   I can't imagine at his age however, regardless of the placement, if he would be watching the kids play or pass outfront. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 09:40:47 PM
Thanks DD, no worries. I am sure you are doing the best you can!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 09:45:53 PM

Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.

If the frontages face 6th street at the corner of 7th and Maple and ... the confirmed sighting was at 5th and Maple ... ?

What am I not getting?

Janet

++++++++


I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.
 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 30, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
new line of thought....Who works at the local newpaper?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.

here it is...

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Bolded by me...

Karma when I read this I get he returned home, saw kids but does not recall if she was out there or not. It doesn't say a time, but that is my impression. Seems like the reporters need to include a few more details in their writing!

What time did he return home and were there any other children outside? But you know not to be controversal...she did disappear right in front of his house, he was apparently home, she just went poof! anyone think of checking out the mayor? 

Tracygirl

There were several houses that Lindsey walked passed on her way home on the evening that she went "poof" ... not just this one.  Also ... the witness sightings were at 5th and Maple.  She had already pasted 7th and Maple.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 30, 2009, 09:56:45 PM
new line of thought....Who works at the local newspaper?
oop ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 30, 2009, 09:57:47 PM
new line of thought....Who works at the local newspaper?
oop ::MonkeyEek::
geeze


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
okay, finally

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/search-warrants-evidence-receipts-f268.html

there are two sets of receipts...they occupied house and then the vacant house, I put at the top which is which. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 10:22:37 PM
oooopppsssss   hang on... the setting is on registered only...

let me fix that... sorry. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 10:23:10 PM
new line of thought....Who works at the local newspaper?
oop ::MonkeyEek::
geeze

We're all going a bit bonkers.  McCleary has the most inept address system I have ever seen in a town.  The address of the Beehive is 401 Maple.  But local posters have said it is on the south side of Maple between 5th and 6th.

I just called dispatch in McCleary and she did say the Beehive is between 6th and 7th.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 10:25:58 PM
okay, finally

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/search-warrants-evidence-receipts-f268.html

there are two sets of receipts...they occupied house and then the vacant house, I put at the top which is which. 



Thank you DD.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 30, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
all i can say is that if you have a marital 'aid' you should get rid of it. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 30, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
Wow, thanks for all your hard work DD, much appreciated  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
I also posted it all on sm so you have easy reference

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.new#new

I will be working on more tomorrow.

the car was released as well.

tomorrow I am going to be working on clearing up rumors. 

and also explaining how this search came about.  It's all pretty ridiculous.  If not so sad for the family, it would be hilarious.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 10:47:28 PM
I didn't really see anything that telling. It is good the car was given back, if it had anything it would take a long time!

I have to admit I don't want this to be how it ends, not because of Kona or my need to be right, (although I am not sure what right is) I don't want this little girl to have died. I am hoping she is found in a basement somewhere and after a few years of intensive therapy, she will go on to live her life.

Prayers for you sweet little girl who looks so much like my sweet step daughter. May the angels watch over you and bring you back home to your mama and brother very soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 10:55:30 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.

here it is...

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Bolded by me...

Karma when I read this I get he returned home, saw kids but does not recall if she was out there or not. It doesn't say a time, but that is my impression. Seems like the reporters need to include a few more details in their writing!

What time did he return home and were there any other children outside? But you know not to be controversal...she did disappear right in front of his house, he was apparently home, she just went poof! anyone think of checking out the mayor? 

Tracygirl

There were several houses that Lindsey walked passed on her way home on the evening that she went "poof" ... not just this one.  Also ... the witness sightings were at 5th and Maple.  She had already pasted 7th and Maple.

Janet

I am conflicted on the dog report and the witness report. I suppose both could be correct and she turned around and went up 6th.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 30, 2009, 11:14:16 PM
all i can say is that if you have a marital 'aid' you should get rid of it. ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 30, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 30, 2009, 11:24:49 PM
Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

Do you Madre?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 30, 2009, 11:26:50 PM
Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

Do you Madre?

You first!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 30, 2009, 11:30:19 PM
AZ thank you for correcting any mis-statments I may write. I really do appreciate it. It is difficult to keep everything straight.

I only write what I remember reading, I could be wrong as well.  I just don't want to let our mistakes go forward.  I really wasn't correcting you, just stating what I remembered.  Sorry if it sounded that way.

Oh I was being thankful! I appreciate it a lot, really.

Tracy, the article is above that talks about this.

here it is...

I found the article.  It was from the daily world.com    this is the part that pertains to the mayor and neighbor.

McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home. “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”


Bolded by me...

Karma when I read this I get he returned home, saw kids but does not recall if she was out there or not. It doesn't say a time, but that is my impression. Seems like the reporters need to include a few more details in their writing!

What time did he return home and were there any other children outside? But you know not to be controversal...she did disappear right in front of his house, he was apparently home, she just went poof! anyone think of checking out the mayor? 

Tracygirl

There were several houses that Lindsey walked passed on her way home on the evening that she went "poof" ... not just this one.  Also ... the witness sightings were at 5th and Maple.  She had already pasted 7th and Maple.

Janet

I am conflicted on the dog report and the witness report. I suppose both could be correct and she turned around and went up 6th.

Tracy

I cannot comprehend why Lindsey would turn back when it is after 9:30 PM and ... dark is fast approaching.

Harry Oakes' email response to me did not mention a 6th Street search although I referenced it.  However ... his words revealed the Beck Street search which I had not been aware of.

Also ... LE states that there is a confirmed sighting by the witness at 5th and Maple while ... KaraK concedes she is not sure in regards to a search taking place on 6th Street.

Janet

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Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1161 on: July 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »


If someone is interested in giving it a shot they could try calling Harry Oakes and see if he can tell you specifically if he tracked the scent straight down Maple or up 6th  - I don't know the exact details of his search but that way you would have the information directly without it coming through me... Just a thought. I imagine you could tell him you are trying to put together maps and such. Not sure if he'd share the info or not...

International K-9 Search & Rescue Services
c/o Harry E. Oakes, Jr.
P.O. Box #1472
Longview, Washington 98632 USA

Oregon phone: 503-705-0258
Outside Oregon phone and fax: 360-414-8093

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865325;topicseen#msg865325





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 30, 2009, 11:43:19 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

Yes, think so too.

Yeah, being in the posessesion of child pornography is a felony.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

absolutely NOT... it's ridiculous and tomorrow I will explain more about how ridiculous this all is.  its crazy.  Someone told LE a bunch of crap.  They also released the car already... and also the dogs did not hit on anything. 

this kid worked 2 jobs... his car is so low he has to go over speed bumps sideways, how is he suppose to take her out somewhere in that?  and there is more to it that gets absolutely hilarious if you even try to imagine him getting her in that car, do you think he really put her through the sunroof...these idiots.  this is the craziest crap I have ever seen. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 30, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
IF IT WERE child porn there would have been an arrest!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

Yes, think so too.

Yeah, being in the posessesion of child pornography is a felony.

who was in possession of child porno? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 30, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
Janet isn't there a dog report that states the scent goes up 6th? She could have turned around if she was running from someone, (a flight response), maybe there was someone calling her, maybe she saw a puppy, maybe she dropped something and turned to get it. I do not believe that since the witness saw her there on 5th and Maple, it means she stayed in that route. She could have changed.

I am curious to know if any other children were still out, are you? I find that detail interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 30, 2009, 11:54:40 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 30, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

A poster that is a local there said that her son or one of his friends thought he was caught at school with porn.  I'm not sure they said it was child porn.  Maybe someone else remembers.  This was after she had to go to town and heard some men outside a bar, agitated, and one said he was going to take this kid out to the woods and.............


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 12:02:30 AM
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 12:10:20 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

Jademoff, the monkey that is a local did investigate further and later posted an apology for bringing rumors to the board. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 12:11:30 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 12:17:38 AM
Tracygirl

Maybe DD has a Harry Oakes report implying a scent indicated that Lindsey turned around after she reached 5th and Maple and ... backtracked to 6th Street.  I have not see one.  The LE canine search did not reveal Lindsey's scent.

The following are a compilation of KaraK posts regarding 6th Street in the sequence they were submitted.  The last post on the topic implies that Kara was conflicted whether Harry Oakes track Lindsey down 6th Street.

I hate conflicting stories.

Nevertheless ... Harry Oakes' email response to me did not mention a 6th Street search although I referenced it.  However ... his words revealed the Beck Street search which I had not been aware of.

Janet

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KARA KAMPEN:  THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1161 on: July 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »


If someone is interested in giving it a shot they could try calling Harry Oakes and see if he can tell you specifically if he tracked the scent straight down Maple or up 6th  - I don't know the exact details of his search but that way you would have the information directly without it coming through me... Just a thought. I imagine you could tell him you are trying to put together maps and such. Not sure if he'd share the info or not...

International K-9 Search & Rescue Services
c/o Harry E. Oakes, Jr.
P.O. Box #1472
Longview, Washington 98632 USA

Oregon phone: 503-705-0258
Outside Oregon phone and fax: 360-414-8093

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865325;topicseen#msg865325


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KOMO NEWS - JUNE 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent


THE DAILY WORLD - JULY 2, 2009

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 12:18:37 AM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

I will guarantee 1000000000000000% this person had no child porn at school.  He had no child porn anywhere.  That was someone different, is not him, and the whole situation was not about child porn anyway... it was some kids goofing off and one asked to see the others #$%#$ and so this person took a pic of it and showed it to them.  it was just kid nonsense...AND IT WAS NOT THIS PERSON TO BEGIN WITH... people have all this crap so turned around and mixed up and totally exaggerated...

I know all the whole background on this person and believe me, there is nothing there that is going to make anyone think he is any different than a ton of other kids.  And after getting older he was working two jobs, which because of all this bs he lost.  and no he did not grab lindsey and make her get into a car.  He would have had to put her through the sunroof or crawl over her to get to his own side to drive because his door didn't even open.  He crawls in and out the sunroof to get in because the dang gear shift is too much in the way to get out the other door, so you going to jump out the sunroof, grab her, then tell her to crawl through the sunroof or shove her in the other door and try to get over a fighting lindsy and the gear shift so you can drive... or better yet, maybe he took his .22 rifle with him and was crawling through the sunroof and waving the gun around while trying to shove a fighting lindsey in his car... where at???? all out on the middle of maple street?
and then what take of in a low car like a bat out of hell, that is so low you can barely make it over speed bumps... yet he is able to drive her out on a dirt road somewhere? 

someone has been making up a bunch of crap... and by the way, his last gf and the one he has now are both 23 yrs old... he's not running around looking for young girls. he also has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night. his car was also out of gas.  so what now, he pushed his car over to maple to grab her?  or he ran out of gas while grabbing her? 

hahaha, this is the craziest bunch of crap I ever heard of.

someone has not done their homework and the whole child porn thing is all bs, and it was not even him to begin with. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 12:20:59 AM
all i can say is that if you have a marital 'aid' you should get rid of it. ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 12:21:38 AM
AZ Sunny, I too am so sorry for your loss!

Here is the thing that I cannot get my brain around. So, for the sake of argument, let us just say that Kona's son took Lindsey. MB stated that Linsey would not go anywhere with someone that she did not know. So........following that logic, how would DG get her into his car? If he came out of work at the Beehive, at the exact time that Lindsey was walking home, how did he get to her? Ok, let's just say for the sake of arguement that Lindsey was talking to him online. Would she really get into a car with a 23 year old. Really? She was 10! She and her friends appeared much more grown up than my 11 year old daughter, but NOT THIS GROWN UP! Also, he is 23. Is it possible that a 23 year old is smart enough to commit a crime like this and get away with it for 3 months? I am more apt to think of this as a set up. I could be WAY OFF BASE of course. It just seems to me that whoever took Lindsey is pretty saavy. They have eluded LE for 3 months. Maybe for fun and entertainment they decided to send LE on a wild goose chase. What better subject to pursue than this kid. He just so happens to drive a white car. He just so happens to work at the Beehive. If it is true, he has already been caught with child porn at school. Although, I would like to hear more proof of that. Wouldn't he have a juvie record or something? I thought things like that were taken VERY SERIOUSLY! He and his family are not well liked around town. They live on a property that is unkept and suspicious looking. Could there be an evil genius lurking in McCleary? I just don't know anymore!

Where is the information that he got caught with child porn? Just curious because he's not that type of person.

A poster that is a local there said that her son or one of his friends thought he was caught at school with porn.  I'm not sure they said it was child porn.  Maybe someone else remembers.  This was after she had to go to town and heard some men outside a bar, agitated, and one said he was going to take this kid out to the woods and.............

the person walking by the bar was madibabe, she admitted it was all rumor, then said it was all bs, and apologized to kona and then madibabe went back to the people spreading the rumors around town and told them it was all bs. 

she posted on my board saying she was so sorry she brought rumors to the net.  see how this  crap gets started.  ugh. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 12:24:39 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

Jademoff, the monkey that is a local did investigate further and later posted an apology for bringing rumors to the board. 

I do not mean any hardships to anyone who is here, I hope everyone understands that. And that was truely the first thing I've read that REALLY made my blood boil to the point my face turned red and steam rose up from it. DG isn't the type of person to be in posession of anything like that.

Changing the topic back to Lindsey. So Lindsey did have a floral bathing suit? Is it possible that she just put the suit back on after she got ready before heading to the Kampen residence? At that late, probably not with the intent of swimming. ALSO..... the movies the girls rented from the video store, when were they supposed to watch those and at who's house?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 12:25:51 AM
DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 12:30:22 AM
Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 12:34:12 AM
DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA


I have some ideas yes.. like I have been saying someone is trying to set this kid up and someone was dang mad at his mother.  It's called bs because people get mad, and like I said, I will defend them to the end. 

now we need to go concentrate on where lindsey really is.  which I did a lot of work on that too, but still need to really tear this case apart, because there just is something we all are missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 12:34:36 AM
DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA


Oops! Sorry, DD, I realize you will go more into that info at a later time.  Just Ignore! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 12:39:43 AM
As far as the confusion as to where Lindsey was seen last, for what it's worth, I do remember Don of the Ron and Don radio show saying someone told him (at the search) that she was last seen right around the telephone pole.  Maybe a local here can figure out exactly where that is at.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 12:50:54 AM
Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

there is a lot more that makes the white car theory totally out the window, will explain that tomorrow.. I am just so tired now.  # one two girls who saw a white car described it and pointed out on the net what it looked like, nothing like his.  and besides they know who he is so if it were him they would have known it was him... so the white car is totally off, it is not the same at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 01:13:50 AM
Janet isn't there a dog report that states the scent goes up 6th? She could have turned around if she was running from someone, (a flight response), maybe there was someone calling her, maybe she saw a puppy, maybe she dropped something and turned to get it. I do not believe that since the witness saw her there on 5th and Maple, it means she stayed in that route. She could have changed.

I am curious to know if any other children were still out, are you? I find that detail interesting.

Unless DD or another Monkey has access to a 6th Street report ... I am unaware of one that exists.

Until backup in regards to the existence of a 6th Street canine report emerges ... my position remains firm.  I speculate that something happened to Lindsey Baum between the confirmed witness sighting at 5th on Maple (possible the Shell station) and her home or ... something happened to Lindsey once she reached her home.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 01, 2009, 01:18:32 AM
Tracygirl

Maybe DD has a Harry Oakes report implying a scent indicated that Lindsey turned around after she reached 5th and Maple and ... backtracked to 6th Street.  I have not see one.  The LE canine search did not reveal Lindsey's scent.

The following are a compilation of KaraK posts regarding 6th Street in the sequence they were submitted.  The last post on the topic implies that Kara was conflicted whether Harry Oakes track Lindsey down 6th Street.

I hate conflicting stories.

Nevertheless ... Harry Oakes' email response to me did not mention a 6th Street search although I referenced it.  However ... his words revealed the Beck Street search which I had not been aware of.

Janet

++++++


KARA KAMPEN:  THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1161 on: July 05, 2009, 06:45:55 PM »


If someone is interested in giving it a shot they could try calling Harry Oakes and see if he can tell you specifically if he tracked the scent straight down Maple or up 6th  - I don't know the exact details of his search but that way you would have the information directly without it coming through me... Just a thought. I imagine you could tell him you are trying to put together maps and such. Not sure if he'd share the info or not...

International K-9 Search & Rescue Services
c/o Harry E. Oakes, Jr.
P.O. Box #1472
Longview, Washington 98632 USA

Oregon phone: 503-705-0258
Outside Oregon phone and fax: 360-414-8093

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865325;topicseen#msg865325


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KOMO NEWS - JUNE 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent


THE DAILY WORLD - JULY 2, 2009

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Hi Tamikosmom,  Doesn't MM's BDF live or have his primary residence on Beck St?  I remember way back when he was discussed here on the board. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 01:30:06 AM
Janet as I said, it is all good. We are different in how we theorize...

So how was the liver lunch! I actually don't mind the taste of it, it is the function of the liver that gets me, lol.

DD I agree, much has been left open and needs to be looked at. Yesterday we all talked about the time line and how it was a bit tight. We found a quote from the mayor that spoke about kids playing outside but no time is listed. MM stated who the last known witness
is, the same person that broke up the fight. We asked about the swim party that day, are these the same girls that had the slumber party and the same girls that was with Lindsey and Kayla at the video store? There of course are the dog trails and what that all means. I think we touched on somethings but left stuff open as well. Yes, digging is required I think.

Goodnite fellow monkeys, may tomorrow bring Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 01, 2009, 01:35:42 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 01:55:49 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.

Hi Sebastian, it was actually me who was upset. I am not upset with you! I promise I'm not upset with you. Just upset that a rumor like this in general was started.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 01, 2009, 01:58:20 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.

Hi Sebastian, it was actually me who was upset. I am not upset with you! I promise I'm not upset with you. Just upset that a rumor like this in general was started.

Thanks Jademoff!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 02:08:34 AM
Janet as I said, it is all good. We are different in how we theorize...

So how was the liver lunch! I actually don't mind the taste of it, it is the function of the liver that gets me, lol.

DD I agree, much has been left open and needs to be looked at. Yesterday we all talked about the time line and how it was a bit tight. We found a quote from the mayor that spoke about kids playing outside but no time is listed. MM stated who the last known witness
is, the same person that broke up the fight. We asked about the swim party that day, are these the same girls that had the slumber party and the same girls that was with Lindsey and Kayla at the video store? There of course are the dog trails and what that all means. I think we touched on somethings but left stuff open as well. Yes, digging is required I think.

Goodnite fellow monkeys, may tomorrow bring Lindsey home.


Tracygirl

I was somewhat disappointed at first.  There was no liver on the lunch menu.  However ... my friend and I had another British dish that I was served often by my parents ... steak and kidney pie.  Then there were the veggies, scoop of mashed potatoes with gravey.  It was delicious.  The pastry was flakey and ... the steak was so tender.  Bread pudding with carmel sauce was where it was at for desert.

I do appreciate the presentation at this British Teahouse ... table cloth ... Old Country Rose china ... silverware ... cloth napkins ....

Thanks for asking.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
11:05 PM PT
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 02:14:22 AM

Hi Tamikosmom,  Doesn't MM's BDF live or have his primary residence on Beck St?  I remember way back when he was discussed here on the board. 
 
[/quote]

According to Melissa McCann ... No.

I will bring the posts forward tomorrow ... the posts where Melissa M. clarifies the misunderstanding.  Right now ... I have to go.  My normally quiet gentle hubby just shouted from the bedroom ... "TURN OFF THAT COMPUTER ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!!"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
11:15 PM



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 01, 2009, 02:23:48 AM

Hi Tamikosmom,  Doesn't MM's BDF live or have his primary residence on Beck St?  I remember way back when he was discussed here on the board. 
 

According to Melissa McCann ... No.

I will bring the posts forward tomorrow ... the posts where Melissa M. clarifies the misunderstanding.  Right now ... I have to go.  My normally quiet gentle hubby just shouted from the bedroom ... "TURN OFF THAT COMPUTER ... DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!!"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
11:15 PM


[/quote]

Thanks Janet,  See you tomoz, you lucky gal   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 05:38:13 AM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 01, 2009, 08:52:32 AM
Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

there is a lot more that makes the white car theory totally out the window, will explain that tomorrow.. I am just so tired now.  # one two girls who saw a white car described it and pointed out on the net what it looked like, nothing like his.  and besides they know who he is so if it were him they would have known it was him... so the white car is totally off, it is not the same at all.

Good Morning DD,  This part I bolded caught my eye.  Are these 2 girls Lindsey and her gf and they knew or knew who your friend's son is, or are they 2 different girls who were asked to ID his white car?  Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 01, 2009, 10:01:54 AM
Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:12:20 AM
wow i just read on dd's site that this all came about b/c the police asked him which of his 2 jobs he was working on a certain night and he was pretty much sleeping when they called and asked him that and so he got confused.

this is ridiculous! i feel so bad that this family's good name was dragged through the mud.

once we find out who started all of these rumors and the drama about this family i think we need to dig a lot deeper into that person and his/her associates (why am i feeling like its gonna be a woman who started all this crap?)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:15:10 AM
Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!

melissa-i think you make a good point. i can only speak for myself but i know i am going to make a much more concious effort to be more careful that the things i say dont come across as me judging mb


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 10:47:16 AM
Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

Madre

Please share what you perceive as a possible "bombshell".  I feel I am watching Nancy Grace.  I am waiting for the "bombshell" but it is not emerging.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
7:45 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Is it okay for me to feel like this? DG in the possession of Child Pornography? I'm not mad because I believe it, I'm mad because I believe someone out there is spreading rumors and getting people worked up over their lies. I'm so sorry to all those who are here who have had to witness people saying things like someone is in the possession of child porn. If LE or someone involved in the investigation part didn't say stuff like this, I personally don't believe it.

I agree, and if we take one statement as fact, and keep repeating it, then we are the rumor makers.  shame on us.

Hi AZSunny,
If you are referring to me, I did not take anything as fact and I thought my post made that clear.

It was not directed at anyone Sebastian.  It is a recurring theme that all of us do, usually not intentionally.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:52:23 AM
janet-i think madre was joking around that there isn't any bombshell evidence, unless i'm missing something haha

i guess the most important stuff in there is that they were looking for the flowered print bathing suit. i'm still wondering about this.

do you guys think the flowered print bathing suit is a different bathing suit than the one she was wearing earlier in the day?  I know during the summers when i was little i used to rotate between 2-3 bathing suits.  maybe she was wearing it as underwear or something?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 01, 2009, 11:08:49 AM
janet-i think madre was joking around that there isn't any bombshell evidence, unless i'm missing something haha

i guess the most important stuff in there is that they were looking for the flowered print bathing suit. i'm still wondering about this.

do you guys think the flowered print bathing suit is a different bathing suit than the one she was wearing earlier in the day?  I know during the summers when i was little i used to rotate between 2-3 bathing suits.  maybe she was wearing it as underwear or something?

Hi Sunshine12,
I too was wondering if she was wearing the bathing suit as underclothes. You know how kids can be. That would explain why the bathing suit was not mentioned when she went missing. Only the perp and maybe MB would know what she had on under her clothes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 11:17:40 AM
Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

there is a lot more that makes the white car theory totally out the window, will explain that tomorrow.. I am just so tired now.  # one two girls who saw a white car described it and pointed out on the net what it looked like, nothing like his.  and besides they know who he is so if it were him they would have known it was him... so the white car is totally off, it is not the same at all.

Good Morning DD,  This part I bolded caught my eye.  Are these 2 girls Lindsey and her gf and they knew or knew who your friend's son is, or are they 2 different girls who were asked to ID his white car?  Thanks

Good Morning Scandi....

These two girls, at least one of them and I think both of them were friends of Lindsey(I will find out if the other one was lindsey's friend as well).  They had seen a white car which they were afraid of. They could not tell the make and model so someone went on the net with them and had them point out what kind of car it was which looked like the one they saw.  They identified a make and model which they say the car looked like.  This make and model looks nothing like the one the person has whose house was searched.  Also these two girls can recognize the person whose house was searched, and they know it was not him or his car.  They saw who was in the car they were afraid of, and they know it was not him. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 11:33:54 AM
DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA


 ::MonkeyConfused::

The implication appears to be that Kona and family realized that they were one of the areas of focus in the investigation and ... were not opposed to an search of their home and property.

I cannot comprehend the threatened lawsuit.

What am I missing?

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 11:37:46 AM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
Does any monkeys see a "bombshell" here... a la "OMG,OMG,OMG"?

Madre

Please share what you perceive as a possible "bombshell".  I feel I am watching Nancy Grace.  I am waiting for the "bombshell" but it is not emerging.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
7:45 AM PT

Hello Tamikosmom.  Sorry, what I meant was that I  did not see any bombshell  in the warrant and/or the evidence receipts.  I did see where some on other boards where saying that last night, I didn't see it, so I wanted to know if any other monkeys saw what I didn't.  Sorry for the confusion.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 01, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!

You feel protective of Melissa B because you know her, she has been your friend forever and you have been at her side through so much of this tragedy. Some of us that post here feel protective of Kona because we have chatted with her and have had private conversations with her. Then there is DD. She has spent so much time and effort in researching all of this. I have to believe that if DD thought for one minute that Kona's son had anything to do with this, she would not be defending them so strongly. She is only trying to find justice for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 11:51:42 AM
Did the two girls who know it isn't the young man in the white car, able to give a description of the man in the car to police? And some idea what make and model of the car? And why were the two girls afraid of the man in the car, did he say something lewd to them or just look mean?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 01, 2009, 11:52:01 AM
In the search warrant it says

"Shoe print and tire print impression to include the collection of shoes and/or tires which may be similiar to those found at the crime scene"

What crime scene??  Is it standard for a search warrant to say this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 11:52:08 AM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 11:53:53 AM
Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!

MM, I have researched documents etc to back up what I say out here, or I will say rumormill.  I know why Kona was where she was and why she was doing what she was doing, because I am the one who asked her to do it.  She was running all over acting weird because I was asking her to run all over.  She did not want anyone to make the connection between her real name and the screen name Kona, because she did not want locals to know what she was doing; her family has lived there since 1933 and they know everyone.  The perp could be anyone in that town, and being her family has lived their forever, it could be very possible the perp knows exactly who she is.  There are also locals on the net who if they put the connection together they could go tell someone she was on the net posting about this case and also looking for lindsey.  What if it is someone who knew exactly who she is and tried to do something to her.  And actually, I am not so sure that is not a lot of what happened here.  I know this people were watching her every move and turning her in as being suspicious etc.  Then they decided her son drove a white car and took all the other rumor bs and started applying it to her and her family.  Then she would not sign up and give her name at the searches, so then they were suspecting her and turned her in.  I know, because they were asking me to find out who she was so they could turn her name in.  Then it became a dang bunch of crap on the net when people were attacking her and trying to interrogate her as if she were involved because she was driving all over FOR ME.  She is one of the longest term multi-generational family there.  Who better for me to ask for help.  She knows everyone, every place, everything about everything.  And she was trying to hard to help.  Yet, posters and people at the search center decided she was involved so they started targeting her.  When her son ended up owning a white car and working at beehive, people started going to the police and causing one hell of a commotion.  It is all bs... I was sitting here watching this happen, I was in contact with some of the people doing it.  It all got out of hand and became a dang board war of posters. 

its not that I just HEAR things from someone there, I was right in the middle of this mess myself.  In fact, I am pretty much responsible for having her out there running around acting weird.  I "KNOW" what happened, it is not just what she tells me, I was right there with her doing it from this side of the net.  And it ended up making her look like she was involved in hiding something. 

I even had a poster tell me they thought Kona was using me because she wanted lindsey's body found because she felt bad so she was leading me all over the place giving me clues so I would find lindsey's body... They believe Kona knew lindsey was dead and was using me to make her "surface".  This is what people were thinking... so they could not figure out who kona new all this stuff, and kept ending up in the places LE had been looking for Lindsey.  they believed Kona knew where her body is.  The believed she was using me to have her found without her having to say it.  This is so ridiculous.  I am the one telling kona where I wanted her to go look for things.  she is the one I would ask about local areas I had in mind and see if the area was anything I assumed it was.  she was out taking photos of where you go off the road to get to the areas I wanted to pass on to the searchers to search and I need detailed directions how to get to where I was thinking.  so what better way than to have someone take pictures of the gates where you go in or where the trails leave the road etc.  that way there would be no mistaking where I meant when I was passing on info where I thought the searchers should search.  But instead these people thought kona was out taking photos of where she knew lindsey was.  if this was not all so sad for this family, it would be hilarious how this all got so turned around.  I am the one who was directing kona to these places, and it just so happens these are very places that LE has been looking.  then you add the white car(which doesn't match AT ALL) and the fact this kid worked at the beehive, along with ONE question he answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he had worked, the police got on him.  this thing ran rampant.  When the family tried to call le and say please come talk to us and please search our house, LE didn't answer them, rather they continued to listen to this nonsense, and finally ened up hitting their homes with search warrants... and found nothing of course... the reason I KNOW all of this, because I was sitting here watching this all happen and trying to tell people, but no one was listening and just kept on driving by her house, following her around and making up more craziness. Le was getting an earfull of crap.   So it is NOT that I just am hearing Kona's story and repeating it, I was a part of this mess that got her and her son looked at in the first place, NOT INTENTIONALLY, rather I was asking her to get out there FOR ME, and it made her look suspicious.  I had information which led me to believe Lindsey was deceased and I told KONA that, this is why she thought lindsey was deceased, NOT because she thought her son killed lindsey, but because she knew I had info that led me to believe lindsey was no longer alive.  People have this totally turned around. I feel really bad for Kona and her family... she tried so hard to help, and people took one little thing, twisted rumors about cars, then added this or that, kept telling the police, and pretty soon I guess the police were convinced and hit their house, took that car etc... now there is nothing found and the car released.  now everyone on the net is so determined this is the person... ugh.  NO it is not.  I know what happened from the beginning, I unintentionally helped to make kona and her son look suspect, because she was ending up in all the wrong places and she would not tell people who she was.  ugh.  Just a coincidence her son fits all the messed up rumors everyone ran with.  He and his car does not even fit the rumors if people would even know what the rumors describe. 

There are poeople on the net who were also working with me on this.  I am not the only one who knows what happened.  then when someone got mad, they twisted things just to be mean and ran with it.  ugh.   

so MM there is a lot of reasons people believe me, they work with me on things, they see documents etc, we tear it apart.  We get ahold of locals to back it up.  And to be honest, you don't have anything to back you up other than saying so and you are mb's friend, so of course they know you are going to defend her.  But then you are also in the background saying she changes her stories and her times are off, and you think she just made up times etc.  When you do that and say that in my chatrooms, people don't understand why you back her in the open board, but you don't when you are someone where she can read it.  This might be why people question what you say as being true or not. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 11:54:15 AM
janet-i think madre was joking around that there isn't any bombshell evidence, unless i'm missing something haha

i guess the most important stuff in there is that they were looking for the flowered print bathing suit. i'm still wondering about this.

do you guys think the flowered print bathing suit is a different bathing suit than the one she was wearing earlier in the day?  I know during the summers when i was little i used to rotate between 2-3 bathing suits.  maybe she was wearing it as underwear or something?

Thank you Sunshine12.  You were exactly right about what I was saying.  I also agree with you about the bathing suit being perplexing.  If she had it on under her clothes, was she expecting to go swimming?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 11:55:39 AM
In the search warrant it says

"Shoe print and tire print impression to include the collection of shoes and/or tires which may be similiar to those found at the crime scene"

What crime scene??  Is it standard for a search warrant to say this?

hmmm are they talking about the place lb was last seen? or maybe they mean like a future crime scene (if thats even legal)?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
Janet sometimes I sway away from written quotes and witness accounts only because I feel it is not as reliable as you do. all is good, we are thinking in two different ways.

DD thank you for explaining about the car. If this is the white car, then I agree it is a bit out of reach.

Good luck trying to figure out the rumor mill, sheesh that is a job! Get rested, you are going to need it! Thanks for all of your work

there is a lot more that makes the white car theory totally out the window, will explain that tomorrow.. I am just so tired now.  # one two girls who saw a white car described it and pointed out on the net what it looked like, nothing like his.  and besides they know who he is so if it were him they would have known it was him... so the white car is totally off, it is not the same at all.

Good Morning DD,  This part I bolded caught my eye.  Are these 2 girls Lindsey and her gf and they knew or knew who your friend's son is, or are they 2 different girls who were asked to ID his white car?  Thanks

Good Morning Scandi....

These two girls, at least one of them and I think both of them were friends of Lindsey(I will find out if the other one was lindsey's friend as well).  They had seen a white car which they were afraid of. They could not tell the make and model so someone went on the net with them and had them point out what kind of car it was which looked like the one they saw.  They identified a make and model which they say the car looked like.  This make and model looks nothing like the one the person has whose house was searched.  Also these two girls can recognize the person whose house was searched, and they know it was not him or his car.  They saw who was in the car they were afraid of, and they know it was not him. 


Since there were no signs of struggle heard, seen, and I'm assuming found..... that she didn't get put into someones white car. And I won't throw this white car completely out the window, simply because Lindsey has not been found yet and it is still a possibility. The only white car I do throw out is DG's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 01, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!

MM, I have researched documents etc to back up what I say out here, or I will say rumormill.  I know why Kona was where she was and why she was doing what she was doing, because I am the one who asked her to do it.  She was running all over acting weird because I was asking her to run all over.  She did not want anyone to make the connection between her real name and the screen name Kona, because she did not want locals to know what she was doing; her family has lived there since 1933 and they know everyone.  The perp could be anyone in that town, and being her family has lived their forever, it could be very possible the perp knows exactly who she is.  There are also locals on the net who if they put the connection together they could go tell someone she was on the net posting about this case and also looking for lindsey.  What if it is someone who knew exactly who she is and tried to do something to her.  And actually, I am not so sure that is not a lot of what happened here.  I know this people were watching her every move and turning her in as being suspicious etc.  Then they decided her son drove a white car and took all the other rumor bs and started applying it to her and her family.  Then she would not sign up and give her name at the searches, so then they were suspecting her and turned her in.  I know, because they were asking me to find out who she was so they could turn her name in.  Then it became a dang bunch of crap on the net when people were attacking her and trying to interrogate her as if she were involved because she was driving all over FOR ME.  She is one of the longest term multi-generational family there.  Who better for me to ask for help.  She knows everyone, every place, everything about everything.  And she was trying to hard to help.  Yet, posters and people at the search center decided she was involved so they started targeting her.  When her son ended up owning a white car and working at beehive, people started going to the police and causing one hell of a commotion.  It is all bs... I was sitting here watching this happen, I was in contact with some of the people doing it.  It all got out of hand and became a dang board war of posters. 

its not that I just HEAR things from someone there, I was right in the middle of this mess myself.  In fact, I am pretty much responsible for having her out there running around acting weird.  I "KNOW" what happened, it is not just what she tells me, I was right there with her doing it from this side of the net.  And it ended up making her look like she was involved in hiding something. 

I even had a poster tell me they thought Kona was using me because she wanted lindsey's body found because she felt bad so she was leading me all over the place giving me clues so I would find lindsey's body... They believe Kona knew lindsey was dead and was using me to make her "surface".  This is what people were thinking... so they could not figure out who kona new all this stuff, and kept ending up in the places LE had been looking for Lindsey.  they believed Kona knew where her body is.  The believed she was using me to have her found without her having to say it.  This is so ridiculous.  I am the one telling kona where I wanted her to go look for things.  she is the one I would ask about local areas I had in mind and see if the area was anything I assumed it was.  she was out taking photos of where you go off the road to get to the areas I wanted to pass on to the searchers to search and I need detailed directions how to get to where I was thinking.  so what better way than to have someone take pictures of the gates where you go in or where the trails leave the road etc.  that way there would be no mistaking where I meant when I was passing on info where I thought the searchers should search.  But instead these people thought kona was out taking photos of where she knew lindsey was.  if this was not all so sad for this family, it would be hilarious how this all got so turned around.  I am the one who was directing kona to these places, and it just so happens these are very places that LE has been looking.  then you add the white car(which doesn't match AT ALL) and the fact this kid worked at the beehive, along with ONE question he answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he had worked, the police got on him.  this thing ran rampant.  When the family tried to call le and say please come talk to us and please search our house, LE didn't answer them, rather they continued to listen to this nonsense, and finally ened up hitting their homes with search warrants... and found nothing of course... the reason I KNOW all of this, because I was sitting here watching this all happen and trying to tell people, but no one was listening and just kept on driving by her house, following her around and making up more craziness. Le was getting an earfull of crap.   So it is NOT that I just am hearing Kona's story and repeating it, I was a part of this mess that got her and her son looked at in the first place, NOT INTENTIONALLY, rather I was asking her to get out there FOR ME, and it made her look suspicious.  I had information which led me to believe Lindsey was deceased and I told KONA that, this is why she thought lindsey was deceased, NOT because she thought her son killed lindsey, but because she knew I had info that led me to believe lindsey was no longer alive.  People have this totally turned around. I feel really bad for Kona and her family... she tried so hard to help, and people took one little thing, twisted rumors about cars, then added this or that, kept telling the police, and pretty soon I guess the police were convinced and hit their house, took that car etc... now there is nothing found and the car released.  now everyone on the net is so determined this is the person... ugh.  NO it is not.  I know what happened from the beginning, I unintentionally helped to make kona and her son look suspect, because she was ending up in all the wrong places and she would not tell people who she was.  ugh.  Just a coincidence her son fits all the messed up rumors everyone ran with.  He and his car does not even fit the rumors if people would even know what the rumors describe. 

There are poeople on the net who were also working with me on this.  I am not the only one who knows what happened.  then when someone got mad, they twisted things just to be mean and ran with it.  ugh.   

so MM there is a lot of reasons people believe me, they work with me on things, they see documents etc, we tear it apart.  We get ahold of locals to back it up.  And to be honest, you don't have anything to back you up other than saying so and you are mb's friend, so of course they know you are going to defend her.  But then you are also in the background saying she changes her stories and her times are off, and you think she just made up times etc.  When you do that and say that in my chatrooms, people don't understand why you back her in the open board, but you don't when you are someone where she can read it.  This might be why people question what you say as being true or not. 

Thank you so much DD!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 12:11:06 PM
In the search warrant it says

"Shoe print and tire print impression to include the collection of shoes and/or tires which may be similiar to those found at the crime scene"

What crime scene??  Is it standard for a search warrant to say this?
  ::MonkeyConfused::  I have no idea, maybe DD knows?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
Ok so 2 things,,

first whomever just brought up my bf's residence,,,,, someone had gotten the streets mixed up as they sound similar but he lived on summit LAKE road in olympia, and the road in in mccleary that goes to beck is summit road

also, just want to make a point, and dont take this as any type of accusation as i like kona alot in the real world, she is a good customer,  and this actually reigns true for anyone,,,,, what is being posted by dd is coming from convos between them right,, so dd hasnt even met her, been a part of her life, and can only go off what kona tells her.  just like since i wasnt actually at mb's house when lj went missing, all i can do is repeat what i am told by her and yet half the time you guys dont believe it and rip her apart....   several of you say you arent going to believe anything but seems that you are all completely believing what dd is saying.   see where i am going with this?? again i dont think kona's involved, just a point to make!!!

MM, I have researched documents etc to back up what I say out here, or I will say rumormill.  I know why Kona was where she was and why she was doing what she was doing, because I am the one who asked her to do it.  She was running all over acting weird because I was asking her to run all over.  She did not want anyone to make the connection between her real name and the screen name Kona, because she did not want locals to know what she was doing; her family has lived there since 1933 and they know everyone.  The perp could be anyone in that town, and being her family has lived their forever, it could be very possible the perp knows exactly who she is.  There are also locals on the net who if they put the connection together they could go tell someone she was on the net posting about this case and also looking for lindsey.  What if it is someone who knew exactly who she is and tried to do something to her.  And actually, I am not so sure that is not a lot of what happened here.  I know this people were watching her every move and turning her in as being suspicious etc.  Then they decided her son drove a white car and took all the other rumor bs and started applying it to her and her family.  Then she would not sign up and give her name at the searches, so then they were suspecting her and turned her in.  I know, because they were asking me to find out who she was so they could turn her name in.  Then it became a dang bunch of crap on the net when people were attacking her and trying to interrogate her as if she were involved because she was driving all over FOR ME.  She is one of the longest term multi-generational family there.  Who better for me to ask for help.  She knows everyone, every place, everything about everything.  And she was trying to hard to help.  Yet, posters and people at the search center decided she was involved so they started targeting her.  When her son ended up owning a white car and working at beehive, people started going to the police and causing one hell of a commotion.  It is all bs... I was sitting here watching this happen, I was in contact with some of the people doing it.  It all got out of hand and became a dang board war of posters. 

its not that I just HEAR things from someone there, I was right in the middle of this mess myself.  In fact, I am pretty much responsible for having her out there running around acting weird.  I "KNOW" what happened, it is not just what she tells me, I was right there with her doing it from this side of the net.  And it ended up making her look like she was involved in hiding something. 

I even had a poster tell me they thought Kona was using me because she wanted lindsey's body found because she felt bad so she was leading me all over the place giving me clues so I would find lindsey's body... They believe Kona knew lindsey was dead and was using me to make her "surface".  This is what people were thinking... so they could not figure out who kona new all this stuff, and kept ending up in the places LE had been looking for Lindsey.  they believed Kona knew where her body is.  The believed she was using me to have her found without her having to say it.  This is so ridiculous.  I am the one telling kona where I wanted her to go look for things.  she is the one I would ask about local areas I had in mind and see if the area was anything I assumed it was.  she was out taking photos of where you go off the road to get to the areas I wanted to pass on to the searchers to search and I need detailed directions how to get to where I was thinking.  so what better way than to have someone take pictures of the gates where you go in or where the trails leave the road etc.  that way there would be no mistaking where I meant when I was passing on info where I thought the searchers should search.  But instead these people thought kona was out taking photos of where she knew lindsey was.  if this was not all so sad for this family, it would be hilarious how this all got so turned around.  I am the one who was directing kona to these places, and it just so happens these are very places that LE has been looking.  then you add the white car(which doesn't match AT ALL) and the fact this kid worked at the beehive, along with ONE question he answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he had worked, the police got on him.  this thing ran rampant.  When the family tried to call le and say please come talk to us and please search our house, LE didn't answer them, rather they continued to listen to this nonsense, and finally ened up hitting their homes with search warrants... and found nothing of course... the reason I KNOW all of this, because I was sitting here watching this all happen and trying to tell people, but no one was listening and just kept on driving by her house, following her around and making up more craziness. Le was getting an earfull of crap.   So it is NOT that I just am hearing Kona's story and repeating it, I was a part of this mess that got her and her son looked at in the first place, NOT INTENTIONALLY, rather I was asking her to get out there FOR ME, and it made her look suspicious.  I had information which led me to believe Lindsey was deceased and I told KONA that, this is why she thought lindsey was deceased, NOT because she thought her son killed lindsey, but because she knew I had info that led me to believe lindsey was no longer alive.  People have this totally turned around. I feel really bad for Kona and her family... she tried so hard to help, and people took one little thing, twisted rumors about cars, then added this or that, kept telling the police, and pretty soon I guess the police were convinced and hit their house, took that car etc... now there is nothing found and the car released.  now everyone on the net is so determined this is the person... ugh.  NO it is not.  I know what happened from the beginning, I unintentionally helped to make kona and her son look suspect, because she was ending up in all the wrong places and she would not tell people who she was.  ugh.  Just a coincidence her son fits all the messed up rumors everyone ran with.  He and his car does not even fit the rumors if people would even know what the rumors describe. 

There are poeople on the net who were also working with me on this.  I am not the only one who knows what happened.  then when someone got mad, they twisted things just to be mean and ran with it.  ugh.   

so MM there is a lot of reasons people believe me, they work with me on things, they see documents etc, we tear it apart.  We get ahold of locals to back it up.  And to be honest, you don't have anything to back you up other than saying so and you are mb's friend, so of course they know you are going to defend her.  But then you are also in the background saying she changes her stories and her times are off, and you think she just made up times etc.  When you do that and say that in my chatrooms, people don't understand why you back her in the open board, but you don't when you are someone where she can read it.  This might be why people question what you say as being true or not. 

Thank you DD for explaining this.  Now I understand why some locals on other boards were getting really aggressive with Kona, which at the time I didn't understand why.  I just wish that anyone from that area that knows anything that could help bring Lindsey home would tell the truth about what they know, if anything.   It's all about Lindsey.  Unfortunately, when a child goes missing, the first people you look at is her inner circle, family, last known pp. to see her, etc.  There are reasons for this, many cases  we remember.  If and when they are "cleared", then you expand outwards.  Monkeys know this and that is what they have/are doing.  In my mind, I'm not finished with that process. However, I agree with others that it can look like a cruel process.

Prayers for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 12:31:49 PM
DD wow! Now I can understand why you were so upset. Poor Kona....What a nightmare for you!

I have a question about the "white car" have the police ever found anything out about this car and driver the girls saw? Seems they would have.

MM all I can say is I trust DD because over the course of 6 months or so we have worked on more then just this case. We have gotten to know one another and shared some private things about our lives. Trust me, DD and I both circled around one another before realizing we could trust each other. I had to make sure she was who she was and not some crazy killer, lol,  and  am sure she could say the same about me. So I suppose over time when you are working with someone you grow to trust them if they prove themselves to have integrity, which I believes she has.


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 12:33:39 PM
Did the two girls who know it isn't the young man in the white car, able to give a description of the man in the car to police? And some idea what make and model of the car? And why were the two girls afraid of the man in the car, did he say something lewd to them or just look mean?

We are sharing the same brain! I read that and thought these very same things!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 12:33:51 PM
So when all is said and done ... Marilyn Lachester was not fabricating in her account regarding an unidentified/unknown person in a white vehicle who appeared to be stalking young girls.

Could it be that her other comments revealed the truth regarding the family dynamics in the Baum household?

Janet

++++++

mlachester:
 
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 12:44:14 PM
Did the two girls who know it isn't the young man in the white car, able to give a description of the man in the car to police? And some idea what make and model of the car? And why were the two girls afraid of the man in the car, did he say something lewd to them or just look mean?

We are sharing the same brain! I read that and thought these very same things!
  ::MonkeyCool:: I sure would like to know.       And thanks DD for explaining everything  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 12:48:54 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
So when all is said and done ... Marilyn Lachester was not fabricating in her account regarding an unidentified/unknown person in a white vehicle who appeared to be stalking young girls.

Could it be that her other comments revealed the truth regarding the family dynamics in the Baum household?

Janet

++++++

mlachester:
 
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


I'm just so confused about all that myself. Cause it would seem that if Lindsey were to leave with someone who was going to take her out of harms way, that she would have left under different circumstances. And what I mean by this, is that her and her friend went to the Kampen residence to see about staying the night, and with a no, she casually started going home. And I strongly feel that if she were to leave with someone who was going to take her out of harms way, that it would have been planned, instead of just a casual pickup which appears to be what happened. Especially within a time frame, where her mom knows where she is and when she is supposed to be home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 01:00:42 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

In Kona's defense, if Kona had any suspicions of her son being involved, she would have turned him in.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
Shortcake this is a difficult situation because we want LE to act upon tips and to investigate the case, however it seems this was based on information which may not have been because her and her son know anything but because DD sent her out to the places which made her look suspect. I think this is an unfortunate situation.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 01:27:40 PM

DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

Shortcake

I could be wrong but ... somehow I do not believe that any member of this family is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum and ... I do not believe that anybody is being framed.  I contend that certain actions by Kona in her "assignment" to find answers could have arouse the suspicion of others.

The LE followed up on related tips and ... then aspects of their own investigation arouse more suspicions.  A search warrant was requested by LE and granted by a sitting judge.

All i's were dotted and ... all t's were crossed.

What happened to this family was no different than many other innocent persons of interest in a criminal investigation.

Janet

+++++

ACCORDING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ... IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION ...  


KIRO TV - SEPTEMBER 28, 2009

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


DAILY WORLD - SEPTEMBER 27, 2009

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 01:38:29 PM

In Kona's defense, if Kona had any suspicions of her son being involved, she would have turned him in.

Kona and Tamikosmom are on the same page.  Our three kids while under our roof were forewarned that there were consequences for choosing to do wrong and ... their father and I would not shield them from those consequences even if our hearts were breaking.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 01:45:27 PM
So when all is said and done ... Marilyn Lachester was not fabricating in her account regarding an unidentified/unknown person in a white vehicle who appeared to be stalking young girls.

Could it be that her other comments revealed the truth regarding the family dynamics in the Baum household?

Janet

++++++

mlachester:
 
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


You choose to believe her and I do not.  Because someone uses their real name or implies that "reports" were made to LE, etc (when they were not), etc does not make them credible in my eyes.  Many people sign their names in response to articles in a newspaper.  It does not make their statements factual just because it's printed in a newspaper.  I would not base any theory I may have on someone who I have no first-hand knowledge of that they are saying is truthful when there are absolutely no facts to substantiate what they are saying -- hence, this is where research comes in and not just snipping comments.  So, if we are going to put all who have been questioned in the category as a person of interest, then you will need to add her name as well, as I am positive you know she was questioned by LE, as she said so.
On this and other issues, I respectfully disagree, however . . .
glad you had a fine dining experience for lunch, is really is always such a treat, isn't it.
 :chef:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
In the search warrant it says

"Shoe print and tire print impression to include the collection of shoes and/or tires which may be similiar to those found at the crime scene"

What crime scene??  Is it standard for a search warrant to say this?

I would rather have jessstart come over and answer this as you all trust their expertise on the legal matters.  However, I will tell you from what I know about search warrants, they like to include EVERYTHING that might turn out later to have been important.  When you file for application of search warrants you have to say what you are looking for, you can't just say you want to search the house, you have to have some specifics to be able to go in and take certain things, and if you do not add those on the application for the search warrant and if the search warrant does not state these things to be seized, then you can't take them; so search warrant are sure to have everything they can possible think of listed on them as things to look for, because if they don't list it, and they see it while there, and do not take it then, it might not be there if they have to get another warrant to come back and get it... so... to keep that from happening they list every thing they can possible think of that MIGHT be there.  It does not mean they believe all that stuff is there, it is just worded so as not to miss anything.  if you read the whole thing and go through it all you will see some things like the bathing suit is specific because they must know one is missing.  But as for weapons or things used to tie people up, bind them etc, they list anything and everything, so if they get in there and see something, they can take it.  they "blanket" list across the board all weapons that MIGHT be found, guns, knives, clubs, etc, just in case they come across some. 

some things they will know specifically were connected to lindsey, so they look for that.  like her hair or dna, it does not mean they believe it is in there, it just means they listed it so they can LOOK of it and get samples, such as vacuuming the house or collecting things they think MIGHT have something on it IF she were there. 

I dont think they really thought those cars were involved as they would be matching the tire prints on all of them.  they did not even search kona's car, they told her to drive off in it... the only car taken was her son's, so they really were not interested in any other tire prints.  and they already released the car, so does not seem that car was important to them. 

so I would not put too much into all the things listed on the search warrant.  They just were sure to cover it all just in case... but I think they most likely know now, this is all bs.

they based those search warrants on what they were TOLD, and whoever told them all that crap were totally wrong


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 02:01:33 PM
So when all is said and done ... Marilyn Lachester was not fabricating in her account regarding an unidentified/unknown person in a white vehicle who appeared to be stalking young girls.

Could it be that her other comments revealed the truth regarding the family dynamics in the Baum household?

Janet

++++++

mlachester:
 
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


all of this will be included in my white car post today... ML had "heard" about a white car, what she had said she "heard" has nothing to do with the white car these two girls saw. Lindsey is not the one who saw it, and it was no where near where anyone has said they saw it.  ML's rumor came from someone in elma.  all the white car info just spread like wildfire and went from a white vehicle not know if truck or car, to lindsey saw it, to a girl in elma was followed by it and pretty soon every white car coming up the street behind someone was being followed by a white car.  I know of two white cars which are probably true and one of them I don't know what kind.  I do knot what kind the two girls saw, etc.  I will get to this today.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 02:12:41 PM
Shortcake this is a difficult situation because we want LE to act upon tips and to investigate the case, however it seems this was based on information which may not have been because her and her son know anything but because DD sent her out to the places which made her look suspect. I think this is an unfortunate situation.


Tracygirl - I understand how you feel, but I believe the LE acted on more than just what has been posted on this board.  Everyone seems to believe Kona' son is innocent because of DD and/or Kona.  I will wait until I see the evidence revealed after testing.  Not by what someone says.  I want facts.  Releasing the car that DD says Kona's son has means nothing to me.  I am looking for facts.  I am still waiting for DD to post where Lindsey is.  DD offered to reveal the exact place to search.  I am volunteering, but DD continues to ignor me.  Post it and I will be there within hours(if it is in Western Washington).  Is it woods, beach, barn, house?  If Lindsey is in the woods and not found by Christmas, I believe she may never be found.  The culprit will get away.  Time is slipping away and the closer to the end of the year it gets, the less chance of solving this case is.  I will think for myself, not just what someone posts here, I don't care how everyone else thinks.  I hope everyone will allow me this.  I want Lindsey found whatever the outcome, just like everyone else.  I hope you understand how I feel about this case and forgive me.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 02:18:56 PM
With all do respect and I certainly do not wish to speak for DD, but maybe she doesn't have a level of trust for you? Don't know....I have no idea who you are and would not just tell anyone if I was "onto something"

I think your wanting to wait is fair enough but I am not just going on DD's word, I am going on the fact I know they would not release a car they found evidence on.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 02:19:08 PM
So when all is said and done ... Marilyn Lachester was not fabricating in her account regarding an unidentified/unknown person in a white vehicle who appeared to be stalking young girls.

Could it be that her other comments revealed the truth regarding the family dynamics in the Baum household?

Janet

++++++

mlachester:
 
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


You choose to believe her and I do not.  Because someone uses their real name or implies that "reports" were made to LE, etc (when they were not), etc does not make them credible in my eyes.  Many people sign their names in response to articles in a newspaper.  It does not make their statements factual just because it's printed in a newspaper.  I would not base any theory I may have on someone who I have no first-hand knowledge of that they are saying is truthful when there are absolutely no facts to substantiate what they are saying -- hence, this is where research comes in and not just snipping comments.  So, if we are going to put all who have been questioned in the category as a person of interest, then you will need to add her name as well, as I am positive you know she was questioned by LE, as she said so.
On this and other issues, I respectfully disagree, however . . .
glad you had a fine dining experience for lunch, is really is always such a treat, isn't it.
 :chef:

Considering her connection to Lindsey Baum ...I am relieved to learn that Marilyn LaChester has been questioned in the process of elimination in the investigation.

Sister

What foundation to you derive from in your contention that Marilyn LaChester is fabricating regarding Lindsey's relationship with her mother and brother.  What would be her motive?

My lunch experience?  I am just thankful that I did not break any of that Country Rose china or drip on that table cloth.  In my home ... Corella and placemats are where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

I don't mind at all that you would like to wait til the end of this case etc to figure out if you believe this person might be guilty of something or not.  This is how we all look at the poi's or suspects or even people arrested...sometimes we even have to wonder about actual conviction or acquitals.  OJ was acquitted and people still believe he is guilty(I have no opinion on that case, use using as example).  there are many people on death row or even executed they find out too late they were innocent.  So in any case everyone will think one way or the other, no matter what, whether it be a warrant or even a conviction.  I believe that what I KNOW about all of this, that this all happened because of a bunch of crap compiled which made this kid look like he might be involved.  This is MY belief based upon what I KNOW, not what I am told.  I know a lot more about why this happened than Kona does.  Basically, the family is totally baffled, but being I was in contact with others and because what I was looking for and because of what people were saying ( not on the net ), I believe a lot of poeole from grays harbor were looking for that white car and someone at beehive and they said oh wow that person has one, and there is his mother out there looking for things, and it all just kept piling up until the police heard so much stuff, it seemed maybe they better go look.  That is my thought on this.  It is not based on what KONA is "telling" me.  It is based on the things I KNOW about myself. 

but of course you have to keep looking because you have to tr, y to figure this out for yourself. Everyone does.  but I think people ought to at least know what I know so people can possibly understand this before they go jumping to conclusions because they don't have all the facts.  My facts are not going to be the ONLY facts, but we need them ALL, so I am giving mine also.  People can choose to consider what I am saying or they can totally disregard it when trying to put the whole picture together when coming to their own conclusion.  I just offer MY part to you, what you do with it is your choice, you can consider it, or you can ignore it.  I am putting it out here because it is something I know about that is directly involved.  I have no problem with everyone weighing all the other facts, it is not up to me what people wish to consider.  but it is up to me to say what I KNOW about.  what kind of person would I be to sit and say nothing while the person trying to help me catches hell over it.... that would be plain wrong of me.  I helped to cause this mess, not intentionally, but I sent KONA to places that made her look suspicious.  I did not know it at the time, to the point I do NOW, and who would ever suspect so many people who take rumors and try to match them to her and her son.  it just all snowballed from something very innocent. ugh.  I have to tell what I know about this, so people at least can consider it as part of this situation.  If I don't say anything (which I would NEVER let someone take the crap for this anyway) then people would go, well then why didn't you say something.  So there it is, I am saying it, and everyone will have to decide what they want to do with it.  Just as I will go through all the search warrant etc and make some more decisions about this case, but just have not had time to do it yet.  And if at any time I run across something else to make me think otherwise(which I doubt it, as I have enough to already convince me already what I think) I will be the first to go HMMMMM, and relook at it.  I'm all for getting to the bottom of it.  There is much more I know that I am not saying because it could directly affect looking for lindsey... but I am saying as much as I possibly can about all of this. 

more than willing to discuss this person with anyone and be objective.  I'm all for the truth.  I just have not had time to get in any real discussions yet, but I do look forward to it when I have time. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
My lunch experience?  I am just thankful that I did not break any of that Country Rose china or drip on that table cloth.  In my home ... Corella and placemats are where it is at.

Janet


what, no gravy on the table cloth -- girl you done good!
 ::puppy::
:smt038
(just wanted to use the new puppy)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 02:34:02 PM
Jademoff/ Shortcake or any other local Monkeys there, I am still confused as to where Lindsey was allegedly seen last.  Do you know what Don (Don & Ron radio show) was saying when he said, she was last seen right here, right here at this telephone pole on ? street (can't think of name of street right now, but the street main street 5th,6th,7th, etc, lead to?

TIA!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 02:34:08 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

In Kona's defense, if Kona had any suspicions of her son being involved, she would have turned him in.

yes she would have, and I know she would, we had some discussions about all of this, and she more than convinced me she would have. To the point she convinced me, she would not hesitate one bit to turn her kids in.  we even almost argued over what she would turn her kids in for or what I wouldn't... little things, things that meant nothing to me, but were a big deal to her.  so yes, she is not one to help her kids get out of something like this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 02:56:43 PM
Jademoff/ Shortcake or any other local Monkeys there, I am still confused as to where Lindsey was allegedly seen last.  Do you know what Don (Don & Ron radio show) was saying when he said, she was last seen right here, right here at this telephone pole on ? street (can't think of name of street right now, but the street main street 5th,6th,7th, etc, lead to?

TIA!
Madre  I do not recall, but I think the telephone poles run along Maple.  Not sure, maybe Jade knows.  I will check it out. on my next trip.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 02:57:29 PM
I don't think DD would mind me linking to this since it's on the open discussion of her forum, but I think it's very plausible that this could have happened to Lindsey.  It would also explain why I've seen so much confusion, LE being very tight-lipped (if kids are possibly involved), the appearance of apathy by some in McCleary for the first 2 months or so after Lindsey went missing, conflicting statements, eyewitnesses not (apparently) wanting to come forward to the public, etc.  I just can't get it off my mind.............

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/was-lindsey-hurt-out-in-the-woods-t1320.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 02:58:53 PM
Jademoff/ Shortcake or any other local Monkeys there, I am still confused as to where Lindsey was allegedly seen last.  Do you know what Don (Don & Ron radio show) was saying when he said, she was last seen right here, right here at this telephone pole on ? street (can't think of name of street right now, but the street main street 5th,6th,7th, etc, lead to?

TIA!

Yes, questions about telephone pole and "crime scene"
 :scratch:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
Jademoff/ Shortcake or any other local Monkeys there, I am still confused as to where Lindsey was allegedly seen last.  Do you know what Don (Don & Ron radio show) was saying when he said, she was last seen right here, right here at this telephone pole on ? street (can't think of name of street right now, but the street main street 5th,6th,7th, etc, lead to?

TIA!
Madre  I do not recall, but I think the telephone poles run along Maple.  Not sure, maybe Jade knows.  I will check it out. on my next trip.  shortcake

Yes, it was Maple.  Thank you!  Are there telephone poles right there at 5th, 6th, 7th street intersections?  If so, doesn't help, does it? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 03:12:32 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

I don't mind at all that you would like to wait til the end of this case etc to figure out if you believe this person might be guilty of something or not.  This is how we all look at the poi's or suspects or even people arrested...sometimes we even have to wonder about actual conviction or acquitals.  OJ was acquitted and people still believe he is guilty(I have no opinion on that case, use using as example).  there are many people on death row or even executed they find out too late they were innocent.  So in any case everyone will think one way or the other, no matter what, whether it be a warrant or even a conviction.  I believe that what I KNOW about all of this, that this all happened because of a bunch of crap compiled which made this kid look like he might be involved.  This is MY belief based upon what I KNOW, not what I am told.  I know a lot more about why this happened than Kona does.  Basically, the family is totally baffled, but being I was in contact with others and because what I was looking for and because of what people were saying ( not on the net ), I believe a lot of poeole from grays harbor were looking for that white car and someone at beehive and they said oh wow that person has one, and there is his mother out there looking for things, and it all just kept piling up until the police heard so much stuff, it seemed maybe they better go look.  That is my thought on this.  It is not based on what KONA is "telling" me.  It is based on the things I KNOW about myself. 

but of course you have to keep looking because you have to tr, y to figure this out for yourself. Everyone does.  but I think people ought to at least know what I know so people can possibly understand this before they go jumping to conclusions because they don't have all the facts.  My facts are not going to be the ONLY facts, but we need them ALL, so I am giving mine also.  People can choose to consider what I am saying or they can totally disregard it when trying to put the whole picture together when coming to their own conclusion.  I just offer MY part to you, what you do with it is your choice, you can consider it, or you can ignore it.  I am putting it out here because it is something I know about that is directly involved.  I have no problem with everyone weighing all the other facts, it is not up to me what people wish to consider.  but it is up to me to say what I KNOW about.  what kind of person would I be to sit and say nothing while the person trying to help me catches hell over it.... that would be plain wrong of me.  I helped to cause this mess, not intentionally, but I sent KONA to places that made her look suspicious.  I did not know it at the time, to the point I do NOW, and who would ever suspect so many people who take rumors and try to match them to her and her son.  it just all snowballed from something very innocent. ugh.  I have to tell what I know about this, so people at least can consider it as part of this situation.  If I don't say anything (which I would NEVER let someone take the crap for this anyway) then people would go, well then why didn't you say something.  So there it is, I am saying it, and everyone will have to decide what they want to do with it.  Just as I will go through all the search warrant etc and make some more decisions about this case, but just have not had time to do it yet.  And if at any time I run across something else to make me think otherwise(which I doubt it, as I have enough to already convince me already what I think) I will be the first to go HMMMMM, and relook at it.  I'm all for getting to the bottom of it.  There is much more I know that I am not saying because it could directly affect looking for lindsey... but I am saying as much as I possibly can about all of this. 

more than willing to discuss this person with anyone and be objective.  I'm all for the truth.  I just have not had time to get in any real discussions yet, but I do look forward to it when I have time. 
DD you are a very kind person.  I deserve much more criticism.  I am so frustrated in this case going unsolved.  My offer still stands, I will be your eyes and ears.  I don't care if they search my house or ask me to take a LD test.  I have nothing to hide.  I don't have much respect for lawyers(lower that whale sh##), especially after Spector, Blake, Simpson.  I feel a lot of SO's walk the streets because some attorney did a plea bargin or got them off on a technicallity, knowing well their client was guilty.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 03:19:56 PM
Shortcake this is a difficult situation because we want LE to act upon tips and to investigate the case, however it seems this was based on information which may not have been because her and her son know anything but because DD sent her out to the places which made her look suspect. I think this is an unfortunate situation.


Tracygirl - I understand how you feel, but I believe the LE acted on more than just what has been posted on this board.  Everyone seems to believe Kona' son is innocent because of DD and/or Kona.  I will wait until I see the evidence revealed after testing.  Not by what someone says.  I want facts.  Releasing the car that DD says Kona's son has means nothing to me.  I am looking for facts.  I am still waiting for DD to post where Lindsey is.  DD offered to reveal the exact place to search.  I am volunteering, but DD continues to ignor me.  Post it and I will be there within hours(if it is in Western Washington).  Is it woods, beach, barn, house?  If Lindsey is in the woods and not found by Christmas, I believe she may never be found.  The culprit will get away.  Time is slipping away and the closer to the end of the year it gets, the less chance of solving this case is.  I will think for myself, not just what someone posts here, I don't care how everyone else thinks.  I hope everyone will allow me this.  I want Lindsey found whatever the outcome, just like everyone else.  I hope you understand how I feel about this case and forgive me.  shortcake

shortcake;  I beleive you have every right to think what you like and voice your opinion and give your reasons why.  I see you doing that in a respectful and reasoning manner, and I believe you should not be attacked nor silenced from discussing the other side to whatever it is someone else is saying.  My only problem is when people start being obnoxious and nasty and trying to do things behind another posters back for the sake of trashing them or causing them to be quiet.  I would hope everyone here would consider any of your opinions or research as well, put them together and figure it all out for themself.  And in the process you bring something to my attention I do not know about, I will be the first to go research it and post what I think about it, pro or con to what I personally have stated before.  Hopefully, everyone will give everyone that abililty and consideration.  if someone came to me right now and emailed me they knew this or that I would go look, and if by chance I found myself to be wrong, I would say that too.  However, at this time I have to defend my position on this. 

as for searching for lindsey and where I think she might be.  someone has listened, more than one someone, finally, and people are searching.  So that is being taken care of.  If at any time I think it isn't, I will start posting it out on the board.  Right now I believe it is being taken care of, so no need for me to do that now.  I do know they have to hurry up and find her or they might never.  This has been my concern all along.  I just hope it is already not too late.  And remember, if I told you where to go, your house might be searched next when you showed up there  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 03:28:21 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 

sure they have info and if someone saw a car or someone else around they should investigate.  if the witness saw this particular person why wait 3 months to investigate it?  and he has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night.  so for the sake of saying maybe a witness said they saw him or his car, there are 8 people who say this is impossible.  And also I believe if this were the case(a witness seeing him ) I doubt the police would wait 3 months to go see if she were there or anything belonging to her was there( they likelihood of anything or her still being there after 3 months is pretty much zilch as to compared if they went when the witness told them).  this is my personal reasoning.  but more than happy to hear yours.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 01, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

I don't mind at all that you would like to wait til the end of this case etc to figure out if you believe this person might be guilty of something or not.  This is how we all look at the poi's or suspects or even people arrested...sometimes we even have to wonder about actual conviction or acquitals.  OJ was acquitted and people still believe he is guilty(I have no opinion on that case, use using as example).  there are many people on death row or even executed they find out too late they were innocent.  So in any case everyone will think one way or the other, no matter what, whether it be a warrant or even a conviction.  I believe that what I KNOW about all of this, that this all happened because of a bunch of crap compiled which made this kid look like he might be involved.  This is MY belief based upon what I KNOW, not what I am told.  I know a lot more about why this happened than Kona does.  Basically, the family is totally baffled, but being I was in contact with others and because what I was looking for and because of what people were saying ( not on the net ), I believe a lot of poeole from grays harbor were looking for that white car and someone at beehive and they said oh wow that person has one, and there is his mother out there looking for things, and it all just kept piling up until the police heard so much stuff, it seemed maybe they better go look.  That is my thought on this.  It is not based on what KONA is "telling" me.  It is based on the things I KNOW about myself. 

but of course you have to keep looking because you have to tr, y to figure this out for yourself. Everyone does.  but I think people ought to at least know what I know so people can possibly understand this before they go jumping to conclusions because they don't have all the facts.  My facts are not going to be the ONLY facts, but we need them ALL, so I am giving mine also.  People can choose to consider what I am saying or they can totally disregard it when trying to put the whole picture together when coming to their own conclusion.  I just offer MY part to you, what you do with it is your choice, you can consider it, or you can ignore it.  I am putting it out here because it is something I know about that is directly involved.  I have no problem with everyone weighing all the other facts, it is not up to me what people wish to consider.  but it is up to me to say what I KNOW about.  what kind of person would I be to sit and say nothing while the person trying to help me catches hell over it.... that would be plain wrong of me.  I helped to cause this mess, not intentionally, but I sent KONA to places that made her look suspicious.  I did not know it at the time, to the point I do NOW, and who would ever suspect so many people who take rumors and try to match them to her and her son.  it just all snowballed from something very innocent. ugh.  I have to tell what I know about this, so people at least can consider it as part of this situation.  If I don't say anything (which I would NEVER let someone take the crap for this anyway) then people would go, well then why didn't you say something.  So there it is, I am saying it, and everyone will have to decide what they want to do with it.  Just as I will go through all the search warrant etc and make some more decisions about this case, but just have not had time to do it yet.  And if at any time I run across something else to make me think otherwise(which I doubt it, as I have enough to already convince me already what I think) I will be the first to go HMMMMM, and relook at it.  I'm all for getting to the bottom of it.  There is much more I know that I am not saying because it could directly affect looking for lindsey... but I am saying as much as I possibly can about all of this. 

more than willing to discuss this person with anyone and be objective.  I'm all for the truth.  I just have not had time to get in any real discussions yet, but I do look forward to it when I have time. 
DD you are a very kind person.  I deserve much more criticism.  I am so frustrated in this case going unsolved.  My offer still stands, I will be your eyes and ears.  I don't care if they search my house or ask me to take a LD test.  I have nothing to hide.  I don't have much respect for lawyers(lower that whale sh##), especially after Spector, Blake, Simpson.  I feel a lot of SO's walk the streets because some attorney did a plea bargin or got them off on a technicallity, knowing well their client was guilty.  shortcake
dd i need you to read the email i forwarded to u . i also have something to talk to u about ERGENT kinda don't know what to do with some info i have.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 01, 2009, 03:43:57 PM
DD I have to leave in a half hour. Its very ergent you read the email from me and respond. Please I dont care if some chance someone will search my home for talking to you. Unless my info is meaningless because u already know who has lindsey. then i understand. Blessings Me


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 01, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
I haven't been posting here much lately, but I have been reading along when I can. I just wanted to say that I cannot search for Lindsey, or I would be one of the ones out there. What I can do is to pray for all the searchers, and for the people that have put themselves "out there" and are working so hard for Lindsey. I do believe in the power of prayer. I do not know if it means anything that I am praying, and I know I am not the only one.

DD is right. It is imperative to find Lindsey before the snow and winter comes. It comes quickly up in Washington State. It is a beautiful place, and such an awful thing to think such a thing could happen to a precious life in a glorious place that is gift from God.

I have a new candle, and have lit it for Lindsey. I am praying.  ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 04:03:32 PM
DD- I must respectfully disagree with you.  The release of the car means nothing to me(you know why).  Processing evidence will take many weeks(maybe even months) and so this person you defend is and will probably remain a poi for ever.  I feel this search was proper in this case.  LE go by tips.  Kona took the risk of looking suspicious when he/she accepted your assignment.  Now you defend Kona, because of what?  Are you believing Kona(hearsay) or do you have facts or other sources to back up your belief in the innocence of anyone in the family.  I would hope you are not going by what Kona says.  This person is involved, what would you think they would do?  I think once you become a poi, always a poi.  Remember Gary Ridgefield and the Green River killer case? Did anyone in this family volunteer and take a polygraph test?  I am pretty sure one was asked.   No, I can not rule out this person so quickly.  Looks like the same thing happened here as what happened to the caretaker at the ORV Park.  I am sure he is still a poi.  Neither will come off the list until this case is solved.  I refuse to believe this was some big frame-up from the Judge all the way down.  I will wait until all the gathered evidence is processed and LE publicly rules this suspect out.  Now throw nannas at me.  Sorry JMO. shortcake

I don't mind at all that you would like to wait til the end of this case etc to figure out if you believe this person might be guilty of something or not.  This is how we all look at the poi's or suspects or even people arrested...sometimes we even have to wonder about actual conviction or acquitals.  OJ was acquitted and people still believe he is guilty(I have no opinion on that case, use using as example).  there are many people on death row or even executed they find out too late they were innocent.  So in any case everyone will think one way or the other, no matter what, whether it be a warrant or even a conviction.  I believe that what I KNOW about all of this, that this all happened because of a bunch of crap compiled which made this kid look like he might be involved.  This is MY belief based upon what I KNOW, not what I am told.  I know a lot more about why this happened than Kona does.  Basically, the family is totally baffled, but being I was in contact with others and because what I was looking for and because of what people were saying ( not on the net ), I believe a lot of poeole from grays harbor were looking for that white car and someone at beehive and they said oh wow that person has one, and there is his mother out there looking for things, and it all just kept piling up until the police heard so much stuff, it seemed maybe they better go look.  That is my thought on this.  It is not based on what KONA is "telling" me.  It is based on the things I KNOW about myself. 

but of course you have to keep looking because you have to tr, y to figure this out for yourself. Everyone does.  but I think people ought to at least know what I know so people can possibly understand this before they go jumping to conclusions because they don't have all the facts.  My facts are not going to be the ONLY facts, but we need them ALL, so I am giving mine also.  People can choose to consider what I am saying or they can totally disregard it when trying to put the whole picture together when coming to their own conclusion.  I just offer MY part to you, what you do with it is your choice, you can consider it, or you can ignore it.  I am putting it out here because it is something I know about that is directly involved.  I have no problem with everyone weighing all the other facts, it is not up to me what people wish to consider.  but it is up to me to say what I KNOW about.  what kind of person would I be to sit and say nothing while the person trying to help me catches hell over it.... that would be plain wrong of me.  I helped to cause this mess, not intentionally, but I sent KONA to places that made her look suspicious.  I did not know it at the time, to the point I do NOW, and who would ever suspect so many people who take rumors and try to match them to her and her son.  it just all snowballed from something very innocent. ugh.  I have to tell what I know about this, so people at least can consider it as part of this situation.  If I don't say anything (which I would NEVER let someone take the crap for this anyway) then people would go, well then why didn't you say something.  So there it is, I am saying it, and everyone will have to decide what they want to do with it.  Just as I will go through all the search warrant etc and make some more decisions about this case, but just have not had time to do it yet.  And if at any time I run across something else to make me think otherwise(which I doubt it, as I have enough to already convince me already what I think) I will be the first to go HMMMMM, and relook at it.  I'm all for getting to the bottom of it.  There is much more I know that I am not saying because it could directly affect looking for lindsey... but I am saying as much as I possibly can about all of this. 

more than willing to discuss this person with anyone and be objective.  I'm all for the truth.  I just have not had time to get in any real discussions yet, but I do look forward to it when I have time. 
DD you are a very kind person.  I deserve much more criticism.  I am so frustrated in this case going unsolved.  My offer still stands, I will be your eyes and ears.  I don't care if they search my house or ask me to take a LD test.  I have nothing to hide.  I don't have much respect for lawyers(lower that whale sh##), especially after Spector, Blake, Simpson.  I feel a lot of SO's walk the streets because some attorney did a plea bargin or got them off on a technicallity, knowing well their client was guilty.  shortcake
dd i need you to read the email i forwarded to u . i also have something to talk to u about ERGENT kinda don't know what to do with some info i have.

checking email and you know where to find me to talk.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 04:14:16 PM
I haven't been posting here much lately, but I have been reading along when I can. I just wanted to say that I cannot search for Lindsey, or I would be one of the ones out there. What I can do is to pray for all the searchers, and for the people that have put themselves "out there" and are working so hard for Lindsey. I do believe in the power of prayer. I do not know if it means anything that I am praying, and I know I am not the only one.

DD is right. It is imperative to find Lindsey before the snow and winter comes. It comes quickly up in Washington State. It is a beautiful place, and such an awful thing to think such a thing could happen to a precious life in a glorious place that is gift from God.

I have a new candle, and have lit it for Lindsey. I am praying.  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

Me too, Fanny ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 04:16:36 PM
DD I have to leave in a half hour. Its very ergent you read the email from me and respond. Please I dont care if some chance someone will search my home for talking to you. Unless my info is meaningless because u already know who has lindsey. then i understand. Blessings Me

I read it, waiting for you, but got on board late today, so maybe you are already gone by time i read this.

I DO NOT KNOW where lindsey is. 

get ahold of me when you get back, I read it.  I told you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 04:23:08 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 

sure they have info and if someone saw a car or someone else around they should investigate.  if the witness saw this particular person why wait 3 months to investigate it?  and he has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night.  so for the sake of saying maybe a witness said they saw him or his car, there are 8 people who say this is impossible.  And also I believe if this were the case(a witness seeing him ) I doubt the police would wait 3 months to go see if she were there or anything belonging to her was there( they likelihood of anything or her still being there after 3 months is pretty much zilch as to compared if they went when the witness told them).  this is my personal reasoning.  but more than happy to hear yours.
DD, Reading between the lines, you posted  - one question(Kona's son) answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he worked.  My question-is the night he was questioned about the same night Lindsey went missing?  Now 8 whitnesses remember where he was and he didn't remember?  That would send up red flags all over.  Hope it was not a party.  I am  confused about what night the LE asked about, but I know you have the answere and can set me straight.  Any other night would be another clue of something the LE is holding back.  I just know I know exactly where I was that night and I don't even live in McCleary.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 04:26:38 PM
I haven't been posting here much lately, but I have been reading along when I can. I just wanted to say that I cannot search for Lindsey, or I would be one of the ones out there. What I can do is to pray for all the searchers, and for the people that have put themselves "out there" and are working so hard for Lindsey. I do believe in the power of prayer. I do not know if it means anything that I am praying, and I know I am not the only one.

DD is right. It is imperative to find Lindsey before the snow and winter comes. It comes quickly up in Washington State. It is a beautiful place, and such an awful thing to think such a thing could happen to a precious life in a glorious place that is gift from God.

I have a new candle, and have lit it for Lindsey. I am praying.  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

I have highlighted above.  It means everything to me that you are praying.  We don't all have the same gifts or are not all called to use the same ones each time.  Some of us are prayer warriors... some of us just do what we have to do, and hopefully everyone just does whatever it is they are called to do; if not, someone is out here all alone, and gets might hard if that happens.

I do appreciate your prayers and I do hope you are remembering ME in there, as I am running out of strength here, ugh.  So if I might request it, please just pray for "strength for me to keep going"... I'll never keep this up on my own.  Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
DD I have to leave in a half hour. Its very ergent you read the email from me and respond. Please I dont care if some chance someone will search my home for talking to you. Unless my info is meaningless because u already know who has lindsey. then i understand. Blessings Me

I read it, waiting for you, but got on board late today, so maybe you are already gone by time i read this.

I DO NOT KNOW where lindsey is. 

get ahold of me when you get back, I read it.  I told you.
I understand what you are saying, and I have read all your posts, and many on your site. You have a very strong feeling where Lindsey is at I take, and the urgency is to find her before winter I'm assuming, or the urgency to find her before the person that has her kills her. I personally feel that Lindsey is no longer alive, imo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 04:29:32 PM
DD, I will pray for you to have the strength to carry on, you are very much appreciated  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
I haven't been posting here much lately, but I have been reading along when I can. I just wanted to say that I cannot search for Lindsey, or I would be one of the ones out there. What I can do is to pray for all the searchers, and for the people that have put themselves "out there" and are working so hard for Lindsey. I do believe in the power of prayer. I do not know if it means anything that I am praying, and I know I am not the only one.

DD is right. It is imperative to find Lindsey before the snow and winter comes. It comes quickly up in Washington State. It is a beautiful place, and such an awful thing to think such a thing could happen to a precious life in a glorious place that is gift from God.

I have a new candle, and have lit it for Lindsey. I am praying.  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

I have highlighted above.  It means everything to me that you are praying.  We don't all have the same gifts or are not all called to use the same ones each time.  Some of us are prayer warriors... some of us just do what we have to do, and hopefully everyone just does whatever it is they are called to do; if not, someone is out here all alone, and gets might hard if that happens.

I do appreciate your prayers and I do hope you are remembering ME in there, as I am running out of strength here, ugh.  So if I might request it, please just pray for "strength for me to keep going"... I'll never keep this up on my own.  Thanks

My prayers are coming your way too DD ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 01, 2009, 04:53:11 PM
hey dd im here for another 20 min


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 04:54:57 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 

sure they have info and if someone saw a car or someone else around they should investigate.  if the witness saw this particular person why wait 3 months to investigate it?  and he has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night.  so for the sake of saying maybe a witness said they saw him or his car, there are 8 people who say this is impossible.  And also I believe if this were the case(a witness seeing him ) I doubt the police would wait 3 months to go see if she were there or anything belonging to her was there( they likelihood of anything or her still being there after 3 months is pretty much zilch as to compared if they went when the witness told them).  this is my personal reasoning.  but more than happy to hear yours.
DD, Reading between the lines, you posted  - one question(Kona's son) answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he worked.  My question-is the night he was questioned about the same night Lindsey went missing?  Now 8 whitnesses remember where he was and he didn't remember?  That would send up red flags all over.  Hope it was not a party.  I am  confused about what night the LE asked about, but I know you have the answere and can set me straight.  Any other night would be another clue of something the LE is holding back.  I just know I know exactly where I was that night and I don't even live in McCleary.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

it is my understanding this is how this happened( I will ask again to find out for sure)... he works(or did) two jobs. He was asleep and le called to ask him something about where he was at a certain day.  He works (or did) two jobs, and half asleep he said something to them having to do with one of the jobs.  Later after he woke up and went to work, he was thinking about what they had asked him and what he had said to them and  he realized it was not the right date he was at whatever job he told them.  So le was notified right off and told the right info.  It seemed like no big deal.  I can easily see that happening... but.. if it raises a red flag with YOU, then maybe that is the same reason it raised a flag with the police.  And it is my understanding what started it all.  It is not like he answered wrong and then got caught lying, and they asked him again later etc and he changed his story.  He is the one who immediately got it corrected that same day. He was not even awake when he talked to him.  His mother woke him up and handed him the phone, and it just said something while half asleep.  My husband answers me all the time and doesn't even know what he is answering me about.  LOL.  if I thought he was lying everytime he did that, I would think he was the biggest liar on the face of this earth.  So to me is it not any big deal... but because it is to you, maybe now we can see why LE thought it was too.  we just think differently about what people blurt out when half asleep and not paying attention.  As soon as he was awake and thought about it, he realized he hadn't made any sense on the phone, so he got the right answer to them immediately. 

you ever see the cops on the witness stand... they are always saying, can I refer to my notes?  they say yes, then they read it, and then they answer.  And they are wide awake and alert in a court of law and still can't answer.  It happens... people mumble stuff in their sleep when asked.  But if this makes this kid guilty, gee, what about all the rest of the people in this case who can't remember.  And they were not even asked when asleep, and their stories keep changing over and over and over.  yet the police are not searching their houses.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 04:56:02 PM
hey dd im here for another 20 min

check your email I will tell you where to talk to me


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 01, 2009, 04:58:06 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 

sure they have info and if someone saw a car or someone else around they should investigate.  if the witness saw this particular person why wait 3 months to investigate it?  and he has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night.  so for the sake of saying maybe a witness said they saw him or his car, there are 8 people who say this is impossible.  And also I believe if this were the case(a witness seeing him ) I doubt the police would wait 3 months to go see if she were there or anything belonging to her was there( they likelihood of anything or her still being there after 3 months is pretty much zilch as to compared if they went when the witness told them).  this is my personal reasoning.  but more than happy to hear yours.
DD, Reading between the lines, you posted  - one question(Kona's son) answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he worked.  My question-is the night he was questioned about the same night Lindsey went missing?  Now 8 whitnesses remember where he was and he didn't remember?  That would send up red flags all over.  Hope it was not a party.  I am  confused about what night the LE asked about, but I know you have the answere and can set me straight.  Any other night would be another clue of something the LE is holding back.  I just know I know exactly where I was that night and I don't even live in McCleary.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

it is my understanding this is how this happened( I will ask again to find out for sure)... he works(or did) two jobs. He was asleep and le called to ask him something about where he was at a certain day.  He works (or did) two jobs, and half asleep he said something to them having to do with one of the jobs.  Later after he woke up and went to work, he was thinking about what they had asked him and what he had said to them and  he realized it was not the right date he was at whatever job he told them.  So le was notified right off and told the right info.  It seemed like no big deal.  I can easily see that happening... but.. if it raises a red flag with YOU, then maybe that is the same reason it raised a flag with the police.  And it is my understanding what started it all.  It is not like he answered wrong and then got caught lying, and they asked him again later etc and he changed his story.  He is the one who immediately got it corrected that same day. He was not even awake when he talked to him.  His mother woke him up and handed him the phone, and it just said something while half asleep.  My husband answers me all the time and doesn't even know what he is answering me about.  LOL.  if I thought he was lying everytime he did that, I would think he was the biggest liar on the face of this earth.  So to me is it not any big deal... but because it is to you, maybe now we can see why LE thought it was too.  we just think differently about what people blurt out when half asleep and not paying attention.  As soon as he was awake and thought about it, he realized he hadn't made any sense on the phone, so he got the right answer to them immediately. 

you ever see the cops on the witness stand... they are always saying, can I refer to my notes?  they say yes, then they read it, and then they answer.  And they are wide awake and alert in a court of law and still can't answer.  It happens... people mumble stuff in their sleep when asked.  But if this makes this kid guilty, gee, what about all the rest of the people in this case who can't remember.  And they were not even asked when asleep, and their stories keep changing over and over and over.  yet the police are not searching their houses.   

Yes i was just in court and saw this exact thing happen. Cops testimony thrown out because he lied or didnt recall correctly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 05:06:18 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 

sure they have info and if someone saw a car or someone else around they should investigate.  if the witness saw this particular person why wait 3 months to investigate it?  and he has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night.  so for the sake of saying maybe a witness said they saw him or his car, there are 8 people who say this is impossible.  And also I believe if this were the case(a witness seeing him ) I doubt the police would wait 3 months to go see if she were there or anything belonging to her was there( they likelihood of anything or her still being there after 3 months is pretty much zilch as to compared if they went when the witness told them).  this is my personal reasoning.  but more than happy to hear yours.
DD, Reading between the lines, you posted  - one question(Kona's son) answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he worked.  My question-is the night he was questioned about the same night Lindsey went missing?  Now 8 whitnesses remember where he was and he didn't remember?  That would send up red flags all over.  Hope it was not a party.  I am  confused about what night the LE asked about, but I know you have the answere and can set me straight.  Any other night would be another clue of something the LE is holding back.  I just know I know exactly where I was that night and I don't even live in McCleary.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

it is my understanding this is how this happened( I will ask again to find out for sure)... he works(or did) two jobs. He was asleep and le called to ask him something about where he was at a certain day.  He works (or did) two jobs, and half asleep he said something to them having to do with one of the jobs.  Later after he woke up and went to work, he was thinking about what they had asked him and what he had said to them and  he realized it was not the right date he was at whatever job he told them.  So le was notified right off and told the right info.  It seemed like no big deal.  I can easily see that happening... but.. if it raises a red flag with YOU, then maybe that is the same reason it raised a flag with the police.  And it is my understanding what started it all.  It is not like he answered wrong and then got caught lying, and they asked him again later etc and he changed his story.  He is the one who immediately got it corrected that same day. He was not even awake when he talked to him.  His mother woke him up and handed him the phone, and it just said something while half asleep.  My husband answers me all the time and doesn't even know what he is answering me about.  LOL.  if I thought he was lying everytime he did that, I would think he was the biggest liar on the face of this earth.  So to me is it not any big deal... but because it is to you, maybe now we can see why LE thought it was too.  we just think differently about what people blurt out when half asleep and not paying attention.  As soon as he was awake and thought about it, he realized he hadn't made any sense on the phone, so he got the right answer to them immediately. 

you ever see the cops on the witness stand... they are always saying, can I refer to my notes?  they say yes, then they read it, and then they answer.  And they are wide awake and alert in a court of law and still can't answer.  It happens... people mumble stuff in their sleep when asked.  But if this makes this kid guilty, gee, what about all the rest of the people in this case who can't remember.  And they were not even asked when asleep, and their stories keep changing over and over and over.  yet the police are not searching their houses.   
Thanks DD, but you seem to be dancing around the question.  What night did they ask him about?  Was it the night Lindsey went missing?  I feel it is very important.  Even if it is any other night.  Saying I was sleepy and gave the wrong answere.  Sorry that dog don't hunt.  Police are asking me questions, I wake up fast.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 05:09:56 PM
Which is it?

Janet.
_____

KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 01, 2009, 05:10:31 PM
dd GO WHERE U TOLD ME TO GO oops caps i wasnt yelling .. no more commenting here for a minute  lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?
::MonkeyEek:: on the bolded above....can't help myself.
Mr Bentley is the Mayor but I have no clue who he is.
Do you know if Mr Self has a relative(son?)named Ricky?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
so, since the cops were able to keep lindsey's bathing suit quiet, i wonder what else they are keeping close to their vest?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 05:22:21 PM
Did the two girls who know it isn't the young man in the white car, able to give a description of the man in the car to police? And some idea what make and model of the car? And why were the two girls afraid of the man in the car, did he say something lewd to them or just look mean?
DD,can you tell us what make and model of white car the 2 girls were leary of please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 01, 2009, 05:22:23 PM
I haven't been posting here much lately, but I have been reading along when I can. I just wanted to say that I cannot search for Lindsey, or I would be one of the ones out there. What I can do is to pray for all the searchers, and for the people that have put themselves "out there" and are working so hard for Lindsey. I do believe in the power of prayer. I do not know if it means anything that I am praying, and I know I am not the only one.

DD is right. It is imperative to find Lindsey before the snow and winter comes. It comes quickly up in Washington State. It is a beautiful place, and such an awful thing to think such a thing could happen to a precious life in a glorious place that is gift from God.

I have a new candle, and have lit it for Lindsey. I am praying.  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

I have highlighted above.  It means everything to me that you are praying.  We don't all have the same gifts or are not all called to use the same ones each time.  Some of us are prayer warriors... some of us just do what we have to do, and hopefully everyone just does whatever it is they are called to do; if not, someone is out here all alone, and gets might hard if that happens.

I do appreciate your prayers and I do hope you are remembering ME in there, as I am running out of strength here, ugh.  So if I might request it, please just pray for "strength for me to keep going"... I'll never keep this up on my own.  Thanks
DD, You are forever in my heart and in my prayers. I included you in the searchers, but I do say I will pray for you even harder. Stay strong....stay strong....sometimes it is darkest before the light.  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 05:35:49 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::
  ::MonkeyEek:: May I ask why you are excited about this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 01, 2009, 05:36:42 PM
dd sorry waited for half hour got to go hope everythings ok


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 05:38:53 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::

you are entitled to your opinion.  i dont really know what the holes are if 8 people confirmed his alibi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
DD- do you know if the person in the car was someone these girls had recognized? maybe they didnt know his name but do you think it was someone they had seen around town before?

I will answer the whole car thing all at once, give me a bit of time.  I will do that today...
DD - I am very suspect and offer this.  Is it not possible that one of the unknown witnesses seen more than just Lindsey?  Maybe a car?  Should not the LE investigate a possible suspect.  I believe the LE have more information that they have not released(remember bathing suit)?  Just trying to look at the big picture.  shortcake 

sure they have info and if someone saw a car or someone else around they should investigate.  if the witness saw this particular person why wait 3 months to investigate it?  and he has at least 8 witnesses who know exactly where he was that night.  so for the sake of saying maybe a witness said they saw him or his car, there are 8 people who say this is impossible.  And also I believe if this were the case(a witness seeing him ) I doubt the police would wait 3 months to go see if she were there or anything belonging to her was there( they likelihood of anything or her still being there after 3 months is pretty much zilch as to compared if they went when the witness told them).  this is my personal reasoning.  but more than happy to hear yours.
DD, Reading between the lines, you posted  - one question(Kona's son) answered wrong and then corrected the very next day when he realized he was mistaken about what day he worked.  My question-is the night he was questioned about the same night Lindsey went missing?  Now 8 whitnesses remember where he was and he didn't remember?  That would send up red flags all over.  Hope it was not a party.  I am  confused about what night the LE asked about, but I know you have the answere and can set me straight.  Any other night would be another clue of something the LE is holding back.  I just know I know exactly where I was that night and I don't even live in McCleary.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

it is my understanding this is how this happened( I will ask again to find out for sure)... he works(or did) two jobs. He was asleep and le called to ask him something about where he was at a certain day.  He works (or did) two jobs, and half asleep he said something to them having to do with one of the jobs.  Later after he woke up and went to work, he was thinking about what they had asked him and what he had said to them and  he realized it was not the right date he was at whatever job he told them.  So le was notified right off and told the right info.  It seemed like no big deal.  I can easily see that happening... but.. if it raises a red flag with YOU, then maybe that is the same reason it raised a flag with the police.  And it is my understanding what started it all.  It is not like he answered wrong and then got caught lying, and they asked him again later etc and he changed his story.  He is the one who immediately got it corrected that same day. He was not even awake when he talked to him.  His mother woke him up and handed him the phone, and it just said something while half asleep.  My husband answers me all the time and doesn't even know what he is answering me about.  LOL.  if I thought he was lying everytime he did that, I would think he was the biggest liar on the face of this earth.  So to me is it not any big deal... but because it is to you, maybe now we can see why LE thought it was too.  we just think differently about what people blurt out when half asleep and not paying attention.  As soon as he was awake and thought about it, he realized he hadn't made any sense on the phone, so he got the right answer to them immediately. 

you ever see the cops on the witness stand... they are always saying, can I refer to my notes?  they say yes, then they read it, and then they answer.  And they are wide awake and alert in a court of law and still can't answer.  It happens... people mumble stuff in their sleep when asked.  But if this makes this kid guilty, gee, what about all the rest of the people in this case who can't remember.  And they were not even asked when asleep, and their stories keep changing over and over and over.  yet the police are not searching their houses.   
Thanks DD, but you seem to be dancing around the question.  What night did they ask him about?  Was it the night Lindsey went missing?  I feel it is very important.  Even if it is any other night.  Saying I was sleepy and gave the wrong answere.  Sorry that dog don't hunt.  Police are asking me questions, I wake up fast.  shortcake

I am definitely NOT dancing around any questions.  This was explained me one time.  I don't want to be saying something I was not told, and I said I would find out for sure.  Which I will do.  But if people are going to start saying I am dancing around questions or that if people start twisting what I say.  I just will quit discussing it. I'm not on the witness stand here.  I have no reason to dance or lie either.  I told you what I knew, I can't tell you something I do not know.  If you think I'm trying to hide something, call the police and have me searched too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 05:41:20 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::


Just trying to keep up with you here, can you please point out what holes in his aliby you are referring to?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 05:42:34 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::
  ::MonkeyEek:: May I ask why you are excited about this?
Of course.  Sounds like the LE are making progress in this case.  Don't you want to know where she is?  I sure do.  After two months of nothing, something, even a suspect.  This is good news.  JMO shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 05:47:28 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::
  ::MonkeyEek:: May I ask why you are excited about this?
Of course.  Sounds like the LE are making progress in this case.  Don't you want to know where she is?  I sure do.  After two months of nothing, something, even a suspect.  This is good news.  JMO shortcake

Perhaps I missed something, but I haven't heard them say they had a suspect, just a POI???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 05:52:06 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::

There are NO HOLES in his alibi whatsoever.  when the news says he was working at the beehive at the time of lindsey missing, they mean he was employed there, so was everyone else who was employed there and they are were asked questions too.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 05:53:22 PM
Updated Sep 29, 2009 - 8:07 pm
Person of interest in girl's disappearance


Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsey Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 05:53:30 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 05:55:16 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::


Just trying to keep up with you here, can you please point out what holes in his aliby you are referring to?

Sorry, I may be jumping ahead of myself, but according to DD, Kona's son gave a wrong answere as to what he was doing some night in question.  If it was the Friday night Lindsy went missing(nobody seems to remember that important detail), than I say he lied.  I am sure he knows exactly where is was that night.  You could count on one hand the number of people in McCleary who do not remember where they were that night .  Remember this was their 9/11.  JMO shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 05:55:58 PM
Did the two girls who know it isn't the young man in the white car, able to give a description of the man in the car to police? And some idea what make and model of the car? And why were the two girls afraid of the man in the car, did he say something lewd to them or just look mean?
DD,can you tell us what make and model of white car the 2 girls were leary of please?

I really probably shouldn't... because if I do, the person will know they saw them and also it could endanger the two girls. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 05:56:16 PM
dd-will you be in your chat room tonight? i wanted to ask you a question if possible


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::

What are the holes -- the word hole with the s on it?  I'm aware of the "hole" about the question he clarified, and the other hole or holes is . . .
And the happy dance is because . . . there is a person of interest . . . well, according to the published reports, people of interest are people who know anything at all about Lindsey, and not necessarily about her disappearance.  Now I'm really dancing.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::


Just trying to keep up with you here, can you please point out what holes in his aliby you are referring to?

Sorry, I may be jumping ahead of myself, but according to DD, Kona's son gave a wrong answere as to what he was doing some night in question.  If it was the Friday night Lindsy went missing(nobody seems to remember that important detail), than I say he lied.  I am sure he knows exactly where is was that night.  You could count on one hand the number of people in McCleary who do not remember where they were that night .  Remember this was their 9/11.  JMO shortcake

well I believe the people who KNOW where he was.  now if it was only his mother saying he was somewhere then I might not believe it, but even the neighbors lied?  why would they?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 06:02:44 PM
dd-will you be in your chat room tonight? i wanted to ask you a question if possible

yes, I can in there.  do you need the link?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 06:04:15 PM
DD, after looking what they are reporting and your posts about Kona's son and his answere, I think I will go out on a short limb and say he LIED.  Why?  I am still waiting for your answere to what night he forgot what he was doing.  Don't look good for this boy.  Too many holes in this alibi.  Looks like the LE know what they are doing after all.  JMO  shortcake ::MonkeyCheer2::


Just trying to keep up with you here, can you please point out what holes in his aliby you are referring to?

Sorry, I may be jumping ahead of myself, but according to DD, Kona's son gave a wrong answere as to what he was doing some night in question.  If it was the Friday night Lindsy went missing(nobody seems to remember that important detail), than I say he lied.  I am sure he knows exactly where is was that night.  You could count on one hand the number of people in McCleary who do not remember where they were that night .  Remember this was their 9/11.  JMO shortcake

well I believe the people who KNOW where he was.  now if it was only his mother saying he was somewhere then I might not believe it, but even the neighbors lied?  why would they?
I hate to be the one to say this but isn't at least one neighbor a relative to Kona and her family?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 06:04:16 PM
Shortcake you are jumping ahead of yourself a bit.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 06:04:29 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
o/t even if you're not into avatars, under monkey lounge thread, Brandi and CBB are greating some wonderful avaies.  For a change of pace and some giggles, check it out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 06:05:51 PM
dd-will you be in your chat room tonight? i wanted to ask you a question if possible

yes, I can in there.  do you need the link?

i think i am in there right now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
Shortcake you are jumping ahead of yourself a bit.
Me thinks you be right so I will try to hold myself back.  Thanks.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 06:08:04 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake
I'm not trying to shut you up ShortCake but IMO he was questioned about the night Lindsey went missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 06:24:59 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 06:29:01 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.
I feel you belong here Karma, I appreciate your posting  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 06:30:21 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake
I'm not trying to shut you up ShortCake but IMO he was questioned about the night Lindsey went missing.
Thanks.  I think so too, but do not know for sure.  I don't know why DD does not know this very important detail.  I am sure DD can contact Kona and get the answere quickly.  I can't move on til I know for sure.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.
I feel you belong here Karma, I appreciate your posting  ::MonkeyCool::

me too  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 01, 2009, 06:37:01 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.
I feel you belong here Karma, I appreciate your posting  ::MonkeyCool::

me too  ::MonkeyDance::

Everyone is welcome to post anywhere, on any threads in this forum.   ::MonkeyToot:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 01, 2009, 06:40:50 PM
WOW... are some of our monkeys swinging a little too much today or what??? ::MonkeyEek:: Take a deep breathe and stop attacking each other  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Man, we are supposed to be here TOGETHER for Lindsey not bickering and badgering our "monkey pals"    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.

KarmaR, hope you come back.  Caylee's case truly gives me a headache and makes my blood boileth over.  We don't always agree, but I do like to read your well thought out insights.
 ::MonkeyWitch1::
(just wanted to use new monkey)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 01, 2009, 06:50:06 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?
::MonkeyEek:: on the bolded above....can't help myself.
Mr Bentley is the Mayor but I have no clue who he is.
Do you know if Mr Self has a relative(son?)named Ricky?


Mr. Self does not have a son named Ricky.  I have been told there is another family named Self, & that they are not related,  Don't know who Ricky belongs to.
I looked up the Bentley who died a few years ago, Mayor Bentley was not listed as next of kin.
Mr. Self & Mr. Bentley's houses are on the same side of sixth st., each on a corner of 6th & maple.  Mr Self's is the fartherest away from the Beehive.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 06:56:10 PM
Grandma Karma

I miss ya already.

 ::MonkeyWaa::





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake
I'm not trying to shut you up ShortCake but IMO he was questioned about the night Lindsey went missing.
Thanks.  I think so too, but do not know for sure.  I don't know why DD does not know this very important detail.  I am sure DD can contact Kona and get the answere quickly.  I can't move on til I know for sure.  shortcake

you are joking right? . . . you don't know why DD does not know . . . DD can contact . . . hmmm didn't realize DD was your search engine! lol you are so funny LMAO  we needed some humor.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 06:57:52 PM
Shortcake,
give DD a chance. One thing I have learned a long the way is sometimes you have to check if you can release information because it may hurt this investigation somehow maybe not directly but somehow. If DD has information and can release it, she will in due time. If not, then it should not make or break someone's innocense.

My guess is the people are being asked where they were on the night Lindsey went missing and any other night which may have come up during the course of investigating her disappearance. Not everyone all of the time knows where they are at a certain time and it is common people get it wrong or get days confused. One thing I consider is he didn't have a long drawn out story ready in the case he was asked. In other words, he didn't have an aliby just waiting to be used. Because of this, I feel he just made an error. One other thing to consider is at his age, was this a 9/11 event? He is a 23 year old young man, working 2 jobs...Would this hit him the same as it would you or I? probably not.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 01, 2009, 06:59:00 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.
I feel you belong here Karma, I appreciate your posting  ::MonkeyCool::

me too  ::MonkeyDance::

Everyone is welcome to post anywhere, on any threads in this forum.   ::MonkeyToot:: 

 ::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 07:00:51 PM
Please forgive me sisters.  For I have sinned.  I got so wrapped up in this search that I lost my way.  I jumped to conclusions and should not have.  I think I even upset DD.  She does not deserve to be bagered.  But she is the one with all the answeres.  To everyone I offended, I  apoligize.  I think I will sit in the corner a just watch things develop.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
Please forgive me sisters.  For I have sinned.  I got so wrapped up in this search that I lost my way.  I jumped to conclusions and should not have.  I think I even upset DD.  She does not deserve to be bagered.  But she is the one with all the answeres.  To everyone I offended, I  apoligize.  I think I will sit in the corner a just watch things develop.  shortcake

I'll say it again, you are funny!  I wasn't offended, I thought you were trying to be funny!
lost your way . . . teehee
 :joker:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.

Oh come on now Karma we all add our 2 cents and if sometimes people don't agree it doesn't mean we don't want you here. Get back over here and stop it!

Plus you would need a break from the craziness of that case! I don't even go there, I would have even more gray hairs.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 07:09:15 PM
Please forgive me sisters.  For I have sinned.  I got so wrapped up in this search that I lost my way.  I jumped to conclusions and should not have.  I think I even upset DD.  She does not deserve to be bagered.  But she is the one with all the answeres.  To everyone I offended, I  apoligize.  I think I will sit in the corner a just watch things develop.  shortcake

Why is everyone being so sensitive today?  :smt056


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 01, 2009, 07:09:19 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake

shortcake:  I am not trying to shut up hahah, you have every right to say what you like or to think what you want to think... you have that right to discuss it as well.  I discussed it with you, I have my opiinion, you have yours.  then you said I was dancing around the answer and that he has holes in his alibi and you were elated that you think something I said made you believe that. 

If you think I am dancing around questions etc, or that witnesses are lying without even knowing who they are or what they said, what is the point?  there is none, your mind is made up the guy is guilty.  that is your right.  I have given my reasons why I believe he has nothing to do with this.  other than that I am not going to sit and argue back and forth.  they don't even do that in a court of law.  each person gives there side, and everyone makes up their own mind.  I gave mine.  I'm done


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 07:10:25 PM
Where is everyone getting the halloween monkey's? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 07:12:03 PM
oh my they are sooo cute!
 ::MonkeyDogWalk3:: ::bee:: ::puppy:: ::MonkeyBikeYorkie:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyWitch1:: ::MonkeyDebonaire:: ::MonkeyCat:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyRain:: ::CowWave:: ::MonkeyWhistle:: ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyViolin:: ::MonkeyBath2:: ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake
I'm not trying to shut you up ShortCake but IMO he was questioned about the night Lindsey went missing.
Thanks.  I think so too, but do not know for sure.  I don't know why DD does not know this very important detail.  I am sure DD can contact Kona and get the answere quickly.  I can't move on til I know for sure.  shortcake

you are joking right? . . . you don't know why DD does not know . . . DD can contact . . . hmmm didn't realize DD was your search engine! lol you are so funny LMAO  we needed some humor.  Thanks.
Well she was sure quick to post all about the search warrant and the excuses for Kona and her son.  The answere to LE, the car could not be the one, condoms, etc.  Seems like she is the only one with the inside information and does not mind posting it.  Where else would you go for questions?  She put herself in harms way.  Sorry  JMO  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 07:12:37 PM
Please forgive me sisters.  For I have sinned.  I got so wrapped up in this search that I lost my way.  I jumped to conclusions and should not have.  I think I even upset DD.  She does not deserve to be bagered.  But she is the one with all the answeres.  To everyone I offended, I  apoligize.  I think I will sit in the corner a just watch things develop.  shortcake

Why is everyone being so sensitive today?  :smt056

Tracygirl, I think we all so desparately want Lindsey found -- and sometimes, at least with me, it can cause that emotional side to feel so exposed.  We'll be ok, we always are.
 :thumright:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake

shortcake:  I am not trying to shut up hahah, you have every right to say what you like or to think what you want to think... you have that right to discuss it as well.  I discussed it with you, I have my opiinion, you have yours.  then you said I was dancing around the answer and that he has holes in his alibi and you were elated that you think something I said made you believe that. 

If you think I am dancing around questions etc, or that witnesses are lying without even knowing who they are or what they said, what is the point?  there is none, your mind is made up the guy is guilty.  that is your right.  I have given my reasons why I believe he has nothing to do with this.  other than that I am not going to sit and argue back and forth.  they don't even do that in a court of law.  each person gives there side, and everyone makes up their own mind.  I gave mine.  I'm done
Sorry DD.  I apoligize.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
Considering the truth regarding the disappearance of Lindsey Baum is not known ... I feel that each Monkey on the forum should "feel" the freedom to speculate in his/her own way. 

I believe with all my heart that LE has a foundation from which suspicion of this young man has been drawn from ... suspicion that has deemed him a person of interest.  Something akin to many suspects of interest in criminal cases ... the investigative process will either clear this young man or ... it will determine he is a suspect.

However ... when I consider the witness sighting of Lindsey at Maple and Fifth ... minutes from home ... minutes from Mom and brother ... I believe the focus of the investigation should have be closer to home prior to moving outward.  Considering Melissa B and Josh B. were waiting at the end of Lindsey journey ... considering the known family dynamics ...  where these two ever deemed at some point in time persons of interest?

Could it be that the focus has never been on Melissa B. and Josh B. as persons of interest because there were red flags from the past that LE and CPS did not want exposed ... red flags that were disregarded ... red flags that could have prevented the disappearance of Lindsey Baum if addressed.

Janet
_____


MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 07:23:42 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

So sorry Sunshine.  I didn't see your post to respond.  I try to read each one, but sometimes I miss some.

I don't know if you saw my first post about this theory, but I keep thinking about it, can't get it out of my head.  Also, it would explain a lot of things I've seen surrounding Lindsey's case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 01, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.

Don't leave Karma. You are an important poster both here and On the Caylee thread.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 07:24:23 PM
oh my they are sooo cute!
 ::MonkeyDogWalk3:: ::bee:: ::puppy:: ::MonkeyBikeYorkie:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyWitch1:: ::MonkeyDebonaire:: ::MonkeyCat:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyRain:: ::CowWave:: ::MonkeyWhistle:: ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyViolin:: ::MonkeyBath2:: ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk2::

I have claimed them all!

 ::cartwheel::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.
This is why I have been asking about the kids around that night, what the girls planned on doing that evening, etc....

I asked this on DD's site, Unless MB didn't do laundry LB put her swim suit on because she wanted to go swimming. Could it have been possible they were going over to Kayla's house to not only ask about spending the night but for Kayla to get her suit on? It has always made me wonder, why the girls just didn't call Kara and ask permission rather then walking over there, that doesn't make sense to me. Kayla must have had to get something from her house. What this all means I have no idea but it may shed some light on if LB went somewhere after leaving Kayla's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 07:25:11 PM
o/t even if you're not into avatars, under monkey lounge thread, Brandi and CBB are greating some wonderful avaies.  For a change of pace and some giggles, check it out.

o/t speaking of avi's, Sister.. i just have to say, that is one gorgeous dog! 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 07:27:01 PM
Jademoff/ Shortcake or any other local Monkeys there, I am still confused as to where Lindsey was allegedly seen last.  Do you know what Don (Don & Ron radio show) was saying when he said, she was last seen right here, right here at this telephone pole on ? street (can't think of name of street right now, but the street main street 5th,6th,7th, etc, lead to?

TIA!

6th and Maple or 5th and maple. I was just in McCleary today too, and I went into the shell station, and I looked down maple street. My heart just sank.

I was incorrect about my distance of McCleary to Kamilche, I had stated it was 15 miles, when in fact it is 9 miles. Also, the Mason county lines starts a little after the 4 mile marker going east on highway 108. This leads to new areas to take a peek at.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 07:29:32 PM
shortcake:

are you saying everyone who knows where he was at is lying?  including the neighbors?  sorry, I don't think they ALL are lying.
DD, I don't know, but please find out what night is in question.  So some of the alibi is from neighbors.  Who were the others?  You have ways to find out.  You have ways to shut me up.  Just post the night he was asked about?  Simple.  shortcake
I'm not trying to shut you up ShortCake but IMO he was questioned about the night Lindsey went missing.
Thanks.  I think so too, but do not know for sure.  I don't know why DD does not know this very important detail.  I am sure DD can contact Kona and get the answere quickly.  I can't move on til I know for sure.  shortcake

Ermmm.. Just wondering.. Maybe it's more like DD simply doesn't want to answer the question?  Nuttin wrong with that.  LE and others 'close to an investigation' do it all the time.  No offense meant, just a possibility. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 07:31:27 PM
WOW... are some of our monkeys swinging a little too much today or what??? ::MonkeyEek:: Take a deep breathe and stop attacking each other  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Man, we are supposed to be here TOGETHER for Lindsey not bickering and badgering our "monkey pals"    ::MonkeyKiss::

Deep breathing and hugs all around. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 07:31:55 PM
Why did your heart sink? What did you see? Gosh I wish I could go there, I would in a split second.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 07:33:41 PM
Well she was sure quick to post all about the search warrant and the excuses for Kona and her son.  The answere to LE, the car could not be the one, condoms, etc.  Seems like she is the only one with the inside information and does not mind posting it.  Where else would you go for questions?  She put herself in harms way.  Sorry  JMO  shortcake 

Her answers are based on her research . . . want to go somewhere for answers . . . how about your research instead of relying on someone else's that you then tear apart and say answer me this or answer me that.  Where do you suppose DD's research comes from?  it comes from getting off the judgmental horse, working 16-18 hours a day, and at least trying to find answers to questions.  Where does your research come from?  It comes from what you perceive as the incompetent research of others.
And exactly what harms way are you talking about?  I pray that was merely a poor choice in words and not a threat.
You make a statement, then say sorry, make another statement, then say sorry.
You're entitled to your opinion, that's what forums are about.  I do not, however, think blasting someone else on what they have not uncovered or revealed for your pleasure or edification is being very fair.  But that is my opinion and I am not sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 07:41:10 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 07:42:11 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.
I feel you belong here Karma, I appreciate your posting  ::MonkeyCool::
Thank you NoRose......I'm just tired and crabby so will catch up and say goodnight in a minute.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 07:43:13 PM
It's a Friday night in McCleary, people from there have said it was not dark at 9:30p.m.  Lindsey's curfew was not until 10:00p.m.  I remember some of the people that have posted here like KK, MM, have said it was not unusual for kids to hang out, walk around, go to the park, play in the dugout, without adult supervision.  I know that both Lindsey and Josh walked around a lot in McCleary.  With so much woods around these kids, I wonder if they didn't have a place or places in the woods to hang out.  I realize Lindsey was scared of the dark.  But what if she went there just to check out who was there for a few minutes before it got dark and had to go home.  Maybe, find someone to have a sleepover with. 

Anyway, we then have the Mayor saying he remembers kids out playing (not confirmed what time).  It's just hard for me to believe that no kids other than Lindsey Baum were on that street that night..coming or going. 

Lindsey repeatedly wrote on her Myspace that she was bored...wanted to go play with her friend, etc.  She seems to me to be exactly the kind of child that would go check out what was happening elsewhere, after getting turned down at Kara's.  Again, its 9:30pm on Friday night, not dark, and she has time to spare before getting home.  These reasons as well as all the others pointed out on "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods", just really speak to me. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 07:43:24 PM
Which is it?

Janet.
_____

KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html



This kinda does go back to what shortcake is saying. Because no one really knows the exact time that Lindsey came up missing. It is an estimated guess within an hour. Since investigators didn't mark anything as looking suspcious SO FAR doesn't mean they won't find something that is on the nose. I will keep an open mind, but so far, I don't believe them to be involved.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?
::MonkeyEek:: on the bolded above....can't help myself.
Mr Bentley is the Mayor but I have no clue who he is.
Do you know if Mr Self has a relative(son?)named Ricky?


Mr. Self does not have a son named Ricky.  I have been told there is another family named Self, & that they are not related,  Don't know who Ricky belongs to.
I looked up the Bentley who died a few years ago, Mayor Bentley was not listed as next of kin.
Mr. Self & Mr. Bentley's houses are on the same side of sixth st., each on a corner of 6th & maple.  Mr Self's is the fartherest away from the Beehive.
Thanks HeidisMom
That's what I get for depending on google maps.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 07:48:01 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.
I'm sorry, I did read that, very interesting indeed, and could very well be what happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 07:52:01 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.
I feel you belong here Karma, I appreciate your posting  ::MonkeyCool::
Thank you NoRose......I'm just tired and crabby so will catch up and say goodnight in a minute.

I understand, I'm very tired and crabby also  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 07:53:25 PM
OK,guess I'll head back to Caylee's thread to catch up,I feel I belong there anyway.

Don't leave Karma. You are an important poster both here and On the Caylee thread.  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Fanny and thanks to all the other Monkeys.I'm just overly sensitive today and probably shouldn't be on here.I really hate when posters have hissy fits and I hate it more when I do it.

Have a good night you all.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 07:54:56 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?
::MonkeyEek:: on the bolded above....can't help myself.
Mr Bentley is the Mayor but I have no clue who he is.
Do you know if Mr Self has a relative(son?)named Ricky?


Mr. Self does not have a son named Ricky.  I have been told there is another family named Self, & that they are not related,  Don't know who Ricky belongs to.
I looked up the Bentley who died a few years ago, Mayor Bentley was not listed as next of kin.
Mr. Self & Mr. Bentley's houses are on the same side of sixth st., each on a corner of 6th & maple.  Mr Self's is the fartherest away from the Beehive.
Thanks HeidisMom
That's what I get for depending on google maps.

Who is Ricky?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
Jademoff/ Shortcake or any other local Monkeys there, I am still confused as to where Lindsey was allegedly seen last.  Do you know what Don (Don & Ron radio show) was saying when he said, she was last seen right here, right here at this telephone pole on ? street (can't think of name of street right now, but the street main street 5th,6th,7th, etc, lead to?

TIA!

6th and Maple or 5th and maple. I was just in McCleary today too, and I went into the shell station, and I looked down maple street. My heart just sank.

I was incorrect about my distance of McCleary to Kamilche, I had stated it was 15 miles, when in fact it is 9 miles. Also, the Mason county lines starts a little after the 4 mile marker going east on highway 108. This leads to new areas to take a peek at.

Thank you Jademoff.  Interesting info about new areas!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 08:00:26 PM
Thanks Jademoff  ::MonkeyCool::  Have a good evening Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 01, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?
::MonkeyEek:: on the bolded above....can't help myself.
Mr Bentley is the Mayor but I have no clue who he is.
Do you know if Mr Self has a relative(son?)named Ricky?


Mr. Self does not have a son named Ricky.  I have been told there is another family named Self, & that they are not related,  Don't know who Ricky belongs to.
I looked up the Bentley who died a few years ago, Mayor Bentley was not listed as next of kin.
Mr. Self & Mr. Bentley's houses are on the same side of sixth st., each on a corner of 6th & maple.  Mr Self's is the fartherest away from the Beehive.
Thanks HeidisMom
That's what I get for depending on google maps.

Who is Ricky?
I think Ricky Self was a RSO we were looking at in the very begining of this case.I have a picture of him with a child(his child I think)on my puter and I wouldn't have saved it without good reasons.When the Self name came up as living right by the BeeHive,it sent alarms off to me.I haven't had a chance to go back and research Ricky Self but I will this weekend.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 08:04:49 PM
It's a Friday night in McCleary, people from there have said it was not dark at 9:30p.m.  Lindsey's curfew was not until 10:00p.m.  I remember some of the people that have posted here like KK, MM, have said it was not unusual for kids to hang out, walk around, go to the park, play in the dugout, without adult supervision.  I know that both Lindsey and Josh walked around a lot in McCleary.  With so much woods around these kids, I wonder if they didn't have a place or places in the woods to hang out.  I realize Lindsey was scared of the dark.  But what if she went there just to check out who was there for a few minutes before it got dark and had to go home.  Maybe, find someone to have a sleepover with. 

Anyway, we then have the Mayor saying he remembers kids out playing (not confirmed what time).  It's just hard for me to believe that no kids other than Lindsey Baum were on that street that night..coming or going. 

Lindsey repeatedly wrote on her Myspace that she was bored...wanted to go play with her friend, etc.  She seems to me to be exactly the kind of child that would go check out what was happening elsewhere, after getting turned down at Kara's.  Again, its 9:30pm on Friday night, not dark, and she has time to spare before getting home.  These reasons as well as all the others pointed out on "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods", just really speak to me. 

Very good points...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 08:05:40 PM
Which is it?

Janet.
_____

KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html



Janet, I am reading this to mean the young man was working for the center when Lindsey went missing and not that he was working that particular night.  Not really sure.
I'm not sure either how it was determined Lindsey was last seen in front of the center.  Wonder who saw her there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
yipes, sorry Jade, I posted in your box.
 :smt017


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)
I know this sticks with me as well. What do you think of the story he was sleep walking and fell ioff a loft,  hitting a pic which broke and this was a cut from glass? Bothers me...just bothers me. I wrote about this yesterday, no one responded but I am curious to know what others think of the story.
A loft has to have a railing, it is code in almost every state I can think of. They are usually about 7 feet off the ground at least, most times more. he would have had to flip over the rail landing I suppose on a table which knocked down the pic? I can't figure out how you knock a pic off at the same time as you are falling and the glass has enough time to break and you fall on it, gravity and all, so I am guessing he fell onto a table. Unless his arm twisted, I don't see how a cut would get a curve to it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 08:18:39 PM
oh my they are sooo cute!
 ::MonkeyDogWalk3:: ::bee:: ::puppy:: ::MonkeyBikeYorkie:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyHang:: ::MonkeyWitch1:: ::MonkeyDebonaire:: ::MonkeyCat:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyRain:: ::CowWave:: ::MonkeyWhistle:: ::MonkeyWeight:: ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyViolin:: ::MonkeyBath2:: ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk2::

Oh my gosh, a whole new collection!! what fun!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
I used the SM search engine and ... this appears to be the only past post submitted to the forum on Ricky Self.

Janet

++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1750 on: July 28, 2009, 12:01:05 PM »


bb in a bit, have some chores still to do ugh.  then I will get the SELF stuff all organized and see if the Ricky Self is connected, which I am sure he is.  Maybe he was on 6th and Larson?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg892101;topicseen#msg892101


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 08:22:59 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)
I know this sticks with me as well. What do you think of the story he was sleep walking and fell ioff a loft,  hitting a pic which broke and this was a cut from glass? Bothers me...just bothers me. I wrote about this yesterday, no one responded but I am curious to know what others think of the story.
A loft has to have a railing, it is code in almost every state I can think of. They are usually about 7 feet off the ground at least, most times more. he would have had to flip over the rail landing I suppose on a table which knocked down the pic? I can't figure out how you knock a pic off at the same time as you are falling and the glass has enough time to break and you fall on it, gravity and all, so I am guessing he fell onto a table. Unless his arm twisted, I don't see how a cut would get a curve to it.

He had it on his myspace page for a while, it has been taken down.  His mother said he was away with family, including aunts . . . but one of his aunts asked him on his myspace how he did it.  It was also stated by his mother that a doctor sewed his arm.  Ouch! I sure hope not.  Someone, I can't recall who, said they were going to go look at his arm and see the scar (as some said it looked like his leg with his pants rolled up).


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 08:23:28 PM
Which is it?

Janet.
_____

KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html



This kinda does go back to what shortcake is saying. Because no one really knows the exact time that Lindsey came up missing. It is an estimated guess within an hour. Since investigators didn't mark anything as looking suspcious SO FAR doesn't mean they won't find something that is on the nose. I will keep an open mind, but so far, I don't believe them to be involved.

Jademoff

I see what you mean.  The words could be taken two ways.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)

I agree we should question this.  That is why I was asking how old this boy is.  I am told 13.  So that is older than Josh, and Lindsey was at his home last.  It may not be a red flag, but it is certainly a pink flag!! The only person that has said how he got this owie is his mother. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 08:28:08 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)
I know this sticks with me as well. What do you think of the story he was sleep walking and fell ioff a loft,  hitting a pic which broke and this was a cut from glass? Bothers me...just bothers me. I wrote about this yesterday, no one responded but I am curious to know what others think of the story.
A loft has to have a railing, it is code in almost every state I can think of. They are usually about 7 feet off the ground at least, most times more. he would have had to flip over the rail landing I suppose on a table which knocked down the pic? I can't figure out how you knock a pic off at the same time as you are falling and the glass has enough time to break and you fall on it, gravity and all, so I am guessing he fell onto a table. Unless his arm twisted, I don't see how a cut would get a curve to it.
And don't you think that if you fell off of a loft, perhaps a bone or two might get broken, or something more seriously, of he is one lucky kid  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 08:29:04 PM
I used the SM search engine and ... this appears to be the only past post submitted to the forum on Ricky Self.

Janet

++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1750 on: July 28, 2009, 12:01:05 PM »


bb in a bit, have some chores still to do ugh.  then I will get the SELF stuff all organized and see if the Ricky Self is connected, which I am sure he is.  Maybe he was on 6th and Larson?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg892101;topicseen#msg892101


If this is the one I am thinking of, we found his myspace page and there was a picture of him there with his little girl, and lots of gushing about the beautiful child. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 08:29:46 PM

<snipped>

 I have been talking to DD and she and I have had some convo's about Kylar Kampens wound.I have his photo of his wound and have it dated as he put it on Mypace which was 7/8/09. He himself put the photo on myspace.
This last weekend I showed the photo to My Mom. She knows nothing of anything within Lindsey or what the photo was .. I asked her What do you see?
She said first - OMG! Who stitched that ?? 2nd out her mouth was those are Fisherman Knots and Third was that is Horrifying. Then I said Ma, its a 12 yr old Boy. She got all upset and Said Where was his Parents? I asked her What would cause this type of wound? She who grew up on a Farm and was practically a Farm hand for her parents .. born in 1944. She said That to me looks like a Wound caused by being Caught on Barbed Wire. She said who ever stitched that is not a Doctor by any means. Those are Fisherman Knots with basic Coat thread.

Then she said that poor kid to be caught in the Leg. She said that must have hurt like hell.
Now Monkeys it was said to be his inner arm. I thought possibly was his Calf .. my Ma took one look without " knowing anything" and said that is his Thigh - upper thigh towards the back of his leg with the shorts folded up.
This is the original photo - I have done nothing to it.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmyspace.jpg)

I flipped it and this is what it looks like - which I believe to be straight up not sideways.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmysp-2.jpg)

Sorry the photos are so big - But I think it needs to be so you can see the depth and the perception of the wound itself. The Date too is important. 7/8/09.


Thanks Deenie.  I was looking for those pictures a while back.  As far as I can determine Shorty's myspace no longer exists.

Janet

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Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1754 on: July 09, 2009, 12:24:47 AM »


OMG OUCH .....................

 ::MonkeyEek::  damn I know this Hurt.

Shorty's new Pic on his Myspace  - I don't know about you ..but that looks likes a home stitch job ..  That is a deep wound.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820
 
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM »


Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 08:30:53 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)
I know this sticks with me as well. What do you think of the story he was sleep walking and fell ioff a loft,  hitting a pic which broke and this was a cut from glass? Bothers me...just bothers me. I wrote about this yesterday, no one responded but I am curious to know what others think of the story.
A loft has to have a railing, it is code in almost every state I can think of. They are usually about 7 feet off the ground at least, most times more. he would have had to flip over the rail landing I suppose on a table which knocked down the pic? I can't figure out how you knock a pic off at the same time as you are falling and the glass has enough time to break and you fall on it, gravity and all, so I am guessing he fell onto a table. Unless his arm twisted, I don't see how a cut would get a curve to it.


Honestly, Tracygirl, I didn't respond to your post because I didn't know how to say what I was thinking diplomatically.  I'm a newbie poster, long time lurker, and emotions are running high on this board.  Sometimes, it seems sleuthing vs. appearing to judge those close to this case is a very fine line.  Along those lines, I would say to any family member of a missing child, do not come and read the crime boards.  It will not be productive for you and IMO you have better things to do in your quest to find your missing child.  I also hope that those that do read these boards would not tell said family members what is being said here about them.  It's just SOP for any missing child investigation.  Again, you start out with family and once cleared, move outwards.  It's not a pretty sight and it can be cruel. 

As far as KK's son wound.  I do not think any of this story makes sense.  The accident vs. the wound does not jive to me.  The stitch job absolutely is a malpractice suit if a Dr. did it, IMO.  I do not think a licensed medical professional stitched that wound up.  Kara's family left the cabin and took her son home 1st before taking him to the hospital, that doesn't make sense to me as well.  However, there maybe an explanation for that part of the story, I don't know.  This pic was posted by the son approx. 1 week after Lindsey's disappearance.  I have shown the pics to a R.N. friend of mine who after cringing, told me no way a medical professional did that stitch job.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 01, 2009, 08:33:04 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?

Bump

more info on Ricky Self


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 08:33:32 PM
none of those photo's were taken the weeks before she disappeared and her nails had grown, she would go through phases

i will look at SK's arm to see if there is a scar from that wound

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 08:34:52 PM
I agree, no Doctor handle those stitches.  It must be one heck of a scar.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 01, 2009, 08:35:16 PM
Thanks Karma....it is very confusing!! Why didn't they just say "mr self, a resident of the BeeHive"....LOL   So does the Mayor live very close to the BeeHive?
Going by the map it looks like the Mayor lives directly across the street from the BeeHive.Mayor may live in a corner house,corner of Maple and 6th streets,north side.

Also,when the Mayor was quoted in the paper I got the impression(when he was talking about all of the kids out playing)that he saw the kids outside earlier when he got home from the employee party.I didn't get the impression he was talking about seeing the kids at 9-9:30 or so.


Mr. Self  does not live at the Beehive.  He has a home on the corner of 6th & Maple, as does Mr. Bentley.  They are across the street (Maple Street) from each other.  Both of their houses face 6th street, & Mr. Bentley's faces the Beehive. which is between 6th street & 7th street.  The Beehive takes up the whole block.
Thank you for the info HeidisMom.
So Mr Self's house is on the same side of street as the BeeHive correct?
Do you know if he has a relative(son?)named Ricky?

Mr Self is a preacher at one of the churches in town. And Mr. Bentley..... is this a father or grandfather to the Mr. Bentley that was killed in a car accident about 5 years ago?

Bump

more info on Ricky Self

Yikes..now i'm not sure if this post is regarding Ricky Self or a different Self....sorry


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 01, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
That wound is not even sutured closed.  I can not believe that a doctor did those stitches.  In my mind, no way.  I still want to know how old this child is?>?>?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

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KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1580 on: July 07, 2009, 10:52:40 PM »


Is there a reason Josh did not hang out with your son(or did he?)because they are about the same age?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868973#msg868973


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1600 on: July 08, 2009, 01:36:01 AM »


Two very different groups I guess you'd say. Every now and again they'd hang out for a few if everyone else they knew was doing something else but my son is a little skater/ biker that hangs out with kids usually who enjoy the same. Josh is more the fishing, playing video games type of kid.

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 01, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer who tonight, in about 20 minutes:
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer100109.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 08:46:29 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)

I agree we should question this.  That is why I was asking how old this boy is.  I am told 13.  So that is older than Josh, and Lindsey was at his home last.  It may not be a red flag, but it is certainly a pink flag!! The only person that has said how he got this owie is his mother. 

Well.. I wasn't gonna touch the owie pic and it's possibilities with a ten-foot pole... but.. (ya knew that was coming, right?) 

I did a similiar thing as Deenie, just showed the pic to a nurse friend of mine.  Didn't say who it was or anything about it, just said I wanted her opinion on a wound.  Showed the pic, and before I could ask or say anything about it, she said, 'OMG who stitched that up?'  I said that I heard a doctor did, and she said nooooooooooo way, that's a home job, and a horrid one at that!  She was very concerned for infection that might set in, etc.   And then I said something like, 'It's gonna leave an awful scar on his arm'.  She said... "Arm??"  <then chuckled at me>  and said, "Uhhhh that's a leg, not an arm, you nut."  And she then said that wound should have been glued closed, not stitched.  That's how her clinic would have handled it. 

Sooooooooooo... I really dunno what to believe about anything in this case anymore.  I really don't.  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)
I know this sticks with me as well. What do you think of the story he was sleep walking and fell ioff a loft,  hitting a pic which broke and this was a cut from glass? Bothers me...just bothers me. I wrote about this yesterday, no one responded but I am curious to know what others think of the story.
A loft has to have a railing, it is code in almost every state I can think of. They are usually about 7 feet off the ground at least, most times more. he would have had to flip over the rail landing I suppose on a table which knocked down the pic? I can't figure out how you knock a pic off at the same time as you are falling and the glass has enough time to break and you fall on it, gravity and all, so I am guessing he fell onto a table. Unless his arm twisted, I don't see how a cut would get a curve to it.

He had it on his myspace page for a while, it has been taken down.  His mother said he was away with family, including aunts . . . but one of his aunts asked him on his myspace how he did it.  It was also stated by his mother that a doctor sewed his arm.  Ouch! I sure hope not.  Someone, I can't recall who, said they were going to go look at his arm and see the scar (as some said it looked like his leg with his pants rolled up).

Sister, thanks for the info.  I did not know that one of his aunts asked him how he got that wound. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 08:50:58 PM
Are there any medical professionals here that can determine approx. how old that wound looks?  Also, does anyone remember the date it was taken or posted on his Myspace?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)

I agree we should question this.  That is why I was asking how old this boy is.  I am told 13.  So that is older than Josh, and Lindsey was at his home last.  It may not be a red flag, but it is certainly a pink flag!! The only person that has said how he got this owie is his mother. 

Well.. I wasn't gonna touch the owie pic and it's possibilities with a ten-foot pole... but.. (ya knew that was coming, right?) 

I did a similiar thing as Deenie, just showed the pic to a nurse friend of mine.  Didn't say who it was or anything about it, just said I wanted her opinion on a wound.  Showed the pic, and before I could ask or say anything about it, she said, 'OMG who stitched that up?'  I said that I heard a doctor did, and she said nooooooooooo way, that's a home job, and a horrid one at that!  She was very concerned for infection that might set in, etc.   And then I said something like, 'It's gonna leave an awful scar on his arm'.  She said... "Arm??"  <then chuckled at me>  and said, "Uhhhh that's a leg, not an arm, you nut."  And she then said that wound should have been glued closed, not stitched.  That's how her clinic would have handled it. 

Sooooooooooo... I really dunno what to believe about anything in this case anymore.  I really don't.  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::




Ooooorrrr....WHO to believe.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 08:55:10 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer who tonight, in about 20 minutes:
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer100109.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!  Sounds like it's gonna be another great broadcast!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 09:02:40 PM

He had it on his myspace page for a while, it has been taken down.  His mother said he was away with family, including aunts . . . but one of his aunts asked him on his myspace how he did it.  It was also stated by his mother that a doctor sewed his arm.  Ouch! I sure hope not.  Someone, I can't recall who, said they were going to go look at his arm and see the scar (as some said it looked like his leg with his pants rolled up).

Sister, thanks for the info.  I did not know that one of his aunts asked him how he got that wound. ::MonkeyEek::

Wait....... !!  I missed that about the aunt.  If he was away with family, incl aunts... Wouldn't those aunts know already without asking?  Wouldn't any other aunt know?  Well I guess if one didn't live close.. or didn't go with the family.. or didn't talk with any of the family.. or....

Just reaching here...

 ::MonkeyConfused::    ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 09:03:48 PM
Madre, it was posted to his myspace -- the comment, question from the aunt.  Just way to tired right now to try and find it.
Thanks Janet for bumping those references I made.  I must be low on liver -- not!
Good night monkeys.
 ::MonkeyDogWalk3::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 09:04:01 PM
Did anyone get a chance or want to read "Did Lindsey Get Hurt in the Woods?" by DD?  I didn't get any response to that when I posted it before, so I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about this theory.

yes a few days ago i posted a link over there and no one responded either. i think its a very plausible theory and a good read

I agree with you both!!  A very good theory, IMO. 


...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)

I agree we should question this.  That is why I was asking how old this boy is.  I am told 13.  So that is older than Josh, and Lindsey was at his home last.  It may not be a red flag, but it is certainly a pink flag!! The only person that has said how he got this owie is his mother. 

Well.. I wasn't gonna touch the owie pic and it's possibilities with a ten-foot pole... but.. (ya knew that was coming, right?) 

I did a similiar thing as Deenie, just showed the pic to a nurse friend of mine.  Didn't say who it was or anything about it, just said I wanted her opinion on a wound.  Showed the pic, and before I could ask or say anything about it, she said, 'OMG who stitched that up?'  I said that I heard a doctor did, and she said nooooooooooo way, that's a home job, and a horrid one at that!  She was very concerned for infection that might set in, etc.   And then I said something like, 'It's gonna leave an awful scar on his arm'.  She said... "Arm??"  <then chuckled at me>  and said, "Uhhhh that's a leg, not an arm, you nut."  And she then said that wound should have been glued closed, not stitched.  That's how her clinic would have handled it. 

Sooooooooooo... I really dunno what to believe about anything in this case anymore.  I really don't.  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::



Wyks, my R.N. friend said pretty much the same thing  ::MonkeyShocked::  So, IF the story about taking him to the hospital to get stitched up is not accurate, what else isn't.  This and the whole theory of possibly kid(s) being involved, makes more sense to me than anything else, RIGHT NOW.  Ha!  Of course, that can change.......



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 09:08:50 PM
...and then I wonder about this .....  Please Monkeys, don't throw nanners.  I am not accusing a mother, a child, or anyone else for that matter...just thinking.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg963954#msg963954

Post #601.  (Sorry I don't know how to copy photos over.)

I agree we should question this.  That is why I was asking how old this boy is.  I am told 13.  So that is older than Josh, and Lindsey was at his home last.  It may not be a red flag, but it is certainly a pink flag!! The only person that has said how he got this owie is his mother. 

Well.. I wasn't gonna touch the owie pic and it's possibilities with a ten-foot pole... but.. (ya knew that was coming, right?) 

I did a similiar thing as Deenie, just showed the pic to a nurse friend of mine.  Didn't say who it was or anything about it, just said I wanted her opinion on a wound.  Showed the pic, and before I could ask or say anything about it, she said, 'OMG who stitched that up?'  I said that I heard a doctor did, and she said nooooooooooo way, that's a home job, and a horrid one at that!  She was very concerned for infection that might set in, etc.   And then I said something like, 'It's gonna leave an awful scar on his arm'.  She said... "Arm??"  <then chuckled at me>  and said, "Uhhhh that's a leg, not an arm, you nut."  And she then said that wound should have been glued closed, not stitched.  That's how her clinic would have handled it. 

Sooooooooooo... I really dunno what to believe about anything in this case anymore.  I really don't.  ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyConfused::




Ooooorrrr....WHO to believe.   ::MonkeyMad::

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 09:17:10 PM

Wyks, my R.N. friend said pretty much the same thing  ::MonkeyShocked::  So, IF the story about taking him to the hospital to get stitched up is not accurate, what else isn't.  This and the whole theory of possibly kid(s) being involved, makes more sense to me than anything else, RIGHT NOW.  Ha!  Of course, that can change.......



Hmmmm...  Well that's the $64,000 question -- 'what else isn't'??  It's enough to make me want to do this:  :2brickwall:

The theory of the kids, yesssssss.  It does make sense as a very good possibility.  And as others have said, seems to fit with other things in this case, that seem to be true, pretty darn well. 

I feel like a fish flopping around out of water.. back and forth.. dunno from day to day what I believe anymore.  It will be good, if/when we ever do get all or nearly all the true facts laid out, in nice neat rows, to look at.  (yeah, like that ever happens in any case, lol)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 09:22:36 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 09:30:03 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

There is so much new stuff coming up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 09:34:27 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

There is so much new stuff coming up.

Jademoff, this is me... I go from  ::MonkeyEek:: to  ::MonkeyWaa:: to  ::MonkeyMad:: to  ::MonkeyNoNo:: to  ::MonkeyConfused:: etc., etc., etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
I am somewhere between  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Only once was I  ::MonkeyLaugh:: and it wasn't even related to Lindsey, it was when I read that DG has to crawl in and out of his sunroof cause his doors don't work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 09:43:29 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
i also wanted to add that he could have taken the picture at any time after the injury, but posted it onhis page at a later date


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 01, 2009, 09:51:44 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

The only part of the cut that makes me go hmmmmm is the shape of it. It's an odd shape for falling on a picture. And just from reading, KK wasn't there when it happened so as a mother, she can only go by the story that she is told from those who are there. I don't know anything about stitches, but my guess is that the cut wasn't a straight cut, but tore in multiple areas, so it must have been a real pain in the kaboose to stitch up. Poor kid :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 09:52:58 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

Very good point about the bruising.  If one falls 7 feet ++++ and hits a table, or floor...there is going to be bruising.  Thanks!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 09:55:44 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.
Thank-you for that  ::MonkeyCool:: I sure would think that if you fall from a loft there would be something more, bruising, a broken bone maybe. But why lie that it is an arm when in fact you can see that it is a leg  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 09:56:48 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

Very good point about the bruising.  If one falls 7 feet ++++ and hits a table, or floor...there is going to be bruising.  Thanks!!

I also think we need more information.  I would like to see the hospital verification for what was done, and when it was done...If it exists.  I bet it doesn't.  I would also like to know where KK's son was the night Lindsey disappeared.   Was he home??  What time is his curfue? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 09:59:21 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

The only part of the cut that makes me go hmmmmm is the shape of it. It's an odd shape for falling on a picture. And just from reading, KK wasn't there when it happened so as a mother, she can only go by the story that she is told from those who are there. I don't know anything about stitches, but my guess is that the cut wasn't a straight cut, but tore in multiple areas, so it must have been a real pain in the kaboose to stitch up. Poor kid :(


yes, it must have been a real pain in the kaboose for kk to come up with that story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

Very good point about the bruising.  If one falls 7 feet ++++ and hits a table, or floor...there is going to be bruising.  Thanks!!

I also think we need more information.  I would like to see the hospital verification for what was done, and when it was done...If it exists.  I bet it doesn't.  I would also like to know where KK's son was the night Lindsey disappeared.   Was he home??  What time is his curfue? 

kk has said he was home, but who knows. i think we need to take everything she says with a grain of salt.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

The only part of the cut that makes me go hmmmmm is the shape of it. It's an odd shape for falling on a picture. And just from reading, KK wasn't there when it happened so as a mother, she can only go by the story that she is told from those who are there. I don't know anything about stitches, but my guess is that the cut wasn't a straight cut, but tore in multiple areas, so it must have been a real pain in the kaboose to stitch up. Poor kid :(


yes, it must have been a real pain in the kaboose for kk to come up with that story
  ::MonkeyEek::  Yes, it must have been.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 10:17:53 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

The only part of the cut that makes me go hmmmmm is the shape of it. It's an odd shape for falling on a picture. And just from reading, KK wasn't there when it happened so as a mother, she can only go by the story that she is told from those who are there. I don't know anything about stitches, but my guess is that the cut wasn't a straight cut, but tore in multiple areas, so it must have been a real pain in the kaboose to stitch up. Poor kid :(


yes, it must have been a real pain in the kaboose for kk to come up with that story
  ::MonkeyEek::  Yes, it must have been.

And then my next question would be, of course... WHY??? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 01, 2009, 10:22:13 PM
Hi everyone.  See I am hehaving myself but I just want you to know I like what is being questioned.  shortcake ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

The only part of the cut that makes me go hmmmmm is the shape of it. It's an odd shape for falling on a picture. And just from reading, KK wasn't there when it happened so as a mother, she can only go by the story that she is told from those who are there. I don't know anything about stitches, but my guess is that the cut wasn't a straight cut, but tore in multiple areas, so it must have been a real pain in the kaboose to stitch up. Poor kid :(


yes, it must have been a real pain in the kaboose for kk to come up with that story
  ::MonkeyEek::  Yes, it must have been.

And then my next question would be, of course... WHY??? 



i think a lot more happened that night than any of us are aware of. i do not trust kk.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 10:25:05 PM
O/T.. sorry

Rosie and anyone else... Haleigh thread, heads up. 

On scanner, Croslin names mentioned.  Possibly running a check on Hank Jr/Sr.  Could be back and cruising around town.  We're waiting rather impatiently to hear more.  ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:26:35 PM
Hi everyone.  See I am hehaving myself but I just want you to know I like what is being questioned.  shortcake ::MonkeyMad::

feel free to chime in shortcake :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 10:32:14 PM
well I want you all to know it is difficult for me to bring any of this up. I do not want to hurt this 12 year old little boy in his community, that would be horrible, just horrible. However as you can tell the story does not make any sense.

Does anyone have the original posting from KK regarding this? I think it goes something like he went away over 4th of July weekend to get away from all of the stuff. He was with his grandparents, aunts and Uncles, (from what side, I do not know could be the other side from the aunt Michelle who posts on the Myspace pages) As the story went, he sleep walked off the loft, falling into a picture and filleted his arm from the glass. She stated that is what the doc who stitched it, he filleted it and it would not be pretty.

Doesn't this story just seem too planned out? too explained? Sort of an example of what I had posted about DG's not getting the day right, he didn't have a set explanation ready to give to the police or who ever asked.

Why didn't the doc just use butterfly bandages or glue?. Maybe this doc, being it is a small town, didn't have these things? Is this town so small they use vets for things like this?

As I said, the whole falling story just doesn't fit. Could be KK was told this? I hope she is at least prompted to ask her son how this happened in case there was something more to it.

Why would it be posted though? Is it a way to explain it away so no one thinks twice or was it just a kid that got hurt and was bragging about it? I don't know, I still see in my minds eye this little boy standing on a corner holding a sign for Lindsey that asked if anyone has seen her. The look on this kids face was desperate, not guilt. I just do not know.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
O/T.. sorry

Rosie and anyone else... Haleigh thread, heads up. 

On scanner, Croslin names mentioned.  Possibly running a check on Hank Jr/Sr.  Could be back and cruising around town.  We're waiting rather impatiently to hear more.  ::MonkeyEek::


Yes, thank-you, something about a shovel stolen  ::MonkeyRoll:: They just can't stay out of trouble  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 10:41:59 PM
Hi everyone.  See I am hehaving myself but I just want you to know I like what is being questioned.  shortcake ::MonkeyMad::

feel free to chime in shortcake :)
I don't understand why you are mad, is it because of KK son's stitch job?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 01, 2009, 10:44:32 PM
Tracygirl, I don't know, but it just seems odd to say arm, when clearly it is a leg  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 10:45:26 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

The only part of the cut that makes me go hmmmmm is the shape of it. It's an odd shape for falling on a picture. And just from reading, KK wasn't there when it happened so as a mother, she can only go by the story that she is told from those who are there. I don't know anything about stitches, but my guess is that the cut wasn't a straight cut, but tore in multiple areas, so it must have been a real pain in the kaboose to stitch up. Poor kid :(


yes, it must have been a real pain in the kaboose for kk to come up with that story

...and there has to be a reason to make up a story.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 10:54:10 PM
i feel like we are getting more of the pieces of the puzzle


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 01, 2009, 10:55:46 PM
i feel like we are getting more of the pieces of the puzzle

I do too Sunshine12.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
well I want you all to know it is difficult for me to bring any of this up. I do not want to hurt this 12 year old little boy in his community, that would be horrible, just horrible. However as you can tell the story does not make any sense.

Does anyone have the original posting from KK regarding this? I think it goes something like he went away over 4th of July weekend to get away from all of the stuff. He was with his grandparents, aunts and Uncles, (from what side, I do not know could be the other side from the aunt Michelle who posts on the Myspace pages) As the story went, he sleep walked off the loft, falling into a picture and filleted his arm from the glass. She stated that is what the doc who stitched it, he filleted it and it would not be pretty.

Doesn't this story just seem too planned out? too explained? Sort of an example of what I had posted about DG's not getting the day right, he didn't have a set explanation ready to give to the police or who ever asked.

Why didn't the doc just use butterfly bandages or glue?. Maybe this doc, being it is a small town, didn't have these things? Is this town so small they use vets for things like this?

As I said, the whole falling story just doesn't fit. Could be KK was told this? I hope she is at least prompted to ask her son how this happened in case there was something more to it.

Why would it be posted though? Is it a way to explain it away so no one thinks twice or was it just a kid that got hurt and was bragging about it? I don't know, I still see in my minds eye this little boy standing on a corner holding a sign for Lindsey that asked if anyone has seen her. The look on this kids face was desperate, not guilt. I just do not know.....

Tracygirl,  is this just your imagination seeing this boy, or is there actually a picture? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:05:59 PM
lol az there is a pic of Kara with Kayla and her son. That was the pic I was talking about.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
Now I am going to say, although the injury and story are nto connecting, this doesn't mean he is responsible for this little girl going missing. It maybe a sign that it happened in some other way that is not at all connected to this crime. I do hope that CPS or LE has a chance to look into this as it maybe a sign of "something".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
(http://38592221)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:11:43 PM
Tracygirl, I don't know, but it just seems odd to say arm, when clearly it is a leg  ::MonkeyConfused::

I cannot see it is a leg, I have tried and tried...Would it be his calf?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:12:30 PM
lol az there is a pic of Kara with Kayla and her son. That was the pic I was talking about.

I didn't see it, I was just wondering if one existed.   You said 'in your minds eye'.....well?????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:14:11 PM
lol az there is a pic of Kara with Kayla and her son. That was the pic I was talking about.

I didn't see it, I was just wondering if one existed.   You said 'in your minds eye'.....well?????

I know, sometimes expressing my thoughts into words sort of gets a bit confused! I wish I can find that pic. It was from an article they did that showed the 3 of them on a corner.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:14:33 PM
Tracygirl, I don't know, but it just seems odd to say arm, when clearly it is a leg  ::MonkeyConfused::

I cannot see it is a leg, I have tried and tried...Would it be his calf?

I think the back of his leg, yes, the calf.   

I tried to post a picture of true stitching job for that type of slice, but i did something wrong. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:16:30 PM
(http://38592221)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/AZsunshine/stitchesexample.jpg)

Example of correct stitch for this type of injury....just saying...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:16:56 PM

<snipped>

 I have been talking to DD and she and I have had some convo's about Kylar Kampens wound.I have his photo of his wound and have it dated as he put it on Mypace which was 7/8/09. He himself put the photo on myspace.
This last weekend I showed the photo to My Mom. She knows nothing of anything within Lindsey or what the photo was .. I asked her What do you see?
She said first - OMG! Who stitched that ?? 2nd out her mouth was those are Fisherman Knots and Third was that is Horrifying. Then I said Ma, its a 12 yr old Boy. She got all upset and Said Where was his Parents? I asked her What would cause this type of wound? She who grew up on a Farm and was practically a Farm hand for her parents .. born in 1944. She said That to me looks like a Wound caused by being Caught on Barbed Wire. She said who ever stitched that is not a Doctor by any means. Those are Fisherman Knots with basic Coat thread.

Then she said that poor kid to be caught in the Leg. She said that must have hurt like hell.
Now Monkeys it was said to be his inner arm. I thought possibly was his Calf .. my Ma took one look without " knowing anything" and said that is his Thigh - upper thigh towards the back of his leg with the shorts folded up.
This is the original photo - I have done nothing to it.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmyspace.jpg)

I flipped it and this is what it looks like - which I believe to be straight up not sideways.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/kylarkampeninjury7809picpostmysp-2.jpg)

Sorry the photos are so big - But I think it needs to be so you can see the depth and the perception of the wound itself. The Date too is important. 7/8/09.


Thanks Deenie.  I was looking for those pictures a while back.  As far as I can determine Shorty's myspace no longer exists.

Janet

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Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1754 on: July 09, 2009, 12:24:47 AM »


OMG OUCH .....................

 ::MonkeyEek::  damn I know this Hurt.

Shorty's new Pic on his Myspace  - I don't know about you ..but that looks likes a home stitch job ..  That is a deep wound.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820
 
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=445914790&albumID=651867&imageID=12140170


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM »


Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870836;topicseen#msg870836




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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 11:17:10 PM
I guess I'll just say it then. 

I do believe you DD, I believe in your research, in your findings.  And I trust what you say, even the things you know about that you cannot say.  I just want to say that first, cuz I don't want you thinking I am questioning you, or directing this at you in any way.  I've worked with you in the Cantu case, and admire/respect you greatly.  Setting your research aside for a minute, I'm gonna speak to what we've read from what's been reported in the news, from locals, friends, and so-called friends (from earlier on in the case). 

I do have questions, from time to time, about this case.  I like to take what's been reported in the media and dig into it, looking at it from any angle.  But have been sitting on my hands and not posting very many of my questions, not like I would and have in other cases.   As some in here know, I've leaped right in with everyone, researched and questioned alongside locals and non-locals alike. 

Just seems in this case, for whatever reason, there are feathers that get ruffled.  My intent (and those of other monkeys am sure), is not to hurt the family, friends and/or locals.  My intent is to dig for the truth.  And yet.. seems when we do 'question' something we've read about, someone somewhere in this case gets hurt feelings.  Again, that's not the intention.  It's really really hard to dig in a case, question things when they don't make sense or don't add up, without hurting someone in the process.  If I question something about a family member, for example, I'm not trying to sit in judgement on that person, I'm trying to more fully understand the situation.  And etc. 

So I've sat back, a lot.  And it's frustrating.  Just as much as it must be for others.  Am not directing this to any one person involved in this case!  Am just saying how frustrating it is for me, this case.... The ever-changing info.  Truths?  How do we know when it doesn't make sense and we cannot dig in and ask questions about it without hurting someone?  Or have our intentions taken wrongly? 

I dunno.. Just wanted to share that.  Cuz I want what we all want.. Lindsey home with her family and justice brought for her and whatever may have happened. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:18:25 PM
wow I bumped the actual pic, you can really see the difference! WTHeck, who sewed this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 01, 2009, 11:19:54 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

Very good point about the bruising.  If one falls 7 feet ++++ and hits a table, or floor...there is going to be bruising.  Thanks!!

I also think we need more information.  I would like to see the hospital verification for what was done, and when it was done...If it exists.  I bet it doesn't.  I would also like to know where KK's son was the night Lindsey disappeared.   Was he home??  What time is his curfue? 

Hi AZ,  I agree with you but still can not conceive of the idea a 13 yr old boy having the means to dispose of a body.  No one in their right mind would become an accessory to homocide IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:20:55 PM
wow I bumped the actual pic, you can really see the difference! WTHeck, who sewed this?


um, a drunken sailor?  aren't those fishing knots?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:24:59 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

Very good point about the bruising.  If one falls 7 feet ++++ and hits a table, or floor...there is going to be bruising.  Thanks!!

I also think we need more information.  I would like to see the hospital verification for what was done, and when it was done...If it exists.  I bet it doesn't.  I would also like to know where KK's son was the night Lindsey disappeared.   Was he home??  What time is his curfue? 

Hi AZ,  I agree with you but still can not conceive of the idea a 13 yr old boy having the means to dispose of a body.  No one in their right mind would become an accessory to homocide IMO

I don't know Scandi, I am just throwing out as there is a repeated suggestion that the12 year old brother was involved, which I do not think was the case, then why not a 13 year old with a noticable injury.  Help from family, accident in woods- I don't know, as I said, we need more information/clarification.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 11:25:04 PM
Maybe... just maybe.. more than one person got 'hurt in the woods' that night?? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 01, 2009, 11:26:09 PM
Maybe... just maybe.. more than one person got 'hurt in the woods' that night?? 



And what I mean by that, is... maybe more than one victim?  Or.. defensive wounds trying to help a friend..

Heck I dunno.  Just a thought. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
If a doctor stitched that up, I would ask for my money back, no way did a doctor do that  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose, I agree.  If a Dr. did that, I hope he has excellent malpractice insurance coverage.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



my mother is a doctor...she looked at the pictures and said that it's a leg..she said "if thats not a leg then i shouldnt be a doctor."  she also said that it looks to be a week old but could be older b/c the stitching job is so bad. she said it looks like a fisherman tied it together.  she also said that if that child came into her office and kk gave the same explanation to her as she did to us on the baord, my mom said she would have to call CPS because the injury would be suspicious as there is no way the injury fits the alleged circumstances.  my mom also said that if it happened as she said we would see more bruising.

Very good point about the bruising.  If one falls 7 feet ++++ and hits a table, or floor...there is going to be bruising.  Thanks!!

I also think we need more information.  I would like to see the hospital verification for what was done, and when it was done...If it exists.  I bet it doesn't.  I would also like to know where KK's son was the night Lindsey disappeared.   Was he home??  What time is his curfue? 

Hi AZ,  I agree with you but still can not conceive of the idea a 13 yr old boy having the means to dispose of a body.  No one in their right mind would become an accessory to homocide IMO

there could have been an accident of somesort, or maybe lindsey was out in the woods like the trackign dogs said, then a body wouldnt have had to be disposed of.  you should read dd's post about lindsey getting hurt in the woods. it's on her website. it's really interesting :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:27:26 PM
A mother would Scandi...an act of desperation or an act of protection would lead a mother to protect her child.

I actually do not think this little boy killed or hurt Lindsey, I am thinking this little boy may have gotten hurt and that needs to be investigated. These stitches where not done by a doctor as they should have been. Maybe they don't have healthcare, I don't know. Maybe they didnt want to admit something else may have happened, I don't know. What I do know when I look at these pics is, the story does not connect and make sense.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 11:32:01 PM
A mother would Scandi...an act of desperation or an act of protection would lead a mother to protect her child.

I actually do not think this little boy killed or hurt Lindsey, I am thinking this little boy may have gotten hurt and that needs to be investigated. These stitches where not done by a doctor as they should have been. Maybe they don't have healthcare, I don't know. Maybe they didnt want to admit something else may have happened, I don't know. What I do know when I look at these pics is, the story does not connect and make sense.

yea i agree. i think someone should take a look at it and then let a dr decide. for all we know that could be infected by now. poor thing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 01, 2009, 11:33:55 PM
A mother would Scandi...an act of desperation or an act of protection would lead a mother to protect her child.

I actually do not think this little boy killed or hurt Lindsey, I am thinking this little boy may have gotten hurt and that needs to be investigated. These stitches where not done by a doctor as they should have been. Maybe they don't have healthcare, I don't know. Maybe they didnt want to admit something else may have happened, I don't know. What I do know when I look at these pics is, the story does not connect and make sense.

yea i agree. i think someone should take a look at it and then let a dr decide. for all we know that could be infected by now. poor thing

i also dont think he hurt or killed lb , i just dont understand why there is the need for a coverup. again, maybe something else happened that night that we are missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 01, 2009, 11:38:40 PM
A mother would Scandi...an act of desperation or an act of protection would lead a mother to protect her child.

I actually do not think this little boy killed or hurt Lindsey, I am thinking this little boy may have gotten hurt and that needs to be investigated. These stitches where not done by a doctor as they should have been. Maybe they don't have healthcare, I don't know. Maybe they didnt want to admit something else may have happened, I don't know. What I do know when I look at these pics is, the story does not connect and make sense.

yea i agree. i think someone should take a look at it and then let a dr decide. for all we know that could be infected by now. poor thing

i also dont think he hurt or killed lb , i just dont understand why there is the need for a coverup. again, maybe something else happened that night that we are missing.

I agree.  I think this was done by an adult, not a child, but I do not understand the need for the lie.  KK said something about the skin having shrunk, and the Doc said this would look bad.  If the skin shrunk that badly, there had to be a delay of several days before it was tended to, in my estimation.  The wound does not even look like it was scrubbed out prior to sutures.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mymonkey on October 01, 2009, 11:43:19 PM
Praying for Lindsey. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 01, 2009, 11:43:40 PM
Let me see if I can find the orignial posting about this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
This has been bothering the beegees out of me, finally found it, but I apologize that I don't know how to bring quote from another thread:

KK said:

As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives  and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 01, 2009, 11:59:31 PM
Here's another KK post:

I don't know if he ever actually went to juvie. All I know for sure is he gets picked on a lot (my kids have participated verbally and been in trouble for this as well) by kids trying to get a reaction - spitting, name calling etc. - To my knowledge that is where most of his trouble has been with little fights amongst kids and complaints from them or their parents.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 12:00:37 AM
I am not sure what this will bring up but this is an interesting page I found. It talks about a few different things.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 02, 2009, 12:04:48 AM
Ricky Self, RSO, lives in Skagit County.  That is approximately 3 hours from McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 12:05:31 AM
Here's another KK post:

I don't know if he ever actually went to juvie. All I know for sure is he gets picked on a lot (my kids have participated verbally and been in trouble for this as well) by kids trying to get a reaction - spitting, name calling etc. - To my knowledge that is where most of his trouble has been with little fights amongst kids and complaints from them or their parents.

I would love to hear the parents complaints!

Your son got mad at my son when he spit on him!!!
Or
Your son pushed my son when my son spit and called him names!

How dare Josh not just sit and take it!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 12:05:50 AM
I guess I'll just say it then. 

I do believe you DD, I believe in your research, in your findings.  And I trust what you say, even the things you know about that you cannot say.  I just want to say that first, cuz I don't want you thinking I am questioning you, or directing this at you in any way.  I've worked with you in the Cantu case, and admire/respect you greatly.  Setting your research aside for a minute, I'm gonna speak to what we've read from what's been reported in the news, from locals, friends, and so-called friends (from earlier on in the case). 

I do have questions, from time to time, about this case.  I like to take what's been reported in the media and dig into it, looking at it from any angle.  But have been sitting on my hands and not posting very many of my questions, not like I would and have in other cases.   As some in here know, I've leaped right in with everyone, researched and questioned alongside locals and non-locals alike. 

Just seems in this case, for whatever reason, there are feathers that get ruffled.  My intent (and those of other monkeys am sure), is not to hurt the family, friends and/or locals.  My intent is to dig for the truth.  And yet.. seems when we do 'question' something we've read about, someone somewhere in this case gets hurt feelings.  Again, that's not the intention.  It's really really hard to dig in a case, question things when they don't make sense or don't add up, without hurting someone in the process.  If I question something about a family member, for example, I'm not trying to sit in judgement on that person, I'm trying to more fully understand the situation.  And etc. 

So I've sat back, a lot.  And it's frustrating.  Just as much as it must be for others.  Am not directing this to any one person involved in this case!  Am just saying how frustrating it is for me, this case.... The ever-changing info.  Truths?  How do we know when it doesn't make sense and we cannot dig in and ask questions about it without hurting someone?  Or have our intentions taken wrongly? 

I dunno.. Just wanted to share that.  Cuz I want what we all want.. Lindsey home with her family and justice brought for her and whatever may have happened. 



Thanks for expressing this Wyks and for yours and others work and passion to find Lindsey.  I feel the same way you do, sometimes it's like walking on eggshells.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 12:07:06 AM
Was over in the 'backward speech' site, reading/listening to other cases, and the findings.  Would love to see that done for anyone in this case.  Who all in this case has been interviewed on video/tv, anyone know? 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 12:09:12 AM
whats backward speech?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 12:12:40 AM
I am not sure what this will bring up but this is an interesting page I found. It talks about a few different things.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820

Thanks, TG!  It's crazy reading thru all that, and realizing we are still wondering.. what is fact?  what is rumor?  sigh...

By the way.. love those blinking eyes of your lil monkey!  too cute!!   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 12:14:36 AM

Thanks for expressing this Wyks and for yours and others work and passion to find Lindsey.  I feel the same way you do, sometimes it's like walking on eggshells.

You're welcome, Madre, and thank you!  Yep, that's how it feels alright, eggshells. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
I want to thank everyone who piped in with comments on my thought a 13 yr old would have a hard time disposing of a body by himself.  The possibility family could step in to protect him with assistance is there, as we all know from studying crime, stranger things have happened!

I have probably been the one having the most doubts about KK and her changing stories.  They did change and she even apologized for it.  That always sends up red flags, and the reason I got a niggling feeling was, you know her daughter had to tell her everything she knew.  IMO  Then learning her daughter watched Lindsey walk out of sight, so to speak, till the tree foliage hid her from view, I thought how odd, and why would she stand there and watch her like that?  ???  ???

I swore I would not post anything about the dreadful cut as I could not fathom it had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance.

Maybe we have been on the wrong track all along.  We have thought about strangers like the many SO's in the area {profilers say no, it is someone who she knew} and now hear from LE the POI is a local young man {who IMO might well have known her due to location, location}.  Her family or the family of someone in her close circle of friends, yes, it could be possible.

Maybe we don't want that to be true and so skirt the possibility.  I think we need more info to go further with that since it is a touchy matter.  Anything is possible and like we have heard, no one at this point that lives in the McCleary area is beyond suspicion.  Two have passed LDT's but even that does not always mean it is the fact.

xox  {sorry this got so long}



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 12:20:55 AM
Can some kind monkey please show me where it was originally stated that the photo was of KaraK's son's arm?  These are the only two posts I see of hers regarding the injury and it doesn't say either way.

Quote
Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

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I know it looks like a crappy job but I was pleased considering how much the skin had retracted since it was just the top layer of skin. I remember the doctor saying it wouldn't look great but followed up with a "But that is what happens with these types of cuts because its like trying to sew toilet paper."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 12:21:52 AM
Comment from Karak re the stitching job....

"I know it looks like a crappy job but I was pleased considering how much the skin had retracted since it was just the top layer of skin. I remember the doctor saying it wouldn't look great but followed up with a "But that is what happens with these types of cuts because its like trying to sew toilet paper."

skin retracted? This was posted by Kara on the 8th, the original post says he spend 4th of July there and when it happened they drove him home..How long does it take for skin to retract? like hours? I would think a few days, no?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 12:22:33 AM
whats backward speech?

There are more technical terms for it.  Basically, speech reversal.  Here's one site that explains it all, and a little snippet I've taken from part of his definition of it:

"It can be said that Reverse Speech is the ultimate truth detector. Speech reversals will add to information left out in forward speech, and negate forward speech with the truth if a lie is told. A speech reversal can occur even if someone is talking about one subject, but thinking of another. "

I've been over there reading his findings on the players in the Haleigh case.  Wishing he could/would do some stuff in this case.  Might be an eye-opener, for sure. 

If you want to read and hear some of his work, just click on 'examples'. 

http://www.backwardstate.com/index.html (http://www.backwardstate.com/index.html)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 12:23:54 AM
This is the quote from KaraK that I remember....


Mamma is that not a beauty ... HOLY CRAP ..that HURT

yep ..whats up with the stitch up job...i want the name of that doctor


I know it looks like a crappy job but I was pleased considering how much the skin had retracted since it was just the top layer of skin. I remember the doctor saying it wouldn't look great but followed up with a "But that is what happens with these types of cuts because its like trying to sew toilet paper." 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 12:24:20 AM
I believe it said it on the myspace..He posted a pic and made a comment


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 12:29:04 AM
I am not sure what this will bring up but this is an interesting page I found. It talks about a few different things.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820

Thanks, TG!  It's crazy reading thru all that, and realizing we are still wondering.. what is fact?  what is rumor?  sigh...

By the way.. love those blinking eyes of your lil monkey!  too cute!!   



CBB said she made the eyes blink because little monkey girl is flying, she didn't want her to have dry eyes! So cute! I love her so much, honestly it I have this strange attachment to her, lol. Thank you for finding her for me!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 12:30:29 AM
Here's another KK post:

I don't know if he ever actually went to juvie. All I know for sure is he gets picked on a lot (my kids have participated verbally and been in trouble for this as well) by kids trying to get a reaction - spitting, name calling etc. - To my knowledge that is where most of his trouble has been with little fights amongst kids and complaints from them or their parents.

Unfortunately ... children who possess social disorders are often the target of ongoing ridicule by their peers and ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++ 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


... Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up. Really sad that kids do that sort of thing but it happened back when I was little to so I guess its not a new thing but I believe it is far more common now days - still not at all acceptable or called for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...
http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 12:32:46 AM
Oh for goodness sakes, here is a link to most of KK's posts that Bearlyhere made in the KK thread, duh on me!!! 
:smt103 :smt104 :smt107 :smt120 :colors: :smt047 :smt012 :smt017 :smt012 :smt017 :smt103 :smt112 :smt107

Thank you Bearlyhere wherever you are!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6810;sa=showPosts


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 12:33:15 AM
I am not sure what this will bring up but this is an interesting page I found. It talks about a few different things.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870820#msg870820

Thanks, TG!  It's crazy reading thru all that, and realizing we are still wondering.. what is fact?  what is rumor?  sigh...

By the way.. love those blinking eyes of your lil monkey!  too cute!!   



CBB said she made the eyes blink because little monkey girl is flying, she didn't want her to have dry eyes! So cute! I love her so much, honestly it I have this strange attachment to her, lol. Thank you for finding her for me!

Awwwww how sweet is that!  Yep, CBB does awesome work, and watches out for our monks!  lol 

And ya welcome, my pleasure.  Love watching the different changes in her. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 12:33:29 AM
I seldom post and so I know that people on this board don't know me at all but I feel compelled to voice my opinion.   ::MonkeyCool::

I just reread all of KaraK's posts.   And I don't see anything hinky.  In fact, she was very articulate and open to everyone looking into her and her background.  I got the sense that she felt awful and guilty for sending Lindsey home and wanted to something, anything to help.   I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't be looked into further but before the cut thing gets out of hand...why not reread her posts?  Or maybe many of you will still think she is hinky and for some reason I just relate to the way she writes.  I don't know.

I'm not another person trying to redirect or spread rumors.  I live on the East coast and don't know any of these people.  I started reading here when Caylee went missing.  So it may seem odd that I come out of the rafters to defend KaraK but I guess I am really puzzled to why people find her so odd.  When I read her posts, they make sense to me. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 12:37:05 AM

<snipped>

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM »


Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870836;topicseen#msg870836




KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1794 on: July 09, 2009, 03:00:15 AM »


I know it looks like a crappy job but I was pleased considering how much the skin had retracted since it was just the top layer of skin. I remember the doctor saying it wouldn't look great but followed up with a "But that is what happens with these types of cuts because its like trying to sew toilet paper."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871041;topicseen#msg871041


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 02, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
Hi,
Does anyone know if Scott Williams, (KK's boyfriend) is the father of any of KK's kids? I know he passed a LDT early on, but LOTS of people can pass LDT's and that is why they are not admissable in court. We really do not know too much about him, do we? I find the whole thing odd with KK's son's wound. As Tracygirl pointed out, it could be many different things. What is making me feel ill is that this poor kid must have had to sit there while someone did an "at home stitch job". How painful would that be? If the family did not have the finances for this, I am sure that they would have qualified for a government health care program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 12:49:48 AM
I seldom post and so I know that people on this board don't know me at all but I feel compelled to voice my opinion.   ::MonkeyCool::

I just reread all of KaraK's posts.   And I don't see anything hinky.  In fact, she was very articulate and open to everyone looking into her and her background.  I got the sense that she felt awful and guilty for sending Lindsey home and wanted to something, anything to help.   I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't be looked into further but before the cut thing gets out of hand...why not reread her posts?  Or maybe many of you will still think she is hinky and for some reason I just relate to the way she writes.  I don't know.

I'm not another person trying to redirect or spread rumors.  I live on the East coast and don't know any of these people.  I started reading here when Caylee went missing.  So it may seem odd that I come out of the rafters to defend KaraK but I guess I am really puzzled to why people find her so odd.  When I read her posts, they make sense to me. 


Hi Day old,

Really looking at her posts they end in July I believe.  It is now the first of October, and alot of new information, or more confusing information has come forward since then.  When you look back to what was said then, and what little additional info that we know now, and you tried to tie it all in, it doesn't always make sense.  She may be trying to be truthful, or she may not.  We don't know, so we question more.  She quit posting, so it is not possible to ask her more questions of clarification.   

With that, this grandma is going to call it a night.  Sleep warm all. nitey nite


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 12:52:41 AM
Okay last thought before I head off to bed.

What I was trying to say in my other post is that when I started reading KaraK's posts from her first post to her last, they really seem truthful.  She isn't getting angry at anyone (although I did sense she was frustrated with LE) despite the many questions and insinuations.  She seems desperate to get any info she can before the FBI leave the scene.  She even answers questions that other monkeys have since posted:  like, yes there was another plan in place....if it was dark, her 3 older children walked Lindsey home.  She was working on her computer writing an article at the time Lindsey went missing, so that is how she is sure of a certain time and might be why LE took her hard drive.  She sounds like she reacted the way many monkeys said they would, open to a polygraph, open to searches, open to them taking whatever they needed in order to rule her out and move on to finding Lindsey.   

It just seems like someone remembers a post about something or reading somewhere and even if a mistruth is cleared up, it still goes on and on.  Because next month someone else will post remembering hearing something about it and it starts going all over again.  KWIM?  And this is in no way directed towards anyone in particular here or even SM in general.  I guess I'm just frustrated.  WHERE IS LINDSEY????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 12:55:21 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepters!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 02, 2009, 12:58:21 AM

<snipped>

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM »


Heck no! I couldn't of handled that. He went with family (Grandma, Grandpa, aunts etc) to a cabin for fourth of July and slept walked over the railing of the loft - knocked down a picture frame on his way down and then landed on it. They drove him home to me and we took him to the local hospital - looked gory but it was apparently not deep but filleted **gross**. Ended up with 18 stitches and not allowed to ever sleep in the loft again.

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Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1794 on: July 09, 2009, 03:00:15 AM »


I know it looks like a crappy job but I was pleased considering how much the skin had retracted since it was just the top layer of skin. I remember the doctor saying it wouldn't look great but followed up with a "But that is what happens with these types of cuts because its like trying to sew toilet paper."

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 01:01:11 AM
I seldom post and so I know that people on this board don't know me at all but I feel compelled to voice my opinion.   ::MonkeyCool::

I just reread all of KaraK's posts.   And I don't see anything hinky.  In fact, she was very articulate and open to everyone looking into her and her background.  I got the sense that she felt awful and guilty for sending Lindsey home and wanted to something, anything to help.   I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't be looked into further but before the cut thing gets out of hand...why not reread her posts?  Or maybe many of you will still think she is hinky and for some reason I just relate to the way she writes.  I don't know.

I'm not another person trying to redirect or spread rumors.  I live on the East coast and don't know any of these people.  I started reading here when Caylee went missing.  So it may seem odd that I come out of the rafters to defend KaraK but I guess I am really puzzled to why people find her so odd.  When I read her posts, they make sense to me. 

Thanks DayOldDonuts (love your name).   I respect your opinion.  I guess we look at things differently and that's OK.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 01:01:56 AM
If you look at any of my old posts I was not even looking at Karak for the reasons you state. As AZ said, as things develop you can see things not connecting? I am still not sure what is going on...the time lines have been questioned but I also know if you are not sitting there looking at a clock you do not know what time it is. I would be awful at that, I have the worse sense of time. I also think, well she was busy working and the kids are asking her questions or going in and out, she wasn't paying attention so that may explain it. I just don't know...

So many things are possible, seems like this little girl just went poof and vanished. Someone knows something, someone is hiding something or covering something...What it is? Who knows at this point.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 01:02:40 AM
I seldom post and so I know that people on this board don't know me at all but I feel compelled to voice my opinion.   ::MonkeyCool::

I just reread all of KaraK's posts.   And I don't see anything hinky.  In fact, she was very articulate and open to everyone looking into her and her background.  I got the sense that she felt awful and guilty for sending Lindsey home and wanted to something, anything to help.   I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't be looked into further but before the cut thing gets out of hand...why not reread her posts?  Or maybe many of you will still think she is hinky and for some reason I just relate to the way she writes.  I don't know.

I'm not another person trying to redirect or spread rumors.  I live on the East coast and don't know any of these people.  I started reading here when Caylee went missing.  So it may seem odd that I come out of the rafters to defend KaraK but I guess I am really puzzled to why people find her so odd.  When I read her posts, they make sense to me. 


Hi Day old,

Really looking at her posts they end in July I believe.  It is now the first of October, and alot of new information, or more confusing information has come forward since then.  When you look back to what was said then, and what little additional info that we know now, and you tried to tie it all in, it doesn't always make sense.  She may be trying to be truthful, or she may not.  We don't know, so we question more.  She quit posting, so it is not possible to ask her more questions of clarification.   

With that, this grandma is going to call it a night.  Sleep warm all. nitey nite

Thank you for responding, AZSunny.  I understand your point, and it's a good one.  I'm not good with keeping the details (like all the streets) straight in my head so it could very well be that I'm missing a big discrepancy.  And yes, it could look damning that she stopped posting.  But, I just sort of figured that either a.) LE told her to stop or b.) the desperation started wearing away as regular life started settling back in for her.  At that point, she could have realized that her own children were being put in jeopardy by having her life picked apart and with Lindsey missing, she isn't going to take any chances.  I know that after reading here, I want to go hug my own kids extra tight because it is just so horrific.  So I would think she would go the extra mile to keep her own kids safe, given the situation.  I don't, however, think she was trying to cover up her son's crime.  JMO, of course!

Night all...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 01:04:54 AM
Okay last thought before I head off to bed.

What I was trying to say in my other post is that when I started reading KaraK's posts from her first post to her last, they really seem truthful.  She isn't getting angry at anyone (although I did sense she was frustrated with LE) despite the many questions and insinuations.  She seems desperate to get any info she can before the FBI leave the scene.  She even answers questions that other monkeys have since posted:  like, yes there was another plan in place....if it was dark, her 3 older children walked Lindsey home.  She was working on her computer writing an article at the time Lindsey went missing, so that is how she is sure of a certain time and might be why LE took her hard drive.  She sounds like she reacted the way many monkeys said they would, open to a polygraph, open to searches, open to them taking whatever they needed in order to rule her out and move on to finding Lindsey.   

It just seems like someone remembers a post about something or reading somewhere and even if a mistruth is cleared up, it still goes on and on.  Because next month someone else will post remembering hearing something about it and it starts going all over again.  KWIM?  And this is in no way directed towards anyone in particular here or even SM in general.  I guess I'm just frustrated.  WHERE IS LINDSEY????

Hi DayOld,  I respect your opinion but always wondered why she did not take a LDT?  She was one of the last people to see Lindsey before she vanished!  If police asked her BF to give a LDT, why not her?  Hmmmm  That doesn't compute to me.  xox

I read it was the BF who told Lindsey she couldn't stay the night but don't have the link.  I have often wondered if KK was really at the home when Lindsey took off for her home.  IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 01:07:25 AM
Hi,
Does anyone know if Scott Williams, (KK's boyfriend) is the father of any of KK's kids? I know he passed a LDT early on, but LOTS of people can pass LDT's and that is why they are not admissable in court. We really do not know too much about him, do we? I find the whole thing odd with KK's son's wound. As Tracygirl pointed out, it could be many different things. What is making me feel ill is that this poor kid must have had to sit there while someone did an "at home stitch job". How painful would that be? If the family did not have the finances for this, I am sure that they would have qualified for a government health care program.

I believe Williams is the father of some of her children.  I remember reading that they were together before, took a break, and got back together again after growing up some.

I've been in the healthcare industry for most of my career, not a clinician though, but any E.R. at any hospital I've ever worked at would have attended to that wound, whether Kara's son had a payor source or not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
If you look at any of my old posts I was not even looking at Karak for the reasons you state. As AZ said, as things develop you can see things not connecting? I am still not sure what is going on...the time lines have been questioned but I also know if you are not sitting there looking at a clock you do not know what time it is. I would be awful at that, I have the worse sense of time. I also think, well she was busy working and the kids are asking her questions or going in and out, she wasn't paying attention so that may explain it. I just don't know...

So many things are possible, seems like this little girl just went poof and vanished. Someone knows something, someone is hiding something or covering something...What it is? Who knows at this point.

I'm sorry, Tracygirl if I sounded like I was criticizing you for questioning KaraK.  I really don't know what you, in particular, were looking at as far as questioning her.  Or anyone, for that matter.  I was just surprised to read how many people thought she was hinky, I guess.  And I can totally see how when I said to reread her posts, that could sound snarky.  I really didn't mean it that way at all.  I had just reread her posts together and that was what I meant.  Not implying that the monkeys weren't paying attention or doing their homework or anything like that.  I hope I didn't offend anyone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 01:12:52 AM
If you look at any of my old posts I was not even looking at Karak for the reasons you state. As AZ said, as things develop you can see things not connecting? I am still not sure what is going on...the time lines have been questioned but I also know if you are not sitting there looking at a clock you do not know what time it is. I would be awful at that, I have the worse sense of time. I also think, well she was busy working and the kids are asking her questions or going in and out, she wasn't paying attention so that may explain it. I just don't know...

So many things are possible, seems like this little girl just went poof and vanished. Someone knows something, someone is hiding something or covering something...What it is? Who knows at this point.

You didn't offend anyone!  Take care and sleep tight. ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm sorry, Tracygirl if I sounded like I was criticizing you for questioning KaraK.  I really don't know what you, in particular, were looking at as far as questioning her.  Or anyone, for that matter.  I was just surprised to read how many people thought she was hinky, I guess.  And I can totally see how when I said to reread her posts, that could sound snarky.  I really didn't mean it that way at all.  I had just reread her posts together and that was what I meant.  Not implying that the monkeys weren't paying attention or doing their homework or anything like that.  I hope I didn't offend anyone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 01:14:08 AM
If you look at any of my old posts I was not even looking at Karak for the reasons you state. As AZ said, as things develop you can see things not connecting? I am still not sure what is going on...the time lines have been questioned but I also know if you are not sitting there looking at a clock you do not know what time it is. I would be awful at that, I have the worse sense of time. I also think, well she was busy working and the kids are asking her questions or going in and out, she wasn't paying attention so that may explain it. I just don't know...

So many things are possible, seems like this little girl just went poof and vanished. Someone knows something, someone is hiding something or covering something...What it is? Who knows at this point.



I'm sorry, Tracygirl if I sounded like I was criticizing you for questioning KaraK.  I really don't know what you, in particular, were looking at as far as questioning her.  Or anyone, for that matter.  I was just surprised to read how many people thought she was hinky, I guess.  And I can totally see how when I said to reread her posts, that could sound snarky.  I really didn't mean it that way at all.  I had just reread her posts together and that was what I meant.  Not implying that the monkeys weren't paying attention or doing their homework or anything like that.  I hope I didn't offend anyone.


Sorry for getting in your quote DayOldDonuts! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 01:17:01 AM
Oh for goodness sakes, here is a link to most of KK's posts that Bearlyhere made in the KK thread, duh on me!!! 
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Thank you Bearlyhere wherever you are!

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 01:26:34 AM
I seldom post and so I know that people on this board don't know me at all but I feel compelled to voice my opinion.   ::MonkeyCool::

I just reread all of KaraK's posts.   And I don't see anything hinky.  In fact, she was very articulate and open to everyone looking into her and her background.  I got the sense that she felt awful and guilty for sending Lindsey home and wanted to something, anything to help.   I'm not trying to imply that she shouldn't be looked into further but before the cut thing gets out of hand...why not reread her posts?  Or maybe many of you will still think she is hinky and for some reason I just relate to the way she writes.  I don't know.

I'm not another person trying to redirect or spread rumors.  I live on the East coast and don't know any of these people.  I started reading here when Caylee went missing.  So it may seem odd that I come out of the rafters to defend KaraK but I guess I am really puzzled to why people find her so odd.  When I read her posts, they make sense to me. 

Thanks DayOldDonuts (love your name).   I respect your opinion.  I guess we look at things differently and that's OK.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you. ::MonkeyDogWalk3::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 02, 2009, 01:27:49 AM
Okay last thought before I head off to bed.

What I was trying to say in my other post is that when I started reading KaraK's posts from her first post to her last, they really seem truthful.  She isn't getting angry at anyone (although I did sense she was frustrated with LE) despite the many questions and insinuations.  She seems desperate to get any info she can before the FBI leave the scene.  She even answers questions that other monkeys have since posted:  like, yes there was another plan in place....if it was dark, her 3 older children walked Lindsey home.  She was working on her computer writing an article at the time Lindsey went missing, so that is how she is sure of a certain time and might be why LE took her hard drive.  She sounds like she reacted the way many monkeys said they would, open to a polygraph, open to searches, open to them taking whatever they needed in order to rule her out and move on to finding Lindsey.   

It just seems like someone remembers a post about something or reading somewhere and even if a mistruth is cleared up, it still goes on and on.  Because next month someone else will post remembering hearing something about it and it starts going all over again.  KWIM?  And this is in no way directed towards anyone in particular here or even SM in general.  I guess I'm just frustrated.  WHERE IS LINDSEY????

Hi DayOld,  I respect your opinion but always wondered why she did not take a LDT?  She was one of the last people to see Lindsey before she vanished!  If police asked her BF to give a LDT, why not her?  Hmmmm  That doesn't compute to me.  xox

I read it was the BF who told Lindsey she couldn't stay the night but don't have the link.  I have often wondered if KK was really at the home when Lindsey took off for her home.  IMO

Thanks for the reply, Scandi.  As for the lie detector, she posted that she had offered to take one and that they had never called her in.  So, I guess they asked her boyfriend to take one, which he did.  By taking her hard drive I would think LE has proof that she was typing away, as she says.  If I knew I didn't do anything wrong and thought LE had proof that seemed to satisfy them (the computer), then I don't think I would hassle them to make me take a lie detector test.   LE is not focusing on her (I think, but of course can't know that), thereby taking away resources from finding Lindsey, so what good would a lie detector test do? 

I think you are right and the boyfriend was the one who didn't want Lindsey over.  I think KaraK said it was because the kids were noisy.  But, IMO, I think she was home. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 02, 2009, 01:34:11 AM
Quote
But, IMO, I think she was home.
who?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 02, 2009, 01:40:52 AM
Hi,
Does anyone know if Scott Williams, (KK's boyfriend) is the father of any of KK's kids? I know he passed a LDT early on, but LOTS of people can pass LDT's and that is why they are not admissable in court. We really do not know too much about him, do we? I find the whole thing odd with KK's son's wound. As Tracygirl pointed out, it could be many different things. What is making me feel ill is that this poor kid must have had to sit there while someone did an "at home stitch job". How painful would that be? If the family did not have the finances for this, I am sure that they would have qualified for a government health care program.

I believe Williams is the father of some of her children.  I remember reading that they were together before, took a break, and got back together again after growing up some.

I've been in the healthcare industry for most of my career, not a clinician though, but any E.R. at any hospital I've ever worked at would have attended to that wound, whether Kara's son had a payor source or not.

Hi Madre!
I agree that they would have been accepted at any hospital. So.........why did an amateur attend to this wound? I get the eebie geebies looking at the wound and thinking of that kid going through that!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 01:45:51 AM
Hi,
Does anyone know if Scott Williams, (KK's boyfriend) is the father of any of KK's kids? I know he passed a LDT early on, but LOTS of people can pass LDT's and that is why they are not admissable in court. We really do not know too much about him, do we? I find the whole thing odd with KK's son's wound. As Tracygirl pointed out, it could be many different things. What is making me feel ill is that this poor kid must have had to sit there while someone did an "at home stitch job". How painful would that be? If the family did not have the finances for this, I am sure that they would have qualified for a government health care program.

I believe Williams is the father of some of her children.  I remember reading that they were together before, took a break, and got back together again after growing up some.

I've been in the healthcare industry for most of my career, not a clinician though, but any E.R. at any hospital I've ever worked at would have attended to that wound, whether Kara's son had a payor source or not.

Hi Madre!
I agree that they would have been accepted at any hospital. So.........why did an amateur attend to this wound? I get the eebie geebies looking at the wound and thinking of that kid going through that!

No kidding!!!  I don't know why someone would possibly put the boy through that, unless, they didn't want to take him to a hospital/Dr.?!?   The hospital is right there close to Kara (behind Lindsey's home actually).  Kara said her family brought him home 1st and then to him to "the hospital". 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 01:52:26 AM
Goodnight all!

Saying a prayer for Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 01:54:11 AM
Quote
But, IMO, I think she was home.
who?


Hi there Mamacrazy,  KaraK.

I'm sitting here watching the Mentalist as I type, and the thought just hit me that in every crime, there is always a clue, something that is, in the end, the telling factor that puts the last piece of the puzzle in place for the investigation.  In real life it just takes longer to be discovered IMO.

What is it in Lindsey's case that we are missing?  There has to be something that raises a brow, is out of cinq, found where it should not have been, or is a discrete link which is hard to decipher in the case that will be the Gestalt moment and without question put everything the investigators have learned into complete focus. 

There is something we haven't picked up on yet or learned.  I wanna find out what it could be and I know it is what we are all looking for because we all want Lindsey brought back home.  Finding the one who has caused her to be lost to all could easily lead to her being located.  We all want that to happen.

It might be right underneath our noses.     xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 01:59:01 AM
Oh my goodness, Could a Mod please repair my post?  It was not intended to be all bolded!  Holy Horrors  ::MonkeyShocked::  'There is always a clue' is what was meant to be bolded.    {I don't see any Monkey Embarrased smiley ;}

Ok, 2 beers and it's time for me to hit the hay.  <<Hugs>>


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 02, 2009, 02:12:55 AM
Quote
But, IMO, I think she was home.
who?


Hi there Mamacrazy,  KaraK.

I'm sitting here watching the Mentalist as I type, and the thought just hit me that in every crime, there is always a clue, something that is, in the end, the telling factor that puts the last piece of the puzzle in place for the investigation.  In real life it just takes longer to be discovered IMO.

What is it in Lindsey's case that we are missing?  There has to be something that raises a brow, is out of cinq, found where it should not have been, or is a discrete link which is hard to decipher in the case that will be the Gestalt moment and without question put everything the investigators have learned into complete focus. 

There is something we haven't picked up on yet or learned.  I wanna find out what it could be and I know it is what we are all looking for because we all want Lindsey brought back home.  Finding the one who has caused her to be lost to all could easily lead to her being located.  We all want that to happen.

It might be right underneath our noses.     xox
so kk was on the same time i was?  cool!  i got some questions.  how'd i miss her? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 02, 2009, 02:15:48 AM
oohhhh.... ::MonkeyRoll::
i get it now.  took me a min ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 02:19:26 AM
I will be good  I will be good  I will be good   I will be good  I will be good  I will be good...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzz shortcake   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 02, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
sweet dreams short cake. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 02, 2009, 02:32:07 AM
Quote
But, IMO, I think she was home.
who?


Hi there Mamacrazy,  KaraK.

I'm sitting here watching the Mentalist as I type, and the thought just hit me that in every crime, there is always a clue, something that is, in the end, the telling factor that puts the last piece of the puzzle in place for the investigation.  In real life it just takes longer to be discovered IMO.

What is it in Lindsey's case that we are missing?  There has to be something that raises a brow, is out of cinq, found where it should not have been, or is a discrete link which is hard to decipher in the case that will be the Gestalt moment and without question put everything the investigators have learned into complete focus. 

There is something we haven't picked up on yet or learned.  I wanna find out what it could be and I know it is what we are all looking for because we all want Lindsey brought back home.  Finding the one who has caused her to be lost to all could easily lead to her being located.  We all want that to happen.

It might be right underneath our noses.     xox

Hi Scandi!
The only person close to this case and all the players that is posting is MM. I would love to hear EXACTLY what transpired the night that Lindsey went missing. It is my understanding that MM was not with MB when Lindsey went missing, but she did talk to MB on the night that Lindsey went missing. I wish she could recall EXACTLY what was said. Maybe there is a clue in there somewhere and she may not even know that she has it. If this is not making sense, please forgive me, it is late.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 02:56:23 AM
Quote
But, IMO, I think she was home.
who?


Hi there Mamacrazy,  KaraK.

I'm sitting here watching the Mentalist as I type, and the thought just hit me that in every crime, there is always a clue, something that is, in the end, the telling factor that puts the last piece of the puzzle in place for the investigation.  In real life it just takes longer to be discovered IMO.

What is it in Lindsey's case that we are missing?  There has to be something that raises a brow, is out of cinq, found where it should not have been, or is a discrete link which is hard to decipher in the case that will be the Gestalt moment and without question put everything the investigators have learned into complete focus. 

There is something we haven't picked up on yet or learned.  I wanna find out what it could be and I know it is what we are all looking for because we all want Lindsey brought back home.  Finding the one who has caused her to be lost to all could easily lead to her being located.  We all want that to happen.

It might be right underneath our noses.     xox

Hi Scandi!
The only person close to this case and all the players that is posting is MM. I would love to hear EXACTLY what transpired the night that Lindsey went missing. It is my understanding that MM was not with MB when Lindsey went missing, but she did talk to MB on the night that Lindsey went missing. I wish she could recall EXACTLY what was said. Maybe there is a clue in there somewhere and she may not even know that she has it. If this is not making sense, please forgive me, it is late.

Hi Sebastian,  It seems to me an excellent idea and makes perfect sense to me.  There might be something she is unconsciously holding in her mind.  It could be something Lindsey said that night when she was home,a comment running out the door, or even mayby a place where she and her friends often went when she was out after dark that MB was aware of from small talk in the home.

It also could be a clue from her internet activity.  Who knows?  There is something for sure.  I thought LE had connected the links to show probable cause.  Unless they release the document/s I am wondering if they are holding back now for some reason.

I'm off to bed but will see you bright and early in the morning.  xox to Sleuthers all


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 03:02:55 AM
If MM and MB were good friends, MB could have commented to her that night on something that seemed unimportant at the time.  There would have been the panic at first and then just conversing before MB took off to search.  Do we know if the two ladies spoke right after Lindsey went missing or even later in the evening??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 06:03:45 AM
I used the SM search engine and ... this appears to be the only past post submitted to the forum on Ricky Self.

Janet

++++


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1750 on: July 28, 2009, 12:01:05 PM »


bb in a bit, have some chores still to do ugh.  then I will get the SELF stuff all organized and see if the Ricky Self is connected, which I am sure he is.  Maybe he was on 6th and Larson?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg892101;topicseen#msg892101

Thanks Janet
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 06:26:02 AM
Ricky Self, RSO, lives in Skagit County.  That is approximately 3 hours from McCleary.
Thanks HeidisMom


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 09:51:28 AM

I've been in the healthcare industry for most of my career, not a clinician though, but any E.R. at any hospital I've ever worked at would have attended to that wound, whether Kara's son had a payor source or not.
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Hi Madre!
I agree that they would have been accepted at any hospital. So.........why did an amateur attend to this wound? I get the eebie geebies looking at the wound and thinking of that kid going through that!
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Hi All ! I ususally lurk, don't post much...and I think I botched quoting from Madre and Sebestian..sorry !

I'm just throwing this out there about that nasty stitch job on that kid's wound.  It has really been bothering me as well...

I used to live in a very large metropolitan area. I worked/lived/came into contact with many different people, from all walks of life... from CEO's of large companies, down to the homeless and the gang bangers....(I am not in the healthcare field..) 
But I have seen two situations firsthand, that happened within a week of each other...
a person who was indigent and had no insurance, and a VP of the company I worked for...both suffered comparable "cutting" injuries (the CEO sliced himself badly while making dinner; the indigent person was attacked with a knife by gang members).  Both were treated at the same local hospital for their wounds.
Well, the CEO of course, had top notch insurance, received excellent care by doctors, and the "scar" left by the wound was almost unnoticeable after the accident.  Excellent stitch job...
The indigent person unfortunately had no insurance, so was treated in ER after waiting many hours.... and was left with a horrific scar, caught an infection because it wasn't treated properly, etc.... That stitch job made me physically ill after seeing it, just like the scar the child has that we are all discussing here... 
So I wonder if money truly doesnt have something to do with the type of care received by this child?  Just sayin'.. and I do not mean to offend anyone in any way by my post...Just throwin' this out there....not defending KK or accusing her either, just trying to give my two cents... please don't throw nanners at me ! :-)

(one more thing: in my childhood, my family led a meager existence also, and I have a very large, ugly scar on my leg that I was told could have turned out much "prettier" if only I had gone to the doctor for stitiches...  I never went to doctor, or told my parents, just let it heal itself, cuz I knew momma and daddy couldn't "afford" to take me to the hospital to get it stitched.... 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 10:16:05 AM
lindsey was tracked out into the woods. its possible she went there on her own free will. i think we should remember that is always a possibility.  who would she have gone out there with?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 10:23:18 AM

I've been in the healthcare industry for most of my career, not a clinician though, but any E.R. at any hospital I've ever worked at would have attended to that wound, whether Kara's son had a payor source or not.

Hi Madre!
I agree that they would have been accepted at any hospital. So.........why did an amateur attend to this wound? I get the eebie geebies looking at the wound and thinking of that kid going through that!
[/quote]


Hi All ! I ususally lurk, don't post much...and I think I botched quoting from Madre and Sebestian..sorry !

I'm just throwing this out there about that nasty stitch job on that kid's wound.  It has really been bothering me as well...

I used to live in a very large metropolitan area. I worked/lived/came into contact with many different people, from all walks of life... from CEO's of large companies, down to the homeless and the gang bangers....(I am not in the healthcare field..) 
But I have seen two situations firsthand, that happened within a week of each other...
a person who was indigent and had no insurance, and a VP of the company I worked for...both suffered comparable "cutting" injuries (the CEO sliced himself badly while making dinner; the indigent person was attacked with a knife by gang members).  Both were treated at the same local hospital for their wounds.
Well, the CEO of course, had top notch insurance, received excellent care by doctors, and the "scar" left by the wound was almost unnoticeable after the accident.  Excellent stitch job...
The indigent person unfortunately had no insurance, so was treated in ER after waiting many hours.... and was left with a horrific scar, caught an infection because it wasn't treated properly, etc.... That stitch job made me physically ill after seeing it, just like the scar the child has that we are all discussing here... 
So I wonder if money truly doesnt have something to do with the type of care received by this child?  Just sayin'.. and I do not mean to offend anyone in any way by my post...Just throwin' this out there....not defending KK or accusing her either, just trying to give my two cents... please don't throw nanners at me ! :-)

(one more thing: in my childhood, my family led a meager existence also, and I have a very large, ugly scar on my leg that I was told could have turned out much "prettier" if only I had gone to the doctor for stitiches...  I never went to doctor, or told my parents, just let it heal itself, cuz I knew momma and daddy couldn't "afford" to take me to the hospital to get it stitched.... 
[/quote]

Hi MonkeyinSC!  I am from the healthcare field and my experience is this.  (Other than never wanting to go to the health care facility you mention here!! LOL)  Anyway, the business side of the E.R. or hospital generally does not have direct communication with the medical staff regarding a patient's payor source.  The business pp. check insurance, get all your personal info, etc., set up your account, etc.  Once the patient is triaged in the E.R. and with medical staff, generally there is no mention of the payor source or lack thereof.  There are there to give care/treatment and the business  side deals with the other.  In fact, the health care facilities I have worked for have no identifiers of the patient's payor source available for the medical staff to see.  The thought behind  it was (1) Payor Source is not necessary in order for clinicians to render treatment (2) to not take a chance that treatment would be different because of the payor source - which would be unethical.  However, this would not be the case at an indigent clinc, by its very nature.

The local hospital in McCleary is called Mark Reed Hospital and is a Designated Level 5 Trauma Center.  The hospital and Emergency Department staff have to jump through hoops to get that designation.  While procedures as I've stated above might be different at Mark Reed, I really doubt it.  Other than the ethics involved in rendering negligent treatment to an indigent, they would expose themselves  to lawsuits and possibly lose their Level 5 Trauma status, which is a big deal.

Anyway, sorry for my wordy response MonkeyinSC! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 10:26:02 AM

I've been in the healthcare industry for most of my career, not a clinician though, but any E.R. at any hospital I've ever worked at would have attended to that wound, whether Kara's son had a payor source or not.

Hi Madre!
I agree that they would have been accepted at any hospital. So.........why did an amateur attend to this wound? I get the eebie geebies looking at the wound and thinking of that kid going through that!


Hi All ! I ususally lurk, don't post much...and I think I botched quoting from Madre and Sebestian..sorry !

I'm just throwing this out there about that nasty stitch job on that kid's wound.  It has really been bothering me as well...

I used to live in a very large metropolitan area. I worked/lived/came into contact with many different people, from all walks of life... from CEO's of large companies, down to the homeless and the gang bangers....(I am not in the healthcare field..) 
But I have seen two situations firsthand, that happened within a week of each other...
a person who was indigent and had no insurance, and a VP of the company I worked for...both suffered comparable "cutting" injuries (the CEO sliced himself badly while making dinner; the indigent person was attacked with a knife by gang members).  Both were treated at the same local hospital for their wounds.
Well, the CEO of course, had top notch insurance, received excellent care by doctors, and the "scar" left by the wound was almost unnoticeable after the accident.  Excellent stitch job...
The indigent person unfortunately had no insurance, so was treated in ER after waiting many hours.... and was left with a horrific scar, caught an infection because it wasn't treated properly, etc.... That stitch job made me physically ill after seeing it, just like the scar the child has that we are all discussing here... 
So I wonder if money truly doesnt have something to do with the type of care received by this child?  Just sayin'.. and I do not mean to offend anyone in any way by my post...Just throwin' this out there....not defending KK or accusing her either, just trying to give my two cents... please don't throw nanners at me ! :-)

(one more thing: in my childhood, my family led a meager existence also, and I have a very large, ugly scar on my leg that I was told could have turned out much "prettier" if only I had gone to the doctor for stitiches...  I never went to doctor, or told my parents, just let it heal itself, cuz I knew momma and daddy couldn't "afford" to take me to the hospital to get it stitched.... 
[/quote]

Sorry everyone. I don't know what happened to the quote stack in the previous post  ::MonkeyConfused:: Madre response below:

Hi MonkeyinSC!  I am from the healthcare field and my experience is this.  (Other than never wanting to go to the health care facility you mention here!! LOL)  Anyway, the business side of the E.R. or hospital generally does not have direct communication with the medical staff regarding a patient's payor source.  The business pp. check insurance, get all your personal info, etc., set up your account, etc.  Once the patient is triaged in the E.R. and with medical staff, generally there is no mention of the payor source or lack thereof.  There are there to give care/treatment and the business  side deals with the other.  In fact, the health care facilities I have worked for have no identifiers of the patient's payor source available for the medical staff to see.  The thought behind  it was (1) Payor Source is not necessary in order for clinicians to render treatment (2) to not take a chance that treatment would be different because of the payor source - which would be unethical.  However, this would not be the case at an indigent clinc, by its very nature.

The local hospital in McCleary is called Mark Reed Hospital and is a Designated Level 5 Trauma Center.  The hospital and Emergency Department staff have to jump through hoops to get that designation.  While procedures as I've stated above might be different at Mark Reed, I really doubt it.  Other than the ethics involved in rendering negligent treatment to an indigent, they would expose themselves  to lawsuits and possibly lose their Level 5 Trauma status, which is a big deal.

Anyway, sorry for my wordy response MonkeyinSC! ::MonkeyAngel::
[/quote]


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 10:28:41 AM
lindsey was tracked out into the woods. its possible she went there on her own free will. i think we should remember that is always a possibility.  who would she have gone out there with?

Good Morning sunshine.

What is the source that Lindsey was tracked out into the woods and ... what are the location of the woods?

Thanks

Janet
7:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 10:31:41 AM
lindsey was tracked out into the woods. its possible she went there on her own free will. i think we should remember that is always a possibility.  who would she have gone out there with?

Josh, Kara's daughter are my guesses off the top of my head Sunshine.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 10:32:41 AM
If MM and MB were good friends, MB could have commented to her that night on something that seemed unimportant at the time.  There would have been the panic at first and then just conversing before MB took off to search.  Do we know if the two ladies spoke right after Lindsey went missing or even later in the evening??

Scandi

Maybe when Melissa M. logs on she can share.  I am interested too.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
Janet- i was referring to harry o's dog search results. unless i was reading it wrong. i trust his results more than anything else in this case. in my opinion its the only scientific evidence we have so far


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 10:43:16 AM
Thanks so much for your reply, Madre ! Glad to have a health care person chime in...and sorry if my story came across wrong to anyone... just that I have seen/experienced instances of lower class people getting the "shaft" in life...so I try to advocate on their behalf when I can.. not that my story was advoating, or saying that anyone here is indigent...I was just telling my story.. and. ugh I need to shut up and stop rambling..will now crawl back into my corner. Thanks again Madre !


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 10:44:39 AM
Janet- i was referring to harry o's dog search results. unless i was reading it wrong. i trust his results more than anything else in this case. in my opinion its the only scientific evidence we have so far

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

i'm sorry, i meant the logging road, but i think a poster said she went out there and it was woodsy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
Thanks so much for your reply, Madre ! Glad to have a health care person chime in...and sorry if my story came across wrong to anyone... just that I have seen/experienced instances of lower class people getting the "shaft" in life...so I try to advocate on their behalf when I can.. not that my story was advoating, or saying that anyone here is indigent...I was just telling my story.. and. ugh I need to shut up and stop rambling..will now crawl back into my corner. Thanks again Madre !

Don't crawl back in the corner MonkeyinSC!!  You certainly add to the forum here.  I applaud you advocating for the indigent and I like to think I have and do as well.  I can tell you this, where I have worked, if I ever saw a situation like you were describing, there would have been consequences.  But because of the process, it never happened that I saw or heard of.  Anyway, don't crawl back!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 10:55:25 AM
Janet- i was referring to harry o's dog search results. unless i was reading it wrong. i trust his results more than anything else in this case. in my opinion its the only scientific evidence we have so far

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

i'm sorry, i meant the logging road, but i think a poster said she went out there and it was woodsy

Sunshine you're right.  Jademoff started a thread called Beck Road and she has some good descriptions and research there.  Here it is  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6118.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:58:26 AM
Thanks so much for your reply, Madre ! Glad to have a health care person chime in...and sorry if my story came across wrong to anyone... just that I have seen/experienced instances of lower class people getting the "shaft" in life...so I try to advocate on their behalf when I can.. not that my story was advoating, or saying that anyone here is indigent...I was just telling my story.. and. ugh I need to shut up and stop rambling..will now crawl back into my corner. Thanks again Madre !
I understand, I've seen that myself  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
Thanks so much for your reply, Madre ! Glad to have a health care person chime in...and sorry if my story came across wrong to anyone... just that I have seen/experienced instances of lower class people getting the "shaft" in life...so I try to advocate on their behalf when I can.. not that my story was advoating, or saying that anyone here is indigent...I was just telling my story.. and. ugh I need to shut up and stop rambling..will now crawl back into my corner. Thanks again Madre !
I understand, I've seen that myself  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks so much for your reply, Madre ! Glad to have a health care person chime in...and sorry if my story came across wrong to anyone... just that I have seen/experienced instances of lower class people getting the "shaft" in life...so I try to advocate on their behalf when I can.. not that my story was advoating, or saying that anyone here is indigent...I was just telling my story.. and. ugh I need to shut up and stop rambling..will now crawl back into my corner. Thanks again Madre !

Don't crawl back in the corner MonkeyinSC!!  You certainly add to the forum here.  I applaud you advocating for the indigent and I like to think I have and do as well.  I can tell you this, where I have worked, if I ever saw a situation like you were describing, there would have been consequences.  But because of the process, it never happened that I saw or heard of.  Anyway, don't crawl back!

Thanks Madre..and NRCG !  :2waver:   LET'S FIND LINDSEY !!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 11:10:02 AM
Hoping and praying MonkeyinSC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
Sunshine.

If the witness sightings are credible ... Lindsey was at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM.  It was dusk ... almost dark ... at that time.

Considering the "death scent" and Harry Oakes indecision regarding the vehicles ... I am assuming Oakes is tracking on foot with a cadaver dog/s.

My understanding of Oakes email to me is that there was a "death scent" detected indicating that a deceased person may have been transported by some type of open vehicle.

I contend if the "death scent" was connected to Lindsey ... Lindsey was already deceased when she was on Beck.

Think about it.  Beck can be easily accessed from the Baum residence via First.

Janet

++++++++


Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 11:44:09 AM
Janet-

i think it could go either way. i think if we had more information we might be able to answer this better but it is entirely possible that she was on foot and alive when she was traced on beck street. ho doesnt talk about a death scent while on beck street.

"we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south."


so i think it is possible she was alive and walking down beck street at her own will.  i'm not saying i think thats what definitely happened, but its possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 11:49:35 AM

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21181508/detail.html
<snippet>

Homeowner Posts List Of Items Seized In McCleary Search
Posted: 7:42 am PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 8:34 am PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A McCleary homeowner angry over a search for evidence in a missing girl case has posted a list of items police took from the home.

Police acknowledged that the search that began Friday found no evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend's house.

UNCUT: Police Team Searches McCleary Property

The homeowner posted the documents on a forum, detailing what police removed from the house and explaining where each item came from.

The documents show police took clothes, film, computer equipment, condoms and a "bag with green vegetation" that the homeowner described as "weed."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 12:05:40 PM


Homeowner Posts List Of Items Seized In McCleary Search
Posted: 7:42 am PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 8:34 am PDT October 2, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A McCleary homeowner angry over a search  for evidence in a missing girl case has posted a list of items police took from the home.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21181508/detail.html


++++++++


DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA


 ::MonkeyConfused::

The implication appears to be that Kona and family realized that they were one of the areas of focus in the investigation and ... were not opposed to an search of their home and property.

I cannot comprehend the threatened lawsuit.

What am I missing?

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 12:26:43 PM
That cut on Kara's boy's leg/arm  ::MonkeyConfused:: almost looks like he got cut on barbwire fencing. That happened to me once, but not a cut to that degree, and I just wondered.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 12:51:21 PM
Sunshine.

If the witness sightings are credible ... Lindsey was at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM.  It was dusk ... almost dark ... at that time.

Considering the "death scent" and Harry Oakes indecision regarding the vehicles ... I am assuming Oakes is tracking on foot with a cadaver dog/s.

My understanding of Oakes email to me is that there was a "death scent" detected indicating that a deceased person may have been transported by some type of open vehicle.

I contend if the "death scent" was connected to Lindsey ... Lindsey was already deceased when she was on Beck.

Think about it.  Beck can be easily accessed from the Baum residence via First.

Janet

++++++++


Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry





Hi,  I just wanted to say if the death scent was sniffed up NE of Beck Rd that means the body would have had to be dead for approx 2 hours.  It takes about that long for the death scent to be established by decomposition and be alerted to by a dog.  I think that is a well documented fact even tho there are variables that can throw that off a bit ~ size, temp, other environmental factors, etc.

If so, that would mean IMO she would have been somewhere else for 2 hours before being taken up there.  And anyone who caused her death could have disposed of her up there IMO if they had the means to transport her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 12:55:04 PM
When I consider the involvement of Ron and Don of the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) in the search for Lindsey Baum this weekend ... I made the decision to share my email response from Harry Oakes regarding Beck Street.

I also included the link to Harry Oaks website with his contact numbers.

Considering Melissa Baum and LE are disregarding the findings of Harry Oakes report regarding Beck Street ...

Janet




 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
When I consider the involvement of Ron and Don of the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) in the search for Lindsey Baum this weekend ... I made the decision to share my email response from Harry Oakes regarding Beck Street.

I also included the link to Harry Oaks website with his contact numbers.

Considering Melissa Baum and LE are disregarding the findings of Harry Oakes report regarding Beck Street ...

Janet




 

Janet, is this an additional email, or the original response from HO to your email??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
When I consider the involvement of Ron and Don of the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) in the search for Lindsey Baum this weekend ... I made the decision to share my email response from Harry Oakes regarding Beck Street.

I also included the link to Harry Oaks website with his contact numbers.

Considering Melissa Baum and LE are disregarding the findings of Harry Oakes report regarding Beck Street ...

Janet




 

Janet, is this an additional email, or the original response from HO to your email??

AZSunny

I only received one email from Harry Oakes.  It was reposted this morning.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 01:21:51 PM

Hi,  I just wanted to say if the death scent was sniffed up NE of Beck Rd that means the body would have had to be dead for approx 2 hours.  It takes about that long for the death scent to be established by decomposition and be alerted to by a dog.  I think that is a well documented fact even tho there are variables that can throw that off a bit ~ size, temp, other environmental factors, etc.

If so, that would mean IMO she would have been somewhere else for 2 hours before being taken up there.  And anyone who caused her death could have disposed of her up there IMO if they had the means to transport her.

Scandi

My take of the following is that Harry Oakes first search did not take place until June 28, 2009.  Apparently there was a later search but ... Oakes website does not indicate that a report was submitted to authorities.  Maybe the website needs to be updated.

Janet

++++++

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:28:36 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:32:40 PM
trying to find out if this is about lindsey, should be coming out on news any time.  As soon as Kiro gets there. 
I have no idea what this is about really... lets hope this is about the lindsey case and they finally get this case solved.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 02, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:34:36 PM
I'll be updating here
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/new-search-elma-mccleary-road-near-church-t1393.html?p=8019#p8019


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::

me too, hope it is not just a drug raid... hopefully the news will get there, they were on their way when I heard


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 01:42:02 PM
i hope this is connected somehow.

i'm saying prayers

thank you dd  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 01:44:28 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 01:46:22 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?

keys in hand waiting for a YES


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
wow suppose to be about a burglary in mason..
all those cars for a burglary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:49:18 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



can you find out what is going on madi

if this is a burglary arrest?  12 cars?  weird

Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?

keys in hand waiting for a YES


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:50:27 PM
my post got inside your quote madi


can you find out what is going on madi

if this is a burglary arrest?  12 cars?  weird


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 01:51:50 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



can you find out what is going on madi

if this is a burglary arrest?  12 cars?  weird

Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?

keys in hand waiting for a YES

****************thats feesers property we talked about them in past his relitives******************************


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
which ones


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 01:53:33 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



can you find out what is going on madi

if this is a burglary arrest?  12 cars?  weird

Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?

keys in hand waiting for a YES

****************thats feesers property we talked about them in past his relitives******************************
12 FOOT FENCE  chain link fence around property large shop they used to FIX CARS IN


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:54:21 PM
is it on elma hicklin?

I heard elma mcleary
is it the same


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
Latest Headlines >>>>

http://www.kirotv.com/news/index.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 01:55:19 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



can you find out what is going on madi

if this is a burglary arrest?  12 cars?  weird

Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?

keys in hand waiting for a YES

****************thats feesers property we talked about them in past his relitives******************************
12 FOOT FENCE  chain link fence around property large shop they used to FIX CARS IN
IM GOING NOT WAITING FOR YES LOL IM TOO MUCH OF A TROUBLE MAKER...... spank me later il take my punnishment :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
Kiro 7 on the way to a house just outside mccleary.

they are searching a house
elma- mccleary road near the intersection of church

please let this be the right one



can you find out what is going on madi

if this is a burglary arrest?  12 cars?  weird

Thank you dd.  Hoping this is it  ::MonkeyAngel::
want me to go there take some photos?

keys in hand waiting for a YES

****************thats feesers property we talked about them in past his relitives******************************
12 FOOT FENCE  chain link fence around property large shop they used to FIX CARS IN

what road is that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
IM GOING NOT WAITING FOR YES LOL IM TOO MUCH OF A TROUBLE MAKER...... spank me later il take my punnishment :)

Be careful Madi!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 01:56:48 PM
take your phone and email me

I will keep checking


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 01:57:30 PM
That cut on Kara's boy's leg/arm  ::MonkeyConfused:: almost looks like he got cut on barbwire fencing. That happened to me once, but not a cut to that degree, and I just wondered.

Sure would make better sense, IMO, just from what we've seen of that wound.  Especially considering that some folks think the wound may be on the back of the leg.  I can see that happening when/if someone were to, say, try leaping or climbing across a barbwire fence in a fast hurry, and doesn't quite clear it.   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 02:06:46 PM

Hi,  I just wanted to say if the death scent was sniffed up NE of Beck Rd that means the body would have had to be dead for approx 2 hours.  It takes about that long for the death scent to be established by decomposition and be alerted to by a dog.  I think that is a well documented fact even tho there are variables that can throw that off a bit ~ size, temp, other environmental factors, etc.

If so, that would mean IMO she would have been somewhere else for 2 hours before being taken up there.  And anyone who caused her death could have disposed of her up there IMO if they had the means to transport her.

Could have happened this way, true. 

Am thinking that another possibility is that the body lay for at least 2 hours while someone figured out what to do, then transported. 

If I'm getting the info from Mr. Oates right, seems they tracked a live Lindsey up to a point, then 'a death scent' (from someone, not necessarily Lindsey), was detected. 

I don't think that I've read anywhere that his dog/s tracked a live Lindsey back.  Which leads me to believe one thing about that 'death scent'.  Sigh. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
sorry... i should have said Mr. Oakes in my post, rather than Mr. Oates. 

*getting more coffee, brb*



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 02:09:12 PM
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 02:11:10 PM
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135



pink angel submitted this post to the forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 02:12:30 PM
Latest Headlines >>>>

http://www.kirotv.com/news/index.html


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 02, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
Latest Headlines >>>>

http://www.kirotv.com/news/index.html


BUMPED

Thanks for posting the link again Janet.  I tried the first time and I couldn't see it.  Maybe the site was too busy.  I can see it now though. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
I hope we'll continue to get updates here at SM.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 02:21:28 PM
this is the feeser grandparents old house.  they don't live there anymore. 

finding out who does


just thought good to clear that up...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
Thanks, walked away for an hour, and came back to this, if this is just a burglary why so many cars? Don't make sense  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
Thanks, walked away for an hour, and came back to this, if this is just a burglary why so many cars? Don't make sense  ::MonkeyConfused::

this reminds of the cummings case when they searched the pond 2 weeks ago and said it was for stolen cars and stuff before they actually admitted they were looking for haleigh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 02, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
Thanks, walked away for an hour, and came back to this, if this is just a burglary why so many cars? Don't make sense  ::MonkeyConfused::

this reminds of the cummings case when they searched the pond 2 weeks ago and said it was for stolen cars and stuff before they actually admitted they were looking for haleigh

what you both said, is what i am thinking too.   ::MonkeyConfused::

but holding out hope that whatever it is, it will inch us closer to finding Lindsey!! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
Thanks, walked away for an hour, and came back to this, if this is just a burglary why so many cars? Don't make sense  ::MonkeyConfused::

this reminds of the cummings case when they searched the pond 2 weeks ago and said it was for stolen cars and stuff before they actually admitted they were looking for haleigh
I know, that was really crazy, like anyone would believe a pond was drained for stolen items  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 02:43:53 PM
I can't find anything on KIRO.  Did they say they were responding to a burglary in progress- thus 12 cars, or they were doing a search on a previous burglary suspect?? ::bee::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 02:50:13 PM
where are the cop cars?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
DD - As you reported early on, Michael Feeser has some relatives living on Church St.  I know Dwight does not live there anymore, but maybe a father?  I also believe Michael's grandparents lived at the Y and had some kind of car repair business there.  Maybe just a coincidence??  Who knows?  Waiting for some TV news.  If all of this is true, than we may be getting closer to some answer.  shortcake       


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 02:56:38 PM
it is the grandparents old house with the car repair shop   do you know how lives there now..

is madi at the right place?  where are the cops? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
kiro was told it is a burglary warrant out of mason county
but someone drove by there early and there were 12 cop cars, 1 sheriff and the rest unmarked

but madi photo not showing them... but they are searching that house... but she said they stopped and looks like waiting for something, but they are still searching... but where did the cop cars go?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
I searched the address you posted earlier on googlemaps, and it doesn't look like this place at all!  Maybe I had the wrong address.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 02:59:42 PM
maybe what they thought was there wasn't so the others drove off? 

I don't know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 02:59:59 PM
where are the cop cars?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee1.jpg)
I believe that is the old Feeser repair shop.  Looks like some cars parked on the road.  Another road goes behind the building(may have more parked cars)?  Sure got my attention.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
I searched the address you posted earlier on googlemaps, and it doesn't look like this place at all!  Maybe I had the wrong address.

Hi AZ,  Do they have a scanner in GHC?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
putting someone in cop car


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:03:35 PM
I searched the address you posted earlier on googlemaps, and it doesn't look like this place at all!  Maybe I had the wrong address.

Hi AZ,  Do they have a scanner in GHC?

um,  what is GHC?  I am not aware of any scanners.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:03:43 PM
we are now in contact with people nextdoor, will find out


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 03:04:44 PM
Past posts regarding the Freeser residence/property ...

++++

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1748 on: July 28, 2009, 03:56:19 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg892091;topicseen#msg892091


doubledecker
Re: The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
« Reply #160 on: July 16, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.msg879930;topicseen#msg879930





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
I searched the address you posted earlier on googlemaps, and it doesn't look like this place at all!  Maybe I had the wrong address.

Hi AZ,  Do they have a scanner in GHC?

I've been googling for the same thing (GHC scanner) ... no luck so far...but I'm also not real good at this lol...  will post if I find something


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:05:58 PM
we are now in contact with people nextdoor, will find out

WE WHO WILL NOT BE DENIED INFO!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
Past posts regarding the Freeser residence/property ...

++++

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1748 on: July 28, 2009, 03:56:19 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg892091;topicseen#msg892091


doubledecker
Re: The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
« Reply #160 on: July 16, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.msg879930;topicseen#msg879930





the one highlighted in red is the one I searched.  It certainly looks different from the air if it is the same place.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:10:08 PM
Past posts regarding the Freeser residence/property ...

++++

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1748 on: July 28, 2009, 03:56:19 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg892091;topicseen#msg892091


doubledecker
Re: The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
« Reply #160 on: July 16, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.msg879930;topicseen#msg879930





the one highlighted in red is the one I searched.  It certainly looks different from the air if it is the same place.

that is not the right one... we are down in the 800 block of elma mcleary road. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:11:50 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 02, 2009, 03:12:44 PM
I searched the address you posted earlier on googlemaps, and it doesn't look like this place at all!  Maybe I had the wrong address.

Hi AZ,  Do they have a scanner in GHC?

um,  what is GHC?  I am not aware of any scanners.
Oh, Sorry AZ.  It is Grays Harbor County.  The property isn't in a city limits so the County Sheriff has jurisdiction.  And I was talking about a pplice scanner where they talk to each other and the dispatcher.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:17:20 PM
try marge feeser
elma mccleary road

they don't live there now, but might come up under that

it is showing 827 as house number but not coming up

I don't have time right now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
nothing on scanner yet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:19:16 PM
Here are the frequency listings...no direct scanner to listen to that I see for GHC

Grays Harbor County Police/Sheriff

  West 1 – West Dispatch  [PL 192.8]  Aberdeen  154.7250  158.8500

  West: Aberdeen, Hoquiam, Cosmopolis

  East 1 – East Dispatch  [PL 203.5]  Elma  155.5650  154.8900

  East: Chehalis, Elma, McCleary, Montesano, Ocean Shores, Oakville, Westport



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:21:32 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee4.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:23:48 PM
827 Elma McCleary Rd.

 maphttp://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9FD#JnE9eXAuODI3K2VsbWErbWNjbGVhcnkrcm9hZCttY2NsZWFyeSt3YSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj00Ny4wNTk0MjI2NTc5Mzk0JTdlLTEyMy4yODMwMzgxMzkzNDMlN2U0Ny4wNTI5MDI3MTQ0NjM2JTdlLTEyMy4zMDA4MjY1NDk1Mw==

Well not sure the link above is going to work, if not

go to Bing maps  and type  in 827 .....  I see Church Rd., McCleary,etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
we got neighbors on phone, and someone in chat on online scanner, and someone in chat on local scanner, nothing on scanner yet, and neighbors are giving news as see it

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee6.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:27:30 PM
827 Elma McCleary Rd.

 maphttp://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9FD#JnE9eXAuODI3K2VsbWErbWNjbGVhcnkrcm9hZCttY2NsZWFyeSt3YSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj00Ny4wNTk0MjI2NTc5Mzk0JTdlLTEyMy4yODMwMzgxMzkzNDMlN2U0Ny4wNTI5MDI3MTQ0NjM2JTdlLTEyMy4zMDA4MjY1NDk1Mw==

Well not sure the link above is going to work, if not

go to Bing maps  and type  in 827 .....  I see Church Rd., McCleary,etc.

it is right near the church intersection...this use to be the feeser grandparents old place... can't get the right house number, madi saw it as 827, but it is not coming up right


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
try marge feeser
elma mccleary road

they don't live there now, but might come up under that

it is showing 827 as house number but not coming up

I don't have time right now

742 elma Mccleary road is the listening for mccleary auto repair and it is now listed as Malone  auto repair. This appears to be the building next door to house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchfee4.jpg)

Is that a pool I see?   What is the white thingy on the bldg.?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:28:48 PM
I am told the truck showing on the pic is on different property


gee I hope I am not doing this for some dang mason burglary ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=47.055476~-123.280656&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:33:18 PM
http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=MFEHPG&PUBL=Google&CREA=userid1743go6eb90cf500b34ad2d1a387f6768f5487

If you want, go to search box in top middle of page and type:    827 Elma McCleary Road McCleary WA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:34:07 PM
Church street is an extension of Simpson.  This is very close to all the action we have been looking at.  It appears to be at the corner of Simpson and Elma Mccleary road. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
hope this is ok to post...on a map, looks like  church rd. runs behind elma mccleary.   but no address for "827" comes up...?

DWIGHT FEESER     Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
835 ELMA MCCLEARY RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: 04/2001       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557     Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on DWIGHT FEESER     

 
HENRY A FEESER Born  Sep 1947   Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
23 CHURCH RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: Unknown       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557   (360) xxxxxx  Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on HENRY A FEESER     

 
HENRY A FEESER Born  1947   Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
835 ELMA MCCLEARY RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: 11/2003       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557     Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on HENRY A FEESER     

 
MARJORIE FEESER     Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
23 CHURCH RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: Unknown       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557   (360)xxxxxxc Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on MARJORIE FEESER     

 
MARK FEESER     Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
29 CHURCH RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: Unknown       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557   (360) xxxxx  Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on MARK FEESER     

 
PAUL M FEESER     Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
23 CHURCH RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: 03/2004       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557   (360)xxxxxx  Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on PAUL M FEESER     

 
PAUL M FEESER     Get the Dirt   Check for Email Address Google
835 ELMA MCCLEARY RD   Neighborhood & Property Report  Record Created: 10/2003       
MCCLEARY, WA  98557     Confirm Current Phone & Address   
Background Check on PAUL M FEESER     
 

Edit:  No phone numbers, please.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 03:36:20 PM
827 Elma McCleary Rd.

 maphttp://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9FD#JnE9eXAuODI3K2VsbWErbWNjbGVhcnkrcm9hZCttY2NsZWFyeSt3YSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj00Ny4wNTk0MjI2NTc5Mzk0JTdlLTEyMy4yODMwMzgxMzkzNDMlN2U0Ny4wNTI5MDI3MTQ0NjM2JTdlLTEyMy4zMDA4MjY1NDk1Mw==

Well not sure the link above is going to work, if not

go to Bing maps  and type  in 827 .....  I see Church Rd., McCleary,etc.

it is right near the church intersection...this use to be the feeser grandparents old place... can't get the right house number, madi saw it as 827, but it is not coming up right

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180515120100&ABSeq=
here u go


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:37:57 PM
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=47.055476~-123.280656&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

Can you open this map?  it is at the Y of Elma Mccleary and Church......look at the short distance from Maple!   My heart is thumping loudly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 03:38:51 PM
Looks to me like blue swimming pools are growing all over in McCleary yards??  ::MonkeyHaHa::shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 03:38:59 PM
thank you madibabe


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 03:39:07 PM
827 Elma McCleary Rd.

 maphttp://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9FD#JnE9eXAuODI3K2VsbWErbWNjbGVhcnkrcm9hZCttY2NsZWFyeSt3YSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj00Ny4wNTk0MjI2NTc5Mzk0JTdlLTEyMy4yODMwMzgxMzkzNDMlN2U0Ny4wNTI5MDI3MTQ0NjM2JTdlLTEyMy4zMDA4MjY1NDk1Mw==

Well not sure the link above is going to work, if not

go to Bing maps  and type  in 827 .....  I see Church Rd., McCleary,etc.

it is right near the church intersection...this use to be the feeser grandparents old place... can't get the right house number, madi saw it as 827, but it is not coming up right

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180515120100&ABSeq=
here u go

How do i post a photo on the board


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:39:41 PM
Church street is an extension of Simpson.  This is very close to all the action we have been looking at.  It appears to be at the corner of Simpson and Elma Mccleary road. 

AZSunny  I'm on bing map and 827 address.  Click Aerial and zoom in and I see fork in road betw. Elma McCleary Rd. and Church Rd.  Am I right that it is the two bldgs. that look attached right in that fork triangle?  TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Thank you Madibabe.  Sorry, but I don't know how to post a photo either


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
Church street is an extension of Simpson.  This is very close to all the action we have been looking at.  It appears to be at the corner of Simpson and Elma Mccleary road. 

AZSunny  I'm on bing map and 827 address.  Click Aerial and zoom in and I see fork in road betw. Elma McCleary Rd. and Church Rd.  Am I right that it is the two bldgs. that look attached right in that fork triangle?  TIA

That is where it shows it to be, but the buildings appear to be at an angle from the road, so that doesn't appear the same.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
kiro was told it is a burglary warrant out of mason county
but someone drove by there early and there were 12 cop cars, 1 sheriff and the rest unmarked
but madi photo not showing them... but they are searching that house... but she said they stopped and looks like waiting for something, but they are still searching... but where did the cop cars go?

I wonder if "12 cop cars, 1 sherif and unmarked police vehicles" showed up at the Baum residence the evening it was reported that a little 10 year old girl was missing.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:44:38 PM
827 Elma McCleary Rd.

 maphttp://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9FD#JnE9eXAuODI3K2VsbWErbWNjbGVhcnkrcm9hZCttY2NsZWFyeSt3YSU3ZXNzdC4wJTdlcGcuMSZiYj00Ny4wNTk0MjI2NTc5Mzk0JTdlLTEyMy4yODMwMzgxMzkzNDMlN2U0Ny4wNTI5MDI3MTQ0NjM2JTdlLTEyMy4zMDA4MjY1NDk1Mw==

Well not sure the link above is going to work, if not

go to Bing maps  and type  in 827 .....  I see Church Rd., McCleary,etc.

it is right near the church intersection...this use to be the feeser grandparents old place... can't get the right house number, madi saw it as 827, but it is not coming up right

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180515120100&ABSeq=
here u go

How do i post a photo on the board



I have all the pics up madi but 2 more I am doing now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
Thank you Madibabe.  Sorry, but I don't know how to post a photo either

You have to save your image to photobucket.  and then click the image sign on the bottom row.  (2nd from right) and place the http address between the image things (http://XXX)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:45:33 PM
shop is at 851 elma mccleary


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:48:27 PM
Church street is an extension of Simpson.  This is very close to all the action we have been looking at.  It appears to be at the corner of Simpson and Elma Mccleary road. 

AZSunny  I'm on bing map and 827 address.  Click Aerial and zoom in and I see fork in road betw. Elma McCleary Rd. and Church Rd.  Am I right that it is the two bldgs. that look attached right in that fork triangle?  TIA

That is where it shows it to be, but the buildings appear to be at an angle from the road, so that doesn't appear the same.

Thank you AZSunny!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 02, 2009, 03:50:21 PM
Quick note:  Do not post telephone numbers or social security numbers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:50:46 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/searchee8.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 03:53:06 PM
Thank you for the edit MuffyBee.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 02, 2009, 03:54:18 PM
Thank you for the edit MuffyBee.

YW.  And thank you for everyone bringing info, links, pics and news.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:54:23 PM
you knew i would forget didn't you hahaha on the numbers and SS  hehe

thanks for the reminder. 

ok I found the right address, let me get the info for it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 03:55:21 PM
the old feeser property is 847

they don't live there now,,, trying to find out who does


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 03:58:15 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 

me too, my first one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 04:04:18 PM
there are too many names connected to this address to know who is who, so we are trying to find out who was arrested... before we go posting all the names connected to that property... because some might not even live there anymore


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:04:57 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 04:05:03 PM
the old feeser property is 847

they don't live there now,,, trying to find out who does

Is this the same house in the pictures??  the whole setting is different per bing maps.  Did the neighbors confirm there was a swarm of police there?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 04:06:01 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol

Good Job Sgt. Madibabe!! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 04:09:00 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol

He was probably wondering, WTF is that woman doing taking pictures of this??   LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:11:19 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol
here is a photo     

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/housebmp.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
Madibabe,

Where their unmarked/cop cars parked behind the shop?  What did you think was going on as best you saw?  Any news trucks?
LOL, sorry for all the ?'s!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 02, 2009, 04:11:46 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol

Good Job Sgt. Madibabe!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

LOL AZSunny !

Yes... good job, Madi !! You have got some guts !!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 02, 2009, 04:12:53 PM

Is this the same house in the pictures??  the whole setting is different per bing maps.  Did the neighbors confirm there was a swarm of police there?? ::MonkeyConfused::

Been a while since I have been here.  Thought i'd come and see what was going on with little Haleigh's case and got drawn into this thread.  How are all you crazy monkeys?

Not sure about bing (not sure how to navigate that map), but this is what I believe to be the house from google maps.  It's obviously older...no pool in the yard.

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9176/mcclearysearch.jpg)

Looks like the first pic was taken from Elma McCleary rd, and the second from behind on Church rd? or possibly the driveway off of Church.  The other building in the first pic is the one...the one that looks like two buildings attached.next door.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 02, 2009, 04:14:46 PM
I agree, good job Madibabe!  I'd be nervous pointing a camera at so many cops.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol

Good Job Sgt. Madibabe!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

LOL AZSunny !

Yes... good job, Madi !! You have got some guts !!  ::MonkeyCool::

lol u guys crack me up!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::
good evil sitting on each shoulder lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

Story Published: Oct 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM PDT

Story Updated: Oct 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM PDT
By Keith Eldridge MCCLEARY, Wash. --

A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't been there in weeks.

Others have given investigators differing accounts of where the man may have been when Lindsey went missing.

A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.

No evidence has been found to indicate that Lindsey is not alive.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Thank you Sieko!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 04:18:16 PM
Madibabe,

Where their unmarked/cop cars parked behind the shop?  What did you think was going on as best you saw?  Any news trucks?
LOL, sorry for all the ?'s!!
Wow, thanks for doing that Madibabe  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:19:41 PM
I agree, good job Madibabe!  I'd be nervous pointing a camera at so many cops.  ::MonkeyEek::
You know im not scared of them even a little. So if they want to come question me i welcome them. I have nothing to hide. They better bring Officer Rios with them thow cause i know I can trust him with my life. So there!! LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 02, 2009, 04:21:31 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

Story Published: Oct 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM PDT

Story Updated: Oct 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM PDT
By Keith Eldridge MCCLEARY, Wash. --

A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't been there in weeks.

Others have given investigators differing accounts of where the man may have been when Lindsey went missing.

A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.

No evidence has been found to indicate that Lindsey is not alive.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.


thanks Leroy!! somethings make you say..hmmmmm ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
I agree, good job Madibabe!  I'd be nervous pointing a camera at so many cops.  ::MonkeyEek::
Sieko good to see you  ::MonkeyCool:: I would have been afraid to do that  ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for the map.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:23:23 PM
Madibabe,

Where their unmarked/cop cars parked behind the shop?  What did you think was going on as best you saw?  Any news trucks?
LOL, sorry for all the ?'s!!
Wow, thanks for doing that Madibabe  ::MonkeyCool::
They looked a bit anoid i was driving taking photos, so i kept it at a min. out of respect for them and there job. There were no other cars but the ones in front at all. I believe one unmarked nice police car one police van green and one reg sheriff car. The other cars belonged to the people who lived there. They were not searching the shop at all at the time i was there. I really hope they do to ease peoples minds.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 02, 2009, 04:24:06 PM

thanks Leroy!! somethings make you say..hmmmmm ::MonkeyEek::
Indeed.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 04:25:18 PM
Thanks Leroy  ::MonkeyCool::  A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.  WTH  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
Thanks Leroy  ::MonkeyCool::  A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.  WTH  ::MonkeyEek::
who was it omg that is just terrible!!! be back 30 min gotta get my work done


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 04:28:29 PM
Thanks Leroy  ::MonkeyCool::  A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.  WTH  ::MonkeyEek::

Interest that the *friend* is a "she"....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 02, 2009, 04:34:09 PM
Sieko good to see you  ::MonkeyCool:: I would have been afraid to do that  ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for the map.
Good to see you too.  I kept myself busy this summer.  Needed a break from the computer.

Hope my writings with the map were understandable, lol.  I just noticed I inserted a sentence in the middle of another sentence.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
Thanks Leroy  ::MonkeyCool::  A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.  WTH  ::MonkeyEek::

Interest that the *friend* is a "she"....
I thought the same thing  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 04:40:03 PM
Sieko good to see you  ::MonkeyCool:: I would have been afraid to do that  ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for the map.
Good to see you too.  I kept myself busy this summer.  Needed a break from the computer.

Hope my writings with the map were understandable, lol.  I just noticed I inserted a sentence in the middle of another sentence.  ::MonkeyConfused::
Very good map  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 02, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
Madibabe,

Where their unmarked/cop cars parked behind the shop?  What did you think was going on as best you saw?  Any news trucks?
LOL, sorry for all the ?'s!!
Wow, thanks for doing that Madibabe  ::MonkeyCool::
They looked a bit anoid i was driving taking photos, so i kept it at a min. out of respect for them and there job. There were no other cars but the ones in front at all. I believe one unmarked nice police car one police van green and one reg sheriff car. The other cars belonged to the people who lived there. They were not searching the shop at all at the time i was there. I really hope they do to ease peoples minds.

Madibabe, thank you for answering my questions!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: for Madibabe!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 04:54:42 PM
Madibabe,

Where their unmarked/cop cars parked behind the shop?  What did you think was going on as best you saw?  Any news trucks?
LOL, sorry for all the ?'s!!
Wow, thanks for doing that Madibabe  ::MonkeyCool::
They looked a bit anoid i was driving taking photos, so i kept it at a min. out of respect for them and there job. There were no other cars but the ones in front at all. I believe one unmarked nice police car one police van green and one reg sheriff car. The other cars belonged to the people who lived there. They were not searching the shop at all at the time i was there. I really hope they do to ease peoples minds.

Madibabe, thank you for answering my questions!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: for Madibabe!
00847 ELMA MCCLEARY RD MCCL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: canadianmonkey on October 02, 2009, 04:55:01 PM
Sorry.  I'm a little confused.  What do we think happened at the house being searched.  DD says on her website someone was arrested.  Really?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 05:02:57 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

Story Published: Oct 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM PDT

Story Updated: Oct 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM PDT
By Keith Eldridge MCCLEARY, Wash. --

A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't been there in weeks.

Others have given investigators differing accounts of where the man may have been when Lindsey went missing.

A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.

No evidence has been found to indicate that Lindsey is not alive.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.


I believe there was enough suspicion for the LE to take a boo at the home and property where this young man resides.

If case related evidence was found ... we would all be commending LE for great detective work.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 05:04:56 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol
here is a photo     

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/housebmp.jpg)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks madibabe

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 05:07:24 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

Story Published: Oct 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM PDT

Story Updated: Oct 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM PDT
By Keith Eldridge MCCLEARY, Wash. --

A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't been there in weeks.

Others have given investigators differing accounts of where the man may have been when Lindsey went missing.

A friend of the man told investigators she spoke with the person of interest on the phone in the day's after Lindsey's disappearance and he told her he "could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," a sheriff's detective wrote in the affidavit.

No evidence has been found to indicate that Lindsey is not alive.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.



be careful of snipped conversations and half sentences when you are listening to the media...  

lets see the whole conversation.... before we jump to conclusions here. 

example...

you and I are discussing the case... so here is teh example what could have happened. 

you.... where is she, why can't they find her

me.... I don't know, maybe someone cut her up and dismembered her and so there is no body to be found

you.... I can't believe someone would take a girl and cut her up and dismember her.

me.   right.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 05:07:27 PM
Latest Headlines >>>>

http://www.kirotv.com/news/index.html


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 02, 2009, 05:08:06 PM
Sorry.  I'm a little confused.  What do we think happened at the house being searched.  DD says on her website someone was arrested.  Really?
Really?  I hope they found something. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 05:14:25 PM
also...

the detective said he believed they would find the evidence in the house searched... we already know they didn't... they certainly did not find anything to tell us a body was cut up and dismembered inside that house.  They did not even pull the drains.  if they really thought there might have been a body cut up and dismembered in that house, the first thing they would have done is pull the drains.  They did not touch any drains in that house whatsoever.

This tells me this cut up and dismembered is all BS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 02, 2009, 05:17:41 PM
also...

the detective said he believed they would find the evidence in the house searched... we already know they didn't... they certainly did not find anything to tell us a body was cut up and dismembered inside that house.  They did not even pull the drains.  if they really thought there might have been a body cut up and dismembered in that house, the first thing they would have done is pull the drains.  They did not touch any drains in that house whatsoever.

This tells me this cut up and dismembered is all BS

Hi DD,
Thank you for all that you do!  ::MonkeyCheer2:: I was wondering if he was telling the story to this girl and thought he would make it more dramatic by adding the other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 05:26:03 PM
When I consider the argument that Lindsey had with her brother minutes prior to her disappearance ... when I you consider the family dynamics which known to CPS and LE regarding the underlying dynamics encompassing the Baun family and ... when you consider how close Lindsey was to home according to the witness sighting ... I cannot comprehend ... in the process of elimination ... why there was not a search warrant immediately issued by LE and approved by a judge.

If police activity that reflected the recent search had taken place at the Baum residence/property ... the media would have covered it accordingly and ... we would have known about it.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 05:27:30 PM
also...

the detective said he believed they would find the evidence in the house searched... we already know they didn't... they certainly did not find anything to tell us a body was cut up and dismembered inside that house.  They did not even pull the drains.  if they really thought there might have been a body cut up and dismembered in that house, the first thing they would have done is pull the drains.  They did not touch any drains in that house whatsoever.

This tells me this cut up and dismembered is all BS

Hi DD,
Thank you for all that you do!  ::MonkeyCheer2:: I was wondering if he was telling the story to this girl and thought he would make it more dramatic by adding the other.

ok I know what happened at it will come out on the KOMO news any time.  It is NOTHING at all like that

the person he was talking to was his GF... and she says he did not say anything like that at all, and she never told the police anything like that at all, that it is lies and BS.  she has talked to the KOMO news.  it should be reported any time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 02, 2009, 05:30:21 PM
ANGEL 4 LINDSEY
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/angel-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 05:30:56 PM
Could it be that the focus of the investigation has never been on Melissa B. and Josh B. as persons of interest because there were red flags from the past that LE and CPS did not want exposed ... red flags that were disregarded ... red flags that should have been addressed ... red flags that could have been the catalyst of protection for a little girl named Lindsey.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
Sorry.  I'm a little confused.  What do we think happened at the house being searched.  DD says on her website someone was arrested.  Really?
I went to DD's site, I can't find where she says that  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 05:44:02 PM
Wow I don't check in first thing and look what I miss! Did we find out what this was about?

Why does the name feeser (or whatever) sound familiar?

I forget who thought I was upset with them but to you, you didn't upset me, sometimes it is hard to know the feelings behind words written, you didn't insult me.  ::MonkeyKiss::

Madibabe in the Sandra case I drove by a house we believed was own by a person close to the pasture, I saw someone in a car infront of the house looking a bit suspicious, I got worried because he saw me and I saw him, he looked familiar and I thought oh no, I am dead! Well it turns out it was a reporter, lol. He must have had the same thought I did, let me see what I can find out! Thanks for the pics!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 02, 2009, 05:44:57 PM
I agree, good job Madibabe!  I'd be nervous pointing a camera at so many cops.  ::MonkeyEek::
Sieko good to see you  ::MonkeyCool:: I would have been afraid to do that  ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for the map.

Yes Seiko,thanks. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 05:55:21 PM
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=47.055476~-123.280656&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
Thanks AZSunny
Wow....it's right down the road on Maple  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 06:06:05 PM
I feel like we are on a stake out. 
omg i know you should have seen the dirty stare down i got from sheriff. LOL sorry if u r reading this but u gota do what u gota do. I didnt break and laws. lol
here is a photo     

(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/housebmp.jpg)
Thank you Madibabe!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
also...

the detective said he believed they would find the evidence in the house searched... we already know they didn't... they certainly did not find anything to tell us a body was cut up and dismembered inside that house.  They did not even pull the drains.  if they really thought there might have been a body cut up and dismembered in that house, the first thing they would have done is pull the drains.  They did not touch any drains in that house whatsoever.

This tells me this cut up and dismembered is all BS

Hi DD,
Thank you for all that you do!  ::MonkeyCheer2:: I was wondering if he was telling the story to this girl and thought he would make it more dramatic by adding the other.

ok I know what happened at it will come out on the KOMO news any time.  It is NOTHING at all like that

the person he was talking to was his GF... and she says he did not say anything like that at all, and she never told the police anything like that at all, that it is lies and BS.  she has talked to the KOMO news.  it should be reported any time.

The implication would be that the McCleary LE is corrupt.  The McCleary LE fabricated to a judge a foundation of reasons that would justify a search warrant.  Why would they do this?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 06:08:39 PM

Is this the same house in the pictures??  the whole setting is different per bing maps.  Did the neighbors confirm there was a swarm of police there?? ::MonkeyConfused::

Been a while since I have been here.  Thought i'd come and see what was going on with little Haleigh's case and got drawn into this thread.  How are all you crazy monkeys?

Not sure about bing (not sure how to navigate that map), but this is what I believe to be the house from google maps.  It's obviously older...no pool in the yard.

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9176/mcclearysearch.jpg)

Looks like the first pic was taken from Elma McCleary rd, and the second from behind on Church rd? or possibly the driveway off of Church.  The other building in the first pic is the one...the one that looks like two buildings attached.next door.



Thanks Sieko!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
ANGEL 4 LINDSEY
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/angel-1.jpg)
Beautiful
 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 06:35:52 PM
I really hope they did not focus on Kona's son to the point of not looking for others.  this happens all the time, they get focused and do not look at other things. 

I really hope this is not the case, because if it is, we have a perp/perps out there who will get away with this. 

I really really really believe this kid did not do this

If those search warrants were based on lies and the judge who approved them has a personal conflict with him, boy do we have a real mess here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 06:44:32 PM
about the search this morining on elma mccleary road


I don't know... was told it might be a burglary warrant out of mason county.

now someone is saying it might be an assault charge, but I don't know.  I just followed it just in case, because if it turned out to be something and we did not get it right off, we would be too far behind to get any firsthand info.  so it most likely is not anything related, but just in case, I followed it.  I was told there were 12 cop cars out there when this started so I got on it... so right now, I am not positive what it was, but it is looking like might be an assault warrant.....but... I am not the one who did the research on that so I am not sure...

but it should come out soon what it was... I would just not worry about it for now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 06:45:28 PM
I really hope they did not focus on Kona's son to the point of not looking for others.  this happens all the time, they get focused and do not look at other things. 

I really hope this is not the case, because if it is, we have a perp/perps out there who will get away with this. 

I really really really believe this kid did not do this

If those search warrants were based on lies and the judge who approved them has a personal conflict with him, boy do we have a real mess here.
I sure hope not, did anything come of the arrest today? I assume it had nothing to do with Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 07:01:22 PM
I really hope they did not focus on Kona's son to the point of not looking for others.  this happens all the time, they get focused and do not look at other things. 

I really hope this is not the case, because if it is, we have a perp/perps out there who will get away with this. 

I really really really believe this kid did not do this

If those search warrants were based on lies and the judge who approved them has a personal conflict with him, boy do we have a real mess here.
I sure hope not, did anything come of the arrest today? I assume it had nothing to do with Lindsey?

I had posted it , right above this post of yours, you probably have not read that far yet  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 07:12:02 PM
 Thanks DD  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 07:45:10 PM
I guess today was a kind of a "nevermind".  I got caught up in it.  Does not anyone have the address of the big search conducted out Foreman Road this past weekend?   I would like to research this in more dept.  Anyone know the woman who owns this property?  I believe this is where Dale G. lives and he is the best POI we have come across yet.  IMO.  Any help?  shortcake ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 07:51:46 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html


seriously??  AS I RECALL???  well thats kinda messed up!  Geez, this is about a missing girl, not your high school prom!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 07:51:53 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf


Flowered bathing suit....a mismatched bikini style bathing suit.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 07:58:01 PM

Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html


I believe that a search warrant was justified but ... everything outliked in the above article was known to LE from the getgo.  What took LE three months to obtain a search warrant.  If this young many was involved in wrongdoing in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... he was afforded three months to destroy the evidences.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 07:58:48 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf



Thank you Karma.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:02:36 PM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 08:03:32 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html


Four different stories!!

Following Melissa Baum!!

Obsessed with the case!!


If Lindsey was my daughter ... I would expect LE to take a good look at this young man in the process of elimination.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 08:05:54 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html


Four different stories!!

Following Melissa Baum!!

Obsessed with the case!!


If Lindsey was my daughter ... I would expect LE to take a good look at this young man in the process of elimination.

Janet

What I dont understand is why it took them so long to consider him a person of interest..>?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf


Flowered bathing suit....a mismatched bikini style bathing suit.
OMG....says Lindsey was familar with the BeeHive because her friend's(name blocked out)Mom works there.

He worked at a youth camp near Olympia....I wonder if Lindsey or Josh ever attended that camp and I wonder if Lindsey knew him?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:09:06 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf



Thank you Karma.

Janet
Thank-you   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:09:57 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf


Flowered bathing suit....a mismatched bikini style bathing suit.
OMG....says Lindsey was familar with the BeeHive because her friend's(name blocked out)Mom works there.

He worked at a youth camp near Olympia....I wonder if Lindsey or Josh ever attended that camp and I wonder if Lindsey knew him?
I'm not sure what to think, but this really doesn't look good.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html


Four different stories!!

Following Melissa Baum!!

Obsessed with the case!!


If Lindsey was my daughter ... I would expect LE to take a good look at this young man in the process of elimination.

Janet

What I dont understand is why it took them so long to consider him a person of interest..>?
I agree!
And from reading the search warrants,LE had talked to people at the Beehive and didn't even call this man until July 29th!
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.

Could it be that a tip was recently received that formed the catalyst which brought together all the other the red flags that had accumulated against this young man and ... motivated LE to take action.

Karma ... it was not a framing.  Think about it.  LE concedes that no case related evidence was found.  A framing would imply planted evidence.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:16:50 PM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.

Could it be that a tip was recently received that formed the catalyst which brought together all the other the red flags that had accumulated against this young man and ... motivated LE to take action.

Karma ... it was not a framing.  Think about it.  LE concedes that no case related evidence was found.  A framing would imply planted evidence.

Janet

I need to read it all again, but in the warrant, were they talking about this guy, and a young girl, and he brought her to his bedroom, and put a dresser in front of the door, I think the girl was 12  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:17:22 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.

Could it be that a tip was recently received that formed the catalyst which brought together all the other the red flags that had accumulated against this young man and ... motivated LE to take action.

Karma ... it was not a framing.  Think about it.  LE concedes that no case related evidence was found.  A framing would imply planted evidence.

Janet

I need to read it all again, but in the warrant, were they talking about this guy, and a young girl, and he brought her to his bedroom, and put a dresser in front of the door, I think the girl was 12  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

As Natalee Holloway's mother would say ... "Greta, this is huge."

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 08:25:02 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The search warrant was justified!!  The question is ... "What took them so long?"

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:26:21 PM
Jules71 
Registered User   Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Washington State
Posts: 35 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by distracted 
Can someone tell me what the significance is of Alice Walters being Lindsey's only myspace friend? I missed the earlier conversation.

I am not sure I can because it relates to the POI and his name has not been released, so if this needs to be deleted, please tell me or delete it right away.

There is something on the POI friend's myspace that indicates his last name used to be Walters. 
   ::MonkeyEek::  thought I would bring this over from WS. Have no idea if it is true, but if it is  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 08:27:15 PM
Karma

Hubby and I are off for a bite to eat.  Would you please continue posting  the updates.

Thanks

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Later, Janet
5:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:45:58 PM
Jules71 
Registered User   Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Washington State
Posts: 35 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by distracted 
Can someone tell me what the significance is of Alice Walters being Lindsey's only myspace friend? I missed the earlier conversation.

I am not sure I can because it relates to the POI and his name has not been released, so if this needs to be deleted, please tell me or delete it right away.

There is something on the POI friend's myspace that indicates his last name used to be Walters. 
   ::MonkeyEek::  thought I would bring this over from WS. Have no idea if it is true, but if it is  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::
I have no idea what Jules at WS was talking about because they have the ability to edit thier own posts and they do that constantly lol
Anyway,I thought the name was Alice WATERS?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:48:13 PM
Jules71 
Registered User   Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Washington State
Posts: 35 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by distracted 
Can someone tell me what the significance is of Alice Walters being Lindsey's only myspace friend? I missed the earlier conversation.

I am not sure I can because it relates to the POI and his name has not been released, so if this needs to be deleted, please tell me or delete it right away.

There is something on the POI friend's myspace that indicates his last name used to be Walters. 
   ::MonkeyEek::  thought I would bring this over from WS. Have no idea if it is true, but if it is  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::
I have no idea what Jules at WS was talking about because they have the ability to edit thier own posts and they do that constantly lol
Anyway,I thought the name was Alice WATERS?
I don't remember, but I think come to think of it you are right  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:49:51 PM
Karma

Hubby and I are off for a bite to eat.  Would you please continue posting  the updates.

Thanks

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Later, Janet
5:30 PM PT
I won't be here much longer,waiting for my guy to get off the tv and xbox lol
You have a good time and eat slowly but hurry back :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 08:52:08 PM
Can some local please go out and take a few ground level pics of the place searched this past weekend on Foreman Road?  Might give us a better "feel".  Nothing about this place, but a lot about the Feeser place.  Is there an effort to to play down this Dale G. person as a POI.  Lots of loose ends with this person.  A little dirty digging of this family may be fruitful?  Then again maybe not?  After reading the evidence report posted last night, I can see why they wore those space suits.  Yuk, double yuk.  I am pretty sure that unoccupied building contains some big old country rats.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:53:59 PM
Jules71 
Registered User   Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Washington State
Posts: 35 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by distracted 
Can someone tell me what the significance is of Alice Walters being Lindsey's only myspace friend? I missed the earlier conversation.

I am not sure I can because it relates to the POI and his name has not been released, so if this needs to be deleted, please tell me or delete it right away.

There is something on the POI friend's myspace that indicates his last name used to be Walters. 
   ::MonkeyEek::  thought I would bring this over from WS. Have no idea if it is true, but if it is  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyShocked::
I have no idea what Jules at WS was talking about because they have the ability to edit thier own posts and they do that constantly lol
Anyway,I thought the name was Alice WATERS?
I don't remember, but I think come to think of it you are right  ::MonkeyConfused::
I was wrong NoRose,it is Alice Walters.
What Jules from WS is talking about is this POI might have a Dad and a step Dad and that he changed his last name to his bio Dad's last name which is.....Walters   ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.myspace.com/477760045



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
Oprah Show To Come to Lindsey Baum Search?!!!
 
Now you may have already heard but bear in mind that stuff happens. Tentatively, however, we are expecting to have members of Oprah Winfrey's crew down at the search center this Friday or Saturday, not Oprah herself but some of the crew. If this comes through this will be an amazing boost to getting Lindsey's picture and story out there to a broader audience.

Will this change the searches in any way? No. Searches will be conducted as usual and no one will be filmed or interviewed without their express permission should the crew show up at the search center.

Whether or not the Oprah crew makes it down lets show the world how dedicated we all are to bringing Lindsey Home.... Please show up and help us search this Friday Saturday and Sunday!!

When: October 2nd, 3rd and 4th
Where: 4th and Fir in McCleary, WA
Starting: 9am to 4:30pm
Search Center Contact and Search Information: Click Here

Posted by Write2Write at 5:00 PM | 0 comments 

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
I feel bad discussing this POI after all DD and Kona tried to do to help this case......I really feel bad but I have to say,this POI looks real bad here and it looks like LE had their sights on him from the beginning but I still want to know why it took them so long to investigate him?

I'm sorry to you also DD because I know you were/are only trying to help.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:58:15 PM
Thanks Leroy. Thanks Karma, now I'm really wondering  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 08:59:15 PM
I feel bad discussing this POI after all DD and Kona tried to do to help this case......I really feel bad but I have to say,this POI looks real bad here and it looks like LE had their sights on him from the beginning but I still want to know why it took them so long to investigate him?

I'm sorry to you also DD because I know you were/are only trying to help.
I feel the same way, but this doesn't look good at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
this is the link that is updated daily with the arrests from grays harbor county in case anyone is interested in bookmarking it:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/TodaysBookings.asp


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
I feel bad discussing this POI after all DD and Kona tried to do to help this case......I really feel bad but I have to say,this POI looks real bad here and it looks like LE had their sights on him from the beginning but I still want to know why it took them so long to investigate him?

I'm sorry to you also DD because I know you were/are only trying to help.
I feel the same way, but this doesn't look good at all.

My thoughts are that it took them so long to get a search warrant...which some would say gave him that much tim to "clean up"..however, in todays world you dont just clean up dna.

IF they found anything he would have been arrested...so either he did an amazing "clean up" job or he is just a kid that lives in a small town. 

who knows.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:05:15 PM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.

Could it be that a tip was recently received that formed the catalyst which brought together all the other the red flags that had accumulated against this young man and ... motivated LE to take action.

Karma ... it was not a framing.  Think about it.  LE concedes that no case related evidence was found.  A framing would imply planted evidence.

Janet

I need to read it all again, but in the warrant, were they talking about this guy, and a young girl, and he brought her to his bedroom, and put a dresser in front of the door, I think the girl was 12  ::MonkeyEek::
Apparently that happened when DG was 14 yo and DG's Mom is/was good friends with this girls Mom.DG was babysitting when he was showing these kids(2-3 kids he was babysitting)porno and took the 12 yo girl into a bedroom,barracated the door and demanded she strip.She cried for 2 hours then he let her out.The girl's Mom didn't want her to file charges so they didn't.
But when LE recently talked to the girl's Mom(girl is now 21 yo)the Mom denied knowing anything about it.BUT LE showed her the paperwork or something so she admitted something happened(I think).LE got a hold of the now 21 yo and she says it did happen.
I forgot what else but it's all in the warrant.

I kinda feel like we didn't get the whole story about this from others but I can't blame them for trying to protect Kona.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 09:05:15 PM
this is the link that is updated daily with the arrests from grays harbor county in case anyone is interested in bookmarking it:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/TodaysBookings.asp

thanks a bunch!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:08:56 PM
this is the link that is updated daily with the arrests from grays harbor county in case anyone is interested in bookmarking it:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/TodaysBookings.asp
Thanks Sunshine!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 09:10:48 PM
So, why not start investigating him and see where it leads us?  Lets start with his name and address.  Only one saying he didn't do it is his family.  Evidence still being processed.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 02, 2009, 09:11:20 PM
this is the link that is updated daily with the arrests from grays harbor county in case anyone is interested in bookmarking it:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/TodaysBookings.asp

Thanks for the link.  I copied it and made a thread and made it a sticky :

Grays Harbor County Jail Register Link   http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6218.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 09:11:26 PM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.

Could it be that a tip was recently received that formed the catalyst which brought together all the other the red flags that had accumulated against this young man and ... motivated LE to take action.

Karma ... it was not a framing.  Think about it.  LE concedes that no case related evidence was found.  A framing would imply planted evidence.

Janet

I need to read it all again, but in the warrant, were they talking about this guy, and a young girl, and he brought her to his bedroom, and put a dresser in front of the door, I think the girl was 12  ::MonkeyEek::
Apparently that happened when DG was 14 yo and DG's Mom is/was good friends with this girls Mom.DG was babysitting when he was showing these kids(2-3 kids he was babysitting)porno and took the 12 yo girl into a bedroom,barracated the door and demanded she strip.She cried for 2 hours then he let her out.The girl's Mom didn't want her to file charges so they didn't.
But when LE recently talked to the girl's Mom(girl is now 21 yo)the Mom denied knowing anything about it.BUT LE showed her the paperwork or something so she admitted something happened(I think).LE got a hold of the now 21 yo and she says it did happen.
I forgot what else but it's all in the warrant.

I kinda feel like we didn't get the whole story about this from others but I can't blame them for trying to protect Kona.
Thank-you  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 09:12:11 PM
this is the link that is updated daily with the arrests from grays harbor county in case anyone is interested in bookmarking it:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/TodaysBookings.asp

Thanks for the link.  I copied it and made a thread and made it a sticky :

Grays Harbor County Jail Register Link   http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6218.0
Thanks to both of you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:15:43 PM
So, why not start investigating him and see where it leads us?  Lets start with his name and address.  Only one saying he didn't do it is his family.  Evidence still being processed.  shortcake
But they didn't find anything in his car right?
I mean IF they had found hairs or DNA they wouldn't have given the car back.....I don't think.

DO they give the car back while they are waiting on tests results?I don't think they do but I could be wrong.
Could also be he used a different car.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:16:41 PM
this is the link that is updated daily with the arrests from grays harbor county in case anyone is interested in bookmarking it:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/TodaysBookings.asp

Thanks for the link.  I copied it and made a thread and made it a sticky :

Grays Harbor County Jail Register Link   http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6218.0
Thank you little Miss MuffyBee
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
So, why not start investigating him and see where it leads us?  Lets start with his name and address.  Only one saying he didn't do it is his family.  Evidence still being processed.  shortcake
But they didn't find anything in his car right?
I mean IF they had found hairs or DNA they wouldn't have given the car back.....I don't think.

DO they give the car back while they are waiting on tests results?I don't think they do but I could be wrong.
Could also be he used a different car.....

IIRC, they did not release Casey Anthonys car back to anyone since it contained evidence.

and if he used a different car, how did they pin HIS car on him???

what a mess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 09:19:22 PM
dale golders name has always been dale golder.  it has never been walters.  I just got back online and going through the search warrant application. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:19:51 PM
From LizzySF at WS


>snipped> *dxxx wxxers (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace* <snipped>

So I get the feeling he has a real dad and a step-dad.. Real Dad w/ last name Walters. You can find WA court records for an older Dale Allen Walters. Also did an Intellus search and came up w/ him too...lists a possible relative "D. Walters"
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=9


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
So, why not start investigating him and see where it leads us?  Lets start with his name and address.  Only one saying he didn't do it is his family.  Evidence still being processed.  shortcake
But they didn't find anything in his car right?
I mean IF they had found hairs or DNA they wouldn't have given the car back.....I don't think.

DO they give the car back while they are waiting on tests results?I don't think they do but I could be wrong.
Could also be he used a different car.....

IIRC, they did not release Casey Anthonys car back to anyone since it contained evidence.

and if he used a different car, how did they pin HIS car on him???

what a mess.
One big hot mess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 09:24:40 PM
So, why not start investigating him and see where it leads us?  Lets start with his name and address.  Only one saying he didn't do it is his family.  Evidence still being processed.  shortcake
But they didn't find anything in his car right?
I mean IF they had found hairs or DNA they wouldn't have given the car back.....I don't think.

DO they give the car back while they are waiting on tests results?I don't think they do but I could be wrong.
Could also be he used a different car.....
Karma, I can give you a reason in three letters -GPS-. I am sure he has already been told to be aware of this possibility.  He seems to have friends.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:31:41 PM
Posted by MomTective at WS



POIhttp://www.myspace.com/****youalldaylonghoe

POI’s girlfriend’s myspace http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

On POI’s girl friends myspace a friend of hers made a comment back in Apr 20, 2009 2:30 PM

*dxxx wxxers (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace*

Calica friend that made the comment http://www.myspace.com/talleyman420

Remember Alice Waters on Lindsey’s twilight myspace page http://www.myspace.com/477760045


http://veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=...=&dobdd=&doby=

It's interesting that T.T. (friend of Scalica) and D.G.’s (brother A.G.) both left with the Army at about the same time...around the time Lindsey disappeared.
Photo taken from myspace page…is this Dale working at Beehive Assisted living facility?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=10


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 09:32:21 PM
Wow,  I am just numb.  It certainly doesn't look good for this young man.   I see why they searched, and I support that effort.  I guess it depends on the analysis of the evidence now to prove yes or no. 

DD, I would be interested in your thoughts once you have had a chance to review the warrant. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Goodnight you all,have a good one.


Praying and crying for you sweet little Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
Good Night Karma  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 09:40:45 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 02, 2009, 09:42:09 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 

Thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 09:42:46 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 02, 2009, 09:45:09 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank you AZSunny,I saw that days ago and this comment from his 2nd picture .....looks so familar....the last name.What was KaraK's sis-in-laws last name?

Aly<3 [♥L0v3rFac3]Alyssa Strom        May 13, 2009 4:40 PM
Y♥UR SUCH@ CUT!3[=



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank you AZSunny,I saw that days ago and this comment from his 2nd picture .....looks so familar....the last name.What was KaraK's sis-in-laws last name?

Aly<3 [♥L0v3rFac3]Alyssa Strom        May 13, 2009 4:40 PM
Y♥UR SUCH@ CUT!3[=


Sorry that doesn't ring a bell with me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 10:11:45 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank you AZSunny,I saw that days ago and this comment from his 2nd picture .....looks so familar....the last name.What was KaraK's sis-in-laws last name?

Aly<3 [♥L0v3rFac3]Alyssa Strom        May 13, 2009 4:40 PM
Y♥UR SUCH@ CUT!3[=


Sorry that doesn't ring a bell with me.

sheedy flodstrom is the last name of the SIL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:22:02 PM
 Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 02, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

i still think they have the wrong person. nothing came out of their search.  the dogs didnt hit on anything there either. i dont know. maybe im crazy but i dont think this is the right person


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 10:28:25 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

I am thinking that there was a just cause to search the residence, and I am wondering how soon the analysis of anything they found will be back.  This is not what  expected to read in the warrant today. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:37:43 PM
I certainly didn't expect to read what I read in the SW either. When you add this all up, it doesn't look good at all. And why would he give four different stories, if you were telling the truth you only need one story, the truth.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::
NRCG   My opinion is this is still the best lead so far.  He and whoever owns the property should be looked at.  Till he is cleared, he will remain a POI.  It believe it takes weeks, maybe even months to get all of the evidence analyzed.  This is not TV and solved in an hour.  This is real life.  In the meantime this person needs to be looked at very closely.  Does anyone know if Tena Golder is related to Dale?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 10:41:02 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

have faith, things are not always what they seem.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 10:41:24 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

i still think they have the wrong person. nothing came out of their search.  the dogs didnt hit on anything there either. i dont know. maybe im crazy but i dont think this is the right person

Neither do I.  That being said ... after the revelations in the search warrants I support the LE in the contention the search was justified.

I would appreciate if our researchers on the forum to do a criminal search on this young man ... research something akin to others who have been deemed possible persons of interest.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 02, 2009, 10:43:23 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:44:24 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

i still think they have the wrong person. nothing came out of their search.  the dogs didnt hit on anything there either. i dont know. maybe im crazy but i dont think this is the right person

Neither do I.  That being said ... after the revelations in the search warrants I support the LE in the contention the search was justified.

I would appreciate if our researchers on the forum to do a criminal search on this young man ... research something akin to others who have been deemed possible persons of interest.

Janet
I have no idea if this person had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance. But reading about what he did at 14 showing porn to kids, and then doing what he did to the 12 year old, is extremely upsetting to me  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 10:44:51 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

I am thinking that there was a just cause to search the residence, and I am wondering how soon the analysis of anything they found will be back.  This is not what  expected to read in the warrant today. 

IF this young man was involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... the residence/property may not have been the scene of the crime.

However ... as I stated before ... somehow I believe that LE is focused on the wrong person.

I could be wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:46:46 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.
Thanks, it says he is a proud parent.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 02, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
Thanks, what is everyone thinking about this?  ::MonkeyEek::

i still think they have the wrong person. nothing came out of their search.  the dogs didnt hit on anything there either. i dont know. maybe im crazy but i dont think this is the right person

Neither do I.  That being said ... after the revelations in the search warrants I support the LE in the contention the search was justified.

I would appreciate if our researchers on the forum to do a criminal search on this young man ... research something akin to others who have been deemed possible persons of interest.

Janet

Yes, Janet I agree with you 100 per cent.  We should continue to search for the answers, not just give up?  Please, lets keep going and find Lindsey.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 10:53:39 PM
Karma

Hubby and I are off for a bite to eat.  Would you please continue posting  the updates.

Thanks

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Later, Janet
5:30 PM PT
I won't be here much longer,waiting for my guy to get off the tv and xbox lol
You have a good time and eat slowly but hurry back :)

Karma

I am sorry I missed ya.

Neighbour's company was a no show (rotten colds) so ... hubby and I  were invited at the last minute by default.  That was OK.  The BBQ steaks, baked potatoes and salad were deeeelicious.

Thanks for the updates.  I will read the search warrants tomorrow.  I am too tired to begin now.  Nothing will register.  It must be old age.

Good Night All

Janet
8:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 10:55:14 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 02, 2009, 10:55:58 PM
http://www.myspace.com/d343434 Look what has popped up. Another "Alice Walters" going by the name of "Grace". Many similarities to the old "Alice Walters." Something hinky here!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 10:56:17 PM





::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


OOOOPS

HE IS NO LONGER A POI OR SUSPECT -- WATCH KING 5 AT 11 PM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:57:37 PM
http://www.myspace.com/d343434 Look what has popped up. Another "Alice Walters" going by the name of "Grace". Many similarities to the old "Alice Walters." Something hinky here!
I would really like to know WTH is going on with all this  ::MonkeyEek:: That SW was disturbing to read.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 10:58:56 PM
So now he isn't a POI  ::MonkeyConfused:: Then why did LE release the SW?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:00:56 PM
K5 - Local News
http://www.king5.com/localnews/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
K5 - Local News
http://www.king5.com/localnews/
Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:03:40 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html



BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:04:44 PM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf



BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
K5 - Local News
http://www.king5.com/localnews/
Thanks

no rose colored glasses

Nothing yet.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 02, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
K5 - Local News
http://www.king5.com/localnews/
Thanks

no rose colored glasses

Nothing yet.

Janet
Thanks, I'm falling asleep here at the computer, don't know how much longer I can stay awake  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 11:11:40 PM
Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.


Hopefully when you hear Undersheriff Scott make his statement, you will understand.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
News at 11


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 02, 2009, 11:29:52 PM
News at 11

That is 2 1/2 hours away.  it is just 8:30 in Washington.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:33:15 PM
When I consider the involvement of Ron and Don of the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) in the search for Lindsey Baum this weekend ... I made the decision to share my email response from Harry Oakes regarding Beck Street.

I also included the link to Harry Oaks website with his contact numbers.

Considering Melissa Baum and LE are disregarding the findings of Harry Oakes report regarding Beck Street ...

Janet


I wonder if Harry Oakes was contacted in regards to tomorrow search effort.  Could it be that one of the focuses will be in the area of the Beck Street search by Oakes cadaver dog/s?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 11:36:53 PM
When I consider the involvement of Ron and Don of the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) in the search for Lindsey Baum this weekend ... I made the decision to share my email response from Harry Oakes regarding Beck Street.

I also included the link to Harry Oaks website with his contact numbers.

Considering Melissa Baum and LE are disregarding the findings of Harry Oakes report regarding Beck Street ...

Janet


I wonder if Harry Oakes was contacted in regards to tomorrow search effort.  Could it be that one of the focuses will be in the area of the Beck Street search by Oakes cadaver dog/s?

Janet


I heard he ain't never coming back, but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 11:38:33 PM
I have to admit I am feeling a bit confused tonight. I read everything since this afternoon. The search warrants, well they are a bit, well suspicious.

DD I respect you, you know I do. I think you put in hours and hours on these cases because you want to do good things. Your heart is golden! What I am going to say has nothing to do with you, ok?

Could Kona had been searching because she didn't want to believe her son could be involved? Maybe she was hoping to find something so it didn't point to him? I am so sorry, I am sure you are going be upset with me, but I am thinking this is not looking good. I will wait until the 11 o'clock news, but to be honest with you, I am not sure. I am going to sit on my fence and wait and see.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on October 02, 2009, 11:42:47 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Hey all - did something happen Good Today ? Seems all are UP in positives .. sorry if I am coming in on backburner..



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 02, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
I have to admit I am feeling a bit confused tonight. I read everything since this afternoon. The search warrants, well they are a bit, well suspicious.

DD I respect you, you know I do. I think you put in hours and hours on these cases because you want to do good things. Your heart is golden! What I am going to say has nothing to do with you, ok?

Could Kona had been searching because she didn't want to believe her son could be involved? Maybe she was hoping to find something so it didn't point to him? I am so sorry, I am sure you are going be upset with me, but I am thinking this is not looking good. I will wait until the 11 o'clock news, but to be honest with you, I am not sure. I am going to sit on my fence and wait and see.


Tracygirl, the Undersheriff is suppose to make a statement.  When he does, you'll know which side of the fence to be on my dear friend.  It has been so confusing though, for real.  Most of these cases are, unfortunately.  Take heart and have faith.
 :smt058


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 11:45:47 PM
I have to admit I am feeling a bit confused tonight. I read everything since this afternoon. The search warrants, well they are a bit, well suspicious.

DD I respect you, you know I do. I think you put in hours and hours on these cases because you want to do good things. Your heart is golden! What I am going to say has nothing to do with you, ok?

Could Kona had been searching because she didn't want to believe her son could be involved? Maybe she was hoping to find something so it didn't point to him? I am so sorry, I am sure you are going be upset with me, but I am thinking this is not looking good. I will wait  until the 11 o'clock news, but to be honest with you, I am not sure. I am going to sit on my fence and wait and see.


I don't blame you at all tracy... I know you do so sincerely as I know you don't say things to be mean, especially to ME.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I know what you see seems like it should be what it says, but it isn't.  This is just one of those crazy cases where people lie and other people believe them.  And it is so dang hard to get people to see the truth, especially, when I am always told to wait. ugh. 
I will tell you this though, after this weekend if they have not done as they promise I am putting it all out here for the whole world to see it.  And THAT  IS a promise


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 11:46:46 PM
When I consider the involvement of Ron and Don of the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) in the search for Lindsey Baum this weekend ... I made the decision to share my email response from Harry Oakes regarding Beck Street.

I also included the link to Harry Oaks website with his contact numbers.

Considering Melissa Baum and LE are disregarding the findings of Harry Oakes report regarding Beck Street ...

Janet


I wonder if Harry Oakes was contacted in regards to tomorrow search effort.  Could it be that one of the focuses will be in the area of the Beck Street search by Oakes cadaver dog/s?

Janet


I heard he ain't never coming back, but I could be wrong.

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 02, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
So now he isn't a POI  ::MonkeyConfused:: Then why did LE release the SW?

I think what they really wanted out there was the application so they could show why they hit that house when there was NOTHING there.  But when they put out their "probable cause", that was a shocker to say the least.  LIES LIES LIES.

someone in this case needs to start telling the truth.  then we could get back to the searching, that is suppose to be going on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Deenie on October 02, 2009, 11:52:39 PM
I will read up and then ask ..
I see your all knee deep into convo which is good. Keep It going - Justice for Lindsey
K


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 02, 2009, 11:52:42 PM
Thank you DD and sister for understanding my fence sitting, lol. You know I was not around much when kona and you posted together, so I am out in left field. I would never be mean to you DD!

 I will wait for the news, I don't have sound on my computer so if someone could type the statement out for me I would appreciate it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 12:14:43 AM
I have to admit I am feeling a bit confused tonight. I read everything since this afternoon. The search warrants, well they are a bit, well suspicious.

DD I respect you, you know I do. I think you put in hours and hours on these cases because you want to do good things. Your heart is golden! What I am going to say has nothing to do with you, ok?

Could Kona had been searching because she didn't want to believe her son could be involved? Maybe she was hoping to find something so it didn't point to him? I am so sorry, I am sure you are going be upset with me, but I am thinking this is not looking good. I will wait until the 11 o'clock news, but to be honest with you, I am not sure. I am going to sit on my fence and wait and see.

there is nothing wrong with looking down before you sit.  don't be sorry ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:19:19 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:20:31 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Is this new?? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

if it's the same article, dated October 2nd


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:25:32 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 12:29:51 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

if it's the same article, dated October 2nd


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 03, 2009, 12:29:59 AM
So is he or is he NOT a POI?

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

By Keith Eldridge & KOMO Staff  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:30:53 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true


DD the same story is posted on KIRO and KING news TV websites.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true

Sorry DD, but Q13 is local live news broadcast out of Seattle that comes on at 9:00 PM.  So what I ment by breaking news was they just covered the story from the live desk.  What can I say.  That was my source, DD what is your source?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:31:33 AM
So is he or is he NOT a POI?

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

By Keith Eldridge & KOMO Staff  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

(snipped)
Didn't see you posted this!   LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 12:31:46 AM
So is he or is he NOT a POI?

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

By Keith Eldridge & KOMO Staff  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

(snipped)

dated October 2, 2009


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:39:35 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true


DD are you getting the info from his family? Kona?  or from the LE/Sheriffs office? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 12:41:06 AM
Quote
seemed to disappear himself.
really? ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:41:29 AM
It got very quiet in here........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:42:12 AM
So is he or is he NOT a POI?

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

Investigators probe conflicting alibis in girl's disappearance

By Keith Eldridge & KOMO Staff  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

(snipped)

Klass this really is one of those crazy cases where people are not saying what it is said they are saying.  People are lying left and right and others are being said to have said things they NEVER said at all. (and not just one of them; there is no mistaking this) We end up with some crazy probable cause affadavit along with others who lie and point at people for who knows what REAL reason, and then we end up with a judge who has a personal conflict with the person the warrant was issued on, and this is what happens.

Thank God at least some people have some sense and going to put a stop to this.  What is really bad, not only do people want the wrong person convicted for this, but they are so focused on this, they forgot about looking for lindsey and the REAL perp.  ugh

And it will come out on the knews this person is NOT a poi or suspect. And hopefully, it comes out soon what else all is wrong with this case.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:47:58 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true

Sorry DD, but Q13 is local live news broadcast out of Seattle that comes on at 9:00 PM.  So what I ment by breaking news was they just covered the story from the live desk.  What can I say.  That was my source, DD what is your source?  shortcake

I was not questioning your source, I just said they needed to catch up... their news is old. 

and if I gave up all my sources I wouldn't have them.  All I can tell you is watch king 5 at 11.  I don't know what else to say.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:50:28 AM
Sorry DD, but last night you posted reasons why it could not be him and I had to give myself a timeout, I was upset.  The reasons like he was out of gas that night, his car is so low he can"t go over speed bumps??, He has to climb in and out of his sunroof to drive his car, he forgot and told the LE he worked that night, then remembered the following day he didn't and now has 8 witnesses.  It all sounds like crap to me.  But than again, who am I?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:54:38 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true

Sorry DD, but Q13 is local live news broadcast out of Seattle that comes on at 9:00 PM.  So what I ment by breaking news was they just covered the story from the live desk.  What can I say.  That was my source, DD what is your source?  shortcake

I was not questioning your source, I just said they needed to catch up... their news is old. 

and if I gave up all my sources I wouldn't have them.  All I can tell you is watch king 5 at 11.  I don't know what else to say.
DD respectfully, why only KING 5 at 11:00?  I can't wait that long.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:00:31 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 01:02:17 AM
Here in central time, it's 12mid, so am thinking it's now 11p in WA?  Anyone near there watching the news?

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:02:56 AM
It's 10 on the west coast




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 01:03:19 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.

That is a really high fever for an adult.  ER may be a good decision. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 01:04:06 AM
Oh gosh TG!  Take care of family and you.  Wash your hands .. a LOT!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:05:57 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.
go girl, the 11 o'clock news will be the same whether you watch it at 11 or not!!!
Be safe!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:06:15 AM
Sorry DD, but last night you posted reasons why it could not be him and I had to give myself a timeout, I was upset.  The reasons like he was out of gas that night, his car is so low he can"t go over speed bumps??, He has to climb in and out of his sunroof to drive his car, he forgot and told the LE he worked that night, then remembered the following day he didn't and now has 8 witnesses.  It all sounds like crap to me.  But than again, who am I?  shortcake

I know people, including you, must think by now I am totally bonkers, but I knew that was going to happen, and I understand why, so that is all okay.  All I can say is, there is so much no one knows, and it is way too hard to try to explain it all, especially when my focus is more to find lindsey that to catch a perp.  But when all the lies start convicting the wrong person, I needed to change focus for a bit, and hopefully, once this is stopped I can get back to looking for Lindsey.  In the meantime I was promised someone was looking, so I really hope they are, but if not, I will find another way to get that done. 

well there another hour so, whatever happens then makes this all moot anyway, so really no point in you and I disagreeing etc.  We will just wait, and then we will know, one way or the other. 

sorry if my information always upsets people.  Just trying to let people know what is going on.  And I am always glad to see the truth come out.  sorry if I get excited about the truth in this case, because I have seen so little of it, but when I do see it, and I see the case maybe finally going in the right direction, I guess I just was so happy about that, I couldn't sit quiet any longer.   I guess I should have just sit back and not say a word.  However, I am tired of sitting here and not saying a word.  But I just do the best I can, and that is all I can do, and sorry I am always upsetting everyone. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 01:06:18 AM
It's 10 on the west coast




Ohhhh.. lol.. TWO hours time dif?  Thanks!  ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 01:07:21 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true

Sorry DD, but Q13 is local live news broadcast out of Seattle that comes on at 9:00 PM.  So what I ment by breaking news was they just covered the story from the live desk.  What can I say.  That was my source, DD what is your source?  shortcake

I was not questioning your source, I just said they needed to catch up... their news is old. 

and if I gave up all my sources I wouldn't have them.  All I can tell you is watch king 5 at 11.  I don't know what else to say.
DD respectfully, why only KING 5 at 11:00?  I can't wait that long.  shortcake

Shortcake, I thought you were in the Washington area, was I wrong about that?     I am getting too sleepy to make it much longer. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:07:33 AM
BREAKING NEWS.   Q13 Local news just reported that LE has a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  He works on the route Lindsey took home and it was his residence searched last weekend.  He was a suspect in a rape case back in 2000.  He was 14 at the time and never charged.  They also showed a short interview with Melissa Baum.  Brings tears to my eyes.  Now I will wait for another 45 min for the KING5 news account.  shortcake 

Well he isn't one NOW so that news needs to catch up. 
Someone likes to twist, and I am not talking about dancing.

I wouldn't believe everything you read, although I can't blame anyone for believing what they read, but... sometimes what is written is not true

Sorry DD, but Q13 is local live news broadcast out of Seattle that comes on at 9:00 PM.  So what I ment by breaking news was they just covered the story from the live desk.  What can I say.  That was my source, DD what is your source?  shortcake

I was not questioning your source, I just said they needed to catch up... their news is old. 

and if I gave up all my sources I wouldn't have them.  All I can tell you is watch king 5 at 11.  I don't know what else to say.
DD respectfully, why only KING 5 at 11:00?  I can't wait that long.  shortcake

I don't know, maybe that is what I am told so that is all I know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:09:06 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.

tracy... he really needs to go to ER, don't fool around with that stuff. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:11:58 AM
It's 10 on the west coast


Ohhhh.. lol.. TWO hours time dif?  Thanks!  ::MonkeyConfused::

it's after 1 here
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:12:26 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.
go girl, the 11 o'clock news will be the same whether you watch it at 11 or not!!!
Be safe!

He won't go, we don't have medical insurance for him, he is afraid of the bill. I keep telling him we can go to county hospital and ask for medi-cal/medicare. Never be self employed, never!  It is a high fever isn't it? I am getting worried, he was ok then the fever came back.
You know the flu is going around the town we have our store in so badly. So many of our customers have come in and said they had been sick in the last week. I am not sure if the swine flu is hitting the central valley or if it is another flu?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 01:12:33 AM
Well, my 3 little doggies have gone to bed, and they keep jumping off the bed to come look for me, so I think I will call it a night also.  I will check in first thing in the AM....Let us pray they find Lindsey this weekend.

Hugs and nighty night all...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:13:47 AM
It's 10 on the west coast


Ohhhh.. lol.. TWO hours time dif?  Thanks!  ::MonkeyConfused::

it's after 1 here
 ::MonkeyWink::

I am going to bed with total confidence the news will be breaking!!
good night all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:15:31 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.
go girl, the 11 o'clock news will be the same whether you watch it at 11 or not!!!
Be safe!

He won't go, we don't have medical insurance for him, he is afraid of the bill. I keep telling him we can go to county hospital and ask for medi-cal/medicare. Never be self employed, never!  It is a high fever isn't it? I am getting worried, he was ok then the fever came back.
You know the flu is going around the town we have our store in so badly. So many of our customers have come in and said they had been sick in the last week. I am not sure if the swine flu is hitting the central valley or if it is another flu?

drag his butt -- pay on a payment plan, get his butt there.  It is a very high fever for an adult!!!
Good night my friend!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 01:18:29 AM
DD  you are correct, KING5 just reported the the LE have no suspects or POI in the case.  I must yield to you.  However, they also reported about things that they found at the search, reasons why he is being looked at, his previous involvement with a possible rape case.  Almost all of the report was about him and his mother who claims he didn't do it.  So in my book he is still a POI(I am not LE).   I think LE just want to be very careful in their choice of words.  I will wait for others to report on the broadcast. Truce?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:18:49 AM
you all are scaring me! I thought under 104.5 was good? No? Oh my, let me do some research.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 03, 2009, 01:22:21 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.

O/T - Tracygirl..one of the symptoms of H1N1 is the high fever.  My husband and I had it the first part of June (or we suspect it was H1N1).  Just be aware that it can go to your lungs very quicklly.  For us the worst part was the fever and it did not go to our lungs.   I think your husband should go to the ER.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:24:46 AM
DD  you are correct, KING5 just reported the the LE have no suspects or POI in the case.  I must yield to you.  However, they also reported about things that they found at the search, reasons why he is being looked at, his previous involvement with a possible rape case.  Almost all of the report was about him and his mother who claims he didn't do it.  So in my book he is still a POI(I am not LE).   I think LE just want to be very careful in their choice of words.  I will wait for others to report on the broadcast. Truce?  shortcake

shortcake, what is yielding have to do with finding Lindsey?  It doesn't matter who has the right information as long as the right information is presented.  Of course LE said why he was looked at in their opinion, maybe, just maybe, they were fed a bunch of whoey.  So now you are saying if LE says he is not a POI it doesn't matter.
Truth is it doesn't matter -- the perp is still out there and I pray the searches this weekend yield Lindsey coming home.
Good night monkeys.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 01:39:21 AM
I don't come across some times with what I mean.  The LE did not say this person was ruled out.  Just, they have NO suspects or POI's.  Maybe they have a list of people to watch??  Or if you wish to believe, he is ruled out.  NO, I believe he is still ruled in until I hear the LE say he is ruled out.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:42:51 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.

O/T - Tracygirl..one of the symptoms of H1N1 is the high fever.  My husband and I had it the first part of June (or we suspect it was H1N1).  Just be aware that it can go to your lungs very quicklly.  For us the worst part was the fever and it did not go to our lungs.   I think your husband should go to the ER.

Thank you all so much for offering advice. He says he will go in the morning. Trust me, it is easier to take him when he is being compliant. I read about fevers just now, if it goes over 104, straight to the hospital we go. but we are going in the morning forsure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:45:33 AM
I don't come across some times with what I mean.  The LE did not say this person was ruled out.  Just, they have NO suspects or POI's.  Maybe they have a list of people to watch??  Or if you wish to believe, he is ruled out.  NO, I believe he is still ruled in until I hear the LE say he is ruled out.  shortcake

Last weekend he was called a POI.  Tonight, LE said there is no POI.  To me that means he is ruled out.  If he was ruled in, he would be a POI.  But I suppose if LE says there is no POI, we could rule in . . . anybody as a POI, even if LE says there isn't one.
gosh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 01:46:47 AM
It got very quiet in here........

I am just refreshing every time I walk by the computer, lol. I am up doing laundry...My husband is sick tonight. Everyone in my house has had a case of the flu this past week, (swine flu?) except mama. I am not allowed to get sick yet, I have to wait until my hubby is better. I am about to take him to the ER though, he is coughing so bad and has a fever of as high as 103.7 tonight.

O/T - Tracygirl..one of the symptoms of H1N1 is the high fever.  My husband and I had it the first part of June (or we suspect it was H1N1).  Just be aware that it can go to your lungs very quicklly.  For us the worst part was the fever and it did not go to our lungs.   I think your husband should go to the ER.

Thank you all so much for offering advice. He says he will go in the morning. Trust me, it is easier to take him when he is being compliant. I read about fevers just now, if it goes over 104, straight to the hospital we go. but we are going in the morning forsure.

Nurse Nellie here -- take his temp in 2 hours even if you have to wake him up!
I'll be praying!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 03, 2009, 01:51:26 AM
I know DD is saying no but posting this anyway.  This WAS from earlier tonight.  This is where the POI came from:


http://www.komonews.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
Thanks for the advice and prayers sisters. I am going to wake up every 5 minutes to make sure he is still breathing! I will take his temp every 2 hours, I promise...I am telling him he has to take a tempid bath, lol, he is not a happy husband right now! I will see you all tomorrow.

Thanks Shortcake for posting the update.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 02:32:15 AM
Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: melisb on October 03, 2009, 02:44:30 AM
Thanks for the advice and prayers sisters. I am going to wake up every 5 minutes to make sure he is still breathing! I will take his temp every 2 hours, I promise...I am telling him he has to take a tempid bath, lol, he is not a happy husband right now! I will see you all tomorrow.

Thanks Shortcake for posting the update.
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I hope you check back in...drag him to the hospital!!  Fever can spike in seconds while sleeping.  If he absolutely refuses keep him uncovered and make his room cool or even cold, no blankets even if he's chilled, cold compresses, cold liquids, and very high doses of ibuprofen alternated with acetamenophin.  The fever seems resistant to even fever reducers so maybe don't wait the full four hours between doses.  I will pray for you it doesn't get worse and pass to you.  Us Mom's aren't allowed to be sick anyhow!  God bless and good luck!  Will wait to hear how it went if you are able to just post a line when you do get back.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 02:59:07 AM
Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake

I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to check him out.  Cuz if what we've heard about him lately is true, a boy scout he ain't.  And if true, seems there is wayyyyy too much IMO, to cover up, rearrange, explain away, make excuses for.  Sigh. 

If one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply to LE was all there was against him, then I really wouldn't look sideways at him, and doubt that LE would either.  But it doesn't seem to be JUST one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply.  My gosh!  Each day we're reading about more.. and more.. and more.. When does it stop?  How much don't we know that he may have done/said? 

I honestly hope that he had nothing to do with Lindsey's having gone missing.  But this one bears looking into, no matter who he is.  If I had read this (for example) about a son of a mayor, high sheriff, even a pastor, it would be the same for me.  I'd want him checked out thoroughly. 

Just my thoughts on it.  For now.  Til we learn more. 
   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 03, 2009, 03:20:38 AM
I am holding my breath as I hear new reports everyday since the house was looked at. There are things I did not know about him that are coming up, stuff that law enforcement is releasing. I'm terrified, and still holding my breath.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 04:03:27 AM
I'm off to bed but will post before I do.

you will find his gf already stated she never said any such thing about his mentioning anything about lindsey being cut up and dismembered. 

you are going to find that he was never suspended from his job by his employer and she never said that.

you are going to find that there is no child rape, her own family members were witnesses to that. 

give it time, it will all get cleared up.  there are more lies as well. 

the accusations in the probably cause affadavit are lies.

The judge has a personal conflict with Dale that has nothing to do with anything legal, and this judge should have never been the one to approve the warrants. 

And here is the sad thing about it all, while they are railroading this person, the real perp is just sitting there watching this and thinking they are home free.  Let me be the first to tell them, it's not happening. So get your worried shoes back on and start pacing.

we can't wish to convict someone for the wrong crime.  not for any reason, but certainly not for a reason based upon lies. 

if the real perp walks, we are going to have another "lindsey" to look for.  I don't want that to happen.

I understand you all think differently that I do.  that is fine.  research him to death if you like, but I am not.  I have something else I am working on.  And I know Dale is not the one. So for me to do that is a waste of time for me and takes away from the time I need to spend on something I am pretty dang sure about.

I have little time.  I have to prioritize what I personally spend my time on and this whole dale thing has wasted a lot of my time too, but it was something I had to do.  I can't have him taking the place of the real perp. Sorry, but I am one person, with not enough time, and I have to work on what I need to work on. 

when all the info gets out, then you will understand.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 09:20:25 AM
I am not understanding why LE is releasing the info on Dale as to why he was considered a POI.  That makes no sense to me - why would they do this?  They haven't done it for any other POI's in this case (unless i missed it).

Also, I would like to know if LE confirmed with the employer that he was in fact suspended.  Surely they would have went directly to them and not just take it as fact because someone said it.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 09:34:34 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:00:51 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 10:05:30 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW  ::MonkeyEek::  Is that all lies?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
I know DD is saying no but posting this anyway.  This WAS from earlier tonight.  This is where the POI came from:

<object height="264" width="320"><param name="movie" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" value="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=63303447" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="AllowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=63303447" AllowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" height="264" wmode="transparent" width="320"></embed></object>

http://www.komonews.com/

Why would DD object to a KOMO media report being posted on the forum?

I do not understand.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 10:23:24 AM
I know DD is saying no but posting this anyway.  This WAS from earlier tonight.  This is where the POI came from:

<object height="264" width="320"><param name="movie" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" value="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=63303447" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="AllowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=63303447" AllowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" height="264" wmode="transparent" width="320"></embed></object>

http://www.komonews.com/

Why would DD object to a KOMO media report being posted on the forum?

I do not understand.



Janet

From what I am hearing on the report he is still a POI?  Is that what you are understanding?  I don't know how he could be released from this status when they are still waiting on the analysis from the items taken from the residence.  I just hope they are continuing to look at others as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:24:21 AM
The following article was posted on KING 5 website at 10:45 PM last night ... just prior to the 11:00 news where the contents were revealed.

Janet

+++++

Family feels targeted in missing McCleary girl's case
10:45 PM PDT on Friday, October 2, 2009
By TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - A McCleary family claims they're unfairly targeted and harassed by police officers connected to the case of missing Lindsey Baum.

Friday, a tearful mother and an angry father defended their son who was the subject of a search warrant at their rural McCleary home, related to the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Court documents released Friday relate why detectives believed the son could be Baum's kidnapper.

Witnesses told detectives that the man obsessed about Baum's disappearance and expressed his belief that a girl had been "dismembered."

Officers, however, found nothing nothing to back that up.

According to court papers, witnesses also reportedly told officers they saw the man's car near where Baum disappeared on June 26 in McCleary.

A month later, officers pulled over the same man for following the mother of the missing girl around town.

While officers executed these search warrants last week, Melissa Baum continued to hope for a break in the case.

"There's hope. I know she's alive and she'll come home," she said.

According to court documents, the man also gave detectives several different stories about his whereabouts when Baum disappeared.

The man's parents told KING 5 that their son got confused because detectives interviewed him more than a month after Baum vanished. Therefore, he apparently could not remember many specific details that far back.

Court documents show detectives seized property from the man's home last weekend, including computers, paperwork, drug paraphernalia and a sex toy.

Detectives say they now have no suspect or person-of-interest, but they do have a lot of leads and a girl who seemingly vanished without a trace.

The affidavit for the search warrant also says that the man was a former suspect in the attempted rape of a child when he was 14, but he was not given a formal decision in the case.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html

 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
Good questions. 
Also why would LE(local and FBI) want to frame this guy?  Isn't the FBI still involved?

Didn't someone working on the case draw up the SW and the Judge just sign it?  So now we have multiple persons involved in the frame-up?

Why did the LE take the blue ATB dildo?  Why would the ex-girlfriend leave THAT behind?  And why would he keep it anyway?  "Sic"

Does not his name on Myspace look like a "sic" person?  At least he needs help, IMO.

Is Tena Golder who lives on Foreman Road(where search was)related to Dale?

Just a few questions...  shortcake

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:27:33 AM
I know DD is saying no but posting this anyway.  This WAS from earlier tonight.  This is where the POI came from:

<snipped>

http://www.komonews.com/

Why would DD object to a KOMO media report being posted on the forum?

I do not understand.

Janet

From what I am hearing on the report he is still a POI?  Is that what you are understanding?  I don't know how he could be released from this status when they are still waiting on the analysis from the items taken from the residence.  I just hope they are continuing to look at others as well.

I misunderstood Klaas.  I took her words as meaning that DD did not want the video posted.

I apologize.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 10:27:39 AM
Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake

I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to check him out.  Cuz if what we've heard about him lately is true, a boy scout he ain't.  And if true, seems there is wayyyyy too much IMO, to cover up, rearrange, explain away, make excuses for.  Sigh. 

If one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply to LE was all there was against him, then I really wouldn't look sideways at him, and doubt that LE would either.  But it doesn't seem to be JUST one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply.  My gosh!  Each day we're reading about more.. and more.. and more.. When does it stop?  How much don't we know that he may have done/said? 

I honestly hope that he had nothing to do with Lindsey's having gone missing.  But this one bears looking into, no matter who he is.  If I had read this (for example) about a son of a mayor, high sheriff, even a pastor, it would be the same for me.  I'd want him checked out thoroughly. 

Just my thoughts on it.  For now.  Til we learn more. 
   

Wyks, he has been checked, checked, and rechecked.

Leroy, no pool.

Janet, no objection about the news on kono, just knew it wasn't the latest.

Tracygirl, o/t hope all is well with hubby.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:27:42 AM
Good questions. 
Also why would LE(local and FBI) want to frame this guy?  Isn't the FBI still involved?

Didn't someone working on the case draw up the SW and the Judge just sign it?  So now we have multiple persons involved in the frame-up?

Why did the LE take the blue ATB dildo?  Why would the ex-girlfriend leave THAT behind?  And why would he keep it anyway?  "Sic"

Does not his name on Myspace look like a "sic" person?  At least he needs help, IMO.

Is Tena Golder who lives on Foreman Road(where search was)related to Dale?

Just a few questions...  shortcake

 
I though Tena was Dale's mother  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 10:28:12 AM
I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW  ::MonkeyEek::  Is that all lies?

I hope something comes out of the search this weekend   ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 10:29:20 AM
The following article was posted on KING 5 website at 10:45 PM last night ... just prior to the 11:00 news where the contents were revealed.

Janet

+++++

Family feels targeted in missing McCleary girl's case
10:45 PM PDT on Friday, October 2, 2009
By TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - A McCleary family claims they're unfairly targeted and harassed by police officers connected to the case of missing Lindsey Baum.

Friday, a tearful mother and an angry father defended their son who was the subject of a search warrant at their rural McCleary home, related to the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Court documents released Friday relate why detectives believed the son could be Baum's kidnapper.

Witnesses told detectives that the man obsessed about Baum's disappearance and expressed his belief that a girl had been "dismembered."

Officers, however, found nothing nothing to back that up.  

According to court papers, witnesses also reportedly told officers they saw the man's car near where Baum disappeared on June 26 in McCleary.

A month later, officers pulled over the same man for following the mother of the missing girl around town.

While officers executed these search warrants last week, Melissa Baum continued to hope for a break in the case.

"There's hope. I know she's alive and she'll come home," she said.

According to court documents, the man also gave detectives several different stories about his whereabouts when Baum disappeared.

The man's parents told KING 5 that their son got confused because detectives interviewed him more than a month after Baum vanished. Therefore, he apparently could not remember many specific details that far back.

Court documents show detectives seized property from the man's home last weekend, including computers, paperwork, drug paraphernalia and a sex toy.

Detectives say they now have no suspect or person-of-interest, but they do have a lot of leads and a girl who seemingly vanished without a trace.

The affidavit for the search warrant also says that the man was a former suspect in the attempted rape of a child when he was 14, but he was not given a formal decision in the case.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:30:49 AM
I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW  ::MonkeyEek::  Is that all lies?

I hope something comes out of the search this weekend   ::MonkeyAngel:: 
Me too. Perhaps this man has had nothing to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I'm skeptical of him  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:33:30 AM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf



BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:34:24 AM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf



BUMPED
Thanks, and they are interesting  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 10:38:40 AM
Good questions. 
Also why would LE(local and FBI) want to frame this guy?  Isn't the FBI still involved?

Didn't someone working on the case draw up the SW and the Judge just sign it?  So now we have multiple persons involved in the frame-up?

Why did the LE take the blue ATB dildo?  Why would the ex-girlfriend leave THAT behind?  And why would he keep it anyway?  "Sic"

Does not his name on Myspace look like a "sic" person?  At least he needs help, IMO.

Is Tena Golder who lives on Foreman Road(where search was)related to Dale?

Just a few questions...  shortcake
 

Shortcake, it was one officer's information on which the SW was based.  Not multiple persons.  That officer was given incorrect information.
Now you don't like the way he looks and therefore is a "sic" person.  What is your source for that, your opinion of people's physical appearance.
How about a "few questions" about finding Lindsey? after all, that is what is important, wouldn't you agree.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 10:39:43 AM
I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW  ::MonkeyEek::  Is that all lies?

I hope something comes out of the search this weekend   ::MonkeyAngel:: 

Yes Leroy, I do too!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
That's what I can't figure out Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo:: it makes no sense.

Could it be that a tip was recently received that formed the catalyst which brought together all the other the red flags that had accumulated against this young man and ... motivated LE to take action.

Karma ... it was not a framing.  Think about it.  LE concedes that no case related evidence was found.  A framing would imply planted evidence.

Janet

I need to read it all again, but in the warrant, were they talking about this guy, and a young girl, and he brought her to his bedroom, and put a dresser in front of the door, I think the girl was 12  ::MonkeyEek::
Apparently that happened when DG was 14 yo and DG's Mom is/was good friends with this girls Mom.DG was babysitting when he was showing these kids(2-3 kids he was babysitting)porno and took the 12 yo girl into a bedroom,barracated the door and demanded she strip.She cried for 2 hours then he let her out.The girl's Mom didn't want her to file charges so they didn't.
But when LE recently talked to the girl's Mom(girl is now 21 yo)the Mom denied knowing anything about it.BUT LE showed her the paperwork or something so she admitted something happened(I think).LE got a hold of the now 21 yo and she says it did happen.
I forgot what else but it's all in the warrant.

I kinda feel like we didn't get the whole story about this from others but I can't blame them for trying to protect Kona.

BUMPED!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank you AZSunny,I saw that days ago and this comment from his 2nd picture .....looks so familar....the last name.What was KaraK's sis-in-laws last name?

Aly<3 [♥L0v3rFac3]Alyssa Strom        May 13, 2009 4:40 PM
Y♥UR SUCH@ CUT!3[=


Sorry that doesn't ring a bell with me.

sheedy flodstrom is the last name of the SIL
Thank you Sunshine
Flodstrom,Strom,that's how my mind connected them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 10:42:14 AM
I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW  ::MonkeyEek::  Is that all lies?

I hope something comes out of the search this weekend   ::MonkeyAngel:: 
Me too. Perhaps this man has had nothing to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I'm skeptical of him  ::MonkeyEek::

NoRose, being skeptical is a good thing.  Helps keep our minds open.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:46:27 AM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:52:35 AM
If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 03, 2009, 10:53:47 AM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Janet, based on what the officer was told, I too think LE was justified.  It is unfortunate that what the officer was told was not correct.  Now as to why it took them so long, only LE could really answer that, after all, they could have searched that property a long time ago without the warrant.  They were invited to come talk and search.  Anyway, let's pray this weekend brings Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 10:56:00 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:59:39 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:59:45 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

Leroy

In the Caylee Marie Anthony case ... all the press conferences as well as document and video releases convinces me that LE in the Lindsey Baum case were within legal boundaries with the release of the Search Warrant.

Janet


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 11:06:16 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::

The name after myspace.com/........  concerns me.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:07:52 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

Leroy

In the Caylee Marie Anthony case ... all the press conferences as well as document and video releases convinces me that LE in the Lindsey Baum case were within legal boundaries with the release of the Search Warrant.

Janet


 

Janet - thank you...i had completly forgotten most of this info is in the SW's.  So this info would have never gotten out if the SW's were sealed.  Anyone know how they determine whether or not to seal these?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:07:54 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

If in fact all of this is based on lies, a grudge or vendetta by some, a series of misunderstandings from several sources about several events than this man has one heck of a liable lawsuit that he could file.  If LE has verified that what he had said was taken out of context, there was no rape, he was at work then they have moved on with their investigation and it is the media that is running with this. A media who have pretty much dropped coverage of Lindsey until lately.  We have checked everyone up and down the street, as well as others .  There is a whole thread about that.  We were asked not to post names as no POI was mentioned when the search warrant was served.  There was a POI announced via the media and yet we still are no further ahead in finding Lindsey and IMO everyone is very cautious about investigating this person.  It would seem to me that we will not get off this person until we do what we always do and that is research him.  If we find nothing then we will move on as we always do.   JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:11:12 AM
does anyone know how many search warrants have been served in this case?  this one seemed to have gotten the most attention...that would make me believe this is their strongest lead in this case, so I still dont get why it took them a month to even interview Dale   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 11:11:22 AM
i see my point was well made the past couple days. its good to know that while everyone respects dd u still have opinions that run a diff direction.

i browsed thru the posts quickly and saw my name a couple times so if u have questions for me ask again as i dont have time to go back thru them all sorry,,,  i need to have paper and pen handy next time i am gone a couple days from posting.

fingers crosses for a good search today!!

i have to get ready for work and take care of baby but i wil be back later to address things,, couple things that come to mind is mb's house searched and ML, oh and tracygrl asked about kids playing i think


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 11:12:51 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

If in fact all of this is based on lies, a grudge or vendetta by some, a series of misunderstandings from several sources about several events than this man has one heck of a liable lawsuit that he could file.  If LE has verified that what he had said was taken out of context, there was no rape, he was at work then they have moved on with their investigation and it is the media that is running with this. A media who have pretty much dropped coverage of Lindsey until lately.  We have checked everyone up and down the street, as well as others .  There is a whole thread about that.  We were asked not to post names as no POI was mentioned when the search warrant was served.  There was a POI announced via the media and yet we still are no further ahead in finding Lindsey and IMO everyone is very cautious about investigating this person.  It would seem to me that we will not get off this person until we do what we always do and that is research him.  If we find nothing then we will move on as we always do.   JMO
I totally agree with you  ::MonkeyCool::  And Leroy, hopefully JessStar will pop on and answer the question about the search warrant, and it being sealed or not. I think the judge determines that, but don't know for sure  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:21:11 AM
I am still wondering about AZSunnys question - if the test results aren't back, how can they clear him now?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
DD, is this you???

 
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
 
 
A newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.


Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

 
http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 03, 2009, 11:27:10 AM
LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
..
LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
...
Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
...
And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
..
I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
I wish we would find out something, the more I look at that SW  ::MonkeyEek::  Is that all lies?

I hope something comes out of the search this weekend   ::MonkeyAngel:: 
AMEN!  I live further north in Canada and we are expecting snow today.  The clues to Lindsey as well as Lindsey must be found NOW or they may never be found once winter hits , spring run off, animals, etc.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:28:28 AM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 11:32:37 AM
I don't come across some times with what I mean.  The LE did not say this person was ruled out.  Just, they have NO suspects or POI's.  Maybe they have a list of people to watch??  Or if you wish to believe, he is ruled out.  NO, I believe he is still ruled in until I hear the LE say he is ruled out.  shortcake
Can someone please post the full article or link to it saying this person is cleared(if not already posted,I'm behind)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:33:27 AM
LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
..
LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
...
Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
...
And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
..
I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
..


Kat - i dont know the answer to your question but i agree with the last statement.  If this kid is innocent then lets move on right?!  Why be so angry that your house was searched and nothing was found? I feel bad this happened to the family however I dont understand them filing a lawsuit.  If everyone innocent person in any case has their property searched, and nothing was found, and they all filed lawsuits, then LE will be so cautious about doing it and if my child goes missing I certainly hope LE holds back in fear they could be sued.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:35:00 AM

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 

Thank-you


This must be a different myspace for him.

http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe 

  Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.


No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake

There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::

The name after myspace.com/........  concerns me.  shortcake

Shortcake

I agree.  A certain aspect of a this young man charater is revealed in that myspace name and ... then when you consider the attempted rape allegation of a 12 year old girl ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
..
LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
...
Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
...
And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
..
I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
..


Kat - i dont know the answer to your question but i agree with the last statement.  If this kid is innocent then lets move on right?!  Why be so angry that your house was searched and nothing was found? I feel bad this happened to the family however I dont understand them filing a lawsuit.  If everyone innocent person in any case has their property searched, and nothing was found, and they all filed lawsuits, then LE will be so cautious about doing it and if my child goes missing I certainly hope LE doesn't  hold back in fear they could be sued.



OOPs, self edit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 11:36:27 AM
I know DD is saying no but posting this anyway.  This WAS from earlier tonight.  This is where the POI came from:

<object height="264" width="320"><param name="movie" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" value="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=63303447" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="AllowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=63303447" AllowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" height="264" wmode="transparent" width="320"></embed></object>

http://www.komonews.com/

Why would DD object to a KOMO media report being posted on the forum?

I do not understand.

Janet

I did not object to that at all TM... I just said he was no longer a POI or SUSPECT, and all Klass did was post one of the older videos to show where it had been said earlier that he was one.  I know for a fact he was one and I know it was in the news.  That is a fact.  Klass was just showing that some of the news HAD SAID he was a POI.  It had nothing to do with my objecting to anything.  why in the world would I object to having a news article or video posted that HAD said he was a POI.  We all know he WAD one at THAT time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:36:29 AM
DD, is this you???

 
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
 
 
A newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.


Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

 
http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”


I had not heard about the change in cell phone activity until this article.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:37:54 AM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

doubledecker - do you recall the situation about the judge and a conflict with dale?  I've looked and cant find it.  thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake

I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to check him out.  Cuz if what we've heard about him lately is true, a boy scout he ain't.  And if true, seems there is wayyyyy too much IMO, to cover up, rearrange, explain away, make excuses for.  Sigh. 

If one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply to LE was all there was against him, then I really wouldn't look sideways at him, and doubt that LE would either.  But it doesn't seem to be JUST one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply.  My gosh!  Each day we're reading about more.. and more.. and more.. When does it stop?  How much don't we know that he may have done/said? 

I honestly hope that he had nothing to do with Lindsey's having gone missing.  But this one bears looking into, no matter who he is.  If I had read this (for example) about a son of a mayor, high sheriff, even a pastor, it would be the same for me.  I'd want him checked out thoroughly. 

Just my thoughts on it.  For now.  Til we learn more. 
   

Wyks, he has been checked, checked, and rechecked.

Leroy, no pool.

Janet, no objection about the news on kono, just knew it wasn't the latest.

Tracygirl, o/t hope all is well with hubby.

there IS a pool sister, you must not have been around when this was talked about.  They do have a POOL... however, the pool is NOT FOR SWIMMING.  they store water in it because their well goes dry in the summer. It is used for WATER STORAGE ONLY... but there IS one there.  You probably did not know that sister because it is not a "SWIMMING" pool in the sense that anyone ever swims in it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO
Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 11:42:53 AM
LE received some information from a person or persons that was either telling the truth or not.
Throw in that he said he was working and he was on leave.
Add in the old issue where a police report was filed when he was 14.
Toss in that he was following Ms. Baum.
Maybe he's an odd duck who might set off townsperson's hinky meters. Given the situation they are probably looking at each other asking " Could it be this guy ? " And then giving themselves reasons for making a person into the perp.
..
LE would have been remisss if they didn't look at this person with a magnifying glass. Maybe they could have / should have checked him out and questioned him and then wrote up the SW, I don't know.
...
Did anyone ever determine where he was that night ?
...
And, going back to the Sanda Cantu case, didn't they put cars on flatbed trucks that belonged to persons who had no connection to the case ?
It happens.
..
I understand the parents for being upset, but they have made their case and should be quiet for a while.
..

Or maybe this guy just has incredibly bad luck  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know, I'm just going to sit back and watch this play out, but again I'm suspicious of this guy, but I'm a suspicious type of person, so that really doesn't mean much  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO
Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.

thanks Karma - well that changes my thoughts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Is the FBI still involved?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:47:26 AM
Hello night owls - just heard the broadcast again on KING5 news.  As best as I can remember the wording is "detectives say they have no suspects or POI's but a lot of leads".  So Dale is apparently a lead.  I just don't understand why we search the background of the mayor, preacher, everyone on 6th street, even a family on Church Rd. today, but will not at least look at where the 2 day search was this last weekend?  You have to admit he looks and acts very suspect.  But no background search.  Wonder how many SO's he is related to?  Nobody care?  DD, please wake these monkeys up and lets get to searching his background.  He had a rape charge involvement at age 14, lives next to a party drug smoking, nut-busting, soiled mattress, children clothes littered building and few want to look that way.  Why?  A least a peek.   ::MonkeyMad::shortcake

I'm thinking it wouldn't hurt to check him out.  Cuz if what we've heard about him lately is true, a boy scout he ain't.  And if true, seems there is wayyyyy too much IMO, to cover up, rearrange, explain away, make excuses for.  Sigh. 

If one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply to LE was all there was against him, then I really wouldn't look sideways at him, and doubt that LE would either.  But it doesn't seem to be JUST one fuzzy-sleepy wrong reply.  My gosh!  Each day we're reading about more.. and more.. and more.. When does it stop?  How much don't we know that he may have done/said? 

I honestly hope that he had nothing to do with Lindsey's having gone missing.  But this one bears looking into, no matter who he is.  If I had read this (for example) about a son of a mayor, high sheriff, even a pastor, it would be the same for me.  I'd want him checked out thoroughly. 

Just my thoughts on it.  For now.  Til we learn more. 
   

Wyks, he has been checked, checked, and rechecked.

Leroy, no pool.

Janet, no objection about the news on kono, just knew it wasn't the latest.

Tracygirl, o/t hope all is well with hubby.

there IS a pool sister, you must not have been around when this was talked about.  They do have a POOL... however, the pool is NOT FOR SWIMMING.  they store water in it because their well goes dry in the summer. It is used for WATER STORAGE ONLY... but there IS one there.  You probably did not know that sister because it is not a "SWIMMING" pool in the sense that anyone ever swims in it.

I missed when this was being talked about as well.  They have an above ground pool?  Do they fill it with well water?  When do they usually fill it and empty it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 11:47:59 AM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO
Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.
Thanks, I do remember that now. I'm concerned about what it says in the SW and his telephone calls, seems odd. Again, I will sit back and wait, but I do have to say this doesn't look good. And also now I am even more curious about the porno mags that were taken out of the house, and the vibrator  ::MonkeyEek:: I would just like to know if this guy is being set up, why? Who in that town has a vendetta on the family?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
Lots of chatter sisters, I believe this to be healthy.  Why not just clear this dude and move on???  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
Police probe conflicting alibis in Baum case

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

"(The person said) that his behavior had changed since the day of the disappearance. He had not come around as much," said Sgt. Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

But what really sparked the detective's interest is what the young man allegedly told his girlfriend the day after Lindsey disappeared.

"(He) told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," according to the search warrant.

At that point, however, even detectives didn't believe Lindsey had been a victim of a crime.

"The media and investigators did not believe that Baum was a victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance," the document said.

"For somebody to make a statement of that nature the following day of this disappearance, it is very unusual," Shumate said.

Detectives have not found any evidence to indicate the missing girl is no longer alive.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't
been there in weeks.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.

Among the Items seized were two sex toys, several used condoms, a bag of children's clothing, computers, bed sheets, blankets, and a newspaper with a story about Lindsey.

Anxious mother, searchers not giving up hope

Back at search headquarters, waiting is torture for Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum. But on Friday, Melissa was hopeful after learning police have a person of interest.

"I'm hoping they'll find her and give her back," she said.

Three months and one week after her 11-year-old daughter vanished on her walk home, locals are determined not to let up on the hunt for clues.

"It could happen to anyone, and (I) hope they'd be there for me, too," said Rebecca Watts.

Volunteers from all over the region, from Packwood to Seattle have joined in the search. Jen Page is a mother who drove 90 miles to help look for Lindsey.

"I can easily imagine how how hard it is, and this is the least I can do," she said.

Searchers plan to continue looking for the missing girl throughout the weekend.

Some staff members of "The Oprah Show" met with Melissa Baum on Friday, but it is not yet known for certain whether the case will receive national coverage.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

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This answers my FBI question.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 03, 2009, 11:51:48 AM
Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 11:52:11 AM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.  Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search, which was approved by a judge who has a personal conflict with the person. 

This stuff all needs to be cleared up... I have every confidence it will be.  I believe someone finally figured it all out and this is the very reason he is no longer a poi. 

I wish I had more time to explain all of this more clearly etc., but I don't, I did all I could do to try to help right this wrong.  I now need to get back to trying to get back to what I was doing before all of this happened.  If I see something posted that I know is a quick answer and it might help, I will answer it, but I can't keep focusing on this.  It's over in my mind, and I have to get back to the searching for lindsey part, and to the exposing a few things having to do with what I believe connects to some people who might actually be involved in Lindsey's disappearance.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:54:57 AM

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”


I had not heard about the change in cell phone activity until this article.

I know that pattern of cell phone activity was one avenue of investigation in the Caylee Marie Anthony case.

Janet

+++++++

Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 03, 2009, 11:57:05 AM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

Uh huh, sure.  All of the things against him are incorrect?  Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling.  I don't know how you can even defend him at this time.  I feel bad for his mom, but this guy has serious issues, and it's only going to get worse for him.

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.  Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search, which was approved by a judge who has a personal conflict with the person. 

This stuff all needs to be cleared up... I have every confidence it will be.  I believe someone finally figured it all out and this is the very reason he is no longer a poi. 

I wish I had more time to explain all of this more clearly etc., but I don't, I did all I could do to try to help right this wrong.  I now need to get back to trying to get back to what I was doing before all of this happened.  If I see something posted that I know is a quick answer and it might help, I will answer it, but I can't keep focusing on this.  It's over in my mind, and I have to get back to the searching for lindsey part, and to the exposing a few things having to do with what I believe connects to some people who might actually be involved in Lindsey's disappearance.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
Police probe conflicting alibis in Baum case

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

"(The person said) that his behavior had changed since the day of the disappearance. He had not come around as much," said Sgt. Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

But what really sparked the detective's interest is what the young man allegedly told his girlfriend the day after Lindsey disappeared.

"(He) told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," according to the search warrant.

At that point, however, even detectives didn't believe Lindsey had been a victim of a crime.

"The media and investigators did not believe that Baum was a victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance," the document said.

"For somebody to make a statement of that nature the following day of this disappearance, it is very unusual," Shumate said.

Detectives have not found any evidence to indicate the missing girl is no longer alive.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't
been there in weeks.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.

Among the Items seized were two sex toys, several used condoms, a bag of children's clothing, computers, bed sheets, blankets, and a newspaper with a story about Lindsey.

Anxious mother, searchers not giving up hope

Back at search headquarters, waiting is torture for Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum. But on Friday, Melissa was hopeful after learning police have a person of interest.

"I'm hoping they'll find her and give her back," she said.

Three months and one week after her 11-year-old daughter vanished on her walk home, locals are determined not to let up on the hunt for clues.

"It could happen to anyone, and (I) hope they'd be there for me, too," said Rebecca Watts.

Volunteers from all over the region, from Packwood to Seattle have joined in the search. Jen Page is a mother who drove 90 miles to help look for Lindsey.

"I can easily imagine how how hard it is, and this is the least I can do," she said.

Searchers plan to continue looking for the missing girl throughout the weekend.

Some staff members of "The Oprah Show" met with Melissa Baum on Friday, but it is not yet known for certain whether the case will receive national coverage.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html

----------------------------------

This answers my FBI question.

Thanks Northern Rose.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:00:51 PM
Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 12:00:58 PM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO

If in fact all of this is based on lies, a grudge or vendetta by some, a series of misunderstandings from several sources about several events than this man has one heck of a liable lawsuit that he could file.  If LE has verified that what he had said was taken out of context, there was no rape, he was at work then they have moved on with their investigation and it is the media that is running with this. A media who have pretty much dropped coverage of Lindsey until lately.  We have checked everyone up and down the street, as well as others .  There is a whole thread about that.  We were asked not to post names as no POI was mentioned when the search warrant was served.  There was a POI announced via the media and yet we still are no further ahead in finding Lindsey and IMO everyone is very cautious about investigating this person.  It would seem to me that we will not get off this person until we do what we always do and that is research him.  If we find nothing then we will move on as we always do.   JMO
Yes,exactly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 12:01:56 PM
That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:03:11 PM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Okay, this is where i heard this......here is DD's post:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960610#msg960610

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts. 
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 03, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 03, 2009, 12:04:43 PM
I would only be sticking up for this guy if I was in his physical presence that night. IMO, LE had alot of reasons down on paper to look at him. The family should see a lawyer to see if there is anything they can do. They have stated their case to the public and the media.
It does happen that persons are stitched up by this kind of thing. Sometimes, they go to jail ( at least here in Canada they do ) based on the same type of thing. A case I am thinking of is David Milgard. And Thomas Sophanow.
What will exonerate this person is finding Lindsay and that is seems is what LE was trying to do.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:05:46 PM
Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.

Recovering do you live in the McCleary/Elma area? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 03, 2009, 12:08:23 PM
Well, Happy Saturday y'all. I have to leave to get some stuff done.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:08:36 PM
I am praying that the 500 people Ron and Don thought would show up to search today will show up.  This should generate alot of TV coverage for Lindsey.  Hopefully they will find Lindsey, or some clues to her disappearance.   Prayers for Lindsey........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:08:46 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.
Wow!!  Where was his other job at(campground).  Anybody know the name of the campground?  This is a very interesting development if true.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:09:34 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

Karma - I just dont know what to think anymore....i hope LE is getting more credible tips no matter who they lead to....leave no stone unturned at this point.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 03, 2009, 12:10:09 PM
Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.

Recovering do you live in the McCleary/Elma area? 

Nope.  I have just been following this case like all of you, and I've seen the blatant attempts to cover up for Dale.  It's sad.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 12:12:10 PM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Is the FBI still involved?
I think the FBI signed these search warrants.
The info about the Judge having a conflict with Dale comes from DD.
I too would like to know what that conflict is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:13:11 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

Janet - I read this as they saw him last night...not the night she went missing.  Karma- can you clarify.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:13:17 PM
Well, Happy Saturday y'all. I have to leave to get some stuff done.
 

Happy Saturday to you too Kat.  Happy Saturday from one Canuck to another.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be  ::MonkeyEek::


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
Was there a pool at Dales house?
Good question  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't know what is all going on, but after reading that SW, I don't know how one can't go away with some suspicion. I also have no idea why if none of this happened, why a person/people are after this guy  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree, and now if they were to end up arresting this kid they have released facts that have tainted the jury..IMO.  Still cant figure out why they would release this kind of into to the public...except that they are mad that kona is threatening a lawsuit.  MO
Last Friday when they had the search warrant and started the searches,they said the warrants would be released in 5 days.........a few days before a law suit was talked about.
Thanks, I do remember that now. I'm concerned about what it says in the SW and his telephone calls, seems odd. Again, I will sit back and wait, but I do have to say this doesn't look good. And also now I am even more curious about the porno mags that were taken out of the house, and the vibrator  ::MonkeyEek:: I would just like to know if this guy is being set up, why? Who in that town has a vendetta on the family?
Seems like if this is a setup the LE are involved too.Those phone records don't lie........unless the local phone company is lying also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

Janet I think you have read this wrong.  his car at the Shell station during last night's search   I believe this was well after Lindsey went missing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:15:17 PM
Wow!  Still people defending Dale Golder.  It's obvious he has serious issues, and people are trying to cover for him.  There are way too many things pointing at him as being the one respnsible for Lindsey's demise.  So sad.  Poor Lindsey.  "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I'm just curious, do you know this guy personally? I will say the guy is very disturbing to me on a couple of levels, and my feelings about him I will keep to myself. I'm also curious what the towns people are saying about this guy, neighbors, coworkers?

No, I don't know him, and thank God for that.  He is VERY disturbing, and I am sick of people covering for him.  This guy is dangerous, and it's obvious.  I am crying for Lindsey.
Thank-you for answering, he is disturbing to me as well  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:15:20 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

Janet - I read this as they saw him last night...not the night she went missing.  Karma- can you clarify.  Thanks.

Thanks Leroy.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Lots of chatter sisters, I believe this to be healthy.  Why not just clear this dude and move on???  shortcake
I believe that is what we are trying to do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:15:54 PM
I have heard that the judge has a personal conflict with Dale...so if the judge decides if the SW is sealed or not, well then I'm not surprised it was released.

What/Who was the source that claimed that there was a conflict of interest which deemed the Judge should not have been in a position to give his consent to the search warrant?

Janet

It was said by one of the locals...let me see if I can go find it.

Thanks Leroy.

If a conflict of interest on the part of the judge is suspected ... then there should be an investigation.

Janet


Is the FBI still involved?
I think the FBI signed these search warrants.
The info about the Judge having a conflict with Dale comes from DD.
I too would like to know what that conflict is.

the SW was signed by Judge Stephen Brown...I couldn't recall but just went to double check.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 03, 2009, 12:16:26 PM
If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be  ::MonkeyEek::


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

Keep spinning...  Why don't you stick up for Lindsey instead of this sick individual?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:16:42 PM
Well, Happy Saturday y'all. I have to leave to get some stuff done.
 
Have a great day Kat_Gram, I hope you are feeling good today, see you later  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 12:19:30 PM
That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 12:21:34 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be  ::MonkeyEek::


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

Keep spinning...  Why don't you stick up for Lindsey instead of this sick individual?

well you have obviously made your mind up that Dale is guilty. however, it still is not a bad idea to look at everyone.  I personally am on the fence about Dale.

but I am also on the fence about MB.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:23:56 PM
Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey! ::MonkeyEek::

sebastian

I have not focused in on the "Waters" issue yet.  Who is KM?

Thanks

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:24:49 PM

And I will add that I am on fence about everyone in McCleary.  I still cant figure out why KK hasn't taken a poly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:26:07 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:29:04 PM
DD, please don't overlook that MB's car may not have been running at the time of Lindseys disappearance, and it was repaired at a later time.  I don't think dale was following her that night as it is said he was following her to see if she would lead him to information about lindsey.   I am also wondering where she was coming home from at 12 or 1 AM in the morning. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 12:30:07 PM
Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey! ::MonkeyEek::

sebastian

I have not focused in on the "Waters" issue yet.  Who is KM?

Thanks

Janet



Hi Janet,
KONAMOCHA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I am searching and can"t find where it states "MB was driving a car" when she felt she was being followed and called the police.  Please point me in the direction.  Thanks  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:31:11 PM
I am still wondering about AZSunnys question - if the test results aren't back, how can they clear him now?

I have heard no one state he is "CLEARED" just as I have never heard they stated ANYONE has been "CLEARED". 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:31:54 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I am searching and can"t find where it states "MB was driving a car" when she felt she was being followed and called the police.  Please point me in the direction.  Thanks  shortcake

I believe it was a statement in the SW's that were released.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
Hi all,
KARMA: Thank you so much for explaining how to post other peoples posts without it all running together. Sometimes I am computer illiterate.

JANET: Did you see the link I found last night with a new Alice Walters that has popped up?

I am trying really hard to keep an open mind in all of this because I respect DD's research and I was one of those who had private messages ongoing with KM for a few weeks on another site. Having said this, there is a lot of damning information coming out about KM's son that is disturbing at best.

This is one of the inconsistencies that is bugging me however. IF DG was smart enough to somehow lure Lindsey off of the street in his loud car, and elude LE for 3 months, then he is not a stupid person by any stretch. Why then, would he be stupid enough to follow Lindsey's mother, having to know that this would cast suspicion on him?

I am one confused monkey! ::MonkeyEek::

sebastian

I have not focused in on the "Waters" issue yet.  Who is KM?

Thanks

Janet



Hi Janet,
KONAMOCHA

This 62 year old granny gets sooo confused with all these initials.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 12:33:31 PM
I am still wondering about AZSunnys question - if the test results aren't back, how can they clear him now?

I have heard no one state he is "CLEARED" just as I have never heard they stated ANYONE has been "CLEARED". 

I was using the term "Cleared" as he is no longer a POI which is what you stated. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:36:20 PM
DD, is this you???

 
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
 
 
A newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.


Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

 
http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt

good lord... guess they are reading my board, however, I NEVER EVER EVER stated I was a FRIEND of kona's.  so you see again THEY LIE... the rest of it appears to be things I probably did post, not sure if word for word, unless I go check, but it certainly sounds like what I keep saying.  But as far as my EVER saying I was a FRIEND, that in itself is ridiculous, how can I be a friend of someone I have never met in my life and have only typed with on the net during this case.  The media lies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:36:47 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:36:49 PM
DD,  can you reveal where his second job was?  I believe you mentioned he no longer has either one.  Thanks.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:39:52 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:41:18 PM

And I will add that I am on fence about everyone in McCleary.  I still cant figure out why KK hasn't taken a poly.
Me too  ::MonkeyEek::  You would think that would have been done, for Heaven's sake, Lindsey was at her house before she disappeared  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:41:18 PM
Melissa M.

On August 2, 2009 ... police tape was still preventing Melissa Baum from entering Lindsey's room.  Has that tape been removed.

Thanks.

Janet

++++++++

I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:44:02 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 
I have two daughters around Dale's age, I'm familar with the music and I also don't put a lot of stock in myspace because I realize a lot of people put up things and say things for attention. I just wondered what was in his myspace, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:44:52 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:45:13 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 

what really sends up my HMMMM is how she was driving her car which "didn't run"... well now we know for a fact it did run... so now I see her as having the ability to move a body or take someone somewhere to do something to them.  Up to the top of my list she goes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed
Thank-you, I know that I'm curious about the night Dale was following her  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 12:47:06 PM
As near as I can piece together, the second job was at a campground in Olympia.  It wouln't be the Straddleline ORV Park by chance?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 12:47:28 PM
That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

TIA

I have to go but want to give you my concerns about the statement that they fill up the pool for water as the well goes dry in the summer.  I as well own an above ground pool.  They take a lot of water.  Having lived in areas that do not get serviced by city water supply or sewage I do understand wells going dry.  I do not understand if the source to fill up the pool was the well, how you would not cause your well dry by filling it up which is why I asked when they fill it.  If they filled it up in the spring then MAYBE they could get it filled after giving the well a chance to get caught up as they were filling it.  Why stress the well to do this when you could truck water into tanks though? and if your well can pump out this amount of water in once shot there I  seriously doubt it would go dry in the summer.

A 4 foot high 18' pool takes 7,646 gallons of water to fill
A 52" high pool (4' 4") 18' pool takes 8,602 gallons.

If the pool is a 21 ft' pool the water required would be 9,106 gallons and 10,408 gallons respectively.

http://www.backyardcitypools.com/swimming-pools/Pool-Volume-Calculate.htm

If their well source is sufficient to fill up these then I would not think the well would go dry in the summer.

Once you fill a pool if you do not have it either on a salt or chlorine balance you get algae fast, very fast especially as the weather gets hotter.  You would also need a pump at minimum (a skimmer also if you seriously want to use the water instead of well water)  running to ensure that all the bugs, dust, leaves, pollen, etc get filtered out or it speeds up the algae and other goodies that start growing as well as change the PH level of the water so that it would give you serious issues if used for cooking or drinking.  The pump filter would need to be cleaned at least once a week and replaced at least twice in the summer, chemical levels checked weekly and leveled up or down depending on what your pool is doing , etc.  All this for a household water source? It is an uphill battle as the weather gets warmer and the pool water stays warm from the sun.  Even covering the pool does not stop things from going into the water.  We found a dead bird in our pool once and it was covered. The water from the pool could only be used for gray water I would think (flushing toilets is the only thing I would use it for) , so if they have lived there for many generations as the articles have stated you would think by now they would have either created a dug out for grey water usage, drilled for a second well,  or had tanks to truck in water for when their well was stressed.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:47:52 PM
DD,  can you reveal where his second job was?  I believe you mentioned he no longer has either one.  Thanks.  shortcake

The search warrrant just say at a youth camp near Olympia...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:48:40 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.
Thank-you, I had trouble reading it, some of it wasn't clear, and my eyes aren't the best  ::MonkeyConfused:: Janet, you and me, about initials, I'm glad you asked, I was sitting here trying to figure out who KM was  ::MonkeyEek:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:49:47 PM
Thanks Northern Rose for that info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.
Thank-you, I had trouble reading it, some of it wasn't clear, and my eyes aren't the best  ::MonkeyConfused:: Janet, you and me, about initials, I'm glad you asked, I was sitting here trying to figure out who KM was  ::MonkeyEek:: 

I know, it is difficult to read...wish I would have printed it off at work.  But I have a 23" inch monitor at home so its a little easier to read.

What is odd is that Dale didn't call LE saying he saw a suspicious car...instead he decided to check it out himself.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 12:56:37 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 

TM, jenn is talking about RECENTLY, not the night lindsey disappeared.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:57:05 PM
 
<snipped>

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

doubledecker

From the getgo my contention was that Melissa Baum and Josh Buam ... in the process of elimination ... should be considered persons of interest by LE in the events that encompass Lindsey's disappearance.  In no uncertain terms you have always underminded my postition.

Janet

+++++++

TIMELINES AND THEORIES
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5703.0




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 12:57:44 PM
Thanks Northern Rose for that info  ::MonkeyCool::
You are welcome.  I just want to add, that the less water you have in your pool the quicker the balance goes out as it takes less time for the airbornes to get concentrated and the sun to warm the water up so things can grow.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 12:58:35 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.
Wow!!  Where was his other job at(campground).  Anybody know the name of the campground?  This is a very interesting development if true.  shortcake 
It was written in the search warrant about his job at the youth camp but it did not mention the name.
Here are some links from WS on youth camp grounds near by plus JenniferO stated last night that Lindsey was signed up to go to camp this past August.

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JenniferO:
Speaking of camp...
Lindsey was supposed to attend a girl scout camp in mid August, the picture of the t shirt that JVK posted was from that camp. Her troop signed the t shirt and presented it along with various "find Lindsey" posters, a tie dyed pillow case that they also signed and homemade cupcakes and cookies to the search center today.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=16

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kokotheklutz:
http://www.theolympian.com/camps/?ap...94110824534704

Here is an overview of some more summer camps in the area.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=13

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Jules71:
I just found Camp Thunderbird:

200 Acre facility located on Summit Lake in Olympia where Cub Scout Resident and Day camps are held. Home to the Pacific Harbors Outdoor Education Program participated in by area school districts.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=12


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Eyes4crime:
Youth camps in Olympia - Perhaps he worked at - Camp Solomon Schechter
Olympia, Washington

http://www.mysummercamps.com/camps/w...mer-camps.html

Chastain Mist Summer Riding Camp
Olympia, Washington, USA
Camp Type: Residential | Day
Show Phone # Phone: 360-888-5395
Equestrian adventures at Chastain Mist Summer Camp! Beginners thru advanced riders learn English or Western over a course of 1 to 4 weeks. ...

Contact Us Visit Website Learn More

Bicycle Adventures
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone # Phone: 360-786-0989

Joe Machnik's No. 1 Soccer Camps - Washington
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Toll-Free # Toll-Free: 800-622-4645
Scoring Goals & Saving Goals...That's what No. 1 Camps, America's foremost training ground for today's players, is all about. Founded in 1977, No. 1 Camps, with its carefully woven interaction

Camp Solomon Schechter
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone # Phone: 360-352-1019
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone # Phone: 360-352-1019
The Stampfer Center, home of Camp Solomon Schechter, offers a truly unique setting for a Jewish camping experience. Our spectacular 160 acre facility located in Olympia, Washington features breathtak

Black Lake Bible Camp
Olympia, Washington, USA Show Phone #http://www.campschechter.org/go/camp...about.camp.asp

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=12




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:59:22 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 12:59:34 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 12:59:58 PM
DD - has dale offered or been asked to take a poly? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 01:02:36 PM
DD - has dale offered or been asked to take a poly? 

BINGO!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18


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Originally Posted by momtective 
It's taken me hours and there are probably typos but here is the text version of the affidavit.
If you find a typo, please fix it if you quote the post. I've gotta run get a kid from work but I'll look over it again when I get back in a few.

All I can really say is...the mother of the 12 year old from 2000 should have her azz kicked for not believing her daughter and putting Golder away when she had the chance. Golder and his GF Steph whatever her last name is are both lying...we know this from the myspace pages...she acts like she's a casual acquaintance but we know better. My last thought is, there is no way Golder is not a POI, no way!



I am a detective with Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s Office and am currently assigned to the Investigations Division. On June 27th, 2009 at about 1:30 am Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Deputies responded to assist McCleary Police Department in locating a missing child named Lindsey Baum. Baum who was 10 years old was last seen on Maple Street near 6th Street in McCleary at about 9:30pm. She was last known to be wearing a blue long sleeve shirt, blue jeans, black shoes, and a mismatched bikini style swim suit. She was walking east on Maple Street from the Campen residence towards her residence on Momensen Road in McCleary. An extensive search was conducted over the next weeks by law enforcement, search and rescue volunteers, canine teams, and citizens.
Baum could not be located nor has any evidence been located. The incident became a criminal investigation concerning the apparent kidnapping of Baum. Located on Maple Street between 5th and 6th Street is Beehive Retirement Center. Baum is familiar with the center because her friend_________’s mother Libby Nelson works there. As part of the investigation employees and residents were interviewed about what they knew about Baum and her disappearance. Several of the staff and residents were familiar with Baum and her friend_____ because Baum walked by the retirement center to and from her friend Campen’s residence on Maple Street. None knew anything about her disappearance, nor had they seen her the night of June 26th, 2009. Not all of the employees were available to interview at the time the investigators were on site.

On 07-29-09 a concerned citizen named_________contacted investigators and wanted to report that a subject named Dale Golder worked at the Beehive retirement center. Sample said that Dale drove a small white car with loud exhaust. Sample said that Golder usually drove his car through town numerous times a day. He said that for several weeks after the Baum girl disappeared Golder wasn’t in town driving like he normally did. Sample found this suspicious. Sample identified another resident in McCleary who was familiar with Golder’s vehicle and driving habits.
Mantes was contacted and told investigators that Golder drove a small white sports car with loud exhaust. Mentes said Golder drove around town on a regular basis. He also told investigators that on the night of June 26th 2009 at about 10:00pm he saw a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple street in McCleary that he thought was Golder’s. He did not see who was driving the vehicle and thought nothing of it because seeing Golder driving around was normal. Golder is the registered owner of the white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington License______

One of the employees who was not working at the Center that night had been identified as Golder. He is an aide at the Center and is scheduled for various shifts as a “fill in.” Golder was on regularly scheduled days off on June 26th 2009 and June 27, 2009. Attempts were made to contact him on July 29, 2009 for a telephone interview to see if he had any information about Baum based on Mentes observation of what appeared to be his vehicle in McCleary on the night and at about the time Baum was last seen.

Tena Golder, Dale Golder’s mother told investigators he was asleep at the time the investigators called on July 29, 2009. She was asked to have him call an investigator when he woke up. His mother called about 30 minutes later and said that Dale had gotten up and left the residence in his vehicle. According to his mother, when she had told him that an investigator wanted a call he said he had nothing to tell the investigator because he was not working at the Retirement Center that night. His mother provided Dale’s cell phone number to the investigator.

The investigator telephoned him and Dale said he had not worked at the Center that day. When asked where he was on the evening of June 26, 2009 he said he was working at his second job at a youth camp near Olympia. The investigator contacted _____Supervisor at the youth camp. She stated that Golder was not working on the night of June 26, 2009. When asked if she was certain, she said she was because she had suspended Golder for two weeks prior to June 26, 2009 for misbehavior. She said she had been involved in a traffic collision and could not walk. She said while she was recuperating at home other employees in the camp kitchen telephoned her and complained that Golder was not doing his work and was being disruptive. She said she telephoned him and told him to go home for two weeks until she could return. She said she told him he needed to take that time to think about whatever he really wanted to work at the camp or not. She stated that she had sent Golder home for a shift at a time without pay in the past for misbehavior. Golder later confirmed that he had been suspended from June 7, 2008 through June 27, 2009. He returned to working at the camp on June 28, 2009.

On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.

Investigators interviewed a co-worker of Golder’s. She said that on two separate nights near the end of July, 2009 Golder told her that a Silver Honda Del Sol was cruising around the Beehive. Golder pointed it out to her one night and said he thought the occupants of the silver Honda were going to steel parts from his Del Sol.
Bryson claimed that Golder tried to get a license number but could not. She said the next night the vehicle was back and Golder left work to follow it. She said he told her that he called the police about it. He did not tell her he was following Melissa Baum or that the police stopped him.

While looking into Golder’s background it was discovered that in 2000 he was a suspect in the attempted rape of a child. The case was located under McCleary Police department case number 00MC0014. Golder was 14 years old at the time of the incident. It was determined that the victim of the assault was named ____________, she was 12 years old at the time. No reports of this incident appear to exist except a computer entry.
Investigators attempted to locate ____________. They first located her mother. Initially the mothe rsaid nothing like this ever happened involving her daughter. She was pressed and given details and she stated she didn’t believe anything had happened to her daughter. She said that when the police arrived to speak to her daughter her daughter told police nothing had happened.

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

A search warrant for Golders cellular telephone records for a month prior and a month after June 26, 2009 was obtained. When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm. ___________received a cellular call from a subject identified as ___________at 1:11am (06-27-09) that had a duration of 2 minutes. After that he did not make a call until 6:12am. This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown _______. He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight to 1:00am each day.

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09

On 08-26-08 investigators saw ___________in McCleary and contacted him about this case. He was asked to relate everything he had done from the time he got up on 06-26-09. He wrote a brief paragraph about going to a neighbor’s house____________) next door and planting tomatoes and having a BBQ. He said he went home about 9:00pm to watch television, but “passed out” and woke up in the morning. He claimed that he had been home and had not been in the town of McCleary that night. He claimed not to know Lindsey Baum and had never seen her before.


Further investigation revealed that_____ resides in a shop on his property outside of the town of McCleary. He rents the house on the property to a subject named _______________. _____________as interviewed and it was learned that he planted his garden near a garden that Golder had planted. Both gardens are located between the house and the shop on the property. ____________________stated that he had planted his garden the last week of May or the first week of June. He said that Golder had planted his garden weeks before he did. When asked why he was sure of this he said it was because he and Golder had discussed the progress of their tomato plants. He said that his had developed into much better plants than Golder's, even though they were planted later. He said that until the evening of Wednesday August 26, 2009 or Thursday August 27, 2009 he had only seen Golder around the shop maybe once or twice all summer. He said that after those dates Golder sometimes--------------had been at Hardy’s residence talking to him almost every evening. The increased visits coincide with_____________being interviewed on 08-26-09. Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

Investigators interviewed ________________. He stated that he had a BBQ on 06-26-09. He said Golder and a woman named ___________had attended. Investigators believed she had been at ___________, on 06-26-09 when Golder was present. She agreed to meet with investigators in person for an interview.

I believe there is probable cause to believe Lindsey Baum has been kidnapped and that evidence of that crime as described on the face of this affidavit will be found on the premises and in the vehicles described on the face of this affidavit.

Based on the foregoing information, I respectfully request a search warrant be issued for the premises and in the vehicles listed on the face of this affidavit to search for evidence described on the face of this affidavit. I have read the foregoing, know the contents thereof and believe the same to be true.

In order to execute this warrant substantial planning will be required to coordinate special search equipment and personnel, such as ground penetrating radar, specially trained search dogs and forensic personnel which would include the use of FBI employees. Public release of this application and warrant may allow evidence to be destroyed, moved, or altered while the execution is organized and coordinated between various Washington and Federal law enforcement agencies. I am requesting that the application and warrants be sealed until it has been served and a return filed or more than 10 days have passed after issuance of the warrants.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 01:07:55 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:10:23 PM
If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be  ::MonkeyEek::


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

Keep spinning...  Why don't you stick up for Lindsey instead of this sick individual?

you have no idea what all I do behind the seens to get lindsey found. And this is not about "sticking up" for him, it is about not allowing the REAL PERP to walk off and do this again, or to even get away with it this time.  It does not matter who it is or what they or like or if they are the worst person on the face of the earth or if they aren't; what matters is getting the RIGHT person or finding out where the RIGHT person might have put her.  Going after the WRONG person is surely not going to find her or will it stop it from happening again.  And in the process would you like to see all the other members of his family have to worry someone wants to come to their house and do something to them.  How do they deserve that.  How does someone who was trying to help deserve to have people say she was trying to lead me to a dead linsey and she is involved too.  When I know for a FACT, I was the one Leading her, not her leading me.  Do you really understand anything I do?  no, sorry but you don't.  why are you ATTACKING ME... why don't you just research the guy if you believe he is guilty?

and spinning?  things changed when it is said MB's car was running.  Up until that time "I" was the one defending MB moreso that ANYONE at all was defending her.  Truth be know I defended her against the very people who sit with her and smile at her and then get in other places and say they suspect her.  I am not spinning, I am pointing out a previously unkown FACT, about which we were all lied to.  Her car was RUNNING, therefore, she had the abiliity to hide a body or to take lindsey somewhere.  Now that the truth is out about that, now I full well believe, in combintation with everything else I know about, she looks VERY GUILTY>


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 01:16:33 PM
MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



Thanks Karma.  Thanks MomTective.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 03, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
DD, please don't overlook that MB's car may not have been running at the time of Lindseys disappearance, and it was repaired at a later time.  I don't think dale was following her that night as it is said he was following her to see if she would lead him to information about lindsey.   I am also wondering where she was coming home from at 12 or 1 AM in the morning. 

I have always known that when a key is twisted off in the ignition that all you have to do is use a screwdriver to go ahead and turn it.  when the key is broken off inside, it keeps all the pins lined up so it will turn, all you do is use a flathead screwdriver to turn it.  I had gave mb the benifit of not knowing how to do this.  Although, I probably should not have.  But I hate trashing the vicitims family by saying they might be guilty.  I got on this very board and defended her to no end until she emailed me.  That is when I really went WOW.  so much so I asked people close to her what the heck is wrong with her.  I was told it was not just me, but her family was wondering the same thing to the point they were getting very mad about it, as was MM.  But I just let it all go and quit talking to any of them because all it was was a trashfest on who could tell me the most garbage about the other one and no one would talke to me about lindsey.  MB was into the whole board war trashing of her x husband and all she wanted to talk to me about was email me and try to get me to tell WS who he was on that board, and all he had done blah blah blah and the last straw was when I decided she needed a PI to help find lindsey and I offered to fundraise for that so she could have one for lindsey's sake, the response I got was yes I would like one so I can have scott investigated to see where he lives and works.  That is ALL she said.  she never even mentioned lindsey.  At that point I thought wow, wth... it became pointless for me to try to help her, and all she wanted me to do was make posts on the board for her about her going to the spa, or her computer, or josh's new bike,etc, and to trash scott.  unreal.  I quit answering her emails. 

so I am now going to go back and really look at her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:23:05 PM
MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



Thanks Karma.  Thanks MomTective.

Janet


Thanks, that is a huge help  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: melisb on October 03, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
DD I'm gonna stand with you on this.  All families are raked over the coals when their child is missing but she wasn't.  I didn't understand then and don't now.  If it turns out that the young man is implicated so be it but I always thought something was wrong on KaraK's and MB's end.  Go get'em DD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:28:16 PM
DD, I took this from your above post.           (and spinning?  things changed when it is said MB's car was running.  Up until that time "I" was the one defending MB moreso that ANYONE at all was defending her.  Truth be know I defended her against the very people who sit with her and smile at her and then get in other places and say they suspect her.  I am not spinning, I am pointing out a previously unkown FACT, about which we were all lied to.  Her car was RUNNING, therefore, she had the abiliity to hide a body or to take lindsey somewhere.  Now that the truth is out about that, now I full well believe, in combintation with everything else I know about, she looks VERY GUILTY> )          ::MonkeyEek::  Are you saying, without saying it that Melissa Baum's friends, think she had something to do with Lindsey's disappearance? Because if that is the case, to me that is huge    ::MonkeyShocked:: If some of her friends, by talking to her and being with her suspect something like that, have they talked to LE? Has Melissa Baum said something to one of her friends that made them suspicious? Do they think that perhaps Josh did something and Melissa is covering for him? I sure have a lot of questions with all this. Because like Janet, I have never been quite sure what to think about Josh. 
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
DD,  can you reveal where his second job was?  I believe you mentioned he no longer has either one.  Thanks.  shortcake

I know it was at a camp, I don't know which one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 01:31:32 PM
DD, please don't overlook that MB's car may not have been running at the time of Lindseys disappearance, and it was repaired at a later time.  I don't think dale was following her that night as it is said he was following her to see if she would lead him to information about lindsey.   I am also wondering where she was coming home from at 12 or 1 AM in the morning. 
 


MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

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Quote

Originally Posted by momtective

<snipped> 

On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.

<snipped>



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 
I have two daughters around Dale's age, I'm familar with the music and I also don't put a lot of stock in myspace because I realize a lot of people put up things and say things for attention. I just wondered what was in his myspace, thanks.

I was INSIDE his myspace.  There was nothing at all in there, he likes cars, he likes fixing up his car, he has photos of his car and working on it and driving it.  he has some posts from friends as anyone else does with nothing at all weird.  his is nothing like the others you see floating around we are looking at.  he is all about his car.  I did not stay inside there long at all, but I did have to scan through the posts in there.  that is why I was in there in the first place. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:33:13 PM
DD I'm gonna stand with you on this.  All families are raked over the coals when their child is missing but she wasn't.  I didn't understand then and don't now.  If it turns out that the young man is implicated so be it but I always thought something was wrong on KaraK's and MB's end.  Go get'em DD.
I have never felt comfortable with either one of them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:34:32 PM
Hello all, hubby's fever is staying around 100, so if anyone has any advise on how to get a 180lb stubborn man to the hospital, just in case, let me know because he will not go. I suppose it is good the fever is staying around 100...ugg men are really the worse patients ever! Honestly he is driving me nuts, lol.

So I see we have some conflicting things going on. Norrose you are correct about the water in the pool being used for household use, I wonder though if it is for watering the vegetation around the property for fire season, that is the only other time I have heard of water collection in pools. Working water for a house would have to go through a water treatment system if it is collected from a pool as it is sometimes done with well water. I don't know though....

This Dale guy, on paper looks very suspicious, I will admit that but I think we can all admit, the rumor mill in this small town has been crazy! I can imagine everyone looking at each other as possibly having something to do with Lindsey vanishing.

I am not a mod or administrater or whatever but can I ask if we all can just stay respectful of others opinions. There is no reason to say someone is sticking up for the responsible person when this person is not even a poi in the case. That is not right to do. We are all hear to find Lindsey and the person responsible, we can disagree respectfully, can't we? We are all adults?

I agree with researching everyone now from the mom to this Dale guy. Lets just do it.
Here is my list of people I suggest we research...

Kara
Melissa Baum
the last witness, the woman who worked with MB
Dale
JennO (sorry but your attitude makes me suspicious and the fact you are related to Karas ex who still has a relationship with the kids)
ML
Adults at the house the girls went swimming
Kara's brother
Kara's sister inlaw
Kara's old boyfriend
The Mayor
There are others but that is it for now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 01:34:48 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 
Janet,Dale and his car was seen last night at the Shell station and his driver door was working just fine.My reason for posting that is because DD said Dale couldn't have done it with that white Del Sol car because the doors did not work and Dale would have had to push Lindsey through the sunroof.There is nothing wrong with Dale's car doors.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
not all of us are mechanically minded where we would know how to use a screw driver to start a car.  i worked at an auto parts store for 2 years and my dad was a mechanic for a gazillion years and i didnt even know that! 

her key was broken off at just the right spot that pliers couldnt get it out and nothing else could fit in. the locksmith couldnt make keys,, they couldnt find whatever code numbers where  needed to have a key made. finally they did find some however mb still couldnt get the key out of the ignition.  mb's car was not working well at all for a couple months prior to lb's disappearance. unfortunately she didnt know any friends who are mechanical nor do i. she asked to borrow my extra vehicle but i had it for sale and the fuel pump went out so she was able to find a local person who worked at the same place of employment and car pool with her to get to work.  when her entire family was at her house that weekend, her car was parked in front of the garage and it needed to be moved so her uncle worked on it and was able to get it going. she still doesnt drive it daily or long distances.

when she was being followed by the white car, which turned out to be dg's, she didnt know who he was. this occured a month AFTER lj went missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:35:04 PM
mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed

hi MM, I would like to know what was wrong with her car in the first place, according to YOU.. I would like to know what YOU have to say.  I know what someone else said but I no longer believe anything this person says as they have lied way too many times.

also when did it break. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 01:37:18 PM
self edit ^ when her entire family was there that weekend LJ went missing is what it should say


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 03, 2009, 01:37:25 PM
DD,
I noticed you were quick to say Dale would likely have gotten his doorhandles repaired by now, but assumed that MB's car would not have been repaired by July 31, & thenfore if it was running on July 31, it must have been running on June 26th?? Makes no sense to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 01:38:36 PM
gonna go through a couple pages, take some notes, then address things,,,  baby just went to sleep so gonna stock my store then will be back on later


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:38:38 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

well I know they were following KM all over the place, going by their house and following her around town.  why was MB out at midnight on july 31, where dale was.  were they following him around that night as well.  if someone kept following people in my family around I think I might want to figure out why as well and see who they are.  I think this fits right in with other things MB and them wre doing at the time.  I will have to go through my board and emails and see when they were saying they were doing what. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 03, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
Why is MM's statement being discounted?  I read her post to say MB's car was not drivable the evening Lindsey went missing until the Sunday after when she witnessed the uncle repair it.  What would the chances be she was using a screwdriver to start her car? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:40:52 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused:: He must be referring to Dale, right? Otherwise I haven't a clue.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 01:42:32 PM
If what it says is true in the SW, I can imagine how scared Melissa Baum was when he was following her that night  ::MonkeyEek:: I just don't understand that at all, I know what it said in the SW, but I bet that woman was very upset, at least I would be  ::MonkeyEek::


Here is ONE of the things that jumped out at me on that search warrant

 MB has stated dale was following her around in her car, I would like to know how she was driving that car when she said it did not work... the ONLY reason I never really put MB high on my list of people to look at is because she had no car running, and it would be pretty impossible for her to hide a body if she had to drag it down the street and way out into the woods herself without a vehicle.  But now it comes out her car was actually running and she was driving it, because she herself stated dale was following her around town... so hmmm, if her car was actually running, she goes right up to the top of my list now.  This woman shows all the signs of someone guilty, the only thing that kept me from thinking she might be was I could not figure out how in the world she could hide a body if she had no vehicle.  Well, now we see she really did have a vehicle.  So back to MB and take a good look at her too.

Kara had stated that MB's car could not be driven because the key was broken off in the ignition.  So everyone assumed MB had no transportation of her own.  Because of this, I figured there is no way she could dispose of a body.  I do know that you can take a screwdriver and still twist the ignition even if the key is broken off in it, but I gave MB the benefit of the doubt because I assumed she probably did not know you could do this.  Now I really have to go back and wonder, how is she driving that car, when she herself says Dale was following her, if in fact her car would not drive?  We now see, yes she was driving it.  So again, another lie... her car was running, she was driving it, therefore, she was capable of hiding a body. 

After reading the search warrant, we also find that lindsey's swimsuit is missing. This is a little perplexing to say the least.  I have not had time to figure this out, but will be taking the time to do it now. 

If nothing else on that SW stands out to me, it is these two things that were obviously lied about for 3 months, that has me right back to square #1 and MB.. Being all the other underlying circumstance concerning MB, and some of those in emails to me directly from her, and statements made to me directly from KK, MM, and JennO, and other information I have concerning how all of mb's own family feels about her actions, and the information about how MB never wanted HO to come help search, and how she would never even so much as come out of the house to introduce herself, how she got mad at her sister for even requesting the services of HO, how she acts(although this alone would not be something we can know how anyone might act if in this situation, however in combination with everything else), all adds up to one really strange situation. 

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::
From my understanding Melissa's car was not running but maybe she got it fixed by the end of July when Dale was following her?Maybe?
I can't believe you would turn your attention on a victims Mama without fully investigating her situation when.....there is an obvious POI right under your nose.
Sorry DD but that's just the way I feel and think with the info that I have.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:42:42 PM
Why is MM's statement being discounted?  I read her post to say MB's car was not drivable the evening Lindsey went missing until the Sunday after when she witnessed the uncle repair it.  What would the chances be she was using a screwdriver to start her car? 
Agreed, I sure would never have known about a screwdriver  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 01:43:16 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused:: He must be referring to Dale, right? Otherwise I haven't a clue.

Or the Hardy guy that is mentioned   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

TIA

I have to go but want to give you my concerns about the statement that they fill up the pool for water as the well goes dry in the summer.  I as well own an above ground pool.  They take a lot of water.  Having lived in areas that do not get serviced by city water supply or sewage I do understand wells going dry.  I do not understand if the source to fill up the pool was the well, how you would not cause your well dry by filling it up which is why I asked when they fill it.  If they filled it up in the spring then MAYBE they could get it filled after giving the well a chance to get caught up as they were filling it.  Why stress the well to do this when you could truck water into tanks though? and if your well can pump out this amount of water in once shot there I  seriously doubt it would go dry in the summer.

A 4 foot high 18' pool takes 7,646 gallons of water to fill
A 52" high pool (4' 4") 18' pool takes 8,602 gallons.

If the pool is a 21 ft' pool the water required would be 9,106 gallons and 10,408 gallons respectively.

http://www.backyardcitypools.com/swimming-pools/Pool-Volume-Calculate.htm

If their well source is sufficient to fill up these then I would not think the well would go dry in the summer.

Once you fill a pool if you do not have it either on a salt or chlorine balance you get algae fast, very fast especially as the weather gets hotter.  You would also need a pump at minimum (a skimmer also if you seriously want to use the water instead of well water)  running to ensure that all the bugs, dust, leaves, pollen, etc get filtered out or it speeds up the algae and other goodies that start growing as well as change the PH level of the water so that it would give you serious issues if used for cooking or drinking.  The pump filter would need to be cleaned at least once a week and replaced at least twice in the summer, chemical levels checked weekly and leveled up or down depending on what your pool is doing , etc.  All this for a household water source? It is an uphill battle as the weather gets warmer and the pool water stays warm from the sun.  Even covering the pool does not stop things from going into the water.  We found a dead bird in our pool once and it was covered. The water from the pool could only be used for gray water I would think (flushing toilets is the only thing I would use it for) , so if they have lived there for many generations as the articles have stated you would think by now they would have either created a dug out for grey water usage, drilled for a second well,  or had tanks to truck in water for when their well was stressed.  JMO

the well is dry... they haul water.  the truck they found the 2 yr old black tape in is the truck they use to use for hauling the water.  I am not sure how they hauled it this summer but in 2008 they were using the truck with the tape but the transmission went out in that truck, so I am not sure what they hauled with in the summer of 2009.  but the pool is for water storage, not to swim in.  they have no water in their well in the summer.  the ground shifted and it caused the well to start going DRY in the summer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused:: He must be referring to Dale, right? Otherwise I haven't a clue.

Or the Hardy guy that is mentioned   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
That's true, I don't know why things can't be simpler to understand  ::MonkeyConfused:: It could be Dale or Hardy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 01:46:51 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused:: He must be referring to Dale, right? Otherwise I haven't a clue.

Or the Hardy guy that is mentioned   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
That's true, I don't know why things can't be simpler to understand  ::MonkeyConfused:: It could be Dale or Hardy.

well whoever he is talking about, it sure is a weird statement to make.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:48:28 PM
Good post Tracygirl, and I sure hope your husband gets to feeling better soon, I know how men can be when sick  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


I agree

Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

There was a witness sighting of this young man and his vehicle at the Shell station on the evening that Lindsey went missing???

From the getgo ... I have suspected that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to rerieve the bike that had been left there earlier following the argument with her brother and ... met up with foul play.

I concede that my ongoing suspicions regarding Josh Baum has now wavered.

Karma ... you are right.  Logic dictates that EVERYBODY is not lying ... attempting to implicate Dale ... attempting to obstruct the investigation into the disappearance of a little girl.

Janet
 
Janet,Dale and his car was seen last night at the Shell station and his driver door was working just fine.My reason for posting that is because DD said Dale couldn't have done it with that white Del Sol car because the doors did not work and Dale would have had to push Lindsey through the sunroof.There is nothing wrong with Dale's car doors.

Karma

I misunderstood your words.  That misunderstanding cleared the morning cobwebs immediately ... no coffee necessary.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
10:45 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 01:49:19 PM
MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



Thanks Karma.  Thanks MomTective.

Janet


Thanks, that is a huge help  ::MonkeyCool::

NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 03, 2009, 01:49:34 PM
I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 01:51:06 PM
mb's car was NOT workin that nite as i WATCHED her uncle fix it on SUNDAY after lindsey went missing. i will finish addressing this in a while as well as LJ's room and what nite MB was followed
Thank you Melissa.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:51:30 PM
MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



Thanks Karma.  Thanks MomTective.

Janet


Thanks, that is a huge help  ::MonkeyCool::

NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

TIA
Kona is Tena Golder, Dale Golder's mother. She was posting here under the name Konamocha.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Melissa M.

On August 2, 2009 ... police tape was still preventing Melissa Baum from entering Lindsey's room.  Has that tape been removed.

Thanks.

Janet

++++++++

I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Janet,I could be wrong but I believe Melissa Baum made the decision to not take down that tape until Lindsey comes home.....sort of a way of protecting her room,protecting Mom Baum's memories.That's my take on it anyway.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 01:54:19 PM
I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
I agree, that if I was Lindsey's mom I would be doing things differently. And also, I can't believe that everything in that affidavit is a lie, that doesn't seem likely to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And I shouldn't, but I will throw in that Dale creeps me out, something about him, can't say exactly why.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 01:54:28 PM
 
<snipped>

Right now I am going to take ONE VERY HARD look at MB.  If she had access to a running vehicle, which now we know without a doubt she did, as she admits in the search warran when trying to point at Dale, then this changes everything about her ability to hide a body.  And when she says she "believe lindsey is right UNDER HER NOSE", I believe lindsey is. 

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

doubledecker

From the getgo my contention was that Melissa Baum and Josh Buam ... in the process of elimination ... should be considered persons of interest by LE in the events that encompass Lindsey's disappearance.  In no uncertain terms you have always underminded my postition.

Janet

+++++++

TIMELINES AND THEORIES
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5703.0




you are absolutely correct TM, I have ALWAYS defended josh and MB and it is this very issue between you and I which caused me to just get frustrated and go do something else away from this board.  And that is exactly my point when someone comes on the board and says I am "spinning" about MB... I of all people defended MB to the point you and I were at each other day and night over this.  However, as time goes on and I find out more about MB, have personally emailed with her, have seen what they are doing, then I go back and say well just maybe I better look at her. 

I still have MY THEORY about what happened to Lindsey, but again, I still look at everyone.  So MB is back on my radar as I need to figure out why she acts like she does, says what she does, others wonder about her who are close to her etc.  So for me to bring up MB as going up to the top of my list, has nothing whatsoever to do with "spinning", as "I" am the very person who was her greatest defender on this board and everyone knows it.  I still might not have the same reasons as you do TM concerning if MB is guilty, but I do have some very legit reasons of my own why she is up there at the top of the list, and until I can figure them out, and believe she can not have done this or why she is doing what she is doing, she will stay up there.  Along with some others who lie all the time.  but my theory involves another person.  But even this person could cause in a round about way, why MB acts weird.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Sieko on October 03, 2009, 01:54:47 PM

NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

TIA
How are ya, IM?   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
Just got information from a water treatment guy, lol why wonder right? ... I asked if water can be stored in a pool for working water at a house. He says yes, he has heard of that before. Drilling for a new well is very expensive and it is an alternative. The water would only be able to be used for working water in the home and not for drinking. It would have to be hooked up to a pump and of course chlorinated. He made it sound like it was not a big deal...



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 01:57:06 PM
I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 01:57:30 PM
That leaves me with my pool question.  Someone stated they fill it up for the summer as their well runs dry. When is it usually filled and what is the source of the water they use?  I want to confirm that it is an above ground pool, which I think I saw when they were searching the two properties.  I believe I saw an above ground round pool that looked to be at least 18' round possibly 21'.

Can anyone point me to any of the video or pictures from the search that shows the pool?

TIA

I have to go but want to give you my concerns about the statement that they fill up the pool for water as the well goes dry in the summer.  I as well own an above ground pool.  They take a lot of water.  Having lived in areas that do not get serviced by city water supply or sewage I do understand wells going dry.  I do not understand if the source to fill up the pool was the well, how you would not cause your well dry by filling it up which is why I asked when they fill it.  If they filled it up in the spring then MAYBE they could get it filled after giving the well a chance to get caught up as they were filling it.  Why stress the well to do this when you could truck water into tanks though? and if your well can pump out this amount of water in once shot there I  seriously doubt it would go dry in the summer.

A 4 foot high 18' pool takes 7,646 gallons of water to fill
A 52" high pool (4' 4") 18' pool takes 8,602 gallons.

If the pool is a 21 ft' pool the water required would be 9,106 gallons and 10,408 gallons respectively.

http://www.backyardcitypools.com/swimming-pools/Pool-Volume-Calculate.htm

If their well source is sufficient to fill up these then I would not think the well would go dry in the summer.

Once you fill a pool if you do not have it either on a salt or chlorine balance you get algae fast, very fast especially as the weather gets hotter.  You would also need a pump at minimum (a skimmer also if you seriously want to use the water instead of well water)  running to ensure that all the bugs, dust, leaves, pollen, etc get filtered out or it speeds up the algae and other goodies that start growing as well as change the PH level of the water so that it would give you serious issues if used for cooking or drinking.  The pump filter would need to be cleaned at least once a week and replaced at least twice in the summer, chemical levels checked weekly and leveled up or down depending on what your pool is doing , etc.  All this for a household water source? It is an uphill battle as the weather gets warmer and the pool water stays warm from the sun.  Even covering the pool does not stop things from going into the water.  We found a dead bird in our pool once and it was covered. The water from the pool could only be used for gray water I would think (flushing toilets is the only thing I would use it for) , so if they have lived there for many generations as the articles have stated you would think by now they would have either created a dug out for grey water usage, drilled for a second well,  or had tanks to truck in water for when their well was stressed.  JMO
Thank you for that info Northern.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 01:58:19 PM

NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

TIA
How are ya, IM?   ::MonkeyKiss::

NRCG~Thanks for the answer

 ::MonkeyKiss:: Hi Seiko, I'm doing great.....just confused as so many of these cases are a clusterfruck of lies and misdirection, just boggle my mind.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 01:58:28 PM
I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wakey Wakey Janet   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 02:00:13 PM
I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wakey Wakey Janet   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:00:50 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?
he does have an alibi from before that time and all through that time til he was home on the couch and also where he was inbetween coming from the other place to his home.  He also had people over at his own house that night who came there and know he was there until long past that time.  his alibi is solid.  A lot of people know exactly where he was.  a LOT of them. And not just for a few minutes, but from before that time and after that time.  I could see maybe a mom lying for a son(which I can't see kona doing that as she is adamant about telling on her kids), but this is several people who stopped by the house who were there when he was at home.  And before he got there, he has witnesses who know where he was before this.  I really doubt ALL these people are lying for him.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 02:04:55 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.
It was one month later and it was hard to believe that Mom Baum could have gotten her car fixed?
DD,I see no one getting upset with you because you won't search Dale out.I see no one here expecting you to search out Dale.I do see some of us tip toeing around the Dale issue out of respect to you and your research.
And believe me,we are researching and searching out anything to do with Dale Golder.Personally,for me,I need to do my own researching because when I see for myself whatever info pops up,it makes it easier for me to believe.I do appreciate your researches,thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 02:05:49 PM
I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
I agree, that if I was Lindsey's mom I would be doing things differently. And also, I can't believe that everything in that affidavit is a lie, that doesn't seem likely to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And I shouldn't, but I will throw in that Dale creeps me out, something about him, can't say exactly why.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree NRCG, after reading that search warrant I was blown away by the details, but like I said this case confuses me more than any other which is why I just read and don't post ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 02:05:59 PM
Hi DD,
So, when you offered to set up a fund for a private investigator, Mom Baum was all for it? Instead of thinking that a private investigator could be helpful in locating her missing daughter, she was just interested in finding information on her Dad Baum? That is bizarre at best! I went back and found the information that I was looking for with regards to Mom Baums' car. This was a snippet from JennO from another board.

MBs car runs and does get her from point A to point B but the heater fan is going out. It decides when it wants to run. I talked to my husband and he said it could be an easy fix. So we will get a hold of MB (maybe during the next search) and see what can be done. She's going to need heat here pretty soon. Fall is sneaking up on us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:06:53 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 02:08:33 PM
I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I wondered for awhile myself who TM was.   Thanks Tracygirl for that info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 02:09:34 PM

NRCG~I rarely post here if ever because I stay confused, but who is KONA?

TIA
How are ya, IM?   ::MonkeyKiss::

NRCG~Thanks for the answer

 ::MonkeyKiss:: Hi Seiko, I'm doing great.....just confused as so many of these cases are a clusterfruck of lies and misdirection, just boggle my mind.
This is all confusing, sort of like another case  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 02:09:37 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?
That is his alibi and his family and neighbors(at one time,I don't know if they still live there but Kona's sis-in-law and family lived across the street from Dales house)claim he was home also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 02:10:21 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
I don't know what I did but you're very welcome NoRose.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 03, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
DD,
I noticed you were quick to say Dale would likely have gotten his doorhandles repaired by now, but assumed that MB's car would not have been repaired by July 31, & thenfore if it was running on July 31, it must have been running on June 26th?? Makes no sense to me.
DD, what is your take on this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 02:12:43 PM
MB took and passed a poly...i cant get past that.  while I think her actions are very questionable, i cant look past the poly.

as for dale, if he has a solid alibi, I have to take that into consideration..to me thats huge.  so either way you look at, about 8 people are lying...those that say they saw him that night or those that have statements in the affidavit....wth.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
I agree, that if I was Lindsey's mom I would be doing things differently. And also, I can't believe that everything in that affidavit is a lie, that doesn't seem likely to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And I shouldn't, but I will throw in that Dale creeps me out, something about him, can't say exactly why.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I agree NRCG, after reading that search warrant I was blown away by the details, but like I said this case confuses me more than any other which is why I just read and don't post ::MonkeyKiss::
The search warrant is disturbing. Again I wonder did he try something like that with another girl?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 02:14:46 PM
Hi DD,
So, when you offered to set up a fund for a private investigator, Mom Baum was all for it? Instead of thinking that a private investigator could be helpful in locating her missing daughter, she was just interested in finding information on her Dad Baum? That is bizarre at best! I went back and found the information that I was looking for with regards to Mom Baums' car. This was a snippet from JennO from another board.

MBs car runs and does get her from point A to point B but the heater fan is going out. It decides when it wants to run. I talked to my husband and he said it could be an easy fix. So we will get a hold of MB (maybe during the next search) and see what can be done. She's going to need heat here pretty soon. Fall is sneaking up on us.
Why would Melissa need info on her ex husband? He is in the military, right? So she must know where he is I would assume?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 02:15:52 PM
Ok so lets pretend for a moment that MB did this. Lindsey came home, MB was all bent out of shape due to her supposedly having bi-polor and her needing a reason to get her ex husbands butt back to his family. She pushes Lindsey, she falls and hits her head and is killed? she strangles her? She does whatever she would need to to kill her daughter either accidently or on purpose. MB panicks, looks up how to start a car without a key, or maybe she did this before just incase she needed the car, she puts lindsey in the car and takes her out to the woods to get rid of her.

She calls Kara and asks, have you seen Lindsey? She has not come home and I am worried...the rest is history, she takes a poly and passes, she hooks up with Kara who wishes to also protect her self concidering Lindsey left her house that night...

I suppose you could substitute Josh for MB and stating JB was upset at his sister for not taking the bike home, he pushes his sister, she falls and hits her head. MB in a panick realizes Lindsey has died and in an effort to protect her only living child decides to place Lindsey in the car to hide her in the woods and make it look like a kidnapping.

I can't think of how else this could have happened, anyone?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
I can't say if MB had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance, but I do know this Dale guy looks like a huge creep to me at the moment.  I also know that I won't go out after dark alone these days, but if my child was missing I wouldn't care what time of day it was.  I'd be out looking for some kind of clue.

Every story in that affidavit is a lie?
I agree, that if I was Lindsey's mom I would be doing things differently. And also, I can't believe that everything in that affidavit is a lie, that doesn't seem likely to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And I shouldn't, but I will throw in that Dale creeps me out, something about him, can't say exactly why.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


I agree NRCG, after reading that search warrant I was blown away by the details, but like I said this case confuses me more than any other which is why I just read and don't post ::MonkeyKiss::
The search warrant is disturbing. Again I wonder did he try something like that with another girl?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

He cetainly seems to be a disturbed young man, and sex predators start VERY young and if there isn't succesfull intervention while they are teen, there is no hope past that according to every expert I have talked too, and that has been way to many to count.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:21:30 PM
DD, I took this from your above post.           (and spinning?  things changed when it is said MB's car was running.  Up until that time "I" was the one defending MB moreso that ANYONE at all was defending her.  Truth be know I defended her against the very people who sit with her and smile at her and then get in other places and say they suspect her.  I am not spinning, I am pointing out a previously unkown FACT, about which we were all lied to.  Her car was RUNNING, therefore, she had the abiliity to hide a body or to take lindsey somewhere.  Now that the truth is out about that, now I full well believe, in combintation with everything else I know about, she looks VERY GUILTY> )          ::MonkeyEek::  Are you saying, without saying it that Melissa Baum's friends, think she had something to do with Lindsey's disappearance? Because if that is the case, to me that is huge    ::MonkeyShocked:: If some of her friends, by talking to her and being with her suspect something like that, have they talked to LE? Has Melissa Baum said something to one of her friends that made them suspicious? Do they think that perhaps Josh did something and Melissa is covering for him? I sure have a lot of questions with all this. Because like Janet, I have never been quite sure what to think about Josh. 
 
 


several people who have spent quite a bit of time with her, as well as a few who know her very well, are suspicious of her yes.  And even more recently I was just told someone VERY close to her suspects her(but I have not confirmed that one yet) the others I either talked to them myself or it was someone very close to mb who had talked with them, and being what else I know was going on at the time, I know this must be true.

 others who might not suspect she actually harmed lindsey( or at least they did not come right out and say that ), have told me they know MB is lying.  I listened to it, but wondered if it were true or not, but as more and more surfaced I was wondering myself.  After she emailed me and I tried to ask people close to her why she would be acting as she did, then I was told her family was fed up with her and she refused to talk to them any longer.  At that point it seemed every singler person who was involved with her, her included went on some dirty laundry trashfest and it was gettin g out of hand so I wanted nothing more to do with it.  Then MM tried to get me in contact with SB as they all decided I should talk with him rather than MB about trying to get a PI for lindsey case, and it was just so weird by then I gave up on all of them.  sometimes when you are right in the middle of all this and your agenda is to do one thing to help and all this is going on you don't pay a lot of attention to the garbage, but afterwards when going back through all that was said I went whoa.  Then just recently I hear someone else close to her is doing a total turnaround on her, I really am rethinking this, at least to the point at finally taking a look at her. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:28:08 PM
not all of us are mechanically minded where we would know how to use a screw driver to start a car.  i worked at an auto parts store for 2 years and my dad was a mechanic for a gazillion years and i didnt even know that! 

her key was broken off at just the right spot that pliers couldnt get it out and nothing else could fit in. the locksmith couldnt make keys,, they couldnt find whatever code numbers where  needed to have a key made. finally they did find some however mb still couldnt get the key out of the ignition.  mb's car was not working well at all for a couple months prior to lb's disappearance. unfortunately she didnt know any friends who are mechanical nor do i. she asked to borrow my extra vehicle but i had it for sale and the fuel pump went out so she was able to find a local person who worked at the same place of employment and car pool with her to get to work.  when her entire family was at her house that weekend, her car was parked in front of the garage and it needed to be moved so her uncle worked on it and was able to get it going. she still doesnt drive it daily or long distances.

when she was being followed by the white car, which turned out to be dg's, she didnt know who he was. this occured a month AFTER lj went missing.
 

thanks MM... so it really was only the matter of the key being broken off otherwise it was running.   

when and how did the key get broken off in the ignition?
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 03, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
I want them to look at where this DG person was on the Saturday and then go to the camp where he worked. With dogs. How far away is this camp ? 
Didn't they find some stuff that had been burned in the forest. Is that on his way to work?
If DG never set eyes on Lindsay why was he following Melissa around ? Why did Kona start posting on the boards ? To provide information about other persons ? 
Sorry, this entire situation is hinky. Oh and he was " passed out "on the couch and they had company ? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 02:30:19 PM
DD I do not know anyone in this case personally, it is a strange bunch forsure. Everyone fighting, pointing fingers, spying on each other...seems like a bad episode of some TV crime drama to say the truth.
Truth, what is the truth in this case? Do we believe dogs? Do we discount dogs? Do we look at everyone's behavior or only some? Do we fight the rumors? Do we use the rumors as maybe pointing to some truth? This case is hard, just plain hard. I am just going to say publically, I do not know who did this, I am not going to back anyone, every single person is suspect.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
Ok so lets pretend for a moment that MB did this. Lindsey came home, MB was all bent out of shape due to her supposedly having bi-polor and her needing a reason to get her ex husbands butt back to his family. She pushes Lindsey, she falls and hits her head and is killed? she strangles her? She does whatever she would need to to kill her daughter either accidently or on purpose. MB panicks, looks up how to start a car without a key, or maybe she did this before just incase she needed the car, she puts lindsey in the car and takes her out to the woods to get rid of her.

She calls Kara and asks, have you seen Lindsey? She has not come home and I am worried...the rest is history, she takes a poly and passes, she hooks up with Kara who wishes to also protect her self concidering Lindsey left her house that night...

I suppose you could substitute Josh for MB and stating JB was upset at his sister for not taking the bike home, he pushes his sister, she falls and hits her head. MB in a panick realizes Lindsey has died and in an effort to protect her only living child decides to place Lindsey in the car to hide her in the woods and make it look like a kidnapping.

I can't think of how else this could have happened, anyone?

Tracygirl  Thanks, I believe you hit it right on the nose, and did all of this before the McCleary police showed up at about 11:00 that night.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:36:52 PM
DD,
I noticed you were quick to say Dale would likely have gotten his doorhandles repaired by now, but assumed that MB's car would not have been repaired by July 31, & thenfore if it was running on July 31, it must have been running on June 26th?? Makes no sense to me.

I wanted to know what exactly was wrong with mb's car.  I had been told it was the key, I wanted to ask MM to see if she knew, as the other person has lied and lied so I needed confirmation about if it was in fact the broken key that was twisted off inside the ignition.  its hard to follow me I know, but sometimes I go round about to get my answers by focusing on something else so I don't have to come right out and ask what it is I am asking.  Sometimes if you straight up ask a specific question a person will know what you are asking and figure out how to make things "work" or "match up"  I have seen people lie so much and also go back to find their answer in a post months before to make certain they don't change their story, that I find it easier to focus on something different but also knowing that my answer to what I really want to know will show up in their explanation about what I am actually asking.  So I am sorry if this is what I have to do to get honest answers or answers that I know where not thought about but just come out in the process of explaining something totaly different.  I guess you could say that is sneaky of me, but everyone has lied so much already, I am not going to give anyone a chance to think about it, go back to old posts to be sure they answer the same etc.  So I have my answer.  And I believe it is a truthful one  that the key really was broken off and that is the ONLY reason it supposedly could not be driven.  that is really all I was after. 

now I want to know how and when it got broken off.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
Ok so lets pretend for a moment that MB did this. Lindsey came home, MB was all bent out of shape due to her supposedly having bi-polor and her needing a reason to get her ex husbands butt back to his family. She pushes Lindsey, she falls and hits her head and is killed? she strangles her? She does whatever she would need to to kill her daughter either accidently or on purpose. MB panicks, looks up how to start a car without a key, or maybe she did this before just incase she needed the car, she puts lindsey in the car and takes her out to the woods to get rid of her.

She calls Kara and asks, have you seen Lindsey? She has not come home and I am worried...the rest is history, she takes a poly and passes, she hooks up with Kara who wishes to also protect her self concidering Lindsey left her house that night...

I suppose you could substitute Josh for MB and stating JB was upset at his sister for not taking the bike home, he pushes his sister, she falls and hits her head. MB in a panick realizes Lindsey has died and in an effort to protect her only living child decides to place Lindsey in the car to hide her in the woods and make it look like a kidnapping.

I can't think of how else this could have happened, anyone?

Tracygirl  Thanks, I believe you hit it right on the nose, and did all of this before the McCleary police showed up at about 11:00 that night.  shortcake

There was almost a 2 hour window!

I suspect everyone at this point. There is so much information that it is rediculous.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 02:38:33 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?
I'm not sure but it almost sounds like they are talking about someone who knows Dale.....Mentes(last name) or Hardy(last name)?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
DD, so now even family members have had enough of Melissa. That is never good when family and friends think you are lying, but they know Melissa well, so that is telling. And Tracygirl the scenario you wrote above, that could work for me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

well I know they were following KM all over the place, going by their house and following her around town.  why was MB out at midnight on july 31, where dale was.  were they following him around that night as well.  if someone kept following people in my family around I think I might want to figure out why as well and see who they are.  I think this fits right in with other things MB and them wre doing at the time.  I will have to go through my board and emails and see when they were saying they were doing what. 
From my understanding(I could be wrong)Mom Baum knows someone,a friend that works at the BeeHive.She may have been visiting this friend that late seeing as the BeeHive seems to have 24 hour shift workers.I wonder why Dale wouldn't have recconized Mom Baum considering he worked late shifts also?You would think they would have noticed eachother at some point right?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
DD, so now even family members have had enough of Melissa. That is never good when family and friends think you are lying, but they know Melissa well, so that is telling. And Tracygirl the scenario you wrote above, that could work for me.

I too got private messages from someone claiming to be a "family member" on another site. That is how I found out Mom Baum was bi-polar. From what they told me, Mom Baum had problems well before Lindsey ever went missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:44:24 PM
I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

sorry TM, your name is hard for me to remember how to type and is long... so I just put TM just as everyone uses DD for me.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Unless it is revealed otherwise ... considering the family dynamics within the Baum household ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey's disappearance:

1.  Did an erate Josh return home following the argument with Linsey as instructed by the family friend who intervened?
 
2.  Was Josh at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen/Williams residence?

3.  Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and had a fatal encounter with her erate brother?
 
4.  Did Lindsey make it home only to meet her demise at the hands of either an erate brother or and ... distraught/overwhelmed/frustrated single Mom?
 
5.  In an attempt to protect herself or her son ... did Melissa Baum request and receive help in a coverup?
 
6.  Is there legalities that LE have to consider in regard to the interrogation of a minor?

7.  Could it be that the focus has never been on Melissa B. and Josh B. as persons of interest because there were red flags from the past that LE and CPS did not want exposed ... red flags that were disregarded ... red flags that could have prevented the disappearance of Lindsey Baum if addressed.
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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html


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TIMELINE AND THEORIES
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5703.160



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 02:49:32 PM
RED FLAGS?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


... Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up. Really sad that kids do that sort of thing but it happened back when I was little to so I guess its not a new thing but I believe it is far more common now days - still not at all acceptable or called for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 03, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
LE was / is probably looking at all the paper they have on the persons who live there. DG's name comes up in their computer and it is a sex related issue. Bingo. The story in the computer records is disturbing. ( Oh, I know, it's not true ). He is exactly the type that they should be looking at. And they did. Probably case closed on any legal battles being won by the G's. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
RED FLAGS?

Considering the truth regarding the disappearance of Lindsey Baum is not known ... I feel that each Monkey on the forum should "feel" the freedom to speculate in his/her own way. 

I believe with all my heart that LE has a foundation from which suspicion of this young man has been drawn from ... suspicion that has deemed him a person of interest.  Something akin to many persons of interest in criminal cases ... the investigative process will either clear this young man or ... it will determine if he is a suspect.

However ... when I consider the witness sighting of Lindsey at Maple and Fifth ... minutes from home ... minutes from Mom and brother ... I believe the focus of the investigation should have be closer to home prior to moving outward.  Considering Melissa B and Josh B. were waiting at the end of Lindsey journey ... considering the known family dynamics ...  were these two ever deemed at some point in time persons of interest?

Janet
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MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 02:51:40 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 02:52:41 PM
RED FLAGS?


Then there are the words of mamahead, La Chester's friend,  Lindsey and Melissa M ... words that imply that there were troubling underlying dynamics within the Baum household.

Janet

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mamahead:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


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Melissa McCann



I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect.. I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:53:07 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.
It was one month later and it was hard to believe that Mom Baum could have gotten her car fixed?
DD,I see no one getting upset with you because you won't search Dale out.I see no one here expecting you to search out Dale.I do see some of us tip toeing around the Dale issue out of respect to you and your research.
And believe me,we are researching and searching out anything to do with Dale Golder.Personally,for me,I need to do my own researching because when I see for myself whatever info pops up,it makes it easier for me to believe.I do appreciate your researches,thank you.


oh god, please do not tip toe around me. NEVER.  as long as no one personally attacks me, by saying I am sic or sticking up for a child rapist or weird comments like that, by all means RESEARCH the heck out of this guy and his whole family etc.  I have no concerns about anyone researching anyone unless it is for reasons to research a poster to cause them crap, and believe me I have been asked to do that many times by posters and I say NO. as for researching dale I had posters on my board who were main members who went off the deep end at me because "I" would not do the research on Dale. I told them feel free to research him all they wanted, just that I had other things to do and I saw no point in my having to dig anymore after there was nothing more I could do.  So I'm a bit sensitive over being called names and trashed by SOME people because "I" won't use my time to research the guy.  I just the ones who keep saying to research him would just do it and quit harping at ME to do it. 

I know YOU know how to research so yes I expect YOU are researching him,  I honestly don't have any problem with that.  It is the ones who keep telling me "I" need to be researching him 'for them'.  Gee, researching is hard time consuming work, and I have other things to do and I just get tired of people acting like I have to be the one to do it.  I don't see me on anyone's payroll LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 02:56:50 PM
grrrr i am getting error msgs so sorry if this posts more than once

Ok I took some quick notes and hopefully I am addressing everything and in no order. I apologize up front for all the misspellings that will follow as I am just typing my mind before I lose thoughts.

MB’s house was searched more than once over the first few days. When I arrived at her house LE was still there and had been for hours. They checked inside and out looking for ANYTHING that was a clue regarding what happened to LJ.  In my opinion, because of all these cases where the parents ARE involved these days, LE searched houses immidately with dual eyes, looking for a clue as well as anything incriminating.  LE had put the police tape over the door so that nobody would go in there while they were conducting their search. It was requested for a couple weeks to leave it up and still not enter the room while they continued to put togther pieces of the puzzle and search for clues as tips came in. MB has chosen to leave it up and not enter the room since then, leaving it as it was (pig stye and all lol) as the plan had been for LJ to get a new bed and rearrange the room ect

Some one asked about her phone call to me when LJ went missing. It was very brief. It was midniteish. I was sleeping. She asked if I had heard from or seen LJ at all that evening, I said no why, she said LJ was missing, I said ok let me know if you need anything. Then hung up.  When I spoke to her sister the next morning she said still no sign of LJ so I went over there to MB’s house. By that time GHC was involved.   I don’t know what time it was for sure they stopped looking at LJ has just being a possible runaway but it was hours later after she was missing and then local LE called for back up.

I too have asked several times why KK hasn’t taken a poly and the story is still the same. She hasn’t been asked by LE to take one but will gladly do it if she is asked. I wish I had an answer as to why they haven’t asked her to. Her bf SW volunteered to do it, he wasn’t asked. I assume its because he is male and knows how it would look.

I wasn’t aware MB had a curfew that she couldn’t be out at midnite. When she was being followed she didn’t know who it was. She called the cops, they checked the plates, asked if she knew him and she didn’t. that is how she knew who was following hher.

Um DD,, reread my post, the key broken off is NOT the only reason why her car was not running. I am not a mechanic so I cant tell you what the issue is. I know her uncle or brother used their own vehicle to try to start it and had to have her car on the battery jumper cables for a long time before it would start.

Anyways, I am having a busy Saturday in the store this morning (yah me) and I still have to address things but will do it between customers but wanted to at least get started.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 02:57:49 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

I dont find any importance in them finding a sex toy...they are legal to buy and you may be surprised to know who does own them.  I also find no importance in finding porn in a young mans house.  Geez, I ordered my ex-hubby a dirty magazine for his birthday once!  This in itself is no crime.

But some of the other situations people have claimed that this guy put them in, now that makes me extremely suspicious. 

Please dont sit in the rafters...all opinions are theories are welcomed!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 02:58:43 PM
Hi DD,
So, when you offered to set up a fund for a private investigator, Mom Baum was all for it? Instead of thinking that a private investigator could be helpful in locating her missing daughter, she was just interested in finding information on her Dad Baum? That is bizarre at best! I went back and found the information that I was looking for with regards to Mom Baums' car. This was a snippet from JennO from another board.

MBs car runs and does get her from point A to point B but the heater fan is going out. It decides when it wants to run. I talked to my husband and he said it could be an easy fix. So we will get a hold of MB (maybe during the next search) and see what can be done. She's going to need heat here pretty soon. Fall is sneaking up on us.

that is exactly what happened about the PI.. that is also what happened about everything I tries to suggest how I might help.. all about how to do something to SB and nothing to do with lindsey, so I finally just asked her why was she not focused and I then heard all the trash.  at that point I just quit emailing.  it was pointless and in the process of trying to figure out if she always acted like that or was it she just was not coping, the people close to her were telling me about all their suspicions, so I just quit emailing all of them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
MM - thank you so much for answering our questions.  Please know that we appreciate it  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
DD,
I noticed you were quick to say Dale would likely have gotten his doorhandles repaired by now, but assumed that MB's car would not have been repaired by July 31, & thenfore if it was running on July 31, it must have been running on June 26th?? Makes no sense to me.
DD, what is your take on this?

sorry slow to get answered.  I was about 5 pages behind when I started reading, and there is one of me to read and answer all of you, so I am still behind trying to catch up, almost caught up so going as quickly as I can...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM
DD I do not know anyone in this case personally, it is a strange bunch forsure. Everyone fighting, pointing fingers, spying on each other...seems like a bad episode of some TV crime drama to say the truth.
Truth, what is the truth in this case? Do we believe dogs? Do we discount dogs? Do we look at everyone's behavior or only some? Do we fight the rumors? Do we use the rumors as maybe pointing to some truth? This case is hard, just plain hard. I am just going to say publically, I do not know who did this, I am not going to back anyone, every single person is suspect.


and that is EXACTLY how you should be tracy... that is how you figure things out.  you don't care what anyone else thinks, you just figure it all out for yourself and then you know what you think and why.  there are NO SIDES to this, there is the truth and everyone has to do what they have to do to find it for themself.  I totally agree with you.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
This sure does not look good.

His Mom got a call for him from LE to do a phone interview,he was asleep,Mom calls LE back and says he left the home and gives LE his cell number.LE calls him and he says he was not working at BeeHive that Friday and Saturday but was working at his other job on June 26th even though he was spotted driving around town that Friday.

LE calls his other job and finds out he was on disciplinary leave from June 7th through June 27th.
OMG......

I have no idea whether or not this young man is involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... I believe that LE were justified in their suspicions ... justified in searching the home/property where he resides.  I just do not understand what took them so long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

I agree
Unless we are to believe his boss at the campground lied,his exgirlfriend or current girlfriend lied,Melissa Baum lied about him following her,LE is lying about their suspicions and LE and the Judge lied,illegally,just to get this search warrant,the now 21 year old girl and her siblings all lied back in 2000,lied about being made to watch porn and lied about being held in a bedroom at the age of 12 while your babysitter tried to rape you,JenniferO lied about seeing Dale and his car at the Shell station during last night's search and his drivers door was working just fine(from witnesses that saw him and his car there).

I'm not going to apologize for having my suspicions about Dale Golder,not even if it turns out that all of the above is true because all I am doing is what I would do in any missing child case......no matter who is investigating it and no matter who is communicating with whom.
We all have opinions and are allowed to express them.
That is what I did above.

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.
It was one month later and it was hard to believe that Mom Baum could have gotten her car fixed?
DD,I see no one getting upset with you because you won't search Dale out.I see no one here expecting you to search out Dale.I do see some of us tip toeing around the Dale issue out of respect to you and your research.
And believe me,we are researching and searching out anything to do with Dale Golder.Personally,for me,I need to do my own researching because when I see for myself whatever info pops up,it makes it easier for me to believe.I do appreciate your researches,thank you.


oh god, please do not tip toe around me. NEVER.  as long as no one personally attacks me, by saying I am sic or sticking up for a child rapist or weird comments like that, by all means RESEARCH the heck out of this guy and his whole family etc.  I have no concerns about anyone researching anyone unless it is for reasons to research a poster to cause them crap, and believe me I have been asked to do that many times by posters and I say NO. as for researching dale I had posters on my board who were main members who went off the deep end at me because "I" would not do the research on Dale. I told them feel free to research him all they wanted, just that I had other things to do and I saw no point in my having to dig anymore after there was nothing more I could do.  So I'm a bit sensitive over being called names and trashed by SOME people because "I" won't use my time to research the guy.  I just the ones who keep saying to research him would just do it and quit harping at ME to do it. 

I know YOU know how to research so yes I expect YOU are researching him,  I honestly don't have any problem with that.  It is the ones who keep telling me "I" need to be researching him 'for them'.  Gee, researching is hard time consuming work, and I have other things to do and I just get tired of people acting like I have to be the one to do it.  I don't see me on anyone's payroll LOL
Ahh,I understand now,that was from your crime board.

Can you tell me if the conflict between Dale and Judge Stephen Brown has anything to do with Dale dating a relative of Judge Brown's?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:09:54 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

well I know they were following KM all over the place, going by their house and following her around town.  why was MB out at midnight on july 31, where dale was.  were they following him around that night as well.  if someone kept following people in my family around I think I might want to figure out why as well and see who they are.  I think this fits right in with other things MB and them wre doing at the time.  I will have to go through my board and emails and see when they were saying they were doing what. 
From my understanding(I could be wrong)Mom Baum knows someone,a friend that works at the BeeHive.She may have been visiting this friend that late seeing as the BeeHive seems to have 24 hour shift workers.I wonder why Dale wouldn't have recconized Mom Baum considering he worked late shifts also?You would think they would have noticed eachother at some point right?

can you tell me which friend of mb works at beehive? thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
THE POLYGRAPHS

The only words of Sheriff Scott that I have read regarding the issue of polygraphys is the following article.  Please note that Scott states that the polygraphs were taken at the request of Melissa Baum and Scott Williams ... not requested by LE.

I realized that nobody can be forced to take a polygraph but ... why were all of those with direct connections to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... in the process of elimination ... not immediately requested by LE to take polygraphs.

Janet

+++++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 03:14:48 PM
Karma, now that is interesting about Dale dating a relative of the judges  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:15:44 PM
grrrr i am getting error msgs so sorry if this posts more than once

Ok I took some quick notes and hopefully I am addressing everything and in no order. I apologize up front for all the misspellings that will follow as I am just typing my mind before I lose thoughts.

MB’s house was searched more than once over the first few days. When I arrived at her house LE was still there and had been for hours. They checked inside and out looking for ANYTHING that was a clue regarding what happened to LJ.  In my opinion, because of all these cases where the parents ARE involved these days, LE searched houses immidately with dual eyes, looking for a clue as well as anything incriminating.  LE had put the police tape over the door so that nobody would go in there while they were conducting their search. It was requested for a couple weeks to leave it up and still not enter the room while they continued to put togther pieces of the puzzle and search for clues as tips came in. MB has chosen to leave it up and not enter the room since then, leaving it as it was (pig stye and all lol) as the plan had been for LJ to get a new bed and rearrange the room ect

Some one asked about her phone call to me when LJ went missing. It was very brief. It was midniteish. I was sleeping. She asked if I had heard from or seen LJ at all that evening, I said no why, she said LJ was missing, I said ok let me know if you need anything. Then hung up.  When I spoke to her sister the next morning she said still no sign of LJ so I went over there to MB’s house. By that time GHC was involved.   I don’t know what time it was for sure they stopped looking at LJ has just being a possible runaway but it was hours later after she was missing and then local LE called for back up.

I too have asked several times why KK hasn’t taken a poly and the story is still the same. She hasn’t been asked by LE to take one but will gladly do it if she is asked. I wish I had an answer as to why they haven’t asked her to. Her bf SW volunteered to do it, he wasn’t asked. I assume its because he is male and knows how it would look.

I wasn’t aware MB had a curfew that she couldn’t be out at midnite. When she was being followed she didn’t know who it was. She called the cops, they checked the plates, asked if she knew him and she didn’t. that is how she knew who was following hher.

Um DD,, reread my post, the key broken off is NOT the only reason why her car was not running. I am not a mechanic so I cant tell you what the issue is. I know her uncle or brother used their own vehicle to try to start it and had to have her car on the battery jumper cables for a long time before it would start.

Anyways, I am having a busy Saturday in the store this morning (yah me) and I still have to address things but will do it between customers but wanted to at least get started.


I read everything you say MM, but my question is

when did the key break off and how.  And just because a car does run very well does not mean it does not run. heck many people have cars that never run well, but they still go

I just want to know how that key was broken off and when...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 03:17:11 PM
MM,
I saw that you were on today. Is MB positive that it was in fact DG that followed her? Does she remember the date? How long did he follow her? From what point to what point? Thank you!
I'm very curious about the date this happened  ::MonkeyEek::

In the SW it says it was July 31st just after midnight.

well I know they were following KM all over the place, going by their house and following her around town.  why was MB out at midnight on july 31, where dale was.  were they following him around that night as well.  if someone kept following people in my family around I think I might want to figure out why as well and see who they are.  I think this fits right in with other things MB and them wre doing at the time.  I will have to go through my board and emails and see when they were saying they were doing what. 
From my understanding(I could be wrong)Mom Baum knows someone,a friend that works at the BeeHive.She may have been visiting this friend that late seeing as the BeeHive seems to have 24 hour shift workers.I wonder why Dale wouldn't have recconized Mom Baum considering he worked late shifts also?You would think they would have noticed eachother at some point right?

can you tell me which friend of mb works at beehive? thanks
I read that somewhere and I'll have to try and find it again.Lindsey has a friend who's Mother works there.I may have gotten that confused.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:17:55 PM
DD, so now even family members have had enough of Melissa. That is never good when family and friends think you are lying, but they know Melissa well, so that is telling. And Tracygirl the scenario you wrote above, that could work for me.

yes this is what I am told yes. 

actually, I am sure MM can add to this as she was a very big part of it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 03:23:22 PM
Melissa M

Why has the family friend who intervened and the witnesses been identified after three months.  What the silence by LE?  Why the silence from McCleary residence?  Something is not right.  The names should at least have leaked to the forums by now.  IMO.

Witnesses connected with other missing person cases are seen and heard all over the talk show circuit.

The existence and credibility of these witnesses in regards to the timing of the sightings that place Lindsey at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM is very significant.  The implication is that Kara Kampen and Scott Williams are being truthful when they claim that Lindsey left their residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM.

Janet


I cant answer that for you since I am not with LE but they are not secret. The 9 30 witness is mb's coworker, the same one who broke up the arguement.... again i havent met her and i dont recall her name except i think it starts with an R.

Melissa M.

When your close relationship with Lindsey's mother is considered ... it is difficult to comprehend that you are not aware of the names of the witnesses who sighted Lindsey at 5th and Maple as well as ... the family friend who intervened in regards to the argument between Lindsey and her brother.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
gee I am almost caught up here but have got to eat, past lunch and did not eat breakfast ...hard to catch up oon this board, been behind since I got on here, on last page now so hopefully I can finaaly go eat and when I get back I won't be a ton behind again...

but hopefully, I get some time tonight to catch up as have to go work on something for a bit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 03:24:03 PM
DD, so now even family members have had enough of Melissa. That is never good when family and friends think you are lying, but they know Melissa well, so that is telling. And Tracygirl the scenario you wrote above, that could work for me.

yes this is what I am told yes. 

actually, I am sure MM can add to this as she was a very big part of it.
Thanks, Melissa can you explain more on this topic?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
Karma, now that is interesting about Dale dating a relative of the judges  ::MonkeyEek::
I don't know if that is true yet so we'll just call it speculations on my part from something I've been researching.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 03:27:49 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
Karma, now that is interesting about Dale dating a relative of the judges  ::MonkeyEek::
I don't know if that is true yet so we'll just call it speculations on my part from something I've been researching.   ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 03:30:20 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 03:31:56 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet

LOL...janet it was on the list of items taken by the police.  I believe it was listed as blue.  It did not say who it belonged to, and it may have not be Dale's property. 

You are so funny......TM!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
Karma, now that is interesting about Dale dating a relative of the judges  ::MonkeyEek::

McCleary is a small place ... something akin to Aruba.

Two of the main suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are related to the former lead detective.

Janet

++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' – April 7, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER:  Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig.  So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyWaa::
You crack me up sometimes Norose!~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
That's true Janet, small town. What I would like to know is for it being such a small town, I can't believe we haven't heard more of Dale from some of the locals. Somebody must know some info on the guy, like how he was at work, would he did for relaxation, besides working on his car. Something. And I think it was DD who said two girls made a comment about a guy in a white car, were the two girls friends of Lindsey, and was it Dale in the car?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet

Probably wrong choice of word(confiscated) .  Item taken from house during search last weekend.  I guess it was suppose to be left by ex-girlfriend of xxxx according to DD.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 03:39:56 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyWaa::
You crack me up sometimes Norose!~
At this point in time, who knows, and I still want to know what kind of porno mags were taken out of the house  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 03:43:22 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyWaa::
You crack me up sometimes Norose!~
At this point in time, who knows, and I still want to know what kind of porno mags were taken out of the house  ::MonkeyEek::

NoRose - i dont think the porn mags mean anything...if it was child porn there would have been arrest.  other than child porn, porn mags cant be that bad...imo.  as they say, boys will be boys.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 03:44:25 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::

I get it!

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Something akin to flip flops that used to be called thongs.

While on holidays this summer ... I approached the young man behind the front desk of the hotel we were staying at and ... inquired if my missing thongs had been turned in ... missing thongs that I thought I had left beside the pool.

I immediately realized I had said the wrong thing when I saw the shocked/ confused expression on the kid's face.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 03:46:04 PM
Janet -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:47:28 PM
That's true Janet, small town. What I would like to know is for it being such a small town, I can't believe we haven't heard more of Dale from some of the locals. Somebody must know some info on the guy, like how he was at work, would he did for relaxation, besides working on his car. Something. And I think it was DD who said two girls made a comment about a guy in a white car, were the two girls friends of Lindsey, and was it Dale in the car?

good I see you aren't 10 pages ahead of me again...

will answer this really quick then I have to go research something.

no it was no dale in that car they pointed out on the net what kind of car it looked like, was no where the same kind, they guy was definitely now someone who looked like dale.  they knew it was NOT dale or his car.

will just check in now and then have to work on something


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 03:48:07 PM
Monkeys ...I am off for now.

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyWaa::
You crack me up sometimes Norose!~
At this point in time, who knows, and I still want to know what kind of porno mags were taken out of the house  ::MonkeyEek::

I am pretty sure the LE are still are looking the porno mags over for "clues".   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 03, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyWaa::
You crack me up sometimes Norose!~
At this point in time, who knows, and I still want to know what kind of porno mags were taken out of the house  ::MonkeyEek::

I am pretty sure the LE are still are looking the porno mags over for "clues".   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  oh i bet they are


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyWaa::
You crack me up sometimes Norose!~
At this point in time, who knows, and I still want to know what kind of porno mags were taken out of the house  ::MonkeyEek::

every single item taken out of the house is listed over on the search warrant and evidence receipt thread here on sm.  I had posted it all over here as well so everyone would have easy access to it.

I went through each item and listed where is was found, who it belonged to, what kind, etc.  I think I had missed one thing on there and still have not had time to go ask, and forgot; but other than that it is all listed on there. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 04:02:30 PM
I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.

JB was questioned by LE a couple different times the first few days. I have never suspected it was him as he cant keep a secret to save his life and he is terrible at trying to lie. He has been that way since he was a little boy.  Which also leads into MB doing it.  I have NEVER once said I thought she did it or that she was covering for JB. JB did go home after R told him to.  Which again is something he has felt guilty for and talked about openly. Fortunately he has a good councelor that spends time with him.

As for MB having bi-polar issues, she has been on medication and has that under control. I did say ‘she must be off her meds’ to DD  based on something she said to me which made me mad. Which ties into what I said the other day (since everyone likes to try to tie everything together) when someone brought up  my comment about getting MB away from KK in which I explained I went over to talk to MB in a matter that didn’t concern KK. Anyways, MB said she isn’t off her meds, or missing doses, or anything like that, just that she was angry at me and reacted by saying the harsh words.


Gonna take forever to get caught up and address things the more people bring thigns up.. so bear with me… still have customers


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 04:15:25 PM
Just got information from a water treatment guy, lol why wonder right? ... I asked if water can be stored in a pool for working water at a house. He says yes, he has heard of that before. Drilling for a new well is very expensive and it is an alternative. The water would only be able to be used for working water in the home and not for drinking. It would have to be hooked up to a pump and of course chlorinated. He made it sound like it was not a big deal...



Thanks Tracy.  So this would mean for flushing toilets, washing clothes, PERHAPS showers, but not for drinking or cooking with.  I am not sure I would want to bath or shower in chlorinated or salt water, nor wash my clothes in it either which is why I said I would only use it for flushing toilets.  I know how much stuff I get out of my pool daily and it is covered when not in use and I use a robot that cleans it every day, have a filter and skimmer running 24/7 for the entire season.   DD I never implied they use it for swimming.  I was just pointing out that it takes work to keep it at a safe level to go swimming in- daily work, and if the water was to be used for drinking, cooking, etc, I can not see it logically happening, though I would be able to see the water being used for grey water and nothing more.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 04:17:03 PM
Janet -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I guess one has to be real careful in how your phrase things. Oh, I don't care if he had porno mags, my concern if it was child porn, and I guess he would be arrested if it was that, at least I would hope so.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 04:17:56 PM
That's true Janet, small town. What I would like to know is for it being such a small town, I can't believe we haven't heard more of Dale from some of the locals. Somebody must know some info on the guy, like how he was at work, would he did for relaxation, besides working on his car. Something. And I think it was DD who said two girls made a comment about a guy in a white car, were the two girls friends of Lindsey, and was it Dale in the car?

good I see you aren't 10 pages ahead of me again...

will answer this really quick then I have to go research something.

no it was no dale in that car they pointed out on the net what kind of car it looked like, was no where the same kind, they guy was definitely now someone who looked like dale.  they knew it was NOT dale or his car.

will just check in now and then have to work on something

Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
MB took and passed a poly...i cant get past that.  while I think her actions are very questionable, i cant look past the poly.

as for dale, if he has a solid alibi, I have to take that into consideration..to me thats huge.  so either way you look at, about 8 people are lying...those that say they saw him that night or those that have statements in the affidavit....wth.

Leroy you summed it up perfectly.  Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 04:35:55 PM
I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Is this the pool with the stove next to it as a diving board?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 04:44:07 PM
I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Is this the girl who was being so awful to Lindsey and then they "made up"?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 04:46:12 PM
just got word in that search yesterday that was "suppose" to be a burglary or assault warrant out of mason county.... well eye witness saw them remove the bed out of that house and take it...


so hmmmm does not sound like a burglary or assault warrant to me... why take the person's bed over that.  ????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 04:50:58 PM
just got word in that search yesterday that was "suppose" to be a burglary or assault warrant out of mason county.... well eye witness saw them remove the bed out of that house and take it...


so hmmmm does not sound like a burglary or assault warrant to me... why take the person's bed over that.  ????

I can be slow to grasp things so bear with me DD. A witness saw them remove a bed from the home? Did we ever determine if the Feesers lived there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on October 03, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
As for other kids playing in the area, I have heard there were. Again though, its summer time, not dark out yet, it’s a nightly occurance for kids to be out, the overall feeling of the community was it was safe to do so.  And there were teens which are kids in my mind still. Some of whom were questioned.

As for mb’s lack of showing emotion in public, this has been addressed before by myself. There are several interviews in which she tears up but for the most part she does it behind closed doors. I cant totally explain it except that there have been numerous moms who go on tv all boohooing only to have been guilty of the crime and she wasn’t going to do that. Again that is why she volunteered for the poly because she wants her daughter found.  But based on  opinions thus far, if she had been super emotional someone would of made comments about that too. No matter what she does its too this or not enough that. I do know that MB wont let her mind go to the dark place of Lindsey being gone. I am thinking that if my child was gone I wouldn’t want to think that either.  The statistics are just statistics and until LB is found she cant be one. So chances don’t look good she is still alive based on other cases but we don’t know for sure!  I told MB she needs to prepare for the worst as it could be the case but I don’t think she has. I also said that I hope that if the worst is what happened, meaning LJ is dead, then I hope to god that it’s a best worst case scenario meaning her body is found and soon. I assume the unknown is far worse than getting closure by death. Know what I mean?

And backtracking to my last post and my convo with MB when I was mad at what she said and vice versa,, it ties into the family thing. She wasn’t speakin to certain members because she felt they were going behind her back to help SB try to get JB which was not the case. SB isn’t the most tactful person and you all know about his lack of involvement the past 3 years so now was not the time for him to try to get JB. She also thought that because I had been in contact with him that I was assisting him as well.  I said JB should stay else where for a while but with SB was definitely NOT the place for him to be.  JB does get teased by the kids all around town. They like to instigate things, and antagonize him to get a reaction. Then to add the fact that his sister is missing, I imagined very horrible things goin on at school and felt the best thing would be for JB to be away from the area until LJ is found. MB said so far he hasn’t been teased at school.  I get that kids are terrible and I am not sure why JB is such an easy mark but no wonder why he is partly how he is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 04:54:18 PM
just got word in that search yesterday that was "suppose" to be a burglary or assault warrant out of mason county.... well eye witness saw them remove the bed out of that house and take it...


so hmmmm does not sound like a burglary or assault warrant to me... why take the person's bed over that.  ????

I can be slow to grasp things so bear with me DD. A witness saw them remove a bed from the home? Did we ever determine if the Feesers lived there?

never determined who is actually living there NOW.. it use to be the grandparents' feesers' property, but they don't live there now.. there were so many names connected to that property can't tell yet, and I didn't really look after it seemed nothing was going on

and yes, someone saw them take the bed out


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 04:57:37 PM
Just a thought about the porno mags.  If the LE found old playboy mags as we were told.  Why put them in a evidence bag?  Then again if they were "child" type, who would they arrest if nobody would admit it was theirs(I believe 4 adults live there).  You know "it was left by a friend or some transient".  Just a possibility.  Seems like a lot we do not know for sure.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 05:07:39 PM
just got word in that search yesterday that was "suppose" to be a burglary or assault warrant out of mason county.... well eye witness saw them remove the bed out of that house and take it...


so hmmmm does not sound like a burglary or assault warrant to me... why take the person's bed over that.  ????

Ask the eyewitness who "them" is and were they wearing white space suits simular to the ones worn during the search last weekend at the Golder residence?  If not, then I will not let that that distract me.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 05:07:51 PM

<snipped for space>

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

DD, Am glad you are taking another look at MB.  I too have my concerns about MB, several as you have mentioned in this post.  Ever since reading (somewhere) that MB supposedly does little but sit on her porch, and etc.  --- combined with her statement that 'Lindsey is right under her nose' -- I do have to wonder if LE has actually searched UNDER the Baum's porch?????  Inside a basement, if they have one?  And etc.  Given what 'seems to' have been lies from MB, (her car running/not running etc), clear back from the beginning, why search anywhere elsewhere until the Baum property itself has been searched and cleared.  And if LE did search the property, did they give it a glance as they ran thru, or did they actually conduct a very thorough search, corner to corner, top to bottom, and then some. 

I just want them to move MB off that porch and look under it!!! 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
As for other kids playing in the area, I have heard there were. Again though, its summer time, not dark out yet, it’s a nightly occurance for kids to be out, the overall feeling of the community was it was safe to do so.  And there were teens which are kids in my mind still. Some of whom were questioned.

As for mb’s lack of showing emotion in public, this has been addressed before by myself. There are several interviews in which she tears up but for the most part she does it behind closed doors. I cant totally explain it except that there have been numerous moms who go on tv all boohooing only to have been guilty of the crime and she wasn’t going to do that. Again that is why she volunteered for the poly because she wants her daughter found.  But based on  opinions thus far, if she had been super emotional someone would of made comments about that too. No matter what she does its too this or not enough that. I do know that MB wont let her mind go to the dark place of Lindsey being gone. I am thinking that if my child was gone I wouldn’t want to think that either.  The statistics are just statistics and until LB is found she cant be one. So chances don’t look good she is still alive based on other cases but we don’t know for sure!  I told MB she needs to prepare for the worst as it could be the case but I don’t think she has. I also said that I hope that if the worst is what happened, meaning LJ is dead, then I hope to god that it’s a best worst case scenario meaning her body is found and soon. I assume the unknown is far worse than getting closure by death. Know what I mean?

And backtracking to my last post and my convo with MB when I was mad at what she said and vice versa,, it ties into the family thing. She wasn’t speakin to certain members because she felt they were going behind her back to help SB try to get JB which was not the case. SB isn’t the most tactful person and you all know about his lack of involvement the past 3 years so now was not the time for him to try to get JB. She also thought that because I had been in contact with him that I was assisting him as well.  I said JB should stay else where for a while but with SB was definitely NOT the place for him to be.  JB does get teased by the kids all around town. They like to instigate things, and antagonize him to get a reaction. Then to add the fact that his sister is missing, I imagined very horrible things goin on at school and felt the best thing would be for JB to be away from the area until LJ is found. MB said so far he hasn’t been teased at school.  I get that kids are terrible and I am not sure why JB is such an easy mark but no wonder why he is partly how he is.

MM I think you made a good suggestion about JB going somewhere for a while.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
I have a question, if LE believed MB had any connection to this crime do you think they would allow Josh to live there? I would guess they would remove him from the home, place him in foster care until after the investigation.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 05:32:14 PM
I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Is this the pool with the stove next to it as a diving board?
LOL!
Yup  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 05:35:15 PM
MM said
As for other kids playing in the area, I have heard there were. Again though, its summer time, not dark out yet, it’s a nightly occurance for kids to be out, the overall feeling of the community was it was safe to do so.  And there were teens which are kids in my mind still. Some of whom were questioned.

Now this is interesting isn't it? Why Lindsey? Was someone specifically following her, think Jaycee dugar? There were other children around...This is also sort of "gutsy" isn't it? To take a child off the street when others are around and can possibly see? I was thinking she was all alone...

So if people were on the street around maple so the mayor saw them is it safe to assume there where other children/people closer to LB's house, the gas station, the other streets? She must have disappeared off that spot because if she was not the only person out that night, someone would have seen her. Is this how they determined the last person to see her was the woman in the car? I always wondered about that, how they knew. I assumed it was because no one else was around, but maybe they questioned other people hanging out on the street that night.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 05:36:32 PM
I think this may be the pool we have been discussing this morning.  It does not appear to be covered but it is hard to tell.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 05:37:37 PM
I would like to know who Tab and Libby are. Didn't I read something about Libby in the search warrants?
Yup,Tab and Libby Nelson.Libby works at the BeeHive,her daughter is supposedly friends with Lindsey.
Lindsey was swimming at their house the Thursday and Friday before she went missing.



Is this the girl who was being so awful to Lindsey and then they "made up"?
I'm not sure Sebastian,I've read the girl is Libby and Tab's neice and the search warrant states the girl is Libby's daughter.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 05:38:52 PM
Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 03, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
Hi DD,  This shows the cell towers that service the McCleary area.  I don't know how current this map is:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS, (http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 05:39:38 PM
Just a thought about the porno mags.  If the LE found old playboy mags as we were told.  Why put them in a evidence bag?  Then again if they were "child" type, who would they arrest if nobody would admit it was theirs(I believe 4 adults live there).  You know "it was left by a friend or some transient".  Just a possibility.  Seems like a lot we do not know for sure.  shortcake
Also if there is 4 adults living there and Kona has a hubby and 2 sons,one of which is in the Army,who is the 4th adult that LE spoke to when they did the search?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 05:39:59 PM
Homeowner Posts List Of Items Seized In McCleary Search


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A McCleary homeowner angry over a search for evidence in a missing girl case has posted a list of items police took from the home.

Police acknowledged that the search that began Friday found no evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend's house.

UNCUT: Police Team Searches McCleary Property  http://www.kirotv.com/video/21181751/index.html

The homeowner posted the documents on a forum, http://truecrime.forums-free.com/the-evidence-receipts-t1381.html? ,  detailing what police removed from the house and explaining where each item came from.

The documents show police took clothes, film, computer equipment, condoms and a "bag with green vegetation" that the homeowner described as "weed."

The homeowner told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

A relative of the man who was the focus of the search said that "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

The homeowner has contacted a lawyer and is considering a lawsuit.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21181508/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 03, 2009, 05:40:38 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/millairbmp.jpg)



photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 03, 2009, 05:42:50 PM
I am not sure if LE can be sued, they are supposed to investigate, but I wonder if it is proven people lied to the police if they can not only be sued but held legally accountable. Seems they would be charged with something. What a mess this is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 05:44:03 PM
Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.

No not at all.  I do not think at this point that she went there to go swimming, though anything is possible.  I do have a hard time believing that the pool was used as a source for household water however, even if it is just for grey water.  That is a lot of gallons of water to flush your toilets with. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 05:44:34 PM
I think this may be the pool we have been discussing this morning.  It does not appear to be covered but it is hard to tell.
Interesting,it also doesn't look like there is any water in it and look at all those modes of transportation.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 06:16:39 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
Hi DD,  This shows the cell towers that service the McCleary area.  I don't know how current this map is:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS, (http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,)



thanks scandi, will take a look... cell towers is not my best thing to research, just never did too much of it but will see if I can figure it out some. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/millairbmp.jpg)



photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Thank you madibabe.  Is this a different search then the one scheduled for today with Oprah's people possibly being there?  Can someone please confirm if Feeser was the creek guy?  TIA.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 06:25:00 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

POI website. 
Thank-you

This must be a different myspace for him. http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe     Please excuse the profanity. It is his name on myspace.

No, it was not Dales appearence I was referring to, it is his myspace name.  shortcake
There must be more that I'm not seeing, I can't log in to see more, because I don't have a password, so I take it there is something disturbing that I'm not seeing?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I have been inside that myspace there is nothing in there at all whichi is disturbing that I saw.  He likes to work on his car seems pretty much to be what he is all about.  His screen name is not one I would choose to have but it just falls in line with today's music, and if you have ever listened to that type of music(which you probably have not), then it's just something people his age say.  I don't find it sinister or telling. google any rap song and you will find the lyrics are full of these sayings.  It just the times and the music and sad to say but in today's music and culture for many kids, this seems "cool".  I believe he was just trying to "act cool", which I would not choose a name like that but when I was young in the 60's I think of all the people who said stuff (which I won't even type), was just as bad if not worse.  We said it, we embroidered it on our clothing, etc.  Back then that was pretty shocking to our parents as well.  I did it, I thought it was the thing that was "IN", I think in this day and age our young people are just listen to the music of today and they are using those phrases to try to "be cool".  ugh, yes; sinister; no. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the myspace stuff, DD.  My youngest son is near the same age as DG.  And while he and his older brothers (mid to late 20s) do listen to some of that same music, knowing the lyrics and such, as do some of their friends, this group of young adults don't have stuff like that on their myspaces, (of those that have myspaces, my sons don't).  So I'm not thinking the type of thing on DGs myspace can be so generically explained away as being 'just the times' etc.  There is a disturbing element that goes thru DGs whole myspace page, including his choice of bumper stickers, what his nic is, etc.  IMO, all of it together reflect *his* own attitude in life and such.  And that is what I find so disturbing.  I wouldn't lump all of it together as simply being what others his age are into.  Perhaps some his age, yes, but certainly not the signs of the times, as if it's all so very acceptable.  It's not acceptable even by some in that age group.  IMO.  Music, yes, that is listened to by some in that age group.  If it can be called music, lol.     

It's not only coming from my perspective, fuddy-duddy at 55 years old.  I had my two younger sons take a look at that page, for their perspectives.  Middle son (into the music) said 'damn!', went away shaking his head.  I asked youngest son (into the cars) if what is on that page was typical for their age group, and he looked at me saying, 'uhhhh no mom'.  Well I didn't think so, but had to check. 

I understand how very much you believe what you do about DG, and I want to give him every benefit of the doubt, until/unless what is being said etc are proven to be lies and rumors or truth.  It's becoming very hard to do so tho, because there sure seems to be a lot stacking up against him.  And I have to wonder, if this truly is a frameup, why would SO MANY seem to be lying to LE, about so much?  Or is LE, the FBI, the judge, as well as DGs supervisor at the youth camp, be in on the frameup as well?  And if so... then why???  What kind of huge thing would they actually be covering for?  For these professionals to be risking their very careers?  I can understand lies/rumors/coverups etc from several regular folks, parents, friends of the family, and family members themselves, sure.  But not all the others combined.  C'mon!!!! 

Or what am I missing then?     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 06:26:00 PM
Am I reading the search warrant correctly where it states that when interviewed, dale says on the night of Lindsey's disappearance, he was home at 9pm then passed out?? 

I thought he had an alibi?

Fortunately ... there were witness sightings of this passed out young man ...

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html

Ya Ya,  He was on his cellie at 9:26.  And his car was witnessed being driven by the Beehive at about 10 pm.   The affidavit states the time of her going missing between 9:15 and 10 pm.  So his car has been placed at the same place and within the same time frame where she was last seen.  The pings from his cell might well place him there at that time as well.

One thing still unknown are the forensic results from some items taken.  That would include anything gleaned from electronics as in computers or cell phone findings.  IMO


One thing I question is the location of the Beehive acc to the affidavit.  I states it is between 5th and 6th on Maple and I called the dispatcher in GHC the other nite and she said it is between 6th and 7th  ???

now that is something I would really like to see come out...the cell phone pings.  but where is the tower, do they have more than one, and how far is maple from his house.  would the pings be able to establish any difference if his phone was on maple or where he was with his alibi?  mccleary is small, where are the towers and how many is a good place to start.  now this I would like to know and I believe this is something really valid to look at. 
Hi DD,  This shows the cell towers that service the McCleary area.  I don't know how current this map is:

http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS, (http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/map_brand_mm2.php?brandID=CELL_TOWERS&addr=MCCLEARY,%20WA&tlist=CELL_TOWERS,)



thanks scandi, will take a look... cell towers is not my best thing to research, just never did too much of it but will see if I can figure it out some. 
Here is a list of all the Elma Towers, I will see if I can find more around MCleary:

Full list of 8 FCC Registered Antenna Towers in Elma, WA:
ROBERT S SNOW, Pine +2nd Street (Lat: 47.005083 Lon: -123.402361), Type: Tower, Structure height: 15.2 m, Overall height: 15.2 m, , Licensee ID: L00144848
Registrant: Public Utility Dist. #1of Grays Harbor County, Aberdeen, WA 98520,

ROBERT S SNOW, Minot Peak 7 Miles South Of Elma Wa. (Lat: 46.891500 Lon: -123.416278), Type: Tower, Structure height: 21.3 m, Overall height: 21.3 m, , Licensee ID: L00144848
Registrant: Public Utility Dist. #1of Grays Harbor County, Aberdeen, WA 98520, Phone:

Lottie L Thompson, 510 Workman Creek Road (Elma #43230) (Lat: 46.971556 Lon: -123.439028), Type: Tower, Structure height: 61.6 m, Overall height: 63.4 m
Registrant: American Towers, Inc., 1101 Perimeter Drive, Schaumburg, IL 60173, Phone:

Robert Leedham, Rr Ave & #rd St (Lat: 47.007583 Lon: -123.404333), Type: Tower, Structure height: 27.4 m, Overall height: 33.5 m
Registrant: The Burlington Northern And Santa Fe Railway Co, 4515 Kansas Avenue, Kansas City, KS 66106-1199, Phone:

Ross Read, E End Of Tower Boulevard, Concrete Cooling Tower #3 (Lat: 46.960833 Lon: -123.463056), Type: Building, Structure height: 152.4 m, Overall height: 161.5 m
Registrant: Radio Licensing Services, Milwaukie, OR 97269-2161, Phone:

Ross Read, W End Of Tower Boulevard, Concrete Cooling Tower #5 (Lat: 46.959167 Lon: -123.474444), Type: Building, Structure height: 152.4 m, Overall height: 161.5 m
Registrant: Radio Licensing Services, Milwaukie, OR 97269-2161,


PETER M CONNOLLY, 2.5 Mi Se (Lat: 46.986111 Lon: -123.358056), Type: Tower, Structure height: 115.8 m, Overall height: 118.9 m
Registrant: Holland & Knight LLP, 2099 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Sui, Washington, DC 20006, Phone:


501 N. 2nd Street (Lat: 47.003333 Lon: -123.403333), Type: Tower, Structure height: 24.3 m, Overall height: 24.3 m
Registrant: Puget Sound And Pacific Railroad, 501 North 2nd Street, Elma, WA 98541, Phone:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/millairbmp.jpg)



photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Thank you madibabe.  Is this a different search then the one scheduled for today with Oprah's people possibly being there?  Can someone please confirm if Feeser was the creek guy?  TIA.

Thanks Madibabe!
It is good to know that LE is still following up other leads! Do you know how many people showed up to search today?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 03, 2009, 06:28:53 PM
Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.

No not at all.  I do not think at this point that she went there to go swimming, though anything is possible.  I do have a hard time believing that the pool was used as a source for household water however, even if it is just for grey water.  That is a lot of gallons of water to flush your toilets with. 


let me try to explain the dry well situation in mccleary.  they are not the only one whose wells go dry around there.  people have hauled water there for years.  some use to use the local firetruck to haul their water, people do this.  it is not just kona who does it. 

it si not that uncommon.  really


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 06:30:06 PM
Just a thought about the porno mags.  If the LE found old playboy mags as we were told.  Why put them in a evidence bag?  Then again if they were "child" type, who would they arrest if nobody would admit it was theirs(I believe 4 adults live there).  You know "it was left by a friend or some transient".  Just a possibility.  Seems like a lot we do not know for sure.  shortcake
Also if there is 4 adults living there and Kona has a hubby and 2 sons,one of which is in the Army,who is the 4th adult that LE spoke to when they did the search?
I don't know if they talked to anybody about the mags.  Just a thought, but his brother just recently went into the Army, so it could be his couldn't it?  I believe that is (4) adults living there recently.  I will have to reaserch, but I believe someone indicated he just went in(not sure).  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
Wyks, great post.  ::MonkeyCool::  Northern Rose thanks for the info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 06:36:51 PM
Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.

No not at all.  I do not think at this point that she went there to go swimming, though anything is possible.  I do have a hard time believing that the pool was used as a source for household water however, even if it is just for grey water.  That is a lot of gallons of water to flush your toilets with. 


let me try to explain the dry well situation in mccleary.  they are not the only one whose wells go dry around there.  people have hauled water there for years.  some use to use the local firetruck to haul their water, people do this.  it is not just kona who does it. 

it si not that uncommon.  really

Hi DD,
I live in a rural area too. Luckily we are on public water, but a lot of people here are on well water ONLY! I cannot even tell you how many times the wells go dry! One family that we know did not have ANY water for months!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
Just a thought about the porno mags.  If the LE found old playboy mags as we were told.  Why put them in a evidence bag?  Then again if they were "child" type, who would they arrest if nobody would admit it was theirs(I believe 4 adults live there).  You know "it was left by a friend or some transient".  Just a possibility.  Seems like a lot we do not know for sure.  shortcake
Also if there is 4 adults living there and Kona has a hubby and 2 sons,one of which is in the Army,who is the 4th adult that LE spoke to when they did the search?
I don't know if they talked to anybody about the mags.  Just a thought, but his brother just recently went into the Army, so it could be his couldn't it?  I believe that is (4) adults living there recently.  I will have to reaserch, but I believe someone indicated he just went in(not sure).  shortcake
It was stated somewhere that Dale's younger brother went into the service directly after Lindsey disappeared but someone(TT?Tena,Kona?)posted on Dale's comments today(supposedly,I haven't read it yet)that Dale's brother went into the service in January.
So I don't know.....if he is gone,again,who is the 4th adult living there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 06:46:37 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, am trying to catch up, so dunno if this has been pointed out yet or not.  From what I remember in the search warrant, it was said that DG was concerned about someone with a silver car like his, cruising past the Beehive, and thought that person might be wanting to steal parts from his car.  Not so sure it was mentioned in the search warrant that the silver car was driven by MB..  Or was it, and I missed that?   

And then the matter about MB being chased by someone, late at night. 

Could these be two different cars?  A silver car just like DGs, and MBs car? 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 06:48:01 PM
Nor rose are you thinking maybe lindsey went there to go swimming? I am not quite following you and want to know what your thinking about this pool. I am not connecting to the dots.

No not at all.  I do not think at this point that she went there to go swimming, though anything is possible.  I do have a hard time believing that the pool was used as a source for household water however, even if it is just for grey water.  That is a lot of gallons of water to flush your toilets with. 


let me try to explain the dry well situation in mccleary.  they are not the only one whose wells go dry around there.  people have hauled water there for years.  some use to use the local firetruck to haul their water, people do this.  it is not just kona who does it. 

it si not that uncommon.  really

I understand dry wells, I also understand hauling in water.  Water kept in an open pool for months would not be drinkable, nor safe to used for cooking without treatment for algae, larvae, all kinds of contaminants.  If you want to water you trees, garden or use it to flush toilets with great.  It was mentioned the pool was not used for swimming, but for water storage for the summer. I was just pointing out that the quality of water would be no better than grey water and that is a very large quantity of grey water.  If they have a special filtration system set up so that it is consumable then great, if not, then great.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 06:52:19 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, am trying to catch up, so dunno if this has been pointed out yet or not.  From what I remember in the search warrant, it was said that DG was concerned about someone with a silver car like his, cruising past the Beehive, and thought that person might be wanting to steal parts from his car.  Not so sure it was mentioned in the search warrant that the silver car was driven by MB..  Or was it, and I missed that?   

And then the matter about MB being chased by someone, late at night. 

Could these be two different cars?  A silver car just like DGs, and MBs car? 

 
I think you are correct about that Wyks.
From the search warrant(the last line has me confused):


On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.

Investigators interviewed a co-worker of Golder’s. She said that on two separate nights near the end of July, 2009 Golder told her that a Silver Honda Del Sol was cruising around the Beehive. Golder pointed it out to her one night and said he thought the occupants of the silver Honda were going to steel parts from his Del Sol.
Bryson claimed that Golder tried to get a license number but could not. She said the next night the vehicle was back and Golder left work to follow it. She said he told her that he called the police about it. He did not tell her he was following Melissa Baum or that the police stopped him.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 06:52:42 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, am trying to catch up, so dunno if this has been pointed out yet or not.  From what I remember in the search warrant, it was said that DG was concerned about someone with a silver car like his, cruising past the Beehive, and thought that person might be wanting to steal parts from his car.  Not so sure it was mentioned in the search warrant that the silver car was driven by MB..  Or was it, and I missed that?   

And then the matter about MB being chased by someone, late at night. 

Could these be two different cars?  A silver car just like DGs, and MBs car? 

 

MB's car has a huge sign on the side of it IIRC from an image I saw that is a poster for Lindsey.  It would be pretty hard not to notice that unless it was before she put the sign on.  It is also a Nissan  if I am not mistaken. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 07:09:01 PM
Judge Stephen Brown
 
Judge Stephen Brown is a Judge of Division III of the Washington State Court of Appeals. He resides in Yakima County where he began practicing law in 1973. By appointment, he became Selah Municipal Judge in 1982, a Yakima County Superior Court Commissioner in 1983, and a Superior Court Judge in 1988. Judge Brown was elected to the Court of Appeals in 1996 and began service in 1997.

Judge Brown has taught various criminal and civil law subjects for lawyers, the courts, the public, and the State Judicial College. His special interest is juvenile justice. He helped lead the drive to erect the Yakima County Juvenile Justice Center. Before leaving the Superior Court for the Court of Appeals he organized and implemented a model truancy program with the aid of county school superintendents.

He is currently vice-chair of the State Board for Court Education. Judge Brown has served on the Washington State Commission on Judicial Conduct, the Governor’s Juvenile Justice Advisory Committee, and a wide range of judicial committees.

 

   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 07:10:22 PM

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.

I certainly don't question everything you have said and researched, DD.  And dunno that 'everyone' else is either.  I can only speak for myself tho.  I do appreciate what you've researched and your findings.  I'd like to hear more of what you've actually found, rather than your giving a reference to that tho.  (and I do realize that some/much of what you say you already have, cannot be shared yet, that's understandable). 

For example, you've posted:

"It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.

I'm curious how you know this info, know it to be BS??  Have you spoken directly to the supervisor who supposedly said to the investigator/s (who then put that info in the sw) that she did suspend DG from the youth camp, for 2 weeks.  Has that supervisor said she never said that to the investigator/s? 

That's just one example of why some might be upset with you.  I simply am curious and would like to know more about why you call it "all BS".  Would like to see where you got that info, and how you come to that conclusion. 

Just as when 'others' at other forums say what you have is BS, but have only read them saying that.  Haven't read (seen) anything that they have backing up their claims.  Which is why I tend to ignore them and listen to what you are and have been saying. 

You want for folks to believe you, and I'm just asking if you can show us a bit more about what you are saying, where you get that info (even if all you can say is from a reliable source, etc), and so on. 

I hope this comes across to you in the way I mean for it to, with sincerely trying to understand the situation and curious to know more about it... rather than being harsh and ugly and accusatory, etc.  Not trying to do that at all. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 07:16:20 PM

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.

I certainly don't question everything you have said and researched, DD.  And dunno that 'everyone' else is either.  I can only speak for myself tho.  I do appreciate what you've researched and your findings.  I'd like to hear more of what you've actually found, rather than your giving a reference to that tho.  (and I do realize that some/much of what you say you already have, cannot be shared yet, that's understandable). 

For example, you've posted:

"It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.

I'm curious how you know this info, know it to be BS??  Have you spoken directly to the supervisor who supposedly said to the investigator/s (who then put that info in the sw) that she did suspend DG from the youth camp, for 2 weeks.  Has that supervisor said she never said that to the investigator/s? 

That's just one example of why some might be upset with you.  I simply am curious and would like to know more about why you call it "all BS".  Would like to see where you got that info, and how you come to that conclusion. 

Just as when 'others' at other forums say what you have is BS, but have only read them saying that.  Haven't read (seen) anything that they have backing up their claims.  Which is why I tend to ignore them and listen to what you are and have been saying. 

You want for folks to believe you, and I'm just asking if you can show us a bit more about what you are saying, where you get that info (even if all you can say is from a reliable source, etc), and so on. 

I hope this comes across to you in the way I mean for it to, with sincerely trying to understand the situation and curious to know more about it... rather than being harsh and ugly and accusatory, etc.  Not trying to do that at all. 
 

I do not see anyone here being upset.  I do see many with a common goal that Lindsey needs to come home and soon.  Asking questions should not be misinterpreted as anything more than wanting things clarified or more information to rule out things.  We all want Lindsey home.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 07:22:41 PM

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.

I certainly don't question everything you have said and researched, DD.  And dunno that 'everyone' else is either.  I can only speak for myself tho.  I do appreciate what you've researched and your findings.  I'd like to hear more of what you've actually found, rather than your giving a reference to that tho.  (and I do realize that some/much of what you say you already have, cannot be shared yet, that's understandable). 

For example, you've posted:

"It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.

I'm curious how you know this info, know it to be BS??  Have you spoken directly to the supervisor who supposedly said to the investigator/s (who then put that info in the sw) that she did suspend DG from the youth camp, for 2 weeks.  Has that supervisor said she never said that to the investigator/s? 

That's just one example of why some might be upset with you.  I simply am curious and would like to know more about why you call it "all BS".  Would like to see where you got that info, and how you come to that conclusion. 

Just as when 'others' at other forums say what you have is BS, but have only read them saying that.  Haven't read (seen) anything that they have backing up their claims.  Which is why I tend to ignore them and listen to what you are and have been saying. 

You want for folks to believe you, and I'm just asking if you can show us a bit more about what you are saying, where you get that info (even if all you can say is from a reliable source, etc), and so on. 

I hope this comes across to you in the way I mean for it to, with sincerely trying to understand the situation and curious to know more about it... rather than being harsh and ugly and accusatory, etc.  Not trying to do that at all. 
 

I do not see anyone here being upset.  I do see many with a common goal that Lindsey needs to come home and soon.  Asking questions should not be misinterpreted as anything more than wanting things clarified or more information to rule out things.  We all want Lindsey home.   ::MonkeyAngel::
That is exactly right.When I ask questions it's only to try and understand and come away with some truths.
It is all about Lindsey IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 07:25:26 PM

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.

I certainly don't question everything you have said and researched, DD.  And dunno that 'everyone' else is either.  I can only speak for myself tho.  I do appreciate what you've researched and your findings.  I'd like to hear more of what you've actually found, rather than your giving a reference to that tho.  (and I do realize that some/much of what you say you already have, cannot be shared yet, that's understandable). 

For example, you've posted:

"It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.

I'm curious how you know this info, know it to be BS??  Have you spoken directly to the supervisor who supposedly said to the investigator/s (who then put that info in the sw) that she did suspend DG from the youth camp, for 2 weeks.  Has that supervisor said she never said that to the investigator/s? 

That's just one example of why some might be upset with you.  I simply am curious and would like to know more about why you call it "all BS".  Would like to see where you got that info, and how you come to that conclusion. 

Just as when 'others' at other forums say what you have is BS, but have only read them saying that.  Haven't read (seen) anything that they have backing up their claims.  Which is why I tend to ignore them and listen to what you are and have been saying. 

You want for folks to believe you, and I'm just asking if you can show us a bit more about what you are saying, where you get that info (even if all you can say is from a reliable source, etc), and so on. 

I hope this comes across to you in the way I mean for it to, with sincerely trying to understand the situation and curious to know more about it... rather than being harsh and ugly and accusatory, etc.  Not trying to do that at all. 
 

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 07:29:38 PM
snipped from Karma's post (thanks Karma and Momtective)...

Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

I have been trying to decide who Ralke is referring to......?
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused:: He must be referring to Dale, right? Otherwise I haven't a clue.

From the context in the search warrant affidavit where that statement came from, yep my guess was that Ralke was referring to DG.  Curious to know why that would be his viewpoint and how he arrived at that conclusion.  (and of course, if Ralke stands by his words, as brought out in the way it was in the search warrant affidavit). 





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 07:35:28 PM
Hi DD,
So, when you offered to set up a fund for a private investigator, Mom Baum was all for it? Instead of thinking that a private investigator could be helpful in locating her missing daughter, she was just interested in finding information on her Dad Baum? That is bizarre at best! I went back and found the information that I was looking for with regards to Mom Baums' car. This was a snippet from JennO from another board.

MBs car runs and does get her from point A to point B but the heater fan is going out. It decides when it wants to run. I talked to my husband and he said it could be an easy fix. So we will get a hold of MB (maybe during the next search) and see what can be done. She's going to need heat here pretty soon. Fall is sneaking up on us.
catching up but i just gotta say something.  #1 i start my car with a screwdriver. we have one good car and then 'mine'  the ignition went out one (you would put the key in but it wouldn't trun) day when it was the only car we had at the time so i had my neighbors ex-con cousin pop the ignition for me.  in essence he helped me steal my own car.  (hey i bought it for $600 its ugly and heaven forbid i get pulled over an have to explain)  #2 i have no engine/heater fan in said car as well.  all this means is that the car has to move.  it cannot idle (esp in the summer) or it will overheat and blow the engine.  so at long red lights i break out the ole screwdriver and just turn it off.  light turns green, i start the car.  the point of this is iirc correctly kk husband drives for a living.  he should have known how to fix this.  now im back to catching up ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 07:36:14 PM
I have been wonder who TM is.  Some of the posts this morning referenced TM.

I just figured it out.  It is me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 07:49:28 PM
Sorry everyone, but me thinks it is time for me to sit in the rafters for a while.  What is the real truth.  Who knows?  Right now I am beginning to believe the confiscated dildo may very well belong to Tena.  Only logical answer.  I am so confused.  I do believe all this chatter is moving the ball forward and that is good.  Keep it up and I will be back.  shortcake

dildo?

Janet
LE took a vibrator when they searched the Golder's home  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't know it could belong to Tena, Dale's girlfriend, or even it could be Dales  ::MonkeyConfused::

I get it!

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Something akin to flip flops that used to be called thongs.

While on holidays this summer ... I approached the young man behind the front desk of the hotel we were staying at and ... inquired if my missing thongs had been turned in ... missing thongs that I thought I had left beside the pool.

I immediately realized I had said the wrong thing when I saw the shocked/ confused expression on the kid's face.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
::MonkeyLaugh::
still catching up


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Have a good night you all.

Praying for you Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 07:53:41 PM
I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.

JB was questioned by LE a couple different times the first few days. I have never suspected it was him as he cant keep a secret to save his life and he is terrible at trying to lie. He has been that way since he was a little boy.  Which also leads into MB doing it.  I have NEVER once said I thought she did it or that she was covering for JB. JB did go home after R told him to.  Which again is something he has felt guilty for and talked about openly. Fortunately he has a good councelor that spends time with him.

As for MB having bi-polar issues, she has been on medication and has that under control. I did say ‘she must be off her meds’ to DD  based on something she said to me which made me mad. Which ties into what I said the other day (since everyone likes to try to tie everything together) when someone brought up  my comment about getting MB away from KK in which I explained I went over to talk to MB in a matter that didn’t concern KK. Anyways, MB said she isn’t off her meds, or missing doses, or anything like that, just that she was angry at me and reacted by saying the harsh words.


Gonna take forever to get caught up and address things the more people bring thigns up.. so bear with me… still have customers

R?  wasn't there a cook named rodger somewhere in this mess...the window guy?
(still catching up)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 08:08:20 PM
Good night Karma  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 08:09:21 PM
Has anyone heard how the search went today?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 08:10:33 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:11:12 PM
finally caught up...about the del sol...iirc honda does not make them anymore and being that they are a sports car imo parts may be hard to find. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:12:18 PM
I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.

JB was questioned by LE a couple different times the first few days. I have never suspected it was him as he cant keep a secret to save his life and he is terrible at trying to lie. He has been that way since he was a little boy.  Which also leads into MB doing it.  I have NEVER once said I thought she did it or that she was covering for JB. JB did go home after R told him to.  Which again is something he has felt guilty for and talked about openly. Fortunately he has a good councelor that spends time with him.

As for MB having bi-polar issues, she has been on medication and has that under control. I did say ‘she must be off her meds’ to DD  based on something she said to me which made me mad. Which ties into what I said the other day (since everyone likes to try to tie everything together) when someone brought up  my comment about getting MB away from KK in which I explained I went over to talk to MB in a matter that didn’t concern KK. Anyways, MB said she isn’t off her meds, or missing doses, or anything like that, just that she was angry at me and reacted by saying the harsh words.


Gonna take forever to get caught up and address things the more people bring thigns up.. so bear with me… still have customers

R?  wasn't there a cook named rodger somewhere in this mess...the window guy?
(still catching up)

oop she was talking about a woman ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
::MonkeyKiss:: gotta go look brb! ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 08:18:06 PM

it is 3 months later... I would think after 3 months someone might just fix their door handle?

Karma and all.  I believe all of you should research the guy if you so choose, I have no problem with anyone researching anyone... what I have a problem with is everyone getting upset at ME, because "I" don't want to waste MY time doing the research.  I'm not the ONLY researher by far.  No one is stopping anyone else from researching the guy, are they?  I might just in and respond when I know something it not correct... but so far I don't see anyone RESEARCHING the guy, it is all just saying he looks weird, or his myspace name is weird or this or that.  Please DIG and find something if it is there.  DIG DIG AND DIG... that is what research is.  If I see some LEGIT RESEARCH that makes me go HMMMM, I will be the first to check it out further, but I have already done that and I see nothing.  so for me to keep looking, is a waste, yet people have gotten furious at me because I can't dig up something on this guy.  sorry, there is NOTHING to find.

I certainly don't question everything you have said and researched, DD.  And dunno that 'everyone' else is either.  I can only speak for myself tho.  I do appreciate what you've researched and your findings.  I'd like to hear more of what you've actually found, rather than your giving a reference to that tho.  (and I do realize that some/much of what you say you already have, cannot be shared yet, that's understandable). 

For example, you've posted:

"It's going to come out that his employer NEVER SUSPENDED him from his job.  Wherever they got that information to put on that search warrant, it is all BS.  This will be cleared up.  The problem is, the things written on the search warrant as being told to them, most of those things were never stated by the people they warrant claims stated them.

I'm curious how you know this info, know it to be BS??  Have you spoken directly to the supervisor who supposedly said to the investigator/s (who then put that info in the sw) that she did suspend DG from the youth camp, for 2 weeks.  Has that supervisor said she never said that to the investigator/s? 

That's just one example of why some might be upset with you.  I simply am curious and would like to know more about why you call it "all BS".  Would like to see where you got that info, and how you come to that conclusion. 

Just as when 'others' at other forums say what you have is BS, but have only read them saying that.  Haven't read (seen) anything that they have backing up their claims.  Which is why I tend to ignore them and listen to what you are and have been saying. 

You want for folks to believe you, and I'm just asking if you can show us a bit more about what you are saying, where you get that info (even if all you can say is from a reliable source, etc), and so on. 

I hope this comes across to you in the way I mean for it to, with sincerely trying to understand the situation and curious to know more about it... rather than being harsh and ugly and accusatory, etc.  Not trying to do that at all. 
 

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

BUMP

Does anyone here no her relationship to the players in this case other than her son ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:22:53 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
HI, 

IM, I don't think she has a connection to anyone else in the scenario.  She started posting on the board, and she was a local, and she started assisting DD with checking various things out around McCleary.   Other than that, I don't know of anything.  She is a lifetime resident of the area I understand.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 08:30:03 PM
HI, 

IM, I don't think she has a connection to anyone else in the scenario.  She started posting on the board, and she was a local, and she started assisting DD with checking various things out around McCleary.   Other than that, I don't know of anything.  She is a lifetime resident of the area I understand.
Thanks AZS~I was just curious because from what I read in that affadavit/search warrant. I guess it's just me but I find it odd that she's connected to a potential POI, and posting on the same board, if it was from the beginning it would be easier to understand. Guess I better go back to just reading because it's so interconnected here with so many players posting   KK, et al





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 08:32:19 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry Mama, it was CBB that made you one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/mamacrazy.gif


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:34:48 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry Mama, it was CBB that made you one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/mamacrazy.gif
::MonkeyKiss:: O/T im gonna ask her to dress me up ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 08:46:23 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry Mama, it was CBB that made you one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/mamacrazy.gif
::MonkeyKiss:: O/T im gonna ask her to dress me up ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry Mama, it was CBB that made you one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/mamacrazy.gif
::MonkeyKiss:: O/T im gonna ask her to dress me up ::MonkeySlide::

I don't know what happened there.....it just posted itself before i could do anything.     

I was going to say that you can go to your profile and do it yourself!  Another learning opportunity!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:51:41 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry Mama, it was CBB that made you one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/mamacrazy.gif
::MonkeyKiss:: O/T im gonna ask her to dress me up ::MonkeySlide::

I don't know what happened there.....it just posted itself before i could do anything.     

I was going to say that you can go to your profile and do it yourself!  Another learning opportunity!!
thanks AZ i know how to do that...i just want to make sure cbb knows im using it
 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 08:55:25 PM
O/T Mama - Brandi has a a adorable Halloween avi for you in her thread.
O/T i can't find it  ::MonkeyWaa::

Sorry Mama, it was CBB that made you one

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/mamacrazy.gif
::MonkeyKiss:: O/T im gonna ask her to dress me up ::MonkeySlide::

I don't know what happened there.....it just posted itself before i could do anything.     

I was going to say that you can go to your profile and do it yourself!  Another learning opportunity!!
thanks AZ i know how to do that...i just want to make sure cbb knows im using it
 ::MonkeySlide::

But as soon as you change it, all of your old and new post pictures change, and she would know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 08:59:45 PM
ot so she would be ok wih me just doing it ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:01:57 PM
HI, 

IM, I don't think she has a connection to anyone else in the scenario.  She started posting on the board, and she was a local, and she started assisting DD with checking various things out around McCleary.   Other than that, I don't know of anything.  She is a lifetime resident of the area I understand.
Just got back from dinner, but I think that is the only connection. I guess her family has lived in the area for a long time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 03, 2009, 09:06:27 PM
ot so she would be ok wih me just doing it ::MonkeyAngel::


Yes.  Go ahead and do it and you could leave her a message in her avi thread.

Now, let's get back to our regular programing:  Find Lindsey!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 09:07:18 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, am trying to catch up, so dunno if this has been pointed out yet or not.  From what I remember in the search warrant, it was said that DG was concerned about someone with a silver car like his, cruising past the Beehive, and thought that person might be wanting to steal parts from his car.  Not so sure it was mentioned in the search warrant that the silver car was driven by MB..  Or was it, and I missed that?   

And then the matter about MB being chased by someone, late at night. 

Could these be two different cars?  A silver car just like DGs, and MBs car? 

 

MB's car has a huge sign on the side of it IIRC from an image I saw that is a poster for Lindsey.  It would be pretty hard not to notice that unless it was before she put the sign on.  It is also a Nissan  if I am not mistaken. 

Right.  So what we have is:

1. DG's car - a white Honda Del Sol

2. the car that supposedly was cruising the Beehive - a silver Honda Del Sol

3. MB's car
 
We have that on July 31st just after midnight, MB reported to police that she was being followed by a white car.  LEOs stopped the car and found that DG was driving it.  DG claimed he was at work at the Beehive when he saw MBs car around the Beehive Center.  He thought it was suspicious so followed MBs car, thinking it might be connected with Lindsey's disappearance.  DG did not report that to LE.  (info from affadavit). 

We have that on two seperate nights in a row near the end of July, DG told his co-worker at the Beehive Center that the silver car was cruising the Beehive, that he thought the occupants were going to steal parts from his white car.  On the second night, DG left work to follow the silver car.  DG's co-worker said that DG told her he had reported this to LE.  Yet DG's co-worker said that DG had not told him he was following MB or that the police had stopped him.   (info from affadavit).

Just some of the questions that come to mind:
Are we to suppose then that these are two seperate incidents, since MBs car evidently looks nothing like a silver Honda Del Sol?  And that DG had not only followed the silver car, but MBs car as well?  Did this happen on the same night?  What was it about MBs car or MB being near the Beehive Center on July 31st that supposedly made DG think it was connected to Lindsey's case?  Did DG suspect any and every car that drove near the Center in late July?  And why was he suspicious at the end of July?  Was he just as suspicious of cars/drivers at the end of June, when Lindsey actually went missing?  Why did DG tell his co-worker about the silver car, but not about MBs car, or that he was stopped?  Did MB recognize DG, and his car, as being the one that followed her?  If not, how did LE know who to stop and question, following her report?  Was DGs the only white car in town that matched the description, and/or was his car still nearby MBs car at the time of the report?  And for that matter, was DG in the habit of following other folks around town?  Was it DGs car, with DG driving, who supposedly was following those two girls, if that did indeed happen?   ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
ot so she would be ok wih me just doing it ::MonkeyAngel::


Yes.  Go ahead and do it and you could leave her a message in her avi thread.

Now, let's get back to our regular programing:  Find Lindsey!
oh your fast! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 09:09:36 PM
ot so she would be ok wih me just doing it ::MonkeyAngel::


Yes.  Go ahead and do it and you could leave her a message in her avi thread.

Now, let's get back to our regular programing:  Find Lindsey!
oh your fast! ::MonkeyJnBox::

i almost  :smt117
and yes this is about Lindsey! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 09:11:24 PM
I am also confused/concerned as to why Dale would be following MB late at night?  She was concerned enough to call the police.  This is not a healthy activity-this sends up my hinky meter. 
I believe in the search warrant it says Dale told a coworker(at BeeHive?)that this person(Melissa)was checking out his car so he thought they were going to try and steal his car for parts.Dale supposedly said this other car(Melissa's)was the same as his....a Del Sol car or something like that.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car.
Melissa's car is nothing like Dale's car at all. I've seen a picture of both, and I don't know much about cars, and even I can see that. Now with the topic of Melissa's car running or not. Perhaps it wasn't running the night Lindsey disappered, but months later she probably got it fixed. I'm not defending this Dale guy at all, but I will be honest when I say always in the back of my mind Lindsey's mother and her involvement has been there. I can't help my feelings when it comes to that, I pray she wasn't, but like everyone else I have no idea. That talk in the SW about what Dale did at 14 years old, is upsetting, very upsetting. I wonder if he tried anything like that with other girls? Again, with Melissa Baum, perhaps it is her way of dealing with things, it wouldn't be mine, but that doesn't matter. And if she had a lie detector test and LE seems ok with it, then I guess that is that for now  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry, am trying to catch up, so dunno if this has been pointed out yet or not.  From what I remember in the search warrant, it was said that DG was concerned about someone with a silver car like his, cruising past the Beehive, and thought that person might be wanting to steal parts from his car.  Not so sure it was mentioned in the search warrant that the silver car was driven by MB..  Or was it, and I missed that?   

And then the matter about MB being chased by someone, late at night. 

Could these be two different cars?  A silver car just like DGs, and MBs car? 

 

MB's car has a huge sign on the side of it IIRC from an image I saw that is a poster for Lindsey.  It would be pretty hard not to notice that unless it was before she put the sign on.  It is also a Nissan  if I am not mistaken. 

Right.  So what we have is:

1. DG's car - a white Honda Del Sol

2. the car that supposedly was cruising the Beehive - a silver Honda Del Sol

3. MB's car
 
We have that on July 31st just after midnight, MB reported to police that she was being followed by a white car.  LEOs stopped the car and found that DG was driving it.  DG claimed he was at work at the Beehive when he saw MBs car around the Beehive Center.  He thought it was suspicious so followed MBs car, thinking it might be connected with Lindsey's disappearance.  DG did not report that to LE.  (info from affadavit). 

We have that on two seperate nights in a row near the end of July, DG told his co-worker at the Beehive Center that the silver car was cruising the Beehive, that he thought the occupants were going to steal parts from his white car.  On the second night, DG left work to follow the silver car.  DG's co-worker said that DG told her he had reported this to LE.  Yet DG's co-worker said that DG had not told him he was following MB or that the police had stopped him.   (info from affadavit).

Just some of the questions that come to mind:
Are we to suppose then that these are two seperate incidents, since MBs car evidently looks nothing like a silver Honda Del Sol?  And that DG had not only followed the silver car, but MBs car as well?  Did this happen on the same night?  What was it about MBs car or MB being near the Beehive Center on July 31st that supposedly made DG think it was connected to Lindsey's case?  Did DG suspect any and every car that drove near the Center in late July?  And why was he suspicious at the end of July?  Was he just as suspicious of cars/drivers at the end of June, when Lindsey actually went missing?  Why did DG tell his co-worker about the silver car, but not about MBs car, or that he was stopped?  Did MB recognize DG, and his car, as being the one that followed her?  If not, how did LE know who to stop and question, following her report?  Was DGs the only white car in town that matched the description, and/or was his car still nearby MBs car at the time of the report?  And for that matter, was DG in the habit of following other folks around town?  Was it DGs car, with DG driving, who supposedly was following those two girls, if that did indeed happen?   ::MonkeyConfused::


::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Wyks......the whole DG thing has piqued my curiosity


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:11:57 PM
Wyks, great questions, I wish I knew, but at least on the one night, it was not a Honda, it was a Nissan an older model that Melissa drives, nothing like Dale's car at all. I think that was just an excuse that Dale was making.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:13:17 PM
Wyks a couple pages back DD explains it wasn't Dale's car that the two girls saw and was afraid of, it was a different man in a white car  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 09:16:11 PM
i hope im not talking out of turn but from what i understand, dd asked kona to help with this 'cause her family has lived there for a long time...really long, like generations.  and not to stick up for anybody, but this is just IMO if her son (kona's) was following mb maybe it was cause he knew what his mom was doing (helping) and decided to take it upon himself to sluth as well.  i don't know nor do i claim to.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 09:18:55 PM
ot so she would be ok wih me just doing it ::MonkeyAngel::


Sure they post them for us to find them and change clothes for the season!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 09:21:05 PM
i hope im not talking out of turn but from what i understand, dd asked kona to help with this 'cause her family has lived there for a long time...really long, like generations.  and not to stick up for anybody, but this is just IMO if her son (kona's) was following mb maybe it was cause he knew what his mom was doing (helping) and decided to take it upon himself to sluth as well.  i don't know nor do i claim to.  JMO

Me either, but there are times when police look heavily at those that show an extreme amount of interest in a case, and wasn't he the one who mentioned her being dismembered?
To me it's just odd they ended up searching his residence while his mom is sleuthing, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 09:24:43 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 09:30:33 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I see, although I thought LE had contacted her to speak to her son on the 29th and she told them he was asleep, so it seems as she would at least have some knowledge that they were wanting to ask him questions, then this is really disturbing from the SW:

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09


Just odd timing IMO......who knows anymore, all these cases and so much misdirection. Could be nothing, but...............maybe it is something
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
i hope im not talking out of turn but from what i understand, dd asked kona to help with this 'cause her family has lived there for a long time...really long, like generations.  and not to stick up for anybody, but this is just IMO if her son (kona's) was following mb maybe it was cause he knew what his mom was doing (helping) and decided to take it upon himself to sluth as well.  i don't know nor do i claim to.  JMO

Me either, but there are times when police look heavily at those that show an extreme amount of interest in a case, and wasn't he the one who mentioned her being dismembered?
To me it's just odd they ended up searching his residence while his mom is sleuthing, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyDevil2::
Me too, something isn't adding up. It's very hard for me to move past the incident that happened when he was 14  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
catching up but i just gotta say something.  #1 i start my car with a screwdriver. we have one good car and then 'mine'  the ignition went out one (you would put the key in but it wouldn't trun) day when it was the only car we had at the time so i had my neighbors ex-con cousin pop the ignition for me.  in essence he helped me steal my own car.  (hey i bought it for $600 its ugly and heaven forbid i get pulled over an have to explain)  #2 i have no engine/heater fan in said car as well.  all this means is that the car has to move.  it cannot idle (esp in the summer) or it will overheat and blow the engine.  so at long red lights i break out the ole screwdriver and just turn it off.  light turns green, i start the car.  the point of this is iirc correctly kk husband drives for a living.  he should have known how to fix this.  now im back to catching up ::MonkeyJnBox::

LOL mamacrazy!  Sounds like a car my son had for awhile.  Someone had side-slammed into the car, causing the driver door not to open and other things incl the ignition jammed.  The only way I could get into that car was from the passenger car and slide across, then hotwire it.  Folks thought I was nuts to drive it!  But ya know, when ya need milk and eggs.. chocolate... LOL  Finally the insurance came thru and paid for damages to be fixed.  But yeppers, it does happen out there in the real world. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
i just have to say, from what i understand:  if the police like you, they will find a way to get you.  so he has this attempt rape that was not reported but somehow still shows up, porn (imo means nothing) pot (imo means nothing).  oh and they also pulled him over for 'following' mb.  they could have drugg his but in a while ago.  charged him with this that and whatever and let it all go to court 'till they got what they were looking for.  his past seems shady but untill i can find out if he has gotten in trouble as an adult, im gonna sit on a rail with this one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 09:34:14 PM
i hope im not talking out of turn but from what i understand, dd asked kona to help with this 'cause her family has lived there for a long time...really long, like generations.  and not to stick up for anybody, but this is just IMO if her son (kona's) was following mb maybe it was cause he knew what his mom was doing (helping) and decided to take it upon himself to sluth as well.  i don't know nor do i claim to.  JMO

Me either, but there are times when police look heavily at those that show an extreme amount of interest in a case, and wasn't he the one who mentioned her being dismembered?
To me it's just odd they ended up searching his residence while his mom is sleuthing, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyDevil2::
Me too, something isn't adding up. It's very hard for me to move past the incident that happened when he was 14  ::MonkeyShocked::

Added to that if a child was missing and LE called to talk to him, I'd wake his azz up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 09:54:13 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::

Where was the search area today...sorry, I've been at football games for 3 nights and out of the loop.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 09:54:18 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::

I looked on the KOMO site too, and nothing.  I was hopeful there would be some picture or something. 

Did any of our local monkeys join in the search today?  If so.....why so quiet???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::

Where was the search area today...sorry, I've been at football games for 3 nights and out of the loop.

There was an earlier post with a map.  It is off of Elma/McCleary road


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 09:56:19 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/millairbmp.jpg)



photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Here it is IM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 09:56:19 PM
Wyks, great questions, I wish I knew, but at least on the one night, it was not a Honda, it was a Nissan an older model that Melissa drives, nothing like Dale's car at all. I think that was just an excuse that Dale was making.

Thanks NoRose.  Seems it could have been just an excuse that DG made, yep.  But in the affadavit, his co-worker says that he pointed it out to her one night, (the silver Del Sol), and that when it was back the next night, he left work to follow it.  Makes it sound in the affadavit as tho she knew this info, rather than just what he had told her.  Then she says that he told her that he called the police about it.  But that he didn't tell her he was following MB. 

It's crazy, the wording of the affadavit.  Can be confusing.  Heck, I might have the wrong ideas, just from the wording alone.  Because in the affadavit, we don't have quote marks from the actual person being referred to.  We don't know for exact sure who said what to whom, and when.  The whole entire thing could be slanted on a bias from the investigator/s, re-stating what they had been told.  And if it's anything like what the media does with a direct quote,  :gaah:   

Wonder if this is what DD was referring to when she said:
"Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search"  ?? 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:56:43 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::

Where was the search area today...sorry, I've been at football games for 3 nights and out of the loop.
Yes, there was a search today, but don't see anything about the turnout or anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 09:57:49 PM
Did Madibabe search today???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 09:58:24 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::

I looked on the KOMO site too, and nothing.  I was hopeful there would be some picture or something. 

Did any of our local monkeys join in the search today?  If so.....why so quiet???
Not only quiet about the search, but you would think there is a local on one of the forums that live in the town and know, or know something about Dale and his family, very odd.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
Wyks a couple pages back DD explains it wasn't Dale's car that the two girls saw and was afraid of, it was a different man in a white car  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks NoRose!   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:00:59 PM
Wyks, great questions, I wish I knew, but at least on the one night, it was not a Honda, it was a Nissan an older model that Melissa drives, nothing like Dale's car at all. I think that was just an excuse that Dale was making.

Thanks NoRose.  Seems it could have been just an excuse that DG made, yep.  But in the affadavit, his co-worker says that he pointed it out to her one night, (the silver Del Sol), and that when it was back the next night, he left work to follow it.  Makes it sound in the affadavit as tho she knew this info, rather than just what he had told her.  Then she says that he told her that he called the police about it.  But that he didn't tell her he was following MB. 

It's crazy, the wording of the affadavit.  Can be confusing.  Heck, I might have the wrong ideas, just from the wording alone.  Because in the affadavit, we don't have quote marks from the actual person being referred to.  We don't know for exact sure who said what to whom, and when.  The whole entire thing could be slanted on a bias from the investigator/s, re-stating what they had been told.  And if it's anything like what the media does with a direct quote,  :gaah:   

Wonder if this is what DD was referring to when she said:
"Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search"  ?? 



I noticed on another forum, someone was saying that a Honda Del Sol, is not a car you see many of, and that it seemed odd there would be another in the area, since I have no idea, I just have to wonder.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/millairbmp.jpg)



photo of mil where a search is being done today 2 law enforsment and two unmarked. Info was recieved by mill office.

ok here is a discription of the dots

Yellow dot is the woods behind the mill where they are searching.

Red dot is the home the Feesers used to own years ago.

White dot is the white house that came to my mind when Adam cambel spoke of whitehouse.

Blue dot is the Elma Mccleary road


Here it is IM

Thank you!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:02:13 PM
I'm not sure if any of the locals on this forum helped search today?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:03:32 PM
I'm trying to find out any info on the search today, but I haven't found a thing ::MonkeyNoNo::

I looked on the KOMO site too, and nothing.  I was hopeful there would be some picture or something. 

Did any of our local monkeys join in the search today?  If so.....why so quiet???
Not only quiet about the search, but you would think there is a local on one of the forums that live in the town and know, or know something about Dale and his family, very odd.

I agree, and also find it disturbing that he was working at a youth camp with his past.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:06:35 PM
Consider Ron and Don from the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) were involved in the search today ... I though there would be an update on their website or the KIRO 7 website.  Nothing.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 10:08:35 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I see, although I thought LE had contacted her to speak to her son on the 29th and she told them he was asleep, so it seems as she would at least have some knowledge that they were wanting to ask him questions, then this is really disturbing from the SW:

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09


Just odd timing IMO......who knows anymore, all these cases and so much misdirection. Could be nothing, but...............maybe it is something
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::




If all of this is true, than I believe that Ms. Calica knows more than she is saying. If you read all of the postings on her myspace page, it sounds like Golder was/is her boyfriend. Another friend on her myspace page even referenced that "Dale was not around for birthday sex". She also is all over his postings with cute little messages and such.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:09:01 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 10:10:41 PM
Consider Ron and Don from the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) were involved in the search today ... I though there would be an update on their website or the KIRO 7 website.  Nothing.

Janet

Hi Janet,
I too am waiting to hear about the search today. I hope they had a HUGE turnout!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:16:06 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 10:16:26 PM
Hello everybody.  I am back after reading some past posts since this LE search took place.  I now have a lot more questions, than answers.

1.  Was RSO Jessy D Braun ever researched?

2.  Was his place the second place that was served a SW?

2.  His address is listed as 100 block of Heslep Lane.  Is this right off
Foreman Road as someone reported?

3.  Did Jessy and Dale pal around together at all.

4.  Why was he not outed if he lives so close to town and is in the SO database?

5.  Does he look very young for his age as someone posted?

6.  Does he have some mental disabilities?

Now can anybody help with any above questions?  I am going back to the posted reasons why the LE gave for the search and see if any this can fill in the holes.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:16:57 PM
I think Ms. Calica knows more also  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:18:18 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::
::MonkeyJnBox::

I'm almost afraid to go there IYKWIM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
Consider Ron and Don from the Ron and Don Show (KIRO) were involved in the search today ... I though there would be an update on their website or the KIRO 7 website.  Nothing.

Janet

whoops, I thought they were from KOMO...no wonder there is nothing there!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
Hello everybody.  I am back after reading some past posts since this LE search took place.  I now have a lot more questions, than answers.

1.  Was RSO Jessy D Braun ever researched?

2.  Was his place the second place that was served a SW?

2.  His address is listed as 100 block of Heslep Lane.  Is this right off
Foreman Road as someone reported?

3.  Did Jessy and Dale pal around together at all.

4.  Why was he not outed if he lives so close to town and is in the SO database?

5.  Does he look very young for his age as someone posted?

6.  Does he have some mental disabilities?

Now can anybody help with any above questions?  I am going back to the posted reasons why the LE gave for the search and see if any this can fill in the holes.  shortcake
I know we discussed Jessy Braun, he is a minor and a SO, and I wondered if he was around when Lindsey disappeared, because he looks so young and she may not have hesitated to accept a ride from him. That would be something to find out if Jessy and Dale are friends. To me Jessy looks very young, and mental disabilities that I don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 03, 2009, 10:20:25 PM
I think Ms. Calica knows more also  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi No rose!
Did you read all of her comments from other friends on myspace? Dale comes up more than once. If, what was posted on the other site is true, she made it look like he was a mere acquaintance. I don't think so!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:25:23 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding the car being unusual.....I can say it's been many, many yrs since I've seen one and I lived in a city of a million plus before I moved and caome to think of it I can only recall seeing one on a lot for sale. Couldn't be too many in that area and I'd hope LE knows who owns every one of them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:27:05 PM
I think Ms. Calica knows more also  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi No rose!
Did you read all of her comments from other friends on myspace? Dale comes up more than once. If, what was posted on the other site is true, she made it look like he was a mere acquaintance. I don't think so!
I saw on another forum some of the comments, and I don't think she was just a mere acquaintance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:28:46 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding the car being unusual.....I can say it's been many, many yrs since I've seen one and I lived in a city of a million plus before I moved and caome to think of it I can only recall seeing one on a lot for sale. Couldn't be too many in that area and I'd hope LE knows who owns every one of them.
That's why I don't think Dale was being truthful, it was Melissa's car which is an older greyish/brownish Nissan. You just don't see many of those cars.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding the car being unusual.....I can say it's been many, many yrs since I've seen one and I lived in a city of a million plus before I moved and caome to think of it I can only recall seeing one on a lot for sale. Couldn't be too many in that area and I'd hope LE knows who owns every one of them.
That's why I don't think Dale was being truthful, it was Melissa's car which is an older greyish/brownish Nissan. You just don't see many of those cars.

This is her car......huge difference


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 10:36:10 PM
Hello everybody.  I am back after reading some past posts since this LE search took place.  I now have a lot more questions, than answers.

1.  Was RSO Jessy D Braun ever researched?

2.  Was his place the second place that was served a SW?

2.  His address is listed as 100 block of Heslep Lane.  Is this right off
Foreman Road as someone reported?

3.  Did Jessy and Dale pal around together at all.

4.  Why was he not outed if he lives so close to town and is in the SO database?

5.  Does he look very young for his age as someone posted?

6.  Does he have some mental disabilities?

Now can anybody help with any above questions?  I am going back to the posted reasons why the LE gave for the search and see if any this can fill in the holes.  shortcake
I know we discussed Jessy Braun, he is a minor and a SO, and I wondered if he was around when Lindsey disappeared, because he looks so young and she may not have hesitated to accept a ride from him. That would be something to find out if Jessy and Dale are friends. To me Jessy looks very young, and mental disabilities that I don't know.

Thanks NRCG, that helps.  If Dale and Jessy are neighbors, they may have a garden next to each other.  I know that is a streach, but it could fill in some holes.  Also I believe it was determined he was an adult, but he just looked very young.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 10:36:53 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I see, although I thought LE had contacted her to speak to her son on the 29th and she told them he was asleep, so it seems as she would at least have some knowledge that they were wanting to ask him questions, then this is really disturbing from the SW:

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09


Just odd timing IMO......who knows anymore, all these cases and so much misdirection. Could be nothing, but...............maybe it is something
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Hmmmm.. I see what you are saying, IM!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

I may have had some dots connected, but surely not these.  I just looked and found that Kona joined SM on Sept 1st!  I thought it was much earlier, for some reason.  And am not sure when she joined over yonder. 

But the very fact alone that her son was questioned on July 29th, a good month earlier than when she joined here, Kona was indeed aware of that... and didn't mention it to us, and apparently without mentioning it to others either...  ::MonkeyEek:: 


It does make me question Kona's motives/intentions for placing herself into the position of 'helping' with any part of the same investigation that she *knew* her son had already been questioned by LE about.  I had been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but not now, unfortunately.  This is all, IMO, just too freakin weird. 

Another thought.. LE questioned DG on July 29th.  I was wondering why he was following MB around on July 31, rather than showing that concern back in June when Lindsey went missing.  Was his seemingly sudden concern of MB being suspicious, and following her - a revenge thing on his part, for just having been questioned by LE about his actions/alibi etc back when Lindsey went missing?  Or as has been mentioned, could he just have been helping his mom to help in this case?  Unlikely, but am thinking, possible.   

And in light of all this, and what you said above, yessssssss, I agree, disturbing.  Hmmmm.   

Whatever... This needs looking into.  IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:38:05 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding the car being unusual.....I can say it's been many, many yrs since I've seen one and I lived in a city of a million plus before I moved and caome to think of it I can only recall seeing one on a lot for sale. Couldn't be too many in that area and I'd hope LE knows who owns every one of them.
That's why I don't think Dale was being truthful, it was Melissa's car which is an older greyish/brownish Nissan. You just don't see many of those cars.


ITA~here is that part of the SW, and I just posted pic's of the two cars:


On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:39:41 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I see, although I thought LE had contacted her to speak to her son on the 29th and she told them he was asleep, so it seems as she would at least have some knowledge that they were wanting to ask him questions, then this is really disturbing from the SW:

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09


Just odd timing IMO......who knows anymore, all these cases and so much misdirection. Could be nothing, but...............maybe it is something
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Hmmmm.. I see what you are saying, IM!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

I may have had some dots connected, but surely not these.  I just looked and found that Kona joined SM on Sept 1st!  I thought it was much earlier, for some reason.  And am not sure when she joined over yonder. 

But the very fact alone that her son was questioned on July 29th, a good month earlier than when she joined here, Kona was indeed aware of that... and didn't mention it to us, and apparently without mentioning it to others either...  ::MonkeyEek:: 


It does make me question Kona's motives/intentions for placing herself into the position of 'helping' with any part of the same investigation that she *knew* her son had already been questioned by LE about.  I had been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but not now, unfortunately.  This is all, IMO, just too freakin weird. 

Another thought.. LE questioned DG on July 29th.  I was wondering why he was following MB around on July 31, rather than showing that concern back in June when Lindsey went missing.  Was his seemingly sudden concern of MB being suspicious, and following her - a revenge thing on his part, for just having been questioned by LE about his actions/alibi etc back when Lindsey went missing?  Or as has been mentioned, could he just have been helping his mom to help in this case?  Unlikely, but am thinking, possible.   

And in light of all this, and what you said above, yessssssss, I agree, disturbing.  Hmmmm.   

Whatever... This needs looking into.  IMO


 ::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally someone understood my point!!!!!!! I know I have been screwy lately, but this just stuck out like a sore thumb ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:39:50 PM
All I know is that when a pic of Jessy went up on WS, it had to be taken down, because they said he was a minor  ::MonkeyConfused:: To me he looks about 15 but I'm thinking he is 17. And if the two of them live so close, I would imagine they at least know each other. There has been no mention about Dale's friends, except for the girl that is a girlfriend/acquaintence. Wonder if he had friends at either job?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 03, 2009, 10:42:58 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
Yes IM and Wyks, that is very interesting, and I also didn't know that is when Kona joined here, not I'm even more concerned.  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:45:11 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW
Thank-you. And I suppose one wouldn't want to say that their son was questioned by police. I just don't know, all seems odd.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:48:39 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW
Thank-you. And I suppose one wouldn't want to say that their son was questioned by police. I just don't know, all seems odd.

But if he were in LE's sights, wouldn't you possibly (like Cindy A etc) want to find out what is being tossed around in the forums, that would give an insight to the investigation and help spin things to your favor. Just tossing some ideas around in my head and they just don't add up...D@mn, sounds just like another case ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 03, 2009, 10:49:44 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW
Thank-you. And I suppose one wouldn't want to say that their son was questioned by police. I just don't know, all seems odd.

But if he were in LE's sights, wouldn't you possibly (like Cindy A etc) want to find out what is being tossed around in the forums, that would give an insight to the investigation and help spin things to your favor. Just tossing some ideas around in my head and they just don't add up...D@mn, sounds just like another case ::MonkeyDevil2::
Yes it does  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:50:30 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

I see your point, but when Anna Fl wanted to join, from what I recall she was approved rather fast and wonder if locals who had any insight might get approval from Klaas earlier rather than later if they could help......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 03, 2009, 10:52:40 PM
Let me also add that I've seen Klaas approve a membership fairly quickly, especially if it's the parent of a missing child or something like that.  It just depends.  If you have questions about it, I'd ask Klaas.  But I wanted you all to know it can take a long time to get approved or it can be fairly quickly.  Mileage may vary... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 03, 2009, 10:53:49 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

I see your point, but when Anna Fl wanted to join, from what I recall she was approved rather fast and wonder if locals who had any insight might get approval from Klaas earlier rather than later if they could help......

See my post  below above.   I was typing it out the same time you were.  Yes, you are correct :thumleft:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 10:55:42 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

I see your point, but when Anna Fl wanted to join, from what I recall she was approved rather fast and wonder if locals who had any insight might get approval from Klaas earlier rather than later if they could help......

See my post below above.  I was typing it out the same time you were.  Yes, you are correct :thumleft: (Edit my boo-boo)

Thanks Muffy ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
i hope im not talking out of turn but from what i understand, dd asked kona to help with this 'cause her family has lived there for a long time...really long, like generations.  and not to stick up for anybody, but this is just IMO if her son (kona's) was following mb maybe it was cause he knew what his mom was doing (helping) and decided to take it upon himself to sluth as well.  i don't know nor do i claim to.  JMO

Me either, but there are times when police look heavily at those that show an extreme amount of interest in a case, and wasn't he the one who mentioned her being dismembered?
To me it's just odd they ended up searching his residence while his mom is sleuthing, but maybe that's just me ::MonkeyDevil2::
Me too, something isn't adding up. It's very hard for me to move past the incident that happened when he was 14  ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree.  And not certain how we could go about learning any more of that, because of their ages at the same.  Disturbing, of course, what's been said about that time, if it is true info.  I don't have any reason not to believe, yet dunno how to find actual proof, is what I'm saying.  Disturbing to me as well, is the info about the girl's mother, whether or not she actually encouraged her daughter not to report, because it would be 'his word against hers'.  If that's true, then pfffft.  Nothing would have stopped me as a mom, from getting to the truth of the matter.  But then, that's me. 

What are we up against, with this town?  Who really is this family that years ago apparently some were content to look the other way, but now some seem hell-bent on throwing under the bus?  What's really going on?  And how do we even begin to find out, without knowing which are lies, rumor, actual facts, and who in that town is telling the truth of the matter?   ::MonkeyConfused::

   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 11:02:33 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I see, although I thought LE had contacted her to speak to her son on the 29th and she told them he was asleep, so it seems as she would at least have some knowledge that they were wanting to ask him questions, then this is really disturbing from the SW:

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09


Just odd timing IMO......who knows anymore, all these cases and so much misdirection. Could be nothing, but...............maybe it is something
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Hmmmm.. I see what you are saying, IM!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

I may have had some dots connected, but surely not these.  I just looked and found that Kona joined SM on Sept 1st!  I thought it was much earlier, for some reason.  And am not sure when she joined over yonder. 

But the very fact alone that her son was questioned on July 29th, a good month earlier than when she joined here, Kona was indeed aware of that... and didn't mention it to us, and apparently without mentioning it to others either...  ::MonkeyEek:: 


It does make me question Kona's motives/intentions for placing herself into the position of 'helping' with any part of the same investigation that she *knew* her son had already been questioned by LE about.  I had been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but not now, unfortunately.  This is all, IMO, just too freakin weird. 

Another thought.. LE questioned DG on July 29th.  I was wondering why he was following MB around on July 31, rather than showing that concern back in June when Lindsey went missing.  Was his seemingly sudden concern of MB being suspicious, and following her - a revenge thing on his part, for just having been questioned by LE about his actions/alibi etc back when Lindsey went missing?  Or as has been mentioned, could he just have been helping his mom to help in this case?  Unlikely, but am thinking, possible.   

And in light of all this, and what you said above, yessssssss, I agree, disturbing.  Hmmmm.   

Whatever... This needs looking into.  IMO



This is a DD alert!!  Question please!  
well, this may be one of the longer quote stacks...but following this train of thought, I wonder if DD knew when KonaMocha joined SM and when she started helping DD with the research.  It sounds like the son was involved in this very early on.....I kind of thought he had been helping his mom, but it may have been the other way around......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 11:03:17 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding the car being unusual.....I can say it's been many, many yrs since I've seen one and I lived in a city of a million plus before I moved and caome to think of it I can only recall seeing one on a lot for sale. Couldn't be too many in that area and I'd hope LE knows who owns every one of them.
That's why I don't think Dale was being truthful, it was Melissa's car which is an older greyish/brownish Nissan. You just don't see many of those cars.

This is her car......huge difference

Island TY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is the picture I recall and you will notice the missing sign on the  door.  How could  you not know who's car that was?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 11:09:57 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::


I see, although I thought LE had contacted her to speak to her son on the 29th and she told them he was asleep, so it seems as she would at least have some knowledge that they were wanting to ask him questions, then this is really disturbing from the SW:

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09


Just odd timing IMO......who knows anymore, all these cases and so much misdirection. Could be nothing, but...............maybe it is something
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Hmmmm.. I see what you are saying, IM!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

I may have had some dots connected, but surely not these.  I just looked and found that Kona joined SM on Sept 1st!  I thought it was much earlier, for some reason.  And am not sure when she joined over yonder. 

But the very fact alone that her son was questioned on July 29th, a good month earlier than when she joined here, Kona was indeed aware of that... and didn't mention it to us, and apparently without mentioning it to others either...  ::MonkeyEek:: 


It does make me question Kona's motives/intentions for placing herself into the position of 'helping' with any part of the same investigation that she *knew* her son had already been questioned by LE about.  I had been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but not now, unfortunately.  This is all, IMO, just too freakin weird. 

Another thought.. LE questioned DG on July 29th.  I was wondering why he was following MB around on July 31, rather than showing that concern back in June when Lindsey went missing.  Was his seemingly sudden concern of MB being suspicious, and following her - a revenge thing on his part, for just having been questioned by LE about his actions/alibi etc back when Lindsey went missing?  Or as has been mentioned, could he just have been helping his mom to help in this case?  Unlikely, but am thinking, possible.   

And in light of all this, and what you said above, yessssssss, I agree, disturbing.  Hmmmm.   

Whatever... This needs looking into.  IMO



This is a DD alert!!  Question please!  
well, this may be one of the longer quote stacks...but following this train of thought, I wonder if DD knew when KonaMocha joined SM and when she started helping DD with the research.  It sounds like the son was involved in this very early on.....I kind of thought he had been helping his mom, but it may have been the other way around......

BINGO BINGO BINGO........that's what I've been trying to get across all day! Glad Wyks caught on and now others. Like I said it may be nothing, but it is cetainly suspect to me a relatively new poster on this thread, maybe not to others.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 11:12:47 PM
NRCG~photo of a 1995 Honda Del Sol
Thanks, I have to say where I live I don't see any of those cars, I'm sure there are, but I'm not familiar with them. I'm looking out the window by the computer and there is a gorgeous full moon, the crazies will be out tonight. Wonder if anyone is listening to the police scanner in Satsuma  ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding the car being unusual.....I can say it's been many, many yrs since I've seen one and I lived in a city of a million plus before I moved and caome to think of it I can only recall seeing one on a lot for sale. Couldn't be too many in that area and I'd hope LE knows who owns every one of them.
That's why I don't think Dale was being truthful, it was Melissa's car which is an older greyish/brownish Nissan. You just don't see many of those cars.

This is her car......huge difference

Island TY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is the picture I recall and you will notice the missing sign on the  door.  How could  you not know who's car that was?

YW and EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 11:14:49 PM
That is why we need people to read all the boards and offer some 'ah ha's' occassionally....thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
Well lets see.  I see the SW is for two adjacent properties and Dale's alibi is that on the night in question he was next door for a BBQ and went home and passed out at 9:00PM.  There is also mention of someone's mental capabilities and could be easily manipulated.  Could the alibi be Jessy?  Could this be the reason nobody wants to look at this person?  Any locals out there that can help?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 11:18:31 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 11:19:28 PM
That is why we need people to read all the boards and offer some 'ah ha's' occassionally....thanks.

Oh I read here, just never contributed because I felt like I never understand anything.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 11:27:50 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   ::MonkeyWink::


Here is one of her post I found and the month she joined, no clue on the specific date ::MonkeyBike:: 08-28-2009, 10:05 PM 
 KONAMOCHA 
Registered User   Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pacific Northwest !!
Posts: 101 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 11:28:18 PM
That is why we need people to read all the boards and offer some 'ah ha's' occassionally....thanks.

Oh I read here, just never contributed because I felt like I never understand anything.....

Well.. at least one thing jumped out at you.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

This is exactly why we need all the input we can get.  Cuz some are puzzling over one thing, some over another, some over all of it, and important things can be missed. 

Sorry you've been trying to get your point across for so long, IM.  Thanks for being patient and hanging in there, determined to do so. 

Next time, using a brick upside the head might work faster.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 11:32:28 PM
That is why we need people to read all the boards and offer some 'ah ha's' occassionally....thanks.

Oh I read here, just never contributed because I felt like I never understand anything.....

Well.. at least one thing jumped out at you.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

This is exactly why we need all the input we can get.  Cuz some are puzzling over one thing, some over another, some over all of it, and important things can be missed. 

Sorry you've been trying to get your point across for so long, IM.  Thanks for being patient and hanging in there, determined to do so. 

Next time, using a brick upside the head might work faster.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Will try nect time WYKS, also found she joined IS in Aug 09.......will this do for a brick :2brickwall: :2brickwall: :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 11:33:55 PM
catvhing
Wyks, great questions, I wish I knew, but at least on the one night, it was not a Honda, it was a Nissan an older model that Melissa drives, nothing like Dale's car at all. I think that was just an excuse that Dale was making.

Thanks NoRose.  Seems it could have been just an excuse that DG made, yep.  But in the affadavit, his co-worker says that he pointed it out to her one night, (the silver Del Sol), and that when it was back the next night, he left work to follow it.  Makes it sound in the affadavit as tho she knew this info, rather than just what he had told her.  Then she says that he told her that he called the police about it.  But that he didn't tell her he was following MB. 

It's crazy, the wording of the affadavit.  Can be confusing.  Heck, I might have the wrong ideas, just from the wording alone.  Because in the affadavit, we don't have quote marks from the actual person being referred to.  We don't know for exact sure who said what to whom, and when.  The whole entire thing could be slanted on a bias from the investigator/s, re-stating what they had been told.  And if it's anything like what the media does with a direct quote,  :gaah:   

Wonder if this is what DD was referring to when she said:
"Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search"  ?? 



I noticed on another forum, someone was saying that a Honda Del Sol, is not a car you see many of, and that it seemed odd there would be another in the area, since I have no idea, I just have to wonder.
catching up but fyi 2 seater cute 2 door compact with removeable hard top.  most a standard and honda dosen't make them anymore


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 11:38:33 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   ::MonkeyWink::


Here is one of her post I found and the month she joined, no clue on the specific date ::MonkeyBike:: 08-28-2009, 10:05 PM 
 KONAMOCHA 
Registered User   Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pacific Northwest !!
Posts: 101 
 


Thanks, IM!  And hmmmmm..

Well, all I can go on is what it feels like to me, and what I think I would or wouldn't do in such a situation.  It's not looking good, from my viewpoint. 

Kind of like in other cases, where we have found out (later on) that a local had inserted themselves into a case with less than honorable intentions.  Feels like that, to me. 

Not that I suspect all locals, far from it!  (And I want for any locals reading/posting here to know that, ok?)  I am glad when locals join in, and give us their perspectives, etc.  It can often be very important in trying to do research when having someone with 'boots on the ground' in a case.  And just being there, telling us what they think etc.  It's just when we discover later that someone wasn't so honorable with their intentions, that's not good.  Some of those (in other cases) weren't even actual locals at all, lied about that too.  Dang. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 11:38:49 PM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 

That would have been done by LE/GHC before they released the document.  they also blacked out names if you will notice.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 03, 2009, 11:39:34 PM

<snipped for space>

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

DD, Am glad you are taking another look at MB.  I too have my concerns about MB, several as you have mentioned in this post.  Ever since reading (somewhere) that MB supposedly does little but sit on her porch, and etc.  --- combined with her statement that 'Lindsey is right under her nose' -- I do have to wonder if LE has actually searched UNDER the Baum's porch?????  Inside a basement, if they have one?  And etc.  Given what 'seems to' have been lies from MB, (her car running/not running etc), clear back from the beginning, why search anywhere elsewhere until the Baum property itself has been searched and cleared.  And if LE did search the property, did they give it a glance as they ran thru, or did they actually conduct a very thorough search, corner to corner, top to bottom, and then some. 

I just want them to move MB off that porch and look under it!!! 



I am just reading along and trying to catch up. I am a little under the weather and I know I am behind, but WYKS, your post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 11:40:46 PM
That is why we need people to read all the boards and offer some 'ah ha's' occassionally....thanks.

Oh I read here, just never contributed because I felt like I never understand anything.....

Well.. at least one thing jumped out at you.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

This is exactly why we need all the input we can get.  Cuz some are puzzling over one thing, some over another, some over all of it, and important things can be missed. 

Sorry you've been trying to get your point across for so long, IM.  Thanks for being patient and hanging in there, determined to do so. 

Next time, using a brick upside the head might work faster.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Will try nect time WYKS, also found she joined IS in Aug 09.......will this do for a brick :2brickwall: :2brickwall: :2brickwall:

Ok, thanks IM! 

And LOL yesssss that will do nicely!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 11:41:31 PM
catvhing
Wyks, great questions, I wish I knew, but at least on the one night, it was not a Honda, it was a Nissan an older model that Melissa drives, nothing like Dale's car at all. I think that was just an excuse that Dale was making.

Thanks NoRose.  Seems it could have been just an excuse that DG made, yep.  But in the affadavit, his co-worker says that he pointed it out to her one night, (the silver Del Sol), and that when it was back the next night, he left work to follow it.  Makes it sound in the affadavit as tho she knew this info, rather than just what he had told her.  Then she says that he told her that he called the police about it.  But that he didn't tell her he was following MB. 

It's crazy, the wording of the affadavit.  Can be confusing.  Heck, I might have the wrong ideas, just from the wording alone.  Because in the affadavit, we don't have quote marks from the actual person being referred to.  We don't know for exact sure who said what to whom, and when.  The whole entire thing could be slanted on a bias from the investigator/s, re-stating what they had been told.  And if it's anything like what the media does with a direct quote,  :gaah:   

Wonder if this is what DD was referring to when she said:
"Can you imagine you look at that affadavit when it is released and you see on it you stated things you never said, and those very things is a part of what caused all of the search"  ?? 



I noticed on another forum, someone was saying that a Honda Del Sol, is not a car you see many of, and that it seemed odd there would be another in the area, since I have no idea, I just have to wonder.
catching up but fyi 2 seater cute 2 door compact with removeable hard top.  most a standard and honda dosen't make them anymore


No rose/   look back a page or two.  Picture of the car was posted.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 03, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
I simply do not understand how it can be stated, and explained that all those people were misquoted.  It simply doesn't make sense.  Tie into that all the mistruths with where he was working/playing/sleeping the night Lindsey went missing, and I think we are just going to be playing a waiting game until the forensics are back.   I think they have a suspect, regardless of what they are calling him.  Now let's pray they find Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 03, 2009, 11:51:56 PM
I simply do not understand how it can be stated, and explained that all those people were misquoted.  It simply doesn't make sense.  Tie into that all the mistruths with where he was working/playing/sleeping the night Lindsey went missing, and I think we are just going to be playing a waiting game until the forensics are back.   I think they have a suspect, regardless of what they are calling him.  Now let's pray they find Lindsey.

I think you are spot on with all of the above ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 03, 2009, 11:54:39 PM
If a person just wants to read at SM, they don't have to join. I know WS has places that are off limits to non members, but not here on this forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 03, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
sogoodto see you im mia

<snipped for space>

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

DD, Am glad you are taking another look at MB.  I too have my concerns about MB, several as you have mentioned in this post.  Ever since reading (somewhere) that MB supposedly does little but sit on her porch, and etc.  --- combined with her statement that 'Lindsey is right under her nose' -- I do have to wonder if LE has actually searched UNDER the Baum's porch?????  Inside a basement, if they have one?  And etc.  Given what 'seems to' have been lies from MB, (her car running/not running etc), clear back from the beginning, why search anywhere elsewhere until the Baum property itself has been searched and cleared.  And if LE did search the property, did they give it a glance as they ran thru, or did they actually conduct a very thorough search, corner to corner, top to bottom, and then some. 

I just want them to move MB off that porch and look under it!!! 



I am just reading along and trying to catch up. I am a little under the weather and I know I am behind, but WYKS, your post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.  ::MonkeyCool::
so good to see you iv been mia
ot/ miss you miss mae


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 03, 2009, 11:58:37 PM

DD, Am glad you are taking another look at MB.  I too have my concerns about MB, several as you have mentioned in this post.  Ever since reading (somewhere) that MB supposedly does little but sit on her porch, and etc.  --- combined with her statement that 'Lindsey is right under her nose' -- I do have to wonder if LE has actually searched UNDER the Baum's porch?????  Inside a basement, if they have one?  And etc.  Given what 'seems to' have been lies from MB, (her car running/not running etc), clear back from the beginning, why search anywhere elsewhere until the Baum property itself has been searched and cleared.  And if LE did search the property, did they give it a glance as they ran thru, or did they actually conduct a very thorough search, corner to corner, top to bottom, and then some. 

I just want them to move MB off that porch and look under it!!! 



I am just reading along and trying to catch up. I am a little under the weather and I know I am behind, but WYKS, your post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hope you're feeling better soon, Fanny Mae! 

And yeah.. I hear ya.  That's the feeling I have had since August 2nd, when it was reported on the news that she said, "I feel like she’s right under my nose...." 

She could have meant that in a much different way, of course.  But the hair that went up the back of my neck tells me a much different thing. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 03, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 

That would have been done by LE/GHC before they released the document.  they also blacked out names if you will notice.
Thanks AZSunny.  Only problem I have with that is it requires a copy of the SW and evidence removed be left on the property or with the owner.  I don't believe the LE/GHC would sit down and black out that information on the SW.  Seems like that would make it invalid.  I think Kona or DD must have blacked it out for whatever reason they felt necessary as it was posted shortly afterwards.  Maybe they were told to black out that information out before posting.  Strange.   ::MonkeyConfused::shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 12:00:39 AM
sogoodto see you im mia

<snipped for space>

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

DD, Am glad you are taking another look at MB.  I too have my concerns about MB, several as you have mentioned in this post.  Ever since reading (somewhere) that MB supposedly does little but sit on her porch, and etc.  --- combined with her statement that 'Lindsey is right under her nose' -- I do have to wonder if LE has actually searched UNDER the Baum's porch?????  Inside a basement, if they have one?  And etc.  Given what 'seems to' have been lies from MB, (her car running/not running etc), clear back from the beginning, why search anywhere elsewhere until the Baum property itself has been searched and cleared.  And if LE did search the property, did they give it a glance as they ran thru, or did they actually conduct a very thorough search, corner to corner, top to bottom, and then some. 

I just want them to move MB off that porch and look under it!!! 



I am just reading along and trying to catch up. I am a little under the weather and I know I am behind, but WYKS, your post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.  ::MonkeyCool::
so good to see you iv been mia
ot/ miss you miss mae
::MonkeyKiss::
I've missed you too, MAMA.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 12:02:29 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 12:03:46 AM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 

That would have been done by LE/GHC before they released the document.  they also blacked out names if you will notice.
Thanks AZSunny.  Only problem I have with that is it requires a copy of the SW and evidence removed be left on the property or with the owner.  I don't believe the LE/GHC would sit down and black out that information on the SW.  Seems like that would make it invalid.  I think Kona or DD must have blacked it out for whatever reason they felt necessary as it was posted shortly afterwards.  Maybe they were told to black out that information out before posting.  Strange.   ::MonkeyConfused::shortcake 

I think that the SW were posted at a TV station and copied here.  I believe that is the one with the black outs. Yes, this is done by LE when releasing such documents.  The list of the evidence removed list was the one left with the owner, and posted by DD for Kona.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
sogoodto see you im mia

<snipped for space>

you have no idea the emails I have from MB... it took about the first two of them to start asking what the heck is wrong with her.  I ever ask MB the same thing.  It was so bizarre, I quit emailing her.  I thought the poor woman must be so unable to cope, she was acting like she could care less about lindsey, but I thought it was her way of coping and I did not wish to bother her.  But I clearly believe now it was NOT her way of coping, after talking to others, and NOW that I know for a fact her car was running and that she did IN FACT have the ability to hide a body... I have to agree with her when she says Lindsey is right under her nose.  I can see exactly how she could have hidden lindsey. 

might also make sense why lindsey's room is taped off as a "crime scene", which that never made sense to me either.  But it does now.

DD, Am glad you are taking another look at MB.  I too have my concerns about MB, several as you have mentioned in this post.  Ever since reading (somewhere) that MB supposedly does little but sit on her porch, and etc.  --- combined with her statement that 'Lindsey is right under her nose' -- I do have to wonder if LE has actually searched UNDER the Baum's porch?????  Inside a basement, if they have one?  And etc.  Given what 'seems to' have been lies from MB, (her car running/not running etc), clear back from the beginning, why search anywhere elsewhere until the Baum property itself has been searched and cleared.  And if LE did search the property, did they give it a glance as they ran thru, or did they actually conduct a very thorough search, corner to corner, top to bottom, and then some. 

I just want them to move MB off that porch and look under it!!! 



I am just reading along and trying to catch up. I am a little under the weather and I know I am behind, but WYKS, your post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.  ::MonkeyCool::
so good to see you iv been mia
ot/ miss you miss mae
::MonkeyKiss::
I've missed you too, MAMA.  ::MonkeyAngel::

)((hugs)) real fast or muffy will see lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 12:05:35 AM
OT san we are busted . LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 12:14:36 AM
close call with the snuggle up lol!  back to Lindsey.....what is your/anyones take?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 12:17:03 AM
i like lots of questions...lets figure this out!
 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 12:18:08 AM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 

That would have been done by LE/GHC before they released the document.  they also blacked out names if you will notice.
Thanks AZSunny.  Only problem I have with that is it requires a copy of the SW and evidence removed be left on the property or with the owner.  I don't believe the LE/GHC would sit down and black out that information on the SW.  Seems like that would make it invalid.  I think Kona or DD must have blacked it out for whatever reason they felt necessary as it was posted shortly afterwards.  Maybe they were told to black out that information out before posting.  Strange.   ::MonkeyConfused::shortcake 

I think that the SW were posted at a TV station and copied here.  I believe that is the one with the black outs. Yes, this is done by LE when releasing such documents.  The list of the evidence removed list was the one left with the owner, and posted by DD for Kona.
You are probably right, but the SW states a copy is to be left on the property.  I also remember the TV stations saying the SW and evidence receipts were being posted on the internet talk rooms.  I just wish DD would say yes or no. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 12:24:42 AM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 

That would have been done by LE/GHC before they released the document.  they also blacked out names if you will notice.
Thanks AZSunny.  Only problem I have with that is it requires a copy of the SW and evidence removed be left on the property or with the owner.  I don't believe the LE/GHC would sit down and black out that information on the SW.  Seems like that would make it invalid.  I think Kona or DD must have blacked it out for whatever reason they felt necessary as it was posted shortly afterwards.  Maybe they were told to black out that information out before posting.  Strange.   ::MonkeyConfused::shortcake 

I think that the SW were posted at a TV station and copied here.  I believe that is the one with the black outs. Yes, this is done by LE when releasing such documents.  The list of the evidence removed list was the one left with the owner, and posted by DD for Kona.
You are probably right, but the SW states a copy is to be left on the property.  I also remember the TV stations saying the SW and evidence receipts were being posted on the internet talk rooms.  I just wish DD would say yes or no. ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, but remember the GHC saying they would release the SW, and documents in 5 days or whatever?  They released them to the media, and in so doing they cross off all names, and locations that are not directly associated with the POI or the address involved. (REALLY TO PROTECT THOSE THAT ARE QUOTED IN THE CAUSE FOR THE WARRANT)  You are correct that they did not release the evidence taken, that was done by DD when she received if from Kona...that is where that came from.   Think what ever you wish, this is just my understanding and with some experience in reading passed SW that have been released. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 12:29:03 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 12:33:27 AM
DD or Anybody.  Why are the names of the two adjacent properties blacked out on the SE?  Is there a reason for this?  I get a feeling of a cover-up of some kind going on.  It sure seems strange.  shortcake 

That would have been done by LE/GHC before they released the document.  they also blacked out names if you will notice.
Thanks AZSunny.  Only problem I have with that is it requires a copy of the SW and evidence removed be left on the property or with the owner.  I don't believe the LE/GHC would sit down and black out that information on the SW.  Seems like that would make it invalid.  I think Kona or DD must have blacked it out for whatever reason they felt necessary as it was posted shortly afterwards.  Maybe they were told to black out that information out before posting.  Strange.   ::MonkeyConfused::shortcake 

I think that the SW were posted at a TV station and copied here.  I believe that is the one with the black outs. Yes, this is done by LE when releasing such documents.  The list of the evidence removed list was the one left with the owner, and posted by DD for Kona.
You are probably right, but the SW states a copy is to be left on the property.  I also remember the TV stations saying the SW and evidence receipts were being posted on the internet talk rooms.  I just wish DD would say yes or no. ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes, but remember the GHC saying they would release the SW, and documents in 5 days or whatever?  They released them to the media, and in so doing they cross off all names, and locations that are not directly associated with the POI or the address involved. (REALLY TO PROTECT THOSE THAT ARE QUOTED IN THE CAUSE FOR THE WARRANT)  You are correct that they did not release the evidence taken, that was done by DD when she received if from Kona...that is where that came from.   Think what ever you wish, this is just my understanding and with some experience in reading passed SW that have been released. 

Thanks AZSunny


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 12:37:55 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 12:46:39 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Here are all the neighbors on Foreman:



  Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523120010  TOOMPAS DAVID A & RHONDA L 82    FOREMAN RD 
180523120020  CRANE TERENCE R & JEANETTE C 80    FOREMAN RD 
180523120030  MEYER JANEAL C  110    FOREMAN RD 
180523120060  BELCHER COREY & MICHELE  78    FOREMAN RD 
180523120070  RAUB MARY M 88    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080A VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080B VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523130020  CRAWFORD DALE L ET AL 95    FOREMAN RD 
180523210010  CHEHALIS VALLEY TIMBER  114    FOREMAN RD 
180523210040  SCHEEL CHRISTOPHER & MINK J  136    FOREMAN RD 
180523220020  TUTTLE DAVID A & KAREN L 130    FOREMAN RD 
180523230010  KINNEY STEVEN D & SHEA BEVERLY J 142    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180524230040  KARR RICHARD ET AL 15    FOREMAN RD 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 12:54:50 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?

Jessey D Braun.  He was identified as a local SO, but never really looked at.  I see he lives out same road as Dale and the SW stated two adjacent properties to be searched.  I am sure I heard two places were searched.  Also the parcel no. and owner names are blacked out.  Just makes me wonder.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 01:00:02 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Here are all the neighbors on Foreman:



  Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523120010  TOOMPAS DAVID A & RHONDA L 82    FOREMAN RD 
180523120020  CRANE TERENCE R & JEANETTE C 80    FOREMAN RD 
180523120030  MEYER JANEAL C  110    FOREMAN RD 
180523120060  BELCHER COREY & MICHELE  78    FOREMAN RD 
180523120070  RAUB MARY M 88    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080A VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080B VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523130020  CRAWFORD DALE L ET AL 95    FOREMAN RD 
180523210010  CHEHALIS VALLEY TIMBER  114    FOREMAN RD 
180523210040  SCHEEL CHRISTOPHER & MINK J  136    FOREMAN RD 
180523220020  TUTTLE DAVID A & KAREN L 130    FOREMAN RD 
180523230010  KINNEY STEVEN D & SHEA BEVERLY J 142    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180524230040  KARR RICHARD ET AL 15    FOREMAN RD 
 


What I found on a earlier post was RSO Jessy D Braun  100 Block of Heslep Lane(right off Foreman Road).  Please some local clear this up?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 01:06:22 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Here are all the neighbors on Foreman:



  Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523120010  TOOMPAS DAVID A & RHONDA L 82    FOREMAN RD 
180523120020  CRANE TERENCE R & JEANETTE C 80    FOREMAN RD 
180523120030  MEYER JANEAL C  110    FOREMAN RD 
180523120060  BELCHER COREY & MICHELE  78    FOREMAN RD 
180523120070  RAUB MARY M 88    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080A VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080B VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523130020  CRAWFORD DALE L ET AL 95    FOREMAN RD 
180523210010  CHEHALIS VALLEY TIMBER  114    FOREMAN RD 
180523210040  SCHEEL CHRISTOPHER & MINK J  136    FOREMAN RD 
180523220020  TUTTLE DAVID A & KAREN L 130    FOREMAN RD 
180523230010  KINNEY STEVEN D & SHEA BEVERLY J 142    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180524230040  KARR RICHARD ET AL 15    FOREMAN RD 
 


What I found on a earlier post was RSO Jessy D Braun  100 Block of Heslep Lane(right off Foreman Road).  Please some local clear this up?

On google maps, Heslep is very close to Foreman, but doesn't back up to it. Remeber the white car mentioned............did anyone ever say what type of car the girls saw?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 01:13:22 AM
pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 01:14:54 AM
JESSY D. BRAUN

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:31 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Northern Rose
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 01:18:36 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?

Jessey D Braun.  He was identified as a local SO, but never really looked at.  I see he lives out same road as Dale and the SW stated two adjacent properties to be searched.  I am sure I heard two places were searched.  Also the parcel no. and owner names are blacked out.  Just makes me wonder.  ::MonkeyConfused::


WOW~I take back what I said earlier......Heslep Lane DOES back up to Foreman:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=heslep+lane+,+mcleary+,+wa+&daddr=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.036817,-123.279747&sspn=0.008482,0.017896&ie=UTF8&ll=47.039948,-123.280077&spn=0.016963,0.068321&z=14



You have to zoom in to see Heslep come up, but I'm probably grasping at straws here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Thanks Janet, I found it and Heslep Ln and Foreman road back up to each other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 01:36:50 AM
DD posted on Friday (the 2nd) that DG is not considered a suspect or POI and that it would be on the 11p news, King 5. 

Been out on the net searching for the latest news broadcasts for the McCleary area, since I'm not local, and couldn't watch their news show. 

Well, I found King 5's news story, for Oct 2 at 10:45pm, and indeed right near the bottom, the reporter does say that there are no suspects, and no POI's. 

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html (http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html)   

...............However................

Here's the latest video from another news station, KOMO ch4, for Oct 2, but much earlier in the day, at 12:54 pm.  The detective says that DG *is* a POI. 

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a)

So which is it??  And who do we believe?  A reporter, or the detective? 

Is this typical media reporting, a reporter getting things wrong.. or did something happen between noon-ish on Friday and the 11p news the same night, that made LE change their minds about his being a POI/not a POI?  And if so, why isn't that reported? 

IMO, because of there being a search warrant and all, I have to go with the latest in what I hear THE DETECTIVE actually reporting to the news, on KOMO, that he is a POI.  Until I hear him say it himself that he isn't. 

Know what I mean? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 01:39:02 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?

Jessey D Braun.  He was identified as a local SO, but never really looked at.  I see he lives out same road as Dale and the SW stated two adjacent properties to be searched.  I am sure I heard two places were searched.  Also the parcel no. and owner names are blacked out.  Just makes me wonder.  ::MonkeyConfused::


WOW~I take back what I said earlier......Heslep Lane DOES back up to Foreman:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=heslep+lane+,+mcleary+,+wa+&daddr=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.036817,-123.279747&sspn=0.008482,0.017896&ie=UTF8&ll=47.039948,-123.280077&spn=0.016963,0.068321&z=14



You have to zoom in to see Heslep come up, but I'm probably grasping at straws here.

Thanks Islandmonkey,  Great find.  I see it is a little ways, but in the same general area and desirves a closer look.  IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 01:43:43 AM
pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Thanks Janet, I found it and Heslep Ln and Foreman road back up to each other.

Parcel   180514410080 
 Situs Address   00100 HESLEP LN MCCL
  Legal Description   LOT 10 SURVEY VOL 5 PG 133 (AKA LL 96-0237 VOL 1 PG 11) 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner   HODGES FAMILY TRUST  File Updated   10/2/2009   16:05
Address   C/O KEITH HODGES TRUSTEE  Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 14
   8500 OLD HWY 99 SE
OLYMPIA , WA 98501
Total Acres   5

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180514410080

Interestingly when you google 100 Heslep Lane mccleary you get :

Harp Turkey Ranch
and
Robins Eggs & Other clean foods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 01:44:07 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?

Jessey D Braun.  He was identified as a local SO, but never really looked at.  I see he lives out same road as Dale and the SW stated two adjacent properties to be searched.  I am sure I heard two places were searched.  Also the parcel no. and owner names are blacked out.  Just makes me wonder.  ::MonkeyConfused::


WOW~I take back what I said earlier......Heslep Lane DOES back up to Foreman:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=heslep+lane+,+mcleary+,+wa+&daddr=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.036817,-123.279747&sspn=0.008482,0.017896&ie=UTF8&ll=47.039948,-123.280077&spn=0.016963,0.068321&z=14



You have to zoom in to see Heslep come up, but I'm probably grasping at straws here.

Thanks Islandmonkey,  Great find.  I see it is a little ways, but in the same general area and desirves a closer look.  IMO

This will give you a better idea. I just picked 120 Heslep for a random number and look at the distance adn proximity:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?li=rwp&q=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=47.039919,-123.27158&spn=0.008481,0.034161&t=h&z=15


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 01:47:31 AM
DD posted on Friday (the 2nd) that DG is not considered a suspect or POI and that it would be on the 11p news, King 5. 

Been out on the net searching for the latest news broadcasts for the McCleary area, since I'm not local, and couldn't watch their news show. 

Well, I found King 5's news story, for Oct 2 at 10:45pm, and indeed right near the bottom, the reporter does say that there are no suspects, and no POI's. 

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html (http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html)   

...............However................

Here's the latest video from another news station, KOMO ch4, for Oct 2, but much earlier in the day, at 12:54 pm.  The detective says that DG *is* a POI. 

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a)

So which is it??  And who do we believe?  A reporter, or the detective? 

Is this typical media reporting, a reporter getting things wrong.. or did something happen between noon-ish on Friday and the 11p news the same night, that made LE change their minds about his being a POI/not a POI?  And if so, why isn't that reported? 

IMO, because of there being a search warrant and all, I have to go with the latest in what I hear THE DETECTIVE actually reporting to the news, on KOMO, that he is a POI.  Until I hear him say it himself that he isn't. 

Know what I mean? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

 

Wyks  Exactly, DD says we should go by the latest news??  Sounds like legal talk when each station puts their own spin on the news.  I believe he is surely still being looked at.  Only a family member would think otherwise.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 01:47:43 AM
DD posted on Friday (the 2nd) that DG is not considered a suspect or POI and that it would be on the 11p news, King 5. 

Been out on the net searching for the latest news broadcasts for the McCleary area, since I'm not local, and couldn't watch their news show. 

Well, I found King 5's news story, for Oct 2 at 10:45pm, and indeed right near the bottom, the reporter does say that there are no suspects, and no POI's. 

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html (http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html)   

...............However................

Here's the latest video from another news station, KOMO ch4, for Oct 2, but much earlier in the day, at 12:54 pm.  The detective says that DG *is* a POI. 

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a)

So which is it??  And who do we believe?  A reporter, or the detective? 

Is this typical media reporting, a reporter getting things wrong.. or did something happen between noon-ish on Friday and the 11p news the same night, that made LE change their minds about his being a POI/not a POI?  And if so, why isn't that reported? 

IMO, because of there being a search warrant and all, I have to go with the latest in what I hear THE DETECTIVE actually reporting to the news, on KOMO, that he is a POI.  Until I hear him say it himself that he isn't. 

Know what I mean? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

 

I know exactly what you mean......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 01:50:06 AM
DD posted on Friday (the 2nd) that DG is not considered a suspect or POI and that it would be on the 11p news, King 5. 

Been out on the net searching for the latest news broadcasts for the McCleary area, since I'm not local, and couldn't watch their news show. 

Well, I found King 5's news story, for Oct 2 at 10:45pm, and indeed right near the bottom, the reporter does say that there are no suspects, and no POI's. 

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html (http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html)   

...............However................

Here's the latest video from another news station, KOMO ch4, for Oct 2, but much earlier in the day, at 12:54 pm.  The detective says that DG *is* a POI. 

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html?video=YHI&t=a)

So which is it??  And who do we believe?  A reporter, or the detective? 

Is this typical media reporting, a reporter getting things wrong.. or did something happen between noon-ish on Friday and the 11p news the same night, that made LE change their minds about his being a POI/not a POI?  And if so, why isn't that reported? 

IMO, because of there being a search warrant and all, I have to go with the latest in what I hear THE DETECTIVE actually reporting to the news, on KOMO, that he is a POI.  Until I hear him say it himself that he isn't. 

Know what I mean? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

 

Wyks  Exactly, DD says we should go by the latest news??  Sounds like legal talk when each station puts their own spin on the news.  I believe he is surely still being looked at.  Only a family member would think otherwise.

Did you hear on that video that MB said that even one of Kona's sons has shown up to help search ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Seen that one before ::MonkeyConfused::







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 01:55:20 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:00:47 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 02:00:50 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?

Jessey D Braun.  He was identified as a local SO, but never really looked at.  I see he lives out same road as Dale and the SW stated two adjacent properties to be searched.  I am sure I heard two places were searched.  Also the parcel no. and owner names are blacked out.  Just makes me wonder.  ::MonkeyConfused::


WOW~I take back what I said earlier......Heslep Lane DOES back up to Foreman:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=heslep+lane+,+mcleary+,+wa+&daddr=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.036817,-123.279747&sspn=0.008482,0.017896&ie=UTF8&ll=47.039948,-123.280077&spn=0.016963,0.068321&z=14



You have to zoom in to see Heslep come up, but I'm probably grasping at straws here.

Thanks Islandmonkey,  Great find.  I see it is a little ways, but in the same general area and desirves a closer look.  IMO

This will give you a better idea. I just picked 120 Heslep for a random number and look at the distance adn proximity:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?li=rwp&q=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=47.039919,-123.27158&spn=0.008481,0.034161&t=h&z=15

The big chunk of land that backs right onto Foreman as well as the smaller chunk  at the corner of Foremanand Mox Chehalis are owned by CMH Homes Inc out of Maryville, Tn


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 02:03:45 AM
Shortcake - I agree!  Media spin can mean anything.  I appreciate that reporters do report,  but when they tell us what LE says, I'd like to hear it quoted word for word. 
 

IM - No, I missed that part!  (The video kept stalling on me).  But that's interesting! 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:04:21 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

LE really needs to update their investigative techniques. Most of us know "good cop/bad cop" as well as "make the suspect think we have lost interest so that he slips up". Geez!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 02:09:09 AM
With all the hoopla that happens in some cases, when LE uses the words "POI" and "suspect", it may be that in the future, none of those words will be used by them, publically. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:13:59 AM
With all the hoopla that happens in some cases, when LE uses the words "POI" and "suspect", it may be that in the future, none of those words will be used by them, publically. 


I SOOOOO agree with you on that Wyks. I also just listened to the video from the reporter and very carefully, she stated that they took evidence and until they get those results there is nothing linking him to her disappearance. Sounds like they have learned to parse their words carefully. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:16:31 AM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Do you know Jessy's last name?

Jessey D Braun.  He was identified as a local SO, but never really looked at.  I see he lives out same road as Dale and the SW stated two adjacent properties to be searched.  I am sure I heard two places were searched.  Also the parcel no. and owner names are blacked out.  Just makes me wonder.  ::MonkeyConfused::


WOW~I take back what I said earlier......Heslep Lane DOES back up to Foreman:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=heslep+lane+,+mcleary+,+wa+&daddr=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.036817,-123.279747&sspn=0.008482,0.017896&ie=UTF8&ll=47.039948,-123.280077&spn=0.016963,0.068321&z=14



You have to zoom in to see Heslep come up, but I'm probably grasping at straws here.

Thanks Islandmonkey,  Great find.  I see it is a little ways, but in the same general area and desirves a closer look.  IMO

This will give you a better idea. I just picked 120 Heslep for a random number and look at the distance adn proximity:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?li=rwp&q=149+Foreman+Rd,+Mccleary,+WA+98557&ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=47.039919,-123.27158&spn=0.008481,0.034161&t=h&z=15

The big chunk of land that backs right onto Foreman as well as the smaller chunk  at the corner of Foremanand Mox Chehalis are owned by CMH Homes Inc out of Maryville, Tn

I did go do a parcel search and it appears that their property is further west and doesn't back up to Heslep, only some of the land on Foremand does.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 02:18:20 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.

They have no evidence is the reason.  I've stated everything as to how I know about this and what I know about it all.  I think it didn't take long for the police to figure it out either once people started saying they had never said what that warrant said they said.  They also found nothing, the dogs hit on nothing, the statements they had people saying in the search warrant probable cause, they people never said that at all.  His gf went on the news saying she never said it.  People were shocked it was said things they never said.  No matter what anyone wishes to believe he has credible witnesses who knows where he was both before and after the time lindesy went missing, with no times in between time he is not accounted for.

Someone wanted this kid to be the perp, they did everything to make him be the perp, but he isn't.  That is all there really is to it.  I was watching it happen for the most part. I'll say it again, it's all ridiculous.  You all know how much I research, and if I thought for one minute there were a chance at all he was the perp, I would tear him apart.  He's not it.  Someone was trying their best to make him "fit", and they were trying to make up thing to "make" him fit, and why they police would write out that so and so said this or that when they never said it at all, is beyond me, but they did. And not for just ONE of the poeople on the probable cause but for most all of them.  Now that is just plain bizarre, but it is exactly what happened.  I think the police really want this case solved... But they really need to get the RIGHT person.

I an others who are working with me are compiling everything at this time and once we have it all organized we will do something with it.  So I don't have any time beginning tomorrow, so if you don't see me answering you, that is why.  We have to get back to the work and focus on that now.  And hopefully, something happened about where I wanted searched. If not, then I have to find out how to get that info out here too.  But first there is someone I promised ( a professional) that I would not share certain info, so I have to get that straighted out as well...

so I have a ton of stuff to do, so please don't think I am avoiding answering you.  I just do not have time.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 02:18:22 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 02:21:26 AM
With all the hoopla that happens in some cases, when LE uses the words "POI" and "suspect", it may be that in the future, none of those words will be used by them, publically. 


I SOOOOO agree with you on that Wyks. I also just listened to the video from the reporter and very carefully, she stated that they took evidence and until they get those results there is nothing linking him to her disappearance. Sounds like they have learned to parse their words carefully. JMO

True that, IM.  Wonder if it's for these reasons that we get 'play on words' from LE in another case?  They cannot really come right out and say yes or no, so they opt for something that sounds like they are saying nothing, when actually turns out they were hinting.  lol  I'd settle for 'no comment', until such time as when the whole truth can be told.  No wait, I'd hate that too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:24:14 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 02:27:58 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

They were showing video from the DG search so I can only assume those words were meant in regards to him.  They mentioned nothing about any other property being searched, they just mentioned the volunteer search that happened today then said what I have in quotes.  I even rewound  it to make sure I had the words right.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:29:01 AM
With all the hoopla that happens in some cases, when LE uses the words "POI" and "suspect", it may be that in the future, none of those words will be used by them, publically. 


I SOOOOO agree with you on that Wyks. I also just listened to the video from the reporter and very carefully, she stated that they took evidence and until they get those results there is nothing linking him to her disappearance. Sounds like they have learned to parse their words carefully. JMO

True that, IM.  Wonder if it's for these reasons that we get 'play on words' from LE in another case?  They cannot really come right out and say yes or no, so they opt for something that sounds like they are saying nothing, when actually turns out they were hinting.  lol  I'd settle for 'no comment', until such time as when the whole truth can be told.  No wait, I'd hate that too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 


 ::MonkeyTease::  I swear I'm going to stop following these cases........if not all the doublespeak will drive me insane.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 02:29:17 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

*stares at IM* 

<whispers... ermmm, DG?>  he's the only one in town I know of who has given 4 versions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:30:21 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

They were showing video from the DG search so I can only assume those words were meant in regards to him.  They mentioned nothing about any other property being searched, they just mentioned the volunteer search that happened today then said what I have in quotes.  I even rewound  it to make sure I had the words right.

That's what I suspected, but wasn't sure. Thanks for clearing that up.......and that was just now on local news??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 02:32:08 AM
With all the hoopla that happens in some cases, when LE uses the words "POI" and "suspect", it may be that in the future, none of those words will be used by them, publically. 


I SOOOOO agree with you on that Wyks. I also just listened to the video from the reporter and very carefully, she stated that they took evidence and until they get those results there is nothing linking him to her disappearance. Sounds like they have learned to parse their words carefully. JMO

True that, IM.  Wonder if it's for these reasons that we get 'play on words' from LE in another case?  They cannot really come right out and say yes or no, so they opt for something that sounds like they are saying nothing, when actually turns out they were hinting.  lol  I'd settle for 'no comment', until such time as when the whole truth can be told.  No wait, I'd hate that too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 


 ::MonkeyTease::  I swear I'm going to stop following these cases........if not all the doublespeak will drive me insane.

I hear ya!!  Online scrabble is looking pretty good to me right about now.   ::MonkeyTease::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 02:33:11 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

They were showing video from the DG search so I can only assume those words were meant in regards to him.  They mentioned nothing about any other property being searched, they just mentioned the volunteer search that happened today then said what I have in quotes.  I even rewound  it to make sure I had the words right.

That's what I suspected, but wasn't sure. Thanks for clearing that up.......and that was just now on local news??

Yes.  I have satellite and pick up all the Seattle stations.  I missed King5 and Komo news as I was rewinding the piece from Kiro7 to get the words right - Kiro7 are still calling him a POI.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 02:35:27 AM
I need to get some sleep.  Lets hope they find Lindsey   ::MonkeyAngel::  Night


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:36:40 AM
I need to get some sleep.  Lets hope they find Lindsey   ::MonkeyAngel::  Night

Nite NR and thanks for the info ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 02:37:37 AM
I need to get some sleep.  Lets hope they find Lindsey   ::MonkeyAngel::  Night

Thanks for the news report, Northern Rose!  Sleep well! 

Am calling it a night too.  See y'all in the morning. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:51:46 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

*stares at IM*

 

<whispers... ermmm, DG?>  he's the only one in town I know of who has given 4 versions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 02:54:15 AM
If a person just wants to read at SM, they don't have to join. I know WS has places that are off limits to non members, but not here on this forum.




Hi KatGram,  Just one thread is for members only and it is more of a place to kick your shoes off and let it out.  It is where RUMOR threads go.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 02:55:55 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

*stares at IM*

 

<whispers... ermmm, DG?>  he's the only one in town I know of who has given 4 versions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



  ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I deserve it.......I was confused by the wording of today's search, but knew he was the only one that gave 4 stories, so I asked for further clarification ::MonkeyTease:: to you both.  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:57:02 AM
Kiro7 just reported on the search today and said "A man living here is person of interest in a  large part because an affidavit claims he is giving four different stories on his whereabouts the night Lindsey vanished".


Do we have any idea who this man is from today's search???

*stares at IM*

 

<whispers... ermmm, DG?>  he's the only one in town I know of who has given 4 versions.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



  ::MonkeyLaugh::

OK, I deserve it.......I was confused by the wording of today's search, but knew he was the only one that gave 4 stories, so I asked for further clarification ::MonkeyTease:: to you both.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

I have so many of these moments myself!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:58:19 AM
If a person just wants to read at SM, they don't have to join. I know WS has places that are off limits to non members, but not here on this forum.




Hi KatGram,  Just one thread is for members only and it is more of a place to kick your shoes off and let it out.  It is where RUMOR threads go.  xox

Hi Scandi,
So what is the latest on your board over at WS? Anything different than what we are discussing today? I know there are tons of new pages. Someone will need to open a new thread soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 03:04:42 AM
Thanks for all the help islandmonkey.  Guess I got going down a rabbit trail and got lost.  Jessy lives real close to Dale, but probably not a factor.  The two warrants issued was probably the two parcels Tena Golder owns that are next to each other on Foreman Road.  Looking at Jessy has become a side issue and will now concentrate on Dale again.  Thanks to DD, I feel I need to see how many people would have to be involved in this frame-up.  I had not heard of anyone recounting their story.  Seems like they would call the news media for their 15 minutes of fame and expose this town.  Guess the judge started the frame-up and forced everyone to follow, even the FBI?  Thanks everyone for all your help and getting me back on course.  shortcake




























Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 03:29:44 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

LE really needs to update their investigative techniques. Most of us know "good cop/bad cop" as well as "make the suspect think we have lost interest so that he slips up". Geez!


Hmmmm,  Hi Sebastian,  Personally I think LE has a very cagey plan of strategy gong on.  Who cares if Dale gets spooked at this point.  He has had 3 carefee months of being somewhere, doing something.  And now that John Q Public knows his car and have a picture of him in their minds, he is going to be remembered here and there, being up around the corner, down across the tracks.  If he is involved I hope he breaks out in the sweats every night when he lays his head down.  He is a known man now, and he might rue the day he didn't put a standard muffler on that car of his!

If he is not involved it will die down and go away and eventually the devil who played God with Lindsey will be caught and punished.


PS:  I'd still get him in the box to have him explain who told him the girl that was taken was killed and dismembered.  That is just too bizarre for words.

And IMO it is equally as bizarre for LE and the Prosecutor to broadcast that piece of info to the public, esp only 6 days after the search was done.  I think they did it for a reason and LE have the case very well under tow. 

I was always worried posting ideas here that could change the way a perp might do something after the fact if he or his friends or family were reading here.  No worries anymore.  The truth will come out and I do hope this family can move on to a normal life again.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 03:31:36 AM
Thanks for all the help islandmonkey.  Guess I got going down a rabbit trail and got lost.  Jessy lives real close to Dale, but probably not a factor.  The two warrants issued was probably the two parcels Tena Golder owns that are next to each other on Foreman Road.  Looking at Jessy has become a side issue and will now concentrate on Dale again.  Thanks to DD, I feel I need to see how many people would have to be involved in this frame-up.  I had not heard of anyone recounting their story.  Seems like they would call the news media for their 15 minutes of fame and expose this town.  Guess the judge started the frame-up and forced everyone to follow, even the FBI?  Thanks everyone for all your help and getting me back on course.  shortcake

Hi Shortcake,
Somewhere it was mentioned that there were 15 kids living in one of those houses off and on for the last many years. Do you know if either Dales family or the parents of Jessy Braun take in foster kids?



























Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 03:36:54 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

LE really needs to update their investigative techniques. Most of us know "good cop/bad cop" as well as "make the suspect think we have lost interest so that he slips up". Geez!


Hmmmm,  Hi Sebastian,  Personally I think LE has a very cagey plan of strategy gong on.  Who cares if Dale gets spooked at this point.  He has had 3 carefee months of being somewhere, doing something.  And now that John Q Public knows his car and have a picture of him in their minds, he is going to be remembered here and there, being up around the corner, down across the tracks.  If he is involved I hope he breaks out in the sweats every night when he lays his head down.  He is a known man now, and he might rue the day he didn't put a standard muffler on that car of his!

If he is not involved it will die down and go away and eventually the devil who played God with Lindsey will be caught and punished.


PS:  I'd still get him in the box to have him explain who told him the girl that was taken was killed and dismembered.  That is just too bizarre for words.

And IMO it is equally as bizarre for LE and the Prosecutor to broadcast that piece of info to the public, esp only 6 days after the search was done.  I think they did it for a reason and LE have the case very well under tow. 

I was always worried posting ideas here that could change the way a perp might do something after the fact if he or his friends or family were reading here.  No worries anymore.  The truth will come out and I do hope this family can move on to a normal life again.  xox

Hi Scandi,
If Dale is the perp and was stupid enough to follow Mom Baum around, I don't think he is too darn saavy. I guess this is just one of those things that I cannot explain away. I am on the fence on any perp at this time. I definately think what has piled up against Dale thus far is damning. Having said this, whoever took Lindsey was smart enough not to get noticed and to get away with it for 3 months. Why would DG, if it is him, go back and follow Lindsey's mother. I just cannot get my head around that one!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 03:47:37 AM
If a person just wants to read at SM, they don't have to join. I know WS has places that are off limits to non members, but not here on this forum.




Hi KatGram,  Just one thread is for members only and it is more of a place to kick your shoes off and let it out.  It is where RUMOR threads go.  xox

Hi Scandi,
So what is the latest on your board over at WS? Anything different than what we are discussing today? I know there are tons of new pages. Someone will need to open a new thread soon.

Hi again Sebastian,  I can't speak for other posters, but would say the general feeling is now concentrating on holes in the timeline of DG {spaces of time unaccounted for}, hoping for a way to learn where the phone pinged at 1:11 AM, which camp close to Olympia {by name} it is that he worked for, and all of this geared to try and pinpoint the area where he would have taken her and then left her.

Also, everything needs to be explored to be intelligent about this.  Lindsey is first for consideration of thought above all as she is the innocent victim.  Let the rest fall where it may and the clues should tell the rest of the story as to what happened to her and where she can be found now.  So it is all about finding Lindsey.  I think they would all say the same thing.

xox


PS:  If anyone here who doesn't belong or read there has any ideas that might add to what is being looked at there, I'd be glad to ask for you and report back.  We all have the same goal, and with so many great minds on both forums it would be heartening to see them all work together in some way like this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 04:22:09 AM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

LE really needs to update their investigative techniques. Most of us know "good cop/bad cop" as well as "make the suspect think we have lost interest so that he slips up". Geez!


Hmmmm,  Hi Sebastian,  Personally I think LE has a very cagey plan of strategy gong on.  Who cares if Dale gets spooked at this point.  He has had 3 carefee months of being somewhere, doing something.  And now that John Q Public knows his car and have a picture of him in their minds, he is going to be remembered here and there, being up around the corner, down across the tracks.  If he is involved I hope he breaks out in the sweats every night when he lays his head down.  He is a known man now, and he might rue the day he didn't put a standard muffler on that car of his!

If he is not involved it will die down and go away and eventually the devil who played God with Lindsey will be caught and punished.


PS:  I'd still get him in the box to have him explain who told him the girl that was taken was killed and dismembered.  That is just too bizarre for words.

And IMO it is equally as bizarre for LE and the Prosecutor to broadcast that piece of info to the public, esp only 6 days after the search was done.  I think they did it for a reason and LE have the case very well under tow. 

I was always worried posting ideas here that could change the way a perp might do something after the fact if he or his friends or family were reading here.  No worries anymore.  The truth will come out and I do hope this family can move on to a normal life again.  xox

Hi Scandi,
If Dale is the perp and was stupid enough to follow Mom Baum around, I don't think he is too darn saavy. I guess this is just one of those things that I cannot explain away. I am on the fence on any perp at this time. I definately think what has piled up against Dale thus far is damning. Having said this, whoever took Lindsey was smart enough not to get noticed and to get away with it for 3 months. Why would DG, if it is him, go back and follow Lindsey's mother. I just cannot get my head around that one!

Whoever said people that commit crimes like this are smart?  lol  IMO they have a passion or motive ~ something that drives them to act out.  When they feel threatened and realize their life style might be changed, they strike out, sometimes resulting in death for their victim.   With sex crimes they are often repeaters who will develop a style of attack to secure their own needs.  And so many of the people we see here in Sleuthing have sociopatic tendencies, are into self gratification above all and then many are psycotic, having lost reality.

First we look at Dale as he is named.  I don't think it is a matter of being smart on his part.  He didn't even lay low, obsessing about her, etc. and putting himself out on a limb by doing such dumb things as following Lindsey's mom.  It is just how the chips fell.  Within a week LE knew something terrible had happened to Lindsey.  Profilers said she knew the person who did this to her.  Two residents that we know of came forward.  One became suspicious about him due to a change in his normal activity and the other placed his noisy car at the last place Lindsey was seen and within the proper time frame.  Major.

Then the coup de grace came for LE about a month down the road when the GF talked to LE.  By then I think the FBI hauncho from Seattle had discovered allot from her MS accounts and it led to the fingers of friends and connections were made.  From that point on they have been building a case IMO, putting dots together to show probable cause and thru a very visable search with warrants in hand, put him on the local radar so they can now learn enough to send them in the right direction, leading to Lindsey's discovery.

Like you say in so many words, how could all of these people be wrong about what they said in reference Dale.  We have not heard one retraction from what was said in the Affidavit except from the family, which is to be expected.

And 3 mos is really a very short time IMO for LE to come to the point where they are now IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 04:34:52 AM
Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 05:59:18 AM
Does any monkey know...

If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:15:34 AM
Does any monkey know...

If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

Thank you!
I don't know because I thought they were still analyzing the property seized?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 11:18:59 AM

After three months ... logic dictates that the no hard evidence would be located.  The foundational reasonings that justified a judge signing off on the search warrant was known very early on in the investigation.  What took so long for LE to act?

Janet

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No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.   ::MonkeyEek::  It could take months to get answers  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And it looks like they didn't clear Dale, if they are saying that there is a chance the evidence could implicate him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 11:24:54 AM
Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT

 newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 

 


Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.

Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

Anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum should call 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us. Information may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, 98557.

The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum at: http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm.

http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
Does any monkey know...

If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

Thank you!
I don't know because I thought they were still analyzing the property seized?  ::MonkeyConfused::

That is what the news report stated last night.  Investigators are waiting for results of testing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
From above article that Northern Rose posted.   ::MonkeyEek::   A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
Does any monkey know...

If DG is no longer a POI, would the seized property be returned?  And if so, how long does that usually take? 

Thank you!

It would make sense if Dale's POI status has changed at this point in time ... the seized items would be returned.  However ... according to the following article ... it is not going to happen.

Janet

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<snipped>

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:42:40 AM
y'all realize that this case is making me insane.  if he did have her in his car, she would be in the front seat.  del sols have no back seat an the trunk is the size of a postage stamp. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 11:43:05 AM
From above article that Northern Rose posted.   ::MonkeyEek::   A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.   ::MonkeyEek::

I wanted to add, if this was brought up before about a similar vehicle like Dale's car was spotted shortly before Lindsey's disappearance, I missed it with so much to read, but this is huge I think. He has a car that not many people have  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 11:44:53 AM
y'all realize that this case is making me insane.  if he did have her in his car, she would be in the front seat.  del sols have no back seat an the trunk is the size of a postage stamp. 
Yes, but he might have said to her if indeed he did this, that he was going to give her a ride home, and maybe, just maybe, said to her before I take you home, would you like to go for a ride?  ::MonkeyEek::  My imagination is on overtime right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:49:08 AM
i feel ya no rose.  im at the point where im just ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
i feel ya no rose.  im at the point where im just ::MonkeyConfused::
And why would Dale feel the urge to follow Melissa Baum? I'm going to walk the dog and try to digest this  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 12:12:12 PM

Wyks~Like I stated earlier I mainly only read here because it's too confusing, but maybe you or someone else could help me with a question. Is Kona related to LB, or anyone in this investigation other than her son? Or is she just a local that wants to  find Lindsey. I guess I'm just curious as to why she just started posting last month.......well, curious about many things but this one in particular ::MonkeyBike::

IM - From what I understand, Kona came into SM as a local poster, who just wanted to do what the majority of us try to do, help in whatever way we can.  I don't think she's related in anyway to anyone else (except her son), in this investigation.  Seems she got caught up in the weirdness when she and/or her actions were questioned by another local poster over yonder, and then others, and then it snowballed from there.  Evidently in the meanwhile, as bad luck would have it, back in July LE already had their eye on her son and his activities.  Am not certain if she was even aware of that when she began posting online (here and over yonder, dunno where else if any) and volunteering her time etc. 

That's my take on it, anyway, and I could be wrong in some of the particulars.  This has become a huge mess!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Kona was aware that LE was looking at Dale because LE had called her home at the end of July,wanting to do a phone interview with Dale.Kona said Dale was sleeping then a 30 minutes later Kona called LE back and said Dale woke up,Kona told him LE needed to talk to him,Dale told Mom Kona that he wasn't even working at the BeeHive on June 26th and then left the house.
Kona then told LE all of this and gave them Dale's cell phone number.
So yes,Kona was very aware that LE had their eyes on Dale.....probably from the time Lindsey disappeared.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
 Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 04, 2009, 12:23:07 PM
I am of two minds on this.
I am thinking of two famous cases here in Canada where persons were
"liked" by LE and the evidence was made to fit. All the way to long prison terms for two innocent men. They are both free right now and what came out in the Royal Commissions was startling. Sure, there were reasons that these two individuals were looked at and when they found evidence to exonerate and not take to trial, that was withheld. It went all the way to the Attorney Generals of two different provinces. Huge settlements. In the millions for wrongful prosecution. 
So, it does happen.
DG's family can do nothing at this point except keep quiet and see what returns from the labs. No one was arrested or taken into custody. We can ask questions and have a debate, but I am not ready to send anyone to old sparky. Yet. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 12:29:30 PM
I am of two minds on this.
I am thinking of two famous cases here in Canada where persons were
"liked" by LE and the evidence was made to fit. All the way to long prison terms for two innocent men. They are both free right now and what came out in the Royal Commissions was startling. Sure, there were reasons that these two individuals were looked at and when they found evidence to exonerate and not take to trial, that was withheld. It went all the way to the Attorney Generals of two different provinces. Huge settlements. In the millions for wrongful prosecution. 
So, it does happen.
DG's family can do nothing at this point except keep quiet and see what returns from the labs. No one was arrested or taken into custody. We can ask questions and have a debate, but I am not ready to send anyone to old sparky. Yet. 
::MonkeyAngel:: made me want to give you a  ::MonkeyKiss::....
this case is a mess and has been from the first day.  at this point in time i think the whole town is in on it.  im really so ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 12:34:03 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   ::MonkeyWink::

Kona was also posting at InSessions first under her Kona name then after the fallout or whatever with JenniferO,she posted under the sn Adam12.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 12:37:56 PM
I am of two minds on this.
I am thinking of two famous cases here in Canada where persons were
"liked" by LE and the evidence was made to fit. All the way to long prison terms for two innocent men. They are both free right now and what came out in the Royal Commissions was startling. Sure, there were reasons that these two individuals were looked at and when they found evidence to exonerate and not take to trial, that was withheld. It went all the way to the Attorney Generals of two different provinces. Huge settlements. In the millions for wrongful prosecution. 
So, it does happen.
DG's family can do nothing at this point except keep quiet and see what returns from the labs. No one was arrested or taken into custody. We can ask questions and have a debate, but I am not ready to send anyone to old sparky. Yet. 
Sure does happen, and I will sit back and wait, in my mind I have suspicion on a couple of people. This all could have been in haste to solve the crime, I don't know, but I'm bothered by Dale's car in the vicinity before Lindsey's disappearance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 12:38:40 PM
Wyks~  a quick note about joining dates at SM...

There is a very long waiting list to join SM.  It's possible Kona could have applied way before September 1st, before getting approved.  Klaas told me not too long ago there were about 700 or so waiting to join.  So I don't know how quick a turn around it would be from requesting membership to approval to posting.  And some are approved and don't post for a while.  Just adding that bit of information, FWIW

That's true, Muffy, thanks for the reminder! 

For whatever reason, I dunno, it seemed to me that she had actually been posting alongside of us for a lot longer than she had.  I was surprised to see that it's only been a month.  Am gonna go look over yonder, LOL.  Maybe that's where I was reading her posts earlier than when she joined here, dunno.  But I don't post over there, so I wouldn't have had the feeling of posting alongside of her.  Hope that makes sense.   ::MonkeyWink::

Kona was also posting at InSessions first under her Kona name then after the fallout or whatever with JenniferO,she posted under the sn Adam12.
Oh  ::MonkeyShocked:: that was her also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tams on October 04, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
Good morning friends -

Wow. The list of things to be suspicious about regarding this DG character, the focus of the recent LE search, is huge. Waaaay too many hinkey activities / circumstances to ignore . . . the dedicated and caring monkeys here would NEVER just simply bypass such incriminating information in our search for a missing child on any other case - ever. And goodness knows LE/FBI knows even more than we do.

To stop any discussion or research on this person simply because someone said they felt it was 'ridiculous' would be exactly that . . . ridiculous. From what I have gleaned in my time here at SM, it is expected that all monkeys are very diligent in providing backup & links to verify their statements or accusations. All else is considered opinion - which certainly seems welcome here as well (and so often leads to fantastic collaborative sleuthing / brainstorming). That's how all of our big collective concerned monkey brains work together to hash all of this out, find a missing child, & hopefully bring a perp to justice. Eyes wide open & no stone unturned - - - all while holding hope in our hearts. N'est ce pas?

Ergo: one opinion that this search is 'ridiculous' is simply that - another opinion. Fair enough. We should weigh it in along with all other opinions, as we always do. Part of the whole process as we dig, discuss, and deliberate some more.

IMHO, there could likely be a strategy involved in LE backing off of DG a bit now; as speculated by others, it could involve stirring the pot & standing back to observe, hoping it will illicit further activity or statements - or simply waiting for forensic test results. Or parsing public statements carefully due to threats of impropriety and lawsuits.

Been bothering me, & just wanted to weigh in - for what it's worth. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 12:43:46 PM
Thanks Tams, very good post. I'm thinking also there must be some strategy to what LE is doing, at least I think there is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
Shortcake...what is you theory?

Hi Mamacrazy.  I just don't know but I went back to when this search broke and some of the posters (one in perticular) vowed to do everything they could to prove the innocense of the search location person(Kona).  Strange post to say the least.  Since then we have been run all over town and away from the Kona residence.  I just think there is a lot to research to do out Foreman Road.  Like this Jessy person who may live right next door to Dale.  If so, WOW.  shortcake

Here are all the neighbors on Foreman:



  Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523120010  TOOMPAS DAVID A & RHONDA L 82    FOREMAN RD 
180523120020  CRANE TERENCE R & JEANETTE C 80    FOREMAN RD 
180523120030  MEYER JANEAL C  110    FOREMAN RD 
180523120060  BELCHER COREY & MICHELE  78    FOREMAN RD 
180523120070  RAUB MARY M 88    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080A VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523120080B VANWORMER JILL 102    FOREMAN RD 
180523130020  CRAWFORD DALE L ET AL 95    FOREMAN RD 
180523210010  CHEHALIS VALLEY TIMBER  114    FOREMAN RD 
180523210040  SCHEEL CHRISTOPHER & MINK J  136    FOREMAN RD 
180523220020  TUTTLE DAVID A & KAREN L 130    FOREMAN RD 
180523230010  KINNEY STEVEN D & SHEA BEVERLY J 142    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180524230040  KARR RICHARD ET AL 15    FOREMAN RD 
 


What I found on a earlier post was RSO Jessy D Braun  100 Block of Heslep Lane(right off Foreman Road).  Please some local clear this up?

On google maps, Heslep is very close to Foreman, but doesn't back up to it. Remeber the white car mentioned............did anyone ever say what type of car the girls saw?
Someone at WS mentioned a Ford Taurus station wagon,made in the 90's with round headlights.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 12:55:08 PM
pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Thanks Janet, I found it and Heslep Ln and Foreman road back up to each other.

Parcel   180514410080 
 Situs Address   00100 HESLEP LN MCCL
  Legal Description   LOT 10 SURVEY VOL 5 PG 133 (AKA LL 96-0237 VOL 1 PG 11) 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner   HODGES FAMILY TRUST  File Updated   10/2/2009   16:05
Address   C/O KEITH HODGES TRUSTEE  Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 14
   8500 OLD HWY 99 SE
OLYMPIA , WA 98501
Total Acres   5

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180514410080

Interestingly when you google 100 Heslep Lane mccleary you get :

Harp Turkey Ranch
and
Robins Eggs & Other clean foods.
Someone on WS said that they always list RSO and SO in the 100 block of the street they live on.I don't know if that is true but it seems to be.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 12:55:59 PM
Wonder who has a Ford Taurus 90's model station wagon?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.
I'm wondering why only the words"person of interest"is in quote marks and not the whole sentence"A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest" and there is no named LE stating this,just a general GHCSO?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 01:24:21 PM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.

They have no evidence is the reason.  I've stated everything as to how I know about this and what I know about it all.  I think it didn't take long for the police to figure it out either once people started saying they had never said what that warrant said they said.  They also found nothing, the dogs hit on nothing, the statements they had people saying in the search warrant probable cause, they people never said that at all.  His gf went on the news saying she never said it.  People were shocked it was said things they never said.  No matter what anyone wishes to believe he has credible witnesses who knows where he was both before and after the time lindesy went missing, with no times in between time he is not accounted for.

Someone wanted this kid to be the perp, they did everything to make him be the perp, but he isn't.  That is all there really is to it.  I was watching it happen for the most part. I'll say it again, it's all ridiculous.  You all know how much I research, and if I thought for one minute there were a chance at all he was the perp, I would tear him apart.  He's not it.  Someone was trying their best to make him "fit", and they were trying to make up thing to "make" him fit, and why they police would write out that so and so said this or that when they never said it at all, is beyond me, but they did. And not for just ONE of the poeople on the probable cause but for most all of them.  Now that is just plain bizarre, but it is exactly what happened.  I think the police really want this case solved... But they really need to get the RIGHT person.

I an others who are working with me are compiling everything at this time and once we have it all organized we will do something with it.  So I don't have any time beginning tomorrow, so if you don't see me answering you, that is why.  We have to get back to the work and focus on that now.  And hopefully, something happened about where I wanted searched. If not, then I have to find out how to get that info out here too.  But first there is someone I promised ( a professional) that I would not share certain info, so I have to get that straighted out as well...

so I have a ton of stuff to do, so please don't think I am avoiding answering you.  I just do not have time.   
Hopefully the LE didn't use the same dogs that didn't pick up Lindsey's scent on Maple street.
I know you won't answer me but I'll ask anyway.DD,how do you feel about Dale the 14 yo showing porn to the kids he was babysitting(including his younger brother Adam)and attempting to rape a 12 yo girl he was also babysitting?Or did that not happen either?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 01:40:57 PM
I'm the last person that wants to see a person railroaded of a crime, but it is hard for me to imagine that some of the things said about Dale in the SW isn't the truth, it just can't be all lies, I'm not buying it. And I know a person isn't supposed to go by looks of a person, but I do it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, Dale is creepy to me, period. I want and need to hear more, and will be waiting to read your info DD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 01:43:05 PM
Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!


Thanks Donuts
Tamra is Tamra White,Tena Golder's sis-in-law(the one who used to or still does live across the road from the Golder's).Tamra's son must have went into the service this past January so AG(Dale's younger brother)is either now in the service(I thought I saw a picture of AG in is service clothes)or he has was scheduled to leave in July,didn't make weight and is now in the service.
So again,if all of that is true,who was the 4th adult LE questioned at the Golder home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 01:52:06 PM
Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!


Thanks Donuts
Tamra is Tamra White,Tena Golder's sis-in-law(the one who used to or still does live across the road from the Golder's).Tamra's son must have went into the service this past January so AG(Dale's younger brother)is either now in the service(I thought I saw a picture of AG in is service clothes)or he has was scheduled to leave in July,didn't make weight and is now in the service.
So again,if all of that is true,who was the 4th adult LE questioned at the Golder home?
Wish we knew, and I suppose the other son is named Adam, hence the Adam12 nic at IS?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 01:57:44 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:00:48 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
All that has been said, is the girl and her brother's mom is/was friends with Dale's mom. That poor girl I can imagine how traumatized she is, thank God he didn't rape her, but just the fear of all that was going on  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I also would have callen the cops, but she had her reasons not too, but I bet if she could do it over she would do it differently.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 02:01:29 PM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.
I'm wondering why only the words"person of interest"is in quote marks and not the whole sentence"A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest" and there is no named LE stating this,just a general GHCSO?

OK Karma.  I give up.  What is "a general GHCSO".

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I just got in from a 9:00 AM Autumn kick-off service.  It was held outside.  Granted is was a beautiful sunny morning but ... I was soooo cold.  The young man in front of us gave his wife his jacket and put his arm around her shoulder.  My hubby did neither.  I guess things change after 43 years.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning All.

Janet
11:00 AM PT 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:04:24 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:05:50 PM
I still cannot get past the fact that if DG took Lindsey and she is no longer with us (which I pray is not the case), why in the world would he start following Mom Baum around. It was a huge risk at best and am I missing something? I know perps like to insert themselves into cases but this goes above and beyond that. Was he trying to intimidate her and if so, why? It is driving me bonkers! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:07:16 PM
Saw this posted on Oct 3 by Tamra on Dale's GF's myspace:

TO ALL YOU NOSY PEOPLE, I AM VERY PISSED OFF RIGHT KNOW!! I AM T.T. THAT YOU HAVE LISTED IN YOUR FORUM......AS FOR MY SON BEING IN THE MILITARY HE LEFT THE 1ST OF JAN., NOT SHORTLY AFTER LINDSEY DISSAPEARED!! WHEN LINDSEY DISAPPEARED HE WAS 2 MILES OUT OF MOSUL, IRAQ SO YOU NEED TO GET YOUR DAMN STORY STRAIGHT!! AS FOR A.G. HE WAS TO LEAVE IN JULY AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!! SO LETS GET BACK TO THE RIGHT TRACK!! IT'S LINDSEY WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!


Thanks Donuts
Tamra is Tamra White,Tena Golder's sis-in-law(the one who used to or still does live across the road from the Golder's).Tamra's son must have went into the service this past January so AG(Dale's younger brother)is either now in the service(I thought I saw a picture of AG in is service clothes)or he has was scheduled to leave in July,didn't make weight and is now in the service.
So again,if all of that is true,who was the 4th adult LE questioned at the Golder home?
Wish we knew, and I suppose the other son is named Adam, hence the Adam12 nic at IS?
Aah NoRose,I never connected that Adam12 to AG(good thinking!),just to Kona....hhhhmmmmm......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: melisb on October 04, 2009, 02:07:24 PM
i feel ya no rose.  im at the point where im just ::MonkeyConfused::
And why would Dale feel the urge to follow Melissa Baum? I'm going to walk the dog and try to digest this  ::MonkeyConfused::



Dunno...possible intimidation???? Your checking me out so I'm gonna follow you too and scare you or a ginuine feeling of someone out to get him?  It's anyone's ballgame at this point.  But I still don't like the KaraK to MB timing according to them.  Want them checked more.  What families aren't raked over the coals several times before even looking for a perp.  These peeps were looked at for only a hot minute.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:08:18 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 02:12:49 PM
i could kick any 'friend' to the curb if their kid was hurting mine.  in a second.  heartbeat.   friendship holds no water if my kid is in danger.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:14:56 PM
i could kick any 'friend' to the curb if their kid was hurting mine.  in a second.  heartbeat.   friendship holds no water if my kid is in danger.
Agreed, did she think the watching of porno was proper? Wonder the ages of the other two kids that Dale was babysitting for?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
Hi MamaC
1)Dale Golder was a 14 year old babysitter.He was babysitting the 12 year old girl and his younger brother AG and a couple of other kids.
2)I don't know who's house he was babysitting at.
3)I don't know if the porn was already in the home or he brought it with him.
I am hoping that was the end of his babysitting career but you never know,he was/is working at a youth camp.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 02:16:35 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.
maybe 'cause they're snooping around?  im not ruleing him out but im not gonna say it was him.   until i see an adult arrest record i can't judge what happened when he was 14.  i remember being 14  ::MonkeyDevil2:: and i remember being 12 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: melisb on October 04, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:18:15 PM
No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Case

After confirming they were looking at him, Police change their tune and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

Web Reporter
October 3, 2009

 
MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.


http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story

I hate to even ask this question because I know you have researched this case to the nth degree, but is it possible they are stating that since they are facing a lawsuit from the family at this point.
I'm wondering why only the words"person of interest"is in quote marks and not the whole sentence"A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest" and there is no named LE stating this,just a general GHCSO?

OK Karma.  I give up.  What is "a general GHCSO".

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I just got in from a 9:00 AM Autumn kick-off service.  It was held outside.  Granted is was a beautiful sunny morning but ... I was soooo cold.  The young man in front of us gave his wife his jacket and put his arm around her shoulder.  My hubby did neither.  I guess things change after 43 years.

  ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning All.

Janet
11:00 AM PT 
LOL....good morning/afternoonie Janet

GHCSO=Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.
Hi MamaC
1)Dale Golder was a 14 year old babysitter.He was babysitting the 12 year old girl and his younger brother AG and a couple of other kids.
2)I don't know who's house he was babysitting at.
3)I don't know if the porn was already in the home or he brought it with him.
I am hoping that was the end of his babysitting career but you never know,he was/is working at a youth camp.   ::MonkeyEek::
  ::MonkeyEek::  OMG, I can't let my mind wonder to that youth camp  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:22:01 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:23:10 PM
I still cannot get past the fact that if DG took Lindsey and she is no longer with us (which I pray is not the case), why in the world would he start following Mom Baum around. It was a huge risk at best and am I missing something? I know perps like to insert themselves into cases but this goes above and beyond that. Was he trying to intimidate her and if so, why? It is driving me bonkers! ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm not confused about that,I just look at all of his behavior as a whole.
The being obsessed with Lindsey's disappearance
The lying alibis
The weird and totally unusual phone usage on the night Lindsey disappeared
The being 23 years old and still getting disciplinary actions taken against you on your job
The past teen behaviors


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:25:03 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.
maybe 'cause they're snooping around?  im not ruleing him out but im not gonna say it was him.   until i see an adult arrest record i can't judge what happened when he was 14.  i remember being 14  ::MonkeyDevil2:: and i remember being 12 ::MonkeyDevil2::
I remember that age also, but I was so naive, that if anything like that happened I would be scared for life. I had a very sheltered life until I left home at 18, and I had a very rude awakening  ::MonkeyEek:: I have no idea what Dale has done after this incident, and I have no idea who is responsible for Lindsey's disappearance. But I'm looking at him and a couple others, and hopefully there will be a resolution soon. There will be another search today, so maybe something today.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.

I think this is very possible.  The only logical explanation for the mother not doing any about it is that the girl wasn't so innocent in the situation.  IMO

I still would like to know if DG has been asked or has volunteered a polygraph.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:25:46 PM
Maybe DG was babysitting at the girls house. Maybe the porn was already there and available. Perhaps that is why the mother never reported it. I wonder if DG ever got any professional help after that situation, or was it just hushed up and brushed under the rug?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 02:26:02 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:26:03 PM
I still cannot get past the fact that if DG took Lindsey and she is no longer with us (which I pray is not the case), why in the world would he start following Mom Baum around. It was a huge risk at best and am I missing something? I know perps like to insert themselves into cases but this goes above and beyond that. Was he trying to intimidate her and if so, why? It is driving me bonkers! ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm not confused about that,I just look at all of his behavior as a whole.
The being obsessed with Lindsey's disappearance
The lying alibis
The weird and totally unusual phone usage on the night Lindsey disappeared
The being 23 years old and still getting disciplinary actions taken against you on your job
The past teen behaviors

I'm right along side you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 02:27:09 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.

The allegations in the SW are from numerous people.  Can they all be connected in some way which has us at a point to a railroad of one individual? Possible but not probable.  You have:

His boss from the camp at Elma that gave him some "think time"
Coworker at the BeeHive
LE
Judge
12 year who is now an adult that was babysat
The tomatoe plant neighbour
Witness that saw his car on maple
Cell pings and activity

So do all these people have a connection not only to each other but also each has a grudge big enough to get together to conspire against one person and point fingers?  Even if you take all the people out of it, the cell phone activity would not conspire.

JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 02:27:29 PM
hi karma  i liked the purple...but i understand. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
Yes,that's what it says in the search warrants.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:29:04 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
It was family friends. Dale was babysitting a 12 year old girl, her two brothers, and his younger brother.  Leroy, I sure wish someone would know about if Dale took a lie detector test, it is hard for me to imagine that at least he wasn't asked to take one, maybe he was and wouldn't. Or maybe never asked, whick would make zero sense.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
Maybe DG was babysitting at the girls house. Maybe the porn was already there and available. Perhaps that is why the mother never reported it. I wonder if DG ever got any professional help after that situation, or was it just hushed up and brushed under the rug?
Sounds like (if this is all true)IMO there was/is a lot of denial going on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:31:01 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
Yes,that's what it says in the search warrants.
Thanks, I need to go back and read that all again, which makes me wonder if the girl was struggling and perhaps screaming why the boys just sat there, but maybe they were too young to realize?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:31:36 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:31:59 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.

The allegations in the SW are from numerous people.  Can they all be connected in some way which has us at a point to a railroad of one individual? Possible but not probable.  You have:

His boss from the camp at Elma that gave him some "think time"
Coworker at the BeeHive
LE
Judge
12 year who is now an adult that was babysat
The tomatoe plant neighbour
Witness that saw his car on maple
Cell pings and activity

So do all these people have a connection not only to each other but also each has a grudge big enough to get together to conspire against one person and point fingers?  Even if you take all the people out of it, the cell phone activity would not conspire.

JMO

No way would all these people be railroading Dale, and your right cell phone activity would not conspire. And the cell phone activity was interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 02:33:48 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.

I think this is very possible.  The only logical explanation for the mother not doing any about it is that the girl wasn't so innocent in the situation.  IMO

I still would like to know if DG has been asked or has volunteered a polygraph.

Now that is a very good question!!  Anyone read anything about this? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 02:33:50 PM

<snipped>

GHCSO=Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office    ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Grandma Karma

I guess you might say I am "initial challenged".

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I consider Dale's changing stories to authorities regarding the evening/time that Lindsey went missing and the stalking incident involving Melissa Baum and ... then consider the sexual assult incident when he was 14 years old ... LE would have been negligent in not obtaining a search warrant.

This detective wannabe contends the changing stories and the stalking incident involving Melissa Basum which took place at the end of July should have motivated LE to do a criminal/computer search on this young man ... a criminal/computer search which would have revealed the sexual allegations.

WHAT TOOK LE SOOO LONG TO SEARCH THE HOMES AND PROPERTY WHERE DALE WAS RESIDING?

Something is not right.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 02:35:12 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
whats up>?  im confused.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:35:36 PM
Karma, I'm not DD, but I know one thing, I'm very upset by that behavior and that is putting it mildly. I believe it happened, and I believe the girls mother made a big mistake by not doing something about it. I read and I guess to some degree understand why she didn't do more. But anyone who shows porn to children while babysitting is bad enough, but then what else he did to the 12 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I will say it again, I have a bad feeling, something else was done to a girl, I have no proof of anything, just my feelings.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am right with you in your thinking NoRose.Yes,we may be overly paranoid but to me Dale's teen behavior sounds like a predator in the making.
Also,I will never understand a Mom who would cover up this type of behavior....either the girls Mom or Dale's Mom.
Who exactly is protecting our children?   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I just have way to many questions about all this, and if someone in town is trying to pin this on Dale, why? What has he or his family done to other people in town that they would go after him? There has to be a reason, and the issues between the family and the judge is not enough for me.

The allegations in the SW are from numerous people.  Can they all be connected in some way which has us at a point to a railroad of one individual? Possible but not probable.  You have:

His boss from the camp at Elma that gave him some "think time"
Coworker at the BeeHive
LE
Judge
12 year who is now an adult that was babysat
The tomatoe plant neighbour
Witness that saw his car on maple
Cell pings and activity

So do all these people have a connection not only to each other but also each has a grudge big enough to get together to conspire against one person and point fingers?  Even if you take all the people out of it, the cell phone activity would not conspire.

JMO

I just cannot believe that all of these people are lying.I guess I could believe that the lies are just from a couple in LE and the Judge but we only know what is put out there by LE......and DD is not at liberty to tell us what the truth is so we are stuck just believing what is put out there by LE.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:35:47 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 02:36:02 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::

Not sure what you mean here.  Do you mean several new posters joining at the  same time with the same agenda??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:36:12 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Okay i can see this happening...alot of rape victims believe this as well, so they dont report it.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:36:37 PM
hi karma  i liked the purple...but i understand. ::MonkeyKiss::
Hi MamaC
I miss my beloved purple but I understand too  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 02:38:51 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

It does sound like two different incidences. 

By the way,  What/who/where is InSessions?  I have never heard of them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:38:55 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

That's how I read it too.  so when did the parents find out about him making these kids watch porn? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:39:31 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?
Yes,that's what it says in the search warrants.
Thanks, I need to go back and read that all again, which makes me wonder if the girl was struggling and perhaps screaming why the boys just sat there, but maybe they were too young to realize?
Yes,I'll have to re read that part again because some parts of the warrants are confusing.
Dale's brother is 19 yo now so he would have been about 9-10 yo at the time.Dale is 23 yo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 02:40:03 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes  ::MonkeyWink::
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 02:41:30 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

It does sound like two different incidences. 

By the way,  What/who/where is InSessions?  I have never heard of them.
  http://boards.insessiontrials.com/  Lindsey is being discussed on a thread under missing and amber alerts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:42:08 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser.  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm either losing it, or does that sound like the incident being barricaded in his room happened on another day?

That's how I read it too.  so when did the parents find out about him making these kids watch porn? 

Geez, more than one incident? What the heck is the matter with these parents? Unless, none of the kids spoke up until AFTER the attempted rape incident. Which would make me ask, "why didn't they speak up"? Were they INTIMIDATED?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 02:44:47 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?

My eldest grandsons (10/11) are well aware of the boundaries established by their parents regarding the computer, the televisions and videos.  However ... those boundaries have been crossed on occassion when Mom and Dad have temporarily let their guard down in regards to supervision.

Some kids are easily influenced into making wrong immature choices.  That is why God blessed them with parents to establish and reinforce ...  to the best of their ability ...  guidelines for their wellbeing.

Janet

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:45:02 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes  ::MonkeyWink::
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry shortcake, but I'm still not sure what you mean.  If you think that some are feeling strongly for or against  certain people, well yes I suppose.

Personally, I go back and forth on everyone right now.  The "who to believe" in all this is crazy.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:51:42 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes  ::MonkeyWink::
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry shortcake, but I'm still not sure what you mean.  If you think that some are feeling strongly for or against  certain people, well yes I suppose.

Personally, I go back and forth on everyone right now.  The "who to believe" in all this is crazy.


Leroy  I went back and looked at the myestrious release of the Harry Oakes email amd have determined it looks like it was all set-up.  Emails from Harry actually started day before Janet got hers.  Very suspicious don't you think.  Lots more.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 02:55:32 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes  ::MonkeyWink::
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::
I'm sorry ShortCake,I'm not getting what you mean?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 02:57:39 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)

Hi Karma,
I would like to know the answer to this question myself! I also have wondered if maybe Jessy (the SO that lives near DG) is a foster child?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 03:00:13 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 03:08:46 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)
I've been wondering that also, she must be, otherwise why so many kids coming through the home in the past years?  ::MonkeyConfused::  Leroy, I love your avi  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:12:29 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Thanks Janet.  So this article is incorrect.  Wonder why the media reported that.

At any rate, even if they did find porn mags, I dont think it means much...IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 03:12:49 PM
 
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?


::MonkeyHaHa:: i still want to know who works at that newspaper. 
REALLY i want to know. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 03:13:22 PM
In searching for SO's in the area and their history I came across this   ::MonkeyMad::

7 indicted for child porn found at sex offender center
05:25 PM PDT on Thursday, September 17, 2009

SEATTLE - Seven more residents of Washington's Special Commitment Center for sex offenders pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

The indictments were unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The documents don't specify how the men supposedly obtained the child porn.

"Almost all the people charged possessed hundreds of images of child pornography. One in particular possessed over a thousand images. A majority of the images were in digital format. Some of them had printed out images as well," said Jill Otake, Asst. U.S. Attorney. She says many of the images were on CD's, DVD and on computer hard drives.

It's been an ongoing mystery at the center on McNeil Island. At least four other sex offenders have faced child porn charges before, and officials have said they don't know about the source.

The center is where the worst rapists and molesters go when they finish their prison sentences. You have to be classified a sexually violent predator to be locked up there. It does have personal computers with no access to the internet. The U.S. Attorney's Office says the men were able to view the smuggled porn on those same computers.

U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan would not give specifics about how the child porn got onto the island because it is still under investigation, but he says the mail system was involved.

"We have authority to fan their mail, but we can't even touch it. They fan it in front of us," said Kelly Cunningham, Special Commitment Center Superintendent.

Here's the catch: Those living at McNeil Island have been convicted in court and have served their sentences. So, by the law's standards, they are civilly committed, not criminals. That gives them rights that regular prison inmates may not have.

MORE.....


http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_091709WAB-AP-child-porn-sex-offender-center-TP.18c676f16.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 03:16:02 PM
Here is the part of the SW regarding the 12 year old girl/babysitting situation:

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

Thanks Leroy
Bolded above is a strange sentence:

She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos.

This sounds like it happened more than one time.While the kids watched porn Dale asked her to have sex with him,she refused.

Then one day he trapped her in his bedroom.So this happened at the Golder house.
Didn't I read somewhere that LE took a lot of kids clothes in the search warrant and someone from the Golder family stated that they have had like 15-20 children come through their home in the past years?
Does anyone know if Kona is a foster Mom?(please say no)

Hi Karma,
I would like to know the answer to this question myself! I also have wondered if maybe Jessy (the SO that lives near DG) is a foster child?
That is possible,Jessy could be a foster child but if he was being fostered by the Golder's he no longer is.I think Jessy is 16 years old.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 03:16:06 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Thanks Janet.  So this article is incorrect.  Wonder why the media reported that.

At any rate, even if they did find porn mags, I dont think it means much...IMO.

I remember reading about the condoms - 3 found in sunroom with liquid inside
as well as the porn mags, IIRC they were years old.  Let me go search for that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 03:18:37 PM
In searching for SO's in the area and their history I came across this   ::MonkeyMad::

7 indicted for child porn found at sex offender center
05:25 PM PDT on Thursday, September 17, 2009

SEATTLE - Seven more residents of Washington's Special Commitment Center for sex offenders pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

The indictments were unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The documents don't specify how the men supposedly obtained the child porn.

"Almost all the people charged possessed hundreds of images of child pornography. One in particular possessed over a thousand images. A majority of the images were in digital format. Some of them had printed out images as well," said Jill Otake, Asst. U.S. Attorney. She says many of the images were on CD's, DVD and on computer hard drives.

It's been an ongoing mystery at the center on McNeil Island. At least four other sex offenders have faced child porn charges before, and officials have said they don't know about the source.

The center is where the worst rapists and molesters go when they finish their prison sentences. You have to be classified a sexually violent predator to be locked up there. It does have personal computers with no access to the internet. The U.S. Attorney's Office says the men were able to view the smuggled porn on those same computers.

U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan would not give specifics about how the child porn got onto the island because it is still under investigation, but he says the mail system was involved.

"We have authority to fan their mail, but we can't even touch it. They fan it in front of us," said Kelly Cunningham, Special Commitment Center Superintendent.

Here's the catch: Those living at McNeil Island have been convicted in court and have served their sentences. So, by the law's standards, they are civilly committed, not criminals. That gives them rights that regular prison inmates may not have.

MORE.....


http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_091709WAB-AP-child-porn-sex-offender-center-TP.18c676f16.html

omg wtf?  someone got it to them?   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:19:08 PM
I've been wondering that also, she must be, otherwise why so many kids coming through the home in the past years?  ::MonkeyConfused::  Leroy, I love your avi  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks NoRose - I love it too  ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 03:23:41 PM
In searching for SO's in the area and their history I came across this   ::MonkeyMad::

7 indicted for child porn found at sex offender center
05:25 PM PDT on Thursday, September 17, 2009

SEATTLE - Seven more residents of Washington's Special Commitment Center for sex offenders pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal charges of possessing child pornography.

The indictments were unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle. The documents don't specify how the men supposedly obtained the child porn.

"Almost all the people charged possessed hundreds of images of child pornography. One in particular possessed over a thousand images. A majority of the images were in digital format. Some of them had printed out images as well," said Jill Otake, Asst. U.S. Attorney. She says many of the images were on CD's, DVD and on computer hard drives.

It's been an ongoing mystery at the center on McNeil Island. At least four other sex offenders have faced child porn charges before, and officials have said they don't know about the source.

The center is where the worst rapists and molesters go when they finish their prison sentences. You have to be classified a sexually violent predator to be locked up there. It does have personal computers with no access to the internet. The U.S. Attorney's Office says the men were able to view the smuggled porn on those same computers.

U.S. Attorney Jeff Sullivan would not give specifics about how the child porn got onto the island because it is still under investigation, but he says the mail system was involved.

"We have authority to fan their mail, but we can't even touch it. They fan it in front of us," said Kelly Cunningham, Special Commitment Center Superintendent.

Here's the catch: Those living at McNeil Island have been convicted in court and have served their sentences. So, by the law's standards, they are civilly committed, not criminals. That gives them rights that regular prison inmates may not have.

MORE.....


http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_091709WAB-AP-child-porn-sex-offender-center-TP.18c676f16.html

Thanks Northern
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 03:24:03 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?


the newspaper


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 03:29:53 PM
Just to add to the questions.  Wonder who Dale was babysitting that eventful day he tried to have sex with the 12 year old?.  Maybe a relative?  Some one in the neghborhood?  Could explain why the mother did not press charges against him.  Just wondering.  A bigger question is "Anyone here feel like we may be being played like a fiddle"?  Something is not right.  Reading past posts and putting 2 and 2 together,  I find some interesting post timelines.  Makes me feel like some posters may even be in the same cube?   ::MonkeyMad::
Hmmmmm.....I do feel like I'm in a rubeks cube sometimes  ::MonkeyWink::
Hi Karma.  I mean same cubical as in LE cubical???  Only way to explain some of the posts and things that happen here.  IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry shortcake, but I'm still not sure what you mean.  If you think that some are feeling strongly for or against  certain people, well yes I suppose.

Personally, I go back and forth on everyone right now.  The "who to believe" in all this is crazy.


Leroy  I went back and looked at the myestrious release of the Harry Oakes email amd have determined it looks like it was all set-up.  Emails from Harry actually started day before Janet got hers.  Very suspicious don't you think.  Lots more.

What do you find suspicious shortcake?

Janet
_____

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »


Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

Part 1:

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry
 

 Part 3 :

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
Part 4:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936546#msg936546


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Tamikosmom
Re: Beck Street
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 11:17:41 PM »


RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM[/b

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6118.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 04, 2009, 03:33:39 PM
I so do have a problem with TG going on the boards and posting after her son was questioned. You can read here or over at InSession without a membership. If she just wanted to do some sleuthing, she / they could just read. Also, public opinion on boards isn't going to make or break a case.
.. And wasn't there another search recently, around the old Feeser property ? Where we were told they took a bed ?   
That is why I am of two minds here and I think I just have to take a wait and see position. DG is not an SO nor is he registered as such. LE has probably looked at some SO's and RSO's around there who are also likely candidates based on their pasts. And been working down their lists. That is only effective if they are all living where they are registered at. In the John Evander Coeuy ( Jessica Lunsford ), he was not registered as living kitty corner from Jessica. And yet he was. LE down there started with a small circle
and then increased the size of that circle for RSO's. They went to Couey's last known address and found out that he wasn't there any longer. That started it and the chain came back to a relative of his where he had been staying. By that time, he was gone, but they found him and we all know the rest of that terrible story. Oh and a relative bought him a bus ticket out of town.
And sometimes LE and these other agencies can be stupid as in the Jaycee case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 03:34:07 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

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Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:36:33 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

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Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Thanks Janet. The SW's and receipts of what was taken are here

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: melisb on October 04, 2009, 03:36:38 PM
forgive me but i have questions...
1  who has a 14 yearold boy babysit a 12 year old girl?
2 who's house was he at?  his own?  theirs?
3 did the porn get brought over?  was it there all ready?

the only reason i have an issue with this is 'cause babycrazy is 5 but in years if i ever find her barricaded in her room and crying with an older boy (2 years = older) after i made him walk funny for the rest of his days i would be on the horn with the po po. 

not this non-reporting of stuff.

I agree here too.  Who would leave a hormone raging boy with a 12 year old.  My son is brought up manners and morals intact and I would even question a woman asking to leave my son with her daughter.  That picture just isn't right.  Don't jump on me, don't throw nanners but could the girl have made it up or been caught doing something and turned on the boy.  I just don't see a Mom with proof not going forward pressing charges.  Okay guys give it to me. lol  I mean no harm, not dumping on the poor little girl but just giving this guy some doubt in this instance only.
Hey, that could have happened, but I believe the now 21 year old girl was spoken to and she said it happened  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Have to wonder what the other kids that Dale was sitting for has said about it. I mean if this happened and Dale and the girl were in a room for two hours, what were the other kids doing, sitting there watching the porn?

My eldest grandsons (10/11) are well aware of the boundaries established by their parents regarding the computer, the televisions and videos.  However ... those boundaries have been crossed on occassion when Mom and Dad have temporarily let their guard down in regards to supervision.

Some kids are easily influenced into making wrong immature choices.  That is why God blessed them with parents to establish and reinforce ...  to the best of their ability ...  guidelines for their wellbeing.

Janet

Janet
 


Amen TM, Amen!  I would punish my child all the way to the police station if I found out he did something like that to a girl.  Since you say you are initial challanged I'd like to say hello from computer stupid! lol 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 03:37:01 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

++++++


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Here is the actual search warrant.  I am still looking for an official copy of the SW receipts.

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:41:39 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Try clicking on this link...it should let you view it without a password (i think)

http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

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Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Here is the actual search warrant.  I am still looking for an official copy of the SW receipts.

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf

Thanks Northern.  The receipts are here if you need them

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 03:42:50 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Try clicking on this link...it should let you view it without a password (i think)

http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe
Thanks Leroy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 04, 2009, 03:44:15 PM
I am still on the fence. I think I can say is I strongly feel Lindsey never made it home because of the fact we know people where out and about. I believe they placed her at the corner they say and use the witness account because people further down the walk, or line if you will, did not see her.

This does not look good for Dale Golder but I do wonder if some of these things are people looking for someone, and everyone being suspicious of everyone. You can say, he followed MB to intimidate her or you can say he followed her to see what she was up to, was she throwing out a body? YOu could say he was obsessed with the case because he wanted to keep one step in front of the investigators so he is not caught, or you can say he was interested as we all are. Lets face it many in that town and on the net are obsessed with this case, including all of us! lol. You can say he was giving an unconscious clue about what he did with Lindsey's body, or you can say his imagination got the better of him or he has been watching to many crime drama's. The allegations regarding the attempted rape of the 12 year old girl I am not sure because I can see a 14 year old boy trying to pressure a 12 year old girl into playing around and I can see a future sex offender in the making. So in relation to that one, I am on the fence but will say we need to context of the conversation and more details about this 12 year old and 14 year olds relationship. Oh and I will add, if the girl was younger then 10, I think my hinky meter would be higher.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 03:44:17 PM
Have to go shopping, hopefully some news on today's search when I get back.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 03:46:19 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

++++++


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Here is the actual search warrant.  I am still looking for an official copy of the SW receipts.

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf

Thanks Northern.  The receipts are here if you need them

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0

Read your post after I posted.  Ty and sorry about the double post.  LOVE your Avi!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes you do, but I grabbed them for you ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

++++++


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Here is the actual search warrant.  I am still looking for an official copy of the SW receipts.
http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf

Me too! 

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 03:49:43 PM
That was interesting  ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks IM  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 03:57:02 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes you do, but I grabbed them for you ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

If this young man was not a participant to any capacity in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... I hope all this exposure into his character ... expose that has caused him to be suspect is a wake up call to change his life around.  Maybe Dale will stop and think about the disgrace he has brought upon his parents.  Maybe Dale will stop and think about the betrayal he has brought upon those who have been his staunchest defenders in this ordeal.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 03:59:44 PM

 Q13 FOX News
 
After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

October 3, 2009

MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said. Copyright © 2009, KCPQ-TV

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story?track=rss



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:00:05 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:00:13 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes you do, but I grabbed them for you ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

If this young man was not a participant to any capacity in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... I hope all this exposure into his character ... expose that has caused him to be suspect is a wake up call to change his life around.  Maybe Dale will stop and think about the disgrace he has brought upon his parents.  Maybe Dale will stop and think about the betrayal he has brought upon those who have been his staunchest defenders in this ordeal.

Janet

Janet

Preaching to the choir Janet, I was especially offended by the "dog" sticker............the other's are vile but that to me is sacreligous and I almost didn't post it, but in the case of full disclosure thought it should be shown to show his character or lack thereof ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
Did DG change hia name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:05:52 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet

I was just pointing out that he MAY have previous experience in the courts.  I could not open the file either. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:08:44 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 04:11:00 PM

 Q13 FOX News
 
After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

October 3, 2009

MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said. Copyright © 2009, KCPQ-TV

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story?track=rss


bump


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Foreman road interesects into Old sand creek rd right at the parcel of DG's home..... ::MonkeyTongue::



http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=149+Foreman+Rd,+McCleary,+Grays+Harbor,+Washington+98557&sll=30.357975,-87.159334&sspn=0.132126,0.307961&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FZG5zQIdfeam-A&split=0&hq=&hnear=149+Foreman+Rd,+McCleary,+Grays+Harbor,+Washington+98557&ll=47.035963,-123.283628&spn=0.003261,0.01369&t=h&z=17


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Thanks IM.  I had thought I had narrowed it down to Grays Harbor distrct #1 but you got many more for the district #2.  Unless we can see the cases and DOB we have no  idea if all of these are the same person or even the same DG that was on the SW.  May just be a common name like Joe Smith.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 04:15:18 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes you do, but I grabbed them for you ::MonkeyTongue::
i love you island, i really do but to go after someone for this...heck, why don't we go after the person who made them? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet

I was just pointing out that he MAY have previous experience in the courts.  I could not open the file either. 

You have to go in and search by is name to find those I posted.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:16:15 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Foreman road interesects into Old sand creek rd right at the parcel of DG's home..... ::MonkeyTongue::



http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=149+Foreman+Rd,+McCleary,+Grays+Harbor,+Washington+98557&sll=30.357975,-87.159334&sspn=0.132126,0.307961&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FZG5zQIdfeam-A&split=0&hq=&hnear=149+Foreman+Rd,+McCleary,+Grays+Harbor,+Washington+98557&ll=47.035963,-123.283628&spn=0.003261,0.01369&t=h&z=17

Calica
 2 Aug 2009 17:20

Hey mama white!! I was just seein' how the festivities went this weekend!! Hope you guys had a blast! love you!! Imma try and convince D to take time off middle of this month so we can hang out again!!! Much love from the East side!!

http://www.myspace.com/turtletime98541


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:17:20 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Tamra

I hope that the SM Administration DOES NOT approve your membership if the above words are a reflection of what Monkeys will be subjected to..

There are often differing opinions in the cage and ... sometimes incorrect info is forthcoming but ... for the most part ... first considering your words prior to articulating a response is where it is at.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:17:24 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Thanks IM.  I had thought I had narrowed it down to Grays Harbor distrct #1 but you got many more for the district #2.  Unless we can see the cases and DOB we have no  idea if all of these are the same person or even the same DG that was on the SW.  May just be a common name like Joe Smith.    ::MonkeyCool::

Oh I agree, I just ook anyone with that specific name and left out the others with a different name. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???
I'm not positive the porn mags are not on the LE's list.LE didn't release that list yet right?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:18:37 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet

I was just pointing out that he MAY have previous experience in the courts.  I could not open the file either. 

You have to go in and search by is name to find those I posted.

.... and then what link do you get.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 04:19:27 PM
Quote
Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody" Baum said.

its a sad say when only 80 people are the largest turnout for the search.  for crimineys sake im in AR.  what is going on in wa state?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???
I'm not positive the porn mags are not on the LE's list.LE didn't release that list yet right?

I am still searching for an official SW receipt list.  Not found one yet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:20:37 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes you do, but I grabbed them for you ::MonkeyTongue::
i love you island, i really do but to go after someone for this...heck, why don't we go after the person who made them? ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyKiss:: you too~but I'm not going after him based on this, I find the SW/affadavit very disturbing and just posted these as they reminded me of CA's myspace bulletin board. In fact I;m not going after him at all, just exploring the possibility of any involvement and timing of certain aspects of this case ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 04:20:39 PM
The cell phone activity:  I have to say, after looking at DG's and SC's myspace accounts, it does seem like they hooked up on the day that Lindsey went missing.  Seems like she moved to the area, (maybe met him at that BBQ?..the SW mentions he was there with a female) gave him her number, he contacted her and from then on, you can see their posts to each other on their pages.  So although it sounds suspicious, if they were texting back and forth the night of 6/26, it does make sense.  SC said they stopped talking because DG had to be in at work at 10 pm. 

HOWEVER...he didn't go to work that night.  Or at least, he wasn't assigned to work.  Could he have gone in to pick up a paycheck?  But who goes in to work to pick up a paycheck at 9:30 PM? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:21:42 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Islandmonkey

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Tamra

I hope that the SM Administration DOES NOT approve your membership if the above words are a reflection of what Monkeys will be subjected to..

There are often differing opinions in the cage and ... sometimes incorrect info is forthcoming but ... for the most part ... first considering your words prior to articulating a response is where it is at.

Janet
::MonkeyKiss:: she may have her opinions but only a stupid person would ever call anyone stupid IMO! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 04:24:50 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???
I'm not positive the porn mags are not on the LE's list.LE didn't release that list yet right?
they did.
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:25:48 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet

I was just pointing out that he MAY have previous experience in the courts.  I could not open the file either. 

You have to go in and search by is name to find those I posted.

.... and then what link do you get.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

First you scroll down Find my court date, then accept and it takes you to this page:

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.fmcd&terms=accept&flashform=0



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 04:28:08 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???
I'm not positive the porn mags are not on the LE's list.LE didn't release that list yet right?

I am still searching for an official SW receipt list.  Not found one yet.

I dont believe LE has released them.  DD posted them though as she received them from someone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 04:28:54 PM
I'm confused about the search warrants.  The actual warrants have the names of DG and his girlfriend omitted.  The typed out version on WS does not have these names omitted, but does omit some names...like in the area referencing the tomato plants.  So who was passed out on the couch?  DG...or someone else?  Did anyone see a copy of the original warrant with names NOT blanked out?  If not, how did the poster on WS know where insert or leave out DG's name?

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 04:32:26 PM
I'm confused about the search warrants.  The actual warrants have the names of DG and his girlfriend omitted.  The typed out version on WS does not have these names omitted, but does omit some names...like in the area referencing the tomato plants.  So who was passed out on the couch?  DG...or someone else?  Did anyone see a copy of the original warrant with names NOT blanked out?  If not, how did the poster on WS know where insert or leave out DG's name?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I dont think so...i think names are omitted prior to being released to the media.  But I too wish they were on there.  Would make things alot easier to sort out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 04:33:07 PM
So porn magazines are not listed on the SW receipts.  Where did that info come from?

According to KIRO 7 ... the info came from LE.  Is the actual list of seized items listed on the search warrant?

Thanks.

Janet

++++++


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html

Here is the actual search warrant.  I am still looking for an official copy of the SW receipts.

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf
Same here Northern
I'm not seeing where that was released by LE.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:34:04 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Thanks IM.  I had thought I had narrowed it down to Grays Harbor distrct #1 but you got many more for the district #2.  Unless we can see the cases and DOB we have no  idea if all of these are the same person or even the same DG that was on the SW.  May just be a common name like Joe Smith.    ::MonkeyCool::

Norther Rose

You could be right. However ... on the other hand ... how many Golders have crossed your path.  I cannot think of one.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:34:32 PM
Karma - this is what DD said regarding the kids clothes:

Childrens Clothing
***bag of children's clothing; lived there 15 years; left          clothing there; had over 20 kids living there through the years

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0
Thanks Leroy,you are quick!Or I'm just really slow lol

Wait,was the search warrant combined for both Golder properties?And all the stuff they took would have been from both properties correct?

This sounds like the children's clothes were taken from the abandoned property.I wonder why so many kids lived there.

No problem Karma.  I am actually reading that thread right now and happened to just get to that part. 

Yes the SW was for both properties.  DD listed which items were found at which property.  Also, I didnt read far enough and answered one of my questions...here is what DD posted over there as well:

This is the abandoned house.  It was left about 5 years ago with a lot of stuff left there.  There has been people breaking in there over the years and even transients staying in there.  Someone even went in and tore the wiring out of the ceiling and the power company disconnected at the pole. 

They have had problems keeping people out of there.  It's known there are people going in and out of there illegally. 

The porn magazines are not on any list... but I am told there use to be an bunch of old 1970's playboys/similar(kind sold in stores) which use to belong to older relative.  No one has lived in that house for about 5 years.  So why they was said in the news ???? sensationalism I guess???
I'm not positive the porn mags are not on the LE's list.LE didn't release that list yet right?

I am still searching for an official SW receipt list.  Not found one yet.

I dont believe LE has released them.  DD posted them though as she received them from someone.

I did go to the one that is on the link you provided.  So many pages you can not read.  Was hoping the media or LE released them after the stories about them being posted were on the media sites.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 04:34:33 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Another thing about DG that makes me go  ::MonkeyShocked:: was looking at his bulletin board on his myspace, many of the "bumper stickers" talked about choking the bitch and mass murder etc., reminded me of Casey Anthony's website.
I haven't seen that, I'm guessing because you have to have a password to myspace, and I don't and my daughter has deleted hers, I was thinking I could use her password  ::MonkeyNoNo::
NoRose,you don't need a MySpace password to view a MS page.They can set their MS pages on private then only those on their friends list can view the pages.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:35:02 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Tamra

I hope that the SM Administration DOES NOT approve your membership if the above words are a reflection of what Monkeys will be subjected to..

There are often differing opinions in the cage and ... sometimes incorrect info is forthcoming but ... for the most part ... first considering your words prior to articulating a response is where it is at.

Janet

Thes pic's below are the parcel locations for TW and TG respectively.............very close


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Thanks IM.  I had thought I had narrowed it down to Grays Harbor distrct #1 but you got many more for the district #2.  Unless we can see the cases and DOB we have no  idea if all of these are the same person or even the same DG that was on the SW.  May just be a common name like Joe Smith.    ::MonkeyCool::

Norther Rose

You could be right. However ... on the other hand ... how many Golders have crossed your path.  I cannot think of one.

Janet

Me either, but you never know.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 04:37:29 PM
Video at this link about search this weekend...nothing really new

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story?track=rss


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Tamra

I hope that the SM Administration DOES NOT approve your membership if the above words are a reflection of what Monkeys will be subjected to..

There are often differing opinions in the cage and ... sometimes incorrect info is forthcoming but ... for the most part ... first considering your words prior to articulating a response is where it is at.

Janet

Thes pic's below are the parcel locations for TW and TG respectively.............very close

WOW!  Thanks IM!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Thanks islandmonkey.

Is there any way of checking out what these charges are all about.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
Thanks IM - yes they are very close.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:39:54 PM
Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Tamra

I hope that the SM Administration DOES NOT approve your membership if the above words are a reflection of what Monkeys will be subjected to..

There are often differing opinions in the cage and ... sometimes incorrect info is forthcoming but ... for the most part ... first considering your words prior to articulating a response is where it is at.

Janet

Thes pic's below are the parcel locations for TW and TG respectively.............very close

WOW!  Thanks IM!

YW~they are actually across the street from one another ::MonkeyTongue::


JANET~ I will see what I can find for you....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:41:12 PM
Did DG change his name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

Bumping this to get some thoughts about possible name change.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home

Northern Rose ... I cannot get anything from that link on Dale Allen Golder.

Janet


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5 


Thanks islandmonkey.

Is there any way of checking out what these charges are all about.

Janet

Doesn't look like it unless you order them:

Disclaimer


This information is provided for use as reference material and is not the official court record. The official court record is maintained by the court of record. Copies of case file documents are not available at this website and will need to be ordered from the court of record.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:45:03 PM
Did DG change his name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

Bumping this to get some thoughts about possible name change.

Would you also bump Lindsey's myspace that indicates a Alice Waters as a friend.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:47:26 PM
Did DG change his name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

Bumping this to get some thoughts about possible name change.


Wanted to add to this thougt, who was it that was going by Alice Walters on myspace ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: EverySunset on October 04, 2009, 04:47:51 PM
_______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


WTF?! :smt076


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:47:59 PM


Is there any way of checking out what these charges are all about.

Janet

Doesn't look like it unless you order them:

Disclaimer


This information is provided for use as reference material and is not the official court record. The official court record is maintained by the court of record. Copies of case file documents are not available at this website and will need to be ordered from the court of record.


Thanks islandmonkey

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:48:59 PM
Did DG change his name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

Bumping this to get some thoughts about possible name change.

Would you also bump Lindsey's myspace that indicates a Alice Waters as a friend.

Thanks

Janet

I would love to but I am truly challenged using the search .  I found mine by going back the 3 pages and reading.  Can someone please help and bump it?  Remember when we wanted to bring forward the timeline I did from Aug?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: San on October 04, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
GIVING EVERYONE A HEADSUP THAT THIS THREAD WILL BE LOCKING.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:51:46 PM
Did DG change his name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

Bumping this to get some thoughts about possible name change.


Wanted to add to this thougt, who was it that was going by Alice Walters on myspace ::MonkeyConfused::


Alice Walters was the friend on one of Lindsey's MS accounts.  I missed it if we figured out who it was.  http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 04:51:55 PM


Is there any way of checking out what these charges are all about.

Janet

Doesn't look like it unless you order them:

Disclaimer


This information is provided for use as reference material and is not the official court record. The official court record is maintained by the court of record. Copies of case file documents are not available at this website and will need to be ordered from the court of record.


Thanks islandmonkey

Janet

YW~but this does mean anyone who lives there could go and look at them ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
Post by: San on October 04, 2009, 04:52:12 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED2.gif)

Please move to Lindsey Baum # 6

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.0