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Post info here.  Since LE hasn't come out and said the name, anything posted is speculation.  Most of us have seen and are pretty sure who this girl is.

This is a unconfirmed post on the AOL news site:

http://news.aol.com/article/15-year-old-girl-held-in-slaying-of/734317

 
PLEASE DO NOT POST PHOTOS YET.  I NEED TO GET RED'S OK BEFORE WE DO THAT.  I HAVE ALL THE PHOTOS AND SITES CAPTURED AND WILL POST WHEN IT'S OK.  IT'S OK TO POST LINKS TO THE VARIOUS WEBSITES FOR THE SUSPECT.

Twitter:

http://twitter.com/alyssadailene

Thanks to those of you who helped me to finally figure out the name.  I have heard many supposed facts as to the motive and all that, but some have been so off-base, it makes me wonder if any of the others have any truth to them.  I suppose it will all come to light in the coming days.  Again, the families will be in my prayers.  Good night all.   

Myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/ramen_noodles_w00t

Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=alyssa+dailene+bustamante&init=quick

Only students in the exit grade are eligible for this award.

They must earn a 3.5 or better grade point average and achieve in the 85th percentile or higher in math or reading on a standardized test.

http://**/articles/2005/06/14/community/0614050041.txt

Northern Rose - the links are good.  Thanks!

I just want to repeat.  These are all links available on the internet for someone we are almost 100% sure is the suspect in this murder case. 

A comment posted by one of her friends:

October 27, 2009 4:31 PM
ill miss u alyssa.....why u do it

Friend comment:

October 27, 2009 - Tuesday 
 my best friend alyssa
Current mood:  sad
Category: Life
why? i love you soo much. i miss you and i wish you were here to ease thepain. :( i feel sooo alone now. you were a close friend...goodbye ur in my prayers..hope ill visit u again 

one of my friends turned out to be a serial killer....who would have guessed
Mood: disturbed
Posted at 4:25 PM Oct 25 from Mobile

This is also from a friend on Myspace

seconds from the end; what's it gonna be? pull the trigger, bitch.Mood: dropdead.
Posted 16 hours ago


It's a line from a song--you can see the lyrics at the link--(some really angry kids out there, seems like they are really hurting over this.)

http://www.lyricsdir.com/suicide-silence-no-pity-for-a-coward-lyrics.html (http://www.lyricsdir.com/suicide-silence-no-pity-for-a-coward-lyrics.html)

I was thinking the same thing, President's Award for Educational Excellence. I don't think this kid is stupid, maybe troubled, but not dumb.

This award was started to help students achieve academically by rewarding them.

Only students in the exit grade are eligible for this award. They must earn a 3.5 or better grade point average and achieve in the 85th percentile or higher in math or reading on a standardized test.

The maternal grandmother of this 15 y.o. was granted custody of her and her two brothers (twins?) in 2005.  Her maternal grandmother was subsequently granted custody of this suspect's half-sister in 2009.

The half-sister is who Elizabeth was visiting on the afternoon of her murder.

This suspect's father is serving 10 years in prison for 1st and 2nd degree assault.  Her mother is on 2 years unsupervised probation for drugs.

The grandfather of this suspect (and I'm assuming grandmother as well) have prior addresses in LaJolla, Pleasanton, and Hollister California.  I found a 2003 article that states a child with the same name as this suspect won a 4th place ribbon in an equestrian event in Hollister, CA.

From all accounts and from digging through myspace - reading the suspects own words - she appeared to be healthy at least up until 2007.  After that, I have been unable to find any writing except what is found on cahced versions of her myspace, and what is on her twitter.

Again, from all accounts and reading messages on her friend's myspaces the last couple of days, I see nothing out of the ordinary with this suspect.  Of course, she may well have hidden her thoughts from her friends, and not published anything on the i-net re: her thoughts or compulsions.

Imo, that only just makes this entire situation even more of a puzzle.  And even more scary.

Well that makes sense, I always thought the kids were kind of young for GB (grandfather) to have fathered. I do know they moved from CA to Missouri about 5 years ago.

As far as publishing her thoughts and compulsions, it is odd that her high school journalism teacher committed suicide on Monday. According to the local paper Sherriff Greg White was the last person to talk to him?

http://www.**/articles/2009/10/29/news_local/063local11currie09.txt

the full story is in the e-Edition (paid subscription) I actually get the News Tribune.

Cole County Sheriff Greg While once was a school resource officer at the high school - and was the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday.

Cole County Sheriff Greg While once was a school resource officer at the high school - and was the last person to talk with Currie before he died Monday.
   ::MonkeyEek::  Since I don't believe in coincidences, all I'm going to say is there has to be a connection here.

oh God.

This is absolutely crazy.

NORose, I so agree.

thanks for this, tom.

Is there any discussion between the locals on this?  Was it really a suicide?

Yes it was a suicide Monday morning at his home. When the school board had setup a meeting over the weekend, I think they had already realized the public school system not only hosted the victim, but the suspected murderer. Of course they meet behind closed doors.

http://www.**/articles/2009/10/28/news_local/065local10closedmeeting09.txt

maybe the teacher was the one who turned in some pieces of writing the suspect wrote?  are we sure that the written evidence came from a diary?

 
 
 
High school teacher found dead at home

Author:    Jeff Haldiman and Bob Watson nt@**
Date: October 27, 2009
Publication: Jefferson City News-Tribune (MO)
Page: 1
 
From the News Tribune e-Edition

A longtime Jefferson City public school teacher was found dead at his home early Monday morning. Police were called to the home of Bill Currie on Windsor Drive around 6:50 a.m. Details about his death were still being investigated Monday, but authorities were dispatched to the home as a suicide call.

A firearm reportedly was involved.

"We are deeply saddened to learn of the loss of Jefferson City High School teacher Bill Currie," Superintendent Dr. Brian...

I am new here but have read the whole forum while waiting to be approved by the admin.

I just have to say this. I live in Ohio and do not know or have never heard of the grandparents until this story came out. We don't know if the grandparents have called Elizabeth's mother or not, hopefully she has. I am a grandparent raising a grandchild, and my sister has one of my grandchildren. My girl is 9 and her brother (that my sister has) is 8. Because of their former lives they are both on meds. Samantha is doing pretty good, but poor Jeremy is having a rough way to go. When he was 5 my sister was lying on the couch pretending to be asleep, when she wouldn't answer him he put his hands around her neck and proceeded to choke her. They were so tight that she could not get them loose, she knocked a lamp off the table which made my BIL come running into the room and he had to pry his hands loose. Both of us are constantly visiting dr.s and therapist, luckily now they both have good in both fields. But it has been a real battle for the past 6 years. The path that Jeremy was on, I could completely see him doing something like this when he got older.
Well anyway the point I am trying to get at is the grandparents may have been doing whatever they could. I agree that this child should be charged as an adult. Unless they have such social disorder that they can not function then they DO know right from wrong.
Thanks for all of the info!

Welcome to both TomSmith and Lenie!

Lenie, I agree with what you say.  From everything that I have seen about this suspect and her family, her grandparents made a huge effort to give her and her sibs a stable life.

I guess we will have to wait and see what "extenuating circumstances" may have occurred, which her lawyer stated.

That is a good possibility, for some reason in my mind I thought it was another juvenile that turned something over. Here is what the paper had posted, which leaves it open to your angle.


from the News Tribune

White said Friday, and repeated Saturday, that some physical and written evidence led investigators to question the suspect, who then led them to the location where the body was found.

whole story
http://www.**/articles/2009/10/24/news_local/068local02olten09.txt

WELCOME, and thank-you for sharing your story. How horribly sad, and you are right, the grandparents could have been doing everything to help, or they could have swept all of the suspects problems under the rug. I'm sure we will hear more in the coming weeks. I certainly hope that Jeremy is on the right path, for all of your sakes  ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes, I believe another juvenile turned something over.

I would partially agree as I know they had to get a search warrant to gain access to the home, the grandparents denied the LE access to their house on Friday. Someone that was there said most LE involved thought there should be obstruction of justice charges filed.

They have since vanished, both houses are dark and empty.

I am sure that would be a tough postion to be in, thinking a family member could have done such a terrible thing. I still think I would cooperate with the LE though.

He is doing much better now. I just don't understand how all the therapist and dr.s love to say "well they are just a child". I think if we could start catching these disturbing behaviors when the child is a lot younger then maybe some things can be done to prevent these type of things from happening. Prevention is the best medicine. I think there are just too many ignoring the signs.  I do hope that the grandparents were doing their over extended part, some times I think that the parents who put their kids through all of this should be charged for something also. But that is a whole 'nother forum :) These parents just do not consider the consequences to other people of their actions. Personally I was ready to be a grandparent. I was not wanting to have another child, now I would not exchange it for the world.  Ok enough of my ramblings.

Hi! I wanted to say hello and welcome to tomsmith and Lenie! We're glad you're here!  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm glad to hear that  ::MonkeyAngel::  I can't figure this out either, well they are just a child. And some of the famous serial killers were just a child also when they started killing animals.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks, I drive by the crime scene daily. You always hear about these stories on CNN, FoxNews, Nancy Grace, but they are not suppose to happen in 'your' backyard !!!

I will say, that for all of the b.s. we hear from one person or another during cases, that it is my opinion that actions speak so much louder than words.

I try to remember that when we hear from this lawyer or that.

Tomsmith, this is a perfect example of how actions speak so loudly.  These actions of the grandparents lead me to believe that they already knew the truth on Friday.

I'm sure it's really upsetting. It kind of puts a perspective on the stories we come to know through the news. They are all  happening in somebody's backyard.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have to say that I am touched by what your community has given to Elizabeth - the search and the balloons yesterday.

 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME TO ALL NEW MONKEYS   ::cartwheel::

No idea if Grandma called the mother.  Mother has a long history with the courts and has very recently been a guest there and received 2 years probation.  Prior to this there are other charges which would indicate addiction.  Not sure it would do any good to call the mother based on all the court records.

Nancy Grace now has a Blog http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
Please leave comments on each of the cases so they stay in the headlines.  For Elizabeth's case there are some locals that are doing there best not to have her story remain in the news, the local media is not covering any developments in the  case live and are taking up to 24 hours to update their sites with news.  If we stay on Nancy maybe the local media will actually do some investigative reporting on all the cases.  Regardless of what you think of Nancy she does keep cases on a National level if there is interest and all these children deserve not to be forgotten until Justice is served.

The last blog for Elizabeth. Please let her know we want this to remain in the news.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/neighbors-say-elizabeth%e2%80%99s-friends%e2%80%99-home-was-searched-is-there-a-connection-to-the-killer-2/#comments

I posted a few things over on Nancy Grace's forum. Jill if you want to add anything follow the link their board is easy to post to, don't have to join.

Just a suggestions and by no means telling anyone what to do, could we keep discussions to the other thread and leave this one for information and links on the suspect?  It would help me to see what links have been posted already as we can release more info and  keep the discussion in one area.  Just a thought.

Singsnap recordings (TY espresso!)

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/member/wolf_heart

Videos make by Alyssa

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage#p/u/1/FVu8wglJ6Jw

 ::MonkeyShocked::
Did anyone notice her hobbies on that one?!

not sure if I am quoting ok...

This case is so sad and disturbing.  I am wondering how many of her friends and family laughed or brushed off warning signs.  Hobbies = killing people and cutting. That was posted a year ago.   I am not holding them responsible. I am just thinking about my 9 nieces and I know that I will be taking their "teen ramblings, doodles and scribbles" a little more serious.   

She is in the one about the electric fence. Hi everyone.

That is exactly what I was feeling.  Most teenage melodrama is just that, but at what point do family or friends start talking to the girl and seeing if there is any substance to her statements. 

posted in comments @
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2333070/elizabeth_olten_case_15yearold_girl.html

(Guest)
Alyssa Bustamante aged 15 allegedly killed Elizabeth Olten aged 9. Alyssa Bustamante is the older sister of the girl that Elizabeth Olten went to visit the day she was allegedly murdered by Alyssa Bustamante. Alyssa Bustamante allegedly planned the murder well in advance by allegedly digging a grave prior to her allegedly murdering Elizabeth Olten. Alyssa Bustamante has a parent currently incarcerated for a felony. You can browse to: Search for: Missouri Department of Corrections Offender Search Search by the name Caesar Bustamante to get a better idea of the type of family we are talking about here. Add a Comment Posted on 10/30/2009 at 1:10:18 AM

I'm confused, so it's NOW okay to post her name in full in here  :smt102

I didn't know we were not supposed to  ::MonkeyShocked:: I have not been able to keep up in here w/ everything else I do...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I probably haven't read all the posts because I keep getting lost as far as figuring out what to click on.  (I'm old and senile).  However, I did go back to some older ones and tried to view AB's MySpace and Twitter pages, and nothing happens.  Have they been banned by the powers that be?  And does everyone else know this except for me since I haven't been able to access all the blogs? 

Thank you my fellow monkeys.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi skyler, I don't think many monkeys are checking out this thread right now, if you post your question here

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6380.620

I'm sure you'll get a response. xx

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:MScU1FsJQo0J:www.freewebs.com/cherry_garcia5588/+%22she+feels+like+everything+under+this+roof+effing+belongs+to+her%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Read Wednesday February 25, 2009

Her twitter was erased but Klaas has screen shots from before.  Myspace is private.

I am new here also, this particular case brought me here, and I really like this forum.
I am very worried about what is going on with our children. I feel that they are becoming desensitized to violence. People are so self-absorbed and feel entitled, and I think this is raising a new generation of kids that don't value human life, IMO. Not all children, of course! If the conditions are ripe, I mean.
I agree totally that people should be more educated to the signs exhibited by disturbed children, this world is so crazy, though and parents are preoccupied with work to stay afloat financially. Its just scary all the way around. I dont know whats going to happen.
Lenie, good luck with your Grandchildren they are lucky to have you in their lives!

 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME annemarie   ::cartwheel::

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchandlisten/play/c5e1806a?perpage=9c1ab&proceed=9b1c6

Wolf_Heart = Alyssa

comments on her singing Creed's 'One Last Breath'
Recording: Dec 17, 2007 at 8:34 PM

1 day ago, ihatechildkillers said:
you stink

1 day ago, ihatechildkillers said:
i hope you burn in hell for killing that little girl

1 day ago, Reneelandrum said:
thanks to you Elizabeth is 6 feet down for no reason. why didn't u put urself six feet under. Sing in jail u evil trick. n ur singing is AWFUL!

1 day ago, FullThrottleGOLD said:
Alyssa, I really couldnt believe it when Jenny told me what you had done. You need so much help and now I am afraid you will never receive the help you so desperately needed. I hope that some day you will realize that what you have done is ruined your life, your families lives, and the lives of anyone who knew that little girl. I dont know if you will ever get a chance to read this, because it will be taken off line just like your other accounts, Im sure of that. I dont know how to feel about this. I hate what you have done. I cannot judge you because my GOD says that he is the only one to judge us. I know that somewhere in your heart there is love, and I hope that someday you figure out where it is and how you can love instead of hate, forgive and forget, and pull yourself out of whatever demon inside you made you do such a thing. May God be with your family to help them through all that they will be coping with after this is over for you. I know your little sister is probably never going to be able to forgive you for taking away her little friend, but I hope she can learn to live a life without this tearing her apart as many things have torn you apart. I also know that your siblings are going to go through a lot of torture from harsh kids who will connect them to you, even though this has nothing to do with them. I hope you have a long, long, long sentence in prison to think about these things.

I wont hide behind a fake name. I am sorry that I ever knew of you or heard of you because now I have to live with the fact that I knew of a killer of children. It's been on my mind since Jenny told me. Jenny is in pieces over it. Not over the fact that you are going to prison and are an evil person, but over the life of that poor child you took away from her family.

Sam

1 day ago, keea27 said:
i hope you get the death penalty u fu**** bitch!!! n as a mother i wish i could kill u myself!!!! i hope u get whats comin 2 you!!! dat lil girl was someones baby...U SHOULD HAVE JUST KILLED YOURSELF INSTEAD CUZ THEN NOONE WOULD HAVE CARED!!! n i hope all the mothers in your jail make it HELL 4 YOU cuz thats where u belong!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 day ago, keea27 said:
BTW UR SONG FU**** SUCKS BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 day ago, wrldhealer said:
I don't even have to say it...wow. Prepare to get some broomsticks shoved in you while in prison :)

1 day ago, prisonsuxUwillC said:
You're going to prison little girl. That sucks for you. Why couldn't you have taken yourself rather the innocent little girl. You ruined two families and your sister will forever be haunted. YOU SUCK! ROT IN HELL!

1 day ago, annoak said:
i think its kinda sad people want to write bad stuff on here. ya all know where she is at and that she wont be reading any of it. lets not forget her family has basically lost a child too and they are the ones than will more than likely be reading what you write.

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About 18 hours ago, apples199324GOLD said:
apples199324 just got between a huge fight wow!
 
i am torn over this i cant believe it sam u are right this is how i feel me and alyssa were best friends and im nothing like her this is horrible. i dont know how to get over it. Its killing me inside this poor little baby is gone. i cant forgive myself for being friends with someone that killed elizabeth but i never could have known that alyssa would have done this. im going to the court date on november 18th. im not missing it for the world....im so hurt over this i cant imagine what alyssa grandparents and twin brothers.....im sorry ur friend is gone emma....


Jenny

Wolf_Heart = Alyssa

comments on her singing 'Here without You'  3 Doors Down
Recording: Nov 2, 2007 at 3:00 PM

1 day ago, dipshit said:
this should be takin off of here for the sake of the 9yr old she ..................... you know what happened

1 day ago, ihatechildkillers said:
sucks

1 day ago, Reneelandrum said:
I bet n.e. time Elizabeth's Olten's family's hear the words to this song they will remember her pretty face n beautiful spirit. It's ashamed u r the 1 singing this. Everyone will be without you know THANK GOD! ROT IN JAIL FOREVER!

 1 day ago, tookie said:
what was she thinking when she was killing that poor girl? mabye while she is rotting in jail somebody will beat her up untill death! she ruined that whole family! have a good time in HELL!!! by:< 11 year old sidney:(

1 day ago, FullThrottleGOLD said:
Alyssa, I really couldnt believe it when Jenny told me what you had done. You need so much help and now I am afraid you will never receive the help you so desperately needed. I hope that some day you will realize that what you have done is ruined your life, your families lives, and the lives of anyone who knew that little girl. I dont know if you will ever get a chance to read this, because it will be taken off line just like your other accounts, Im sure of that. I dont know how to feel about this. I hate what you have done. I cannot judge you because my GOD says that he is the only one to judge us. I know that somewhere in your heart there is love, and I hope that someday you figure out where it is and how you can love instead of hate, forgive and forget, and pull yourself out of whatever demon inside you made you do such a thing. May God be with your family to help them through all that they will be coping with after this is over for you. I know your little sister is probably never going to be able to forgive you for taking away her little friend, but I hope she can learn to live a life without this tearing her apart as many things have torn you apart. I also know that your siblings are going to go through a lot of torture from harsh kids who will connect them to you, even though this has nothing to do with them. I hope you have a long, long, long sentence in prison to think about these things.

I wont hide behind a fake name. I am sorry that I ever knew of you or heard of you because now I have to live with the fact that I knew of a killer of children. It's been on my mind since Jenny told me. Jenny is in pieces over it. Not over the fact that you are going to prison and are an evil person, but over the life of that poor child you took away from her family.

Sam

1 day ago, FullThrottleGOLD said:
P.S. I hope that you think about that poor girl and what you have done to her every day for the rest of your life.

1 day ago, keea27 said:
I HOPE EVERYTIME U CLOSE UR EYES U SEE THAT LIL GIRLS FACE HAUNTING U 4 DA REST OF UR LIFE...N I HOPE ALL DA MOTHERS IN YOUR JAIL UNITE N BEAT DA SHIT OUTTA YOU!!!!!

1 day ago, annoak said:
i think its kinda sad people want to write bad stuff on here. ya all know where she is at and that she wont be reading any of it. lets not forget her family has basically lost a child too and they are the ones than will more than likely be reading what you write.
http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchandlisten/play/b812b963c?perpage=9c1ab&proceed=9b1c6

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/

http://www.google.com/profiles/116425419383325164240

What does that have to do with any of this?

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Olten murder suspect certified as adult

COLE COUNTY, MO. -- Juvenile court authorities decided to charge a 15-year-old murder suspect as an adult at a certification hearing Wednesday morning.

Alyssa Bustamante, of St. Martins, Mo., is charged with first degree murder of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.
Olten’s body was found Friday, Oct. 23 in the woods behind her home in the rural mid-Missouri town. Olten went missing walking home from a friend’s home on Wednesday, Oct. 21. That evening started a three day search with over a hundred volunteers, K-9 units and a helicopter.

Olten was visiting Bustamante’s home when her family reported her missing. Bustamante lived down the street from the Olten family.

Police found the body after written evidence led police to Bustamante. Bustamante, after talking to the police, took them where the body was concealed in the woods.

Cole County Prosecutor Mark Richardson said that fact that Cole County Sheriff Greg White wants first degree murder charges shows that White believes Olten’s murder was premeditated.

Family court Judge Jon Beetem decided that Bustamante will stand trial as an adult. However, Bustamante could still become eligible for treatment through the Missouri’s Division of Youth Services.

"You'd have to have a certification and you'd have to have a finding of guilt," said Legal Counsel Samantha Green, "and conviction in the adult courts for dual jurisdiction."

The judge heard recommendations from juvenile court authorities and weighed the specifics of the crime against Missouri’s ten criteria to charge a juvenile as an adult -

Seriousness of offense and consideration of public safety if suspect should be transferred to general jurisdiction
Whether the offense involved vicious force and violence
Whether the offense was against a person or property, with greater weight given to offenses against a person, especially if personal injury resulted.
Was the offense was part of a repetitive pattern of offenses, where the child may be beyond rehabilitation under the juvenile code.
The record and history of the child in juvenile system and other courts will be considered
The sophistication and maturity of the child as determined by considering home, other environmental and emotional conditions and pattern of living.
Age of the child
Consider the programs available to the juvenile system.
Whether or not the child will benefit from treatment or rehabilitation programs available to the court.
Racial disparity and certification.
Bustamante has been in juvenile court custody since she was arrested on Oct. 23.

Bustamante attended Jefferson City High School. School friends said that she was nice and they do not understand what would have caused her to commit this crime.

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=378814

Good God, This child didn't have a chance. I blame society for what became of Alyssa. She obviously felt no regard for her life thanks to the parents who chose to bring her into this world. She learned disregard. She never understood empathy, it is obvious, all she felt was pain. Her being place on Meds for depression pisses me off. He depression was due to her messed up parents, not some chemical imbalance. It matters little that her grandparents were given custody recently. This child came from a drug and violence laden household, and she maintained a relationship with these sick parents. Much is known about the development of a brain and certain critical times during a child's development to learn things like compassion and empathy. I am NOT excusing at all what her actions were, but let's look at the fact that Prozac renders some people w/ an inability to feel emotions. I saw this in a friend who had taken it. She was emotionally removed from everyone and everything.
I can't stand the thought that this child was given a chemical to balance out a messed up life. Hmmnn, how did that turn out?! For goodness sake, just Google "Prozac lack of emotion" and read the testimonies of others who had taken it and felt numb, bipolar, violent nightmares, suicidal, emotionless, impulsive thoughts, etc.
I had taken a similar drug (Wellbutrin) to help quit smoking and it scared the bejesus out of me. I couldn't control my thoughts. I actually had to pull my car over one day because I couldn't even concentrate on the fact that I was driving! I had to take two days out of work and it took weeks to get out of my system. I thought to myself "How many other people experienced this scary drug this way?" It made me feel like I had taken a psychedelic drug.
Bottom line: Society failed this child. Personally, I blame the parents AND psychiatrists. It's time to wake up and stop with the chemical panacea when the problem IS reality, not some chemical imbalance. The grandparents home seemed stable, but let's not forget the child they raised. How'd they turn out?

I feel I need to add the following because this is an issue I believe needs discussing and actual rectifying.
I grew up in an abusive household and after attempting to run away a few times from the abuse, it was deemed I was a problem child. I was placed on probation and had to attend counseling. I was diagnosed with depression and given Xanax at 15. Of course, the drug didn't help except to numb me because I was still living in the abusive household. When I became addicted to the Xanax and needed more and more to feel comfortable, the psychiatrist took me off of it cold turkey. (Thankfully, they know better than to do that these days). I was living in hell. I went through withdrawal and was still in the abusive home. I then turned to alcohol which numbed me like the antidepressant and abused that severely. No counselor was paying attention to the obvious. I was depressed about being abused and then went on to self-abuse, as I can see Alyssa also did. Thankfully, I was taught meditation and found a counselor who helped heal that injured child within by talking about how wrong it was that I had been treated as I was as a child. After getting the horrors out of what happened, I learned to live for today because there was nothing I could do about yesterday, it is gone. I now live by the serenity prayer and surround myself with loving people because I have a choice today.

A few years ago a friend's family member committed suicide and the eldest child was very depressed with that. She too was diagnosed with depression and place on Prozac. I fought this decision tooth and nail, knowing she didn't have a chemical imbalance and should not be treated like SHE had a problem. Her problem WAS reality. Her step-father committed suicide. She needed help with the reality of the situation. She did not need to feel numb. Thankfully, the announcement came out just a few months later that Prozac can cause suicide in teens and she was taken off of it. She learned to cope with the horrible reality of what happened. This girl was very fortunate to have many loving adults and peers to help her through that horrible reality. Today she is majoring in child psychology because of that hell she went through and wanting to help others in the same manner and ways that she was helped.  As an adult having lived though hell myself and seeing someone I love dearly also go through a living hell, I am angry that the psychiatric community still thinks that a chemical given to a child (or adult for that matter) is an acceptable way to deal with that persons horrible reality. I don't care if it sounds hokey; all that was really needed was a whole lot of love and support from caring people. No excuses, just help in dealing with the reality of adults really screwing up and harming children by their actions. I hope sharing these stories helps one person out there think about the best course to take when another human being close to them is depressed by simple reality. I am not speaking about true chemical imbalances here, I'm talking about when reality bites.

Peace, thank-you for those posts  ::MonkeyAngel:: I can say this much, psychiatrists misdiagnose all the time, give people the wrong medications, literally hand stuff out like candy, and in my opinion treat patients like lab rats. I'm not going to go into what has all happened to me, but I'm very sorry for your experiences, believe me. Not everything is black and white, many times there are shades of grey that need to be looked at. I personally don't like the handing out of some medications to children and teens, when there is info to back up what may happen.

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found at:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=69758928&albumID=2947727&imageID=46622720

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/23/crimesider/entry5747352.shtml

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 ::MonkeyNoNo::

48 Hours Photo Gallery
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2009/11/23/crimesider/photoessay5747894.shtml?tag=page

Can we post the personal movies?

I don't know if this has been posted anywhere here or not, but I came across this, and it is beyond ridiculous.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/freealyssa/

 ::MonkeyMad::