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Title: Elizabeth Olten #1 10/22/09 - 10/29/09
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2009, 10:22:31 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2009, 10:31:22 AM
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15293&author=Adam%20Forgie&category=Missing%20Person&franchise=&county=Cole&city=Argyle&partner=


St. Martins Girl Missing
9-year-old Elizabeth Olton missing, authorities searching.
5 hrs ago - Search to Begin Again After Daybreak

Officials have scaled search operations for the night as they continue to look for Elizabeth Olton. Regular search efforts will continue once the sun rises.  Posted by Steve Lambson


Posted by Adam Forgie on Wed Oct 21, 2009
Last updated 4 hrs ago

Right now law enforcement agencies in Cole County are looking for a St. Martins girl, missing since Wednesday evening.

 

Cole County Sheriff Greg White says 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten went missing around 6:15 p.m. after leaving a friend's house and walking home.  White says Elizabeth was walking a half-mile stretch of Route D just south of Highway 50.

 

Elizabeth has long brown hair and was wearing a pink sweater, pink butterfly shirt, pink scarf, blue jeans and white sneakers.

 

The Cole County Sheriff's Department is leading the search.  They are recieving assistance from the Highway Patrol, including a search helicopter.  White says crews are using infrared and thermal technology to search in the dark and to make sure they are covering all possible ground.

 

The Highway Patrol says it hasn't issued an Amber Alert because there isn't enough evidence to suggest Elizabeth was abducted.

 

If you see Elizabeth Olten or have any information for law enforcement, call the Cole County Sheriff's Department at (573) 634-9160.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:15:57 AM
9-year-old Cole County girl reported missing

ST. MARTINS — Cole County authorities are looking for a 9-year-old girl who did not return home after visiting a friend.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White says Elizabeth Olten did not arrive home Wednesday evening after leaving a friend's home about 6:15 p.m. She was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home on Route D near St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City.

Her family called police when she had not arrived by 7 p.m.

A Cole County sheriff's deputy says the search was scheduled to resume early Thursday.

The Jefferson City News-Tribune reports that the girl's family members said she is afraid of the woods and the dark, so she wouldn't be out at night.

MORE...

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/10/22/9-year-old-cole-county-girl-reported-missing/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:16:55 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:17:42 AM
Missouri Girl, 9, Vanishes After Leaving Friend's House

ST. MARTINS, Mo. —  Missouri authorities are looking for a 9-year-old girl who did not return home after visiting a friend.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White says Elizabeth Olten did not arrive home Wednesday evening after leaving a friend's home about 6:15 p.m.

She was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home on Route D near St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City.

Her family called police when she had not arrived by 7 p.m.

A Cole County sheriff's deputy says the search was scheduled to resume early Thursday.

The Jefferson City News-Tribune reports that the girl's family members said she is afraid of the woods and the dark, so she wouldn't be out at night.

Elizabeth Olten has long brown hair and was last seen wearing a pink sweater, T-shirt, blue jeans and white shoes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569073,00.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 11:20:04 AM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:22:40 AM
Olten didn't show up at her home on Route D near St. Martins, near the intersection with U.S. 50.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:31:00 AM
Authorities Search For Missing Girl

COLE COUNTY - Authorities are searching for Elizabeth Olten, a 9-year-old girl from the St. Martins area who went missing Wednesday evening.

Olten was supposed to be walking home from a friend's house in the 600 block of Route D south of St. Martins at 6:15 p.m. Wednesday, but never arrived at her home.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory as it continues to search for Olten.

Olten is a white, 9-year-old female. She is 5' 2" and 108 lbs. with brown hair, brown eyes and a fair complexion with physical marks.  She was last seen wearing a pink scarf, pink shirt and pink sweater and blue jeans with white sneakers.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7bbf0b31-80ce-0971-0180-18680d5382d5


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:35:13 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:39:01 AM
Elizabeth Olten


St. Martins girl went missing coming home from friend's house

Sheriff says missing girl not a runaway, calls for more volunteers. Sheriff says Amber Alert possible. 

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/photos.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:40:35 AM
St. Martins girl went missing coming home from friend's house

By Matt Grant
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 at 10:53 p.m.


ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 9:35 am:

The Cole County Sheriff tells reporters they could use more volunteers in the search for a missing girl.

During a 9am press conference Monday Sheriff Greg White said anyone interested in helping search for Elizabeth Olten should come to the St. Martins' VFW or call the sheriff's department at 573-634-9160.

White says the rain is making for a difficult search and that they are currently using search dogs and are considering using a helicopter.

White told reporters that Olten is not a runaway and that an Amber Alert could be issued later today.

Authorities are currently contacting registered sex offenders in the surrounding areas.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:41:25 AM
Elizabeth was last seen wearing a pink sweater over a T-shirt with butterflies when she disappeared. She was also wearing blue jeans and white sneakers.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:52:38 AM
Here is a map of where the command post is Xtreme Body & Paint‎ - more info »
1007 Lomo Dr, Jefferson City, MO‎, which is reported to be close to her home.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=1007+lomo+drive+jefferson+city,+mo+65109&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=1007+lomo+drive+jefferson+city,+mo+65109&cid=0,0,2344290014287871566&ei=9GngSp6xKs-RlAf05dmEDw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA4QnwIwAA


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:54:40 AM
9-year-old Cole County girl reported missing
(Published October 22, 2009)
ST. MARTINS, Mo. — Dozens of people are searching a wooded area near Jefferson City for a 9-year-old girl who did not return home after visiting a friend.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Thursday that Elizabeth Olten left a friend's house shortly after 6 p.m. Wednesday and was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home in St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City. She was reported missing around 7 p.m.

Search teams were scouring the area Thursday morning.

The Jefferson City News-Tribune reports that the girl's family members said she is afraid of the woods and the dark, so she wouldn't normally be out at night.

Elizabeth has long brown hair and brown eyes and was last seen wearing a pink sweater, T-shirt, blue jeans and white shoes.

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/827875.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
momof4injcmo

 2 hrs ago
Susie... you are wrong.. I live in Jefferson City, and I have young children. I would not allow my 7 year old daughter out in our own back yard (in the area this little girl is missing from OR here in Central JC) Its just getting to crazy in the world. Elizabeth Olten was last seen walking down highway D and if u look at a map or have traveled this road on any occasion you will know its no place for a child to be walking.. Its curvy and people speed down it often. Its hardly a place for a grown woman or man to be walking. I do pray for her to be returned home safely. 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:04:57 PM
There are some interesting comments at the St. Martins forum on Topix.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

One poster claims that a Dale Olten is a suspect in the case of missing Jasmine Haslag from 2 years ago.  Dale Olten and Dale Olten Jr, A father and son from Russellville were indicted by a federal grand jury separate cases for illegally possessing firearms and for possessing stolen firearms

Then another poster, posts "Yes, Elizabeth's father isn't in her life......."

I have no idea if this is all related as have not seen names of her parents in any articles nor do I have any concept of how common the last name Olten is in MO.


http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:16:31 PM
Dale Olten SO.

I will not post it here as it has a phone number on it for his CO.

https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do?docId=502689&method=getOffender


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:19:08 PM
Here is Dale's mug shot.  I did a side by side with Elizabeth and there are resemblances.  They COULD be related.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:21:29 PM
Dale Olten JR.

https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do?docId=1160141&method=getOffender



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
momof4injcmo

 2 hrs ago
Susie... you are wrong.. I live in Jefferson City, and I have young children. I would not allow my 7 year old daughter out in our own back yard (in the area this little girl is missing from OR here in Central JC) Its just getting to crazy in the world. Elizabeth Olten was last seen walking down highway D and if u look at a map or have traveled this road on any occasion you will know its no place for a child to be walking.. Its curvy and people speed down it often. Its hardly a place for a grown woman or man to be walking. I do pray for her to be returned home safely. 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV
Thanks for all the updates, I don't know what to say, except I pray for her safe return. But that pic of that pond sent chills down me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 12:22:35 PM
OMG thanks for the mugshots  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:24:30 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 10:41 am:

KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

AT&T put the cell phone's location deep in the woods near Elizabeth's home. The family says Elizabeth would not have been walking in the woods to get home from her friend's house. There are only four homes between the friends house and Elizabeth's, and the family says she normally walked near the road.

AT&T says the cell phone is not responding to pings anymore and probably ran out of batteries, the phone company says it will continue to monitor the phone in case it turns back on.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:25:33 PM
OMG thanks for the mugshots  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Is it just me or could she be related to them?  And they are BOTH suspects of the other missing girl from 2 years ago.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 12:25:36 PM
Here is Dale's mug shot.  I did a side by side with Elizabeth and there are resemblances.  They COULD be related.

Thats one scary looking SOB!

Is that Dale Sr or Jr?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:28:11 PM
Here is Dale's mug shot.  I did a side by side with Elizabeth and there are resemblances.  They COULD be related.

Thats one scary looking SOB!

Is that Dale Sr or Jr?

Facial hair dude is senior


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 12:28:29 PM
OMG thanks for the mugshots  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Is it just me or could she be related to them?  And they are BOTH suspects of the other missing girl from 2 years ago.
Could be, and now about the cell phone in the woods  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 12:29:08 PM



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Above BBM is it just me or is it strange that they say this right off the bat and now her phone was last pinged there????


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 12:30:26 PM
Here is Dale's mug shot.  I did a side by side with Elizabeth and there are resemblances.  They COULD be related.

Thats one scary looking SOB!

Is that Dale Sr or Jr?

Facial hair dude is senior

Sorry Northern, when i posted there was only the pic of Sr... got it tho  ::MonkeyWink:: Thanks! 

Is there a listed address for the mug shot boyz?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:32:15 PM
  There is a poster in the St.  Martins forum claiming to be a friend of the mom:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO
 #8 2 hrs ago
For all of you who want to criticize this child's mother, shame on you. This is someone's BABY! This is someone's SISTER! I know this family, and realize that the distance is being reported as 1/4 of a mile, but I hate to break it to you people who want to bash her mother, that's not quite an accurate distance. The mother hadn't even been told that the child had been sent home from the friend's house, so she couldn't have gone to pick her up even if she had wanted to! Maybe instead of criticizing the mother, you could find something more productive to do, like say a prayer for the safe return of the child! How dare you? Think what you want, but have some heart for this family & keep it to yourself! Freedom of speech only shows what negative people some of you are! 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 12:35:19 PM
  There is a poster in the St.  Martins forum claiming to be a friend of the mom:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO
 #8 2 hrs ago
For all of you who want to criticize this child's mother, shame on you. This is someone's BABY! This is someone's SISTER! I know this family, and realize that the distance is being reported as 1/4 of a mile, but I hate to break it to you people who want to bash her mother, that's not quite an accurate distance. The mother hadn't even been told that the child had been sent home from the friend's house, so she couldn't have gone to pick her up even if she had wanted to! Maybe instead of criticizing the mother, you could find something more productive to do, like say a prayer for the safe return of the child! How dare you? Think what you want, but have some heart for this family & keep it to yourself! Freedom of speech only shows what negative people some of you are! 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

I have to agree with her somewhat, i do not think right out of the gate in a missing child/person case it is right to jump on the family and pick at every part of them, and bash  them and blame them. i also dont think they sould be ruled out but there is a fine line there IMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 12:38:14 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 10:41 am:

KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

AT&T put the cell phone's location deep in the woods near Elizabeth's home. The family says Elizabeth would not have been walking in the woods to get home from her friend's house. There are only four homes between the friends house and Elizabeth's, and the family says she normally walked near the road.

AT&T says the cell phone is not responding to pings anymore and probably ran out of batteries, the phone company says it will continue to monitor the phone in case it turns back on.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

One would think this would ba a pretty good clue, and place to start looking.  This article leaves alot out tho, which is probably done for a good reason but like what time they actually pinged her phone, when it last pinged and when it went dead/turned off.... with those facts they would have a good start on where to look and get a good head start on the case so to say....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:38:15 PM
Here is Dale's mug shot.  I did a side by side with Elizabeth and there are resemblances.  They COULD be related.

Thats one scary looking SOB!

Is that Dale Sr or Jr?

Facial hair dude is senior

Sorry Northern, when i posted there was only the pic of Sr... got it tho  ::MonkeyWink:: Thanks! 

Is there a listed address for the mug shot boyz?

 If you do a MO white pages there is a Dale A in Russellville MO.  Not sure if same for either of them.  Here is Sr's release date.

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Edward on October 22, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 10:41 am:

KRCG news has learned that missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten had a cell phone on her when she she disappeared.

She sheriff's department contacted the cell phone provider, AT&T, who "pinged" the cell phone to triangulate its location.

AT&T put the cell phone's location deep in the woods near Elizabeth's home. The family says Elizabeth would not have been walking in the woods to get home from her friend's house. There are only four homes between the friends house and Elizabeth's, and the family says she normally walked near the road.

AT&T says the cell phone is not responding to pings anymore and probably ran out of batteries, the phone company says it will continue to monitor the phone in case it turns back on.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

One would think this would ba a pretty good clue, and place to start looking.  This article leaves alot out tho, which is probably done for a good reason but like what time they actually pinged her phone, when it last pinged and when it went dead/turned off.... with those facts they would have a good start on where to look and get a good head start on the case so to say....

 They can locate the phone turned on or not as long as the battery is intact. They should have already had a helicopter over the location with equipment on board that allows them to tack the signal as well as infrared technology to find her body.. mo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: JessStar on October 22, 2009, 12:49:14 PM
Damn, not another one. My prayers go out to little Elizabeth. That cell phone location doesn't sound good. :(


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 12:54:20 PM
  There is a poster in the St.  Martins forum claiming to be a friend of the mom:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO
 #8 2 hrs ago
For all of you who want to criticize this child's mother, shame on you. This is someone's BABY! This is someone's SISTER! I know this family, and realize that the distance is being reported as 1/4 of a mile, but I hate to break it to you people who want to bash her mother, that's not quite an accurate distance. The mother hadn't even been told that the child had been sent home from the friend's house, so she couldn't have gone to pick her up even if she had wanted to! Maybe instead of criticizing the mother, you could find something more productive to do, like say a prayer for the safe return of the child! How dare you? Think what you want, but have some heart for this family & keep it to yourself! Freedom of speech only shows what negative people some of you are! 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

I have to agree with her somewhat, i do not think right out of the gate in a missing child/person case it is right to jump on the family and pick at every part of them, and bash  them and blame them. i also dont think they sould be ruled out but there is a fine line there IMO
Yes, and I keep saying this, and I know people don't like me too, but people get a comfort zone, they feel they are safe, and then a tragedy strikes. I know nothing about this mom, I will wait and hear more. She could be a very good mom for all I know.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Damn, not another one. My prayers go out to little Elizabeth. That cell phone location doesn't sound good. :(

  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Unbelievable, the cell phone location and the looks of that pond, that did me in. Prayers for Elizabeth  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 12:56:22 PM
Based on the articles that state where the command centre is, that the command centre is close to her home, and that her cell is in the woods close to her home, IMO this is the woods her cell is in.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 12:58:54 PM
Damn, not another one. My prayers go out to little Elizabeth. That cell phone location doesn't sound good. :(

  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Unbelievable, the cell phone location and the looks of that pond, that did me in. Prayers for Elizabeth  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree that was a mucky lookin pond  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: JessStar on October 22, 2009, 01:08:47 PM
You know, when will people begin to realize that it is not safe to allow children to walk alone anywhere. Not just because of so's, but they're kids. They have the judgment of kids. They'll wander. They're naturally curious. They'll explore. They're fearless. They're over confident. If an adult is going to welcome another's child into his/her home, they become responsible for that child's well-being. So why would Elizabeth's friend's mother allow this child to walk home alone?  If all of these horrific reports of children being abducted and murdered doesn't do the trick, what will?  I'm tired of lazy parents and adults that play poker with a child's life.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:09:34 PM
Damn, not another one. My prayers go out to little Elizabeth. That cell phone location doesn't sound good. :(

  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Unbelievable, the cell phone location and the looks of that pond, that did me in. Prayers for Elizabeth  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree that was a mucky lookin pond  ::MonkeyEek::

There is the small mucky looking one south and then almost directly north there is a larger deeper looking one. I also found it strange about the woods comment and then to find out her cell was triangulated in the woods.  Could have been that her family knew ATT had found it there and the comment was made without the cell information being made public.  Or at least I hope.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NCMike on October 22, 2009, 01:11:59 PM
Here is Dale's mug shot.  I did a side by side with Elizabeth and there are resemblances.  They COULD be related.

Thats one scary looking SOB!

Is that Dale Sr or Jr?

Facial hair dude is senior

Sorry Northern, when i posted there was only the pic of Sr... got it tho  ::MonkeyWink:: Thanks! 

Is there a listed address for the mug shot boyz?

 If you do a MO white pages there is a Dale A in Russellville MO.  Not sure if same for either of them.  Here is Sr's release date.

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

If that is him that release date is very suspicious (sp).


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:16:11 PM
You know, when will people begin to realize that it is not safe to allow children to walk alone anywhere. Not just because of so's, but they're kids. They have the judgment of kids. They'll wander. They're naturally curious. They'll explore. They're fearless. They're over confident. If an adult is going to welcome another's child into his/her home, they become responsible for that child's well-being. So why would Elizabeth's friend's mother allow this child to walk home alone?  If all of these horrific reports of children being abducted and murdered doesn't do the trick, what will?  I'm tired of lazy parents and adults that play poker with a child's life.

Jess I know how you feel.  I live in a northerly part of Canada with no real dense populated areas within a couple of hours drive.  However when the kids have friends over I feel it is MY responsibility to ensure they are safe until I see them walk through their own door again or hand them back over to their parents.   I feed them, look after them if they get hurt, and am the one that has taken on the responsibility by agreeing to have that child over to my house.  It is not  a burden, it is a responsibility, and yes things do happen when you have friends over, however you are still responsible for that child. I have cancelled my own plans when I drove a child home to find their parents not there, when a parent has called me as they were going to be late etc. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: Northern Rose link=topic=6338.msg991752#msg991752

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: [b
Out of Custody Reason: General release[/b] Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

If that is him that release date is very suspicious (sp).

Dale Sr and Dale Jr Olten were suspects in a different missing girl case Jasmine Haslag from two years ago.  The speculation right now is that they MAY be related to Elizabeth. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:23:34 PM
More tidbits from teh family friend - Michelle

Mom's name is Patty
It was the GRANDFATHER of the friend that sent Elizabeth home.

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO
 
#31 22 min ago
Just Me wrote:
why do people let they young kidz walk home. i really don't understand that at all. parents need to get off there lazy **** and get there kidz from family or friends house. no kid should be walking home by there self.

Patty wasn't sitting on her lazy a**! She wasn't even told by the grandparent of the little girl's friend that he had sent her home! How dare you judge when you don't really know! That mother is dying inside not knowing where that little girl is, and you have the audacity to place blame?!? Know what you're commenting on before you do something like that next time. Elizabeth's mom isn't at fault for this, and I hope that now you know that maybe you'll reconsider what you typed. 


http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p2#lastPost


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:27:47 PM
Elizabeth Olten Missing - 9-Year-Old Disappears in Cole County, Missouri

NEW YORK(CBS/AP) Cole County Sheriff's deputies are still searching for Elizabeth Olten, a 9-year-old girl who was reported missing late Wednesday night after she didn’t return home from a friend's house.

Olten is from St. Martin's, Mo., a small town two and half hours drive West of St. Louis.

According to authorities, Olten was supposed to have returned home after visiting a friend who lived about a quarter mile from her home. She was last see at around 6:15 p.m. when she left her friend's house to walk the short distance down Route D west of Jefferson City.

MORE....

Anyone with information is asked to contact the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9100.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/22/crimesider/entry5409548.shtml


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:30:11 PM
Search under way for 9-year-old mid-Missouri girl
The Associated Press

ST. MARTINS, Mo. | Dozen of people were searching a rural, wooded area in central Missouri today for a 9-year-old girl who did not return home a night earlier after visiting a friend.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Elizabeth Olten left the friend’s house about 6:15 p.m. Wednesday and was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home in St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City. She was reported missing around 7 p.m.

Elizabeth was listed as an “endangered missing person” and the FBI had joined the case, White said. The sheriff said it did not appear that the girl had run away from home, but no Amber Alert had been issued because there was no evidence of an abduction or foul play.

The Jefferson City News-Tribune reported that Elizabeth’s family members said she is afraid of the woods and the dark, so she wouldn’t normally be out at night.

Elizabeth, who has long brown hair and brown eyes, is about 5 feet 2 inches tall and weighs 102 pounds. She was last seen wearing a pink scarf, sweater and T-shirt with butterflies, blue jeans and white shoes.

The search focused on a section of woods several hundred yards in diameter, which police had narrowed by triangulating the girl’s cell phone location, White said. But the battery had died by this morning. An uneven terrain, high brush and soaking weather hampered the search effort.

“If you go to Iowa and look at a flat piece of farmland that’s 140 acres, you go, well it’s not that big.’ You translate that to Missouri and you use the same thing, you walk a long time to cover that same amount of land,” White said. “It’s muddy out there now. It’s difficult terrain, it’s difficult weather.”


On Wednesday night, the Missouri State Highway Patrol searched for Elizabeth using a helicopter with a thermal imaging radar. But White said fall foliage hindered that effort.

When the full search of about 60 people resumed this morning, a team with dogs used by the Department of Corrections joined officials from nearby fire departments and numerous state and local police agencies.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1523510.html#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:34:16 PM
Locals are saying the girls house she was at and her own house were only 4 houses away.  It has not been reported in any articles that I could find yet.


Joizee
 
Philadelphia, PA
 8 min ago

Michelle, I'm praying for Elizabeth's safe return! I feel so bad for her mother, as well as Elizabeth's friend's family. Can anybody even imagine what that Grandparent feels like knowing they were the person to send her home and she went missing? Today's day & time is a far cry from yester year when parents sent their kids to school walking 4 miles away, rain & snow. From what's been stated, they only lived 4 houses away. I'm assuming you know this exact area. Could you tell us if Elizabeth's path should have been on the road or if she would have had to go through a field or woods to get home? Can you also tell us the name of her father? Thank you. 
Edit:  Adding link per Northern Rose.  MB :
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p2#lastPost


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
Link for last post

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p2#lastPost


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: JessStar on October 22, 2009, 01:35:23 PM
This article squarely identifies a systemic problem with the Amber Alert system. Here you have a sheriff saying no amber alert was issued because there is no evidence of foul play. In Somer's abduction an amber alert was issued because there was evidence of foul play. And, according to the sheriff in Somer's case, what was that evidence?  The fact that she didn't arrive home when she should have. We'll neither did Elizabeth folks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
Yeah i dont have a good feeling about this one either  ::MonkeyWaa::

Maybe, just maybe, speculating here, maybe that Dale is her dad, and is out of her life due to the trouble he was in, and maybe the last week or so since hes been out hes been lookin for a chance to nab her?? just throwing it out there as we really have no clue yet.

Please dont throw the nanners too hard


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
Yeah i dont have a good feeling about this one either  ::MonkeyWaa::

Maybe, just maybe, speculating here, maybe that Dale is her dad, and is out of her life due to the trouble he was in, and maybe the last week or so since hes been out hes been lookin for a chance to nab her?? just throwing it out there as we really have no clue yet.

Please dont throw the nanners too hard

Dad or Uncle, I was leaning towards Dad based on Dale JR's resemblance to Elizabeth but that is JMO.  I found an old article of the robbery and arms bust that Dale and Dale did.  They had help from a third guy - Jesse Patterson age 21.  Here are the updated mug shots from Dale and Dale. They had enough guns to arm a small country.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=266703


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 01:45:14 PM
Picture of Elizabeth to compare to Dale and Dale


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 01:56:35 PM
Oh for god sakes another one? This is too much. They need to find this girl alive, today would be nice. Prayers for you sweet girl and for your family and the family of the friend you visited. It must be pure hell for them right now.
So this dale guy gets out of jail on the 15th and the girl goes missing on the 21st? No amber alert? I wonder if they have located this guy? Unfreaking believable.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:04:05 PM
Whoa!
Sex Offender Arrested For Not Registering

COLUMBIA - Officers arrested a man on Thursday convicted in 1991 of sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl on suspicion of failing to register as a sex offender.

An officer spotted Mark Fuemmeler, 45, near 10th and Ash street and detained him until others arrived. Fuemmeler was also convicted in 1998, 2001, 2002 for failing to register as a sex offender.
Posted by: Beth Hoag


Published: Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Last Updated: Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM


http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7d281bde-80ce-0971-01a5-069446a078d2




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
NorRose that is one crazy looking man. Look into his eyes, made me cringe


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:15:59 PM
NorRose that is one crazy looking man. Look into his eyes, made me cringe

When will they do something about these SO's.  Look how many times this one has failed to register. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 02:24:56 PM
NorRose that is one crazy looking man. Look into his eyes, made me cringe

When will they do something about these SO's.  Look how many times this one has failed to register. 

Hang him in the middle of the town.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:25:36 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 1:05 pm:

The FBI has now been called-in to help search for a missing 9 year-old girl.

Hundreds of volunteers are also searching the woods near the rural home of Elizabeth Olten. The location is about 5 miles west of Jefferson City in the town of St. Martins.

Elizabeth is a 4th grader at nearby Pioneer Trails Elementary School.

The family says it is grateful for all the support from the volunteers. Elizabeth's older sister talked with KRCG: "I just want my little siter home safely. I don't know who would have done anything. We all want her home safely."
The Missouri Highway Patrol is aiding in the search with a helicopter.

KRCG news is on the scene of an afternoon press conference and will have updates online.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 02:32:22 PM
do we know what time the presser is?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:34:50 PM
Search under way for 9-year-old mid-Missouri girl

By CHRIS BLANK
Associated Press Writer
 
 
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ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) -- Dozens of people were searching a rural, wooded area in central Missouri on Thursday for a 9-year-old girl who did not return home after visiting a friend a night earlier.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Elizabeth Olten left the friend's house around 6:15 p.m. Wednesday and was supposed to walk about a quarter mile to her home in St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City. She was reported missing around 7 p.m.

Elizabeth was listed as an "endangered missing person" and the FBI joined the case, White said. The sheriff said it did not appear that the girl had run away from home, but no Amber Alert had been issued because there was no evidence of an abduction or foul play.

Onna Adrian, whose daughter-in-law is Elizabeth's older sister, said Elizabeth generally walked home from the friend's house through neighbors' yards rather than along the two-lane county highway that runs past their houses.

Adrian said Elizabeth did not normally hide out and, if confronted, would have screamed and tried to run away.

"She is very shy," Adrian said. "She's not the type to get in a vehicle with anybody."


Elizabeth, who has long brown hair and brown eyes, is about 5-feet, 2-inches tall and weighs 102 pounds. She was last seen wearing a pink scarf, sweater and T-shirt with butterflies, blue jeans and white shoes.

Adrian said the girl's mother did not want to talk to a reporter Thursday. Elizabeth's father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in a Missouri prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession.The search focused on a section of woods several hundred yards in diameter, which police had narrowed by triangulating the girl's cell phone location, White said. But the battery had died by Thursday morning. An uneven terrain, high brush and soaking weather hampered the search effort.

"If you go to Iowa and look at a flat piece of farmland that's 140 acres, you go, `well it's not that big.' You translate that to Missouri and you use the same thing, you walk a long time to cover that same amount of land," White said. "It's muddy out there now. It's difficult terrain, it's difficult weather."

Emergency vehicles from various agencies were parked along the highway that runs past the houses. Among the nearby farm fields is a large, muddy brown pond.

On Wednesday night, the Missouri State Highway Patrol searched for Elizabeth using a helicopter with a thermal imaging radar. But White said fall foliage hindered that effort. Around 2:30 a.m. Thursday, all but one search team broke.

When the full search of about 60 people resumed later in the morning, a team with dogs used by the Department of Corrections joined officials from nearby fire departments and numerous state and local police agencies.

 
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MO_MISSING_GIRL_MO_MOOL-?SITE=KMIZTV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:35:41 PM
do we know what time the presser is?

I am looking all over trying to find it and a news source that would stream it


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:40:26 PM
So Dad IS Dale Sr who was just released on Oct 15th and is a suspect in the Jasmine Haslag case and brother would be Dale JR who was arrest for robbery and guns possession along with dad.

She would not have walked on the road, but would have cut through the woods according to her older sister.  The cell may have fell out of her pocket?

I have checked the weather and it has been raining and cold. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 02:41:40 PM
So Dad IS Dale Sr who was just released on Oct 15th and is a suspect in the Jasmine Haslag case and brother would be Dale JR who was arrest for robbery and guns possession along with dad.

She would not have walked on the road, but would have cut through the woods according to her older sister.  The cell may have fell out of her pocket?

I have checked the weather and it has been raining and cold. 
Wow  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for all the updates.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 02:43:41 PM
do we know what time the presser is?

I am looking all over trying to find it and a news source that would stream it

KOMU has a stream but they have not said they are carrying the presser and are showing the rain and roads right now on their live cam.  It looks to be pouring rain.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: my2cents on October 22, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
This is just unreal...these babies are going missing faster than we can get threads going.....it just makes my head spin....they have got to QUIT LETTING THESE SEX OFFENDERS OUT !!!!!.....put them on an island and forget about em! JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:03:55 PM
There are 5 pages of court cases against Dale JR and SR.  These are two very bad men!

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:14:14 PM
Crews Continue Search for Cole County Girl
Elizabeth Olten went missing Wednesday from St. Martins.18 min ago - Midday Update on Search for Olten
More than 200 volunteers and nearly 100 emergency workers are helping in the search for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten right now. This is about four times the number of people who were searching yesterday. Weather is hampering their efforts. Earlier today authorities were able to track Olten's cell phone signal coming from woods near her home. The phone has not been found yet.  Posted by Curtis Varns

 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Missing%20Person&franchise=&county=Cole&city=189&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 22, 2009, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: Northern Rose link=topic=6338.msg991752#msg991752

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: [b
Out of Custody Reason: General release[/b] Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

If that is him that release date is very suspicious (sp).

Dale Sr and Dale Jr Olten were suspects in a different missing girl case Jasmine Haslag from two years ago.  The speculation right now is that they MAY be related to Elizabeth. 

This Jasmine Haslag?? She is a woman in her 30's.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/haslag_jasmine.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: canadianmonkey on October 22, 2009, 03:18:42 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Prayers for this little one.  I can't believe two little girls in one week have gone missing.

I certainly hope that the LE are locating her father and roughing him up some to find out where he's been.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NCMike on October 22, 2009, 03:19:23 PM
There are 5 pages of court cases against Dale JR and SR.  These are two very bad men!

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

Thank you so much NR - this is just unbelievable....  Sounds like they are doing all they can, I would bet this guy has been located or they are at least hot after him. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NCMike on October 22, 2009, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: Northern Rose link=topic=6338.msg991752#msg991752

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: [b
Out of Custody Reason: General release[/b] Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

If that is him that release date is very suspicious (sp).

Dale Sr and Dale Jr Olten were suspects in a different missing girl case Jasmine Haslag from two years ago.  The speculation right now is that they MAY be related to Elizabeth. 

This Jasmine Haslag?? She is a woman in her 30's.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/haslag_jasmine.html

Was Dale Sr. her boyfriend at the time??????


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 22, 2009, 03:24:19 PM
Ahhhhhh.....OK....I get it now >>

Haslag and her boyfriend Dale Olten were charged with second-degree drug trafficking on May 24 in Eldon. When officers searched the vehicle Olten and Haslag were driving, they confiscated nearly 80 grams of methamphetamine and more than 100 grams of marijuana, a pistol with the serial numbers removed and more than $1,000 in cash.
http://s12.invisionfree.com/unsolvedcasecenter/ar/t1015.htm


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:27:40 PM
Dale JR not logged in since 2008

http://www.myspace.com/43257001#



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NCMike on October 22, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
I hate the proximity to that majoy highway, I think it's hwy 50.  Whoever this pos is, it would have been easy to get on that hwy and have a huge head start.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:32:05 PM
This is not sounding good at all. Thanks for all of the updates on this norrose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 03:33:35 PM
Update 12:00:  Authorities believe no foul play was involved in the disappearance of a Jefferson City-area girl, and they continue to search a wooded area in St. Martins near her home.       ::MonkeyEek:: She is nine years old, no foul play?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NCMike on October 22, 2009, 03:34:56 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE

That is not enough information, how can they say the don't think foul play is involved, what aren't they telling us?  Am I supposed to believe she just decided to wonder into the woods, sprained her ankle, and has made no effort to call out.  


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:35:16 PM
"Authorities believe no foul play was involved in the disappearance of a Jefferson City-area girl, and they continue to search a wooded area in St. Martins near her home."

Yea maybe she went camping on a whim.. honestly.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:35:24 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 2:03 pm:

KRCG news has an update following an afternoon press conference with Cole County Sheriff Greg White.

White says so far they have no information that would lead them to believe foul play is involved.

There are now over 200 volunteers helping in the search. The sheriff says they have enough volunteers for the time being.

The rain is hampering the search effort which is still focusing on where AT&T says the Elizabeth's cell phone was last located.

The last "ping" pointed searchers to the woods behind the family's home. The family says it is a mystery why the cell phone would be in the woods because Elizabeth only walked near the woods.

The cell phone is no longer responding to the "pings" from the cell tower and could have a dead battery. The sheriff's office has requested the call records from AT&T.

Lowes Home Improvement store has donated rain gear for searchers.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:37:15 PM
So dale jr is her brother? I wonder if this little girl was a witness against him?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
A computer check of sex offenders in the area didn’t turn up any leads, White said--------------------------------------------------------------
Can anyone interpret this statement?  Does it mean they went on the net like we do and all looked good, or they looked all the SO's computers and did not find pictures of Elizabeth.  What does this mean?  I hope to god they went to each house and checked and really checked for evidence...not like what happend to Jaycee.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:40:08 PM
So dale jr is her brother? I wonder if this little girl was a witness against him?

He is still in the Klink.  He has some interesting friends on his myspace though.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:41:22 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 2:03 pm:

KRCG news has an update following an afternoon press conference with Cole County Sheriff Greg White.

White says so far they have no information that would lead them to believe foul play is involved.

There are now over 200 volunteers helping in the search. The sheriff says they have enough volunteers for the time being.

The rain is hampering the search effort which is still focusing on where AT&T says the Elizabeth's cell phone was last located.

The last "ping" pointed searchers to the woods behind the family's home. The family says it is a mystery why the cell phone would be in the woods because Elizabeth only walked near the woods.
The cell phone is no longer responding to the "pings" from the cell tower and could have a dead battery. The sheriff's office has requested the call records from AT&T.

Lowes Home Improvement store has donated rain gear for searchers.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Thanks for posting this Norrose. At lease now we know where the woods are. Can we put up a pic? Where is the home?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:44:10 PM
Oh I am sorry I got confused so daddy dearest is out of jail?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NCMike on October 22, 2009, 03:44:12 PM
A computer check of sex offenders in the area didn’t turn up any leads, White said--------------------------------------------------------------
Can anyone interpret this statement?  Does it mean they went on the net like we do and all looked good, or they looked all the SO's computers and did not find pictures of Elizabeth.  What does this mean?  I hope to god they went to each house and checked and really checked for evidence...not like what happend to Jaycee.

I found 94 offenders in zip code 65109, which looks to encompass St. Martin and western parts of Jefferson City.  That's alot in the area to have already cleared them all.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:46:26 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
A computer check of sex offenders in the area didn’t turn up any leads, White said--------------------------------------------------------------
Can anyone interpret this statement?  Does it mean they went on the net like we do and all looked good, or they looked all the SO's computers and did not find pictures of Elizabeth.  What does this mean?  I hope to god they went to each house and checked and really checked for evidence...not like what happend to Jaycee.

I take that to mean they looked at computers? I don't think they are saying they have cleared any of them, just they didn't have any information about this case on their computer....(yet anway, my comment)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:48:48 PM
Oh I am sorry I got confused so daddy dearest is out of jail?

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2009, 03:49:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/FsbCqmqqsY0&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 03:54:14 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



That really doesn't look like a huge area, does it?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
Oh I am sorry I got confused so daddy dearest is out of jail?

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male

I bet they think she is with him and that is why they say no foul play. Of course Daddy just got out of jail! Something tells me they are not at disneyworld.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



That really doesn't look like a huge area, does it?


Thats what I thought too. Looks smaller/shorter then the distance she walked


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 03:56:26 PM
A computer check of sex offenders in the area didn’t turn up any leads, White said--------------------------------------------------------------
Can anyone interpret this statement?  Does it mean they went on the net like we do and all looked good, or they looked all the SO's computers and did not find pictures of Elizabeth.  What does this mean?  I hope to god they went to each house and checked and really checked for evidence...not like what happend to Jaycee.

I found 94 offenders in zip code 65109, which looks to encompass St. Martin and western parts of Jefferson City.  That's alot in the area to have already cleared them all.

That just makes me sick.  I have not gotten to checking out SO's yet.  Why is it that everytime there are cases there are so many SO's in every one of them in the area?  I think they need to clear out the prisons and put all our children in the jails to keep them safe. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 03:58:13 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



That really doesn't look like a huge area, does it?


Fanny, there you are! i lost you!

I think they said its pretty hill-y and bad terrain, ponds trees hills and rain, harder to search


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 03:58:51 PM
Oh I am sorry I got confused so daddy dearest is out of jail?

Offender ID: 20092220 Offender Name: DALE SCOTT OLTEN Date of Birth: 03/08/1963 Age: 46 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: General release Date: 10/15/2009 Race: White Gender: Male
Could the dad have snatched Elizabeth, and taken off with her?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



That really doesn't look like a huge area, does it?


Fanny, there you are! i lost you!

I think they said its pretty hill-y and bad terrain, ponds trees hills and rain, harder to search

Yes, I am familiar with that area. It's just a lot smaller than I thought it would be. (I've been making jelly and reading along.)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:00:54 PM
Are the parents divorced? It may have been stated and I missed it. Is there bad feelings between mom and dad?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 04:04:14 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



That really doesn't look like a huge area, does it?


Fanny, there you are! i lost you!

I think they said its pretty hill-y and bad terrain, ponds trees hills and rain, harder to search

Yes, I am familiar with that area. It's just a lot smaller than I thought it would be. (I've been making jelly and reading along.)

I knew u were making jelly! hope it was fun! 

I dont know why they are having such a hard time or taking so long, i know the were asking for more searchers this am, i would think they could have found her by now...

I think with the dad just getting out of jail and having such a record he might have something to do with it...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:05:39 PM
Are the parents divorced? It may have been stated and I missed it. Is there bad feelings between mom and dad?

Has not been stated.  However, Patrica did take him to court to order a DNA paternity test for Elizabeth and he was her father.  Nothing indicates that they were married, just that Dale Sr is her Dad.  I am going on a limb here and guessing that Dale SR has been in Jail so much that he would not have had much contact with any of them.  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 04:05:55 PM
Are the parents divorced? It may have been stated and I missed it. Is there bad feelings between mom and dad?

Not sure if they were ever married, dad's gf came up missing a few yrs back and he is a suspect, and Northern said in his court papers that there was a request to determain paternity on Elizabeth


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

St. Martins girl went missing coming home from friend's house
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 at 10:53 p.m.

ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 2:03 pm:

KRCG news has an update following an afternoon press conference with Cole County Sheriff Greg White.

White says so far they have no information that would lead them to believe foul play is involved.

There are now over 200 volunteers helping in the search. The sheriff says they have enough volunteers for the time being.

The rain is hampering the search effort which is still focusing on where AT&T says the Elizabeth's cell phone was last located.

The last "ping" pointed searchers to the woods behind the family's home. The family says it is a mystery why the cell phone would be in the woods because Elizabeth only walked near the woods.

The cell phone is no longer responding to the "pings" from the cell tower and could have a dead battery. The sheriff's office has requested the call records from AT&T.

Lowes Home Improvement store has donated rain gear for searchers.

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/olten%20missing%202.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)
(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/Elizabeth%20Olten.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)



Some comments from the link above:

Quote
turning people away

Posted by Beth Sweeten, Lohman - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 3:02 p.m.

My dad went to go help. He was told from somebody that they have an area ropped off and will not tell people what or why, but they have called in everyone who was searching. Does not sound too good.
questions2

Posted by Larson Bode, JC - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:58 p.m.

Quote
Turning away help...and no amber alert?? Whats really going on here?
just concerned

Posted by usmc forever, holts summit - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:57 p.m.

Quote
I hope its not true but i just got a text saying they found her in the woods near her home murdered.
rejecting a helping hand

Posted by A. l, St Martins - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:41 p.m.

Quote
I just back back from trying to help find this little girl, and they were sending A LOT of people home including me, they did not give us a reason why they were sending all these people that wanted to help, home. Could anyone explain why that is?
I have a daughter, and I would NOT reject anyone that wants to help find my child. I understand that there might be a lot of people in this little girls neighborhood (where the cell phone signal was found) that does not mean that people can't branch out past that and look. You find things where you least expect it, and from the way it sounds that is the only place they are looking. I am just so disappointed that they were telling people to go home.
Missing in Missouri

Posted by cindy d, california mo - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:39 p.m.[/b]


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: higherhopes on October 22, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
OMG,,not again, this is crazy and Im about ready to just lock my child up, I cant believe this, not another one.....What is going on....is it just me or is this becoming a everyday thing, is there somekind of group going around doing this, I dont know what to say.......I just cant believe it, God Bless her Family and please help LE to find this one today....alive......please.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
Are the parents divorced? It may have been stated and I missed it. Is there bad feelings between mom and dad?

Has not been stated.  However, Patrica did take him to court to order a DNA paternity test for Elizabeth and he was her father.  Nothing indicates that they were married, just that Dale Sr is her Dad.  I am going on a limb here and guessing that Dale SR has been in Jail so much that he would not have had much contact with any of them.  JMO
Could very well be, just thought maybe, he took her for revenge or for whatever sick reason.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:12:03 PM
The have not given enough info to identify her house yet only a general area.  Her mom is Patrica Preiss as there was a DNA paternity case against Dale Sr in his 5 pages of court records.  No Preiss comes up in white page searches.  The woods they are searching based on info about the command center and which block the friend lived on and Elizabeth lived on I believe to be here.



That really doesn't look like a huge area, does it?


Fanny, there you are! i lost you!

I think they said its pretty hill-y and bad terrain, ponds trees hills and rain, harder to search

Yes, I am familiar with that area. It's just a lot smaller than I thought it would be. (I've been making jelly and reading along.)

Here is a wider view.  The news said the command centre was set up there as it was close to Elizabeth's house.  She had to walk 4 houses home (not confirmed) and it was 1/4 mile from friend to her house.  There is a huge section of woods north that could be where the cell was pinging from. 
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:16:16 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

St. Martins girl went missing coming home from friend's house
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 at 10:53 p.m.

ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 2:03 pm:

KRCG news has an update following an afternoon press conference with Cole County Sheriff Greg White.

White says so far they have no information that would lead them to believe foul play is involved.

There are now over 200 volunteers helping in the search. The sheriff says they have enough volunteers for the time being.

The rain is hampering the search effort which is still focusing on where AT&T says the Elizabeth's cell phone was last located.

The last "ping" pointed searchers to the woods behind the family's home. The family says it is a mystery why the cell phone would be in the woods because Elizabeth only walked near the woods.

The cell phone is no longer responding to the "pings" from the cell tower and could have a dead battery. The sheriff's office has requested the call records from AT&T.

Lowes Home Improvement store has donated rain gear for searchers.

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/olten%20missing%202.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)
(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/Elizabeth%20Olten.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)



Some comments from the link above:

Quote
turning people away

Posted by Beth Sweeten, Lohman - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 3:02 p.m.

My dad went to go help. He was told from somebody that they have an area ropped off and will not tell people what or why, but they have called in everyone who was searching. Does not sound too good.
questions2

Posted by Larson Bode, JC - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:58 p.m.

Quote
Turning away help...and no amber alert?? Whats really going on here?
just concerned

Posted by usmc forever, holts summit - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:57 p.m.

Quote
I hope its not true but i just got a text saying they found her in the woods near her home murdered.
rejecting a helping hand

Posted by A. l, St Martins - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:41 p.m.

Quote
I just back back from trying to help find this little girl, and they were sending A LOT of people home including me, they did not give us a reason why they were sending all these people that wanted to help, home. Could anyone explain why that is?
I have a daughter, and I would NOT reject anyone that wants to help find my child. I understand that there might be a lot of people in this little girls neighborhood (where the cell phone signal was found) that does not mean that people can't branch out past that and look. You find things where you least expect it, and from the way it sounds that is the only place they are looking. I am just so disappointed that they were telling people to go home.
Missing in Missouri

Posted by cindy d, california mo - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 2:39 p.m.[/b]

OMG .  I am sick right now.  I hope these people are wrong and it is just a rumour spread wild.  When I saw the picture of this girl it hit me hard as she looks so very similar to my daughter at that age. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:17:25 PM
The article that Klaas just posted, sure doesn't look good  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:20:49 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 3:04 pm:

Emergency officials on the scene tell KRCG that NO body has been found.

They say they are turning away volunteers only because they simply have too many.

The command post says that there are still volunteers searching the woods.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Edward on October 22, 2009, 04:21:17 PM
Damn.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:21:46 PM
Originally Posted by gypsyblue 
I found it extremely interesting that a particular RSO passes her home twice a day to work and back..... all within minutes from her home

rso barry millington

I am extrememly disturbed that this same individual works for a company that operates security video surveillance for schools.........     ::MonkeyEek:: Just saw this on WS, disturbing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 22, 2009, 04:23:31 PM
The article that Klaas just posted, sure doesn't look good  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have friends in the area...I called one who's BIL works for the Sheriff's Dept. She said her sister called her an hour or so ago and asked her to go out to dinner as her husband called and said he will not be home tonight. He has been involved in the search. She said he never talks about his work...but said her sister said he sounded stressed out and angry. This isn't looking too good.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 22, 2009, 04:27:26 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 3:04 pm:

Emergency officials on the scene tell KRCG that NO body has been found.

They say they are turning away volunteers only because they simply have too many.

The command post says that there are still volunteers searching the woods.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Who is running that command post? I have a feeling whoever it is has never handled a big search before. Too many volunteers?  That is crazy. These are people who probably live in, or near the area and know it....damn!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:29:30 PM
The picture that Klaas posted shows the searchers by a road sign that says 222 Lomo Drive (A) .  The command centre is at is set up at Xtreme Body & Paint (B) near her home.  She was last seen near the intersection of Rte D and interstate 50.  I am thinking that 222 Lomo Dr is the area that the friend lived and that she headed south towards xtreme body to get home.  There is a whole lot of woods between the two spots.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:32:06 PM
Originally Posted by gypsyblue 
I found it extremely interesting that a particular RSO passes her home twice a day to work and back..... all within minutes from her home

rso barry millington

I am extrememly disturbed that this same individual works for a company that operates security video surveillance for schools.........     ::MonkeyEek:: Just saw this on WS, disturbing.

WTH ... Are you kidding me?  I thought SO's we NOT supposed to be near schools let alone running their security cameras.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:36:50 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 3:04 pm:

Emergency officials on the scene tell KRCG that NO body has been found.

They say they are turning away volunteers only because they simply have too many.

The command post says that there are still volunteers searching the woods.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189

Who is running that command post? I have a feeling whoever it is has never handled a big search before. Too many volunteers?  That is crazy. These are people who probably live in, or near the area and know it....damn!!

Not sure who is running it but FBI was called in today.  I know what you mean about locals knowing it.  We have woods behind us and I walk the dog every day in those woods. I know when a new tree has fallen, when something has changed, when a rock has been moved etc.  because I am in them every day.  I can tell you where the fox holes are, where the owls live and where the deer like to eat in the morning. Locals know this better than anyone as they frequent the area. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
The article that Klaas just posted, sure doesn't look good  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have friends in the area...I called one who's BIL works for the Sheriff's Dept. She said her sister called her an hour or so ago and asked her to go out to dinner as her husband called and said he will not be home tonight. He has been involved in the search. She said he never talks about his work...but said her sister said he sounded stressed out and angry. This isn't looking too good.
Thank-you, it doesn't look good for this little one  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
Originally Posted by gypsyblue 
I found it extremely interesting that a particular RSO passes her home twice a day to work and back..... all within minutes from her home

rso barry millington

I am extrememly disturbed that this same individual works for a company that operates security video surveillance for schools.........     ::MonkeyEek:: Just saw this on WS, disturbing.

WTH ... Are you kidding me?  I thought SO's we NOT supposed to be near schools let alone running their security cameras.
   ::MonkeyNoNo:: I know


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
Roped off
Posted by Concerned Citizen, Missouri - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 3:29 p.m.
 
That is true about the roped off area. My friend is part of the search party and they told them to leave.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


 ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears::   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 04:45:43 PM
Roped off
Posted by Concerned Citizen, Missouri - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 3:29 p.m.
 
That is true about the roped off area. My friend is part of the search party and they told them to leave.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


 ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears::   
OMG


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
National group sends out posters of missing Missouri girl

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is distributing posters to aid in locating Elizabeth K. Olten, the nine-year-old from Cole County who went missing Wednesday.

The poster describes Olten as a white female with brown hair and brown eyes, 5 feet 2 inches high, and 108 pounds.

She went missing from St. Martins, Mo. She was last seen wearing a pink sweater, jeans, and white shoes.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Cole County Sheriff’s Office 1-573-634-9100 or the Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1 800 843-5678.

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20091022/BREAKING01/91022042/National+group+sends+out+posters+of+missing+Missouri+girl


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 04:49:44 PM


BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 22, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
What does it mean??? Have they found something and not teling??
O/T- No Rose keep an  ::MonkeyEek:: on SC for me while I'm gone LOL.... ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:04:57 PM
What does it mean??? Have they found something and not teling??
O/T- No Rose keep an  ::MonkeyEek:: on SC for me while I'm gone LOL.... ::MonkeyKiss::

No idea right now.  No local feeds so it is hard to say.  SC is safe with us.  We will get busy!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:07:06 PM
What does it mean??? Have they found something and not teling??
O/T- No Rose keep an  ::MonkeyEek:: on SC for me while I'm gone LOL.... ::MonkeyKiss::

No idea right now.  No local feeds so it is hard to say.  SC is safe with us.  We will get busy!

I've been busy in here all day, havent fallen asleep once!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:10:47 PM
is there any live feed of what going on out there, that you know of?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
What does it mean??? Have they found something and not teling??
O/T- No Rose keep an  ::MonkeyEek:: on SC for me while I'm gone LOL.... ::MonkeyKiss::
I will  ::MonkeyWink::  I'm not sure, there is a roped off area  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:14:17 PM
6 min ago - Volunteer: Officials Stop Sending Out Volunteers
Volunteer members of a group searching for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten said they were told by law enforcement officials that no more people would be sent out to search for the girl. Officials have scheduled a 7 p.m. news conference to discuss the case.   Posted by Matt



http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Missing%20Person&franchise=&county=Cole&city=189&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 05:14:39 PM
She is tall for a 9 year old isn't she? 5'2"? That size of a girl could have been mistaken as an adult walking down the street. Does that area have prostitution?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 05:16:08 PM
6 min ago - Volunteer: Officials Stop Sending Out Volunteers
Volunteer members of a group searching for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten said they were told by law enforcement officials that no more people would be sent out to search for the girl. Officials have scheduled a 7 p.m. news conference to discuss the case.   Posted by Matt



http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Missing%20Person&franchise=&county=Cole&city=189&partner=

Oh god folks, hold onto your hats... this does not sound good.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:17:58 PM


BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:19:25 PM
She is tall for a 9 year old isn't she? 5'2"? That size of a girl could have been mistaken as an adult walking down the street. Does that area have prostitution?

Yes I thought that as well.  At age 9 I do not think my daughter was even 4'2.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 05:24:18 PM
I don't think I was 5'2" until the 7th grade.

The reports are confusing. Why would they send volunteers home? They might ask if they could hang flyers or something, but too many? I will just wait until the press conference I guess. It is only 2:25 hear, what time is it at? 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
coincidence?

Officers Enforce Sex Registration

BOONE COUNTY - Officers from the Boone County Sheriff's Department conducted a daylong search on Thursday to reinforce registration for sex offenders.

Convicted sex offenders are required to register with law enforcement according to Missouri State Law RsMO 589.400 and the federal Adam Walsh Act. According to a release, officer tried to contact 78 people, they were successful with 39. Officers discovered four violations and made three arrests for violations.

All convicted sex offenders covered under these laws are encouraged to register at the Sheriff's Department by calling 573-875-1111.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7ddb1ada-80ce-0971-0183-0983af402bc6


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
I don't think I was 5'2" until the 7th grade.

The reports are confusing. Why would they send volunteers home? They might ask if they could hang flyers or something, but too many? I will just wait until the press conference I guess. It is only 2:25 hear, what time is it at? 

The update said 7pm.  I believe it is 4:25 in MO right now.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:26:03 PM
She is tall for a 9 year old isn't she? 5'2"? That size of a girl could have been mistaken as an adult walking down the street. Does that area have prostitution?

Yes I thought that as well.  At age 9 I do not think my daughter was even 4'2.

All i can say is that in 5th grade i was the tallest girl in the class, and i never grew anymore again, i became shorter and shorter than everyone as the yrs went on and i am 5' 4"


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:28:10 PM
coincidence?

Officers Enforce Sex Registration

BOONE COUNTY - Officers from the Boone County Sheriff's Department conducted a daylong search on Thursday to reinforce registration for sex offenders.

Convicted sex offenders are required to register with law enforcement according to Missouri State Law RsMO 589.400 and the federal Adam Walsh Act. According to a release, officer tried to contact 78 people, they were successful with 39. Officers discovered four violations and made three arrests for violations.

All convicted sex offenders covered under these laws are encouraged to register at the Sheriff's Department by calling 573-875-1111.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7ddb1ada-80ce-0971-0183-0983af402bc6

I find it VERY sad that it takes something like this to open LE's eyes to this problem ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:29:19 PM
KOMUnews just sent out this tweet:

KOMUnews: Elizabeth Olten Search Effort to volunteers: Please call before you come. 573-634-9100. ^ER
16 minutes ago from CoTweet

http://twitter.com/#search?q=olten


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 05:30:14 PM
Just throwing this out there, but I doubt it, could she have fallen in one of those ponds by accident? Have the ponds been completely searched?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
KOMUnews just sent out this tweet:

KOMUnews: Elizabeth Olten Search Effort to volunteers: Please call before you come. 573-634-9100. ^ER
16 minutes ago from CoTweet

http://twitter.com/#search?q=olten
Well by the sound of that, they must not have found anything, if they are saying this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:31:58 PM
coincidence?

Officers Enforce Sex Registration

BOONE COUNTY - Officers from the Boone County Sheriff's Department conducted a daylong search on Thursday to reinforce registration for sex offenders.

Convicted sex offenders are required to register with law enforcement according to Missouri State Law RsMO 589.400 and the federal Adam Walsh Act. According to a release, officer tried to contact 78 people, they were successful with 39. Officers discovered four violations and made three arrests for violations.

All convicted sex offenders covered under these laws are encouraged to register at the Sheriff's Department by calling 573-875-1111.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7ddb1ada-80ce-0971-0183-0983af402bc6

I find it VERY sad that it takes something like this to open LE's eyes to this problem ::MonkeyNoNo::

They were only successfull contacting half of them.  Yup the whole SO back in the community monitoring sure is working well as long as they did not set their goals above 50% compliance rate. 

 ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:33:00 PM
Just throwing this out there, but I doubt it, could she have fallen in one of those ponds by accident? Have the ponds been completely searched?

They have not stated that either way.  Just that they are focusing in the woods where the cell phone was pinpointed.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:35:41 PM
9 min ago - Officials: Search Not Called Off
Officials on the scene said they were not accepting new volunteers, but that the search for Elizabeth Olten had not been called off. Officers from the Missouri State Water Patrol also are in St. Martins.   Posted by Matt LeBlanc


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Missing%20Person&franchise=&county=Cole&city=189&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 05:36:03 PM
Ok. Jelly is done for now. no sticky fingers.
SCAREY, are you hanging in ok?  ::MonkeyKiss::

This is getting to be too much all the way around.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just watched Somer's mother's presser.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 05:36:33 PM
What do they offer these men as a way of "treatment"? Do they undergo counseling? I would like to know the rate of success these programs have? I bet it is right around 0


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 05:37:08 PM
Just throwing this out there, but I doubt it, could she have fallen in one of those ponds by accident? Have the ponds been completely searched?

They have not stated that either way.  Just that they are focusing in the woods where the cell phone was pinpointed.

And what on earth is "roped off?"


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:37:47 PM
Ra'Vae Edwards wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:20 PM:

" I am the public information specialist for Missouri Missing, I have been in constant communication with Peggy Florence and Elizabeth's family since last night. There are a lot of questions about the relationship between Elizabeth and Dale Olten Sr.
It is in fact true that Dale Olten Sr. is her father. He is currently serving time in prison on drug charges.
Dale is also the man that Jasmine was dating at the time of her disappearance in June of 2007. This is not a rumor. However, this does not in any way mean that the two cases are related.
Jasmine's mother, Peggy Florence, has been with Elizabeth's family since last night and will continue to be by their side until Elizabeth is found. "


http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:40:48 PM
I found in one of the article comments that Dale S was released 15/10/2009 but went to a different correctional facility and is currently there.  I have not found him as an inmate yet, but the statement above indicates that he may well be in the klink as well.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
Ra'Vae Edwards wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:23 PM:

" Peggy asks that everyone refrain from coming to conclusions and/or spreading rumors involving Elizabeth or Jasmine.
Her heart is breaking for this family and until Elizabeth is found safe, she asks that everyone continue to pray for her safe return and for strength for this family. "

http://www.komu.com//satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/61f5f746-80ce-0971-019d-8500acdc7d96


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:43:13 PM
Just throwing this out there, but I doubt it, could she have fallen in one of those ponds by accident? Have the ponds been completely searched?

They have not stated that either way.  Just that they are focusing in the woods where the cell phone was pinpointed.

And what on earth is "roped off?"

Don't know, but several volunteers have stated that now.  I guess we find out in the 7pm news conference.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:43:16 PM
Ok. Jelly is done for now. no sticky fingers.
SCAREY, are you hanging in ok?  ::MonkeyKiss::

This is getting to be too much all the way around.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just watched Somer's mother's presser.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Yep still here and still kickin, i gave in an am on my 3rd cup of coffee, drank lots of water earlier tho.

Just baffled by all of these children and their cases, defies comprehension  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:45:40 PM
rumors
Posted by K H, central MO - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 4:35 p.m.
 
I can't even begin to tell all the rumors and thoughts and suspicions I've hearding regarding Elizabeth's disappearance and for reasons of uncertainty, I refuse to mention them. We don't know for sure what's going on, what's been found--if anything, or which rumors to believe and to repeat what someone's father's friend, a searcher, a concerned citizen or a 'rubber-necker' heard or saw is completely counterproductive and I for one will not believe anything unless I receive it from a reliable source (local news, police officer with first-hand knowledge, FBI, etc.) I've been praying for this family, for Elizabeth, and for her friend and her friend's family. I think now we all need to pray that the TRUTH will be shared and not hear-say and rumors.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
Ra'Vae Edwards wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:20 PM:

" I am the public information specialist for Missouri Missing, I have been in constant communication with Peggy Florence and Elizabeth's family since last night. There are a lot of questions about the relationship between Elizabeth and Dale Olten Sr.
It is in fact true that Dale Olten Sr. is her father. He is currently serving time in prison on drug charges.
Dale is also the man that Jasmine was dating at the time of her disappearance in June of 2007. This is not a rumor. However, this does not in any way mean that the two cases are related.
Jasmine's mother, Peggy Florence, has been with Elizabeth's family since last night and will continue to be by their side until Elizabeth is found. "


http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2

Very strange  ::MonkeyEek:: ...........


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: higherhopes on October 22, 2009, 05:51:52 PM
I dont like the sound of the property being roped off, that means that a certain area has been selected to be of special interest, something important happened in this area if it is indeed roped off, and thats why they have it that way, so strangers and others dont go around that area, they want to be able to gather evidence or look for evidence and other people milling around would make that difficult, ....I cant believ this is actually going on again.......and not looking good.......OMG


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:52:34 PM


11 min ago - Authorities Take Over Search
Cole County authorities say they've taken over the search for Elizabeth Olten and have sent volunteer searchers home.  Posted by Matt LeBlanc

http://kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
I dont like the sound of the property being roped off, that means that a certain area has been selected to be of special interest, something important happened in this area if it is indeed roped off, and thats why they have it that way, so strangers and others dont go around that area, they want to be able to gather evidence or look for evidence and other people milling around would make that difficult, ....I cant believ this is actually going on again.......and not looking good.......OMG

I was hoping they found the cell phone.  Then they said the search was not called off that they had too many searchers.  Now they are saying they have called off the search.

I hope the 7pm news conference has good news. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:55:25 PM
4 min ago - New Description of Missing Child Released
Officials said Thursday afternoon Elizabeth Olten was wearing a pink T-shirt with a darker pink vest over that when she went missing. She also was wearing jeans with pink ribbons on them, officials said. The description differs slightly from what investigators had first said.  Posted by Matt LeBlanc

http://kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 05:57:34 PM
I dont like the sound of the property being roped off, that means that a certain area has been selected to be of special interest, something important happened in this area if it is indeed roped off, and thats why they have it that way, so strangers and others dont go around that area, they want to be able to gather evidence or look for evidence and other people milling around would make that difficult, ....I cant believ this is actually going on again.......and not looking good.......OMG

It is probably where her cell phone pinged last


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 05:57:35 PM

SloSthrnStyle wrote:
Are there any updates? Being reported area taped off and not taking anymore volunteers. News conference tonight? Any locals out there to answer the questions? We are all praying for Elizabeth.

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO
says:

The FBI has become involved & every off-duty police officer & fireman are working on things... There are roughly 100 people searching the wooded area by her home (where the faint "bing" from her cell phone was coming from before the battery died). They're working in a grid type manner, taping each area off after they search it & then moving onto the next area. I know a lot of locals who were helping to search, but because of the use of the infared, they've asked everyone to kinda back off so they could keep track of the people searching & know whether they're seeing one of them or someone/something else on the infared.

I'm sure they've looked into any relation to what has happened with other family members in the past and any other people who might've been involved in that.

The fact that there isn't an Amber Alert really alarms me. I understand that there has to be certain criteria met, but there's a 9 year old who has been missing for nearly 24 hours now. What more criteria do we need? Get Elizabeth's picture out there. Let us post it on our electronic billboards in STL & other cities. Make people more aware. I thought that was part of the reason Missouri put all those electronic signs along I-70. I'm still praying every minute for her safe return home to her mom, family & friends. Thank you to everyone else who's doing the same. 


http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p4#lastPost

 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 05:58:29 PM
From the person claining to be the family friend:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO

 #62 15 min ago
SloSthrnStyle wrote:
Are there any updates? Being reported area taped off and not taking anymore volunteers. News conference tonight? Any locals out there to answer the questions? We are all praying for Elizabeth.
The FBI has become involved & every off-duty police officer & fireman are working on things... There are roughly 100 people searching the wooded area by her home (where the faint "bing" from her cell phone was coming from before the battery died). They're working in a grid type manner, taping each area off after they search it & then moving onto the next area. I know a lot of locals who were helping to search, but because of the use of the infared, they've asked everyone to kinda back off so they could keep track of the people searching & know whether they're seeing one of them or someone/something else on the infared.

I'm sure they've looked into any relation to what has happened with other family members in the past and any other people who might've been involved in that.

The fact that there isn't an Amber Alert really alarms me. I understand that there has to be certain criteria met, but there's a 9 year old who has been missing for nearly 24 hours now. What more criteria do we need? Get Elizabeth's picture out there. Let us post it on our electronic billboards in STL & other cities. Make people more aware. I thought that was part of the reason Missouri put all those electronic signs along I-70. I'm still praying every minute for her safe return home to her mom, family & friends. Thank you to everyone else who's doing the same. 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p4


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:00:33 PM
From the person claining to be the family friend:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO

 #62 15 min ago
SloSthrnStyle wrote:
Are there any updates? Being reported area taped off and not taking anymore volunteers. News conference tonight? Any locals out there to answer the questions? We are all praying for Elizabeth.
The FBI has become involved & every off-duty police officer & fireman are working on things... There are roughly 100 people searching the wooded area by her home (where the faint "bing" from her cell phone was coming from before the battery died). They're working in a grid type manner, taping each area off after they search it & then moving onto the next area. I know a lot of locals who were helping to search, but because of the use of the infared, they've asked everyone to kinda back off so they could keep track of the people searching & know whether they're seeing one of them or someone/something else on the infared.

I'm sure they've looked into any relation to what has happened with other family members in the past and any other people who might've been involved in that.

The fact that there isn't an Amber Alert really alarms me. I understand that there has to be certain criteria met, but there's a 9 year old who has been missing for nearly 24 hours now. What more criteria do we need? Get Elizabeth's picture out there. Let us post it on our electronic billboards in STL & other cities. Make people more aware. I thought that was part of the reason Missouri put all those electronic signs along I-70. I'm still praying every minute for her safe return home to her mom, family & friends. Thank you to everyone else who's doing the same. 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p4


Seems we are every where!!!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:01:05 PM
Posted: Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:59PM

Nine year old missing in central Missouri

Brian Kelly/Maria Keena Reporting
bpkelly@cbs.com

 
ST. MARTINS, Mo (KMOX)  -- Niney law enforcement officers and 250 volunteers are looking for a nine year old girl missing from the Cole County, Missouri town of St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White says Elizabeth Olten left the friend's house around 6:15 p.m. Wednesday and was supposed to walk about a quarter mile to her home in St. Martins. She was reported missing around 7 p.m.

They say Elizabeth Olten has long brown hair and brown eyes and was wearing a pink sweater, blue jeans and white shoes.
 
http://www.kmox.com/pages/5501588.php?contentType=4&contentId=4916928


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:01:54 PM
From the person claining to be the family friend:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO

 #62 15 min ago
SloSthrnStyle wrote:
Are there any updates? Being reported area taped off and not taking anymore volunteers. News conference tonight? Any locals out there to answer the questions? We are all praying for Elizabeth.
The FBI has become involved & every off-duty police officer & fireman are working on things... There are roughly 100 people searching the wooded area by her home (where the faint "bing" from her cell phone was coming from before the battery died). They're working in a grid type manner, taping each area off after they search it & then moving onto the next area. I know a lot of locals who were helping to search, but because of the use of the infared, they've asked everyone to kinda back off so they could keep track of the people searching & know whether they're seeing one of them or someone/something else on the infared.

I'm sure they've looked into any relation to what has happened with other family members in the past and any other people who might've been involved in that.

The fact that there isn't an Amber Alert really alarms me. I understand that there has to be certain criteria met, but there's a 9 year old who has been missing for nearly 24 hours now. What more criteria do we need? Get Elizabeth's picture out there. Let us post it on our electronic billboards in STL & other cities. Make people more aware. I thought that was part of the reason Missouri put all those electronic signs along I-70. I'm still praying every minute for her safe return home to her mom, family & friends. Thank you to everyone else who's doing the same. 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p4


ooops that last post was suppose to be here....im such a dork.
We are everywhere!!!! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:02:33 PM
The live news feed just kicked in

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:03:34 PM
From the person claining to be the family friend:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO

 #62 15 min ago
SloSthrnStyle wrote:
Are there any updates? Being reported area taped off and not taking anymore volunteers. News conference tonight? Any locals out there to answer the questions? We are all praying for Elizabeth.
The FBI has become involved & every off-duty police officer & fireman are working on things... There are roughly 100 people searching the wooded area by her home (where the faint "bing" from her cell phone was coming from before the battery died). They're working in a grid type manner, taping each area off after they search it & then moving onto the next area. I know a lot of locals who were helping to search, but because of the use of the infared, they've asked everyone to kinda back off so they could keep track of the people searching & know whether they're seeing one of them or someone/something else on the infared.

I'm sure they've looked into any relation to what has happened with other family members in the past and any other people who might've been involved in that.

The fact that there isn't an Amber Alert really alarms me. I understand that there has to be certain criteria met, but there's a 9 year old who has been missing for nearly 24 hours now. What more criteria do we need? Get Elizabeth's picture out there. Let us post it on our electronic billboards in STL & other cities. Make people more aware. I thought that was part of the reason Missouri put all those electronic signs along I-70. I'm still praying every minute for her safe return home to her mom, family & friends. Thank you to everyone else who's doing the same. 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV/p4


ooops that last post was suppose to be here....im such a dork.
We are everywhere!!!! ::MonkeyKiss::

You are wonderful   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:03:44 PM
gosh I give up...I had it right the first time...I really am a dork!!!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 06:04:34 PM
pretty chilly and wet there


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 06:05:51 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:08:25 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Elizabeth's dad was involved with her daughter.  They know each other that way?  Her daughter was arrested with her dad at one time and then she came up missing is the way I understand it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:10:09 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Might have been.  Just the fact that Dale is Elizabeth's father and that Jasmine was his g/f when she disappeared would be enough of a connection.  The two mothers may have become friends when Jasmine disappeared.?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 06:11:47 PM
Yes, that could be, what in the world happened, just like with Lindsey and Somer so close to home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 06:15:34 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:16:50 PM
Yes, that could be, what in the world happened, just like with Lindsey and Somer so close to home.

Like I said before, maybe they should throw all the SO's out in the streets and lock our children in the jails to keep them safe.  FTLOG if they are happy with a 50% compliance rate in a check of SO's that does not speak well for the whole l"et them out on the streets and report where they are" system they have now.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance

It's been said the dad was not in Elizabeths life, and when Jasmine disappeared, her mother was trying to find out all she could....who better, then the mother of his child/ren.
But that is the connection to me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would Elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance

If my daughter went missing and her b/f was the last to see her you can bet your booty that I would be asking that b/f's  former wives and g/f's everything about him and if he had any special isolated places that he liked to go.  They could very well have become friendly when Jasmine went missing because of having the common Dale connection.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:21:26 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance

It's been said the dad was not in Elizabeths life, and when Jasmine disappeared, her mother was trying to find out all she could....who better, then the mother of his child/ren.
But that is the connection to me.

You said it much better than my attempt at it.  TY  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:23:24 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
im headin home ill be back on later, hope they find this  ::MonkeyAngel:: alive and well in a tree fort or somethin!!!

Keep up the good reporting monks!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would Elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance

If my daughter went missing and her b/f was the last to see her you can bet your booty that I would be asking that b/f's  former wives and g/f's everything about him and if he had any special isolated places that he liked to go.  They could very well have become friendly when Jasmine went missing because of having the common Dale connection.

I don't know, but I thought you made your point pretty good as well!  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:27:08 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance

It's been said the dad was not in Elizabeths life, and when Jasmine disappeared, her mother was trying to find out all she could....who better, then the mother of his child/ren.
But that is the connection to me.

You said it much better than my attempt at it.  TY  ::MonkeyKiss::

You said it just fine and dandy to me!!!!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
im headin home ill be back on later, hope they find this  ::MonkeyAngel:: alive and well in a tree fort or somethin!!!

Keep up the good reporting monks!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Be careful, SCAREY. Lock your doors, go straight home, and check back in when you get there. We promised MunkeyMunk!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:28:39 PM
im headin home ill be back on later, hope they find this  ::MonkeyAngel:: alive and well in a tree fort or somethin!!!

Keep up the good reporting monks!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Be safe SC, lock your doors and windows and let Munk know you got home  ::MonkeyAngel::

I am off to go BBQ some burgers for the kids before the news conference.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
im headin home ill be back on later, hope they find this  ::MonkeyAngel:: alive and well in a tree fort or somethin!!!

Keep up the good reporting monks!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Be safe...sending an  ::MonkeyAngel:: with you.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:29:33 PM
I'm confused about Jasmine's mother being with Elizabeth's mother  ::MonkeyConfused:: Perhaps they were friends before Jasmine disappeared?

Thats why i was confused too, why would Elizabeth's mom be friends with elizabeth's dad's gf's mom.... unless they share a distain for Elizabeth's dad and think he is involved in his gf's dissapearance

If my daughter went missing and her b/f was the last to see her you can bet your booty that I would be asking that b/f's  former wives and g/f's everything about him and if he had any special isolated places that he liked to go.  They could very well have become friendly when Jasmine went missing because of having the common Dale connection.

I don't know, but I thought you made your point pretty good as well!  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Thanks Fanny  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 22, 2009, 06:30:22 PM
I'm gone too, my husband is gonna have a fit, Ive packed only 1 box today and we are moving Saturday.... Im in sooo much trouble LOLOL.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:31:56 PM
I'm gone too, my husband is gonna have a fit, Ive packed only 1 box today and we are moving Saturday.... Im in sooo much trouble LOLOL.

Be safe  ::MonkeyAngel::  The boxes will get done.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 06:33:17 PM
Before I leave I am posting the live feed again.  It looks to be absolutely misserable weather wise there.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: higherhopes on October 22, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
Before I leave I am posting the live feed again.  It looks to be absolutely misserable weather wise there.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2
everytime I try to get on that site all I get is a red x........maybe I just wasnt meant to see it...
 I hope and pray this child is found alive and well, but with every hour that passes things look more and more grim.......poor poor baby.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 22, 2009, 06:53:21 PM
I'm gone too, my husband is gonna have a fit, Ive packed only 1 box today and we are moving Saturday.... Im in sooo much trouble LOLOL.

Things will work out. You have a good heart.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:01:30 PM
Elizabeth Olten Vanishes Walking Home from Friend's House
CBS' Crimesider reported Thursday that a 9-year-old Missouri girl, Elizabeth Olten, has been missing since Wednesday in Cole County. Elizabeth Olten disappeared sometime after leaving a friend's home at around 6:15 p.m. When she did not arrive home by 7 p.m., her family called the police. Elizabeth Olten's friend lives just a quarter mile from her house.   Volunteers, family, and authorities searched the woods surrounding the path the 9-year-old would have taken for hours into the night. The search resumed on Thursday.

Elizabeth Olten went missing in the small town of St. Martin, Missouri, roughly 150 miles west of St. Louis. Authorities reported that Olten was supposed to have returned home after visiting a friend but never made it to her house. The Jefferson City News-Tribune reported that family said that the 9-year-old girl was both afraid of the woods and of the dark, so being out at night was very uncharacteristic and reason for worry.


MORE...


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2314355/elizabeth_olten_is_missing_9yearold.html?cat=9


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
9-year-old Leaves Friend's House, Disappears

COLE COUNTY, Mo. -- Authorities are searching for a 9-year-old girl who never arrived home after leaving a friend's house.

Elizabeth Olten was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home Wednesday evening around 6:15.

She reported missing by her family when she didn't arrive by 7 p.m., Cole County authorities said.

Olten's family said she is afraid of the woods and the dark, so she wouldn't normally be out at night.

Police and FBI are searching for the girl but weather and wet terrain is hampering the operation.

Olten was last seen wearing a pink scarf, pink sweater, butterfly t-shirt, blue jeans and white shoes.

She is about 5 feet 2 inches tall, has long brown hair, brown eyes and weighs about 102 pounds.

For more information click on the link to visit the "Help Find Elizabeth Olten" page on Facebook.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Cole County Sheriff's Office 1-573-634-9100 or the Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1 800 843-5678.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-olten,0,3875972.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Intense Search Launched For Missing 9-Year-Old
An intense search was underway Thursday for a 9-year-old girl who disappeared after leaving a friend’s house and whose cell phone was tracked to some deep woods in the area.

Video

http://video.ap.org/?t=By%20Section/U.S.&g=1022dv_mo_missing_girl&f=1139949


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:06:02 PM
Elizabeth K. Olten
Missouri Girl, 9, Vanishes After Leaving Friend's Home
Elizabeth Olten, 9, left her friend's house in St. Martins, Mo. around dusk on the evening of October 21, 2009. When she didn't return home a short time later, her parents called police to report her missing. Now, cops need your eyes and ears to help them bring Elizabeth home safely.
»The Full Story



http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=68930


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:39:31 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:44:38 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 6:25 p.m.:



Cole County Sheriff Greg White tells KRCG that all searchers, including law enforcement, are being pulled out of the woods.



White says the woods are too dank and wet to continue a safe search tonight for missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten.

White says they traced the source of the rumor that a body had been located. The sheriff said it is totally untrue and that no body has been recovered.

KRCG’s crew at the scene says police officers are now stopping cars coming in and out of the area handing out flyers and asking questions.

Many are questioning why an Amber Alert has not been issued. The Highway Patrol says that the law creating the amber alert defines specific criteria, which include evidence of abduction.

Sheriff White says he has no evidence so far that Elizabeth was abducted, but says if new information comes forth he will request an Amber Alert.

The highway patrol says the specific criteria are designed to keep the amber alert system from being overused.

In this case, an endangered person's advisory was issued instead.

"We put this out to law enforcement all through the Region F area, which is a thirteen-county area, and of course entered it into the NCIC which covers the United States,” says Sheriff White. “So the simple difference would be how much the average citizen would get on it.”

Meaning that with an advisory there is no activation of the warning systems on TV’s, radios or highway signs.

KRCG has confirmed that Elizabeth lives with her mother. Her father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in a prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession.
 

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 07:50:04 PM
At the time Elizabeth was coming home it wasn't dark out yet, correct, at least it isn't here at that time. So again I wonder if anyone saw anything. It just seems so surprising to me how these children vanish, and nobody sees anything.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 22, 2009, 07:57:22 PM
checking in for news...It is almost five here so I am thinking it is almost 7 in MO? I don't have sound so I will rely on all my monkey friends to clue me in.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
October 22, 2009:
Actual Time Rise: 7:25 AM CDT  Set: 6:21 PM CDT

http://www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Saint_Martins.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
checking in for news...It is almost five here so I am thinking it is almost 7 in MO? I don't have sound so I will rely on all my monkey friends to clue me in.



It will be 7:00pm there in a few minutes.  I still have not found a live feed other than
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2

And they are still showing traffic in the dark


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:03:22 PM
NG is talking about Elizabeth on her show tonight


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:06:23 PM
200+ volunteers search for missing girl

ST. MARTINS -- The search continues Thursday night for Elizabeth Olten, 9, in St. Martins. The local VFW post has tuned into the command center for authorities and the hundreds of volunteers who showed up to help.

More than 200 hundred people showed up throughout the day to help search a patch of woods behind Olten's home.

"It's really scary because you just never know,” said volunteer Laura Parris-Henningsen. She drove to the VFW Hall in St. Martins as soon as she heard the news Thursday morning.

Parris-Henningsen's son goes to Pioneer Trails Elementary School, the same school Olten attends.

"I let my kid walk down to the Dollar General from our house which is less than a mile with his friends, and you think, 'Wow, he may never come back,” said Parris-Henningsen.

Sheriff White says the wet weather has made search efforts hard on the volunteers and law enforcement. But that's not enough to keep many of the volunteers away.

"I'll be here until she gets found,” said Parris-Henningsen.

No more volunteers were needed for Thursday night searches.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366615


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: joesamas mama on October 22, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
Is the 7 pm press conference over? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 08:26:36 PM
October 22, 2009:
Actual Time Rise: 7:25 AM CDT  Set: 6:21 PM CDT

http://www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Saint_Martins.html
Thanks


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:28:31 PM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE: Thursday 7:15 p.m.:

A 24-hour manned tipline has been set up to take calls from anyone who might have information on the case.

The number is 1-866-362-6422. Anyone who has information or may have seen something is encouraged to call in. 

Sheriff White says the Highway Patrol helicopter will be out searching again Friday.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:29:16 PM
Is the 7 pm press conference over? TIA JSM

I have no idea JSM.  There is no streaming of it that I could find.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
October 22, 2009:
Actual Time Rise: 7:25 AM CDT  Set: 6:21 PM CDT

http://www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Saint_Martins.html
Thanks

BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: joesamas mama on October 22, 2009, 08:31:08 PM
Is the 7 pm press conference over? TIA JSM

I have no idea JSM.  There is no streaming of it that I could find.
Thanks Northern.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
New video on right side of this page.  They will report about the press conference at 9pm CDT.

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: joesamas mama on October 22, 2009, 08:41:20 PM
New video on right side of this page.  They will report about the press conference at 9pm CDT.

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297
  ::MonkeyAngel:: Thanks Northern.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:47:33 PM
Tweets from rebeccagberg reporter for Columbia Missourian :

Missing Missouri girl's aunt speaks out as press conference, says her niece would not wander off on her own. @CoMissourian
5 minutes ago from UberTwitter     

Cole County Sheriff's Dept to widen search tomorrow for 9yo Elizabeth Olten. She has now been missing for 24 hours. @CoMissourian
4 minutes ago from UberTwitter

http://twitter.com/rebeccagberg


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:48:40 PM
3 min ago - Tip Hotline Established
There is now a hot line if you have tips about Elizabeth Olten's disappearance: 866-362-6422  Posted by Adam Forgie


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15297


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:50:27 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 08:57:34 PM
Map that NG had up


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 09:08:38 PM
From what was reported on NG here is an updated map


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 09:16:11 PM
Putting all the pieces from the reports together.  Not sure where she would have crossed Rte D from friends house, but since the cell is in the woods behind her house not sure it matters.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 22, 2009, 09:27:56 PM
Thanks for the maps, I don't get this either, is there any possibility she could have been spooked by something and ran in the woods and fallen into the pond or a hole, anything. I know that makes little sense, but something doesn't seem right here.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: joesamas mama on October 22, 2009, 09:29:25 PM
Thanks Northern for all the maps and links you have given today. You have done a tremendous job for Elizabeth. I just wanted you to know Job well done. I pray they find her safe and sound, although from what I have read that she is afraid of the woods, it might not turn out to be.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 22, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
This is all just so sad it doesn't make sense, none of these cases do!!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2009, 10:24:44 PM
Not sure if this link has been posted yet.  It's a link to check cell towers anywhere in the USA.  Might be handy to bookmark:

http://www.antennasearch.com/default.asp


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:33:56 PM
Search for missing girl ends for the night


JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (KMOX)  -- The search for a missing nine year old girl near Jefferson City has been called off for the night and will resume Friday.
 
Nine year old Elizabeth Olten has been missing since she failed to return from a friend's house near St. Martins Wednesday evening.

Hundreds of volunteers have been searching rough terrain, including a wooded area in the rain for the girl.

Elizabeth is described as a shy girl who is very familiar with the quarter mile walk from her friends home. 

 http://www.kmox.com/Search-for-missing-girl-ends-for-the-night/5502803



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:34:55 PM
Missing Girl Search: Called Off For the Night

Rescue crews in Mid-Missouri are taking a much-needed break after looking all day for a missing girl.

Hundreds of volunteers have been scouring the area around St. Martins, Missouri.

They've been looking for Elizabeth Olten, who hasn't been seen since Wednesday afternoon.

Cole County authorities say the 9-year-old was last seen leaving a friend's home.

They stopped the search when it got too dark.

"We've in essence taken a Google map of the area, put a grid over the top of it, and we check every square of that grid twice," says Cole County Sheriff Greg White.

Elizabeth was supposed to walk the quarter mile home but never made it.

She was wearing a pink t-shirt with a darker pink vest over that when she went missing.

She was wearing blue jeans with pink ribbons on them.

Volunteers were turned away after authorities said they had 300 search members and 100 emergency personnel.

"And I was saying, 'Well I have a ten year-old son myself', and I was like, can't really let this go. So we got together to come on down here to try to see what we can do to help out," said search volunteer Scott Lamm.

A 24-hour manned tip line has been set up to take calls from anyone who might have information in the case.

Here's the number: 1-866-362-6422.

No Amber Alert has been issued because there's no evidence Elizabeth has been abducted.

Teams will head back out tomorrow.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=198391#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:36:39 PM
How Your Cell Phone Could Help In A Crisis

The missing 9-year-old Missouri Girl, Elizabeth Olten, had a cell phone with her when she disappeared.
   
This makes a lot of parents start to wonder if their cell phone could help in a crisis.
   
Cell phones can be used to track our movements through GPS. Parents are turning to these to find out where their kids are and now there's even a phone that lets you know where sexual predators are exactly where your standing.

Eighteen-year-old Elizabeth Niles uses her i-Phone to stay in touch with her not so safe surroundings. "I live on the west side and it blew me away because I had a feeling there were quite a few offenders, but it blew me away to know how close they were.," explains Niles.

That's because she has the new i-Phone offender locater application. "It definitely has made me more aware and cautious," adds Niles.

You can search offenders based on where your at or by an address. It then shows their picture, their address, and what they are convicted of doing.

"If your on vacation your going to know to pull up the address that your hotel is, the address of where your camping , even if you're looking for a house while your're there with your realtor," explains Richard James,  a Manager at Springfield's Best Buy.

If you don't have the i-Phone there is another service that could help you, it's called Family Map. It's called different thins based on your carrier. What you do is you sign up and you can be notified as to where your child is at any point of the day.

"Its best for if your child is walking home from school and you want a text to let you know your child is at home, so then they have piece of mind," adds James.

This service will only work while the phone is on. Some people are critical of how updated the sex offenders databases are, but for those like Niles she say it's already working.

"I definitely think its prevented some situations just for me," adds Niles.
   
The i-Phone Application only costs a couple of dollars.
The Family Maps will differ depending on the carrier.
AT&T charges $9.99

If you don't want to shell out the money for cell phones for your kids, there are family plans to sign up for. The family plans cost less and you can choose to sign up for only the basic services.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=198401


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:38:02 PM
Authorities Suspend Search for Missing Girl Until Morning

COLE COUNTY - Authorities have suspended the search for Elizabeth Olten, a 9-year-old girl from the St. Martins area who went missing Wednesday evening, because of nightfall.

Authorities and volunteers will resume the search at 10 a.m. Friday. About 250 volunteers came out Thursday, joining about 100 officials, to search for the missing girl.

Officials are interviewing registered sex offenders in the area, but they haven't named any persons of interest. No Amber Alert has been issued because the disappearance has not been confirmed as an abduction.

Authorities have little evidence. Olten was carrying a cell phone when she disappeared. Officials have confirmed that the cell phone is located in the woods within the search area. The woods weren't on Olten's route home. The phone's battery has died, and without the signal, officials can't track the phone. Investigators are also looking into her call history.

Officials and volunteers have combed through the one-half square mile search area twice, Cole County Sheriff Greg White said. They expect to search the surrounding area starting at 7 a.m. Friday.

Olten went missing around 6:30 p.m. Wednesday. She was supposed to be walking home from a friend's house only a few blocks away in the 600 block of Route D south of St. Martins, but never came home.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory as it continues to search for Olten. She is a white, 9-year-old female. She is 5' 2" and 108 lbs. with brown hair, brown eyes and a fair complexion with physical marks. She was last seen wearing a pink scarf, pink shirt, pink vest and blue jeans with pink ribbons. Olten was wearing white sneakers.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, and the FBI are desperately trying to find the young girl.

"Well, I think the woods are a possibility (where the girl may be). Kids in this area play in the woods and farm areas," White speculated, when asked about where the girl may have gone.

The huge group of volunteer searchers included military members, housewives, public servants, and construction workers who left their day jobs to join in the search.

"I contacted my supervisor and asked him if we were going to assist in anyway," said Mark Zimmerman, a Cole County Public Works employee and a rescue volunteer. "He said he was going to ask for some volunteers."


Authorities and volunteers have been coordinating the search all day from local VFW Post 35. On Wednesday afternoon, officials were asking for no more volunteers. The outpour from the community had been overwhelming and they said they couldn't coordinate any more searchers.


The terrain in the search area is rough, hilly, and includes fields, forests, and ponds.

If you have any information, contact the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9160 or the 24-hour tip line at 866-362-6422. For more information click on the link to visit the 'Help Find Elizabeth Olten' page on Facebook.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7f2e673e-80ce-0971-01cf-bae15c87f75b



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 22, 2009, 11:39:25 PM
UPDATE: Authorities to widen search for missing 9-year-old

JEFFERSON CITY — The Cole County Sheriff's Department announced late Thursday it would widen the search for a missing St. Martins girl after one day of combing local woods turned up nothing.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said local law enforcement would work in an expanded search area tomorrow morning as part of a continued effort to locate 9-year-old Elizabeth K. Olten, who disappeared Wednesday night. The original area of interest has been searched thoroughly at least two times by nearly 300 volunteers, White said.

Olten left a friend's home along the 600 block of Route D in St. Martins to walk to her home less than a quarter of a mile away. She had been missing for less than 45 minutes when her disappearance was reported at 6:56 p.m Wednesday.

According to the Cole County Sheriff's Office, Olten is white, 5 feet 2 inches, 102 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a pink scarf, pink shirt and sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers.

White could not comment on the Olten family's state of mind at this time, but said, "I'm a daddy. If my child was missing, I would be struggling."

One of Elizabeth's family members, however, did speak out Thursday.

As she sobbed before a small gathering of volunteers, community members and reporters, Elizabeth's aunt, Vicki Olten, pleaded with the community to help.

"I want my niece home," Vicki Olten said. "I want her safe."

Although law enforcement officials said they had no evidence foul play led to Elizabeth's disappearance, Vicki Olten suspects her niece was kidnapped.

"She would not have just wandered off," she said.

An Amber Alert cannot be issued unless officials rule that Elizabeth was abducted.

White said law enforcement officials have already conducted a "tremendous amount" of interviews but that there are no persons of interest at this time.

Lt. Jim Keathley of the Missouri Highway Patrol said officials were also conducting interviews of drivers at a roadblock near where Elizabeth was last seen in a continued search for leads.

"We were all hoping this would be over by now," Keathley said.

White said officials will turn their focus to investigating leads in the case. He encourages parties with information on the disappearance of Elizabeth Olten to call the tip line set up by the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 866-362-6422.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/10/22/authorities-search-missing-cole-county-nine-year-old/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 12:44:20 AM
Northern Rose, Thank you so much for all of the updates, I certainly appreciate them. You have done good today, please go to sleep knowing that.

At lease a body was not found...Maybe tomorrow will bring us knews they found her alive and well. We can only pray...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2009, 08:09:23 AM


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 09:43:01 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyCool:: Maybe today Elizabeth will be found.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:10:46 AM
Elizabeth Olten went missing while walking home from a friend's home



ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE:  Friday 8 a.m.

The highway patrol will be using a helicopter to search for Elizabeth Olten today.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White also told KRCG investigators have questioned registered sex offenders in the county and calls some of those interviews "very strong."

White says information from the public likely will help them solve the mystery of what happened to the little girl.

The sheriff says that no new volunteers are needed. Today the focus is on smaller, more specific areas. If you would like to help contact the Red Cross.

UPDATE: Thursday 11 p.m.

The mood was somber among searches as as the crucial 24-hour mark passed earlier this evening.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White says information from the public likely will help them solve the mystery of what happened to 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten of St. Martins.

Elizabeth was last seen around 6:15 p.m. Wednesday night when police say she vanished walking home from a friend's house along Route D near Highway 50.

Thursday's search has been called off for the night and will resume at 7:30 a.m. Friday.

'I want my niece home'

After a day of searching turned up no trace of the Cole County fourth grader. At a news conference, her aunt made a desperate plea for her safe return.

"I want my niece home, I want her safe," said Vicki Olten, crying. "She's a beautiful young girl and [has] a full life ahead of her. She does not deserve this. Her family does not deserve this."

Olten says Elizabeth wouldn't have wandered off because she was afraid of the dark and believes she was abducted.

The sheriff says the investigation so far has uncovered no evidence of foul play but says that could change.

Volunteers turned away

On Thursday 300 volunteers and 100 law enforcement personnel combed the area around her home. Rescuers covered more than a half-mile by half-mile grid twice.

"We've done far more than the capability we've got," said Sheriff Greg White. "And that's simply because of the level of citizen involvement and the willingness they've had."

By late afternoon, so many volunteers showed up that many, like Gene Bauer, had to be turned away.

"We've got plenty of gravel roads in this area that could have been checked," said Bauer. "The last thing I wanted to hear from somebody is, 'Oh we've got insurance concerns.' Well people aren't out here concerned about insurance or liability. They're out here concerned for that little girl."

False rumors spread

While searchers were being turned away, a rumor started that Elizabeth's body had been found. The sheriff said that is absolutely false and criticized those who spread the rumor.

"I have spent more time telling people that rumors are incorrect," said White. "And it's really doing a disservice to the family for people to put out incorrect rumors."

Around the time Elizabeth went missing, the highway patrol set up a road block not far from her home.

"Just handing these [flyers] out to everybody coming through the area here," an officer said handing out a flyer with Elizabeth's picture.

Officers stopped traffic for several hours and talked with drivers to see if they saw or heard anything.

Authorities also slightly changed the description of what Elizabeth was wearing. She had on a pink T-shirt with a darker pink vest and blue jeans with pink ribbons on them.

During Thursday's evening news conference authorities also announced they've started a new 24-hour tip line. Anyone with any information is urged to call (866) 362-6422.

The highway patrol has committed to using a helicopter when the search continues Friday morning. The sheriff also says investigators have questioned registered sex offenders in the county and called some of those interviews "very strong."

Elizabeth lives with her mother. Her father, Dale Olten Sr., has been in prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2009, 10:30:01 AM
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7f2e673e-80ce-0971-01cf-bae15c87f75b

 Authorities Resume Search for Missing Girl


COLE COUNTY - Authorities are back searching for Elizabeth Olten, a 9-year-old girl from the St. Martins area who went missing Wednesday evening.

About 250 volunteers came out Thursday, joining about 100 officials, to search for the missing girl. Volunteers are currently gathering at the VFW in St. Martins.

Officials are interviewing registered sex offenders in the area, but they haven't named any persons of interest. No Amber Alert has been issued because the disappearance has not been confirmed as an abduction.

Authorities have little evidence. Olten was carrying a cell phone when she disappeared. Officials have confirmed that the cell phone is located in the woods within the search area. The woods weren't on Olten's route home. The phone's battery has died, and without the signal, officials can't track the phone. Investigators are also looking into her call history.

Officals have searched every "square foot" of the search area at least twice, Cole County Sheriff Greg White said. They will search the periphery of the surrounding area starting at 7 a.m. Friday.

Olten went missing around 6:30 p.m. Wednesday. She was supposed to be walking home from a friend's house only a few blocks away in the 600 block of Route D south of St. Martins, but never came home.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory as it continues to search for Olten. She is a white, 9-year-old female. She is 5' 2" and 108 lbs. with brown hair, brown eyes and a fair complexion with physical marks. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt with a darker pink vest, blue jeans, and white sneakers.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, and the FBI are desperately trying to find the young girl.

"Well, I think the woods are a possibility (where the girl may be). Kids in this area play in the woods and farm areas," White speculated, when asked about where the girl may have gone.

The huge group of volunteer searchers included military members, housewives, public servants, and construction workers who left their day jobs to join in the search.

"I contacted my supervisor and asked him if we were going to assist in anyway," said Mark Zimmerman, a Cole County Public Works employee and a rescue volunteer. "He said he was going to ask for some volunteers."

Authorities and volunteers have been coordinating the search all day from local VFW Post 35. On Wednesday afternoon, officials were asking for no more volunteers. The outpour from the community had been overwhelming and they said they couldn't coordinate any more searchers.

The terrain in the search area is rough, hilly, and includes fields, forests, and ponds.

If you have any information, contact the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9160 or the 24-hour tip line at 866-362-6422. For more information click on the link to visit the 'Help Find Elizabeth Olten' page on Facebook.

Reported by: Brooke Hasch
Reported by: Michael Amantea
Reported by: Alyssa Caverley

Published: Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Last Updated: Friday, October 23, 2009 at 8:36 AM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:35:32 AM



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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 10:37:27 AM
Interesting comments  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:39:32 AM
Interesting comments  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes everyone seems to know Dale Sr and his sister Vicki and not fondly.  There was another comment about Dale JR and that he thought the world of Elizabeth.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:41:06 AM
Search Resumes At Daybreak For Missing Cole County Girl

COLE COUNTY, MO (KTVI - FOX2now.com) - It's been well over 24 hours since nine year old Elizabeth Olten was last seen. The girl from St. Martins near Jefferson City disappeared Wednesday evening as she was walking home from a friend's house. Investigators say they have found no signs of foul play in the case. But there is also no sign of Elizabeth.

The search was called off for the night on Thursday after the sun went down. Crews spent hours earlier on Thursday searching rural, wooded and muddy terrain looking for the nine year old. As more time goes by, everyone is becoming more concerned. "She's a beautiful young girl who's got a full life ahead of her. She does not deserve this. Her family does not deserve this," said

Elizabeth's aunt, Vicki Olten, about her niece. Elizabeth disappeared after she left her friend's house about 6:15 Wednesday evening to walk home. That walk less than a quarter of a mile along Route D in St. Martins. A tearful Vicki said, "Have you ever had somebody go in, just reach inside you and pull your heart out? That's what its like. She is an angel."

A massive search Thursday produced no sign of Elizabeth. 100 public safety officials from the FBI to the Missouri Highway Patrol to Cole County Sheriff's Deputies took part. Also searching some 300 volunteers- people like Shay Patterson. Shay told us, "I don't know the child but I have children of my own. And I just know that if something happened to one of them, I would want as many people to come out as possible." Cole County Sheriff Greg White tells us signals were picked up from Elizabeth's cell phone Wednesday night near the area where she disappeared.

Crews searched that area meticulously on Thursday. Law officers also set up a road block in the area exactly 24 hours after Elizabeth disappeared. "The theory in mind that the same people drive the same road the same time every night and that somebody may have driven through there last night that may have seen something," explained Colonel Jim Keathley, the head of the Missouri Highway Patrol. Sheriff White added, "The primary search area has been covered at least twice, literally every square foot of it. And we have significant number of dog teams."

Vicki just wants her niece back. "my niece is afraid of the dark," said Vicki. "All of us want is her home and safe," she added. The violent crime unit from the highway patrol has been activated. But Sheriff White says no amber alert has been issued because there is no sign of a crime. Right now, the case is being classified as an endangered child. White says information about the case has been sent to other law enforcement agencies across the country.

Some volunteer searchers were turned away Thursday because the sheriff said there were simply too many people. That left some upset. The search for Elizabeth Olten resumes at 7:30 Friday morning.

Anyone with information in this case is asked to call the tipline toll-free at 866-362-6422.


VIDEO HERE AS WELL
http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-elizabeth-olten-missing-girl-thurs-102309,0,77198.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:55:42 AM
Looking at all the comments about Binder Park.  It is 1.4 miles from the house and takes 4mins to get there.  There is a huge lake, RV park and many woods there.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:00:48 AM
BINDER PARK

With 644 acres, the city's largest park, Binder Park, is located off Rainbow Dr. and Henwick Lane, 5840 Rainbow Dr., west of Jefferson City. When combined with the adjacent 66-acre Joseph C. Miller Park, a huge, beautiful, and largely natural park emerges and provides for a wide variety of activities.

Binder Park is named after Fred C., Fred H., and Frederick Binder. Fred C. Binder established a trust fund in 1918 to build a park as a memorial to his father, himself, and his son. Property was purchased from 11 owners in 1965 and 1966 and the Department of Conservation began construction of a 155 acre fishing lake.

In addition to the beautiful lake, Binder Park has a nice handicap-fishing pier and a boat ramp built and maintained by the Department of Conservation. It also houses the lighted softball fields Wisch, Williams, and Kremer. Numerous picnic sites exist throughout the park as well as many walking trails and bike trails. Two sand volleyball courts, an 18-site full hook-up RV campground with laundry and shower-house, a playground, and a covered deck/picnic shelter overlooking the lake is also located on site. The deck rents as a shelter and can accommodate groups of up to 75 people.

Scott and Byrd Softball Fields and the Radio Control Flying Field are located in Joseph Miller Park located adjacent to the south-east conrner of Binder Park.

http://www.jeffcitymo.org/parks/binderpark.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:10:34 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:14:22 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:18:57 AM
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The primary search on Thursday focused on a section of woods about half a mile wide and half a mile long, which police zeroed in on by triangulating the girl's cell phone location, White said. The phone has not been found, and the battery died by Thursday morning. Uneven terrain, high brush and soaking weather were hindrances.
 
David Wininger, a volunteer firefighter who helped look until early Thursday morning and returned after work, said it was "overwhelming" and "beautiful" to see the outpouring of assistance. Wininger, 51, said groups of searchers spread out in lines across fields and woods to cover every square foot.
 
"It's very brushy. It's very hilly. There's a lot of rocks, trees and brush piles," Wininger said. "It's a very rough place to be."
 
More than 200 volunteers showed to help nearly 100 emergency personnel, and some were turned away.
 
That angered Gene Bauer, who drove 45 minutes from Eldon to help. Bauer criticized how the search had been conducted and said he would examine gravel roads on his own if needed.
 
Vicki Olten, who is Elizabeth's aunt, called the girl a "tough tomboy," but that she was afraid someone had tried to hurt her.
 
"I want my niece home. I want her safe," said Olten, of Russellville. "She's a beautiful young girl and got a full life ahead of her. She does not deserve this. Her family does not deserve this."
 
The Missouri State Highway Patrol set up a check point on a highway near the house and interviewed motorists. The Patrol used a helicopter with a thermal imaging radar on Wednesday, but poor weather prevented a repeat of that on Thursday. Officials hoped it could be used again Friday.


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/missouristatenews/story/95471F955D5EB6EA86257658000761AF?OpenDocument


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
Reader comments:

gotbanned October 23, 2009 9:05AM CST
This one and the little girl in Florida are just the ones that made the news. In Florida they plan to question a bunch of sex offenders that live in the area. The only question they should ask is "bullet or rope"?. Garrido was a sex offender, and should have been put down long before he kidnapped and raped a child. Pray for the girls safe return. Don't let your kids walk ANYWHERE!!!
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gotbanned October 23, 2009 9:12AM CST
The sex offender registry should be used as a hit list. Someday our society is going to snap. Murderers and rapists should face a firing squad, or swing from a short rope in a tall tree. The piece of trash that killed Jessica Lunsford died in prison after a long illness when he should have been buried alive like his victim. Should have dug a hole big enough for his lawyer, too.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/comments?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Cnews%5Cstories.nsf&docid=95471F955D5EB6EA86257658000761AF


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:24:01 AM
ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE:  Friday 10 a.m.

A press conference is underway with the Cole County Sheriff's Department about what the department is doing to help search for Elizabeth Olten.

Sheriff Greg White said search crew 67 people were on the ground at 7:30 a.m.

In contrast to yesterday, which was a "mass saturation search", White said today's search will be more pin pointed and directed.

White also said that they have some phone records back from AT&T from Elizabeth's cell phone and investigators are going through those.

The FBI is helping but does not have jurisdication in the case.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
thanks for all the info, Northern Rose - especially the maps and comments from the locals.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:31:44 AM

Posted by B. Citizen, JC MO - Friday, October 23, 2009 at 10:23 a.m.
 
Nancy Grace need to know the rest of the story. Its so convoluted and so sick. Nancy needs to do investigative reporting on this father's background and another member of the family. Plus the people that the father hung with. This story is so far reaching its unreal. And for all of you that have been involved with this man, I would hide your kids. If this is a coincidence that its Dale Olten's child thats missing, I will eat my hat. The rest of the background is sick, twisted and heinous to say the least.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 11:31:59 AM
Thanks everyone for the articles and links. I have been afraid to even come in the thread this morning. This is so scary. And the comments NORTHERN just posted shows how high feeling are running about these sex perv's running around loose, feeding on our young. It should not be so easy to grab an innocent child.   ::MonkeyWaa::
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:34:38 AM
thanks for all the info, Northern Rose - especially the maps and comments from the locals.

You are welcome.  This one is breaking my heart as the one picture looks very much like my own daughter did at her age.  I can not image them turning away volunteers.  They could use them to go to business to get donations, hand out flyers on the streets, highways and homes.  Call every house to see if they heard or saw anything, there is so much that these volunteers could be doing if they do not want them involved in the grid search.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:37:34 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:40:08 AM

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:53:12 AM
Search Continues for St. Martins Girl


COLUMBIA, MO (KBIA) - The search for a local St. Martins girl who has been missing more than 24 hours continues today. The search resumed this morning for nine-year old Elizabeth Olten who went missing Wednesday evening from St. Martins just west of Jefferson City. The Cole County sheriff says Olten left a friend's house shortly after 6 o'clock Wednesday night and was used to walking the quarter-mile to her home through neighbors' yards. She was reported missing around 7 p.m. Elizabeth Olten's aunt, Vicki Olten, described her niece as outgoing.
"She is a beautiful girl, does good in school, friendly, outgoing, but she would not talk to strangers, she has been taught right."

The State Highway Patrol, Federal Authorities, and the Violent Crimes Unit have joined the Cole County sheriff's efforts in the search for Otlen. The highway patrol put a roadblock in place last night around the time Olten went missing in case anyone who travels on the road at that time saw anything Wednesday night. If you have any information you can call the 24 hour tip line at 866-362-6422

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kbia/news.newsmain/article/1/0/1569449/KBIA.Local/Search.Continues.for.St..Martins.Girl#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:54:53 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:56:27 AM
There have been enough locals suspecting this is associated with a retaliation from the actions of her father Dale, that I am going to set up a thread with info I find about him.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
There have been enough locals suspecting this is associated with a retaliation from the actions of her father Dale, that I am going to set up a thread with info I find about him.


I just realized that I have to put the info in this thread.  I am going to start with his court history.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 12:06:14 PM

Posted by B. Citizen, JC MO - Friday, October 23, 2009 at 10:23 a.m.
 
Nancy Grace need to know the rest of the story. Its so convoluted and so sick. Nancy needs to do investigative reporting on this father's background and another member of the family. Plus the people that the father hung with. This story is so far reaching its unreal. And for all of you that have been involved with this man, I would hide your kids. If this is a coincidence that its Dale Olten's child thats missing, I will eat my hat. The rest of the background is sick, twisted and heinous to say the least.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189
Oh boy  ::MonkeyEek:: I don't think this is a coincidence either.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 12:06:58 PM
There have been enough locals suspecting this is associated with a retaliation from the actions of her father Dale, that I am going to set up a thread with info I find about him.

  Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 12:39:11 PM
Is it me, or does everything seem so disorganized?  I hate to say this out loud, but do you think that perhaps the family's involvement with crime that LE might not be as interested in finding Elizabeth say as they would another child?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 12:45:18 PM
Is it me, or does everything seem so disorganized?  I hate to say this out loud, but do you think that perhaps the family's involvement with crime that LE might not be as interested in finding Elizabeth say as they would another child?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Does the mom have a record??

I think maybe they are just as baffled as we are, and dont know whatto think, i deff think they are handling it weird, like callin off the search at night....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 12:47:57 PM
retaliation? what on earth did he do? I will see what I can find too Northern rose. I am curious as too why there are so many comments such as this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 12:52:49 PM

 


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: cookie on October 23, 2009, 01:00:42 PM
Eldon is a really small town in Missouri...not far from Osage Beach...not far from Jefferson City...
there is lots of terrain in that area...lots of water...
scary....
the girlfriend and now the daughter is right Tracygirl...very strange...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Wonder what the father has been up to in prison, pissing ppl off? getting in fights??? running drugs still??


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 01:14:16 PM
Eldon is a really small town in Missouri...not far from Osage Beach...not far from Jefferson City...
there is lots of terrain in that area...lots of water...
scary....
the girlfriend and now the daughter is right Tracygirl...very strange...

From the article I posted..
"Hopes of finding some answers in the case increased in July when authorities spent a few days on the Osage River after a fisherman reported he pulled up what appeared to be a human hand. However, searchers failed to locate a body."

I am assuming they tested this hand and it was Jasmines and that is how they ruled this case a homicide?  Maybe they should look around this same place for this little girl?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:16:39 PM
Is it me, or does everything seem so disorganized?  I hate to say this out loud, but do you think that perhaps the family's involvement with crime that LE might not be as interested in finding Elizabeth say as they would another child?  ::MonkeyShocked::

ya know, I was thinking the other night (before reading all this crazy stuff about the family, OMG!) that I found it strange that they stopped the infared search because they said that the fall foliage was too dense?

WTH?  and infared search should be able to get through the fall foliage, shouldn't it?  and isn't a fall foliage LESS than summer foliage?

And doesn't this county have the necessary equipment to see through ANY types of foliage?

really, really weird situation to turn away volunteers and not be searching 24/7.  She's only 9, for God's sake.  I mean, that one commenter said that they searched ditches and stuff - why weren't the cops searching the ditches?  or the many volunteers?

something is way up with this one.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:18:08 PM
I'm sorry to ask, and I know it sounds lazy, but is someone willing to give a quick recap of this case?  I would really appreciate it because I am so far behind with concentrating on Somer.

tia.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:20:21 PM
Dale Olten Sr Court synopsis. 

11R019402514 - ST V DALE S OLTEN   11/03/1994
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant   
P O BOX 224
BLAND, MO 65014

Year of Birth: 1963

11/04/1994 Charge(s): ALL; Amount: $ 10,000.00; Posted By: OTHER
This charge is no longer pending. Please refer to case 11R019402514-01 for pending charge

11R019402514-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 03/07/1995
Guilty Plea
Receive Stolen Prprty Ov { Felony C RSMo: 570.080 }

Sentence  Incarceration DOC
Sentence Date 06/07/1996
Start Date 06/07/1996
Length 7 Years

SAID SENTENCE TO RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH THE SENTENCE DEFENDANT IS SERVING IN CR693-184FX FROM GASCONADE COUNTY.;

25T04931067T - ST V DALE S OLTEN 06/16/1993
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
RT 1
BLAND, MO 65014
Year of Birth: 1963
Exceed 70 Mph Speed Limi { Misdemeanor Unclassified RSMo: 304.010 }
Guilty Plea - 07/26/1993

041006848 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 02/15/2007
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Failure To Register Mtr Veh { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 301.020 }
Fine: $21.00

040805787 - ST V OLTEN, DALE 05/10/2005
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
2614 MEADOWVIEW DR
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65109
Year of Birth: 1963
Driver/Front Seat Passenger 16 y/o or Over Fail to Wear Properly Adjusted/Fastened Safety Belt { Infraction RSMo: 307.178 }
Fine $10.00

041302634 - ST V OLTEN, DALE 10/16/2006
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
2614 MEADOWVIEW DR
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65109
Year of Birth: 1963
Failure To Register Mtr Veh { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 301.020 }
Fine $30.50

00CR325572 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 09/13/2000
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Operated Motor Vehicle On Highway While Drivers License/Privlege Revoked (Suspended For Points) { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }
Incarceration Jail 2 Days
STATE APPEARS BY APA MONAGHAN; DEFT APPEARS IN PERSON AND BY PD HAMLIN; PLEA OF NOT GUILTY WITHDRAWN; PLEA OF GUILTY; DEFT SENTENCED TO TWO DAYS IN JAIL; COST TO BE PAID TODAY

00CV324798 - HAROLD CORN V DALE OLTEN 08/17/2000
CORN , HAROLD , Plaintiff
UNKNOWN
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65101
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

03CR326042 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 09/03/2003
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Oper Mtr Veh On Hwy While Driver License/Privilege Revoked (Revoked For Prob Cause Of .08% And Zero Tolerance) { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }
Incarceration Jail 10 Days
Defendant sentenced to 10 days in jail, approved for the electronic shackle program. Dft must provide proof of enrollment to the court within 10 days. Court costs in the amount of $121.00 to be paid today. TLS

04CR323696 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 02/13/2004
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Operated Motor Vehicle On Highway While Drivers License/Privlege Revoked (Suspended For Points) { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 302.321 }
Incarceration Jail 20 Days
Dft sentenced to 20 days in jail, approved for electronic shackle. Must provide proof of completion within 10 days. Court costs in the amount of $71.00 to be paid today. TLS

060553048 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 06/30/2007
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Failure To Register Mtr Veh { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 301.020 }
Fine $50.00
Plea of Guilty entered. Defendant to pay the fine and costs in the amount of $124.00, within 30 days or time payment fee of $25.00 will be applied. Defendant given 90 days to pay or Debt will be released to Debt Collection/Tax Offset.TLS/mj

07AC-CR02187 - ST V DALE S OLTEN SR 07/03/2007
Casefile Tranf GrandJury Indmt
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Possession Of Controlled Substance Except 35 Grams Or Less Of Marijuana { Felony C RSMo: 195.202 }

07AC-CR02187-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN SR 07/10/2007
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

09AC-CR00711 - ST V DALES S OLTEN SR 02/28/2009
Casefile Tranf GrandJury Indmt
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Burglary - 2nd Degree { Felony C RSMo: 569.170 }

09AC-CR00711-01 - ST V DALES S OLTEN SR 03/25/2009
Burglary - 2nd Degree { Felony C RSMo: 569.170 }

09AC-CR01140 - ST V DALE S OLTEN SR 04/15/2009
Casefile Tranf GrandJury Indmt - 04/29/2009
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Unlawful Possession Of A Firearm { Felony C RSMo: 571.070 }

09AC-CR01140-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN SR 04/15/2009
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Unlawful Possession Of A Firearm { Felony C RSMo: 571.070 }

19TR04000337 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 04/05/2000
OLTEN , DALE S , Defendant
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
As Owner, Oper Or Auth Another To Oper A Mtr Veh W/Out Maintain Financl Respons (Mtr Veh Reqrd To Be Reg) { Misdemeanor C RSMo: 303.025 }
Fine $100.00

07AC-CC00578 - STATE OF MO EX REL V DALE S. OLTEN 07/05/2007
RICHARDSON , MARK A , Relator 
311 E HIGH STREET
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65101

OLTEN , DALE SCOTT SR , Respondent
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

07AC-CC00578-01 - STATE OF MO EX REL V DALE S. OLTEN 06/23/2008
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

07ML-CC00060 - STATE OF MISSOURI V DALE S OLTEN ET AL 05/30/2007
Not Disposed
STATE OF MISSOURI , Plaintiff 

OLTEN , DALE SCOTT , Defendant   
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963

HASLAG , JASMINE S , Defendant   
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1975
 
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

070660318 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 06/23/2008
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Failure To Register Mtr Veh { Misdemeanor B RSMo: 301.020 }
Fine $30.50

070660319 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 07/08/2008
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Failed To Properly Affix/Fasten To Or Maintain Motor Vehicle/Trailer Plates { Misdemeanor Unclassified RSMo: 301.130 }
Fine $80.50

07CW-CR00775 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 07/19/2007
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
This charge is no longer pending. Please refer to case 07CW-CR00775-01 for pending charge.
07CW-CR00775-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN 06/17/2008
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

08BA-CR03165 - ST V DALE SCOTT OLTEN 07/22/2008
13007 MINNIE STREET
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1963
Possession Of Controlled Substance Except 35 Grams Or Less Of Marijuana { Felony C RSMo: 195.202 }
Incarceration DOC
Sentence Date 04/20/2009 4 YEARS DOC

www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:21:20 PM
Dale Olten Jr Court Synopsis

WD71482 - STATE OF MO, RES V DALE S OLTEN JR, APEL 09/14/2009
AP Criminal Appeal Circuit
OLTEN , DALE S JR , Appellant
Year of Birth: 1988

WD71483 - STATE OF MO, RES V DALE OLTEN JR, APEL 09/14/2009
AP Criminal Appeal Circuit
OLTEN , DALE S JR , Appellant 
Year of Birth: 1988

08CW-CR01341 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 09/19/2008
Year of Birth: 1988
Guilty Plea
Oper A Motor Vehicle In A Careless And Imprudent Manner, Involving An Accident { Misdemeanor A RSMo: 304.012 }
Incarceration Jail 01/09/2009 10 Days

060072165 - CITY OF JEFFERSON V DALE S OLTEN JR 11/21/2007
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

060074830 - CITY OF JEFFERSON V DALE S OLTEN JR 11/19/2007
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Municipal Ordinance - Other
Charge information is not available for the selected case.

06AC-CR02825 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 09/29/2006
Criminal/Infract.- see Charges
Casefile Tranf GrandJury Indmt
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Possession Of Controlled Substance Except 35 Grams Or Less Of Marijuana { Felony C RSMo: 195.202 }

06AC-CR02825-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 01/09/2007
Guilty Plea
Possession Of Controlled Substance Except 35 Grams Or Less Of Marijuana { Felony C RSMo: 195.202 }
09/29/2006
Guilty Plea - 03/26/2007
Suspended Imposition of Sent. 05/14/2007
Defendant placed on 5 years supervised probation, SIS.RGC/mw
PROBATION REVOKED 05/14/2007
Completed Date 05/11/2009
Incarceration DOC 05/11/2009 5 Years
Defendants probation revoked and original sentence of 5 years DOC is imposed.RGC/rd

08AC-CR02001 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 05/16/2008
Casefile Tranf GrandJury Indmt
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }

08AC-CR02001-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 06/25/2008
Guilty Plea
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Trespassing-2nd Degree { Infraction RSMo: 569.150 }
Sentence Date 01/26/2009
Defendant appears in person and by Atty Dodson; defendant pleads guilty to the amended information and is fined $100 and is to have all costs paid by 3-23-09 or appear back in court.RGC/rd

09AC-CR00710 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 02/28/2009
Casefile Tranf GrandJury Indmt
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Burglary - 2nd Degree { Felony C RSMo: 569.170 }

09AC-CR00710-01 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 03/25/2009
Jury Verdict – Guilty
Incarceration DOC
Sentence Date 08/24/2009 Length 7 Years
Defendant appears in person and is sentenced to 7 years DOC.RGC/rd

09AC-CR01283 - ST V DALE S OLTEN JR 04/29/2009
Jury Verdict – Guilty
13007 MINNIE ST
RUSSELLVILLE, MO 65074
Year of Birth: 1988
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Sentence Date 08/24/2009 Length 7 Years
Defendant sentenced to 7 years DOC.RGC/rd


www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Ahhhhhh.....OK....I get it now >>

Haslag and her boyfriend Dale Olten were charged with second-degree drug trafficking on May 24 in Eldon. When officers searched the vehicle Olten and Haslag were driving, they confiscated nearly 80 grams of methamphetamine and more than 100 grams of marijuana, a pistol with the serial numbers removed and more than $1,000 in cash.
http://s12.invisionfree.com/unsolvedcasecenter/ar/t1015.htm


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 01:29:23 PM
I was reading the original thread on websleuths about Jasmine Haslag and someone said the fisherman who found the hand freaked out and dropped it? So they didn't find a hand? How are they determining she is dead?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:30:31 PM
 I found an old article of the robbery and arms bust that Dale and Dale did.  They had help from a third guy - Jesse Patterson age 21.  Here are the updated mug shots from Dale and Dale. They had enough guns to arm a small country.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=266703


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
I was reading the original thread on websleuths about Jasmine Haslag and someone said the fisherman who found the hand freaked out and dropped it? So they didn't find a hand? How are they determining she is dead?

I do not know.  I know the locals are saying that she disappeared just before the trial for the drug charges was to have started.  I have not dug up the old articles yet as there is so much other stuff right now.  So very sorry.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:32:27 PM
Ahhhhhh.....OK....I get it now >>

Haslag and her boyfriend Dale Olten were charged with second-degree drug trafficking on May 24 in Eldon. When officers searched the vehicle Olten and Haslag were driving, they confiscated nearly 80 grams of methamphetamine and more than 100 grams of marijuana, a pistol with the serial numbers removed and more than $1,000 in cash.
http://s12.invisionfree.com/unsolvedcasecenter/ar/t1015.htm


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so, then Jasmine went missing and is assumed dead?

does she have family in the area?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 01:33:02 PM
 Thanks Northern Rose.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2009, 01:33:08 PM
The family is working with the group MISSOURI MISSING:

http://www.missourimissing.org/

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=366189

Elizabeth Olten went missing while walking home from a friend's home
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 at 10:53 p.m.

ST. MARTINS -- UPDATE:  Friday Noon

The family is working with the "Missouri Missing" organization to make pins and flyers to hand out.

The FBI is helping but does not have jurisdiction in the case.

The sheriff says that no new volunteers are needed.

If people want to help they are asked to call the red cross, which is assisting in the efforts.
(SNIPPED)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:33:13 PM
Police, Family, Volunteers Continue Search For Missing Cole County Girl
Elizabeth Olten Was Last Seen Wednesday

VIDEO


COLE COUNTY, MO - The search continues in mid-Missouri for a 9-year-old girl who has been missing since she started walking home from a friend's house. Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Friday that about 70 investigators are checking leads and another 70 people are scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City. White says he's not sure if Elizabeth Olten is still in the area.
Elizabeth left a nearby friend's house Wednesday night. She has brown hair and is 5-feet, 2-inches tall. She was wearing a pink scarf and shirt with butterflies, blue jeans and white shoes.

The Missouri State Highway Patrol hopes clouds will break up enough Friday to use a helicopter with thermal imaging radar.

Anyone with information in this case is asked to call the tipline toll-free at 866-362-6422.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-elizabeth-olten-missing-colecounty-102309,0,775141.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
do we have this?

http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
Ahhhhhh.....OK....I get it now >>

Haslag and her boyfriend Dale Olten were charged with second-degree drug trafficking on May 24 in Eldon. When officers searched the vehicle Olten and Haslag were driving, they confiscated nearly 80 grams of methamphetamine and more than 100 grams of marijuana, a pistol with the serial numbers removed and more than $1,000 in cash.
http://s12.invisionfree.com/unsolvedcasecenter/ar/t1015.htm


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so, then Jasmine went missing and is assumed dead?

does she have family in the area?

Yes.  Her mother has been with Elizabeth's mother since the news broke and has stated she is not leaving her side till they find Elizabeth.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 01:36:44 PM
G'Afternoon Monkeys,

I was hoping to log on and find good news.  Looking at the maps and remembering the comments of how many houses that are between her house and the house she was visiting. They said there were 4.  Has anyone heard what the occupants of these house had to say, starting with the grandfather of the friend who sent her home. 
Also it was said, she would not go into the woods but that she would walk behind these houses.
My husband is a truck driver and most of the rurals highways in MO are just that rural highways.  I would hate to think along the lines of Shaun Hornebeck and the child that was next for that man.

Im not quite sure about the retaliation theory, the father has been in jail for quite some time.
Who is also a person in Jasmine's disappearnce.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:37:08 PM
Ahhhhhh.....OK....I get it now >>

Haslag and her boyfriend Dale Olten were charged with second-degree drug trafficking on May 24 in Eldon. When officers searched the vehicle Olten and Haslag were driving, they confiscated nearly 80 grams of methamphetamine and more than 100 grams of marijuana, a pistol with the serial numbers removed and more than $1,000 in cash.
http://s12.invisionfree.com/unsolvedcasecenter/ar/t1015.htm


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so, then Jasmine went missing and is assumed dead?

does she have family in the area?

Yes.  Her mother has been with Elizabeth's mother since the news broke and has stated she is not leaving her side till they find Elizabeth.

thanks.

looks like Jasmine's mother has been very actively searching for Jasmine.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
I'm sorry to ask, and I know it sounds lazy, but is someone willing to give a quick recap of this case?  I would really appreciate it because I am so far behind with concentrating on Somer.

tia.
Elizabeth was at a friends house aprox 1/4 mile away from her home, was sent home at 6:15 never made it home, the mom was apparently unaware that she was sent home to walk. she never arrived, and there are lots of woods around there, but the mom was quick to say she is scared of dark and woods, when no one even said anything about woods.

Next we learned she had a cell phone on her and att pinged ot deep in the woods behind her families home, now the batteries are dead, they have been searching but turning volunteers away. been raining pretty bad and cold there, they have searched a 1/2 square mi area (i believe where her phone pinged last) twice now. they have just recently set up a road block and are handing out fliers...

They have been using infared technoligy to search, and called off the search due to the rain and stuff last night  ::MonkeyConfused::

The dad is in jail, his previous gf is missing presumed dead and father is suspect, fathers son is also in jail/or has been jailed.

The missing gf's mom was hanging out with Elizabeth's mom the other day....

I think that about covers it....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
do we have this?

http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine

Thank you.  I knew there was a facebook, but did not see the myspace till your post.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=15915110.165684542..1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 01:39:56 PM
Isn't it sort of strange the robbery started after Jasmine disappeared? Or I think, right? when a person has so much going on it is confusing.

So a theory could be, Jasmine was taken and held for ransome he cannot pay or payback. He turns to robbery to pay his debts, he can't and now his daughter vanishes...I can see why people are putting these two cases together, although the most commen sense theory is she was picked up while walking alone.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:43:18 PM
I'm sorry to ask, and I know it sounds lazy, but is someone willing to give a quick recap of this case?  I would really appreciate it because I am so far behind with concentrating on Somer.

tia.
Elizabeth was at a friends house aprox 1/4 mile away from her home, was sent home at 6:15 never made it home, the mom was apparently unaware that she was sent home to walk. she never arrived, and there are lots of woods around there, but the mom was quick to say she is scared of dark and woods, when no one even said anything about woods.

Next we learned she had a cell phone on her and att pinged ot deep in the woods behind her families home, now the batteries are dead, they have been searching but turning volunteers away. been raining pretty bad and cold there, they have searched a 1/2 square mi area (i believe where her phone pinged last) twice now. they have just recently set up a road block and are handing out fliers...

They have been using infared technoligy to search, and called off the search due to the rain and stuff last night  ::MonkeyConfused::

The dad is in jail, his previous gf is missing presumed dead and father is suspect, fathers son is also in jail/or has been jailed.

The missing gf's mom was hanging out with Elizabeth's mom the other day....

I think that about covers it....

It does. Sunset was 6:21 that day.   Only 4 houses between home and friends house.  Friends Grandfather who was looking after kids sent her home without calling her mom.  Aunt Vicki Olten is the one who is being interviewed now.  She is Dale Sr's sister and has defended him very vocally that he had nothing to do with his prev g/f Jasmine's disappearance.

They have been turning away volunteers since yesterday and only have 50 searching today even though hundreds want to help.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
I'm sorry to ask, and I know it sounds lazy, but is someone willing to give a quick recap of this case?  I would really appreciate it because I am so far behind with concentrating on Somer.

tia.
Elizabeth was at a friends house aprox 1/4 mile away from her home, was sent home at 6:15 never made it home, the mom was apparently unaware that she was sent home to walk. she never arrived, and there are lots of woods around there, but the mom was quick to say she is scared of dark and woods, when no one even said anything about woods.

Next we learned she had a cell phone on her and att pinged ot deep in the woods behind her families home, now the batteries are dead, they have been searching but turning volunteers away. been raining pretty bad and cold there, they have searched a 1/2 square mi area (i believe where her phone pinged last) twice now. they have just recently set up a road block and are handing out fliers...

They have been using infared technoligy to search, and called off the search due to the rain and stuff last night  ::MonkeyConfused::

The dad is in jail, his previous gf is missing presumed dead and father is suspect, fathers son is also in jail/or has been jailed.

The missing gf's mom was hanging out with Elizabeth's mom the other day....

I think that about covers it....

thanks SC.

Can't imagine why they are turning away vols - unless they are pretty sure what has happened and want to contain areas.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:46:20 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/23/ng.nine.yearold.missing.cnn

Nancy Grace broadcast from last night on Elizabeth


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:48:43 PM
Can someone see if Jesse Patterson age 21 , the 3rd person arrested with Dale and Dale from the guns article is still locked up or where he is?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:53:30 PM
Helicopter Helping in Search for Missing Girl

COLE COUNTY - Authorities, including a Highway Patrol helicopter, are back searching for Elizabeth Olten, a 9-year-old girl from the St. Martins area who went missing Wednesday evening.

In a 10 a.m. Friday news conference, Cole County Sheriff Greg White said there are 67 volunteers on the ground right now searching for Elizabeth. 70 investigators are working on the case. A Highway Patrol helicopter was able to help in the search around 11:30 in the morning after weather delayed the overhead search efforts.
White says searchers covered a wide area on Thursday, the Friday search is more contained to specific areas. White did not give any more details. He did say an abduction is the least likely possibility in Elizabeth's disappearance. He plans to speak to the media again at 3 p.m.


About 250 volunteers came out Thursday, joining about 100 officials, to search for the missing girl. Volunteers are currently gathering at the VFW in St. Martins.

Officials are interviewing registered sex offenders in the area, but they haven't named any persons of interest. No Amber Alert has been issued because the disappearance has not been confirmed as an abduction.

Authorities have little evidence. Olten was carrying a cell phone when she disappeared. Officials have confirmed that the cell phone is located in the woods within the search area. The woods weren't on Olten's route home. The phone's battery has died, and without the signal, officials can't track the phone. Investigators are also looking into her call history.

Officals have searched every "square foot" of the search area at least twice, Cole County Sheriff Greg White said. They will search the periphery of the surrounding area starting at 7 a.m. Friday.

Olten went missing around 6:30 p.m. Wednesday. She was supposed to be walking home from a friend's house only a few blocks away in the 600 block of Route D south of St. Martins, but never came home.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department has issued an Endangered Person Advisory as it continues to search for Olten. She is a white, 9-year-old female. She is 5' 2" and 108 lbs. with brown hair, brown eyes and a fair complexion with physical marks. She was last seen wearing a pink shirt with a darker pink vest, blue jeans, and white sneakers.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department, the Missouri State Highway Patrol, and the FBI are desperately trying to find the young girl.

"Well, I think the woods are a possibility (where the girl may be). Kids in this area play in the woods and farm areas," White speculated, when asked about where the girl may have gone.

The huge group of volunteer searchers included military members, housewives, public servants, and construction workers who left their day jobs to join in the search.

"I contacted my supervisor and asked him if we were going to assist in anyway," said Mark Zimmerman, a Cole County Public Works employee and a rescue volunteer. "He said he was going to ask for some volunteers."


Authorities and volunteers have been coordinating the search all day from local VFW Post 35. On Wednesday afternoon, officials were asking for no more volunteers. The outpour from the community had been overwhelming and they said they couldn't coordinate any more searchers.


The terrain in the search area is rough, hilly, and includes fields, forests, and ponds.

If you have any information, contact the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9160 or the 24-hour tip line at 866-362-6422. For more information click on the link to visit the 'Help Find Elizabeth Olten' page on Facebook.

Reported by: Brooke Hasch

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/7f2e673e-80ce-0971-01cf-bae15c87f75b


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
do we have this?

http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine

Thank you.  I knew there was a facebook, but did not see the myspace till your post.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=15915110.165684542..1

thank you for that - i'll join.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:57:19 PM
Fox has a  new video up on the left
Search Continues for Elizabeth Olten

http://www.fox2now.com/news/



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 01:59:06 PM
 
Helicopter Helping in Search for Missing Girl

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/3a01ced7-80ce-0971-0025-eeb9c669b672/7f2e673e-80ce-0971-01cf-bae15c87f75b


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
Can someone see if Jesse Patterson age 21 , the 3rd person arrested with Dale and Dale from the guns article is still locked up or where he is?

here's his pic if you don't have it:

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/guns5(1).jpg?w=226&h=170&aspect=nostretch)


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=266703



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:00:44 PM
New information on the search for Elizabeth

Law enforcement and volunteers have been searching for about almost 5 hours this morning, but still no sign of fourth grader Elizabeth Olten from St. Martin.

She has been missing now for nearly 40 hours, after she vanished while walking home from a friend's house Wednesday evening.

Today, the search is going better thanks to the weather.

During a 10 a.m. press briefing today, Cole County Sheriff Greg White said a search crew of 67 people were on the ground at 7:30 a.m.

That's in contrast to yesterday's search of hundreds of people.

White said today's search will be more "pin-pointed and directed.”

The sheriff said a tip line got calls overnight, but wouldn't say if any leads have come from it.

White also said the department has some phone records back from AT&T from Elizabeth's cell phone and investigators are going through those.

That cell phone is now out of batteries, but before it died the cell phone company was able to triangulate its location as deep in the woods behind Elizabeth's home.

Searchers went over that area twice yesterday and didn't find the phone. The family said Elizabeth would not have gone into the woods.

The family is working with the "Missouri Missing" organization to make pins and flyers to hand out.

The FBI is helping, but does not have jurisdiction in the case.

The sheriff says that no new volunteers are needed.

If people want to help they are asked to call the red cross, which is assisting in the efforts.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366981


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:06:33 PM
I have this showing he has a pre-trial conference in Nov. for 1st degree burglary:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/events.do  (you may have to re-search)

Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR01286. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Pre-trial Conference 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR01286. 
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:07:54 PM
Can someone see if Jesse Patterson age 21 , the 3rd person arrested with Dale and Dale from the guns article is still locked up or where he is?

here's his pic if you don't have it:

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/guns5(1).jpg?w=226&h=170&aspect=nostretch)


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=266703



Thanks!  O/T Armed bank robber on the loose in Los Feliz , CA.   Lock your doors.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:08:30 PM
and this for 2nd degree burglary, also in Nov.:

This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record. If an event is continued or cancelled it will not appear on this calendar. 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Counsel Status Hearing 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
 
here is the court link:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
ST. MARTINS -- Update: Friday 12:45 p.m.

The highway patrol is using a helicopter at his hour to search for missing 9 year-old Elizabeth Olten.

The helicopter is using infrared scanners to look for heat on the ground.

Besides looking from the sky, about 70 searchers are on foot.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:21:34 PM
and this for 2nd degree burglary, also in Nov.:

This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record. If an event is continued or cancelled it will not appear on this calendar. 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Counsel Status Hearing 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
 
here is the court link:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

I found Dale Sr and Jr are in the same correctional facility.  Jesse Petterson returns nothing.  Unless he is being held in county jail till trial he could be out.

https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
and this for 2nd degree burglary, also in Nov.:

This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record. If an event is continued or cancelled it will not appear on this calendar. 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Counsel Status Hearing 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
 
here is the court link:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

I found Dale Sr and Jr are in the same correctional facility.  Jesse Petterson returns nothing.  Unless he is being held in county jail till trial he could be out.

https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do

according to the info I found at the link above, he hasn't had his trial yet.

I did find a news article that both Dales had NO bail - and Jesse's bail was $50,000.

He could easily be out right now awaiting trial.

Can't find an inmate locator.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:26:10 PM
and this for 2nd degree burglary, also in Nov.:

This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record. If an event is continued or cancelled it will not appear on this calendar. 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Counsel Status Hearing 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
 
here is the court link:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

He seems to be sitting in Cole County Jail.  Here is the last docket entry

03/25/2009  Docket Entry: Judge Assigned 
 
 Docket Entry: Public Grand Jury Indict filed 
Filing Party:  RICHARDSON , MARK ANTHONY 
 
 Docket Entry: Bond Set 
Text:  Bond set in the amount of $50,000.00. RGC/gaf 
Filing Party:  JOYCE , PATRICIA S 
 
 Docket Entry: Arraignment Scheduled 
Associated Docket Entries:  04/20/2009 - Hearing Continued/Rescheduled 
 State appears by Assistant Prosecuting Attorney C. Nield. Defendant appears in person and by Public Defender J. King. Defendant approved for furlough. Defendant to return to Cole County Jail on April 23, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. Case continued to May 4 2009 at 9:00 a.m. PSJ 
Associated Events:  04/20/2009 , 09:00:00 - Arraignment 

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:26:15 PM
oh, duh.  you just posted an inmate locator, lol.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:30:55 PM
Scarey - you asked if Elizabeth's mom had any court records?  She had a traffic ticket - driving without a seatbelt -  back in 1996 and the paternity case she filed against Dale in 2007.  That is it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:31:10 PM
and this for 2nd degree burglary, also in Nov.:

This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record. If an event is continued or cancelled it will not appear on this calendar. 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Counsel Status Hearing 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
 
here is the court link:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

He seems to be sitting in Cole County Jail.  Here is the last docket entry

03/25/2009  Docket Entry: Judge Assigned 
 
 Docket Entry: Public Grand Jury Indict filed 
Filing Party:  RICHARDSON , MARK ANTHONY 
 
 Docket Entry: Bond Set 
Text:  Bond set in the amount of $50,000.00. RGC/gaf 
Filing Party:  JOYCE , PATRICIA S 
 
 Docket Entry: Arraignment Scheduled 
Associated Docket Entries:  04/20/2009 - Hearing Continued/Rescheduled 
 State appears by Assistant Prosecuting Attorney C. Nield. Defendant appears in person and by Public Defender J. King. Defendant approved for furlough. Defendant to return to Cole County Jail on April 23, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. Case continued to May 4 2009 at 9:00 a.m. PSJ 
Associated Events:  04/20/2009 , 09:00:00 - Arraignment 

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do


there's more than one page on the docket entry - looks like he bonded out in June!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
and this for 2nd degree burglary, also in Nov.:

This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record. If an event is continued or cancelled it will not appear on this calendar. 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
  MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 
  Judge/Commissioner Time  Day  Setting  Event 
  PATRICIA S JOYCE   9:00 AM   1 OF 1     Counsel Status Hearing 
Event Text:  Location:DIVISION 4 COURTROOM Cole Circuit
 
Displaying 1 thru 1 of 1 scheduled hearings and trials returned for case 09AC-CR00712-01. 
 
 
 
here is the court link:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

He seems to be sitting in Cole County Jail.  Here is the last docket entry

03/25/2009  Docket Entry: Judge Assigned 
 
 Docket Entry: Public Grand Jury Indict filed 
Filing Party:  RICHARDSON , MARK ANTHONY 
 
 Docket Entry: Bond Set 
Text:  Bond set in the amount of $50,000.00. RGC/gaf 
Filing Party:  JOYCE , PATRICIA S 
 
 Docket Entry: Arraignment Scheduled 
Associated Docket Entries:  04/20/2009 - Hearing Continued/Rescheduled 
 State appears by Assistant Prosecuting Attorney C. Nield. Defendant appears in person and by Public Defender J. King. Defendant approved for furlough. Defendant to return to Cole County Jail on April 23, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. Case continued to May 4 2009 at 9:00 a.m. PSJ 
Associated Events:  04/20/2009 , 09:00:00 - Arraignment 

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchDockets.do


there's more than one page on the docket entry - looks like he bonded out in June!

So he posted his $50,000.00 bond, WOW.  Wonder if he is bitter that he got dragged into it with Dale and Dale?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 02:42:55 PM
he's able to afford his own atty...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 02:49:41 PM
Scarey - you asked if Elizabeth's mom had any court records?  She had a traffic ticket - driving without a seatbelt -  back in 1996 and the paternity case she filed against Dale in 2007.  That is it.

thanks!! just was curious


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 03:04:39 PM
This is really REALLY bothering me   and im not sure how to post this right  but here goes.
Not my opinion...just what I found in the topix forum...what I question is and I will seperate the line from the rest.  Maybe someone can help me with this.

anonomous
Eugene, MO
Wrote:

Vicki were still wandering what happened to Jasmine "our mom"..... We have been living without her for two years now and you think 3 damn days are bad...yeah i hope Elizbeth is found and that they issue a amber alert but i hope this message gets through your head and maybe you will confess what you know about our mother......Between you and Dale you guys have made my little sisters, my big bothers, and my life a freaking living HELL! Vicki i have always wanted to tell you
how horrible our lives are now because of what ever it is that happened to our mom....

Liz doesn't need to live through this


so anyone that reads this please help her mom and siblings find her.
Samantha, Cassandra, and Jacob 

Edit to add link: 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TVNKIN37T09MRPML3/p2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
This is really REALLY bothering me   and im not sure how to post this right  but here goes.
Not my opinion...just what I found in the topix forum...what I question is and I will seperate the line from the rest.  Maybe someone can help me with this.

anonomous
Eugene, MO
Wrote:

Vicki were still wandering what happened to Jasmine "our mom"..... We have been living without her for two years now and you think 3 damn days are bad...yeah i hope Elizbeth is found and that they issue a amber alert but i hope this message gets through your head and maybe you will confess what you know about our mother......Between you and Dale you guys have made my little sisters, my big bothers, and my life a freaking living HELL! Vicki i have always wanted to tell you
how horrible our lives are now because of what ever it is that happened to our mom....

Liz doesn't need to live through this


so anyone that reads this please help her mom and siblings find her.
Samantha, Cassandra, and Jacob 


http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TVNKIN37T09MRPML3/p2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 03:08:57 PM
There is another post right above that one.....Just freaking erie.....Do they not know what they say? 

From reports, some in Jasmine family is upset with Vicki, Dales sister.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 03:09:42 PM
This is really REALLY bothering me   and im not sure how to post this right  but here goes.
Not my opinion...just what I found in the topix forum...what I question is and I will seperate the line from the rest.  Maybe someone can help me with this.

anonomous
Eugene, MO
Wrote:

Vicki were still wandering what happened to Jasmine "our mom"..... We have been living without her for two years now and you think 3 damn days are bad...yeah i hope Elizbeth is found and that they issue a amber alert but i hope this message gets through your head and maybe you will confess what you know about our mother......Between you and Dale you guys have made my little sisters, my big bothers, and my life a freaking living HELL! Vicki i have always wanted to tell you
how horrible our lives are now because of what ever it is that happened to our mom....

Liz doesn't need to live through this


so anyone that reads this please help her mom and siblings find her.
Samantha, Cassandra, and Jacob 

This is very weird and interesting, this could be taken as a threat or a see what we can do to make you feel how we feel, or it could very well be kids who are hurting lashing out at the closest person to the one they think hurt their mom....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 03:12:26 PM
This is so very sad.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 03:19:37 PM
What I am curious about is how and why would LE say an abduction is the least likely of possibilities? hmmmm Person is missing...that person is 9...she was walking alone...doesn't seem that far of a leap to think she was abducted.

Maybe they are considering she ran away?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 03:19:49 PM
This is so very sad.
   ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for posting this, this whole case is off, something is just wrong, LE don't think she was abducted? Do they think she got lost in the woods, and got killed? Not making sense.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 03:23:05 PM
Here is the other message. WOW these poor kids, you can feel the pain. My heart goes out to them

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1 hr ago yes i have had someone go in and ripe my heart out(Vicki)remember my mom went missing in 2007 when she was with your brother Dale. We still have no clue what happened with her. After Elizabeth is found I hope you see what it is like to have lost someone. I am soo sorry that this has happened but maybe you guys will realize what we have to live through now for the rest of our lives. I hope that Elizabeth is found. 
anonomous
Eugene, MO
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
Here is the other message. WOW these poor kids, you can feel the pain. My heart goes out to them

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1 hr ago yes i have had someone go in and ripe my heart out(Vicki)remember my mom went missing in 2007 when she was with your brother Dale. We still have no clue what happened with her. After Elizabeth is found I hope you see what it is like to have lost someone. I am soo sorry that this has happened but maybe you guys will realize what we have to live through now for the rest of our lives. I hope that Elizabeth is found. 
anonomous
Eugene, MO
 

I'm curious why they think Vicki knows anything? Isn't Jasmine's mom sticking by Vicki?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 03:27:01 PM
This is so very sad.
   ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for posting this, this whole case is off, something is just wrong, LE don't think she was abducted? Do they think she got lost in the woods, and got killed? Not making sense.

the said this same stuff with Sandra, and iirc the said it in the begginingof Somer's case too.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
Im trying to find any updates....I still want to know...and havent found anything about the house she left from - the houses she should have passed.  So very quick.

Anything I would have to offer would be speculation...but..if I was LE...I certainly would be starting from point A...and I wouldnt rule out anything having to do with Jasmine.

However, we saw what happen with Shaun and the other child that went missing in a blink of an eye.

Highways in Missouri are not reg highways, you certainly can get lost with Highway D's  E's FF's and such.  A very different system.

I think that someone thru her phone away, while she was trying to call home. I also think, the LE waisted precious time.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 03:37:51 PM
This is so very sad.
   ::MonkeyEek::  Thanks for posting this, this whole case is off, something is just wrong, LE don't think she was abducted? Do they think she got lost in the woods, and got killed? Not making sense.

the said this same stuff with Sandra, and iirc the said it in the begginingof Somer's case too.....
Just doesn't make sense, do they think she ran away? Wondering if there were problems at home, but then the cell phone.....   Maybe they will find something on the cell phone records.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Im trying to find any updates....I still want to know...and havent found anything about the house she left from - the houses she should have passed.  So very quick.

Anything I would have to offer would be speculation...but..if I was LE...I certainly would be starting from point A...and I wouldnt rule out anything having to do with Jasmine.

However, we saw what happen with Shaun and the other child that went missing in a blink of an eye.

Highways in Missouri are not reg highways, you certainly can get lost with Highway D's  E's FF's and such.  A very different system.

I think that someone thru her phone away, while she was trying to call home. I also think, the LE waisted precious time.
That could very well be, and nobody saw anything because it appears to be rather remote, maybe not a lot of traffic through there?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 03:40:25 PM
UPDATE 10/23

Hundreds of people continue the search in a wooded area near Jefferson City for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.  She left a friend’s house shortly after 6PM Wednesday and was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home in St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City. Elizabeth’s aunt pleaded for help at a Thursday evening news conference:

Cole County Sheriff Greg White responds to criticism that the search area was not expanded:

White explains why an Amber Alert was not issued:

The girl’s father is Dale Olten.  He’s the former boyfriend of missing Cole County woman Jasmine Haslag, whose abandoned car was found near Mokane.  Haslag has never been found.

TIP HOTLINE: 866-362-6422
http://kwos.com/?p=1025#more-1025


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 03:42:31 PM
Here is the other message. WOW these poor kids, you can feel the pain. My heart goes out to them

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1 hr ago yes i have had someone go in and ripe my heart out(Vicki)remember my mom went missing in 2007 when she was with your brother Dale. We still have no clue what happened with her. After Elizabeth is found I hope you see what it is like to have lost someone. I am soo sorry that this has happened but maybe you guys will realize what we have to live through now for the rest of our lives. I hope that Elizabeth is found. 
anonomous
Eugene, MO
 

I'm curious why they think Vicki knows anything? Isn't Jasmine's mom sticking by Vicki?

No you have the family tree mixed up.

Patricia (Patti) is Elizabeth's mom
Dale Sr is Elizabeth's dad
Vicki is Dale Sr's Sister - Elizabeth's Aunt through Dale
Jasmine was the g/f of Dale that was with him when they got busted for drugs.  She vanished just before the drug trial, lots of speculation that Dale and his associates had something to do with her disappearing as she was never in trouble till she hooked up with Dale and she was going to squeal on the whole drug ring.

Vicki has been standing up for her brother saying he had nothing to do with Jasmine vanishing, she was a druggie etc.  after Jasmine vanished

The ones leaving the messages are the kids of Jasmine prior to her relationship with Dale. 

Jasmine's mom has been with Patti since the news broke that Elizabeth went missing.

 Vicki stuck herself in front of the media starting last night saying her brother is crying from his jail cell for his daughter etc.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
What I am curious about is how and why would LE say an abduction is the least likely of possibilities? hmmmm Person is missing...that person is 9...she was walking alone...doesn't seem that far of a leap to think she was abducted.

Maybe they are considering she ran away?

I found that odd as well.  Next presser is in 15 minutes.  Lets see what White says.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
UPDATE 10/23

Hundreds of people continue the search in a wooded area near Jefferson City for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.  She left a friend’s house shortly after 6PM Wednesday and was supposed to walk a quarter mile to her home in St. Martins, just west of Jefferson City. Elizabeth’s aunt pleaded for help at a Thursday evening news conference:

Cole County Sheriff Greg White responds to criticism that the search area was not expanded:

White explains why an Amber Alert was not issued:

The girl’s father is Dale Olten.  He’s the former boyfriend of missing Cole County woman Jasmine Haslag, whose abandoned car was found near Mokane.  Haslag has never been found.


TIP HOTLINE: 866-362-6422
http://kwos.com/?p=1025#more-1025

WTH.  This is either really bad reporting or  White is saying because she is the daughter of Dale there is no amber alert?  Does anyone understand this statement?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 03:52:47 PM
ST. MARTINS -- Update: Friday 2:10 p.m.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White says they do not believe that Elizabeth Olten's father's criminal history has anything do to with her disappearance.

Dale Olten Sr., has been in a prison since April serving a four-year sentence for drug possession.

In February Olten Sr. and his son, Dale Olten Jr., were arrested for burglary after a two day man hunt. KRCG covered that story, to see mug shots are read the story
click here. http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=266703

The sheriff says a random abduction is not likely. He says they are still hopeful to find Elizabeth alive: "we are endeavoring to find a young lady very much alive and reunite her with her family."

Today, the search is going better thanks to the weather.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NM on October 23, 2009, 04:00:48 PM
Here is the other message. WOW these poor kids, you can feel the pain. My heart goes out to them

anonomous
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1 hr ago yes i have had someone go in and ripe my heart out(Vicki)remember my mom went missing in 2007 when she was with your brother Dale. We still have no clue what happened with her. After Elizabeth is found I hope you see what it is like to have lost someone. I am soo sorry that this has happened but maybe you guys will realize what we have to live through now for the rest of our lives. I hope that Elizabeth is found. 
anonomous
Eugene, MO
 

I'm curious why they think Vicki knows anything? Isn't Jasmine's mom sticking by Vicki?
Hey NRCG,
Vickie is the aunt (sister to the father, dale sr.). Jasmine's mom is with Eliz. mother.

Has anyone heard/read if anyone saw Elizabeth leave her friend's house, besides the friend's family?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NM on October 23, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
What I am curious about is how and why would LE say an abduction is the least likely of possibilities? hmmmm Person is missing...that person is 9...she was walking alone...doesn't seem that far of a leap to think she was abducted.

Maybe they are considering she ran away?

I found that odd as well.  Next presser is in 15 minutes.  Lets see what White says.

And why the FBI helping if no foul play.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366995
The FBI is helping but does not have jurisdiction in the case.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Mary on October 23, 2009, 04:09:36 PM
HLN reports body found- Minor child showed them where it was, they will update asap


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:10:07 PM
OMG NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Missing Cole County Girl Found Dead

http://www.fox2now.com//


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:13:14 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
OMG not another one! WHY????    ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: mymonkey on October 23, 2009, 04:17:05 PM
Prayers for Elizabeth's Family and Friends.


Such a Sad Week. ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:17:40 PM
OMG not another one! WHY????    ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

 ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:19:33 PM
Missing Cole County Missouri Girl Found Murdered

ST. MARTINS, MO (KTVI-FOX2now.com) - Police say they have found body of missing 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten. Authorities say she was found murdered in the woods. The Cole County, MO girl has been missing since Wednesday. The Associated Press says police have a juvenile is in custody.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-elizabeth-olten-missing-dead-102309,0,5282062.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:22:12 PM
i hope it is not one of the Dad's gf's children.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:25:37 PM
Body of Missing Missouri Girl, 9, Found in Woods

The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend's house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

An "older juvenile" suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten's body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

"There's been no contact with her since then," Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

About 70 investigators worked on leads Friday and another 70 people spent the day scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City, Mo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:27:15 PM
Missing Girl's Body Found

COLE COUNTY - The Cole County Sheriff reports searchers found the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten just before 3:00 this afternoon.

Investigators said written and physical evidence led them to a person of interest who then led them to the body. The sheriff said the person of interest is not a member of the family, but is an acquaintance. Investigators said the body was located a distance from where they had been searching. The person of interest is a juvenile and is in custody.
: Stacey Woelfel


http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/830d1a67-80ce-0971-00cb-8a9296abae88


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 04:27:34 PM
 :smt022 :smt022 :smt022

Not again!!!

I was gone 15 mins.....I was so hoping this little   ::MonkeyAngel::  would come home safe.

So UNREAL.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
i hope it is not one of the Dad's gf's children.....

That would be even more tragic.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
Body of Missing Missouri Girl, 9, Found in Woods

The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend's house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

An "older juvenile" suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten's body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

"There's been no contact with her since then," Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

About 70 investigators worked on leads Friday and another 70 people spent the day scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City, Mo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html


Well that sort of discredits this false info we were fed earlier:

snipped from earlier page in thread.....


 There is a poster in the St.  Martins forum claiming to be a friend of the mom:

Michelle
Saint Robert, MO
 #8 2 hrs ago
For all of you who want to criticize this child's mother, shame on you. This is someone's BABY! This is someone's SISTER! I know this family, and realize that the distance is being reported as 1/4 of a mile, but I hate to break it to you people who want to bash her mother, that's not quite an accurate distance. The mother hadn't even been told that the child had been sent home from the friend's house, so she couldn't have gone to pick her up even if she had wanted to! Maybe instead of criticizing the mother, you could find something more productive to do, like say a prayer for the safe return of the child! How dare you? Think what you want, but have some heart for this family & keep it to yourself! Freedom of speech only shows what negative people some of you are! 

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: JessStar on October 23, 2009, 04:30:33 PM
Such a sad, sad week.  My God.  Prayers for this little girl and her family.  A juvenile. . . wow.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:32:11 PM
i hope it is not one of the Dad's gf's children.....

That would be even more tragic.

anonomous
Eugene, MO
Wrote:

Vicki were still wandering what happened to Jasmine "our mom"..... We have been living without her for two years now and you think 3 damn days are bad...yeah i hope Elizbeth is found and that they issue a amber alert but i hope this message gets through your head and maybe you will confess what you know about our mother......Between you and Dale you guys have made my little sisters, my big bothers, and my life a freaking living HELL! Vicki i have always wanted to tell you
how horrible our lives are now because of what ever it is that happened to our mom....


This just pops into my head when thinking of an "older juvenille" and the almost hate or distain in the letter, just came at a weird time....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:33:42 PM
Missing Cole County Missouri Girl Found Murdered

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Police in mid-Missouri say they have recovered the body of a missing 9-year-old girl and have a juvenile "person of interest" in custody. Cole County Sheriff Greg White told reporters Friday that the person of interest and Elizabeth Olten were acquainted.

White would not give any details about the person of interest except to say the individual lived in the area west of Jefferson City and was older than Elizabeth.

Elizabeth had last been seen when she started walking home from a neighbor's house on Wednesday.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-elizabeth-olten-missing-dead-102309,0,5282062.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 04:35:29 PM
i hope it is not one of the Dad's gf's children.....

That would be even more tragic.

anonomous
Eugene, MO
Wrote:

Vicki were still wandering what happened to Jasmine "our mom"..... We have been living without her for two years now and you think 3 damn days are bad...yeah i hope Elizbeth is found and that they issue a amber alert but i hope this message gets through your head and maybe you will confess what you know about our mother......Between you and Dale you guys have made my little sisters, my big bothers, and my life a freaking living HELL! Vicki i have always wanted to tell you
how horrible our lives are now because of what ever it is that happened to our mom....


This just pops into my head when thinking of an "older juvenille" and the almost hate or distain in the letter, just came at a weird time....


This would be such a tradegy if the two families were interwoven in this way.
I certainly hope not.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: mymonkey on October 23, 2009, 04:35:37 PM
Such a sad, sad week.  My God.  Prayers for this little girl and her family.  A juvenile. . . wow.



Children killing children.....now I question even more what has happened to our world. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
just got home and read the news.

damnit!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:37:07 PM
do we know where the children of Jasmine i believe is her name... live? i just really think those messeges from ealier were more than we are hurting messeges.... if they were aquainted maybe not friends would also make sense


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:37:22 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: I was just finishing up dinner, and came back to the computer to see this. What a effed up mess this has been.
 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 04:39:16 PM
Im not sure where they are from....the person who posted that the place was Euguene, Mo...but we know that topix posters could say one place but they are actually from another...Unless you are a member. Mine always shows the same.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: mymonkey on October 23, 2009, 04:39:17 PM
Such a sad, sad week.  My God.  Prayers for this little girl and her family.  A juvenile. . . wow.



Children killing children.....now I question even more what has happened to our world. ::MonkeyMad::

A juvenile can be someone as old as 17....I guess we will wait and see.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:40:35 PM
do we know where the children of Jasmine i believe is her name... live? i just really think those messeges from ealier were more than we are hurting messeges.... if they were aquainted maybe not friends would also make sense

I am not familiar with Jasmine's case.  Someone earlier said there was a thread for her here.  Your answers may be in there. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Edward on October 23, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
 One of her friends killed her, it said another juvenile led them to her body ?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 23, 2009, 04:41:38 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Over and over again.It never stops.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 04:42:07 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
reminds me of Maddie Clifton.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 04:43:13 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
Police find the body of missing 9-year-old

ST. MARTINS, MO. -- Police found the body of 9-year-old who went missing Wednesday night.

Elizabeth Olten, a fourth grader from this rural Missouri area about 35 miles south of Columbia, was reported missing when she failed to return home from a friend’s.

The body was found miles near her home.

A written note by an unidentified person lead police to an person of interest. That person lead the police to Elizabeth's body.

Police have an older teen in custody.

The juvenile is local to the area and is not connected to the family.

There was search crew of 70 people was on the ground in addition to 70 law enforcement officers on Friday. Officials said the search will be more "pin-pointed and directed," than it was Thursday. Also, the Missouri Highway Patrol is using a helicopter with infrared imaging equipment to assist with the search.

When Olten was reported missing Wednesday evening just after 6 p.m., authorities learned that she had a cell phone with her.

Investigators worked with the phone carrier AT&T to send “pings” to the phone in an attempt to locate it. The “ping” put the cell phone in the woods behind Elizabeth’s home. However, by Thursday afternoon, the pings were no longer working. Police believe that the phone battery had died.

White also said the department has some phone records back from Elizabeth's cell phone and investigators are going through those.

<snipped>

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367027


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:46:43 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
 One of her friends killed her, it said another juvenile led them to her body ?

Yes they received a note written by a juvenile which led them to another juvenile who took them to her body and is now in custody.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:48:22 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
All I can say now is, give the family strength, and the person they have in custody...make this simple...do the right thing, and give your family closure too.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: NM on October 23, 2009, 04:52:57 PM
Missing Cole County Missouri Girl Found Murdered

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Police in mid-Missouri say they have recovered the body of a missing 9-year-old girl and have a juvenile "person of interest" in custody. Cole County Sheriff Greg White told reporters Friday that the person of interest and Elizabeth Olten were acquainted.

White would not give any details about the person of interest except to say the individual lived in the area west of Jefferson City and was older than Elizabeth.

Elizabeth had last been seen when she started walking home from a neighbor's house on Wednesday.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-elizabeth-olten-missing-dead-102309,0,5282062.story

by yahoo maps Eugene, Mo is ~21 miles south-west. That is the town listed in the Topix posts from the childern of Jasmine.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 04:53:07 PM
i hope it is not one of the Dad's gf's children.....
Just saw this, poor Elizabeth. OMG, I was wondering this morning, and shoved it out of my mind, when some of those comments were posted from Jasmine's kids.  And thank you, I did have Vicki mixed up with mom  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Missing St. Martins girl found dead
by Steve Walsh on October 23, 2009

in Crime & Courts

The search for a missing 9-year-old girl from St. Martins, near Jefferson City, ends in tragedy with the discovery of the body of Elizabeth Olten.

Police found the youngster’s body around 3 o’clock Friday afternoon. They were led to the body by a teenager who is described as a person of interest. The body was found in an area in which search crews had been looking for the missing child.


The girl had been reported missing from her home around 7 o’clock Wednesday evening after leaving a friend’s house. The youngster’s father, Dale Olten, Senior, is currently serving time in prison. But a family member says it is not believed the man criminal past is connected to the girl’s disappearance.

http://www.missourinet.com/2009/10/23/missing-st-martins-girl-found-dead/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: darla on October 23, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Oh my Dear Lord, how much sadder can this week get. My heart just breaks for all these precious children who are taken from this earth in such tragic ways. God Bless them all.

Northern Rose thank you for all you do to keep us updated. I wish I knew how to do the research that you do.   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 04:53:40 PM
I was in the somer thread and saw NR's post about Elisabeth, how awful  ::MonkeyWaa::.

Prays for you Elisabeth, I pray you find peace in heaven


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 23, 2009, 04:53:53 PM
This is so terribly sad....and to know that a juvenile is involved is  crushing. What in the hell is wrong in our world. So many children being murdered..........by strangers, by SO's, by parents and now by other children.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:55:50 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I saw her picture I was drawn to her as my daughter looked very similar at the same age.  It is the worst outcome.  Now another child's life is also ruined along with their family.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 04:56:31 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.
Me too  ::MonkeyAngel::  I'm wondering girl or boy, did this to Elizabeth, I don't seem to see a reference to sex in the articles.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 04:57:04 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

me, too  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 04:57:41 PM
An "older juvenile" suspect has been taken into custody. We're awaiting further details, tune into KSPR News at 4:30 for the latest.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/65824587.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 04:58:29 PM
i hope it is not one of the Dad's gf's children.....
Just saw this, poor Elizabeth. OMG, I was wondering this morning, and shoved it out of my mind, when some of those comments were posted from Jasmine's kids.  And thank you, I did have Vicki mixed up with mom  ::MonkeyConfused::

What a double tragedy if it is one of her kids, not only is the mom missing but if one goes away to jail... just speculation of course.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Missiontoconvict on October 23, 2009, 04:58:30 PM
This is so terribly sad....and to know that a juvenile is involved is  crushing. What in the hell is wrong in our world. So many children being murdered..........by strangers, by SO's, by parents and now by other children.

Exatcly what I was going to say and ask.  This is beyond out of control.  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 04:58:48 PM
All I can say now is, give the family strength, and the person they have in custody...make this simple...do the right thing, and give your family closure too.

yes.

don't pull a Casey.

just tell the truth.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
An "older juvenile" suspect has been taken into custody. We're awaiting further details, tune into KSPR News at 4:30 for the latest.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/65824587.html

I bet dollars to donuts that this juvenile will be facing adult charges.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 05:01:34 PM
I've read alot of juvenile offenders....

Could be, they wanted her phone.
Could be, they were mad at their parents.
Could be, they just wanted to know what it felt like.
Could be, they saw her weaker then them.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
All I can say now is, give the family strength, and the person they have in custody...make this simple...do the right thing, and give your family closure too.

yes.

don't pull a Casey.

just tell the truth.

I am thinking if they already have a letter, and have the person who has LEAD them to the body, that this should be a rather open shut case. Just hoping


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:02:41 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
An "older juvenile" suspect has been taken into custody. We're awaiting further details, tune into KSPR News at 4:30 for the latest.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/65824587.html

I bet dollars to donuts that this juvenile will be facing adult charges.

ITA especially since it is an older teen


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: burkieandemme on October 23, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

There are no words for this terrible crime. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 05:09:30 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I saw her picture I was drawn to her as my daughter looked very similar at the same age.  It is the worst outcome.  Now another child's life is also ruined along with their family.

Oh NORTHERN, I knew this case really drew you. I am so sorry.  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
what is elizabeth's mom's name?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 05:11:13 PM


BLOCKED WEBSITE



they must've found her phone - the physical and written evidence.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
what is elizabeth's mom's name?
Patricia (Patti) Preiss


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
Yes, they must have found her phone, my gosh she was only 9, so I would doubt this was anykind of boyfriend, matter of fact, we don't even know if it is a male or female that did this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:14:15 PM


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they must've found her phone - the physical and written evidence.

One of the articles stated that there was a note written to LE by a juvenile which lead them to the juvenile who did it.  The one who did it took LE  to her body.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 05:16:18 PM
what is elizabeth's mom's name?
Patricia (Patti) Preiss

thank you.

i was having a very hard time finding it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:16:51 PM
what is elizabeth's mom's name?

Patricia (Patti) is Elizabeth's mom


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 23, 2009, 05:17:22 PM
This is just the worst week that I can think of, what in the world is going on, I cant believe another one has been found and now we hear another child is at fault, this is really screwed up......God Bless this Childs family and her too.......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
Yes, they must have found her phone, my gosh she was only 9, so I would doubt this was anykind of boyfriend, matter of fact, we don't even know if it is a male or female that did this.

I wonder if the friend she was visiting has an older brother?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 05:19:50 PM
Yes, they must have found her phone, my gosh she was only 9, so I would doubt this was anykind of boyfriend, matter of fact, we don't even know if it is a male or female that did this.

I wonder if the friend she was visiting has an older brother?
Yes maybe and then the friend she was visiting told the police which led to the arrest of her brother, or even maybe a cousin. Or the person could also be another neighbor.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:22:05 PM
Yes, they must have found her phone, my gosh she was only 9, so I would doubt this was anykind of boyfriend, matter of fact, we don't even know if it is a male or female that did this.

I wonder if the friend she was visiting has an older brother?
Yes maybe and then the friend she was visiting told the police which led to the arrest of her brother, or even maybe a cousin. Or the person could also be another neighbor.

Very true, so sad, i will admit i am quick to assume it was a boy, and i could very well be wrong, especially given all the crimes recently being committed by women, but in younger children i just think a boy did it. i can only pray that she was not sexually abused as well  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:22:20 PM
Yes, they must have found her phone, my gosh she was only 9, so I would doubt this was anykind of boyfriend, matter of fact, we don't even know if it is a male or female that did this.

I wonder if the friend she was visiting has an older brother?
Yes maybe and then the friend she was visiting told the police which led to the arrest of her brother, or even maybe a cousin. Or the person could also be another neighbor.

I was wondering if it is connected to the friends house as well.  Grandpa sends her home early, she never gets home.  Would make sense if the friend she was visiting wrote the letter to LE that connected them to the person who did it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:29:04 PM
10 min ago - Juvenile in Custody in Olten Disappearance
The Cole County Sheriff's Department tells us - the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten has been found. A juvenile is in custody, connected to the death. Authorities believe the juvenile knew of the family but was not directly connected to them. Elizabeth's cell phone was found, and investigators say hand written notes and other physical evidence lead them to the suspect. That suspect led them to Elizabeth’s body. All we know at this point is the body was found in a wooded area and is being recovered. Elizabeth went missing Wednesday evening, walking home from a friends house just a few blocks away. Since that time hundreds of people had been searching for her. We have a reporter at the scene getting more information from Sheriff's Department.   Posted by Adam Forgie

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15301


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:30:08 PM
Yes, they must have found her phone, my gosh she was only 9, so I would doubt this was anykind of boyfriend, matter of fact, we don't even know if it is a male or female that did this.

I wonder if the friend she was visiting has an older brother?
Yes maybe and then the friend she was visiting told the police which led to the arrest of her brother, or even maybe a cousin. Or the person could also be another neighbor.

I was wondering if it is connected to the friends house as well.  Grandpa sends her home early, she never gets home.  Would make sense if the friend she was visiting wrote the letter to LE that connected them to the person who did it.

If related to lil friend she was visiting can you imagine the guilt the little friend will most likely harbor...and not rightfully so if she was in no way involved but ppl constantly beat them selves up like if i never asked her over or if i never woulda said anything type of stuff. i pray for that friend and her family, as well as Elizabeth's


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 05:32:50 PM
Body of Elizabeth Olten Recovered
"Person if Interest", a juvenile is in custody.13 min ago - Juvenile in Custody in Olten Disappearance
The Cole County Sheriff's Department tells us - the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten has been found. A juvenile is in custody, connected to the death. Authorities believe the juvenile knew of the family but was not directly connected to them. Elizabeth's cell phone was found, and investigators say hand written notes and other physical evidence lead them to the suspect. That suspect led them to Elizabeth’s body. All we know at this point is the body was found in a wooded area and is being recovered. Elizabeth went missing Wednesday evening, walking home from a friends house just a few blocks away. Since that time hundreds of people had been searching for her. We have a reporter at the scene getting more information from Sheriff's Department.   Posted by Adam Forgie

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15301
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:33:20 PM
ST. MARTINS -- Update:

Police found the body of Elizabeth Olten just minutes ago near the area search crews were looking for her.

A written note from an unidentified lead police to juvenile offender, where they also found Elizabeth's body.

An older  juvenile is in custody. Authorities would not say if the juvenile is a boy or girl.

The juvenile is local to the area and has no connection to the family.

A press conference has just ended, more information will be available soon.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 05:35:40 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I saw her picture I was drawn to her as my daughter looked very similar at the same age.  It is the worst outcome.  Now another child's life is also ruined along with their family.

 :smt056


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I saw her picture I was drawn to her as my daughter looked very similar at the same age.  It is the worst outcome.  Now another child's life is also ruined along with their family.

 :smt056

What a horrible week it has been. I am going to go take a breather and go meet my daughter at the school bus.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
 
Friday, October 23, 2009 at 3:38 p.m.


ST. MARTINS, MO. -- Police found the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten who went missing Wednesday night.

The body was found near the wooden area of Elizabeth's home.

Physical evidence and written evidence led police to develop a person of interest. Police interviewed the person of interest, a older teen, who then led police to Elizabeth's body.

Police have the teen in custody. The teen lives in the area and is not connected to the family.

A search crew of 70 people was on the ground in addition to 70 law enforcement officers on Friday. Officials said the Friday morning search was more "pin-pointed and directed," than it was Thursday. Also, the Missouri Highway Patrol used a helicopter with infrared imaging equipment to assist with the search.

When Olten was reported missing Wednesday evening just after 6 p.m., authorities learned that she had a cell phone with her.

Investigators worked with the phone carrier AT&T to send “pings” to the phone in an attempt to locate it. The “ping” put the cell phone in the woods behind Elizabeth’s home. However, by Thursday afternoon, the pings were no longer working. Police believe that the phone battery had died.

White also said the department got some phone records back from Elizabeth's cell phone and investigators went through those.

A 24-hour tip line was established at (866) 362-6422. White said the tip line got calls overnight, but he wouldn't say if any leads have come from it

At the time she was reported missing, Olten was believed to be wearing a pink T-shirt with a darker pink vest and blue jeans with pink ribbons on them.

Elizabeth’s aunt, Vicki Olten, said during the search the family didn't believe that the 9-year-old wandered off on her own because the girl is afraid of the dark. She believes the fourth grader was abducted.

The response by local residents to help with the search was tremendous. On Thursday, 300 volunteers assisted 100 law enforcement personnel in a search of the area surrounding Olten’s home.

“We’ve done far more than the capability we’ve got,” White said Thursday. “And that’s simply because of the level of citizen involvement and they willingness (to help) they’ve had.”

So many volunteers showed up Thursday night that police started to turn them away, like Gene Bauer.

“We’ve got plenty of gravel roads in this area that could have been checked,” Bauer said. “The last thing I wanted to hear from somebody is, ‘Oh, we’ve got insurance concerns.’ Well, people aren’t out her concerned about insurance or liability. They’re out here concerned for that little girl.”

Cole County Sheriff's department worked with the Red Cross to get volunteers.

The strain of not knowing what happened to Elizabeth took its toll on family members.

“I want my niece home, I want her safe,” a tearful Vicki Olten said Thursday. “She’s a beautiful young girl and (has) a full life ahead of her. She does not deserve this. Her family does not deserve this.”

The family worked with the "Missouri Missing" organization to make pins and flyers to hand out.

Police did not issue an Amber Alert when Olten was reported missing because the law outlines specific conditions that must be met before an alert can be issued. Instead, an endangered person advisory was issued.

Without an Amber Alert status, there is no activation of the automatic warning system through television, radio or highway signs.

“We put this out to law enforcement all through the Region F area, which is a 13-county area, and of course, entered it into the NCIC, which covers the United States,” White said. “So the simple difference would be how much the average citizen would get on it.”

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367062


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:41:17 PM


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Wouldnt you have to clarify that the person is a suspect before you could determain even wether they will be charged, let alone as an adult or juvenille.... i know this person is a POI and they have to basically have all their ducks in a row before calling them a suspect and have their evidence but isnt it a lil premature to be making comments like that?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
10 min ago - Juvenile in Custody in Olten Disappearance
The Cole County Sheriff's Department tells us - the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten has been found. A juvenile is in custody, connected to the death. Authorities believe the juvenile knew of the family but was not directly connected to them. Elizabeth's cell phone was found, and investigators say hand written notes and other physical evidence lead them to the suspect. That suspect led them to Elizabeth’s body. All we know at this point is the body was found in a wooded area and is being recovered. Elizabeth went missing Wednesday evening, walking home from a friends house just a few blocks away. Since that time hundreds of people had been searching for her. We have a reporter at the scene getting more information from Sheriff's Department.   Posted by Adam Forgie

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15301
Not directly connected to the family, how old are Jasmin's children?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 05:43:41 PM
ST. MARTINS -- Update:

Police found the body of Elizabeth Olten just minutes ago near the area search crews were looking for her.

A written note from an unidentified lead police to juvenile offender, where they also found Elizabeth's body.

An older  juvenile is in custody. Authorities would not say if the juvenile is a boy or girl.

The juvenile is local to the area and has no connection to the family.

A press conference has just ended, more information will be available soon.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189
Thanks, would not say if person is a boy or a girl.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 05:45:11 PM
I'm still thinking about those comments posted earlier from one of Jasmine's children  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 05:45:34 PM
10 min ago - Juvenile in Custody in Olten Disappearance
The Cole County Sheriff's Department tells us - the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten has been found. A juvenile is in custody, connected to the death. Authorities believe the juvenile knew of the family but was not directly connected to them. Elizabeth's cell phone was found, and investigators say hand written notes and other physical evidence lead them to the suspect. That suspect led them to Elizabeth’s body. All we know at this point is the body was found in a wooded area and is being recovered. Elizabeth went missing Wednesday evening, walking home from a friends house just a few blocks away. Since that time hundreds of people had been searching for her. We have a reporter at the scene getting more information from Sheriff's Department.   Posted by Adam Forgie

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15301
Not directly connected to the family, how old are Jasmin's children?

Not sure how old they are.  But I would assume, and that is just me, that Jasmine's children would be connected because of Elizabeths dad. 

I think that this may be a kid/teen  who thought she had something they wanted...bullied her. Which went to far.
But then Again, the post in topix earlier was just toooo erie.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 05:47:10 PM
JUST speculation but sure seem like someone was saying...just see how we feel.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:47:35 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I saw her picture I was drawn to her as my daughter looked very similar at the same age.  It is the worst outcome.  Now another child's life is also ruined along with their family.

 :smt056

What a horrible week it has been. I am going to go take a breather and go meet my daughter at the school bus.

Thank you for all you have done for her and keeping us up to date, i will prolly see u this weekend, enjoy your fresh air and your daughter!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 05:48:38 PM
JUST speculation but sure seem like someone was saying...just see how we feel.
Exactly  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 05:48:53 PM
JUST speculation but sure seem like someone was saying...just see how we feel.

I agree sure was hinky what they said, and their timing, and that there are older brothers...and that Eugene area is not all that far...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 05:53:47 PM
Northern Rose,

Tyvm for keeping us updated on this case. I know you have been non stop.

second that, Northern Rose.  I really appreciate it.

This is just too much that a child killed a child.  I don't even know what to think right now.  I was really hoping they would find her.

You have really been bustin your a$$ on this one Northern, thank you, such a sad outcome  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I saw her picture I was drawn to her as my daughter looked very similar at the same age.  It is the worst outcome.  Now another child's life is also ruined along with their family.

 :smt056

What a horrible week it has been. I am going to go take a breather and go meet my daughter at the school bus.

hugs, Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 05:54:05 PM
Northern rose, go take a breather and maybe a nice long bubble bath. This has been a rough week, just so heartbreaking and beyond words.

NRCG, I saw a pic of them with their mom, they seemed to be around ,8 9, 10 or so at the time? I dont' know when the pic was taken, had to be more then 2 years ago..I am not sure if they would be said to be an older teen?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
Personally, from what I have read, when children kill, there really isnt a reason.  The only sure reason is, when they feel like they are being alienated from their parent that remarries.

Most children that kill, and then again, we dont know, but this person could be 16, 17..but most that kill, really dont have a reason.

If its not jealousy, its just pure evil thoughts they cant control, or they just dont have a reason.

Will be interesting for educational purposes to see why.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 05:58:07 PM
from digging through this myspace, http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine - I found a daughter, Nikki 30 - http://www.myspace.com/hotsvrider - and a son, Cody 19 http://www.myspace.com/haslag27 - 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 06:08:42 PM
Northern rose, go take a breather and maybe a nice long bubble bath. This has been a rough week, just so heartbreaking and beyond words.

NRCG, I saw a pic of them with their mom, they seemed to be around ,8 9, 10 or so at the time? I dont' know when the pic was taken, had to be more then 2 years ago..I am not sure if they would be said to be an older teen?
Thanks, I have not seen a pic of them.  And I agree Northern Rose, take a rest and have a nice evening  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 06:09:20 PM
Personally, from what I have read, when children kill, there really isnt a reason.  The only sure reason is, when they feel like they are being alienated from their parent that remarries.

Most children that kill, and then again, we dont know, but this person could be 16, 17..but most that kill, really dont have a reason.

If its not jealousy, its just pure evil thoughts they cant control, or they just dont have a reason.

Will be interesting for educational purposes to see why.
Yes, it will be.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 06:24:24 PM
so maybe this whole time they were saying that it was not an abduction, they already had these "written peices of evidence" and were just trying to track down this POI and/or talk to them, and crack him/her.........


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 23, 2009, 06:27:26 PM
I gotta run some errands and head home ill check back in tonight, thanks for all of your help and updates, so sad  ::MonkeyNoNo:: my prayers are with everyone involved  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
The press conference is online here
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=188125&catid=3


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 23, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
from digging through this myspace, http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine - I found a daughter, Nikki 30 - http://www.myspace.com/hotsvrider - and a son, Cody 19 http://www.myspace.com/haslag27 - 

IIRC wasn't it posted back in this thread that Jasmine was like 32 yrs old and she went to pick her kids up at school? If that is true surely she doesn't have a daughter that is 30.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:36:01 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mymonkey on October 23, 2009, 06:38:54 PM
This is a what if......A teenager hit her with a automobile driving on the hwy she was walking home on....freaked out and took her into the woods.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
from digging through this myspace, http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine - I found a daughter, Nikki 30 - http://www.myspace.com/hotsvrider - and a son, Cody 19 http://www.myspace.com/haslag27 - 

IIRC wasn't it posted back in this thread that Jasmine was like 32 yrs old and she went to pick her kids up at school? If that is true surely she doesn't have a daughter that is 30.

She was 32 when she went missing in June 17 2007.  She called the father of her children and her kids that she was going to be picking up the kids on the 18th and never showed up. Her mother filed a missing person report on 21st.  Police had found her car abandoned before the missing person report was filed and towed it as it was on private land.  It was abandoned on a bridge the opposite direction as the father of the kids house, the plates were pulled off.  Through the VIN number they determined that it was Jasmines.  She was to appear in court on June 18 and was out on a $50,000 bond for the drug bust with Dale Sr.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:46:58 PM
This is a what if......A teenager hit her with a automobile driving on the hwy she was walking home on....freaked out and took her into the woods.

She was large for her age, 5'2 and over 108lbs.  If another teen took her into the woods I think they would have difficulty getting deep into the woods carrying/dragging her in there.  If they drove then the tracks would have been easy to follow as woudl any blood trail.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:50:28 PM
Missing 9-year-old Missouri girl found dead

KMOV)-- Authorities have found the body of the 9 year old missing since Wednesday.


They found the body of Elizabeth Olten around 2:30 p.m. Friday in a dense, wooded area not too far from the area they'd been searching.

Authorities were lead to her body by another child, who's now in custody and expected to be charged with Elizabeth’s death.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said he started getting written and physical evidence late this morning. "There were some written notes a person had made that led us to that person of interest and that's all I’m going to say,” he said.

Sheriff White said because of the suspect's age he can't say much about him or her other than the child is older than 9-year-old Elizabeth and the pair knew each other. Most of the details of this case are being kept vague so as not to jeopardize the prosecution of the yet-to-be charged minor.

More than 350 people from the area helped in the effort to find Elizabeth the past couple of days.   The sheriff said moments after he was sure what happened he went to Elizabeth’s family's house.

While word got out about Elizabeth soon after she went missing, there never was an amber alert.

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-stlouis-091022-missing-girl-jefferson-city.23f506cd1.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
This is a what if......A teenager hit her with a automobile driving on the hwy she was walking home on....freaked out and took her into the woods.
I was seeing something about that on another forum, also, a new poster on WS first post, and all it said, was 15 girl. So I don't know if this person was causing trouble or this person knows it was a girl that is 15.  Could very well be a teenager accidently hit her with the car and hid her body, but surely there would have been blood on the highway.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
Sheriff White said because of the suspect's age he can't say much about him or her other than the child is older than 9-year-old Elizabeth and the pair knew each other.  ::MonkeyEek::  My mind keeps wondering to one of Jasmine's children  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:55:43 PM
Police find body of missing 9-year-old Mo. girl
By CHRIS BLANK (AP) – 31 minutes ago

ST. MARTINS, Mo. — The body of a missing 9-year-old Missouri girl was found in a wooded area near the state capital on Friday, two days after she was last seen walking from a neighbor's home, police said.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said a juvenile, described only as a "person of interest," was taken into custody. The juvenile was acquainted with the girl, Elizabeth Olten, White said.

The sheriff not give any details on how Elizabeth died or about the juvenile in custody except to say that the person lived in the area west of Jefferson City and was older than the girl. Police said Elizabeth's body was found just before 3 p.m.

"We were able to obtain some physical evidence and through some analysis of some of the evidence and in all honesty some written evidence, we were able to develop a person of interest," White said. "Once we reached that person and interviewed them, ultimately they led us to where we've recovered Elizabeth's body."

Elizabeth was last seen when she started walking home from a neighbor's house on Wednesday evening. A woman who answered a family spokeswoman's phone Friday said Elizabeth's family had no immediate comment.

White said had spoken with Elizabeth's mother and said the family is "deeply grieving."

"I'm a parent, and I know how I would feel. I would simply leave it to you that they are grieving," he said.

Earlier Friday, about 70 people had searched for Elizabeth on horseback, with all-terrain vehicles and on foot while another 70 investigators checked leads, White said. Several hundred people had joined the search Thursday despite a steady rain and rough terrain.

Police focused their search area after they figured out roughly where Elizabeth's phone was located. White said the phone was later found but declined to say if it had turned up evidence.

The Missouri State Highway Patrol searched by helicopter with thermal imaging radar, and the Missouri State Water Patrol checked ponds in the area with sonar.

Highway Patrol Superintendent Col. James Keathley said he wishes the outcome was better.

"It's been quite an ordeal for the last few days. There's a lot emotions involved in this. It's been tough on everybody involved in this case," Keathley said.

David Schulte, who lives nearby, said Elizabeth typically would walk through his front yard about 30 or 40 feet away from the road on her way back home from the friend's house. Schulte said he didn't know Elizabeth well but that she had come through the neighborhood to sell cookie dough for a school fundraiser.

Schulte, who had helped with the search, said the area around where the phone was transmitting signals was about one-quarter of a mile away from the county highway and in the middle of the woods. He said it is easy to get turned around and difficult to hold straight search lines because the terrain is all "ridges and valleys" along with brambles.

"You'd have to want to be back there," said Schulte, before police announced that Elizabeth's body had been found.

Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson did not immediately return a call seeking comment Friday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iL2APTMLoOIa6NBqXxEd_DKqAkDQD9BH2OOO5


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:58:16 PM
Sheriff White said because of the suspect's age he can't say much about him or her other than the child is older than 9-year-old Elizabeth and the pair knew each other.  ::MonkeyEek::  My mind keeps wondering to one of Jasmine's children  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know.  Especially after reading those messages left on Topix.  I really hope we are wrong.  I also know that if this is a juvenile and goes to school there will Eb two people not going into school Monday so the rumour mill will be flying on Monday in their little town about anyone that is not in school.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 06:59:10 PM
Marc Klass Knows Pain Cole County, MO Family Is Going Through

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-marc-klass-amber-alerts-102309,0,5959117.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:01:04 PM
JEFFERSON CITY, MO (kcur) - A little girl from St. Martins,Mo., missing nearly two days has been found dead in a deep stand of woods. And an older boy has been arrested.
Elizabeth Olten told parents on a cell phone she was walking home from neighbors Wednesday late afternoon. She vanished. Electronics technicians were able to detect 'pings' from her phone for a time but they faded. The search had been joined by F.B.I. agents, Missouri Highway Patrol troopers and volunteers.


Search teams with dogs were in their second day of covering wooded terrain within a mile of the girl's home when, Sheriff Greg White of Cole County said, written and other evidence led then to a somewhat older boy, still a minor. And that boy led them to her body. Reporters questioned the sheriff after the discover of the girl's remains and the arrest. He said evidence teams were processing several areas. Asked to clarify the relationship between the child and the boy who was arrested, Sheriff White would only say---"they are acquainted."

Elizabeth Olten was 9 years old. Authorities asked prayers for her family, members of which were said to be 'deeply grieving.'

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kcur/news.newsmain/article/1/0/1569657/KCUR.News/Hunt.Ends.Child.Found.Dead


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:03:30 PM
JEFFERSON CITY, MO (kcur) - A little girl from St. Martins,Mo., missing nearly two days has been found dead in a deep stand of woods. And an older boy has been arrested.
Elizabeth Olten told parents on a cell phone she was walking home from neighbors Wednesday late afternoon. She vanished. Electronics technicians were able to detect 'pings' from her phone for a time but they faded. The search had been joined by F.B.I. agents, Missouri Highway Patrol troopers and volunteers.


Search teams with dogs were in their second day of covering wooded terrain within a mile of the girl's home when, Sheriff Greg White of Cole County said, written and other evidence led then to a somewhat older boy, still a minor. And that boy led them to her body. Reporters questioned the sheriff after the discover of the girl's remains and the arrest. He said evidence teams were processing several areas. Asked to clarify the relationship between the child and the boy who was arrested, Sheriff White would only say---"they are acquainted."

Elizabeth Olten was 9 years old. Authorities asked prayers for her family, members of which were said to be 'deeply grieving.'

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kcur/news.newsmain/article/1/0/1569657/KCUR.News/Hunt.Ends.Child.Found.Dead


If this reporter is correct, then I hope beyond hope she was not molested.  I am not sure how this one reporter would get BOY when the rest of the media have no clue as White would not say.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
The amber alert needs to change, everyone knows it, says it but it is not changed. So stupid!



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 07:10:12 PM
That person who showed up on WS saying it was a 15 year old girl, is now on IS saying the same exact thing  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 07:13:34 PM
The amber alert needs to change, everyone knows it, says it but it is not changed. So stupid!



i don't think an Amber would have helped her.

BUT, that said, cops said they didn't issue one because they were not sure there was foul play and, imo, that thinking was absolutely ridiculous.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 07:15:17 PM
I am off to take my little guy to the Haunted Hall in our village.

Something that Elizabeth and Somer should have gotten to do this Halloween.

Prayers to both families and will talk to you monkeys later.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:20:20 PM
That person who showed up on WS saying it was a 15 year old girl, is now on IS saying the same exact thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

What is IS?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Cappuccino on October 23, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
Prayers to the family  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:21:22 PM
I am off to take my little guy to the Haunted Hall in our village.

Something that Elizabeth and Somer should have gotten to do this Halloween.

Prayers to both families and will talk to you monkeys later.

I am sure you will enjoy your haunted hall and your son.

God Bless


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
I am off to take my little guy to the Haunted Hall in our village.

Something that Elizabeth and Somer should have gotten to do this Halloween.

Prayers to both families and will talk to you monkeys later.
Have a good time  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
I wonder, was the written evidence is a text message?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
That person who showed up on WS saying it was a 15 year old girl, is now on IS saying the same exact thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

What is IS?
In Sessions forum.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 07:24:12 PM
The amber alert needs to change, everyone knows it, says it but it is not changed. So stupid!



i don't think an Amber would have helped her.

BUT, that said, cops said they didn't issue one because they were not sure there was foul play and, imo, that thinking was absolutely ridiculous.

I didn't quote my comment but it was in reaction to Marc Klaas's comment.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mymonkey on October 23, 2009, 07:24:41 PM
This is a what if......A teenager hit her with a automobile driving on the hwy she was walking home on....freaked out and took her into the woods.
I was seeing something about that on another forum, also, a new poster on WS first post, and all it said, was 15 girl. So I don't know if this person was causing trouble or this person knows it was a girl that is 15.  Could very well be a teenager accidently hit her with the car and hid her body, but surely there would have been blood on the highway.

Good thinking   NRCG   I  did not think about blood on the road but it was raining heavily...Speaking of WS  they turned me down said my email was not good or something so I don't go over there....now I feel nosy and will have to see what they have to say.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
My heart goes out to the family and Elizabeth.  May you find strength to get through this and peace in your happy memories of Elizabeth you keep dear.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 07:26:14 PM
This is a what if......A teenager hit her with a automobile driving on the hwy she was walking home on....freaked out and took her into the woods.
I was seeing something about that on another forum, also, a new poster on WS first post, and all it said, was 15 girl. So I don't know if this person was causing trouble or this person knows it was a girl that is 15.  Could very well be a teenager accidently hit her with the car and hid her body, but surely there would have been blood on the highway.

Good thinking   NRCG   I  did not think about blood on the road but it was raining heavily...Speaking of WS  they turned me down said my email was not good or something so I don't go over there....now I feel nosy and will have to see what they have to say.  ::MonkeyDevil2::
I'm a member, but I gave up posting there for over a year, there rules are too strict.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:27:36 PM
That person who showed up on WS saying it was a 15 year old girl, is now on IS saying the same exact thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

What is IS?
In Sessions forum.

TY.  If that one reporter is correct and it is a Boy and he is tried as an adult he could be facing Dale Sr and Dale Jr in jail.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:29:29 PM
I wonder, was the written evidence is a text message?

Could be.  I thought I read notes though.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:31:27 PM
This is a what if......A teenager hit her with a automobile driving on the hwy she was walking home on....freaked out and took her into the woods.
I was seeing something about that on another forum, also, a new poster on WS first post, and all it said, was 15 girl. So I don't know if this person was causing trouble or this person knows it was a girl that is 15.  Could very well be a teenager accidently hit her with the car and hid her body, but surely there would have been blood on the highway.

Good thinking   NRCG   I  did not think about blood on the road but it was raining heavily...Speaking of WS  they turned me down said my email was not good or something so I don't go over there....now I feel nosy and will have to see what they have to say.  ::MonkeyDevil2::
I'm a member, but I gave up posting there for over a year, there rules are too strict.

I really doubt that another teen could take a 108lb girl deep into the woods 1/4 mile by themselves.  It has been raining so if they drove surely they were would have been tire tracks. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 07:42:53 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
NG is carrying it, but Nancy is not there today.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 08:04:33 PM
NG is carrying it, but Nancy is not there today.
Thanks


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
From reporter on NG speaking to Sherriff:

Police received a hand written note. 
Note led them to POI, 
POI led them to body in the woods. 
Body was within the search area that they had searched over twice since Weds. 
Do not know if POI is boy or girl
Do not know if POI is being charged as adult.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:08:33 PM
The POI was "a bit" older.  That means 11,12?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:12:54 PM
Searchers had searched the area that Elizabeth was found in twice and did not find her.  POI took police directly to the body. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:14:51 PM
Elizabeth's school district issues statement

Jefferson City Public School’s Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten’s death:

 “We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family. We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School. Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail.”

Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367151


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:16:12 PM
UPDATE: Missing 9-Year-Old Girl Found Dead

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (October 23, 2009)—The search for a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished after visiting a friend earlier this week ended Friday, but the ending was not the one the dozens of law enforcement officers and volunteers involved in the effort hoped for.

Searchers found Elizabeth Olten dead Friday afternoon in the wooded area that had been the focus of the search effort.

 The Cole County sheriff says Olten left a friend's house shortly after 6 p.m. Wednesday to walk to her home, about a quarter mile away.

She was used to walking the quarter-mile to her home through neighbors' yards.

She was reported missing around 7 p.m. Wednesday and is listed as an "endangered missing person."

Federal authorities joined the search, which was narrowed to a section of the wooded areas to which police briefly traced the girl’s cell phone until the batter died Thursday.

More than 200 volunteers showed up Friday to help nearly 100 emergency personnel in the search, so many that some had to be turned away.

Cole County’s sheriff said a person of interest from the area, who is a juvenile, helped them find the 4th grader’s body.

Written notes led investigators to the juvenile, the sheriff said.

http://www.kwtx.com/nationalnews/headlines/65805567.html#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
Elizabeth's school district issues statement

Jefferson City Public School’s Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten’s death:

 “We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family. We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School. Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail.”

Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367151


I guess that means the POI is a student there too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:23:33 PM
Elizabeth's school district issues statement

Jefferson City Public School’s Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten’s death:

 “We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family. We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School. Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail.”

Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367151


I guess that means the POI is a student there too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes that is my assumption.  I stated earlier that there will be 2 students not in school on Monday and the rumour mill will be buzzsing based on who is not in school.  I am really concerned about the term "a bit old".  I am doing a new map now that I know which house was the friends and show you my thoughts.  I think this is related to either the friends home or one of the 4 homes in between.  Not enough time for another child to do the murder and take her into the woods, or take her into the woods and murder her and then get back before police are all over the place.  They would have a small window from what we know.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:25:28 PM
Also want to add that they took police directly to her body when searchers missed finding her twice.  So that means it is someone who knew those woods well.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 23, 2009, 08:25:42 PM
Elizabeth's school district issues statement

Jefferson City Public School’s Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten’s death:

 “We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family. We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School. Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail.”

Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367151


I guess that means the POI is a student there too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sadly I think you are right...........WTH is going on in this world ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::








Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 08:27:05 PM
Elizabeth's school district issues statement

Jefferson City Public School’s Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten’s death:

 “We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family. We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School. Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail.”

Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367151


I guess that means the POI is a student there too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes that is my assumption.  I stated earlier that there will be 2 students not in school on Monday and the rumour mill will be buzzsing based on who is not in school.  I am really concerned about the term "a bit old".  I am doing a new map now that I know which house was the friends and show you my thoughts.  I think this is related to either the friends home or one of the 4 homes in between.  Not enough time for another child to do the murder and take her into the woods, or take her into the woods and murder her and then get back before police are all over the place.  They would have a small window from what we know.
   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: A bit older, a bit older would mean to me 11-13  ::MonkeyNoNo:: How in the he!! did that kid do this? And the person who wrote the note, did the killer confess to this kid or what? OMG This kid must be big to have done this, no?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
Klaas can I post the friends address?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:31:55 PM
Elizabeth's school district issues statement

Jefferson City Public School’s Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten’s death:

 “We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing. Our thoughts and prayers are with her family. We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School. Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail.”

Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367151


I guess that means the POI is a student there too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes that is my assumption.  I stated earlier that there will be 2 students not in school on Monday and the rumour mill will be buzzsing based on who is not in school.  I am really concerned about the term "a bit old".  I am doing a new map now that I know which house was the friends and show you my thoughts.  I think this is related to either the friends home or one of the 4 homes in between.  Not enough time for another child to do the murder and take her into the woods, or take her into the woods and murder her and then get back before police are all over the place.  They would have a small window from what we know.
   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: A bit older, a bit older would mean to me 11-13  ::MonkeyNoNo:: How in the he!! did that kid do this? And the person who wrote the note, did the killer confess to this kid or what? OMG This kid must be big to have done this, no?

Do not know what the note said.  Could have been a recount of what they did and a friend/sibling found it and handed it to LE maybe.  I am thinking the POI goes to the same elementary school from the school board statement and the "bit older" so no older than 13 or you would be in middle school?

Elizabeth was 5'2" and 108 lbs so not sure what or how this other child did but she was big for her age.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
Klaas can I post the friends address?

How do we know it's THE friend?  Not sure what good the address will do us now.  Let me think on that for a minute, ok?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
I have blacked out the address until a mod tells me it is OK to post. This is the friends house she was at.  If you note you only see it when you are at street view.  It is a new house and the long windy drive runs beside and around the pond.  In the small overhead view it does not show up at all but you can see the pond.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 08:39:09 PM
Thanks Northern


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2009, 08:39:51 PM
I have blacked out the address until a mod tells me it is OK to post. This is the friends house she was at.  If you note you only see it when you are at street view.  It is a new house and the long windy drive runs beside and around the pond.  In the small overhead view it does not show up at all but you can see the pond.

So we have already seen this address?  It's the address of the friends house she was leaving from?  If that is the case, OK to post the address again.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 08:41:08 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 08:44:57 PM
I have blacked out the address until a mod tells me it is OK to post. This is the friends house she was at.  If you note you only see it when you are at street view.  It is a new house and the long windy drive runs beside and around the pond.  In the small overhead view it does not show up at all but you can see the pond.
OMG, that reminds me of where I used to live in the "country". I can't imagine walking home in that kind of terrain when it is getting darktime.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:45:48 PM
I have blacked out the address until a mod tells me it is OK to post. This is the friends house she was at.  If you note you only see it when you are at street view.  It is a new house and the long windy drive runs beside and around the pond.  In the small overhead view it does not show up at all but you can see the pond.

So we have already seen this address?  It's the address of the friends house she was leaving from?  If that is the case, OK to post the address again.

I am not sure if the actual address has been posted anywhere which is why I asked.  It was reported that the friend was in the 300 block however which is how I will refer to it.  I know it is the friend from a searcher that was interviewed in one of the articles as well as the new map that was up on FOX.  They had a house mapped out that does not exist when you are in overhead view but when you go to street view you have an AHA moment.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 08:48:21 PM
I am not sure about this particular area, but there are a lot of caves in Missouri, although you wouldn't expect that looking at the terrain. I have a feeling Elizabeth's body was in a crevice or small hidden cave since the area had been searched twice. Possibly somewhere that kids in the area would know about. But how another child could have gotten her there is another matter.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:48:41 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM

Sorry JSM I did not understand your question, its been a stressful day for me.  Could you please ask again?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 08:51:18 PM
I have blacked out the address until a mod tells me it is OK to post. This is the friends house she was at.  If you note you only see it when you are at street view.  It is a new house and the long windy drive runs beside and around the pond.  In the small overhead view it does not show up at all but you can see the pond.
OMG, that reminds me of where I used to live in the "country". I can't imagine walking home in that kind of terrain when it is getting darktime.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Looks like a heck of a long walk in twilight.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:51:40 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 08:54:05 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4, I'm guessing?

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit

RTE D!! It has been a long day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
All those reports that there were only 4 houses in between were correct and she never had to cross the highway.  She could walk along the back of the houses by the woodline, or along the front yards and not have to step out on the highway.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 08:59:24 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit

RTE D!! It has been a long day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 23, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
All those reports that there were only 4 houses in between were correct and she never had to cross the highway.  She could walk along the back of the houses by the woodline, or along the front yards and not have to step out on the highway.



Wow, that is scary when your child can't even walk four houses home without worry. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:02:54 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit

RTE D!! It has been a long day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry for jumping into your stack.  Here was my response

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 09:03:34 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit

RTE D!! It has been a long day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

So I am wondering if the woods they are referring to where Elizabeth was found was the tree line behind the houses on her route home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 09:04:41 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit

RTE D!! It has been a long day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry for jumping into your stack.  Here was my response

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.

Thanks! I had figured it out.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 09:05:15 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM

Sorry JSM I did not understand your question, its been a stressful day for me.  Could you please ask again?
Sorry my keyboard is sticky from my pizza. Did the NOTE come from a minor child? I said a not TIA JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:05:39 PM
All those reports that there were only 4 houses in between were correct and she never had to cross the highway.  She could walk along the back of the houses by the woodline, or along the front yards and not have to step out on the highway.



Wow, that is scary when your child can't even walk four houses home without worry. ::MonkeyMad::

Especially in a nice rural place.  That really rocked my world as that is sort of what it looks like up here with the house and  big lot being 3/4 - 1 acre and woods behind.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM

Sorry JSM I did not understand your question, its been a stressful day for me.  Could you please ask again?
Sorry my keyboard is sticky from my pizza. Did the NOTE come from a minor child? I said a not TIA JSM

Yes, the written notes were from a minor as well, which pointed LE to another minor , who took them to the body.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 23, 2009, 09:11:57 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM

Sorry JSM I did not understand your question, its been a stressful day for me.  Could you please ask again?
Sorry my keyboard is sticky from my pizza. Did the NOTE come from a minor child? I said a not TIA JSM

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/thsmiley_pizza.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 09:13:40 PM
Reason I am asking about the note and whether a child gave the note is this...Dr. Mitchell stated that the school district would continue to assist local law enforcement as they investigate the case.

Could it be a teacher or someone at the school gave a written tip or some kind of writing/essay from the child they have arrested, that wanted to harm Elizabeth or someone else? IDK, just thinking in my head.

I read Dylan Klebold's mother's article and she said that the school had writings he had done before the Columbine massacre, but the school thought nothing about the writings. So it just made me think maybe a teacher or someone had writings from this perp that made the teacher take notice and give to LE.

Hope this makes sense, I don't have much left today.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 09:14:57 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM

Sorry JSM I did not understand your question, its been a stressful day for me.  Could you please ask again?
Sorry my keyboard is sticky from my pizza. Did the NOTE come from a minor child? I said a not TIA JSM

Yes, the written notes were from a minor as well, which pointed LE to another minor , who took them to the body.
Oh Okay, Thanks Northern, please excuse my post above. I posted it before I saw this one. TIA JSM.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
Here is my best guess of where the house would be from the overhead view based on how the driveway turns and the stable and riding pen in both views on the left.



And Elizabeth's house is on Rte 4 D, I'm guessing?

Yes Rte D and Lomo Drive are the same as you can see from the last map.  As for the written note, it was left/given to LE by another juvenile.

I think JSM was asking about the NOTE coming from another minor child.

Self edit

RTE D!! It has been a long day.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

So I am wondering if the woods they are referring to where Elizabeth was found was the tree line behind the houses on her route home.

Yes.  THe Sherriff said tonight they found her 1/4mile in the woods, in the woods behind her house.  You can see how big those woods are

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=224%20lomo%20dr%2C%20st%20martins%2C%20mo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 09:16:32 PM
One question, did the not come from another minor child? TIA JSM

Sorry JSM I did not understand your question, its been a stressful day for me.  Could you please ask again?
Sorry my keyboard is sticky from my pizza. Did the NOTE come from a minor child? I said a not TIA JSM

(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/thsmiley_pizza.gif)
  ::MonkeyWink:: Yep Fanny, 1/3 of a pizza down my gullet tonight. This and Somer's is doing my head in and the only thing to make me sane is food right now.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:22:34 PM
So from a timeline
6:15 she leaves friends house

7:00 Mom calls police

45 minutes and we only know that in between she called her mom on her cell telling her she was on the way home. 
She has to walk 4 houses to get home. 
The POI is "a bit" older that Elizabeth,
the body is 1/4 mile in the woods
Sunset that night was 6:21
She was scared of the dark




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:25:51 PM
Elizabeth Olten, Age 9, Murdered: Juvenile in Custody

Body Found in the Woods
A juvenile is in custody for the murder of Elizabeth Olten. Charges are pending. The teenager led police to Elizabeth's body in the woods near her home according to ConnectMidMissouri.

Anyone with information about the murder of Elizabeth Olten please call the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9100. The tipline to call in information is 1-866-362-6422 and anyone with information may also call America's Most Wanted at 1-800-CRIME-TV.

Elizabeth Olten, age 9, a fourth-grade student at Pioneer Trails Elementary School, has been murdered in Saint Martins, MO. She disappeared after leaving a friend's house at about 6:15 pm for a ¼ mile walk home according to CBS News. She is believed to have disappeared near the Hwy. 50 area according to America's Most Wanted. Saint Martins, west of Jefferson City, is a rural area in Missouri.

When last seen, Elizabeth Olten was wearing blue jeans, white sneakers, a t-shirt with butterflies, a pink sweater, and a pink scarf. She has brown hair and brown eyes. Elizabeth is 5'2 and weighs 108 pounds.

The Cole County Sheriff department was able to ping Elizabeth's cell phone Wednesday night after she disappeared. It was determined that her location then was in woods near her residence. The woods were then searched with thermal imaging radar and an on foot search was also done. When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her. .

The FBI was involved in the search for Elizabeth. A helicopter of the Missouri Highway Patrol has also been used in the search. An Amber Alert was not issued in this case.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2315665/elizabeth_olten_age_9_murdered_juvenile.html?cat=25



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 23, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Isn't it sad to know she was said to be afraid of the dark and the woods and that is where she died, poor girl.  ::MonkeyTears:: Its heartbreaking


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:34:15 PM

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:39:06 PM
Isn't it sad to know she was said to be afraid of the dark and the woods and that is where she died, poor girl.  ::MonkeyTears:: Its heartbreaking

That is what sticks out for me.  As it was another child that is the POI my thoughts are gravitating to someone she knew that asked her to go into the woods for whatever reason - to help find something perhaps?  Only way I could see a child "a bit older" getting her 5'2 108lb body 1/4 mile into the woods is if she walked there willingly and then something happened.  This POI lives west of St.  Martins so might have been visiting a friend or relative in one of those 4 houses  in between her house or the friends house.  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 23, 2009, 09:39:42 PM
...this poor family and the thought of Elizabeth being left in those woods by herself just tears me up.....I am beyond sad this week ...first Somer and now Elizabeth...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:40:41 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 23, 2009, 09:41:08 PM
Isn't it sad to know she was said to be afraid of the dark and the woods and that is where she died, poor girl.  ::MonkeyTears:: Its heartbreaking

That is what sticks out for me.  As it was another child that is the POI my thoughts are gravitating to someone she knew that asked her to go into the woods for whatever reason - to help find something perhaps?  Only way I could see a child "a bit older" getting her 5'2 108lb body 1/4 mile into the woods is if she walked there willingly and then something happened.  This POI lives west of St.  Martins so might have been visiting a friend or relative in one of those 4 houses  in between her house or the friends house.  JMO

I agree....she was probably coaxed into going into the woods with this person...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 23, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
Prayers for Elizabeth, her mom, family. Northern thanks for sticking to this case for us, you have done a tremendous job getting the links and the word out on her. God Bless. JSM  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 09:51:59 PM
Jefferson City Public Schools

Superintendent Brian Mitchell issued the following statement upon receiving news of Elizabeth Olten's death:
"We are deeply saddened by the events related to Elizabeth Olten's passing.  Our thoughts and prayers are with her family.  We will continue to concentrate all of our efforts in taking care of our students at Pioneer Trail Elementary School.  Next week we will have additional counselors available at the school and provide whatever support is needed for the students, their parents, and our own faculty and staff at Pioneer Trail."

http://www.jcps.k12.mo.us/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:03:24 PM
Please light a candle for Elizabeth

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Liz%20O


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 23, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
All those reports that there were only 4 houses in between were correct and she never had to cross the highway.  She could walk along the back of the houses by the woodline, or along the front yards and not have to step out on the highway.



Wow, that is scary when your child can't even walk four houses home without worry. ::MonkeyMad::

Especially in a nice rural place.  That really rocked my world as that is sort of what it looks like up here with the house and  big lot being 3/4 - 1 acre and woods behind.

I agree, such a false sense of security and I'm guilty of that OR was in the past........FTLOG I just realized she is in elementary school, so it's possible the suspect is too ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 10:10:44 PM
God, my heart is just absolutely broken.

I've got people on my facebook who never even comment when I post a missing or murdered child - they are commenting today.

is this what it's going to take to get the majority of America (those who are not like us) to wake up and get involved?

This is really, really bad.  Two little girls in one week - and only 100 non-family abductions ending in murder each year?  is 2009 going to be worse than the last years?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 23, 2009, 10:14:21 PM
Thank-you for all the updates.  RIP Elizabeth  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
All those reports that there were only 4 houses in between were correct and she never had to cross the highway.  She could walk along the back of the houses by the woodline, or along the front yards and not have to step out on the highway.



Wow, that is scary when your child can't even walk four houses home without worry. ::MonkeyMad::

Especially in a nice rural place.  That really rocked my world as that is sort of what it looks like up here with the house and  big lot being 3/4 - 1 acre and woods behind.

I agree, such a false sense of security and I'm guilty of that OR was in the past........FTLOG I just realized she is in elementary school, so it's possible the suspect is too ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::




Yes more than likely the POI is still in elementary school.  What a shame.  Two young lives destroyed.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:30:46 PM
Community Supports Grieving Family

ST. MARTINS - Hundreds crowded the VFW post Thursday and Friday to help look for Elizabeth Olten.

Even as the town's hope drained, supporters still scoured the town for any trace. Friday afternoon Olten's body was found. Soon after, the family started receiving sympathy from supporters around the area and far away.

A relative created a Facebook page that has now become a remembrance signed by more than 2,300 people.  http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=elizabeth+olten&init=quick#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=ss

St. Martins turned from a town praying for the best, to one mourning a loss and offering support as a community unified.

"I am very proud of the community for pulling together and showing support," Peggy Florence said. "When someone goes missing, this is what we need to do, we need to help one another."

Florence started the non-profit Missouri Missing in 2007 after her own daughter went missing. She has been at the side of the Olten family and says she'll continue to provide support for the grieving.

Onna Adrian, whose daughter-in-law was Olten's older sister, said she was overwhelmed by the community's support.

"It's wonderful, it's amazing what people will do when you've got a little kid missing and it doesn't matter whose kid it is," Adrian said. "People have showed up at the house asking, 'how can I help?'"

A juvenile the police are calling a "person of interest" is in custody. Cole County sheriffs will hold a press conference Saturday at 11 a.m. at the VFW post in St. Martins where they will have more details about the case.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/83673419-80ce-0971-0199-d270fe2b7791


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 23, 2009, 10:33:21 PM
good night everyone.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:35:06 PM
good night everyone.

Good Night and God Bless


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 23, 2009, 10:37:46 PM
My families farm is 460 acres...and at one time, we had 4 houses....3 doublewides and the family home.  We were all close but far enough, that I could see my brothers lights thru the woods.  I could see the top of my sisters house, and if I walked alittle up the hill I could see the back of my parents house.
I am bringing this up, because, if you dont live in the country, you might think something is so very far apart, when really, its not.
This person of interest is a neighborhood person, and what some may thing is a far distance, in country life is not.
My children and My nieces and nephews were never close to a road.
However we did network, everyone knew when someones child was on the move.

I HATE what has happened.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on October 23, 2009, 10:49:16 PM
Another senseless tragedy - it is so hard to understand.  Words escape me.  Good night Monkeys and God Bless Elizabeth.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2009, 10:50:49 PM
Good Night Everyone.  I am not sure what we will hear from the Sherriff tomorrow but feel it is not going to be tragic when all the facts come out.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 23, 2009, 10:56:06 PM
good nite all monkeys who are going to bed...
it has indeed been a tragic week....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 24, 2009, 12:43:17 AM
I've been wondering if someone hadnt been threatning Elizabeth,and maybe thats the note the person gave to the Sherriffs department, you know how Elementary Shcool kids pass notes back and forth, maybe this kid wrote either Elizabeth a note and she left it somewhere and this person took it to the cops or the suspect wrote the person that took it to Cops.........also I would like to say that my Friend has a son that at the age of 13 is 6ft3 and wieghs in at 208, so a child of around that age if built like her son could have defianaitly done this awful thing.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:06:14 AM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?v=feed&story_fbid=159281422799#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?v=wall



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:09:07 AM
Olten Death Investigation Continues
Person of interest, a local juvenile, in custody.Posted by Adam Forgie on Fri Oct 23, 2009

The family of Elizabeth Olten is speaking out about her death, and their grief.

We talked to Elizabeth's sister-in-law, Liza Adrian, who told us more about her personality, "She was a wonderful, happy, shy child. I never saw her argue with her mother, sister, or anyone. She was always helpful with taking care of my kids, and her sisters kids. She enjoyed going over to sleepover's with my niece."

Just before 3 p.m. Friday afternoon, investigators found Elizabeth's body deep in a wooded area. The area was near where the search started Wednesday afternoon when Elizabeth was first reported missing.

We don't know much about the person in custody, but authorities were able to tell us that it is an older juvenile, from the area, and the person knew Elizabeth.

Hundreds of volunteers spent the morning, and all day Thursday looking for Elizabeth.

We learned that authorities got their leads from written letters and other physical evidence.

That led them to the person of interest, who then led authorities to the body.

"Through some analysis of the evidence, in all honesty some written evidence, we were able to develop a person of interest," says Cole County Sheriff Greg White. "Once we reached that person, they ultimately led us to Elizabeth's body," he said.

Sheriff's deputies aren't saying the exact spot where her body was found.

"It was signifficantly away from the house, but where we started the search process, but it was back in that area very deeply," White said.

They also found Elizabeth's cell phone, which they pinged to help find her location.

They are saying too much about the suspect, because it is a juvenile. Deputies say they want to get the prosecutor involved so proper charges can be filed.

There is a way you can help the family, they have set up a fund:


Elizabeth Olten Memorial Fund

P.O. Box 1688

Jefferson City, MO 65109
 
http://kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15307


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2009, 08:27:55 AM
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091024/APA/910240515
Police find body of missing 9-year-old Mo. girl
Published: October 24, 2009 3:00 a.m.
ST. MARTINS, Mo. – The body of a missing 9-year-old girl was found in a wooded area near Missouri's capital city on Friday, two days after she was last seen walking from a neighbor's home, police said.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said a juvenile, described as a "suspect," was taken into custody. The juvenile was acquainted with the girl, Elizabeth Olten, White said.

The sheriff did not give any details on how Elizabeth died or about the juvenile in custody except to say that the person lived in the area west of Jefferson City and was older than the girl. Police said Elizabeth's body was found just before 3 p.m.
"We were able to obtain some physical evidence and through some analysis of some of the evidence and in all honesty some written evidence, we were able to develop a person of interest," White said. "Once we reached that person and interviewed them, ultimately they led us to where we've recovered Elizabeth's body."

Elizabeth, of St. Martins, was last seen when she started walking home from a neighbor's house on Wednesday evening, police have said.

White said had spoken with Elizabeth's mother and said the family is "deeply grieving."

"I'm a parent, and I know how I would feel. I would simply leave it to you that they are grieving," he said.

Elizabeth's family and friends have described her as a bashful fourth-grader - the youngest of five children - who loved cats but was afraid of the dark and would not normally have gone into the woods. Some of her family members had spent Friday making buttons with Elizabeth's photo, before learning of her death.

"She was a wonderful, happy, shy child. I never saw her argue with her mother, her sister or anyone," said Liza Adrian, the sister-in-law of Elizabeth's sister, who spoke on behalf of the family during a Friday night news conference.

Elizabeth's father, Dale Olten Sr., learned of her death while watching TV in prison, where he is serving a four-year sentence for drug possession, said family friend Nancy Hanks, who had aided in the search.
"On behalf of the Oltens, I guarantee they appreciate this community - all the outpouring of support - they worked hard" searching for Elizabeth, Hanks said.

Elizabeth's aunt, Vicki Olten, described her niece as an "angel" but declined further comment.

Earlier Friday, about 70 people had searched for Elizabeth on horseback, with all-terrain vehicles and on foot while another 70 investigators checked leads, White said. Several hundred people had joined the search Thursday despite a steady rain and rough terrain.

Police focused their search area after they figured out roughly where Elizabeth's phone was located. White said the phone was later found but declined to say if it had turned up evidence.

The Missouri State Highway Patrol searched by helicopter with thermal imaging radar, and the Missouri State Water Patrol checked ponds in the area with sonar.

Highway Patrol Superintendent Col. James Keathley said he wishes the outcome was better.

"It's been quite an ordeal for the last few days. There's a lot emotions involved in this. It's been tough on everybody involved in this case," Keathley said.

David Schulte, who lives nearby, said Elizabeth typically would walk through his front yard about 30 or 40 feet away from the road on her way back home from the friend's house. Schulte said he didn't know Elizabeth well but that she had come through the neighborhood to sell cookie dough for a school fundraiser.
Schulte, who had helped with the search, said the area around where the phone was transmitting signals was about one-quarter of a mile away from the county highway and in the middle of the woods. He said it is easy to get turned around and difficult to hold straight search lines because the terrain is all "ridges and valleys" along with brambles.

"You'd have to want to be back there," said Schulte, before police announced that Elizabeth's body had been found.

Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson did not immediately return a call seeking comment Friday.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2009, 09:27:15 AM
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/84895661-80ce-0971-014f-769393229931

Funds for Girl's Family

ST. MARTINS - The family of Elizabeth Olten asked for any donations to go toward one of two funds.

One is the Elizabeth Olten Memorial Fund, and the other is the Anthony Olten Education Fund.

Anthony is Olten's older brother. Elizabeth was the youngest of five children.

Family members said they remember her as a wonderful, happy little girl.

"Our family was deeply saddened this afternoon to hear about her passing. We would like the community to know that we are grateful for all your thoughts and prayers," Elizabeth's sister-in-law Liza Adrian said.

Adrian said Elizabeth was a shy child who loved sleep-overs and cared for her family very much.

Reported by: JoBeth Davis

Published: Friday, October 23, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Last Updated: Friday, October 23, 2009 at 10:55 PM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2009, 09:29:38 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  Weird.

Also, one of the articles posted above has a family member stating that Dale Olten (dad) is in prison for drug charges.  Why would they state that when he is in jail awaiting trial for slew of burglary and gun charges after a manhunt for him and his son last spring?



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 09:54:19 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  Weird.

Also, one of the articles posted above has a family member stating that Dale Olten (dad) is in prison for drug charges.  Why would they state that when he is in jail awaiting trial for slew of burglary and gun charges after a manhunt for him and his son last spring?


Well, I'm officially confused, the brother's education fund  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2009, 10:08:49 AM
BLOCKED WEBSITE

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/OltenFunds.jpg)

I'm shocked, I really am  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 10:19:09 AM
BLOCKED WEBSITE
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/OltenFunds.jpg)

I'm shocked, I really am  ::MonkeyShocked::
I am also, that doesn't make sense. None of this makes sense. Maybe with a press conference this morning things like this will be cleared up?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 24, 2009, 10:21:41 AM
BLOCKED WEBSITE

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/OltenFunds.jpg)

I'm shocked, I really am  ::MonkeyShocked::
 ::MonkeyEek:: I am shocked too Klaas. Have you in all your years of helping with missing children ever seen a "fund" thing set up for the missing child's sibling? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 10:22:15 AM
is there going to be a press conference this am, rose?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2009, 10:30:49 AM
JSM - no I haven't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jill - I'm not sure if they will be doing a press conference.  I hope so.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:32:48 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't understand it.  I have never seen that before.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:33:29 AM
JSM - no I haven't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jill - I'm not sure if they will be doing a press conference.  I hope so.

Presser was scheduled for 11am CST today.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 10:33:35 AM
is there going to be a press conference this am, rose?
Jill, I thought I had read that, I sure hope so, to think that such a young person did this to Elizabeth  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I mean I know that young people commit crimes, just so sickening.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 10:33:59 AM
JSM - no I haven't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jill - I'm not sure if they will be doing a press conference.  I hope so.

Presser was scheduled for 11am CST today.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 24, 2009, 10:35:46 AM
JSM - no I haven't  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jill - I'm not sure if they will be doing a press conference.  I hope so.
Thanks Klaas, I thought that would be the answer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2009, 10:37:15 AM
So sad to hear about Elizabeth.

Wanted to tell Northern Rose that the work she requested is ready.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:38:29 AM
ST. MARTINS — This little town west of Jefferson City got the news yesterday that everyone was dreading.

Information from a juvenile suspect led officials to the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten. The body was discovered in a wooded area off Route D, where an exhaustive search had been under way for more than two days involving hundreds of people on foot, ATVs and horseback.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said a juvenile was in custody in connection with the death. White described the suspect only as being older than Elizabeth and “an acquaintance.”

The sheriff released no details of how Elizabeth died. He said physical and written evidence helped authorities locate the juvenile who, after an interview, led them to the girl’s body. White said he spoke with Elizabeth’s mother, who is “deeply grieving.”

Missouri State Highway Patrol troopers last night blocked all foot and motor traffic from using a road near the Olten home. Authorities said the move was to prevent reporters or onlookers from disturbing the grieving family.

Two hours after the announcement, Elizabeth’s aunt, Vicki Olten of Russellville, stood outside the town’s VFW hall that had been the staging area for search-and-rescue efforts. She watched, her eyes full of tears, as rescue workers packed up equipment and prepared to leave. She said she had barely slept since getting news of her niece’s disappearance and had volunteered by serving meals donated by the American Red Cross.

“I couldn’t go out and look for her,” she said. “I was afraid of what I might find.”

She remembered Elizabeth as a tomboy who loved to swim in a nearby stream and could “give back as much as she could take” from the boys. She loved scary movies but hated the dark, she said. “She was just an angel,” Vicki Olten said.


Hundreds of volunteers spent long hours Thursday braving wind and rain to trudge up and down the steep ridges and valleys near the Olten home. Elizabeth was last seen about 6 p.m. Wednesday leaving a friend’s house to walk the quarter-mile distance home. A “ping” from her cell phone was traced to a nearby wooded area, leading search crews to concentrate their efforts on several hundred yards around the signal triangulation — efforts hindered when the phone’s battery died.

In the two days since Elizabeth’s disappearance, posters of the fourth-grader went up in most shop windows in the town of 1,100. St. Martins’ main thoroughfare has no stop lights and includes a Catholic school for grades K-8, a catfish restaurant and an archery supply store.

Amber Pearre, 23, the manager of Stacy’s Market and Grille on St. Martins Boulevard, said customers had been streaming into the store virtually non-stop since Thursday asking for information and, sometimes, spreading false rumors about the disappearance. Pearre took it upon herself to check news Web sites every hour to ensure she gave customers only reliable updates.

“It’s kind of hard to decide what’s true and what’s not with everything in and out here,” she said.

Pearre said that after it was confirmed yesterday the body had been found, people reacted in horror. “I’ve had a lot of people just kind of gasp,” she said.

Bobby Rackers, a security guard who took part in the search effort, said the entire town has been on edge. At Elston Acres Mobile Home Community, where he works, the owners yesterday instituted a policy requiring that everybody who comes inside the community first show identification.

“We just realized that with all the kids playing outside, this could be a Mecca for child killers or child molesters,” he said.

Rackers said Elizabeth was one of the children who visited the community and played with friends. He remembers her as outgoing, funny and even “mouthy” at times. “It brings it close to home because we all knew her,” he said. “There’s kids down there bawling their eyes out tonight.”

Elizabeth’s father, Dale “Bo” Olten Sr., learned of his daughter’s death while watching TV in the Northeast Correctional Center in Bowling Green, where he is serving a four-year sentence for drug possession. Elizabeth’s eldest brother, Dale Olten Jr., is serving a seven-year sentence at the same facility.

Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:39:14 AM
So sad to hear about Elizabeth.

Wanted to tell Northern Rose that the work she requested is ready.

Thank you Brandi you are a   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 10:39:44 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  Weird.

Also, one of the articles posted above has a family member stating that Dale Olten (dad) is in prison for drug charges.  Why would they state that when he is in jail awaiting trial for slew of burglary and gun charges after a manhunt for him and his son last spring?



this is weird....
is the education fund for the older brother the older brother that is in jail? Is the brother/son of Dale Olten Elizabeth's half brother, step brother or full brother? sorry...just confused as to why there would be an education fund for any brother .... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:41:16 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  Weird.

Also, one of the articles posted above has a family member stating that Dale Olten (dad) is in prison for drug charges.  Why would they state that when he is in jail awaiting trial for slew of burglary and gun charges after a manhunt for him and his son last spring?



He as well as Dale Jr are both serving 4 years for possession. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  Weird.

Also, one of the articles posted above has a family member stating that Dale Olten (dad) is in prison for drug charges.  Why would they state that when he is in jail awaiting trial for slew of burglary and gun charges after a manhunt for him and his son last spring?



this is weird....
is the education fund for the older brother the older brother that is in jail? Is the brother/son of Dale Olten Elizabeth's half brother, step brother or full brother? sorry...just confused as to why there would be an education fund for any brother .... ::MonkeyConfused::

errrrr...never mind...I re read the previous posts and got my answers....

still is weird asking for the brother's education fund if you ask me...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Missing on Oct 21 and by Oct 23 they already have 2 funds set up?   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why are we donating to the older brother's education fund?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree.  Weird.

Also, one of the articles posted above has a family member stating that Dale Olten (dad) is in prison for drug charges.  Why would they state that when he is in jail awaiting trial for slew of burglary and gun charges after a manhunt for him and his son last spring?



this is weird....
is the education fund for the older brother the older brother that is in jail? Is the brother/son of Dale Olten Elizabeth's half brother, step brother or full brother? sorry...just confused as to why there would be an education fund for any brother .... ::MonkeyConfused::

The older brother in Jail is Dale Olten JR.  I do not know if he is  a half brother or not.  Anthony Olten is not much older than Elizabeth.  I found his Myspace page last night by searching Anthony Olten.  His picture looks like Elizabeth and he has put RIP Elizabeth on it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 10:45:12 AM
thanks Klaas, Northern, Rose.

I was thinking that they certainly could've just had one fund and earmarked some of the funds for that for Anthony's education, if they wished.

MAYBE - some people in the community would prefer that the money does go straight to an education fund for the brother?  So that it can not be spent in other ways?

btw - one of the people speaking for the family - Nancy Hanks.  I have seen her described both as a "family friend", and also "an employee of Dale Olten, Senior's LAWYER".  She describes Dale Olten, Sr. in one news article as a "genuinely nice guy", or something like that. 

I'll go find it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 10:46:50 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 10:48:54 AM
thanks NORose....
how sad for her whole family...


I have seen in obits where family and friends are asked to donate to a child's education fund in lieu of flowers when a parent passes, but never for a sibling


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 10:50:09 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/

wonder if he will be allowed out of prison to attend the funeral?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 10:51:36 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/

wonder if he will be allowed out of prison to attend the funeral?
Good question, I don't know how things like that work.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
 I've seen cases where money was collected for a child's education fund but this has usually been because of the loss of a parent/bread winner and there are surviving young children.    Have the Olten's lost a source of income?  Elizabeth was a minor, and monies donated should be for her funeral expense and possibly for the family in a short term way, such as when the family isn't able to work (short term-not like Ron Cummings) clothing for the funeral or to help bring close relatives from out of town etc.  Wouldn't it be best if someone oversaw the account?  But as far as collecting money for another child's education in a family that a child has passed away-doesn't make sense to me.  JMHO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 10:56:32 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes, I agree with you...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2009, 10:58:06 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah....too bad he isn't helpless and heartbroken enough to say what he did with Jasmine Haslag :roll:


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
Brandi has used her talent and kindly made this beautiful picture .   ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/th_elizabeth.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:00:35 AM
I forgot to resize it.  Could I get some help please mods.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 11:02:21 AM
Brandi has used her talent and kindly made this beautiful picture .   ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/th_elizabeth.gif)


beautiful!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah....too bad he isn't helpless and heartbroken enough to say what he did with Jasmine Haslag :roll:

Yes you are so correct.  Interesting that Jasmine's mother Peggy Florence  has been with Elizabeth's mother Patti since Elizabeth has gone missing.  We were wondering why and last night in an article it stated that Peggy had set up Missouri Missing after Jasmine disappeared and helps families of all missing people now.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
By Newsdesk KRCG
Saturday, October 24, 2009 at 12:08 a.m.


JEFFERSON CITY -- Missouri Missing sent out the following news release in regards to the death of Elizabeth Olten.

"The members of Missouri Missing are deeply saddened by the tragic news of the death of Elizabeth Olten.

"The past 48 hours have been hard on the family, and while we of course prayed and hoped for Elizabeth to return home safely, we are thankful of the massive outpouring of the community and the number of volunteers who searched diligently despite poor weather conditions.

"Elizabeth’s family is in a state of shock at this time and are not prepared to speak with the media. However, Missouri Missing has been with them throughout this horrible tragedy and they are also appreciative of the support they have received.

"We ask that you please respect the family's privacy and allow them this time to grieve the loss of their loved one."

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367252


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah....too bad he isn't helpless and heartbroken enough to say what he did with Jasmine Haslag :roll:

Yes you are so correct.  Interesting that Jasmine's mother Peggy Florence  has been with Elizabeth's mother Patti since Elizabeth has gone missing.  We were wondering why and last night in an article it stated that Peggy had set up Missouri Missing after Jasmine disappeared and helps families of all missing people now.

are we thinking that Elizabeth's father directly murdered Jasmine or that it was a retaliation murder of some sort? 
If Jasmine's body was put in Lake of the Ozarks, it may never be found...that is a huge lake...and it is very very deep in some areas....lots of vacant woody land around it....isn't that where a foot was found? sounds so grisly and horrible...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 11:09:55 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah....too bad he isn't helpless and heartbroken enough to say what he did with Jasmine Haslag :roll:
I don't know really that much about that case, just read a little and if he did have something to do with Jasmine well than I would feel differently.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:14:45 AM
here it is:

"...Nancy Hanks, a family friend who works for the attorney who represented Dale Olten Sr., said the father feels helpless behind bars and desperately wanted to be part of the search for Elizabeth. “He’s actually a good person,” she said.

 ..."

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/
Thank-you, regardless of what the father did, I'm sure he feels helpless and heartbroken that his little girl was murdered  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah....too bad he isn't helpless and heartbroken enough to say what he did with Jasmine Haslag :roll:

Yes you are so correct.  Interesting that Jasmine's mother Peggy Florence  has been with Elizabeth's mother Patti since Elizabeth has gone missing.  We were wondering why and last night in an article it stated that Peggy had set up Missouri Missing after Jasmine disappeared and helps families of all missing people now.

are we thinking that Elizabeth's father directly murdered Jasmine or that it was a retaliation murder of some sort? 
If Jasmine's body was put in Lake of the Ozarks, it may never be found...that is a huge lake...and it is very very deep in some areas....lots of vacant woody land around it....isn't that where a foot was found? sounds so grisly and horrible...

Jasmine and Dale were both arrest for drugs and were out on bond, Jasmine was out on a $50,000 bond. On June 17th she called the father of her kids and spoke to him and her kids and told them  she would be picking the kids up the at noon the next day.  She was never seen since.  Her car was found in the opposite direction on a bridge with the plates taken off.  She was to have appeared in court for the drug hearing on June 18th.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
Thank-you Northern Rose, and Dale Sr they believe may have been responsible for Jasmine's disappearance?  And what a beautiful pic of Elizabeth, she was a very pretty little girl  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 11:18:31 AM
Norther - Jasmine's disappearance was two years ago?

So, she was already gone when Dale, Dale, and Jesse stole all those guns?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 11:20:23 AM
NORose - here's a myspace set up by Jasmine's mom:

http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:22:43 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 11:22:54 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:25:25 AM
Thank-you Northern Rose, and Dale Sr they believe may have been responsible for Jasmine's disappearance?  And what a beautiful pic of Elizabeth, she was a very pretty little girl  ::MonkeyAngel::

He is the suspect in her disappearance.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:27:13 AM
Norther - Jasmine's disappearance was two years ago?

So, she was already gone when Dale, Dale, and Jesse stole all those guns?

Jasmine was last heard from June 17, 2007.  I am not sure of the date on the guns article .


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:33:28 AM
AngieIf you Google KRCG Jefferson City (the local tv station), you will get some more updates. There is a fund for her funeral and to help with Anjomy's education. That is her brother, who's in the 8th grade. I know him, they used to be our neighbors and he's a year behind my son and they were friends. He is a sweet boy and te family has it really rough. Dad in prison, etc. Anyway, you can get details there, I'm sure, because they talked about the fund on tv.

Help find elizabeth Olten! UPDATE: For those of you who would like to make donations we are in the process of setting up two funds, you may make the check payable to The Elizabeth Olten Memorial Fund OR The Anthony Olten Education Fund. These donations may be sent to: Memorial... Fund c/o Missouri Missing, PO Box 1688, Jefferson City, MO 65109. Thank you all for your continued thoughts and prayers!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?v=photos&ref=mf......join#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?v=wall&ref=mf......join


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
NORose - here's a myspace set up by Jasmine's mom:

http://www.myspace.com/findjasmine
Thank-you


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:37:12 AM
I am not very good with facebook and the family has asked:
Help find elizabeth Olten! IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS ABSOLUTELY ANY PICTURES OF ELIZABETH OLTEN...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE POST THEM TO THIS WEBSITE!!!!

Could someone who knows how to post images on Facebook please post that picture that Brandi did on the facebook site.  Thank you!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?v=photos&ref=mf......join#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?v=wall&ref=mf......join


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 11:37:14 AM
Thank-you Northern Rose, and Dale Sr they believe may have been responsible for Jasmine's disappearance?  And what a beautiful pic of Elizabeth, she was a very pretty little girl  ::MonkeyAngel::

He is the suspect in her disappearance.
Thanks, when I made my post I was referring to the guns and drugs, not that this was right by any means. I certainly hope for Jasmine's mother and children an arrest will be made for her disappearance  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Cole County sheriff to discuss the slaying of Elizabeth Olten, 9

Cole County Sheriff Greg White will hold a news conference at 11 this morning in connection with the slaying of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.

No details of what White will discuss at the news conference were being released, a dispatcher at the sheriff's department said this morning. The news conference will be at the VFW in St. Martins, west of Jefferson City.

Elizabeth's body was found Friday after she disappeared Wednesday while walking from a neighbor's home.

A juvenile suspect is in custody, the sheriff said Friday.

http://www.kansascity.com/842/story/1527120.html#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 11:45:54 AM
i'm trying, trying, trying to find a link to the press conf.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:47:55 AM
KOMU Video on Demand
Funds for Girl's Family

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/3a01ced7-80ce-0971-0025-eeb9c669b672/84895661-80ce-0971-014f-769393229931


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:49:22 AM
i'm trying, trying, trying to find a link to the press conf.

I have yet to find one for any of the pressers.  Was hoping that one of the stations would be streaming it this morning.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 11:50:13 AM
check out this comment:

"Tailgunnerjoe says...
Even sadder is the fact that the juvenile being held is a female. What goes through the "brains" of kids today is beyond my level of understanding."


http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/?news#comments


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 11:53:16 AM
KRCG:

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/

Columbia Tribune:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/

KOMU, Channel 8:

http://www.komu.com//satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/61f5f746-80ce-0971-019d-8500acdc7d96


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:57:40 AM
check out this comment:

"Tailgunnerjoe says...
Even sadder is the fact that the juvenile being held is a female. What goes through the "brains" of kids today is beyond my level of understanding."


http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/?news#comments

No Rose had found someone on two sites last night claiming it was a 15 year old girl.  All the news that have made comment have only stated that a boy was in custody.  We will find out the truth at some point.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 12:05:30 PM
so, does not being able to find the press conf. online mean that not one news source showed up at the VFW this morning?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
check out this comment:

"Tailgunnerjoe says...
Even sadder is the fact that the juvenile being held is a female. What goes through the "brains" of kids today is beyond my level of understanding."


http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/?news#comments
I wonder if this is the same person who popped up on WS and In Session forum yesterday saying it was a girl?  ::MonkeyConfused::  I thought it was a boy? Regardless, boy or girl how horrific.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 12:10:35 PM
so, does not being able to find the press conf. online mean that not one news source showed up at the VFW this morning?

They have all been there, but none have steamed any of the conferences yet.  They usually update their sites after the conference.  They may need to talk to Murt about his van.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
check out this comment:

"Tailgunnerjoe says...
Even sadder is the fact that the juvenile being held is a female. What goes through the "brains" of kids today is beyond my level of understanding."


http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/body-of-st-martins-girl-recovered-from-woods/?news#comments

No Rose had found someone on two sites last night claiming it was a 15 year old girl.  All the news that have made comment have only stated that a boy was in custody.  We will find out the truth at some point.
   ::MonkeyConfused::  I wondered yesterday if the person who was saying that it was a girl, was just causing trouble?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
so, does not being able to find the press conf. online mean that not one news source showed up at the VFW this morning?

They have all been there, but none have steamed any of the conferences yet.  They usually update their sites after the conference.  They may need to talk to Murt about his van.

haha!  you got THAT right.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
so, does not being able to find the press conf. online mean that not one news source showed up at the VFW this morning?

They have all been there, but none have steamed any of the conferences yet.  They usually update their sites after the conference.  They may need to talk to Murt about his van.
    ::MonkeyEek:: That's all we need


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
KOMU which has a stream is showing a church.  Last time they were showing traffic.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/acc5f19e-80ce-0971-01f4-55ed559132e2


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
Locals are not liking the education fund:

Question
Posted by Linda Tisdale, Holts Summit, MO - Saturday, October 24, 2009 at 9:08 a.m.
 
First of all, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to the mother and other concerned members of the family on the loss of Elizabeth. I noticed that two funds had been set up for the family. One is for a memorial for Elizabeth to which I would gladly contribute. The other, however, is an educational fund for her older brother. First of all, is this the same brother that was arrested with his father in April for the string of burglaries in Eugene and surrounding areas? If so, why in the world would anyone ask for or donate to an education fund? Usually, when an education fund is set up it is because the parent is dead and they leave behind children. This request for donations to a brothers education fund sounds to me like someone is trying to gain from the tragic death of this child.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366189


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 12:24:12 PM
to much confusion, rumor, and missing pieces to the puzzle of this family.

Someone needs to set the story straight to the public.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 12:30:39 PM
ok, now this is really weird - the comments with TailGunnerJoe's assertion it's a female suspect are GONE from that article at the ColumbieTribune.

what's going on? 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
ok, now this is really weird - the comments with TailGunnerJoe's assertion it's a female suspect are GONE from that article at the ColumbieTribune.

what's going on? 
   ::MonkeyEek::  And I'm going to bet money that is the same person that appeared on the other two forums, the one and only post on WS was girl-15. There must be a very good reason for that comment to have disappeared, LE just may not want the sex of the perp out there, why, now that I wouldn't know.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 12:55:17 PM
From Twitter

laddegan: Saturday press conference update: Sheriff says 15 juvenile has been charged with first degree murder in death of 9 year old Elizabeth Olten.

http://twitter.com/#search?q=olten


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 12:58:47 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2009, 01:08:06 PM
Thanks,NorthernRose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
Thanks, so it is a 15 year old, now why in the world would it matter to say if the person is a girl or a boy? I'll bet it is a girl, and that person was right yesterday  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 01:12:16 PM
thanks, Northern.

So now I want to know what happened to cause Elizabeth's friend's grandpa to send her home at 6:15 pm, and is this 15 year old suspect a member of that family?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 01:15:39 PM
Thanks, so it is a 15 year old, now why in the world would it matter to say if the person is a girl or a boy? I'll bet it is a girl, and that person was right yesterday  ::MonkeyConfused::

That could be or the person that posted on the facebook saying it was a boy from her son's class.  One has to be right.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 01:16:35 PM
thanks, Northern.

So now I want to know what happened to cause Elizabeth's friend's grandpa to send her home at 6:15 pm, and is this 15 year old suspect a member of that family?

Because of the short window of time it has to be someone connected to one of the 5 houses between her walk home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 01:17:40 PM
15-year-old charged with murder of Mo. girl
(AP) – 8 minutes ago

ST. MARTINS, Mo. — Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of 9-year-old girl in central Missouri.

Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty (koo-TEE') said Saturday that the 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen's gender or name.

Elizabeth's body was found Friday — two days after she went missing — after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City. Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

White said Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iL2APTMLoOIa6NBqXxEd_DKqAkDQD9BHJ98O1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:17:50 PM
thanks, Northern.

So now I want to know what happened to cause Elizabeth's friend's grandpa to send her home at 6:15 pm, and is this 15 year old suspect a member of that family?
I don't know, but could Elizabeth have followed the person into the woods, I'm having a hard time imagining a 15 year old killing her and then dragging her body to where he/she hid her. And to hide her so well that the area had been searched twice.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 01:20:44 PM
First-degree murder charge sought in slaying of Elizabeth Olten, 9

Authorities are seeking a first-degree murder charge against a teenager in connection with the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten, whose body was found Friday afternoon, the Jefferson City News Tribune is reporting.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White held a news conference this morning at the VFW in St. Martins, west of Jefferson City, in connection with the case.

Elizabeth's body was found Friday after she disappeared Wednesday while walking from a neighbor's home.

The juvenile suspect is in custody, the sheriff said Friday.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1527120.html#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:26:42 PM
Thanks, first degree murder charges on a 15 year old, wonder how the person will be charged as far as an adult or as a juvenile?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
Thanks, so it is a 15 year old, now why in the world would it matter to say if the person is a girl or a boy? I'll bet it is a girl, and that person was right yesterday  ::MonkeyConfused::

That could be or the person that posted on the facebook saying it was a boy from her son's class.  One has to be right.
Yes


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 24, 2009, 01:30:48 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:35:11 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?
  That's what I wondered, that is a beautiful home. I just don't get it, male or female, it was horrible either way, they must have a reason.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2009, 01:35:14 PM
Hi Monkeys! I'm listening to reports. Wow, a 15 year old!

O/T
For those of you following the missing Virginia Tech student, Morgan Harrington, there's news. They've closed down access to a hotel where there are reports of her being spotted.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
Hi Monkeys! I'm listening to reports. Wow, a 15 year old!

O/T
For those of you following the missing Virginia Tech student, Morgan Harrington, there's news. They've closed down access to a hotel where there are reports of her being spotted.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 01:40:05 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Yes that home looks very new which would explain why you can only see it on streetview.  The "letters" that were handed to police had me thinking it was a girl.  How many boys write letters as compared to girls or am I out of touch?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 01:45:40 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Yes that home looks very new which would explain why you can only see it on streetview.  The "letters" that were handed to police had me thinking it was a girl.  How many boys write letters as compared to girls or am I out of touch?
You are right, girls are the ones that write letters and in their journals, not that boys don't, but in my experience girls like to write things down, good catch.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 01:45:45 PM
I must've missed the photos of a home - is it the home of the suspect?

also, didn't the person on facebook say that it was a 6th grader that was supposedly arrested yesterday?  I think kids in six grade would be around 11-12 years old, wouldn't they?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 01:51:17 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 01:53:37 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling...

eerr obviously I need to stop posting for a while....or go have a stiff mimosa!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
I must've missed the photos of a home - is it the home of the suspect?

also, didn't the person on facebook say that it was a 6th grader that was supposedly arrested yesterday?  I think kids in six grade would be around 11-12 years old, wouldn't they?

The home of the friend she was at.  Can only be seen on Streetview.  I think you are right about the facebook post. 15 would make them grade 8 or 9 I would think.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:13:15 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....

So sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope you are doing better.  They said 15 year old lived west of Saint Martins.  IMO they were either visiting as a friend, relative such as cousin or from a split marriage where one parent lives around there.  I still strongly believe they are connected to one of the five house that she walked from/past.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 24, 2009, 02:21:21 PM
15 years old and first degree murder? My god that leaves me speechless.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....

So sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope you are doing better.  They said 15 year old lived west of Saint Martins.  IMO they were either visiting as a friend, relative such as cousin or from a split marriage where one parent lives around there.  I still strongly believe they are connected to one of the five house that she walked from/past.

Hi NR...I didn't have an accident...but saw one happen got out to help and a young man died in my arms...it shook me to my bones....

I agree with the connection to one of the five houses.....that does not seem to be an area that anyone would be in without a reason.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 24, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....

So sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope you are doing better.  They said 15 year old lived west of Saint Martins.  IMO they were either visiting as a friend, relative such as cousin or from a split marriage where one parent lives around there.  I still strongly believe they are connected to one of the five house that she walked from/past.

Hi NR...I didn't have an accident...but saw one happen got out to help and a young man died in my arms...it shook me to my bones....

I agree with the connection to one of the five houses.....that does not seem to be an area that anyone would be in without a reason.
SUNNY, I am sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience. That you would go to the aid of someone like that shows what a good hearted person you really are.  :smt056
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
Police Charge 15 Year Old With Murder Of Cole County, MO Girl
Elizabeth Olten's Body Was Found In A Wooded Area Friday

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old girl in central Missouri. Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Saturday that the 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen's gender or name. Elizabeth's body was found Friday, two days after she went missing, after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

White said Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-teen-charged-murder-elizabeth-olten-102409,0,7690864.story


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:36:39 PM
Olten Death Investigation Continues
Person of interest, a local juvenile, in custody.50 min ago - Petition Filed: Teen Committed 1st Degree Murder

Authorities announced Saturday that the juvenile system filed a petition Friday with the Cole Co. Family Court that a 15 year old committed offensive murder in the first degree of Elizabeth Olten.  Posted by Erica Nochlin


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15307
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....
I sure hope you are okay, and I do know what you mean about having to walk away for awhile from all this. We sure do think alike because I have some hinky feelings as well. This isn't adding up to me, the only thing I can figure is the perp and Elizabeth walked into the woods together, now for what reason I don't know. And this 15 year old sure must have known the woods pretty well to hide her so good. I wonder if the perp had this planned out for awhile? I can't believe that people in that area haven't been saying the name of the teen, but then again, because of the age, I'm not sure if forums such as here can put the name out even if someone knows it  ::MonkeyConfused:: All such a dirty shame.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:38:40 PM

SUNNY, I am sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience. That you would go to the aid of someone like that shows what a good hearted person you really are.  :smt056
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Fanny, it was one of those knee jerk reactions...had I stopped to think about it I might not have done it. There were many people who stopped.....it was a bad accident....why in the heck won't people slow down when it's raining? A young life gone in an instant, becasue someone didn't hve the sense to slow down!!  I just happened to be coming from Kohl's and had a bag full of new white towels.....

And these 2 little girls murdered in 2 days....it shakes ones faith a bit.  Or it did mine. I had to step back and regain some faith in believing that we are not in control....no matter what.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 02:40:39 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....

So sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope you are doing better.  They said 15 year old lived west of Saint Martins.  IMO they were either visiting as a friend, relative such as cousin or from a split marriage where one parent lives around there.  I still strongly believe they are connected to one of the five house that she walked from/past.

Hi NR...I didn't have an accident...but saw one happen got out to help and a young man died in my arms...it shook me to my bones....

I agree with the connection to one of the five houses.....that does not seem to be an area that anyone would be in without a reason.
Sunny, I have no words, my thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel:: I'm very sorry.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:40:50 PM
Police Charge 15 Year Old With Murder Of Cole County, MO Girl
Elizabeth Olten's Body Was Found In A Wooded Area Friday

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old girl in central Missouri. Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Saturday that the 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen's gender or name. Elizabeth's body was found Friday, two days after she went missing, after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

White said Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-teen-charged-murder-elizabeth-olten-102409,0,7690864.story

I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:42:08 PM
Olten Death Investigation Continues
Person of interest, a local juvenile, in custody.50 min ago - Petition Filed: Teen Committed 1st Degree Murder

Authorities announced Saturday that the juvenile system filed a petition Friday with the Cole Co. Family Court that a 15 year old committed offensive murder in the first degree of Elizabeth Olten.  Posted by Erica Nochlin


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15307

I hope this person is charged as an adult.....first degree murder IMO is an adult offense.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 24, 2009, 02:44:51 PM
Police Charge 15 Year Old With Murder Of Cole County, MO Girl
Elizabeth Olten's Body Was Found In A Wooded Area Friday

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old girl in central Missouri. Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Saturday that the 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen's gender or name. Elizabeth's body was found Friday, two days after she went missing, after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

White said Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-teen-charged-murder-elizabeth-olten-102409,0,7690864.story

I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

I think she must have been concealed in a deep crevice or a small concealed cave, just what I think. I'm thinking the cell phone was with her too, but again, just what it appears to me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 02:45:09 PM

SUNNY, I am sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience. That you would go to the aid of someone like that shows what a good hearted person you really are.  :smt056
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Fanny, it was one of those knee jerk reactions...had I stopped to think about it I might not have done it. There were many people who stopped.....it was a bad accident....why in the heck won't people slow down when it's raining? A young life gone in an instant, becasue someone didn't hve the sense to slow down!!  I just happened to be coming from Kohl's and had a bag full of new white towels.....

And these 2 little girls murdered in 2 days....it shakes ones faith a bit.  Or it did mine. I had to step back and regain some faith in believing that we are not in control....no matter what.
   ::MonkeyAngel::  I have a very bad time understanding how one can be out and about happy, and the next minute you can be gone just like that. I guess it is life, just something that sends chills through me when I think about it. I wish people would slow down period and stop talking on their phones, it is bad here where I live, and you just know that one of these maniacs is going to run over a kid in the neighborhood, because of their ignorance  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Please take care, and a mimosa does sound good  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:45:58 PM
Police Charge 15 Year Old With Murder Of Cole County, MO Girl
Elizabeth Olten's Body Was Found In A Wooded Area Friday

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old girl in central Missouri. Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Saturday that the 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen's gender or name. Elizabeth's body was found Friday, two days after she went missing, after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

White said Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-teen-charged-murder-elizabeth-olten-102409,0,7690864.story

I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

An article last night stated her cell was with her body.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
Olten Death Investigation Continues
Person of interest, a local juvenile, in custody.50 min ago - Petition Filed: Teen Committed 1st Degree Murder

Authorities announced Saturday that the juvenile system filed a petition Friday with the Cole Co. Family Court that a 15 year old committed offensive murder in the first degree of Elizabeth Olten.  Posted by Erica Nochlin


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15307

I hope this person is charged as an adult.....first degree murder IMO is an adult offense.
Me too, and how would they punish you if it is first degree murder as a juvenile?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:46:21 PM

I sure hope you are okay, and I do know what you mean about having to walk away for awhile from all this. We sure do think alike because I have some hinky feelings as well. This isn't adding up to me, the only thing I can figure is the perp and Elizabeth walked into the woods together, now for what reason I don't know. And this 15 year old sure must have known the woods pretty well to hide her so good. I wonder if the perp had this planned out for awhile? I can't believe that people in that area haven't been saying the name of the teen, but then again, because of the age, I'm not sure if forums such as here can put the name out even if someone knows it  ::MonkeyConfused:: All such a dirty shame.
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I am fine...I just had to regroup...I have been reading both threads and checking in at Caylee's and I think I was on emotion overload. We do think alike often. You know what is said about great minds ::MonkeyDevil:: I can see authorities not revealing the name...but the sex??  and that is a small community....I have to think that the whole or at least most of the community know by now....and no one is talking?  Too strange!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 02:48:59 PM
Police Charge 15 Year Old With Murder Of Cole County, MO Girl
Elizabeth Olten's Body Was Found In A Wooded Area Friday

ST. MARTINS, Mo. (AP) - Authorities have charged a 15-year-old with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old girl in central Missouri. Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Saturday that the 15-year-old is being detained for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Police did not release the teen's gender or name. Elizabeth's body was found Friday, two days after she went missing, after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

White said Elizabeth was acquainted with the suspect but declined to elaborate.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-teen-charged-murder-elizabeth-olten-102409,0,7690864.story

I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

I think she must have been concealed in a deep crevice or a small concealed cave, just what I think. I'm thinking the cell phone was with her too, but again, just what it appears to me.


I know the searchers said the terrain was hilly and had high grass  and to go back there you really wanted to be there. I was not aware that that area has caves but that sure would make sense.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 02:50:14 PM

SUNNY, I am sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience. That you would go to the aid of someone like that shows what a good hearted person you really are.  :smt056
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Fanny, it was one of those knee jerk reactions...had I stopped to think about it I might not have done it. There were many people who stopped.....it was a bad accident....why in the heck won't people slow down when it's raining? A young life gone in an instant, becasue someone didn't hve the sense to slow down!!  I just happened to be coming from Kohl's and had a bag full of new white towels.....

And these 2 little girls murdered in 2 days....it shakes ones faith a bit.  Or it did mine. I had to step back and regain some faith in believing that we are not in control....no matter what.

I'm torn between expressing horror at what you went through, and thanking God that you were there to help him when he needed you.

hugs, Sunny.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
Sunny, I have no words, my thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel:: I'm very sorry.

thanks.....I can only think God put me there so he didn't die alone. ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
I must've missed the photos of a home - is it the home of the suspect?

also, didn't the person on facebook say that it was a 6th grader that was supposedly arrested yesterday?  I think kids in six grade would be around 11-12 years old, wouldn't they?

The home of the friend she was at.  Can only be seen on Streetview.  I think you are right about the facebook post. 15 would make them grade 8 or 9 I would think.

thank you, Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 02:53:02 PM
Northern Rose - are there street numbers?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:53:36 PM


I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

I think she must have been concealed in a deep crevice or a small concealed cave, just what I think. I'm thinking the cell phone was with her too, but again, just what it appears to me.

IT's fall here for sure.....we live about 30 miles out of St. Louis and the leaves are falling like crazy.....it's the same in that area as well. So there would be plenty of folliage to cover her if she had been in a culvert...especially since the area had been searched twice.  Thanks about the cell phone.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 02:53:38 PM

I sure hope you are okay, and I do know what you mean about having to walk away for awhile from all this. We sure do think alike because I have some hinky feelings as well. This isn't adding up to me, the only thing I can figure is the perp and Elizabeth walked into the woods together, now for what reason I don't know. And this 15 year old sure must have known the woods pretty well to hide her so good. I wonder if the perp had this planned out for awhile? I can't believe that people in that area haven't been saying the name of the teen, but then again, because of the age, I'm not sure if forums such as here can put the name out even if someone knows it  ::MonkeyConfused:: All such a dirty shame.

I am fine...I just had to regroup...I have been reading both threads and checking in at Caylee's and I think I was on emotion overload. We do think alike often. You know what is said about great minds ::MonkeyDevil:: I can see authorities not revealing the name...but the sex??  and that is a small community....I have to think that the whole or at least most of the community know by now....and no one is talking?  Too strange!!
[/quote]   ::MonkeyDevil::  Why would the sex of the person matter? That picture of the house that Elizabeth left from that Northern posted is beautiful, could the perp be a relative of the homeowners, and perhaps be somekind of bigwig in the community, and that is why nobody is talking? Talk of the town is this crime, you can be certain of, so I don't get it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:56:14 PM

SUNNY, I am sorry you had to go through such a traumatic experience. That you would go to the aid of someone like that shows what a good hearted person you really are.  :smt056
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Fanny, it was one of those knee jerk reactions...had I stopped to think about it I might not have done it. There were many people who stopped.....it was a bad accident....why in the heck won't people slow down when it's raining? A young life gone in an instant, becasue someone didn't hve the sense to slow down!!  I just happened to be coming from Kohl's and had a bag full of new white towels.....

And these 2 little girls murdered in 2 days....it shakes ones faith a bit.  Or it did mine. I had to step back and regain some faith in believing that we are not in control....no matter what.
   ::MonkeyAngel::  I have a very bad time understanding how one can be out and about happy, and the next minute you can be gone just like that. I guess it is life, just something that sends chills through me when I think about it. I wish people would slow down period and stop talking on their phones, it is bad here where I live, and you just know that one of these maniacs is going to run over a kid in the neighborhood, because of their ignorance  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Please take care, and a mimosa does sound good  ::MonkeyCool::

 I am fine......and I didn't have the mimosa!  LOL  Authorities are really cracking down on people talking on cell phones in  our area. I usually forget to take mine ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 02:57:49 PM


I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

An article last night stated her cell was with her body.

Thanks NR....and I read why this case grabbed you so much.... :smt058


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 03:02:48 PM
Olten Death Investigation Continues
Person of interest, a local juvenile, in custody.50 min ago - Petition Filed: Teen Committed 1st Degree Murder

Authorities announced Saturday that the juvenile system filed a petition Friday with the Cole Co. Family Court that a 15 year old committed offensive murder in the first degree of Elizabeth Olten.  Posted by Erica Nochlin


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15307

I hope this person is charged as an adult.....first degree murder IMO is an adult offense.
Me too, and how would they punish you if it is first degree murder as a juvenile?

LWOP?? Does anyone remember the name of the redheaded boy that killed another little boy? I can see his face...redhair, big glasses?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 03:07:12 PM

Fanny, it was one of those knee jerk reactions...had I stopped to think about it I might not have done it. There were many people who stopped.....it was a bad accident....why in the heck won't people slow down when it's raining? A young life gone in an instant, becasue someone didn't hve the sense to slow down!!  I just happened to be coming from Kohl's and had a bag full of new white towels.....

And these 2 little girls murdered in 2 days....it shakes ones faith a bit.  Or it did mine. I had to step back and regain some faith in believing that we are not in control....no matter what.

I'm torn between expressing horror at what you went through, and thanking God that you were there to help him when he needed you.

hugs, Sunny.

thanks jill...but usually I have faith that we are where we are supposed to be at any given time....lots of times it's not where we would chose to be...I think that was one of those times.....some others that stopped were hysterical and of no help....to any of the victims or themselves..when the first police car got there they took control and got everyone except those of us with the victims to move along..I would have gladly moved with them if I could have. 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
  Why would the sex of the person matter? That picture of the house that Elizabeth left from that Northern posted is beautiful, could the perp be a relative of the homeowners, and perhaps be somekind of bigwig in the community, and that is why nobody is talking? Talk of the town is this crime, you can be certain of, so I don't get it.

That's along the lines I was thinking. Perhaps this 15yo was at the house and perhaps they got into an argument or confrontation of some sort......and he/she followed her or cut her off or something.  There is a reason they are not releasing any info....and a reason why the community is not talking (JMO)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 03:12:11 PM
  Why would the sex of the person matter? That picture of the house that Elizabeth left from that Northern posted is beautiful, could the perp be a relative of the homeowners, and perhaps be somekind of bigwig in the community, and that is why nobody is talking? Talk of the town is this crime, you can be certain of, so I don't get it.

That's along the lines I was thinking. Perhaps this 15yo was at the house and perhaps they got into an argument or confrontation of some sort......and he/she followed her or cut her off or something.  There is a reason they are not releasing any info....and a reason why the community is not talking (JMO)
  I was just reading at WS and found this post to be very interesting, I have no idea whether true or not   ::MonkeyEek::      Originally Posted by crimecurious 
Hi, this is my first post. I haven't been on here in years.

Anyway, I've been following this case closely. And I'd like to pass info that is only RUMORS at this time, I live about 3 miles from the scene.

1) I was reading the local newspaper's forums yesterday and a poster said that it was an older sister of one of Elizabeth's friends who said she "wanted to see what it was like to see someone die". The post was quickly removed. It was about the same time yesterday that the person on here sent the message "15yo girl"

2) It was a girl known for being the school bully who was several grades behind.

3) It was a former teenage babysitter of Elizabeth. Not stated as M or F.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
  Why would the sex of the person matter? That picture of the house that Elizabeth left from that Northern posted is beautiful, could the perp be a relative of the homeowners, and perhaps be somekind of bigwig in the community, and that is why nobody is talking? Talk of the town is this crime, you can be certain of, so I don't get it.

That's along the lines I was thinking. Perhaps this 15yo was at the house and perhaps they got into an argument or confrontation of some sort......and he/she followed her or cut her off or something.  There is a reason they are not releasing any info....and a reason why the community is not talking (JMO)
  I was just reading at WS and found this post to be very interesting, I have no idea whether true or not   ::MonkeyEek::      Originally Posted by crimecurious 
Hi, this is my first post. I haven't been on here in years.

Anyway, I've been following this case closely. And I'd like to pass info that is only RUMORS at this time, I live about 3 miles from the scene.

1) I was reading the local newspaper's forums yesterday and a poster said that it was an older sister of one of Elizabeth's friends who said she "wanted to see what it was like to see someone die". The post was quickly removed. It was about the same time yesterday that the person on here sent the message "15yo girl"

2) It was a girl known for being the school bully who was several grades behind.

3) It was a former teenage babysitter of Elizabeth. Not stated as M or F.

Thanks nrcg......that is interesting.....if this 'girl' was at one of those houses I guess it could be true, huh


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 03:18:19 PM
What I'm finding very weird on different forums and comments, some are saying it is a boy, and some are saying it is a girl. I don't think I've ever seen such confusion about the sex of a perp before  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 03:24:40 PM
 Why would the sex of the person matter? That picture of the house that Elizabeth left from that Northern posted is beautiful, could the perp be a relative of the homeowners, and perhaps be somekind of bigwig in the community, and that is why nobody is talking? Talk of the town is this crime, you can be certain of, so I don't get it.

That's along the lines I was thinking. Perhaps this 15yo was at the house and perhaps they got into an argument or confrontation of some sort......and he/she followed her or cut her off or something.  There is a reason they are not releasing any info....and a reason why the community is not talking (JMO)


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 03:26:43 PM
Thanks Northern Rose


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 03:29:35 PM


I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

An article last night stated her cell was with her body.

Thanks NR....and I read why this case grabbed you so much.... :smt058

Each case has a different meaning and this one has really called out to me.  I am so glad that there was someone with that young person to give him comfort in his last moments.  God does put us in places for a reason.  At the corner of our road last summer there was a big accident. I went running out to help the young person who was obviously in shock.  Called another neighbour from my cell to bring towels, water and ice till the ambulance got there.  She was only worried about her mom being really bad and that her dad got laid off as she was wandering in the middle of the highway.  Her Dad gets there and we used to work together years back.  No clue this was his daughter till he got to the scene.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 03:35:16 PM

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/830d1a67-80ce-0971-00cb-8a9296abae88

COLE COUNTY - The Cole County Sheriff reports a 15-year-old juvenile is charged with murder in the first degree for the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.

Investigators said written and physical evidence led them to the suspect, who then willingly took them to the body Friday afternoon located within the search area.The sheriff said the body was well-concealed.

It is pending whether the juvenile will be charged in juvenile or adult court. The sheriff said the suspect is not a member of the family, but is an acquaintance.

Searchers also found Olten's cell phone near the body.

Medical examiners performed an autopsy on the body today, however results will not be know for a few weeks.

The sheriff said he felt blessed and pleased about the community support and law enforcement effort.


Reported by: Christina Millweard
Reported by: Kevin Lewis
Posted by: Jena Pike

Published: Friday, October 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Last Updated: Saturday, October 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 03:38:45 PM
I'm tooling around on the Cole County Assesor's property locator and frankly, this area is really pretty with what seem to me to be nice homes.

Some VERY nice homes with more modest homes interspersed.

I'm not getting why I've seen comments from people who supposedly live in the area stating that it's a terrible area for a kid to walk alone. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 03:42:41 PM


I am perplexed as to why the officials are not even saying the sex of the juvenile?  And her body was well hidden.....how far from where her cell phone was found?

An article last night stated her cell was with her body.

Thanks NR....and I read why this case grabbed you so much.... :smt058

Each case has a different meaning and this one has really called out to me.  I am so glad that there was someone with that young person to give him comfort in his last moments.  God does put us in places for a reason.  At the corner of our road last summer there was a big accident. I went running out to help the young person who was obviously in shock.  Called another neighbour from my cell to bring towels, water and ice till the ambulance got there.  She was only worried about her mom being really bad and that her dad got laid off as she was wandering in the middle of the highway.  Her Dad gets there and we used to work together years back.  No clue this was his daughter till he got to the scene.

I hope she wasn't badly hurt and recuperated?   I am sure her father was very grateful you were there


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 03:43:50 PM
15-year-old charged with murder of Mo. girl

ST. MARTINS, Mo. — Juvenile authorities said Saturday that a 15-year-old has been charged with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old central Missouri girl found in the woods two days after she went missing.

Police did not release the teen's gender or name and provided few other details about the person suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten. Cole County Sheriff Greg White has said the teenage suspect is not related to Elizabeth but was acquainted with her and is from the same area just west of Jefferson City.

Several hundred people braved soaking rain and cold weather to search a heavily wooded area near Elizabeth's home after she was reported missing Wednesday evening. Police found Elizabeth's body Friday afternoon after the suspect led them to a wooded area several hundred yards from her St. Martins house, White said.

"We had been in that area — actually more than once. The body was very well concealed," said White, who would not say whether police believed Elizabeth had been killed there.

Under Missouri law, children as young as 12 can be charged as adults with first-degree murder. But the case must start in the juvenile court system while a hearing is held on whether to transfer it to an adult court. Juvenile court records generally are closed under Missouri law unless a judge grants an exception.

Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said the suspect was in the custody of the juvenile justice system and would undergo a background and psychological check. Couty planned to request a hearing next week before a family court judge to determine whether the suspect should be tried as a juvenile or as an adult. That hearing would be closed to the public.


Police initially had said Elizabeth was last seen walking home from a neighbor's house on Wednesday night. White said that timeline was developed through interviews.

But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

An autopsy was being conducted Saturday to determine the time and cause of death.

Police would not say Saturday whether there had been a confession, nor would they describe the teen's demeanor or offer more details about written documents that led them to the suspect. White also declined to say whether calls had been made from Elizabeth's cell phone, which was found "very, very close" to her.

Police narrowed the primary search area after tracing the phone's general location, but the phone's battery had died by Thursday morning.

The Olten family has received help since Elizabeth's disappearance from Missouri Missing, a group that highlights missing-person cases and provides emergency aid to families. Group spokeswoman Ra'Vae Edwards relayed a request for comment Saturday to Elizabeth's family.

"They don't have anything to say right now other than they're working on arrangements for the funeral," Edwards said, "And they wanted to thank the community for their support and prayers."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6684211.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 03:51:13 PM
But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

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Very strange that he would not comment that Elizabeth met up with this person as she started walking home.  Could it be that this person offered to walk her home from the house she was at before she started the walk?  This really is sending off my hinky meter


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
I'm tooling around on the Cole County Assesor's property locator and frankly, this area is really pretty with what seem to me to be nice homes.

Some VERY nice homes with more modest homes interspersed.

I'm not getting why I've seen comments from people who supposedly live in the area stating that it's a terrible area for a kid to walk alone. 

Jill did you see the group of houses directly west of the Olten house between the junkyard and Rte D?  I wonder if those could also be considered "in the same area" as was stated.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

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Very strange that he would not comment that Elizabeth met up with this person as she started walking home.  Could it be that this person offered to walk her home from the house she was at before she started the walk?  This really is sending off my hinky meter

And this....."We had been in that area — actually more than once. The body was very well concealed," said White, who would not say whether police believed Elizabeth had been killed there.

this leads me to think she may have been killed someplace else.  NR....nrcg and my hinky meters have been charged too!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 04:06:16 PM
Northern Rose - are there street numbers?
Sorry just saw this post.  The only address that has been in the media so far has been the Olten house, 222 Lomo Drive.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=222%20lomo%20dr%2C%20saint%20martins%2C%20mo


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 04:15:30 PM
But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

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Very strange that he would not comment that Elizabeth met up with this person as she started walking home.  Could it be that this person offered to walk her home from the house she was at before she started the walk?  This really is sending off my hinky meter

And this....."We had been in that area — actually more than once. The body was very well concealed," said White, who would not say whether police believed Elizabeth had been killed there.

this leads me to think she may have been killed someplace else.  NR....nrcg and my hinky meters have been charged too!

This statement: Investigators said written and physical evidence led them to the suspect,  

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/830d1a67-80ce-0971-00cb-8a9296abae88

They have said that LE was given written letters by a 3rd juvenile.  "Physical evidence" led them to the suspect ....did that 3rd person also give them bloody clothes, a murder weapon, drugs,.....whatever it was it was not where they found Elizabeth.  A younger sibling finding it in their house and turning in someone that was there? I would think that a young person would not have the maturity to continue to look for more evidence if they found letters or the other evidence so you would think they were together.  If you are a kid and find a hot potatoe do you keep looking for more or freak out and figure out what to do with what you find is my line of thought here.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 04:17:50 PM
But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

----------------------------------------------------

Very strange that he would not comment that Elizabeth met up with this person as she started walking home.  Could it be that this person offered to walk her home from the house she was at before she started the walk?  This really is sending off my hinky meter

And this....."We had been in that area — actually more than once. The body was very well concealed," said White, who would not say whether police believed Elizabeth had been killed there.

this leads me to think she may have been killed someplace else.  NR....nrcg and my hinky meters have been charged too!
  or harmed someplace else, like drugged perhaps.  I am still having difficulty with a 15 year old taking a 108lb limp body 1/4 mile into the woods on their own.  My thought is that Elizabeth went most of the way there on her own two feet and then something happened in those woods.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 24, 2009, 04:20:17 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....

So sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope you are doing better.  They said 15 year old lived west of Saint Martins.  IMO they were either visiting as a friend, relative such as cousin or from a split marriage where one parent lives around there.  I still strongly believe they are connected to one of the five house that she walked from/past.

Hi NR...I didn't have an accident...but saw one happen got out to help and a young man died in my arms...it shook me to my bones....
I agree with the connection to one of the five houses.....that does not seem to be an area that anyone would be in without a reason.

 :smt056 I bet you made this young mans last few minutes  less scary. Bless you for that

Edit:  Typo.  MB


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 24, 2009, 04:24:55 PM
This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I cannot think of a scenario that would prevent the sheriff from disclosing whether it is a 15 yr old boy or girl. Frankly, juvenile or not, they will probably be charged as an adult, and the name will come out anyhow. Unless politics is playing a role. That is a very big, fancy home for that area compared to the other homes around there. I wonder who lives there?

Hi Monks!   I wonder too and is their at 15 yo in the household?  Was their a 15 yo in the house that she left from?  Something is hinky and I don't know what. Surely people in the area know who has been arrested...and it hasn't been leaked??  I had to step away from all the cases for a night.....it was getting to  me....and I had an incident Thursday morning that left me a bit shaken. And I don't get shaken too easily. So I have been a bit off...more so than usual that is.  Thanks to all who have kept the thread up to date. I am shaking my head about the fund for the son's education....WTH is that about? I can't shake the hinky feeling....

So sorry to hear you had an accident. Hope you are doing better.  They said 15 year old lived west of Saint Martins.  IMO they were either visiting as a friend, relative such as cousin or from a split marriage where one parent lives around there.  I still strongly believe they are connected to one of the five house that she walked from/past.

Hi NR...I didn't have an accident...but saw one happen got out to help and a young man died in my arms...it shook me to my bones....
I agree with the connection to one of the five houses.....that does not seem to be an area that anyone would be in without a reason.

 :smt056 I bet you made this young mans last few minutes more less scary. Bless you for that

Should read, last few minutes less scary

Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 24, 2009, 04:28:36 PM


 :smt056 I bet you made this young mans last few minutes  less scary. Bless you for that (Edit:  typo-MB)

That is very sweet...thanks


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
Another interesting post #21:

I'm not supposed to comment much on this case, we all got a nasty gram from the powers that be. I'm doing it anyway- I want them to release WHO killed this little girl. The juvenile should not be shielded, IMO and it's not a big surprise at who the perp is.

Plus, the thing is that the "rumor" is the perp watched them search the area and then he placed the little girl there, after he was confident they were done searching.

Bastard- this kid isn't a kid and he should not be protected, IMFO.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=343706


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/RGWsG3iX64I&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2009, 04:59:50 PM
Thanks for the updates,NorthernRose.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 05:09:58 PM
But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

----------------------------------------------------

Very strange that he would not comment that Elizabeth met up with this person as she started walking home.  Could it be that this person offered to walk her home from the house she was at before she started the walk?  This really is sending off my hinky meter
Could she have been killed at the house, say maybe the backyard, garage? But then how would her body have gotten into the woods, unless the perp had a vehicle of some sort, I'm blank, can't think of the name, like a dirt bike  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 05:13:08 PM
I think that Elizabeth was lured into those woods jmo...

also, for it to be 1st degree murder, would rule out accidental wouldn't it? which would mean that it was a planned death or a deliberate act of murder...? if that is the proper wording...



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
Another interesting post #21:

I'm not supposed to comment much on this case, we all got a nasty gram from the powers that be. I'm doing it anyway- I want them to release WHO killed this little girl. The juvenile should not be shielded, IMO and it's not a big surprise at who the perp is.

Plus, the thing is that the "rumor" is the perp watched them search the area and then he placed the little girl there, after he was confident they were done searching.

Bastard- this kid isn't a kid and he should not be protected, IMFO.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=343706
Thanks, so I'm guessing the perp is a boy, this is crazy, and no surprise at who the perp is? So must be some kid that has been a bully or has caused a lot of trouble in the area.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 05:14:53 PM
I think that Elizabeth was lured into those woods jmo...

also, for it to be 1st degree murder, would rule out accidental wouldn't it? which would mean that it was a planned death or a deliberate act of murder...? if that is the proper wording...


I thought she was lured also, but then reading one of the statements from the police, maybe not. The friend that Elizabeth was visiting, I sure would love to know if she has an older sibling.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 05:15:16 PM
Another interesting post #21:

I'm not supposed to comment much on this case, we all got a nasty gram from the powers that be. I'm doing it anyway- I want them to release WHO killed this little girl. The juvenile should not be shielded, IMO and it's not a big surprise at who the perp is.

Plus, the thing is that the "rumor" is the perp watched them search the area and then he placed the little girl there, after he was confident they were done searching.

Bastard- this kid isn't a kid and he should not be protected, IMFO.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=343706
Thanks, so I'm guessing the perp is a boy, this is crazy, and no surprise at who the perp is? So must be some kid that has been a bully or has caused a lot of trouble in the area.

or a kid with emotional problems? or a kid that has done something to other kids?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2009, 05:22:06 PM
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m053.htm

MURDER, FIRST DEGREE - In order for someone to be found guilty of first degree murder the government must prove that the person killed another person; the person killed the other person with malice aforethought; and the killing was premeditated.

To kill with malice aforethought means to kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.

Premeditation means with planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation of a killing depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to kill, for the killer to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the killing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 05:25:15 PM
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m053.htm

MURDER, FIRST DEGREE - In order for someone to be found guilty of first degree murder the government must prove that the person killed another person; the person killed the other person with malice aforethought; and the killing was premeditated.

To kill with malice aforethought means to kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.

Premeditation means with planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation of a killing depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to kill, for the killer to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the killing.

so maybe the letters given to LE laid out the plan?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 05:28:13 PM
darby 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Central Missouri
Posts: 2 
 
I am new to this forum but I live within 2 miles of Elizabeth's home. My son works at a restaurant and overheard a police officer say that a 15-year-old "Goth" girl is in custody for the murder. I had automatically assumed the perp was a male...

I have nothing but respect for the sheriff and the rest of the law enforcement in the area - they are caring and dedicated and they did everything they could to find Elizabeth.

This area is indeed rural and beautiful. One of our children is in the same grade at the same school as Elizabeth. We feel numb.
 
   ::MonkeyEek:: Just saw this on In Session forum.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m053.htm

MURDER, FIRST DEGREE - In order for someone to be found guilty of first degree murder the government must prove that the person killed another person; the person killed the other person with malice aforethought; and the killing was premeditated.

To kill with malice aforethought means to kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.

Premeditation means with planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation of a killing depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to kill, for the killer to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the killing.

so maybe the letters given to LE laid out the plan?

perhaps...maybe this kid who did this to Elizabeth had a journal or had blogged or written about it? someone found the notes and gave them to LE?

thanks Klaas for the explanation of 1st degree..


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 05:43:32 PM
darby 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Central Missouri
Posts: 2 
 
I am new to this forum but I live within 2 miles of Elizabeth's home. My son works at a restaurant and overheard a police officer say that a 15-year-old "Goth" girl is in custody for the murder. I had automatically assumed the perp was a male...

I have nothing but respect for the sheriff and the rest of the law enforcement in the area - they are caring and dedicated and they did everything they could to find Elizabeth.

This area is indeed rural and beautiful. One of our children is in the same grade at the same school as Elizabeth. We feel numb.
 
   ::MonkeyEek:: Just saw this on In Session forum.

Two people that are "local" and one says goth girl one says boy that will not be a shock.  We will find out if the person is tried as an adult which one is correct.  I can only imagine the rumours that are swirling in that area.  They will be worse on Monday when school is in  and there is an empty seat in a class that usually has a 15 year old sitting in it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 05:44:29 PM
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m053.htm

MURDER, FIRST DEGREE - In order for someone to be found guilty of first degree murder the government must prove that the person killed another person; the person killed the other person with malice aforethought; and the killing was premeditated.

To kill with malice aforethought means to kill either deliberately and intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life.

Premeditation means with planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation of a killing depends on the person and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to kill, for the killer to have been fully conscious of the intent and to have considered the killing.

so maybe the letters given to LE laid out the plan?

perhaps...maybe this kid who did this to Elizabeth had a journal or had blogged or written about it? someone found the notes and gave them to LE?

thanks Klaas for the explanation of 1st degree..

articles have describe them as written letters that were given to LE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 06:24:41 PM
  Written letters that were given to LE, so perhaps a sibling ran across those?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 06:29:08 PM
  Written letters that were given to LE, so perhaps a sibling ran across those?

that was my thoughts Rosie....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 24, 2009, 06:36:51 PM
I am hoping Jazmins children have nothign to do with this. Do we know they dont'? Please tell it no longer makes sense they do not.

Was there a scared monkeys thread about Jazmins disappearence?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
I am hoping Jazmins children have nothign to do with this. Do we know they dont'? Please tell it no longer makes sense they do not.

Was there a scared monkeys thread about Jazmins disappearence?

We do not know anything more than 15 year old, from area was acquainted with Elizabeth.  I do not know where Jasmine's children live but I believe they are in MO.
Someone did mention that we did have a thread for Jasmine's disappearance.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 06:59:26 PM
St Martins, MO) New developments today in the case of a murdered Missouri girl.

Cole County authorities filed a petition to charge a 15-year old with first-degree murder. That teen is in juvenile custody in connection with death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten

Because this person is a juvenile the Cole County Sheriff's office is not releasing the juveniles name or gender. Cole county Sheriff Greg White says the 15-year old was acquainted with the victim, but declined to elaborate.

Elizabeth Olten went missing on Wednesday while walking home from a friend's house. Her body was found Friday in a wooded area near her home, west of Jefferson City. Sheriff White says the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched, but that she had been very well concealed.


Physical and written evidence led police to develop a person of interest. Police say that person led them to the body.

The search for elizabeth was massive. It involved multiple law enforcement agencies with special equipment and community volunteers.

Now, as a family mourns, the sheriff says the investigation changes gears in an effort to determine what happened to Elizabeth during the time she was missing.

" Law enforcement, and firefighters, have all cleared the scene. As of where we go from here investigators from all primary agencies are working on reports," explains Sheriff White.


Because this is a juvenile case, a separate hearing will be held to see if the teen can be certified as an adult. Only then can he or she face the first-degree murder charges in court.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=198642#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: N2WISHN on October 24, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
This information is not confirmed......

snipped

Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning's press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she told KRCG “You’d be very surprised.”

Residents tell KRCG the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 07:22:28 PM
Dear God...what is this world coming to?



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2009, 07:23:37 PM
I am hoping Jazmins children have nothign to do with this. Do we know they dont'? Please tell it no longer makes sense they do not.

Was there a scared monkeys thread about Jazmins disappearence?

No.....I do not have time at the moment to start one...but you can readi it here.
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11329

Give me a few minutes and I'll set a thread up for Jasmine.  I had intended to do that earlier, but I've been busy today....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 07:27:09 PM
This information is not confirmed......

snipped

Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning's press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she told KRCG “You’d be very surprised.”

Residents tell KRCG the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283

I just saw that as well and went, well that totally makes sense now with the bits the Sherriff has been saying. I am thinking older sister. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: yuknomenot on October 24, 2009, 07:31:34 PM
Body of Missing Missouri Girl, 9, Found in Woods

The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend's house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

An "older juvenile" suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten's body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

"There's been no contact with her since then," Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

About 70 investigators worked on leads Friday and another 70 people spent the day scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City, Mo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html
Hi everyone.

These 2 sentences have troubled me since I first read them:
  White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.


To me it sounds like Elizabeth may have had a problem at that residence and told her "parents" about it.  Then I think if that was the case wouldn't her "parents" have gone to get her, at the very least meet her on the way.  Or was it simply because it was getting late.  Surely he just misspoke when he used "parents".


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
This information is not confirmed......

snipped

Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning's press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she told KRCG “You’d be very surprised.”

Residents tell KRCG the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283
I know it says it isn't confirmed, but I will bet the girl is probably a sister or cousin to the friend Elizabeth visited.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2009, 08:09:10 PM
I've started a thread for Jasmine Haslag in our missing forum:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6347.new#new

It's only the header so far, but hopefully we can build the thread with information, pics, maps & links. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
I've started a thread for Jasmine Haslag in our missing forum:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6347.new#new

It's only the header so far, but hopefully we can build the thread with information, pics, maps & links. 

Muffy thank you!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:13:04 PM
Body of Missing Missouri Girl, 9, Found in Woods

The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend's house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

An "older juvenile" suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten's body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

"There's been no contact with her since then," Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

About 70 investigators worked on leads Friday and another 70 people spent the day scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City, Mo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html
Hi everyone.

These 2 sentences have troubled me since I first read them:
  White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.


To me it sounds like Elizabeth may have had a problem at that residence and told her "parents" about it.  Then I think if that was the case wouldn't her "parents" have gone to get her, at the very least meet her on the way.  Or was it simply because it was getting late.  Surely he just misspoke when he used "parents".
I didn't look at it that way, interesting, maybe Elizabeth said something and it bothered her mom and she told her to come home. I was reading on WS, and someone has figured out who lives in the big house, supposedly they had lived in California, anyway their are two boys myspace that one of the posters found, I'm guessing from that home, and it was making them sick reading it. I have no idea, I don't know how to dig up stuff, and because of their ages it wouldn't be appropriate anyway. Just thought it was interesting. I'm sure all this info will be leaked one way or another in the next week.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
I've started a thread for Jasmine Haslag in our missing forum:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6347.new#new

It's only the header so far, but hopefully we can build the thread with information, pics, maps & links. 
Thank-you


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 08:18:23 PM
This information is not confirmed......

snipped

Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning's press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she told KRCG “You’d be very surprised.”

Residents tell KRCG the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283
I know it says it isn't confirmed, but I will bet the girl is probably a sister or cousin to the friend Elizabeth visited.

I am thinking grandpa owns the land.  When you go on the property info site and click on the parcel of land with the pond and horse barn, then click on the 5 acres behind it that the new house is built on the owners are the same.  THe house on the plot with the pond was built in 1962.

http://www.midmogis.org/website/MidMoGIS/maphtm/viewer.asp

http://www.midmogis.org/website/MidMoGIS/maphtm/viewer.asp


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Elaine on October 24, 2009, 08:18:54 PM
From another place in the comments:

Jeff Stuenkel

the craziest part of this is that they believe it was a 15 year old girl who was friends of her sister. they have taken her into custody and they think she already had the grave dug

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/elizabeth-olten-dead-body_n_332180.html

Me:  I'll bet it is the 15 year old girl who claimed she was the last one to see her


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 08:21:45 PM
I'm tooling around on the Cole County Assesor's property locator and frankly, this area is really pretty with what seem to me to be nice homes.

Some VERY nice homes with more modest homes interspersed.

I'm not getting why I've seen comments from people who supposedly live in the area stating that it's a terrible area for a kid to walk alone. 

Jill did you see the group of houses directly west of the Olten house between the junkyard and Rte D?  I wonder if those could also be considered "in the same area" as was stated.

Northern - I couldn't identify anything but 1007 Lomo - where the command post was set up.

I don't have the address for the Olten house.

Do you have it?  If you don't feel comfortable posting it - could you email it to me at protectkidz@yahoo.com?  tia.

I have to agree with Elizabeth having had a problem at that house - BUT, I'm confused as to whether her mom knew or didn't know that she was on her way home.  Also, her mom has a different last name - could Elizabeth possibly have a stepfather living in the home who would be considered her "parent"?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: yuknomenot on October 24, 2009, 08:23:51 PM
Body of Missing Missouri Girl, 9, Found in Woods

The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend's house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

An "older juvenile" suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten's body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

"There's been no contact with her since then," Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

About 70 investigators worked on leads Friday and another 70 people spent the day scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City, Mo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html
Hi everyone.

These 2 sentences have troubled me since I first read them:
  White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.


To me it sounds like Elizabeth may have had a problem at that residence and told her "parents" about it.  Then I think if that was the case wouldn't her "parents" have gone to get her, at the very least meet her on the way.  Or was it simply because it was getting late.  Surely he just misspoke when he used "parents".
I didn't look at it that way, interesting, maybe Elizabeth said something and it bothered her mom and she told her to come home. I was reading on WS, and someone has figured out who lives in the big house, supposedly they had lived in California, anyway their are two boys myspace that one of the posters found, I'm guessing from that home, and it was making them sick reading it. I have no idea, I don't know how to dig up stuff, and because of their ages it wouldn't be appropriate anyway. Just thought it was interesting. I'm sure all this info will be leaked one way or another in the next week.
IMO, they need to say whether it is a male or female to lay to rest some of the rumors before some innocent person's reputation is irreversibly damaged.   And because I want to know  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:24:55 PM
 The big house is that on Loma Dr, one is numbered in the 200's and one numbered in the 600's, or am I mixed up?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
yuknomenot very strange isn't it, I don't ever recall this before where they are hesitant to say what sex the person is. I don't get this, but what I'm finding interesting is someone on another forum has a screen shot from a myspace that evidently is the person, and it is a girl, she obviously didn't post the pic because of the age.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing since 10/21/09
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 08:28:53 PM
Body of Missing Missouri Girl, 9, Found in Woods

The body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl who vanished walking home from a friend's house was found in a heavily wooded area Friday.

An "older juvenile" suspect led authorities to Elizabeth Olten's body, deep in the woods near where an exhaustive search for the child was under way for much of the day.

Elizabeth disappeared just after she started walking home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

"There's been no contact with her since then," Cole County Sheriff Greg White told Fox News earlier Friday, before Elizabeth was found dead.

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

About 70 investigators worked on leads Friday and another 70 people spent the day scouring woody, uneven terrain west of Jefferson City, Mo.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html
Hi everyone.

These 2 sentences have troubled me since I first read them:
  White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.


To me it sounds like Elizabeth may have had a problem at that residence and told her "parents" about it.  Then I think if that was the case wouldn't her "parents" have gone to get her, at the very least meet her on the way.  Or was it simply because it was getting late.  Surely he just misspoke when he used "parents".
I didn't look at it that way, interesting, maybe Elizabeth said something and it bothered her mom and she told her to come home. I was reading on WS, and someone has figured out who lives in the big house, supposedly they had lived in California, anyway their are two boys myspace that one of the posters found, I'm guessing from that home, and it was making them sick reading it. I have no idea, I don't know how to dig up stuff, and because of their ages it wouldn't be appropriate anyway. Just thought it was interesting. I'm sure all this info will be leaked one way or another in the next week.

Elizabeth's brother, the one who the education trust fund is set up for, he has his set to private but he did change it to R.I.P Elizabeth yesterday.  One of the kids that has the Olten boy as a friend has his message set to "man ppl are F@cked up".  I can not imagine what these kids are going through.  I hope they all get counselling.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 08:29:03 PM
well, if this killing was as coldhearted as this 15 year old wanting to know what it feels like to kill someone - and also if this 15 y.o. has ever had any other trouble with the law - I would bet dollars to donuts that this suspect will indeed be charged as an adult and I would bet that this will happen on Monday - at start of business.

Right after that, we will have more details.

I really don't see it happening any other way.  But of course, I've been wrong before - I just feel in my gut that this 15 y.o. is facing an adult charge.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:30:27 PM
It's driving me nuts, little clues here and there with initials of who the person is, I don't have the patience or talent to track this down, but it sure looks like this person on another forum has found out who did this  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:32:18 PM
well, if this killing was as coldhearted as this 15 year old wanting to know what it feels like to kill someone - and also if this 15 y.o. has ever had any other trouble with the law - I would bet dollars to donuts that this suspect will indeed be charged as an adult and I would bet that this will happen on Monday - at start of business.

Right after that, we will have more details.

I really don't see it happening any other way.  But of course, I've been wrong before - I just feel in my gut that this 15 y.o. is facing an adult charge.
I would think so also, unless after testing they find the 15 year old to have mental problems or something, then I don't know what they would do.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
The big house is that on Loma Dr, one is numbered in the 200's and one numbered in the 600's, or am I mixed up?

Sorry I have so many windows open right now took me a while to get to the property one.  The one that I think Grandpa lives on is 600's the one the new house is on is 200's and the last ariel photo was 2006.  Same person owns both propertys with his wife.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 08:34:39 PM
The big house is that on Loma Dr, one is numbered in the 200's and one numbered in the 600's, or am I mixed up?

Sorry I have so many windows open right now took me a while to get to the property one.  The one that I think Grandpa lives on is 600's the one the new house is on is 200's and the last ariel photo was 2006.  Same person owns both propertys with his wife.

is that the house Elizabeth lived in - or the house she was visiting?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:34:50 PM
The big house is that on Loma Dr, one is numbered in the 200's and one numbered in the 600's, or am I mixed up?

Sorry I have so many windows open right now took me a while to get to the property one.  The one that I think Grandpa lives on is 600's the one the new house is on is 200's and the last ariel photo was 2006.  Same person owns both propertys with his wife.
Thanks, wonder if these people are important in the community, looking at the one house they certainly have money.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:35:15 PM
The big house is that on Loma Dr, one is numbered in the 200's and one numbered in the 600's, or am I mixed up?

Sorry I have so many windows open right now took me a while to get to the property one.  The one that I think Grandpa lives on is 600's the one the new house is on is 200's and the last ariel photo was 2006.  Same person owns both propertys with his wife.

is that the house Elizabeth lived in - or the house she was visiting?
House she was visiting


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 08:35:24 PM
and, are these rentals?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:36:12 PM
and, are these rentals?
I don't believe the two houses on the plot of land are rentals, but I could be wrong. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: yuknomenot on October 24, 2009, 08:37:10 PM
yuknomenot very strange isn't it, I don't ever recall this before where they are hesitant to say what sex the person is. I don't get this, but what I'm finding interesting is someone on another forum has a screen shot from a myspace that evidently is the person, and it is a girl, she obviously didn't post the pic because of the age.
Yes, how they are handling this aspect of it makes no sense.  I certainly hope the screen shot is the murdered and isn't an innocent.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:37:44 PM
I'm already figuring out the defense, if it is the 15 year old goth chick, I can hear it now, the music contributed to this, maybe drugs, but there will be some lame excuse.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 24, 2009, 08:38:50 PM
ok, if you could post whatever you know - and if you have time a screen shot of the junkyard you were talking about?  it'll help when I look at the assesor's site.

I'm going to go pick up my little guy from a Halloween party - something Elizabeth and Somer should've been doing right now.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'll probably check back in the morning - night everyone.  Thanks for all the updates, Northern and all ~


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:39:06 PM
yuknomenot very strange isn't it, I don't ever recall this before where they are hesitant to say what sex the person is. I don't get this, but what I'm finding interesting is someone on another forum has a screen shot from a myspace that evidently is the person, and it is a girl, she obviously didn't post the pic because of the age.
Yes, how they are handling this aspect of it makes no sense.  I certainly hope the screen shot is the murdered and isn't an innocent.
I agree, and frankly I'm no good with myspace/facebook to find anything, I wouldn't even try. I sure hope it isn't an innocent person.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: yuknomenot on October 24, 2009, 08:39:08 PM
yuknomenot very strange isn't it, I don't ever recall this before where they are hesitant to say what sex the person is. I don't get this, but what I'm finding interesting is someone on another forum has a screen shot from a myspace that evidently is the person, and it is a girl, she obviously didn't post the pic because of the age.
Yes, how they are handling this aspect of it makes no sense.  I certainly hope the screen shot is the murdered and isn't an innocent.
I meant murderer.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: N2WISHN on October 24, 2009, 08:39:51 PM
well, if this killing was as coldhearted as this 15 year old wanting to know what it feels like to kill someone - and also if this 15 y.o. has ever had any other trouble with the law - I would bet dollars to donuts that this suspect will indeed be charged as an adult and I would bet that this will happen on Monday - at start of business.

Right after that, we will have more details.

I really don't see it happening any other way.  But of course, I've been wrong before - I just feel in my gut that this 15 y.o. is facing an adult charge.
I would think so also, unless after testing they find the 15 year old to have mental problems or something, then I don't know what they would do.


Well, if that comment off of The Huffington Post is correct and she dug the grave well in advance of killing Elizabeth, she's not going to qualify as mental. This is some very evil stuff. With all that has been going on this week, I am ill and so disillusioned with the world....more than usual......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 08:40:37 PM
I'm tooling around on the Cole County Assesor's property locator and frankly, this area is really pretty with what seem to me to be nice homes.

Some VERY nice homes with more modest homes interspersed.

I'm not getting why I've seen comments from people who supposedly live in the area stating that it's a terrible area for a kid to walk alone. 

Jill did you see the group of houses directly west of the Olten house between the junkyard and Rte D?  I wonder if those could also be considered "in the same area" as was stated.

Northern - I couldn't identify anything but 1007 Lomo - where the command post was set up.

I don't have the address for the Olten house.

Do you have it?  If you don't feel comfortable posting it - could you email it to me at protectkidz@yahoo.com?  tia.

I have to agree with Elizabeth having had a problem at that house - BUT, I'm confused as to whether her mom knew or didn't know that she was on her way home.  Also, her mom has a different last name - could Elizabeth possibly have a stepfather living in the home who would be considered her "parent"?

Jill you have nanners


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:42:45 PM
N2WISHN I agree, if she dug the grave in advance, I guess we will hear more about that  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: N2WISHN on October 24, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
N2WISHN I agree, if she dug the grave in advance, I guess we will hear more about that  ::MonkeyShocked::



I don't know if I can take knowing more. The things going on are so alien that I'm not really comprehending it all.......It's like all the memories of how Nevaeh, Sandra, Caylee, and all the others were found come screaming at me and doesn't compute in my mind. I hate this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
well, if this killing was as coldhearted as this 15 year old wanting to know what it feels like to kill someone - and also if this 15 y.o. has ever had any other trouble with the law - I would bet dollars to donuts that this suspect will indeed be charged as an adult and I would bet that this will happen on Monday - at start of business.

Right after that, we will have more details.

I really don't see it happening any other way.  But of course, I've been wrong before - I just feel in my gut that this 15 y.o. is facing an adult charge.
I would think so also, unless after testing they find the 15 year old to have mental problems or something, then I don't know what they would do.


Well, if that comment off of The Huffington Post is correct and she dug the grave well in advance of killing Elizabeth, she's not going to qualify as mental. This is some very evil stuff. With all that has been going on this week, I am ill and so disillusioned with the world....more than usual......

That is not even sinking in yet.  What 15 year old would dig a grave to get ready for murder?  It feels so wrong just to be typing that.  If in fact it is true, was Elizabeth just at the wrong place at the wrong time, or had she also chosen her in advance?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
N2WISHN I agree, if she dug the grave in advance, I guess we will hear more about that  ::MonkeyShocked::



I don't know if I can take knowing more. The things going on are so alien that I'm not really comprehending it all.......It's like all the memories of how Nevaeh, Sandra, Caylee, and all the others were found come screaming at me and doesn't compute in my mind. I hate this.
I know exactly what you are saying  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 24, 2009, 08:49:59 PM
well, if this killing was as coldhearted as this 15 year old wanting to know what it feels like to kill someone - and also if this 15 y.o. has ever had any other trouble with the law - I would bet dollars to donuts that this suspect will indeed be charged as an adult and I would bet that this will happen on Monday - at start of business.

Right after that, we will have more details.

I really don't see it happening any other way.  But of course, I've been wrong before - I just feel in my gut that this 15 y.o. is facing an adult charge.
I would think so also, unless after testing they find the 15 year old to have mental problems or something, then I don't know what they would do.


Well, if that comment off of The Huffington Post is correct and she dug the grave well in advance of killing Elizabeth, she's not going to qualify as mental. This is some very evil stuff. With all that has been going on this week, I am ill and so disillusioned with the world....more than usual......

That is not even sinking in yet.  What 15 year old would dig a grave to get ready for murder?  It feels so wrong just to be typing that.  If in fact it is true, was Elizabeth just at the wrong place at the wrong time, or had she also chosen her in advance?
I wouldn't even know how to answer that, she could have chosen her because she didn't like her, or Elizabeth was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. But I think she chose her, for whatever sick reason.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: N2WISHN on October 24, 2009, 08:51:30 PM
N2WISHN I agree, if she dug the grave in advance, I guess we will hear more about that  ::MonkeyShocked::



I don't know if I can take knowing more. The things going on are so alien that I'm not really comprehending it all.......It's like all the memories of how Nevaeh, Sandra, Caylee, and all the others were found come screaming at me and doesn't compute in my mind. I hate this.
I know exactly what you are saying  ::MonkeyAngel::


I'm basically a logical type person and when I get into things that I can't relate to then I get thrown for a loop. Hopefully I'll level out soon, it's just been a lousy week and nothing compared to what these parents are going through. May they find peace again, I doubt I would be able to.......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 24, 2009, 08:56:51 PM
hello Monkeys, I too have been reading on other sites and I think it is probably true that this suspect is a girl, around here where I live there's alot of kids wearing the black and trying to look gothic, in rural area;s where there's not a lot to do, these teenagers try to make up for it by trying to get attention by how they look, dressing in black and wearing black makeup, but for the most part its harmless and after awhile it gets old to them and they stop, but some go too far and really get into it, I wouldnt doubt if this girl is the suspect that she was trying to look like a true gothic and planned this and followed it through, just to get attention, if true ...poor Elizabeth, she probably never had any idea that she had been chosen by this sick person to do this to....What is the world coming too when 15 year olds are this heartless.......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 09:58:58 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 24, 2009, 10:02:36 PM
Please bear with me, but I have a question or two.

Do y'all know how long Elizabeth has been friends with the girl that she was visiting?

Could it be that the older child (if an older child is the suspect) told the little girl to befriend Elizabeth and lure her in? Then the "friend" felt guilty about befriending Elizabeth and told on the suspect?

Just wondering, back to lurking. JSM  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:19:49 PM
Please bear with me, but I have a question or two.

Do y'all know how long Elizabeth has been friends with the girl that she was visiting?

Could it be that the older child (if an older child is the suspect) told the little girl to befriend Elizabeth and lure her in? Then the "friend" felt guilty about befriending Elizabeth and told on the suspect?

Just wondering, back to lurking. JSM  ::MonkeyBike::


JSM there has been nothing at all in the news about the friend she was with, which in itself I find very odd.  All we know is that the Grandfather told her to go home at 6:15. 
How many kids live in the friends house has not been stated nor how long they were friends.  Another neighbour did state that she would cut through the front yards to go home often, so I am guessing it was not unusually for her to be at the friends house.  That house has been built some time after 2006.  Whether she knew the friend before that we do not know.  There was also one article about an older girl who babysat her but I am not sure if it was in relation to the friends house she was at. 

All great questions that have not been officially answered.

Please don't lurk.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:20:50 PM
Elizabeth Kay Olten
(December 15, 1999 - October 21, 2009)


Elizabeth Kay Olten, 9, of Jefferson City, was welcomed into the arms of the angels on Wednesday, October 21, 2009. She was born December 15, 1999, in Jefferson City, a daughter of Patricia “Patty” (Carwile) Preiss and Dale Olten, Sr.
Elizabeth was currently a fourth grade student and Pioneer Trails Elementary School in Jefferson City. She was a lover of music, and some of her favorites included Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift. She loved horses, playing with her friends, and especially enjoyed baking cookies and doing puzzles with her mom. She also loved to play dress-up with her animals.

She survived by her mother: Patty Preiss of the home; her father: Dale Olten, Sr. of Bowling Green; two sisters: Stephanie Adrian (husband Alex) of Jefferson City; Candice Olten of Columbia; two brothers: Anthony Olten of the home; Dale Olten, Jr. of Bowling Green; maternal great-grandmother: Eula Hopkins of Owensville; maternal grandmother: Sandra Corn (husband Harold) of Sullivan; two aunts: Cindy Spurgeon (husband Randy) of Owensville; Pam Sills (husband Mike) of Jefferson City; one uncle: Rick Carwile (girlfriend Debbie) of Owensville; a niece: Jaidence Adrian of Jefferson City; a nephew: Kaiden Adrian of Jefferson City; an honorary dad: Gary Bemboom of Jefferson City and several cousins. She was preceded in death by her maternal great-grandfather: Louis Hopkins.

Elizabeth’s Family would like to sincerely thank all of the volunteers who showed up to help, Peggy from Missouri Missing and all of the Law Enforcement agencies that assisted in any way. We truly appreciate you surrounding our family with your love and compassion at this difficult time.

Friends will be received from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Tuesday at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home. Funeral Services will be held at 2:00 p.m. Wednesday, October 28, 2009, at Concord Baptist Church, with the Rev. Dr. Monte Shinkle officiating. Elizabeth loved horses and will be taken in an antique horse drawn carriage to her final resting place at Hawthorn Memorial Gardens. Expressions of sympathy may be made to Missouri Missing in memory of Elizabeth Olten. Arrangements are under the direction of HOUSER-MILLARD Funeral Directors, 2613 West Main Street; Jefferson City, Missouri 65109. (573) 636-3838. www.millardfamilychapels.com


http://www.millardfamilychapels.com/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 24, 2009, 10:28:09 PM
Please bear with me, but I have a question or two.

Do y'all know how long Elizabeth has been friends with the girl that she was visiting?

Could it be that the older child (if an older child is the suspect) told the little girl to befriend Elizabeth and lure her in? Then the "friend" felt guilty about befriending Elizabeth and told on the suspect?

Just wondering, back to lurking. JSM  ::MonkeyBike::


JSM there has been nothing at all in the news about the friend she was with, which in itself I find very odd.  All we know is that the Grandfather told her to go home at 6:15. 
How many kids live in the friends house has not been stated nor how long they were friends.  Another neighbour did state that she would cut through the front yards to go home often, so I am guessing it was not unusually for her to be at the friends house.  That house has been built some time after 2006.  Whether she knew the friend before that we do not know.  There was also one article about an older girl who babysat her but I am not sure if it was in relation to the friends house she was at. 

All great questions that have not been officially answered.

Please don't lurk.   ::MonkeyAngel::
Thanks Northern.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 24, 2009, 10:37:13 PM
I think that it is a female who murdered Elizabeth, otherwise, they wouldn't be keeping it so hush hush...jmo


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 10:37:54 PM
(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/th_Elizabeth3.png)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 24, 2009, 10:52:48 PM
N2WISHN I agree, if she dug the grave in advance, I guess we will hear more about that  ::MonkeyShocked::



I don't know if I can take knowing more. The things going on are so alien that I'm not really comprehending it all.......It's like all the memories of how Nevaeh, Sandra, Caylee, and all the others were found come screaming at me and doesn't compute in my mind. I hate this.
I know exactly what you are saying  ::MonkeyAngel::


I'm basically a logical type person and when I get into things that I can't relate to then I get thrown for a loop. Hopefully I'll level out soon, it's just been a lousy week and nothing compared to what these parents are going through. May they find peace again, I doubt I would be able to.......
N2WISHIN, I think you have vocalized how we have all been feeling the past few days. It really has been a terrible week. I have been where you are many times since I first started following these cases. We try to steel ourselves to the awful facts, and then when we hear the awful facts they are worse than we even imagined, and it leaves us reeling.  :smt056


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 24, 2009, 10:54:41 PM
I think that it is a female who murdered Elizabeth, otherwise, they wouldn't be keeping it so hush hush...jmo

I think it probably is too, COOKIE. But for the life of me, I cannot figure out why LE would think being a female would matter being disclosed.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: N2WISHN on October 24, 2009, 11:04:39 PM
I think that it is a female who murdered Elizabeth, otherwise, they wouldn't be keeping it so hush hush...jmo

I think it probably is too, COOKIE. But for the life of me, I cannot figure out why LE would think being a female would matter being disclosed.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



We haven't been getting much information on all the new cases lately. Maybe LE has watched what has happened with the Caylee case and are just keeping things to themselves.....We've not even gotten COD on many and that seems to be keeping things too close to the vest IMO.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: pinkbanana on October 24, 2009, 11:16:59 PM
Rest In Peace Elizabeth  ::MonkeyWaa::
God Bless you little baby!  ::MonkeyAngel::

When will our babies be free to be children?!

pb


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Brandi on October 24, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss174/northernrose/th_Elizabeth3.png)

Here she is in the original size:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Elizabeth/Elizabeth3.png)

RIP, Elizabeth.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 24, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
Thank you Brandi. Not sure how I messed that up .


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
Thank you Brandi. Not sure how I messed that up .

Check your photobucket options.  You probably have it set to a maximum size of 160 x 160 so it automatically resized down.  You can change that, Brandi's original is 472 x 472.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
Thank you Brandi. Not sure how I messed that up .

Check your photobucket options.  You probably have it set to a maximum size of 160 x 160 so it automatically resized down.  You can change that, Brandi's original is 472 x 472.

Thanks.  I will look at it again tomorrow to fix it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 02:50:32 AM
Olten Suspect Charged With First Degree Murder

ST. MARTINS - Two days after 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten went missing, authorities have concluded their investigation.

The Cole County Sheriff announced the prosecutor's formal charge Saturday morning at a press conference in St. Martins.

The suspect's age and their charge came with an equally strong bite.

As the days grew longer and the search efforts came up empty, everyone dreaded the news.

"We came into possession of some written documents, the results of those documents gave us a person of interest," Cole County Sheriff Greg White said. "After questioning that individual, we were taken to the sight where the body was found."

With Olten's body, came the formal charge from Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty.

"Alleging a 15-year-old committed an offensive murder in the first degree," Couty concluded.

Stringent Missouri juvenile laws protect most information in the case.

Details including the suspect's gender and any known relationship remains unknown.

Nearly 1,000 volunteers and officials aided in the search, but the dense woodland and hilly terrain complicated efforts.

"We had been through the area, actually more than once," White said. "The body was very well concealed."

The search headquarters now sits empty, but the family is full of gratitude.

"To know that others love and care and want to do whatever they can is very helpful to the family," Peggy Florence from Missouri Missing said.

Family and friend's cars lined up outside Olten's home to mourn.

Neighborhood sources tell us, Olten was playing at a house on Lo Mo Drive just down the street from her own home Wednesday night.

The short quarter mile trip is a straight shot home.

Unless the case is transferred to the adult court system, her final detour may never be known.

The Cole County medical examiner performed Olten's autopsy Saturday.

The autopsy results won't be available for a few weeks, pending the toxicology report.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/89980de5-80ce-0971-0067-b2df3f4e12d5


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 02:54:18 AM
Reader Comment:

WHY?
Posted by Tabatha Olten Gibson, louisiana - Saturday, October 24, 2009 at 6:16 p.m.
 
why in the world would a child kill another child? I'm Elizabeth's Cousin and I just don't understand what was going through this persons mind to make them kill my innocent 9yr old cousin?????? explain to me please why??? I'm so glad i moved away from there, Or my son could of been at risk of this as well. Elizabeth you will always be remembered baby girl and loved, and we will ALL miss you, your whole family not just the ones close by. Rest In Peace Sweet Angel!!!!
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 09:54:45 AM
Elizabeth Kay Olten
(December 15, 1999 - October 21, 2009)


Elizabeth Kay Olten, 9, of Jefferson City, was welcomed into the arms of the angels on Wednesday, October 21, 2009. She was born December 15, 1999, in Jefferson City, a daughter of Patricia “Patty” (Carwile) Preiss and Dale Olten, Sr.
Elizabeth was currently a fourth grade student and Pioneer Trails Elementary School in Jefferson City. She was a lover of music, and some of her favorites included Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift. She loved horses, playing with her friends, and especially enjoyed baking cookies and doing puzzles with her mom. She also loved to play dress-up with her animals.

She survived by her mother: Patty Preiss of the home; her father: Dale Olten, Sr. of Bowling Green; two sisters: Stephanie Adrian (husband Alex) of Jefferson City; Candice Olten of Columbia; two brothers: Anthony Olten of the home; Dale Olten, Jr. of Bowling Green; maternal great-grandmother: Eula Hopkins of Owensville; maternal grandmother: Sandra Corn (husband Harold) of Sullivan; two aunts: Cindy Spurgeon (husband Randy) of Owensville; Pam Sills (husband Mike) of Jefferson City; one uncle: Rick Carwile (girlfriend Debbie) of Owensville; a niece: Jaidence Adrian of Jefferson City; a nephew: Kaiden Adrian of Jefferson City; an honorary dad: Gary Bemboom of Jefferson City and several cousins. She was preceded in death by her maternal great-grandfather: Louis Hopkins.

Elizabeth’s Family would like to sincerely thank all of the volunteers who showed up to help, Peggy from Missouri Missing and all of the Law Enforcement agencies that assisted in any way. We truly appreciate you surrounding our family with your love and compassion at this difficult time.

Friends will be received from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Tuesday at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home. Funeral Services will be held at 2:00 p.m. Wednesday, October 28, 2009, at Concord Baptist Church, with the Rev. Dr. Monte Shinkle officiating. Elizabeth loved horses and will be taken in an antique horse drawn carriage to her final resting place at Hawthorn Memorial Gardens. Expressions of sympathy may be made to Missouri Missing in memory of Elizabeth Olten. Arrangements are under the direction of HOUSER-MILLARD Funeral Directors, 2613 West Main Street; Jefferson City, Missouri 65109. (573) 636-3838. www.millardfamilychapels.com


http://www.millardfamilychapels.com/

good morning, all.

Northern - thanks for all of the updates.

I noticed that Dale's sister, who was vocal in the news on behalf of Elizabeth and her family, is not mentioned in this obit.  Nor any of Dale's family, except for Dale, Jr.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
I'm feeling very sad this morning for all of the family members, those of the 15 year old as well.

What a horrible thing to have to deal with. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:04:01 AM
I have been trying to make sense to why the gender is a problem to comment on. Could it be if the perp is a girl, could she have sexually attacked her as well? Maybe, I don't know just seems so odd  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:24:30 AM
addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction.
2:03 PM Aug 27th from txt

this is all i want in life; a reason for all this pain.
3:52 PM Sep 28th from txt                                          ::MonkeyEek::  Two tweets supposedly from the perp


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 10:44:45 AM
addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction.
2:03 PM Aug 27th from txt

this is all i want in life; a reason for all this pain.
3:52 PM Sep 28th from txt                                          ::MonkeyEek::  Two tweets supposedly from the perp

I haven't had time to track down this kids first name.  I do believe I have the grandparents names and the occupation of the grandmother.  If I am correct, the grandmother (age 52) runs a daycare from her home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 25, 2009, 10:46:45 AM
addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction.
2:03 PM Aug 27th from txt

this is all i want in life; a reason for all this pain.
3:52 PM Sep 28th from txt                                          ::MonkeyEek::  Two tweets supposedly from the perp

I haven't had time to track down this kids first name.  I do believe I have the grandparents names and the occupation of the grandmother.  If I am correct, the grandmother (age 52) runs a daycare from her home.
  ::MonkeyEek:: Wow you are good Klaas.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 10:47:22 AM
I've been tooling around and found some stuff - I'm going to wait til LE releases more info to comment on what I've found, so that Klaas and her mods don't have to kick me out of here, lol.

But suffice to say, I think the rumors of gender may be correct.

Re: WHY they are being so quiet about this.  My thinking is that LE stated that they want a clean investigation and trial - I think that's all there is to it.

Also, a media crap-storm could totally effect this little town - and possibly the family and friends of the victim and the suspect - and there are many minors in the friends category for both.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:48:13 AM
Okay this is what I'm picking up about the family. Supposedly the mom of the perp has four kids, grandma is taking care of them, mom has issues, dad has serious issues, don't know if true, but he is in jail in CA. The other forum has given the initials of the perp if indeed this is her, I won't because of her age. It appears Goth is a little exagerated, EMO is a better term. Many kids have and are going through the EMO phase, I know my younger daughter and her friends did for awhile. It looks like there are drug issues within the family with mom, have no idea with the perp. Again if this is indeed the family there are two 11 year old boys, and a 6 year old gir, and the 15 year old. This is not confirmed, just thought interesting.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 10:49:02 AM
ugh.  there is no way that the identity of the 15 year old is going to stay secret.

LE needs to make a statement, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:49:26 AM
addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction.
2:03 PM Aug 27th from txt

this is all i want in life; a reason for all this pain.
3:52 PM Sep 28th from txt                                          ::MonkeyEek::  Two tweets supposedly from the perp

I haven't had time to track down this kids first name.  I do believe I have the grandparents names and the occupation of the grandmother.  If I am correct, the grandmother (age 52) runs a daycare from her home.
That is what I'm reading, I do have the initials of the girl, but didn't know if I could post them.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:50:05 AM
ugh.  there is no way that the identity of the 15 year old is going to stay secret.

LE needs to make a statement, imo.
I agree, but there has to be a good reason why they are not.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
Originally Posted by Angleena 
On Monday, October 19, @@ updated her myspace status to this:

grounded from my phone fer two effin weeks. can i convince my gparents for a party? maybe.Mood: chill chillPosted at 5:57 PM Oct 19

This post shows up on Twitter by @@ on Wednesday
# sittin in classss. bored as f---. i miss my cell phone :,[6:45 AM Oct 21st from web

Elizabeth goes missing that evening.    ::MonkeyEek::  Motive perhaps?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 25, 2009, 10:53:50 AM
addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction.
2:03 PM Aug 27th from txt

this is all i want in life; a reason for all this pain.
3:52 PM Sep 28th from txt                                          ::MonkeyEek::  Two tweets supposedly from the perp

I haven't had time to track down this kids first name.  I do believe I have the grandparents names and the occupation of the grandmother.  If I am correct, the grandmother (age 52) runs a daycare from her home.
  ::MonkeyEek:: Wow you are good Klaas.

She sure is.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 10:55:49 AM
I just took it upon myself (as I have a tendency to do...) to call the Cole County Sheriff's office.

Spoke to a nice lady to let her know that this is starting to come out.

She was concerned and not aware that it was starting to come out.  But thankful to know.

Hopefully, they will figure out how to deal with this today because quite frankly, I already have all the info myself on the 15 y.o. (as I'm sure many people do) as well as her family and a good many of her friends.

Media is going to have this quick if not already, and we've learned from other cases (Haleigh) that some bloggers/self-described media - have a tendency to leak.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
I just took it upon myself (as I have a tendency to do...) to call the Cole County Sheriff's office.

Spoke to a nice lady to let her know that this is starting to come out.

She was concerned and not aware that it was starting to come out.  But thankful to know.

Hopefully, they will figure out how to deal with this today because quite frankly, I already have all the info myself on the 15 y.o. (as I'm sure many people do) as well as her family and a good many of her friends.

Media is going to have this quick if not already, and we've learned from other cases (Haleigh) that some bloggers/self-described media - have a tendency to leak.
You are right, there is a lot of info out already on this family.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:03:18 AM
when they refuse to give even the basic info, it causes people to become more suspicious, imo.

I know the family of this 15 year old must be reeling, but they can figure out a way to protect them, I think.  Also, this family is going to be dealing with this sooner or later.

This entire situation is f-ed up but LE needs to be assertive and completely in control.  If they don't step up with some info, the control will be taken from them and they'll be floundering to regain it, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 11:05:34 AM
I think the POI ID will be a shock locally when released. There is a good possibility that a fairly prominent local family name will be involved....perhaps even a law enforcement family. That might explain some of the mixed messages and rumors being floated. A few minutes on MidMoGIS and the names of all the property owners are freely available. I think it is a safe bet that the POI is from one of those families.
   ::MonkeyNoNo::  From a local on another forum, I kind of figured the owners of that beautiful home and property had to be someone of prominence in the community.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 11:07:28 AM
when they refuse to give even the basic info, it causes people to become more suspicious, imo.

I know the family of this 15 year old must be reeling, but they can figure out a way to protect them, I think.  Also, this family is going to be dealing with this sooner or later.

This entire situation is f-ed up but LE needs to be assertive and completely in control.  If they don't step up with some info, the control will be taken from them and they'll be floundering to regain it, imo.
From a local that I just posted, if this is indeed a prominent family, that is why all this confusion, if the child was from a not so prominent family I'm sure there would not be such confusion. imo


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:12:39 AM
well, if LE thinks they can shield them, they can't.

This will blow up, imo.

Ya know, the weekend is giving posters the chance to sift through info - and once just a tiny bit is found the rest has come out.

If this had happened during the week and the DA was able to talk to a judge about adult charges, maybe they could've handled it faster.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:17:27 AM
when I called the sheriff, I told the woman that I spoke with that the name of this suspect is floating around.  I gave her the name - she didn't refute it but expressed shock that it was out.

So, the info that I found just tooling around is correct.

FOX and CNN will find it.  No problem.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: N2WISHN on October 25, 2009, 11:18:25 AM
I just took it upon myself (as I have a tendency to do...) to call the Cole County Sheriff's office.

Spoke to a nice lady to let her know that this is starting to come out.

She was concerned and not aware that it was starting to come out.  But thankful to know.

Hopefully, they will figure out how to deal with this today because quite frankly, I already have all the info myself on the 15 y.o. (as I'm sure many people do) as well as her family and a good many of her friends.

Media is going to have this quick if not already, and we've learned from other cases (Haleigh) that some bloggers/self-described media - have a tendency to leak.



Whoever you spoke with must not read the paper or internet cause it's already been talked about in the media.....here's an example.....

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Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning's press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she said “You’d be very surprised.”

Residents said the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 11:18:39 AM
well, if LE thinks they can shield them, they can't.

This will blow up, imo.

Ya know, the weekend is giving posters the chance to sift through info - and once just a tiny bit is found the rest has come out.

If this had happened during the week and the DA was able to talk to a judge about adult charges, maybe they could've handled it faster.
I'm not good at finding stuff at all, and when I started reading some of this stuff, if indeed this is the person, I couldn't believe what was all dug up.  ::MonkeyShocked:: Horrible situation all the way around  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 11:21:12 AM
IF this is a prominent family, did they really think this info wouldn't come out? I can't believe the tweets that have been posted, nothing is private when you twitter, and have a myspace  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:21:49 AM
I just took it upon myself (as I have a tendency to do...) to call the Cole County Sheriff's office.

Spoke to a nice lady to let her know that this is starting to come out.

She was concerned and not aware that it was starting to come out.  But thankful to know.

Hopefully, they will figure out how to deal with this today because quite frankly, I already have all the info myself on the 15 y.o. (as I'm sure many people do) as well as her family and a good many of her friends.

Media is going to have this quick if not already, and we've learned from other cases (Haleigh) that some bloggers/self-described media - have a tendency to leak.



Whoever you spoke with must not read the paper or internet cause it's already been talked about in the media.....here's an example.....

snipped

Several residents from the small town of St. Martins talked to KRCG while in town for the morning's press conference. One resident said, “I don’t think it was provoked.” On the suspect she said “You’d be very surprised.”

Residents said the 15-year-old is a girl, and lived at the house Elizabeth was supposedly coming home from. However, White will not confirm that information.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283




i think they know that, but not that the name of the suspect is out.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 11:22:11 AM
when I called the sheriff, I told the woman that I spoke with that the name of this suspect is floating around.  I gave her the name - she didn't refute it but expressed shock that it was out.

So, the info that I found just tooling around is correct.

FOX and CNN will find it.  No problem.

Jill - is it the KB, GB and AB?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:22:54 AM
IF this is a prominent family, did they really think this info wouldn't come out? I can't believe the tweets that have been posted, nothing is private when you twitter, and have a myspace  ::MonkeyConfused::

I know.  I agree.  That's why I think the sheriff needs to step up so that he can at least APPEAR to have control.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:23:34 AM
when I called the sheriff, I told the woman that I spoke with that the name of this suspect is floating around.  I gave her the name - she didn't refute it but expressed shock that it was out.

So, the info that I found just tooling around is correct.

FOX and CNN will find it.  No problem.

Jill - is it the KB, GB and AB?

do you want me to answer that here?  or email you?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
when I called the sheriff, I told the woman that I spoke with that the name of this suspect is floating around.  I gave her the name - she didn't refute it but expressed shock that it was out.

So, the info that I found just tooling around is correct.

FOX and CNN will find it.  No problem.

Jill - is it the KB, GB and AB?
I'm not Jill, but yes


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:24:16 AM
this is so damn sad. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:25:23 AM
when I called the sheriff, I told the woman that I spoke with that the name of this suspect is floating around.  I gave her the name - she didn't refute it but expressed shock that it was out.

So, the info that I found just tooling around is correct.

FOX and CNN will find it.  No problem.

Jill - is it the KB, GB and AB?
I'm not Jill, but yes

yes.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
i just feel so bad for all of the families.

this is just not something that you ever expect to happen to one of your kids - and definitely not something that you expect your kid to DO.

these poor people.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 11:29:26 AM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 11:34:49 AM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?
I don't know what HFTM is but WS and IS yes, especially WS.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 11:48:47 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Leroy on October 25, 2009, 12:13:22 PM
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watching2 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 AM:
" My heart goes out to the Family's involved...

There are alot of questions by many I am sure..

I think alot more is going to come out in this case, Just too strange that this happen before or right as the report came out,If that is the case how did this person do all this without being spotted as the search was going on by friends and family that night. How did this person "well conceal" the girl alone? The young girl was young but she was not that small of a girl.

Either way I pray everyday for Elizabeths Family and The Accused Teens Family.
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And looking at her pics AB does not look like a *bigger/stonger* girl than most 15 year olds...makes you wonder i guess.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:14:28 PM



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  ::MonkeyNoNo:: To own that beautiful property it just has to be someone prominent, or somewhat prominent.  I'm sure the whole town and surrounding areas know who the perp is, you just can't keep something like that secret.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Leroy on October 25, 2009, 12:14:37 PM
Thank-you. Rumor has it the grave was pre dug  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't even know what to say about that, and I wonder what will happen when they test her, is she mentally ill or plain evil?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

My guess is a little bit of both


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:15:28 PM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.

Someone on twitter already poster that she was the suspect and her account last night.  A noticed from when I found her to when the alligation was made last night her followers went up from the two people she had so others know.

I started digging on the friend on Friday when the news came out and came up with the same family.  Mom has been in and out of jail, Dad is still in jail for drugs, 1st degree assault.  The last child (EA) has a different dad and I think that may have been the friend Elizabeth was visiting.  Grandma took over guardianship of all four kids from her daughter including the one everyone is thinking did this.  The  boys have not been on their myspace accounts since Oct 21.  What is even sadder is they had Elizabeth's older brother as a friend on their myspace accounts.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
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watching2 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 AM:
" My heart goes out to the Family's involved...

There are alot of questions by many I am sure..

I think alot more is going to come out in this case, Just too strange that this happen before or right as the report came out,If that is the case how did this person do all this without being spotted as the search was going on by friends and family that night. How did this person "well conceal" the girl alone? The young girl was young but she was not that small of a girl.

Either way I pray everyday for Elizabeths Family and The Accused Teens Family.

And looking at her pics AB does not look like a *bigger/stonger* girl than most 15 year olds...makes you wonder i guess.
  ::MonkeyEek::  I have not seen any pics of her. Maybe she lured her into the woods, I'm guessing that wouldn't be too hard for a 15 year old to convince a 9 year old to come with her. If this is her, this is one dark girl reading some of the tweets.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:18:13 PM
Thank-you. Rumor has it the grave was pre dug  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't even know what to say about that, and I wonder what will happen when they test her, is she mentally ill or plain evil?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

My guess is a little bit of both
Yes, and maybe toss in drugs, meth is a problem there, pretty much like anywhere else I guess, I read that from some local, and the mom has drug problems, supposedly.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:18:49 PM
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watching2 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 AM:
" My heart goes out to the Family's involved...

There are alot of questions by many I am sure..

I think alot more is going to come out in this case, Just too strange that this happen before or right as the report came out,If that is the case how did this person do all this without being spotted as the search was going on by friends and family that night. How did this person "well conceal" the girl alone? The young girl was young but she was not that small of a girl.

Either way I pray everyday for Elizabeths Family and The Accused Teens Family.

this IS interesting.  I hadn't given any thought as to whether anyone else is involved.

Klaas, regarding the name coming out - I am surprised that LE is so naive that they think it won't.  And if LE is simply protecting an influential family, I think it's completely ridiculous.

NORose - HFTM is HelpFindTheMissing.
Thank-you. Rumor has it the grave was pre dug  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't even know what to say about that, and I wonder what will happen when they test her, is she mentally ill or plain evil?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There was a comment late last night from someone that I have posted a page back that rumour is she did it to see what it felt like  to stab someone.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:20:27 PM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.

Someone on twitter already poster that she was the suspect and her account last night.  A noticed from when I found her to when the alligation was made last night her followers went up from the two people she had so others know.

I started digging on the friend on Friday when the news came out and came up with the same family.  Mom has been in and out of jail, Dad is still in jail for drugs, 1st degree assault.  The last child (EA) has a different dad and I think that may have been the friend Elizabeth was visiting.  Grandma took over guardianship of all four kids from her daughter including the one everyone is thinking did this.  The  boys have not been on their myspace accounts since Oct 21.  What is even sadder is they had Elizabeth's older brother as a friend on their myspace accounts.
Yes, and isn't the dad in prison in CA? I haven't seen any pics, but have noticed a few comments about the boys in the house, kind of scary, I don't know how scary 11 year old boys could be.......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:22:26 PM
What it felt to stab someone.....I said it yesterday, I'll say it again, the music will be partly to blame, sure isn't the first time, and won't be the last time. imo Of course with other excuses, bad homelife, etc....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 12:22:49 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

This is just beyond sad that a 15 yr old girl could do something like this. I am an old woman....what does EMO mean? Never heard of it here in the south.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:22:56 PM
Thank-you. Rumor has it the grave was pre dug  ::MonkeyEek::  I don't even know what to say about that, and I wonder what will happen when they test her, is she mentally ill or plain evil?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

My guess is a little bit of both
Yes, and maybe toss in drugs, meth is a problem there, pretty much like anywhere else I guess, I read that from some local, and the mom has drug problems, supposedly.

The Mom has had many court cases and drugs are the main theme.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
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watching2 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 AM:
" My heart goes out to the Family's involved...

There are alot of questions by many I am sure..

I think alot more is going to come out in this case, Just too strange that this happen before or right as the report came out,If that is the case how did this person do all this without being spotted as the search was going on by friends and family that night. How did this person "well conceal" the girl alone? The young girl was young but she was not that small of a girl.

Either way I pray everyday for Elizabeths Family and The Accused Teens Family.

And looking at her pics AB does not look like a *bigger/stonger* girl than most 15 year olds...makes you wonder i guess.

your right - she looks small for a 15 y.o.

I'm starting to seriously wonder if she had help.  Yuck.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:25:45 PM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.

Someone on twitter already poster that she was the suspect and her account last night.  A noticed from when I found her to when the alligation was made last night her followers went up from the two people she had so others know.

I started digging on the friend on Friday when the news came out and came up with the same family.  Mom has been in and out of jail, Dad is still in jail for drugs, 1st degree assault.  The last child (EA) has a different dad and I think that may have been the friend Elizabeth was visiting.  Grandma took over guardianship of all four kids from her daughter including the one everyone is thinking did this.  The  boys have not been on their myspace accounts since Oct 21.  What is even sadder is they had Elizabeth's older brother as a friend on their myspace accounts.
Yes, and isn't the dad in prison in CA? I haven't seen any pics, but have noticed a few comments about the boys in the house, kind of scary, I don't know how scary 11 year old boys could be.......

I am not sure if he is still in jail in CA but he is still in jail. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 12:26:21 PM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.

Someone on twitter already poster that she was the suspect and her account last night.  A noticed from when I found her to when the alligation was made last night her followers went up from the two people she had so others know.

I started digging on the friend on Friday when the news came out and came up with the same family.  Mom has been in and out of jail, Dad is still in jail for drugs, 1st degree assault.  The last child (EA) has a different dad and I think that may have been the friend Elizabeth was visiting.  Grandma took over guardianship of all four kids from her daughter including the one everyone is thinking did this.  The  boys have not been on their myspace accounts since Oct 21.  What is even sadder is they had Elizabeth's older brother as a friend on their myspace accounts.

Northern - good to see you.

One thing I haven't been able to find is links from her to any friend except one.  Luckily, most of these kids have private myspaces.

I haven't checked her siblings myspaces.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:27:24 PM
Supposedly a fan of Horrorcore Music    While the genre as a whole is not popular with mainstream audiences, performers such as Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid and Necro have sold well.[1] The genre has thrived in Internet culture and sustains an annual "supershow" in Detroit called "Wickedstock".[9] According to the January 2004 BBC documentary Underground USA, the subgenre "has a massive following across the US" and "is spreading to Europe".[9] Horror magazine Fangoria put horrorcore in the spotlight by reviewing the top iconic horrorcore albums. [10]

On September 18, 2009, police arrested Richard Samuel McCroskey III, a 20-year-old horrorcore rapper who goes by the name of "Syko Sam", for suspicion of killing Mark Niederbrock, a pastor in Farmville, Virginia. Niederbrock's body was found along with three others at the scene.[11]
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 12:29:09 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

This is just beyond sad that a 15 yr old girl could do something like this. I am an old woman....what does EMO mean? Never heard of it here in the south.

here, darla:

http://www.luv-emo.com/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
Interresting comment.  Elizabeth wasn't that small.  How would a 15yr old manage to conceal the body?  Was a grave already pre dug?

http://www.**/articles/2009/10/25/news_local/068local02olten09.txt

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watching2 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 AM:
" My heart goes out to the Family's involved...

There are alot of questions by many I am sure..

I think alot more is going to come out in this case, Just too strange that this happen before or right as the report came out,If that is the case how did this person do all this without being spotted as the search was going on by friends and family that night. How did this person "well conceal" the girl alone? The young girl was young but she was not that small of a girl.

Either way I pray everyday for Elizabeths Family and The Accused Teens Family.

And looking at her pics AB does not look like a *bigger/stonger* girl than most 15 year olds...makes you wonder i guess.
   ::MonkeyEek::  I have not seen any pics of her. Maybe she lured her into the woods, I'm guessing that wouldn't be too hard for a 15 year old to convince a 9 year old to come with her. If this is her, this is one dark girl reading some of the tweets.

Her picture is posted on her myspace as well as twitter.  The one she has on twitter looks EMO/Goth or whatever you want to call it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:30:06 PM
Emo (pronounced /ˈiːmoʊ/) is a style of rock music typically characterized by melodic musicianship and expressive, often confessional lyrics. It originated in the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement of Washington, D.C., where it was known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore" and pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace. As the style was echoed by contemporary American punk bands, its sound and meaning shifted and changed, blending with pop punk and indie rock and encapsulated in the early 1990s by groups such as Jawbreaker and Sunny Day Real Estate. By the mid 1990s numerous emo acts emerged from the Midwestern and Central United States, and several independent record labels began to specialize in the style.

Emo broke into mainstream culture in the early 2000s with the platinum-selling success of Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional and the emergence of the more aggressive subgenre "screamo". In recent years the term "emo" has been applied by critics and journalists to a variety of artists, including multiplatinum acts such as Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and disparate groups such as Coheed and Cambria and Panic at the Disco.

In addition to music, "emo" is often used more generally to signify a particular relationship between fans and artists, and to describe related aspects of fashion, culture, and behavior.
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:32:02 PM
 That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:34:16 PM
That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope I don't get in trouble if I describe what she is wearing?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:34:37 PM
I'm wondering if the killer used Elizabeth's phone, since her phone was taken away for two weeks, if she made some calls on it?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Leroy on October 25, 2009, 12:36:30 PM
That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

are you looking at myspace?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:36:47 PM
That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope I don't get in trouble if I describe what she is wearing?
I looked at it early this morning, and I can't even tell you, it was small, and I just figured I was looking at the wrong pic, all I basically saw was dark hair, dark hair like my younger daughter use to dye her hair, to fit the EMO or Goth look.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
That tiny little pic, that's her? Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing  ::MonkeyConfused::

are you looking at myspace?
No, someone on another forum was saying to go to google and put in a tweet from this girl, and I did, and a very tiny pic came up. I am not a twitter/myspace/facebook person so I really don't how to find stuff.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:46:05 PM
so, I haven't been to any other forums today - is this all out at IS, WS, HFTM?

I've seen it around, on WS and other sites.  It will come out and I'm not sure it shouldn't.

Someone on twitter already poster that she was the suspect and her account last night.  A noticed from when I found her to when the alligation was made last night her followers went up from the two people she had so others know.

I started digging on the friend on Friday when the news came out and came up with the same family.  Mom has been in and out of jail, Dad is still in jail for drugs, 1st degree assault.  The last child (EA) has a different dad and I think that may have been the friend Elizabeth was visiting.  Grandma took over guardianship of all four kids from her daughter including the one everyone is thinking did this.  The  boys have not been on their myspace accounts since Oct 21.  What is even sadder is they had Elizabeth's older brother as a friend on their myspace accounts.

Northern - good to see you.

One thing I haven't been able to find is links from her to any friend except one.  Luckily, most of these kids have private myspaces.

I haven't checked her siblings myspaces.

If you search on Myspace with her user name and change the search from people to Myspace you find anywhere her name comes up.  You will find the group she set up , initials G L,  as well as her video channel and other users she has left comments on.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:47:46 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.
   ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, she is a minor I thought that wasn't allowed   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 12:48:21 PM
so, I'm looking at docket entries for the POI's mother.  She was just sentenced to 2 years probation on 9/29/09 for what appears to be an alcohol related crime.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:48:29 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.

That did not take long at all.  I am surprised they would show her pic as she is a minor.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.
  I feel so stupid, because I can't find anything, I guess I'll wait  ::MonkeyConfused::  Scary isn't it a daycare around this girl. You know with anything a lot of kids go through phases, I had the long hair ripped jeans, hippy look going, and listened to all that devil music  ::MonkeyRoll:: My younger daughter with the EMO phase, just a way to hang together and be all depressed. Music, and video games and violent movies, if stuff like that compells you to be violent, that was already in you, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 12:51:42 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

I am not sure a tiny town in the middle of no where is safe anymore after this week.  If you take a look at where Elizabeth lived it looked safe, nice houses and yards, then you dig deeper and SO lived next to her, lots of meth around and she was murdered walking 4 houses home.  Tori Stafford lived in a small town in the middle of no where and did not make it home from school. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:52:32 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.

That did not take long at all.  I am surprised they would show her pic as she is a minor.
I really thought that showing a pic of a minor wasn't allowed, maybe they just slipped it in there  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 12:54:25 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

I am not sure a tiny town in the middle of no where is safe anymore after this week.  If you take a look at where Elizabeth lived it looked safe, nice houses and yards, then you dig deeper and SO lived next to her, lots of meth around and she was murdered walking 4 houses home.  Tori Stafford lived in a small town in the middle of no where and did not make it home from school. 
Very, very true unfortunately  ::MonkeyNoNo:: You are not safe anywhere, I just saw that this morning about a SO right there in the neighborhood.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 12:59:32 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.
   ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, she is a minor I thought that wasn't allowed   ::MonkeyShocked::

He's been trying to look it up again. It showed a picture of Elizabeth, and then a pic of a blonde headed girl looking down (toward a bed) and identified her as Elizabeth. The pic of Eliz was identified as the killer, so the whole thing was wrong. It is gone from their site. The blonde they were showing was the same girl as the MySpace pic for AB.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 01:05:32 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.
   ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, she is a minor I thought that wasn't allowed   ::MonkeyShocked::

He's been trying to look it up again. It showed a picture of Elizabeth, and then a pic of a blonde headed girl looking down (toward a bed) and identified her as Elizabeth. The pic of Eliz was identified as the killer, so the whole thing was wrong. It is gone from their site. The blonde they were showing was the same girl as the MySpace pic for AB.  ::MonkeyConfused::
  Thanks, well there you go I was looking at a dark haired girl, go figure I was looking at the wrong girl  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 01:05:42 PM
I'm thinking that is was snatched right back down. The national media and the local media probably know all about this, they are just not printing or broadcasting it because of the juvenile consequences. What he saw was was in the middle of the night, so maybe not many people saw it.  :smt102


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 01:06:45 PM
I'm thinking that is was snatched right back down. The national media and the local media probably know all about this, they are just not printing or broadcasting it because of the juvenile consequences. What he saw was was in the middle of the night, so maybe not many people saw it.  :smt102
I'll bet that is what happened, because that is not good.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 01:07:17 PM






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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 01:08:13 PM
My son told me he was watching CNN last night and the perps picture was shown there. We haven't talked about this case till this morning. I showed him the MySpace pic of her and he said it was the same girl. It must already be in the national media. He said it was very late when he saw it. I am trying to find something else about it now.
   ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, she is a minor I thought that wasn't allowed   ::MonkeyShocked::

He's been trying to look it up again. It showed a picture of Elizabeth, and then a pic of a blonde headed girl looking down (toward a bed) and identified her as Elizabeth. The pic of Eliz was identified as the killer, so the whole thing was wrong. It is gone from their site. The blonde they were showing was the same girl as the MySpace pic for AB.  ::MonkeyConfused::
  Thanks, well there you go I was looking at a dark haired girl, go figure I was looking at the wrong girl  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Her MySpace pic her hair is at least light brown, if not a little on the blonde side.  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 01:12:53 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

I am not sure a tiny town in the middle of no where is safe anymore after this week.  If you take a look at where Elizabeth lived it looked safe, nice houses and yards, then you dig deeper and SO lived next to her, lots of meth around and she was murdered walking 4 houses home.  Tori Stafford lived in a small town in the middle of no where and did not make it home from school. 

Oh Northern Rose I know it is not safe even in my tiny town...I was just saying that the kids around here are not into the goth and emo stuff...I knew what Goth meant just had never heard of emo. I do not let my grandkids out of my site when they are at my house. I keep my doors and windows locked at all times. It is not safe anywhere now days.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Thanks to all who answered my question. I am so glad I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

This is even more scary when you think about the fact that grandma ran a daycare and all those kids there around this girl.

I am not sure a tiny town in the middle of no where is safe anymore after this week.  If you take a look at where Elizabeth lived it looked safe, nice houses and yards, then you dig deeper and SO lived next to her, lots of meth around and she was murdered walking 4 houses home.  Tori Stafford lived in a small town in the middle of no where and did not make it home from school. 

Oh Northern Rose I know it is not safe even in my tiny town...I was just saying that the kids around here are not into the goth and emo stuff...I knew what Goth meant just had never heard of emo. I do not let my grandkids out of my site when they are at my house. I keep my doors and windows locked at all times. It is not safe anywhere now days.

I didn't know what EMO was either. The article and my son just explained the difference to me between EMO and Goth. Who knew?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
Is there a link somewhere to her myspace page?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Even under such a horrific tragic time, Elizabeth's family was so grateful  ::MonkeyAngel:: My heart goes out to all of them.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 01:20:41 PM
Is there a link somewhere to her myspace page?
I don't know there must be, it seems everyone has seen her, I'm just reading from all over what people are describing about her and her looks.  ::MonkeyConfused:: I'm out of the loop on searching for things.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 01:26:00 PM
Is there a link somewhere to her myspace page?

Darla I am not sure we can post it as she is a minor and has not been named by LE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 01:38:55 PM
Oh Ok Northern Rose.... I just read where everyone was looking at it so thought it had been posted. I am in and out reading when I get a chance. My children's grandmother on their dads side passed away Friday night,and my Mom is sick with the flu, so I have not had much time to read back . Thanks for keeping us updated.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 01:44:13 PM
Oh Ok Northern Rose.... I just read where everyone was looking at it so thought it had been posted. I am in and out reading when I get a chance. My children's grandmother on their dads side passed away Friday night,and my Mom is sick with the flu, so I have not had much time to read back . Thanks for keeping us updated.
Oh Darla, you know my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family  ::MonkeyAngel:: I'm so sorry


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 01:44:20 PM
Oh Ok Northern Rose.... I just read where everyone was looking at it so thought it had been posted. I am in and out reading when I get a chance. My children's grandmother on their dads side passed away Friday night,and my Mom is sick with the flu, so I have not had much time to read back . Thanks for keeping us updated.

I am so sorry about your loss. I hope your Mom feels better. The flu is not fun regardless of which one it is.  Hope you can find some time for yourself so you do not get sick as well. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 01:45:47 PM


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 01:53:39 PM
Thank you guys for your thoughts and prayers. It has been such a very sad week. Grandma was 85 and had lived a very full and happy life. She had been in a nursing home for years bedridden, so we are rejoicing that she is in no more pain and is whole again. We all got to visit with her Friday and say our goodbyes. And my mom seems a little better today.
My heart is just so heavy for the families of Elizabeth and Somer. Such senseless, uncalled for tragedies. God Bless the children.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 02:04:56 PM
I just went and read somewhere else where it looked like they had a bunch of info.

It was only by reading (very carefully, lol) back that I figured out their info was really theories they had come up with.

Crazy how the rumors grow and grow and grow.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 02:05:44 PM
Thank you guys for your thoughts and prayers. It has been such a very sad week. Grandma was 85 and had lived a very full and happy life. She had been in a nursing home for years bedridden, so we are rejoicing that she is in no more pain and is whole again. We all got to visit with her Friday and say our goodbyes. And my mom seems a little better today.
My heart is just so heavy for the families of Elizabeth and Somer. Such senseless, uncalled for tragedies. God Bless the children.
:smt056  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 02:11:24 PM
I've looked and looked at comments this POI has made on others pages.

Except for the twits that she herself left on her twitter - I am not seeing ANY evidence that this girl was depressed or given to dark-thinking.

there is much more to this, imo, than her style of clothing and music.

btw - someone said that she is in to Horrocore music.  I found no evidence of that at all.  In fact, as her myspace is private, there is nothing there re: music that can be viewed.

and on her twitter she has two guys from alternative bands.  Hardly horrorcore.

None of her friends that I've seen so far have been into horrorcore.  And none seem to be goth - just posing as emo's and basically using the whole emo-theme as a fashion thing.  My daughter calls it "scene" and it seems to be the popular thing these days - my own daughter dresses that way.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 02:12:58 PM
darla - my email is protectkidz@yahoo.com if you want me to send you a link to her myspace.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 02:14:57 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 25, 2009, 02:39:17 PM
That Horrorcore Music is wicked stuff.  Never heard of it before even tho I watch all the horror/scarey movie's I can get my hands on so I looked it up.   Wow!  I did see her name on flickster, don't know if it is her tho don't know much about that site.

So all the myspaces are set to private.  The brothers are 12 aren't they?  Funny they have them set at 16 and look like babies. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 25, 2009, 02:46:09 PM
Idk much about this one but from what I read I agree with the poster who said it could be an arguement over the cellphone.  I have not read the article on Huff Post yet tho about the place she was put possibly being done earlier.  That would make this a very different story.

Very sad.  Seems like girls/women are vulnerable at all ages for senseless tragedy.   



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 25, 2009, 02:49:14 PM
Idk much about this one but from what I read I agree with the poster who said it could be an arguement over the cellphone.  I have not read the article on Huff Post yet tho about the place she was put possibly being done earlier.  That would make this a very different story.

Very sad.  Seems like girls/women are vulnerable at all ages for senseless tragedy.   



I agree with you.

Totally off topic, I just love your cat!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 25, 2009, 02:56:59 PM
Thank you Jill. You have nanners! I will catch you guys later tonight. Have 10 million things to do.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 03:00:08 PM
I just found a myspace connection between Dale Olten Jr. - and a friend of a friend of the POI.

I guess that make sense in such a small town.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 03:13:42 PM
Jill, the Horrorcore music interest of the girl, I saw on WS, no idea how this person found a connection, none whatsoever. At this point there are a lot of rumors floating around.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 03:49:29 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::

She appears to be quite petite, and I can't see how she could have gotten Elizabeth in the woods  unless she lured her there. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::

She appears to be quite petite, and I can't see how she could have gotten Elizabeth in the woods  unless she lured her there. JMO
That is the only thing that I can come up with  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Jill, the Horrorcore music interest of the girl, I saw on WS, no idea how this person found a connection, none whatsoever. At this point there are a lot of rumors floating around.

thanks, NORose.  I'm starting to see that theories are taking on a life of their own at some of the forums, lol.

 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 03:55:45 PM
Jill, the Horrorcore music interest of the girl, I saw on WS, no idea how this person found a connection, none whatsoever. At this point there are a lot of rumors floating around.

thanks, NORose.  I'm starting to see that theories are taking on a life of their own at some of the forums, lol.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
Every case this happens, especially when we don't have any info, we don't even know for sure that this girl is the perp.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
ya know, I was watching a vid clip from CNN and they had a map of the house Elizabeth was visiting, and Elizabeth's house - which appeared to be closer into town and the highway.

It also showed where the body was found and it was like halfway between the two houses.

Did CNN have the map right?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 03:57:44 PM
Jill, the Horrorcore music interest of the girl, I saw on WS, no idea how this person found a connection, none whatsoever. At this point there are a lot of rumors floating around.

thanks, NORose.  I'm starting to see that theories are taking on a life of their own at some of the forums, lol.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
Every case this happens, especially when we don't have any info, we don't even know for sure that this girl is the perp.

I think the name is certain per my conversation with the woman at the sheriff's office this morning.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 04:07:02 PM
Jill, the Horrorcore music interest of the girl, I saw on WS, no idea how this person found a connection, none whatsoever. At this point there are a lot of rumors floating around.

thanks, NORose.  I'm starting to see that theories are taking on a life of their own at some of the forums, lol.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
Every case this happens, especially when we don't have any info, we don't even know for sure that this girl is the perp.

I think the name is certain per my conversation with the woman at the sheriff's office this morning.
Thanks, I'm baffled how this seemingly small girl did this, I mean as far as getting Elizabeth into the woods, she may have told her about something she found in the woods, and that is how Elizabeth went into the woods with her?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 04:09:15 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 04:15:53 PM
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Thank you, NORTHERN ROSE.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 04:25:53 PM
Jill, the Horrorcore music interest of the girl, I saw on WS, no idea how this person found a connection, none whatsoever. At this point there are a lot of rumors floating around.

thanks, NORose.  I'm starting to see that theories are taking on a life of their own at some of the forums, lol.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
Every case this happens, especially when we don't have any info, we don't even know for sure that this girl is the perp.

I think the name is certain per my conversation with the woman at the sheriff's office this morning.
Thanks, I'm baffled how this seemingly small girl did this, I mean as far as getting Elizabeth into the woods, she may have told her about something she found in the woods, and that is how Elizabeth went into the woods with her?

or maybe she offered to walk her home and told her it was a shortcut or something?

I don't know.  I'm having an extremely hard time reconciling the face on myspace with someone who can even do something like this.

this girl looks too much like one of my daughter's friends for me to be able to grasp this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 25, 2009, 04:34:06 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Well poop, I still haven't found her  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 04:34:09 PM
I know what you are saying Jill, she is a cute little thing  ::MonkeyShocked:: Hard to grasp this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 25, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Well poop, I still haven't found her  ::MonkeyWaa::

I know this is frustrating. But these are juveniles involved, and until it comes out in the media, there's no way to give a link. Things may be a little different in the next day or so.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 25, 2009, 04:51:27 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Well poop, I still haven't found her  ::MonkeyWaa::

I know this is frustrating. But these are juveniles involved, and until it comes out in the media, there's no way to give a link. Things may be a little different in the next day or so.  ::MonkeyCool::
Oh, I completely understand and agree with not posting juvenilles info., but I am curious from reading the comments.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 05:05:39 PM
people are saying on another forum - as if it's fact - that this person's phone was taken away from them for two weeks.

all i saw was a tweet on her twitter saying that she missed her phone.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 25, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
I finally saw a picture of the girl, if this is indeed the perp, she is a cute girl  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Well poop, I still haven't found her  ::MonkeyWaa::

I know this is frustrating. But these are juveniles involved, and until it comes out in the media, there's no way to give a link. Things may be a little different in the next day or so.  ::MonkeyCool::
Oh, I completely understand and agree with not posting juvenilles info., but I am curious from reading the comments.





your monkey is hysterical - I could watch it all day  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 05:21:10 PM
To everyone:

Although we haven't had a lot of time to keep up with the condolences you are all expressing please know that we do appriciate them. Everyone in the small close community and extended area have really came together to support us and we appriciate it so much. The Family of Elizabeth would like to take a moment to thank everyone who has helped in anyway from the individule prayers to those who searched for Elizabeth. Many donated food and supplies and we would like to thank them as well, If we have forgoten anyone please forgive us and know we appriciate your efforts.


Missouri Missing for constant comfort and assistance to the family

Everyone who volentered to search for Elizabeth

JC Industries & United HRB for donating warm a hundred sweatshirts and hats to shield us from the rain

Mcdonalds for Hundreds of hamburgers they donated to search team

Lowes for donating rain coats and ponchos to the search team

HOB Discount for Batteries, Flashlights, Rain coats and Chairs for search team

Pioneer Elementry for Food

FEMA & The Red Cross for numerous assistance

The Press and Kelly Adrian(Facebook) For assisting to spread the word and anyone else who forwarded emals and text on behalf of the family

The many people who donated food and supplies to the search teams

Everyone for their constant Thoughts and Prayers


http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=find+elizabeth+olten#/topic.php?uid=177698802291&topic=9915


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 05:40:19 PM
The one rumour out there that the grave was dug before Elizabeth went missing I am not buying.  Searchers were in the area twice and could not find anything as she was "very well concealed" per the Sherriff.  Fresh digging and dirt would have been noticed IMO.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 25, 2009, 05:40:29 PM





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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
LizaJo Meyer - We are aware of the Somer Thompson family's situation and we are praying for her family that her killer be found. Luckly Elizabeth's killer is in custody and we pray that the Thompson family have that same small amount of relief soon. May God be with them during this difficult time.

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 05:59:13 PM
i am one of her best friends we were at school on the bus then my friend kendra told me that one of her friends was wacthing the news at home and said that elizabeth was dead so most of the people on our bus (mainly myself kendra,my sister,) got on ...our phones immediatley and called our familys immediatly. when they answered we told them to turn to the news when they told us we broke down we all did when another elamentry scholler got on she said i hope they find her then we satrted crying harder and harder when we had to tell her she absouletly were so enraged by her death yet so sad she looked like she was frozen then after we told her when and where they found she ran off of the bus me and my other friend had to catch her she kicked and bite and punched us that is how much we cared for her agin we couldnt be more sorry

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 06:37:42 PM
people are saying on another forum - as if it's fact - that this person's phone was taken away from them for two weeks.

all i saw was a tweet on her twitter saying that she missed her phone.
That's what I saw also, from a tweet, not a fact, but why would she tweet that if it wasn't a fact?  ::MonkeyConfused:: I really wonder if she made some calls on Elizabeth's phone?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 06:39:13 PM
The one rumour out there that the grave was dug before Elizabeth went missing I am not buying.  Searchers were in the area twice and could not find anything as she was "very well concealed" per the Sherriff.  Fresh digging and dirt would have been noticed IMO.
I agree, unless she put a lot of leaves and that on top of the grave to disguise it?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight.  Looking at tonights guests, I'm sure they will be discussing this case and others recently in the news:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer1025009.jpg)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 25, 2009, 06:51:25 PM
Please no nanner throwing, but yesterday I was kind of on the fence about Elizabeth's family, with the brother's education fund, dad being in prison, etc.

But reading the thanks they have given to the volunteers, LE, all the way down to McDonalds for providing food and the FB message they sent to Somer's family. I am very ashamed of what I was thinking yesterday about Elizabeth's family.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 25, 2009, 06:52:18 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight.  Looking at tonights guests, I'm sure they will be discussing this case and others recently in the news:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer1025009.jpg)
Thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
Please no nanner throwing, but yesterday I was kind of on the fence about Elizabeth's family, with the brother's education fund, dad being in prison, etc.

But reading the thanks they have given to the volunteers, LE, all the way down to McDonalds for providing food and the FB message they sent to Somer's family. I am very ashamed of what I was thinking yesterday about Elizabeth's family.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWaa::



JSM no nanners.  We all have thought wrong things in different cases.  That family does have skeletons that are not hidden.     I truly feel bad for Dale Sr who found out about it by watch the TV in prison.  Regardless of what he has done he should have never found out like that.

You have a huge heart.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 25, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
Please no nanner throwing, but yesterday I was kind of on the fence about Elizabeth's family, with the brother's education fund, dad being in prison, etc.

But reading the thanks they have given to the volunteers, LE, all the way down to McDonalds for providing food and the FB message they sent to Somer's family. I am very ashamed of what I was thinking yesterday about Elizabeth's family.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWaa::



JSM no nanners.  We all have thought wrong things in different cases.  That family does have skeletons that are not hidden.     I truly feel bad for Dale Sr who found out about it by watch the TV in prison.  Regardless of what he has done he should have never found out like that.

You have a huge heart.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Thanks Northern.  ::MonkeyAngel:: My heart is slowly starting to break with all these cases.

I do feel bad for Dale Sr but still can't stop thinking if he had something to do with Jazmine's disappearance. I even thought about that at church today and prayed for him.

I know someone was asking way back would he be able to go to the funeral, usually it depends on the DoC. I know one of my relations was in TDC and was allowed to my great grandmother's funeral. Not sure what he was in for, but it was her grandson so I would assume the Prison would let him go to the funeral of his daughter. I really hope so. JMO JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 07:19:02 PM
i am one of her best friends we were at school on the bus then my friend kendra told me that one of her friends was wacthing the news at home and said that elizabeth was dead so most of the people on our bus (mainly myself kendra,my sister,) got on ...our phones immediatley and called our familys immediatly. when they answered we told them to turn to the news when they told us we broke down we all did when another elamentry scholler got on she said i hope they find her then we satrted crying harder and harder when we had to tell her she absouletly were so enraged by her death yet so sad she looked like she was frozen then after we told her when and where they found she ran off of the bus me and my other friend had to catch her she kicked and bite and punched us that is how much we cared for her agin we couldnt be more sorry

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1
I have now read this three times, is she talking about herself and Kendra and her sister talking to the perp, and the perp kicked and bite and punched?  ::MonkeyConfused::  And thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 07:26:24 PM
i am one of her best friends we were at school on the bus then my friend kendra told me that one of her friends was wacthing the news at home and said that elizabeth was dead so most of the people on our bus (mainly myself kendra,my sister,) got on ...our phones immediatley and called our familys immediatly. when they answered we told them to turn to the news when they told us we broke down we all did when another elamentry scholler got on she said i hope they find her then we satrted crying harder and harder when we had to tell her she absouletly were so enraged by her death yet so sad she looked like she was frozen then after we told her when and where they found she ran off of the bus me and my other friend had to catch her she kicked and bite and punched us that is how much we cared for her agin we couldnt be more sorry

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1
I have now read this three times, is she talking about herself and Kendra and her sister talking to the perp, and the perp kicked and bite and punched?  ::MonkeyConfused::  And thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

I read it as one of the other school mate friends reaction when she found out that Elizabeth had been found dead.  The person posting the message just wanted people to know how upset everyone is.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 25, 2009, 07:32:17 PM
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Well, if this person is tried as a juvi, I hope she gets rehabilitated. When I was a kid there was a girl that killed her mom a couple of towns over. She and her friends made a pact to kill their parents, but she was the only one that went through with it. It was a big deal because she couldn't be tried as an adult back then. Years later, I am bowling with some people and this beautiful girl is with her boyfriend. It was this girl. She shortened her first name and I would have never known it was her. She was nice, kind and had gotten a college degree while in jail.

I hope this offender gets tried as an adult, but if this person doesn't, I hope he/she can get her life in order and be a productive citizen once she is released at 21. JMO JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 25, 2009, 07:34:30 PM
i am one of her best friends we were at school on the bus then my friend kendra told me that one of her friends was wacthing the news at home and said that elizabeth was dead so most of the people on our bus (mainly myself kendra,my sister,) got on ...our phones immediatley and called our familys immediatly. when they answered we told them to turn to the news when they told us we broke down we all did when another elamentry scholler got on she said i hope they find her then we satrted crying harder and harder when we had to tell her she absouletly were so enraged by her death yet so sad she looked like she was frozen then after we told her when and where they found she ran off of the bus me and my other friend had to catch her she kicked and bite and punched us that is how much we cared for her agin we couldnt be more sorry

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1
I have now read this three times, is she talking about herself and Kendra and her sister talking to the perp, and the perp kicked and bite and punched?  ::MonkeyConfused::  And thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

I read it as one of the other school mate friends reaction when she found out that Elizabeth had been found dead.  The person posting the message just wanted people to know how upset everyone is.
That is the way I read it too, just another student that was venting her anger at the news of Elizabeth's death. JMO JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 07:36:16 PM
i am one of her best friends we were at school on the bus then my friend kendra told me that one of her friends was wacthing the news at home and said that elizabeth was dead so most of the people on our bus (mainly myself kendra,my sister,) got on ...our phones immediatley and called our familys immediatly. when they answered we told them to turn to the news when they told us we broke down we all did when another elamentry scholler got on she said i hope they find her then we satrted crying harder and harder when we had to tell her she absouletly were so enraged by her death yet so sad she looked like she was frozen then after we told her when and where they found she ran off of the bus me and my other friend had to catch her she kicked and bite and punched us that is how much we cared for her agin we couldnt be more sorry

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1
I have now read this three times, is she talking about herself and Kendra and her sister talking to the perp, and the perp kicked and bite and punched?  ::MonkeyConfused::  And thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

I read it as one of the other school mate friends reaction when she found out that Elizabeth had been found dead.  The person posting the message just wanted people to know how upset everyone is.

I read it the same as Klaas, a classmate and friend describing the reaction of the kids on the bus when they heard Elizabeth was dead.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 08:38:20 PM
i am one of her best friends we were at school on the bus then my friend kendra told me that one of her friends was wacthing the news at home and said that elizabeth was dead so most of the people on our bus (mainly myself kendra,my sister,) got on ...our phones immediatley and called our familys immediatly. when they answered we told them to turn to the news when they told us we broke down we all did when another elamentry scholler got on she said i hope they find her then we satrted crying harder and harder when we had to tell her she absouletly were so enraged by her death yet so sad she looked like she was frozen then after we told her when and where they found she ran off of the bus me and my other friend had to catch her she kicked and bite and punched us that is how much we cared for her agin we couldnt be more sorry

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=srp&sfxp=&q=elizabeth+olten#/pages/Help-find-elizabeth-Olten/177698802291?ref=search&sid=534422196.165684542..1
I have now read this three times, is she talking about herself and Kendra and her sister talking to the perp, and the perp kicked and bite and punched?  ::MonkeyConfused::  And thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

I read it as one of the other school mate friends reaction when she found out that Elizabeth had been found dead.  The person posting the message just wanted people to know how upset everyone is.
Thank-you, I guess that I need to brush up on my kid talk again, it just wasn't making sense. So terrible for all the friends and school kids, I hope they go to the school counselors that will be available.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 08:40:55 PM
JSM, that is great that the girl turned her life around, I'm skeptical of things like that happening, I'm sure it does in some cases, but I'm afraid some may come out of jail angrier then when they went in.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight.  Looking at tonights guests, I'm sure they will be discussing this case and others recently in the news:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer1025009.jpg)

Click on the link below:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 08:50:18 PM
From myspace.  I am not putting the link to the account as I suspect they really are not 84 years old:

one of my friends turned out to be a serial killer....who would have guessed Mood: disturbed


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 08:50:57 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight.  Looking at tonights guests, I'm sure they will be discussing this case and others recently in the news:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer1025009.jpg)

Click on the link below:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

Thanks for the reminder!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 25, 2009, 09:08:08 PM
Please no nanner throwing, but yesterday I was kind of on the fence about Elizabeth's family, with the brother's education fund, dad being in prison, etc.

But reading the thanks they have given to the volunteers, LE, all the way down to McDonalds for providing food and the FB message they sent to Somer's family. I am very ashamed of what I was thinking yesterday about Elizabeth's family.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWaa::



JSM no nanners.  We all have thought wrong things in different cases.  That family does have skeletons that are not hidden.     I truly feel bad for Dale Sr who found out about it by watch the TV in prison.  Regardless of what he has done he should have never found out like that.

You have a huge heart.   ::MonkeyAngel::



nothing at all to be ashamed of! it was a strange, if not different request to contribute to the brother's education fund...no big deal..most thought that it was not the norm..that's all...not degrading the family in any way...and You do have a huge heart...monkeys have big hearts...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 25, 2009, 09:18:52 PM
Idk much about this one but from what I read I agree with the poster who said it could be an arguement over the cellphone.  I have not read the article on Huff Post yet tho about the place she was put possibly being done earlier.  That would make this a very different story.

Very sad.  Seems like girls/women are vulnerable at all ages for senseless tragedy.   



I agree with you.

Totally off topic, I just love your cat!

Ariana TY she's my babygirl and Welcome to scared monkeys.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 25, 2009, 09:23:50 PM
There's an article out there about the cellphone being found somewhere near Somer and it was transmitting a signal.  IIRC.  I wonder if it was used by the perp also.  I'll try to grab the article and post it in a little while. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 09:35:06 PM
There's an article out there about the cellphone being found somewhere near Somer and it was transmitting a signal.  IIRC.  I wonder if it was used by the perp also.  I'll try to grab the article and post it in a little while. 

I think you meant Elizabeth? 

Police found Elizabeth's body, along with her cell phone, deep in the woods near her home in St. Martins-in an area that had been previously searched by officials and volunteers.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 09:36:22 PM
COLE COUNTY -- Update, Sunday 8:27 p.m.:

Confidential law enforcement sources and St. Martin's residents continue to tell KRCG the suspect to be charged in Elizabeth Olten's death is a 15 year old girl from Elizabeth's neighborhood.

Cole County authorities will not confirm that information.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 09:37:06 PM
There's an article out there about the cellphone being found somewhere near Somer and it was transmitting a signal.  IIRC.  I wonder if it was used by the perp also.  I'll try to grab the article and post it in a little while. 
I read that also, maybe the perp grabbed the cell phone from Elizabeth and ran into the woods, and Elizabeth ran after her to get her phone back, and that is how she ended up in the woods. And then a confrontation happened in the woods?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 25, 2009, 09:47:51 PM
There's an article out there about the cellphone being found somewhere near Somer and it was transmitting a signal.  IIRC.  I wonder if it was used by the perp also.  I'll try to grab the article and post it in a little while. 
I read that also, maybe the perp grabbed the cell phone from Elizabeth and ran into the woods, and Elizabeth ran after her to get her phone back, and that is how she ended up in the woods. And then a confrontation happened in the woods?

could be...but then would it still be considered first degree murder? I would sure rather believe that this 15yr old murdered Elizabeth in a fit of  instant rage rather than planning out her death...either way, Elizabeth is still dead and this 15 yr old is going to jail for a long long time...hopefully..
it is hard to wrap my brain around a 15 yr old girl doing this to another little girl...she has to have mental problems to do this to a child...jmo


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
There's an article out there about the cellphone being found somewhere near Somer and it was transmitting a signal.  IIRC.  I wonder if it was used by the perp also.  I'll try to grab the article and post it in a little while. 
I read that also, maybe the perp grabbed the cell phone from Elizabeth and ran into the woods, and Elizabeth ran after her to get her phone back, and that is how she ended up in the woods. And then a confrontation happened in the woods?

could be...but then would it still be considered first degree murder? I would sure rather believe that this 15yr old murdered Elizabeth in a fit of  instant rage rather than planning out her death...either way, Elizabeth is still dead and this 15 yr old is going to jail for a long long time...hopefully..
it is hard to wrap my brain around a 15 yr old girl doing this to another little girl...she has to have mental problems to do this to a child...jmo
I just don't know, I have been trying to figure out how Elizabeth got in those woods, so I'm just thinking of different ideas of how this perp may have lured her, very confusing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 25, 2009, 10:01:12 PM
COLE COUNTY -- Update, Sunday 8:27 p.m.:

Confidential law enforcement sources and St. Martin's residents continue to tell KRCG the suspect to be charged in Elizabeth Olten's death is a 15 year old girl from Elizabeth's neighborhood.

Cole County authorities will not confirm that information.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283
Thanks


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 10:03:54 PM
One article said the cell phone was found on her body.  That would negate the whole chase theory.  Another article said very very near her body.   I am trying to find those two articles.   I know I posted them.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 10:10:04 PM
15-year-old charged with murder of Mo. girl

ST. MARTINS, Mo. — Juvenile authorities said Saturday that a 15-year-old has been charged with first-degree murder for the death of a 9-year-old central Missouri girl found in the woods two days after she went missing.

Police did not release the teen's gender or name and provided few other details about the person suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten. Cole County Sheriff Greg White has said the teenage suspect is not related to Elizabeth but was acquainted with her and is from the same area just west of Jefferson City.

Several hundred people braved soaking rain and cold weather to search a heavily wooded area near Elizabeth's home after she was reported missing Wednesday evening. Police found Elizabeth's body Friday afternoon after the suspect led them to a wooded area several hundred yards from her St. Martins house, White said.

"We had been in that area — actually more than once. The body was very well concealed," said White, who would not say whether police believed Elizabeth had been killed there.

Under Missouri law, children as young as 12 can be charged as adults with first-degree murder. But the case must start in the juvenile court system while a hearing is held on whether to transfer it to an adult court. Juvenile court records generally are closed under Missouri law unless a judge grants an exception.

Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said the suspect was in the custody of the juvenile justice system and would undergo a background and psychological check. Couty planned to request a hearing next week before a family court judge to determine whether the suspect should be tried as a juvenile or as an adult. That hearing would be closed to the public.


Police initially had said Elizabeth was last seen walking home from a neighbor's house on Wednesday night. White said that timeline was developed through interviews.

But on Saturday, White declined to say whether police believed Elizabeth had started walking home when she encountered the suspect. He said many details could not be released to avoid risking the prosecution's case and because the suspect is a juvenile.

An autopsy was being conducted Saturday to determine the time and cause of death.

Police would not say Saturday whether there had been a confession, nor would they describe the teen's demeanor or offer more details about written documents that led them to the suspect. White also declined to say whether calls had been made from Elizabeth's cell phone, which was found "very, very close" to her.

Police narrowed the primary search area after tracing the phone's general location, but the phone's battery had died by Thursday morning.

The Olten family has received help since Elizabeth's disappearance from Missouri Missing, a group that highlights missing-person cases and provides emergency aid to families. Group spokeswoman Ra'Vae Edwards relayed a request for comment Saturday to Elizabeth's family.

"They don't have anything to say right now other than they're working on arrangements for the funeral," Edwards said, "And they wanted to thank the community for their support and prayers."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6684211.html

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 25, 2009, 10:27:14 PM
Thank you for posting the cell phone articles Northern Rose.  I don't think she would have willingly given up her cell phone jmo.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 10:30:52 PM
Elizabeth Olten, Age 9, Murdered: Juvenile in Custody

Body Found in the Woods
A juvenile is in custody for the murder of Elizabeth Olten. Charges are pending. The teenager led police to Elizabeth's body in the woods near her home according to ConnectMidMissouri.

Anyone with information about the murder of Elizabeth Olten please call the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9100. The tipline to call in information is 1-866-362-6422 and anyone with information may also call America's Most Wanted at 1-800-CRIME-TV.

Elizabeth Olten, age 9, a fourth-grade student at Pioneer Trails Elementary School, has been murdered in Saint Martins, MO. She disappeared after leaving a friend's house at about 6:15 pm for a ¼ mile walk home according to CBS News. She is believed to have disappeared near the Hwy. 50 area according to America's Most Wanted. Saint Martins, west of Jefferson City, is a rural area in Missouri.

When last seen, Elizabeth Olten was wearing blue jeans, white sneakers, a t-shirt with butterflies, a pink sweater, and a pink scarf. She has brown hair and brown eyes. Elizabeth is 5'2 and weighs 108 pounds.

The Cole County Sheriff department was able to ping Elizabeth's cell phone Wednesday night after she disappeared. It was determined that her location then was in woods near her residence. The woods were then searched with thermal imaging radar and an on foot search was also done. When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her. .

The FBI was involved in the search for Elizabeth. A helicopter of the Missouri Highway Patrol has also been used in the search. An Amber Alert was not issued in this case.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2315665/elizabeth_olten_age_9_murdered_juvenile.html?cat=25



This is the article I was looking for :

When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 25, 2009, 10:32:46 PM
Well I finally got a link to her Twitter page and it somehow made me sad. She looks so tiny and facially she looks much younger than her 15 years  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 10:35:49 PM
Thank you for posting the cell phone articles Northern Rose.  I don't think she would have willingly given up her cell phone jmo.



I am not feeling this has anything to do with a cellphone.  I think it is speculation on how she could have gotten Elizabeth into the woods.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Leroy on October 25, 2009, 10:38:19 PM
Elizabeth Olten, Age 9, Murdered: Juvenile in Custody

Body Found in the Woods
A juvenile is in custody for the murder of Elizabeth Olten. Charges are pending. The teenager led police to Elizabeth's body in the woods near her home according to ConnectMidMissouri.

Anyone with information about the murder of Elizabeth Olten please call the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9100. The tipline to call in information is 1-866-362-6422 and anyone with information may also call America's Most Wanted at 1-800-CRIME-TV.

Elizabeth Olten, age 9, a fourth-grade student at Pioneer Trails Elementary School, has been murdered in Saint Martins, MO. She disappeared after leaving a friend's house at about 6:15 pm for a ¼ mile walk home according to CBS News. She is believed to have disappeared near the Hwy. 50 area according to America's Most Wanted. Saint Martins, west of Jefferson City, is a rural area in Missouri.

When last seen, Elizabeth Olten was wearing blue jeans, white sneakers, a t-shirt with butterflies, a pink sweater, and a pink scarf. She has brown hair and brown eyes. Elizabeth is 5'2 and weighs 108 pounds.

The Cole County Sheriff department was able to ping Elizabeth's cell phone Wednesday night after she disappeared. It was determined that her location then was in woods near her residence. The woods were then searched with thermal imaging radar and an on foot search was also done. When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her. .

The FBI was involved in the search for Elizabeth. A helicopter of the Missouri Highway Patrol has also been used in the search. An Amber Alert was not issued in this case.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2315665/elizabeth_olten_age_9_murdered_juvenile.html?cat=25



This is the article I was looking for :

When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her

Thanks Northern.  I am having a hard time trying to figure out how her body was so concealed that the thermal radar didn't even pick it up.  I realize these things aren't 100% reliable but how did a 15 year old pull this off   ::MonkeyConfused:: 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 25, 2009, 10:51:34 PM
Elizabeth Olten, Age 9, Murdered: Juvenile in Custody

Body Found in the Woods
A juvenile is in custody for the murder of Elizabeth Olten. Charges are pending. The teenager led police to Elizabeth's body in the woods near her home according to ConnectMidMissouri.

Anyone with information about the murder of Elizabeth Olten please call the Cole County Sheriff's Department at 573-634-9100. The tipline to call in information is 1-866-362-6422 and anyone with information may also call America's Most Wanted at 1-800-CRIME-TV.

Elizabeth Olten, age 9, a fourth-grade student at Pioneer Trails Elementary School, has been murdered in Saint Martins, MO. She disappeared after leaving a friend's house at about 6:15 pm for a ¼ mile walk home according to CBS News. She is believed to have disappeared near the Hwy. 50 area according to America's Most Wanted. Saint Martins, west of Jefferson City, is a rural area in Missouri.

When last seen, Elizabeth Olten was wearing blue jeans, white sneakers, a t-shirt with butterflies, a pink sweater, and a pink scarf. She has brown hair and brown eyes. Elizabeth is 5'2 and weighs 108 pounds.

The Cole County Sheriff department was able to ping Elizabeth's cell phone Wednesday night after she disappeared. It was determined that her location then was in woods near her residence. The woods were then searched with thermal imaging radar and an on foot search was also done. When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her. .

The FBI was involved in the search for Elizabeth. A helicopter of the Missouri Highway Patrol has also been used in the search. An Amber Alert was not issued in this case.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2315665/elizabeth_olten_age_9_murdered_juvenile.html?cat=25



This is the article I was looking for :

When Elizabeth's body was found, her cell phone was still with her

Thanks Northern.  I am having a hard time trying to figure out how her body was so concealed that the thermal radar didn't even pick it up.  I realize these things aren't 100% reliable but how did a 15 year old pull this off   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

The night she went missing they did try to use thermal radar but said the dense foilage on the trees really inhibited them.  After that I am not sure they get the chopper up again because of the heavy rain.

You are right about how a 15 year old pulled this off.  Lived meters away from the search and did not break, concealed the body so well that two search teams missed it, and still could go on with her normal life until someone turned in the written notes that lead LE to her.  Had those notes not been turned in I wonder if Elizabeth would have been found.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 25, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
oh I missed the second article where the phone was found with her body. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 25, 2009, 11:48:40 PM
Well I finally got a link to her Twitter page and it somehow made me sad. She looks so tiny and facially she looks much younger than her 15 years  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree, she didn't look "evil" on the outside as I expected.....but her tweets were disturbing ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 26, 2009, 08:09:30 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 26, 2009, 08:12:58 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 09:26:35 AM
Teen charged with murder in slaying of 9-year-old

Published: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:24 AM CDT
A 15-year-old has been charged with murder in the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.

The teenager's identity has not been released by law enforcement. The teen is currently being held by the juvenile justice system and is scheduled to receive a psychological evaluation.

Due to the severity of the crime, it is possible the teenager could be charged as an adult. A judge is scheduled to make that determination next week.

The teen is from the same area as Olten, west of Jefferson City.

http://lakeexpo.com/articles/2009/10/26/top_news/05.txt


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 09:27:20 AM
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. -- Jefferson City Board of Education officials will meet Monday to discuss how to handle and discuss the death of Elizabeth Olten.

Olten's body was found in a wooded area Friday. She had been missing since Wednesday, when she was supposed to walk home from a friend's house.

A 15-year-old is in custody for the killing and helped lead police to Olten's body.

Police said Olten knew the suspect.

Olten was a fourth grader at Pioneer Trail Elementary School and Monday the school will hold a special meeting at 10 a.m. to talk about how to help her classmates cope with the loss.

The school said it will have grief counselors on hand and school leaders have said they will do whatever they can to support family and friends affected by this tragedy.

Visitation is planned for Tuesday from 4 to 8 p.m. at Houser-Millard Funeral Home. The funeral is scheduled for Wednesday at 2 p.m. at Concord Baptist Church.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/21425036/detail.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 10:02:07 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW.  Hopefully the Sherriff will release some more information today to stop rumours and speculation once the kids figure out things when they get into school. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW.  Hopefully the Sherriff will release some more information today to stop rumours and speculation once the kids figure out things when they get into school. 
I hope so  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 10:07:48 AM
Community Given Chance To Grieve
with Video

JEFFERSON CITY - Wake and funeral arrangements have been set for 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten, who was found dead Friday after a two-day search.

Authorities say a 15-year-old currently faces first degree murder charges for Olten's death.

Her wake is scheduled for 4-8 p.m. Tuesday at the Houser-Millard funeral home in Jefferson City. The funeral service is at 2 p.m. Wednesday at Concord Baptist Church. According to her obituary, a horse-drawn carriage will take Olten to her final resting place at Hawthorn Memorial Gardens.

Olten was a student at Pioneer Elementary School, and counselors will be available this week to help students, parents, faculty and staff cope.

The Jefferson City Board of Education will host a closed-door meeting at 10 a.m. Monday at 315 East Dunklin Street. Missouri's Sunshine Law validates the closed-door nature due to the circumstances of the situation. Superintendent Brian Mitchell said the meeting is mainly informational, and does not expect any formal decisions to be made.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/90bd5bd7-80ce-0971-0142-f93b21feb002



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 10:16:05 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW.  Hopefully the Sherriff will release some more information today to stop rumours and speculation once the kids figure out things when they get into school. 

good morning, monkeys.

I hope so too, Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 10:55:37 AM
http://obituaries.**/NewsTribune/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=134907883
Obituary

There is a book of condolences at this link as well.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 10:56:48 AM
This is from a local at In Sessions.    ::MonkeyEek::                spacemonkey 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5 
 
There is a definite pall over this area. It's felt like that since last week. The constant grey and rain isn't helping.

The powers that be in town are in full scramble mode. JC is notorious for the local politics resembling a game of 3 card monty.

I'd go so far to say that the name of the suspect is near common knowledge locally by now.

The idiot at the local juvenile facility is already talking to reporters about counseling and such. If it wasn't a female I suspect that would not be the case.
It just chaps my @ss frankly.

I suspect once the circumstances of the case and the ID of the suspect are revealed there is going to be a huge spotlight aimed at JC.
What they find ain't gonna be pretty. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:06:15 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW.  Hopefully the Sherriff will release some more information today to stop rumours and speculation once the kids figure out things when they get into school. 

good morning, monkeys.

I hope so too, Northern Rose.

The closed door school board meeting is in 2 mins.  They have two schools to deal with as well as the rumour mill.  Stuff is getting out already, whether it is friends posting messages on their Myspace or twitter etc, or parents talking. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:13:35 AM
This is from a local at In Sessions.    ::MonkeyEek::                spacemonkey 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5 
 
There is a definite pall over this area. It's felt like that since last week. The constant grey and rain isn't helping.

The powers that be in town are in full scramble mode. JC is notorious for the local politics resembling a game of 3 card monty.

I'd go so far to say that the name of the suspect is near common knowledge locally by now.

The idiot at the local juvenile facility is already talking to reporters about counseling and such. If it wasn't a female I suspect that would not be the case.
It just chaps my @ss frankly.

I suspect once the circumstances of the case and the ID of the suspect are revealed there is going to be a huge spotlight aimed at JC.
What they find ain't gonna be pretty. 


I have found many similar comments posted with new articles. They range from the Prosecutor is the worst lawyer in the state, the Juvenile court person is already talking about rehabilitation and house arrest as there are only 40 beds in the long term facility, there was huge fight involving two highschools end of last year that was swept under the rug, meth issues in the area, and that the family is prominent and politically it would not help the powers that be to be hard on them.  I am hoping all these are just squeaky wheels but with so many I don;t know anymore.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
Please send a prayer and light a candle for Elizabeth

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Liz%20O


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 26, 2009, 11:15:05 AM
Thank-you for all the updates  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW.  Hopefully the Sherriff will release some more information today to stop rumours and speculation once the kids figure out things when they get into school. 

good morning, monkeys.

I hope so too, Northern Rose.

Me too.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:17:59 AM
COLE COUNTY -- Update Monday 8:50 a.m.:

The Jefferson City School Board will meet Monday morning to discuss handling of the death of Elizabeth Olten. The meeting is at 10 a.m.

Funeral services for the 9 year-old will be held at 2:00 p.m., Wednesday, October 28, 2009, at Concord Baptist Church.

Friends will be received from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Tuesday at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home.

Elizabeth will be taken in a horse drawn carriage to Hawthorn Memorial Gardens.

Expressions of sympathy may be made to Missouri Missing in memory of Elizabeth Olten.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:27:58 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:48:51 AM
Jeff City School Officials to Discuss Olten Death
The school board will meet in closed session at 10 a.m.Posted by Matt LeBlanc on Mon Oct 26, 2009

Jefferson City schools officials were scheduled Monday to meet in closed session to discuss the death of one of the district's students.

Elizabeth Olten, 9, was reported missing from St. Martins Wednesday night. After a two-day effort by emergency crews and volunteers to find her, the girl was found dead Friday.

The Jefferson City Board of Education has scheduled a meeting Monday morning at 10 a.m. The only item on the agenda is a "discussion of student matters in light of recent tragic events."

A spokesman for the Jefferson City school district said the meeting would be closed to the public because students' information likely would be discussed.

Prosecutors have charged a juvenile with first-degree murder in the death of Elizabeth, but few other details have been released. Investigators in the case have said they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution of the person allegedly responsible for her death.

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15319&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=City%20of%20Jefferson&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=

 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 11:51:35 AM
Funeral Services Planned for Olten

Funeral services are now planned for Elizabeth Olten.

The body of the 9-year-old girl was found Friday in the woods behind her St. Martins home.

A wake will be Tuesday from 4-8p.m. at the Hauser-Millard funeral home in Jefferson City.

A funeral will be at 2p.m. Wednesday at the Concord Baptist Church.

Olten's body will be transported by a horse drawn carriage from the church to the Hawthorne Memorial Gardens Cemetary after the service.

A spokesperson for the family said they have turned their attention away from the investigation and are remembering Elizabeth.

Meanwhile, the Jefferson City public school board will meet  Monday.

A spokesperson for the district says the board will be discussing student matters in light of her death.

ABC 17 News is still waiting to hear more details about the investigation, but first a hearing to determine if the 15-year old juvenile will be tried as an adult must happen.

As of now, that hearing has not been scheduled.

 

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15315&author=Brynn%20Gingras&category=Crime&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
imo, the people commenting over at the NewsTribune and elsewhere local to Jeff City need to CHILL OUT.

They are completely freaking out.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 11:56:48 AM
Please send a prayer and light a candle for Elizabeth

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Liz%20O
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 12:04:27 PM
imo, the people commenting over at the NewsTribune and elsewhere local to Jeff City need to CHILL OUT.

They are completely freaking out.

Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Due to some of the cases that are still unsolved on our high profile threads, these may be the only truths we see before the whole thing is swept under the rug. IMHO



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 12:07:41 PM
imo, the people commenting over at the NewsTribune and elsewhere local to Jeff City need to CHILL OUT.

They are completely freaking out.

Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Due to some of the cases that are still unsolved on our high profile threads, these may be the only truths we see before the whole thing is swept under the rug. IMHO



that is true, Fannie.  Especially if the judge declines to charge as an adult.

These people, tho, sound like they are about to get ropes and string up the entire family!  I have to wonder how much is truth and how much is anger.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 26, 2009, 12:20:40 PM
do we know for sure that the 15yr old girl on whatever site is truly the juvenile in question? I would hate  if this girl was not a party to this murder but has been falsely accused of it by twitters and other kids postings etc......kwim?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 12:35:53 PM
do we know for sure that the 15yr old girl on whatever site is truly the juvenile in question? I would hate  if this girl was not a party to this murder but has been falsely accused of it by twitters and other kids postings etc......kwim?


Police have not released gender or name.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 12:37:57 PM
do we know for sure that the 15yr old girl on whatever site is truly the juvenile in question? I would hate  if this girl was not a party to this murder but has been falsely accused of it by twitters and other kids postings etc......kwim?


JMO There is too much smoke not to really be a fire. This is a very small place. EVERYONE there knows exactly who it is. I cannot help but think of Lindsay Baums thread, and wonder why there was not the same outcry there in McCleary and Grays County Washington. Sorry, I am not feeling well this morning and these cases are grinding me down.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 12:48:17 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 26, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
do we know for sure that the 15yr old girl on whatever site is truly the juvenile in question? I would hate  if this girl was not a party to this murder but has been falsely accused of it by twitters and other kids postings etc......kwim?


JMO There is too much smoke not to really be a fire. This is a very small place. EVERYONE there knows exactly who it is. I cannot help but think of Lindsay Baums thread, and wonder why there was not the same outcry there in McCleary and Grays County Washington. Sorry, I am not feeling well this morning and these cases are grinding me down.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I totally feel the same way Fanny...gets to ya after awhile doesn't it? so sad ....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
I will say this, I don't feel very confident that the perp is going to get the proper punishment  ::MonkeyEek:: Sure hope I am wrong.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 26, 2009, 01:13:37 PM
I will say this, I don't feel very confident that the perp is going to get the proper punishment  ::MonkeyEek:: Sure hope I am wrong.

especially if she is the girl that has been described as: tiny, cute etc...
she will get sympathy from some just on those traits alone..not fair, but I can see a juror feeling sorry for her if she gets all weepy etc...jmo...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 26, 2009, 01:33:45 PM
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/10/15-year-old_girl_charged_with.php

found this and ddint know if it had been posted or not......God Bless this child...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
I will say this, I don't feel very confident that the perp is going to get the proper punishment  ::MonkeyEek:: Sure hope I am wrong.

especially if she is the girl that has been described as: tiny, cute etc...
she will get sympathy from some just on those traits alone..not fair, but I can see a juror feeling sorry for her if she gets all weepy etc...jmo...
And if she does belong to a family that is somewhat prominent in the area that bothers me as well. I can here the excuses already in my ears, she had a troubled upbringing, she is mentally ill, her mother took drugs while she was pregnant with her, etc, etc.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 01:54:54 PM
The Gaurdians - From behind the scenes
Posted by Truth From Behind The Scenes, JC MO - Monday, October 26, 2009 at 12:34 p.m.
 
The Gardians of the suspect (perhaps the parents are not involved with their childreen at all for one reason or another) helped cover up the crime and said and acted horriable to the Olten family when they were begging for the gaurdians of the suspect for any help they could give. I hope they all are exposed for their true colors. (ps the gaurdians had 3 other small children in the house from Elizabeth's age down to 6yrs old and didn't seem to worried about what the suspect would do to them after completing her first PLANNED OUT murder) This was cold blood premeditated murder. Not an accident or sudden rage.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283

*** There is another post in the comments that Elizabeth was stabbed to death.

<snipped>
RUMOR HAS IT THAT SHE WAS STABBED WITH A BLADE THIS IS ABSOLUTLY UNSPEAKABLE ITS SO FAR PAST WANT TO GET HELP FOR THIS GURL I WANT PURE REVENGE I HOPE THIS LITTLE MONSTER I HOPE ROTS IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!!!!!!! SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND SHE ISNT SORRY OBVIOUSLY IF SHE IS TELLING HER FAMILY HOW SHE DID IT, SHE HAS SHOWN ABSOLUTLY NO REMORSE. JUST SICK!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:06:13 PM
The Gaurdians - From behind the scenes
Posted by Truth From Behind The Scenes, JC MO - Monday, October 26, 2009 at 12:34 p.m.
 
The Gardians of the suspect (perhaps the parents are not involved with their childreen at all for one reason or another) helped cover up the crime and said and acted horriable to the Olten family when they were begging for the gaurdians of the suspect for any help they could give. I hope they all are exposed for their true colors. (ps the gaurdians had 3 other small children in the house from Elizabeth's age down to 6yrs old and didn't seem to worried about what the suspect would do to them after completing her first PLANNED OUT murder) This was cold blood premeditated murder. Not an accident or sudden rage.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283

*** There is another post in the comments that Elizabeth was stabbed to death.

<snipped>
RUMOR HAS IT THAT SHE WAS STABBED WITH A BLADE THIS IS ABSOLUTLY UNSPEAKABLE ITS SO FAR PAST WANT TO GET HELP FOR THIS GURL I WANT PURE REVENGE I HOPE THIS LITTLE MONSTER I HOPE ROTS IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!!!!!!! SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND SHE ISNT SORRY OBVIOUSLY IF SHE IS TELLING HER FAMILY HOW SHE DID IT, SHE HAS SHOWN ABSOLUTLY NO REMORSE. JUST SICK!!!!!!!!!!!

I was reading and saw this too....it s stated to be a rumor...but I am sure people in the area know who and how by now......so it might be true. This 15 yo had to have shown signs in the past of being capable of a terrible deed....were the signs ignored? Did the 15 have a history of violence. And why is the LE not releasing COD?  I hope to hell this person is tried as an adult!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 02:11:48 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:12:30 PM
 I had a coffee with a friend who happens to be very plugged into the local law enforcement.

He said the facts in this case are absolutely horrific. There was most definitely premeditation....think a "thrill kill" kinda thing. There was a knife and strangulation involved....and apparently there was mutilation of the body post death. There is an abundance of physical evidence in the case...including the murder weapon(s). The decision to go with a charge of first degree murder was an easy one.

The ID of the suspect is common knowledge locally. The only folks that don't know are the ones who have consciously avoided the subject.

And as if all that wasn't enough....a popular English teacher at JCHS died suddenly morning. They are bringing in counselors for the students.

I'm beginning to think the whole town needs counseling.
posted by spacemokey at ws.

If the underlined above is true that could be why it's being kept under wraps.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 26, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
The Gaurdians - From behind the scenes
Posted by Truth From Behind The Scenes, JC MO - Monday, October 26, 2009 at 12:34 p.m.
 
The Gardians of the suspect (perhaps the parents are not involved with their childreen at all for one reason or another) helped cover up the crime and said and acted horriable to the Olten family when they were begging for the gaurdians of the suspect for any help they could give. I hope they all are exposed for their true colors. (ps the gaurdians had 3 other small children in the house from Elizabeth's age down to 6yrs old and didn't seem to worried about what the suspect would do to them after completing her first PLANNED OUT murder) This was cold blood premeditated murder. Not an accident or sudden rage.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283

*** There is another post in the comments that Elizabeth was stabbed to death.

<snipped>
RUMOR HAS IT THAT SHE WAS STABBED WITH A BLADE THIS IS ABSOLUTLY UNSPEAKABLE ITS SO FAR PAST WANT TO GET HELP FOR THIS GURL I WANT PURE REVENGE I HOPE THIS LITTLE MONSTER I HOPE ROTS IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!!!!!!! SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND SHE ISNT SORRY OBVIOUSLY IF SHE IS TELLING HER FAMILY HOW SHE DID IT, SHE HAS SHOWN ABSOLUTLY NO REMORSE. JUST SICK!!!!!!!!!!!

I was reading and saw this too....it s stated to be a rumor...but I am sure people in the area know who and how by now......so it might be true. This 15 yo had to have shown signs in the past of being capable of a terrible deed....were the signs ignored? Did the 15 have a history of violence. And why is the LE not releasing COD?  I hope to hell this person is tried as an adult!!

Me too Sunny~anyting else would be a slap in the face of justice....FYI-I stole your panties, hope you don't mind ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::

Hi nrcg...yes, true...however we have to keep remembering none of this is official......but several people posted early on it was a girl and that proved to be true....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:18:04 PM
The Gaurdians - From behind the scenes
Posted by Truth From Behind The Scenes, JC MO - Monday, October 26, 2009 at 12:34 p.m.
 
The Gardians of the suspect (perhaps the parents are not involved with their childreen at all for one reason or another) helped cover up the crime and said and acted horriable to the Olten family when they were begging for the gaurdians of the suspect for any help they could give. I hope they all are exposed for their true colors. (ps the gaurdians had 3 other small children in the house from Elizabeth's age down to 6yrs old and didn't seem to worried about what the suspect would do to them after completing her first PLANNED OUT murder) This was cold blood premeditated murder. Not an accident or sudden rage.
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367283

*** There is another post in the comments that Elizabeth was stabbed to death.

<snipped>
RUMOR HAS IT THAT SHE WAS STABBED WITH A BLADE THIS IS ABSOLUTLY UNSPEAKABLE ITS SO FAR PAST WANT TO GET HELP FOR THIS GURL I WANT PURE REVENGE I HOPE THIS LITTLE MONSTER I HOPE ROTS IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!!!!!!! SHE KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND SHE ISNT SORRY OBVIOUSLY IF SHE IS TELLING HER FAMILY HOW SHE DID IT, SHE HAS SHOWN ABSOLUTLY NO REMORSE. JUST SICK!!!!!!!!!!!

I was reading and saw this too....it s stated to be a rumor...but I am sure people in the area know who and how by now......so it might be true. This 15 yo had to have shown signs in the past of being capable of a terrible deed....were the signs ignored? Did the 15 have a history of violence. And why is the LE not releasing COD?  I hope to hell this person is tried as an adult!!

Me too Sunny~anyting else would be a slap in the face of justice....FYI-I stole your panties, hope you don't mind ::MonkeyKiss::

Why does this crime seem so much more horrific, at least to me? I guess because of the age of the murderer and the secrecy surrounding the details. I think of the families and the pain and all the children this crime has and will touch in so many ways..so senseless!

LOL...no problem I stole the panties from someone else!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 02:22:10 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::

If we are correct as to who this is then it would not surprise me for this to be true.  What had the 15 yr old done to warrant having her cell taken away?  That in itself is more of a punishment on the parents than the teen as they lash out and have hissy fits about it so it had to be something bigger.  I would be shocked if this girl went home and the others in the house did not recognize something was up.  No blood, mud, where have you been? Surely they suspected.  Did Grandma Pull a Cindy and wash the clothes? When were the written notes found?  Was there a delay as this prominent family postured to get legal advice and a lawyer first?  This family is no stranger in having family members dealing with the courts.  Did they want a few last days with their grand daughter? JMO and questions that I have had about all this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 26, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::

If we are correct as to who this is then it would not surprise me for this to be true.  What had the 15 yr old done to warrant having her cell taken away?  That in itself is more of a punishment on the parents than the teen as they lash out and have hissy fits about it so it had to be something bigger.  I would be shocked if this girl went home and the others in the house did not recognize something was up.  No blood, mud, where have you been? Surely they suspected.  Did Grandma Pull a Cindy and wash the clothes? When were the written notes found?  Was there a delay as this prominent family postured to get legal advice and a lawyer first?  This family is no stranger in having family members dealing with the courts.  Did they want a few last days with their grand daughter? JMO and questions that I have had about all this.
I wonder the same thing, how did someone not know that this girl had been up to something,I hope it isnt the case that the rest of family hid things for her, that would be too much.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::

If we are correct as to who this is then it would not surprise me for this to be true.  What had the 15 yr old done to warrant having her cell taken away?  That in itself is more of a punishment on the parents than the teen as they lash out and have hissy fits about it so it had to be something bigger.  I would be shocked if this girl went home and the others in the house did not recognize something was up.  No blood, mud, where have you been? Surely they suspected.  Did Grandma Pull a Cindy and wash the clothes? When were the written notes found?  Was there a delay as this prominent family postured to get legal advice and a lawyer first?  This family is no stranger in having family members dealing with the courts.  Did they want a few last days with their grand daughter? JMO and questions that I have had about all this.

NR, I am behind on a  lot of the details...I had to step away from all the madness for a bit....so please bear with me and my questions....

you say 'prominent family'...I know the name etc...but little details in the family....can you fill me in?  Are they indeed a prominent family? Political?  Also any clues as to what was in the written messages and who they were written by and who brought them to LE's attention?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 26, 2009, 02:38:04 PM
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::MonkeyWaa:: just so heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::

If we are correct as to who this is then it would not surprise me for this to be true.  What had the 15 yr old done to warrant having her cell taken away?  That in itself is more of a punishment on the parents than the teen as they lash out and have hissy fits about it so it had to be something bigger.  I would be shocked if this girl went home and the others in the house did not recognize something was up.  No blood, mud, where have you been? Surely they suspected.  Did Grandma Pull a Cindy and wash the clothes? When were the written notes found?  Was there a delay as this prominent family postured to get legal advice and a lawyer first?  This family is no stranger in having family members dealing with the courts.  Did they want a few last days with their grand daughter? JMO and questions that I have had about all this.

NR, I am behind on a  lot of the details...I had to step away from all the madness for a bit....so please bear with me and my questions....

you say 'prominent family'...I know the name etc...but little details in the family....can you fill me in?  Are they indeed a prominent family? Political?  Also any clues as to what was in the written messages and who they were written by and who brought them to LE's attention?

Used the word prominent based on what locals are saying and how they are describing them. Seems most know who they are and they are not "needing" by looking at the house that they built.  As for the messages nothing more has been stated other than written notes were given to LE, we do know they were given to LE by a juvenile, but not the POI.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:41:23 PM
I had a coffee with a friend who happens to be very plugged into the local law enforcement.

He said the facts in this case are absolutely horrific. There was most definitely premeditation....think a "thrill kill" kinda thing. There was a knife and strangulation involved....and apparently there was mutilation of the body post death. There is an abundance of physical evidence in the case...including the murder weapon(s). The decision to go with a charge of first degree murder was an easy one.

The ID of the suspect is common knowledge locally. The only folks that don't know are the ones who have consciously avoided the subject.

And as if all that wasn't enough....a popular English teacher at JCHS died suddenly morning. They are bringing in counselors for the students.

I'm beginning to think the whole town needs counseling.
posted by spacemokey at ws.

If the underlined above is true that could be why it's being kept under wraps.

Note: self-edit...this was posted at IS not ws


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:44:19 PM


NR, I am behind on a  lot of the details...I had to step away from all the madness for a bit....so please bear with me and my questions....

you say 'prominent family'...I know the name etc...but little details in the family....can you fill me in?  Are they indeed a prominent family? Political?  Also any clues as to what was in the written messages and who they were written by and who brought them to LE's attention?

Used the word prominent based on what locals are saying and how they are describing them. Seems most know who they are and they are not "needing" by looking at the house that they built.  As for the messages nothing more has been stated other than written notes were given to LE, we do know they were given to LE by a juvenile, but not the POI.

Thanks NR...I guess I am more caught up than I thought.  I saw the photo of the house....from afar and some of the other details...seems they aren't needy...but would love to know more about who they really are, what they do etc. All in good time I suppose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 02:46:34 PM
Report: Missouri Public Defenders 'In Crisis Mode'
A report published Monday cites struggles within the Missouri Public Defender Program.Posted by Matt LeBlanc on Mon Oct 26, 2009
Last updated 34 min ago

Missouri's public defender system is "in crisis," according to a report published Monday, and there appears to be no end in sight.

The report, commissioned for a task force at the Missouri Bar, cites financial and morale problems throughout the Missouri State Public Defender System. Authors of the report say the system is on the verge of collapse unless caseloads are cut and money is put into the system.

"Public defenders throughout the state are struggling on a daily basis with a frequent exodus of colleagues, low salaries and low morale," according to the report from The Spangenberg Group at George Mason University.

"There appears to be no end in sight."
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15320&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Politics&franchise=&county=&city=&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 02:48:52 PM
Jefferson City Schools' Statement on Elizabeth Olten's Death

JEFFERSON CITY - The Jefferson City Public Schools released a statement about the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten today.

The Jefferson City Public Schools system released a statement about the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten today. Follow the link on the left to their Web site to view the statement http://www.jcps.k12.mo.us/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1 and available support services for friends and family. The text oif the statement can also be found below.

CONTACT DAVID LUTHER FOR FURTHER INFORMATION AT 659-3018
October 26, 2009

District Statement:  Death of Elizabeth Olten

We are deeply saddened by the tragic death of Elizabeth Olten.  This is a strong, compassionate and caring community that will not be defined by this senseless act.  As a school district, we work each day to address the issues that are relevant to the educational environment, and to provide support to our students, our families, and our staff. 

It is important that our community know that this incident did not take place on school property and it was not school related. All aspects of the crime and criminal activity should be referred to the juvenile authorities.

The school district will continue to offer additional counseling for students.  The district Web site also lists several local counseling agencies should families need assistance:  www.jcps.k12.m.us.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/9214f759-80ce-0971-014f-37c3bfac2008



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 26, 2009, 02:55:54 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:00:29 PM

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
Jefferson City Schools' Statement on Elizabeth Olten's Death

JEFFERSON CITY - The Jefferson City Public Schools released a statement about the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten today.

The Jefferson City Public Schools system released a statement about the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten today. Follow the link on the left to their Web site to view the statement http://www.jcps.k12.mo.us/education/district/district.php?sectionid=1 and available support services for friends and family. The text oif the statement can also be found below.

CONTACT DAVID LUTHER FOR FURTHER INFORMATION AT 659-3018
October 26, 2009

District Statement:  Death of Elizabeth Olten

We are deeply saddened by the tragic death of Elizabeth Olten.  This is a strong, compassionate and caring community that will not be defined by this senseless act.  As a school district, we work each day to address the issues that are relevant to the educational environment, and to provide support to our students, our families, and our staff. 

It is important that our community know that this incident did not take place on school property and it was not school related. All aspects of the crime and criminal activity should be referred to the juvenile authorities.

The school district will continue to offer additional counseling for students.  The district Web site also lists several local counseling agencies should families need assistance:  www.jcps.k12.m.us.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/9214f759-80ce-0971-014f-37c3bfac2008



I bet their phone lines have been clogged with calls from parents.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:02:31 PM
do we have this?  go down to Munchkin's post and read about 2 juveniles.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:jsjrJnSKGY0J:community.babycenter.com/post/a17243685/another_child_murdered...unbelievable_sadness+%22olten%22+patty&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:08:07 PM

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:12:51 PM
Jill or anyone else who was looking up court cases in MO, did you happen to get screen shots of the cases that Grandma was a party in?  I went in this morning to check on an address and they are all GONE except two : getting money from bio dad (the one with the salad name)  who is in jail, and the guardianship of the last child from different bio dad.  Public records have gone poof!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:22:09 PM
Counselors Provided to Grieving Jeff City Schools
School officials met in closed session Monday to discuss the death of Elizabeth Olten,

Schools Provide Counselors
Grief Counselors will be on hand in Jefferson City schools as students grieve over the loss of Elizabeth Olten, 9. The girl was a student in the school district and was found dead Friday in St. Martins. School officials referred all other questions to law enforcement authorities. 

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15319&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=City%20of%20Jefferson&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:23:06 PM
Jill or anyone else who was looking up court cases in MO, did you happen to get screen shots of the cases that Grandma was a party in?  I went in this morning to check on an address and they are all GONE except two : getting money from bio dad (the one with the salad name)  who is in jail, and the guardianship of the last child from different bio dad.  Public records have gone poof!   ::MonkeyConfused::

I did NOT get screen shots, Northern.

They better remove the last child records too, if they have grandmom's name on them, ya know?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 26, 2009, 03:28:30 PM



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 ::MonkeyEek::  Those poor kids in that school.  The district did not mention anything about counselling for the kids that went to school with the POI.  Wonder if now that a teacher is dead, if they will offer it?


Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest.

The most sickening thought just crossed my mind reading this. I hope this teacher was not involved with this 15 yr old child. It seems to be happening more and more.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Jill or anyone else who was looking up court cases in MO, did you happen to get screen shots of the cases that Grandma was a party in?  I went in this morning to check on an address and they are all GONE except two : getting money from bio dad (the one with the salad name)  who is in jail, and the guardianship of the last child from different bio dad.  Public records have gone poof!   ::MonkeyConfused::

I did NOT get screen shots, Northern.

They better remove the last child records too, if they have grandmom's name on them, ya know?

Anything that had AB's name on it is gone.  Gee, wonder why that would be?   ::MonkeyRoll::  The second guardianship case only listed the one child not AB.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:32:40 PM
this is the atty who handled the custody issue for the younger child:

http://yellowpages.superpages.com/reviews/userreviews.jsp?SRC=sebpg&EG=2&LID=DdsDJOB4fhvBV29TqymCaQ%3D%3D&PI=1&attres=true&lrv=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 03:33:20 PM
I had a coffee with a friend who happens to be very plugged into the local law enforcement.

He said the facts in this case are absolutely horrific. There was most definitely premeditation....think a "thrill kill" kinda thing. There was a knife and strangulation involved....and apparently there was mutilation of the body post death. There is an abundance of physical evidence in the case...including the murder weapon(s). The decision to go with a charge of first degree murder was an easy one.

The ID of the suspect is common knowledge locally. The only folks that don't know are the ones who have consciously avoided the subject.

And as if all that wasn't enough....a popular English teacher at JCHS died suddenly morning. They are bringing in counselors for the students.

I'm beginning to think the whole town needs counseling.
posted by spacemokey at ws.

If the underlined above is true that could be why it's being kept under wraps.
This is one evil girl they have to deal with, lets hope she will be dealt with properly, I'm not going to listen to anykind of mental health treatment to rehabilitate her crap. Bad Seed


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:33:37 PM


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 ::MonkeyEek::  Those poor kids in that school.  The district did not mention anything about counselling for the kids that went to school with the POI.  Wonder if now that a teacher is dead, if they will offer it?


Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest.

The most sickening thought just crossed my mind reading this. I hope this teacher was not involved with this 15 yr old child. It seems to be happening more and more.

That crossed my mind as well.  This teacher would have taught in the POI's school.  He had to know what was going on.  Why choose now to use a firearm to committ suicide?  Either really bad timing or something more is going on.  You would think he would want to be there to support his students knowing what has happend and how confusing and scary this must be for them.  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:35:10 PM
Jill or anyone else who was looking up court cases in MO, did you happen to get screen shots of the cases that Grandma was a party in?  I went in this morning to check on an address and they are all GONE except two : getting money from bio dad (the one with the salad name)  who is in jail, and the guardianship of the last child from different bio dad.  Public records have gone poof!   ::MonkeyConfused::

I did NOT get screen shots, Northern.

They better remove the last child records too, if they have grandmom's name on them, ya know?

Anything that had AB's name on it is gone.  Gee, wonder why that would be?   ::MonkeyRoll::  The second guardianship case only listed the one child not AB.

yes, you're right - and you can't get AB's name nor her mother's name (which is in the youngest child's docket) from the assesor's.

BUT, if someone ran the grandmom's name, they would have the youngest child.

I feel they should be protecting her, too.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 03:35:43 PM
WOW if that is true, not only if it is true about how Elizabeth was killed, but covering up the crime as well  ::MonkeyShocked::

If we are correct as to who this is then it would not surprise me for this to be true.  What had the 15 yr old done to warrant having her cell taken away?  That in itself is more of a punishment on the parents than the teen as they lash out and have hissy fits about it so it had to be something bigger.  I would be shocked if this girl went home and the others in the house did not recognize something was up.  No blood, mud, where have you been? Surely they suspected.  Did Grandma Pull a Cindy and wash the clothes? When were the written notes found?  Was there a delay as this prominent family postured to get legal advice and a lawyer first?  This family is no stranger in having family members dealing with the courts.  Did they want a few last days with their grand daughter? JMO and questions that I have had about all this.
Great question, maybe the girl had a set of clean clothes hidden before she went back into the house? Do wander why her phone was taken away.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:37:04 PM
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 ::MonkeyEek::  Those poor kids in that school.  The district did not mention anything about counselling for the kids that went to school with the POI.  Wonder if now that a teacher is dead, if they will offer it?


Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest.

The most sickening thought just crossed my mind reading this. I hope this teacher was not involved with this 15 yr old child. It seems to be happening more and more.

I thought the same thing when I read that it may be a suicide.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 03:37:13 PM
Report: Missouri Public Defenders 'In Crisis Mode'
A report published Monday cites struggles within the Missouri Public Defender Program.Posted by Matt LeBlanc on Mon Oct 26, 2009
Last updated 34 min ago

Missouri's public defender system is "in crisis," according to a report published Monday, and there appears to be no end in sight.

The report, commissioned for a task force at the Missouri Bar, cites financial and morale problems throughout the Missouri State Public Defender System. Authors of the report say the system is on the verge of collapse unless caseloads are cut and money is put into the system.

"Public defenders throughout the state are struggling on a daily basis with a frequent exodus of colleagues, low salaries and low morale," according to the report from The Spangenberg Group at George Mason University.

"There appears to be no end in sight."
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15320&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Politics&franchise=&county=&city=&partner=
  WTH


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:38:24 PM
I had a coffee with a friend who happens to be very plugged into the local law enforcement.

He said the facts in this case are absolutely horrific. There was most definitely premeditation....think a "thrill kill" kinda thing. There was a knife and strangulation involved....and apparently there was mutilation of the body post death. There is an abundance of physical evidence in the case...including the murder weapon(s). The decision to go with a charge of first degree murder was an easy one.

The ID of the suspect is common knowledge locally. The only folks that don't know are the ones who have consciously avoided the subject.

And as if all that wasn't enough....a popular English teacher at JCHS died suddenly morning. They are bringing in counselors for the students.

I'm beginning to think the whole town needs counseling.
posted by spacemokey at ws.

If the underlined above is true that could be why it's being kept under wraps.
This is one evil girl they have to deal with, lets hope she will be dealt with properly, I'm not going to listen to anykind of mental health treatment to rehabilitate her crap. Bad Seed

I think it is going to be worse than that.  The one article that the Juvi guy was listing different possible options in his county, he made it clear that there were only 40 beds in the long term Juvi offender centre and they only take new inmates if  there is room.  He also stated that monitored home supervision with scheduled counseling has been successful.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
I have a 14 year old and as much as I have been tempted, I don't take away her phone to punish her because that it my connection to her when she is out and about.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
Jill or anyone else who was looking up court cases in MO, did you happen to get screen shots of the cases that Grandma was a party in?  I went in this morning to check on an address and they are all GONE except two : getting money from bio dad (the one with the salad name)  who is in jail, and the guardianship of the last child from different bio dad.  Public records have gone poof!   ::MonkeyConfused::
They were talking about that on WS, how can they make the public records not public?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 03:46:56 PM
I had a coffee with a friend who happens to be very plugged into the local law enforcement.

He said the facts in this case are absolutely horrific. There was most definitely premeditation....think a "thrill kill" kinda thing. There was a knife and strangulation involved....and apparently there was mutilation of the body post death. There is an abundance of physical evidence in the case...including the murder weapon(s). The decision to go with a charge of first degree murder was an easy one.

The ID of the suspect is common knowledge locally. The only folks that don't know are the ones who have consciously avoided the subject.

And as if all that wasn't enough....a popular English teacher at JCHS died suddenly morning. They are bringing in counselors for the students.

I'm beginning to think the whole town needs counseling.
posted by spacemokey at ws.

If the underlined above is true that could be why it's being kept under wraps.
This is one evil girl they have to deal with, lets hope she will be dealt with properly, I'm not going to listen to anykind of mental health treatment to rehabilitate her crap. Bad Seed

I think it is going to be worse than that.  The one article that the Juvi guy was listing different possible options in his county, he made it clear that there were only 40 beds in the long term Juvi offender centre and they only take new inmates if  there is room.  He also stated that monitored home supervision with scheduled counseling has been successful.   ::MonkeyMad::
   ::MonkeyEek::  I read that, but in a case like this, they better move in another da_n bed  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 03:51:57 PM
What a day and it is not over:

School makes statement this did not happen on school property and lists counseling agencies for thouse that went to school with Elizabeth, does not mention anything about POI school

Teacher who taught at POI school found dead this morning with a firearm

Records on Case net have gone poof for Grandma getting guardianship of POI and brothers

Public defenders office in MO is in crisis with no staff or money


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 03:54:09 PM
Jill or anyone else who was looking up court cases in MO, did you happen to get screen shots of the cases that Grandma was a party in?  I went in this morning to check on an address and they are all GONE except two : getting money from bio dad (the one with the salad name)  who is in jail, and the guardianship of the last child from different bio dad.  Public records have gone poof!   ::MonkeyConfused::
They were talking about that on WS, how can they make the public records not public?

it's starting to seem that Jefferson City, Missouri dances to the beat of it's own drummer.

(did I just mix my metaphors?)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 03:59:33 PM
What a day and it is not over:

School makes statement this did not happen on school property and lists counseling agencies for thouse that went to school with Elizabeth, does not mention anything about POI school

Teacher who taught at POI school found dead this morning with a firearm

Records on Case net have gone poof for Grandma getting guardianship of POI and brothers

Public defenders office in MO is in crisis with no staff or money
   ::MonkeyEek::  I never even thought about the teacher's suicide and a connection to the teen, OMG let's hope not   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 26, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
What a day and it is not over:

School makes statement this did not happen on school property and lists counseling agencies for thouse that went to school with Elizabeth, does not mention anything about POI school

Teacher who taught at POI school found dead this morning with a firearm

Records on Case net have gone poof for Grandma getting guardianship of POI and brothers

Public defenders office in MO is in crisis with no staff or money

WTF?????????? This sounds worse and worse every hour ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 04:06:43 PM
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Bill Currie was born William Currie II on January 16, 1944. He was born in Memphis, Tennessee. Bill Currie is an Author and an adventurer. He co-wrote "Shoot to Win" (1985) with John Shaw. He is also the author of "Hot Stuff and the Broad Street Boys" (1988). He currently works as the Journalism advisor at Jefferson City High School (JCHS) in Jefferson City, MO. He started his work at JCHS as a Truancy Officer.


Early Years: Before Bill Currie's career as an educator, he worked as a Theology major and a re-knowned Preacher at the Church of Latter Day Saints in Nashville, TN. Bill Currie also engaged in many protests for civil rights in his earlier years.

Love Life: Bill Currie may sometimes be called a James Bond of his time. He has had five wives, but is currently widowed living a life of seclusion with his one and only true love, Molly the dog.

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 26, 2009, 04:10:08 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:13:47 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

if you want, you can email me at protectkidz@yahoo.com.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:15:54 PM
sounds like Bill Currie had quite a life.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

here is my throw away email  throwawaymonkey@gmail.com


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:18:04 PM
here is his teacher page on the JeffersonHigh website.

http://www.jcps.k12.mo.us/education/staff/staff.php?sectionid=503&


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
sounds like Bill Currie had quite a life.

yes he does.  I hope Molly the dog goes to a loving home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
never mind that link I just posted - there seems to be no real con tent on Bill Currie's teacher page - looks like it was wiped.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 04:24:32 PM
never mind that link I just posted - there seems to be no real con tent on Bill Currie's teacher page - looks like it was wiped.

just like case net.  Seems like today is cleaning day .


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
It seems to me having the Meeting today of the school board was a little late. It should have been held over the weekend so that plans would be in place by Monday morning when to students  got back to school. No mentioning counselors for the High School yet reeks of cover up.

Seems like the folks on the NT site knew of what they speak. Blocking of public records does it for me! Another day without real info from LE is just fueling the fires. There seems to be no one in control of information and it is CYA time. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tams on October 26, 2009, 04:29:07 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 04:37:33 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103

I totally smell the same thing.  Considering what he taught (english and journalism) and was head of I am wondering if our POI wrote a detailed story as an assignment that came true?  LE did say hand written notes were given to them by a 3rd juvenile which then lead them to the POI.  Could have been another student just as likely as one of her siblings.  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 04:37:33 PM
never mind that link I just posted - there seems to be no real con tent on Bill Currie's teacher page - looks like it was wiped.

just like case net.  Seems like today is cleaning day .
  WTH why?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 26, 2009, 04:37:47 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

here is my throw away email  throwawaymonkey@gmail.com



me to I have tried for the life of me to fiqure it out , did the twitter thing that didnt work


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
It seems to me having the Meeting today of the school board was a little late. It should have been held over the weekend so that plans would be in place by Monday morning when to students  got back to school. No mentioning counselors for the High School yet reeks of cover up.

Seems like the folks on the NT site knew of what they speak. Blocking of public records does it for me! Another day without real info from LE is just fueling the fires. There seems to be no one in control of information and it is CYA time. JMO

I feel the same way.

Counselors should have been there when the kids walked through the door.  Hope they were.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
never mind that link I just posted - there seems to be no real con tent on Bill Currie's teacher page - looks like it was wiped.

just like case net.  Seems like today is cleaning day .
  WTH why?

maybe there's some indication that there won't be adult charges?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

here is my throw away email  throwawaymonkey@gmail.com



me to I have tried for the life of me to fiqure it out , did the twitter thing that didnt work

send me an email please


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tams on October 26, 2009, 04:50:04 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103

I totally smell the same thing.  Considering what he taught (english and journalism) and was head of I am wondering if our POI wrote a detailed story as an assignment that came true?  LE did say hand written notes were given to them by a 3rd juvenile which then lead them to the POI.  Could have been another student just as likely as one of her siblings.  JMO

Indeed, NorthernRose - we are thinking alike on this one. He knew something that could have prevented this murder . . . IMO. The writing assignment is precisely what I had been thinking, too - or at least something in that scope. SOMEHOW, he knew something. And he felt responsible for not acting on it.

Sounds like he was in his late 70's . . . hard for me to imagine a 'sordid relationship' with the teenage girl - LOL. But, I suppose one never knows . . . . Egads.  :smt101


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 26, 2009, 04:50:26 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

if you want, you can email me at protectkidz@yahoo.com.

Hi Jill you have nanners!

thanks!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 26, 2009, 04:52:28 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103

I totally smell the same thing.  Considering what he taught (english and journalism) and was head of I am wondering if our POI wrote a detailed story as an assignment that came true?  LE did say hand written notes were given to them by a 3rd juvenile which then lead them to the POI.  Could have been another student just as likely as one of her siblings.  JMO
Northern I asked that question the other night. If a teacher could have given LE the letters or knew about the letters. Now this teacher kills himself? Kind of crazy if you ask me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 04:52:30 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

if you want, you can email me at protectkidz@yahoo.com.

Hi Jill you have nanners!

thanks!

oops, sorry - it went in my spam.

nanners back, Tracygirl.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 26, 2009, 04:53:41 PM
The teacher was a journalism teacher, a scenario could be he was her teacher and she had wrote of doing something like this but he didn't take her seriously. Can you imagine the guilt one would feel? Or of course the two events have nothing to do with each other.  I guess we will have to see what comes out.   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 26, 2009, 04:54:02 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

here is my throw away email  throwawaymonkey@gmail.com



me to I have tried for the life of me to fiqure it out , did the twitter thing that didnt work

send me an email please

Thanks I finally found out who it was AB , I google the twitter a different way


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tams on October 26, 2009, 04:58:36 PM
Can I ask a question, do you all have access some how to information about the POI?

here is my throw away email  throwawaymonkey@gmail.com



me to I have tried for the life of me to fiqure it out , did the twitter thing that didnt work

Hi there Walter (Please don't bite! LOL)

I finally got it to work early this morning - was frustrated and feeling left out as well.

Here's what worked for me:
Cut & paste the quote (misspellings & all!) from Twitter that has been attributed to the POI: "addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction" - BE SURE to include the quotation marks.
Then type in + Twitter. Search. Voila.

Hope it works for you!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 26, 2009, 05:01:32 PM
got it it worked ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 26, 2009, 05:25:46 PM
The teacher was a journalism teacher, a scenario could be he was her teacher and she had wrote of doing something like this but he didn't take her seriously. Can you imagine the guilt one would feel? Or of course the two events have nothing to do with each other.  I guess we will have to see what comes out.   

Makes perfect sense.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 05:37:02 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 05:39:24 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 05:43:55 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 05:47:45 PM
hey - wouldn't kidnapping charges apply if she was moved even one step by force?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 26, 2009, 05:49:45 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.

Jill that is something that bothered me...when the LE made a statement Friday or Sat. they said something about this happening about the time that she was being reported missing or something to that effect. Made me think maybe she was still alive while they were looking for her. This is just so confusing..... How she got Elizabeth into the woods, killed her and concealed her so well in that short amount of time and got back home without being seen. Just seems impossible to me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 26, 2009, 05:56:37 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103

I totally smell the same thing.  Considering what he taught (english and journalism) and was head of I am wondering if our POI wrote a detailed story as an assignment that came true?  LE did say hand written notes were given to them by a 3rd juvenile which then lead them to the POI.  Could have been another student just as likely as one of her siblings.  JMO

Indeed, NorthernRose - we are thinking alike on this one. He knew something that could have prevented this murder . . . IMO. The writing assignment is precisely what I had been thinking, too - or at least something in that scope. SOMEHOW, he knew something. And he felt responsible for not acting on it.

Sounds like he was in his late 70's . . . hard for me to imagine a 'sordid relationship' with the teenage girl - LOL. But, I suppose one never knows . . . . Egads.  :smt101

snipped from the article provided about Mr. Currie:
Bill Currie was born William Currie II on January 16, 1944. makes him 65...
maybe not a sordid relationship but more of a grandfatherish relationship?dunno...
somehow I feel that this is all tied in together ....and I agree that he felt responsible for not acting on what he knew...xxx


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 26, 2009, 06:01:55 PM
NoRose...you have mail... thanks!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 26, 2009, 06:03:07 PM
hey - wouldn't kidnapping charges apply if she was moved even one step by force?

I would think so, it really depends on the state.....remember OJ was convicted of kidnapping by just luring the victims and holding them in the hotel room.......hate that for him ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.

Jill that is something that bothered me...when the LE made a statement Friday or Sat. they said something about this happening about the time that she was being reported missing or something to that effect. Made me think maybe she was still alive while they were looking for her. This is just so confusing..... How she got Elizabeth into the woods, killed her and concealed her so well in that short amount of time and got back home without being seen. Just seems impossible to me.

http://www.kctv5.com/video/21408339/index.html

Here is the full press conference where Sherriff White talks about finding Elizabeth.
Prior to this presser the  Sheriff constantly said there were "no signs of foul play" and at one point even said they were not sure she was even in the area anymore.  That has to be one very smart 15 year old to outwit the Sheriff.  Had the other juvenile not given LE the written notes who knows where the investigation would be today.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:14:36 PM
NoRose...you have mail... thanks!

you have mail now.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 06:15:45 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.

Jill that is something that bothered me...when the LE made a statement Friday or Sat. they said something about this happening about the time that she was being reported missing or something to that effect. Made me think maybe she was still alive while they were looking for her. This is just so confusing..... How she got Elizabeth into the woods, killed her and concealed her so well in that short amount of time and got back home without being seen. Just seems impossible to me.

http://www.kctv5.com/video/21408339/index.html

Here is the full press conference where Sherriff White talks about finding Elizabeth.
Prior to this presser the  Sheriff constantly said there were "no signs of foul play" and at one point even said they were not sure she was even in the area anymore.  That has to be one very smart 15 year old to outwit the Sheriff.  Had the other juvenile not given LE the written notes who knows where the investigation would be today.

see, now THIS was what I didn't like from the start about the missing investigation - and now things aren't adding up with how this is playing out now.

Thisa Sheriff NEVER handled this in ways that I have seen successful LE handle a missing child case. 

*  Not searching through the night - it's Missouri, not the North Pole.

*  I read that he told the FBI thanks, but no thanks.  wtf?

*  Not issuing an Amber Alert - the rules for this can be stretched, we've seen them do it before.  Was there a State Alert?

*  Making assumptions to the press that she was not abducted, no foul play. 

SHE WAS 9 YEARS OLD, SHERIFF!  WHAT DID YOU THINK, SHE RAN OFF TO VEGAS???

And now he seems to be stonewalling the public's right to know what in hell is going on - and we all know damn well that minors names are released if they are charged with heavy duty crimes.

A lot of this just does not make sense to me, but maybe chalk it up to apparently the Sheriff previously was a school resource officer?  Not longtime LE?

It bothers me to think that Elizabeth could have been lying there through that first night and beyond, slowly succumbing to her wounds.  Maybe she could've been saved if they had not stopped searching that night.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:17:23 PM
Looks like we have  a press conference tomorrow.  Now all we need is Murt's van to stream it.

EricaNochlin: ABC 17 News confirms 15 yr old in custody for Elizabeth Olten&apos;s death is a girl. More info to come at press conference Tues.
Bio Journalist working with the ABC/FOX affiliates for mid-MO as well as Newsy.com

http://twitter.com/EricaNochlin


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:19:12 PM
COLE COUNTY -- Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson Monday talked about the Elizabeth Olten case and the charges the suspect faces.

He said the fact that the sheriff wants first degree murder charges shows that the sheriff believes Elizabeth's murder was premeditated.

Before the 15 year old can be formally charged there must first be a certification hearing to determine if the teen will stand trial as an adult.

If the teen is tried as an adult, it would be held in open court and evidence will be made public.

Missouri law does not allow the death penalty for anyone younger than 16 years old facing a first degree murder charge.

The maximum sentence would be life in prison without parole.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=367984


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house just hours after finding the body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant Friday night just several homes south of where Elizabeth Olten lived in St. Martins. Records don't indicate the type of warrant, and the department refused to comment Monday.

Authorities are seeking a first-degree murder charge against a 15-year-old. Police previously said the suspect lived near Elizabeth but did not release the teen's name or gender.

A person who lives in the vicinity and spoke on the condition of anonymity said Monday a 15-year-old girl lives at the house where Elizabeth was last seen. The individual didn't want to be identified to avoid jeopardizing the investigation.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367986


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 06:27:12 PM
if they are trying not to taint their jury pool, it's not going to work.

It looks like most everyone knows the name of the 15 year old - and God only knows if the rumors floating around are just stuff that's been made up.  I


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:32:32 PM
Elizabeth Olten funeral arrangements

COLE COUNTY -- Funeral plans for Elizabeth Olten have been scheduled.
Both the visitation and funeral are open to the public.

A visitation is planned Tuesday evening from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home on East Main in Jefferson City.

The funeral is set for Wednesday at 2 p.m. at Concord Baptist Church on West Truman Blvd.

Elizabeth's body will then be transported by horse-drawn hearse to Hawthorn Memorial Gardens.

Expressions of sympathy can be made to the Missouri Missing organization in memory of Elizabeth Olten.

Viewers have asked if Elizabeth's father and brother, Dale Olten Sr. and Dale Olten Jr., would be released from prison to attend Elizabeth's funeral.

Both men are behind bars at Northeast Correctional Center in Bowling Green, Mo. on drug and burglary charges.

We checked with the Missouri Department of Corrections.

A spokesperson there says department policy says offenders are not allowed to be released for funerals or visitations.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367988


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
School board meets to discuss Olten's death

The Jefferson City School Board held an emergency meeting at 10 a.m. to discuss how to handle Elizabeth's death.

"[We want] to reassure our community that we're gonna do whatever is necessary to take care of our students and our families through this time of grief,” Superintendent Brian Mithchell said.

Confidential law enforcement sources and neighbors of Elizabeth said the 15 year-old murder suspect is a female who lived on Elizabeth’s street and a student at Jefferson City High School.

Investigators close to the case won't go on record with that information.

Board president Doug Whitehead asked immediately to make the session closed.

"I would like to make a note that we have added one item to the agenda in the executive session to discuss personnel,” Whitehead said.

Clearly, however, the purpose of the session was to discuss the circumstances surrounding the death of Elizabeth Olten.

"We've consulted our legal counsel ahead of time to verify that,” Mithchell said. “Certainly, our community understands the sensitivity of this issue and the students involved. I'm quite confident that we had energy right and grounds to conduct that meeting in closed session.”

Jefferson City Police Captain Mike Smith attended the meeting. He said later he was there simply to discuss plans for dealing with the fallout from Elizabeth’s death through the school resource officer program.

The blogosphere is already buzzing with rumors of ritualistic activity connected to the murder. District officials flatly refused to address such speculation.

"That's one of the reasons why we wanted to meet today, to make sure that children and families understand that our schools are safe, that this is an isolated incident,” Whitehead said.     

Superintendent Mitchell noted again that special counselors are available at the elementary school attended by Elizabeth Olten.

There is also information about counseling on the school district's website

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367997


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.

Jill that is something that bothered me...when the LE made a statement Friday or Sat. they said something about this happening about the time that she was being reported missing or something to that effect. Made me think maybe she was still alive while they were looking for her. This is just so confusing..... How she got Elizabeth into the woods, killed her and concealed her so well in that short amount of time and got back home without being seen. Just seems impossible to me.

http://www.kctv5.com/video/21408339/index.html

Here is the full press conference where Sherriff White talks about finding Elizabeth.
Prior to this presser the  Sheriff constantly said there were "no signs of foul play" and at one point even said they were not sure she was even in the area anymore.  That has to be one very smart 15 year old to outwit the Sheriff.  Had the other juvenile not given LE the written notes who knows where the investigation would be today.

Or a very stupid, sheriff, manipulating the situation, trying to deflect suspicion from his town, and knowing which side of his bread is buttered on! Saying "no signs of foul pay" and saying they were not sure she was even in the area anymore early on. She wasn't a smart 15 yr old. Somebody just didn't want to face the truth. If it is true that the juvenile investigators wanted to interview the juveniles early on and the sheriff refused, he was more derelict in his duty. This case has been screwed up from the beginning. They knew almost from the beginning Elizabeth HAD to be in that patch of woods, and that the last people to see her were juveniles. They wouldn't have turned away so many volunteers unless they knew the area where her body was.

The authorities have left this whole thing hanging out there since Wednesday instead of taking the bull by the horns and doing what needed to be done, including the school board. I will be willing to bet that every kid in the area know exactly where Elizabeth's body was hidden because they have been there or heard about it. It is deplorable that another day has gone by, and they have not taken the opportunity to take the reins and stop the rumors and innuendo. It is CYA time in St Martins and JC. I doubt if we will ever know the full truth. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 06:49:51 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 06:53:14 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.
Unbelievable, I'm going to throw this out there, maybe because of who Elizabeth's father and brother are, their efforts weren't as stellar as say another child who went missing who had law abiding, prominent parents?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 06:55:38 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 06:58:12 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.
Unbelievable, I'm going to throw this out there, maybe because of who Elizabeth's father and brother are, their efforts weren't as stellar as say another child who went missing who had law abiding, prominent parents?

Exactly my point. The local posters have pointed out the pecking order on the blogs. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.
Unbelievable, I'm going to throw this out there, maybe because of who Elizabeth's father and brother are, their efforts weren't as stellar as say another child who went missing who had law abiding, prominent parents?

it's so weird.

On one hand, they appear to be protecting the POI's family.

On the other hand, Sheriff makes big announcement regarding 1st Degree Murder charges.

And seasoned law enforcement representative knows that if you are not going to tell the people anything, that means don't tell them ANYTHING.

You don't tell them a piece of it, clam up and then let disgusting rumors fly which will most definitely taint the jury pool.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 26, 2009, 06:59:07 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.
  Ritualistic killing, wow  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 06:59:43 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.
Unbelievable, I'm going to throw this out there, maybe because of who Elizabeth's father and brother are, their efforts weren't as stellar as say another child who went missing who had law abiding, prominent parents?

Exactly my point. The local posters have pointed out the pecking order on the blogs. JMO

Not maybe so much who Elizabeth's father and brother are, but who are the POI's foster parents. I misread your post. Sorry.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MunkeyMunk on October 26, 2009, 06:59:51 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.

Jill that is something that bothered me...when the LE made a statement Friday or Sat. they said something about this happening about the time that she was being reported missing or something to that effect. Made me think maybe she was still alive while they were looking for her. This is just so confusing..... How she got Elizabeth into the woods, killed her and concealed her so well in that short amount of time and got back home without being seen. Just seems impossible to me.

http://www.kctv5.com/video/21408339/index.html

Here is the full press conference where Sherriff White talks about finding Elizabeth.
Prior to this presser the  Sheriff constantly said there were "no signs of foul play" and at one point even said they were not sure she was even in the area anymore.  That has to be one very smart 15 year old to outwit the Sheriff.  Had the other juvenile not given LE the written notes who knows where the investigation would be today.

Or a very stupid, sheriff, manipulating the situation, trying to deflect suspicion from his town, and knowing which side of his bread is buttered on! Saying "no signs of foul pay" and saying they were not sure she was even in the area anymore early on. She wasn't a smart 15 yr old. Somebody just didn't want to face the truth. If it is true that the juvenile investigators wanted to interview the juveniles early on and the sheriff refused, he was more derelict in his duty. This case has been screwed up from the beginning. They knew almost from the beginning Elizabeth HAD to be in that patch of woods, and that the last people to see her were juveniles. They wouldn't have turned away so many volunteers unless they knew the area where her body was.

The authorities have left this whole thing hanging out there since Wednesday instead of taking the bull by the horns and doing what needed to be done, including the school board. I will be willing to bet that every kid in the area know exactly where Elizabeth's body was hidden because they have been there or heard about it. It is deplorable that another day has gone by, and they have not taken the opportunity to take the reins and stop the rumors and innuendo. It is CYA time in St Martins and JC. I doubt if we will ever know the full truth. JMO


FM, I totally agree!!! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 06:59:56 PM
Why first degree murder charge for Olten murder suspect?


By Newsdesk KRCG
Monday, October 26, 2009 at 4:56 p.m.

COLE COUNTY -- KRCG talked with Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson Monday about the Elizabeth Olten case.
He said the fact that the sheriff wants first degree murder charges shows that the sheriff believes Elizabeth's murder was premeditated.

Before the 15 year old can be formally charged there must first be a certification hearing to determine if the teen will stand trial as an adult.

If the teen is tried as an adult, it would be held in open court and evidence will be made public.

Missouri law does not allow the death penalty for anyone younger than 16 years old facing a first degree murder charge.

The maximum sentence would be life in prison without parole.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367984


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 07:00:40 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.
Unbelievable, I'm going to throw this out there, maybe because of who Elizabeth's father and brother are, their efforts weren't as stellar as say another child who went missing who had law abiding, prominent parents?

I wondered that myself and hope to god that has not been the case.  Elizabeth was a 9 year old girl and bad decisions and actions of adult members of her family should have no bearing on finding her and seeking justice.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 07:01:27 PM
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house just hours after finding the body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant Friday night just several homes south of where Elizabeth Olten lived in St. Martins. Records don't indicate the type of warrant, and the department refused to comment Monday.

Authorities are seeking a first-degree murder charge against a 15-year-old. Police previously said the suspect lived near Elizabeth but did not release the teen's name or gender.

A person who lives in the vicinity and spoke on the condition of anonymity said Monday a 15-year-old girl lives at the house where Elizabeth was last seen. The individual didn't want to be identified to avoid jeopardizing the investigation.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367986

And why are we just finding out on Monday evening that a warrant was served on Friday night? There is local media there.......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 07:02:43 PM
something just occurred to me - if it's too morbid, mods please remove.

I just had a sudden thought about time of death - if she could've been alive while the search was going on.

Jill that is something that bothered me...when the LE made a statement Friday or Sat. they said something about this happening about the time that she was being reported missing or something to that effect. Made me think maybe she was still alive while they were looking for her. This is just so confusing..... How she got Elizabeth into the woods, killed her and concealed her so well in that short amount of time and got back home without being seen. Just seems impossible to me.

http://www.kctv5.com/video/21408339/index.html

Here is the full press conference where Sherriff White talks about finding Elizabeth.
Prior to this presser the  Sheriff constantly said there were "no signs of foul play" and at one point even said they were not sure she was even in the area anymore.  That has to be one very smart 15 year old to outwit the Sheriff.  Had the other juvenile not given LE the written notes who knows where the investigation would be today.

Or a very stupid, sheriff, manipulating the situation, trying to deflect suspicion from his town, and knowing which side of his bread is buttered on! Saying "no signs of foul pay" and saying they were not sure she was even in the area anymore early on. She wasn't a smart 15 yr old. Somebody just didn't want to face the truth. If it is true that the juvenile investigators wanted to interview the juveniles early on and the sheriff refused, he was more derelict in his duty. This case has been screwed up from the beginning. They knew almost from the beginning Elizabeth HAD to be in that patch of woods, and that the last people to see her were juveniles. They wouldn't have turned away so many volunteers unless they knew the area where her body was.

The authorities have left this whole thing hanging out there since Wednesday instead of taking the bull by the horns and doing what needed to be done, including the school board. I will be willing to bet that every kid in the area know exactly where Elizabeth's body was hidden because they have been there or heard about it. It is deplorable that another day has gone by, and they have not taken the opportunity to take the reins and stop the rumors and innuendo. It is CYA time in St Martins and JC. I doubt if we will ever know the full truth. JMO

yup, yup and yup!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.
  Ritualistic killing, wow  ::MonkeyShocked::

If it was a ritualistic killing, then there are other juveniles involved. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 07:05:25 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.

I have not run across the ritualistic killing buzz.  I may have to kick  my Google.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
Missouri justice system "on the brink of collapse"

A new report said Missouri's Criminal Justice system is "on the brink of collapse" with public defenders overwhelmed with cases.

The Chief Justice of the Missouri Supreme Court said the system could be forced to free some inmates because of delayed trials.

A similar study was conducted in 2005, with similar results.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368007


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 07:13:44 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.

I have not run across the ritualistic killing buzz.  I may have to kick  my Google.

it was in the article you posted just up north ^


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 07:15:41 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.

I have not run across the ritualistic killing buzz.  I may have to kick  my Google.

it was in the article you posted just up north ^

I saw the article but missed finding the buzz first hand.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 07:19:13 PM
Superintendent Mitchell doesn't think counsellors should be available at the High School where the POI attended and a teacher is not there today as he committed suicide?  Yet they did add the item to the agenda to discuss personnel.

Superintendent Mitchell is another idiot way over his head. WTH, they have a POI of a murder one charge, and a teacher that committed suicide, and they don't need counselors at the school? What planet is he on?

AND, there is buzz about ritualistic killing - no info from law enforcement, but they expect the citizens to believe that this is an isolated event?

they are screwing up, imo.

I have not run across the ritualistic killing buzz.  I may have to kick  my Google.

it was in the article you posted just up north ^

I saw the article but missed finding the buzz first hand.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if the article writer is referring to that one post (somewhere, can't remember where) talking about stabbing, strangulation, post-mortem damage to the body?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 07:22:50 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 07:25:55 PM
Northern, is this Elizabeth's house?  It's from the KRCG article you posted that mentioned the search warrant:

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/olten_family3.jpg?w=226&h=170&aspect=nostretch)

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=367986


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 26, 2009, 07:30:36 PM
ok, I clicked that picture, and not only did it make it bigger, but showed a caption:

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/olten_family3.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)
"Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house just hours after finding the body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl."

this is not the house of the POI.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 26, 2009, 07:37:32 PM
Is that picture taken at the start of the dirt road? That is not the white house.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 26, 2009, 07:43:23 PM
ok, I clicked that picture, and not only did it make it bigger, but showed a caption:

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/olten_family3.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)
"Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house just hours after finding the body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl."

this is not the house of the POI.


I think that must be Elizabeth's house. Not the POI's. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 08:12:04 PM
ok, I clicked that picture, and not only did it make it bigger, but showed a caption:

(http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/uploadedImages/krcg/News/Stories/olten_family3.jpg?w=500&h=375&aspect=nostretch)
"Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house just hours after finding the body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl."

this is not the house of the POI.


I think that must be Elizabeth's house. Not the POI's. JMO

Yes that is Elizabeth's house.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 08:22:26 PM
Olten Murder Suspect Is A Girl
School officials met in closed session to discuss the death of Elizabeth Olten, 9.

We have new information tonight in the murder of nine year old Elizabeth Olten.

We've learned the suspect is a 15 year old girl and police served a search warrant to Olten's neighbor's house, just hours after finding the girl's body.  A person who lives in the area said the suspect lives at that house.

Court officials tell us a news conference is scheduled for Tuesday to discuss upcoming court appearances.  The hearings will determine if she will stay in custody and if she's going to be tried as an adult.

Jefferson City Public Schools also took action Monday with a special board meeting to address the recent tragedy.

The board immediately went into closed session, so we weren't allowed to listen to its conversations but in a brief interview afterwards the board said he had to be that way because its such a touchy subject.

The murder of Elizabeth Olten certainly grabbed this area's attention, but with so much information still unknown the rumor mill has really been turning.  The board said that's exactly why they wanted to meet.

Board President Doug Whitehead said, "We are very aware we have children to serve and that's one reason we wanted to talk today to make sure children and families understand the children are safe and that this is an isolated incident."

The board also talked about the changes to not only the victim's school, but all schools district wide.  Superintendent Brian Mitchell said, "We're providing additional counseling services trying to take care of all the needs of kids and families the best we can." 

We checked with Jefferson City Schools once the school day was over and spokesman David Luther said they didn't keep track of how many kids were coming in for counseling, but said they had plenty of people on hand to help.  He said they had councilors from all over the state offering to help if needed.

If children and family need extra counseling, the school district has made a list of resources.  We set up a link on our website just to the right of the story.


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15319&author=Greg%20Dingrando&category=City%20of%20Jefferson&franchise=&county=Cole&city=Jefferson%20City&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 26, 2009, 08:30:22 PM
Olten Murder Suspect Is A Girl
School officials met in closed session to discuss the death of Elizabeth Olten, 9.

We have new information tonight in the murder of nine year old Elizabeth Olten.

We've learned the suspect is a 15 year old girl and police served a search warrant to Olten's neighbor's house, just hours after finding the girl's body.  A person who lives in the area said the suspect lives at that house.

Court officials tell us a news conference is scheduled for Tuesday to discuss upcoming court appearances.  The hearings will determine if she will stay in custody and if she's going to be tried as an adult.

Jefferson City Public Schools also took action Monday with a special board meeting to address the recent tragedy.

The board immediately went into closed session, so we weren't allowed to listen to its conversations but in a brief interview afterwards the board said he had to be that way because its such a touchy subject.

The murder of Elizabeth Olten certainly grabbed this area's attention, but with so much information still unknown the rumor mill has really been turning.  The board said that's exactly why they wanted to meet.

Board President Doug Whitehead said, "We are very aware we have children to serve and that's one reason we wanted to talk today to make sure children and families understand the children are safe and that this is an isolated incident."

The board also talked about the changes to not only the victim's school, but all schools district wide.  Superintendent Brian Mitchell said, "We're providing additional counseling services trying to take care of all the needs of kids and families the best we can." 

We checked with Jefferson City Schools once the school day was over and spokesman David Luther said they didn't keep track of how many kids were coming in for counseling, but said they had plenty of people on hand to help.  He said they had councilors from all over the state offering to help if needed.

If children and family need extra counseling, the school district has made a list of resources.  We set up a link on our website just to the right of the story.


http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15319&author=Greg%20Dingrando&category=City%20of%20Jefferson&franchise=&county=Cole&city=Jefferson%20City&partner=

With 1st degree murder charges she should not be out on bail.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 09:01:25 PM
Warrant served on slain Mo. 9-year-old's neighbor

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. -- Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house hours after finding the body of a missing 9-year-old girl in a heavily wooded area of central Missouri.

Records reviewed Monday show the Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant late Friday night just several homes south of where Elizabeth Olten lived in St. Martins. Police records do not indicate the type of warrant, and the department declined to elaborate Monday.

Authorities are seeking a first-degree murder charge against a 15-year-old who is in custody of the juvenile justice system, but police have not released the teen's name or gender and have provided few other details about the suspect.

A phone number registered to the house where the warrant was served was disconnected, and there was no answer at the door Monday.


Cole County Sheriff Greg White previously has said that the suspect lived in the same area as Elizabeth, which is just west of Jefferson City, and was acquainted with Elizabeth but not a relative.

Police say Elizabeth on Wednesday was to walk home from a friend's house that was about a quarter-mile away. After she was reported missing, several hundred people searched through soaking rain in a heavily wooded area near her home.

White said the 15-year-old on Friday led police to Elizabeth's body, which he said had been in the primary search area but was "very well concealed."

Police focused the search on a tract of woods after they were able to trace the general location of Elizabeth's cell phone. The phone's battery had died by Thursday morning. White said police found the phone near Elizabeth's body.

Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Monday that a hearing to determine whether the teen should be treated as an adult or juvenile is likely to occur within 30 days. Couty said that the suspect would undergo a background and psychological check.

Under Missouri law, children as young as 12 can be charged as adults with first-degree murder. But the case must start in the juvenile court system while a hearing is held on whether to transfer it to an adult court. Juvenile court records generally are closed under Missouri law unless a judge grants an exception.

http://www.bnd.com/336/story/981938.html#


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 26, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
School Board Addresses Child's Death

JEFFERSON CITY - The Jefferson City School Board met Monday morning to create a plan to assure parents of students' safety within the district.

The board reported that counselors will be available in schools to help students cope with the loss.

It also released a statement assuring parents that Jefferson City schools are safe and that this tragic incident was isolated and did not happen on school property.

"We want to reassure our community that we're going to do whatever is necessary to take care of our students and their families through this time of grief," said board superintendent Brian Mitchell.

9-year-old Elizabeth Olten's body was found last Friday after she had been missing since Wednesday.

A 15-year-old suspect is in custody, but only a judge can determine whether the person will be tried as a juvenile or an adult. 

A press conference will be held tomorrow morning at the Michael Prenger Family Center to address the Olten case.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/927f0941-80ce-0971-004d-b63b3a72b87d


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 26, 2009, 10:31:44 PM
Is that picture taken at the start of the dirt road? That is not the white house.
Lomo Drive @ Bittersweet Way


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 26, 2009, 11:16:49 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103

I totally smell the same thing.  Considering what he taught (english and journalism) and was head of I am wondering if our POI wrote a detailed story as an assignment that came true?  LE did say hand written notes were given to them by a 3rd juvenile which then lead them to the POI.  Could have been another student just as likely as one of her siblings.  JMO

Indeed, NorthernRose - we are thinking alike on this one. He knew something that could have prevented this murder . . . IMO. The writing assignment is precisely what I had been thinking, too - or at least something in that scope. SOMEHOW, he knew something. And he felt responsible for not acting on it.

Sounds like he was in his late 70's . . . hard for me to imagine a 'sordid relationship' with the teenage girl - LOL. But, I suppose one never knows . . . . Egads.  :smt101

If he was born in 1944, he was 66, and close to retirement.

I am a bit queasy about the teacher.  My husband was a teacher, and shot himself in the head just before school started two years ago.  He thought he had an incurable condition that would prevent him from teaching, and he just couldn't stand that.

In this case, the coincidence of the two tragic events seems difficult to accept.  Something may have been happening as you are suggesting, but I would need to have a bit more information so that I can stop feeling sick.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 26, 2009, 11:29:39 PM

Morning (oops - Afternoon!) Monkey Friends -

Been following along with this and the other recent heartbreaking cases, but haven't jumped in yet . . . Couldn't help myself now, though.

I cannot believe that this teacher just up and decided to shoot himself at the same time that all of this was coming out about the 15 yr old suspect! WAAAAAAAY too suspicious, IMO - entirely too much so. Dollars to donuts there is something in this whole sick and sad situation that he couldn't live with . . . even if it's just that she was in his class & he knew something was wrong & didn't report it - SOMETHING pushed this guy over the edge. You all have mentioned that the "B" family is prominant in town . . . sounds as though this teacher was known by everyone too . . . coinkydink?

Hmmmm............... Something's rotten in St. Martin's, I'd speculate . . .

All JMHO, of course. :smt103

I totally smell the same thing.  Considering what he taught (english and journalism) and was head of I am wondering if our POI wrote a detailed story as an assignment that came true?  LE did say hand written notes were given to them by a 3rd juvenile which then lead them to the POI.  Could have been another student just as likely as one of her siblings.  JMO

Indeed, NorthernRose - we are thinking alike on this one. He knew something that could have prevented this murder . . . IMO. The writing assignment is precisely what I had been thinking, too - or at least something in that scope. SOMEHOW, he knew something. And he felt responsible for not acting on it.

Sounds like he was in his late 70's . . . hard for me to imagine a 'sordid relationship' with the teenage girl - LOL. But, I suppose one never knows . . . . Egads.  :smt101

If he was born in 1944, he was 66, and close to retirement.

I am a bit queasy about the teacher.  My husband was a teacher, and shot himself in the head just before school started two years ago.  He thought he had an incurable condition that would prevent him from teaching, and he just couldn't stand that.

In this case, the coincidence of the two tragic events seems difficult to accept.  Something may have been happening as you are suggesting, but I would need to have a bit more information so that I can stop feeling sick.
Janes I am sorry to hear about your husband. Just wanted to let you know that.  ::MonkeyAngel:: JSM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 26, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
Thanks, JSM.  that's very kind of you.  I don't want to add to that rather long quote stack...

I guess I'm just trying to say that the teacher's suicide might be unrelated...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 26, 2009, 11:47:25 PM
Thanks, JSM.  that's very kind of you.  I don't want to add to that rather long quote stack...

I guess I'm just trying to say that the teacher's suicide might be unrelated...

I'm sorry too Jane

Yes, very likely unrelated unless for some reason he feels he failed with the 15yr old girl suspect.

From what I've read about the girl (if indeed it's her) she is very bright, or was in elementary school anyway. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: porter on October 26, 2009, 11:58:25 PM
A little update not seen mentioned here.
1- The POI is not the natural child of the folks she and her brothers were living with.
2- Original court documents showing her name relating to the home owners having guardianship have been removed from Missouri CaseNet. These were available until Saturday.
3- Not an influential family, just a very nice house.
We live in the area, and most of the other info here has been correct, including AB as the arrested person. Except the B stands for another last name, not the property owners as listed in the GIS system.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 12:09:13 AM
A little update not seen mentioned here.
1- The POI is not the natural child of the folks she and her brothers were living with. (I was aware she was not the natural child)
2- Original court documents showing her name relating to the home owners having guardianship have been removed from Missouri CaseNet. These were available until Saturday. (I didn't know about the court records.  If I had I would have taken a screen capture of them)
3- Not an influential family, just a very nice house. (Yes, I heard a nice house in a nice area)
We live in the area, and most of the other info here has been correct, including AB as the arrested person. Except the B stands for another last name, not the property owners as listed in the GIS system. (Yes, I am aware of the "B" last name.  I have her Facebook, Myspace and Twitter pics and the Twitter account shows her full name)



Welcome Porter!  My answers in red above.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
Thanks, JSM.  that's very kind of you.  I don't want to add to that rather long quote stack...

I guess I'm just trying to say that the teacher's suicide might be unrelated...

I'm sorry too Jane

Yes, very likely unrelated unless for some reason he feels he failed with the 15yr old girl suspect.

From what I've read about the girl (if indeed it's her) she is very bright, or was in elementary school anyway. 

Thanks, Klaasend...I sure hope they had counsellors at the high school!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:24:59 AM
A little update not seen mentioned here.
1- The POI is not the natural child of the folks she and her brothers were living with. (I was aware she was not the natural child)
2- Original court documents showing her name relating to the home owners having guardianship have been removed from Missouri CaseNet. These were available until Saturday. (I didn't know about the court records.  If I had I would have taken a screen capture of them)
3- Not an influential family, just a very nice house. (Yes, I heard a nice house in a nice area)
We live in the area, and most of the other info here has been correct, including AB as the arrested person. Except the B stands for another last name, not the property owners as listed in the GIS system. (Yes, I am aware of the "B" last name.  I have her Facebook, Myspace and Twitter pics and the Twitter account shows her full name)



Welcome Porter!  My answers in red above.



Klaas I posted about the records going poof earlier today.  Was hoping you got screen captures.  I cut & paste a lot of the info but do not have captures.

::cartwheel::   WELCOME PORTER    ::cartwheel::

So why does the media not stream any of the press conferences?  Man it is frustrating!  I am also curious if KB is still running the daycare now that this has all happened and they changed their phone number and not answering their door as the one article stated.  If I had kids in her care for the days Elizabeth was missing I would be one upset parent when this all gets released. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: porter on October 27, 2009, 12:26:56 AM
A little update not seen mentioned here.
1- The POI is not the natural child of the folks she and her brothers were living with. (I was aware she was not the natural child)
2- Original court documents showing her name relating to the home owners having guardianship have been removed from Missouri CaseNet. These were available until Saturday. (I didn't know about the court records.  If I had I would have taken a screen capture of them)
3- Not an influential family, just a very nice house. (Yes, I heard a nice house in a nice area)
We live in the area, and most of the other info here has been correct, including AB as the arrested person. Except the B stands for another last name, not the property owners as listed in the GIS system. (Yes, I am aware of the "B" last name.  I have her Facebook, Myspace and Twitter pics and the Twitter account shows her full name)



Welcome Porter!  My answers in red above.


Tried to post this info last week, but couldn't get authorized here in time.
Run AB last name through CaseNet and you can (could) find her mother is serving time in prison on drug charges. Father is living 50 miles away. Both have long drug histories. KB and GB, property owners, also took legal custody of another 7 year old from another family, she is who LE found initial info from leading to AB, she was the 'friend' EO was visiting.

ALSO, early on, Mr. White (hopefully not sheriff much longer) refused assistance from a national group which works with children in getting crime information. He said "they have things under control". The group is something like the "Lie To Me" tv series except they work with juv. a lot. I don't know the name exactly.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:27:18 AM
Thanks, JSM.  that's very kind of you.  I don't want to add to that rather long quote stack...

I guess I'm just trying to say that the teacher's suicide might be unrelated...

I'm sorry too Jane

Yes, very likely unrelated unless for some reason he feels he failed with the 15yr old girl suspect.

From what I've read about the girl (if indeed it's her) she is very bright, or was in elementary school anyway. 

Thanks, Klaasend...I sure hope they had counsellors at the high school!

I am sorry about your loss. 

I would think that the kids in the high school would be taking the events harder in some respects than the elementary kids.  I really hope they have offered those kids counseling as well.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 12:38:43 AM
Thanks Porter!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:38:50 AM
A little update not seen mentioned here.
1- The POI is not the natural child of the folks she and her brothers were living with. (I was aware she was not the natural child)
2- Original court documents showing her name relating to the home owners having guardianship have been removed from Missouri CaseNet. These were available until Saturday. (I didn't know about the court records.  If I had I would have taken a screen capture of them)
3- Not an influential family, just a very nice house. (Yes, I heard a nice house in a nice area)
We live in the area, and most of the other info here has been correct, including AB as the arrested person. Except the B stands for another last name, not the property owners as listed in the GIS system. (Yes, I am aware of the "B" last name.  I have her Facebook, Myspace and Twitter pics and the Twitter account shows her full name)



Welcome Porter!  My answers in red above.


Tried to post this info last week, but couldn't get authorized here in time.
Run AB last name through CaseNet and you can (could) find her mother is serving time in prison on drug charges. Father is living 50 miles away. Both have long drug histories. KB and GB, property owners, also took legal custody of another 7 year old from another family, she is who LE found initial info from leading to AB, she was the 'friend' EO was visiting.

ALSO, early on, Mr. White (hopefully not sheriff much longer) refused assistance from a national group which works with children in getting crime information. He said "they have things under control". The group is something like the "Lie To Me" tv series except they work with juv. a lot. I don't know the name exactly.

AB's mother - MB is out on 2 years unsupervised probation in Dallas county according to her case in the last few weeks.  The 7 year old is also the daughter of MB but from a different bio dad so grandma took over guardinship as well.  Grandma has taken over as guardian for all of her grandchildren produced by MB.  I really feel bad for EA as I suspected that Elizabeth was visting her and was hoping she was not the one who found the written notes. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: porter on October 27, 2009, 12:55:29 AM
"AB's mother - MB is out on 2 years unsupervised probation in Dallas county according to her case in the last few weeks.  The 7 year old is also the daughter of MB but from a different bio dad so grandma took over guardinship as well.  Grandma has taken over as guardian for all of her grandchildren produced by MB.  I really feel bad for EA as I suspected that Elizabeth was visting her and was hoping she was not the one who found the written notes. "
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That was some good digging on the mother's current status. Know the name of the group that was that offered assistance, can't find out exactly.?

On a different level, how would a 'wrongfull death' case work on this? KB and GB have a nice house and things Elizabeth's folks don't have. Put human desires together with the usual mix of lawyers and you see where this could wind up in the courts? But Kb/GB are only guardians, not adoptive parents, so where is the legal line for this?
Interesting to ponder. Locally, this could wind up like the 'OJ' case.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:58:21 AM
Know the name of the group that was that offered assistance, can't find out exactly.?

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Do you mean Missouri Missing?  The group that Peggy Florence the mother of Jasmine Haslag co-founded after Jasmine disappeared?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Searching on October 27, 2009, 01:26:03 AM
Hi monkeys,
              Admittedly,I have not followed this case much until yesterday. I have family in that area and have been trying to reach out to them and see what I could find out since this afternoon. I grew up in Mo. and have to say,when I was growing up there,the only twisted folks I knew there where my bothers and a couple neighbors that my brothers hung out with. I remember how close nit folks were and how we could just ride our bikes,play in the rain and well,just be kids there, we did not have to be in fear. I am shocked at this and just can not wrap my head around what I am seeing happening in our society today. I sit here reading this and Somer's case and Haleigh and Caylee and the list goes on and, well, I have to say, The children are our future and seeing this and case and then the 15 year old on tru tv today for murder and many more, it scares the hair right off me. If this (these murderer children) is our future then God help us all. I am sorry but there had to be some signs somewhere that this child had problems and her guardians should have sought help for her,maybe if they had,this child would still be alive. I am just shocked,it is hard enough when an adult kills a child,but dear God,when a child kills a child,it is unspeakable. What in the HE double hockey sticks is happening to our children. One thing that has come to my mind in watching this unfold is this, for all who thought Misty was not capable of "punking out" LE in Putnam county, let this be a window for you please. If a 15 year old child can "punk out" LE as this one did for a short time,imagine what a street smart 17 year old who has been through it all through her 17 years could do. Investigating is not as easy as ask questions and just believe what you want. These LEO's have to sift through and compare statements and try to get evidence to back up what statements have been made,if everyone is lying it is hard to figure out what to believe. My heart goes out to these families of these babies that have been found dead,but I am also glad they do not have to spend every second of every day wondering what is being done to the missing child. I am not trying to be mean,but sometimes the 24/7 of wondering what is being done to them and the images that go through your mind, the terrible thoughts and dreams nightmares can be worse then knowing that they are in heaven in the arms of our savior. I must say,if this is what the future holds, God help us all. I also need to say that there are some new angels in heaven,specially chosen to do certain works for our savior. The babies that have gone to heaven will not ever have to suffer again. May God give their families peace and comfort through the loss of these angels.I am at a loss for any more words at this point so Good night monkeys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: porter on October 27, 2009, 01:27:37 AM
Know the name of the group that was that offered assistance, can't find out exactly.?

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Do you mean Missouri Missing?  The group that Peggy Florence the mother of Jasmine Haslag co-founded after Jasmine disappeared?

That would fit, as it was supposed to be someone 'local' who was onsite. And those events were definetely local. But that would also explain why they were turned away if LE thought the AB family had anything to do with this case, given the twisted background of Peggy and Elizabeth's families. I can see at least 2 good novels out of this case, going all the way back to Jasmine's disappearance, bringing 3 unrelated drug ridden families together thru tragedy.
Sane folks couldn't imagine a story like this. And if you don't live in this area you wouldn't know the histories of these folks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:31:58 AM
Hi monkeys,
              Admittedly,I have not followed this case much until yesterday. I have family in that area and have been trying to reach out to them and see what I could find out since this afternoon. I grew up in Mo. and have to say,when I was growing up there,the only twisted folks I knew there where my bothers and a couple neighbors that my brothers hung out with. I remember how close nit folks were and how we could just ride our bikes,play in the rain and well,just be kids there, we did not have to be in fear. I am shocked at this and just can not wrap my head around what I am seeing happening in our society today. I sit here reading this and Somer's case and Haleigh and Caylee and the list goes on and, well, I have to say, The children are our future and seeing this and case and then the 15 year old on tru tv today for murder and many more, it scares the hair right off me. If this (these murderer children) is our future then God help us all. I am sorry but there had to be some signs somewhere that this child had problems and her guardians should have sought help for her,maybe if they had,this child would still be alive. I am just shocked,it is hard enough when an adult kills a child,but dear God,when a child kills a child,it is unspeakable. What in the HE double hockey sticks is happening to our children. One thing that has come to my mind in watching this unfold is this, for all who thought Misty was not capable of "punking out" LE in Putnam county, let this be a window for you please. If a 15 year old child can "punk out" LE as this one did for a short time,imagine what a street smart 17 year old who has been through it all through her 17 years could do. Investigating is not as easy as ask questions and just believe what you want. These LEO's have to sift through and compare statements and try to get evidence to back up what statements have been made,if everyone is lying it is hard to figure out what to believe. My heart goes out to these families of these babies that have been found dead,but I am also glad they do not have to spend every second of every day wondering what is being done to the missing child. I am not trying to be mean,but sometimes the 24/7 of wondering what is being done to them and the images that go through your mind, the terrible thoughts and dreams nightmares can be worse then knowing that they are in heaven in the arms of our savior. I must say,if this is what the future holds, God help us all. I also need to say that there are some new angels in heaven,specially chosen to do certain works for our savior. The babies that have gone to heaven will not ever have to suffer again. May God give their families peace and comfort through the loss of these angels.I am at a loss for any more words at this point so Good night monkeys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII

I wonder what is happening to our children as well and can not wrap my mind around how we got here as a society to have children killing children.  Good night Searching and God Bless.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Searching on October 27, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Hi monkeys,
              Admittedly,I have not followed this case much until yesterday. I have family in that area and have been trying to reach out to them and see what I could find out since this afternoon. I grew up in Mo. and have to say,when I was growing up there,the only twisted folks I knew there where my bothers and a couple neighbors that my brothers hung out with. I remember how close nit folks were and how we could just ride our bikes,play in the rain and well,just be kids there, we did not have to be in fear. I am shocked at this and just can not wrap my head around what I am seeing happening in our society today. I sit here reading this and Somer's case and Haleigh and Caylee and the list goes on and, well, I have to say, The children are our future and seeing this and case and then the 15 year old on tru tv today for murder and many more, it scares the hair right off me. If this (these murderer children) is our future then God help us all. I am sorry but there had to be some signs somewhere that this child had problems and her guardians should have sought help for her,maybe if they had,this child would still be alive. I am just shocked,it is hard enough when an adult kills a child,but dear God,when a child kills a child,it is unspeakable. What in the HE double hockey sticks is happening to our children. One thing that has come to my mind in watching this unfold is this, for all who thought Misty was not capable of "punking out" LE in Putnam county, let this be a window for you please. If a 15 year old child can "punk out" LE as this one did for a short time,imagine what a street smart 17 year old who has been through it all through her 17 years could do. Investigating is not as easy as ask questions and just believe what you want. These LEO's have to sift through and compare statements and try to get evidence to back up what statements have been made,if everyone is lying it is hard to figure out what to believe. My heart goes out to these families of these babies that have been found dead,but I am also glad they do not have to spend every second of every day wondering what is being done to the missing child. I am not trying to be mean,but sometimes the 24/7 of wondering what is being done to them and the images that go through your mind, the terrible thoughts and dreams nightmares can be worse then knowing that they are in heaven in the arms of our savior. I must say,if this is what the future holds, God help us all. I also need to say that there are some new angels in heaven,specially chosen to do certain works for our savior. The babies that have gone to heaven will not ever have to suffer again. May God give their families peace and comfort through the loss of these angels.I am at a loss for any more words at this point so Good night monkeys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII

I wonder what is happening to our children as well and can not wrap my mind around how we got here as a society to have children killing children.  Good night Searching and God Bless.
It is so sad to see what is happening today,but scary at the same time.My heart aches for the families,really. Not only did Elizabeth's family lose her,but there is a 15 year old child lost as well in this and though she killed a child,she is a child herself and it is hard to separate that she is a child yet a murderer at the same time.may they all be comforted in this tragic time. I am glad I am not the only one having a difficult time with this yet I worry about the fellow monkeys here. This is such a blow and all in a weeks time? May peace and comfort be with all and hopefully some day the truth of what happened to Haleigh will come out. .God Bless back at ya and may the good Lord bless you many many times over.. Good Night NoRose.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 27, 2009, 07:33:09 AM
http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199352
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 @05:02am CDT


(Jefferson City, MO) -- A memorial service and visitation have been set for the nine year-old Missouri girl who was found dead last Friday.

Visitation for Elizabeth Olten is today at 4:00 pm at a funeral home in Jefferson City.

Memorial services are tomorrow at Concord Baptist Church.
Both are open to the public.

Cole County authorities filed a petition to charge a 15-year old with first-degree murder in Olten's death.
She went missing last Wednesday.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 08:51:41 AM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 08:56:08 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 08:56:22 AM


If he was born in 1944, he was 66, and close to retirement.

I am a bit queasy about the teacher.  My husband was a teacher, and shot himself in the head just before school started two years ago.  He thought he had an incurable condition that would prevent him from teaching, and he just couldn't stand that.

In this case, the coincidence of the two tragic events seems difficult to accept.  Something may have been happening as you are suggesting, but I would need to have a bit more information so that I can stop feeling sick.

Jane I am so sorry....this must bring back some awful memories for you. :smt056


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 09:00:13 AM


If he was born in 1944, he was 66, and close to retirement.

I am a bit queasy about the teacher.  My husband was a teacher, and shot himself in the head just before school started two years ago.  He thought he had an incurable condition that would prevent him from teaching, and he just couldn't stand that.

In this case, the coincidence of the two tragic events seems difficult to accept.  Something may have been happening as you are suggesting, but I would need to have a bit more information so that I can stop feeling sick.

Jane I am so sorry....this must bring back some awful memories for you. :smt056


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 09:02:52 AM
A little update not seen mentioned here.
1- The POI is not the natural child of the folks she and her brothers were living with.
2- Original court documents showing her name relating to the home owners having guardianship have been removed from Missouri CaseNet. These were available until Saturday.
3- Not an influential family, just a very nice house.
We live in the area, and most of the other info here has been correct, including AB as the arrested person. Except the B stands for another last name, not the property owners as listed in the GIS system.

Hi Porter and welcome!  Thanks for the information


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 09:17:12 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.

jill...was there any 'chatter' on myspace or twitter after school yesterday?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 09:24:52 AM


If he was born in 1944, he was 66, and close to retirement.

I am a bit queasy about the teacher.  My husband was a teacher, and shot himself in the head just before school started two years ago.  He thought he had an incurable condition that would prevent him from teaching, and he just couldn't stand that.

In this case, the coincidence of the two tragic events seems difficult to accept.  Something may have been happening as you are suggesting, but I would need to have a bit more information so that I can stop feeling sick.

Jane I am so sorry....this must bring back some awful memories for you. :smt056

Yes, it does.  Thanks, Sunny...I am anxious to see how it unfolds.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
What time is the press conference?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: wbaw0724 on October 27, 2009, 09:29:44 AM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 09:34:55 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.

jill...was there any 'chatter' on myspace or twitter after school yesterday?

no, none that I saw.

These kids are much more discreet than the so-called "adults" on the comments sections of the online JC news, lol.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 09:35:41 AM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............

thank you.

10 years on 1st and 2nd degree assault charges.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.

jill...was there any 'chatter' on myspace or twitter after school yesterday?

no, none that I saw.

These kids are much more discreet than the so-called "adults" on the comments sections of the online JC news, lol.

thanks jill...that surprises me...I thought when school got out there would be all kinds of chatter......so why are the kids not talking?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:44:04 AM
JANETRUTH, I offer you my condolences as well. This must really bring the whole thing back to you. I am sorry.


WELCOME PORTER! Thank you for your views as a local. It is helpful to have a local viewpoint.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:45:21 AM
What time is the press conference?

I think I heard yesterday it would be a 9:am central time. iirc


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 27, 2009, 09:50:01 AM
G'Morning Monkee's,

Ive been offline a few days moving, and just now catching up.

If someone could be so kind and send me the stuff that was gathered about twitter, myspace, ect....I would greatly appreciate it.

rrboogie@hotmail.com

Also I have a ribbon I want to post, from a missing, murdered and unidentified that has openly given permission to use and I dont know how to get it shown... if someone can email that too me too...I would again be so very appreciative.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 09:50:12 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.

jill...was there any 'chatter' on myspace or twitter after school yesterday?

no, none that I saw.

These kids are much more discreet than the so-called "adults" on the comments sections of the online JC news, lol.

thanks jill...that surprises me...I thought when school got out there would be all kinds of chatter......so why are the kids not talking?

I will tell you that most of the kids that I've run across that had her on their myspaces seem like nice kids to me - not troublemakers.

there were a few that looked hardcore to me and I haven't checked their pages yet today.

But I would say that the ones who look like your normal, average teen probably are freaked out over this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 09:50:28 AM
Sorry of this has already been posted...I wonder of the GP's have  left the area with the other children to protect them???

http://www.bnd.com/336/story/981938.html#


Warrant served on slain Mo. 9-year-old's neighbor
By CHRIS BLANK - Associated Press Writer

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. -- Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house hours after finding the body of a missing 9-year-old girl in a heavily wooded area of central Missouri.

Records reviewed Monday show the Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant late Friday night just several homes south of where Elizabeth Olten lived in St. Martins. Police records do not indicate the type of warrant, and the department declined to elaborate Monday.

Authorities are seeking a first-degree murder charge against a 15-year-old who is in custody of the juvenile justice system, but police have not released the teen's name or gender and have provided few other details about the suspect.

A phone number registered to the house where the warrant was served was disconnected, and there was no answer at the door Monday.

Cole County Sheriff Greg White previously has said that the suspect lived in the same area as Elizabeth, which is just west of Jefferson City, and was acquainted with Elizabeth but not a relative.

Police say Elizabeth on Wednesday was to walk home from a friend's house that was about a quarter-mile away. After she was reported missing, several hundred people searched through soaking rain in a heavily wooded area near her home.

White said the 15-year-old on Friday led police to Elizabeth's body, which he said had been in the primary search area but was "very well concealed."

Police focused the search on a tract of woods after they were able to trace the general location of Elizabeth's cell phone. The phone's battery had died by Thursday morning. White said police found the phone near Elizabeth's body.

Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Monday that a hearing to determine whether the teen should be treated as an adult or juvenile is likely to occur within 30 days. Couty said that the suspect would undergo a background and psychological check.

Under Missouri law, children as young as 12 can be charged as adults with first-degree murder. But the case must start in the juvenile court system while a hearing is held on whether to transfer it to an adult court. Juvenile court records generally are closed under Missouri law unless a judge grants an exception.
Associated Press Writer David A. Lieb contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 09:52:38 AM
Slo - you have nanners.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 27, 2009, 09:55:11 AM
Slo - you have nanners.

 ::MonkeyKiss::  thank you, thank you!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 09:55:38 AM
ok, I have to go.

Hope LE gives some info today.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
What time is the press conference?

I think I heard yesterday it would be a 9:am central time. iirc

Thank you, Fanny Mae, on both counts...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 09:59:02 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.

jill...was there any 'chatter' on myspace or twitter after school yesterday?

no, none that I saw.

These kids are much more discreet than the so-called "adults" on the comments sections of the online JC news, lol.

thanks jill...that surprises me...I thought when school got out there would be all kinds of chatter......so why are the kids not talking?

I will tell you that most of the kids that I've run across that had her on their myspaces seem like nice kids to me - not troublemakers.

there were a few that looked hardcore to me and I haven't checked their pages yet today.

But I would say that the ones who look like your normal, average teen probably are freaked out over this.

thanks jill.....I am still a bit surprised that the kids aren't talking.....I wonder who her friends are/were I just have a feeling she has talked about doing something to someone and perhaps the kids thought she was just  blowing off....I'll bet, if this is the case, they are all freaked out.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:59:15 AM
What time is the press conference?

I think I heard yesterday it would be a 9:am central time. iirc

Thank you, Fanny Mae, on both counts...

You are more than welcome on both counts.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 10:04:11 AM
btw - I've noticed that some of the kids that had AB on their myspaces removed her yesterday and today.

jill...was there any 'chatter' on myspace or twitter after school yesterday?

no, none that I saw.

These kids are much more discreet than the so-called "adults" on the comments sections of the online JC news, lol.

thanks jill...that surprises me...I thought when school got out there would be all kinds of chatter......so why are the kids not talking?

I will tell you that most of the kids that I've run across that had her on their myspaces seem like nice kids to me - not troublemakers.

there were a few that looked hardcore to me and I haven't checked their pages yet today.

But I would say that the ones who look like your normal, average teen probably are freaked out over this.

I'm sure that being freaked out over this is not confined to kids who look "normal."

I have a daughter who had green hair and facial piercings in high school.  If you had seen what she was writing, you would have called a counsellor, ASAP.  She listened to music (using the term loosely) that would make your hair curl.

I once got a call from the school, asking me to bring her a pair of shoes, because she wouldn't wear hers.

Now, at 32, she is raising a beautiful son, and invents cookie recipes that would put Betty Crocker to shame.

When kids look different from others in high school, it is usually an expression of rebellion against authority, and does not imply that the kids have no feelings.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:08:43 AM
 ::cartwheel::   WELCOME wbaw0724   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
Juvenile Court Official to Discuss Plans
Michael Couty is expected Tuesday to discuss hearings and the process moving forward regarding the Elizabeth Olten murder case.Posted by Greg Dingrando on Mon Oct 26, 2009
 

We have new information tonight in the murder of nine year old Elizabeth Olten.

We've learned the suspect is a 15 year old girl and police served a search warrant to Olten's neighbor's house, just hours after finding the girl's body.  A person who lives in the area said the suspect lives at that house.
 
Court officials tell us a news conference is scheduled for Tuesday to discuss upcoming court appearances.  The hearings will determine if she will stay in custody and if she's going to be tried as an adult.
Jefferson City Public Schools also took action Monday with a special board meeting to address the recent tragedy.

The board immediately went into closed session, so we weren't allowed to listen to its conversations but in a brief interview afterwards the board said he had to be that way because its such a touchy subject.

The murder of Elizabeth Olten certainly grabbed this area's attention, but with so much information still unknown the rumor mill has really been turning.  The board said that's exactly why they wanted to meet.

Board President Doug Whitehead said, "We are very aware we have children to serve and that's one reason we wanted to talk today to make sure children and families understand the children are safe and that this is an isolated incident."

The board also talked about the changes to not only the victim's school, but all schools district wide.  Superintendent Brian Mitchell said, "We're providing additional counseling services trying to take care of all the needs of kids and families the best we can." 

 We checked with Jefferson City Schools once the school day was over and spokesman David Luther said they didn't keep track of how many kids were coming in for counseling, but said they had plenty of people on hand to help.  He said they had councilors from all over the state offering to help if needed.

If children and family need extra counseling, the school district has made a list of resources.  We set up a link on our website just to the right of the story.

 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15319&author=Greg%20Dingrando&category=Murder&franchise=&county=Cole&city=Jefferson%20City&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:34:16 AM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Service Today for Slain Girl


(Jefferson City, MO) -- A memorial service and visitation have been set for the nine year-old Missouri girl who was found dead last Friday.

Visitation for Elizabeth Olten is today at 4:00 pm at a funeral home in Jefferson City.

Memorial services are tomorrow at Concord Baptist Church.
Both are open to the public.

Cole County authorities filed a petition to charge a 15-year old with first-degree murder in Olten's death.
She went missing last Wednesday.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199352


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:40:35 AM







BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:08:28 AM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
WELCOME WBAW0724!!!!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 27, 2009, 11:12:43 AM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:15:19 AM

BLOCKED WEBSITE

Ok, I'm gonna jump. I wonder what this was all about?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
PaulMurphysLaw: Ed Smart organizes candlelight vigil 7:30 Tuesday in Tampa to remember Somer Thompson & Elizabeth Olten.Vigil at Nat AMBER Alert Symposium.

Twitter


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:22:42 AM

BLOCKED WEBSITE

Ok, I'm gonna jump. I wonder what this was all about?  ::MonkeyEek::

Not sure.  I was reading that the school district had a big reshuffling as there have been many issues, task forces came up with recommendations, etc.  Could be related.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 27, 2009, 12:09:06 PM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............
What is his first name, can't just just initial


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 27, 2009, 12:11:31 PM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............
What is his first name, can't just just initial
use


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 27, 2009, 12:13:20 PM
Sorry in advance as I am not super familiar with this case.  15yo in custody has not yet been arraigned?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:20:16 PM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............
What is his first name, can't just just initial

His first name is the same as a popular salad with croutons.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 12:22:44 PM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............
What is his first name, can't just just initial

Try Caesar.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:23:03 PM
Sorry in advance as I am not super familiar with this case.  15yo in custody has not yet been arraigned?

Nope.  In juvi custody. There is a presser today that they are discussing options.  They have said they are doing a evaluation of her to determine if she can go to adult court. No cout date for at least 30 days I believe they said until all the evaluations are completed.  That could change once we hear what they said in the presser.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
Sorry in advance as I am not super familiar with this case.  15yo in custody has not yet been arraigned?

She has not be arraigned, as far as I know. They are being very secretive.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 27, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............
What is his first name, can't just just initial

His first name is the same as a popular salad with croutons.   ::MonkeyCool::
LOL, thank you but it's still not coming up.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 12:37:32 PM
PaulMurphysLaw: Ed Smart organizes candlelight vigil 7:30 Tuesday in Tampa to remember Somer Thompson & Elizabeth Olten.Vigil at Nat AMBER Alert Symposium.

Twitter

O/T I'll bet the Anthonys will be front and center.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 12:40:07 PM
good morning, everyone.

Porter, welcome and thanks for your insights.

One thing to add - I think the dad of AB, CB, is in prison at this time?  at least, that is what I had thought.

I guess the family has skedaddled and boy, should they.  The poop will be hitting the fan at any moment, I feel.

If you go to this link https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/ and type in AB bio father name CB, it show his record. He is in prison now.............
What is his first name, can't just just initial

His first name is the same as a popular salad with croutons.   ::MonkeyCool::
LOL, thank you but it's still not coming up.

Be sure you have the spelling right, like I had; middle initial is what I like to drink sweet over ice with lemon.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
Date set for certification hearing in murder case

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty held a press conference this morning at the Prenger Juvenile Center announcing the certification hearing will be held on Nov. 18 at 8 a.m. for the 15-year-old girl suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten.

The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details about the suspect will be made available to the public.

A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge the 15-year-old with first-degree murder for Olten’s death.

Police said the suspect was acquainted with Olten and lived in the area.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368330


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:46:40 PM
 Michael_Amantea: Media asked not to release identity of olten killing suspect, even though information is well known in community and online blogs @komunews
26 minutes ago from txt     

Michael_Amantea: Detention hearing held tomorrow for 15 year old held in olten killing. AdultÖjuvenile certification to be held nov 18th @komunews
32 minutes ago from txt     

Michael_Amantea: The juvenile court will file a petition of first degree murder against a 15 year old in olten killing @komunews
35 minutes ago from txt


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
Date set for certification hearing in murder case

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty held a press conference this morning at the Prenger Juvenile Center announcing the certification hearing will be held on Nov. 18 at 8 a.m. for the 15-year-old girl suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten.

The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details about the suspect will be made available to the public.

A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge the 15-year-old with first-degree murder for Olten’s death.

Police said the suspect was acquainted with Olten and lived in the area.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368330

WTF????? stay at home....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:49:18 PM
A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

sorry but NO WAY should anyone charged with 1st degree murder be at home.  Grandma was running a daycare out of her house.  Don't think that is going to go over very well if the community clearly knows who she is.  This is a recipe for disaster if they let her go home. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 27, 2009, 12:50:08 PM
WOW! Ask & ye shall receive!  Thanks you guys! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 12:50:25 PM
Michael_Amantea: Media asked not to release identity of olten killing suspect, even though information is well known in community and online blogs @komunews
26 minutes ago from txt     

Michael_Amantea: Detention hearing held tomorrow for 15 year old held in olten killing. AdultÖjuvenile certification to be held nov 18th @komunews
32 minutes ago from txt     

Michael_Amantea: The juvenile court will file a petition of first degree murder against a 15 year old in olten killing @komunews
35 minutes ago from txt

I hate to tell Michael Amantea that the cat's already out of the bag.... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 12:50:47 PM
Date set for certification hearing in murder case

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty held a press conference this morning at the Prenger Juvenile Center announcing the certification hearing will be held on Nov. 18 at 8 a.m. for the 15-year-old girl suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten.

The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details about the suspect will be made available to the public.

A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge the 15-year-old with first-degree murder for Olten’s death.

Police said the suspect was acquainted with Olten and lived in the area.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368330

WTF????? stay at home....
   WTF, well why not let her trapze around the neighborhood to kill another child. Am I frustrated, I'm so far beyond it I could scream. Even the thought of that evil witch maybe being able to stay home sends chills.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:53:03 PM
Date set for certification hearing in murder case

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty held a press conference this morning at the Prenger Juvenile Center announcing the certification hearing will be held on Nov. 18 at 8 a.m. for the 15-year-old girl suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten.

The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details about the suspect will be made available to the public.

A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge the 15-year-old with first-degree murder for Olten’s death.

Police said the suspect was acquainted with Olten and lived in the area.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368330

WTF????? stay at home....

If you have been reading comments on the local articles the majority are very definite that she should be tried as an adult, and should be getting the death penalty.  The community seems very disgusted by this and want justice.  Some are saying a single bullet will help the court system that is in crisis, others are saying public hanging to set an example.  This will not be a good situation if they let her go home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 12:53:09 PM
Date set for certification hearing in murder case

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty held a press conference this morning at the Prenger Juvenile Center announcing the certification hearing will be held on Nov. 18 at 8 a.m. for the 15-year-old girl suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten.

The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details about the suspect will be made available to the public.

A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge the 15-year-old with first-degree murder for Olten’s death.

Police said the suspect was acquainted with Olten and lived in the area.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368330

WTF????? stay at home....

Oh yes. The head of the juvie facility has already said there are only 40 beds...... ::MonkeyMad::  Surely she couldn't be a threat to society now, could she?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 27, 2009, 12:59:17 PM
Who is the Governor of MO?  And what have they had to say about this?  Haven't heard much but just locals. TIA, lovin


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:00:25 PM


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 01:00:33 PM
Date set for certification hearing in murder case

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty held a press conference this morning at the Prenger Juvenile Center announcing the certification hearing will be held on Nov. 18 at 8 a.m. for the 15-year-old girl suspected of killing Elizabeth Olten.

The certification hearing will determine if the 15-year-old will be tried as an adult or as a juvenile. If a judge determines that the 15-year-old should be tried as an adult, more details about the suspect will be made available to the public.

A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing.

Cole County juvenile authorities have asked the Cole County juvenile court to charge the 15-year-old with first-degree murder for Olten’s death.

Police said the suspect was acquainted with Olten and lived in the area.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368330

WTF????? stay at home....

If you have been reading comments on the local articles the majority are very definite that she should be tried as an adult, and should be getting the death penalty.  The community seems very disgusted by this and want justice.  Some are saying a single bullet will help the court system that is in crisis, others are saying public hanging to set an example.  This will not be a good situation if they let her go home.

The Missouri officials have already let this whole situation get way out of hand and it looks like its gonna get a lot worse. From the Sheriff's office, to the School Board, to the Juvenile division, to the Court system! They have passed this around like a hot potato and it's still in motion. I hardly think it takes over two weeks to certify a juvenile as an adult! A few days, yes. Stall....that's what these cases alway end up doing, and no one wants to take responsibility for any of it. No public statements from officials, no apologies from the girl's family, nothing but rumors and gossip. Twitter...twitter...No wonder the people in the area are so up in arms.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 01:03:30 PM
Who is the Governor of MO?  And what have they had to say about this?  Haven't heard much but just locals. TIA, lovin

I think I heard he had contacted the sheriff at first offering help for the search.

Governor Jay Nixon.

http://governor.mo.gov/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 27, 2009, 01:05:39 PM
Who is the Governor of MO?  And what have they had to say about this?  Haven't heard much but just locals. TIA, lovin

I think I heard he had contacted the sheriff at first offering help for the search.

Governor Jay Nixon.

http://governor.mo.gov/
Hot Potato, you've got that right.  Thanks Fanny Mae!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2009, 01:13:31 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Are they kidding? They're going to let her come home??   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 01:20:10 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Are they kidding? They're going to let her come home??   ::MonkeyEek::


They only have 40 beds, I say grab a cot and throw it in a corner, that will work. And as far as some in the community screaming the death penalty, that can't happen for one thing, and I frankly will be surprised if she even gets the proper sentence, watch, she is mentally ill, and so they will throw her in an institution to come out when she is rehabilitated. To come out crazier, angrier and eviler than when she was put in  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 01:21:57 PM
I had errands and have only had a chance to read back one page, but OH. MY. GOD.

This is crazy.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 01:23:26 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Are they kidding? They're going to let her come home??   ::MonkeyEek::


They only have 40 beds, I say grab a cot and throw it in a corner, that will work. And as far as some in the community screaming the death penalty, that can't happen for one thing, and I frankly will be surprised if she even gets the proper sentence, watch, she is mentally ill, and so they will throw her in an institution to come out when she is rehabilitated. To come out crazier, angrier and eviler than when she was put in  ::MonkeyNoNo::

this is stupid as hell.

She needs to be in protective custody.  They can put her in the big people's jail, in protective custody - they've done it before with minors.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 27, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
This is just insane! since when do they just let killers go home and wait it out!?!?!? WTF?

Hi Northern!

I am off to Dr. see you all later

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:34:21 PM
This is just insane! since when do they just let killers go home and wait it out!?!?!? WTF?

Hi Northern!

I am off to Dr. see you all later

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree about insane.  It is not safe for the other minors that live in that house on so many levels.  Grandma was running a daycare out of the House as well.  Holy Smoly they better have a big broom and bigger flame resistant rug if they really want this hot potatoe to stay under a rug.  By all accounts if they actually let her go home, is the state not knowingly putting other minors at risk?    ::MonkeyMad::

Hope your appointment goes well.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:37:06 PM
Amber Alert program is making a difference

<Snipped>
In the past three years, Keith said, there have been more than 50 Amber Alert cases in which the abductor heard about the alert and abandoned the child.

At 7:30 p.m. tonight, there will be a vigil for Somer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten at the Franklin Street pedestrian mall in downtown Tampa, Keith said.

Somer, 7, of Orange Park, was found slain last week at a Georgia landfill.

Elizabeth, 9, was found dead in Missouri woods last week, two days after she went missing.

Keith expects many symposium attendees to attend the vigil, including relatives of past abductees.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/27/amber-alert-focus-national-symposium-tampa/news-metro/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 01:40:11 PM
This is just insane! since when do they just let killers go home and wait it out!?!?!? WTF?

Hi Northern!

I am off to Dr. see you all later

 ::MonkeyAngel::
This is insane  ::MonkeyShocked::  Good luck at the doctors I'm thinking about you.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 01:40:48 PM
Amber Alert program is making a difference

<Snipped>
In the past three years, Keith said, there have been more than 50 Amber Alert cases in which the abductor heard about the alert and abandoned the child.

At 7:30 p.m. tonight, there will be a vigil for Somer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten at the Franklin Street pedestrian mall in downtown Tampa, Keith said.

Somer, 7, of Orange Park, was found slain last week at a Georgia landfill.

Elizabeth, 9, was found dead in Missouri woods last week, two days after she went missing.

Keith expects many symposium attendees to attend the vigil, including relatives of past abductees.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/27/amber-alert-focus-national-symposium-tampa/news-metro/

O/T The Anthonys showed up a Sommer's funeral today, so they are sure to show up at the vigil. Sigh.......  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:41:38 PM
If any one of her siblings are in fact the ones that gave the hand written notes to LE which led them to her, how safe does anyone think it would be to send her home until her hearing knowing that the person who turned you in sleeps there?   I need a Linda Blair head spinning monkey and a barf bag monkey thinking about this. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:42:27 PM
Amber Alert program is making a difference

<Snipped>
In the past three years, Keith said, there have been more than 50 Amber Alert cases in which the abductor heard about the alert and abandoned the child.

At 7:30 p.m. tonight, there will be a vigil for Somer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten at the Franklin Street pedestrian mall in downtown Tampa, Keith said.

Somer, 7, of Orange Park, was found slain last week at a Georgia landfill.

Elizabeth, 9, was found dead in Missouri woods last week, two days after she went missing.

Keith expects many symposium attendees to attend the vigil, including relatives of past abductees.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/27/amber-alert-focus-national-symposium-tampa/news-metro/

O/T The Anthonys showed up a Sommer's funeral today, so they are sure to show up at the vigil. Sigh.......  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyMad::    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
If any one of her siblings are in fact the ones that gave the hand written notes to LE which led them to her, how safe does anyone think it would be to send her home until her hearing knowing that the person who turned you in sleeps there?   I need a Linda Blair head spinning monkey and a barf bag monkey thinking about this. 
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/511-doll-head-spin.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:56:31 PM
Hearings set for teen accused of killing girl

JEFFERSON CITY, MO. (AP) -- A 15-year-old accused of killing 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten is to appear in a Missouri court Wednesday.
   
Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said Tuesday the hearing is to determine whether the teen should continue to be detained. Couty says the 15-year-old would appear by videoconference, and a hearing is scheduled for Nov. 18 to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult.   

Both hearings could be open to the public.
   
Police have not released the suspect's name or gender, but say Elizabeth and the 15-year-old lived in the same area and were acquainted. Hundreds of people searched a woody area in St. Martins after Elizabeth did not return home from a friend's house. Her body was discovered Friday.

http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=368364


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 01:57:42 PM
If any one of her siblings are in fact the ones that gave the hand written notes to LE which led them to her, how safe does anyone think it would be to send her home until her hearing knowing that the person who turned you in sleeps there?   I need a Linda Blair head spinning monkey and a barf bag monkey thinking about this. 
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/511-doll-head-spin.gif)


That is exactly the one!  TY


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
Just think if the powers that be let this 15 year old go home, and she kills someone in the neighborhood or her family, imagine what would happen, it is just good old common sense to make sure this girl stays put  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 02:12:52 PM
This is just insane! since when do they just let killers go home and wait it out!?!?!? WTF?

Hi Northern!

I am off to Dr. see you all later

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree about insane.  It is not safe for the other minors that live in that house on so many levels.  Grandma was running a daycare out of the House as well.  Holy Smoly they better have a big broom and bigger flame resistant rug if they really want this hot potatoe to stay under a rug.  By all accounts if they actually let her go home, is the state not knowingly putting other minors at risk?    ::MonkeyMad::

Hope your appointment goes well.  ::MonkeyKiss::

yes.  Putting the other minors at risk.

And certainly putting their entire case at risk.  This girl could very well do away with herself.  Or there could be acts of violence against her and her family.

Don't forget the FOX webcam and protesters in front of the Scamthonys.

It would be a circus, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 27, 2009, 02:15:43 PM
Amber Alert program is making a difference

<Snipped>
In the past three years, Keith said, there have been more than 50 Amber Alert cases in which the abductor heard about the alert and abandoned the child.

At 7:30 p.m. tonight, there will be a vigil for Somer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten at the Franklin Street pedestrian mall in downtown Tampa, Keith said.

Somer, 7, of Orange Park, was found slain last week at a Georgia landfill.

Elizabeth, 9, was found dead in Missouri woods last week, two days after she went missing.

Keith expects many symposium attendees to attend the vigil, including relatives of past abductees.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/27/amber-alert-focus-national-symposium-tampa/news-metro/

O/T The Anthonys showed up a Sommer's funeral today, so they are sure to show up at the vigil. Sigh.......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2encldf.jpg)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
I know this is hard to read.  I could not get a closer zoom without a subscription.  I am posting it more for the picture of Bill Currie.

http://epaper.wehco.com/Daily/skins/JeffersonCity/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 02:53:30 PM
Thanks Northern


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 03:00:24 PM
Reader comments:

are you kidding me?
Are they seriously going to consider letting this kid go home until the hearing? From what I have seen and read, he/she IS a threat to society as well as any and all family members who reside in her household. If wrong decisions are made along the way in this case, I have a feeling this community will pour out an outrage like Jefferson City has never seen.

 
Are they serious??
 If they are stupid enough to let the suspect out pending trial I suspect there won't be any trial needed.

 
Justice?
"A detention meeting will be held tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. to discuss whether the suspect will remain in the custody of the court or stay at her home until the certification hearing."

Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!

This 15 year old girl is satan's child by her obvious acts! Now, we should house her, educate her, and let her live all of the honest taxpayers? I have to pay for my daughter's education!

I hope she gets to go home and wait for court.....PLEASE I hope somebody saves us all the money and gets rid of her!

Sick to death of children dying for the sake of one selfish act!

R.I.P. Elizabeth......cc
 
outraged parent
What are you kidding me? Why would they consider the release of this child. I can tell you one thing if she relased they better expect for Jeff City public scholls to be emptied out. I will not sit by and hear that she killed another child. This is wrong and this girl deserves to sit in her little hole not be free. What kind of message does releasing her give. I will camp out right in front of this girls house to make sure that my child is safe. Watch for my tent if they release her!!!!!!!
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=368330


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 03:04:26 PM
Who is the Governor of MO?  And what have they had to say about this?  Haven't heard much but just locals. TIA, lovin

Jay Nixon (D) ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 27, 2009, 03:06:10 PM
Sorry if already posted

Obituaries
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(January 16, 1944 - October 26, 2009)

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William "Bill" Currie, Jr., 65, of Jefferson City, Missouri, passed away Monday, October 26, 2009, at his home.
Arrangements are Pending at the HOUSER-MILLARD Funeral Directors, 2613 West Main Street; Jefferson City, Missouri 65109. (573) 636-3838. www.millardfamilychapels.com


 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 03:11:08 PM
Thanks to everyone who has been posting the updates. 

I  have been in and out here and on other threads.  NR you are an ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 27, 2009, 03:12:22 PM
Oh yeah..... the comments -- people are outraged, as well they should be.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=368330


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 27, 2009, 03:13:45 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TK880SFSBSKETJK2F/p2#lastPost


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Thanks to everyone who has been posting the updates. 

I  have been in and out here and on other threads.  NR you are an ::MonkeyAngel::

ditto!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 03:37:28 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TK880SFSBSKETJK2F/p2#lastPost

thanks Nut.

People are extremely angry!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 03:42:59 PM
Oh yeah..... the comments -- people are outraged, as well they should be.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=368330

Thanks Nut....my DH works for the State of Mo and happens to be in Jeff City today. He called me earlier and during our conversation he told me people are outraged.  At the crime, the Sheriff and the secrecy.

Edit to fix typo.  MB


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 03:44:17 PM
is Elizabeth's service private?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 03:44:25 PM
Oh yeah..... the comments -- people are outraged, as well they should be.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=368330

Thanks Nut....my DH works for the State of Mo and happens to be in Jeff City today. He called me earlier and during our conversation he told me people are outraged.  At the crime, the Sheriff and the secrecy.

That was my DH......not DG ::MonkeyNoNo::
Edit:  I fixed it Sunny.  Yep, I'm pretty upset too that  they seem to be even considering this suspect may be able to stay at home until the hearing.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 03:45:29 PM
I know this is hard to read.  I could not get a closer zoom without a subscription.  I am posting it more for the picture of Bill Currie.

http://epaper.wehco.com/Daily/skins/JeffersonCity/


Thank NR


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 27, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
is Elizabeth's service private?

COLE COUNTY -- Funeral plans for Elizabeth Olten have been scheduled.

Both the visitation and funeral are open to the public.

A visitation is planned Tuesday evening from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home on West Main in Jefferson City.

The funeral is set for Wednesday at 2 p.m. at Concord Baptist Church on West Truman Blvd.

Elizabeth's body will then be transported by horse-drawn hearse to Hawthorn Memorial Gardens.

Expressions of sympathy can be made to the Missouri Missing organization in memory of Elizabeth Olten.

Viewers have asked if Elizabeth's father and brother, Dale Olten Sr. and Dale Olten Jr., would be released from prison to attend Elizabeth's funeral.

Both men are behind bars at Northeast Correctional Center in Bowling Green, Mo. on drug and burglary charges.

We checked with the Missouri Department of Corrections.

A spokesperson there says department policy says offenders are not allowed to be released for funerals or visitations.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=367988


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 27, 2009, 03:55:46 PM
I am wondering if it is standard procedure that they have a meeting to determine if they are to stay in jail or be sent home to await trial.

I don't think any judge in thier right mind would send this girl back home. Not only would it be a danger to society, but to her as well. They will detain her, if there is no room they will move her to another county, that is my guess anyway.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 04:00:19 PM
I am wondering if it is standard procedure that they have a meeting to determine if they are to stay in jail or be sent home to await trial.

I don't think any judge in thier right mind would send this girl back home. Not only would it be a danger to society, but to her as well. They will detain her, if there is no room they will move her to another county, that is my guess anyway.

I agree.

What I find interesting is there is SO MUCH that has not been released to the public.

They choose to release this?  Why would they tell the public this?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
is Elizabeth's service private?

COLE COUNTY -- Funeral plans for Elizabeth Olten have been scheduled.

Both the visitation and funeral are open to the public.

A visitation is planned Tuesday evening from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. at the Houser-Millard Funeral Home on West Main in Jefferson City.

The funeral is set for Wednesday at 2 p.m. at Concord Baptist Church on West Truman Blvd.

Elizabeth's body will then be transported by horse-drawn hearse to Hawthorn Memorial Gardens.

Expressions of sympathy can be made to the Missouri Missing organization in memory of Elizabeth Olten.

Viewers have asked if Elizabeth's father and brother, Dale Olten Sr. and Dale Olten Jr., would be released from prison to attend Elizabeth's funeral.

Both men are behind bars at Northeast Correctional Center in Bowling Green, Mo. on drug and burglary charges.

We checked with the Missouri Department of Corrections.

A spokesperson there says department policy says offenders are not allowed to be released for funerals or visitations.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=367988

thanks, Sunny!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 04:08:03 PM
15-year-old faces hearings in girl’s death
St. Martins case a juvenile matter.

JEFFERSON CITY — Cole County juvenile justice officials said a 15-year-old girl suspected in the murder of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten of St. Martins has two court dates ahead.

The first, a detention hearing set tomorrow, will take place by conference call at 9 a.m. and will determine whether she should remain in custody or be released into the community while awaiting trial. Cole County Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said his office will ask that a judge order the juvenile to remain in detention at a juvenile facility.

Couty said the juvenile, identified by another official as female, has met with her family and her lawyer, Kurt Valentine. Couty declined to say where she is being held or describe her demeanor.

“We are taking every precaution that we need to take in order to ensure the protection of that individual,” Couty said at a news conference.

He characterized the case as “unusual” and said it is the first juvenile murder case in Cole County in four years.

On Wednesday evening, 9-year-old Elizabeth disappeared after she set out to walk about a quarter-mile home from a friend’s house in St. Martins. After a massive search-and-rescue operation involving hundreds of volunteers, Cole County Sheriff Greg White said physical and written evidence had led authorities to the suspect. After being interviewed, the suspect led authorities to Elizabeth’s body hidden in a thickly wooded area not far from her home on Route D.

Couty and victims’ advocates from the county prosecutor’s office and the FBI met yesterday with Elizabeth’s mother to explain the details of the case to her.

A certification hearing is scheduled Nov. 18 in Division 1 at the Cole County Courthouse to determine whether the suspect should stand trial in adult court. Couty said the court will evaluate 10 key areas during the hearing, including the suspect’s age, the seriousness of the crime and safety of the community, whether the offense involved viciousness and violence, whether the juvenile has a history of crime and whether the juvenile could benefit from treatment.

Collecting that information might require extensive interviews with family, teachers and caregivers, he said. After collecting the information, Couty’s office will make a recommendation to the court at the certification hearing. “We’ve got to determine, ‘Do we have the capability of taking care of this individual within the juvenile court setting, or would it be beneficial to transfer this case to the adult?’ ” he said.

Samantha Green, legal counsel to the juvenile office who will present the recommendation in court, said extra weight might be applied to one of the 10 factors to determine whether the girl should stand trial as an adult.

The difference between the juvenile and adult systems can be major. The juvenile system is primarily concerned with treatment while the adult system focuses on detention, punishment and protecting the public.

“Someone mentioned the word ‘punishment.’ We do not punish juveniles,” Couty said. “We treat them, and we try to find the most appropriate setting when they stay in this system here. We look at treatment and rehabilitative services in this system here. …We’re different than the adult system.”

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/27/15-year-old-faces-hearings-in-girls-death/

Reader comments:

soboco says...
"Someone mentioned the word ‘punishment.’ We do not punish juveniles,” Couty said. “We treat them, and we try to find the most appropriate setting when they stay in this system here. We look at treatment and rehabilitative services in this system here. …We’re different than the adult system.”

Are you kidding me....we do not punish juveniles...that is the craziest thing I have heard in a long time. Give her treatment while she is being punished in jail if that makes it sound better to you.

Puck says...
@soboco:
Juveniles are treated with kid gloves.
Some get free trips to the circus for being bad.
Murdering juveniles might even get cotton candy.

tweety40 says...
I heard some rumor, that if it is true, this girl is very cold blooded! I feel for all concerned especially Elizabeth's mom and the parents of the girl who did this. I can not imagine how I would feel being either parent, nor do I want to!

oldpartygirl says...
She did an adult crime, why shouldn't she be certified? Treatment?? Please!!!

railnut26 says...
I have heard disturbing rumors also. I knew a couple of days ago it was a female and if the other details that I got are correct, then this was a premeditated act that was thought out and planned for at least a week. In my opinion there typically are few reasons to certify a minor as an adult, if this was in fact premeditated, and as cold blooded as I have heard, it's time to take off the "kid" gloves and teach some lessons.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 27, 2009, 04:32:00 PM
you guys are one step ahead of me  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
“Someone mentioned the word ‘punishment.’ We do not punish juveniles,” Couty said. “We treat them, and we try to find the most appropriate setting when they stay in this system here. We look at treatment and rehabilitative services in this system here. …We’re different than the adult system.”   ::MonkeyEek::  I have to walk away from this for a couple hours, before I just loose it. Fine, treat and rehabilitate her all you like, slap her wrist give her some treatment, and I can tell you that any 15 year old that has done what she has done, is not going to magically turn the corner and lead a wonderful and peaceful life. Give me a break, with all this crap already. She is smart enough where she is going to fool whatever therapists that come knocking on her door, she will be able to convince after a period of time that she shows great remorse for what she has done, and that she is going to lead a productive life. Bad seed, have any of these so called specialists ever heard of it, or is that too simple for them to grasp?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
"About Kurt Valentine

In 2005, Kurt joined the Cole County Prosecutor's office as an an assistant prosecutor.He is licensed to practice in both State and Federal Court in Missouri and before the Supreme Court of the United States.

education

Kurt graduated in 1985 from the University of Kansas with a degree in Business and English.In 1990 he graduated from the University of Kansas School of Law.

experience

From 1990 until May 1996, he was an Assistant Attorney General for the State of Missouri serving as General Counsel for the Missouri Gaming Commission and the Missouri Lottery Commission.In May 1996, he left the Missouri Attorney General's Office for private practice, where for nine years he practiced criminal and family law before joining the Cole County Prosecutor's Office. "

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Valentine_Kurt_46051209.aspx


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 04:40:38 PM
oops, i'm stoopid.

here's the date for that Zoom info:

Published on: 5/5/2006    Last Visited: 8/23/2006 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 04:42:38 PM
Kurt Valentine

http://www.kurtvalentine.com/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
Remember the killings in Ada, TX?  That girl had two friends kill her family, set fire to the house, then she and another girl drove the getaway car?  I believe it was handled quietly with a giulty plea - and the girl is doing life, I believe.  I just saw an update on the family and the dad has remarried a woman with 2 boys and he has forgiven his daughter...

Anyway - do you think in light of an ex-pros taking her case, that maybe what they are going to do is get this worked out under the radar as much as possible (such as the girl in Ada?)  Maybe a quiet guilty plea, no trial?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 27, 2009, 04:46:16 PM
viewing is starting in 15 minutes?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 04:48:20 PM
Interesting case which involved both Kurt Valentine and his wife Karen Valentine. Seems as though Mr Valentine is/was the general counsel for Missouri Department of Agriculture and his wife  represented the Department of Natural Resources.

http://www.missourifarmertoday.com/articles/2009/01/02/news/hogfarm.txt


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 04:50:20 PM
Remember the killings in Ada, TX?  That girl had two friends kill her family, set fire to the house, then she and another girl drove the getaway car?  I believe it was handled quietly with a giulty plea - and the girl is doing life, I believe.  I just saw an update on the family and the dad has remarried a woman with 2 boys and he has forgiven his daughter...

Anyway - do you think in light of an ex-pros taking her case, that maybe what they are going to do is get this worked out under the radar as much as possible (such as the girl in Ada?)  Maybe a quiet guilty plea, no trial?

I have a feeling this ain't going away quietly. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 06:03:31 PM
Cole County authorities serve warrant on slain girl's neighbor
Tuesday, October 27, 2009 | 4:04 p.m. CDT
BY The Associated Press
JEFFERSON CITY — Authorities in mid-Missouri say a warrant served at a home in the neighborhood where a 9-year-old girl was found dead this past week was unrelated to the killing.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant Friday night just hours after the body of Elizabeth Olten was discovered. The department said Tuesday the warrant was related to a traffic stop, not to the girl's death.

A court hearing is scheduled Wednesday on whether a 15-year-old charged in the killing should continue to be detained.

Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty said the teen won't be in the courtroom but will take part by videoconference.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/10/27/warrant-near-mo-girls-house-unrelated-case/#c

I know I have the flu and a fever however yesterday they stated it was  a Search Warrant.  Since when do search warrants get served for traffic stops? 

::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
Court officials brief press on juvenile trial case

COLE COUNTY -- The Cole County juvenile court sets hearing dates for the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten’s murder.

The teenager suspected has been in the custody of Cole County juvenile officials since her arrest Friday.

A judge tomorrow will decide whether she remains there until a Nov. 18 hearing on whether she will be tried as an adult

Juvenile Court Administrator Michael Couty told reporters the family of murder victim Elizabeth Olten has been briefed on the case against the 15-year-old suspected in Elizabeth's death. The next step is a detention hearing.

"In the juvenile setting, we do not have bail,” Couty said. “So this is to determine if we're going to detain within our detention facility or release somewhere else.”

Couty would not discuss the demeanor of the suspect in custody, saying only that her rights are assured. "To meet with their attorney, to meet with their family, and to be protected,” Couty said.

On Nov. 18, family court Judge Jon Beetem will decide whether the teenager will stand trial as an adult.   Couty said the juvenile court staff needs the three weeks until then to evaluate the suspect against the ten criteria dictated by statute and will present their recommendation to the court on Nov. 18.

If tried as an adult, the teenager could still become eligible for treatment through the state division of youth services.

"You'd have to have a certification and you'd have to have a finding of guilt and conviction in the adult courts for dual jurisdiction,” Legal Counsel Samantha Green said.

Green will act as the prosecutor if the case remains in juvenile court.

"She is very capable of dealing with these particular issues,” Couty said. “We will be ready for court on Nov. 18.”

Recent changes in state law have opened up the hearings for juvenile suspects to the public unless the judge specifically orders they be closed.

Juvenile Authority Director Michael Couty listed 10 criteria that are considered during the certification process. The judge will ultimately decide whether to charge the suspect as a juvenile or adult.

List of criteria considered during a certification hearing:

Seriousness of offense and consider the safety of the public if suspect should be transferred to general jurisdiction
Whether the offense involved vicious force and violence
Whether the offense was against a person or property, with greater weight given to offenses against a person, especially if personal injury resulted.
Was the offense was part of a repetitive pattern of offenses, where the child may be beyond rehabilitation under the juvenile code.
The record and history of the child in juvenile system and other courts will be considered
The sophistication and maturity of the child as determined by considering home, other environmental and emotional conditions and pattern of living.
Age of the child
Consider the programs available to the juvenile system.
Whether or not the child will benefit from treatment or rehabilitation programs available to the court.
Racial disparity and certification.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368523


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 06:23:07 PM
How do you rehabilitate a 15 yr old who murders a 9 yr old? What kind of program would that be, pray tell? Are there juvenile services for this?
Snipped>
RACIAL DISPARITY AND CERTIFICATION??????? 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368523
 



Sumthin' tells me we are in for a looooonnnnggg haul on this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 06:25:11 PM
viewing is starting in 15 minutes?

Her wake is scheduled for 4-8 p.m. Tuesday at the Houser-Millard funeral home in Jefferson City. The funeral service is at 2 p.m. Wednesday at Concord Baptist Church.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: coffeetx on October 27, 2009, 06:49:18 PM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!

You mentioned her being a cute girl.  I am confused.  When I hit the above link all I get was a list of tweets from lots of people.  Am I missing something?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 07:05:11 PM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!

You mentioned her being a cute girl.  I am confused.  When I hit the above link all I get was a list of tweets from lots of people.  Am I missing something?


 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME coffeetx   ::cartwheel::

The link in the first box links you to the source of that information for that box only.  Next box is a comment about the POI which in this case is not at that link.  We have not posted the link for who we think in the  POI's twitter as LE has not named her. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 07:07:29 PM


BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 07:13:40 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 07:15:17 PM
 coffeetx   WELCOME   ::MonkeyCool::
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 07:37:03 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 07:44:57 PM
NG is covering the case tonight.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
Hi Everyone! I finally got approved. Considering tonight is Elizabeth's wake, I thought you all might enjoy this link which has pictures that aren't in the mainstream media. Warning: it's heartbreaking. http://elizabetholten.ning.com/ (http://elizabetholten.ning.com/)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:09:29 PM
 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME  espresso   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:13:07 PM
NG and local media guy talking about case

Nancy and local media guy talking about sherriff answering questions about the written evidence.  Sheriff said written letter and then other written evidence.  Speculating if this means they found a diary or something similar as well

Nancy knows her name won't say it

Local media guy says he knows her name as well and he knows she does not live with her parents won't say name either


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
Hi Everyone! I finally got approved. Considering tonight is Elizabeth's wake, I thought you all might enjoy this link which has pictures that aren't in the mainstream media. Warning: it's heartbreaking. http://elizabetholten.ning.com/ (http://elizabetholten.ning.com/)


Thank you for sharing these.  They are heart breaking


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 08:16:36 PM
Hi Everyone! I finally got approved. Considering tonight is Elizabeth's wake, I thought you all might enjoy this link which has pictures that aren't in the mainstream media. Warning: it's heartbreaking. http://elizabetholten.ning.com/ (http://elizabetholten.ning.com/)

Thank-you and WELCOME  and I love espresso  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 08:17:18 PM
Hi Everyone! I finally got approved. Considering tonight is Elizabeth's wake, I thought you all might enjoy this link which has pictures that aren't in the mainstream media. Warning: it's heartbreaking. http://elizabetholten.ning.com/ (http://elizabetholten.ning.com/)


Welcome ESPRESSO, and thank you so much for that link to those precious pictures. It gives us such a better perspective of what Liz was like.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Aunt Vicki now on NG via phone


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!

You mentioned her being a cute girl.  I am confused.  When I hit the above link all I get was a list of tweets from lots of people.  Am I missing something?

Welcome to you too COFFEETEX.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I believe her twitter site has been taken down.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 27, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
What a beautiful little girl Elizabeth was  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 08:23:13 PM
Actually, I stand corrected. Her twitter site is still up, but we are not able to put the link to it up as she is a juvenile.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:23:19 PM
Thankyou-glad to be here--it's good to know there are other driven and curious people like me who like to dig around behond the scenes!

I'm thinking that we're not hearing her name from her friends is because they are busy texting eacho other and talking. Also, seems like Facebook is more popular than myspace lately and most of them are communicating that way which is a LOT harder to access. I think Twitter is still limited for them because they have to have internet access and the fees for that on cell phones isn't something a lot of parents spring for.


I'm pretty sure that over the next few days her name is going to be out there regardless of the Sheriff trying to keep it under wraps cause people are getting righteously mad and it only takes one to post it.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:24:28 PM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!

You mentioned her being a cute girl.  I am confused.  When I hit the above link all I get was a list of tweets from lots of people.  Am I missing something?

Welcome to you too COFFEETEX.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I believe her twitter site has been taken down.

I just checked and it is still there.  She has 16 followers now up from the original 2.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:26:49 PM
Thankyou-glad to be here--it's good to know there are other driven and curious people like me who like to dig around behond the scenes!

I'm thinking that we're not hearing her name from her friends is because they are busy texting eacho other and talking. Also, seems like Facebook is more popular than myspace lately and most of them are communicating that way which is a LOT harder to access. I think Twitter is still limited for them because they have to have internet access and the fees for that on cell phones isn't something a lot of parents spring for.


I'm pretty sure that over the next few days her name is going to be out there regardless of the Sheriff trying to keep it under wraps cause people are getting righteously mad and it only takes one to post it.





Are you a local?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME Benson   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:29:27 PM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!

You mentioned her being a cute girl.  I am confused.  When I hit the above link all I get was a list of tweets from lots of people.  Am I missing something?

Welcome to you too COFFEETEX.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I believe her twitter site has been taken down.

I just checked and it is still there.  She has 16 followers now up from the original 2.


LOL- I saw that--I don't get it, she's in jail-do people really think she's gonna update? Sorry, had to say it  :roll:


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
TheEagle939: 15 y/o suspect in Elizabeth Olten&apos;s murder is confirmed sophomore at Jeff. City High School. Judge will rule this week on adult status
about 3 hours ago from web

http://twitter.com/search?q=olten#search?q=olten

she is really a cute girl if that is her...
the tweet on Sept 9th (i think) is very chilling!

You mentioned her being a cute girl.  I am confused.  When I hit the above link all I get was a list of tweets from lots of people.  Am I missing something?

Welcome to you too COFFEETEX.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I believe her twitter site has been taken down.

I just checked and it is still there.  She has 16 followers now up from the original 2.


LOL- I saw that--I don't get it, she's in jail-do people really think she's gonna update? Sorry, had to say it  :roll:

Depending on what the Juvi court decides tomorrow she just might. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:34:42 PM





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Are you a local?
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Oh gosh no-I'm a mom with kids in that age range and I know from them what's in ( Facebook) and what's out ( myspace) lol. Plus being from Florida and having experienced the Carlie Brucia murder by being a local you get a feel for how a small community works and gossips.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:38:33 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:38:49 PM
You might be right NR. I personally hope they don't release her and I also don't think they will. Casey Anthony and that fiasco is still pretty fresh in everyone's mind's with the protests. Of course,  48 hours mystery did a nice job of making sure everyone remembered the protests just last Saturday. And this is a kid to top it all off. A kid! Wow. Still blows my mind.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
You might be right NR. I personally hope they don't release her and I also don't think they will. Casey Anthony and that fiasco is still pretty fresh in everyone's mind's with the protests. Of course,  48 hours mystery did a nice job of making sure everyone remembered the protests just last Saturday. And this is a kid to top it all off. A kid! Wow. Still blows my mind.

Some of the comments on the news articles are already saying they are gonna pitch a tent in front of her house if she is let out.  So yup, not gonna be pretty if they let her out.  Plus there are minors in her house.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 08:43:20 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.

I followed the case .  Hope Couey is still rotting.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 27, 2009, 08:56:48 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.

I followed the case .  Hope Couey is still rotting.


Couey is dead. Died before they could execute him. Now I'm waiting on Joseph Smith ( Carlie Brucia)--. Today was the hearing on Michael King ( Denise Lee), don't know if you followed that but he got the death penalty and today the judge was supposed to hear from him why he should get life instead.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 09:04:53 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.

I followed the case .  Hope Couey is still rotting.


Couey is dead. Died before they could execute him. Now I'm waiting on Joseph Smith ( Carlie Brucia)--. Today was the hearing on Michael King ( Denise Lee), don't know if you followed that but he got the death penalty and today the judge was supposed to hear from him why he should get life instead.

LOL yes I know he is dead, died in Sept, but I hope he is still rotting.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.

I followed the case .  Hope Couey is still rotting.


Couey is dead. Died before they could execute him. Now I'm waiting on Joseph Smith ( Carlie Brucia)--. Today was the hearing on Michael King ( Denise Lee), don't know if you followed that but he got the death penalty and today the judge was supposed to hear from him why he should get life instead.

Michael King should be dragged behind a car till he's dead. Denise was the daughter of a deputy and even called 9/11. Very frustrating case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Now we are sitting on a case in Mo because the perp is a so-called juvenile, and everyone is running around in circles to keep from being accountable.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:08:58 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.

I wonder how she went to the diary, unless she has some inside info. I came close to demolishing my tv tonight. God help me, I hope I never have to have a defense lawyer. I think I would just throw myself on the mercy of the court and plead guilty if I was.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Scandi on October 27, 2009, 09:10:59 PM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.

I followed the case .  Hope Couey is still rotting.

Hi Northern,  I still tear up when I think of Jessica and don't ever think the sting will lessen, knowing what she went through.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I had a hard moment just now on HLN seeing Elizabeth's mother break down under the weight of losing her little girl.  God Bless her.  Yes, I think she made mistakes as so many mothers do today, giving their young children waaaay too much freedom, too little discipline and letting them run with a curious crowd.  I don't know if she ever told her little girl how important it is to have the right friends, as if they are bad ones it is easy to be led by them and hurt in many ways in the long run.  I think this mother made many wrong choices with those she held close to her heart. 

It doesn't matter now.  Elizabeth is gone.  Hopefully other mothers will realize what happened and teach their little ones about how important it is to have good people as friends.  I know all kids go thru stages.  But if they are taught right from the beginning they will surface face up to meet the world.  Elizabeth didn't have that chance IMO.

Hearing her speak I wanted to put my arms around her.  The media will not press her like they do Somer's mom.  She isn't blonde and well-spoken.  She has the very same loss.  I wish her well now and hope she will end up strong for Elizabeth.  I think she will.  It will be a whole new world for her.  xox


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:14:34 PM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME Benson   ::cartwheel::

 NORTHERN ROSE? I have gone back several pages and I haven't seen BENSON. I know we are both sick, but are you delirious, or am I?  ::MonkeyConfused::

But anyhow, WELCOME BENSON.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME Benson   ::cartwheel::

 NORTHERN ROSE? I have gone back several pages and I haven't seen BENSON. I know we are both sick, but are you delirious, or am I?  ::MonkeyConfused::

But anyhow, WELCOME BENSON.  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyTongue::  Benson was sitting in the rafters so I welcomed them. But I may have scared them.  Delirium is a definite option as well.   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
I am disappointed in the local media that not one has an update of the funeral visitation tonight which was open to the public.  They have no live feeds of the pressers and none have an update.  I hope national media are there for the funeral tomorrow as this is just not working well relying on the local media.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 09:24:58 PM
Additional Counselors Help Olten's Classmates Cope

School counselors are on hand to help students in Central Missouri after a girl was found dead.

The body of nine-year-old Elizabeth Olten was discovered in Cole County Friday.

She had been missing since Wednesday afternoon.

A fifteen-year-old was charged with her death over the weekend.

Additional counselors have been called in to help Olten's classmates cope.

"At the elementary level, there may be one or two additional  counselors who would be called upon. You know, we're very careful about how we  handle this and make sure we're age-appropriate," said David Luther of the Jefferson City School District.

Officials haven't released many details about the case.

They would only say that the suspect somehow knew Olten and lead them to her body.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199711


What about the highschool students Mr.  Luther???????


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:26:40 PM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME Benson   ::cartwheel::

 NORTHERN ROSE? I have gone back several pages and I haven't seen BENSON. I know we are both sick, but are you delirious, or am I?  ::MonkeyConfused::

But anyhow, WELCOME BENSON.  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyTongue::  Benson was sitting in the rafters so I welcomed them. But I may have scared them.  Delirium is a definite option as well.   ::cartwheel::
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:29:40 PM
Additional Counselors Help Olten's Classmates Cope

School counselors are on hand to help students in Central Missouri after a girl was found dead.

The body of nine-year-old Elizabeth Olten was discovered in Cole County Friday.

She had been missing since Wednesday afternoon.

A fifteen-year-old was charged with her death over the weekend.

Additional counselors have been called in to help Olten's classmates cope.

"At the elementary level, there may be one or two additional  counselors who would be called upon. You know, we're very careful about how we  handle this and make sure we're age-appropriate," said David Luther of the Jefferson City School District.

Officials haven't released many details about the case.

They would only say that the suspect somehow knew Olten and lead them to her body.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199711


What about the highschool students Mr.  Luther???????

Oh, then they would have to admit that they know who the perp is!  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 09:46:05 PM
Additional Counselors Help Olten's Classmates Cope

School counselors are on hand to help students in Central Missouri after a girl was found dead.

The body of nine-year-old Elizabeth Olten was discovered in Cole County Friday.

She had been missing since Wednesday afternoon.

A fifteen-year-old was charged with her death over the weekend.

Additional counselors have been called in to help Olten's classmates cope.

"At the elementary level, there may be one or two additional counselors who would be called upon. You know, we're very careful about how we  handle this and make sure we're age-appropriate," said David Luther of the Jefferson City School District.

Officials haven't released many details about the case.

They would only say that the suspect somehow knew Olten and lead them to her body.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199711


What about the highschool students Mr.  Luther???????

Oh, then they would have to admit that they know who the perp is!  ::MonkeyDevil2::

So true.  They sure seem to be in full bore CYA mode. Their statement was so odd that yesterday.  Almost like they had previous incidents and wanted to assure everyone that THIS one did not happen on school property.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 09:46:33 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 09:48:01 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome JME. And your point is?????? Why are you here??


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 09:52:40 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome JME. And your point is?????? Why are you here??

Thank you for the kind welcome.  I think I made my point very clear, I am here to ask why someone in a totally different part of the state/country etc., would spend so much time questioning our local law enforcement. 

I realize some of you are from around here too, and I am really not trying to throw stones.  What I am having a hard time with is why no one trusts the people who are trained to do their job - to do the job? 

I was under the impression this was a discussion board, I just wanted to discuss that part of this case. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 09:53:40 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Why on earth would you join a missing persons forum with your belief?  Sounds to me like you joined simply to tell us not to talk about the case.  I don't care for Nancy Grace myself but this case does belong in the news.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:54:28 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome JME. And your point is?????? Why are you here??

Thank you for the kind welcome.  I think I made my point very clear, I am here to ask why someone in a totally different part of the state/country etc., would spend so much time questioning our local law enforcement. 

I realize some of you are from around here too, and I am really not trying to throw stones.  What I am having a hard time with is why no one trusts the people who are trained to do their job - to do the job? 

I was under the impression this was a discussion board, I just wanted to discuss that part of this case. 

What part of the case do you think is ok to discuss?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 09:54:42 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome JME. And your point is?????? Why are you here??

Thank you for the kind welcome.  I think I made my point very clear, I am here to ask why someone in a totally different part of the state/country etc., would spend so much time questioning our local law enforcement. 

I realize some of you are from around here too, and I am really not trying to throw stones.  What I am having a hard time with is why no one trusts the people who are trained to do their job - to do the job? 

I was under the impression this was a discussion board, I just wanted to discuss that part of this case. 

JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 09:56:26 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome to Scared Monkeys, JME.  That's quite a first post you have there.... ::MonkeyWink::  You must have requested membership to be posting here.  Did you read here before requesting membership?  If you did, then all what you have remarked about in your post shouldn't be a surprise.  If you came here to discuss the case, that's great.  But if you came here to just trash talk me and my fellow posters, you may want to rethink about your posting. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Frankly I wish someone besides Nancy Grace or Jane Velez Mitchell talked about these cases. Greta used to do some fine coverage. But we have to get our new via the internet, and when the local media won't cover it, that is where we have to go.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 09:57:13 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Why on earth would you join a missing persons forum with your belief?  Sounds to me like you joined simply to tell us not to talk about the case.  I don't care for Nancy Grace myself but this case does belong in the news.

No, talk all you want, I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't care.  I'm just curious, what part of this case do you think belongs in news outside of our community - and why? 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 09:58:40 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Why on earth would you join a missing persons forum with your belief?  Sounds to me like you joined simply to tell us not to talk about the case.  I don't care for Nancy Grace myself but this case does belong in the news.

No, talk all you want, I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't care.  I'm just curious, what part of this case do you think belongs in news outside of our community - and why? 

Are you writing a book  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome to Scared Monkeys, JME.  That's quite a first post you have there.... ::MonkeyWink::  You must have requested membership to be posting here.  Did you read here before requesting membership?  If you did, then all what you have remarked about in your post shouldn't be a surprise.  If you came here to discuss the case, that's great.  But if you came here to just trash talk me and my fellow posters, you may want to rethink about your posting. 

Thank you for the welcome, you guys are so friendly.  I do my thinking before I post, but I appreciate the warning.  I'm not here to trash talk, I'm here to discuss.  I'm an adult, I can handle discussion.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
UPDATE: Hearing set for teen accused of killing Missouri girl

JEFFERSON CITY —A hearing scheduled Wednesday for the mid-Missouri teen accused of killing 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten will be closed to the public.

Judge Jon Beetem decided to close the hearing, which is being held to determine if the 15-year-old suspect should continue to be detained.

Michael Couty, Cole County juvenile court administrator, said Tuesday the 15-year-old would appear by videoconference.

Another hearing is scheduled for Nov. 18 to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult.

Police have not released the suspect's name or gender but say Elizabeth and the 15-year-old lived in the same area and were acquainted. Hundreds of people searched a woody area in St. Martins after Elizabeth did not return home from a friend's house. Her body was discovered Friday.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/10/27/update-hearing-set-teen-accused-killing-9-year-old-missouri-girl/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:00:33 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Why on earth would you join a missing persons forum with your belief?  Sounds to me like you joined simply to tell us not to talk about the case.  I don't care for Nancy Grace myself but this case does belong in the news.

No, talk all you want, I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't care.  I'm just curious, what part of this case do you think belongs in news outside of our community - and why? 

Anytime a child/person is murdered it belongs in the news.  We learn from each case.  hiding what happens helps nobody.  In this case we have a child (15yr old) murdering a child.  YES, it belongs in the news and we need to find out how we can stop something like this from happening.  Were there signs?  From accounts by locals, there were signs that people didn't act on.  Maybe Elizabeth could have been saved. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:01:41 PM
Good call/catch Muffy  ::Baseball::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:03:58 PM
Good call/catch Muffy  ::Baseball::

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: San on October 27, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Good call/catch Muffy  ::Baseball::

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 ::MonkeySlide::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:05:57 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:06:19 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:06:48 PM
I just don't understand why someone like JME would register to post in a forum about a case that they don't think anyone should be talking about? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:07:35 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

Welcome to Scared Monkeys, JME.  That's quite a first post you have there.... ::MonkeyWink::  You must have requested membership to be posting here.  Did you read here before requesting membership?  If you did, then all what you have remarked about in your post shouldn't be a surprise.  If you came here to discuss the case, that's great.  But if you came here to just trash talk me and my fellow posters, you may want to rethink about your posting. 

Thank you for the welcome, you guys are so friendly.  I do my thinking before I post, but I appreciate the warning.  I'm not here to trash talk, I'm here to discuss.  I'm an adult, I can handle discussion.

Are you related to anyone involved in this? You said we were critizing your LE and we didn't have the right, so are you connected to LE? Why do you think I shouldn't care if I live in Ohio? Is it supposed to be JC's little dirty secret and no one else is to know?  Do you have kids, and are you afraid for them after it happened?  Just trying to clarify.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: San on October 27, 2009, 10:08:23 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?

Maybe you should read your first post again and you might have your answer.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:10:09 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?

JME - wondering about WHY we bother discussing cases like this is not discussing the case.  It is considered trolling for trouble.  If you don't want to discuss the case then I suggest you don't bother posting.  We will continue to post about the case and will continue to SPECULATE about the suspect since LE won't say who he/SHE is.  Most of us are pretty sure who she is though and I have screen captures of all her social networking sites along with some of her posts.  As soon as her name is made public everything we know about her will be posted.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:12:16 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?

Maybe you should read your first post again and you might have your answer.

Naw.  That makes too much sense, San.  Remember, JME said they are an adult and they think before they post.  So what does that mean?  Hmmmmmm.....????    I guess it means there are all kinds of adults, and no telling what JME was thinking before they posted.  There's your sign.   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:12:29 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?
snipped>

FROM YOUR FIRST POST:
NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

So I am challenging your statement. I felt I was being knocked, and so do the other monkeys here.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:13:20 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?

JME - wondering about WHY we bother discussing cases like this is not discussing the case.  It is considered trolling for trouble.  If you don't want to discuss the case then I suggest you don't bother posting.  We will continue to post about the case and will continue to SPECULATE about the suspect since LE won't say who he/SHE is.  Most of us are pretty sure who she is though and I have screen captures of all her social networking sites along with some of her posts.  As soon as her name is made public everything we know about her will be posted.
Juvi spokesperson confirmed She was a She so we got that right.   ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:13:53 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 

It is not kept as a dirty little secret, everyone knows and anyone who wants to know can find out -obviously.  I get the curiosity (I guess) Why 'investigate', why not wait until the facts are out there, the jury has made the decision and the criminal is off the streets to learn from it?  I mean, what are you going to do now?  --And seriously, who has to be informed how to protect their children through the national news media? 

I certainly did not join this forum to tell everyone to 'shut up' , think what you want, say what you want.  I do. 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
Good call/catch Muffy  ::Baseball::

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 ::MonkeySlide::

I've got my popcorn!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:15:56 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 

It is not kept as a dirty little secret, everyone knows and anyone who wants to know can find out -obviously.  I get the curiosity (I guess) Why 'investigate', why not wait until the facts are out there, the jury has made the decision and the criminal is off the streets to learn from it?  I mean, what are you going to do now?  --And seriously, who has to be informed how to protect their children through the national news media? 

I certainly did not join this forum to tell everyone to 'shut up' , think what you want, say what you want.  I do. 



You have to be kidding?  That's all you have been doing, telling us to shut up about it. Telling us we are wasting out time.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:17:48 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 

It is not kept as a dirty little secret, everyone knows and anyone who wants to know can find out -obviously.  I get the curiosity (I guess) Why 'investigate', why not wait until the facts are out there, the jury has made the decision and the criminal is off the streets to learn from it?  I mean, what are you going to do now?  --And seriously, who has to be informed how to protect their children through the national news media? 

I certainly did not join this forum to tell everyone to 'shut up' , think what you want, say what you want.  I do. 



So I will ask again, what is proper for us to discuss?. I have asked you several questions which you have avoided. So I will ask again, what are your motives and what do you want to discuss? I'll discuss all night if you want to.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
Fanny Mae, there is no challenge.  It's just a bunch of baloney.  Do you think someone that seriously wants to dialog does a first post like that?  No way.  I think it's someone that has a bone to pick with Klaasend.  Read each post and reply again.  It's Klaas they want.  Too bad, too sad.  She is no fool.  I'm not taking JME seriously and you shouldn't either Fanny Mae.  Sticks and stones and all that... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Who's on first?   ::Baseball::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: San on October 27, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 

It is not kept as a dirty little secret, everyone knows and anyone who wants to know can find out -obviously.  I get the curiosity (I guess) Why 'investigate', why not wait until the facts are out there, the jury has made the decision and the criminal is off the streets to learn from it?  I mean, what are you going to do now?  --And seriously, who has to be informed how to protect their children through the national news media?  

I certainly did not join this forum to tell everyone to 'shut up' , think what you want, say what you want.  I do. 


Are you serious.  There are plenty of people who have learned about many cases on how children were abducted and killed through the news media.  On how there are many pedophiles in their neighborhood.  It is the news media that helps the amber alert system.  It's news and people learn from each case.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:21:07 PM
Heeeeeyyyyyyy Battter Batter!!!!   ::Baseball::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: San on October 27, 2009, 10:22:36 PM
Who's on first?   ::Baseball::

What's on second.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:23:01 PM
I just don't understand why someone like JME would register to post in a forum about a case that they don't think anyone should be talking about? ::MonkeyCool::

I never said you shouldn't be talking about it, that is your own guilty conscious.  I simply asked why.  People should be aware of this case, but where do you draw the line between caring and an obsession??

This 15 year old girl is like a lot of other 15 year old girls around here.  I honestly do not think there is anything that could be done...

I have a lot to say.

I'm connected to the MPFC, I've got a lot of friends in LE, I know what goes on in this town - and I'm not a trouble maker.  I'm a local trying to figure out why in the world no one trusts our guys to do the right thing?  At this stage in the game shouldn't you trust them?  When the time is right, they are going to give pertinent information.  We don't want to jeopardize the case.  Besides the girl is a minor, you cant expect them to share THAT much...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 10:23:16 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: San on October 27, 2009, 10:23:16 PM
Heeeeeyyyyyyy Battter Batter!!!!   ::Baseball::

Swing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:23:19 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 

It is not kept as a dirty little secret, everyone knows and anyone who wants to know can find out -obviously.  I get the curiosity (I guess) Why 'investigate', why not wait until the facts are out there, the jury has made the decision and the criminal is off the streets to learn from it?  I mean, what are you going to do now?  --And seriously, who has to be informed how to protect their children through the national news media? 

I certainly did not join this forum to tell everyone to 'shut up' , think what you want, say what you want.  I do. 




No it is not kept a secret and the information will come out in due course whether we are local or not , and whether we are local or not we care about children who are murdered. 


NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

Can you please explain your last statement?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:24:21 PM
Wow JME - you've been at this "stay out of our business" stuff for a few days now on other local media websites.  I won't post your comments from http://www.connectmidmissouri.com but you clearly don't like people inserting themselves into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:24:43 PM
Fanny Mae, there is no challenge.  It's just a bunch of baloney.  Do you think someone that seriously wants to dialog does a first post like that?  No way.  I think it's someone that has a bone to pick with Klaasend.  Read each post and reply again.  It's Klaas they want.  Too bad, too sad.  She is no fool.  I'm not taking JME seriously and you shouldn't either Fanny Mae.  Sticks and stones and all that... ::MonkeyTongue::

I noticed the gallery expanded just before JME started posting, and now it has grown even more.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:25:09 PM
WELCOME jme

I would hope that every missing and murdered child's case was covered by all the media and not kept local like it was  a dirty little secret to be put in a closet.  From the mother to the judge they all need to know to protect our precious children. 

It is not kept as a dirty little secret, everyone knows and anyone who wants to know can find out -obviously.  I get the curiosity (I guess) Why 'investigate', why not wait until the facts are out there, the jury has made the decision and the criminal is off the streets to learn from it?  I mean, what are you going to do now?  --And seriously, who has to be informed how to protect their children through the national news media?  

I certainly did not join this forum to tell everyone to 'shut up' , think what you want, say what you want.  I do. 


Are you serious.  There are plenty of people who have learned about many cases on how children were abducted and killed through the news media.  On how there are many pedophiles in their neighborhood.  It is the news media that helps the amber alert system.  It's news and people learn from each case.

Right.  But when does it end?  We've found her body, we've got someone in custody.  Will there just be constant speculation until all the facts are out there?  Yes. So why sit around and taint the case?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:26:02 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:26:28 PM
Who's on first?   ::Baseball::

What's on second.

I'm calling a time out...I can't seem to find the dialog.  Lemme take a look see here.  And while I'm at it, maybe jme can see if they can find their manners  :smt044 :smt044


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:26:47 PM
Wow JME - you've been at this "stay out of our business" stuff for a few days now on other local media websites.  I won't post your comments from http://www.connectmidmissouri.com but you clearly don't like people inserting themselves into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::


do you have a little winking monkey I can use?  I don't see one...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:27:03 PM
JME - how are we tainting the case?  You think the Scared Monkeys forum is going to affect the jury selection come trial?  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
Fanny Mae, there is no challenge.  It's just a bunch of baloney.  Do you think someone that seriously wants to dialog does a first post like that?  No way.  I think it's someone that has a bone to pick with Klaasend.  Read each post and reply again.  It's Klaas they want.  Too bad, too sad.  She is no fool.  I'm not taking JME seriously and you shouldn't either Fanny Mae.  Sticks and stones and all that... ::MonkeyTongue::

I noticed the gallery expanded just before JME started posting, and now it has grown even more.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Popcorn, anyone?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 

and the name matters because...

She WANTS this attention...she is getting what she wants.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:28:06 PM
Wow JME - you've been at this "stay out of our business" stuff for a few days now on other local media websites.  I won't post your comments from http://www.connectmidmissouri.com but you clearly don't like people inserting themselves into this case.   ::MonkeyWink::


do you have a little winking monkey I can use?  I don't see one...

You mean this one?   :smt098


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:28:44 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 

and the name matters because...

She WANTS this attention...she is getting what she wants.

What's in it for you?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:29:31 PM
JME - how are we tainting the case?  You think the Scared Monkeys forum is going to affect the jury selection come trial?  ::MonkeyDevil::

JME can you also answer how we are involved in the investigation while you are at it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:31:53 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 

and the name matters because...

She WANTS this attention...she is getting what she wants.

So you are saying she gets to watch tv and read on the net all day to see how much attention she has gotten?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 10:33:07 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 

and the name matters because...

She WANTS this attention...she is getting what she wants.

and the name matters because...

I like to be aware of where all potential child killers are living for safety reasons.  If she is guilty as charged.  wink wink



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 27, 2009, 10:34:03 PM
i love lurking ...... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:36:35 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 

and the name matters because...

She WANTS this attention...she is getting what she wants.

and the name matters because...

I like to be aware of where all potential child killers are living for safety reasons.  If she is guilty as charged.  wink wink



Good point Fatcat especially if she stays in the Juvi system which can only keep her till she is 21.  Want to make sure I keep her on my "not to be called as babysitter list" after they have rehabilitated and treated her.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 10:36:55 PM
I was in the rafters, just reading not signed in.  I wanted to know if there has been any possible motive given.

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

BTW, this is a Missing Persons' Forum.  Discussing such cases is what we do here.  Have been doing it for years.  It is not a reflection on any particular investigation or missing person.  We follow them as we can and as we have the special interest and support to do.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Wyks on October 27, 2009, 10:38:09 PM
Scooch over Walter, I brought enough popcorn for sharing.   ::MonkeyDevil::


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:38:46 PM
i love lurking ...... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Lurking is good. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/511-doll-head-spin.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 27, 2009, 10:39:54 PM
Scooch over Walter, I brought enough popcorn for sharing.   ::MonkeyDevil::


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LoL


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:40:32 PM
i love lurking ...... ::MonkeyJnBox::

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:40:40 PM
I was in the rafters, just reading not signed in.  I wanted to know if there has been any possible motive given.

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

BTW, this is a Missing Persons' Forum.  Discussing such cases is what we do here.  Have been doing it for years.  It is not a reflection on any particular investigation or missing person.  We follow them as we can and as we have the special interest and support to do.

Thank you.  I'm good with that answer. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 10:41:16 PM
Thank you Klaas.  I was trying to go thru past HP juvie cases like the Menendez Brothers and couldn't remember how it goes down.  I personally think if charged w/guilt the name should always be released.  But hey that's jmo.  I like to know who and what society is made up of and who the killer next door might be.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 10:41:34 PM
I have a question?  Do they release the name of the juvie suspect after she is charged?  I don't recall how juvie cases work, but it seems like we get the name at some point.

If they are going to try her as an adult, yes they will release info.  That should be decided by Nov 18. 

and the name matters because...

She WANTS this attention...she is getting what she wants.

and the name matters because...

I like to be aware of where all potential child killers are living for safety reasons.  If she is guilty as charged.  wink wink



We have the open court system in this counrty for a very good reason.  It is in the best interest of all that information be made public whenever possible.  If this juvenile's name is withheld, so be it.  If it is released, we have the right to know.  Public records are public for a reason.


It even benefits the accused in that it assures fair trials.  It's our nation's system of checks and balances.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mymonkey on October 27, 2009, 10:42:17 PM
Scooch over Walter, I brought enough popcorn for sharing.   ::MonkeyDevil::


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LOL...kinda like being a nosy neighbor ::MonkeyJnBox::



LoL


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:42:51 PM
I was in the rafters, just reading not signed in.  I wanted to know if there has been any possible motive given.

What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

BTW, this is a Missing Persons' Forum.  Discussing such cases is what we do here.  Have been doing it for years.  It is not a reflection on any particular investigation or missing person.  We follow them as we can and as we have the special interest and support to do.

Thank you.  I'm good with that answer. 

We are running around in circles here. Let's talk. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif) (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif) (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif) (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
Hi Anna - that was a great explanation, thank you!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 10:43:12 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

We follow a lot of cases.  Sometimes we find things that help law enforcement in their investigation.  We offer support to each other, because we all want to know WHY these things happen, and want to know if there is anything we can do to make them happen less often.

Because we have followed a lot of these cases, we have seen how different LE departments handle these things, and, frankly, there are things in this case that could bear further scrutiny.  They found Elizabeth's phone Thursday morning.  Her body was "in the vicinity" of her phone, but it took more than 24 hours after that to find her body?  Somebody missed something they should not have.  We also heard that assistance from a larger and more experienced investigative body was turned down.  That is never a good sign.

We are also concerned about the School Board.  We have not heard that counsellors were provided to the POI's school.  Why?  Do they not think it's traumatic for the high school kids to know that their classmate is accused of such a heinous crime?  And what about the death of the teacher?  When my husband died in similar circumstances, counsellors were provided for students at his school, because losing a teacher under such circumstances can be traumatic, also.  The school board seems to be in CYA mode--"It didn't happen on school grounds...it's an isolated incident...it's not our fault..."

Yes, we speculate.  We speculate based on available facts.  It is our Constitutional right so to do.  We are not like the people on the news sites advocating execution without a trial, and why not string up the POI's family while we are at it. 

Do you think we should all just pack up our tents and leave because her body was found?  What dirty laundry in Jefferson County are you afraid of seeing exposed to the light of day?

We KNOW who the POI is.  But we are not posting that, because she is a minor and we are concerned for her rights and for the legitimacy of the trial that is to come.

But, most of all, Jme, WE CARE.  We care about every lost and murdered child we hear about, and we want to see JUSTICE for that child and his or her family.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: my2cents on October 27, 2009, 10:43:17 PM
JME I don't just question your LE.... I question all LE.... as they are all only human and humans make mistakes.....we learn from each case....although the POI is in custody there are other predators on the loose ....If we can learn something from this case that might crack another case or help us to keep other children safe then Elizabeth did not die for no reason.

If your LE is as wonderful as you believe they are then I am sure monkeys in no way will taint the case. And you should remember LE welcomes any tips from that may help the case...I would think that you would also. JMO

Welcome to the cage.... ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mymonkey on October 27, 2009, 10:46:01 PM
i love lurking ...... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Lurking is good. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/511-doll-head-spin.gif)


sorry i quoted on the wrong post


lurking is kinda like being the nosy next door neighbor. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/hi_pum1.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2009, 10:46:28 PM
Gee, I guess up until now we have been running SM all wrong, I guess we were suppose to log in and sit and not say anything and only post newspaper articles and just wait to see what is being let out about what is goin on with whom and who is at fault and all that jazz,   Uhhh NOT, this is SM, this is what we do, this is what we are here for, and Im sure JME knew that when they regeistered as I  dont think they would just register without ever reading or anything here, so.......


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 10:48:04 PM
NG is saying that LE thinks there is clearly premeditation.  Is that right?  I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.

And Monkeys -  Please don't lurk  -  you get fat doin that!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 27, 2009, 10:49:20 PM


JME - I'll ask you again.  Why is it bothering you what other people do with their time?


Sorry, I didn't see you ask it a first time.  It does not bother me what people do with their time.  I'm here aren't I?  I'm not knocking the discussion forum, geeze -why so defensive?

Maybe you should read your first post again and you might have your answer.

Naw.  That makes too much sense, San.  Remember, JME said they are an adult and they think before they post.  So what does that mean?  Hmmmmmm.....????    I guess it means there are all kinds of adults, and no telling what JME was thinking before they posted.  There's your sign.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Muffy~thought you might like this.........


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:49:28 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:50:45 PM
JME, WHERE ARE YOU!
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:51:52 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

What do you think should be done with a 15 yr old girl that murders a 9 yr old?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 10:52:04 PM
Hi Anna - that was a great explanation, thank you!

Well, you know I have your back, Klaas.  New people just have no way of knowing what you have done for the missing all these years but some of us do.

It is our intent to be a support for the victim and family when they are innocent victims also.  We support local LE almost always with the exception of Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case.  I guess to a person not  familiar with these forums, it seems odd in a way that we are so interested.

I do remember my first experience with the Jessica Lunsford case and how shocked I was at some of the posts. 


But this interest by concerned regular people can lead to the enactment of new laws to protect our children and prevent stalking, etc.

It's our duty to do what we can to bring about justice for all the missing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: yuknomenot on October 27, 2009, 10:52:45 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:52:52 PM
I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/hi_pum1.gif)

Well one flaw with that theory is that her foster family is certainly NOT prominent. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:53:42 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:54:24 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 10:55:34 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

There you go again.  We aren't here to impress you, and if you don't like the way some people "investigate" you are in the wrong place, perchance? 

Your not sure you're welcome here?  Now why would that be?  Could it be because you not only insulted this forum in your first post, you are doing it again.  Has anyone told you have terrible manners and a very big head lately?  Just askin'  ::MonkeyHaHa::

San, I'm getting bored.  You play with jme a while. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:56:51 PM
I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/hi_pum1.gif)

Well one flaw with that theory is that her foster family is certainly NOT prominent. 

Oh, so nobody knew them until this happened?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:56:51 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
I think the 15 yr old girl is fostered by a prominent family in JC and that is part of the reason why no more has come out about her. What do you think JME?  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/hi_pum1.gif)

Well one flaw with that theory is that her foster family is certainly NOT prominent. 

Oh, so nobody knew them until this happened?

I did not say no one knew them, I said they were not prominent.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 10:57:57 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: yuknomenot on October 27, 2009, 10:58:17 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

You answered your own question.  Through the investigation one gleans the facts.  You might do well to do some 'investigating' of your own before you embarrass yourself further.  With that I am done and wish you a good evening.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 10:58:37 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

Do you have a theory??


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 10:59:15 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

you said outcome earlier in a post.

We have no control over the outcome...what is it you think we have control over here on a forum for missing children? 

Buddy the outcome is sadly already done. 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 27, 2009, 10:59:44 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

Hi jme!

Maybe you could share with us those couple of reasons because I assure you that you're in the midst of a lot of caring people when it comes to crimes against children.

Come on, group! We need to try harder to be impressive!   ::MonkeyDevil2::

BTW: This is popcorn kitty. We bring him out when we're about to be serious:

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

Funny you make that statement when that was just speculated today on NG and in other media.  What do you know?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:01:11 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

So you are saying that a 15 yr old possibly snuck out in the two days that volunteers and LE from more than one jurisdiction was searching a specific area and managed to retrieve and hide the body with no one noticing?  And that this 15 year old could move a 108lb 5'2 limp body so stealthily?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:01:59 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

JME - you make a valid point.  It's very possible that the body was moved there AFTER it was searched.  I don't think that's the case though, I think we'll find her body was there all along but was covered with brush or hidden very well.  Also from what has been "leaking" out, sounds like it was likely premeditated.  Of course, even if she is charged as an adult, she cannot get the death penalty.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 11:02:40 PM

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What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 


Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

(bolded by me)

Are you saying there aren't people here smart enough to dialog with you?  We've been down that road before.  Those that think they know more than others.  They usually go and form a special private invite only forum.  Sound familiar, monkeys?    There are many monkeys from many walks of life here, and they all have something important to add.  And you jme, have only added to our entertainment tonight.   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 11:03:58 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searchs in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

So you are saying that a 15 yr old possibly snuck out in the two days that volunteers and LE from more than one jurisdiction was searching a specific area and managed to retrieve and hide the body with no one noticing?  And that this 15 year old could move a 108lb 5'2 limp body so stealthily?
 
Nope.  I'm saying how do you know?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:04:49 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

We follow a lot of cases.  Sometimes we find things that help law enforcement in their investigation.  We offer support to each other, because we all want to know WHY these things happen, and want to know if there is anything we can do to make them happen less often.

Because we have followed a lot of these cases, we have seen how different LE departments handle these things, and, frankly, there are things in this case that could bear further scrutiny.  They found Elizabeth's phone Thursday morning.  Her body was "in the vicinity" of her phone, but it took more than 24 hours after that to find her body?  Somebody missed something they should not have.  We also heard that assistance from a larger and more experienced investigative body was turned down.  That is never a good sign.

We are also concerned about the School Board.  We have not heard that counsellors were provided to the POI's school.  Why?  Do they not think it's traumatic for the high school kids to know that their classmate is accused of such a heinous crime?  And what about the death of the teacher?  When my husband died in similar circumstances, counsellors were provided for students at his school, because losing a teacher under such circumstances can be traumatic, also.  The school board seems to be in CYA mode--"It didn't happen on school grounds...it's an isolated incident...it's not our fault..."

Yes, we speculate.  We speculate based on available facts.  It is our Constitutional right so to do.  We are not like the people on the news sites advocating execution without a trial, and why not string up the POI's family while we are at it. 

Do you think we should all just pack up our tents and leave because her body was found?  What dirty laundry in Jefferson County are you afraid of seeing exposed to the light of day?

We KNOW who the POI is.  But we are not posting that, because she is a minor and we are concerned for her rights and for the legitimacy of the trial that is to come.

But, most of all, Jme, WE CARE.  We care about every lost and murdered child we hear about, and we want to see JUSTICE for that child and his or her family.


BUMP because like Anna's this is an excellent post/point.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Thats just it JME, we dont know alot of things, but we try to find out, we try to make sense of this awful thing that has happened, we try to find out why it did, we try to find out a lot of sifferent stuff,     See I never thought about a fifteen year old that would kill a 9 year old, but I am  amember of SM and by being a member here I follow these cases and otherwise I may have never heard about this case because I dont watch alot of TV, so now that I know about this case and what I have been able to learn here at SM about it.........well, ........now if I should see a older child and a younger child walking into the woods together, well maybe I might just stop and ask the child.....is there a problem, are you alright with this, do you know this person, do you want to go into the woods with this person , all these things I just might do now, when before I might not have thought a thing about it.........we learn different things here at SM, that might help in the future......its what we do.....its what we have always done...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:05:33 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

Oh so I suppose LE is not speculating what was going thru the childs head while she was possibly harming and hiding another child?  Gee let's not do that, what are you a lawyer?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: KCJackie on October 27, 2009, 11:05:39 PM

Quote
What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 


Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

(bolded by me)

Are you saying there aren't people here smart enough to dialog with you?  We've been down that road before.  Those that think they know more than others.  They usually go and form a special private invite only forum.  Sound familiar, monkeys?    There are many monkeys from many walks of life here, and they all have something important to add.  And you jme, have only added to our entertainment tonight.   

 ::MonkeyJnBox::  Reminds me of Bella.


Muffy - I am still laughing so hard that you actually used the red finger emoticon.  Go Muffy....  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: San on October 27, 2009, 11:08:46 PM
Can I get an explanation as to why Nancy Grace should be covering this, or anything for that matter?

I'm not here to start drama.  I'm curious.

I live in Jeff City and I certainly did not know half of what I know now after reading some of the things I've been reading on the internet.  Elizabeth's body has been found, she isn't missing anymore.  NONE of you have anything but speculation and frankly it is just not anyone's place to be so involved in the investigation.

This is not just a news story, it's reality for a bunch of kids, their parents - a real community.  I personally do not want to know the details of her murder.  I could care less who did it so long as he/she/IT is found, convicted and sentenced; but finding out who the 'POI' is seems like a game for some people -why?

It seems that people like Nancy Grace feed the fire and fuel off of tragedy. She makes it dramatic for her ratings.  She wants fame so she can have a profit.. It is sad. 

We follow a lot of cases.  Sometimes we find things that help law enforcement in their investigation.  We offer support to each other, because we all want to know WHY these things happen, and want to know if there is anything we can do to make them happen less often.

Because we have followed a lot of these cases, we have seen how different LE departments handle these things, and, frankly, there are things in this case that could bear further scrutiny.  They found Elizabeth's phone Thursday morning.  Her body was "in the vicinity" of her phone, but it took more than 24 hours after that to find her body?  Somebody missed something they should not have.  We also heard that assistance from a larger and more experienced investigative body was turned down.  That is never a good sign.

We are also concerned about the School Board.  We have not heard that counsellors were provided to the POI's school.  Why?  Do they not think it's traumatic for the high school kids to know that their classmate is accused of such a heinous crime?  And what about the death of the teacher?  When my husband died in similar circumstances, counsellors were provided for students at his school, because losing a teacher under such circumstances can be traumatic, also.  The school board seems to be in CYA mode--"It didn't happen on school grounds...it's an isolated incident...it's not our fault..."

Yes, we speculate.  We speculate based on available facts.  It is our Constitutional right so to do.  We are not like the people on the news sites advocating execution without a trial, and why not string up the POI's family while we are at it. 

Do you think we should all just pack up our tents and leave because her body was found?  What dirty laundry in Jefferson County are you afraid of seeing exposed to the light of day?

We KNOW who the POI is.  But we are not posting that, because she is a minor and we are concerned for her rights and for the legitimacy of the trial that is to come.

But, most of all, Jme, WE CARE.  We care about every lost and murdered child we hear about, and we want to see JUSTICE for that child and his or her family.


BUMP because like Anna's this is an excellent post/point.

I agree.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 11:08:54 PM
Thats just it JME, we dont know alot of things, but we try to find out, we try to make sense of this awful thing that has happened, we try to find out why it did, we try to find out a lot of sifferent stuff,     See I never thought about a fifteen year old that would kill a 9 year old, but I am  amember of SM and by being a member here I follow these cases and otherwise I may have never heard about this case because I dont watch alot of TV, so now that I know about this case and what I have been able to learn here at SM about it.........well, ........now if I should see a older child and a younger child walking into the woods together, well maybe I might just stop and ask the child.....is there a problem, are you alright with this, do you know this person, do you want to go into the woods with this person , all these things I just might do now, when before I might not have thought a thing about it.........we learn different things here at SM, that might help in the future......its what we do.....its what we have always done...

Thank you.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:09:00 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

You are correct , I am not a murderer.  You however stated that she wanted the ATTENTION.  So I am trying to have an honest discussion on how that could be if she did not turn herself in nor leave any evidence that LE could find and LE went on pressers everyday saying there were no signs of foul play.  IIRC LE even stated that Elizabeth may not even be in the area on Friday morning.  Does not seem like a good way to get attention if no one can find what you did.  What do you think?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:10:30 PM
jme, our opinions have no effect on the outcome.  We simply discuss and share what information we do have.  I come here for daily updates on several missing persons cases as someone during the course of the day will have posted a link to any new information released.

Some of these posters can find just about anything on social networking sites.  But basically it intent is to offer support for justice for the victims.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:13:22 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

Oh so I suppose LE is not speculating what was going thru the childs head while she was possibly harming and hiding another child?  Gee let's not do that, what are you a lawyer?

I was wondering that myself.   Is Bobo still in FL?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:16:57 PM

Quote
What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 


Hi there.  Unless they are 'investigated' (as you said it), how is it to be known that the details have no bearing on the outcome?


Well...how are you going to investigate a case when you are not privy to the important facts that will ultimately determine the outcome?

(bolded by me)

Are you saying there aren't people here smart enough to dialog with you?  We've been down that road before.  Those that think they know more than others.  They usually go and form a special private invite only forum.  Sound familiar, monkeys?    There are many monkeys from many walks of life here, and they all have something important to add.  And you jme, have only added to our entertainment tonight.   

 ::MonkeyJnBox::  Reminds me of Bella.


Muffy - I am still laughing so hard that you actually used the red finger emoticon.  Go Muffy....  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

We're not going to be locked down for 3 hours again, are we?? ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

KLAAS, you stay right where you are, ok? Promise?  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:18:02 PM
ok I'm feeling like I got "punked" now.

JME you speculate - obviously -  so do we.

So what do you speculate about the premeditation aspect of this crime?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:18:20 PM
I still have not seen the Huffington Post about the site Elizabeth was found at.


What is it that you want to know about where she was found?

I would like to know how bloodhounds, cadaver dogs, two searches in the area and nothing was found.  How can 15 year old outsmart all the tools that LE had in searching?

I would like to know how you know her body was even there when they were searching?

So you are saying that a 15 yr old possibly snuck out in the two days that volunteers and LE from more than one jurisdiction was searching a specific area and managed to retrieve and hide the body with no one noticing?  And that this 15 year old could move a 108lb 5'2 limp body so stealthily?
 
Nope.  I'm saying how do you know?

You asked what we wanted to know about where she was found.  I asked valid questions and have received nothing but questions back.  Seems we will get dizzy going in circles.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 27, 2009, 11:18:33 PM
Well damn, I missed out on welcoming JME !
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:19:44 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

Oh so I suppose LE is not speculating what was going thru the childs head while she was possibly harming and hiding another child?  Gee let's not do that, what are you a lawyer?

I was wondering that myself.   Is Bobo still in FL?

Oh NORTHERNROSE, my fever just spiked!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:20:16 PM
This is all I can find on HuffPost is there something I am missing? 

Elizabeth's body was found Friday � two days after she went missing � after the suspect led police to a wooded area near her home west of Jefferson City. Cole County Sheriff Greg White said Saturday that the girl was found in an area that had previously been searched but she had been "very well concealed."

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/elizabeth-olten-dead-body_n_332180.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:22:40 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:23:23 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

Oh so I suppose LE is not speculating what was going thru the childs head while she was possibly harming and hiding another child?  Gee let's not do that, what are you a lawyer?

I was wondering that myself.   Is Bobo still in FL?

Oh NORTHERNROSE, my fever just spiked!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

nanners


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
ok I'm feeling like I got "punked" now.

JME you speculate - obviously -  so do we.

So what do you speculate about the premeditation aspect of this crime?

Well, if we got punked, when is the funny part??   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/73dca962-1.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 27, 2009, 11:25:38 PM
I have been reading about this all day and it does make me wonder why a 15 year old girl would do this.  I just cant wrap my head around this.  It seems to be just plain evil if not mental and that doesnt seem to fit the bill here so far.

As far as missing/murdered people (They are usually missing before its realized that they have been murdered) .... I got on this forum when Natalie Holloway went missing because I was trying to find out as much information as possible because she was from my home town.  I was shocked and amazed at how many people are actually missing.  My sister has 2 little ones and her tv is probably on nickelodeon most of the time.  I enlighten her to alot of things that are going on around us such as s.o. moving in the area.  I had no idea the magnitude of crimes against children and neither did she.  Knowledge is power and safety for ALL kids and it IS important to learn from these tragedies. 

JME - Take a minute to read up on the Christine Sheddy case and it will really open a persons eyes as to what can (not saying anything derogatory regarding your LE) can happen over time when public officials are not held accountable for their actions.  (again, not slamming JC, just attempting at making a point)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 11:26:35 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey ;)

Until next time...

PEACE!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:27:27 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO

Oh so I suppose LE is not speculating what was going thru the childs head while she was possibly harming and hiding another child?  Gee let's not do that, what are you a lawyer?

I was wondering that myself.   Is Bobo still in FL?

Oh NORTHERNROSE, my fever just spiked!!!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

nanners

Incoming!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 11:29:29 PM
Hey jme, no hard feelings, k?  I found this big azz hat just for you to wear hear while you dialog.  It should fit your head just fine... HAT tip to San.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/YankeeCap.jpg)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:29:53 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO


How do you know that none of us is a murderer?


Muuuhahahahahahha!

Sorry, just kidding.


 ::MonkeyFootball::  and Roll Tide!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:31:21 PM
The other question that I have is if in fact she wants all the attention, why did she not leave breadcrumbs so that she did not outsmart LE for two days?  Why did it take a 3rd juvenile to hand LE written notes before they realized that there was foul play involved?  Does not seem to me the way you get attention.

That is because you're not a murderer.  We can not speculate what was going through her mind this early in the game. It does not do a bit of good..JMO


How do you know that none of us is a murderer?


Muuuhahahahahahha!

Sorry, just kidding.


 ::MonkeyFootball::  and Roll Tide!

OMG Anna!  LOL


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:31:39 PM
I'll show you where the winking monkey is if you will tell us something about the case.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 27, 2009, 11:32:44 PM
Good call/catch Muffy  ::Baseball::

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 ::MonkeySlide::


MuffyBee   Thanks you from the bottom of my heart for the first good belly laugh I have had in a couple of weeks. You guys are to much. Got my popcorn, drink and goobers. lol


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: texasmom on October 27, 2009, 11:33:04 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey ;)

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
back at you Fanny.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 11:34:11 PM
I'll show you where the winking monkey is if you will tell us something about the case.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Fanny Mae!!!  You aren't REALLY going to show jme where the winking monkey is, are you?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:34:42 PM
Good call/catch Muffy  ::Baseball::

You haven't banned them yet, have you?  They are only on like post number 4.  I see San is here.  Can we play with the troll for a while, Klaas?  Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase?  Can we?  Huh huh?  Can we?

 ::MonkeySlide::


MuffyBee   Thanks you from the bottom of my heart for the first good belly laugh I have had in a couple of weeks. You guys are to much. Got my popcorn, drink and goobers. lol

You had me at goobers Darla.  Now I have the flu and a goober craving. LOL


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 11:35:53 PM

Quote
What on earth would cause a 15 yo to do such a thing?

I can give you a couple reasons, but I'm not sure I'm welcome here.  I'd love to have a serious discussion about this with someone who really cares about the psychological makeup of a 15 year old girl who would resort to murder. 

What I'm not interested in or impressed by is the way some people 'investigate' case details with no bearing on the outcome. 

I am most interested in the psychology of the perpetrator.  However all details interest me, especially this early in the case.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 27, 2009, 11:36:06 PM
Forgot my manners been a long day!
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

JME if you know so much about the case spill it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:36:48 PM
Amber Alert's record shows it can make a crucial difference

TAMPA — Since its inception almost a decade ago, Florida's statewide Amber Alert program has saved children in at least 45 missing or abduction cases, a Florida Department of Law Enforcement official said Tuesday.

The results underscore the need for both specialized training and support of the program, law enforcement officials said during the first day of a three-day symposium exploring the programs' strengths and weaknesses.

"If just one child is saved, that's enough for me," said Donna Hodges, an FDLE researcher and training specialist involved in the Florida endeavor. "It has made a difference."

The U.S. Department of Justice is hosting the National Amber Alert Training Symposium at the Hyatt in downtown Tampa, drawing about 350 advocates from all over the world. About 45 family members of abducted children who either returned home safely, remain missing or were murdered joined the gathering.

Ed Smart, whose daughter Elizabeth was taken from her bedroom in Utah in 2002 and found alive nine months later, said that before his daughter's abduction, he had never even heard of the Amber Alert.

The system sends out bulletins on TV, radio, the Internet and highway signs for the public to be on the lookout for a missing child.

"I am a big supporter of the Amber Alert because I believe more children can be saved," Smart said. "And it starts here, in this room. This is the core right here."

Nationwide, leaders have embarked on a campaign to not only get the word out about the Amber Alert system, but to also get law enforcement to change its approach to reports of missing children.

For example, most law officers are trained to expect a worst-case scenario when responding to a burglary call. Yet a missing child alert still carries questions and doubt, and lacks compassion, said Phil Keith, a program manager for training and technical assistance for the U.S. Department of Justice's Amber Alert Initiative.

The first hours are the most critical in abduction cases, Keith said, so it is imperative that investigators move swiftly.

Some countries, like the Netherlands, use sophisticated computer programming to spread alerts to electronic devices such as BlackBerrys and smart phones.

Carlo Schippers of the National Police in the Netherlands said that since launching the program last November, about 200,000 of the country's 16 million people have signed up for the mobile alerts.

"Within half an hour of sending out an Amber Alert, unless you're living under a bridge in a cardboard box that gets bad reception, you should know about it," Schippers said. "Child abduction is a problem that is everywhere. We need to work together and communicate."

In Texas, leaders there credit a network of regional communications for its 100 percent success rate. Since 2002, 42 Amber Alerts have been issued; they have all resulted in happy endings, said Al Lowe, a regional Amber Alert coordinator in Texas.

Similarly, in New York since 2000, children in all 25 Amber Alert cases were reunited with their families.

Florida, meanwhile, has issued 147 Amber Alerts since 2000. Investigators successfully resolved 142 of those cases. Hodges took a closer look at the cases and discovered that in 45 of them, people indicated that the system played a direct role in the child's recovery.

But some Amber Alerts have tragic endings. The symposium, which continues through Thursday, comes weeks after two girls were abducted and killed in two different states.

The group planned a candlelight vigil Tuesday night in memory of Somer Thompson, 7, of Orange Park, and Elizabeth Olten, 9, of Missouri.

Despite the recent deaths, proponents say the program works. Since 1996, 492 missing or abducted children were found alive nationwide as a direct result of the Amber Alert system, officials said.

"One life in and of itself is precious," said California Highway Patrol Capt. L.D. Maples, the state's Amber Alert coordinator. "I don't see how anything that can get information out to the public about a child's abduction isn't good."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/amber-alerts-record-shows-it-can-make-a-crucial-difference/1047419


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:38:06 PM
back at you Fanny.

Done! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:40:05 PM
To reiterate..

JME has made it their job to go to the various sites or at least here and the local news websites (I've seen the posts) and discourage people from discussing the case.  I'd really like to know why it's so important to them that we all "bug off".


If you thought a bunch of people were NUTS to be discussing a case in a state they don't even live in, would you bother registering for that site to post?  Or would you simply shake your head and walk away?



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:41:07 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey ;)

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.   ::MonkeyDevil::


I was thinking the same thing, TxMom.  Must be the new suspects, lol, but knew we could tell if it was the usual if they went after me.

I must admit I was curious but on hand just in case to back up and defend Klaas just in case it was them.

Maybe someone concerned about LE receiving negative publicity or something like that?  Does it make you think there is something we do not yet know that is going to reflect badly such as prior knowledge that this POI has serious issues and problems that were not adequately addressed?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:41:25 PM
I'll show you where the winking monkey is if you will tell us something about the case.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Fanny Mae!!!  You aren't REALLY going to show jme where the winking monkey is, are you?   ::MonkeyEek::

If JME would give some information instead of answering a question with a question I just might. I don't really believe JME is really in the JC area myself.  Just some punk thinking they are having a good time. JME doesn't know one thing. JMO   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:41:41 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey ;)

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Hadn't thought about that but no, I think JME is a local to Jefferson City person just like they claim to be.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:41:47 PM
Hey did you guys hear about a poster on the w w w spewing crap about potential lawyers reading posts on blogs and that possibly affecting the jury pool.  And the lawyer would use that to move his case to another jurisdiction?
 
A potential - possible - suspected 15 yr old who may -could have harmed another child if found guilty is still guilty regardless of where the jury convicts her - him - it.  JMO

Gee I always thought it's typically the evidence that kinda let's the jury know that the perp is guilty well duh on me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:42:46 PM
Anna - thanks, I really appreciate it! 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 27, 2009, 11:44:27 PM
To reiterate..

JME has made it their job to go to the various sites or at least here and the local news websites (I've seen the posts) and discourage people from discussing the case.  I'd really like to know why it's so important to them that we all "bug off".


If you thought a bunch of people were NUTS to be discussing a case in a state they don't even live in, would you bother registering for that site to post?  Or would you simply shake your head and walk away?


Id probably just say nothing, registering to be a member  and then jumping in and telling them what they were doing was wrong would not fix anything, what did they hope to accomplish.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:44:47 PM
Darn jme left and w/ all his guests.  now I'm really punked "NOT".


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:44:55 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey ;)

Until next time...

PEACE!

Well Anna, since JME's so nice to you...must not be the usual suspects.   ::MonkeyDevil::


I was thinking the same thing, TxMom.  Must be the new suspects, lol, but knew we could tell if it was the usual if they went after me.

I must admit I was curious but on hand just in case to back up and defend Klaas just in case it was them.

Maybe someone concerned about LE receiving negative publicity or something like that?  Does it make you think there is something we do not yet know that is going to reflect badly such as prior knowledge that this POI has serious issues and problems that were not adequately addressed?
ANNA, I am very proud to be your fellow munkey. You have gotten the stamp of approval from JME.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 27, 2009, 11:45:52 PM
Well whoever JME was...... they were good for a few pages of fun to release some of the terrible agony of what is happening to these precious children. You guys were great. I haven't laughed so hard in weeks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:46:07 PM
We cannot possibly "investigate" as LE does because we don't have access to all the evidence that they do.  That is not our intent.  Our form of investigation is combing through all the available information and staying as informed as possible.  Sometimes we even find something of assistance to LE and it is forwarded to them pronto.

There are many, many of us and some capable of coordinating information in a very concise way.  And some can find anything on social networking sites.  Some have participated in searches with orgs like TES.

We write to legislators striving to have laws enacted to better protect the innocent. 

But the forum would not be here if not for the effort of Klaas and the mods and Red the Owner.  That's one thing we don't do is diss them.  At least no one will for very long, lol.



I appreciate everything you've said.  If all the lovely posters here had your mentality, I would have never felt compelled to add my two cents in the first place.  I get it now. 

Glad I could provide some of you with entertainment.

The rest of you -thanks for providing mine.  Man I wish I had a winking monkey ;)

Until next time...

PEACE!

I guess I am not of the same mentality as none of my questions were answered by someone who stated there were in the "know" and worked with LE and was close to the case.  All I got back was more questions.    ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
Darn jme left and w/ all his guests.  now I'm really punked "NOT".

Holy smoly, the room cleared out faster than when my dog farts.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:48:02 PM
I guess someone that is blind to where the "winkie monkey" is would also be blind to our reasons to discuss this case  ::MonkeyViolin::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:48:39 PM
Anna - thanks, I really appreciate it! 

It's we who appreciate you, Klaas, as you have held this thing in the road all this time.  We likely wouldn't be here if you hadn't.

As to this bug off attitude, I have to wonder why so touchy?  Sometimes a person can exhibit signs of personality disorders and no one realizes just how dangerous they really are until it is too late.  Or some do and yet nothing is actually done until it is too late.  Then people feel guilty and become defensive.

Just a thought, I have no reason to think this is the case other than the raction of wanting us to go away and not ask any questions.  A similar thing happened in my community many years ago.  A teen killed a little boy both males, however.  People resented the parents for not having done something about his problems before it came to that.  That's why I think along those lines.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 11:48:41 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:49:10 PM
Darn jme left and w/ all his guests.  now I'm really punked "NOT".

Holy smoly, the room cleared out faster than when my dog farts.

ha ha ha!  yup I luv watching the count when hot issues come up.  59 guests done to 36 lickety split.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
To reiterate..

JME has made it their job to go to the various sites or at least here and the local news websites (I've seen the posts) and discourage people from discussing the case.  I'd really like to know why it's so important to them that we all "bug off".


If you thought a bunch of people were NUTS to be discussing a case in a state they don't even live in, would you bother registering for that site to post?  Or would you simply shake your head and walk away?




I'll take lawyers for a hundred.  Let's play "Jeopardy"



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 27, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
Klaas...you are the bestest.


Northern Rose...If I had some goobers I would send you some. Hope you feel better soon!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:50:43 PM
I'd really like to know what the high schoolers are going through right now. One of their fellow students is being charged with first degree murder, and a teacher killing himself. And only talk of  counselors at the elementary school, maybe a couple extras if they need them. What are these people thinking. How many of those students are lying in bed staring at the ceiling at night, and being unable to concentrate at school for the past two days.

And they wonder why outsiders get involved and care what happens in "their" town.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:52:11 PM
Darn jme left and w/ all his guests.  now I'm really punked "NOT".


fatcat, I meant to post earlier that NG said tonight that it was the manner in which the body was concealed that led to it not being found.  She said it, too.  I mean about the concealment.  Would like to know more about that.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

Thank you for responding.  I'm still digesting everything you've finally said.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 27, 2009, 11:52:38 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.



If kids are bored they need more chores.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 11:53:08 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

Au contrare! A is NOT like every other rebellious 15 yr old foster child. She murdered a 9 yr old. If she is not staying at the Prenger Center, where is she staying? At your house?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 27, 2009, 11:54:33 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer. (how about writer?   ::MonkeyWink:: )

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.  (why would we have any bearing on that?)

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored. (schools are over crowded everywhere.  I must say that 35 kids in a classroom was pretty standard when I was growing up though and I'm old as dirt) (that is not an excuse for murdering another human being IMO)

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child. (no, this one murdered another human being so not "just like")

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either. (psych ward? )

My comments in red above.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 27, 2009, 11:54:37 PM
And it is not a schools responsibility to teach kids right from wrong. It is the parents place. Most bored kids do not go out and murder another child because they are BORED. They are just plain mean as hell!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 11:56:17 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.


3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.


5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

And there it is folks.  I had asked "what's in it for you".   You many not want the case leaving your jurisdiction, but you may not have a choice.  It may be the best thing that could happen.  That way, it won't BE personal and neither you nor anyone else can attempt to manipulate or massage the law.  And every other rebellious 15 yo foster child doesn't murder, so what's that about?   Don't try to make your own laws and rules.   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 27, 2009, 11:56:18 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

Thank you for providing some answers.  Why were the rest of my questions answered with questions?  That smelled very much  like someone who wants to see what sticks after it gets thrown against the walls.  I dispute your point 4 however.  I have had many foster children that were teenagers or tweens and rebelling and none have been taken into custody for murder.  Saying all other foster children are like her is a disservice to foster parents and foster children and I take great offense to that.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 27, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
We are not local and so would not have anything to do with a change of venue issue.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 27, 2009, 11:57:23 PM
To reiterate..

JME has made it their job to go to the various sites or at least here and the local news websites (I've seen the posts) and discourage people from discussing the case.  I'd really like to know why it's so important to them that we all "bug off".


If you thought a bunch of people were NUTS to be discussing a case in a state they don't even live in, would you bother registering for that site to post?  Or would you simply shake your head and walk away?




I'll take lawyers for a hundred.  Let's play "Jeopardy"



I'll take juror consultant for two hundred.!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 27, 2009, 11:57:33 PM
Darn jme left and w/ all his guests.  now I'm really punked "NOT".


fatcat, I meant to post earlier that NG said tonight that it was the manner in which the body was concealed that led to it not being found.  She said it, too.  I mean about the concealment.  Would like to know more about that.

ty, I kept wondering where that speculation was coming from and someone here said a huffpost article darned if I can find it, so NG tonight was the first time I heard it come out in real media - other than "well concealed" which could mean lots of things to me. 

Hang on the ride is back on. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jme on October 27, 2009, 11:58:26 PM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 27, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
I'd really like to know what the high schoolers are going through right now. One of their fellow students is being charged with first degree murder, and a teacher killing himself. And only talk of  counselors at the elementary school, maybe a couple extras if they need them. What are these people thinking. How many of those students are lying in bed staring at the ceiling at night, and being unable to concentrate at school for the past two days.

And they wonder why outsiders get involved and care what happens in "their" town.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

They are going through exactly what you think they are.  They are excited, confused, sad, angry; they are asking themselves, "why?"  Some of them are talking among themselves, some are talking to trusted adults, some are writing notes on Facebook...I have some beauties from a couple of years ago.  They are trying to process the information, and can't.  They have lost their innocence.  Some of them are praying, some are listening to music that would give you or me the screaming mimis.

They need counselling in the worst way.  How do you precess that the kid who you skipped PE with last week is now accused of killing a child?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 27, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
jme doesn't want us (Scared Monkeys posters) to influence the case, yet jme is saying it's "personal" and doesn't want it moved out of their jurisdiction.  Pot, meet kettle.... 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:00:36 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

OK, I'm done playing now.  Go register at WS (Websleuths) and see how long you last there  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:00:52 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

I only ask questions that were pertinent to the case, and you never answered mine. I wasn't jabbing. And I'll have you know I am eating Raisins.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:02:40 AM
jme doesn't want us (Scared Monkeys posters) to influence the case, yet jme is saying it's "personal" and doesn't want it moved out of their jurisdiction.  Pot, meet kettle.... 

Whatever could JME's motive be to keep the case in Jefferson City?

And why does JME feel so sorry for the 15 yr old?  Hmmmmm?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:02:54 AM
To reiterate..

JME has made it their job to go to the various sites or at least here and the local news websites (I've seen the posts) and discourage people from discussing the case.  I'd really like to know why it's so important to them that we all "bug off".


If you thought a bunch of people were NUTS to be discussing a case in a state they don't even live in, would you bother registering for that site to post?  Or would you simply shake your head and walk away?




I'll take lawyers for a hundred.  Let's play "Jeopardy"



I'll take juror consultant for two hundred.!

I take paralegal for 100 and researcher at Legal Research Centre for 200 please!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:04:00 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

OK, I'm done playing now.  Go register at WS (Websleuths) and see how long you last there  ::MonkeyDevil::

JME is banned


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:04:32 AM
I'll take AB's Grandma for $500 please.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:04:37 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

It's cheezie puffs and goobers!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
JME must think Jefferson City is on Mars. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:05:03 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

Buh bye.... :smt039


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:05:36 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.


Klaas must have been very curious about you and your intentions, or I venture to say you wouldn't have made it past your first post, jme.  And you got jabs at what you were saying, because you were saying things that weren't very nice about the people that post here.  Did you think you could just come in and fling poo, ask questions, fling more poo and not have us fling some back?  Doesn't work that way.  We are usually kind, but we aren't stupid.  Pass the cheetos, please.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: islandmonkey on October 28, 2009, 12:06:37 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

If you don't want to be "attacked", I suggest you reflect on YOUR own post...........

ALERT~ALERT...........your village has called and wants their idiot back ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
I guess the foster family isn't prominent in JS because JME says so. I have seen the company link, and the biggest house in the neighborhood would be clue #1 either. With a poss connection to LE. I suppose the two and two put together by me wouldn't be four after all, because JME says so. I am so disappointed with myself.  ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:06:45 AM
I'll take AB's Grandma for $500 please.

I think you won!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:08:04 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:08:16 AM
I'll take AB's Grandma for $500 please.

I think you won!

Oh Dear God and all that is holy, not another Spindy. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/ohmygod.jpg)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:08:51 AM
1.  I'm no lawyer.

2. I do not want this case leaving our jurisdiction.  This is personal.

3. Our schools are over crowded and so socioeconomically diverse that this was BOUND to happen.  Our kids are bored.

4.  A..... is just like every other rebellious 15 year old foster child.

5. She will not be staying at the Prenger Center, but she's not going home either.

She is NOT just like every other rebellious 15-yer-old foster child!  I have known many such children, and not one has ever murdered her 9-year-old neighbour. 

In Jeff City you moron.  If you want a view of what it is like here, email me.  I cant handle the clowns.  I'm all for helping out, but I'm sick of getting attacked for my take on things.  Those are the people you should be calling out, muffy or fanny or whoever it is that keeps taking jabs at everything i 'say'.  I just wanted to check intentions. I got my answer.  The rest of you can go back to eating your cheetos while you sit at your computer in your underwear.  I'm out.

OK, I'm done playing now.  Go register at WS (Websleuths) and see how long you last there  ::MonkeyDevil::

JME is banned

They made it to 23 posts before they blew a gasket and you banned them.  That says something.  I don't know what exactly.  But something.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:09:40 AM
I'll take AB's Grandma for $500 please.

I think you won!

Oh Dear God and all that is holy, not another Spindy. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/ohmygod.jpg)

I was leaning towards a Bobo in training, but I think Rosebud has a buddy.  So when did this one wash the clothes?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:09:59 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:11:22 AM
You all know what this means, right?  It means we really, really need to stay after this and make certain there is justice for Elizabeth Olten.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2009, 12:11:39 AM
BAM!!!   Klaas: 1      JME:  0   ( a really BIG zero!)


Since when does socioeconomic diversity and classroom size excuse murder? IIRC, one of the virtues of busing was to accomplish socioeconomic diversity in public schools!

I'm left asking myself, "Who would be motivated to stop discussion about this case, and why?"




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
They know the attention seeker is getting moved but not going home and that is not being heard till tomorrow in a court room the judge has closed to the public today.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  One heck of a crystal ball or ouija board OR they have talked to the lawyer defending her cause they are family.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:13:19 AM
BAM!!!   Klaas: 1      JME:  0   ( a really BIG zero!)


Since when does socioeconomic diversity and classroom size excuse murder? IIRC, one of the virtues of busing was to accomplish socioeconomic diversity in public schools!

I'm left asking myself, "Who would be motivated to stop discussion about this case, and why?"




Exactly  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:13:58 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 


Don't feel bad Jane...my ex hubby did not even show up for his own mother's visitation tonight. Did not visit her before she died. So name calling ain't nothing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Bud's Girl on October 28, 2009, 12:14:49 AM
BAM!!!   Klaas: 1      JME:  0   ( a really BIG zero!)


Since when does socioeconomic diversity and classroom size excuse murder? IIRC, one of the virtues of busing was to accomplish socioeconomic diversity in public schools!

I'm left asking myself, "Who would be motivated to stop discussion about this case, and why?"


Someone looking for attention.  I'll take a recently banned monkey for $5,000 please Alex.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
You all know what this means, right?  It means we really, really need to stay after this and make certain there is justice for Elizabeth Olten.
NEXT????!!!!!

I am sure there is someone waiting in the wings. We go through this with every thread.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 

I agree.   Jane you did nothing wrong.  I was expecting the burning bag of poop to come my way as I have been all over this case.  Outside forces are trying to ensure that things go a certain way from what I just saw. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 


Don't feel bad Jane...my ex hubby did not even show up for his own mother's visitation tonight. Did not visit her before she died. So name calling ain't nothing.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: darla? You were there, and that says a lot about you!  ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:18:14 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 


Don't feel bad Jane...my ex hubby did not even show up for his own mother's visitation tonight. Did not visit her before she died. So name calling ain't nothing.

Sorry DARLA.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I know that must have been hard on your kids.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 

It don't make no nevermind!  I've been called worse by better...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:19:49 AM
Thank You CBB, yes I stood with my children tonight as I have all their lives.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:19:49 AM
They know the attention seeker is getting moved but not going home and that is not being heard till tomorrow in a court room the judge has closed to the public today.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  One heck of a crystal ball or ouija board OR they have talked to the lawyer defending her cause they are family.

Good catch.  yeah somebody in the know.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: yuknomenot on October 28, 2009, 12:20:11 AM
My guess on jme is the psychiatric field and somehow connected to the defense.  FWIW, it is a nacho cheese Doritos night, Cheetohs were last night.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:20:18 AM
I am seriously offended about the comment that A is  like every other rebelling foster child.  I have had my property destroyed, been out searching for ones that take off, had stuff stolen, but never had a  Foster child that murdered another child.  I loved each one of them and still do and oh there were some!  AND I was not biologically related to any of them so stick that in your pipe and smoke it!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:22:13 AM
Thank You CBB, yes I stood with my children tonight as I have all their lives.

Darla you are a  ::MonkeyAngel::  .  So sorry you are going through this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:22:39 AM
I am seriously offended about the comment that A is  like every other rebelling foster child.  I have had my property destroyed, been out searching for ones that take off, had stuff stolen, but never had a  Foster child that murdered another child.  I loved each one of them and still do and oh there were some!  AND I was not biologically related to any of them so stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

 :smt056  Northern Rose


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2009, 12:23:10 AM
My guess on jme is the psychiatric field and somehow connected to the defense.  FWIW, it is a nacho cheese Doritos night, Cheetohs were last night.

As long as you changed the underwear you're sitting in as you're eating them, it's all good.    ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:24:52 AM
I am taking my meds and heading to bed.  Night all!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:25:13 AM
It is just so hard to wrap your brain around a child killing another child. I have seen many disturbed kids...but none of them have murdered another child or adult for that matter. If it is true that she stabed Elizabeth, then she had to have had blood on her clothes. How could she come home and no one see that something was horribly wrong? I guess not all parents or guardians pay as much attention to what is going on in their homes as I did.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:25:20 AM
Does anyone have JME's e-mail? I have another question I want to ask her/him.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:26:03 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

Awww, I saw that janetruth.  Don't let it bother you.   ::MonkeyAngel::  I don't think jme had good intentions from the start. 


Don't feel bad Jane...my ex hubby did not even show up for his own mother's visitation tonight. Did not visit her before she died. So name calling ain't nothing.

Darla, you are one hell of a lady!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:26:18 AM
I am taking my meds and heading to bed.  Night all!

Good Night NORTHERN ROSE.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:26:49 AM
If I wanted to be called names, I would have stayed with my ex-husband!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yeah, what she said  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:27:12 AM
Goodnight Northern Rose. Hope you feel better soon. My mom has had that crud and I am praying I don't catch it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2009, 12:27:50 AM
I am taking my meds and heading to bed.  Night all!

Night, Northern Rose! Sleep Well!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:29:22 AM
Thank you for the comments. I just do what i have to do for my kids. I am no angel.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:30:18 AM
BAM!!!   Klaas: 1      JME:  0   ( a really BIG zero!)


Since when does socioeconomic diversity and classroom size excuse murder? IIRC, one of the virtues of busing was to accomplish socioeconomic diversity in public schools!

I'm left asking myself, "Who would be motivated to stop discussion about this case, and why?"




Exactly!  They aren't just picking on us either, they are posting on local news websites as well.  I'm not going to tell you which one they are but they posting here and likely on many other sites:

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366962

and here

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366735

Why don't they want us checking into their little town?  Makes me want to dig further  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:31:52 AM
Does anyone have JME's e-mail? I have another question I want to ask her/him.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

imafool@jcmo.com   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: yuknomenot on October 28, 2009, 12:34:31 AM
My guess on jme is the psychiatric field and somehow connected to the defense.  FWIW, it is a nacho cheese Doritos night, Cheetohs were last night.

As long as you changed the underwear you're sitting in as you're eating them, it's all good.    ::MonkeyTease::

Knew I'd forgotten to do something today   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:34:31 AM
BAM!!!   Klaas: 1      JME:  0   ( a really BIG zero!)


Since when does socioeconomic diversity and classroom size excuse murder? IIRC, one of the virtues of busing was to accomplish socioeconomic diversity in public schools!

I'm left asking myself, "Who would be motivated to stop discussion about this case, and why?"




Exactly!  They aren't just picking on us either, they are posting on local news websites as well.  I'm not going to tell you which one they are but they posting here and likely on many other sites:

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366962

and here

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366735

Why don't they want us checking into their little town?  Makes me want to dig further  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

Well if that's him the name is right above the post.  Now who's a MOORON JME!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:34:31 AM
I am probably like the rest of you...I don't want to hear what she did to Elizabeth, but I want to know how she did this at the time this child was reported missing. hid her so well that she was overlooked twice, then got home without being seen. It just seems impossible to me.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:35:57 AM
BAM!!!   Klaas: 1      JME:  0   ( a really BIG zero!)


Since when does socioeconomic diversity and classroom size excuse murder? IIRC, one of the virtues of busing was to accomplish socioeconomic diversity in public schools!

I'm left asking myself, "Who would be motivated to stop discussion about this case, and why?"




Exactly!  They aren't just picking on us either, they are posting on local news websites as well.  I'm not going to tell you which one they are but they posting here and likely on many other sites:

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366962

and here

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=366735

Why don't they want us checking into their little town?  Makes me want to dig further  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:35:57 AM
Thank you for the comments. I just do what i have to do for my kids. I am no angel.

You know what you have to do...that puts you way ahead of a lot of people... :salut:


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:39:14 AM
Since I am a jabber, I think I need a jousting smiley. Does this one make my butt look big?
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smilyhorseypoop.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:45:46 AM
I got locked out for a while.  Funny. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:47:22 AM
I did too.  I think the server company has had some problems today.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MuffyBee on October 28, 2009, 12:48:40 AM
Since I am a jabber, I think I need a jousting smiley. Does this one make my butt look big?
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smilyhorseypoop.gif)


You look just fine, Fanny Mae.  I'm a jabber too.   ::bee:: 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:49:57 AM
Did you guys see his name on that post or should I not say that?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:50:20 AM
Since I am a jabber, I think I need a jousting smiley. Does this one make my butt look big?
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smilyhorseypoop.gif)


I like it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: darla on October 28, 2009, 12:52:01 AM
Yeah I saw it Fatcat.....not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Got to call it a night. Catch you Monkeys tomorow night. Thanks for the laughs tonight. I really needed them.Have a great night guys!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:52:02 AM
Since I am a jabber, I think I need a jousting smiley. Does this one make my butt look big?
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smilyhorseypoop.gif)


You look just fine, Fanny Mae.  I'm a jabber too.   ::bee:: 

Heck! I thought I was being nice.....JME should see me get really wound up!  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
I got locked out for a while.  Funny. 

Me, too!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Good night Darla!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 12:54:34 AM
I did too.  I think the server company has had some problems today.

I've been kicked out so many times today, I have worn my mail box out checking to make sure I haven't gotten the red button!  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 12:58:21 AM
There is a person by that name that lives in Jefferson City and has had a traffic ticket there...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 12:59:20 AM
Good night everyone!  I think I've had enough excitement for one night.  (otherwise I'll be here all night long!)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:02:58 AM
Did you guys see his name on that post or should I not say that?

Don't say his name even if you think you know it. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
Before I leave I'll just say it as it is on the web so therefor public information.  I saw a state teacher elem/sec - playing legal eagle on the web if it's him.   I'll keep the name in my memory bank for the future.  Night.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:03:16 AM
There is a person by that name that lives in Jefferson City and has had a traffic ticket there...

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:04:36 AM
Before I leave I'll just say it as it is on the web so therefor public information.  I saw a state teacher elem/sec - playing legal eagle on the web if it's him.   I'll keep the name in my memory bank for the future.  Night.

Nite Fatcat  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: fatcatlurker on October 28, 2009, 01:05:00 AM
oops I hope thats ok.  Sorry


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 01:12:19 AM
I was going to bed hours ago. I had already taken my cold meds, so I may have to take them again. I totally wasn't thinking anything but  doing one more check here in Liz's thread and go to sleep. Who knew?

Good night, everyone. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-sleepy-bedtime-good-night.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:13:02 AM
I think we've wasted enough time on JME.  Any curiosity we may have as to WHY they want us to "bug off" we should probably do behind the scenes and keep it to ourselves unless it becomes case related.  Personally I think JME just doesn't like all the attention his/her town is getting. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Anna on October 28, 2009, 01:29:02 AM
I think we've wasted enough time on JME.  Any curiosity we may have as to WHY they want us to "bug off" we should probably do behind the scenes and keep it to ourselves unless it becomes case related.  Personally I think JME just doesn't like all the attention his/her town is getting. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Or fears a lawsuit from the victim's family for some responsible party failing to take appropriate action like the school, foster family or Dept Children Services.  Somebody somewhere sure dropped the ball on this one as far as taking steps before it escalated to this extent.

But next step is to see if the POI will be deemed an adult or tried as a juvenile as it makes all the difference in the world which it is.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2009, 01:50:09 AM
Yes, Anna. A ball certainly was dropped on this one. What a tragedy.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 01:58:03 AM
This is just insane! since when do they just let killers go home and wait it out!?!?!? WTF?

Hi Northern!

I am off to Dr. see you all later

 ::MonkeyAngel::


I am still on page 56 catching up but want to address this, it happens all the time, and I do mean all the time. They could put her on a electronic monitor and let her go home with no option of leaving more than 5 feet from the house without law enforcement being alerted and going to the house.  I knew a minor who committed murder and he sat in his parents house for 6 years before they went to court for it.  Couldn't leave home for his own childrens births (yes he was able to move on and make children while he waited to rot in jail) and could only leave for things that had to do with court, lawyers, and so on.  People are just not usually aware this goes on because most cases are not usually so well known or closely followed.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Tracygirl on October 28, 2009, 01:59:50 AM
Wow what a night you all had! My goodness, I have sat here and read from page 68ish, (can't recall where I started.) BTW, I am wearing jeans and a t-shirt, my usual attire and was eating candy corn. 

Klass you got class, and patients I would have banned the person way back on post #2. 

Somewhere before all of that ^ happened some pics was posted of Elizabeth, thank you so much for posting them. I am assuming it shows her with her family? I bet those kids are just torn up about the loss of their sister. So many victims in all of this. It is not just that person that dies, but a part of all who loved them. Elizabeth was a beautiful little girl  and her life has enough meaning for all of us to sit and morn her death and try to help where we can, she mattered enough...that is the reason if anyone cares to ever ask again, she matters enough for us to care, as do all of these children we pray for and try to figure out what happened or were they are, such as Lindsey Baum, Amber Dubois, Adji to name just a few. They all matter enough for a stranger who is thousands of miles away to sit in front of a computer and try to help.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 02:22:17 AM
How did NG jump that she actually kept a diary?  As for the defense lawyer saying they need to pull her grades and prove she did not have the intelligence to determine right from wrong, the POI name came up in a search that she received academic excellence going from  to middle school.


I will have to tape the NG show when it repeats tonights--the kids have taking over the tv.

He's gotta be pulling everything he can out of a bag to try to gain sympathy from a potential jury. I don't know how it works in Missouri but down here--Couey was considered mentally +++++++ and it didn't help him a  lick.

I followed the case .  Hope Couey is still rotting.


Couey is dead. Died before they could execute him. Now I'm waiting on Joseph Smith ( Carlie Brucia)--. Today was the hearing on Michael King ( Denise Lee), don't know if you followed that but he got the death penalty and today the judge was supposed to hear from him why he should get life instead.

LOL yes I know he is dead, died in Sept, but I hope he is still rotting.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh:: I assure you he is rotting!  Probably getting smelly too  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 28, 2009, 04:03:50 AM
Night all!

Rest in peace, Elizabeth!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/Elizabeth-Olten2.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: NCSunny on October 28, 2009, 06:41:44 AM
You all know what this means, right?  It means we really, really need to stay after this and make certain there is justice for Elizabeth Olten.

Morning Monkeys and guests,

ITA Muffy

::MonkeyGavel::   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 08:00:27 AM
I had to skip over a bunch of pages due to Mr. Sneaky Man coming on and trying to stop discussion -

WTH is going on in Jefferson City, MO that people who are close to LE there feel the need to register with online forums and stop discussion of this case????

I have never heard of this happening in any other case.

Oh wait, Natalee's case.  But I thought that was due to the corruption in Aruban LE and courts.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:07:12 AM
Well,Good Morning Monkeys.     ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:08:59 AM
http://www.kmox.com/Accused-killer-of-9-year-old-girl-due-for-court-ap/5542901
Posted: Wednesday, 28 October 2009 6:58AM

Accused killer of 9-year-old girl due for court appearance


JEFFERSON CITY (KMOX)  -- The 15-year-old suspect in the killing of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten will appear in a Missouri courtroom Wednesday for a closed detention hearing.

The teen's accused of first-degree murder and is to appear by videoconference in Cole County court for a hearing to determine whether the teen should remain in custody or be released to family members. Another hearing is scheduled for Nov. 18 to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult.

A Jefferson City attorney who represents the teenager declined to comment Tuesday.

Law officers arrested the 15-year-old Friday after the teen led them to Elizabeth's body in a wooded area in St. Martins, west of Jefferson City.

Hundreds of people searched the area last week after Elizabeth did not return home from a friend's house Wednesday night.

The Cole County Sheriff's Department has said Elizabeth was well concealed but have not said how it is believed she encountered the teenager or where Elizabeth is believed to have been killed.

The suspect's name and gender have not been released.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:11:26 AM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 28, 2009, 08:13:20 AM
Good Morning! Looks like I missed the Monkeys-JC smackdown.

I came across this interesting post this morning.



BLOCKED WEBSITE


Seems like the school board better do something quick over there at JCHS because kids are suffering with all the rumors flying around. They need to wake up over there.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:20:05 AM
Nancy Grace Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/QTaludSAo8M&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1
                 

               


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:22:34 AM
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/7cAX6J7bXEk&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:24:35 AM
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/v/J0TShGWolDM&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:27:06 AM
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/v/v__BuXJRPLs&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:28:36 AM
Nancy Grace Transcripts 10/27/09
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 08:30:50 AM
Thanks,Expresso.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 08:31:47 AM
I am probably like the rest of you...I don't want to hear what she did to Elizabeth, but I want to know how she did this at the time this child was reported missing. hid her so well that she was overlooked twice, then got home without being seen. It just seems impossible to me.

exactly.

and I want to know time of death.

Yes, it was chilly and raining, but it wasn't a blizzard, wasn't a hurricane or tornado. 

I worry that she could have been saved...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 08:34:43 AM
Good Morning! Looks like I missed the Monkeys-JC smackdown.

I came across this interesting post this morning.


BLOCKED WEBSITE


Seems like the school board better do something quick over there at JCHS because kids are suffering with all the rumors flying around. They need to wake up over there.

good morning, espresso - nice to meetcha!

thanks for bringing that over - WOW!  I guess LE doesn't think AB could've done this alone, either...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 08:42:58 AM

BLOCKED WEBSITE

good morning, trimm and ALL.

This is just damn sad.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Good Morning! Looks like I missed the Monkeys-JC smackdown.

I came across this interesting post this morning.





BLOCKED WEBSITE


Seems like the school board better do something quick over there at JCHS because kids are suffering with all the rumors flying around. They need to wake up over there.

They need some counsellors over there, ASAP, before a riot breaks out!

Morning, everyone...What happened to that coffee monkey?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 10:17:48 AM
Good morning!  Does anyone know what time the hearing is and if there will be a press conf. afterward or do we have to wait til Nov. 18th to hear anything else about this?  TIA.  My heart goes out to Elizabeth's family and friends today. :(


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 28, 2009, 10:18:16 AM

They need some counsellors over there, ASAP, before a riot breaks out!

Morning, everyone...What happened to that coffee monkey?

Which One ??
(http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-st-pats-coffee2.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee-easter-ears3-slippers.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee-4th5.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/monkeyguycoffeespill3.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/SSmonkeyguycoffeespill.gif)
 ::MonkeyDevil::
Good Morning Monkeys !

I agree...counselors are very needed there...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 28, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
G'Morning Monkey's,

Im going to catch up with reading....however I did want to say, I was watching GoodMorning America and the woman with the juvenile court, I think that is who she was with, a Mz Green, let a big slip out, tho we already know that the juvenile is female, when she was telling of the hearing today, she said "her"  uhhhhh "juvenile".  I didnt catch what time the hearing was, I was thinking of the slip of her tongue.

gonna catch up reading now....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 10:42:09 AM
    ::MonkeyEek::  WOW


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 10:50:45 AM
Good morning!  Does anyone know what time the hearing is and if there will be a press conf. afterward or do we have to wait til Nov. 18th to hear anything else about this?  TIA.  My heart goes out to Elizabeth's family and friends today. :(

9am.  It went from open court to closed yesterday.

Funeral is at 2.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
Teen Girl Charged in 9-Year-Old's Murder
Elizabeth Olten, 9, to Be Remembered in Funeral Service Today, Suspect to Appear in Court

A Missouri town is gathering in mourning today for the funeral services of a 9-year-old girl who, according to investigators, was killed by a 15-year-old female acquaintance.

The child, Elizabeth Olten, vanished Oct. 21, sparking a massive search expanding from the girl's home outside St. Martens. The unnamed suspect, who has been charged with first degree murder, reportedly led police through the woods near Olten's home to the child's body Friday after she was fingered as a person of interest.

"We were able to obtain some physical evidence and through some analysis of some of the evidence and in all honesty some written evidence, we were able to develop a person of interest," Cole County Sheriff Greg White has said. "Once we reached that person and interviewed them, ultimately, they led us to where we've recovered Elizabeth's body."

Police did not release details about how Olten died.

The police had already searched the area, but the body had been "very well concealed," White told The Associated Press. The suspect, a minor, will appear in a concealed court hearing today to determine whether she will be held behind bars or released into her family's custody until the next hearing.

"It will be the judge's obligation to look at the individual and look at her, excuse me, look at the juvenile's circumstances," said Samantha Green of Cole County Juvenile Detention.

The suspect's attorney, Kurt Valentine, urged officials to be cautious with their judgments of the suspect, who he referred to as a child.

"I would ask that they wait, that they listen to the facts as they come out and not judge quickly," Valentine said. "Learn about this person, learn about this child. You're dealing with a child."

MORE...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/teen-girl-charged-year-olds-murder/story?id=8931780


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 10:52:24 AM

They need some counsellors over there, ASAP, before a riot breaks out!

Morning, everyone...What happened to that coffee monkey?

Which One ??
(http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-st-pats-coffee2.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee-easter-ears3-slippers.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/ss-coffee-4th5.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/monkeyguycoffeespill3.gif) (http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr165/Sea_Searcher/Coffee/SSmonkeyguycoffeespill.gif)
 ::MonkeyDevil::
Good Morning Monkeys !

I agree...counselors are very needed there...

LOL!  I guess it's time for the witchy one!  thanks...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 10:54:22 AM
oopsie?  ummm...she works for the freaking JUVENILE Detention Center!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 10:55:08 AM
has anyone found the St. Louis blogs that locals are supposedly posting on?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 10:55:14 AM
15-Year-Old Faces Hearing In Olten Killing
Funeral For 9-Year-Old Held Wednesday

Video as well

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. -- A special meeting will be held Wednesday to decide how to proceed in the case of a 9-year-old Cole County girl found killed last week.

The meeting is slated to start at 9 a.m. at the Cole County Courthouse and the 15-year-old will appear via video connection from the county's juvenile detention center.

The hearing will determine whether the teen will continue to be detained.

A week ago 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten was abducted in St. Martens, near Jefferson City. She was found dead on Friday.

According to police, the teen in custody led authorities to Olten's body in a wooded area, not far from where she went missing.

Prosecutors are seeking to charge the teen with first-degree murder. In order to do so, they would need to try the teen as an adult.

The determination of whether teen will be tried as an adult should likely come in the next few weeks.

Authorities have promised a thorough psychological evaluation of the teen.

There is not much information on the teen, as authorities have released very little. More may be available after Wednesday's hearing.

A funeral service for Olten is scheduled for 2 p.m. Wednesday at Concord Baptist Church.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/21447780/detail.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 10:55:21 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/elizabetholten_3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Elizabeth2.jpg)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 10:57:28 AM
Judge To Decide Whether Juvenile Suspect Will Remain In Custody

JEFFERSON CITY - A mid-Missouri juvenile faces first-degree murder charges in the death of 9-year old Elizabeth Olten.

Authorities took the 15-year-old into custody last Friday. The Cole County sheriff has not released the suspect's name or gender, but the first hearing in the case will take place Wednesday.

Most juvenile offenders are held in the Prenger Family Center in Jefferson City, but the court is not stating where the suspect in the Olten case is being held, nor will they comment on his or her demeanor. The court says it is taking every precaution to protect the suspect.

The first hearing will take place at 9 a.m. by video conference and will determine whether the 15-year old suspect will remain in custody or be released to his or her home to await trial. A Cole County juvenile court administrator said his office will ask that a judge order the juvenile to remain in detention at a juvenile facility.

The next trial date is set for Nov. 18, which is when the court decide if the 15-year-old will be tried as a juvenile or an adult.

Olten went missing last Wednesday and nearly 1,000 volunteers joined in the search. Police discovered physical and written evidence that led them to the suspect, and after an interview the suspect led police to Olten's body.

Olten's funeral is Wednesday, but KOMU-8 will not cover it as to let the funeral remain private.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/9b07ca03-80ce-0971-0162-dd30c10ecc74




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 10:59:04 AM
KOMU is not covering the funeral which is public to let it be private.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 10:59:31 AM
has anyone found the St. Louis blogs that locals are supposedly posting on?

There are alot posting here:

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368523


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:10:03 AM
Elizabeth Olten Laid to Rest, Teen Girl Charged in Her Murder

Atlanta, GA 10/28/2009 02:55 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

 

Elizabeth Olten’s family and close friends are gathering today for the 9-year-old’s funeral service and burial. Olten disappeared in her St. Martins, Missouri neighborhood October 21 while walking home from a friend’s house. Investigators have charged an unnamed 15-year-old female with Olten’s murder.

According to reports, the teen was the older sister of Olten’s friend. The girl has been charged with first degree murder and is currently in the custody of a juvenile court. The court will decide whether she will be tried as an adult.

The girl led police to Olten’s body in the woods near her home. “We were able to obtain some physical evidence and through some analysis of some of the evidence and in all honesty some written evidence, we were able to develop a person of interest," Cole County Sheriff Greg White said. "Once we reached that person and interviewed them, ultimately, they led us to where we've recovered Elizabeth's body."

Olten’s cause of death has not been released.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=133883&cat=14


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:11:25 AM
Suspect in Olten Case to Remain in Custody
Hearing held this morning in murder case.9 min ago - Suspect to remain in custody.The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials are now arguing whether future proceedings should be closed to the public.
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:14:54 AM

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Popo was a little late on this one.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
KOMU is not covering the funeral which is public to let it be private.   ::MonkeyConfused::

there has seemed to be very little media coverage.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 11:15:40 AM
Suspect in Olten Case to Remain in Custody
Hearing held this morning in murder case.9 min ago - Suspect to remain in custody.The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials are now arguing whether future proceedings should be closed to the public.
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=
Well that's at least one good thing, nobody needs her out.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 11:17:36 AM
Suspect in Olten Case to Remain in Custody
Hearing held this morning in murder case.9 min ago - Suspect to remain in custody.The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials are now arguing whether future proceedings should be closed to the public.
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=

But remain in custody of who? I am beginning not to trust any of them.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:17:57 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/elizabetholten_3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Elizabeth2.jpg)

what a pretty girl - and the photos show her to be very caring and nurturing to the little ones.

thanks, Klaas - for bringing these here and reminding us that this is about Elizabeth.

(she looks like Jessica).


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
has anyone found the St. Louis blogs that locals are supposedly posting on?



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No not gotten there yet I am guessing that the above comment is what you were referring to.  I am shocked that with the locals being so vocal nothing more to identify this girl has come out yet.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 28, 2009, 11:29:57 AM
whew...all done with the catchup...all I can say is...Im a good girl!!! Wish I had a magical fairy to unpack all my boxes, seems I missed all the excitement.

Now to more serious matters:

It's a very good idea that they are keeping her, and hopefully under strict, surpervised control behind some barb wire. Especially for her own protection, because I have a feeling if she is returned home or any place without it..there will be major major trouble.

I for one would like to know, what would drive a 15 year old to kill.

Im reminded of a case in England, many years ago, I'll have to find it...were a young girl killed, never really a reason...was tried as a juvenile...at 21 they released her, changed her name..and her location.  The same where 2 boys, lured a little tot from his mother in a shopping mall, took him all over town, beating him along the way...ending up putting him on a railroad track. Those 2 boys, after they were released also had name changes and moved. Both cases were in England.

Tooo, Tooo sad.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
whew...all done with the catchup...all I can say is...Im a good girl!!! Wish I had a magical fairy to unpack all my boxes, seems I missed all the excitement.

Now to more serious matters:

It's a very good idea that they are keeping her, and hopefully under strict, surpervised control behind some barb wire. Especially for her own protection, because I have a feeling if she is returned home or any place without it..there will be major major trouble.

I for one would like to know, what would drive a 15 year old to kill.

Im reminded of a case in England, many years ago, I'll have to find it...were a young girl killed, never really a reason...was tried as a juvenile...at 21 they released her, changed her name..and her location.  The same where 2 boys, lured a little tot from his mother in a shopping mall, took him all over town, beating him along the way...ending up putting him on a railroad track. Those 2 boys, after they were released also had name changes and moved. Both cases were in England.

Tooo, Tooo sad.

yes, the second:  was that the Jamie Bulger case?  not sure of the name, but absolutely heartbreaking.

I have a bad habit of reading the Daily Mail - saw when those boys were released and had their names changed, citizens were extremely upset.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:33:45 AM
has anyone found the St. Louis blogs that locals are supposedly posting on?

BLOCKED WEBSITE


No not gotten there yet I am guessing that the above comment is what you were referring to.  I am shocked that with the locals being so vocal nothing more to identify this girl has come out yet.

yes, that's where I read it.

I'm pretty shocked, too.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
Reader comment <snipped>

The grandparents who tried to help raise their grandchildren were wise to leave the area right away. Imagine what they and Elizabeth's friend, the young sibling of the killer is going through!

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jefferson-city-mo/THC8D8OQQFKLEVVVI


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
here's one, but I don't see anything like that in the comments:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/970803DD3A4B3E888625765D0039D277?OpenDocument


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 28, 2009, 11:38:18 AM
whew...all done with the catchup...all I can say is...Im a good girl!!! Wish I had a magical fairy to unpack all my boxes, seems I missed all the excitement.

Now to more serious matters:

It's a very good idea that they are keeping her, and hopefully under strict, surpervised control behind some barb wire. Especially for her own protection, because I have a feeling if she is returned home or any place without it..there will be major major trouble.

I for one would like to know, what would drive a 15 year old to kill.

Im reminded of a case in England, many years ago, I'll have to find it...were a young girl killed, never really a reason...was tried as a juvenile...at 21 they released her, changed her name..and her location.  The same where 2 boys, lured a little tot from his mother in a shopping mall, took him all over town, beating him along the way...ending up putting him on a railroad track. Those 2 boys, after they were released also had name changes and moved. Both cases were in England.

Tooo, Tooo sad.

yes, the second:  was that the Jamie Bulger case?  not sure of the name, but absolutely heartbreaking.

I have a bad habit of reading the Daily Mail - saw when those boys were released and had their names changed, citizens were extremely upset.

I believe you are right on the name. For some reason I cant get a second window to open or I would go look for it. I guess I need to reboot.  However, I think that I read it at Tru Tv or something like that....a whole section on children that kill.  I wanted an understanding after a girl killed her mother here. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:43:02 AM
Suspect to stay in custody in slaying of Mo. girl
(AP) – 10 minutes ago

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A teenage suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old Missouri girl will remain in juvenile custody while a judge decides whether the case should be tried in adult court.

An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect, who has not been identified, waived a scheduled detention hearing Wednesday.

Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem did hear arguments on whether the public should be allowed at a Nov. 18 hearing to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult. Beetem made no immediate ruling. The teen has been charged with first-degree murder.

Funeral services for Elizabeth Olten are scheduled for Wednesday afternoon in Jefferson City. She was found dead Friday in a wooded area near her St. Martins home, two days after she was reported missing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iL2APTMLoOIa6NBqXxEd_DKqAkDQD9BK67DO0


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
here's another, still nothing about myspace or facebook writings:

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-stlouis-news-091027-mo-teen-dead-girl.25b1ab002.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:45:06 AM
Suspect to stay in custody in slaying of Mo. girl
(AP) – 10 minutes ago

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A teenage suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old Missouri girl will remain in juvenile custody while a judge decides whether the case should be tried in adult court.

An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect, who has not been identified, waived a scheduled detention hearing Wednesday.

Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem did hear arguments on whether the public should be allowed at a Nov. 18 hearing to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult. Beetem made no immediate ruling. The teen has been charged with first-degree murder.

Funeral services for Elizabeth Olten are scheduled for Wednesday afternoon in Jefferson City. She was found dead Friday in a wooded area near her St. Martins home, two days after she was reported missing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iL2APTMLoOIa6NBqXxEd_DKqAkDQD9BK67DO0

ummmm...he waived the chance to get her out?  wonder if she was not in the right shape to appear, even via vidcam.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:48:52 AM
Suspect to stay in custody in slaying of Mo. girl
(AP) – 10 minutes ago

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A teenage suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old Missouri girl will remain in juvenile custody while a judge decides whether the case should be tried in adult court.

An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect, who has not been identified, waived a scheduled detention hearing Wednesday.

Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem did hear arguments on whether the public should be allowed at a Nov. 18 hearing to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult. Beetem made no immediate ruling. The teen has been charged with first-degree murder.

Funeral services for Elizabeth Olten are scheduled for Wednesday afternoon in Jefferson City. She was found dead Friday in a wooded area near her St. Martins home, two days after she was reported missing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iL2APTMLoOIa6NBqXxEd_DKqAkDQD9BK67DO0

ummmm...he waived the chance to get her out?  wonder if she was not in the right shape to appear, even via vidcam.

Seems to have.  That being the case, someone who knows the legal side, does that mean that they also would not have discussed where to hold her until Nov 18th?  She would be staying in Prenger where she is now which btw is right across the street for the highscool I believe.?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 11:49:12 AM

ummmm...he waived the chance to get her out?  wonder if she was not in the right shape to appear, even via vidcam.
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Maybe he did it for the suspects safety and to avoid the insanity that went on like when Casey Anthony was released?  If the grandparents have left the area ( I read that somewhere) maybe there is no where else for her to go?

I am just glad she is locked up.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SloSthrnStyle on October 28, 2009, 11:55:11 AM
I found the site I was looking for...Mary Bell is the young girl I was talking about, she was 10 years old when she killed.  There is also a case where a 14 yr old was the youngest to receive the death penalty is the US.

I dont know if it will give us insight why children will do this, but maybe we might get some insight.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/index.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:05:37 PM

ummmm...he waived the chance to get her out?  wonder if she was not in the right shape to appear, even via vidcam.

Maybe he did it for the suspects safety and to avoid the insanity that went on like when Casey Anthony was released?  If the grandparents have left the area ( I read that somewhere) maybe there is no where else for her to go?

I am just glad she is locked up.
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see post 1487


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 12:06:38 PM
So she is a cutter, I've been through that with one of my daughters, it is awful, it is horrible, but never did we see any indication of her wanting or even thinking about hurting another. I have read up on this, I can see how the grandparents did not realize she was a cutter, they can be very sneaky where they cut themselves, and what clothes to wear to hide it. This is an excuse if they are going to blame cutting on this, but I will add, the girl is definitely mentally ill to some degree. But with that said, she should get the punishment coming to her and I don't want to see any leniency going her way at all.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 12:10:19 PM
Thanks NR, I knew I saw it some where.  It would have to be a good thing for the child that was Elizabeth's friend to get her and the rest of the kids out of there.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 28, 2009, 12:16:58 PM
I'm probably late with this...as usual ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368892

Suspect to stay in custody for killing girl
Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 10:44 a.m.

COLE COUNTY -- A teenage suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old mid-Missouri girl will remain in secured detention until the certification hearing.

An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect waived a scheduled detention hearing Wednesday.

But Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem did hear arguments on whether the public should be allowed at Nov. 18 certification hearing to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult for the death of Elizabeth Olten. Beetem made no immediate ruling.

Funeral services for Elizabeth are scheduled for Wednesday afternoon at a Jefferson City church. She was found dead Friday in a wooded area near her St. Martins home, two days after she was reported missing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 12:20:14 PM

ummmm...he waived the chance to get her out?  wonder if she was not in the right shape to appear, even via vidcam.

Maybe he did it for the suspects safety and to avoid the insanity that went on like when Casey Anthony was released?  If the grandparents have left the area ( I read that somewhere) maybe there is no where else for her to go?

I am just glad she is locked up.
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good thinking - yes, I agree.

she wouldn't be safe if she was let out.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:20:39 PM
here's one, but I don't see anything like that in the comments:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/970803DD3A4B3E888625765D0039D277?OpenDocument

From the link above:

CMITeam1 October 28, 2009 7:04AM CST
The suspect is a female, an older sister of the friend Elizabeth had been playing with at her house. I heard this a.m. that the suspect called her on her cell phone and asked her to come back after she had started walking home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 12:21:29 PM
"The suspect's attorney, Kurt Valentine, urged officials to be cautious with their judgments of the suspect, who he referred to as a child.

"I would ask that they wait, that they listen to the facts as they come out and not judge quickly," Valentine said. "Learn about this person, learn about this child. You're dealing with a child."    ::MonkeyEek::  And let the excuses start pouring out. Always excuses, I really wish one time someone would surprise me and say, the person is evil, the person is no good, the person is nothing but a bad seed.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 12:22:51 PM
here's one, but I don't see anything like that in the comments:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/970803DD3A4B3E888625765D0039D277?OpenDocument

From the link above:

CMITeam1 October 28, 2009 7:04AM CST
The suspect is a female, an older sister of the friend Elizabeth had been playing with at her house. I heard this a.m. that the suspect called her on her cell phone and asked her to come back after she had started walking home.

wow!!



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
here's one, but I don't see anything like that in the comments:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/970803DD3A4B3E888625765D0039D277?OpenDocument

From the link above:

CMITeam1 October 28, 2009 7:04AM CST
The suspect is a female, an older sister of the friend Elizabeth had been playing with at her house. I heard this a.m. that the suspect called her on her cell phone and asked her to come back after she had started walking home.
Interesting, rumor on another forum, is that the suspects boyfriend helped her with the body.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Brattnt 
Registered User   Join Date: May 2005
Location: I miss you dad!
Posts: 1,695 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchinIt 
Not that I'd heard of. The group seems fairly docile to me. She's been referred to as a "goth" girl. Truth is these kids are NOT goth. They dress in black, dye their hair, and wear lots of eye-liner because it's in style, because Adam Lambert from AmIdol does it, because they all read the Twilight series (vampires), but I'm not aware of any of them actually embracing a Goth mind-set. I haven't heard of any violence, either propogated by these kids, or directed toward them. They are more into music, movies/tv/books, computer games.

It sounds to me like she is part of a group known as the Juggalettes...Thats what the girls are called...The boys are called Juggalos....The like the Insane Clown Posse music, and are very into the Twilight series..They are not Goth...They may seem docile, but they arent...A lady my sis works with was damn near beat to death by 3 boys who she found out afterward are Juggalos...The whole time she was being beaten, she was screaming for her 12 year old grandaughter to RUN, HIDE...They thought she was dead, and as she was laying there, she heard her grandaughter laugh, and tell the boys where to find her grammas car keys, yep, the grandaughter is a Juggalette...they are all over the country...This particular incident was in Washington State...Here is a link to a good article about them...It's a few years old, but it explains alot...
    ::MonkeyEek:: This is from In Sessions, I have never heard of the Juggalettes/Juggalos in my life, has anyone else?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
Brattnt 
Registered User   Join Date: May 2005
Location: I miss you dad!
Posts: 1,695 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchinIt 
Not that I'd heard of. The group seems fairly docile to me. She's been referred to as a "goth" girl. Truth is these kids are NOT goth. They dress in black, dye their hair, and wear lots of eye-liner because it's in style, because Adam Lambert from AmIdol does it, because they all read the Twilight series (vampires), but I'm not aware of any of them actually embracing a Goth mind-set. I haven't heard of any violence, either propogated by these kids, or directed toward them. They are more into music, movies/tv/books, computer games.

It sounds to me like she is part of a group known as the Juggalettes...Thats what the girls are called...The boys are called Juggalos....The like the Insane Clown Posse music, and are very into the Twilight series..They are not Goth...They may seem docile, but they arent...A lady my sis works with was damn near beat to death by 3 boys who she found out afterward are Juggalos...The whole time she was being beaten, she was screaming for her 12 year old grandaughter to RUN, HIDE...They thought she was dead, and as she was laying there, she heard her grandaughter laugh, and tell the boys where to find her grammas car keys, yep, the grandaughter is a Juggalette...they are all over the country...This particular incident was in Washington State...Here is a link to a good article about them...It's a few years old, but it explains alot...
    ::MonkeyEek:: This is from In Sessions, I have never heard of the Juggalettes/Juggalos in my life, has anyone else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 28, 2009, 12:40:14 PM

    ::MonkeyEek:: This is from In Sessions, I have never heard of the Juggalettes/Juggalos in my life, has anyone else?

I have...from my niece...I'll see if I can find out some info...it's been a while but i do remember this was not a "good" group


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:43:17 PM
here's one, but I don't see anything like that in the comments:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/970803DD3A4B3E888625765D0039D277?OpenDocument

From the link above:

CMITeam1 October 28, 2009 7:04AM CST
The suspect is a female, an older sister of the friend Elizabeth had been playing with at her house. I heard this a.m. that the suspect called her on her cell phone and asked her to come back after she had started walking home.
Interesting, rumor on another forum, is that the suspects boyfriend helped her with the body.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I do not beleive that.  Saw posts from one of the kids that says he is best friends with BF and is on the myspace with the core group post last night.  Posts basically said that because this kid was her bf rumours are flying like that.  He is already freaked out about not knowing what she was capable of let along hearing all the rumours that he was somehow involve.  Friend also stated that FBI was at his house for hours trying to connect him and they could not.  All hearsay but to me it read as genuine.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 12:48:55 PM
With the funeral today I am re-posting the gratefullness candle link if you would like to light one and say a prayer.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=liz%20o


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
http://juggalette-baby-doll.deviantart.com/

How To Be A Juggalo/lette
Fri Oct 12, 2007, 4:25 PM
How to Be a Juggalo

A Juggalo is a member of the subculture that has grown up around the fanbase of the Detroit rap group Insane Clown Posse, and related recording artists at Psychopathic Records.

Steps

1. First off, you can't become a juggalo, you are born a juggalo and one day you just happen to find your way home. You'll know pretty soon off...very easy way to tell, either you got love for your juggalo family or you don't. Thats it.
2. If you find you that you got love, Have a homie, or whatever introduce you to The Family.
3. Check out whats goin on in the juggalo world: Faygoluvers.net , Juggalonews.com , gznetwork.net , ninjaspace.net
4. Go to an Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid, Blaze, or Anybody Killa Concert
5. Ignore the haters, if your gonna be down with the family they have you back for ever, but keep in mind that Most of the world hates you once your down.
6. If nothing else learn to accept and appreciate everyone for who they are and just enjoy life. Thats what the juggalo family is about.To each his own. Be you and we got ya back.


Tips

* Be yourself.
* Know that you don't have to paint your face, it's an optional part of the lifestyle. However, if you do decide to do it, take a good look at pictures of ICP and practice before going out in public.
* Don't listen to anyone else, you're the only one who knows if you're a juggalo.
* Try to keep up to date with the current going ons of the Psychopathic artists, a missed concert date or cd release may result in the loss of meeting up with alot of the family.


Warnings

* Don't try too hard.
* Being a juggalo is a way of life, not a fashion statement.
* Don't take the words of new Juggalos too seriously, if they are wrong, correct them, but don't try and act superior.
* Juggalos are getting a very bad reputation nowadays, so be prepared to defend yourself from those who committed those evil acts.
* Real Juggalos tend to be pretty crazy, but they have mad love for each other.
* Defend any Juggalo whos getting picked on if you have history and know them

Your fellow Juggalette,
~Juggalette-Baby-Doll


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 12:51:44 PM
With the funeral today I am re-posting the gratefullness candle link if you would like to light one and say a prayer.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=liz%20o

Thank you  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Sea Searcher on October 28, 2009, 12:51:49 PM

    ::MonkeyEek:: This is from In Sessions, I have never heard of the Juggalettes/Juggalos in my life, has anyone else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo

Common characteristics include drinking the inexpensive soft drink Faygo, wearing face paint[3], and displaying the 'running hatchetman' logo. They view the lyrics of Psychopathic Records artists, which are often violent in nature, as a catharsis and/or inspiration for aggression
<SNIP>

Kelly has said: "Psychopathic Records broke some of the rules set down for the 2005 event, including blasting music all night long", and: "Drugs, alcohol, nudity, profanity and trash also became serious problems."
<SNIP>

some items that stick right out...I know my niece got involved with this group to some extent, and family had to intervene and put a stop to it...it was not a good time in her life


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 01:15:26 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys. I usually lurk in the corner.

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.

What is odd is when the page fully loads, the "last login, mood, view pics" lines of information disappear, and will not allow me to copy it. If you hit refresh, you see the text again, but then disappears again. I've never seen that happen on MS before...?

Last Login: Tuesday 10/27/09
Mood: Hiding Something (followed by a frownie-face)


Then her blog entry section shows this:
October 27, 2009 - Tuesday 
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again

Lastly, AB is on her friend list (I can tell it's her from the picture).  BUT.. I believe it is NOT the MS page that y'all have mentioned. I think it is a different one. It is set to private.
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 01:23:23 PM
With the funeral today I am re-posting the gratefullness candle link if you would like to light one and say a prayer.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=liz%20o
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 01:25:33 PM
Thank-you Klaas and Sea Searcher on the info about Juggalo/lette. I never heard of that before  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:27:43 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys. I usually lurk in the corner.

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.

What is odd is when the page fully loads, the "last login, mood, view pics" lines of information disappear, and will not allow me to copy it. If you hit refresh, you see the text again, but then disappears again. I've never seen that happen on MS before...?

Last Login: Tuesday 10/27/09
Mood: Hiding Something (followed by a frownie-face)


Then her blog entry section shows this:
October 27, 2009 - Tuesday  
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again

Lastly, AB is on her friend list (I can tell it's her from the picture).  BUT.. I believe it is NOT the MS page that y'all have mentioned. I think it is a different one. It is set to private.
 


can you send it to me at XXXXX Edit to remove email addy.  MB

tia.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:30:36 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys. I usually lurk in the corner.

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.

What is odd is when the page fully loads, the "last login, mood, view pics" lines of information disappear, and will not allow me to copy it. If you hit refresh, you see the text again, but then disappears again. I've never seen that happen on MS before...?

Last Login: Tuesday 10/27/09
Mood: Hiding Something (followed by a frownie-face)


Then her blog entry section shows this:
October 27, 2009 - Tuesday 
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again

Lastly, AB is on her friend list (I can tell it's her from the picture).  BUT.. I believe it is NOT the MS page that y'all have mentioned. I think it is a different one. It is set to private.
 


Can you email me that myspace link?

smklaas@hotmail.com

TIA


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
I guess there is a whole world out there of which I have no knowledge. Thanks SEASEARCHER and KLAAS.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
Thank-you Klaas and Sea Searcher on the info about Juggalo/lette. I never heard of that before  ::MonkeyConfused::

Ditto that. 
knowledge is good to have but I really get  shocked sometimes over that kind of stuff.  I'll think twice about opening my door when the teenagers start trick or treating. In my neighborhood they are the second wave, they wait til the cute little ones go first.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 01:33:26 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys. I usually lurk in the corner.

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.

What is odd is when the page fully loads, the "last login, mood, view pics" lines of information disappear, and will not allow me to copy it. If you hit refresh, you see the text again, but then disappears again. I've never seen that happen on MS before...?

Last Login: Tuesday 10/27/09
Mood: Hiding Something (followed by a frownie-face)


Then her blog entry section shows this:
October 27, 2009 - Tuesday 
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again

Lastly, AB is on her friend list (I can tell it's her from the picture).  BUT.. I believe it is NOT the MS page that y'all have mentioned. I think it is a different one. It is set to private.
 


Thanks MONKEYINSC. Just as an aside, Forks, Wa is only a little over 100 miles from McCleary, Wa where Lindsay Baum is missing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 01:34:19 PM
Thank-you Klaas and Sea Searcher on the info about Juggalo/lette. I never heard of that before  ::MonkeyConfused::

Ditto that. 
knowledge is good to have but I really get  shocked sometimes over that kind of stuff.  I'll think twice about opening my door when the teenagers start trick or treating. In my neighborhood they are the second wave, they wait til the cute little ones go first.

Same here, MIZJAY!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
lillyanne 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: missouri
Posts: 6 
 
Hi,
I'm a local, and personally know AB. We're in the same class, and I've been going to school with her since we were 12. I makes me really sad that she could've done something like this, and makes me rethink my judge of character.

Something I'd like to clear up is that she has seeked help for mental issues in the past. She dresses "emo", but hasn't really shown any outward signs of depressions since two years ago.

When she was around her friends, she was very happy, and bouncy, and open, and I have never witnessed her being a bully. Ever.

There are tons and tons of rumors going around our school, yet none of them contradict another. I'd like to post some of them, but being simply rumors, i can't.
 
   ::MonkeyEek:: From WS, have no idea if this is legitimate or not.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
With the funeral today I am re-posting the gratefullness candle link if you would like to light one and say a prayer.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=liz%20o



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 01:39:35 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

Am I confusing my facts, but didn't Lindsay Baum also read the Twilight series?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
Jill... Klass....  y'all have nanners ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 01:40:08 PM
With the funeral today I am re-posting the gratefullness candle link if you would like to light one and say a prayer.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=liz%20o



Meant to say Thank You.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 28, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Anyone read the posts of lillyanne at an another site that claims to be a teen who goes to school with AB??



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:41:21 PM
Jill... Klass....  y'all have nanners ::MonkeyRoll::

I don't have anything yet buy you may have made a common mistake.  It's not Klass it's Klaas

smklaas@hotmail.com

aa not ss  ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
Anyone read the posts of lillyanne at an another site that claims to be a teen who goes to school with AB??



MyView - one of her posts were just posted above.  Seems she has registered and is posting at Websleuths.  No way to verify she is even a classmate.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 01:43:17 PM

Thanks MONKEYINSC. Just as an aside, Forks, Wa is only a little over 100 miles from McCleary, Wa where Lindsay Baum is missing.

Thank you Fanny. Yes....I knew about Forks... Lindsey's case is what brought me to SM. That case has me beside myself.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys. I usually lurk in the corner.

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.

What is odd is when the page fully loads, the "last login, mood, view pics" lines of information disappear, and will not allow me to copy it. If you hit refresh, you see the text again, but then disappears again. I've never seen that happen on MS before...?

Last Login: Tuesday 10/27/09
Mood: Hiding Something (followed by a frownie-face)


Then her blog entry section shows this:
October 27, 2009 - Tuesday 
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again

Lastly, AB is on her friend list (I can tell it's her from the picture).  BUT.. I believe it is NOT the MS page that y'all have mentioned. I think it is a different one. It is set to private.
 


Thanks MONKEYINSC. Just as an aside, Forks, Wa is only a little over 100 miles from McCleary, Wa where Lindsay Baum is missing.

and I'm probably stating the obvious, but Twilight is set in Forks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 01:43:35 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

Am I confusing my facts, but didn't Lindsay Baum also read the Twilight series?  ::MonkeyConfused::
Yes, it is a romance type of series, with vampires. It really is rather mild, compared to some of the crap out there.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 01:44:23 PM
Anyone read the posts of lillyanne at an another site that claims to be a teen who goes to school with AB??


Yes, I just posted one of her posts.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:45:33 PM
Jill... Klass....  y'all have nanners ::MonkeyRoll::

I don't have anything yet buy you may have made a common mistake.  It's not Klass it's Klaas

smklaas@hotmail.com

aa not ss  ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks!

I don't have anything yet, either, monkeyinsc - but thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
lillyanne 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: missouri
Posts: 6 
 
Hi,
I'm a local, and personally know AB. We're in the same class, and I've been going to school with her since we were 12. I makes me really sad that she could've done something like this, and makes me rethink my judge of character.

Something I'd like to clear up is that she has seeked help for mental issues in the past. She dresses "emo", but hasn't really shown any outward signs of depressions since two years ago.

When she was around her friends, she was very happy, and bouncy, and open, and I have never witnessed her being a bully. Ever.

There are tons and tons of rumors going around our school, yet none of them contradict another. I'd like to post some of them, but being simply rumors, i can't.
 
   ::MonkeyEek:: From WS, have no idea if this is legitimate or not.

 they must have a great English comp. dept at that high school. Very articulate and goes the extra step " to clear up" issues for the sleuthing fans............ not wholly buying it


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 01:48:29 PM
Jill... Klass....  y'all have nanners ::MonkeyRoll::

I don't have anything yet buy you may have made a common mistake.  It's not Klass it's Klaas

smklaas@hotmail.com

aa not ss  ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks!

LOL my bad.  you should have something now.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: higherhopes on October 28, 2009, 01:49:07 PM
Hello Monkeys, I agree Twilight, and now Mew Moon that is coming out next month are more about love and not wanting to hurt anyone then anything else, thats the entire message of the movie, how this family of Vampires are vegetarian vamps, because they refuse to hurt people and so I really dont see a connection from Twilight to any of this..


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 01:50:05 PM
Lillyanne starts posting here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90793&page=14

Sure seems like her vocabulary is large for a 15yr old.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MyView on October 28, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
Anyone read the posts of lillyanne at an another site that claims to be a teen who goes to school with AB??



MyView - one of her posts were just posted above.  Seems she has registered and is posting at Websleuths.  No way to verify she is even a classmate.
So sorry, I didn't see it  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:52:44 PM
lillyanne 
Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: missouri
Posts: 6 
 
Hi,
I'm a local, and personally know AB. We're in the same class, and I've been going to school with her since we were 12. I makes me really sad that she could've done something like this, and makes me rethink my judge of character.

Something I'd like to clear up is that she has seeked help for mental issues in the past. She dresses "emo", but hasn't really shown any outward signs of depressions since two years ago.

When she was around her friends, she was very happy, and bouncy, and open, and I have never witnessed her being a bully. Ever.

There are tons and tons of rumors going around our school, yet none of them contradict another. I'd like to post some of them, but being simply rumors, i can't.
 
   ::MonkeyEek:: From WS, have no idea if this is legitimate or not.

 they must have a great English comp. dept at that high school. Very articulate and goes the extra step " to clear up" issues for the sleuthing fans............ not wholly buying it

if this post was made in the last hours, I would call B.S. because the kid would be in school.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:55:38 PM
Hello Monkeys, I agree Twilight, and now Mew Moon that is coming out next month are more about love and not wanting to hurt anyone then anything else, thats the entire message of the movie, how this family of Vampires are vegetarian vamps, because they refuse to hurt people and so I really dont see a connection from Twilight to any of this..

I agree, HH.

I seem to recall the vampire craze started earlier than these books.

Kids getting vampire caps on their teeth and wearing weird colored contact lenses.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
JILL~   ::MonkeyHaHa:: I must have been posting at same time, great minds and all that!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.
She said she is sick, so I'm assuming she is home.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
thanks, MonkeyinSC - got it!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 01:58:57 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.
She said she is sick, so I'm assuming she is home.
Thanks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 01:59:37 PM
JILL~   ::MonkeyHaHa:: I must have been posting at same time, great minds and all that!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 02:01:48 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.
She said she is sick, so I'm assuming she is home.
Thanks.
Still seems like an unusual place for a 15 yr old to sit and post about this. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: NCSunny on October 28, 2009, 02:04:04 PM
Afternoon Monkeys and guests,

More about ICP & Juggalos -  http://www.juggalogathering.com/home.php?page_id=info (http://www.juggalogathering.com/home.php?page_id=info)

On the site you can download a sampler mp3 of their music [warning on lyrics/language], if you are like me & curious.

I can't imagine teens listening to this type of music, but at their age, they all want to be/appear as rebellious as possible. I think a lot is for shock value or attention.

No Rose, I too went through a daughter being a cutter, and got her councelling as soon as I found out. I am proud to say that today, she is married, a very responsible, independent, talented, caring young adult.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
thanks, MonkeyinSC - got it!

Did you have the same problem I did (page loaded and the info on the left, under her nic  "disappeared")? I'm definitely no whiz with MySpace, but never saw that happen before. Usually you can click through on one of those links, like the Pictures/Videos.... 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 02:09:10 PM
Afternoon Monkeys and guests,

More about ICP & Juggalos -  http://www.juggalogathering.com/home.php?page_id=info (http://www.juggalogathering.com/home.php?page_id=info)

On the site you can download a sampler mp3 of their music [warning on lyrics/language], if you are like me & curious.

I can't imagine teens listening to this type of music, but at their age, they all want to be/appear as rebellious as possible. I think a lot is for shock value or attention.

No Rose, I too went through a daughter being a cutter, and got her councelling as soon as I found out. I am proud to say that today, she is married, a very responsible, independent, talented, caring young adult.  ::MonkeyWink::
  That is great  ::MonkeyAngel:: We got her counselling as well, and she is on medication for anxiety and depression. She had some relapses along the way. It is very difficult to deal with and understand. I had never heard of cutting until she started doing it, my husband and I were completely shocked.  And I totally agree about shock value or attention, with dress and music and such, I think we have all gone through some phase while growing up, to try to fit in or look cool.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 02:09:52 PM
hey, MonkeyinSC - the myspace page for the suspect, AB, listed on this page you just sent me is the same one that I've seen before.

Have you seen a different one for the suspect?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 02:10:57 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.

Paraphrasing but she said she was out sick with a cough, but there had been threats from AB's friends if anyone said anything bad about her, and the administration was doing nothing about it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 02:11:09 PM
thanks, MonkeyinSC - got it!

Did you have the same problem I did (page loaded and the info on the left, under her nic  "disappeared")? I'm definitely no whiz with MySpace, but never saw that happen before. Usually you can click through on one of those links, like the Pictures/Videos.... 

no, it loaded fine - except I can't find a link for pics.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 02:11:55 PM
thanks, MonkeyinSC - got it!

Did you have the same problem I did (page loaded and the info on the left, under her nic  "disappeared")? I'm definitely no whiz with MySpace, but never saw that happen before. Usually you can click through on one of those links, like the Pictures/Videos.... 

no, it loaded fine - except I can't find a link for pics.

duh, i didn't read well what you just said.

yes, I do not see pics/videos/playlist


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 02:16:29 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.

Paraphrasing but she said she was out sick with a cough, but there had been threats from AB's friends if anyone said anything bad about her, and the administration was doing nothing about it.
I guess the lesson that Dolce taught me, that anybody can make up an identity and play mind games with others, has me doubting a lot of what I read these days. no matter what this person writes I hope the killer is treated as an adult.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 02:27:16 PM
ok, I'm looking through some myspaces and it looks like some of the kids are starting to mention her.

somel very sad and still loving her.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mymonkey on October 28, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.

Paraphrasing but she said she was out sick with a cough, but there had been threats from AB's friends if anyone said anything bad about her, and the administration was doing nothing about it.
I guess the lesson that Dolce taught me, that anybody can make up an identity and play mind games with others, has me doubting a lot of what I read these days. no matter what this person writes I hope the killer is treated as an adult.

It might be Dolce with a new personality. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 02:34:39 PM
this is one that I've found:

"this is bigger than all of us. this is bigger than high school. & these stupid little rumors need to stop. you dont know anything.
Mood: yourethemonster. "


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 02:35:22 PM
Why isn't she in class right now? Did they suspend school because of the funeral?  I don't go over to WS, maybe she has answered these questions.

Paraphrasing but she said she was out sick with a cough, but there had been threats from AB's friends if anyone said anything bad about her, and the administration was doing nothing about it.
I guess the lesson that Dolce taught me, that anybody can make up an identity and play mind games with others, has me doubting a lot of what I read these days. no matter what this person writes I hope the killer is treated as an adult.

It might be Dolce with a new personality. ::MonkeyDevil2::

lucky Trisha.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 02:36:06 PM
thanks, MonkeyinSC - got it!

Did you have the same problem I did (page loaded and the info on the left, under her nic  "disappeared")? I'm definitely no whiz with MySpace, but never saw that happen before. Usually you can click through on one of those links, like the Pictures/Videos.... 

no, it loaded fine - except I can't find a link for pics.

duh, i didn't read well what you just said.

yes, I do not see pics/videos/playlist

on the left, under the main pic.. is where MS (typically) shows name, mood, last login, and "view vids/pics".  <--- THAT is all the info that magically disappears. You can only see it briefly when page first loads...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 28, 2009, 02:36:23 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys. I usually lurk in the corner.

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.

What is odd is when the page fully loads, the "last login, mood, view pics" lines of information disappear, and will not allow me to copy it. If you hit refresh, you see the text again, but then disappears again. I've never seen that happen on MS before...?

Last Login: Tuesday 10/27/09
Mood: Hiding Something (followed by a frownie-face)


Then her blog entry section shows this:
October 27, 2009 - Tuesday 
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again

Lastly, AB is on her friend list (I can tell it's her from the picture).  BUT.. I believe it is NOT the MS page that y'all have mentioned. I think it is a different one. It is set to private.
 

Do you have a link for this one?

I found an open (not set to private) MySpace for a girl who claims to be one of AB's best friends. Hometown: Forks, WA.
TIA, Lovinlife


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 28, 2009, 02:39:18 PM

Do you have a link for this one?

 TIA, Lovinlife
[/quote]

u can email me at xxxx edit to remove email addy.  MB


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 28, 2009, 02:39:28 PM
Nevermind, I'm an idiot.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 28, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
Nevermind, I'm an idiot.   ::MonkeyJnBox::
Coming at ya' Monkey in SC!!! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 02:50:27 PM
Elizabeth Olten Murder Suspect To Remain In Juvenile Custody


JEFFERSON CITY, MO (AP) - A teenage suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old mid- Missouri girl will remain in juvenile custody while a judge decides whether the case should be tried in adult court.

An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect, who has not been identified, waived a scheduled detention hearing Wednesday. But Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem did hear arguments on whether the public should be allowed at Nov. 18 hearing to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult for the death of Elizabeth Olten.

Beetem made no immediate ruling.

Funeral services for Elizabeth are scheduled for Wednesday afternoon at 2:00pm at Concord Baptist Church in Jefferson City. Afterward, the casket is to be taken by a horse-drawn hearse for burial at Hawthorn Memorial Gardens.

Elizabeth was found dead Friday in a wooded area near her St. Martins home, two days after she was reported missing.

http://www.kplr11.com/news/kplr-elizabeth-olten-suspect-custody-102909,0,447488.story?track=rss


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 28, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
Does anyone have JME's e-mail? I have another question I want to ask her/him.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

imafool@jcmo.com   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Good Afternoon Monks. I have been reading to get caught up and this just made me laugh out loud!!! JME picked the wrong place to try to start crap for sure!! :smt117


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:15:05 PM


BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 03:15:16 PM
Does anyone have JME's e-mail? I have another question I want to ask her/him.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

imafool@jcmo.com   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Good Afternoon Monks. I have been reading to get caught up and this just made me laugh out loud!!! JME picked the wrong place to try to start crap for sure!! :smt117

I thought I was very polite and nice. I didn't even bring Thor Fanny out. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 03:18:15 PM




BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:23:07 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 03:26:22 PM
IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.    She is all over the article boards with the new nic today. 

I wonder why NR.  Do you think that poster is family, with the school or LE?  What other reason would that person be so "protective" of this "suspect"


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:29:02 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE

If David Luther gets his head any further up his azz he's gonna be looking out of his mouth!  ::MonkeyEek::

I was thinking something similar but you were far gentler and kinder than my thoughts.  The board is going out of its way to deflect any blame and making sure that there are no issues can be connected to the high school and nothing is pointing their way.  What are they working so hard on hiding?  FTLOG the kids need counseling ALL of them  not just the elementary school.  The high school kids are probably feeling hurt, betrayed, confused and angry.  To top it off one of their teachers committed suicide on Monday. By saying there are no issues is how they are dealing with the kids?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 28, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Lillyanne starts posting here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90793&page=14

Sure seems like her vocabulary is large for a 15yr old.   ::MonkeyRoll::


uuummmmm sure does.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 28, 2009, 03:30:57 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE
IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.  ::MonkeyRoll::  She is all over the article boards with the new nic today.  

Hope ur feeling better Northern  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:31:36 PM
IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.    She is all over the article boards with the new nic today. 

I wonder why NR.  Do you think that poster is family, with the school or LE?  What other reason would that person be so "protective" of this "suspect"

No idea but she stated last night that she had personal reasons why she did not want the trial moved so it could be just about anything.  She sure is putting a lot of effort into her cause.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 03:32:14 PM
one of the suspect's very close friends wrote on his myspace status:

"This shouldnt have happened. Why?
Posted 18 hours ago from Mobile
 
Mood: no...  "

"If i had been there i couldve stopped it. Why'd this happen? Shes a good girl...
Mood:no...  "

looks like even some of her close friends were not aware until yesterday - his statuses before this were just regular stuff.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 03:32:22 PM
http://www.violentkids.com/articles/violence_article_2.html

Interesting article/site regarding why teens kill.  I just keep trying to understand how this kid could kill another kid, especially one 6 years younger than her, not even in high school yet. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:35:36 PM


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 28, 2009, 03:39:50 PM
Does anyone have JME's e-mail? I have another question I want to ask her/him.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

imafool@jcmo.com   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Good Afternoon Monks. I have been reading to get caught up and this just made me laugh out loud!!! JME picked the wrong place to try to start crap for sure!! :smt117

I thought I was very polite and nice. I didn't even bring Thor Fanny out. ::MonkeyDevil2::

You did good Fanny..I would have told him to F OFF...(that's fornicate off.) This case, on top of the others, has really put me in a terrible frame of mind. This 15 yo committed a heinous crime and I am sick of hearing about protecting her because she is a juvenile...I don't give a flying fig if she was a cutter....too bad she didn't cut her own throat...at least an innocent child would be alive.......I just want answers..and the powers to be are not coming forth with any....WHY? What are they really hiding?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:43:10 PM
Video: 15 year old girl charged with murder of 9 year old Elizabeth Olten

A 15-year-old girl has been arrested in the murder of a 9-year-old in St. Martins, Missouri. Elizabeth Olten disappeared last Wednesday night while walking home from a friend’s house. The local police searched for Elizabeth for two days and then received a handwritten note last Friday that led them to believe a 15-year-old girl who was living in the house Elizabeth left that night knew something about where she was.

The 15-year-old girl took the detectives deep into the woods where Elizabeth’s body was. CNN reported last night that the murder was planned and they have physical and written evidence. The 15-year-old girl did not live with her parents, but other family was taking care of her.  The local police charged the 15-year-old with first-degree murder.

In Salt Lake City in 2007, Sulejmen Talovic an 18-year-old killed five people at a local shopping mall just a few days before Valentine’s day. The murders were random and Talovic had no concern for human life, himself or his future.

Dr. Helen Smith created a documentary called "Six" that explored six teenager killers and why they did what they did. Dr. Smith said that during her research she encountered great resistance from the systems that are in part responsible for teaching and socializing these teenagers. The systems that Dr. Smith claims are particially responsible are: the educational system, law enforcement, the parents and the community.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19632-Salt-Lake-City-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m10d28-Video-15-year-old-girl-charged-with-murder-of-9-year-old-Elizabeth-Olten


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 03:46:36 PM
Officials brief press on juvenile trial case

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/video.aspx?id=368523


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.    She is all over the article boards with the new nic today. 

I wonder why NR.  Do you think that poster is family, with the school or LE?  What other reason would that person be so "protective" of this "suspect"

No idea but she stated last night that she had personal reasons why she did not want the trial moved so it could be just about anything.  She sure is putting a lot of effort into her cause.

Maybe she runs the concession stand in the Cole County Courthouse?? ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 03:49:31 PM
Bahahaha Fanny, that was a good one ...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
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IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.  ::MonkeyRoll::  She is all over the article boards with the new nic today.  

For a while there I thought she was Mrs Sheriff White.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 03:55:29 PM
Video: 15 year old girl charged with murder of 9 year old Elizabeth Olten

A 15-year-old girl has been arrested in the murder of a 9-year-old in St. Martins, Missouri. Elizabeth Olten disappeared last Wednesday night while walking home from a friend’s house. The local police searched for Elizabeth for two days and then received a handwritten note last Friday that led them to believe a 15-year-old girl who was living in the house Elizabeth left that night knew something about where she was.

The 15-year-old girl took the detectives deep into the woods where Elizabeth’s body was. CNN reported last night that the murder was planned and they have physical and written evidence. The 15-year-old girl did not live with her parents, but other family was taking care of her.  The local police charged the 15-year-old with first-degree murder.

In Salt Lake City in 2007, Sulejmen Talovic an 18-year-old killed five people at a local shopping mall just a few days before Valentine’s day. The murders were random and Talovic had no concern for human life, himself or his future.

Dr. Helen Smith created a documentary called "Six" that explored six teenager killers and why they did what they did. Dr. Smith said that during her research she encountered great resistance from the systems that are in part responsible for teaching and socializing these teenagers. The systems that Dr. Smith claims are particially responsible are: the educational system, law enforcement, the parents and the community.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19632-Salt-Lake-City-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m10d28-Video-15-year-old-girl-charged-with-murder-of-9-year-old-Elizabeth-Olten

Mr Dumbazz over at the School Board ought to take a little time to read this article. He's too busy running around pointing fingers at everyone else. I betcha there's some folks that were best buds last week that are mortal enemies this week over this.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 28, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
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IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.  ::MonkeyRoll::  She is all over the article boards with the new nic today.  

For a while there I thought she was Mrs Sheriff White.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Sorry for the O/T

but Fanny, you may wanna head to the JSM, CC's at it again................


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 28, 2009, 03:57:24 PM




C-Spice October 28, 2009 2:24PM CST
The suspect is a girl and apparently she has been keeping a detailed diary of everything she has been wanting to do and or has done. It was def. premeditated and she should be tried as an adult! RIP Baby Elizabeth, God be with your family and strengthen their hearts to somewhat handle not having their little girl. We know one family that won't enjoy christmas this year, it was stolen from them, in fact, it was ALL taken away from them. May justice be served to the fullest.

:_(http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/comments?ReadForm&db=stltoday\news\stories.nsf&docid=970803DD3A4B3E888625765D0039D277


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 04:05:45 PM
Interview with Vicki Olten on NG

<snipped>

GRACE: When did you first discover that Elizabeth was missing?

OLTEN: Her oldest sister called me about 7:00 o`clock and told me they couldn`t find her and that they were out looking for her, that she was headed to her mother`s house. And then they went up to the other house where she was supposed to be playing and they said she wasn`t there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/27/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: jill on October 28, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
Interview with Vicki Olten on NG

<snipped>

GRACE: When did you first discover that Elizabeth was missing?

OLTEN: Her oldest sister called me about 7:00 o`clock and told me they couldn`t find her and that they were out looking for her, that she was headed to her mother`s house. And then they went up to the other house where she was supposed to be playing and they said she wasn`t there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/27/ng.01.html

Vicki Olten, btw, was NOT included in the obit.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
Interview with Vicki Olten on NG

<snipped>

GRACE: When did you first discover that Elizabeth was missing?

OLTEN: Her oldest sister called me about 7:00 o`clock and told me they couldn`t find her and that they were out looking for her, that she was headed to her mother`s house. And then they went up to the other house where she was supposed to be playing and they said she wasn`t there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/27/ng.01.html

Vicki Olten, btw, was NOT included in the obit.

I noticed that the Olten side was excluded as well.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 04:13:48 PM
Suspect in Olten Murder is 15-Year Old Girl

(Jefferson City, MO) -- The teenage girl suspect in the slaying of a 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten of St. Martin, Missouri will remain in juvenile custody while a judge decides whether the case should be tried in adult court.

An attorney for the 15-year-old suspect, who has not been identified, waived a scheduled detention hearing this morning.

But Cole County Circuit Judge Jon Beetem did hear arguments on whether the public should be allowed at the November 18 hearing to determine whether the teen should be tried as an adult.

The girl's defense attorney argued the hearing should be closed to protect teen's identity.  "There's no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. I don't know where my client will get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released," said defense attorney Kurt Valentine.

But Samantha Green, an attorney for the juvenile court, cited a similar Missouri case in which a juvenile had been charged with first degree murder.

In that case the Supreme Court ruled the certification hearing had to be open to the public. "The Mo Supreme Court found no compelling reason to close that hearing, which is very similar to this matter here. We are bound by Mo Supreme Cort decision. We can not stray from them."

The judge made no immediate ruling but said that he would contact the media soon to let them know if they can attend the hearing.
 
Meantime, funeral services for Elizabeth are scheduled this afternoon at a Jefferson City church. She was found dead last Friday in a wooded area near her Cole County home, two days after she was reported missing.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199971


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 04:17:41 PM
Columbia fifth graders snort candy

COLUMBIA -- School administrators have warned some Columbia fifth graders about the dangers of snorting candy.

Fifth graders at Columbia’s Paxton-Keeley Elementary School have been crushing up a candy called Smarties and inhaling a powdery sugar-based substance.

Smarties are similar to Sweetarts as they are made mostly of sugar. School officials said fifth graders at Columbia’s Paxton-Keeley elementary school have been slipping away to the bathroom to crush these pieces of candy into powder and then snort them up their nose. Some students said they learned about snorting Smarties on Youtube.

“It’s nothing that Paxton-Keeley kids came up with," Paxton-Keeley Principal Elaine Hassemer said. "It’s been around for several years.  It seems to be resurfacing. That might be in part due to some of the video that has been posted on Youtube across the nation.”

MORE....

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?list=~%5Cnews%5Clists%5Clocal&id=368450


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Wyks on October 28, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
Hi monks,
Been sitting here putting together the rumors all over the net, and am wondering IF..

IF it may turn out to be true, or not... that there possibly was a grave predug, that possibly AB had help, that possibly she/they lured Elizabeth to the area of the predug grave by grabbing her cell phone and running there.. with Elizabeth following to get her cell phone back.  IF it's possible that AB wrote this stuff down earlier on, perhaps as an essay in a journal or diary at school, as an assignment.  IF it's possible that the teacher who killed himself on Monday was actually a journalism teacher, did he make that assignment, read what AB had written and did not take it seriously or report it.  IF it's possible that this happened and he felt somehow responsible for not preventing a death, hence his suicide.  (not saying that *I* am blaming him, am saying that perhaps HE blamed himself).  IF that's true, could be why the school board seems to have felt it necessary to call that meeting on Monday, then spend such an effort trying to convince the world that "school" had nothing to do with the death of Elizabeth. 

IF any/all of the above is true.... then errmmm.. yeah..  IMO, "school" (in the collective sense) had everything to do with her death, no matter that it didn't happen there.  She spent the greater majority of her day in school, 5 days a week, Lord only knows what she went thru each day, what with possible bullies and all.  And then IF it's true about the teacher, the journal/diary, the suicide..   

There are reasons why LE is trying SO damn hard to keep things quiet in this case.  I wonder if they realize that just makes the whole world sit up and pay closer attention, determined to learn even more about what LE doesn't want said.

I honestly believe that it is going to get more ugly as the facts dwindle out.  And they are.  Already, AB's first name has been posted in one of those comment sections.  LE may as well just give the basic facts as they can, considering she's a minor, and that will lay at least some of the rumors to rest. 

All IMO, and speculation...
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Lovinlife on October 28, 2009, 04:36:46 PM

**snipped**
The girl's defense attorney argued the hearing should be closed to protect teen's identity.  "There's no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. I don't know where my client will get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released," said defense attorney Kurt Valentine.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199971
Maybe his client should plead guilty. JMO.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Wyks on October 28, 2009, 04:47:48 PM

**snipped**
The girl's defense attorney argued the hearing should be closed to protect teen's identity.  "There's no way this juvenile will get a fair trial in this city, county, state. I don't know where my client will get a fair trial once this name is released and the facts of the case are released," said defense attorney Kurt Valentine.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=199971
Maybe his client should plead guilty. JMO.

Interesting how much the defense attorney and the troll from last night *sound alike*.  Heh. 

The one from last night went into WS with a different name, but didn't last long there.   ::MonkeyHaHa::
   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 04:53:40 PM
 Suspect to remain in custody.

The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials then argued whether future proceedings should be closed to the public. The suspect's defense attorney said making it public would not be beneficial to anybody. He said it would make it impossible to have a fair trial and the info would be harmful to the public. The prosecution said the court is bound by law to allow access. It also said its a bench trial so getting the word out wouldn't matter.  Posted by Curtis Varns

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 04:53:44 PM
What is the big deal about the girls name since it is already out?  I mean how hard is it to see who never came back to school after Friday? The evidence appears to be pretty clear, now why is it again that the accused has more rights than the victim?  Oh yeah ... She is dead.    ::MonkeyMad::  I am so tired of this "suspect" being so protected.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 04:56:24 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE
IMO jme has changed her nic but left a clue.  ::MonkeyRoll::  She is all over the article boards with the new nic today.  

For a while there I thought she was Mrs Sheriff White.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Sorry for the O/T

but Fanny, you may wanna head to the JSM, CC's at it again................

Thanks. He's so in trouble.....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
Suspect to remain in custody.

The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials then argued whether future proceedings should be closed to the public. The suspect's defense attorney said making it public would not be beneficial to anybody. He said it would make it impossible to have a fair trial and the info would be harmful to the public. The prosecution said the court is bound by law to allow access. It also said its a bench trial so getting the word out wouldn't matter.  Posted by Curtis Varns

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=

I am so thankful that the defense attorney is trying to keep the public safe from information when they could not keep one 9 year old girl safe.   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
Suspect to remain in custody.

The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials then argued whether future proceedings should be closed to the public. The suspect's defense attorney said making it public would not be beneficial to anybody. He said it would make it impossible to have a fair trial and the info would be harmful to the public. The prosecution said the court is bound by law to allow access. It also said its a bench trial so getting the word out wouldn't matter.  Posted by Curtis Varns

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=

I am so thankful that the defense attorney is trying to keep the public safe from information when they could not keep one 9 year old girl safe.   

I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 28, 2009, 05:12:06 PM
Suspect to remain in custody.

The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials then argued whether future proceedings should be closed to the public. The suspect's defense attorney said making it public would not be beneficial to anybody. He said it would make it impossible to have a fair trial and the info would be harmful to the public. The prosecution said the court is bound by law to allow access. It also said its a bench trial so getting the word out wouldn't matter.  Posted by Curtis Varns

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=

I am so thankful that the defense attorney is trying to keep the public safe from information when they could not keep one 9 year old girl safe.   

I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::

I just dont see how the Perp's name coming out is going to hurt her and the case?? she did and adult crime treat her like the adult she's acting like...what is going to change knowing her name, or info about the crime. All that is left now is to learn from this, how can we learn what we cant know??


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 05:12:41 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 05:13:54 PM
Hi monks,
Been sitting here putting together the rumors all over the net, and am wondering IF..

IF it may turn out to be true, or not... that there possibly was a grave predug, that possibly AB had help, that possibly she/they lured Elizabeth to the area of the predug grave by grabbing her cell phone and running there.. with Elizabeth following to get her cell phone back.  IF it's possible that AB wrote this stuff down earlier on, perhaps as an essay in a journal or diary at school, as an assignment.  IF it's possible that the teacher who killed himself on Monday was actually a journalism teacher, did he make that assignment, read what AB had written and did not take it seriously or report it.  IF it's possible that this happened and he felt somehow responsible for not preventing a death, hence his suicide.  (not saying that *I* am blaming him, am saying that perhaps HE blamed himself).  IF that's true, could be why the school board seems to have felt it necessary to call that meeting on Monday, then spend such an effort trying to convince the world that "school" had nothing to do with the death of Elizabeth. 

IF any/all of the above is true.... then errmmm.. yeah..  IMO, "school" (in the collective sense) had everything to do with her death, no matter that it didn't happen there.  She spent the greater majority of her day in school, 5 days a week, Lord only knows what she went thru each day, what with possible bullies and all.  And then IF it's true about the teacher, the journal/diary, the suicide..   

There are reasons why LE is trying SO damn hard to keep things quiet in this case.  I wonder if they realize that just makes the whole world sit up and pay closer attention, determined to learn even more about what LE doesn't want said.

I honestly believe that it is going to get more ugly as the facts dwindle out.  And they are.  Already, AB's first name has been posted in one of those comment sections.  LE may as well just give the basic facts as they can, considering she's a minor, and that will lay at least some of the rumors to rest. 

All IMO, and speculation...
 

I have not been able to put Lindsay Baum out of my mind for the past few days. I am seeing so many parallels and I don't think we even thought about school administrations when she came up missing. I know school was not in session at the time, but really it is a tremendous part of a child's life. And now we see not only them, but everyone else connected to the LE and the city and county skittering around trying to CYA. Just my thoughts.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 05:22:39 PM
Once again ... its not too hard to figure out which kid didnt come back to school after Friday.  I think once it is "legally" ok to say, the name will not be such a big deal, especially if she is tried as an adult.  (As she should be ...IMO)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 05:43:23 PM
Once again ... its not too hard to figure out which kid didnt come back to school after Friday.  I think once it is "legally" ok to say, the name will not be such a big deal, especially if she is tried as an adult.  (As she should be ...IMO)

God forgive me, but I think it is more to protect the foster parents (Grandmother and poss Grandfather) than it is to protect her as a juvenile. That is my gut feeling. They are protecting that family just like the families of the Columbine killers. I am not trying to crucify them, but to just run and hide seems so irresponsible. And to leave these teenagers in high school that are having to live this with no guidance and blow in the wind is reprehensible. There is real pain in those posts in the comment sections and in the MySpaces.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
Some great photos of Elizabeth with her family:

http://elizabetholten.ning.com/photo/photo/list?page=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Searching on October 28, 2009, 05:57:33 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Wyks on October 28, 2009, 06:19:11 PM
Suspect to remain in custody.

The judge rules the suspect in the Elizabeth Olten murder will remain in custody. Officials then argued whether future proceedings should be closed to the public. The suspect's defense attorney said making it public would not be beneficial to anybody. He said it would make it impossible to have a fair trial and the info would be harmful to the public. The prosecution said the court is bound by law to allow access. It also said its a bench trial so getting the word out wouldn't matter.  Posted by Curtis Varns

http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15332&author=Matt%20LeBlanc&category=Court%20Ruling&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=

The above with what the defense attorney says, plus the following:

<snipped from article>

Kurt Valentine, the teen's lawyer, said Elizabeth's death has put Jefferson City in "turmoil" and that opening the hearing could hamper the chances for a fair trial.

"There's been a lot of speculation, but now we will have in giant headlines my client's name," Valentine said.

"There is no way in the world that could possibly be in the best interest of this particular juvenile."


<more in article at:>

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-olten,0,3875972.story (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-missing-olten,0,3875972.story)


I just don't get it!   ::MonkeyNoNo::  WHAT is so unique to "this particular juvenile" that so much needs to be kept so frigging secret, and has what seems all of Jeff City scampering to CYA!  IMO, this is far above and beyond what is typically done with juvenile suspects.  That alone is what is making me nuts, not who the suspect is, but WHY and WHAT is so terribly awful that the world must not know??? 

Is it political? 

I'm with you, Fanny.  This seems to be more about protecting the suspect's family members than about protecting the rights of a juvenile, blah blah blah.  Where was any concern shown for Elizabeth and family? 

IMO, it doesn't MATTER who this juvenile is, who their family members may be, who the teachers may be or might have been.  If any of them are "prominent" in society or not, I don't really care.  The juvenile supposedly led LE to Elizabeth's body, and supposedly there was enough physical evidence that led them to an immediate knowledge of what happened. Enough to press charges of 1st degree murder.  What matters IMO is that swift justice be brought for Elizabeth and HER family.  Period.  No MATTER who or what this juvenile/family is or isn't. 

If anyone, IMO, what LE has/hasn't made public, defense attorney making such statements as the above, along with those scurrying around trying to cover their asses, is some of the main reasons that folks are becoming so upset.  Almost as if they are *trying* to make this into something it wasn't, to begin with.  Then are they going to turn around and blame the bloggers, etc when it seems they themselves brought it on? 

Again, IMO.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 06:20:38 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

UGH! I am beginning to think this generation doesn't have a chance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 28, 2009, 06:24:37 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109 (http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109)

There are some photos of the horse drawn casket carrying Elizabeth. Really, really sad.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
Some great photos of Elizabeth with her family:

http://elizabetholten.ning.com/photo/photo/list?page=1

Thank you KLAAS. THIS is the juvenile that needed to be protected. Sweet, beautiful Liz.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 06:30:24 PM
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109 (http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109)

There are some photos of the horse drawn casket carrying Elizabeth. Really, really sad.

Thank you ESPRESSO. This is just so sad.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 06:33:36 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

I was talking to my son about this, and it was a new one to him. He is pretty "up" on all these different things, even though he is older. Why a mom would even think this would be ok, I cannot fathom.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

I was talking to my son about this, and it was a new one to him. He is pretty "up" on all these different things, even though he is older. Why a mom would even think this would be ok, I cannot fathom.

 ....and to think I thought Toddlers and Tiaras was bad.    ::MonkeyEek::   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Searching on October 28, 2009, 06:41:17 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

I was talking to my son about this, and it was a new one to him. He is pretty "up" on all these different things, even though he is older. Why a mom would even think this would be ok, I cannot fathom.

Did you see the type of comments being made about her daughters? WTH is wrong with her. IMO SHE is exploiting her daughters.  ::MonkeyMad::

THIS is part of the problem if you ask me. My children were friends with a girl who's mother smoked pot with her girls, 13 and 15 years old. When the 13 year old was caught in a trailer park down the road doing a "train" I put my foot down, they were NOT to associate with those girls AT all, I had told them prior but they were sneaking to see her.. well, her mother said I was a bad mother because I was to strict on my children.. Hello, mine did not steal my car or any other car at age 13 and almost kill a family in a car they hit at a high rate of speed, mine were not doing trains at 13 in front yards and mine were not cutting school to smoke dope every day.. WTH is wrong with some parents today.    ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 06:43:11 PM
Mourners remember Elizabeth Olten

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- A 9-year-old Missouri girl found slain last week is being remembered at her funeral as a "precious little girl" who gave to friends and family.

Elizabeth Olten disappeared the evening of Oct. 21 during a short walk home from a friend's house in St. Martins, just outside Jefferson City. Her funeral was held Wednesday at a Jefferson City church, with the casket later taken to a cemetery by horse-drawn carriage.

Some at the funeral wore pink shirts in honor of Elizabeth's favorite color.

A 15-year-old described as an acquaintance of Elizabeth has been charged with first-degree murder. At a hearing Wednesday, a judge ordered that the teen remain in juvenile custody pending a decision on moving the case to adult court.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109

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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: mizjay on October 28, 2009, 06:57:18 PM
Mourners remember Elizabeth Olten

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- A 9-year-old Missouri girl found slain last week is being remembered at her funeral as a "precious little girl" who gave to friends and family.

Elizabeth Olten disappeared the evening of Oct. 21 during a short walk home from a friend's house in St. Martins, just outside Jefferson City. Her funeral was held Wednesday at a Jefferson City church, with the casket later taken to a cemetery by horse-drawn carriage.

Some at the funeral wore pink shirts in honor of Elizabeth's favorite color.

A 15-year-old described as an acquaintance of Elizabeth has been charged with first-degree murder. At a hearing Wednesday, a judge ordered that the teen remain in juvenile custody pending a decision on moving the case to adult court.


http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109

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Thanks NR.  So sad.
All the ppl. that say that these types of things have always happened but we're just more aware of them due to the web and global news and all, I think are wrong. Abduction after abduction, murder after murder, abuse right and left has escalated out of control. When I was cleaning out my mother's massive stockpile of news papers some as far back as the late 1800's, I read lots of them. There wasn't any of this stuff. it was real news if somebody stole a chicken or a wallet, big, big news if somebody was a peeping tom.
There is some kind of tear in our society's fabric.   Sorry to be such a debbie downer but I'm so tired of seeing these funerals


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 28, 2009, 06:59:45 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

UGH! I am beginning to think this generation doesn't have a chance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Fanny, I just watched that video and I am so thankful to God my nephew listens to old music like Bob Dylan and not this crap. I can't imagine a mother letting her daughters listen to this, much less make a video of them and posting it on youtube. JMO JSM

 ::MonkeyBike:: BTL


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Searching on October 28, 2009, 07:01:49 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

UGH! I am beginning to think this generation doesn't have a chance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Fanny, I just watched that video and I am so thankful to God my nephew listens to old music like Bob Dylan and not this crap. I can't imagine a mother letting her daughters listen to this, much less make a video of them and posting it on youtube. JMO JSM

 ::MonkeyBike:: BTL

JSM and Fanny, my son is 16 and found that video to be inappropriate and was disgusted by a 'mom' videoing her daughters like that.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 28, 2009, 07:02:55 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

I was talking to my son about this, and it was a new one to him. He is pretty "up" on all these different things, even though he is older. Why a mom would even think this would be ok, I cannot fathom.

Did you see the type of comments being made about her daughters? WTH is wrong with her. IMO SHE is exploiting her daughters.  ::MonkeyMad::

THIS is part of the problem if you ask me. My children were friends with a girl who's mother smoked pot with her girls, 13 and 15 years old. When the 13 year old was caught in a trailer park down the road doing a "train" I put my foot down, they were NOT to associate with those girls AT all, I had told them prior but they were sneaking to see her.. well, her mother said I was a bad mother because I was to strict on my children.. Hello, mine did not steal my car or any other car at age 13 and almost kill a family in a car they hit at a high rate of speed, mine were not doing trains at 13 in front yards and mine were not cutting school to smoke dope every day.. WTH is wrong with some parents today.    ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::
Searching, IDK what is wrong with some parents, but you are a good one for putting your foot down and keeping yours from associating with those girls you are talking about. Also,  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: That youtube just about did me in, I am still shocked about that one.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: espresso on October 28, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
OH My!  I know those girls and that mom!!!! Just kidding--thought we could use a little laughter about now.




Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: joesamas mama on October 28, 2009, 07:07:26 PM
My son and I were just talking about Jugallo's etc and he said he had to show me something... I am sitting here in shock, I am sick to my stomach at the video he showed me. The "MOTHER" helped these girls with this video. WTH is wrong with her. I am sorry,we see all this and wonder why,how,WHY and then my son shows me a video like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiKl3cT2n0

WARNING, the language in the song has much to be desired,it is filthy language.. but this mother needs to examine her parenting style JMO.

UGH! I am beginning to think this generation doesn't have a chance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
  ::MonkeyEek:: Fanny, I just watched that video and I am so thankful to God my nephew listens to old music like Bob Dylan and not this crap. I can't imagine a mother letting her daughters listen to this, much less make a video of them and posting it on youtube. JMO JSM

 ::MonkeyBike:: BTL

JSM and Fanny, my son is 16 and found that video to be inappropriate and was disgusted by a 'mom' videoing her daughters like that.
ITA with your son searching very inappropriate and I am glad your son thinks so too. The comments on the youtube creeped me out too. Also, I had never heard of ICP until today. I asked a girl at work about them, she said they were big when she was in Jr high, but she didn't listen to them. She is youngish with a daughter. I think I will show her this youtube tomorrow and see what her thoughts are on the mom letting her girls do this vid. I have a feeling she will have the same thoughts we have.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 07:17:13 PM
OH My!  I know those girls and that mom!!!! Just kidding--thought we could use a little laughter about now.




I know you were joking, but the bad thing is somebody really does know this mother and those children. I wonder how many of them know about this, and if they feel the same way the mom does? Gosh, my mama would have had me by the throat and my mouth washed out with real soap if I ever said even one of those words those girls were saying. Them my grandmama would have a go at me. My girls and I used to dance around the living room to music and we thought we were cool. But there was nothing near to that! I am still in shock, and I thought I was unshockable... I have learned in my later years that I am not. I was stunned with the Balloon Boys "Pu**ified" rap song too.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 07:37:48 PM
Elizabeth Olten Case: 15-Year-Old Girl Kills 9-Year-Old Girl, Police Suspect
<snipped>

According to ABC News, the suspect's attorney, Kurt Valentine, said, "It will be the judge's obligation to look at the individual and look at her, excuse me, look at the juvenile's circumstances."

Valentine also said, "I would ask that they wait, that they listen to the facts as they come out and not judge quickly. Learn about this person, learn about this child. You're dealing with a child."

The 15-year-old who killed or caused the death of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten, according to her lawyer, has extenuating "circumstances." Barring the 15-year-old being mentally challenged to the point of not knowing right from wrong, however, it would be difficult to see what kind of "circumstances" could exist that would not have the judge render the decision to have the girl tried as an adult. That the 15-year-old suspect had the wherewithal to secrete the body in the woods implies mental presence of knowledge of right and wrong, which means that Valentine might be looking toward a non-nurturing environment as a defense for his client.

And his reference to the girl as a "child" is manipulative, not factual. Fifteen years places a person developmentally in the stages of adolescence and young adulthood. The judge will no doubt order a psychiatric evaluation to determine the suspect's soundness of mind, temperament, and mental capacity.

But where to draw the line? Not knowing the circumstances of Elizabeth Olten's death or the manner in which she died, it is difficult to determine how the judge might proceed. And the decisions that the judge will make cannot be simple, either. A girl's future hangs in the balance. Questions need to be answered. How was the crime committed? What were the circumstances? How should matters proceed for an adjudication to be effectively rendered? How does one protect the rights of the individual? Does society need to be protected from the suspect?

In short, how does one find justice for the death of a 9-year-old girl?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2333070/elizabeth_olten_case_15yearold_girl_pg2_pg2.html?cat=17


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 07:42:51 PM
Teen Girl Charged in 9-Year-Old's Murder

Video

Elizabeth was playing with the suspects sister and after Elizabeth left the suspect called Elizabeth and told her to come back.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/teen-girl-charged-year-olds-murder/Story?id=8931780&page=1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 08:06:40 PM
Teen Girl Charged in 9-Year-Old's Murder

Video

Elizabeth was playing with the suspects sister and after Elizabeth left the suspect called Elizabeth and told her to come back.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/teen-girl-charged-year-olds-murder/Story?id=8931780&page=1

You know, I guess I am just hard hearted where it comes to this, but I really don't care what the 15 year old's story is. I simply do not care! If she had lashed out at the adults in her life that had caused her misery, I might could cut her a break. But I cannot think of a scenario where this girl killing a NINE YEAR OLD could be excused, even if she had a brain tumor.

 She led the LE to Liz's body. I am sure whatever shape her body was in was awful. If she planned it, and then followed through, I don't care what a pitiful life she might have had. I don't care. I will never care. What I do care about is how Liz must have suffered out in the dirt and the rain and the cold.

 What I do care about is the grieving family she left behind. What I do care about is the children and teens who are suffering because of adult stupidity and selfishness. What I do care about is what child is living and breathing tonight and just wants to grow up and have fun, and may tomorrow be the next victim of some horrible circumstance, and another family will be in grief. That is what I care about. I could give a snit about the rights of a poor 15 yr old girl that murdered a nine year old.

And I say to the foster family, come out from your hiding place. Come out and say how sorry you feel. Come out and say that you wish this wouldn't have happened and your heart is broken. Go hug her mother and her siblings. And for the love of God Jefferson City, do something about the problem that seems to be festering there! JMODO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 08:16:55 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

Am I confusing my facts, but didn't Lindsay Baum also read the Twilight series?  ::MonkeyConfused::

she and several million others.  I bet they read "Where the Wild Things Are," too, back in the day.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 08:32:53 PM
Elizabeth Olten laid to rest

The Capital City came together Wednesday to say goodbye to little Elizabeth Olten. Olten was remembered by family and friends at a funeral service at Concord Baptist Church.

Afterwards her pink casket was carried by a horse drawn carraige to a nearby cemetary for burial.

It was a goodbye that came too soon for the hundreds of family, friends and even those who didn't even know little Elizabeth.


She's remembered as a little girl who loved Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift, dressing up her animals and baking cookies with her mom.


Jefferson City resident Linda Crawley was one of the dozens who stood near the cemetary's entrence to pay her respects to the family.

"My heart breaks for them and I just feel any kind of support shown to them is very important,” said Crawley. “They need their community around them and to support them in their time of need."

Mekeda Rosenberg also did not know the family, but felt compelled to drive in from California, Mo to attend.

"I just come out here to show my support,” said Rosenberg. “I got a four year old niece and I know if this were to happen to her I'd want the whole world to be here and grieve with the family."

As the crowd prayed, some hugged and held each other, in disbelief that their little girl won't be coming home again.

After the graveside service, pink balloons floated up into the sky; a fitting goodbye for a girl who everyone says has a special place in heaven.

*While the funeral was private, KRCG had permission from the Olten family to be present at the funeral.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369109


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

It's not a Girl Scout function is it?  They are doing a Twilight and Planet 51 Lock in at our local movie theatre for the Girl Scouts.  Just interested to see if other Service Units are doing the same thing.  I have read the first book and seen the movie.  I allowed my son to read it.  I didn't find anything inappropriate.  There is even a scene where "Bella" almost gets assaulted by some men when she is walking alone at night.  A good lesson for teens/preteens to learn imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
 Olten's Online Memorial
Video as well

COLUMBIA - A Facebook page helps friends and family remember Elizabeth Olten.

The Facebook page "Help Find Elizabeth Olten" was once a place volunteers could go to learn about the search for the missing 9-year-old. With news of the girl's death, the site became a memorial.

The page was established by family friend Kelly Adrian. Adrian said he felt helpless at school in Florida and wanted to help. He said his hometown's response surprised him.

"Seeing the community go together back home in Jefferson City, being able to pull all that together, that makes me proud of where I'm from," Adrian said.

Adrian posted updates he found from different media sources on the site to keep family and friends concerned. Adrian said his friends in Florida also followed the news and were amazed at the response. After the news of her death, Adrian said the page became even more important. He said he thinks giving people a place to mourn and share memories is important, especially for people who may not have known her well. He said the site helped him heal in his grieving process.

Though Olten was not old enough to have a Facebook profile, Adrian thinks Facebook's new ability to preserve profiles in memory of those who pass away is a good thing. He said he's had friends die and looking at their old pictures or comments is comforting.

That was the idea behind Max Kelly's push for the memorialized profiles. A little over four years ago, right after Kelly began working for Facebook, a good friend and fellow Facebook employee passed away. In a note published Monday to Facebook users , Kelly explained his experiences.

"When someone leaves us, it doesn't mean they leave our memories or our social network," he wrote.

Lissa Behm-Morawitz is a researcher and associate professor with the Communications Department at the University of Missouri. She said the Internet is a logical tool to aid the mourning process. "With the Internet, you can reach a larger group of people and in an interactive way. People can participate in the grieving conversation," she said.

Adrian said he plans to continue the site to remember Olten and help her family heal.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/9c5d49f4-80ce-0971-0156-f085295517d9


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 28, 2009, 08:39:55 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

It's not a Girl Scout function is it?  They are doing a Twilight and Planet 51 Lock in at our local movie theatre for the Girl Scouts.  Just interested to see if other Service Units are doing the same thing.  I have read the first book and seen the movie.  I allowed my son to read it.  I didn't find anything inappropriate.  There is even a scene where "Bella" almost gets assaulted by some men when she is walking alone at night.  A good lesson for teens/preteens to learn imo.
No, my daughter is 23 and her best friend's husband works for a movie chain, it is some special showing of the new movie tonight at midnight.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 08:42:11 PM
  


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 09:20:17 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

It's not a Girl Scout function is it?  They are doing a Twilight and Planet 51 Lock in at our local movie theatre for the Girl Scouts.  Just interested to see if other Service Units are doing the same thing.  I have read the first book and seen the movie.  I allowed my son to read it.  I didn't find anything inappropriate.  There is even a scene where "Bella" almost gets assaulted by some men when she is walking alone at night.  A good lesson for teens/preteens to learn imo.


Isn't this a school night?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 10:22:42 PM
I don't get this, both of my daughters enjoy the Twilight series, and the movie, in fact the youngest is seeing a special screening of the new Twilight movie at Midnight. From what I've read of them, the books seem very mild, I'm real confused that violence would spring from this  ::MonkeyConfused::

It's not a Girl Scout function is it?  They are doing a Twilight and Planet 51 Lock in at our local movie theatre for the Girl Scouts.  Just interested to see if other Service Units are doing the same thing.  I have read the first book and seen the movie.  I allowed my son to read it.  I didn't find anything inappropriate.  There is even a scene where "Bella" almost gets assaulted by some men when she is walking alone at night.  A good lesson for teens/preteens to learn imo.


Isn't this a school night?


Lol! yea my mind skipped over the fact that she meant tonight midnight.  Ours will be on a Friday at midnight.  Sry, for the confusion.  And in no way, shape, or form would my kids be going to a midnight movie on a school night.  I know some parents who are letting thier kids skip school tomorrow to go see the Micheal Jackson movie and you won't see my kids doing that with my knowledge either.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 28, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
Teen Girl Charged in 9-Year-Old's Murder

Video

Elizabeth was playing with the suspects sister and after Elizabeth left the suspect called Elizabeth and told her to come back.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/teen-girl-charged-year-olds-murder/Story?id=8931780&page=1

You know, I guess I am just hard hearted where it comes to this, but I really don't care what the 15 year old's story is. I simply do not care! If she had lashed out at the adults in her life that had caused her misery, I might could cut her a break. But I cannot think of a scenario where this girl killing a NINE YEAR OLD could be excused, even if she had a brain tumor.

 She led the LE to Liz's body. I am sure whatever shape her body was in was awful. If she planned it, and then followed through, I don't care what a pitiful life she might have had. I don't care. I will never care. What I do care about is how Liz must have suffered out in the dirt and the rain and the cold.

 What I do care about is the grieving family she left behind. What I do care about is the children and teens who are suffering because of adult stupidity and selfishness. What I do care about is what child is living and breathing tonight and just wants to grow up and have fun, and may tomorrow be the next victim of some horrible circumstance, and another family will be in grief. That is what I care about. I could give a snit about the rights of a poor 15 yr old girl that murdered a nine year old.

And I say to the foster family, come out from your hiding place. Come out and say how sorry you feel. Come out and say that you wish this wouldn't have happened and your heart is broken. Go hug her mother and her siblings. And for the love of God Jefferson City, do something about the problem that seems to be festering there! JMODO

I drive by these houses daily. NG even showed the suspect's home. GB is the grandfather of AB, AB showed up a few years ago, I think she was have problems in CA or out West, where the family moved from to St. Martins about 5 years ago. They bought the Higgins old buff brick house, then built a new house behind it and turned the old house into a day care. Are posting names against the boards rules?

Also I think Elizabeth was probably playing with the suspect's niece or cousin, not sister. GB must have been married before, as there are some large age gaps in his children.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Maven on October 28, 2009, 10:24:08 PM
comment posted on AOL news story.
http://news.aol.com/article/15-year-old-girl-held-in-slaying-of/734317

 Shawneerain1

09:44 PMOct 29 2009

My family and I live 5 miles from all of this . My son is on the same school bus as both girls,along with the 15 tear old's little brother.. I do know the girl's name and somewhat of her history at JC High School . It has been said , the 15 year old has assaulted.others. . It is also has been confirmed that the Elizabeth was stabbed several times strangled ,then her neck was sliced.The girl in custody in this alleged crime's name is ******. **********. it is also known that the killer dug a grave the Fri before.. I was at the visitation yesterday and the funaral today. The funral Home gave their all to bring her to her final resting place in a white horse drawn hearst. people lined the streets some that looked for her(Hundereds of people came to help in the search and hundreds were turned away all wanting to help, myself included) A lot more in the collective sorrow we feel for the family.Reach the killer at the Prenger Juvenile Attention Center Jefferson City Mo.


*name was edited out by me, but full name is posted in this comment on that page


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
October 28th, 2009Mourners wore pink and released balloons Wednesday to honor a slain 9-year-old from Missouri who was remembered at her funeral as a "precious little girl" who liked horses and music.

http://www.kmov.com/video/lateststories-index.html?nvid=410322


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
comment posted on AOL news story.
http://news.aol.com/article/15-year-old-girl-held-in-slaying-of/734317

 Shawneerain1

09:44 PMOct 29 2009

My family and I live 5 miles from all of this . My son is on the same school bus as both girls,along with the 15 tear old's little brother.. I do know the girl's name and somewhat of her history at JC High School . It has been said , the 15 year old has assaulted.others. . It is also has been confirmed that the Elizabeth was stabbed several times strangled ,then her neck was sliced.The girl in custody in this alleged crime's name is ******. **********. it is also known that the killer dug a grave the Fri before.. I was at the visitation yesterday and the funaral today. The funral Home gave their all to bring her to her final resting place in a white horse drawn hearst. people lined the streets some that looked for her(Hundereds of people came to help in the search and hundreds were turned away all wanting to help, myself included) A lot more in the collective sorrow we feel for the family.Reach the killer at the Prenger Juvenile Attention Center Jefferson City Mo.


*name was edited out by me, but full name is posted in this comment on that page


There was a very nice picture of the funeral at that link.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 28, 2009, 10:40:40 PM
Well it didn't take long for someone to put her name out there..... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 28, 2009, 10:40:46 PM
This just makes me so very sad.  My niece is her age and she adores the "older" girls and would probably follow them anywhere, if not scared off.  This could happen to any little child.  This absolutely just breaks my heart.  I dont give a crap what this "kid" teenager or what ever you want to call her .... her monster !@$$ needs to be locked up for eternity.   Rehabilitated?  Seriously?  Not in my neighborhood.  That is just pure - D- Evil!, IMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 10:48:56 PM
This just makes me so very sad.  My niece is her age and she adores the "older" girls and would probably follow them anywhere, if not scared off.  This could happen to any little child.  This absolutely just breaks my heart.  I dont give a crap what this "kid" teenager or what ever you want to call her .... her monster !@$$ needs to be locked up for eternity.   Rehabilitated?  Seriously?  Not in my neighborhood.  That is just pure - D- Evil!, IMO

I agree Jennifer


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 10:53:17 PM
October 28th, 2009Mourners wore pink and released balloons Wednesday to honor a slain 9-year-old from Missouri who was remembered at her funeral as a "precious little girl" who liked horses and music.

http://www.kmov.com/video/lateststories-index.html?nvid=410322

[bNORTHERN ROSE, [/b] I see you are still up and still posting. I hope you are feeling somewhat better. I have completely lost my voice this evening, so I thank God I have my computer. I know this case has touched you very much and it is really personal for you. I feel it too. I hope you and your daughter will be better tomorrow. I cannot stay awake anymore. So off I go tonight, and I hope and pray that tomorrow will be  better. I wish we were not so far apart. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-sleepy-bedtime-good-night.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 28, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
Well it didn't take long for someone to put her name out there..... ::MonkeyShocked::

Her name has been "out there" for several days. Just not here.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

It should be painted on every building in Jefferson City, in my estimation. But I am not the one in charge, so I just abide by the rules.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Skyler on October 28, 2009, 10:58:18 PM
Hi everyone.  A couple of comments were made about the suspect's name beng "out there" now.  Where?  I  have been trying to find out for days now.  I cannot believe they are doing such a good job of concealing this since it's my understanding that the whole city of Jefferson City knows it.  I lived at St. Martins many years ago but am currentlyy out of the country.

Could someone please shed some light as to where I can find the name?  You can Email me if you like (ETDotComET@aol.com).  And I thank you.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 28, 2009, 11:03:51 PM
Well it didn't take long for someone to put her name out there..... ::MonkeyShocked::

Her name has been "out there" for several days. Just not here.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

It should be painted on every building in Jefferson City, in my estimation. But I am not the one in charge, so I just abide by the rules.

I did not know it was out there i figured it out thru monkey clues  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
Hi everyone.  A couple of comments were made about the suspect's name beng "out there" now.  Where?  I  have been trying to find out for days now.  I cannot believe they are doing such a good job of concealing this since it's my understanding that the whole city of Jefferson City knows it.  I lived at St. Martins many years ago but am currentlyy out of the country.

Could someone please shed some light as to where I can find the name?  You can Email me if you like (ETDotComET@aol.com).  And I thank you.



Welcome Skyler - the name is posted here by someone with the nickname Shawneerain1

http://news.aol.com/article/15-year-old-girl-held-in-slaying-of/734317


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 28, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
Hi everyone.  A couple of comments were made about the suspect's name beng "out there" now.  Where?  I  have been trying to find out for days now.  I cannot believe they are doing such a good job of concealing this since it's my understanding that the whole city of Jefferson City knows it.  I lived at St. Martins many years ago but am currentlyy out of the country.

Could someone please shed some light as to where I can find the name?  You can Email me if you like (ETDotComET@aol.com).  And I thank you.


youve got mail


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: janetruth on October 28, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
This just makes me so very sad.  My niece is her age and she adores the "older" girls and would probably follow them anywhere, if not scared off.  This could happen to any little child.  This absolutely just breaks my heart.  I dont give a crap what this "kid" teenager or what ever you want to call her .... her monster !@$$ needs to be locked up for eternity.   Rehabilitated?  Seriously?  Not in my neighborhood.  That is just pure - D- Evil!, IMO

When I was 9, I had a 13-year-old friend.  She taught me to dance, and we spent hours fixing up an old chicken house on her family's property, scrubbing it, furnishing it with cast-offs, and calling it our "clubhouse."  I was so lucky to have my "big sister," as I was a very lonely only child.  I have been trying to imagine how I would have felt if she had ever been mean to me, let alone attacked me!  It is a horrible thing to do to a little child!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 11:16:36 PM
Klaas, we are getting up there in pages.  Can we get a thread just for Elizabeth as well?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Walter819 on October 28, 2009, 11:21:58 PM
if anything that poster at aol says is true  she knew exactly right from wrong and she needs to be puished as an adult , no rehabilition from something like that......IMOO I do not think she acted alone I think someone else knew what she was planning or she had talked with someone , maybe about what it would feel like to take a life.....I think from reading from the locals this is going to get worse,,,,I can promise you if this was my baby she did it to , i would fight for the death penalty , with me pushing needle... Sounds Like a Thrill KILL


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
Klaas, we are getting up there in pages.  Can we get a thread just for Elizabeth as well?

Yes, I'll move her up to the high profile area, give me a few minutes.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: cookie on October 28, 2009, 11:26:36 PM
good nite monkeys...see you in the new cage...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 11:27:22 PM
Klaas, we are getting up there in pages.  Can we get a thread just for Elizabeth as well?

Yes, I'll move her up to the high profile area, give me a few minutes.

OK, going to move it now.  It will be in the high profile area right after the FLORIDA cases


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Ariana on October 28, 2009, 11:40:44 PM
Klaas, we are getting up there in pages.  Can we get a thread just for Elizabeth as well?

Yes, I'll move her up to the high profile area, give me a few minutes.

OK, going to move it now.  It will be in the high profile area right after the FLORIDA cases

Thank you Klaas! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 28, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
I started a new thread for information on the suspect.  I want to be careful and not post too much.  Even though we are almost 100% sure who it is, it is NOT verified information.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:51:20 PM
Thanks Klaas! 

Her name is posted here in the comments section as well. 

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2333070/elizabeth_olten_case_15yearold_girl.html?cat=17


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:52:49 PM
I started a new thread for information on the suspect.  I want to be careful and not post too much.  Even though we are almost 100% sure who it is, it is NOT verified information.

I have a lot of info on her and the family.  What is safe to post and what is not?  There are other minors involved here as well.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 28, 2009, 11:55:02 PM
October 28th, 2009Mourners wore pink and released balloons Wednesday to honor a slain 9-year-old from Missouri who was remembered at her funeral as a "precious little girl" who liked horses and music.

http://www.kmov.com/video/lateststories-index.html?nvid=410322

[bNORTHERN ROSE, [/b] I see you are still up and still posting. I hope you are feeling somewhat better. I have completely lost my voice this evening, so I thank God I have my computer. I know this case has touched you very much and it is really personal for you. I feel it too. I hope you and your daughter will be better tomorrow. I cannot stay awake anymore. So off I go tonight, and I hope and pray that tomorrow will be  better. I wish we were not so far apart. (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-sleepy-bedtime-good-night.gif)


Thank you Fanny ::MonkeyAngel::  I fell asleep with my laptop but the dog woke me lol.  Sorry I missed you .  Get well!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:05:37 AM
Cranky Crankerson added a new album for Elizabeth. 

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Elizabeth%20Olten/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:18:53 AM
Murt friended her twitter today.  Why does he not take his news van to Jefferson City?  At least we could get some live coverage which beats the archaic reporting coming out of there now. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 12:37:20 AM
I started a new thread for information on the suspect.  I want to be careful and not post too much.  Even though we are almost 100% sure who it is, it is NOT verified information.

I have a lot of info on her and the family.  What is safe to post and what is not?  There are other minors involved here as well.

I don't want OTHER minors pictures posted.  I'm thinking since the name is out there, links to sites pertaining to her are OK.  Don't post photos in the threads yet.

REMEMBER - it is not verified that this person is the suspect even though we are almost 100% sure.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:52:07 AM
I started a new thread for information on the suspect.  I want to be careful and not post too much.  Even though we are almost 100% sure who it is, it is NOT verified information.

I have a lot of info on her and the family.  What is safe to post and what is not?  There are other minors involved here as well.

I don't want OTHER minors pictures posted.  I'm thinking since the name is out there, links to sites pertaining to her are OK.  Don't post photos in the threads yet.

REMEMBER - it is not verified that this person is the suspect even though we are almost 100% sure.

Thanks!  and the family?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 01:15:31 AM
I started a new thread for information on the suspect.  I want to be careful and not post too much.  Even though we are almost 100% sure who it is, it is NOT verified information.

I have a lot of info on her and the family.  What is safe to post and what is not?  There are other minors involved here as well.

I don't want OTHER minors pictures posted.  I'm thinking since the name is out there, links to sites pertaining to her are OK.  Don't post photos in the threads yet.

REMEMBER - it is not verified that this person is the suspect even though we are almost 100% sure.

Thanks!  and the family?

I think we should leave the suspects family out of it for now, don't you think?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:17:12 AM
Elizabeth Olten Suspect Hearing Open to the Public
(Video as well)

COLE COUNTY - A Cole County judge ruled the certification hearing for the suspected killer of Elizabeth Olten will be open to the public.

In a closed-door meeting Wednesday, Cole County Judge John Beetem decided to open the hearing next month to determine if the suspect in Olten's death can stand trial as an adult.

By opening the November hearing, the judge will permit the general public to attend.  If the suspect is tried as an adult, the suspect's name and gender will be public information.  Authorities have asked media not to release this information about the suspect.

The suspect's attorney said Wednesday the publicity from the Olten's death will make it impossible for his client to get a fair trial.  The prosecution said the Missouri Supreme Court previously ruled this type of hearing be open because of the severity of the crime.

Beetem also held a closed detention hearing and decided to continue holding the juvenile suspect in custody.

The family of the nine-year-old said their final goodbyes Wednesday at a private service.

http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/ba8a4513-c0a8-2f11-0063-9bd94c70b769/9dbf880d-80ce-0971-01cd-4b2a055667b1


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:18:44 AM
I started a new thread for information on the suspect.  I want to be careful and not post too much.  Even though we are almost 100% sure who it is, it is NOT verified information.

I have a lot of info on her and the family.  What is safe to post and what is not?  There are other minors involved here as well.

I don't want OTHER minors pictures posted.  I'm thinking since the name is out there, links to sites pertaining to her are OK.  Don't post photos in the threads yet.

REMEMBER - it is not verified that this person is the suspect even though we are almost 100% sure.

Thanks!  and the family?

I think we should leave the suspects family out of it for now, don't you think?

Absolutely which is why I asked.  Want to make sure we (me) don't jump the gun.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 01:28:10 AM
A good rule of thumb is if you have to think about if it's OK, it's probably not OK at this time.   ::MonkeyCool::  I'll be calling it a night soon.  Have a good nite all. 





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: CarolynV on October 29, 2009, 01:31:11 AM
Hello all.

I have a question.  I live near Detroit and about ten years ago, an 11 yr old shot and killed a man.  He was the youngest person ever charged with murder I believe, there were pics everywhere of him and his chubby little cheeks and tears running down his face, and his name was out there.  Are the laws different here?  Have they changed?  I am just curious because this story was everywhere right away, it was a big deal when he went in and when he got out.  He was not rehabilitated and was sent back to jail for violating parole, after he was released at 21.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:43:59 AM
A good rule of thumb is if you have to think about if it's OK, it's probably not OK at this time.   ::MonkeyCool::  I'll be calling it a night soon.  Have a good nite all. 





Night Klaas. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:45:40 AM
Hello all.

I have a question.  I live near Detroit and about ten years ago, an 11 yr old shot and killed a man.  He was the youngest person ever charged with murder I believe, there were pics everywhere of him and his chubby little cheeks and tears running down his face, and his name was out there.  Are the laws different here?  Have they changed?  I am just curious because this story was everywhere right away, it was a big deal when he went in and when he got out.  He was not rehabilitated and was sent back to jail for violating parole, after he was released at 21.

I remember him.  I do not have an answer for you, wish I knew.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Tina Bee on October 29, 2009, 02:05:06 AM
I just wanted to offer my condolensces to the family. They must be having a real hard time taking all this in.

I'll assume Elizabeth trusted this 15 year old girl and IF she is the killer then God help us. What can we do to help our youth before it reaches this point?

I hope there is justice for Elizabeth and whoever her killer is that person should get the max penalty.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2009, 07:49:14 AM


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:21:52 AM
Murt friended her twitter today.  Why does he not take his news van to Jefferson City?  At least we could get some live coverage which beats the archaic reporting coming out of there now. 

I thought he was staying away from these case...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:24:31 AM
good morning, monkeys.

Although I am not one for grave services, I have to say that the sight of that horsedrawn carriage carrying beautiful Elizabeth is an amazing sight.  Very touching and apropos for such a sweet, innocent child.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:25:36 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 29, 2009, 09:48:14 AM
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What a beautiful carriage, RIP Elizabeth.   As far as the suspect goes, I frankly don't care where they lock her up at, but wherever they lock her up at throw the key away. I don't buy nor go along with rehabilitation, rehabilitation may work for somethings, it don't work for cold blooded murderers, I will never believe that. These so called therapists that think they can rehabilitate people like this, really need a new line of work, I think they are crazier sometimes then their patients, all my opinion, and I will never change my opinion on this.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: janetruth on October 29, 2009, 10:02:39 AM
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What a beautiful carriage, RIP Elizabeth.   As far as the suspect goes, I frankly don't care where they lock her up at, but wherever they lock her up at throw the key away. I don't buy nor go along with rehabilitation, rehabilitation may work for somethings, it don't work for cold blooded murderers, I will never believe that. These so called therapists that think they can rehabilitate people like this, really need a new line of work, I think they are crazier sometimes then their patients, all my opinion, and I will never change my opinion on this.

I think the juvenile system was set up for crimes such as shoplifting, where they didn't want to throw kids (as fresh meat, as it were) into adult prisons.  I think a kid busted for shoplifting can benefit from counselling to point out ways to stop making poor choices, etc.  However, cold-blooded murder is beyond the scope of such facilities, and most people recognize that, which is why there is the option for kids to be tried as adults when accused of horrific crimes.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:11:43 AM


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:24:10 AM
Jefferson City school district calls in grief counselors

JEFFERSON CITY -- It has been an especially difficult week for Jefferson City students.

Elizabeth Olten was a student at Pioneer Trails Elementary and the 15-year-old suspect is a student at Jefferson City high school.

Tragically, this week students also learned of the apparent suicide of high school teacher Bill Currie.

The district called in extra counselors this week. Local mental health experts say it's important to recognize the signs your child is having difficulty dealing with the recent news. They emphasize that comments about self-harm and suicide should be taken seriously.

"Just notice if there's any changes in the child's mood, any changes in behavior, things like that in the short run,” said St. Mary’s psychologist Dr. Joseph McCormick.

Last night, a remembrance service was held for Currie.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369335


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
Neighbors say Elizabeth’s friends’ home was searched – is there a connection to the killer?

We’re learning more about the 15 year old suspect, who is reportedly a girl, accused of killing 9 year old Elizabeth Olten. KMIZ is reporting that the home searched shortly after the body was found is the same home where the teen suspect lives. Yesterday we learned from neighbors that police searched the home of Elizabeth’s friend she was last seen playing with. So what’s the connection? Police won’t say, but some reports, including one from Good Morning America and ABC news, suggest that the teen suspect is actually the big sister of Elizabeth’s friend.

Cops will not reveal how Elizabeth was killed, but are seeking first degree murder charges against the teen. A hearing was held this morning where a juvenile court judge was scheduled to hear arguments as to why the teen suspect should be allowed to go home until the next hearing in the case in November.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:47:36 AM
Nancy Grace now has a Blog http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
Please leave comments on each of the cases so they stay in the headlines.  For Elizabeth's case there are some locals that are doing there best not to have her story remain in the news, the local media is not covering any developments in the  case live and are taking up to 24 hours to update their sites with news.  If we stay on Nancy maybe the local media will actually do some investigative reporting on all the cases.  Regardless of what you think of Nancy she does keep cases on a National level if there is interest and all these children deserve not to be forgotten until Justice is served.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:54:14 AM
Here is the link to Nancy's blog on the story about Elizabeth from last night.  Please leave a comment so we can keep Elizabeth in the news.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/#comments


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 11:05:11 AM
Olten Funeral Attracts Hundreds
Some people who attended didn't even know Elizabeth or Olten familyPosted by Brynn

More than 300 people went to Elizabeth Olten's funeral Wednesday.

And a majority of them followed the procession into the cemetery for her burial, just six days after Elizabeth's body was found in the woods behind her St. Martin's home.

Dozens who went to the funeral and cemetery told ABC 17 News they didn't even know Elizabeth or the Olten family, but were compelled to be there.
 
They lined up along the entrance of the Hawthorn Memorial Gardens cemetery, holding pink balloons.

" I didn't feel comfortable going to the visitation or funeral, but I did feel comfortable standing on the side of the road and letting them see how much we cared about them," says Carrie Peter, a Jefferson City resident.

Yesterday, Peter posted a message on Facebook trying to rally others in the community to come out and show their support.

Those unfamiliar faces, along with family and friends were there when Elizabeth's body was brought to her final resting place by horse drawn carriage.

It was an emotional setting as roughly 200 people circled around her pink casket.

Elizabeth's favorite singer, Miley Cyrus played in the background and those pink balloons were released in the air.

"I wanted to remember Elizabeth as the sweet girl she is and help the family. No family should have to go through this alone, said Reverand Monte Shinkle from the Concord Baptist Church who officiated the service.

And now that Elizabeth lays in peace, attention turns back toward the investigation and the shock that surrounds this tight community.

"Noone could believe this affected someone so close to us. We didn't think this could happen in our backyard," says Peter.

The sheriff's department is not releasing more information on the case, instead letting legal proceedings run their course.

But that hasn't stopped the rumor mill from turning, fueling shock and speculation about the murder details and the suspect in custody.

"At first we thought this was a guy, then when we heard this was a teen, we thought it was a boy.  Then when we found out it was a girl and that she knew Elizabeth, it's even more shocking," added Peters.

ABC 17 News asked Reverend Shinkle if the suspects family has contacted the victim's family and he said he didn't know.
 
http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=15339&author=Brynn%20Gingras&category=Crime&franchise=&county=Cole&city=68&partner=


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:10:35 AM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

My two cents about the suspect's family, but I think they are part of the reason we are getting so little information, and I would really like to know why. In order to ever be able to unravel the dynamics of this area and why they are all being so secretive, I think it is important.

It is not that I don't feel for them, I do. And especially for the other siblings. This is not the first time a person has murdered someone or done something really horrible, and I don't understand why these particular people are the exception to the rule. And why there is such a blockage of local media. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 11:19:07 AM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

My two cents about the suspect's family, but I think they are part of the reason we are getting so little information, and I would really like to know why. In order to ever be able to unravel the dynamics of this area and why they are all being so secretive, I think it is important.

It is not that I don't feel for them, I do. And especially for the other siblings. This is not the first time a person has murdered someone or done something really horrible, and I don't understand why these particular people are the exception to the rule. And why there is such a blockage of local media. JMO

I agree.  I also think that the powers that be do not wish to acknowledge that something like this could happen  in their back yard nor do they want anyone else to know.  Goodness knows if people start focusing on the area what else might boil to the top that everyone has been ignoring?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: janetruth on October 29, 2009, 11:29:17 AM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

My two cents about the suspect's family, but I think they are part of the reason we are getting so little information, and I would really like to know why. In order to ever be able to unravel the dynamics of this area and why they are all being so secretive, I think it is important.

It is not that I don't feel for them, I do. And especially for the other siblings. This is not the first time a person has murdered someone or done something really horrible, and I don't understand why these particular people are the exception to the rule. And why there is such a blockage of local media. JMO

I agree.  I think a hornet's nest is being stirred up

I agree.  I also think that the powers that be do not wish to acknowledge that something like this could happen  in their back yard nor do they want anyone else to know.  Goodness knows if people start focusing on the area what else might boil to the top that everyone has been ignoring?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Searching on October 29, 2009, 11:36:05 AM
So it appears that someone has tired of the secrecy surrounding this teen aged umm accused person  ::MonkeyCool:: and posted her name in two separate areas on message boards. I read both and the exact same things was posted but using different names. I am left wondering if it is really a local or just someone fed up with the silence and protective shield that has been placed around this perp. Either way, the name is out and it really does not change anything. Little Elizabeth is still dead and we are still searching for answers to why and trying to understand. I have to wonder what the bigger secret is that town is hiding because her name being out has not changed anything so far as I can see. There has to be something else,something bigger IMO. anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried. The haste to keep whatever it is buried reminds me of a neurotic cat I had once, if even one little speck of it's mess was showing, it would frantically kick the litter over it to cover it, sometimes, the cat would take 2 minutes to do her deed but an hour or more to make sure it was all covered up. I think someone is trying to take away a bit of the litter from the big guys there and see what  else can be uncovered. Just like with any litter box, they may not be very happy with what comes to the surface. I think this may end up being a bigger mess for that town and it's officials then what they want the world to see of them.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 11:44:07 AM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Gaurdianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: ScareyCarrie on October 29, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Gaurdianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 

I dont get this?? why the anger? yea it sucks, it happened and normally it happens somewhere else, this time it happened in your town, its more of a wake up call to me than anything, shouldnt be hiding it, but embrassing the fact that it can happen anywhere anytime, and what can we learn to be more aware or prepared to not let it happen again or in our towns....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Searching on October 29, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Gaurdianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 

Yes, I noticed the attitude of JME,glad I was enjoying family time and read back the next day because I would have gotten the big red button on JME.
Would the town folk be so willing to cover up an issue with the school system? I would think it would be the opposite, that they would want the dirty little secrets to come out, well unless there has been some errr inappropriate umm behavior by teachers in the school that parents were paid to just shut up about?? NOT saying that is the case,but would explain a lot of behaviors and actions since Elizabeth was killed.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 11:52:58 AM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:58:55 AM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Gaurdianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 

I dont get this?? why the anger? yea it sucks, it happened and normally it happens somewhere else, this time it happened in your town, its more of a wake up call to me than anything, shouldnt be hiding it, but embrassing the fact that it can happen anywhere anytime, and what can we learn to be more aware or prepared to not let it happen again or in our towns....

Nobody likes it when your own town is "out there." I saw a story on the national news last night about my former home town, a town where I grew up. And I cringed when I saw it. It too was a sordid tale. However bad things happen everyday, and I just can't remember such a complete blockage of any facts. The LE served a warrant at the perps house the night Elizabeth was found, and want us now to believe they were serving a warrant on a TRAFFIC STOP! Since when do they serve warrants on a traffic stop. Come on!?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 29, 2009, 12:00:32 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.

Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I agree, Northern Rose. It's a stark contrast to the town reaction in Somer's case isn't it? Something is weird here.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:02:12 PM
Found bio dad and he is still receiving 3 hots and a cot courtesy of  3 concurrent sentences (7yrs, 7yrs, 10yrs). 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:06:25 PM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Guardianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 

Yes, I noticed the attitude of JME,glad I was enjoying family time and read back the next day because I would have gotten the big red button on JME.
Would the town folk be so willing to cover up an issue with the school system? I would think it would be the opposite, that they would want the dirty little secrets to come out, well unless there has been some errr inappropriate umm behavior by teachers in the school that parents were paid to just shut up about?? NOT saying that is the case,but would explain a lot of behaviors and actions since Elizabeth was killed.

From what I could find about the school district is that they had a shake up and change of guards in the last year.  They are thinking of implementing drug dogs and have spent over 1million on a new football field all in the last year.  GO TEAM!  Maybe if Elizabeth was a football player killed they would have a different attitude?  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.

Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I agree, Northern Rose. It's a stark contrast to the town reaction in Somer's case isn't it? Something is weird here.

That is an understatement.  The St. Louis news station has better and more timely reporting than the Jefferson City station.  In fact one of the stations has streaming capabilities yet has never used it to report on this case.  You get the lovely view of rain , traffic or leaves falling.  They had nothing on their site whatsoever about the funeral which took place yesterday till this morning.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 12:19:38 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.

Exactly, NorthernRose!  And for me, a confirmation that we DO have the correct identity for this 15 yr old girl.. suspect.  Otherwise, why else scrub those public records so clean?  Many of us saw what was on those records, before they vanished.  And I kind of doubt that all public records for everyone in Jeff City were scrubbed.  The doing of that just tells me that this is the girl, that is her family.  It will be interesting to watch the rest of this play out.  IMO. 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:26:53 PM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Gaurdianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 

I dont get this?? why the anger? yea it sucks, it happened and normally it happens somewhere else, this time it happened in your town, its more of a wake up call to me than anything, shouldn't be hiding it, but embrassing the fact that it can happen anywhere anytime, and what can we learn to be more aware or prepared to not let it happen again or in our towns....

WE need to learn from this so that the signs can be detected , if there were any, to stop the next child on child murder.  What really has me scratching my head is a statement from yesterday that (paraphrased) If the details of this case came out it would harm the public.  I would expect a statement like this to come from a sensorship and controlling body such as what has taken place in Communist rules not in the US.

No offense to anyone in Missouri but you get harmed by information, finding the truth, and learning from it? as one of the authorites speaking sure thinks you do and are protecting you.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 12:29:21 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.

Exactly, NorthernRose!  And for me, a confirmation that we DO have the correct identity for this 15 yr old girl.. suspect.  Otherwise, why else scrub those public records so clean?  Many of us saw what was on those records, before they vanished.  And I kind of doubt that all public records for everyone in Jeff City were scrubbed.  The doing of that just tells me that this is the girl, that is her family.  It will be interesting to watch the rest of this play out.  IMO. 



I think they are going to make this whole thing so private and secretive the whole time. And that only peaks my interest as to why. We are going to have to dig like he77 to get any cursory details. It only shines the spotlight on them brighter. There has to be something way deeper going on. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 12:32:05 PM
anyone know why the children were in foster care? any word on the foster home? was it a good home? any complaints?  Something is being buried.

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Grandma filed for Gaurdianship and the kids were with her.  Both mother and bio dad have many court records which would indicate addiction may have been a issue.  Bio mom was in court this month yet again and received 2 years probation.  I will have to check if bio dad is still in jail as I am not sure.  Last address on court records for bio mom indicates she is still in Missouri but in a different county.  FYI there were two guardianship hearings as bio mom had another child by a different baby daddy and Grandma had to ask the courts to run a newspaper ad to notify the parents that she was seeking guardianship.

The biggest red flags for me right now is the school district only stating that it did not happen on their watch or their property so all is good.  There has been no indication that counselling has been offered other than for the Teacher who died, no condolences to the family's, just a statement that basically says "not our fault".  Then you have the locals on the boards and coming here saying the body was found, its over, move on and being VERY angry about the national coverage. 

I dont get this?? why the anger? yea it sucks, it happened and normally it happens somewhere else, this time it happened in your town, its more of a wake up call to me than anything, shouldn't be hiding it, but embrassing the fact that it can happen anywhere anytime, and what can we learn to be more aware or prepared to not let it happen again or in our towns....

WE need to learn from this so that the signs can be detected , if there were any, to stop the next child on child murder.  What really has me scratching my head is a statement from yesterday that (paraphrased) If the details of this case came out it would harm the public.  I would expect a statement like this to come from a sensorship and controlling body such as what has taken place in Communist rules not in the US.

No offense to anyone in Missouri but you get harmed by information, finding the truth, and learning from it? as one of the authorites speaking sure thinks you do and are protecting you.

I am afraid it is the sign of the political times in our country. That statement makes no sense to any thinking person, in Missouri or elsewhere. JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
I am wondering if it is even legal in Missouri to scrub those official records like that.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:35:20 PM
I am wondering if it is even legal in Missouri to scrub those official records like that.  ::MonkeyCool::

I would suspect they are not obligated to have the full records on line, but would be obligated to anyone walking in requesting the information to provide a copy.  JMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:44:58 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 12:46:49 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE

Three guesses who waitingontheend is.  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:47:12 PM
O/T  Another missing girl from Missouri

Police searching for missing Independence teen

INDEPENDENCE, Mo. (AP) -- Independence police are looking for a 16-year-old girl who has not been seen since Wednesday morning.

An Amber Alert has been issued for Makenzie R. Green, who was last seen dropping a friend off at school in Grain Valley at 7:30 a.m. Wednesday.

Her car was later found in an Independence parking lot, with her cell phone, purse and other belongings inside.

Police says Green recently broke up with her boyfriend an is believed to be with him. Police say the ex-boyfriend had made threats against Green and her family.

She is described as white, 5-foot-4, 120 pounds. She was last seen wearing a blue Eagles sweatshirt and black Under Armour sweatpants.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369361


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:48:39 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE

Three guesses who waitingontheend is.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

A CLUE from yesterday to help JustME ?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 29, 2009, 12:51:28 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.
I don't get that, where in CA is the father in prison, what city, if you know Northern, thanks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:52:38 PM
Has anyone posted comments on NG's blog for Elizabeth? 
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/#comments

My 3 comments from hours ago are still awaiting moderation.  Just curious if anyone else is getting the same message.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 12:56:37 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.
I don't get that, where in CA is the father in prison, what city, if you know Northern, thanks.

He is in MO not CA.  The facility is by Pacific MO and is a medium security facility.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 29, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
I just went onto Case net to see whether bio dad should still be in custody and low and behold all but one of his cases have vanished.  The lone case that is still up there has all the info deleted about parties, attorneys and only has charges and docket entry left .  It was a case for 3rd degree assault.  I am amazed how all these public records have been vanishing and cleansed in the last 6 days. 

IMO one more indication that something stinks in Jefferson City.
I don't get that, where in CA is the father in prison, what city, if you know Northern, thanks.

He is in MO not CA.  The facility is by Pacific MO and is a medium security facility.
Thank-you, I thought he was in prison here  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:04:27 PM
I jsut did a drive by on the Jefferson City public School district site and the kids have no school tomorrow. 

FYI note the front page of the site is dominated by:

Lady Jays Win Softball State Championship!!

The Lady Jays defeated Oakville 2-1 in Saturday's title game in St. Joseph.  More on this story to come.  Girls to be honored at November Board Meeting.  Congratulations!

There is a link under Hot Topics about Elizabeth which leads you to  the district statement and locations of counseling services. 

There is nothing mentioned about the passing of the teacher until you scroll down on the page and is the 5th bullet. 

I say again GO TEAM!



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 29, 2009, 01:23:05 PM
I am wondering if it is even legal in Missouri to scrub those official records like that.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hmmmm......Kinda reminds me of the Christine Sheddy case  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:24:06 PM
I am wondering if it is even legal in Missouri to scrub those official records like that.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hmmmm......Kinda reminds me of the Christine Sheddy case  ::MonkeyEek::

Sure does! 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Has anyone posted comments on NG's blog for Elizabeth? 
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/#comments

My 3 comments from hours ago are still awaiting moderation.  Just curious if anyone else is getting the same message.

I see mine waiting moderation, I don't see the other two. There is one posted.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
Elizabeth Olten Murder Suspect Hearing to be Open to Public

Atlanta, GA 10/29/2009

A Cole County judge ruled that the next hearing for the murder suspect in Elizabeth Olten’s death will be open to the public. The November hearing will determine whether the 15-year-old female suspect charged with first degree murder will be tried as an adult.

If the teen is tried as an adult, her name will be released to the public. An attorney for the suspect argued at Wednesday’s hearing that publicity from Olten’s death will make it impossible for his client to have a fair trial.

The judge also ruled that the suspect will remain in police custody until her trial.

Olten, 9, disappeared October 21 while walking home from a friend’s house in her St. Martin, Missouri neighborhood. Investigators say “written evidence” lead them to the suspect, who led police to Olten’s body in the woods on October 23.

A funeral and burial for Olten was held yesterday.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=134367&cat=14


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE

I meant to say when you posted this, fine! They don't want us to blog about it. That just makes me want to dig deeper.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 29, 2009, 01:35:49 PM
Very much shades of the Christine Sheddy case.  I mentioned that to "JME" the other night when he/she was wanting to know why people "needed" to know what was going on that were not from there.  Christine's case is a shinning example of why, IMO.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
i dont mind..
Posted by h f, hs, mo - Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 12:04 a.m.
 
let her out, she will prolly kill herself or someone will go vigilante and kill her (im not suggesting it) but it wouldnt bother me. save the thousands of tax dollars it would cost us taxpayers over the years and just get it over with.. and Elizabeths death was not quick and painless sadly.. wait til they release it..its brutal. its sad. its disgusting.
 
Elizabeth Olten
Posted by Marie Tee, Mexico - Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 11:23 p.m.
 
You have got to be kidding-let her out? No way. Who is this 15 year old girl? How can she have that kind of pull. Elizabeth's father & brother could not even get out of lock up to attend their daughter/sister's funeral and they never murdered anyone. They didn't even get a chance to tell their precious baby goodbye....How fair are the laws?
 

We Deserve to know!
Posted by Marie , Jefferson City - Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
 
I am a student at Jeff City. We the community should have the right to know who this person is Boy or girl? What if the close friends of this person want to do the same thing? Do we know her/his friends? Im glad this person is not released and i hope and pray that she has a heart and feels bad about what she has done! Poor Elizabeth, she had a whole life ahead of her and now its gone! May you rest in peace Elizabeth!
 
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=368523


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:42:28 PM
October 29, 2009
9-year-old played with teen girl murder suspect prior to death (Video)

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/29/9-year-old-played-with-teen-girl-murder-suspect-prior-to-death/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 01:43:26 PM
Has anyone posted comments on NG's blog for Elizabeth? 
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/#comments

My 3 comments from hours ago are still awaiting moderation.  Just curious if anyone else is getting the same message.

I posted but it's still awaiting moderation as well.  They may not have someone dedicated to watching the blog and may only process occasionally throughout the day.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:52:08 PM
Has anyone posted comments on NG's blog for Elizabeth? 
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/#comments

My 3 comments from hours ago are still awaiting moderation.  Just curious if anyone else is getting the same message.

I posted but it's still awaiting moderation as well.  They may not have someone dedicated to watching the blog and may only process occasionally throughout the day.

Or Nancy is busy with the Twins   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: KCJackie on October 29, 2009, 01:54:10 PM
O/T  Another missing girl from Missouri

Police searching for missing Independence teen

INDEPENDENCE, Mo. (AP) -- Independence police are looking for a 16-year-old girl who has not been seen since Wednesday morning.

An Amber Alert has been issued for Makenzie R. Green, who was last seen dropping a friend off at school in Grain Valley at 7:30 a.m. Wednesday.

Her car was later found in an Independence parking lot, with her cell phone, purse and other belongings inside.

Police says Green recently broke up with her boyfriend an is believed to be with him. Police say the ex-boyfriend had made threats against Green and her family.

She is described as white, 5-foot-4, 120 pounds. She was last seen wearing a blue Eagles sweatshirt and black Under Armour sweatpants.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369361



::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

INDEPENDENCE, MO - A missing metro teen was found in St. Joseph on Thursday morning, after police issued an Amber Alert when she was last seen dropping a friend off at school on Wednesday morning. Her car was found hours later in a parking lot in Independence, Mo., with her cell phone, purse and belongings still inside.

"You can't put words, there is no word I can use, that would explain the joy," said Gary Green, father, relieved his daughter was found safe.

St. Joseph police said that Makenzie R. Green, 16, was found with a juvenile male at 5:35 a.m. on Thursday.

"We were operating under the circumstances that we were looking for someone that probably wasn't willingly with someone else," said Ken Bergman, Independence police detective.

Police said that a 911 call directed them to the 500 block of Thompson Avenue in St. Joseph. The caller said Green may be at that location and when officers arrived, Green came out of the house.

According to police, Green recently ended a relationship with her boyfriend and was believed to be with him, but police did not say if that was who she was found with. Police said that Green made statements indicating she was taken against her will. Authorities said her boyfriend recently made harmful threats toward her.

"Her belongings were still in the car including her cell phone," Sgt. Dennis Green with Independence Police said. "There was a message on it for her dad to find her and she was scared and wanted her dad to find her. He then notified the police department and we began our search at that point."

Police said Green and the male were both found in the home on the south side of St. Joseph by Independence police and are being questioned.

Independence police spent the evening searching Blue Springs, Oak Grove, Independence and St. Joseph before Green was located.

"I want to thank God, the power of prayer and the Independence police department is what made this a happy ending," said Gary Green.

Police said they are still investigating the message on Green's cell phone, trying to determine if she was taken against or will or if she went to St. Joseph willingly.

Kansas City police are the ones who canceled the Amber Alert, and told FOX 4 that police had found Curtis Hagey with Green. He's the same man friends said was Green's ex-boyfriend, and the same teen who family members told police had threatened, not only Green in the past, but also them.

When asked about those threats, the family declined to comment. And Independence police still will not confirm the name of the young man Green was found with in St. Joseph


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:57:27 PM
   October 27th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

FROM A SOURCE CLOSE TO THE CASE. ELIZABETH OLTEN WAS LED TO THE WOODS BY THE 15 YEAR OLD SUSPECT AND STRANGLED TO DEATH BECAUSE SHE "WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO KILL SOMEONE". THE SUSPECT WAS ON DRUGS AND STATED SHE BURIED HER IN THE WOODS. THE REASON THEY COULDN'T FIND ELIZABETH SOONER IS THE CELL PHONE BATTERY DIED FROM EVERYONE CALLING IT. ALSO, IT HAD RAINED OVER 3 INCHES AND COVERED THE GRAVE SITE.
 

October 28th, 2009 1:07 am ET

Nancy,

This is the most horrific case I've ever seen.

The perp had a grave dug for Elizabeth.
The death was slow.
There was strangulation and stabbing involved.
The body was mutilated.
Elizabeth was dead by the time the mom called 911 at 7:00PM

Perp's parents completely dysfunctional....dad in prison...mom in/out of jail...grandparents had custody of perp....perp has three younger siblings...

Perp had history....local schools ignored signs....
UGLYUGLYUGLY crime...Thrill KILL. with hyper violence.
Local schools are a mess...violence has been an issue for years.

Elizabeth's father and older brother are in prison. They are dirtbag criminals....but nothing to do with this crime.

It's an awful awful thing.
God help us all.


October 28th, 2009 11:47 am ET

Hi Nancy,

I just found the below "exerpt" from Truecrimereport.com. It is from the cousin of the 15 year old girl that murdered Elizabeth Olten. Just wanted to share. Thanks, Susan

cousin of the 15yr old said:
IM THE COUSIN OF THE 15YR OLD GIRL SHE HAS A LOT OF MENTAL ISSUES &HAS BEEN THREW ALOT AS A YOUNG CHILD HER SELF I DO NOT WANT THE DEATH PENALTY 4MY COUSIN I DO THINK SHE DOES NEED 2B N A MENTAL WARD PLACE ON MEDICATION... I AM PRAYING 4THE ELIZBETH FAMILY &THEIR IS NO EXCUSE WHY THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPEND 2HER.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/27/breaking-developments-in-elizabeth-olten-case/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 01:58:32 PM
O/T  Another missing girl from Missouri

Police searching for missing Independence teen

INDEPENDENCE, Mo. (AP) -- Independence police are looking for a 16-year-old girl who has not been seen since Wednesday morning.

An Amber Alert has been issued for Makenzie R. Green, who was last seen dropping a friend off at school in Grain Valley at 7:30 a.m. Wednesday.

Her car was later found in an Independence parking lot, with her cell phone, purse and other belongings inside.

Police says Green recently broke up with her boyfriend an is believed to be with him. Police say the ex-boyfriend had made threats against Green and her family.

She is described as white, 5-foot-4, 120 pounds. She was last seen wearing a blue Eagles sweatshirt and black Under Armour sweatpants.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=369361



::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

INDEPENDENCE, MO - A missing metro teen was found in St. Joseph on Thursday morning, after police issued an Amber Alert when she was last seen dropping a friend off at school on Wednesday morning. Her car was found hours later in a parking lot in Independence, Mo., with her cell phone, purse and belongings still inside.

"You can't put words, there is no word I can use, that would explain the joy," said Gary Green, father, relieved his daughter was found safe.

St. Joseph police said that Makenzie R. Green, 16, was found with a juvenile male at 5:35 a.m. on Thursday.

"We were operating under the circumstances that we were looking for someone that probably wasn't willingly with someone else," said Ken Bergman, Independence police detective.

Police said that a 911 call directed them to the 500 block of Thompson Avenue in St. Joseph. The caller said Green may be at that location and when officers arrived, Green came out of the house.

According to police, Green recently ended a relationship with her boyfriend and was believed to be with him, but police did not say if that was who she was found with. Police said that Green made statements indicating she was taken against her will. Authorities said her boyfriend recently made harmful threats toward her.

"Her belongings were still in the car including her cell phone," Sgt. Dennis Green with Independence Police said. "There was a message on it for her dad to find her and she was scared and wanted her dad to find her. He then notified the police department and we began our search at that point."

Police said Green and the male were both found in the home on the south side of St. Joseph by Independence police and are being questioned.

Independence police spent the evening searching Blue Springs, Oak Grove, Independence and St. Joseph before Green was located.

"I want to thank God, the power of prayer and the Independence police department is what made this a happy ending," said Gary Green.

Police said they are still investigating the message on Green's cell phone, trying to determine if she was taken against or will or if she went to St. Joseph willingly.

Kansas City police are the ones who canceled the Amber Alert, and told FOX 4 that police had found Curtis Hagey with Green. He's the same man friends said was Green's ex-boyfriend, and the same teen who family members told police had threatened, not only Green in the past, but also them.

When asked about those threats, the family declined to comment. And Independence police still will not confirm the name of the young man Green was found with in St. Joseph

TY KCJackie   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: KCJackie on October 29, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 29, 2009, 02:16:19 PM
 Thanks for the updates, and comments. I'm going to refrain from commenting on the mentally ill aspect of the teen, whether she is or isn't, whether she was on drugs or wasn't, whether she had a bad upbringing or not. This will all play into it, and she will not get the proper punishment, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Macs_Girl on October 29, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
  
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I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::
[/quote]

I've been lurking for a few days.  My first post so "hi all".  Being from the "area" I must admit that JC is quite the cesspool.  Notorious for hiding stuff from the public, making things disappear, high profile citizens protected, etc.  Keeping information about this case is nothing new to us.  As all of us know...."Jefferson City is a GREAT place to raise a family".  It sickens me to say that I'm from the area, believe me.  I do know that law enforcement has to walk the fine line between the political mantra and the law.  I don't envy any of them.

I'll keep lurking....nice to meet everyone. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 02:24:26 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 02:27:58 PM
 

I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::
[/quote]

I've been lurking for a few days.  My first post so "hi all".  Being from the "area" I must admit that JC is quite the cesspool.  Notorious for hiding stuff from the public, making things disappear, high profile citizens protected, etc.  Keeping information about this case is nothing new to us.  As all of us know...."Jefferson City is a GREAT place to raise a family".  It sickens me to say that I'm from the area, believe me.  I do know that law enforcement has to walk the fine line between the political mantra and the law.  I don't envy any of them.

I'll keep lurking....nice to meet everyone. 
[/quote]

 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME Macs Girl  ::cartwheel::

What is your opinion on if the grandparents were prominent or influential?  What is up with the High School deflecting?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 02:29:21 PM
 

I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::
[/quote]

I've been lurking for a few days.  My first post so "hi all".  Being from the "area" I must admit that JC is quite the cesspool.  Notorious for hiding stuff from the public, making things disappear, high profile citizens protected, etc.  Keeping information about this case is nothing new to us.  As all of us know...."Jefferson City is a GREAT place to raise a family".  It sickens me to say that I'm from the area, believe me.  I do know that law enforcement has to walk the fine line between the political mantra and the law.  I don't envy any of them.

I'll keep lurking....nice to meet everyone. 
[/quote]

Nice to meet you too MACS_GIRL. WELCOME! And don't lurk.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
Nice to meet you Macs_Girl - no need to lurk  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 02:32:14 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   


I think she gave all the out of date ones to CBB.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on October 29, 2009, 02:51:01 PM
 

I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::
[/quote]

I've been lurking for a few days.  My first post so "hi all".  Being from the "area" I must admit that JC is quite the cesspool.  Notorious for hiding stuff from the public, making things disappear, high profile citizens protected, etc.  Keeping information about this case is nothing new to us.  As all of us know...."Jefferson City is a GREAT place to raise a family".  It sickens me to say that I'm from the area, believe me.  I do know that law enforcement has to walk the fine line between the political mantra and the law.  I don't envy any of them.

I'll keep lurking....nice to meet everyone. 
[/quote] WELCOME and thanks for that info.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 03:11:23 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   


I think she gave all the out of date ones to CBB.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

MMs have an expiration date?   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::   Who knew??   They don't last long enough at my house to worry about that.  heh....

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Jennifer34 on October 29, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
I was thinking the same thing about the M&M's ::MonkeyLaugh::

Welcome MG!  I was wondering also, what are the grandparents like?  I dont envy anyone in their shoes or the other siblings for that matter.  I was wondering the same thing N.Rose said about whether they were prominent or influential.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found)
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 03:21:45 PM
 

I have just sat here with my mouth open trying to figure out what his rationale is for keeping the public safe from information??? What kind of double speak is this???  ::MonkeyShocked::
[/quote]

I've been lurking for a few days.  My first post so "hi all".  Being from the "area" I must admit that JC is quite the cesspool.  Notorious for hiding stuff from the public, making things disappear, high profile citizens protected, etc.  Keeping information about this case is nothing new to us.  As all of us know...."Jefferson City is a GREAT place to raise a family".  It sickens me to say that I'm from the area, believe me.  I do know that law enforcement has to walk the fine line between the political mantra and the law.  I don't envy any of them.

I'll keep lurking....nice to meet everyone. 
[/quote]

Hi Macs. Welcome to SM. Please don't lurk. Everyone's thoughts and opinions are welcome (except for a few spammers) ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Macs_Girl on October 29, 2009, 03:24:19 PM
Thank you for the welcomes!  I appreciate the kindness.  GP's are not high profile that I'm aware of.  As far as the HS deflecting that's the norm for JC.  The "higher-ups" in JC make SURE that bad info. stays under the rug.  They want everyone to think that JC is the absolute best place to raise a family.  Shootings go unpublished in the news paper, drugs found in the prisions will very rarely be published and people who own big businesses in the community and who get into trouble well we can't let everyone know about that, so it get's swept up in a pile and thrown out.  I know of business men one of whom you see pictures of all on THIS thread who were in a heap of trouble with the law for inappropriate acts with young men.  Case went to court once and no one ever heard of it again.  This case (the EO case) is no different.  They will hide public records, make things disappear and try to handle this as secretively as possible.  It makes me sick that they are trying so hard to conceal the facts of this case.  They don't have to give out the perps name but give the details so that parents know what to look for.  DONT LET  YOUR KIDS WALK THE STREETS NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE!  St. Martins is SOOO small and SOOO tight knit I can see why that baby was walking on the street back home from her friends house.  This has rocked the entire community.  I'm so sad.....I couldn't imagine this happening to my baby.  We are such a trusting community.  It's very much a down home community where you leave your house unlocked all day and the keys in the car.  I know, I know....those of you living in the larger cities just shuddered....I felt it (hehe)
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 03:30:57 PM
Girl, 9, laid to rest as murder suspect, 15, appears in court

(CNN) -- A 9-year-old girl was laid to rest Wednesday as a 15-year-old girl, described as an acquaintance, was in court on charges she carried out the younger girl's murder

Elizabeth Olten was coming home from a friend's house last week in St. Martins, Missouri, when she disappeared.

Distraught residents searched for days for Olten without luck, when the Cole County Sheriff's Department received a tip that led them to the alleged killer.

It didn't lead them to a stranger, a child predator or a convicted sex offender -- avenues police had originally considered because of Olten's age

Instead, it led them to a 15-year-old girl who, according to Peggy Florence, a family spokeswoman, had played with Olten.

The girl then led police to the body -- which was found in an area authorities searched before, the sheriff's department said, but was hidden so well they hadn't seen it. Authorities said both physical evidence and some written evidence led to the suspect's arrest. She has been charged with first-degree murder.

On Wednesday, Olten's family looked towards closure as two drastically different scenes unfolded in Missouri.

Olten's family and friends watched as two white horses pulled her casket in a glass hearse. Hours earlier, a judge had ordered the 15-year-old suspect to be held while he decides whether she should be tried in adult court. Authorities have not released the suspect's name.

Authorities released few details about the case, though they said an autopsy was conducted Saturday.

The Olten family spent the day of Elizabeth's funeral remembering a very special little girl and mourning their loss, choosing to celebrate her life, instead of attending the court hearing of the teen accused of killing her. After the funeral ceremony, they released pink balloons, in honor of Elizabeth Olten's favorite color.

For them, it was about their little girl -- the one who was always ready with a bright smile.

"She wanted to be a mother, she wanted to love others and take care of others," family spokeswoman Florence told HLN's Nancy Grace. "She was just a lovely child -- she never met an animal she didn't love and dress up and play with."

She loved to dress up and put on fancy dresses, Florence said, even in the snow and the mud.

"She was a beautiful little girly girl," Florence said. "She had everyone's heart."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/29/missouri.olten.murder/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 03:35:52 PM
Thank you for the welcomes!  I appreciate the kindness.  GP's are not high profile that I'm aware of.  As far as the HS deflecting that's the norm for JC.  The "higher-ups" in JC make SURE that bad info. stays under the rug.  They want everyone to think that JC is the absolute best place to raise a family.  Shootings go unpublished in the news paper, drugs found in the prisions will very rarely be published and people who own big businesses in the community and who get into trouble well we can't let everyone know about that, so it get's swept up in a pile and thrown out.  I know of business men one of whom you see pictures of all on THIS thread who were in a heap of trouble with the law for inappropriate acts with young men.  Case went to court once and no one ever heard of it again.  This case (the EO case) is no different.  They will hide public records, make things disappear and try to handle this as secretively as possible.  It makes me sick that they are trying so hard to conceal the facts of this case.  They don't have to give out the perps name but give the details so that parents know what to look for.  DONT LET  YOUR KIDS WALK THE STREETS NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE!  St. Martins is SOOO small and SOOO tight knit I can see why that baby was walking on the street back home from her friends house.  This has rocked the entire community.  I'm so sad.....I couldn't imagine this happening to my baby.  We are such a trusting community.  It's very much a down home community where you leave your house unlocked all day and the keys in the car.  I know, I know....those of you living in the larger cities just shuddered....I felt it (hehe)  
Macs, I know of what you speak. My husband works for the state of MO and is in JC often. He hates to go there. The politics and bureaucracy, drive him wild. If the residents were aware of some of the things that are hidden and swept under the rug they would be shocked and pizzed!

I too live in a small community...but do not leave my doors unlocked ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
Crowd lines up to say goodbye
Even strangers felt connection.

JEFFERSON CITY — Dozens of people lined the streets yesterday, and nearly 100 vehicles made up a seemingly endless procession of mourners trailing behind the horse-drawn carriage that carried the body of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.

Onlookers released pink balloons as the two white horses pulled an antique carriage past the crowd on Horner Road and into Hawthorn Memorial Gardens for Elizabeth’s burial. Later, at the gravesite, two white doves were set free to the strains of a popular country song, “Last Dollar (Fly Away).”

Many in attendance said they didn’t personally know the St. Martins fourth-grader, but everyone seemed to have one or two degrees of separation from her.

“Jefferson City is small enough that people know people or people are related to people,” said Sandy Robinett, who along with about 30 co-workers stood somberly outside of the State Courts Administration building on Truman Boulevard. “We sent an e-mail around and just decided we wanted to come up here and show our respect.”

Elizabeth’s body was discovered Friday after an extensive search and rescue effort in a wooded area near her home on rural Route D. Elizabeth was the victim of an apparent homicide, and a 15-year-old is being held in a Cole County juvenile detention facility in connection with the crime.

Others who attended the funeral yesterday said the death of a child hit close to home. Carrie Peter tightly clutched the hand of her 7-year-old daughter, Katrina, as they waited for the funeral procession to approach. Last Thursday, Peter took part in the search and rescue effort in St. Martins, braving rain, wind and rugged terrain.

“If it were my daughter, I’d want the whole world out there,” she said. “I just kept imagining Elizabeth stepping out from behind a tree and being really cold and really scared but being OK. That’s what we were praying for.”

Peter said she debated how best to explain the tragedy to her daughter and ultimately elected to be straightforward.

“When they found the body, I had to explain to her about what happened. And she’s been to a couple funerals of family members, so I think she understands,” Peter said. “I debated about just leaving her in school today, but she wanted to be here.”

Another mourner, Jamie Kennison, said she and her 9-year-old daughter drove from Jefferson City to Kansas City Friday distributing 150 “missing person” posters to gas stations, restaurants and grocery stores along the way.

Kennison said her young daughter pushed for the flier distribution. “She actually went in there with all the posters. She didn’t want to talk about it, but she wanted to make sure we did it,” Kennison said. “She said, ‘Mommy, this is such a Christian thing we’re doing,’ and she’s 9. She’s Elizabeth’s same age, so it means a lot.”



For Lynelle Paro, the death brought back terrible memories. Earlier this year, her own daughter, a teenager, ran away from home and was missing for the night. Paro called police, who later found the girl tired and overheated, hiding in a wooded area.

“It was one of those things that kind of hit home for me,” Paro said of Elizabeth’s death.

The funeral services took place at Concord Baptist Church in Jefferson City, and the burial was donated by the Houser-Millard funeral directors.

Family members and other mourners gathered at the grave-site wore shirts and buttons in pink, Elizabeth’s favorite color. Many approached the tiny pink casket to touch it and say a small prayer. A stereo played a song by Elizabeth’s favorite artist, Miley Cyrus, as the crowd departed.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/29/crowd-lines-up-to-say-goodbye/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 03:40:57 PM
If even a small part of what I have been reading is true....Elizabeth died a horrible death and that haunts me....as I am sure it does others. But what it must do to her family ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 03:42:36 PM


http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/29/crowd-lines-up-to-say-goodbye/

NR....that picture is heartbreaking. Again, thank you for all your updates.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 03:49:16 PM


http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/29/crowd-lines-up-to-say-goodbye/

NR....that picture is heartbreaking. Again, thank you for all your updates.

YW.  It is a shame that the local media feels that voting on what costume the anchor should wear for halloween or who had the best homecoming  is more newsworthy than the life of a 9 year old that was cut far too short.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 03:50:30 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
Thank you for the welcomes!  I appreciate the kindness.  GP's are not high profile that I'm aware of.  As far as the HS deflecting that's the norm for JC.  The "higher-ups" in JC make SURE that bad info. stays under the rug.  They want everyone to think that JC is the absolute best place to raise a family.  Shootings go unpublished in the news paper, drugs found in the prisions will very rarely be published and people who own big businesses in the community and who get into trouble well we can't let everyone know about that, so it get's swept up in a pile and thrown out.  I know of business men one of whom you see pictures of all on THIS thread who were in a heap of trouble with the law for inappropriate acts with young men.  Case went to court once and no one ever heard of it again.  This case (the EO case) is no different.  They will hide public records, make things disappear and try to handle this as secretively as possible.  It makes me sick that they are trying so hard to conceal the facts of this case.  They don't have to give out the perps name but give the details so that parents know what to look for.  DONT LET  YOUR KIDS WALK THE STREETS NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE!  St. Martins is SOOO small and SOOO tight knit I can see why that baby was walking on the street back home from her friends house.  This has rocked the entire community.  I'm so sad.....I couldn't imagine this happening to my baby.  We are such a trusting community.  It's very much a down home community where you leave your house unlocked all day and the keys in the car.  I know, I know....those of you living in the larger cities just shuddered....I felt it (hehe)
 

Thank you so much for giving us some insight into JC. Are the powers that be sort of one family or related to each other? Why I asked is I used to live in a city that was pretty much run by several inter-related families, and nothing got done without their stamp of approval. They owned the banks, the industries, they were lawyers and judges and politicians. Is that how it is there? Is it just they don't want the bad publicity from a 15 yr old murderer there, or is there something else. The cat is already out of the bag, and the silence from all the officials is only making it worse. I feel really badly for the kids and teenagers especially, who are caught in the middle.

Yes, I did have an intake of breath when you said you didn't lock your doors. I live in a very peaceful, almost crime free town, but I am so paranoid by places I have been and lived over the years, I have been know to lock my car in my enclosed locked garage. That's how bad I am about locking up.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: KCJackie on October 29, 2009, 04:07:21 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   

One of my daughters friends moved to Jeff City a couple of years ago - after living here in KC.  She said it is very laid back and very countryfied. ::MonkeyCool::  I've been there a few times and while it is our states capital it does seem rather rural. 

One of my friends lost her little boy, she had left him buckled in her SUV to run in and get a drink from a sandwich shop, a guy fresh out of jail took off with her car, she chased after him and couldn't get her son's leg out of the seat buckle.  The driver drug him for a mile or two, it was the worst thing that has happened here.  Oprah had her on a couple of times and even gave her a baby shower a few years later.  It's funny when I mention this case to others that do not live around here - they have never heard about it. 

Sorry for rambling, I've got medicine head. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think CBB was trying to kill me with her left over M&M's. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 04:17:31 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   

One of my daughters friends moved to Jeff City a couple of years ago - after living here in KC.  She said it is very laid back and very countryfied. ::MonkeyCool::  I've been there a few times and while it is our states capital it does seem rather rural. 

One of my friends lost her little boy, she had left him buckled in her SUV to run in and get a drink from a sandwich shop, a guy fresh out of jail took off with her car, she chased after him and couldn't get her son's leg out of the seat buckle.  The driver drug him for a mile or two, it was the worst thing that has happened here.  Oprah had her on a couple of times and even gave her a baby shower a few years later.  It's funny when I mention this case to others that do not live around here - they have never heard about it. 

Sorry for rambling, I've got medicine head. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think CBB was trying to kill me with her left over M&M's. ::MonkeyDevil2::


I think we are all medicine heads talking to other medicine heads around here lately. I am feeling better, I just can't talk. I've lost my voice.

I do remember that about the little boy being drug outside the car. How horrible and traumatic!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not knocking it, but I think Missouri is a lot more countryfied than most would think. When you get out of the big cities that is.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Skyler on October 29, 2009, 05:12:03 PM
I am curious as to how the authorities are able to keep the media quiet about this or other things.  I mean, isn't their job to get in there, find out all the information they can and report it first?  Very puzzling for sure.  I mean, even on these blogs no one wants to be the first to spill the beans (as if there is some law against it). 

Seems like all defense attorneys scream they can't get a fair trial for their murdering clients in Missouri as well as every other state. It's as if everyone is supposed to forget it happened, forget the victim and concentrate on only getting his client a "fair trial."  That always amazes me. 

I have another "I heard" for you since I know many of you have also been bombarded with those lately.  I certainly cannot verify the information, but I heard that the teacher who committed suicide did so when he realized what had happened because he felt a tremendous amount of guilt for not taking the suspect's "writings" more seriously.  Just one more tidbit to add to the unverified information pool.

Thanks to all of you for providing me with the means to find out the suspect's name earler.  Now am I going to be tarred and feathered by "whoever" if I further inquire about the name/s of the grandparents?



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 05:57:12 PM
I am curious as to how the authorities are able to keep the media quiet about this or other things.  I mean, isn't their job to get in there, find out all the information they can and report it first?  Very puzzling for sure.  I mean, even on these blogs no one wants to be the first to spill the beans (as if there is some law against it). 

Seems like all defense attorneys scream they can't get a fair trial for their murdering clients in Missouri as well as every other state. It's as if everyone is supposed to forget it happened, forget the victim and concentrate on only getting his client a "fair trial."  That always amazes me. 

I have another "I heard" for you since I know many of you have also been bombarded with those lately.  I certainly cannot verify the information, but I heard that the teacher who committed suicide did so when he realized what had happened because he felt a tremendous amount of guilt for not taking the suspect's "writings" more seriously.  Just one more tidbit to add to the unverified information pool.

Thanks to all of you for providing me with the means to find out the suspect's name earler.  Now am I going to be tarred and feathered by "whoever" if I further inquire about the name/s of the grandparents?



Welcome SKYLER.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

You would think that would be their jobs, but if they are "owned" by the right people, they dictate what is put out. It is really the same in the mainstream media, where hardly any news comes from independent sources anyway.

As far as the Grandparents names, it has been decided by our administrator  KLAAS not to put it out there as the juvenile has not been "offically" identified. Yes, some of us have dug around and gotten the info. I don't think anyone is going to tar and feather you for wanting to know.
My personal opinion is the whole juvie thing is utterly ridiculous and unnecessary. The fact that she led the LE to the body tells me all I think we need to know about that. Do you live in the area?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 05:57:53 PM
I am curious as to how the authorities are able to keep the media quiet about this or other things.  I mean, isn't their job to get in there, find out all the information they can and report it first?  Very puzzling for sure.  I mean, even on these blogs no one wants to be the first to spill the beans (as if there is some law against it). 

Seems like all defense attorneys scream they can't get a fair trial for their murdering clients in Missouri as well as every other state. It's as if everyone is supposed to forget it happened, forget the victim and concentrate on only getting his client a "fair trial."  That always amazes me. 

I have another "I heard" for you since I know many of you have also been bombarded with those lately.  I certainly cannot verify the information, but I heard that the teacher who committed suicide did so when he realized what had happened because he felt a tremendous amount of guilt for not taking the suspect's "writings" more seriously.  Just one more tidbit to add to the unverified information pool.

Thanks to all of you for providing me with the means to find out the suspect's name earler.  Now am I going to be tarred and feathered by "whoever" if I further inquire about the name/s of the grandparents?




::cartwheel::  WELCOME Skylar  ::cartwheel::

Once they officially name the suspect we can then post our research about the family.  Nothing on the boards that I have seen have mentioned the grandparents by name and IMO should not. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 29, 2009, 06:04:17 PM
http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchAndListen/play/b812b963c (http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchAndListen/play/b812b963c)

This is AB singing.

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/member/wolf_heart (http://www.singsnap.com/snap/member/wolf_heart)
This is her profile. It says she has 8 other recordings. (She has an older sister?)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 29, 2009, 06:08:52 PM
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments (http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments)


Oh WOW>I haven't even read it all but had to show this to fellow monkeys right away!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 06:18:16 PM
http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchAndListen/play/b812b963c (http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchAndListen/play/b812b963c)

This is AB singing.

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/member/wolf_heart (http://www.singsnap.com/snap/member/wolf_heart)
This is her profile. It says she has 8 other recordings. (She has an older sister?)


Sorry I do not see the reference to older sister.  Could be my medicine brain right now as well.  Can you please point it out?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 06:20:34 PM
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments (http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments)


Oh WOW>I haven't even read it all but had to show this to fellow monkeys right away!

That is quite the chat log that Dave got sent.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 29, 2009, 06:21:44 PM
Sure, in the first link under the comment section, a girl with "apples" signature calls her "sis" but I wasn't sure if it was just a buddy thing calling her sis or if it was her real sister. Now the wordpress link and profile link definately identify AB by name.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 06:27:32 PM
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments (http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments)


Oh WOW>I haven't even read it all but had to show this to fellow monkeys right away!

LOL, I love the posts "great detective work Dave", lolol.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Info most many of us have had for almost a week now  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: KCJackie on October 29, 2009, 06:28:11 PM
Sure, in the first link under the comment section, a girl with "apples" signature calls her "sis" but I wasn't sure if it was just a buddy thing calling her sis or if it was her real sister. Now the wordpress link and profile link definately identify AB by name.



Lylas = Love You Like a Sis

Apples is another 15 year old from MO according to her profile. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 06:31:59 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   

One of my daughters friends moved to Jeff City a couple of years ago - after living here in KC.  She said it is very laid back and very countryfied. ::MonkeyCool::  I've been there a few times and while it is our states capital it does seem rather rural. 

One of my friends lost her little boy, she had left him buckled in her SUV to run in and get a drink from a sandwich shop, a guy fresh out of jail took off with her car, she chased after him and couldn't get her son's leg out of the seat buckle.  The driver drug him for a mile or two, it was the worst thing that has happened here.  Oprah had her on a couple of times and even gave her a baby shower a few years later.  It's funny when I mention this case to others that do not live around here - they have never heard about it. 

Sorry for rambling, I've got medicine head. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think CBB was trying to kill me with her left over M&M's. ::MonkeyDevil2::


omg, KCJackie - I know that case!  And I'm sure that I was still in California when I read about it.

Absolutely heartbreaking - I've prayed for that mother many times.  I hope she is doing ok, but what a horrible thing to have to live with.

There have been occassions when I have done my best to argue that even when a parent makes a horrible mistake (ie. McCann), that this case of the mom leaving her child in the car for just those moments very much highlights that the blame, in my opinion, lies with intent.

It was not the intent of this mother to have someone try to carjack her vehicle with her child inside, it was not her intent for the child to be harmed at all.

The blame lies with the person who chooses to commit the crime.

KCJackie - please let your friend know that I've thought about her often.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 06:32:18 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 29, 2009, 06:32:26 PM
Twitter is wiped too. More cleaning up?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
Twitter is wiped too. More cleaning up?

I was surprised to see it stay up as long as it did. Thank you for bringing those links over here.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 06:37:28 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/

OK! Now what the heck did that mean? Did it mean he talked to him before he shot himself, or he talked to him after he shot himself but before he died.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 06:38:52 PM
I am curious as to how the authorities are able to keep the media quiet about this or other things.  I mean, isn't their job to get in there, find out all the information they can and report it first?  Very puzzling for sure.  I mean, even on these blogs no one wants to be the first to spill the beans (as if there is some law against it). 

Seems like all defense attorneys scream they can't get a fair trial for their murdering clients in Missouri as well as every other state. It's as if everyone is supposed to forget it happened, forget the victim and concentrate on only getting his client a "fair trial."  That always amazes me. 

I have another "I heard" for you since I know many of you have also been bombarded with those lately.  I certainly cannot verify the information, but I heard that the teacher who committed suicide did so when he realized what had happened because he felt a tremendous amount of guilt for not taking the suspect's "writings" more seriously.  Just one more tidbit to add to the unverified information pool.

Thanks to all of you for providing me with the means to find out the suspect's name earler.  Now am I going to be tarred and feathered by "whoever" if I further inquire about the name/s of the grandparents?



welcome, Skylar.

The powers that be in JeffCity may have their local media under control, but once Nancy Grace gets her teeth into something, she rarely lets go.

And this has hit the internet hard.  Now that it's become obvious that JC authorities play the good old boy game, people will insist that it not be swept under the rug.

I have a feeling that the authorities in Jefferson City are about to be schooled. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
I've got screen caps of most all of it except maybe that new song place.  I have Twitter, Facebook and Myspace.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 06:40:48 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/

OK! Now what the heck did that mean? Did it mean he talked to him before he shot himself, or he talked to him after he shot himself but before he died.  ::MonkeyConfused::

yes, our new member, tomsmith99, posted over on the thread for the suspect that he subscribes to that paper and that part of the story had but removed from the online version for those who are not subscribed.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
I've got screen caps of most all of it except maybe that new song place.  I have Twitter, Facebook and Myspace.

Got the song space now too screen capped  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 06:46:16 PM
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments (http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments)


Oh WOW>I haven't even read it all but had to show this to fellow monkeys right away!

LOL, I love the posts "great detective work Dave", lolol.   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Info most many of us have had for almost a week now  ::MonkeyWink::

are we sure he's not Murt?

Because he sounds a lot like Murt... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 06:46:35 PM
I've got screen caps of most all of it except maybe that new song place.  I have Twitter, Facebook and Myspace.

Got the song space now too screen capped  ::MonkeyCool::

Did you get the audio too.... ::MonkeyDevil2::  j/k


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2009, 06:49:15 PM
I've got screen caps of most all of it except maybe that new song place.  I have Twitter, Facebook and Myspace.

Got the song space now too screen capped  ::MonkeyCool::

Did you get the audio too.... ::MonkeyDevil2::  j/k

I bet she did.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyBike::  Hey KCJackie!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 29, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
Being from Florida and enjoying the fruits of our Sunshine Law ( public has access to everything practically), I can see how frustrating this is up in JC. Something definately smells but it won't be long before an agency with more power and authority steps in. Especially since it appears the townspeople are grumbling and making some noise that all is not kosher.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: higherhopes on October 29, 2009, 06:55:02 PM
I cant believe all that is going on with this girl, she is a murderer, I know she is young but she still took another life and so there fore she is a murderer, just like every other murderer, she has to be punished..........Oh, and she didnt need to be recording anything........the girl cant sing.....holly cow.......I had to turn that off....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 06:57:40 PM
Sure, in the first link under the comment section, a girl with "apples" signature calls her "sis" but I wasn't sure if it was just a buddy thing calling her sis or if it was her real sister. Now the wordpress link and profile link definately identify AB by name.

TY    ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 07:00:32 PM
Being from Florida and enjoying the fruits of our Sunshine Law ( public has access to everything practically), I can see how frustrating this is up in JC. Something definately smells but it won't be long before an agency with more power and authority steps in. Especially since it appears the townspeople are grumbling and making some noise that all is not kosher.

I read somewhere that Missouri also has the Sunshine Law - or equivalent, but that they are hiding under the juvenile status of the person in custody.  I read that if they choose to charge as an adult, records will be available to media and public.

Could be wrong, I haven't checked.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:05:11 PM
Twitter is wiped too. More cleaning up?

Sure does.  Amazing how all the online stuff around her goes poof!  65 sad followers   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:09:34 PM
Being from Florida and enjoying the fruits of our Sunshine Law ( public has access to everything practically), I can see how frustrating this is up in JC. Something definately smells but it won't be long before an agency with more power and authority steps in. Especially since it appears the townspeople are grumbling and making some noise that all is not kosher.

I read somewhere that Missouri also has the Sunshine Law - or equivalent, but that they are hiding under the juvenile status of the person in custody.  I read that if they choose to charge as an adult, records will be available to media and public.

Could be wrong, I haven't checked.

Lets say on Nov 18 she gets moved to adult court.  I bet my pumpkin that the info which has gone poof will not be restored.  Especially the court cases 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:12:34 PM
Raise emotional intelligence

Margarita Vargas is the one hint of sanity to emerge from the insanity of Saturday's gang rape of a 15-year-old California high school student.

She had the sense to call police.

Of the reported 20 or so men and boys who witnessed the two-hour attack near Richmond High School on homecoming night, some participated in the assault, some laughed and egged on the rapists, and some took pictures.

Not one sought help for the victim.

Ms. Vargas wasn't there, but when she heard about the crime, she did something. "We called the police as soon as we found out," she told The Contra Costa Times. "As soon as we found out." Atianna Gibbs was with Ms. Vargas when they got word of the attack. "No matter who (the victim) was, who she was before," said Ms. Gibbs, "she doesn't deserve that."

Neither did Michael Brewer, the 15-year-old Deerfield Beach boy allegedly torched by a group of teens; or Elizabeth Olten, the 9-year-old Missouri girl allegedly murdered by the 15-year-old sister of her playmate; or Derrion Albert, the 16-year-old Chicago honor student beaten to death by gang members. These are but a few of the crimes committed by youths in one 30-day period. The list of murders, rapes and other violent crimes by and against young people is seemingly endless.

MORE....

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/10/29/a12a_swancol_1030.html


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 07:13:58 PM
I've got screen caps of most all of it except maybe that new song place.  I have Twitter, Facebook and Myspace.

Got the song space now too screen capped  ::MonkeyCool::

Did you get the audio too.... ::MonkeyDevil2::  j/k

I bet she did.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyBike::  Hey KCJackie!
::MonkeyHaHa::  No was unable to save them.  They are still there though if someone else wants to give it a shot:

Here is one of them:

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchAndListen/play/c5e1806a


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 07:16:22 PM
Being from Florida and enjoying the fruits of our Sunshine Law ( public has access to everything practically), I can see how frustrating this is up in JC. Something definately smells but it won't be long before an agency with more power and authority steps in. Especially since it appears the townspeople are grumbling and making some noise that all is not kosher.

I read somewhere that Missouri also has the Sunshine Law - or equivalent, but that they are hiding under the juvenile status of the person in custody.  I read that if they choose to charge as an adult, records will be available to media and public.

Could be wrong, I haven't checked.

Lets say on Nov 18 she gets moved to adult court.  I bet my pumpkin that the info which has gone poof will not be restored.  Especially the court cases 

I would bet you are correct in that.

But as with Casey (and much of her stuff went bye-bye), imo, the real stuff will start to be revealed and that is the hows and whys of what happened to Elizabeth.

As the defense receives discovery, it should be available then.

Honestly, from reading her stuff online and her friends things, too - I didn't see anything that would explain why she has done this.  Even her friends are shocked.

Keep in mind, tho, Northern.  In order for her atty to remove her online stuff, he needed her passwords.  And to get her passwords, he would have had to explain to her that the public has noticed her online stuff.  That in itself, imo, is good because she can now sit in her cell and think about the fact that she is NOT anonymous.  That her juvenile status has not protected her privacy.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:16:27 PM
Someone please go on Twitter, do a search on Olten and tell me what comes up.  Then do a search on Haleigh just to make sure it is not broke.

I just did a search and got NOTHING.  Yet, Casey, Haleigh, and every other random word pulled results.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 07:17:08 PM
Raise emotional intelligence

Margarita Vargas is the one hint of sanity to emerge from the insanity of Saturday's gang rape of a 15-year-old California high school student.

She had the sense to call police.

Of the reported 20 or so men and boys who witnessed the two-hour attack near Richmond High School on homecoming night, some participated in the assault, some laughed and egged on the rapists, and some took pictures.

Not one sought help for the victim.

Ms. Vargas wasn't there, but when she heard about the crime, she did something. "We called the police as soon as we found out," she told The Contra Costa Times. "As soon as we found out." Atianna Gibbs was with Ms. Vargas when they got word of the attack. "No matter who (the victim) was, who she was before," said Ms. Gibbs, "she doesn't deserve that."

Neither did Michael Brewer, the 15-year-old Deerfield Beach boy allegedly torched by a group of teens; or Elizabeth Olten, the 9-year-old Missouri girl allegedly murdered by the 15-year-old sister of her playmate; or Derrion Albert, the 16-year-old Chicago honor student beaten to death by gang members. These are but a few of the crimes committed by youths in one 30-day period. The list of murders, rapes and other violent crimes by and against young people is seemingly endless.

MORE....

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/10/29/a12a_swancol_1030.html

I'll be willing to bet MY PUMPKIN that article will not be picked up by the JC local news media. By the way, did they ever decide what the news anchor was going to wear for Halloween?  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 07:20:07 PM
Someone please go on Twitter, do a search on Olten and tell me what comes up.  Then do a search on Haleigh just to make sure it is not broke.

I just did a search and got NOTHING.  Yet, Casey, Haleigh, and every other random word pulled results.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get Olten but nothing pertaining to Elizabeth.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
Someone please go on Twitter, do a search on Olten and tell me what comes up.  Then do a search on Haleigh just to make sure it is not broke.

I just did a search and got NOTHING.  Yet, Casey, Haleigh, and every other random word pulled results.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Olten
#  Olten Terminus: Studi-Party - Das Original: Mit den DJDiscokings und reduzierten Getränkepreisen Tanzen, Feiern & Spass h.. http://kolt.ch/t_6954/   11 minutes ago from twitterfeed
# Twitterprofilephoto_normal Maven2379 Elizabeth Olten's killer identified: http://bit.ly/3Hio1r about 1 hour ago from web
# Default_profile_2_normal TianJaffords RT @Levi_Page Working on a post about crimes against children RE Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Sommer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten. about 1 hour ago from web
# Me___nancy_normal Levi_Page Working on a post about crimes against children RE Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Sommer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten. about 1 hour ago from web


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2009, 07:24:25 PM
NorthernRose

#  Maven2379 Elizabeth Olten's killer identified: http://bit.ly/3Hio1r   about 1 hour ago from web
# Default_profile_2_normal TianJaffords RT @Levi_Page Working on a post about crimes against children RE Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Sommer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten. about 1 hour ago from web
# Me___nancy_normal Levi_Page Working on a post about crimes against children RE Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Sommer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten. about 1 hour ago from web
# Crimeseekers_avatar_normal Crimeseeker Crowd lines up to say goodbye to Elizabeth Olten http://bit.ly/39G1HG ^FL about 2 hours ago from HootSuite
# Img_3922_normal ELMahers Unbelievable. My prayers are with you and your family Elizabeth... http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/29/missouri.olten.murder/index.html about 3 hours ago from web


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:35:58 PM
Raise emotional intelligence

Margarita Vargas is the one hint of sanity to emerge from the insanity of Saturday's gang rape of a 15-year-old California high school student.

She had the sense to call police.

Of the reported 20 or so men and boys who witnessed the two-hour attack near Richmond High School on homecoming night, some participated in the assault, some laughed and egged on the rapists, and some took pictures.

Not one sought help for the victim.

Ms. Vargas wasn't there, but when she heard about the crime, she did something. "We called the police as soon as we found out," she told The Contra Costa Times. "As soon as we found out." Atianna Gibbs was with Ms. Vargas when they got word of the attack. "No matter who (the victim) was, who she was before," said Ms. Gibbs, "she doesn't deserve that."

Neither did Michael Brewer, the 15-year-old Deerfield Beach boy allegedly torched by a group of teens; or Elizabeth Olten, the 9-year-old Missouri girl allegedly murdered by the 15-year-old sister of her playmate; or Derrion Albert, the 16-year-old Chicago honor student beaten to death by gang members. These are but a few of the crimes committed by youths in one 30-day period. The list of murders, rapes and other violent crimes by and against young people is seemingly endless.

MORE....

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/10/29/a12a_swancol_1030.html

I'll be willing to bet MY PUMPKIN that article will not be picked up by the JC local news media. By the way, did they ever decide what the news anchor was going to wear for Halloween?  ::MonkeyMad::

Nope, poll is still open.  I emailed KOMU yesterday asking about their coverage (and lack there of) and have not heard back from either of the people I sent it to.  So I just escalated it.  Next I will be sending them contacts to have their email system fixed as surely they must have  had a catastrophic crash.   I like the meds I am on !

Top five stories on KOMU right now in their respective order from the site:

1. Fifteen Departments Face Cuts
2. Police Promote Awareness Movement
3. Catering to H1N1 Patients
4. Community Brith Centre Set to Close
5. Elizabeth Olten Hearing Open to the Public


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
Someone please go on Twitter, do a search on Olten and tell me what comes up.  Then do a search on Haleigh just to make sure it is not broke.

I just did a search and got NOTHING.  Yet, Casey, Haleigh, and every other random word pulled results.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I get Olten but nothing pertaining to Elizabeth.

Interesting as I can still get nothing when I search Olten.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
Someone please go on Twitter, do a search on Olten and tell me what comes up.  Then do a search on Haleigh just to make sure it is not broke.

I just did a search and got NOTHING.  Yet, Casey, Haleigh, and every other random word pulled results.

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Olten
#  Olten Terminus: Studi-Party - Das Original: Mit den DJDiscokings und reduzierten Getränkepreisen Tanzen, Feiern & Spass h.. http://kolt.ch/t_6954/   11 minutes ago from twitterfeed
# Twitterprofilephoto_normal Maven2379 Elizabeth Olten's killer identified: http://bit.ly/3Hio1r about 1 hour ago from web
# Default_profile_2_normal TianJaffords RT @Levi_Page Working on a post about crimes against children RE Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Sommer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten. about 1 hour ago from web
# Me___nancy_normal Levi_Page Working on a post about crimes against children RE Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings, Sommer Thompson and Elizabeth Olten. about 1 hour ago from web

Thanks Trimm!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: KCJackie on October 29, 2009, 07:45:08 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I live just a couple hours away from Jeff City, if there is anything you would like for me to do - I would be more than happy to try.

That is a very kind offer.  What is your opinion on why the lack of coverage and the locals not wanting this on the national media?  BTW if those are M&M's in your basket you may want to pass on eating them unless you can find the best before date.   

One of my daughters friends moved to Jeff City a couple of years ago - after living here in KC.  She said it is very laid back and very countryfied. ::MonkeyCool::  I've been there a few times and while it is our states capital it does seem rather rural. 

One of my friends lost her little boy, she had left him buckled in her SUV to run in and get a drink from a sandwich shop, a guy fresh out of jail took off with her car, she chased after him and couldn't get her son's leg out of the seat buckle.  The driver drug him for a mile or two, it was the worst thing that has happened here.  Oprah had her on a couple of times and even gave her a baby shower a few years later.  It's funny when I mention this case to others that do not live around here - they have never heard about it. 

Sorry for rambling, I've got medicine head. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think CBB was trying to kill me with her left over M&M's. ::MonkeyDevil2::


omg, KCJackie - I know that case!  And I'm sure that I was still in California when I read about it.

Absolutely heartbreaking - I've prayed for that mother many times.  I hope she is doing ok, but what a horrible thing to have to live with.

There have been occassions when I have done my best to argue that even when a parent makes a horrible mistake (ie. McCann), that this case of the mom leaving her child in the car for just those moments very much highlights that the blame, in my opinion, lies with intent.

It was not the intent of this mother to have someone try to carjack her vehicle with her child inside, it was not her intent for the child to be harmed at all.

The blame lies with the person who chooses to commit the crime.

KCJackie - please let your friend know that I've thought about her often.

Jill - I sure will. ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Trimm ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Walter819 on October 29, 2009, 07:50:52 PM
Well somebody has been on her myspace last log in date shows 10/29


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
Well somebody has been on her myspace last log in date shows 10/29

Maybe her lawyer?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
Raise emotional intelligence

Margarita Vargas is the one hint of sanity to emerge from the insanity of Saturday's gang rape of a 15-year-old California high school student.

She had the sense to call police.

Of the reported 20 or so men and boys who witnessed the two-hour attack near Richmond High School on homecoming night, some participated in the assault, some laughed and egged on the rapists, and some took pictures.

Not one sought help for the victim.

Ms. Vargas wasn't there, but when she heard about the crime, she did something. "We called the police as soon as we found out," she told The Contra Costa Times. "As soon as we found out." Atianna Gibbs was with Ms. Vargas when they got word of the attack. "No matter who (the victim) was, who she was before," said Ms. Gibbs, "she doesn't deserve that."

Neither did Michael Brewer, the 15-year-old Deerfield Beach boy allegedly torched by a group of teens; or Elizabeth Olten, the 9-year-old Missouri girl allegedly murdered by the 15-year-old sister of her playmate; or Derrion Albert, the 16-year-old Chicago honor student beaten to death by gang members. These are but a few of the crimes committed by youths in one 30-day period. The list of murders, rapes and other violent crimes by and against young people is seemingly endless.

MORE....

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2009/10/29/a12a_swancol_1030.html

I'll be willing to bet MY PUMPKIN that article will not be picked up by the JC local news media. By the way, did they ever decide what the news anchor was going to wear for Halloween?  ::MonkeyMad::

Nope, poll is still open.  I emailed KOMU yesterday asking about their coverage (and lack there of) and have not heard back from either of the people I sent it to.  So I just escalated it.  Next I will be sending them contacts to have their email system fixed as surely they must have  had a catastrophic crash.   I like the meds I am on !

Top five stories on KOMU right now in their respective order from the site:

1. Fifteen Departments Face Cuts
2. Police Promote Awareness Movement
3. Catering to H1N1 Patients
4. Community Brith Centre Set to Close
5. Elizabeth Olten Hearing Open to the Public


I'm glad your meds are agreeing with you.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I wonder what #2 is about?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:02:03 PM
Well somebody has been on her myspace last log in date shows 10/29

unfortunately we don't have access to the search warrant info so we have no idea if the cops have access.

But I'd agree with Fanny since the other stuff is going poof.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 08:04:04 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:04:06 PM
hey - why would the lawyer leave her photos and name up on twitter and myspace?  I would've removed all that...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 08:12:51 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



I downloaded the video, will upload to photobucket in a second.  Notice the hobbies  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlyssaYoutube.jpg)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:14:42 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



OMG!!(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/MarymotherofGod.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:16:46 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



I downloaded the video, will upload to photobucket in a second.  Notice the hobbies  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlyssaYoutube.jpg)


(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/thomg-1.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Walter819 on October 29, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
hey - why would the lawyer leave her photos and name up on twitter and myspace?  I would've removed all that...

Just guessing here... her pic seems to show an average "all american" regular 15 yr old.. while the writings showed the 'darker side' of her.  Not at all in keeping with the 'sweet little girl' image the defense atty seems to be TRYING to go after in this case.   Wait til he catches wind of her YouTube hobbies and videos.  Poor man.  He's got his work cut out for him, chasing this 'sweet little girl' all over the net.   ::MonkeyTongue::

 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 08:24:09 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 08:26:20 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



I downloaded the video, will upload to photobucket in a second.  Notice the hobbies  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlyssaYoutube.jpg)



Thanks Klaas!!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:28:55 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

I looks like they had a lot of unsupervised time on their hands.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:31:18 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 08:32:12 PM
Some on the net are trying to figure out if this is AB.. or isn't.. Several pics of an A.  I can't be sure it's a no, so here ya go, see what y'all think:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured (http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured)



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 08:33:31 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Watching the second video now.  They have a gorgeous house, pool table, room for the kids to goof around. I am now wondering if the picture that was taken of Elizabeth that first came out with the baby walker in the back was actually taken AB's house.  I have seen one of that picture with a older man in the background to the right and then the rest has him cropped off.  Still looking for the one with him in it as it was on NG I believe when Elizabeth first went missing.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 08:37:48 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

guardianship of 3 minors in 2005
guardianship of 1 minor 02/20/2007


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:39:27 PM
Some on the net are trying to figure out if this is AB.. or isn't.. Several pics of an A.  I can't be sure it's a no, so here ya go, see what y'all think:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured (http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured)



Her hair looks a little dark, but she is a pretty girl. I am not sure.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:40:23 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

guardianship of 3 minors in 2005
guardianship of 1 minor 02/20/2007

So I think all those videos were shot in Mo. jMO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Some on the net are trying to figure out if this is AB.. or isn't.. Several pics of an A.  I can't be sure it's a no, so here ya go, see what y'all think:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured (http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured)



Can't say for sure


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 08:44:24 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

guardianship of 3 minors in 2005
guardianship of 1 minor 02/20/2007

So I think all those videos were shot in Mo. jMO

OK, thanks.  Not sure why but I thought she was only in MO for a couple of years


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 08:45:20 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

guardianship of 3 minors in 2005
guardianship of 1 minor 02/20/2007

More info has been cleansed.  I just went to get the date from the one file still left up from bio dad and all info in it has been wiped out as well now.  The filing date was 08/08/2005 and if I remember it was to seek support money.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:48:01 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



I downloaded the video, will upload to photobucket in a second.  Notice the hobbies  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlyssaYoutube.jpg)


(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/thomg-1.gif)

holy carp!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

guardianship of 3 minors in 2005
guardianship of 1 minor 02/20/2007

So I think all those videos were shot in Mo. jMO

OK, thanks.  Not sure why but I thought she was only in MO for a couple of years

There are 4 vidoes.  If you click "see all" the 4th pops up:

My bloody Valentine by Good Charlotte off of the album The young and the Hopeless. ... (more info)   (less info)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv



Wasn't the papers done in 2006? I think they were in Mo when those were taken. Esp the one in the pool. In fact, they all looked to me like the new house. JMO

Did you listen to her trying to get the boys to hurt themselves?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

guardianship of 3 minors in 2005
guardianship of 1 minor 02/20/2007

More info has been cleansed.  I just went to get the date from the one file still left up from bio dad and all info in it has been wiped out as well now.  The filing date was 08/08/2005 and if I remember it was to seek support money.

I cannot help but wonder if all this cleaning of public files, whether on-line or not is legal.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 08:54:46 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
Some on the net are trying to figure out if this is AB.. or isn't.. Several pics of an A.  I can't be sure it's a no, so here ya go, see what y'all think:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured (http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured)



Can't say for sure
I thiink it is her.  If you do a side by side with the singsong one it looks the same.  Here are the notes on it:

Artist's Comments
a little different than usual, I know.

Alyssa, who doesn't really like make-up, wanted to experiment with it, and put way more than usual on.


critique?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:00:43 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:04:44 PM
Last child guardianship:

05/11/2009  Docket Entry: Order Approving Status Report


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:05:11 PM
Wasn't that house built 2006/2007? I didn't screen shot the records.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:06:09 PM
How sweet


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: KCJackie on October 29, 2009, 09:06:09 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Skyler on October 29, 2009, 09:07:35 PM
I lived in St. Martins for a few years in the '70's, and in Jefferson City for many, many years.  I currently am living out of the country actually, but have been following this case closely.  My Jefferson City friends have not been able to find out much about the case. It appears to me that the best investigators are on this site!   ::MonkeyCheer4::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Last child guardianship:

05/11/2009  Docket Entry: Order Approving Status Report

That must have been for the last child?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:11:15 PM
I lived in St. Martins for a few years in the '70's, and in Jefferson City for many, many years.  I currently am living out of the country actually, but have been following this case closely.  My Jefferson City friends have not been able to find out much about the case. It appears to me that the best investigators are on this site!   ::MonkeyCheer4::



I am not a smart monkey but I follow the smart ones around.  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:12:57 PM
Wasn't that house built 2006/2007? I didn't screen shot the records.

House was built sometime in or after 2006.  Not sure the date.  The movie where they touch the electric fench is at the house closest to the road right at the horse paddock by the big pond.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Last child guardianship:

05/11/2009  Docket Entry: Order Approving Status Report

That must have been for the last child?

Fanny I think you need to share my meds.  I will bold the first word.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:14:43 PM
hey - why would the lawyer leave her photos and name up on twitter and myspace?  I would've removed all that...

Just guessing here... her pic seems to show an average "all american" regular 15 yr old.. while the writings showed the 'darker side' of her.  Not at all in keeping with the 'sweet little girl' image the defense atty seems to be TRYING to go after in this case.   Wait til he catches wind of her YouTube hobbies and videos.  Poor man.  He's got his work cut out for him, chasing this 'sweet little girl' all over the net.   ::MonkeyTongue::

 

good thoughts, Wyks.

If he's smart, he'll park some peon right here!

He may not be that smart, though.

Also, let's not forget that what she posts on other people's page - and the photos they have of her, he will not be able to get at.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

I looks like they had a lot of unsupervised time on their hands.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

pretty wild.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: mizjay on October 29, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:17:11 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



I downloaded the video, will upload to photobucket in a second.  Notice the hobbies  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlyssaYoutube.jpg)


(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/thomg-1.gif)

holy carp!

Ya the hobbies came true didn't they?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:17:47 PM
Last child guardianship:

05/11/2009  Docket Entry: Order Approving Status Report

That must have been for the last child?

Fanny I think you need to share my meds.  I will bold the first word.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Will your meds make me smarter. I am a little dense tonight.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yes Dale Sr is her father, Dale Jr is her borther , both in jail atm.  There is more info on them in the Jasmine Haslag thread.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:19:08 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yep, and his son is Dale Jr and they are in the same place.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:19:13 PM
there's no other missing kids in that area, are there?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:20:51 PM
I thought it was interesting that Dale's sister, Vicki, was not mentioned as she was all over the news.

I had thought she was supporting Elizabeth's mom through this but maybe not. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 09:21:18 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv


All the videos are shot in Missouri, the old 'buff brick' house is the house with the pool. The previous family that owned that house had it added, a few before GB (different last name) bought it. I have driven by the two homes for many, many years.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman

 Stickitysticks changed deviant art accounts.  His new account is:  http://mr-catastrophical.deviantart.com/   If the girl in the B&W pictures of his new account is the same girl (and I beleive she is) she is not the same Alyssa.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 09:23:04 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

He's in jail


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: mizjay on October 29, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
there's no other missing kids in that area, are there?

 ::MonkeyShocked::
No, following up on the NG blog, a poster mentioned that a dale Olten was possibly involved (?) in disappearance of jasmine Haslag. Also a drug incident invilving them both, she disappeared and he beat the charge........I donno.  sorry I can't bring links (don't know how) and not sure if it's approppriate


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 09:23:47 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv


All the videos are shot in Missouri, the old 'buff brick' house is the house with the pool. The previous family that owned that house had it added, a few before GB (different last name) bought it. I have driven by the two homes for many, many years.



Thank you Tomsmith!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv


All the videos are shot in Missouri, the old 'buff brick' house is the house with the pool. The previous family that owned that house had it added, a few before GB (different last name) bought it. I have driven by the two homes for many, many years.



thanks, tomsmith.

Have you had a chance to read back?  Some new stuff...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:26:31 PM
there's no other missing kids in that area, are there?

 ::MonkeyShocked::
No, following up on the NG blog, a poster mentioned that a dale Olten was possibly involved (?) in disappearance of jasmine Haslag. Also a drug incident invilving them both, she disappeared and he beat the charge........I donno.  sorry I can't bring links (don't know how) and not sure if it's approppriate

mizjay - there is a thread her at SM for Jasmine Haslag.  Lots of info there.  Her mom is the lady from Missouri Missing who has been helping Elizabeth's mom through all of this, which is interesting in itself.  Very self-less, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: mizjay on October 29, 2009, 09:27:12 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yes Dale Sr is her father, Dale Jr is her borther , both in jail atm.  There is more info on them in the Jasmine Haslag thread.

 how did he get out to attend the funeral? I thought he said he was currently on disabilty, wheelchair?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:27:20 PM
KLAAS she has 3 video's

Yeah, they are all old though I think when she was still in California except for the one I downloaded maybe.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=AlyssaYoutube2007.flv


All the videos are shot in Missouri, the old 'buff brick' house is the house with the pool. The previous family that owned that house had it added, a few before GB (different last name) bought it. I have driven by the two homes for many, many years.



TY!  and

 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME  tomsmith99   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: mizjay on October 29, 2009, 09:28:10 PM
there's no other missing kids in that area, are there?

 ::MonkeyShocked::
No, following up on the NG blog, a poster mentioned that a dale Olten was possibly involved (?) in disappearance of jasmine Haslag. Also a drug incident invilving them both, she disappeared and he beat the charge........I donno.  sorry I can't bring links (don't know how) and not sure if it's approppriate

mizjay - there is a thread her at SM for Jasmine Haslag.  Lots of info there.  Her mom is the lady from Missouri Missing who has been helping Elizabeth's mom through all of this, which is interesting in itself.  Very self-less, imo.

Thanks, I'll check it out


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yes Dale Sr is her father, Dale Jr is her borther , both in jail atm.  There is more info on them in the Jasmine Haslag thread.

 how did he get out to attend the funeral? I thought he said he was currently on disabilty, wheelchair?

hey mizjay - Dale Olten was not allowed to attend.

here's the thread for Jasmine:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6347.0


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:31:10 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:31:15 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yes Dale Sr is her father, Dale Jr is her borther , both in jail atm.  There is more info on them in the Jasmine Haslag thread.

 how did he get out to attend the funeral? I thought he said he was currently on disabilty, wheelchair?

Somer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 09:31:51 PM
Last child guardianship:

05/11/2009  Docket Entry: Order Approving Status Report

That must have been for the last child?

Fanny I think you need to share my meds.  I will bold the first word.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

We all have days like this.  lolol


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:32:13 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yes Dale Sr is her father, Dale Jr is her borther , both in jail atm.  There is more info on them in the Jasmine Haslag thread.

 how did he get out to attend the funeral? I thought he said he was currently on disabilty, wheelchair?

The wheelchair father is Somer's.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
hey - why would the lawyer leave her photos and name up on twitter and myspace?  I would've removed all that...

Just guessing here... her pic seems to show an average "all american" regular 15 yr old.. while the writings showed the 'darker side' of her.  Not at all in keeping with the 'sweet little girl' image the defense atty seems to be TRYING to go after in this case.   Wait til he catches wind of her YouTube hobbies and videos.  Poor man.  He's got his work cut out for him, chasing this 'sweet little girl' all over the net.   ::MonkeyTongue::

 

good thoughts, Wyks.

If he's smart, he'll park some peon right here!

He may not be that smart, though.

Also, let's not forget that what she posts on other people's page - and the photos they have of her, he will not be able to get at.

Thanks Jill! 

Am kinda thinking that troll the other night was of the defense atty's doing.  Sure sounds like similiar posting to what the atty has been quoted as saying in the news. 

And yep, very true!  He's gonna have to hire a legal asst. full time just to chase all that this 'sweet little girl' has been putting out on the net for sev. years now.  And like you said, won't be able to get it all.  Not before us anyway...  ::MonkeyTease::

 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:38:29 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I don't know, Northern.  That Alyssa is Alyssa Marie, out of Texas, last log in 10/29.

I realize that AB's top ramen account says 10/29 today....I'm not seeing the resemblance.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: mizjay on October 29, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
Does anyone know if elizabeth's father is Dale Olten?  If it is, there may have been reason for the omission of his info in the obit.

Yes Dale Sr is her father, Dale Jr is her borther , both in jail atm.  There is more info on them in the Jasmine Haslag thread.

 how did he get out to attend the funeral? I thought he said he was currently on disabilty, wheelchair?

omer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG  What a dumb azz I am. A million apologies to all. I wish I could claim the medicine defense but  I'm not sick, just an idiot. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:39:27 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

Dadgumit!!! I want us to be able to talk about these people. This is maddening!!!  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 09:40:17 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/

I can't remember where I read it, I am sorry. But it said he and the Sheriff were friends. And the he, Currie, had an incurable disease....cancer....I think and could not longer take it.  uummm now which is the real story???


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 09:41:01 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I don't know, Northern.  That Alyssa is Alyssa Marie, out of Texas, last log in 10/29.

I realize that AB's top ramen account says 10/29 today....I'm not seeing the resemblance.

There may still be connections in TX is what I was trying to say.  Sorry Medicine brain may not be making my posts clear. 
Just be careful nto to rule out a TX connection too soon. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
I've got screen caps of most all of it except maybe that new song place.  I have Twitter, Facebook and Myspace.

Got the song space now too screen capped  ::MonkeyCool::

no doubt in my mind you would have it all!! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:43:42 PM
hey - why would the lawyer leave her photos and name up on twitter and myspace?  I would've removed all that...

Just guessing here... her pic seems to show an average "all american" regular 15 yr old.. while the writings showed the 'darker side' of her.  Not at all in keeping with the 'sweet little girl' image the defense atty seems to be TRYING to go after in this case.   Wait til he catches wind of her YouTube hobbies and videos.  Poor man.  He's got his work cut out for him, chasing this 'sweet little girl' all over the net.   ::MonkeyTongue::

 

good thoughts, Wyks.

If he's smart, he'll park some peon right here!

He may not be that smart, though.

Also, let's not forget that what she posts on other people's page - and the photos they have of her, he will not be able to get at.

Thanks Jill! 

Am kinda thinking that troll the other night was of the defense atty's doing.  Sure sounds like similiar posting to what the atty has been quoted as saying in the news. 

And yep, very true!  He's gonna have to hire a legal asst. full time just to chase all that this 'sweet little girl' has been putting out on the net for sev. years now.  And like you said, won't be able to get it all.  Not before us anyway...  ::MonkeyTease::

 

And anyhow, we know who the troll was..... ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 09:46:38 PM

thanks, tomsmith.

Have you had a chance to read back?  Some new stuff...

Hi Jill, yes started at 83 or so... The Youtube profile is the 'smoking gun', if I were a betting man I would say Jefferson City High School and the 'now deceased' journalism teacher, had many signs of this troubled teen that they have ignored. Also the kids always seemed to be alone alot, they grandfather is a IT consultant that works out of town all week, and grandmother was running a day care out of the old house. I will keep within the mods rules and leave it at that.

Also everything everyone else said about Jefferson City is true, a great place to live, but lots of stuff swept under the rug. I have lived here 50+ years and seen alot. What is also sad is that the guy that owns the funeral home, and yes the horse carriage, was arrested a few years ago for molesting a teen boy. It did make the paper, but then he struck a deal and no charges were filed. He has some $$$ and everyone treats him like nothing happened... Makes me sick !!!!



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 09:49:35 PM
Anyone want to get a screenshot of this... before it gets scrubbed too?   ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage (http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage)



I downloaded the video, will upload to photobucket in a second.  Notice the hobbies  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlyssaYoutube.jpg)

Damn!!! 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 09:50:56 PM

thanks, tomsmith.

Have you had a chance to read back?  Some new stuff...

Hi Jill, yes started at 83 or so... The Youtube profile is the 'smoking gun', if I were a betting man I would say Jefferson City High School and the 'now deceased' journalism teacher, had many signs of this troubled teen that they have ignored. Also the kids always seemed to be alone alot, they grandfather is a IT consultant that works out of town all week, and grandmother was running a day care out of the old house. I will keep within the mods rules and leave it at that.

Also everything everyone else said about Jefferson City is true, a great place to live, but lots of stuff swept under the rug. I have lived here 50+ years and seen alot. What is also sad is that the guy that owns the funeral home, and yes the horse carriage, was arrested a few years ago for molesting a teen boy. It did make the paper, but then he struck a deal and no charges were filed. He has some $$$ and everyone treats him like nothing happened... Makes me sick !!!!



Hi TOMSMITH99!! Would you like something to drink?  Welcome!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:51:43 PM
hey - why would the lawyer leave her photos and name up on twitter and myspace?  I would've removed all that...

Just guessing here... her pic seems to show an average "all american" regular 15 yr old.. while the writings showed the 'darker side' of her.  Not at all in keeping with the 'sweet little girl' image the defense atty seems to be TRYING to go after in this case.   Wait til he catches wind of her YouTube hobbies and videos.  Poor man.  He's got his work cut out for him, chasing this 'sweet little girl' all over the net.   ::MonkeyTongue::

 

good thoughts, Wyks.

If he's smart, he'll park some peon right here!

He may not be that smart, though.

Also, let's not forget that what she posts on other people's page - and the photos they have of her, he will not be able to get at.

Thanks Jill! 

Am kinda thinking that troll the other night was of the defense atty's doing.  Sure sounds like similiar posting to what the atty has been quoted as saying in the news. 

And yep, very true!  He's gonna have to hire a legal asst. full time just to chase all that this 'sweet little girl' has been putting out on the net for sev. years now.  And like you said, won't be able to get it all.  Not before us anyway...  ::MonkeyTease::

 

you know, that theory totally fits...

:)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:54:13 PM
I don't think the girl on deviantart is her:

http://stickitystickman.deviantart.com/art/Alyssa-II-51104871

her nose is broader, her complexion more olive-toned.  She doesn't appear as tall as AB in the photo against the fence...jmo.

also, Northern - I had thought that the last child's custody arrangement was finalized just this past spring?

Coudl be.  It was filed on the date I posted in 2007.  I did manage to capture that one in case it went poof.  Hang on.

Here is Stickitysticks MySpace - it has an "A" listed as a friend but it shows wrong ages and out of Texas, hmmmm.....

http://www.myspace.com/stickitystickman

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I don't know, Northern.  That Alyssa is Alyssa Marie, out of Texas, last log in 10/29.

I realize that AB's top ramen account says 10/29 today....I'm not seeing the resemblance.

There may still be connections in TX is what I was trying to say.  Sorry Medicine brain may not be making my posts clear. 
Just be careful nto to rule out a TX connection too soon. 

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Skyler on October 29, 2009, 09:55:43 PM
Yes, it seems that several Jefferson Citians have posted on the Nancy Grace site and have inquired about possible cover-ups (with the teacher's suicide and someone mentioned a connection with Dale Olton being a POI in the Jasmine Haslag disappearance).  I posted on there Monday night when I was so angry.  All this happened with poor little Elizabeth's body being found Friday and on Monday night, Nancy was talking about the stupid balloon boy again, ad nauseum, and didn't even mention Elizabeth while I was watchng.  Grr....


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:56:54 PM

thanks, tomsmith.

Have you had a chance to read back?  Some new stuff...

Hi Jill, yes started at 83 or so... The Youtube profile is the 'smoking gun', if I were a betting man I would say Jefferson City High School and the 'now deceased' journalism teacher, had many signs of this troubled teen that they have ignored. Also the kids always seemed to be alone alot, they grandfather is a IT consultant that works out of town all week, and grandmother was running a day care out of the old house. I will keep within the mods rules and leave it at that.

Also everything everyone else said about Jefferson City is true, a great place to live, but lots of stuff swept under the rug. I have lived here 50+ years and seen alot. What is also sad is that the guy that owns the funeral home, and yes the horse carriage, was arrested a few years ago for molesting a teen boy. It did make the paper, but then he struck a deal and no charges were filed. He has some $$$ and everyone treats him like nothing happened... Makes me sick !!!!



oh wow - ok, now a few more things make sense.  thanks, tom.

damn.  Now the beautiful horse-drawn carriage doesn't seem so beautiful anymore...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
Yes, it seems that several Jefferson Citians have posted on the Nancy Grace site and have inquired about possible cover-ups (with the teacher's suicide and someone mentioned a connection with Dale Olton being a POI in the Jasmine Haslag disappearance).  I posted on there Monday night when I was so angry.  All this happened with poor little Elizabeth's body being found Friday and on Monday night, Nancy was talking about the stupid balloon boy again, ad nauseum, and didn't even mention Elizabeth while I was watchng.  Grr....

well, it looks like there is a LOT with this case to keep NG talking for quite awhile...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 09:58:55 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: shelby on October 29, 2009, 10:02:08 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/

I can't remember where I read it, I am sorry. But it said he and the Sheriff were friends. And the he, Currie, had an incurable disease....cancer....I think and could not longer take it.  uummm now which is the real story???


Hey everyone, first post....
Yes, I also read that he had cancer, and that recently his health had taken a turn for the worse. I also saw a post
from a friend of his, who said that Mr. Currie had looked sick all week, grey, vomiting, etc. Insists suicide not related to case. Supposedly Sheriff White and Mr. Currie were longtime friends.
As far as Juggalos-They are a group who listen to a 'band' called ICP 'Insane Clown Possee' and I don't think AB was
one of them. I don't know if anyone remembers the Tess Van Damm case- she and her boyfriend killed her mother-a friend helped hide the body-they helped each other because they were 'juggalos' which meant 'family' (to them) and they would do 'anything' to help another juggalo. They paint their faces black & white...the band is beyond
horrible. Not related to 'The Twilight Series' at all.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:03:28 PM


omer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG  What a dumb azz I am. A million apologies to all. I wish I could claim the medicine defense but  I'm not sick, just an idiot. ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you are not an idiot.....just too many babies being murdered!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:05:49 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


so, is KB not the bio grandmother of these kids?  or are they her bio grandkids, and GB (different last name) is their step-grandpa?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:06:55 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


I did not look for the 3rd marriage cert so she could have married the current husband in CA as well.  I have a throw away email if you want.  XXX Edit to remove email addy.  MB
I did find GB in CA as well so it makes sense that they got married there.  


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/

I can't remember where I read it, I am sorry. But it said he and the Sheriff were friends. And the he, Currie, had an incurable disease....cancer....I think and could not longer take it.  uummm now which is the real story???


Hey everyone, first post....
Yes, I also read that he had cancer, and that recently his health had taken a turn for the worse. I also saw a post
from a friend of his, who said that Mr. Currie had looked sick all week, grey, vomiting, etc. Insists suicide not related to case. Supposedly Sheriff White and Mr. Currie were longtime friends.
As far as Juggalos-They are a group who listen to a 'band' called ICP 'Insane Clown Possee' and I don't think AB was
one of them. I don't know if anyone remembers the Tess Van Damm case- she and her boyfriend killed her mother-a friend helped hide the body-they helped each other because they were 'juggalos' which meant 'family' (to them) and they would do 'anything' to help another juggalo. They paint their faces black & white...the band is beyond
horrible. Not related to 'The Twilight Series' at all.

Welcome Shelby!  I agree, from all accounts Mr. Currie was a very much loved instructor.  I really doubt his suicide has anything to do with Elizabeth's murder.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:07:56 PM
has anyone heard anything about the rumors of the boyfriend?

I can find no boyfriend for AB - but I'm probably just not looking in the right place.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:08:09 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


I did not look for the 3rd marriage cert so she could have married the current husband in CA as well.  I have a throw away email if you want.  throwawaymonkey@gmail.com 
I did find GB in CA as well so it makes sense that they got married there. 

How did they end up in Missouri? Because of the grandkids?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:09:27 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


so, is KB not the bio grandmother of these kids?  or are they her bio grandkids, and GB (different last name) is their step-grandpa?

Yes KB is the bio grandma.  GB is the step grandpa.  KB is the mother of MB who had all these kids.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
   October 29th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I live in the Jeff City area and am glad we have these kinds of forums to discuss this case, even if much of it remains "unverified" by officials. I have been puzzled by the lack of information from authorities and the complicity of the media. Not reporting the gender of the suspect was the first tip off that this is being unconventionally covered up. Regarding the involvement of the high school teacher who committed suicide, the paper reported today that the sheriff was at his memorial service and said he was "the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday." Real interesting that the on-line version of the story in the JC News Tribune cut that part out of the article! Something very weird is happening here.


http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/

I can't remember where I read it, I am sorry. But it said he and the Sheriff were friends. And the he, Currie, had an incurable disease....cancer....I think and could not longer take it.  uummm now which is the real story???


Hey everyone, first post....
Yes, I also read that he had cancer, and that recently his health had taken a turn for the worse. I also saw a post
from a friend of his, who said that Mr. Currie had looked sick all week, grey, vomiting, etc. Insists suicide not related to case. Supposedly Sheriff White and Mr. Currie were longtime friends.
As far as Juggalos-They are a group who listen to a 'band' called ICP 'Insane Clown Possee' and I don't think AB was
one of them. I don't know if anyone remembers the Tess Van Damm case- she and her boyfriend killed her mother-a friend helped hide the body-they helped each other because they were 'juggalos' which meant 'family' (to them) and they would do 'anything' to help another juggalo. They paint their faces black & white...the band is beyond
horrible. Not related to 'The Twilight Series' at all.

Hi shelby. Welcome to SM. thanks for verifying what I read. For the life of my I can't remember where as I have been all over the internet today.  It kinds hit me in the stomach as I was really leaning towards him knowing something...sorry Mr. Currie....RIP


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:10:37 PM
has anyone heard anything about the rumors of the boyfriend?

I can find no boyfriend for AB - but I'm probably just not looking in the right place.

I have seen some comments on the news blogs about her boyfriend, and being friends with her boyfriend, and how upset he is, but no name.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:10:48 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


so, is KB not the bio grandmother of these kids?  or are they her bio grandkids, and GB (different last name) is their step-grandpa?

Yes KB is the bio grandma.  GB is the step grandpa.  KB is the mother of MB who had all these kids.

ok, gotcha.  thx!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:11:40 PM
has anyone heard anything about the rumors of the boyfriend?

I can find no boyfriend for AB - but I'm probably just not looking in the right place.

I read several rumors....nothing to back them up though


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 10:12:48 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


so, is KB not the bio grandmother of these kids?  or are they her bio grandkids, and GB (different last name) is their step-grandpa?

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
Welcome SHELBY. Maybe it was unfortunate timing, but it really has given me pause to think. I just hope he didn't blame himself if he knew something. Having cancer was bad enough.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:14:47 PM
 ::cartwheel::   WELCOME Shelby   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:14:48 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


so, is KB not the bio grandmother of these kids?  or are they her bio grandkids, and GB (different last name) is their step-grandpa?

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Didn't you say they had only been in town for five years?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: mizjay on October 29, 2009, 10:15:28 PM


omer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG  What a dumb azz I am. A million apologies to all. I wish I could claim the medicine defense but  I'm not sick, just an idiot. ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you are not an idiot.....just too many babies being murdered!!


 Thanks.  I felt like never coming down from the rafters again, embarrassing!       :smt017    and yes, too many babies being murdered,


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 10:15:37 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:16:14 PM
has anyone heard anything about the rumors of the boyfriend?

I can find no boyfriend for AB - but I'm probably just not looking in the right place.

I read several rumors....nothing to back them up though

I do remember something about the boyfriend being upset because the FBI had come to his house Friday night.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2009, 10:16:24 PM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:17:18 PM

There may still be connections in TX is what I was trying to say.  Sorry Medicine brain may not be making my posts clear. 
Just be careful nto to rule out a TX connection too soon. 

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I've got KB out of New Mexico, TX, and CA under name of K. Nieto. 
 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:19:11 PM


omer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG  What a dumb azz I am. A million apologies to all. I wish I could claim the medicine defense but  I'm not sick, just an idiot. ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you are not an idiot.....just too many babies being murdered!!


 Thanks.  I felt like never coming down from the rafters again, embarrassing!       :smt017    and yes, too many babies being murdered,

With these murders so close and both so horrific I think many of us have been on information overload. Very easy to get the  2 confused. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:19:22 PM


omer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG  What a dumb azz I am. A million apologies to all. I wish I could claim the medicine defense but  I'm not sick, just an idiot. ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you are not an idiot.....just too many babies being murdered!!


 Thanks.  I felt like never coming down from the rafters again, embarrassing!       :smt017    and yes, too many babies being murdered,

It ok. I'm getting details confused too. :smt056


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:19:43 PM

Hang on here.  It MAY be related.

Grandma has been married 3 times.  First in TX to the man that is the father of A's mother.  Second marriage was in CA, third marriage to her current husband.

I never did ferret out the more than one marriage for KB.  Or GB.  Or whoever it was who had more than one marriage, lol.

I believe that GB and the grandmother got married in CA, at least that is what I remember when they rolled into town about 5 years ago. I wish this board had PM, I will like to discuss the name of the grandfather with you Jill.


so, is KB not the bio grandmother of these kids?  or are they her bio grandkids, and GB (different last name) is their step-grandpa?

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


this has got to be just a horror story for them.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 10:21:03 PM

Didn't you say they had only been in town for five years?

Yes they have been in St. Martins about 5 years, they bought the Higgin's buff brick house, 5 houses down from Elizabeth's (rental) house, then built a new house behind it. I would say Elizabeth's family has been there about a year or so. I think that family has had some hard times since Dale Sr. and Dale Jr. got caught with drugs, stolen guns, violated some probation, etc. etc. Not sure AB or the other sister (half sister) have been here the whole time? I do remember seeing the twin boys and a girl when they first got here.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:22:28 PM


omer Thompson's father is in a wheelchair. Maybe you are getting the two cases confused. Or don't listen to me, I stay confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OMG  What a dumb azz I am. A million apologies to all. I wish I could claim the medicine defense but  I'm not sick, just an idiot. ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::  you are not an idiot.....just too many babies being murdered!!


 Thanks.  I felt like never coming down from the rafters again, embarrassing!       :smt017    and yes, too many babies being murdered,

 ::MonkeyNoNo::yep.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:23:22 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Not sure if I understood what you just wrote.  Here is how the B last name is different.  KB has a daughter from marriage #1 - MB.  MB got married to another person with a different last name that starts with a B.  They had the kids. = AB


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:23:47 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:24:09 PM

Didn't you say they had only been in town for five years?

Yes they have been in St. Martins about 5 years, they bought the Higgin's buff brick house, 5 houses down from Elizabeth's (rental) house, then built a new house behind it. I would say Elizabeth's family has been there about a year or so. I think that family has had some hard times since Dale Sr. and Dale Jr. got caught with drugs, stolen guns, violated some probation, etc. etc. Not sure AB or the other sister (half sister) have been here the whole time? I do remember seeing the twin boys and a girl when they first got here.

I think the youngest just arrived a couple of years ago.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:24:10 PM

Didn't you say they had only been in town for five years?

Yes they have been in St. Martins about 5 years, they bought the Higgin's buff brick house, 5 houses down from Elizabeth's (rental) house, then built a new house behind it. I would say Elizabeth's family has been there about a year or so. I think that family has had some hard times since Dale Sr. and Dale Jr. got caught with drugs, stolen guns, violated some probation, etc. etc. Not sure AB or the other sister (half sister) have been here the whole time? I do remember seeing the twin boys and a girl when they first got here.

Did you know anything about the search warrant done on AB's house Friday night. Was it at the big house or the daycare? First the media said there was a search warrant, and then they said it was in reference to a traffic stop. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:25:48 PM

Didn't you say they had only been in town for five years?

Yes they have been in St. Martins about 5 years, they bought the Higgin's buff brick house, 5 houses down from Elizabeth's (rental) house, then built a new house behind it. I would say Elizabeth's family has been there about a year or so. I think that family has had some hard times since Dale Sr. and Dale Jr. got caught with drugs, stolen guns, violated some probation, etc. etc. Not sure AB or the other sister (half sister) have been here the whole time? I do remember seeing the twin boys and a girl when they first got here.

Thanks Tom. Would you say the family has connections in the area?  Since they have only been in the area about 5 years, it seems odd that they would be 'connected.'  But there are surely some gags being put on mouths in the area.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:26:27 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



I know what you mean. Do you think you could find me another sekrit decoder ring.  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:26:37 PM

Didn't you say they had only been in town for five years?

Yes they have been in St. Martins about 5 years, they bought the Higgin's buff brick house, 5 houses down from Elizabeth's (rental) house, then built a new house behind it. I would say Elizabeth's family has been there about a year or so. I think that family has had some hard times since Dale Sr. and Dale Jr. got caught with drugs, stolen guns, violated some probation, etc. etc. Not sure AB or the other sister (half sister) have been here the whole time? I do remember seeing the twin boys and a girl when they first got here.

guardianship for EA the half sister was filed in 2007


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:28:09 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And it's darn confusing at times ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:29:56 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And it's darn confusing at times ::MonkeyConfused::

It sure is.  No one pull out the Koolaid please and no tube socks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: shelby on October 29, 2009, 10:30:38 PM
Thanks for the welcome everyone.

RE: the boyfriend-(think he may be an ex-boyfriend)  maybe this is the post you saw, it was from the news trubune i think

" This is truely depressing what is going on lately. A teacher at JCHS killing himself and this horrible incident with Elizabeth Olten. I go to JCHS and I have hung out with her once or twice on occasion. I couldn't tell the differenece between her and everybody else. I'm sorry I feel very uncomfortable giving out her or my friends name. My friend is (was) her boyfriend. His house has been searched by FBI and other investigators the whole weekend trying to tie him and her together. People at school making up rumors that he helped and other such nonsense. People say that other people want to hurt my friend or worse. I can't believe it. I can't believe I knew her. "


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:30:59 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



I know what you mean. Do you think you could find me another sekrit decoder ring.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Oh sure!  For you, Fanny, anything!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I got an extra one in here somewhere.. <digs thru the box of super-duper top sekrit stuff> 

Had to have extras back in the Stacy Peterson case when one of our 'top researchers' in a private forum started seeing Stacy's body being transported on the back of a motorcycle.  But I digress....



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:31:34 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And it's darn confusing at times ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't know if we can keep this up till Nov 18th.
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 29, 2009, 10:32:03 PM
Night, All.

Early night for me - busy Halloweenie stuff tomorrow.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:32:33 PM
Tom - the night that Elizabeth went missing it was raining.  It was also raining like crazy for Thursday.  How could you get in and out of the woods without clothes being covered in mud?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:32:46 PM
Thanks for the welcome everyone.

RE: the boyfriend-(think he may be an ex-boyfriend)  maybe this is the post you saw, it was from the news trubune i think

" This is truely depressing what is going on lately. A teacher at JCHS killing himself and this horrible incident with Elizabeth Olten. I go to JCHS and I have hung out with her once or twice on occasion. I couldn't tell the differenece between her and everybody else. I'm sorry I feel very uncomfortable giving out her or my friends name. My friend is (was) her boyfriend. His house has been searched by FBI and other investigators the whole weekend trying to tie him and her together. People at school making up rumors that he helped and other such nonsense. People say that other people want to hurt my friend or worse. I can't believe it. I can't believe I knew her. "

Yes, that is the post I saw.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 10:33:10 PM

Did you know anything about the search warrant done on AB's house Friday night. Was it at the big house or the daycare? First the media said there was a search warrant, and then they said it was in reference to a traffic stop. ::MonkeyConfused::

From my understanding in talking to some LE that were there, it was the large newer house. That is where they all live. The older home is a day care, and appears to be shutdown, the sign has been down for a few weeks, but up keep is something not down around there if you saw any of the pictures.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:33:55 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



I know what you mean. Do you think you could find me another sekrit decoder ring.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Oh sure!  For you, Fanny, anything!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

I got an extra one in here somewhere.. <digs thru the box of super-duper top sekrit stuff> 

Had to have extras back in the Stacy Peterson case when one of our 'top researchers' in a private forum started seeing Stacy's body being transported on the back of a motorcycle.  But I digress....


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:35:32 PM
Night, All.

Early night for me - busy Halloweenie stuff tomorrow.



Good Night JILL.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:36:20 PM
A warm welcome to all our newest monkeys! 


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:38:36 PM
Nite Jill


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 10:39:45 PM

Thanks Tom. Would you say the family has connections in the area?  Since they have only been in the area about 5 years, it seems odd that they would be 'connected.'  But there are surely some gags being put on mouths in the area.

Not at all, no one really knows the family very well. Just a family from CA that flew in one day with some horses and bought a local home. They are not 'connected' from my observations, in fact they are kind of quite and to themselves, I bet some of their neighbors did not even know them at all, which is odd around here.

What surprises me is that they had to get a search warrant, from what I hear they refused to let LE in or really talk to them much. I think they had to go find a judge open up some doors after hours to get a search warrant issued. I think this happened right after AB took them to the body. The next day they were all gone, lights out.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:39:54 PM
HEY!!!  <peeking around the corner>  No mods!   

Wanna see Klaas come running with her clipboard?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Never seems to fail.  heh.  Course one of these days.... <giggles> 


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:41:15 PM
HEY!!!  <peeking around the corner>  No mods!   

Wanna see Klaas come running with her clipboard?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Never seems to fail.  heh.  Course one of these days.... <giggles> 


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Jumping on the bed  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:41:32 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And it's darn confusing at times ::MonkeyConfused::

It sure is.  No one pull out the Koolaid please and no tube socks.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::  at least YOU have a tin foil hat!!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:42:11 PM

Thanks Tom. Would you say the family has connections in the area?  Since they have only been in the area about 5 years, it seems odd that they would be 'connected.'  But there are surely some gags being put on mouths in the area.

Not at all, no one really knows the family very well. Just a family from CA that flew in one day with some horses and bought a local home. They are not 'connected' from my observations, in fact they are kind of quite and to themselves, I bet some of their neighbors did not even know them at all, which is odd around here.

What surprises me is that they had to get a search warrant, from what I hear they refused to let LE in or really talk to them much. I think they had to go find a judge open up some doors after hours to get a search warrant issued. I think this happened right after AB took them to the body. The next day they were all gone, lights out.





You mentioned the day care was closed a couple weeks ago , sign was down.  Any reason why they closed it?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 10:42:47 PM
Tom - the night that Elizabeth went missing it was raining.  It was also raining like crazy for Thursday.  How could you get in and out of the woods without clothes being covered in mud?

NO WAY POSSIBLE... They have never grew grass at the new house, it is built on a crappy hill, terrible yard, all mud. There would have had to be boots worn and dirty muddy clothes somewhere. It was a mess those few days around here.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:43:27 PM

I think KB is the bio grandmother of these kids, just not sure about GB relation as the last name is different than the suspect AB. So yes it could be his step family. I know GB personally, been to their homes, just been a few years since I have talked to him and we never talked about family relations, etc.


Or it could be that suspect AB's last name is from her bio dad (married name) to KB and GB's daughter?



Yes, that's my take on it.  Two different last names that begin with the letter 'B'. 

All this being careful stuff makes me feel like needing to git out my sekrit decoder ring.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And it's darn confusing at times ::MonkeyConfused::

It sure is.  No one pull out the Koolaid please and no tube socks.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::  at least YOU have a tin foil hat!!

For good reason !   ::MonkeyKiss::  You can have the monkey's though.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:44:26 PM
Tom - the night that Elizabeth went missing it was raining.  It was also raining like crazy for Thursday.  How could you get in and out of the woods without clothes being covered in mud?

NO WAY POSSIBLE... They have never grew grass at the new house, it is built on a crappy hill, terrible yard, all mud. There would have had to be boots worn and dirty muddy clothes somewhere. It was a mess those few days around here.

Hmmmm.. Wonder if LE has checked that pond near the house?    ::MonkeyEek::





Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
Thanks for the welcome everyone.

RE: the boyfriend-(think he may be an ex-boyfriend)  maybe this is the post you saw, it was from the news trubune i think

" This is truely depressing what is going on lately. A teacher at JCHS killing himself and this horrible incident with Elizabeth Olten. I go to JCHS and I have hung out with her once or twice on occasion. I couldn't tell the differenece between her and everybody else. I'm sorry I feel very uncomfortable giving out her or my friends name. My friend is (was) her boyfriend. His house has been searched by FBI and other investigators the whole weekend trying to tie him and her together. People at school making up rumors that he helped and other such nonsense. People say that other people want to hurt my friend or worse. I can't believe it. I can't believe I knew her. "

I saw that....if  this young man is not involved and I see nothing that indicates he is.....he is another victim of this evil young person. Bet he never looks at a potential girlfriend the same way again.

BTW  - like your avatar ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:45:59 PM
Night, All.

Early night for me - busy Halloweenie stuff tomorrow.



night jill...I am not far behind you


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:45:59 PM
Tom - the night that Elizabeth went missing it was raining.  It was also raining like crazy for Thursday.  How could you get in and out of the woods without clothes being covered in mud?

NO WAY POSSIBLE... They have never grew grass at the new house, it is built on a crappy hill, terrible yard, all mud. There would have had to be boots worn and dirty muddy clothes somewhere. It was a mess those few days around here.

or grandma could have pulled a Cindy and washed them.  At 15 AB could have washed them herself for that matter.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:49:20 PM
Oh hi, Muffy!   ::MonkeyAngel::  We're all very hard at work.   ::MonkeyTongue::


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Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2009, 10:50:03 PM
 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:50:16 PM

Thanks Tom. Would you say the family has connections in the area?  Since they have only been in the area about 5 years, it seems odd that they would be 'connected.'  But there are surely some gags being put on mouths in the area.

Not at all, no one really knows the family very well. Just a family from CA that flew in one day with some horses and bought a local home. They are not 'connected' from my observations, in fact they are kind of quite and to themselves, I bet some of their neighbors did not even know them at all, which is odd around here.

What surprises me is that they had to get a search warrant, from what I hear they refused to let LE in or really talk to them much. I think they had to go find a judge open up some doors after hours to get a search warrant issued. I think this happened right after AB took them to the body. The next day they were all gone, lights out.

Thanks Tom...some locals posting around the Internet seemed to indicate they were connected and somehow being  protected. I did hear they were gone....phone disconnected and gone. Oh now I am wondering about their horses and any other pets???


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
::MonkeySlide::

It wasn't me this time.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:52:36 PM
Tom - the night that Elizabeth went missing it was raining.  It was also raining like crazy for Thursday.  How could you get in and out of the woods without clothes being covered in mud?

NO WAY POSSIBLE... They have never grew grass at the new house, it is built on a crappy hill, terrible yard, all mud. There would have had to be boots worn and dirty muddy clothes somewhere. It was a mess those few days around here.

or grandma could have pulled a Cindy and washed them.  At 15 AB could have washed them herself for that matter.

Well, if Missouri is anything like Nebraska, they may have what's known as a 'mud room'.  Come in the back way all muddy from the farm/yard, and leave boots/clothes right there before coming into the house itself.  Very handy as it typically is where we have our washer/dryer too. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Northern Rose on October 29, 2009, 10:52:56 PM
Nite all, this flu has me dizzy again.  Have to lay down.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 29, 2009, 10:53:31 PM
Night all...RIP Elizabeth....BURN IN HELL, AB


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
::MonkeySlide::

It wasn't me this time.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: 


 ::MonkeyJnBox::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 29, 2009, 10:54:37 PM
Nite all, this flu has me dizzy again.  Have to lay down.

Good night.  Hope you feel better soon.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:55:24 PM
Nite all, this flu has me dizzy again.  Have to lay down.

Oh Dear! Take care of yourself.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:56:07 PM
Night all...RIP Elizabeth....BURN IN HELL, AB

Good Night SUNNY.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 10:58:19 PM
Tom - the night that Elizabeth went missing it was raining.  It was also raining like crazy for Thursday.  How could you get in and out of the woods without clothes being covered in mud?

NO WAY POSSIBLE... They have never grew grass at the new house, it is built on a crappy hill, terrible yard, all mud. There would have had to be boots worn and dirty muddy clothes somewhere. It was a mess those few days around here.

or grandma could have pulled a Cindy and washed them.  At 15 AB could have washed them herself for that matter.

Well, if Missouri is anything like Nebraska, they may have what's known as a 'mud room'.  Come in the back way all muddy from the farm/yard, and leave boots/clothes right there before coming into the house itself.  Very handy as it typically is where we have our washer/dryer too. 


Yes, and AB could have taken care of it herself. Grandma could have been busy elsewhere, since Tom says the DayCare had been closed down for a couple of weeks.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 11:00:19 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:01:40 PM
TOMSMITH99, do you know of any reason they would have settled there in St Martins? It seems so odd they showed up, and left so quickly.

JMO, but AB seemed to be close to her brothers, and I wonder if she told them what happened or even if they might have been there....This is all so strange.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:03:47 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE

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I wonder if he is kin to BOZO?  ::MonkeyEek::    (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 11:04:38 PM

Hmmmm.. Wonder if LE has checked that pond near the house?    ::MonkeyEek::


Yes I saw an AP photo credit to Kelley McCall, boat in it and people and ATV on the bank. I think it was one of the first areas searched as you have to go by it to get to Elizabeth's home.



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 11:07:51 PM

BLOCKED WEBSITE



I wonder if he is kin to BOZO?  ::MonkeyEek::    (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 11:08:55 PM

Hmmmm.. Wonder if LE has checked that pond near the house?    ::MonkeyEek::


Yes I saw an AP photo credit to Kelley McCall, boat in it and people and ATV on the bank. I think it was one of the first areas searched as you have to go by it to get to Elizabeth's home.



Ahhhh, that's good to know!  Thanks Tom! 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 29, 2009, 11:11:17 PM
TOMSMITH99, do you know of any reason they would have settled there in St Martins? It seems so odd they showed up, and left so quickly.

JMO, but AB seemed to be close to her brothers, and I wonder if she told them what happened or even if they might have been there....This is all so strange.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

No really don't know. I know the grandfather was working in Jefferson City as an IT consultant, then decided to move here. The job was long term so it is not odd for out of towners to end up buying homes and moving here. That job ended a few years ago, so now I think he travels out of town during the week. Really is a nice area, Jefferson City / Columbia and all the rural towns.

Let me clarrify, not sure when the day care shutdown, sign has been down a few weeks but I have not paid much attention until this popped up, now it appears to be closed, but so does their primary house. I bet they will be back, just maybe had to get away for a few days.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:15:26 PM
TOMSMITH99, do you know of any reason they would have settled there in St Martins? It seems so odd they showed up, and left so quickly.

JMO, but AB seemed to be close to her brothers, and I wonder if she told them what happened or even if they might have been there....This is all so strange.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

No really don't know. I know the grandfather was working in Jefferson City as an IT consultant, then decided to move here. The job was long term so it is not odd for out of towners to end up buying homes and moving here. That job ended a few years ago, so now I think he travels out of town during the week. Really is a nice area, Jefferson City / Columbia and all the rural towns.

Let me clarrify, not sure when the day care shutdown, sign has been down a few weeks but I have not paid much attention until this popped up, now it appears to be closed, but so does their primary house. I bet they will be back, just maybe had to get away for a few days.


Yes, I have been through that area many times, and it is quite beautiful and mostly a genteel type of area. When these things happen, it always amazes me that such bad things can happen in such lovely places.


Was GB's IT work with the government by chance?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 11:16:09 PM
Ya know, I'd be worried if my defense atty seemed to spend so much time on the net, in order to know that are "at least 15 different Web sites and blogs, and there's been a lot of speculation".  (see link provided upthread)

I mean, isn't it his job to prepare for the hearings and such?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm out here on the net everyday, all day long now that I'm retired, and I didn't even know there were THAT many sites/blogs etc discussing this case.  LOL 



Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:22:07 PM
Ya know, I'd be worried if my defense atty seemed to spend so much time on the net, in order to know that are "at least 15 different Web sites and blogs, and there's been a lot of speculation".  (see link provided upthread)

I mean, isn't it his job to prepare for the hearings and such?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm out here on the net everyday, all day long now that I'm retired, and I didn't even know there were THAT many sites/blogs etc discussing this case.  LOL 



I think that is part of the law school curriculum to claim their client can't get a fair trial because of the internet and the bloggers and too much publicity.  Blah! Blah! Blah!  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Wyks on October 29, 2009, 11:29:41 PM
Ya know, I'd be worried if my defense atty seemed to spend so much time on the net, in order to know that are "at least 15 different Web sites and blogs, and there's been a lot of speculation".  (see link provided upthread)

I mean, isn't it his job to prepare for the hearings and such?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm out here on the net everyday, all day long now that I'm retired, and I didn't even know there were THAT many sites/blogs etc discussing this case.  LOL 



I think that is part of the law school curriculum to claim their client can't get a fair trial because of the internet and the bloggers and too much publicity.  Blah! Blah! Blah!  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Yeppers!  Must be law 101.a 

Wonder what they did back before there were blogs/forums etc to so easily blame? 

<Dang carrier pigeons.. just can't find a decent one to trust anymore> 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Fanny Mae on October 29, 2009, 11:32:11 PM
I was trying to stay up for the cage change, but it looks slow in coming. My cats and my hubby are staring me down, so I guess I'll turn out the light.

Good Night ya'll, and God Bless.  ::MonkeyAngel::
(http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/smiley-sleepy-bedtime-good-night.gif)


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: shelby on October 29, 2009, 11:37:36 PM
Don't know if this was posted or not, her best friends myspace
http://www.myspace.com/totallyavalleygirl

"☼ Smooth Criminal luvz alyssa 4eva♫☼alyssa i love you...we were supposed to hang when this happened.....you are in my prayers
Mood:hiding something 
Posted at 1:52 AM Oct 27 from Mobile"

"Who I'd like to meet:
As the clouds turned gray in the sky, your brought the rain.you walked onto a puddle and disappeared. When you fell some part of me, too, died. Standing in the rain waitin for you. I cried. You..ll never return. ill miss u alyssa :(("

Some pics of AB in the album 'moved away'...I think the girl who belongs to this myspace lives in WA?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: sleddogs on October 29, 2009, 11:54:08 PM
Killing, cutting

Fencing?

http://askfred.net/Results/results.php?tournament_id=2656


Looks like she was on the YMCA Fencing Team


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 11:55:56 PM
Don't know if this was posted or not, her best friends myspace
http://www.myspace.com/totallyavalleygirl

"☼ Smooth Criminal luvz alyssa 4eva♫☼alyssa i love you...we were supposed to hang when this happened.....you are in my prayers
Mood:hiding something 
Posted at 1:52 AM Oct 27 from Mobile"

"Who I'd like to meet:
As the clouds turned gray in the sky, your brought the rain.you walked onto a puddle and disappeared. When you fell some part of me, too, died. Standing in the rain waitin for you. I cried. You..ll never return. ill miss u alyssa :(("

Some pics of AB in the album 'moved away'...I think the girl who belongs to this myspace lives in WA?

Yes.  I have a couple pics from her album saved.  I'm asking that photos of AB not be posted yet. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 29, 2009, 11:57:03 PM
Killing, cutting

Fencing?

http://askfred.net/Results/results.php?tournament_id=2656


Looks like she was on the YMCA Fencing Team

Geez


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: janetruth on October 30, 2009, 01:30:43 AM
Ya know, I'd be worried if my defense atty seemed to spend so much time on the net, in order to know that are "at least 15 different Web sites and blogs, and there's been a lot of speculation".  (see link provided upthread)

I mean, isn't it his job to prepare for the hearings and such?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm out here on the net everyday, all day long now that I'm retired, and I didn't even know there were THAT many sites/blogs etc discussing this case.  LOL 



I'd say that's a conservative estimate.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: coffeetx on October 30, 2009, 02:40:05 AM
Hi to everyone,
Well this case is making me sick.  Why is this girl being so protected? I finally found out her name, the youtube link, mypspace.  I am so tired of this girl being protected.  She does not deserve it.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 07:09:13 AM
Good morning  :sunny:  I'm hoping today will bring new developments and move closer to justice for Elizabeth Olten. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: jill on October 30, 2009, 07:13:43 AM
good morning, All.

Checking in then off to urgent care for this two week cold that has settled in my chest.  Lovely.  Maybe I'll get good medicine and can join you all for some fun bed-jumping antics this evening, lol.

I'm expecting a greater onslaught of defense atty minions canvassing the net today for damage control.

It probably would have been better for AB's defense if there had never been secrecy about her, imo.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 08:00:17 AM
good morning, All.

Checking in then off to urgent care for this two week cold that has settled in my chest.  Lovely.  Maybe I'll get good medicine and can join you all for some fun bed-jumping antics this evening, lol.

I'm expecting a greater onslaught of defense atty minions canvassing the net today for damage control.

It probably would have been better for AB's defense if there had never been secrecy about her, imo.

Good morning Jill.  ITA about the defense atty minions & damage control.  And the attempts at secrecy may very well come back to haunt some, in that it may cause a much closer look at not only this case and how it's being handled, but may open a big can of worms on what's happened in the past.  Just what's being covered up and why?  For whom?  This case is going to end up being like a great big red pimple on their  nose that pops up the day of the prom for this area if they don't get it straightened out now.  It's hard to hide and everyone can see it.  And the more they attempt to squeeze at it, the more it's going to erupt.  There isn't enough clearasil cover for it.  JMHO


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: tomsmith99 on October 30, 2009, 08:11:51 AM


Yes, I have been through that area many times, and it is quite beautiful and mostly a genteel type of area. When these things happen, it always amazes me that such bad things can happen in such lovely places.


Was GB's IT work with the government by chance?

Yes, he was a contractor for a state government agency.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 30, 2009, 08:15:40 AM
I've already seen this morning that there are people out there that are making it their personal mission to spread the full name of AB as the murderer. It's getting ugly out there.This is one example but I've seen another poster that has the same post repeating itself on a lot of the newsites.



http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html (http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html)  This is the second paragraph of the post.

Why ? So she may have a fair trial ? Pfft. It is likely that she'd be charged as an adult in relation to what I would call her horrific actions. Apparently she was keen enough to have buried the child's body deep and far enough into the woods for cadaver dogs to miss the scent trace. So I am going to do my damnest to make her name known. This teenager has an obvious early set psychosis and needs to be put away for the remainder of her young life. Her sick Twitter posts can be found online and they are 'dark' to say the least.






Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
After this post, there are 18 more to go before we get a new cage.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: cookie on October 30, 2009, 09:08:52 AM
morning all... ::MonkeyBike:: waiting for the new cage...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: shelby on October 30, 2009, 09:14:48 AM
I've already seen this morning that there are people out there that are making it their personal mission to spread the full name of AB as the murderer. It's getting ugly out there.This is one example but I've seen another poster that has the same post repeating itself on a lot of the newsites.



http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html (http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html)  This is the second paragraph of the post.

Why ? So she may have a fair trial ? Pfft. It is likely that she'd be charged as an adult in relation to what I would call her horrific actions. Apparently she was keen enough to have buried the child's body deep and far enough into the woods for cadaver dogs to miss the scent trace. So I am going to do my damnest to make her name known. This teenager has an obvious early set psychosis and needs to be put away for the remainder of her young life. Her sick Twitter posts can be found online and they are 'dark' to say the least.



I don't know, I read the twitter posts-am I the only one who doesn't think they were that sick? Maybe I missed something?


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 30, 2009, 09:26:18 AM
good morning, All.

Checking in then off to urgent care for this two week cold that has settled in my chest.  Lovely.  Maybe I'll get good medicine and can join you all for some fun bed-jumping antics this evening, lol.

I'm expecting a greater onslaught of defense atty minions canvassing the net today for damage control.

It probably would have been better for AB's defense if there had never been secrecy about her, imo.

Good Morning jill!  Glad you are going to get some medical treatment and hope you feel better quickly!~ :bigup:


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 09:26:29 AM
morning all... ::MonkeyBike:: waiting for the new cage...

Me too.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: espresso on October 30, 2009, 09:27:01 AM
I didn't think it was that sick either but I think that knowing what she's done make people read it differently. I don't know. I was a pretty angst ridden teenager back in the day, of course we didn't have twitter or the internet so my quotes were written on my jean jacket or notebook covers. If someone took the time to interpret them I might've been considered seriously disturbed but it was just a form of expression meant more for drama than anything. Were there signs with AB? I haven't a clue.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 30, 2009, 09:30:54 AM
I've already seen this morning that there are people out there that are making it their personal mission to spread the full name of AB as the murderer. It's getting ugly out there.This is one example but I've seen another poster that has the same post repeating itself on a lot of the newsites.



http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html (http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html)  This is the second paragraph of the post.

Why ? So she may have a fair trial ? Pfft. It is likely that she'd be charged as an adult in relation to what I would call her horrific actions. Apparently she was keen enough to have buried the child's body deep and far enough into the woods for cadaver dogs to miss the scent trace. So I am going to do my damnest to make her name known. This teenager has an obvious early set psychosis and needs to be put away for the remainder of her young life. Her sick Twitter posts can be found online and they are 'dark' to say the least.

Thanks...this person is pizzed.....and I don't blame him/her!!  I am not so sure about the family helping her...but I am nearly to the point that nothing, nothing can surprise me anymore...shock me, YES...cruelty always shocks me to my core..but doesn't surprise me. ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
After this post, there are 18 more to go before we get a new cage.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeySlide::  Hey Muffy. 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2009, 09:37:57 AM
I've already seen this morning that there are people out there that are making it their personal mission to spread the full name of AB as the murderer. It's getting ugly out there.This is one example but I've seen another poster that has the same post repeating itself on a lot of the newsites.



http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html (http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/rnr/1443617706.html)  This is the second paragraph of the post.

Why ? So she may have a fair trial ? Pfft. It is likely that she'd be charged as an adult in relation to what I would call her horrific actions. Apparently she was keen enough to have buried the child's body deep and far enough into the woods for cadaver dogs to miss the scent trace. So I am going to do my damnest to make her name known. This teenager has an obvious early set psychosis and needs to be put away for the remainder of her young life. Her sick Twitter posts can be found online and they are 'dark' to say the least.

Thanks...this person is pizzed.....and I don't blame him/her!!  I am not so sure about the family helping her...but I am nearly to the point that nothing, nothing can surprise me anymore...shock me, YES...cruelty always shocks me to my core..but doesn't surprise me. ::MonkeyTears::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 09:38:15 AM
After this post, there are 18 more to go before we get a new cage.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeySlide::  Hey Muffy. 

Good morning Trimmy  ::bee:: 


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2009, 09:48:54 AM
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID1168/slideshows/Elizabeth%20Olten.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: klaasend on October 30, 2009, 09:54:46 AM
Muffy - you got the thread change?  I ask because I'm barely awake so it would be a good thing if you got it  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 09:56:01 AM
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID1168/slideshows/Elizabeth%20Olten.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you for posting Elizabeth's picture, Trimm.  She had a lovely, sweet face.  Her picture reinforces again  she was a young girl who left this earth much too soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 09:57:36 AM
Muffy - you got the thread change?  I ask because I'm barely awake so it would be a good thing if you got it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I got it all sighted in, Klaas.     ::Baseball::   Have some coffee and come back and see us when you wake up.  I've been catching up on my filing while waiting this a.m.  (Both nails and paper...)   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: cookie on October 30, 2009, 09:58:09 AM
(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID1168/slideshows/Elizabeth%20Olten.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you for posting Elizabeth's picture, Trimm.  She had a lovely, sweet face.  Her picture reinforces again  she was a young girl who left this earth much too soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::

amen to that~


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 10:01:16 AM
I think Klaas is just letting me have practice at changing threads.   I'll bet she has opened and closed many a thread not only half asleep, but probably while she was asleep.   ::MonkeyJnBox::   


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MonkeyinSC on October 30, 2009, 10:02:00 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys

Thought I'd throw up a quick post to help move towards the new thread.

::MonkeyCat::


Justice for Sweet Elizabeth !!


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 10:04:26 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys

Thought I'd throw up a quick post to help move towards the new thread.

::MonkeyCat::


Justice for Sweet Elizabeth !!

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 10:06:17 AM
Hold on to your coffee mugs...it's time to go!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 10:07:30 AM
 ::MonkeySlide::  And we're off...


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2009, 10:07:33 AM
I think Klaas is just letting me have practice at changing threads.   I'll bet she has opened and closed many a thread not only half asleep, but probably while she was asleep.   ::MonkeyJnBox::   

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: MuffyBee on October 30, 2009, 10:07:44 AM

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/LOCKED2.gif)

Please move to Elizabeth Olten thread #2: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6380.0


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 30, 2009, 10:08:13 AM
Let's go!   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: Searching on October 30, 2009, 10:09:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuavXaJjuqw

an ending note for cage change.


Title: Re: Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (body found) #1
Post by: SunnyinTX on October 30, 2009, 10:10:57 AM
I think Klaas is just letting me have practice at changing threads.   I'll bet she has opened and closed many a thread not only half asleep, but probably while she was asleep.   ::MonkeyJnBox::   


 ::MonkeyJnBox::  Hi  Bee