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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:39:11 PM



Title: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:39:11 PM
Deputies acting on “credible” tip
By Jacob Jones & Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:28 PM PDT


McCLEARY — Law enforcement officials began serving search warrants in the McCleary area this morning after “credible information” emerged that may help investigators locate Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared three months ago Saturday.

“Credible information has been developed that there are locations in the McCleary area that may contain evidence that may assist investigators in locating Lindsey Baum,” Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office read from a statement this morning. “This activity is expected through the weekend. Due to the sensitive nature of the investigation and to reduce the risk of compromise, no further details of the current investigative activity will be released.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house to her home in McCleary. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The Sheriff’s Office, the FBI, the King County Sheriff’s Office and other regional law enforcement agencies are serving the search warrants, Shumate said.

He said that community members may notice the increased police presence today and through the weekend.

The Sheriff’s Office mobile command center has returned to McCleary, Shumate added, at least through the weekend. During the past few weeks, investigators had been working from Montesano.

“We’re just getting started with the search warrants,” Shumate said this morning. “I wish I could say more but we can’t jeopardize the investigation.”

Supporters of Baum planned to conduct a candlelight vigil Saturday to mark three months since she went missing.
 
The group plans to gather at 8 p.m. Saturday at the Evergreen Christian Center on Fourth Street in McCleary to offer support and share the latest news on the search.

“This candlelight vigil will mark three months since the abduction of Lindsey Baum took place,” a news release stated, “and will serve to remind us to never forget and never stop looking.”

The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl was last seen wearing a blue hooded shirt, jeans and black shoes. Volunteers and investigators have repeatedly combed the small community of about 1,500 people without finding any trace of the girl. Investigators suspect she has been abducted.

Supporters had said previously that they wanted to host a new search effort next month as part of the ongoing effort to distribute information and seek any new clues.

The news release stated searches were scheduled for 9 a.m. on Oct. 2-4, with volunteers meeting at the Evergreen Christian Church. For more information on the vigil or upcoming searches, Lindsey’s family posts schedules and information at www.FindLindseyBaum.com.

Anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum should call 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us. Information may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, 98557.

The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum at: http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm.

http://**/articles/2009/09/25/local_news/doc4abd00e90348c403452968.txt




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:43:49 PM
Search warrants issued in Lindsey Baum case
Story Published: Sep 25, 2009 at 11:06 AM PDT
Story Updated: Sep 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM PDT


VIDEO:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:45:18 PM
The following link reveals the route from Maple and 3rd to Forman.  The route is the opposite direction from Beck Street.  I am hoping somebody on the forum can post us a good road map of McCleary and the outlying areas.

Whatever the truth encompassing the disappearance of this little girl ... I hope it is forthcoming very soon.

Janet

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http://www.countryinnpetresortspa.com/location.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:47:06 PM
The link also reveals the intersection of Foreman Road and Old Sand Creek Road.  How many miles would this be from the sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple?

TIA

Janet

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MAP:
http://www.countryinnpetresortspa.com/location.html


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Video shot by KOMO News' Air 4 showed law enforcement personnel combing at least two sites near McCleary on Friday.

At one site, investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed.

At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:51:16 PM
Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 12:54 pm PDT September 25, 2009


A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:53:20 PM
Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said.

As the search continues, Melissa hopes she might finally get some answers.

"When it boils down to it, I go to bed every night without kissing my daughter goodnight and that's all I want to do," Melissa said.

She said she believes Lindsey is still alive.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:55:06 PM
I cannot comprehend why the name of owner of the properties currently being searched in relation to the Lindsey Baum case is not being revealed on the SM forum when ... Jim Mullin was not given a pass when the creek on his property was searched.

What is the diffrence?

Janet

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Jim Mullin Creek Searched 6 Times & Info

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5606.0


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 01:59:38 PM

Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
No major discoveries in new search for McCleary girl
11:07 PM PDT on Friday, September 25, 2009


http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:01:34 PM
VIDEO:

SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Search warrants issued in Lindsey Baum case


In what could be a big break in the case of a missing 11-year-old girl, authorities executed search warrants Friday at two locations in McCleary to seek evidence in the mysterious disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

http://www.komonews.com/news/61475637.html?video=YHI&t=a


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:02:35 PM
In the preceding video ... the status of the current search is being report and ...Melissa Baum states that Lindsey's room has been taped off.  Is there a connection?

Janet


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:05:20 PM

Quote from: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 04:43:39 PM

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:11:08 PM
No breakthroughs in Lindsey Baum disappearance

Sheriff's deputies and FBI agents reported no breakthroughs Saturday in the second day of a search for clues into the mysterious disappearance of an 11-year-old McCleary girl.

Video:
http://www.komonews.com/news/61962227.html?video=YHI&t=a


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:18:21 PM
If Tamikosmom was singled out by LE as a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case because of false speculation of others and ... the authorities arrived at our door with or without a search warrant ... in the process of elimination ... hubby and I would step aside to let them in and ... instruct them to go for it but ... please excuse the mess because I spend hours on the computer and ... seldom clean house.  With or without a warrant ... in the process of elimination ... the searching of our property would meet with the same compliance.  Closure and justice for Lindsey would demand it.

Kona ... thank you for all you do in making a stand for Lindsey Baum ... a stand that was not without personal consequences.  This old world needs more Konas.

I can now appreciate how Wayne Watne and Jim Mullins must have felt when they were also targeted as persons of interest by internet posters.  Wayne Watne ... for all we know ... his only motivation was to be a positive influence in the life of Josh Braum and a provider of support for an overwelmed single Mom.  Jim Mullins ... for all we know ... was a man who took pleasure in watching young people play as they played in the creek on his property.

My heart goes out to Kona and her family, Wayne Watne and Jim Mullin.  The focus of suspicion must be hurtful to all of them.  Nevertheless ... a ten year old little girl is missing and ... and persons of interest that come to the attention of LE must be investigated in the process of elimination.

Sincerely, Janet

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JIM MULLIN

Search ramps up for McCleary girl
10:19 PM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009


Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html


Jim Mullin
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5606.0


WAYNE WATNE

She’s no runaway, family says
By Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT


Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Hundreds gather for Baum vigil
By Callie White - The Daily World
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT


Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699.txt


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772

Wayne Watne
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:21:41 PM


Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".


http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
Police have yet to find big break in case
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:32:35 PM
A genuine suspicion may have been based on the fact that ... according to DD .. Kona inserted herself personally in the case.  Not only do many with sincere motives become active along side an investigation in persuit of answers but ... so do the perps who have a personal agenda to obstruct the investigation by distract from themselves and ... distracting from the evidence.  Perps have been known to speak publicly on behalf of the victim as well as appear to search for the missing.

It appears that Kona's neighbours stand behind the family.  I have not heard anything negative.

Janet

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Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:48:45 PM
FLORAL BATHING SUIT

doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »


I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665
 

shortcake
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1880 on: Today at 03:02:54 AM »


Hi DD.  I respect your knowledge and information.  I have two questions.  1. Who do you have to get permission from to answer questions about the search?  2.  You said you have a copy of the warrant, does it go into specifics about the bathing suit(like color,design,size,etc.).  That information could be very important, then again I may be on a wild goose chase.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960852#msg960852


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1901 on: Today at 04:07:23 AM »


flower print bathing suit top and bottom

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1900


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:52:51 PM
THE FLORAL BATHING SUIT

Deenie
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #612 on: July 02, 2009, 10:48:26 PM »


Ok ...this I just found on another missing/exploited site
posted yesterday which would be July 1st, 09

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?s=a9ab2f8a704d2dfa0d8b7ef74ba69080&t=15126&page=16

<snipped>

You are correct, Texanne, this is a logging area and the Capital Forest I mentioned before is criss crossed with logging roads as well as ORV trails. I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862580;topicseen#msg862580


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:54:35 PM
THE FLORAL BATHING SUIT

When I consider the “floral bathing suit” … could this be the reason behind the search of Kona’s properties.

Maybe DD can answer:

1.  Does Kona’s son own a quad/three wheeler?.

2.  Could Kona’s son have been at the swimming party?

3.  Considering Lindsey was witnessed in her bathing suit … not jeans and a hoodie … riding on the quad/three wheeler … could Kona’s son have given Lindsey a ride earlier that day?

4.  Considering LE states that the  “family of four” cooperated fully with the search effort … could the attorney which Kona retained be all about an earlier connection between Lindsey and her son.


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 11:59:02 PM
I do not know this poster and ... without backup would most likely disregard his/her words but ... according to DD ... a search warrant issued this past weekend in the Lindsey Baum case listing a floral bathing suit implies ... in my opinion ... some connection.  However ... considering the quad/three wheeler witness states that Lindsey was wearing her bathing suit ... not jeans and a hoodie ... I do not believe the sighting on the quad/three wheeler took place after 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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07-01-2009, 11:29 AM

... I had heard from a friend who works at the ORV park that someone thinks they saw Lindsey on one of the trails in Capital Forest on Saturday wearing a pink floral bathing suit and with a man on a quad or 3 wheeler. My friend said they've been doing searches in that area and checking every vehicle coming in and out as best they can.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=16


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:04:17 AM
I am inclined to give LE the benefit of the doubt that the search had a credible foundation of suspicion or a judge would never have approved the warrant.

Considering LE concedes that nothing which appears to be case related was found in the search ... I cannot comprehend why it is claimed that a member of this family is being framed.  I assume that framed would imply that planted evidence would have be located.  Also ... the neighbours appear to uphold the family.

It has not been revealed ... as far as I know ... what the "wrong" answer the young man gave LE.  Could it be that the wrong answer arouse suspicion and therefore it was the catalyst which resulted in the search warrant.

The LE appear to be damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Janet

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Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

Pimentel said the next step is sending the dozens of boxes and bags of evidence on to the state’s crime lab for forensic analysis.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:06:11 AM
Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:11:06 AM
Updated Sep 29, 2009 - 8:07 pm
Person of interest in girl's disappearance


Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsey Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:12:09 AM
I have believe from the getgo that there must have been a credible foundation for the search this past weekend.  A judge would not have approved the warrant otherwise.

Nevertheless ... it has to be remembered that the guage is on "person of interest" not "suspect".

IF the pornographic material that was seized was child porn ... a "person of interest" label is justified.

Janet


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:14:17 AM
I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

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doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:16:33 AM
I realize that child porn possession is illegal but ... so is possession of illegal drugs and ... it does not appear there was any arrest.

Why would adult porn be seized during the search?

Thanks

Janet

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doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: September 28, 2009, 12:33:26 AM »


<snipped>

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


OLYMPIA, Wash. -- After two days of intense searching at a home and property outside McCleary, investigators said it appears they found no significant evidence that will help find 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The owner of the property told KIRO 7 reporter Richard Thompson that he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.

Baum’s mother said she is disappointed that nothing was found relating to her daughter, who has been missing for three months.

"I was obviously really hoping something would come from the search," said Melissa Baum.

Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

The homeowner of the property said his family has been unfairly targeted in the search, "they didn't find anything here because we didn't do anything to that little girl."

Relatives confirm a man at the house was the focus of the investigation and search. One of his relatives said, "the only reason they were doing this search is, he gave a wrong answer to a question by a detective on the telephone."

Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

Lindsey's mother said she understands the family's frustration, but her daughter's life is at stake.

"If they end up being completely innocent, I'm sorry. But at the same time, my daughter is missing," she said.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:21:08 AM
ACCORDING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ... IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION ...


KIRO TV - SEPTEMBER 28, 2009


Detectives insisted Monday they were acting on credible evidence when they got the search warrant for the property on Friday.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html


DAILY WORLD - SEPTEMBER 27, 2009

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:25:10 AM
DD, if I read correctly, you learned the family contacted LE and asked if they wanted them to come in as well as search their property.  But they never heard back from them until the search warrants were executed.  Do  you have any idea why that was?
TIA


 ::MonkeyConfused::

The implication appears to be that Kona and family realized that they were one of the areas of focus in the investigation and ... were not opposed to an search of their home and property.

I cannot comprehend the threatened lawsuit.

What am I missing?

Janet
 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:27:16 AM
So when all is said and done ... Marilyn Lachester was not fabricating in her account regarding an unidentified/unknown person in a white vehicle who appeared to be stalking young girls.

Could it be that her other comments revealed the truth regarding the troubling dynamics in the Baum household?

Janet

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mlachester:
 
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:28:38 AM
KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:30:01 AM
A PERSON OF INTEREST

Updated Sep 29, 2009 - 8:07 pm
Person of interest in girl's disappearance


Investigators now call the man whose home was searched over the weekend in the Lindsey Baum case a person of interest.

Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office says they are not calling the man a suspect, "There were a number of things, I think in general terms, it was just some inconsistencies with respect to what he had said."

Shumate says evidence gathered at his home still needs to be analyzed. The man was interviewed by police and then released.

The man has now threatened suit against law enforcement for being wrongfully targeted.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=218861



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:32:54 AM
Homeowner Posts List Of Items Seized In McCleary Search
Posted: 7:42 am PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 8:34 am PDT October 2, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A McCleary homeowner angry over a search for evidence in a missing girl case has posted a list of items police took from the home.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21181508/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:36:30 AM
Considering the truth regarding the disappearance of Lindsey Baum is not known ... I feel that each Monkey on the forum should "feel" the freedom to speculate in his/her own way. 

I believe with all my heart that LE has a foundation from which suspicion of this young man has been drawn from ... suspicion that has deemed him a person of interest.  Something akin to many persons of interest in criminal cases ... the investigative process will either clear this young man or ... it will determine if he is a suspect.

However ... when I consider the witness sighting of Lindsey at Maple and Fifth ... minutes from home ... minutes from Mom and brother ... I believe the focus of the investigation should have be closer to home prior to moving outward.  Considering Melissa B and Josh B. were waiting at the end of Lindsey journey ... considering the known family dynamics ...  were these two ever deemed at some point in time persons of interest?

Janet
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MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:39:16 AM
I believe that a search warrant was justified but ... everything outliked in the following article was known to LE from the getgo.  What took LE three months to obtain a search warrant.  If this young many was involved in wrongdoing in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... he was afforded three months to destroy the evidences.

Janet

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Why McCleary Man Is Person Of Interest In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 4:05 pm PDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 4:26 pm PDT October 2, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Court documents released Friday revealed what led police to consider a McCleary man a person of interest in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Police last week searched a home where the man lives to look for evidence in the case.

According to a search warrant affidavit prepared by prosecutors, the man gave four different stories about his whereabouts the night Baum disappeared.

Police said the man exhibited strange behavior, including a disturbing statement he made to a friend the day after Baum disappeared.

"A friend said that he thought she had been kidnapped, killed and cut-up, as I recall," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

The documents also indicated a car similar to the one the man drives was seen nearby at the time of Lindsey's disappearance. Friends said the man was obsessed with the case and that he was pulled over by police after following Lindsey's Baum's mother through town.

The sheriff's office said it knows the search was hard on the family that lives in the home, but deputies said they are "doing everything in our power and our legal authority to find Lindsey Baum."

The man's family said police found nothing of significance during the search because the man is innocent.

A family member told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson that the man "didn't do it."

"When he does talk about it, he cries because he's not that kind of a person," said the family member who did not want to be identified.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 during a walk home from her friend's house.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21186766/detail.html




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
Search warrants are now online:

http://www.kirotv.com/download/2009/1002/21186351.pdf




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:43:46 AM
PERSON OF INTEREST
Police probe conflicting alibis in Baum case

A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News. A detective also wrote that he believes the girl was kidnapped.

Video:
http://www.komonews.com/news/63303447.html?video=pop&t=a



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:46:09 AM
The following article was posted on KING 5 website at 10:45 PM last night ... just prior to the 11:00 news where the contents were revealed.

Janet

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NOT A PERSON OF INTEREST

Family feels targeted in missing McCleary girl's case
10:45 PM PDT on Friday, October 2, 2009
By TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - A McCleary family claims they're unfairly targeted and harassed by police officers connected to the case of missing Lindsey Baum.

Friday, a tearful mother and an angry father defended their son who was the subject of a search warrant at their rural McCleary home, related to the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Court documents released Friday relate why detectives believed the son could be Baum's kidnapper.

Witnesses told detectives that the man obsessed about Baum's disappearance and expressed his belief that a girl had been "dismembered."

Officers, however, found nothing nothing to back that up.

According to court papers, witnesses also reportedly told officers they saw the man's car near where Baum disappeared on June 26 in McCleary.

A month later, officers pulled over the same man for following the mother of the missing girl around town.

While officers executed these search warrants last week, Melissa Baum continued to hope for a break in the case.

"There's hope. I know she's alive and she'll come home," she said.

According to court documents, the man also gave detectives several different stories about his whereabouts when Baum disappeared.

The man's parents told KING 5 that their son got confused because detectives interviewed him more than a month after Baum vanished. Therefore, he apparently could not remember many specific details that far back.

Court documents show detectives seized property from the man's home last weekend, including computers, paperwork, drug paraphernalia and a sex toy.

Detectives say they now have no suspect or person-of-interest, but they do have a lot of leads and a girl who seemingly vanished without a trace.

The affidavit for the search warrant also says that the man was a former suspect in the attempted rape of a child when he was 14, but he was not given a formal decision in the case.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:49:04 AM
A certain aspect of a this young man charater is revealed in that myspace name and ... then when you consider the attempted rape allegation of a 12 year old girl ...

Janet

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http://www.myspace.com/fuckyoualldaylonghoe



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:54:21 AM
FBI INVOLVEMENT

Quote from: Northern Rose on October 03, 2009, 02:51:27 PM

Police probe conflicting alibis in Baum case
Story Published: Oct 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM PDT
Story Updated: Oct 2, 2009 at 10:53 PM PDT


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- A man's conflicting stories to acquaintances were among the factors that led to the issuance of a search warrant in the Lindsey Baum case, according to an affidavit in support of the warrant obtained by KOMO News.

The court documents identify as a person of interest a man connected to the properties searched last week.

Writing in the affidavit filed in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, a detective said he believed Lindsey had been kidnapped and that evidence would be found at the properties.

Lindsey disappeared the evening of June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary.

According to the affidavit, a person contacted investigators more than a month after the girl disappeared with information that led detectives to identify the man as a person of interest.

The tipster said the man always drove a distinctive car with a loud exhaust, and found it suspicious that the man stopped driving the vehicle after Lindsey disappeared.

Another person told detectives that they saw the vehicle near where Lindsey was last seen the night she vanished.

One person told police the man acted strangely after the night of Lindsey's disappearance and seemed to disappear himself.

"(The person said) that his behavior had changed since the day of the disappearance. He had not come around as much," said Sgt. Steve Shumate with the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office.

But what really sparked the detective's interest is what the young man allegedly told his girlfriend the day after Lindsey disappeared.

"(He) told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered," according to the search warrant.

At that point, however, even detectives didn't believe Lindsey had been a victim of a crime.

"The media and investigators did not believe that Baum was a victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance," the document said.

"For somebody to make a statement of that nature the following day of this disappearance, it is very unusual," Shumate said.

Detectives have not found any evidence to indicate the missing girl is no longer alive.

According to the court document, detectives have received multiple conflicting statements about where the person of interest was on the night of June 26.

Investigators wrote that the man told them he was working a second job at the time, but the business told detectives he hadn't
been there in weeks.

KOMO News is not naming the man since he has not been arrested.

The search warrants were served Sept. 25 at several properties in the McCleary area.

At one site, FBI investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed about one mile southwest of McCleary.

Among the Items seized were two sex toys, several used condoms, a bag of children's clothing, computers, bed sheets, blankets, and a newspaper with a story about Lindsey.

Anxious mother, searchers not giving up hope

Back at search headquarters, waiting is torture for Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum. But on Friday, Melissa was hopeful after learning police have a person of interest.

"I'm hoping they'll find her and give her back," she said.

Three months and one week after her 11-year-old daughter vanished on her walk home, locals are determined not to let up on the hunt for clues.

"It could happen to anyone, and (I) hope they'd be there for me, too," said Rebecca Watts.

Volunteers from all over the region, from Packwood to Seattle have joined in the search. Jen Page is a mother who drove 90 miles to help look for Lindsey.

"I can easily imagine how how hard it is, and this is the least I can do," she said.

Searchers plan to continue looking for the missing girl throughout the weekend.

Some staff members of "The Oprah Show" met with Melissa Baum on Friday, but it is not yet known for certain whether the case will receive national coverage

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63303447.html




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:56:57 AM
THE ALIBI?

KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 29, 2009

KOMO News has learned the young man was working at the Bee Hive Retirement Center at the time of the 11-year-old girl's disappearance. The girl was last seen in front of the center.

The man's family members and his next-door neighbor say he was at home when the girl vanished.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/62753227.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 12:58:13 AM
MomTective at WS typed out the full search warrant.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89690&page=18


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quote
Originally Posted by momtective 
It's taken me hours and there are probably typos but here is the text version of the affidavit.
If you find a typo, please fix it if you quote the post. I've gotta run get a kid from work but I'll look over it again when I get back in a few.

All I can really say is...the mother of the 12 year old from 2000 should have her azz kicked for not believing her daughter and putting Golder away when she had the chance. Golder and his GF Steph whatever her last name is are both lying...we know this from the myspace pages...she acts like she's a casual acquaintance but we know better. My last thought is, there is no way Golder is not a POI, no way!



I am a detective with Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s Office and am currently assigned to the Investigations Division. On June 27th, 2009 at about 1:30 am Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Deputies responded to assist McCleary Police Department in locating a missing child named Lindsey Baum. Baum who was 10 years old was last seen on Maple Street near 6th Street in McCleary at about 9:30pm. She was last known to be wearing a blue long sleeve shirt, blue jeans, black shoes, and a mismatched bikini style swim suit. She was walking east on Maple Street from the Campen residence towards her residence on Momensen Road in McCleary. An extensive search was conducted over the next weeks by law enforcement, search and rescue volunteers, canine teams, and citizens.
Baum could not be located nor has any evidence been located. The incident became a criminal investigation concerning the apparent kidnapping of Baum. Located on Maple Street between 5th and 6th Street is Beehive Retirement Center. Baum is familiar with the center because her friend_________’s mother Libby Nelson works there. As part of the investigation employees and residents were interviewed about what they knew about Baum and her disappearance. Several of the staff and residents were familiar with Baum and her friend_____ because Baum walked by the retirement center to and from her friend Campen’s residence on Maple Street. None knew anything about her disappearance, nor had they seen her the night of June 26th, 2009. Not all of the employees were available to interview at the time the investigators were on site.

On 07-29-09 a concerned citizen named_________contacted investigators and wanted to report that a subject named Dale Golder worked at the Beehive retirement center. Sample said that Dale drove a small white car with loud exhaust. Sample said that Golder usually drove his car through town numerous times a day. He said that for several weeks after the Baum girl disappeared Golder wasn’t in town driving like he normally did. Sample found this suspicious. Sample identified another resident in McCleary who was familiar with Golder’s vehicle and driving habits.
Mantes was contacted and told investigators that Golder drove a small white sports car with loud exhaust. Mentes said Golder drove around town on a regular basis. He also told investigators that on the night of June 26th 2009 at about 10:00pm he saw a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple street in McCleary that he thought was Golder’s. He did not see who was driving the vehicle and thought nothing of it because seeing Golder driving around was normal. Golder is the registered owner of the white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington License______

One of the employees who was not working at the Center that night had been identified as Golder. He is an aide at the Center and is scheduled for various shifts as a “fill in.” Golder was on regularly scheduled days off on June 26th 2009 and June 27, 2009. Attempts were made to contact him on July 29, 2009 for a telephone interview to see if he had any information about Baum based on Mentes observation of what appeared to be his vehicle in McCleary on the night and at about the time Baum was last seen.

Tena Golder, Dale Golder’s mother told investigators he was asleep at the time the investigators called on July 29, 2009. She was asked to have him call an investigator when he woke up. His mother called about 30 minutes later and said that Dale had gotten up and left the residence in his vehicle. According to his mother, when she had told him that an investigator wanted a call he said he had nothing to tell the investigator because he was not working at the Retirement Center that night. His mother provided Dale’s cell phone number to the investigator.

The investigator telephoned him and Dale said he had not worked at the Center that day. When asked where he was on the evening of June 26, 2009 he said he was working at his second job at a youth camp near Olympia. The investigator contacted _____Supervisor at the youth camp. She stated that Golder was not working on the night of June 26, 2009. When asked if she was certain, she said she was because she had suspended Golder for two weeks prior to June 26, 2009 for misbehavior. She said she had been involved in a traffic collision and could not walk. She said while she was recuperating at home other employees in the camp kitchen telephoned her and complained that Golder was not doing his work and was being disruptive. She said she telephoned him and told him to go home for two weeks until she could return. She said she told him he needed to take that time to think about whatever he really wanted to work at the camp or not. She stated that she had sent Golder home for a shift at a time without pay in the past for misbehavior. Golder later confirmed that he had been suspended from June 7, 2008 through June 27, 2009. He returned to working at the camp on June 28, 2009.

On 07-31-09 just after Midnight Melissa Baum, the mother of the missing girl reported to police she was being followed around by a white vehicle. Officers stopped and found that Golder was driving it. He claimed he was at work when he saw Melissa’s Baum’s vehicle around the Beehive Retirement Center. He thought it was suspicious so he followed it around thinking it might be connected with Baum’s disappearance. He did not call police to report the suspicious vehicle.

Investigators interviewed a co-worker of Golder’s. She said that on two separate nights near the end of July, 2009 Golder told her that a Silver Honda Del Sol was cruising around the Beehive. Golder pointed it out to her one night and said he thought the occupants of the silver Honda were going to steel parts from his Del Sol.
Bryson claimed that Golder tried to get a license number but could not. She said the next night the vehicle was back and Golder left work to follow it. She said he told her that he called the police about it. He did not tell her he was following Melissa Baum or that the police stopped him.

While looking into Golder’s background it was discovered that in 2000 he was a suspect in the attempted rape of a child. The case was located under McCleary Police department case number 00MC0014. Golder was 14 years old at the time of the incident. It was determined that the victim of the assault was named ____________, she was 12 years old at the time. No reports of this incident appear to exist except a computer entry.
Investigators attempted to locate ____________. They first located her mother. Initially the mothe rsaid nothing like this ever happened involving her daughter. She was pressed and given details and she stated she didn’t believe anything had happened to her daughter. She said that when the police arrived to speak to her daughter her daughter told police nothing had happened.

Investigators then contacted_______________. She stated that in 2000 she and her two brothers were being babysat by Golder. She said her mother was good friends with Tena Golder. She said that while Golder watched pornographic videos and had her, her brothers and Dales younger brother watch the videos. He asked her to have sex with him and she refused. One day he took her to his room and barricaded the door with a large dresser. He removed her pants and the removed his pants and tried to have sexual intercourse with her. She said that she cried and struggled and after two hours he released her. She said she told friends about what happened whom she believed told school officials at Elma school district. It was reported to the police. Her mother found out about the incident. _______said her mother told her it would be her word against his and discouraged her from telling the police the truth. When the police officer spoke to her she said she told him nothing happened.

A search warrant for Golders cellular telephone records for a month prior and a month after June 26, 2009 was obtained. When the records were analyzed it was learned that Golder was texting and calling a number in eastern Washington repeatedly from about noon on 06-26-09 until 9:26pm. There was in excess of 50 contacts to this number that suddenly stopped at 9:26pm. ___________received a cellular call from a subject identified as ___________at 1:11am (06-27-09) that had a duration of 2 minutes. After that he did not make a call until 6:12am. This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown _______. He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight to 1:00am each day.

Investigators determined that the number he was calling and texting belonged to a Stephanie Calica, who resides in Ellenburg, WA. She was contacted and interviewed. They determined that Stephanie Calica knew Golder when she went to Elma High School. She moved to Michigan in 2002. She maintained contact with people in Elma including Dale via the internet. She said she moved back to Washington State at the end of May 2009 and let people know she had moved. She said that on 06-26-09 she decided to give Golder her telephone number. She said that they began to text and talk that day. She was asked why the contact stopped at 9:30pm. She said that it stopped because Golder went to work at 10:00pm. When asked she admitted that after that day she had lengthy conversations with Golder while he was at work at the retirement center. She said that Golder had talked to her the day after the girl was reported missing and that he was very concerned about something like this happening in his town. She said that when she spoke to him the day after this was reported (she believed it was Saturday or early Sunday 29/07-2009) Golder told her he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered. It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance (June 29 to July 3-4, 2009). It was initially believed she might be a run-away or had been injured and unable to get help. Stephani described Golder as being “over the top” and obsessively talking about Baum and what had happened to her; specifically that he believed she has been kidnapped and murdered. Stephanie said that he became less obsessed as July wore on. He then got very agitated about it again when he talked to the investigator about the case the end of July. Steph said that Dale was very upset that the investigators were talking to people about him and was obsessing about the girl. Detective Organ asked Stephanie when was the last time she actually saw Golder and she said it was the summer of 2002. She later told detectives that Golder had driven to Ellensburg on 07-16-09 and that she had to take him back to Elma because his car broke down. She said she stayed with him in MCCleary until 07-20-09

On 08-26-08 investigators saw ___________in McCleary and contacted him about this case. He was asked to relate everything he had done from the time he got up on 06-26-09. He wrote a brief paragraph about going to a neighbor’s house____________) next door and planting tomatoes and having a BBQ. He said he went home about 9:00pm to watch television, but “passed out” and woke up in the morning. He claimed that he had been home and had not been in the town of McCleary that night. He claimed not to know Lindsey Baum and had never seen her before.


Further investigation revealed that_____ resides in a shop on his property outside of the town of McCleary. He rents the house on the property to a subject named _______________. _____________as interviewed and it was learned that he planted his garden near a garden that Golder had planted. Both gardens are located between the house and the shop on the property. ____________________stated that he had planted his garden the last week of May or the first week of June. He said that Golder had planted his garden weeks before he did. When asked why he was sure of this he said it was because he and Golder had discussed the progress of their tomato plants. He said that his had developed into much better plants than Golder's, even though they were planted later. He said that until the evening of Wednesday August 26, 2009 or Thursday August 27, 2009 he had only seen Golder around the shop maybe once or twice all summer. He said that after those dates Golder sometimes--------------had been at Hardy’s residence talking to him almost every evening. The increased visits coincide with_____________being interviewed on 08-26-09. Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur.

Investigators interviewed ________________. He stated that he had a BBQ on 06-26-09. He said Golder and a woman named ___________had attended. Investigators believed she had been at ___________, on 06-26-09 when Golder was present. She agreed to meet with investigators in person for an interview.

I believe there is probable cause to believe Lindsey Baum has been kidnapped and that evidence of that crime as described on the face of this affidavit will be found on the premises and in the vehicles described on the face of this affidavit.

Based on the foregoing information, I respectfully request a search warrant be issued for the premises and in the vehicles listed on the face of this affidavit to search for evidence described on the face of this affidavit. I have read the foregoing, know the contents thereof and believe the same to be true.

In order to execute this warrant substantial planning will be required to coordinate special search equipment and personnel, such as ground penetrating radar, specially trained search dogs and forensic personnel which would include the use of FBI employees. Public release of this application and warrant may allow evidence to be destroyed, moved, or altered while the execution is organized and coordinated between various Washington and Federal law enforcement agencies. I am requesting that the application and warrants be sealed until it has been served and a return filed or more than 10 days have passed after issuance of the warrants.



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 01:05:51 AM
Search Warrants & Evidence Reciepts

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6206.0


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 11:12:11 AM
After three months ... I wonder why the LE found no hard evidence.  The foundational evidence that justified a judge signing off on the search warrant was known very early on in the investigation.

Janet

++++++

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009

MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 04, 2009, 11:19:41 AM
I have no idea what is going on Janet, maybe they have the right guy with Dale, but they haven't found where the crime has been commited if indeed Dale had something to do with it. Maybe Dale didn't have anything to do with it, but may know something. This is just very confusing  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
SEARCH WARRANT

Warrants released in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Saturday, October 3, 2009 2:17 AM PDT


 newly released search warrant in the case for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum outlines suspicious activity and inconsistent statements that led investigators to a home outside McCleary last weekend.

The warrant includes statements from friends and family regarding a man at the residence in connection with strange phone activity, disturbing conversations involving Lindsey, conflicting alibis and a past accusation of sexual assault.

In the court filing, investigators say they believe Lindsey has been kidnapped, and after what they have refered to as a “credible” tip, believed they would find evidence of her kidnapping at the home.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office has since announced it could not find any evidence of wrongdoing. Some forensic samples taken at the home and a neighboring property on Sept. 25 along Foreman Road still await testing. Results could take months.

Lindsey went missing on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house in McCleary along a house-lined street at dusk. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The search warrant, released Friday, lists dozens of items investigators were looking for as potential evidence, ranging from clothing matching Lindsey’s to weapons to cars on the property.

Attempts to contact the man and family members Friday via e-mail were not returned.

In news reports after the search warrants were executed, the owner of the property said he’s contacted a lawyer about suing the police and the media, saying they had no right to put the family through the search.
 
Much of the warrant lists suspicious reports focusing on a man at the home, who is not being named because he has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

Investigators say he fixated on Lindsey’s disappearance in the days after she went missing and made disturbing comments about believing the girl had been murdered when most authorities still thought her to be lost.

“(The man) told (a friend) he could not believe that a girl had been taken and cut up and dismembered,” the warrant stated. “It should be noted that the media and investigators did not believe that Baum was the victim of a crime until the week following her disappearance.”

A friend also reported the man became “agitated” when investigators questioned him about the case, the warrant stated. He “obsessed” about Lindsey and the possibility she had been kidnapped, the court papers said.

The warrant also lists the man as a suspect in an alleged attempted rape in 2000 when he was a teenager. The man allegedly allowed several children to watch pornography before barricading a 12-year-old girl in a room and trying to rape her. The girl’s friends reported the alleged assault, but the girl declined to make a statement to police at the time.

“She said that she cried and struggled and after about two hours he released her,” the alleged victim recently told investigators when interviewed because of the Baum case.

The warrant states police officers also stopped the man on July 31 when Lindsey’s mother reported his vehicle following her. The man said he thought the mother had been acting suspiciously.

A car similar to the man’s vehicle was reportedly seen shortly before Lindsey’s disappearance near the intersection on Maple Street where she was last spotted, according to the warrant. The man also worked part-time at a business nearby, one that Baum had been in often.

When contacted by investigators, the man reported he had been at a second job in Olympia on the night of the disappearance, according to the warrant. The man’s supervisor at that job told investigators the man was suspended during that time and could not have been working.

When confronted with the inconsistency, the man provided a second alibi that investigators could not verify.

The warrant also outlines suspicious phone activity that stops suddenly at about the time Lindsey disappeared.

“This is contrary to the pattern of cell phone usage shown in (the man’s) cell phone records,” the warrant stated. “He normally has frequent cell phone activity until at least midnight or 1 a.m. each day.”

A person identifying him or herself as a friend of the man’s family in an online forum said the family has always cooperated with investigators and has actively tried to help with the search for Lindsey.

“Someone has found someone to blame,” the poster wrote. “This is ridiculous.”

The poster said the family has been upset by the allegations and has had people trespassing on the property since the searches were launched.

“This is all utter nonsense,” the poster wrote.

Lindsey Baum is 4-foot-9 with brown eyes and brown hair. She was wearing a blue shirt and jeans when she disappeared.

Anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum should call 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us. Information may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, 98557.

The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum at: http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm.

http://**/articles/2009/10/03/local_news/doc4ac708ecc05e8423735653.txt

Credit: Northern Rose


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
Quote from: Northern Rose on October 04, 2009, 06:54:08 PM

Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home


islandmonkey
Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
« Reply #1940 on: October 04, 2009, 07:08:44 PM »


This is what I got at that link:

 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Sno Co-south Div  S87-02590  07-27-1987
3 Golder, Dale
Plaintiff  Pierce Co Superior  06-2-08292-9  06-02-2006
4 Golder, Dale A
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  Y6-2-0909  06-15-2006
5 Golder, Dale A
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  01-9-80004-5  01-11-2001
6 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Mccleary Municipal  C00001969  05-05-2008
7 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  C00002958  10-08-2007
8 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #1  CR0040360  06-13-2006
9 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Montesano Municipal  I00006959  04-24-2006
10 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Hoquiam Municipal  I00011983  05-17-2006
11 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Elma Municipal  I00033335  10-08-2007
12 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  I05930417  03-02-2009
13 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068651  01-17-2006
14 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  Grays Harbor Dist #2  IN0068887  02-22-2006
15 Golder, Dale Allen
Defendant  G H Co Superior  00-8-00408-5

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.msg970262#msg970262
 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
Quote from: Leroy on October 04, 2009, 06:59:44 PM

Q13 FOX News
 
After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case

October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance.

Saturday dozens headed for McCleary to continue the search for Lindsey. Volunteers said they'd like to see the family get some answers. "I just want there to be a peace so this family can find out where she's at" said Megan Griensewic.

The girl's mother, Melssa Baum, admits the last few months have been a nightmare "it's tough but we have to keep going, I'm not going to stop looking for her." Baum says Saturday's search was the largest turnout of volunteers they've had since the girl went missing. About 80 people showed up, some came from as far away as Renton. "It feels wonderful I'm immensely grateful to everybody"

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story?track=rss



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on October 04, 2009, 07:37:39 PM

Is there any way of checking out what these charges are all about.

Janet



islandmonkey
Re: Lindsey Baum # 5 9/28/09 -
« Reply #1974 on: October 04, 2009, 07:42:56 PM »


Doesn't look like it unless you order them:

Disclaimer

This information is provided for use as reference material and is not the official court record. The official court record is maintained by the court of record. Copies of case file documents are not available at this website and will need to be ordered from the court of record.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.1960



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
KarmaRound
Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2009, 10:03:45 PM »


MomTective put up this post at WS involving the names mentioned in the search warrants of people who live on Foreman and North Sand Creek RD.
See what you all think.
Post # 244

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.40


+++++++++


Yesterday, 06:23 PM
momtective

These are the people mentioned in the SW
Marc Hardy
Brinton Bowen
Ralke

Marc Hardy & a female last name Smith live at 173 N Sand Creek Rd
Marc is Owner of All American Concrete Line Pumping per 411.com
On the parcel search the property is owned by TJ & NK K******

Brinton Bowen has 2 addresses listed
1513 State Route 8 E and 149 Foreman (could be before and after 911 address)

Golder lives at 149 Foreman with mom TG & dad DC or CD Golder.
TG owns parcels 180523230050 185 Sand Creek Rd and 180523230040A & 180523230040B both properties list 149 FOREMAN RD as the address. TG owns 3 properties total.

I'm thinking the Ralke is actually a mistake. I think the name MARC was said to and misunderstood by the typist of the Affidavit.

These are pics of the property at 173 Sand Creek Rd ...

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=10


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:26:07 AM
When the absence of the pornographic magazines from the list of seized items is considered ... could it be that DD did not get permission from KONA to list all the items that were siezed by authorities during the search.  In other words ... in the absence of a released official receipt ... do we have the whole story?  Maybe DD would clarify.

Janet

++++++++

This is for the house with occupants

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-evidrec1.jpg)

1 Black electrical tape from truck tool box
1 Fuji film Disp. Carmera
1 Pair of white men's tennis shoes from trash in Sunroom
4 Ind. men's shorts from trash in Sunroom
1 Pair white & red Men's tennis shoes from trash in Sunroom
1 (? can't read word) Bag with green vegetation from garage
1 Compaq tower from Office
1 Red mesh thong from file cabinet in shop
3 Used condoms from trash Sunroom
1 Phillip cd burner from cabinet in carport
1 Fuji Disp camera from Office
1 Vivitive vivi camera Office
1 Mustek mp3/4 Player
1 Receipts/Ind. Sunroom (? can't read word)



doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1808 on: Today at 12:33:26 AM »


I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.  

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.

Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.

the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg960665#msg960665


Family Says They Are Unfairly Targeted In McCleary Search
Posted: 4:29 pm PDT September 28, 2009
Updated: 7:40 pm PDT September 28, 2009


Law enforcement sources told KIRO 7 that among the evidence collected during the search were condoms and pornographic magazines. A car was also seized and will undergo further forensic testing.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21142578/detail.html



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:27:43 AM
Well, Seattle KOMO4 news lead story says the person who's place was searched last weekend is no longer a POI in the Lindsey Baum case.  They are still awaiting evidence results.  Search did not find any thing new this weekend.  Clothes, animal bones, etc.  Looks like it is back to square one.  Can't wait for DD to come back.  I am really confused now.  shortcake

Could it be that the circumstancial evidence causes suspicion ... justifies a search but ... does not reach a level to be considered a person of interest.

Janet
 
++++++

No "Person of Interest" in McCleary Missing Girl Case

After confirming they were looking at one man, Investigators switch gears and say they don't have hard evidence linking him to the case
Web Reporter

October 3, 2009


MCCLEARY - A man whose family owns two homes searched in connection with missing 11-year old Lindsey Baum is no longer a "person of interest," according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office. One day after investigators confirmed they were looking at the man, they backed-off that label.

The sheriff's office served search warrants last weekend on the two McCleary, WA homes and yards., and the man's car. Investigators say that evidence is now being analyzed at several crime labs. It could take months to get answers and there's still a chance the evidence could implicate the man whose homes were searched.

According to court documents, the man in question changed his story about where he was working on the night of June 26, when the girl disappeared, and was a suspect in the attempted sexual assault of a child in 2000.

According to Sheriff's department documents, investigators took a number of items from the search of the homes and yards, including used condoms, a disposable camera, black electrical tape, a rifle, and newspaper articles about the girl's disappearance

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-100309-missingmclearygirl,0,7030899.story



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:30:50 AM
doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
« Reply #97 on: Today at 12:23:15 AM
»

NOTHING AT ALL was left out of the evidence list, I would NEVER do that.  That would be deceptive.  There is absolutely NOTHING to hide, it's all bs... REALLY it is.  The police have backtracked and they know.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.80

 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:37:07 AM

<snipped>

 
Full Name:  Clifford Golder Date of Birth:  10/31/1960  
AKAs:  Height:  5'8"
Weight:  165 LBS
Hair Color:  GRAY
Eye Color:  BROWN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
 

ADDRESSES 
     
     
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: 961001506
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 9A44089
Offense Description: CHILD MOLESTATION 3  
Conviction Place: GRAYS HARBOR
Date Reported:   
 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:39:58 AM
I'll post the link, but I have no idea, don't want to start something, but it is on WS, and they are running with it.  http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12

I am not a member and ... cannot go any further.

Janet

++++++

Today, 09:09 PM
elepher50

 
Hmmmmm .....
Attached Images Clifford Golder Child Molestation.jpg (63.6 KB, 1 views)

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89778&page=12


[/quote]


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:43:05 AM
Considering the skeletons in their closets ...I cannot comprehend why this family called so much attention onto themselves in regards to the recent search.  If there had been quiet compliance ... the researching of  backgrounds would have been a non issue.  It makes sense that threatening litigation was just asking for what has happened.

The searches that Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel alludes to in the following article went under the media wire.

Janet

+++++

Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:46:19 AM

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/CliffordGolderChildMolestation.jpg)




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:48:33 AM


Dale's parents appear to standing together against what they perceive as the targeting of their son.

Janet

+++++++

Family feels targeted in missing McCleary girl's case
10:45 PM PDT on Friday, October 2, 2009
By TRICIA MANNING-SMITH / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - A McCleary family claims they're unfairly targeted and harassed by police officers connected to the case of missing Lindsey Baum.

Friday, a tearful mother and an angry father defended their son who was the subject of a search warrant at their rural McCleary home, related to the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Court documents released Friday relate why detectives believed the son could be Baum's kidnapper.

Witnesses told detectives that the man obsessed about Baum's disappearance and expressed his belief that a girl had been "dismembered."

Officers, however, found nothing nothing to back that up.

According to court papers, witnesses also reportedly told officers they saw the man's car near where Baum disappeared on June 26 in McCleary.

A month later, officers pulled over the same man for following the mother of the missing girl around town.

While officers executed these search warrants last week, Melissa Baum continued to hope for a break in the case.

"There's hope. I know she's alive and she'll come home," she said.

According to court documents, the man also gave detectives several different stories about his whereabouts when Baum disappeared.

The man's parents told KING 5 that their son got confused because detectives interviewed him more than a month after Baum vanished. Therefore, he apparently could not remember many specific details that far back.

Court documents show detectives seized property from the man's home last weekend, including computers, paperwork, drug paraphernalia and a sex toy.

Detectives say they now have no suspect or person-of-interest, but they do have a lot of leads and a girl who seemingly vanished without a trace.

The affidavit for the search warrant also says that the man was a former suspect in the attempted rape of a child when he was 14, but he was not given a formal decision in the case.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_100209WAB-mccleary-missing-KC.1dc17fa7d.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Wyks
Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
« Reply #187 on: Today at 01:59:52 AM »


Marriage Records:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.180




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 09:59:44 AM

Police Team Searches McCleary Property

Aerial Video:
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21181751/index.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:06:15 AM
Quote from: islandmonkey on Today at 01:56:46 AM

RCW 9A.44.089

Child molestation in the third degree.

</B>(1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim.

(2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony.
[1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.]

Notes:
Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010.

Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010.


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:08:28 AM
Grays Harbor County Assessor's Office
Online Parcel Database
Assessment Information


http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180523230050&ABSeq=




Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:10:39 AM

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 12:54 pm PDT September 25, 2009


A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:21:51 AM

<snipped>

 
Full Name:  Clifford Golder Date of Birth:  10/31/1960  
AKAs:  Height:  5'8"
Weight:  165 LBS
Hair Color:  GRAY
Eye Color:  BROWN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
 

ADDRESSES 
     
     
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: 961001506  
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 9A44089
Offense Description: CHILD MOLESTATION 3  
Conviction Place: GRAYS HARBOR
Date Reported:   
 

According to the record image that Missiontoconvict submitted ... the violation date was March 29, 1996.

Janet

++++++

Missiontoconvict
Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
« Reply #235 on: Today at 03:25:49 AM »


Case Number: 961001506

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.220

 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:27:50 AM
Police: Lindsey Baum's disappearance still a mystery
Story Published: Oct 4, 2009 at 4:26 PM PDT
Story Updated: Oct 4, 2009 at 7:16 PM PDT

MCCLEARY, Wash. - Nine days after executing search warrants at the home of a "person of interest" in the Lindsey Baum disappearance, police now say that person is no longer a target in the case.

The 23-year-old McCleary man initially caught the attention of investigators after he gave conflicting alibis about his whereabouts on June 26, the night Lindsey vanished while walking home from a friend's house.

But after conducting a thorough search of properties owned by his family, detectives say they found nothing that "immediately" implicates him in the case.

The development was a letdown for many who thought the search warrants were a very visible sign of hope that progress was being made in the case of the missing 11-year-old girl.

But without finding any evidence of foul play, authorities said they have no persons of interest and no suspects.

More than three months have elapsed since Lindsey vanished - seemingly into thin air. Scores of volunteers have searched the area surrounding McCleary, a small mill town where everyone knows their neighbors.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott says some material was gathered during last weekend's searches at the McCleary family's properties, but none of it appeared to be incriminating.

"Should results of forensic examination come back positive for this investigation, he would become again someone of interest - but at this point we have no specific person or persons we are looking at," Scott says.

On Friday, about 60 volunteers began a two-day search for any clues in the McCleary area - one of many volunteer searches since Lindsey disappeared.

The searchers found clothes and bones - but it had no relationship to the case.

"The bones were determined to be animal, and the clothing was determined to have been there well beyond the three months that Lindsey has disappeared," Scott says.

The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office says investigators will continue to chase every lead they get.

Meanwhile, the girl's mother, Melissa Baum, says she remains hopeful that Lindsey will be found alive.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63486167.html
 





Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:44:01 AM

From WS:

1 Golder, Don Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 96-2-0439 05-16-1996

2 Golder, Donald C Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y2-2-0432 07-26-2002

3 Golder, Donald CJudgment Debtor G H Co Superior 03-9-00500-4 03-17-2003

4 Golder, Donald C Defendant G H Co Superior 03-2-00449-5 03-17-2003

1 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Clifford Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Clifford Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

5 Golder, Clifford D Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001

6 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 04-2-00171-1 02-06-2004

7 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 96-9-01639-1 09-23-1996

8 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 04-9-00198-8 02-06-2004

9 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 96-1-00150-6 03-29-1996

1 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 05-9-01671-1 09-28-2005

5 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

6 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 99-2-01283-2 11-04-1999

7 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #1 Y0-1-0663 06-15-2000

8 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y8-2-2252 10-29-2008

9 Golder, Tena Marie Defendant Shelton Municipal Ct 44621C 09-09-2003

10 Golder, Tena Marie Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 10:58:11 AM
Consider the Case Numbers differ ... the two cases are unrelated.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
________


Quote from: islandmonkey on Today at 01:06:56 AM

<snipped>

 
Full Name:  Clifford Golder Date of Birth:  10/31/1960
AKAs:  Height:  5'8"
Weight:  165 LBS
Hair Color:  GRAY
Eye Color:  BROWN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
 

ADDRESSES 
     
     
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: 961001506  
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 9A44089
Offense Description: CHILD MOLESTATION 3
Conviction Place: GRAYS HARBOR
Date Reported:


+++++++



from WS:


there is no offense date

CLIFFORD GOLDER
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 10/31/1960
AGE: 48 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165
HEIGHT: 68
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Brown

CASE NUMBER: 754108 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE:
COUNTS: DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: OFFENSE DATE:
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS:
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
FINES:

-----------------------------

Soooooooo... the offense occured in Nevada, but was handled in a Washington court? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::

 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 05, 2009, 11:06:02 AM
Considering the case numbers differ ... it can be assumed that this guy has a history in regards to the violation of children.

Janet

+++++++


from WS:


there is no offense date

CLIFFORD GOLDER
RACE: White
SEX: Male
DOB: 10/31/1960
AGE: 48 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 165
HEIGHT: 68
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Brown

CASE NUMBER: 754108 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
WA Dept of Corrections ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: WA
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE:
COUNTS: DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: WA
CHARGES FILED ON: OFFENSE DATE:
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS:
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE: NV CHILD SEX
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: WA Dept of Corrections
FINES:

-----------------------------

Soooooooo... the offense occured in Nevada, but was handled in a Washington court? 

 ::MonkeyConfused::




 Full Name:  Clifford Golder Date of Birth:  10/31/1960
AKAs:  Height:  5'8"
Weight:  165 LBS
Hair Color:  GRAY
Eye Color:  BROWN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
 

ADDRESSES 
     
     

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: 961001506  
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 9A44089
Offense Description: CHILD MOLESTATION 3
Conviction Place: GRAYS HARBOR
Date Reported:   
 


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 11:43:19 AM
I spent over an hour trying to figure this out but am just too tired to think straight.  It's probably something you smart monkeys knew from the get-go anyway.  I was searching at www.ussearch.com and saw this:

      Melissa Baum  Melissa C Baum  Melissa Pierpiont  Melissa Pierpoint  Melissa C Pierpoint  Melissa Carol Pierpoint       38  37  36                   Mccleary, WA  Union City, TN  Olympia, WA  Lacey, WA  Martin, TN  Sharon, TN  Tumwater, WA  Tacoma, WA  Greenfield, TN       Gregory Scott Baum  Joshua S Baum  Tena Weyland Baum

Relatives are in bold.  Tena Baum? 

Good Morning Monkeys!

Is Tena a common name?  I have never heard the name prior to the recent Lindsey Baum dialogue.

Considering KONA appeared to be implicating Melissa Baum in the disappearance of Lindsey in her posts and ... considering Dale Golder was apparently "obsessed" with the case and was stalking Melissa Baum ... could there be a connection somewhere between the Baum and Golder family?

Could it be that Tena has previously been married to a Baum?  According to records ... Tena and Clifford were married in 1983.

Just speculating.  Could our researchers do their thing.  Please.

Janet

+++++


Tena Golder's maiden name is Tena M. Vaughn.




Wyks
Re: Lindsey Baum # 6 10/4/09 -
« Reply #187 on: Today at 01:59:52 AM »


Marriage Records:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=6965A9B997FBA7B5C94F082C26D26D6C

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6192.180



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 06, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
Some more thoughts regarding my last post and ... then I am out the door.

IF there is a Baum/Golder connection ...

1.  Could it be that Tena (KONA) and her son were persuing a mission on behalf of a family member ... a forumer family member ... to put pressure on Melissa Baum to reveal aspects of her daughter's disappearance that she has kept to herself and ... to also put the focus of suspicion on Melissa Baum via the forums?

2.  Could the mission be what is behind the reason that KONA was the initiator of the Harry Oakes search ... a search apparently Melissa Baum would not authorize.

3.  Could it be that in the process of the mission ... KONA and her son brought unwanted attenion onto themselves and ... ultimately led to suspicion by the LE?

4.  Could it be that all of KONA's efforts were derived from a sincere desire for the truth to pervail in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

5.  Could it be that Tamikosmom could use some fresh air on this beautifull Autumn's day?

I am gone.

Janet


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2009, 11:31:08 AM

I believe you will find that Tena W. Baum is not related to anyone in McCleary or the surrounding areas, as I recall she is an ex-wife of Lindsey's father.  But, I could be mistaken.



Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: Jademoff on October 18, 2009, 02:50:05 PM
Some more thoughts regarding my last post and ... then I am out the door.

IF there is a Baum/Golder connection ...

1.  Could it be that Tena (KONA) and her son were persuing a mission on behalf of a family member ... a forumer family member ... to put pressure on Melissa Baum to reveal aspects of her daughter's disappearance that she has kept to herself and ... to also put the focus of suspicion on Melissa Baum via the forums?

2.  Could the mission be what is behind the reason that KONA was the initiator of the Harry Oakes search ... a search apparently Melissa Baum would not authorize.

3.  Could it be that in the process of the mission ... KONA and her son brought unwanted attenion onto themselves and ... ultimately led to suspicion by the LE?

4.  Could it be that all of KONA's efforts were derived from a sincere desire for the truth to pervail in regards to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

5.  Could it be that Tamikosmom could use some fresh air on this beautifull Autumn's day?

I am gone.

Janet

o.O

No relation between Miss Kona and Melissa :)


Title: Re: FOREMAN ROAD SEARCH
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on October 22, 2009, 05:43:04 AM

From WS:

1 Golder, Don Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 96-2-0439 05-16-1996

2 Golder, Donald C Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y2-2-0432 07-26-2002

3 Golder, Donald CJudgment Debtor G H Co Superior 03-9-00500-4 03-17-2003

4 Golder, Donald C Defendant G H Co Superior 03-2-00449-5 03-17-2003

1 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Clifford Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Clifford Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Clifford Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

5 Golder, Clifford D Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001

6 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 04-2-00171-1 02-06-2004

7 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 96-9-01639-1 09-23-1996

8 Golder, Clifford D Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 04-9-00198-8 02-06-2004

9 Golder, Clifford D Defendant G H Co Superior 96-1-00150-6 03-29-1996

1 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y5-2-1510 09-01-2005

2 Golder, Tena Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y7-2-1788 08-16-2007

3 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 06-2-00212-8 02-24-2006

4 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 05-9-01671-1 09-28-2005

5 Golder, Tena Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 06-9-00350-2 02-24-2006

6 Golder, Tena Defendant G H Co Superior 99-2-01283-2 11-04-1999

7 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #1 Y0-1-0663 06-15-2000

8 Golder, Tena M Defendant Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y8-2-2252 10-29-2008

9 Golder, Tena Marie Defendant Shelton Municipal Ct 44621C 09-09-2003

10 Golder, Tena Marie Petitioner Grays Harbor Dist #2 Y1-2-D001 01-03-2001

Bump