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This is to make a central point for Beck street. That way we aren't scrolling through a big jumbled topic trying to pinpoint what we are looking for!

So far we know that the dogs traced a scent onto Beck street and also a death scent. <-- I'm curious the source, because I've been looking for it all over news information, and haven't found anything.

There are two households on Beck street that I recognize as being possible friends to Lindsey, as they have children that are approximately her age.

TamikosMom aka Janet wrote:

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

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RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

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RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.

I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet

Karma ... I apologize.  I must be going blind ... I did not see your post.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Jademoff

Thank you for creating this thread.

There can be no misunderstanding regarding my words or Harry Oakes' words.

Janet

You're very welcome, as this seems to be a hot topic that we are looking at.


Karma- Are you asking for all the addresses on Beck Street?

There are a few names on Beck I'm not familiar with. But the ones I do know, I have absolutely no suspicions about.

It probably was me that you are refering to. I saw a last name that I was curious about but I know exactly who it is now and am no long suspicious of them anymore.

I had heared about one of the local Shelton mens bodies being found recently 2 1/2 miles out of shelton. It was sometime back in July. But I don't think that it fits the mile radius in which the dogs picked up the scent.

http://www.columbian.com/article/20090730/NEWS06/307309986/Missing+Shelton+man+found+dead

This is the news article.

It probably was me that you are refering to. I saw a last name that I was curious about but I know exactly who it is now and am no long suspicious of them anymore.

I had heared about one of the local Shelton mens bodies being found recently 2 1/2 miles out of shelton. It was sometime back in July. But I don't think that it fits the mile radius in which the dogs picked up the scent.

http://www.columbian.com/article/20090730/NEWS06/307309986/Missing+Shelton+man+found+dead

This is the news article.

Is Kara referring to the scent detected on 16th Street search or ... the scent detected near Lindsey Baums home?

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.
 
Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »

I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394

Here is DD's map,resized by NewsJunkie and flipped by me

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Karmamapforgizzieflip.jpg)

Here is MikeB's photo taken from his plane.
Both show Beck Street in the upper left corner.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/BeckstMommsenst1stst.jpg)

I think she means the scent on Beck street as that is closer to Lindsey's house.

I am starting this thread to research who lives on 6th street in Mccleary.  Who are they connected to who might be sex offenders etc. 

Kara states early on the dogs were suppose to have hit on scent going up the hill on 6th.  Lindsey's mother has now suppose to be hiring another dog handler who states the dogs also alerted to scent about the same place. 

 

Karma

I was one with DD's contention that the 6th Street route was where Harry Oakes's dogs detected a scent.  However ... when I read Kara's posts again (see above) ... and consider the revelation of Harry Oakes' words ... I think you are right and ... it is Beck Street that is being referenced.

Janet

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I wanted to post this post before it disappeared from IS forum.

A post from Lindsey's Mom,Melissa in response to her having Michelle Bart(gag) from Helping Hero's helping her out with the search for Lindsey.

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LindseysMom:

I am Lindsey Baum's mother, I have not and will not be a regular poster to these blogs; however I would like to dispel a few rumors here on this thread:
You heard that nontaxable forms were being filled out for what reason?? and which circus are you implying?

For starters no one is paying Michelle Bart for ANY services at all in regards to my daughter Lindsey Baum, nor am I making any money from the media or anyone else. Michelle Bart has not asked for any money ever from me or even discussed "costs". She did come up this past weekend to volunteer for a search which I appreciate. She did not fly in, she lives local and drove out to McCleary only to help search! I have not signed any paperwork as was stated on this forum..

I have not and will not refuse any services that may assist in finding my daughter. This includes other national search organizations!

I don't personally believe that this is something to be looked down upon nor something that should be getting so blown out of proportion. For some here I know the concern is based on a genuine concern for Me and my daughter but some have taken rumor and simply ran with it. I pray that rumor was not started simply out of spite for Michelle Bart or me because there is no room or need for that in the search for my daughter. Lindsey is and should be the focus right?

As far as posting information online>
Do you really think posting any findings whether its from someone who is a registered searcher or someone searching on their own should post their findings???
I would hope not! This would only harm the investigation, and it is my understanding that if someone does this and it is related to Lindsey's case or another case for that matter, they can be charged with impeding a Federal Investigation.

There are REASONS the searchers are instructed not to post or share information with ANYONE. There is a very good chance that the person who has my child could be reading these blogs. Has that not occurred to you?? By sharing information on here, it would be a big fat warning to that person/persons. Also, there is other cases still open that aren't related to Lindsey, such as Nancy Moyer, and others. So something found that isn't related to my daughter could be related to another case, and should be treated the same way.

I don't mean this to sound harsh, only to get across the importance of these searches and the confidentiality of their findings!

As to the post about why I am searching. I do not expect searchers to find my childs body, as I truely believe she is still alive. My goal in these searches is to find something that can lead us to finding her or her abductor.

I would like to thank everyone who has come out to help in these searches. You have no idea the gratitude I feel for you all!

The same goes for those who have donated, time, services, money, etc.
And for those of you who would like to but are unable for whatever reason, just keeping my daughter in your prayers means the world to me!

Thank you all!
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http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=41

Missing Shelton man found dead

Thursday, July 30 | 5:15 p.m.

The body of a Shelton man who was reported missing June 10 was found in a creek.

The Mason County coroner told The Olympian that 42-year-old David J. Curtis apparently drowned accidentally.

He had been camping near Mill Creek and sheriff's deputies repeatedly searched the area after he was reported missing by his family. Divers found the body Wednesday in about 4 feet of water.

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That is so strange......Sheriffs deputies repeatedly searched the area yet didn't find him.....he was in 4 feet of water.I hope they didn't help GH search for Lindsey....repeatedly.

Think about the Caylee Marie Anthony case.  Tim Miller gave updates on the talk show circuit prior to and following each search ... updates informing all who would listen regarding "ping" locations that were being focused on prior to the discovery of the little girl's remains.  I cannot remember one objection to these updates.

Janet

Harry Oakes' words are confusing concerning Beck Street and the death scent.  I have read them over and over and over again attempting to make sense of them.

My understanding is that Mr. Oakes' was indicating that a deceased Lindsey was being transported on an ATV or a motor cycle on Beck.  I would assume the  search was conducted on foot when the dog/s are considered.

Harry Oakes does not mention anything about 1st Street in the email.  However ... I do speculate  that the route to Beck Street could have been 1st Street when you consider the location of the Baum residence.  Think about it.  Lindsey was thisclose to home when when she was observed the the witnesses.

The "or" tells me that Harry Oakes was uncertain to as to the type of vehicle.

IMO

Janet 

From my understanding of what Harry Oakes wrote back is that the dog caught onto the scent of death of a human body. Not for sure Lindsey, but some dead body. He also said ATV road. There are a lot of roads in the area like that. ATV= All Terrain Vehicle. Which could mean a number of things, mostly 4 wheel drive vehicles. Could be a jeep or a 4-wheeler or a sports bike. He was just talking about the type of road it was. And even if it's a road named for 4-wheel drive, doesn't mean that it was a 4-wheel drive vehicle that went up that road.

There are missing people in the area besides Lindsey, so that dead body could be any of them.

Mr. Oakes explains in the email that track was referring to the death scent not a MC or MTV track.

I could wrong but ... I believe Mr. Oakes was speculating that a MC or MTV could have been used to transfer a deceased person as the death scent was present for such a long ways.  If a body had been in an inclosed vehicle ... the scent would have been more difficult to detect.

Hey ... I am only speculating based on the words in the email which I am desperately attempting to comprehend.

Janet

I agree Jade, sure would like to think the LE gave that area of the death scent a serious search.  Thanks to Janet, I now believe the scent on the ATV was an open vehicle.  I am now leaning toward a pickup.  Maybe 4WD.  But why did Harry say motor cycle or ATV?  Wouldn't just ATV include offroad MC?  Makes no sense unless he seen MC tracks and they added to the report.  Strange.  Another area that jumps out at me is - "so far we've located two beer bottles and a track...".  The word "located".  This seems important for Harry to include in his response.  Maybe the bottles belong to the perp?  If so, this is HUGE.  Could crack the case.  Then again, I may be reading too much into his response.  Harry's report to the LE must have had them scratching their heads too.  shortcake

Anyone know what this is in this photograph from Googlemaps?

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/McClearyWANEofBeckStreet-1.jpg)

This is Janet's email response from Harry Oakes,a dog search and rescue team that came to McCleary at Melissa Baum's request.

Alright....... so going towards a 6 mile mark to the Northeast will put the detected scent in Mason County. The distance between McCleary and Kamilche is 15 miles. So roughly a little under halfway to Kamilche. So just a little OVER halfway to Kamilche are two areas which are on the map. Forbes and Marmac. And then I see a place called Stimson which is 3.6 miles away from McCleary. And just a little northeast of Stimson it looks like there is a road which turns into a 3 fork road, and it looks like unnamed roads. My guess is this is logging roads or the ATV roads that may have been searched, since those roads seem to travel up to the 6 mile distance. And just a little south of that road is Railroad tracks. And even further south of that is the Simpson tree farm. So the scents were basically located in the tree farm area or maybe on someone's property who lives in that direction.

What email?  TIA.

My take when I accessed the link is that the above words are a direct quote from an interview with Harry Oakes with a representative of "The International Canine Search and Rescue Service" and ... Oakes words are not a reference to any particular search ... just his policy.

In my opinion ... the interview with Harry Oakes is a very insightful read in more ways than one.

Janet

According to Harry Oakes ...

Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

When they refuse our offers to assist and the victim(s) family calls in, we then work for the family. If this embarrasses the law enforcement community, it’s not our fault. We’re just doing the job we’ve been hired to do.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

Melissa ... as far as I know nobody on this forum has identified the property currently being searched as belonging to you or Mark Duncan.

If I am reading the map correctly and ... Mark Duncan's property is located on N. Summit Road as indicated by Cluemaster ... the implication is that the curtent search is being conducted on the other side of McCleary.

When the location of Harry Oakes canine search in regards to Beck Street is considered ... in the process of elimination ... was Mark Duncan's property searched by investigators in the Lindsey Baum case.  I noticed that N. Summit Road intersects with Beck.

Melissa ... it is my prayer that today's events will bring closure and ... the justice process can begin.

Janet

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You are misinformed... summit lake road is entirely different than summit rd.. summit lake is east of mccleary in olympia out hwy 8

Sunshine.

If the witness sightings are credible ... Lindsey was at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM.  It was dusk ... almost dark ... at that time.

Considering the "death scent" and Harry Oakes indecision regarding the vehicles ... I am assuming Oakes is tracking on foot with a cadaver dog/s.

My understanding of Oakes email to me is that there was a "death scent" detected indicating that a deceased person may have been transported by some type of open vehicle.

I contend if the "death scent" was connected to Lindsey ... Lindsey was already deceased when she was on Beck.

Think about it.  Beck can be easily accessed from the Baum residence via First.

Janet

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