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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: Nut44x4 on September 28, 2009, 03:56:22 PM



Title: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 - 1/27/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 28, 2009, 03:56:22 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Did DG change his name along the way?  This from GF's MS. 

Travis Talley
 
20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

Bumping this to get some thoughts about possible name change.


Wanted to add to this thougt, who was it that was going by Alice Walters on myspace ::MonkeyConfused::


Alice Walters was the friend on one of Lindsey's MS accounts.  I missed it if we figured out who it was.

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Thanks Northern Rose.

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
 ::MonkeyFootball::
LEROY, I would have never recognized you if I hadn't see the size on your ears!  ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 04:57:22 PM
::MonkeyFootball::
LEROY, I would have never recognized you if I hadn't see the size on your ears!  ::MonkeyCheer3::


Fanny Mae!!

I have missed ya.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
::MonkeyFootball::
LEROY, I would have never recognized you if I hadn't see the size on your ears!  ::MonkeyCheer3::


Fanny Mae!!

I have missed ya.

Janet

Been a little under the weather, but I have been trying to keep up.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 05:01:31 PM
from the GF's MS.

First weekend with my Dale – View Photo

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=155284717&albumID=2388007&imageID=37851096


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 05:05:47 PM
three months and we only have 6 pages ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
Hi, and thanks for the new thread.

Last night I had a thought I was too tired to post about the comment a poster made here about Klaas saying SS like everyone in McCleary is still a suspect, meaning IMO that no one has been ruled out as of yet.

We've read that MB and Scott did take LDT's and the word was they were satisfactory in that there was no deception as I would read that.  Passed is the wrong word I know for a LDT.  Did we ever have a quote from LE that these 2 people have been cleared?  I know they both volunteered to take the test.

So my thoughts then went to Dale who was named as a POI.  I'm wondering if when he was contacted by LE on July 29th if he was taken to the station for that interview?  Also, was he given a LDT or did he maybe volunteer for one hoping to be cleared from any involvement? 

With the questions he had to be asked from whar we've read in the Affidavit, you would think he'd be very curious as to why, or else wondering how much they really knew.  I'd think that would be a telling factor in looking at him even tho any attorney would advise a client not to take this test as it isn't even admissable in court.


Ta


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 05:06:58 PM
why are we all so confuzzled?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 05:07:49 PM
Where is Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 05:21:49 PM
why are we all so confuzzled?


Well I can only speak for myself, but I stay confused on this thread which was why I never posted until yesterday.....What's your theory or take on his case ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 05:21:50 PM
Quote
Northern wrote:

Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 05:24:31 PM
Reposting from other thread the location of the homes of TG and TW, across the street from each other ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 05:37:26 PM
Reposting from other thread the location of the homes of TG and TW, across the street from each other ::MonkeyBike::
Thank you Island
Isn't the Golder homes 2 parcels.....040 and 050?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 04, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
why are we all so confuzzled?


Well I can only speak for myself, but I stay confused on this thread which was why I never posted until yesterday.....What's your theory or take on his case ::MonkeyTongue::
That's why I don't post here.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 05:41:55 PM
Reposting from other thread the location of the homes of TG and TW, across the street from each other ::MonkeyBike::
Thank you Island
Isn't the Golder homes 2 parcels.....040 and 050?


they have 2 parcel, both are 040a and one is 040b


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 05:44:29 PM
Reposting from other thread the location of the homes of TG and TW, across the street from each other ::MonkeyBike::
Thank you Island
Isn't the Golder homes 2 parcels.....040 and 050?



Here is the info from the tax site:

Parcel # Owner Situs Address
180523230040A GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 
180523230040B GOLDER TENA ET AL 149    FOREMAN RD 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
Quote
Northern wrote:

Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 05:54:16 PM
Quote
Northern wrote:

Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::








Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 05:57:41 PM
I do .  Do you believe DG is being set up and if so why? Did DG change his last name?   What do you think may have happened?

Sorry Monkeys - I am not hearing voice.  Since Tamra reads and has answered Karma just throwing this our there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 06:05:18 PM
why are we all so confuzzled?


Well I can only speak for myself, but I stay confused on this thread which was why I never posted until yesterday.....What's your theory or take on his case ::MonkeyTongue::
i have a gazillion but none hold water.  everything from satanist to kk.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 06:07:52 PM
why are we all so confuzzled?


Well I can only speak for myself, but I stay confused on this thread which was why I never posted until yesterday.....What's your theory or take on his case ::MonkeyTongue::
That's why I don't post here.

 ::MonkeyConfused::
OT/ LOL look at you jsm! ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 06:12:52 PM
why are we all so confuzzled?


Well I can only speak for myself, but I stay confused on this thread which was why I never posted until yesterday.....What's your theory or take on his case ::MonkeyTongue::

HELP!!!!! I've fallen and I can't get up!!!! My head is spinning. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
Reposting from other thread the location of the homes of TG and TW, across the street from each other ::MonkeyBike::
Thank you Island
Isn't the Golder homes 2 parcels.....040 and 050?


they have 2 parcel, both are 040a and one is 040b
Ahh,thanks Island


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
Quote
Northern wrote:

Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
Thanks for the response Tamra but I never talked about your son.I only talked about Dale Golder.I did get the inlaw info wrong and apologized for that.
You may have me mixed up with another poster somewhere.
So you don't think any of those sexual abuse allegations about Dale are true?
Thank you Northern


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 06:25:12 PM
Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 06:28:41 PM
Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake
Here you go ShortCake
It was listed under #6 I think.They are not in order.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 06:31:17 PM
I don't see it listed other but ... SM's trusty search engine directed me right to it.

Janet

+++++

Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
 I was going to do do some research and found it missing.  Maybe a tempoary glitch or just my computer? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake

It was filed in the Missing persons archives.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
Errrmmm.. Just a thought.. Not so sure it's a good idea to encourage the exchange of questions/answers between someone on a myspace acct and SM.   It could get confusing for some.  Might be good to wait til when/if that person gets approved as a member at SM, and can post here herself.   I dunno, just my two cents.   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 06:36:17 PM
I don't see it listed other but ... SM's trusty search engine directed me right to it.

Janet

+++++

Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0




Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09
in Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives

Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 - 10/4/09
in Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09

Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
in Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 06:40:23 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 06:40:34 PM
I don't see it listed other but ... SM's trusty search engine directed me right to it.

Janet

+++++

Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.0



Thanks Janet , and Karma.  But why archive that thread.  Maybe Klass can bring it back as it has a lot of interesting posts.  Especially for research.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 06:40:45 PM

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

Tamra

You must feel sick after reading the SW.  Have you talked to your kids.

Janet

+++++

SEARCH WARRANT

Originally Posted by momtective
 

While looking into Golder’s background it was discovered that in 2000 he was a suspect in the attempted rape of a child. The case was located under McCleary Police department case number 00MC0014. Golder was 14 years old at the time of the incident. It was determined that the victim of the assault was named ____________, she was 12 years old at the time. No reports of this incident appear to exist except a computer entry.
Investigators attempted to locate ____________. They first located her mother. Initially the mothe rsaid nothing like this ever happened involving her daughter. She was pressed and given details and she stated she didn’t believe anything had happened to her daughter. She said that when the police arrived to speak to her daughter her daughter told police nothing had happened.

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 06:46:28 PM
Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 06:46:29 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 04, 2009, 06:51:06 PM
A lurking monkey has a question. WHO is TamraTamra? TIA JSM  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 06:52:36 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?


Considering there was an apparent sighting of Dale's vehicle in the location that there were witness sightings of Lindsey after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... I believe you could be on to something Wyks.

Why happened to Dale's claim that he was asleep at the time when Lindsey would be on her journey along Maple.

Janet


Originally Posted by momtective  

On 08-26-08 investigators saw ___________in McCleary and contacted him about this case. He was asked to relate everything he had done from the time he got up on 06-26-09. He wrote a brief paragraph about going to a neighbor’s house____________) next door and planting tomatoes and having a BBQ. He said he went home about 9:00pm to watch television, but “passed out” and woke up in the morning. He claimed that he had been home and had not been in the town of McCleary that night. He claimed not to know Lindsey Baum and had never seen her before.

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Credit: Karma

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.

I thought that at first too!  But then realized that she posted on DGs myspace that night at 6:59p.  Also said in the search warrant was that she and DG spoke by phone at 9:26p, when she said he told her he had to go to work. 

(he lied to her, cuz he didn't go to work that night... plus he was supposedly 'passed out' on the couch from 9p on, yet was supposedly seen by someone around 10p over by the Beehive Center.   which version do we believe?). 

At any rate, going back to the phone records, and the myspace messages, doesn't seem like they were together that night.  But who knows for sure in this case!

 ::MonkeyConfused::
   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: San on October 04, 2009, 07:02:50 PM
Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake

I have moved it back to its proper place.  I put it in the high profile archives when I was locking threads.  Sorry about that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 07:03:45 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 07:06:33 PM
Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake

I have moved it back to its proper place.  I put it in the high profile archives when I was locking threads.  Sorry about that.

Thank you San.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 07:08:30 PM
Anybody have Lindsey Baum #4? on their computer.   My computer has #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, but no #4. Hmmmmmmm why?  shortcake

I have moved it back to its proper place.  I put it in the high profile archives when I was locking threads.  Sorry about that.

Thank you very much.  This is the thread I like to look at because of Kona's posts.  A couple details have me wondering and I need to do a little more research.  Man are you quick.  Less than 1/2 hour.  Thanks again.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
Quote
Northern wrote:

Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::







Well, that is interesting, not many guys that age are into babysitting  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 07:14:51 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




Interesting Wyks  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 07:15:45 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 07:16:19 PM
Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 



And isn't it strange that we don't know the name of the youth camp yet? It could very well be connected to the church.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 07:19:39 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.

I thought that at first too!  But then realized that she posted on DGs myspace that night at 6:59p.  Also said in the search warrant was that she and DG spoke by phone at 9:26p, when she said he told her he had to go to work. 

(he lied to her, cuz he didn't go to work that night... plus he was supposedly 'passed out' on the couch from 9p on, yet was supposedly seen by someone around 10p over by the Beehive Center.   which version do we believe?). 

At any rate, going back to the phone records, and the myspace messages, doesn't seem like they were together that night.  But who knows for sure in this case!

 ::MonkeyConfused::
   
The search warrant said Dale was texting SC at least 50 times that day(which was his normal phone activity...all day up until 1:00 AM)but got a call from SC at 9:26 PM,June 26th and Dale told SC he had to go to work now even though his regular days off from the BeeHive was Friday and Saturday nights and he was still on suspension from his youth camp job.
From 9:26 PM till 1:11 AM Dale had no cell phone activity.
At 1:11 AM he recieved a call from SC I think.
Dale has known SC for a few years,SC moved to Michigan then returned back to WA in May of this year.
SC has been communicating with Dale by computer but on June 26th,2009,she decided to give Dale her phone number and Dale sounds like he was stalking her by phone.
Dale is not the only POI I am focusing on.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!


You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 07:27:58 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!


You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.
Interesting, thanks  ::MonkeyCool:: Dale is not the only POI I'm focusing on either  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 07:28:29 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?


Considering there was an apparent sighting of Dale's vehicle in the location that there were witness sightings of Lindsey after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... I believe you could be on to something Wyks.

Why happened to Dale's claim that he was asleep at the time when Lindsey would be on her journey along Maple.

Janet


Originally Posted by momtective  

On 08-26-08 investigators saw ___________in McCleary and contacted him about this case. He was asked to relate everything he had done from the time he got up on 06-26-09. He wrote a brief paragraph about going to a neighbor’s house____________) next door and planting tomatoes and having a BBQ. He said he went home about 9:00pm to watch television, but “passed out” and woke up in the morning. He claimed that he had been home and had not been in the town of McCleary that night. He claimed not to know Lindsey Baum and had never seen her before.

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Credit: Karma

 

Yep, exactly! 

Someone is lying.  IMO. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 07:30:48 PM
Looks like Dale was frequently cruising McCleary until Lindsy went missing.  Then he abruptly stopped.  I don't see a real problem with this action.  He is probably scared.  If he quits or keeps it up he is ends up on the tip list.  Can't win.  I hope DD has a lot to help us understand why she believes he is framed.  I will try to hold my judgement until then, but it is not easy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 07:35:16 PM
Looks like Dale was frequently cruising McCleary until Lindsy went missing.  Then he abruptly stopped.  I don't see a real problem with this action.  He is probably scared.  If he quits or keeps it up he is ends up on the tip list.  Can't win.  I hope DD has a lot to help us understand why she believes he is framed.  I will try to hold my judgement until then, but it is not easy.
It isn't easy  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm waiting to see what DD has to say  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 07:36:10 PM
Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 



And isn't it strange that we don't know the name of the youth camp yet? It could very well be connected to the church.

.... and I wonder what the suspension was all about.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 07:36:43 PM
Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 



And isn't it strange that we don't know the name of the youth camp yet? It could very well be connected to the church.

Yesssss NoRose! 

There's a Black Lake Bible Camp & Conference Center in Olympia. 
(two interesting things there.. a 'lake' and that it's a 'bible camp')
http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/ (http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/)

Still looking for other camps in Olympia.

Wish we could find out the actual name of the youth camp, but dunno how to go about doing that.  I mean, who could we ask?  lol..  Might have to wait til more info from LE comes out in this case. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 07:40:55 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!


You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.

Three??   ::MonkeyEek::   Hmmmmm...  Wonder why that wasn't mentioned before, back during the convos that they owned 2 properties? 

This just gets curious'er and curious'er. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 07:41:32 PM
Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 



And isn't it strange that we don't know the name of the youth camp yet? It could very well be connected to the church.

Yesssss NoRose! 

There's a Black Lake Bible Camp & Conference Center in Olympia. 
(two interesting things there.. a 'lake' and that it's a 'bible camp')
http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/ (http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/)

Still looking for other camps in Olympia.

Wish we could find out the actual name of the youth camp, but dunno how to go about doing that.  I mean, who could we ask?  lol..  Might have to wait til more info from LE comes out in this case. 
 

I saw the Black Lake one mentioned on WS this morning or yesterday. It is so odd to me that some of this info we don't know, like some friend of Dale's saying something, or someone he worked with, just odd. Nobody coming out and saying, oh no he wouldn't do that, or someone saying he seems the type that would  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



I Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!


You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.

Three??   ::MonkeyEek::   Hmmmmm...  Wonder why that wasn't mentioned before, back during the convos that they owned 2 properties? 

This just gets curious'er and curious'er. 


I thought it just said 2 properties to be search were owned by golders.  I didn't go into their owning other properties because it would be irrevalant to the search, wouldn't it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!


You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.

Three??   ::MonkeyEek::   Hmmmmm...  Wonder why that wasn't mentioned before, back during the convos that they owned 2 properties? 

This just gets curious'er and curious'er. 

That's what the link says but I don't know if that's a fact or not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 07:45:08 PM
Karma, your new avi is very cute, but I didn't recognize you...I thought we had a new person posting!  LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 07:46:01 PM
Time to say goodnight you all.Have a good one.


Sending my best Angel to look over you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 04, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Karma, your new avi is very cute, but I didn't recognize you...I thought we had a new person posting!  LOL
That's my pretty Halloweenie avi that CBB made me a few/couple of years back....then she dressed it up.
Although that witch poking me in my back is getting on my last nerve lol
Have a good night you all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Time to say goodnight you all.Have a good one.


Sending my best Angel to look over you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::



I love your new AVI too Karma, it is exceptional.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 07:51:55 PM
There's just SO much to look at, in this case.  Not much in the way of actual factual, or which do we believe that to be?  As others have already said, it's real hard to believe that so many folks, incl professionals clear up to the FBI, would lie and be part of some kind of coverup.  But hey, guess it could happen, if there is something hugely major that no one wants to be outed.  Even so tho, this is a lil town.  That's hard to believe too.  lol  Jeezzz. 

But cell phone records don't lie.  Wish we could get copies of the actual records.  And the pings for those calls. 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 04, 2009, 08:00:46 PM
Quote
Northern wrote:

Well now - just did a drive by GF's MS site and there is a message left for us from today:

TamraTamra White 4 Oct 2009 12:00

GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID!!! THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...I AM NOT A SISTER IN LAW OF ANY KIND. MY SON HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR A WHILE AND HE WAS IN IRAQ. READ THE COMMENT BELOW BETTER. A.G. HAS BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A YEAR...HE WASN'T ABLE TO LEAVE WITH HIS UNIT (TO GO OVER SEA'S) DUE TO NOT MAKING WEIGHT!!  I WOULD POST IT ON SM, BUT I AM STILL WAITING APPROVAL WISH DOES TAKE A LOT OF TIME COMPARED TO THE OTHER SITES!! I LIVE ON A ROAD CALLED OLD SAND CREEK RD. AND THE HESLEP RD IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY ROAD IN ANY WAY!! IT IS A ROAD JUST PASSED THE OVER RAMP TO THE RIGHT!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica
From the last thread.
YIKES!!!!!  Nothing like being yelled at and in a excitable mood with a 100 !!!!!!!!!!!! :)
OK,I was wrong about Tamra/Tammy being Kona's sis-in-law.
I AM VERY SORRY!!!!

Maybe this can be answered on MS:
TW,has Dale Golder ever babysat your kids?

Karma I believe this is for you:

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:35

Sorry for calling you stupid...but when you bring my son in for a question it was not cool knowing I knew where he was.  I have 3 grown kids and one at home who is 11 and yes he has babysat for me

TamraTamra White Online Now! 4 Oct 2009 15:36

my back field faces foreman road up a ways from thier driveway

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica

OK, everyone stop and think for a moment.  Please take everything with a grain of salt.  We don't know who this person really is and we don't know the absolute facts about all this.  I'm just saying this back and forth 3rd party stuff is actually pretty silly when you think about it.

I'm not saying you can't bring the posts over here from Tamra's site, I'm just saying anyone can say anything.  You know what I'm mean?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 08:01:07 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.

I thought that at first too!  But then realized that she posted on DGs myspace that night at 6:59p.  Also said in the search warrant was that she and DG spoke by phone at 9:26p, when she said he told her he had to go to work. 

(he lied to her, cuz he didn't go to work that night... plus he was supposedly 'passed out' on the couch from 9p on, yet was supposedly seen by someone around 10p over by the Beehive Center.   which version do we believe?). 

At any rate, going back to the phone records, and the myspace messages, doesn't seem like they were together that night.  But who knows for sure in this case!

 ::MonkeyConfused::
   

I feel like a dunce but I'm still confused.  I don't see a myspace post at 6:59.  I see this one:

Jun 26 2009 9:59 PM

Hi, You~ ;)

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica (http://www.myspace.com/SCalica)

Also, according to the search warrant:

When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18)

So she would have left that post after all their texting.  I don't think they were together that night.  I was just wondering if they met at the BBQ, she gave him his number and then they began texting and talking back and forth throughout the night.  But...who has a BBQ before noon?  Hmm....  So, if it wasn't her, then he was at the BBQ with some other chick and texting her at the same time?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 04, 2009, 08:04:29 PM
Oh, wait a minute...maybe the 6:59 vs. 9:59 is the time zone difference.  Sigh.  Sorry! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 04, 2009, 08:05:26 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N '

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 08:09:12 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Interesting!!  Thanks, Karma!


You're welcome Wyks
What I found interesting was that the Golder's own 3 properties.I never read that before.

Three??   ::MonkeyEek::   Hmmmmm...  Wonder why that wasn't mentioned before, back during the convos that they owned 2 properties? 

This just gets curious'er and curious'er. 


Well, if is is it must be listed under another name, such as a trust, coro etc because I searched the tax record site for the entire county and only came up with the two I posted........If someone has the address and can do a reverse search and find out. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 08:11:38 PM
MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10



Oh KARMA! How cute you are!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 04, 2009, 08:15:33 PM
Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.

I thought that at first too!  But then realized that she posted on DGs myspace that night at 6:59p.  Also said in the search warrant was that she and DG spoke by phone at 9:26p, when she said he told her he had to go to work. 

(he lied to her, cuz he didn't go to work that night... plus he was supposedly 'passed out' on the couch from 9p on, yet was supposedly seen by someone around 10p over by the Beehive Center.   which version do we believe?). 

At any rate, going back to the phone records, and the myspace messages, doesn't seem like they were together that night.  But who knows for sure in this case!

 ::MonkeyConfused::
   

I feel like a dunce but I'm still confused.  I don't see a myspace post at 6:59.  I see this one:

Jun 26 2009 9:59 PM

Hi, You~ ;)

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica (http://www.myspace.com/SCalica)

Also, according to the search warrant:

When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18)

So she would have left that post after all their texting.  I don't think they were together that night.  I was just wondering if they met at the BBQ, she gave him his number and then they began texting and talking back and forth throughout the night.  But...who has a BBQ before noon?  Hmm....  So, if it wasn't her, then he was at the BBQ with some other chick and texting her at the same time?



Wow!  I must have read it wrong, thanks for catching that, DayOldDonuts!  I went back into DGs myspace to see it, and it reads 8:59 PM.. But when you go in, it says 9:59??   ::MonkeyConfused::  I am myspace challenged, does the time reflect one's own time zones when viewing it?  This happened in another case too!   

Calica

Jun 26 2009 8:59 PM

Hi, You~ ;)


----

And good points about the BBQ!  Gosh, I'd be po'd if I was at a BBQ, and the dude I was with spent a good majority of the time texting back and forth with someone else.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 08:25:56 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 08:28:25 PM
Also wondering..

The name of the youth camp DG worked at.  And if it's connected in any way to that church that Lindsey and Josh supposedly attended shortly before she went missing. 

We've heard from some locals earlier in this case, that church is supposedly 'not desireable' for anyone (especially children alone) to attend.  Am curious to know if there are also any youth camps in the area that any locals would also tend to avoid? 



And isn't it strange that we don't know the name of the youth camp yet? It could very well be connected to the church.

Yesssss NoRose! 

There's a Black Lake Bible Camp & Conference Center in Olympia. 
(two interesting things there.. a 'lake' and that it's a 'bible camp')
http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/ (http://www.blacklakebiblecamp.com/)

Still looking for other camps in Olympia.

Wish we could find out the actual name of the youth camp, but dunno how to go about doing that.  I mean, who could we ask?  lol..  Might have to wait til more info from LE comes out in this case. 
 

I saw the Black Lake one mentioned on WS this morning or yesterday. It is so odd to me that some of this info we don't know, like some friend of Dale's saying something, or someone he worked with, just odd. Nobody coming out and saying, oh no he wouldn't do that, or someone saying he seems the type that would  ::MonkeyConfused::

Our church Bible camp as well as other ministries ... require criminal background checks from the local RCMP EACH YEAR from ALL workers who come into contact with children/teens. The same policy applies in each of our three grown kids churches.

When Dale's background is considered ... his application would not have got passed Step One in the hiring/volunteer process.  Qualified leaders ... those who oversee ... are continually assessing workers under them as to how each relate to children/teen and any concerned are immediately addressed accordingly.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 08:37:10 PM
Karma, your new avi is very cute, but I didn't recognize you...I thought we had a new person posting!  LOL
That's my pretty Halloweenie avi that CBB made me a few/couple of years back....then she dressed it up.
Although that witch poking me in my back is getting on my last nerve lol
Have a good night you all.
   ::MonkeyLaugh::  Very cute  ::MonkeyCool::  Have a good evening.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 08:37:36 PM
I kept waiting for DD to come in and explain what's going on with her site.  But she hasn't come in for awhile.  Couldn't find anything about Lindsey's case in there earlier today.  Am guessing she moved the whole thread?  Well.... that's helpful.  Not. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 08:39:16 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N '

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?
OMG  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 08:40:11 PM
Am just gonna sit back now and watch this case develop.  For me, it's too dang confusing to know where to even begin to research anything.  Wish the rest of you more success.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 08:41:04 PM
Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake
Thanks, me too. Don't you think it would make more sense to wait for all the evidence to be tested, and then say Dale is no longer a POI if everything came back not pointing to him?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 08:42:42 PM
Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake
Thanks, me too. Don't you think it would make more sense to wait for all the evidence to be tested, and then say Dale is no longer a POI if everything came back not pointing to him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

MOO~I've heard so many stmts from various LE depts claiming so and so is not a POI only to see them arrested later down the line ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
I kept waiting for DD to come in and explain what's going on with her site.  But she hasn't come in for awhile.  Couldn't find anything about Lindsey's case in there earlier today.  Am guessing she moved the whole thread?  Well.... that's helpful.  Not. 


I am thankful you just said that, I noticed that this morning, and I though that my mind was completely gone, I couldn't find anything on Lindsey's case  ::MonkeyConfused:: She must have moved it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 08:44:23 PM
Am just gonna sit back now and watch this case develop.  For me, it's too dang confusing to know where to even begin to research anything.  Wish the rest of you more success.




I don't know what to research in any of the cases, I just read what people post and articles and try to figure it all out from there.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 08:44:41 PM
I kept waiting for DD to come in and explain what's going on with her site.  But she hasn't come in for awhile.  Couldn't find anything about Lindsey's case in there earlier today.  Am guessing she moved the whole thread?  Well.... that's helpful.  Not. 


I am thankful you just said that, I noticed that this morning, and I though that my mind was completely gone, I couldn't find anything on Lindsey's case  ::MonkeyConfused:: She must have moved it.

Maybe it's been set to private for members only..........who knows anymore ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake
Thanks, me too. Don't you think it would make more sense to wait for all the evidence to be tested, and then say Dale is no longer a POI if everything came back not pointing to him?  ::MonkeyConfused::

MOO~I've heard so many stmts from various LE depts claiming so and so is not a POI only to see them arrested later down the line ::MonkeyWink::
Yes, and I think they have had their eyes on him for awhile, like someone said earlier maybe this is a strategy that LE is using.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
Am just gonna sit back now and watch this case develop.  For me, it's too dang confusing to know where to even begin to research anything.  Wish the rest of you more success.





I guess you and I could go over to MB's and get her off the porch and start digging...... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 04, 2009, 08:51:12 PM
Am just gonna sit back now and watch this case develop.  For me, it's too dang confusing to know where to even begin to research anything.  Wish the rest of you more success.





I guess you and I could go over to MB's and get her off the porch and start digging...... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was joking, but I just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck again. Sorry, I didn't want to offend anyone. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 08:57:40 PM
Am just gonna sit back now and watch this case develop.  For me, it's too dang confusing to know where to even begin to research anything.  Wish the rest of you more success.





I guess you and I could go over to MB's and get her off the porch and start digging...... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was joking, but I just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck again. Sorry, I didn't want to offend anyone. ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyDevil:: and yes, i know...no offence here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 09:02:08 PM
FYI Monkeys
DD posted in the last thread that she is reseaching and is not ignoring us.  she will be backj ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
When the absence of the pornographic magazines from the list of seized items is considered ... could it be that DD did not get permission from KONA to list all the items that were siezed by authorities during the search.  In other words ... in the absence of a released official receipt ... do we have the whole story?  Maybe DD would clarify.

Janet

++++++++

This is for the house with occupants

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-evidrec1.jpg)

1 Black electrical tape from truck tool box
1 Fuji film Disp. Carmera
1 Pair of white men's tennis shoes from trash in Sunroom
4 Ind. men's shorts from trash in Sunroom
1 Pair white & red Men's tennis shoes from trash in Sunroom
1 (? can't read word) Bag with green vegetation from garage
1 Compaq tower from Office
1 Red mesh thong from file cabinet in shop
3 Used condoms from trash Sunroom
1 Phillip cd burner from cabinet in carport
1 Fuji Disp camera from Office
1 Vivitive vivi camera Office
1 Mustek mp3/4 Player
1 Receipts/Ind. Sunroom (? can't read word)



doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »


I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.  

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
FYI Monkeys
DD posted in the last thread that she is reseaching and is not ignoring us.  she will be backj ::MonkeySlide::
Yes, it's just that the thread for Lindsey is not up on her forum, IM suggested that she set it to private, which could be, I just never noticed that before when I went to her forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:04:57 PM
That could be Janet  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:12:57 PM
Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake

Could it be that the circumstancial evidence causes suspicion ... justifies a search but ... does not reach a level to be considered a person of interest.

Janet
 
++++++

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 09:16:26 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
FYI Monkeys
DD posted in the last thread that she is reseaching and is not ignoring us.  she will be backj ::MonkeySlide::
Yes, it's just that the thread for Lindsey is not up on her forum, IM suggested that she set it to private, which could be, I just never noticed that before when I went to her forum.
i just saw that.  thehehe look up ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 09:23:15 PM
When the absence of the pornographic magazines from the list of seized items is considered ... could it be that DD did not get permission from KONA to list all the items that were siezed by authorities during the search.  In other words ... in the absence of a released official receipt ... do we have the whole story?  Maybe DD would clarify.

Janet

++++++++

This is for the house with occupants

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-evidrec1.jpg)

1 Black electrical tape from truck tool box
1 Fuji film Disp. Carmera
1 Pair of white men's tennis shoes from trash in Sunroom
4 Ind. men's shorts from trash in Sunroom
1 Pair white & red Men's tennis shoes from trash in Sunroom
1 (? can't read word) Bag with green vegetation from garage
1 Compaq tower from Office
1 Red mesh thong from file cabinet in shop
3 Used condoms from trash Sunroom
1 Phillip cd burner from cabinet in carport
1 Fuji Disp camera from Office
1 Vivitive vivi camera Office
1 Mustek mp3/4 Player
1 Receipts/Ind. Sunroom (? can't read word)



doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »


I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.  

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


NOTHING AT ALL was left out of the evidence list, I would NEVER do that.  That would be deceptive.  There is absolutely NOTHING to hide, it's all bs... REALLY it is.  The police have backtracked and they know. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 09:29:01 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
it says hes out of utah on the topix board but who knows
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 09:29:36 PM
Janet, it sounds like DG was doing dishes and clean up in the kitchen.  I wonder how through they were in his background check, if any.  It wasn't like he was a counselor and interacting with the kidlets.  Pretty scary.  I wish all camps followed your churches example. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
I have very little time but will post this.

I am reorganizing the board.  It was my private research board and a few others were there working on things with me.  I then had an open area if someone wanted to ask something or discuss it to figure out the answer.  That quickly turned into a trashfest so I made it to where only the members could ask questions and post info there. 

I also had a bunch of people in there cluttering and doing nothing, which it is actually a WORK AREA. So I had to clean that up.  We don't actually discuss much unless it has to do with working on something.  It's not a discussion forum.. So that had to go. 

Then people got mad because they did not agree with me about Kona and they started trashing so had to lock them out. 

So because people were acting horrible in a research work site, I had to lock things up while I reorganize.  I am sorting information, and will put the information out where people can read it.  I will allow people in there only if they register and act right.  The reason I have to do that is because the guests were absolutely HORRIBLE so I had to make some changes. 

I don't mind sharing info or letting people read the information, but I can't have guests coming on there and creating havoc on a research board.  ugh.

so give me time.  we are sorting information and getting all put together.  That takes a lot of time.  I have information in over 1000 emails, lots of information from posts and chats with people, and then all of our research info which WE understand but no one else will if we don't organize it. 

So that is what is going on.  Should be starting to get back up tomorrow or maybe even put some things out tonight but most likely tomorrow. 

in the process some of the settings got set wrong and some of your were deactivated, that will be fixed as well.  just give me time then you can read and use the info.  And you will be able to understand it much better this way.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:39:09 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
it says hes out of utah on the topix board but who knows
 ::MonkeyConfused::

he's out of washington.  Don't let this person fool you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:41:37 PM
Thanks DD  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 04, 2009, 09:41:53 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::

here is a clue... look straight down the first row and read the letters... see what you see. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 09:43:27 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:50:31 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::

here is a clue... look straight down the first row and read the letters... see what you see. 

DD ... please spit it out.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 09:50:38 PM
first post
O C [C] [D] D [D] M [C] A G Y T G
second
O S B D S S P S C B


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:50:39 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 09:51:13 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.myspace.com/495207585
Whoever it is, this is his myspace 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:51:28 PM
first post
O C [C] [D] D [D] M [C] A G Y T G
second
O S B D S S P S C B
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm not good at this sort of thing, do you know what it means? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:52:49 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.myspace.com/495207585
Whoever it is, this is his myspace 
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm so mixed up  ::MonkeyDevil:: Thanks for the myspace link


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 09:52:55 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.myspace.com/495207585
Whoever it is, this is his myspace 

Looks like he is in Tacoma ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:53:49 PM
Who the he!! is this guy?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 09:53:55 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
It sounds like some religion of some sort is thrown in there, if that makes sense, like this person is judging Dale  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.myspace.com/495207585
Whoever it is, this is his myspace 
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm so mixed up  ::MonkeyDevil:: Thanks for the myspace link

YW ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:55:26 PM
I want to make sure if Dale's father's name is Clifford, before I bring over the info, I don't want to if this is not his father.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 04, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
dd-im tryin to chat on ur site b/c theres something i wanted to ask/talk to you about but no one is in the chat. do you think u'll be there later?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 09:56:29 PM
first post
O C [C] [D] D [D] M [C] A G Y T G
second
O S B D S S P S C B
  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm not good at this sort of thing, do you know what it means? ::MonkeyConfused::
ugg.  no friggin clue :smt100


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:57:04 PM
Janet, it sounds like DG was doing dishes and clean up in the kitchen.  I wonder how through they were in his background check, if any.  It wasn't like he was a counselor and interacting with the kidlets.  Pretty scary.  I wish all camps followed your churches example. 

Those who have contact with children/teens ... from the custodian right up to the Pastor ... are held accountable.  Number one ... it is the right thing to do.  Number two ... it is common sense .. the cost of potential litigation could close the church doors.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 09:58:29 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

What / where???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 09:58:41 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Spit it out!

Pleeeease..

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 10:00:16 PM
I want to make sure if Dale's father's name is Clifford, before I bring over the info, I don't want to if this is not his father.
what did you see?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:02:20 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::

I did, but I have NO CLUE if he's related to Dale..........so hate to bring it over, but is is easy enough to find on google ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:04:52 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::


OH FRUCK:


 Name Age Previous Cities DOB Phone Address Avg. Income Avg. Home Value Relatives
1  Clifford D Golder

View Details
 48  Mccleary, WA            Kimberlan Golder
Kimberlynn L Golder
Kimerlynnl Golder
Tena M Golder
Donald C Golder
Don M Golder
Dick N Golder
Diane Golder
Wayne A Golder 
Related People Lookups
 







However, this could be a different Cliffford G, but the ages are correct IIRC ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:05:35 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::

I did, but I have NO CLUE if he's related to Dale..........so hate to bring it over, but is is easy enough to find on google ::MonkeyWink::

I understand adn I think I know....if it is regarding a molestation charge, I'm sure LE would have been all over that by now.  hmmm....is interesting though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:06:29 PM
I'll post the link, but I have no idea, don't want to start something, but it is on WS, and they are running with it.  http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:06:56 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:07:11 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::


OH FRUCK:


 Name Age Previous Cities DOB Phone Address Avg. Income Avg. Home Value Relatives
1  Clifford D Golder

View Details
 48  Mccleary, WA            Kimberlan Golder
Kimberlynn L Golder
Kimerlynnl Golder
Tena M Golder
Donald C Golder
Don M Golder
Dick N Golder
Diane Golder
Wayne A Golder 
Related People Lookups
 

However, this could be a different Cliffford G, but the ages are correct IIRC ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

islandmonkey ... baby steps please.  What am I missing?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
 Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:08:44 PM
Janet -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Dont feel bad, i'm still paying "unscramble the letters"   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:09:09 PM
Janet -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Dont feel bad, i'm still paying "unscramble the letters"   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:09:42 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::

I did, but I have NO CLUE if he's related to Dale..........so hate to bring it over, but is is easy enough to find on google ::MonkeyWink::

I understand adn I think I know....if it is regarding a molestation charge, I'm sure LE would have been all over that by now.  hmmm....is interesting though.

True, and at the risk of making everyone puke, not all children who are molested go on to become molesters, but most molesters have been molested,,,,,,, hope that came out properly. Just extrapolate from their. But I still have no clue if this is DG's dad or what the exact relationship is.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:10:32 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:11:31 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
No, I don't think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: I don't know why it is on the attached thumbnail of that post.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:11:56 PM
I'll post the link, but I have no idea, don't want to start something, but it is on WS, and they are running with it.  http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12

I am not a member and ... cannot go any further.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

++++++

Today, 09:09 PM
elepher50

 
Hmmmmm .....
Attached Images Clifford Golder Child Molestation.jpg (63.6 KB, 1 views)

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:12:06 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::


OH FRUCK:


 Name Age Previous Cities DOB Phone Address Avg. Income Avg. Home Value Relatives
1  Clifford D Golder

View Details
 48  Mccleary, WA            Kimberlan Golder
Kimberlynn L Golder
Kimerlynnl Golder
Tena M Golder
Donald C Golder
Don M Golder
Dick N Golder
Diane Golder
Wayne A Golder 
Related People Lookups
 

However, this could be a different Cliffford G, but the ages are correct IIRC ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

islandmonkey ... baby steps please.  What am I missing?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Clifford Golder has a record for child molestation and under the intellus search he is related to TG as I just posted. Here is the link to the charges:

http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...%3d&input=name


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:12:50 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 
No, I don't think so  ::MonkeyShocked:: I don't know why it is on the attached thumbnail of that post.

I think you have to be registered to view it. (which I refuse to do...lol)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:14:01 PM
Janet -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Dont feel bad, i'm still paying "unscramble the letters"   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Leroy ... you are hoot.

::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:14:08 PM
I'm sorry I didn't realize that, but IM just posted it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:14:10 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:15:23 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::
Thanks, I didn't realize you had to be a member to get what I posted, and I don't know how to do a screen shot.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:15:55 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:16:04 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::


OH FRUCK:


 Name Age Previous Cities DOB Phone Address Avg. Income Avg. Home Value Relatives
1  Clifford D Golder

View Details
 48  Mccleary, WA            Kimberlan Golder
Kimberlynn L Golder
Kimerlynnl Golder
Tena M Golder
Donald C Golder
Don M Golder
Dick N Golder
Diane Golder
Wayne A Golder 
Related People Lookups
 

However, this could be a different Cliffford G, but the ages are correct IIRC ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

islandmonkey ... baby steps please.  What am I missing?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Clifford Golder has a record for child molestation and under the intellus search he is related to TG as I just posted. Here is the link to the charges:

http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...%3d&input=name

Thank you for your patience islandmonkey.

Janet






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:20:08 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.
Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
i think my head is going to explode. :smt073
  ::MonkeyEek::  Is Dale's father's name Clifford, I really need to know because I just saw something on another forum that is upsetting, if that is his dad  ::MonkeyEek::

I'll second that ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::
Did you see that?  ::MonkeyEek::


OH FRUCK:


 Name Age Previous Cities DOB Phone Address Avg. Income Avg. Home Value Relatives
1  Clifford D Golder

View Details
 48  Mccleary, WA            Kimberlan Golder
Kimberlynn L Golder
Kimerlynnl Golder
Tena M Golder
Donald C Golder
Don M Golder
Dick N Golder
Diane Golder
Wayne A Golder 
Related People Lookups
 

However, this could be a different Cliffford G, but the ages are correct IIRC ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

islandmonkey ... baby steps please.  What am I missing?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Clifford Golder has a record for child molestation and under the intellus search he is related to TG as I just posted. Here is the link to the charges:

http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...%3d&input=name

Thank you for your patience islandmonkey.

Janet



o problem, I couldn't see it either so b4 I posted it I wanted to verify it thru a search of my own and then verify a relationship to DG, which I posted upthread. I didn't want to just take any word for it until I searched it myself........anyhow, thanks for waiting so patiently



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:23:26 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.
Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.

It is definetly interesting thats for sure.  And also makes me believe the story about DG and the girl even more.

Was DG's dad living with him?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:24:43 PM
I don't know if the dad is living at home with the mother and Dale.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:25:10 PM
Considering the skeletons in their closets ...I cannot comprehend why this family called so much attention onto themselves in regards to the recent search.  If there had been quiet compliance ... the researching of  backgrounds would have been a non issue.  It makes sense that threatening litigation was just asking for what has happened.

The searches that Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel alludes to in the following article went under the media wire.

Janet

+++++

Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:26:09 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.
Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.

It is definetly interesting thats for sure.  And also makes me believe the story about DG and the girl even more.

Was DG's dad living with him?

I'm getting ready to try and find that out, unless DD is here and can help, otherwise $40 in the toilet ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 10:28:06 PM
Just have to say..  In light of what has been discovered, this post over yonder cracked me up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyone want to head over to the "other board" and ask the hard questions? Knock Knock...Yes? May I speak to Skye please?

And I'd like to do the same.  It will be interesting, hearing her take on this.  Yeppers. 

A thought comes to mind.  What HAVE we heard in this situ from DGs daddy?  Everything I've read anywhere 'from the family' has come from Kona the momma, and DG himself.  Nuttin from dear ole' dad.  If this info is accurate, then that certainly explains the silence from his corner.  Eh?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Or.... perhaps this is all part of the 'conspiracy' as well.  All lies, all BS? 

Yeah.  Gig's up, IMO.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:28:37 PM
Just go over to WS and read it, since they think they are so funny and smart, he!! they have all the answers  ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:29:09 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.
Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.

It is definetly interesting thats for sure.  And also makes me believe the story about DG and the girl even more.

Was DG's dad living with him?

I'm getting ready to try and find that out, unless DD is here and can help, otherwise $40 in the toilet ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks IM.  Wonder if this has anything to do with the 3 properties we were talking about earlier...i'm gonna go back and read that again.  Perhaps DG's dad did not live with them but at this third property???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:31:33 PM
Just go over to WS and read it, since they think they are so funny and smart, he!! they have all the answers  ::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
Just have to say..  In light of what has been discovered, this post over yonder cracked me up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyone want to head over to the "other board" and ask the hard questions? Knock Knock...Yes? May I speak to Skye please?

And I'd like to do the same.  It will be interesting, hearing her take on this.  Yeppers. 

A thought comes to mind.  What HAVE we heard in this situ from DGs daddy?  Everything I've read anywhere 'from the family' has come from Kona the momma, and DG himself.  Nuttin from dear ole' dad.  If this info is accurate, then that certainly explains the silence from his corner.  Eh?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Or.... perhaps this is all part of the 'conspiracy' as well.  All lies, all BS? 

Yeah.  Gig's up, IMO.



Wasn't he the one threatening to sue?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 04, 2009, 10:33:31 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 10:36:34 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/CliffordGolderChildMolestation.jpg)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:37:10 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.
Well, I'm still trying to figure out the letters and what they mean from the Topix comments  ::MonkeyConfused:: I had to give up I would be here all night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:37:38 PM
Thanks Wyks  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:38:41 PM
Just have to say..  In light of what has been discovered, this post over yonder cracked me up.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyone want to head over to the "other board" and ask the hard questions? Knock Knock...Yes? May I speak to Skye please?

And I'd like to do the same.  It will be interesting, hearing her take on this.  Yeppers. 

A thought comes to mind.  What HAVE we heard in this situ from DGs daddy?   Everything I've read anywhere 'from the family' has come from Kona the momma, and DG himself.  Nuttin from dear ole' dad.  If this info is accurate, then that certainly explains the silence from his corner.  Eh?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Or.... perhaps this is all part of the 'conspiracy' as well.  All lies, all BS? 

Yeah.  Gig's up, IMO.



Dale's parents appear to standing together against what they perceive as the targeting of their son.

Janet

+++++++

Family feels targeted in missing McCleary girl's case
10:45 PM PDT on Friday, October 2, 2009
By TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - A McCleary family claims they're unfairly targeted and harassed by police officers connected to the case of missing Lindsey Baum.

Friday, a tearful mother and an angry father defended their son who was the subject of a search warrant at their rural McCleary home, related to the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Court documents released Friday relate why detectives believed the son could be Baum's kidnapper.

Witnesses told detectives that the man obsessed about Baum's disappearance and expressed his belief that a girl had been "dismembered."

Officers, however, found nothing nothing to back that up.

According to court papers, witnesses also reportedly told officers they saw the man's car near where Baum disappeared on June 26 in McCleary.

A month later, officers pulled over the same man for following the mother of the missing girl around town.

While officers executed these search warrants last week, Melissa Baum continued to hope for a break in the case.

"There's hope. I know she's alive and she'll come home," she said.

According to court documents, the man also gave detectives several different stories about his whereabouts when Baum disappeared.

The man's parents told KING 5 that their son got confused because detectives interviewed him more than a month after Baum vanished. Therefore, he apparently could not remember many specific details that far back.

Court documents show detectives seized property from the man's home last weekend, including computers, paperwork, drug paraphernalia and a sex toy.

Detectives say they now have no suspect or person-of-interest, but they do have a lot of leads and a girl who seemingly vanished without a trace.

The affidavit for the search warrant also says that the man was a former suspect in the attempted rape of a child when he was 14, but he was not given a formal decision in the case.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 10:38:41 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Yes exactly, Darla. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:38:46 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Hi Darla!!!  There are some posts/posters that I myself choose to just scroll past.

(and no doubledeckers posts are not those but just saying)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 04, 2009, 10:39:26 PM
Oh NRCG...I just scrolled on by them lol. My old brain is not good with riddles. Geesh if there is a message in those letters, why not just say what it is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:40:33 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.
Well, I'm still trying to figure out the letters and what they mean from the Topix comments  ::MonkeyConfused:: I had to give up I would be here all night.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:41:24 PM
Oh NRCG...I just scrolled on by them lol. My old brain is not good with riddles. Geesh if there is a message in those letters, why not just say what it is?
I can't do riddles, I have no patience   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:41:35 PM
Oh NRCG...I just scrolled on by them lol. My old brain is not good with riddles. Geesh if there is a message in those letters, why not just say what it is?

My thought process exactly.  Spit it out.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:41:36 PM
Janet - thanks for posting that article...I was about to go back through to see if his dad was mentioned anywhere.

so chances are that he is probably still living with TG/DG.

How can he have this type of charge but not be considered an RSO?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.
Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.

It is definetly interesting thats for sure.  And also makes me believe the story about DG and the girl even more.

Was DG's dad living with him?

I'm getting ready to try and find that out, unless DD is here and can help, otherwise $40 in the toilet ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks IM.  Wonder if this has anything to do with the 3 properties we were talking about earlier...i'm gonna go back and read that again.  Perhaps DG's dad did not live with them but at

 this third property???


Here are the addy's I found, some are PO boxes, but most interesting is the Sand Creek addy:

  401 West Main
Mccleary, WA 98557   eport 
2  492 Po Box 492
Mccleary, WA 98557  Property Report 
3  1064 Po Box 1064
Mccleary, WA 98557  Property Report 
4  Po Box 1064
Mccleary, WA 98557   Property Report 
5  185 N Sand Creek Rd
Mccleary, WA 98557 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 10:42:26 PM
By 'silence' from DGs father, I meant online, where everything that I've read/heard has been from Kona herself.  Sorry, didn't mean in the news interviews and such.  Okies, I'll hush for now. 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.
Well, I'm still trying to figure out the letters and what they mean from the Topix comments  ::MonkeyConfused:: I had to give up I would be here all night.

I would give it up.  I don't believe in the code talking.  I think we went through this before in the cantu case.  Sorry, don't buy it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 04, 2009, 10:45:02 PM
I have been sitting on my hands for several days about this Dale guy. You ever hear the old saying. "Thou doest protest to much"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:45:06 PM
IM - thank you very much  ::MonkeyKiss:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 10:46:45 PM
From over yonder:

"he does use aliases... interchanges his first and middle name.. but all court records would be under C.D.G."





 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 10:47:55 PM
From over yonder:

"he does use aliases... interchanges his first and middle name.. but all court records would be under C.D.G."





 

And can we confirm that Clifford is the husband of Tena Golder and the father of DG??? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:50:02 PM
Post 277 click on attached thumbnail, like I said don't know.

It's top secret or something   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

I just posted all of it, his name, record and he shows up as a relative of TG. ::MonkeyTongue::

My mind has officially exploded at this point...........BUT, we have no idea of how he is related at this time. ::MonkeyConfused::


Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for posting it.  My guess is DG's whole family has been checked out by LE...and certainly they would have found this.  Would love to know the relation thats for sure.
Yes, I'm sure this has all been checked out, so I guess this is not such a big deal as thought, it is bad, but I'm sure LE is all over this.

It is definetly interesting thats for sure.  And also makes me believe the story about DG and the girl even more.

Was DG's dad living with him?

I'm getting ready to try and find that out, unless DD is here and can help, otherwise $40 in the toilet ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks IM.  Wonder if this has anything to do with the 3 properties we were talking about earlier...i'm gonna go back and read that again.  Perhaps DG's dad did not live with them but at

 this third property???


Here are the addy's I found, some are PO boxes, but most interesting is the Sand Creek addy:

  401 West Main
Mccleary, WA 98557   eport 
2  492 Po Box 492
Mccleary, WA 98557  Property Report 
3  1064 Po Box 1064
Mccleary, WA 98557  Property Report 
4  Po Box 1064
Mccleary, WA 98557   Property Report 
5  185 N Sand Creek Rd
Mccleary, WA 98557 



 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

OK.....remember the 3 properties owned by TG and we could only find 2........well, here is the 3rd and this is what came u when I used the 185 n. sand creek adress for Clifford Golder

Show Map Parcel   180523230050 
 Situs Address   00185 SAND CREEK RD MCCL
  Legal Description   SW NW LY S & E OF CO RDS LS TAX 5 & 6 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner   GOLDER TENA ET AL File Updated   10/2/2009   16:05
Address   149 FOREMAN RD Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 23
   MCCLEARY, WA 98557



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:51:04 PM
IM - thank you very much  ::MonkeyKiss:: 

YW and look above ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 04, 2009, 10:51:58 PM
For what it's worth...Child molester 3 is over 12 & under 16 contact not amounting to rape.  If offender is compliant for 10 years, he no longer has to register.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:52:10 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:54:09 PM
Exact parcel location of Sand Creek addy......TG's is the 40 one that it surrounds


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:54:15 PM
For what it's worth...Child molester 3 is over 12 & under 16 contact not amounting to rape.  If offender is compliant for 10 years, he no longer has to register.

Thank you....i did not know that  ::MonkeyEek:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 10:55:42 PM
My teacher DIL is assisting me in the compilation of what has turned into a somewhat overwhelming document on a particular aspect of the Natalee Holloway case.  Considering this gal has a life outside the computer room and ... is affording me a couple of hours of her precious time ... I will be off.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
7:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:55:52 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...

Don't know if anyone lives there or not, but it would be a convenient addy for someone with a record ::MonkeyWink:: if you didn't want them linked to yours, as it was hard to link these together ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 10:56:27 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...
I hope not, but probably  ::MonkeyEek:: And a white car, wonder who that belongs to?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 10:56:46 PM
RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.



</B>(1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim.

(2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony.
[1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.]

Notes:


Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010.

Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 04, 2009, 10:57:57 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fircrest-wa/T7LH7CMK4MCJ86J8N

They are coming out of the woodwork! All I can say to this is WTH?

Oh jeeeeeeez.  It's a full moon, right?   ::MonkeyConfused::



This is a coded message people... This is not the first one which has been posted on the net about this case.  There were some I had found on blinks as well, some time ago.
If anyone finds any more of these, please let me know.  Can anyone read these besides me ? If so, please get ahold of me.  thanks
it says hes out of utah on the topix board but who knows
 ::MonkeyConfused::

he's out of washington.  Don't let this person fool you  ::MonkeyCool::

He's also made several posts in other cases, just google his email name polymarkerdqa1@

http://www.google.com/search?q=polymarkerdqa1@&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF_en


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...

Don't know if anyone lives there or not, but it would be a convenient addy for someone with a record ::MonkeyWink:: if you didn't want them linked to yours, as it was hard to link these together ::MonkeyTongue::

I wonder why this property wasn't included for the search warrant.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 10:59:52 PM
From over yonder:

"he does use aliases... interchanges his first and middle name.. but all court records would be under C.D.G."

 

And can we confirm that Clifford is the husband of Tena Golder and the father of DG??? 

Courtesy of WS, cuz there is some confusion over here.  lol  Thanks WS!  And may I say good work! 

Marriage Records:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C)





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:01:17 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...

Don't know if anyone lives there or not, but it would be a convenient addy for someone with a record ::MonkeyWink:: if you didn't want them linked to yours, as it was hard to link these together ::MonkeyTongue::

I wonder why this property wasn't included for the search warrant.




I bet it was, go back and look at the helicopter video and it looks just like this place........

snagged this from over yonder:

C Donald Golder - Tena M Vaughn - Grays Harbor Marriage Records
Record Series:  Marriage Records Collection:  Grays Harbor Marriage Records   ? County:  Grays Harbor
document number: swgrhmc41402groom's name: C Donald Golderbride's name: Tena M Vaughnmarriage date: 5/6/1983 12:00:00 AMcounty : Grays Harbor


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...

Don't know if anyone lives there or not, but it would be a convenient addy for someone with a record ::MonkeyWink:: if you didn't want them linked to yours, as it was hard to link these together ::MonkeyTongue::

I wonder why this property wasn't included for the search warrant.




I bet it was, go back and look at the helicopter video and it looks just like this place........

snagged this from over yonder:

C Donald Golder - Tena M Vaughn - Grays Harbor Marriage Records
Record Series:  Marriage Records Collection:  Grays Harbor Marriage Records   ? County:  Grays Harbor
document number: swgrhmc41402groom's name: C Donald Golderbride's name: Tena M Vaughnmarriage date: 5/6/1983 12:00:00 AMcounty : Grays Harbor

So perhaps this is the vacant house that was searched?  I am confused and need to go back and look at all of this again   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:07:57 PM
My goodness, does someone actually live in that house!

And there is a white car in that pic...

Don't know if anyone lives there or not, but it would be a convenient addy for someone with a record ::MonkeyWink:: if you didn't want them linked to yours, as it was hard to link these together ::MonkeyTongue::

I wonder why this property wasn't included for the search warrant.




I bet it was, go back and look at the helicopter video and it looks just like this place........

snagged this from over yonder:

C Donald Golder - Tena M Vaughn - Grays Harbor Marriage Records
Record Series:  Marriage Records Collection:  Grays Harbor Marriage Records   ? County:  Grays Harbor
document number: swgrhmc41402groom's name: C Donald Golderbride's name: Tena M Vaughnmarriage date: 5/6/1983 12:00:00 AMcounty : Grays Harbor

So perhaps this is the vacant house that was searched?  I am confused and need to go back and look at all of this again   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Here is the video from the heli:


http://www.kirotv.com/video/21181751/index.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:09:10 PM
So Kona inserts herself into this case...she had to know that the story about DG's past and, if this is her hubby, that would come out as well.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:13:28 PM
did she forget? 
why even go there?

 :smt073


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 11:13:43 PM
I wonder if DGs father ever drove his car? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:13:44 PM



Here is the video from the heli:


http://www.kirotv.com/video/21181751/index.html

Yep, looks alot like the same house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 04, 2009, 11:14:38 PM
Thanks IM...that is the same house you posted a few post back.
Just because the LE is saying he is no longer a poi, does not mean that they can't jerk him back in. What better way to see what happens next than to tell him he is no longer being looked at.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:16:35 PM
So Kona inserts herself into this case...she had to know that the story about DG's past and, if this is her hubby, that would come out as well.



Like I said my head is spinning like Linda Blairs right now as it's beyond crazy :gaah:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
Thanks IM...that is the same house you posted a few post back.
Just because the LE is saying he is no longer a poi, does not mean that they can't jerk him back in. What better way to see what happens next than to tell him he is no longer being looked at.

Exactly!  And lets not forget that items removed are still being tested. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 11:17:09 PM
Do you guys have this yet?  It is for the father:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
I just got caught up from earlier and I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 04, 2009, 11:18:43 PM
The statement was made that alot of kids had beeen in the house, could the old house have been used as rental property before it fell in such bad disrepair?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 11:18:50 PM
I see you are 'on it    ::MonkeyFootball::  See what happens when we're all on the same team!  LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:19:24 PM
Thanks IM...that is the same house you posted a few post back.
Just because the LE is saying he is no longer a poi, does not mean that they can't jerk him back in. What better way to see what happens next than to tell him he is no longer being looked at.
I agree and I agree ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 11:19:55 PM
So Kona inserts herself into this case...she had to know that the story about DG's past and, if this is her hubby, that would come out as well.



Like I said my head is spinning like Linda Blairs right now as it's beyond crazy :gaah:

I would suggest duct tape but not since a certain case.   ::MonkeyLaugh::  TY for pulling all that info!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 04, 2009, 11:20:09 PM
For what it's worth...Child molester 3 is over 12 & under 16 contact not amounting to rape.  If offender is compliant for 10 years, he no longer has to register.
  Let me change that to 14 years, and under 16 years.  The 12 years just came off the top of someone's head!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:20:59 PM
So Kona inserts herself into this case...she had to know that the story about DG's past and, if this is her hubby, that would come out as well.



Like I said my head is spinning like Linda Blairs right now as it's beyond crazy :gaah:

Why does it seem like this whole family was obsessed about Lindsey?  I appreciate that Kona wanted to help, I really do, but only if her intentions were true.  At this point, I am just not sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 11:21:20 PM
The statement was made that alot of kids had beeen in the house, could the old house have been used as rental property before it fell in such bad disrepair?

or as someone earlier wondered could they have had Foster children?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:21:43 PM
So Kona inserts herself into this case...she had to know that the story about DG's past and, if this is her hubby, that would come out as well.



Like I said my head is spinning like Linda Blairs right now as it's beyond crazy :gaah:

I would suggest duct tape but not since a certain case.   ::MonkeyLaugh::  TY for pulling all that info!
::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

YW!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 04, 2009, 11:23:02 PM
His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tams on October 04, 2009, 11:23:02 PM
RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

</B>(1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim.

(2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony.
[1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.]

Notes:
Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010.

Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010.

Re: red highlighted above - ummmmmm . . . as in, perhaps, "knowingly causing" his son, DG to commit such an act? Heaven help us if this is where we might be going . . .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:26:18 PM
His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::
why can i not see the offence date?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:27:03 PM
RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

</B>(1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim.

(2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony.
[1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.]

Notes:
Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010.

Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010.

Re: red highlighted above - ummmmmm . . . as in, perhaps, "knowingly causing" his son, DG to commit such an act? Heaven help us if this is where we might be going . . .

I noticed that too ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:27:14 PM
His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::
why can i not see the offence date?
or the date reported?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:31:55 PM
His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::
why can i not see the offence date?
or the date reported?

cuz its not on there   ::MonkeyTease::    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:33:09 PM
His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::
why can i not see the offence date?
or the date reported?

cuz its not on there   ::MonkeyTease::    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 
::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:40:04 PM
His offense:  RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name (http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=c%2bE9Cgdxi%2fxrnbbV36IYX6Wm8%2bVohxOT0xLIwuEXFUY%3d&input=name)


Haven't had time to read if all this info is here.   ::cartwheel::
why can i not see the offence date?
or the date reported?

cuz its not on there   ::MonkeyTease::    ::MonkeyHaHa:: 
so where is it?   ::MonkeyTease:: LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:40:20 PM
Who all lived at Kona/TG's house?  Do we know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:42:50 PM
Mama -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I dont know...but wish I did.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
Who all lived at Kona/TG's house?  Do we know?

Don't know for sure, but if DD is here, surely she would know. But, my bet is that he may have lived there and used the Sand Creek addy since the charge, but DD would know for sure as per the marriage records they were married, don't know if there has been a divorce or not.......bu, didn't the parents threathen to sue-so tha's plural and my take would mean they both lived there. But that's based soley o speculation ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: alismom on October 04, 2009, 11:44:48 PM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 04, 2009, 11:46:27 PM
Who all lived at Kona/TG's house?  Do we know?

Not sure.  I saw one reference (or post from her), not sure which, that said there were "4 adults" there.  Am thinking that 4 was incl the younger son, who hadn't gone into the military at that time, tho he did over the summer. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:46:29 PM
why is it filed under traffic/other and not sex related?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 11:48:13 PM
why is it filed under traffic/other and not sex related?

I wondered that too but checked on some others who had the child molestation 3 charges and they were also filed under traffic/other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:48:17 PM
Mama -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I dont know...but wish I did.
me too ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
why is it filed under traffic/other and not sex related?

I wondered that too but checked on some others who had the child molestation 3 charges and they were also filed under traffic/other.
i wonder why?  thats wierd. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 04, 2009, 11:56:36 PM
this is my head  :smt101 :smt100 :shock: :smt073
im gonna read a bit and go to bed. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 04, 2009, 11:56:58 PM
Surely someone can get in touch with DD to clarify all this, if we are way off base about Clifford aka Donald being marrried to Tena and having his address on her property. Anyone know how to get in touch with DD as she would know better than anyone ????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 04, 2009, 11:59:52 PM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 12:05:36 AM
Surely someone can get in touch with DD to clarify all this, if we are way off base about Clifford aka Donald being marrried to Tena and having his address on her property. Anyone know how to get in touch with DD as she would know better than anyone ????


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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:06:24 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.

Yes it is when you consider that it didn;t show up under personal property searches when I searched her name, it wasn't until I ran the background check on Clifford that the Sand Creek addy showed up and when I pulled that parcel she was listed as the owner and then I posted th pic's and parcels showing the proximity.....will do again for anyone catching up


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 12:06:25 AM
Who all lived at Kona/TG's house?  Do we know?

Not sure.  I saw one reference (or post from her), not sure which, that said there were "4 adults" there.  Am thinking that 4 was incl the younger son, who hadn't gone into the military at that time, tho he did over the summer. 




Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 12:54 pm PDT September 25, 2009


A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 05, 2009, 12:07:04 AM
I wondered about the traffic that is was filed under. It was not a rape although it was a felony. Inappropriate touching ?
.. If that is the husband and not a brother of the husband why would Kona be so active in this on the boards ? Did she want / try to put the suspicion on to MB ? The acting funny, etc ? I am wondering if there was some deliberate attempt at misdirection here ? Or not ? Regardless if there was any attempt to mislead any info that came from Kona after her son was questioned has to be tossed. By me anyway. IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 12:07:29 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.


Tena Golder
149 Foreman Rd

James M Vaughn
149 Foreman Rd

(was Vaughn not the maiden name on the marriage cert?)

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qa=149+foreman+road&qc=mccleary&qfilter[pro]=on&qhn=149&qi=0&qk=10&qs=WA&qst=FOREMAN+RD


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:09:34 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.


Tena Golder
149 Foreman Rd

James M Vaughn
149 Foreman Rd

(was Vaughn not the maiden name on the marriage cert?)

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qa=149+foreman+road&qc=mccleary&qfilter[pro]=on&qhn=149&qi=0&qk=10&qs=WA&qst=FOREMAN+RD

IIRC yes!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:13:31 AM
I wondered about the traffic that is was filed under. It was not a rape although it was a felony. Inappropriate touching ?
.. If that is the husband and not a brother of the husband why would Kona be so active in this on the boards ? Did she want / try to put the suspicion on to MB ? The acting funny, etc ? I am wondering if there was some deliberate attempt at misdirection here ? Or not ? Regardless if there was any attempt to mislead any info that came from Kona after her son was questioned has to be tossed. By me anyway. IMO

Me too, when I found out who Kona was and checked the date she started posting it was a huge red flag for me, then I read every post from her and it did seem that she was pointing fingers (in a delicate way ) at MB, for example about how she didn't request TES come seach, that she wasn't putting flyers up at the garage sales, but instead was shopping at them and then the stmt from Kona that she went to MB's sale but since only a girl was here she felt uncomfortable. BUT, the one thing she did state that ITA with, is that anyone under LE suspicion should be given a LDT............not holding my breath though ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

It sure looked like misdirection to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on October 05, 2009, 12:25:49 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:26:09 AM
Just curious, but I read back quite a bit and saw so many posters asking whose house (the one we now know is listed as Cliffford's addy) was being searched, did DD or Kona ever say yes I know??? ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 05, 2009, 12:26:38 AM
thank you Mission  ::MonkeyKiss:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 12:26:50 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.

Yes it is when you consider that it didn;t show up under personal property searches when I searched her name, it wasn't until I ran the background check on Clifford that the Sand Creek addy showed up and when I pulled that parcel she was listed as the owner and then I posted th pic's and parcels showing the proximity.....will do again for anyone catching up

Thank you islandmonkey.

I do not have a clue whether any of these people were involved in what happened to Lindsey Baum but ... our research has convinced me more than ever that ... in the process of elimination ... the search warrant served on the owner of these buildings and properties was justified.

I think DD was taken advantage of by KONA.  She knew the skeletons in her closet that justified suspicion.  DD may disagree.

It is emotionally draining when you bond with others who you truly believe are on on the same page ... same page in a worthy cause and ... find out that you had perceived the relationship all wrong.  However ... it is important not to despair and ... to remain focused on your destination ... even if the journey is lonely at times. 

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:30:11 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.


Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: alismom on October 05, 2009, 12:30:47 AM
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S14&casenumber=06-9-00350-2&searchtype=sName&token=0AEDC2D0CE08C8EC2AF8F8DCFD1DE679&dt=0B1DCB7B2CD0CD9CEC44D99FC3E8E27D


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.


Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 

::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally we have the offense date 3/1996 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:34:49 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=

Now that is interesting that this is showing the same house and the owner as Tena.  This is one of the houses in the search.  pretty darn strange/confusing.

Yes it is when you consider that it didn;t show up under personal property searches when I searched her name, it wasn't until I ran the background check on Clifford that the Sand Creek addy showed up and when I pulled that parcel she was listed as the owner and then I posted th pic's and parcels showing the proximity.....will do again for anyone catching up

Thank you islandmonkey.

I do not have a clue whether any of these people were involved in what happened to Lindsey Baum but ... our research has convinced me more than ever that ... in the process of elimination ... the search warrant served on the owner of these buildings and properties was justified.

I think DD was taken advantage of by KONA.  She knew the skeletons in her closet that justified suspicion.  DD may disagree.

It is emotionally draining when you bond with others who you truly believe are on on the same page ... same page in a worthy cause and ... find out that you had perceived the relationship all wrong.  However ... it is important not to despair and ... to remain focused on your destination ... even if the journey is lonely at times. 

Janet

I am inclined to agree Janet considering what we have learned recently and all the questions asked about the search of the old white house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 05, 2009, 12:34:57 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.


Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 

::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally we have the offense date 3/1996 ::MonkeyGavel::

Lovely - thank you.  so even if he was a RSO he would no longer be required to register if he was compliant.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on October 05, 2009, 12:36:00 AM
thank you Mission  ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Your Welcome  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:36:22 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.


Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 

::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally we have the offense date 3/1996 ::MonkeyGavel::

Lovely - thank you.  so even if he was a RSO he would no longer be required to register if he was compliant.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 12:43:23 AM
TY Mission  ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 05, 2009, 12:46:10 AM
And yet some of Kona's info may be quite valid and her intent honorable, but there is always that big but. I can't really make a judgement call here as I don't know her or her family. I am just trying to deal with some facts about who was questioned and why. I have seen where LE has messed up very badly and I think I am going to just keep an open mind until there is any further factual info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on October 05, 2009, 12:46:57 AM
TY Mission  ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Welcome Northern Rose - This case is a real mind twist - I pray that answers will come soon and Lindsey will be found  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Hi All,
It took me forever to catch up from this morning! Just when you think this case cannot get any stranger.......

STRONGTOWER Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
OPERATION STRONGTOWER HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS NOW GIVEN STRONGTOWER, CCS’S SQUAD LEADER, FULL AUTHORITY OVER THE LINDSEY BAUM, NANCY MOYER, NICOLE PIETZ, & MISTEY COPSEY CASES! CCS HAS MOVED ON TO JUAREZ TO NEUTRALIZE A STRING OF SERIAL MURDERS: STRONGTOWER ALSO HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL JURISDICTION ON AMERICAN SOIL, & ALL 50 STATES ARE NOW HIS RESPONSIBILITY! By the way, was WW/Wayne Scott Watne the one who Parted Josh & Lindsey Baum like the Red Sea? Strongtower’s gonna find out! Thats why CCS pay’s him!! WW, your beyond being ‘Profiled, your Strongtower’s #1 Suspect!! Mark Duncan, your #2. What’s this about some Cat who works at the Bee-hive Resturant? Something about a Low-rider, White, that has a hard time going over Speed Bumps!! #3!!! By the way, just how Thourgh is Strongtower when Flushing out “Persons of Interest? He is soooooooooooooo dang Thourgh!!!!! Strongtower’s about ready to have a ‘Mood Swing, & start Kicking in some Doors. #1, #2, #3, feel like having your Door Kicked in? Well do ya????????????????????????? GOD BLESS



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:49:22 AM
This is probably completely inappropriate but this persons post make me  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 12:51:01 AM
TY Mission  ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Welcome Northern Rose - This case is a real mind twist - I pray that answers will come soon and Lindsey will be found  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Mind twist is understatement.  Only thing I am sure of is that Lindsey needs to be found and soon!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 12:57:59 AM
This is probably completely inappropriate but this persons post make me  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I read that post three times  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 01:01:11 AM
Likely already posted:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63486167.html

Police: Lindsey Baum's disappearance still a mystery
by Matt Markovich

Originally printed at http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63486167.html

MCCLEARY, Wash. - Nine days after executing search warrants at the home of a "person of interest" in the Lindsey Baum disappearance, police now say that person is no longer a target in the case.

The 23-year-old McCleary man initially caught the attention of investigators after he gave conflicting alibis about his whereabouts on June 26, the night Lindsey vanished while walking home from a friend's house.

But after conducting a thorough search of properties owned by his family, detectives say they found nothing that "immediately" implicates him in the case.

The development was a letdown for many who thought the search warrants were a very visible sign of hope that progress was being made in the case of the missing 11-year-old girl.

But without finding any evidence of foul play, authorities said they have no persons of interest and no suspects.

More than three months have elapsed since Lindsey vanished - seemingly into thin air. Scores of volunteers have searched the area surrounding McCleary, a small mill town where everyone knows their neighbors.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott says some material was gathered during last weekend's searches at the McCleary family's properties, but none of it appeared to be incriminating.

"Should results of forensic examination come back positive for this investigation, he would become again someone of interest - but at this point we have no specific person or persons we are looking at," Scott says.

On Friday, about 60 volunteers began a two-day search for any clues in the McCleary area - one of many volunteer searches since Lindsey disappeared.

The searchers found clothes and bones - but it had no relationship to the case.

"The bones were determined to be animal, and the clothing was determined to have been there well beyond the three months that Lindsey has disappeared," Scott says.

The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office says investigators will continue to chase every lead they get.

Meanwhile, the girl's mother, Melissa Baum, says she remains hopeful that Lindsey will be found alive.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:01:37 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I have not laughed that hard in ages. I guess he thinks he is Clint Eastwood. My kids had to pause their television program until I quit laughing. Everything about this case reminds me of Twin Peaks. Poor Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:03:16 AM
By the way, thank you KLASSEND for that link! It was entertaining to say the least.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 01:04:42 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I have not laughed that hard in ages. I guess he thinks he is Clint Eastwood. My kids had to pause their television program until I quit laughing. Everything about this case reminds me of Twin Peaks. Poor Lindsey

I was laughing so hard my dog came up to me and put his nose right in my face to see if I was having a medical episode and he needed to save me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 01:11:11 AM
By the way, thank you KLASSEND for that link! It was entertaining to say the least.

You're welcome.  The guy has been posting at least since March 2009 in various cases.  Now, either is he a serial murderer involved in all of these cases OR he's a kook.  I vote for kook.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Missiontoconvict on October 05, 2009, 01:12:41 AM
Hi Northern Rose,
I have not laughed that hard in ages. I guess he thinks he is Clint Eastwood. My kids had to pause their television program until I quit laughing. Everything about this case reminds me of Twin Peaks. Poor Lindsey

I was laughing so hard my dog came up to me and put his nose right in my face to see if I was having a medical episode and he needed to save me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Thank goodness he didn't need to save you......I was waiting for the theme song from Batman to begin when I read that one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:13:24 AM
hello chatty kathy's! My goodness took me over an hour to catch up! The message dd spoke of I see

CDDC as in "see DD see"? I don't know that is just what I got from it. Those letters were in brackets so they stand out to me.

Interesting about the dad. I thought he had a step dad though, no? Wasn't that said somewhere about his changing his name to his step dads and it was wondered if the the name was Walters? I don't know though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:16:02 AM
Hi All,
It took me forever to catch up from this morning! Just when you think this case cannot get any stranger.......

STRONGTOWER Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
OPERATION STRONGTOWER HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS NOW GIVEN STRONGTOWER, CCS’S SQUAD LEADER, FULL AUTHORITY OVER THE LINDSEY BAUM, NANCY MOYER, NICOLE PIETZ, & MISTEY COPSEY CASES! CCS HAS MOVED ON TO JUAREZ TO NEUTRALIZE A STRING OF SERIAL MURDERS: STRONGTOWER ALSO HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL JURISDICTION ON AMERICAN SOIL, & ALL 50 STATES ARE NOW HIS RESPONSIBILITY! By the way, was WW/Wayne Scott Watne the one who Parted Josh & Lindsey Baum like the Red Sea? Strongtower’s gonna find out! Thats why CCS pay’s him!! WW, your beyond being ‘Profiled, your Strongtower’s #1 Suspect!! Mark Duncan, your #2. What’s this about some Cat who works at the Bee-hive Resturant? Something about a Low-rider, White, that has a hard time going over Speed Bumps!! #3!!! By the way, just how Thourgh is Strongtower when Flushing out “Persons of Interest? He is soooooooooooooo dang Thourgh!!!!! Strongtower’s about ready to have a ‘Mood Swing, & start Kicking in some Doors. #1, #2, #3, feel like having your Door Kicked in? Well do ya????????????????????????? GOD BLESS



lol I have no words, none.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 01:16:47 AM
May be a coincidence:

http://www.myspace.com/strongtowerym


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 05, 2009, 01:21:56 AM
Well, I realize I'm going to embarrass myself with my own stupidity again....but....I thought DG's parent's were divorced because of this:

20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

And I thought his mom's last name was Walters.  So is Tena Golders = Konamocha?  I think I thought Tamra White was DG's mom, which makes no sense...must have been the last names starting with W and DG's girlfriend calling her "mama."  Sigh. 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:23:39 AM
Well, I realize I'm going to embarrass myself with my own stupidity again....but....I thought DG's parent's were divorced because of this:

20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

And I thought his mom's last name was Walters.  So is Tena Golders = Konamocha?  I think I thought Tamra White was DG's mom, which makes no sense...must have been the last names starting with W and DG's girlfriend calling her "mama."  Sigh. 




Thank you I thought I read that somewhere. So is there an alice walters associated with Dale Walters?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:24:29 AM
May be a coincidence:

http://www.myspace.com/strongtowerym

HMMMMM Not sure at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:26:37 AM
Well, I realize I'm going to embarrass myself with my own stupidity again....but....I thought DG's parent's were divorced because of this:

20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

And I thought his mom's last name was Walters.  So is Tena Golders = Konamocha?  I think I thought Tamra White was DG's mom, which makes no sense...must have been the last names starting with W and DG's girlfriend calling her "mama."  Sigh. 

Hi Tracygirl,
There was a friend of Lindsey's twilight myspace that was an Alice Walters. I don't think this person was ever identified. I looked and found another myspace for an Alice Walters that was opened in Sept of this year and looks just like the one that was on Lindsey's myspace. It may be nothing, but strange this person was on Lindseys page.




Thank you I thought I read that somewhere. So is there an alice walters associated with Dale Walters?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 01:29:44 AM
Nite Monkeys....my brain is fried as is my bank account after trying to find all that info today...........Justice for Lindsey is all we want, let the chips fall where they may ::MonkeyAngel::


PS~Klaas , I posted his myspce page a couple of pages back and it's a doozie.......

http://www.myspace.com/495207585

and his photobucket

http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab74/OPERATIONFLUSHOUT/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 01:30:21 AM
Hi All,
It took me forever to catch up from this morning! Just when you think this case cannot get any stranger.......

STRONGTOWER Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
OPERATION STRONGTOWER HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS NOW GIVEN STRONGTOWER, CCS’S SQUAD LEADER, FULL AUTHORITY OVER THE LINDSEY BAUM, NANCY MOYER, NICOLE PIETZ, & MISTEY COPSEY CASES! CCS HAS MOVED ON TO JUAREZ TO NEUTRALIZE A STRING OF SERIAL MURDERS: STRONGTOWER ALSO HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL JURISDICTION ON AMERICAN SOIL, & ALL 50 STATES ARE NOW HIS RESPONSIBILITY! By the way, was WW/Wayne Scott Watne the one who Parted Josh & Lindsey Baum like the Red Sea? Strongtower’s gonna find out! Thats why CCS pay’s him!! WW, your beyond being ‘Profiled, your Strongtower’s #1 Suspect!! Mark Duncan, your #2. What’s this about some Cat who works at the Bee-hive Resturant? Something about a Low-rider, White, that has a hard time going over Speed Bumps!! #3!!! By the way, just how Thourgh is Strongtower when Flushing out “Persons of Interest? He is soooooooooooooo dang Thourgh!!!!! Strongtower’s about ready to have a ‘Mood Swing, & start Kicking in some Doors. #1, #2, #3, feel like having your Door Kicked in? Well do ya????????????????????????? GOD BLESS



All I can say is...  WTH???   ::MonkeyEek::

looks like this person has done this with several cases.  focusing on lindsey's case right now.  sigh.

just google ---->  polymarkerdqa1  <------  to see more involvement in different cases.  this isn't anything new for him/them. 

here's more from him/them re lindsey:  (i have the id'ing info but xxxxx'd em out)

----------------------------

In the comments section at this link are the three posts that follow:
http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/ (http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/)

BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT
Posted August 24, 2009 at 5:00 am

ATTENTION GRAYS HARBOR/McCLEARY RESIDENTS: DISCUSSION FOR THE DAY: DID YOU KNOW THAT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE NOT ONLY LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MELISSA BAUM, BUT RATHER REMAINED UNKNOWN WHEN DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES CALLED HIS MISSIONARY CHURCH, ALSO LOCATED (1) BLOCK AWAY FROM HIS RESIDENCE? Did you also know that Lindsay Baum attended his ‘Phantom Church? WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, Your being Profiled in Connection with the Abduction of Lindsey Baum. TAKE NOTICE; DNA is now contracted to BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT. BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. When BPU, with over (15) years of ‘Serial Killer Tracking Experience, is Forced to Invoke their “Due Process right under the Fourteenth Amendment to make a Citizen’s Arrest, if it takes BPU 4 Seconds to Detain you, they took 3 Seconds to long, Thanks to the Training of the U.S. Military. DNA can be contacted at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com

----------------------

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 15, 2009 at 12:22 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: OPERATION FLUSHOUT LINDSEY BAUM’S ABDUCTOR HAS NOW COMMENCED. BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT HAS DISPATCHEDTHEIR CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD TO MCCLEARY WITH A SPECIAL INTEREST IN WAYNE SCOTT WATNE. Did you know that the new Private Search of LINDSEY BAUM’S Scent took the Search to N.E. BECK RD? Considering that a South Wind was Present, & if you put a Straitedge on that Sight, Quess what? It Intersects with WAYNE SCOTT WATNES Home & Church! CCS has Contacted the LE in McCleary to get a ‘Probable Cause Search Warrent to-gether on WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, & Commence “OPERATION FLUSHOUT.” Contact CCS at xxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com
www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fife, WA [OPERATION FLUSHOUT ON WAYNE SCOTT WATNE HAS NOW COMMENCED BY CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD]: Just how Cold is this Case Squad? When CCS is Forced to Detain a ‘Preditor, they are soooooo Cold.

------------------------------

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 16, 2009 at 5:08 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: Thought for today, Innocent Persons could care less if they had to take a Polygraph Test! In 1982, Gary Leon Ridgway was Arrestion for the Solicitation of Prostitution. Soon thereafter, he was Administered a Polygraph & Passed. The Polygraph Administrator Failed to ask Ridgway about his Involvement with 1 Murder Victim & 1 Attempted Murder Victim. Because the Polygraph Administrator Retained his Poly License from a Cracker Jax Box, Countless Women went on & Subsequently Died. I Believe that in 1984, 1 year before CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Operating then as Investigations-R-Us., began Tracking Ridgway, he too Refused to Poly. Case in Point; Ridgway was a Killing Machine: CCS Recently Contacted Ridgway at the St. Penn., & Informed him that the Reeson he Prayed on Troubled Girls & Prostitutes, is Because he was never Enough of a Man to Pick on Someone his own Size. Had Ridgway ever Picked on the Owner of CCS when Actively Tracking him, if it took CCS’S Owner 4 Seconds to Introduce Ridgway to Mr. Dirt, the Owner took 3 Seconds to long. WAYNE SCOTT WATNE Did Refuse to Poly, & Quess what? WATNE Red Flagged CCS’S new Cyber-Computor Again. Another “HIT” was Generated on WATNE!! [OPERATION FLUSHOUT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE] is now Commencing, & If you have any Vacation time built up WATNE, now would be a good time to take a Couple of Weeks off. When CCS Officialy hits McCleary & Beck Road, “WATCH OUT.” Do you feel like getting out of Dodge for (2) weeks Watne? Well Do you???????

--------------------------------



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 01:34:53 AM
Hi All,
It took me forever to catch up from this morning! Just when you think this case cannot get any stranger.......

STRONGTOWER Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
OPERATION STRONGTOWER HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS NOW GIVEN STRONGTOWER, CCS’S SQUAD LEADER, FULL AUTHORITY OVER THE LINDSEY BAUM, NANCY MOYER, NICOLE PIETZ, & MISTEY COPSEY CASES! CCS HAS MOVED ON TO JUAREZ TO NEUTRALIZE A STRING OF SERIAL MURDERS: STRONGTOWER ALSO HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL JURISDICTION ON AMERICAN SOIL, & ALL 50 STATES ARE NOW HIS RESPONSIBILITY! By the way, was WW/Wayne Scott Watne the one who Parted Josh & Lindsey Baum like the Red Sea? Strongtower’s gonna find out! Thats why CCS pay’s him!! WW, your beyond being ‘Profiled, your Strongtower’s #1 Suspect!! Mark Duncan, your #2. What’s this about some Cat who works at the Bee-hive Resturant? Something about a Low-rider, White, that has a hard time going over Speed Bumps!! #3!!! By the way, just how Thourgh is Strongtower when Flushing out “Persons of Interest? He is soooooooooooooo dang Thourgh!!!!! Strongtower’s about ready to have a ‘Mood Swing, & start Kicking in some Doors. #1, #2, #3, feel like having your Door Kicked in? Well do ya????????????????????????? GOD BLESS



All I can say is...  WTH???   ::MonkeyEek::

looks like this person has done this with several cases.  focusing on lindsey's case right now.  sigh.

just google ---->  polymarkerdqa1  <------  to see more involvement in different cases.  this isn't anything new for him/them. 

here's more from him/them re lindsey:  (i have the id'ing info but xxxxx'd em out)

----------------------------

In the comments section at this link are the three posts that follow:
http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/ (http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/)

BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT
Posted August 24, 2009 at 5:00 am

ATTENTION GRAYS HARBOR/McCLEARY RESIDENTS: DISCUSSION FOR THE DAY: DID YOU KNOW THAT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE NOT ONLY LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MELISSA BAUM, BUT RATHER REMAINED UNKNOWN WHEN DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES CALLED HIS MISSIONARY CHURCH, ALSO LOCATED (1) BLOCK AWAY FROM HIS RESIDENCE? Did you also know that Lindsay Baum attended his ‘Phantom Church? WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, Your being Profiled in Connection with the Abduction of Lindsey Baum. TAKE NOTICE; DNA is now contracted to BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT. BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. When BPU, with over (15) years of ‘Serial Killer Tracking Experience, is Forced to Invoke their “Due Process right under the Fourteenth Amendment to make a Citizen’s Arrest, if it takes BPU 4 Seconds to Detain you, they took 3 Seconds to long, Thanks to the Training of the U.S. Military. DNA can be contacted at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com

----------------------

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 15, 2009 at 12:22 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: OPERATION FLUSHOUT LINDSEY BAUM’S ABDUCTOR HAS NOW COMMENCED. BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT HAS DISPATCHEDTHEIR CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD TO MCCLEARY WITH A SPECIAL INTEREST IN WAYNE SCOTT WATNE. Did you know that the new Private Search of LINDSEY BAUM’S Scent took the Search to N.E. BECK RD? Considering that a South Wind was Present, & if you put a Straitedge on that Sight, Quess what? It Intersects with WAYNE SCOTT WATNES Home & Church! CCS has Contacted the LE in McCleary to get a ‘Probable Cause Search Warrent to-gether on WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, & Commence “OPERATION FLUSHOUT.” Contact CCS at xxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com
www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fife, WA [OPERATION FLUSHOUT ON WAYNE SCOTT WATNE HAS NOW COMMENCED BY CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD]: Just how Cold is this Case Squad? When CCS is Forced to Detain a ‘Preditor, they are soooooo Cold.

------------------------------

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 16, 2009 at 5:08 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: Thought for today, Innocent Persons could care less if they had to take a Polygraph Test! In 1982, Gary Leon Ridgway was Arrestion for the Solicitation of Prostitution. Soon thereafter, he was Administered a Polygraph & Passed. The Polygraph Administrator Failed to ask Ridgway about his Involvement with 1 Murder Victim & 1 Attempted Murder Victim. Because the Polygraph Administrator Retained his Poly License from a Cracker Jax Box, Countless Women went on & Subsequently Died. I Believe that in 1984, 1 year before CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Operating then as Investigations-R-Us., began Tracking Ridgway, he too Refused to Poly. Case in Point; Ridgway was a Killing Machine: CCS Recently Contacted Ridgway at the St. Penn., & Informed him that the Reeson he Prayed on Troubled Girls & Prostitutes, is Because he was never Enough of a Man to Pick on Someone his own Size. Had Ridgway ever Picked on the Owner of CCS when Actively Tracking him, if it took CCS’S Owner 4 Seconds to Introduce Ridgway to Mr. Dirt, the Owner took 3 Seconds to long. WAYNE SCOTT WATNE Did Refuse to Poly, & Quess what? WATNE Red Flagged CCS’S new Cyber-Computor Again. Another “HIT” was Generated on WATNE!! [OPERATION FLUSHOUT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE] is now Commencing, & If you have any Vacation time built up WATNE, now would be a good time to take a Couple of Weeks off. When CCS Officialy hits McCleary & Beck Road, “WATCH OUT.” Do you feel like getting out of Dodge for (2) weeks Watne? Well Do you???????

--------------------------------




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:37:32 AM
Hi All,
It took me forever to catch up from this morning! Just when you think this case cannot get any stranger.......

STRONGTOWER Says:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
OPERATION STRONGTOWER HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS NOW GIVEN STRONGTOWER, CCS’S SQUAD LEADER, FULL AUTHORITY OVER THE LINDSEY BAUM, NANCY MOYER, NICOLE PIETZ, & MISTEY COPSEY CASES! CCS HAS MOVED ON TO JUAREZ TO NEUTRALIZE A STRING OF SERIAL MURDERS: STRONGTOWER ALSO HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL JURISDICTION ON AMERICAN SOIL, & ALL 50 STATES ARE NOW HIS RESPONSIBILITY! By the way, was WW/Wayne Scott Watne the one who Parted Josh & Lindsey Baum like the Red Sea? Strongtower’s gonna find out! Thats why CCS pay’s him!! WW, your beyond being ‘Profiled, your Strongtower’s #1 Suspect!! Mark Duncan, your #2. What’s this about some Cat who works at the Bee-hive Resturant? Something about a Low-rider, White, that has a hard time going over Speed Bumps!! #3!!! By the way, just how Thourgh is Strongtower when Flushing out “Persons of Interest? He is soooooooooooooo dang Thourgh!!!!! Strongtower’s about ready to have a ‘Mood Swing, & start Kicking in some Doors. #1, #2, #3, feel like having your Door Kicked in? Well do ya????????????????????????? GOD BLESS



All I can say is...  WTH???   ::MonkeyEek::

looks like this person has done this with several cases.  focusing on lindsey's case right now.  sigh.

just google ---->  polymarkerdqa1  <------  to see more involvement in different cases.  this isn't anything new for him/them. 

here's more from him/them re lindsey:  (i have the id'ing info but xxxxx'd em out)

----------------------------

In the comments section at this link are the three posts that follow:
http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/ (http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/vanished-lindsey-baum-disappears-just-minutes-from-her-home/)

BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT
Posted August 24, 2009 at 5:00 am

ATTENTION GRAYS HARBOR/McCLEARY RESIDENTS: DISCUSSION FOR THE DAY: DID YOU KNOW THAT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE NOT ONLY LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MELISSA BAUM, BUT RATHER REMAINED UNKNOWN WHEN DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES CALLED HIS MISSIONARY CHURCH, ALSO LOCATED (1) BLOCK AWAY FROM HIS RESIDENCE? Did you also know that Lindsay Baum attended his ‘Phantom Church? WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, Your being Profiled in Connection with the Abduction of Lindsey Baum. TAKE NOTICE; DNA is now contracted to BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT. BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. When BPU, with over (15) years of ‘Serial Killer Tracking Experience, is Forced to Invoke their “Due Process right under the Fourteenth Amendment to make a Citizen’s Arrest, if it takes BPU 4 Seconds to Detain you, they took 3 Seconds to long, Thanks to the Training of the U.S. Military. DNA can be contacted at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com

----------------------

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 15, 2009 at 12:22 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: OPERATION FLUSHOUT LINDSEY BAUM’S ABDUCTOR HAS NOW COMMENCED. BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT HAS DISPATCHEDTHEIR CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD TO MCCLEARY WITH A SPECIAL INTEREST IN WAYNE SCOTT WATNE. Did you know that the new Private Search of LINDSEY BAUM’S Scent took the Search to N.E. BECK RD? Considering that a South Wind was Present, & if you put a Straitedge on that Sight, Quess what? It Intersects with WAYNE SCOTT WATNES Home & Church! CCS has Contacted the LE in McCleary to get a ‘Probable Cause Search Warrent to-gether on WAYNE SCOTT WATNE, & Commence “OPERATION FLUSHOUT.” Contact CCS at xxxxxxxxxxxx polymarkerdqa1@xxxxx.com
www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fife, WA [OPERATION FLUSHOUT ON WAYNE SCOTT WATNE HAS NOW COMMENCED BY CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD]: Just how Cold is this Case Squad? When CCS is Forced to Detain a ‘Preditor, they are soooooo Cold.

------------------------------

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD
Posted September 16, 2009 at 5:08 am

ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS: Thought for today, Innocent Persons could care less if they had to take a Polygraph Test! In 1982, Gary Leon Ridgway was Arrestion for the Solicitation of Prostitution. Soon thereafter, he was Administered a Polygraph & Passed. The Polygraph Administrator Failed to ask Ridgway about his Involvement with 1 Murder Victim & 1 Attempted Murder Victim. Because the Polygraph Administrator Retained his Poly License from a Cracker Jax Box, Countless Women went on & Subsequently Died. I Believe that in 1984, 1 year before CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Operating then as Investigations-R-Us., began Tracking Ridgway, he too Refused to Poly. Case in Point; Ridgway was a Killing Machine: CCS Recently Contacted Ridgway at the St. Penn., & Informed him that the Reeson he Prayed on Troubled Girls & Prostitutes, is Because he was never Enough of a Man to Pick on Someone his own Size. Had Ridgway ever Picked on the Owner of CCS when Actively Tracking him, if it took CCS’S Owner 4 Seconds to Introduce Ridgway to Mr. Dirt, the Owner took 3 Seconds to long. WAYNE SCOTT WATNE Did Refuse to Poly, & Quess what? WATNE Red Flagged CCS’S new Cyber-Computor Again. Another “HIT” was Generated on WATNE!! [OPERATION FLUSHOUT WAYNE SCOTT WATNE] is now Commencing, & If you have any Vacation time built up WATNE, now would be a good time to take a Couple of Weeks off. When CCS Officialy hits McCleary & Beck Road, “WATCH OUT.” Do you feel like getting out of Dodge for (2) weeks Watne? Well Do you???????

--------------------------------



Hi Wyks,
Oh geez, well you know where I am off to don't you?............................www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com  OF COURSE! LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 01:38:59 AM
Nite Monkeys....my brain is fried as is my bank account after trying to find all that info today...........Justice for Lindsey is all we want, let the chips fall where they may ::MonkeyAngel::


PS~Klaas , I posted his myspce page a couple of pages back and it's a doozie.......

http://www.myspace.com/495207585

and his photobucket

http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab74/OPERATIONFLUSHOUT/

Thanks IM, I didn't have time to look back.  I vote KOOK.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:42:15 AM
Well, I realize I'm going to embarrass myself with my own stupidity again....but....I thought DG's parent's were divorced because of this:

20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

And I thought his mom's last name was Walters.  So is Tena Golders = Konamocha?  I think I thought Tamra White was DG's mom, which makes no sense...must have been the last names starting with W and DG's girlfriend calling her "mama."  Sigh. 

Hi Tracygirl,
There was a friend of Lindsey's twilight myspace that was an Alice Walters. I don't think this person was ever identified. I looked and found another myspace for an Alice Walters that was opened in Sept of this year and looks just like the one that was on Lindsey's myspace. It may be nothing, but strange this person was on Lindseys page.




Thank you I thought I read that somewhere. So is there an alice walters associated with Dale Walters?

Do you have the link to the 2nd alice walters myspace?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:51:36 AM
Well, I realize I'm going to embarrass myself with my own stupidity again....but....I thought DG's parent's were divorced because of this:

20 Apr 2009 15:30
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace

http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=155284717

And I thought his mom's last name was Walters.  So is Tena Golders = Konamocha?  I think I thought Tamra White was DG's mom, which makes no sense...must have been the last names starting with W and DG's girlfriend calling her "mama."  Sigh. 

Hi Tracygirl,
There was a friend of Lindsey's twilight myspace that was an Alice Walters. I don't think this person was ever identified. I looked and found another myspace for an Alice Walters that was opened in Sept of this year and looks just like the one that was on Lindsey's myspace. It may be nothing, but strange this person was on Lindseys page.




Thank you I thought I read that somewhere. So is there an alice walters associated with Dale Walters?

Do you have the link to the 2nd alice walters myspace?

Hi,
I will go see if I can find it again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:54:15 AM
http://www.myspace.com/d343434 Here it is. They are going by "Grace" now, but I found it under Alice Walters.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 01:58:40 AM
Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:04:35 AM
The name Alice aka Alice Walters or Grace are seen in my space a few times. It is a bit freaky. All seem to not have pics up, none say the town they are in, just the U.S.

Here is the one with lindsey MS. http://www.myspace.com/480197876

There is one who is Alice Walters 18 from the US, no pics and she has 4 girls as friends all out of the Penn area. Here is the link  http://www.myspace.com/496569693

This is one with a TM on the pic and name??? http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67

Here is one that has no pic, same age http://www.myspace.com/458423135

Strange isn't it? This has to be a part of this case..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:04:48 AM


Hi Wyks,
Oh geez, well you know where I am off to don't you?............................www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com  OF COURSE! LOL

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I tell ya, Sebastian, am almost afraid to look!!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:08:39 AM
Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.

lol I clicked oh my! thank goodness my husband didn't wake up, he is asleep on the couch!

Very hardcore porn


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:09:06 AM
The name Alice aka Alice Walters or Grace are seen in my space a few times. It is a bit freaky. All seem to not have pics up, none say the town they are in, just the U.S.

Here is the one with lindsey MS. http://www.myspace.com/480197876

There is one who is Alice Walters 18 from the US, no pics and she has 4 girls as friends all out of the Penn area. Here is the link  http://www.myspace.com/496569693

This is one with a TM on the pic and name??? http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67

Here is one that has no pic, same age http://www.myspace.com/458423135

Strange isn't it? This has to be a part of this case..

Very strange, TG!!  I don't even know what to think!   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:10:23 AM
Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.

lol I clicked oh my! thank goodness my husband didn't wake up, he is asleep on the couch!

Very hardcore porn


And TG takes one for the team!!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:11:11 AM
The name Alice aka Alice Walters or Grace are seen in my space a few times. It is a bit freaky. All seem to not have pics up, none say the town they are in, just the U.S.

Here is the one with lindsey MS. http://www.myspace.com/480197876

There is one who is Alice Walters 18 from the US, no pics and she has 4 girls as friends all out of the Penn area. Here is the link  http://www.myspace.com/496569693

This is one with a TM on the pic and name??? http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67

Here is one that has no pic, same age http://www.myspace.com/458423135

Strange isn't it? This has to be a part of this case..

Very strange, TG!!  I don't even know what to think!   ::MonkeyEek::



It is weird, wonder if we can make sure none of the girls are missing from that penn area myspace.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:14:00 AM
This case was wayyyy more than confusing before.  And then with all that has been found just recently!!  Dang.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused:: 





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:17:41 AM
The name Alice aka Alice Walters or Grace are seen in my space a few times. It is a bit freaky. All seem to not have pics up, none say the town they are in, just the U.S.

Here is the one with lindsey MS. http://www.myspace.com/480197876

There is one who is Alice Walters 18 from the US, no pics and she has 4 girls as friends all out of the Penn area. Here is the link  http://www.myspace.com/496569693

This is one with a TM on the pic and name??? http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67

Here is one that has no pic, same age http://www.myspace.com/458423135

Strange isn't it? This has to be a part of this case..

Very strange, TG!!  I don't even know what to think!   ::MonkeyEek::



It is weird, wonder if we can make sure none of the girls are missing from that penn area myspace.

Oh gosh!  Well.... We can try.  Google is our friend.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:26:11 AM
I don't know if it is confusing wykes. I think we are confusing ourselves with too much information and too much imagination, pointing at myself!!!. Maybe if we all stay with what we know are facts we can develop something, however, I think there are things which we have not been told or details that have not been released.

What are the facts as we know them?

Lindsey left Kara's
she was last seen at about 9:30 at the corner of Maple and 6th (6th right?)
Other people were out that night who probably helped in pinpointing this as being the last place she was seen.

what else are the facts?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:27:27 AM
Just want to post this before closing these windows. 

Pretty tame, considering the posts in the last few pages.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

It just shows how Mr. Golder does change his names around.   And age, it seems.

-----------------

from peoplefinders.com

GOLDER, CLIFFORD  DONALD
Age: 45

Associated names:
GOLDER, DALE
GOLDER, DON
GOLDER, DONALD C
GOLDER, TENAMARIE

    * GOLDER, CLIFFORD  D  (Age 48)
    * GOLDER, TENA

-----------------------------

from veromi.net

GOLDER, CLIFFORD D (Age 48)

Associated names:
GOLDER, DONALD C
   MCCLEARY, WA    

Possible Relatives:
GOLDERMILLS, WAYNE A (Age 48)
GOLDER, CLIFFORD DONALD (Age 45)
GOLDER, DICK N
GOLDER, DIANA J (Age 68)
GOLDER, WAYNE A (Age 44)
GOLDER, RICHARD N (Age 74)


.............  and .................


GOLDER, CLIFFORD DONALD (Age 45)

Associated names:

 GOLDER, DALE
 GOLDER, DON
 GOLDER, DONALD C
 GOLDER, TENA MARIE
   MCCLEARY, WA    

Possible Relatives:
GOLDER, CLIFFORD D (Age 48)
GOLDER, TENA



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:32:40 AM
So Tena I guess from that one statement about Dale Walters changing his name, that Clifford is not his bio dad? Can you find anything on a Tena Walters?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:36:54 AM
I don't know if it is confusing wykes. I think we are confusing ourselves with too much information and too much imagination, pointing at myself!!!. Maybe if we all stay with what we know are facts we can develop something, however, I think there are things which we have not been told or details that have not been released.

What are the facts as we know them?

Lindsey left Kara's
she was last seen at about 9:30 at the corner of Maple and 6th (6th right?)
Other people were out that night who probably helped in pinpointing this as being the last place she was seen.

what else are the facts?


Right.. Maple and 6th.

As far as the rest of the "facts", it's really hard to know which is true, rumor, lies, etc.   I was digging thru my notes earlier, and got sidetracked with something else.  Not hard to do in this case.  Sigh.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:42:22 AM
Just curious, what charge is FAILURE TO REDEEM BANK CHECK? What does this mean?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:44:16 AM
So Tena I guess from that one statement about Dale Walters changing his name, that Clifford is not his bio dad? Can you find anything on a Tena Walters?

None that I can find on peoplefinders or veromi, at least from WA.  Do we have any other states she may have lived, or have family? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 02:45:16 AM
Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.

lol I clicked oh my! thank goodness my husband didn't wake up, he is asleep on the couch!

Very hardcore porn


And TG takes one for the team!!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::




No Kidding! Go TG!  ::MonkeyCheer4:: You are much braver than I!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:48:10 AM
lol I had one eye closed and very red cheeks! Again, thank god my husband didn't open his eyes at that moment, lol. He would have feel off the sofa


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:50:51 AM
Just curious, what charge is FAILURE TO REDEEM BANK CHECK? What does this mean?

I may be wrong, am thinking it's when there is a bounced check, and the person has to give the bank the amount to cover that check, plus bounce fees.  Just another way of saying it, maybe? 

redeem = clear by payment





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:54:36 AM
Not sure if this has already been pointed out, or not. 

(sorry no link given for the info. or how/where they got it.  yet anyway.)


From WS:

1 Golder, Don Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 96-2-0439 05-16-1996

2 Golder, Donald C Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y2-2-0432 07-26-2002

3 Golder, Donald CJudgment Debtor G H Co Superior 03-9-00500-4 03-17-2003

4 Golder, Donald C Defendant G H Co Superior 03-2-00449-5 03-17-2003

1 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Clifford Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Clifford Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

5 Golder, Clifford D Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001

6 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 04-2-00171-1 02-06-2004

7 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 96-9-01639-1 09-23-1996

8 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 04-9-00198-8 02-06-2004

9 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 96-1-00150-6 03-29-1996

1 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 05-9-01671-1 09-28-2005

5 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

6 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 99-2-01283-2 11-04-1999

7 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #1 Y0-1-0663 06-15-2000

8 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y8-2-2252 10-29-2008

9 Golder, Tena Marie Defendant Shelton Municipal Ct 44621C 09-09-2003

10 Golder, Tena Marie Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:56:29 AM
Just curious, what charge is FAILURE TO REDEEM BANK CHECK? What does this mean?

I may be wrong, am thinking it's when there is a bounced check, and the person has to give the bank the amount to cover that check, plus bounce fees.  Just another way of saying it, maybe? 

redeem = clear by payment





Thank you wykes, I couldn't figure it out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:56:33 AM
Seems that a lot of those are 'debtor judgements'. 

Not paying their bills, or not on time? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:58:15 AM
yea, that is what I think too wykes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 03:01:19 AM
oh my another day gone without finding this poor child. I need to get to bed, morning times comes fast.

Good night fellow monkeys, may tomorrow bring news that leds the way to finding her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:06:18 AM
from WS:


there is no offense date

CLIFFORD GOLDER
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 10/31/1960
AGE: 48 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165
HEIGHT: 68
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Brown

CASE NUMBER: 754108 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE:
COUNTS: DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: OFFENSE DATE:
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS:
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
FINES:

-----------------------------

Soooooooo... the offense occured in Nevada, but was handled in a Washington court? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:06:46 AM
Ok, I hate to throw something else into the mix, but here goes. Our buddy, Strongtower, said in one of his posts that his name is Ronald Baskett. He also said he was from Fife, WA.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist'

At least one of these is a child mol charge. I am going to go back and read the others. IF it is the same person that posts on these cases, he has also sued the jails for not letting him have his medications, his court appointed therapists for making him look at porn and not be a christian therapist, etc. etc. etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 03:09:13 AM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:09:29 AM
Sorry, you have to go to this link first and type in Ronald L Baskett http://dw.courts.wa.gov/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:17:57 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:22:31 AM
Ok, I hate to throw something else into the mix, but here goes. Our buddy, Strongtower, said in one of his posts that his name is Ronald Baskett. He also said he was from Fife, WA.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist'

At least one of these is a child mol charge. I am going to go back and read the others. IF it is the same person that posts on these cases, he has also sued the jails for not letting him have his medications, his court appointed therapists for making him look at porn and not be a christian therapist, etc. etc. etc.

Sorry, you have to go to this link first and type in Ronald L Baskett http://dw.courts.wa.gov/


 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


Great find, Sebastian!!!!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:31:16 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

-----------------------

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::



Also at that link above:

Volunteers:
Thank God for our faithful setup crew,
Rob Rice, Matt Boyce, Kona Calica,
James Gallegos & John Welch.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:33:15 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




 ::MonkeyEek:: That is WEIRD!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:34:16 AM
If this guy is a SO, which it sure seems is the case, why is he so darn interested in Lindsey's case? He is even twittering http://twitter.com/TOUCHDNA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 03:36:03 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:39:49 AM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:40:37 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

Sure would like to hear more about this shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 03:47:40 AM
Maybe they cannot register him until they conclude his case? He keeps filing lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. Instead fo 60 months, they gave him 90 DAYS and he had to enroll and complete SO rehab! So rehab! I did not know that that even existed! He never completed "REHAB" and it looks like he has been filing lawsuits and appeals ever since? It also looks like he is NOT incarcerated unless he is sending all of this Lindsey stuff via prison.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:48:50 AM
And the link to that church's website:

http://www.turningpointolympia.com/ (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/)

Am looking for any other mention of Kona and Grace Calica.  And looking to see if they have or affiliate with a 'youth camp'. 

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 03:55:31 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

Sure would like to hear more about this shortcake

Well, Kona stated the vacant house had over 20 childrens clothes left there there over last 15 years.  Strange situation.  The "nursry workers" sounds like code for young working kids.  Jade has a a subject called "Human Trafficking".  Not really out of the question.  Put that with the "rumor" I heard of what Lindsy wanted to be.  Heavy on the rumor. Just makes mind go WHAT?  Then again it is late and I am tired.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:55:39 AM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!


I just snipped a bit from that link above. 

In April 2003, Petitioner was convicted on his guilty plea of first degree child molestation.

Hmmmmm... I was just reading earlier about 1st degree child mol not having to register as a SO.  And if that's true, might be partly why he keeps flying under the radar?   ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:00:45 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

Sure would like to hear more about this shortcake

Well, Kona stated the vacant house had over 20 childrens clothes left there there over last 15 years.  Strange situation.  The "nursry workers" sounds like code for young working kids.  Jade has a a subject called "Human Trafficking".  Not really out of the question.  Put that with the "rumor" I heard of what Lindsy wanted to be.  Heavy on the rumor. Just makes mind go WHAT?  Then again it is late and I am tired.

Ya know Shortcake....... With all the crapola we've learned just recently, combined with rumors, the lies, the feeling from many that 'big stuff' may be uncovered in this area..... what if this is just the beginning of that lid coming off????? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:04:47 AM
If this guy is a SO, which it sure seems is the case, why is he so darn interested in Lindsey's case? He is even twittering http://twitter.com/TOUCHDNA

Why indeed??  Oh gosh!  even a twitter account?   ::MonkeyConfused::

what you said in another post.. do you think it's possible for him to do all this, if he's in prison? 

but he sure has a bizarre interest in lindsey's case, not to mention all the others as well.  i sure hope that LE is aware of this guy and keeping a close eye on him, wherever he is!!!! 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 04:08:21 AM
I found a site for washington state prisoners and I think he is out free roaming our society  ::MonkeyMad:: I did not find where he is incarcerated.

Did you read the part of the church where they help "Sexual Addiction"!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 04:08:29 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

Sure would like to hear more about this shortcake

Well, Kona stated the vacant house had over 20 childrens clothes left there there over last 15 years.  Strange situation.  The "nursry workers" sounds like code for young working kids.  Jade has a a subject called "Human Trafficking".  Not really out of the question.  Put that with the "rumor" I heard of what Lindsy wanted to be.  Heavy on the rumor. Just makes mind go WHAT?  Then again it is late and I am tired.

Ya know Shortcake....... With all the crapola we've learned just recently, combined with rumors, the lies, the feeling from many that 'big stuff' may be uncovered in this area..... what if this is just the beginning of that lid coming off????? 


Well, it sure would be good news(Lindsey is alive).  Explain some of MB's actions and feeling she is alive and right under her nose.  Maybe even some  posts I have seen here.  Then I get carried away and someone has to bring me back to earth.  Probably hopeful thinking.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 04:09:20 AM
I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:17:40 AM
So Tena I guess from that one statement about Dale Walters changing his name, that Clifford is not his bio dad? Can you find anything on a Tena Walters?

I had thought that DG was the Golder's bio son, that maybe life experiences caused him to change his last name to Walters for whatever reason, and then back again.  ?? 

But at this point, I dunno what to think anymore.  That woman who was leaving msgs on the myspace says there was no name change, and etc.  But there was some discussion about this earlier that I'm trying to find again. 

Maybe he's a foster child, or adopted by the Golder's?  I just don't know. 

Will look at this tomorrow in more depth... my eyes are closing despite my brain spinning!! 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:18:49 AM
I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:24:36 AM
I found a site for washington state prisoners and I think he is out free roaming our society  ::MonkeyMad:: I did not find where he is incarcerated.

Did you read the part of the church where they help "Sexual Addiction"!

Darn, I was hoping he was locked up somewhere and LE could charge in there and yank his computer away.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

And NO!!!!  I hadn't gotten to that part of the church ministry yet!   ::MonkeyEek:: 

Thing is, what I've seen so far of that church, seems to be upfront and legit.  If they are, it will be an awful mess if it's found that some have been using them for nefarious reasons. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:30:39 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

Sure would like to hear more about this shortcake

Well, Kona stated the vacant house had over 20 childrens clothes left there there over last 15 years.  Strange situation.  The "nursry workers" sounds like code for young working kids.  Jade has a a subject called "Human Trafficking".  Not really out of the question.  Put that with the "rumor" I heard of what Lindsy wanted to be.  Heavy on the rumor. Just makes mind go WHAT?  Then again it is late and I am tired.

Ya know Shortcake....... With all the crapola we've learned just recently, combined with rumors, the lies, the feeling from many that 'big stuff' may be uncovered in this area..... what if this is just the beginning of that lid coming off????? 


Well, it sure would be good news(Lindsey is alive).  Explain some of MB's actions and feeling she is alive and right under her nose.  Maybe even some  posts I have seen here.  Then I get carried away and someone has to bring me back to earth.  Probably hopeful thinking.  shortcake

Sorry for not shortening the quote stack, just want to keep these together. 

Shortcake, it's hopeful thinking on my part too.  We can always hold out hope.  The fact that there seems to be NO SIGNS of Lindsey, either way, tells us she 'could' still be alive, somewhere.  And yes, that would be good news if she's alive and can be rescued from wherever, whatever.  Could be why there seems to be a hold up with the investigation?  LE may be planning a careful strategy. 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:33:05 AM
Ok, I gotta call it a night.  See you all in the morning, or afternoon...  lol   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/sleep.gif)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 04:39:36 AM
Wyks  do you know if Steph Cilica, DG's gf lives in E. Wash?  Arrive in McCleary about 9:30 when the communication quit.  Some gf claims to have been with DG at a BBQ held in the afternoon, but the police report says they believe she was somewhere else.  Am I streaching for answers?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Madre on October 05, 2009, 05:37:54 AM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 


Shortcake, in case you don't know, I think one of the rules at Scared Monkeys is ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER.  I don't see how that is going to help you find Lindsey. IMO


Wow, just got back and caught up here... unbelievable!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 06:21:14 AM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 


Shortcake, in case you don't know, I think one of the rules at Scared Monkeys is ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER.  I don't see how that is going to help you find Lindsey. IMO


Wow, just got back and caught up here... unbelievable!

Madre  Sorry if my statement about DD offended you or her. It was made in reference to as of late she seems hell bent to defend Tena.  From early on she stated she would do everything she could to defend Tena?  Now we find out Tena may be married to an SO and her son's actions are suspect.  It will be interesting to see how she explains recent revelations away.  To me it seems like spin.  Maybe not hers, but spin.  Why does she feel compled to defend Tena and pass along Tena's excuses for her dilemma anyhow?  Can't Tena still post?  Thanks and I to be more careful in the future.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 07:56:44 AM
Tamikosmom(Janet)  what I find suspicious about Harry Oakes email is:

Kona sends email to HO 9/7 5:28 PM
HO returns email      at  9/7 8:37 PM
Kona sends email to HO  9/7 9:15 PM
HO returns email      at  9/8 1:19 AM(after midnight)

You receive email from from Harry 9/8 12:42 PM about search results.

 So Harry sent three emails(one even after 1:00 AM) in less than 24 hours and nothing since?  Makes me wonder if emails sent out were really coming from him?  Maybe someone else sent you that email?  Just wondering.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 09:39:39 AM
Tamikosmom(Janet)  what I find suspicious about Harry Oakes email is:

Kona sends email to HO 9/7 5:28 PM
HO returns email      at  9/7 8:37 PM
Kona sends email to HO  9/7 9:15 PM
HO returns email      at  9/8 1:19 AM(after midnight)

You receive email from from Harry 9/8 12:42 PM about search results.

 So Harry sent three emails(one even after 1:00 AM) in less than 24 hours and nothing since?  Makes me wonder if emails sent out were really coming from him?  Maybe someone else sent you that email?  Just wondering.  shortcake

I have not read or heard of Kona/HO email exchange.  Can you bring those forward for our review and discussion?   The only one I was aware of was the exchange with Janet and HO.

thanks...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 09:48:48 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 09:52:13 AM
If this guy is a SO, which it sure seems is the case, why is he so darn interested in Lindsey's case? He is even twittering http://twitter.com/TOUCHDNA
WTH is going on  ::MonkeyEek::  I went to sleep last night, and now I'm more confused then ever  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 09:53:07 AM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!
Wow, thanks for all the info  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 09:55:29 AM
Tamikosmom(Janet)  what I find suspicious about Harry Oakes email is:

Kona sends email to HO 9/7 5:28 PM
HO returns email      at  9/7 8:37 PM
Kona sends email to HO  9/7 9:15 PM
HO returns email      at  9/8 1:19 AM(after midnight)

You receive email from from Harry 9/8 12:42 PM about search results.

 So Harry sent three emails(one even after 1:00 AM) in less than 24 hours and nothing since?  Makes me wonder if emails sent out were really coming from him?  Maybe someone else sent you that email?  Just wondering.  shortcake
   ::MonkeyEek:: Maybe


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 10:01:47 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.


Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 

::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally we have the offense date 3/1996 ::MonkeyGavel::

Good work!  If it is true that they have to register as SO only for 10 years if there are no other convictions, this would explain why he was not on the SO registery. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 10:22:45 AM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!
Wow, thanks for all the info  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow is right.  Was it determined he lived in Fife?  (right outside Tacoma)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:35:20 AM
Nite Monkeys....my brain is fried as is my bank account after trying to find all that info today...........Justice for Lindsey is all we want, let the chips fall where they may ::MonkeyAngel::

<snipped>



Thanks islandmonkey.

Good Morning All.

Janet
7:35 AM PT



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 10:39:05 AM
Hi Monkeys - I have never posted here on Lindsey's thread - I only read but I did find this info on Clifford Golder unfortunately they do not post case information so there is no way to know what he is a defendant of.....the one judgment notice listed does contain Tena Golders name.  I hope I am not posting something that shouldn't be or already may have been and if so I apologize.


Here is the offense # for the molestation charge OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 

::MonkeyCheer2::

Finally we have the offense date 3/1996 ::MonkeyGavel::

Good work!  If it is true that they have to register as SO only for 10 years if there are no other convictions, this would explain why he was not on the SO registery. 

There has been some confusion as to which case was the molestation chargem but when I did a background search, the above case number was the referenced one and it correlates to the 3/29/1996 date:


IDENTIFICATION
Clifford D Golder
WHITE M
SOURCE: Washington
DOB: Oct 31, 1960
PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165 LBS
HEIGHT: 56 IN
EYE COLOR: BROWN
HAIR COLOR: GRAY
 
OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: 961001506 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COUNTY CONVICTED: GRAYS HARBOR STATE CODE: WA
OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
Nite Monkeys....my brain is fried as is my bank account after trying to find all that info today...........Justice for Lindsey is all we want, let the chips fall where they may ::MonkeyAngel::

<snipped>



Thanks islandmonkey.

Good Morning All.

Janet
7:35 AM PT



YW Janet and good morning monkeys ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
Here's the question of the day  ::MonkeyEek:: Kona/Tena sure as heck knows about her husband and the charges, and she sure as heck remembers her son Dale and the incident with the 12 year old, at least I think she does. So, why would you get yourself mixed up in a case of a young girl's disappearance? Surely she must have realized people were going to do some digging into her family  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 10:46:33 AM
I sure hope DD comes on and clears some of this up today  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
Here's the question of the day  ::MonkeyEek:: Kona/Tena sure as heck knows about her husband and the charges, and she sure as heck remembers her son Dale and the incident with the 12 year old, at least I think she does. So, why would you get yourself mixed up in a case of a young girl's disappearance? Surely she must have realized people were going to do some digging into her family  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree and had it been disclosed in the beginning it wouldn't look so suspect, but when I see the post from DD stating that he had absolutely nothing to do with this and goes on and on about how he is wrking 2 jobs and is a good kid (which he might be, but his myspace page and other info make me curious), I question that unless she knows this person and not just via the net, but knows his family and the dynamics there within, how can someone make such an absolute judgement call from a relationship that was via the net.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 11:04:10 AM
Considering the case numbers differ ... it can be assumed that this guy has a history in regards to the violation of children.

Janet

+++++++


from WS:


there is no offense date

CLIFFORD GOLDER
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 10/31/1960
AGE: 48 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165
HEIGHT: 68
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Brown

CASE NUMBER: 754108 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE:
COUNTS: DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: OFFENSE DATE:
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS:
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
FINES:

-----------------------------

Soooooooo... the offense occured in Nevada, but was handled in a Washington court? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::




 Full Name:  Clifford Golder Date of Birth:  10/31/1960
AKAs:  Height:  5'8"
Weight:  165 LBS
Hair Color:  GRAY
Eye Color:  BROWN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
 

ADDRESSES 
     
     

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: 961001506  
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 9A44089
Offense Description: CHILD MOLESTATION 3
Conviction Place: GRAYS HARBOR
Date Reported:   
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 11:08:18 AM
And that's all very disturbing  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 11:11:16 AM
Tamikosmom(Janet)  what I find suspicious about Harry Oakes email is:

Kona sends email to HO 9/7 5:28 PM
HO returns email      at  9/7 8:37 PM
Kona sends email to HO  9/7 9:15 PM
HO returns email      at  9/8 1:19 AM(after midnight)

You receive email from from Harry 9/8 12:42 PM about search results.

 So Harry sent three emails(one even after 1:00 AM) in less than 24 hours and nothing since?  Makes me wonder if emails sent out were really coming from him?  Maybe someone else sent you that email?  Just wondering.  shortcake

I have not read or heard of Kona/HO email exchange.  Can you bring those forward for our review and discussion?   The only one I was aware of was the exchange with Janet and HO.

thanks...

AZsunny  I don't know how to bring it forward.  Maybe someone else can.  It is Kona's post on Lindsey Baum #4, post #415, on 9/8 where she reveals her emails with Harry Oakes.  Sorry, this the best I can do.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:17:19 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night ::MonkeyConfused::

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness
.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.


dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.



thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 11:19:42 AM
KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »


Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

Part 1:

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry
 

 Part 3 :

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
Part 4:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936546#msg936546




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 11:21:56 AM
I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

How right you were, SEBASTIAN. I am here trying to catch up, my brain has over heated, and now my hair is on fire.
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/haironfire.gif)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
Prior to receiving the following email from Harry Oakes ... I had not been aware there had been a Beck Street search.

Janet

+++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #382 on: September 08, 2009, 07:52:39 PM »


Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically referenced the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936196#msg936196



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 11:26:08 AM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.

AZsunny  I stated "kinda sounds like young street working girls"  Didn't say fact.  When I read the whole paragraph, that "is" what came to mind.  Strange choice of words to describe an opening and all those people who keep the nursey staffed.  Maybe I should have kept it to myself, but I thought this was all about building on ideas.  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

How right you were, SEBASTIAN. I am here trying to catch up, my brain has over heated, and now my hair is on fire.
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/haironfire.gif)


I feel your pain Fanny~yesterday was crazy ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 11:39:04 AM
Big thanks Janet.  I don't know my way around and need a lot of help.  Thanks again sister for bringing those posts up.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 11:43:06 AM
KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »


Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

Part 1:

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry
 

 Part 3 :

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
Part 4:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936546#msg936546




Thank you Janet, I was just going to search for these.  I don't remember reading them before. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 11:49:52 AM
I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

How right you were, SEBASTIAN. I am here trying to catch up, my brain has over heated, and now my hair is on fire.
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/haironfire.gif)


I feel your pain Fanny~yesterday was crazy ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I was here till almost 8pm, and things seemed to have come to a standstill. How wrong I was.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 11:55:30 AM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 05, 2009, 12:03:43 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::

ahh i was gone for one day this weekend and i come back and so much is going on. i hope this is bringing us closer to finding lindsey. i willl put together a mroe thought out post once i can wrap my head around all of this


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 12:08:27 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 12:08:41 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::

ahh i was gone for one day this weekend and i come back and so much is going on. i hope this is bringing us closer to finding lindsey. i willl put together a mroe thought out post once i can wrap my head around all of this

Thanks, Sunshine, I was feeling lonely, so I went and got gun to lay beside my keyboard.  shortcake ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:10:09 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 

oh so not cool shortcake. Sounds like you are implicating DD in this posting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:11:09 PM
Sorry, you have to go to this link first and type in Ronald L Baskett http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

wow crazy! this is strange to say the least


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 05, 2009, 12:12:32 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 


Shortcake, in case you don't know, I think one of the rules at Scared Monkeys is ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER.  I don't see how that is going to help you find Lindsey. IMO


Wow, just got back and caught up here... unbelievable!

Just wanted to say that I was not attacking DD, just that I can't make any sense from her post....they are like reading riddles.It may just be me and my brains way of reading things. Not in any way ,shape, or form trying to put down a poster.Sorry if I offended anyone!

Forgot my manners: Good Morning Monkeys and Guest.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
Search for missing girl comes up empty

MCCLEARY, Wash., Oct. 5 (UPI) -- A weekend hunt for evidence in the disappearance of an 11-year-old Washington state girl failed to turn up any leads, authorities say.

Despite the efforts of hundreds of volunteers, no clues were found as to the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum of McCleary, Wash., ABC News reported.

Search warrant affidavits indicated that a man who works at a retirement home near Lindsey's house had been designated as a person of interest.

"There was no evidence that clearly indicated that the people and the individual we were looking at had anything to do with her disappearance," Undersheriff Rick Scott of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Department told the U.S. broadcaster. "Having served these warrants, we found nothing, so we're pursuing other leads."

MORE....

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/10/05/Search-for-missing-girl-comes-up-empty/UPI-13551254756448/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:14:47 PM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)

----------------------------------------------------

(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::




Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

Not following this connection Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:15:38 PM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!

Is this the same person as the one who posted those messages?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
Leads fall off in missing girl case

Updated Oct 5, 2009 - 8:02 am

It's back to square-one for searchers in McCleary. Police now say they have no "person of interest" in the disappearance of 11 year old Lindsey Baum.

The man the Grays Harbor Sheriff's office had been investigating is now in the clear.

Investigators say they have nothing right now that links the 23 year-old to Lindsey's disappearance, and they have no new leads and no people of interest.

MORE...

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=221019


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
I feel sorry for all of the monkeys that are sound asleep in their little monkey beds right now. They are going to come log on in the morning and go WTH!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

How right you were, SEBASTIAN. I am here trying to catch up, my brain has over heated, and now my hair is on fire.
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/haironfire.gif)


I feel your pain Fanny~yesterday was crazy ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I was here till almost 8pm, and things seemed to have come to a standstill. How wrong I was.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Oh yeah - and it's now more cryptic anc confusing than ever ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 12:17:45 PM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)
----------------------------------------------------
(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::


Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.

AZsunny  I stated "kinda sounds like young street working girls"  Didn't say fact.  When I read the whole paragraph, that "is" what came to mind.  Strange choice of words to describe an opening and all those people who keep the nursey staffed.  Maybe I should have kept it to myself, but I thought this was all about building on ideas.  shortcake 

Shortcake, how does this "kinda sounds like young street working girls"?  what words gave you that notion?  Building ideas on "kinda sounds like" -- ???  It "kinda sounds" legitimate to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:25:26 PM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!

Is this the same person as the one who posted those messages?

Good Morning TG!
This poster who goes by Strongtower has also put in at least one of his posts that his name is Ronald Baskett from Fife, WA. I looked up Ronald Baskett and found all of this stuff. I am assuming it is the same person based on the fact that he is an SO and the name, Ronald Baskett is not common. I still don't understand why a SO keeps posting all over the place about Lindsey. Some really bizarre posts. He lists a phone number on most of his posts. Does anyone have a NON-TRACEABLE throw away phone that might want to give him a ring-ding-a-ling?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:27:30 PM
Goodmorning sister, I know, I didn't follow that one either. I think it is important we control our over active imaginations a bit. This is how rumors begin and it is the rumors that, imho, are harming this case. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
By the way, DD said that his messages are encrypted? I have no idea what she means as she did not elaborate too much. Where are you DD? Please come in and help us with some of these questions.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
http://www.websupp.org/data/WDWA/2:06-cv-01525-16-WDWA.pdf

OK, Now I am getting really  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: You have to read this! It appears that he keeps getting light sentences for child offenses and is supposed to go into SO treatment, quits and then sues! Unbelievable. How many times does he get to offend? Not to mention, I cannot find him as a registered SO!

Is this the same person as the one who posted those messages?

Good Morning TG!
This poster who goes by Strongtower has also put in at least one of his posts that his name is Ronald Baskett from Fife, WA. I looked up Ronald Baskett and found all of this stuff. I am assuming it is the same person based on the fact that he is an SO and the name, Ronald Baskett is not common. I still don't understand why a SO keeps posting all over the place about Lindsey. Some really bizarre posts. He lists a phone number on most of his posts. Does anyone have a NON-TRACEABLE throw away phone that might want to give him a ring-ding-a-ling?

Lets first try to find out if they are one in the same person. I don't suggest calling anyone, but reporting this to the FBI maybe a way to go that is safe


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:39:23 PM
I think I need to recap: He is all over the net regarding Lindsey, Nancy Moyer and other missing persons in the state of Washington. He makes threats laced with religion. I checked out the ONLY Ronald Baskett in the area as he put his name on one of his posts. He was arrested for child molestation. He apparently was given a 60 MONTH sentence. Some idiot judge knocked it down to 90 DAYS with the provision that he complete "Sex Offender rehab". I have never even heard of such a thing! Naturally, he does not complete his "rehab". He is arrested again. He proceeds to file lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. He sued the jail for not allowing him his medications. He sued his therapist for making him watch porn and not allowing him a "Christian therapist". He has MANY other court documents and lawsuits but I was only able to access the one. I found a site that allows you to look up current prisoners. He does not appear to be incarcerated. I am sickened that these people continue to roam free and get slaps on the wrist. Now Washington state has a "Sex Offender Rehab program"? Are you kidding me. Is this the same Ronald Baskett that that is writing all of these posts? Probably, but I cannot prove it. The very least I can do is write the State of Washington and ask them why they are allowing Sex offenders extremely light sentences for enrollment in "Sex offender rehab". I would also love to see their SUCCESS RATE with this idiotic program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 12:41:29 PM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)
----------------------------------------------------
(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::


Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.

AZsunny  I stated "kinda sounds like young street working girls"  Didn't say fact.  When I read the whole paragraph, that "is" what came to mind.  Strange choice of words to describe an opening and all those people who keep the nursey staffed.  Maybe I should have kept it to myself, but I thought this was all about building on ideas.  shortcake 

Shortcake, how does this "kinda sounds like young street working girls"?  what words gave you that notion?  Building ideas on "kinda sounds like" -- ???  It "kinda sounds" legitimate to me.

Well the " nursey worker position" along with 13 people who keep the nursery staffed is what got my attention.  Maybe it is multiple nursery's.  Seemed a little overwhelming to me.  I hope you can understand why I jumped to that conclusion.  I need to go back and reasssess.  Thanks. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
I have been in the rafters forever, this is the most confusing stuff I have ever read....Is it just me or does anyone else have a problem figuring out DD's post? They go round and round and never lead to anywhere. Like you have to sleuth her post to figure out what the heck she is talking about. Riddle after riddle.

Darla Exactly - I believe some of DDs' posts are somewhat suspect.  Her defense of Kona seemed very strange to say the least.  For a while I was thinking Kona and DD were one and the same, maybe related or at least friends.  I found a few facts that Kona said were unusual.  Also DD stated Kona(Tena) was third generation in that area.  If so, I wonder how many relatives of hers live on that hill?  Does her husband have parents living nearby?  How many SO's live in that neighborhood?  Remember Jessy? I also begin to wonder if this is the first time this has happened.  I know there was a girl who disappeared in the small town of Tenino(about 40 mi away) under similar circumstances not long ago?  Lots of questions.  I can't wait to get DD's spin on this case now.  shoercake 


Shortcake, in case you don't know, I think one of the rules at Scared Monkeys is ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER.  I don't see how that is going to help you find Lindsey. IMO


Wow, just got back and caught up here... unbelievable!

Just wanted to say that I was not attacking DD, just that I can't make any sense from her post....they are like reading riddles.It may just be me and my brains way of reading things. Not in any way ,shape, or form trying to put down a poster.Sorry if I offended anyone!

Forgot my manners: Good Morning Monkeys and Guest.
I never took you or shortcake to be attacking DD. I think that we are just so confused with the info that we have, and am hoping this gets cleared up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 12:46:18 PM
I think I need to recap: He is all over the net regarding Lindsey, Nancy Moyer and other missing persons in the state of Washington. He makes threats laced with religion. I checked out the ONLY Ronald Baskett in the area as he put his name on one of his posts. He was arrested for child molestation. He apparently was given a 60 MONTH sentence. Some idiot judge knocked it down to 90 DAYS with the provision that he complete "Sex Offender rehab". I have never even heard of such a thing! Naturally, he does not complete his "rehab". He is arrested again. He proceeds to file lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. He sued the jail for not allowing him his medications. He sued his therapist for making him watch porn and not allowing him a "Christian therapist". He has MANY other court documents and lawsuits but I was only able to access the one. I found a site that allows you to look up current prisoners. He does not appear to be incarcerated. I am sickened that these people continue to roam free and get slaps on the wrist. Now Washington state has a "Sex Offender Rehab program"? Are you kidding me. Is this the same Ronald Baskett that that is writing all of these posts? Probably, but I cannot prove it. The very least I can do is write the State of Washington and ask them why they are allowing Sex offenders extremely light sentences for enrollment in "Sex offender rehab". I would also love to see their SUCCESS RATE with this idiotic program.

Sebastian I think you have enough to call the fbi and report this. Please do not call anyone, that is not a safe thing to do. This was a fantastic catch, great job!
It is maddening how child sex offenders are treated as if this was a crime with no consequences. Here in California the ninth circuit court is trying to make it unconstitutional to look at some one's computer for child porn, what???? The attitude is backwards I would think and anyone with 1/2 a brain can figure that one out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:49:42 PM
Hi TG,
I too live in California and believe me THAT WILL NEVER FLY! California will NEVER allow that rediculous bill to pass. We are liberal in some ways, but not keeping our children safe! I am sure it is some of the extremely liberal politicians in SF that has put that bill together.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 12:49:51 PM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)
----------------------------------------------------
(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.
-----
DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder
 ::MonkeyEek::

Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.

AZsunny  I stated "kinda sounds like young street working girls"  Didn't say fact.  When I read the whole paragraph, that "is" what came to mind.  Strange choice of words to describe an opening and all those people who keep the nursey staffed.  Maybe I should have kept it to myself, but I thought this was all about building on ideas.  shortcake 

Shortcake, how does this "kinda sounds like young street working girls"?  what words gave you that notion?  Building ideas on "kinda sounds like" -- ???  It "kinda sounds" legitimate to me.

Well the " nursey worker position" along with 13 people who keep the nursery staffed is what got my attention.  Maybe it is multiple nursery's.  Seemed a little overwhelming to me.  I hope you can understand why I jumped to that conclusion.  I need to go back and reasssess.  Thanks. 

A nursery needing a worker that already has 13 staff = "young street working girls" -- sorry, I'm still not following and no I don't understand that conclusion.  I'm trying to follow your logic here.  Maybe you could help me with this.
 :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 12:50:58 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 12:52:35 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 12:53:59 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.
That's it, but I'm not sure about this other woman who was saying things on her myspace yesterday, she wanted to make it clear she was not a sister in law. Now what exactly she is friends/neighbor/ acquaintance of the Golder family I'm not real sure  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
Me thinks me got carried away with all this SO chatter.  I will behave and go serve my time-out.  Please forgive my actions.  shortcake ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 12:54:54 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?
Thanks, you are right, so then obviously she is on friendly terms with the Golder family.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.
That's it, but I'm not sure about this other woman who was saying things on her myspace yesterday, she wanted to make it clear she was not a sister in law. Now what exactly she is friends/neighbor/ acquaintance of the Golder family I'm not real sure  ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought it was Tamra (or Tamara) White who lives across the street on Sand Creek Road. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?
I think so,  ::MonkeyConfused:: isn't she the one that said she would post on SM, but hadn't become a member yet? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 05, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
Even more weirdness with these folks..........

From WS:

This church has Has McCleary members...

Of interest..scroll down and look at nursery volunteers...
Think-
DG's girlfriends last name
Alice Walters/Grace MS mystery
Tena G

Probably meaningless but weird anyway...


http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf (http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf)
----------------------------------------------------
(this is from the above link... under nursery)

Nursery: We have a couple good candidates our nursery worker position.
Pray for wisdom in selecting the right people. Praise God for our faithful
volunteers: Maggie Hooper, Diane & Elisabeth Upton, Susan Hurst, Terry,
Kona and Grace Calica
, Pam Isom, Jamie Gallegos, May & Jeff Schneickert and
Mike and Marla Shelton who keep the nursery staffed. If you can help please
see Pam Welch.

-----

DG's gf's name is Steph Calica
Kona is Tena Golder

 ::MonkeyEek::


Nursery worker position - kinda sounds like young street working girls.  Like a network for getting girls into the profession.  If this is possible, than I have a rumor which I do not want to repeat.  I want to report facts.  shortcake

How are you reporting facts Shortcake, when you take a Nursery worker position for a church and say it sounds like a recruitment for street prostitutes??   I just don't follow this at all.

AZsunny  I stated "kinda sounds like young street working girls"  Didn't say fact.  When I read the whole paragraph, that "is" what came to mind.  Strange choice of words to describe an opening and all those people who keep the nursey staffed.  Maybe I should have kept it to myself, but I thought this was all about building on ideas.  shortcake 

Shortcake, how does this "kinda sounds like young street working girls"?  what words gave you that notion?  Building ideas on "kinda sounds like" -- ???  It "kinda sounds" legitimate to me.

Well the " nursey worker position" along with 13 people who keep the nursery staffed is what got my attention.  Maybe it is multiple nursery's.  Seemed a little overwhelming to me.  I hope you can understand why I jumped to that conclusion.  I need to go back and reasssess.  Thanks. 
They need a lot of volunteers so they can rotate people so some can attend the main services.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:02:47 PM
I have a paid site I use from time to time. I don't like it that much because it doesn't always give me information, such as when I run the name ronald baskett I get a person all over wa but I cannot get a backround run for him, don't know why.

I have multiple cities for this person. Is the person Sebatian found around this same age?

RONALD BASKETT    OLYMPIA  WA  98501       
RONALD BASKETT    FEDERAL WAY  WA  98023       
RONALD BASKETT    TACOMA  WA  98409       
RONALD BASKETT  53  MOSES LAKE  WA  98837       
RONALD BASKETT    SEATTLE  WA  98126       
RONALD BASKETT  53  AUBURN  WA  98001       

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 01:05:38 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?
Thanks, you are right, so then obviously she is on friendly terms with the Golder family.
Didn't she post something about her son and the army or was that the Golder lady? I am so confused. That's why I never post here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:13:25 PM
 RONALD L BASKETT  54  07/19/1955     Violence  OTHER VIOL CHILD SEX   
IDENTIFICATION
RONALD BASKETT
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 07/19/1955
AGE: 54  PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 185
HEIGHT: 70
EYE COLOR: Blue
HAIR COLOR: Brown
SKIN TONE:       

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
OFFENSE DETAILS 
CASE NUMBER: 854421 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
 WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:   
ARREST DATE:   CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE:   DISPOSITION DATE:   
COUNTS:   DISPOSITION:   
ORIGINAL PLEA:   STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON:   OFFENSE DATE:   
OFFENSE CODE:   OFFENSE CLASS:   
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: OTHER VIOL CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE:   CONVICTION DATE:   
SENTENCE DATE:   PROBATION DATE:   
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
 
_______________________________________________________________________________

 RONALD LEE BASKETT  54  07/19/1955     MISC  DWLS 3RD DEGREE   
IDENTIFICATION
RONALD BASKETT
RACE: 
SEX: M
DOB: 07/19/1955
AGE: 54  PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT:   
HEIGHT:   
EYE COLOR:   
HAIR COLOR:   
SKIN TONE:       

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
OFFENSE DETAILS 
CASE NUMBER: CHELAN COUNTY DISTRICT COURTC00338833 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
 WA Admin Office of Courts(District Courts) ARREST AGENCY:   
ARREST DATE:   CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE:   DISPOSITION DATE: 10/17/2002
COUNTS:   DISPOSITION: Guilty
ORIGINAL PLEA:   STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: 10/03/2002 OFFENSE DATE: 09/30/2002
OFFENSE CODE: 46.20.342.1C OFFENSE CLASS: Criminal traffic
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: DWLS 3RD DEGREE
CONVICTION DATE:   CONVICTION DATE:   
SENTENCE DATE:   PROBATION DATE:   
SOURCE NAME: WA Admin Office of Courts(District Courts)
 
Other charges in the criminal backround are
DWLS 3RD DEGREE filed on 10/18/2001 and 3/04/2002 and 2/10/2003
Left of center filed on 1/09/2004
child molestation 8/21/2001

I have no idea what DWLS an left of center is, but thought I would include that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 05, 2009, 01:17:42 PM
RONALD L BASKETT  54  07/19/1955     Violence  OTHER VIOL CHILD SEX   
IDENTIFICATION
RONALD BASKETT
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 07/19/1955
AGE: 54  PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 185
HEIGHT: 70
EYE COLOR: Blue
HAIR COLOR: Brown
SKIN TONE:       

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
OFFENSE DETAILS 
CASE NUMBER: 854421 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
 WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:   
ARREST DATE:   CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE:   DISPOSITION DATE:   
COUNTS:   DISPOSITION:   
ORIGINAL PLEA:   STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON:   OFFENSE DATE:   
OFFENSE CODE:   OFFENSE CLASS:   
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: OTHER VIOL CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE:   CONVICTION DATE:   
SENTENCE DATE:   PROBATION DATE:   
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
 
_______________________________________________________________________________

 RONALD LEE BASKETT  54  07/19/1955     MISC  DWLS 3RD DEGREE   
IDENTIFICATION
RONALD BASKETT
RACE: 
SEX: M
DOB: 07/19/1955
AGE: 54  PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT:   
HEIGHT:   
EYE COLOR:   
HAIR COLOR:   
SKIN TONE:       

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
OFFENSE DETAILS 
CASE NUMBER: CHELAN COUNTY DISTRICT COURTC00338833 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
 WA Admin Office of Courts(District Courts) ARREST AGENCY:   
ARREST DATE:   CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE:   DISPOSITION DATE: 10/17/2002
COUNTS:   DISPOSITION: Guilty
ORIGINAL PLEA:   STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: 10/03/2002 OFFENSE DATE: 09/30/2002
OFFENSE CODE: 46.20.342.1C OFFENSE CLASS: Criminal traffic
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: DWLS 3RD DEGREE
CONVICTION DATE:   CONVICTION DATE:   
SENTENCE DATE:   PROBATION DATE:   
SOURCE NAME: WA Admin Office of Courts(District Courts)
 
Other charges in the criminal backround are
DWLS 3RD DEGREE filed on 10/18/2001 and 3/04/2002 and 2/10/2003
Left of center filed on 1/09/2004
child molestation 8/21/2001

I have no idea what DWLS an left of center is, but thought I would include that


Thanks TG!  I believe DWLS = driving while license suspended and left of center is probably another traffic related incident.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 05, 2009, 01:20:19 PM


I have no idea what DWLS an left of center is, but thought I would include that


Tracygirl,   DWLS  = Driving While License Suspended
Left of Center = he was driving and/or weaving over the solid double yellow line (ie, in the same lane as oncoming traffic). Big no-no.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:27:32 PM
Thank you for the clarification on the charges. Seems like this man has some very bad charges against him, they are classified as violent child sex crimes.

I forgot another charge this is another traffic violation

NO VALID OPER LICENSE WITH VALID ID filed on 2/10/2003


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on October 05, 2009, 01:29:09 PM
O/T

Urgent Request for help for Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.msg971214#msg971214

Thank you for your time, Monkeys.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
I think I need to recap: He is all over the net regarding Lindsey, Nancy Moyer and other missing persons in the state of Washington. He makes threats laced with religion. I checked out the ONLY Ronald Baskett in the area as he put his name on one of his posts. He was arrested for child molestation. He apparently was given a 60 MONTH sentence. Some idiot judge knocked it down to 90 DAYS with the provision that he complete "Sex Offender rehab". I have never even heard of such a thing! Naturally, he does not complete his "rehab". He is arrested again. He proceeds to file lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. He sued the jail for not allowing him his medications. He sued his therapist for making him watch porn and not allowing him a "Christian therapist". He has MANY other court documents and lawsuits but I was only able to access the one. I found a site that allows you to look up current prisoners. He does not appear to be incarcerated. I am sickened that these people continue to roam free and get slaps on the wrist. Now Washington state has a "Sex Offender Rehab program"? Are you kidding me. Is this the same Ronald Baskett that that is writing all of these posts? Probably, but I cannot prove it. The very least I can do is write the State of Washington and ask them why they are allowing Sex offenders extremely light sentences for enrollment in "Sex offender rehab". I would also love to see their SUCCESS RATE with this idiotic program.

Sebastian I think you have enough to call the fbi and report this. Please do not call anyone, that is not a safe thing to do. This was a fantastic catch, great job!
It is maddening how child sex offenders are treated as if this was a crime with no consequences. Here in California the ninth circuit court is trying to make it unconstitutional to look at some one's computer for child porn, what???? The attitude is backwards I would think and anyone with 1/2 a brain can figure that one out.

I agree, please refer this to the FBI.  The guy has an SO recorded, and he is apparently fixated on missing young woman in Washington State where he lives.  I think they may want to have a little chat with him. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 01:47:52 PM
Hi everyone!! 

Just trying to process some of the info we found/received yesterday, trying to put it together with info we already had, in some sort of order.  lol 

--------------

When looking at Lindsey's 'Twilight Freak' myspace - http://www.myspace.com/d343434 - we see one of the few friends listed is an 'Alice Walters'.  Clicking on her name, it brings us to her myspace - http://www.myspace.com/480197876 - 'Alice', where the only friend listed is 'Twilight Freak', (Lindsey).  The 'Alice' myspace, no pic, has been set to private. 

Many monkeys were trying to figure out who this 'Alice Walters' is, and some have found her other myspace accts.  There is one with a pic - http://www.myspace.com/480197876 - and this one has the name 'Alice Walters' (trademark), with an acct name  'from_autumn_to_ashes67'.  That one has been set to private. 

Here's another 'Alice' myspace, no pic, but with the name of 'Grace', and Alice Walters written underneath - http://www.myspace.com/d343434 - no friends, except for 'Tom'.  lolol  (he's on everyone's myspace). 

So the mystery continues........

And then we started researching DG, and some monkeys were looking at one of his myspace accounts - http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe .  His girlfriend is Stephanie Calica, and her myspace is - http://www.myspace.com/SCalica .  Guess I may as well add in here that in the affadavit, Steph seems to present herself as a 'mere acquaintance' of DG, but when we research more into her, we find that there seems to be much more to their relationship.  Why would she seem to be downplaying it?   

In Steph's myspace, there is this comment from 'Travis Talley' 
Apr 20, 2009 4:30 PM
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace - http://www.myspace.com/talleyman420

It looks to me like Travis, DG, and Steph graduated High School together, in 2005 in Elma.  On Travis' myspace page, he has a lengthy profile, which describes what he and his peeps do together.  Including "ridin quads", and pics of that.  (So DG may have access to an ATV??) 

Anyway, at his mention of Dale in his comments, changing his last name, some of us were like.. huh??  And the last name Walters, really made some sit up and go WTH??  Walters.... would that have anything to do with 'Alice Walters'??  And altho further up in Steph's myspace comments, a Tamra (neighbor of the Golder's) vehemently denies that Dale changed his name, why would Travis say that, had it not happened?  And what does Travis mean by Dale's changing his last name "to fix after his dad"?? 

So the mystery continues........

We've got that DG's mom (Tena) uses/used the online nic of KONAMOCHA, also referred to as Kona.  Last night, in the midst of all the other craziness going on, someone at WS posted that they had found a church near/in Olympia that seems to have some McCleary members.  At the following link, it mentions names of those who were applying for a position in the church nursery -
http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf - And the church's website is - http://www.turningpointolympia.com/

Kona Calica is also a volunteer for the church's setup crew.  (a sidenote - I wonder if this church has a youth camp.  And if so, could it be the one in Olympia that DG worked for).   

The church itself sounds fine, nothing seems unusual for churches, IMO.  I do know that very often, churches do ask for volunteers from its members to fill different positions within the church.  That doesn't alarm me at all.  What makes me sit up and pay attention are the names of the members mentioned, and the possibility that these are associated with the people we know of. 

Some of the names are VERY curious, listed is:  Terry, Kona and Grace Calica.  ????  There's the Kona name (Tena Golder?), there's the Grace name (Alice/Grace Walters?), and there's DG's gf Steph's last name (Calica).  Kona Calica?  Grace Calica?  WTH???  Could all these names just be a major coincidence, with the names of those in Lindsey's case? 

I do realize that *if* this Kona Calica is Konamocha (TG), this could bring up more questions, more possibilities, in what may have happened to Lindsey, at someone's hand.  (including questions as to all those clothes in that 'abandoned house', the 20+ children who've supposedly been thru that place over the years, as well as the newspaper left there of an article about Lindsey's gone missing).  And etc. 

And the mystery deepens........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 01:48:37 PM
WOW.. sorry that post was sooooo long!   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:53:59 PM
Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 01:54:00 PM
Am wondering who is the "woman" that was supposedly with DG at the BBQ.  If she lives near the Beehive or along Lindsey's route home from KKs that night.  Cuz if so, maybe DG gave the woman a ride home from the BBQ, then saw Lindsey walking back home alone.  Any thoughts on this?




I was wondering if it was SC.  Maybe they met at the BBQ and she gave DG her number.  Then he contacted her later that night.

I thought that at first too!  But then realized that she posted on DGs myspace that night at 6:59p.  Also said in the search warrant was that she and DG spoke by phone at 9:26p, when she said he told her he had to go to work. 

(he lied to her, cuz he didn't go to work that night... plus he was supposedly 'passed out' on the couch from 9p on, yet was supposedly seen by someone around 10p over by the Beehive Center.   which version do we believe?). 

At any rate, going back to the phone records, and the myspace messages, doesn't seem like they were together that night.  But who knows for sure in this case!

 ::MonkeyConfused::
   

I feel like a dunce but I'm still confused.  I don't see a myspace post at 6:59.  I see this one:

Jun 26 2009 9:59 PM

Hi, You~ ;)

http://www.myspace.com/SCalica (http://www.myspace.com/SCalica)

Also, according to the search warrant:

When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18)

So she would have left that post after all their texting.  I don't think they were together that night.  I was just wondering if they met at the BBQ, she gave him his number and then they began texting and talking back and forth throughout the night.  But...who has a BBQ before noon?  Hmm....  So, if it wasn't her, then he was at the BBQ with some other chick and texting her at the same time?



Anybody viewed the myspace page of s calica who is probably Dale's gf?  Not something I would want my daughter to put at the top .  Simular to Dale's myspace name.  Any comments?  I just don't understand todays kids.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
That Alice Walters myspace is getting to me. Seems like Alice Walters from the US and 18 years of age is a popular name for myspace. The only one with a pic is the one with a cat who shows 4 young girls, all set to private.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 05, 2009, 02:00:37 PM
wyks...

thank you for that post! my head is literally spinning right now!

the name coincidence at the church is really strange. this makes no sense. ugh. it's wayy too coincidental for my liking but i still dont understand how its related to lindsey.

i'd be very interested in knowing whether or not dg had an atv or access to one.

my gut is still telling me that he's not involved.

i really think it's possible lindsey was injured in some sort of accident out in the woods and i think she went there willingly. do i have a lot of facts to back that up? not really but i wouldn't be suprised if people were out in the woods on atvs and something accidently happened to LB.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Hi everyone!! 

Just trying to process some of the info we found/received yesterday, trying to put it together with info we already had, in some sort of order.  lol 

--------------

When looking at Lindsey's 'Twilight Freak' myspace - http://www.myspace.com/d343434 - we see one of the few friends listed is an 'Alice Walters'.  Clicking on her name, it brings us to her myspace - http://www.myspace.com/480197876 - 'Alice', where the only friend listed is 'Twilight Freak', (Lindsey).  The 'Alice' myspace, no pic, has been set to private. 

Many monkeys were trying to figure out who this 'Alice Walters' is, and some have found her other myspace accts.  There is one with a pic - http://www.myspace.com/480197876 - and this one has the name 'Alice Walters' (trademark), with an acct name  'from_autumn_to_ashes67'.  That one has been set to private. 

Here's another 'Alice' myspace, no pic, but with the name of 'Grace', and Alice Walters written underneath - http://www.myspace.com/d343434 - no friends, except for 'Tom'.  lolol  (he's on everyone's myspace). 

So the mystery continues........

And then we started researching DG, and some monkeys were looking at one of his myspace accounts - http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe .  His girlfriend is Stephanie Calica, and her myspace is - http://www.myspace.com/SCalica .  Guess I may as well add in here that in the affadavit, Steph seems to present herself as a 'mere acquaintance' of DG, but when we research more into her, we find that there seems to be much more to their relationship.  Why would she seem to be downplaying it?   

In Steph's myspace, there is this comment from 'Travis Talley' 
Apr 20, 2009 4:30 PM
dale walters (well he changed his last name to fix after his dad) but yeah we were just cruzin in his new ride its pretty nice those are the white car pics on my page. well i got to get ready to go take my asvab so i will yak at you later. happy 420! peace - http://www.myspace.com/talleyman420

It looks to me like Travis, DG, and Steph graduated High School together, in 2005 in Elma.  On Travis' myspace page, he has a lengthy profile, which describes what he and his peeps do together.  Including "ridin quads", and pics of that.  (So DG may have access to an ATV??) 

Anyway, at his mention of Dale in his comments, changing his last name, some of us were like.. huh??  And the last name Walters, really made some sit up and go WTH??  Walters.... would that have anything to do with 'Alice Walters'??  And altho further up in Steph's myspace comments, a Tamra (neighbor of the Golder's) vehemently denies that Dale changed his name, why would Travis say that, had it not happened?  And what does Travis mean by Dale's changing his last name "to fix after his dad"?? 

So the mystery continues........

We've got that DG's mom (Tena) uses/used the online nic of KONAMOCHA, also referred to as Kona.  Last night, in the midst of all the other craziness going on, someone at WS posted that they had found a church near/in Olympia that seems to have some McCleary members.  At the following link, it mentions names of those who were applying for a position in the church nursery -
http://www.turningpointolympia.com/Download_Files/DaylightPrayingTime-Guide07.pdf - And the church's website is - http://www.turningpointolympia.com/

Kona Calica is also a volunteer for the church's setup crew.  (a sidenote - I wonder if this church has a youth camp.  And if so, could it be the one in Olympia that DG worked for).   

The church itself sounds fine, nothing seems unusual for churches, IMO.  I do know that very often, churches do ask for volunteers from its members to fill different positions within the church.  That doesn't alarm me at all.  What makes me sit up and pay attention are the names of the members mentioned, and the possibility that these are associated with the people we know of. 

Some of the names are VERY curious, listed is:  Terry, Kona and Grace Calica.  ????  There's the Kona name (Tena Golder?), there's the Grace name (Alice/Grace Walters?), and there's DG's gf Steph's last name (Calica).  Kona Calica?  Grace Calica?  WTH???  Could all these names just be a major coincidence, with the names of those in Lindsey's case? 

I do realize that *if* this Kona Calica is Konamocha (TG), this could bring up more questions, more possibilities, in what may have happened to Lindsey, at someone's hand.  (including questions as to all those clothes in that 'abandoned house', the 20+ children who've supposedly been thru that place over the years, as well as the newspaper left there of an article about Lindsey's gone missing).  And etc. 

And the mystery deepens........


Wyks

Great compilation!

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
Just because I noticed it. The myspace Shortcake posted for that girl, has a person who posted a comment with a pic of a little girl who is also posted on Dales myspace. Darling little girl.

http://www.myspace.com/scottynulf22



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 02:08:57 PM
wyks...

thank you for that post! my head is literally spinning right now!

the name coincidence at the church is really strange. this makes no sense. ugh. it's wayy too coincidental for my liking but i still dont understand how its related to lindsey.

i'd be very interested in knowing whether or not dg had an atv or access to one.

my gut is still telling me that he's not involved.

i really think it's possible lindsey was injured in some sort of accident out in the woods and i think she went there willingly. do i have a lot of facts to back that up? not really but i wouldn't be suprised if people were out in the woods on atvs and something accidently happened to LB.

sunshine

I somehow believe that an ATV "accident" would have implied a 911 call.

However ... an unintended death in the act of wrongdoing or ... an unintended death which resulted from an implusive action that could not be taken back ... may imply a coverup.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:11:05 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night ::MonkeyConfused::

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness
.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.


dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.



thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.

I agree, IM. 

And the puzzling thing for me, which I'd like for DD to address is...

On the one hand, she is warning us about not 'outing' the person/witness.  On the other hand, she did highly suggest that some do their own research and not rely so heavily on her to share hers, (something like that).  That folks would find things out themselves and finally understand.

So how are we to research, worrying about not 'outing' this person/witness, whoever it is, at the same time?  How do we even begin to know who not to 'out', who not to research.  IMO, that warning effectively shuts down any research of our own, for fear of 'outing' ... someone ... that we wouldn't intend to, not knowing ahead of time. 

Which is why I waited for so long, waited for her answers, her info, her research.  Which has not come. 

And that's why some of us got tired of waiting.  This is what we come here for, to read, to dig, to see if there's any puzzle piece we can find, that may be helpful in finding Lindsey. 

All IMO.  Throw bananas at will, am ready to catch em.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:16:29 PM
This person denise dubois left dale a message on the myspace at 9:31 on 6/26 this is her myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/425305404

The message says she left him a gift, one of those things one would click on, on myspace. (this myspace is the strangest thing, I must say)


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Hey Dale,
I left you a gift. Click and pick it up.
COME JOIN MY TEAM ON GREENSPOT.

She is from McCleary WA and is 45. anyone hear of this person before?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:18:01 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had several windows open, myspace accts, notes... etc... going back and forth, while typing a long post.  Am here.. with all those windows closed now!! 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 05, 2009, 02:22:12 PM
tamiko's mom- for most people any type of accident would result in a 911 call, but think about it. there were beer bottles found at the same place where lb was tracked by HO's dogs.  what if people were drinking out there, there was an accident, and now the whole thing is one big coverup. hence, all of the lying from key players in the case who may have known people could have been out in the woods. maybe they even know or suspect that lindsey was out there.

if someone who was intoxicated caused an accident in which lb was injured or maybe even killed, they might have just hid the body to try to hide the crime, rather than telling the truth and prob getting involunatry manslaughter charges.

again, this is just my opinion i could be wayy off


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 02:22:18 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night ::MonkeyConfused::

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness
.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.


dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.



thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.

I agree, IM. 

And the puzzling thing for me, which I'd like for DD to address is...

On the one hand, she is warning us about not 'outing' the person/witness.  On the other hand, she did highly suggest that some do their own research and not rely so heavily on her to share hers, (something like that).  That folks would find things out themselves and finally understand.

So how are we to research, worrying about not 'outing' this person/witness, whoever it is, at the same time?  How do we even begin to know who not to 'out', who not to research.  IMO, that warning effectively shuts down any research of our own, for fear of 'outing' ... someone ... that we wouldn't intend to, not knowing ahead of time. 

Which is why I waited for so long, waited for her answers, her info, her research.  Which has not come. 

And that's why some of us got tired of waiting.  This is what we come here for, to read, to dig, to see if there's any puzzle piece we can find, that may be helpful in finding Lindsey. 

All IMO.  Throw bananas at will, am ready to catch em.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



On top of that Wks, if DD just asked her to research why did she start posting in Aug/Sep 09? Wouldn't it have made more sense for her just to report her info to DD, than join the posting especially if she were worried about someone figuring out who she was ::MonkeyJnBox:: I hope that made sense ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 02:22:44 PM
I have a paid site I use from time to time. I don't like it that much because it doesn't always give me information, such as when I run the name ronald baskett I get a person all over wa but I cannot get a backround run for him, don't know why.

I have multiple cities for this person. Is the person Sebatian found around this same age?

RONALD BASKETT    OLYMPIA  WA  98501       
RONALD BASKETT    FEDERAL WAY  WA  98023       
RONALD BASKETT    TACOMA  WA  98409       
RONALD BASKETT  53  MOSES LAKE  WA  98837       
RONALD BASKETT    SEATTLE  WA  98126       
RONALD BASKETT  53  AUBURN  WA  98001   


Hi TG!
You are so awsome! Yes, this is the one that I ran across as well. What makes me  ::MonkeyMad:: is he is not listed as a registered SO and is out walking around in society right now.     

 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 02:27:46 PM
I see DD is in the rafters.  Now maybe we can get some direction.  Boy we need it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 02:28:59 PM
I'm sure hoping DD comes on today to explain some of this, and hopefully about Clifford  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 02:31:02 PM
I see DD is in the rafters.  Now maybe we can get some direction.  Boy we need it.

Now DD I see you are gone.  You were there, where did you go?  We need you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:31:41 PM
DENISE DUBOIS 53 00-00-1956 PO BOX MCCLEARY WA 98557 Full Report
DENISE R DUBOIS   907 W SIMPSON AVE MCCLEARY WA 98557 Full Report
DENISE R DUBOIS   904 W SIMPSON AVE MCCLEARY WA 98557 Full Report
DENISE R DUBOIS   166 AVE NE D310 MCCLEARY WA 98557 Full Report
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 02:33:03 PM
Snipped:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/19934096/detail.htmlGround Search Suspended For Missing McCleary Girl
Search Intensifies Into Her Online History
Posted: 6:21 pm PDT July 2, 2009
Updated: 3:05 pm PDT July 6, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The ground search for a missing Grays Harbor County girl has been suspended, but the search into her Internet history is intensifying.

Lindsey Baum, 10, disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house and there has been no sign of her since.

Police are now checking entries in her MySpace page and doing a forensic analysis of her computer looking for new clues.

They found an entry from Lindsey a month ago saying, "I've been getting a lot of nightmares lately and I have this bad feeling that something bads gonna happen.”

“That's why we're having the computer looked at now forensically to see if there's any other information that may have been deleted or in some other file we didn't access," said Rick Scott of Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

The initial analysis shows no evidence Lindsey communicated with anyone online that may have been involved in her disappearance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:37:39 PM
This person denise dubois left dale a message on the myspace at 9:31 on 6/26 this is her myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/425305404

The message says she left him a gift, one of those things one would click on, on myspace. (this myspace is the strangest thing, I must say)


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Hey Dale,
I left you a gift. Click and pick it up.
COME JOIN MY TEAM ON GREENSPOT.

She is from McCleary WA and is 45. anyone hear of this person before?

Please comment on this. Is my imagination getting the best of me?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 02:38:02 PM
WOW.. sorry that post was sooooo long!   ::MonkeyEek::



Good summary!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:39:17 PM
I think I need to recap: He is all over the net regarding Lindsey, Nancy Moyer and other missing persons in the state of Washington. He makes threats laced with religion. I checked out the ONLY Ronald Baskett in the area as he put his name on one of his posts. He was arrested for child molestation. He apparently was given a 60 MONTH sentence. Some idiot judge knocked it down to 90 DAYS with the provision that he complete "Sex Offender rehab". I have never even heard of such a thing! Naturally, he does not complete his "rehab". He is arrested again. He proceeds to file lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. He sued the jail for not allowing him his medications. He sued his therapist for making him watch porn and not allowing him a "Christian therapist". He has MANY other court documents and lawsuits but I was only able to access the one. I found a site that allows you to look up current prisoners. He does not appear to be incarcerated. I am sickened that these people continue to roam free and get slaps on the wrist. Now Washington state has a "Sex Offender Rehab program"? Are you kidding me. Is this the same Ronald Baskett that that is writing all of these posts? Probably, but I cannot prove it. The very least I can do is write the State of Washington and ask them why they are allowing Sex offenders extremely light sentences for enrollment in "Sex offender rehab". I would also love to see their SUCCESS RATE with this idiotic program.

Thanks for that recap, Sebastian!  And yes, as you mentioned in another post, he has the same phone number on many of his posts over the net, re Lindsey and the other missing child cases.  He also includes the same email address in nearly all of his posts.  In one, he refers to another of the names he uses online.  All of those posts, when looked at together, does show this to be the same person. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:41:18 PM

Well the " nursey worker position" along with 13 people who keep the nursery staffed is what got my attention.  Maybe it is multiple nursery's.  Seemed a little overwhelming to me.  I hope you can understand why I jumped to that conclusion.  I need to go back and reasssess.  Thanks. 

Am thinking that all the names listed were folks who were applying for one or two positions as nursery worker.  I could be wrong tho. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:43:13 PM
There are 2 different denise dubois, one's age if listed at 53 and is from McCleary her middle initial is R. There is another one who's age I do not know, it is not listed and she has the middle initial as L and is from another area of washington, CHEWELAH

I am going to assume they may have the ages mixed up? Denise Dubois on the myspace who posted to Dale on 6/26 at 9:31 states her age as 45 and lives in McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:45:13 PM
I think I need to recap: He is all over the net regarding Lindsey, Nancy Moyer and other missing persons in the state of Washington. He makes threats laced with religion. I checked out the ONLY Ronald Baskett in the area as he put his name on one of his posts. He was arrested for child molestation. He apparently was given a 60 MONTH sentence. Some idiot judge knocked it down to 90 DAYS with the provision that he complete "Sex Offender rehab". I have never even heard of such a thing! Naturally, he does not complete his "rehab". He is arrested again. He proceeds to file lawsuit after lawsuit, appeal after appeal. He sued the jail for not allowing him his medications. He sued his therapist for making him watch porn and not allowing him a "Christian therapist". He has MANY other court documents and lawsuits but I was only able to access the one. I found a site that allows you to look up current prisoners. He does not appear to be incarcerated. I am sickened that these people continue to roam free and get slaps on the wrist. Now Washington state has a "Sex Offender Rehab program"? Are you kidding me. Is this the same Ronald Baskett that that is writing all of these posts? Probably, but I cannot prove it. The very least I can do is write the State of Washington and ask them why they are allowing Sex offenders extremely light sentences for enrollment in "Sex offender rehab". I would also love to see their SUCCESS RATE with this idiotic program.

Sebastian I think you have enough to call the fbi and report this. Please do not call anyone, that is not a safe thing to do. This was a fantastic catch, great job!
It is maddening how child sex offenders are treated as if this was a crime with no consequences. Here in California the ninth circuit court is trying to make it unconstitutional to look at some one's computer for child porn, what???? The attitude is backwards I would think and anyone with 1/2 a brain can figure that one out.

Sebastian, I agree with TG.  Reporting this would be good, but let the FBI/LE do the contacting.  Wouldn't want for you to get caught up in the crossfire, so to speak.  Be safe! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 02:50:20 PM


Name:  KONAMOCHA
Posts:  50 (1.923 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered:  September 02, 2009, 02:20:45 AM
Last Active:  September 25, 2009, 03:55:31 AM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=7091

++++++

FIRST POST AT SCARED MONKEYS

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 09:19:46 PM »


Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg935349#msg935349


SECOND POST AT SCARED MONKEYS

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #397 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:22 PM »


I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936373#msg936373


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 02:50:47 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?
Thanks, you are right, so then obviously she is on friendly terms with the Golder family.
Didn't she post something about her son and the army or was that the Golder lady? I am so confused. That's why I never post here.

Yes she did, JSM.  Her son went into the army, and TG's son went in a bit later.  Go ahead and post when you are able, we're all confused with this whole mess, and trying to make some sense of it.  Posting info and asking questions, sharing what we do know, all helps to sort things out.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
There are 2 different denise dubois, one's age if listed at 53 and is from McCleary her middle initial is R. There is another one who's age I do not know, it is not listed and she has the middle initial as L and is from another area of washington, CHEWELAH

I am going to assume they may have the ages mixed up? Denise Dubois on the myspace who posted to Dale on 6/26 at 9:31 states her age as 45 and lives in McCleary.

Now, what woman in her right mind would lie about her age?? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 02:55:46 PM
Shortcake I am trying to figure out which one it is. Giving that one is in mccleary i would then assume Denise R is the one posting and either my person search site has the age flipped, then yes I guess she lied about her age on myspace.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 02:56:32 PM
Kona's September 7, 2009 email exchange with Harry Oakes coincided with her first post to the SM forum

Janet

++++++

KONAMOCHA
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »


Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

Part 1:

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry
 

 Part 3 :

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
Part 4:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg936546#msg936546


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:00:13 PM
Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?

 

dump site/abandoned house search.. are they the same?  lol 

IIRC, the article was left at the same place all the clothes etc were found, the place that TG supposedly said there had been 20+ kids in, over the years.  That place.  Wasn't it the abandoned house in that video?  I see it as a dump site too.  IMO. 

If the same place we are talking about here, some questions are, who was using it recently, and for what?  Who left the news article on Lindsey there? 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tams on October 05, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night ::MonkeyConfused::

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness
.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.


dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.



thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.

I agree, IM. 

And the puzzling thing for me, which I'd like for DD to address is...

On the one hand, she is warning us about not 'outing' the person/witness.  On the other hand, she did highly suggest that some do their own research and not rely so heavily on her to share hers, (something like that).  That folks would find things out themselves and finally understand.

So how are we to research, worrying about not 'outing' this person/witness, whoever it is, at the same time?  How do we even begin to know who not to 'out', who not to research.  IMO, that warning effectively shuts down any research of our own, for fear of 'outing' ... someone ... that we wouldn't intend to, not knowing ahead of time. 

Which is why I waited for so long, waited for her answers, her info, her research.  Which has not come. 

And that's why some of us got tired of waiting.  This is what we come here for, to read, to dig, to see if there's any puzzle piece we can find, that may be helpful in finding Lindsey. 

All IMO.  Throw bananas at will, am ready to catch em.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning (well, almost Afternoon) Monkeys!

Definitely not throwing any nanners at you, my dear Wyks - how about a big smile & "howdy" instead?   :smt006

I agree completely with you and IM - thank you for posting that. Greatly frustrating indeed - and I am just not willing to simply blindly say "oh, of course - if you say it is so" to just anyone online . . . and I feel certain that I am not alone here in this cage full of intelligent and determined monkeys. We demand proof and factual backup from EVERYONE (unless they are simply stating an opinion) - why should there be any exceptions? Is there some sort of LE or FBI connection here that I am not aware of that makes someone exempt from proof or their word more sacred than others? I just don't understand the 'blind' & unquestioning following . . . it just doesn't fit the profile of the typical 'inquiring minded' monkey here to follow like sheep . . . or, for that matter, to be expected to . . . Big giant sigh. I just don't get it.

K . . . I suppose it's MY turn to get pummeled with naner, 'maters, whatever you all have got . . . LOL.   :smt087

By the way, Wyks - thanks for the terrific synopsis a bit ago. Very helpful!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 03:03:08 PM
Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?

 

dump site/abandoned house search.. are they the same?  lol 

IIRC, the article was left at the same place all the clothes etc were found, the place that TG supposedly said there had been 20+ kids in, over the years.  That place.  Wasn't it the abandoned house in that video?  I see it as a dump site too.  IMO. 

If the same place we are talking about here, some questions are, who was using it recently, and for what?  Who left the news article on Lindsey there? 

 

It was some dump site just out of town I think.  I am not sure if it the same place, I was thinking it was 2 different places. The person searching was said to have been walking around a site people use to dump things, whether it is a legal site, I am not sure, I don't think it is but again, don't know. If this is the same site, wow I can see why they searched, if not, I hope they did because it is very suspicious.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 05, 2009, 03:03:55 PM
Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night.  IslandMonkey

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
"just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something".


Hi IslandMonkey,  If I were going to analyze what DD said here I would say your interpretation of it to be very possible.  If this person/witness learned something from Kona in an innocent way, and this info could be something someone would not want out there, yea, I might be scared too if I were that person/witness.  And the innocent way could mean someone in the family as you suggest.  I do however think if this person went to LE and told them what was learned, they would protect her/him with all their might!  I also think yes, blood may be thicker than water but if this has anything to do with Lindsey's being missing, it should be a no-brainer to this person/witness.

I always thought from DD's posts she was a friend of this Kona and then felt slightly betrayed as a poster when she said last week she was not a friend and only an internet relationship.  A part of that stemmed from DD's comments written on the return receipts from the SW which could or could not be accurate, seemingly slanted in favor of the family whose property was searched.  And then when we learned the Affidavit was a part of the SW and DD did not include that here I also felt a bit betrayed.  She could have at least told us it was there but felt it was better not to post it here on the forum.

I am not attacking DD but feels she owes us some answers after being such a mainstay in Lindsey's blog here at SM.


Oh, I had also asked if anyone knows if Dale has taken a LDT. If he was once named as a POI I would certainly think LE would have asked him to take the test to possibly clear himself from suspicion.  Right?  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?
Thanks, you are right, so then obviously she is on friendly terms with the Golder family.
Didn't she post something about her son and the army or was that the Golder lady? I am so confused. That's why I never post here.

Yes she did, JSM.  Her son went into the army, and TG's son went in a bit later.  Go ahead and post when you are able, we're all confused with this whole mess, and trying to make some sense of it.  Posting info and asking questions, sharing what we do know, all helps to sort things out.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thansk Wyks, I wasn't sure if it was the same lady or a different lady.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:12:55 PM
wyks...

thank you for that post! my head is literally spinning right now!

the name coincidence at the church is really strange. this makes no sense. ugh. it's wayy too coincidental for my liking but i still dont understand how its related to lindsey.

i'd be very interested in knowing whether or not dg had an atv or access to one.

my gut is still telling me that he's not involved.

i really think it's possible lindsey was injured in some sort of accident out in the woods and i think she went there willingly. do i have a lot of facts to back that up? not really but i wouldn't be suprised if people were out in the woods on atvs and something accidently happened to LB.

You're welcome, Sunshine! 

And yeah, unfortunately, the more info we find, the more questions that info brings up. 

I dunno if any of it relates to Lindsey.  Still watching, while we research these different things, if anything might lead back to Lindsey. 

Like the 'quad riding' that DGs gf's friend likes.  He graduated same year as DG, mentions DG and his car in his comment on Steph's myspace, mentions the quad riding in his profile and has pics of that.  It's not a far leap to wonder if DG was quad riding with him. 

Taking that, along with what we've read from Harry Oakes, who mentions that perhaps an ATV or motorcycle was used up that trail his dogs went to.... just have to wonder if DG had access to an ATV (a quad), a dirt bike, a motorcycle. 

If he did, then hmmmm...  IMO, that *could* connect with Lindsey in some way. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 05, 2009, 03:13:21 PM
This person denise dubois left dale a message on the myspace at 9:31 on 6/26 this is her myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/425305404

The message says she left him a gift, one of those things one would click on, on myspace. (this myspace is the strangest thing, I must say)


This comment was sent by your friend via the Green Spot app. To block this app and all communications from it, click Here.


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Hey Dale,
I left you a gift. Click and pick it up.
COME JOIN MY TEAM ON GREENSPOT.

She is from McCleary WA and is 45. anyone hear of this person before?

The message left from her to dale is actually myspace Spam....those *apps* are all over myspace.  I have apparently sent some of them to all of my "friends" at one time.  So i dont think she sent it to him on purpose - she probably doesn't even know he got it from her.  However he would have to be on her friends list to receive it I do believe.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:15:02 PM

Wyks

Great compilation!

Janet

Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 03:15:37 PM
Thank you leroy!! I swear myspace is the strangest thing known to man right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 05, 2009, 03:16:17 PM
Hi again, {can't edit with afterthought;}

Now rereading her quote I would also ask if DD clarified in later posts what this person was a witness to?  I'm wondering which witness this person could be, if it is one of the people mentioned in the Affidavit or one of the 2 who saw Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
O/T Leroy I want to give that poor dog a blanket, she/he looks so cold! Love the new avi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
Just because I noticed it. The myspace Shortcake posted for that girl, has a person who posted a comment with a pic of a little girl who is also posted on Dales myspace. Darling little girl.

http://www.myspace.com/scottynulf22



Good point, TG! 

And on DGs myspace, it lists him as being a parent.  Dunno if he is or not, it just says that.  And he has sev pics of one or more lil ones here - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

Could this be a child of DGs??  Perhaps living with the baby mama?  Dunno.......  DG sure seems proud of at least one of these children tho.  (cannot tell if it's the same child or not). 
 Might be that he is a godparent.  Dunno. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 03:26:56 PM
Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night.  IslandMonkey

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
"just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something".


Hi IslandMonkey,  If I were going to analyze what DD said here I would say your interpretation of it to be very possible.  If this person/witness learned something from Kona in an innocent way, and this info could be something someone would not want out there, yea, I might be scared too if I were that person/witness.  And the innocent way could mean someone in the family as you suggest.  I do however think if this person went to LE and told them what was learned, they would protect her/him with all their might!  I also think yes, blood may be thicker than water but if this has anything to do with Lindsey's being missing, it should be a no-brainer to this person/witness.

I always thought from DD's posts she was a friend of this Kona and then felt slightly betrayed as a poster when she said last week she was not a friend and only an internet relationship.  A part of that stemmed from DD's comments written on the return receipts from the SW which could or could not be accurate, seemingly slanted in favor of the family whose property was searched.  And then when we learned the Affidavit was a part of the SW and DD did not include that here I also felt a bit betrayed.  She could have at least told us it was there but felt it was better not to post it here on the forum.

I am not attacking DD but feels she owes us some answers after being such a mainstay in Lindsey's blog here at SM.


Oh, I had also asked if anyone knows if Dale has taken a LDT. If he was once named as a POI I would certainly think LE would have asked him to take the test to possibly clear himself from suspicion.  Right?  xox


Right! I just don't get the fact any of it, I just bumped in here the other day and posted for the first time in this threadm but it all looked like huge red flags to me IMO. I also think it was odd she started posting on forums, and pointing fingers at others well after she knew LE was calling her son. It would be easier to understand if she knew this family, and had a realtionship with them prior to the case, you know and all the dynamics of each member, but to only have a "net" relationship with them and yet feircly defending them. Also, if I were that worried about their safety I wouldn't have them posting all over the SM, WS and IS, and could be more I just never looked into.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tams on October 05, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
Thank you leroy!! I swear myspace is the strangest thing known to man right now.

Hi Tracygirl -

Re: Myspace as a haven for the bizarre - sheesh. I'll say. It feels like everyone wants to use it to express the edgier side of themselves - that which they perhaps do not expose in real time. . . almost as if for shock value. Makes me feel old - like I just don't get it . . . but, I don't suppose we are the target audience for myspace, are we? LOL. Kinda like those bumper stickers that say "If it's too loud you're too old".  :geek:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:30:49 PM
This person denise dubois left dale a message on the myspace at 9:31 on 6/26 this is her myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/425305404

The message says she left him a gift, one of those things one would click on, on myspace. (this myspace is the strangest thing, I must say)


This comment was sent by your friend via the Green Spot app. To block this app and all communications from it, click Here.


-------------------------------------------

Hey Dale,
I left you a gift. Click and pick it up.
COME JOIN MY TEAM ON GREENSPOT.

She is from McCleary WA and is 45. anyone hear of this person before?

Interesting!!  Haven't heard of her before, no.  45 years old tho, kinda interesting as that would be more the age of his parents.  Maybe an aunt or something? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?

 

dump site/abandoned house search.. are they the same?  lol 

IIRC, the article was left at the same place all the clothes etc were found, the place that TG supposedly said there had been 20+ kids in, over the years.  That place.  Wasn't it the abandoned house in that video?  I see it as a dump site too.  IMO. 

If the same place we are talking about here, some questions are, who was using it recently, and for what?  Who left the news article on Lindsey there? 

 
I remember there was a search, a few weeks back, and one of the things found was an article about Lindsey, and some other random things found, does anyone else remember this? I think it was in the woods somewhere, I remember reading it and thought how strange  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:36:49 PM
This person denise dubois left dale a message on the myspace at 9:31 on 6/26 this is her myspace page. http://www.myspace.com/425305404

The message says she left him a gift, one of those things one would click on, on myspace. (this myspace is the strangest thing, I must say)


This comment was sent by your friend via the Green Spot app. To block this app and all communications from it, click Here.


-------------------------------------------

Hey Dale,
I left you a gift. Click and pick it up.
COME JOIN MY TEAM ON GREENSPOT.

She is from McCleary WA and is 45. anyone hear of this person before?

Interesting!!  Haven't heard of her before, no.  45 years old tho, kinda interesting as that would be more the age of his parents.  Maybe an aunt or something? 


from peoplefinders:

DUBOIS, DENISE   R
Age: 45

Associated names:
DUBOISE, DENISE

Cities:
ABERDEEN, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA

Possibly Related:
    * DUBOIS, TAMERA  J (Age 22)





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?

 

dump site/abandoned house search.. are they the same?  lol 

IIRC, the article was left at the same place all the clothes etc were found, the place that TG supposedly said there had been 20+ kids in, over the years.  That place.  Wasn't it the abandoned house in that video?  I see it as a dump site too.  IMO. 

If the same place we are talking about here, some questions are, who was using it recently, and for what?  Who left the news article on Lindsey there? 

 

It was some dump site just out of town I think.  I am not sure if it the same place, I was thinking it was 2 different places. The person searching was said to have been walking around a site people use to dump things, whether it is a legal site, I am not sure, I don't think it is but again, don't know. If this is the same site, wow I can see why they searched, if not, I hope they did because it is very suspicious.
I am so glad someone else remembers this, I don't think it was the same place, I believe it was two seperate places, but now I'm not so sure  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 03:37:48 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night ::MonkeyConfused::

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness
.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.

dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.

thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.

I agree, IM. 

And the puzzling thing for me, which I'd like for DD to address is...

On the one hand, she is warning us about not 'outing' the person/witness.  On the other hand, she did highly suggest that some do their own research and not rely so heavily on her to share hers, (something like that).  That folks would find things out themselves and finally understand.

So how are we to research, worrying about not 'outing' this person/witness, whoever it is, at the same time?  How do we even begin to know who not to 'out', who not to research.  IMO, that warning effectively shuts down any research of our own, for fear of 'outing' ... someone ... that we wouldn't intend to, not knowing ahead of time. 

Which is why I waited for so long, waited for her answers, her info, her research.  Which has not come. 

And that's why some of us got tired of waiting.  This is what we come here for, to read, to dig, to see if there's any puzzle piece we can find, that may be helpful in finding Lindsey. 

All IMO.  Throw bananas at will, am ready to catch em.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning (well, almost Afternoon) Monkeys!

Definitely not throwing any nanners at you, my dear Wyks - how about a big smile & "howdy" instead?   :smt006

I agree completely with you and IM - thank you for posting that. Greatly frustrating indeed - and I am just not willing to simply blindly say "oh, of course - if you say it is so" to just anyone online . . . and I feel certain that I am not alone here in this cage full of intelligent and determined monkeys. We demand proof and factual backup from EVERYONE (unless they are simply stating an opinion) - why should there be any exceptions? Is there some sort of LE or FBI connection here that I am not aware of that makes someone exempt from proof or their word more sacred than others? I just don't understand the 'blind' & unquestioning following . . . it just doesn't fit the profile of the typical 'inquiring minded' monkey here to follow like sheep . . . or, for that matter, to be expected to . . . Big giant sigh. I just don't get it.

K . . . I suppose it's MY turn to get pummeled with naner, 'maters, whatever you all have got . . . LOL.   :smt087

By the way, Wyks - thanks for the terrific synopsis a bit ago. Very helpful!

Tams, speaking for myself, I am neither blind, unquestioning nor a sheep.
I have worked with dd on other cases and therefore I trust her, but it is not blindly, it is not without questioning, and other than count sheep on occasion, I don't go baaa when I talk.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 03:41:06 PM
Twelve members are out there and it is very quiet.  Please somebody say something or are you all still reading? ::MonkeyCheer2::
I'll ask a question since it didn't get answered last night. Who is TaraTara they were talking about early evening yesterday? TIA JSM
I'll try  ::MonkeyConfused:: Some people thought she was Tena's sister in law. I guess she is not, but lives very close to their property  ::MonkeyConfused::
Thank you No Rose. I wasn't sure.

Don't forget. She said she did allow DG to babysit her children didn't she?
I think so,  ::MonkeyConfused:: isn't she the one that said she would post on SM, but hadn't become a member yet? TIA JSM

Yep, that's the one.  Yikes!  IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 03:41:50 PM
Thank you leroy!! I swear myspace is the strangest thing known to man right now.
Thank-you, being that I don't know much about myspace and facebook, I appreciate any info on it  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 03:43:51 PM
Just because I noticed it. The myspace Shortcake posted for that girl, has a person who posted a comment with a pic of a little girl who is also posted on Dales myspace. Darling little girl.

http://www.myspace.com/scottynulf22



Good point, TG! 

And on DGs myspace, it lists him as being a parent.  Dunno if he is or not, it just says that.  And he has sev pics of one or more lil ones here - http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=32336074&albumId=243951

Could this be a child of DGs??  Perhaps living with the baby mama?  Dunno.......  DG sure seems proud of at least one of these children tho.  (cannot tell if it's the same child or not). 
 Might be that he is a godparent.  Dunno. 

I asked this before, but when you look at Dale's myspace I believe it says he is a parent, now I don't know if he actually has a kid, or he is suggesting the child that he has pictures of is his godchild.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 03:54:04 PM
Thank you leroy!! I swear myspace is the strangest thing known to man right now.
Thank-you, being that I don't know much about myspace and facebook, I appreciate any info on it  ::MonkeyConfused::

Facebook and MySpace are totally different.  I have a facebook account, as do most of my business associates, teammates, family and friends.  I am a Sr. Citizen...  It is just a way to express in a short sentence what is going on in your life, or your observations, and they make a comment back....not hinky at all.  At least the ones I am aware of that I communicate with on a regular basis.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 05, 2009, 04:06:47 PM
Ok, someone help me understand. I realize how protective DD is of Kona, but according to this post of hers, is she implying that Kona or someone in her family may be a witness? I thought she asked them to help her do some researching, so how could they be a witness to what happened to LB that night.  IslandMonkey

Quote from: Sister on September 25, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
"just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something".


Hi IslandMonkey,  If I were going to analyze what DD said here I would say your interpretation of it to be very possible.  If this person/witness learned something from Kona in an innocent way, and this info could be something someone would not want out there, yea, I might be scared too if I were that person/witness.  And the innocent way could mean someone in the family as you suggest.  I do however think if this person went to LE and told them what was learned, they would protect her/him with all their might!  I also think yes, blood may be thicker than water but if this has anything to do with Lindsey's being missing, it should be a no-brainer to this person/witness.

I always thought from DD's posts she was a friend of this Kona and then felt slightly betrayed as a poster when she said last week she was not a friend and only an internet relationship.  A part of that stemmed from DD's comments written on the return receipts from the SW which could or could not be accurate, seemingly slanted in favor of the family whose property was searched.  And then when we learned the Affidavit was a part of the SW and DD did not include that here I also felt a bit betrayed.  She could have at least told us it was there but felt it was better not to post it here on the forum.

I am not attacking DD but feels she owes us some answers after being such a mainstay in Lindsey's blog here at SM.


Oh, I had also asked if anyone knows if Dale has taken a LDT. If he was once named as a POI I would certainly think LE would have asked him to take the test to possibly clear himself from suspicion.  Right?  xox


I have never been a "friend" of kona's.  I met her on the net as did everyone else.  the newspaper had said I was a FRIEND... making it sound as though I was defending the family from the "accusations" of the search and crime because I KNEW her as a FRIEND.  I just wanted people to know she is not nor ever has been my FRIEND.  Just like I have never been a FRIEND of anyone else I meet on the net.  I have talked to some people on the net for 8 years.  I am not their FRIEND.  I don't think of Kona any differently NOW, this morning, as I did the first time I talked to her on the net.  It's not a FRIENDSHIP, it is discussion about the case of Lindsey Baum, and how kona and myself could brainstorm by combining my research with her knowledge of the area and people, to come up with something that might help to find Lindsey Baum.  That is the ONLY connection Kona and I have.  When the search happened I knew what happened, and I thought it horrible something like that happens when the people are not guilty of anything.  I also work on wrongful convictions, besides missing persons cases.  So I jumped in to try to explain what was happening and to stop the craziness.  Not because I KNOW HER, but because I KNEW what happened and why she was running all over appearing suspicious to people.  I don't like to see any wrongful convictions, no matter who the person is. 

I tried to explain, no one wanted to hear me, so I said fine, go ahead and research them all you want, but I am not wasting my time.  I kept right on working what I have been working on.  Although I had to waste over a week on this that I could have worked on what I was working on before all this happened.  I said time and time again, I just did not have time to research something I know was bs... I need to put my time into what I believe will help, not something I knew was ridiculous. 

kona never betrayed me at all.  She has been honest from the beginning with me, and agreed that we get together and she would help me because she is a long time local who can.  Saves me a ton of researching time if I can just ask, who is this person and how are they connected to that, or where is this place, or where might I look for a place that fits this idea.  If she can answer me in one second, why should I spend weeks trying to figure it out... I always get locals to help me.  Kona is not the only local I am working with; I have several locals helping me.  I don't care who they are or anything about them, if they want to help me, that is what matters.  I am not interested in who has done what in their life, that has nothing whatsoever to do with someone helping me.  I work with criminals, druggies, the drunks, the occult, the churches, anyone; I have one priority when I work on a case, to find the person.  To do that I talk to locals.  A lot of the people I talk to will not talk to police.  This is how I find out things.  I also work with professionals; they are not my "FRIENDS" either. 

I never saw the affadavit probable cause of the warrant until the rest of you did.  I posted everything I had.  I got the answers to where these things were found and who they belonged to and shared them with everyone so others would have this information.  It was a lot of HARD WORK to do that.  I saw the affavit when the rest of you did, but I knew it was all BS so I said so.  Again, I don't like lies, I don't care if they are from the public or the police, it is crazy.

 
gee my whole post went poof and I don't have time to go through it all again.

so let me just say.  I have a lot of work to do.  I have to concentrate on what has to do with the case, and I don't have time to worry about the things which I believe have nothing to do with the disappearance of Lindsey.  I do not dig up stuff on people for the sake of being nosey or to find something to trash them with.  If I am looking at someone and realize they have nothing to do with the case, I quit looking and move on.  People have to learn to separate what you dig up from what has something to do with the case.  I don't care what is all in Kona's family's background.  If it has nothing to do with the disappearance of Lindsey, why should I keep digging into it.  I don't have time. 

Kona was honest with me from the beginning.  None of her life has anything to do with what I am trying to figure out.  So I am not going to be bothered with that.  If I have to talk to a serial killer I will do that too, and have done that in the past as well.  If I thought writing to Garrido in jail to help me figure out where some other missing person is, I will be doing that also.  But do I care about what else he has done 30 years ago, NO.  Unless it is related to what I need to know. 

Same with anyone else in this case I talk to, if they committed a murder 20 years ago, what does that have to do with finding linsey.  If someone is strung out on herion, do I care?  no, it has nothing to do with finding lindsey. 

Do I care if people in Kara's family are not on the up and up and might have a bad background, no.  Do I know something about that also.  Yes, I do.  Do I care? No, it has nothing to do with Lindsey.  If I thought it did, I would post it; I don't believe it does.  And you all know I am mad at her for lying but still why post about her family, if it has nothing to do with the case.  I feel the same way about kona, why post things that have nothing to do with the case.  It distracts from the case and becomes a trashfest. 

So with all of that said, I am still working with Kona on things.  She is a great help when it comes to knowing the area and how things connect.  My priority is to find lindsey and to do it as quickly as possible.  Kona does want lindsey found, and she does want to help and I will continue to work with her.  Why shouldn't I?  She has helped me more than anyone else has.  And look where it got her....yet she is still willing to still help.  That takes a lot of dang guts.  So I am over here sorting info and putting it together, that is my priority.  I can't be answering all these posts or i will be here day and night and never get anything done.  So sorry if I don't go through all these threads and try to answer.  I hope this posts answers whatever it is you have a problem with me about. and if it does not I am sorry.  I can't do this, I have to work on things.

The subject of Kona and her family is not a priority of mine, so if you wish to continue to research them, I have no problem with it other than you need to learn to separate people's dirty laundry from the case; its hard to do, but if you do not, you will get hung up on something that doesn't matter and waste time on finding the truth about the case. 

If I were to sit on the forums and rag about everyone's past, I would never get anything done.  And just so you all know, in case you don't already.  you could spend a lifetime ragging on ME, but it won't help you find lindsey. 

so please, get prioritized, and don't try to include me in this.  thanks. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tams on October 05, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
Hi Sister -

Was most certainly not calling you a sheep - NOT my intention at all. Absolutely not. Forgive me if I made you feel that way. Not my intention at all to be rude, argumentive or mean-spirited. Truly.

Simply trying to convey confusion & frustration in trying to sort out fact from fiction. Don't think I am the only monkey in that boat. Just want to help.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 05, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
Thanks DD for your answer to my post.

Dale is not currently listed as a POI acc to LE but there is still evidence being examined.  It is possible he could again be listed as a POI depending on what comes back.  In that light I believe sleuthing him is worthwhile and the more we learn the better.  I don't look at that as dirty laundry.  Something could lead to information that could end up being meaningful. 

Of course I was hoping you could answer some questions you might know the answer to but I appreciate your stance and wish you well in your research.  I do agree with you that finding Lindsey is the most important thing now.  As well as bringing her home to her family it might also point the direction to her abductor and this is the priority for all posters studying her case.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:38:20 PM

On top of that Wks, if DD just asked her to research why did she start posting in Aug/Sep 09? Wouldn't it have made more sense for her just to report her info to DD, than join the posting especially if she were worried about someone figuring out who she was ::MonkeyJnBox:: I hope that made sense ::MonkeyConfused::

I would think so too, IM!  And yeah, I get what you're saying.  We've seen/heard of other cases how some can insert themselves into an investigation, to help in some way.  Some have done it in quiet ways, as in helping with searches alone.. some go online and become more vocal in different ways.. and some leap right into the fray to help with as much as possible.  The greater majority of those who help in a case are just regular folks who want to help. 

But sometimes a person 'helping' in a case, actually turn out to have nefarious intention/s, and it's found that there is a deeper involvement in the 'wrong side' of that case.  I do have to stop and wonder why they inserted themself at any point in the investigation. 

For whatever Kona's (TG) intentions were, (whether for the good, or not so good), some were not understood by others, and red flags went up.  We still don't know for sure whether any/all of that was simply more misunderstandings, more confusion in this case, or what.  Whether it was used by others to deflect LE away from something else they were looking at, or Kona trying to deflect LE away from her own family situ, and it backfired.  Just dunno yet.  But her actions/words etc caused a pause for LE, to look in her direction.  And we find out recently, that they already *had been* looking in that directions for months, even tho the public wasn't aware.  It's such a mess!  I dunno if we'll ever find out what her true intentions were.

I just hope beyond hope that *if* Kona and/or family actually are a part of the 'wrong side' of this investigation, that she did not come into this case with the intent of gaining the trust of such as DD.  To pretend 'to help' DD, but actually to mislead her in opposite directions?  And cause confusion?  Did she actually believe/hope that by doing so, her own family situ would not be discovered, researched?  And in the process, keep DD concentrating so fully on other things, perhaps DD hadn't the chance to see things as they may actually be?  Could that have happened???  And if so.. then IMO.. DD would be another victim of nefarious scheming going on in that town.   ::MonkeyMad:: 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 04:39:05 PM
Hi Sister -

Was most certainly not calling you a sheep - NOT my intention at all. Absolutely not. Forgive me if I made you feel that way. Not my intention at all to be rude, argumentive or mean-spirited. Truly.

Simply trying to convey confusion & frustration in trying to sort out fact from fiction. Don't think I am the only monkey in that boat. Just want to help.


Most definitely not the only one in the boat..........the post are so confusing as to what to believe or not that I never even posted until this weekend ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 04:43:31 PM

<snipped>

... I feel the same way about kona, why post things that have nothing to do with the case.  It distracts from the case and becomes a trashfest. 

... The subject of Kona and her family is not a priority of mine, so if you wish to continue to research them, I have no problem with it other than you need to learn to separate people's dirty laundry from the case; its hard to do, but if you do not, you will get hung up on something that doesn't matter and waste time on finding the truth about the case.

<snipped>

... I said time and time again, I just did not have time to research something I know was bs... I need to put my time into what I believe will help, not something I knew was ridiculous

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.440
 



 ::MonkeyShocked::

The following words in the warrant regarding KONA's son is not deemed worthy of investigation in regards to the Lindsey Baum case!!

DD ... you have created a thread for researching of SO's in the McCleary area.  You have created a thread to investigate Wayne Watne whose life only touched the Baums.  In the process of elimination ... I upheld your research.

However ... Dale Golder is somehow given a pass.  You claim you know he is not involved and it is "BS" to researching the guy's background.  How do you know?

DD ... it does not make sense.

Janet

++++++


Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 04:05:26 PM

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
DD ... the revelation that both Dale and his father have checked passes in regards to the violation of children ... is every reason ... in the process of elimination ... that LE focus suspicion in their direction when it comes to the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
SELF EDIT

checked passes SB checkered pasts



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
I see DD is in the rafters.  Now maybe we can get some direction.  Boy we need it.

Now DD I see you are gone.  You were there, where did you go?  We need you.

This happened last night too.   :sad: 

DD, please come in and talk with us.  Help us to understand what's going on, perhaps not just with this case, but with you as well. 

If it's the pressure of the case, and too much to do with no time to do it in, I can understand that. 

If it's that you are feeling pressured and/or attacked by some (myself included), I apologize for any part of that I have had. 

I've been confused by all this madness, and have looked to you to explain it, as you kept telling us you would.  When that didn't happen, for whatever reason, it only caused me more confusion. 

And now??  Am wondering whether or not you've discovered more about this case, in that perhaps you were led astray on from the start?  Is that it DD?? 

Whatever it may be, please come in and talk with us.  You are still one of us, and we are only trying to understand.  I promise to listen and not be harsh or critical.  Pinky swear. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 04:55:30 PM
Hey DD ... Jim Millins did not get a pass.  A thread was created by you to research this guy's background.  Why?  The LE searched his pond six times.

Hey ... I agree with you that suspicion ... in the process of elimination ... should have been directed his way.

Janet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
WOW.. sorry that post was sooooo long!   ::MonkeyEek::



Good summary!!

Thanks, AZSunny!   ::MonkeyWink::





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
There are 2 different denise dubois, one's age if listed at 53 and is from McCleary her middle initial is R. There is another one who's age I do not know, it is not listed and she has the middle initial as L and is from another area of washington, CHEWELAH

I am going to assume they may have the ages mixed up? Denise Dubois on the myspace who posted to Dale on 6/26 at 9:31 states her age as 45 and lives in McCleary.

Now, what woman in her right mind would lie about her age?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, lordamercy, I've no idea!!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 05:00:07 PM
My question is simple, do we give Clifford Golder a pass, I can't give him a pass, I just can't  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 05:04:08 PM
Kona's September 7, 2009 email exchange with Harry Oakes coincided with her first post to the SM forum

Janet

<snipped>

Hmmmmmm... Interesting!!  Thanks Janet!  This bears some definite thinking on. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 05:06:59 PM
Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 05, 2009, 05:15:26 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tams on October 05, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
I see DD is in the rafters.  Now maybe we can get some direction.  Boy we need it.

Now DD I see you are gone.  You were there, where did you go?  We need you.

This happened last night too.   :sad: 

DD, please come in and talk with us.  Help us to understand what's going on, perhaps not just with this case, but with you as well. 

If it's the pressure of the case, and too much to do with no time to do it in, I can understand that. 

If it's that you are feeling pressured and/or attacked by some (myself included), I apologize for any part of that I have had. 

I've been confused by all this madness, and have looked to you to explain it, as you kept telling us you would.  When that didn't happen, for whatever reason, it only caused me more confusion. 

And now??  Am wondering whether or not you've discovered more about this case, in that perhaps you were led astray on from the start?  Is that it DD?? 

Whatever it may be, please come in and talk with us.  You are still one of us, and we are only trying to understand.  I promise to listen and not be harsh or critical.  Pinky swear. 


Just more proof of why you are one of everyone's favorite monkeys, Wyks . . . what a kind and heartfelt post. Bless your heart. You worded that so diplomatically and beautifully - thank you for that. Said it ever so much better than I.

Sending you a grateful hug -  :smt058


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 05:18:30 PM
I am confused how DD is saying that getting Kona to be her eyes and ears on the ground has caused the search warrant and LE pointed towards Kona.  I read the SW , it was about Dale and LE was suspicious of him in July.  I can not see how it was against Kona nor how Kona helping DD in Aug/Sept had to do with suspicions back in July as the SW states.     ::MonkeyConfused::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 05, 2009, 05:20:03 PM
Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 05, 2009, 05:22:20 PM
Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum   /edit FORM where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 05:28:36 PM

<snipped>

... I feel the same way about kona, why post things that have nothing to do with the case.  It distracts from the case and becomes a trashfest. 

... The subject of Kona and her family is not a priority of mine, so if you wish to continue to research them, I have no problem with it other than you need to learn to separate people's dirty laundry from the case; its hard to do, but if you do not, you will get hung up on something that doesn't matter and waste time on finding the truth about the case.

<snipped>

... I said time and time again, I just did not have time to research something I know was bs... I need to put my time into what I believe will help, not something I knew was ridiculous

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.440


 ::MonkeyShocked::

The following words in the warrant regarding KONA's son is not deemed worthy of investigation in regards to the Lindsey Baum case!!

DD ... you have created a thread for researching of SO's in the McCleary area.  You have created a thread to investigate Wayne Watne whose life only touched the Baums.  In the process of elimination ... I upheld your research.

However ... Dale Golder is somehow given a pass.  You claim you know he is not involved and it is "BS" to researching the guy's background.  How do you know?

DD ... it does not make sense.

Janet

++++++

Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 04:05:26 PM

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Janet, looking forward to the thread you start about Dale, the Golders, etc.  DD is not the only one who knows how to start thread and put info there.
Again, Looking forward to reading it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 05:30:34 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Hi Sister -

Was most certainly not calling you a sheep - NOT my intention at all. Absolutely not. Forgive me if I made you feel that way. Not my intention at all to be rude, argumentive or mean-spirited. Truly.

Simply trying to convey confusion & frustration in trying to sort out fact from fiction. Don't think I am the only monkey in that boat. Just want to help.


Thank you Tams for your reply.  Sometimes it is difficult to interpret written words correctly, my mistake, truly :>)
Oh yes, it is terribly confusing and frustrating to try and sort fact from fiction.  I too am in the same boat.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

no rose colored glasses

I will lie and say that I have read those comments if ... it means that you will bring them over for the consideration of Monkeys.

  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 05:36:21 PM

Just more proof of why you are one of everyone's favorite monkeys, Wyks . . . what a kind and heartfelt post. Bless your heart. You worded that so diplomatically and beautifully - thank you for that. Said it ever so much better than I.

Sending you a grateful hug -  :smt058

Awwww shucks, Tams.  Thank you!   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 05:36:30 PM
Wow yesterday was a bit crazy wan't it! Thank you for posting all of that. I have a question, wasn't the newpaper article left at that dump site while a search was being conducted? Was it at the house too?
 

dump site/abandoned house search.. are they the same?  lol 

IIRC, the article was left at the same place all the clothes etc were found, the place that TG supposedly said there had been 20+ kids in, over the years.  That place.  Wasn't it the abandoned house in that video?  I see it as a dump site too.  IMO. 

If the same place we are talking about here, some questions are, who was using it recently, and for what?  Who left the news article on Lindsey there? 
 

It was some dump site just out of town I think.  I am not sure if it the same place, I was thinking it was 2 different places. The person searching was said to have been walking around a site people use to dump things, whether it is a legal site, I am not sure, I don't think it is but again, don't know. If this is the same site, wow I can see why they searched, if not, I hope they did because it is very suspicious.
I am so glad someone else remembers this, I don't think it was the same place, I believe it was two seperate places, but now I'm not so sure  ::MonkeyEek::
NoRose, I am sure the dump site was different.  If I remember, one of the searchers posted something on line about it, and within a few hours, it was taken down.  I believe, though I could easily be mistaken, it was in the direction of the water tower, but again, can't remember the location, but assuredly remember about the newspaper, etc.
Another thing that I don't understand at all, the search warrant indicated a crime scene and thus they (LE) was looking for specific tire treads etc.  I don't recall anything about a possible crime scene nor do I have a clue as to the telephone pole that Don alluded to in his radio program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 05:40:19 PM

<snipped>

... I feel the same way about kona, why post things that have nothing to do with the case.  It distracts from the case and becomes a trashfest. 

... The subject of Kona and her family is not a priority of mine, so if you wish to continue to research them, I have no problem with it other than you need to learn to separate people's dirty laundry from the case; its hard to do, but if you do not, you will get hung up on something that doesn't matter and waste time on finding the truth about the case.

<snipped>

... I said time and time again, I just did not have time to research something I know was bs... I need to put my time into what I believe will help, not something I knew was ridiculous

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.440


 ::MonkeyShocked::

The following words in the warrant regarding KONA's son is not deemed worthy of investigation in regards to the Lindsey Baum case!!

DD ... you have created a thread for researching of SO's in the McCleary area.  You have created a thread to investigate Wayne Watne whose life only touched the Baums.  In the process of elimination ... I upheld your research.

However ... Dale Golder is somehow given a pass.  You claim you know he is not involved and it is "BS" to researching the guy's background.  How do you know?

DD ... it does not make sense.

Janet

++++++

Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on October 03, 2009, 04:05:26 PM

MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.


Janet, looking forward to the thread you start about Dale, the Golders, etc.  DD is not the only one who knows how to start thread and put info there.
Again, Looking forward to reading it.

Thanks sister.

I have attempted to compile all the highlights from the dialogue encompassing the Foreman Road Searc search.

Janet

+++++

FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6221.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Recovering-Lurker on October 05, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 05:48:36 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533

The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 05:56:42 PM
DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 06:05:45 PM
DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 



I wish I could say things as plainly as you. I end up sputtering when I try to make a point sometimes. But I am glad you have said this. It needed to be said. Thank you.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 05, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
How is any of this helping find Lindsey???

DD is satified with the research she has done on the Golders'.  So she is off researching other people/ideas.

That does not mean we cant research the Golders'.  If DD has decided not to share what she knows, well then come on monkeys, lets go find out for ourselves. 

To me, the more people we having looking in more directions - that will bring Lindsey home faster.  Which at the end of the day is what we all want   ::MonkeyAngel::   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on October 05, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 



now you are the laughing stock of the forum world because of ME?  are you kidding me.  I'm not posting here again.  Figure it out your own self.  You are rude and demanding and whatever else you are, and NOW I have had just about enough. 

I have put up with all of this long enough, get in touch with the locals yourself, reserch yourself, talk to LE yourself, work with other professionals yourself, do all this WORK yourself, and take responsibility for yourself if you believe you are the laughing stock of the forum world.  That is the most ludicrous thing I have heard yet.

Don't blame me.  I've been right so far... think about that.  I never said it though because I don't like to do that, but you know, there comes a time when I have had about enough of the trashing and accusations and all the BS.  I don't have time for this, and even if I did have time, it is not something I am interested in.  Now I really don't know what the problem is.  But I don't owe you a dang thing, and if you are the laughing stock of anyone (which I don't believe you are) then it is NOT because of me. 

Seem you people have no clue at all about me.  In the words of HO, "I'm DONE"!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 06:11:03 PM

I wish I could say things as plainly as you. I end up sputtering when I try to make a point sometimes. But I am glad you have said this. It needed to be said. Thank you.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Fanny!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Am gonna go take puppers for a long walk.  Need fresh air and a break from all this madness.  Which isn't even incl the case itself. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 05, 2009, 06:12:40 PM
How is any of this helping find Lindsey???

DD is satified with the research she has done on the Golders'.  So she is off researching other people/ideas.

That does not mean we cant research the Golders'.  If DD has decided not to share what she knows, well then come on monkeys, lets go find out for ourselves. 

To me, the more people we having looking in more directions - that will bring Lindsey home faster.  Which at the end of the day is what we all want   ::MonkeyAngel::  


Well said Leroy ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533
Thank-you for bringing that over.  Sister, I'm so mixed up with the statement of the crime scene, what crime scene? Do the police know something and that just slipped?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
DD you don't owe any of us a thing. Please can you just explain at least what your thoughts are about Lindsey, who you think may have abducted her, I know you said you were looking at Melissa Baum, do you think something happened inside the home, could something have happened between Lindsey and her brother, and Melissa took it upon herself to get rid of Lindsey's body? Please, can you explain why you believe Tena is telling you the truth? I hate to see you leave after all the hard work you have done, I hope you reconsider.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 06:22:02 PM
Yes we have become the 'laughing stock' of the forum world.  Because of standing for and believing in what you've been telling us.  To wait.......... you have all the proof needed.. etc etc etc etc etc and etc!  I have the proof of THAT, and trust me, it won't take but minutes to drag all that in here if need be. 

I defended you to the max.  I believed in you.  I tried to be understanding and compassionate.
I tried waiting longer than I felt I should have.  And then I asked for an explanation. 

And this is what I get in return??   

You've basically been called out, DD.  In the words of young'uns these days, to put up or shut up.  And I see which you've chosen, you are gonna take the easy way out then, and run off all offended.  pffffft. 

Now I am of the belief as sooooooooooooooooo many others out on the net have said, and clicked their tongues over, that you never had any "proof" at all.  And how sad is that.......

I'm out of here for now, will return when I calm back down, and can post with grace and manners. 

My apologies to the mods and other monkeys for the disruption.  And my apologies for being out of line, if that's what it's deemed to be.  Am ready to take whatever I deserve for speaking my mind. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 06:24:32 PM
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The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet


Janet, as a child who was victimized, I can assure you I was not forgotten and I can equally assure you that I am not a victim, I am a survivor of an horrible experience over which I had no control.  My childhood was not robbed as I have many, many, many wonderful experiences during my childhood, and I have not spent a lifetime attempting to leave the past behind as my past is a part of who I am today and as such, though I am not glad it happened, it did, I cannot change it, but it does not control who I am or what I do, it is merely a part of "me" and I happen to really like me a lot.  Moving ahead one day at a time is not a struggle, it is an honor and a privlege and I consider myself one of the most blessed people to ever walk the face of the earth.
Now, a few years ago I was molested by a man that knew what I do for a living and that was his motivation.  Again, it does not define me and again I am not a victim, I am a survivor.  My adulthood has not been robbed, and I do not spend my days attempting to leave behind my past.
The only ones who are forgotten are those who have no one to remember them.  I remember them and I work as diligently as possible to help them remain remembered.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 06:25:56 PM
Yes we have become the 'laughing stock' of the forum world.  Because of standing for and believing in what you've been telling us.  To wait.......... you have all the proof needed.. etc etc etc etc etc and etc!  I have the proof of THAT, and trust me, it won't take but minutes to drag all that in here if need be. 

I defended you to the max.  I believed in you.  I tried to be understanding and compassionate.
I tried waiting longer than I felt I should have.  And then I asked for an explanation. 

And this is what I get in return??   

You've basically been called out, DD.  In the words of young'uns these days, to put up or shut up.  And I see which you've chosen, you are gonna take the easy way out then, and run off all offended.  pffffft. 

Now I am of the belief as sooooooooooooooooo many others out on the net have said, and clicked their tongues over, that you never had any "proof" at all.  And how sad is that.......

I'm out of here for now, will return when I calm back down, and can post with grace and manners. 

My apologies to the mods and other monkeys for the disruption.  And my apologies for being out of line, if that's what it's deemed to be.  Am ready to take whatever I deserve for speaking my mind. 

Wyks, we have posted together for a long time, you never speak out of line, you are very intelligent, and say things to where we can all understand. I think right now we are all very frustrated and need to step back for a minute.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 06:27:22 PM
snipped:
The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet


Janet, as a child who was victimized, I can assure you I was not forgotten and I can equally assure you that I am not a victim, I am a survivor of an horrible experience over which I had no control.  My childhood was not robbed as I have many, many, many wonderful experiences during my childhood, and I have not spent a lifetime attempting to leave the past behind as my past is a part of who I am today and as such, though I am not glad it happened, it did, I cannot change it, but it does not control who I am or what I do, it is merely a part of "me" and I happen to really like me a lot.  Moving ahead one day at a time is not a struggle, it is an honor and a privlege and I consider myself one of the most blessed people to ever walk the face of the earth.
Now, a few years ago I was molested by a man that knew what I do for a living and that was his motivation.  Again, it does not define me and again I am not a victim, I am a survivor.  My adulthood has not been robbed, and I do not spend my days attempting to leave behind my past.
The only ones who are forgotten are those who have no one to remember them.  I remember them and I work as diligently as possible to help them remain remembered.
I'm very sorry for what you have gone through, and were able to move on with your life  ::MonkeyAngel::  But unfortunately many people can't.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 05, 2009, 06:27:50 PM
Hi,  I did call District Court for GHC in Montesano this afternoon to inquire as to how many SW's have been issued in Lindsey's case.

She couldn't give me the # of warrants or what they pertained to but she did say there were several of record {and mentioned in passing like one for cell phones}.  She also said anyone can send a written request to the court and will be given an appt time to come in and review all the SW's. 

Thanks to Recovering Lurker for your post and to Leroy and Wyks.  oxo



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 06:28:34 PM
How is any of this helping find Lindsey???

DD is satified with the research she has done on the Golders'.  So she is off researching other people/ideas.

That does not mean we cant research the Golders'.  If DD has decided not to share what she knows, well then come on monkeys, lets go find out for ourselves. 

To me, the more people we having looking in more directions - that will bring Lindsey home faster.  Which at the end of the day is what we all want   ::MonkeyAngel::   

Leroy ... you are right.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

We have all had an opportunity to share what we feel regarding the situation and ... that is a good thing.  However ... there comes a point where dwelling on the perception that we have been wronged is very destructive in many aspects.

Leroy ... I also believe it is time for moving on.  A little girl is still missing and ... until the truth is revealed  ... speculation that is devried from a foundation of info that is out there for us to access is where it is at.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 05, 2009, 06:28:52 PM
will someone please report my post to the mods, it won't let me report my own.  sigh. 

wanted to apologize for the disruption and have a mod in, if need be. 

thanks. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 05, 2009, 06:30:08 PM
Sister,
Thank you for your post.  I too had childhood incidents. I only wish I was as strong as you because it has affected my adulthood....maybe it's time I no longer let it!!! Again sincere thanks and hugs!! You are an  ::MonkeyAngel:: in my eyes ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
will someone please report my post to the mods, it won't let me report my own.  sigh. 

wanted to apologize for the disruption and have a mod in, if need be. 

thanks. 

Don't expect me to be the one to do it. I think we have been strung along too.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 05, 2009, 06:39:00 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 06:39:59 PM
snipped:
The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet


Janet, as a child who was victimized, I can assure you I was not forgotten and I can equally assure you that I am not a victim, I am a survivor of an horrible experience over which I had no control.  My childhood was not robbed as I have many, many, many wonderful experiences during my childhood, and I have not spent a lifetime attempting to leave the past behind as my past is a part of who I am today and as such, though I am not glad it happened, it did, I cannot change it, but it does not control who I am or what I do, it is merely a part of "me" and I happen to really like me a lot.  Moving ahead one day at a time is not a struggle, it is an honor and a privlege and I consider myself one of the most blessed people to ever walk the face of the earth.
Now, a few years ago I was molested by a man that knew what I do for a living and that was his motivation.  Again, it does not define me and again I am not a victim, I am a survivor.  My adulthood has not been robbed, and I do not spend my days attempting to leave behind my past.
The only ones who are forgotten are those who have no one to remember them.  I remember them and I work as diligently as possible to help them remain remembered.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

sister ... I am thankful that you have been able to move passed such tramatic experiences.  However ... I am sure that many have crossed your path who are not as fortunate.

Could it be your ability to carried on uneffected and your ability to count your blessings ... is your unwavering faith in our Heavenly Father ... our Heavenly Father who give us strength and peace.  We have only to bow and reach up.

Love, Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 05, 2009, 06:40:49 PM
Sister,
Thank you for your post.  I too had childhood incidents. I only wish I was as strong as you because it has affected my adulthood....maybe it's time I no longer let it!!! Again sincere thanks and hugs!! You are an  ::MonkeyAngel:: in my eyes ::MonkeyKiss::

MunkeyMunk, I will ask our mods to maybe give us a thread in the monkey lounge to talk about it.  Thank you for sharing and I hope we can find a place to talk about this some more.  I have been blessed to have helped others.  I know some haven't gotten over it, I spend a lot of my free time trying to help.  You can be the victor!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 06:45:00 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 05, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Sister,
Thank you for your post.  I too had childhood incidents. I only wish I was as strong as you because it has affected my adulthood....maybe it's time I no longer let it!!! Again sincere thanks and hugs!! You are an  ::MonkeyAngel:: in my eyes ::MonkeyKiss::

MunkeyMunk, I will ask our mods to maybe give us a thread in the monkey lounge to talk about it.  Thank you for sharing and I hope we can find a place to talk about this some more.  I have been blessed to have helped others.  I know some haven't gotten over it, I spend a lot of my free time trying to help.  You can be the victor!!!


Again thanks for your strength......Now, let's find Lindsey!!!! ::MonkeyAngel::  I pray she is found safe somehoe somewhere ::MonkeyTears:: :


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 06:48:37 PM
will someone please report my post to the mods, it won't let me report my own.  sigh. 

wanted to apologize for the disruption and have a mod in, if need be. 

thanks. 
Wyks, I see you did nothing wrong  ::MonkeyCool:: You voiced your opinion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 06:48:53 PM
will someone please report my post to the mods, it won't let me report my own.  sigh. 

wanted to apologize for the disruption and have a mod in, if need be. 

thanks. 

Wyks I have read and reread your posts.  You have been consistently diplomatic and considerate in your words when  discussing a very difficult subject.  I have posted with you less than others, but have never seen you attack, demean or be rude to anyone, and that includes now.  No reporting you from this monkey. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: darla on October 05, 2009, 06:49:35 PM
NRCG....check your nanners.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 06:51:57 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::

Not MunkeyMunk but wanted to throw in that the midget owl may make items appear larger than they really are.   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 05, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::

Not MunkeyMunk but wanted to throw in that the midget owl may make items appear larger than they really are.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

fanny,
comment for you over on musing.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 05, 2009, 06:53:16 PM
Here's my thoughts right now...to me sounds like Cliffords offense was pretty bad.  And obviously the accusations against DG are bad.  Why was LE only interested in DG and not Clifford?  Seems to me like CG was staying low...however LE had to look at him considering his past.  hmmm...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 06:56:38 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

no rose colored glasses

I will lie and say that I have read those comments if ... it means that you will bring them over for the consideration of Monkeys.

  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet
[/quote ::MonkeyLaugh::  Me too!  NRCG ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 06:58:38 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533

The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet

  ::MonkeyEek:: OMG WOW! What an awful thing to say? Life goes on?

I haven't posted here, but maybe 5 times, but all I can say to this Kona woman, LIFE doesn't go on for victims of abuse. LIFE is never the same for sexual assault victims, nor for their families (if they even tell their family).  ::MonkeyMad::
Sorry I will go back to lurking now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::

Not MunkeyMunk but wanted to throw in that the midget owl may make items appear larger than they really are.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

fanny,
comment for you over on musing.... ::MonkeyEek::

OK!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on October 05, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 

After the warrants were released on Kona's property and what was posted up in the news, I just became numb and only waited to see what the LE had to say about what they found. It seems like they haven't found any solid evidence linking DG to the disapperance of Lindsey, but just suspcious activity. As I feel they had enough information and enough suspicions to investigate the family home, I don't think it should have been made public, since in fact it was only made that he was a person of interest.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 07:07:12 PM
How is any of this helping find Lindsey???

DD is satified with the research she has done on the Golders'.  So she is off researching other people/ideas.

That does not mean we cant research the Golders'.  If DD has decided not to share what she knows, well then come on monkeys, lets go find out for ourselves. 

To me, the more people we having looking in more directions - that will bring Lindsey home faster.  Which at the end of the day is what we all want   ::MonkeyAngel::   

Exactly Leroy.  Just because one person is satified shouldn't stop others from making up their own minds.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::

Not MunkeyMunk but wanted to throw in that the midget owl may make items appear larger than they really are.   ::MonkeyDevil2::
::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 07:09:32 PM
Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 

After the warrants were released on Kona's property and what was posted up in the news, I just became numb and only waited to see what the LE had to say about what they found. It seems like they haven't found any solid evidence linking DG to the disapperance of Lindsey, but just suspcious activity. As I feel they had enough information and enough suspicions to investigate the family home, I don't think it should have been made public, since in fact it was only made that he was a person of interest.

Just curious but WHY shouldn't have been made public, weren't the other one's public ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
Here's my thoughts right now...to me sounds like Cliffords offense was pretty bad.  And obviously the accusations against DG are bad.  Why was LE only interested in DG and not Clifford?  Seems to me like CG was staying low...however LE had to look at him considering his past.  hmmm...

Leroy

There are many registered sex offenders in the McCleary area.  I believe LE questioned them.

However ... Dale G. became the focus when a tip which was brought to the attention of LE was following up on ... a tip which implied there may have been circumstances that had a possible connection to Lindsey Baum on the evening of June 26, 2009.  I think it may have been something to do with the whereabouts of his vehicle.

Also ... it was stated on the forum that considering the offense committed by Clifford G. happened over 10 years ago ... he was not required by law to register as a sex offender.

IMO

Janet

++++++

Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.   Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »


From FamilyWatchDog.us - shows eight within a five mile radius.

Jessy d Braun   Home   100 block of Heslep Lane
McCleary, WA 98557   0.73   
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER   Home   10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557   1.76   
STACY NICKOLAS KUHN   Home   100 block of Stillson Road
McCleary, WA 98557   2.01   
Kuhn, Stacy Nickolas   Home   100 Stillson Road
Mccleary, WA 98557   2.04   
Holloway, Daniel G   Home   100 Bush RD
Elma, WA 98541   4.27   
DANIEL G HOLLOWAY   Home   100 block of Bush Creek Road
Elma, WA 98541   4.29   
LONNIE PAUL TURNER   Home   70 block of W PRAIRIE DR
ELMA, WA 98541   4.52   
Feeser, Michael David   Home   00 West Elma Hicklin RD
Mccleary, WA 98557   non-mappable

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135
   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 07:16:07 PM
NRCG....check your nanners.
Darla, I have had major issues with yahoo and my mail, I can't open anything right now, I will check it again after supper, sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on October 05, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 




I wish I could say things as plainly as you. I end up sputtering when I try to make a point sometimes. But I am glad you have said this. It needed to be said. Thank you.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank you so very much for expressing what so many of us think and feel.  I am so angry and so afraid of being banned that a reasonable post is impossible.  You have said it beautifully!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 07:25:31 PM
DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 




I wish I could say things as plainly as you. I end up sputtering when I try to make a point sometimes. But I am glad you have said this. It needed to be said. Thank you.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank you so very much for expressing what so many of us think and feel.  I am so angry and so afraid of being banned that a reasonable post is impossible.  You have said it beautifully!



I agree chi monkey and Fanny Mae.

Thank you Wyks.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 07:30:50 PM
I hope I don't need to put my helmet on, but since we are talking about theories, I have one I don't believe has been discussed.

The other night I said we just needed to go back to square one and I started to say it then. So I have sucked up the courage and I'm saying it now. Melissa Baum. Her strange behavior since the very first. I have read and know a little about this:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

I know, before everyone gets upset with me, hear me out. I am wondering if she likes the attention and has had this affliction in reference to her son, not Lindsey. Not necessarily causing his problems, but maybe covering for them and enabling him and exacerbating the problems. And in the end, this had something to do with an incident, and Lindsey goes missing.

I cannot get over her sitting on her porch all day, waiting for Lindsey to come home, and sitting where any passerby can see her sitting there. I cannot get past ANY excuse for turning down TES and not even speaking to HO when he came to talk to her. Some have said she is bi-polar. I cannot discuss her medical history, because I don't know. I have seen some of her "friends" posting that here.

The changing timeline, the passive attitude, the lack of emotions all turns the white light back onto her. If I am wrong about this, and she is a grieving mother, I apologize. But this has just been bugging me for the longest time.

Should I run??? ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 07:33:09 PM
NRCG....check your nanners.
Darla, I have had major issues with yahoo and my mail, I can't open anything right now, I will check it again after supper, sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There are a lot of monkeys having e-mail problems. There are some posts about it over in musings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 07:33:25 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533

The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet

  ::MonkeyEek:: OMG WOW! What an awful thing to say? Life goes on?

I haven't posted here, but maybe 5 times, but all I can say to this Kona woman, LIFE doesn't go on for victims of abuse. LIFE is never the same for sexual assault victims, nor for their families (if they even tell their family).  ::MonkeyMad::
Sorry I will go back to lurking now.

WOW, reading the ws thread above says "You might also want to check on a guy east of the highway that is a sex offender and the husband of the cousin the woman who owns the house searched.  MRS. DON GOLDER.  An old man lives in the back(since his wife passed on) and the SO lives in the front.  He was charged with molesting his daughter and I think a neice and one more girl."
  Have we any info on this man?  Also, I am still looking for the old man let go from the ATV Park.  How many SO's live around there?  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533

The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet

  ::MonkeyEek:: OMG WOW! What an awful thing to say? Life goes on?

I haven't posted here, but maybe 5 times, but all I can say to this Kona woman, LIFE doesn't go on for victims of abuse. LIFE is never the same for sexual assault victims, nor for their families (if they even tell their family).  ::MonkeyMad::
Sorry I will go back to lurking now.

WOW, reading the ws thread above says "You might also want to check on a guy east of the highway that is a sex offender and the husband of the cousin the woman who owns the house searched.  MRS. DON GOLDER.  An old man lives in the back(since his wife passed on) and the SO lives in the front.  He was charged with molesting his daughter and I think a neice and one more girl."
  Have we any info on this man?  Also, I am still looking for the old man let go from the ATV Park.  How many SO's live around there?  shortcake

I too would like more info on the rest of the SO's on that property! Anyone have anything? Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 05, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
Don't know about the rest of you Monkeys...but I am able to think for myself, so that said I am going back to the rafters . I do not want to get in trouble. Keep up the good work.
Darla, please don't, you know how much I like you, and enjoy your posts  ::MonkeyCool:: I have some very definite problems with all this, and there is no way I'm giving Clifford a pass, after reading some comments that Tena made to a poster on another forum. As of now I will let it be, unless somebody else has seen this and wants to bring it over  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wondered when more of this mothers story would unfold. "What goes around comes around" "Oh what a tangled web you weaved, when first you tried to deceieve!" Out of Kona.s mouth, "Now they know about my husband, Oh Well, Life goes on." Are you fricken kidding me!!!!! Life does not innocently go on for these children!! The only saving grace for these kids that some day with loving help they will be able to tuck this memory away in their brain of forgotten memories. Thats for the lucky ones. Shame on Kona for such a callouse response. Now it's out and I can go back and work on laws for these blessed children.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4246872&postcount=533

The forgotten victims ... childhoods robbed ... a lifetime of attempting to leave the past behind and moving ahead one day at a time ...

Thank you so much Recovery Lurker.

Janet

::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
uggg what a day on the board. Lets move on and keep the conversations going.

Where did Kona write that post about knowing about her husband? Is there a link?

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 05, 2009, 07:46:15 PM
How is any of this helping find Lindsey???

DD is satified with the research she has done on the Golders'.  So she is off researching other people/ideas.

That does not mean we cant research the Golders'.  If DD has decided not to share what she knows, well then come on monkeys, lets go find out for ourselves. 

To me, the more people we having looking in more directions - that will bring Lindsey home faster.  Which at the end of the day is what we all want   ::MonkeyAngel::   
YES!
Thank you Leroy!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 07:46:55 PM
uggg what a day on the board. Lets move on and keep the conversations going.

Where did Kona write that post about knowing about her husband? Is there a link?

 

lol, sorry I was so stunned I didn't see the link. never mind!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 07:51:09 PM
I hope I don't need to put my helmet on, but since we are talking about theories, I have one I don't believe has been discussed.

The other night I said we just needed to go back to square one and I started to say it then. So I have sucked up the courage and I'm saying it now. Melissa Baum. Her strange behavior since the very first. I have read and know a little about this:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

I know, before everyone gets upset with me, hear me out. I am wondering if she likes the attention and has had this affliction in reference to her son, not Lindsey. Not necessarily causing his problems, but maybe covering for them and enabling him and exacerbating the problems. And in the end, this had something to do with an incident, and Lindsey goes missing.

I cannot get over her sitting on her porch all day, waiting for Lindsey to come home, and sitting where any passerby can see her sitting there. I cannot get past ANY excuse for turning down TES and not even speaking to HO when he came to talk to her. Some have said she is bi-polar. I cannot discuss her medical history, because I don't know. I have seen some of her "friends" posting that here.

The changing timeline, the passive attitude, the lack of emotions all turns the white light back onto her. If I am wrong about this, and she is a grieving mother, I apologize. But this has just been bugging me for the longest time.

Should I run??? ::MonkeyWaa::

Fanny Mae

Considering the argument between brother and sister ... the witness sightings so close to home and .. the revealed dynamics encompassing Lindsey's relationship with brother and mother ... it has been my contention from the getgo that either Josh or Melissa Baum were participants in what happened to Lindsey and ... Melissa B. may have been involved in a coverup to protect herself or her son.

I do believe that only Chi-Monkey and a few other Monkeys felt comfortable going in that direction of speculation.  My reasoning has always been that the focus of LE should be the family as well as the last persons who were in Lindsey's company on the evening she went missing.  In other words ... in the process of elimination they should all be considered persons of interest until determined otherwise by the investigative process.

I have devoted an entire thread to this topic.

TIMELINES AND THEORIES
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5703.0

Janet

++++++ 


Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M









Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 05, 2009, 07:59:42 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::
LMAO!!!OMG....Fanny lol......just exactly what I needed right now,some funny Fanny humor lol
On that note I wish you all a great night.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 05, 2009, 08:04:12 PM
Fanny, I just now noticed you "fanny" lol :smt098 :smt041

sorry...o/t
O/T Does the pumpkin make my butt look big? ::MonkeyDevil2::

LMAO!!!OMG....Fanny lol......just exactly what I needed right now,some funny Fanny humor lol
On that note I wish you all a great night.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 08:06:45 PM
I hope I don't need to put my helmet on, but since we are talking about theories, I have one I don't believe has been discussed.

The other night I said we just needed to go back to square one and I started to say it then. So I have sucked up the courage and I'm saying it now. Melissa Baum. Her strange behavior since the very first. I have read and know a little about this:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

I know, before everyone gets upset with me, hear me out. I am wondering if she likes the attention and has had this affliction in reference to her son, not Lindsey. Not necessarily causing his problems, but maybe covering for them and enabling him and exacerbating the problems. And in the end, this had something to do with an incident, and Lindsey goes missing.

I cannot get over her sitting on her porch all day, waiting for Lindsey to come home, and sitting where any passerby can see her sitting there. I cannot get past ANY excuse for turning down TES and not even speaking to HO when he came to talk to her. Some have said she is bi-polar. I cannot discuss her medical history, because I don't know. I have seen some of her "friends" posting that here.

The changing timeline, the passive attitude, the lack of emotions all turns the white light back onto her. If I am wrong about this, and she is a grieving mother, I apologize. But this has just been bugging me for the longest time.

Should I run??? ::MonkeyWaa::
No, don't run, I have thought that myself, I have pretty much exhausted different theories, have read different theories, but always go back to that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 08:07:29 PM
NRCG....check your nanners.
Darla, I have had major issues with yahoo and my mail, I can't open anything right now, I will check it again after supper, sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There are a lot of monkeys having e-mail problems. There are some posts about it over in musings.
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: I'll go check, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 08:10:16 PM
Interesting shortcake and Karma  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 05, 2009, 08:28:46 PM
I hope I don't need to put my helmet on, but since we are talking about theories, I have one I don't believe has been discussed.

The other night I said we just needed to go back to square one and I started to say it then. So I have sucked up the courage and I'm saying it now. Melissa Baum. Her strange behavior since the very first. I have read and know a little about this:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

I know, before everyone gets upset with me, hear me out. I am wondering if she likes the attention and has had this affliction in reference to her son, not Lindsey. Not necessarily causing his problems, but maybe covering for them and enabling him and exacerbating the problems. And in the end, this had something to do with an incident, and Lindsey goes missing.

I cannot get over her sitting on her porch all day, waiting for Lindsey to come home, and sitting where any passerby can see her sitting there. I cannot get past ANY excuse for turning down TES and not even speaking to HO when he came to talk to her. Some have said she is bi-polar. I cannot discuss her medical history, because I don't know. I have seen some of her "friends" posting that here.

The changing timeline, the passive attitude, the lack of emotions all turns the white light back onto her. If I am wrong about this, and she is a grieving mother, I apologize. But this has just been bugging me for the longest time.

Should I run??? ::MonkeyWaa::
don't run!  with all these other cases we have taken EVERYBODY and ran through their backgrounds, records ect.  but for some reason not here.  so many locals inserting themselves on the board and face it...its hard to talk about someone when they are in the room.  well i say its time we start.  m. buam, k kampton, k kampton's 'old man' (do we even know his name?) Lindseys dad and everbody else.  granted m baum and kk's 'old man' passed polys but so did ron and misty cummings.  polys aren't perfect and if m. baum is bypolar and on meds hers shouldn't count anyway.  so lets get cracka lacken! ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 05, 2009, 08:30:10 PM
oh, and hello monkeys.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 08:33:02 PM
I found this handy dandy research tool. It is a list of ALL registered SO's in the state of Washington. Why is my printer broken when I really need it? http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54473&SubmitAllSearch=1&page=2


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 08:35:12 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyConfused:: Being new here and just lurking lately. I have one question please. Is GOLDER a common last name in Washington state or the Northwest? I have never in my life seen or heard of someone with that name. TIA JSM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 08:37:59 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

Hi TG,
I too have to wonder how Alice Walters plays into all of this. Having said that, it is unlikely that DG was Alice Walters. Since LE took his computers, they would have found that connection. However, I wonder if he had internet access at either of his two jobs and if those computers were looked at.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 08:41:52 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

Hi TG,
I too have to wonder how Alice Walters plays into all of this. Having said that, it is unlikely that DG was Alice Walters. Since LE took his computers, they would have found that connection. However, I wonder if he had internet access at either of his two jobs and if those computers were looked at.

Could Alice walters be a woman? Could she have been used to lure Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
oh, and hello monkeys.


Hi MAMA.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 08:43:47 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

Hi TG,
I too have to wonder how Alice Walters plays into all of this. Having said that, it is unlikely that DG was Alice Walters. Since LE took his computers, they would have found that connection. However, I wonder if he had internet access at either of his two jobs and if those computers were looked at.

Could Alice walters be a woman? Could she have been used to lure Lindsey?

Grea


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 08:44:32 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

Hi TG,
I too have to wonder how Alice Walters plays into all of this. Having said that, it is unlikely that DG was Alice Walters. Since LE took his computers, they would have found that connection. However, I wonder if he had internet access at either of his two jobs and if those computers were looked at.

Could Alice walters be a woman? Could she have been used to lure Lindsey?

Grea

Sorry, hit return prematurely. I think that is a great thought!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 08:44:49 PM
DD..

IIRC, we have heard from you time after again, to wait....... you had 'all' the info needed to support your claims that it's all such a big mess.   You asked us to be patient, you are getting that together, and when you had it together, THEN we'll all understand the truths in this case. But DD, that's not happened yet!!!  We've been waiting... and waiting..  Your asking us to wait, you had the 'proof' etc, is why we've been sitting here waiting! 

Of course you do not 'owe' us anything!  We do expect however, that you'll eventually come back with what you have told us over and again that you have.  And when you don't?  Do you understand how frustrated we become?  Not to mention, our forum has become a laughing stock of the forum worlds, because we are waiting.... waiting..... waiting on info that you said you had. 

And then you come in and tell us ok, I don't have time for this.  Do your own research.  ??  Then why tell us to wait for your proof, etc.??  I do believe that you do owe us at least an explanation for why you have not provided what you said you would, all the while wanting us to trust you, that once we knew what you knew then we'd understand.  IMO. 

This has not only caused divisiveness between other boards, it has IMO caused divisiveness in this thread.  As monkeys and others have joined your forum where work is done together, info shared, and understandings brought.  Who then come here, with that understanding, but several here still without it.  And sides seem to have been taken up.  Anything that causes such divisiveness is not a positive direction forward, IMO.  Many sit back, afraid to post, afraid to hurt feelings, afraid to be seen in their sharing opinions as 'taking sides'. 

Yes, DD.. I think you do owe us at least an explanation.  Without being defensive.  We understand that you are busy, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.  You have time to sit in the rafters, am thinking that you have time to just post what you told us from the start to wait.... for.  Or an explanation of why we are still waiting. 




I wish I could say things as plainly as you. I end up sputtering when I try to make a point sometimes. But I am glad you have said this. It needed to be said. Thank you.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank you so very much for expressing what so many of us think and feel.  I am so angry and so afraid of being banned that a reasonable post is impossible.  You have said it beautifully!



I agree chi monkey and Fanny Mae.

Thank you Wyks.

Janet



I agree as well...Although DD says there is no friendship, her statements appear to want to protect Kona...is that helping in the search for Lindsey?   If there is information that may help us understand your position, please post it.  You asked us to wait, and we are still waiting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?

sebastian

Could this be the person you thought was Brian Golder.

Janet

+++++

Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 05, 2009, 08:48:49 PM
oh, and hello monkeys.


Hi MAMA.  ::MonkeyKiss::
::MonkeyAngel:: hiya miss Mae ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 08:48:57 PM
The one thing I keep thinking is everyone keeps saying it is someone she must know because the area would not easily be a place one just happens upon. Although if anyone recalls there is a sex offender group that meets at a church or something, that may bring people into the area.

So in looking at those we know she knew and who may have something hinky about them this alice walters pops up. Who is this person and why are there other Alice Walters with no city, only US listed and is 18 years old? Where would she have met this person, on line maybe? In person? Can anyone get into her myspace?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 05, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
I wonder since LB changed her myspace if this Alice Walters was found on a site to do with Twilight book or series or whatever that is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 05, 2009, 08:50:17 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 05, 2009, 08:53:26 PM
I wonder since LB changed her myspace if this Alice Walters was found on a site to do with Twilight book or series or whatever that is?
i googled 'cults in wa state' and got a vampire cult for only people who live in wa.  give me a sec i'll get the link.  could be a bunch of kids but who knows?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyConfused:: Being new here and just lurking lately. I have one question please. Is GOLDER a common last name in Washington state or the Northwest? I have never in my life seen or heard of someone with that name. TIA JSM

I lived in the NW for almost 30 years, and I really don't remember hearing the name, nor did I know anyone with that name that I can recall.  So, No not common.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 08:55:26 PM
Give me a reason why I should believe Kona's words over LE?  Give me a reason why ANY sex offenders in the area should be given a free pass? 

DD, I respect your research abilities but disagree with you on this.  Kona's family may be perfectly innocent but they clearly raised an eyebrow with LE and do with me as well.

Klass, I have no problem whatsoever in different people having different people they research because each of us have different theories... I don't mind everyone having their own theory and working on it.  But why do I have to be the one to do the research or keep answering posts about it... When I have a different theory what is the problem with my spending MY OWN TIME on MY OWN theory rather than on one I don't believe, to the point I can't work on my own. This is the problem for me.  I am sorry but I don't owe my time and effort to a theory I believe is all BS.  Do all of you want to work on MY theory for me and not work on your own?  see what I mean.  This is a huge huge lot of work... I choose to work on sortying the info I have and getting it into some forum where someone can understand it and get it where it needs to go.  I can't do that by researching everyone elses theories.
I don't expect people to agree with me about kona or the golders or whatever, and I knew that when I decided to let people know how I felt about it all.  I told people I would most likely stand alone on this issue.  It is no surprise to me whatsover. And it is all okay, really it is... but what is not okay is being trashed and people acting like I owe them my time and effort to research someone I don't even believe will help, to the point I can't get my info sorted that I already have about something, and do something with it. 

DD - you are the one who defended them and said the search of their property was BS.  You are the one who said you would explain it all.  WE would have been happy to do our research and watch the news and let it play out. 

No offense, but YOU telling me that the Golder's are OK doesn't make them OK.  They may be innocent of harming Lindsey or not.  Just because nothing was found in the search, at this late date, does not mean that something couldn't turn up at a later date.  I'm not ready to give anyone a "free pass".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 08:57:19 PM
I hope I don't need to put my helmet on, but since we are talking about theories, I have one I don't believe has been discussed.

The other night I said we just needed to go back to square one and I started to say it then. So I have sucked up the courage and I'm saying it now. Melissa Baum. Her strange behavior since the very first. I have read and know a little about this:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

I know, before everyone gets upset with me, hear me out. I am wondering if she likes the attention and has had this affliction in reference to her son, not Lindsey. Not necessarily causing his problems, but maybe covering for them and enabling him and exacerbating the problems. And in the end, this had something to do with an incident, and Lindsey goes missing.

I cannot get over her sitting on her porch all day, waiting for Lindsey to come home, and sitting where any passerby can see her sitting there. I cannot get past ANY excuse for turning down TES and not even speaking to HO when he came to talk to her. Some have said she is bi-polar. I cannot discuss her medical history, because I don't know. I have seen some of her "friends" posting that here.

The changing timeline, the passive attitude, the lack of emotions all turns the white light back onto her. If I am wrong about this, and she is a grieving mother, I apologize. But this has just been bugging me for the longest time.

Should I run??? ::MonkeyWaa::
Fanny, I'm not sure about the Munchausen's but when I first read here at the beginning. I thought something bad happened either with her brother or her mom. I don't know why, just that is the first place to look and I thought of poor Robert Manwill and what happened to him at his house. But the family is the first for LE to look at and usually is what I zoom in on too. That being said, GOOD LORD how many SO live up there?  ::MonkeyConfused:: I can't get my head straight with them all coming out of the woodwork.

And that is why I lurk here, because it drives my head crazy.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
The one thing I keep thinking is everyone keeps saying it is someone she must know because the area would not easily be a place one just happens upon. Although if anyone recalls there is a sex offender group that meets at a church or something, that may bring people into the area.

So in looking at those we know she knew and who may have something hinky about them this alice walters pops up. Who is this person and why are there other Alice Walters with no city, only US listed and is 18 years old? Where would she have met this person, on line maybe? In person? Can anyone get into her myspace?

Tracy, early on we were researching a church in the area that appeared to take in drug addicts, or people recently released from prison.  It was in McCleary as I recall.  Can anyone remember the details of all this...I know we had pictures etc of events.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 05, 2009, 08:58:29 PM
May 20, 2009 ... Is this a reference to Twilight, the now cult-classic book and movie? ... We urge Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire to take the lead on ...
www.hcn.org/.../the-real-story-of-vampires-and-forks-washington - Cached - Similar
State said its action on Tavares appropriate.(NEWS) Newspaper article from: Telegram ... Vampire cult member to plead guilty to avoid death penalty ...
www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-15314034.html - Cached - Similar
Jul 13, 2009 ... Forks, Washington State in which to set her vampire series. ... to fans about the dangers of becoming cult followers of the books. ...
www.guardian.co.uk/.../twilight-vampires-forks-washington-state - Cached - Similar
Find Meetup Groups in Seattle, WA, us about Vampire. ... Tacoma, WA. Aug 9, 2009. RICHARD. “ i Want to join a Satanic Vampire coven 20S to 40s ” ...
vampires.meetup.com/cities/us/wa/seattle/ - Cached - Similar
vampirefreaks.com/cult/VampireFreaksOfWashington ·


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on October 05, 2009, 09:03:19 PM
May 20, 2009 ... Is this a reference to Twilight, the now cult-classic book and movie? ... We urge Washington state Gov. Chris Gregoire to take the lead on ...
www.hcn.org/.../the-real-story-of-vampires-and-forks-washington - Cached - Similar
State said its action on Tavares appropriate.(NEWS) Newspaper article from: Telegram ... Vampire cult member to plead guilty to avoid death penalty ...
www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-15314034.html - Cached - Similar
Jul 13, 2009 ... Forks, Washington State in which to set her vampire series. ... to fans about the dangers of becoming cult followers of the books. ...
www.guardian.co.uk/.../twilight-vampires-forks-washington-state - Cached - Similar
Find Meetup Groups in Seattle, WA, us about Vampire. ... Tacoma, WA. Aug 9, 2009. RICHARD. “ i Want to join a Satanic Vampire coven 20S to 40s ” ...
vampires.meetup.com/cities/us/wa/seattle/ - Cached - Similar
vampirefreaks.com/cult/VampireFreaksOfWashington ·
hopefully it will show up as a link now
vampirefreaks.com/cult/VampireFreaksOfWashington ·

i gotta go watch a movie, hugs to ALL monkeys


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: joesamas mama on October 05, 2009, 09:03:56 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyConfused:: Being new here and just lurking lately. I have one question please. Is GOLDER a common last name in Washington state or the Northwest? I have never in my life seen or heard of someone with that name. TIA JSM

I lived in the NW for almost 30 years, and I really don't remember hearing the name, nor did I know anyone with that name that I can recall.  So, No not common.
Thank you. I have a strange maiden name and there are very few people with that last name. Reason I was asking is with all these RSO with the same name, could they be related in some way. I'm sure this has been asked before in earlier threads. TIA JSM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 09:08:36 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyConfused:: Being new here and just lurking lately. I have one question please. Is GOLDER a common last name in Washington state or the Northwest? I have never in my life seen or heard of someone with that name. TIA JSM

I lived in the NW for almost 30 years, and I really don't remember hearing the name, nor did I know anyone with that name that I can recall.  So, No not common.

I just did an INTELIUS search of Washington and found 56 Golders.  Kinda looks like if you are a Golder, chances are you are a SO or related to one.  Cruel, but there is a little truth in that.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:10:45 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyConfused:: Being new here and just lurking lately. I have one question please. Is GOLDER a common last name in Washington state or the Northwest? I have never in my life seen or heard of someone with that name. TIA JSM

I lived in the NW for almost 30 years, and I really don't remember hearing the name, nor did I know anyone with that name that I can recall.  So, No not common.

AZSunny

In my 62 years of life I have never hear the name Golder.  I just checked  the online TELUS directory and there are 13 Golders listed in the province of British Columbia.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
The one thing I keep thinking is everyone keeps saying it is someone she must know because the area would not easily be a place one just happens upon. Although if anyone recalls there is a sex offender group that meets at a church or something, that may bring people into the area.

So in looking at those we know she knew and who may have something hinky about them this alice walters pops up. Who is this person and why are there other Alice Walters with no city, only US listed and is 18 years old? Where would she have met this person, on line maybe? In person? Can anyone get into her myspace?

Tracy, early on we were researching a church in the area that appeared to take in drug addicts, or people recently released from prison.  It was in McCleary as I recall.  Can anyone remember the details of all this...I know we had pictures etc of events.

AZSunny

Maybe you can find info on the church you are looking for in the following thread that DD created.

Janet

+++++++++

The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:17:09 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?
  ::MonkeyConfused:: Being new here and just lurking lately. I have one question please. Is GOLDER a common last name in Washington state or the Northwest? I have never in my life seen or heard of someone with that name. TIA JSM

I lived in the NW for almost 30 years, and I really don't remember hearing the name, nor did I know anyone with that name that I can recall.  So, No not common.

Hi Neighbour.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 05, 2009, 09:27:55 PM
I just wish DD would explain why she so stands behind the Golders, maybe then we could get an understanding of where she is going with this. And I don't consider that Mr Golder and his offense is airing dirty laundry, to me that is very important info considering....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: shortcake on October 05, 2009, 09:33:22 PM
My take on the KaraK or MB involvement in the disappearance of LB is that if either one had something to do with it, they probably would have been outed by now.  MB and KaraK are outsiders and not "in" yet.  Hard to understand, but look at the lack of community involvement(IMO).  Now, it looks like families cling to each other and would not dare rat on anyone related.  Like the Golders.  If one of them was accused, they would fight like Tena is doing(IMO).  I tend to look past MB and KaraK, but believe those two should be looked at before we move on.  By the way we need a spinning head monkey.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 09:35:01 PM
The one thing I keep thinking is everyone keeps saying it is someone she must know because the area would not easily be a place one just happens upon. Although if anyone recalls there is a sex offender group that meets at a church or something, that may bring people into the area.

So in looking at those we know she knew and who may have something hinky about them this alice walters pops up. Who is this person and why are there other Alice Walters with no city, only US listed and is 18 years old? Where would she have met this person, on line maybe? In person? Can anyone get into her myspace?

Tracy, early on we were researching a church in the area that appeared to take in drug addicts, or people recently released from prison.  It was in McCleary as I recall.  Can anyone remember the details of all this...I know we had pictures etc of events.

Invitation
(closed group)
Way of Escape
12-step Recovery from Sexual Addiction
Contact: Mike Hobbs
Phone: 360 790-7137 (After 5:00 PM)
 
http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 09:39:19 PM
The one thing I keep thinking is everyone keeps saying it is someone she must know because the area would not easily be a place one just happens upon. Although if anyone recalls there is a sex offender group that meets at a church or something, that may bring people into the area.

So in looking at those we know she knew and who may have something hinky about them this alice walters pops up. Who is this person and why are there other Alice Walters with no city, only US listed and is 18 years old? Where would she have met this person, on line maybe? In person? Can anyone get into her myspace?

Tracy, early on we were researching a church in the area that appeared to take in drug addicts, or people recently released from prison.  It was in McCleary as I recall.  Can anyone remember the details of all this...I know we had pictures etc of events.

AZSunny

Maybe you can find info on the church you are looking for in the following thread that DD created.

Janet

+++++++++

The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.0


That is it,  I think TracyGirl was asking about it.  I just can't remember all the details...and I am older than you too!  LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 09:46:44 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I am not sure about and Alice Walters connection, and someone mentioned somewhere that there was a band by that name....local band?  I could be wrong, but it seems like if there was an Walters connection it would be more of a gang related conspiracy, and I don't think that is what is going on here.  I think it was not well thought out, and more of an opportunity that presented itself and some SO took advantage of it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 09:50:57 PM
http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=824546&AgencyID=54469

Here is another registered SO with the last name Golder. I wonder if there is any relation?

sebastian

Could this be the person you thought was Brian Golder.

Janet

+++++

Does anyone remember if there was a Brian Golder related to any of the others? I typed in "golder sex offender" on google and you would not believe all of the filth that comes up. I am too chicken to click on any of the links.


Hi Janet,
One is Brian and the other is Byron but anything is possible!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 09:52:43 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 09:55:15 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Strongtower is following our blog. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 09:58:37 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Strongtower is following our blog. 

Probably! I guess I just want to know what his agenda is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Strongtower is following our blog. 

Probably! I guess I just want to know what his agenda is.

Not only Tina Golder at that phone number but also this:

http://graysharborwashington.com/city/McCleary/business/Williams+Companies+Inc


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Strongtower is following our blog. 

Probably! I guess I just want to know what his agenda is.

Not only Tina Golder at that phone number but also this:

http://graysharborwashington.com/city/McCleary/business/Williams+Companies+Inc

Wow Klaasend, thank you! So is it safe to assume that someone in the Golder family is a trucker? That is my take.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 05, 2009, 10:21:14 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Strongtower is following our blog. 

Probably! I guess I just want to know what his agenda is.

Not only Tina Golder at that phone number but also this:

http://graysharborwashington.com/city/McCleary/business/Williams+Companies+Inc

and isnt KK's boyfriend a truck driver as well?  Is Clifford Golder?   Very interesting...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 10:23:40 PM
ATTENTION MCCLEARY RESIDENTS:
POST: CCS/STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 150:
SUBJECT; DG/DALE GOLDER:
[D]ale Golder may have Dropped off the LE POI/Person of Interest List, however, 'Strongtower has a "LIST" of his own! Just how 'Precise is this List? It is sooooooooo dang 'Percise! Just how 'Bent is this 'Strongtower when he read Dale Golder's Backgroung Rap Sheet, McCleary Cause #00MC0014? He is soooooooooo dang Bent! Contact "Tina Golder" for Details on Dale Golder @(360) 495-0002 Contact 'Strongtower @strongtowerlee@aol.com

Here is the latest from you know who. Klaasend, if there is anything that needs to be edited, please let me know.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Strongtower is following our blog. 

Probably! I guess I just want to know what his agenda is.

Not only Tina Golder at that phone number but also this:

http://graysharborwashington.com/city/McCleary/business/Williams+Companies+Inc

and isnt KK's boyfriend a truck driver as well?  Is Clifford Golder?   Very interesting...

The Williams Companies Inc Business InformationClaim This ProfileThe Williams Companies Inc is a private company categorized under Gas Transmission Companies and located in Mc Cleary, WA.
Also Does Business As
The Williams Companies Inc 
HQ, Branch or Single Location
Branch
Annual Sales (Estimated)
Information not found (?) 
Employees (Estimated)
At this location

SIC Code and Description
4922, Natural Gas Transmission
NAICS Code and Description
486210, Pipeline Transportation of Natural Gas Products, Services and Brands
Information not found (?)
State of Incorporation
Information not found
Years in Business
Information not found

Company Contacts
Contact Name Gender   
Ken Black, Manager — Claim This Profile 

I wonder who Ken Black, the manager is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 10:31:00 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: klaasend on October 05, 2009, 10:51:46 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

That's what I'm thinking.  The McCleary address for the business is a PO Box and the phone number the same as Tina Golder.  I just thought it was interresting it came up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 10:53:56 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

That's what I'm thinking.  The McCleary address for the business is a PO Box and the phone number the same as Tina Golder.  I just thought it was interresting it came up.

Very interesting!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
I did notice that he put parenthesis around another letter. DD never did answer me about the whole encrypted thing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 11:08:23 PM
The one thing I keep thinking is everyone keeps saying it is someone she must know because the area would not easily be a place one just happens upon. Although if anyone recalls there is a sex offender group that meets at a church or something, that may bring people into the area.

So in looking at those we know she knew and who may have something hinky about them this alice walters pops up. Who is this person and why are there other Alice Walters with no city, only US listed and is 18 years old? Where would she have met this person, on line maybe? In person? Can anyone get into her myspace?

Tracy, early on we were researching a church in the area that appeared to take in drug addicts, or people recently released from prison.  It was in McCleary as I recall.  Can anyone remember the details of all this...I know we had pictures etc of events.

AZSunny

Maybe you can find info on the church you are looking for in the following thread that DD created.

Janet

+++++++++

The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.0


That is it,  I think TracyGirl was asking about it.  I just can't remember all the details...and I am older than you too!   LOL

AZSunny

Have you every put the sour cream in the cupboard instead of the fridge?  I did last week and ... hubby discovered it today.  As my grandkids would say ...  YUUUUKY.  I threatened once again to call a meeting with the grown kids to discuss my plight.  I told him that they can send me wherever as long as my computer can come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well ... a Scrabble game awaits.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 05, 2009, 11:16:12 PM
Hi all!  i usually sit in the corner (and my hubby would tell me i should mind my own business and stay in the corner right about now lol)...but I have to go out on a limb here and stand in DD's corner in regards to the Golders involvement in lindsey's disappearance, and that time is running out and Lindsey needs to be found NOW, winter is coming !
(!I am not a local,, nor do I know any locals, including the Golders  I have merely  followed this case online from day one.  An example I could give is  if DG's car had any evidence in it , he would NOT have it back already. Trust that I  know that,  at least where I live..
IMO, I  think the Goldera are just collateral damage, nothing to do with Lindsey. Just like some other people that have been 'looked at'. Yes there's a lot of problems in mccleary. As there is in Everytown USA. Were not here for that...

It is  A diversion from the truth.
By whom? I dunno.. LE? Hmmm.  Or..
Parents...of kids?
Kids who do know something or worse yet, were involved. (I also think someone older with authority was involved, but will keep that to myself right now lol)
I'm focused on  the kids/teens right now.  I can't decide if she went with her/him /them willingly at first or not, but I lean toward yes at first, then it quickly turned to 'not so much'...Either way, something bad happened, in the woods, or on someones land, near the woods, either  accidental or planned,  and she is no longer with us.
And those kids aren't talking outside the witness group... Yet. Or are they?
Ya know, when it cones to interrogating minors. LE has to cross all T's and dot all I's. LE isn't going to advertise info about minors, they probably can't, legally...
But someone like DD... She doesn't have T's or I's to watch.
And she certainly couldnt tell us about it if she did, comprende?:-)
I'm just sayin'...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 11:19:38 PM
Here is an older message he left on a news article as a comment

ATTENTION; OPERATION FIND LINDSEY BAUM:
POST: DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES
POST: BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT:
SUBJECT: WAYNE SCOTT WATNE: YOUR BEING PROFILED:
DNA/BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. Citizens of McCleary. Did you know that the Clueless Witness who nobody knows anything about, male/female, etc., had Zero Authority Seperating Lindsey Baum from her Brother, Josh Baum on their way to their Friends House? No Phone to the Mother! Find Mysterious Witness & Solve the Case.
Considering the Fact that “WAYNE SCOTT WATNE” Lives right around the Corner from the Baum Residence, tells me he’s the Guy!!
Coments To; (253) 831-8429
polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 05, 2009, 11:20:37 PM
Sorry I forgot the last line of his post

URGENCY: $5500 Reward now Offered for Information leading to the Abductor’s Trail to Walla Walla!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:21:11 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Island,
I did some more googling and it looks like the company headquarters is out of Oklahoma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 11:30:50 PM
Here is an older message he left on a news article as a comment

ATTENTION; OPERATION FIND LINDSEY BAUM:
POST: DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES
POST: BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT:
SUBJECT: WAYNE SCOTT WATNE: YOUR BEING PROFILED:
DNA/BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. Citizens of McCleary. Did you know that the Clueless Witness who nobody knows anything about, male/female, etc., had Zero Authority Seperating Lindsey Baum from her Brother, Josh Baum on their way to their Friends House? No Phone to the Mother! Find Mysterious Witness & Solve the Case.
Considering the Fact that “WAYNE SCOTT WATNE” Lives right around the Corner from the Baum Residence, tells me he’s the Guy!!
Coments To; (253) 831-8429

Hi Northern Rose,
I saw this one too. Have you seen this one?

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
OPERATION FLUSHOUT SATINIC WORSHIPERS IN MCCLEARY:
POST: CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD:
MISSION STATEMENT; THE OCCULT HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[W]hen CCS got wind of the Occult in Mccleary, they went Ballistic! CCS’S Squad Leader, ‘Stronghold went straight to the Word. Just what does the Word have to say on this Issue? Simply this! “GOOD always Prevails over Evil.” In other Words, Step aside Satin, Stronghold Suited up & put on the “whole Suit of Armor! Stronghold Loves going Toe to Toe with the Occult, & just how Cold is this CCS/Strongtower when dealing with the Occult? They/He is soooooooooooooooooooooo dang Cold!! Contact Strongtower at polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com GOD BLESS’


polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
Here is an older message he left on a news article as a comment

ATTENTION; OPERATION FIND LINDSEY BAUM:
POST: DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES
POST: BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT:
SUBJECT: WAYNE SCOTT WATNE: YOUR BEING PROFILED:
DNA/BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. Citizens of McCleary. Did you know that the Clueless Witness who nobody knows anything about, male/female, etc., had Zero Authority Seperating Lindsey Baum from her Brother, Josh Baum on their way to their Friends House? No Phone to the Mother! Find Mysterious Witness & Solve the Case.
Considering the Fact that “WAYNE SCOTT WATNE” Lives right around the Corner from the Baum Residence, tells me he’s the Guy!!
Coments To; (253) 831-8429

Hi Northern Rose,
I saw this one too. Have you seen this one?

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
OPERATION FLUSHOUT SATINIC WORSHIPERS IN MCCLEARY:
POST: CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD:
MISSION STATEMENT; THE OCCULT HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[W]hen CCS got wind of the Occult in Mccleary, they went Ballistic! CCS’S Squad Leader, ‘Stronghold went straight to the Word. Just what does the Word have to say on this Issue? Simply this! “GOOD always Prevails over Evil.” In other Words, Step aside Satin, Stronghold Suited up & put on the “whole Suit of Armor! Stronghold Loves going Toe to Toe with the Occult, & just how Cold is this CCS/Strongtower when dealing with the Occult? They/He is soooooooooooooooooooooo dang Cold!! Contact Strongtower at polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com GOD BLESS’


polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424



DD has my interest piqued! Why does he put certain letters in parenthesis? Notice the W?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:32:50 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Island,
I did some more googling and it looks like the company headquarters is out of Oklahoma.

The main reason I asked was because it says it is a private company, and private companies don't trade on any exchange listed or OTC, they don't have to meet the criteria to trade on public exchanges.

The only reason I know is I trade bonds and stocks for a living, so was curious if I missed anything ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:35:51 PM
Here is an older message he left on a news article as a comment

ATTENTION; OPERATION FIND LINDSEY BAUM:
POST: DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES
POST: BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT:
SUBJECT: WAYNE SCOTT WATNE: YOUR BEING PROFILED:
DNA/BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. Citizens of McCleary. Did you know that the Clueless Witness who nobody knows anything about, male/female, etc., had Zero Authority Seperating Lindsey Baum from her Brother, Josh Baum on their way to their Friends House? No Phone to the Mother! Find Mysterious Witness & Solve the Case.
Considering the Fact that “WAYNE SCOTT WATNE” Lives right around the Corner from the Baum Residence, tells me he’s the Guy!!
Coments To; (253) 831-8429

Hi Northern Rose,
I saw this one too. Have you seen this one?

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
OPERATION FLUSHOUT SATINIC WORSHIPERS IN MCCLEARY:
POST: CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD:
MISSION STATEMENT; THE OCCULT HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[W]hen CCS got wind of the Occult in Mccleary, they went Ballistic! CCS’S Squad Leader, ‘Stronghold went straight to the Word. Just what does the Word have to say on this Issue? Simply this! “GOOD always Prevails over Evil.” In other Words, Step aside Satin, Stronghold Suited up & put on the “whole Suit of Armor! Stronghold Loves going Toe to Toe with the Occult, & just how Cold is this CCS/Strongtower when dealing with the Occult? They/He is soooooooooooooooooooooo dang Cold!! Contact Strongtower at polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com GOD BLESS’


polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424



DD has my interest piqued! Why does he put certain letters in parenthesis? Notice the W?

I don't know ::MonkeyConfused:: his myspace page is weird too, lots of CAPS them none ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 11:37:21 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Island,
I did some more googling and it looks like the company headquarters is out of Oklahoma.

The main reason I asked was because it says it is a private company, and private companies don't trade on any exchange listed or OTC, they don't have to meet the criteria to trade on public exchanges.

The only reason I know is I trade bonds and stocks for a living, so was curious if I missed anything ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think this may be the companies website  http://www.williams.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 05, 2009, 11:41:21 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Island,
I did some more googling and it looks like the company headquarters is out of Oklahoma.

The main reason I asked was because it says it is a private company, and private companies don't trade on any exchange listed or OTC, they don't have to meet the criteria to trade on public exchanges.

The only reason I know is I trade bonds and stocks for a living, so was curious if I missed anything ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think this may be the companies website  http://www.williams.com/

I googled that one first because I knew the ticker symbol, but that is a public co and I thought the other one stated it was a private company?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 11:57:12 PM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Island,
I did some more googling and it looks like the company headquarters is out of Oklahoma.

The main reason I asked was because it says it is a private company, and private companies don't trade on any exchange listed or OTC, they don't have to meet the criteria to trade on public exchanges.

The only reason I know is I trade bonds and stocks for a living, so was curious if I missed anything ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think this may be the companies website  http://www.williams.com/

I googled that one first because I knew the ticker symbol, but that is a public co and I thought the other one stated it was a private company?

In the first link about the company that Klaasend gave it states, "trucking operator NONLOCAL". It also says that the company offers pipeline transportation of natural gas. If they had some big company doing pipeline transportation you would think that the locals would know about it and we would have seen something in all of the photos shot of the property. I am just more apt to believe that someone at that property is a truck driver.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 05, 2009, 11:58:42 PM
Island do you still have the link to strongtowers myspace?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 12:00:52 AM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The witness siting is not a secret, the name starts with a R, (I can't recall the name, sorry) she is the same person what broke up the argument between Lindsey and Josh. She worked with MB, not sure if they still do work together and if this is the same person that helped drive MB around, I think MM said a co worker was helping her get to and from work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:04:27 AM
Ok it looks like this company is on the New York stock exchange. Not to be mean but after seeing where the Golder's live, I doubt they would own a company like that. Maybe someone at the residence is a driver for the company? Not sure

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes you think its on the NYSE? Just curious because the annual sales are no high enough to be listed, NYSE or AMEX, and really too small to be OTC traded, plus I see no ticker symbol.......am I missing something ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Island,
I did some more googling and it looks like the company headquarters is out of Oklahoma.

The main reason I asked was because it says it is a private company, and private companies don't trade on any exchange listed or OTC, they don't have to meet the criteria to trade on public exchanges.

The only reason I know is I trade bonds and stocks for a living, so was curious if I missed anything ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think this may be the companies website  http://www.williams.com/

I googled that one first because I knew the ticker symbol, but that is a public co and I thought the other one stated it was a private company?

In the first link about the company that Klaasend gave it states, "trucking operator NONLOCAL". It also says that the company offers pipeline transportation of natural gas. If they had some big company doing pipeline transportation you would think that the locals would know about it and we would have seen something in all of the photos shot of the property. I am just more apt to believe that someone at that property is a truck driver.

I'm inclined to go with truck driver also, let me look for the link-I found it doing a reverse email search so it should still be in the reports.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
Finally got the backround check. It doesn't show anything for employment for some reason, most times it does. The age is wrong, should be 45

Don Golder STATE = WA
Search Results:
Name: DONALD C GOLDER
Address: 149 FOREMAN RD MCCLEARY WA 98557 (Google maps)
Verified address: No
County: GRAYS HARBOR
Phone: 
DOB: Age: 40     
Gender: M
Education: 
Occupation Group: Sales/Service
Occupation: Unknown
Ethnic Code: Jewish
Ethnic Group: 
Language Code: 
Marital status: Married
Business owner: 
Record ID #: 
Possible nicknames: 
Donald Golder
Possible Relatives and associates:
TENA GOLDER Age: 45
TENA GOLDER Age: 45
TENA M GOLDER Age: 45
Neighbors:
Name: JILL J VANWORMER Address: 102 FOREMAN RD MCCLEARY WA98557 Phone: 
Name: DAVID A TUTTLE Address: 130 FOREMAN RD MCCLEARY WA98557 Phone: 360-495-0310
Address Records:
Address: 149 FOREMAN RD  Latitude: 47.036798
City: MCCLEARY Longitude: -123.279559
State: WA Dwelling unit size: N/R
Zip: 98557 Homeowner/renter: Homeowner
County: GRAYS HARBOR Length of residence: 8 years
Area Data:
City Data: Mccleary City Population: 1,454 Housing Units: 583
Land Square Miles: 1.82 Water Square Miles: 0.01 FIPS: 53
FIPS Place: 4122 Latitude: 47.055359 Longitude: -123.268859
Property Records:
Home purchase price: N/R Loan Type: N/R
Purchase date: N/R Estimated value: $214,760
Mortgage Lender: N/R Mortgage term: N/R
Date of refinance: 0000-00-00 Refinance amount: N/R
Refinance Lender: N/R Refinance Loan Type: N/R
Possible Deceased Records:
No possible records found
Possible Criminal Records
Initial search by state found no matches by criteria entered.

 


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:07:21 AM
 ::MonkeySkate::

 Reverse Email Search  10/04/09 10:29 PM PST


 polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:09:55 AM
::MonkeySkate::

 Reverse Email Search  10/04/09 10:29 PM PST


 polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com

::MonkeyDevil2::

My bad.....posted too soon
http://www.myspace.com/495207585



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:10:43 AM
::MonkeySkate::

 Reverse Email Search  10/04/09 10:29 PM PST


 polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com

::MonkeyDevil2::

My bad.....posted too soon
http://www.myspace.com/495207585


http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab74/OPERATIONFLUSHOUT/


::MonkeyBike::

And photobucket... 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 06, 2009, 12:15:07 AM
I spent over an hour trying to figure this out but am just too tired to think straight.  It's probably something you smart monkeys knew from the get-go anyway.  I was searching at www.ussearch.com and saw this:

      Melissa Baum  Melissa C Baum  Melissa Pierpiont  Melissa Pierpoint  Melissa C Pierpoint  Melissa Carol Pierpoint       38  37  36                   Mccleary, WA  Union City, TN  Olympia, WA  Lacey, WA  Martin, TN  Sharon, TN  Tumwater, WA  Tacoma, WA  Greenfield, TN       Gregory Scott Baum  Joshua S Baum  Tena Weyland Baum

Relatives are in bold.  Tena Baum? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 12:20:01 AM
Here is an older message he left on a news article as a comment

ATTENTION; OPERATION FIND LINDSEY BAUM:
POST: DNA/DESKTOP PUBLISHING AIRWAVES
POST: BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT:
SUBJECT: WAYNE SCOTT WATNE: YOUR BEING PROFILED:
DNA/BPU Profiles Serial Killers, Missing Persons, Specializing in Missing Children. Citizens of McCleary. Did you know that the Clueless Witness who nobody knows anything about, male/female, etc., had Zero Authority Seperating Lindsey Baum from her Brother, Josh Baum on their way to their Friends House? No Phone to the Mother! Find Mysterious Witness & Solve the Case.
Considering the Fact that “WAYNE SCOTT WATNE” Lives right around the Corner from the Baum Residence, tells me he’s the Guy!!
Coments To; (253) 831-8429

Hi Northern Rose,
I saw this one too. Have you seen this one?

CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD Says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
OPERATION FLUSHOUT SATINIC WORSHIPERS IN MCCLEARY:
POST: CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD:
MISSION STATEMENT; THE OCCULT HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[W]hen CCS got wind of the Occult in Mccleary, they went Ballistic! CCS’S Squad Leader, ‘Stronghold went straight to the Word. Just what does the Word have to say on this Issue? Simply this! “GOOD always Prevails over Evil.” In other Words, Step aside Satin, Stronghold Suited up & put on the “whole Suit of Armor! Stronghold Loves going Toe to Toe with the Occult, & just how Cold is this CCS/Strongtower when dealing with the Occult? They/He is soooooooooooooooooooooo dang Cold!! Contact Strongtower at polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com GOD BLESS’


polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424



DD has my interest piqued! Why does he put certain letters in parenthesis? Notice the W?

I don't know ::MonkeyConfused:: his myspace page is weird too, lots of CAPS them none ::MonkeyBike::
To me it seems that he used [] to distinguish where the message starts as opposed to the preamble/header/infomercial.  Could be he cuts and pastes the headers after he types the message and the brackets are a visual for him to place them.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 12:20:16 AM
This ROnald l. BAskett (which I think with the letters capitolized is sending some message, maybe registered offender = RO?) Anyway, I find it sort of strange for a sex offender to be out to find sex offenders or kidnapped victims. What is up with this guy? Who is this? 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 12:26:59 AM
I spent over an hour trying to figure this out but am just too tired to think straight.  It's probably something you smart monkeys knew from the get-go anyway.  I was searching at www.ussearch.com and saw this:

      Melissa Baum  Melissa C Baum  Melissa Pierpiont  Melissa Pierpoint  Melissa C Pierpoint  Melissa Carol Pierpoint       38  37  36                   Mccleary, WA  Union City, TN  Olympia, WA  Lacey, WA  Martin, TN  Sharon, TN  Tumwater, WA  Tacoma, WA  Greenfield, TN       Gregory Scott Baum  Joshua S Baum  Tena Weyland Baum

Relatives are in bold.  Tena Baum? 
must be a relative of her ex? I think I read he is from WA as is MB?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 12:30:42 AM
From USsearch 
http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?
Tena W Baum
Tena Adcock
 
Tena Baum
 
Tena Weyland Baum
 
Tena Weyland
  39
      Copperas Cove, TX
 
Sanford, NC
 
Tooele, UT
 
Lacey, WA
 
Killeen, TX
  Gregory Scott Baum
 
Melissa Carol Baum
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 12:30:53 AM
to save on the quote stakc the address he gave in the message was:

polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424

I found:
TOTAL FREIGHT LOGISTICS INTERNATIONAL
5303 PACIFIC HWY E
FIFE, WA  98424-2601   

Is he a trucker as well?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 12:33:37 AM
to save on the quote stakc the address he gave in the message was:

polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424

I found:
TOTAL FREIGHT LOGISTICS INTERNATIONAL
5303 PACIFIC HWY E
FIFE, WA  98424-2601   

Is he a trucker as well?

Ok nevermind, there is a USPS mailbox location at that same address. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:34:32 AM
to save on the quote stakc the address he gave in the message was:

polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com
http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com
5303 PACIFIC HWY E.
PO BOX 159
FIFE, WA 98424

I found:
TOTAL FREIGHT LOGISTICS INTERNATIONAL
5303 PACIFIC HWY E
FIFE, WA  98424-2601   

Is he a trucker as well?

Could be, nothing would surrise me anymore in any case ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 12:47:35 AM
Here he is again:

Updated Sep 22, 2009 - 8:54 am
Man admits to molesting hundreds of kids

Parents at a Lynnwood public pool are keeping a closer eye on their kids after a man admitted to molesting more than a hundred kids over several years.

Police arrested the 40-year old man for rubbing himself against two young girls at the Lynnwood Recreation center on Sunday. The man drove away when the mother of one of the children confronted him, but not before bystanders got his car's license number.

After his arrest he apparently told police he's done the same thing to as many as a hundred other children. He also told police he's been arrested before at other swimming areas. He is now being held on $300,000 bail and is facing charges of molesting two girls, ages 9 and 12.

Police believe there could be dozens of other victims over the years that never came forward.

Comments (11)

STRONGHOLD wrote...
OPERATION SHOULDN'T MESS WITH GODS CHILDREN
ATTENTION LYNNWOOD RESIDENTS: POST; CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD: SUBJECT; LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE: CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD HAS TURNED THEIR ATTENTION TO LYNNWOOD, & NICOLE PIETZ. CONTACT CCS FOR REWARD $ REGARDING NICOLE PIETZ AT polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com -thepetitionspot.com-Just how Cold is this Cold Casw Squad when dealing with Preditors? They are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dang cold!!!! Don't mess with God's little ones, shouldn't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 22, 2009 11:23 am
89620
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http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=215622&page=0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 12:53:55 AM
"HER ESTRANGED FROM THE WOMB PREDITOR" This is how he describes the person who took Lindsey on one of his photos. Is there something telling in that description, or has all this talk of encrypted codes, conspiracy theories and the like rubbing off on me? I think there is something telling. You can throw nanners, lol!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 12:55:35 AM
Thanks for the links Island! Have you read the comments with the photos?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 12:58:14 AM
by OPERATION FIND NANCY MOYE September 16, 2009 2:33 AM EDT
[OPERATION FIND NANCY MOYER] IS NOW COMMENCING: When BPU/BEHAVIORAL PROFILING UNIT Saw the Possibility of the Case Going Cold, they Inacted & Activated their CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD. CCS is Commited to finding Nancy Moyer, & is asking Nancy Moyers Sister, Sharon Wilber to Contact CCS at (253) 831-8429-polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com-Lindsey Baum at www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com-5303 Pacific Hwy E. PO Box 159 Fife, WA 98424:: Did you know that the Self-styled, Traveling Preacher, Missionary "WAYNE SCOTT WATNE" once Lived in Tenino? This is sooooooooo Dang Weird! WAYNE SCOTT WATNE is being 'Profiled in Connection with the Abduction of Lindsey Baum, & is now being 'Profiled in Connection with Nancy Moyer's Abduction. By the way, WAYNE SCOTT WATNE refused to take a Polygraph in Connection with the Lindsey Baum Case. CCS has seen this before, & while Operating as "INVESTIGATIONS-R-US" in 1985, & while Tracking the GREEN RIVER KILLER, Gary Leon Ridgway, Ridgway too Refused to Poly!! Check this out; Innocent People could care less about taking a Poly. Did you also know that a Polygraph Test in & of itself is Reliable? Why do you thing that once a 'Suspect has Passed a Poly, the LE won't look any further at that Person. The True Descrepency in a Poly, Lies with the Administrator of the Test. For Example; in 1982, Ridgway was Arrested for the Solicitation of Prostition, & get this, when he was given a Poly, he Passed: Here is the Reason Rigdway Passed his Poly, & Continued Killing. The Poly-administrator 'never asked Ridgway about his Involvement with 1 Dead Victim, & another Chocked Woman that Managed to Elude Ridgway. How Quaint; Where did the Poly-administrator get his Poly-license. "Out of a Cracker Jax Box?" Another By-the-way, Mr. Administrator, CCS would Especially like to talk to you about your 'TACTICAL ERROR that Cost the Lives of Countless Women. And did you know, Mr, Administrator, that GOD holds us to the Highest Degree of Accountability when making Business & Professional Decisions? Especially when other Lives are at Stake, 'Case in Point, I'de be Afraid to be put in your Shoes on the White Throne Judgment Day. Your going to held to the Highest Degree of Accountability, & Guess what? Your Burnt!!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/25/earlyshow/main4891804.shtml


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:59:02 AM
Thanks for the links Island! Have you read the comments with the photos?

Yes, I posted few last night..........weid bird for sure, but read over yonder FBI, LE knows about this whacko and he has inserted hiself into many cases which just looking at the photobucket would tell anyone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 01:02:34 AM
written by OPERATION FLUSHOUT LINDSEY BAUMS PREDITOR, 12:39:46 am MST

WHAT? WAYNE SCOTT WATNE DID WHAT?  Refused to Poly. And Blow the chance that he had been given to Exonerate his name. Wayne Wayne Wayne, whatever were you not thinking? When BPU/Behavioral Profiling Unit got wind of this, they were left with no other choice but to Activate & Deploy their CCS/Cold Case Squad. Just how Cold is this Cold Case Squad?  They are soooooooooooooooooooooooooo cold! They Love to Detain Preditors the way a Sailor Loves his Rum. (direct quote from 'captain ron).Contact Dna/Bpu/Ccs at (253) \n This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> 831-8429-polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it for Details on Reward $ Concerning the Lindsey Baum Case. CCS will call ahead to the Green River Killer, Gary Leon Ridgway, & the Spokane Serial Killer, Rober Lee Yates in PC/Protective Custody at Walla Walla., & Remind then not to leave the Lights on for you! PC is sooooooooo dang weird!! lindsey baum at http://www.greenriverkillerinductivestudy.com

http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=946&catid=37:united-states&Itemid=129


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 01:03:54 AM
Thanks for the links Island! Have you read the comments with the photos?

Yes, I posted few last night..........weid bird for sure, but read over yonder FBI, LE knows about this whacko and he has inserted hiself into many cases which just looking at the photobucket would tell anyone.

He sure has his ray guns pointed at WW.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 06, 2009, 01:06:29 AM
STRONGTOWER said...
OPERATION BUSTOUT/FLUSHOUT/KNOCKOUT/LOOKOUT/WATCHOUT & DG/D.GOLDER/YOUROUT HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 101; EARLY WILL I DESTROY ALL THE EVIL OF THE LAND:
TOPIC FOR TODAY; MCCLEARY RESIDENTS, YOUV'E GOT A 'LOADED CANNON ON DECK' AT THE BEE-HIVE RETIREMENT CENTER ON 4TH & MAPLE. DRIVES A WHITE CAR, LIVES AT MOX & FOREMAN RD. STRONGTOWER HAS A RECEIPT OF THE SEARCH WARENT RESULTS, & QUITE FRANKLY, D. golder., turn yourself in now to LE, or run the Risk of Dealing with Strongtower. Strongtower's having a Mood Swing, & just what happen's when Strongtower's Mood Cycles? Well. Door's get Kicked in, Cages get Rattled, Teeth start Flying, etc.. Contact Strongtower ap polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com for Reward $ Info! GOD BLESS

October 1, 2009 4:25 PM

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-is-lindsey-baum-police-fbi-search.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 01:50:35 AM
STRONGTOWER said...
OPERATION BUSTOUT/FLUSHOUT/KNOCKOUT/LOOKOUT/WATCHOUT & DG/D.GOLDER/YOUROUT HAS NOW COMMENCED:
POST: STRONGTOWER:
MISSION STATEMENT: PSALM 101; EARLY WILL I DESTROY ALL THE EVIL OF THE LAND:
TOPIC FOR TODAY; MCCLEARY RESIDENTS, YOUV'E GOT A 'LOADED CANNON ON DECK' AT THE BEE-HIVE RETIREMENT CENTER ON 4TH & MAPLE. DRIVES A WHITE CAR, LIVES AT MOX & FOREMAN RD. STRONGTOWER HAS A RECEIPT OF THE SEARCH WARENT RESULTS, & QUITE FRANKLY, D. golder., turn yourself in now to LE, or run the Risk of Dealing with Strongtower. Strongtower's having a Mood Swing, & just what happen's when Strongtower's Mood Cycles? Well. Door's get Kicked in, Cages get Rattled, Teeth start Flying, etc.. Contact Strongtower ap polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com for Reward $ Info! GOD BLESS

October 1, 2009 4:25 PM

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-is-lindsey-baum-police-fbi-search.html
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Hi Northern Rose!
I just don't get this guys agenda. I also wonder if any of the families of missing children have ever actually given him a call out of sheer desperation. He posted some really scary ones about cutting DG up, did you read those?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 01:59:45 AM
written by OPERATION FLUSHOUT LINDSEY BAUMS PREDITOR, 10:02:57 pm MST

OPERATION ENOUGH IS ENOUGH:
POST: CCS/COLD CASE SQUAD:
MISSION STATEMENT; CCS WILL NEVER LET LINDSEY BAUM'S CASE GROW COLD:  WITH ALL THE SEARCH WARRENTS SERVED ON FRIDAY NIGHT, MAYBE SOMETHING WILL BREAK LOSE.  CCS JUST LEARNED THAT JAMES MULLIN IS A S/O, & IS ADDRESSED ON 6TH STREET. THE SAME STREET LINDSEY BAUM TRAVELED HOME ON. JIM MULLINS/JIM MULLINS CREEK, your being 'Profiled in Connection with Lindsey Baums Abduction. How does that work for you? Contact CCS at \n This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> polymarkerdqa1@yahoo.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it Mark Duncan & Jim Mullin, CCS would Especially like to hear from you: (253) 831-8429; That is, of course, if you've got the Sac!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 02:13:11 AM

Quote

AZSunny

Have you every put the sour cream in the cupboard instead of the fridge?  I did last week and ... hubby discovered it today.  As my grandkids would say ...  YUUUUKY.  I threatened once again to call a meeting with the grown kids to discuss my plight.  I told him that they can send me wherever as long as my computer can come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well ... a Scrabble game awaits.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:10 PM PT



Crack me up Tamikosom,  That was just too funny for words   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 06, 2009, 04:44:22 AM

Quote

AZSunny

Have you every put the sour cream in the cupboard instead of the fridge?  I did last week and ... hubby discovered it today.  As my grandkids would say ...  YUUUUKY.  I threatened once again to call a meeting with the grown kids to discuss my plight.  I told him that they can send me wherever as long as my computer can come.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well ... a Scrabble game awaits.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
8:10 PM PT



Crack me up Tamikosom,  That was just too funny for words   ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is so funny....never stored the sour cream, but remind me to tell you the story of the beans someday!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 06, 2009, 09:41:15 AM
 I'm sitting here reading STRONGTOWER's comments, I'm not sure what to think, he could be nuts, but just because he is nuts doesn't mean he doesn't know something  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 10:03:56 AM

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Morning monkeys! 

I thought it was a 'Denise Dubois' posting on DG's myspace?  I could be wrong, will have to check back on that. 

But it just occured to me....  Dubois??   ::MonkeyEek:: 

As in Amber Dubois, the missing girl from California?  Escondido, I think. 

IIRC, Amber's aunt came to help search for Lindsey, isn't that right?   Wonder if she lives in the area?  Wouldn't it be something if these Dubois families are related!! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 06, 2009, 10:09:27 AM

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Morning monkeys! 

I thought it was a 'Denise Dubois' posting on DG's myspace?  I could be wrong, will have to check back on that. 

But it just occured to me....  Dubois??   ::MonkeyEek:: 

As in Amber Dubois, the missing girl from California?  Escondido, I think. 

IIRC, Amber's aunt came to help search for Lindsey, isn't that right?   Wonder if she lives in the area?  Wouldn't it be something if these Dubois families are related!! 

That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the name Dubois, and wondered if there was a connection.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 10:19:25 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 10:20:58 AM
Morning NoRose! 

It would make for an interesting connection, if there is one. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 10:33:43 AM
I made a new thread for the 'Cryptic Code Man', to bring those posts to.  Then we can more easily see and discuss them.  We're starting to get repeated posts in here when finding these all over the net. 

Could we get a mod or someone to help in pulling the posts from yesterday and the day before, into that thead?  Am gonna try it myself, so might need cleanup in aisle 12. ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 06, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Your welcome, and I do see very much what you are talking about making fun of us esp. WS. I almost made a comment over there yesterday, but decided against it. You know I really don't know what is happening with this Golder family, I really don't, but if Tena didn't think for a second that people were going to dig up info on her husband, you have to wonder what is wrong with her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 06, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 10:55:46 AM

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Morning monkeys! 

I thought it was a 'Denise Dubois' posting on DG's myspace?  I could be wrong, will have to check back on that. 

But it just occured to me....  Dubois??   ::MonkeyEek:: 

As in Amber Dubois, the missing girl from California?  Escondido, I think. 

IIRC, Amber's aunt came to help search for Lindsey, isn't that right?   Wonder if she lives in the area?  Wouldn't it be something if these Dubois families are related!! 

That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the name Dubois, and wondered if there was a connection.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 11:00:21 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Your welcome, and I do see very much what you are talking about making fun of us esp. WS. I almost made a comment over there yesterday, but decided against it. You know I really don't know what is happening with this Golder family, I really don't, but if Tena didn't think for a second that people were going to dig up info on her husband, you have to wonder what is wrong with her.

Yep.  For the most part out on the net, we've been made out to be a part of her theories, opinions, research, etc.  And being ridiculed for that.  When in reality, we still don't even know what her theories etc are.  IMO, we've simply been monkeys being kind and respectful monkeys of another monkey, and giving her the benefit of the doubt.  I'd much rather that if she has info/research and etc, and doesn't want to/won't/cannot share it, that she keep whatever it is or isn't, totally seperate over there in her forum, without mention or linkups to it, over here.  We know where she is, and can go there if/when anyone wants to.  kwim? 

As for WS, I opened just one thread, and saw a relaxing toward us, even a sympathetic understanding of 'those next door', sending kudos and such.  Have even felt a spirit of comradery, in the sense of sharing info they've found with us, and giving credit where due and thanks when they get something from us.  In just one day, and just one thread, it feels much different, much better.  As for IS, dunno that they've caught on yet to what has happened.  And the thing is, most would agree that in any of these forums, our one main goal is to help find Lindsey, and bring her home. 
   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 06, 2009, 11:03:53 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Your welcome, and I do see very much what you are talking about making fun of us esp. WS. I almost made a comment over there yesterday, but decided against it. You know I really don't know what is happening with this Golder family, I really don't, but if Tena didn't think for a second that people were going to dig up info on her husband, you have to wonder what is wrong with her.

Yep.  For the most part out on the net, we've been made out to be a part of her theories, opinions, research, etc.  And being ridiculed for that.  When in reality, we still don't even know what her theories etc are.  IMO, we've simply been monkeys being kind and respectful monkeys of another monkey, and giving her the benefit of the doubt.  I'd much rather that if she has info/research and etc, and doesn't want to/won't/cannot share it, that she keep whatever it is or isn't, totally seperate over there in her forum, without mention or linkups to it, over here.  We know where she is, and can go there if/when anyone wants to.  kwim? 

As for WS, I opened just one thread, and saw a relaxing toward us, even a sympathetic understanding of 'those next door', sending kudos and such.  Have even felt a spirit of comradery, in the sense of sharing info they've found with us, and giving credit where due and thanks when they get something from us.  In just one day, and just one thread, it feels much different, much better.  As for IS, dunno that they've caught on yet to what has happened.  And the thing is, most would agree that in any of these forums, our one main goal is to help find Lindsey, and bring her home. 
   
I'm glad there is a kinder, gentler feeling towards us today  ::MonkeyCool:: That should be the main goal for everyone, Lindsey  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 11:10:42 AM
Oooops sorry NoRose, I meant to add this.. lol

I totally agree with what you said about TG!

Seems to me that one of her intentions in joining all 3 forums, could have been to try running defense ahead of time for her family.   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 11:15:09 AM
I spent over an hour trying to figure this out but am just too tired to think straight.  It's probably something you smart monkeys knew from the get-go anyway.  I was searching at www.ussearch.com and saw this:

      Melissa Baum  Melissa C Baum  Melissa Pierpiont  Melissa Pierpoint  Melissa C Pierpoint  Melissa Carol Pierpoint       38  37  36                   Mccleary, WA  Union City, TN  Olympia, WA  Lacey, WA  Martin, TN  Sharon, TN  Tumwater, WA  Tacoma, WA  Greenfield, TN       Gregory Scott Baum  Joshua S Baum  Tena Weyland Baum

Relatives are in bold.  Tena Baum? 

Good Morning Monkeys!

Is Tena a common name?  I have never heard the name prior to the recent Lindsey Baum dialogue.

Considering KONA appeared to be implicating Melissa Baum in the disappearance of Lindsey in her posts and ... considering Dale Golder was apparently "obsessed" with the case and was stalking Melissa Baum ... could there be a connection somewhere between the Baum and Golder family?

Janet
8:15 AM PT

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[quote author=KarmaRoundUp link=topic=6192.msg971851#msg971851

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Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.

Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.

[/quote]


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 11:21:43 AM
NoRose, that 'kinder and gentler' feeling started yesterday, when we were 'in the moment' over here.  Someone over there noticed and mentioned it there. 

They also noticed when they were discussing something they had found first, that the info had found it's way over here, and there was some confusion about it here.  So they sent over some clarifying info to help dispel the confusion.  And mentioned that we're all in this together, teamwork.   ::MonkeyWink::

Feels much better than the giggles and pointing that's been going on before, everywhere. 



My youngest son just bought me every single season of 'Grey's Anatomy'.  Thanks to him, I won't be getting any sleep for the next year, trying to watch every episode.   Am thinking he wants me off the computer, whatcha think??   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've got a meeting this morning, will be back later.  (and nooooo am not watching G's A this morning.  lolol)




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
It has been discussed that Clifford may not be Dale's father.  Could it be that Tena has previously been married to a Baum?

Just speculating.  Could our researchers do their thing.  Please.

Janet

+++++


Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 11:25:20 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyKiss::


Hi Fanny!  Just saw ya as I'm heading out the door.  But I brought my shovel, will just leave it here for later when we're ready to git to work!  lol..

 ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


You brought a smile to my face with that yesterday.  Thanks my friend.   ::MonkeyKiss::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 06, 2009, 11:55:44 AM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyKiss::


Hi Fanny!  Just saw ya as I'm heading out the door.  But I brought my shovel, will just leave it here for later when we're ready to git to work!  lol..

 ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


You brought a smile to my face with that yesterday.  Thanks my friend.   ::MonkeyKiss::



(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/boywave.gif)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 12:24:45 PM
NoRose, that 'kinder and gentler' feeling started yesterday, when we were 'in the moment' over here.  Someone over there noticed and mentioned it there. 

They also noticed when they were discussing something they had found first, that the info had found it's way over here, and there was some confusion about it here.  So they sent over some clarifying info to help dispel the confusion.  And mentioned that we're all in this together, teamwork.   ::MonkeyWink::

Feels much better than the giggles and pointing that's been going on before, everywhere. 



My youngest son just bought me every single season of 'Grey's Anatomy'.  Thanks to him, I won't be getting any sleep for the next year, trying to watch every episode.   Am thinking he wants me off the computer, whatcha think??   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've got a meeting this morning, will be back later.  (and nooooo am not watching G's A this morning.  lolol)





Hi Wyks,  I thought you did GOOD yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::  And I read the post you are refering to about so many brilliant or top-notch posters on both forums working together {can't remember the exact verbage}, and it was good to read that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
Thanks to all who were supportive and kind yesterday.   ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyAngel:: Wyks~you only stated what everyone else was thinking and wanted to say, you just did it in a very diplomatic way (which obviously isn't my strong suit) ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
Monkeys

While cleaning up around the house this morning ... I have not been able to get the name "Tena" out of my mind.  It is Canadian Thanksgiving this weeking ... so I now going to do a $200.00 grocery shopping so that I can get that Turkey for free.  Does that make any sense?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Anyways ... when I return I am really hoping there will be some input posted regarding this topic.

Janet

+++++++

I spent over an hour trying to figure this out but am just too tired to think straight.  It's probably something you smart monkeys knew from the get-go anyway.  I was searching at www.ussearch.com and saw this:

      Melissa Baum  Melissa C Baum  Melissa Pierpiont  Melissa Pierpoint  Melissa C Pierpoint  Melissa Carol Pierpoint       38  37  36                   Mccleary, WA  Union City, TN  Olympia, WA  Lacey, WA  Martin, TN  Sharon, TN  Tumwater, WA  Tacoma, WA  Greenfield, TN       Gregory Scott Baum  Joshua S Baum  Tena Weyland Baum

Relatives are in bold.  Tena Baum? 

Great catch Donuts!!

Is Tena a common name?  I have never heard the name prior to the recent Lindsey Baum dialogue.

Considering KONA appeared to be implicating Melissa Baum in the disappearance of Lindsey in her posts and ... considering Dale Golder was apparently "obsessed" with the case and was stalking Melissa Baum ... could there be a connection somewhere between the Baum and Golder family?

Could it be that Tena has previously been married to a Baum?  According to records ... Tena and Clifford were married in 1983.

Just speculating.  Could our researchers do their thing.  Please.

Janet

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Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.




Wyks
Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
« Reply #187 on: Today at 01:59:52 AM »


Marriage Records:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.180




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 01:36:58 PM

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Morning monkeys! 

I thought it was a 'Denise Dubois' posting on DG's myspace?  I could be wrong, will have to check back on that. 

But it just occured to me....  Dubois??   ::MonkeyEek:: 

As in Amber Dubois, the missing girl from California?  Escondido, I think. 

IIRC, Amber's aunt came to help search for Lindsey, isn't that right?   Wonder if she lives in the area?  Wouldn't it be something if these Dubois families are related!! 


Hi,
I am friends with Carrie, Amber's mom. I am trying to reach her to see if this Dubois is related to her ex-husband Maurice. I don't think so, as she never mentioned a relative in McCleary on either her side or his side, but I will double check. The aunt that came to search is actually a very close family friend and I don't think she lives in McCleary but somewhere else close by.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
Some more thoughts regarding my last post and ... then I am out the door.

IF there is a Baum/Golder connection ...

1.  Could it be that Tena (KONA) and her son were persuing a mission on behalf of a family member ... a forumer family member ... to put pressure on Melissa Baum to reveal aspects of her daughter's disappearance that she has kept to herself and ... to also put the focus of suspicion on Melissa Baum via the forums?

2.  Could the mission be what is behind the reason that KONA was the initiator of the Harry Oakes search ... a search apparently Melissa Baum would not authorize.

3.  Could it be that in the process of the mission ... KONA and her son brought unwanted attenion onto themselves and ... ultimately led to suspicion by the LE?

4.  Could it be that all of KONA's efforts were derived from a sincere desire for the truth to pervail in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

5.  Could it be that Tamikosmom could use some fresh air on this beautifull Autumn's day?

I am gone.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
SELF-EDIT

a forumer family member S/B a former family member


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 02:33:47 PM

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Morning monkeys! 

I thought it was a 'Denise Dubois' posting on DG's myspace?  I could be wrong, will have to check back on that. 

But it just occured to me....  Dubois??   ::MonkeyEek:: 

As in Amber Dubois, the missing girl from California?  Escondido, I think. 

IIRC, Amber's aunt came to help search for Lindsey, isn't that right?   Wonder if she lives in the area?  Wouldn't it be something if these Dubois families are related!! 


Hi,
I am friends with Carrie, Amber's mom. I am trying to reach her to see if this Dubois is related to her ex-husband Maurice. I don't think so, as she never mentioned a relative in McCleary on either her side or his side, but I will double check. The aunt that came to search is actually a very close family friend and I don't think she lives in McCleary but somewhere else close by.

Glad you saw the message I sent to you on Ambers thread. I thought I would just throw it out there for you all to decide. The name comes up in 2 missing persons cases and you just never know, then the wolves and all. Probably nothing but again you never know. I think of Amber everyday, prayers she is brought home soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 06, 2009, 02:34:12 PM
Some more thoughts regarding my last post and ... then I am out the door.

IF there is a Baum/Golder connection ...

1.  Could it be that Tena (KONA) and her son were persuing a mission on behalf of a family member ... a forumer family member ... to put pressure on Melissa Baum to reveal aspects of her daughter's disappearance that she has kept to herself and ... to also put the focus of suspicion on Melissa Baum via the forums?

2.  Could the mission be what is behind the reason that KONA was the initiator of the Harry Oakes search ... a search apparently Melissa Baum would not authorize.

3.  Could it be that in the process of the mission ... KONA and her son brought unwanted attenion onto themselves and ... ultimately led to suspicion by the LE?

4.  Could it be that all of KONA's efforts were derived from a sincere desire for the truth to pervail in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

5.  Could it be that Tamikosmom could use some fresh air on this beautifull Autumn's day?

I am gone.

Janet


i like where you are going with this janet..i think its possible you are onto something. i also dont think the name Tena is very common (especially the spelling)...my only issue with this, is that i thought scott baum was from tennessee and the name baum i would think comes from lb's father's side, i could be wrong tho


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 02:34:58 PM
oh gosh sebastian that was you that left that message, lol. I thought it was someone else. Sorry!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 02:35:13 PM
Some more thoughts regarding my last post and ... then I am out the door.

IF there is a Baum/Golder connection ...

1.  Could it be that Tena (KONA) and her son were persuing a mission on behalf of a family member ... a forumer family member ... to put pressure on Melissa Baum to reveal aspects of her daughter's disappearance that she has kept to herself and ... to also put the focus of suspicion on Melissa Baum via the forums?

2.  Could the mission be what is behind the reason that KONA was the initiator of the Harry Oakes search ... a search apparently Melissa Baum would not authorize.

3.  Could it be that in the process of the mission ... KONA and her son brought unwanted attenion onto themselves and ... ultimately led to suspicion by the LE?

4.  Could it be that all of KONA's efforts were derived from a sincere desire for the truth to pervail in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

5.  Could it be that Tamikosmom could use some fresh air on this beautifull Autumn's day?

I am gone.

Janet


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Janet - my vote is #5!

I am at work right now (shhhh!), but when I get home later I will be looking into the Golder/Vaugh/Baum possible connection.

Enjoy your day!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 02:37:31 PM
I keep thinking about DD's comment as to not putting a witness in harms's way which I took to be something she had learned from TG.  Aside from Tena's sister mentioned here, does TG have any other relatives like this living in McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 06, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
i also think its significant that HO specifically said something about the beer bottles in his dog report. why say this? maybe there is more to it. i'm sure there were tons of beer bottles out in the woods. i really think there is something more to this.

i think its great that we are looking into the golders. how could we not? especially after reading the affidavit of probable cause. my gut tells me they are not involved. i still think kk's discrepencies, her son's injury and bad stitch job, and mb's hesitance to even talk to HO or tim miller and some other things need to continue to be looked at, although everytime i look at those my head spins out of control!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 06, 2009, 02:40:45 PM
I keep thinking about DD's comment as to not putting a witness in harms's way which I took to be something she had learned from TG.  Aside from Tena's sister mentioned here, does TG have any other relatives like this living in McCleary?

i could be wrong, but maybe DD was talking about the fact that she had TG checking into things for her in McCleary and maybe TG had seen something or told DD some information that DD believes could lead to what happened. I'm not sure tho.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on October 06, 2009, 02:43:33 PM
Hi all!  i usually sit in the corner (and my hubby would tell me i should mind my own business and stay in the corner right about now lol)...but I have to go out on a limb here and stand in DD's corner in regards to the Golders involvement in lindsey's disappearance, and that time is running out and Lindsey needs to be found NOW, winter is coming !
(!I am not a local,, nor do I know any locals, including the Golders  I have merely  followed this case online from day one.  An example I could give is  if DG's car had any evidence in it , he would NOT have it back already. Trust that I  know that,  at least where I live..
IMO, I  think the Goldera are just collateral damage, nothing to do with Lindsey. Just like some other people that have been 'looked at'. Yes there's a lot of problems in mccleary. As there is in Everytown USA. Were not here for that...

It is  A diversion from the truth.
By whom? I dunno.. LE? Hmmm.  Or..
Parents...of kids?
Kids who do know something or worse yet, were involved. (I also think someone older with authority was involved, but will keep that to myself right now lol)
I'm focused on  the kids/teens right now.  I can't decide if she went with her/him /them willingly at first or not, but I lean toward yes at first, then it quickly turned to 'not so much'...Either way, something bad happened, in the woods, or on someones land, near the woods, either  accidental or planned,  and she is no longer with us.
And those kids aren't talking outside the witness group... Yet. Or are they?
Ya know, when it cones to interrogating minors. LE has to cross all T's and dot all I's. LE isn't going to advertise info about minors, they probably can't, legally...
But someone like DD... She doesn't have T's or I's to watch.
And she certainly couldnt tell us about it if she did, comprende?:-)
I'm just sayin'...


i agree with you completely. especially the bolded part.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 02:48:30 PM
oh gosh sebastian that was you that left that message, lol. I thought it was someone else. Sorry!

Hi TG!
I saw what you had put on Amber's board. I left a message for Carrie to see if she has seen it. Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 02:51:26 PM
I keep thinking about DD's comment as to not putting a witness in harms's way which I took to be something she had learned from TG.  Aside from Tena's sister mentioned here, does TG have any other relatives like this living in McCleary?

i could be wrong, but maybe DD was talking about the fact that she had TG checking into things for her in McCleary and maybe TG had seen something or told DD some information that DD believes could lead to what happened. I'm not sure tho.

Yes Sunshine, that could well be it because DD used the word 'witness'.  We have never learned which neighbor spotted Lindsey and I think there has to be a reason for that.  Why has it been kept so hush hush?  It was not mentioned in the Affidavit that I remember even tho that was an important part of the investigation I would think.  Could that person have been threatened by someone involved in the abduction?

And then the cryptic and utter nut from butternut mentioned in one of his writings that the person who told JB to go back home had info relating to who the abductor was, or SS.  Just puzzling IMO  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 03:00:01 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

When I read that name I immediately thought of Alice Cooper the rock star and also thought it could be a 'my name is Sue' kind of a thing from good 'ole Hank Jr.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 03:12:51 PM
I keep thinking about DD's comment as to not putting a witness in harms's way which I took to be something she had learned from TG.  Aside from Tena's sister mentioned here, does TG have any other relatives like this living in McCleary?

i could be wrong, but maybe DD was talking about the fact that she had TG checking into things for her in McCleary and maybe TG had seen something or told DD some information that DD believes could lead to what happened. I'm not sure tho.

Yes Sunshine, that could well be it because DD used the word 'witness'.  We have never learned which neighbor spotted Lindsey and I think there has to be a reason for that.  Why has it been kept so hush hush?  It was not mentioned in the Affidavit that I remember even tho that was an important part of the investigation I would think.  Could that person have been threatened by someone involved in the abduction?

And then the cryptic and utter nut from butternut mentioned in one of his writings that the person who told JB to go back home had info relating to who the abductor was, or SS.  Just puzzling IMO  xox

The name I was told was not Tena Golder, the name began with an R. It was a person that worked with MB at one time. I do not recall the name though. MM when on here said the same thing, it started with an R


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 03:15:55 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

When I read that name I immediately thought of Alice Cooper the rock star and also thought it could be a 'my name is Sue' kind of a thing from good 'ole Hank Jr.

Me too Scandi, either that or someone posing as a woman maybe. Have you looked at the other "alice Walters" websites? I posted I think 4 links to others that seemed a hinky to me 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 06, 2009, 03:24:50 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

I wish I could remember where I read that, but it was on a board somewhere. (yea, that helps....NOT)  Sorry my mind captures what it wants to remember lately, and the rest seems to go to lala land.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
I think I recall a post that someone suggested maybe it was a locals band's name, does that sound right?

My memory is not the best, I think it is just full, lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 04:08:26 PM
Bring this post forward as a refresher on Alice Walters....it is from doubledecker

Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #241 on: September 04, 2009, 10:30:49 AM » 

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doubledecker said:


thought I better come over here and clear this up if I can. 

okay I really thought that photo was on the alice walters myspace.  However, jenniferO posted over on another board there was no picture on alice walters myspace.  So... where did I see that photo then?  I know I saw it on one of the kids' myspaces.  ugh.  but where and who?

and now although there might have never been a photo attached to alice walters, we still have a problem with this which needs to be looked at, because NO ONE knows who this alice walters person is, and lindsey is the SOLE friend on alice walter page.  The timing is also very strange. 

I asked MB if she knew this person... answer NO.  she asked the kids if they knew who alice walters is, answer NO, so who is this person who signed up on june 8th, became a "friend" to LINDSEY ONLY, then last logged in on june 28th, two days after lindsey goes missing.  you will also see they sent lindsey a message saying they "wanted to play" whatever that game is at the bottom of lindsey's myspace.  Why is it, this person signed up for myspace, put some things on myspace to set it up, became lindsey's friend, (and NO ONE else's friend, not even family nor anyone), sends lindsey a message, then poof they are gone.  what was the point in the whole myspace account.  And how do you just randomly find lindsey baum on the net to become ONLY LINDSEY'S friend, then you poof two days after lindsey is missing.  And the weird thing about it, NO ONE knows who you are... someone really needs to figure out who this person is. 

now sorry, I had people looking for a photo that might not have been on there ugh... boo on me... but I am still looking for that photo.  I remember it well, and it has to be on one of those kids' myspaces.  it is the only "friend" I never got a chance to figure out who they were, and it was an older woman in front of a white van or suv.  I could swear it was on alice walters, but guess it wasn't.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.240


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 06, 2009, 04:08:28 PM
I think I recall a post that someone suggested maybe it was a locals band's name, does that sound right?

My memory is not the best, I think it is just full, lol.

Yes,  that is what I remember.  I don't know if it were a fact, or a suggestion.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 04:10:33 PM
I meant "bringing" above - sorry.

Still hunting for more info on Alice Walters....brb


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 06, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 06, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
i also think its significant that HO specifically said something about the beer bottles in his dog report. why say this? maybe there is more to it. i'm sure there were tons of beer bottles out in the woods. i really think there is something more to this.

i think its great that we are looking into the golders. how could we not? especially after reading the affidavit of probable cause. my gut tells me they are not involved. i still think kk's discrepencies, her son's injury and bad stitch job, and mb's hesitance to even talk to HO or tim miller and some other things need to continue to be looked at, although everytime i look at those my head spins out of control!
I agree, and I know that I'm still looking at KK, and Melissa Baum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 04:26:37 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

I have yet to see an answer as to where Melissa B worked. It has been asked many times, but I have never seen an answer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 04:27:23 PM
I think I recall a post that someone suggested maybe it was a locals band's name, does that sound right?

My memory is not the best, I think it is just full, lol.

Yes,  that is what I remember.  I don't know if it were a fact, or a suggestion.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it might have been Island who said it and it was just a suggestion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 04:27:35 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

It is a call center outside of McCleary, pretty sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 06, 2009, 04:28:34 PM
i also think its significant that HO specifically said something about the beer bottles in his dog report. why say this? maybe there is more to it. i'm sure there were tons of beer bottles out in the woods. i really think there is something more to this.

i think its great that we are looking into the golders. how could we not? especially after reading the affidavit of probable cause. my gut tells me they are not involved. i still think kk's discrepencies, her son's injury and bad stitch job, and mb's hesitance to even talk to HO or tim miller and some other things need to continue to be looked at, although everytime i look at those my head spins out of control!
I agree, and I know that I'm still looking at KK, and Melissa Baum.

I am on the branch with you.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 06, 2009, 04:29:28 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

It is a call center outside of McCleary, pretty sure.

Thank you. I don't think I have ever heard that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 04:41:12 PM
I was wondering if we should check out some of the SO's in Elma. It seems that many people who live in McCleary have relatives in Elma and vice versa. It also seems like people who have lived in McCleary have also lived in Elma and vice versa. Add to this the fact that kids in McCleary go to Elma for school, don't they? There are a lot more SO's in Elma than McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 04:43:53 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

When I read that name I immediately thought of Alice Cooper the rock star and also thought it could be a 'my name is Sue' kind of a thing from good 'ole Hank Jr.

Me too Scandi, either that or someone posing as a woman maybe. Have you looked at the other "alice Walters" websites? I posted I think 4 links to others that seemed a hinky to me 

No, I will have to go find and read them tonight.  I remember as early as July 6th one of our old time posters over yonder picked up on Alice Walters and posted about why she couldn't get it out of her mind.  I'll go read that tonight too.  xox

PS:  How is your hubby?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 04:43:57 PM
That crazy poster guy, how long has been after WW? anyone know? When was the first post he did on him?

Leroy thank you for posting the comment from DD. See this Alice Walters is strange for sure but what is more strange is on myspace you see a couple of account with no pic, or one has a pic of a cat, a black one at that, then the age is 18. What I also find strange is Lindsey used another name and not the normal "disturbed" name which leads me to believe it was a secret.

Here are the myspace's that bother me. There are a ton of Alice's,http://www.myspace.com/458423135
http://www.myspace.com/496569693 (This one shows 4 different young girls as friends)
http://www.myspace.com/480197876 (this one is with Lindseys)
http://www.myspace.com/d343434
http://www.myspace.com/466873420 (not sure about this one, it is stated she is 73.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 04:48:10 PM
That crazy poster guy, how long has been after WW? anyone know? When was the first post he did on him?

Leroy thank you for posting the comment from DD. See this Alice Walters is strange for sure but what is more strange is on myspace you see a couple of account with no pic, or one has a pic of a cat, a black one at that, then the age is 18. What I also find strange is Lindsey used another name and not the normal "disturbed" name which leads me to believe it was a secret.

Here are the myspace's that bother me. There are a ton of Alice's,http://www.myspace.com/458423135
http://www.myspace.com/496569693 (This one shows 4 different young girls as friends)
http://www.myspace.com/480197876 (this one is with Lindseys)
http://www.myspace.com/d343434
http://www.myspace.com/466873420 (not sure about this one, it is stated she is 73.

Thanks for that Tracygirl, I won't have to go searching tonight!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
Can a mod please fix the first link I posted to the myspace accounts? I messed up and didn't space right. Thank you

My husband is doing fine thank you for asking.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 04:52:22 PM
Forgot this one, it is the one with a "TM" on the name or pic 

http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 04:53:51 PM
That crazy poster guy, how long has been after WW? anyone know? When was the first post he did on him?

Leroy thank you for posting the comment from DD. See this Alice Walters is strange for sure but what is more strange is on myspace you see a couple of account with no pic, or one has a pic of a cat, a black one at that, then the age is 18. What I also find strange is Lindsey used another name and not the normal "disturbed" name which leads me to believe it was a secret.

Here are the myspace's that bother me. There are a ton of Alice's,http://www.myspace.com/458423135
http://www.myspace.com/496569693 (This one shows 4 different young girls as friends)
http://www.myspace.com/480197876 (this one is with Lindseys)
http://www.myspace.com/d343434
http://www.myspace.com/466873420 (not sure about this one, it is stated she is 73.

IIRC, on MySpace, if you list your age as being under 18 then it is automatically set for private.  That is why 18 is such a popular age for the younger kids who want everyone and anyone to see there page.  Maybe I should ask *Tom* and confirm   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I don think much of the one in PA or the one in MI.  Both of those pages seem to have "friends" in the same area. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 04:55:55 PM
It has been discussed that Clifford may not be Dale's father.  Could it be that Tena has previously been married to a Baum?

Just speculating.  Could our researchers do their thing.  Please.

Janet

+++++


Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Janet, am looking for any connection between Tena and the Baum's. 

Will post first what we have on Tena Golder, and then work on the other names.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
Forgot this one, it is the one with a "TM" on the name or pic 

http://www.myspace.com/from_autumn_to_ashes67

As in Trade Mark??  hmmm.

Thanks for posting all the myspace links.  Like Scandi said, wont have to go a hunt for them later.

Ok - I'm leaving the office so I will be back in a bit.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 05:05:27 PM

Tena Marie Golder


associated names:
Tena M Golder
Tina Golder
Tena Vaughn
Tena M Vaughn


age 45 - Apr 1964


149 Foreman Rd
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) 495-xxxx - a Land Line phone
has aerial map of home
3 Addresses in Mccleary, WA


cities/states:
Mccleary, WA 
Olympia, WA 
Phoenix, AZ 
Flagstaff, AZ      


possible relatives:
Adam D Golder 
Clifford Donald Golder - age 45 (also listed age 48)
Dale Allen Golder 
Dan Golder 
Don Golder
Donald Clifford Golder - age 45 (also listed age 48)
 

Tena and Clifford were married on May 6, 1983 at 12:00:00 AM
in Grays Harbor County, WA
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C


Myspace - set to private
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=68713598


Personal profiles:
Tena's nickname online
konamochalvr   Location: MCCLEARY, WASHINGTON


Genealogy forum:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/michaelis/messages/82.html
Re: charles c michaelis brn.1866
On October 19, 2007 at 17:03:36
Tena Golder wrote: This is from my aunt...
---------->>>> CLAUDIA JACOBSON (MICHAELIS) maiden
MY DADS NAME WAS MONROE MICHAELIS, HIS DADS NAME WAS CHARLES CHARLIE MICHAELIS, MARRIED TO MAE MONROE
THEY HAD FOUR CHILDERN,
ARTHUR, WILLIAM, VERNIE,(A GIRL) MONROE
MONROE MICHAELIS, ARTS WIFE WAS ANNA WILLAIMS
WIFES NAME WAS ROSE
VERNIE HUSBANDS NAME WAS DALE WORLEY, AND MONROE MICHAELIS WAS MARRIED TO LIBERTRY ELLEN SARA RUSSELL (MY MOTHER)
THEY ENDED UP IN SHELTON, WA WHERE I WAS BORN.

   
sources:
www.peoplefinders.com
www.ussearch.com
www.pipl.com
www.veromi.net


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 06, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

It is a call center outside of McCleary, pretty sure.
Worked at the dollar store in Elma, for MM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 06, 2009, 05:07:18 PM
I was wondering if we should check out some of the SO's in Elma. It seems that many people who live in McCleary have relatives in Elma and vice versa. It also seems like people who have lived in McCleary have also lived in Elma and vice versa. Add to this the fact that kids in McCleary go to Elma for school, don't they? There are a lot more SO's in Elma than McCleary.
McCleary kids only go to Elma for high school.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 05:07:29 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 06, 2009, 05:17:58 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 


Wyks, have performed several at the midnight hour.  The strangest to me are the 2 I did -- 1 at 7 a.m. and one at 8 a.m.  Now that to me was the strangest, course I am not a morning person.
 :smt015
 :sunny:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 05:34:30 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The witness siting is not a secret, the name starts with a R, (I can't recall the name, sorry) she is the same person what broke up the argument between Lindsey and Josh. She worked with MB, not sure if they still do work together and if this is the same person that helped drive MB around, I think MM said a co worker was helping her get to and from work.
I don't recall that witness's name ever being mentioned.Tracy,where did you read that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 05:45:37 PM

 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::
Hi Monkeys
This post has mad me so sad.

I'm catching up on reading so will be leaving soon but maybe DD is right.Maybe we all should not depend on DD for info and just go on doing what we do best.......forum investigating for innocent victims.

To someone who asked about the Diane Dubois who posted on Dale Golder's MS(I don't know if you all have this info yet)
Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Morning monkeys! 

I thought it was a 'Denise Dubois' posting on DG's myspace?  I could be wrong, will have to check back on that. 

But it just occured to me....  Dubois??   ::MonkeyEek:: 

As in Amber Dubois, the missing girl from California?  Escondido, I think. 

IIRC, Amber's aunt came to help search for Lindsey, isn't that right?   Wonder if she lives in the area?  Wouldn't it be something if these Dubois families are related!! 

You're correct Wyks,it's Denise Vaughn Dubois.That would be something if they are related.....I thought the Dubois on those MS pages were the same from the Laura Recovery Center at first.
Speaking of the LRC,I thought Jess told us that the LRC would never return to McCleary?They were there this past weekend.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 06:00:32 PM
just found this, not sure if Lindsey would have watched this? It seems to be an asian band video singing, I think it is called, kiss me? The band is out of maylasia???

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=39778976

This information is from a membership pay site we use at work, I am the boss so no big deal, lol www.inteligator.com
I found 4 Alice Walters in Washington.
1. tacoma age 57 husband Earl
2. Seatle age not listed no relatives listed
3 gg harbor(?) age 60 husband clyde
4 Walla Walla age 54 husband Darrel (husband age listed as 45)

The wives didnt have any sort of records that was listed on this site I use, it is a paid site but the information is not 100% accurate or so the disclaimer says. 

There seems to be several Alice Walters in the US, ages are mostly in the upper 50's + One Alice Walters in Oregon has a record for prostitution, however her backround check is not coming up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 06:05:05 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

It is a call center outside of McCleary, pretty sure.
Worked at the dollar store in Elma, for MM
Melissa McCann says Melissa Baum only helped her out here and there at the dollar store but Melissa Baum has/had another job.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
I was wondering if we should check out some of the SO's in Elma. It seems that many people who live in McCleary have relatives in Elma and vice versa. It also seems like people who have lived in McCleary have also lived in Elma and vice versa. Add to this the fact that kids in McCleary go to Elma for school, don't they? There are a lot more SO's in Elma than McCleary.
McCleary kids only go to Elma for high school.
I thought the Baum's lived in McCleary for 2 years but Lindsey just started going to school in McCleary September 2008.I believe KaraK stated Lindsey went to school in Elma before 2008.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 06:08:13 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 




::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 06:18:47 PM
Well.. ya know.. I've researched Melissa C Baum, and have that info handy if need arises. 

MBs info shows a Tena Weyland Baum - age 39, which when checked returns similiar info to MB.  Nowhere in the four sources that I use, does it mention familiar names or ages that show a link to Kona, except for the first name Tena. 

On Kona's info upthread, nothing links to a Baum.  It's just that we know her first name is Tena.   

Unless or until I find something that directly links up, IMO, Kona and this other Tena aren't the same person.  IMO. 

Someone with different search capabilities may find something tho.  I use peoplefinders, ussearch, pipl and veromi. 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
No break yet in Lindsey Baum case

Grays Harbor authorities have moved their focus away from a McCleary man whose home they search last month, but investigators continue to follow recent leads in the search for Lindsey Baum.

Undersheriff Rick Scott said the home along Foreman Road outside McCleary was the latest in many potential leads they have considered in the hopes of locating the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared more than three months ago.

“We have a responsibility to investigate the tips that come in,” he said.

After finding no “obvious” evidence, Scott said investigators will turn back to following up on alternative leads and possibilities. Detectives have sent out forensic evidence from the home for testing, which could take months to process.

The Sept. 25 search of two neighboring homes on the property was based on a “culmination of a lot of information,” Scott said. The evidence could clear the man as easily as it incriminates him, but investigators cannot completely rule out the man until the results are returned.

“To say he is no longer a person of interest may be an exaggeration as well,” he said.

Investigators have searched a number of homes in the pursuit of Lindsey, who disappeared June 26 while walking a short distance home from her friend’s house in McCleary. No evidence has been found that offers any explanation of her disappearance.

Scott said homeowners consented to many of the searches while others were conducted because the residents were convicted criminals still under probation restrictions that allow searches.
 

 


A copy of evidence receipts listing items seized during the recent Foreman Road search has been posted on an online “True Crime” forum. It lists a wide variety of personal property taken for examination.

Scott said he could not comment on why any specific items were seized, but investigators looked for anything they believed could lead them to Lindsey.

The receipts list computers, cameras, marijuana, children’s clothing, a .22 caliber rifle, used condoms, a sex toy, paperwork and records, bedding materials, vacuum filters, newspaper articles about Lindsey’s disappearance and dozens of other items.

“We’re going to evaluate the evidence we did get,” Scott said.

The widely publicized search was conducted with a warrant because of the large size of the property, multiple owners and residents, a large amount of officers needed for the search and other considerations, Scott said. Investigators also hoped to avoid any court issues that could arise from a more informal search.

Scott said publicly describing the home’s resident as a “person of interest” is a vague title that can be misleading. He noted the search was part of more than 1,000 tips detectives have pursued in the case.

“It’s not as black and white as everybody thinks,” he said. “There are no absolutes.”

http://**/articles/2009/10/06/local_news/doc4acb87b413b68310515420.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 06:23:18 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 


Wyks, have performed several at the midnight hour.  The strangest to me are the 2 I did -- 1 at 7 a.m. and one at 8 a.m.  Now that to me was the strangest, course I am not a morning person.
 :smt015
 :sunny:

Have you really, Sister?  Gosh!  It must be more popular than I realized to be married at that hour.  Well, unless at Reno, etc. 

And I'm with you, not a morning person either.  7a finds me sound asleep.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 06, 2009, 06:35:31 PM
Have a good night you all.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey.
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 07:03:05 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The witness siting is not a secret, the name starts with a R, (I can't recall the name, sorry) she is the same person what broke up the argument between Lindsey and Josh. She worked with MB, not sure if they still do work together and if this is the same person that helped drive MB around, I think MM said a co worker was helping her get to and from work.
I don't recall that witness's name ever being mentioned.Tracy,where did you read that?

Missing Persons - High Profile / Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 / Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -  on: October 03, 2009, 03:02:30 PM 

I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.
 
---snipped--


ME - this is from MM's post here at SM....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 07:22:48 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The witness siting is not a secret, the name starts with a R, (I can't recall the name, sorry) she is the same person what broke up the argument between Lindsey and Josh. She worked with MB, not sure if they still do work together and if this is the same person that helped drive MB around, I think MM said a co worker was helping her get to and from work.
I don't recall that witness's name ever being mentioned.Tracy,where did you read that?

MM stated that on this site a couple of times. I think I may have read it on another forum too


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 06, 2009, 07:23:18 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

I don't know if it means anything but Alice is a main character in Twilight.  So if someone were making up a name and they were a Twilight fan?  Maybe?  Just tossing it out there.

Alice Cullen

Alice Cullen (born Mary Alice Brandon) is the adopted daughter of Carlisle and Esme, adoptive sister of Edward, Rosalie, and Emmett, and wife of Jasper. Alice is described as being petite and pixie-like at 4 ft 10 in (1.5 m), with a graceful gait and hair that is short, spiky, and black. Her special ability is to see the future, an enhanced version of her ability to have premonitions as a human. <<snipped>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 07:24:50 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

It is a call center outside of McCleary, pretty sure.
Worked at the dollar store in Elma, for MM

I have read she works for a call center outside the town of Mccleary. It may have been MM that said it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

I don't know if it means anything but Alice is a main character in Twilight.  So if someone were making up a name and they were a Twilight fan?  Maybe?  Just tossing it out there.

Alice Cullen

Alice Cullen (born Mary Alice Brandon) is the adopted daughter of Carlisle and Esme, adoptive sister of Edward, Rosalie, and Emmett, and wife of Jasper. Alice is described as being petite and pixie-like at 4 ft 10 in (1.5 m), with a graceful gait and hair that is short, spiky, and black. Her special ability is to see the future, an enhanced version of her ability to have premonitions as a human. <<snipped>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters)

Hmm that is interesting. Lindsey did use another name that depicts her love for that series. If I recall there were two friends she had on there, kayla and this alice walters person. Kara must know something about this considering her daughter was on the myspace too. I hope LE asked about this. I think Kayla is the answer to who this is. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on October 06, 2009, 07:41:40 PM
I know this must have been answered, but I have looked back and have been unable to find it. Where did/does M. Baum work? TIA

It is a call center outside of McCleary, pretty sure.
Worked at the dollar store in Elma, for MM

I have read she works for a call center outside the town of Mccleary. It may have been MM that said it.
That makes sense, I had always wondered why MM didn't know the name  of MB's coworker, since I thought she must be her boss.lol  So much for what I know.  Guess EVERYTHING doesn't get around in a small town.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 07:56:22 PM
Could it be that 'Alice Walters' is just a name taken by Lindsey to create more myspaces?  She has the one named 'Disturbed', which is listed as one of the few friends on another of her own myspaces.  Maybe these different myspaces are all Lindsey's, with different names. 

Trying to get into the mindframe of a child or teenager is exhausting!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 08:01:47 PM
It has been discussed that Clifford may not be Dale's father.  Could it be that Tena has previously been married to a Baum?

Just speculating.  Could our researchers do their thing.  Please.

Janet

+++++


Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.
Diane's name is Diane Vaughn Dubois.


Janet, am looking for any connection between Tena and the Baum's. 

Will post first what we have on Tena Golder, and then work on the other names.   


Thanks Wyks.

Hugs.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 08:32:48 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 





Yes, and . . . .  LOL  Being a Northwesterner I didn't get the okies part.  Like from Oklahoma?  Midnight?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 06, 2009, 08:34:37 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 





Yes, and . . . .  LOL  Being a Northwesterner I didn't get the okies part.  Like from Oklahoma?  Midnight?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Okay i'm taking a stab here and thinking its like "okay" or "okey dokey"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 08:34:56 PM
Could it be that 'Alice Walters' is just a name taken by Lindsey to create more myspaces?  She has the one named 'Disturbed', which is listed as one of the few friends on another of her own myspaces.  Maybe these different myspaces are all Lindsey's, with different names. 

Trying to get into the mindframe of a child or teenager is exhausting!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 

That is a possibility of course, good guess. I am not sure, I have been all around the other myspaces today, going from one to another to anther...I can't get into the kids, they are all set to private, thank god and about time! I don't recall this Alice Walters being on any other myspace when we could get to them.

Just working on some thoughts....
One thing I thought of was she had gotten into an argument with those kids in the area, it was so bad she didn't want to go to school or anything. Well they all made up shortly before she went missing..I wonder if this myspace is one of them? Lindseys was created on 6/17, Alice walters was created on 6/08. I don't know if that fits...Why would alices be first? Seems like Lindsey would be first. I am sorry, it is more then strange that this site was created 9 days before the girl comes up missing, there is an annon poster on this site, no information other then a name. Hasn't logged in since 2 days after Lindsey goes missing. I was thinking maybe this is an undercover site or something LE put up when Lindsey went missing but it hasn't been logged onto since 6/28, that doesn't make sense. What are the odds this would be just some random Myspace poster, who just happens by to Lindseys site, a site she created just before she goes missing and this poster was not the list of friends from the other myspace, disturbed or any of the other kids or adults sites? What would those odds be? Is it possible, I suppose anything is possible but I think this is highly unlikely. Somehow, someway this "Alice Walters, 18 from the US" is connected to Lindsey being missing. jmo of course.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 06, 2009, 08:48:23 PM
And this Alice Walters has just 2 friends, lindsey and popular "tom". Why???? Who is this Alice Walters?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 09:09:35 PM
Interesting note about Kona, from the above info, it appears that she and husband were married at midnight.  ??  lol... okies. 





Yes, and . . . .  LOL  Being a Northwesterner I didn't get the okies part.  Like from Oklahoma?  Midnight?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Okay i'm taking a stab here and thinking its like "okay" or "okey dokey"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Sorry.. ahem.. I meant it as okay, OK, mmmmkay.   Maybe it's a nebraska thing.   ::MonkeyTease::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
Is it just me, or do our pages now have a yellowish/golden tinge to them, rather than white?   ::MonkeyEek:: 

I really gotta lay off the booze.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

j/k .. I don't even drink. 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 09:20:21 PM
Is it just me, or do our pages now have a yellowish/golden tinge to them, rather than white?   ::MonkeyEek:: 

I really gotta lay off the booze.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

j/k .. I don't even drink. 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Hi Wkys,  My pages are a light blue.  I think there is a way to change the color of your pages as I saw it done on another forum.  Maybe Klaas knows.  The lt blue is just perfect on the eyes.  lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 09:23:21 PM
Could it be that 'Alice Walters' is just a name taken by Lindsey to create more myspaces?  She has the one named 'Disturbed', which is listed as one of the few friends on another of her own myspaces.  Maybe these different myspaces are all Lindsey's, with different names. 

Trying to get into the mindframe of a child or teenager is exhausting!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 

That is a possibility of course, good guess. I am not sure, I have been all around the other myspaces today, going from one to another to anther...I can't get into the kids, they are all set to private, thank god and about time! I don't recall this Alice Walters being on any other myspace when we could get to them.

Just working on some thoughts....
One thing I thought of was she had gotten into an argument with those kids in the area, it was so bad she didn't want to go to school or anything. Well they all made up shortly before she went missing..I wonder if this myspace is one of them? Lindseys was created on 6/17, Alice walters was created on 6/08. I don't know if that fits...Why would alices be first? Seems like Lindsey would be first. I am sorry, it is more then strange that this site was created 9 days before the girl comes up missing, there is an annon poster on this site, no information other then a name. Hasn't logged in since 2 days after Lindsey goes missing. I was thinking maybe this is an undercover site or something LE put up when Lindsey went missing but it hasn't been logged onto since 6/28, that doesn't make sense. What are the odds this would be just some random Myspace poster, who just happens by to Lindseys site, a site she created just before she goes missing and this poster was not the list of friends from the other myspace, disturbed or any of the other kids or adults sites? What would those odds be? Is it possible, I suppose anything is possible but I think this is highly unlikely. Somehow, someway this "Alice Walters, 18 from the US" is connected to Lindsey being missing. jmo of course.

Interesting thoughts TG! 

(Am gonna work on *not* using your initials in referring to Kona.. lol) 

I think you are onto something with this.  Seems all too coinkydink to be anything other than this 'Alice Walters' thing is somehow connected.  Boggles my mind in trying to figure it out tho.  Am thinking we do need someone her own age, her own circle of friends to ask.  If anyone, they'd know.  IMO  Sure hope LE has thought of this. 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
No break yet in Lindsey Baum case

Grays Harbor authorities have moved their focus away from a McCleary man whose home they search last month, but investigators continue to follow recent leads in the search for Lindsey Baum.

Undersheriff Rick Scott said the home along Foreman Road outside McCleary was the latest in many potential leads they have considered in the hopes of locating the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared more than three months ago.

“We have a responsibility to investigate the tips that come in,” he said.

After finding no “obvious” evidence, Scott said investigators will turn back to following up on alternative leads and possibilities. Detectives have sent out forensic evidence from the home for testing, which could take months to process.

The Sept. 25 search of two neighboring homes on the property was based on a “culmination of a lot of information,” Scott said. The evidence could clear the man as easily as it incriminates him, but investigators cannot completely rule out the man until the results are returned.

“To say he is no longer a person of interest may be an exaggeration as well,” he said.

Investigators have searched a number of homes in the pursuit of Lindsey, who disappeared June 26 while walking a short distance home from her friend’s house in McCleary. No evidence has been found that offers any explanation of her disappearance.

Scott said homeowners consented to many of the searches while others were conducted because the residents were convicted criminals still under probation restrictions that allow searches.
 

 


A copy of evidence receipts listing items seized during the recent Foreman Road search has been posted on an online “True Crime” forum. It lists a wide variety of personal property taken for examination.

Scott said he could not comment on why any specific items were seized, but investigators looked for anything they believed could lead them to Lindsey.

The receipts list computers, cameras, marijuana, children’s clothing, a .22 caliber rifle, used condoms, a sex toy, paperwork and records, bedding materials, vacuum filters, newspaper articles about Lindsey’s disappearance and dozens of other items.

“We’re going to evaluate the evidence we did get,” Scott said.

The widely publicized search was conducted with a warrant because of the large size of the property, multiple owners and residents, a large amount of officers needed for the search and other considerations, Scott said. Investigators also hoped to avoid any court issues that could arise from a more informal search.

Scott said publicly describing the home’s resident as a “person of interest” is a vague title that can be misleading. He noted the search was part of more than 1,000 tips detectives have pursued in the case.

“It’s not as black and white as everybody thinks,” he said. “There are no absolutes.”

http://**/articles/2009/10/06/local_news/doc4acb87b413b68310515420.txt


::MonkeyTongue:: He is, he isn't.......wow, this is so strting to sound familiar. Thanks Karma ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 09:32:32 PM
Is it just me, or do our pages now have a yellowish/golden tinge to them, rather than white?   ::MonkeyEek:: 

I really gotta lay off the booze.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

j/k .. I don't even drink. 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Hi Wkys,  My pages are a light blue.  I think there is a way to change the color of your pages as I saw it done on another forum.  Maybe Klaas knows.  The lt blue is just perfect on the eyes.  lol

The reply areas are a light blue for me, which is very nice, yes.  Might look into whether or not I can change or tint these pages.  The way it is now tho is nice, it's a softer tint. 

Am thinking it might have to do with the fact I've just gotten thru practicing trying to see the aura of my dog.  LOL  A few minutes of staring at him on a muted white background.  When he got tired of being stared at, LOL, he hopped down.  So I looked back at the comp screen and it's a softer muted color.  I'm like.. wth?   ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyCool::


I haven't lost it.. really. 

honest. 


 ::MonkeyTease::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 06, 2009, 09:40:35 PM
LOL IM!!  Am thinking that they pulled back from 'POI' with such neck-breaking speed, and saying something like they aren't even looking at this guy anymore..... they forgot there's a whole pile of stuff they took to be testing.  hehe.. ooops!   ::MonkeyTongue::  This may be their way of coming back just close enough to justify waiting on those test results, without publically calling it anything. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Sister on October 06, 2009, 10:05:15 PM
Well.. ya know.. I've researched Melissa C Baum, and have that info handy if need arises. 

MBs info shows a Tena Weyland Baum - age 39, which when checked returns similiar info to MB.  Nowhere in the four sources that I use, does it mention familiar names or ages that show a link to Kona, except for the first name Tena. 

On Kona's info upthread, nothing links to a Baum.  It's just that we know her first name is Tena.   

Unless or until I find something that directly links up, IMO, Kona and this other Tena aren't the same person.  IMO. 

Someone with different search capabilities may find something tho.  I use peoplefinders, ussearch, pipl and veromi. 
 

I believe you will find that Tena W. Baum is not related to anyone in McCleary or the surrounding areas, as I recall she is an ex-wife of Lindsey's father.  But, I could be mistaken.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 10:14:26 PM
LOL IM!!  Am thinking that they pulled back from 'POI' with such neck-breaking speed, and saying something like they aren't even looking at this guy anymore..... they forgot there's a whole pile of stuff they took to be testing.  hehe.. ooops!   ::MonkeyTongue::  This may be their way of coming back just close enough to justify waiting on those test results, without publically calling it anything. 



Hi Wkys,  Let's just hope that is what the perp thinks.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 06, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
i also think its significant that HO specifically said something about the beer bottles in his dog report. why say this? maybe there is more to it. i'm sure there were tons of beer bottles out in the woods. i really think there is something more to this.

i think its great that we are looking into the golders. how could we not? especially after reading the affidavit of probable cause. my gut tells me they are not involved. i still think kk's discrepencies, her son's injury and bad stitch job, and mb's hesitance to even talk to HO or tim miller and some other things need to continue to be looked at, although everytime i look at those my head spins...

SORRY FOR GETTING UP IN YOUR POST!!
HI,sunshine12. :-) BTW, thanks for your earlier comments to my thoughts about the kids and their involvement.
Also, I'm so far behind reading,lol, that I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, so please forgive me in advance if I repeat someone's thoughts...
 
I am interested in HO and the mention of beer bottles.

Now I am wondering, could there be a connection with that.. and kids? I have found that it is sometimes more important to focus on what a person does NOT say. HO did NOT 'give up' the brand of beer.

so.. I'd like to know.. What kind of beer? A coupla Bud lites? Coronas? something cheap...Blatz? (I know I know, but I'm tired and I can't think of anything else lol) and maybe the bottles were a kind typical for a certain group of local kids? Hmmmm..

The part of your post that really caught my eye was about KK's son's injury. sorry if this has already been covered, I don't recall reading it anywhere...
 Do we know: did KK's son and MB's son hang out? Were they buds? And did either boy have a cell phone and/or chat connection?
Now, I grew up with brothers, and they got enjoyment out of scaring the bejeezus out of me-jumping out from behind corners, sneaking up on me in the dark...(I was afraid of dark, into vampire stuff at that age, like Lindsey)
So could these two buds, aware of events (their sisters' plans, KK's decision, Lindsey's trek home alone in the dark, knowing it scares her,etc)
could one or both of them have conncocted a plan, an attempt to get back at Lindsey for the earlier fight and tonguelashing from neighbor? I wonder... 
Could their plan have required other people's (kids&oradults) involvement, initially or incidentally?  I wonder....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
Has anyone looked into Libby Nelson who was mentioned in the Affidavit as working at the center.  Why was her name in particular brought up when they talked to many employees there?  It said she had a daughter who was Lindsey's friend so Libby did know her.  Just curious and trying to sort it out.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 10:52:11 PM
MonkeyinSC

The following words of Kara Kampen imply that Josh Baum and her son were not buddies.

Janet
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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772;topicseen#msg865772

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KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1580 on: July 07, 2009, 10:52:40 PM »


Is there a reason Josh did not hang out with your son(or did he?)because they are about the same age?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868973#msg868973


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1600 on: July 08, 2009, 01:36:01 AM »


Two very different groups I guess you'd say. Every now and again they'd hang out for a few if everyone else they knew was doing something else but my son is a little skater/ biker that hangs out with kids usually who enjoy the same. Josh is more the fishing, playing video games type of kid.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869256;topicseen#msg869256

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 06, 2009, 11:13:45 PM
Getting down to brass tacks, since Libby Nelson {mentioned in the Affidavit} worked at the Beehive and Lindsey was last seen in front of the Beehive, could Libby be the second witness who last saw Lindsey as she was walking home and possibly the one DD was referring to?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: DayOldDonuts on October 06, 2009, 11:35:37 PM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

I don't know if it means anything but Alice is a main character in Twilight.  So if someone were making up a name and they were a Twilight fan?  Maybe?  Just tossing it out there.

Alice Cullen

Alice Cullen (born Mary Alice Brandon) is the adopted daughter of Carlisle and Esme, adoptive sister of Edward, Rosalie, and Emmett, and wife of Jasper. Alice is described as being petite and pixie-like at 4 ft 10 in (1.5 m), with a graceful gait and hair that is short, spiky, and black. Her special ability is to see the future, an enhanced version of her ability to have premonitions as a human. <<snipped>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters)

Hmm that is interesting. Lindsey did use another name that depicts her love for that series. If I recall there were two friends she had on there, kayla and this alice walters person. Kara must know something about this considering her daughter was on the myspace too. I hope LE asked about this. I think Kayla is the answer to who this is. 

Hi, Tracygirl! 

I know you are working on the Alice Walters angle.  I tried and tried but didn't get anywhere with it last night.  But then, I'm not good at researching.  Just looking around, really.

Anyway, did you come across Alice Walters with the user names alipali1094 and alice_walters1094?  They are on on bebo.com.  I signed up on the site but can't see the profiles because they are private.  They reminded me of the myspace ones because there are no pics and there seem to be a bunch of similar type user names.

http://www.bebo.com/Search2.jsp? (http://www.bebo.com/Search2.jsp?) 

It's probably nothing but thought I'd mention it.  I think I'm going to throw in the towel because I just can't seem to get anywhere with it.   Gonna hit the monkey bunkey.

Night, monkeys!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 06, 2009, 11:35:59 PM
Hi All,
I spoke to Carrie, Amber Dubois' mom today. They are not related to Denise Dubois in McCleary. I find it really odd that this Denise Dubois sent a package to DG right about the time that Lindsey disappeared. I am sure it is just a coincidence.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: islandmonkey on October 06, 2009, 11:55:12 PM
LOL IM!!  Am thinking that they pulled back from 'POI' with such neck-breaking speed, and saying something like they aren't even looking at this guy anymore..... they forgot there's a whole pile of stuff they took to be testing.  hehe.. ooops!   ::MonkeyTongue::  This may be their way of coming back just close enough to justify waiting on those test results, without publically calling it anything. 



Hi Wkys,  Let's just hope that is what the perp thinks.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Exactly ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 12:05:28 AM
Everytime I see TG my heart stops and I think for a moment, oh my god they think I am Kona! lol, then I remember her name  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny I have been searching for other uses for the name Alice Walters, such as maybe a character in a show or book, a name of a band, TV show, just a slang name and I come up with nothing. Do you know who said it was a local bands name?  Seems strange this band would not have a website, public myspace, facebook, twitter account, nothing. 

I don't know if it means anything but Alice is a main character in Twilight.  So if someone were making up a name and they were a Twilight fan?  Maybe?  Just tossing it out there.

Alice Cullen

Alice Cullen (born Mary Alice Brandon) is the adopted daughter of Carlisle and Esme, adoptive sister of Edward, Rosalie, and Emmett, and wife of Jasper. Alice is described as being petite and pixie-like at 4 ft 10 in (1.5 m), with a graceful gait and hair that is short, spiky, and black. Her special ability is to see the future, an enhanced version of her ability to have premonitions as a human. <<snipped>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Twilight_characters)

Hmm that is interesting. Lindsey did use another name that depicts her love for that series. If I recall there were two friends she had on there, kayla and this alice walters person. Kara must know something about this considering her daughter was on the myspace too. I hope LE asked about this. I think Kayla is the answer to who this is. 

Hi, Tracygirl! 

I know you are working on the Alice Walters angle.  I tried and tried but didn't get anywhere with it last night.  But then, I'm not good at researching.  Just looking around, really.

Anyway, did you come across Alice Walters with the user names alipali1094 and alice_walters1094?  They are on on bebo.com.  I signed up on the site but can't see the profiles because they are private.  They reminded me of the myspace ones because there are no pics and there seem to be a bunch of similar type user names.

http://www.bebo.com/Search2.jsp? (http://www.bebo.com/Search2.jsp?) 

It's probably nothing but thought I'd mention it.  I think I'm going to throw in the towel because I just can't seem to get anywhere with it.   Gonna hit the monkey bunkey.

Night, monkeys!

DOD, lol, I love your name. Thank you so much, off to researching these I go.

What is with the name alice walters? Is alice a popular name now a days? I certainly do not think so. I was thinking it had something to do with the band "alice in chains" they are from Washington I think or started there, but I can't find a walters connection. I am afraid someone is going to come on the board and tell me it is a teenaged slang thing and I am just too old to know about it! Please if you have teenages please ask them if the name Alice Walters means anything to them? I have done search after search, can't find anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 12:12:11 AM
Getting down to brass tacks, since Libby Nelson {mentioned in the Affidavit} worked at the Beehive and Lindsey was last seen in front of the Beehive, could Libby be the second witness who last saw Lindsey as she was walking home and possibly the one DD was referring to?

Do you mean the witness the police are using to place lindsey at that spot? It was not libby. I think she worked that night, not sure of the time.

The persons name starts with an R, like Rita or something like that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 12:19:07 AM
Getting down to brass tacks, since Libby Nelson {mentioned in the Affidavit} worked at the Beehive and Lindsey was last seen in front of the Beehive, could Libby be the second witness who last saw Lindsey as she was walking home and possibly the one DD was referring to?

My guess is .. yes. 

We have read earlier on that Lindsey supposedly spoke with someone else after leaving KK's house, asked to spend the night with that person's daughter/niece?, and was told no.  Read also that the woman felt badly for having said no, wished she had said yes. 

While at the same time, there was some confusion in the news about which route Lindsey actually took.  Did she make a right turn from Maple onto 6th?  Did she go straight down Maple?  Was she seen closer to 4th?  Did she take a roundabout way to the main street rather than her usual route home? 

More confusion in trying to figure out exactly where the Beehive is.  On Maple?  On 6th?  Down Maple further, closer to 5th?  Oh... there it is.  On Maple, same side of the street as KK's house, but not facing Maple, it faces 6th. 

More confusion in how long those 'blocks' actually are.  Was she as close to home as had been reported?  Last seen at 6th and Maple.  Actually.... at the most, TWO blocks from KK's house.  *Not* close to home, IMO, by any stretch of the imagination.

KK's daughter supposedly walked with her part way home.  No wait, she 'watched' her walk part way down the street.  Couldn't watch her too far cuz the trees were in the way.  Guess boyfriend of KK couldn't drive her home, after supposedly being the one who
didn't want her to spend the night? 

By the time we had discussed and sorted thru all that confusion combined, it effectively seems to have taken our attention off the 2nd person that Lindsey supposedly asked to spend the night at. 

My best guess.. After leaving KK's house, Lindsey walked down Maple until she reached 6th.  (where the Beehive is).  Saw LN, perhaps while she was working, perhaps she was just getting off work, going to work, whatever.  Lindsey may have asked her then if she could spend the night, hoping perhaps to also catch a ride if LN was leaving, or to trot on over to her house if she said sure. 

But LN said no, so Lindsey does what at that point?  Perhaps turns back to continue her walk home.  And LN does what at that point?  Gets in/out of her car to begin/leave work? 

Perhaps sees the one who then stops Lindsey. 

And that... is why I've been thinking that not much has been said about her ever since.  Am thinking she's our mystery witness. 

And if so, it's not on US not to out her.  Or whoever else the mystery witness is.  It's up to LE to place that person in protective custody to be safe, if the person actually IS in such imminent 'danger'.  IMO. 
 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 01:04:48 AM
I just figured out I think where lindsey got the name "disturbed" for her myspace name, it is a name of a band she has listed on the twighlight page.

This next part is a total and complete jump!!! Be warned
so this leads me to believing she is choosing names based on things she likes. So going back to Wykes suggestion that maybe it was a 3rd site for lindsey and she is actually Alice Walters. Alice could be from the novel DOD posted, what about the last name walters? Is there a boy with that name? I remember being a young girl and everyboy I had a crush on I would replace my last name with theirs. Is there a walters? If not a boy she knew, then what about a celebrity or a character? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 07, 2009, 01:14:14 AM
Hi Tracy Girl,
The whole Alice Walters thing has bugged me since day one. Since LE had her computer, you would think that they would have checked it out? Having said that, they could have set up that account at the library, a coffee, shop.

I just checked out Libby Nelson. The VERY first time I have put someone's name from this area that we have looked at and gotten zero hits! She appears to be clean as a whistle! Her husband Kenneth W Nelson has a common name. Lots of hits on that name, not sure if it is him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 07, 2009, 01:17:27 AM
I am sitting here thinking about both Amber and Lindsey. Both disappeared when there were other people around, yet not one single person saw one single thing! I truly hope that this is the case. I truly would not like to entertain the thought that there could be witnesses out there that "just don't want to get involved". That would be the most horrific thing in the world!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 07, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
Getting down to brass tacks, since Libby Nelson {mentioned in the Affidavit} worked at the Beehive and Lindsey was last seen in front of the Beehive, could Libby be the second witness who last saw Lindsey as she was walking home and possibly the one DD was referring to?

Do you mean the witness the police are using to place lindsey at that spot? It was not libby. I think she worked that night, not sure of the time.

The persons name starts with an R, like Rita or something like that.

Thanks Tracygirl,  I thought she might be going to work and she lives quite close to the Beehive, up Main and a left on Maple and she would have passed her walking.  OK  LOL. I'll scrub that idea.  ;}


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Scandi on October 07, 2009, 02:36:16 AM
I found a good ariel shot of the Beehive.  You have to zoom in to the 2nd notch and center the map on 6th and Maple.  BINGO, it takes up the whole block {on the south side of Maple} with the entrance about half way down on 6th:

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=mccleary+wa+%2B+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=McCleary,+WA&gl=us&ei=VDXMSrHNBJLgsQO64NSGAQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1 (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=mccleary+wa+%2B+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=McCleary,+WA&gl=us&ei=VDXMSrHNBJLgsQO64NSGAQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1)

Testing for direct image:
(http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=mccleary+wa+%2B+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=McCleary,+WA&gl=us&ei=VDXMSrHNBJLgsQO64NSGAQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 03:51:10 AM
Hi All,
I spoke to Carrie, Amber Dubois' mom today. They are not related to Denise Dubois in McCleary. I find it really odd that this Denise Dubois sent a package to DG right about the time that Lindsey disappeared. I am sure it is just a coincidence.

Thanks Sebastian!  I appreciate your help with this!  And that 'package' thing, someone explained that those evidently get 'sent' without the person even knowing they sent it.  Something like that.  Like spam I guess?  And if so, then yeah, more like a fluke kind of thing happening. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 03:51:53 AM
LOL IM!!  Am thinking that they pulled back from 'POI' with such neck-breaking speed, and saying something like they aren't even looking at this guy anymore..... they forgot there's a whole pile of stuff they took to be testing.  hehe.. ooops!   ::MonkeyTongue::  This may be their way of coming back just close enough to justify waiting on those test results, without publically calling it anything. 



Hi Wkys,  Let's just hope that is what the perp thinks.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Exactly ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 07, 2009, 04:57:15 AM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The witness siting is not a secret, the name starts with a R, (I can't recall the name, sorry) she is the same person what broke up the argument between Lindsey and Josh. She worked with MB, not sure if they still do work together and if this is the same person that helped drive MB around, I think MM said a co worker was helping her get to and from work.
I don't recall that witness's name ever being mentioned.Tracy,where did you read that?

Missing Persons - High Profile / Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 / Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -  on: October 03, 2009, 03:02:30 PM 

I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.
 
---snipped--


ME - this is from MM's post here at SM....
Right,thanks Leroy but Tracy said she did not remember the name,as if she knew what "R's"full name was at one time.I don't recall ever hearing "R's" full first name being stated.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 07, 2009, 05:20:11 AM
Getting down to brass tacks, since Libby Nelson {mentioned in the Affidavit} worked at the Beehive and Lindsey was last seen in front of the Beehive, could Libby be the second witness who last saw Lindsey as she was walking home and possibly the one DD was referring to?
Supposedly it was Tab and Libby's house that Lindsey and Kayla swam at the Thursday and Friday before Lindsey Disappeared.
Libby's house(if all of that is true)is located on 3rd street.I have a couple of pictures of the house if you need them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 07, 2009, 05:25:32 AM
Wyks,where did you read that Lindsey did stop at someone's house after leaving KaraK's house?As far as I know that was only rumor and speculations,never been confirmed.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 07, 2009, 09:40:55 AM
Wyks,where did you read that Lindsey did stop at someone's house after leaving KaraK's house?As far as I know that was only rumor and speculations,never been confirmed.
Good Morning, I don't think it has been confirmed, but I may have missed that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 07, 2009, 09:50:02 AM
MonkeyinSC

The following words of Kara Kampen imply that Josh Baum and her son were not buddies.

Janet
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Thank you for refreshing my memory, Tamikosmom !
Rats, I was hoping my theory on the two boys would hold water  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just find KK's son's injury - the timing of it, the terrible stitch job, the explanation of how it happened - to be highly suspect

And I am still ruminating over the entire HO dog search/finding 'beer bottles' ... I may have to drop Mr. Oakes an email on the subject, though I believe he may have intentionally left out the details ...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 07, 2009, 10:19:56 AM
Wyks,where did you read that Lindsey did stop at someone's house after leaving KaraK's house?As far as I know that was only rumor and speculations,never been confirmed.
Good Morning, I don't think it has been confirmed, but I may have missed that.

Good morning, I think this is what you are looking for?

DD posted that this info does need to be confirmed, due to ever-changing stories from a local and Marilyn Lachester... my apologies for snipping the post, it is rather long...


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    Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1388 on: August 10, 2009, 08:36:21 PM » 

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let me clear this up. 

yes it is tag and libby's house lindsey was swimming at the day she went missing and the day before she went missing.  Tag and libby have daughters and a niece.  the niece is the reason lindsey was missing school because of problems with the niece.  the day before lindsey and the niece were friends again so lindsey was over there the day before and the day she went missing. 

libby is the one who works at the bee hive place down the street. 

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now here is the local rumor mill stories...

at first someone stated that lindsey had stopped by tag and libby's on the way home and a white car drove by and lindsey turned white and was scared to death and asked to spend the night and tag and libby told her no...

Then after this local talked with marilyn the story changed..
marilyn said she was good friends with tag and libby and they would never do that, and that is what happened at Kara's house, not at tag and libby's house.  Marilyn now says that lindsey headed straight for home and stopped nowhere and that lindsey does not know anyone on that street. 

this is an out and out lie from marilyn.  <snipped> . 

marilyn is the one who changed the story and put this off on kara.  another local says she stopped at tag and libby's house and asked to spend the night.  I don't know if she did or not, but someone might want to go find out.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 10:42:12 AM
Wyks,where did you read that Lindsey did stop at someone's house after leaving KaraK's house?As far as I know that was only rumor and speculations,never been confirmed.

That's why I used the word 'supposedly'.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 07, 2009, 10:45:53 AM
MonkeyinSC thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 07, 2009, 10:58:18 AM
MonkeyinSC thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::

you are quite welcome, NRCG !


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 11:20:49 AM
I just figured out I think where lindsey got the name "disturbed" for her myspace name, it is a name of a band she has listed on the twighlight page.

This next part is a total and complete jump!!! Be warned
so this leads me to believing she is choosing names based on things she likes. So going back to Wykes suggestion that maybe it was a 3rd site for lindsey and she is actually Alice Walters. Alice could be from the novel DOD posted, what about the last name walters? Is there a boy with that name? I remember being a young girl and everyboy I had a crush on I would replace my last name with theirs. Is there a walters? If not a boy she knew, then what about a celebrity or a character? 

Who knows what goes thru a young girl's head.. any of these are good possibilities, TG.  The whole thing is mind-boggling at best.    ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 11:23:28 AM
Thanks MonkeyinSC!  Yep that's where I read it.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 11:42:49 AM
Considering the swimming connection and ... in the process of elimination ... I would assume that Tag and Libby have been interrogated ... investigated and ... their property searched.

Is it known that Libby is the family friend who intervened in the argument and ... a short time later claims to have witnessed Lindsey at 5th and Maple?

Is there a posted map that reveals the location of Tag and Libby's home in relationship to the route along Maple that Lindsey took on the evening of June 26, 2009?

Thanks

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: madibabe on October 07, 2009, 11:46:40 AM
I was wondering if we should check out some of the SO's in Elma. It seems that many people who live in McCleary have relatives in Elma and vice versa. It also seems like people who have lived in McCleary have also lived in Elma and vice versa. Add to this the fact that kids in McCleary go to Elma for school, don't they? There are a lot more SO's in Elma than McCleary.
McCleary kids only go to Elma for high school.
This is not true. If you live in Mccleary you have the choice to send them to Elma or Mccleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 11:48:47 AM
AZSunny

I see ya in the rafters.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

The story about the beans ...??

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
8:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2009, 12:01:19 PM
AZSunny

I see ya in the rafters.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

The story about the beans ...??

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
8:50 AM PT

OK,  this is way OT.   A few years ago we had all 6 kids here with their spouses celebrating my husbands birthday...so about 14 people staying at the house.  We made a casual BBQ lunch one day, and one of the dishes was baked beans that we cooked in a cermaic pottery type dish with a lid. After the BBQ  every one was doing clean up in the kitchen, some washing, some drying and some putting away.  When they didn't know where something went they put it in the corner of the kitchen counter, and I took care of it.  Well, i picked up the crock dish, and put it away.  some 9 months later I pulled the dish out to use it, and opened it up to find fermented baked beans still inside!.   It didn't smell because of the type of dish, but darn, was I suprised!  It had been sitting in my cupboard all that time!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
I also learned the hard way never to let my husband hide easter eggs in the house after he had a martini....but that is a whole other story!

OK....I promise, we are back to the Lindsey search now!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 12:17:51 PM
AZSunny..   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
AZSunny

I see ya in the rafters.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

The story about the beans ...??

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
8:50 AM PT

OK,  this is way OT.   A few years ago we had all 6 kids here with their spouses celebrating my husbands birthday...so about 14 people staying at the house.  We made a casual BBQ lunch one day, and one of the dishes was baked beans that we cooked in a cermaic pottery type dish with a lid. After the BBQ  every one was doing clean up in the kitchen, some washing, some drying and some putting away.  When they didn't know where something went they put it in the corner of the kitchen counter, and I took care of it.  Well, i picked up the crock dish, and put it away.  some 9 months later I pulled the dish out to use it, and opened it up to find fermented baked beans still inside!.   It didn't smell because of the type of dish, but darn, was I suprised!  It had been sitting in my cupboard all that time!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
karma the pic of Lindsey is very cute, thank you. She has a very sweet smile.

As you all know, I don't beleive MB or Josh had anything to do with it and since I don't I want to thank you for still looking at the possibilty. Who knows, I could be wrong!

I honestly think the people who were out that night lent to LE's statement the last person to see her was at 9:30 (or whatever time). I wish we knew where all of the other people where though, She may have been taken right from there or a few blocks away.

I think Alice Walters may have something to do with all of this, what do you all think?

I agree the Baums may not have anything to do with it, but we are back to square one. If she was last seen at 9:30, why don't we know who it was that last saw her then? What is the secret? I am not sure we even know Alice Walters really is. Do you think she is the witness that last saw Lindsey? I am scratching my head just like everyone else.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The witness siting is not a secret, the name starts with a R, (I can't recall the name, sorry) she is the same person what broke up the argument between Lindsey and Josh. She worked with MB, not sure if they still do work together and if this is the same person that helped drive MB around, I think MM said a co worker was helping her get to and from work.
I don't recall that witness's name ever being mentioned.Tracy,where did you read that?

Missing Persons - High Profile / Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 / Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -  on: October 03, 2009, 03:02:30 PM 

I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.
 
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ME - this is from MM's post here at SM....
Right,thanks Leroy but Tracy said she did not remember the name,as if she knew what "R's"full name was at one time.I don't recall ever hearing "R's" full first name being stated.

Karma this is not a secret. I had been told the name, it amounted to zero and so I didn't hold onto the name. I looked through my notes and do not have it. I think you post with JennO, ask her, she should know too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Wyks on October 07, 2009, 01:06:36 PM

Missing Persons - High Profile / Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 / Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -  on: October 03, 2009, 03:02:30 PM 

I didn’t ask MB the names of the witness because I didnt’t care for the specific names, I know the story behind them just as you do. I do know that her co-workers name was said in front of me but it wasn’t something that stuck in my brain but I am pretty sure it starts with a R.  Again its not a secret and I don’t know why its not constantly thrown out there. I didn’t realize until just recently that she was the same person at 9 30 who was the person who broke up the argument.
 
---snipped--


ME - this is from MM's post here at SM....
Right,thanks Leroy but Tracy said she did not remember the name,as if she knew what "R's"full name was at one time.I don't recall ever hearing "R's" full first name being stated.

Karma this is not a secret. I had been told the name, it amounted to zero and so I didn't hold onto the name. I looked through my notes and do not have it. I think you post with JennO, ask her, she should know too.

Well, it may not have been a secret to some, but has to many of us.  From what I recall, except for one guess, the "R" is all that has been posted here.  Unless I missed it somehow.   




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: sebastian on October 07, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
I was wondering if we should check out some of the SO's in Elma. It seems that many people who live in McCleary have relatives in Elma and vice versa. It also seems like people who have lived in McCleary have also lived in Elma and vice versa. Add to this the fact that kids in McCleary go to Elma for school, don't they? There are a lot more SO's in Elma than McCleary.
McCleary kids only go to Elma for high school.
This is not true. If you live in Mccleary you have the choice to send them to Elma or Mccleary.

Hi Madibabe!
You are a local. Do you know the name of the witness that begins with an "R"? Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 01:28:08 PM
lol, I don't know. I post on another board, could have been from there. It is a woman that works with MB. I do not know these people, so maybe JennO who knows them personally can fill everyone in on the name. If any posters on this board, posts with her, then ask her if she recalls the name or knows it and if not then to contact MB, kara, mm and ask. It can also be confirmed I suppose.

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 01:31:53 PM
I am going to include this thought and this is not what I am doing by not posting a name, I honestly do not recall what it is, but going public with this name on this open board may put this person at risk. I am assuming why LE has not put her name out there could be for this persons safety. JUST SAYING THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT FORSURE!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 07, 2009, 01:33:57 PM
I am going to include this thought and this is not what I am doing by not posting a name, I honestly do not recall what it is, but going public with this name on this open board may put this person at risk. I am assuming why LE has not put her name out there could be for this persons safety. JUST SAYING THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT FORSURE!
But what I don't get is why, the person only saw Lindsey, unless of course, the person saw more, and that is a reason not to disclose her name  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on October 07, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
I am going to include this thought and this is not what I am doing by not posting a name, I honestly do not recall what it is, but going public with this name on this open board may put this person at risk. I am assuming why LE has not put her name out there could be for this persons safety. JUST SAYING THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT FORSURE!
But what I don't get is why, the person only saw Lindsey, unless of course, the person saw more, and that is a reason not to disclose her name  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe NRCG, I hope she saw more then what we all know. I am hoping they have some secret clue they are working on because it sure seems this case is stuck.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
Post by: Leroy on October 07, 2009, 01:43:57 PM
I am going to include this thought and this is not what I am doing by not posting a name, I honestly do not recall what it is, but going public with this name on this open board may put this person at risk. I am assuming why LE has not put her name out there could be for this persons safety. JUST SAYING THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT FORSURE!
But what I don't get is why, the person only saw Lindsey, unless of course, the person saw more, and that is a reason not to disclose her name  ::MonkeyConfused::