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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: MuffyBee on November 07, 2009, 04:12:14 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf



TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 12:33:33 AM
Cold in SoCal too!   ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on December 10, 2009, 12:33:52 AM
Made It!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 10, 2009, 12:34:35 AM
Clean cage!!!! Goodnight!!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 12:35:13 AM
Made It!

Hi Cajun Miracle!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks for the new cage Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on December 10, 2009, 12:35:15 AM
Cold in SoCal too!   ::snowmanlaugh::

Maybe we could have a snowball fight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 12:35:55 AM
Clean cage!!!! Goodnight!!  ::CowboySmiley::

Good night wreck!  Stay warm!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on December 10, 2009, 12:36:01 AM
Made It!

Hi Cajun Miracle!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks for the new cage Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Hey to ya TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on December 10, 2009, 12:37:35 AM
Nite all and stay warm.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 12:45:58 AM
Speaking of snowball fight, I made this JibJab last year  ::snowmanlaugh::

http://aka.zero.jibjab.com/client/zero/ClientZero_EmbedViewer.swf?external_make_id=Tlb2uYjKAkQIapqilyxo6hdB&service=sendables.jibjab.com&partnerID=JibJab


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 12:54:37 AM
Nite all and stay warm.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

Good night Cajun Miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 12:56:43 AM
Speaking of snowball fight, I made this JibJab last year  ::snowmanlaugh::

http://aka.zero.jibjab.com/client/zero/ClientZero_EmbedViewer.swf?external_make_id=Tlb2uYjKAkQIapqilyxo6hdB&service=sendables.jibjab.com&partnerID=JibJab


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 01:08:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 01:09:19 AM


Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: msmarple on December 10, 2009, 07:15:49 AM
Hi Monkeys,
Well, at least I try to keep my avatar current with the season ... about all I can do these days.

Good to see texasmom still slugging away.

Hope everyone is staying warm (it's cold in Atlanta too). Happy shopping and blessings to all during this season!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 10, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Hi Monkeys,
Well, at least I try to keep my avatar current with the season ... about all I can do these days.

Good to see texasmom still slugging away.

Hope everyone is staying warm (it's cold in Atlanta too). Happy shopping and blessings to all during this season!

Good morning msmarple  ::HelloKitty::  Your poinsettia's are lovely.  I agree with you about texasmom.  She just keeps on keepin' on.... ::MonkeyDance:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 11:28:08 AM
Posted at GM by GBMW:

Part of online Diary of Peter R. de Vries today:

Ik ben vandaag druk met de uitzending van aanstaande zondag, waar we weer eens aandacht besteden aan Joran van der Sloot. Er gaat bijna geen dag voorbij of iemand vraagt wel aan me hoe het toch met de hem en de zaak van Natalee Holloway staat. Welnu, daar komt zondag een antwoord op, met heel interessante beelden!


Today I'm busy with the broadcast of this coming Sunday which will address Joran van der Sloot again. Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me what's going on with him and Natalee Holloway's case. Well, you'll get an answer this coming Sunday, with very interesting footage!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 10, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
Posted at GM by GBMW:

Part of online Diary of Peter R. de Vries today:

Ik ben vandaag druk met de uitzending van aanstaande zondag, waar we weer eens aandacht besteden aan Joran van der Sloot. Er gaat bijna geen dag voorbij of iemand vraagt wel aan me hoe het toch met de hem en de zaak van Natalee Holloway staat. Welnu, daar komt zondag een antwoord op, met heel interessante beelden!


Today I'm busy with the broadcast of this coming Sunday which will address Joran van der Sloot again. Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me what's going on with him and Natalee Holloway's case. Well, you'll get an answer this coming Sunday, with very interesting footage!

Hopefully, Peter will give Aruba a nice (early) Christmas present, compliments of its prodigal (exiled) son.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Thanks Klaas.  And thanks to GB for keeping everyone informed.

I do hope we are able to obtain a good translation of the show!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 10, 2009, 12:43:08 PM
Thanks Klaas.  And thanks to GB for keeping everyone informed.

I do hope we are able to obtain a good translation of the show!

Was thinking the show will be braodcast there while we're watching football and such on Sunday afternoon.  That is if my thinking is in order with the time difference.  It could be Monday or so before we see a transcript.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 01:08:40 PM
Posted at GM by GBMW:

Part of online Diary of Peter R. de Vries today:

Ik ben vandaag druk met de uitzending van aanstaande zondag, waar we weer eens aandacht besteden aan Joran van der Sloot. Er gaat bijna geen dag voorbij of iemand vraagt wel aan me hoe het toch met de hem en de zaak van Natalee Holloway staat. Welnu, daar komt zondag een antwoord op, met heel interessante beelden!

Today I'm busy with the broadcast of this coming Sunday which will address Joran van der Sloot again. Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me what's going on with him and Natalee Holloway's case. Well, you'll get an answer this coming Sunday, with very interesting footage!

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Thank you Klaas.

1.  Considering GBMW's position regarding the non-involvement of Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoes in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ...

2.  Considering GBMW's position regarding what others perceive as a corrupt investigation that has prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ...

3.  Considering GBMW's position regarding who really should be to blame in regards that hardship suffered by the Aruban people as a result of the boycott ...

4.  Consider GBMW's position regarding a troll by the name of Charierat ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++ 

GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #753 on: May 07, 2008, 03:54:26 PM »


But I don't think Paulus was around the moment when something happened to Natalee....I believe Joran was around though. What did Paulus do that night according to you that would implicate him so much? You don't think he would have protected Joran no matter if he (Paulus) was involved or not?

Paulus has helped Joran to protect him from the legal consequences....yes. And because of this Paulus & Joran will be protected....Joran for his actions that night & Paulus for his actions after that night....since Paulus has got info on other people they will never allow for the complete truth ever to come out of what happened that night and how they tried to cover everything up. That's how I look at it at the moment....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg379756#msg379756


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #264 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:15 AM »


I'm also not that convinced about the involvement of the Kalpoe Brothers or the huge cover up as most SM posters are. Neither do I believe that Peter, Joran & Patrick worked together...that the confessions how was a cover up...and I'm not for a boycott.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378915#msg378915


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
« Reply #821 on: June 18, 2008, 05:28:07 PM »


I don't think the Dutch & Aruban officials are that corrupt.....I do believe they are doing the best they can. Of course not all of them...dishonest people are everywhere.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg390863#msg390863


GBMW
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
« Reply #815 on: May 15, 2008, 10:01:20 AM »


Beth hasn't been an angel in this case....100% understandable and I don't blame her...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381577#msg381577


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2008, 12:05:48 AM »


Kick Charlierat in his nuts? Sorry...I like him so your thanks is a bit premature.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg391009#msg391009


GBMW
Re: THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT
« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2008, 12:57:23 PM »


Why would I dislike him (Charlierat)? I don't know him that well and I don't always agree with his posts or the way he posts but he's been nothing but kind to me.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2823.msg391175#msg391175


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
Janet, are you thinking those are GB's words?  That it is GB who is working on the show?

Because those aren't her words, those are Peter's words.

??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 01:24:38 PM
Thanks jen.

What a relief!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 01:28:47 PM
It is all Dutch to me.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

++++++

donderdag 10 december 2009, 09:44 uur
Peters DagboekJulio P., piloot des doods, of roddelslachtoffer? & beelden Joran van der Sloot

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/cover/julio-p.-piloot-des-doods-of-roddelslachtoffer-beelden-joran-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
I truly hope that Peter has something earthshattering to expose about Joran.

If not, I am still grateful to Peter for keeping Joran's name in the news as the prime suspect in Natalee's death.

That is something that nobody else is doing these days. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 10, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Posted at GM by GBMW:

Part of online Diary of Peter R. de Vries today:

Ik ben vandaag druk met de uitzending van aanstaande zondag, waar we weer eens aandacht besteden aan Joran van der Sloot. Er gaat bijna geen dag voorbij of iemand vraagt wel aan me hoe het toch met de hem en de zaak van Natalee Holloway staat. Welnu, daar komt zondag een antwoord op, met heel interessante beelden!


Today I'm busy with the broadcast of this coming Sunday which will address Joran van der Sloot again. Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me what's going on with him and Natalee Holloway's case. Well, you'll get an answer this coming Sunday, with very interesting footage!

Thank you Klaas! 
I appreciate GBMW's translation and think it is encouraging that people still hold such an interest in Natalee that a day rarely passes without someone asking Peter about it.   ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 02:15:43 PM
Somebody from SBS Broadcasting in NL is interested in what monkeys have to say!

Isn't that Peter's company?

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 10, 2009, 02:15:47 PM
I truly hope that Peter has something earthshattering to expose about Joran.

If not, I am still grateful to Peter for keeping Joran's name in the news as the prime suspect in Natalee's death.

That is something that nobody else is doing these days. ::ElfMonkey::

I agree! 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 10, 2009, 02:19:23 PM
Somebody from SBS Broadcasting in NL is interested in what monkeys have to say!

Isn't that Peter's company?

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Thank you Magnolia!

Think I will take the opportunity to thank Peter and wish him and his family
Seasons Greetings!  ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 02:35:27 PM
Thanks jen.

What a relief!!

Janet

You're welcome!  ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
ENDEMOL PRODUCTIONS?

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem

 
Chapter 18:  ... The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands.  Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something?  Am I going to see you?'  So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
 
The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it.  The gave us one that was, to say the least, different.  The slick black interior was now brown for a start.  How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran?  I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner.
 
This trip I had to focus on how Natalee died.
 
Daury?  Was that really his name or had Joran made that up to protect the real person who helped him?  I knew I had to stick to the script as much as I could this time.
 
... That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem.  It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
 
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence.  He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop.  Then he wants to see the paper work.  The rental agreement is listed to Endemol.  So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me.  I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
 
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out.  No problems.  They let me go on my way.  Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 02:43:11 PM
Yes, Peter works for Endemol.  I'm not sure if SBS owns Endemol?  Or if they collaborate on projects?  I haven 't looked into it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
I truly hope that Peter has something earthshattering to expose about Joran.

If not, I am still grateful to Peter for keeping Joran's name in the news as the prime suspect in Natalee's death.

That is something that nobody else is doing these days.
::ElfMonkey::

I agree Magnolia, I'm grateful to Peter DeVries too!  And I hope to goodness that whoever was interested from SBS Broadcasting missed all the negativity and speculation about him that has been posted time after time over the past few months.  If they didn't miss it hopefully they looked around enough to see that we all don't see things that way.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 03:00:30 PM
2008 INTERNATIONAL EMMY® AWARDS WINNERS FOR NEWS AND CURRENT AFFAIRS CATEGORIES ANNOUNCED

Dutch crime reporter, Peter R. de Vries’ undercover camera report on the Natalee Holloway case, produced by SBS Broadcasting B.V/Endemol Entertainment won the Current Affairs category. De Vries investigated the disappearance and possible murder of a young American in Aruba.

http://www.iemmys.tv/news_item.aspx?id=66


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
Yes, Peter works for Endemol.  I'm not sure if SBS owns Endemol?  Or if they collaborate on projects?  I haven 't looked into it.

Endermol is the production company and SBS is the broadcast company of the same operation.

That's how I read it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:06:12 PM
I truly hope that Peter has something earthshattering to expose about Joran.

If not, I am still grateful to Peter for keeping Joran's name in the news as the prime suspect in Natalee's death.

That is something that nobody else is doing these days.
::ElfMonkey::

I agree Magnolia, I'm grateful to Peter DeVries too!  And I hope to goodness that whoever was interested from SBS Broadcasting missed all the negativity and speculation about him that has been posted time after time over the past few months.  If they didn't miss it hopefully they looked around enough to see that we all don't see things that way.



SBS broadcasting has been around for quite sometime..I think you're selling them short TM.I believe they're aware of much more then we think!Time will tell what they choose to do with the information they gather....JMOO ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:08:20 PM
Yes, Peter works for Endemol.  I'm not sure if SBS owns Endemol?  Or if they collaborate on projects?  I haven 't looked into it.

Endermol is the production company and SBS is the broadcast company of the same operation.

That's how I read it.

Yep I think you're right.

So likely it was Peter himself, or a researcher of his.

I'd personally like to shake that man's hand.  Peter has done so much for Natalee and her family, and it seems he's not letting go anytime soon!

The measure of Peace he afforded Beth with his backing and airing of Patrick's project with Joran I'm sure is immeasurable for her.

Peter DeVries is a rare hero in this tragedy, and my Thanks go out to him!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 03:12:02 PM
Yes, Peter works for Endemol.  I'm not sure if SBS owns Endemol?  Or if they collaborate on projects?  I haven 't looked into it.

Endermol is the production company and SBS is the broadcast company of the same operation.

That's how I read it.

Yep I think you're right.

So likely it was Peter himself, or a researcher of his.

I'd personally like to shake that man's hand.  Peter has done so much for Natalee and her family, and it seems he's not letting go anytime soon!

The measure of Peace he afforded Beth with his backing and airing of Patrick's project with Joran I'm sure is immeasurable for her.

Peter DeVries is a rare hero in this tragedy, and my Thanks go out to him!!



I totally agree! ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:12:22 PM
Magnolia - Thank you for keeping your eye out.

There is much to be learned by watching that little meter.  And oh so much of it can be greatly encouraging and insightful!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
Another thing that peeked my interest many moons ago was why,someone from Venezuela,would be interested in Bastibro....... ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 03:16:21 PM
Yes, Peter works for Endemol.  I'm not sure if SBS owns Endemol?  Or if they collaborate on projects?  I haven 't looked into it.

Endermol is the production company and SBS is the broadcast company of the same operation.

That's how I read it.

Yep I think you're right.

So likely it was Peter himself, or a researcher of his.

I'd personally like to shake that man's hand.  Peter has done so much for Natalee and her family, and it seems he's not letting go anytime soon!

The measure of Peace he afforded Beth with his backing and airing of Patrick's project with Joran I'm sure is immeasurable for her.

Peter DeVries is a rare hero in this tragedy, and my Thanks go out to him!!


I agree!   ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::CowboySmiley::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:17:31 PM
Another thing that peeked my interest many moons ago was why,someone from Venezuela,would be interested in Bastibro....... ::MonkeyShovel::

Ah.

I guess that would all depend on how many folks know who "bastibro" really is.  ::MonkeyCool::

Venezuela, huh?  Now that is rich!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:20:24 PM
Another thing that peeked my interest many moons ago was why,someone from Venezuela,would be interested in Bastibro....... ::MonkeyShovel::

Ah.

I guess that would all depend on how many folks know who "bastibro" really is.  ::MonkeyCool::

Venezuela, huh?  Now that is rich!!!!!

IIRC Jen3560,i believe it was  Carabobo country...If that tells ya anything?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:25:52 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


KEEP ON DIGGIN


::MonkeyShovel::


GOD BLESS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:29:15 PM
So, this is what has happened this week - in what I must say is a promising turn of events!

Hero Brinkman will be looking into the boat scenario from when Natalee went missing.

Peter DeVries also received that info, and either he or someone on his team were here today looking into some things.

Peter DeVries is airing a show 3 days from now, once again bringing this tragedy into the spotlight!

Justice For Natalee Holloway is long overdue - and I am so thankful to everyone who is still pursuing it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:31:32 PM
Another thing that peeked my interest many moons ago was why,someone from Venezuela,would be interested in Bastibro....... ::MonkeyShovel::

Ah.

I guess that would all depend on how many folks know who "bastibro" really is.  ::MonkeyCool::

Venezuela, huh?  Now that is rich!!!!!

IIRC Jen3560,i believe it was  Carabobo country...If that tells ya anything?

Keeping one eye on the ball constantly - as Bounce, Bounce, Bounce it goes  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:35:04 PM
Another thing that peeked my interest many moons ago was why,someone from Venezuela,would be interested in Bastibro....... ::MonkeyShovel::

Ah.

I guess that would all depend on how many folks know who "bastibro" really is.  ::MonkeyCool::

Venezuela, huh?  Now that is rich!!!!!

IIRC Jen3560,i believe it was  Carabobo country...If that tells ya anything?

Keeping one eye on the ball constantly - as Bounce, Bounce, Bounce it goes  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: God Bless all Monkey's..Justice is where it's at..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Kyle said: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 10, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:37:28 PM
Somebody from SBS Broadcasting in NL is interested in what monkeys have to say!

Isn't that Peter's company?

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SBS broadcasting was checking this information on this thread a few months back.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:39:02 PM
Kermit,Jen3560.....


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:39:30 PM
Kyle said: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:41:31 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 03:43:47 PM
In my opinion ... unless Peter Devries ... on Sunday evening ... concedes that the ONLY truth ... the only positive ... that emerged from the Range Rover recordings was the segment regarding the seizure Natalee Holloway experienced in the presence of Joran van der Sloot ... I contend this investigative reporter who has an in-depth knowledge of the case ... is furthering the Aruban cover-up agenda of distancing main suspects from participation in wrongdoing encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

In my opinion ... there was more light was shed on the the truth in the leaked recordings from the police van.

Devries has been silent for two years in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.  Why?

Janet

++++++++

THE SEIZURE

ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
 
CNN Larry King Live - February 7, 2008

 
BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  When he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?
 
And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


Dateline - February 23, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY:  The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.
 
However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/


ACCORDING TO JUG TWITTY

NANCY GRACE - February 15, 2008


HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:  Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO GEROLD DOMPIG
 
48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006


Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page5.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Kermit,Jen3560.....


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November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show

DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:49:13 PM
TxMom - it seems your hopes may have been dashed.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:49:26 PM
JUSTICE WILL COME..JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED...


AS LONG AS WE KEEP OUR SHOVELS SHARPENED..

::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:49:31 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 03:52:35 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::

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Gee - now why oh why would someone in Venezuela be interested in that duo??  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::

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Gee - now why oh why would someone in Venezuela be interested in that duo??  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank You Kermit & Jen3560... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:57:33 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.

http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2393

November 10, 2008

Reporter Peter De Vries has made a second hidden-camera expose on Dutch student Joran Van der Sloot, who was believed to be with Natalee Holloway when she vanished while on a senior trip to Aruba. De Vries won an Emmy this year for another report on Van Der Sloot, 21, in which the student admits to dumping Holloway’s body after she suddenly began shaking and died as they were kissing.

De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.

Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.

“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,†De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.â€Â


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 03:59:09 PM
In my opinion ... unless Peter Devries ... on Sunday evening ... concedes that the ONLY truth ... the only positive ... that emerged from the Range Rover recordings was the segment regarding the seizure Natalee Holloway experienced in the presence of Joran van der Sloot ... I contend this investigative reporter who has an in-depth knowledge of the case ... is furthering the Aruban cover-up agenda of distancing main suspects from participation in wrongdoing encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.

In my opinion ... there was more light was shed on the the truth in the leaked recordings from the police van.

Devries has been silent for two years in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.  Why?

Janet

++++++++

THE SEIZURE

ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
 
CNN Larry King Live - February 7, 2008

 
BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  When he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?
 
And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


Dateline - February 23, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY:  The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.
 
However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/


ACCORDING TO JUG TWITTY

NANCY GRACE - February 15, 2008


HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:  Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO GEROLD DOMPIG
 
48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006


Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page5.shtml



You beating that dead horse again?   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 03:59:31 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::

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Gee - now why oh why would someone in Venezuela be interested in that duo??  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank You Kermit & Jen3560... ::MonkeyAngel::

Weren't they the guys who were on that sex site looking at for women?
Maybe someone in Venezuela wants to hook up with them.

 ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.

http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2393

November 10, 2008

Reporter Peter De Vries has made a second hidden-camera expose on Dutch student Joran Van der Sloot, who was believed to be with Natalee Holloway when she vanished while on a senior trip to Aruba. De Vries won an Emmy this year for another report on Van Der Sloot, 21, in which the student admits to dumping Holloway’s body after she suddenly began shaking and died as they were kissing.

De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.

Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.

“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,†De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.â€Â

Thanks Kermit! ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:01:52 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::  Kermie!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 04:04:47 PM
For those reading GM, RU, etc. -- is bastibo still around???????  ::CowboySmiley::

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Gee - now why oh why would someone in Venezuela be interested in that duo??  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank You Kermit & Jen3560... ::MonkeyAngel::

Weren't they the guys who were on that sex site looking at for women?
Maybe someone in Venezuela wants to hook up with them.

 ::hohohosanta::

 ::snowmanlaugh:: Another monkey may have already brought this movie up but,i thought it was very interesting to say the least,in regards to the possible M.O. of how they potentially lure unknowing women to the sex trade..If you haven't already watched TAKEN with Liam Neeson,it's a must watch...Very scary how they potentially operate!Reminded me of the Pimps & the elders in Aruba!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 04:08:18 PM
::MonkeyDevil::  Kermie!!!!!

HA HA HA HA HA
 ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
::snowmanlaugh:: Another monkey may have already brought this movie up but,i thought it was very interesting to say the least,in regards to the possible M.O. of how they potentially lure unknowing women to the sex trade..If you haven't already watched TAKEN with Liam Neeson,it's a must watch...Very scary how they potentially operate!Reminded me of the Pimps & the elders in Aruba!!!!!

I saw that film.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 10, 2009, 04:12:32 PM
::snowmanlaugh:: Another monkey may have already brought this movie up but,i thought it was very interesting to say the least,in regards to the possible M.O. of how they potentially lure unknowing women to the sex trade..If you haven't already watched TAKEN with Liam Neeson,it's a must watch...Very scary how they potentially operate!Reminded me of the Pimps & the elders in Aruba!!!!!

I saw that film.

How many times did Joran say it worked before Natalee Holloway?Like 20.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 04:13:24 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.

http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2393

November 10, 2008

Reporter Peter De Vries has made a second hidden-camera expose on Dutch student Joran Van der Sloot, who was believed to be with Natalee Holloway when she vanished while on a senior trip to Aruba. De Vries won an Emmy this year for another report on Van Der Sloot, 21, in which the student admits to dumping Holloway’s body after she suddenly began shaking and died as they were kissing.

De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.

Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.

“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,†De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.â€Â

Thanks Kermit! ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I saw the hat you knitted for Miss San in a department store the other day. I almost bought one for myself, but didn't want Miss Piggy to question me like a Cheat a.

I heard Tiger Woods endorsements might re-think their slogans now.
For example:  NIKE - JUST DO IT!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 04:15:42 PM
How many times did Joran say it worked before Natalee Holloway?Like 20.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

TWENTY TIMES and he got away with it each and every time



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:19:49 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.

He was also involved with a new witness a year ago.  Never fear, Peter has not dropped the ball in this case, quite the contrary.  I firmly believe that just because we the public don't see/hear from him on a monthly basis - does not mean he's not on top of things, and digging just as hard as we are!!!


By Jen Hale | Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: November 19, 2008
Updated: November 19, 2008
There’s now word of a new witness in the case of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.
The Aruban Prosecutor’s Office says this new witness claims Joran van der Sloot confessed to her that he did indeed dump Natalee’s body into the ocean.
Natalee’s mom Beth Holloway says she believes this new witness is a girl NBC 13 introduced you to last week.

A woman named Celeste who first told her story to Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries.

 

http://www2.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/a_possible_new_witness_in_the_natalee_holloway_case/47534/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
::MonkeyDevil::  Kermie!!!!!

HA HA HA HA HA
 ::MonkeyReindeer::


You are seriously killing me here, my friend!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.

http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2393

November 10, 2008

Reporter Peter De Vries has made a second hidden-camera expose on Dutch student Joran Van der Sloot, who was believed to be with Natalee Holloway when she vanished while on a senior trip to Aruba. De Vries won an Emmy this year for another report on Van Der Sloot, 21, in which the student admits to dumping Holloway’s body after she suddenly began shaking and died as they were kissing.

De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.

Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.

“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,†De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.â€Â

Thanks Kermit! ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I saw the hat you knitted for Miss San in a department store the other day. I almost bought one for myself, but didn't want Miss Piggy to question me like a Cheat a.

I heard Tiger Woods endorsements might re-think their slogans now.
For example:  NIKE - JUST DO IT!





Tiger has given me several giggles.  I'm sad for his beautiful wife and children...
but did you see the picture of the mistress from the Waffle House?  YUK! ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
I truly hope that Peter has something earthshattering to expose about Joran.

If not, I am still grateful to Peter for keeping Joran's name in the news as the prime suspect in Natalee's death.

That is something that nobody else is doing these days.
::ElfMonkey::

I agree Magnolia, I'm grateful to Peter DeVries too!  And I hope to goodness that whoever was interested from SBS Broadcasting missed all the negativity and speculation about him that has been posted time after time over the past few months.  If they didn't miss it hopefully they looked around enough to see that we all don't see things that way.




Me, too, TxMom.  It's so discouraging to send messages on that form on de Vries webpages, etc. only to have them discouraged from seeing what we have to say thinking we do not support and appreciate Peter de Vries and all he has done for Beth in all of this.

Not to mention how handsome at least I think he is.  I wish we got his program in this country because I would watch it faithfully even on other cases.

People in his profession live by their reputation and his is stellar in this regard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
I truly hope that Peter has something earthshattering to expose about Joran.

If not, I am still grateful to Peter for keeping Joran's name in the news as the prime suspect in Natalee's death.

That is something that nobody else is doing these days.
::ElfMonkey::

I agree Magnolia, I'm grateful to Peter DeVries too!  And I hope to goodness that whoever was interested from SBS Broadcasting missed all the negativity and speculation about him that has been posted time after time over the past few months.  If they didn't miss it hopefully they looked around enough to see that we all don't see things that way.




Me, too, TxMom.  It's so discouraging to send messages on that form on de Vries webpages, etc. only to have them discouraged from seeing what we have to say thinking we do not support and appreciate Peter de Vries and all he has done for Beth in all of this.

Not to mention how handsome at least I think he is.  I wish we got his program in this country because I would watch it faithfully even on other cases.

People in his profession live by their reputation and his is stellar in this regard.


And he didn't have to do anything to help! ::santawink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 10, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
Kermit,Jen3560.....


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November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show

DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
Janet:

In my opinion ... there was more light was shed on the the truth in the leaked recordings from the police van.

---

Paulus had already warned J2K multiple times including at the meeting around the pool that they would be under surveillance and to watch what they said.

Joran for sure knew this and so I think in the police van he was saying things for the benefit of the recorder.  Kalpoes more or less but seemed more candid than Joran who was trying to get them to incriminate themselves even more.

I have never taken that recording to be any more than two sides each semi-threatening to blame the other.  Trying to make each other look bad for the sake of the recorder they suspected might be on.

After all, they were still in Aruba and it was very odd to place all three suspects in the same van at the same time so they had to have suspected the reason.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 04:39:21 PM
Does anyone else think that Peter R. de Vries just gets more handsome as he ages?  He is certainly doing so gracefully!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if he has a brother, one who is not married.

 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 10, 2009, 04:39:30 PM
I could be totally wrong....if so apologies....but I thought Peter did a show about Joran and the
sex slave traffic about a year ago.
When Joran is mentioned, Natalee is automatically brought to mind.

http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2393

November 10, 2008

Reporter Peter De Vries has made a second hidden-camera expose on Dutch student Joran Van der Sloot, who was believed to be with Natalee Holloway when she vanished while on a senior trip to Aruba. De Vries won an Emmy this year for another report on Van Der Sloot, 21, in which the student admits to dumping Holloway’s body after she suddenly began shaking and died as they were kissing.

De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.

Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.

“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,†De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.â€Â

Thanks Kermit! ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I saw the hat you knitted for Miss San in a department store the other day. I almost bought one for myself, but didn't want Miss Piggy to question me like a Cheat a.

I heard Tiger Woods endorsements might re-think their slogans now.
For example:  NIKE - JUST DO IT!




In a concession to Tiger -- they have agreed to change their name to "Nooky".  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:42:30 PM


November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show

DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family  who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!

Newp!  Not in the least.

Also serves as a good reminder on (Voc)King, Bastibro's buddy.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 04:44:15 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 04:47:26 PM
Wreck! ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 10, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
Janet:

In my opinion ... there was more light was shed on the the truth in the leaked recordings from the police van.

---

Paulus had already warned J2K multiple times including at the meeting around the pool that they would be under surveillance and to watch what they said.

Joran for sure knew this and so I think in the police van he was saying things for the benefit of the recorder.  Kalpoes more or less but seemed more candid than Joran who was trying to get them to incriminate themselves even more.

I have never taken that recording to be any more than two sides each semi-threatening to blame the other.  Trying to make each other look bad for the sake of the recorder they suspected might be on.

After all, they were still in Aruba and it was very odd to place all three suspects in the same van at the same time so they had to have suspected the reason.

JMO

Boy, I so agree with this:

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.

On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*. The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 04:55:59 PM


November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show

DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family  who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!

Newp!  Not in the least.

Also serves as a good reminder on (Voc)King, Bastibro's buddy.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey, speaking of Bastibro, where's my bracelet!

We know he was promising to send a real one in real life otherwise he would not have needed my home address, right?



 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 04:58:48 PM


November 28, 2006
Robert Jensen show

DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several changes to do things right: when they wanted to search the house the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family  who wanted to support the VdSloots in these difficult times… So clearly the search of the house hadn’t been a surprise to the VdSloots. And the police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joran's room could be searched.
That doesn't sound like someone "in-cahoots" with ALE!

Newp!  Not in the least.

Also serves as a good reminder on (Voc)King, Bastibro's buddy.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hey, speaking of Bastibro, where's my bracelet!

We know he was promising to send a real one in real life otherwise he would not have needed my home address, right?



 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


I forgot......he asked me to just knit you one! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 05:12:39 PM
In my opinion ...

Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware from the get go of his plans to expose Joran van der Sloot.  Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware of the Range Rover recordings and provided input right up to the fifth ... the final ride.

Janet

+++++++++

AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


Janet

+++++

ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
 
Aruba:  no action yet against Dutch student
Sunday 03 February 2008

 
De Vries told the Nova current affairs show on Saturday evening that the Aruban authorities did not know everything about his new evidence.  'I do not have to report to them,' he said.
 
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_no_action_yet_against_du.php


ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM
 
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
 
Chapter 9:


... It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
 

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
 
Chapter 18:


... The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands.  Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something?  Am I going to see you?'  So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
 
The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it.  The gave us one that was, to say the least, different.  The slick black interior was now brown for a start.  How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran?  I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner.
 
This trip I had to focus on how Natalee died.
 
Daury?  Was that really his name or had Joran made that up to protect the real person who helped him?  I knew I had to stick to the script as much as I could this time.
 
... That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem.  It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
 
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence.  He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop.  Then he wants to see the paper work.  The rental agreement is listed to Endemol.  So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me.  I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
 
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out.  No problems.  They let me go on my way.  Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen.


ACCORDING TO ARUBAN/DUTCH MEDIA
 
Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 05:23:47 PM
Whoa!

HUGE difference (not to mention the number of MONTHS that went by) between the Neth CIE and the Aruban prosecutor Peter met with after most of the recordings had been done.

Huge!

Details had already been revealed by Joran long before Peter ever met with Mos.

I would very highly doubt that the CIE hurried and called someone on Aruba after talking with Peter the summer before all this happened, in order to give Joran a heads up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:29:27 PM
In my opinion ...

Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware from the get go of his plans to expose Joran van der Sloot.  Patrick vander Eem's own words in DISPOSED reveal that authorities were aware of the Range Rover recordings and provided input right up to the fifth ... the final ride.

Janet

+++++++++

AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


Janet

+++++

ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
 
Aruba:  no action yet against Dutch student
Sunday 03 February 2008

 
De Vries told the Nova current affairs show on Saturday evening that the Aruban authorities did not know everything about his new evidence.  'I do not have to report to them,' he said.
 
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_no_action_yet_against_du.php


ACCORDING TO PATRICK VANDER EEM
 
Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
 
Chapter 9:


... It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.
 

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem
 
Chapter 18:


... The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands.  Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something?  Am I going to see you?'  So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
 
The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it.  The gave us one that was, to say the least, different.  The slick black interior was now brown for a start.  How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran?  I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner.
 
This trip I had to focus on how Natalee died.
 
Daury?  Was that really his name or had Joran made that up to protect the real person who helped him?  I knew I had to stick to the script as much as I could this time.
 
... That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem.  It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
 
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence.  He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop.  Then he wants to see the paper work.  The rental agreement is listed to Endemol.  So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me.  I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
 
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out.  No problems.  They let me go on my way.  Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen.


ACCORDING TO ARUBAN/DUTCH MEDIA
 
Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip




Not one of the statements you cite proves anything regarding Peter deVries.IMO

Private Eye was talking about the Persistence Crew and the evidence found in the trap/cage

Peter told NOVA that he did not have to report to them, because he didn't.  He was polite enough to
allow Mos to see a copy of his report before it aired.....common courtsey.

When Patrick contacted the Dutch Police CIE, they frankly told him that they could not assist him
but maybe Peter could.  It would have been entrapment if they assisted.

On the final trip, Joran implicates himself in murder.

Etc, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 05:34:01 PM
We might be onto something.

Someone in Aruba is interested.

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On December 7th the Duarry link was posted at SM and Magnolia discovered SOMEONE in Aruba seemed very interrested.

On December 8th, the Duarry link information was posted at BFN, maybe by Edward...I'm not sure.  Right after it was posted a NEW MEMBER posted at BFN by the name of FLORIS.  Floris proceeded to post about how they knew where Natalee was buried on the island.  Here are a couple of Floris's posts:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/FlorisBFN120809a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/FlorisBFN120809b.jpg)

This would be the approximate area Floris was referring to:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WestinBubaliMillResort.jpg)

FLORIS posted about 30 times before deleting their posts (sure sounds like REALITY). 

I have most if not all of the FLORIS posts at BFN but I'm not going to post them.  It appears to me that FLORIS (maybe Reality) was posting to change the subject away from Duarry.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
I didn't copy and paste it because I thought I was being a little obsessive about the site meter. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Three others from Aruba came and read the Duarry info and then those same ones from Aruba googled and
went to the closeup of Lorenzo's property.  Maybe a coincidence?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 10, 2009, 05:43:35 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....


AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


_________________________________________________-

It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2 see reply #686


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 10, 2009, 05:44:43 PM

Not one of the statements you cite proves anything regarding Peter deVries.IMO

Private Eye was talking about the Persistence Crew and the evidence found in the trap/cage

Peter told NOVA that he did not have to report to them, because he didn't.  He was polite enough to
allow Mos to see a copy of his report before it aired.....common courtsey.

When Patrick contacted the Dutch Police CIE, they frankly told him that they could not assist him
but maybe Peter could.  It would have been entrapment if they assisted.

On the final trip, Joran implicates himself in murder.

Etc, etc, etc.

That's how I remember it, also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
I didn't copy and paste it because I thought I was being a little obsessive about the site meter. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Three others from Aruba came and read the Duarry info and then those same ones from Aruba googled and
went to the closeup of Lorenzo's property.  Maybe a coincidence?


Thanks Klaas!

Magnolia - wasn't I just saying that watching that site meter can be very insightful?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Klaas - do all of that person's posts  have the ending punctuation the same way as that first one you posted?  With a space in between the last letter, before the punctuation?

Over the years Reality's posts under his various nics have been studied closely - and most all of them are that way with the punctuation.  And of course, the immediate deletion of his own posts, as you said, is a dead give away.

Hmmm

So it looks like we had an Aruban visitor reading up on what was found, and then miraculously Reality creates a new nic and posts at BFN that Natalee is buried, and not at sea?

Coinky Dink?  I somehow doubt it!  ::MonkeyWink::

Gee - they are getting more and more transparent, aren't they?

I wonder what Robin Holloway thinks of her GOOD FRIEND Reality now?  I wonder if she even knows that he was spouting off stating he knew where her neice's BODY IS?  Did her GOOD FRIEND Debbie tell her?::MonkeyNoNo::

What a piece of work that guy is!

So I guess that tells us we've definitely hit a nerve - and Brinkman is now asking what could be the right questions?


 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 05:51:33 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....


AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


_________________________________________________-

It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2 see reply #686


In my opinion ... Private Eye's words imply an absolute principle.  Collaborating with the enemy in any situation will not result in a positive outcome.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 10, 2009, 05:52:25 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....


AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


_________________________________________________-

It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"


Self edit of link:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
Jen

In my opinion ...

In all probability ... Paulus and Joran were given a heads-up following the first meeting that Patrick van der Eem had with the CIE ... the first meeting with the CEI when Patrick attempted to make a financial deal for secretly recording a FULL CONFESSION.

Jen ... do you sincerely believe that the authorities in Holland and/or Aruba would have with withheld this information from Paulus and Joran?  Do you sincerely believe that those who had adhered to the cover-up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus from implication were now on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway?

Janet

++++


ACCORDING TO BETH HOLLOWAY
 
On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.


'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


ACCORDING TO JOSSY MANSUR

Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005


NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:55:43 PM
One of the Aruban visitors that googled Johan's close up of Lorenzo's property
just said: Aruba......the provider and ISP were unknown.  Does that mean anything?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 05:56:59 PM
Jen

In my opinion ...

In all probability ... Paulus and Joran were given a heads-up following the first meeting that Patrick van der Eem had with the CIE ... the first meeting with the CEI when Patrick attempted to make a financial deal for secretly recording a FULL CONFESSION.

Jen ... do you sincerely believe that the authorities in Holland and/or Aruba would have with withheld this information from Paulus and Joran?  Do you sincerely believe that those who had adhered to the cover-up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus from implication were now on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway?

Janet

++++




Janet,

No - I don't think that those who helped Paulus and Joran would hesitate to let them know about a sting operation.

But I've got some thoughts for you also.

Do you honestly believe that every single officer in the Netherlands was in on the cover up?  Do you honestly believe that even every single officer on Aruba was in on it?

I don't.  I can't paint two whole countries' law enforcement officials with the brush of corruption without proof.  IMO, we have seen nothing to prove that any officer in the Netherlands has helped Joran and/or Paulus cover anything up.  But we have seen that some officers in Aruba were NOT in on the cover up.  Remember Lt Tromp?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 05:57:58 PM
One of the Aruban visitors that googled Johan's close up of Lorenzo's property
just said: Aruba......the provider and ISP were unknown.  Does that mean anything?

That's new.

Most say SETAR / SETARNET


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:58:49 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....


AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


_________________________________________________-

It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"


Self edit of link:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Thanks Mere!
I had tried the other one.  This one is much better. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 05:59:59 PM
One of the Aruban visitors that googled Johan's close up of Lorenzo's property
just said: Aruba......the provider and ISP were unknown.  Does that mean anything?

That's new.

Most say SETAR / SETARNET

I know!  That's why I found it suspicious.  I wondered if it was LE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 06:00:34 PM
Janet I searched to see your information in context....


AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE

“Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.”

Natalee Holloway's Uncle - March 13, 2008 - Scared Monkeys


_________________________________________________-

It is found at the link below, however it does not start with "AN ABSOLUTE PRINCIPLE"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2 see reply #686


In my opinion ... Private Eye's words imply an absolute principle.  Collaborating with the enemy in any situation will not result in a positive outcome.

Janet





But Janet, don't you think it is important to distinguish your OPINION from a person's actual quote?  You are making that appear that PrivateEye said that was an absolute principle when that was YOU saying it.

Please don't do that.  I was wracking my brain trying to remember when Private Eye ever said any such thing.

It's totally confusing.

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 06:03:00 PM
One of the Aruban visitors that googled Johan's close up of Lorenzo's property
just said: Aruba......the provider and ISP were unknown.  Does that mean anything?

That's new.

Most say SETAR / SETARNET

I know!  That's why I found it suspicious.  I wondered if it was LE.

Maybe or some government office?  OM or justice?  Something official?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 06:03:07 PM

On December 7th the Duarry link was posted at SM and Magnolia discovered SOMEONE in Aruba seemed very interrested.

On December 8th, the Duarry link information was posted at BFN, maybe by Edward...I'm not sure.  Right after it was posted a NEW MEMBER posted at BFN by the name of FLORIS.  Floris proceeded to post about how they knew where Natalee was buried on the island.  Here are a couple of Floris's posts:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/FlorisBFN120809a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/FlorisBFN120809b.jpg)

This would be the approximate area Floris was referring to:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WestinBubaliMillResort.jpg)

FLORIS posted about 30 times before deleting their posts (sure sounds like REALITY). 

I have most if not all of the FLORIS posts at BFN but I'm not going to post them.  It appears to me that FLORIS (maybe Reality) was posting to change the subject away from Duarry.
[/quote]


FISHCLINT's phone must be turned off!
 ::hohohosanta::
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
What was it Rob said about the internet and Oduber?  That some how the governemnt got control of it or something like that?

Anyone recall?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 06:04:56 PM
Following Patrick vander Eem revealing all at the CIE meetings ... an agent referred him to Peter Devries.

Think about Patrick vander Eem's character ... his criminal/addictive history.   Somehow I do not believe that the CIE or the ALE would be collaborating directly with this guy to further the Aruban cover-up of distancing Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoe's from implication.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 10, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
In a concession to Tiger -- they have agreed to change their name to "Nooky".  ::MonkeyWink::

HA HA HA

takes hole in one to a whole new level don't it.


 ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 06:09:39 PM
Following Patrick vander Eem revealing all at the CIE meetings ... an agent referred him to Peter Devries.

Think about Patrick vander Eem's character ... his criminal/addictive history.   Somehow I do not believe that the CIE or the ALE would be collaborating directly with this guy to further the Aruban cover-up of distancing Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoe's from implication.

Janet

All just your speculation.  You would never get Joran to trust a squeeky clean guy. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
Following Patrick vander Eem revealing all at the CIE meetings ... an agent referred him to Peter Devries.

Think about Patrick vander Eem's character ... his criminal/addictive history.   Somehow I do not believe that the CIE or the ALE would be collaborating directly with this guy to further the Aruban cover-up of distancing Paulus van der Sloot and the Kalpoe's from implication.

Janet

Given that Peter de Vries has outed several governemnt officials and makes a living making the law enforcement in the Netherlands look bad, I can't see them sharing anything with him, either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
I have heard that Floris' theory about seeing the site from the top of the Westin and the Bird Sanctuary before.
Can't remember where.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 06:14:43 PM
As for Peter de Vries arranging for the car not to be stopped, it would be a real good idea to do that since they were huffing and puffing dope in it.  While not totally illegal in the Netherlands, I do think it is much like alcohol in this country, sort of frowned upon while driving.

I'd think he would at least ask for police cooperation in that regard.  I know I would.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 06:25:00 PM
Jen

In my opinion ...

In all probability ... Paulus and Joran were given a heads-up following the first meeting that Patrick van der Eem had with the CIE ... the first meeting with the CEI when Patrick attempted to make a financial deal for secretly recording a FULL CONFESSION.

Jen ... do you sincerely believe that the authorities in Holland and/or Aruba would have with withheld this information from Paulus and Joran?  Do you sincerely believe that those who had adhered to the cover-up agenda to protect Joran and Paulus from implication were now on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway?

Janet

++++




Janet,

No - I don't think that those who helped Paulus and Joran would hesitate to let them know about a sting operation.

But I've got some thoughts for you also.

Do you honestly believe that every single officer in the Netherlands was in on the cover up?  Do you honestly believe that even every single officer on Aruba was in on it?

I don't.  I can't paint two whole countries' law enforcement officials with the brush of corruption without proof.  IMO, we have seen nothing to prove that any officer in the Netherlands has helped Joran and/or Paulus cover anything up.  But we have seen that some officers in Aruba were NOT in on the cover up.  Remember Lt Tromp?

No I don't.

However ... considering the main suspects have not been held accountable ... justice has not prevailed for Natalee Holloway ... I believe that strings are being pulled in Holland to protect Paulus and Joran from implication.  IMO ... Beth Holloway is right on when she says "Somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be."

Where is Roy Tromp today?  Following his words to the media ... silence!

 Janet

++++++++

LT. ROY TROMP

Aug 5, 2005 5:34 pm US/Eastern Judge Wants Aruba Witness In Court
Testimony Could Show Suspect's Statements Are Contradictory


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CBS) ―  A judge has asked for sworn testimony from a man who claims he saw a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway driving with two friends on the night the U.S. teenager was last seen in public, the lead investigator in the case said Friday.

Authorities believe the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago, said Lt. Roy Tromp.

"The judge wants to hear his statement, take it under oath. Then the prosecution can use it," Tromp told The Associated Press.

Separately, a judge was expected to rule Friday on a petition by the defense to prohibit Aruban authorities from sharing information with the FBI, which gained access to material about the case at the urging of the island's prime minister.

It was not known when the potential witness, whose name has not been disclosed, would appear before the judge. The hearing would not be open to the public.

The investigator said the man told police that he saw van der Sloot, who is in police custody, driving near a pond by the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30, and that at the time he was with two Surinamese brothers who were detained and later released.

The account is significant because van der Sloot told authorities that he was already at home by 2:30 a.m. and that he had left the missing teen, unharmed, at a beach near the Marriott.

Based on the witness account, police partially drained the pond but found no evidence.

Another alleged witness, who claimed he saw men dumping a woman's body at a landfill on the Dutch Caribbean island, will not testify because authorities do not believe him.

"We've checked it out a few times and don't think the account is credible," Tromp said.

Holloway was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and the two brothers on the final night of a high school graduation trip with 124 classmates to Aruba. Authorities and volunteers have made extensive searches of the island but found no trace of the missing teen.

CBS News Correspondent Mike Kirsch reports that Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, remains steadfast in her belief that suspect Joran van der Sloot and his two friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, know more than they're telling about the disappearance of her daughter.

"I don't know if they killed her. I don't know if they traded her. I don't know. I don't have any idea," she told Kirsch.

Although, it's been widely established that Natalee willingly left the nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Kirsch reports that Twitty now says she thinks her daughter was tricked.

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island.

"We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

Paul van der Sloot, 52, was detained in June but released four days later. He has denied any involvement in the disappearance and has declined repeated requests for interviews.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 10, 2009, 06:35:36 PM
Being that Patrick has been detained in Aruba...

How do you think he is being treated ?? Would be interesting to know...

Do they like him (for colluding) OR hate him (for exposing) ??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 10, 2009, 06:40:00 PM

On December 7th the Duarry link was posted at SM and Magnolia discovered SOMEONE in Aruba seemed very interrested.

On December 8th, the Duarry link information was posted at BFN, maybe by Edward...I'm not sure.  Right after it was posted a NEW MEMBER posted at BFN by the name of FLORIS.  Floris proceeded to post about how they knew where Natalee was buried on the island.  Here are a couple of Floris's posts:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/FlorisBFN120809a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/FlorisBFN120809b.jpg)

This would be the approximate area Floris was referring to:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WestinBubaliMillResort.jpg)

FLORIS posted about 30 times before deleting their posts (sure sounds like REALITY). 

I have most if not all of the FLORIS posts at BFN but I'm not going to post them.  It appears to me that FLORIS (maybe Reality) was posting to change the subject away from Duarry.


FISHCLINT's phone must be turned off!
 ::hohohosanta::
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::

[/quote]

Kermit,

It is very nice to see you here...

I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts. You seem ever so insightful...

This case has always seemed like:
When people get close to truths, the distractors come out in full force.

Unfortunately (for them), there patterns are way too transparent ...

"FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU...FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME"

Thanks,
BUCKSHOT

Did not mean to single Kermie out, as I enjoy reading everyone's posts and opinions here at SM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 10, 2009, 06:42:32 PM
What was it Rob said about the internet and Oduber?  That some how the governemnt got control of it or something like that?

Anyone recall?

Freebirds did a doc on it.  "Controlling the Message"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
Jen

I believe Lt. Tromp was a good cop.  I believe he was revealing the truth.  However ... those pulling the strings in the cover-up ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

WITNESS STATEMENT - JUNE 14, 2005

Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 14 June 2005 / 21:10
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
Description: witness statement


WITNESS STATEMENT - JUNE 18, 2005

Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 18 June 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 10 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator. Roland Tromp/ Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 06:59:51 PM
Being that Patrick has been detained in Aruba...

How do you think he is being treated ?? Would be interesting to know...

Do they like him (for colluding) OR hate him (for exposing) ??

Patrick spent a few days in custody after the arrest, but he was released.  As far as I know he is not in custody now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 07:04:08 PM
Being that Patrick has been detained in Aruba...

How do you think he is being treated ?? Would be interesting to know...

Do they like him (for colluding) OR hate him (for exposing) ??

Patrick spent a few days in custody after the arrest, but he was released.  As far as I know he is not in custody now.

He remains on free feet as the Aruban papers would say.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 07:12:28 PM
Again ... I believe that Paulus van der Sloot was given a heads-up by Dutch authorities following Patrick vander Eem revealing his plans to secretly record Joran van der Sloot.

Janet

++++++++

THE HAGUE

Scarborough Country - November 7, 2005

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  Another strange twist in the Holloway story tonight. Aruba authorities have sent a letter to Alabama Governor Bob Riley that may make a new investigation even harder to move forward with.

The letter says in part:

“The chief prosecutor leading the investigation and the General Prosecutor are appointed by the Kingdom Government in the Hague. Because of separation of powers, the government of Aruba has no authority to intervene in the investigation.”

Dept. of Foreign Affairs, Nov. 4
Source: Dept of Foreign Affairs, Aruba


SCARBOROUGH:  After all these months you and your family have been suffering, you find out that the Aruba authorities claim they have absolutely no say in this investigation?  Where do you go from here?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:  Well, that’s really unbelievable that they take the wash their hands approach. We’re going to proceed on with The Hague, I guess. Also, our six page letter we were asked to provide to the Attorney General and we provided a carbon copy to the PM and Condoleezza Rice. We have not heard a response to that letter yet.

SCARBOROUGH:  Dave, I’ve been asking the question for months on people down on the ground down in Aruba who has the power to run this investigation? Who has the power to hire? Who has the power to fire? Who has the power to subpoena? Nobody seems to know. This really does look like a banana republic down there. Anytime anyone gets cornered down there, they just point the finger across the Atlantic.

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that seems to be the case. We’ve been running around in circles for five months now. When we reduce it down to writing, they put it back in writing and it’s obvious they are pointing the finger somewhere else now.


On the Record w/ Greta - November 9, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right, the idea of the boycott and Governor Riley how did this come about?

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: You know, Greta, I was thinking about that. Aruba really has made us evolve to this position because, you know, what Aruba and The Hague have done to us is they've been dishonest from the beginning. If they would just have been forthcoming from the beginning to lead us to the proper authorities we would never be in this position right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you identify one particular person, if we could sort of chisel away and find out who it is that we need to get to, to get information, so that we can sort of break this log jam who is that person?

TWITTY: Well, I think that's the $64 question and now we've got Aruba playing the blame game with The Hague. I mean I thought only the suspects were doing the blame game. It looks like Aruba and The Hague now are playing the blame game, Greta. It's hard to tell.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right and just so that the viewers, I understand what you're talking about, you got a letter in which it explained what the Arubans said to you that The Hague has been calling the shots, is that right, in the investigation?

TWITTY: Yes, they're saying, in the letter it states that the Aruban government has no authority to intervene in the investigation. Now then why have we been running around on the island submitting written and verbal requests for help from the governor, from the minister of justice, the prime minister? I mean the list is endless, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there, I mean like where is most of your frustration? Is it directed at a particular person? I mean I know that fundamentally that you want information about your daughter. Every parent wants that. But is there someone who you think is standing in the way more than another?

TWITTY: I don't think it's someone. I think it's something. I think it's the dishonesty that has been coming out of that island since May 31st and all we have wanted for them to be as honest with us and be forthcoming and tell us and lead us in the proper direction. That's all we've asked. That's all we've asked of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175101,00.html
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 07:28:43 PM



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 07:33:34 PM
Again ... I believe that Paulus van der Sloot was given a heads-up by Dutch authorities following Patrick vander Eem revealing his plans to secretly record Joran van der Sloot.

Janet

++++++++

THE HAGUE

Scarborough Country - November 7, 2005

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  Another strange twist in the Holloway story tonight. Aruba authorities have sent a letter to Alabama Governor Bob Riley that may make a new investigation even harder to move forward with.

The letter says in part:

“The chief prosecutor leading the investigation and the General Prosecutor are appointed by the Kingdom Government in the Hague. Because of separation of powers, the government of Aruba has no authority to intervene in the investigation.”

Dept. of Foreign Affairs, Nov. 4
Source: Dept of Foreign Affairs, Aruba


SCARBOROUGH:  After all these months you and your family have been suffering, you find out that the Aruba authorities claim they have absolutely no say in this investigation?  Where do you go from here?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:  Well, that’s really unbelievable that they take the wash their hands approach. We’re going to proceed on with The Hague, I guess. Also, our six page letter we were asked to provide to the Attorney General and we provided a carbon copy to the PM and Condoleezza Rice. We have not heard a response to that letter yet.

SCARBOROUGH:  Dave, I’ve been asking the question for months on people down on the ground down in Aruba who has the power to run this investigation? Who has the power to hire? Who has the power to fire? Who has the power to subpoena? Nobody seems to know. This really does look like a banana republic down there. Anytime anyone gets cornered down there, they just point the finger across the Atlantic.

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that seems to be the case. We’ve been running around in circles for five months now. When we reduce it down to writing, they put it back in writing and it’s obvious they are pointing the finger somewhere else now.


On the Record w/ Greta - November 9, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right, the idea of the boycott and Governor Riley how did this come about?

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: You know, Greta, I was thinking about that. Aruba really has made us evolve to this position because, you know, what Aruba and The Hague have done to us is they've been dishonest from the beginning. If they would just have been forthcoming from the beginning to lead us to the proper authorities we would never be in this position right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Can you identify one particular person, if we could sort of chisel away and find out who it is that we need to get to, to get information, so that we can sort of break this log jam who is that person?

TWITTY: Well, I think that's the $64 question and now we've got Aruba playing the blame game with The Hague. I mean I thought only the suspects were doing the blame game. It looks like Aruba and The Hague now are playing the blame game, Greta. It's hard to tell.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right and just so that the viewers, I understand what you're talking about, you got a letter in which it explained what the Arubans said to you that The Hague has been calling the shots, is that right, in the investigation?

TWITTY: Yes, they're saying, in the letter it states that the Aruban government has no authority to intervene in the investigation. Now then why have we been running around on the island submitting written and verbal requests for help from the governor, from the minister of justice, the prime minister? I mean the list is endless, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there, I mean like where is most of your frustration? Is it directed at a particular person? I mean I know that fundamentally that you want information about your daughter. Every parent wants that. But is there someone who you think is standing in the way more than another?

TWITTY: I don't think it's someone. I think it's something. I think it's the dishonesty that has been coming out of that island since May 31st and all we have wanted for them to be as honest with us and be forthcoming and tell us and lead us in the proper direction. That's all we've asked. That's all we've asked of them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175101,00.html
 


 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 07:47:28 PM
Again today the forum has been led away from meaningful discussion.

It is just like the poster at BFN trying to change the subject.

Sometimes I wonder whose side some of our posters are on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 10, 2009, 07:48:48 PM
Again today the forum has been led away from meaningful discussion.

It is just like the poster at BFN trying to change the subject.

Sometimes I wonder whose side some of our posters are on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 10, 2009, 07:49:53 PM
I meant to say... Magnolia You took the words right out of My Mouth....I completely Agree!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 07:51:18 PM
I meant to say... Magnolia You took the words right out of My Mouth....I completely Agree!

Happy to see you Hotping. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 10, 2009, 07:54:03 PM
I meant to say... Magnolia You took the words right out of My Mouth....I completely Agree!

Happy to see you Hotping. ::ElfMonkey::
Thank You Magnolia..... I have been super busy...We are having carpets cleaned here at home and its alot of work moving everything around......and getting it back in place....Almost done though...Thank Goodness!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 07:59:43 PM
I meant to say... Magnolia You took the words right out of My Mouth....I completely Agree!

Happy to see you Hotping. ::ElfMonkey::
Thank You Magnolia..... I have been super busy...We are having carpets cleaned here at home and its alot of work moving everything around......and getting it back in place....Almost done though...Thank Goodness!  ::MonkeyDance::


The carpets will be lovely for Christmas though. ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
Again today the forum has been led away from meaningful discussion.

It is just like the poster at BFN trying to change the subject.

Sometimes I wonder whose side some of our posters are on.

I was thinking it too, thanks for saying it!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
Again today the forum has been led away from meaningful discussion.

It is just like the poster at BFN trying to change the subject.

Sometimes I wonder whose side some of our posters are on.

Magnolia ... on this we agree and ... I find it so troubling.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 08:07:21 PM


Great to see you Hotping!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


I was just thinking last night, I need to clean my carpets too!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 08:11:35 PM
Again today the forum has been led away from meaningful discussion.

It is just like the poster at BFN trying to change the subject.

Sometimes I wonder whose side some of our posters are on.

Magnolia ... on this we agree and ... I find it so troubling.

Janet


What was it that caused you to move to the dark side?  Maybe we can help you come back to
the side of justice for Natalee.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
Again today the forum has been led away from meaningful discussion.

It is just like the poster at BFN trying to change the subject.

Sometimes I wonder whose side some of our posters are on.

Magnolia ... on this we agree and ... I find it so troubling.

Janet






Sorry, I didn't mean to invade your box....

What was it that caused you to move to the dark side?  Maybe we can help you come back to
the side of justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2009, 08:22:20 PM
I do not mind being a lone voice regarding my speculations on a topic but ... being attacked for those speculations when the truth is still elusive is emotionally draining.  I had a reason for keeping on ... but I concede defeat.

I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 08:32:39 PM
Don't miss Dana Pretzer tonight at 9pm ET:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pretzer121009.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
I see it's a bit of a full moon everywhere  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I find it extremely interesting that the moment we started talking about Duarry, someone in Aruba is searching SM and Duarry and the next day, someone is posting they know where Natalee can be found at BFN.   The person FLORIS at BFN has the same writing style as REALITY and the same habit of deleting their posts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 10, 2009, 08:54:53 PM
I am not sure if anyone is aware of how quickly our posts are picked up on a google search.  I think it is more important that what we say about people is as true as we can make it. 

Janet's last post is there..... google Scared Monkeys and lone voice....

Janet's statement about An Absolute Principle is there....

We do not have the luxury to put words in someone's mouth.  I think we need to be clear when quoting another. 

Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 10, 2009, 08:55:57 PM
I see it's a bit of a full moon everywhere  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I find it extremely interesting that the moment we started talking about Duarry, someone in Aruba is searching SM and Duarry and the next day, someone is posting they know where Natalee can be found at BFN.   The person FLORIS at BFN has the same writing style as REALITY and the same habit of deleting their posts.



“If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck” --Proverb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 09:10:25 PM
Does anybody remember the theory that the person at BFN is talking about?
I nearly know that I have heard that before.
Can see the site from the top of the Westin(name now) near the bird sancutary.
An old picture showed lots of woods or greenery around the bird sanctuary.
I just can't remember where I saw it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
Does anybody remember the theory that the person at BFN is talking about?
I nearly know that I have heard that before.
Can see the site from the top of the Westin(name now) near the bird sancutary.
An old picture showed lots of woods or greenery around the bird sanctuary.
I just can't remember where I saw it.

I thought it sounded familiar too, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 10, 2009, 09:21:01 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397192

#273 - is that the picture?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
I see it's a bit of a full moon everywhere  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I find it extremely interesting that the moment we started talking about Duarry, someone in Aruba is searching SM and Duarry and the next day, someone is posting they know where Natalee can be found at BFN.   The person FLORIS at BFN has the same writing style as REALITY and the same habit of deleting their posts.

Yes it is interesting, and so obvious.   ::MonkeyRoll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 09:29:15 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397192

#273 - is that the picture?


That is a great picture, but the one I am thinking of was an overhead.

I found this at RU. 
It was Scubajap posting that theory at FOB.  I used to read there everyday.

sunmoonstars Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:26 am   
Interesting post from scubajap on Freedom of blog

BTW-I saw some action around the Bubali Plas tonight. police cars and a firetruck and a team with shovels. I had noticed a bulldozer had been digging there a few days ago. I don't know if this has to do with the case, but I can't imagine any other reason for them to be digging around there in the night, could you?

I would have checked things out, but I did not have my camera and they were moving people along, so........ Will check it out in the morning. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 10, 2009, 09:33:25 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397192

#273 - is that the picture?

Here's the pic.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub4/birdsanct.jpg)

Palm Beach high-rise hotel area. Westin hotel is in the forefront, behind RIU Aruba Palace hotel that is presently under construction. Image is taking at Bubali bird sanctuary.

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2759665680100191119FJedxZ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 10, 2009, 09:36:02 PM
2NJSons_Mom, MuffyBee, Magnolia, BoxerDawg, texasmom, Mere and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.

Magnolia, I seem to remember something, too.  Just can't nail it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 10, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
I just went back and read some of DISPOSED again:
(1)Patrick approached Netherlands first about getting Joran to confess.
(2)Joran gets arrested in Netherlands and extradited back to Aruba (with K2 in Aruba), then released, before recordings.
(3)Peter met Mos before final interview. Mos was aboard the Persistence. When do prosecutors help w/ searches (in USA)?
(4)Joran got transcripts of Mos/DeVries interview just before DeVries show aired. Prosecutor info gets to prime suspect. How?
There was ample time and opportunity for Joran to be tipped off. Just sayin'.
It is not inconceivable to me that Joran was narrating a script.
Not beating dead horse, but it IS possible that covert operation was infiltrated.
If infiltrated, parts still seemed very real to me. Convulsions and disposal at sea - definitely.

DeVries is a stand-up guy, in my opinion. His heart and intentions are in the right place, to me.
Nothing in this case would surprise me, though...Every day, every discussion gets us one step closer.

The recordings, as seen on TV, definitely gave the world a chance to view Joran (in his element). Carefree adolescent smoking weed, acting like a bigshot, unlike the innocent sporter image, his parents so desperately sought to portray. Sociopath...

About Daury...Someone in Aruba must be getting a little nervous. Disinformant posters have definite pattern and seem to fool no one here at SM. As stated before, as we near the truth, they seem to come out in full force.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 09:40:08 PM
2NJSons_Mom, MuffyBee, Magnolia, BoxerDawg, texasmom, Mere and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.

Magnolia, I seem to remember something, too.  Just can't nail it.

I can see the picture in my head.  Somebody had made it from the top of the Westin
and the theory about Natalee being buried there.  I think it was a male, but can not
place it right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 10, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
I had to say that..
I know it is a sensitive subject.
Needed to get off my chest.
I was not around when it was discussed (originally)..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 10, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
While searching, I found a little Robots action:

#31, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.msg320576



Was the Westin the Wyndham?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 10:29:39 PM
While searching, I found a little Robots action:

#31, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.msg320576



Was the Westin the Wyndham?





I think it was.  I get all of those "Ws" mixed up. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 10, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
IIRC

Bird Sanctuary was where they found the condoms and large flowered panties, maybe duct tape....could have been the "original" "planned" location???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 10, 2009, 10:40:16 PM
I found this from our very own Kermit, who I am sure is a boy monkey. ::ElfMonkey::





 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #376 on: July 30, 2009, 05:09:05 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: klaasend on July 30, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
The bird sactuary was one of the areas that they really didn't search well due to getting stuck in the mud.  It would be a perfect place to dispose of a body, IMO. 


One of the most telling things that indicates Joran did go to this area is:
Deepak called Joran and Joran said he was near the Wyndham
Then Joran was back at the Racquet Club where he says he left his bag & put on sandals to walk to the Marriott to look for his tennis shoes.
 
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 10:45:09 PM
I see it's a bit of a full moon everywhere  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I find it extremely interesting that the moment we started talking about Duarry, someone in Aruba is searching SM and Duarry and the next day, someone is posting they know where Natalee can be found at BFN.   The person FLORIS at BFN has the same writing style as REALITY and the same habit of deleting their posts.

Yes it is interesting, and so obvious.   ::MonkeyRoll::




And to cast doubt about the upcoming de Vries program as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 10, 2009, 10:49:19 PM
While searching, I found a little Robots action:

#31, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.msg320576



Was the Westin the Wyndham?





I think it was.  I get all of those "Ws" mixed up. ::MonkeyHaHa::



Just had to check with you guys.  While searching I found references to Westin, prevously the Wyndham......My memory isn't bad, but it's not perfection.

::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 11:06:17 PM
Anyone remember if the bird sanctuary connects to the Spanish Lagoon?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
Anyone remember if the bird sanctuary connects to the Spanish Lagoon?

I don't think so.  I think the Spanish Lagoon is down closer to the refinery.  I'll check.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 10, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
Anyone remember if the bird sanctuary connects to the Spanish Lagoon?

I don't think so.  I think the Spanish Lagoon is down closer to the refinery.  I'll check.

The bird sanctuary is up near the hotels.  The Spanish Lagoon is down by Savaneta nowhere near the Palm Beach hotel area.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 10, 2009, 11:34:55 PM
Good night, night crew......


Bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2009, 11:35:48 PM
Anyone remember if the bird sanctuary connects to the Spanish Lagoon?

I don't think so.  I think the Spanish Lagoon is down closer to the refinery.  I'll check.

The bird sanctuary is up near the hotels.  The Spanish Lagoon is down by Savaneta nowhere near the Palm Beach hotel area.

Thanks, Klaas.  I thought that too but think it is the same kind of weedy water so thought maybe one ran into the other.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 10, 2009, 11:40:09 PM
Good night, night crew......


Bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

G'nite, Mere.  I'm not far behind you....still taking my meds for the sinus/bronchial infection...sleep is calling me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 11:44:25 PM
Good night, night crew......


Bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Mere!  Sweet dreams!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 11:46:15 PM
Good night, night crew......


Bed<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ::MonkeyBike::

G'nite, Mere.  I'm not far behind you....still taking my meds for the sinus/bronchial infection...sleep is calling me.

I hope you're all better soon 2NJ!   :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 10, 2009, 11:56:34 PM
12/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12112009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

patrick van der eem achieve culpable of posecion of drugs y owing to menaza one guardia of hotel cu dead patrick van der eem have to pay multa of 2000 guilder

yesterday morning in corte of first instancia owing to deal the caso penal cu ministerio publico owing to cuminsa contra patrick van der eem.

as is conoci at august van der eem owing to wordo deteni at aruba for posecion of drugs y owing to menaza one person.

the person is one guardia of seguridad of the hotel caminda patrick van der eem was stay. t’asina cu patrick van der eem not owing to come aruba for stop responsible for thing past owing to haci. past owing to let his advocate mr. the.schwengle defende.

fiscal owing to acusa patrick van der eem of posecion of cocaina among 16 y 24 of august 2009. also the is wordo acusa of posecion of marihuana on 16 of august 2009. t’asina cu in two hotel past owing to wordo achieve cu drugs. besides patrick van der eem is wordo acusa of owing to menaza one guardia of hotel in the period of 14 y 17 of august 2009. the will owing to tell the guardia cu the will mate. the guardia is r.v.

by cu patrick van der eem not owing to present, huez owing to tell fiscal p’e read his rekisitorio. fiscal owing to tell huez cu the is achieve all 3 acusacion prove. t’asina cu patrick van der eem owing to admiti cu the is one usado of drugs.

by cu patrick van der eem owing to smoke marihuana in bedroom of one hotel, one guardia of seguridad owing to bay wing his atencion y bis’e cu according maneho of the hotel the have to pay one multa of 200 dollar.

patrick van der eem owing to angry y owing to menaza the guardia of seguridad y after owing to leave of the hotel also. by cu the guardia of seguridad owing to haci denuncia of menaza, patrick van der eem owing to wordo deteni in one another hotel, caminda in the bedroom owing to come achieve drugs.

t’asina cu patrick van der eem will owing to menaza the guardia in one club noctorno also. besides the will owing to let know of owing to pay one person 500 dolar for maltrata the guardia of seguridad. patrick van der eem owing to declara at police cu the is using drugs, but the drugs achieve in bedroom of hotel do not of dje.

past owing to desmenti of owing to pay person 500 dollar for maltrata r.v. according van der eem the was angry y was mouth big, but none instant his intencion was for bay maltrata the guardia of seguridad.

fiscal owing to cuestiona the brutalidad of patrick van der eem y owing to tell cu anteriormente owing to arrive at one palabracion cu patrick van der eem, cu if the pay one multa of 2 thousand guilder, the caso penal will not follow.

by cu patrick van der eem not owing to haci this, the caso owing to come fast yesterday caminda fiscal owing to exigi 2400 guilder of multa y if patrick van der eem not pay the will have to bay 48 day close.

huez after of owing to listen the defence of advocate mr. schwengle owing to dicta sentencia of trip. huez is achieve prove cu patrick van der eem intencionalmente owing to menaza the guardia of seguridad y also cu the was in posecion of marihuana.

the part of cocaina huez not owing to achieve prove by cu not have one raport of laboratory cu is proof this. by cu the part of cocaina not owing to stay prove, huez owing to condena van der eem at 2000 guilder multa y if the not pay the will have to bay close 40 day.[/b]



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 12:09:01 AM
 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 12:09:17 AM
12/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

patrick van der eem achieve culpable of posecion of drugs y owing to menaza one guardia of hotel cu dead patrick van der eem have to pay multa of 2000 guilder

yesterday morning in corte of first instancia owing to deal the caso penal cu ministerio publico owing to cuminsa contra patrick van der eem.

as is conoci at august van der eem owing to wordo deteni at aruba for posecion of drugs y owing to menaza one person.

the person is one guardia of seguridad of the hotel caminda patrick van der eem was stay. t’asina cu patrick van der eem not owing to come aruba for stop responsible for thing past owing to haci. past owing to let his advocate mr. the.schwengle defende.

fiscal owing to acusa patrick van der eem of posecion of cocaina among 16 y 24 of august 2009. also the is wordo acusa of posecion of marihuana on 16 of august 2009. t’asina cu in two hotel past owing to wordo achieve cu drugs. besides patrick van der eem is wordo acusa of owing to menaza one guardia of hotel in the period of 14 y 17 of august 2009. the will owing to tell the guardia cu the will mate. the guardia is r.v.

by cu patrick van der eem not owing to present, huez owing to tell fiscal p’e read his rekisitorio. fiscal owing to tell huez cu the is achieve all 3 acusacion prove. t’asina cu patrick van der eem owing to admiti cu the is one usado of drugs.

by cu patrick van der eem owing to smoke marihuana in bedroom of one hotel, one guardia of seguridad owing to bay wing his atencion y bis’e cu according maneho of the hotel the have to pay one multa of 200 dollar.

patrick van der eem owing to angry y owing to menaza the guardia of seguridad y after owing to leave of the hotel also. by cu the guardia of seguridad owing to haci denuncia of menaza, patrick van der eem owing to wordo deteni in one another hotel, caminda in the bedroom owing to come achieve drugs.

t’asina cu patrick van der eem will owing to menaza the guardia in one club noctorno also. besides the will owing to let know of owing to pay one person 500 dolar for maltrata the guardia of seguridad. patrick van der eem owing to declara at police cu the is using drugs, but the drugs achieve in bedroom of hotel do not of dje.

past owing to desmenti of owing to pay person 500 dollar for maltrata r.v. according van der eem the was angry y was mouth big, but none instant his intencion was for bay maltrata the guardia of seguridad.

fiscal owing to cuestiona the brutalidad of patrick van der eem y owing to tell cu anteriormente owing to arrive at one palabracion cu patrick van der eem, cu if the pay one multa of 2 thousand guilder, the caso penal will not follow.

by cu patrick van der eem not owing to haci this, the caso owing to come fast yesterday caminda fiscal owing to exigi 2400 guilder of multa y if patrick van der eem not pay the will have to bay 48 day close.

huez after of owing to listen the defence of advocate mr. schwengle owing to dicta sentencia of trip. huez is achieve prove cu patrick van der eem intencionalmente owing to menaza the guardia of seguridad y also cu the was in posecion of marihuana.

the part of cocaina huez not owing to achieve prove by cu not have one raport of laboratory cu is proof this. by cu the part of cocaina not owing to stay prove, huez owing to condena van der eem at 2000 guilder multa y if the not pay the will have to bay close 40 day.[/b]



Rudolph Vrojlic? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 12:11:05 AM

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Interesting huh?  And what it comes down to....all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 12:13:36 AM

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Interesting huh?  And what it comes down to....all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!



Yep! ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 12:21:13 AM
TMoM,
Will you venture a guess at what that article says?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 12:30:03 AM
patrick van der eem achieve culpable of posecion of drugs y owing to menaza one guardia of hotel cu dead patrick van der eem have to pay multa of 2000 guilder

I think that I can do the headline........

Patrick van der Eem has been found guilty of possession of drugs and trying to menace a guard at the hotel with
death threats.   van der Eem will have to pay a fine of 2000 guilders.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 12:44:47 AM
TMoM,
Will you venture a guess at what that article says?

Patrick was not present in court.  He was represented by an attorney named Schwengle.

Patrick admitted using drugs and talking bad to the security guard, he was mad and had a big mouth but meant the guard no harm.

If I understand it correctly, although Patrick admitted using drugs he said the drugs that were found in the room were not his. 

He was accused of abusing or threatening guards at two hotels and the club nocturno.

He was charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana along with the menacing of the guards.

They did not present a laboratory test proving that the substance was cocaine, so the recommended fine of $2,400 was reduced to $2,000; and the days to serve if he doesn't pay reduced from 48 to 40.

If he pays the $2,000 guilders the case is over.  If he doesn't pay, he serves 40 days.

I think "multa" probably means "fine".

All just MY interpretation.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 12:56:01 AM
Remember when he was arrested, he supposedly had not paid his hotel bills.  No mention of that at all that I see. ::MonkeyWink::

His statement was read into the record, since he wasn't there.

I think he was accused of threatening to kill R.V.  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 12:56:25 AM
 
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:rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer:

??????




Hmmmmm  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:00:36 AM
 
:rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer:
:rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer:
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:rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer:
:rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer:

??????




Hmmmmm  ::MonkeyCool::

Very likely...JMO. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 01:04:01 AM
Remember when he was arrested, he supposedly had not paid his hotel bills.  No mention of that at all that I see. ::MonkeyWink::

His statement was read into the record, since he wasn't there.

I think he was accused of threatening to kill R.V.  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::




 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I know it is bad to find that comical but he did say he meant no real harm.  And threatened another guard at another hotel as well?  Seems a sort of pattern with PvE.  Didn't that tv personality also claim PvE threatened him as well?  Must be just how he talks maybe.  He really racks up the arrests Imustsay!

Colorful character for sure.

Thanks Magnolia and TxMom for your opinions on trying to translate.  My mind is just too tired to even try today.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:05:31 AM
No online Awe Mainta for today too...so far this month that's two.

The 4th and the 10th.

I think that's interesting.

What's happening that they don't want us to see?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:14:09 AM
Remember when he was arrested, he supposedly had not paid his hotel bills.  No mention of that at all that I see. ::MonkeyWink::

His statement was read into the record, since he wasn't there.

I think he was accused of threatening to kill R.V.  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::




 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I know it is bad to find that comical but he did say he meant no real harm.  And threatened another guard at another hotel as well?  Seems a sort of pattern with PvE.  Didn't that tv personality also claim PvE threatened him as well?  Must be just how he talks maybe.  He really racks up the arrests Imustsay!

Colorful character for sure.

Thanks Magnolia and TxMom for your opinions on trying to translate.  My mind is just too tired to even try today.


I think the pattern is that all of those lowlife's are jealous of his success (his legitimate business) and now his fame from working with Peter DeVries to show the real Joran Vandersloot to the world!  Poentje tried to get the same charges filed and didn't succeed.

RV and Poentje Castro are thisclose. 

I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong, I'm saying he was probably baited into it so they could COLLECT.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 01:15:34 AM
No online Awe Mainta for today too...so far this month that's two.

The 4th and the 10th.

I think that's interesting.

What's happening that they don't want us to see?

I think they get pretty festive around the holidays and not much work of any kind gets done.

Speaking of which, off to bed or I won't get much done myself,

Goodnite, all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:20:42 AM
No online Awe Mainta for today too...so far this month that's two.

The 4th and the 10th.

I think that's interesting.

What's happening that they don't want us to see?

I think they get pretty festive around the holidays and not much work of any kind gets done.

Speaking of which, off to bed or I won't get much done myself,

Goodnite, all.

Good night Anna!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 01:23:06 AM
Please join me in the twilight zone:

I was wondering what ever happened to Charlierat and I think I'm sorry I looked:

First there was an announcement back in May:  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CRbaby.jpg)

Then awaiting the birth in August:  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CRbaby1.jpg)

Then this!!!!!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CRbaby2.jpg)

AND since then very little and NEVER any baby pictures posted.  Sounds like even some of his BB friends are beginning to wonder if he's pulling a "Dolce"

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f25/any-news-papa-charlierat-13045/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 01:32:53 AM
Just can't picture it...sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CharlieRatTattoo3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:43:10 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 01:45:24 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:47:11 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



Good night Klaas!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm staying up for a while, don't want to risk a nightmare!   ::ElfMonkey::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:48:21 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::





 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".

Good night Klaas!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm staying up for a while, don't want to risk a nightmare!   ::ElfMonkey::

Edit to fix the stack!   ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 02:28:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 11, 2009, 02:46:05 AM
TMoM,
Will you venture a guess at what that article says?

Patrick was not present in court.  He was represented by an attorney named Schwengle.

Patrick admitted using drugs and talking bad to the security guard, he was mad and had a big mouth but meant the guard no harm.

If I understand it correctly, although Patrick admitted using drugs he said the drugs that were found in the room were not his. 

He was accused of abusing or threatening guards at two hotels and the club nocturno.

He was charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana along with the menacing of the guards.

They did not present a laboratory test proving that the substance was cocaine, so the recommended fine of $2,400 was reduced to $2,000; and the days to serve if he doesn't pay reduced from 48 to 40.

If he pays the $2,000 guilders the case is over.  If he doesn't pay, he serves 40 days.

I think "multa" probably means "fine".

All just MY interpretation.







Wonder what Patrick was doing in Aruba?
Is he back into his smuggling operation?
Is he back to see his fellow "gangster" Joran to smoke some weed and sniff some cocaine?
How about his wife and children?
He loves selling hoses back in the Netherlands. Wonder if he is trying to expand his business...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 03:04:45 AM
TMoM,
Will you venture a guess at what that article says?

Patrick was not present in court.  He was represented by an attorney named Schwengle.

Patrick admitted using drugs and talking bad to the security guard, he was mad and had a big mouth but meant the guard no harm.

If I understand it correctly, although Patrick admitted using drugs he said the drugs that were found in the room were not his. 

He was accused of abusing or threatening guards at two hotels and the club nocturno.

He was charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana along with the menacing of the guards.

They did not present a laboratory test proving that the substance was cocaine, so the recommended fine of $2,400 was reduced to $2,000; and the days to serve if he doesn't pay reduced from 48 to 40.

If he pays the $2,000 guilders the case is over.  If he doesn't pay, he serves 40 days.

I think "multa" probably means "fine".

All just MY interpretation.







Wonder what Patrick was doing in Aruba?
Is he back into his smuggling operation?
Is he back to see his fellow "gangster" Joran to smoke some weed and sniff some cocaine?
How about his wife and children?
He loves selling hoses back in the Netherlands. Wonder if he is trying to expand his business...



Have you been to Aruba lately?

Maybe he was there to see family, gamble in a tournament, or any number of reasons others go there.  He grew up there.

Do you really think Joran is there?

Smuggling...with his notoriety?  Doubt it.

They do have a new Caterpillar company there, and I'm sure with all the development hoses break along the way...maybe he's considering opening a branch there?  Kinda doubt it though.

 JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 08:20:32 AM
Please join me in the twilight zone:

I was wondering what ever happened to Charlierat and I think I'm sorry I looked:

First there was an announcement back in May:  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CRbaby.jpg)

Then awaiting the birth in August:  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CRbaby1.jpg)

Then this!!!!!    ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CRbaby2.jpg)

AND since then very little and NEVER any baby pictures posted.  Sounds like even some of his BB friends are beginning to wonder if he's pulling a "Dolce"

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f25/any-news-papa-charlierat-13045/


Isn't/Wasn't arbeej = ----- Mom?   

As for the rest, I think this comes in handy         ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 08:36:14 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 11, 2009, 08:39:05 AM
 
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??????



I can honestly say it wouldn't surprise me in the least!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 11, 2009, 08:49:16 AM
Perhaps asking Patrick on his blog the full name of this R.V. would be a good idea?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 11, 2009, 08:51:57 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".

Ewwww............Chuckles procreated?!?!?!?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".

Ewwww............Chuckles procreated?!?!?!?  ::MonkeyEek::
....................... I think that's up for debate.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".

Ewwww............Chuckles procreated?!?!?!?  ::MonkeyEek::
....................... I think that's up for debate.  ::MonkeyWink::


I don't think I believe it because I don't want it to be true.
Maybe he got a puppy. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 11, 2009, 09:30:01 AM
That's the twilight zone alright.  I think I may puke. 

Married in May, baby in August.  Wonder what the hold up was on that wedding?

IF there is a baby at all, maybe he's not showing pictures because he's figured out, IT'S NOT HIS!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  On that note I'm calling it a night.  Can't wait for the others to wake up to this "news".

Ewwww............Chuckles procreated?!?!?!?  ::MonkeyEek::
....................... I think that's up for debate.  ::MonkeyWink::

Belated congrats to charlierat.

Sometimes, the best way to learn empathy for others, like parents, is shared experiences.

Ancient blessing goes something like this - 'May your offspring only give you half the pain and worry you gave your parents...'


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 11, 2009, 09:34:28 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 10:26:42 AM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 10:27:38 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 10:28:23 AM
Posted by Glenda at RU:

Peter de Vries on Sunday
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/11-12-09/P03.pdf

Rough Dutch to English translation

Iinterrogation Recordings of Joran on TV

From our correspondent
Orange City / Hilversum - Video Recording of the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot by the police will be aired this Sunday night on Dutch Television.
Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries has managed obtain exclusive images of Van der Sloot being interrogated by investigators as the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Case Holloway.
It is from the interrogation last year in the Netherlands after the hidden camera 'Car talks' with Patrick van der Eem.
The "Car talks" were arranged by Peter R. the Vries. The broadcasting of the recordings earned him an exception record of over 7 million viewers
also an Emmy Award. Video images will be aired this Sunday in a program from De Vries.
You will see how the suspect dressed in a thick jacket and with a woolen cap on his head as he enters the interrogation room and takes place on a chair behind a desk. Investigators hold him the question 'what is happened to your #ucking shoes?"
The question has to do with the fact that Joran on the night of Holloway's disappearance - May 30. 2005 - he lost his shoes, with or without intent to possible to suppress incriminating evidence.
Although the prosecution never has never been able to prove Van der Sloot knows what happened that night, the most likely scenario is broadly consistent with what he said in the car with Van der Eem: During a lovemaking on the beach near Fisherman's Huts the girl was probably by a combination lot of alcohol and possibly (party) drugs became unwell. Then became unconscious, after that Joran, in panic, dumped her body at sea. As he said, he receive some help from a friend.
The program of De Vries with the images of the interogation will be broadcast Sunday evening by SBS 6.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 10:29:15 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 10:31:58 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.
I meant to put a  ::MonkeyWink::  !!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.


The Birmingham News doesn't print birth announcements any longer and only paid wedding announcements.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 10:42:33 AM
The guy is 53 or 54 years old and looks like he doesn't even like women.  Something is fishy IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 10:50:52 AM
The guy is 53 or 54 years old and looks like he doesn't even like women.  Something is fishy IMO.
Are ya' kiddin' me???????????????? He looks awfully "Gangsta" to me!!!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CharlieRatTattoo3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 10:52:17 AM
I bet Tiger is working off his "scraps"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 10:53:22 AM


Good morning Monkeys!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 10:54:07 AM
The guy is 53 or 54 years old and looks like he doesn't even like women.  Something is fishy IMO.
Are ya' kiddin' me???????????????? He looks awfully "Gangsta" to me!!!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/CharlieRatTattoo3.jpg)


I found his bowling scores!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Community Sports: Bowling Report September 30, 2009 | Stories from ...

Sep 30, 2009 ... Feature stories and reports from The Birmingham News .... Chuck Ratcliff 268-- 615. Timothy Jackosn 222. LUNCH BUNCH Doran George 235 ...

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-stories/2009/09/community_sports_bowling_repor_2.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/12112009_Joran_AntilliaansDagblad_2.jpg)

Google translation:

Recordings interrogation of Joran on TV

From our correspondent

Orange City / Hilversum - Video Recording of the hearing of Joran van der Sloot by the police
are on Sunday night Dutch television. 

Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries has managed to herd focus on unique images which to see and hear how Van der Sloot as a suspect in head the disappearance of Natalee Case Holloway by investigators being interrogated.

It is the interrogation that him last year in the Netherlands after he fell in with a hidden camera included 'Car talks' against Patrick van der Eem advise the to the mysterious disappearance of the American student.

"Car talks" were arranged by Peter R. De Vries. The broadcasting of the recordings earned him an exception record of over 7 million viewers also an Emmy Award at.

The Public Ministry was the 'confession' response to Van der Sloot again to be heard.

Video images of Sunday in the interview are the program of De Vries shown.

To see how the suspect dressed in a thick jacket and with a woolen cap on his head the interrogation room enters and takes place on a chair behind a desk. Investigators hold him the question 'what is happened to your f***ing shoes.

The question has to do with the fact that Joran in the night Holloway of the soil which seems gone - May 30 2005 - lost his shoes, with or without intent to possible to suppress incriminating evidence.

Although the prosecution never has gone was its convinced that Van der Sloot knows what happened that night the student has done. It most likely scenario is broadly consistent with
he in the car with Van der Eem said: During a lovemaking on the beach near Fishermens hut the girl was probably by a combination lot of alcohol and possibly (party) drugs unwell. They became unconscious after Joran panic in her body at sea has dumped. As he said he would have some help in received from a friend.

The program of De Vries with the images of the hearing will be broadcast Sunday evening by SBS 6.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 10:56:35 AM
I bet Tiger is working off his "scraps"!

That's where Tiger got the one from the Waffle House. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 11:00:04 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.


The Birmingham News doesn't print birth announcements any longer and only paid wedding announcements.

I was looking, too, and thought of that.  Papers here have done the same.  Church bulletins still print this info about parishioners, though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 11:03:56 AM
I bet Tiger is working off his "scraps"!

That's where Tiger got the one from the Waffle House. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yeah,.............. Tiger wasn't so "picky" was he!!!!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(that solidifies for me that he is a "sex addict")


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 11:13:16 AM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.


The Birmingham News doesn't print birth announcements any longer and only paid wedding announcements.

I was looking, too, and thought of that.  Papers here have done the same.  Church bulletins still print this info about parishioners, though.


If he has a wife, it had to be a mail order bride. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't find him in the Birmingham Law Registry any longer.  Wonder if he's moved?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
I bet Tiger is working off his "scraps"!

That's where Tiger got the one from the Waffle House. ::MonkeyTongue::
Yeah,.............. Tiger wasn't so "picky" was he!!!!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(that solidifies for me that he is a "sex addict")


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 11:28:16 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 11:29:54 AM
The guy is 53 or 54 years old and looks like he doesn't even like women.  Something is fishy IMO.

My point exactly  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 11:30:53 AM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
 ::hohohosanta:: ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 12:51:03 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 12:53:27 PM
::hohohosanta:: ::snowmanlaugh::


Well, that 's an interesting bunch. ::hohohosanta::

Wonder what they are cooking up?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 01:09:36 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 01:12:12 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.

I had seen them, too....I was just playing with words & elfin' around. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 01:14:35 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or is the actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Medley posted this at Scrux.  This may be what they are "up to"  ::MonkeyCool::  Sorry for blowing the margins  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Medley1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.

I had seen them, too....I was just playing with words & elfin' around. 

Sorry 2NJ, it flew right over my head.  Hope you are feeling better today. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 01:30:40 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or is the actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?

I think Greta has not done sufficient research. ::ElfMonkey::

There was talk of two shows.  One being the Boulevard show with Peter as a guest and the other being the
show on Sunday night that shows the interrogations in NL.

I have not seen anything anywhere that the Jaap polygraph is about to air.
Wonder which one has been picked up by American TV?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 01:33:54 PM
Medley posted this at Scrux.  This may be what they are "up to"  ::MonkeyCool::  Sorry for blowing the margins  ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Medley1.jpg)



Now why would they be in such a state about a little ole boycott that hasn't hurt the
 island at all.....according to them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 01:36:39 PM
Thanks, Klaas.   

Magnolia, I'm feeling better each day, but still have some congestion.  Getting there, though....thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 11, 2009, 01:36:46 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or are these actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?

I think Greta has not done sufficient research. ::ElfMonkey::

There was talk of two shows.  One being the Boulevard show with Peter as a guest and the other being the
show on Sunday night that shows the interrogations in NL.

I have not seen anything anywhere that the Jaap polygraph is about to air.
Wonder which one has been picked up by American TV?
I guess what I'm asking is "are the Devries 'new' polygraph videos the same ones "Jaap" commissioned in a deal with Joran a few monts back?"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 01:44:01 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or are these actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?

I think Greta has not done sufficient research. ::ElfMonkey::

There was talk of two shows.  One being the Boulevard show with Peter as a guest and the other being the
show on Sunday night that shows the interrogations in NL.

I have not seen anything anywhere that the Jaap polygraph is about to air.
Wonder which one has been picked up by American TV?
I guess what I'm asking is "are the Devries 'new' polygraph videos the same ones "Jaap" commissioned in a deal with Joran a few monts back?"

My understanding is that Peter DeVries has obtained some video of the actual police interrogations of Joran right after the Joran/Patrick conversations show aired.

The lie detector test is Terror Jaap's thing, and I don't think it has anything to do with Peter's show.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 11, 2009, 01:50:10 PM
Charlie didn't run off with that monkey that used to post her, and stopped posting her a few years ago...did he?

I can't remember her name, but he posted about her in the lounge at RU.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 11, 2009, 01:51:43 PM
from the gretawire comments -

Quote
Maureen from ArubaReportYou all should ask Beth Twitty what happen to Natalee, cause when she came to Aruba, the first time, she talked with Natalee still alive then. SHe even posted a poster saying.. "we can talk" I ask was there a problem to talk a about? Why was she hidding from her mom in a house in Ponderosa? Why did the mother change the poster after she realise THat Natalee stop comunicating, cause now she knows she death. And beside Beth never cried in Aruba and was drinking and laughing at the hotel bars. RIP.

December 11, 2009 at 10:38 am


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 11, 2009, 01:54:24 PM
There are some ugly posts at GW -

Quote
oele
Report

Johan555 walks under the faeces falling from a chamber pot above his head and recieves a face full of human excrament.

December 11, 2009 at 1:14 pm

Johann555 "Joran in jail before Christmas ?"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 11, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
Charlie didn't run off with that monkey that used to post her, and stopped posting her a few years ago...did he?

I can't remember her name, but he posted about her in the lounge at RU.

I remember "Angie"  Charlie & Angie...

Did Angie have a baby?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 11, 2009, 01:56:31 PM
Charlie didn't run off with that monkey that used to post her, and stopped posting her a few years ago...did he?

I can't remember her name, but he posted about her in the lounge at RU.

I remember "Angie"  Charlie & Angie...

Did Angie have a baby?

sorry, my bad

"her" should be "here"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: snoopy on December 11, 2009, 01:58:06 PM
from the gretawire comments -

Quote
Maureen from ArubaReportYou all should ask Beth Twitty what happen to Natalee, cause when she came to Aruba, the first time, she talked with Natalee still alive then. SHe even posted a poster saying.. "we can talk" I ask was there a problem to talk a about? Why was she hidding from her mom in a house in Ponderosa? Why did the mother change the poster after she realise THat Natalee stop comunicating, cause now she knows she death. And beside Beth never cried in Aruba and was drinking and laughing at the hotel bars. RIP.

December 11, 2009 at 10:38 am

Someone should show this ignorant moron the picture of the 2 men holding Beth up after the FBI had given Beth the news that Natalee was most likely deceased.  These people really tick me off.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 02:02:59 PM
Thanks, Klaas.   

Magnolia, I'm feeling better each day, but still have some congestion.  Getting there, though....thanks.


Try some Mucinex-DM to loosen that congestion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 02:08:56 PM
Charlie didn't run off with that monkey that used to post her, and stopped posting her a few years ago...did he?

I can't remember her name, but he posted about her in the lounge at RU.



I have no idea.  I cannot imagine anyone running off with CR.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 02:12:08 PM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.


The Birmingham News doesn't print birth announcements any longer and only paid wedding announcements.

I was looking, too, and thought of that.  Papers here have done the same.  Church bulletins still print this info about parishioners, though.


If he has a wife, it had to be a mail order bride. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't find him in the Birmingham Law Registry any longer.  Wonder if he's moved?


http://www.alabar.org/directory/dirSelector.cfm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 11, 2009, 02:12:24 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or are these actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?

I think Greta has not done sufficient research. ::ElfMonkey::

There was talk of two shows.  One being the Boulevard show with Peter as a guest and the other being the
show on Sunday night that shows the interrogations in NL.

I have not seen anything anywhere that the Jaap polygraph is about to air.
Wonder which one has been picked up by American TV?
I guess what I'm asking is "are the Devries 'new' polygraph videos the same ones "Jaap" commissioned in a deal with Joran a few monts back?"

If interrogations or a polygraph are not done by our FBI I will never believe one word from any interrogation/polygraph that is done by someone from the Netherlands/Aruba.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 02:12:51 PM
Charlie didn't run off with that monkey that used to post her, and stopped posting her a few years ago...did he?

I can't remember her name, but he posted about her in the lounge at RU.



I have no idea.  I cannot imagine anyone running off with CR.  ::MonkeyCool::


Running FROM him maybe?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
Charlie didn't run off with that monkey that used to post her, and stopped posting her a few years ago...did he?

I can't remember her name, but he posted about her in the lounge at RU.

I remember "Angie"  Charlie & Angie...

Did Angie have a baby?

sorry, my bad

"her" should be "here"

LOLOL. good one.  NO, the Charlierat and Angie thing was a JOKE.   ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or are these actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?

I think Greta has not done sufficient research. ::ElfMonkey::

There was talk of two shows.  One being the Boulevard show with Peter as a guest and the other being the
show on Sunday night that shows the interrogations in NL.

I have not seen anything anywhere that the Jaap polygraph is about to air.
Wonder which one has been picked up by American TV?
I guess what I'm asking is "are the Devries 'new' polygraph videos the same ones "Jaap" commissioned in a deal with Joran a few monts back?"

If interrogations or a polygraph are not done by our FBI I will never believe one word from any interrogation/polygraph that is done by someone from the Netherlands/Aruba.

JMO


Don't think Dutch LE is allowed to do polygraphs since they officially don't "believe in" them.

I think Greta didn't do her homework or ever who is saying that.  Could be Jaap's poly but I think it will just be police video of them questioning Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 02:28:05 PM
Is this him Anna?  I remember Charlie was particularly fond of you. ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 11, 2009, 02:31:59 PM
Gretawire:

December 11, 2009

Natalee HollowayThe Aruba newspapers are reporting that two Dutch TV shows are doing shows this weekend. One has also sold it's video to an American TV show. I think it may be video of van der Sloot taking a polygraph. I know that he got paid to take one a few months ago.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/natalee-holloway-2/
Do we think this is in anyway related to the "Jaap" polygraphs or are these actual "Law enforcement" interrogations?

I think Greta has not done sufficient research. ::ElfMonkey::

There was talk of two shows.  One being the Boulevard show with Peter as a guest and the other being the
show on Sunday night that shows the interrogations in NL.

I have not seen anything anywhere that the Jaap polygraph is about to air.
Wonder which one has been picked up by American TV?
I guess what I'm asking is "are the Devries 'new' polygraph videos the same ones "Jaap" commissioned in a deal with Joran a few monts back?"

If interrogations or a polygraph are not done by our FBI I will never believe one word from any interrogation/polygraph that is done by someone from the Netherlands/Aruba.

JMO


Don't think Dutch LE is allowed to do polygraphs since they officially don't "believe in" them.

I think Greta didn't do her homework or ever who is saying that.  Could be Jaap's poly but I think it will just be police video of them questioning Joran.

Hi Anna good to see you.  Happy Holidays to you and your family.

I was referring to the Jaap poly he did with Joran.  We all know that was a big farce.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
Is this him Anna?  I remember Charlie was particularly fond of you. ::MonkeyDevil::

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Yes, CharlieRat just adored me!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think one of his opening posts here was to call me names.


Surely that is him.  Don't tell me that there are more than one in B'ham area.  That would be an infestation wouldn't it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
San, I don't know and so far my emails to NL have been ignored.  Huumm. . .will send again this evening. 

I LIKE to think Peter would not associate with Jaap but he might to get the poly.  Just know the official LE is not supposed to do one.  At least that is my understanding.

And in that photo provided, it appears that Joran is trying to copy your knitted cap sytle!  He's just not original about anything is he?  He must have seen yours and become jealous but his was not made by our Magnolia!  Maybe Bastibro made one for him from goat's wool socks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 02:36:51 PM
Is this him Anna?  I remember Charlie was particularly fond of you. ::MonkeyDevil::

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Yes, CharlieRat just adored me!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think one of his opening posts here was to call me names.


Surely that is him.  Don't tell me that there are more than one in B'ham area.  That would be an infestation wouldn't it?


He has moved up the hill a little from Morris Avenue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 11, 2009, 02:42:17 PM
CHARLES C RATCLIFF LLC  Bessemer, AL   RATCLIFF, CHARLES C
(AGENT)
MARIAN LLC
ROSS PROPERTIES INC

WARRIOR RIVER BOATING ASSOCIATION
ALABAMA BOATING FANS, INC
GREEN & BIVONA, PC

Name
RATCLIFF, CHARLES C
Address
1703 11TH AVE SOUTH City-State-
ZIP Code
BIRMINGHAM, AL 35205
Appoint Date
Feb 11 2001
Commissioned Date
Feb 11 2001 Expiration Date
Feb 11 2005 Notary Type
STATE WIDE County
JEFFERSON
Probate Judge
REYNOLDS, GEORGE R Bonding Co.
EMPLOYERS MUTUAL CASUALTY CO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 02:43:28 PM
Now I may be wrong.......but I don't think the the Jaap lie detector test is in any way connected to
the DeVries show.

Jaap was looking for a production company to air his footage of the test and last I heard he had been
unsuccessful.  Everybody knew it was bogus.  (I would still like to see it)

Peter's show on Sunday is about the Dutch police questioning of Joran after the Range Rover recordings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
CHARLES C RATCLIFF LLC  Bessemer, AL   RATCLIFF, CHARLES C
(AGENT)
MARIAN LLC
ROSS PROPERTIES INC

WARRIOR RIVER BOATING ASSOCIATION
ALABAMA BOATING FANS, INC
GREEN & BIVONA, PC

Name
RATCLIFF, CHARLES C
Address
1703 11TH AVE SOUTH City-State-
ZIP Code
BIRMINGHAM, AL 35205

Appoint Date
Feb 11 2001
Commissioned Date
Feb 11 2001 Expiration Date
Feb 11 2005 Notary Type
STATE WIDE County
JEFFERSON
Probate Judge
REYNOLDS, GEORGE R Bonding Co.
EMPLOYERS MUTUAL CASUALTY CO

Thanks Hotping!

The 11th AVE South would be Homewood.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Didn't Angie post on an unmentionable forum a while back about having a GRANDchild?  May be what whisky was remembering.

A baby at Christmas time would be so much fun I think.  Not sure I will ever know, however.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 11, 2009, 03:02:13 PM
Magnolia is like our own personal Birmingham GPS.    ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 11, 2009, 03:02:23 PM
Didn't Angie post on an unmentionable forum a while back about having a GRANDchild?  May be what whisky was remembering.

A baby at Christmas time would be so much fun I think.  Not sure I will ever know, however.

Never say never Anna.

Yes Angie is a proud Grandma.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 03:12:16 PM
Valero Energy, the largest American refiner, is taking another step towards building up its renewable fuel supplies. The San Antonio-based company on Friday agreed to a five-year deal with an Australian biofuel refiner to obtain biodiesel made from jatropha.

The deal also allows Valero to buy a 25 percent stake in the Australian company, Mission NewEnergy.

Mission will supply Valero with up to 60 million gallons of biodiesel per year, starting next year. Under the terms of the agreement, Valero can double that amount and extend the contract by an additional five years. The value of the contract could be as high as $3.5 billion, Mission said in a statement.

Jatropha is a family of oil seed plants that can grow on marginal soil without displacing land used for food supply. While there has been a lot of interest in the plant recently, efforts to develop biofuels from jatropha have been mixed.

For Valero, the deal is another step toward diversifying its fuel supplies. Earlier this year, the company acquired distressed assets from VeraSun, an ethanol refiner in the United States, including seven ethanol refineries.

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/valero-bets-on-biodiesel-from-jatropha/



So it appears Valero has left Aruba far behind and more or less moved on.  Guess maybe now they wish they had kept the tax incentives.  And maybe not stolen 5 million from them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on December 11, 2009, 03:23:05 PM
from the gretawire comments -

Quote
Maureen from ArubaReportYou all should ask Beth Twitty what happen to Natalee, cause when she came to Aruba, the first time, she talked with Natalee still alive then. SHe even posted a poster saying.. "we can talk" I ask was there a problem to talk a about? Why was she hidding from her mom in a house in Ponderosa? Why did the mother change the poster after she realise THat Natalee stop comunicating, cause now she knows she death. And beside Beth never cried in Aruba and was drinking and laughing at the hotel bars. RIP.

December 11, 2009 at 10:38 am

Someone should show this ignorant moron the picture of the 2 men holding Beth up after the FBI had given Beth the news that Natalee was most likely deceased.  These people really tick me off.

 ::MonkeyMad::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 04:41:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66295.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Patrick van der Eem sentenced

December 11, 2009, 12:39 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Patrick van der Eem was yesterday sentenced in absentia because of threats and possession of marijuana. He was imposed a fine of 2000 florin. For possession of cocaine, Van der Eem acquitted. The labrapport the outcome of the test was coke is not included in the file. The Public Prosecutor (OM) went only to 0.2 grams.

The prosecution had demanded a fine of 2,400 florin. Van der Eem was held on August 25 for cocaine and marijuana possession and threat of crime against life and of aggravated assault. At his arrest he had a quantity of hashish users and 2.4 grams of marijuana with him. The crime would have occurred under the OM between 14 and August 24. Van der Eem was in August of 2000 florin to the offer to pay for these violations. He paid it not, that Justice decided to prosecute him still.

Between 14 and August 17, Van der Eem an employee of the Westin hotel several times seriously threatened. The problems arose when he refused to pay $ 200 extra hotel charges guests who smoke in their hotel room. Van der Eem was then expelled the hotel, but came back with some regularity in order to threaten the employee. Van der Eem said the victim had told him he would kill or shoot. The OM had he expressed the following threat: "If I see you on the street, you notice something happening to you." Similarly, Van der Eem said: "Come to my car and then see what happens, I go shoot. "


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Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
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Google translation:

ARUBA

Links with women journalists violence

December 11, 2009, 12:37 (GMT -04:00)

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Fifth UN Conference Information for Action

ORANGE CITY / ST. GEORGE'S - The idyllic bay surrounded by green hills of St. George's, Grenada, where 26 journalists from fifteen countries in the Caribbean region from the hotel look, is a sharp contrast with the topic being discussed these days on the fifth Conference Information for Action. This is organized by UNIC, the information center of the United Nations. Central, this time the violence against women that the UN has assumed pandemic are: 1 in 3 women worldwide has to do and the Caribbean is relatively leader.

by our reporter
Sharina Henriquez

Thus, the Caribbean region in percentage terms the highest number of rapes in the world. With the region in the Bahamas at number 1, followed by Jamaica and St. Vincent. Also presented are numbers of Jamaica, where 47 percent of the girls who first had sex, indicate that this 'forced' happened. Reliable figures are not, let alone full, say the organizers and they are therefore at the "tip of the iceberg". Women who are victims of violence, are also afraid and ashamed to declare it. The stigma is high on many islands, especially in sexual assault or rape. Moreover, police are not always helpful. "In a declaration of a robbery, you will not doubt your story or ask what you so late to the street, or what you wore. As so often happens in reporting of rape, "said Hilary Nicholson, regional coordinator of UNIC. Reliable figures are not as law enforcement violence against women not register separately or only recently started to do. Aruba is different it does not, only with the introduction of the new registration system, the police, for example domestic violence as a separate category to register. Before too long the police would also be able to produce figures of all reported violent crimes against women. Because the new system was first relationships being made between the records.

About linkages or left yesterday was a large part of the first day of the conference on UNIC. How can journalists their stories in separate incidents over links with violence against women? The organizers, consisting of UN staff and NGO representatives, want to lock in journalism from the conference that much more attention to the subject. As the kick was said: "You are the catalyst to change." That already makes any big discussion, because journalists are not generally hold to be told of what she should write, how serious the problem is . "We are journalists, not activists," said one journalist in Surinam. Yet during the workshops interesting dilemmas raised and also shows that it is a nice taboo topic alive. Not only among the population, including journalists in the Caribbean islands. "Why do we not ministers, who are known to abuse their spouses: Minister, save your wife? Why do not we, "asked a journalist from Barbados himself. Journalists also pay attention to women or violence, but as appeared at the conference, NGOs often only about one event. And that is usually in November as the International Day against violence against women occurs.

In the formation of the new Cabinet on Aruba were female violence is not the issue in interviews. They went back as usual especially on the economy. In previous elections it was also an issue for any party. While organizations such as Fundacion Hende Muhe den Dificultad for years called the violence a major, growing problem with all the consequences not only for women themselves but also for the development of children and even for the economic development of the country. Surveys in the U.S. example shows that the damage caused by women who are abused by their partners, nearly 2 billion U.S. dollars is.

The UNIC Conference in Grenada takes in any case until tomorrow morning. That it also be held in Grenada, not because the country itself is another example in the fight against female violence. In a brief conversation with Prime Minister Tillman Thomas yesterday, after he opened the conference, he said that in Grenada violence against women is a serious problem. "It is as bad as climate change and its impact on the earth where all attention is now." Asked whether his government than specific policy to do this challenge, gave the Prime Minister is no clear answer. Elaine Henry MacQueen of Grenada National Organization for Women, agrees that increased government should do. "The task now is something of NGOs."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 11, 2009, 04:49:04 PM
Posted by Fierljepper at RU:

Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:36 pm         

Joran! Those shoes are made for walking...
I was triggered by that DeVries snippet from the police tape, that shows Joran being interrogated about his shoes. These detectives must have had good reasons to keep asking him about them.

Let's go back to the simplest scenario possible:

Premises:
1. More people involved = more complex
2. Natalee didn't make it back to the hotel alive (otherwise violates 1.)
3. K2 are innocent and have spoken the truth >6/12/05 (otherwise violates 1.)
4. The 2:26 call to Deepak was made in the vicinity of MacDonalds.
4. Natalee died in the presence of Joran ( no suicide/accidental drowning)
5. Body disposal in the sea is simpler than any form of land disposal.
6. Wind, tide and current that night could have taken the body into the ocean.

Based on these premises the simplest scenario seems to be:
* K2 dropped J. off at the beach and only joined the HI-lie to cover for a friend.
* N. fatally collapsed on the beach with Joran.
* J. pushed N.'s body a certain distance into the sea (make it look like drowning).
* J. had a good fall back lie in case the body would be found (I left her perfectly ok!?!).
* J. rushed home barefoot, called Deepak at 2:26 near MDonalds and went on his PC.
* Telling Deepak he'd left her "passed out" on the beach, is precisely the right thing to say (shifts responsibility for getting into the sea to N.)
* N's body was picked up by the current and disappeared in the wide ocean. That's why J. tells Patrick that he really 'got lucky'.
* No body, no case. Add a few simple smoke curtains and you're save.

But why tell Deepak about walking home barefoot?
J. must have gotten into trouble with his shoes one way or the other. There must have been some compelling reasons to compensate for a 4kms of barefoot discomfort and not simply taking a taxi. Losing one or both shoes during the sea disposal is a very good reason for his behaviors. His cloths were soaked and he couldn't be spotted by a witness and he was barefoot. What other options did he have in such a situation, than to sneak home all those 4kms?

So, why bring up the shoe story voluntarily to Deepak and ALE?
That is pretty simple in this scenario. His biggest fear was that the shoe(s) he had lost in the ocean would wash ashore (maybe even around the same time as the body and connections could be made). That's pretty difficult to explain (no car pick ups in his head then). Since he actually was walking home barefoot when he rang Deepak (and someone would ask questions about his expensive shoes sooner or later), he had to pre-emptively state that he left his shoes on the beach (e.g. the flood could have picked them up, somebody had thrown them in the ocean, loads of effective bullshit stories to explain why they found your shoes on the beach). At that moment he didn't know that neither his shoe(s), nor Natalees body would ever come ashore. Bu once the shoe-''genie" was voluntarily released from the bottle, it could never be reversed.

Was it a smart idea to dream up the HI-lie in this scenario?
At that moment in time, J. couldn't have known how lucky he would get with the current at that time. What if her body would be found on the beach the next day (most likely scenario in J.'s head)? Yes, then it still is a very smart idea to invent the HI-lie since it places yourself away from the beach and the HI-drop off also transfers your personal accountability nicely towards somebody else (MB-ers, hotel staff, security guards, etc.). This is precisely what happened (guards got arrested) and Deepak was happy (naive) enough to back up his friend, since contrary to J. he didn't have a clue that she had already died at that time (so it was an innocent lie from Deepak).

Was it smart to continue to incriminate the K2 until he got stuck on the 'Satish picked my up story'?
Yes, in hind sight it probably was. The simple fact that K2 had joined the HI lie made them a very easy target for J. to raise further accusations against them. J. tried everything to firstly keep himself away from the beach ("they drove off with her in their car") and when that was all falsified, his only option to not be totally alone in the case and on the beach was to incriminate the K2 (and this also kept him very nicely away from the risky "I walked home barefoot scenario".

Why did he tell Patrick that he kept his shoes and then threw them away in a sewer?
He told Patrick during the 'confession' that the shoes were really a non-event and that he actually walked home on them and never lost them. Joran could easily say this, since 4 years after the event he was pretty sure the shoes had indeed turned into a non-event and would never be found again. He must have realised himself that keeping them was a risky tweak in the bullshit story to Patrick and to bend it closer towards the truth, he decided to tell him that he'd thrown them away.

Are there bits of evidence to support this scenario?
1) A remarkable element of J.'s formal statement is that he carried Natalee for a while and that she asked him to put her down (it's a very save bet to say this if you have indeed carried a body to the sea and you're not yet 100% sure someone hasn't seen you doing that). He also told ALE that he went to the sea to wash his hands (make's sense if you need to explain your moves in case someone has seen you coming out of the sea after the disposal).
2) Joran told his headmaster already the next day (May 31st), that 'maybe she went for a swim and drowned'. This is also a scenario he puts forward in the 'what could have happened' chapter in DZNH. Why would that scenario be so prevalent in Joran's head the next day after she disappeared...? Why so fatalistic? Did American girls drown all the time on Aruba...

...or did Joran know Natalee's real fate and was he a little too eager to cover his ass as liers often do...?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 04:52:04 PM
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Google translation:

The Aruban sought bankruptcy

December 11, 2009, 12:40 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Trade FTA on behalf of the hotel staff of the hotel claimed bankruptcy. The union leader told Rudy Geerman morning this newspaper.

The employees who for several weeks at their biweekly salary guards, have been paid yesterday, 20 percent of this. "What happened to the remaining 80 percent going to happen is not yet known," said Geerman. Also, the hotel based on the union leaders have promised, next week to pay a small bonus.

The hotel is not only the workers owed money. The company also would be Geerman Elmar electricity and water company WEB together more than two million florin guilty. WEB yesterday the water of the hotel closed for a short time. Only through the government, got the hotel back water. Also according Geerman Elmar threatened with closure, but has through the government not put. Neither nor Elmar WEB like this comment. "We do not provide information of customers," said spokesman Kelvin WEB-Augustin.

This morning, lawyers were by The Aruban Resort along with representatives of the Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transport Otmar Oduber of the table to one another and discuss the situation with The Aruban Resort. Minister Oduber is especially concerned about the fate of employees and the impact any closure would have on the image of Aruba.

Last week Monday stopped a large portion of the staff of the hotel because of the lack of salary payments. It is not the first time that the working staff of The Aruban resign. Beginning this year, the Sales & Marketing concluded that 80 people lost their jobs. A few weeks later that the foreign hotel owners again reversed. It was also paying the salary already a stumbling block. Employees of the hotel laid a few months ago even a short time working and unhappy about the late payment of their salaries. However, the strike last Monday so far the largest. Reportedly made more than 80 percent of the staff in this business. Rudy Geerman of Clear union did this early last week, with more measures to come if the problem is not corrected. The hotel finds a long-standing financial problems because of U.S. banks, which for several million florin has borrowed money, bankrupt. The economic downturn has also made a drastic decline.


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Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
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KLM return uncertain

December 10, 2009, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - It's not 100 percent sure that airline KLM Aruba next year bond to its schedule of scheduled services. It says at least regional manager of the airline Simone Wickenhagen. This goes against the message Wickenhagen of the Dutch travel magazine Travel Revue yesterday reported that its scheduled service between the KLM Dutch Schiphol Airport and Aruba, resumed.

Today that KLM CEO Peter Hartman is not entirely correct and that there still quoted "no concrete steps" to put this change. Thus Wickenhagen to this newspaper. The travel magazine quoted Peter Hartman with a firm tone "KLM and Martinair will fly side by side on Aruba. There is enough demand for seats. The KLM regional manager has however the following Hartman 'exactly' said: "I seek the optimal operation of Aruba in 2010. Martinair flies certainly continue, but perhaps KLM Martinair addition, services will run. The question is whether there is enough potential, KLM and Martinair serve different market segments. "

The conclusion is therefore that it is not certain whether KLM Martinair can fly next. "There must be enough passengers," Wicke said Hagen. Although nothing appears to be sure, several local newspapers today brought the big news on the front page that KLM last summer abandoned scheduled Amsterdam - Aruba resumed in 2010. The Financieele Dagblad (FD) in the Netherlands has taken over the news. This quote Hartman with a quote showing that KLM "the viewing option. "If we transport a lot of airline Royal officials, who like to travel business class. That is one reason why we now see how we both KLM and Martinair both on the route to fly, "said Hartman in the FD. Government spokesman Manolo says Besselink also not aware of a final decision, but to know that the "very possible" that KLM this service is resumed. This response to the call that Premier Mike Eman (AVP) and Otmar Oduber (AVP), Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transport, the Netherlands have had with Peter Hartman, two weeks ago. "Their visit to the Netherlands has certainly helped, but I can not confirm the news," said Besselink.

Prime Minister to the Netherlands
Finally Besselink said this morning that he will ask for more information on the prime minister himself, but Eman it busy because a new visit to the Netherlands. "He flies to the Netherlands tomorrow for a mission." Why the Prime Minister in a short time visit to the Netherlands, the government spokesman did not report this morning.


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Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
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Curacao

FOL-based view thorn in Chavez

December 11, 2009, 13:18 (GMT -04:00)

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PHILIPSBURG - The U.S. FOL based on Hato airport can not escape local and international discussion. That is being fueled mainly by the Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, who recently reiterated uitliet negatively on the operations of the U.S. Air Force as close to Venezuela. The U.S. base stationed here in the past F-16 fighter planes. Today it is mainly specialized in aircraft gathering intelligence. Formally, these services are combating trafficking from Colombia. Venezuela are open to doubt and see the Americans here as a threat. The picture on the ground a Boeing RC-135 Rivet Joint surveillance aircraft with some regularity Hato state.


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Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 05:05:31 PM
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Action plan FATF urgently required’

10 Dec, 2009, 07:33 (GMT -04:00)

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The committee FATF Aruba and the Central Bank of Aruba (picture) wants an action plan on short term for the combating of laundering and terrorism.

ORANJESTAD — Aruba must come up with a detailed action plan in order to comply with the recommendations of Financial Action Task Force (FATF) still, regarding laundering and terrorism combating before the next plenary meeting of the FATF in February.

That is the recommendation of, amongst others, de committee FATF Aruba and the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) to the Permanent States-committee Economical Affairs. The States-committee had recently held conversations with a number of entities, amongst which Aruba Financial Center, the Public Prosecutor, Aruba Bankers Association and the tax department in order to chart the situation. The latter regards the publication of the Mutual Evaluation Report from FATF on Aruba, which had been published on October 14th.

Shortcomings
In this report, which was based on findings from the FATF-evaluation team that had visited the island in December 2008, a number of serious shortcomings are concluded regarding the combating of laundering practices and terrorism financing. To top that, of the sixteen FATF-nuclear recommendations, Aruba had had thirteen, which had been assessed as partially sufficient or even entirely insufficient. For example, the financing of terrorism is not a penal act on Aruba and certain crimes are lacking in the Penal Code as main criminal offence for laundering. The lacking of regulations on Aruba with regard to the identification and verification of the eventual concerned party with transactions is a thorn in the flesh of FATF. The same applies for the lacking regulation of and supervision on the electronic exchanges and brokers or advisors in stocks and insurances operational on Aruba. In addition, there are non-transparent and inadequate statutory regulations for trading partnerships that amongst others issue shares and make it impossible to discover the people behind the company.


Abu Dhabi
According to Juan David Yrausquin (AVP), Chairman of the Permanent States-committee Economical Affairs, there is a lot to be done. “It appeared from all conversations that the previous government had done little to nothing to improve the situation. They had clearly not given this priority.” However, Yrausquin is convinced that the Aruban delegation, which will be traveling to Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates for the next plenary meeting of FATF during the first week of February, will present a plan of approach. This plan should be based on risk assessment at national level. In addition, the States-committee wants to present an explanation during the plenary meeting on everything that had been accomplished during the past months in order to comply with the so-called ‘40+9’ recommendations of the task force.

Aruba is a member of FATF through the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In addition, the island is a member of the Caribbean pendant of FATF, the CFATF. This group had also participated with the investigation, which had been carried out in December last year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 05:10:59 PM
Posted by Fierljepper at RU:

Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:36 pm         

Joran! Those shoes are made for walking...
I was triggered by that DeVries snippet from the police tape, that shows Joran being interrogated about his shoes. These detectives must have had good reasons to keep asking him about them.

Let's go back to the simplest scenario possible:

Premises:
1. More people involved = more complex
2. Natalee didn't make it back to the hotel alive (otherwise violates 1.)
3. K2 are innocent and have spoken the truth >6/12/05 (otherwise violates 1.)
4. The 2:26 call to Deepak was made in the vicinity of MacDonalds.
4. Natalee died in the presence of Joran ( no suicide/accidental drowning)
5. Body disposal in the sea is simpler than any form of land disposal.
6. Wind, tide and current that night could have taken the body into the ocean.

Based on these premises the simplest scenario seems to be:
* K2 dropped J. off at the beach and only joined the HI-lie to cover for a friend.
* N. fatally collapsed on the beach with Joran.
* J. pushed N.'s body a certain distance into the sea (make it look like drowning).
* J. had a good fall back lie in case the body would be found (I left her perfectly ok!?!).
* J. rushed home barefoot, called Deepak at 2:26 near MDonalds and went on his PC.
* Telling Deepak he'd left her "passed out" on the beach, is precisely the right thing to say (shifts responsibility for getting into the sea to N.)
* N's body was picked up by the current and disappeared in the wide ocean. That's why J. tells Patrick that he really 'got lucky'.
* No body, no case. Add a few simple smoke curtains and you're save.

But why tell Deepak about walking home barefoot?
J. must have gotten into trouble with his shoes one way or the other. There must have been some compelling reasons to compensate for a 4kms of barefoot discomfort and not simply taking a taxi. Losing one or both shoes during the sea disposal is a very good reason for his behaviors. His cloths were soaked and he couldn't be spotted by a witness and he was barefoot. What other options did he have in such a situation, than to sneak home all those 4kms?

So, why bring up the shoe story voluntarily to Deepak and ALE?
That is pretty simple in this scenario. His biggest fear was that the shoe(s) he had lost in the ocean would wash ashore (maybe even around the same time as the body and connections could be made). That's pretty difficult to explain (no car pick ups in his head then). Since he actually was walking home barefoot when he rang Deepak (and someone would ask questions about his expensive shoes sooner or later), he had to pre-emptively state that he left his shoes on the beach (e.g. the flood could have picked them up, somebody had thrown them in the ocean, loads of effective bullshit stories to explain why they found your shoes on the beach). At that moment he didn't know that neither his shoe(s), nor Natalees body would ever come ashore. Bu once the shoe-''genie" was voluntarily released from the bottle, it could never be reversed.

Was it a smart idea to dream up the HI-lie in this scenario?
At that moment in time, J. couldn't have known how lucky he would get with the current at that time. What if her body would be found on the beach the next day (most likely scenario in J.'s head)? Yes, then it still is a very smart idea to invent the HI-lie since it places yourself away from the beach and the HI-drop off also transfers your personal accountability nicely towards somebody else (MB-ers, hotel staff, security guards, etc.). This is precisely what happened (guards got arrested) and Deepak was happy (naive) enough to back up his friend, since contrary to J. he didn't have a clue that she had already died at that time (so it was an innocent lie from Deepak).

Was it smart to continue to incriminate the K2 until he got stuck on the 'Satish picked my up story'?
Yes, in hind sight it probably was. The simple fact that K2 had joined the HI lie made them a very easy target for J. to raise further accusations against them. J. tried everything to firstly keep himself away from the beach ("they drove off with her in their car") and when that was all falsified, his only option to not be totally alone in the case and on the beach was to incriminate the K2 (and this also kept him very nicely away from the risky "I walked home barefoot scenario".

Why did he tell Patrick that he kept his shoes and then threw them away in a sewer?
He told Patrick during the 'confession' that the shoes were really a non-event and that he actually walked home on them and never lost them. Joran could easily say this, since 4 years after the event he was pretty sure the shoes had indeed turned into a non-event and would never be found again. He must have realised himself that keeping them was a risky tweak in the bullshit story to Patrick and to bend it closer towards the truth, he decided to tell him that he'd thrown them away.

Are there bits of evidence to support this scenario?
1) A remarkable element of J.'s formal statement is that he carried Natalee for a while and that she asked him to put her down (it's a very save bet to say this if you have indeed carried a body to the sea and you're not yet 100% sure someone hasn't seen you doing that). He also told ALE that he went to the sea to wash his hands (make's sense if you need to explain your moves in case someone has seen you coming out of the sea after the disposal).
2) Joran told his headmaster already the next day (May 31st), that 'maybe she went for a swim and drowned'. This is also a scenario he puts forward in the 'what could have happened' chapter in DZNH. Why would that scenario be so prevalent in Joran's head the next day after she disappeared...? Why so fatalistic? Did American girls drown all the time on Aruba...

...or did Joran know Natalee's real fate and was he a little too eager to cover his ass as liers often do...?

Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 11, 2009, 05:22:15 PM
Awww.  Maybe Ms Brennan could put herself to some good use for the island she loves so much?  Like maybe encouraging them to do right by Natalee and her family?

That would go a LONG way in righting a 4 1/2 year wrong.

Every day they don't, it just hurts them more.  Hopefully it won't take an island of 100% unemployment before they figure that out!

Hey Jan, here's a thought.  Why don't you and yours encourage the poor suffering souls on Aruba who know what these criminals did to Natalee to finally come forward and put their foot down regarding the coverup they were afforded?

Now THAT would be a wonderful project in thwarting a Boycott.

A person cannot help those who refuse to help themselves...

Medley posted this at Scrux.  This may be what they are "up to"  ::MonkeyCool::  Sorry for blowing the margins  ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 11, 2009, 05:52:11 PM
Please!!!  I don't mind if people develop scenarios regarding Natalee's possible demise....however...please exclude the accidental overdose and panic!

Joran, the sporter lived on an island.

Joran, the academic lived on an island with a high percentage of cocaine use.

Joran, the sporter was an intern at the Racquet club.

I surmise that Joran, the academic, sporter was well trained in CPR and care of the drug overdose. Joran was trained in CPR including calling for help.

The only reason, at the age of seventeen, to not perform as trained, is because the trained teen caused the death and did not want anyone to know.  If it was an accident, he would have performed as trained (it is a rote memory action).

Now the question is, what did he do to Natalee.  It must be worse than disposal or selling because he freely talks of those things.  Perhaps aspiration from something in her mouth or a head injury.  The hypoxia caused by either thing would cause seizure-like activity.  Perhaps GHB.

There is a reason the sporter did not act as trained.  Her survival would have been worse than her disposal.

or...he did act as trained and his father (the person he called) decided disposal was the best action. Either way "something bad happened" and it was not accidental.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 11, 2009, 05:53:01 PM
Good Morning....!

Maybe there was an announcement of the wedding or the birth in the local Birmingham newspaper.


You are thinking of "public interest" stories like that when a zoo animal gives birth. I wouldn't look under the "Vital Statistics" section.

I've checked and haven't found wedding or birth announcements in the Ratcliff name.  Still looking.


WHERE IS THE "PUKING" AVATAR?   

This made me sick.   

(If it is true Congrats is in order) I have my doubts though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 11, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
Please!!!  I don't mind if people develop scenarios regarding Natalee's possible demise....however...please exclude the accidental overdose and panic!

Joran, the sporter lived on an island.

Joran, the academic lived on an island with a high percentage of cocaine use.

Joran, the sporter was an intern at the Racquet club.

I surmise that Joran, the academic, sporter was well trained in CPR and care of the drug overdose. Joran was trained in CPR including calling for help.

The only reason, at the age of seventeen, to not perform as trained, is because the trained teen caused the death and did not want anyone to know.  If it was an accident, he would have performed as trained (it is a rote memory action).

Now the question is, what did he do to Natalee.  It must be worse than disposal or selling because he freely talks of those things.  Perhaps aspiration from something in her mouth or a head injury.  The hypoxia caused by either thing would cause seizure-like activity.  Perhaps GHB.

There is a reason the sporter did not act as trained.  Her survival would have been worse than her disposal.

or...he did act as trained and his father (the person he called) decided disposal was the best action. Either way "something bad happened" and it was not accidental.

I agree Buckeye.  This was an outright premeditated murder.  No accident.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 11, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
We all knew this was a murder from day one.  We are all here because Aruba never did a damn thing for Natalee as far as justice.

Why?  Tourism? 


BECAUSE OF WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE MURDER.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 06:51:11 PM
Please!!!  I don't mind if people develop scenarios regarding Natalee's possible demise....however...please exclude the accidental overdose and panic!

Joran, the sporter lived on an island.

Joran, the academic lived on an island with a high percentage of cocaine use.

Joran, the sporter was an intern at the Racquet club.

I surmise that Joran, the academic, sporter was well trained in CPR and care of the drug overdose. Joran was trained in CPR including calling for help.

The only reason, at the age of seventeen, to not perform as trained, is because the trained teen caused the death and did not want anyone to know.  If it was an accident, he would have performed as trained (it is a rote memory action).

Now the question is, what did he do to Natalee.  It must be worse than disposal or selling because he freely talks of those things.  Perhaps aspiration from something in her mouth or a head injury.  The hypoxia caused by either thing would cause seizure-like activity.  Perhaps GHB.

There is a reason the sporter did not act as trained.  Her survival would have been worse than her disposal.

or...he did act as trained and his father (the person he called) decided disposal was the best action. Either way "something bad happened" and it was not accidental.


Good post Buckeye.  I totally agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on December 11, 2009, 07:31:54 PM
Who is Fierljepper?
A known disinformant? Or a valid theorist?
Anyone????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 08:04:17 PM
Who is Fierljepper?
A known disinformant? Or a valid theorist?
Anyone????

He is a theorist, who posts at RU.  As for the validity of his theories, he is guessing, just like the rest of us.  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 08:46:15 PM
This guy's been in jail for murder since July.  He was released today, maybe temporarily.  The victim was shot in the head.  If I understand it correctly some of the DNA evidence was negative but some is still under investigation.  And it seems that some witnesses are not sticking with their original statements?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14456/29/

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eddie "wakata" ras his detencion not owing to wordo prolonga

friday, 11 december 2009 - 14:35

according vocero of ministerio publico, huez owing to suspende the detencion provisional of eddie "wakata" ras, that owing to stay deteni because; sospechoso of is responsible for asesinato of one man antiyano, fast of kooyman techniek at tarabana in month of july. click read more for more info...

according huez the pruebanan was sufficient for owing to as ras deteni till at the instant cu el'a leave pound. huez owing to tell esey cu enfasis because; reaccion on the ponencia of the advocate cu ras will is inocente. if provided that berdad ras is inocente, then will not owing to as in detencion, according ministerio publico. ministerio publico is follow tell cu the rapportnan of police is encera the investigacion of dna y the investigacion of the schiethanden. interesting is naturlamente the dna, cu owing to resulta parcialmente negative, but cu parcialmente is still in investigacion. dus the investigacion of dna still is andando for one part. the schiethanden owing to resulta negative. for thing is the declaracionnan, is so cu now here have testigonan is come back on they word. the investigacion is continua y on 12 of feburary the tratamento will take lugar. is more tanto one cuestion bewijstechnisch. ministerio publico is follow completamente convenci cu they have the sospechoso y cu is the, but have cu proof this convincentemente at huez. we will stay pendiente for her conclusion of the caso interesting here, as cu already owing to wordo anuncia, day 12 of feburary, this will continua.


Link to crime scene photos (WARNING: GRAPHIC!)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1337&offId=0&offDate=2009-07


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 10:14:23 PM
Thanks, Klaas.   

Magnolia, I'm feeling better each day, but still have some congestion.  Getting there, though....thanks.

I'm glad you're getting better 2NJ...drink plenty of fluids!

I had a lot of distractions today and just noticed!    ::MonkeyDance::

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Congratulations on 10,000 quality posts 2NJ, MONKEY ALL STAR !!!!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 10:16:26 PM

I guess I should have said 10,000+ since it's already 10,004.   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 11:03:07 PM
This is an article from February 9, 2008 (right after the Joran/Patrick show aired).  I've posted a google translation of the article from Peter DeVries website.  There is also a translated version here that is a little different in parts.

http://tinyurl.com/peterrdevries-robinhood

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/media/een-postmoderne-robin-hood-profiel-tv-detective-peter-r.-de-vries/

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A postmodern Robin Hood "; profile TV detective Peter R. de Vries

Fri Netherlands

Byline: Marian Husken

By "solving" the disappearance of Natalee Holloway reached Peter R. de Vries, the self-appointed deputy of the Netherlands, last week his international breakthrough. What is his secret And where does research on journalism and vigilantism begins

Millions of viewers got the Sunday appalling confessions of Joran van der Sloot against an alleged friend (the undercover agent on behalf of Peter R. de Vries) to hear. She saw a boy who was proud of him until now police and judiciary had been outsmarted.

Peter Rudolf de Vries (52) and his team wrote crime history.
For days it was not only fascinated by the Netherlands announced the unveiling of crime journalist. In the United States was eagerly awaited the airing of the Dutch crime reporter who "examines, denounces, exposes and defends."

Where law enforcement failed, came to De Vries 'clear evidence'. He put an undercover operation at the truth. In previous cases he has recorded success with the use of hidden microphones and cameras, he has now hired an infiltrator into.

Database

De Vries describes in interviews are sounding results as "the happiness of the zealous." "All I can do, I will. Then I come to a certain feeling, a certain view and that appears to be generally correct. But nothing goes without saying. "

It is short for experience, intuition and hard work. "You should be curious and constantly busy with your profession." De Vries has over the last thirty years a huge and well-organized archive built. As a young reporter for The Associated Press he blinked every message that it was important. All criminal cases he has collected in plastic folders that go back hundreds of binders and boxes are numbered. And all that is later put into the computer. He did that long before the police this way of working introduced. The big advantage is that De Vries like no other linkages can explain facts and to remember that younger colleagues and investigators could not immediately find the digital search engines, which usually go back over some fifteen years ago. De Vries also has hundreds of police records on homicide, classified and put in alphabetical order. De Vries, in one of his books on the "treasure" of the journalist: "My store is holy, throw something bordering blasphemy."

De Vries has not only a great archive and a good memory, he has the best contacts in the lower and upper world, police, courts and the common man. And that takes time and effort. He read all letters, emails and also gives tips and answers. "The first thing I do when I come to the editor, the post view. Unopened letters exert a magical attraction for me, which is only broken when I read. "

He sends prisoners to contact him cards and books. "Sometimes the notes from the sudden strike gold."

He also speaks many people personally. His friend Cor van Hout, the Heineken-kidnapper, was not really any good sources in the crime scene, the first Dutch godfather Klaas Bruinsma knew him personally, and drug barons as "Hakkelaar 'and the Black Cobra.

De Vries is carefully compared with parents of missing and murdered children and victims to go visit if no long direct program is more important. De Vries in The Voice (1997): "Aftercare is the key to good contacts. You must give people the feeling that you have real interest and not just calling to one piece. "

So for years he maintained contact with the family of the decennial Petertje Oort from Purmerend in 1982 death was fished out of the ring canal. Murdered. The family went to grief under. The perpetrator was never found and the matter lapsed. But De Vries could not accept it. In the murder that he can not describe how he barred a rainy day for another matter in Purmerend and had had about half an hour. "I bought a beautiful plant and went to the tomb of Petertje. I put the pot on the tombstone, there was a card and wrote: "Petertje, I know you will always find the man who did this."

High demands

From the beginning of his career as a crime reporter De Vries put the bar high. As a journalist he starting hours on a eenkolommertje in De Telegraaf, but not long after he wrote crime stories and revealing detailed reports for the largest newspaper in the Netherlands. "Then I thought: what if I could write a book So shift your boundaries."

He was editor of the magazine Loc, wrote for the AD and now many published books: From the files of Commissioner Toorenaar to the mega-bestseller about the Heineken Kidnapping. His' skilful pen "was for him" a great lever "to the television world to come.
With his program came the national fame. In 2005 followed his failed affair with a political party. But the audience did not sit cannon be disappointed. That small crack in the hitherto shiny new coat was immediately scoops undone. In 2006, he explored the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Himself he thought he new light on this case international cast - but not everyone was convinced. In 2007 he came with an outstanding program of Gladio, a super-secret underground movement that was founded after the Second World War to the danger of a communist occupation to fight. De Vries revealed that criminals dealt with weapons from the depots of Gladio were stolen. He was furious that his blast caused no major revelation in The Hague.

And now he has his "daydream" which made, as he states on his website: he took "the bitter truth" surfaced in a case that every crime reporter in the world would like to solve - the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. A revelation that finally provides an international breakthrough.

People Entertainment

"De Vries is an ancient form of entertainment mode," said communication scientist Stijn Reijnders two years ago in his dissertation "Holland on the slope. The researcher examined many episodes of the program, Peter R. de Vries: Crime Reporter and compared them with nineteenth-century forms of popular entertainment in which crime is involved. De Vries has the same role as the singers of folk songs from the past murders, his program is similar to the "horror rooms" where traveling carnival rides with wax crimes were depicted. Like when it goes to Peter R. de Vries to true crime. The ultimate victims are young white women or children: the symbol of innocence. Who comes to them, is a beast, the personification of evil. And that should be fought by all means.

According to Reijnders De Vries is a connection between the legal system and the need for legal certainty and the associated moral. In his role as tort fighter leans on examples from De Vries (crime) fiction. Behind his desk as he sits in the studio, he recalls the literary Reijnders oerspeurder Sherlock Holmes. He analyzes the facts and use words such as "examine" and "do detective. De Vries played outside shooting during the American hard-boiled detective, said Reijnders. A fast guy in a leather jacket and jeans behind aanrent defendants to confront them with his "facts".

De Vries has the scientists in recent years emerged as the voice of the powerless. Television serves as a battleground. The crime reporter will not be too closely with the (legal) rules and can therefore do more than police and judiciary. He can direct an offender to get off and confront him with his "evidence".

He is not a storyteller like his historical predecessors, but a fighter against injustice. In the eyes of De Vries has a convicted murderer or not his right to anonymity and privacy lost.
Journalists, whether writer or broadcaster, have to abide by the so-called code of Bordeaux. They must present the facts as they are, and interviews apply. But there are no rules about obtaining information. Much material has been played in an inappropriate and improper way sometimes stolen. Sometimes it is necessary to undercover journalism business because abuse can not be otherwise exposed. Journalists have privilege. They may remain silent about their sources. In the shadowy world of cheaters, scammers and fraudsters and the murder and manslaughter cases that Peter R. de Vries is concerned, it is almost inevitable that sometimes unorthodox manner are required. De Vries as a television maker knows that a picture is worth a thousand words. Undercover operations and provide exciting images. But he was pissed when there is doubt as to his motives. For him the 'truth'.

And if the truth is achieved, confronts De Vries good journalistic use the liar with his facts. This is called giving reply. So that the viewer on the edge of their seat, is a bonus.

Reconstructions

Victims and survivors of unsolved crimes sometimes desperate search to help Peter R. de Vries. One of his methods is the reconstruction. This he calls attention to the facts that the investigators have missed. Critics believe that the crime reporter at the scene by putting sometimes painful detail "a sensation seeker" is: "A profiteer of emotions summoned by him."

These sounds were heard at a symposium in 2000. The statement reads: Peter R. de Vries: thrill seeker or national conscience Responses were recorded in Het Parool. The majority of those present appreciated the journalist that the crime justice and police constantly on the fingers tapping. "It is a macho, but we have this kind of unfortunately necessary if the government is too lax." And: "That he used this to media, is his right. And he thereby become a famous person, is fun for him. "

Self De Vries said that police and justice to him to find things to solve. And that's true. The former Amsterdam police spokesman Klaas Wilting example, praised the cooperation with De Volkskrant Vries: "He always comes after his appointments and always see both sides. I've never able to catch a hidden agenda. "

At the symposium brought Myjer Egbert, then professor of Human Rights and Deputy Attorney General of the Amsterdam public prosecutor, for an opposing force. "My biggest objection to programs like those of De Vries is that some police are taken. The follow question then is: who controls Peter R. de Vries still Unlike police and judiciary that lacks control. "

Also criminologist Hans Boutellier seemed less enamored of the role of crime reporter in the detection. "De Vries has the eyes of the journalist, the mustache (then still, MH) from the chin of a policeman and a criminal. In other words: Peter R. de Vries, the detective, the villain and the man who cares for the victims. De Vries is a postmodern Robin Hood in service ... well ... who really '

Criticism

New Revue in 2005 took out a story under the headline "The bad detective methods. It was about the "purveyor of Peter R. de Vries. Private Tech Michel Kraaij it claims that he jammed the business of crime journalist got rolling again. By using the phone how to pose as officials or colleagues. Kraaij cheated so many sensitive and confidential information about bank details and even entire criminal history which he then sold to interested parties. De Vries also, that he many scoop ( "Mabel Gate ') had helped, he said. De Vries, who was asked for a reply, did not specifically on the story of Kraaij, but confirmed that he sometimes uses detective agencies to difficult to get information on the table. "I think that I am free to anyone to turn to some research."
But a spokesperson for the Protection Board felt that it did not matter whether you are client or supplier. "In every case there is improper conduct. If you know that your orders for information to find out that no legitimate way to obtain, it is against the law. "

The Data Protection Act also applies to journalism, agreed the privacy spokesman, but not the control of the college.

Even in the case of Natalee Holloway, has criticized the way the crime reporter. Criminal lawyer Gerard Spong said in NRC Handelsblad last Saturday's even possible that De Vries 'unlawful' acted by an undercover agent who worked for him in the private sphere has made recordings. He has the privacy of the alleged perpetrator violated Joran van der Sloot. "There is about jurisprudence of the European Court of Human Rights."
But one thing is another.

Own Direction

While other investigative journalists stop De Vries goes through - that he calls himself, and his numerous articles, columns, books and television programs are the best proof. He found perpetrators such as Louis H. Corinne Bolhaar and who killed her two children. Baarnse he solved the murder mystery - still a cold case involving the perpetrator of a double murder was appointed. If he pleaded innocent free, as the two men convicted of Putten. Under pressure they had announced they had killed stewardess Christel Ambrosius. De Vries found much evidence that they had not done that the judges they should acquit.

In the eyes of De Vries, the end - 'the truth' - the means, now as an undercover operation in the Natalee Holloway case. De Vries has said in interviews that people who have done something terrible, no longer entitled to legal protection of their privacy. The suffering they have inflicted on victims and survivors, is too big.
It is a concept close to vigilantism aanschuurt (private justice). But he is not alone in there. That feeling of 'fault, then you should not do it "lives in a large part of Dutch society. This is understandable, but the suspects are involved - (still) not guilty - even though it is on television so compelling evidence yet. Netherlands is still a law where the judge decides, not the TV-looking people. The States should prudently deal with the privacy of suspects. In published rulings are names of convicts still anonymous. There are also rules for detection. A high level of direct infringement of one's environment is always prior permission from a judge. This is particularly true for undercover operations.

In America the Dutch debate about the use of an infiltrator to Joran van der Sloot to confess to persuade little stir. It is a detection method that is commonly used by U.S. police and judiciary. The Dutch authorities are much more regulated than their overseas counterparts.

Private justice and trial by media advancing. The debate over the legality of the undercover operation as De Vries who performed in the Holloway case, took place earlier in the United States. Even American crime alert the use of undercover reporters not. This includes the flow of money sometimes very wide. Dateline, the news section of NBC, in 2006 the citizens' committee paid Perverted Justice as one hundred thousand U.S. dollars for pedophiles to address, said The Washington Post. The members of the group occurred in a chat room for minors and tried to come into contact with adults for sex. The broadcast of To Catch a Predator attracted one million audience. Later came harsh criticism of these undercover operations. With help from the reporters and the public could identify the police pedophiles, but also proved to be innocent. Many questioned the programmers here not to. Here was finally the end justifies the means.
Back to Peter R. de Vries. He has more than four hundred murder cases examined. So far he has always neat things for each other. Democratic control of civilian investigators if he does not exist. But there are always (jealous) colleagues will not hesitate to tackle the TV detective when he dropped a stitch.



Last update: Monday, October 19, 2009, 20:30 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 11, 2009, 11:20:20 PM
I can't wait for Sunday.... ::MonkeyCool::
urine, paulass.k2 should be scaaaaared....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 11, 2009, 11:23:34 PM
Whatever Peter brings out...it is always good to put what happened to Natalee back in the spotlight....
And the last perps she was known to be with.... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 11, 2009, 11:34:01 PM
Whatever Peter brings out...it is always good to put what happened to Natalee back in the spotlight....
And the last perps she was known to be with.... ::MonkeyMad::

I agree billb! 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 11:37:28 PM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 11, 2009, 11:50:14 PM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66323.php

Google translation:

Curacao

FOL-based view thorn in Chavez

December 11, 2009, 13:18 (GMT -04:00)


 
PHILIPSBURG - The U.S. FOL based on Hato airport can not escape local and international discussion. That is being fueled mainly by the Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, who recently reiterated uitliet negatively on the operations of the U.S. Air Force as close to Venezuela. The U.S. base stationed here in the past F-16 fighter planes. Today it is mainly specialized in aircraft gathering intelligence. Formally, these services are combating trafficking from Colombia. Venezuela are open to doubt and see the Americans here as a threat. The picture on the ground a Boeing RC-135 Rivet Joint surveillance aircraft with some regularity Hato state.


I have always felt that this FOL base afforded Aruba special treatment from our governemnt and likely prevented any formal travel warnings, etc.

I also think it was the card played by Aruba when they visited Congressman Bachus and he came out and only said "Wiretaps" that they threatened to not allow it if he and the State Dept did not back off.

And while Uncle Hugo is a tremendous buffoon, he does continue to warrant close observation as he does things like his recent deal to purchase $2 BILLION in arms from Russia and his chats with Iran for developing nukes of his own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2009, 11:55:23 PM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::

Yes, or Scorpio.  One of the two I would guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:00:46 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

Yes he is, and I hope he continues to do it until we see justice!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/biografie/

More pictures in the gallery on the right of the page.   

If you can't save them let me know, and I'll post them for you.  ::santawink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:03:11 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::

Scorpio  November 14th



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Peter Rudolf de Vries (born November 14, 1956) is a Dutch crime reporter with his own television programme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_R._de_Vries


Which just happens to be my own most compatible sign, lol.  Gets worse and wose for me all the time.
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 12:06:28 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::

Scorpio  November 14th



Anna was right....but she would be about Peter, wouldn't she?  He looks bullish to me. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:06:56 AM
Peter Rudolf de Vries (born November 14, 1956) is a Dutch crime reporter with his own television programme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_R._de_Vries


Which just happens to be my own most compatible sign, lol.  Gets worse and wose for me all the time.
 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:10:21 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

Yes he is, and I hope he continues to do it until we see justice!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/biografie/

More pictures in the gallery on the right of the page.  

If you can't save them let me know, and I'll post them for you.  ::santawink::



Thank you, TxMom.  I can save them but am trying to resist the urge on my lappie.  I have a huge collection on my desktop PC and even screensavers.  Sort of embarrassing when one of my kids uses my computer. 

I tell them I admire his work with victims of crime and they laugh and laugh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 12:10:37 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:13:33 AM
I did hear back from NL and have a couple watching the program Sunday night who say they will report back and give a synopsis of what he says, according to them.  Then I will post it here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 12:15:29 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, that has been my experience as well, Wreck.  And with Cancer the Crab they are not only compatible but is supposed to be the strongest of all zodiac signs.  Something Scorpios might want to keep in mind as well.

Scorpios have to be looking at you to sting and do so when you least expect it.  That's what I am hoping Peter does to Joran and Paulus.

No SLoot, no Justice!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 12, 2009, 12:18:05 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::

Scorpio  November 14th



Anna was right....but she would be about Peter, wouldn't she?  He looks bullish to me. ::MonkeyDevil::


I can see why you would say that, Magnolia.  He does have a tendency to tear a new one.


(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QhQBqa0Ha0SE_M:http://members.tripod.com/~animom/bull.jpg)


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:19:42 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::


LOL!  Gotta be, Magnolia.  Remember every time we have said a male was handsome other than de Vries, the male posters used to post that he was gay and didn't take baths and stuff like that.  Was so funny and so predictable.  Johnny Depp comes to mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 12:20:27 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::
Halloween Eve  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:21:11 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

Yes he is, and I hope he continues to do it until we see justice!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/biografie/

More pictures in the gallery on the right of the page.  

If you can't save them let me know, and I'll post them for you.  ::santawink::



Thank you, TxMom.  I can save them but am trying to resist the urge on my lappie.  I have a huge collection on my desktop PC and even screensavers.  Sort of embarrassing when one of my kids uses my computer. 

I tell them I admire his work with victims of crime and they laugh and laugh.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:23:43 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::

Scorpio  November 14th



Anna was right....but she would be about Peter, wouldn't she?  He looks bullish to me. ::MonkeyDevil::


I can see why you would say that, Magnolia.  He does have a tendency to tear a new one.


(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QhQBqa0Ha0SE_M:http://members.tripod.com/~animom/bull.jpg)


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Sis!  I didn't get it, but now I do!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 I agree!    ::DancingSantaMonkey1:::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:24:48 AM
I did hear back from NL and have a couple watching the program Sunday night who say they will report back and give a synopsis of what he says, according to them.  Then I will post it here.

Thanks Anna!   ::CowboySmiley::

Sunday's going to be a long day...waiting...I hate waiting!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 12, 2009, 12:25:02 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::
Halloween Eve  ::MonkeyShovel::

I notice the resemblance!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 12, 2009, 12:26:11 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

That is a handsome photo of Peter.  I'll bet he's a Taurus. ::ElfMonkey::

Scorpio  November 14th



Anna was right....but she would be about Peter, wouldn't she?  He looks bullish to me. ::MonkeyDevil::


I can see why you would say that, Magnolia.  He does have a tendency to tear a new one.


(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QhQBqa0Ha0SE_M:http://members.tripod.com/~animom/bull.jpg)


 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Sis!  I didn't get it, but now I do!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 I agree!    ::DancingSantaMonkey1:::

 ::santawink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::
Halloween Eve  ::MonkeyShovel::

I notice the resemblance!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, definitely those Scorpios are a handsome lot, all of them.

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:28:44 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, that has been my experience as well, Wreck.  And with Cancer the Crab they are not only compatible but is supposed to be the strongest of all zodiac signs.  Something Scorpios might want to keep in mind as well.

Scorpios have to be looking at you to sting and do so when you least expect it.  That's what I am hoping Peter does to Joran and Paulus.

No SLoot, no Justice!


I hope he does too Anna!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Peter_Joran_Paulus_1.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 12, 2009, 12:29:14 AM
What a nice article about De Vries complete with new and most handsome photo!

He seems to be the only person  in the world right now keeping the heat on Joran.  And through that, Paulus.

Yes he is, and I hope he continues to do it until we see justice!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/biografie/

More pictures in the gallery on the right of the page.  

If you can't save them let me know, and I'll post them for you.  ::santawink::



Thank you, TxMom.  I can save them but am trying to resist the urge on my lappie.  I have a huge collection on my desktop PC and even screensavers.  Sort of embarrassing when one of my kids uses my computer. 

I tell them I admire his work with victims of crime and they laugh and laugh.

Those fierce blue eyes are just an added bonus.

 ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 12:30:19 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::
Halloween Eve  ::MonkeyShovel::

I notice the resemblance!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


(I don't think this is my "good" side)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:35:13 AM
And for a total shift in subjects, I don't have my copy of Beth's book around, lost in the shuffle of moving still, likely in storage so I can't look it up but someone likely knows from memory.

Didn't Beth say Theodore "Vader" van Loon was driving around pulling a little "rubber boat" with a blue barrel?  It's the rubber boat part that is interesting.  Maybe a Daurry by some chance?

I don't really believe van Loon involved and think he is just yet another scubajap decoy but the rubber boat seems to be somewhere nagging in the back of my mind.

Guess just to look at any and all loose ends?  But he seemed much too open to Beth to have been involved IMO.  Just another rubber boat to think about I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:38:37 AM
And for a total shift in subjects, I don't have my copy of Beth's book around, lost in the shuffle of moving still, likely in storage so I can't look it up but someone likely knows from memory.

Didn't Beth say Theodore "Vader" van Loon was driving around pulling a little "rubber boat" with a blue barrel?  It's the rubber boat part that is interesting.  Maybe a Daurry by some chance?

I don't really believe van Loon involved and think he is just yet another scubajap decoy but the rubber boat seems to be somewhere nagging in the back of my mind.

Guess just to look at any and all loose ends?  But he seemed much too open to Beth to have been involved IMO.  Just another rubber boat to think about I guess.

It's so funny that you mention that, I've been thinking about that too.  IIRC his first words to Beth were that he was "sorry about Natalee" too!

And yes I do remember the part about the little rubber boat. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:47:41 AM
Maybe Joran calls all little rubber boats Daurrys?

I always thought maybe he started to say Da-ddy and changed it mid-word.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
So rubber boats wouldn't show up on radar very much if it was in fact even turned on.  And a small one would not make much noise which would also be a factor that late at night.  Wouldn't want a boat with big motor at that hour.  Van Loon's boat would fit but not much else about him would.  Don't think he has known connection to Joran and was older than the pimp creeps.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:58:38 AM
HT Klaas (pics)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/vadirvanloon2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/vadirvehicle.jpg)

Loving Natalee page 84-85
snips
The tips are coming in steadily all day...One tip in particular keeps resurfacing---that Jeep...One caller says the driver is known as Theodore.  Another says his name is Vader.  A well-known drug runner on the island drives a bright yellow Jeep pulling a trailer with a small rubber boat on the back......In the little dinghy is an old oil barrrel.  This is the most difficult tip for me to listen to so far, as the callers are saying that the barrel in the boat on the back of this Jeep is where Natalee was put so she could be taken out to sea and dumped...

On the way to the print shop to have the new "KIDNAPPED" posters printed Beth spots the yellow Jeep with a small boat on a trailer and a barrel in the dinghy.  It's parked at a pizza restaurant.  The cab driver confirms that "It's Vader's Jeep."  He very bad.  Very bad.....Beth has the driver pull up to the Jeep and rolls down her window.

Loving Natalee Page 86
"Before I can speak, he sees me and offers, "I'm sorry about Natalee."
   That's weird, and his statement takes me aback.  I haven't even introduced myself.  So I ask him if he knows where she is and explain that there are reports that she has been seen in his vehicle.
   He replies, "What about the gray Honda?  I thought they were looking into that."  And before I can answer he volunteers, "The Coast Guard has already searched my boat."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 01:00:07 AM
So rubber boats wouldn't show up on radar very much if it was in fact even turned on.  And a small one would not make much noise which would also be a factor that late at night.  Wouldn't want a boat with big motor at that hour.  Van Loon's boat would fit but not much else about him would.  Don't think he has known connection to Joran and was older than the pimp creeps.



I think Von Loon was a cousin of the van der Sloots cousin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 01:27:46 AM
I don't think this is the same guy that's in the yellow jeep, but found it interesting.  You know how they liked to play the name games in the beginning.
 ::MonkeyRoll::


http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/interval-international-nominates-theodorus-van-loon-of-caribbean-palm-village-for-arda-award/

(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/phpNews/5_INTERVAL_I.jpg)

INTERVAL INTERNATIONAL NOMINATES THEODORUS VAN LOON OF CARIBBEAN PALM VILLAGE FOR ARDA AWARD

Hotels     February 28th, 2003

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Interval International recently nominated Theodorus van Loon, chief of maintenance at Caribbean Palm Village Resort in Noord, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean, for an American Resort Development Association (ARDA) Award, in the management and administration category for maintenance manager. Interval’s selection of Mr. van Loon for this nomination is in recognition of his numerous accomplishments as chief of maintenance for the resort.

“Mr. van Loon’s achievements in 2002 have been vital to the outstanding maintenance of the Caribbean Palm Village Resort,” said Marcos Agostini, Interval’s region director for the Caribbean and Latin America, Resort Sales and Service Department.  “The property has been able to uphold its superior quality standards due to his dedication and commitment.”

“We are honored that Interval International has chosen to nominate Theo for this esteemed ARDA award,” said Angelica Christiaans, general manager, Caribbean Palm Village.  “He has been a valuable asset to our property because of his strong work ethic and knowledge of the property.  His contributions have been instrumental to the overall success of the resort.”
ARDA is the Washington, D.C.-based trade association representing the vacation ownership and resort development industries.  Established in 1969 as the American Land Development Association, ARDA today has close to 1,000 members, ranging from privately-held companies to major corporations, in the U.S. and overseas.

The ARDA Awards Program is committed to recognizing the industry’s most remarkable talent in areas that include overall professional excellence, outstanding sales accomplishments, product design, advertising, and staff.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 12, 2009, 01:38:54 AM
Pretty sure that's the father


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 01:43:15 AM
Thanks Klaas!  That's what I was just about to ask!  In this pic Vadir looks younger to me than he does in the other one. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg456882

HT Klaas

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/vadirvanloon.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 01:46:28 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)




Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 12, 2009, 06:58:42 AM
I did hear back from NL and have a couple watching the program Sunday night who say they will report back and give a synopsis of what he says, according to them.  Then I will post it here.

Thank you Anna!  I look forward to your friends report. ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 12, 2009, 07:22:48 AM
EEEEEEEEWwwwwwwwwww! VAD! Not a pleasant flashback  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 12, 2009, 08:08:57 AM
So rubber boats wouldn't show up on radar very much if it was in fact even turned on.  And a small one would not make much noise which would also be a factor that late at night.  Wouldn't want a boat with big motor at that hour.  Van Loon's boat would fit but not much else about him would.  Don't think he has known connection to Joran and was older than the pimp creeps.

I think it depends on the radar.  If you're aiming for the sky, that's what you see.

I saw a radar in action demonstration earlier this year.  The birds on the water, the fishermen on the shore, and all the buildings along with other water traffic all showed up. 

Learning to understand the blips is a skill that needs to be developed over time.

The demonstrator had many years of experience watching birds, small boats, and people on radar.

Why wouldn't Aruba see rubber boats on radar?  What exactly is that radar for?

I also remember someone, Dompig maybe, saying that they had such good radar, they saw all the people on the beaches at night.

What kind of radar do they have and what are it's capabilities?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
So rubber boats wouldn't show up on radar very much if it was in fact even turned on.  And a small one would not make much noise which would also be a factor that late at night.  Wouldn't want a boat with big motor at that hour.  Van Loon's boat would fit but not much else about him would.  Don't think he has known connection to Joran and was older than the pimp creeps.

I think it depends on the radar.  If you're aiming for the sky, that's what you see.

I saw a radar in action demonstration earlier this year.  The birds on the water, the fishermen on the shore, and all the buildings along with other water traffic all showed up. 

Learning to understand the blips is a skill that needs to be developed over time.

The demonstrator had many years of experience watching birds, small boats, and people on radar.

Why wouldn't Aruba see rubber boats on radar?  What exactly is that radar for?

I also remember someone, Dompig maybe, saying that they had such good radar, they saw all the people on the beaches at night.

What kind of radar do they have and what are it's capabilities?
First of all, regardless of the "quality" of Aruba's radar -- the fact is, it was "turned off" that night. Second of all, the radar question to me is moot, as I don't think the disposal happened that night anyways. Thirdly, no matter WHEN the body was disposed of -- a "daurry" will have a much smaller footprint than a larger motorboat or ship.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 09:51:50 AM
TopNewsReports.com
Articles

 
 

 
 
 Boats On Parade In Aruba


By Meri Ulrich
Mar. 31, 2006

During his little show on "48 Hours", Gerald Dompig showed the audience some computer screens that are housed at the police department where he conducts his business. We saw boats being tracked and he claimed that those were the boats that were tracked on the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. He showed that every single boat that came and went out of Aruba on that fateful night was tracked on that screen.
 
He lied.
 
On May 30th, 2005, Aruba had NO working tracking system in place. It didn't exist.
 
Raytheon Canada to Install Coastal Surveillance Radars in Dutch Caribbean
Posted 30-Nov-2005 03:10
Related stories: Americas - Other, Coastal & Littoral, Contracts - Awards, Europe - Other, Radars, Raytheon
Also on this day: 30-Nov-2005 »
 
Raytheon Canada won a contract valued at approximately $12 million (EUR 10 million) from the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles & Aruba (CGNA&A) to build an integrated coastal surveillance radar network on the islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, including long-term maintenance and training.

Whole article here:http://www.topnewsreports.com/reports/article008.html
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 12, 2009, 09:58:17 AM
So rubber boats wouldn't show up on radar very much if it was in fact even turned on.  And a small one would not make much noise which would also be a factor that late at night.  Wouldn't want a boat with big motor at that hour.  Van Loon's boat would fit but not much else about him would.  Don't think he has known connection to Joran and was older than the pimp creeps.

I think it depends on the radar.  If you're aiming for the sky, that's what you see.

I saw a radar in action demonstration earlier this year.  The birds on the water, the fishermen on the shore, and all the buildings along with other water traffic all showed up. 

Learning to understand the blips is a skill that needs to be developed over time.

The demonstrator had many years of experience watching birds, small boats, and people on radar.

Why wouldn't Aruba see rubber boats on radar?  What exactly is that radar for?

I also remember someone, Dompig maybe, saying that they had such good radar, they saw all the people on the beaches at night.

What kind of radar do they have and what are it's capabilities?
First of all, regardless of the "quality" of Aruba's radar -- the fact is, it was "turned off" that night. Second of all, the radar question to me is moot, as I don't think the disposal happened that night anyways. Thirdly, no matter WHEN the body was disposed of -- a "daurry" will have a much smaller footprint than a larger motorboat or ship.

How small is to small?  How many boats were from the music festival?  I recall that some suggested here was a lot of boat traffic.

Would noise be a problem?  What of all the commerical fishermen?  Cruise ships in the early morning hours?  Drug traffic?

How would any Aruban 'clear' all the water traffic after the fact?  Days, weeks, or months later?

The 'fishermen' didn't see anyone that matched JVDS description.  JVDS...saw lots of people on the beach, but none have come forward to support his stories.  And, to this day, no one really knows which Kalpoe came with the taxi to pick him up and drive him home.

I wonder how often the radar goes off in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 12, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
TopNewsReports.com
Articles

 
 

 
 
 Boats On Parade In Aruba


By Meri Ulrich
Mar. 31, 2006

During his little show on "48 Hours", Gerald Dompig showed the audience some computer screens that are housed at the police department where he conducts his business. We saw boats being tracked and he claimed that those were the boats that were tracked on the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. He showed that every single boat that came and went out of Aruba on that fateful night was tracked on that screen.
 
He lied.
 
On May 30th, 2005, Aruba had NO working tracking system in place. It didn't exist.
 
Raytheon Canada to Install Coastal Surveillance Radars in Dutch Caribbean
Posted 30-Nov-2005 03:10
Related stories: Americas - Other, Coastal & Littoral, Contracts - Awards, Europe - Other, Radars, Raytheon
Also on this day: 30-Nov-2005 »
 
Raytheon Canada won a contract valued at approximately $12 million (EUR 10 million) from the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles & Aruba (CGNA&A) to build an integrated coastal surveillance radar network on the islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, including long-term maintenance and training.

Whole article here:http://www.topnewsreports.com/reports/article008.html
 


Yup, that is what I remember, no working radar that night.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 12, 2009, 10:01:04 AM
TopNewsReports.com
Articles

 
 

 
 
 Boats On Parade In Aruba


By Meri Ulrich
Mar. 31, 2006

During his little show on "48 Hours", Gerald Dompig showed the audience some computer screens that are housed at the police department where he conducts his business. We saw boats being tracked and he claimed that those were the boats that were tracked on the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. He showed that every single boat that came and went out of Aruba on that fateful night was tracked on that screen.
 
He lied.
 
On May 30th, 2005, Aruba had NO working tracking system in place. It didn't exist.
 
Raytheon Canada to Install Coastal Surveillance Radars in Dutch Caribbean
Posted 30-Nov-2005 03:10
Related stories: Americas - Other, Coastal & Littoral, Contracts - Awards, Europe - Other, Radars, Raytheon
Also on this day: 30-Nov-2005 »
 
Raytheon Canada won a contract valued at approximately $12 million (EUR 10 million) from the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles & Aruba (CGNA&A) to build an integrated coastal surveillance radar network on the islands of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, including long-term maintenance and training.

Whole article here:http://www.topnewsreports.com/reports/article008.html
 


I believe the Dutch and Americans have a presence on the island to help stop drug trafficing.  I wonder if they had working radar during that time?

It's hard to believe that they have no radar when they had cruise, drug, business, and pleasure traffic.  It's an island.  Good and services move by water.

What other radar was available on the island?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 12, 2009, 10:15:58 AM
Aruba didn't have their new super duper radar, the did have something and they tested it in 2004 -

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Gerold Dompig during his CBS 48 Hours interview stated that experiments were done with dummies being thrown over board in the water; every time they drifted back to shore. The only way this would not occur was if a boat sailed more than two miles off shore. Dompig then stated, “a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape. Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished“.

Quote
Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.


Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

That is quite a different story compared to the Amigoe article back in November 2005 entitled, “Radar-system not watertight”.

Quote
ORANJESTAD — The radar-system that monitors the coastline is not watertight. People still manage to enter Aruba illegally from sea. This was stated by the general commander of Warda nos Costa, Gerold Dompig. His statement challenges the words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who closed a lease contract for the radar equipment last year.

In June, July and August 2004 the radars were put into operation as a test. Vessels were placed out at sea to test the radar’s reach. The results were positive and the lease contract was signed till August 2007. A year later it becomes apparent that the radar’s efficiency is somewhat different in reality compared to the theoretical press presentation of Raytheon. Project coordinator Kelly confirms Dompig’s statement that high waves influence the efficiency of the radar. “The radar works well, but not during all types of weather. Heavy rainfall causes all kinds of spots on the screen, which makes it difficult to discern small boats. But, then again, no radar is full proof.”


Which could explain why in November 2005, Aruba entered into a new contract with Raytheon. However, Dompig stated in his interview that the radar of the night of May 30, 2005 would “have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished”. That seems to be disputed by the Amigoe article.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/)

Natalee disappeared in good weather.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 10:26:38 AM
Aruba didn't have their new super duper radar, the did have something and they tested it in 2004 -

Quote
Gerold Dompig during his CBS 48 Hours interview stated that experiments were done with dummies being thrown over board in the water; every time they drifted back to shore. The only way this would not occur was if a boat sailed more than two miles off shore. Dompig then stated, “a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape. Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished“.

Quote
Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.


Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

That is quite a different story compared to the Amigoe article back in November 2005 entitled, “Radar-system not watertight”.

Quote
ORANJESTAD — The radar-system that monitors the coastline is not watertight. People still manage to enter Aruba illegally from sea. This was stated by the general commander of Warda nos Costa, Gerold Dompig. His statement challenges the words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who closed a lease contract for the radar equipment last year.

In June, July and August 2004 the radars were put into operation as a test. Vessels were placed out at sea to test the radar’s reach. The results were positive and the lease contract was signed till August 2007. A year later it becomes apparent that the radar’s efficiency is somewhat different in reality compared to the theoretical press presentation of Raytheon. Project coordinator Kelly confirms Dompig’s statement that high waves influence the efficiency of the radar. “The radar works well, but not during all types of weather. Heavy rainfall causes all kinds of spots on the screen, which makes it difficult to discern small boats. But, then again, no radar is full proof.”


Which could explain why in November 2005, Aruba entered into a new contract with Raytheon. However, Dompig stated in his interview that the radar of the night of May 30, 2005 would “have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished”. That seems to be disputed by the Amigoe article.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/)

Natalee disappeared in good weather.
Again, so what if they PERFECT radar May 30th, 2005 --- I don't think she was disposed of that night anyways. What did their radar show MONDAY night???????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 12, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
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  #7 (permalink)    Friday, June 15th, 2007, 08:16 AM 
 ScubaBOS 
Aruba Expert   Join Date: April 15th, 2004
Location: BOS
Posts: 546
 
 
 Re: A big drug bust in the marina harbor

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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.

When we were there in March we watched as the police helicopter hovered over the water towards the Westin/Wyndham end of Palm Beach. There was a boat heading towards shore.


When a fishing boat departs on a fishing epedition, it's not always fish they're looking for. It happens along the FLA often. A mother ship drops bales of drugs off into the water a a give location and then a second boat comes along to catch what was left behind.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f57/big-drug-bust-marina-harbor-7172/ (http://bb.visitaruba.com/f57/big-drug-bust-marina-harbor-7172/)

I wonder how many drug busts were aided by radar prior to Natalee's disappearance?  How many may have been reported in Diario?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 12, 2009, 10:33:20 AM
Aruba didn't have their new super duper radar, the did have something and they tested it in 2004 -

Quote
Gerold Dompig during his CBS 48 Hours interview stated that experiments were done with dummies being thrown over board in the water; every time they drifted back to shore. The only way this would not occur was if a boat sailed more than two miles off shore. Dompig then stated, “a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape. Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished“.

Quote
Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.


Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

That is quite a different story compared to the Amigoe article back in November 2005 entitled, “Radar-system not watertight”.

Quote
ORANJESTAD — The radar-system that monitors the coastline is not watertight. People still manage to enter Aruba illegally from sea. This was stated by the general commander of Warda nos Costa, Gerold Dompig. His statement challenges the words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who closed a lease contract for the radar equipment last year.

In June, July and August 2004 the radars were put into operation as a test. Vessels were placed out at sea to test the radar’s reach. The results were positive and the lease contract was signed till August 2007. A year later it becomes apparent that the radar’s efficiency is somewhat different in reality compared to the theoretical press presentation of Raytheon. Project coordinator Kelly confirms Dompig’s statement that high waves influence the efficiency of the radar. “The radar works well, but not during all types of weather. Heavy rainfall causes all kinds of spots on the screen, which makes it difficult to discern small boats. But, then again, no radar is full proof.”


Which could explain why in November 2005, Aruba entered into a new contract with Raytheon. However, Dompig stated in his interview that the radar of the night of May 30, 2005 would “have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished”. That seems to be disputed by the Amigoe article.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/)

Natalee disappeared in good weather.
Again, so what if they PERFECT radar May 30th, 2005 --- I don't think she was disposed of that night anyways. What did their radar show MONDAY night???????????

What is really known about the capabilities of the radar?  Were there records made with the old radar?  How could they look back on any night and say it was 'clear' if they didn't have some kind of record?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 10:50:44 AM
The bottom line is Aruba is LYING. They don't track or account for EVERY boat that comes and goes. You can't tell me they know EVERY pleasure craft that comes and goes. Even if they did, they sure as hell don't know what/who is on each boat or the purpose of their trip. The whole radar thing is meaningless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 11:17:14 AM
So rubber boats wouldn't show up on radar very much if it was in fact even turned on.  And a small one would not make much noise which would also be a factor that late at night.  Wouldn't want a boat with big motor at that hour.  Van Loon's boat would fit but not much else about him would.  Don't think he has known connection to Joran and was older than the pimp creeps.

I think it depends on the radar.  If you're aiming for the sky, that's what you see.

I saw a radar in action demonstration earlier this year.  The birds on the water, the fishermen on the shore, and all the buildings along with other water traffic all showed up. 

Learning to understand the blips is a skill that needs to be developed over time.

The demonstrator had many years of experience watching birds, small boats, and people on radar.

Why wouldn't Aruba see rubber boats on radar?  What exactly is that radar for?

I also remember someone, Dompig maybe, saying that they had such good radar, they saw all the people on the beaches at night.

What kind of radar do they have and what are it's capabilities?
First of all, regardless of the "quality" of Aruba's radar -- the fact is, it was "turned off" that night. Second of all, the radar question to me is moot, as I don't think the disposal happened that night anyways. Thirdly, no matter WHEN the body was disposed of -- a "daurry" will have a much smaller footprint than a larger motorboat or ship.

How small is to small?  How many boats were from the music festival?  I recall that some suggested here was a lot of boat traffic.

Would noise be a problem?  What of all the commerical fishermen?  Cruise ships in the early morning hours?  Drug traffic?

How would any Aruban 'clear' all the water traffic after the fact?  Days, weeks, or months later?

The 'fishermen' didn't see anyone that matched JVDS description.  JVDS...saw lots of people on the beach, but none have come forward to support his stories.  And, to this day, no one really knows which Kalpoe came with the taxi to pick him up and drive him home.

I wonder how often the radar goes off in Aruba.

1. I believe Natalee was disposed of the following night.

2. Police had everything covered.  Commercial Fisherman aren't going to go against the police.  Drug dealers aren't a problem either.  Do you really think one of them is going to say Hey I'm a drug dealer and I saw something.  I don't think so.  They probably buried a few themselves with the help of the police.  The old saying "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yourS".  They are all crooked and wouldn't come forward out of fear.

3. They were never at the beach.

4. The radar goes off whenever the police tell them to shut it off.

5. Jossy Mansur said they were instructed to turn the radar off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 11:23:13 AM
ART WOOD SAID "THIS WAS A PROFESSIONAL COVERUP".  IN MY OPINION THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO MAKE IT SUCCEED.

THEY WERE ALL PLAYING THE DUMB ROLE.  YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM.  THE FIRST FEW WEEKS WERE CRUCIAL AND THAT ACT GAVE THEM TIME TO COMPLETE THE COVERUP.

THIRD WORLD COUNTRY MY ASS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 11:25:21 AM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 11:32:32 AM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 11:37:03 AM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 11:45:30 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66323.php

Google translation:

Curacao

FOL-based view thorn in Chavez

December 11, 2009, 13:18 (GMT -04:00)


 
PHILIPSBURG - The U.S. FOL based on Hato airport can not escape local and international discussion. That is being fueled mainly by the Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, who recently reiterated uitliet negatively on the operations of the U.S. Air Force as close to Venezuela. The U.S. base stationed here in the past F-16 fighter planes. Today it is mainly specialized in aircraft gathering intelligence. Formally, these services are combating trafficking from Colombia. Venezuela are open to doubt and see the Americans here as a threat. The picture on the ground a Boeing RC-135 Rivet Joint surveillance aircraft with some regularity Hato state.


I have always felt that this FOL base afforded Aruba special treatment from our governemnt and likely prevented any formal travel warnings, etc.

I also think it was the card played by Aruba when they visited Congressman Bachus and he came out and only said "Wiretaps" that they threatened to not allow it if he and the State Dept did not back off.

And while Uncle Hugo is a tremendous buffoon, he does continue to warrant close observation as he does things like his recent deal to purchase $2 BILLION in arms from Russia and his chats with Iran for developing nukes of his own.

Speaking of...

12/9/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12092009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

chavez is sospecha cu coin steal for of banconan at venezuela, is in one banco at aruba come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12092009AweMaintaPg3.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

chairman of venezuela chavez is sospecha cu coin steal for of banconan at venezuela, is in one banco at aruba

recientemente chairman of venezuela, hugo chavez owing to let close 4 banco comercial at aruba (I think they meant to say Venezuela), where owing to stay conclui cu the banconan here owing to steal very much coin at venezuela. the.o. owing to steal coin for of the compania of petroleum, pdvsa.

but thing cu owing to calling atencion was the mature cu now hugo chavez is tell, cu the is sospecha cu great part of the coin steal here is hinca in one banco at aruba, cu is pertenece at one are of venezolano powerful, kendenan owing to open recientemente one banco at aruba, cu the aim here for sconde coin steal.

bayendo bek in history, t’asina cu not have none banco comercial cu owing to open recientemente at aruba, but owing to come resulta cu is one banco off-shore, cu is conoci because; bba-bank. one banco cu owing to achieve aprobacion of banco central of aruba, for cual is dificil believe thing cu chairman chavez is insinua.

the banco here is being maneha for nelo loefstop because; his director, but buscando informacion, we of awemainta owing to achieve informacion cu nel loefstop owing to entrega his retiro, y of acuerdo cu we informacion, for motibo of salud. we was wanted owing to achieve his version of the situation here, where chavez is tell cu the banco here is sconde coin steal for of venezuela.

we did take contacto also cu banco central, cu have one division of supervision of banconan at aruba, but not was possible for achieve one vocero of the division here, for know kico is kico. because we not can believe cu bao of eye of division of supervision, the maniobra here will is tumando lugar, cu is dunando aruba one bad name.

owing to deal of achieve the director general of banco central, sra. jane semeleer, but not owing to being informa cu the is cu vakantie. wanted mean, dificil for achieve one version on the insinuacion of chairman of venezuela, hugo chavez, cu at aruba, have banco is participa at help saca fondonan of banconan comercial for sconde this at aruba. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 11:47:14 AM
Sorry, forgot to add the link.   :oops:

Would a kind mod please add it for me?  TIA 


http://awemainta.com/home/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 12, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 11:54:04 AM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

I had a hard time believing that tape.  Dompig was too casual and too cool.  For some reason I always thought that Dompig knew he was being recorded but why he did that is unclear.  Was it for some kind of leverage against the people who were protecting Paulus.  Did he do it so the powers that be would play fair with his side of the family also (Kalpoes).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 11:58:35 AM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page


Thanks, Buckeye!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 12:00:47 PM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page


Thanks, Buckeye!

I'm having a problem viewing the video.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 12, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

I had a hard time believing that tape.  Dompig was too casual and too cool.  For some reason I always thought that Dompig knew he was being recorded but why he did that is unclear.  Was it for some kind of leverage against the people who were protecting Paulus.  Did he do it so the powers that be would play fair with his side of the family also (Kalpoes).

Maybe he wanted to take the focus off "murder" and concentrate on sexual assault, knowing the three would declare it was consensual and therefore getting rid of the possible eight years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 12:09:31 PM
Thanks for the link Buckeye!   ::CowboySmiley::

Thanks for fixing my post San!   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 12:15:58 PM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0H5zgko1U&feature=channel_page


Thanks, Buckeye!

I'm having a problem viewing the video.  ::MonkeyMad::

I did too San.  I had to click again on the top right picture.  Then it started.

To me it looks like two men sitting in an office chatting as two men will do.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
I am with Wreck on this....there is no radar that tracks every pleasure boat that goes out at night.

Even if there is, nobody is going to tell us about it or release any information.  I think Dompig and
Josey have said all that is going to be said.

I think they took her out the next day anyway.

 :smt023

We have gotten a few teasers over the years from Jossy.  We have always heard he has this information or he has that.  What has he really shown us.  A little bit here, a little bit there but nothing that would crack this case open.


Remember that tape that Josey made of Dompig in his office saying that he had enough evidence to arrest all
three boys at that time?   I have always wondered what ever came of that and why it wasn't used.
Dompig didn't know he was being recorded.  I think it was on Jane Valez Mitchell's show.

I had a hard time believing that tape.  Dompig was too casual and too cool.  For some reason I always thought that Dompig knew he was being recorded but why he did that is unclear.  Was it for some kind of leverage against the people who were protecting Paulus.  Did he do it so the powers that be would play fair with his side of the family also (Kalpoes).

Maybe he wanted to take the focus off "murder" and concentrate on sexual assault, knowing the three would declare it was consensual and therefore getting rid of the possible eight years.

If they focused on sexual assault then they would have to produce a body.  That body would prove murder.  Was he only doing it for the Kalpoes and leaving Joran to hang himself with the murder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 12, 2009, 12:29:56 PM
Didn't Dompig say that they had enough evidence to charge them with sexual assault without a body?

I think Steve Cohen said the same thing.

I would enjoy seeing J2K get 8 years. ::ElfMonkey::


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Post by: San on December 12, 2009, 12:44:29 PM
Didn't Dompig say that they had enough evidence to charge them with sexual assault without a body?

I think Steve Cohen said the same thing.

I would enjoy seeing J2K get 8 years. ::ElfMonkey::

Here is an old post of mine regarding Steve Cohen.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=963.msg129432#msg129432



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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66363.php

Google translation:

Rainbow Warriors, "Petro China partner genocide '

December 12, 2009, 12:31 (GMT -04:00)

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The headquarters of Petro China in Beijing.
ORANGE CITY - Rainbow Warriors Environment Organization warns of the role of oil company PetroChina and its parent company China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) in the genocide in the Sudanese province of Darfur. Petro China has long been the main candidate to take over the oil refinery in San Nicolas, now owned by U.S. oil company Valero.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

Rainbow Warriors points to the mysterious nature of the negotiations between Aruba and the oil company. There would be twenty points at fifteen of these were negotiated and both parties have agreed in principle. These points were Minister Mike de Meza (AVP) Finance, Communications and Utilities during his press conference ten days ago also discussed. Aruba and the Chinese state oil company would not quite agree on the fiscal terms, the number of permanent employees, the environmental standards the company must keep going, and the liability to emergencies or refinery or not the entire year should be operational. Aruba on the points and Petro China to agree on that, Meza The minister has made no statements.

Reputation
By doing business with Petro China, alongside those achievements also a poor track record been in terms of environmental concerns in their own country, would Aruba itself because of its association with the company Petro China's own reputation damage, said Rainbow Warriors. The environmental organization have multiple associations and NGOs, including the Sudan Divestment Task Force, Genocide Intervention Network, Save Darfur Coalition and Investors Against Genocide, pointed out that both PetroChina and CNPC parent company involved in the violation of human rights in Darfur. Online Amigoe of research shows that investors in both America, including universities and federal states their investment in Petro China to have moved elsewhere because of involvement in the humanitarian crisis in Darfur. In Europe, attracted the pension of the European Parliament and the Dutch pension fund PGGM, the largest in Europe, including money from Petro China. American investeerdes, including Fidelity Investment and the billionaire philanthropist Warren Buffett in 2007 by various pressure groups were put under pressure to dump their shares to Petro China.


The main candidate for acquisition of the Valero oil refinery, is still the Chinese company PetroChina. PetroChina is the listed subsidiary of state-owned China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC). In 2007, Petro China the world's first company with a market value of one trillion U.S. dollars. In that respect it's also the biggest company in the world. Both CNPC and PetroChina, according Rainbow Warriors environmental organization involved in the genocide in the Sudanese province of Darfur, where conservative estimates of the United Nations between 200,000 and 450,000 people were killed.

Darfur
Research indicates that Amigoe by CNPC, the state oil company of China and its listed subsidiary PetroChina indeed active in Sudan. China's growing demand for fuel led in 2005 more than half of Sudan's oil reserves bought. Policy is that projects outside China by CNPC and its subsidiary PetroChina a joint venture. The predominantly Arab Muslims run by Omar al-Bashir regime, which since 2003 has been embroiled in a civil war against rebel groups, given the Chinese government full ownership of CNPC, money and weapons. Between 70 and 80 percent of the revenue from oil sales will go to military purposes. The UN and the U.S., the Sudanese government in 2005 accused of money, weapons and vehicles has been provided to Arab militias who were scheduled on the rebel-controlled villages in Darfur province. Between 200,000 and 450,000 people took this death, albeit by force or famine because humanitarian food shipments were not proceed. Millions were displaced from their homes and villages into refugee camps where hunger, violence and rape are still the order of the day.

Sudan will not only money and weapons from Beijing, but also political support. Thus China, along with Russia, Qatar and South Africa to send 20,000 UN call to send to Darfur blocked. Were also motions for higher santies against Sudan through the UN blocked by China.

On the other hand, Petro China participant in the so-called United Nations Global Compact (UNGC), an initiative of companies to adhere to a dozen ethical principles of human rights, labor, environment and corruption. Critics argue that Petro China's presence in Sudan in breach of at least two of these principles. Petro China since 2007 also publishes reports on its Corporate Social Responsibility. It is however no mention on the activities in Sudan. It is true that Petro China in June 2008 to inform themselves to make no investments in Sudan. "The investment in the Sudanese project, as indicated by gerucjten, not the benefit of the assets of Petro China, but those of CNPC."


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 02:07:54 PM
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Google translation:

General Assembly AHATA

December 12, 2009, 12:30 (GMT -04:00)

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Part of the team AHATA including new president James Hepple (middle).

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) yesterday called a "General Assembly of Members in 2009" was organized for all its members. It presented the organization both the results of this year as the new plans for next year. Moreover, the new CEO and president of the hotel and tourism organization, James Hepple (center), presented to members.

our reporters
Shade Cybulkiewicz and Mariska Bechis

At the same time we said goodbye to Rob Smith, who from 2010 will be replaced by Hepple. Smith has since 2007 worked as director of AHATA. Moreover, the organization at the meeting also said goodbye to Destination Marketing Director Sanju Under-Daryanani AHATA who has worked for four years, and President Rick Zeolla, one years who has worked for the organization. Finally Adam Snacks guest speaker gave a brief market analysis of tourism, with an overview of the economic consequences. Snacks is the founder and director of Oxford Economics' Tourism Economics division. It is obvious that the economic downturn around the world for a decline in tourism has brought. In the presentation at that meeting with various members of the AHATA were present, they presented the future plans for next year. Thus AHATA various marketing plans and the organization also plans to cooperate closely with the new government.
 
Marketing Plans
The AHATA yesterday announced a total of over 3.5 million U.S. dollars to have the marketing budget for next year. This money goes AHATA mainly focus on the promotion of Aruba in the United States not only here but also outside.

AHATA wants, by working with Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), the increasing number of tourists during the low season. Furthermore there is also invested in strengthening the relationship between AHATA and American operators as they booked 50 percent of the rooms provide. AHATA would also get more bookings through the ability to directly through hotel websites, to book rooms. In addition to using AHATA Aruba Airport Authority also ensure that the necessary seats are always reserved. According to guest speaker Adam Snacks will be positive next year in terms of tourist trade, but with the condition that Aruba is responding well to the opportunities that exist for the island as well to showcase products abroad.

 


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 02:10:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66361.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Cornelius Wilson released

December 12, 2009, 12:28 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Cornelius Wilson (65) is at liberty. The judge decided yesterday the detention of the politicians not to extend, with the result that Wilson could again leave the prison KIA. He remains suspicious and the investigation continues, said the PPS.

Wilson was arrested November 18 for bribery and forgery in a major corruption scandal involving land and housing in the district in Seroe Colorado Colony, San Nicolas. Is still unclear what proportion of Wilson in this case. The prosecution wanted about the importance of the study lost nothing. Wilson's lawyer, Edwin Field Duijn, is certainly pleased that his client is at liberty. Beginning in November was also made to search the former leader of Summum Bonum and number three on the list of MSI during the elections last September. With the arrest of Wilson, the number of arrests in the case came on five. In July, four women and one man arrested including two officials of Department of Infrastructure and Planning (DIP). Expressions are suspected of fraud, bribery, and forgery.


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 02:13:18 PM
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Google translation:

ARUBA

Criminal Rincones former police delayed

December 12, 2009, 12:27 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The criminal case against former police officer Nicholas Albert 'Chu' Rincones was postponed at the request of the defense. That the Court determined this week. The Public Prosecutor (OM) did not object to the postponement, which the court decided the case moved to March 25, 2010.

Prosecutor accuses Rincones of violation of the Firearms Regulation and embezzlement in employment. He was arrested on September 4, 2009 for illegally possessing a firearm. He was currently awaiting a certificate of good conduct in order as new head of immigration to get started at the airport. It was on firearm by a citizen several years ago as part of a fundraising of the firearms handed police Rincones. He has this weapon apparently never returned. On September 23, the custody of Rincones ended and he was allowed out of the KIA.


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 02:15:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66358.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Court to recess

December 12, 2009, 12:25 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The court is in recess partly from yesterday. Some criminal cases are still treated, especially those involving the extension or suspension of the provisional detention of a suspect. Criminal cases which could be postponed, that too. Civil, administrative or civil and administrative matters are not to reopen the first week of January 2010 dealt. This due to the large number of judges and officers over the Christmas period is always on holiday.


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 02:27:56 PM
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Google translation:

CURAÇAO

Heavy penalties in drug case

December 12, 2009, 12:57 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - The court reported Friday morning from prison of four to seven years, part of which were suspended, for a group of thirteen suspects in connection with their involvement in the importation of large quantities of cocaine in 2008 and 2009. One suspect was acquitted.

The major drug network, is suspected of (involvement in) the importation of at least 2000 kilograms of cocaine and the part of export including through containers with furniture to Europe, was in April of this year rolled. Consideration of the case by the court of first instance was on 13, 18 and November 23 in place and there were a total of 18 suspects to court.
The case was first bombed the Hezbollah case. This partly due to a press release and press conference of the Public Prosecutor (OM) in which the arrests were publicly explained. It was the OM the possible connection between the network rolled out and the terrorist organization Hezbollah. But during the handling of the case before the court officer said M. Angela that there is a connection between the two.

Judge R. Goossens said during the rule of the rulings that the evidence against the members of this network was gathered from telephone tapping. Even the police themselves certain acts of members of the group observed and some suspects have shown themselves to have been involved in the telephone calls were intercepted.

If physical evidence that the drugs seized in the house of one of the suspects, at the post office in Great Quarter, on Coral Tabak, and Hato Airport in the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Colombia.

Based on information obtained from the DEA of the United States began an investigation into the man Kassem Hussein. This study showed that Hussein was involved in several drug shipments in Curacao, both imports and exports.

He is seen as the leader of the organized transport and Friday was sentenced to an imprisonment of seven years.

Only the Dominican Danauris Tineo Nunez (25) known during the treatment to the court to share two landings in November (551 pounds) and January (408 pounds).

About his role in a landing in December of 254 pounds and his contacts with Hussein, did the Dominican on his right to remain silent.

The court found it proved, however, that this drugstransport Tineo Nunez also had been involved and one shotgun and two pistols with sharp patterns have been available.

For this he received a sentence of five years, one suspended, and probation for two years. Officer M. Angela had previously demanded a sentence of eight years.

Tineo Nunez has a daughter Juliana da Costa Gomez, who was used as chauffeuse four years imprisonment and who has received, including one years probation. Juliana da Costa Gomez's brother Harold Hussein is next considered as one of the great organizers, but he is still on the run.

When landing in November 2008 in Coral Tabak almost went wrong. The brambles were hijackers on the coast who came for the cocaine charge. But one agent was in the same groves on the lookout, and who maintained contact with the outside Arrest Team.

There was a heavy gun battle with automatic weapons with a Jeep, loaded with bales of cocaine, was riddled. There were no deaths. The drugs were seized. Robert Raven (38) and his nephew Jernel Raven (18) suspected of involvement in this ripdeal. Robert was angry because he was kept outside the deal, while he initially would have them do.

Uncle and nephew strongly denied their involvement, but the OM based its evidence on tapgesprekken support and evidence. If Robert had at the last moment of a purchase on a Sunday, which would be sufficient to transport bales coke Jernel that night and was seen at the entrance. The prosecution demanded eight and six years against the pair. Eventually Uncle Robert a prison sentence of six years and five months imprisonment and a cousin Jernel of four years, including one years probation, and probation for two years.

Also fireman Daal Clinton, who that night in November was at Coral Tabak, denies his share. Like he would have carried money to Venezuela, although his name is on the passenger list. Against him was six years required by the court but he has four years of imprisonment and five months been imposed.

The Cuban Lazaro Montero, suspected of providing for the Jeeps came a terrified Harold pick up after the gun battle at Coral Tabak. From tapgesprekken showed that Harold superstition in the drug landings had very dominating and he turned them in Lazaro. But Harold and Lazaro, in January of this year have been fighting the santero performed no services and more. By Lazaro was six years required for his involvement, but he got five years imprisonment imposed.

Furthermore, the court considered the involvement of the accused Saad Hammoud, Ramon Nunez Tejada, Edson Hato and Daniel Garcia in this case was also proved. Hammoud was convicted of participating in at least five different drugs shipments. He had a role to organize certain things. Hammoud was sentenced to six years imprisonment.

Tejada Nunez was sentenced to four years probation and one which one to two years probation for his involvement in the importation of 408 kilos of cocaine and illegal firearms possession.
Hato received four years imprisonment for his involvement in the export of cocaine and hashish. Daniel Garcia, a prison sentence of four years, including a contingent, serving in connection with his involvement in two major drug shipments.

Acquittal
Mohamed Baroud The man was acquitted by the court. He was assisted by lawyer Marije Vaders. They showed very pleased with the ruling because she had advocated the release of her client.

The company Baroud, Curastars, was used by large container loads to carry drugs. He stated there not to have been aware. The court considered the statements of his co-defendant as credible Baroud Hammoud, he was known previously to St. Maarten had come in contact with the justice system, his company had used.

It is shown that Curastars in May 2006 and in March, August and October 2008 has shipped containers which cocaine was found. Highly plausible that Baroud as owner of the company was not aware of, said the judge. Also from Baroud tapverslagen has not shown that had an active role in cocaine shipments. "Suspect is more a facilitator to have had, but that his conduct is not alleged in the indictments," said Judge Goossens.

Two weeks ago, got four suspects who first had to avoid penalties imposed from 10 to 18 months, with a conditional part.

Valerie E. (26) via her friend Quincy Prince became involved with the network was found guilty because she had helped to launder the 149,500 euros. She eventually got 365 days of which 266 probation imposed. That she had already spent in custody so they do not return to prison. Valerie E. is mother of a child and had a good job at a large bank. The Lexus in which they drove around Prince also was confiscated. Prince got for his involvement in some of the drug shipments, aiding money laundering and also for his involvement in the ripdeal imposed a sentence of 6 years.

The 23-year-old Sabrina V. 18 months was imposed. The court considered evidence that she had participated in the export of 2 and 20 pounds of cocaine and the importation of 402 grams of hashish. Sabrina cooperated fully with Justice. She admitted to have brokered contacts between the Netherlands and a buyer from a supplier of coking on Curaçao, 'the Arab'. The officer had demanded four years.

Dygisma W. (36) was 24 months, including six probation, imposed for sending a parcel through 9 kilos coke with soap blocks. The prosecution had demanded three years against her. The woman denied this emphatically to court. Which soap she had bought at the request of one Johnny, who wanted to start a trade to the Netherlands. But the thick air transport costs already exceeded the value of the soap from the supermarket. Dygisma found it strange that the package would eventually go to Egypt but yes, she still had all the precautions taken. Glennis C. finally got 10 months probation imposed for 5 which the holding of an Uzi and a shotgun and more than 200 cartridges. C. she kept in his safe home for his nephew, also a suspect in this case. But when he was arrested Glennis wanted from it. Eventually he was arrested on the street by the police. The prosecution had demanded 3 years.


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 03:33:35 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ycj3v7p

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Peter R. De Vries shows images police questioning Joran van der Sloot

(10-12-2009) and again is one by Peter R. de Vries as a marked man almost certain offender unpunished! After Joran van der Sloot is a man whom the crime reporter was seen as the perpetrator of the murder of an elderly couple in 1997 at large. In the last broadcast of the program displays its current series of The Sunday Vries also images of the police interrogation of Joran after the infamous broadcast of De Vries.


Peter R. de Vries Joran van der Sloot is still not forgotten. The crime reporter was in the fall for the lure of Joran, who have been implicated in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, but an Emmy Award, but Joran is still at large! In the last broadcast of the current set of his program displays images of De Vries now the police interrogation of Joran after the infamous broadcast of De Vries

According to De Vries are again unique images we get to see Sunday. Joran not disappear behind bars after the broadcast of De Vries, a man whom the crime reporter was seen as the perpetrator of the murder of an elderly couple in 1997 is again at large.

The man came forward to police Sunday after Peter R. de Vries in his TV program, attention was given to twelve years old murder case and suggested that the man of the hat and the edge would know ..

On knives that were used in the murder, new techniques were found DNA traces. Research shows that the DNA of the man who reported to the police, does not match the traces found. He is no longer suspect.

It concerns the murder in 1997 on the 79-year-old Henk Opentij and his 73-year-old neighbor and friend Mary Run well. They were killed in the home of Henk, at north latitude in North Amsterdam.

They were repeatedly stabbed with knives and had their throats cut.



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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 04:34:46 PM
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Rick Zeolla Bids Farewell To Aruba Marriott

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Continuing With Marriott In Cairo, Egypt After Serving 6 Years In Aruba

The Aruba Marriott properties held a farewell party in the Grand Ballroom, thanking their Vice President and General Manager of 6 years, Richard S. Zeolla for his guidance and support. On December 7th, Zeolla’s 24-year Marriott career continued in Cairo, Egypt where he will take the position of General Manager of the Cairo Marriott Hotel and Omar Khayyam Casino, the largest hotel in Marriott’s International hotel portfolio.

In his most recent role Zeolla was responsible for the operations of four different business units under the Marriott flag: Stellaris Casino, the Aruba Marriott Resort and both Aruba MVCI properties- Ocean Club and Surf Club. A rare find within the Marriott, this unique complex encompasses 24 acres, with over 1,600 rooms, and employs over 1,200 associates.

Zeolla’s major accomplishments in Aruba included the 2004 opening of an 11,000 sq. ft. grand ballroom; expansion of the Stellaris Casino into the largest gaming facility on the island; a 2-year $50 million overhaul to the Resort, re-positioning this beachfront property into the Aruba playground for all generations and the opening of a 3-building, 900-room MVCI property: Marriott’s Aruba Surf Club.

Zeolla started at the Aruba Marriott in the summer of 2003. Prior to that he was the first General Manager of the Bucharest Marriott Grand Hotel, which opened its doors in 2000. During his tenure in Bucharest, he received the “Leadership Award 2002” as well as the award for Special “General Manager of the Year” due to his active role in the community.

Zeolla’s successful career with Marriott began at the Oklahoma City Marriott Hotel in 1985. Subsequently, he held various positions in the Finance discipline in the United States, Bermuda, and Europe before his promotion to Resident Manager of the Warsaw Marriott Hotel in 1999.
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino boasts 411 fully renovated guestrooms – the most spacious on the island – each with large, private balconies overlooking the sparkling waters of the Caribbean Sea. On property, seven restaurants and cafes provide fare from light to elegant, while the largest casino in Aruba, a 6,500 square-foot spa, free-form swimming pool with cascading waterfalls and high-energy health club offer entertaining diversions. To obtain more information call the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino at 888-PARADISE or visit www.arubamarriott.com.

Rick Zeolla, Top
Below left to right: With Surf Club GM Scott Derrickson, Rick and family, Ocean Club GM Corey Guest, Long-time assistant Verna Dijkhoff



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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 04:42:55 PM
Interesting that the Zeolla's daughter, Olivia is not pictured with them.  She's a senior this year at the International School and from my observations parties quite often with Valentijn and his friend Maki on the Tattoo and elsewhere.



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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 05:07:30 PM
Interesting that the Zeolla's daughter, Olivia is not pictured with them.  She's a senior this year at the International School and from my observations parties quite often with Valentijn and his friend Maki on the Tattoo and elsewhere.



http://news.visitaruba.com/news/rick-zeolla-bids-farewell-to-aruba-marriott-continuing-with-marriott-in-cairo-egypt-after-serving-6-years-in-aruba

From another article:

She was there, just wasn't in the picture with the rest of the family.

(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=5842)


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Post by: texasmom on December 12, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
http://news.visitaruba.com/news/rick-zeolla-bids-farewell-to-aruba-marriott-continuing-with-marriott-in-cairo-egypt-after-serving-6-years-in-aruba

More pictures from the going away party for the Zeolla's:

(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=5834)

(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=5848)

Saying goodbye

(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=5844)

Nicholas and Rick Zeolla watching a funny slide show

(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=5840)

long time assitant Verna Dijkhoff thanked by Rick

(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=5852)

the Zeolla family




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 12, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
I wouldn't mess with "Mrs." Zeolla!   ::MonkeyEek::


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Post by: hotping on December 12, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
I wouldn't mess with "Mrs." Zeolla!   ::MonkeyEek::
Me neither...She looks quite manly to say the least.....  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 12, 2009, 09:24:55 PM
DH's relatives were scheduled to return today.  They stayed at the Marriott this past week.  Not sure they'd be aware of any celebration for Zeolla.  I will have to wait to see what kind of trip report they have, if any. 

Klaas gave me some boots and gloves/mittens.  Seems Bearlyhere was worried about me and maybe she was right.  Maybe I wouldn't have had that upper respiratory thingy if I was dressed properly for the weather. 

 ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::ElfMonkey::


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Post by: Kermit on December 12, 2009, 11:04:04 PM
WE BELIEVE AFTER JORAN WAS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB - BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN PM THAT JORAN WENT TO THE BIRD SANCTUARY WITH THE BAG, WEIGHTED IT DOWN, AND PUT THE BAG THAT HAD ANY EVIDENCE IN IT IN THE SANCTUARY, AND THEN HAD TO BE BACK TO THE RACQUET CLUB BY SEVEN. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF TWO FACTORS: 1) JORAN TOOK A BAG TO THE RACQUET CLUB AND TALKED WITH KOEN, PAULUS STATES HE BROUGHT JORAN'S BAG TO HIM AT 8 PM. HOW CAN THAT BE IF JORAN ALREADY HAD HIS BAG WITH HIM? BECAUSE HE USED ONE BAG TO TAKE THE EVIDENCE TO THE BIRD SANCUTARY WHILE CALLING PAULUS AT 7 PM AND THEN PAULUS ARRIVES AND DELIVERS THE 2ND BAG WHICH JORAN JUST HAPPENS TO LEAVE BEHIND THE BAR AT THE RACQUET CLUB WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE IT IS HIS BAG RATHER THEN PUT IT INSIDE HIS LOCKER.2) JORAN TALKED TO DEEPAK ON THE PHONE AND WHEN DEEPAK CALLS HE TELLS HIM HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM TO COVER IF ANYONE HAS SEEN HIM IN THAT AREA - KNOWING THAT THE CELL PHONE CALL CAN BE TRACED.

THE BIRD SANCTUARY IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL... he then left the racquet club and they took the boat out and dispose of the cage with Natalee in it




On that same trip (September), my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island bird sanctuary. This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched. It is 20 acres of waist high stagnant water with lily pads, which we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalie. We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water. Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious. Climbing up the bank on the grass was very difficult. Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pounds, they could not have gone very far. We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in. We knew we needed more help to clear this area. I remember hearing that Joran has lost his sneakers near McDonald's, which is right next door to the
sanctuary. I almost lost my own shoes walking through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be in there.
When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car to put them on the seats to sit on. We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes. We had to wash them them twice to get the smell out. (Dave Holloway page 57 -- )


When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open. Joran approac h ed the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .


6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN AND JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO
-this is the same time Joran said he was playing tennis, which he has admitted he wasn' t doing

why did he need to include this, that says he was somewhere in that area?


I had called Joran at approximately 18.00 hours. I just asked him how he was. Joran was at that moment in time together with a friend of us named Guido in the casino at “Wyndham”.(DEEPAK statment 6-11-05)

At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school. )
I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido
(DEEPAK statement 6-13-05)
 

IN JORANS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).

 
JOHN Q KELLY SAYS JORAN AND GUIDO WEAVER WERE TOGETHER FROM 7:00 - 2:00 AM


NOTE THAT THE FIRST PLACE KELLY MENTIONS IS THE WYNDHAM...
ANDRE STATED JORAN DID NOT GET THERE UNTIL 8:30

KELLY: For the life of me, I don't know, Greta. You know, this is someone who, the evening of the morning Natalee disappeared, he was with Joran the entire evening, you know, there  at the Windham Hotel, the Aruba Grand, then over at the Radisson from, you know, 7:00 in the evening until 2:00 the next morning, they were out in his car and doing different things. And he certainly should have at least been a person of interest that they should have nailed down all the questions that they wanted to ask him back the beginning of June.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196661,00.html



Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.


JORAN ISN'T SURE WHAT HE PUT ON THAT DAY. HE WAS WEARING A SHORT TROUSERS AND A T-SHIRT.

He said it looked pretty nice/proper and that he wore slippers-you can only assume from this is this is what he put on after he left the racquet club because he says he took his tennis shoes off and left them in the bag and took a pair of slippers from the bag---------- why would he carry around a pair of slippers/flip-flops in a tennis bag ?


Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finished showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers
snip
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those

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HE HAD TO BE BACK AT THE RACQUET CLUB BY 7:15, HE MADE SOME CALLS THAT WOULD BE ON THE PHONE RECORDS

ANDRE AGREES TO MEET HIM AT 8:00 AT THE WYNDHAM

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. Then I called "Andre". We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. (Joran statment 6-14-05)

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time
JVDS 6-14



JORAN SAYS HE LEAVES HIS GYM BAG AT THE RACQUET CLUB BEHIND THE BAR

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel[/color]. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those (Joran van der Sloot 6-14-05)



 WE KNOW THERE WAS A 2:28 MINUTE PHONE CALL MADE AT 7:25 FROM JURAN TO DEEPAK,AND THIS CALL WE BELIEVE, WAS MADE FROM THE WATER
 

On Sunday 3 July 2005, I, Jan van der Straten, Commission of Police Force performed at the korps police force Aruba with the technical appliances measuring on cell-id’s on the towers of Setar in the area between Racquet Club on Aruba and the Wyndham.
From available information it has become clear that on May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot.
According to cell-id in the records this information was transmitted on mast 9181 (Casa del Mar/Eagle and after 2.28 minutes on the mast 9123 (Hadishibana – Lighthouse).
From the declarations of Joran van der Sloot he claims that he was however in the opposite direction, namely driving from the Racquet-club by means of the Marriott Hotel towards the Radisson/Wyndham
(((NOTE:- this is what made me think he was on the water when this call was made,, everything else has him walking,,,,,,,, so how could he have been driving ?? Was riding in a moving boat !!))
Looking at to the resulaten of measurings, it is therefore possible that suspect Joran van der Sloot reversed possibly and nevertheless drove by the Marriott to Wyndham and, cell-id's were registered.
This statement made by me on office promise on 7 July 2005 on Aruba
Commissioner of Police,
Jan van der Straten
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=191.0
_________________
JORAN SAYS WHILE WALKING TOWARD THE WYNDHAM, HE WALKS TOWARD THE MARRIOTT TO SEE IF HE CAN FIND HIS SHOES

he says he walked in the direction of the Salija, he walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop he and Natalee off....... at the beach of the Mariott he tried to find his shoes

From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marrio t I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. (Joran van der Sloot statment 6-14-05)

8:00 PM JORAN SAYS HE LEAVES THE ARUBA GRAND AND STARTS WALKING TO THE WYNDHAM AGAIN
[color=blue NOTE: that this is the same time Paulus says he dropped the bag off to Juran while it was walking to the Wyndham Hotel[/color]
She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm. I immediately walked to the Wyndham Hotel & Casino. At the Wyndham Hotel I walked in through the beach entrance and walked to the casino. (Joran van der Sloot statement 6-13-05)

AT APPROXIMATELY 7:00 JORAN SAYS HE THEN CALLED PAULUS TO ASK PERMISSION TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM TO GAMBLE
 
Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finished showering I got dressed. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission. (Joran van der Sloot statment 6-14-05)

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED THE BAG OFF TO JORAN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK WHILE JORAN WAS WALKING TO THE WYNDHAM

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Racquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Racquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. (Paulus van der Sloot statment 6-25-05)

ANDRE SAYS JORAN ARRIVED AT THE WYNDHAM AT 8:30

 I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there. Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel(June 20, 2005 - Andre Dos Santos)



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 12, 2009, 11:06:39 PM
In simpler terms. See the times, how Joran arrives at the Racquet Club with his bag, doesn't have a tennis lesson, talks to Koen. Takes off with the bag to the Bird Sancutuary and dumps the bag, gets a call from Deepak and says he is at the Wyndham to cover if anyone saw him in that area.

Joran hikes it back to the Racquet Club by 7 pm and makes the call to Paulus then to Guido and Paulus arrives by 8 pm he states and delivers a bag to Joran. Joran puts that bag behind the bar rather then put it inside a locker because he is trying to have an alibi he was at the Racquet club - hoping someone sees the bag and will identify it is Joran's bag and therefore he has an alibi he was there,  when really he was off dumping evidence. He leaves in his sandals.





2:45 - On Monday, May 30th 2005, I did not talk to anyone at school about having left behind Natalee. Approximately 14.45 pm, I got back onto the school bus to be driven home

4:00 - I arrived at home at approximately 16.00 pm. It is possible that I called someone or that someone called me. It is also possible that I sent or received messages. I am sure Satish didn't and Deepak it is possible. If I had talked to Deepak then I would have asked him what he had been doing that day or what he was going to do

4:00-5:00 - Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I had done my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted to Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that.

5:00 - At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club

5:00-6:00 - Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there

6:00-7:00 - My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself

Art Wood - "But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63342

Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham a nd that he wa s there together with our friend Guido
DEEPAK 6-1 3

7:00 - Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis.

7:15 - At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone.

7:45 - 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino.



8:00 - She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm. I immediately walked to the Wyndham Hotel & Casino


8:15 - The tournament started at 20.15 pm.
1. - I was at a table with ten (10) people. At the beginning of the game everyone had to give their registration receipt to the "Dealer". Thirty (30) minutes later I had lost.

8:45 - I then went to play black jack for about 15 minutes

9:00 - I went back to the poker game to play again. The second time I played poker I was in the game for about 1 hour. After an hour I had gone out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 12, 2009, 11:08:39 PM
PART 2


Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007
Reply #563 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:49 AM bleachedblack
Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins. Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=818.msg115420#msg115420


DAVE WENT BACK TO ARUBA OCTOBER 2005 BASED UPON A TIP TO SEARCH THE OCEAN - WHO WAS THE LEAK?
 

FOLLOW THE DATES

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
des cription: witness statement



"I left for Aruba again early on October 18, 2005. Tim Miller and his searchers came along, as did Art Wood.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 166)




KOEN IS AT THE RACQUET CLUB WITH JORAN
IN HIS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
(Source: Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - p. 9)


We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalie and that they either left her at the boat launch or at the lighthouse. From there, they supposedly went to a field
area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move. According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fisherman huts to get a steel cage
to put Natalie into; they then used the boat to carry her about two to 3 miles out into the ocean and dropped her there. The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.
He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill. In preparation for the search, I met with the Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruban Tourism Association, and some political leaders and arranged to get some boats and hotel rooms.
Thankfully, we were able to get people onto flights, and once they arrived we began the process of searching.

Starting from the area in front of the hotel, we plan to search up to 5 miles out into the ocean.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 167-168)


Slowly more evidence was coming to light. We heard more about the cage that was stolen from the fisherman huts. On the night after Natalie disappeared, three out of four fishermans huts on the beach near where she and Joran allegedly went were burglarized. Missing from one of the huts was a knife and a cage used to trap fish. Supposedly the fishermen forgot until much later to report the incident. He finally called it in but was not contacted back. Apparently the cage was made of wire and had an opening at one end were the fish enter and cannot get back out. It was usually weighted and baited and put in the water with a buoy to mark its location. It was big enough to hold the human body,
and the theory is that Natalie was put in there and taken out to sea. In an e-mail I had received, someone discussing the cages stated that a lock was broken, and the net was used to dump Natalie 2 miles offshore.
(Source: Dave Holloway pages 76-77)



August 30 Koen gives a statement (one of 4)


October - Dave goes back to Aruba to search the ocean based on a tip he received in an email.

subajap - begins posting lies that Natalee ran off with Blue-eyed Dutch boy, Lions Den is baloney, etc. etc.

Dompig tells Dave and Tim to search in ocean off the lighthouse area!
NOT WHERE WE KNOW THAT NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN IN OUR FACES OF EVIL DOCUMENT.

Now that is known that Dave has received this information from
Koens interview on the 30th, Koen's father does not let him be interviewed again after that..........

They sell the boat, they sell their house, and they leave the island and move to GA. Sander enrolls in school. I know from having an old photo of Sander that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the background of that photo and it seemed like it was in the U.S. by the houses and cars and not in Aruba. That told me that the family either had lived in the U.S. at one time or vacationed in the U.S. and/or had family here. It makes sense that they left Aruba and came to the U.S.

Dave left Aruba with Tim Miller having not searched the right area and with a lot of opposition from Dompig who would not allow FBI to come in and search.


in his book Joran seems to forget
the places he stopped to occupy that time
that he needed an excuse for his being out in the boat



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
Thanks Kermit! ::HelloKitty::

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on. ::MonkeyGavel:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 12:31:03 AM
Thanks Kermit! ::HelloKitty::

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on. ::MonkeyGavel:: ::ElfMonkey::

Except I think the cage was already in the ocean and they just took Natalee down to it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 12:33:27 AM
Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 13, 2009, 12:48:11 AM
It's very sad to read those statements and timelines!Those P.O.S that aided and abetted J2k & Paulus will have their judgement day coming!God Bless those who are continuing to sharpen their shovels and continue digging. ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 13, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 01:10:29 AM
Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

I remember years ago seeing what the sweepers look like.  I'm looking to see if I can find it again.  In the mean time found my own image googling Aruba sand sweepers, lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 01:27:00 AM
Magnolia - this photo was uploaded to Webshots in 2002 with the title of "AM beach clean-up with the ol' John Deere...gideeeup"

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1039864855035788259sBDxgb

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/BeachCleanup2002.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

I remember years ago seeing what the sweepers look like.  I'm looking to see if I can find it again.  In the mean time found my own image googling Aruba sand sweepers, lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

I remember that screw Aruba one. ::ElfMonkey::  I have googled  and googled.....haven't found a thing.
I know when I was young and went to the beach every day, we knew to get anything off the beach by 10:00PM
or it woud be gone by morning, due to the sweepers.  I think they have those at most tourist beaches, but
TM thinks the tradewinds might do the cleaning.   Just thinking about the shoes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 01:32:35 AM
Magnolia - this photo was uploaded to Webshots in 2002 with the title of "AM beach clean-up with the ol' John Deere...gideeeup"

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1039864855035788259sBDxgb

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/BeachCleanup2002.jpg)

Thanks Klaas...exactly what I was thinking of.  Then the sand is all squeeky in the morning.
If Joran left those shoes at the beach, the sweeper would have gotten them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 13, 2009, 01:57:53 AM
North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 13, 2009, 02:01:59 AM
North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

Men's Tennis:  YHC Wins Two Consolation Crowns, Advances To Two Championship Matches at CACC Invitational

Alexander City, Ala. -- Two weeks after taking Alexander City, Ala., by storm at the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Southeastern Regional, Young Harris College's men's team went back to Alexander City for the Central Alabama Invitational October 9-11.  The return trip was almost impressive as the first.

The Mountain Lions saw Jordan Brannon win the Flight Two Singles Consolation title and Mitchell Midkiff and Koen Gottenbos claim the Flight One Doubles Consolation title, while Laurenz Schraepen advanced to the final match of the Flight One Championship bracket and the doubles team of Jordan Johnson and Matt Howard played for the Flight Two doubles championship.

http://www.yhc.edu/athletics/men's-tennis/men's-tennis-cacc-invitational-results.aspx


Looks like this is where Koen is at?????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 02:05:17 AM
Rick Zeolla the General Manager at the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris
“then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family (Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/24/05)
* Zeolla's wife is a member of IFA
* Mark Purcell (MIP6 worked at Marriott hotel)
* Joran and his friends stayed at Marriott hotel (picture with belt around boys neck
* Valenjtin also partyed at Marriott hotel with his friend Jimmy Rock (his father was the manager who left shortly after Natalee disappeared and he went to Mexico)
* Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel
Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search of the girl. Paulus VDS Witness Statement 06/18/05
*


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 02:12:08 AM
Marriott General Manager - Rick Zeolla (is also on the AHATA board
as treasurer)


Board of Directors Meeting HOTELS IN ARUBA:
Directors:
Alfred Thompson, CARIMAR BEACH CLUB, Anguilla
Robert Sherman, CURTAIN BLUFF RESORT, Antigua – and Chairman for Caribbean Hotel Foundation
Astrid Muller, DIVI ARUBA PHOENIX BEACH RESORT, Aruba
Edgar Roelofs, MANCHEBO BEACH RESORT & SPA, Aruba
Rob Smith, WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT & CASINO, Aruba
Rick Zeolla, ARUBA MARRIOTT RESORT & STELLARIS CASINO, Aruba
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:FFPVJkLq3WYJ:www.caribbeanhotels.org/DOCSclosed/Minutes/BODMinutes0605.pdf+Richard+Zeolla+Aruba&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&


October 11th 2004,

On Thursday morning the Prime Minister received a delegation
of Marriott Corp. The delegation consisted out of the President
of Marriott International Ed Fuller, Area Vice President
Caribbean & South America Manuel Ovies, Director of Human
Resources Corey Guest and General Manager of Aruba Marriott
Resort & Casino Richard Zeolla.

The visit of the delegation is related to the good cooperation between Marriott Corp and the government. Marriott has ongoing projects on the island that include the
construction of the Marriott Surf Club and the construction of a new conference center. Marriott Corp has 4 properties on the island, the Marriott Surf Club presently under
construction, Aruba Marriott Ocean Club, Aruba Marriott Resort & Casino and the Renaissance Resort & Casino.

The Prime Minister thanked the delegation for the visit and wished Marriott success with their future projects.
http://www.cyberdistrict.net/eddy/1836.htm


1998 - General Manger of Marriott Hotel was Scott Ringer
2005 - Genreal Manager of Marriott Hotel is Richard Zeolla
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=602&PHPSESSID=f76d3378238f33ee2c7d4092f4000c9c


 Pesquera, President & CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Touism Association introcued
the 2007 board of trustees for the association.
 Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, Chairman. Board officers include
Alex Nieuwmeyer, Divi Mega Resorts, 1st Vice Chair; Warren Stanley, Atlantis Adventures,
2nd Vice Chair; Rick Zeolla, Marriott Resorts, Treasurer and Lisettte Malmberg, de Palm
Tours, Secretary.

 Officers of the board include Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance;
David Smith, Valero Refinery; Bill Carson, CMB Carribean Mercantile Bank;
Guillermo Valencia, Holiday Inn Sunspree; Gary Jutz, Raddisson Aruba Resort & Casino; Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Rob Smith, Aruba Westin Resort & Casablanca Casino and Peter Steinmetz, AAA, Aruba Airport Authority.
Jorge
http://www.arubatoday.com/newspaper/April/AT-2-4-07.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 02:13:13 AM
Thanks Kermit! ::HelloKitty::

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on. ::MonkeyGavel:: ::ElfMonkey::

Thank you. Credit goes to rjdeer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Strikin Nerves ehhhh Kermit! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:17:17 AM
Thanks Kermit! ::HelloKitty::

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on. ::MonkeyGavel:: ::ElfMonkey::

Thank you. Credit goes to rjdeer.


Thanks to both of you!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 13, 2009, 02:18:54 AM
North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

Men's Tennis:  YHC Wins Two Consolation Crowns, Advances To Two Championship Matches at CACC Invitational

Alexander City, Ala. -- Two weeks after taking Alexander City, Ala., by storm at the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Southeastern Regional, Young Harris College's men's team went back to Alexander City for the Central Alabama Invitational October 9-11.  The return trip was almost impressive as the first.

The Mountain Lions saw Jordan Brannon win the Flight Two Singles Consolation title and Mitchell Midkiff and Koen Gottenbos claim the Flight One Doubles Consolation title, while Laurenz Schraepen advanced to the final match of the Flight One Championship bracket and the doubles team of Jordan Johnson and Matt Howard played for the Flight Two doubles championship.

http://www.yhc.edu/athletics/men's-tennis/men's-tennis-cacc-invitational-results.aspx


Looks like this is where Koen is at?????????????????
Georgia, Georgia
The whole day through (the whole day through)
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind)
I said a Georgia, Georgia


Georgia's been on my mind...... ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 02:23:44 AM
WHAT THEY DID WITH NATALEE

According to Carlos,[Cumpa] while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
)VANITY FAIR ARTICLE)

Paulus took Joran to the Polis station after he picked him up from school.
Well, he didn't go to the Noord Polis station that he went to when Beth arrived at their home the first time. Instead he went to the Bulbai.
WHY go there when the Noord polis station is closer and he was there the night before?

Just so happend the Bulbai Polis station is next to the Wyndham Hotel.
There is some golf range on the other side.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/141418495_37ec47d4a0.jpg)


(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8365/birdsanctuaryog1.jpg)
The Bubali Bird Sanctuary lies only ~5km north of Oranjestad on the west coast of Aruba. Highway 1 runs along the sanctuary`s east side, a windmill (actually shipped from Holland) is on the north side, and the massive Wyndham Aruba is across the street from the northwest corner. There are several spots to check at Bubali. Going N from Oranjestad, you`ll encounter a roundabout, with the right hand (eastward) road marked to Paradera. Continue straight (north) to the first light. Turn left here, and a small sewage pond (Yes!) will be quickly visible on your right.
http://www.fatbirder.com/links_geo/america_central/dutch_antilles.html


At approximately 17.00 pm,I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club.
KEEP IN MIND THE RACQUET CLUB IS THAT CLOSE TO THIS AREA.See the hotels
in the background of the tennis court.
(http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4300/image108ao5.jpg)


You could easily lose a shoe in the mud around the area.
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6993/image109xm2.jpg)
LOOK at the hotels in the background of this picture which is the playground by the Racquet Club

 "The lily pads were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area mus more tedious." (Dave Holloway book)

WE BELIEVE AFTER JORAN WAS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB - BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN PM THAT JORAN WENT TO THE BIRD SANCTUARY WITH THE BAG, WEIGHTED IT DOWN, AND PUT THE BAG THAT HAD ANY EVIDENCE IN IT IN THE SANCTUARY, AND THEN HAD TO BE BACK TO THE RACQUET CLUB BY SEVEN. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF TWO FACTORS:

1) JORAN TOOK A BAG TO THE RACQUET CLUB AND TALKED WITH KOEN, PAULUS STATES HE BROUGHT JORAN'S BAG TO HIM AT 8 PM. HOW CAN THAT BE IF JORAN ALREADY HAD HIS BAG WITH HIM? BECAUSE HE USED ONE BAG TO TAKE THE EVIDENCE TO THE BIRD SANCUTARY WHILE CALLING PAULUS AT 7 PM AND THEN PAULUS ARRIVES AND DELIVERS THE 2ND BAG WHICH JORAN JUST HAPPENS TO LEAVE BEHIND THE BAR AT THE RACQUET CLUB WHERE EVERYONE CAN SEE IT IS HIS BAG RATHER THEN PUT IT INSIDE HIS LOCKER

.2) JORAN TALKED TO DEEPAK ON THE PHONE AND WHEN DEEPAK CALLS HE TELLS HIM HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM TO COVER IF ANYONE HAS SEEN HIM IN THAT AREA - KNOWING THAT THE CELL PHONE CALL CAN BE TRACED.

THE BIRD SANCTUARY IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL... he then left the racquet club and they took the boat out to dispose of  Natalee in it




On that same trip (September), my father-in-law, Melvin Parten, accompanied me at 5:30 a.m. to the island bird sanctuary. This was where it had been reported that the cadaver dogs had some hits, but it was unclear whether it had been thoroughly searched. It is 20 acres of waist high stagnant water with lily pads, which we walked through for over three hours looking for clues about Natalie. We did not realize that the water would be so deep and that the roots of the lily pads would obstruct our efforts to cross or search the water. Not only would the lily pads obstruct our search, but we also realized that they were strong enough to hold a body down, which made searching the area much more tedious. Climbing up the bank on the grass was very difficult. Our attempts to go through the grass were almost impossible, and we felt that if someone were carrying 105 pounds, they could not have gone very far. We waded around for over three hours until the fatigue and heat set in. We knew we needed more help to clear this area. I remember hearing that Joran has lost his sneakers near McDonald's, which is right next door to the
sanctuary. I almost lost my own shoes walking through the mud, so I believe that Joran's sneakers may be in there.
When my father-in-law and I were finished searching, the stench on us was so bad that we had to take the floor mats from the car to put them on the seats to sit on. We drove straight to the ocean and jumped in to clean the sewage off before going back to wash our clothes. We had to wash them them twice to get the smell out. (Dave Holloway page 57 -- )


When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open. Joran approac h ed the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .


6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN AND JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO
-this is the same time Joran said he was playing tennis, which he has admitted he wasn' t doing

why did he need to include this, that says he was somewhere in that area?






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 02:37:07 AM
It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:44:54 AM
It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 13, 2009, 02:49:54 AM
Thanks for setting the stage Kermit...
Bring it on Peter.....
urine/paulasa/k2/guido are sooo guilty....
Please prove it Peter.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 13, 2009, 02:54:23 AM
Like to see Peter address the cover up crew too....
At the end of the day...there isn't anything decent that can be said about the island inhabitants...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 13, 2009, 02:58:18 AM
Some evidence had to be in the landfill early on...Dave/friends and Red weren't there for nothing...the way they were stonewalled by aruba ale and then having everything covered up when they got close...just doesn't add up...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 13, 2009, 02:59:19 AM
Kermit? I'm so sorry! I stopped by and saw you in your Halloween outfit and took off to get your Christmas avi. I'm back and see you've already changed. I wouldn't leave you out for anything! I'll leave it for you, just in case you want it!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Merry Christmas, Kermie!   ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 13, 2009, 03:05:57 AM
North Georgia 7, Young Harris 2
Sept. 29, 2009 at Dahlonega, GA (NGCSU Tennis Complex)
Singles competition 
1. Luciano Paes Neto (NGCSU) def. Laurenz Schraepen (YH) 0-6, 6-3, 7-6 (11-9) 
2. Daniel Aguilon (NGCSU) def. Jordan Johnson (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
3. Adrien Saulais (NGCSU) def. Mitchell Midkiff (YH) 6-3, 6-1 
4. Brandon Sloan (NGCSU) def. Jamie Childree (YH) 7-6 (10-8), 6-4 
5. Parker LaSure (NGCSU) def. Koen Gottenbos (YH) 6-1, 6-0 
6. Matt Howard (YH) def. Adam Kersh (NGCSU) 7-5, 6-4 


http://www.saintssports.com/sports/mten/2009-10/news/yh1001

Men's Tennis:  YHC Wins Two Consolation Crowns, Advances To Two Championship Matches at CACC Invitational

Alexander City, Ala. -- Two weeks after taking Alexander City, Ala., by storm at the Intercollegiate Tennis Association's Southeastern Regional, Young Harris College's men's team went back to Alexander City for the Central Alabama Invitational October 9-11.  The return trip was almost impressive as the first.

The Mountain Lions saw Jordan Brannon win the Flight Two Singles Consolation title and Mitchell Midkiff and Koen Gottenbos claim the Flight One Doubles Consolation title, while Laurenz Schraepen advanced to the final match of the Flight One Championship bracket and the doubles team of Jordan Johnson and Matt Howard played for the Flight Two doubles championship.

http://www.yhc.edu/athletics/men's-tennis/men's-tennis-cacc-invitational-results.aspx


Looks like this is where Koen is at?????????????????
Georgia, Georgia
The whole day through (the whole day through)
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind)
I said a Georgia, Georgia


Georgia's been on my mind...... ::MonkeyShovel::
I'm hoping Georgia is on the FBI's mind also.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 13, 2009, 03:11:42 AM
guido and koen left the island like a ghost was chasing them...there were involved big time in the disposal...at least...
I still don't rule out a gang rape led by urine..and possibly paulass and his peers....
still not convinced that paulass wasn't the ringleader....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 13, 2009, 03:14:50 AM
Just catching up ------- but, I am just right along Kermit. It is just so right there.  ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 03:19:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 13, 2009, 03:41:58 AM
Does anybody know if Aruba uses a Zamboni type sand sweeper to clean the beach at night?

I remember years ago seeing what the sweepers look like.  I'm looking to see if I can find it again.  In the mean time found my own image googling Aruba sand sweepers, lol  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScrewAruba.jpg)

What an interesting vacuum.

 ::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 13, 2009, 03:45:16 AM
Those Scorpios are a handsome lot (I'm told).  ::MonkeyCool::

Is that what you are wreck? ::ElfMonkey::
Halloween Eve  ::MonkeyShovel::

I notice the resemblance!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


(I don't think this is my "good" side)



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 12:25:52 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/12132009_PeterDeVriesShowOnSBS6.jpg)

Google translation:

Peter R. de Vries, Crime Reporter
Unique images of the police interrogation of Joran


http://www.youtube.com/v/-28Q2BXNvWQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: 

texasmom

This interrogation Peter de Vries is airing. Do you know if it is the one when Hans Mos had him re-arrested and brought back to Aruba? Because I noticed Joran is wearing a hat and jacket which indicates it's cold. As I recall in 2005, his arrest and interrogations the weather was very hot.

(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6426/joraninterrogationpeter.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 01:10:58 PM
12/9/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12092009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

because; cu his cliente owing to stay condena once more advocate mr. edwin duijneveld owing to cuestiona imparcialidad of ministerio publico y is achieve cu have husticia of clase at aruba

in name of his cliente sr. chris williams, we owing to achieve one declaracion enough pisa of part of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, that even owing to cuestiona imparcialidad of ministerio publico. t’asina cu yesterday once more owing to wordo comproba cu not have husticia at we island. despite cu have declaracionan cu not chris williams, but one another person owing to throw day 6 of july 2006 at eagle beach, despite cu not have none proof clave cu chris williams owing to throw corte superior owing to confirma the sentencia of corte of first instancia y is condena williams for 3 year y 6 month, según advocate mr. edwin duijneveld.

chris williams is mantene cu the is inocente y cu one another person owing to throw. p’e motibo ey the is bay in cassatie.

all the investigacion cu owing to wordo haci or mihor tell not haci is one berguensa for we sistema hudicial y is confirma once more cu have klasse justitie keto bay at aruba y cu we organonan hudicial is much putrefy.

in the caso here agentenan policial is haci declaracionan false, is falsifica declaracionnan, but ministerio publico is close eye y is try of place all cos in doofpot.

till today not did take none medida contra this y is good ask about ministerio publico till what day they're bay permiti this. p’e motibo here his cliente will cuminsa entrega kehonan at corte superior for exigi persecusion hudicial as have to is.

because; advocate, mr. edwin duijneveld is tell cu the is compronde his cliente 100%, we all is corda con the agent policial the.v.a. maduro owing to wordo persigi by of ministerio publico cu is in hand of politica, but at end husticia owing to conquer y the is wordo declara pound by of corte superior.

aworaki have the conocido wakata more cu 3 month inocentemente close, because agentenan policial owing to work proces-verbal of testigonan cu now is leave at cla cu they not owing to declara this, según advocate mr. edwin duijneveld. despite of this minisetrio publico is haci todo can todo for achieve proof contra dje, immidiately for they tapa one damage more. (nota of red: diabierne now the caso of wakata is come in corte penal, but pro-forma).

in demasiado caso during interogacionan by of huez comisario is leave at cla cu the proces-verbalnan of police do not cuadra cu locual owing to wordo declara.

till what day ministerio publico is sigi tapa y acepta cosnan so. in casonan cu if have to actua for one or another motibo do not happen nothing. a of douane is wordo agredi at aeropuerto, because the is haci his trabao, but till today none accion is wordo take by of ministerio publico contra the person cu owing to haci’e so kitando the feel of is protehi in they trabao of douane. one madam is wordo ataca/agredi more cu 6 trip by of his ex-casa, but till today none accion of ministerio publico. can is hour the madam is die they will haci caso of dje. chris williams is bay in cassatie y probably hour the result tey, past owing to leave end, but the will sigi fight for achieve husticia.

“ami will sigi stop near of dje, cu the dolor cu my know the is inocente, because esun cu owing to throw owing to confesa this at my person y 2 advocate more, but because we is mara at reglanan of we trabao we not can declara”, was words of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, cu as we can see, owing to cuestiona ministerio publico seriamente.

ministerio publico

relaciona cu the declaracion recibi here, we of awemainta did take contacto cu ministerio publico, but the reaccion cu we owing to achieve is, cu can will soon will not reacciona on declaracionnan of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld y is lagu’e for his responsabilidad.


12/9/2009 Bondia Page 4

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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12/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

in they declaracion tocante freedom of wakata ministerio publico is sigi troce berdad y place the cara of husticia at aruba at berguensa according advocate mr. edwin duijneveld

because; advocate of edsel “wakata” ras, edwin duijneveld is tell of did take notice of the comunicado of prensa of the ministerio publico tocante the decision of huez for let his cliente in freedom for miss of sufficient proof contra his person.

the is incredibel con the organo cu supuestamente have to is imparcial y busca berdad is try of hustifica trabaonan regrettable y manipulacionnan of near of the team of investigacion cu they, om, is lidera.

in they declaracion without none hustificacion they're let know cu wakata t’esun cu owing to throw. is good cu have hueznan cu if know kico is husticia y cu is stop the hendenan here. is tristo cu husticia is in hand of hendenan cu is think cu they're husticia y they can haci y deshaci con they're haci good, advocate edwin duijneveld is follow tell in one comunicado.

berdad is cu anteriormente hof owing to rechasa the demanda for let wakata in freedom. but pakico? esey for motibo cu had one declaracion of one witness cu police owing to place on paper. as the declaracion not was company by of the witness, we owing to ask for listen the witness bao of huramento fast huez-comisario. ey owing to leave at cla cu the witness not owing to declara locual police owing to place on paper come across!!! (pa of tanto biaha).

in the declarcion of police is poni cu wakata was near of the victima, but the witness is declara bao huramento cu never past owing to tell esey. in the declaracion of police is poni cu had none another person in becindario.

bao huramento, the witness is tell had various person in becendario of the incidente. now om is tell cu testigonan is change they declaracion p’asina tapa locual recherche owing to haci.

witness not owing to change none declaracion, past owing to give his declaracion bao huramento cla y raspa. neither fiscal can owing to splica huez dicon neither the version of the book of the recherche owing to klop cu the version cu the self one police owing to place on paper y firm’e because; declaracion of the witness.

the investigacion of restonan of tiramento also owing to leave negative, kiermen not had none indicacion cu wakata owing to throw on his pañanan. the investigacion here owing to tarda more cu 4 month y time cu hof owing to look at the detencion this not was conoci still.

según advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, the is increibel con om is try of hustifica they self by of trece one decision of hof fast just basa on manipulacion of the investigacion y so of the hueznan of corte superior.

p’e maniobranan so person innocente is wordo close, because hueznan have cu take decision basa on locual om is present at they y if abogadonan not can desenmascara or place finger on the cosnan here, person inocente is wordo sentencia. esey t’e motibo also cu his cliente chris williams owing to wordo condena. duijneveld not can compronde con they can sleep night.

yesterday also om owing to ask 60 day more of detencion preventivo for sr. cornelius wilson. cornelius wilson owing to coopera completamente.

cornelius wilson owing to mantene his inocencia. not have nothing concreto of his culpablidad niether. one suspicion cu if owing to declara cu past owing to haci some acto castigabel in the caso here (y pesey assure will achieve one castigo despues) if owing to wordo send cas by of om after of 18 day.

sr. cornelius wilson yesterday was 23 day close end. pesey huez cu all his razon owing to schors the detencion of wilson y owing to lag’e bay cas yesterday also.

door is become time for we minister of husticia new, drs. mr. arthur dowers is cuminsa take the medidanan necesario p’e cosnan here is stop of take lugar y is stop the doofpot-beleid of the ultimo añanan. we have to can confia in we sistema hudicial, if not in comunidad the ley of “wowo for eye, tooth for djente” will bay send bek thanks at they, according mr. edwin duijneveld, advocate of the casonan menciona.

conocido advocate criminalista, gerald spong will present chris williams in corte of casacion

for of some day end, office of advocate duijneveld y mohamed owing to come is negocia cu the conocido advocate criminalista, gerald spong of the netherlands for take the representacion of the caso of chris williams in corte of casacion. as is conoci, corte of first instancia the week here owing to ratifica the sentencia in corte of first, where chris williams owing to stay condena at 3 year y 6 month of jail.

chris williams owing to come is declara c very insistencia cu the is inocente.

advocate mr. gerald spong owing to confirma of will representa chris williams because; advocate in corte of casacion y owing to let know cu the will aserca the griffier of hoge raad for achieve the documentonan necesario.

mr. gerald spong self is believe cu dentro of 4 for 5 month the caso will can have fast in corte of casacion.



http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/05/22/dutch-teenguido-wever-fights-arubas-transfer-request-in-natalee-holloway-case/

http://www.spong.nl/en/mr_g_spong_home_en.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:12:07 PM
Kermit? I'm so sorry! I stopped by and saw you in your Halloween outfit and took off to get your Christmas avi. I'm back and see you've already changed. I wouldn't leave you out for anything! I'll leave it for you, just in case you want it!  ::MonkeyKiss:: Merry Christmas, Kermie!   ::MonkeyWink::

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Thank you Cyber baby.  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
I didn't want to bother you. I know you are always so busy with your tailoring & designing and I feel bad asking you to do just one more.

I'll go change into my new designer outfit by CBB




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
It's Sunday! Peter deVries show today.
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: 

texasmom

This interrogation Peter de Vries is airing. Do you know if it is the one when Hans Mos had him re-arrested and brought back to Aruba? Because I noticed Joran is wearing a hat and jacket which indicates it's cold. As I recall in 2005, his arrest and interrogations the weather was very hot.

(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6426/joraninterrogationpeter.jpg)


Everything I've read indicates that the interrogation video that Peter obtained and will show tonight, took place in February 2008 right after the show where the Patrick/Joran conversations aired.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:14:53 PM
guido and koen left the island like a ghost was chasing them...there were involved big time in the disposal...at least...
I still don't rule out a gang rape led by urine..and possibly paulass and his peers....
still not convinced that paulass wasn't the ringleader....

There's a reason Kalpoes said she hit her head - in case she was found and evidence of a skull fracture or blood was found they would try to alibi it away.

There's a reason the LE took the evidence from the cage. So no forensic's could be done on
the skull.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:20:38 PM
Just catching up ------- but, I am just right along Kermit. It is just so right there.  ::MonkeyJustice::

I agree. It's easy to over-think it and yet, I think it's just simple because as Beth stated there was a short window of time.

The gardener saw them digging. ::MonkeyShovel::
Easy enough to bury something and then go back and retrieve it later.
* Clothing
* wrist bracelets
* CnC cups with traces of drugs
* drivers license
* earrings
* murder weapon
* tennis shoes that perhaps would have traces of dirt/mud which would indicate in forensic's testing where they were at when the crime took place




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:24:00 PM

Everything I've read indicates that the interrogation video that Peter obtained and will show tonight, took place in February 2008 right after the show where the Patrick/Joran conversations aired.

Okay thank you for clearing that up. Muchas gracias & Da nada.
 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:25:01 PM
Hi DAWG
I hope they are giving you some well earned time off from that job of yours.
 ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:26:01 PM
2JMOM,

hope you are on the road to recovery now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 13, 2009, 01:27:58 PM
Thank you KTF for the Georgia tennis information. That is a good find.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 01:34:43 PM

Everything I've read indicates that the interrogation video that Peter obtained and will show tonight, took place in February 2008 right after the show where the Patrick/Joran conversations aired.

Okay thank you for clearing that up. Muchas gracias & Da nada.
 ::CowboySmiley::


You're welcome Kermit!  (I need a translation of "Da nada" though)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

If I'm figuring correctly the show comes on in Holland in TWO HOURS!   ::MonkeyDance::

I betcha Hero Brinkman's going to be watching!   ::MonkeySkate::

I'm not sure how much of the show will be about Joran, I'm just so thankful that Peter will bring something new about him to the viewers...along with the reminder that there STILL has been NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE IN ARUBA!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 02:02:49 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:14:59 PM
De Vries to show new footage of Joran van der Sloot

(In about one and a half hour!)
 
http://tinyurl.com/yakzbz4

 ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 13, 2009, 02:15:59 PM
Thanks Kermit! ::HelloKitty::

That is well put together.  I can see it all happening as I read along.  I think it is right on. ::MonkeyGavel:: ::ElfMonkey::

Thank you. Credit goes to rjdeer.


Well KUDOS! That is really very good!!  ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
Thank you, Robert.  I wish we could see it as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 13, 2009, 02:17:55 PM
Magnolia - this photo was uploaded to Webshots in 2002 with the title of "AM beach clean-up with the ol' John Deere...gideeeup"

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1039864855035788259sBDxgb

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/BeachCleanup2002.jpg)

So is this what they use to clear all the dead bodies of the beaches now??  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
De Vries to show new footage of Joran van der Sloot

(In about one and a half hour!)
 
http://tinyurl.com/yakzbz4

 ::santawink::


Great to see you EURobert!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: 

I hope you'll bring us news of the show!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:20:58 PM
Thank you, Robert.  I wish we could see it as well.

ME TOO!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
Hay there again,

Here's a link to the promo of the show.

http://tinyurl.com/yb9umub

I'll try to make some notes of what's being said tonight.
Maybe the show will be online tomorrow at the SBS6-site or else it'll be on youtube soon I guess.

Greets from the other side of the globe!  ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:30:10 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

He said it in the lobby of a hotel...maybe HI?
Was it to Dave and another person?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:31:20 PM
Hay there again,

Here's a link to the promo of the show.

http://tinyurl.com/yb9umub

I'll try to make some notes of what's being said tonight.
Maybe the show will be online tomorrow at the SBS6-site or else it'll be on youtube soon I guess.

Greets from the other side of the globe!  ::snowmanlaugh::

Thanks EURobert!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

He said it in the lobby of a hotel...maybe HI?
Was it to Dave and another person?


That's how I remember it, Magnolia, said it to Dave when Dave caught him hitting on the tourist girls.  And he was with someone else.  Do you remember who he was with?  I can't but it may come back to me in a bit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 13, 2009, 02:33:49 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::

Howdy!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 02:34:39 PM
Hay there again,

Here's a link to the promo of the show.

http://tinyurl.com/yb9umub

I'll try to make some notes of what's being said tonight.
Maybe the show will be online tomorrow at the SBS6-site or else it'll be on youtube soon I guess.

Greets from the other side of the globe!  ::snowmanlaugh::


Greetings to you, too, EURobert.  I hope you and your family are all doing well this holiday season.

We are very excited by any news about Natalee especially from Peter R de Vries.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:35:59 PM
Hay there again,

Here's a link to the promo of the show.

http://tinyurl.com/yb9umub

I'll try to make some notes of what's being said tonight.
Maybe the show will be online tomorrow at the SBS6-site or else it'll be on youtube soon I guess.

Greets from the other side of the globe!  ::snowmanlaugh::

Thanks EURobert!   ::CowboySmiley::

You're welcome.

The promo doesn't go right via the above link; here's the link to the un-translated page: http://tinyurl.com/ye2n9r6   ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 02:36:05 PM
We need all the notes on this program we can get.  Maybe GWMB will do a translation as well.  Then we can pool them and try to get the most from them we can.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

He said it in the lobby of a hotel...maybe HI?
Was it to Dave and another person?

Typed really fast, forgive any typos please!   ::snowmanlaugh::

Dave's book
Page 118-119

snip

There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping them.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair a Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::

Howdy!  ::CowboySmiley::

Hello!

Nice hats you all wear   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ; are you all texans? lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 13, 2009, 02:42:55 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::

Howdy!  ::CowboySmiley::

Hello!

Nice hats you all wear   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ; are you all texans? lol
I am!!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::

Howdy!  ::CowboySmiley::

Hello!

Nice hats you all wear   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ; are you all texans? lol
I am!!  ::CowboySmiley::

Me too!    ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:49:52 PM
I'll record the show and post it somewhere on a videosite. But first I will make a good summary of it and post that here.
But that will take some time; hope i'll manage it tonight!

See you then!   ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 02:50:26 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

He said it in the lobby of a hotel...maybe HI?
Was it to Dave and another person?

Typed really fast, forgive any typos please!   ::snowmanlaugh::

Dave's book
Page 118-119

snip

There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping them.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair a Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

TM, you are just the best!          Thank you!   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 02:52:09 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::

Howdy!  ::CowboySmiley::

Hello!

Nice hats you all wear   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ; are you all texans? lol
I am!!  ::CowboySmiley::

Me too!    ::ElfMonkey::

You too texasmom? Who would have guessed that!!!???!!!    ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
Ooops...

Hay must be Hi  ::MonkeyEek::

Howdy!  ::CowboySmiley::

Hello!

Nice hats you all wear   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ; are you all texans? lol
I am!!  ::CowboySmiley::

Me too!    ::ElfMonkey::

You too texasmom? Who would have guessed that!!!???!!!    ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 13, 2009, 02:56:32 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

This is from Dave's book Anna:

There are several people in question to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping hints.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Policy Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos'nCharlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natlee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 02:57:15 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

He said it in the lobby of a hotel...maybe HI?
Was it to Dave and another person?

Typed really fast, forgive any typos please!   ::snowmanlaugh::

Dave's book
Page 118-119

snip

There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping them.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair a Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.


TxMom,

You are certainly the best to type and post that.  Much more than I was expecting as I just wanted a yea or nay but this is so much better and is as I remembered it.

Again, the same cast of characters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 02:58:10 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

He said it in the lobby of a hotel...maybe HI?
Was it to Dave and another person?

Typed really fast, forgive any typos please!   ::snowmanlaugh::

Dave's book
Page 118-119

snip

There are several people in the equation to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping them.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair a Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

TM, you are just the best!          Thank you!   ::ElfMonkey::

YW Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 13, 2009, 02:58:13 PM
TM I should have just waited for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
Does anyone recall exactly what Michael Dompig said about Paulus taking out a boat on Monday?

Was this ever verified as fact or was it just rumor?

I think he said the Gottenboes boat.

This is from Dave's book Anna:

There are several people in question to consider besides the three boys and the father.  There are also seemingly well-connected people who have been passing on leads and dropping hints.  Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I saw Deputy Policy Commissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos'nCharlie's.  The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from those two.  As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity.  The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of young women.  I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions.  He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natlee's murder.  That brought to mind one of Joran's statements.  He had referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos.  Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat.  The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.


Thanks, San!  I remember this so well because of how arrogant it was of the locals to be up to the same thing even with all the publicity about Natalee.  They didn't even slow down it would appear.  Guess they were confident no one was going to do anything at all to stop them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 03:02:51 PM
TM I should have just waited for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Just hope we can get this kind of coverage for De Vries program today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 03:05:41 PM
TM I should have just waited for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for bringing it too San!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
Off to multitask but will post as soon as I hear anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 03:15:04 PM
TM I should have just waited for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're the best too, San! ::ElfMonkey::  Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 03:17:07 PM
Off to multitask but will post as soon as I hear anything.

Thanks Anna!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 13, 2009, 03:19:59 PM
TM I should have just waited for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're the best too, San! ::ElfMonkey::  Thanks!

Teamwork  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 03:22:35 PM
TM I should have just waited for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're the best too, San! ::ElfMonkey::  Thanks!

Teamwork  ::CowboySmiley::


You look good in that cowboy hat!! ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on December 13, 2009, 03:48:27 PM
i can't watch de Peter R. de Vries show now.
i will watch it tomorrow and post the information here.

Peter R. de Vries has obtained video footage of Joran being questioned by the police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 13, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
i can't watch de Peter R. de Vries show now.
i will watch it tomorrow and post the information here.

Peter R. de Vries has obtained video footage of Joran being questioned by the police.

Thank you. Look forward to your post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 03:53:41 PM
i can't watch de Peter R. de Vries show now.
i will watch it tomorrow and post the information here.

Peter R. de Vries has obtained video footage of Joran being questioned by the police.

Thanks Caesu!  I'm looking forward to your thoughts on it!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
I received this account of the de Vries program.  Again, it represents the opinion of the viewer only:

After the Range Rover confession, he did go to the police after he did know about the tape.

He didn’t answered different and difficult questions.  Dolpwhin Richardson and a KLPD were interviewed him after he did come to the police to talk about his lies.

 

He told the police guys, that he did invent his Range Rover story. They asked to him about to tell the truth. And come one with your proof. And the police guys told him I will show you the proof that you don’t tell your truth. And he did want leave the conversation.  And told anything is a lied and he want to be cool to tell lies and he told the police guys he is crazy. And after that De Vries told in the show after anything he did leave to Thailand and think he is gone from anything. But about OM want to investigate or they can condemn for the disappeared from Natalee Holloway.

----

Not quite sure what to make of this.  Joran denies everything in the RR that he said.  Richardson and a member of KLPD questioned him.  Apparently they did so in a rather hostile manner.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 04:07:38 PM

Thanks Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
I asked for clarification and got it on who Joran was saying was crazy.  He is saying that he, himself, Joran, is crazy and not the policeman.

Nice try!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
I asked for clarification and got it on who Joran was saying was crazy.  He is saying that he, himself, Joran, is crazy and not the policeman.

Nice try!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/churchlady_2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
It was only a 20 minute long item. Not very interesting images.

OK, here are my notes:

PRdV compares the three subjects/persons of tonight’s show with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Among the three: Joran van der Sloot.
Joran is a man with two faces: a confessor in the car of Patrick and someone who a couple of days later reports at a police station to ‘be frank about what happened at the beach in Aruba’ (NOT!).
Feb. 3 2008 was Peters show with Patrick and Joran. (Footage of that show is re-aired.)
Next Joran makes a desperate move and reports at a police station.
Feb. 8 2008 a police interrogation takes place at the police. Present are a KLPD detective and an Aruban detective. He points to his ‘Aruban confessions’. Joran evades difficult questions. “I don’t want to talk about the NH case again.” “I just made up what I said to Patrick.” But these latest Patrick-confessions matched fully with police findings. Contrary to the Aruban confessions.
“Patrick insinuated things and drove me to tell these things.”
Joran bluffs that it was sturdiness what he told Patrick. But the detectives don’t take that. Joran again points to his Aruban confessions. But he has difficulties to remember and tell what he stated then. He can’t remember these lies.
After 20 minutes in the ‘confession’ a detective urges “Tell the TRUTH!!!” I didn’t come here all the way from Aruba for nothing!
Joran then appeals to his right to remain silent. But soon he points back again to his Aruban statements.
But a lot of that was proven to be lies, for instance:  the story that he took Natalee back to the hotel and that he left his shoes on the beach.
To Patrick he said that he’d dumped them on his way home.
Joran says that he willingly told Patrick lies. Among which: Daury. “That was just a name...”
Detective: ‘How can you prove that it didn’t go the way you told Patrick in the PRdV-tapes?”
After one and a half hour into the interrogation: “I didn’t tell the truth there!”
In the end nothing has come out of his latest ‘confession’ and he leaves the police station.

I’ll watch the video I made of the show and will correct my notes and post them here then. See you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 04:24:43 PM


Thank you EURobert!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 04:29:18 PM
I asked what he said about the shoes:

Yes, but that was not reallly interesting. They ask where is shoes were. But he answered I did leave them on the beach and told them I did told in my early intervieuw in Aruba on 2005.


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Post by: can on December 13, 2009, 04:31:34 PM
Thank you so much EURobert.

Best greetings!  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


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Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 04:32:36 PM
I asked how long the part about Joran lasted:


Hmhm I guess it was around 20 minutes. So that was stopped about 25 minutes ago.


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Post by: can on December 13, 2009, 04:33:34 PM
I asked what he said about the shoes:

Yes, but that was not reallly interesting. They ask where is shoes were. But he answered I did leave them on the beach and told them I did told in my early intervieuw in Aruba on 2005.
Thanks Anna! 

A big thank you to Peter for keeping Jorans name out there!


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Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 04:36:30 PM
EURobert,

If you post the video, we will all watch it even if it is in Dutch and we can't understand a word of it.  Good to see the body language.

Thank you so much for your input and notes on the subject.

I think maybe Joran was scared with people saying things to him in the streets and thought if he went into the police, it might cause people to stop bothering him?


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Post by: can on December 13, 2009, 04:42:26 PM
i can't watch de Peter R. de Vries show now.
i will watch it tomorrow and post the information here.

Peter R. de Vries has obtained video footage of Joran being questioned by the police.

Thank you!


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Post by: can on December 13, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
Since it appears nothing too startling came out of the tapes I would guess that Peter (on his last show of the year) is letting Joran and the public that he is still keeping him in his sights.  Joran will always have to look over his shoulder.



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Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 05:01:18 PM
Since it appears nothing too startling came out of the tapes I would guess that Peter (on his last show of the year) is letting Joran and the public that he is still keeping him in his sights.  Joran will always have to look over his shoulder.



That's for sure!   ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
Since it appears nothing too startling came out of the tapes I would guess that Peter (on his last show of the year) is letting Joran and the public that he is still keeping him in his sights.  Joran will always have to look over his shoulder.




I think he is still afraid to go back to the Netherlands.  Peter is keeping that fear alive by reminding people what Joran did.


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Post by: can on December 13, 2009, 05:13:27 PM
Since it appears nothing too startling came out of the tapes I would guess that Peter (on his last show of the year) is letting Joran and the public that he is still keeping him in his sights.  Joran will always have to look over his shoulder.



That's for sure!   ::MonkeyCool::


Although I want so much more for Natalee and her family the thought that Joran will always have fear, can never know with certainty who or when someone will trip up, will never enjoy real peace is somewhat satisfying.

...and we wait...for justice! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 13, 2009, 05:16:55 PM
Since it appears nothing too startling came out of the tapes I would guess that Peter (on his last show of the year) is letting Joran and the public that he is still keeping him in his sights.  Joran will always have to look over his shoulder.




I think he is still afraid to go back to the Netherlands.  Peter is keeping that fear alive by reminding people what Joran did.

Yes and he hasn't been to Aruba for a long time that I'm aware of. 



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Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
I'll record the show and post it somewhere on a videosite. But first I will make a good summary of it and post that here.
But that will take some time; hope i'll manage it tonight!

See you then!   ::santawink::

Thanks EURobert!  Good to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
i can't watch de Peter R. de Vries show now.
i will watch it tomorrow and post the information here.

Peter R. de Vries has obtained video footage of Joran being questioned by the police.

Thanks caesu!


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Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 05:28:26 PM
Posted by fierljepper at RU:

Watched is as well. Few observations:

* All information provided was in line with my expectations. So, well hyped for absolutely nothing new.
* Very surprised that such an interrogation video leaks out and can be broadcast on TV.
* Not very impressed by the type of questions they asked.
* Also not very impressed by one of them losing his temper (didn't sound like acting).
* The next bullet is going to maybe sound a bit weird, but...
* ...I actually felt some sympathy for Joran in that room since...
* ...he came across as sincerely trying to tell the Daury story was a bogus.
* ...and also that it was all about impressing Patrick as a future partner in crime, but...
* ...of course without falling in the trap of deviating a millimeter from his earlier statements.
* The only tangible bit of info he (re-)provided was that "he left his shoes on the beach"

My take:
* The Daury story is full of bogus to impress Patrick (although elements could still be true).
* Status quo of PVs does protect Joran best.
* Hence no need to change a word of them.
* The new prosecuter will annouce soon the case will be closed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 05:35:57 PM
Hi there,

Here's the second, somewhat improved version of the summary of tonight's show.

PRdV compares the three subjects/persons of tonight’s show with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. “Who’s evil side slowly gets the upper hand.” Among the three: Joran van der Sloot.
Joran is a man with two faces: a confessor who without shame and in a sickening way opens up in Patrick’s car and someone who a week later reports at a police station to ‘be frank about what happened at the beach in Aruba’ (NOT!).
Feb. 3 2008 was Peters show with Patrick and Joran. (Footage of that show is re-aired.) “Watched by more than 7 million people.”
Next Joran makes a desperate move and reports at a police station.
Feb. 8 2008 a police interrogation takes place at the Rotterdam Rijnmond police station. PRdV: “We got hold of those tapes recently.” Present are a KLPD detective and an Aruban head of the NH-case investigation: Dolf Richardson. Joran points back to his ‘Aruban confessions’. Joran tries to slow-down the interrogation and evades difficult questions. “I don’t want to talk about the NH case again.” “I just made up what I said to Patrick.” (Litt.: “I have a big fantasy.”) “I stick to the statements I made during the Aruban interrogations.” “I made up what I told Patrick in the car.” PRdV: So Joran more or less appeals to insanity! But these latest Patrick-confessions matched fully with police findings. Contrary to the Aruban confessions. Joran: “I just suggested to Patrick that I was a clever guy who knew what to do in a situation like that.” “Those months I had more than enough time to make up a story to Patrick.”
“Patrick insinuated things and drove me to tell these things.”
Joran bluffs that it was sturdiness what he told Patrick. But the detectives don’t take that. Joran again points to his Aruban confessions. He refuses to go deeper into the NH-case now. But he has difficulties to remember and tell what he stated then. He can’t remember these lies.
After 20 minutes in the ‘confession’ a detective urges “I’ve had it... Tell the TRUTH!!! I didn’t come here all the way from Aruba for nothing!”
Joran then appeals to his right to remain silent. But soon he points back again to his Aruban statements.
But a lot of that was proven to be lies, for instance:  the story that he took Natalee back to the hotel and that he left his shoes on the beach.
To Patrick he said that he’d dumped them on his way home.
Joran says that he willingly told Patrick lies. Among which: Daury, who supposedly dumped Natalee in the ocean. “That was just a name...”
PRdV: In the end Joran doesn’t want to be open and frank at all!
Detective: ‘How can you prove that it didn’t go the way you told Patrick in the PRdV-tapes?” JvdS: “You know I can’t prove that.”
After one and a half hour into the interrogation the detectives let Joran know they don’t believe his story: “You didn’t really tell the truth there!”
In the end nothing has come out of his latest ‘confession’ and Joran leaves the police station.
PRdV: Joran refuses to go deeper into the NH-disappearence and next he goes to Thailand to... trie to set up an illegal prostitution-trade... (Images of Thailand)
I almost every day get the question how Joran vd Sloot is doing. Well the case isn’t closed.... On the contrary: after the feb. 2008 show the pre-investigation into the case is reopened. But the decision if the ‘letting the corpse disappear’ - the only thing he confessed - is prosecuted, still has to be made.

............................

That's it. I'll see if I can post the video I shot of the show, on youtube or something tonight.

Bye!  ::santawink::



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Post by: Tibrogargan on December 13, 2009, 05:37:01 PM
Adding my thanks to those who have brought reports of the show to us here.  Again it is like Tylergal always said : All lies.

Also thanks to all the devoted monkeys who continue researching and digging for the truth.

God Bless Beth and all of Natalee's family.


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Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 05:41:24 PM
EURobert! Thanks!  Very much appreciated!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 05:46:56 PM
Hi there,

Here's the second, somewhat improved version of the summary of tonight's show.

PRdV compares the three subjects/persons of tonight’s show with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. “Who’s evil side slowly gets the upper hand.” Among the three: Joran van der Sloot.
Joran is a man with two faces: a confessor who without shame and in a sickening way opens up in Patrick’s car and someone who a week later reports at a police station to ‘be frank about what happened at the beach in Aruba’ (NOT!).
Feb. 3 2008 was Peters show with Patrick and Joran. (Footage of that show is re-aired.) “Watched by more than 7 million people.”
Next Joran makes a desperate move and reports at a police station.
Feb. 8 2008 a police interrogation takes place at the Rotterdam Rijnmond police station. PRdV: “We got hold of those tapes recently.” Present are a KLPD detective and an Aruban head of the NH-case investigation: Dolf Richardson. Joran points back to his ‘Aruban confessions’. Joran tries to slow-down the interrogation and evades difficult questions. “I don’t want to talk about the NH case again.” “I just made up what I said to Patrick.” (Litt.: “I have a big fantasy.”) “I stick to the statements I made during the Aruban interrogations.” “I made up what I told Patrick in the car.” PRdV: So Joran more or less appeals to insanity! But these latest Patrick-confessions matched fully with police findings. Contrary to the Aruban confessions. Joran: “I just suggested to Patrick that I was a clever guy who knew what to do in a situation like that.” “Those months I had more than enough time to make up a story to Patrick.”
“Patrick insinuated things and drove me to tell these things.”
Joran bluffs that it was sturdiness what he told Patrick. But the detectives don’t take that. Joran again points to his Aruban confessions. He refuses to go deeper into the NH-case now. But he has difficulties to remember and tell what he stated then. He can’t remember these lies.
After 20 minutes in the ‘confession’ a detective urges “I’ve had it... Tell the TRUTH!!! I didn’t come here all the way from Aruba for nothing!”
Joran then appeals to his right to remain silent. But soon he points back again to his Aruban statements.
But a lot of that was proven to be lies, for instance:  the story that he took Natalee back to the hotel and that he left his shoes on the beach.
To Patrick he said that he’d dumped them on his way home.
Joran says that he willingly told Patrick lies. Among which: Daury, who supposedly dumped Natalee in the ocean. “That was just a name...”
PRdV: In the end Joran doesn’t want to be open and frank at all!
Detective: ‘How can you prove that it didn’t go the way you told Patrick in the PRdV-tapes?” JvdS: “You know I can’t prove that.”
After one and a half hour into the interrogation the detectives let Joran know they don’t believe his story: “You didn’t really tell the truth there!”
In the end nothing has come out of his latest ‘confession’ and Joran leaves the police station.
PRdV: Joran refuses to go deeper into the NH-disappearence and next he goes to Thailand to... trie to set up an illegal prostitution-trade... (Images of Thailand)
I almost every day get the question how Joran vd Sloot is doing. Well the case isn’t closed.... On the contrary: after the feb. 2008 show the pre-investigation into the case is reopened. But the decision if the ‘letting the corpse disappear’ - the only thing he confessed - is prosecuted, still has to be made.

............................

That's it. I'll see if I can post the video I shot of the show, on youtube or something tonight.

Bye!  ::santawink::



Thanks again EURobert!  If you are able to put it on Youtube, please bring us a link!  ::santawink:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 13, 2009, 05:57:43 PM
Thanks a bunch to EURobert. 

Now we need to find out just what Greta had on this "lier" that she was willing to hand over to the LE in Aruba--all they had to do is come and get it (or request it---if my memory is correct on this).


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Post by: Buckeye on December 13, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Thanks to EURobert....  and Anna.

Good to see caesu.

Why didn't Aruba let someone else interrogate???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 06:35:18 PM
Thanks to EURobert....  and Anna.

Good to see caesu.

Why didn't Aruba let someone else interrogate???


As I understand it, there was a KLPD officer also interrogating Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
Looks like the NH story was just aired in FRANCE  ::MonkeyCool::

http://teleobs.nouvelobs.com/tv_programs/2009/12/14/chaine/canal/14/0/natalee-holloway

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/NHFrance.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on December 13, 2009, 06:43:04 PM
Thanks to EURobert....  and Anna.

Good to see caesu.

Why didn't Aruba let someone else interrogate???


As I understand it, there was a KLPD officer also interrogating Joran.

hmmmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 06:50:50 PM
Hi there again,

Just posted the first halve of the show on youtube. It took a little longer than I'd expected because I thought: let's do it quick and use iMovie... Forgot that it was ages ago that I had used that program. So I had to learn it all over again...

Anyway, here's the link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEKGojeVNEs

It may take a few minutes (30?, 60?) before it shows up there. In the mean time I'll try to post the second part.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 06:57:02 PM
Hi there again,

Just posted the first halve of the show on youtube. It took a little longer than I'd expected because I thought: let's do it quick and use iMovie... Forgot that it was ages ago that I had used that program. So I had to learn it all over again...

Anyway, here's the link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEKGojeVNEs

It may take a few minutes (30?, 60?) before it shows up there. In the mean time I'll try to post the second part.

THANKS! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 07:15:38 PM
Okay, second part is online now, it should be here: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IvOwl

I'm off to bed now! Have a great night y'all! Later!


 ::MonkeyReindeer::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 07:18:44 PM
Okay, second part is online now, it should be here: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IvOwl

I'm off to bed now! Have a great night y'all! Later!


 ::MonkeyReindeer::


It could be that iMovie gave me the wrong link. But you can find it - in a couple of minutes - under this title I guess: PRdVNH-case dec09-02

Goodnight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Posted by GBMW at GM:

8-02-2008 Joran giving a statement because of the Patrick van der Eem - Peter R. de Vries / Range Rover footage.
In Rotterdam; a detective + Dolph Richardson


10:17
Joran alone in the room...playing with his hat.

10:49
Joran: I don't want to talk about the Holloway case.
Detective: This is a hearing of you. Your status: suspect. Aruba has decided to re-open the investigation based on the current facts.

10:22
Detective: You came to the policestation voluntarily because, so we understood from the media - from the lips of your lawyer - that you want to make a statement.
Joran: That is correct. Let me start by saying I've got a huge imagination...and I'm staying with my previous statements given to the police - thus not the one at Peter R. de Vries - ...that I'm keeping to those. That is what happened. And that what is talked about there (meaning the Peter R. de Vries tapes)...I've fantasized it all.

10:25
Joran: I wanted him to think I'm a smart guy...and that I would know what to do in a difficult situation.
Detective: Impress him?
Joran: Yes.
Detective: So it was more like presenting your CV: this is what you get.
Joran: Well, in the 8 months with me he's insinuated things towards me a few times...I just knew: that is what he wants to hear...a story like that. I've had plenty of time to come up with something. I'm familiar with the case myself so I've also been thinking: what could possibly have happened. This is a scenario I choose to tell him but it's not based on the truth.

10:40
Joran: I wanted, because of his stories he didn't know,....I figured...okay...I'm going to tell him that I got away with something like that.
Detective: And you use the disappearance of Natalee for that?
Joran: And I used the disappearance of Natalee for that.

10:25
Detective: Tell, from your experience, the essential points...from the whole story...from all the conversations you had with Patrick what were deliberate lies..
Joran: Yes...that's all I supposedly have done.
Dolph Richardson: Tangible.
Detective: Very tangible. According to me there are things that went the way they went.
Joran is silent for a bit and says then: Yeah...everything you...I'm referring to my previous statements to the police. Everything I told there is based on the truth.

10:48
Detective: Only, in the file as it is, there are facts and circumstances you can or can't easily validate. You don't do that.
Silence for a bit.
The simple fact: if we assume the given: Joran at the beach with Natalee. The simple fact: Joran leaves the beach & goes home. How?
Joran: I've also given a previous statement about that as well.
Detective: Yeah...which version is it?
Joran (annoyed & arrogant): You're not listening very well.
Detective: I am listening.
Joran: I'm staying with my last version....
Dolph Richardson: And what was that?
Joran is silent for a short time...says then: Yeah, I'm saying I'm staying with that statement...you have to go back to that statement.
Detective: No, I've just said not any of that  'seek the difference'.
Joran: I'm telling you: I'm staying with my last given statements. And I don't want to discuss the Holloway case.

10:43
Dolph Richardson (annoyed): I'm done with it!
Joran: Okay.
Dolph Richardson: So tell the truth. We start again...tell the truth! I didn't come here to listen to this bullshit story, sorry.
Joran: Okay, then we're done.
Dolph Richardson: No, tell the truth.
Joran: Then I'm exercising my right to be silent...then we're done here. Piece of cake. Okay...then I'm leaving now.

11:49
Detective: Come with your truth.
Joran: I've given that already.
Detective: Then I'm asking you...what is your truth?
Joran (annoyed & arrogant): If I have to say it a 100 times, I will say it a 100 times: I'm referring to my previous statements.
Detective: Holiday Inn...your truth. It's in the file.
Joran: Yes, that's in the file.
Detective: Without a doubt it is certain that it was a big bullshit story. That is your truth. Then you're still talking bullshit, Joran.
Joran: Well, that is my truth.

11:54
Detective: And may I - based on the de Vries tapes & the file -  perhaps ask a question about your shoes? Clear that up...what happened to your focking shoes?
Joran: I'd rather not...I'd rather talk about something that is founded on proof.
? (don't know who's saying this): For example the shoes.
Dolph Richardson: What can you proof?
Joran: If I don't know where they are how can I give proof?
Detective: Tell us where to look.
Joran: I don't know...I left them at the beach so I don't know. And I don't want to discuss that. (emphasizing this)

11:01
Detective: We have found Daury. So that's correct.
Joran: But he doesn't know anything. Daury is someone I gotten to know on Aruba...I told you.
Detective: Yes, but we've found Daury. We've talked to Daury.
Joran: That's just the name I came up with for some reason.

12:17
Detective: How do you prove based on the Peter R. de Vries tapes that Natalee didn't die or pass out in your arms?
Joran: I'm saying that that isn't true. You will just have to believe me on my big brown eyes.
Detective: No, that's not possible anymore.
Joran: Yeah...but how do you want me to say it otherwise?
Detective: That is over and done with....can't happen anymore.
Joran (annoyed): You know damn well I can't prove that. What you're coming up with are things...
Detective: No...so you can't prove that.
Joran: No.

12:20
starts in the middle of a sentence...
Detective: ....that you, also in this conversation, and that is an indisputable fact...let me express myself carefully...aren't telling the truth.
At this moment Joran looks away...not meeting the detective's / Dolph Richardson's eyes.
Joran makes a move to stand up...
Dolph Richardson: Sit...he's going to prove it. He's not bluffing. That's the difference between my co-worker and you. You're (pointing at Joran) are bluffing and he's (pointing at the detective) not.
Joran (annoyed): Okay...as far as I'm concerned we're done here.
Detective: No, but he can really...he's not bluffing.
Joran: Well, prove it.
Joran is still moving as if in doubt to go or not.
Dolph Richardson: Well listen...sit..
Joran: Come...show your so called proof. You don't have that. I know you don't. So what are you saying that 'you'll prove' while I know that won't be the case?
Detective: I'm fine with it.
Joran: Yes.
Detective: I am (emphasizing this) going to prove that you haven't told the complete truth in today's story.
Dolph Richardson: We are going to prove that.
Detective: And I don't feel any need whatsoever to share this with you at the moment.
Joran: And I don't feel any need whatsoever to hear it.
Dolph Richardson: Good.
Detective: Then we agree on that.
Joran: Yeah. Yeah...then we're done right? Easy.
Detective: We're really done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 07:35:26 PM
I can't see the second vid.  Can anyone else?  Or is it just not posted yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 13, 2009, 07:40:12 PM
My second vid doesn't show up yet. Don't know why. But others have posted clips as well:
 http://tinyurl.com/ye4g276


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 13, 2009, 07:41:07 PM
Thanks a bunch to EURobert. 

Now we need to find out just what Greta had on this "lier" that she was willing to hand over to the LE in Aruba--all they had to do is come and get it (or request it---if my memory is correct on this).

Here is the link on Greta and the information she had that Mos wasn't willing to meet with her halfway to get it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sleuth on December 13, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
EURobert - Thank you.    Thank you for the recap also. As I watched the videos I coulld just see Peter saying what you had summarized for us

Anna - thank you for gathering information as well, and your follow up questions and responses.

I'm guessing the second video is just not up yet


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Post by: Keepthefaith on December 13, 2009, 07:47:04 PM
Thank you KTF for the Georgia tennis information. That is a good find.


No,Thank you for what you do.Just thought it would shed a bit more light,in terms of how comfortable Joran,Koen,Guido & Paulus might be in the comfy confines of the Racquet Club in Aruba..If Koen is that good,you know he spent many a days at the club!!Wonder who all had KEYS to the Racquet Club???Just thoughts....

GOD BLESS ALL THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS

All eyez on Georgia..Also remember Athletic teams do travel from city to city..You may want to check out the schedule Kermit,TM & Magnolia! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 13, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
My second vid doesn't show up yet. Don't know why. But others have posted clips as well:
 http://tinyurl.com/ye4g276

Thanks, EURobert....we'll get to see the whole thing.  Appreciate your work on this.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2009, 08:30:13 PM
Did we ever know what the information Greta was trying to give to Mos was?  Was that where Joran claimed to have sold Natalee for $10K?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpeter-r-de-vries.startkabel.nl%2F%3Fresultp%3Don&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 13, 2009, 08:32:50 PM
Anna, thanks for posting your contact's report on the same.

Caesu, looking forward to yours tomorrow.

Klaas, thanks for bringing GBMWs take on it here.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 13, 2009, 08:41:58 PM
Part 1 from EURobert (his part 2 not showing up yet)

http://www.youtube.com/v/jEKGojeVNEs&hl=en_US&fs=1&

Part 1 & 2 from Bastibro:

http://www.youtube.com/v/wOj78xFVsy4&hl=en_US&fs=1&


http://www.youtube.com/v/oXmcLawpLlo&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 08:56:20 PM
Did we ever know what the information Greta was trying to give to Mos was?  Was that where Joran claimed to have sold Natalee for $10K?

That is what she said on her show and made a big deal that Mos would not meet with her in Miami on the weekend.
That was when Mos issued the long, long statement and called Greta "tabloid television"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 09:18:45 PM


Thanks to everyone for all the information and videos of the show!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Great questions WhiskeyGirl, I mean Magnolia!   ::MonkeyGavel::

I think Joran went to the police to give the "appearance" of being cooperative when in fact he wasn't.  He was probably advised to do that to try to calm some of the outrage by the citizens in Holland...he was being hunted down like a dog and IIRC even his bicycle was vandalized!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I think Peter showed the footage to prove that Joran had no intention of being cooperative, that he can't even remember the lies that he told police in the beginning; and that he has the same demeanor in that police interrogation as he described to Patrick about the prior ones.

Just by the timing, this interrogation took place after Dolph Richardson had been on the Persistence and saw the ROV footage.  The evidence had been collected a month prior, so he should have known some lab results...but maybe not all?

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 13, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Great questions WhiskeyGirl, I mean Magnolia!   ::MonkeyGavel::

I think Joran went to the police to give the "appearance" of being cooperative when in fact he wasn't.  He was probably advised to do that to try to calm some of the outrage by the citizens in Holland...he was being hunted down like a dog and IIRC even his bicycle was vandalized!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I think Peter showed the footage to prove that Joran had no intention of being cooperative, that he can't even remember the lies that he told police in the beginning; and that he has the same demeanor in that police interrogation as he described to Patrick about the prior ones.

Just by the timing, this interrogation took place after Dolph Richardson had been on the Persistence and saw the ROV footage.  The evidence had been collected a month prior, so he should have known some lab results...but maybe not all?

JMO


Thanks TM.
That makes sense.  I still wonder if this is a prelude to something coming up in the New Year.
Maybe just a reminder of what a POS Joran is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 10:13:45 PM
Anybody else find it interesting that Bastibro's youtube doesn't include the introduction by Peter?  ::MonkeyWink::

From EURobert's summary:

Quote
PRdV compares the three subjects/persons of tonight’s show with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. “Who’s evil side slowly gets the upper hand.” Among the three: Joran van der Sloot.
Joran is a man with two faces: a confessor who without shame and in a sickening way opens up in Patrick’s car and someone who a week later reports at a police station to ‘be frank about what happened at the beach in Aruba’ (NOT!).



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 13, 2009, 10:23:42 PM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Great questions WhiskeyGirl, I mean Magnolia!   ::MonkeyGavel::

I think Joran went to the police to give the "appearance" of being cooperative when in fact he wasn't.  He was probably advised to do that to try to calm some of the outrage by the citizens in Holland...he was being hunted down like a dog and IIRC even his bicycle was vandalized!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I think Peter showed the footage to prove that Joran had no intention of being cooperative, that he can't even remember the lies that he told police in the beginning; and that he has the same demeanor in that police interrogation as he described to Patrick about the prior ones.

Just by the timing, this interrogation took place after Dolph Richardson had been on the Persistence and saw the ROV footage.  The evidence had been collected a month prior, so he should have known some lab results...but maybe not all?

JMO


Thanks TM.
That makes sense.  I still wonder if this is a prelude to something coming up in the New Year.
Maybe just a reminder of what a POS Joran is.

A good number of us don't need a reminder...but it's OK....hope it's a prelude.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 13, 2009, 10:23:43 PM

I hope you're feeling better 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 13, 2009, 10:25:37 PM

I hope you're feeling better 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Getting there, thanks, TM, Kermit and all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 13, 2009, 11:50:16 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/uitzending-van-13-december-2009/


Here is the video of the show and I think a transcription in Dutch. It is on Peter's site


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 12:11:22 AM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/uitzending-van-13-december-2009/


Here is the video of the show and I think a transcription in Dutch. It is on Peter's site

Thanks SuzieQ!

This is a google translation of the part of the text about Joran:

The police interrogation of Joran and the sinister alias of Wally

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Joran
In the last broadcast of this series we came for the first time since back to Joran van der Sloot. What is the matter with him after he front of our hidden cameras a detailed confession? Many think he is a lucky escape, but nothing is further from the truth.

Right after our show in February 2008, Joran got himself into the police to say their own card to play. Was that to fully inform the police? Whether it was an emergency move of a cat in a corner that would save what can be salvaged? Sunday we showed in our broadcast images of this unique police interrogation.

But it seems that Joran not quite remember exactly what he stated. The truth of course you can recall, but many lies precisely reproduce is difficult ... If one thing clear during the interview it is that Joran does everything but open cases.

After our show in February 2008, the criminal investigation reopened and that Joran is still running. Before long, the Chief Public Prosecutor in Aruba Joran now decide whether or not prosecuted for the dispersal of the corpse of Natalee Holloway. To be continued so ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 03:06:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: EURobert on December 14, 2009, 03:59:50 AM
Well, obviously something went wrong with uploading my second video last night.
I re-uploaded it now (though not necessary anymore...), here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-3g8KbK9w

[YT]Ha-3g8KbK9w[/YT]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 14, 2009, 04:50:52 AM
The disposal of Natalee seems to be a different offense from drugging, assaulting, etc.

I wonder if there are considerations for not knowing if the person is alive or dead?

Perhaps JVDS got himself into an unintended criminal act?

Perhaps someone has come forward to verify this tale of calling a boat instead of an ambulance, or perhaps calling for body disposal?

Is it possible the body was dumped and returned to the beach by itself?

Remember the stories in VF about the late night swimmers and those that suggested Natalee was among them?  Would that story go with a body returned to the beach?

If a body is returned to the beach, and had other injuries, would anyone have looked twice?  A convenient cover for assault and drugs?

The disposal doesn't have to be the same night.  If someone decided to retrieve the body, or cover up it's return, it may have been hidden and moved.

If the body was hidden, moved, would the act of 'disposal' have happened several times?

The disposal being changed due to stories by J2K and all the media and searches?

Did JVDS' tale take him to the land of unintended consequences?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 14, 2009, 08:15:52 AM
Another thought -

Isn't the reward money for Natalee's return still available?

Perhaps someone has come forward to support JVDS story and collect some reward money?

Anyone know the status of the reward funds?

If she was sold into slavery, and is still alive, perhaps she could be returned?

If she is dead, and someone has credible information, perhaps they could get the other reward money?

JVDS has been partying on, and I am inclined to believe the wealth hasn't been spread around Aruba.

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 10:01:14 AM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::ElfMonkey::

This is a list of the newly elected officers for AHATA, effective Feb 2010.

12/14/2009 Awe Mainta Page 21

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 14, 2009, 10:30:20 AM
Any connection between Paul Gielen - Renaissance and Renee Gielen....or just a coincidence? 

Just 1 question at a time for me....   ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 14, 2009, 10:39:43 AM
Any connection between Paul Gielen - Renaissance and Renee Gielen....or just a coincidence? 

Just 1 question at a time for me....   ::snowmanlaugh::

Don't know  ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 14, 2009, 10:49:31 AM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

Yes - and No.  Dolph had seen ROV footage from the same date Tim Miller said "That looks like a skull".

As of that date, Feb 8, according to Kyle - no one had yet seen the Jan 7 ROV footage (ALE dive and collection).  It wasn't until the following week (Valentine's week) that Kyle high tailed it back to the States trying to sell it.  So the first people (according to Kyle) to even see stills of it were the execs at the National networks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 14, 2009, 10:54:05 AM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Great questions WhiskeyGirl, I mean Magnolia!   ::MonkeyGavel::

I think Joran went to the police to give the "appearance" of being cooperative when in fact he wasn't.  He was probably advised to do that to try to calm some of the outrage by the citizens in Holland...he was being hunted down like a dog and IIRC even his bicycle was vandalized!   ::MonkeyDevil::

I think Peter showed the footage to prove that Joran had no intention of being cooperative, that he can't even remember the lies that he told police in the beginning; and that he has the same demeanor in that police interrogation as he described to Patrick about the prior ones.

Just by the timing, this interrogation took place after Dolph Richardson had been on the Persistence and saw the ROV footage.  The evidence had been collected a month prior, so he should have known some lab results...but maybe not all?

JMO


Right.  Also confirmed between Mos and Richardson, TWO pieces of blue "something" was recovered.  NO mention of the other "lightweight" material recovered from inside the cage.

So by Feb 8, Dolph had just 2 weeks previously sent to the FBI whatever he deemed appropriate for them to have tested.

After he had it in his posession from Jan 7 until FBI rec'd on Jan 22 (23rd?).

So he could have known forensic results by the FBI by Feb 8, but IIRC it wasn't until the end of Feb that Mos read the FBI's report to the media.

Bottom line - according to Kyle, and with what I've seen with my own eyes, Richardson knew good and well that he was pulling one over on the FBI, by not sending him all that was recovered from that fish cage.

I personally don't buy Dolph's tough guy stance with Joran here.  Not at all.  They were in the Neth, and of course he had to give the appearance of doing his job.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 14, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
Thanks to all for the translations and videos.

Makes me wonder......why did Peter air this?   Will there maybe be a follow-up?

Why did Joran go into the Police station and then say he
didn't want to talk about the Holloway case?

Had Dolphi Richardson already seen the ROV footage of the cage when this interrogation took place?

I sound like Whiskey Girl ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

Yes - and No.  Dolph had seen ROV footage from the same date Tim Miller said "That looks like a skull".

As of that date, Feb 8, according to Kyle - no one had yet seen the Jan 7 ROV footage (ALE dive and collection).  It wasn't until the following week (Valentine's week) that Kyle high tailed it back to the States trying to sell it.  So the first people (according to Kyle) to even see stills of it were the execs at the National networks.



Thanks, Jen.   ::ElfMonkey::

No more questions from me. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 14, 2009, 11:04:16 AM
YW Magnolia!

Thank you to all for the translations and videos!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 14, 2009, 11:13:18 AM
YW Magnolia!

Thank you to all for the translations and videos!!

I agree with you on Richardson's tough guy put on.
Mos was in NL on holiday at the time of Joran's appearance at the police station.
I would think Mos would want to be present at the interrogation, even though he was on holiday.
Maybe it wasn't Mos' job to be there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 14, 2009, 01:24:59 PM
http://www.yhc.edu/

web site for Young Harris College. It was just awarded four-year status in Dec. 2008. Looks like Koen is a sophmore.

 The people that were saying the Gottenbos were in Holland, they were technically right. Their home town is Holland, Georgia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 14, 2009, 01:26:25 PM
I agree with yawl.

What a pussy Dolph Richardson's interrogation technique is with Joran.

Joran all put shoved his middle finger in their face and they just sit there and let him.
Then claim they did their job. No wonder Joran is arrogant. They all enable him to be.
Including his own father and mother.

We need someone with some real balls to investigate. I'm sick & tired of these men who are cowards going down there to retrieve evidence and making other deals along with the cowardice LE investigators.

If the innocent people of Aruba want their country back and stop the BOYCOTT then tell them to speak up and stop being cowards.
They know a lot more then what they have said. SPEAK UP AND SPEAK-A-DA-ENGLISH!

Other wise LET THE BOYCOTT CONTINE and drive Aruba into economic failure.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 14, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
sorry bout the spelling errors in that last post. I've got some 'criminal activity' going on and had to take care of that. be back later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 14, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
http://www.yhc.edu/

web site for Young Harris College. It was just awarded four-year status in Dec. 2008. Looks like Koen is a sophmore.

 The people that were saying the Gottenbos were in Holland, they were technically right. Their home town is Holland, Georgia.




Thanks, ::ElfMonkey:: SuzieQ.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66412.php

Google translation:

Weather Joran broadcast Peter R. Vries police leaked images

December 14, 2009, 14:03 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Nearly one million people yesterday for a new broadcast reporter Peter R. de Vries looked over Joran van der Sloot, the suspect in case of missing Natalee Holloway. This are leaked images of the police interrogation on February 8, 2008 Rotterdam-Rijnmond police that was conducted among others by Commissioner Dolfi Richardson and study.

How to De Vries the images came, he not known. In the broadcast the reporter says that the images in his possession and making a "revealing look at 'about the conduct of Van der Sloot. Whether the broadcast affects the still ongoing investigation into the missing Holloway, the Aruban Public Prosecutor (OM) does not say. The spokesman was first looked at what the broadcast was shown yesterday. "This morning's meeting again," said Angela Ann, who also said not to respond.

The Rotterdam-Rijnmond police where the hearing took place, by referring to the National Police (Police Agency) and the Aruban OM for comment. "It is not our investigation, so we can also say nothing about, nor how the images were leaked," said spokesman Huub Veeneman. Whether the images held by Rotterdam-Rijnmond police, he does not know. "We have to see what it has done. This research should obviously not be done by us. "Spokesperson also KLPD Marjolein Ruitenbeek referring to the Aruban OM. "I can not answer the case." According to her was not the images KLPD-detective to see, as Peter R. de Vries also be broadcast in the states.

In the broadcast is to see how Van der Sloot is a half hour interrogation. He had volunteered for this after the issue on February 3, 2008, hidden cameras recorded interview with him was broadcast. In it he confessed to Patrick van der Eem Holloway's body to have dumped. Later he claimed to have lied about. In the interview broadcast yesterday shows that the police are not much wiser because Van der Sloot denied a new statement. This leads to frustration in Richardson study. "I Sat We start again, telling the truth. I have not come here to this lulverhaal to hear, sorry, "the Aruban Commissioner and Van der Sloot continues to rely on earlier statements.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 03:39:35 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66413.php

Aruba possible sponsor Sparta

December 14, 2009, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / ROTTERDAM - Aruba is possible Sparta Rotterdam soccer team sponsor. This premier Mike Eman (AVP) after he said recently with some fellow ministers met the Rotterdam football club. The meeting took place in the Netherlands where Eman was present for visit. During the meeting discussed the possibilities of sponsorship for the promotion of our island. Eman wants the same kind of sponsorship as neighboring island of Curacao, which supports NEC football. Players of this team running with the name of the island on their playing around dress. Should a sponsorship contract with Sparta are completed, the government also wants the team to the island regularly to come and play against local players. The Aruba-born Sparta footballer Eric David Abdul was at the meeting Prime Minister Eman personal greetings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 03:45:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66410.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Comeback U.S. market until third quarter 2010

December 14, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

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The new board of AHATA
ORANGE CITY - The coming year offers by tourism industry association AHATA "Glimpses of hope 'for key tourism market of Aruba, the United States. The real comeback expects the organization until the third quarter of 2010.

During the General Assembly of Members, which took place last Friday, said AHATA to an additional 1.5 million U.S. dollars to invest in advertising in the first and second quarter to get the tourists back. The organization was therefore cautiously optimistic about the U.S. market. AHATA on the Venezuelan market was less favorable, they "challenge" calls. This mainly because of monetary restrictions (on the dollar) and policies of the Venezuelan government. There are still many under the trade barriers, including high flight loads and the limited number of seats flying in the weekend, to lower the number of Venezuelan tourists to get back up. In September the number of visitors dropped from the country by almost five percent. It is essentially a middle-class Venezuelans. AHATA says in the new year to focus on the wealthier Venezuelans rejected by the restrictions of their government are affected. The Colombian market is in any case well with an increase of over 15 percent of visitors in September. Also Argentina (26.6 percent in September) did well and AHATA expects that this market continues to pick up next year. Brazil calls the organization also one of the most promising markets for travel and tourism. This is because the strong currency and strong growth since June. Moreover, the significantly increased number of flights to Aruba. The growth of the European market comes mainly from those countries Britain and Italy. The Dutch market grew and no other markets such as Scandinavia remained behind because KLM does not fly to Aruba.

During the General Assembly of Members made AHATA also announced new members for the year 2009. This included Setar, Mc Donalds, Big Twin, Gucci, Boolchand, Arkefly, The Village, Morgan's Island and Butterfly Farm member.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 03:48:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66408.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

High Elderly man missing

December 14, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The aged Alexander Lawrence Rock (82) is missing since Friday, December 11. After Friday at noon at the bus station in San Nicolas at the bus moved towards Orange City, has heard nothing from him. Meanwhile the man missing for more than three days. Because he suffers from Alzheimer's disease, his family is very concerned. He is also infirm and blind and deaf on one side.

Saba Rock is born, has a slim figure, 73 is approximately 1 meter long and has a brown color. He speaks mainly English. At the time of his disappearance he was dressed in gray trousers with a brown belt, a red shirt and brown shoes. Organizations Fundacion Alzheimer Aruba (FAA), Sarfa rescue organization and the Red Cross to help them in the search for the demented elderly. Anyone who knows more about the whereabouts of the elderly or who observes somewhere, is called direct contact with the police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66400.php

Google translation:

ANTILLES

Shed Divi

December 14, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

KRALENDIJK - Atlas Smit Salvage has a new date pinned to the plane of Divi Divi and the body of pilot Robert Mansell of the seabed to achieve. If everything goes as planned, happens Friday. This is another, larger boat entered sea due tug Indus Bank remained stable enough not lie. Which boat will deploy Smit, is not yet published.

The salvage operation began on Wednesday, December 2 and was about three days to complete. But Smith seems to have misjudged the strong currents off the south coast of Klein Bonaire. The Indus Bank had to be held stable because each meter of literally a hitch could come. That was over two times. New cables should be flown from the Netherlands but then got the ROV (Remotely Operating Vehicle) leakage. The high tech robot has been dried. Two weeks later than planned, nearly three months after the emergency landing of the aircraft, it still seems to happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 04:39:40 PM
Interesting article from right after Joran's interrogation in Holland.  I guess it proves more than ever that we should always consider the source.  JMO

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Justice interrogates Joran

Amigoe.com

02/09/2008

While he was secretly being recorded in conversation with ‘informant’ Patrick van der Eem, he was under the influence of marihuana, said Joran van der Sloot in the interrogation with Justice.

ORANJESTAD -- Joran van der Sloot declared that the conversations in Patrick van der Eem’s car, were carried on under influence of marihuana. He said this at a police station in Rotterdam, where he was voluntarily interrogated yesterday morning.

Detectives of the Aruban police and of the Corps national police service (KLPD) and his Dutch lawyer were present at the interrogation that lasted about two hours, said the Public Prosecutor (OM).

Other than that, Van der Sloot stuck to all his prior declarations in the investigation. He denies having anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, said the OM. He could leave after the interrogation. The examining magistrate decided on February 5 that Joran van der Sloot is not to be detained. The OM has appealed that decision and expects a verdict from the Common Court of Justice.

The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own. “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice. To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’. People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences. Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice. “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”

The OM mentioned as an example the media hunt on an accomplice that Van der Sloot mentioned. After this person (Daury Rodriguez) had declared that he has nothing to do with the case, all eyes focused on a next person (Lorenzo van Rijn).

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel. “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot. The OM is also of the opinion that yesterday’s words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes were premature. Croes wants to declare Joran van der Sloot persona non grate.

“The boy is not convicted yet; besides, there are a whole lot of judicial hurdles ahead, before he can be refused admission to Aruba. He is legally admitted anyway”, was the reaction of the OM.

Many institutions, official bodies, lawyers, journalists, and psychologists are asking themselves how to handle the outpouring of Joran van der Sloot before the hidden camera. According to law psychologist Albert Wagenaar, there is not even a confession in the revealing reportage. There is no solving of the case and it is no confession of a criminal act, ’because none is indicated’, said the psychologist.

The ombudsman of NOS, Tom van Bussel is of the opinion that the NOS should have been more reserved in reporting Peter R. de Vries’ claim that he had solved the Holloway disappearance-case. After the coverage of SBS6 on Sunday evening it appeared that De Vries’ promise is not fulfilled. “What we know now is that Joran is a confused guy. Like a source of the OM phrased it: ‘We thought that we would get a solution, but what we got was another of the so-many stories”, states the ombudsman on his NOS-website.

At this moment, the Dutch Council for Journalism doesn’t want to say whether certain publications in the Joran van der Sloot-case have crossed the borders of careful journalism.

Nevertheless, top executive of the Dutch OM, Harm Brouwer praises De Vries for his coverage. The chairman of the college of procurator-general said in an interview in Trouw last Friday that De Vries has delivered good journalistic work. “The criticism from media circles on De Vries is pretty hypocritical”, said Brouwer. “What he did is a logical continuation on a trend that is going on for years. He is in many respects a journalistic professional.”

Brouwer wants a social debate on citizens that are actively involved in tracing activities. That is just a detail. The point is, where private investigation must start and where it must stop.”

BALKENENDE

Premier Jan Peter Balkenende assumes that, during his Aruba-visit this Friday, the Holloway-case will come up for discussion in his conversation with Premier Nelson Oduber. He said in the TV-programme EenVandaag that this is the case of the judicial authorities and that he must not get involved. He pointed out the complexity of the case. Van der Sloot’s statements are indeed arguable; Daury said that he was not on Aruba when the affaire took place. Balkenende will be on Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles for five days, starting on Sunday.

Posted by Getagrip at 2/11/2008 10:42:00 AM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 14, 2009, 05:26:59 PM
Posted by fierljepper  PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:17 pm at RU:

PdV: "Many think he is a lucky escape, but nothing is further from the truth."

Oh well,

FJ: "I think he is a lucky escape, and I am convinced that I'm very close to the truth."

Few questions that emerged after a first night of digesting this DeVries air bubble broadcast from yesterday.

Firstly, let's remember that half of the Netherlands was after Joran immediately after the DeVries program in Feb 2008. News made it firmly to the frontpages of all national newspaper. The atmosphere had even become a bit 'lynch mob'-ish in a town in Friesland where Joran alllegedly stayed. And in this surreal and threatening climate, our Joran walks into an interrogation room to make a voluntary statement that is was all bullocks what he had told Patrick. Of course his parents/lawyers had adviced him to do so, but...

...where was his lawyer (father)? Clearly not in the room. Why on earth would a lawyer let his (young) client go all by himself into this interrogation room?

Secondly, I was struck by the total disrespect and even arrogance that Joran displayed. Not a single bit of shame about the national TV broadcast and what he had told Patrick in the car. It was just a fantasy you know. Such a sick personal damaging story that was broadcast for 7mln people where he even had the guts to abuse a very sad story about a missing girl in which he was the main suspect! This total lack of emotion, empathy or even a touch of shame, is pretty stunning.

Joran was is so darned certain of his case, that it almost must make the Daury helper a total bogus. Joran has nothing to fear from anybody. He is now absolutely convinced that there will never be any witness or any body showing up. But of course he needed the Daury character to impress Patrick. In the crime scene you won't score points by disposing off a dead body only. Much better to shift that accountability and the associated poor judgement to somebody else. Better to show how good a liar and manipulator you are. And how well you can bullshit yourself out of difficult situations. And in all fairness, that is a skill Joran possesses.

Any normal human being, who is innocent of a crime, would repeat over and over again that they haven't done anything wrong. Esp. in such a stressful situation. Except for Joran. He keeps his mouth shut and refers to his watertight last statement from June 2005. Whatever it is was he stated, he didn't even bother recalling, he knows it is good enough to keep him out of trouble.

No body, no case. No witness, no case. He is totally safe now.


And the scary part of all of this... ...Joran seems to enjoy these power plays with the police... ...and although very unprofessional, I have some sympathy for Dolphi's verbal explosion during the interrogation.       




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 08:27:38 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14534/5/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12142009_24Ora_Suicide_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio at calabas

monday, 14 december 2009 - 20:08

monday morning is open cu one caso regrettable of suicidio at calabas, in the people of north. he jose maria tromp of barely 44 anja of edad owing to place one end at his life by of drink poison of kill.

the is let behind his casa y one child muher of criansa. one familiar owing to come haye awemainta one rato after cu ela drink the poison, because at once the holo stinki y penetrante of the poison owing to plama in cas. motibo of his decision do not conoci, but look like cu the have one month bad end y this will owing to afect'e. at hospital doctor not can owing to haci nothing another cu constata dead. sr. tromp was employee of blossoms restaurant. peace at his restonan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 14, 2009, 08:30:40 PM
I wonder if he was a relative of Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp.

(http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?oid=AAAAAQAQeByFqfj4Az7_Hs54Ax0_XAAAAArP5mroMMOTKNTiZmSGI6iA&size=normal)

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jose-Manuel-Vicenzo-Tromp/1803166416


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 14, 2009, 11:51:08 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee''s Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks, as always, to the faithful. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2009, 12:02:00 AM
 65 percent off...book by next Sunday....Yeah, right!!!  Desperation...Last minute sale.  BS      ::MonkeyMad::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 12:15:47 AM
English version of the article:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66336.php

Patrick van der Eem found guilty

11 Dec, 2009, 11:48 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Patrick van der Eem was sentenced by default on account of threatening and possession of marihuana. He was fined 2000 florins. Van der Eem was acquitted on possession of cocaine. The lab report with the outcome of the coke-test had namely not been added to the dossier. However, according to the Public Prosecutor it had only regarded 0.2 grams.

The Public Prosecutor had demanded a fine of 2400 florins. Van der Eem had been arrested on August 25th for possession of coke and marihuana and expressing a death threat and/or grievous bodily harm. Upon his arrest, he had possessed a user’s quantity of hashish and marihuana of 2.4 grams. According to the Public Prosecutor, the penal acts had occurred between August 14th and 24th. Van der Eem had received the offer from the Public Prosecutor to pay 2000 florins for these violations. However, as he did not pay this, justice decided to press charges against him.

Between August 14th and 17th, Van der Eem had seriously threatened a co-worker of the Westin hotel several times. The problems had arisen when he had refused to pay an addition 200 dollars which hotel guests are charged for smoking in their hotel room. Van der Eem had subsequently been put out of the hotel. However, he had returned regularly to threaten the co-worker. Van der Eem had supposedly told the victim that he would kill him or shoot him to death. According to the Public Prosecutor, he had expressed the following threat: “If I see you on the street, you will find out what will happen to you”. Van der Eem had also said: “Come to my car and then you will see what happens, I will shoot you down”.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 12:19:59 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee''s Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks, as always, to the faithful. 

Thank you for the reminder!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 12:57:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 15, 2009, 01:49:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!   ::MonkeyJustice::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 15, 2009, 02:04:42 AM
DH's relatives were scheduled to return today.  They stayed at the Marriott this past week.  Not sure they'd be aware of any celebration for Zeolla.  I will have to wait to see what kind of trip report they have, if any. 

Klaas gave me some boots and gloves/mittens.  Seems Bearlyhere was worried about me and maybe she was right.  Maybe I wouldn't have had that upper respiratory thingy if I was dressed properly for the weather. 

 ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::ElfMonkey::

I am sending the chicken soup right over to go with them, check for flying reindeer.  We have connections here, where do you think Santa got the idea of a red and white outfit?......from the Phillies, of course!

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::santawink::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 15, 2009, 08:21:33 AM
Is it just me, or isn't it a bit odd for someone to commit suicide by drinking poison?

That's a pretty painful way to go - and there are other, much less painful ways a person could remove themselves from this world.

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14534/5/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12142009_24Ora_Suicide_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio at calabas

monday, 14 december 2009 - 20:08

monday morning is open cu one caso regrettable of suicidio at calabas, in the people of north. he jose maria tromp of barely 44 anja of edad owing to place one end at his life by of drink poison of kill.

the is let behind his casa y one child muher of criansa. one familiar owing to come haye awemainta one rato after cu ela drink the poison, because at once the holo stinki y penetrante of the poison owing to plama in cas. motibo of his decision do not conoci, but look like cu the have one month bad end y this will owing to afect'e. at hospital doctor not can owing to haci nothing another cu constata dead. sr. tromp was employee of blossoms restaurant. peace at his restonan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 15, 2009, 02:13:04 PM
Is it just me, or isn't it a bit odd for someone to commit suicide by drinking poison?

That's a pretty painful way to go - and there are other, much less painful ways a person could remove themselves from this world.

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14534/5/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12142009_24Ora_Suicide_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio at calabas

monday, 14 december 2009 - 20:08

monday morning is open cu one caso regrettable of suicidio at calabas, in the people of north. he jose maria tromp of barely 44 anja of edad owing to place one end at his life by of drink poison of kill.

the is let behind his casa y one child muher of criansa. one familiar owing to come haye awemainta one rato after cu ela drink the poison, because at once the holo stinki y penetrante of the poison owing to plama in cas. motibo of his decision do not conoci, but look like cu the have one month bad end y this will owing to afect'e. at hospital doctor not can owing to haci nothing another cu constata dead. sr. tromp was employee of blossoms restaurant. peace at his restonan.

Jen, apparently in the US the most common suicide by poison is an overdose of drugs. Don't know if Aruba considers drugs a poison or not.

http://www.cdc.gov/NCIPC/factsheets/poisoning.htm

 
Poisoning in the United States: Fact Sheet

Overview
A poison is any substance that is harmful to your body when ingested (eaten), inhaled (breathed), injected, or absorbed through the skin. Any substance can be poisonous if enough is taken. This definition does not include adverse reactions to medications taken correctly.
Snipped


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
Is it just me, or isn't it a bit odd for someone to commit suicide by drinking poison?

That's a pretty painful way to go - and there are other, much less painful ways a person could remove themselves from this world.

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14534/5/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12142009_24Ora_Suicide_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio at calabas

monday, 14 december 2009 - 20:08

monday morning is open cu one caso regrettable of suicidio at calabas, in the people of north. he jose maria tromp of barely 44 anja of edad owing to place one end at his life by of drink poison of kill.

the is let behind his casa y one child muher of criansa. one familiar owing to come haye awemainta one rato after cu ela drink the poison, because at once the holo stinki y penetrante of the poison owing to plama in cas. motibo of his decision do not conoci, but look like cu the have one month bad end y this will owing to afect'e. at hospital doctor not can owing to haci nothing another cu constata dead. sr. tromp was employee of blossoms restaurant. peace at his restonan.

Jen, apparently in the US the most common suicide by poison is an overdose of drugs. Don't know if Aruba considers drugs a poison or not.

http://www.cdc.gov/NCIPC/factsheets/poisoning.htm

 
Poisoning in the United States: Fact Sheet

Overview
A poison is any substance that is harmful to your body when ingested (eaten), inhaled (breathed), injected, or absorbed through the skin. Any substance can be poisonous if enough is taken. This definition does not include adverse reactions to medications taken correctly.
Snipped

I was shocked at the manner of death chosen too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was thinking an actual "poison" rather than an overdose, because of the description of the strong odor of the poison in the house.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 02:52:18 PM
12/15/2009 Bondia Aruba Page 8

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12152009Bondia_page8_TamaraWaldron.jpg)

I knew I remembered that name for some reason!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 15, 2009, 05:12:54 PM
Thanks SuzieQ!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 15, 2009, 05:14:03 PM
12/15/2009 Bondia Aruba Page 8

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12152009Bondia_page8_TamaraWaldron.jpg)

I knew I remembered that name for some reason!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0


 ::MonkeyWink::  Oh yeah, she's a peach!  She was out in full force in under a week!!!  So does anyone else think this position was her reward?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 15, 2009, 05:19:55 PM
12/15/2009 Bondia Aruba Page 8

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12152009Bondia_page8_TamaraWaldron.jpg)

I knew I remembered that name for some reason!   ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0


 ::MonkeyWink::  Oh yeah, she's a peach!  She was out in full force in under a week!!!  So does anyone else think this position was her reward?  ::MonkeyCool::
Her reward and then some in MO! She will get Her other reward some day...But I don't think She will like it! Again JMO!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 05:37:52 PM
http://www.patrickmcmullan.com/site/search.aspx?t=person&s=Lewis+Black


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 05:53:27 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 06:19:16 PM
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Eddy Briesen has always been one of my most despised people in this sorry mess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 06:20:44 PM
http://guestofaguest.com/nyc-parties/aruba-ariba-lewis-black-bringing-aruba-back/

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Henry Baarh, Charly Ibarra, Nashma Booi, Edison Briesen, Tamara Waldron, Theresita Chai


Eddy Briesen has always been one of my most despised people in this sorry mess.

Mine too, he's a snake.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 10:01:37 PM
Magnolia and 10 Guests are viewing this board.

Good Evening, Guests! ::ElfMonkey::

Justice for Natalee ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 10:07:24 PM
Magnolia and 10 Guests are viewing this board.

Good Evening, Guests! ::ElfMonkey::

Justice for Natalee ::MonkeyJustice::

Good evening Magnolia! 

I guess I popped in while you were posting.   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

J4N!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_345.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Magnolia and 10 Guests are viewing this board.

Good Evening, Guests! ::ElfMonkey::

Justice for Natalee ::MonkeyJustice::

Good evening Magnolia! 

I guess I popped in while you were posting.   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

J4N!   ::MonkeyGavel::


 ::HelloKitty::
Hey TM.
Been mighty quiet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 10:50:18 PM
Magnolia and 10 Guests are viewing this board.

Good Evening, Guests! ::ElfMonkey::

Justice for Natalee ::MonkeyJustice::

Good evening Magnolia! 

I guess I popped in while you were posting.   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

J4N!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::HelloKitty::
Hey TM.
Been mighty quiet!

Yep, it has been.   ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 10:58:44 PM
Are you bout ready for Crimmus? ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 11:01:48 PM
Are you bout ready for Crimmus? ::santawink::

No, I'm not.  No shopping done, no Christmas tree yet.  It will all be a whirlwind next week I'm sure!
 
 ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 11:07:05 PM
Are you bout ready for Crimmus? ::santawink::

No, I'm not.  No shopping done, no Christmas tree yet.  It will all be a whirlwind next week I'm sure!
 
 ::ElfMonkey::


That makes it fun!  I love the whirlwind kind of Christmas. ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
I have done it all but the wrapping.  I'm not that crazy about that part.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2009, 11:14:32 PM
I've been peeking in.....also spent some time looking for something new.    ::MonkeyShovel::

As for the (OT) Christmas prep...I'm with TM and wondering if it will get done here, as well.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 11:15:23 PM
Are you bout ready for Crimmus? ::santawink::

No, I'm not.  No shopping done, no Christmas tree yet.  It will all be a whirlwind next week I'm sure!
 
 ::ElfMonkey::


That makes it fun!  I love the whirlwind kind of Christmas. ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
I have done it all but the wrapping.  I'm not that crazy about that part.

I don't know how much fun it will be...crazy is probably more like it!   ::snowmanlaugh::

I really dread the shopping.

And I imagine I'll do more pretty bags than wrapping at this point.  I really like wrapping and decorating the packages when I have time, but I won't have much time for it this year.

Good for you that you're done except the wrapping!  Just put on some good Christmas music and wrap a few at a time!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 11:18:34 PM
I've been peeking in.....also spent some time looking for something new.    ::MonkeyShovel::

As for the (OT) Christmas prep...I'm with TM and wondering if it will get done here, as well.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::snowmanlaugh::


How are you feeling?  Better I hope. ::ElfMonkey::

Don't worry....it will get done.  When the big day gets here, you will have done just enough! ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 11:21:25 PM
I've been peeking in.....also spent some time looking for something new.    ::MonkeyShovel::

As for the (OT) Christmas prep...I'm with TM and wondering if it will get done here, as well.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::snowmanlaugh::

Thanks 2NJ, glad I'm not the only one!   ::santawink::
I know you probably haven't felt like doing much, mine is just other things to be done first.  I've got to try to get it in gear this weekend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 15, 2009, 11:24:26 PM
I did a lot of internet shopping.   I got a notice in the mailbox last week that I had a package at the
post office.  Hudson and I went to pick it up and I had 24 packages there.

Hudson got a little crowded in the car. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 15, 2009, 11:31:19 PM
I've been peeking in.....also spent some time looking for something new.    ::MonkeyShovel::

As for the (OT) Christmas prep...I'm with TM and wondering if it will get done here, as well.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::snowmanlaugh::


How are you feeling?  Better I hope. ::ElfMonkey::

Don't worry....it will get done.  When the big day gets here, you will have done just enough! ::snowmanlaugh::

I'm feeling better, thanks, Magnolia.  I'm not 100% but getting there. (I do use Musinex, btw) Trying to rest more....and I'm not worried about getting everything done for the big day....but do want to bake some cookies yet....if I don't get to do all the shopping then will take the alternate route....it will work out.

TM, I've had a project here, too, that's had me occupied in the home.  It's time consuming and at times frustrating. 

G'nite...see you later...

Justice for Natalee. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
I've been peeking in.....also spent some time looking for something new.    ::MonkeyShovel::

As for the (OT) Christmas prep...I'm with TM and wondering if it will get done here, as well.    ::ElfMonkey::    ::snowmanlaugh::


How are you feeling?  Better I hope. ::ElfMonkey::

Don't worry....it will get done.  When the big day gets here, you will have done just enough! ::snowmanlaugh::

I'm feeling better, thanks, Magnolia.  I'm not 100% but getting there. (I do use Musinex, btw) Trying to rest more....and I'm not worried about getting everything done for the big day....but do want to bake some cookies yet....if I don't get to do all the shopping then will take the alternate route....it will work out.

TM, I've had a project here, too, that's had me occupied in the home.  It's time consuming and at times frustrating. 

G'nite...see you later...

Justice for Natalee. 



Good night 2NJ!  We'll get there!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Wow Magnolia!  I should have done some online too, but it's too late now!  I don't even have any idea what I'm going to be looking for to give some, so I'm just going to have to tough it out with the crowds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 15, 2009, 11:46:53 PM



Hi rjdeer!  I really appreciate all you do!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 15, 2009, 11:56:17 PM
Are you bout ready for Crimmus? ::santawink::

No, I'm not.  No shopping done, no Christmas tree yet.  It will all be a whirlwind next week I'm sure!
 
 ::ElfMonkey::


That makes it fun!  I love the whirlwind kind of Christmas. ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
I have done it all but the wrapping.  I'm not that crazy about that part.

O/T

1.  I love getting the tree early..get it always on December 1st.  I normally can pick out a tree in 5 minutes.  We always get it at Lowes.  Takes me a couple days to get it all decorated.  So by December 3rd or so the tree and outside lights are all up.

2.  HATE to shop in stores.  Been shopping online for years and years.  Have 98% of all that done with some stocking stuffer items left.

3.  I LOVE TO WRAP, so just about everything is already wrapped, just need to finish the ribbons and will probably do that tomorrow.

4.  I normally make my dough ornaments every year but I can't get motivated so will likely pass on it this year.

 ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
Are you bout ready for Crimmus? ::santawink::

No, I'm not.  No shopping done, no Christmas tree yet.  It will all be a whirlwind next week I'm sure!
 
 ::ElfMonkey::


That makes it fun!  I love the whirlwind kind of Christmas. ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
I have done it all but the wrapping.  I'm not that crazy about that part.

O/T

1.  I love getting the tree early..get it always on December 1st.  I normally can pick out a tree in 5 minutes.  We always get it at Lowes.  Takes me a couple days to get it all decorated.  So by December 3rd or so the tree and outside lights are all up.

2.  HATE to shop in stores.  Been shopping online for years and years.  Have 98% of all that done with some stocking stuffer items left.

3.  I LOVE TO WRAP, so just about everything is already wrapped, just need to finish the ribbons and will probably do that tomorrow.

4.  I normally make my dough ornaments every year but I can't get motivated so will likely pass on it this year.

 ::hohohosanta::

Good for you Klaas!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

When my boys were younger we made and decorated dough ornaments too, and then for years we made cinnamon/applesauce gingerbread boys/girls to put on the tree.  They smelled sooooo good!  I just don't have the counter space I used to so I don't take on those projects as much anymore.  But they sure were fun!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 16, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
Klaas, don't your dough ornaments last from year to year?

I have some that I made 10 years ago that are still in great shape. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 16, 2009, 12:33:11 AM
Evening, All,

Reading everything, working and lurking.

I like to do themes or colors for Christmas then rotate them so is different each year.  This year I am doing Nutcrackers for the first time.  Still have a lot to do, however.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 12:45:41 AM
Evening, All,

Reading everything, working and lurking.

I like to do themes or colors for Christmas then rotate them so is different each year.  This year I am doing Nutcrackers for the first time.  Still have a lot to do, however.

Hi Anna!  I love Nutcrackers, I add another to my collection every year.

I won't be getting them all out this year, not with the Jack Russell chewing monsters! That's one reason I haven't been in a hurry to put the tree up.  We were talking about it the other day and my oldest said he wouldn't be surprised if we found one of them in the top of the tree!  I'm trying to teach them manners but they have very short attention spans right now!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 01:06:12 AM
I found another mention of Natalee in the Dutch Parliament papers.

http://parlis.nl/pdf/kamerstukken/KST138071.pdf

Google translation:

2009-2010 Annual Meeting

32 186 (R1901)

Modification of several federal laws in related to the acquisition of the capacity of land within the Kingdom and Curacao by St. Maarten and the accession of Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba to the Dutch polity (Realm realm adaptation laws the creation of the new countries)


Nr. 5

REPORT Established November 26, 2009

The standing committee of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs 1 , responsible for the preliminary examination of this bill, has the honor following report of its findings. Provided that the Government asked the questions in time will have answered, the committee considers the public debate on this bill adequately prepared.

snip:

ARTICLE II CHAPTER 1. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND KONINKRJKSRELATIES

snip:

Article 1.3
Part N and S
As the explanatory memorandum to be drawn to this article
that is half installment further down in this bill
to change federal laws will be, ask the members of the
CDA Group.
The members of the PVV group find it odd that the Decision Research Council
Security - including the set, including to
derived from a number of EC directives, research obligations of the Board
- Generally not applicable in the public sector bodies
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius. Why was this chosen?
The members of the PVV group note that the explanatory memorandum
that is, except on defense, the Research Council for Safety
only power to the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba investigation
do if the Government of the Netherlands Antilles request.
It is proposed to maintain this over Aruba, Curacao,
and St. Maarten. These members consider this a bad thing.
These political reforms would be an opportunity to correct the
increasing powers of the Research Council on these islands
given the limited detection capabilities of the search on
Aruba (see the case Natalee Holloway).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 16, 2009, 01:14:55 AM
I found another mention of Natalee in the Dutch Parliament papers.

http://parlis.nl/pdf/kamerstukken/KST138071.pdf

Google translation:

2009-2010 Annual Meeting

32 186 (R1901)

Modification of several federal laws in related to the acquisition of the capacity of land within the Kingdom and Curacao by St. Maarten and the accession of Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba to the Dutch polity (Realm realm adaptation laws the creation of the new countries)


Nr. 5

REPORT Established November 26, 2009

The standing committee of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs 1 , responsible for the preliminary examination of this bill, has the honor following report of its findings. Provided that the Government asked the questions in time will have answered, the committee considers the public debate on this bill adequately prepared.

snip:

ARTICLE II CHAPTER 1. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND KONINKRJKSRELATIES

snip:

Article 1.3
Part N and S
As the explanatory memorandum to be drawn to this article
that is half installment further down in this bill
to change federal laws will be, ask the members of the
CDA Group.
The members of the PVV group find it odd that the Decision Research Council
Security - including the set, including to
derived from a number of EC directives, research obligations of the Board
- Generally not applicable in the public sector bodies
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius. Why was this chosen?
The members of the PVV group note that the explanatory memorandum
that is, except on defense, the Research Council for Safety
only power to the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba investigation
do if the Government of the Netherlands Antilles request.
It is proposed to maintain this over Aruba, Curacao,
and St. Maarten. These members consider this a bad thing.
These political reforms would be an opportunity to correct the
increasing powers of the Research Council on these islands
given the limited detection capabilities of the search on
Aruba (see the case Natalee Holloway).




We haven't heard anything on the report on Van der Straaten yet have we?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 01:28:08 AM
I found another mention of Natalee in the Dutch Parliament papers.

http://parlis.nl/pdf/kamerstukken/KST138071.pdf

Google translation:

2009-2010 Annual Meeting

32 186 (R1901)

Modification of several federal laws in related to the acquisition of the capacity of land within the Kingdom and Curacao by St. Maarten and the accession of Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba to the Dutch polity (Realm realm adaptation laws the creation of the new countries)


Nr. 5

REPORT Established November 26, 2009

The standing committee of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs 1 , responsible for the preliminary examination of this bill, has the honor following report of its findings. Provided that the Government asked the questions in time will have answered, the committee considers the public debate on this bill adequately prepared.

snip:

ARTICLE II CHAPTER 1. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND KONINKRJKSRELATIES

snip:

Article 1.3
Part N and S
As the explanatory memorandum to be drawn to this article
that is half installment further down in this bill
to change federal laws will be, ask the members of the
CDA Group.
The members of the PVV group find it odd that the Decision Research Council
Security - including the set, including to
derived from a number of EC directives, research obligations of the Board
- Generally not applicable in the public sector bodies
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius. Why was this chosen?
The members of the PVV group note that the explanatory memorandum
that is, except on defense, the Research Council for Safety
only power to the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba investigation
do if the Government of the Netherlands Antilles request.
It is proposed to maintain this over Aruba, Curacao,
and St. Maarten. These members consider this a bad thing.
These political reforms would be an opportunity to correct the
increasing powers of the Research Council on these islands
given the limited detection capabilities of the search on
Aruba (see the case Natalee Holloway).


We haven't heard anything on the report on Van der Straaten yet have we?

Nope, not a thing!   ::MonkeyMad::

Maybe they're waiting for him to finish all his public speaking appearances.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I'm still mad about the article with him speaking at that art exhibition, when the article was in Amigoe weeks ago that the investigation is complete, but there has not been any word about it since! 

Seeing him public speaking like that is just the same as  ::MonkeyTease:: to me!
 
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

I agree with Beth, he's corrupt to the core of his being. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 16, 2009, 02:04:32 AM
I really don't care where it comes from...
I just want Justice for Natalee....
I do believe it is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::
I'll hang around with Beth though...for 40 years if necessary...
Just in case aruba doesn't get it.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 02:06:36 AM
I really don't care where it comes from...
I just want Justice for Natalee....
I do believe it is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::
I'll hang around with Beth though...for 40 years if necessary...
Just in case aruba doesn't get it.....

I'm with ya billb!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 16, 2009, 02:12:06 AM
I really don't care where it comes from...
I just want Justice for Natalee....
I do believe it is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::
I'll hang around with Beth though...for 40 years if necessary...
Just in case aruba doesn't get it.....

I'm with ya billb!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::
Yup...That's why we are here!
Good Night TM....
I get my hopes up with Peter R dv.....
but then get another lesson in patience....
So, I'll wait as long as it takes..
Natalee will get Justice..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 02:35:29 AM
I really don't care where it comes from...
I just want Justice for Natalee....
I do believe it is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::
I'll hang around with Beth though...for 40 years if necessary...
Just in case aruba doesn't get it.....

I'm with ya billb!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::
Yup...That's why we are here!
Good Night TM....
I get my hopes up with Peter R dv.....
but then get another lesson in patience....
So, I'll wait as long as it takes..
Natalee will get Justice..... ::MonkeyAngel::

I know what you mean billb, I wish there had been more too.  But I'm trying to remember that a million people tuned in Sunday night and were reminded of the arrogance of Joran Van der Sloot, this time with law enforcement.  They saw and were reminded of Natalee, and I'm sure many of them had seen and heard his disrespectful disgusting dialogue about her in the previous show. 

I wanted more, but I'm thankful for Peter DeVries and his willingness to keep reminding his audience that there has been no Justice for Natalee in Aruba.

I won't give up hope, and I'll be patient too.  It will come!   ::MonkeyJustice::

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 16, 2009, 02:48:56 AM
I keep hoping with exposure of Joran and his smug arrogance that somebody who knows something is going to get their fill of him and rat him out.

Can always hope that happens, anyway.

Nite, all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 02:50:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_iiiejr-1.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 02:52:56 AM
I keep hoping with exposure of Joran and his smug arrogance that somebody who knows something is going to get their fill of him and rat him out.

Can always hope that happens, anyway.

Nite, all!

Me too Anna! 

Good night.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 16, 2009, 09:17:34 AM
Evening, All,

Reading everything, working and lurking.

I like to do themes or colors for Christmas then rotate them so is different each year.  This year I am doing Nutcrackers for the first time.  Still have a lot to do, however.

Hi Anna!  I love Nutcrackers, I add another to my collection every year.

I won't be getting them all out this year, not with the Jack Russell chewing monsters! That's one reason I haven't been in a hurry to put the tree up.  We were talking about it the other day and my oldest said he wouldn't be surprised if we found one of them in the top of the tree!  I'm trying to teach them manners but they have very short attention spans right now!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyWink::  It's not just right now honey.  My mom has two - a male and a female.  Male is 9 yrs old, female is 4.  Both are still terrors.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 16, 2009, 09:19:01 AM
I really don't care where it comes from...
I just want Justice for Natalee....
I do believe it is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::
I'll hang around with Beth though...for 40 years if necessary...
Just in case aruba doesn't get it.....

Hear Hear billb!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 16, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
Evening, All,

Reading everything, working and lurking.

I like to do themes or colors for Christmas then rotate them so is different each year.  This year I am doing Nutcrackers for the first time.  Still have a lot to do, however.

Hi Anna!  I love Nutcrackers, I add another to my collection every year.

I won't be getting them all out this year, not with the Jack Russell chewing monsters! That's one reason I haven't been in a hurry to put the tree up.  We were talking about it the other day and my oldest said he wouldn't be surprised if we found one of them in the top of the tree!  I'm trying to teach them manners but they have very short attention spans right now!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyWink::  It's not just right now honey.  My mom has two - a male and a female.  Male is 9 yrs old, female is 4.  Both are still terrors.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Good Morning, Monkeys!


Afraid she is right, TMom.  Jack Russels are just special that way.  The Westies I used to breed are sort of like Jacks on tranqulizers and I had one at age 9 jump up in a window and pull the blinds off to see the lawn mower. 

But Westies couldn't jump anywhere near as high as Jacks so I could put things up high and their short little legs couldn't make it, lol. 

Have you seen the Christmas trees that you hang from the ceiling?  For real, they have them now.


 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 16, 2009, 10:29:52 AM
I had a Cocker Spaniel named Harry that was the best of all Christmas dogs.  He loved Christmas
and would literally scream with delight when I started to get out the decorations every year.
Harry never bothered any of the decorations or presents unless the present had his name on the tag.
He never touched a thing with any other dog's name on it. 
I think he could read.   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 16, 2009, 11:11:12 AM
Klaas, don't your dough ornaments last from year to year?

I have some that I made 10 years ago that are still in great shape. ::ElfMonkey::

Yes they do but I've been making them since the late 70's and people expect them now each year.  My problem is my darn sister has a million grandkids and just the thought of making one for each wears me out, LOL. ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 16, 2009, 11:13:24 AM
Klaas, don't your dough ornaments last from year to year?

I have some that I made 10 years ago that are still in great shape. ::ElfMonkey::

Yes they do but I've been making them since the late 70's and people expect them now each year.  My problem is my darn sister has a million grandkids and just the thought of making one for each wears me out, LOL. ::snowmanlaugh::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 16, 2009, 11:25:06 AM
Good Morning...!

This makes me think about my cairn terrier (who died last year).  He would sniff presents and put a paw on anything that contained food.  Good dog...!

It has taken me two days to say I was disappointed in the PdeV show...I think because my expectations were too high.  That snotty, arrogant kid was seen for what he is....and how Beth described him that first night....so I guess that was
a good thing.

It is time for Aruba to stop all of this and send Natalee home.  Can they begin to see how much time, money and energy has been spent to continue this week after week, month after month.....and it is not working for them.  Give it up...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 16, 2009, 11:49:54 AM
Too cute, magnolia!  I've had some that did try to talk.


TxMom,

I don't post a lot but do want you to know that you are not posting news to yourself and I look over each and every article.  Some I don't even try to translate, just read what you highlight and the headlines.

And I am afraid their big corruption investigation is not at all what we would like it to be but more geared toward tracking down missing and unaccounted funding.  They are far more worried about their money than Natalee and so keep digging that hole they have made for themselves.

JMO and I sure hope I am wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 16, 2009, 11:54:42 AM
Good Morning MERE!

And to you as well, Jen.  I see you in the rafters.

I, too, thought poison a very poor choice for suicide.  Maybe the victim didn't know how painful it would be.

But you may recall the first year Natalee was missing there was an account of someone committing suicide by poison on the beach of all places.  Found that even stranger for some reason because who would think they were going to go down to the beach and drink poison?  Just seemed wrong at the time but that's what was ruled happened.

Wouldn't a drug overdose be so much easier?  Not like they have a shortage of drugs or anything.  Just OD on some that are rampant and even free in their many choller houses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 16, 2009, 12:21:31 PM
Good Morning...!

This makes me think about my cairn terrier (who died last year).  He would sniff presents and put a paw on anything that contained food.  Good dog...!

It has taken me two days to say I was disappointed in the PdeV show...I think because my expectations were too high.  That snotty, arrogant kid was seen for what he is....and how Beth described him that first night....so I guess that was
a good thing.

It is time for Aruba to stop all of this and send Natalee home.  Can they begin to see how much time, money and energy has been spent to continue this week after week, month after month.....and it is not working for them.  Give it up...!


I was very disappointed too, Mere.  I think, like you, I was expecting too much.
I am hopeful that Peter has more in store.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 16, 2009, 12:40:15 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 16, 2009, 12:50:40 PM
Of course Klaas is 98% done. I think I have finally uncovered her real idenity. She has got to be Samantha Stephens.

(Anyone too young to remember, the character on Bewitched)

 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 16, 2009, 12:55:39 PM
Klaas, I meant that as a compliment. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 16, 2009, 01:37:29 PM
Now..Why would someone need to use a Dutch proxy! ::snowmanlaugh::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 16, 2009, 02:04:37 PM
::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::

GOD BLESS THOSE WITH A SHOVEL...KEEP DIGGIN.....[/b] ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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I think she read the BALLS word and came running over here.
heh heh

BALLS LOU BALLS! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
English version of the article:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66429.php

Another Johan-broadcast from Peter R. Vries includes leaked out police video images

14 Dec, 2009, 08:40 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Nearly one million people had watched a new broadcast from reporter Peter R. de Vries yesterday on Joran van der Sloot, suspect in the missing person case of Natalee Holloway. The broadcast showed leaked out police video images from the interrogation on February 8th, 2008 which had been held at the police station Rotterdam-Rijnmond by, amongst others, commissioner and investigation leader Dolfi Richardson.

De Vries is not announcing how he had acquired the images. In the broadcast, the reporter states that the images had come into his possession and gives a ‘revealing glimpse’ of the behavior of Van der Sloot. The Aruban Prosecution Council (OM) could not say to what extent the broadcast could influence the still running investigation on the missing Holloway. According to the spokesperson, yesterday’s broadcast will be examined first. “There had been another meeting this morning”, says Ann Angela, who states that she cannot elaborate on this.
The police station Rotterdam-Rijnmond, where the interrogation had been held, refers to the Corps National Police Services (KLPD) and the Aruban OM for comment. “It is not our investigation, so we cannot say anything about this either, nor how the images had leaked out” according to spokesperson Huub Veeneman. He does not know whether the images had been in the possession of the police station Rotterdam-Rijnmond. “However, we should find out what had happened. That investigation naturally should not be held by us.” KLPD-spokeswoman Marjolein Ruitenbeek also refers to the Aruban OM. “I cannot comment on the case”. According to her, the images had not shown a KLPD-detective, though Peter R. de Vries announced such in the broadcast.

The broadcast shows how Van der Sloot had been interrogated for one and a half hour. He had voluntarily reported himself for interrogation after the controversial concealed camera interview with him had been broadcasted on February 3rd, 2008. During this interview, he had admitted to Patrick van der Eem to having dumped Holloway’s body. Later on, he had claimed that he had lied about this. Yesterday’s broadcasted interrogation shows that the police did not learn much more, as Van der Sloot refused to make a new statement. This led to frustration with the investigation leader Richardson. “I’m fed up with this. We shall start again; tell the truth. I did not come here to listen to this crap, sorry” says the Aruban commissioner when Van der Sloot continues to refer to previous made statements.



 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 16, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::ElfMonkey::

This is a list of the newly elected officers for AHATA, effective Feb 2010.

12/14/2009 Awe Mainta Page 21

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12142009AweMaintaPage21.jpg)


Alex - Mark Purcells old boss at Divi Resorts. He no longer works for them.
go figger.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 16, 2009, 02:37:00 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Using a Dutch proxy it is!  ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 16, 2009, 02:39:29 PM
DAWG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dood I miss yer face - I mean posts.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Using a Dutch proxy it is!  ::santawink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Lil rats are scurrying around...... ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 02:52:35 PM
Ben King crossed my mind once when I watched the officer leaving, but I don't think so.  There was another man that was outside of the court in some pictures from a while back that also resembles him.  I think he was described as an attorney iirc.

Just some quick shots I took from the footage:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 16, 2009, 04:13:29 PM
Hi mysterious and Patriot  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: snoopy on December 16, 2009, 04:30:52 PM
Oh Charter Communications.  I think I know who that is. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 16, 2009, 05:22:52 PM
Oh Charter Communications.  I think I know who that is. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think you're probably right!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 06:04:49 PM
Too cute, magnolia!  I've had some that did try to talk.


TxMom,

I don't post a lot but do want you to know that you are not posting news to yourself and I look over each and every article.  Some I don't even try to translate, just read what you highlight and the headlines.

And I am afraid their big corruption investigation is not at all what we would like it to be but more geared toward tracking down missing and unaccounted funding.  They are far more worried about their money than Natalee and so keep digging that hole they have made for themselves.

JMO and I sure hope I am wrong.

Thanks Anna!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Sad to say it, but you're probably right about the investigation.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 16, 2009, 06:43:57 PM
I don't think I ever weighed in on the Sunday DeVries' show. While, I was not overwhelmed (or whelmed at all) -- I DO think it was positive to keep Joran and Aruba on the public's conscious level. I also think it re-enforces that DeVries' is/was NOT on the ALE/Mos payroll. -JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 16, 2009, 06:49:49 PM
TM may have posted something on this...I don't remember.

Aruba Marriott Welcomes New VP and GM, Kevin Schwab

Small write up and other news here, including notice that the Beach Tennis Finals are next Sunday 12/20/09:

http://www.aruba.com/news/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 16, 2009, 06:52:49 PM
Yes, I now see that Kevin Schwab was listed on the AHATA elected directors that TM posted.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 06:56:26 PM
Yes, I now see that Kevin Schwab was listed on the AHATA elected directors that TM posted.    ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, I did post an article about Kevin Schwab being the new GM at Marriott.  I thought it seemed odd at the time but was working on several things at that time so I didn't think much about it.

I figured out later it was odd because I hadn't read anything about the Zeolla's leaving Aruba until after I'd posted that article!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: snoopy on December 16, 2009, 07:06:39 PM
Oh Charter Communications.  I think I know who that is. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think you're probably right!

Yea what a dissapointment.  nuff said. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 16, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Yes, I now see that Kevin Schwab was listed on the AHATA elected directors that TM posted.    ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, I did post an article about Kevin Schwab being the new GM at Marriott.  I thought it seemed odd at the time but was working on several things at that time so I didn't think much about it.

I figured out later it was odd because I hadn't read anything about the Zeolla's leaving Aruba until after I'd posted that article!



Aruba = Azz Backwards    ::snowmanlaugh:: ::hohohosanta::

DH's relatives have been back but I have yet to get a trip report (they stayed at the Marriott).  Hoping over the holidays I will be able to get some tidbits.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
Oh Charter Communications.  I think I know who that is. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think you're probably right!

Yea what a dissapointment.  nuff said. lol

:smt115  Now I think I know who you're talking about!  It was really the first one I thought of but I wasn't sure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 07:12:47 PM
Yes, I now see that Kevin Schwab was listed on the AHATA elected directors that TM posted.    ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, I did post an article about Kevin Schwab being the new GM at Marriott.  I thought it seemed odd at the time but was working on several things at that time so I didn't think much about it.

I figured out later it was odd because I hadn't read anything about the Zeolla's leaving Aruba until after I'd posted that article!



Aruba = Azz Backwards    ::snowmanlaugh:: ::hohohosanta::

DH's relatives have been back but I have yet to get a trip report (they stayed at the Marriott).  Hoping over the holidays I will be able to get some tidbits.

It will be interesting to see what they have to say!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 16, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
Oh Charter Communications.  I think I know who that is. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think you're probably right!

Yea what a dissapointment.  nuff said. lol

:smt115  Now I think I know who you're talking about!  It was really the first one I thought of but I wasn't sure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lease a loo....??     ::MonkeyDevil::     ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
Oh Charter Communications.  I think I know who that is. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think you're probably right!

Yea what a dissapointment.  nuff said. lol

:smt115  Now I think I know who you're talking about!  It was really the first one I thought of but I wasn't sure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lease a loo....??     ::MonkeyDevil::     ::ElfMonkey::

 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 09:20:23 PM
This is the guy I was talking about earlier.
For the longest I thought it was Ben King, but in the video (can't find it right now) he was labeled an attorney for Vandersloot iirc.  I think this is the day Joran was released and Richie Kock was at the VDS home (when Anita kicked him).

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT1.jpg)

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT4.jpg)

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT9.jpg)

Seems to like pastel colors too!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 09:25:35 PM
Probably not the same guy, now that I've looked at them closer together.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 16, 2009, 09:36:30 PM
Probably not the same guy, now that I've looked at them closer together.  JMO

Yeah, the 1st guy's nose is wide...2nd = pointy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 16, 2009, 11:32:09 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 16, 2009, 11:45:11 PM
AMEN!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to the faithful.... ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 17, 2009, 07:50:34 AM
I don't think I ever weighed in on the Sunday DeVries' show. While, I was not overwhelmed (or whelmed at all) -- I DO think it was positive to keep Joran and Aruba on the public's conscious level. I also think it re-enforces that DeVries' is/was NOT on the ALE/Mos payroll. -JMO

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 17, 2009, 07:52:41 AM
AMEN!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks to the faithful.... ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks to you 2NJ.  Glad you are on the mend. ::MonkeySkate:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 17, 2009, 08:41:50 AM
Good Morning Monkeys.

Happy Almost Friday!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: antunym on December 17, 2009, 10:15:42 AM
This is the guy I was talking about earlier.
For the longest I thought it was Ben King, but in the video (can't find it right now) he was labeled an attorney for Vandersloot iirc.  I think this is the day Joran was released and Richie Kock was at the VDS home (when Anita kicked him).

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT1.jpg)

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT4.jpg)

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/BLUESHIRT9.jpg)

Seems to like pastel colors too!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Hi texasmom
This looks like the same guy in Bastibro's avi


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on December 17, 2009, 12:54:15 PM
PART 2


Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007
Reply #563 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:49 AM bleachedblack
Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins. Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=818.msg115420#msg115420


DAVE WENT BACK TO ARUBA OCTOBER 2005 BASED UPON A TIP TO SEARCH THE OCEAN - WHO WAS THE LEAK?
 

FOLLOW THE DATES

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
des cription: witness statement



"I left for Aruba again early on October 18, 2005. Tim Miller and his searchers came along, as did Art Wood.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 166)




KOEN IS AT THE RACQUET CLUB WITH JORAN
IN HIS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
(Source: Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - p. 9)


We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalie and that they either left her at the boat launch or at the lighthouse. From there, they supposedly went to a field
area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move. According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fisherman huts to get a steel cage
to put Natalie into; they then used the boat to carry her about two to 3 miles out into the ocean and dropped her there. The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.
He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill. In preparation for the search, I met with the Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruban Tourism Association, and some political leaders and arranged to get some boats and hotel rooms.
Thankfully, we were able to get people onto flights, and once they arrived we began the process of searching.

Starting from the area in front of the hotel, we plan to search up to 5 miles out into the ocean.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 167-168)


Slowly more evidence was coming to light. We heard more about the cage that was stolen from the fisherman huts. On the night after Natalie disappeared, three out of four fishermans huts on the beach near where she and Joran allegedly went were burglarized. Missing from one of the huts was a knife and a cage used to trap fish. Supposedly the fishermen forgot until much later to report the incident. He finally called it in but was not contacted back. Apparently the cage was made of wire and had an opening at one end were the fish enter and cannot get back out. It was usually weighted and baited and put in the water with a buoy to mark its location. It was big enough to hold the human body,
and the theory is that Natalie was put in there and taken out to sea. In an e-mail I had received, someone discussing the cages stated that a lock was broken, and the net was used to dump Natalie 2 miles offshore.
(Source: Dave Holloway pages 76-77)



August 30 Koen gives a statement (one of 4)


October - Dave goes back to Aruba to search the ocean based on a tip he received in an email.

subajap - begins posting lies that Natalee ran off with Blue-eyed Dutch boy, Lions Den is baloney, etc. etc.

Dompig tells Dave and Tim to search in ocean off the lighthouse area!
NOT WHERE WE KNOW THAT NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN IN OUR FACES OF EVIL DOCUMENT.

Now that is known that Dave has received this information from
Koens interview on the 30th, Koen's father does not let him be interviewed again after that..........

They sell the boat, they sell their house, and they leave the island and move to GA. Sander enrolls in school. I know from having an old photo of Sander that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the background of that photo and it seemed like it was in the U.S. by the houses and cars and not in Aruba. That told me that the family either had lived in the U.S. at one time or vacationed in the U.S. and/or had family here. It makes sense that they left Aruba and came to the U.S.

Dave left Aruba with Tim Miller having not searched the right area and with a lot of opposition from Dompig who would not allow FBI to come in and search.


in his book Joran seems to forget
the places he stopped to occupy that time
that he needed an excuse for his being out in the boat



Kermit, I am interested in your opinion on what was in the "evidence" bag.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyGavel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: antunym on December 17, 2009, 01:47:52 PM
PART 2


Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007
Reply #563 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:49 AM bleachedblack
Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins. Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=818.msg115420#msg115420


DAVE WENT BACK TO ARUBA OCTOBER 2005 BASED UPON A TIP TO SEARCH THE OCEAN - WHO WAS THE LEAK?
 

FOLLOW THE DATES

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30
pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
des cription: witness statement



"I left for Aruba again early on October 18, 2005. Tim Miller and his searchers came along, as did Art Wood.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 166)




KOEN IS AT THE RACQUET CLUB WITH JORAN
IN HIS BOOK HE SAYS HE GETS TO THE WYNDHAM AT 6:45,
approximately an hour and 15 minutes difference in time

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
(Source: Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - p. 9)


We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalie and that they either left her at the boat launch or at the lighthouse. From there, they supposedly went to a field
area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move. According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fisherman huts to get a steel cage
to put Natalie into; they then used the boat to carry her about two to 3 miles out into the ocean and dropped her there. The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.
He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill. In preparation for the search, I met with the Hotel and Tourism Association, the Aruban Tourism Association, and some political leaders and arranged to get some boats and hotel rooms.
Thankfully, we were able to get people onto flights, and once they arrived we began the process of searching.

Starting from the area in front of the hotel, we plan to search up to 5 miles out into the ocean.
(Source: Dave Holloway page 167-168)


Slowly more evidence was coming to light. We heard more about the cage that was stolen from the fisherman huts. On the night after Natalie disappeared, three out of four fishermans huts on the beach near where she and Joran allegedly went were burglarized. Missing from one of the huts was a knife and a cage used to trap fish. Supposedly the fishermen forgot until much later to report the incident. He finally called it in but was not contacted back. Apparently the cage was made of wire and had an opening at one end were the fish enter and cannot get back out. It was usually weighted and baited and put in the water with a buoy to mark its location. It was big enough to hold the human body,
and the theory is that Natalie was put in there and taken out to sea. In an e-mail I had received, someone discussing the cages stated that a lock was broken, and the net was used to dump Natalie 2 miles offshore.
(Source: Dave Holloway pages 76-77)



August 30 Koen gives a statement (one of 4)


October - Dave goes back to Aruba to search the ocean based on a tip he received in an email.

subajap - begins posting lies that Natalee ran off with Blue-eyed Dutch boy, Lions Den is baloney, etc. etc.

Dompig tells Dave and Tim to search in ocean off the lighthouse area!
NOT WHERE WE KNOW THAT NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN IN OUR FACES OF EVIL DOCUMENT.

Now that is known that Dave has received this information from
Koens interview on the 30th, Koen's father does not let him be interviewed again after that..........

They sell the boat, they sell their house, and they leave the island and move to GA. Sander enrolls in school. I know from having an old photo of Sander that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the background of that photo and it seemed like it was in the U.S. by the houses and cars and not in Aruba. That told me that the family either had lived in the U.S. at one time or vacationed in the U.S. and/or had family here. It makes sense that they left Aruba and came to the U.S.

Dave left Aruba with Tim Miller having not searched the right area and with a lot of opposition from Dompig who would not allow FBI to come in and search.


in his book Joran seems to forget
the places he stopped to occupy that time
that he needed an excuse for his being out in the boat



Kermit, I am interested in your opinion on what was in the "evidence" bag.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyGavel::





It is very well assumed that the gottenboes were involved in or knew about the diposal..... and with the tip Dave got shouldn't he have known pretty specifically where the cage containing the remains was located?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 17, 2009, 05:34:09 PM
 

Interval International Welcomes First Whole Ownership Resort Community in Aruba

 Companies:Interval Leisure Group, Inc.
Press Release Source: Interval International On Thursday December 17, 2009, 3:09 pm EST
MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Interval International, a leading global provider of vacation services and an operating segment of Interval Leisure Group (Nasdaq:IILG - News), today announced the addition of Gold Coast Aruba, to its vacation exchange network. The master-planned resort community will feature 270 whole ownership villas and townhouses in the island's Malmok area. It is the only development of its kind in Aruba that offers purchasers Interval’s upgraded membership program, Interval Gold®.

“Gold Coast Aruba will be selling its whole ownership product to an upscale clientele and we’re glad to be able to support them with our enhanced membership benefit product, which is specifically tailored to an affluent consumer,” said David Gilbert, executive vice president of resort sales and marketing for Interval International.

The resort community is located on 26 acres just a few minutes away from the scenic northwest coastline, and its architecture and interior design reflect a Mediterranean style with a contemporary Caribbean touch. It includes two- and three-bedroom townhomes and three-bedroom villas with well-appointed, spacious living and dining areas, state-of-the-art kitchens and bathrooms, large balconies, and secluded patios. The two-story townhomes range in size from approximately 900 to 1,600 square feet, while the villas have around 1,800 to 3,200 square feet of space.

“Gold Coast Aruba is situated in a very desirable area and features quality accommodations as well as a wide array of amenities that one would expect to find at a luxury resort,” said Fito Croes, director of sales and marketing for the property. “All owners will gain access to Interval’s valuable membership benefits, and those who participate in the rental program also will have the ability to trade their time for a comparable vacation experience at one of hundreds of quality resorts worldwide.”

Scheduled for completion in 2010 and 2011 is an amenity complex anchored by a multi-million-dollar clubhouse with a full-service spa, water feature, and infinity pool; a state-of-the-art fitness center; and two lighted tennis courts. The Tierra del Sol championship golf course, designed by Robert Trent Jones II, is conveniently located across from the property.

Membership in Interval Gold® further reinforces the value of ownership by giving new purchasers the opportunity to exchange their accommodations for those at other resorts in Interval’s worldwide network, as well as the ability to relinquish their resort weeks toward the purchase of cruise, golf, and spa vacations. They also enjoy an extensive menu of benefits, including discounts on resort Getaways, ShortStay ExchangeSM, access to a personal concierge service available 24 hours a day via phone and e-mail, complimentary Hertz #1 Gold® membership, and worldwide hotel and dining discounts.

Interval International operates membership programs for vacation owners and provides value-added services to its developer clients worldwide. Based in Miami, Florida, the company has been a pioneer and innovator in serving the vacation ownership market for more than 33 years. Today, Interval has a network of approximately 2,500 resorts in more than 75 countries and offers its resort clients and about 2 million member families high-quality products and programs through offices in 26 cities in 16 countries. Interval is an operating segment of Interval Leisure Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: IILG - News), a leading global provider of membership and leisure services to the vacation industry.



Contact:
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Interval-International-bw-2362958199.html?x=0&.v=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 17, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66497.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

The Aruban Resort bankrupt

December 17, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban Resort The hotel is declared bankrupt. The bankruptcy was around half past ten this morning morning officially by the judge. The hotel was originally scheduled for Friday the time to financing packages. The owners were yesterday however, know "that it would not succeed". 76 employees of the hotel had started proceedings in the bankruptcy of the hotel required, if not their salaries came over the bridge.

The judge then decides that The Aruban 48 hours at the time would get the money needed to get together. The hotel has a long time in financial trouble, this was not done. This allowed the owners of the hotel yesterday to their lawyer Anthony Ruiz know. What exactly do the staff is still unclear. According to Gomez they are today working at the hotel, although they have not received three salaries. "It is now in the hands of the curators," says Gomez. There are now two curators appointed Ari Swaen and Winfried Croes. There were two companies expressing interest to the hotel to take over, but here is further negotiated by the union president said Rudy Geerman FTA. It would be a local and a foreign investor.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 17, 2009, 10:28:09 PM
The buticam is empty on many days -

http://www.bucuticam.com/ (http://www.bucuticam.com/)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 17, 2009, 10:29:45 PM
Valentijn's latest...

http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 17, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
A few other websites with cams -

http://www.radisson.com/arubawebcam (http://www.radisson.com/arubawebcam)

http://www.arubawebcams.tv/ (http://www.arubawebcams.tv/)

Is this the low season for the island?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 17, 2009, 10:41:35 PM
Valentijn's latest...

http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&hl=en_US&fs=1&


HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ..................................that was lame.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 17, 2009, 10:50:48 PM
Valentijn's latest...

http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&hl=en_US&fs=1&


HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ..................................that was lame.

Did he suffer from bad dreams?  PTS?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 17, 2009, 10:54:44 PM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 17, 2009, 10:58:30 PM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)
Actually, the more I digest this ...... the more intrigued I am!!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 17, 2009, 11:01:16 PM
Valentijn's latest...

http://www.youtube.com/v/TWwUHEjgmIc&hl=en_US&fs=1&


HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ..................................that was lame.

I didn't quite understand all of it but a newscast talked about a 15 year old girl dying and an 18 year old boy dying outside a nightclub mysteriously.  Kind of gave me the creeps.  Was the guy feeling guilty about something or what?

That was the final product, this happened while they were making it.
They were lucky that the cops responded as they did, otherwise they might not have found it quite so funny afterward.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
 

http://www.youtube.com/v/8xS7mBgWFww&hl=en_US&fs=1&

Vtijn
December 03, 2009
(less info)
Oops. The cops showed up while I was shooting a victim yelling HELP ME in a dark alleyway. I guess it was to be expected. My bad. Video coming soon.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 17, 2009, 11:12:55 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Video while someone is needing help.   GMAFB

Sick BStard.

I think it's time for this ole monkey to go nawnies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 17, 2009, 11:33:46 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Video while someone is needing help.   GMAFB

Sick BStard.

I think it's time for this ole monkey to go nawnies.

It was all staged for the so called "movie" 2NJ, but apparently someone heard the screams and called it in.  Val thought he was so cool keeping the tape rolling when the cops responded.  He might not have thought he was so cool if he'd have been on the ground speading 'em and explaining WTH they were doing.  But then again, the sloots would have probably tried to get some compensation from it.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Does going nawnies mean good night?   ::snowmanlaugh::

If so, good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 17, 2009, 11:38:43 PM
 
HOUSTON -- Texas financier R. Allen Stanford's trial on charges he bilked investors out of $7 billion as part of a massive Ponzi scheme will begin in January 2011, a federal judge ruled Thursday.

The date chosen by U.S. District Judge David Hittner is earlier than the summer of 2011, which was requested by attorneys for Stanford and three other executives of the now-defunct Stanford Financial Group. Defense attorneys had argued they needed the extra time to sort through 5.5 million documents to prepare their cases.


Prosecutors wanted to go to trial next September.

"It's been six months since this case was indicted. It's time for a trial date. (The scheme's alleged) victims have a strong interest in this case moving along," said prosecutor Gregg Costa.

Hittner said there were going to be no more delays.

"One way or another the case has to be tried," he said.

Stanford and other executives of the now-defunct Houston-based Stanford Financial Group are accused of orchestrating a Ponzi scheme by advising clients to invest more than $7 billion in certificates of deposit from the Stanford International Bank on the Caribbean island of Antigua.

Investors from 113 countries were promised huge returns on their CDs and that their investments were safe.

But authorities say Stanford and the executives fabricated the bank's balance sheets, bribed Antiguan regulators and misused investors' money to pay for his lavish lifestyle.

Stanford and the three executives have pleaded not guilty.

Another former executive, James M. Davis, has pleaded guilty and is cooperating with prosecutors.

After setting the trial date, Hittner held another hearing on whether attorneys' fees in the case will be paid by an insurance policy Stanford's company had to pay for legal fees if executives were ever accused of crimes.

Attorneys for the insurance company, Lloyd's of London, told Hittner the policy doesn't pay on allegations of money laundering. One of the charges Stanford and the other executives face is conspiracy to commit money laundering.

But attorneys for Stanford and the executives argued the allegations have not been proven and if the policy is denied, taxpayers would be stuck footing the bill for attorneys' fees because the lawyers would have to be court-appointed.

Kent Schaffer, Stanford's attorney, said he and the lawyers for the other indicted executives believe if they are not privately paid for their work it could delay the case even more.

Lloyd's of London attorneys estimate legal fees could be as much as $100 million but Schaffer said the total is actually closer to $20 to $30 million for all four defendants.

Hittner did not make a ruling on the issue but instead ordered attorneys from both sides to submit additional motions by Jan. 7.

Stanford, 59, who was unshaven and wore a green prison jumpsuit, looked healthier than the last few times he's been in court.

Since being jailed in June, Stanford has suffered various health problems and has been hospitalized at least twice. In August, he had an irregular heartbeat and high pulse. Medical tests detected a non-life-threatening aneurysm in his leg. In September, he suffered a concussion, broken nose and two black eyes after getting into a jail fight. During a court hearing in October, Stanford wiped away blood from his mouth and chin. His attorney blamed it on stress.

"He's feeling a little bit better," Schaffer said.


(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7176617


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 17, 2009, 11:44:49 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Video while someone is needing help.   GMAFB

Sick BStard.

I think it's time for this ole monkey to go nawnies.

It was all staged for the so called "movie" 2NJ, but apparently someone heard the screams and called it in.  Val thought he was so cool keeping the tape rolling when the cops responded.  He might not have thought he was so cool if he'd have been on the ground speading 'em and explaining WTH they were doing.  But then again, the sloots would have probably tried to get some compensation from it.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Does going nawnies mean good night?   ::snowmanlaugh::

If so, good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Still, the thought of someone needing help and some dumb as a stump person videoing is absurd.

Making/going nawnies is 'going to sleep'....and I'm on my way.    ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 17, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
 
HOUSTON -- Texas financier R. Allen Stanford's trial on charges he bilked investors out of $7 billion as part of a massive Ponzi scheme will begin in January 2011, a federal judge ruled Thursday.

The date chosen by U.S. District Judge David Hittner is earlier than the summer of 2011, which was requested by attorneys for Stanford and three other executives of the now-defunct Stanford Financial Group. Defense attorneys had argued they needed the extra time to sort through 5.5 million documents to prepare their cases.


Prosecutors wanted to go to trial next September.

"It's been six months since this case was indicted. It's time for a trial date. (The scheme's alleged) victims have a strong interest in this case moving along," said prosecutor Gregg Costa.

Hittner said there were going to be no more delays.

"One way or another the case has to be tried," he said.

Stanford and other executives of the now-defunct Houston-based Stanford Financial Group are accused of orchestrating a Ponzi scheme by advising clients to invest more than $7 billion in certificates of deposit from the Stanford International Bank on the Caribbean island of Antigua.

Investors from 113 countries were promised huge returns on their CDs and that their investments were safe.

But authorities say Stanford and the executives fabricated the bank's balance sheets, bribed Antiguan regulators and misused investors' money to pay for his lavish lifestyle.

Stanford and the three executives have pleaded not guilty.

Another former executive, James M. Davis, has pleaded guilty and is cooperating with prosecutors.

After setting the trial date, Hittner held another hearing on whether attorneys' fees in the case will be paid by an insurance policy Stanford's company had to pay for legal fees if executives were ever accused of crimes.

Attorneys for the insurance company, Lloyd's of London, told Hittner the policy doesn't pay on allegations of money laundering. One of the charges Stanford and the other executives face is conspiracy to commit money laundering.

But attorneys for Stanford and the executives argued the allegations have not been proven and if the policy is denied, taxpayers would be stuck footing the bill for attorneys' fees because the lawyers would have to be court-appointed.

Kent Schaffer, Stanford's attorney, said he and the lawyers for the other indicted executives believe if they are not privately paid for their work it could delay the case even more.

Lloyd's of London attorneys estimate legal fees could be as much as $100 million but Schaffer said the total is actually closer to $20 to $30 million for all four defendants.

Hittner did not make a ruling on the issue but instead ordered attorneys from both sides to submit additional motions by Jan. 7.

Stanford, 59, who was unshaven and wore a green prison jumpsuit, looked healthier than the last few times he's been in court.

Since being jailed in June, Stanford has suffered various health problems and has been hospitalized at least twice. In August, he had an irregular heartbeat and high pulse. Medical tests detected a non-life-threatening aneurysm in his leg. In September, he suffered a concussion, broken nose and two black eyes after getting into a jail fight. During a court hearing in October, Stanford wiped away blood from his mouth and chin. His attorney blamed it on stress.

"He's feeling a little bit better," Schaffer said.


(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7176617

Thanks, hotping....looks like Stanford has had some rough times in the hokey....too bad, so sad.  C'est la vie. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 17, 2009, 11:49:14 PM
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Video while someone is needing help.   GMAFB

Sick BStard.

I think it's time for this ole monkey to go nawnies.

It was all staged for the so called "movie" 2NJ, but apparently someone heard the screams and called it in.  Val thought he was so cool keeping the tape rolling when the cops responded.  He might not have thought he was so cool if he'd have been on the ground speading 'em and explaining WTH they were doing.  But then again, the sloots would have probably tried to get some compensation from it.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Does going nawnies mean good night?   ::snowmanlaugh::

If so, good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Still, the thought of someone needing help and some dumb as a stump person videoing is absurd.

Making/going nawnies is 'going to sleep'....and I'm on my way.    ::snowmanlaugh::

I agree 2NJ, the subject matter is definitely questionable, along with the cameraman IMO.   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm not far behind you 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 17, 2009, 11:49:24 PM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)
Actually, the more I digest this ...... the more intrigued I am!!  ::MonkeyShocked::


I think the boy loosely represents Joran and the haunting nightmares that he has about Natalee.
Val has witnessed that firsthand.  Maybe Val has the dreams too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)
Actually, the more I digest this ...... the more intrigued I am!!  ::MonkeyShocked::


I think the boy loosely represents Joran and the haunting nightmares that he has about Natalee.
Val has witnessed that firsthand.  Maybe Val has the dreams too.

Could be Magnolia.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 18, 2009, 12:30:55 AM
I guess what I should have said is that I think this was an assignment to write a screenplay and film it.

The TV in the background is part of the script.

Ideas usually come from real life experiences.  Maybe Val heard Natalee scream "help me" while she
was at the Van der Sloot house.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 12:37:36 AM
I guess what I should have said is that I think this was an assignment to write a screenplay and film it.

The TV in the background is part of the script.

Ideas usually come from real life experiences.  Maybe Val heard Natalee scream "help me" while she
was at the Van der Sloot house. 
JMO

If he did, I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 12:39:56 AM


Good night Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::

TGIF!  almost anyway!   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 12:40:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 18, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)
Actually, the more I digest this ...... the more intrigued I am!!  ::MonkeyShocked::


I think the boy loosely represents Joran and the haunting nightmares that he has about Natalee.
Val has witnessed that firsthand.  Maybe Val has the dreams too.
paulass and anita....what Great Role Models...
may they all have nightmares....
paulass sloot set the stage for urine and family....they can wallow in it forever... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 12:51:33 AM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)
Actually, the more I digest this ...... the more intrigued I am!!  ::MonkeyShocked::


I think the boy loosely represents Joran and the haunting nightmares that he has about Natalee.
Val has witnessed that firsthand.  Maybe Val has the dreams too.
paulass and anita....what Great Role Models...
may they all have nightmares....
paulass sloot set the stage for urine and family....they can wallow in it forever... ::MonkeyMad::

 ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 18, 2009, 12:59:02 AM
Hello KTF...Good to see you..... ::MonkeyFootball::

Good Night Good Monkeys.....
FWIW....I miss Janet...wish some could find it in their hearts to let all express opinions...without judgments.....

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:07:12 AM
Hello KTF...Good to see you..... ::MonkeyFootball::

Good Night Good Monkeys.....
FWIW....I miss Janet...wish some could find it in their hearts to let all express opinions...without judgments.....

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Evening BillB.Hope all is well with you and the family!Holidays are a time to reflect on the the wonderful things the lord has blessed us with.Dialogue is where it's at... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 18, 2009, 01:36:58 AM
Hello KTF...Good to see you..... ::MonkeyFootball::

Good Night Good Monkeys.....
FWIW....I miss Janet...wish some could find it in their hearts to let all express opinions...without judgments.....

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Evening BillB.Hope all is well with you and the family!Holidays are a time to reflect on the the wonderful things the lord has blessed us with.Dialogue is where it's at... ::MonkeyCool::
Dialogue is where it's at...
Agree completely Keepthefaith...
God Bless you and your family...Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:40:48 AM
Hello KTF...Good to see you..... ::MonkeyFootball::

Good Night Good Monkeys.....
FWIW....I miss Janet...wish some could find it in their hearts to let all express opinions...without judgments.....

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Evening BillB.Hope all is well with you and the family!Holidays are a time to reflect on the the wonderful things the lord has blessed us with.Dialogue is where it's at... ::MonkeyCool::
Dialogue is where it's at...
Agree completely Keepthefaith...
God Bless you and your family...Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.... ::MonkeyAngel::
GoodNight & God Bless...

Sending prayers LifeSongs way..Miss ya!U 2 BlueMoon! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 18, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
Interesting though.... the main character is feeling guilty and having bad dreams about the death of an 18 year old girl. (listen to the TV at the very beginning)

It's actually the death of a 15 year old girl, and the "mysterious death" of an 18 year old male outside a night club.

I'm also intrigued!!! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 18, 2009, 08:30:13 AM
I guess what I should have said is that I think this was an assignment to write a screenplay and film it.

The TV in the background is part of the script.

Ideas usually come from real life experiences.  Maybe Val heard Natalee scream "help me" while she
was at the Van der Sloot house. 
JMO

If he did, I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life!   ::MonkeyMad::

Wasn't it Val who had posted something somewhere back in 2005 about Natalee bleeding in their bathtub?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 18, 2009, 08:33:36 AM


I didn't quite understand all of it but a newscast talked about a 15 year old girl dying and an 18 year old boy dying outside a nightclub mysteriously.  Kind of gave me the creeps.  Was the guy feeling guilty about something or what?

That was the final product, this happened while they were making it.
They were lucky that the cops responded as they did, otherwise they might not have found it quite so funny afterward.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
 



Vtijn
December 03, 2009
(less info)
Oops. The cops showed up while I was shooting a victim yelling HELP ME in a dark alleyway. I guess it was to be expected. My bad. Video coming soon.



What fried me was Val laughing after the officer gave them the What For about doing something so completely thoughtless as this.

I'm thinking the Boston police responding as they did was something new to Val - and probably shocked him.

I also noticed he made mention of legal vs illegal in what they were doing.

I'm more convinced than ever that Papa Sloot has taught his boys about the law - and how to evade it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 18, 2009, 09:14:12 AM


I didn't quite understand all of it but a newscast talked about a 15 year old girl dying and an 18 year old boy dying outside a nightclub mysteriously.  Kind of gave me the creeps.  Was the guy feeling guilty about something or what?

That was the final product, this happened while they were making it.
They were lucky that the cops responded as they did, otherwise they might not have found it quite so funny afterward.

 ::MonkeyRoll::
 



Vtijn
December 03, 2009
(less info)
Oops. The cops showed up while I was shooting a victim yelling HELP ME in a dark alleyway. I guess it was to be expected. My bad. Video coming soon.



What fried me was Val laughing after the officer gave them the What For about doing something so completely thoughtless as this.

I'm thinking the Boston police responding as they did was something new to Val - and probably shocked him.

I also noticed he made mention of legal vs illegal in what they were doing.

I'm more convinced than ever that Papa Sloot has taught his boys about the law - and how to evade it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yeah, I'm sure he was completely taken aback that the Police were actually concerned about a possible crime VICTIM instead of abetting the Perps.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 18, 2009, 09:51:18 AM
I guess what I should have said is that I think this was an assignment to write a screenplay and film it.

The TV in the background is part of the script.

Ideas usually come from real life experiences.  Maybe Val heard Natalee scream "help me" while she
was at the Van der Sloot house. 
JMO

If he did, I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life!   ::MonkeyMad::

Wasn't it Val who had posted something somewhere back in 2005 about Natalee bleeding in their bathtub?


Yep, something about her head above the eyebrows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: BoxerDawg on December 18, 2009, 11:31:56 AM
I guess what I should have said is that I think this was an assignment to write a screenplay and film it.

The TV in the background is part of the script.

Ideas usually come from real life experiences.  Maybe Val heard Natalee scream "help me" while she
was at the Van der Sloot house. 
JMO

If he did, I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life!   ::MonkeyMad::

Wasn't it Val who had posted something somewhere back in 2005 about Natalee bleeding in their bathtub?


Yep, something about her head above the eyebrows.

I bet this has been posted before but when I searched the net for Val's name, this link displayed.  Sorry, I don't know how to make it a hot link.  Just wanted to be sure it had been posted.  He has to have little demons running around in his head.

http://www.emerson.edu/egn/community/undergraduate/Valentijn-Van-Der-Sloot.cfm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 18, 2009, 12:28:10 PM
What's the difference in Tiger Woods and Santa Clause?

Santa usually stops at three Hos   ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 18, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
I guess what I should have said is that I think this was an assignment to write a screenplay and film it.

The TV in the background is part of the script.

Ideas usually come from real life experiences.  Maybe Val heard Natalee scream "help me" while she
was at the Van der Sloot house. 
JMO

If he did, I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life!   ::MonkeyMad::

Wasn't it Val who had posted something somewhere back in 2005 about Natalee bleeding in their bathtub?


Yep, something about her head above the eyebrows.

I bet this has been posted before but when I searched the net for Val's name, this link displayed.  Sorry, I don't know how to make it a hot link.  Just wanted to be sure it had been posted.  He has to have little demons running around in his head.

http://www.emerson.edu/egn/community/undergraduate/Valentijn-Van-Der-Sloot.cfm

Thanks....it's been posted a few times since we've known he would be going to school there. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 18, 2009, 12:38:54 PM
What's the difference in Tiger Woods and Santa Clause?

Santa usually stops at three Hos   ::hohohosanta::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 12:57:43 PM
May mean nothing but,found it interesting to say the least... ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on December 18, 2009, 01:01:07 PM
sorry for not getting back about the Peter R. de Vries program.
I am very busy right now.
I see EURobert gave a detailed summary.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 18, 2009, 01:23:55 PM
sorry for not getting back about the Peter R. de Vries program.
I am very busy right now.
I see EURobert gave a detailed summary.

No problem, caesu.  Are you working here in the states?  I thought I remembered you mentioning coming here a while back. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 18, 2009, 01:25:19 PM
May mean nothing but,found it interesting to say the least... ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 18, 2009, 01:28:24 PM
  ::ElfMonkey:: KTF....what do you read from this....a person from Nigeria may be looking at some of the items in our Political forum.  Was this for NAH?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:29:06 PM
May mean nothing but,found it interesting to say the least... ::MonkeyCool::


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What images were they googling? 

Stuff on Aruba IIRC..Go to the thread.That's why i found it interesting.Will be more thorough next time 2nj..Sorry


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 18, 2009, 01:34:11 PM
2NJ...please correct my last post to show "KTF".....thanks ::ElfMonkey::

Done.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:41:16 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:42:58 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826

There ya go Mere.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 18, 2009, 01:54:05 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826

There ya go Mere.. ::MonkeyCool::

Discussion there and images were of Kalpoe's car, spokes on wheel covers, sharks......the actual msg though to that link is one of Rob's on that page:

I'm really not all that interested in the impounded Honda... well, not at least until the FBI tells us what exactly happened here...

but in just a moment - I am going to show you something totally overlooked, and I have been meaning to post this since way back when.

just a few moments until I get it together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 01:56:16 PM
Thanx 2nj! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 02:24:53 PM
TM...Ya out there?? ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 02:27:18 PM
TM...Ya out there?? ::MonkeyDance::

It may potentially be a great Christmas present.. ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 02:35:45 PM
TM-1 reporting in... ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
TM-1 reporting in... ::ElfMonkey::

Email me please!TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 02:42:38 PM
TM-1 reporting in... ::ElfMonkey::

Email me please!TIA

Done.   ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 02:48:54 PM
TM-1 reporting in... ::ElfMonkey::

Email me please!TIA

Done.   ::MonkeyReindeer::

Thanx TM! ::MonkeyShovel:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: Let me know your opinion!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 18, 2009, 05:10:51 PM


Good catch, KTF!!

I find this very interesting - and really not leaning toward coincidence.


May mean nothing but,found it interesting to say the least... ::MonkeyCool::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 06:37:53 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66558.php

Google translation:

Chavez hits out at Netherlands

December 18, 2009, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

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PHILIPSBURG - The Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen will of the Ambassador of Venezuela clarification about the "unfounded accusations" of President Hugo Chávez. Claiming that the Netherlands and the United States has been to the island Curacao, Bonaire and Aruba 'to the teeth "to rearm in preparation for aggression against Venezuela.

Chávez took yesterday to the Netherlands on the climate summit in Copenhagen in a speech to leftist organizations. The leftist president, U.S. troops in preparation for a possible invasion of Venezuela intelligence officers, war ships and spy planes transferred to Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire. Chávez claimed that the three islands in the territorial waters of Venezuela lie.

Verhagen said the Netherlands is strongly against armed and stated that no country in the Dutch Kingdom to recognize the words of Chávez. On the islands just off the coast of Venezuela are in civilian airports or facilities made available to the Americans, but that is related to drugs. Venezuela also know that according to Verhagen.

The Kingdom's commitment to good neighborly relations with Venezuela and expects the same from this South American country, says Verhagen. "Unsubstantiated accusations do not help with, let the minister know. The minister will be from top officials at the Venezuelan ambassador in The Hague to give.


Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles Emily de Jongh-Elhage afternoon will publish a press release explaining and position of the government. The premier said in a brief statement that the State Ministers Verhagen has given instructions to seek clarification from the Venezuelan ambassador in The Hague.

Minister Roland Duncan (Interior, NA) cites the statements of Chávez 'nonsense' but quite unexpectedly "as a complete surprise". He is not that the Antilles are arming themselves to the.
"We decide who we admit. If the United States a base against drugs in the Antilles to open then we decide about. The FOL base is already fifteen years. Where does Venezuela today now to say that we are on the arm, "said Duncan.

The statements by Mr. Chavez said Duncan adds that the territorial waters between the Netherlands Antilles and Venezuela for years are set out in treaties. Similarly the discussion of the Antilles or not at a Venezuelan submarine plateau would find. "This is chauvinistic boasting of Chávez on their territory. The West Indies have always maintained good ties with Venezuela. I believe that the government acted properly by Verhagen Ministers to instruct the Venezuelan ambassador to ask for an explanation, "said Duncan.

Helminen Wiels, leader of the opposition party Curaçao Pueblo Soberano previously called for the closure of U.S. military base in Curacao, reacts strongly. "See, I get right. At an international forum, we are determined to a brothel by the Netherlands used to attack our neighbors. It is now clear: there is a war in the making. Our suspicions are confirmed and warnings. "

Meanwhile, the Second and Angelien Eijsink MPs John Leerdam (PvdA both) parliamentary questions asked about the issue. They mainly want to know how great the American military presence on the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and that "the territorial security in this issue is at stake".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 06:43:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66533.php

ARUBA

OM surprised tlekken Joran images

December 18, 2009, 12:29 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba say 'surprised' that the recordings of police interrogation of Joran van der Sloot in the possession of journalist Peter R. de Vries. The leaked pictures were shown last Sunday on Dutch television in a new report by the journalist about the case of missing Natalee Holloway.

The interview with Van der Sloot was the prime suspect on February 8 this year at the Rotterdam-Rijnmond police. A spokesman said the agency already Amigoe little to say about the matter because the investigation is in the hands of the Aruban OM. Rotterdam-Rijnmond Police would only have facilitated the investigation, said the spokesman could not say whether the corps over the images available. The National Police, which assisted in the case, did not respond and could not say where the images are. The OM Aruba wants nothing to lose, except that it retires to consider "possible next steps. In the broadcast images, besides the obvious frustration of the interrogators - including Police Commissioner Dolfi Richardson -, moreover, little new to see. Van der Sloot refused because a new statement and invoked his right to remain silent.

When OM is currently also a final report on the investigation into the actions of the then chief Jan van der Straten at the beginning of the police investigation into the disappearance of Holloway. The investigation of Street was the result of the statements of former Justice Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who are expressing doubts about the integrity of the chief of police in the Holloway case. Justice has not yet received the findings of that study commented.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66530.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

The Aruban 200 employees uncertain

December 18, 2009, 12:27 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - More than 200 employees of The Aruban Resort hotel the next few days are quite uncertain. The hotel was declared bankrupt yesterday and the fate of the staff is now in the hands of the receivers. Union leader Rudy Geerman (FTA) expects that more clarity is Monday.

Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (ASF) calls the bankruptcy "inevitable". "It was pointed out. For months there were problems with payments. "The minister is in talks Monday with the curators to discuss how the government can help. "We do this in the interest of the people. Closure of the hotel is not good for the image of Aruba and not for employees. "

That the dismissal of workers already claimed Geerman strongly denies union leader. He's going from the hotel yet in the short term could be taken and that it is reopened. "It is a good hotel rooms and many have not yet purchased." Not all the staff is so positive, confirming the union leader. "Of course they are afraid of losing their jobs." Most employees are now home. Some staff in the hotel for guests to catch and to refer to other hotels. This weekend is a great group of guests to the hotel. They must be collected and redeployed in other hotels. This happens already since Monday when the hotel was closed. Water and electricity were then closed because outstanding debts of more than two million florin in the utilities. The employees have different pay periods credits. The staff is so uncertain a Christmas address. In the worst case for the employees sought dismissal of Labor Department said Geerman. "I would not think."

The hotel was in financial difficulties when one of the U.S. banks, where the hotel for several million florin has borrowed money, was declared bankrupt. The financial problems resulted in more problems in paying salaries. The staff stopped at various times in protest over the lack of salary payments. Eventually a group of employees earlier this week requested the bankruptcy of the company. This was yesterday granted by the court.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 18, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826

There ya go Mere.. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::ElfMonkey::Thanks for the link and your sense of humor....lol.  I always worried about calling you KFC....guess I was wrong....  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 07:09:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66531.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Retailers Palm Beach Plaza positive despite downturn

December 18, 2009, 12:26 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/18-pag-03-palm-plaza-fontij.gif)

The colossal Palm Beach Plaza shopping center opens this afternoon one of its stores.

ORANGE CITY - Owners of several stores in the new Palm Beach Plaza shopping giant announced not to fear the consequences of the global economic downturn. AHATA showed last week during a conference know that the economy until next year in the third quarter to grow even more.

by our reporter:
Shade Cybulkiewcz

"Economic recession? Are you crazy? Aruba has a lot of money. I think Aruba is one of the richest places in the world "was the reaction of Leo Correa, owner of four new stores in the new mall. Correa is confident in Palm Beach Plaza, let him know. "I'm sure the stores are well run." Correa is not the only one who thinks so. So does the owner of a large jewelry business, which today is opening its doors, and preferred not give his name price, the difficulty can go wrong with Palm Beach Plaza. "People living near the high-rise hotel stays and shopping visits, have money to spend," said the businessman. Asked why U.S. tourists would want to shop, while in their own country for ten times as many shops have, replied the owner of the jewelry store: "Palm Beach Plaza gives you the feeling that you are abroad and tourists are now mainly evenings not much to do except eat and shop. "Journalist Rosalie Klein believes less in the project. "You notice that throughout the purchasing power decreases. Look at Paseo Herencia, there is turnover also fell sharply, "said Klein. The shopping can not only rely on fewer tourists by the economic downturn, but these will also see that local consumers can not be counted. An examination of the Chamber of Commerce (CoC) on the development of shop offices on the island shows that consumers on the island no longer as loyal to his store as before. The study is now modern mobile consumers and has many alternatives. He switches easily to new stores and shopping sites and even to other distribution channels like the Internet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 07:24:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66526.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Palm Beach Plaza: not just toil

December 18, 2009, 12:21 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/18-pag-05-palmbeachplaza1-_.gif)
It was yesterday working hard for the soft opening of Palm Beach Plaza today.

ORANGE CITY - On the top floor of Palm Beach Plaza, the final touches to the facade of the churrowinkel. It is a coming and going of people with wheelbarrows, materials and dust on the clothes.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

The floor is littered with waste work. Manager Alex Otterspeer of the mall asks somewhat annoyed at the job or team who would clean up the mess there or not is nou. He is not. "There are still some details to be finished, but it's all okay, we get from him.

Nearly one years later than planned, it finally happened, the Palm Beach Plaza mega mall opens today. Or really almost, because today is only the soft opening, yet not all stores are ready. In February, the real opening to take place. Yesterday was the retailers who are open today or tomorrow, in any case hard.

Thus, the finalized design of the Skechers shoe store. Sandra and her assistant Khiam is the parent company in the United States from Panama flown to the store to set up. "Tomorrow we will give a seminar to staff on the farm, where the brand comes from, what it stands for and how the shoes in another stabbing." For the nine thirtieths Khiam this franchise to where it opened to train. A little farther, the courtyard is stressed in eetkiosk Mimo's. Manager Carlos Ramirez looks tired. "There are still some important technical details to be finished. One of the refrigerators is not quite, but we expect that we can open tomorrow. "In the kiosk are some ladies over for a mixer. "The staff is ready in any case. We now teach them one last shake-recipe. "

Slightly slower, things at Casa Tua. We are now working hard on the layout of the kitchen of the restaurant. "So far we have certainly no indication of when it opens," said Greg installer Marchena. "We have faced severe delays. Everyone here really. "Someone by the delays, largely caused by the two largest tenants in Palm Beach Plaza, the bowling alley and multiplex cinema (both of whom are expected to be operational will be around February), was hard hit was Carlos 'Carlin' Lopez. One of its four partners after yet another postponement could not wait and got out the project. Eventually, the former employee of Carlos & Charlies and Señor Frogs with the necessary luck to find a replacement and he works together with his family and the wife of one of the investors in completing his dream project, restaurant Mama's and Mexico juicebar Tio Pepe. "It's just been difficult, but we are still here."

Dorylee Peña is on the floor across from her candy shop, Candy Land. Within two men are working hard with the white paint of the showcases. It takes so please be open to her shop before, but she looks pretty calm. "I and my sister had the idea for it to life. This is yet the only candy store on the island. That have not been here long, "she says hopefully. The ladies of Aruba Aloe Balm have a lot easier. They have little else to do than they were unpacking in their tiny kiosk on the corner of the ground its display. Yet the store open until Saturday. "The training of the retailer is not ready. They of course know what all products and our company stands for, "said retail manager Joanne Croes. According to her it is important that Aloe Balm in Palm Beach Plaza is to stand. "Currently, we are more branches on the island itself to start and this place is surely the next big thing. So here we are. "

Camilo Vasquez, owner of clothing and shopping bags Totto, says that the real struggle is for the shop to have ready for tomorrow. "We had five hours yesterday morning here in the shop busy. We had to replace glass windows, change the door and organize everything. All we need now is to do a little cleaning up and cleaning, "says Velazquez.

Giovanni Raffini of Underground Kustom Kulture clothing looks tired, but happy. His shop is ready, it must be said, it looks spectacular. No effort was spared, it seems. All wooden showcases and special wardrobes he built and the detailing of windows and some other things, an artist known pinstripe flown over the U.S.. "We are willing. The other store on the Boulevard, we however. This is our home. "Everyone here seems so relaxed that shop girl Tahnee spontaneously erupts into a its own implementation of Etta James' languid classic 'At Last'. She is one of the lamps have to install a fixed microphone.

Below are tables and chairs to put down the press presentation, and drawings of construction. Palm Beach Plaza, after several delays, finally finished. The shopping center looks great, although during the soft opening just ten or fifteen stores opened, luxurious with bright lights on the ceilings, shiny tiles on the columns and an expensive Hublot-clock to one of the walls (the other is to the stadium of Manchester United, we were told). According to Indra Stamper, contact the mall to retailers, and soon official spokesman could it be that in a time opening more stores. "I continue to amaze me about these people work hard."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 07:40:50 PM
It looks like they were finally able to bring the Divi Divi plane up from the sea in Bonaire!  There's a video, I don't know how to bring it over; but I'll try to get some screen shots to share if someone else doesn't bring it over.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14668/6/#comments

Papiamentu translation:

video of the sacamento of plane cu owing to cay at boneiro

friday, 18 december 2009 - 19:44

after of several attempt at last diabierna the boat dutch owing to succeed of saca the plane of divi air cu owing to cay some week behind serca of klein boneire. in the plane also was have the curpa of the piloto. we coleganan of digital fm at boneiro owing to succeed at facilita we one video cu imagenan of the plane after cu they owing to saca this for of sea. click play for see the video. can wing the video at more or less 2.30min for see the plane self. for full screen, happen cu do you mouse on the screen y are you see the opcion full.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 07:47:51 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826

There ya go Mere.. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::ElfMonkey::Thanks for the link and your sense of humor....lol.  I always worried about calling you KFC....guess I was wrong....  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

You better ask AZSunny before you do that! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hope it made sense once ya got the right link?Remember GeoLab was a Silvetti company at one time and,GeoLab does business in Nigeria.. ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 08:09:23 PM


Good catch, KTF!!

I find this very interesting - and really not leaning toward coincidence.


May mean nothing but,found it interesting to say the least... ::MonkeyCool::


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I found it quite interesting..Who knows? ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 18, 2009, 08:11:13 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826

There ya go Mere.. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::ElfMonkey::Thanks for the link and your sense of humor....lol.  I always worried about calling you KFC....guess I was wrong....  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

You better ask AZSunny before you do that! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hope it made sense once ya got the right link?Remember GeoLab was a Silvetti company at one time and,GeoLab does business in Nigeria.. ::santawink::

I was off at the link for at least an hour....thanks.   ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 18, 2009, 08:21:28 PM
http://scaredmonkeys...topic=3029.msg397826

Trying to get the direct link!Maybe 2nj can do it since i'm not to computer literate..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3029.msg397826

There ya go Mere.. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::ElfMonkey::Thanks for the link and your sense of humor....lol.  I always worried about calling you KFC....guess I was wrong....  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

You better ask AZSunny before you do that! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hope it made sense once ya got the right link?Remember GeoLab was a Silvetti company at one time and,GeoLab does business in Nigeria.. ::santawink::

I was off at the link for at least an hour....thanks.   ::hohohosanta::
I tend to get lost in the caverns myself from time to time! ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 18, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
It looks like they were finally able to bring the Divi Divi plane up from the sea in Bonaire!  There's a video, I don't know how to bring it over; but I'll try to get some screen shots to share if someone else doesn't bring it over.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14668/6/#comments

Papiamentu translation:

video of the sacamento of plane cu owing to cay at boneiro

friday, 18 december 2009 - 19:44

after of several attempt at last diabierna the boat dutch owing to succeed of saca the plane of divi air cu owing to cay some week behind serca of klein boneire. in the plane also was have the curpa of the piloto. we coleganan of digital fm at boneiro owing to succeed at facilita we one video cu imagenan of the plane after cu they owing to saca this for of sea. click play for see the video. can wing the video at more or less 2.30min for see the plane self. for full screen, happen cu do you mouse on the screen y are you see the opcion full.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2293&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/5_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/7_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/3_1261176903.jpg)

More pictures at the link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 18, 2009, 11:18:19 PM
It looks like they were finally able to bring the Divi Divi plane up from the sea in Bonaire!  There's a video, I don't know how to bring it over; but I'll try to get some screen shots to share if someone else doesn't bring it over.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14668/6/#comments

Papiamentu translation:

video of the sacamento of plane cu owing to cay at boneiro

friday, 18 december 2009 - 19:44

after of several attempt at last diabierna the boat dutch owing to succeed of saca the plane of divi air cu owing to cay some week behind serca of klein boneire. in the plane also was have the curpa of the piloto. we coleganan of digital fm at boneiro owing to succeed at facilita we one video cu imagenan of the plane after cu they owing to saca this for of sea. click play for see the video. can wing the video at more or less 2.30min for see the plane self. for full screen, happen cu do you mouse on the screen y are you see the opcion full.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2293&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/5_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/7_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/3_1261176903.jpg)

More pictures at the link.


Day um ,that is a big boat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 19, 2009, 12:13:35 AM
It looks like they were finally able to bring the Divi Divi plane up from the sea in Bonaire!  There's a video, I don't know how to bring it over; but I'll try to get some screen shots to share if someone else doesn't bring it over.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14668/6/#comments

Papiamentu translation:

video of the sacamento of plane cu owing to cay at boneiro

friday, 18 december 2009 - 19:44

after of several attempt at last diabierna the boat dutch owing to succeed of saca the plane of divi air cu owing to cay some week behind serca of klein boneire. in the plane also was have the curpa of the piloto. we coleganan of digital fm at boneiro owing to succeed at facilita we one video cu imagenan of the plane after cu they owing to saca this for of sea. click play for see the video. can wing the video at more or less 2.30min for see the plane self. for full screen, happen cu do you mouse on the screen y are you see the opcion full.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2293&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/5_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/7_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/3_1261176903.jpg)

More pictures at the link.


Day um ,that is a big boat.



That is what I expected the Persistence to look like.  I was shocked when I saw the minnow. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 19, 2009, 12:34:46 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles are burning...thanks to the faithful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 01:34:41 AM
It looks like they were finally able to bring the Divi Divi plane up from the sea in Bonaire!  There's a video, I don't know how to bring it over; but I'll try to get some screen shots to share if someone else doesn't bring it over.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14668/6/#comments

Papiamentu translation:

video of the sacamento of plane cu owing to cay at boneiro

friday, 18 december 2009 - 19:44

after of several attempt at last diabierna the boat dutch owing to succeed of saca the plane of divi air cu owing to cay some week behind serca of klein boneire. in the plane also was have the curpa of the piloto. we coleganan of digital fm at boneiro owing to succeed at facilita we one video cu imagenan of the plane after cu they owing to saca this for of sea. click play for see the video. can wing the video at more or less 2.30min for see the plane self. for full screen, happen cu do you mouse on the screen y are you see the opcion full.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2293&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/5_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/7_1261176903.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/2293/3_1261176903.jpg)

More pictures at the link.


Day um ,that is a big boat.

That is what I expected the Persistence to look like.  I was shocked when I saw the minnow. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 01:52:45 AM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/19-12-09/P01.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12192009AntilliaansDagblad_DiviDivi.jpg)

Google translation:

Impact shattered cockpit
The Divi Divi unit PJ-SUN yesterday off the coast of Klein Bonaire salvaged by salvage ship
Skandi Carla
. The plane crashed down on October 22 during a flight from Curacao to
Bonaire. Pilot Robert Mansell lost their lives. His body was yesterday after the salvage
removed from the plane. Only now is to see what damage to the unit is. The complete
cockpit was shattered by the blow the unit has made. After four attempts succeeded

PHOTO Antillean DAGBLAD


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 19, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
Just wanted to say hello to Aruba before i check out for the evening! ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyTongue::  ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 19, 2009, 02:07:06 AM
Just wanted to say hello to Aruba before i check out for the evening! ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyTongue::  ::ElfMonkey::


::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer::


::snowmanlaugh:: ::snowmanlaugh:: ::snowmanlaugh:: ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 19, 2009, 02:09:11 AM
A mighty interest from Aruba in Kermit and rjdeer's timeline the day after Natalee disappeared.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 19, 2009, 02:11:52 AM
Just wanted to say hello to Aruba before i check out for the evening! ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyTongue::  ::ElfMonkey::


::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::MonkeyReindeer::


::snowmanlaugh:: ::snowmanlaugh:: ::snowmanlaugh:: ::snowmanlaugh::

They should join us any time..Depending on how fast they read! ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 19, 2009, 02:18:29 AM
THEY'RE HERE..... ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2009, 02:26:41 AM
Hi, Monkeys,

I have been meaning to post and ask this and keep forgeting to do so.

Remember how they couldn't interrogate J2K until they had a video recorder supposedly sent from the Netherlands?  As though there was not one in all of Aruba, ha!  But that was the excuse anyway.

So somewhere there should be all of those videos of interrogations of Joran at least if not also K2 and perhaps others.

What happened to those I wonder.  And if Beth is ever in possession of the files, shouldn't she get copies of those as well?

I mean in theory only because I am pretty sure they will be made to vanish long before being released.

But I would be particularly interested to see the one where Joran supposedly "confessed" that Deepak did it and was to lead them to a body.

Beth should be given all video evidence as well as everything else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 19, 2009, 02:29:59 AM
Don't mean to do a drive-by but it's late.  I will check back for any replies or thoughts on this tomorrow.

Hope ALL monkeys have a nice weekend, no exceptions.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 02:34:48 AM
Hi, Monkeys,

I have been meaning to post and ask this and keep forgeting to do so.

Remember how they couldn't interrogate J2K until they had a video recorder supposedly sent from the Netherlands?  As though there was not one in all of Aruba, ha!  But that was the excuse anyway.

So somewhere there should be all of those videos of interrogations of Joran at least if not also K2 and perhaps others.

What happened to those I wonder.  And if Beth is ever in possession of the files, shouldn't she get copies of those as well?

I mean in theory only because I am pretty sure they will be made to vanish long before being released.

But I would be particularly interested to see the one where Joran supposedly "confessed" that Deepak did it and was to lead them to a body.

Beth should be given all video evidence as well as everything else.

Hi Anna! Yes, Beth should be given everything; but they'll find a way around it I'm sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 02:42:04 AM
A mighty interest from Aruba in Kermit and rjdeer's timeline the day after Natalee disappeared.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 02:50:17 AM

I hope all is well, Cageman.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 03:52:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 19, 2009, 09:18:37 AM
Good Saturday morning, Monks!!  ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 10:33:45 AM
Good Saturday morning, Monks!!  ::MonkeyReindeer::

Good morning wreck!   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 19, 2009, 11:09:16 AM
Good Saturday morning, Monks!!  ::MonkeyReindeer::

Good morning wreck!   ::ElfMonkey::
I guess everyone is sleeping in!!!! Some of us have to work!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 19, 2009, 11:22:11 AM
Good morning.

Some of us have been awake and waiting for predicted snow.  I doubt we'll be going to the Christmas gathering we were invited to attend tonight. 

I'll be checking in when I can.  DH went to the store for a few things and will probably be claiming computer time when he returns.  I plan on baking...we'll see.

 ::snowmanlaugh:: ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
Good morning.

Some of us have been awake and waiting for predicted snow.  I doubt we'll be going to the Christmas gathering we were invited to attend tonight. 

I'll be checking in when I can.  DH went to the store for a few things and will probably be claiming computer time when he returns.  I plan on baking...we'll see.

 ::snowmanlaugh:: ::MonkeyShovel::

Maybe Santa will bring you your very own computer 2NJ!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I'd hate it if I had to share!   ::MonkeyWaa::

I guess I need to go fight the crowds and find some gifts!   ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on December 19, 2009, 12:25:48 PM
We have 15 inches (and it is still snowing) here in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. It is headed your way 2NJ. I am not going anywhere. They plow the main highways, but we won't see a snowplow for days.   ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 19, 2009, 07:40:24 PM
I hope it stops at the Maine/New Hampshire border, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 19, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
3 killed today in Aruba in traffic accident. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14669/8/

Papiamentu translation:

accidente deadly is cobra life of three (3) person

saturday, 19 december 2009 - 04:35

saturday marduga is enter the tristo news cu will have one accidente earnest owing to sosode on sasakiweg. at arrival of police is come confirma cu have three person cu do not give senjal of life. inoficialmente can owing to compronde cu is one accidente owing to sosode more trempan y at where cu one person of the accidente owing to bay stop mey mey of caminda hour cu one pair of person was yegando on brommer. the person cu owing to stop mey mey of caminda owing to wordo atropeya for one brommer debi cu the was stop mey mey of caminda y the motorcyclista not can owing to desvia. dr. john croes owing to constata dead of three person ( one female y two masculino) alrededor of 4.30 am. is deal here of d. wever, a. arendz y d. ras. 24ora is send word of condolencia at the fayecidonan.  click read more for more photograph.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2296&offId=0

update tragedy on sasakiweg hour accidente owing to happen cu owing to costa life of three young

saturday marduga some minuut first cu 3or owing to enter informe of one accidente on sasakiweg at height of the mill, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu here is deal of two accidente cu owing to sosode behind another. the first accidente owing to sosode where cu one starlet owing to bay strike behind one yaris several person cu owing to come across cu the accidente owing to stop car y descend for bay look at y help, just at the instant ey was come some brommer entrenan uno cu not owing to succeed stop at time y owing to atropeya mortalmente 2 victima cu y besides the motociclista self also owing to fayece at the sitio self. while ambulance owing to transporta 2 victima injury in the first accidente. investigacion haci at the sitio owing to indica cu the motociclista darryll raymond wever naci 5 june 1975 of patiastraat cu was biniendo cu velocidad very high y not owing to succeed stop at time y owing to strike enough duro on aldric roland arendsz naci 22 of oktober 1969 y live at cumana cu owing to descend of his car for bay brinda aid at esnan in the starlet cu was injury, after the of the impacto here the victima owing to bay cay at one distancia one some more fast for after the brommer owing to bay strike on the starlet, follow bay strike on the hobencita danielle monzanine editha ras naci 1 of november 1990 y live at seroe patrishi cual victima owing to stop for bay look at what owing to happen, while the brommer y owing to stay bay debi at the velocidad high y owing to stop till at one distancia one some more far y where the motociclista owing to fayece also at the sitio. ambulance owing to present at the sitio y owing to transporta the another heridonan for hospital. the accidente here owing to let 3 various family more cu tristeza y dolor, is at we cada one for place responsabilidad behind stuur y bay calm on camindanan. at famianan of the fayecidonan is bay we more sincero words of condolencia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: pdh3 on December 19, 2009, 08:59:14 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.




The B'ham School of Law is NOT rinky-dink. It is fully accredited. It's for students who have to work, but still want to get a law degree. Many people who go there are older students with jobs and families, and they can't go to school during the day....grades are not always the issue. I know people who graduated from there, and they are fine lawyers. Some of them are better lawyers than those who graduated from Cumberland or Alabama. Just as many accountants who went to night college are as good, if not better, that those who went to a traditional college. The curriculum is the same, because the law is the law, no matter where you study, and most of the students there pass the bar at the same level as other schools. The law professors are practicing attorneys, so these students get practical knowledge as well as book knowledge. I really hate to see this kind of misinformation posted on a public forum.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush as CharlieRat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 19, 2009, 09:31:36 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.




The B'ham School of Law is NOT rinky-dink. It is fully accredited. It's for students who have to work, but still want to get a law degree. Many people who go there are older students with jobs and families, and they can't go to school during the day....grades are not always the issue. I know people who graduated from there, and they are fine lawyers. Some of them are better lawyers than those who graduated from Cumberland or Alabama. Just as many accountants who went to night college are as good, if not better, that those who went to a traditional college. The curriculum is the same, because the law is the law, no matter where you study, and most of the students there pass the bar at the same level as other schools. The law professors are practicing attorneys, so these students get practical knowledge as well as book knowledge. I really hate to see this kind of misinformation posted on a public forum.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush as CharlieRat.


WOW!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 19, 2009, 11:41:13 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.




The B'ham School of Law is NOT rinky-dink. It is fully accredited. It's for students who have to work, but still want to get a law degree. Many people who go there are older students with jobs and families, and they can't go to school during the day....grades are not always the issue. I know people who graduated from there, and they are fine lawyers. Some of them are better lawyers than those who graduated from Cumberland or Alabama. Just as many accountants who went to night college are as good, if not better, that those who went to a traditional college. The curriculum is the same, because the law is the law, no matter where you study, and most of the students there pass the bar at the same level as other schools. The law professors are practicing attorneys, so these students get practical knowledge as well as book knowledge. I really hate to see this kind of misinformation posted on a public forum.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush as CharlieRat.
pdh3,
Do you know how many times charlierat took the bar before he past?
One...12...more...?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 19, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.




The B'ham School of Law is NOT rinky-dink. It is fully accredited. It's for students who have to work, but still want to get a law degree. Many people who go there are older students with jobs and families, and they can't go to school during the day....grades are not always the issue. I know people who graduated from there, and they are fine lawyers. Some of them are better lawyers than those who graduated from Cumberland or Alabama. Just as many accountants who went to night college are as good, if not better, that those who went to a traditional college. The curriculum is the same, because the law is the law, no matter where you study, and most of the students there pass the bar at the same level as other schools. The law professors are practicing attorneys, so these students get practical knowledge as well as book knowledge. I really hate to see this kind of misinformation posted on a public forum.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush as CharlieRat.
pdh3,
Do you know how many times charlierat took the bar before he passed?
One...12...more...?

self edit....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2009, 12:02:23 AM
Magnolia,

I believe it was Nonesuche who posted quite a while ago that CRat wasn't on the law registry.....maybe his credentials aren't credible..... ::ElfMonkey::

I have seen his creditials before.  He worked at a firm on Morris Avenue, did mostly bankruptcy.
Graduate of the Birmingham School of Law, which is a rinky dink night law school.
Morris Avenue has been the scene of a lot of crime lately.  Shootings and such.
 
My friend's son went to the Birmingham School of Law because he didn't have the grades to get into
Cumberland School of Law.(at Sanford Univ in Bham)  It took the boy 12 tries to pass the bar.




The B'ham School of Law is NOT rinky-dink. It is fully accredited. It's for students who have to work, but still want to get a law degree. Many people who go there are older students with jobs and families, and they can't go to school during the day....grades are not always the issue. I know people who graduated from there, and they are fine lawyers. Some of them are better lawyers than those who graduated from Cumberland or Alabama. Just as many accountants who went to night college are as good, if not better, that those who went to a traditional college. The curriculum is the same, because the law is the law, no matter where you study, and most of the students there pass the bar at the same level as other schools. The law professors are practicing attorneys, so these students get practical knowledge as well as book knowledge. I really hate to see this kind of misinformation posted on a public forum.

Don't paint everyone with the same brush as CharlieRat.
pdh3,
Do you know how many times charlierat took the bar before he passed?
One...12...more...?


I don't think it has anything to do with CharlieRat or the B'ham School of Law.
PDH3 just likes to contradict what I say.  Last time it was about banana pudding and fried chicken. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I have no idea what the problem is. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 02:33:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 10:45:58 AM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::ElfMonkey:: ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 11:03:00 AM
Looks like the "party" turned ugly on Tattoo!

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2302&offId=0&offDate=2009-12

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12202009Awe24_Tattoo_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

27 minuut happen | fecha: 20/12/2009 | horario: 11:17

boattrip in madruga on tattoo owing to end at badtrip cu person injury after of one action serious on lama we will follow informa.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 11:06:47 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66592.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dutch soldiers afraid of burglars

December 19, 2009, 11:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Dutch soldiers and their families stationed in Aruba, feel increasingly unsafe by the crime on the island. Therefore they want the Dutch Ministry of Defense to 51 houses, of alarms and motion sensors that attackers to remotely take.

This is a small two million tons needed. It reports the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.

Figures of Commander A. Kloosterman of the Royal Military Police last year shows that even an armed robbery committed on a naval family. A year earlier seventeen dwelling burglaries in military housing, which means that one in three homes were visited by thieves. The unrest among soldiers and their families about the growing crime within the Navy to less and less enthusiasm for a few years to relocate to Aruba. "That fear is one of the reasons why the military is less enthusiasm for such a move", said President Rob Hunnego of the Royal Society of Marine Officers (KVMO).

Defense reports prompted a growing sense of insecurity among the staff to recognize Aruba.

"Research is an increase in burglaries forward, even in Defense Staff. Fortunately there were no serious incidents, "said Lt. Karen Gelijns at-sea in the Dutch newspaper. She reported that the matter is currently "the highest attention" has.

Lattice
In contrast to the houses on Aruba Curaçao expense of the armed forces equipped with bars. This happened after years of break waves. Although the following problems largely disappeared, the families feel little to Aruba for their home into a fortress to transform. "They prefer electronic resources," the KVMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 20, 2009, 11:08:59 AM
AirTran adds flights to Aruba

Originally published December 19, 2009 at 12:09 p.m., updated December 19, 2009 at 12:09 p.m.


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — AirTran Airways has added new weekly service between Atlanta and the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba.

The discount carrier says the weekly nonstop route began Saturday between Atlanta and the tourism-dependent island off Venezuela's coast.

Otmar Oduber is Aruba's minister of tourism, transportation and labor. He says the new direct service will be a boon for the people of Aruba, "for whom tourism is so important."

Florida-based AirTran also announced Saturday that it plans to introduce weekly nonstop flights between Orlando and Aruba on Jan. 9.

The airline is a unit of Orlando, Florida-based AirTran Holdings Inc.

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2009/dec/19/bc-lt-airtran-aruba/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 11:13:09 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66593.php

Google translation:

Premier Eman surprised by statements Chavez

December 19, 2009, 11:56 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) claims to be surprised by the statements of Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez. This was during the climate summit in Copenhagen said that the Netherlands and the U.S. on the ABC islands are arming in preparation for a possible invasion of his country.

"A few weeks ago we were approached by the Venezuelan government. They were interested in sending a trade mission to the ABC-islands with the energy ministers to discuss possible cooperation in oil company PdVSA. Since we were obviously very positive about it as a major oil producer that such fuel could make to WEB "said Eman.

Initially the mission was called off, but the prime minister says the Dutch government to have given that it still could be. "Since they responded very positively," said Eman. "I saw in any case no voltage from Venezuela." The Prime Minister said that he did this time, as indicated by the Dutch State Secretary of Defense, Jack de Vries (CDA). "Against the State, I said we just got good vibes from Venezuela and they wanted us to discuss possible cooperation on energy."


Eman indicates that Venezuela has repeatedly recognized that the border treaty in 1977 they together with the Kingdom of the Netherlands had signed. In this border treaty, the exact sea and air borders to the south of the ABC Islands and north of Venezuela indicated. The Bolivarian Republic of Chavez, according to Department of External Relations two years ago have ratified these limits. Eman: "I therefore do not doubt that what the territory is divided into that agreement. I have confidence in the interview that the Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs today met with the Venezuelan ambassador in the Netherlands believe that clarity is also below from the side of Venezuela. This weekend we hear about the outcome of this conversation. Then we know or we have to contribute to the conversation so as to soothe the minds. "The Aruban prime minister would hold for the moment that Chavez's recent statements in Copenhagen especially power display will show. "I think you should especially in this light that we see and mutually beneficial to clarify each other will create."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 11:17:58 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66590.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Negotiations stalled with Petro China

December 19, 2009, 11:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Aruba has not yet received word back from oil company Petro China in the negotiations surrounding the acquisition of Valero refinery. It says Minister Mike de Meza (AVP) Finance, Utilities, Energy and Communications.

Since the visit of the Meza to the U.S. office of Petro China in New York and the subsequent conference call, the Chinese state oil company has never heard of. "I think this is regrettable," said Meza. "But we regularly send messages to their side with the message that we want to continue negotiations like." Aruba being, and Petro China agreement on several issues including the payment of profits tax, the maintenance of the Aruban law, where and when arbitration should be applied and the priority of Aruban workers. Major points of contention are the degree of investment by Petro China in the refinery and the refinery or whether or not full seasons with the surgery.

Premier Mike Eman (AVP) points out that a takeover begins and ends with Valero. "They own the refinery. Only when we got a signal from which they indicated their progress with Petro China we went with them to the table so the discussions from that time would run simultaneously. "Eman says also that the Aruban government simultaneously to both the Dutch and Mexican and Brazilian governments have indicated that Aruba would be interested in an acquisition or a partnership with Valero by PEMEX or Petrobras. "This fact was known to them and it could be a message from one of them may come back." The prime minister points out that it is currently negotiating with a difficult deadline. Valero also ask why he wants to negotiate with Petro China and possibly other partners to give more time before deciding to permanently close the refinery. Eman remains hopeful. "There are several options. Valero has so far not ruled out the mogleijkheid to work on Aruab to put on a back burner. There is also the possibility that they were going to only store, and then again to produce when the situation better. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 11:31:44 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66589.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

System for families without water or power

December 19, 2009, 11:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - households whose water or electricity is closed because a payment can now take a system and still be connected again. This Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) announced yesterday during his speech to mark the official commissioning of the wind farm in Father Peter. Households can now closed to the office of the WEB and Elmar to it, directly behind one months pay and a prime minister under the 'broad' payment take to be right once to be connected. "In recent days we have sat around the table with the management of WEB and Elmar. We have to ask them for a more social approach to the problem of households where electricity and water were completed. "The prime minister said insisting that a fundamental right of households to Aruba for water and electric mains have .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

12/19/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12192009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

aruba now is count ;
oficialmente cu one form of therefore roduccion of energy more cheap y ‘green’ 


yesterday did take lugar the inauguracion of the parke of molinanan of wind at vader piet caminda various dignatarionan y personalidadnan was present. owing to toca the honor at ex director of web, jossy figaroa y previous to minister mike eman for dduna inicio at the almost new in produccion of coriente at aruba. after of much year finalmente aruba owing to succeed of have his parke of molina of wind cu is contribui at one produccion of energy cu one costo more downstairs mirando the prijs of fuel oil cu is birando day for day more caro, but also cu is at beneficio of we medio ambiente.ohala cu in future we can follow look at the type of desaroyonan here y even can is cu all we produccion of coriente will can come of wind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 12:21:50 PM
3 killed today in Aruba in traffic accident. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14669/8/

Papiamentu translation:

accidente deadly is cobra life of three (3) person

saturday, 19 december 2009 - 04:35

saturday marduga is enter the tristo news cu will have one accidente earnest owing to sosode on sasakiweg. at arrival of police is come confirma cu have three person cu do not give senjal of life. inoficialmente can owing to compronde cu is one accidente owing to sosode more trempan y at where cu one person of the accidente owing to bay stop mey mey of caminda hour cu one pair of person was yegando on brommer. the person cu owing to stop mey mey of caminda owing to wordo atropeya for one brommer debi cu the was stop mey mey of caminda y the motorcyclista not can owing to desvia. dr. john croes owing to constata dead of three person ( one female y two masculino) alrededor of 4.30 am. is deal here of d. wever, a. arendz y d. ras. 24ora is send word of condolencia at the fayecidonan.  click read more for more photograph.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2296&offId=0

update tragedy on sasakiweg hour accidente owing to happen cu owing to costa life of three young

saturday marduga some minuut first cu 3or owing to enter informe of one accidente on sasakiweg at height of the mill, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu here is deal of two accidente cu owing to sosode behind another. the first accidente owing to sosode where cu one starlet owing to bay strike behind one yaris several person cu owing to come across cu the accidente owing to stop car y descend for bay look at y help, just at the instant ey was come some brommer entrenan uno cu not owing to succeed stop at time y owing to atropeya mortalmente 2 victima cu y besides the motociclista self also owing to fayece at the sitio self. while ambulance owing to transporta 2 victima injury in the first accidente. investigacion haci at the sitio owing to indica cu the motociclista darryll raymond wever naci 5 june 1975 of patiastraat cu was biniendo cu velocidad very high y not owing to succeed stop at time y owing to strike enough duro on aldric roland arendsz naci 22 of oktober 1969 y live at cumana cu owing to descend of his car for bay brinda aid at esnan in the starlet cu was injury, after the of the impacto here the victima owing to bay cay at one distancia one some more fast for after the brommer owing to bay strike on the starlet, follow bay strike on the hobencita danielle monzanine editha ras naci 1 of november 1990 y live at seroe patrishi cual victima owing to stop for bay look at what owing to happen, while the brommer y owing to stay bay debi at the velocidad high y owing to stop till at one distancia one some more far y where the motociclista owing to fayece also at the sitio. ambulance owing to present at the sitio y owing to transporta the another heridonan for hospital. the accidente here owing to let 3 various family more cu tristeza y dolor, is at we cada one for place responsabilidad behind stuur y bay calm on camindanan. at famianan of the fayecidonan is bay we more sincero words of condolencia.

If I understand correctly, there were two accidents.  The first one happened, and although there were injuries...they were not fatal.  From what I understand Dicky Arendsz and Danielle Ras had stopped because of the first accident (possibly to render aid) and they were struck by the motorcycle driven at a high rate of speed by Darryl Wever...all three died.  Danielle Ras was the daughter of a Police officer Eric Ras.

http://www.diario.aw/

12/19/2009 Diario

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12192009Diario_3KilledinAccident_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

accidente fateful owing to cobra life of three young

publication: saturday, 19 december 2009. categoria: general

 —breaking news—

oranjestad (aan): one view horible, creando shock instantaneo, is thing everybody owing to come come across cune saturday madruga some first cu 2:50 owing to.m. on caminda of sasakiweg one bit east of the mill resort. of eynan end owing to cuminza notice cu saturday will stay because; uno dark at aruba.

all cos owing to cuminza cu one accidente simple at the lugar here, where two vehiculo owing to strike behind another. this owing to place cu chofernan owing to calling police for so come atende the asunto. all the time some mirones owing to aglomera at the lugar.

on sasakiweg this is algo much dangerous, specialmente in night. at least 3 trip in pasado end, the caminda here is conoci of accidente is “atrae” one another accidente, the.o. fast ex-pool plaza, y also near of adventure golf.

sasakiweg his iluminacion do not perfecto, y chofernan cu is coriendo 80 km/h or more, do not ripara of far cu have accidente. mirones have trip is stay throw view on accidente y do not worry cu trafico.

this owing to prove fateful for two young that inespera owing to worde gedal for one brommer cu was yegando close, y the manehador not owing to ripara cu have person on caminda. press read more for more detaye y foto… for splica one bit.

the first accidente was on the caminda of sasaki bayendo direccion beach just pasando the cruzada of the mill resort. here one toyota starlet color blauw cu number a-44699 coriendo much duro owing to strike behind one toyota yaris color blanco cu number a-43450. by of the impacto here two ocupante seems of the starlet owing to stay injury.

so cu the accidente owing to sosode some person owing to descend give one hand at once.

one pareha owing to arrive y while cu the madam owing to stay in car he dicky owing to descend for see the situation y kizas give one hand.

also one young female danielle of 19 year was canando direccion of the accidente for see kico owing to sosode.

at dado instant for of palm beach was come one brommer suzuki hayabusa color blanco cu one velocidad much big. the victima cu owing to descend for of his car for help the victima of the first accidente owing to try zwaai for send one sign. this not owing to help. the brommer maneha for darryll wever was come so duro cu past owing to strike he dicky, y in same linea, owing to follow y strike also the lady young danielle ras.

panico overall. esnan present owing to bay in panico hour cu the of two accidente owing to socede. yamadanan at cantidad owing to cuminza enter at police y at ambulance, solicitando yudanza cu urgencia. autoridad owing to arrive y come come across cu one situation tristo, cu hendenan at yoramento, y several person throw abao.

owing to come notice cu all three person owing to die at the lugar self, y they curpa owing to stay throw on caminda, on acera, y one bit more pabao in yerbanan.

the news owing to plama at once. the accidente here owing to paraliza all keep y polisnan cu was schaars not was have more hand for atende other asistencianan.

famianan owing to cuminsa arrive of all near. the situation owing to become enough earnest at the lugar of accidente y police till even have to owing to atende strongly cu esnan eybanda. was have one familiar cu owing to cuminsa schop the motociclista cu owing to ocasiona the desgracia.

police owing to haci one investigacion big on the accidente. for oranan largo the caminda owing to stay close. after cu the first part of the investigacion owing to termina three car of dead owing to present for go cu the curpanan. the curpa of the manehador of the motocicleta owing to being take in beslag for girl his blood. fiscal owing to give orden for so cu end entrega the curpa bek at the family. victimanan of accidente.

ultimo simannan is much person owing to lose they life in trafico at aruba. the trip here, the personanan here is much conoci.

esnan cu owing to fayece owing to worde identifica como: —danielle monzanine editha ras naci at aruba day 1 november 1990 (19 year of edad) y live at hill patrishi 303. —darryll raymond wever naci at aruba day 5 july 1975 (34 year of edad) y live at patiastraat 1, dakota. —aldric “dicky” roland arendsz naci at aruba day 22 october 1967 (42 year of edad) y live at cumana 85.

the of cuatro victima had immidiately some fractura at his curpa, y do not in danger of dead. rumornan infunda is core cu the victima #4 also owing to fayece. esey do not corecto.

miembronan of family owing to arrive, at yoramento was see con they being keri owing to stay eybao throw. dicky arendsz is bay let behind three child muher. danielle is child muher of agent policial eric conrad ras y anouschka trimon. word of condolencia at famianan. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 12:50:47 PM
I knew I remembered reading something about Eric Ras recently...I have no idea if there's anything to it or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2009, 02:36:43 PM
I knew I remembered reading something about Eric Ras recently...I have no idea if there's anything to it or not.

Eric Ras is listed as a writer/interrogator on line six of the Witnesses PDF in the statements of the Mt. Brook Group
and Mr. Stamper.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Ras/1593347649


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 20, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
Not sure these are all the same person:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

http://grupodibetico.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=24&category_id=2&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3


http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/07/impossible-timeline.html
According to the official witness log that was obtained through disclosure by Phil McGraw, the Twitty group gives a statement to police prior to going to the van der Sloot residence.

KALPOE V. MCGRAW, ET AL.
Name: Holloway Group and MR Stamper Date: 31 may 2005 / 02:50
Pages: 3 Writer/Initiator. Robert Kock / Lindo Pantophlet / Eric Ras
Description: witness statement



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 20, 2009, 03:27:09 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  You never know what you are going to find.  I don't think this is related but came up with search words Eric Ras, Aruba...

Lilly P - Dec 2, 2006 4:12 pm (#354 of 461)   
finished the LAST of my xmas shopping today and mailed the x mas cards. (Amy, yours is still sitting on my desk because I need the exact street adress and zip code, I can't tell the mail man "the house at the end of the circle"!) call me or email me! also, do you have any of "the guys'" address'? I need like, Eric Ras., Matt Murano, and Chris Brooks if you have them, for xmas cards. Reserved the U-haul today, got boxes for the clothes that we are taking with us in the car. I went shopping for new "work" clothes (boy was that depressing!) it's only "casual" but, casual to a stay at home mom is like dressing up!  anyway, time for the munchkins bath. good luck on the dog hunting Lori! which sister is in Aruba by the way? Amy, call us about next weekend, we soooo have to make it happen before we go!

http://wc3.worldcrossing.com/webx?128@@.1de07d69



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 20, 2009, 03:33:45 PM
The name is mentioned here, too....all in pap, though.

http://www.myspace.com/grupodibetico


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
 Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 08:02:29 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 20, 2009, 08:21:14 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 09:10:30 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2009, 09:36:08 PM

I think this is interesting because of the 2010 aspect.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/search?q=Natalee+Holloway
 
AMERICAN STUDENT MISSING IN ARUBA



Natalee Holloway has become a famous cold case. She went missing on a student trip to Aruba and has not been seen since May 30, 2005. As an "Forensic" Astrologer, I cannot resist doing a chart for the night of her disappearance. This is what I found:

At the time of her disappearance Pisces was rising and Sagittarius was on the midheaven. The ruler of the chart, Neptune, was posited in the twelfth house along with the Moon and Uranus. Mars is at the Ascendant and Pluto is at the Midheaven, squared.
From this configuration I can ascertain:

There was an argument which became physical in nature(Mars)
Natalee started this fight, perhaps resisting her attacker
The situation became emotionally charged very rapidly and escalated to violence (Moon)
The entire situation was not planned at all but was the result of sudden opportunities and unexpected events(Uranus)
She was drinking (as is known) but I believe there were drugs involved as well, most likely not to her knowledge but served to her secretly(Neptune in 12th)
This event would become public very rapidly and gain a lot of attention, worldwide(Pluto)
However, because of Neptune and Uranus, the details of this event will remain a mystery for some time
She may be buried on the Island near the water in an area which had been recently dug up for some construction or development purpose.
This grave near the water would also be near one of the following: a radio station, an airport, an airplane hanger, an electrical or radio tower, a power station, a marina, public showers or bathhouse OR any place where drugs are used or made

There is one other possibility, as well. Because Neptune rules the Ocean and Pisces is the fish, she could easily be IN THE WATER. Because of Uranus and it's position, this means either an unusual, rarely visited part of the Ocean; a small, hidden Lagoon; an area where Airboats land; very deep waters in an area that was recently dredged; a shallow area near a newly developed cove or diving reef; OR an area of ocean nearest an airport, marina, electrical towers, radio station, lighthouse or power station.

 


At the time of her disappearance, the following other planetary aspects appeared:
Seventh house ruler Mercury in the third house in Gemini
Mercury placed in conjuction with the Sun, also in the third house
Saturn disposits the Moon from the fifth house and the ruler of the midheaven, Jupiter, is posited in the seventh house retrograde
From these configurations, I can ascertain:

1. Her companions at the time were two men (Mercury & Sun) who were very close like brothers(Third House).
2. One man or boy was younger(Mercury) and the other was older and more powerful (Sun) These men were very close, like brothers, or could have been brothers. They acted as a team on this night (conjuction)
3. There was a strong sexual or romantic attraction at play(Fifth house) But there was also a "wet rag" or restriction of some kind. Guilt, fear, anger or a judgemental nature could be the poison that soured everything (Saturn)
4. It appears to be five years (2010) before her body is finally discovered... or it actually surfaces (Jupiter retrograde).

One good thing about this whole mess is the presence of retrograde Jupiter in the seventh house, square Pluto in the tenth. This ordeal will go on for a VERY LONG TIME for the killer. It will seem like a never ending nightmare, which could very well ruin his or their lives.

FOR ASTROLOGERS WHO WISH TO INVESTIGATE THIS AS WELL:
NATALEE WENT MISSING AT 1:00 AM ON MAY 30, 2005 IN ARUBA
NATALEE WAS BORN ON OCT 21, 1986


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::



Are ya'll thinking this may the man who posed as Eric Williams....the DEA agent? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::


Are ya'll thinking this may the man who posed as Eric Williams....the DEA agent? ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know.  I do wonder why Resigned at RU thinks it may be.  (Not sure this is the one Resigned thinks it is, because it looks like there's more than one on Aruba).
I'd been under the impression that EW wasn't white.  I don't remember where that info came from so I'm open to possibilities.  I hope one day we finally do know what Eric Williams looks like and WTH was up with that! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 20, 2009, 10:34:17 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::


Are ya'll thinking this may the man who posed as Eric Williams....the DEA agent? ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know.  I do wonder why Resigned at RU thinks it may be.  (Not sure this is the one Resigned thinks it is, because it looks like there's more than one on Aruba).
I'd been under the impression that EW wasn't white.  I don't remember where that info came from so I'm open to possibilities.  I hope one day we finally do know what Eric Williams looks like and WTH was up with that! 

Resigned is usually accurate.  I had thought EW was Black also, but I think it was because of a picture we
found that "might" have been him.  Did Beth ever mention his race?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 20, 2009, 10:45:13 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::


Are ya'll thinking this may the man who posed as Eric Williams....the DEA agent? ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know.  I do wonder why Resigned at RU thinks it may be.  (Not sure this is the one Resigned thinks it is, because it looks like there's more than one on Aruba).
I'd been under the impression that EW wasn't white.  I don't remember where that info came from so I'm open to possibilities.  I hope one day we finally do know what Eric Williams looks like and WTH was up with that! 

Resigned is usually accurate.  I had thought EW was Black also, but I think it was because of a picture we
found that "might" have been him.  Did Beth ever mention his race?

I agree that we had read somewhere along the lines that EW was black, but cannot say if Beth ever mentioned race, at all.  Just do not know, Magnolia, imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 20, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::


Are ya'll thinking this may the man who posed as Eric Williams....the DEA agent? ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know.  I do wonder why Resigned at RU thinks it may be.  (Not sure this is the one Resigned thinks it is, because it looks like there's more than one on Aruba).
I'd been under the impression that EW wasn't white.  I don't remember where that info came from so I'm open to possibilities.  I hope one day we finally do know what Eric Williams looks like and WTH was up with that! 

Resigned is usually accurate.  I had thought EW was Black also, but I think it was because of a picture we
found that "might" have been him.  Did Beth ever mention his race?

I don't recall Beth mentioning it, I'll see if I can find what she said about him in her book.  It will be a little while before I can look. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 20, 2009, 11:34:07 PM
Very interesting. Very!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 20, 2009, 11:39:38 PM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 12:52:45 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.

I've scanned most of the pages where Beth talks about the "DEA Agent" in her book.  I haven't come across a description of him.

It bothers me every time I read the part about the "DEA Agent" introducing them to Charles Croes.  And it only starts there...looking at everything about this person and how he controlled the events the first night Beth was on the island. 

Something's just not right about him.

And when you add Julia claiming to know him...when after almost 5 years he's still a mystery.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/HinkeyAlert-1.gif)

JMO





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 01:33:05 AM
Come on out and play Billb..You're Chargers won ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 02:16:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 21, 2009, 08:39:17 AM
Wow!!!!!  ::MonkeyEek::  If SOLDIERS are afraid to be on Aruba, what does that say about "One Happy Island"?

This should be broadcast on our State Dept's website about the criminal climate on Aruba, so potential vacationers have the full and complete outlook of the apparent very real risks they would be taking by travelling there.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66592.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dutch soldiers afraid of burglars

December 19, 2009, 11:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Dutch soldiers and their families stationed in Aruba, feel increasingly unsafe by the crime on the island. Therefore they want the Dutch Ministry of Defense to 51 houses, of alarms and motion sensors that attackers to remotely take.

This is a small two million tons needed. It reports the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.

Figures of Commander A. Kloosterman of the Royal Military Police last year shows that even an armed robbery committed on a naval family. A year earlier seventeen dwelling burglaries in military housing, which means that one in three homes were visited by thieves. The unrest among soldiers and their families about the growing crime within the Navy to less and less enthusiasm for a few years to relocate to Aruba. "That fear is one of the reasons why the military is less enthusiasm for such a move", said President Rob Hunnego of the Royal Society of Marine Officers (KVMO).

Defense reports prompted a growing sense of insecurity among the staff to recognize Aruba.

"Research is an increase in burglaries forward, even in Defense Staff. Fortunately there were no serious incidents, "said Lt. Karen Gelijns at-sea in the Dutch newspaper. She reported that the matter is currently "the highest attention" has.

Lattice
In contrast to the houses on Aruba Curaçao expense of the armed forces equipped with bars. This happened after years of break waves. Although the following problems largely disappeared, the families feel little to Aruba for their home into a fortress to transform. "They prefer electronic resources," the KVMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 21, 2009, 08:44:53 AM
Aruba White Pages

Ras Eric A C     Bushiri 132

 
Ras Eric G     Bringamosa 9 B


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686158106#/profile.php?v=wall&id=686158106

Same guy I posted earlier here:

http://www.sonico.com/u/12599609/Eric_Ras

 ::ElfMonkey::


Are ya'll thinking this may the man who posed as Eric Williams....the DEA agent? ::MonkeyCool::

I don't know.  I do wonder why Resigned at RU thinks it may be.  (Not sure this is the one Resigned thinks it is, because it looks like there's more than one on Aruba).
I'd been under the impression that EW wasn't white.  I don't remember where that info came from so I'm open to possibilities.  I hope one day we finally do know what Eric Williams looks like and WTH was up with that! 

There was a pic of Eric Williams that Julia Renfro published in.............Aruba Today, I believe it was.  He was photographed entering the police department by her.

I believe it was either June or July 2005. 

Kerm might have that saved.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 21, 2009, 08:47:35 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.

I actually do believe he is DEA.  Couple of things that lead me in that direction.

1 - He knew Paulus was a JUDGE long before any of them had even yet laid eyes on Joran, much less knew a last name.

2 - Remember the Aruban "delegation" that met with Spencer Bachus?  Remember his comment to Greta about Aruba having been PO'd about "the wire taps"?

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 21, 2009, 08:59:26 AM
Wow!!!!!  ::MonkeyEek::  If SOLDIERS are afraid to be on Aruba, what does that say about "One Happy Island"?

This should be broadcast on our State Dept's website about the criminal climate on Aruba, so potential vacationers have the full and complete outlook of the apparent very real risks they would be taking by travelling there.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66592.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dutch soldiers afraid of burglars

December 19, 2009, 11:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Dutch soldiers and their families stationed in Aruba, feel increasingly unsafe by the crime on the island. Therefore they want the Dutch Ministry of Defense to 51 houses, of alarms and motion sensors that attackers to remotely take.

This is a small two million tons needed. It reports the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.

Figures of Commander A. Kloosterman of the Royal Military Police last year shows that even an armed robbery committed on a naval family. A year earlier seventeen dwelling burglaries in military housing, which means that one in three homes were visited by thieves. The unrest among soldiers and their families about the growing crime within the Navy to less and less enthusiasm for a few years to relocate to Aruba. "That fear is one of the reasons why the military is less enthusiasm for such a move", said President Rob Hunnego of the Royal Society of Marine Officers (KVMO).

Defense reports prompted a growing sense of insecurity among the staff to recognize Aruba.

"Research is an increase in burglaries forward, even in Defense Staff. Fortunately there were no serious incidents, "said Lt. Karen Gelijns at-sea in the Dutch newspaper. She reported that the matter is currently "the highest attention" has.

Lattice
In contrast to the houses on Aruba Curaçao expense of the armed forces equipped with bars. This happened after years of break waves. Although the following problems largely disappeared, the families feel little to Aruba for their home into a fortress to transform. "They prefer electronic resources," the KVMO.

Those were my first thought too Jen, when I saw this article.  If soldiers are concerned for themselves and their families safety and well being in their own homes, what about the unsuspecting tourist?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.

I actually do believe he is DEA.  Couple of things that lead me in that direction.

1 - He knew Paulus was a JUDGE long before any of them had even yet laid eyes on Joran, much less knew a last name.

2 - Remember the Aruban "delegation" that met with Spencer Bachus?  Remember his comment to Greta about Aruba having been PO'd about "the wire taps"?

 ::MonkeyWink::


My line of thinking was always that Ruffner Page called Charles Croes about the phone records hours before
Beth and the Mt Brook group landed on Aruba.  It was Charles Croes, IMO, who contacted this Eric to
go to the Holiday Inn and find Paul Lilly.  It was a set up from the beginning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 21, 2009, 09:22:16 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.

I actually do believe he is DEA.  Couple of things that lead me in that direction.

1 - He knew Paulus was a JUDGE long before any of them had even yet laid eyes on Joran, much less knew a last name.

2 - Remember the Aruban "delegation" that met with Spencer Bachus?  Remember his comment to Greta about Aruba having been PO'd about "the wire taps"?

 ::MonkeyWink::


My line of thinking was always that Ruffner Page called Charles Croes about the phone records hours before
Beth and the Mt Brook group landed on Aruba.  It was Charles Croes, IMO, who contacted this Eric to
go to the Holiday Inn and find Paul Lilly.  It was a set up from the beginning.
Orinally, the "DEA" agent was supposedly at the HI and went up to the chaperone to offer his help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 21, 2009, 09:26:51 AM
Quote
Originally, the "DEA" agent was supposedly at the HI and went up to the chaperon to offer his help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 09:48:15 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.

I actually do believe he is DEA.  Couple of things that lead me in that direction.

1 - He knew Paulus was a JUDGE long before any of them had even yet laid eyes on Joran, much less knew a last name.

2 - Remember the Aruban "delegation" that met with Spencer Bachus?  Remember his comment to Greta about Aruba having been PO'd about "the wire taps"?

 ::MonkeyWink::


My line of thinking was always that Ruffner Page called Charles Croes about the phone records hours before
Beth and the Mt Brook group landed on Aruba.  It was Charles Croes, IMO, who contacted this Eric to
go to the Holiday Inn and find Paul Lilly.  It was a set up from the beginning.
Orinally, the "DEA" agent was supposedly at the HI and went up to the chaperone to offer his help.

Right!, but Julia Renfro knew way too much about this DEA agent that was supposedly from Barbados.
Remember she said that she sold him a house.....so why was he at the HI?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 21, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
There are posts and posts about Eric Williams some with photos of the one we thought was him who was working for the consulate office in Curacao.

Remember Hans Mos when asked by this case was not solved said two reasons"  the media and the DEA agent.  I have always wondered if he went to warn the Sloots as soon as Beth arrived in Aruba or what Mos meant by that.

My instincts always said that he was not a DEA agent.... at least not for the USA.

I actually do believe he is DEA.  Couple of things that lead me in that direction.

1 - He knew Paulus was a JUDGE long before any of them had even yet laid eyes on Joran, much less knew a last name.

2 - Remember the Aruban "delegation" that met with Spencer Bachus?  Remember his comment to Greta about Aruba having been PO'd about "the wire taps"?

 ::MonkeyWink::


My line of thinking was always that Ruffner Page called Charles Croes about the phone records hours before
Beth and the Mt Brook group landed on Aruba.  It was Charles Croes, IMO, who contacted this Eric to
go to the Holiday Inn and find Paul Lilly.  It was a set up from the beginning.
Orinally, the "DEA" agent was supposedly at the HI and went up to the chaperone to offer his help.

Right!, but Julia Renfro knew way too much about this DEA agent that was supposedly from Barbados.
Remember she said that she sold him a house.....so why was he at the HI?
I agree!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 11:41:28 AM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I agree too!

FBI, DEA, retired DEA?  Buys a house on Aruba from Julia of all people?  Interesting to say the least.

Didn't Julia aka Glenda say something about him either being shot or shooting somebody at that home in Aruba a while back?  I can't remember exactly now what was said, but I remember something about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 11:51:30 AM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/21-12-09/P03.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12212009_BobWit_AntilliaansDagbladP.jpg)

Google translation:

"Beyond BES-nose '

Judge Bob Wit party meeting in PDB

From one of our reporters

Kralendijk / Willemstad - The Bonaireaan needs to look "over his nose BES is ". Bob White said Saturday that the fundraising of the PDB of Willie Abraham. White is former Judge of the common Court of the Antilles and Aruba and now Judge at the Caribbean Court of Trinidad. ,, It will also not have to be fooled lay-by mirror beads and tactics, nor by threats or unrest distillery. It will be not be guided by what may Netherlands of one or the other option will think of what might be the result of alleged could be. "

The Bonaireaan the referendum will simply to rule on which direction the island would take, what a different it therefore should think. These, according White to choose from these options:
On the one hand integration, in the form of a public body: "A final choice and without way back. One way to ever fully Dutch citizen to be equal rights, but as yet no way to see. Possible ever equal rights, but barely -- least one very small - and virtually autonomy no control over the content of the applicable rules. "

On the other side in the form of association the '1993 model '. "A distinct from Netherlands entity and identity, in which a right to Netherlands consists of assistance, but no legal basis exists for equal rights. Where a large, albeit shared with the Netherlands, autonomy exists, where a large control Bonaireaan has. "

The Bonaireanen to show on how it links with the Netherlands to maintain and develop. ,, To you, Bonaireanen, to indicate where in the constitutional shoe pinches pinches of: in association or integration.  But what you find and what you think: Faith in yourself, believe in your island, believe in your culture, keep the faith and stay the course! "


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 12:32:14 PM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I agree too!

FBI, DEA, retired DEA?  Buys a house on Aruba from Julia of all people?  Interesting to say the least.

Didn't Julia aka Glenda say something about him either being shot or shooting somebody at that home in Aruba a while back?  I can't remember exactly now what was said, but I remember something about that.

I don't think I ever heard that part!!  Do tell. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 12:46:02 PM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I agree too!

FBI, DEA, retired DEA?  Buys a house on Aruba from Julia of all people?  Interesting to say the least.

Didn't Julia aka Glenda say something about him either being shot or shooting somebody at that home in Aruba a while back?  I can't remember exactly now what was said, but I remember something about that.

I don't think I ever heard that part!!  Do tell. ::MonkeyDevil::

I can't remember much more other than I think maybe he was supposedly taking the garbage out or something like that and I think he was supposedly shot.  Probably just more BS anyway...

I don't think I dreamed it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 21, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I agree too!

FBI, DEA, retired DEA?  Buys a house on Aruba from Julia of all people?  Interesting to say the least.

Didn't Julia aka Glenda say something about him either being shot or shooting somebody at that home in Aruba a while back?  I can't remember exactly now what was said, but I remember something about that.

I don't think I ever heard that part!!  Do tell. ::MonkeyDevil::

I can't remember much more other than I think maybe he was supposedly taking the garbage out or something like that and I think he was supposedly shot.  Probably just more BS anyway...

I don't think I dreamed it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::ElfMonkey::


I vaguely remember something, too, but am not sure if someone brought it over here from RU, just mentioned it or if I read it elsewhere.  I searched, but didn't find it here...it's hard when you don't remember who posted it! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I agree too!

FBI, DEA, retired DEA?  Buys a house on Aruba from Julia of all people?  Interesting to say the least.

Didn't Julia aka Glenda say something about him either being shot or shooting somebody at that home in Aruba a while back?  I can't remember exactly now what was said, but I remember something about that.

I don't think I ever heard that part!!  Do tell. ::MonkeyDevil::

I can't remember much more other than I think maybe he was supposedly taking the garbage out or something like that and I think he was supposedly shot.  Probably just more BS anyway...

I don't think I dreamed it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::ElfMonkey::


I have dreamed about this case several times. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 03:52:09 PM
(http://cheriwra.myweb.uga.edu/dee.jpg)
wanna cookie
ribbit



WHAT IF - JORAN is involved with CHEATING AT THE CASINOS, INVOLVED IN DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION RINGS ALONG WITH PAPA, PAUL BROUGH AND LORENZO



At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.
 
(Source: Deepak Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 13, 2005_


Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers
------------------------------------------------------------------------

# subdude Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:44 am

casanostra: I believe you are right and the Polis Chief, Prime Minister, JVDS, PVDS the Kalpoes, Stephen Croes and Lorenzo VanRijn are all intertwined with casanostra dealing dope, prostitution, etc…
I think Joran gots his drugs to deal there and dabbled in the sex slave trade. PVDS pimped young girls as well. Remember “PIMPle is about to pop” right before PVDS arrest?

---------------------------------------------------------------
Joran being served by Bo Dietl in New York State, U.S.

Bo Dietl: "We waited at the airport it was about two hours after the plane had landed...the FBI put him on a watchlist... Mister Joran here.
After leaving customs where he was held for over 2 hours for appearing in a FBI watchlist
, he was served again by Private Investigator Bo Dietl
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&vid=8f074d30-045b-4ba2-8a20-cd2dde1b178a&from=00
http://tinyurl.com/2ncp4f
_________________________________


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 03:59:12 PM
Beth said: he was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys


(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6388/fbicarmenadamsjune22005ou5.jpg)

FBI has dispatched a team to Aruba to help with the search
June 3, 2005: Carmen Adams with FBI
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&from=truveo&vid=8862bbe6-b715-46ac-997d-e62a770374ea



 Nancy Grace/Jug Twitty/Beth Twitty
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).
RACE: DEA?

TWITTY: Yes, there was a DEA on island, Eric Williams (ph) -- that`s another story, Nancy. But, anyway, they met us there at the Holiday Inn lobby because Paul Lilly (ph) had had such a horrific time on that Monday, the 30th, just trying to get help. He had been speaking with the beach patrol, visibility team, no one seemed to know -- talk about the right hand and left hand -- no one knew how to guide him or help him begin.




Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen
http://fight4truth.forumup.us/viewtopic.php?t=471&mforum=fight4truth
he parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel[. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.


(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)
tuesday July 26, 2005
same day that Beth upped the reward to $1 mil. Julia Renfro had this photo of Eric Williams in her newspaper.
 
July 22, 2005: ONE MILLION DOLLAR REWARD OFFERED:
Video of Jug and Beth on Greta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM8Pg-92D-M


July 29, 2005 reported on Nancy Grace:
GRACE: A $1 million reward offered for Natalee Holloway`s safe return, $100,000 reward for information on her whereabouts. Tip line, 877- 628-2533. Call toll-free.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


FILE: A member of the FBI is pictured outside the Oranjestad
Police Station. The FBI has been involved with the Natalee Holloway
case since the beginning as observers during interrogations and
giving advice to the local team of investigators. At the request of
Aruba’s Prime Minister in July, the FBI was asked to participate
in full capacity. A result is expected on Monday regarding the
legality of the FBI’s involvement in the case.


From a post Idstlou made at SM questions emailed to Jug and answered.
1) The pnone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voive mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

3)Could it have been the DEA agent?

Jug: yes

4)Do you know how this DEA agent got involved?

Jug: Will have to find out from Paul Lilly who we have tried to get in touch with but can't

5)Was the DEA agent staying at the Holiday Inn?

Jug: No

6) Did the DEA agent approach the chaperone or did the chaperone approach the DEA agent?

Jug: not sure yet

7)Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him




Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 41
When I return to the lobby the DEA agent suggest we go to Carlos 'n Charlie's to as questions and show her picture around. So we load up and head back to the shipyard area.

Page 42
Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.



02-15-2006
(responding to question: Why meet at a dark Texaco station instead of meeting at the hotel?)
When the Posse arrived (10pm), they explained to the ground crew where the Private Planes land that one of the kids received a phone message and they think it was from Natalee. The ground crew has a close relationship with Croes to be able to get rental phones for VIPs, so the ground crew called him and passed the phone to Beth who explained Natalee's character and that she was missing and her best friend received a strange call and if he could help them locate what phone it came from. Charles lives close to exactly the same distance from the Texaco as the airport, so it was a matter of location, distance and timing that Charles chose the Gas Station. The HI would have been another 2 miles away.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


I also briefly talked to agent WILLIAMS of the FBI. I had told him we had dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn. It is possible that I told him that I had kissed or had fingered Natalee. For the rest I had told him nothing.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 48
The DEA agent arrives, and all the men gather in a circle in the dirt and gravel driveway area under a streetlight in front of the van der Sloot home. Alberto and Claudio go back and forth between the group and my car to update me on the conversation.




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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 04:06:56 PM
'where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group."

Did Beth,Dave,Jug,and or anyone else in the Holloway camp use cell phones provided by this phone company,and or Aruba Kermit?


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Christmas in Baden Baden, Germany would be much nicer eh Herr Joran
We could meet at the casino -  Morder!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
'where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group."

Did Beth,Dave,Jug,and or anyone else in the Holloway camp use cell phones provided by this phone company,and or Aruba Kermit?


hummmm off the top of my head I don't remember. I know Beth had set up her phone already before she left the U.S. for International calling.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
'where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group."

Did Beth,Dave,Jug,and or anyone else in the Holloway camp use cell phones provided by this phone company,and or Aruba Kermit?


hummmm off the top of my head I don't remember. I know Beth had set up her phone already before she left the U.S. for International calling.


Do you believe that Aruba had the capablilty to monitor their calls while in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 04:18:09 PM

Christmas in Baden Baden, Germany would be much nicer eh Herr Joran
We could meet at the casino -  Morder!

OR perhaps you'd like to meet up at the Frankenstein castle in Germany. Been there once, I think you'd enjoy it.
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 04:19:38 PM
'where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group."

Did Beth,Dave,Jug,and or anyone else in the Holloway camp use cell phones provided by this phone company,and or Aruba Kermit?


hummmm off the top of my head I don't remember. I know Beth had set up her phone already before she left the U.S. for International calling.


Do you believe that Aruba had the capablilty to monitor their calls while in Aruba?

Yes. I think Dave mentioned that he knew he was phone tapped/followed. Kyle said he was followed too. Greta was followed. Seems to be SOP.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 04:21:40 PM
Magnolia new shipment of goats for your wool business is delayed due to excessive bad weather in goat land.

 ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
'where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group."

Did Beth,Dave,Jug,and or anyone else in the Holloway camp use cell phones provided by this phone company,and or Aruba Kermit?


hummmm off the top of my head I don't remember. I know Beth had set up her phone already before she left the U.S. for International calling.


Do you believe that Aruba had the capablilty to monitor their calls while in Aruba?

Yes. I think Dave mentioned that he knew he was phone tapped/followed. Kyle said he was followed too. Greta was followed. Seems to be SOP.



I figured such,but that just sucks! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 04:23:05 PM
Miss Piggy is getting a surprise on Christmas eve! ::ElfMonkey::

off to go do more shopping at the dreaded mall!
 ::hohohosanta::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 04:23:34 PM
Say hello to the Netherlands,Monkeys! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
I figured such,but that just sucks! ::MonkeyNoNo::

They did whatever it took to stop Beth.
They tried to do whatever it took to stop anyone.
I am reminded of capslockwizard and Lorenzo Webb, Kawish Misier, Mark Purcell and the POND hoax!







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 04:26:28 PM
Say hello to the Netherlands,Monkeys! ::HelloKitty::

As well as the proxy bunch,the proxy bunch,that's the way we became the proxy bunch!! ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 04:28:48 PM
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I still do not see anything that makes me think that Eric Williams was a legimate FBI or DEA agent.

I think Carmen Adams was talking about the five agents that were sent after the Mountain Brook group arrived.

I thought Charles Croes has said that a business acquaintance(Ruffner Page) had contacted him about some phone calls
and a missing girl before Beth and the group on the plane arrived on the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 04:33:50 PM
Magnolia new shipment of goats for your wool business is delayed due to excessive bad weather in goat land.

 ::MonkeyReindeer::


Maybe Santa can pick them up in his sled and bring them. ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
Good morning Monkeys!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

I agree too!

FBI, DEA, retired DEA?  Buys a house on Aruba from Julia of all people?  Interesting to say the least.

Didn't Julia aka Glenda say something about him either being shot or shooting somebody at that home in Aruba a while back?  I can't remember exactly now what was said, but I remember something about that.

I don't think I ever heard that part!!  Do tell. ::MonkeyDevil::

I can't remember much more other than I think maybe he was supposedly taking the garbage out or something like that and I think he was supposedly shot.  Probably just more BS anyway...

I don't think I dreamed it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::ElfMonkey::


I vaguely remember something, too, but am not sure if someone brought it over here from RU, just mentioned it or if I read it elsewhere.  I searched, but didn't find it here...it's hard when you don't remember who posted it! 

Thank goodness!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do think it was probably brought over from RU, but I'm not positive about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66647.php

Google translation:

"Aruba is not at all costs with Petro China '

December 21, 2009, 13:08 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) says that Aruba is not at all costs going into the sea with Petro China. He said this in response to reports about the alleged role of PetroChina and its parent company China National Petrolium Corporation (CNPC) in the genocide in Darfur, Sudan.

Petro China, despite an obvious stop in the negotiations with Aruba, the main candidate for the refinery in San Nicolas to take over. "China and companies from that country will, now they increasingly operate in other countries, to questions about human rights. We view this situation, because we do not do anything at all costs. Our priority is to open the refinery, while maintaining certain principles such as human rights. According to Eman rights were not discussed. "But indirectly it when we talked about the number of Chinese laborers who were here to work. We want job security for our people. Even if we provided that no more will safeguard the standards valid in the United States and Europe. "

"Doing business with all developed countries'
According to Minister of Finance, Utilities, Energy and Communications Mike Meza is the government of Aruba "aware" of the messages. "We screen the company also himself. The fact is that PetroChina does business in and with almost all developed countries, the United States, Netherlands, Germany, France and Spain to Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela. It is our country and through mutual agreements and legislation to prevent disasters occur or that companies make abuse of a country. We are now working through contracts to prevent this happening in some other countries have done. "If there really is one of human rights abuses by business and the Netherlands and other countries here to speak, Aruba also is acting appropriately, De Meza said. He published several reports in the media and it is difficult to verify them all. "We keep in touch with international organizations that monitor the situation."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66645.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Aruba Resort open this week"

December 21, 2009, 13:04 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (ASF) aims this week The Aruban Resort to open again. This week because there are a thousand tourists in the resort expected. "We can send these people hard a letter that no room is more."

Because the holidays are much toeristen accomedaties nearly full, Oduber said. "It is therefore important that The Aruban Resort opens." The Minister of Tourism recognizes that the role of government is limited to the bankrupt hotel back on track. But, says the minister, the SVB is also unusually quickly arranged for the dismissal of the more than 200 employees are paid. These employees receive their money before Christmas. The minister had sought to speed up the process after hotelier KL Sales & Marketing Management Company last week was declared bankrupt by the court. Usually it takes at least six weeks before termination benefits are paid. Oduber also let know not to talk with Paul Moor, the owner of the building, on the future of the hotel. He is talking with the Polycom Group. There is also consultation with the Aruban Investors Bank to see if they can find bank funds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66644.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Police: Catering to stay up

December 21, 2009, 13:03 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Catering establishments which a special request to the police have made during the holidays to stay open longer, get that authorization.

The police maintains the regular closing time of three hours at night.

For both Christmas Eve and New Year, many night clubs submitted a request to stay open longer, police said. Theo Sanders of party organization I Love Muzika said his organization still a license to stay open longer with Old and New. "If not, we involve a lawyer."

It is in the past have often succeeded through legal ways to still get a late closing time for December 31. "It is also true that such license applies only to the mainland of Aruba. Festivals not be kept on the mainland, could go on. "Sanders confirms that any movement of the party to the Tattoo party boat is an option. Today festival organizers and nightclub owners sat at the table with justice to talking about the closing. According to police, the police spokesman John Larmonie note that legal action be initiated because of the planned maintenance of the regular closing time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
TM!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this much......

Glenda Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:08 am   

iquitos wrote:


glenda: One of my American neighbors was killed with one bullet while taking the trash out. His family left the island withing 2 hours of his death. There was no investigation made public, not even initials.

He was DEA.

Could this be the same guy? His family was probably in Quito.

Glenda wrote:
No, not the same guy. I'm refering to something that happened in the mid 90s. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 21, 2009, 06:12:02 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Good work, Magnolia!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 06:20:07 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  Good work, Magnolia!! 



You know that I am not adept at searching, so I was proud that I found that much. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::ElfMonkey::


Edit:  Typo'd Magnolia's name!!!    


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 21, 2009, 07:31:59 PM
I've been without power, so I'm just jumping around telling everybody I've missed them!!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

 ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: to you guys!!!   ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 21, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
Kermit and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.
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I still do not see anything that makes me think that Eric Williams was a legimate FBI or DEA agent.

I think Carmen Adams was talking about the five agents that were sent after the Mountain Brook group arrived.

I thought Charles Croes has said that a business acquaintance(Ruffner Page) had contacted him about some phone calls
and a missing girl before Beth and the group on the plane arrived on the island.


Beth said: he was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 21, 2009, 07:56:32 PM
Kermit and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.
 ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta:: ::hohohosanta::



I still do not see anything that makes me think that Eric Williams was a legimate FBI or DEA agent.

I think Carmen Adams was talking about the five agents that were sent after the Mountain Brook group arrived.

I thought Charles Croes has said that a business acquaintance(Ruffner Page) had contacted him about some phone calls
and a missing girl before Beth and the group on the plane arrived on the island.


Beth said: he was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys



OK!!!  I will believe you. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
TM!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I found this much......

Glenda Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:08 am   

iquitos wrote:


glenda: One of my American neighbors was killed with one bullet while taking the trash out. His family left the island withing 2 hours of his death. There was no investigation made public, not even initials.

He was DEA.

Could this be the same guy? His family was probably in Quito.

Glenda wrote:
No, not the same guy. I'm refering to something that happened in the mid 90s. 


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

You're awesome!   ::CowboySmiley::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 21, 2009, 09:40:42 PM
Hello Good Monkeys...Hope everyone is getting ready to enjoy a Merry Christmas with family and friends... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 21, 2009, 09:50:14 PM
I'm probably off base here.....but I thought I read somewhere that a DEA agent (Eric Williams) went missing in Iran sometime in 2006/2007 and hasn't been found/accounted for by Iran.... ::MonkeyConfused::
I thought at the time that it was one more potential link to Natalee's disappearance that went "poof"...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 21, 2009, 10:19:00 PM
I'm probably off base here.....but I thought I read somewhere that a DEA agent (Eric Williams) went missing in Iran sometime in 2006/2007 and hasn't been found/accounted for by Iran.... ::MonkeyConfused::
I thought at the time that it was one more potential link to Natalee's disappearance that went "poof"...

It was Robert Levinson that went missing in Iran...I thought there was a link to Eric Williams? They were both FBI and/or DEA...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 21, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
Robert Levinson, Missing in Iran Since 3/8/07
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=754&highlight=Levinson


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 21, 2009, 10:27:40 PM
BillB... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 21, 2009, 10:40:22 PM
BillB... ::MonkeyFootball::

Doesn't get much better than that Ktf....
From clinching playoff berth to AFC West Champs.....
Thank you Oakland...::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 21, 2009, 10:41:27 PM
Robert Levinson, Missing in Iran Since 3/8/07
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=754&highlight=Levinson
Nut44x4....I must be slipping.....I thought there was a link to our eric Williams...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 10:44:31 PM
Hello Good Monkeys...Hope everyone is getting ready to enjoy a Merry Christmas with family and friends... ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi billb!  Sorry...been on the phone!   ::snowmanlaugh::   (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/image009MA15364474-0115.gif)

Not quite ready, but I'm getting there!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 21, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
Hello Good Monkeys...Hope everyone is getting ready to enjoy a Merry Christmas with family and friends... ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi billb!  Sorry...been on the phone!   ::snowmanlaugh::   (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/image009MA15364474-0115.gif)

Not quite ready, but I'm getting there!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
Glad to hear your getting there TM..While ready your posts on your Christmas challenges getting ready, I can't help but think of my bride going through them too...
I'm not a good helper at Christmas...
I hope your family appreciates you as much as my family (and me) appreciates my brides efforts..... ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 11:03:05 PM
Hello Good Monkeys...Hope everyone is getting ready to enjoy a Merry Christmas with family and friends... ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi billb!  Sorry...been on the phone!   ::snowmanlaugh::   (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/image009MA15364474-0115.gif)

Not quite ready, but I'm getting there!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::
Glad to hear your getting there TM..While ready your posts on your Christmas challenges getting ready, I can't help but think of my bride going through them too...
I'm not a good helper at Christmas...
I hope your family appreciates you as much as my family (and me) appreciates my brides efforts..... ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Thanks billb, that's really nice of you!  Hubby went with me shopping a couple times over the weekend...yes, I forced him to go!  He at least helped with the parking and loading/unloading!  And I do think he appreciates that I usually do it all, he let me pick where we went out for dinner afterwards.
 ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 21, 2009, 11:43:40 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Does that mean what I think it means?  (One brother of Joran in custody in U.S. but for another case?)

Quote
till still have one apparently one brother of joran close at merca but for another caso.



Different translators give different results but may be worth checking into! 


http://www.diario.aw/2009/12/masha-poco-interes-pa-busca-homber-perdi/

Original Text:

Masha Poco Interes Pa Busca Homber Perdi

Publication: Dialuna, 21 December 2009. Categoria: Policial

ORANJESTAD.(AAN);Masha poco interes tabata tin segun informe, pa a forma un grupo grandi pa busca e anciano cu ta perde pa algun dia caba.

Polisnan, Cruz Cora y poco voluntario a participa  na e accion pa sa paradero di Laurentsz  Rock.

Ayera tambe a sigui cu a buskeda cu e speranza pa localize.

Ta trata di un cuidadano di basta edad.

Mientras tanto  te ainda no a tende tampoco a localiza e varios otro persona cu ta perdi. Entre otro Jose  Herrera pa varios luna caba ningun hende sa di su paradero.

Tambe segun otro informe Manuel Vicencio Tromp luna pasa dia 27 di November a hasi dos aña cu Manuel a sali for di su cas situa den West straat, aparentemente  pa bay hasi un diligencia y desde e dia ey e no a bolbe cas mas.

Tambe e señora Judith Martinus pa basta aña caba el a desaparece, ni su auto a wordo localiza  Tur e casonan aki te ainda ta keda un misterio y mester keda haya atencion.

Ta increibel cu riba un isla chikito asina, tin hende ta desaparece y cu no tin un solo alma sa of duna tip di oro pa por soluciona e sufrimento di nan sernan keri.

Tur e casonan  menciona mester lanta un team special pa saca mas dato’s y bay mas profundo relaciona cu nan paradero.

Por ultimo e caso Natalee Holliway tampoco oficialmente no a wak luz di dia.

E caso aki tambe a keda un misterio tanto riba tereno local como internacionalmente masha atencion negativo e caso aki a haya.

A detene, a sera,  a laga bay, a bolbe detene sospechoso, a graba secretamente nada di tur esaki no a yuda pa saca e berdad unda e mucha aki a keda.

Te ainda tin un aparentemente un brother di Joran sera na Merca pero pa otro caso.

Apesar cu lo dura siman, luna, hasta aña, un dia lo por tin claridad relaciona un of mas di esnan perdi.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Papiamentu translation:

very some interest for busca man perdi

publication: monday, 21 december 2009. categoria: policial

oranjestad.(aan);masha some interest was have according informe, for owing to form one are big for busca the anciano cu is lose for some day end.

polisnan, cruz cora y some voluntario owing to participa at the accion for know paradero of laurentsz rock.

yesterday also owing to follow cu owing to buskeda cu the speranza for localize.

is deal of one cuidadano of enough edad.

all the time till still not owing to hear niether owing to localiza the several another person cu is perdi. among another jose herrera for several month end none person know of his paradero.

also according another informe manuel vicencio tromp month happen day 27 of november owing to make two year cu manuel owing to leave for of his cas situa in west straat, apparently for bay make one diligencia y by the day ey the not owing to go back cas more.

also the madam judith martinus for enough year end past owing to desaparece, neither his car owing to wordo localiza all the casonan here till still is stay one enigma y have to stay achieve atencion.

is increibel cu on one island diminutive so, have person is desaparece y cu not have one sun soul know or give tip of gold for can soluciona the sufrimento of they sernan keri.

all the casonan menciona have to arise one team special for saca more dato’s y bay more deep relaciona cu they paradero.

can ultimo the caso natalee holliway niether oficialmente not owing to look at luz of day. the caso here also owing to stay one enigma tanto on territory local because; internacionalmente very atencion negative the caso here owing to achieve. owing to detene, owing to close, owing to let bay, owing to go back detene sospechoso, owing to graba secretamente nothing of all this not owing to help for saca the berdad where the child here owing to stay. till still have one apparently one brother of joran close at merca but for another caso.

despite cu will last week, month, even year, one day will can have claridad relaciona one or more of esnan perdi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 01:37:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 22, 2009, 07:50:04 AM
Robert Levinson, Missing in Iran Since 3/8/07
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=754&highlight=Levinson
Nut44x4....I must be slipping.....I thought there was a link to our eric Williams...

We have discussed him in depth many times, but I don't think we have a thread here just for him. (I am not sure if that is what you mean). Our Who's Who mentions very little:
WILLIAMS, Eric - DEA agent on Aruba
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=204.msg33347#msg33347

Scanning SM w/ a search provides many areas of discussion of him. I'll post a few...there are literally hundreds.

« Reply #609 on: November 18, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg547552#msg547552

Reply #209 on: April 13, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2784.msg373364#msg373364

« Reply #328 on: May 10, 2007
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1131.msg157254#msg157254

Reply #976 on: January 29, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333818#msg333818

Reply #301 on: January 31, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2548.msg334311#msg334311
Link to Eric Williams discussion from early December. It was discussed over quite a few pages from the evening into the next morning. Joran mentions U.S. agencies many times in his book and PVs. Paulus mentions him twice in PVs.…IMO that book is his way of telling that he has the ‘dirt’ on them.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2417.400

Reply #919 on: April 23, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg376583#msg376583

Reply #129 on: October 27, 2006
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=480.msg65691#msg65691

I could do this for a week straight and still not have them all, lmao. I guess I am not sure of what you are looking for.... ??




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 22, 2009, 10:04:53 AM
Robert Levinson, Missing in Iran Since 3/8/07
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=754&highlight=Levinson
Nut44x4....I must be slipping.....I thought there was a link to our eric Williams...

We have discussed him in depth many times, but I don't think we have a thread here just for him. (I am not sure if that is what you mean). Our Who's Who mentions very little:
WILLIAMS, Eric - DEA agent on Aruba
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=204.msg33347#msg33347

Scanning SM w/ a search provides many areas of discussion of him. I'll post a few...there are literally hundreds.

« Reply #609 on: November 18, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg547552#msg547552

Reply #209 on: April 13, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2784.msg373364#msg373364

« Reply #328 on: May 10, 2007
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1131.msg157254#msg157254

Reply #976 on: January 29, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333818#msg333818

Reply #301 on: January 31, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2548.msg334311#msg334311
Link to Eric Williams discussion from early December. It was discussed over quite a few pages from the evening into the next morning. Joran mentions U.S. agencies many times in his book and PVs. Paulus mentions him twice in PVs.…IMO that book is his way of telling that he has the ‘dirt’ on them.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2417.400

Reply #919 on: April 23, 2008
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg376583#msg376583

Reply #129 on: October 27, 2006
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=480.msg65691#msg65691

I could do this for a week straight and still not have them all, lmao. I guess I am not sure of what you are looking for.... ??



Nut44x4....Thanks for looking...
My mistake...I thought there was a connection to Eric Williams and Robert Levinson someway...But probably not.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 22, 2009, 10:45:22 AM
 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 11:31:16 AM

Thanks 2NJ!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/12/recepcion-na-honor-di-man-and-woman-of-the-year-2009/

Original text:

Recepcion Na Honor Di Man And Woman Of The Year 2009

Publication: Diamars, 22 December 2009. Categoria: General

ORANJESTAD(AAN)– Na residencia di Sr. Jossy Mansur, director di DIARIO y Sra. Nuhad Mansur, a tuma lugar ayera anochi e tradicional recepcion na honor di Man and Woman of the Year .
Prome Ministro Sr. Mike Eman y Ministro di Cultura Sra. Michelle Hooyboer-Winklaar ta e personahenan cu e aña aki a ricibi e honor aki.
 
Durante e recepcion tur dos a ricibi nan respectivo plaquette relaciona cu nan eleccion  di parti gerencia y staff di redaccion di DIARIO. E fotonan ta di e recepcion ayera anochi.

Papiamentu translation:

recepcion at honor of hand and woman or the year 2009

publication: tuesday, 22 december 2009. categoria: general

oranjestad(aan)– at residencia of sr. jossy mansur, director of daily paper y sra. nuhad mansur, did take lugar yesterday night the tradicional recepcion at honor of hand and woman or the year come across. first ministro sr. mike eman y ministro of cultura sra. michelle hooyboer- winklaar is the personahenan cu the year here owing to ricibi the honor here. during the recepcion all two owing to ricibi they respectivo plaquette relaciona cu they eleccion of part gerencia y staff of redaccion of daily paper. the fotonan is of the recepcion yesterday night.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/manwoman2.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/manwoman11.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/manwoman12.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/manwoman10.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/manwoman14.jpg)

More pics at the link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 09:19:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66694.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Attorney summoned Duijn Field

December 22, 2009, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Attorneys Edwin Duijn and Peter Field Mohamed summoned in the wake of the Domino case. Also businessman Luis Mansur, who has been convicted in this case, was summoned.

Duijn Field Sat 19 days last year held on suspicion of involvement in fraudulent bankruptcy, bankruptcy fraud and forgery. Mansur ringleader was sentenced to nearly seven years. He led an extensive criminal network that bulk drugs into Aruba and other countries in the region smuggled and traded. This case became known as Domino case. Lawyer Duijn Field worked for Mansur. During the investigation the suspicion arose that the judiciary counsel Mansur money from the bankrupt has diverted or kept out of bankruptcy. That money would then be used for drug trafficking to finance Mansur. When Mohamed and Field Duijn, partners in the same law firm, must avoid is not known.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 09:45:59 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66688.php

Google translation:

Ceremony for Pilot Mansell

December 22, 2009, 13:23 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/22-pag-03-afscheid-robert-m.gif)

After the ceremony, the coffin on board the KLM flight to the Netherlands also placed by the escort of policemen who had accompanied the transport from Otrobanda to Hato.

PHILIPSBURG - The privately held yesterday on the tarmac of an airport Hato farewell ceremony of the Divi Divi-pilot killed Robert Mansell. "Whatever the answers to the many remaining questions, you still my hero."

Passenger Eric Hagendoorn, which forced landing at sea in late October Klein Bonaire survived was emotional, but especially grateful in his speech. Grateful to Mansell, who died, and especially grateful to the Antillean and Dutch government took their responsibilities regarding the storage and research.

The ceremony took place at the initiative of the British honorary consul Anthony Owens. Of local government attended Emily de Jongh-Elhage Prime Ministers and Maurice Adriaens (Transport), Ersilia "Zus" de Lannoy (Finance) and Magali Jacoba (Justice) yesterday at the ceremony, along with the surviving passengers and staff of Divi Divi Air. The Prime Minister recalled the heroic Adriaens Mansell, who lives with his emergency landing of the rescued all nine passengers.

After the hearse on the platform came the coffin was lifted from the car and on a special cart to the plane ready. Mansell's body lay in a metal box decorated with a British flag and a flower arrangement. After the ceremony, the coffin on board the KLM flight to the Netherlands also placed by the escort of policemen who had accompanied the transport from Otrobanda to Hato.

Adriaens and his Dutch Transport Minister Camiel Eurlings vakcollega initiated after the disaster on October 22 the recovery of the aircraft. Except that the airplane pulled up is important for the investigation, attached great importance to the survivors Robert Mansell in his homeland to bury. Netherlands finances the storage which was conducted by Smit Salvage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 22, 2009, 10:08:55 PM
From those photos, Jossy has gained a lot of weight.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 22, 2009, 10:11:07 PM
Magnolia, I tend to agree with you that something is sinister with Eric Williams.  Why would Mos say he was one of two reasons this case was not solved?

He may have been a legit DEA agent if Beth says so but I still think that even as such, he was definitely up to no good.

Remember Deepak's car inside the fence as seen by Charles Croes?  Yet when Beth 7 Jug got there, it was gone, etc.  I have always thought Williams tipped them off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 22, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
Hi, TexasMom!

I had a friend whose dog ate two gold necklaces that were Christmas presents.  Keep an eye on those Jacks, lol!

Hope you are all ready now.  I am getting there but slowly, bit by bit and keep adding stuff to do.

Thank you for all the articles.  I do scan them as best I can every day.  Sometimes I am in the rafters especially this busy time of the year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 10:50:53 PM
Hi, TexasMom!

I had a friend whose dog ate two gold necklaces that were Christmas presents.  Keep an eye on those Jacks, lol!

Hope you are all ready now.  I am getting there but slowly, bit by bit and keep adding stuff to do.

Thank you for all the articles.  I do scan them as best I can every day.  Sometimes I am in the rafters especially this busy time of the year.

Hi Anna!

Oh my, those were expensive "treats"!   ::snowmanlaugh::

Yes, I have my eye on the little rascals...they will try to eat anything!  I've retrieved many things included a bottle cap one of them was chewing on!  I was just thankful he didn't swallow it!   ::MonkeyEek::

I can only think of one more gift I need to get before Christmas, and I'm hoping my DH will pick that up for me since it's for his dad.  I'll have a few more to pick up after Christmas for out of state family that will get their gifts later.  So tomorrow I hope to put the tree up and wrap all day!  I picked up a couple new toys for the Jack Russell's today, so I'm hoping they will chew on them and not my ornaments!

I wish I could find some good news in Natalee's case!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 22, 2009, 11:10:21 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 22, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
Is this the Silent Monkeys forum? ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 22, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
See the Silent Monks sing!!!! ::santawink::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSk8h1oG8nY&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 22, 2009, 11:36:55 PM
Is this the Silent Monkeys forum? ::ElfMonkey::

I've been in and out of here, but just updated another MP thread and added another. 

It's not Silent Night yet, but I'm sure Monkeys are busy preparing for the holiday. 

Magnolia, I look everyday for something new to bring here.  TM has me beat with her news articles, but I do know that there are several Monkeys out there that have been quiet but have not lost interest in this case in the least.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 22, 2009, 11:43:25 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0

PROCES VERBAAL

   We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony Burke,
respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the Korps
Politie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime
District 2, state the following.

   On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a
suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was:
   Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT
born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court)
and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

   Before the interview the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT
was informed that he was under no obligation to answer.

   The suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT has asked if his council
Mr. A. SWAEN could be present at this interview and this was also
requested by his council. This request was denied.
   His statement in dutch was transcribed by us, the reporting
officers and goes as follows:

snip:

Quote
I understood that the watch-commander
had no objections to the police-officers going to the Holiday Inn together
with Deepak, Joran and myself. When we arrived at the Holiday Inn
there was a dark coloured man there standing with folded arms who
later introduced himself as WILLIAMS from the F.B.I.
This man immediately
took Joran separately and had a short talk with him.
I also went over to
WILLIAMS and asked him what his function was. Then he told me he
was with the F.B.I. so I returned to the the police officers and asked
them whether they knew that F.B.I. officers were present there.
They told me they did not know anything about that.

snip




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 22, 2009, 11:45:22 PM
See the Silent Monks sing!!!! ::santawink::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSk8h1oG8nY&feature=related

 ::hohohosanta::    ::MonkeyAngel::  You made me watch this, again....had seen it last year, I think. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 22, 2009, 11:47:34 PM
Is this the Silent Monkeys forum? ::ElfMonkey::

I've been in and out of here, but just updated another MP thread and added another. 

It's not Silent Night yet, but I'm sure Monkeys are busy preparing for the holiday. 

Magnolia, I look everyday for something new to bring here.  TM has me beat with her news articles, but I do know that there are several Monkeys out there that have been quiet but have not lost interest in this case in the least.


I know 2NJ, I was just attempting to be funny. ::ElfMonkey::  We all still care.

I know everybody is busy preparing for Christmas.  I haven't gotten the dog toys yet and I have to
get the cold cuts for Christmas Eve tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 22, 2009, 11:50:17 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0

PROCES VERBAAL

   We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony Burke,
respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the Korps
Politie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime
District 2, state the following.

   On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a
suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was:
   Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT
born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court)
and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

   Before the interview the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT
was informed that he was under no obligation to answer.

   The suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT has asked if his council
Mr. A. SWAEN could be present at this interview and this was also
requested by his council. This request was denied.
   His statement in dutch was transcribed by us, the reporting
officers and goes as follows:

snip:

Quote
I understood that the watch-commander
had no objections to the police-officers going to the Holiday Inn together
with Deepak, Joran and myself. When we arrived at the Holiday Inn
there was a dark coloured man there standing with folded arms who
later introduced himself as WILLIAMS from the F.B.I.
This man immediately
took Joran separately and had a short talk with him.
I also went over to
WILLIAMS and asked him what his function was. Then he told me he
was with the F.B.I. so I returned to the the police officers and asked
them whether they knew that F.B.I. officers were present there.
They told me they did not know anything about that.

snip




Cool,TM.   ::MonkeyCool::
That is a great find.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 22, 2009, 11:59:26 PM
A thought I've had from the beginning is that DEA and FBI are two different agencies.  Drug Enforcement Administration and Federal Bureau of Investigation may coordinate efforts but are two separate entities, as far as I know.  My boys went to school with kids whose Dad's were in each.  One in FBI moved early in their elementary school years but the DEA family are still here, to my knowledge.

How easy is it to call someone with the DEA an FBI or the opposite? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 23, 2009, 12:04:09 AM
A thought I've had from the beginning is that DEA and FBI are two different agencies.  Drug Enforcement Administration and Federal Bureau of Investigation may coordinate efforts but are two separate entities, as far as I know.  My boys went to school with kids whose Dad's were in each.  One in FBI moved early in their elementary school years but the DEA family are still here, to my knowledge.

How easy is it to call someone with the DEA an FBI or the opposite? 

I agree 2NJ.  There is a distinct difference.  I have heard Willliams referred to as both FBI and DEA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 12:09:06 AM
A thought I've had from the beginning is that DEA and FBI are two different agencies.  Drug Enforcement Administration and Federal Bureau of Investigation may coordinate efforts but are two separate entities, as far as I know.  My boys went to school with kids whose Dad's were in each.  One in FBI moved early in their elementary school years but the DEA family are still here, to my knowledge.

How easy is it to call someone with the DEA an FBI or the opposite? 

I agree 2NJ.  There is a distinct difference.  I have heard Willliams referred to as both FBI and DEA.

Yes, I agree with both of you.  Maybe the police didn't know anything about an FBI agent being there because they knew he was DEA.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 12:10:43 AM
Anyone remember if Joran described him in his book?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 23, 2009, 12:37:52 AM
Anyone remember if Joran described him in his book?

I don't remember him doing so, but....

Just looked at what I could find here but a search found only reference to FBI but I didn't see a description...it's late so my mind may not be as sharp...that's not saying it will be better in the AM....       ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hannie's translation thread, here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 12:45:15 AM
HT Kermit
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)

This is the page from Aruba Today that Kermit posted a few pages back.

I have strained my eyes beyond belief trying to see the picture, I wish I could see it a little better!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

If the picture on the bottom right is the one that Eric Williams is in, the second line in the description under it has "FBI" in it. 

So was he in the picture with others that were FBI?  Or was that description wrong?

The guy in the gray shirt/dark pants doesn't look dark skinned to me.

From what I can see, the man in the center of the group of three to the left also looks like the same guy that was on Persistence!  And I think the guy in the white (police uniform?)could be Papito.

(From the other cases I've seen the Persistence guy on the scene of, I don't think he's DEA.)

I want to know which one is supposed to be Eric Williams!  Pretty please!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Is he the one that might be whispering in the Persistence guys ear? 

Or the one standing on the other side in jeans?

Or is he the guy in the gray shirt and dark pants, and maybe just had a good tan in May 2005?   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 12:49:33 AM
Anyone remember if Joran described him in his book?

I don't remember him doing so, but....

Just looked at what I could find here but a search found only reference to FBI but I didn't see a description...it's late so my mind may not be as sharp...that's not saying it will be better in the AM....       ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hannie's translation thread, here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

Thanks 2NJ!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 23, 2009, 12:51:18 AM
HT Kermit
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)

This is the page from Aruba Today that Kermit posted a few pages back.

I have strained my eyes beyond belief trying to see the picture, I wish I could see it a little better!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

If the picture on the bottom right is the one that Eric Williams is in, the second line in the description under it has "FBI" in it. 

So was he in the picture with others that were FBI?  Or was that description wrong?

The guy in the gray shirt/dark pants doesn't look dark skinned to me.

From what I can see, the man in the center of the group of three to the left also looks like the same guy that was on Persistence!  And I think the guy in the white (police uniform?)could be Papito.

(From the other cases I've seen the Persistence guy on the scene of, I don't think he's DEA.)

I want to know which one is supposed to be Eric Williams!  Pretty please!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Is he the one that might be whispering in the Persistence guys ear? 

Or the one standing on the other side in jeans?

Or is he the guy in the gray shirt and dark pants, and maybe just had a good tan in May 2005?   ::MonkeyWink::




TM, I blew it up to 400% and I can see that the picture on the bottom right only has one black man in it.
It is the one on the left in the short sleeve shirt.  The print says something about an FBI agent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 01:07:30 AM
(Sorry for the slow response...my dogs are under the table and unplugged my computer for a second so it went through start up again!)

I agree Magnolia, but I do think 2 or 3 of the others could be of medium skin tone, and the guy in the gray shirt looks white to me.

I think I'm going to try blowing it up again!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 23, 2009, 01:25:22 AM
(Sorry for the slow response...my dogs are under the table and unplugged my computer for a second so it went through start up again!)

I agree Magnolia, but I do think 2 or 3 of the others could be of medium skin tone, and the guy in the gray shirt looks white to me.

I think I'm going to try blowing it up again!   


They all look white to me except the one with the shirt tail out on the left.
The one in the police uniform looks maybe a little darker...like Aruban.
The one iwth the shirt tail out looks older than the others.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 01:31:06 AM
(Sorry for the slow response...my dogs are under the table and unplugged my computer for a second so it went through start up again!)

I agree Magnolia, but I do think 2 or 3 of the others could be of medium skin tone, and the guy in the gray shirt looks white to me.

I think I'm going to try blowing it up again!   


They all look white to me except the one with the shirt tail out on the left.
The one in the police uniform looks maybe a little darker...like Aruban.
The one iwth the shirt tail out looks older than the others.

Yes, I agree.  I can't really tell about the age of the one with the shirt tail out.

Do you think one of the guys looks like the guy on the Persistence?  The one between the police officer and the one with his shirt tail out?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 23, 2009, 01:52:38 AM
HT Kermit
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)

This is the page from Aruba Today that Kermit posted a few pages back.

I have strained my eyes beyond belief trying to see the picture, I wish I could see it a little better!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

If the picture on the bottom right is the one that Eric Williams is in, the second line in the description under it has "FBI" in it. 

So was he in the picture with others that were FBI?  Or was that description wrong?

The guy in the gray shirt/dark pants doesn't look dark skinned to me.

From what I can see, the man in the center of the group of three to the left also looks like the same guy that was on Persistence!  And I think the guy in the white (police uniform?)could be Papito.

(From the other cases I've seen the Persistence guy on the scene of, I don't think he's DEA.)

I want to know which one is supposed to be Eric Williams!  Pretty please!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Is he the one that might be whispering in the Persistence guys ear? 

Or the one standing on the other side in jeans?

Or is he the guy in the gray shirt and dark pants, and maybe just had a good tan in May 2005?   ::MonkeyWink::




TM, I blew it up to 400% and I can see that the picture on the bottom right only has one black man in it.
It is the one on the left in the short sleeve shirt.  The print says something about an FBI agent.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/williams072605a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 01:57:36 AM
Thanks Klaas!

After doing this to compare, I think I'm changing my mind about him looking like the Persistence guy.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 02:00:13 AM
I don't know...I think I'll look at it some more with fresh eyes tomorrow!   ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 03:18:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!  ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
Magnolia, I tend to agree with you that something is sinister with Eric Williams.  Why would Mos say he was one of two reasons this case was not solved?

He may have been a legit DEA agent if Beth says so but I still think that even as such, he was definitely up to no good.

Remember Deepak's car inside the fence as seen by Charles Croes?  Yet when Beth 7 Jug got there, it was gone, etc.  I have always thought Williams tipped them off.

I know (and understand) some are skeptics when it comes to Williams - but I personally have always believed he was one of the good guys.

The tip off that came to the vd Sloots - because I wholeheartedly agree there was one - I believe came from Claudio Stamper.  In the Freebirds Series "In the Face of Evil" we pointed out how he could have been the one.

I think one of the reasons Mos said the DEA was part of the reason the case failed - was because of the wire taps.

There are three things that lead us to a possible conclusion it was a vd Sloot phone that was tapped.

1 - The delegation that met with Bachus was SO not happy about "wire taps" as it related to this case.

2 - Williams knew Paulus was a Judge before Beth and Jug even had a last name for Joran.  He told them at the HI that he wanted to go with them to ".......the JUDGE'S house......"

3 - Rudy Croes was aware of several conversations Paulus had with vd Straten within those first few weeks, and we all know that Aruba certainly wasn't tapping either of those people's phones, LOL.

I believe Williams was undercover doing his job - a drug sting, and what helped me further solidify that belief, was the pic of him that Renfro published in her paper that exposed him (Kerm posted a couple pages back).  I firmly believe she did that on purpose.

I also firmly believe that all the horse puckey she posted at RU and FOB about him after the fact was just that - Horse Puckey.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:32:07 AM
Is this the Silent Monkeys forum? ::ElfMonkey::

I've been in and out of here, but just updated another MP thread and added another. 

It's not Silent Night yet, but I'm sure Monkeys are busy preparing for the holiday. 

Magnolia, I look everyday for something new to bring here.  TM has me beat with her news articles, but I do know that there are several Monkeys out there that have been quiet but have not lost interest in this case in the least.

I'm definitely one of them!

Sorry I've been so silent lately - I've been extremely busy on the homefront with personal stuff.  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:34:15 AM
A thought I've had from the beginning is that DEA and FBI are two different agencies.  Drug Enforcement Administration and Federal Bureau of Investigation may coordinate efforts but are two separate entities, as far as I know.  My boys went to school with kids whose Dad's were in each.  One in FBI moved early in their elementary school years but the DEA family are still here, to my knowledge.

How easy is it to call someone with the DEA an FBI or the opposite? 

I think it would be fairly easy for someone from another country to confuse the two.

However, I don't for one second believe that Paulus inadvertently confused the issue.

I think he was attempting to downplay the fact that DEA was on the island - see my post on phone taps above.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:35:00 AM
A thought I've had from the beginning is that DEA and FBI are two different agencies.  Drug Enforcement Administration and Federal Bureau of Investigation may coordinate efforts but are two separate entities, as far as I know.  My boys went to school with kids whose Dad's were in each.  One in FBI moved early in their elementary school years but the DEA family are still here, to my knowledge.

How easy is it to call someone with the DEA an FBI or the opposite? 

I agree 2NJ.  There is a distinct difference.  I have heard Willliams referred to as both FBI and DEA.

Yes, I agree with both of you.  Maybe the police didn't know anything about an FBI agent being there because they knew he was DEA.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Maybe they didn't know at all.  ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe that's why the phone taps pissed them off so badly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
HT Kermit
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)

This is the page from Aruba Today that Kermit posted a few pages back.

I have strained my eyes beyond belief trying to see the picture, I wish I could see it a little better!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

If the picture on the bottom right is the one that Eric Williams is in, the second line in the description under it has "FBI" in it. 

So was he in the picture with others that were FBI?  Or was that description wrong?

The guy in the gray shirt/dark pants doesn't look dark skinned to me.

From what I can see, the man in the center of the group of three to the left also looks like the same guy that was on Persistence!  And I think the guy in the white (police uniform?)could be Papito.

(From the other cases I've seen the Persistence guy on the scene of, I don't think he's DEA.)

I want to know which one is supposed to be Eric Williams!  Pretty please!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Is he the one that might be whispering in the Persistence guys ear? 

Or the one standing on the other side in jeans?

Or is he the guy in the gray shirt and dark pants, and maybe just had a good tan in May 2005?   ::MonkeyWink::



I believe it's the guy in the grey shirt and dark pants......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 23, 2009, 08:40:59 AM
I don't doubt for one second that a FBI agent wouldn't reveal his TRUE actual affiliation or an DEA agent the same if they were working "undercover" in another capacity. Especially when in a foreign country.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on December 23, 2009, 08:41:41 AM
Best wishes for a Blessed Holiday Season to all my Monkey friends  ::hohohosanta::

****************************************************************
Will they ever tell us what they know/knew?????


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/05/natalee-holloway-why-more-fbi-agents-were-summoned-to-aruba/

Natalee Holloway; Disturbing Reason Why More FBI Agents Were Summoned to Aruba
The Birmingham News

Aruba, Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig hinted at a swift resolution in the case that has baffled authorities and grabbed international attention.

“I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours,” Dompig said Saturday. “There will be developments after this weekend.”

A family spokeswoman in Birmingham said much the same.

“They’re watching them very closely,” Holloway’s aunt, Marcia Twitty, said of the three men.

Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”


****************************************************

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/06/natalee-holloway-fbi-dive-teams-sent-to-aruba/

Natalee Holloway; Prayer Vigil In Aruba
There is not much new information coming out of Aruba with reference to missing teen, Natalee Holloway. Although Aruban authorities have stated that government employees are allowed to take the day off and search for the missing teen.

Last night there was a prayer vigil in Aruba at what I am assuming was the California Lighthouse.

As AP reports today with regards to the two men arrested yesterday in San Nicolas, Aruba:

“The charges have a relationship with the disappearance,” Janssen said. “There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved.”

According to CNN FBI dive teams leave Monday to go to Aruba.

Investigators on Monday planned to send an FBI dive team into the Caribbean waters off Aruba, where an 18-year-old Alabama student vanished a week ago at the end of a graduate class trip.

Police on Sunday charged two security guards with crimes related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

9:00 am EDT: In an interview this morning with Fox & Friends, Mountain Brook, AL Mayor Terry Oden was pretty tight lipped about speculating at what may have happened to Natalee Holloway. He was certainly somber when conducting the interview and only made mention when asked to speculate and and I paraphrase, “I have seen the dark side of life in my career.”



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 23, 2009, 08:43:27 AM
I don't doubt for one second that a FBI agent wouldn't reveal his TRUE actual affiliation or an DEA agent the same if they were working "undercover" in another capacity. Especially when in a foreign country.
That was a long-winded way in saying that US agents may not want to reveal their ACTUAL government affiliations while working undercover.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:43:29 AM
I don't doubt for one second that a FBI agent wouldn't reveal his TRUE actual affiliation or an DEA agent the same if they were working "undercover" in another capacity. Especially when in a foreign country.

Agreed Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 08:46:41 AM
Hi Sharon honey!!!  I love you my friend, and hope you have a wonderful Holiday with your nearest and dearest!!!!!!

Do you think it's too far a stretch that a major drug issue was happening involving the vd Sloots, and that is why Bachus was disturbed and wanted our FBI so heavily involved when they abducted Natalee?

That could also explain why nothing has ever come out to explain why he felt that way...

Best wishes for a Blessed Holiday Season to all my Monkey friends  ::hohohosanta::

****************************************************************
Will they ever tell us what they know/knew?????


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/05/natalee-holloway-why-more-fbi-agents-were-summoned-to-aruba/

Natalee Holloway; Disturbing Reason Why More FBI Agents Were Summoned to Aruba
The Birmingham News

Aruba, Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig hinted at a swift resolution in the case that has baffled authorities and grabbed international attention.

“I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours,” Dompig said Saturday. “There will be developments after this weekend.”

A family spokeswoman in Birmingham said much the same.

“They’re watching them very closely,” Holloway’s aunt, Marcia Twitty, said of the three men.

Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”


****************************************************

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/06/natalee-holloway-fbi-dive-teams-sent-to-aruba/

Natalee Holloway; Prayer Vigil In Aruba
There is not much new information coming out of Aruba with reference to missing teen, Natalee Holloway. Although Aruban authorities have stated that government employees are allowed to take the day off and search for the missing teen.

Last night there was a prayer vigil in Aruba at what I am assuming was the California Lighthouse.

As AP reports today with regards to the two men arrested yesterday in San Nicolas, Aruba:

“The charges have a relationship with the disappearance,” Janssen said. “There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved.”

According to CNN FBI dive teams leave Monday to go to Aruba.

Investigators on Monday planned to send an FBI dive team into the Caribbean waters off Aruba, where an 18-year-old Alabama student vanished a week ago at the end of a graduate class trip.

Police on Sunday charged two security guards with crimes related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

9:00 am EDT: In an interview this morning with Fox & Friends, Mountain Brook, AL Mayor Terry Oden was pretty tight lipped about speculating at what may have happened to Natalee Holloway. He was certainly somber when conducting the interview and only made mention when asked to speculate and and I paraphrase, “I have seen the dark side of life in my career.”




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 11:21:38 AM
A thought I've had from the beginning is that DEA and FBI are two different agencies.  Drug Enforcement Administration and Federal Bureau of Investigation may coordinate efforts but are two separate entities, as far as I know.  My boys went to school with kids whose Dad's were in each.  One in FBI moved early in their elementary school years but the DEA family are still here, to my knowledge.

How easy is it to call someone with the DEA an FBI or the opposite? 

I agree 2NJ.  There is a distinct difference.  I have heard Willliams referred to as both FBI and DEA.

Yes, I agree with both of you.  Maybe the police didn't know anything about an FBI agent being there because they knew he was DEA.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Maybe they didn't know at all.  ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe that's why the phone taps pissed them off so badly.

Good point jen!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 11:25:23 AM
HT Kermit
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)

This is the page from Aruba Today that Kermit posted a few pages back.

I have strained my eyes beyond belief trying to see the picture, I wish I could see it a little better!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::

If the picture on the bottom right is the one that Eric Williams is in, the second line in the description under it has "FBI" in it. 

So was he in the picture with others that were FBI?  Or was that description wrong?

The guy in the gray shirt/dark pants doesn't look dark skinned to me.

From what I can see, the man in the center of the group of three to the left also looks like the same guy that was on Persistence!  And I think the guy in the white (police uniform?)could be Papito.

(From the other cases I've seen the Persistence guy on the scene of, I don't think he's DEA.)

I want to know which one is supposed to be Eric Williams!  Pretty please!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Is he the one that might be whispering in the Persistence guys ear? 

Or the one standing on the other side in jeans?

Or is he the guy in the gray shirt and dark pants, and maybe just had a good tan in May 2005?   ::MonkeyWink::



I believe it's the guy in the grey shirt and dark pants......

Thanks jen.  That's who I thought too, but the "dark coloured" description was making me have my doubts.

I'd hoped we hadn't based our belief of that solely on Paulus' description. 

We all know how selective his memory is.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 23, 2009, 11:29:24 AM
A couple of older Eric Williams posts from RU:  ::MonkeyReindeer::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RUwilliams1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RUwilliams2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
(http://cheriwra.myweb.uga.edu/dee.jpg)
wanna cookie
ribbit

WHAT IF - JORAN is involved with CHEATING AT THE CASINOS, INVOLVED IN DRUGS AND PROSTITUTION RINGS ALONG WITH PAPA, PAUL BROUGH AND LORENZO

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.
 
(Source: Deepak Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 13, 2005_

Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers
------------------------------------------------------------------------

# subdude Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:44 am

casanostra: I believe you are right and the Polis Chief, Prime Minister, JVDS, PVDS the Kalpoes, Stephen Croes and Lorenzo VanRijn are all intertwined with casanostra dealing dope, prostitution, etc…
I think Joran gots his drugs to deal there and dabbled in the sex slave trade. PVDS pimped young girls as well. Remember “PIMPle is about to pop” right before PVDS arrest?

---------------------------------------------------------------
Joran being served by Bo Dietl in New York State, U.S.

Bo Dietl: "We waited at the airport it was about two hours after the plane had landed...the FBI put him on a watchlist... Mister Joran here.
After leaving customs where he was held for over 2 hours for appearing in a FBI watchlist
, he was served again by Private Investigator Bo Dietl
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&vid=8f074d30-045b-4ba2-8a20-cd2dde1b178a&from=00
http://tinyurl.com/2ncp4f
_________________________________


BUMP   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
Beth said: he was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6388/fbicarmenadamsjune22005ou5.jpg)

FBI has dispatched a team to Aruba to help with the search
June 3, 2005: Carmen Adams with FBI
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&from=truveo&vid=8862bbe6-b715-46ac-997d-e62a770374ea

 Nancy Grace/Jug Twitty/Beth Twitty
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).
RACE: DEA?

TWITTY: Yes, there was a DEA on island, Eric Williams (ph) -- that`s another story, Nancy. But, anyway, they met us there at the Holiday Inn lobby because Paul Lilly (ph) had had such a horrific time on that Monday, the 30th, just trying to get help. He had been speaking with the beach patrol, visibility team, no one seemed to know -- talk about the right hand and left hand -- no one knew how to guide him or help him begin.

Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen
http://fight4truth.forumup.us/viewtopic.php?t=471&mforum=fight4truth
he parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel[. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.


(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2696/tuesday26072005jb9.jpg)
tuesday July 26, 2005
same day that Beth upped the reward to $1 mil. Julia Renfro had this photo of Eric Williams in her newspaper.
 
July 22, 2005: ONE MILLION DOLLAR REWARD OFFERED:
Video of Jug and Beth on Greta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM8Pg-92D-M


July 29, 2005 reported on Nancy Grace:
GRACE: A $1 million reward offered for Natalee Holloway`s safe return, $100,000 reward for information on her whereabouts. Tip line, 877- 628-2533. Call toll-free.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


FILE: A member of the FBI is pictured outside the Oranjestad
Police Station. The FBI has been involved with the Natalee Holloway
case since the beginning as observers during interrogations and
giving advice to the local team of investigators. At the request of
Aruba’s Prime Minister in July, the FBI was asked to participate
in full capacity. A result is expected on Monday regarding the
legality of the FBI’s involvement in the case.


From a post Idstlou made at SM questions emailed to Jug and answered.
1) The pnone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voive mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

3)Could it have been the DEA agent?

Jug: yes

4)Do you know how this DEA agent got involved?

Jug: Will have to find out from Paul Lilly who we have tried to get in touch with but can't

5)Was the DEA agent staying at the Holiday Inn?

Jug: No

6) Did the DEA agent approach the chaperone or did the chaperone approach the DEA agent?

Jug: not sure yet

7)Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 41
When I return to the lobby the DEA agent suggest we go to Carlos 'n Charlie's to as questions and show her picture around. So we load up and head back to the shipyard area.

Page 42
Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

02-15-2006
(responding to question: Why meet at a dark Texaco station instead of meeting at the hotel?)
When the Posse arrived (10pm), they explained to the ground crew where the Private Planes land that one of the kids received a phone message and they think it was from Natalee. The ground crew has a close relationship with Croes to be able to get rental phones for VIPs, so the ground crew called him and passed the phone to Beth who explained Natalee's character and that she was missing and her best friend received a strange call and if he could help them locate what phone it came from. Charles lives close to exactly the same distance from the Texaco as the airport, so it was a matter of location, distance and timing that Charles chose the Gas Station. The HI would have been another 2 miles away.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


I also briefly talked to agent WILLIAMS of the FBI. I had told him we had dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn. It is possible that I told him that I had kissed or had fingered Natalee. For the rest I had told him nothing.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 48
The DEA agent arrives, and all the men gather in a circle in the dirt and gravel driveway area under a streetlight in front of the van der Sloot home. Alberto and Claudio go back and forth between the group and my car to update me on the conversation.


Bump to go with the other Bump... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
A couple of older Eric Williams posts from RU:  ::MonkeyReindeer::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RUwilliams1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RUwilliams2.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 23, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DEAWilliams.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/dcesdrugs.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 12:26:48 PM


From a post Idstlou made at SM questions emailed to Jug and answered.
1) The pnone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voive mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

2)Do you know who called in Charles Croes that first night?

Jug: Eric Williams

3)Could it have been the DEA agent?

Jug: yes

4)Do you know how this DEA agent got involved?

Jug: Will have to find out from Paul Lilly who we have tried to get in touch with but can't

5)Was the DEA agent staying at the Holiday Inn?

Jug: No

6) Did the DEA agent approach the chaperone or did the chaperone approach the DEA agent?

Jug: not sure yet

7)Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him




Bump to go with the other Bump... ::MonkeyWink::

This info from Jug also points in favor of believing our DEA had wiretaps in place prior to Natalee's disappearance.

That's what makes the most logical sense for Williams to have contacted the cell phone guy Charles Croes - that he already knew he was the cell phone guy...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 23, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I have never believed Mr Williams was a black man.  ::MonkeyCool::

Like TxMom posted earlier - its probably not a good idea to trust Paulus' word on anything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DEAWilliams.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/dcesdrugs.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66740.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Trees at dumping prices

December 23, 2009, 13:17 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/23-pag-05-kerstbomen-_ar_-2.gif)

Aruba last year had a shortage of Christmas trees, this year there are many trees on the traders they must burn.
ORANGE CITY - It is a battlefield. With just a few days to go for Christmas is their Christmas trees to supermarkets and merchants not to lose the cobblestones. Container Loads pine trees are being burned.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

In his Tarabana Store Wensley Wu and Richard Kock busy breaking down the tent from which they have sold Christmas trees in recent days. "Last year was only half a Christmas tree Aruba. Now there is a tree for everyone. We sell them for forty florin, but I think tonight we have the price to go lower. "

Pacifico Christmas tree has a large number of pine trees in stock and is deserted. The shopkeeper had just stepped into his truck as if he wanted to leave unguarded stocks express, in the hope that in return he would find fewer trees. "We have sold them for 75 to 100 florin. Now they go away for fifty. I can price a bit lower, but not too much. "He looks sour.
By Xing Cheng supermarket in Paradera they already offered 25 florin. "We go a few trees away to regular customers, I think," said the young shop assistant Michael Liu. "Are you sure that you do not want tree?" Yong Heng, head of the eponymous supermarket, says that he and some other supermarkets have purchased two containers. "This was the first year that we have sold Christmas trees, but the sale went bad. Last year things were good for us and thought they can make money. I have this years Christmas trees purchased for 60 florin each and must sell them for forty dollars. If I did not sell. "

Keh Wu, manager of Morning Supermarket is one of the shopkeepers who have participated in joint purchasing. "I go through my inventory. No problems! "He will not tell at what price he has sold his trees. Outside his supermarket, the nineteen Cen, supermarket employee in Hua Run. He may of the people of Morning, which is located at a busy roundabout, trying to sell his trees. A beautiful large pine, which normally would have produced at least 150 florin, is on offer for 50 florin. "We will continue until December 24, while we still have trees," he says. He has quite a few. Unemployed, he sits on his stool, staring at the cars that long drive.

Alex Heijkoop, Flora works at Market with a smile let know that in his shop only plastic Christmas trees for sale. "We were lucky and our stock back." Because last year was an acute shortage of Christmas trees, many customers bought their tree early so they would not support the same fish. "We had our trees early in the shop and they were in the first week almost all gone."

Nightmare
Esther van der Biezen of Seasons & Trends that most Christmas trees this year has imported and sold, though it was at a lower price than was intended, says that a total of thirty containers of Christmas trees have been ordered. "The second shipment consisted of twenty-two containers. I think it was assumed that, like last year, would not return to this place. "This refers van der Biezen on the cricket field, where she and her husband Tom van der Biezen nearly two decades Kerstboomlandia headed. When Tom van der Biezen got stuck in connection with the laundering of money that was stolen from a cash transportation, the case went to the bottle. The eight containers it previously imported each year, missing last year and there was a big shortage. Now he is back as a consultant Seasons & Trends, at the same location and with almost the same formula. From his lawyer he can not speak to press since Amigoe interviewed him some months back, but his wife is our friendly way. "The owners of this company are disappointed in the course of the Christmas tree sales this year. Ultimately, we still can do good business with the Christmas items. They have a lot of the damage we catch jumped due to lowering the price of Christmas trees. We have turned a profit, but not as much as we had hoped for. "According to Van der Biezen, the Chinese supermarkets are often underestimated the economy. "They have very much, despite the bad, the economy and many people have lost their jobs. I really do not understand why. In the period between May and August and then buy all the things that was clearly not stand. Tomorrow, the first container loads brought to the dump to be burned, I've heard. They also had the bad luck that the Christmas trees this year have arrived too late. The shipment was a nightmare this year. There you are with your trees. "

Fireworks
Van der Biezen expects the same happen to the sale of fireworks, which begins on December 26. "We expect that people who used to ease in 1000 florin spent on fireworks, this year with less money to do. Therefore we have ordered for a lot less this year. "There is also in klapchi question of excessive buying. "In the warehouse of Wela are three containers. There are twenty containers move. Then there are 24 containers last year. We know from us that about fifteen containers before anyone is making profit. You will see that the Chinese shops their prices have not yet published. They look to compete, so they can sit under. "

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 23, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I have never believed Mr Williams was a black man.  ::MonkeyCool::

Like TxMom posted earlier - its probably not a good idea to trust Paulus' word on anything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DEAWilliams.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/dcesdrugs.jpg)

I always said take what they say and reverse it.  When they say black it's probably white.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 23, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 23, 2009, 03:19:08 PM
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(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1028/datelinediversfromaruba.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 23, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 23, 2009, 04:18:44 PM
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3040/ericwilliams.jpg)



Be still my heart!!! ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 05:34:10 PM


Thank you Kermit!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Maybe Paulus was describing his hair color...   ::snowmanlaugh:: ::MonkeyReindeer::::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 23, 2009, 05:35:15 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I have never believed Mr Williams was a black man.  ::MonkeyCool::

Like TxMom posted earlier - its probably not a good idea to trust Paulus' word on anything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have no idea if this is the same Eric Williams but just throwing it out there.  I know he's supposed to be a black man:

http://www.susd.org/communityconnection/emss/CC2004-2005/communityconnection110504.htm

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DEAWilliams.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/dcesdrugs.jpg)

I always said take what they say and reverse it.  When they say black it's probably white.

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 23, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
The guy in the picture with the helicopter and the children has on a US Army regulation fatigue uniform.
Do we think Eric Williams is in the Army?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 23, 2009, 07:31:55 PM
THE REASON FOR THE SEASON – JESUS

Luke 2:8-11

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


Loving Natalee – Natalee’s Room - Beth Holloway

I take the journal out and sit down on her (Natalee) bed to read what she has written about love and life

"Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life.  I believe without Him people would be nothing and have no directions in life".
_______


MERRY CHRISTMAS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 23, 2009, 10:22:39 PM
THE REASON FOR THE SEASON – JESUS

Luke 2:8-11

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.  And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.  And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


Loving Natalee – Natalee’s Room - Beth Holloway

I take the journal out and sit down on her (Natalee) bed to read what she has written about love and life

"Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity and is the most influential person in my life.  I believe without Him people would be nothing and have no directions in life".
_______


MERRY CHRISTMAS


MERRY CHRISTMAS  JANET...

It is a great time for reflection,to remind ourselves,how blessed we all are! ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on December 23, 2009, 10:37:55 PM
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  Hello Night Crew.....hope your holidays will be wonderful....  ::ElfMonkey::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 23, 2009, 10:43:50 PM
::DancingSantaMonkey1::  Hello Night Crew.....hope your holidays will be wonderful....  ::ElfMonkey::





Wishing you a wonderful Christmas Mere & 2nj..... ::MonkeyReindeer::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 23, 2009, 10:54:21 PM
::DancingSantaMonkey1::  Hello Night Crew.....hope your holidays will be wonderful....  ::ElfMonkey::





Wishing you a wonderful Christmas Mere & 2nj..... ::MonkeyReindeer::

The same to you, KTF, Mere, and all Monkeys and readers here at SM.   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::         


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 23, 2009, 11:12:05 PM
::DancingSantaMonkey1::  Hello Night Crew.....hope your holidays will be wonderful....  ::ElfMonkey::





Wishing you a wonderful Christmas Mere & 2nj..... ::MonkeyReindeer::

The same to you, KTF, Mere, and all Monkeys and readers here at SM.   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::         

Thank You 2NJ & God Bless!During this time of year,prayers go out to the MISSING,their families,Scared Monkeys & Staff,as well as all those who continue to pray for those MISSING!

MAY GOD BLESS YOU & YOURS THIS HOLIDAY SEASON

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 24, 2009, 12:18:19 AM
I would like to take this opportunity to wish each and every "Monkey" a very Merry Christmas  ::santawink::  and a Happy New Year   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  . 

My prayers go out to Beth and Dave.  Another Christmas without their precious Natalee and no answers from the "rock" of an island Aruba.    Beth,  we do stand with you "No matter how long it takes".

May the new year bring answers to the Holloway family and also for all the other families with missing loved ones.
(I hope my New Year's wish for George and Cindy come true.   ::MonkeyGavel:: )

Thanks to Red for this site.  Is is very important for the victims to have a voice.  Thanks to all the mod's for the time you contribute here for the missing.  It takes a special person to put up with our "passion" but you always handle it grace.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 24, 2009, 12:24:16 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 24, 2009, 01:35:51 AM
 ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::hohohosanta:: ::santawink:: ::snowmanlaugh:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Happy Holidays to ALL Monkeys!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 24, 2009, 01:48:53 AM
Magnolia, I tend to agree with you that something is sinister with Eric Williams.  Why would Mos say he was one of two reasons this case was not solved?

He may have been a legit DEA agent if Beth says so but I still think that even as such, he was definitely up to no good.

Remember Deepak's car inside the fence as seen by Charles Croes?  Yet when Beth 7 Jug got there, it was gone, etc.  I have always thought Williams tipped them off.

I know (and understand) some are skeptics when it comes to Williams - but I personally have always believed he was one of the good guys.

The tip off that came to the vd Sloots - because I wholeheartedly agree there was one - I believe came from Claudio Stamper.  In the Freebirds Series "In the Face of Evil" we pointed out how he could have been the one.

I think one of the reasons Mos said the DEA was part of the reason the case failed - was because of the wire taps.

There are three things that lead us to a possible conclusion it was a vd Sloot phone that was tapped.

1 - The delegation that met with Bachus was SO not happy about "wire taps" as it related to this case.

2 - Williams knew Paulus was a Judge before Beth and Jug even had a last name for Joran.  He told them at the HI that he wanted to go with them to ".......the JUDGE'S house......"

3 - Rudy Croes was aware of several conversations Paulus had with vd Straten within those first few weeks, and we all know that Aruba certainly wasn't tapping either of those people's phones, LOL.

I believe Williams was undercover doing his job - a drug sting, and what helped me further solidify that belief, was the pic of him that Renfro published in her paper that exposed him (Kerm posted a couple pages back).  I firmly believe she did that on purpose.

I also firmly believe that all the horse puckey she posted at RU and FOB about him after the fact was just that - Horse Puckey.  ::MonkeyCool::



Thanks, Jen,

I hope you are right because it is especially sickening to think that one of our own would sell out Beth right from the start.

So this Eric Williams that is now in Scottsdale was the one in Aruba when Natalee disappeared?  The one with the helicopter?

And Claudio Stamper was the pilot? 

I'm not sure who I think tipped off Paulus but I do think somebody did.  Beth was not expected until the next commercial flight and so they thought they had more time to get their lies straight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 24, 2009, 01:50:51 AM
Merry Christmas to All Monkeys!

 ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::santawink:: ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2009, 03:58:16 AM
Merry Christmas everyone!



http://www.youtube.com/v/NMj084Ggwww&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 24, 2009, 04:02:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Truth and Justice for Natalee!
That's what it's all about Aruba,
We won't give up! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on December 24, 2009, 04:51:23 AM
Merry Christmas to all my Monkey Friends.  My prayers are with Beth and Dave and their families.  Keep the faith Monkeys! xox


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 24, 2009, 07:15:44 AM
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::hohohosanta:: ::santawink:: ::snowmanlaugh:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Monkeys!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on December 24, 2009, 07:21:53 AM

With thoughts of Beth and all those that are missing Natalee.  ::MonkeyTears::

Justice for Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 24, 2009, 09:05:55 AM
Fa la la la la la la la la ::ElfMonkey::

Happy Christmas and may God bless us everyone ::santawink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 24, 2009, 10:18:09 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS  TO ALL.

2010 JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.  WE WILL NOT GIVE UP.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/MerryChristmas3-1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 24, 2009, 12:07:16 PM
I've been going to the same hairdresser for over 20 years.  She was a expecting her only child shortly after I started going to her salon, a daughter who is Natalee's age.  Last night I asked her if she had any winter vacation plans.  She said she had gone to Aruba in October.  I'm there about once every 4 or 5 weeks, but wasn't surprised that I had no idea.  She's very quiet and private. 

Anyway, I asked where she stayed, mentioning DH's family having gone earlier this month and along with sharing her experience, which was good, she added that she came home and watched the Natalee Holloway movie, which left her saddened and bewildered.  I shared that I have followed the case from the beginning and that was why I knew a lot about the island.  She made a comment similar to 'I wish she never got into the car', and I tried to get her to tell me what she thought transpired, but we were interrupted and the conversation ended. 

My point in sharing this is that the movie made an impact on her, which was apparent by her expression and demeanor. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 24, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND SEASON'S GREETINGS TO ALL!


(http://www.stokblogs.com/files/2006-12-24-Merry_Christmas.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 24, 2009, 12:16:54 PM
I've been going to the same hairdresser for over 20 years.  She was a expecting her only child shortly after I started going to her salon, a daughter who is Natalee's age.  Last night I asked her if she had any winter vacation plans.  She said she had gone to Aruba in October.  I'm there about once every 4 or 5 weeks, but wasn't surprised that I had no idea.  She's very quiet and private. 

Anyway, I asked where she stayed, mentioning DH's family having gone earlier this month and along with sharing her experience, which was good, she added that she came home and watched the Natalee Holloway movie, which left her saddened and bewildered.  I shared that I have followed the case from the beginning and that was why I knew a lot about the island.  She made a comment similar to 'I wish she never got into the car', and I tried to get her to tell me what she thought transpired, but we were interrupted and the conversation ended. 

My point in sharing this is that the movie made an impact on her, which was apparent by her expression and demeanor.  
Thanks 2nj.Maybe you'll get a conclusion to the story!All that matters is she watched the movie and,it affected her.That's all we can ask for... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 24, 2009, 01:26:13 PM
I've been going to the same hairdresser for over 20 years.  She was a expecting her only child shortly after I started going to her salon, a daughter who is Natalee's age.  Last night I asked her if she had any winter vacation plans.  She said she had gone to Aruba in October.  I'm there about once every 4 or 5 weeks, but wasn't surprised that I had no idea.  She's very quiet and private. 

Anyway, I asked where she stayed, mentioning DH's family having gone earlier this month and along with sharing her experience, which was good, she added that she came home and watched the Natalee Holloway movie, which left her saddened and bewildered.  I shared that I have followed the case from the beginning and that was why I knew a lot about the island.  She made a comment similar to 'I wish she never got into the car', and I tried to get her to tell me what she thought transpired, but we were interrupted and the conversation ended. 

My point in sharing this is that the movie made an impact on her, which was apparent by her expression and demeanor.  
Thanks 2nj.Maybe you'll get a conclusion to the story!All that matters is she watched the movie and,it affected her.That's all we can ask for... ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 24, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
Merry Christmas to all my Monkey Friends.  My prayers are with Beth and Dave and their families.  Keep the faith Monkeys! xox

Ditto .... Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 24, 2009, 03:05:18 PM
Merry Christmas to all my Monkey Friends.  My prayers are with Beth and Dave and their families.  Keep the faith Monkeys! xox

Ditto .... Justice for Natalee!


Double Ditto...Justice for Natalee

Hi Boxerdawg ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on December 24, 2009, 04:55:42 PM
Wishing all my monkey friends a Happy Christmas.  Special thanks to Klaas and her wonderful team of mods who keep these threads going, and most of us under control - most of the time!

I know we all wish for the same thing - Justice for Natalee.  Thinking of Beth and all Natalee's loved ones at this time.

..........   and just once I would really like to spend Christmas in the snow   ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 24, 2009, 05:53:23 PM
God Bless you this holiday season Cageman.Thoughts and prayers are with you and your family

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on December 24, 2009, 08:07:35 PM
   MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A BLESSED HOLIDAY SEASON TO ALL YOU WONDERFUL MONKEYS!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 24, 2009, 08:19:38 PM
   MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A BLESSED HOLIDAY SEASON TO ALL YOU WONDERFUL MONKEYS!



Wishing you a Merry Christmas Artcolley.  It's good to see you again, my friend.   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  And of course, wishing all monkeys a very Merry Christmas  ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 25, 2009, 12:47:52 AM
Wishing all my Monkey family and friends a joyous Christmas filled with love and promise! Justice for Natalee! We will not give up!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: hotping on December 25, 2009, 01:43:15 AM
 ::hohohosanta:: Merry CHRISTmas Everyone!  ::santawink:: ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 25, 2009, 03:59:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Y10.jpg)
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 25, 2009, 04:09:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee! 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 25, 2009, 11:54:30 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14785/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12252009_24ora_TouristAttackedRobbe.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

turistanan asalta bispo of pasco night near of paseo herencia

friday, 25 december 2009 - 12:18

turistanan cu owing to come happen dianan of party at aruba owing to become victima of one asalto bispo of pasco night. police owing to wordo calling for her caso here y at arrival near of paseo herencia owing to hear what owing to sosode. the bag of the turistanan owing to wordo ranca y the asaltantenan owing to descend at water after. according testigonan owing to tell police, the asaltantenan owing to descend at water in one bmw one some old color black. after of the asalto they owing to go direccion of hotel mariott. click read more for more detaye.

strandpolitie owing to cay inside at once. polisnan of distrito north also owing to cay inside y owing to cuminsa throw one view for one bmw color black. algo so is one golpi strong on we turism. is wait for cu place hand on esnan responsable.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 25, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS

GOD BLESS


 ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 25, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS

GOD BLESS


 ::ElfMonkey::

::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Red on December 25, 2009, 01:12:03 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERY ONE!!! .... MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERY ONE!!!

I hope every one is having a very Merry Christmas Day.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/smxmas2007_small.jpg)


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/12/25/merry-christmas-2009-from-scared-monkeys/

A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FROM SCARED MONKEYS

On this special day we would like to wish all a special Christmas wish to all and always keep in mind the true reason for the season.

We would like to send a special MERRY CHRISTMAS wish to all those who could not spend Christmas with their families and loved one’s.

A special thanks to the men and women of our Armed Forces. God bless them, everyone.

May every one have a Blessed Day!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 25, 2009, 01:24:01 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERY ONE!!! .... MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERY ONE!!!

I hope every one is having a very Merry Christmas Day.

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/smxmas2007_small.jpg)


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/12/25/merry-christmas-2009-from-scared-monkeys/

A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FROM SCARED MONKEYS

On this special day we would like to wish all a special Christmas wish to all and always keep in mind the true reason for the season.

We would like to send a special MERRY CHRISTMAS wish to all those who could not spend Christmas with their families and loved one’s.

A special thanks to the men and women of our Armed Forces. God bless them, everyone.

May every one have a Blessed Day!


Thanks Red!

I hope you're having a great Christmas day too!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 25, 2009, 01:25:28 PM
MERRY CHRISTMAS

GOD BLESS


 ::ElfMonkey::

::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

 ::snowmanlaugh:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyReindeer::

Too cute KTF!  Merry Christmas to you too!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 25, 2009, 02:54:49 PM
MERRRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!

 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::hohohosanta:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::santawink:: ::snowmanlaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 25, 2009, 03:07:51 PM
MERRRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!

 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::hohohosanta:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::santawink:: ::snowmanlaugh::

Merry Christmas Wreck, KTF and everyone   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  ::snowmanlaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Frijole on December 25, 2009, 04:45:47 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::  Thinking of Natalee and wishing peace to her family and loved ones.  Justice will prevail.  Peace on Earth and Best Wishes to all!!!  Frijole


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 25, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Merry Christmas to all Good Monkeys.. ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner!
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1:: ::MonkeyReindeer:: ::hohohosanta::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 25, 2009, 06:37:04 PM
Merry Christmas Frijole  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

Merry Christmas billb  ::DancingSantaMonkey1::  And yes, I too believe justice for Natalee is just around the corner.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 25, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Merry Christmas and many thanks to those who seek Justice for Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on December 26, 2009, 01:32:30 AM
Super late in wishing allof you a very Merry Christmas. Hope all of you enjoyed this blessed day.
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::    ::DancingSantaMonkey1::       ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 01:35:23 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14792/6/

Papiamentu translation:

discurso nacional of queen beatrix on day of pasco

friday, 25 december 2009 - 19:30

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/december/dec24/bea.jpg)

diabierna 25 of december queen beatrix at the netherlands owing to give his discurso nacional debi cu today is celebra pasco. the discurso owing to place enfasis on the rol negative cu technologia as the.o internet is hungando on the being human. click read more for read the discurso in his totalidad.

Google Dutch translation:

In the shadow of the times the light of Christmas shines. The Christmas story is in dark days of oppression and care. It is the story of the Christ Child. Looking for shelter to Mary and Joseph knocked at an inn where they appeared to have no place. But their was still a safe place in a stable awarded. Since Jesus was born. With its arrival in our world shines the light of love that connects us with God and our fellow men.

Essential is the traditional command: love your neighbor as yourself. Today it is less clear what that means. We know who our neighbor is? No one who comes our way: the people in our lives. But we see that also? Let us who might need our support and assistance to their own devices and we are open to rapprochement and contact and we offer a helping hand? Professional care how good it is, we continue to rely on a society where people have for each other. In adversity and sadness is simply not do everything expected of public and social institutions. Fortunately, there are also many who are working when needed.

In this age of increased globalization speeds and distances reduced. Technical progress and human individualization have made independent and detached. We are more and more on our own. Yet a place where we feel at home, have confidence in the people around us and may assume tremendous importance of solidarity. Perhaps the biggest challenge how individuals and communities to connect again and restore confidence. The crisis of today teaches us that.

If the concerns are high, the need for a stronger joint perspective felt. Religions and beliefs indicate responsibility for the neighbor. Previously there was virtually anywhere neighborliness and neighborhood formed the basis of society. People knew each other. But modern man seems to be little recognition for the neighbor. Now it is preoccupied with self. We tend to look the other way and close our eyes and ears for the environment. Today, neighbors sometimes even strangers. You speak together without conversation, without looking at each other to see. People communicate via short quick errands. Our society is becoming increasingly individualistic. Personal liberty shall be deemed severable from connectedness with the community. But without any "we-feeling" our existence is empty. With virtual meetings is not to fill this void, on the contrary, distances are probably increase. The ideal of the liberated individual has reached its endpoint. We must try to find a way back to what holds together.

Fewer calls to other people on our solidarity and compassion. To them life is palpable closeness needed. Real contact occurs in deeds and words. Language is essential in building trust. But who the conversation does not concern himself does. Thus, a means of bringing people together are also a barrier for those who do not understand and is not understood. Far from belonging and neighbors remain outsiders.

Language and images of others is much grief to us, but that is often far more calls and feelings of powerlessness on. Too much information people are stomping off. So perhaps we have become deaf and blind to the neighbor. Empathy being edged. Community feeling is lost.

The modern technical possibilities seem people are closer together but they remain "safe" distance, hiding behind their screens going. We can not speak to emerge, without being seen, anonymously. Simply, is roughly express emotions easily become. To speak without respect is no more settled. Not the odd, the other aggressive but aggressive to make the other foreign.

The neighbor seems so distant and alienated, but by sudden disaster we see how compassion is called making people ignore itself, overcome hesitation, fear or disgust own everything aside and left for a fellow human in distress. In the difficult circumstances mercy manifest itself in actual charity. Then comes the beautiful in people: the unselfish willingness to help, be there for strangers to support them in despair and pain. Compassion connects us with the neighbor in need. A held hand, a voice giving voice courage and eyes on contact, the message of charity intrusive transfer. In volunteering for others is a great tradition of our country.

Our world needs people with passion and commitment, which give a place who are left out, ready for their fellow men and who continue to believe in goodness.

Christmas brings us into an atmosphere of warmth and closeness. In the stable at an inn is fully found the humble place where Jesus' life begins. In the dark of night that seems light of peace on earth and love of neighbor.

I wish you all a blessed Christmas again. "



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Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 01:36:55 AM
Super late in wishing allof you a very Merry Christmas. Hope all of you enjoyed this blessed day.
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::    ::DancingSantaMonkey1::       ::DancingSantaMonkey1::

We had a wonderful day cajun miracle, I hope you and yours did too!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


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Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 02:42:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 26, 2009, 10:10:59 AM
 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


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Post by: Blonde on December 26, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: Nut44x4 on December 26, 2009, 02:33:58 PM
 ::DancingSantaMonkey1::


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Post by: MuffyBee on December 26, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
::DancingSantaMonkey1::

::DancingSantaMonkey1::
::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

(I think KTF is influencing me, LOL)


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 26, 2009, 04:41:49 PM

http://www.indianagazette.com/articles/2009/12/26/b_opinions/10031140.txt

B Opinions
DALE McFEATTERS: Chavez adds Dutch to enemies list
By DALE McFEATTERS
Published: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:32 AM EST
Scripps Howard News Service

Recently, Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez took to national television to alert his countrymen, ``They are preparing a war against us.''

The ``they'' are the United States and Colombia. Chavez has loaded up on $4 billion in Russian arms to thwart our aggressive designs
.

This past week he added another nation to that sinister cabal - the Netherlands. Rather bizarrely, he chose the U.N. conference on climate change as his forum to disclose this plot, of which only he seems aware.

Also party to the plot are the self-governing Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire. Said Chavez: ``Europe should know that the North American empire is filling these islands with weapons, assassins, American intelligence units, and spy planes and warships.''

The ``North American empire'' was a nice touch because it dovetails with the belief among a certain faction of American wingnuts that there's a plot to subsume the U.S., Canada and Mexico into a single country called the North American Union.
In any event, Chavez said darkly, ``The Netherlands is responsible for this.''

The disclosure that it was aiding an invasion of Venezuela seemed to come as news to the Dutch government, whose foreign minister asked Venezuela's ambassador to clarify Chavez's remarks. ``Clarify'' is diplomatic language for: What on Earth is he talking about?




Copyright © 2009 - Indiana Gazette


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 26, 2009, 11:19:58 PM
Hope everybody had a Happy Christmas. ::santawink::

I am still trying to recover, but it was a wonderful day. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 26, 2009, 11:29:08 PM
Hope everybody had a Happy Christmas. ::santawink::

I am still trying to recover, but it was a wonderful day. ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::ElfMonkey::

Hi, Magnolia.  We had a nice Christmas, too.  We're tuckered out and I'll be heading out very soon. 

 ::hohohosanta::    ::snowmanlaugh::


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Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
Hope everybody had a Happy Christmas. ::santawink::

I am still trying to recover, but it was a wonderful day. ::MonkeyAngel::

Same here Magnolia!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 11:46:34 PM
Hope everybody had a Happy Christmas. ::santawink::

I am still trying to recover, but it was a wonderful day. ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::ElfMonkey::

Hi, Magnolia.  We had a nice Christmas, too.  We're tuckered out and I'll be heading out very soon. 

 ::hohohosanta::    ::snowmanlaugh::

I'm glad you had a nice Christmas 2NJ!  I'm catching up with some newspapers so if I miss you when you call it a night...Good night!   ::MonkeyAngel::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 26, 2009, 11:48:28 PM
Every Christmas Day, after breakfast and gift opening with the kids here, I leave up here at about noon and drive to my brother's house for gift opening with them.
It is nearly 60 miles if I take the interstate, but if I take the winding back roads, it is only
20 miles.  I always get lost and end up crying and singing "i'll Be Home for Christmas "
as I drive along lost.  The kids up here think it is the funniest thing ever and wait for me
to come back so they can hear of where I took the wrong turn.
Yesterday I never made a wrong turn and found my way in just 30 minutes.
I think it was a Christmas miracle.  ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 11:50:48 PM
Remember the suicide by poison a week or more ago?

I read in Awe Mainta that it was insecticide that he drank.

I can't even imagine!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 26, 2009, 11:50:52 PM
Hope everybody had a Happy Christmas. ::santawink::

I am still trying to recover, but it was a wonderful day. ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::ElfMonkey::

Hi, Magnolia.  We had a nice Christmas, too.  We're tuckered out and I'll be heading out very soon. 

 ::hohohosanta::    ::snowmanlaugh::

I hope that you are feeling better, but I'll bet you are still weak.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 26, 2009, 11:53:14 PM
Every Christmas Day, after breakfast and gift opening with the kids here, I leave up here at about noon and drive to my brother's house for gift opening with them.
It is nearly 60 miles if I take the interstate, but if I take the winding back roads, it is only
20 miles.  I always get lost and end up crying and singing "i'll Be Home for Christmas "
as I drive along lost.  The kids up here think it is the funniest thing ever and wait for me
to come back so they can hear of where I took the wrong turn.
Yesterday I never made a wrong turn and found my way in just 30 minutes.
I think it was a Christmas miracle.  ::ElfMonkey::

Good for you Magnolia!   ::DancingSantaMonkey1::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 26, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
Remember the suicide by poison a week or more ago?

I read in Awe Mainta that it was insecticide that he drank.

I can't even imagine!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Seems drugs would have been easier.  Many people used to take carbolic acid.
It is an ingredient in insecticides and cleaning products.
It works fast.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 12:10:09 AM
Remember the suicide by poison a week or more ago?

I read in Awe Mainta that it was insecticide that he drank.

I can't even imagine!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Seems drugs would have been easier.  Many people used to take carbolic acid.
It is an ingredient in insecticides and cleaning products.
It works fast.

Yes, it does.  Still makes me wonder why a 44 year old man would be so desperate to have done that.  Nothing mentioned about him being depressed or anything like that.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
This one made me go hmmmm.

From what I understand a woman went in the bathroom and called police for help, when they got there the manager told them she'd left with another woman.  Did they ever get in touch with her again to make sure she was safe?

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

12/19/2009 Awe Mainta Page 26

Papiamentu translation:

muher is core sconde in bathroom y is calling police

diahuebs madruga, near of 1.15, one madam owing to core enter bathroom of one bar restaurant at palm beach, y is calling police via celular for ask asistencia. the is tell police cu one man is persigui’e. police of north owing to bay n’e localidad, but eynan the manager owing to tell they cu the muher owing to bay end for of the sitio. esey owing to wordo confirma for one of the trahadonan, that owing to tell cu past owing to leave of bathroom y owing to bay cu one another muher. police owing to busca in becindario, but not owing to come across cune.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2009, 12:22:08 AM
Good Evening, Monkeys,

Hope everyone had a nice Christmas and are looking forward to a very Happy New Year's!  Mine was kind of quiet but I did receive very nice gifts from #1 son.  It's strange to have gifts FROM kids finally.  He is super thoughtful kid, however.  Had to work but sent Omaha Steaks and Netfllix and Amazon gift certificate.  So I am a happy camper.  And I still have my mom for yet another Christmas, for that I am truly blessed.

Of course we on this thread can't help but feel for Beth and Dave and know this has to be one of the hardest times of the year for them.  I hope it gets easier with time for them.

One thing new for me living in apartments is that you get lots of invitations.  Yea!  Free food, lol.  I must do better next year and contribute more.  Maybe I will find my SM Cookbook and make something really nice for New Year's.  I also make a mean seafood chowder.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2009, 12:26:14 AM
Remember the suicide by poison a week or more ago?

I read in Awe Mainta that it was insecticide that he drank.

I can't even imagine!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Seems drugs would have been easier.  Many people used to take carbolic acid.
It is an ingredient in insecticides and cleaning products.
It works fast.


 ::MonkeyShocked::


With all the drugs on One Happy Island, you would think people could find something better than poison or hanging themselves!  I would still like to know what the actual, real suicide rate in that place is.  It HAS to be higher than average.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2009, 12:28:40 AM
This one made me go hmmmm.

From what I understand a woman went in the bathroom and called police for help, when they got there the manager told them she'd left with another woman.  Did they ever get in touch with her again to make sure she was safe?

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

12/19/2009 Awe Mainta Page 26

Papiamentu translation:

muher is core sconde in bathroom y is calling police

diahuebs madruga, near of 1.15, one madam owing to core enter bathroom of one bar restaurant at palm beach, y is calling police via celular for ask asistencia. the is tell police cu one man is persigui’e. police of north owing to bay n’e localidad, but eynan the manager owing to tell they cu the muher owing to bay end for of the sitio. esey owing to wordo confirma for one of the trahadonan, that owing to tell cu past owing to leave of bathroom y owing to bay cu one another muher. police owing to busca in becindario, but not owing to come across cune.



I know.  I always try to read the articles you  post, TxM, but sometimes they just don't make any sense, do they?  I mean, if nothing was wrong, why write an article?  If it was, well, what was it and what happened?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 27, 2009, 12:33:35 AM
Going to run through the other threads as unfortunately there seems to have been a rash of tragedies around this Christmas.  Oh, and we must keep an eye on Uncle Hugo.  That man is going to keep messing around and start something he can't handle one of these days.  I really don't think he is playing with a full deck.

Goodnite, All!

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
Good Evening, Monkeys,

Hope everyone had a nice Christmas and are looking forward to a very Happy New Year's!  Mine was kind of quiet but I did receive very nice gifts from #1 son.  It's strange to have gifts FROM kids finally.  He is super thoughtful kid, however.  Had to work but sent Omaha Steaks and Netfllix and Amazon gift certificate.  So I am a happy camper.  And I still have my mom for yet another Christmas, for that I am truly blessed.

Of course we on this thread can't help but feel for Beth and Dave and know this has to be one of the hardest times of the year for them.  I hope it gets easier with time for them.

One thing new for me living in apartments is that you get lots of invitations.  Yea!  Free food, lol.  I must do better next year and contribute more.  Maybe I will find my SM Cookbook and make something really nice for New Year's.  I also make a mean seafood chowder.


Hi Anna,
I'm glad you had a good Christmas with your mom and received some nice gifts from your son.  Ours was good too!  I thought a lot about Dave and his family, and Beth and Matt and hoped that their holiday was as good as it could be.  I remember Dave talking about his little ones still hanging a stocking for Natalee in an interview a year or more ago and wondered if they did that again this year.  I'd hoped that Private Eye might stop by and say Hi, I hope he and his girls are doing o.k.  I know he must be as frustrated as we all are waiting...and waiting...and waiting for Aruba to do the right thing! 

Wonder what's taking so long on that report of the investigation on Van der Straaten and the first 10 days?!

So good to hear that your neighbors are so nice, I'm sure you'll be impressing them in no time with some great food! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 12:55:27 AM
This one made me go hmmmm.

From what I understand a woman went in the bathroom and called police for help, when they got there the manager told them she'd left with another woman.  Did they ever get in touch with her again to make sure she was safe?

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

12/19/2009 Awe Mainta Page 26

Papiamentu translation:

muher is core sconde in bathroom y is calling police

diahuebs madruga, near of 1.15, one madam owing to core enter bathroom of one bar restaurant at palm beach, y is calling police via celular for ask asistencia. the is tell police cu one man is persigui’e. police of north owing to bay n’e localidad, but eynan the manager owing to tell they cu the muher owing to bay end for of the sitio. esey owing to wordo confirma for one of the trahadonan, that owing to tell cu past owing to leave of bathroom y owing to bay cu one another muher. police owing to busca in becindario, but not owing to come across cune.



I know.  I always try to read the articles you  post, TxM, but sometimes they just don't make any sense, do they?  I mean, if nothing was wrong, why write an article?  If it was, well, what was it and what happened?

Exactly, maybe I'm just too suspicious but I'm thinking...did they document that they did respond just in case it comes out later that she was abducted from the bathroom and held captive and tortured or something?  It just seems like they would have wanted to make SURE she was alright.  The woman that she left with may have been working with the guy that she was trying to get away from!  If it was bad enough for her to call the police for help, they should have done more, IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 01:03:21 AM
Going to run through the other threads as unfortunately there seems to have been a rash of tragedies around this Christmas.  Oh, and we must keep an eye on Uncle Hugo.  That man is going to keep messing around and start something he can't handle one of these days.  I really don't think he is playing with a full deck.

Goodnite, All!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Me either Anna.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 02:09:50 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_AE3-1.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


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Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 12:21:28 PM
http://curacao.usconsulate.gov/uploads/images/nXyIwfyZCXXtdMpu8FGccA/WEEKLY_News.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending December 19, 2009


Venezuela – Venezuelan President Chávez Displeased by USFOL
Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez reportedly again raised his concern about the U.S. presence in Colombia, Curacao, and Aruba and stated that it threatens Venezuela's national security and increases the chance for war in the region. Chávez wants the U.S. government to remove the Forward Operating Locations in the region. Also, Chávez is of the opinion that the tasks carried out from the FOLs in Curacao and Aruba do not only cover combating drug trafficking, but that it is used as a front to create regional instability. (Amigoe)


Antilles – Governor Goedgedrag to Travel to The Netherlands
The Governor of the Netherlands Antilles Frits Goedgedrag will be in the Netherlands December 11-19, for official business. Adèle P. van der Pluijm-Vrede will be acting during his absence. (Government Press Release)


Kingdom - Three Kingdom PMs Met in The Hague, Today
The three Kingdom PMs met in The Hague today to discuss issues of common interest; in particular the dismantling process of the Netherlands Antilles and the new constitutional structure of the Kingdom, according to a government press statement. (Various media)


Curacao – Venezuelan Financial Crisis Has No Local Consequences
GiroBank Director Eric Garcia believes that the current Venezuelan financial crisis has little impact on Curacao, because the Venezuela banks only have an off shore presence on Curacao. What could affect the local economy is the stringent credit card policy by Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez who successfully tightened monetary controls aimed at stemming capital flight from Venezuela, at the beginning of this year, Garcia said.
Furthermore, Garcia stated that the anti USFOL rhetoric by Chávez is alarming and requires close attention. Chávez could possibly ban the fruit vessels from coming to Curacao which will have a huge economic impact.
Garcia is of the opinion that Curaçao should not worry about the refinery. “Venezuela needs the refinery and its storage capacity for the oil it sells to China,” he said. (Antilliaans Dagblad)


Curacao – PdVSA Ready to Invest in Bullenbaai Area
Venezuelan state-owned oil company PdVSA is reportedly interested to invest US $35 million in the Bullenbaai Oil storage area, according the Isla Refinery spokesperson Kenneth Gijsbertha. (Various media)


Curacao - Venezuela: Banks Scandal Suspects Fled to Curacao
Venezuela says some suspects in a scandal involving troubled banks have fled to the United States, Spain, Curacao and Puerto Rico.
Venezuelan Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami says authorities believe implicated bank executives have left on flights to Puerto Rico, Curacao and Spain.
Venezuelan authorities have shut down seven banks in the scandal, alleging widespread irregularities. Those implicated include businesspeople with links to President Hugo Chavez's government. Nine bank executives and shareholders have been detained so far. (Various media)

St. Maarten – U.S. Wanted Criminals Arrested
St. Maarten authorities arrested two alleged drug traffickers upon request of U.S. federal authorities and are awaiting an official U.S. extradition request, according to Prosecutor Rienk Mud. (Daily Herald)

Curacao – 6th Pre-Election Poll: Little Change
This week, Opinion Korsou posted its now weekly pre-election poll survey.
The results this week differ only slightly from last week’s result. The division of parliamentary seats would remain the same compared to last week.
Lista pa Kambio (6); PAR (4); Sovereign Party (2); FOL (1); PNP (1).
The polling organizers stated that their poll is independent and scientifically based. The poll is also available on www.opinionkorsou.com. (Antilliaans Dagblad, Extra)


Curacao – Judge Sentenced 17 of 18 in International Drug and Money
Laundering Case

Four of the 18 suspects in an international drug and money laundering organization court case were sentenced to 10-18 month prison terms at the Court of First Instance, two weeks ago. 14 suspects appeared before a judge last Friday. The court handed out prison sentences ranging from 4-7 years for 13 suspects while one suspect was acquitted.
International cooperation between law enforcement authorities in Curacao, the Netherlands, Belgium, Colombia, Venezuela and the U.S. resulted in the arrest of 18 people in Curacao on 4/28. The organization was found guilty of having trafficked at least 2,000 kilos of cocaine annually.
Initially the public prosecutor’s office assumed that the organization was in contact with other criminal networks that supported Hezbollah financially. Any assumptions that large sums of money from the drug trade became available in Lebanon through underground banking were unfounded, said Prosecutor M. Angela. (Various media)


Kingdom – Dutch PM Balkenende Urges Accelerating Dismantling
Process

Dutch PM Jan Peter Balkenende has urged his Antillean colleague Emily de Jongh-Elhage to speed up the constitutional reform process during a Kingdom Prime Ministers meeting in The Hague. Balkenende is of the opinion that the 10-10-10 target date is still feasible, but referred to the changed political climate in the European part of the
Kingdom. In 2006 and 2007 almost the entire Dutch parliament supported the dismantling agreement which was signed between the Kingdom partners, but support has dwindled over the years, De Jongh-Elhage said. (Various media)

Aruba – Rainbow Warriors: PetroChina Involved in Darfur Genocide
Environmental organization Rainbow Warriors believes that Chinese state-owned oil company PetroChina is involved in the genocide in the Sudanese province Darfur. Various global organizations and NGO’s such as Investors Against Genocide, Sudan Divestment Task Force, Genocide Intervention Network, and the Save Darfur Coalition are asking businesses and other institutions to divest from two Chinese oil companies, PetroChina and Sinopec which helped to fund the genocide in Darfur, according to a spokesperson for the Aruban Rainbow Warriors chapter.
The Aruban government and PetroChina are reportedly on the verge of finalizing the purchase of the US-owned Valero refinery. (Amigoe)

Aruba – Holloway Case Prominent in Dutch Media Again
Nearly one million people in the Netherlands watched a new broadcast on television by crime reporter Peter R. de Vries about Joran van der Sloot, suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway, who went missing while on vacation in Aruba.
The program featured leaked police video from an interrogation by Aruba police commissioner and Holloway case investigation leader Dolfi Richardson at the Rotterdam-Rijnmond police station on February 8, 2008. The broadcast did not reveal any new information. (Various media)


Curacao - NuCapital To Up Curaçao Wind Capacity To 30MW
Wind power developer NuCapital signed an agreement with Utility Company Aqualecta to increase installed wind power generation capacity on Curaçao to 30MW by end-2010.
The capacity of the Tera Cora and Playa Kanoa wind farms will each be 15MW or 15% of the Curacao electricity capacity. The investment totals US $81 million, according to media reports. In the region, NuCapital's investments include the Vader Piet wind farm project in Aruba and early stage ventures in other parts of the Caribbean, as well as Central and South America. (Various media)


Curacao - Whale Stranded In Curacao Bound For CA Marine Park
A pilot whale that became separated from its pod and beached itself on the southern Caribbean island of Curacao is heading for a U.S. marine park after biologists determined the animal likely would not survive in the wild.
SeaWorld San Diego has applied for a permit from the U.S. National Marine Fisheries Service to move the whale to Southern California, where it would live with two other pilot whales, park spokesman David Koontz said Monday. It wasn't yet known when the transfer, by cargo plane, would take place.
The pilot whale, which is 3 to 4 years old, has been under the care of the Southern Caribbean Cetacean Network since July, when it washed ashore in the Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao, dehydrated and underweight. (Various media)


Kingdom - Chavez Alleges US-Dutch Attack Plans
Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez accused the Kingdom of the Netherlands of cooperating with the U.S. to prepare a possible military attack on Venezuela and suggested the European Union should intervene to avoid an armed conflict. The Venezuelan leader asserted that to prepare for the offensive, U.S. military officers have deployed intelligence agents, together with war ships and surveillance aircraft on the islands of Aruba, Curaçao, and Bonaire, which are autonomous territories of the Dutch Kingdom, under the military protection of that nation. “They are three islands in the territorial seas of Venezuela that are still under the imperial regime of the Kingdom of the Netherlands,” Chávez said during a speech in Copenhagen on 12/17, transmitted by Venezuelan government-owned TV Venezolana.
Dutch Kingdom Foreign Minister Verhagen is demanding clarification from Venezuela of the “unfounded accusation” by President Chavez that the Netherlands is working with the U.S. on arming the Antilles and Aruba “up to the teeth” in preparation of “aggression” against Venezuela. He emphatically denied this allegation and noted that all three countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands have no idea what is talking about. “There is no question of imperialism or whatever aggression,” was the message delivered to the Venezuelan Ambassador 12/18.
Verhagen acknowledged that facilities are being made available to the U.S. government at the civilian airports of Curacao and Aruba but that has to do with combating drugs. Venezuela knows that, said Verhagen.
The Kingdom seeks good neighborhood relations with Venezuela and expects the same from Venezuela. “Unfounded accusations are not conducive to that,” he said.
On Thursday night, Antillean Home Affairs Minister Roland Duncan had already dismissed Chavez’ allegation as “nonsense.” “There is nothing the matter,” he said. “There is no question of building up armament.” Duncan said he had no idea on what the allegations were based. “We are close to Venezuela, a country with which we maintain good relations. But we also have good relations with the U.S., which we want to keep that way.” He added that the Antilles have no interest in armament. “Why would we? We are in consultation with the Netherlands on our constitutional future but that has nothing to do with military armament or anything like that.” (Various media)

Aruba – Aruba Signs TIEA With Australia
Dutch Ambassador to Australia Willem Andreae signed a Tax Information Exchange Agreement (TIEA) on behalf of the Aruban government with Australia, earlier this week. TIEAs regulate a framework under which nations will exchange information on tax matters in order to prevent tax fraud, financing of terrorism and money laundering. (Various media)

Antilles – Dismantling Date 10-10-10 in Jeopardy?
The Netherlands is making progress with its preparations to integrate the BES islands (Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba) as public entities in The Netherlands. Unfortunately, Bonaire is not included in all the preparations, Dutch BES Commissioner Henk Kamp stated in a report. The Netherlands and Bonaire have failed to reach an agreement yet on the division of tasks. Kamp spoke of a “less constructive cooperation” with Bonaire’s
new government. Kamp noted that valuable time is lost related to an upcoming referendum in Bonaire. The referendum question is whether the direct ties with the Netherlands, as opted for by the Bonaire people in 2004, should be molded into a free association or public entity format. A proposed January 15, 2010 referendum date was recently postponed. Also, various Dutch government officials believe that the target date 10-10-10, to dismantle the Netherlands Antilles is in serious jeopardy. (Various media)

“The Weekly Press Summary is a compilation of stories running in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruban press that is intended to alert readers about items of interest to them. There is no interpretation or verification of the facts contained therein."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 27, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
 :smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on December 27, 2009, 12:49:22 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 01:02:18 PM
HT CBB

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/NoTour2cbb.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 27, 2009, 02:09:10 PM
I love that one!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on December 27, 2009, 02:59:12 PM
I love that one!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance::

Me too ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 27, 2009, 03:31:42 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=299

Dj Tiesto "Kaleidoscope World Tour 2009" Part 2

Deepak Kalpoe Kawish Misier

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 27, 2009, 06:59:57 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=299

Dj Tiesto "Kaleidoscope World Tour 2009" Part 2

Deepak Kalpoe Kawish Misier

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)


This kidnapper/rapist/murderer looks like he put on weight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on December 27, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
well said San, hopeful you are feeling a bit better today?

I was up working all night before son's graduation just so I could be away, the movie Ghost was on and I had it in the background and when the murderer is carried away by the black squealing/growling figure shadows I thought that would be a fitting ending for Joran and Deepak and Paulus and the list in Aruba is long........

All of Natalee's classmates have graduated now, I don't think it's gotten easier for Natalee's family, just that somehow you learn to live with the incredible pain of losing her to the thiefs in the night in Aruba.

God bless all of you who continue to quest for answers and justice, I hope you each have had warm and happy holidays with your loved ones.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 27, 2009, 08:09:11 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=299

Dj Tiesto "Kaleidoscope World Tour 2009" Part 2

Deepak Kalpoe Kawish Misier

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)


This kidnapper/rapist/murderer looks like he put on weight.

Looks like he's plucking his eyebrows now too.  What a loser he is  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 27, 2009, 08:10:54 PM
well said San, hopeful you are feeling a bit better today?

I was up working all night before son's graduation just so I could be away, the movie Ghost was on and I had it in the background and when the murderer is carried away by the black squealing/growling figure shadows I thought that would be a fitting ending for Joran and Deepak and Paulus and the list in Aruba is long........

All of Natalee's classmates have graduated now, I don't think it's gotten easier for Natalee's family, just that somehow you learn to live with the incredible pain of losing her to the thiefs in the night in Aruba.

God bless all of you who continue to quest for answers and justice, I hope you each have had warm and happy holidays with your loved ones.


Hi Nonesuche, I am feeling a little bit better.

That would be a fitting ending for them all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 27, 2009, 08:16:44 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=299

Dj Tiesto "Kaleidoscope World Tour 2009" Part 2

Deepak Kalpoe Kawish Misier

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)

Same event Valentijn van der Sloot:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ValDJTiesto.jpg)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 27, 2009, 08:21:26 PM
Some things never change: 

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=301

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MamboJamboCroes.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 27, 2009, 09:12:11 PM
Some things never change: 

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=301

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MamboJamboCroes.jpg)

POS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 27, 2009, 09:14:04 PM
Some things never change: 

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=301

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MamboJamboCroes.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 27, 2009, 09:34:04 PM


Same event Valentijn van der Sloot:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ValDJTiesto.jpg)




[/quote]
[/quote]


Val looks like out little green elf. ::ElfMonkey::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 27, 2009, 09:43:37 PM


Same event Valentijn van der Sloot:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ValDJTiesto.jpg)



[/quote]


Val looks like out little green elf. ::ElfMonkey::
[/quote]

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 27, 2009, 10:23:24 PM


Same event Valentijn van der Sloot:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ValDJTiesto.jpg)





Val looks like out little green elf. ::ElfMonkey::
[/quote]

 ::MonkeyDevil::
[/quote]

It ain't easy being green, says someone we know well.    ::ElfMonkey:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  We're ...watching, waiting....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 03:32:07 AM


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!


 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 28, 2009, 08:49:45 AM
Magnolia, I tend to agree with you that something is sinister with Eric Williams.  Why would Mos say he was one of two reasons this case was not solved?

He may have been a legit DEA agent if Beth says so but I still think that even as such, he was definitely up to no good.

Remember Deepak's car inside the fence as seen by Charles Croes?  Yet when Beth 7 Jug got there, it was gone, etc.  I have always thought Williams tipped them off.

I know (and understand) some are skeptics when it comes to Williams - but I personally have always believed he was one of the good guys.

The tip off that came to the vd Sloots - because I wholeheartedly agree there was one - I believe came from Claudio Stamper.  In the Freebirds Series "In the Face of Evil" we pointed out how he could have been the one.

I think one of the reasons Mos said the DEA was part of the reason the case failed - was because of the wire taps.

There are three things that lead us to a possible conclusion it was a vd Sloot phone that was tapped.

1 - The delegation that met with Bachus was SO not happy about "wire taps" as it related to this case.

2 - Williams knew Paulus was a Judge before Beth and Jug even had a last name for Joran.  He told them at the HI that he wanted to go with them to ".......the JUDGE'S house......"

3 - Rudy Croes was aware of several conversations Paulus had with vd Straten within those first few weeks, and we all know that Aruba certainly wasn't tapping either of those people's phones, LOL.

I believe Williams was undercover doing his job - a drug sting, and what helped me further solidify that belief, was the pic of him that Renfro published in her paper that exposed him (Kerm posted a couple pages back).  I firmly believe she did that on purpose.

I also firmly believe that all the horse puckey she posted at RU and FOB about him after the fact was just that - Horse Puckey.  ::MonkeyCool::



Thanks, Jen,

I hope you are right because it is especially sickening to think that one of our own would sell out Beth right from the start.

So this Eric Williams that is now in Scottsdale was the one in Aruba when Natalee disappeared?  The one with the helicopter?

And Claudio Stamper was the pilot? 

I'm not sure who I think tipped off Paulus but I do think somebody did.  Beth was not expected until the next commercial flight and so they thought they had more time to get their lies straight.

Hi Anna,

No - Claudio Stamper was the General Manager of something or other at the Aruban airport.  He was one who would have known the private jet was en route, and what the purpose of its passengers was.

He was one of the "handlers" who accompanied them that first night from the airport....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 28, 2009, 08:54:33 AM
Happy Monday Monkeys!  ::MonkeySkate::

I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas with family and loved ones.

Sorry I've not been around much - I haven't abandonded you all, or Natalee.  Nor will I until she has Justice, and her family has Answers.

I've had many things to do on the home front, and am still very busy with those things.  I check in when I can, and try to read every day.

Thank you to Red, Klaas and every single mod who makes this place possible.  Their hard work on a daily basis is very appreciated!  Each and every Monkey who is here seeking Justice for missing people is like a tiny ray of sunshine in what is sadly becoming a more and more depraved society we all live in.  I am thankful for you all every single day!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 28, 2009, 12:36:04 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 28, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 28, 2009, 01:11:13 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Yeah, I've often wondered if that was the case, Nut....Some should think twice about being in the pic....or cover up a bit.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 28, 2009, 02:13:27 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Yeah, I've often wondered if that was the case, Nut....Some should think twice about being in the pic....or cover up a bit.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm glad you posted about this....I had grabbed a link that would change daily....this is the pic I actually posted:

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/360.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 04:44:53 PM
Happy Monday Monkeys!  ::MonkeySkate::

I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas with family and loved ones.

Sorry I've not been around much - I haven't abandonded you all, or Natalee.  Nor will I until she has Justice, and her family has Answers.

I've had many things to do on the home front, and am still very busy with those things.  I check in when I can, and try to read every day.

Thank you to Red, Klaas and every single mod who makes this place possible.  Their hard work on a daily basis is very appreciated!  Each and every Monkey who is here seeking Justice for missing people is like a tiny ray of sunshine in what is sadly becoming a more and more depraved society we all live in.  I am thankful for you all every single day!!

 ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 28, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=299

Dj Tiesto "Kaleidoscope World Tour 2009" Part 2

Deepak Kalpoe Kawish Misier

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12262009DeepakKalpoe_KawishMisierDJ.jpg)

Same event Valentijn van der Sloot:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ValDJTiesto.jpg)



MISIER, Kawish -  character witness as listed on pg 33 Tacopina’s filing in NY civil suit.


Monkey poster "kbm" was supposedly Kawash Misier, connected with Deepak/Satish. His uncle was psychic Karam Misier who wanted to meet with Dave.  Posts below say Misier is also an uncle to Deepak/Satish.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=245.0   (scroll down for Kawash pic).
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=566.580

OCTOBER 16, 2007 - CAPS came to Freebirds blog via an email sent to him.The IP address of the person who sent the email was: IP Address 66.247.203.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)

THAT IP belongs to:
Kawish Miser IP  66.247.200.232 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on December 28, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9246/beergutalert.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 05:10:00 PM
 
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9246/beergutalert.jpg)


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 05:16:18 PM


Hi San!   ::HelloKitty::  I hope you're feeling better!   :smt056


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2009, 05:51:40 PM
DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 9PM ET:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pretzer122809.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 28, 2009, 06:05:31 PM


Hi San!   ::HelloKitty::  I hope you're feeling better!   :smt056

Hi TM.  Not feeling so good today.  I was in bed most the day. Thanks for asking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2009, 06:15:29 PM
http://www.almerevandaag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/article5637521.ece/Holloway-film-komt-naar-Nederland

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/NHMovieNetherlands.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 06:49:56 PM


Hi San!   ::HelloKitty::  I hope you're feeling better!   :smt056

Hi TM.  Not feeling so good today.  I was in bed most the day. Thanks for asking.

I'm so sorry you're still sick.  I hope you're better soon!  Take care of yourself.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 06:51:39 PM
http://www.almerevandaag.nl/nieuws/binnenland/article5637521.ece/Holloway-film-komt-naar-Nederland

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/NHMovieNetherlands.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 28, 2009, 07:20:15 PM
According to   ArubaAviation.com

The US Government maintains a small number of DEA and military personnel on Aruba at the Airport Facility.
It is hard to believe that the US Govt would not keep some personnel on an island that is known for drugs and
money laundering.

Forward Operating Locations (FOL)

Once its 1999 exit from Panama appeared inevitable, the U.S. military immediately began pursuing another alternative to replace Howard Air Force Base's counter-drug facilities. U.S. officials began negotiating arrangements to use existing airfields in Central America, the Caribbean and northern South America as platforms for U.S. counter-narcotics flights. Under these arrangements, which the Defense Department calls "Forward Operating Locations" or "FOL" U.S. aircraft on detection and monitoring missions have access to foreign airports or air bases. The foreign facilities are owned and operated by the host country. Small numbers of military, DEA, Coast Guard and Customs personnel are stationed at the FOLs to support the U.S. aircraft and to coordinate communications and intelligence. Washington decided that three FOLs locations would be needed to replace Howard Air Force Base,
one in South America, one in the Caribbean and one in Central America. All must meet the following requirements, enumerated by U.S. Southern
Command (Southcom) Commander-in-Chief Gen. Charles Wilhelm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 28, 2009, 07:24:17 PM
According to   ArubaAviation.com

The US Government maintains a small number of DEA and military personnel on Aruba at the Airport Facility.
It is hard to believe that the US Govt would not keep some personnel on an island that is known for drugs and
money laundering.

Forward Operating Locations (FOL)

Once its 1999 exit from Panama appeared inevitable, the U.S. military immediately began pursuing another alternative to replace Howard Air Force Base's counter-drug facilities. U.S. officials began negotiating arrangements to use existing airfields in Central America, the Caribbean and northern South America as platforms for U.S. counter-narcotics flights. Under these arrangements, which the Defense Department calls "Forward Operating Locations" or "FOL" U.S. aircraft on detection and monitoring missions have access to foreign airports or air bases. The foreign facilities are owned and operated by the host country. Small numbers of military, DEA, Coast Guard and Customs personnel are stationed at the FOLs to support the U.S. aircraft and to coordinate communications and intelligence. Washington decided that three FOLs locations would be needed to replace Howard Air Force Base,
one in South America, one in the Caribbean and one in Central America. All must meet the following requirements, enumerated by U.S. Southern
Command (Southcom) Commander-in-Chief Gen. Charles Wilhelm.



Here's the link:    http://www.arubaaviation.com/fol.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 07:28:02 PM
Good evening, Monksters.

Here is a link to another article about the Holloway movie coming to the Netherlands.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F5669765%2F__Holloway-film_naar_Nederland__.html&sl=nl&tl=en

The comments are kind of interesting.  Many are supportive and some think Beth is doing this to make money.  I would guess any money would go to her travels to speak at high schools, etc.  But doubt they know that.  Many do seem to understand a mother's grief, however.

Edit to add link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 07:30:07 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
Jen,

Thanks for the info on Claudio Stamper.  Yes, I remember now he worked at the airport and said strange things about the flight. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 28, 2009, 07:32:22 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 28, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 07:44:19 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 07:45:36 PM
Maybe it's just me but those Aruban kids seem to be aging very fast.  Steve Croes looks middleaged now! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::

(http://www.logoshak.com/~asgsport/images6/Hook_em_Horns.gif) ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:00:53 PM
Magnolia. I suspect we can hear plenty from Aruba into Venezuela.  Uncle Hugo likely doesn't know what we can hear and what we can't and so just wants us to go away.  Makes you wonder what he is so worried about us overhearing.

And now he has added the Dutch to his long list of enemies.  It's always fun to watch the reaction of others to beling named as such.  While they seem OK with his doing so to the US, they are always shocked and outraged to learn that they, too, are a dangerous enemy to him.  Hahah.  He has been extra cocky sinece his big arms deal with Russia, too.

Wiretaps!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 28, 2009, 08:06:35 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::
I live in Texas -- but I'm not a UT fan!!! (see my "cap")  ::CowboySmiley::  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:07:05 PM


Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::

(http://www.logoshak.com/~asgsport/images6/Hook_em_Horns.gif) ::CowboySmiley::



Oh, dear, TxMom!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

You mustn't make your embarrassment any worse than it is going to be already. ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::
I live in Texas -- but I'm not a UT fan!!! (see my "cap")  ::CowboySmiley::  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Well, in that case you are free to support a WINNING team in all this, Wreck.


.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 28, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
Good evening, Monksters.

Here is a link to another article about the Holloway movie coming to the Netherlands.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F5669765%2F__Holloway-film_naar_Nederland__.html&sl=nl&tl=en

The comments are kind of interesting.  Many are supportive and some think Beth is doing this to make money.  I would guess any money would go to her travels to speak at high schools, etc.  But doubt they know that.  Many do seem to understand a mother's grief, however.

Hi, Anna.  Do you still have the link?   Thanks.

Edit to add link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:10:50 PM
 ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::

Off before I get shooed to the football thread for instigating.  And my little dog, too, lol.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:13:41 PM
Good evening, Monksters.

Here is a link to another article about the Holloway movie coming to the Netherlands.

The comments are kind of interesting.  Many are supportive and some think Beth is doing this to make money.  I would guess any money would go to her travels to speak at high schools, etc.  But doubt they know that.  Many do seem to understand a mother's grief, however.

Hi, Anna.  Do you still have the link?   Thanks.


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F5669765%2F__Holloway-film_naar_Nederland__.html&sl=nl&tl=en

Hope it works.  Is the English translation page and they can be trickly.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 28, 2009, 08:14:23 PM
Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::
I live in Texas -- but I'm not a UT fan!!! (see my "cap")  ::CowboySmiley::  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Well, in that case you are free to support a WINNING team in all this, Wreck.


.
I'm still pulling for the pride of the Big XII !!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:17:27 PM
Good evening, Monksters.

Here is a link to another article about the Holloway movie coming to the Netherlands.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F5669765%2F__Holloway-film_naar_Nederland__.html&sl=nl&tl=en

The comments are kind of interesting.  Many are supportive and some think Beth is doing this to make money.  I would guess any money would go to her travels to speak at high schools, etc.  But doubt they know that.  Many do seem to understand a mother's grief, however.

Hi, Anna.  Do you still have the link?   Thanks.

2NJ, if you or any mod would add the link to the post I made about it, I would be very appreciative.  Would make lots more sense.  Sorry, too much holiday madness around here I guess.  Actually, I'm just plain tired as I suspect most of us are this time of year.

Done..link added.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on December 28, 2009, 08:20:52 PM
Wreck, we need a better playoff system.  It's confusing. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 08:27:04 PM


Kawish, hahahha.

I had posted several times about his "charlie manson eyes" and when he was posting in his thread here, out of the blue he asked me what I meant by that.  It was an awkward moment.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Roll Tide, indeed, Magnolia


It seems like such a long wait till the game!! ::MonkeyFootball::

It does!  And then Wreck won't show his face/skull for days following it I am sure.

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::

(http://www.logoshak.com/~asgsport/images6/Hook_em_Horns.gif) ::CowboySmiley::



Oh, dear, TxMom!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

You mustn't make your embarrassment any worse than it is going to be already. ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/382144447_72afeb8df2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2009, 08:58:37 PM
DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 9PM ET:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pretzer122809.jpg)


Click on the link below to start listening now!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on December 28, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you think they are paid? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
Sorry for the O/T!   :2redface:

Would a kind mod please remove one of the attachments in my last post at this link?

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.180

DONE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you think they are paid? 

Could be IMO!  Wouldn't really surprise me at all if they are.  There have been many "events" for travel agents etc. over the past few months trying to boost tourism.  I don't really know the details of the related travel arrangements that encouraged attendance.  Maybe if some are given trips or received discounted rates, they are encouraged to be present when the camera snaps that shot!  Again, JMO!

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 10:21:05 PM
DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER'S SHOW TONIGHT AT 9PM ET:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pretzer122809.jpg)


Click on the link below to start listening now!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

Thanks for the reminders about Dana's show Klaas. 

I was doing other things and missed the first part but what I did hear was very good.  I look forward to downloading and listening again as soon as it's available!

Thanks Dana, Red, Blink, and all the other guests tonight!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
I just noticed that I forgot to add the link when I posted the "Hook em Horns" hand sign!

Sorry about that!   :2redman:

http://www.logoshak.com/~asgsport/images6/Hook_em_Horns.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 28, 2009, 10:44:19 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you think they are paid? 

Tell us what you think, WhiskeyGirl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on December 28, 2009, 10:49:11 PM
Sorry for the O/T!   :2redface:

Would a kind mod please remove one of the attachments in my last post at this link?

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.180

DONE

TM PLEASE REPOST THAT PICTURE.  2NJ AND I WERE IN IT AT THE SAME TIME AND I MESSED IT UP.

IT'S THE FLU I TELL YA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
Sorry for the O/T!   :2redface:

Would a kind mod please remove one of the attachments in my last post at this link?

TIA

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6197.180

DONE

TM PLEASE REPOST THAT PICTURE.  2NJ AND I WERE IN IT AT THE SAME TIME AND I MESSED IT UP.

IT'S THE FLU I TELL YA.

Will do! 

I promise, I'll try not to mess up anymore tonight!   

Thanks to both of you for trying to fix it for me!  (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/smileys/love-134.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 28, 2009, 11:08:53 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you think they are paid? 

Tell us what you think, WhiskeyGirl.


I thought WOAD might be a radio station and they had won a contest.  There is a station WOAD-FM in Pickens,
Mississippi.  It used to be gospel only, but is now sports talk radio.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 28, 2009, 11:32:12 PM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you think they are paid? 

Could be IMO!  Wouldn't really surprise me at all if they are.  There have been many "events" for travel agents etc. over the past few months trying to boost tourism.  I don't really know the details of the related travel arrangements that encouraged attendance.  Maybe if some are given trips or received discounted rates, they are encouraged to be present when the camera snaps that shot!  Again, JMO!

 ::MonkeyWink::


http://www.wqad.com/

I think it's WQAD (maybe K2's Illinois attorneys, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/zoom3.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 28, 2009, 11:54:22 PM
I don't know if the name of the ship is in the article or not!  (Marando?)
Just thought this was kind of odd.

Curacao

http://www.24ora.an/content/view/7942/5/

(http://www.24ora.an/images/stories/news/2009/december/dec28/barco.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

9 cadaver tresi at mouth sami

monday, 28 december 2009 - 10:29

at the moment they here one barku enough big is jegando for mara at the boei at mouth sami. klik read more for more information... information they with we have is with some day happen had one exploshon on the barku here,ku owing to cost 9 person they life,nos not know what owing to cause the exploshon here. owing to choose korsou for bring the cadaver they here,pa account none another island does not did take the enkargo here. the barku is marando,na mouth sami for after descend the body they without life here at korsou for after they sigi they destiny end.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 12:00:54 AM
:smt102 ::ElfMonkey::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)

They must be 'Props'  ::MonkeyTongue::

Do you think they are paid? 

Could be IMO!  Wouldn't really surprise me at all if they are.  There have been many "events" for travel agents etc. over the past few months trying to boost tourism.  I don't really know the details of the related travel arrangements that encouraged attendance.  Maybe if some are given trips or received discounted rates, they are encouraged to be present when the camera snaps that shot!  Again, JMO!

 ::MonkeyWink::


http://www.wqad.com/

I think it's WQAD (maybe K2's Illinois attorneys, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: )

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/zoom3.jpg)



::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe they all went to the DJ Tiesto concert!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 03:06:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!
That's what it's all about Aruba,
We won't give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 03:09:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!
That's what it's all about Aruba,
We won't give up!


 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 04:36:16 AM
I don't know if the name of the ship is in the article or not!  (Marando?)
Just thought this was kind of odd.

Curacao

http://www.24ora.an/content/view/7942/5/

(http://www.24ora.an/images/stories/news/2009/december/dec28/barco.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

9 cadaver tresi at mouth sami

monday, 28 december 2009 - 10:29

at the moment they here one barku enough big is jegando for mara at the boei at mouth sami. klik read more for more information... information they with we have is with some day happen had one exploshon on the barku here,ku owing to cost 9 person they life,nos not know what owing to cause the exploshon here. owing to choose korsou for bring the cadaver they here,pa account none another island does not did take the enkargo here. the barku is marando,na mouth sami for after descend the body they without life here at korsou for after they sigi they destiny end.

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/algemeen/article.aspx?cp-documentid=151506155

Google translation:

By: Novum, Updated: 25/12/2009

Greek container ship flame for Venezuela

(AP) - A Greek cargo ship Friday off the coast is on fire flew from Venezuela. Nine crew members are missing, four are wounded. That the owner of the ship said.

The vessel, the Aegean Wind, transported more than 37 thousand tons of iron ore from Brazil to Houston when fire broke out in the canteen of the ship. Six Filipino and three Greek crew members who at the time of the fire were in the canteen are still missing.

The company that owns the ship received the information via a Dutch ship, the Borg Amstel, that the radio contact with the captain of the Aegean Wind. From Venezuela to a helicopter and several boats sent to the disaster site.

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=545:lichamen-vrachtschip-geborgen&catid=3:curacao&Itemid=81

Bodies salvaged cargo

MONDAY, 28 DECEMBER 2009 23:07

The Aegean Wind, the Greek freighter that Friday 90 miles off the coast of Venezuela in flames, was yesterday towed to Curacao. The ship was at Boca Sami investigated by the Public Health Service and the inspection port.

Nine crew members (3 Filipino, Greek 6) of the ship survived the fire is not. They were yesterday each of three aircraft. Aid workers were wearing gas masks against the smell of decomposing bodies already. Five people were injured in the fire. They have been removed by Venezuelan authorities for medical treatment on Isla Margarita.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 29, 2009, 09:42:54 AM
 ::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/362.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 10:11:45 AM
::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/362.zoom3.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 12:52:25 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/12/empleadonan-a-pidi-bancarota-di-key-largo-casino-management-n-v/

Papiamentu translation:

empleadonan owing to ask bancarota of key largo casino management n.v

publication: tuesday, 29 december 2009.

categoria: general

today huez is give his decision

oranjestad(aan):— monday at corte did take lugar one caso sumario entama of part of the empleadonan of key largo casino, contra key largo casino management n.v.

after cu kl management cu was encarga cu operacion of the hotel owing to bay bancarota, the empleadonan of the resort owing to achieve they cesantia pay for svb.

sinembargo the empleadonan of casino not owing to achieve nothing.

in one interview, advocate figaroa of fta that is representa the trahadornan of the casino owing to splica cu anteriormente intencion was for ask bancarota of kl y also key largo management, but owing to wordo tell cu the empleadonan of casino also is cay bao of kl management.

fta the hour ey owing to dicidi of ask only bancarota of kl.

now cu the curatornan owing to achieve all documento y informacion, owing to come resulta cu do not berdad cu the empleadonan of casino is cay bao of kl.

pesey they not owing to achieve coin y advocate figaroa owing to representando the empleadonan owing to try achieve one date first cu pasco for at corte ask bancarota of key largo casino management, for so svb can pay they also they cesantia first cu pasco.

svb is dispuesto of make this, same cu owing to wordo make cue empleadonan of the resort recientemente.

not can owing to succeed of achieve one date first cu pasco, but owing to succeed achieve first cu end of year.

during the caso key largo casino management n.v owing to ask huez for dune time, because they will have inversionistanan cla for take over the operacion, but according figaroa, the do not believe in the storianan ey.

past owing to ask huez for declara the n.v bancarota, for so the trahadornan can achieve at cesantia first cu end of year. today self huez is bay give his decision.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/12/bodemzaak-lo-tuma-decision-final-den-caso-di-jaguar/

bodemzaak will take decision end in caso of jaguar

publication: tuesday, 29 december 2009.

categoria: general

advocate duineveld:

oranjestad (aan): in name of his cliente, the owner aboriginal of the vehiculo of mark jaguar, advocate edwin duineveld owing to haci the next declaracion.

according advocate, his cliente americano cu owing to lose the caso sumario week happen at where madam angela owing to exigi corte for less the embargo cu the mericano owing to place on his jaguar.

advocate duineveld owing to splica, cu the decision of place beslag owing to worde take first cu the self owing to become advocate of the mericano.

everybody know cu one caso sumario is only one decision provisional y cu in one bodemzaak the decision end will cay. in one caso sumario for less beslag the demandante, in the caso here madam angela, have to immidiately show cu on first view the will do not envolvi in the verduistering of the jaguar of my cliente.

juez owing to achieve cu now madam angela owing to cumpra the car of sr. thiel y cu the can owing to place the car on his name on first view have sufficient indicacion cu madam angela owing to actua of beuna confidence hour past owing to cumpra the jaguar of of sr. thiel.

leynan of aruba is tell cu esun cu owing to cumpra algo of a cu do not the criminal self, have to worde protehi till cu one cierto boundary. in the bodemzaak we will look at if madam angela owing to actua berdaderamente of buena confidence or not.

in the caso contra sr. bathia y sr. thiel the is completamente another. at first lugar the caso sumario not was of sr. thiel also. at none instant huez owing to tell cu sr. thiel owing to actua of buena confidence.

huez just distancia his self of esey, because the caso was among angela y the mericano. the unique cu huez owing to tell is, cu if sr. thiel owing to actua robez, still at first view the is of opinion cu have posibilidad cu the proteccion of ley will count ; for madam angela nothing more!

mature is cu sr. thiel owing to cumpra the car of sr. bathia, siendo cu bathia owing to verduister the car of the mericano, without cu this can owing to give none proof cu the car is of dje.

the mericano have all confianza, cu if in the bodemzaak the car have to stay cu madam angela, the hour sr. bathia y sr. thiel will worde poni responsible for pay the dañonan at my cliente. because both owing to actua in one form much robez in the caso here.

fuera of esey, the mericano owing to entrega one complaint penal contra sr. paul bathia.

advocate duineveld owing to splica daily paper, cu on his peticion, his cliente not owing to let his amigonan of cnn come aruba still for cobertura of the caso here (y also the as con much person more owing to become victima of sr. bathia in the bancarota of mar azul), because esey will trece once more the name of aruba internacionalmente in one luz much negative.

the mericano owing to let know cu the is depende of ministerio publico, if the will follow listen the conseho of advocate duineveld.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

12/29/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

Papiamentu translation:

advocate mr. edwin duijneveld is splica the near of medaya of his cliente, encuanto the car jaguar

for of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, we owing to recibi one declaracion cu the is haci at name of his cliente, charles pantano, the owner of the car jaguar. cu cliente, one americano cu owing to lose the caso sumario week happen at where sra.angela owing to exigi corte for less the embargo cu charles pantano, cliente of duijnveld owing to place on his jaguar.

we is bay cita declaracion of advocate mr. edwin duijneveld, that is bisa: “lagami is good cla. the decision of place beslag owing to wordo take first cu i have become advocate of my cliente. we all know cu one caso sumario is only one decision provisional y cu in one bodemzaak the decision end will cay.

in one caso sumario for less beslag the demandante, in the caso here sra. angela, have to immidiately show cu on first view the will do not envolvi in the verduistering of the jaguar of my cliente. huez owing to achieve cu now sra. angela owing to cumpra the car of sr. edwin thiel y cu the can owing to place the car on his name on first view have sufficient indicacion cu sra. angela owing to actua of buena confidence hour past owing to cumpra the jaguar of sr. edwin thiel.

we leynan is tell cu esun cu owing to cumpra algo of a cu not t’e criminal self, have to wordo protegi till cu one cierto boundary. in the bodemzaak we will look at if sra. angela owing to actua berdaderamente of buena confidence or not.

in the caso contra sres. paul bathia y edwin thiel, the is completamente another. at first lugar the caso sumario not was of sr. edwin thiel also. at none instant huez owing to tell cu sr. thiel owing to actua of buena confidence. huez just owing to distancia his self of esey, because the caso was among angela y my cliente. the unique cu huez owing to tell is, cu if sr. thiel owing to actua left, still at first view the is of opinion cu have posibilidad cu the protecion of ley will count ; for sra. angela nothing more!

mature is cu sr. edwin thiel owing to cumpra the car of sr. paul bathia, that owing to verduister the car of my cliente, without cu this can owing to give none proof cu the car is of dje. my cliente have all confiansa if in the bodemzaak the car have to stay cu sra. angela, sr. bathia y sr. thiel will wordo poni responsible for pay the dañonan at my cliente. because both owing to actua in one form much robez in the caso here. more my cliente owing to entrega one complaint penal contra sr. paul bathia.

on my peticon my cliente not owing to let his amigonan of cnn come aruba still for cobertura of the caso here (y also the as con much person more owing to become victima of sr. bathia in the bancarota of marazul), because esey will trece once more the name of aruba internacionalmente in one luz much negative. my cliente is let know cu the is depende of ministerio publico if the will sigi listen my conseho”.

till here declaracion of advocate mr. edwin duijeveld, at name of his cliente, charles patano. y all the time duijeveld owing to convoca one conferencia of prensa diahuebs now, for bay in more detaye of the caso here, cu owing to wing so tanto atencion.

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(I don't know if this is the same guy or not, but I found this on a Charles Patano... http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/06/lindens_mayoral_cadillac_sells_1.html)

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Pretty sure this is the same guy... ::MonkeyWink::

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2009/12/04/charlie-says-thank-you-with-a-donation/

Charlie says Thank You with a donation

Rona Coster

Charles Pantano, an island visitor from the USA who also owns a home on Aruba delivered a generous donation to Imeldahof Children’s home. Charlie received assistance this week from two local residents who did not want to be compensated for their time or effort, and as a form of gratitude Charlie decided to deliver a cash donation to Imeldahof in their name.

Charlie was received by Nimia Orman, the pedagogical coordinator who explained that Imeldahof Children’s Home is a private foundation, in Noord, adjacent to the Santa Anna church, capable of taking in up to 52 children.

While the home does receive minimal support from the government, the majority of its many needs must be met by donations and Imeldahof is dependent on the community’s generosity and willingness to help.

The objective of the children’s home, explains Nimia, is to offer temporary shelter and guidance to children who, for a variety of reasons, are unable to remain with their families of origin. In most cases this is only until placement with relatives or foster parents can be arranged.

A few of the reasons for placement of children at Imeldahof are mental or physical abuse, neglect and/or alcohol or drug use by parents, or jail terms imposed on primary caretakers.

Imeldahof provides for children physically as well as emotionally, offering them safety and structure in a supportive, loving environment,

Every child receives individual guidance, and their daily schedules also reflect their special needs and likes. While living in the home, children are observed continuously and their needs are assessed and adjusted on an ongoing basis.

Children with specific emotional and behavioral challenges receive guidance by specialists and still participate in the general program. Ballet, music, taekwondo, arts and crafts, are offered as part of the curriculum and children are encouraged to attend regular elementary and secondary schools in their own neighborhoods.

Pictured here Charlie touring Imeldahof as he hands over his much needed donation.

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Author:Rona Coster

Time:Friday, December 4th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Category:All, Community


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/churchlady_2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 02:12:59 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66809.php

Google translation:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 02:53:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO1ZWN6Km_I

http://www.youtube.com/v/tO1ZWN6Km_I&hl=en_US&fs=1&

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66788.php

Google translation:

Curaçao

Jasper Schuringa to retreat from media coverage


December 28, 2009, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

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PHILIPSBURG - "We are very proud of our son, but really counts for us but one thing: We are very pleased and grateful that he survived. For the same money we could bury him now, 'says the mother of Jasper Schuringa.

Jasper Schuringa (32), born and raised in Curacao, was the overpowering of a 23-year old Nigerian terrorist on a flight from Schiphol to Detroit in a hit an internationally renowned hero. Parents Bob and Ingrid Schuringa live in Julianadorp. "If he had done nothing serious was the past, fears mother Ingrid.

The couple learned Friday that their son had made through his business partner that he's video production company in Amsterdam Go with the flow Productions runs. He called first so his parents would not scare. "When five or six hours we heard nothing." At that time Schuringa questioned by the FBI. During the first message was not specified what role Schuringa had played in thwarting the attack, but soon starting to feel the news of the world.

No money wolf
His page on Internet network Hyves is Schuringa by acquaintances and strangers praised as a hero. That fame has a downside, is now also Schuringa already known. On various Internet sites that sings around Schuringa would be out of money. That in an interview with CNN a few times to get up and wanted to end the conversation, he would not be interpreted as tuned in to give away. Mother Ingrid is "very real" that such messages are in the world helped.

During the interview for CNN by the FBI people sat beside her son to tell what he did and could not say, as she explains. That paid for media appearances in American practice, for any Dutch interviews he gets nothing, says his mother.

A friend who ANP news agency cites not want to be identified by name, referring reports that Schuringa charge for the Dutch to speak to the press, to the realm of fiction. "The world press is behind him. He can not speak to anyone. "

The friend also states that Schuringa not see himself as a hero. The friend goes well with Schuringa, but he is tired and rest. "Jasper has not asked all here and now would really prefer to holiday. That was the purpose of his trip. "

Also Schuringa's mother says he is calm again. "He has not slept for days." Schuringa, the rest of his vacation, according to his mother rest incognito. He would have changed his vacation in early January and return to the Netherlands.

Physically goes well with him. Schuringa went to thwart the attack of the second degree burns to one hand. "Not very violently," said his mother. "The end was worse, considering that the flames came up to the ceiling."


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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66823.php

Google translation:

CURAÇAO

Government wants to celebrate Schuringa

December 29, 2009, 12:59 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - The State Government wants Curaçao Jasper Schuringa to celebrate. "We can be proud of him. He is a hero, "said Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage.

Yesterday the Prime Minister talked with the parents, Jasper Schuringa itself and two other maps, were on board the aircraft. "A very nice conversation. He is very grateful and honored that I was the one he had called. "

How and when Schuringa is put in the sun, is still unclear. "He must first come to rest with his parents and we see how we do." This confirms the prime minister, it would be like most Schuringa would come to Curaçao. "The question is whether you can, but we will definitely do something."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 05:34:27 PM
http://blog.taragana.com/politics/2009/12/20/chavez-says-us-spy-plane-violated-venezuelas-airspace-tells-military-to-shoot-down-others-9407/

Chavez says US spy plane violated Venezuela’s airspace, tells military to shoot down others

By Christopher Toothaker, APDecember 20th, 2009

 
Chavez: US spy plane violated Venezuela’s airspace


CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez on Sunday accused the U.S. of violating Venezuela’s airspace with an unmanned spy plane, and ordered his military to be on alert and shoot down any such aircraft in the future.

Speaking during his weekly television and radio program, Chavez said the aircraft overflew a Venezuelan military base in the western state of Zulia after taking off from neighboring Colombia. He did not elaborate, but suggested the plane was being used for espionage.

“These are the Yankees. They are entering Venezuela,” he said.

“I’ve ordered them to be shot down,” Chavez said of the aircraft. “We cannot permit this.”

Chavez has accused Colombia of allowing the United States to use its military bases to prepare a possible attack against Venezuela.

Both the U.S. and Colombia have denied such allegations in the past, saying the U.S. military presence is for the sole purpose of combating drug trafficking.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy said the mission had no information about any flyover and had not been contacted by Chavez’s administration.

“If the Venezuelan government would like to speak with us about any issue, we would welcome discussions because we seek open dialogue with all nations in the hemisphere,” spokeswoman Robin Holzhauer said.

U.S. Department of Defense spokeswoman Lt. Col. Rene White declined to comment.

It is not uncommon for Chavez to accuse other nations, especially the U.S. and its allies, of conspiring against Venezuela.

Last week, the president accused the Netherlands of letting the U.S. military use Dutch islands off Venezuela’s Caribbean coast to prepare for a possible military offensive. The former paratroop commander said the U.S. military has sent intelligence agents, warships and spy planes to Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire, which are self-governing Dutch islands.

The Dutch government rejected the allegations and the country’s top diplomat, Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen, has asked Venezuela’s ambassador to clarify the claims, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bart Rijs said.

Rijs said U.S. soldiers do use civilian air fields on Curacao and Aruba, but only for anti-drug trafficking efforts.

Tensions between Venezuela and neighboring Colombia have been tense for months due to Chavez’s accusations of warmongering and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe’s allegations that Venezuela has allowed Colombian rebel leaders to seek refuge there.

Chavez denied on Sunday that his socialist government is protecting Marxist guerrillas and warned Colombia’s military against sending soldiers across the border.

“You’ll be sorry,” he said. “We are not unarmed.”

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 09:48:02 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2339&offId=0

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12292009_Awe24_VenzTouristsArrest01.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

2 hora happen | fecha: 29/12/2009 | horario: 18:17

are of tourist venezolano owing to arise contra miembronan of tripulacion of catamaran y contra police

tuesday nightfall owing to enter informe of one action enough serious cu was tumando lugar on one boat of placer, at once owing to dirigi police at the sitio. at arrival of police personal of strandpolitie owing to achieve they self is atende cu one are of among 30 for 40 tourist venezolano cu was very fresco y owing to arise contra police. hour owing to ripara cu the situation is tenso y owing to ask refuerso already cu they not was give respet. several patrol owing to bay at the sitio y here the action owing to become more big. while more patrol owing to arrive owing to succeed domina the situation y owing to detene 3 person. among esnan cu they owing to detene have uno cu owing to fight contra police y police owing to achieve they're using klop for domine. in the forsaheyo here ela ricibi one chop at his cabes. debi cu ela stay deteni owing to solocita ambulance for her at keep of shaba. come across

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http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14876/8/

Papiamentu translation:

battalion of police owing to detene 4 tourist sober y aggressive

tuesday, 29 december 2009 - 18:29

tuesday nightfall capitan of one catamaran commercial is ask asistencia policial for some person fastioso cu is under influencia on the catamaran. at instant cu the catamaran owing to mara at the pier police y visbility team owing to come for atende the are owing to achieve they're defende they self debi cu the are owing to arise aggressive contra they. here is deal of one bringamento strong cu did take lugar among autoridad y the are of person. immediatamente  owing to ask for asistencia of polisnan of oranjstad, north, santa cruz y even coast guard owing to come at the sitio. provided that overall owing to detene 4 person. here rato more imagen.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 29, 2009, 10:09:40 PM
I think that may be Paul Suete in one of those pics with the police. (2nd picture in the 24ora group)

http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayUserAlbum.do?ownerId=1579061&albumId=9307449

Check out picture number 2 at the link.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 30, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_66815.php

Aruba
Key Largo paid employees
December 29, 2009, 12:50 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The ruling of the trial by the staff of Key Largo is brought against the casino was moved to three hours this afternoon. This lawyer has informed this morning Hose Figaroa to Amigoe.

The lawyer who represented the employees of Key Largo, workers paid tomorrow. October 28 since they have not received any wages. Last week went all employees, including employees of the Aruban Resort, to the Social Insurance Bank (SVB) for the documents to submit their resignation which they get paid extra. When it appeared that only employees of the hotel got their dismissal fee. This was because the casino has not officially been declared bankrupt. The 74 staff have therefore requested the bankruptcy of the casino so as still to get their severance. According to their lawyer, the 74 employees paid tomorrow, once the casino is declared bankrupt. The casino is temporarily no longer running any case, since the permit was revoked, said Figaroa.

Nuts
WEB and Elmar utilities have filed a lawsuit against the management of The Aruban Resort. According Figaroa The Aruban Resort is only al owed Elmar 800,000 florin. WEB, the bankruptcy of both the casino resort. The water company has more than one million florin balance of the Key Largo Casino and Resort The Aruban together. The ruling of the trial of the utilities against the casino announced this afternoon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 02:07:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)

Truth and Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 30, 2009, 03:32:47 AM
Truth and Justice for Natalee.... ::MonkeyAngel::
That is why we are here aruba......
Bank on it....My calendar is clear for the next 40 years.... ::MonkeyCool::
Hows that tourism thingy working for you aruba?.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 30, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
I think that may be Paul Suete in one of those pics with the police. (2nd picture in the 24ora group)

http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayUserAlbum.do?ownerId=1579061&albumId=9307449

Check out picture number 2 at the link.   ::MonkeyWink::


lol....he is the first person I scanned the photo for when I saw all the cops, lmao.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 30, 2009, 08:21:53 AM
Whoa!!!! ::MonkeyEek::


http://blog.taragana.com/politics/2009/12/20/chavez-says-us-spy-plane-violated-venezuelas-airspace-tells-military-to-shoot-down-others-9407/

Chavez says US spy plane violated Venezuela’s airspace, tells military to shoot down others

By Christopher Toothaker, APDecember 20th, 2009

 
Chavez: US spy plane violated Venezuela’s airspace


CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez on Sunday accused the U.S. of violating Venezuela’s airspace with an unmanned spy plane, and ordered his military to be on alert and shoot down any such aircraft in the future.

Speaking during his weekly television and radio program, Chavez said the aircraft overflew a Venezuelan military base in the western state of Zulia after taking off from neighboring Colombia. He did not elaborate, but suggested the plane was being used for espionage.

“These are the Yankees. They are entering Venezuela,” he said.

“I’ve ordered them to be shot down,” Chavez said of the aircraft. “We cannot permit this.”

Chavez has accused Colombia of allowing the United States to use its military bases to prepare a possible attack against Venezuela.

Both the U.S. and Colombia have denied such allegations in the past, saying the U.S. military presence is for the sole purpose of combating drug trafficking.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy said the mission had no information about any flyover and had not been contacted by Chavez’s administration.

“If the Venezuelan government would like to speak with us about any issue, we would welcome discussions because we seek open dialogue with all nations in the hemisphere,” spokeswoman Robin Holzhauer said.

U.S. Department of Defense spokeswoman Lt. Col. Rene White declined to comment.

It is not uncommon for Chavez to accuse other nations, especially the U.S. and its allies, of conspiring against Venezuela.

Last week, the president accused the Netherlands of letting the U.S. military use Dutch islands off Venezuela’s Caribbean coast to prepare for a possible military offensive. The former paratroop commander said the U.S. military has sent intelligence agents, warships and spy planes to Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire, which are self-governing Dutch islands.

The Dutch government rejected the allegations and the country’s top diplomat, Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen, has asked Venezuela’s ambassador to clarify the claims, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bart Rijs said.

Rijs said U.S. soldiers do use civilian air fields on Curacao and Aruba, but only for anti-drug trafficking efforts.

Tensions between Venezuela and neighboring Colombia have been tense for months due to Chavez’s accusations of warmongering and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe’s allegations that Venezuela has allowed Colombian rebel leaders to seek refuge there.

Chavez denied on Sunday that his socialist government is protecting Marxist guerrillas and warned Colombia’s military against sending soldiers across the border.

“You’ll be sorry,” he said. “We are not unarmed.”

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 30, 2009, 08:25:42 AM

Oh wow!  Look at the size of that Aruban Polis patrol boat!!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2339&offId=0



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12292009_Awe24_VenzTouristsArrest05.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on December 30, 2009, 10:37:47 AM

Oh wow!  Look at the size of that Aruban Polis patrol boat!!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2339&offId=0



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12292009_Awe24_VenzTouristsArrest05.jpg)

I guess they found and repaired the SS Minnow.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 30, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
Boston-bound JetBlue plane makes emergency landing in Bermuda
REUTERS

Last Updated: 1:31 PM, December 30, 2009

Posted: 9:42 AM, December 30, 2009

HAMILTON, Bermuda -- A JetBlue Airways Corp passenger jet on a flight from Aruba to Boston made an emergency landing in Bermuda on Tuesday after the crew reported smoke in the cockpit, a local newspaper said on Wednesday, quoting fire service and airline officials.

The Airbus A320 landed safely on Tuesday evening at L.F. Wade International Airport on the Atlantic island, Bermuda’s Royal Gazette newspaper quoted Lieutenant Dana Lovell of the Bermuda Fire Service as saying. There were no injuries.

“Smoke was coming from the flight controls and the pilot had contacted the tower to say he was able to turn off the controls that were smoking, but couldn’t turn off the alarms,“ Lovell said, quoted by the newspaper.

The Royal Gazette quoted an unidentified spokesperson for JetBlue as saying the pilot diverted flight number 774 to Bermuda as a precaution. The newspaper said 70 passengers were on board.

“It could have been a bust light or smoke,” the spokesperson said, adding the plane was checked and cleared for departure again, according to the newspaper.

JetBlue did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/boston_bound_jetblue_plane_makes_zWPjCXMDwAU4ZMbqNykgsM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 30, 2009, 02:31:28 PM
Only 70 passengers?  ::MonkeyCool::

Doesn't sound like it was even 1/2 full. This is high season isn't it  ???
 
Seats: 150
Seat Configuration: 25 rows in a three-by-three layout

http://www.jetblue.com/about/whyyoulllike/about_whyairbusstats.html
 
The A320 sets a new generation of comfort standards, with 12 first class and 138 economy class seats in the widest cabin available for single-aisle jetliners
http://www.airbus.com/index.php?id=1526
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 02:57:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66887.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Key Largo Casino officially bankrupt

December 30, 2009, 12:51 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The Key Largo Casino yesterday afternoon was officially declared bankrupt. Utilities WEB and Elmar view with the curators on how the amount of over two million florin to come to the casino still had to pay them. The 74 employees receive their severance pay today or tomorrow.

According to chairman of the union Clear Rudy Geerman, employees of the Key Largo Casino welcome the ruling of the court. "It was of course foreseeable that it would be declared bankrupt," said Geerman. "With the prospect of the severance in the casino employees in any case money bag to the year to start. Previously dismissed employees were not money, "said Geerman. The union is waiting to see what the government will do to save the jobs. "I am convinced that a new hotel operator quickly will give a new start. Then, most employees of both The Aruban Resort as the Key Largo Casino get their jobs back. The hotel offers many business opportunities. Eighty percent of the timeshare is sold. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 03:17:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66897.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Legal battle for taxi permits

December 30, 2009, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A group of 26 persons from the court to compel the government that they still get a taxi license. Minister of Tourism and Transport Otmar Oduber (ASF) had their pledges for a taxi license was revoked and that the group disagreed. Anthony Ruiz lawyer representing the group in the case which was yesterday.

Former Minister of Tourism and Transportation, Edison Briesen (MEP) had 52 people promised they would get a taxi license. Oduber has withdrawn that promise. The argument was that the licensing process "was not properly conducted" and that the former minister had abused his position. These commitments "not legally binding on the government", said Oduber. Moreover, he argued, there is no need for new taxis.

Nonsense, find lawyer Ruiz. "There have been ten years no new taxi licenses issued. In this period, tourism has grown tremendously. "The return of KLM and Carnival Cruises and the increase in flights of American Airlines makes it necessary according to the lawyer that more taxis to drive around the island. It also highlights the El Gaucho restaurant popular with tourists. "After dinner, tourists may have to wait twenty minutes until a taxi comes."

The counselor also believes that the commitment for the license "not just" be granted. They are well substantiated and not against the law. "My clients can have confidence in the decision of a minister," said the lawyer. "The granting of the taxi permit also costs the government nothing, it just gives them money in the form of taxes and fees." The overall taxi would also improve if more taxis would come, and that again is positive for tourism. Ruiz asked the judge to force the government to return to the revocation or other damages attributable to its clients.
The court will rule on January 6.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 03:29:21 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66893.php

Google translation:

Curacao

"FOL's not used to transport prisoners by U.S. '

December 30, 2009, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

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PHILIPSBURG / THE HAGUE - The data that the U.S. has provided under the operating agreement and own observations showed that the two military bases FOL not used for the transportation of detainees and / or prisoners.

It says the Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxime Verhagen to the permanent parliamentary committee on Foreign Affairs Second. The MPs asked if "can be excluded with certainty that the two FOLs the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in the U.S. have ever been used for the transportation of detainees and / or prisoners, thereby excluding own staff.

The minister indicates that between the Kingdom and the U.S. in implementing the underlying agreements about the nature, content and method of disclosure by the U.S. and that the Kingdom has the option to request further information.

The minister also submit to the MPs that the use of the FOL FOL's is governed by the Convention, since it questions whether it is true, "as some press articles claimed that the Government of the Netherlands Antilles may authorize the FOL for the use of aircraft and ships from the U.S., without consulting with The Hague ".

"This treaty provides under Article II to authorize the United States for access to and use of Hato International Airport in Curacao and Reina Beatrix Airport in Aruba, and designated ports and facilities, solely in connection with drugs from the air strike. Under Article IV is not a necessary statement prior diplomatic flight. "For a flight under the Convention is an abbreviated FOL process used by the aeronautical authorities of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba for obtaining permission to use the airspace of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba entry may be allowed to come and countries. All other flights such as regular exercises with the Americans and for VIP visits, the regular approval process to be followed by The Hague.

Basic Manta Ecuador
It was also asked whether it is true that the Ministry of Defense of Ecuador has made himself an investigation into the use of the Manta base, and it is shown that there is an operational agreement, which fleshes out the procedures for using the basis. "The last flight of the U.S. Drug exploration from the base Manta took place on July 17, 2009. On September 18, 2009 was the basis formally transferred to Ecuador. With that, the use of Manta by the U.S. formally ended. The Ecuadorian government has studied the use of the base. There is no operating agreement that the continued use of the basic controls. There is an agreement which regulates the procedure between the U.S. and Ecuador, where the air force, navy or coast guard of the U.S. ships under Ecuadorian flag would want to inspect. This Agreement is separate from the U.S. use of the Manta base, which has been terminated, "Verhagen said.

According to a statement by the Minister of Defense of Ecuador Ecuador in the past would not "direct control" have the information that was obtained by the flights. "The information gathered by the flights was given to a coordination center in the U.S. which also Ecuadorian liaison officer was (and is) linked. This information was available on request from the Ecuadorian authorities. Following an examination of the Ecuadorian government to the events surrounding an attack by Colombian forces on a FARC base in Ecuador by the U.S. data on all flights in that period to Ecuador made available in order to counter rumors as would Manta base in any way involved in this attack.

This past flights would be conducted with other objectives than drug control by the U.S. denied. The Ecuadorian authorities have not indicated that many flights would be carried out with no outstanding drugs would have to give Verhagen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66878.php

Google translation:

CURAÇAO

Queen Appreciation for Jasper Schuringa

December 30, 2009, 12:26 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG / THE HAGUE - Queen Beatrix has to convey its appreciation to Jasper Schuringa "for his courageous act". That the Government Information Service reported today.

The Carnegie Foundation Heroes Fund Netherlands wants Schuringa receives an award for his act. The fund's main objective to give awards to people who risk their lives one's life saved or tried to do. The sister organization in the United States would have to bear Schuringa, since the heroic deed took place in America. There is a bronze and a silver medal. A silver medal is awarded less often.

The 32-year Curaçao last weekend helped to overpower a man who wanted to commit an attack on the plane in which he Sat As this newspaper reported yesterday, will the Government of the Netherlands Antilles Jasper like celebrating. Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage has contact with him. The Dutch Deputy Prime Minister Wouter Bos said Saturday by telephone with him and spoke for the Dutch government appreciation. The Dutch Minister Guusje ter Horst (Home Affairs) Schuringa praised today during a press conference where they announced that all passengers traveling from the airport to the U.S. in the short term to go through a body scan.

Meanwhile, Dutch media are eager to Schuringa to snare an interview when he again set foot on Dutch soil.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 30, 2009, 05:27:47 PM
Only 70 passengers?  ::MonkeyCool::

Doesn't sound like it was even 1/2 full. This is high season isn't it  ???
 
Seats: 150
Seat Configuration: 25 rows in a three-by-three layout

http://www.jetblue.com/about/whyyoulllike/about_whyairbusstats.html
 
The A320 sets a new generation of comfort standards, with 12 first class and 138 economy class seats in the widest cabin available for single-aisle jetliners
http://www.airbus.com/index.php?id=1526
 

We've never been on a flight to or from an island that wasn't full, but we have always had a non-stop flight.  I just looked at available JetBlue flights for tomorrow from Aruba to Boston and 4 came up.  One non-stop and the other three layover in NYC.  All had around 3 or 4 seats available. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on December 30, 2009, 05:48:35 PM

I am heading out of town a bit early for the weekend but wanted to check in, and wish all Monkeys a fun and safe New Year celebration!

May 2010 bring promise, hope, peace and happiness for all.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 06:00:18 PM

I am heading out of town a bit early for the weekend but wanted to check in, and wish all Monkeys a fun and safe New Year celebration!

May 2010 bring promise, hope, peace and happiness for all.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Thanks jen!  I wish the same for you and yours too! 

Safe travels! 

Happy New Year!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 06:29:27 PM
Sorry for the O/T but I had to post this here in hopes "BlueMoon" would see it!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_sc/us_sci_blue_moon

Rare New Year's Eve 'blue moon' to ring in 2010

By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer – Tue Dec 29, 7:03 pm ET

LOS ANGELES – Once in a blue moon there is one on New Year's Eve. Revelers ringing in 2010 will be treated to a so-called blue moon. According to popular definition, a blue moon is the second full moon in a month. But don't expect it to be blue — the name has nothing to do with the color of our closest celestial neighbor.

A full moon occurred on Dec. 2. It will appear again on Thursday in time for the New Year's countdown.

"If you're in Times Square, you'll see the full moon right above you. It's going to be that brilliant," said Jack Horkheimer, director emeritus of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium and host of a weekly astronomy TV show.

The New Year's Eve blue moon will be visible in the United States, Canada, Europe, South America and Africa. For partygoers in Australia and Asia, the full moon does not show up until New Year's Day, making January a blue moon month for them.

However, the Eastern Hemisphere can celebrate with a partial lunar eclipse on New Year's Eve when part of the moon enters the Earth's shadow. The eclipse will not be visible in the Americas.

A full moon occurs every 29.5 days, and most years have 12. On average, an extra full moon in a month — a blue moon — occurs every 2.5 years. The last time there was a lunar double take was in May 2007. New Year's Eve blue moons are rarer, occurring every 19 years. The last time was in 1990; the next one won't come again until 2028.

Blue moons have no astronomical significance, said Greg Laughlin, an astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

"`Blue moon' is just a name in the same sense as a `hunter's moon' or a `harvest moon,'" Laughlin said in an e-mail.

The popular definition of blue moon came about after a writer for Sky & Telescope magazine in 1946 misinterpreted the Maine Farmer's Almanac and labeled a blue moon as the second full moon in a month. In fact, the almanac defined a blue moon as the third full moon in a season with four full moons, not the usual three.

Though Sky & Telescope corrected the error decades later, the definition caught on. For purists, however, this New Year's Eve full moon doesn't even qualify as a blue moon. It's just the first full moon of the winter season.

In a tongue-in-cheek essay posted on the magazine's Web site this week, senior contributing editor Kelly Beatty wrote: "If skies are clear when I'm out celebrating, I'll take a peek at that brilliant orb as it rises over the Boston skyline to see if it's an icy shade of blue. Or maybe I'll just howl."
___
On the Net:
http://www.miamisci.org/www/eventsplan.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on December 30, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
We have a  MSN spider  07:54:43 PM Viewing the topic Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts.  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't seem to find my way to the site meter!!  ::MonkeyMad:: Where did it go??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 08:10:44 PM
We have a  MSN spider  07:54:43 PM Viewing the topic Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts.  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't seem to find my way to the site meter!!  ::MonkeyMad:: Where did it go??



http://www.sitemeter.com/stats.asp?site=s20scaredmonkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 30, 2009, 08:35:56 PM
We have a  MSN spider  07:54:43 PM Viewing the topic Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts.  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't seem to find my way to the site meter!!  ::MonkeyMad:: Where did it go??

Aren't spiders just a way for google, yahoo, msn to update their search engine info?  I believe Dugga shared this with us when the forum was up and running.  In fact, the spiders count as guests.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 30, 2009, 08:58:59 PM
DH's family's trip report isn't much.   I'll give you what I have.

1. Family member's husband likes it there, the wind does mess with a golf game.  Said the food was better than other islands they'd been to.

2. Family member said it is not her favorite island.  It's ugly compared to other places she's been, but concedes being with her children and grandchildren was wonderful.  Nothing but rock & cactus away from the beaches.  Kids won a couple of beach games.

3. Went to Mass twice at Santa Anna Church in Noord.  Wooden kneelers with a piece of carpet to place on them if you wished...not air-conditioned and hot.  Went there because of the time choice for Mass.  Other members of the family did not go back the second time for Dec. 8th Holy Day....it was just too uncomfortable.

4. They were all-inclusive but mentioned that looking at the menu prices for breakfast, they knew that others were paying very high prices if not on that type of plan.  They were a party of 9 and they said it would have cost them $200 for that meal.

5. Singer at Mass was excellent.  He was recognized at the hotel a few days later by one of the kids.  He had been selling CD's after the first Mass they attended but they had left.  He offered to send them to them and he did.  He's from Long Island, NY. 

That's all folks. 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 09:01:58 PM
DH's family's trip report isn't much.   I'll give you what I have.

1. Family member's husband likes it there, the wind does mess with a golf game.  Said the food was better than other islands they'd been to.

2. Family member said it is not her favorite island.  It's ugly compared to other places she's been, but concedes being with her children and grandchildren was wonderful.  Nothing but rock & cactus away from the beaches.  Kids won a couple of beach games.

3. Went to Mass twice at Santa Anna Church in Noord.  Wooden kneelers with a piece of carpet to place on them if you wished...not air-conditioned and hot.  Went there because of the time choice for Mass.  Other members of the family did not go back the second time for Dec. 8th Holy Day....it was just too uncomfortable.

4. They were all-inclusive but mentioned that looking at the menu prices for breakfast, they knew that others were paying very high prices if not on that type of plan.  They were a party of 9 and they said it would have cost them $200 for that meal.

5. Singer at Mass was excellent.  He was recognized at the hotel a few days later by one of the kids.  He had been selling CD's after the first Mass they attended but they had left.  He offered to send them to them and he did.  He's from Long Island, NY. 

That's all folks. 


Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 30, 2009, 09:13:11 PM
We have a  MSN spider  07:54:43 PM Viewing the topic Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts.  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't seem to find my way to the site meter!!  ::MonkeyMad:: Where did it go??

Aren't spiders just a way for google, yahoo, msn to update their search engine info?  I believe Dugga shared this with us when the forum was up and running.  In fact, the spiders count as guests.

Yes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on December 30, 2009, 10:15:00 PM
Sorry for the O/T but I had to post this here in hopes "BlueMoon" would see it!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_sc/us_sci_blue_moon

Rare New Year's Eve 'blue moon' to ring in 2010

By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer – Tue Dec 29, 7:03 pm ET

LOS ANGELES – Once in a blue moon there is one on New Year's Eve. Revelers ringing in 2010 will be treated to a so-called blue moon. According to popular definition, a blue moon is the second full moon in a month. But don't expect it to be blue — the name has nothing to do with the color of our closest celestial neighbor.

A full moon occurred on Dec. 2. It will appear again on Thursday in time for the New Year's countdown.

"If you're in Times Square, you'll see the full moon right above you. It's going to be that brilliant," said Jack Horkheimer, director emeritus of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium and host of a weekly astronomy TV show.

The New Year's Eve blue moon will be visible in the United States, Canada, Europe, South America and Africa. For partygoers in Australia and Asia, the full moon does not show up until New Year's Day, making January a blue moon month for them.

However, the Eastern Hemisphere can celebrate with a partial lunar eclipse on New Year's Eve when part of the moon enters the Earth's shadow. The eclipse will not be visible in the Americas.

A full moon occurs every 29.5 days, and most years have 12. On average, an extra full moon in a month — a blue moon — occurs every 2.5 years. The last time there was a lunar double take was in May 2007. New Year's Eve blue moons are rarer, occurring every 19 years. The last time was in 1990; the next one won't come again until 2028.

Blue moons have no astronomical significance, said Greg Laughlin, an astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

"`Blue moon' is just a name in the same sense as a `hunter's moon' or a `harvest moon,'" Laughlin said in an e-mail.

The popular definition of blue moon came about after a writer for Sky & Telescope magazine in 1946 misinterpreted the Maine Farmer's Almanac and labeled a blue moon as the second full moon in a month. In fact, the almanac defined a blue moon as the third full moon in a season with four full moons, not the usual three.

Though Sky & Telescope corrected the error decades later, the definition caught on. For purists, however, this New Year's Eve full moon doesn't even qualify as a blue moon. It's just the first full moon of the winter season.

In a tongue-in-cheek essay posted on the magazine's Web site this week, senior contributing editor Kelly Beatty wrote: "If skies are clear when I'm out celebrating, I'll take a peek at that brilliant orb as it rises over the Boston skyline to see if it's an icy shade of blue. Or maybe I'll just howl."
___
On the Net:
http://www.miamisci.org/www/eventsplan.html

Yes, I read it at work today.  Seems the only thing I can read are news stories.  I am having withdrawal not being able to check in occasionally.  They really know how to make the workplace dull and boring.  I will take a look at that "Blue Moon" myself (going to Gatlinburg to ring in the New Year). 

I will take this opportunity to wish all my dear "Monkey" friends an extremely prosperous New Year to you and your family.

Here's hoping 2010 will bring Natalee home to her family.  Come on Aruba--do the right thing and give her back to her family and her country.  You know who's responsible for this tragedy.  Go get them.  Only then (maybe) will you be able to salvage your island.  No promises but try it and let's see.

I also will pray for the missing and murdered children.  Justice for all of them.   

Have a good one.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
Sorry for the O/T but I had to post this here in hopes "BlueMoon" would see it!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_sc/us_sci_blue_moon

Rare New Year's Eve 'blue moon' to ring in 2010

By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer – Tue Dec 29, 7:03 pm ET

LOS ANGELES – Once in a blue moon there is one on New Year's Eve. Revelers ringing in 2010 will be treated to a so-called blue moon. According to popular definition, a blue moon is the second full moon in a month. But don't expect it to be blue — the name has nothing to do with the color of our closest celestial neighbor.

A full moon occurred on Dec. 2. It will appear again on Thursday in time for the New Year's countdown.

"If you're in Times Square, you'll see the full moon right above you. It's going to be that brilliant," said Jack Horkheimer, director emeritus of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium and host of a weekly astronomy TV show.

The New Year's Eve blue moon will be visible in the United States, Canada, Europe, South America and Africa. For partygoers in Australia and Asia, the full moon does not show up until New Year's Day, making January a blue moon month for them.

However, the Eastern Hemisphere can celebrate with a partial lunar eclipse on New Year's Eve when part of the moon enters the Earth's shadow. The eclipse will not be visible in the Americas.

A full moon occurs every 29.5 days, and most years have 12. On average, an extra full moon in a month — a blue moon — occurs every 2.5 years. The last time there was a lunar double take was in May 2007. New Year's Eve blue moons are rarer, occurring every 19 years. The last time was in 1990; the next one won't come again until 2028.

Blue moons have no astronomical significance, said Greg Laughlin, an astronomer at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

"`Blue moon' is just a name in the same sense as a `hunter's moon' or a `harvest moon,'" Laughlin said in an e-mail.

The popular definition of blue moon came about after a writer for Sky & Telescope magazine in 1946 misinterpreted the Maine Farmer's Almanac and labeled a blue moon as the second full moon in a month. In fact, the almanac defined a blue moon as the third full moon in a season with four full moons, not the usual three.

Though Sky & Telescope corrected the error decades later, the definition caught on. For purists, however, this New Year's Eve full moon doesn't even qualify as a blue moon. It's just the first full moon of the winter season.

In a tongue-in-cheek essay posted on the magazine's Web site this week, senior contributing editor Kelly Beatty wrote: "If skies are clear when I'm out celebrating, I'll take a peek at that brilliant orb as it rises over the Boston skyline to see if it's an icy shade of blue. Or maybe I'll just howl."
___
On the Net:
http://www.miamisci.org/www/eventsplan.html

Yes, I read it at work today.  Seems the only thing I can read are news stories.  I am having withdrawal not being able to check in occasionally.  They really know how to make the workplace dull and boring.  I will take a look at that "Blue Moon" myself (going to Gatlinburg to ring in the New Year). 

I will take this opportunity to wish all my dear "Monkey" friends an extremely prosperous New Year to you and your family.

Here's hoping 2010 will bring Natalee home to her family.  Come on Aruba--do the right thing and give her back to her family and her country.  You know who's responsible for this tragedy.  Go get them.  Only then (maybe) will you be able to salvage your island.  No promises but try it and let's see.

I also will pray for the missing and murdered children.  Justice for all of them.   

Have a good one.   

Have a great trip and a great New Year's celebration Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyDance::

Quote
Here's hoping 2010 will bring Natalee home to her family.  Come on Aruba--do the right thing and give her back to her family and her country.  You know who's responsible for this tragedy.  Go get them.  Only then (maybe) will you be able to salvage your island.  No promises but try it and let's see.
::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 30, 2009, 10:39:46 PM
DH's family's trip report isn't much.   I'll give you what I have.

1. Family member's husband likes it there, the wind does mess with a golf game.  Said the food was better than other islands they'd been to.

2. Family member said it is not her favorite island.  It's ugly compared to other places she's been, but concedes being with her children and grandchildren was wonderful.  Nothing but rock & cactus away from the beaches.  Kids won a couple of beach games.

3. Went to Mass twice at Santa Anna Church in Noord.  Wooden kneelers with a piece of carpet to place on them if you wished...not air-conditioned and hot.  Went there because of the time choice for Mass.  Other members of the family did not go back the second time for Dec. 8th Holy Day....it was just too uncomfortable.

4. They were all-inclusive but mentioned that looking at the menu prices for breakfast, they knew that others were paying very high prices if not on that type of plan.  They were a party of 9 and they said it would have cost them $200 for that meal.

5. Singer at Mass was excellent.  He was recognized at the hotel a few days later by one of the kids.  He had been selling CD's after the first Mass they attended but they had left.  He offered to send them to them and he did.  He's from Long Island, NY. 

That's all folks. 


Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::

Forgot to add that the priest who said Mass was with the singer at the Marriott hotel.....not sure if it's the pastor who did not meet with Dave Holloway....but wonder about his attendance and purpose.  Just don't know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 30, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
We have a  MSN spider  07:54:43 PM Viewing the topic Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts.  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't seem to find my way to the site meter!!  ::MonkeyMad:: Where did it go??

Aren't spiders just a way for google, yahoo, msn to update their search engine info?  I believe Dugga shared this with us when the forum was up and running.  In fact, the spiders count as guests.

Yes

Thank you, Klaas.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 10:43:45 PM
http://bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=5

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12282009Bondia11c-1.jpg)

Nieto cria manera yiu:

Papiamentu translation:

grandson cria as child


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 30, 2009, 11:20:45 PM
Is it just me or do they all seem related to each other?  Croes, Tromp, Solegnier, Kock and probably Oduber too  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 30, 2009, 11:25:48 PM
Is it just me or do they all seem related to each other?  Croes, Tromp, Solegnier, Kock and probably Oduber too  ::MonkeyCool::

 Inbreeding! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on December 30, 2009, 11:54:06 PM
You know, I was going through the Clickonaruba recent albums and saw this guy that for some reason looked like he could be related to the Sloots.  Something about the eyes.  Then I thought, boy that man sure does get around  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DirtyBingo.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 30, 2009, 11:56:24 PM
http://bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=5

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12282009Bondia11c-1.jpg)

Nieto cria manera yiu:

Papiamentu translation:

grandson cria as child

From November 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.440

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MiscNews3/CarlosNicolaasCroes.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

carlos nicolaas croes cu 90 ana of life much bendiciona we carlito, we dad we father always respeta, aprecia y love

my acore go dress one dress cu much color cora because, mary owing to bisami cu they're of one family much alegra so my can t more serca din an curason cu my inspiracion formula poema here, owing to base din an same information they're hendenan cu likes laugh, happen prêt y happen good. expresa today at father god they gradicimento for din an humble curason. today they're celebra the of 90 cumpleanos din an father love carlito, father, dad, don carlos some nombernan of carino give at the caballero carlos nicolaas croes of sta. cruz, naci at aruba, his sweet lugar…pero…cu owing to emigra, take away his family at ana 1968 corsouw for go work y live together cu his estimada y beautiful wife henita y they 7 yuinan at edad much jong for today, look at bek on they recuerdonan “sweet and strong” in otrabanda or at punda, all the yuinan cu good comportacion learn stop on they same leg y follow they same curason einan they owing to live feliz for 35 anja cu de ves provided that cuando of vacacion akin owing to aruba yuinan already big y balente, cu is inspira another cu they same confidence y they form of give = mary, elda, edna, maria, dientjie, lucia y erwin= y after owing to give love y atencion also at steve cu owing to come = join owing to sweet y jolly family here as one yui y brother without bacila = recorda together so much time precioso of father god regala= cu his same confidence, father owing to inspira all yui for go catholic y resa= for so in end of week the yuinan can owing to leave dance at party much trip carlito gozando of sweet musica mariachi at corsouw after ten owing to mexico, apart from loves his lamanan blauw or hour the bring the macutonan ye of pisca y piskechi for wordo scama without mucho smak more of play domino, although the earn is saca cabes de ves provided that cuando y the is go back surprise his hendenan cu his good beis or cu one sweet chasco at anja 2003, past owing to come live bek at aruba his island natal y never forget y today the curason of yuinan y other family is reza one beautiful oracion special “pa father todopoderoso acepta the cruz din an father sue dad y the weight of his dianan in his misericordia, because is god owing to lagele arrive ten owing to the edad avansa here of 90. companjele now, hour his curpa do not obedece his self more y let do you gracia as his garoti y do you bendicion compel of his pianan…” let do you words is luz y love for his wowonan, senor” day 4 of november 1918 y 4 of november 2008 is fechanan historico in we family hour cu musica of mariachi will skeiro again in all angle of the curason complete of gladness hour cu yuinan, nietonan y bisanietonan will feel they self because; frutanan of one good simian or cu we dirigi we oracion cu firmeza y confidence, y give thanks for we father because; we guia for so much anja of life y goodness, y cu we is conforma cu locual god follow have for we y because; famil y prohimo brother, follow alaba father god cu simper owing to cuida we cu one pabien big y of curason, for we dad cu we loves, respeta y aprecia!! for we not have two father neither do don carlos neither two carlito for iguala!!! cu much love y carino, in number of all child grandson, grandson y other famil! autor: ruthy “lady ruth” vrieswijk-bergen-aruba-corsouw-aruba 4 november 2008 come across

____________________________________________________________________________

Papiamentu/Spanish Translation:

Carlos Nicolas croes Cu 90 ana of life a blessing we carlito, we dad father always we respect, appreciate and love

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 31, 2009, 12:00:15 AM
We have't had anybody doing the copy and paste duty for a while, but I see it is rampant today. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 12:10:54 AM
We have't had anybody doing the copy and paste duty for a while, but I see it is rampant today. ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh I think they slither in quite often, they're just being more obvious about it today!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 12:13:23 AM
We have't had anybody doing the copy and paste duty for a while, but I see it is rampant today. ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh I think they slither in quite often, they're just being more obvious about it today!   ::MonkeyWink::



That one didn't take long did it?!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 31, 2009, 12:18:20 AM
Is Mr. Carlos Croes the grandfather of the DJ Steve Croes of Carlos and Charlie's and Tatoo fame?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 31, 2009, 12:21:06 AM
You know, I was going through the Clickonaruba recent albums and saw this guy that for some reason looked like he could be related to the Sloots.  Something about the eyes.  Then I thought, boy that man sure does get around  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/DirtyBingo.jpg)


It is the big eye / little eye thing. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 12:22:02 AM
Is Mr. Carlos Croes the grandfather of the DJ Steve Croes of Carlos and Charlie's and Tatoo fame?

Yes, I believe so Magnolia.  If I understand correctly...grandson, but raised as a son.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 31, 2009, 12:24:24 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU LIFESONG  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on December 31, 2009, 12:26:25 AM
Is Mr. Carlos Croes the grandfather of the DJ Steve Croes of Carlos and Charlie's and Tatoo fame?

Yes, I believe so Magnolia.  If I understand correctly...grandson, but raised as a son.  


That is the one that Steve lived with...next door to the Solinger who was Simian....and kin to Aruba Girl?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 31, 2009, 12:27:50 AM
Marriott Aruba’s New Years Bash
 Cuisine, Entertainment     December 16th, 2009
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Marriott Aruba’s New Years Bash

Marriott Aruba is having a New Year’s Party with the famous local band Oreo on the Trade Winds Beach
area. There will be a champagne and a cash bar. Tickets are for sale in the lobby starting December 26,
2009 10.00 am. For more information contact Joanne Dirksz at
mhrs.auaar.fb.marketing.coordinator@marriotthotels.com or call (297) 586-9000
http://www.aruba.com/news/entertainment/marriott-arubas-new-years-bash/


Oreo is Claudius Phillips' band....fwiw


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 31, 2009, 12:31:06 AM
Aruban Resort is Closing
 Hotels     December 22nd, 2009
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The courts of Aruba declared KL Sales, Marketing and Management Company N.V, the management company of the Aruban Resort bankrupt yesterday, December 17, 2009. Two trustees have been appointed by the court to oversee the bankruptcy proceedings.

The Aruban Resort is closed down until further notice.

At this time, we advise all future guests with reservations at The Aruban Resort to reschedule their visit and contact a travel professional for alternate accommodations.

There is availability at the other resorts beginning December 31, 2010.

Aruba’s hospitality industry is always at the service of our guests, with the islands many fine properties available to reach out to displaced guests. Reservations can be booked directly through www.aruba.com

As a result of the bankruptcy status of the resort, and the fact that The Aruban is a privately-owned company, no further information on this situation is available at this time.
 
http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/the-aruban-resort-is-closing/

TM has already posted news reports about this.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 31, 2009, 12:34:20 AM
 :smt006     Hey, Lifesong....Happy Holidays....miss seeing you around here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on December 31, 2009, 12:36:46 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU LIFESONG  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you, KTF!

It's been a longer, slower recovery than I had hoped, but I have been blessed in more ways than I deserve so I will not complain.  I hope you are also well - and all of the monkeys too!

I am so heartened and encouraged to read Red's message from a month ago after talking with Beth.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock tock

Justice is coming.....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 31, 2009, 12:44:00 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU LIFESONG  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you, KTF!

It's been a longer, slower recovery than I had hoped, but I have been blessed in more ways than I deserve so I will not complain.  I hope you are also well - and all of the monkeys too!

I am so heartened and encouraged to read Red's message from a month ago after talking with Beth.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock tock

Justice is coming.....



 :smt045 ::MonkeyJustice:: :thumleft: :thumright:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on December 31, 2009, 12:49:20 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU LIFESONG  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you, KTF!

It's been a longer, slower recovery than I had hoped, but I have been blessed in more ways than I deserve so I will not complain.  I hope you are also well - and all of the monkeys too!

I am so heartened and encouraged to read Red's message from a month ago after talking with Beth.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock tock

Justice is coming.....


It's been a blessing to have you around,when possible!Prayers for continued good health,and the ultimate TICK_TOCK Timeline.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

God Bless ALL the monkey's for their untold acts of kindness,and ability to keep seeking justice in the face of much adversity...pAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK,YOU DESERVE IT!


GOOD NIGHT & GOD BLESS


KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 01:09:55 AM
Is Mr. Carlos Croes the grandfather of the DJ Steve Croes of Carlos and Charlie's and Tatoo fame?

Yes, I believe so Magnolia.  If I understand correctly...grandson, but raised as a son.  


That is the one that Steve lived with...next door to the Solinger who was Simian....and kin to Aruba Girl?

I'm not ignoring you Magnolia!

I'm not sure if I ever knew if Carlos lived next door to Rufo or not.

I've been  ::MonkeyShovel::!

Carlos N. Croes from the white pages has an address of Kas Ariba 10-A
In the beginning of the case Kas Ariba was associated with Steve.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1434.240

I haven't found Rufo's address yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 01:11:09 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU LIFESONG  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you, KTF!

It's been a longer, slower recovery than I had hoped, but I have been blessed in more ways than I deserve so I will not complain.  I hope you are also well - and all of the monkeys too!

I am so heartened and encouraged to read Red's message from a month ago after talking with Beth.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock tock

Justice is coming.....



It's great to see you Lifesong!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 01:17:26 AM
Is Mr. Carlos Croes the grandfather of the DJ Steve Croes of Carlos and Charlie's and Tatoo fame?

Yes, I believe so Magnolia.  If I understand correctly...grandson, but raised as a son.  


That is the one that Steve lived with...next door to the Solinger who was Simian....and kin to Aruba Girl?

I'm not ignoring you Magnolia!

I'm not sure if I ever knew if Carlos lived next door to Rufo or not.

I've been  ::MonkeyShovel::!

Carlos N. Croes from the white pages has an address of Kas Ariba 10-A
In the beginning of the case Kas Ariba was associated with Steve.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1434.240

I haven't found Rufo's address yet.

Rufo's wife's name is Mary...she was a Croes
Found this listing
Croes M M   
Kas Ariba 12 A


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 02:17:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on December 31, 2009, 10:49:09 AM
Happy New Year Everyone!

Happy Birthday to Dave Holloway tomorrow too!

My this be the year that we finally get justice for Natalee.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on December 31, 2009, 10:50:07 AM
Happy New Year Everyone!

Happy Birthday to Dave Holloway tomorrow too!

May this be the year that we finally get justice for Natalee.



Spell Check please...
May this be the year that we finally get justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 31, 2009, 11:27:54 AM
 ::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/364.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 02:15:13 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!

Happy Birthday to Dave Holloway tomorrow too!

My this be the year that we finally get justice for Natalee.



Happy New Year to you too Patriot!   ::MonkeySkate::

I hope Dave has a great birthday tomorrow, iirc he'll be 49.  I pray that in 2010 he and all of Natalee's loved ones will see Justice finally being served for her! 

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 31, 2009, 02:17:51 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!

  ::MonkeyAngel::

Dinner with friends at the Old Spagetti Factory ... a movie (The Blind Side) and ... then back to one of our homes.  Board games are where it is at throughout the countdown.  Real party animals ... we are.

Have fun!  Stay safe.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on December 31, 2009, 02:31:38 PM
Happy New Year Everyone!

Happy Birthday to Dave Holloway tomorrow too!

My this be the year that we finally get justice for Natalee.



Happy New Year to you too Patriot!   ::MonkeySkate::

I hope Dave has a great birthday tomorrow, iirc he'll be 49.  I pray that in 2010 he and all of Natalee's loved ones will see Justice finally being served for her! 

 ::MonkeyCool::


I didn't remember correctly,  (http://www.happy1.com.au/images/extras/happy1imagesheliumballoonhappy50thbirthday.gif)Happy Birthday Dave! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on December 31, 2009, 03:23:28 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!

  ::MonkeyAngel::

Dinner with friends at the Old Spagetti Factory ... a movie (The Blind Side) and ... then back to one of our homes.  Board games are where it is at throughout the countdown.  Real party animals ... we are.

Have fun!  Stay safe.

Janet

You'll love the movie, Janet!   ::MonkeyDance:: The book was better (isn't it always?) but the movie was really good, too!

Happy New Year, Dear Monkeys! May it surpass all your dreams and best wishes!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And may this year bring Natalee's remains home and those who harmed her, to justice!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 31, 2009, 04:24:53 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!

  ::MonkeyAngel::

Dinner with friends at the Old Spagetti Factory ... a movie (The Blind Side) and ... then back to one of our homes.  Board games are where it is at throughout the countdown.  Real party animals ... we are.

Have fun!  Stay safe.

Janet

You'll love the movie, Janet!   ::MonkeyDance:: The book was better (isn't it always?) but the movie was really good, too!

Happy New Year, Dear Monkeys! May it surpass all your dreams and best wishes!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And may this year bring Natalee's remains home and those who harmed her, to justice!

CBB ... if I like the movie ... I will get the book.  Our daughter and SIL saw the movie.  Our neighbours saw the movie.  All agreed it was a "Mom/Janet" movie.  I really wanted to see it tonight.

One of the couples who we are getting together with tonight offered to pick up the tickets for everyone in advance.  They attempted to get a consensus on the choice of movie.  Realizing that ten people were not going to agree ... I just told my friend that hubby and I did not mind being surprised.  Now my hubby claims that once again I got my own way and ... this time I did not have to open my mouth.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Happy New Year to you and yours CBB!  

Janet
1:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on December 31, 2009, 09:02:14 PM
 ::MonkeyHeart::   HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL GOOD MONKEYS ::MonkeyHeart::
May you all be safe during 2010, and I hope and pray that Justice for Natalee is just around the corner ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on December 31, 2009, 10:32:29 PM
::MonkeyHeart::   HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL GOOD MONKEYS ::MonkeyHeart::
May you all be safe during 2010, and I hope and pray that Justice for Natalee is just around the corner ::MonkeyAngel::

Hear, hear....I agree.

Happy New Year, billb & all.

Note:  Maybe that should be here, here....haha, I don't know right now.  But you all know what I meant.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Puzzler on December 31, 2009, 11:39:06 PM
Best wishes to all monkeys for a Happy New Year!

Puzzler


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Red on January 01, 2010, 12:23:09 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL AT SCARED MONKEYS!!!

2010 is a new year and a time for new developments

(http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/o/ow/owaisk_4u/1205301_year_2010.jpg)

Happy New Year 2010 … Wishing All a Happy, Safe and Joyous New Year

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/01/01/happy-new-year-2010-wishing-all-a-happy-safe-and-joyous-new-year/

I want to thank all the readers, listeners and commenters of Scared Monkeys.com, Scared Monkeys.net, MissingExploited.com, Scared Monkeys Radio and Blink on Crime. You have all made it a very truly memorable year.

Thanks to all moderators and admins that devote their time and the folks that send in the stories and to Vanderbilt for his fantastic artwork that inspires so many posts … Wising you all the best in 2010.

Could 2010 finally be the year that there is JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 12:57:18 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: HAPPY NEW YEAR MONKEYS!!!! ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

I wish you all a safe and Happy New Year!

Thanks for putting up with me!  I love you all, and hope we'll all be here together when Natalee and her family finally get the answers they deserve and see Justice!


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 04:12:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)
Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 01, 2010, 10:38:40 AM
I can't believe I am saying this again ....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

May 2010 bring Justice for Natalee and peace to her family and friends

Happy New Year to each and every one of you who will never give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 01, 2010, 11:44:00 AM

 
Dutch again summon Venezuela ambassador on comments
By Ben Berkowitz Ben Berkowitz 26 mins ago
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen on Friday denied fresh accusations by the Venezuelan government that the Netherlands is supporting U.S. spy flights over Venezuelan territory.

Verhagen condemned the comments as "inaccurate, unjust and really out of place" in a statement on Friday and said he would summon Venezuela's ambassador again to explain the remarks.

Twice in the past two weeks, the government of President Hugo Chavez has publicly claimed that the Dutch have let the U.S. military launch spy flights from bases on the territories of Aruba and Curacao under the guise of drug surveillance missions.

On December 17 Chavez said the Netherlands was planning "aggression" against Venezuela in concert with the United States, and on Thursday his government again charged the Dutch with "complicity" in such plans.

Verhagen said the Netherlands had made clear to the Venezuelan government that the civilian airports in the Dutch islands have been made available to the United States solely for unarmed drug surveillance missions.

The United States has for years had a military presence on Curacao and Aruba, with about 250 Air Force crew and ground staff involved in counter-narcotics and surveillance operations over the Caribbean region.

In its statement on Thursday, the Venezuelan government questioned whether that was their true purpose.

"The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts the installations that the Netherlands government has put at the disposition of U.S. military contingents are used in the fight against drugs," it said.

The Foreign Ministry, which summoned the Venezuelan ambassador last month, said on Friday it wanted to see the ambassador again "quickly" to clarify the new comments.

The alleged threat of U.S. intervention in the oil-producing South American nation has become a central element of Chavez's discourse and a rallying cry for his supporters.

While he is Latin America's loudest U.S. critic, foes say Chavez is hyping the idea of a foreign threat to distract Venezuelans from pressing domestic problems such as economic recession, rampant crime and inadequate public services.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Cawthorne in Caracas)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100101/pl_nm/us_venezuela_netherlands_usa_1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 12:26:37 PM
Curacao

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/31-12-09/P03.pdf

Bishop yet on Brionplein

From one of our reporters

Willemstad - Bishop Luis Secco is still there tonight the blessing to speak at the Brion Square.

Previously Secco announced that this year would not be present, because he entered on an invitation from Aruba to serve the New Year Blessings to speak.

Aruba is the five islands of the Diocese under the Antilles Willemstad.

Why Bishop yet decided on Curacao to stay is not known.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 12:44:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66893.php

Google translation:

Curacao

"FOL's not used to transport prisoners by U.S. '

December 30, 2009, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

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PHILIPSBURG / THE HAGUE - The data that the U.S. has provided under the operating agreement and own observations showed that the two military bases FOL not used for the transportation of detainees and / or prisoners.

It says the Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxime Verhagen to the permanent parliamentary committee on Foreign Affairs Second. The MPs asked if "can be excluded with certainty that the two FOLs the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in the U.S. have ever been used for the transportation of detainees and / or prisoners, thereby excluding own staff.

The minister indicates that between the Kingdom and the U.S. in implementing the underlying agreements about the nature, content and method of disclosure by the U.S. and that the Kingdom has the option to request further information.

The minister also submit to the MPs that the use of the FOL FOL's is governed by the Convention, since it questions whether it is true, "as some press articles claimed that the Government of the Netherlands Antilles may authorize the FOL for the use of aircraft and ships from the U.S., without consulting with The Hague ".

"This treaty provides under Article II to authorize the United States for access to and use of Hato International Airport in Curacao and Reina Beatrix Airport in Aruba, and designated ports and facilities, solely in connection with drugs from the air strike. Under Article IV is not a necessary statement prior diplomatic flight. "For a flight under the Convention is an abbreviated FOL process used by the aeronautical authorities of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba for obtaining permission to use the airspace of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba entry may be allowed to come and countries. All other flights such as regular exercises with the Americans and for VIP visits, the regular approval process to be followed by The Hague.

Basic Manta Ecuador
It was also asked whether it is true that the Ministry of Defense of Ecuador has made himself an investigation into the use of the Manta base, and it is shown that there is an operational agreement, which fleshes out the procedures for using the basis. "The last flight of the U.S. Drug exploration from the base Manta took place on July 17, 2009. On September 18, 2009 was the basis formally transferred to Ecuador. With that, the use of Manta by the U.S. formally ended. The Ecuadorian government has studied the use of the base. There is no operating agreement that the continued use of the basic controls. There is an agreement which regulates the procedure between the U.S. and Ecuador, where the air force, navy or coast guard of the U.S. ships under Ecuadorian flag would want to inspect. This Agreement is separate from the U.S. use of the Manta base, which has been terminated, "Verhagen said.

According to a statement by the Minister of Defense of Ecuador Ecuador in the past would not "direct control" have the information that was obtained by the flights. "The information gathered by the flights was given to a coordination center in the U.S. which also Ecuadorian liaison officer was (and is) linked. This information was available on request from the Ecuadorian authorities. Following an examination of the Ecuadorian government to the events surrounding an attack by Colombian forces on a FARC base in Ecuador by the U.S. data on all flights in that period to Ecuador made available in order to counter rumors as would Manta base in any way involved in this attack.

This past flights would be conducted with other objectives than drug control by the U.S. denied. The Ecuadorian authorities have not indicated that many flights would be carried out with no outstanding drugs would have to give Verhagen.


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66905.php

English Version

The US did not use FOL’s to transport prisoners’

30 Dec, 2009, 12:20 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD/THE HAGUE — From data provided by the US based on the operational agreement and from own observations, it appears that both military FOL-bases were not used to transport detainees and/or prisoners.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs, Maxime Verhagen informed the permanent Lower Chamber Committee for Foreign Affairs of the aforementioned. The Chamber-members had asked whether ‘it could be known for certain there was no question that the FOL’s on the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba had ever been used in the past by the US for the transport of detainees and/or prisoners, excluding own personnel members’.

The Minister indicated that agreements have been made in the underlying implementation arrangement between the Kingdom and the US on the nature, contents and manner of data transmission by the US and that the Kingdom has the possibility to require additional information.

The Minister also explained to the Chamber-members that the use of the FOL’s is regulated in the FOL-treaty, as the Chamber-members had asked if it is true, ‘as alleged in some press reports’ that the government of the Netherlands Antilles could authorize the use of the FOL for US-aircrafts and -ships without consulting with The Hague’.

“Article II of this treaty gives the US permission to enter and use Hato International Airport on Curaçao and Reina Beatrix Airport on Aruba, and the indicated harbors and facilities thereto, only in connection with aerial drug combating tasks. Based on article IV, no preceding diplomatic flight explanation is necessary.” For flights in the framework of the FOL-treaty, an abridged procedure is maintained by the aviation authorities of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba for obtaining permission to enter the airspace of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and to land. For all other flights, such as for the regular drills with the Americans and for the VIP-visits, one must follow the regular authorization procedure via The Hague.

Manta Ecuador Base
One had also wondered if it was true that the Ministry of Defense of Ecuador had personally conducted an investigation into the use of the Manta base, from which it appeared that there is yet another existing operational agreement interpreting the procedures for the use of the base. “The last drug combating reconnaissance flight of the US from the Manta Base had occurred on July 17th, 2009. The base had been conveyed officially to Ecuador on September 18th, 2009. By that, the use of Manta by the US was terminated officially. The government of Ecuador had conducted an investigation into the use of the base. There is no operational agreement that regulates the further use of the base. However, there is an agreement that regulates the procedure between the US and Ecuador, when the US Air Force, Navy or Coastguard wish to inspect ships under Ecuadorian flag. This agreement is detached from the US using the Manta base, which has meanwhile been terminated” according to Verhagen.

According to a statement from the Minister of Defense of Ecuador, Ecuador had supposedly not had any ‘direct supervision’ in the past on the information obtained by the flights. “The information collected by the flights had been forwarded to a coordination center in the US to which an Ecuadorian liaison officer had been (and is) attached. This information was available for the Ecuadorian authorities upon request. With regard to an investigation of the Ecuadorian government into the occurrences on an attack on Columbian armed forces at a FARC-base in Ecuador, the US had made all data available to Ecuador on flights during that period, in order to discourage rumors that the Manta base had supposedly been involved with this attack in any way.

The US denies that there had been flights in the past with other purposes than drug control. The Ecuadorian authorities have not indicated either that all kinds of flights had been performed which were not related to drug combating, Verhagen explains.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 01:52:50 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Curacao

http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/december/31-12-09/P03.pdf

Google translation:

Sexual abuse punished less

From one of our reporters

Willemstad - On appeal is the punishment of business leader Campo Alegre Robert de Groot
(65), with one years reduced to four years. His Colombian J.G.d.O friend got one years less cell.

Initially six years and was required in first construction imposed five years. The reduction
despite the fact that the court was not sensitive to the arguments of the defense.

The lawyer wanted De Groot The prosecutor did not admissible for use of film material webscam where a nine year old daughter of J.G.d.O. via Skype lascivious acts had to commit. The intercepted talks, according to defense evidence as unfairly used. Further would ask the defense the Criminal Intelligence Department (CID) inadequate answered.

The Court came after the treatment on December 8 to believes that the girl was abused
by both the husband and mother. Nor have both denies the abuse. Both suspects were already in November 2008 arrested.

The case came to the roles when the phone De Groot was tapped in connection with a money laundering case. It was the lust to light. The woman was in first instance and now also in an appeal as severe punishment as De Groot because she protected her daughter against sexual advances of De Groot. They showed her daughter stay with him and cared not for her physical and mental condition.

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Google translation:

Paradise FM Nieuws van donderdag 23 april
donderdag, 23 april 2009 11:54 | Bron: Bron: Paradise FM

Manager Campo hear six years to her demands

The Dutch manager of Campo Alegre, Robert de Groot, and his Colombian girlfriend JGdO both have six years to her demands heard by the Public Prosecutor. Both are suspected of sex with minors. De Groot was caught with a hidden camera, when he was kept in the eye because a money laundering case. He had sex with nine year old daughter of his girlfriend, while she is suspected of sex with a 13-year-old boy. When De Groot was arrested on child justice took his computer. That would give him even a trial in the Netherlands can provide.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2010, 02:08:07 PM
It's unbelievable apparent,from the continued newsposts from TM,that this place is a SEXUAL DEVIANTS paradise.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 02:17:27 PM
http://tinyurl.com/campoalegre

Curacao's X-Rated Resort

Story and photos by Si Liberman

Edited by Kim Rahilly

Curacao brochures and press releases trumpet the Caribbean island's location outside the hurricane belt, its 30 beaches, modern hotels, year-round 80-degree temperatures, ethnic and cultural diversity, quaint pastel downtown buildings and proximity to Venezuela.

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Spanish-English sign at the entrance to Campo Alegre in Curacao spells out who can enter and some of the rules

What they don't tell you about is the hush-hush Campo Alegre Resort, which is one of the world's largest brothels. Think Amsterdam and its swinging, legal red-light district, and you'll get the picture of this Dutch island's little secret.

Ask any crew member on the hundreds of ships that annually drop anchor in Curacao as to where his colleagues go to relax and unwind, and the privately-owned Campo Alegre (Spanish for “Camp Happiness”) will be the answer you're likely to get.

For more than 50 years, it has been a legally operated sexual oasis for wandering males and adventuresome tourists.

“Open 24 hours. Unbelievable selection of ladies, restaurant, casino, bar… government inspected,” reads an Internet website (www.crewdiscount.com), targeting cruise, airline and yacht crews.

It's a five-minute drive from the Hato International Airport, or 20 minutes from downtown Willemstad, the Netherlands' Antilles capital and commercial center.

Having disembarked from the Crystal Harmony cruise ship -- and adventurous, curiosity-seekers that we are -- my wife Dorothy and I were impressed by the jovial, beefy and seemingly knowledgeable taxi-van driver who said he's taken many a “john” there and offered us a close-up look.

You know you've arrived when a huge, green clover-leaf sign with the words, “Campo Alegre” pokes out from a seemingly desolate area off the main road. Outside the entrance, there's another welcoming sign in English and Spanish:

“For Pleasure Only.” Listed below that are some caveats, “18 Years Up,” “No Weapon” and “Parking at Your Own Risk.”

Aside from two trucks and another van, the unpaved, rock-strewn parking lot fronting the complex was empty. Two tough-looking, uniformed security men stopped us as we entered. They demanded that I put away my camera. Journalist or not, I was told, picture taking is verboten.

A request to interview the manager was denied. “She's on the phone, a long-distance call, and won't be able to talk to you today,” said the summoned security chief in perfect English.

As observers, not patrons, we opted not to pay an entrance fee -- $5 for males, $14 for females -- after learning we'd be watched by a security detail and that we wouldn't be free to talk to anyone or take pictures on the 25-acre site.

Why the admission difference? The question brought no answer – only a security officer's shrug. But Kara Barbakoff, a Florida-based public relations representative from Curacao's Department of Tourism who maintains she's not very familiar with the operation, offered this explanation:

“It's a gentleman's club, I guess, and the idea is that the guys need a place to hang out without women being around. It would get confusing if guys started hitting on women who were, in fact, customers of the bar rather than working there.”

She had been told, she said, that 10-20 percent of the brothel's patrons are tourists, depending on the season. We observed three casually dressed young men readily paying the fees after which, each was subjected to a patting down by one of the security men.

Our 42-year-old married driver, Manuel Cathalina (“everyone calls me, ‘Mingo'”), appeared to know considerably more about the resort than the PR rep:

There were 157 female prostitutes, one of the security men told him. We spotted several in tight slacks, jeans and colorful blouses walking and chatting among themselves on the grounds, which were deserted on that December morning. They looked to be in their 20s and 30s.

The place doesn't come alive until after 10:30 pm, Mingo said, when female performers take to a platform stage and begin pole-dancing and strip-tease routines. At a thatched-roof bar, large TV screens flash erotic scenes near a couple dozen slot machines and a billiard table.

Prices are usually negotiable, according to our driver, and they run anywhere from $30 to $200 or more, depending on the time and nature of the sexual services requested.

Most of the prostitutes come from Columbia and the Dominican Republic with three-month visas and legal work permits. They reside and do their thing in 40 brightly-colored, reconditioned World War II-era military barracks.

The yellow, orange, and red one-story cinderblock structures are arranged to accommodate up to 300 sex workers. Each single-story building has four-to-eight rooms. Some have miniature flower gardens outside and all have opaque curtains inside.

“The girls are supposed to be 21-to-23-years-old,” said Mingo, “but some I've seen look younger and probably lied about their age.”

They are required to undergo frequent physical examinations by a government health-department physician, he said. To help ensure against AIDS and other diseases, the prostitutes, acting as independent contractors, are expected to provide their “johns” with free condoms and insist that they be used.

“Tuesday night is ladies' night here,” Mingo said with a straight face. “The ladies can establish relationships and use all the facilities (the restaurant, the casino, the bar). “No, Campo Alegre doesn't have male prostitutes.”

As we prepared to pull out of the parking lot, we noticed the arrival of a couple more vehicles. From the road, I snapped a picture of the resort with the sea as a backdrop before heading back to Willemstad where we toured one of Curacao's historic landmarks, the Mikve-Israel Emanuel Synagogue with its sand-covered floor. It's the oldest continuously operated synagogue in the Western Hemisphere.

But that's another story.

© Story and photos by Si Liberman, 2009


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 01, 2010, 02:27:29 PM
Most of the prostitutes come from Columbia and the Dominican Republic with three-month visas and legal work permits. They reside and do their thing in 40 brightly-colored, reconditioned World War II-era military barracks.


Who really thinks they come willingly,and go willingly?? ::MonkeyMad::


Are you trying to inflict intentional emotional distress on me TM... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::CowboySmiley::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
It's unbelievable apparent,from the continued newsposts from TM,that this place is a SEXUAL DEVIANTS paradise.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes it is, KTF.  Think about it.  This man managed one of the WORLD'S largest brothels.
It's not like he didn't have his choice of a wide variety of girls to have sex with.
But he chose to have sex with the nine year old daughter of his girlfriend?
NINE YEARS OLD!   ::MonkeyMad::
It makes me sick to think what else that pervert has done, or maybe (PROBABLY IMO) even offered to some "special customers" for a "special price".

And if I understand correctly his sentence has been reduced to four years.

 

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 02:49:37 PM
Most of the prostitutes come from Columbia and the Dominican Republic with three-month visas and legal work permits. They reside and do their thing in 40 brightly-colored, reconditioned World War II-era military barracks.


Who really thinks they come willingly,and go willingly?? ::MonkeyMad::


Are you trying to inflict intentional emotional distress on me TM... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::CowboySmiley::


EXACTLY KTF!

And who knows what they've got hidden in secret rooms on that 25 acres!

Quote
Are you trying to inflict intentional emotional distress on me TM... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::CowboySmiley::
::MonkeyHaHa::
My blood pressure is off the charts right now KTF!
I knew when I read that article that I'd heard of Camp Alegre before but couldn't remember much about it.  I was already mad, and then when I started refreshing my memory...(I posted the "clean" article here  ::MonkeyWink::) I got madder by the minute!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 06:57:41 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::  This just doesn't seem right IMO!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66861.php

Victims of cargo ship buried on Curaçao

29 Dec, 2009, 07:47 (GMT -04:00)

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Miami Diver had assisted with the bringing the victims ashore yesterday. The bodies of the nine crewmembers had been severely mutilated by burns and the process of decomposition. For that reason, they had been buried immediately.

WILLEMSTAD — The bodies of the nine victims of the Greek cargo ship Aegean Wind had been in such a bad state of decomposition upon arrival in the harbor of Boca Sami that it was decided not to transport them to their native countries. The decision was made to bury the three Greek and six Philippine crewmembers here on the island.

A raging fire had occurred after an explosion in or near the dining room on the ship last week Friday. The incident had happened westerly from Isla de Margarita en route from Brazil to Houston. The Greek ship owner had decided to have the ship towed to Curaçao.

The Aegean Wind with its cargo of steel is still moored at Boca Sami in expectation of continuing its journey to Texas, by means of a tugboat, for which Kompania di Tou Kòrsou had also submitted a quotation. It was not clear yet this morning who had received the order. The cargo ship had incurred substantial damage by the fire, amongst others to the engine and the steering mechanism. However, the ship disposes of an operational generator and therefore electricity.

The Venezuelan Coastguard had also brought five casualties from the incident ashore. The remaining ten crewmembers had went ashore yesterday for checkup.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 07:08:33 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66802.php

Government to revise WasteAway-project

28 Dec, 2009, 07:26 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Minister of Infrastructure, Environment and Integration, Benny Sevinger (AVP) wants to revise the so-called WasteAway-plant in Parkietenbos. According to the Minister, the contract signed with manufacturer Bouldin & Lawson, states that Aruba may evaluate whether the technology of the waste processing plant is operating well and if the fluff is not detrimental for the environment. Aruba is using such a large-scaled facility for the first time.

“This evaluation will take place during the first week of January”, says Sevinger. According to the Minister, there is already a processing problem with the end product of the waste disposal, the so-called fluff. “The fluff was to be buried in a number of places on the island, but this was not done. We must consider whether this system is actually the best we could have chosen and if we should continue with such.”   
Sevinger currently has contacts with Dutch experts who will come up with recommendations on the future of the dump- and waste disposal on the island.

Fluff
Amigoe had heard from a spokesperson of Serlimar last October that a discussion would take place with the new government. Apparently, nothing had been done with the material in the meantime. Meanwhile, a team had experimented if and how they could produce fertilizer from the fluff. In addition, a group of American investors is supposedly interested in producing fuel from the fluff and selling this to Aruba. Jonathan Tromp, manager of the WasteAway-plant had announced at the time to have every hope for the continuance of the project. “I hope that the government will continue to finance this project, otherwise we will have to find a way to continue it.” In that, Tromp had stated that a cooperation with Ecotech would be a perfect combination.

Controversial
Right from the beginning, the WasteAway-project in Parkietenbos, had been plagued by polemics, delays and court cases. The contracting of the project to Bouldin & Lawson is controversial as well. AVP, opposition party at the time, had considered it very singular that Bouldin & Lawson had won the bid, as they had turned out at the bottom during the tender procedure for the project. Bouldin & Lawson had constructed three WasteAway-plants in Parkietenbos worth 28 million florins. Bouldin & Lawson had prematurely thrown out subcontractor Icon out of the project during construction. That had led to a number of court cases amounting to millions, causing serious delays for the project.
The waste disposal plant in Parkietenbos had become officially operational at the end of last July. At that time, one had tentatively spoken of possible expansion of the project in the long term.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 07:18:19 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  This just doesn't seem right IMO!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66861.php

Victims of cargo ship buried on Curaçao

29 Dec, 2009, 07:47 (GMT -04:00)

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Miami Diver had assisted with the bringing the victims ashore yesterday. The bodies of the nine crewmembers had been severely mutilated by burns and the process of decomposition. For that reason, they had been buried immediately.

WILLEMSTAD — The bodies of the nine victims of the Greek cargo ship Aegean Wind had been in such a bad state of decomposition upon arrival in the harbor of Boca Sami that it was decided not to transport them to their native countries. The decision was made to bury the three Greek and six Philippine crewmembers here on the island.

A raging fire had occurred after an explosion in or near the dining room on the ship last week Friday. The incident had happened westerly from Isla de Margarita en route from Brazil to Houston. The Greek ship owner had decided to have the ship towed to Curaçao.

The Aegean Wind with its cargo of steel is still moored at Boca Sami in expectation of continuing its journey to Texas, by means of a tugboat, for which Kompania di Tou Kòrsou had also submitted a quotation. It was not clear yet this morning who had received the order. The cargo ship had incurred substantial damage by the fire, amongst others to the engine and the steering mechanism. However, the ship disposes of an operational generator and therefore electricity.

The Venezuelan Coastguard had also brought five casualties from the incident ashore. The remaining ten crewmembers had went ashore yesterday for checkup.
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Disaster ship at Boca

28 Dec, 2009, 07:24 (GMT -04:00)

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The tugboats of Kompania di Tou Kòrsou (KTK) had been very busy mooring the Aegean Wind at Boca Sami this morning.

WILLEMSTAD — The Greek disaster ship Aegean Wind had moored at Boca Sami this morning. The bodies of the nine crewmembers that had died during an explosion and fire on Christmas Day had been taken ashore for transport to the country of origin.

Besides the nine casualties, five crewmembers – including a female apprentice officer – had suffered slight injuries. They had been transported to Isla de Margarita for medical treatment after the disaster.

The fire had occurred on Christmas Day when the ship had been sailing approx. 90 miles north of the Venezuelan coast past the deserted island Blanquilla. The Venezuelan Coastguard had boarded the ship and had found six casualties. Three other persons had been missing for quite a while, but had been found by the rescue party on Saturday evening. The cause of the fire is still unclear. The fire had started in the dining area and had spread over the ship as quick as lightning. Three of the victims had been from Greece and six from the Philippine Islands.

The ship had been en route from Salvador, Brazil to the seaport Houston in Texas with a load of steel. The ship, with its 24 crewmembers, belongs to the Greek ship owning company Atlantic Bulk Carriers Management Ltd. A Coastguard officer from Greece was supposedly en route to Curaçao to bring the seamen back to their native country.

The ocean tugboat London had towed the 185 meter long cargo ship to Curaçao. The KTK-tugboats Lima 2, Jaro 2 and Malena had assisted with the mooring at Boca this morning. There is a good chance that the tugboat Lima 2 will tow the Aegean Wind to Houston.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blonde on January 01, 2010, 07:22:06 PM
I can't believe I am saying this again ....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

May 2010 bring Justice for Natalee and peace to her family and friends

Happy New Year to each and every one of you who will never give up!
I know    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 01, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
I'm not sure if this was posted or not, sorry if it's a repeat!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66706.php

KLM to resume flights to Aruba as of February

22 Dec, 2009, 07:32 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Airline company KLM will be flying to Aruba again. Premier Mike Eman (AVP) announced this yesterday. “As of February, the airline company will be flying to Aruba twice a week”, Eman states. According to him, KLM-executive Peter Hartman confirmed this.

Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP), of Tourism, Transport and Labor, states that no special commitments had made to convince KLM to starting flying to Aruba again. “The only guarantee-issue amounted to all airline companies receiving equal treatment, as it should be.” Eman hopes that the number of flights will be expanded during the course of next year. “We have an additional budget for tourism from the Netherlands and Europe. We believe that this will lead to more demand and therefore more flights.” On being asked, Minister Oduber commented towards the Amigoe that only in the Netherlands, it already regards a redoubling of the current marketing budget, some 2.4 million euros.

The merging of airline company Air France with KLM in 2003 led to it becoming the largest airline company in the world with regard to turnover. After more than 70 years, KLM decided to discontinue their regular service Amsterdam-Aruba at the beginning of this year. At the time, the airline company had indicated that it incurred loss on the regular service due to a combination of factors. Former KLM-regional manager Wim Iserief had stated at the time, that the Dutch air tax, the economical crisis and the higher costs at Reina Beatrix airport had been important factors to discontinue the flights from Amsterdam to Aruba. Furthermore, the seat occupancy of the aircrafts had not been satisfactory and had been higher on Curaçao. The last KLM-flight had been on March 29th of this year. Daughter Company Martinair had subsequently increased their number of flights to ‘fill the gap’.

One of the reasons indicated by the KLM to discontinue their flights to Aruba had been the ticket taxation. The latter had been discontinued in the meantime. The Netherlands had decided in July 2008 to introduce the aircraft tax, the so-called ticket tax or flight tax. Passengers traveling to destinations further than 2500 kilometers from the Netherlands had had to pay an additional tax of 45 euros on top of their ticket. Dutch airports (especially Schiphol) and traveling organizations had strongly opposed the flight tax. The latter had been abolished a year later, on July 1st, 2009.


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Post by: Tibrogargan on January 01, 2010, 08:51:55 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  This just doesn't seem right IMO!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66861.php

Victims of cargo ship buried on Curaçao

29 Dec, 2009, 07:47 (GMT -04:00)

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Miami Diver had assisted with the bringing the victims ashore yesterday. The bodies of the nine crewmembers had been severely mutilated by burns and the process of decomposition. For that reason, they had been buried immediately.

WILLEMSTAD — The bodies of the nine victims of the Greek cargo ship Aegean Wind had been in such a bad state of decomposition upon arrival in the harbor of Boca Sami that it was decided not to transport them to their native countries. The decision was made to bury the three Greek and six Philippine crewmembers here on the island.

A raging fire had occurred after an explosion in or near the dining room on the ship last week Friday. The incident had happened westerly from Isla de Margarita en route from Brazil to Houston. The Greek ship owner had decided to have the ship towed to Curaçao.

The Aegean Wind with its cargo of steel is still moored at Boca Sami in expectation of continuing its journey to Texas, by means of a tugboat, for which Kompania di Tou Kòrsou had also submitted a quotation. It was not clear yet this morning who had received the order. The cargo ship had incurred substantial damage by the fire, amongst others to the engine and the steering mechanism. However, the ship disposes of an operational generator and therefore electricity.

The Venezuelan Coastguard had also brought five casualties from the incident ashore. The remaining ten crewmembers had went ashore yesterday for checkup.
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Disaster ship at Boca

28 Dec, 2009, 07:24 (GMT -04:00)

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The tugboats of Kompania di Tou Kòrsou (KTK) had been very busy mooring the Aegean Wind at Boca Sami this morning.

WILLEMSTAD — The Greek disaster ship Aegean Wind had moored at Boca Sami this morning. The bodies of the nine crewmembers that had died during an explosion and fire on Christmas Day had been taken ashore for transport to the country of origin.

Besides the nine casualties, five crewmembers – including a female apprentice officer – had suffered slight injuries. They had been transported to Isla de Margarita for medical treatment after the disaster.

The fire had occurred on Christmas Day when the ship had been sailing approx. 90 miles north of the Venezuelan coast past the deserted island Blanquilla. The Venezuelan Coastguard had boarded the ship and had found six casualties. Three other persons had been missing for quite a while, but had been found by the rescue party on Saturday evening. The cause of the fire is still unclear. The fire had started in the dining area and had spread over the ship as quick as lightning. Three of the victims had been from Greece and six from the Philippine Islands.

The ship had been en route from Salvador, Brazil to the seaport Houston in Texas with a load of steel. The ship, with its 24 crewmembers, belongs to the Greek ship owning company Atlantic Bulk Carriers Management Ltd. A Coastguard officer from Greece was supposedly en route to Curaçao to bring the seamen back to their native country.

The ocean tugboat London had towed the 185 meter long cargo ship to Curaçao. The KTK-tugboats Lima 2, Jaro 2 and Malena had assisted with the mooring at Boca this morning. There is a good chance that the tugboat Lima 2 will tow the Aegean Wind to Houston.


They could have cremated the bodies and returned their ashes to their native countries.  I am sure they have loved ones at home who would have preferred to have something rather than knowing they will always be so far away.


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Post by: billb's daughter on January 01, 2010, 10:36:19 PM
This is so sad...but it is a theme seen over and over again.....
They only think of themselves...never the victims or their families...
The easiest path is the culture.... ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: billb's daughter on January 01, 2010, 10:37:35 PM
::MonkeyShocked::  This just doesn't seem right IMO!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66861.php

Victims of cargo ship buried on Curaçao

29 Dec, 2009, 07:47 (GMT -04:00)

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Miami Diver had assisted with the bringing the victims ashore yesterday. The bodies of the nine crewmembers had been severely mutilated by burns and the process of decomposition. For that reason, they had been buried immediately.

WILLEMSTAD — The bodies of the nine victims of the Greek cargo ship Aegean Wind had been in such a bad state of decomposition upon arrival in the harbor of Boca Sami that it was decided not to transport them to their native countries. The decision was made to bury the three Greek and six Philippine crewmembers here on the island.

A raging fire had occurred after an explosion in or near the dining room on the ship last week Friday. The incident had happened westerly from Isla de Margarita en route from Brazil to Houston. The Greek ship owner had decided to have the ship towed to Curaçao.

The Aegean Wind with its cargo of steel is still moored at Boca Sami in expectation of continuing its journey to Texas, by means of a tugboat, for which Kompania di Tou Kòrsou had also submitted a quotation. It was not clear yet this morning who had received the order. The cargo ship had incurred substantial damage by the fire, amongst others to the engine and the steering mechanism. However, the ship disposes of an operational generator and therefore electricity.

The Venezuelan Coastguard had also brought five casualties from the incident ashore. The remaining ten crewmembers had went ashore yesterday for checkup.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66800.php

Disaster ship at Boca

28 Dec, 2009, 07:24 (GMT -04:00)

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The tugboats of Kompania di Tou Kòrsou (KTK) had been very busy mooring the Aegean Wind at Boca Sami this morning.

WILLEMSTAD — The Greek disaster ship Aegean Wind had moored at Boca Sami this morning. The bodies of the nine crewmembers that had died during an explosion and fire on Christmas Day had been taken ashore for transport to the country of origin.

Besides the nine casualties, five crewmembers – including a female apprentice officer – had suffered slight injuries. They had been transported to Isla de Margarita for medical treatment after the disaster.

The fire had occurred on Christmas Day when the ship had been sailing approx. 90 miles north of the Venezuelan coast past the deserted island Blanquilla. The Venezuelan Coastguard had boarded the ship and had found six casualties. Three other persons had been missing for quite a while, but had been found by the rescue party on Saturday evening. The cause of the fire is still unclear. The fire had started in the dining area and had spread over the ship as quick as lightning. Three of the victims had been from Greece and six from the Philippine Islands.

The ship had been en route from Salvador, Brazil to the seaport Houston in Texas with a load of steel. The ship, with its 24 crewmembers, belongs to the Greek ship owning company Atlantic Bulk Carriers Management Ltd. A Coastguard officer from Greece was supposedly en route to Curaçao to bring the seamen back to their native country.

The ocean tugboat London had towed the 185 meter long cargo ship to Curaçao. The KTK-tugboats Lima 2, Jaro 2 and Malena had assisted with the mooring at Boca this morning. There is a good chance that the tugboat Lima 2 will tow the Aegean Wind to Houston.


They could have cremated the bodies and returned their ashes to their native countries.  I am sure they have loved ones at home who would have preferred to have something rather than knowing they will always be so far away.
This is so sad...but it is a theme seen over and over again.....
They only think of themselves...never the victims or their families...
The easiest path is the culture....  ::MonkeyMad::


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Post by: Magnolia on January 01, 2010, 10:46:38 PM
Happy New Year  

I just heard a little blurb that Beth will be on Birmingham CBS 42's Morning Show on Monday.

I don't know what it is all about, but when I hear more, will let you all know.


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Post by: Mere on January 01, 2010, 11:03:03 PM
Good Evening Night Crew and Happy New Year - 2010 - to all who read here.

I am also one who thought, back in 2005, that Natalee would be found quickly...or that
the police would have the answers within weeks....after all, it is a small island.  Who knew???

TxMom....thanks for the continuing source of news.


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Post by: San on January 01, 2010, 11:20:13 PM
Happy New Year  

I just heard a little blurb that Beth will be on Birmingham CBS 42's Morning Show on Monday.

I don't know what it is all about, but when I hear more, will let you all know.

Thanks Magnolia.


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 01:29:24 AM
::MonkeyShocked::  This just doesn't seem right IMO!

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66861.php

Victims of cargo ship buried on Curaçao

29 Dec, 2009, 07:47 (GMT -04:00)

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Miami Diver had assisted with the bringing the victims ashore yesterday. The bodies of the nine crewmembers had been severely mutilated by burns and the process of decomposition. For that reason, they had been buried immediately.

WILLEMSTAD — The bodies of the nine victims of the Greek cargo ship Aegean Wind had been in such a bad state of decomposition upon arrival in the harbor of Boca Sami that it was decided not to transport them to their native countries. The decision was made to bury the three Greek and six Philippine crewmembers here on the island.

A raging fire had occurred after an explosion in or near the dining room on the ship last week Friday. The incident had happened westerly from Isla de Margarita en route from Brazil to Houston. The Greek ship owner had decided to have the ship towed to Curaçao.

The Aegean Wind with its cargo of steel is still moored at Boca Sami in expectation of continuing its journey to Texas, by means of a tugboat, for which Kompania di Tou Kòrsou had also submitted a quotation. It was not clear yet this morning who had received the order. The cargo ship had incurred substantial damage by the fire, amongst others to the engine and the steering mechanism. However, the ship disposes of an operational generator and therefore electricity.

The Venezuelan Coastguard had also brought five casualties from the incident ashore. The remaining ten crewmembers had went ashore yesterday for checkup.
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Disaster ship at Boca

28 Dec, 2009, 07:24 (GMT -04:00)

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The tugboats of Kompania di Tou Kòrsou (KTK) had been very busy mooring the Aegean Wind at Boca Sami this morning.

WILLEMSTAD — The Greek disaster ship Aegean Wind had moored at Boca Sami this morning. The bodies of the nine crewmembers that had died during an explosion and fire on Christmas Day had been taken ashore for transport to the country of origin.

Besides the nine casualties, five crewmembers – including a female apprentice officer – had suffered slight injuries. They had been transported to Isla de Margarita for medical treatment after the disaster.

The fire had occurred on Christmas Day when the ship had been sailing approx. 90 miles north of the Venezuelan coast past the deserted island Blanquilla. The Venezuelan Coastguard had boarded the ship and had found six casualties. Three other persons had been missing for quite a while, but had been found by the rescue party on Saturday evening. The cause of the fire is still unclear. The fire had started in the dining area and had spread over the ship as quick as lightning. Three of the victims had been from Greece and six from the Philippine Islands.

The ship had been en route from Salvador, Brazil to the seaport Houston in Texas with a load of steel. The ship, with its 24 crewmembers, belongs to the Greek ship owning company Atlantic Bulk Carriers Management Ltd. A Coastguard officer from Greece was supposedly en route to Curaçao to bring the seamen back to their native country.

The ocean tugboat London had towed the 185 meter long cargo ship to Curaçao. The KTK-tugboats Lima 2, Jaro 2 and Malena had assisted with the mooring at Boca this morning. There is a good chance that the tugboat Lima 2 will tow the Aegean Wind to Houston.


They could have cremated the bodies and returned their ashes to their native countries.  I am sure they have loved ones at home who would have preferred to have something rather than knowing they will always be so far away.

I agree Tibro.  I think the crew members that died and their families deserved better than this.  JMO   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

http://www.abcml.com/fleet_uk.htm

18 ships are listed in their fleet.  IMO it would seem that when over 1/3 (9 of 24) of their crew died in a disaster like this on one of their ships, they would have made arrangements to immediately recover the bodies!  The articles I've read indicate that they still don't know what caused the explosion/fire or the exact cause of death of any of the deceased.  Now they'll never know for certain the causes of death.  Will there be an investigation into the cause of the fire?

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/nine-killed-in-cargo-ship-blaze-1989376.html

Nine killed in cargo ship blaze

Friday December 25 2009

A Greek-owned freighter caught fire in the Caribbean off Venezuela's coast on Christmas Day, killing nine crew members and injuring five others, Venezuelan authorities said.

The Aegean Wind was carrying more than 37,000 tons of iron ore from Brazil to Houston when a blaze broke out in the mess hall before dawn on Friday, according to the vessel's owner, Piraeus-based Atlantic Bulk Carrier Management Ltd.

The cargo ship was about 100 miles north of Venezuela at the time, and about 34 miles from Margarita Island.

Venezuelan navy Admiral Carlos Maximo Aniasi Turchio said nine crew members who had been listed as unaccounted for were dead. Six were from the Philippines and the other three were from Greece, he said.

"We don't know if they died from asphyxiation or burns, but the (ship's) commander has confirmed to us that they did die," Aniasi Turchio told Venezuelan state television.

He said five injured crew members were taken by helicopter to Margarita Island and were to be transferred later to a military hospital in the capital, Caracas. One was in "delicate condition" from severe burns, Aniasi Turchio told the state-run Venezolana de Television.

Aniasi Turchio said the fire had been extinguished and 10 crew members, including the captain, were to be evacuated shortly.

Atlantic Bulk Carrier Management spokeswoman Elise Goonen said the crew members were in the mess hall when the fire started.

"We have no news of them yet," Goonen said before Aniasi Turchio announced that the nine were dead.

Rafael Lugo, commander of Venezuela's maritime support and rescue agency, told Telesur news network that the fire began in the engine room and spread to the cabins. It was not immediately possible to reconcile the conflicting information on where the fire broke out, and its cause was not known.

Press Association

http://www.abcml.com/mariners_uk.htm

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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 01:34:52 AM
This is so sad...but it is a theme seen over and over again.....
They only think of themselves...never the victims or their families...
The easiest path is the culture.... ::MonkeyMad::

Yes it is sad, but true billb!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 01:35:38 AM
Happy New Year  

I just heard a little blurb that Beth will be on Birmingham CBS 42's Morning Show on Monday.

I don't know what it is all about, but when I hear more, will let you all know.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 02:34:33 AM
Good Evening Night Crew and Happy New Year - 2010 - to all who read here.

I am also one who thought, back in 2005, that Natalee would be found quickly...or that
the police would have the answers within weeks....after all, it is a small island.  Who knew???


TxMom....thanks for the continuing source of news.

Me too Mere!

But then I think what if no one had seen Natalee in the J2K death taxi?  What if Beth, Jug, Dave, and so many other including the MSM hadn't shown up in Aruba demanding answers?  How would the disappearance of Natalee have been resolved?  I can only imagine after all I've seen and read in the last four and a half years. 

And Joran would have more than likely been bound for the USA...

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: :smt066

P. S.  You're welcome!   :smt052


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 03:03:23 AM
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Truth and Justice for Natalee!


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 02, 2010, 11:39:52 AM
 ::lookie::

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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 01:41:34 PM
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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 05:34:12 PM

 
Dutch again summon Venezuela ambassador on comments
By Ben Berkowitz Ben Berkowitz 26 mins ago
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen on Friday denied fresh accusations by the Venezuelan government that the Netherlands is supporting U.S. spy flights over Venezuelan territory.

Verhagen condemned the comments as "inaccurate, unjust and really out of place" in a statement on Friday and said he would summon Venezuela's ambassador again to explain the remarks.

Twice in the past two weeks, the government of President Hugo Chavez has publicly claimed that the Dutch have let the U.S. military launch spy flights from bases on the territories of Aruba and Curacao under the guise of drug surveillance missions.

On December 17 Chavez said the Netherlands was planning "aggression" against Venezuela in concert with the United States, and on Thursday his government again charged the Dutch with "complicity" in such plans.

Verhagen said the Netherlands had made clear to the Venezuelan government that the civilian airports in the Dutch islands have been made available to the United States solely for unarmed drug surveillance missions.

The United States has for years had a military presence on Curacao and Aruba, with about 250 Air Force crew and ground staff involved in counter-narcotics and surveillance operations over the Caribbean region.

In its statement on Thursday, the Venezuelan government questioned whether that was their true purpose.

"The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts the installations that the Netherlands government has put at the disposition of U.S. military contingents are used in the fight against drugs," it said.

The Foreign Ministry, which summoned the Venezuelan ambassador last month, said on Friday it wanted to see the ambassador again "quickly" to clarify the new comments.

The alleged threat of U.S. intervention in the oil-producing South American nation has become a central element of Chavez's discourse and a rallying cry for his supporters.

While he is Latin America's loudest U.S. critic, foes say Chavez is hyping the idea of a foreign threat to distract Venezuelans from pressing domestic problems such as economic recession, rampant crime and inadequate public services.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Cawthorne in Caracas)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100101/pl_nm/us_venezuela_netherlands_usa_1

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66939.php

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Verhagen: Venezuela false allegation

January 2, 2010, 12:24 (GMT -04:00)

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DEN HAAG - "New allegations of Venezuela, Curacao and Aruba by the United States used to attack the country to prepare, are incorrect, unfounded and really out of place." Says Minister Maxime Verhagen (Foreign Affairs) .

He wants the Venezuelan ambassador in the Netherlands next week again will give a full explanation on the statements of President Chávez.

Chávez on Thursday again claimed that the Netherlands by American spy planes allows Hato and from the airport Reina Beatrix. "The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts that plants that the Dutch government has made available to the U.S. military used in the fight against drugs", it said in its statement. The Venezuelan ambassador also noted the last time that the Americans are only concerned with combating drug trafficking.

In his statement, however, Chavez stressed again that the United States to use the Netherlands Antilles to Venezuela for an attack to prepare. Verhagen dismissed the allegations of Chávez yesterday of the hand. "The allegations are false and unsubstantiated. Netherlands let its territory be used for aggression and seeks good relations with Venezuela after, "Verhagen said. He wants quick clarification on the words of Chávez.

A spokesman for a U.S. Army division in Miami, Stephen Lucas, the U.S. military denies violating Venezuelan airspace and other motifs are present in Aruba and Curaçao. "It is unfortunate that the Venezuelan government has chosen to cooperate in the anti-drug measures to reduce the threat because of the smuggling is for all nations in the region," he said. "Our operations on the islands of Curacao and Aruba are therefore only focus on drugs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics in Venezuela."

At the climate summit in Copenhagen last December, Chavez said in a speech to leftist organizations that the United States with the consent of Aruba and Curacao Netherlands 'to the teeth' arm.

The leftist president, U.S. troops in preparation for a possible invasion of Venezuela intelligence officers, war ships and spy planes transferred to Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire.

Chávez claimed that the three islands in the territorial waters of Venezuela lie.

Chavez appealed to the European Union to help prevent an armed conflict. He said that the Netherlands is a member of the European Union and that he therefore wants to know how Brussels think about the issue.


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Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 05:39:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66944.php

Google translation:

"In 2010, without considering future refinery '

January 2, 2010, 12:33 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - In his New Year speech, Governor Fredis Refunjol attention to the environment, youth and the economic situation. About the latter he says that Aruba in 2010 "serious" should consider a future without refinery.

In the speech, the governor compared with its garden and the process of planting and care.

The garden, which sixty years ago by his parents is formed, has great value, he says, and makes him realize that while an area of responsibility to take good care of the trees and plants, animals and the environment. "I therefore call on citizens in the new year as responsible to deal with the piece on Aruba where you live. Do this for your children and theirs. Because Aruba is not only you, but it is also home to many future generations. "On the youth says Refunjol mainly concerned about the large amount of early school leavers. "The impact of these dropouts, young people without supervision and without social inclusion, will be visible in the long term. Often when it is too late. "The governor argues for a robust social structures and led to good people as 'roots' to build and develop spirit can be.

The oil refinery in San Nicolas compares the governor in his New Year speech with manure. "Too much manure acts like poison." The refinery is for him a long time great help to the economy. "Many say that over all these years in refining our garden has caused significant damage to our environment. It seems inevitable that in 2010 we should seriously consider a possible future without refinery. "

Crisis
The governor also has it in his speech about the 'difficult' times had. As plants can not be given too much water in dry times, because they are therefore less defensible, so must the people not to depend on the government to prepare, so Refunjol. "We should not too quickly call on the government so that the valve move. In difficult times, we own up to our best. In this way we lay the foundation for future growth. "

Refunjol took the change of government. He compares it to the gardener who supports him.

"Every gardener has his opinion and his priorities, but always with heart and love for the garden". Similarly, every judge and government priorities, the governor said, "is not always bad or less good". Refunjol also calls attention to agriculture and to get a young Aruban businessman who started his land kasbouw. Finally warned the governor to the road users especially with drink to drive. "Aruba has already lost far too many children because of unsafe traffic."

Positive
Also premier Mike Eman (AVP) has been on the radio speech. He thanked the police who in other 'difficult' days has become stricter with the work that has occurred to preserve the security. Despite the difficult economic times, said Eman yet hope for the future. All example he mentioned the tax cuts which give people more purchasing power to obtain. The investment in alternative energy, which will drop even more next year, citizens must ultimately be felt in their wallets. The Prime Minister also welcomed the new relationship with the Netherlands, which he already has positive effects. As an example, KLM Eman returning next year.


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Post by: Magnolia on January 02, 2010, 06:34:51 PM

This is from the CBS 42 Birmingham website.  Beth will be talking about strip mining.
I will try to get up in the middle of the night to see what she has to say and if there is any news about Natalee.

Monday On Wake Up
Surface mining threatens the picturesque Smith Lake community. Monday on Wake Up,Beth Holloway and Marty Roberson join us to discuss the far reaching impact. Plus: a special visit from Shelby County's Junior Miss Laura Lantrip. that's Monday at 5 AM.  Video


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 02, 2010, 07:41:39 PM

This is from the CBS 42 Birmingham website.  Beth will be talking about strip mining.
I will try to get up in the middle of the night to see what she has to say and if there is any news about Natalee.

Monday On Wake Up
Surface mining threatens the picturesque Smith Lake community. Monday on Wake Up,Beth Holloway and Marty Roberson join us to discuss the far reaching impact. Plus: a special visit from Shelby County's Junior Miss Laura Lantrip. that's Monday at 5 AM.  Video


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 02, 2010, 11:24:41 PM

This is from the CBS 42 Birmingham website.  Beth will be talking about strip mining.
I will try to get up in the middle of the night to see what she has to say and if there is any news about Natalee.

Monday On Wake Up
Surface mining threatens the picturesque Smith Lake community. Monday on Wake Up,Beth Holloway and Marty Roberson join us to discuss the far reaching impact. Plus: a special visit from Shelby County's Junior Miss Laura Lantrip. that's Monday at 5 AM.  Video


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Ditto!

Hi TM!

 ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 12:28:50 AM

This is from the CBS 42 Birmingham website.  Beth will be talking about strip mining.
I will try to get up in the middle of the night to see what she has to say and if there is any news about Natalee.

Monday On Wake Up
Surface mining threatens the picturesque Smith Lake community. Monday on Wake Up,Beth Holloway and Marty Roberson join us to discuss the far reaching impact. Plus: a special visit from Shelby County's Junior Miss Laura Lantrip. that's Monday at 5 AM.  Video


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeySkate::

Ditto!

Hi TM!

 ::HelloKitty::


Hi Sis!   :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 12:30:42 AM
I posted the Amigoe article about this earlier, this one is a little different.

http://www.rnw.nl/nl/caribiana/article/militairen-voelen-zich-onveilig-op-aruba

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Google translation:

Soldiers feel unsafe in Aruba

Published: December 18, 2009 - 2:34 pm | by Editor Caribiana

Families of Dutch soldiers in Aruba feel increasingly unsafe by the surge in crime on the island. Two years back was the commander of the marines base Savaneta raised the alarm, but security of Defense have so far been forthcoming. Marine Staff begins Aruba therefore avoid.

The rising number of burglaries in Aruba. One in three Marines houses has been visited by thieves. The military in Aruba want Defense to 51 houses, of alarms and motion sensors, which attackers remotely to keep. Sergeant Charles Meier is concerned about the safety of his family when he was on exercise. "That leaves the other half behind."

An alarm system gives more feeling of security, because the thieves are deterred and the neighbors are alerted. In Meier's nothing happened, but a colleague has already broken three times. "How nice you're term (period of Aruba, ed) then?" But for the Sergeant still feel happy on the island.

Safety Sense
Rob Hunnego, president of union KVMO, understands that the security, which in Curacao a few years ago, have not been implemented in Aruba: "The feeling of safety in Aruba was much higher." He says that insecurity is not the only reason is that the enthusiasm of the soldiers for Aruba decreases. Other reasons are that final examinations conducted on Aruba in the Netherlands no longer valid and that the allowances were reduced.

The trade unionist hopes that Defense now on Aruba will take additional action. "I'll go from there." But it takes too long, because the issue is the union in 2007 raised. "We are finished with writing reports. The houses should be provided with appropriate security."

The commander of the navy in the Caribbean has shown understanding for the position of KVMO: "He recognizes the problem." But it is a cost of 200,000 euros and that decision must be taken in The Hague. "I am hopeful that it will happen," says Hunnego.


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Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 04:39:10 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14933/8/

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Papiamentu translation:

conocido comerciante nel harms deteni

friday, 01 january 2010 - 22:00

the conocido comerciante nel harms of 81 anja of edad owing to stay deteni tonight sospecha of owing to strike a cu car cu consequencia fateful. polisnan owing to achieve informacion of the number of car cu will owing to strike the person, that will was crusando caminda. click read more for more detayes.

polisnan owing to detene the comerciante, hibe hospitaal for take sample of blood for check if the is below ; influencia of alcohol, because ela tell of not can blow for motibo cu ela cabi haci one \"by pass\". after polisnan owing to return cu the comerciante at hospitaal for lage confronta the curpa without life of the victima. famianan of the comerciante owing to tell cu the do not good of salud y cu apparently elo owing to become bad hour cu ela strike he. investigacion will have to demostra if the comerciante was conciente hour of the desgracia or not. famianan of the victima at hospitaal owing to tell cu the comerciante will owing to strike they being keri coriendo duro y owing to bay lage throw near of caminda as nothing not owing to sosode. even they're insisti cu the impacto was so strong cu the cadena of the victima owing to being achieve in the car. after of the proof of blood polisnan will dicidi if the comerciante will wordo encarcela or not.

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written by gilda kelly, january 02, 2010

at previous to lugar one good anja. my memory is fallando??esaki do not the nelharms cu enough anja happen owing to kill one senjora on self one caminda of ponton. history is ripiti??


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Papiamentu translation:

comerciante nel harms deteni y let in freedom

saturday, 02 january 2010 - 16:38

the conocido comerciante nel harms of 81 anja of edad owing to stay deteni after of the desgracia cu did take lugar at height of bow bow restaurant cu consequencia fateful. is resulta cu the self was the person cu owing to strike the peaton (pedestrian) cu car y after follow core bay lage behind. click read more for more info.

do not first times cu the same comerciante here owing to arrive of haye in one desgracia fateful on the same caminda here. look like cu the was at home of one primo y owing to admiti at police cu ela strike two whisky but not cu the was sober. berdad ela feel cu ela strike in algo but after of the impacto the do not corda nothing more.

mature is cu harms was on caminda of ponton direccion oranjestad y not owing to see the peaton (pedestrian) is crusa caya. ela dal'e cu his car, windshield owing to break y he owing to bay cay on one distancia enough far for of where the impacto did take lugar. the impacto was so strong cu even the cadena of the victima owing to bay cay in car of comerciante. ela tell polisnan cu after cu ela ripara cu ela strike in algo ela forget all cos, but if ela corda con for arrive his cas at once.

is casa of the victima cu was sit in car is keep his casa crusa caya for cumpra algo of drink in the restaurant, owing to give polisnan descripcion of the car cu owing to strike his being keri fatalmente one rato first. more after famianan of nel harms self owing to calling for tell cu the was envolvi in one desgracia because his car had much sla on dje, mark of blood, etc.

polisnan owing to bay his cas y owing to detene at once. of acuerdo cu ley, y because; cu the self owing to admiti of owing to strike drinks, owing to pidie for blow but ela splica autoridadnan cu the not can because ela haci "by pass" y is abide of curason. the hour owing to opta for take his blood, but the proceso ey is last at least two week for achieve contesta debi cu the is bay till the netherlands. after of owing to end of leave for of hospitaal for take test of blood, the comerciante not owing to feel his curpa child good y have to owing to return hospitaal for one chekeo medico. ey owing to deduci cu berdad his salud is fragil.

fiscal owing to dicidi the hour cu the do not stay encarcela y can owing to bay his cas. will follow cu the investigacion y wait for on the proof of blood cu will have to come bek for of the netherlands. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01022010_24ora_NelHarms_2.jpg)

Many photos at the links above.

Scene of the accident/victim photos here: 

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2359&offId=0&offDate=2010-1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 05:21:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 03, 2010, 08:59:24 AM
At least these people have the balls to post the truth about their 'paradise islands'

Bloody year for Caribbean Islands
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577454

35 females lost to crime in 2009
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577458


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2010, 10:44:31 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/2.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2010, 10:48:58 AM
At least these people have the balls to post the truth about their 'paradise islands'

Bloody year for Caribbean Islands
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577454

35 females lost to crime in 2009
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577458

Thanks, Nut....   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 12:38:28 PM
At least these people have the balls to post the truth about their 'paradise islands'

Bloody year for Caribbean Islands
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577454

35 females lost to crime in 2009
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577458

Ain't that the truth!  Thanks Nut!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 12:39:48 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/2.zoom3.jpg)


 ::CowboySmiley::  Thanks 2NJ! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: caesu on January 05, 2009, 01:31:09 PM
Quote
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1894172/brinkman-bedreigd-met-in-elkaar-slaan.html
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/4295478/Parlementair-overleg-Aruba-opgeschort.ece

meetings suspended.

because Aruban prime-minister and other ministers refused to give speeches.
Rudy Croes is on 'family visit' to the USA.
Croes: "I am not absent because of Brinkman but he deserves to be punched in the head".
Aruban chief of protocol Eric Brete also threatened to hit Brinkman.

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-aruba-voor_002.gif)

(http://www.parool.nl/static/FOTO/pe/3/15/1/media_xl_60841.jpg)

http://www.parool.nl/static/FOTO/pe/3/15/1/media_xl_60841.jpg

I don't think I've ever seen this one!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfAYDiwvmSM

Strike Aruba Friday April 18 2008
Coordinator of Prime Minister being silly..aka Eric Brete.
Welga Aruba, brete contra SDA.
Category:  News & Politics
Tags:  strike  welga  aruba  SDA  chef  protocol

http://www.youtube.com/v/NfAYDiwvmSM&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Hope you've drank some coffee TM... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel::

http://www.diario.aw/2009/09/cumpleanos-di-diamars-8-september-2009/

Birthdays di Diamars 8 September 2009
Publication: Diamars, 8 September 2009. Category: Birthday

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/01__adrian_brete__-150x150.jpg)

Original text:

Ayera a cumply su 21 Aña e Prins di cas Adrian Brete hopi pabien ta bini di su Mama Nancy,su Tata Eric,su ruman Stacy,su wela Anne y Omo Bob na Merca, y su chick Chupy ,y tambe di tur su amigo y amiganan. Adrian cu Señor Dios drama su bendicion grandemente riba bo pa bo por cumply hopi aña mas di bida den compania di bo familia y amigonan. Un biaha mas Arian hopi pabien.

Papiamentu translation:

yesterday owing to cumply his 21 year the prins of cas adrian brete much pabien is come of his mother nancy,su father eric,su brother stacy,su grandmother anne y uncle bob at merca, y his chick chupy come across,y also of all his amigo y amiganan. adrian cu sir god drama his bendicion grandemente on do you for could you cumply much year more of life in compania of you familia y amigonan. once more arian much pabien.

http://tripreports.visitaruba.com/dynamic/servlet/ReportDetails?CAT_ID=29&ARTICLE_ID=458

Bati Bleki
Travel dates not disclosed
Submitted on Monday, June 28, 2004 by: rona coster

snip
THE SKY LOUNGE, NOW OPEN. The sky lounge now serves Chocolate martinis overlooking the sprawling fields of tall and silent cactus rolling down from the hills of Cashero to the Andicuri beach. With the hazy moon rising high in the sky, it is magical as the landscape shrouds itself in dark mystery. The home of Chris Smith, in Cashero, just got another upgrade besides the Sky Lounge. Green Forest & Blue Sea supplied the design and the pavers for the garden, also the carved totem poles creating an enchanting bohemian home for the TNT representative here. Friends gathered Saturday night to congratulate him on his Home Improvements, also to celebrate Stacy BreteÂ’s birthday, 20, also Carina Molina & Glenda Tomasia, both 40, Sandy Springs, undisclosed & Sue Gnecco, 38; Incidentally, Sue had just discovered Karate, and loves it. DJ Adrian Brete, played 4/40s hits which prompted the ladies tanked on Chocolate martinis to dance, uninhibited, on the new walkway, under the stars. Is a low carb version of that toxic beverage available?   

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Couldn't help but think of the mysterious AB?

Could the age have been wrong?  I think he's a year younger than Joran.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_23_archive.html

4.25.2006
 
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/GetagripCA/Aruba/4-25-2006-casoNH.jpg)

Geoffrey set free Monday
Another youngster interrogated 6 hours
DIARIO Aruba
4/25/2006

snip

Last Saturday, the 22nd of April 2006, police detained a male by the initials of A.B. of 20 years of age, related to the disappearance of N. Holloway. After 6 hours of interrogation, the young A.B. was set free.

snip

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 4/25/2006 11:08:00 AM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 01:46:05 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel::

http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Anna-Pope-87091733

Adrian's grandmother from New Jersey.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2010, 01:47:08 PM
::MonkeyShovel::

http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Anna-Pope-87091733

Adrian's grandmother from New Jersey.

 ::MonkeyShovel::  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Hope you've drank some coffee TM... ::MonkeyTongue::

Still drinkin' and diggin'!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2010, 01:59:58 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Hope you've drank some coffee TM... ::MonkeyTongue::

Still drinkin' and diggin'!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeySkate::

 ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Say hello to my little friend the iphone.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 04:41:43 PM
Say hello to my little friend the iphone.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyDevil:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 06:16:55 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel::    
 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp
 

· Close · Aruba, January 3rd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 9 AUGUST 1991 under serial number 12034.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
SANE DEVELOPMENT
 
Business address   PONTON 90, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   SANE DEVELOPMENT
Date of commencement   8 SEPTEMBER 1991
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 OCTOBER 1994
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

BRETE, ERIC ANTHONY;
Born in   ARUBA on 2 FEBRUARY 1951
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   9 AUGUST 1991
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

WATERSPORTACTIVITEITEN, VERKOOP VAN TOURS, SOUVENIRARTIKELEN, WATERSPORTARTIKELEN ALSMEDE REPARATIE EN ONDERHOUD VAN BOTEN EN DE VERHUUR VAN FILM EN VIDEO CAMERA'S O.A. VOOR ONDERWATERFOTOGRAFIE, E.E.A. UIT TE OEFENEN AAN DE PIER TEN NOORDEN VAN HOLIDAY INN AAN DE PALM BEACH.

Google translation:

A. THE OPERATION OF ONE OR MORE PLEASURE YACHTS;

B. TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VESSELS OF - AND WATER SPORTS ACTIVITIES, SALES OF TOURS, souvenirs, watersports, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF BOATS AND THE RENTAL OF FILM AND VIDEO CAMERAS OA UNDER WATER PHOTOGRAPHY E.E.A. TO PRACTICE TO THE NORTH OF PIER AT THE HOLIDAY INN AT PALM BEACH.
 
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 Close · Aruba, January 3rd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 APRIL 1993 under serial number 15080.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
SANE DEVELOPMENT N.V.
 
Business address   PONTON 88, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   SANE DEVELOPMENT N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   16 APRIL 1993
    
Authorized capital   US DOLLAR 230,000.00
Issued capital   US DOLLAR 46,000.00
Paid up capital   US DOLLAR 46,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

BRETE-POPE, NANCY CAROL;
Born in   U.S.A., PHILADELPHIA, PE on 14 AUGUST 1954
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   16 APRIL 1993
Authority   FULL
 
BRETE, ERIC ANTHONY;
Born in   ARUBA on 2 FEBRUARY 1951
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   9 JUNE 1999
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A.   HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN OF MEER PLEZIERJACHTEN;

B.   HET GEVEN VAN GELEGENHEID TOT HET BEOEFENEN VAN - ALSMEDE HET GEVEN VAN LESSEN OP HET GEBIED VAN - SCUBA-DIVING EN ANDERE WATERSPORT;

C.   DE KLEINHANDEL IN SOUVENIRARTIKELEN;

D.   HET VERHUREN VAN WATERSPORTBENODIGDHEDEN;

E.   HET BEMIDDELEN BIJ HET ORGANISEREN VAN EXCURSIES TE LAND;

Google translation:

A. THE OPERATION OF ONE OR MORE PLEASURE YACHTS;

B. TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VESSELS OF - AND TAKE LESSONS IN - SCUBA DIVING AND OTHER SPORTS;

C. IN THE RETAIL SOUVENIRS;

D. THE HIRING OF WATER SUPPLIES;

E. MEDIATION IN THE ORGANIZING LAND EXCURSIONS;

_____________________________________________________________________________

http://www.arubayp.com/classpage/1/2/3/4/mcid-5321/yellowsearch.html

Sane Development NV

      Ponton 90   587-7722   
         
   


      Ponton 88   582-5520


ARUBA KAYAK ADVENTURES

      Ponton 88 O’Stad   582-5520         of   583-8000   
         
   


      Facsimile   587-7722

http://www.arubawavedancer.com/arubaprodive/

Aruba Pro Dive
Ponton 90
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Tel: (297) 582-5520
Fax: (297) 587-7722
E-mail:
dive@arubaprodive.com


http://www.arubawavedancer.com/wavedancer/


Wave Dancer Cruises
Ponton 90
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Tel: (297) 582-5520
Fax: (297) 587-7722
E-mail:
cruise@arubawavedancer.com

http://www.arubawavedancer.com/arubakayak/


Aruba Kayak Adventures
Ponton 90
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Tel: (297) 582-5520
Fax: (297) 587-7722
E-mail:
paddle@arubakayak.com



 

 


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http://whois.jcsearch.com/?q=arubaprodive.com

arubaprodive.com Whois Result
Domain Name.......... arubaprodive.com
Creation Date........ 2000-07-11
Registration Date.... 2002-06-14
Expiry Date.......... 2010-07-11
Organisation Name.... Sane Development N.V.
Organisation Address. Ponton 88
Organisation Address. _
Organisation Address. Oranjestad
Organisation Address. n/a
Organisation Address. n/a
Organisation Address. ARUBA

Admin Name........... Domain Administration CaribMedia
Admin Address........ P.O. Box 663
Admin Address........ Oranjestad
Admin Address........ AW
Admin Address........ n/a
Admin Address........ n/a
Admin Address........ ARUBA
Admin Email.......... domains@C.....
Admin Phone.......... (297) 834144
Admin Fax............ (297) 826102

Tech Name............ Domain Administrator
Tech Address......... PO Box 3895
Tech Address......... _
Tech Address......... Englewood
Tech Address......... 80155
Tech Address......... CO
Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
Tech Email........... hostmaster@s.....
Tech Phone........... +180.14370220
Tech Fax............. _
Name Server.......... NS1.SECURE.NET
Name Server.......... NS2.SECURE.NET

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https://caribmed.securesites.com/guestbook/guests98.html

ERIC ANTHONY BRETE
SANEWORLD1@SETARNET.AW
22 Dec 1997
04:09:21

From WAVE DANCER charters and ARUBA PRO DIVE If you want to have a great time,diving or sailing and snorkling. Great W.P, keep up the good work we here in aruba need it.

THANK YOU

E.A.BRETE
-----------------------------------------------
E.A.Brete
saneworld1@setarnet.aw
17 Mar 1998
19:22:07

Our wishes are,that one day the whole world wil come to Aruba,but not everybody at the same time.

Thank you

The Sane Gang

______________________________________________________________________________

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/17/actually-aruba-truth-gets-its-wrong/

Members of the Strategic Communications Task Force

Mr. Olindo Koolman (Senior Advisor)
Mr. Jaap Beaujon (Advisor)
Mr. Serge Mansur (ATIA)
Mr. Greg Peterson (ATIA)
Mr. Jorge Pesquera (AHATA)
Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
Mr. Ruben Trappenberg (Aruba Government)
Mr. Eric Brete (Aruba Government)





 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 03, 2010, 09:31:00 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel:: :smt115 :smt023 ::MonkeyKiss2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 03, 2010, 11:15:00 PM
I think we should chip in and get TM a bulldozer for all the diggin she does...God Bless TM for giving those who have no voice,a VOICE!Through thick & thin..God Bless

 
::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 03, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
I think we should chip in and get TM a bulldozer for all the diggin she does...God Bless TM for giving those who have no voice,a VOICE!Through thick & thin..God Bless

 
::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley::

Thanks KTF!  That's really nice of you!   ::CowboySmiley::

But I'm just one of many Monkeys with a shovel both here and behind the scenes, and together we can move more dirt and uncover a lot of things with our little shovels that a big bulldozer might miss! ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeySkate::

All working together for a common goal.... ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 01:34:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2010, 09:37:46 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/3.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 04, 2010, 10:45:34 AM
::MonkeyShovel::

http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Anna-Pope-87091733

Adrian's grandmother from New Jersey.

Thanks for all the digging you do, TxMom!!

This is just one of those silly little things that my mind retains for whatever odd reason....

Wasn't there a family that knew the vd sloots, but now lived in the States?  They had some retail store or other?

Were they in New Jersey?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 04, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
Here is everything I have in my notes on anyone named Brete


Aruba Airport Authority
Managing Director: J Ringeling +297 Ext 275
Operations Director: M Boekhoudt +297 Ext 162
Finance Manager: N Quant-Giel +297 Ext 140
Passenger Manager: J Benschop +297 Ext 100
Air Traffic Controller: Dept of Civil Aviation +297 8 32665
Public Relations Manager: R Brete  +297 Ext 168
Security Manager: J Benschop +297 8 583 2665
Operator: Aruba Airport Authority N.V.
http://www.azworldairports.com/airports/p1300aua.htm


2005 MEP Election Committee

http://www.arubachamber.com/ComisionBonBoluntad.htm

COMISION BON BOLUNTAD ta un initiativa di gremionan comercial y sindical - den cuadro di nan responsabilidad civico - pa duna aporte na e proceso electoral y e sistema democratico arubano. E comision tabata activo durante e eleccionnan pa miembro di Parlamento na aña 1994, 1997 y 2001. Na april 2005 e comision a worde re-activa en conexión cu proximo eleccion, oficialmente stipula pa dia 23 di september 2005. E comision ta consisti di siete miembro y ta traha a base voluntario. Na final lo tene un evaluacion di e campaña electoral 2005.

aim of the comision:

*for give one contribucion at one campaña electoral clean, transparente y of level halto;

*garantiza oportunidad equal for cada faction politico;

*evita actonan of violencia, destruccion or cu is stroba faction politico of
funciona.

tarea of the comision:

* stipula reglanan of conducta for her period of campaña;

* monitor the campaña electoral y colecta datos financiero of the campaña;

*close one econvenio voluntario cu the partidonan politico cu will participa at eleccion day 23 of september 2005;

*deal kehonan tocante the reglanan of conducta y the campaña electoral provided that general;

*sanciona violacionnan of the convenio voluntario by denuncia publico;

*publica one evaluacion of the proceso electoral y the relato financiero of campaña.

Members of Commission:


Dunador di trabao Ebby Arends – presidente di CBB
Lisette Malmberg – suplente


Sindicato: Jose Giron
Sixto Vrolijk – suplente

Enseñanza: Lydia Emerencia – vice presidente
Angelo Brete – suplente  


Clero: Pader J. v/d Lee
Pader S. Tomasik – suplente


Cuerpo Policial: Jeannette Richardson
Jan v/d Straten – suplente


Secretario: Lorraine de Souza


Erik Brete's position for the Strategic Communications Task Force Steering Committee - developed June 2, 2005



Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:

Myrna Jansen, chairperson ..... Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson ..... Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson ... Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos ................................. Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon ............................. Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk ........................... Department of Foreign Affairs
Frits Israel ................................. Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco ................... Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith ................................... Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members :
Greg Peterson ............................. Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman .......................... Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol ........................... Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne .......................... Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes ................................ Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson ................................... Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete .................................... Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister  
Henry Baarh ............................... Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather .................. Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron ....................... Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg ................. Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants:
Helen Bautista ........................... Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal ............................ Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn .......................... Quinn and Co.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2010, 11:45:53 AM
::MonkeyShovel::

http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Anna-Pope-87091733

Adrian's grandmother from New Jersey.

Thanks for all the digging you do, TxMom!!

This is just one of those silly little things that my mind retains for whatever odd reason....

Wasn't there a family that knew the vd sloots, but now lived in the States?  They had some retail store or other?

Were they in New Jersey?

Hmmmm.....is this the family that has a daughter that Anita or Joran mentioned as a girlfriend....her parents later were interviewed and declared Paulus as having contacted them & being a close friend?   I was thinking NC or VA....was looking for the article but haven't found it, yet.  Hopefully someone else will have better luck and better details....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 04, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
Here is a link to Beth's appearance on TV this morning. 
The subject was strip mining around smith Lake in north Alabama
Natalee was not mentioned.
Video in the top right corner.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Stop-Smith-Lake-Strip-Mining/5L4l6-8C20GC7SEijENhrA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 04, 2010, 01:13:02 PM
::MonkeyShovel::

http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Anna-Pope-87091733

Adrian's grandmother from New Jersey.

Thanks for all the digging you do, TxMom!!

This is just one of those silly little things that my mind retains for whatever odd reason....

Wasn't there a family that knew the vd sloots, but now lived in the States?  They had some retail store or other?

Were they in New Jersey?

Hmmmm.....is this the family that has a daughter that Anita or Joran mentioned as a girlfriend....her parents later were interviewed and declared Paulus as having contacted them & being a close friend?   I was thinking NC or VA....was looking for the article but haven't found it, yet.  Hopefully someone else will have better luck and better details....

I think it was NC.  The woman that the National Enquier interviewed.


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Post by: jen3560 on January 04, 2010, 03:45:37 PM
::MonkeyShovel::

http://myfox8.tributes.com/show/Anna-Pope-87091733

Adrian's grandmother from New Jersey.

Thanks for all the digging you do, TxMom!!

This is just one of those silly little things that my mind retains for whatever odd reason....

Wasn't there a family that knew the vd sloots, but now lived in the States?  They had some retail store or other?

Were they in New Jersey?

Hmmmm.....is this the family that has a daughter that Anita or Joran mentioned as a girlfriend....her parents later were interviewed and declared Paulus as having contacted them & being a close friend?   I was thinking NC or VA....was looking for the article but haven't found it, yet.  Hopefully someone else will have better luck and better details....

I think it was NC.  The woman that the National Enquier interviewed.

Yep, you're both right.  That one was in NC


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63315
By DON GENTILE

Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot confessed to his father that he dumped Natalee Holloway's body in shark-infested waters after she accidentally hit her head and drowned in a drug-induced stupor on an Aruban beach.

This stunning new theory from inside the police investigation of the missing teen emerged as her grief-stricken relatives came to terms with the fact that Natalee was not going to be found alive — or possibly not found at all — because the man-eating sharks may have left nothing behind.

"Her family has come to believe that she's not with us anymore. That's just realistic," said Natalee's step-uncle Steve Parten, a Florida minister.

Natalee, from Birmingham, Ala., was last seen around 1 am on May 30 leaving Carlos 'n Charlies, a local nightclub, with 17-year-old Joran and his buddies Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother Deepak, 21. It was the last night of Natalee's high school graduation trip with her classmates.

For the first time, police are investigating information from several sources that a panic-stricken Joran confessed to his father Paulus that Natalee died accidentally and that he fed her body to the sharks.

Two of those sources are Jim Dooley, a South Carolina job recruiter for the health care industry, and his wife, Bella.

In an exclusive interview, the Dooleys said they contacted the FBI after learning of Joran's confession to his dad during a shopping trip to a clothing store in Charlotte, N.C. The date was June 11, just a few days after Aruba police had arrested Joran and the Kalpoe brothers as "persons of interest" in the case.

Dooley said the clerk at the clothing store told him that she and her husband are very good friends with Joran's dad, Paulus van der Sloot, and his wife, Anita. Her own son had attended school with Joran on the island and was a close pal.

The clerk told Dooley: "Joran told his father that he and Natalee had all been drinking and taking drugs at the nightclub. The father specifically mentioned they took Ecstasy. Joran told his father that when they left the club, they went to a beach on the island. Natalee was very ill and threw up several times.

"Then she fell and hit her head on something. Joran checked her and realized she was dead.

"Joran and others discussed an appropriate place to dump Natalee's body, a specific place where someone would disappear forever... a spot on the island where the waters are shark-infested."

Arubans know the shark-feeding spot very well and directed a National Enquirer reporter to its location on the rugged north coast of the island, where the ocean pounds the rocks and few people live.

The water there is deep and murky and sits beneath a high cliff, far away from the beautiful beaches and posh hotel casinos on the island's southern side.

A meatpacking plant once occupied the site. Workers there would discard meat cuttings into the ocean. The sharks would quickly gather and go into a feeding frenzy. To this day, dead animals are dumped into the waters at the shark site for the sake of tourism.

The clerk continued: "Paulus van der Sloot is very worried. This was an accidental death but his son is likely to end up going to jail because it looks like he was covering up a murder.

"But Paulus admitted telling his son that if a body wasn't found, there could be a chance he'd get out of jail."

According to another source close to the case, Robert Werner, headmaster of the International School of Aruba, where Joran attended classes, also said that Paulus van der Sloot admitted to him his son confessed that Natalee died accidentally in a fall on a beach.

The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."

Paulus van der Sloot was arrested himself on June 23, a week after the Dooleys reported their conversation with the clerk to the FBI. He was later released but he could be rearrested, said Aruban authorities. He did admit talking to his son about Natalee's disappearance, saying he advised him in general terms that without a body there may be no way to prove a crime was committed.

The Kalpoe brothers were also released. But they, too, could be rearrested, Aruban authorities said. At the time of going to press, Joran remained behind bars. His family maintains his innocence.


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Post by: jen3560 on January 04, 2010, 03:49:03 PM
LOL, but I knew there was SOMETHING about New Jersey  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Aruba investigation comes to N.J.

Mother and daughter come to Van der Sloot's defense
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8963420/
 
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CADMUS, Cathy - On 8-22 Cathy Cadmus (Shelby Cadmus’s mother) told “FoxNews” that they believe Principal Suspect J. Sloot is completely innocent. Cadmus said that her family and the Suspects Sloot’s family became friends around 2001, and during the month of August of 2002 Principal Suspect J. Sloot stayed with them in NJ and went to a camp with Shelby. She described the two teens as becoming “very close,” and admitted that they allowed the 15 year olds to drink. Cadmus said the families are still friends and staying in close contact during the investigation.


CADMUS, Shelby – 16 year old that came to the defense of Joran.  Said that she and Joran were intimate and that he was such a gentleman when staying with them, in NJ
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=204.0



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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 05:47:47 PM
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66962.php


Ship victims flown home after all

2 Jan, 2010, 07:43 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — Contrary to what the authorities had announced earlier, the nine victims from the fire on board the cargo ship Aegean Wind, were flown home after all. It regarded three Greek and six Philippine crewmembers. They will now be buried in their own country.

After the Greek cargo ship had arrived at Curaçao at the beginning of the week to, amongst others, debark the nine mortal remains, a chartered aircraft had arrived last Thursday. The aircraft had flown back to Europe the same day to fly from Greece to Manila on the Philippine Islands.

There had been a huge explosion near the dining room followed by a fierce blaze on Christmas Day just west of Isla de Margarita on the ship owned by Atlantic Bulk Carriers. Nine crewmembers had died and five had been injured.

The ship was en route from the Brazilian seaport Salvador to Houston, Texas with a bulk cargo of steel.


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 05:52:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66959.php

In 10 years: five MP fired because of drug smuggling

2 Jan, 2010, 07:41 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD/THE HAGUE — Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (Justice) states that five co-workers of the Royal Military Police at Schiphol have been fired due to their involvement with drug smuggling since 1999. For that matter, there is no specific registration of drug smuggling cases involving governmental personnel.

Also on behalf of the Minister of Defense, Maxime Verhagen and State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations), the Minister answered questions from Leerdam and Heerts on involvement of a co-worker from the MP at Schiphol regarding cocaine smuggling from St. Maarten in October and November last year. Two drug routes had been rolled up between the Netherlands and the Antilles at the time. According to Hirsch Ballin, “there is a question of unrelated incidents”.

The Chamber-members ask whether the Minister is prepared to take actions to guarantee a more strict supervision. Hirsch Ballin states that the number of incidents is considered too meager, but that these have nevertheless lead to re-consideration of procedures and measures already implemented. “Monitoring the procedures is a continual process.”

Hirsch Ballin did not wish to elaborate on the question how many drugs had been smuggled from the Netherlands Antilles with the help of the MP co-workers at Schiphol in question. “No comments can be made on this matter as the criminal investigation has not been finalized yet and the case has not been handled by the judge yet.”

The Minister could not give an estimation of the number of drug routes between the Netherlands and the Antilles. “In view of the secrecy obviously involved with drug smuggling, it is not possible to give an overall picture of the number of drug routes between the Netherlands and the Antilles. The quantity of drugs smuggled into the Netherlands from the Antilles is not known either.”


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2010, 05:59:26 PM
Jen3560,

Thanks for the NC and NJ articles.  It's all coming back to me, now.    ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 06:01:40 PM

 
Dutch again summon Venezuela ambassador on comments
By Ben Berkowitz Ben Berkowitz 26 mins ago
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen on Friday denied fresh accusations by the Venezuelan government that the Netherlands is supporting U.S. spy flights over Venezuelan territory.

Verhagen condemned the comments as "inaccurate, unjust and really out of place" in a statement on Friday and said he would summon Venezuela's ambassador again to explain the remarks.

Twice in the past two weeks, the government of President Hugo Chavez has publicly claimed that the Dutch have let the U.S. military launch spy flights from bases on the territories of Aruba and Curacao under the guise of drug surveillance missions.

On December 17 Chavez said the Netherlands was planning "aggression" against Venezuela in concert with the United States, and on Thursday his government again charged the Dutch with "complicity" in such plans.

Verhagen said the Netherlands had made clear to the Venezuelan government that the civilian airports in the Dutch islands have been made available to the United States solely for unarmed drug surveillance missions.

The United States has for years had a military presence on Curacao and Aruba, with about 250 Air Force crew and ground staff involved in counter-narcotics and surveillance operations over the Caribbean region.

In its statement on Thursday, the Venezuelan government questioned whether that was their true purpose.

"The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts the installations that the Netherlands government has put at the disposition of U.S. military contingents are used in the fight against drugs," it said.

The Foreign Ministry, which summoned the Venezuelan ambassador last month, said on Friday it wanted to see the ambassador again "quickly" to clarify the new comments.

The alleged threat of U.S. intervention in the oil-producing South American nation has become a central element of Chavez's discourse and a rallying cry for his supporters.

While he is Latin America's loudest U.S. critic, foes say Chavez is hyping the idea of a foreign threat to distract Venezuelans from pressing domestic problems such as economic recession, rampant crime and inadequate public services.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Cawthorne in Caracas)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100101/pl_nm/us_venezuela_netherlands_usa_1

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66939.php

Google translation:

Verhagen: Venezuela false allegation

January 2, 2010, 12:24 (GMT -04:00)

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DEN HAAG - "New allegations of Venezuela, Curacao and Aruba by the United States used to attack the country to prepare, are incorrect, unfounded and really out of place." Says Minister Maxime Verhagen (Foreign Affairs) .

He wants the Venezuelan ambassador in the Netherlands next week again will give a full explanation on the statements of President Chávez.

Chávez on Thursday again claimed that the Netherlands by American spy planes allows Hato and from the airport Reina Beatrix. "The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts that plants that the Dutch government has made available to the U.S. military used in the fight against drugs", it said in its statement. The Venezuelan ambassador also noted the last time that the Americans are only concerned with combating drug trafficking.

In his statement, however, Chavez stressed again that the United States to use the Netherlands Antilles to Venezuela for an attack to prepare. Verhagen dismissed the allegations of Chávez yesterday of the hand. "The allegations are false and unsubstantiated. Netherlands let its territory be used for aggression and seeks good relations with Venezuela after, "Verhagen said. He wants quick clarification on the words of Chávez.

A spokesman for a U.S. Army division in Miami, Stephen Lucas, the U.S. military denies violating Venezuelan airspace and other motifs are present in Aruba and Curaçao. "It is unfortunate that the Venezuelan government has chosen to cooperate in the anti-drug measures to reduce the threat because of the smuggling is for all nations in the region," he said. "Our operations on the islands of Curacao and Aruba are therefore only focus on drugs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics in Venezuela."

At the climate summit in Copenhagen last December, Chavez said in a speech to leftist organizations that the United States with the consent of Aruba and Curacao Netherlands 'to the teeth' arm.

The leftist president, U.S. troops in preparation for a possible invasion of Venezuela intelligence officers, war ships and spy planes transferred to Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire.

Chávez claimed that the three islands in the territorial waters of Venezuela lie.

Chavez appealed to the European Union to help prevent an armed conflict. He said that the Netherlands is a member of the European Union and that he therefore wants to know how Brussels think about the issue.

English version of the Amigoe article:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66956.php

Verhagen: Accusation Venezuela incorrect

2 Jan, 2010, 07:38 (GMT -04:00)

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THE HAGUE — “The new accusations from Venezuela that Curaçao and Aruba are being used by the United States to prepare an attack on the country, are incorrect, groundless and totally unfounded”. Minister Maxime Verhagen (Foreign Affairs) states the aforementioned.

He wants the Venezuelan ambassador in the Netherlands to give chapter and verse on the statements of president Chávez once again during the course of next week. Chávez had repeated his accusation last Thursday that the Netherlands had enabled espionage flights by the United States from the Hato and Reina Beatrix airports. His statement mentioned that, “the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts that the installations provided by the Dutch government to the American army could be used in drug combating”. The Venezuelan ambassador had already been informed the last time that the Americans had only dealt with combating drug smuggling.

However, in his statement, Chávez underlined once again that the United States are using the Netherlands Antilles to prepare an attack on Venezuela. Verhagen had strongly refuted the accusations from Chávez yesterday. “The accusations are incorrect and groundless. The Netherlands does not allow its territory to be used for aggression and strives for good relations with Venezuela” according to Verhagen. He requests prompt clarity on the words spoken by Chávez.

A spokesperson from an American army detachment in Miami, Stephen Lucas, also denies that American soldiers had violated the Venezuelan airspace and were present on Aruba and Curaçao for other motives. “It is regrettable that the Venezuelan government has chosen to reduce their cooperation in the anti-drug actions as the smuggling threat applies for all nations in the region”, he said. “Our operations on the islands Curaçao and Aruba are therefore only targeted towards drugs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics in Venezuela.”

In a speech for left-winged organizations during the climate summit in Copenhagen last December, Chávez stated that the United States were arming Aruba and Curaçao ‘to the teeth’ with the approval of the Netherlands.

According to the socialist President, the American soldiers had transported intelligence officers, warships and espionage aircrafts to Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire in preparation for a possible invasion of Venezuela.

Chávez had stated that the three islands were located in the territorial waters of Venezuela.

Chávez had called on the European Union to help prevent an armed conflict. He stated that the Netherlands is a member of the European Union and that’s why he would appreciate to know Brussels’ point of view on the matter.


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 06:06:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66955.php

Curacao

Dramatic call from Dindial: ‘This country must not be lost’

2 Jan, 2010, 07:37 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — “Believe me: this country will not be lost. This country must not be lost either.” In her New Year’s speech, Lieutenant Governor Lisa Dindial dramatically calls on the citizens to keep Curaçao livable. “For a change, I will not address you today in my capacity as Lieutenant Governor, but as local head of the police,” says Dindial.

“I could have used many nice words in this speech, wishing everyone a prosperous 2010. However, these nice words would evaporate into thin air just like all other nice words, which you have already heard these days. Nice words are of no avail. We have reached the stage where we, as community, should realize that we cannot continue like this. We should realize that there will be others who will handle our affairs, if we cannot manage them ourselves.”

Domestic violence
In her New Year’s speech, the Lieutenant Governor focused the attention on the large number of domestic violence cases, which the police have to solve on a daily basis. “Couples who assault each other, fathers and mothers who fight, fathers who assault children, children who assault their mother, brothers and sisters who fight, neighbors’ quarrels”, she recites the problems. “Just imagine: calling the police in order to sort things out again in your home.”
The Lieutenant Governor cites an incident that was heard on the police radio during Christmas: “Rude, ill-bred children threaten to set fire to their parents’ house.” Unfortunately, this was not the only time the police had to answer domestic violence calls during Christmas. “The police had received thousands of telephone calls regarding domestic violence during the course of last year. They receive hundreds of such calls per month, dozens per day.” According to the Lieutenant Governor, there are days, when the police are only dealing with cases related to domestic violence.

What’s this?
Dindial indicates that, not only do the police not have any time for other cases the frequency also indicates which problems our society is coping with. “As a society, preparing for the country Curaçao,” Dindial asks everyone this question: ‘What is this?’ ‘Kiko esaki ta’ – in the text, written with capital letters. “We must realize that our island must be ready, before Curaçao becomes a country. In view of the many problems in our society, there is not doubt about the lack of putting one’s affairs in order, and it is not only the lack of such at home, that forms a problem. There is also a lack of setting things right on the streets, at school, on the shop floor. An entire country is actually without order, if one’s affairs are not in order in any of these areas.”

Dindial draws the citizen’s attention to its own responsibility. “It’s easy to say that the government should bring order, the police should put their affairs in order, and the Lieutenant Governor is responsible for such, but where do you stand as citizen? Are you behaving correctly, are you doing something to come up with a society without crime? Do you live according to the rules? What are you doing to build your country?”

 


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 06:15:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66944.php

Google translation:

"In 2010, without considering future refinery '

January 2, 2010, 12:33 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - In his New Year speech, Governor Fredis Refunjol attention to the environment, youth and the economic situation. About the latter he says that Aruba in 2010 "serious" should consider a future without refinery.

In the speech, the governor compared with its garden and the process of planting and care.

The garden, which sixty years ago by his parents is formed, has great value, he says, and makes him realize that while an area of responsibility to take good care of the trees and plants, animals and the environment. "I therefore call on citizens in the new year as responsible to deal with the piece on Aruba where you live. Do this for your children and theirs. Because Aruba is not only you, but it is also home to many future generations. "On the youth says Refunjol mainly concerned about the large amount of early school leavers. "The impact of these dropouts, young people without supervision and without social inclusion, will be visible in the long term. Often when it is too late. "The governor argues for a robust social structures and led to good people as 'roots' to build and develop spirit can be.

The oil refinery in San Nicolas compares the governor in his New Year speech with manure. "Too much manure acts like poison." The refinery is for him a long time great help to the economy. "Many say that over all these years in refining our garden has caused significant damage to our environment. It seems inevitable that in 2010 we should seriously consider a possible future without refinery. "

Crisis
The governor also has it in his speech about the 'difficult' times had. As plants can not be given too much water in dry times, because they are therefore less defensible, so must the people not to depend on the government to prepare, so Refunjol. "We should not too quickly call on the government so that the valve move. In difficult times, we own up to our best. In this way we lay the foundation for future growth. "

Refunjol took the change of government. He compares it to the gardener who supports him.

"Every gardener has his opinion and his priorities, but always with heart and love for the garden". Similarly, every judge and government priorities, the governor said, "is not always bad or less good". Refunjol also calls attention to agriculture and to get a young Aruban businessman who started his land kasbouw. Finally warned the governor to the road users especially with drink to drive. "Aruba has already lost far too many children because of unsafe traffic."

Positive
Also premier Mike Eman (AVP) has been on the radio speech. He thanked the police who in other 'difficult' days has become stricter with the work that has occurred to preserve the security. Despite the difficult economic times, said Eman yet hope for the future. All example he mentioned the tax cuts which give people more purchasing power to obtain. The investment in alternative energy, which will drop even more next year, citizens must ultimately be felt in their wallets. The Prime Minister also welcomed the new relationship with the Netherlands, which he already has positive effects. As an example, KLM Eman returning next year.

English version:

2010: think about future without refinery’

2 Jan, 2010, 07:36 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — In his New Year’s speech, Governor Fredis Refunjol requested attention for the environment, the youth and the economical situation. Regarding the latter, he states that Aruba should ‘seriously’ start considering in 2010 on a future without refinery.

In his speech, the Governor draws a comparison with his garden and the process of planting and care. The garden, which had been laid out by his parents sixty years ago, has much value he says, and simultaneously makes him realize that it is also a responsible field to continue to care for the trees and plants, animals and the environment. “I therefore call on citizens to also be responsible for the small piece of Aruba on which they live, and to do so for their children and theirs, because Aruba does not only belong to you, but it will also be the home base of many future generations.” Regarding the youth, Refunjol states that he is especially concerned about the considerable number of premature school dropouts. “The consequences of these dropouts, youngsters without counseling and without social integration, will become visible in the long-term, and often when it is already too late.” Therefore, the Governor pleads for sturdy social structures and a well-educated population as ‘roots’ to count on and being efficient.

In his New Year’s speech, the Governor compares the oil-refinery in San Nicolas with manure. “Too much manure works as poison.” According to him, the refinery has been a substantial economical support for a long time. “Many state that the refinery has inflicted substantial damage to the environment on our island during all those years. It therefore appears inevitable that in 2010, we must seriously consider a possible future without refinery.”

Crisis
In his speech, the Governor also talked about the ‘difficult’ times. For example, just as plants should not be watered too much during the dry season, as they would otherwise become less resistant, thus the population should not become too dependent on the government, according to Refunjol. “We should not call on the government too quickly so that they will turn on the tap. We should personally do our utmost in difficult times, and in that way we will lay the foundation for future growth.”

Refunjol also quoted the changeover in government. He compared such with the gardener who supports him.

“Each gardener has his own opinion and his priorities, but always with a hart and love for the garden”. In this, each government also has its opinions and its priorities, according to the Governor, ‘which is not always bad or inferior’. Refunjol also asked attention for agriculture and cited a young Aruban entrepreneur who had started with hothouse planting on his terrain. On conclusion, the Governor warned the road users not to drive especially after having consumed alcohol. “Aruba has already lost much too many children due to unsafe traffic.”

Positive
Premier Mike Eman (AVP) had also held his speech on the radio. Amongst others, he thanked the police who are having a ‘difficult’ time these days with the stricter performance for the sake of security. In spite of the difficult economical times, Eman still expressed his hope for the future. As example, he mentioned the burden relief enabling more buying power for the population. Eventually, the citizens will also notice the difference regarding the investment in alternative energy, which will be followed-up next year. The Premier is also pleased with the new relationship with the Netherlands, which will have positive results, according to him. As an example, Eman cites the return of the KLM next year.


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Sorry, forgot the link! 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66954.php


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 06:21:08 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

suspencion owing to cay in lotto for sport

local

monday, 04 january 2010 - 16:38

informacionnan owing to enter cu two person owing to bay cas. is deal here of director of lotto for sport, sr. endy croes y also the person encarga cu the part of finanzas, ricky croes, owing to wordo suspendi for of they funcion. motibo of this is bad maneho in the organizacion here. hunta directiva is cuestiona the maneho y owing to constata bad maneho y owing to base of this did take the decision for suspende the two personanan here, pendiente more investigacion. stay pendiente for more detayes.


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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 06:38:51 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14974/5/

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/thumbs/b.150.0.16777215.0.stories.news.2010.januari.jan4.boto.P1019564.JPG)

gasolene owing to end cu boat on sea

monday, 04 january 2010 - 14:29

informacion cu 24ora.com owing to come ricibi one an boat his gasolene will owing to end on sea. donjo of the boat owing to calling at number of emergencia batiendo alarma. at once unidadnan competente owing to mobilisa for her sitio for so give one hand. helicopter also owing to fly on the area. click read more for more imagen y updates... updates: apparently gasolene will owing to end cu the boat ocean faith. the boat here is wordo using for take away turistanan snorkel. come across

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.virtualdistortion.com/?p=527

June 2009

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On Sunday the plan was to go snorkeling again but Liquid and I went tubing instead! We both rode on one tube at the same time. The boat, named “Ocean Faith”, ran out of gas half way through our time. Ironic. I liked it because we got to sit on the tube in the water longer than we paid for.

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Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
This little girl was seriously injured when a firework of some type blew up in her hand(s).  I thought it had just damaged one hand but from the photos I'm not sure, it may have been both.
Mike Eman and his wife visited her and her family, and brought her a gift, I think it may have been a doll.  There are pictures of Mike Eman hugging both of her parents also.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14962/5/

Papiamentu translation:

gobierno is convivi cu family of victima of klapchi

monday, 04 january 2010 - 10:10

was one instant very emocionante hour cu first minister mr. mike eman owing to enter the camber of hospitaal of the child muher zizi despagne that owing to resulta victima of one accidente cu clapchi. as is conoci, the hobencita the lose practicamente all his hand by of one descuido cu one klapchi. click read more for more info... while cu the famianan is lamenta very the susesido, we maximo mandatario owing to haci one visit of cortesia at hospitaal for convivi cu the parents in the momentonan dificil here. owing to talk cu the dokternan on kico can haci for her criatura cu have all one life his fast. can owing to see one gladness big on cara of the patient at instant cu past owing to see first minister mr. mike eman enter his camber. near of the visit, first minister mr. mike eman owing to arrive cu one gift in hand for can alegra the dianan dificil here for her patient. gobierno is lamenta the susedido very y is wait for cu soon will can introduci more medidanan for preveni the type of accidentenan here. come across

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 07:25:18 PM
Here is a link to Beth's appearance on TV this morning. 
The subject was strip mining around smith Lake in north Alabama
Natalee was not mentioned.
Video in the top right corner.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Stop-Smith-Lake-Strip-Mining/5L4l6-8C20GC7SEijENhrA.cspx

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 09:25:58 PM


I hope you're all better now San!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2010, 10:17:44 PM


I hope you're all better now San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling better.  I just have this hacking cough but not as bad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 10:39:47 PM


I hope you're all better now San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling better.  I just have this hacking cough but not as bad.

Well, let's knock that cough out!  If you're still coughing after the Jack Daniels, you probably won't notice...



1.  (http://www.vicks.com/images/products/VPO_Ointment_LG.jpg) 

If that doesn't work....

2.  (http://www.1-877-spirits.com/store/images/large/Jack-Daniels-Tennessee-Whiskey-lg.jpg.jpg)  (http://www.recipetips.com/images/glossary/p/peppermint_2.jpg)

(Caution:  Don't drink too much of remedy number two!)   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 04, 2010, 10:42:17 PM


I hope you're all better now San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling better.  I just have this hacking cough but not as bad.

Well, let's knock that cough out!  If you're still coughing after the Jack Daniels, you probably won't notice...



1.  (http://www.vicks.com/images/products/VPO_Ointment_LG.jpg) 

If that doesn't work....

2.  (http://www.1-877-spirits.com/store/images/large/Jack-Daniels-Tennessee-Whiskey-lg.jpg.jpg)  (http://www.recipetips.com/images/glossary/p/peppermint_2.jpg)

(Caution:  Don't drink too much of remedy number two!)   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


I wouldn't know what Jack-Daniels tastes like.  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 04, 2010, 11:11:27 PM


I hope you're all better now San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling better.  I just have this hacking cough but not as bad.

Well, let's knock that cough out!  If you're still coughing after the Jack Daniels, you probably won't notice...



1.  (http://www.vicks.com/images/products/VPO_Ointment_LG.jpg) 

If that doesn't work....

2.  (http://www.1-877-spirits.com/store/images/large/Jack-Daniels-Tennessee-Whiskey-lg.jpg.jpg)  (http://www.recipetips.com/images/glossary/p/peppermint_2.jpg)

(Caution:  Don't drink too much of remedy number two!)   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


I wouldn't know what Jack-Daniels tastes like.  ::CowboySmiley::

After a couple it might not matter.   ::MonkeyWink::  (I don't think you'll like it.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 11:13:15 PM


I hope you're all better now San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am feeling better.  I just have this hacking cough but not as bad.

Well, let's knock that cough out!  If you're still coughing after the Jack Daniels, you probably won't notice...



1.  (http://www.vicks.com/images/products/VPO_Ointment_LG.jpg) 

If that doesn't work....

2.  (http://www.1-877-spirits.com/store/images/large/Jack-Daniels-Tennessee-Whiskey-lg.jpg.jpg)  (http://www.recipetips.com/images/glossary/p/peppermint_2.jpg)

(Caution:  Don't drink too much of remedy number two!)   ::MonkeyWink::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


I wouldn't know what Jack-Daniels tastes like.  ::CowboySmiley::

I think it tastes like T-R-O-U-B-L-E, iirc.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Anyhooooo....If you don't want to taste the whiskey, hold your nose and slug it down!  

It works!   ::MonkeySlide::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 11:29:38 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=265&Itemid=40

Press Conference | Palm Beach Plaza "Christmas Preview" (December 17th, 2009)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 11:31:52 PM
A few more same event.

http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=265&Itemid=40

Press Conference | Palm Beach Plaza "Christmas Preview" (December 17th, 2009)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 04, 2010, 11:36:17 PM
One more...same event.

http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=265&Itemid=40

Press Conference | Palm Beach Plaza "Christmas Preview" (December 17th, 2009)


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 04, 2010, 11:56:45 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=265&Itemid=40

Press Conference | Palm Beach Plaza "Christmas Preview" (December 17th, 2009)

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In the 4th picture is Charles wearing two different colored shoes or is one foot bare?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=268&Itemid=40

House Vs. Urban Was Jam-Packed at Confession (December 19th, 2009)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 12:25:15 AM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=273&Itemid=40

DJ Tiesto Live on The Beach in Aruba @ Havana - Album #1 (December 26th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_tiesto_live_on_the_beach_in_aruba__havana_-_album_1_december_26th_2009_273/tiesto_27_20091228_1770212825.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 12:32:02 AM
SuzieQ,

It looks to me like you can only see one shoe, and it may be a slipper.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

If it's not a slipper, it's a brown leather loafer maybe.  imo



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 12:39:49 AM
That doesn't look right does it?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Here's another one!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 02:42:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2010, 08:10:18 AM
Jen3560,

Thanks for the NC and NJ articles.  It's all coming back to me, now.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

YW!  A deer friend dug those up for me.  We work as a great team - my memory sticks on the little, seemingly unimportant details  ::MonkeyTongue::- but not necessarily the whole enchilada.  My good pal can nearly read my mind, and grabs the whole story for me.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sometimes the silly things I remember matter - other times not.  Like in this instance, most likely.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2010, 08:12:02 AM

 
Dutch again summon Venezuela ambassador on comments
By Ben Berkowitz Ben Berkowitz 26 mins ago
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen on Friday denied fresh accusations by the Venezuelan government that the Netherlands is supporting U.S. spy flights over Venezuelan territory.

Verhagen condemned the comments as "inaccurate, unjust and really out of place" in a statement on Friday and said he would summon Venezuela's ambassador again to explain the remarks.

Twice in the past two weeks, the government of President Hugo Chavez has publicly claimed that the Dutch have let the U.S. military launch spy flights from bases on the territories of Aruba and Curacao under the guise of drug surveillance missions.

On December 17 Chavez said the Netherlands was planning "aggression" against Venezuela in concert with the United States, and on Thursday his government again charged the Dutch with "complicity" in such plans.

Verhagen said the Netherlands had made clear to the Venezuelan government that the civilian airports in the Dutch islands have been made available to the United States solely for unarmed drug surveillance missions.

The United States has for years had a military presence on Curacao and Aruba, with about 250 Air Force crew and ground staff involved in counter-narcotics and surveillance operations over the Caribbean region.

In its statement on Thursday, the Venezuelan government questioned whether that was their true purpose.

"The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts the installations that the Netherlands government has put at the disposition of U.S. military contingents are used in the fight against drugs," it said.

The Foreign Ministry, which summoned the Venezuelan ambassador last month, said on Friday it wanted to see the ambassador again "quickly" to clarify the new comments.

The alleged threat of U.S. intervention in the oil-producing South American nation has become a central element of Chavez's discourse and a rallying cry for his supporters.

While he is Latin America's loudest U.S. critic, foes say Chavez is hyping the idea of a foreign threat to distract Venezuelans from pressing domestic problems such as economic recession, rampant crime and inadequate public services.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Cawthorne in Caracas)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100101/pl_nm/us_venezuela_netherlands_usa_1

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66939.php

Google translation:

Verhagen: Venezuela false allegation

January 2, 2010, 12:24 (GMT -04:00)

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DEN HAAG - "New allegations of Venezuela, Curacao and Aruba by the United States used to attack the country to prepare, are incorrect, unfounded and really out of place." Says Minister Maxime Verhagen (Foreign Affairs) .

He wants the Venezuelan ambassador in the Netherlands next week again will give a full explanation on the statements of President Chávez.

Chávez on Thursday again claimed that the Netherlands by American spy planes allows Hato and from the airport Reina Beatrix. "The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts that plants that the Dutch government has made available to the U.S. military used in the fight against drugs", it said in its statement. The Venezuelan ambassador also noted the last time that the Americans are only concerned with combating drug trafficking.

In his statement, however, Chavez stressed again that the United States to use the Netherlands Antilles to Venezuela for an attack to prepare. Verhagen dismissed the allegations of Chávez yesterday of the hand. "The allegations are false and unsubstantiated. Netherlands let its territory be used for aggression and seeks good relations with Venezuela after, "Verhagen said. He wants quick clarification on the words of Chávez.

A spokesman for a U.S. Army division in Miami, Stephen Lucas, the U.S. military denies violating Venezuelan airspace and other motifs are present in Aruba and Curaçao. "It is unfortunate that the Venezuelan government has chosen to cooperate in the anti-drug measures to reduce the threat because of the smuggling is for all nations in the region," he said. "Our operations on the islands of Curacao and Aruba are therefore only focus on drugs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics in Venezuela."

At the climate summit in Copenhagen last December, Chavez said in a speech to leftist organizations that the United States with the consent of Aruba and Curacao Netherlands 'to the teeth' arm.

The leftist president, U.S. troops in preparation for a possible invasion of Venezuela intelligence officers, war ships and spy planes transferred to Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire.

Chávez claimed that the three islands in the territorial waters of Venezuela lie.

Chavez appealed to the European Union to help prevent an armed conflict. He said that the Netherlands is a member of the European Union and that he therefore wants to know how Brussels think about the issue.

English version of the Amigoe article:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_66956.php

Verhagen: Accusation Venezuela incorrect

2 Jan, 2010, 07:38 (GMT -04:00)

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THE HAGUE — “The new accusations from Venezuela that Curaçao and Aruba are being used by the United States to prepare an attack on the country, are incorrect, groundless and totally unfounded”. Minister Maxime Verhagen (Foreign Affairs) states the aforementioned.

He wants the Venezuelan ambassador in the Netherlands to give chapter and verse on the statements of president Chávez once again during the course of next week. Chávez had repeated his accusation last Thursday that the Netherlands had enabled espionage flights by the United States from the Hato and Reina Beatrix airports. His statement mentioned that, “the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela doubts that the installations provided by the Dutch government to the American army could be used in drug combating”. The Venezuelan ambassador had already been informed the last time that the Americans had only dealt with combating drug smuggling.

However, in his statement, Chávez underlined once again that the United States are using the Netherlands Antilles to prepare an attack on Venezuela. Verhagen had strongly refuted the accusations from Chávez yesterday. “The accusations are incorrect and groundless. The Netherlands does not allow its territory to be used for aggression and strives for good relations with Venezuela” according to Verhagen. He requests prompt clarity on the words spoken by Chávez.

A spokesperson from an American army detachment in Miami, Stephen Lucas, also denies that American soldiers had violated the Venezuelan airspace and were present on Aruba and Curaçao for other motives. “It is regrettable that the Venezuelan government has chosen to reduce their cooperation in the anti-drug actions as the smuggling threat applies for all nations in the region”, he said. “Our operations on the islands Curaçao and Aruba are therefore only targeted towards drugs and have absolutely nothing to do with politics in Venezuela.”

In a speech for left-winged organizations during the climate summit in Copenhagen last December, Chávez stated that the United States were arming Aruba and Curaçao ‘to the teeth’ with the approval of the Netherlands.

According to the socialist President, the American soldiers had transported intelligence officers, warships and espionage aircrafts to Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire in preparation for a possible invasion of Venezuela.

Chávez had stated that the three islands were located in the territorial waters of Venezuela.

Chávez had called on the European Union to help prevent an armed conflict. He stated that the Netherlands is a member of the European Union and that’s why he would appreciate to know Brussels’ point of view on the matter.

Thanks for all of these, you two.  I've been saying for nearly 4 years that Chavez needs to be taken out.  The man's hero is Fidel Castro.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  He's one scary, unstable freak!!  I really sat up and paid attention when Ole Nellie snuggled up with him over that pipeline in June 2008.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2010, 08:18:08 AM


English version:

2010: think about future without refinery’

2 Jan, 2010, 07:36 (GMT -04:00)

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<snip>

Positive
Premier Mike Eman (AVP) had also held his speech on the radio. Amongst others, he thanked the police who are having a ‘difficult’ time these days with the stricter performance for the sake of security. In spite of the difficult economical times, Eman still expressed his hope for the future. As example, he mentioned the burden relief enabling more buying power for the population. Eventually, the citizens will also notice the difference regarding the investment in alternative energy, which will be followed-up next year. The Premier is also pleased with the new relationship with the Netherlands, which will have positive results, according to him. As an example, Eman cites the return of the KLM next year.


I do hope that Eman can rebuild the sanctity that must once have been Aruba.  I hope he can instill values, morals and integrity back into her citizens.  I hope he can generate a measure of trust, faith and hope for her citizens in her government once again.  I hope he can create a climate where those who know what happened to Natalee no longer feel fearful about coming forward.

I believe his dispersing with the unfounded pride that his predecessors put forth above all else, in eagerly accepting help and instruction from the Netherlands is a good sign that he has only the best interests of the Aruban citizen at heart.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2010, 08:28:22 AM
The darker skinned kid in front of Val - isn't that a Dos Santos kid?  Looks a lot like the older one, the friend of Joran's.  Andre, I think his name was?

http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=273&Itemid=40

DJ Tiesto Live on The Beach in Aruba @ Havana - Album #1 (December 26th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_tiesto_live_on_the_beach_in_aruba__havana_-_album_1_december_26th_2009_273/tiesto_27_20091228_1770212825.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 08:59:03 AM
The darker skinned kid in front of Val - isn't that a Dos Santos kid?  Looks a lot like the older one, the friend of Joran's.  Andre, I think his name was?

http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=273&Itemid=40

DJ Tiesto Live on The Beach in Aruba @ Havana - Album #1 (December 26th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_tiesto_live_on_the_beach_in_aruba__havana_-_album_1_december_26th_2009_273/tiesto_27_20091228_1770212825.jpg)


Good morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance::

Jen, I think his name is Kapil Sawilani .  I agree he does kind of favor Andre.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 05, 2010, 09:51:53 AM
Good Morning! I hope everyone is staying warm!!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 05, 2010, 10:12:39 AM
Good Morning! I hope everyone is staying warm!!   ::MonkeyKiss::
I think it is cold EVERYWHERE!!!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 02:52:46 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

suspencion owing to cay in lotto for sport

local

monday, 04 january 2010 - 16:38

informacionnan owing to enter cu two person owing to bay cas. is deal here of director of lotto for sport, sr. endy croes y also the person encarga cu the part of finanzas, ricky croes, owing to wordo suspendi for of they funcion. motibo of this is bad maneho in the organizacion here. hunta directiva is cuestiona the maneho y owing to constata bad maneho y owing to base of this did take the decision for suspende the two personanan here, pendiente more investigacion. stay pendiente for more detayes.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67011.php

Google translation:

Director Lotto Pa Deporte on non-active
January 5, 2010, 12:23 (GMT -04:00)

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Endy Croes, Director of Lotto Pa Deporte.

ORANGE CITY - The director of Lotto Pa Deporte, Endy Croes, together with financial director Ricky Croes put on non-active, pending an independent internal investigation. At a meeting yesterday afternoon, the Board indicated that both an investigation into their policies.

"Everything is screened," said Vinda de Sousa, spokesman and secretary of the Board of Directors of Lotto Pa Deporte. "The accounts of Lotto is examined by the Central Audit Department (CAD) and the Curacao office of accounting firm Ernst & Young. The process as quickly and with minimal resistance smoothly, we have two men decided to put on non-active. "

Reason for the study according to De Sousa that the new administration, which since November has been appointed by the government, documents have been facing that reason, to the opening of an internal investigation. "There are indications that things are not properly conducted. The research focuses on the overall picture of Lotto, but these studies usually focus on the financial policy, "said De Sousa. It is intended that the report of the study in about two months to finish. In the meantime sit Endy and Ricky Croes (also no relation) at home.

When the investigation is finished, both directors are called to be heard. "Then it becomes clear whether or not we have to negotiate our departure," said Endy Croes, who is convinced that this is a politically motivated action by the Board of Directors. "Politicians have been calling for years that we have to be investigated. So this action does not come as a surprise to me. Such political pursuits because they do like. "Croes says that he did not even know who all in the new administration of Lotto Pa Deporte sitting on the chair and secretary Thönissen Reo De Sousa after.

Interestingly, the Board of Directors of Lotto Pa Deporte own initiative an investigation. Cabinet Mike Eman early November I have all Boards of all public and board members of foundations where the government is responsible for appointments, asked to resign. The entire board of Lotto Pa Deporte then served her resignation. Finance Minister De Meza (AVP) was also announced to all public and financial foundations to vetting by the CAD.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 05, 2010, 02:55:17 PM


Good morning Monkeys! ::MonkeyDance::

Jen, I think his name is Kapil Sawilani .  I agree he does kind of favor Andre.

OH.  K, thanks TxMom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 02:55:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67010.php

Google translation:

Lotto Pa Deporte plagued by controversy

January 5, 2010, 12:24 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Lotto Pa Deporte in spite of its success (in ten years, sales increased tenfold) the requisite controversy known. For example, several times at the bell on the high salaries in the foundation and cases of alleged conflict of interest.

Last year leaked the salary budget of 2008 and showed that the then director Hubert 'Ipi' florin Kock 275,330 per year salary, bonus and other allowances received. Also finance director Juan Enrique "Ricky" Croes was not onbedeeld, with a bonus of 29,545 florin with a total income of 191.72 per florin years. Ramon Lee Minister of Labor, Sports and Culture (MEP) said no objections to it. The government had this in 2002 with a test case tried, but failed. April last year Ipi Kock succeeded by CEO Jan Hendrik "Endy" Croes. Kock terminated the contract after he was suspended by the board. This happened in the media when he had the impression created that there are fraudulent practices in Lotto Pa Deporte place. These sounds were election time several times in the media. In particular, the outsourcing of marketing at Quality Promotions, the company Endy Croes' brother Edmond who have affiliation with the political party MEP never conceal had crossed led to allegations of conflict of interest.

Control
During the celebration of the tenth anniversary of Lotto in October Endy Croes stressed that the organization has established an internal control system that meets international standards of the Institute of Internal Auditors. In addition, a committee was established to analyze the risks and preventive measures, said Croes. Also, the Balance Scorecard system introduced for a more strategic management.

Fundacion Lotto Pa Deporte was founded in 1982 in Curaçao at the initiative of the then government of the Netherlands Antilles. The foundation aimed to relieve the government budget and ensuring the development of sport on the islands. In the second half of the nineties was a thorough reorganization. The one million sales of the lottery foundation for part used for various sports and social projects to sponsor. The main objectives of the foundation are still securing the support of sports and sporting talent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 02:58:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67009.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

OM appeal against verdict Norguera

January 5, 2010, 12:22 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) is on appeal in the hit & run case against Jacqueline Feliciana Norguera (34). The woman in early December was sentenced to two years imprisonment and disqualification from driving for a period of five years. The prosecution had demanded nine years for driving death of 34-year-old Charles also Ramada Miguel Mora, on May 31 of last year.

The prosecution believes that two years in prison for the intentional killing of someone for "not a good sign" is. Justice believes that the woman's husband, with whom she was in divorce, death would intentionally drive. Her husband had just gotten out of the car when the woman drove while Mora aanreed. He was killed instantly. The OM thought the woman that her husband had hit and the collision took place on purpose.

After the collision drove the woman. A few hours later she was arrested at her home. The police suspected her husband of Norguera off as her children and wanted to regain her freedom. The court there is no evidence that the woman had the intention to drive her husband to death. The fact that they rode back, for various reasons may have been, said the judge. The judge did not prove intent, and sentenced the woman very reckless driving under the influence and involuntary manslaughter.

On January 1, 2010 was again a hit and run to where the 57-year Sulbaran Hely Saul was killed. The offender drove by, but because witnesses could shortly be held later at home. This is a 81-year-old man with the initials NH He underwent a blood test to determine his alcohol and was then released for medical reasons. If the results of the blood test are known, will show whether the man driving the wrong during the incident.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 03:01:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67008.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Driving has improved preventive measures and strict enforcement"

January 5, 2010, 12:21 (GMT -04:00)

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Peter de Witte

ORANGE CITY - The behavior of drivers on Aruba has greatly improved since the police more control. This suggests chief Peter de Witte. This weekend would be a minister was arrested for speeding. The Chief Minister will not say to what it is and how hard the minister drove.

The conscious minister was arrested by police for speeding, got a warning. "He received no fine because that day we were busy with a preventive action. This means that all drivers who cause too hard and were arrested on that day, there came a warning from it and were aware of the consequences of driving at excess speed, "said De Witte. The chief explains that there are days when the police preventive people continues and issues alerts on other days and that enforcement action is taken and people get fines if they drive too fast.

Penalty
The fines imposed by the Public Prosecutor (OM). Who between 16 and 25 kilometer driving too fast, get a fine of 175 florin. Between 26 and 30 kilometer speeding, delivers a fine of 300 florin. Drivers who are between 30 and 50 kilometer speeding, fined and given a four months suspended sentence. The worst traffic offenders with more than 50 kilometer to get a hefty speeding fine and four months unconditional punishment. "The intention of the police is not to scare people off and just fine to share. The traffic police wants her behavior is so that it has fewer accidents. Thus, in 2008, according to De Witte around 6000 accidents recorded. "This is the police so these actions will significantly reduce," said De Witte. The commissioner notes that the police are pleased with the cooperation of commerce and the prevention of speeding. He cited the example of the Tiesto event that took place on December 26. There were close to the show several signs posted that warned it was hard and drunk driving. The placement of speed signs on various roads on the island produces the desired result according to the Chief. "People think when seeing a sign like it: Oh yes now I 80 kilometer ride."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 05, 2010, 06:50:36 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show at 9pm ET:


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 07:20:41 PM
http://texasequusearch.org/2010/01/spokes-and-spurs-for-equusearch-january-23-2010/

Spokes and Spurs for EquuSearch, January 23, 2010

Posted on 02. Jan, 2010 by smckinney in About TES, Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, Get Involved

There will be a Fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch on January 23, 2010 at Marguerite’s, 3330 Avenue A, Santa Fe, Texas 77510 (downloadable flyer below). We will be raffling a 2009 Harley Davidson Softail Deluxe (see picture below). If you previously purchased raffle ticket(s) for the cancelled fundraiser last July, THEY WILL BE HONORED. Additionally, each ticket you purchased for $20.00 will now have three (3) chances to win. We will be contacting each person who bought a ticket, and then fill out two (2) additional tickets to go in the drawing. The reason for this is that the new tickets are being sold for $10.00 each, or three (3) for $20.00.

We are in need of volunteers to help secure donated items for the Live and Silent Auctions. In addition, we will need volunteers to serve BBQ plates, along with other miscellaneous duties the day of the Fundraiser. (We need donations of side dishes, buns and condiments. If you are able to get donations for these items, please coordinate this with the office so we can keep up with all donations.) Please contact Sherry at the office, (281) 309-9500, or email sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org., to volunteer for any assistance or donations. Thank you so much.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/12/bayou-belles-and-beauxs-annual-charity-gala-february-20-2010/



Bayou Belles and Beauxs Annual Charity Gala, February 20, 2010

Posted on 18. Dec, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, Get Involved, TES News

There is going to be a Fundraiser/Charity Gala benefitting Texas EquuSearch on February 20, 2010. The event is a Mardis Gras Ball and will hosted by the Bayou Belles and Beauxs. The event will be held at The Club At Falcon Point, 24503 Falcon Point Drive, Katy, TX 77494 from 7:00 p.m. until 12:00 midnight. The Keynote Speaker will be Tim Miller — Director of Texas EquuSearch. The Emcee will be Courtney Zavala (KPRC 2). There will be a special reading of a letter from Beth Hollaway, mother of Natalee Hollaway. The two guest speakers are (i) Don K. Clark — Former FBI Special Agent & Houston Bureau Chief, and (ii) Ann Hodge — President and CEO of Katy Area Chamber of Commerce. The featured talent will be Brittany Holcomb with ABSOLUTELY! Katy magazine.


http://www.bayoubelles-bayoubeauxs.com/

First

 Annual Charity Gala

"Bayou Belles & Beauxs"

An Exquisite Evening

of

Dinner * Dancing * Entertainment

* Raffle *

Benefiting: Texas EquuSearch   www.TexasEquuSearch.org

When:  February 20, 2010

Where: The Club At Falcon Point   24503 Falcon Point Drive   Katy,TX77494

THEME:  MARDI GRAS BALL - FORMAL

Keynote Speaker: Tim Miller - Director of Texas EquuSearch

MC:  Courtney Zavala (KPRC 2)

Special Reading:  Beth Hollaway the mother of Natalie Hollaway (Aruba)

Guest Speaker:  Don K. Clark - Former FBI Special Agent & Houston Bureau Chief

Guest Speaker:  Ann Hodge - Pres./CEO of Katy Area Chamber of Commerce

Featured Talent:   Brittany Holcomb with our very own ABSOLUTELY! Katy magazine

Featured Talent:  Pending

Featured Talent:  Pending

_______________________________________

TICKETS

Individual:  $50.00 per person

Couples: $300.00  To be seated with other couples; mentioned in our first annual charity gala program; and a table marked for  (STARGAZER - LEVEL)

Shared Company Table (5/5) :  $750.00  each company and includes special recognition at the charity gala; donation level marked at your semi-private table; and recognition of your support in our first annual charity gala program as (HALO - LEVEL)

Company Tables (10 guests) :  $2,000 includes plaque presentation at the charity gala; donation level and company name marked at your private table; and a printed annoucement of your support in our first annual charity gala program as (ANGEL - LEVEL)

TAX DEDUCTION FORMS AVAILABLE

___________________________________

CONTACT

 Angeline Labbe'-Auzenne

832-671-2411

Butterfliesses@yahoo.com

* Company Sponsership, Raffle Items, and Volunteer opportunities are available for upcoming charity gala.

________________________________________

SPONSORS

* Ann Hodge - Katy Chamber   Venue

* Sound Connections   % of DJ

* Linens by LISA  % of linens & chairs

* Falcon Point Club  Raffle Packages

_________________________________

REPORTS SHOW!

Where recessions may cause an economic slump, it has not slowed the number of daily child abductions.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children a staggering 800,000 children are reported missing yearly in the United States alone. That equates to an overwhelming 2,000 children abducted a day in the USA.

PLEASE JOIN IN OUR EFFORTS TO  SUPPORT THE TEXAS EQUUSEARCH ORGANIZATION

www.TexasEquuSearch.org

_______________________________________

MEMBERSHIP

FORT BEND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE

KATY AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 05, 2010, 11:15:11 PM
The pictures I posted last night were from this event.

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/palm-beach-plaza-hosts-a-press-event

Palm Beach Plaza Hosts A Press Event


Posted on: 12/21/2009
By Rona Coster

Palm Beach – The Palm Beach Plaza hosted a press preview on the eve of its soft opening showcasing its treasures to members of the Aruba press.

Billed as the largest mall in the Southern Caribbean, the all-day family entertainment center welcomed the media with a fun tour and a celebration toast.

Landy NV Managing Director Muller Solognier, developers Ashok Ramchandani and Kelly Alwani, with his father the senior Mr Alwani, were flanked by the Palm Beach Plaza management team Indra stamper, Shannon Lopez, Alex Otterspeer and consultant Charles Croes, as they orchestrated the great reveal of the multi-level mall, occupied by a great number of prestigious tenants, now ready to serve and entertain the community at the heart of Palm Beach, within walking distance of all high-rise resorts.

The press went through the mall’s three floors and enjoyed the hospitality of the Palm Beach Plaza team.

The mall tenants include, on the ground floor: Mama’s Mexico, Bianco e Bianco, Bianco Piu, Shivas Gold & Gems, Underground, Flow, Jewels in Paradise, Muaa, Barrel Bay Mini Market, Jeff de Bruges, Skechers, Birkenstock / Vanilla, Post Aruba NV, Sunspecs Sunglass Boutique, Totto, Majesty Jewels, Havana Cigar & Spirit Bar, Sir James House of Coffee, Nautica, Bisou Bisou Pink, San Marina, Company 81, ShoeBox, La Chinata, Benetton, Giordano, Penha, Mimo’s Ice Cream, Tio Pepes, Aruba Aloe Balm & Tango Tours.

On the second floor: Kaffas, Hoshi Sushi Bar, Basinger, Technoland, Art Fusion, Pixies, Aruba Megaplex, Candyland, Panache, Green Door Spa & Beauty Salon, Kokomo’s Tropical Bar & Restaurant & Casa Tua Mediterranee.

On the third floor:  Fun City, Churromania, Beef'es, Chubby Panda, Sciue Sciue, Bon Chicken, Aladdin Shoarma Express, American Burger, Planet Gelato & Palm Beach Dream Bowl.

The Palm Beach Plaza reported that 92% of the commercial space has been successfully rented and that one third of the tenants were able to have their spaces ready to host the public on the 18th of December on opening day.

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http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=24048&Itemid=40


Palm Beach Plaza Tenant, Partners & Employees Appreciation Day (December 12th, 2009)

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 ::MonkeyRoll::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 12:22:54 AM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=22925&Itemid=40

 19th Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta @ Moomba Beach (November 22nd, 2009)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 01:53:36 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2370&offId=0&offDate=2010-1

Papiamentu translation:

12 hora happen | fecha: 05/01/2010 | horario: 14:14 2

lady tourist americano during tour of jeep owing to bolter in the seroenan of jamanota

tuesday afternoon owing to enter informe of cu one jeep cu was in one tour owing to bolter near of jamanota y have person injury, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance y also cuerpo of rescate of bombero at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to constata cu during tour one of the jeepnan of abc tours cu two muhe americano inside owing to bolter.den the boltermento one of they owing to wordo saca for of the vehiculo.pero can some they owing to cay in the ravijn. unicamente one of the damanan owing to resulta injury the was complain of sla at cabes, nek y back.segun the damanan they owing to happen in susto of they bidaambulance, police y park ranger owing to work together for saca the herido for of eynan. ambulance owing to transporta the victima for hospital.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 01:58:31 AM
More pictures from the accident here:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15009/8/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 07:51:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayr1artpic.jpg)

http://www.darelease.com/dl/Natalee+Holloway.html

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___________________________

36,066 Downloads of Natalee's movie from this site alone!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Someone knows the truth!   ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 07:54:53 AM
Have a great day Monkeys!   ::CowboySmiley::


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 06, 2010, 07:59:48 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::  I know her!!!!!!!!!

Time for some emailing.......


http://texasequusearch.org/2009/12/bayou-belles-and-beauxs-annual-charity-gala-february-20-2010/



Bayou Belles and Beauxs Annual Charity Gala, February 20, 2010

Posted on 18. Dec, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, Get Involved, TES News

There is going to be a Fundraiser/Charity Gala benefitting Texas EquuSearch on February 20, 2010. The event is a Mardis Gras Ball and will hosted by the Bayou Belles and Beauxs. The event will be held at The Club At Falcon Point, 24503 Falcon Point Drive, Katy, TX 77494 from 7:00 p.m. until 12:00 midnight. The Keynote Speaker will be Tim Miller — Director of Texas EquuSearch. The Emcee will be Courtney Zavala  (KPRC 2). There will be a special reading of a letter from Beth Hollaway, mother of Natalee Hollaway. The two guest speakers are (i) Don K. Clark — Former FBI Special Agent & Houston Bureau Chief, and (ii) Ann Hodge — President and CEO of Katy Area Chamber of Commerce. The featured talent will be Brittany Holcomb with ABSOLUTELY! Katy magazine.


http://www.bayoubelles-bayoubeauxs.com/

First

 Annual Charity Gala

"Bayou Belles & Beauxs"

An Exquisite Evening

of

Dinner * Dancing * Entertainment

* Raffle *

Benefiting: Texas EquuSearch   www.TexasEquuSearch.org

When:  February 20, 2010

Where: The Club At Falcon Point   24503 Falcon Point Drive   Katy,TX77494

THEME:  MARDI GRAS BALL - FORMAL

Keynote Speaker: Tim Miller - Director of Texas EquuSearch

MC:  Courtney Zavala (KPRC 2)

Special Reading:  Beth Hollaway the mother of Natalie Hollaway (Aruba)

Guest Speaker:  Don K. Clark - Former FBI Special Agent & Houston Bureau Chief

Guest Speaker:  Ann Hodge - Pres./CEO of Katy Area Chamber of Commerce

Featured Talent:   Brittany Holcomb with our very own ABSOLUTELY! Katy magazine

Featured Talent:  Pending

Featured Talent:  Pending

_______________________________________

TICKETS

Individual:  $50.00 per person

Couples: $300.00  To be seated with other couples; mentioned in our first annual charity gala program; and a table marked for  (STARGAZER - LEVEL)

Shared Company Table (5/5) :  $750.00  each company and includes special recognition at the charity gala; donation level marked at your semi-private table; and recognition of your support in our first annual charity gala program as (HALO - LEVEL)

Company Tables (10 guests) :  $2,000 includes plaque presentation at the charity gala; donation level and company name marked at your private table; and a printed annoucement of your support in our first annual charity gala program as (ANGEL - LEVEL)

TAX DEDUCTION FORMS AVAILABLE

___________________________________

CONTACT

 Angeline Labbe'-Auzenne

832-671-2411

Butterfliesses@yahoo.com

* Company Sponsership, Raffle Items, and Volunteer opportunities are available for upcoming charity gala.

________________________________________

SPONSORS

* Ann Hodge - Katy Chamber   Venue

* Sound Connections   % of DJ

* Linens by LISA  % of linens & chairs

* Falcon Point Club  Raffle Packages

_________________________________

REPORTS SHOW!

Where recessions may cause an economic slump, it has not slowed the number of daily child abductions.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children a staggering 800,000 children are reported missing yearly in the United States alone. That equates to an overwhelming 2,000 children abducted a day in the USA.

PLEASE JOIN IN OUR EFFORTS TO  SUPPORT THE TEXAS EQUUSEARCH ORGANIZATION

www.TexasEquuSearch.org

_______________________________________

MEMBERSHIP

FORT BEND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE

KATY AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 06, 2010, 08:02:09 AM


36,066 Downloads of Natalee's movie from this site alone!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Someone knows the truth!   ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::





Wow!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 06, 2010, 03:21:37 PM
::MonkeyEek::  I know her!!!!!!!!!

Time for some emailing.......


http://texasequusearch.org/2009/12/bayou-belles-and-beauxs-annual-charity-gala-february-20-2010/



Bayou Belles and Beauxs Annual Charity Gala, February 20, 2010

Posted on 18. Dec, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, Get Involved, TES News

There is going to be a Fundraiser/Charity Gala benefitting Texas EquuSearch on February 20, 2010. The event is a Mardis Gras Ball and will hosted by the Bayou Belles and Beauxs. The event will be held at The Club At Falcon Point, 24503 Falcon Point Drive, Katy, TX 77494 from 7:00 p.m. until 12:00 midnight. The Keynote Speaker will be Tim Miller — Director of Texas EquuSearch. The Emcee will be Courtney Zavala  (KPRC 2). There will be a special reading of a letter from Beth Hollaway, mother of Natalee Hollaway. The two guest speakers are (i) Don K. Clark — Former FBI Special Agent & Houston Bureau Chief, and (ii) Ann Hodge — President and CEO of Katy Area Chamber of Commerce. The featured talent will be Brittany Holcomb with ABSOLUTELY! Katy magazine.


http://www.bayoubelles-bayoubeauxs.com/

First

 Annual Charity Gala

"Bayou Belles & Beauxs"

An Exquisite Evening

of

Dinner * Dancing * Entertainment

* Raffle *

Benefiting: Texas EquuSearch   www.TexasEquuSearch.org

When:  February 20, 2010

Where: The Club At Falcon Point   24503 Falcon Point Drive   Katy,TX77494

THEME:  MARDI GRAS BALL - FORMAL

Keynote Speaker: Tim Miller - Director of Texas EquuSearch

MC:  Courtney Zavala (KPRC 2)

Special Reading:  Beth Hollaway the mother of Natalie Hollaway (Aruba)

Guest Speaker:  Don K. Clark - Former FBI Special Agent & Houston Bureau Chief

Guest Speaker:  Ann Hodge - Pres./CEO of Katy Area Chamber of Commerce

Featured Talent:   Brittany Holcomb with our very own ABSOLUTELY! Katy magazine

Featured Talent:  Pending

Featured Talent:  Pending

_______________________________________

TICKETS

Individual:  $50.00 per person

Couples: $300.00  To be seated with other couples; mentioned in our first annual charity gala program; and a table marked for  (STARGAZER - LEVEL)

Shared Company Table (5/5) :  $750.00  each company and includes special recognition at the charity gala; donation level marked at your semi-private table; and recognition of your support in our first annual charity gala program as (HALO - LEVEL)

Company Tables (10 guests) :  $2,000 includes plaque presentation at the charity gala; donation level and company name marked at your private table; and a printed annoucement of your support in our first annual charity gala program as (ANGEL - LEVEL)

TAX DEDUCTION FORMS AVAILABLE

___________________________________

CONTACT

 Angeline Labbe'-Auzenne

832-671-2411

Butterfliesses@yahoo.com

* Company Sponsership, Raffle Items, and Volunteer opportunities are available for upcoming charity gala.

________________________________________

SPONSORS

* Ann Hodge - Katy Chamber   Venue

* Sound Connections   % of DJ

* Linens by LISA  % of linens & chairs

* Falcon Point Club  Raffle Packages

_________________________________

REPORTS SHOW!

Where recessions may cause an economic slump, it has not slowed the number of daily child abductions.

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children a staggering 800,000 children are reported missing yearly in the United States alone. That equates to an overwhelming 2,000 children abducted a day in the USA.

PLEASE JOIN IN OUR EFFORTS TO  SUPPORT THE TEXAS EQUUSEARCH ORGANIZATION

www.TexasEquuSearch.org

_______________________________________

MEMBERSHIP

FORT BEND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE

KATY AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 06, 2010, 10:13:04 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 07, 2010, 01:05:52 AM
Wednesday, January 06, 2010
Valero Confirms Talks For Aruba Complex Sale
                   
 By Steve Gelsi
MarketWatch Pulse
NEW YORK -- Valero Energy Corp. has confirmed that it's in talks to sell its 235,000 barrel-a-day refinery in the Caribbean nation of Aruba, according to reports late Tuesday. Recently-elected Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman said through a spokesman that Valero is in talks with PetroChina, but the refining giant declined to identify the prospective buyer. The facility, which accounts for about a third of Aruba's gross domestic product, has been on the sales block for more than a year.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/valero-confirms-talks-aruba-complex-sale/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxbusiness%2Flatest+%28Text+-+Latest+News%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 01:33:13 AM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/januari/06-01-10/P01.pdf

Google translation:

Minister with 135 km / h

From our editorial staff

Willemstad / Oranjestad -- The Aruban Minister Richard Visser (AVP) of Health is caught on the circulation a speed of 135 kilometer per hour (approx 84 mph per texas-son1) at Sasaki, the road with double lanes near the hotels.

It is also the way in which end of last year several serious accidents occurred, which some even fatal outcome.

Chief Peter de Witte, the confirmed incident, said Radio Z-86 yesterday afternoon, indicated that relying at Bon Dia Aruba. Police was the speed demon , but let him then go. The Minister had no alcohol.

Not known whether Visser fined, or that the the agents in a warning left.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 07, 2010, 01:39:47 AM
Just thinking of Beth and Dave......Natalee won't be forgotten....
aruba...give it up for Justice for Natalee...
someone knows something.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 01:44:44 AM
Just thinking of Beth and Dave......Natalee won't be forgotten....
aruba...give it up for Justice for Natalee...
someone knows something.......

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 01:49:26 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 07, 2010, 07:38:12 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2010/01/spokes-and-spurs-for-equusearch-january-23-2010/

Spokes and Spurs for EquuSearch, January 23, 2010

Posted on 02. Jan, 2010 by smckinney in About TES, Calendar of Events, Featured Articles, Get Involved

There will be a Fundraiser for Texas EquuSearch on January 23, 2010 at Marguerite’s, 3330 Avenue A, Santa Fe, Texas 77510 (downloadable flyer below). We will be raffling a 2009 Harley Davidson Softail Deluxe (see picture below). If you previously purchased raffle ticket(s) for the cancelled fundraiser last July, THEY WILL BE HONORED. Additionally, each ticket you purchased for $20.00 will now have three (3) chances to win. We will be contacting each person who bought a ticket, and then fill out two (2) additional tickets to go in the drawing. The reason for this is that the new tickets are being sold for $10.00 each, or three (3) for $20.00.

We are in need of volunteers to help secure donated items for the Live and Silent Auctions. In addition, we will need volunteers to serve BBQ plates, along with other miscellaneous duties the day of the Fundraiser. (We need donations of side dishes, buns and condiments. If you are able to get donations for these items, please coordinate this with the office so we can keep up with all donations.) Please contact Sherry at the office, (281) 309-9500, or email sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org., to volunteer for any assistance or donations. Thank you so much.

(http://texasequusearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/TES_HarleyAuction09-200x150.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/TESFundraiserFlyer01232010.jpg)

Thanks, TM.  I want to go.   ::CowboySmiley::

I am re-posting in musings, okay?

 ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 07:52:53 AM


I think that would be great!  Thanks Sis!    ::MonkeySkate::

Have a great day Monkeys!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 07, 2010, 10:51:50 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/6.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 07, 2010, 10:58:32 AM
KLM Resumes Service to Aruba
 Airlines     January 6th, 2010
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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines will resume its service between Amsterdam Airport Schiphol and Aruba Airport Reina Beatrix on 1 February 2010. The twice weekly service will be operated in combination with the existing Curaçao service.

KLM suspended this service on the 29th March 2009. In response to growing demand on this route, KLM has decided to resume flights between Amsterdam and Aruba. The service will be operated using Boeing 747-400 equipment. KLM and Martinair both operate services to this destination.

“We have seen that customers would like the option of a business class product on flights to and from Aruba. To meet the different demands of our passengers we will operate KLM flights alongside the Martinair service on this route,” explains Peter Hartman, KLM President & CEO.

The flight, number KL0783, will depart from Amsterdam on Mondays and Thursdays at 09:35 hours and will arrive in Aruba at 14.15 hours on the same day. The return flight with the same flight number will depart from Aruba on Mondays and Thursdays at 15:25 hours, arriving in Amsterdam the next day at 08:00 hours.

For more information: KLM Media Relations, Ellen van Ginkel tel: +31 (0)20 649 4545.
 
http://www.aruba.com/news/airlines/klm-resumes-service-to-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 07, 2010, 11:03:58 AM
(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/01donkeywalk-225x300.jpg)

On Saturday, January 9, 2010 the Donkey Sanctuary will be sponsoring their 5th annual walkathon to raise money to help feed and take care of the Aruban donkeys.  The walkathon is a 6 km. walk/run starting at the Ayo Rock Formations.

This is a fun walk/run and there will be donkeys, Ban Ban and Igor, there to walk with you.  Inscription starts at 4pm at the Ayo Rock Formations and the walkathon begins at 5pm.  The cost is 10 Awg. ($6 US)  The cost includes a free gift.

Help make this the biggest walkathon ever.  For more information call 593-2933.

http://www.aruba.com/news/arts-culture/5th-annual-donkey-walkathon/


Donkey dust....   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 07, 2010, 02:03:30 PM
Poor little Donkeys  ::MonkeyWaa:: ...put them all on the KLM flights and divert to USA. We will take care of them  :cry:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:zFzruTE0IHg3qM%3Ahttp://batibleki.visitaruba.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/roulette-a-couple-of-hours-old-3-jan-27-2009_2.jpg) (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Ewzl6idN7BU8vM:http://z.about.com/d/animals/1/0/0/D/wild-donkey.jpg)
(http://xml.whatsonwhen.com/img_bg/33599.jpg) (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jW1olm_WuE8zYM%3Ahttp://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Karin_Janssen_small.jpg) <<except for that one  :cool:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 07, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 07, 2010, 03:14:11 PM
Her photo came up when I googled images for 'Aruban Donkeys' lmffaoooooo  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: caesu on January 07, 2010, 04:42:05 PM
sorry for not getting back about the Peter R. de Vries program.
I am very busy right now.
I see EURobert gave a detailed summary.

No problem, caesu.  Are you working here in the states?  I thought I remembered you mentioning coming here a while back. 

right now I am in Holland.
but at least once a month I have to go to Seattle.
I am very busy, I can't follow all the discussion here.
news from Aruba has slowed down after the MEP was thrown out in the election.
I am sure Peter R. de Vries will make another program.
he won't rest until Joran is behind bars.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 07, 2010, 06:03:33 PM
Posted at RU:

Reaver  PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:55 pm         

Human remains found at Sabana Liber (Aruba)
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15089/5/

At Sabana Liber a group of persons that were hunting for iguanas stumbled upon human remains. It look like the ones that discovered the human remains took the skull to the police station. The police immediately alarmed the highest authorities and started an investigation. Some families of long missed persons came to the address and talked to the police to check if it was their missing family member. It is still unkown who this person is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 07, 2010, 06:09:22 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 06:39:57 PM
Posted at RU:

Reaver  PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:55 pm         

Human remains found at Sabana Liber (Aruba)
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15089/5/

At Sabana Liber a group of persons that were hunting for iguanas stumbled upon human remains. It look like the ones that discovered the human remains took the skull to the police station. The police immediately alarmed the highest authorities and started an investigation. Some families of long missed persons came to the address and talked to the police to check if it was their missing family member. It is still unkown who this person is.

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 06:44:05 PM
sorry for not getting back about the Peter R. de Vries program.
I am very busy right now.
I see EURobert gave a detailed summary.

No problem, caesu.  Are you working here in the states?  I thought I remembered you mentioning coming here a while back. 

right now I am in Holland.
but at least once a month I have to go to Seattle.
I am very busy, I can't follow all the discussion here.
news from Aruba has slowed down after the MEP was thrown out in the election.
I am sure Peter R. de Vries will make another program.
he won't rest until Joran is behind bars.

Thanks for stopping by Caesu, it's always good to hear from you!   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 06:45:23 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Very interesting!  Thanks Buckeye!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 07, 2010, 06:45:58 PM
Posted at RU:

Reaver  PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:55 pm         

Human remains found at Sabana Liber (Aruba)
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15089/5/

At Sabana Liber a group of persons that were hunting for iguanas stumbled upon human remains. It look like the ones that discovered the human remains took the skull to the police station. The police immediately alarmed the highest authorities and started an investigation. Some families of long missed persons came to the address and talked to the police to check if it was their missing family member. It is still unkown who this person is.

Well, how stupid.  That skull will NEVER be seen again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 07, 2010, 07:32:39 PM
Interesting part of the island :

http://www.maplandia.com/aruba/sabana-liber/

I do hope that the LE proves us wrong and does the right thing, thus giving someone answers to their missing family members whereabouts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 07, 2010, 07:37:25 PM
sorry for not getting back about the Peter R. de Vries program.
I am very busy right now.
I see EURobert gave a detailed summary.

No problem, caesu.  Are you working here in the states?  I thought I remembered you mentioning coming here a while back. 

right now I am in Holland.
but at least once a month I have to go to Seattle.
I am very busy, I can't follow all the discussion here.
news from Aruba has slowed down after the MEP was thrown out in the election.
I am sure Peter R. de Vries will make another program.
he won't rest until Joran is behind bars.

Thank you for responding.  Stop by when you are able.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 07, 2010, 07:44:48 PM
Interesting part of the island :

http://www.maplandia.com/aruba/sabana-liber/

I do hope that the LE proves us wrong and does the right thing, thus giving someone answers to their missing family members whereabouts.

Yes, it is an interesting spot, Tibrogargan....thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Yes, they were supposed to give depositions back in June.  They were having difficulties getting a visa from Suriname?  Anyway, their attorneys said ok to do the depositions in Chicago on November 2nd (or something).  They renigged on that and then asked if the defense team could take the depos in Aruba.  Defense team says no.

It is an 84 page PDF, trying to decide on the best way to do this  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2010, 08:39:10 PM
Very interesting location

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Noord.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2010, 08:51:30 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Yes, they were supposed to give depositions back in June.  They were having difficulties getting a visa from Suriname?  Anyway, their attorneys said ok to do the depositions in Chicago on November 2nd (or something).  They renigged on that and then asked if the defense team could take the depos in Aruba.  Defense team says no.

It is an 84 page PDF, trying to decide on the best way to do this  ::MonkeyCool::

Linked below is the entire 84 page PDF regarding the Motion to Compel the K2's for Depositions


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 07, 2010, 09:27:51 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Yes, they were supposed to give depositions back in June.  They were having difficulties getting a visa from Suriname?  Anyway, their attorneys said ok to do the depositions in Chicago on November 2nd (or something).  They renigged on that and then asked if the defense team could take the depos in Aruba.  Defense team says no.

It is an 84 page PDF, trying to decide on the best way to do this  ::MonkeyCool::

Linked below is the entire 84 page PDF regarding the Motion to Compel the K2's for Depositions
This has gotten beyond ridiculous! It's time for the judge to award attorney fees to the defendants.  ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 07, 2010, 09:37:33 PM
Wreck - it is ridiculous.  They want to use OUR court system to make money off of Dr. Phil yet they don't want to play by the rules.  I honestly believe THEY thought CBS and Dr. Phil were going to settle out of court.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 07, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Yes, they were supposed to give depositions back in June.  They were having difficulties getting a visa from Suriname?  Anyway, their attorneys said ok to do the depositions in Chicago on November 2nd (or something).  They renigged on that and then asked if the defense team could take the depos in Aruba.  Defense team says no.

It is an 84 page PDF, trying to decide on the best way to do this  ::MonkeyCool::

Linked below is the entire 84 page PDF regarding the Motion to Compel the K2's for Depositions

Thanks Klaas!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 07, 2010, 10:20:36 PM
Thanks Klaas. Seems they want to hold Dr. Phil responsible for every thing Beth said on Greta, Rita, Nancy the tv and radio in Alabama,etc, etc, etc. You would think they would know that Beth is her own woman and will tell it like it is. She sure doesn't need Dr. Phil to tell her what to say.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2010, 12:10:58 AM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/januari/08-01-10/P02.pdf

Curacao

Google translation:

Atacho underlines importance FOL-based

From one of our reporters

Willemstad - State President Pedro Atacho has been concerned the discussion is operative "or whether or not one good thing is that a FOL-based in Curacao is ".

That discussion, according it mainly conducted by opposition parties.

Atacho: "I think it is around this important issue be given the correct facts.  We as a neutral Antilles country and both have friendly as commercial ties with all countries. "

Atacho indicates that he 2000 along with Dudley Lucia and Don Martina in the Second Room in a public meeting "A strong plea for establishment "of the FOL-base Netherlands maintained. He were then only the SP and GroenLinks against the establishment, but were also all political parties in the Netherlands for the establishment of the base.

"The base was made on request of the Dutch Antilles. It is not by Netherlands America or imposed, but based on our specific wish. Reason for the arrival of was the basic fighting trafficking in drugs. Addition The establishment also had economic benefits. But the main was trading drugs from South America by to go and therefore the number of families on Curaçao reduce the victim of drug use, "said Atacho. That adds: ,, That should the U.S. base. "He further explains that U.S. basic information provides to the Coast Guard. The flights also deliver results, Atacho said. ,, Recent figures shows that the drug increasingly made through the Caribbean and more through Central America. Atacho stresses' we have careful discussion of the the FOL-based there can lead there is also immediately called the coastguard to punches. That would be very bad ". Less control of drug trafficking plays the drug dealers He is in the card further favor of the political debate now account the influence of America and the relationship between America and Venezuela an eye to keep. ,, Rita Verdonk wants Netherlands now suddenly action, but I will not take seriously.  It shows its policy on Antillean youth for years to are based on incorrect numbers. "More seriously he takes the fact that America and Venezuela threatens to cross swords on military. "But at commercial area are still still best friends. Oil exports from Venezuela to America remains very high. "Local opposition parties must he does not let them drag in the hostile statements who are given the violation of airspace.

"It makes sense that everything to take a grain of salt. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2010, 12:25:18 AM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/januari/08-01-10/P03.pdf

Google translation:

Pilot Mansell buried today

From one of our reporters

Willemstad - De died Divi Divi Air pilot, Robert Mansell, is this afternoon at half two buried in his former Solihul residence in England.

Minister Maurice Adriaens (Traffic and Transport) yesterday a condolence letter Mansell sent to the family.  Adriaens has been his deepest condolence letter shown sympathy and hopes that Mansell a decent farewell and peace should be given rest. Family, friends and friends can say goodbye of Mansell in the church Knowle Parish Church, Saint Lawrence House in place Solihul. In his letter to the father of Mansell writes that the Minister nine people still alive

"Thanks to the courageous efforts your son. " "By virtue of his selfless sacrifice, Robert leaves behind a heroic legacy that shall forever remain in the hearts and minds of those he lives saved, as well as the people of the Netherlands Antilles', says Adriaens.

The minister adds that he recent months All effort has made to the Divi Divi Air unit of that plane off the coast of Bonaire in the sea ended, to get above water. This enabled the deceased pilot finally to his family flown in England to serve his final resting place found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2010, 12:37:09 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67126.php

Warm welcome for missionary ship
January 7, 2010, 13:22 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Dozens of interested welcoming last night in the port of Oranjestad over 400 international crew of the missionary ship Logos Hope. Among the welcome committee members of Christian organizations and Oansa Awana Club. Randolf Croes (37) of Oansa let them know that the purpose of organizing the ship, the message of Jesus Christ to spread wholeheartedly supports. Oansa is part of an international organization in the social, cultural, sporting and spiritual works with young people from four to twenty years old.

See also 'Logos Hope can not sell books'

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67122.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Logos Hope can not sell books
January 7, 2010, 13:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Christian missionary ship Logos Hope is now officially open to the public. Yesterday afternoon about half past five the ship enter the harbor in Oranjestad. A reception committee of Christian organizations, interested parties and a drum group welcomed the crew with 400 music, songs, balloons and banners. The crew were excited from the top deck waving to the crowd.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Steven petulant (29) of the international preparatory team looks proudly watched "his ship" the inland port of Oranjestad. Petulant came eight weeks ago along with three others to Aruba to prepare for the arrival of Logos Hope. The team arranged publicity, sponsorship and licensing and prepared for activities on the ship and ashore.

Book Ban
One of the main vessel operations, sales of religious books and articles, is not allowed. The Government of Aruba gave the necessary authorization, not off. Some bookstores have protested against the sale of books on board the ship. The extensive book collection of over 7500 books on the ship would be on sale at special prices offered to provide 'unfair competition' for the local bookstores.


The Minister of Economic Affairs, Social Affairs and Culture Michelle Winklaar (ASF) said that "it is unfair to ship products to sell without settlement and without paying taxes. Negotiations for the sale through a local company to pass, came to nothing. The predecessor of this ship, the Logos II in 2005 did the Aruban port. When was the sale of books and other products are allowed. Petulant regrets that it should not, but indicates that the response of the minister it is respected. He stressed that the ship is more than just books. "Crew members of the ship and go ashore on the island broadcast. They will visit the prison and the hospital. They also distribute food to homeless people. "

Benefit
At Logos Hope are various activities organized for youth and adults. As a crew encounters, adventures on board (for children), seminars, events and of course prayer. One of the bigger events is an AIDS / HIV benefit concert on Friday, January 15. Martin Brand, a 29-year-old Christian singer from The Netherlands, especially for this concert went on board. The concert takes place on board and is seven hours to nine hours at night. Admission is five florin.

The ship will remain until January 17 in the port of Oranjestad and is open daily. Opening hours are Tuesday through Saturday for ten hours in the morning to nine hours at night. On Sunday and Monday the ship was open for two hours in the afternoon until nine hours at night. Visitors are welcome to attend an activity, a tour or a cup of coffee at the Cafe International. More information about the ship on www.logoshope.org.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2010, 01:33:09 AM
http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=913:parti-di-curpa-di-jossy-herrera-a-wordo-encontra-na-sabana-liber-awe-tardi&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

video and photos also at the link above


Interpretation/comment of the above by Luvslalom at RU:



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Jose Herera had been missing since July 31st/09. He was a musician and song writer apparently but had been hospitalized for depression. At some point he left the hospital and wasn't seen again. In that heat decomposition would have been rapid. Articles state a skull was found, other body parts, and parts of a belt and jean material.

Anything could have happened to him, he could even have gotten into problems with a choller and been murdered...who's to say. Yet there on the spot his sister ID'd him...his skull, and jean material? Whomever carried the skull out and contaminated the scene didn't do anything the others didn't do. According to the video the area wasn't taped off and people were walking all over the scene and then packed out the body parts in paper bags??? That's it? That's how they handle a deceased by unknown means? Shocked No coroner?? No labs testing?

I sure as hell couldn't ID my brother once all the flesh was off him!! Shocked
Being in papiamento and different papers saying different things, it's difficult to understand, but something is missing from the picture!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2010, 01:54:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 08, 2010, 07:05:12 AM
Seems Kalpoes are being called for deposition:

12/31/2009 Motion to Compel (PLTFS TO APPEAR FOR DEPOSITION IN CALIFORNIA SET: 1-29-10)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

12/09/2009 Objection Document (TO PLTF. SATISH KALPOE'S NOTICE OF RULING ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Yes, they were supposed to give depositions back in June.  They were having difficulties getting a visa from Suriname?  Anyway, their attorneys said ok to do the depositions in Chicago on November 2nd (or something).  They renigged on that and then asked if the defense team could take the depos in Aruba.  Defense team says no.

It is an 84 page PDF, trying to decide on the best way to do this  ::MonkeyCool::

Linked below is the entire 84 page PDF regarding the Motion to Compel the K2's for Depositions


Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 08, 2010, 07:11:46 AM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 08, 2010, 08:22:02 AM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?

I'm curious about that also Buckeye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 08, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?
I would bet this is how they "bow out". They will claim from now on that their suit was valid -- they "just could not get to the US to present their case".  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 08, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 08, 2010, 10:19:04 AM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?

Murderers


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 08, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?

Murderers
I say "let them come"!!!! Our FBI can meet them at their plane!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 08, 2010, 11:28:31 AM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?

Murderers
I say "let them come"!!!! Our FBI can meet them at their plane!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Satish will crap his pants and say I'm still a minor I haven't graduated high school yet  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 08, 2010, 11:30:00 AM
FBI will say Deepak why you lie to momma.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 08, 2010, 12:03:04 PM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?

Murderers
I say "let them come"!!!! Our FBI can meet them at their plane!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Satish will crap his pants and say I'm still a minor I haven't graduated high school yet  ::MonkeyDevil::

Perhaps Satish should apply for a "US Physician Shortage" Visa...........    ::MonkeyCool:: I hear Momma bought him a stethascope to play with for Christmas!   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Hey! Are you all getting ready for Valentine's Day? Magnolia's all ready!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 08, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
Might be interesting to know the reasons for denial of visa for K2.  Criminal? Drug? background?
I would bet this is how they "bow out". They will claim from now on that their suit was valid -- they "just could not get to the US to present their case".  ::MonkeyNoNo::

On the bottom of pg 44 in Klaas' pdf K's attorney is stating that the problem is with OUR State Dept!  ::MonkeyEek::

"I can only say, Your Honor, on our clients ability to leave Aruba.  That's all dependant on the US State Department's ability to give them permission to leave the Country."

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 08, 2010, 02:18:09 PM
And then it does later state that Suriname has denied their Visa requests twice.

So I wonder what the real reason is?

And I'm VERY curious about the implication of their own attorney's words about our State Dept's granting them permission to leave the country....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 08, 2010, 03:00:37 PM
And then it does later state that Suriname has denied their Visa requests twice.

So I wonder what the real reason is?

And I'm VERY curious about the implication of their own attorney's words about our State Dept's granting them permission to leave the country....

 ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: "Your Honor, our clients cannot come to the USA because they are known drug dealers, rapists, and murderers."  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 08, 2010, 03:20:18 PM
And then it does later state that Suriname has denied their Visa requests twice.

So I wonder what the real reason is?

And I'm VERY curious about the implication of their own attorney's words about our State Dept's granting them permission to leave the country....

They are such a valuable export, Suriname can only let them go for a price.

::monkey eye roll::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 08, 2010, 03:22:57 PM
And then it does later state that Suriname has denied their Visa requests twice.

So I wonder what the real reason is?

And I'm VERY curious about the implication of their own attorney's words about our State Dept's granting them permission to leave the country....

 ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: "Your Honor, our clients cannot come to the USA because they are known drug dealers, rapists, and murderers."  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL

But it's not that they can't come here - their lawyers question whether or not they would be allowed to LEAVE here.

That tells me our State Dept is standing over here with a catcher's mit on, ready for them to clear customs, and probably salivating at the chance to detain and prosecute them.

That gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.  That tells me that the US has something on them - and it's likely something to do with Natalee Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 08, 2010, 03:28:54 PM
First thing that popped into my head when wondering what evidence the FBI could have obtained against 2K?

Remember the blood evidence they collected from Deepak's car on June 9th?

And don't let anyone fool you into thinking it wasn't blood (chocolate and cleaning fluid come to mind  ::MonkeyNoNo::)- they did a comparison of that blood sample they took!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 08, 2010, 03:59:51 PM
First thing that popped into my head when wondering what evidence the FBI could have obtained against 2K?

Remember the blood evidence they collected from Deepak's car on June 9th?

And don't let anyone fool you into thinking it wasn't blood (chocolate and cleaning fluid come to mind  ::MonkeyNoNo::)- they did a comparison of that blood sample they took!
I think you are right on!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on January 08, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Aruba Looks to A Strong 2010 as Ex-UK Visitors for 2009 Soar
Posted on: 8 Jan 2010 at 03:52 PM in Tourism News
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Aruba Looks to A Strong 2010 as Ex-UK Visitors for 2009 Soar

The Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba defied the credit crunch in 2009 and is aiming for an even better 2010.

Aruba has now firmly established itself as one of the top 10 destinations in the Caribbean for the UK market: according to the latest available figures, from January to September 2009 Aruba saw a 41.88 per cent year-on-year increase in visitor numbers from the UK (10,265 as opposed to 7,235 for the same period in 2008). This is the first time that the island has surpassed 10,000 visitors from the UK in a single year.

For 2010 the Aruba Tourism Authority’s UK office is implementing a £150k advertising campaign to further raise the profile of the island among UK consumers and to continue to increase the number of visitors.

Building on last year’s highly successful promotion, the Aruba Tourism Authority is expanding its presence on the London Underground, which now includes tube car panels, show case squares (large posters) and LCD digital moving images by the escalators. The campaign was launched at the beginning of January and will run for six weeks.

In addition – supporting the increased frequency of Thomson’s flights from Manchester (which go weekly from fortnightly in May) – a three-month taxi campaign was launched in November, with 60 Aruba-themed cabs driving around Manchester.

KLM Royal Dutch Airlines is also resuming its Aruba service on 1st February, due to growing demand (flights between Amsterdam and Aruba were suspended earlier in 2009).

Aruba Tourism Authority UK director Joanna Walding said:

“Despite the economic downturn, Aruba had a record year and remains one of the fastest growing destinations in the Caribbean for the UK market. With more flights available and two major advertising campaigns going on, we are confident that the upward trend can be maintained for 2010”.

More than 30 UK tour operators now feature the island. The Aruba Tourism Authority operates a dedicated online training programme for UK travel agents, accessible at www.ArubaAcademy.co.uk

http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/aruba-looks-to-a-strong-2010-as-ex-uk-visitors-for-2009-soar/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 08, 2010, 05:03:45 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 08, 2010, 05:11:20 PM
Thanks Magnolia!

Veddy, veddy interesting........


 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2010, 06:06:55 PM
I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 08, 2010, 06:18:04 PM
Hello monkeys! 

Just popping in to say hello.  Jen asked me to come by and look at the .pdf of the court document.  Deepest appreciation for making this available, Klaasend. 

My New Year resolution is to make more time for Natalee.  I have been waylaid by unrelated issues. 

Love all the new smilies!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 08, 2010, 06:23:49 PM
PS - the pic of Ms. de Sousa partying with the straw-haired wench makes me sick to my stomach.  For 4-1/2 years I have wondered how Dave and Robin have not been able to step back and see the handwriting on the wall.  Is it hanging onto all hope, regardless of the cost?  Or a simple lack of clear judgment?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2010, 06:23:56 PM
Hi Wingnut!  Great to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 08, 2010, 06:28:58 PM
PSS - who is the creepy crackhead that the two of them are hanging on?  Have we seen him before?  He looks familiar.  I swear it looks like Renheifer has been drooling on his right shoulder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wingnut on January 08, 2010, 06:30:21 PM
Hi Wingnut!  Great to see you!

Howdy, lady!  Good to see you too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 08, 2010, 06:50:35 PM

Great to see you Wingnut!   ::MonkeyDance::

I think the guy in the blue shirt may be Mark Benson Denz.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 08, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
Hi everyone, hiya Klaasend!  It's nice to meet you finally as I see we are here at the same time!  I sure hope 2010 is the year we see justice for Natalee.  Texasmom, thanks again for the beautiful pictures of a life that has vanished from her family..... all along, someone knows and someone can end this.  It breaks my heart........ so I keep praying.........!  Oh, thanks for the candle reminders too!  It's freezing in Houston, literally for over 48 hours...... brrrr!  Stay warm everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 08, 2010, 07:39:22 PM
I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroVindaDeSousa.jpg)

Klaas

Natalee's mother is not deceived by Vinda de Sousa.  I wonder if Dave Holloway's Aruban  attorney is affording him itemized invoices for her ongoing services.

Hi wingnut.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 136:
  We're fortunate that one of the men from home here to help us is an attorney, so he personnally interviews several Aruban lawyers and decides Vinda de Sousa will be as good as any.  Her retainer is $5,000 up front.

Page 179:  During this time we add a new attorney, Helen Lejuez, who tells us she is confident that we can access official documents for us.  Her retainer is also $5,000 up front.  We give her copies of all the materials we've collected.  She gets started.  And Vinda, the first attorney, quits, refusing to work on a team with Helen.  Vinda sends another bill, for $15,000, but we are not able to obtain an itemized invoice for this. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 08, 2010, 07:52:30 PM
Hi everyone, hiya Klaasend!  It's nice to meet you finally as I see we are here at the same time!  I sure hope 2010 is the year we see justice for Natalee.  Texasmom, thanks again for the beautiful pictures of a life that has vanished from her family..... all along, someone knows and someone can end this.  It breaks my heart........ so I keep praying.........!  Oh, thanks for the candle reminders too!  It's freezing in Houston, literally for over 48 hours...... brrrr!  Stay warm everyone!

Hi Sharon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 08, 2010, 10:34:19 PM

Great to see you Wingnut!   ::MonkeyDance::

I think the guy in the blue shirt may be Mark Benson Denz.



You are a regular encyclopedia/google search engine!

 ::MonkeyShovel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: nomad on January 08, 2010, 11:03:51 PM
I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroVindaDeSousa.jpg)

Hi Klaasend! 

Sorry to be OT, but sent you an e-mail at smklaas@hotmail.com.  I hope I have the correct address and you receive it!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 12:16:43 AM
I really wonder if Dave Holloway is aware that Julia Renfro is drinking buddies with his Aruban attorney (Vinda de Sousa)?  It's unfortunate that Natalee's family (specifically Dave & Robin) have continued to be deceived by these people.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroVindaDeSousa.jpg)

Klaas

Natalee's mother is not deceived by Vinda de Sousa.  I wonder if Dave Holloway's Aruban  attorney is affording him itemized invoices for her ongoing services.

Hi wingnut.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 136:
  We're fortunate that one of the men from home here to help us is an attorney, so he personnally interviews several Aruban lawyers and decides Vinda de Sousa will be as good as any.  Her retainer is $5,000 up front.

Page 179:  During this time we add a new attorney, Helen Lejuez, who tells us she is confident that we can access official documents for us.  Her retainer is also $5,000 up front.  We give her copies of all the materials we've collected.  She gets started.  And Vinda, the first attorney, quits, refusing to work on a team with Helen.  Vinda sends another bill, for $15,000, but we are not able to obtain an itemized invoice for this. 

Hello Janet.....nothing new from aruba other than trying to bleed Beth and Dave's funds dry....
Another slow night....I guess the majority here would rather have no discussions than a discussion on a point of view they view repetitive...
Kinda cuts out discussions.....Not sure how the helps Beth, Dave, and Natalee......but what do I know...
I guess I'll just wait.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2010, 12:36:37 AM
I guess I'll just wait....

Good Evening Billb.....TICK_TOCK..I've got the patient to sit and watch the snakes slither through the weeds.... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
Billb - I'm not sure why you found it necessary to post that.  I didn't seen any negativity at all recently to ANY of the posters or any attempt to stop discussion of anything. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2010, 01:04:43 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2010, 01:06:21 AM
I was a rootin for tha horns TM..Maybe Lil brother can bring one home for big brother TM.... ::MonkeyFootball::

P.S.Sorry i messed that last post up pretty bad... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 01:06:50 AM
I guess I'll just wait....

Good Evening Billb.....TICK_TOCK..I've got the patient to sit and watch the snakes slither through the weeds.... ::MonkeyBike::
Good evening to you too Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 01:10:03 AM
1/9/2010 Awe Mainta Page 20

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

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Papiamentu translation:

drugs is bay the netherlands cu barco (ship) of war dutch

willemstad - of acuerdo cu informenan cu owing to enter fo’i the netherlands the week here, month ago investigadórnan owing to find several kilo of cocaina bordo of the barco of war tjerk hiddes cu was stacioná at corsow.

reportadamente police militar neither marechaussee not arrest none person y they owing to revelá only cu is for of day 7 of decèmber year ago owing to find the drugs.

the netherlands owing to stacioná the barco at còrsow just for combati narcotrafico, but owing to resultá cu bordo of the barco self had drugs.

vocero of marechaussee does not owing to tell cuanto drugs they owing to find neither at where y if is for casualidad owing to find the drugs. have one team special is investigando the caso.

is obvio cu the hayazgo here owing to cause one mancha big on flag of navy regal, because at 1998 also they owing to constatá cu militarnan owing to haci contrabanda of 125 kilo of cocaina bordo of plane of patruyahe orion.

for mala suerte just week ago had all one discusion at the netherlands con corupto ambtenaarnan dutch is at the netherlands y now is seems cu self corupto cu ambtenaarnan of cualkier another country.

all the time at schiphol self marechaussee owing to detené two of they agentenan cu was envolvi in trafico of drugs. they detencion did take lugar some week ago y at all had 9 person envolvi in the business here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 01:13:05 AM
I was a rootin for tha horns TM..Maybe Lil brother can bring one home for big brother TM.... ::MonkeyFootball::

P.S.Sorry i messed that last post up pretty bad... ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hi KTF!  I was wondering if that was supposed to be a "T".   ::CowboySmiley::

Whatever will be, will be.... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2010, 01:16:36 AM
I was a rootin for tha horns TM..Maybe Lil brother can bring one home for big brother TM.... ::MonkeyFootball::

P.S.Sorry i messed that last post up pretty bad... ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Hi KTF!  I was wondering if that was supposed to be a "T".   ::CowboySmiley::

Whatever will be, will be.... ::MonkeyFootball::


The young frosh did the best he could and the Horns will be better in the years to come for it.Unless the younger McCoy comes in and performs!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 01:17:27 AM
Billb - I'm not sure why you found it necessary to post that.  I didn't seen any negativity at all recently to ANY of the posters or any attempt to stop discussion of anything. 
Klaasend.....
mhoo.....
long time posters jumped on Janet because they didn't like her perspective...as in repetition of her posts....also suggested she took posts out of content to promote her own agenda....
I liked the repetition as a reminder of aruba agenda.......
mhoo....
What my point is.......I want everyone's point of view... 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2010, 01:19:33 AM
I guess I'll just wait....

Good Evening Billb.....TICK_TOCK..I've got the patient to sit and watch the snakes slither through the weeds.... ::MonkeyBike::
Good evening to you too Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::
My hope billb.That those who remain behind the scenes are waiting to see where the outcome of the lawsuit goes,then they'll make their next move..I say we extend FREE tickets to the Kalpoes to come to America! ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 01:22:11 AM
I guess I'll just wait....

Good Evening Billb.....TICK_TOCK..I've got the patient to sit and watch the snakes slither through the weeds.... ::MonkeyBike::
Good evening to you too Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::
My hope billb.That those who remain behind the scenes are waiting to see where the outcome of the lawsuit goes,then they'll make their next move..I say we extend FREE tickets to the Kalpoes to come to America! ::MonkeyShovel::
Me too...I'll personally  ::MonkeyCool::pay a one way ticket for both of them!...
Don't think they will be able to use a return ticket...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 01:31:40 AM
I guess I'll just wait....

Good Evening Billb.....TICK_TOCK..I've got the patient to sit and watch the snakes slither through the weeds.... ::MonkeyBike::
Good evening to you too Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::
My hope billb.That those who remain behind the scenes are waiting to see where the outcome of the lawsuit goes,then they'll make their next move..I say we extend FREE tickets to the Kalpoes to come to America! ::MonkeyShovel::

I've got a nomination for the welcoming committee...

(http://www.britfilms.tv/v3/user_files/Image/TakenQuad2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 09, 2010, 01:32:16 AM
Hey Nitecrew. Wanting to wish all of you Happy New Year.Missed all of you during the holidays. Hey Wreck, please take back your COLD weather. It's been friggin unreal for so far down south.

Justice for Natalee in 2010!!!!!      ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 09, 2010, 01:34:33 AM
I guess I'll just wait....

Good Evening Billb.....TICK_TOCK..I've got the patient to sit and watch the snakes slither through the weeds.... ::MonkeyBike::
Good evening to you too Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::
My hope billb.That those who remain behind the scenes are waiting to see where the outcome of the lawsuit goes,then they'll make their next move..I say we extend FREE tickets to the Kalpoes to come to America! ::MonkeyShovel::

I've got a nomination for the welcoming committee...

(http://www.britfilms.tv/v3/user_files/Image/TakenQuad2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 01:37:33 AM
Billb - I'm not sure why you found it necessary to post that.  I didn't seen any negativity at all recently to ANY of the posters or any attempt to stop discussion of anything. 
Klaasend.....
mhoo.....
long time posters jumped on Janet because they didn't like her perspective...as in repetition of her posts....also suggested she took posts out of content to promote her own agenda....
I liked the repetition as a reminder of aruba agenda.......
mhoo....
What my point is.......I want everyone's point of view... 
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 01:42:49 AM
Hey Nitecrew. Wanting to wish all of you Happy New Year.Missed all of you during the holidays. Hey Wreck, please take back your COLD weather. It's been friggin unreal for so far down south.

Justice for Natalee in 2010!!!!!      ::MonkeyGavel::

Hey cajun miracle, Happy New Year to you too!

It's freezing here too, we've still got some frozen pipes from last night and it's only going to be colder tonight.
 
 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 01:58:24 AM
Billb - I'm not sure why you found it necessary to post that.  I didn't seen any negativity at all recently to ANY of the posters or any attempt to stop discussion of anything. 
Klaasend.....
mhoo.....
long time posters jumped on Janet because they didn't like her perspective...as in repetition of her posts....also suggested she took posts out of content to promote her own agenda....
I liked the repetition as a reminder of aruba agenda.......
mhoo....
What my point is.......I want everyone's point of view... 
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1032583#msg1032583

snip

Quote
I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=1.0 

You really should venture out more billb.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
Good Evening, Monkeys and Nite Crew.

BRRRRR!!!

A Wind Chill Advisory remains in effect until 8 am CST Saturday.
A Wind Chill Advisory is also in effect Saturday night through
Sunday morning.

Temperatures will continue falling into the teens overnight. Wind
chill values will fall to near zero after midnight... and will
remain dangerously low through early Saturday morning. Very cold
conditions will persist Saturday... with temperatures quickly
falling into the teens and single digits once again Saturday
night. This will produce wind chill values below zero again
Saturday night through early Sunday morning.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Wind Chill Advisory means that very cold air and strong winds
will combine to generate low wind chills. This will result in
frost bite and lead to hypothermia if precautions are not taken.
If you must venture outdoors... make sure you wear a hat and
gloves.
-----


A bit nipy here with 13F degrees and light snow.  Wind chills below zero Sat and Sun nights.

But our hearts are warm after winning the National Championship!  I only wish Natalee could have seen that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:07:03 AM
Not sure what that visa business is all about.  Does it mean the Kalpoes are on a "No Fly" list of some sort?  I would hope our govt/FBI would be chomping at the bit to get their hands on them. 

But remember Joran was detained by customs for some reason in NYC.  Did we ever find out why?  They did finally allow him to enter, however.  So what could apply to Kalpoes that doesn't Joran?  Nothing I would think.

Also, they could still give deposition in Aruba, couldn't they?  Lame but if they really thought they stood to get all that $800 million or whatever it is, they would be doing just about anything if they really thought they had a case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 02:10:17 AM
Billb - I'm not sure why you found it necessary to post that.  I didn't seen any negativity at all recently to ANY of the posters or any attempt to stop discussion of anything. 
Klaasend.....
mhoo.....
long time posters jumped on Janet because they didn't like her perspective...as in repetition of her posts....also suggested she took posts out of content to promote her own agenda....
I liked the repetition as a reminder of aruba agenda.......
mhoo....
What my point is.......I want everyone's point of view... 
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1032583#msg1032583

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Quote
I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=1.0 

You really should venture out more billb.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink::
Read that TM...Thanks....
MOO...Janet was criticized for her repetitive posts....decided to focus in other areas....
Not because she was done with this thread....she was done with the negativity streaming from the posters on this thread.....
JMO.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:10:18 AM
Thanks for all the news, TxMom.  I continue to read it just about every day.

Guess Aruba thinks the bad economy is only in this country and not the UK?  They are in for a big surprise there as the unemployment rate is the same in the EU as in this country, 10%.

But then they never were really quick on the uptake.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 02:21:25 AM
TexasMom...
I'm not attacking.....I routed for UT..(my bride of 25 yrs (32...counting overtime..) ::MonkeyDance:: is alumni..
Chi omega..my youngest is 4rd term legacy....
I just have (my) issue that so many ganged up (my opinion) on Janet...
I just want to see everyone's opinion on gaining Justice for Natalee...I can always select/discount what is posted...
FWIW....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 09, 2010, 02:24:18 AM
AND I DO appreciate all TM does with bringing articles from aruba forward....I almost understand popafullofshi...oops.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:25:18 AM
Billb - I'm not sure why you found it necessary to post that.  I didn't seen any negativity at all recently to ANY of the posters or any attempt to stop discussion of anything. 
Klaasend.....
mhoo.....
long time posters jumped on Janet because they didn't like her perspective...as in repetition of her posts....also suggested she took posts out of content to promote her own agenda....
I liked the repetition as a reminder of aruba agenda.......
mhoo....
What my point is.......I want everyone's point of view... 
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1032583#msg1032583

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Quote
I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=1.0 

You really should venture out more billb.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink::
Read that TM...Thanks....
MOO...Janet was criticized for her repetitive posts....decided to focus in other areas....
Not because she was done with this thread....she was done with the negativity streaming from the posters on this thread.....
JMO.....



Respect is a two-way street.  And not coming to the same conclusion as someone else is not criticizing them.  We are all entitled to our own opinions because that is all any of our conjectures are, opinions.  No amount of posting makes them facts.  They are still opinions and conjecture. 

And after this length of time we all have our own.  Not everyone is going to bother to explain theirs but that doesn't make theirs invalid.  It doesn't mean they don't "get it" or are illogical.  It only means they have come to a different conclusion as a result of their analysis of the information available.  ALL opinions should be respected.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:31:33 AM
Well, it's just too bad some of you were cheering for the losing team!


 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

Where's Magnolia tonight?  Hope she is not frozen.  Last night we had the strangest notice on TV.  It was from the Civil Defense and NOT the National Weather Station as usual.  I think it was because Birmingham had a major icing event that happened really fast or something like that.  Then we had two counties north and east of B'ham declared emergency state because the roads iced so badly and very quickly.

Hope Magnolia is OK and has heat and is warm and safe.

I wanted to tell her ROLL TIDE!  Which we certainly did!


 ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:41:49 AM

I hope Magnolia's o.k. too!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks for acknowledging the news articles everyone!  I keep hoping I'll find some good news in Natalee's case somewhere along the way.

I appreciate the news that others bring too!  And I look forward to Caesu having the time to come by and fill us in on anything interesting he's come across.  I don't spend a lot of time in the Dutch newspapers.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:47:10 AM
My family had a Dutch visitor for Christmas but they just know what we do.  Did however get to actually watch Peter de Vries.  I wish we did get his program in this country.  I'd watch no matter what he was discussing that week, lol.

I don't see how the judge can do anything other than throw the Kalpoe case out of court if they are unable to give testimony.  I mean he can't just blindly rule in their favor without them presenting their case.  We have the right to face our accusers in this country and that means so does Dr. Phil.

Not sure where that will go but think it is looking like a lost cause for Kalpoes if they can't or won't come here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 09, 2010, 02:51:29 AM
Going to run through the threads and call it a day!

Stay warm all and do hope water pipes are OK and thaw if frozen!  We had a break at apartment complex but was repaired quickly.  But neighbor's heat pump went out!



 ::MonkeyShocked::

So contrary to what it says on the side of the repair van, you CAN stop a TRANE, lol!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Take care and stay warm all monkeys.   ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:58:36 AM
Hi everyone, hiya Klaasend!  It's nice to meet you finally as I see we are here at the same time!  I sure hope 2010 is the year we see justice for Natalee.  Texasmom, thanks again for the beautiful pictures of a life that has vanished from her family..... all along, someone knows and someone can end this.  It breaks my heart........ so I keep praying.........!  Oh, thanks for the candle reminders too!  It's freezing in Houston, literally for over 48 hours...... brrrr!  Stay warm everyone!

You're welcome Sharon/Tx!  I feel the same about someone being able to end this, and I keep praying too!

Stay warm!    ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:59:44 AM
Going to run through the threads and call it a day!

Stay warm all and do hope water pipes are OK and thaw if frozen!  We had a break at apartment complex but was repaired quickly.  But neighbor's heat pump went out!



 ::MonkeyShocked::

So contrary to what it says on the side of the repair van, you CAN stop a TRANE, lol!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Take care and stay warm all monkeys.   ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::

Good night Anna, take care and stay warm!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 03:01:05 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 03:11:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2010, 08:04:08 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67171.php

After 34 years Marathon Mix bankrupt
January 8, 2010, 13:08 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Lovers of movies and games today and tomorrow can contact the Marathon Super Video rental stores. The family business is sales because the Saturday after 34 years presence in Aruba finally closes its doors. That leaves manager Greg Carvalhal this newspaper know.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

The bankruptcy of the company Marathon Electronics is likely next week pronounced. The remaining seven employees of the company are over the street. "They have been two months informed of the situation. In December we gave the staff a few weeks paid leave, so they had the opportunity to seek other employment, "said Carvalhal. The management was then himself in the shops. Self is the manager next week also looking for a job.

"The video market is no longer" said the manager. "Our audience is all computers and laptops. Movies are simply downloaded. I expect that within a few years no more video store on the island. "The bankruptcy is inevitable, he says. "We have done everything. The turnover increased, decreased costs, increased marketing, you name it. But it was useless. "
The process was accelerated when its Valero refinery ceased production. "Following the closure of Valero increased revenues from our offices in San Nicolas and Savaneta by 50 percent. People have less money to spend. "Until last October the company had five locations on the island. San Nicolas and his first Savaneta closed. The company continued with offices in Orange City, Northern and Santa Cruz. But those sites are now closed.

Given the conclusion takes Marathon Sale. All films are sold at rents. A DVD costs 7.50 florin and video games are sold at 20 florin. The blue-ray movies cost 15 florin each. Today is the location in Orange City opened three hours from noon to ten hours at night. On Saturday, the establishment of open twelve hours in the afternoon to ten hours at night. The branches in Northern and Santa Cruz are open Friday and Saturday two hours from noon to ten hours at night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2010, 08:05:58 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67169.php

Jossy rightly remains Herrera
January 8, 2010, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - In Sabana Liber was yesterday afternoon the body of a man found. After the wife of the missing since late July, Jose del Carmen Herrera, known as Jossy, trousers and a belt from him identified, the family expects the body from him. The police is the first research have confirmed.

A group of young people in Sabana Liber to hunt iguanas was found parts of a skeleton and some clothes on. They warned the police immediately. Agents, investigators and technical staff of the technical research team thrilled to spot the remains and took them for further investigation. When news of the discovery spread, some were relatives of missing persons to the spot long to see whether the 'lost their' went. Eventually the woman identified him from Jossy.

Cause of death
For the police this is the end unfinished. "It is likely that it goes to Jossy Herrera. We would however be confirmed, "said police spokesman Papito Comenencia. For this reason, the found remains unreleased to the family. The police would also know the cause of death. It is difficult to give Comenencia. "This is bone. There is only one part of the skeleton. Since everything can be done. Dogs may have moved or taken such bones. We know not whether we send the remains to the Netherlands or a local pathologist will perform a forensic investigation. "The police spokesman declined to say which parts of the skeleton are found and whether the bones found traces of violence show.

Jose del Carmen Herrera, known as a composer of Christmas and Mother's songs, on July 31, 2009 ran away from the psychiatric department of the Horacio Oduber Hospital. There he voluntarily sought treatment for severe depression and addiction to sleeping pills. Reportedly he was, emaciated and confused in the first days after his disappearance reported near Alto Vista and Bushiribana. The police, search and rescue organization Sarfa and the Red Cross organized several searches in north coast of the island, but without success. His wife was found several times in vain to look remains, to see if they were her husband. So yesterday was the case. She continues with three children.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 09, 2010, 08:33:15 AM
Thanks, klaas -- and thanks, klaas  ::MonkeyKiss::

Good morning Monkey friends and thanks for all you do  ::MonkeyAngel::

46 degrees and falling -- in Miami, for goodness sake.

OT Anna -- Burn Notice starts up on Jan 21  ::MonkeyDance::



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!!!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 09, 2010, 09:13:26 AM
BLAST FROM THE PAST (sorry I did not save link, but it's from SM front page)


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 11

According to Fox News scroll and the AP; a fourth suspect has been arrested in Aruba in conjunction with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The investigators are not discussing it at this time. Thanks to the Riehl World for the initial information. Looks as though the AP is now confirming it as well. Also, thanks to Chris Lupo for the tip this morning!

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway, 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

*** PRESS CONFERENCE AT 4:00PM EDT *** via ArubaTag

Bondia, a local paper in Papiomento, is saying

However, sources of Bon Dia Aruba confirmed that none [referring to a confession being made] of this is true and that very probably authorities are going to take steps against the two media outlets. Already Commisionary Dompig assured that he was going to ask for AP to rectify their story and from what he could understand, AP agreed to do so.” (Translation by Aruba Girl)

Local Radio is reporting that the Prime Minister is upset that CNN is not retracting the story. (Hat tip Leila)

1015 - Van der Straten (head of investigation) on the air, he defends his police department. Info is false about confession. They’re investigating still. (Liela)

Police Official said that the news was not correct, and pleaded trough TOP FM to give their investigation team a chance to work on the case. According to Police Official Mr. Jan van de Straten this kind of false news is ruining their investigation. (Teo)  ::MonkeyShovel::

1035 Local Radio has a call in show going, the conversation is all about CNN calling itself the most trusted name in news and they are not telling the truth! The population is very upset, very upset!

1041 Press Conference starting very soon

Prosecution service is giving information, “At this moment neither confirm or deny information from any sources, they are at a crucial moment in the investigation, and they have 5 suspects in custody.” (not exact, but very close)

Press conference ends.

The Dutch legal system has 6 hours before they need to give the status of a detainee. So the person who was picked up today is not officially a suspect

Amy has this news (not confirmed)

Blood has been found in the silver Honda Civic impounded Thursday by officials, this car is supposedly owned by the suspect detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot.
The biological parents of Natalee Holloway had supposedly taken blood tests yesterday, to confirm if the blood found in the car is indeed from Natalee. The results are known. Hopefully this will be revealed in the press conference of this morning at 10 AM. This news is yet to be confirmed TOM - It was not confirmed at the press conference.


HyScience wonders “Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ….. ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a ’seller’ ? ” Pure supposition, but an interesting thought.

Fox News Television is reporting that Suspect has confessed to killing Natalee. via HyScience. Local coverage still has not said so.

(Red) Whether the confession story turns out to be true or not; it was irresponsible of CNN to go with it before the family was ever notified first. Then the rest of the media followed. No one should ever find out their child may have passed away by the media. CNN - The compassionate news network. (Red)

UPDATE - 1:45 pm - Family feeling the strain of this experience. I cannot even imagine the stress and strain and the toll that this would take upon an individual? Remember, what this is all about, Natalee & her family.

Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, is feeling the strain, her brother-in-law told the AP as prosecutors prepared to make a statement Saturday morning.

When asked whether she was holding up, Tom “Jar” Twitty said, “No … She has had amazing stamina up until now, but …”

The women in the family remained sequestered in their hotel rooms while the Twitty brothers stood in the lobby, looking stressed amid a gay scene of tourists pouring onto a brightly colored bus outside advertising “Xtreme Party Cruise.”

That is tough and has to be heart breaking.

Hat Tip: RunningFromArlene

June 11th, 2005 at 09:54am Posted by Scared Monkeys | Natalee Holloway |


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 09, 2010, 10:12:50 AM
Good morning...!

How quickly that brings us right back to those early days.  I was so naive.  I believed
that something was really happening...that the police were competent...that the
family would know at any time.

When the blood became chocolate....that was an aruban eye-opener.

There were so many more.  I would bet that the Kalpoes do not want to take a
chance at meeting our FBI and finding the chocolate turned out to be blood in
a real lab. 

Sharon..thanks.

OT....temp 12



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 10:53:06 AM
Good morning...!

How quickly that brings us right back to those early days.  I was so naive.  I believed
that something was really happening...that the police were competent...that the
family would know at any time.

When the blood became chocolate....that was an aruban eye-opener.

There were so many more.  I would bet that the Kalpoes do not want to take a
chance at meeting our FBI and finding the chocolate turned out to be blood in
a real lab. 

Sharon..thanks.

OT....temp 12



Yes, it does take us back Mere!   ::MonkeyMad:: 

I was very naive too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Sharon.    ::MonkeyAngel::

O/T Temp 19, I think it's warmed up some!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Are we ever going to find out about that investigation of Van der Straaten?   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 11:44:16 AM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 12:30:30 PM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!



I'm so glad to hear that you and Hudson are safe and warm!  Poor Hudson, I hope he'll recover from his battle wounds soon!  I'm so glad you have him...and I can just imagine you going after the attackers with that broom!   ::MonkeyDance:: 

Ever since Klaas posted that last picture of witchypoo I've thought about a thousand times how much better I'd feel if I could just b_tch slap her one good time!  That stupid ho obviously doesn't believe in karma.  Or maybe she just gets lost in the bottle too much and can't control the lies that spew in her stupors...either way I do believe she'll get what she deserves one day.
I hope it's soon!   ::MonkeySkate::

I agree about the attacks.  The negativity was not one sided either. 

From my perspective Janet has never hesitated to attack or attempt to discredit any post I or any other poster here has made that she doesn't agree with, regardless of how outdated or unrelated the "back up" she uses to do it with is.  I find it hard to believe that she didn't expect some negativity when the subject she chose and speculation regarding it is the total opposite of Beth's description of the same.  It was her choice to make that parting comment that I posted a snip of for billb last night, so why keep trying to stir it all up again...how does that help anything?

And I actually thought there had been some pretty good discussions taking place before those comments last night too!   ::MonkeyConfused::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 12:33:27 PM


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-09/chavez-devalues-bolivar-50-first-time-since-
2005-update1-.html

Chavez Devalues Bolivar 50%, First Time Since 2005 (Update1)
January 09, 2010, 11:47 AM EST
 

   

(Adds percent of imports at preferential rate in the 11th paragraph.)
By Daniel Cancel
Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuela devalued its currency by half yesterday, the first such action since March 2005, as President Hugo Chavez seeks to pull the economy from recession amid falling oil revenue.
Chavez said the bolivar will be devalued to 4.3 per dollar from 2.15 per dollar for most imports. A second, subsidized peg of 2.60 bolivars per dollar will be used for importing food, medicine and machinery intended to boost the economy’s competitiveness.
The Central Bank, which agreed yesterday to transfer $7 billion in reserves to the government, will “intervene” to prop up the bolivar in the unregulated parallel market, Chavez said, without providing details.
(snip)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 09, 2010, 12:48:45 PM
This was one of my favorite documents, and since it's a quiet day, I thought I'd repost it   ::MonkeyCool::

Blessings to all who will not quit until Natalee and her family receive justice  ::MonkeyKiss::



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0

Aruba – Surely You Know?

 
D. HOLLOWAY: They're the last -- those three boys were the last ones with Natalee. And they hold the answers.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/lkl.01.html

JUG TWITTY: I've already faced him face to face that night. I faced his father face to face. And you can look at somebody, Nancy, and tell if they are lying or not. And he's just -- it's pathetic.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/lkl.01.html


GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: From the beginning, Beth and I were there that very first night. And I still believe that, of course, Joran is involved, Deepak`s involved, and the father is involved.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/28/ng.01.html


BETH TWITTY: "we've known from day one that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this crime with Natalee
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/18/lkl.01.html




1- Aruba, surely you know the United States of America was founded on justice for all. Yet you have denied justice to an American citizen and her family.


2- Aruba, surely you know the questionable tactics used in investigating the Natalee Holloway case would be easily recognized and exposed. Yet you did them anyway.


3- Aruba, surely you know Jan Van Straten is a close friend of main suspect Joran Van Der Sloot’s father, Paulus. Yet you allowed him to continue for months as Lead Investigator of the case.


4- Aruba, surely you know the Dutch judges’ decisions were highly suspect and biased in favor of the Van Der Sloots. Yet you allowed them to stand anyway.


5- Aruba, surely you know it is never good to blame a victim for their own death. Yet you have tried to blame Natalee for hers.



6- Aruba, surely you know it is never a good idea to trash the family of a victim of a crime on your soil. Yet you trashed the Holloway Twitty families constantly.



7 -Aruba, surely you know that Natalee was kidnapped - or do you actually believe that the other "twenty" went "willingly" too?



8 -Aruba, surely you know that killers who hide from justice will surely strike again.  Yet you’ve let them go free.



9 -Aruba, surely you know that Paulus held his "no body, no case" meeting on May 30, after Natalee was murdered by his son?  Yet you awarded him money for his obstruction in this case.

10 - Aruba, surely you know that all those missing files and statements made by the "Dutch Boy" didn't walk away from the file cabinet by themselves? Yet you’ve held no one accountable for that.

11 - Aruba, surely you know that dropping GHB into an innocent unknowing tourist's drink, doesn't turn the tourist into "willing" and "wanting" to be kidnapped, raped and killed?  Yet you’ve charged no one with these crimes.



12 - Aruba, surely you know that the rich Dutch elite in your society are the ones who benefited from this travesty of justice?  Yet the framed black security guards are still considered suspects.

13 - Aruba, surely you know that Dompig was fired and never "retired"?  Yet you continue to promote this falsehood.

14 -Aruba, surely you know that what goes around, comes around again? Yet you keep obfuscating the truth.

15 - Aruba, surely you don't buy Joran's story that he left Natalee "on the beach"? Your polis don’t believe that story – yet you’ve not re-detained him to try to get to the truth.

16 -Aruba, surely you know that Joran raped and murdered Natalee and his accomplices raped her too.  Yet they are all still walking free.


17 - Aruba, surely you know that allowing Paulus Van der Sloot to drive himself to jail in his own car when you arrested him would send a clear message of corruption and your intent to make a farce out of this investigation.  Yet you allowed him to do it.

18 -Aruba, surely you know that Natalee did not willingly go with three "Arubans" knowing that she would be kidnapped, raped and murdered.  Yet you allowed your polis to attack her character.

19 – Aruba, surely you know there are corrupt cops in your dept.  Yet they have faced no punishment.

20 – Aruba, surely you know the computers were tampered with.  Yet you failed to have them forensically analyzed.

21 – Aruba, surely you know the missing documents from Joran’s file were taken by Paulus van der Sloot.  Yet you failed to hold him accountable for that.

22 – Aruba, surely you know the Security Guards were set up.  Yet you have not charged those witnesses for lying.

23 - Aruba, surely you know that you cannot drug, rape and murder an American tourist and not pay a heavy price for it.
 

Aruba, Surely you know we will never give up until Natalee and her family receive justice!

Natalee's Freebirds


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 09, 2010, 12:55:23 PM
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
That's one of my favorites too Sharon, thanks for posting it!   ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!
 
 ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 12:59:29 PM
Thanks Sharon, that is a great document and it is all so true. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2010, 01:03:14 PM
Hi, everyone....



Hospitality Net - Article
For more news visit: http://www.hospitalitynet.org
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The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, L.L.C. Adds To Caribbean Presence With Exclusive Resort Project In Aruba
The Ritz-Carlton, Aruba: Set for 2012 opening
8 January 2010



The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, L.L.C. and the Government of Aruba announce plans to open The Ritz-Carlton, Aruba, an exclusive 320-room oceanfront resort situated on the Caribbean island’s famed Palm Beach. The resort will offer several restaurants, a luxurious spa, two swimming pools, 24-hour casino and Ambassadors of the Environment® by Jean-Michel Cousteau family program, which introduces young guests to Aruba’s natural wonders and cultural traditions. In addition to spacious rooms and suites, the hotel will include The Ritz-Carlton Club, a private floor accessible only by elevator key and offering light fare and dedicated concierge service throughout the day.


The Ritz-Carlton, Aruba, projected to open in late 2012, will be the seventh location in The Ritz-Carlton portfolio of award winning Caribbean properties, joining existing hotels in St. Thomas (U.S. Virgin Islands), Jamaica, Grand Cayman, Puerto Rico, Mexico and The Bahamas.

“Aruba is an island destination with growing appeal to the discerning travelers from Europe and the United States. Its spectacular beaches and magnificent views make the island one of those exceptional places in the Southern Caribbean, blending serenity and scenic attractions our guests seek when planning a vacation,” said Ezzat Coutry, senior vice president, Southeast Region, Caribbean and Latin America, The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company L.L.C. “It is an extraordinary location for luxury development on the island,” added Coutry.

Located off the coast of Venezuela, Aruba is renowned for miles of white powder sand beaches and crystal blue water that boasts a warm tropical climate year-round. The 21 mile-long island is situated on the southern part of the Caribbean Sea and features many diverse influences as a result of its rich history. The Ritz-Carlton, Aruba is located in Palm Beach, home to some of the island’s finest beaches. Lush tropical surroundings and a balmy temperature allow for swimming, sunbathing and relaxation by the water. The resort will bring a new level of elegance in accommodations and amenities to the island.


ABOUT THE RITZ-CARLTON HOTEL COMPANY, L.L.C. | The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, L.L.C., of Chevy Chase, Md., currently operates 73 hotels in the Americas, Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and the Caribbean. More than 30 hotel and residential projects are under development around the globe with future openings including Dubai International Financial Centre, United Arab Emirates; Dove Mountain, Tucson, Arizona; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Lake Tahoe, California. The Ritz-Carlton is the only service company to have twice earned the prestigious Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award, which recognizes outstanding customer service. For more information, or reservations, contact a travel professional, call toll free in the U.S. 1-800-241-3333, or visit the company web site at www.ritzcarlton.com. The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, L.L.C. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Marriott International, Inc. (NYSE: MAR)

CONTACT
Vivian Deuschl
Corporate Vice President, Public Relations
Phone: 703/941-6225
Fax: 703/941-7492
Email: vivian.deuschl@ritzcarlton.com


ORGANIZATION
The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, L.L.C.
www.ritzcarlton.com
4445 Willard Avenue - Suite 800
USA - Chevy Chase, MD 20815
Phone: (703) 941-6225
Fax: 703-941-7492
Email: info@ritzcarlton.com

http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/154000320/4044912.search?query=aruba+news




 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 01:16:48 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2010, 01:24:19 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Thanks, Magnolia.  When I read that article, I thought I remembered conflict about it's development and it not going through.   I guess $ talks....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 01:58:01 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Thanks, Magnolia.  When I read that article, I thought I remembered conflict about it's development and it not going through.   I guess $ talks....



IIRC some of the most recent articles I recall about it was that the funding for it had not been secured. 

It would probably be interesting to know where that funding came from now...  JMO ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 09, 2010, 02:00:36 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Apparently Simian was not against it........... ::MonkeyJnBox::

(Hi 2NJ ::HelloKitty:: I think I missed everyone again. lol)


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/21/beth-twitty-and-the-van-der-sloots-meet/

The FBI is all up in this case. There is the simple point of JURISDICTION. The Dutch Kingdom is a sovereign country. It will hurt the case if the defense at some point in the future will suggest that the FBI interferred with the rights of the accused.

Look Aruba up properly, The US has an immigration and customs pre-clearing post in Aruba. We have a FOL (Forward Operating Location) for the US (Look up what that is!). The US has been investting in Aruba since 1929. We have MAJOR chains of American multi-national hotels in Aruba. The Ritz-Carlton is set to built in Aruba.

Do you think we WANT to f*** it up with the Americans???

The government and the Judicial Branch has allowed anything the family has asked for. The FBI, Miami-Dade Police, Dogs and now a Texan search team. Anything they wanted. Except…compromise the
investigation.

Comment by Simian | June 22, 2005, 12:24 pm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:09:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67230.php

Google translation:

Logos Hope can still sell books


January 9, 2010, 12:03 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-pag-03-logos-rechtszaak.gif)

Lawyer Hendrik Croes after the interim order on the sale of books of the missionary ship Logos Hope.

ORANGE CITY - The missionary ship Logos Hope can still sell books. That the court decided yesterday that the foundation after an interim Peniel Baptist Church on behalf of the ship has filed against the government.

The missionary ship that docked last Wednesday may now, by Father Thomas Martis of Peniel Baptist Church, book sales but must pay this tax and bbo.

Previously it was Michelle Hooijboer-Winklaar Minister of Economic Affairs, Social Affairs and Culture for permission to sell books, because there would be a settlement and because the interests of local bookshops in the proceedings would be. During treatment brought the lawyers and Allan Kuster Vinda de Sousa on behalf of the Government argued that in November the Logos Hope was proposed to trade in their books through a local bookstore or organization smoothly.

Logos Hope it worked, from the sale of books according to their costs, not to do it they get, and finally before the arrival of the ship by the Minister announced that, unlike previous years, there no permission would be granted for the sale of books.

The missionary ship comes to Aruba since 1987 and to date the Aruban government had no objection to their sales. This argument brought their lawyer, Henry Croes, also highlighted. Besides a ban would infringe the universal right to exercise religion, expression and dissemination of literature. The lawyers said the government this time that the government does not interfere with their right to expression wanted. In addition, not only religious books sold on the Logos Hope, said the advisers of the government.

The ship will remain until January 17 in the port of Oranjestad and is open daily. Besides selling books to members of the ship also carried for prison and hospital visiting. They also share out food to homeless people on the island. On the ship itself, various activities organized for youth and adults. Thus erv tours and activities for children, including seminars for married couples, and of course prayer events. One of the bigger events is an AIDS / HIV benefit concert by gospel singer Martin Fire on Friday, January 15. More information about the ship on www.logoshope.org.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:13:11 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67228.php

Google translation:

Stanford Aruba bankrupt

January 9, 2010, 12:03 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The court on December 11 last year the Aruban establishment of the Stanford Group declared bankrupt. Jeannot is the curator to Cuba and appointed in accordance with its law firm Van Eps, Kunneman, Van Doorne has established "millions" of guilt.

How many millions it does, the firm can not tell. There were not many creditors have been reported since the news of the bankruptcy until this week known. "But it is a great Aruba bankruptcy," said one employee. The company, with eight employees, has among others a substantial debt to the landlord. The office of Stanford Group Aruba was on the second floor of the Marisol Building LG Smith Boulevard. It is not officially a bank - it is located in Antigua - but a representation which is operational since 1989. The Belgian-Dutch Fingers Hoedt was French director, and under his leadership were also known brochures with high interest rates offered.
When the law on credit institutions (LTK) was introduced ten years later, the office received the attention of the Central Bank. This was concerned about the practice of Stanford and Aruba has issued several interviews conducted with them. This assured that no Stanford deposits below the 100,000 florin be done, something that is against the law.

Victims
Stanford is not formally monitored by the Central Bank, because the company is not in the commercial bank as it is registered as an investment consultant. Two law firms in Aruba have emerged as advocates for the victims. These include at HBN Law, who also represents injured clients of the Netherlands Antilles. Caroline explains that Fievez advocate for her clients only progress in the Stanford International Bank in Antigua can be done. "There is the money paid." The curator, who claims all the world to identify the Stanford Group, says it certainly will take a decade before we see some of their money back.

Central Bank indicted
Martin James & Associates, the other law firm in Aruba that helps victims. But the firm does so in any other way. Lawyer Gabri de Hoogt has a fifty victims on behalf the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) charged with inadequate supervision on the activities of Stanford Aruba. To this end, the Foundation established Stanford Aruba, so called in a class action structure the Central Bank for the justice. September last year filed a claim with the Court of First Instance. The Bank, according to the lawyer replied that they do not take liability. In February, the Hoogt expects to submit the reply. "Stanford Group Aruba presented itself as a true investment consultant, but acted as a credit. People had money, and that was subsequently transferred. "The lawyer meets Stanford Aruba so the description in the law on credit institutions (LTK) and the Central Bank had to be necessary. "It is not known how the creature, but what does the creature."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:21:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67229.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Record number of cruise tourists

January 9, 2010, 12:03 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The port of Oranjestad Last year a record 606,970 cruise tourists welcome. More than 16,000 tourists more than in record year 2006. This, the Aruba Cruise Tourism Authority (ACTA) and Aruba Ports Authority (APA) announced yesterday afternoon. January 2009 was almost 100,000 cruise tourists the best Mon

ACTA informs that among cruise tourists are counted only those who called Aruba a cruise passenger fee charged. The 2009 report by Business Research and Economic Advisors (BREA) over the period 2008-2009 by a total of cruise tourism 46.2 million U.S. dollars spent. This represents an average of $ 183.55 per cruise group of 2 persons. In the same report we read that about 40 percent of the crew of a cruise ship disembarking in Aruba. In the 2008-2009 cruise season, which were about 93.000 people with a combined purchasing power of 6.5 million U.S. dollars. This number is also not counted in the number of cruise tourists.

Cruise Tourism is one of the industries by ACTA that despite the crisis continue to generate revenue for the ports and companies in Aruba and the Caribbean. Expectation is that the cruise tourism this year will have more problems from the effects of the recession. The Cruise Authority is also proactively involved in cooperation, communication and the establishment of strategic partnerships for the effects of the recession at minimum. As the example shows ACTA contacts with Carnival Cruise Lines and the Florida Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA). "Of course we will continue good cooperation with Minister of Tourism, Transport and Labor Otmar Oduber (AVP), APA and the Aruban Tourist."

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2010, 02:26:16 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Apparently Simian was not against it........... ::MonkeyJnBox::

(Hi 2NJ ::HelloKitty:: I think I missed everyone again. lol)


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/21/beth-twitty-and-the-van-der-sloots-meet/

The FBI is all up in this case. There is the simple point of JURISDICTION. The Dutch Kingdom is a sovereign country. It will hurt the case if the defense at some point in the future will suggest that the FBI interferred with the rights of the accused.

Look Aruba up properly, The US has an immigration and customs pre-clearing post in Aruba. We have a FOL (Forward Operating Location) for the US (Look up what that is!). The US has been investting in Aruba since 1929. We have MAJOR chains of American multi-national hotels in Aruba. The Ritz-Carlton is set to built in Aruba.

Do you think we WANT to f*** it up with the Americans???

The government and the Judicial Branch has allowed anything the family has asked for. The FBI, Miami-Dade Police, Dogs and now a Texan search team. Anything they wanted. Except…compromise the
investigation.

Comment by Simian | June 22, 2005, 12:24 pm


 :smt039   Hi, Sharon.  Good to see you and glad you can  ::MonkeyShovel:: up goodies from way back.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:27:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67225.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Aruba Security & Crime Prevention: "Insurance Premium is paid"

January 9, 2010, 12:00 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Security & Crime Prevention (ACP), the security and cash transport robberies in late November, was not aware that they are not insured by Nagico. "Both insurance intermediary Nagico Nos. Seguro not have to tell ACP. This suggests that Kock Monica lawyer acting on behalf of ACP.

The counselor will usually via the media does not comment on ongoing cases. "But there are things said that are not right and I want to correct," says Kock. Thus Nagico not pay to ACP, because they have not paid their insurance. "That is not true. My client's insurance paid each month through its intermediary and assumed that she was well insured. "After the robbery in late November at the office of Aruba Security & Crime Prevention, in which one million florin was captured, the company laid down a claim . "Initially when Nos. Seguro and then at Nagico. Only then did my client found out that she is no longer assured. "The policy was apparently all ended in April 2008. "Nagico the ACP through the intermediary of insurance ended, because the risk of the insurance was too high. She has also just failed to pass ACP. "

Appeal
The security money and doing its best to transport the one million florin still claiming. In late December showed the company seize the bank account of Nagico. The court however decided that the herd had to be removed, because the claim could not be proved. The lawyer said that ACP is currently being considered whether an appeal against the decision of the court is set. They also let all parties know that ACP has invited for an interview, to see if there is a mutual solution could be found. "My client wants a solution so they can pay their own customers. Their money is stolen and they would not have to have to wait until this matter is finalized. "
ACP emphasizes that its customers, including Taco Bell and Valero, will not have to worry about the amount removed. The security and cash transport company for its customers now found another insurance company.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67226.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Third suspension sports lottery

January 9, 2010, 12:00 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Sharleen Hengeveld, spokesman for Foundation Lotto Pa Deporte, by the Board of Directors of the Foundation a few days suspended. Earlier this week, general manager and financial director Ricky Endy Croes Croes also sent home by the Council. They are inactive pending the outcome of an internal investigation.

It is said that Angel Field on the radio have made statements to her colleagues Croes to defend the government has decided to suspend her. The Board of Directors has announced an internal investigation which include the (financial) policy of the sports lottery is taken under the microscope. Vinda de Sousa, spokesman and secretary of the Board of Directors of Lotto Pa Deporte said earlier this week that "everything is vetted" during the investigation. "The accounts of Lotto is examined by the Central Audit Department (CAD) and the Curacao office of accounting firm Ernst & Young. The process as quickly and with minimal resistance smoothly, we have two men decided to put on non-active. "The investigation is expected in about two months completed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:36:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67227.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Auto Dump Tamarijn fire

January 9, 2010, 12:00 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-pag-03-brand-tamarijn-_t.gif)

A fire at a landfill in Tamarijn car last night has made for smoke nuisance.

ORANGE CITY - A fire at a landfill of cars in Tamarijn Friday night caused smoke nuisance in the surrounding area. Reportedly held the smoke until after ten hours at night residents from their sleep and was up in the smoke nuisance and Nune Jaburibari to it. The fire itself started around the clock to half past four in the afternoon, but raged into the evening. The fire brigade arrived half an hour later. "I just looked at it and instructed the captain to let only so that we and the next morning pulse height would take." This decision was also not determined the fire service readily accepted by some local residents who pointed to a number of respiratory problems in of them. Gabriel Kelly, also a fireman and the fire service spokesman said its equipment unnecessarily at risk to have to bring. "I know from experience that these fires do not usually put out and after two to three weeks naturally burn," said Kelly. According to Kelly, the fire caused by the Tamarijn alongside cars also other debris deposited there. "The trouble is that the environment in the future continue to smoke nuisance." Amigoe him by phone when he reached the spot by chance. "We would rather come to the morning but had to fire in a container Red Sail Sports at the hotels."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 02:49:49 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Thanks, Magnolia.  When I read that article, I thought I remembered conflict about it's development and it not going through.   I guess $ talks....



IIRC some of the most recent articles I recall about it was that the funding for it had not been secured. 

It would probably be interesting to know where that funding came from now...  JMO ::MonkeyWink::


Didn't the 4 headed CapsLockWizard post that the Shango riddle was about the Ritz Carlton at one time?
Something about two puzzles....one about Natalee and one about the Ritz Carlton?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
She doesn't like Papiamento either!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67224.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

100-year-old Olga Ramirez: "If I could only turn back time"

January 9, 2010, 11:58 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/09-pag-05-100jarige-olga-ra.gif)

Infirm but also as healthy as a fish. The origin of Venezuelan Olga Ramirez celebrates its 100th anniversary in Cas Betesta.

ORANGE CITY - "If I had a time machine, then I tackled my life is quite different," said Olga Ramirez today has become a century old. The 100-year old moved into the thirties from her native Rio Hacha, Colombia by ship to Aruba. She met her sister, who already lived here, helping with the children. "If not for my sister had been lying, I never came to Aruba," says Ramirez.

by our reporter
Shade Cybulkiewicz

Ramirez is one of the few people in this world a century to celebrate. "I have no recipe for perfect health to get the 100 years. My whole life I have eaten and done everything and have never done sports or something. "Despite the 100-year old well. Says one of the staff of the home where she lives that Ramirez is the only one of 20 other elderly people who reside in the home, whose memory, hearing and vision is so good. "She's very sharp and has a memory from here to Tokyo and do not take any medication," says Patricia Davila employee of the home Betesta Cas.

Regret
If Ramirez looks back at how her life has expired, she has many regrets. "I've been so hard here on the island," she regrets. She says about her marriage. "I had a man that I was married about 20 years, I was really unhappy with him. I also never able to master language Papiamento, and that has always been an obstacle here on the island. "Ramirez will not like the language Papiamento. According to her Papiamento a Spanish language version of the sick. If Ramirez could turn back time, she never moved to Aruba, but simply remained in Colombia. Furthermore, she hates to travel by ship and by air. "The sky is for the birds and the sea for fish," she notes. Highlights and happy moments in her life knows Ramirez not to mention. But she said not long to live longer. "What good is it to live like nothing you can do for yourself. I sit all day long in this home and can even do anything and also I have no family here. "

Today is the 100th anniversary of Ramirez in the Cas Betesta celebrated. Thus, all media are also invited and nieces for the occasion from Colombia to Ramirez 'birthday to celebrate with her. In addition there is also a ceremony held by a pastor. When the year was asked whether she is looking forward to celebrating, she was not really aware. So she responded: "It will all be. I do not see why it should be celebrated. I don 't care. "Finally she gave advice to all young women as not just someone to marry. "Before you know it you must maintain the man," the 100-year old.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 02:57:40 PM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Thanks, Magnolia.  When I read that article, I thought I remembered conflict about it's development and it not going through.   I guess $ talks....



IIRC some of the most recent articles I recall about it was that the funding for it had not been secured. 

It would probably be interesting to know where that funding came from now...  JMO ::MonkeyWink::

Didn't the 4 headed CapsLockWizard post that the Shango riddle was about the Ritz Carlton at one time?
Something about two puzzles....one about Natalee and one about the Ritz Carlton?

Yes.  Wonder where he got that idea?   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 03:10:48 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15123/8/

Papiamentu translation:

piscado owing to hoga (drown) at mangel high

saturday, 09 january 2010 - 13:54

saturday morning late some amigo cu owing to go throw reda at mangel high. at dado instant the coriente strong of lama owing to rancanan y owing to take away he c. henricus, naci at year 1952 y live at spaans lagoen. click read more for more info... after of this the amigonan owing to lose he y cu boat of police y helicopter owing to cuminsa one accion of buskeda on sea. after of one rato buscando, owing to come find the curpa without life of he some pazuid of mangel high near of one piece island. famianan cu owing to arrive at the sitio owing to keep on arrival of they being keri in boat at platform of barcadera. condolencia at famianan of the fayecido.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 09, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
Great pic of that boat, TM.  Gives a better perspective of the size.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 09, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Sharon....thanks for your post and for the link...

             http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.0

It will keep you busy for hours.  Think I will send some of that material
to those cruise lines which are bringing all of those US dollars to Aruba.


Good evening friends....!


OT....snowing, 12 degrees (did you know that Klaas opened a Weather thread under
the News section....she started with her area pictures...sun and the 60's)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 09, 2010, 08:54:20 PM
Hello Janet.....nothing new from aruba other than trying to bleed Beth and Dave's funds dry....
Another slow night....I guess the majority here would rather have no discussions than a discussion on a point of view they view repetitive...
Kinda cuts out discussions.....Not sure how the helps Beth, Dave, and Natalee......but what do I know...
I guess I'll just wait.... ::MonkeyCool::


Hi billb

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 09:39:17 PM
TM, Where is that Church Lady when you need her? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
TM, Where is that Church Lady when you need her? ::MonkeyTongue::

I think she's at the Cowboys game, but I'll text her and see if she'll check in during half time!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 09:53:09 PM
TM, Where is that Church Lady when you need her? ::MonkeyTongue::

I think she's at the Cowboys game, but I'll text her and see if she'll check in during half time!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 09, 2010, 10:25:20 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78020

Many Good Things Await Aruba In 2010, But The Island Has Big Challenges Too.

January 8th 2010, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Arubans view the year 2010 with great optimism. The newly
elected government has ambitious plans for the island in 2010. A few of
the campaign promises of the elected government have already been
accomplished in the past 60 days. The government has managed to
convince KLM to restart direct flights from Amsterdam to Aruba as of
February 2010. The flights were suspended in March of 2009 due to market
conditions. One of the biggest campaign promises is the elimination of
the turn over tax of 3 percent. The government has gradually reduced the
turn over tax by 1.5 percent effective as of January 1st 2010, and will
eliminate the turn over tax entirely by 2011. In addition the government
has increased welfare assistance by 25 percent effective as of January 1st
2010, this to make up for the lost of purchasing power of the last 8 years.


The government will spend additional millions of U.S. dollars on
aggressive marketing of the island as a tourism destination abroad, big
infrastructure expansion and upgrade projects, fighting crime, invest in a
much safer traffic, renovation of the island's city centers, increase of
household purchasing power, investments in education, more focus on the
island's environment, and overall well being of the citizens.


Tourism

An increase of between two and five percent in stay-over arrivals is
projected for the island in 2010. The Minister of Tourism is working on
privatizing Aruba Tourism Authority, and is aiming at attracting visitors
who are likely to spend more on purchasing goods and services on the
island. The Minister of Tourism is also working on reinstalling an airlift
taskforce with the aim to maintain good relations with present carriers
flying to the island, to attract new carriers, and to open new gateways.
Much focus will be put on diversifying the tourism generating markets for
Aruba, mainly through attracting more visitors from Europe, South America
and the United States west coast. Aruba is very dependent on stay-over
visitors from the United States east coast, which makes the island
economy vulnerable.


Education

The government wants to spend millions on renovating the island’s
schools in 2010. A new high-school will be constructed in the district of
Noord, and a few schools will be expanded to accommodate more
students. The government wants to reintroduce obligatory military service,
this mainly to reinforce discipline among the island's youth. The
government will subsidize part of the costs of school books for students.
To fight the island’s brain drain, students who return to Aruba within three
years after completing their studies abroad will have their Aruban study
loan exempted.


Cities

Oranjestad and San Nicolas are at the dawn of renaissance. One of the
government’s biggest priority in the 4 year period is to rejuvenate the
downtown areas of both cities. Oranjestad will be again a vibrant city, and
the place to be which it once was. The renovation of the mainstreet in
Oranjestad and surrounding streets ( including Wilhelmina Straat) is set to
start in mid January 2010. The government will go ahead with the master
plan to relocate the container harbour from Oranjestad, and have the
cruise terminal expanded to accommodate more cruise vessels. The
waterfront area of the city will be expanded with parks and squares. In
addition, the government wants to bring back the fruit and vegetables
market back to waterfront Oranjestad. The downtown area of San Nicolas
will be developed and renovated into a Caribbean style city with the focus
on the city's past as a melting pot of Caribbean cultures.


Infrastructure

The government has requested a study on the feasibility for a 4 lane
highway between San Nicolas and Oranjestad. The present highway
between both cities is the busiest on the island, and the congestion on
that highway grows every year. The government is also studying the
option of improved public transportation between both cities. Money is
allocated to construct the island's first bicycle path which will run from
San Nicolas to Oranjestad. The government has shown renewed
commitment to have the Oranjestad by-pass completed. The government
has reserved money to purchase the last land lots to have the project
started. The completion of the by-pass is expected to alleviate traffic
congestion in waterfront Oranjestad.


Refinery

The biggest challenge for Aruba in 2010 is to reopen the oil refinery in San
Nicolas. Valero Corporation has temporary closed the refinery in the
summer of 2009. Hundreds of employees are still being paid but are
uncertain about their jobs. Valero wants to sell the refinery and there are
potential buyers. The most serious buyer at the moment is PetroChina.
The government is presently deliberating with PetroChina, and is
demanding that the eventual buyer invest in making the refinery
compatible to other modern refineries in the World. That demand will
require over 1 billion dollars in upgrade investments. The refinery in Aruba
was completed in 1929, and is not as efficient as most other modern
refineries in the world today. During his New Year speech, Governor Fredis
Refunjol has warned the island to think of a future without the refinery.
There is a chance the refinery will be closed for good, and dismantled.
The government is working on to avoid that scenario.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 09, 2010, 10:44:45 PM
I do not mind being a lone voice regarding my speculations on a topic but ... being attacked for those speculations when the truth is still elusive is emotionally draining.  I had a reason for keeping on ... but I concede defeat.

I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: ... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.



Quote
Hi billb

 

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: ... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

After much thought and considering the source I gave it a pass the first time, this time I can not.  Maybe it's just me, but in my opinion the use of the above quote in red is very inappropriate and even disrespectful in the context it is being used in.  Again, JMO.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 09, 2010, 11:03:24 PM
I do not mind being a lone voice regarding my speculations on a topic but ... being attacked for those speculations when the truth is still elusive is emotionally draining.  I had a reason for keeping on ... but I concede defeat.

I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: ... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.



Quote
Hi billb

 

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: ... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

After much thought and considering the source I gave it a pass the first time, this time I can not.  Maybe it's just me, but in my opinion the use of the above quote in red is very inappropriate and even disrespectful in the context it is being used in.  Again, JMO.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Thanks for putting that into words, TM.  I have thought the same, but was afraid to say so due to the
circumstances.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 10, 2010, 12:26:21 AM
Delivery for Texasmom!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/texasmom1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/texasmom1.gif

Hope the hearts will warm you up, TM! It's still cold here! Brrrrr.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 10, 2010, 12:40:28 AM
Hello Janet.....nothing new from aruba other than trying to bleed Beth and Dave's funds dry....
Another slow night....I guess the majority here would rather have no discussions than a discussion on a point of view they view repetitive...
Kinda cuts out discussions.....Not sure how the helps Beth, Dave, and Natalee......but what do I know...
I guess I'll just wait.... ::MonkeyCool::


Hi billb

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Happy New Year to you Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::
I'm looking forward to seeing your work when you are ready to share.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 12:53:14 AM
Thanks, klaas -- and thanks, klaas  ::MonkeyKiss::

Good morning Monkey friends and thanks for all you do  ::MonkeyAngel::

46 degrees and falling -- in Miami, for goodness sake.

OT Anna -- Burn Notice starts up on Jan 21  ::MonkeyDance::



AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!!!!!

Justice for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones



O/T

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Thanks so much Sharon!  I didn't know Burn Notice started so soon.   ::MonkeyKiss:: for remembering how much I like it.  My fav!  You can bet I will watch it.  Needed some good news as I am getting cabin fever in this cold.  We have 11 degrees F tonight with chill factor around zero.  Any my heat pump is making a funny noise at times now.   ::MonkeyShocked::

BTW, did you hear ALABAMA won the National Championship?

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyFootball::

And I hear some parts of Florida are getting snow!  Take care of our oranges.


Always good to see you posting.  And yet hard to believe here we go on another New Year.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2010, 12:53:36 AM
Delivery for Texasmom!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/texasmom1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/texasmom1.gif

Hope the hearts will warm you up, TM! It's still cold here! Brrrrr.........

Too cute CBB.  The girls look adorable.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 12:58:43 AM


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-09/chavez-devalues-bolivar-50-first-time-since-
2005-update1-.html

Chavez Devalues Bolivar 50%, First Time Since 2005 (Update1)
January 09, 2010, 11:47 AM EST
 

   

(Adds percent of imports at preferential rate in the 11th paragraph.)
By Daniel Cancel
Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuela devalued its currency by half yesterday, the first such action since March 2005, as President Hugo Chavez seeks to pull the economy from recession amid falling oil revenue.
Chavez said the bolivar will be devalued to 4.3 per dollar from 2.15 per dollar for most imports. A second, subsidized peg of 2.60 bolivars per dollar will be used for importing food, medicine and machinery intended to boost the economy’s competitiveness.
The Central Bank, which agreed yesterday to transfer $7 billion in reserves to the government, will “intervene” to prop up the bolivar in the unregulated parallel market, Chavez said, without providing details.
(snip)


Magnolia, I was going to post this but you beat me to it.  I'd have to say this is pretty drastic!  And he chased an American aircraft he claimed was in his air space this past week.  Guess that is supposed to distract from his doing this and rationing electricity?

Keeps picking a fight with the Dutch as well.  All designed to keep his population distracted from the fact he keeps buying military toys like expensive Swedish tanks and $4 billion from Russia, etc. while they do without.

Hardly a day goes by that Uncle Hugo doesn't do something outrageous!  I think he is all bluster but you never know when he will slip up and actually cause something really bad to happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
Hello Janet.....nothing new from aruba other than trying to bleed Beth and Dave's funds dry....
Another slow night....I guess the majority here would rather have no discussions than a discussion on a point of view they view repetitive...
Kinda cuts out discussions.....Not sure how the helps Beth, Dave, and Natalee......but what do I know...
I guess I'll just wait.... ::MonkeyCool::


Hi billb

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Happy New Year to you Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::
I'm looking forward to seeing your work when you are ready to share.....
I'm looking forward to it as well Billb.. ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 10, 2010, 01:04:17 AM
Hello Janet.....nothing new from aruba other than trying to bleed Beth and Dave's funds dry....
Another slow night....I guess the majority here would rather have no discussions than a discussion on a point of view they view repetitive...
Kinda cuts out discussions.....Not sure how the helps Beth, Dave, and Natalee......but what do I know...
I guess I'll just wait.... ::MonkeyCool::


Hi billb

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Happy New Year to you Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::
I'm looking forward to seeing your work when you are ready to share.....
I'm looking forward to it as well Billb.. ::MonkeyFootball::
Ktf... ::MonkeyCheer4::
Sources: Seattle, Carroll agree on deal...
Is third time the charm? ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2010, 01:07:47 AM
Hello Janet.....nothing new from aruba other than trying to bleed Beth and Dave's funds dry....
Another slow night....I guess the majority here would rather have no discussions than a discussion on a point of view they view repetitive...
Kinda cuts out discussions.....Not sure how the helps Beth, Dave, and Natalee......but what do I know...
I guess I'll just wait.... ::MonkeyCool::


Hi billb

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Happy New Year!

Considering the implications are too far reaching ... I have given up on justice ever coming out of that Island for Natalee but ... questioning that motives of those who claim justice for Natalee but have choosen to ally themselves with the Aruban enemy ... is my ongoing mission behind the scenes.  Chapter Six is currently in the editing stages and with much appreciated sporadic assistance Chapter Seven is being drafted from a completed outline.  The original Persistance document has evolved and ... is sometimes overwhelming but ... I am determined this work will not remain unfinished.

Take care.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Happy New Year to you Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::
I'm looking forward to seeing your work when you are ready to share.....
I'm looking forward to it as well Billb.. ::MonkeyFootball::
Ktf... ::MonkeyCheer4::
Sources: Seattle, Carroll agree on deal...
Is third time the charm? ::MonkeyCheer4::
If we can kill two birds with one stone!Make the Seahawks better,and the Trojans worse?God bless Paul allen..... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 01:07:58 AM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!




Glad you are OK Magnolia.  I got a little concerned when we had a Civil Defense notice for the B'ham area instead of the usual weather notice.  I think it had iced very quickly.  I still have one kid there as well.

Remember Hudson's bites are likely puncture wounds and so can get infected easily.  Watch him closely for signs of infection or fever or anything systemic.  If you have some anitbiotics, might be good to give him some or ask vet about that.  Poor goggie!  We have had two pits roaming the neighborhood lately as well and I just never let my little Yorkie out alone not even on front porch which had railing with gate.  One was spotted running home carrying a white sweater, too.  I guess it was making a warmer bed, lol.

CBB just gets better and better with her avatars, doesn't she.  Yours is adorable.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 01:13:27 AM
The Ritz Carlton has been a sore subject on Aruba for some time.

Charels Croes was writing articles against it's development long ago

Thanks, Magnolia.  When I read that article, I thought I remembered conflict about it's development and it not going through.   I guess $ talks....



IIRC some of the most recent articles I recall about it was that the funding for it had not been secured. 

It would probably be interesting to know where that funding came from now...  JMO ::MonkeyWink::


Didn't the 4 headed CapsLockWizard post that the Shango riddle was about the Ritz Carlton at one time?
Something about two puzzles....one about Natalee and one about the Ritz Carlton?


Yes, and we wouldn't understand because we were too stupid and didn't speak seven languages.  Lots of mumbo jumbo about the Ritz Carlton and the financing and even that Natalee was kidnapped to secure financing among other delusions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 10, 2010, 01:14:07 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys and peace out... ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....
k2 going down.....Dr.Phil going up.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2010, 01:16:30 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys and peace out... ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....
k2 going down.....Dr.Phil going up.....

Time will tell.I will be patient,for as long as the lord above gives me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 01:17:47 AM
BLAST FROM THE PAST (sorry I did not save link, but it's from SM front page)


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 11

According to Fox News scroll and the AP; a fourth suspect has been arrested in Aruba in conjunction with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The investigators are not discussing it at this time. Thanks to the Riehl World for the initial information. Looks as though the AP is now confirming it as well. Also, thanks to Chris Lupo for the tip this morning!

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway, 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

*** PRESS CONFERENCE AT 4:00PM EDT *** via ArubaTag

Bondia, a local paper in Papiomento, is saying

However, sources of Bon Dia Aruba confirmed that none [referring to a confession being made] of this is true and that very probably authorities are going to take steps against the two media outlets. Already Commisionary Dompig assured that he was going to ask for AP to rectify their story and from what he could understand, AP agreed to do so.” (Translation by Aruba Girl)

Local Radio is reporting that the Prime Minister is upset that CNN is not retracting the story. (Hat tip Leila)

1015 - Van der Straten (head of investigation) on the air, he defends his police department. Info is false about confession. They’re investigating still. (Liela)

Police Official said that the news was not correct, and pleaded trough TOP FM to give their investigation team a chance to work on the case. According to Police Official Mr. Jan van de Straten this kind of false news is ruining their investigation. (Teo)  ::MonkeyShovel::

1035 Local Radio has a call in show going, the conversation is all about CNN calling itself the most trusted name in news and they are not telling the truth! The population is very upset, very upset!

1041 Press Conference starting very soon

Prosecution service is giving information, “At this moment neither confirm or deny information from any sources, they are at a crucial moment in the investigation, and they have 5 suspects in custody.” (not exact, but very close)

Press conference ends.

The Dutch legal system has 6 hours before they need to give the status of a detainee. So the person who was picked up today is not officially a suspect

Amy has this news (not confirmed)

Blood has been found in the silver Honda Civic impounded Thursday by officials, this car is supposedly owned by the suspect detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot.
The biological parents of Natalee Holloway had supposedly taken blood tests yesterday, to confirm if the blood found in the car is indeed from Natalee. The results are known. Hopefully this will be revealed in the press conference of this morning at 10 AM. This news is yet to be confirmed TOM - It was not confirmed at the press conference.


HyScience wonders “Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ….. ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a ’seller’ ? ” Pure supposition, but an interesting thought.

Fox News Television is reporting that Suspect has confessed to killing Natalee. via HyScience. Local coverage still has not said so.

(Red) Whether the confession story turns out to be true or not; it was irresponsible of CNN to go with it before the family was ever notified first. Then the rest of the media followed. No one should ever find out their child may have passed away by the media. CNN - The compassionate news network. (Red)

UPDATE - 1:45 pm - Family feeling the strain of this experience. I cannot even imagine the stress and strain and the toll that this would take upon an individual? Remember, what this is all about, Natalee & her family.

Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, is feeling the strain, her brother-in-law told the AP as prosecutors prepared to make a statement Saturday morning.

When asked whether she was holding up, Tom “Jar” Twitty said, “No … She has had amazing stamina up until now, but …”

The women in the family remained sequestered in their hotel rooms while the Twitty brothers stood in the lobby, looking stressed amid a gay scene of tourists pouring onto a brightly colored bus outside advertising “Xtreme Party Cruise.”

That is tough and has to be heart breaking.

Hat Tip: RunningFromArlene

June 11th, 2005 at 09:54am Posted by Scared Monkeys | Natalee Holloway |



 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


And THAT is when we knew the fix was in.  Everything since has just been obfuscation.  That's it in a nutshell.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2010, 01:20:27 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys and peace out... ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....
k2 going down.....Dr.Phil going up.....

Time will tell.I will be patient,for as long as the lord above gives me.

TICK_TOCK... ::MonkeyWink::  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 10, 2010, 01:22:55 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys and peace out... ::MonkeyAngel::
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....
k2 going down.....Dr.Phil going up.....

Time will tell.I will be patient,for as long as the lord above gives me.

TICK_TOCK... ::MonkeyWink::  ::HelloKitty::

PATTERNS..PATTERNS..PATTERNS... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2010, 01:24:44 AM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!




Glad you are OK Magnolia.  I got a little concerned when we had a Civil Defense notice for the B'ham area instead of the usual weather notice.  I think it had iced very quickly.  I still have one kid there as well.

Remember Hudson's bites are likely puncture wounds and so can get infected easily.  Watch him closely for signs of infection or fever or anything systemic.  If you have some anitbiotics, might be good to give him some or ask vet about that.  Poor goggie!  We have had two pits roaming the neighborhood lately as well and I just never let my little Yorkie out alone not even on front porch which had railing with gate.  One was spotted running home carrying a white sweater, too.  I guess it was making a warmer bed, lol.

CBB just gets better and better with her avatars, doesn't she.  Yours is adorable.

Thanks on the Avi.  I like it too.  CBB does good work.
Hudson is good to let me Dr. him.  The Vet told me what to do and I had all the meds here.
Nearly half the swelling is gone from his leg, so I figure it is improving.
I got my pistol out in case the pit bulls came back and shot a hole in the porch before I knew what was
happening. ::MonkeyHaHa::
The road over the mountain is solid ice so we are stuck, but it is going to 34 tomorrow, so maybe we
can get out.  Hudson is craving a McDonalds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 01:30:46 AM






I'm so glad to hear that you and Hudson are safe and warm!  Poor Hudson, I hope he'll recover from his battle wounds soon!  I'm so glad you have him...and I can just imagine you going after the attackers with that broom!   ::MonkeyDance:: 

Ever since Klaas posted that last picture of witchypoo I've thought about a thousand times how much better I'd feel if I could just b_tch slap her one good time!  That stupid ho obviously doesn't believe in karma.  Or maybe she just gets lost in the bottle too much and can't control the lies that spew in her stupors...either way I do believe she'll get what she deserves one day.
I hope it's soon!   ::MonkeySkate::

I agree about the attacks.  The negativity was not one sided either. 

From my perspective Janet has never hesitated to attack or attempt to discredit any post I or any other poster here has made that she doesn't agree with, regardless of how outdated or unrelated the "back up" she uses to do it with is.  I find it hard to believe that she didn't expect some negativity when the subject she chose and speculation regarding it is the total opposite of Beth's description of the same.  It was her choice to make that parting comment that I posted a snip of for billb last night, so why keep trying to stir it all up again...how does that help anything?

And I actually thought there had been some pretty good discussions taking place before those comments last night too!   ::MonkeyConfused::

JMO


Well, apparently some discussions are more welcome by some than others. 

But I know for a fact some people won't post along side accusations of taking pay and bribes and people saying they hope they got a lot of money referring to de Vries, Tim Miller, Dave Holloway, etc.

Beth has certainly NEVER expressed such sentiments but the opposite.  Expecting people to agree with all that is just a bit much in my opinion.  Same for taking young Kyle's word as gospel when he was apparently just  trying to sell a video to the highest bidder.

I always say I think what I think and know what I know and that's just the way it is.  I don't have to defend or explain my conclusions.  I'd have to hear those accusations from Beth or Red or someone in a better position to know than any of us posters.  And I've been on this since it was a local rumor and TylerGal's DH was contacting RWV and this blog about it.  Same for others and I won't participate in insulting those who have tried to help Beth the most and been here the longest for her.  It's just not right.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 10, 2010, 01:47:20 AM
Good Night 2NJSons_Mom, Anna, Magnolia and guests...!

My booklet, should I ever publish it, will be a selection of deleted posts that I hold
on the side...just in case I ever need them.

Thanks to everyone who provided positive information for review and discussion.
I love it when it is like that.  No stress...nice people.

See you tomorrow...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 10, 2010, 01:50:57 AM
TxMom and Agraria....you snuck in at the last moment....Good night to you too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 01:53:36 AM






I'm so glad to hear that you and Hudson are safe and warm!  Poor Hudson, I hope he'll recover from his battle wounds soon!  I'm so glad you have him...and I can just imagine you going after the attackers with that broom!   ::MonkeyDance:: 

Ever since Klaas posted that last picture of witchypoo I've thought about a thousand times how much better I'd feel if I could just b_tch slap her one good time!  That stupid ho obviously doesn't believe in karma.  Or maybe she just gets lost in the bottle too much and can't control the lies that spew in her stupors...either way I do believe she'll get what she deserves one day.
I hope it's soon!   ::MonkeySkate::

I agree about the attacks.  The negativity was not one sided either. 

From my perspective Janet has never hesitated to attack or attempt to discredit any post I or any other poster here has made that she doesn't agree with, regardless of how outdated or unrelated the "back up" she uses to do it with is.  I find it hard to believe that she didn't expect some negativity when the subject she chose and speculation regarding it is the total opposite of Beth's description of the same.  It was her choice to make that parting comment that I posted a snip of for billb last night, so why keep trying to stir it all up again...how does that help anything?

And I actually thought there had been some pretty good discussions taking place before those comments last night too!   ::MonkeyConfused::

JMO


Well, apparently some discussions are more welcome by some than others. 

But I know for a fact some people won't post along side accusations of taking pay and bribes and people saying they hope they got a lot of money referring to de Vries, Tim Miller, Dave Holloway, etc.

Beth has certainly NEVER expressed such sentiments but the opposite.  Expecting people to agree with all that is just a bit much in my opinion.  Same for taking young Kyle's word as gospel when he was apparently just  trying to sell a video to the highest bidder.

I always say I think what I think and know what I know and that's just the way it is.  I don't have to defend or explain my conclusions.  I'd have to hear those accusations from Beth or Red or someone in a better position to know than any of us posters.  And I've been on this since it was a local rumor and TylerGal's DH was contacting RWV and this blog about it.  Same for others and I won't participate in insulting those who have tried to help Beth the most and been here the longest for her.  It's just not right.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



I agree Anna.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 01:54:17 AM
TxMom and Agraria....you snuck in at the last moment....Good night to you too.

Good night Mere, stay warm!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 02:55:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2010, 10:25:43 AM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!


Magnolia I just read this post.  Sorry to hear that Hudson was hurt.  Pitbulls are a scary breed and rightfully so.  Next time don't put yourself between a dog fight like that unless you have a gun to shoot one  ::MonkeyEek::  Get a baseball bat.  I have broken up my share of fights with my yellow lab and my pitbull.  Every once in a while they would go at it and we would all jump up and scream. Lab held her own when she fought but there are some pitbulls that are stronger and built differently and those are the ones who are more dangerous.

Hope Hudson is better today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2010, 12:20:42 PM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!


Magnolia I just read this post.  Sorry to hear that Hudson was hurt.  Pitbulls are a scary breed and rightfully so.  Next time don't put yourself between a dog fight like that unless you have a gun to shoot one  ::MonkeyEek::  Get a baseball bat.  I have broken up my share of fights with my yellow lab and my pitbull.  Every once in a while they would go at it and we would all jump up and scream. Lab held her own when she fought but there are some pitbulls that are stronger and built differently and those are the ones who are more dangerous.

Hope Hudson is better today.

Hudson is better, thanks San.  I got out my pistol in case the pitbulls came back and promptly shot a hole in
the porch.  It made be laugh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2010, 12:32:57 PM
Good Night 2NJSons_Mom, Anna, Magnolia and guests...!

My booklet, should I ever publish it, will be a selection of deleted posts that I hold
on the side...just in case I ever need them.

Thanks to everyone who provided positive information for review and discussion.
I love it when it is like that.  No stress...nice people.

See you tomorrow...!

I must have logged off before you posted this, Mere!   Just think of all the pearls of wisdom that were lost during the early crashes, too.   Considering the collaborative effort in our discussions we'd all have quite a few co-authors to recognize.     ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
Just reporting in.... It is cold!!   17 Degrees and snow on the ground that is frozen.
My road is closed. 
My house is warm and no pipes have frozen, thank goodness.
Hudson and I gathered in supplies on Wednesday, so we are good for another day or two.

Two pit bulls came into my yard on Wednesday and attacked Hudson.  I don't know where
they came from.  There was blood everywhere.  Hudson held his own and only has two bites
on his leg and one on his cheek.  His leg is swollen, but he is OK.  I went to the rescue with a
broom....just like the witchy Julia Renfro.

I loved reading the legal documents from the Dr. Phil case.  Remember Australia wouln't let
Joran into their country when he wanted to go there.  I love those Aussies for that.
I think the Kalpoes are in between a rock and a hard place.

There was more than one person attacked.  Others here were attacked as well.
Billb did his share of the attacks.  Go figure!


Magnolia I just read this post.  Sorry to hear that Hudson was hurt.  Pitbulls are a scary breed and rightfully so.  Next time don't put yourself between a dog fight like that unless you have a gun to shoot one  ::MonkeyEek::  Get a baseball bat.  I have broken up my share of fights with my yellow lab and my pitbull.  Every once in a while they would go at it and we would all jump up and scream. Lab held her own when she fought but there are some pitbulls that are stronger and built differently and those are the ones who are more dangerous.

Hope Hudson is better today.

Hudson is better, thanks San.  I got out my pistol in case the pitbulls came back and promptly shot a hole in
the porch.  It made be laugh.

Magnolia,
I'm so glad you weren't hurt going after those dogs with the broom.  When the weather is better I hope you'll get out and get comfortable with your pistol.  A shot in the dirt would probably scare them off, but if one were to come toward you I want you to be able to aim and stop them!  Maybe you have a relative or friend that will come and help you set up a range to do some target shooting.  There are targets you can buy or you can make your own.  I can think of some that would be fun.... ::MonkeyDevil:: 

We keep firecrackers and/or bottle rockets behind my door year round for stray dogs and/or neighbor dogs that tend to come in our yard and try to fight our dogs.  The noise will usually scare them off.  We used some to scare off a bunch of wild turkeys that were all in the trees around our house recently!  (I didn't know it before, but when a turkey poops it's far more substantial than bird poop; oldest son didn't appreciate it on his truck!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::) 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2010, 02:20:08 PM
Good Night 2NJSons_Mom, Anna, Magnolia and guests...!

My booklet, should I ever publish it, will be a selection of deleted posts that I hold
on the side...just in case I ever need them.

Thanks to everyone who provided positive information for review and discussion.
I love it when it is like that.  No stress...nice people.

See you tomorrow...!

I must have logged off before you posted this, Mere!   Just think of all the pearls of wisdom that were lost during the early crashes, too.   Considering the collaborative effort in our discussions we'd all have quite a few co-authors to recognize.     ::MonkeyKiss::

I agree with Mere and 2NJ.  I would like to see all of the positive information that has been compiled here..
I would hate to be such a cynic as to only look for the ugly side of people who have tried to help find
Natalee.  I don't think most of us are the kind of people to spread lies and slander.  It is so unbecoming.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 10, 2010, 02:21:28 PM
From Klaas's post:




Tourism

 The Minister of Tourism is working on
privatizing Aruba Tourism Authority, snipped.

I would like to know who ever thought that the Tourism Authority should be a part of the government in the first place.

TM, Magnolia, Mere, Anna and any one I may have missed I just want you to know I agree with every word you posted.

Magnolia, hope Hudson is getting better.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 03:43:49 PM
12/29/2009 Awe Mainta Page 16

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12292009AweMaintaPg16.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

xmas get together of ah&sf aruba hospitality & security foundation

day 22 of december 2009 nightfall, at chino latin, aruba hospitality & security foundation (a.h.& s.f.) owing to as his “xmas get together” cu visibility team (v.t.) y police. at the ocasion here the chairman of the owing to.h.& s.f. come across, jan van nes, owing to gradici the v.t. y police for her trabao good cu they're haci. e’la desea all one feliz pasco y good year new for they y they family. jan van nes owing to splica also cu the year here is the ultimo year cu the is chairman of the owing to.h. & s.f., the is go retira. at the ocasion here e’la introduci jesus cardoso, general manager of occidental hotels & resorts cu will open the year new because; chairman new of the owing to.h. & s.f. sr. cardoso also owing to take away one word cortico. after esnan present owing to stay together in one ambiente fantastico.

__________________________________________________________________________

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2008/04/20/the-occidental-grand-resort-supports-education/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JesusCardosoAndresPichardo.jpg)

http://business-aruba.com/press/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/JesusCardoso_Dec2009.jpg)

snip:
Resort General Manager Jesus Cardoso-González announced he is thrilled to be able to bring this holiday classic to his guests, something new this year to Palm Beach. “I have seen Kiril perform, and as an enthusiastic fan of dance, I can only describe it as “simply breathtaking;” we are very excited to be hosting “The Nutcracker” this year.”
snip:

http://www.youtube.com/v/9nwbJXUKHsY&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Related to Adrian and Aitana Cardoso? 

http://www.facebook.com/people/Occidental-Grand-Aruba/1670565695


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 03:49:05 PM
From Klaas's post:




Tourism

 The Minister of Tourism is working on
privatizing Aruba Tourism Authority, snipped.

I would like to know who ever thought that the Tourism Authority should be a part of the government in the first place.

TM, Magnolia, Mere, Anna and any one I may have missed I just want you to know I agree with every word you posted.

Magnolia, hope Hudson is getting better.


Good question SuzieQ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 05:54:36 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::

Check your local listings if anyone's interested in seeing this!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/natalee-holloway-lost-in-paradise/EP01224618

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostInParadiseTVL-1.jpg)

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostInParadiseTVList.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 07:26:49 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=268&Itemid=40

House Vs. Urban Was Jam-Packed at Confession (December 19th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_35_20091221_1770412086.jpg)

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(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_6_20091221_1528394000.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

12/18/2009 Bondia

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 10, 2010, 08:48:12 PM
Good evening, Monkeys!

Magnolia, I am so glad Hudson is feeling better!

Our forecast seems to have been revised for the better a bit from 11F degrees to 18F for the low tonight.  Not much but better than the subzero chill factors that had been predicted.  Much better in fact.  The wind died down for one thing.

And


Is it just me or what but what's with these average loiking young males in Aruba that makes them think they are model material?

I mean, really!  Remember Guido Weaver?  He was not even average, IMO, or at least nothing exceptional.

Just wondering where they get the idea they are so nice looking?  Some of the females are attractive but very few of the males.  Almost none.  And yet we see time after time they think they are models.  Is that some sort of code for something else if you follow my drift?  Remember Patrick vd Eem said Joran was a male prostitiute according to Dolphi Richardson, big shock and scandal to us all at one time.

Maybe I am reading too much into this but it is very strange.   I know lots of young guys from rearing my own and have never known one aspiring to be a model.

Maybe I just have a dirty mind, I don't know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
Good evening, Monkeys!

Magnolia, I am so glad Hudson is feeling better!

Our forecast seems to have been revised for the better a bit from 11F degrees to 18F for the low tonight.  Not much but better than the subzero chill factors that had been predicted.  Much better in fact.  The wind died down for one thing.

And


Is it just me or what but what's with these average loiking young males in Aruba that makes them think they are model material?

I mean, really!  Remember Guido Weaver?  He was not even average, IMO, or at least nothing exceptional.

Just wondering where they get the idea they are so nice looking?  Some of the females are attractive but very few of the males.  Almost none.  And yet we see time after time they think they are models.  Is that some sort of code for something else if you follow my drift?  Remember Patrick vd Eem said Joran was a male prostitiute according to Dolphi Richardson, big shock and scandal to us all at one time.

Maybe I am reading too much into this but it is very strange.   I know lots of young guys from rearing my own and have never known one aspiring to be a model.

Maybe I just have a dirty mind, I don't know.

It makes me wonder too Anna.  Here's some of what I've found.  There are pictures of the models at the links above the names.  Some aren't really what I would consider "model" material either.  JMO

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=151642540392

Basic Info
 
Name:Trash by Ronchi

Category:Entertainment & Arts -

Description:  Trash by Ronchi, renowned for its extensive collection of clothing and accessories, has made its mark in Aruba by offering something for everyone.

Within our walls, you’ll find classic pieces and cutting edge fashion from our very Ronchi de Cuba. We cover the gamut of the girl wanting the latest trends to the young adult trying to dress for work and morph into party attire. From the mom looking for cute clothes for carpool or an evening out with her hubby to the woman looking for a sophisticated but hip outfit for her charity luncheon, Madison has it all.

Trash has become known for its “tasteful” edits of a designer’s collection and choosing only the best to bring to its shoppers. It is for this reason that we have become a favorite among celebrities, fashion stylists, and press members. (read less)
Privacy Type:Open: All content is public.
Contact Info
 
Email:Website:http://www.komamodels.com
Office:Ph. (297) 582-6632 or 583-9034
Location:  # 8 Sibelius Street  Oranjestad, Aruba


http://komamodels.com/

KO-FACTS

Established in 1989 KOMA Models is the Caribbean's leading model agency.  KOMA Models is based on the beautiful island of Aruba and has an extensive client range.  Our models are booked by the island's leading advertising companies, important companies and products, and by the island's leading fashion establishments.

KOMA MODELS

All models are exclusive KOMA models and are only represented by our agency in Aruba.  The versatility of the Aruban community make way for an interesting mix of people.  KOMA models' board is proof of this amazing diversity.

http://komamodels.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45:ko-girls&catid=35:fashion&Itemid=62

KO-GIRLS

Aitana Cardoso

Angelie Thijzen

Birgitt Brandts

Boyoura Martijn

Cathleen Wever

Charissa Huizinga

Charissa Ridderstap

Charlene Leslie

Dianndra Seelochan

Francis Rodriguez

Gail Henriquez

Gillain Berry

Janeska Richardson

Karen Tascon

Kaylan Cooper

Madelyn Paula

Marela Bustillo

Marielle Tromp

May Leigh Russel

Michelle Gesterkamp

Mishally Wever

Nadine Phillip

Nuraisa Lispier

Priscilla Lacle

Raquelle Reeberg

Su-Anne Henriquez

Vanity Tromp

Vivian Chow

Yani Baez

Zachary Croes

Zaruska Campbell


http://komamodels.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51:ko-boys&catid=35:fashion&Itemid=64

KO-BOYS


Adrian Cardoso

Aldrich Kelly

Alhric Lacle

Allan Brown

Alrick Tromp

Amin Taouch

Bjorn Brandts

Chichito Da Costa

Dwight Ras

Edward Lee

Emil Carasquero

Fizad Searwar

Giorgio Sapuana

Gregory Tromp

Henry Camacho

Jason Greaux

Javier Erasmus

Javier Flores

Jeandir Montero

Joewayne Gumbs

Josh Gesterkamp

Joshuah Dijkhof

Justus Dingemans

Lindomar Kock

Michael Salazar

Olando Nicastia

Orlando Akins

RJ Turnbull

Ryan Rodgers

Sergio Winterdaal

Shajir Croes

Siouxton Stoorvogel

Tyron De Freitas

Willy Yue


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 10, 2010, 11:27:16 PM
http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/januari/11-01-10/P02.pdf

Google translation:

(http://www.antilliaansdagblad.com/images/stories/adnews/2010/januari/11-01-10/chavez.jpg)

The Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez showed Saturday This photo of a PC-3 Orion.
It is not clear when the picture was taken. AFP PHOTO

"No violation of airspace

From one of our reporters

PHILIPSBURG - An American military aircraft has last week the Venezuela airspace violated, as the Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez claims.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Air Force, gestaioneerd in Miami denies that one aircraft from the U.S. to Friday twice in the Venezuelan Sky was. Under Chávez was the device - which would took off from airport Hato in Curaçao - waiting by Venezuelan military aircraft, removal from the U.S. to have accompanied the airspace to leave Venezuela. The president of Venezuela, which observers his statement also referred to The interest in the Venezuelan refinery on Curacao - called the action of Americans "A provocation" by Washington.

,, No U.S. aircraft was in the airspace of Venezuela, "says Shanda sergeant of the Anda U.S. Air Force, said Associated Press. A look at the news shows that large-scale message about the incident, at least statements about it in Caracas and the U.S. authorities.

The head of state of neighboring Venezuela said Saturday he two F-16s of the Venezuelan Air Force contract Friday had given a American fighter twice that airspace would have violated, to intercept. The U.S. Government says that none of its aircraft in the South American Sky was so Message Reuters.

Chávez, however, showed a picture seeing an airplane, he describes as a P-3 Orion, and call it the latter violation America from the area by air which Venezuela belongs. In this regard, said the Chief again in Caracas the bases in the Dutch Antilles (Curacao and Aruba are Forward Operating Locations in connection with the regional drug control) and Colombia.

"They provoke us, these are war planes, "he said. The Venezuelan F-16s forced the unit to return after the two violations three p.m. respectively nineteen minutes would have lasted.

Besides a spokesman the U.S. Air Force denied even the U.S. Department Defense of the incident, said Reuters. In an e-mail states: "We can confirm today no military aircraft of the U.S. Venezuelan airspace is entered. It Our policy is not a airspace of a country to fly, without approval or coordination advance. "

Senior Obama told government the news agency that U.S. Southern Command is not aware of any incident in which Friday an American fighter aircraft in the airspace of Venezuela would be involved.

"The alleged threat of U.S. intervention is a central been in place Chávez 'political speeches and a way to his supporters to support get ", the editors draw Frank Jack Daniel and Doug Palmer and editor Peter Cooney of Reuters. It is argued that the 'loudest critic of the U.S. 'hopes that the idea of foreign threat attention Venezuelans from domestic distraction problems.  Venezuela suffers from an economic recession, growing crime and inadequate public facilities. Reuters notes that the socialist leader diplomatic community in December startled by his allegations addressed to the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The news agency reports that are Aruba and Curacao on only 250 people of the U.S. Air and ground personnel located.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2010, 11:32:58 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=268&Itemid=40

House Vs. Urban Was Jam-Packed at Confession (December 19th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_35_20091221_1770412086.jpg)

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(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_6_20091221_1528394000.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

12/18/2009 Bondia

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12182009BondiaArubaPg06kAdrianCardo.jpg)


I think the one in the Love New York shirt is definately model material. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 10, 2010, 11:37:50 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=268&Itemid=40

House Vs. Urban Was Jam-Packed at Confession (December 19th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_35_20091221_1770412086.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_18_20091221_2084291786.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_6_20091221_1528394000.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

12/18/2009 Bondia

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12182009BondiaArubaPg06kAdrianCardo.jpg)


I think the one in the Love New York shirt is definately model material. ::MonkeyDevil::

I think that one is a candidate for 'what not to wear' or 'biggest loser'...or both.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2010, 11:51:43 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=268&Itemid=40

House Vs. Urban Was Jam-Packed at Confession (December 19th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_35_20091221_1770412086.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_18_20091221_2084291786.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_6_20091221_1528394000.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

12/18/2009 Bondia

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12182009BondiaArubaPg06kAdrianCardo.jpg)


I think the one in the Love New York shirt is definately model material. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I was waiting for your response.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 10, 2010, 11:53:42 PM
By the way look at my new avatar CBB made for me.  I told her this is as close as you will get to see me wearing a dress.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 10, 2010, 11:57:03 PM
By the way look at my new avatar CBB made for me.  I told her this is as close as you will get to see me wearing a dress.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love your avatar.  I thought you might have lock and load on those hearts...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 10, 2010, 11:57:27 PM
By the way look at my new avatar CBB made for me.  I told her this is as close as you will get to see me wearing a dress.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Are those a pair of little brown Mary Jane's peeking out from under the lace of your dress?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 10, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
By the way look at my new avatar CBB made for me.  I told her this is as close as you will get to see me wearing a dress.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

The dress is lovely.  It is the curls on top of your head that are stunning though. ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 12:07:47 AM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=268&Itemid=40

House Vs. Urban Was Jam-Packed at Confession (December 19th, 2009)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_35_20091221_1770412086.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_18_20091221_2084291786.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/house_vs_urban_was_jam-packed_at_confession_december_19th_2009_268/confession_6_20091221_1528394000.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

12/18/2009 Bondia

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12182009BondiaArubaPg06kAdrianCardo.jpg)


I think the one in the Love New York shirt is definately model material. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 12:22:49 AM
By the way look at my new avatar CBB made for me.  I told her this is as close as you will get to see me wearing a dress.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Very pretty, San!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2010, 12:25:46 AM
Words escape me!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 12:34:47 AM
Words escape me!  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You need to go over to the Monkey Lounge and pic up your Valentine Avi...it's cool!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2010, 12:46:44 AM
Words escape me!  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You need to go over to the Monkey Lounge and pic up your Valentine Avi...it's cool!   ::CowboySmiley::


I still need a cigar!!!!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 12:58:10 AM
Words escape me!  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You need to go over to the Monkey Lounge and pic up your Valentine Avi...it's cool!   ::CowboySmiley::


I still need a cigar!!!!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Just let CBB know, and I'm sure she'll get you one pronto!   ::MonkeySkate::

btw...you look HOT!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 01:41:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2010, 03:42:02 AM
By the way look at my new avatar CBB made for me.  I told her this is as close as you will get to see me wearing a dress.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And you look so thrilled to be wearing it, too!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

(should we get you a tuffet to sit on?)    ::MonkeyCool::

I knew everyone would enjoy your avi, San!  It's so "un-you!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2010, 03:56:13 AM
Words escape me!  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You need to go over to the Monkey Lounge and pic up your Valentine Avi...it's cool!   ::CowboySmiley::


I still need a cigar!!!!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

And you shall have it, Wreck! (You shouldn't have any trouble getting a light.........  )   ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/wreck3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/wreck3.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2010, 04:06:41 AM
Hey KTF!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Please notice that these hearts DO NOT come up from the evil island!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

They start with YOU and then fly to heaven!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/KTF.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/KTF.gif


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2010, 04:43:15 AM
I'm trying to do this when I won't be disrupting the thread..................... it's 4:40am and by dern, that's as good as I can do!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Here you go, Billb! 

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/billb.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/billb.gif

With that, I'm going to bed! Let me know if you want one, Monkeys!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 11, 2010, 08:11:30 AM
Good morning...!

How quickly that brings us right back to those early days.  I was so naive.  I believed
that something was really happening...that the police were competent...that the
family would know at any time.

When the blood became chocolate....that was an aruban eye-opener.

There were so many more.  I would bet that the Kalpoes do not want to take a
chance at meeting our FBI and finding the chocolate turned out to be blood in
a real lab. 

Sharon..thanks.

OT....temp 12



Exactly my thoughts, Mere!  And our FBI DID determine it was blood, and DID compare it to another blood sample.

On June 9, 2005.

And that is precisely what the US has on the Kalpoes that they don't have on Joran.

Come on in to the US Deepak and Satish!!  Lady Justice awaits you!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 11, 2010, 08:13:44 AM
::MonkeyKiss::


Love you Sharon - thank you for the early day reminders!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 11, 2010, 08:31:46 AM
Words escape me!  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You need to go over to the Monkey Lounge and pic up your Valentine Avi...it's cool!   ::CowboySmiley::


I still need a cigar!!!!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::

And you shall have it, Wreck! (You shouldn't have any trouble getting a light.........  )   ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/wreck3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/wreck3.gif

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 11, 2010, 08:32:06 AM
From Klaas's post:




Tourism

 The Minister of Tourism is working on
privatizing Aruba Tourism Authority, snipped.

I would like to know who ever thought that the Tourism Authority should be a part of the government in the first place.

TM, Magnolia, Mere, Anna and any one I may have missed I just want you to know I agree with every word you posted.

Magnolia, hope Hudson is getting better.




Precisely SuzieQ!

And we were all front and center to witness first hand the bias and misleading actions that such a collaboration can cause.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 11, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
I'm trying to do this when I won't be disrupting the thread..................... it's 4:40am and by dern, that's as good as I can do!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Here you go, Billb! 

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/billb.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/billb.gif

With that, I'm going to bed! Let me know if you want one, Monkeys!   ::MonkeyKiss::
Thanks CBB!.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
::MonkeyDance::

Check your local listings if anyone's interested in seeing this!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/natalee-holloway-lost-in-paradise/EP01224618

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostInParadiseTVL-1.jpg)

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostInParadiseTVList.jpg)

Thanks for posting this, TM.  I saw the promo for it last night and just checked.  Looks like it airs 10pm ET for me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 02:28:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67280.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Valero fraud suspects in court

January 11, 2010, 12:08 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Two men suspected of one million fraud at Valero refinery, remain temporarily in custody. That the court during a pro-forma meeting agreed. Their trial is expected to be discussed on March 26, 2010.

The pair, with the initials I.F.B. and GSK, is accused of three crimes. If the first eclipse of 5.2 million florin. They were so in the period from 29 August 2007 to July 28, 2009 have done. Moreover, they are accused of forgery. Finally, they are suspected of being in possession of money, directly or indirectly derived from embezzlement.

Suspect K. was employed as superintendent of the Central Maintenance department of Valero. The other suspect, B., was a contractor employed by the oil refinery business. Both men possessed money to buy materials. The Public Prosecutor (OM), the two work orders and thus distorted materials and services ordered that were not necessary. These were never delivered, but paid. During an internal investigation by Valero was the fraud to light and was reported. The two suspects were arrested in September 2009 and one was dismissed. The investigation further revealed that false invoices were prepared with data from existing Aruban and American companies. Auditors of the headquarters of the American oil company have been busy checking accounts, so Amigoe also has personal experience. Via e-mail received this newspaper and asked to respond to a payment of nearly $ 6000 last year that Valero Amigoe years would have done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 02:41:35 PM
Good morning...!

How quickly that brings us right back to those early days.  I was so naive.  I believed
that something was really happening...that the police were competent...that the
family would know at any time.

When the blood became chocolate....that was an aruban eye-opener.

There were so many more.  I would bet that the Kalpoes do not want to take a
chance at meeting our FBI and finding the chocolate turned out to be blood in
a real lab. 

Sharon..thanks.

OT....temp 12



Exactly my thoughts, Mere!  And our FBI DID determine it was blood, and DID compare it to another blood sample.

On June 9, 2005.

And that is precisely what the US has on the Kalpoes that they don't have on Joran.

Come on in to the US Deepak and Satish!!  Lady Justice awaits you!!!
::CowboySmiley::


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 11, 2010, 03:05:07 PM


Okay, who tied up San and put that outfit on her?  Was it the anti-San?


 ::MonkeyShocked::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2010, 10:05:05 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks to the faithful who keep them lit. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 11, 2010, 10:49:22 PM


Okay, who tied up San and put that outfit on her?  Was it the anti-San?


 ::MonkeyShocked::




 ::MonkeyShocked::        :smt040        ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nobody can say Miss Muffet San lacks a sense of humor!    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 10:53:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67282.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Rise torchlight procession equals record

January 11, 2010, 12:12 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/11-pag-03-fakkel-champagne-.gif)

Participants of the carnival group were dressed with Champagne luminous rasta-hair last Saturday during the torch procession.

ORANGE CITY - Two stabbings, a fight and an accident in which a participant was largely over by the toiletwagen took place last Saturday during the torch procession. The authorities and organization nevertheless speak of an event went well.

by our reporter
Sharina Henriquez

The counter was, just before the parade which traditionally opens the Carnival season began, to 5800 participants. This equals the torchlight parade by the coordinator Bibi Arends record last year, when 6000 people participated. "Last year was a special edition, because when we celebrated 55 years carnival. The torch procession is always popular and this is mainly because a spontaneous, fun carnival is feeling. Registration is open until the last minute and the participant gets everything, t-shirt, drink at. "According to Arends, there are many students who participate. "In this first week of January, just before they go back to America or the Netherlands."

The torchlight parade Saturday were ten groups along with eleven band trailers, a brass band and a sound system. The first group was with Digicel Jeand'or Robert y su Solo Artist Show, together with TOB and Dushi Carnival Group had the largest number of participants. The smallest groups were Hospi Jolly and Colegio Arubano, because of their 50-year anniversary was an opportunity group. However, the band with the theme of Michael Jackson little support, according to insiders because students are not with their parents - ex-Colegio students together in a parade wanted.

Cross Party
Many were not flares. These are more and more replaced by modern neon light in the form of cups and glasses. Were the original luminous rasta hair, which the participants wore the Champagne Group. The last lap was initially calm and bring back a large number were young children by their parents in tow taken. Adriaan Lacle near the Boulevard was less. The band stopped playing to the emotions to subside. That worked, but barely a few yards further back came to a standstill, and this long time. It had to do that with a stabbing near the building of the Bolivarian union took place. A man was stabbed in his neck with a screwdriver allegedly. Just go to the Cricket Field, where the parade ended, a man was stabbed in the back. At Banco di Caribe had the police intervene in a fight. The ambulance also pulled out for one participant who had lost the toiletwagen. The young woman was taking part over and is included with minor injuries.

Coordinator Bibi Arends is satisfied with the progress of the procession. "It started on time and at the end there was just rumbling, but it is usually the case. The advantage of the reverse route is that everyone ends in an open field instead of right in the city. This ends everything faster, instead of the participants still hanging in the night clubs. For tourists it is also a more spectacular, because they see the start of the parade. Participants are still fairly empty on the bridge at Renaissance, very beautiful to see. "


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 11, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::   Stabbed in the neck with a screwdriver.....

Got lost with "The ambulance also pulled out for one participant who had lost the toiletwagen."    Don't make me get my old avi out....    ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 11, 2010, 11:03:53 PM
I am real curious how the young woman lost the toiletwagen. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/index.php

Four most recent headlines on 24ora front page:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01112010_24ora_FP_1.jpg)

Note:

Galacian translation of "atraco" to English = assault


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 11:19:39 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was wondering about the toiletwagon incident too!   ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 11:36:08 PM
I saw an article last night where a girl's leg (I think) was struck by a truck and the ambulance transported her.  Maybe the truck was carrying a porta potty?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15140/8/

Papiamentu translation:

truck is happen y injury lady on ruta of carnaval

sunday, 10 january 2010 - 16:08 saturday night during the parada of flambue owing to sosode one accidente regrettable. according informacion one truck cu was trek one banjo portatil owing to achieve problem y in this will have to owing to happen on leg of one lady. this owing to cause danjo fysico at the lady y was rekeri asistencia medico. ambulance was rapido for owing to arrive at the sitio y so the lady can owing to wordo transporta for hospital. click read more for more photograph. come across

Note:
(portatil did translate to portable in one of the languages I tried)

But I didn't get toilet from any of the ones I tried.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 11, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer3::

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/translation/papiamentu/banjo

Albanian   banjo=   balneotherapy, bathroom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 12, 2010, 12:08:09 AM
Awesome CBB changed me to my Mardi Gras costume. It's finally going to get a little warmer this week.
Anything happening here?
Hey nightcrew, have a great week!!!!!!!
Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2010, 12:21:29 AM
Awesome CBB changed me to my Mardi Gras costume. It's finally going to get a little warmer this week.
Anything happening here?
Hey nightcrew, have a great week!!!!!!!
Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi, cajun miracle.....good to see you.  We're still here, no matter what. 

You have a great week, too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 12:33:01 AM
Awesome CBB changed me to my Mardi Gras costume. It's finally going to get a little warmer this week.
Anything happening here?
Hey nightcrew, have a great week!!!!!!!
Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hey cajun miracle!   ::MonkeySkate::

Hope you have a great week too!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 12, 2010, 12:58:54 AM
Awesome CBB changed me to my Mardi Gras costume. It's finally going to get a little warmer this week.
Anything happening here?
Hey nightcrew, have a great week!!!!!!!
Justice for Natalee    ::MonkeyGavel::

Hello Night Crew.....Justice for Natalee

Love that Mardi Gras avatar....think the date is 2/16/2010


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 12, 2010, 01:33:08 AM


Okay, who tied up San and put that outfit on her?  Was it the anti-San?


 ::MonkeyShocked::






 ::MonkeyShocked::        :smt040        ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nobody can say Miss Muffet San lacks a sense of humor!    ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes and I love her sense of humor (^5 San) and love you, too, for showing her tuff-et side, and for all of the hard work you do to make us look stupendous!  Thanks, Chickie!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 02:22:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 02:57:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67358.php

Google translation:

Young detainees KIA school

January 12, 2010, 13:51 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Young prisoners in the Correction Institute Aruba (KIA) should be their education within the walls of the prison to complete. That is Minister of Education and Justice Arthur Dower (AVP).

"We find that many people now stuck in KIA. There is a crime wave, which is largely related to drugs. Many young people end up in the drug world, whether because of a gang. "Dower to do more activities within the walls of KIA to focus on these young prisoners. "We must focus on correcting those who enter the prison and ensure that a certain degree of education available for them. These young people are professional criminals if you do not have the chance to finish their education, "said the minister.
Dower will soon talk with representatives of KIA, to see how education within prison walls can be filled. He is convinced that there should be compulsory in Aruba. "We have a very high percentage of school age children and it is very important for this group of youngsters that tools are available to them, forcibly if necessary, in the classroom to keep training and education."
Dower Minister considers it essential that the Aruban community, and in particular the agencies working with youth, are involved in the discussion. It also refers Dower in social work at district level. He wants a proactive posture of bodies and hopes so quickly with these bodies talk. "Often after an incident acted. I want problems well in advance and can be identified when contact is kept with the families of young offenders. Then problems may be addressed in time. "

Education Pathway
Meanwhile, the Minister is concerned about groups of young people due to lack of structure and guidance do not hesitate to use force. Therefore, a committee appointed for a project involving delinquents, and youth at risk for problems to get an education path to follow in the Marines barracks in Savaneta. Funding for the first phase of this process is borne by the Netherlands and it is anticipated that as many as one hundred young people taking part will take. Dower points out that the participants learned from this educational process should also have prospects. It is envisaged that young people who have successfully completed the training program, also offered a suitable job, said the minister. "Otherwise it is likely that they fell back in risk behavior."

Then there is the group which has from birth on the risk of ending up astray. These are mainly young people whose parents use drugs, said Mr Dower. He seems to use certain functions from the portfolio of Social Affairs to take over. Currently there are no adequate facilities for this group to absorb, says the Minister of Justice and Education. "Initially some of these youngsters would be put in the remedial teacher center in Detroit. To optimize the center run, an investment of ten million are made and then the operational cost eleven million florin. The government does not currently have the financial means to carry. "The minister is the smaller and more effective organization of the provisional response that the government is to give. "Whether we bring these children with families, which is also a possibility."


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:00:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67355.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Diario Marisol again accused of corruption

January 12, 2010, 13:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Barely one days after rectification by the morning paper Diario former minister and now MP Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP) again accused of corruption. Owner and editor Jossy Mansur largely repeats the same allegations that led to a lawsuit last week. Tromp said this morning on new steps to consider.

The MEP-parliamentary groups does not a lawsuit. "I have contact with my lawyer about what steps we will take. For it is not normal for one days after I corrected again accused of the same things. That is not agreed during the trial. The judge has clearly said that Diario on these issues should not come back, because they can not prove. "The court did not reach a verdict last week, because both parties agreed that the newspaper was correct. According to Diario Tromp chose eggs for his money, after the judge indicated that a verdict is not in the interest of the newspaper would be. It was agreed that the morning Monday, so yesterday, at the front would put an amendment containing the text that Diario no evidence that corrupt Tromp. That happened.

Comments
This morning, however, the newspaper published the headline: "Sin duda Nigun: Marisol corupto ta!" The editorial said Mansur again by far the Ceru property in Colorado, the bridge Madushi and the donation of 1 million florin of Curaçao offshore company as an example corruption during the minister Tromp. It will, according to Mansur not long before the former minister also announced the Netherlands is involved in research on the state Board of Aruba. The judge considered the matter last week, also gets along of Mansur. This would Papiamento insufficient and thereby controlling the documents the defense of Diario claimed, can not read or understand. The editor lets finally know that the newspaper initially wanted to leave the correction. "But as Marisol decided to make so much fuss, as if she had won the lawsuit, from tomorrow we will publish all the corruption cases which it is directly involved."

PDR
The former minister was also critical of yesterday morning PDR leader Andin Bikker. They told her not to accusations of corruption, but it believes that its policy on the issue of leasehold land in the study by the Netherlands should be included. "For there are facts and evidence that questionable things have occurred."

Tromp Bikker of the criticism is not surprising. "He was the lawyer Mansur years ago, when this aanspande a case against the government because he was not an option for the Radisson site. Mansur lost the case, including appeal. I think he just attacks on me why my policy area. Because of education or social affairs, he almost never. "


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:02:53 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67357.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Market stalls in Port burned

January 12, 2010, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/12-pag-03-afgebrande-kiosk-.gif)


Two kiosks are completely burned Sunday night. The goods were small buildings with a value of $ 10,000.

ORANGE CITY - Two kiosks near the docks in Orange City Sunday night around half past eleven are completely burned. The owner of the kiosks, besides the buildings, including $ 10,000 for property lost by the fire lost.

"I really do not know how to proceed," said the woman. "Without income, I can not pay. I have debts to the bank and also I have to pay rent. "The emotional woman was called Sunday night with the bad news that the two kiosks were burned. Her son, Jean Sorat, think outside the fire started. According to his own findings, the fire originated in the space between the two kiosks. The fire department was not available this morning to find out more information.

Restoration
The director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA), Alfonso Boekhoudt, has responded to the incident. He said that it is not the first time that a kiosk burns down in that neighborhood. Some time ago a nearby kiosk also burned. This was never restored. According to Book Does this ruin the view for tourists who come to visit the island. The APA Director hopes that the area of leasehold quick solution to the ugly appearance of the kiosks and containers. "We want the government to talk soon and hope to reach agreement," said Boekhoudt. "If the APA lease of government can take over, then we as the first port neighborhood clean up." We want the kiosks get a better location and we also want to ensure that coaches and taxis can park normally, "says the APA Director. For bus and taxi drivers have trouble with the parking lot near the harbor in Oranjestad. APA also plans to most containers on the ground to clean up.

Project
Minister for Infrastructure, Environment and Integration Benny Sevinger (AVP) showed about two weeks ago that he is busy with the refurbishment project. This is prepared by APA and by the Ministers of Finance and Tourism. There will be a marina and two public parks, one of which is specifically designed for recreation. In the middle must be a pool. We want the boats to retrieve fruit in the port of Oranjestad, so there is another market. The current booths disappear, said the minister. "Because that is not a face."


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67354.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Four robberies

January 12, 2010, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/12-pag-03-overvallen-_12-01.gif)

One of the four locations where a robbery was committed last night.

ORANGE CITY - In four different locations last night robberies committed. The police suspect the attacks were committed by the same perpetrators. According to eyewitnesses, the robbery committed by three suspects with a firearm. The suspects are still on the run.

The police received around the clock for a report within nine of a robbery of bar-restaurant in Wong Tai Avenida Milo Croes in Dakota. When the raid of the police team was on site, there was a report of a robbery at a supermarket not far away. It turned out to be New Big New mini market at the end of the Dominican Street. This supermarket is located in the same building as training and Compulearn Doc. The description of the perpetrators was similar to the description of the perpetrators of the earlier robbery. A short time later the police again in a report of a robbery. This time on tourists near Tamarijn Dutch Village. Possibly these robbery committed by the same perpetrators. Later in the evening also Tai Hung Yun, a bar-restaurant in Paradise District robberies. This is probably the same group again robbers, but police could not confirm this morning. However, the police here a handgun from one of the robbers found.
When the robbery was reportedly captured little money, but the perpetrators have left a trail of destruction.


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:10:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67353.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Carnival Aria

January 12, 2010, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

Carnival Aria appears every Tuesday and Thursday until the end of the carnival in Amigoe. The section is open to all organizations and associations involved in the carnival. Messages, notices, photographs and illustrations can be up to one day be sent for publication, by fax to 582-2368 or by e-mail to amigoearuba@setarnet.aw.

ORANGE CITY - For years tended Jos van der Schoot Amigoe section for this carnival. He has made sure of the support of some sponsors and wrote then merrily go. The section was adorned with a portrait of the journalist with a red bowler hat of the Aruba Carnival Foundation (SAC) which he deployed for years. In the tradition of Jos is this year after a long time a carnival section. For the first time, graced with a portrait of Jos, as a tribute.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Saturday was the first real activity of the carnival 56th place, the torch parade. Of course, the carnival season has officially started on November 11, 2009, but carnival lovers can now only really in the mood. Although it really should not, were days before the parade in some places along the route already put down chairs. From early morning on the day of the parade had many of their pick-ups parked all along the route at night assured of a good view. It was also pressure at the torch parade.

The record of last year, some 6,000 participants, is matched. The atmosphere there was good. A few isolated incidents after, the procession went smoothly. The thousands of people in the parade and thousands who came to see, enjoyed the carnival music and danced merrily loose.
Because of carnival I'm usually at work, is often the only parade the torch parade which I follower. So again this year. Dushi Carnival Group, "my group", like last year was very busy and very cozy. The only disadvantage was the music. Where last year was a nice mix between dance music and carnival hits, unfortunately dominated this year's dance. To me there should be more next year carnival songs!
The music selection caused perhaps less carnival feel, but the party was no less. "Ki bo di, ki bo di, Dushi! Ki bo kier, kier bo ki? Dushi, "chanted hundreds of avid participants. Next year!

Police
Despite the strong presence of police and security guards, did the Parada di Flambue not entirely without incident. Unfortunately some people grab these events to seek to argue. Two people were victims of a stabbing and near Banco di Caribe was a brawl. By the end of the torch parade - and the wine in the man - many were still looking for another party. The police, fearful of problems, checked the motor with Sasakiweg including agents and held several people standing because of speeding. Places of entertainment were not much time to the torchlight parade to benefit the thousands of revelers. Around the clock were three agents in bars and night clubs along to enforce the closing time.

Calypso and Road March
Carnival Committee SAC organizes all participants of Calypso and Road March 2010 meeting. At that meeting, all rules of the calypso competition and road march through and explained. Also, suggestions and ideas for the event discussed. The meeting takes place in the Dakota building in ATIA and starts at seven hours at night. The finals of the calypso and road march contest on Saturday, January 30th from half past seven in the evening.

Tumba
Those interested can sign up for the Wednesday 40th Tumba Contest. Registration is possible at Sport Boys in Santa Cruz, between six and nine hours at night. The first parade, the balloons parade in San Nicolas, is next Sunday, January 17. The parade starts at two hours in the afternoon. Jouvert Morning Traditional pajama party in recent days in the news. It was rumored that this parade would not continue because of the stringent policies of Justice regarding closing times. Justice Minister Arthur Dower (AVP), however, stressed yesterday that the party can continue because "almost never have problems. Let us hope that the pajama parade really goes without incident and that everyone can enjoy the cozy atmosphere.


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:12:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67352.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New website Parke Arikok

January 12, 2010, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Fundacion Parke Nacional Arikok has a website, www.arikokpark.com. It is the first time that the park has its own official site, says PR and marketing Officer Jimmy Mijer (33). "Everybody is on the Internet, and we now also."

Parke Arikok had for some time a very popular page on the social network Facebook, where many beautiful pictures and background information can be found. "Now everything together on the site and there is also a map of the park. Of course we also link directly to the Facebook page. But the site also contains video clips with music by Datapanik. "The language on the website is preliminary only English, but that will change. "Depending on the budget this year is a mirror site in Papiamento. For school children in the pictures we have chosen for Dutch text so it fits better in school situations. We expect that many school children use to make this part of the site. "Mijer said. The site will be updated regularly with photos and video. The plan is for all flora and fauna on the island documented on the website of Fundacion Parke Nacional Arikok to continue.

Boa's
Besides the site has more news Arikok Parke. The research team from the Department of herpitologische the Toledo Zoo has arrived on the island. This team conducted more than twenty years research into the rattlesnake, the santa and nero boa. "Every two years they come to data on the snake species known to gather in a condition index survey", said Diego Marquez (33), ecology and education manager at Parke Arikok. The researchers from Toledo take a GPS, radios and special cameras and will cooperate with the rangers and staff Arikok make a report.


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:15:21 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67351.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Aruba popular in England

January 12, 2010, 13:44 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The number of tourists from England in the last year for the first well above the 10,000 released. Based on these figures Tourist ATA expects that in 2010 our country will be a popular destination for British travelers. This is reported on a British travel website.

According to ATA, Aruba is placed in the top ten Caribbean destinations for the British tourist market. The marketing campaign for Great Britain, a budget of more than 400,000 have florin, which include posters are hung in the London underground. When KLM on February 1 restart with scheduled services between Amsterdam and Aruba, it is easier for the British people to travel to our country, says the tourist. "Despite the economic downturn Aruba had a record year for us and the UK market remains one of the fastest growing travel destinations in the Caribbean," said director of the Aruba Tourist Britain Joanna Walding. "With more aircraft and two major advertising campaigns, we can be sure that the positive trend of recent years can be put."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 03:18:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67356.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Opposition questions about Aruban Resort

January 12, 2010, 13:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Opposition Party MEP wants to know whether a government takeover candidate has declared bankruptcy for the Aruban Resort. She has issued questions to the Minister of Justice and Education Arthur Dower (AVP) and the Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transportation, Otmar Oduber (AVP).

MEP wants to know whether specific acquisition plans. And if the government indeed has a candidate who wants to take the Aruban Resort, where the minister want to make it then known as MEP calls through a letter submitted by States President Andy Lee (AVP). Another question is whether the government require a takeover candidate for employees to take over.
The opposition party is also concerned about the dismissed employees. MEP wants to know how many people have lost their jobs, and to which category these features were working. MEP asks further whether the Government will provide assistance to those retrenched employees. It refers to the party in 2000, when Aruba Air went bankrupt and the employees at 6 million florin could count on public support.

Finally, the opposition party to know how things are with the local employment and work permits. Will the government protect the local workforce redundant, as there are foreign workers were employed in the hotel. MEP calls on the ministers also to answer the question what they do with the licensing for the resort.


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Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 04:39:24 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/


   
Persona Xclusivo 2009
Durante un cocktail ameno na Pure Beach di Phoenix Resort, editora di revista Xclusivo a ricibi invitadonan cu bin ricibi nan premio y celebra otro di e personanan Xclusivo di 2009. Cada persona ,un total di 12, honra a ricibi como regalo un Bobblehead di su persona. Milly Schwengle, Mike Eman, Nicole Hoevertz, Grace Mary Madruo, Mark Benson, Irene V/d Linden, Yvonne Andrade, Stan Kuiperi, Fernando Mansur y Fundacion Autismo. Pabien na tur e nominadonan.......
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 12, 2010, 05:59:47 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/


   
Persona Xclusivo 2009
Durante un cocktail ameno na Pure Beach di Phoenix Resort, editora di revista Xclusivo a ricibi invitadonan cu bin ricibi nan premio y celebra otro di e personanan Xclusivo di 2009. Cada persona ,un total di 12, honra a ricibi como regalo un Bobblehead di su persona. Milly Schwengle, Mike Eman, Nicole Hoevertz, Grace Mary Madruo, Mark Benson, Irene V/d Linden, Yvonne Andrade, Stan Kuiperi, Fernando Mansur y Fundacion Autismo. Pabien na tur e nominadonan.......
 


Uggggggg, is the bobble-head Julie?  I think I will wonder over to musings to see Petey.  Much better than Julie/bobble head.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 06:13:27 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2430&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

young tourist owing to cay for of 30 metre high for of parasail in lama

diaamars nightfall owing to enter informe cu near of radisson one young tourist owing to cay for of 30 metre high in water, at once owing to dirigi one ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the ambulance owing to come constata cu is deal of one tourist young cu was disfrutando one trip abordo of one parasail y for one or another the young owing to come straight abao for of one height of 30 metre y bay cay in lama. the impacto was strong y at once the personal of ambulance owing to transporta the victima cu urgencia for hospital. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2010, 06:28:49 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/


   
Persona Xclusivo 2009
Durante un cocktail ameno na Pure Beach di Phoenix Resort, editora di revista Xclusivo a ricibi invitadonan cu bin ricibi nan premio y celebra otro di e personanan Xclusivo di 2009. Cada persona ,un total di 12, honra a ricibi como regalo un Bobblehead di su persona. Milly Schwengle, Mike Eman, Nicole Hoevertz, Grace Mary Madruo, Mark Benson, Irene V/d Linden, Yvonne Andrade, Stan Kuiperi, Fernando Mansur y Fundacion Autismo. Pabien na tur e nominadonan.......
 



She's got that scarf around her neck to hide her turkey waddles. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 12, 2010, 06:37:51 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/


   
Persona Xclusivo 2009
Durante un cocktail ameno na Pure Beach di Phoenix Resort, editora di revista Xclusivo a ricibi invitadonan cu bin ricibi nan premio y celebra otro di e personanan Xclusivo di 2009. Cada persona ,un total di 12, honra a ricibi como regalo un Bobblehead di su persona. Milly Schwengle, Mike Eman, Nicole Hoevertz, Grace Mary Madruo, Mark Benson, Irene V/d Linden, Yvonne Andrade, Stan Kuiperi, Fernando Mansur y Fundacion Autismo. Pabien na tur e nominadonan.......
 



She's got that scarf around her neck to hide her turkey waddles. ::MonkeyDevil::
I was thinking it was to hide the marks from the dog collar.  ::MonkeyShocked::


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 06:40:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/


   
Persona Xclusivo 2009
Durante un cocktail ameno na Pure Beach di Phoenix Resort, editora di revista Xclusivo a ricibi invitadonan cu bin ricibi nan premio y celebra otro di e personanan Xclusivo di 2009. Cada persona ,un total di 12, honra a ricibi como regalo un Bobblehead di su persona. Milly Schwengle, Mike Eman, Nicole Hoevertz, Grace Mary Madruo, Mark Benson, Irene V/d Linden, Yvonne Andrade, Stan Kuiperi, Fernando Mansur y Fundacion Autismo. Pabien na tur e nominadonan.......


She's got that scarf around her neck to hide her turkey waddles. ::MonkeyDevil::
I was thinking it was to hide the marks from the dog collar.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Probably both!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)

http://www.clickonaruba.com/


   
Persona Xclusivo 2009
Durante un cocktail ameno na Pure Beach di Phoenix Resort, editora di revista Xclusivo a ricibi invitadonan cu bin ricibi nan premio y celebra otro di e personanan Xclusivo di 2009. Cada persona ,un total di 12, honra a ricibi como regalo un Bobblehead di su persona. Milly Schwengle, Mike Eman, Nicole Hoevertz, Grace Mary Madruo, Mark Benson, Irene V/d Linden, Yvonne Andrade, Stan Kuiperi, Fernando Mansur y Fundacion Autismo. Pabien na tur e nominadonan.......
 



She's got that scarf around her neck to hide her turkey waddles. ::MonkeyDevil::
I was thinking it was to hide the marks from the dog collar.  ::MonkeyShocked::

You may be right, Wreck.  It is ugly either way. ::MonkeyTongue::


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Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=26904&Itemid=40

Fakkel Optocht Tabata Tremendo den Oranjestad | Album #1 (January 8th, 2010)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 07:04:16 PM
She looks like a transvestite and has man hands.  She's ugly inside and out no matter how she may superficially appear.


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Post by: Magnolia on January 12, 2010, 07:49:02 PM
She looks like a transvestite and has man hands.  She's ugly inside and out no matter how she may superficially appear.

I wonder if that is one of her old wedding dresses.


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Post by: klaasend on January 12, 2010, 08:04:24 PM
Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show at 9pm ET:

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CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW...

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2010, 11:05:11 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=26904&Itemid=40

Fakkel Optocht Tabata Tremendo den Oranjestad | Album #1 (January 8th, 2010)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/01082010_Freddy_FakkelOptochtTabata.jpg)

Ugh, 1st JR in a white dress and then this Mug shot.  aaaacckk.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 12, 2010, 11:38:16 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=26904&Itemid=40

Fakkel Optocht Tabata Tremendo den Oranjestad | Album #1 (January 8th, 2010)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/01082010_Freddy_FakkelOptochtTabata.jpg)

Ugh, 1st JR in a white dress and then this Mug shot.  aaaacckk.


Freddy seems to be putting on a little weight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 12, 2010, 11:43:28 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=26904&Itemid=40

Fakkel Optocht Tabata Tremendo den Oranjestad | Album #1 (January 8th, 2010)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Freddy/01082010_Freddy_FakkelOptochtTabata.jpg)

Ugh, 1st JR in a white dress and then this Mug shot.  aaaacckk.


Freddy seems to be putting on a little weight.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Heinies do that! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 12, 2010, 11:52:08 PM
I thought some might find this interesting that don't usually read over at the Murder & Crime thread.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
I'm shocked that the officer that was convicted would EVER be allowed to work in the Government again!

That really makes me wonder....

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=461:fiscal-a-baha-pisa-riba-grupo-cu-a-trafica-cocaina-den-avion-di-klm&catid=8:corte&Itemid=7

(No date on this article but it is earlier in the case than the articles that will follow)

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Papiamentu translation:

fiscal owing to descend pisa on are cu owing to trafica cocaina in plane of klm

oranjestad – today morning owing to follow cu tratamento of the caso mullet caminda fiscal owing to present his rekisitorio y owing to exigi castigonan among 3 anja y 7 anja y 6 month of jail for her sospechosonan.

the sospechosonan haime wiersma, the acolyte of douane, farley wiersma, mario maduro, the three empleadonan of galloway, escobar garcia, becerra valor y de los santos gumbs, chinto geerman y fernando sanchez have to owing to present in corte for listen the exigencia of fiscal. the sospechoso geerman not was present because past owing to deny of bay corte cu arestatie team but his advocate if was present.

fiscal owing to cuminsa at tell cu the caso mullet is encuanto traficacion of drugs among aruba y the netherlands caminda was haci usage of the garoshinan of galloway in cual was hinca drugs. past owing to remarca cu in the caso here owing to leave at cla con drugs is corumpi person. the is referi akin owing to the acolyte of douane y the three empleadonan of galloway.

fiscal owing to show cu for of feburary 2008 owing to cuminsa cu the investigacionnan cu owing to culmina at november 2008 caminda owing to haci razianan at tanto the netherlands because; aruba. one cantidad of person owing to stay deteni y now they have to responde for they actonan.

during the investigacionnan, one cantidad of combersacionnan telefonico owing to stay listen y this owing to cause cu various of the traficacionnan owing to stay intercepta at the netherlands. the douanero farley wiersma owing to help cu traficacion of 5 kilo of cocaina in one bag of laptop, cual past owing to hinca in one trunk cu was destina for the netherlands.

the empleadonan of galloway owing to help cu sacamento of garoshinan of cuminda y take away esakinan at garage of maduro, caminda eynan drugs was wordo hinca in they. at august 2008 owing to intercepta 18.3 kilo in two of the garoshinan here hour cu klm owing to descend at the netherlands.

also owing to constata con coin was wordo send via western union for aruba. owing to being menciona 12 thousand euro while cu geerman owing to wordo deteni at aeropuerto cu 14 thousand euro y one cantidad of dollars. fiscal is achieve cu here can talk of one organisacion criminal cu is dedica his self at traficacion of drugs. fiscal is considera maduro the cabezante y owing to exigi 7 anja y 6 month of jail p’e. after is follow geerman, caminda fiscal owing to exigi 6 anja of jail. for escobar garcia, becerra valor y de los santos gumbs past owing to exigi 5 anja of jail. for sanchez past owing to exigi 3 anja y 6 month of jail. for her douanero wiersma past owing to exigi 3 anja y 6 month of jail while cu for haime wiersma past owing to exigi 3 anja of jail. now judge is bay evalua the caso y dentro of three week the will dicta sentencia.

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http://www.sonico.com/u/Farley_Wiersma/28708278

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12/24/2009 Bondia Page 15a

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Papiamentu translation:

resumen corte acolyte of douana y trahadonan of galloway envolvi in traficacion of cocaina for the netherlands

oranjestad – the caso of traficacion of drugs for the netherlands cu owing to take away the name mullet, owing to sacudi comunidad hour owing to leave at cla cu one acolyte of douana recherche esta farley wiersma y three trahado of galloway, valor, escobar garcia y gumbs is envolvi haime wiersma, maduro y geerman. two dutch also owing to wordo deteni y still they caso is pendiente. they're wordo considera of is envolvi in labamento of coin. in the caso here tabitin scuchamento of combersacionnan, caminda can owing to saca afo cu trolinan of cuminda of galloway was wordo take away at the garage of maduro in wayaca y eynan owing to bandanan of the trolinan was wordo fill cu cocaina. at the netherlands also had one are envolvi, kendenan was saca the trolinan here. is one cantidad of cocaina owing to deda confisca at the netherlands. is close menciona 18 kilo, 5 kilo, 2 kilo of cocaina cu owing to stay intercepta. the acolyte of douana recherche owing to abusa of the confianza cu had in dje y of the froma here past owing to happen cu one trunk conteniendo cocaina.

judge is considera maduro the cabesante y is achieve the castigo more pisa. for turta count ; cu transporte of drugs is trece cune violencia y is cause one plaga for aruba. traficacion of drugs trece cune also reglamento of cuenta. maduro anteriormente condena for drugs y this not owing to place cu past owing to stop. this is place cu judge is considera because; residivista y also cu judge will less 6 month for of exigencia of fiscal door of the violacion of scuchamento of call. of the y ana y 6 month y now is become 7 ana of jail. geerman, that is wordo considera one residivista owing to wordo condena at 4 ana of jail. valor, garcia y gumbs, judge is achieve cu they owing to abusa of the confianza cu had in they at galloway. judge owing to descend the castigo exigi for fiscal. past owing to condena valor y garcia at 4 ana y 6 month of jail while cu gumbs owing to wordo condena at 4 ana.

farley wiersma his participacion was crucial. because; acolyte douana cu for much time dedica at combatimento of drugs past owing to form part of the organisacion here. on insistencia of brother haime owing to dicidi of help. door of his actitud tacha all cridibilidad of douana y have to pisa more in castigo. judge owing to condena farley at 3 ana of jail y 3 ana cu the not can work in apparatus gubernamental.

haime owing to convence his brother transporta drugs y was present in combersacionnan achieve cu haime play paper important caminda convence his brother of not eherce his work because; employee publico. owing to cause cu his brother owing to corumpi the apparatus gubernamental. owing to convence his brother was combati. judge owing to as cuenta cu door of haime cu enfermedad, his detencion is become more pisa. pesey reduci castigo at 27 month of jail. sanchez owing to form part of transporte of drugs. past owing to wordo condena at 2 ana y 6 month of jail. come across

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Papiamentu translation:

castigo pisa owing to cay for sospechosonan in caso traficacion of drugs in troli of galloway for the netherlands

oranjestad – today morning judge owing to dicta sentencia in the caso of traficacion of drugs among aruba y the netherlands cu owing to take away the name mullet. in the caso here have three employee of galloway envolvi y also one acolyte of douane recherche cu was encarga cu combatimento of drugs.

anteriormente fiscal owing to descend pisa on the are caminda the is considera mario maduro the cabezante of the organisacion criminal cu was dedica his self at traficacion of drugs y labamento of coin already exigi 7 anja y 6 month of jail for. fiscal owing to exigi 6 anja of jail for francisco (chinto) geerman, for jose escobar garcia, luis becerra valor y carlos de los santos gumbs, kendenan is esnan cu was work at galloway past owing to exigi 5 anja of jail. for sanchez past owing to exigi 3 anja y 6 month of jail. for her douanero farley wiersma, that owing to help trafica one bag of laptop cu 5 kilo of cocaina, past owing to exigi 3 anja y 6 month of jail while cu for haime wiersma past owing to exigi 3 anja of jail.

today morning farley wiersma, haime wiersma, maduro, de los santos gumbs, becerra valor, escobar garcia y sanchez owing to present in corte for listen they castigo. once more chinto geerman not owing to present because past owing to deny of wordo transporta for arestatie team.

judge first cu owing to cuminsa cu lesamento of his sentencia owing to tell cu the will bay take one sancion contra ministerio publico because the is achieve prove locual advocate mr. van der sloot owing to trece front for his cliente maduro esta cu had violacion of norm in the asunto of tapmento of combersacionnan. judge is achieve cu enberdad have to garantiza cu do not listen combersacionnan secreto among advocate y cliente y cu fiscal owing to abort here in controla this. judge owing to tell cu because; sancion the will reduci the castigo of maduro cu 6 month.

judge owing to tell cu the is considera maduro the cabesante of the organisacion at aruba. judge owing to as at cuenta cu anteriormente maduro owing to arrive of cay close end for asunto of drugs. judge is achieve the castigo exigi for fiscal esta 7 anja y 6 month at his lugar but is desconta the 6 month because; sancion contra ministerio publico.

esey is haci cu maduro owing to wordo condena at 7 anja of jail.

judge is considera geerman the hand right of maduro y cu the also owing to arrive of cay close end for drugs. sinembargo judge is achieve cu do not all the acusacionnan cu fiscal owing to present contra geerman owing to stay prove. teniendo all the puntonan here at cuenta, past owing to condena geerman at 4 anja of jail.

judge is achieve cu beccera valor, escobar garcia, de los santos gumbs owing to abusa of confianza cu galloway had in they. past owing to condena becera valor y escobar garcia at 4 anja y 6 month of jail because they owing to participa at more transporte of drugs compara cu gumbs. judge owing to condena gumbs at 4 anja of jail.

judge is achieve cu the douanero farley wiersma his participacion was crucial. because; acolyte douane cu for much time dedica at combatimento of drugs, the is achieve cu this is one sla duro for credibilidad of douane. past owing to condena farley wiersma at 3 anja of jail y cu for 3 anja farley wiersma not can work more in the apparatus gubernamental.

for thing is the brother man of farley esta haime wiersma, judge owing to tum'e at bad of owing to bay convence his brother douane for haci algo cu just the brother is combati. judge owing to as at cuenta the mature cu haime is sufriendo of one ailment cu is haci his detencion in kia mucho more pisa y pesey owing to reduci the castigo of fiscal. past owing to condena haime wiersma at 2 anja y 3 month of jail.

for thing is sanchez, that owing to form part of one transporte of drugs already help cu labamento of coin, judge owing to conden'e at 2 anja y 6 month of jail.



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Post by: Anna on January 13, 2010, 12:20:10 AM
Four robberies in one night, two stabbings at a parade and cops with prior drug convictions?  No wonder they are having to start classes in jail.  Pretty soon they will have to expand the jail as well.

Real crime wave in Aruba but then it has always had a high crime rate.  Huntsville has about the same number of people and a high number of tourists to the Space Center so I have always kind of kept that in mind for comparison.  And no where near the amount of crime in general that Aruba has.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 01:46:29 AM
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Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


 ::MonkeyJustice::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 01:52:35 AM


Good night Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/01/13/world/international-uk-netherlands-airline-threat.html

Amsterdam Flight Diverted After Bomb Threat


  By REUTERS

Published: January 13, 2010
Filed at 8:17 a.m. ET

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - An ArkeFly flight from Amsterdam to Aruba in the Caribbean was diverted to Ireland on Wednesday after a passenger made a bomb threat during the flight.

ArkeFly said flight 361 diverted to Shannon Airport, where the passenger was handed over to authorities. ArkeFly said there were 224 passengers aboard the flight.

(Reporting by Ben Berkowitz; Editing by Charles Dick)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 09:09:22 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE60C1LR20100113?type=marketsNews

UPDATE 1-Amsterdam-Aruba flight diverted after bomb threat

Plane to Aruba diverted to Ireland's Shannon Airport

Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:54am ESTRelated News

Amsterdam flight diverted after bomb threat
8:15am

* 44 year-old Dutch man in custody

(Adds details from airline, Dublin airport)

AMSTERDAM, Jan 13 (Reuters) - An ArkeFly flight from Amsterdam to Aruba in the Caribbean was forced to divert to Ireland on Wednesday after an unruly Dutch passenger made a bomb threat during the flight.

ArkeFly said Flight 361 landed at Shannon Airport, where the man was handed over to authorities. There were 224 passengers aboard and 11 crew aboard the Boeing 767.

Irish police identifed the man as a 44-year-old Dutch national and said he was in custody.

"He came across as a very unstable and aggressive passenger during the flight and he mentioned several times that he had planted a bomb in the airplane," an ArkeFly spokeswoman said.

A spokeswoman for Shannon airport said the aircraft had been towed to a remote location for a police search.

(Reporting by Ben Berkowitz, additional reporting by Andras Gergely and Padraic Halpin in Dublin; Editing by Angus MacSwan)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 02:34:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67395.php

Google translation:

Emotional aftershocks Haiti

January 13, 2010, 12:47 (GMT -04:00)

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Premier Mike Eman in conversation with Greg Peterson of the Red Cross and Fire Chief Jaime Donata an action plan to help Haiti.

ORANGE CITY - "The earthquake there was a wall on my son, Edson (14) where his leg was crushed," says Juliette Damis in tears. Even the news reached her that her sister was killed in the disaster came. Damis is the cleaning of office of this newspaper and originally from the Republic of Haiti. She lived for over 14 years in Aruba but has many relatives in the affected country.

by our reporter
Shade Cybulkiewicz

Her son is seriously injured but still alive. The lack of information that Damis has managed to secure her son will be helped but he is not in a hospital. "He is just on the street." He will probably at least one of his legs lost. Her granddaughter of six years, also in the capital Port-au-Prince resident is still missing. "We know absolutely nothing about her. We do not know whether she lives or not. This is a nightmare, "says the grandmother hopeless. "I do not know how the rest of my family there is to it. My other sister has eight children, and nobody knows where they are, "said Damis. Communication with Haiti is very difficult. The devastation is barely telephone and internet connections. The only news that Damis learns from Haiti through the media and by relatives in the United States who are able to have contact with the affected area.

To her family and seek to help Damis would actually fly to Haiti as soon as possible. Because they are not currently have enough money, she will probably end of this month before departing. "I've seen all the possibilities to go to Haiti now, but if there is no money that can be difficult. She says everything in the hands of God to now. "God is my strength and support that my family and I need at this difficult time."

Red Cross
In Aruba there are many in Haiti who have relatives in the disaster area. There shall be accepted by society and the government sympathized with the victims and their families. When Premier Mike Eman (AVP) was told that Haiti was hit by a severe earthquake, he contacted a Dutch embassy in Port-au-Prince. The prime minister wanted to personally inform the local situation and ask what exactly is going on. Prime Minister Eman yesterday evening immediately convened a meeting with Greg Peterson, chairman of the Red Cross, Secretary of the Cabinet and Nicole Hoevertsz Fire Chief Jaime Donata. Together they spent with a plan for the earthquake victims in Haiti. They have asked the banks to open a bank account under the name Help Haitian Red Cross. This allows everyone to deposit some money for the victims of natural disaster. More information about the exact way of donation and the account will be published later. The money collected through the Red Cross in the Netherlands affected by country. "The Red Cross will keep everyone informed about developments in Haiti and more information about the plan when the time comes. All financial help is welcome, "said Chairman Peterson. The Westin Hotel has announced that people who want to donate their clothing can be accommodated.

About six hours yesterday afternoon local time, the Republic of Haiti affected by a severe earthquake with a magnitude of 7.0 on the Richter scale. The epicenter of the quake lay at 15 kilometer south west of the capital Port-au-Prince. Shortly after this earthquake was followed by two strong aftershocks of 5.9 and 5.5 on the Richter scale. The Red Cross estimates are about three million people affected by the disaster. It is feared that the earthquake has claimed lives of thousands of people. The devastation in Port-au-Prince, the approximately two million inhabitants, capital of the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, are tremendous. The streets were littered with dead after the accident and injuries. Many people spent the night on the streets after the worst earthquake in Haiti two centuries.
 

Disaster
The severe earthquake that struck Haiti yesterday, is yet another natural disaster that ravaged the country in recent years. Thus, the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere in 2004 affected by floods and landslides as the result of weeks of torrential rain and a hurricane. Killing a total estimated 6000 deaths. In August and September of 2008 four major hurricanes roared over Haiti. Over one hundred thousand people died and thousands were homeless as a result. At that time, including through support measures and collected money and goods sent to the Caribbean country. Richard Maxwell, president of the Aruban (Odea) and the Caribbean (CNO) nurses associations, then traveled to the ravaged country together with the Red Cross to ensure that the container with relief supplies collected properly ended.


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Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 03:02:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67394.php

Google translation:

Earthquake affects Aruba

January 13, 2010, 12:46 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Aruba this morning to two p.m. on four startled by an earthquake with a magnitude of 4.2 on the Richter scale. The epicenter was at a depth of 12.2 kilometers below sea level, at a distance of 41 kilometer south of Aruba and 4 kilometer northeast of Cabo San Roman on the peninsula of Paraguana, Venezuela.

The meteorological department of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba has received information from the Venezuelan seismological service Funvisis. The earthquake was in different parts of the island felt. People took to the streets, visited family and called the police. According to police spokesman Papito Comenencia have so far given no reports of damage caused by the tsunami. News Awe24.com does make mention of cracks in some houses. According to witnesses there was a strong wind after the quake. Many of them described the quake as the sensation and sound of a large truck approaching. Others declared not one, but two have felt tremors.

Prime Minister Speech
Premier Mike Eman (AVP) was five hours at a morning speech on radio station Canal 90. He indicated that he was awakened by the quake and that he immediately contacted the Minister of Finance, Utilities, Energy and Communications Mike de Meza (AVP). Eman was at that time not sure whether the quake had to do with the earthquake in Haiti yesterday and it came from Venezuela, as is often the case. The Prime Minister took the opportunity to use the radio again his condolences to the Haitian people of Aruba. He reported that he has had contact with the Dutch consulate in Haiti how Aruba can help you.

Seismologists measured daily in Venezuela slight tremor in the Caribbean, said the meteorological service. The last date for Aruba significant reports of September last year. Then on Curacao from a quake measured 6.4 on the Richter scale. Also in May in the eastern part of Aruba registered a tremor, it was 3.1 on the Richter scale. On St. Maarten was on that day of a quake measured 4 on the Richter scale.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 13, 2010, 03:05:38 PM
I read on Twitter that Aruba had a 4.2 shake at 4:30 this morning. I don't know how truthful it is, but they said it was the first quake ever in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 03:06:35 PM
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-381561

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At 4:12 this morning we felt our bet and the houses trembling and we confermd that it was an earhtquake, it was felt on the hole island .  i had a phone call last night at 9:00 pm from venezuela that there they had felt 4 small earthquake and we have some confermation that the earthqueke was at venezuela at punto fijo there are no dameges so far the earthqueke was  about 4.2 on scale

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 13, 2010, 03:07:23 PM
TM, I was writing as you were posting.LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
I read on Twitter that Aruba had a 4.2 shake at 4:30 this morning. I don't know how truthful it is, but they said it was the first quake ever in Aruba.

Thanks SuzieQ!  I'd seen some mention of it too earlier today, that's why I was looking for info about it.

Back to work! 


 
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/auba-rattled-earthquake-venezuela-13571/


Today, 08:48 AM
   
aquaman 
Senior Member
    
Join Date: January 28th, 2008
Posts: 135
 
 Aruba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela
This was posted on another board along with other posts regarding the quake

.....

Aruba was shook by a 4.3 magnitude earthquake at 04:15 this morning. There are no reports so far of injuries and damage to structures. The tremor was felt all over the island. Citizens report windows shaken and roaring noise as if a heavy truck was passing by. The quake lasted for approximately 5 seconds. Some people have reported a second tremor. Some people reported a very strong wind gust just after quake.


The islands of Curacao and Bonaire also felt the tremor but not as strong as Aruba. There are reports that the surf around the island of Aruba was a little rough after the quake.

This tremor was felt on the island, because it was near Aruba at sea and because of the magnitude, which is considered moderate. It is believed that the earthquake felt in Aruba is a reaction to the strong earthquake that struck the south of Haiti yesterday evening.

Aruba is near the boarder of the Caribbean and South American plate. While the Caribbean plate and North American plate goes through the island of Hispanola.
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Today, 09:18 AM
   
lizzardo 
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 Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela
As the article says 'no damage or injuries'. I woke up and
felt it. Wasn't really 'rocking' more like on a raft and
waves going under you. I wasn't sure what it was
until it 'registered' with me. Was really glad that I
wasn't imaging it when I woke up this AM.

Surf is choppy - no tsunami warning - just a warning
for fishermen not to go out. But the surf has been
choppy since Sunday night.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 06:05:50 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15227/5/

Papiamentu translation:

earthquake of alrededor of 4.2 owing to being feel at aruba

wednesday, 13 january 2010 - 09:57

one earthquake very strong owing to being feel at aruba alrededor of 4:15am, meteo at aruba owing to confirma the earthquake here. funvesis (servicio geologico of venezuela) is raporta one earthquake of 4.2 on scala of richter 61km nord west of sharp fijo, 41km for south of aruba. several person owing to arise for of dream during the earthquake, practicamente all the island owing to sintie y at once owing to cuminsa calling familiarnan y conocironan. some person is reporta of owing to feel two earthquake behind another, the earthquake owing to being compaña for one wind very strong, bentanan y the vloer completo owing to tril cu one sonido very strong (manera one truck is pasa) for some seconde. till aworaki not have reportenan of heridonan, the earthquake not owing to being feel at islands brother bonaire y corsow.

click read more for throw one view at the grafico of funvisis y more detayes... also can click play here under for hear declaracion of first minister mike eman at spaans lagoen the lama was very keto self, at another beachnan the sea will owing to become one bit bruto but nothing earnest. n'e magnitud of the earthquake here not have motivo of panico for lama lever ground, then one earthquake of dicho magnitud will not cause one tsunami. minister president mike eman owing to take away word y owing to pidimi calma n'e people of aruba, awemainta will organisa one conferencia of prensa where will informa as for help esnan afecta at haiti. as cuenta cu the hour of venezuela is 30 minuut off of aruba

http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/januari/jan13/epicentro.jpg

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
Haiti is a distance north of Aruba and Venequela, but it makes me wonder if the quakes in 24 hours of each other in these locations are linked to the same fault. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 13, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
On the front page there is an article about an earthquake in Aruba in 2007.

Several Arubans jumped right in without noticing the date of the previous article.
They were bashing Natalee and SM.  Made me angry. ::MonkeyMad::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/magnitude-45-earthquake-this-morning-aruba-region/#comments


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 08:44:50 PM
On the front page there is an article about an earthquake in Aruba in 2007.

Several Arubans jumped right in without noticing the date of the previous article.
They were bashing Natalee and SM.  Made me angry. ::MonkeyMad::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/magnitude-45-earthquake-this-morning-aruba-region/#comments


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 13, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
On the front page there is an article about an earthquake in Aruba in 2007.

Several Arubans jumped right in without noticing the date of the previous article.
They were bashing Natalee and SM.  Made me angry. ::MonkeyMad::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/magnitude-45-earthquake-this-morning-aruba-region/#comments

I remembered that earthquake....just didn't mention it, earlier.  Will have to reread the article...thanks, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 13, 2010, 11:53:10 PM
1/14/2010 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01142010AweMaintaPg3.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

alerta of bom on vuelo of arkefly

shannon - during the vuelo of arkefly number 361 of schiphol for aruba y corsow yesterday, tabat’in one alerta of bom. one passenger witch y aggressive cada trip was ripiti cu have one bom bordo of the plane. the passenger here after owing to resulta of is one aruban of sabana broom sober cu was viaha for aruba for celebra carnaval.

for not core none danger the capitan of the plane owing to dicidi of descend at shannon, irlandia, caminda the passenger fastioso owing to wordo entrega at autoridad of the country ey, y apparently now the aruban sober will happen his carnaval, y more day, in one cel at shannon, irlandia.

bordo of the vuelo tabat’in 224 passenger y 11 acolyte of tripulacion. autoridad of aeropuerto of shannon owing to dicidi cu not can listra the plane but till at hour of his arrival declaration of policy at aruba (cu was 3:30 nightfall hour of aruba). till at the hour ey the plane have to owing to stay ground.

for her motibo ey arkefly owing to dicidi for send one another plane for busca the pasaheronan cu owing to stay stick at shannon, for take away they for they destiny, cu excepcion of the aruban burache cu have to owing to stay in cel for keep kico autoridad irlandes will dicidi of haci cune.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 12:05:28 AM
1/14/2010 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01142010AweMaintaPg3_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

eric brete again in luz negative thanks at privilegionan otorga by of eddie briesen his compania of watersports is harass tourist at beach of costa linda beach resort

eric brete, the ex chef protocol of gobierno during gobernacion of mep owing to go back at his trabao anterior on beach. after cu his attempt for achieve one taxivergunning owing to wordo frustra, tog past owing to succeed achieve permission of ex minister edison briesen for bay opera one watersports on beach at costa linda beach resort caminda anteriormente the had one sales desk y his contract not owing to wordo renoba.

some of we informantenan owing to show cu motibo cu not owing to renoba his contract is cu the as of his compania of atende cu person, in the caso here turistanan, was uno less dainty y owing to cause several trip disgust among the huespednan of the hotel.

look like cu eric brete not owing to like the decision here y now cu the blessing of eddie briesen past owing to succeed of achieve one lugar n’e beach fast of the resort here.

all the time already end have one compania of watersports is opera eynan y de palm tours is atendiendo the desknan of costa linda self in form exclusivo, y now cu presencia of compania of eric brete n’e beach the is haci the situation uno tenso caminda will have seguramente competencia for look at that is achieve more cliente.

some local present n’e resort owing to informa awemainta cu they owing to arrive of look at con the trahadornan of the compania of eric brete is harass the turistanan on beach till cu they not can more. turistanan already end will owing to reclama various trip on the situation here, already cu they're come aruba for descansa y is achieve they self in one situation very bleak where hendenan is practicamente obliga they for cumpra one or another type of pakete or producto cu the compania of watersport is ofrece.

inclusive can owing to compronde cu have trip the trahadornan of the compania here, sane development nv, is lever on territory of costa linda self, rond of the area of pool y is sit part f lyers among the huespednan, siendo cu this is bay in cord recta contra the condicionnan of the permission.

wel, shonnan, this t’e consecuencianan of the maneho without leg neither cabez of eddie briesen, that now, even after of casi 4 month of owing to lose eleccion, still is follow work contra desaroyo turistico of we island.

is cu what cara the sir here can come today y critica maneho of one minister cu in so some time owing to succeed so tanto cos positive for we turism as t’e caso of return of carnival cruises y klm, owing to let aruba reanuda platinum membreship cu asociacion of crucero, owing to aumenta presupuesto of mercadeo of country aruba, among several another aspecto positive.

tristo for tell, but have to acepta cu is berdad con the person here during 8 year largo owing to neglisha we industry of more important y today, after cu past owing to wordo cori by of people for of the posicion ey, still is follow haci damage at dje by privilege at friends & family.

have to keep y look at if minister otmar oduber can haci algo now for try fix one another situation more in turism cu owing to wordo spite by of eddie briesen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 14, 2010, 12:06:44 AM
On the front page there is an article about an earthquake in Aruba in 2007.

Several Arubans jumped right in without noticing the date of the previous article.
They were bashing Natalee and SM.  Made me angry. ::MonkeyMad::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/22/magnitude-45-earthquake-this-morning-aruba-region/#comments

I remembered that earthquake....just didn't mention it, earlier.  Will have to reread the article...thanks, Magnolia.


Now that I think about it, I remember that earthquake too. Someone on Twitter didn't know what they were talking about. Maybe they were drunk and missed that one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 12:09:05 AM
::MonkeyShovel::    
 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp
 

· Close · Aruba, January 3rd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 9 AUGUST 1991 under serial number 12034.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
SANE DEVELOPMENT
 
Business address   PONTON 90, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   SANE DEVELOPMENT
Date of commencement   8 SEPTEMBER 1991
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 OCTOBER 1994
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

BRETE, ERIC ANTHONY;
Born in   ARUBA on 2 FEBRUARY 1951
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   9 AUGUST 1991
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

WATERSPORTACTIVITEITEN, VERKOOP VAN TOURS, SOUVENIRARTIKELEN, WATERSPORTARTIKELEN ALSMEDE REPARATIE EN ONDERHOUD VAN BOTEN EN DE VERHUUR VAN FILM EN VIDEO CAMERA'S O.A. VOOR ONDERWATERFOTOGRAFIE, E.E.A. UIT TE OEFENEN AAN DE PIER TEN NOORDEN VAN HOLIDAY INN AAN DE PALM BEACH.

Google translation:

A. THE OPERATION OF ONE OR MORE PLEASURE YACHTS;

B. TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VESSELS OF - AND WATER SPORTS ACTIVITIES, SALES OF TOURS, souvenirs, watersports, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF BOATS AND THE RENTAL OF FILM AND VIDEO CAMERAS OA UNDER WATER PHOTOGRAPHY E.E.A. TO PRACTICE TO THE NORTH OF PIER AT THE HOLIDAY INN AT PALM BEACH.
 
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 Close · Aruba, January 3rd, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 20 APRIL 1993 under serial number 15080.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
SANE DEVELOPMENT N.V.
 
Business address   PONTON 88, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   SANE DEVELOPMENT N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   16 APRIL 1993
    
Authorized capital   US DOLLAR 230,000.00
Issued capital   US DOLLAR 46,000.00
Paid up capital   US DOLLAR 46,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

BRETE-POPE, NANCY CAROL;
Born in   U.S.A., PHILADELPHIA, PE on 14 AUGUST 1954
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   16 APRIL 1993
Authority   FULL
 
BRETE, ERIC ANTHONY;
Born in   ARUBA on 2 FEBRUARY 1951
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   9 JUNE 1999
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A.   HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN OF MEER PLEZIERJACHTEN;

B.   HET GEVEN VAN GELEGENHEID TOT HET BEOEFENEN VAN - ALSMEDE HET GEVEN VAN LESSEN OP HET GEBIED VAN - SCUBA-DIVING EN ANDERE WATERSPORT;

C.   DE KLEINHANDEL IN SOUVENIRARTIKELEN;

D.   HET VERHUREN VAN WATERSPORTBENODIGDHEDEN;

E.   HET BEMIDDELEN BIJ HET ORGANISEREN VAN EXCURSIES TE LAND;

Google translation:

A. THE OPERATION OF ONE OR MORE PLEASURE YACHTS;

B. TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VESSELS OF - AND TAKE LESSONS IN - SCUBA DIVING AND OTHER SPORTS;

C. IN THE RETAIL SOUVENIRS;

D. THE HIRING OF WATER SUPPLIES;

E. MEDIATION IN THE ORGANIZING LAND EXCURSIONS;

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Sane Development NV

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Fax: (297) 587-7722
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Tel: (297) 582-5520
Fax: (297) 587-7722
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Tel: (297) 582-5520
Fax: (297) 587-7722
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Domain Name.......... arubaprodive.com
Creation Date........ 2000-07-11
Registration Date.... 2002-06-14
Expiry Date.......... 2010-07-11
Organisation Name.... Sane Development N.V.
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From WAVE DANCER charters and ARUBA PRO DIVE If you want to have a great time,diving or sailing and snorkling. Great W.P, keep up the good work we here in aruba need it.

THANK YOU

E.A.BRETE
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17 Mar 1998
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Our wishes are,that one day the whole world wil come to Aruba,but not everybody at the same time.

Thank you

The Sane Gang

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Mr. Jeff Lesker (AHATA)
Mr. Alfonso Riveroll (AHATA)
Ms. Myrna Jansen (ATA)
Mr. Rob Smith (Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation)
Mr. Bill Carson (Banking Sector/AHATA)
Mr. Edwin Roos (Chamber of Commerce)
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 01:05:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


 ::MonkeyJustice::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 02:46:11 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67458.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Difficult to predict earthquake

January 14, 2010, 12:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The lack of a seismograph in Aruba plays a significant role in not predicting an early-type or tsunami.  says Mark Oduber of the meteorological department of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Two p.m. on Wednesday asked for four to Aruba was an earthquake with a magnitude of 4.2 on the Richter scale. The epicenter of the earthquake was at a depth of 12.2 kilometers below sea level, at a distance of 41 kilometer south of Aruba and 4 kilometer northeast of Cabo San Roman on the peninsula of Paraguana, Venezuela.

According to the earthquake in Haiti Oduber has nothing to do with this earthquake. The warnings that the island could be hit by a tsunami because the quake in Haiti, were not necessary. "If a tsunami was heading for Aruba, this had to be there in 45 minutes," said the meteorologist.

According Oduber, the meteorological department received complaints because they previously gave a warning that an earthquake would come to Aruba. "We do not have seismographs, so we rely heavily on the information that the Venezuelan seismological service Funvisis and the United States to give us", said Oduber. "If we would have our own equipment, it was enormously time gescheeld because we do not have to wait on others." The meteorologist has made several attempts to come to a seismograph, but nobody wants to fund the unit.
A seismograph (from Greek: seismos = earthquake and graphein = write) is a device that can record earthquake seismologists. This makes it possible for the composition of the various strata to study.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 02:51:20 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67456.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Claim Arkefly after bomb threat

January 14, 2010, 12:28 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Airline Arkefly plans for the damage caused by the delayed flight to Aruba and Curacao to recover the man who reported that a bomb was on board. It would be an Aruban, Aruban media reported, but the spokesman could not be confirmed Arkefly.

The Boeing 767-300ER was yesterday on his way from Airport to Aruba and Curaçao, when a confused and aggressive passenger repeatedly said that a bomb was on board. The plane landed as a precaution in Ireland and the 224 passengers were from the aircraft. They are using another device to Aruba and Curacao and flown in the night of Wednesday to Thursday arrived about three hours. Their luggage was left stranded in the unit. The Irish authorities have the equipment released Wednesday evening local time, after tests showed that there were no explosives on board, reports the website www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl.

Simone van de Berg, spokesman for Arkefly in the Netherlands, left this morning by telephone to Amigoe know that the airline wants to recover the damage on the passenger. Asked whether the passenger is an Aruban, she did not. "We never give out information about our privacy reasons passengers."
How much damage was caused by the delay of the Mountain could not say. "It will be many thousands of euros. But we are still trying to damage the overall mapping. This research will be a while yet, I expect. "
The use of half unit, the return flight of the first deployment of additional aircraft and crew of the first overtime and crew are all costs that will calculate Arkefly. The kerosene is included, the spokesman said. She has any damages to passengers on the flight Arkefly wish to submit, not included.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 02:55:03 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67455.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Serge Mansur gets out PDR

January 14, 2010, 12:27 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/14-pag-03-serge-mansur-_14-.gif)

Serge Mansur

ORANGE CITY - Serge Mansur is from Partido Democracia Real (PDR) stepped. The number two on the electoral list of PDR, during the elections last September won a seat, it was announced yesterday.

He is "very grateful that the party has given him the opportunity at such a high place to participate in the elections". Mansur said his conclusion to draw from the fact that he was not able to obtain enough votes. "My contribution to the election was not enough to help the party in a way that I wanted and I can only blame myself," said a press release from his hand. He said to be based on rational and realistic campaign he had conducted "based on fairness and not personal attacks or populist promises.

His decision to step out of politics until months after the election comes, has a reason. "I've taken my time for this decision. It remains a rather serious decision. Immediately after the election emotions also play a major role and that you want to fade away first before you take a decision, "said Mansur in a telephone conversation with Amigoe. Mansur says that he has left politics because he was convinced that a government of AVP or MEP would not be good for the island. "I thought there were enough people with the same idea. But that was not the case and then draw your conclusions. "Mansur is considered to wait until the elections of 2013 when PDR in parliament might have proven a group of one. "But eventually I finally decided to leave the party to resign. Last year, for the first five or six people from the commercial sector are eligible.

All of us I got the least votes. It should I draw my conclusions. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 06:39:25 PM
I couldn't make the embed link work, so I posted it from my photobucket below. 

http://www.tripfilms.com/Travel_Video-v71720-Oranjestad-Aruba_Natalee_Holloway-Video.html

by ckomar NYC

Uploaded:   01/06/2010
Filmed:   January, 2010

In Aruba, five years have passed since the disappearance of American tourist Natalee Holloway. Outside the location she was last seen alive, a new restaurant has been built and a question mark still remains.

Tags:  frogs chris oranjestad charlies and n holloway komar carlos senor natalee aruba

http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Aruba-NataleeHollowayVideo-Oranjest.flv


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 07:28:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15280/5/#comments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/januari/jan14/valero.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

diabierna gobierno of aruba will give conferencia on situation of refineria valero

thursday, 14 january 2010 - 17:43

gobierno of aruba diahuebs nightfall owing to come across cu ehecutivonan of refineria valero. they owing to arrive aruba on one vuelo priva of merca. minister mike de meza y also first minister mike eman owing to sit cu ehecutivonan of valero at aruba y merca. now they have one mihor view on the situation of the refineria y direccion cu the refineria at aruba wanted go. speculacion have much but diabierna morning first minister owing to confirma at 24ora.com cu they will splica the comunidad what is the situation. on cara of the mandatarionan can owing to see if cu they not was show of have one cara of mucho preocupacion. esey end is show good indicacion cu the meeting will not was so bad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 14, 2010, 11:43:47 PM
TLC has been running commercials all night for Sunday Night's shows:

Jan 17, 10:00 pm

(60 minutes) 
Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
 
TV-14 (DV)

Natalee Holloway's story is every parent's worst nightmare - the sudden and tragic disappearance of a child. Natalee's mother, Beth, has been searching for four years and may have finally found her answer from the least likely source ... the main suspect.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
TLC has been running commercials all night for Sunday Night's shows:

Jan 17, 10:00 pm

(60 minutes) 
Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
 
TV-14 (DV)

Natalee Holloway's story is every parent's worst nightmare - the sudden and tragic disappearance of a child. Natalee's mother, Beth, has been searching for four years and may have finally found her answer from the least likely source ... the main suspect.  

 ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks wreck!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 14, 2010, 11:54:47 PM
Did we post this yet?

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/01/peter_r_de_vries_in_bfilm.html

Through translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PeterdeVriesShow.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 14, 2010, 11:58:15 PM
Did we post this yet?

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/01/peter_r_de_vries_in_bfilm.html

Through translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PeterdeVriesShow.jpg)

No, I haven't seen it!  Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 01:55:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 15, 2010, 08:18:35 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67458.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Difficult to predict earthquake

January 14, 2010, 12:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The lack of a seismograph in Aruba plays a significant role in not predicting an early-type or tsunami.  says Mark Oduber of the meteorological department of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Two p.m. on Wednesday asked for four to Aruba was an earthquake with a magnitude of 4.2 on the Richter scale. The epicenter of the earthquake was at a depth of 12.2 kilometers below sea level, at a distance of 41 kilometer south of Aruba and 4 kilometer northeast of Cabo San Roman on the peninsula of Paraguana, Venezuela.

According to the earthquake in Haiti Oduber has nothing to do with this earthquake. The warnings that the island could be hit by a tsunami because the quake in Haiti, were not necessary. "If a tsunami was heading for Aruba, this had to be there in 45 minutes," said the meteorologist.

According Oduber, the meteorological department received complaints because they previously gave a warning that an earthquake would come to Aruba. "We do not have seismographs, so we rely heavily on the information that the Venezuelan seismological service Funvisis and the United States to give us", said Oduber. "If we would have our own equipment, it was enormously time gescheeld because we do not have to wait on others." The meteorologist has made several attempts to come to a seismograph, but nobody wants to fund the unit.
A seismograph (from Greek: seismos = earthquake and graphein = write) is a device that can record earthquake seismologists. This makes it possible for the composition of the various strata to study.

Thanks TxMm!

I found this intriguing - and falls right in line with Aruba having to contract out ANY type of study of its seabed...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 15, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
Did we post this yet?

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/01/peter_r_de_vries_in_bfilm.html

Through translator:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/PeterdeVriesShow.jpg)

No, I haven't seen it!  Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeySkate::

I see a familiar name amongst the comments......I tried a translator but it wasn't very good. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 15, 2010, 11:17:10 AM
2NJ, this is what I got:


"Yes mother looks much better than those grown Holloway witch"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 15, 2010, 11:18:57 AM
Whoops!  And this one

"determine if they show how the half-island of dr left heel slobber you have an evening program."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 15, 2010, 12:42:43 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

No offense, Jen, but your translator wasn't much better than the one I used.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67513.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Valero Oil companies and PDVSA in Government

January 15, 2010, 12:29 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban government yesterday met with representatives of Valero in San Antonio and the Venezuelan oil company PDVSA.

The delegations of the two companies arrived in private jets on the island. Immediately after arrival, they would have gone to the Government Office for talks with Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP) and Minister of Finance, Utilities, Energy and Communications Mike de Meza (AVP). Venezuela reportedly flew from representatives of the Government announced. After the talks the delegations departed again.

Earlier this week said the government of Curaçao met with the Government of Curacao and representatives of PDVSA and the regime of Hugo Chávez at the last minute, with the request or visit the neighboring island to begin in February could be done. Note also that Petro China, so far the main candidate to take over the refinery, not present at the talks. It is known that PetroChina and PDVSA have a contract at a favorable price for oil supply.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 01:50:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67512.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Weather summary proceedings against Marisol Diario

January 15, 2010, 12:29 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Marisol Lopez-Tromp MEP (MEP) get back to the court after her morning paper Diario again accused of corruption. The newspaper did this just one days after correcting earlier allegations. Tromp is this week a request for interim relief by the court resign.

Says owner and chief editor Jossy Mansur to welcome a new trial. "We were in the previous case indeed sufficient evidence for corruption, but that was only in the case Seroe Colorado. The other cases when not addressed, and therefor we have enough evidence. They lay in Papiamento which the judge she could not read. Since we understand so we translate them now. "

Administrative Research
Mansur said Monday from the translated documents are newspaper sites, so the judges and the Dutch researchers to understand the pieces later. The MediaMan refers to research on the actions of the Aruban government in recent years, which the Netherlands and Aruba have commissioned late last year. "It will be worse for her," said Mansur on Tromp, who in the past two governments MEP-Minister of Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure was.
Last week Thursday Tromp and Mansur came to a settlement for a correction after its Diairo accused of corruption. This correction was posted on Monday, but one days later, again on the front page of the newspaper that morning Tromp 'no doubt' is corrupt. Mansur explains why. "She is undoubtedly the most corrupt politician in the Aruban history and we continue writing until there is a conviction. We have enough documents, official government documents also. Corruption is not just money under the table slide, as it looks, but also the abuse of dominance and bias of your acquaintances, friends and family. She has done as Minister. She now presents itself as the Holy Virgin, the Aruban Jeanne D'Arc, but she is not consistent. "
Mansur is the charge of Tromp he was a personal feud against her started off as nonsense. The editor of Diario is also not waiting for her reply to be published. "Why in the newspaper space to someone who chronically lies."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 02:03:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67510.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New general manager at RBTT

January 15, 2010, 12:26 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/15-pag-05-rbtt-directeur-pi.gif)

Pierre Rafini

ORANGE CITY - RBTT Bank Aruba has announced that it had since November 25, 2009 a new managing director. Pierre Rafini is responsible for "Business Banking" and is attached directly to bank president and country head Edna Farro.

Rafini Farro and are jointly responsible for the daily management of the bank. This is in line with the directives of the Central Bank of Aruba, which has approved the appointment of Rafini. The new managing director is no stranger to RBTT. Since 2002 he works in the Corporate & Commercial Banking and since 2006 he has been a senior manager responsible for the Business Banking sector. Rafini has extensive banking experience in the retail banking sector, in insurance and marketing. He has an Associate Degree in Hospitality Management at the Aruba Hotel School and a Bachelor of Science in General Hospitality and Business Management with a major in Sales and Marketing & Public Relations from the University of Florida.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 15, 2010, 02:06:17 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

No offense, Jen, but your translator wasn't much better than the one I used.   

 ::MonkeyKiss::  None taken!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 15, 2010, 02:50:56 PM
2NJ, this is what I got:


"Yes mother looks much better than those grown Holloway witch"

Even their language is screwed up! 

Hey Jen! Are you ready to move to warmer climates for Valentine's Day?   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/Jen3.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/Jen3.gif

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 15, 2010, 04:42:49 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 15, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Ohhhhhh!!!  Thankies CBB!  I love it!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 15, 2010, 06:40:11 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

2nj.............. thank you so much for keeping Natalee's candles lit. I know that everyone feels just the way I do. Your efforts touch my heart.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 15, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
Ohhhhhh!!!  Thankies CBB!  I love it!  ::MonkeyKiss::

You're welcome, Jen! Glad you like it! Happy Valentine's Day!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 15, 2010, 08:24:57 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks, 2NJ!

 ::CowboySmiley::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

My understanding from this and other articles is that a pregnant mother of four was stabbed in the chest.  The knife (or other weapon) that she was stabbed with was not removed before she was transported to the hospital.  A "discussion" was mentioned prior to the stabbing, but the possibility that she may have accidentally stabbed herself is also mentioned.  One article described her condition as stable, this article said critical.

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=953:diabierna-atardi-a-sosode-un-caso-stranjo-di-hincamento-den-mandolinstraat&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

(http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2010/januari/jan15/mandolin/mandolin.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

Diabierna atardi a sosode un caso stranjo di hincamento den Mandolinstraat         

FRIDAY, 15 JANUARY 2010 21:54

ORANJESTAD- Diabierna atardi a sosode un caso caminda un senjora tabata tin un cuchiu staka den su pecho con esaki a sosode no tin clarida. Lo ta trata akina cu lo mester tabata tin un discucion caminda cu e victima lo a bai mester y a segu informacion compila e lo a hinca su mes cu e cuchiu den un forma accidental of a wordo hinca accidentalmente.

E ta na estado y ta mama di cuatro yiu.

Autiridadnan a presenta pa asina haci na investgacion. Y ambulans a transporta e victima cu urgencia pa hospital. E la wordo hiba den un situacion critico.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
Other links for the story:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15337/8/

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2449&offId=0&offDate=2010-1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 10:28:49 PM
All reports of the following death claim the man committed suicide, but an investigation to rule out homicide has been mentioned in this article.  From my understanding of another article he was an employee at Arikok National Park.

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=947:diablo-preto-ta-pone-fin-na-su-bida-awe-mainta-na-san-fuego&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

(http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2010/januari/jan14/db/info1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

devil black is place end at his life today morning at san fuego

thursday, 14 january 2010 13:24

oranjestad-awe morning one man is core arrive at post of the park rangers notificando they cu one conoci of dje owing to end of place end at his life. autoridadnan owing to wordo notifica of the sucedido y owing to present at the sitio. video at arrival of autoridadnan enberdad they owing to come achieve one an man cu owing to place end at his life. recherche together cu polisnan tecnico owing to haci at investigacion for so look at if not can have caso of homicidio. docter moengra owing to constata dead of benito arcadio angela alias devil black naci at aruba 12-01-1956 y was live at san fuego 44. peace at his restonan.

Other links to the story:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15257/1/

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2441&offId=0&offDate=2010-1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 10:35:46 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2446&offId=0&offDate=2010-1

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to ordena ex-chef protocol for less his tent for of on beach

diabierna morning police owing to go at the beach near of costa linda for so avisa the ex-chef protocol eric brete for her retira his tent poni on the beach. past owing to hana instruccion for retira all cos at once come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 10:41:56 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


 ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 15, 2010, 11:20:41 PM
I just love this!   ::CowboySmiley::

HT Klaasend

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/natalee-holloway/

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/KalpoeCourtroom2010_SM.jpg)


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:05:26 PM
Not that anybody really cares but...

::MonkeyJnBox:: Yous will never guess who the newest member is over at BNH!    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

What does "newest member" really mean over there anyway?   ::MonkeyRoll::

Seems more like a rehash of oldies to me.  JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:09:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67575.php

Google translation:

International Media Conference

January 16, 2010, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-pag-03-eman-met-mu_oz-_1.gif)
 
Premier Mike Eman (AVP) with director Julio Munoz of Inter American Press Association.


ORANGE CITY - In March, about 300 journalists and media representatives to Aruba for the annual meeting of the Inter American Press Association (IAPA). It is the first time the event takes place here.

IAPA director Julio Muñoz of this week brought a visit to Aruba in preparation for the meeting in March. He spoke with the local press Prime Minister and yesterday with Mike Eman (AVP). IAPA, founded in 1942, is one of the oldest press organization in the world with 2,500 journalists and other media representatives as members. Also in 1390 media publications of the organization. IAPA casts himself as guardian of press freedom violations and registers in the United States, Canada, Latin, Central and Central America and the Caribbean. The organization also has an institute that the press media in Latin America, technical assistance and a scholarship fund for educational purposes.

From March 19 to 22 in the Westin Aruba are given several seminars, including E-commerce and relationship with the news media in Latin America, the online platform journalists and success stories of free newspapers. The press organization makes a special appeal to more media people and also to drivers of Venezuela to the meeting, because the press in this country under strong pressure. Journalists of the ABC islands which are not members may participate at a special rate at the conference.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:11:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67572.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

The Aruban acquisition Five candidates are auctioned

January 16, 2010, 14:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Five candidates are reported for the sale of The Aruban Resort. This lets the government know. She works hard on a plan for The Aruban short term to reopen. The property must be sold through an auction.

According to Minister of Tourism, Transport and Labor Otmar Oduber (AVP) is a management team ready for the hotel "within 24 hours to open '. He says the government a "moral debt" has to be paid. "The legal part must be resolved. There is a business and people and businesses are ready to reopen the hotel. "The mortgage holders, around 4,800 people in a timeshare unit, have yet to agree.

An alternative is to wait until the general meeting of shareholders time. This will be held next month. During this meeting may be decided to appoint a new management team. This would, the government within five to six weeks can be achieved. Both solutions are temporary, says Oduber out. It is intended that the hotel eventually be sold through an auction. "Before the sale was around, but we at least four or five months away."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:14:13 PM


Hi 2NJ!

I hope you have a great weekend!  It's raining and cold here today.  Yuck!   ::MonkeyRain::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:17:49 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67573.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Romar Trading Aruba Heineken takes over

January 16, 2010, 14:31 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The beverage distributor of Heineken in Aruba by Romar Trading acquired. Yesterday both partners agreed that Romar's shares Aruba Heineken takes over from February 1.

Most of the eighteen members of staff Heineken is about, says director Hans Mondria. "What happened to the rest of the staff has not yet happened is dependent on Romar. Within two weeks is now more clarity. "Heineken said the acquisition does not affect customers and consumers will see little of. Romar Trading remains the brands Heineken, Amstel Bright, Vita Malt and Claro and will possibly sell more products from the Dutch brewery on the Aruban market will bring. There are ongoing major beer sponsor events like the recent years has made in ensuring Hebbe Festival, various carnival groups, to Route Rumshops, Aruba Hi-Winds, Aruba Heineken Regatta, Green City and Green Village.

"Heineken and Amstel have a rich history built in Aruba, which date back to the early '60s and we continue that tradition under the banner of Romar Trading, with the same passion, responsiveness and enthusiasm as ever", said the acquired company.

Specifically, Romar next month the distribution, marketing and administration make the Heineken products. Mondria already said in this newspaper the reason for the rejection of the distribution by the brewer. "It was never intended to do the distribution themselves. That does not really fit into the long-term strategy of Heineken. "Seven years ago, Consales distribution of Heineken and Amstel on the islands (Aruba, Curacao and St. Maarten, ed). When the company suddenly went bankrupt, Heineken would take over the distribution hastily. "

The Dutch brewer is also in the region engaged in a reorganization of its offices.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67570.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Requirement: 4 years probation for fatal accident

January 16, 2010, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The prosecution has a suspended sentence of four months and 160 hours service sentence for a man to cause a fatal accident. The man F.Y.R.A. lost his wife.

The accident happened on July 27, 2008 at the Irene Street, Julia Street intersection. A. was drunk behind the wheel and drove that night at the intersection at high speed off. He had no preference and was hit by another car. The blow was his wife, sitting next to him, thrown out after she died. The court gave A. that he was guilty. He was aware that he was drunk that night and rode hard. He also gave to the passing of the crossing had not careful or other traffic was coming. The suspect also said still to drink alcohol when going out. It was less than before, according to A. on the right. The court asked the mother of the victim compensation of 12,000 florin for the funeral of her daughter. The mother stated several times in the A. on the account to have had no result. The suspect said to the judge not to be aware of the charges, but was now prepared to pay them.

The prosecutor found evidence that A. was guilty of causing the fatal accident. The suspect had admitted himself because no priority at the junction to have given, the officer said. This was gone along with the fact that A. and his children for the rest of their lives remain marked. Therefore lowers the prosecution strafeis of the normal four months to one years imprisonment with conditional cell 160 hours service and probation for 2 years. The officer put it questions the behavior of A. because it is said still to drink when going out.

The lawyer of A. said his client was prepared to service. However, the lawyer questioned the other motorist was involved in the accident. This would also drunk, also the brakes were not right. According to the lawyer why the other driver would not have been able to avoid an accident. The court will rule on January 28.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:23:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67571.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Interested in PdVSA refinery

January 16, 2010, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA has also shown interest in the Aruba refinery in San Nicolas. Thursday arrived representatives of the Venezuelan government and the company to talk with the Aruban government on the future of the refinery. Even executives from the headquarters of Valero had come over.

It is not known whether the Venezuelans to buy the refinery or otherwise share in the refinery would have. The negotiations that took place yesterday, according to the Aruban government seemed in a good direction to go. There was an urgent press conference that the government important news about refinery step forward. That press conference was canceled.

The delegations of both PDVSA and Valero have since returned home. Last night showed late premier Mike Eman (AVP) said Tuesday hopefully more to tell about the future of the refinery.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 03:27:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67517.php

Google translation:

Civil service in August

January 15, 2010, 12:35 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The government has appointed a commission to the Navy-making and training (CSR) to realize. The trajectory is called a civil service for disadvantaged unemployed people. It is intended that the service in August of this year introduced.

The service is the position of youth in society and in the labor market. Netherlands supports the project financially and organizationally. "Young people not attending school and not working also, often behave badly. They focus on gangs or join an existing group. With negative consequences, "said Premier Mike Eman (AVP) with the newly formed committee has spoken. This committee has representatives of the EPB Foundation, the Royal Navy, the Children and Vice, Department of Labor and the Ministry of General Affairs. The Prime Minister, there is enough support in society for such a journey.

Call
The CSR is modeled along the lines of the Future project Antillean Militia (TAM). Young people between 18 and 24 years who do not study and are not working have to abandon their civil duty to perform. These youngsters are all called and inspected. Then a selection of about 75 people to follow the MOU. It is envisaged that each half of young people are called.

Tours last twelve months and consists of a disciplinary area with military training, and a part which the participant is prepared for work. Companies working on this second part by showing them what work is available for youth. During the performance of the civil service to stay in the shelter of the young marines and fall under military disciplinary barracks. This means that young people fall under the same rules as military personnel and also be punished the same way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 04:22:57 PM
I've been watching for updates on this one, but so far nothing more about it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 00:16

caso of suicidio at san nicolas, more detayes at caminda come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 05:30:12 PM


Hi Sis!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 16, 2010, 06:23:46 PM
I've been watching for updates on this one, but so far nothing more about it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 00:16

caso of suicidio at san nicolas, more detayes at caminda come across
Is the "hand in one pocket" motiff still in vogue??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 16, 2010, 07:11:16 PM


Hi Sis!   ::HelloKitty::

Hi Sweetie!

Thanks for keeping the light on in here!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 07:21:44 PM
I've been watching for updates on this one, but so far nothing more about it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 00:16

caso of suicidio at san nicolas, more detayes at caminda come across

Not sure, but I think this is probably about the same case. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15372/8/

Papiamentu translation:

suicidio at weg rooi hundo

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 19:33

diabierna night famianan owing to come come across cu one being keri of they horca in forest. is deal here of ruben luisito dirksz naci at aruba of 15 of april 1950 y was live at weg rooi hundo 94 at san nicolaas. the person was depresief y owing to calling one person y bise kico the was planea of haci. but for hour they owing to hanja his miss y cu owing to bay busca in forest (badmanfield) they owing to come hanje colga. do not previous to bez cu the person owing to deal of place one end at his life. paz at his restonan. click read more for more imagen...


 ::MonkeyEek::

Spanish translation:

Famiano night diabierna Owing to come come across cu keri one of they being hanged in forest. deal here is of ruben luisito Dirksz born at aruba of 15 of April 1950  and was live at Rooi weg sink 94 at san nicola . the person was and depresief Owing to calling one person and the was planned kico bise of haci. but for hours they Owing to his miss and hanja cu Owing to bay looking in forest (badmanfield) Owing to come hanja they hung up. do not previous to bez cu Owing to the person deal of place one end at his life. peace at his Reston. Click read more for more image ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 07:23:38 PM
I've been watching for updates on this one, but so far nothing more about it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 00:16

caso of suicidio at san nicolas, more detayes at caminda come across
Is the "hand in one pocket" motiff still in vogue??

Very well could be wreck.  It sure took them a long time to follow up on the report of that one today.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 07:24:35 PM


Hi Sis!   ::HelloKitty::

Hi Sweetie!

Thanks for keeping the light on in here!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
I've been watching for updates on this one, but so far nothing more about it.   ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of suicidio

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 00:16

caso of suicidio at san nicolas, more detayes at caminda come across

Not sure, but I think this is probably about the same case. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15372/8/

Papiamentu translation:

suicidio at weg rooi hundo

saturday, 16 january 2010 - 19:33

diabierna night famianan owing to come come across cu one being keri of they horca in forest. is deal here of ruben luisito dirksz naci at aruba of 15 of april 1950 y was live at weg rooi hundo 94 at san nicolaas. the person was depresief y owing to calling one person y bise kico the was planea of haci. but for hour they owing to hanja his miss y cu owing to bay busca in forest (badmanfield) they owing to come hanje colga. do not previous to bez cu the person owing to deal of place one end at his life. paz at his restonan. click read more for more imagen...


 ::MonkeyEek::

Spanish translation:

Famiano night diabierna Owing to come come across cu keri one of they being hanged in forest. deal here is of ruben luisito Dirksz born at aruba of 15 of April 1950  and was live at Rooi weg sink 94 at san nicola . the person was and depresief Owing to calling one person and the was planned kico bise of haci. but for hours they Owing to his miss and hanja cu Owing to bay looking in forest (badmanfield) Owing to come hanja they hung up. do not previous to bez cu Owing to the person deal of place one end at his life. peace at his Reston. Click read more for more image ...

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2453&offId=0&offDate=2010-1

Papiamentu/Spanish translation:

man is at his place end his life hanging self at one cabuya colga bao kill in forest

diabierna Owing to enter late night report cu Owing to place his life at an end weg Rooi sink, at once directed one Owing to patrol at the site. at arrival of Owing to patrol they Owing to ruben luisito Dirksz notes cu aruba born at 15 of April 1950 and was sinking live at Rooi weg cu Owing to place his life at end of door hanging Owing to Curpa colga cu bao of one kill in the forest behind the cas. Owing to requests yudanza of body of fireman Owing to come cu cu material for hanging around for work can happen. according unofficial information we Owing to cu cu ricibi is depressed and the was much Owing to calling one person and was planning what the bise of haci, hour cu they miss his Owing to Achieve Owing to bay they seek in forest badman's field they Owing to come haye hanging. more cu one occasion at the Owing to kill his deal of CURP. at Famiano of the bay we fayecido is more sincere words of condolence. come across



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2010, 07:52:51 PM


Hi 2NJ!

I hope you have a great weekend!  It's raining and cold here today.  Yuck!   ::MonkeyRain::

Hi, TM!

The weekend, so far, has been good.  Freezing rain predicted for tomorrow, I think.

Thanks for all the latest news.    ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2010, 07:52:58 PM
A REMINDER

Natalee Holloway's uncle had his concerns regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor when he considered the involvement of the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for his niece since the getgo.


++++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »


I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2010, 07:58:21 PM
A REMINDER

The concerns of Natalee Holloway's uncle regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor were realized on January 7, 2008.


++++++++

Kyle Kingman -  In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Credit: Kermit @ Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
THE BETRAYAL

If justice for Natalee Holloway, closure for her family and accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily supported the endeavor was John Silvetti's objective ... he had a moral obligation to ensure that there was an FBI presence on board the Persistence when the contents of the trap were retrieved by the Aruban enemy
.

+++++++

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »


Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857;topicseen#msg366857


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:
The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Credit:  Kermit @ Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2010, 09:57:53 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2010, 10:02:35 PM
If Beth Holloway was not a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal ... I firmly believe that the Natalee's Freebirds would not have been afforded her permission to expose those words.  After all ... both the reputation of John Silvetti and credibility of the Persistence undertaking was in the balance.

When the following words of the former administrator (Jen) of the Natalee's Freebirds are consider ... Beth Holloway and I are on the same page regarding Kyle Kingman's own words.

It is my opinion that  the threatened exposure of the Persistence ROV footage along with Kyle Kingman's own words imply that pressure could be put on Aruba/Holland by the family and/or the FBI to release Natalee Holloway's remains and afford those who love her a measure measure of closure knowing she is home and is resting on American soil.

Janet

+++++++

FLASHBACK:  THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL EXPOSED!

NOVEMBER, 2008

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly. At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

++++++


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER
 
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She  deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
 
 
NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER
 
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 16, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 16, 2010, 10:42:32 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 16, 2010, 10:50:16 PM
IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NOTHING MORE,MOTHING LESS


::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2010, 11:03:44 PM
Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise    TLC on January 17, 2010 at 10pm ET....check your local listings.   It will be repeated per the website tv listing.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 16, 2010, 11:11:32 PM
Thanks 2 NJ...! :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2010, 11:18:18 PM
Thanks 2 NJ...! :2waver:

YW, Mere.  TM posted about it a few days back and Wreck also posted about the promos....just wanted to put a 'reminder' out there for everyone.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2010, 11:22:14 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2010, 11:23:28 PM
OMG I made a post and forgot I changed my avatar and thought it was someone else ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 16, 2010, 11:25:53 PM
If Beth Holloway was not a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal ... I firmly believe that the Natalee's Freebirds would not have been afforded her permission to expose those words.  After all ... both the reputation of John Silvetti and credibility of the Persistence undertaking was in the balance.

When the following words of the former administrator (Jen) of the Natalee's Freebirds are consider ... Beth Holloway and I are on the same page regarding Kyle Kingman's own words.

It is my opinion that  the threatened exposure of the Persistence ROV footage along with Kyle Kingman's own words imply that pressure could be put on Aruba/Holland by the family and/or the FBI to release Natalee Holloway's remains and afford those who love her a measure measure of closure knowing she is home and is resting on American soil.

Janet

+++++++

FLASHBACK:  THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL EXPOSED!

NOVEMBER, 2008

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly. At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

++++++


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER
 
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She  deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
 
 
NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER
 
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824

Natalee should be home....
If the persistence powers that be prevented that.....they have to live with it...
I hope it is sorted out soon.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 16, 2010, 11:26:33 PM
IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NOTHING MORE,MOTHING LESS


::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 16, 2010, 11:26:36 PM
OMG I made a post and forgot I changed my avatar and thought it was someone else ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi there....less than 2 days....! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 16, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.

HI SAn!
Love the outfit, lol

Yeah, I hope to be able to also. THe hands have been acting up a bit, so I don't wanna stress them too much. BUT, I do read faithfully! I am one of the Guests in the Rafters! lol

BTW, last piccys I saw of your Boys, they are growing up quite handsome!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 16, 2010, 11:29:33 PM
OMG I made a post and forgot I changed my avatar and thought it was someone else ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And I was just thinking how fetching you look in your new outfit.

Not very practical for chasing the puppies though


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 11:29:49 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!


I'm so glad you came by Artcolley, I've missed you!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for your kindness.   ::MonkeyKiss::

We are so fortunate to have Klaas, and all of the wonderful mods here.  They're the BEST!  

I hope you're able to be back with us more really soon, I really appreciate your take on things!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2010, 11:35:17 PM
OMG I made a post and forgot I changed my avatar and thought it was someone else ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi there....less than 2 days....! ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 16, 2010, 11:36:35 PM
Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise    TLC on January 17, 2010 at 10pm ET....check your local listings.   It will be repeated per the website tv listing.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0

Thanks for the reminder 2NJ!  It comes on at 9pm here, I've already selected it on the auto tuner or whatever it's called so it will automatically switch there when it's time.  Just in case someone's watching another western or something, lol.  I think it's probably one I've seen before, but I'm watching it again!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2010, 11:37:05 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.

HI SAn!
Love the outfit, lol

Yeah, I hope to be able to also. THe hands have been acting up a bit, so I don't wanna stress them too much. BUT, I do read faithfully! I am one of the Guests in the Rafters! lol

BTW, last piccys I saw of your Boys, they are growing up quite handsome!

I will take more pictures when I can get them in the same shot.  They are so fast it's hard to get them at the same time.

They just went to my brothers house for a sleepover.  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 16, 2010, 11:40:32 PM
OMG I made a post and forgot I changed my avatar and thought it was someone else ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And I was just thinking how fetching you look in your new outfit.

Not very practical for chasing the puppies though

Hi Tibro good to see you too.  Chasing ain't the word.  They run run run all day long and never get tired.  My brother takes them to the beach to run with his friends Pitbull who is about one month younger than them.  My dogs ignore him and they run after each other.  The pitbull tries to keep up with them.  His friend said when he goes home his dog can't move for two days because he is so tired from playing with my dogs.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 16, 2010, 11:41:27 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!


I'm so glad you came by Artcolley, I've missed you!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for your kindness.   ::MonkeyKiss::

We are so fortunate to have Klaas, and all of the wonderful mods here.  They're the BEST!  

I hope you're able to be back with us more really soon, I really appreciate your take on things!   ::MonkeyCool::


AW, thank You!

Its nice to see you too!
And I don't know how you do all you do, but I sure appreciate it.

BTW, wonder if Aruba felt that earthquake in Venezuela yesterday?
Wonder if they think its a "message"?    ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 16, 2010, 11:43:19 PM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.

HI SAn!
Love the outfit, lol

Yeah, I hope to be able to also. THe hands have been acting up a bit, so I don't wanna stress them too much. BUT, I do read faithfully! I am one of the Guests in the Rafters! lol

BTW, last piccys I saw of your Boys, they are growing up quite handsome!

I will take more pictures when I can get them in the same shot.  They are so fast it's hard to get them at the same time.

They just went to my brothers house for a sleepover.  ::MonkeyCheer4::

OH, Great, San! I look forward to seeing them again!
A sleepover, hmmm. I am SURE you made them wear their little jammies and take their toothbrushes?    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 16, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::  I cannot see those two staying still long enough to be "dressed"

Adding my thanks to Texasmom, Magnolia, Jen, Wreck, 2NJ, San and Klaas for all they do on this thread.

Take care Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 16, 2010, 11:58:19 PM
::MonkeyDevil::  I cannot see those two staying still long enough to be "dressed"

Adding my thanks to Texasmom, Magnolia, Jen, Wreck, 2NJ, San and Klaas for all they do on this thread.

Take care Monkeys

 ::MonkeyKiss::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.

HI SAn!
Love the outfit, lol

Yeah, I hope to be able to also. THe hands have been acting up a bit, so I don't wanna stress them too much. BUT, I do read faithfully! I am one of the Guests in the Rafters! lol

BTW, last piccys I saw of your Boys, they are growing up quite handsome!

I will take more pictures when I can get them in the same shot.  They are so fast it's hard to get them at the same time.

They just went to my brothers house for a sleepover.  ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I wish someone would take all of mine for a sleepover!  I guess that could be a bit much to ask!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 12:02:41 AM
::MonkeyDevil::  I cannot see those two staying still long enough to be "dressed"

Adding my thanks to Texasmom, Magnolia, Jen, Wreck, 2NJ, San and Klaas for all they do on this thread.

Take care Monkeys

It's always great to see you too Tibro!  Take care!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 12:08:43 AM
IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NOTHING MORE,MOTHING LESS


::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::
Good to see ya Billb.THE FOCUS IS JUSTICE..... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 17, 2010, 12:08:55 AM
Artcolley - dang!  Sorry I missed you!  Great to see you!  Have you seen my little monster puppy?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 17, 2010, 12:11:53 AM
::MonkeyDevil::  I cannot see those two staying still long enough to be "dressed"

Adding my thanks to Texasmom, Magnolia, Jen, Wreck, 2NJ, San and Klaas for all they do on this thread.

Take care Monkeys

ROFLMAO, yeah, they appear to be a bit too active for DR. Dentons PJ's with a flapdoodle, lol

Nice to see you, Tib


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 12:14:15 AM
IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NOTHING MORE,MOTHING LESS


::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::
Good to see ya Billb.THE FOCUS IS JUSTICE..... ::MonkeyMad::
Why would someone from Aruba be interested in Montanja32?Anyone...



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 17, 2010, 12:15:09 AM
Artcolley - dang!  Sorry I missed you!  Great to see you!  Have you seen my little monster puppy?

Hi Klaas!
OMG Petey is the cutest little thing! I adore him!!!!
You must be so thrilled having that little bundle of joy!
And Yes, I've seen his photos of his antics, and I LOVE him! So cute! Your other , older dog seems so nuturing to him,too.

I hope to be around more, Klaas. I really miss all of you a lot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 17, 2010, 12:16:09 AM
Artcolley - dang!  Sorry I missed you!  Great to see you!  Have you seen my little monster puppy?

Hi Klaas!
OMG Petey is the cutest little thing! I adore him!!!!
You must be so thrilled having that little bundle of joy!
And Yes, I've seen his photos of his antics, and I LOVE him! So cute! Your other , older dog seems so nuturing to him,too.

I hope to be around more, Klaas. I really miss all of you a lot

THat should have read, "nurturing"
"Typos are me", lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 12:16:39 AM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!


I'm so glad you came by Artcolley, I've missed you!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for your kindness.   ::MonkeyKiss::

We are so fortunate to have Klaas, and all of the wonderful mods here.  They're the BEST!  

I hope you're able to be back with us more really soon, I really appreciate your take on things!   ::MonkeyCool::


AW, thank You!

Its nice to see you too!
And I don't know how you do all you do, but I sure appreciate it.

BTW, wonder if Aruba felt that earthquake in Venezuela yesterday?
Wonder if they think its a "message"?
    ::MonkeyJnBox::

I was wondering the same!  I couldn't really tell from this map where it was in relation to Aruba, maybe someone a little more map friendly can.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15342/6/#comments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/januari/jan15/Venezuela_map.jpg)

earthquake of 5.4 at venezuela

friday, 15 january 2010 - 15:17

alrededor of 2’or of afternoon venezuela owing to experencia another sacudimento of ground, the trip here one bit more pisa of 5.4. this at barely 2.4 kilometer of surface at carupano, then casi at ground. do not conoci the dañonan still. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 17, 2010, 12:17:06 AM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.

HI SAn!
Love the outfit, lol

Yeah, I hope to be able to also. THe hands have been acting up a bit, so I don't wanna stress them too much. BUT, I do read faithfully! I am one of the Guests in the Rafters! lol

BTW, last piccys I saw of your Boys, they are growing up quite handsome!

I will take more pictures when I can get them in the same shot.  They are so fast it's hard to get them at the same time.

They just went to my brothers house for a sleepover.  ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I wish someone would take all of mine for a sleepover!  I guess that could be a bit much to ask!   ::MonkeyDevil::

ROFLMAO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 12:23:45 AM
If Beth Holloway was not a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal ... I firmly believe that the Natalee's Freebirds would not have been afforded her permission to expose those words.  After all ... both the reputation of John Silvetti and credibility of the Persistence undertaking was in the balance.

When the following words of the former administrator (Jen) of the Natalee's Freebirds are consider ... Beth Holloway and I are on the same page regarding Kyle Kingman's own words.

It is my opinion that  the threatened exposure of the Persistence ROV footage along with Kyle Kingman's own words imply that pressure could be put on Aruba/Holland by the family and/or the FBI to release Natalee Holloway's remains and afford those who love her a measure measure of closure knowing she is home and is resting on American soil.

Janet

+++++++

FLASHBACK:  THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL EXPOSED!

NOVEMBER, 2008

klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »


Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly. At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

++++++


NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER
 
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She  deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
 
 
NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER
 
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824

Natalee should be home....
If the persistence powers that be prevented that.....they have to live with it...
I hope it is sorted out soon.......

Much Agreed BillB ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 12:29:32 AM
IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NOTHING MORE,MOTHING LESS


::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::
Good to see ya Billb.THE FOCUS IS JUSTICE..... ::MonkeyMad::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 12:32:17 AM
IT'S ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

NOTHING MORE,MOTHING LESS


::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::
Good to see ya Billb.THE FOCUS IS JUSTICE..... ::MonkeyMad::
Why would someone from Aruba be interested in Montanja32?Anyone...



Referring URL  http://search.yahoo....&fr=slv8-hptb6&sao=1
Search Engine  search.yahoo.com
Search Words  montanja 32a
Visit Entry Page   http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=1964.960
Visit Exit Page   http://scaredmonkeys...x.php?topic=1964.960


Maybe they live there?   ::MonkeyWink::
Tm... ::CowboySmiley::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 17, 2010, 12:45:39 AM
Good Nite, sweet Monkeys

Its time for me to hit the hay

Nice seeing you all, keep up the good work!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 17, 2010, 12:47:06 AM
Artcolley - dang!  Sorry I missed you!  Great to see you!  Have you seen my little monster puppy?

Hi Klaas!
OMG Petey is the cutest little thing! I adore him!!!!
You must be so thrilled having that little bundle of joy!
And Yes, I've seen his photos of his antics, and I LOVE him! So cute! Your other , older dog seems so nuturing to him,too.

I hope to be around more, Klaas. I really miss all of you a lot



THat should have read, "nurturing"
"Typos are me", lol


Nite Artcolley! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 17, 2010, 12:51:33 AM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!


I'm so glad you came by Artcolley, I've missed you!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for your kindness.   ::MonkeyKiss::

We are so fortunate to have Klaas, and all of the wonderful mods here.  They're the BEST!  

I hope you're able to be back with us more really soon, I really appreciate your take on things!   ::MonkeyCool::


AW, thank You!

Its nice to see you too!
And I don't know how you do all you do, but I sure appreciate it.

BTW, wonder if Aruba felt that earthquake in Venezuela yesterday?
Wonder if they think its a "message"?
    ::MonkeyJnBox::

I was wondering the same!  I couldn't really tell from this map where it was in relation to Aruba, maybe someone a little more map friendly can.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15342/6/#comments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/januari/jan15/Venezuela_map.jpg)

earthquake of 5.4 at venezuela

friday, 15 january 2010 - 15:17

alrededor of 2’or of afternoon venezuela owing to experencia another sacudimento of ground, the trip here one bit more pisa of 5.4. this at barely 2.4 kilometer of surface at carupano, then casi at ground. do not conoci the dañonan still. come across


They likely did not feel the Haiti quake but might have felt this one (although much much smaller)

(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/295_10.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 01:02:43 AM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 01:04:23 AM
Good Nite, sweet Monkeys

Its time for me to hit the hay

Nice seeing you all, keep up the good work!



Good night Artcolley, take care!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 02:29:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 17, 2010, 03:34:53 AM
Texasmom

I don't post too much, BUT, I do want you to know I read your posts all the time and truly appreciate all you do here for Natalee and her family by bringing the news, etc.

Kudos to you, you keep this thread alive along with Magnolia, Wreck and others who REALLY care.

Thank you  so much

Its been so nice to read here the past few weeks, all the old loyal monkeys have joined in and it was so wonderful to see them all.

Hopefully, I will be able to join in more soon

Of course, I must not forget our wonderful Klaas and San and other Mods who do such an excellent job as well!

JUst wanted to say hi to you all!

Artcolley good to see you.  Looking forward to seeing you post more.

I agree!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 17, 2010, 03:36:21 AM
OMG I made a post and forgot I changed my avatar and thought it was someone else ::MonkeyHaHa::

I knew that and yet I had to check your name................twice!


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 17, 2010, 08:02:19 AM
Not that anybody really cares but...

::MonkeyJnBox:: Yous will never guess who the newest member is over at BNH!    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

What does "newest member" really mean over there anyway?   ::MonkeyRoll::

Seems more like a rehash of oldies to me.  JMO



 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

Oh, don't tell me  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Soulless miscreants -- still providing comic relief at least  ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't they EVER get tired -- Don't they ever feel dirty?? Will they ever tire of their lies?? Don't they EVER miss their souls?

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT......IT DOES!!!

JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 12:49:49 PM
Not that anybody really cares but...

::MonkeyJnBox:: Yous will never guess who the newest member is over at BNH!    ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

What does "newest member" really mean over there anyway?   ::MonkeyRoll::

Seems more like a rehash of oldies to me.  JMO



 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

Oh, don't tell me  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Soulless miscreants -- still providing comic relief at least  ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't they EVER get tired -- Don't they ever feel dirty?? Will they ever tire of their lies?? Don't they EVER miss their souls?


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT......IT DOES!!!

JUSTICE for Natalee Holloway
Peace for her family and loved ones.



Hi Sharon!   :smt006

Yes, I think you.... (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/nail.gif)

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 17, 2010, 01:12:24 PM
CENTRALE BANK VAN ARUBA
Continued slowdown in the Aruba economy
Summary of the monthly bulletin for May 2009


The economy of Aruba has yet to  bounch back from the current economic slowdown.
The real BBO, an indicator of production on the island, dropped by 21.0 percent in
May 2009, compared to the correspoinding period of 2008. During the first five months
of 2009 the real turnover tax revenue (BBO) dclined by Afl.5.7 million or 9.1 percent.

Preliminary data on real touism receipts show a 10.4 percent contraction in May 2009,
compared to an 8.3 percent increase in the correspoinding period of 2008. In May 2009,
the average occupancy rate of both hotels and timeshares registered a 3.3 percentage points fall to 68.2 percent, compared to a year earlier.
The number of cruise passengers
dropped by 13.3 percent compared to May 2008,
while the number of ship calls grew by
66.7 percent, indicating that relatively smaller ships called at Aruba's port.
(Source: http://tinyurl.com/ye33ano)

(http://www.bucuticam.com/arubacam.jpg)

TODAY in Aruba - TOURISTS MUST BE BANNED FROM THE BEACH cuz I don't see any.




(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/833/arubatouristsatradisson.jpg)


TOURISTS POURING IN TO RADISSION IN ARUBA- THERE ARE SO MANY THEY ARE BANNED FROM JUMPING IN THE POOL TOO - (a webshot is worth a thousand words)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 17, 2010, 02:01:57 PM
Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise    TLC on January 17, 2010 at 10pm ET....check your local listings.   It will be repeated per the website tv listing.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0

Dang, Golden Globe Awards tonight too.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 17, 2010, 02:16:27 PM
Party rejects Nelson Oduber’s proponed Cabinet
New parliament members sworn in yesterday
A.M. Digital
10/29/2005
Minister Marisol Lopez-Tromp is to remain with the portfolio of Infrastructure and relinquish Social Affairs to get Aruba Lotto instead;
posted by Getagrip at 10/29/2005 11:54:00 AM   

During her second elections she achieved 4708 votes and so in November 2001 Marisol Lopez-Tromp became Minister of Social Affairs & Infrastructure for the Oduber III Cabinet.
 http://www.minszi.aw/womenpower.htm

HAM BONE CONNECTED TO THE FOOT BONE
 Marisol Lopez-Tromp part of Oduber's cabinet
Paulus and Nelson Oduber both got their educ ation in Tilburg
Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8

On 5-24-06 ARUBAAN's news-sourced "Amigoe.com" reported:

I am Carlos Severino Tromp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mrs.Beth Twitty.
>>>Dear mrs. Twitty,



My open letter to mrs Beth Twitty, duped because of Aruba
The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of April 2008
Dear mrs Elizabeth (Beth) Twitty,
I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website
http://www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter via the website YOU TUBE for the injustice the ministry of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is injustice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war! There is, alas, no justice in my country of birth Aruba, because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber Prime Minister is corrupt, the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption. The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political Organisation and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.
<snip>
This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.
But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and IF Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom; thus states the Holy Bible!
Yours Sincerely,
C.S. Tromp
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 02:19:47 PM
Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise    TLC on January 17, 2010 at 10pm ET....check your local listings.   It will be repeated per the website tv listing.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0

Dang, Golden Globe Awards tonight too.



It's on more than once here, check your local listings maybe you can do both!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
Party rejects Nelson Oduber’s proponed Cabinet
New parliament members sworn in yesterday
A.M. Digital
10/29/2005
Minister Marisol Lopez-Tromp is to remain with the portfolio of Infrastructure and relinquish Social Affairs to get Aruba Lotto instead;
posted by Getagrip at 10/29/2005 11:54:00 AM   

During her second elections she achieved 4708 votes and so in November 2001 Marisol Lopez-Tromp became Minister of Social Affairs & Infrastructure for the Oduber III Cabinet.
 http://www.minszi.aw/womenpower.htm

HAM BONE CONNECTED TO THE FOOT BONE
 Marisol Lopez-Tromp part of Oduber's cabinet
Paulus and Nelson Oduber both got their educ ation in Tilburg
Jan van der Straaten, Tilburg University, The Netherlands
.conbio.org/activities/meetings/2002/website/symposia2.html#Symposium8

On 5-24-06 ARUBAAN's news-sourced "Amigoe.com" reported:

I am Carlos Severino Tromp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mrs.Beth Twitty.
>>>Dear mrs. Twitty,



My open letter to mrs Beth Twitty, duped because of Aruba
The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of April 2008
Dear mrs Elizabeth (Beth) Twitty,
I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website
http://www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter via the website YOU TUBE for the injustice the ministry of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is injustice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war! There is, alas, no justice in my country of birth Aruba, because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber Prime Minister is corrupt, the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption. The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political Organisation and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.
<snip>
This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.
But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and IF Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom; thus states the Holy Bible!
Yours Sincerely,
C.S. Tromp
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/




http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67355.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Diario Marisol again accused of corruption

January 12, 2010, 13:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Barely one days after rectification by the morning paper Diario former minister and now MP Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP) again accused of corruption. Owner and editor Jossy Mansur largely repeats the same allegations that led to a lawsuit last week. Tromp said this morning on new steps to consider.

The MEP-parliamentary groups does not a lawsuit. "I have contact with my lawyer about what steps we will take. For it is not normal for one days after I corrected again accused of the same things. That is not agreed during the trial. The judge has clearly said that Diario on these issues should not come back, because they can not prove. "The court did not reach a verdict last week, because both parties agreed that the newspaper was correct. According to Diario Tromp chose eggs for his money, after the judge indicated that a verdict is not in the interest of the newspaper would be. It was agreed that the morning Monday, so yesterday, at the front would put an amendment containing the text that Diario no evidence that corrupt Tromp. That happened.

Comments
This morning, however, the newspaper published the headline: "Sin duda Nigun: Marisol corupto ta!" The editorial said Mansur again by far the Ceru property in Colorado, the bridge Madushi and the donation of 1 million florin of Curaçao offshore company as an example corruption during the minister Tromp. It will, according to Mansur not long before the former minister also announced the Netherlands is involved in research on the state Board of Aruba. The judge considered the matter last week, also gets along of Mansur. This would Papiamento insufficient and thereby controlling the documents the defense of Diario claimed, can not read or understand. The editor lets finally know that the newspaper initially wanted to leave the correction. "But as Marisol decided to make so much fuss, as if she had won the lawsuit, from tomorrow we will publish all the corruption cases which it is directly involved."

PDR
The former minister was also critical of yesterday morning PDR leader Andin Bikker. They told her not to accusations of corruption, but it believes that its policy on the issue of leasehold land in the study by the Netherlands should be included. "For there are facts and evidence that questionable things have occurred."

Tromp Bikker of the criticism is not surprising. "He was the lawyer Mansur years ago, when this aanspande a case against the government because he was not an option for the Radisson site. Mansur lost the case, including appeal. I think he just attacks on me why my policy area. Because of education or social affairs, he almost never. "

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67512.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Weather summary proceedings against Marisol Diario

January 15, 2010, 12:29 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Marisol Lopez-Tromp MEP (MEP) get back to the court after her morning paper Diario again accused of corruption. The newspaper did this just one days after correcting earlier allegations. Tromp is this week a request for interim relief by the court resign.

Says owner and chief editor Jossy Mansur to welcome a new trial. "We were in the previous case indeed sufficient evidence for corruption, but that was only in the case Seroe Colorado. The other cases when not addressed, and therefor we have enough evidence. They lay in Papiamento which the judge she could not read. Since we understand so we translate them now. "

Administrative Research
Mansur said Monday from the translated documents are newspaper sites, so the judges and the Dutch researchers to understand the pieces later. The MediaMan refers to research on the actions of the Aruban government in recent years, which the Netherlands and Aruba have commissioned late last year. "It will be worse for her," said Mansur on Tromp, who in the past two governments MEP-Minister of Education, Social Affairs and Infrastructure was.
Last week Thursday Tromp and Mansur came to a settlement for a correction after its Diairo accused of corruption. This correction was posted on Monday, but one days later, again on the front page of the newspaper that morning Tromp 'no doubt' is corrupt. Mansur explains why. "She is undoubtedly the most corrupt politician in the Aruban history and we continue writing until there is a conviction. We have enough documents, official government documents also. Corruption is not just money under the table slide, as it looks, but also the abuse of dominance and bias of your acquaintances, friends and family. She has done as Minister. She now presents itself as the Holy Virgin, the Aruban Jeanne D'Arc, but she is not consistent. "
Mansur is the charge of Tromp he was a personal feud against her started off as nonsense. The editor of Diario is also not waiting for her reply to be published. "Why in the newspaper space to someone who chronically lies."

Jossy's got her number!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
This guy stabbed his ex-father in law in the shoulder after the father tried to defend his daughter from him.  The father lost a lot of blood but was able to walk to the ambulance when it arrived.  (Adrenaline maybe?)  I think this article says he's in intensive care.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15387/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/0117201024ora_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/0117201024ora_DannyKockFugitive.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

danny kock of 27 anja busca for police keto go for attempt of asesinato y maltrato cu arm

sunday, 17 january 2010 - 11:59

the sospechoso danny kock of dakota still is fugitivo. the is being busca for police relaciona cu one caso earnest of hincamento marduga where calulo comenencia owing to become victima.

click read more for more info... danny kock is conoci for her family y was have one relacion cu ex queen of carnaval child of calulo comenencia cu now here is interna in cuido intensivo. esnan cu know of the paradero of danny kock notifica police at once at 100. past owing to sconde in cura of the comerciante at instant cu the ex owing to arrive cas y hinca his ex father-in-law cu owing to leave at defence of his child. the photograph of file of 24ora.com is for do you have one view that is danny kock. the can is dangerous. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 17, 2010, 04:00:05 PM
I have TLC, the Canadian one, I guess. There is a program at 9 PM Central Time called Lost in Paradise, the Natale Holloway Story. I think I might just try to watch it. If it makes me real mad, I can shut it off. Hi and Bye. Love to all the keepers of the faith here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 04:06:47 PM
I have TLC, the Canadian one, I guess. There is a program at 9 PM Central Time called Lost in Paradise, the Natale Holloway Story. I think I might just try to watch it. If it makes me real mad, I can shut it off. Hi and Bye. Love to all the keepers of the faith here.

I'll be watching with ya Kat_Gram!  ::MonkeyDance::

Great to see you, I hope all is good with you!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 17, 2010, 07:19:22 PM
Hi Monkeys!  I belong to Cruisecritic.com and when I search ports, specifically Aruba, they are talking about a 4.5 hitting Venezuela and that some in Aruba felt it.  Here are some links and the posts were from 1/13/10.  There was another link that shows all recent earthquakes.... I'll try to find it....

Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

two links that were used to verify the information.

http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/.../epicentro.jpg

http://www.funvisis.gob.ve/sismo.php?id=3623
 Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 17, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
This is the link to earthquakes in the past 7 days.  Sorry for the O/T.......

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/

Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2010, 07:24:39 PM
Hi Monkeys!  I belong to Cruisecritic.com and when I search ports, specifically Aruba, they are talking about a 4.5 hitting Venezuela and that some in Aruba felt it.  Here are some links and the posts were from 1/13/10.  There was another link that shows all recent earthquakes.... I'll try to find it....

Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

two links that were used to verify the information.

http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/.../epicentro.jpg

http://www.funvisis.gob.ve/sismo.php?id=3623
 Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Thank you, Sharon/TX.....I believe the earthquake felt in Aruba occurred the day after the one in Haiti.  I have a friend who said her grandchildren were in Aruba and felt it.   Good to see you. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
This is the link to earthquakes in the past 7 days.  Sorry for the O/T.......

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/

Justice for Natalee!

Thanks, again, Sharon/Tx.....it's not OT, imo. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 17, 2010, 07:35:00 PM


Thank you, Sharon/TX.....I believe the earthquake felt in Aruba occurred the day after the one in Haiti.  I have a friend who said her grandchildren were in Aruba and felt it.   Good to see you. 
[/quote]  Hi 2NJSons_Mom! Nice to meet you finally!  Thank you for the candles and reminders and all that you do!  These earthquakes are terrible.  Good to see you too!

Here is another post I found from an Aruban poster:  Re: Auba rattled by earthquake in Venezuela

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"My sister staying in Santa Cruz felt the quake. She said it was like a BIG Boom. She thought that a plane or car hit the house. When she didn't hear any sirens she went back to sleep. Talking to Carla from Jolly Pirates - she felt it too. Me staying in Eagle Beach didnt' feel it."
__________________

  I can barely watch the news in Haiti anymore.  I hope the Carribean calms down!  Take care everyone and keep the faith!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 08:35:49 PM
Thanks Sharon/Tx!   ::MonkeyCool::




 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 08:56:25 PM
I just noticed that the Natalee Holloway movie is showing on the Lifetime Movie Network tonight at 9pm and tomorrow morning at 7am also.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
I'm watching the TLC program...I don't think I've seen it before.

If no one else reports about it, I'll summarize from my recording of it after.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 10:20:34 PM
I'm watching the TLC program...I don't think I've seen it before.

If no one else reports about it, I'll summarize from my recording of it after.






I'm watching it also. They really had Julia the witch!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 10:21:38 PM

Renho....uggghhh!   ::MonkeyMad:: :smt075 :smt021 :gaah:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 10:22:33 PM


cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
My post took forever to post so we were posting about the same thing at the same time!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 10:24:15 PM
Now,i wonder who in Aruba would be interested in the Natalee Holloway movie.....

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They just don't get it.Natalee will NEVER go away until JUSTICE is served............... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 10:29:37 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 10:30:51 PM


cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Bet that  is why she had the facelift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 10:32:00 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 10:35:35 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 10:39:14 PM


cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Bet that  is why she had the facelift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Well it didn't help, I agree with Klaas...she looks like a transvestite! 

She's ugly inside and out!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 10:49:05 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

My prayers are with you,the family,and the young'n!  ::MonkeyAngel:: God willing.I'll be able to experience Louisiana in 2012,when my beloved Huskies take on tha Tigahhhs of LSU..Lookin forward to it.All the LSU fans that came up here where absolutely wonderful. Whatta Great reflection on Louisiana they were!  ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 10:53:46 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

My prayers are with you,the family,and the young'n!  ::MonkeyAngel:: God willing.I'll be able to experience Louisiana in 2012,when my beloved Huskies take on tha Tigahhhs of LSU..Lookin forward to it.All the LSU fans that came up here where absolutely wonderful. Whatta Great reflection on Louisiana they were!  ::MonkeyFootball::

I know that you will enjoy your stay here, especially the awesome food. What ya think of those NO Saints?  Ooooppsss! O/T


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 10:56:45 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

My prayers are with you,the family,and the young'n!  ::MonkeyAngel:: God willing.I'll be able to experience Louisiana in 2012,when my beloved Huskies take on tha Tigahhhs of LSU..Lookin forward to it.All the LSU fans that came up here where absolutely wonderful. Whatta Great reflection on Louisiana they were!  ::MonkeyFootball::

I know that you will enjoy your stay here, especially the awesome food. What ya think of those NO Saints?  Ooooppsss! O/T
Would luv to be in the SUPERDOME for the game against Minnesota!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 11:02:19 PM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

My prayers are with you,the family,and the young'n!  ::MonkeyAngel:: God willing.I'll be able to experience Louisiana in 2012,when my beloved Huskies take on tha Tigahhhs of LSU..Lookin forward to it.All the LSU fans that came up here where absolutely wonderful. Whatta Great reflection on Louisiana they were!  ::MonkeyFootball::

I know that you will enjoy your stay here, especially the awesome food. What ya think of those NO Saints?  Ooooppsss! O/T
Would luv to be in the SUPERDOME for the game against Minnesota!

Will be a good one! The movie was ok but that witch was on there too often. Ugh!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 11:06:01 PM
ARUBA

BETCHA DIDN'T THINK NATALEE HOLLOWAY

BE KICKEN YO AZZ FO 40 YEARZZZ

GET USED TO IT


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 17, 2010, 11:12:11 PM
Is it too early for the nightcrew???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 11:15:45 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 11:23:35 PM
ARUBA

BETCHA DIDN'T THINK NATALEE HOLLOWAY

BE KICKEN YO AZZ FO 40 YEARZZZ

GET USED TO IT


 ::MonkeyDevil::
::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
Beth said she wouldn't get justice for Natalee....but I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!   Dompig's smirk got to me besides JR's mug.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 11:24:16 PM
ARUBA

BETCHA DIDN'T THINK NATALEE HOLLOWAY

BE KICKEN YO AZZ FO 40 YEARZZZ

GET USED TO IT


 ::MonkeyDevil::
::HelloKitty::
::MonkeyHaHa::[/center]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 17, 2010, 11:28:26 PM
The Search for Natalee Holloway
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. 

I can’t get justice for Natalee"
.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2010, 11:31:09 PM
Beth said she wouldn't get justice for Natalee....but I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!   Dompig's smirk got to me besides JR's mug.

BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 11:31:22 PM
Beth said she wouldn't get justice for Natalee....but I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!   Dompig's smirk got to me besides JR's mug.
She said,"Hole of an island".... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 17, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
Beth said she wouldn't get justice for Natalee....but I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!   Dompig's smirk got to me besides JR's mug.
She said,"Hole of an island".... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I said what I meant and I meant what I said. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 17, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
Beth said she wouldn't get justice for Natalee....but I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!   Dompig's smirk got to me besides JR's mug.
She said,"Hole of an island".... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I said what I meant and I meant what I said. 
Justice will come.Maybe not in the time,shape,or form we've come to expect from a civilized society but,it will come............

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 17, 2010, 11:57:46 PM
Beth said she wouldn't get justice for Natalee....but I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!   Dompig's smirk got to me besides JR's mug.
She said,"Hole of an island".... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I said what I meant and I meant what I said. 

"I will do what I can to make that hole of an island never forget!!!"

 ::MonkeyDance:: And I'm right by your side, working as hard as I can!  I won't give up!


 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 12:00:47 AM
Dompig's smirk pissed me off too!  I hate them all!   ::MonkeyMad::

All the talk about "pressure" from the parents...."pressure" from the media...WTH did they expect?  When someone's child is taken from them as Natalee was and the answers are so obvious as to WHO IS RESPONSIBLE...HELL YES THEY WANT ANSWERS! 

We're almost to the five year mark...WHERE IS NATALEE????  GIVE HER BACK NOW!!!! 

WHERE IS JUSTICE????  WE WANT THAT TOO!!!!

We're not going away!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 18, 2010, 12:01:19 AM
The program also brought up the release of names rather than the normal use of initials and date of birth.  Whose fault is that?  It seems they blame the US media and Natalee's family.  I would think they were not equipped to deal with managing their legal system (which we could never understand).  It's all in their court....they couldn't handle it and what they did do was BS, and still is.  jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 18, 2010, 01:33:03 AM
All Aruba had to do was persue the truth, wherever that led................  They chose to cover up, dispose, misdirect and protect the guilty. That was their choice.

For Dumbpig, Renwitch, or anyone else to suggest that Natalee's Family disrupted their "investigation" is only their way of saying that Natalee's family disrupted the ease of their cover up.

Screw them all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 01:44:13 AM
All Aruba had to do was persue the truth, wherever that led................  They chose to cover up, dispose, misdirect and protect the guilty. That was their choice.

For Dumbpig, Renwitch, or anyone else to suggest that Natalee's Family disrupted their "investigation" is only their way of saying that Natalee's family disrupted the ease of their cover up.

Screw them all!


I agree CBB.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: akmom on January 18, 2010, 02:04:59 AM
Watched the show on TLC about Natalee tonight.  I do not think I've ever even commented on her thread before, but she is what brought me to SM.  I will never forget you Natalee, nor any of our other missing/murdered.  I stand with them all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 02:21:40 AM
Watched the show on TLC about Natalee tonight.  I do not think I've ever even commented on her thread before, but she is what brought me to SM.  I will never forget you Natalee, nor any of our other missing/murdered.  I stand with them all.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 03:18:01 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 18, 2010, 03:56:31 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee will never come from aruba, netherlands.... ::MonkeyMad::
We will be here as long as it takes.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 18, 2010, 05:18:28 AM
Dompig's smirk pissed me off too!  I hate them all!   ::MonkeyMad::

All the talk about "pressure" from the parents...."pressure" from the media...WTH did they expect?  When someone's child is taken from them as Natalee was and the answers are so obvious as to WHO IS RESPONSIBLE...HELL YES THEY WANT ANSWERS! 

We're almost to the five year mark...WHERE IS NATALEE????  GIVE HER BACK NOW!!!! 

WHERE IS JUSTICE????  WE WANT THAT TOO!!!!

We're not going away!   ::MonkeyCool::

                                        ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 18, 2010, 05:58:06 AM
I'm watching the TLC program...I don't think I've seen it before.

If no one else reports about it, I'll summarize from my recording of it after.






Thanks texasmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 18, 2010, 06:01:48 AM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

Good to see you Cajun!  Thoughts and prayers to your family as your grandchild undergoes tests.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 18, 2010, 08:22:23 AM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

I will remember your family in my prayers.  God bless the little one.

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 18, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Dompig's smirk pissed me off too!  I hate them all!   ::MonkeyMad::

All the talk about "pressure" from the parents...."pressure" from the media...WTH did they expect?  When someone's child is taken from them as Natalee was and the answers are so obvious as to WHO IS RESPONSIBLE...HELL YES THEY WANT ANSWERS! 

We're almost to the five year mark...WHERE IS NATALEE????  GIVE HER BACK NOW!!!! 

WHERE IS JUSTICE????  WE WANT THAT TOO!!!!

We're not going away!   ::MonkeyCool::

                                        ::MonkeyCool::




 ::MonkeyCool::

Newp.  We are NOT going away!!!

I missed the show, but if the above captured the "new" message Aruba is sending - blame the parents, blame the media....................well, my vote is we begin a letter writing campaign.

To Diaro, calling out all Aruban citizens.  Call on them to DEMAND justice, and the return of Natalee to her family.

To the new PM and the new Justice Minister - DEMANDING Justice and the return of Natalee.  We KNOW it's within their power to do both.  We KNOW it's within their knowledge to punish the Powers That Be who covered this up for the original Criminals.  We KNOW they want their island to recover, and not plummet further into an economic crisis............

If the mentality in the government and judiciary has not changed - I think it's high time the American Public makes its message heard to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 11:37:46 AM
I LUV IT,I LUV IT,I LUUUUVVVVVV IT...

NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS KICKEN YO AZZZZ ARUBA

YA PICK THE WRONG GIRL TO F*%K WITH....


::MonkeyKiss::
 

Hey KTF, You are soooo right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope all is well Cajun!Natalee Holloway isn't going anywhere.I truly would love to see the figures in the hotels budgets..The only question is.How far in the toileet are they really... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks KTF. Having some family challenges but a grandchild will finally be put into the hospital tomorrow for more neuro. testing.
Aruba can go to HELL!!!  Send Natalee home!   ::MonkeyMad::

I'm sorry I missed that last night Cajun Miracle!  I will keep your family in my prayers.  (((hugs))) tm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 11:57:53 AM
I'm watching the TLC program...I don't think I've seen it before.

If no one else reports about it, I'll summarize from my recording of it after.


Thanks texasmom!

I'm working on it!  I was having a hard time summarizing so I'm working on a transcript (and babysitting the JR's! uggghhh  ::MonkeyWaa:: I've already rescued some of the boys underwear, earplugs, etc.  where are they finding this stuff!)

Does anyone know the name of the woman second from right?  TIA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RenfroPartyPic011210.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 11:59:08 AM
I forgot to add HT Klaas for the picture I posted above!  :2redman:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
I've posted the first page of the transcript here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6961.new#new

I will post the other pages as I finish them.  I've tried to check it carefully, but please excuse any typos or errors that I may have made.

Would a kind mod please make it bold and sticky it for me please?  TIA   ::MonkeyAngel::


Done.  YW, it was my pleasure.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 18, 2010, 01:36:03 PM
Thank you TxMom!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 18, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
Hello Monkeys....

Happy Birthday, San....please picture a beautiful cake with just a few candles.
Have a great day..!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 18, 2010, 05:07:15 PM
Hello Monkeys....

Happy Birthday, San....please picture a beautiful cake with just a few candles.
Have a great day..!

Thank you my friend Mere.

How's this for a cake.

(http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3092/images/3092_MEDIUM.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 18, 2010, 05:12:32 PM
Holy Chocolate!!!!!!    :smt103


Happy Birthday San!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2010, 05:21:38 PM

For San

(http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/17.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 18, 2010, 05:23:41 PM
Thank you Jen and Muffy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 18, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
TM

Thanks for work on transcript.


San

Happy birthday.  Keep the pups out of that cake....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 18, 2010, 07:09:32 PM
The Search for Natalee Holloway
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. 

I can’t get justice for Natalee"
.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0




Hi Monks. I watched last night and was a bit shocked at the raw emotion this brought back.  When she said she can't get justice for Natalee, my heart bled.....................again.  Somehow, someway, someday....there will be justice.  I HAVE to continue to believe that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 18, 2010, 07:10:47 PM

For San

(http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/17.gif)
san, Happy Birthday!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 18, 2010, 07:25:49 PM
I didn't get to watch this show last night.  Thanks TM for the transcript.  This part JUST infuriates me to no end:

(Gerold Dompig, Deputy Police Chief)  I visited Beth, and in the beginning I was confronted with uh a lot of anger and feelings of mistrust.  I knew that we had a big problem, because this was a family that we would not be able to satisfy.

He knew he had a family they would not be able to satisfy?  Why?  Could it be he knew they could NEVER give Natalee back to Beth therefore Beth would never be satisfied?  That fat azz SOB knew from the very beginning what happened and he knew they were in BIG trouble cause Beth wasn't going way and NEITHER ARE ANY OF US.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 18, 2010, 08:38:07 PM


Happy, Happy Birthday San.

Get some rest on your special day, after you share that wonderful cake.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/coonowrin1/SleepingKoala.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 18, 2010, 08:40:22 PM
Texasmom thank you for transcribing and posting that show - for those of us who cannot get the TLC channel   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on January 18, 2010, 08:54:53 PM


                                     HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SAN!!!!!

                                            May all your Birthday Wishes come True!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 18, 2010, 09:06:53 PM
I watched it. If a person who knew nothing about any of this saw this for the first time, they would come to the following conclusions :
Beth came across as a reasoable smart woman and she was credible.
Julia came across too well also for those of us who know better. The Wild Rumors were started by her.
LE arrested the two secuirty guards as a ruse.
Jpran did it and the Kalpoes helped him out.
.......
They left out all the dirt underhanded things that were done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 18, 2010, 09:16:44 PM
texasmom - thank you for the transcripts.  my goodness, what a lot of work!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

San - Hope you are enjoying your birthday!    ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 18, 2010, 09:58:01 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to SAN!
::MonkeyDogWalk3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 18, 2010, 10:00:01 PM
Well, I thought it was the same movie again.  Seems it was an entirely new program?  That's even better!!!

I missed it but if someone sees it going to air again, please post.  I will take my Dramamine for seeing Julia and Dompig and watch it for sure.

Meanwhile, I will read TxMom's transcript for which I thank her very much.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 10:02:23 PM
I've posted the first page of the transcript here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6961.new#new

I will post the other pages as I finish them.  I've tried to check it carefully, but please excuse any typos or errors that I may have made.

Would a kind mod please make it bold and sticky it for me please?  TIA   ::MonkeyAngel::


Done.  YW, it was my pleasure.  MB

Thanks for all your help today MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 18, 2010, 10:02:58 PM
Dompig's smirk pissed me off too!  I hate them all!   ::MonkeyMad::

All the talk about "pressure" from the parents...."pressure" from the media...WTH did they expect?  When someone's child is taken from them as Natalee was and the answers are so obvious as to WHO IS RESPONSIBLE...HELL YES THEY WANT ANSWERS! 

We're almost to the five year mark...WHERE IS NATALEE????  GIVE HER BACK NOW!!!! 

WHERE IS JUSTICE????  WE WANT THAT TOO!!!!

We're not going away!   ::MonkeyCool::

                                        ::MonkeyCool::





No, no, no!  Hans Mos said it was the DEA agent.  They STILL don't have their stories straight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2010, 10:08:20 PM
I've posted the first page of the transcript here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6961.new#new

I will post the other pages as I finish them.  I've tried to check it carefully, but please excuse any typos or errors that I may have made.

Would a kind mod please make it bold and sticky it for me please?  TIA   ::MonkeyAngel::


Done.  YW, it was my pleasure.  MB

Thanks for all your help today MuffyBee!   ::MonkeyKiss::

You are very welcome, texasmom.   I appreciate the time and effort you put in for Natalee.   ::MonkeyGavel:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 18, 2010, 10:14:15 PM
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE BIRTHDAY WISHES.

I WILL SHARE MY REAL CAKE WITH ALL OF YOU.  NOTICE HOW I ONLY PUT ONE CANDLE.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/11810005.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 18, 2010, 10:18:46 PM
San...that is the very cake I was going to send...all chocolate and no candles....lol.
Hope to learn how to use Photobucket before too much longer.

TxMom....what a huge job....thank you so much for the transcript.

Good Evening, Monkeys and Guests....! 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 18, 2010, 10:20:16 PM
MMMMMM!!  NumNumNUM!! Caaaaake!  I love cake!  :smt106 ::bee:: :smt045  No worries about the candle.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 18, 2010, 10:21:37 PM
omg....is that a NY cheesecake?  Wonderful end to the day...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 18, 2010, 10:26:01 PM
omg....is that a NY cheesecake?  Wonderful end to the day...!

The diner near my home has the best cakes.  We went in there and said I will take a cheese cake.  The guy goes a whole cake  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 10:41:58 PM
Happy Birthday San!   That chocolate cake looked wonderful!

You're welcome to everyone for the transcript.  I really wish everyone could see the show. 

There were just so many things that can't be put into words.

Yes, smirky Dumpig and that screeching ten day drunk looking fake accent ho raised my blood pressure more than a few times, along with the selfish Vandersloot's who although I know it's wrong...I hope one day know the true meaning of mental torture!   ::MonkeyMad::  :2brickwall:

Beth...God bless her; she is an amazing woman and seeing the clips of her then and now just reinvigorated me like nothing has in quite a while.  She has honored Natalee with her fight for Justice for her from May 30, 2005 to this day; and she deserves to see it happen!

I was venting a little earlier, and my DH said why do you keep doing this?  I said because I want Justice for her just like I'd want Justice if it was one of mine.  He said...o.k. then.

Then he started telling me how he would have interrogated the suspects... ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: He said I wouldn't need Liam Neeson, he'd do it himself!  I love that man!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 10:44:51 PM
omg....is that a NY cheesecake?  Wonderful end to the day...!

The diner near my home has the best cakes.  We went in there and said I will take a cheese cake.  The guy goes a whole cake  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .

OMG San, that looks sooooo good!  Of course you needed a whole cake, it's your birthday!   ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 10:55:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67603.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Clear: 5000 layoffs in 2009

January 18, 2010, 12:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Trade FTA says that between four and five thousand people in 2009 have lost their jobs because of the recession. It is mainly those working in the construction and hotel sectors.

The union wants as quickly as possible with the Minister of Labor, Otmar Oduber (AVP), talking to a solution. The predictions for this year are also not so good, says union leader Rudy Geerman. Especially the construction industry suffers from the recession. If the end of February no new major construction project, he thinks that more people are sent home. The union leader expects little of employment for the large urban renewal project to refurbish the center of Oranjestad and San Nicolas. "The project has been cut in stages, so that a minimum occupancy will be done to people."

The union leader also expects no real recovery in the employment of the hotel sector. Tourists continue to come, but the revenues of hotels remain behind. Because the hotel prices are much lower because of offers. Valero What concerns, if within three months finding a solution for the future of the refinery in San Nicolas, there will be there soon about 700 people on the street, said Geerman.

Only in the retail trade union leader expects little change. "People continue to buy it. In this sector, many employees will not be dismissed. "

The resignation wave began last March and April in the construction industry, says Geerman. Some 700 to 800 people were sent home. In April and May in the hotel sector lost about 750 workers their jobs, estimates the union leader. Then came a wave of redundancies Valero, with between two and a half thousand employees on the street on them. Geerman: "But there are more people because of these redundancies lost their income. The indirect consequences are not counted. "The recent closure of The Aruban Resort and casinos are under FTA than 300 people sent home. In the last quarter of 2009 redundancies in the construction sector again. Geerman speaks about 500 redundancies.

Clear hopes a meeting next week with Minister Oduber to have employment. The union with some 3,000 members, also suffered under the recession itself. The union last year lost about 800 members.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 18, 2010, 11:07:42 PM
Hello Monkeys....

Happy Birthday, San....please picture a beautiful cake with just a few candles.
Have a great day..!

Thank you my friend Mere.

How's this for a cake.

(http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3092/images/3092_MEDIUM.jpg)

Happy Birthday, San!


I wish you lots of puppy kisses!  ^5

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


                     (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/birthday_comment_02.gif)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 11:08:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67601.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Parliament demands tougher approach traffic

January 18, 2010, 12:53 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Nearly twelve hours it took debate in the States last Friday on the government policy on road safety. It was a noisy debate by the many accusations back and forth between the major parties AVP and MEP. But the parliament have unanimously called for a stricter approach to traffic offenders and adaptation of existing traffic laws.

The discussion with Minister of Justice and Education, Arthur Dower (AVP), was requested by ASF parliamentarian Clarisca Velasquez. She is chair of the State Committee on Judicial Affairs. Velasquez said some of her experiences in the circulation department of the police. This service is still shortage of manpower, has enough cars to drive traffic checks, or blowing devices for drivers alcohol testing. Police and private agencies also been calling since 2002 for child car seats in the compulsory and traffic laws to modernize. "The previous government was aware of this all, but has hardly done anything," said Velasquez.

Dower assured parliament that the special committee which the government late last year has created, as soon as possible with a series of measures come. The largest opposition party, however, that the MEP did not get along with the work of this committee. Also wanted the party minister Richard Visser (AVP) firmly to the tooth to feel his hard drive a few weeks ago and she wanted to explain why his fellow Dower minister was not fined. MEP had already written about questions. Visser did not show up Friday, much to the displeasure of the MEP group. Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber did occur, although uninvited, for a short private chat with Dower. And the opposition party is not blistering, then leader Booshi Weaver demanded that Oduber immediately left the parliament. The situation threatened to walk out of control, which Parliament Speaker Andy Lee (AVP) decided to suspend the meeting. He then asked the minister kindly to leave the room, which eventually happened.

The debate was mainly the ruling party urged the government itself ASF to quickly measures. So the party moved several motions in seats mandatory for children, to place speed cameras, pedestrian crossings and to better illuminate the Road Traffic Ordinance to review. The government was requested a motion to require seat belts for rear passengers do. All of these points with a majority.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 18, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
texasmom - thank you for the transcripts.  my goodness, what a lot of work!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

San - Hope you are enjoying your birthday!    ::MonkeyCheer4::

You got that right.  Sis, you outdid yourself!

 ::MonkeySlide::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 11:39:54 PM
 ::MonkeyDance::

The Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise show will be on TLC again this Wednesday night!

So if you have TLC, check your local listings if you missed it and want to see it!   ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostinParadiseTLCad.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 18, 2010, 11:41:21 PM
texasmom - thank you for the transcripts.  my goodness, what a lot of work!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

San - Hope you are enjoying your birthday!    ::MonkeyCheer4::

You got that right.  Sis, you outdid yourself!

 ::MonkeySlide::


awww, thanks Sis!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 18, 2010, 11:44:37 PM
Happy B-day San!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: :smt066 ::MonkeyPeace:: :smt113



I missed the show last night -- I will catch it on Wed.!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 18, 2010, 11:45:42 PM
Happy B-day San!!  ::MonkeyConfused:: :smt066 ::MonkeyPeace:: :smt113



I missed the show last night -- I will catch it on Wed.!!
I think I clicked on the "confused monkey" by mistake!!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 18, 2010, 11:46:20 PM
::MonkeyDance::

The Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise show will be on TLC again this Wednesday night!

So if you have TLC, check your local listings if you missed it and want to see it!   ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostinParadiseTLCad.jpg)


I think it's 7pm in our neck of the woods, TM....thanks!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 18, 2010, 11:58:22 PM
I was just thinking back to the beginning.  I posted at RWV a long time because here, my computer skills were so limited, when I came to the bottom of the page, I went to the next thread rather than the next page.  So many of us have learned so much and come so far in learning how to research things on the internet, post pictures, type better, just all kinds of things that we would never have stretched outselves to learn if not for our determination to do so for Natalee.

Just throwing that out there for us to remember when we feel it's all been for so little return.  Yes, it's been a wild ride but we'd do it all over again in a heartbeat.  And we will be here to make sure that as long as justice is denied to Natalee, Aruba doesn't forget that fact.

The name Aruba is a negative thing to most people these days because of what they did.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 19, 2010, 12:01:33 AM
TxM,

Thanks for the transcript.  I think I will autoschedule it now so I won't forget.  May have to take Dramamine and BP pills to watch as this sounds from your transcript more upsetting than the movie.  Haven't missed seeing some of those people at all.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 12:01:33 AM
Is anybody else having trouble posting?  The matrix keeps trying to suck me up...but I'm tough!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Auto tune Anna!  And I would definitely recommend the Dramamine and maybe a punching bag too!   ::MonkeyDevil::

And some tissues....if you're like me.   :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 12:03:49 AM
TxM,

Thanks for the transcript.  I think I will autoschedule it now so I won't forget.  May have to take Dramamine and BP pills to watch as this sounds from your transcript more upsetting than the movie.  Haven't missed seeing some of those people at all.



It took me so long to get my post in I didn't even see this!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 19, 2010, 12:09:27 AM
TxM,

Thanks for the transcript.  I think I will autoschedule it now so I won't forget.  May have to take Dramamine and BP pills to watch as this sounds from your transcript more upsetting than the movie.  Haven't missed seeing some of those people at all.



It took me so long to get my post in I didn't even see this!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

After so many years, I think we can read each others' minds sometimes. 

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 12:10:23 AM
::MonkeyDance::

The Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise show will be on TLC again this Wednesday night!

So if you have TLC, check your local listings if you missed it and want to see it!   ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostinParadiseTLCad.jpg)


I think it's 7pm in our neck of the woods, TM....thanks!!

YW 2NJ!  And thanks for the time in your area.  It will be a good reminder for those who want to see it to be sure to check the time in their area.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 12:25:19 AM
I was just thinking back to the beginning.  I posted at RWV a long time because here, my computer skills were so limited, when I came to the bottom of the page, I went to the next thread rather than the next page.  So many of us have learned so much and come so far in learning how to research things on the internet, post pictures, type better, just all kinds of things that we would never have stretched outselves to learn if not for our determination to do so for Natalee.

Just throwing that out there for us to remember when we feel it's all been for so little return.  Yes, it's been a wild ride but we'd do it all over again in a heartbeat.  And we will be here to make sure that as long as justice is denied to Natalee, Aruba doesn't forget that fact.

The name Aruba is a negative thing to most people these days because of what they did.



So true Anna!  I'd never been active in a forum before, I think that may be why they kept me locked out for so long after the crash.  I was probably a bit irritating to experienced bloggers!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

But I've learned to do a lot of things I'd never done, and probably would have never been interested in learning to do; if not for my interest in this case. 

Like sunny said earlier, I still have hope for Justice to come; I won't give up on that.  And I still believe there's hope that Natalee can be returned to her family for a proper burial; I won't give up on that either!

And if Aruba chooses to continue the status quo...well I'll still be here reminding them!

Americans and people all over the world will never forget what they've done; they can only help themselves by taking the steps they should have taken years ago to give Natalee's family the closure they deserve!

Until then, Aruba SUCKS!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 19, 2010, 12:28:55 AM
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE BIRTHDAY WISHES.

I WILL SHARE MY REAL CAKE WITH ALL OF YOU.  NOTICE HOW I ONLY PUT ONE CANDLE.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/11810005.jpg)

Looks delicious!   ::MonkeyCool::

I see the bee got there first!   ::MonkeyShocked::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 19, 2010, 12:31:34 AM
omg....is that a NY cheesecake?  Wonderful end to the day...!

The diner near my home has the best cakes.  We went in there and said I will take a cheese cake.  The guy goes a whole cake  ::MonkeyHaHa:: .

Yup!  To feed a whole cage of monkeys!  What did he say then?

 ::MonkeyDevil::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 12:33:28 AM
TxM,

Thanks for the transcript.  I think I will autoschedule it now so I won't forget.  May have to take Dramamine and BP pills to watch as this sounds from your transcript more upsetting than the movie.  Haven't missed seeing some of those people at all.



It took me so long to get my post in I didn't even see this!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

After so many years, I think we can read each others' minds sometimes. 

 ::MonkeyWink::

That's for sure!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 19, 2010, 12:36:32 AM
::MonkeyDance::

The Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise show will be on TLC again this Wednesday night!

So if you have TLC, check your local listings if you missed it and want to see it!   ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostinParadiseTLCad.jpg)


 ::CowboySmiley::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 19, 2010, 12:42:04 AM


Hi Anna!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on January 19, 2010, 01:22:15 AM
Happy Birthday San!!
 

http://www.youtube.com/v/rur5wKoua1o&hl=en_US&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 01:24:08 AM
Too cute!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 01:31:03 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15451/8/#comments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/januari/jan18/valero/valero2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

hortamento of copper in valero

tuesday, 19 january 2010 - 00:34

monday night is enter informe cu at the main gate of valero securitynan owing to come encontra some sospechoso cu is purbando at steal copper. owing to solicita presencia of police at the sitio but at arrival of police already the ladronnan owing to descend at water end. owing to haci one buskeda rond for can look at if is encontra some pista of the sospechosonan here, but can tell if cu camaranan of valero owing to capta owing to antisocialnan is fly cura.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 01:51:42 AM
The police were called by the suspect's girlfriend to his home because of a robbery.  They found the gun, while taking the report.  I think the grace period is over for them to turn in all guns on the island, and if it is he should have to serve time just for having it in his possession (if I understood what I've read about the law correctly.)  It will be interesting to see what happens.  From the Awe Mainta report his name is Tai Foo Lee.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15446/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/CHARACHTERS/revolver38.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene today child of ex minister ramon lee cu revolver 38 special

monday, 18 january 2010 - 20:44

the son of ex minister ramon lee is deteni. esey owing to sosode after cu owing to haye cu one arm of candela enough powerful. past owing to admiti also of have the arm some month end. all cos owing to cuminsa hour cu thief will owing to enter at home in area of north where the is bibando cu his casa or girlfriend. police owing to being calling for come atende the caso. clck read more for more detayes.. during investigacion the senjora was show police more or less where the ladronnan owing to happen. during the investigacion behold police owing to come come across cu one arm powerful. here is deal of one revolver caliber 38 special. at once owing to busca right of the donjo of the arm. the senjora owing to tell cu the arm do not of dje. owing to resulta cu was deal arm of he t.f. lee that is trahando also at one agencia of car at aruba. together cu the arm owing to achieve also cierto cantidad of ball cayente. is stranjo dicon the sopechoso here not owing to entrega the arm here owing to base of the oportunidad cu ministerio publico owing to give. esey nifica cu the chens of absolution can is much diminutive. for of fuentenan policial have informacion cu the will stay encarcela. the same person here some anja happen owing to become victima hour cu child of one advocate owing to tire behind one nightclub at palm beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 19, 2010, 01:59:01 AM


Hi Anna!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::





Hi, there Bearly!

I was running through the threads.  So many missing and worse!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


But it's always good to see You! ::MonkeyDance::


And I wonder what this little guy is?

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 02:25:31 AM
I'm not sure, and I could be way off base here...but I think this may have to do with Carlos Severino Croes...I know some of you remember him and his writings.  It's late and I'm tired so I didn't type it all out, but I did some of it.  I'll look at it some more tomorrow and see if I can tell more about it.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01182010_BondiaPg21.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

judge owing to pospone caso for listen brother muher of sospechoso y agent of police advocate mr. duijneveld owing to dununcia cu police owing to place declaracion false

oranjestad – one caso of problem familiar caminda the sospechoso carlos croes will owing to maltrata amigo of his brother muher, owing to become one preoblema mucho more earnest caminda advocate of carlos croes, mr. duijneveld owing to senala cu the procesverbaal cu police owing to work of the declaracion of the brother muher of carlos croes not t cuadra cu the berdad. the advocate owing to present in corte cu one declaracion on paper of the brother mehe of carlos croes, that is tell cu the not owing to declara cu is carlos croes together cu his another brother homer johan owing to maltrata d. the. or. y niether past owing to declara cu past owing to see con carlos croes owing to destrui the car of d. the. or. can conclui cu mr. duijneveld is senala cu police will owing to work one declaracion false. relaciona cu this, had one discusion in corte on the asunto here among fiscal y mr. duijneveld. judge first cu past owing to give fiscal y abagado the oportunidad of expresa they self on the declaracion of irma cu is completamente various of thing is stop in the procesverbaal of police, owing to tell cu irma will have to is conciente what consecuencia the cambiamento of declaracion here will can have p’e. come across



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 02:28:05 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Scratch that, his name is Carlos Severino Tromp.  Of course I remembered THAT the minute I posted it!


 :2redman:

I think it's time for the monkey bunkey!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 02:30:29 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!

 ::MonkeyJustice:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 19, 2010, 08:32:53 AM


Hi Anna!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::





Hi, there Bearly!

I was running through the threads.  So many missing and worse!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


But it's always good to see You! ::MonkeyDance::


And I wonder what this little guy is?

 ::rhino::
According to Frijole, it's an Arkansas Razorback!!  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on January 19, 2010, 11:54:03 AM
aw.. my husband was a Razorback - linebacker!

CNN is reporting that an earthquake was just felt in the Cayman Islands.  The Carribean is rocking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 19, 2010, 12:30:38 PM
aw.. my husband was a Razorback - linebacker!

CNN is reporting that an earthquake was just felt in the Cayman Islands.  The Carribean is rocking.

 ::MonkeyShocked::   5.8.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 19, 2010, 12:53:13 PM


Hi Anna!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::





Hi, there Bearly!

I was running through the threads.  So many missing and worse!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


But it's always good to see You! ::MonkeyDance::


And I wonder what this little guy is?

 ::rhino::
According to Frijole, it's an Arkansas Razorback!!  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh, I thought this was the year of the bull (rhino)!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 19, 2010, 12:56:30 PM
aw.. my husband was a Razorback - linebacker!

CNN is reporting that an earthquake was just felt in the Cayman Islands.  The Carribean is rocking.

 ::MonkeyShocked::   5.8.....

These quakes are something.  I feel badly for those affected.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

If I was in Aruba, I would be thinking, "Surrender Dorothy."   ::MonkeyShocked::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Frijole on January 19, 2010, 01:57:07 PM
 ::rhino::  Hi Anna!

Wreck is making fun of me... and I deserve it.  On the football thread we were discussing this little guy... Cuz had asked Klaas for a Razor Back during the bowl games because all we had was a wee litle piggy... soooo when I saw this blue creature I thought Klaas had responded.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck told me it wasn't a pig but a rhino... I didn't see the horn.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Is there a story about why it is there?  Curious. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 19, 2010, 02:30:56 PM
::rhino::  Hi Anna!

Wreck is making fun of me... and I deserve it.  On the football thread we were discussing this little guy... Cuz had asked Klaas for a Razor Back during the bowl games because all we had was a wee litle piggy... soooo when I saw this blue creature I thought Klaas had responded.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck told me it wasn't a pig but a rhino... I didn't see the horn.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Is there a story about why it is there?  Curious. 


There is. One of our members O4Bull has a rino as her avatar. Long story, but in the baby Gabriel Johnson disappearence she found a really great tip that was turned over to LE. LE took the tip very seriously. Klass gave her the blue rino award.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 02:31:49 PM
::rhino::  Hi Anna!

Wreck is making fun of me... and I deserve it.  On the football thread we were discussing this little guy... Cuz had asked Klaas for a Razor Back during the bowl games because all we had was a wee litle piggy... soooo when I saw this blue creature I thought Klaas had responded.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck told me it wasn't a pig but a rhino... I didn't see the horn.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Is there a story about why it is there?  Curious. 

I'm kind of behind over there but I think it was for 04Bull over in baby Gabriel's thread.  They found a lead that everyone was excited about, and I think someone mentioned that we needed an icon to honor it!  I hope I'm remembering correctly!

04Bull's avi   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=3300;type=avatar)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 19, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
Lmao @ the avi

This week....
(http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/party/fest30.gif) SAN

(http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/party/fest30.gif) 2NJ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 05:28:44 PM
::rhino::  Hi Anna!

Wreck is making fun of me... and I deserve it.  On the football thread we were discussing this little guy... Cuz had asked Klaas for a Razor Back during the bowl games because all we had was a wee litle piggy... soooo when I saw this blue creature I thought Klaas had responded.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck told me it wasn't a pig but a rhino... I didn't see the horn.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Is there a story about why it is there?  Curious. 


There is. One of our members O4Bull has a rino as her avatar. Long story, but in the baby Gabriel Johnson disappearence she found a really great tip that was turned over to LE. LE took the tip very seriously. Klass gave her the blue rino award.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Second time this week SuzieQ, we were both posting about the same thing at the same time...!    ::CowboySmiley::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 05:30:05 PM
Lmao @ the avi

This week....
(http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/party/fest30.gif) SAN

(http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/party/fest30.gif) 2NJ

Do we get more cheesecake?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 05:31:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67663.php

Google translation:

Petrobras still interested in refinery

January 19, 2010, 12:20 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Brazilian state oil company Petrobras has again shown interest in the Valero refinery in Aruba to take over. "The interest has come from both sides", said Prime Minister Mike Eman (AVP). "We have through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands again sent the message that we remain interested and that the refinery is still available."

Petrobras in 2008 and 2009 twice expressed interest in taking over the refinery. Both times, however, bounced off the acquisition. First by a fire in one of the vacuum units of the refinery and then by the decision of the Brazilian oil company to temporarily invest in their own country.

Subsequent purchaser
Amigoe reported last week that the Venezuelan oil company PDVSA has shown a serious interest in the refinery. Current owner Valero seems to turn not completely bored with the idea of a possible restart. "They come back to Aruba this week, so we at least for the period in which there is no restart, make arrangements with each other," said Eman. The prime minister points out, however, that these contacts may have motives other than a restart. "That you never know. If they negotiate a set of conditions, might as well be that they want just by selling package together with the refinery. So you never know when they next one buyer to the negotiating. "

Wait -
Premier Eman with Petro China claims that "many ups and downs are. "We thought we had a breakthrough and that would be signed, and then it got quiet again. It seems to take decisions for companies such as Petro China Beijing to be taken anyway. This is a rather complex decision making and facilitate the process not really. "The prime minister acknowledges that Petro China, but also PDVSA until recently, was probably waiting because they wanted to wait until the price for the refinery was also dropped. "Everyone knows that the oil market at present is not good. If you buy now, it means that you sit on a refinery that can be restarted only when it is financially feasible. The company now buys the refinery, will bear the same costs that Valero has now. That includes 600 to 700 employees might not be able to start immediately. "Eman For it is important that there is certainty about the future of the refinery and its employees.

Other future refinery
The prime minister points out that the Aruban government Valero four times so far had not been given its own employees to dismiss. During the upcoming three-day visit to Valero Aruba, that from tomorrow, Eman wants representatives of the oil company once again to urge the workers on the payroll account. Against Valero has said that the dismissal of the government employees would otherwise look for continuity of the refinery. "There are many people who think that Aruba should be looking to another development. But most people find that, while there is a chance that we all have jobs to do to save those 600 people. Within that context is everything done to the refinery a future, "says Eman.

MP Andin Bikker (PDR) is a debate in parliament with the government including the future of the refinery. He is deeply concerned about employment, now redundant in many other sectors.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
The police were called by the suspect's girlfriend to his home because of a robbery.  They found the gun, while taking the report.  I think the grace period is over for them to turn in all guns on the island, and if it is he should have to serve time just for having it in his possession (if I understood what I've read about the law correctly.)  It will be interesting to see what happens.  From the Awe Mainta report his name is Tai Foo Lee.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15446/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2010/CHARACHTERS/revolver38.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to detene today child of ex minister ramon lee cu revolver 38 special

monday, 18 january 2010 - 20:44

the son of ex minister ramon lee is deteni. esey owing to sosode after cu owing to haye cu one arm of candela enough powerful. past owing to admiti also of have the arm some month end. all cos owing to cuminsa hour cu thief will owing to enter at home in area of north where the is bibando cu his casa or girlfriend. police owing to being calling for come atende the caso. clck read more for more detayes.. during investigacion the senjora was show police more or less where the ladronnan owing to happen. during the investigacion behold police owing to come come across cu one arm powerful. here is deal of one revolver caliber 38 special. at once owing to busca right of the donjo of the arm. the senjora owing to tell cu the arm do not of dje. owing to resulta cu was deal arm of he t.f. lee that is trahando also at one agencia of car at aruba. together cu the arm owing to achieve also cierto cantidad of ball cayente. is stranjo dicon the sopechoso here not owing to entrega the arm here owing to base of the oportunidad cu ministerio publico owing to give. esey nifica cu the chens of absolution can is much diminutive. for of fuentenan policial have informacion cu the will stay encarcela. the same person here some anja happen owing to become victima hour cu child of one advocate owing to tire behind one nightclub at palm beach.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67657.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Son of former minister arrested

January 19, 2010, 12:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The son of former Minister of Labor, Culture and Sports Ramon Lee (MEP) was arrested last night. He is suspected of illegal possession of firearms.

The police yesterday went to the house of the suspect, after she had received a report of a burglary. During the investigation, police found a firearm, allegedly a .38 caliber revolver. Ammunition was also found. The occupant was not in possession of a permit for possession and was arrested.

The suspect is an unconditional prison sentence of one years over the head. The Public Prosecutor (OM) late last year held a fundraising event, where citizens without risk of prosecution could surrender illegal firearms. The action lasted from September 2 to December 5, 2009 and delivered a nine firearms. The action was "a line drawn". The prosecution announced that after this period would be more stringent action against illegal firearms. Violators may, if the OM is not just rely on one big prison, but will also remain in custody until their case comes to court. This can sometimes take up to three months.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 19, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
Hi jen and boxerdawg!  I hope you're having a good day!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Frijole on January 19, 2010, 08:01:03 PM
::rhino::  Hi Anna!

Wreck is making fun of me... and I deserve it.  On the football thread we were discussing this little guy... Cuz had asked Klaas for a Razor Back during the bowl games because all we had was a wee litle piggy... soooo when I saw this blue creature I thought Klaas had responded.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck told me it wasn't a pig but a rhino... I didn't see the horn.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Is there a story about why it is there?  Curious. 

I'm kind of behind over there but I think it was for 04Bull over in baby Gabriel's thread.  They found a lead that everyone was excited about, and I think someone mentioned that we needed an icon to honor it!  I hope I'm remembering correctly!

04Bull's avi   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=3300;type=avatar)

  Thanks all for explaining!!!  Great avatar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 19, 2010, 09:04:54 PM
I am sorry for the grief I caused Frijole about the "blue Razorback" !!!!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 19, 2010, 09:08:38 PM
I am sorry for the grief I caused Frijole about the "blue Razorback" !!!!!!  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::CowboySmiley::
It wasn't even so much that it wasn't a "Razorback" but a Rhino ........... I just don't thnk "Cuz" appreciated you would give his Arkansas Razorbacks the "blue" color instead of "red"!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 19, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
On now, the Dana Pretzer show:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pretzer011910.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on January 19, 2010, 10:02:34 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAN. I know you are offline, but hope you see this !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 19, 2010, 10:29:31 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAN. I know you are offline, but hope you see this !

Thank you Kat_Gram.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: nonesuche on January 20, 2010, 01:30:07 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAN. I know you are offline, but hope you see this !

Thank you Kat_Gram.

San your avatar looks like Carmen Miranda !  ::MonkeyWink::

Happy Happy Belated Birthday San !!!!!!! ::MonkeyKiss2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 01:47:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 20, 2010, 06:35:21 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAN. I know you are offline, but hope you see this !

Thank you Kat_Gram.

San your avatar looks like Carmen Miranda !  ::MonkeyWink::

Happy Happy Belated Birthday San !!!!!!! ::MonkeyKiss2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I knew that avatar reminded me of someone.

Thanks Nonesuche.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 20, 2010, 08:07:01 AM
Hi jen and boxerdawg!  I hope you're having a good day!   ::MonkeyDance::

Sorry I missed you yesterday!  I'm eager to watch that show on TLC tonight!

Thank you SO MUCH for your transcription of it!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on January 20, 2010, 11:52:52 AM
I must say I was a little disappointed at the end of the TLC show when Beth said

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family so I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t;

I can’t get Justice for Natalee."




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 20, 2010, 12:37:07 PM
I must say I was a little disappointed at the end of the TLC show when Beth said

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family so I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t;

I can’t get Justice for Natalee."




That stood out for most of us, Patriot.  I can't say I'm disappointed.  I just took it as a realistic statement after nearly 5 years fighting the good fight and one disappointment/heartbreak after the other....jmo, at this time.

While watching, I kept focused on how all of the segments were pieced together during that hour, and wondered what was cut out that wasn't viewable.  Does anyone know if those interviews by JR, Dompig, Schipper, Beth, etc. were done specifically for this program?   Maybe it doesn't matter, but it was on my mind the whole time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on January 20, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
I must say I was a little disappointed at the end of the TLC show when Beth said

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family so I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t;

I can’t get Justice for Natalee."




That stood out for most of us, Patriot.  I can't say I'm disappointed.  I just took it as a realistic statement after nearly 5 years fighting the good fight and one disappointment/heartbreak after the other....jmo, at this time.

While watching, I kept focused on how all of the segments were pieced together during that hour, and wondered what was cut out that wasn't viewable.  Does anyone know if those interviews by JR, Dompig, Schipper, Beth, etc. were done specifically for this program?   Maybe it doesn't matter, but it was on my mind the whole time.

To me it sounded like this is the end of the road for Justice and it's time to move on...

As unpleasant as that may sound that is how it came across... jmo

I'm certainly not ready to move on...





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 20, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
What if.....Beth and John Q Kelley went to the Aruban authorities and said..

Look, we have seen the ROV footage of the cage and the evidence that the Aruban police gathered
in the plastic bags and took away on the Duarry boat.  We have read the words of some of the
crew that were on the Persistence that human remains were found.  And we have heard the
words of Joran Van der Sloot that he had someone dispose of Natalee in the sea.

We think that may have been Natalee's remains in that trap and we would like to have those
remains.....no matter whose remains they were....and bring them to America to bury.

We now realize that you will never prosecute Joran no matter how many times he confesses,
but we would like to have what we think may be Natalee to bring home.????

Reckon that would help?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 20, 2010, 02:08:30 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAN. I know you are offline, but hope you see this !

Thank you Kat_Gram.

San your avatar looks like Carmen Miranda !  ::MonkeyWink::

Happy Happy Belated Birthday San !!!!!!! ::MonkeyKiss2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I knew that avatar reminded me of someone.

Thanks Nonesuche.


"And they don't dance like Carmen no more."

Happy late Birthday San.  I hoep that you got lots of puppy kisses! :smt113


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 02:49:53 PM
I must say I was a little disappointed at the end of the TLC show when Beth said

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family so I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t;

I can’t get Justice for Natalee."




That stood out for most of us, Patriot.  I can't say I'm disappointed.  I just took it as a realistic statement after nearly 5 years fighting the good fight and one disappointment/heartbreak after the other....jmo, at this time.

While watching, I kept focused on how all of the segments were pieced together during that hour, and wondered what was cut out that wasn't viewable.  Does anyone know if those interviews by JR, Dompig, Schipper, Beth, etc. were done specifically for this program?   Maybe it doesn't matter, but it was on my mind the whole time.

To me it sounded like this is the end of the road for Justice and it's time to move on...

As unpleasant as that may sound that is how it came across... jmo

I'm certainly not ready to move on...


Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Beth has given up on Justice being served.  But she can't "make" Aruba or the Netherlands do the right thing in Natalee's case.  So she's chosen to focus on what she can make happen; and that is to make others are aware of what happened to Natalee in Aruba, make them aware that those responsible in Aruba were never punished, make them aware of the corruption they witnessed first hand; and make others aware that they need to take precautions to make sure they're safe at home and abroad.

Aruba and/or the Netherlands CAN make Justice in this case happen.  And with Beth's continued efforts including her speaking engagements, the Natalee Holloway movie, and shows such as the TLC Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise that will be on again tonight;  more and more people will be reminded of the injustice this American family suffered in Aruba.  The result will be a continually growing black cloud over the island of Aruba (THAT WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT TOURISM) that will remain until the authorities in Aruba and/or the Netherlands do what needs to be done.  Prosecute those responsible, punish those that interfered with the investigation; and return Natalee's remains to her family.

JMO 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 20, 2010, 03:43:59 PM
I must say I was a little disappointed at the end of the TLC show when Beth said

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family so I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t;

I can’t get Justice for Natalee."




That stood out for most of us, Patriot.  I can't say I'm disappointed.  I just took it as a realistic statement after nearly 5 years fighting the good fight and one disappointment/heartbreak after the other....jmo, at this time.

While watching, I kept focused on how all of the segments were pieced together during that hour, and wondered what was cut out that wasn't viewable.  Does anyone know if those interviews by JR, Dompig, Schipper, Beth, etc. were done specifically for this program?   Maybe it doesn't matter, but it was on my mind the whole time.

To me it sounded like this is the end of the road for Justice and it's time to move on...

As unpleasant as that may sound that is how it came across... jmo

I'm certainly not ready to move on...


Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Beth has given up on Justice being served.  But she can't "make" Aruba or the Netherlands do the right thing in Natalee's case.  So she's chosen to focus on what she can make happen; and that is to make others are aware of what happened to Natalee in Aruba, make them aware that those responsible in Aruba were never punished, make them aware of the corruption they witnessed first hand; and make others aware that they need to take precautions to make sure they're safe at home and abroad.

Aruba and/or the Netherlands CAN make Justice in this case happen.  And with Beth's continued efforts including her speaking engagements, the Natalee Holloway movie, and shows such as the TLC Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise that will be on again tonight;  more and more people will be reminded of the injustice this American family suffered in Aruba.  The result will be a continually growing black cloud over the island of Aruba (THAT WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT TOURISM) that will remain until the authorities in Aruba and/or the Netherlands do what needs to be done.  Prosecute those responsible, punish those that interfered with the investigation; and return Natalee's remains to her family.

JMO 




Well said, TM!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 05:44:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67721.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

With Joran aan Zee

January 20, 2010, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LONDON - The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005, as inspiration for a play. With Joran at Sea is the latest story of the story between the main suspect Joran van der Sloot and Natalee.

The play has only three players, Natalee, Joran and mother Beth. These three characters tell looking back on the disappearance of their story. The way the events they describe is fictional, but writer Rob de Graaf is the story remained close to the probable events. The play will be performed in company New West Bellevue Theater in Amsterdam. Previously, the disappearance case has already inspired one film, a musical and a documentary. Each time, one side of the coin. Thus the musical focused mainly on the huge media hype surrounding the case and the film was based on a book of mother Beth. The documentary filmmaker Renee Gielen focused on the U.S. (FBI) side of the case and the role of family Holloway. Tv-special Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise is broadcast tonight at eight hours on The Learning Channel (TLC).


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Texasmom article edit:

The documentary filmmaker Renee Gielen focused on the U.S. (FBI) side of the case and the role of family Holloway bullshit disinformation theories that nobody with any sense believes!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
I must say I was a little disappointed at the end of the TLC show when Beth said

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family so I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t;

I can’t get Justice for Natalee."




That stood out for most of us, Patriot.  I can't say I'm disappointed.  I just took it as a realistic statement after nearly 5 years fighting the good fight and one disappointment/heartbreak after the other....jmo, at this time.

While watching, I kept focused on how all of the segments were pieced together during that hour, and wondered what was cut out that wasn't viewable.  Does anyone know if those interviews by JR, Dompig, Schipper, Beth, etc. were done specifically for this program?   Maybe it doesn't matter, but it was on my mind the whole time.

To me it sounded like this is the end of the road for Justice and it's time to move on...

As unpleasant as that may sound that is how it came across... jmo

I'm certainly not ready to move on...


Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Beth has given up on Justice being served.  But she can't "make" Aruba or the Netherlands do the right thing in Natalee's case.  So she's chosen to focus on what she can make happen; and that is to make others are aware of what happened to Natalee in Aruba, make them aware that those responsible in Aruba were never punished, make them aware of the corruption they witnessed first hand; and make others aware that they need to take precautions to make sure they're safe at home and abroad.

Aruba and/or the Netherlands CAN make Justice in this case happen.  And with Beth's continued efforts including her speaking engagements, the Natalee Holloway movie, and shows such as the TLC Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise that will be on again tonight;  more and more people will be reminded of the injustice this American family suffered in Aruba.  The result will be a continually growing black cloud over the island of Aruba (THAT WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT TOURISM) that will remain until the authorities in Aruba and/or the Netherlands do what needs to be done.  Prosecute those responsible, punish those that interfered with the investigation; and return Natalee's remains to her family.

JMO 




Well said, TM!  ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Magnolia!  I'm sorry I was in a hurry with that response and didn't take the time to correct a couple goofs I made in it.

I'm glad you're back, I've missed you!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
Hi jen and boxerdawg!  I hope you're having a good day!   ::MonkeyDance::

Sorry I missed you yesterday!  I'm eager to watch that show on TLC tonight!

Thank you SO MUCH for your transcription of it!  ::MonkeyKiss::

You're welcome jen!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 05:55:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67721.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

With Joran aan Zee

January 20, 2010, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LONDON - The disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005, as inspiration for a play. With Joran at Sea is the latest story of the story between the main suspect Joran van der Sloot and Natalee.

The play has only three players, Natalee, Joran and mother Beth. These three characters tell looking back on the disappearance of their story. The way the events they describe is fictional, but writer Rob de Graaf is the story remained close to the probable events. The play will be performed in company New West Bellevue Theater in Amsterdam. Previously, the disappearance case has already inspired one film, a musical and a documentary. Each time, one side of the coin. Thus the musical focused mainly on the huge media hype surrounding the case and the film was based on a book of mother Beth. The documentary filmmaker Renee Gielen focused on the U.S. (FBI) side of the case and the role of family Holloway. Tv-special Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise is broadcast tonight at eight hours on The Learning Channel (TLC).


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Texasmom article edit:

The documentary filmmaker Renee Gielen focused on the U.S. (FBI) side of the case and the role of family Holloway bullshit disinformation theories that nobody with any sense believes!



That just makes me furious!   ::MonkeyMad::  How dare they even say that!   :gaah:

The disinformation continues I guess!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 05:59:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67724.php

Google translation:

Hospital acknowledges mistakes

January 20, 2010, 14:21 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The death of two patients on December 30 and January 2 is the result of errors by staff of the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH) are made. This allows the hospital to determine its own report to the Health Inspectorate. Medical Director Arnoud Boesten has announced during a press conference yesterday.

In both cases, disciplinary action taken, says Boesten. He wanted at the press conference not dwell on specific details. He did confirm that it is a case in the first aid department and a death in the Obstetrics Department. Bob Harms, spokesman for HOH, lets front Amigoe know that it involves the death of a 46-year-old man with chest pain to the emergency room came with a painkiller and was sent home. Then the man had a heart attack. The employee responsible for this set, is dismissed. The second case concerns a baby during the birth of the deceased by hospital errors. HOH has developed an employee given an official warning.

Measures
Boesten According to the hospital three things to avoid repetition of such cases to avoid. "We can take disciplinary action. We have now done. We can talk with workers to hear what happened and to prevent it happen again. We may also notify Public Health Inspectorate at what we have observed. Both deaths were reported to the Inspectorate and they determine whether further action should be taken. "The medical director after the incident no changes in existing protocols and agreements placed. However, the staff reminded to adhere to it. Similarly with the emergency room are no changes in the methodology applied. The audit also suspended, according to Boesten nothing. "It is precisely during an inspection of the work that the errors are detected." The hospital has not received any claims of the two families of deceased patients.

First Aid
Last year became a hospital and especially the emergency department already in disrepute.
Nashma Briceño died in February 2009, according to the family due to negligence of staff of the emergency. These include declarations made by the doctor. It is not known whether the prosecution of criminal proceeds. Boesten least nobody said the hospital was summoned.
He further says that the so-called triage system, as the First Aid department of the hospital is used well. In the triage system is examined how urgent the medical treatment of the patient who enters. "The triage is not the problem. Last year we noted that some things had to improve. But the improvements will not say 100 percent that all patients are properly monitored. "According Boesten there is no hospital in the world where the urgency of incoming patients are properly assessed. Last year it imported HOH triage system in a fully automated, according to Boesten and this system works much better than the old manual system.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 06:02:26 PM
::MonkeyDance::

The Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise show will be on TLC again this Wednesday night!

So if you have TLC, check your local listings if you missed it and want to see it!   ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostinParadiseTLCad.jpg)


REMINDER:  TONIGHT ON TLC!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67719.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Container on board

January 20, 2010, 14:13 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/20container-in-zee-kl.gif)

ORANGE CITY - During the unloading of the Jamaican Paranga is a container of cargo overboard and into the container port in Oranjestad ended. The freighter was en route to Curacao to Cartagena, Colombia, did the Aruban port for some containers to load and unload. When an unloading of the containers, it remained at a container located under hooks. The lower container got loose, hit came on board and in the water. The container was tightly closed and not sink, but remained on the surface. The wind was then grip on the object which thus floated out to sea. Such a rudderless object, in a middle route, provides a danger to other water traffic. The port authorities have therefore immediately deployed to the two piloting ships monster back to the mainland.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 20, 2010, 06:18:09 PM
Some things in Aruba never change.  Sunday 1/17/10 Moomba.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/SteveCroesMoomba011710.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 20, 2010, 06:21:41 PM
Lmao @ the avi

This week....
(http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/party/fest30.gif) SAN

(http://www.getsmileyface.com/sm/party/fest30.gif) 2NJ

Do we get more cheesecake?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance::



Ooooohhhhhhhh  Pass the cheesecake, please   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Happy Birthday 2NJ and thank you for all you do here in the Natalee thread, which is much appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 20, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67724.php

Google translation:

Hospital acknowledges mistakes

January 20, 2010, 14:21 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The death of two patients on December 30 and January 2 is the result of errors by staff of the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH) are made. This allows the hospital to determine its own report to the Health Inspectorate. Medical Director Arnoud Boesten has announced during a press conference yesterday.

In both cases, disciplinary action taken, says Boesten. He wanted at the press conference not dwell on specific details. He did confirm that it is a case in the first aid department and a death in the Obstetrics Department. Bob Harms, spokesman for HOH, lets front Amigoe know that it involves the death of a 46-year-old man with chest pain to the emergency room came with a painkiller and was sent home. Then the man had a heart attack. The employee responsible for this set, is dismissed. The second case concerns a baby during the birth of the deceased by hospital errors. HOH has developed an employee given an official warning.

Measures
Boesten According to the hospital three things to avoid repetition of such cases to avoid. "We can take disciplinary action. We have now done. We can talk with workers to hear what happened and to prevent it happen again. We may also notify Public Health Inspectorate at what we have observed. Both deaths were reported to the Inspectorate and they determine whether further action should be taken. "The medical director after the incident no changes in existing protocols and agreements placed. However, the staff reminded to adhere to it. Similarly with the emergency room are no changes in the methodology applied. The audit also suspended, according to Boesten nothing. "It is precisely during an inspection of the work that the errors are detected." The hospital has not received any claims of the two families of deceased patients.

First Aid
Last year became a hospital and especially the emergency department already in disrepute.
Nashma Briceño died in February 2009, according to the family due to negligence of staff of the emergency. These include declarations made by the doctor. It is not known whether the prosecution of criminal proceeds. Boesten least nobody said the hospital was summoned.
He further says that the so-called triage system, as the First Aid department of the hospital is used well. In the triage system is examined how urgent the medical treatment of the patient who enters. "The triage is not the problem. Last year we noted that some things had to improve. But the improvements will not say 100 percent that all patients are properly monitored. "According Boesten there is no hospital in the world where the urgency of incoming patients are properly assessed. Last year it imported HOH triage system in a fully automated, according to Boesten and this system works much better than the old manual system.


So the way all this reads to me - if their maniac driving methods do not kill you, the hospital will?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 20, 2010, 06:24:53 PM
Some things in Aruba never change.  Sunday 1/17/10 Moomba.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/SteveCroesMoomba011710.jpg)


Does his shirt say "The Dark Side" ?

He got that right

Adding that their looks do not improve with age on that rock


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 06:26:43 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67724.php

Google translation:

Hospital acknowledges mistakes

January 20, 2010, 14:21 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

ORANGE CITY - The death of two patients on December 30 and January 2 is the result of errors by staff of the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH) are made. This allows the hospital to determine its own report to the Health Inspectorate. Medical Director Arnoud Boesten has announced during a press conference yesterday.

In both cases, disciplinary action taken, says Boesten. He wanted at the press conference not dwell on specific details. He did confirm that it is a case in the first aid department and a death in the Obstetrics Department. Bob Harms, spokesman for HOH, lets front Amigoe know that it involves the death of a 46-year-old man with chest pain to the emergency room came with a painkiller and was sent home. Then the man had a heart attack. The employee responsible for this set, is dismissed. The second case concerns a baby during the birth of the deceased by hospital errors. HOH has developed an employee given an official warning.

Measures
Boesten According to the hospital three things to avoid repetition of such cases to avoid. "We can take disciplinary action. We have now done. We can talk with workers to hear what happened and to prevent it happen again. We may also notify Public Health Inspectorate at what we have observed. Both deaths were reported to the Inspectorate and they determine whether further action should be taken. "The medical director after the incident no changes in existing protocols and agreements placed. However, the staff reminded to adhere to it. Similarly with the emergency room are no changes in the methodology applied. The audit also suspended, according to Boesten nothing. "It is precisely during an inspection of the work that the errors are detected." The hospital has not received any claims of the two families of deceased patients.

First Aid
Last year became a hospital and especially the emergency department already in disrepute.
Nashma Briceño died in February 2009, according to the family due to negligence of staff of the emergency. These include declarations made by the doctor. It is not known whether the prosecution of criminal proceeds. Boesten least nobody said the hospital was summoned.
He further says that the so-called triage system, as the First Aid department of the hospital is used well. In the triage system is examined how urgent the medical treatment of the patient who enters. "The triage is not the problem. Last year we noted that some things had to improve. But the improvements will not say 100 percent that all patients are properly monitored. "According Boesten there is no hospital in the world where the urgency of incoming patients are properly assessed. Last year it imported HOH triage system in a fully automated, according to Boesten and this system works much better than the old manual system.


So the way all this reads to me - if their maniac driving methods do not kill you, the hospital will?

Yep.  But the official cause of death will be heart attack, or suicide.  Bank on it.

Like Sharon says....Avoid Aruba as if your life depends on it, it does!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 06:28:55 PM
Some things in Aruba never change.  Sunday 1/17/10 Moomba.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/SteveCroesMoomba011710.jpg)


Does his shirt say "The Dark Side" ?

He got that right


Adding that their looks do not improve with age on that rock

I was wondering the same.  He's still as disgusting as ever.  And looks like he's on something to me.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
texasmom, Icehawk and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.


I can just about set my watch to it after certain posts.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on January 20, 2010, 07:01:22 PM
That movie is on TLC now.  Am watching it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 07:52:17 PM


Happy Birthday 2NJ!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 20, 2010, 07:57:09 PM
Some things in Aruba never change.  Sunday 1/17/10 Moomba.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/SteveCroesMoomba011710.jpg)

OK I'm going to say it.  This guy makes me sick.  I wait for the day that his body washes up to shore.

And when that happens you will see me doing this  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 20, 2010, 08:01:33 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SAN. I know you are offline, but hope you see this !

Thank you Kat_Gram.

San your avatar looks like Carmen Miranda !  ::MonkeyWink::

Happy Happy Belated Birthday San !!!!!!! ::MonkeyKiss2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I knew that avatar reminded me of someone.

Thanks Nonesuche.


"And they don't dance like Carmen no more."

Happy late Birthday San.  I hoep that you got lots of puppy kisses! :smt113

Thank you Magnolia.  Pups had cake too.  They liked it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 20, 2010, 08:03:32 PM
Whew....Beth is a strong lady...!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 08:07:07 PM
Some things in Aruba never change.  Sunday 1/17/10 Moomba.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/SteveCroesMoomba011710.jpg)

OK I'm going to say it.  This guy makes me sick.  I wait for the day that his body washes up to shore.

And when that happens you will see me doing this  ::MonkeyDance::

I couldn't agree with you more.   ::CowboySmiley:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 20, 2010, 08:07:55 PM
Happy Birthday 2NJ......can't do a cake yet but if I could, it would be one like this...

http://www.gambinos.com/shop/default.php?cPath=22

Hope you had a great day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 08:10:14 PM
Whew....Beth is a strong lady...!

Yes she is Mere.     ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 20, 2010, 08:25:42 PM
 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

I had to sign in to say

Happy Belated Birthday to San  ::MonkeyCheer4:: That NY Cheese cake looked awesome. I miss diners.


And a big Happy Birthday to 2NJ  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: Hope you're not ironing or cleaning the toilet  ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15504/12/#comments

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Papiamentu translation:

tlc will transmiti pelicula of natalee holloway 8'or of today evening

wednesday, 20 january 2010 - 11:26

today evening for 8'or, the learning channel, esta tlc, will happen the pelicula natalee holloway; paradise lost. according we informenan, this is one view various of thing the pelicula self have of tell. so then, sintoniza tlc 8'or of night.

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written by blackghost, january 20, 2010

the bad propaganda here, will stay persigi aruba for always then thanks at joran (nederlander). joran, can core, sconde, ganja cuanto cu do you wanted but do you day will jega caminda cu do you have to give cuenta at god.

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Spanish translation:

tlc will broadcast film of Natalee Holloway 8'or of today

wednesday evening, 20 January 2010 - 11:26

today evening for 8'or, The Learning Channel, this FTA will happen the Natalee Holloway movie, paradise lost. according we report it, this is one view various of thing the movie self have of tell. so then, tune tlc 8'or of night.

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written by blackghost, january 20, 2010

the bad propaganda here, will stay persigi aruba thanks for always then at joran (Nederland). joran, can core, sconde, ganja cu do as you wanted but do you hanging around cu jega day will do you have to give account at god.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 20, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

I had to sign in to say

Happy Belated Birthday to San  ::MonkeyCheer4:: That NY Cheese cake looked awesome. I miss diners.


And a big Happy Birthday to 2NJ  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: Hope you're not ironing or cleaning the toilet  ::MonkeyTongue::


Thank you Sharon.

2NJ's Birthday is on the 23rd.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 20, 2010, 08:46:38 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

I had to sign in to say

Happy Belated Birthday to San  ::MonkeyCheer4:: That NY Cheese cake looked awesome. I miss diners.


And a big Happy Birthday to 2NJ  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss:: Hope you're not ironing or cleaning the toilet  ::MonkeyTongue::


Thank you Sharon.

2NJ's Birthday is on the 23rd.

Thank you, everyone.  It's Saturday, but I appreciate your well wishes.  Sharon is right it's a 'big Happy Birthday'....not sure I'll be serving up the cheesecake....I might have to have San pick it up at the diner and have it ready.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 20, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
Sign blackghost up....seems to make sense to me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2482&offId=0&offDate=2010-1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01202010_AWE24_AmericansRobbed.jpg)

10 hora pasa / fecha 20/1/2010 / horario: 10:41

at palm regal ladronnan owing to break enter in cas of tourist americano y owing to bay cu more of 25 thousand dollar cash, alrededor of 50 thousand dollar at joyas (jewelry) more credit cards y pasaporte

diaranzon morning owing to enter informe cu ladronnan owing to enter in 1 cas in palm regal where turistanan is come happen they vakantie, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to constata cu ladronnan owing to forza one window y enter for steal, the tourist americano cual is one comerciante big at merca y his casa owing to relata at police cu ladronnan owing to break they window y for know hand for more of 25 thousand dollar at coin cash, more of 50 thousand dollar at joyas, credit cards y also they pasaporte. the pareha owing to relata cu at have 9 years is visit aruba y cu they likes aruba very much self pesey at is go back regularly y is stay for one month. but the trip here neither 3 day at have y they owing to being steal y is without documento. the comerciante here is chairman of compania of crane owing to ona of chicago, ela declara cu they owing to avise cu the lugar ey is safe, but so self they owing to break enter in his cas cu ela huur for full one month. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
Sign blackghost up....seems to make sense to me. 

I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 09:06:41 PM


 ::MonkeyJnBox:: I forgot to add "Papiamentu translation" on that last article! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 09:47:37 PM
  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/fb.jpg

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01202010_DiarioFP_CorruptionInvesti.jpg)

http://www.diario.aw/2010/01/posibel-investigacion-grandi-den-ata-pa-un-contrato-corupto/

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Papiamentu translation:

possible investigacion big in behold for one contrato corupto

publication: diaranson, 20 january 2010. categoria: general

cual ex minister is envolvi in fraude miyonario?

the chens (chance) is big cu have detencion will bay cay!

oranjestad (aan): cad seems owing to enter behold haciendo one investigacion very big self relaciona cu fraude y corupcion cu miyones of people. although still daily paper not have the investigacion here totalmente still, tog we have practicamente all cos rond. here is weganan dirt cu can costa cabez of one ex mandatario cu owing to permiti his self of acto coruptivo.

in edicion of tomorrow daily paper will follow elabora. cu the informacion in hand cu we have is sufficient for gobierno bay at ministerio publico y bay entrega one complaint for one falsificacion, fraude y corupcion cu coin of people.

will is good for know what type of conseho the ex mandatario owing to achieve for can owing to company cosnan cu owing to costa aruba miyones? owing to base of what interest algo so owing to sosode?

wait for cu cad haci one trabao earnest for so elimina all doubt cu have is colga. the caso here is much earnest y do not descarta cu the ex mandatario have chens of bay close till even because thing past owing to comete is much castigable.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Spanish translation:

research possible behold for one big contract in corupto

publication: diaranson, 20 january 2010. category: general

which former minister is wrapped up in fraud miyonario?

The Chens is big cu cay bay will have detention!

Oranjestad (AAN): cad seems Owing to enter behold doing one very big self research related fraud and forfeit invoice cu cu Miyone of people. although still not have the daily paper research totally still here, we have practically all tog cos rond. here is dirt cu weganan can Headlamp coast of one former president allowed cu Owing to his act of self coruptivo.

in edition of tomorrow will follow daily paper elaborates. cu cu in hand the information we have is sufficient for government and public ministry at bay delivery bay one complaint for one forgery, fraud and forfeit invoice cu coin of people.

will know what is good for conseho type of the former president can Owing to Achieve for Owing to company cosne cu aruba Miyone Owing to coast? Owing to interest basis of what something so Owing to sosode?

cu DAC to wait for one for so trabao earnest cu have removed all doubt is hanging. The case here is much earnest and do not rule out the former president have cu Chens of bay Because even close till past Owing thing is to make a lot of punishment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 09:51:40 PM
That one might be worth seeing if Red has time to email Jossy to see what he can share! ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe we could get a real translation of tomorrow's article!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 09:54:30 PM


I kinda feel like it's my birthday, but it's not!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::ElfMonkey::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 10:06:47 PM


POSSIBLE BIG INVESTIGATION...ATA....EX MINISTER....Contract....FRAUD>>>CORRUPTION.....GOOD CHANCE>>>lot of punishment.... ::MonkeyDance:: WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 10:09:20 PM
 ::lookie::

Anybody home?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

o.k.  I'll chill.... ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 20, 2010, 10:13:15 PM


POSSIBLE BIG INVESTIGATION...ATA....EX MINISTER....Contract....FRAUD>>>CORRUPTION.....GOOD CHANCE>>>lot of punishment.... ::MonkeyDance:: WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Breasen?  HE is one of the one I hate the most. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 20, 2010, 10:14:44 PM


I kinda feel like it's my birthday, but it's not!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::ElfMonkey::




Well, Happy Birthday anyway, TM.  You deserve it!! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 11:12:03 PM


I kinda feel like it's my birthday, but it's not!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::ElfMonkey::




Well, Happy Birthday anyway, TM.  You deserve it!! ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm thinking it's probably Briesen too!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
http://www.24ora.com/index.php

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Papiamentu translation:

valero is company acuerdo cu gobierno

local

thursday, 21 january 2010 - 00:14

diaranson night ehecutivonan of valero owing to company one acuerdo cu gabinete mike eman. after of reunionan intesivo last late, diahuebs morning will give one conferencia of prensa. stay pendiente more informacion... come across

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spanish translation:


valero is company agreed government cu

local

thursday, 21 january 2010 - 00:14

diaranson night ehecutivonan of one company valero Owing to agree cabinet mike cu eman. after intestinal last beats of meetings, will give one diahuebs morning of press conference. stay pending more information ... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 20, 2010, 11:46:34 PM
1/21/2010 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01212010AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

have all indicacion cu have one fraude, falsificacion big at aruba tourism authority

have one investigacion big is tumando lugar at aruba tourism authority, where of acuerdo cu the first indicacionnan, can owing to constata one fraude big, near of one cantidad of falsificacion for cu proyectonan of actividad cu was wordo organisa at aruba.

minister of turism, otmar oduber, does not neither give comentario on the particular here y wanted pay esnan cu is haci the investigacion, haci they trabao.

esnan cu is haciendo the investigacion actualmente is central accountants dienst (cad), cu as menciona, have indicacion end of have cos cu not owing to march good. none person does not talk nothing y for let the hendenan here haci they investigacion, but cu assure one day this will see luz of day.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spanish translation:

have all have one indication cu fraud, forgery big at Aruba Tourism Authority

is have one big research tumando place at Aruba Tourism Authority, where the first of agreement cu guideline only, can Owing to notes one big fraud, near of one quantity of forgery for cu cu proyectonan of activity was Wordo organizes at aruba.

minister of turism, Otmar Oduber, neither does not give comment on the particular here and wanted pay esnan haci cu is the research, they haci trabao.

esnan ea is doing the research center is currently accountants dienst (CAD), cu as mentioned, have a display end of cu cos have not Owing to march good. none person does not talk for nothing and let the investigation they haci deouje ge here, but assure cu one day this will see light of day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 01:02:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)




Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 21, 2010, 02:05:32 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)




Truth and Justice for Natalee!


 :smt055

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 21, 2010, 03:12:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1-1.jpg)




Truth and Justice for Natalee!


 :smt055

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thank you!


    (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/beautiful-women.gif)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: msmarple on January 21, 2010, 03:52:56 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I ran late with my wardrobe change (I guess that's a wardrobe malfunction of sorts ... )

It's good to see so many familiar monkeys and fun avatars.

I do hope everyone knows how hard texasmom works on the murder and crime stories from Aruba. That thread is still racking up page views, too.

I know many others work hard here, too. Unbelievable that it's been almost five years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 21, 2010, 08:10:05 AM


POSSIBLE BIG INVESTIGATION...ATA....EX MINISTER....Contract....FRAUD>>>CORRUPTION.....GOOD CHANCE>>>lot of punishment.... ::MonkeyDance:: WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCool::

OH!!!!  I can't WAIT to see the details on this one!!  Keeping my fingers crossed that it's something to do with Breisen.............and a contract at sea.........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 21, 2010, 08:10:33 AM


POSSIBLE BIG INVESTIGATION...ATA....EX MINISTER....Contract....FRAUD>>>CORRUPTION.....GOOD CHANCE>>>lot of punishment.... ::MonkeyDance:: WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!  ::CowboySmiley:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Breasen?  HE is one of the one I hate the most. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyGavel::  Great minds, Magnolia!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 21, 2010, 08:11:03 AM


I kinda feel like it's my birthday, but it's not!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::



 ::ElfMonkey::




Well, Happy Birthday anyway, TM.  You deserve it!! ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm thinking it's probably Briesen too!   ::MonkeyWink::



Dare we hope?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 21, 2010, 08:22:36 AM
I was able to watch Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise last night.  And I'm very glad I did.

I was pleased to see Buroughs (Vanity Fair) actually being fairly realistic and pointing out the rightousness of Natalee's family's anger - and the probability that ALE fubarred this "investigation" right from the beginning.

I was also pleased to see the heavy emphasis put on ALE having known from the beginning about a siezure type episode that Natalee suffered at the hands of Joran.

I do believe that was the first time Aruba's cover up and corruption was plainly pointed out in the televised media.

This is going to hurt Aruba for a long, long, LONG time to come......and I get the feeling this is only the beginning of the revelations that will be forthcoming regarding their corruption.

PM Mike Eman had better get his sh*t together ASAP and do the right thing..........and he can start by publicly releasing the findings into vd Straten and those first ten days!!!

Patriot - after reading your posts from yesterday, I was anxious to see and hear Beth state that she can't get Justice for Natalee.....and this is my take on it.

She sounded utterly heartbroken and sick when she made that admission.  It didn't sound to me like she is resigned to that fact, rather that she's still in turmoil and dispairs at that probability.

I'm going to be sending daily emails to Mike Eman, urging him to make public the findings of their investigation into Uncle Jan and his cohorts.

I'm going to send daily emails to Diario asking for their help in getting this released.

Watching Beth last night broke my heart all over again.  She IS a strong woman, but she is only one woman.  Aruba cannot be beaten down to reveal the truth by only one woman.  She still needs our support and help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 08:51:27 AM
I was able to watch Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise last night.  And I'm very glad I did.

I was pleased to see Buroughs (Vanity Fair) actually being fairly realistic and pointing out the rightousness of Natalee's family's anger - and the probability that ALE fubarred this "investigation" right from the beginning.

I was also pleased to see the heavy emphasis put on ALE having known from the beginning about a siezure type episode that Natalee suffered at the hands of Joran.

I do believe that was the first time Aruba's cover up and corruption was plainly pointed out in the televised media.

This is going to hurt Aruba for a long, long, LONG time to come......and I get the feeling this is only the beginning of the revelations that will be forthcoming regarding their corruption.

PM Mike Eman had better get his sh*t together ASAP and do the right thing..........and he can start by publicly releasing the findings into vd Straten and those first ten days!!!

Patriot - after reading your posts from yesterday, I was anxious to see and hear Beth state that she can't get Justice for Natalee.....and this is my take on it.

She sounded utterly heartbroken and sick when she made that admission.  It didn't sound to me like she is resigned to that fact, rather that she's still in turmoil and dispairs at that probability.

I'm going to be sending daily emails to Mike Eman, urging him to make public the findings of their investigation into Uncle Jan and his cohorts.

I'm going to send daily emails to Diario asking for their help in getting this released.

Watching Beth last night broke my heart all over again.  She IS a strong woman, but she is only one woman.  Aruba cannot be beaten down to reveal the truth by only one woman.  She still needs our support and help.

I'm glad you got to see the show jen, and I sooooo agree with everything you said about it!

Hopefully many Arubans watched it last night. 

I also sent an email last night, just checking in with Holland.  Mentioned a few things I'd read in the Aruban newspapers; asked about that investigation that was complete weeks ago that we've heard no more about.  Hopefully I'll hear something back.

I can't wait to see what this is all about with ATA.   ::MonkeyGavel::

Have a great day everyone!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 09:02:32 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I ran late with my wardrobe change (I guess that's a wardrobe malfunction of sorts ... )

It's good to see so many familiar monkeys and fun avatars.

I do hope everyone knows how hard texasmom works on the murder and crime stories from Aruba. That thread is still racking up page views, too.

I know many others work hard here, too. Unbelievable that it's been almost five years.

Great to see you Ms. Marple!  Thank you for always noting my work in the M & C thread.  I do intend to get some catching up done over there this weekend. 

Yes, it's almost been FIVE years...it's TIME for Aruba to do the right thing! 

 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on January 21, 2010, 11:26:16 AM
I was able to watch Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise last night.  And I'm very glad I did.

I was pleased to see Buroughs (Vanity Fair) actually being fairly realistic and pointing out the rightousness of Natalee's family's anger - and the probability that ALE fubarred this "investigation" right from the beginning.

I was also pleased to see the heavy emphasis put on ALE having known from the beginning about a siezure type episode that Natalee suffered at the hands of Joran.

I do believe that was the first time Aruba's cover up and corruption was plainly pointed out in the televised media.

This is going to hurt Aruba for a long, long, LONG time to come......and I get the feeling this is only the beginning of the revelations that will be forthcoming regarding their corruption.

PM Mike Eman had better get his sh*t together ASAP and do the right thing..........and he can start by publicly releasing the findings into vd Straten and those first ten days!!!

Patriot - after reading your posts from yesterday, I was anxious to see and hear Beth state that she can't get Justice for Natalee.....and this is my take on it.

She sounded utterly heartbroken and sick when she made that admission.  It didn't sound to me like she is resigned to that fact, rather that she's still in turmoil and dispairs at that probability.

I'm going to be sending daily emails to Mike Eman, urging him to make public the findings of their investigation into Uncle Jan and his cohorts.

I'm going to send daily emails to Diario asking for their help in getting this released.

Watching Beth last night broke my heart all over again.  She IS a strong woman, but she is only one woman.  Aruba cannot be beaten down to reveal the truth by only one woman.  She still needs our support and help.

I agree with what you're saying Jen and I feel terrible that Beth feels that way but like you said, she is only one women and how much can one women take?

It's easy for us to sit back and judge how she might feel, but maybe this entire ordeal has just been too much for too long...

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Patriot on January 21, 2010, 11:30:44 AM
Just an FYI,

my new Senator for MA owns a time share on the Rock!

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67759.php

Google translation:

Half year job guarantee for refinery personnel

January 21, 2010, 12:35 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

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Valero CEO Martin Parish signs the agreement, while Premier Mike Eman (AVP) happy watching.

ORANGE CITY - The Government last night and Valero have reached an agreement allowing the nearly 700 employees of the refinery in San Nicolas until June of this year to retain their jobs. The government also eliminated the 1 percent tax on exports BBO-off, allowing Valero waives the arbitration that it had brought. The U.S. oil company also bulk 200 million florin in the national treasury. In a sale is agreed that Valero another 10 million U.S. dollars 'bonus' pay, says Premier Mike Eman (AVP) Amigoe this morning.

The deal is about 85 percent of the total amount that the government still wanted Valero get cashed. With the payment of 200 million florin, the government in any way reduce any tax claims. These are the amount still owed on Valero Aruba bbo. The oil company had 200 million florin already put away in an escrow account in anticipation of a possible loss of the arbitration case. In this case also came late last year to a partial ruling, which Valero was still obliged to overdue dividends and exchange commission meeting. This was an amount of 35 million florin involved. Against this ruling was appealed, however Valero. The oil company had no profits to pay because of the still existing tax holiday.

Last week it was already known that the government again and Valero intensive talkers on the future of the refinery, which was closed last year. Last night around eleven hours were in the Government Office the Prime Minister, the ministers Mike Meza and Benny Sevinger, Valero's vice president of regional operations Refinary Martin Parish and CEO Valero Aruba Ray Buckley, after one days of negotiations until a new agreement. Eman says is somewhat a battle for the arm to keep the agreement because he first wants to submit to Parliament. The agreement does indeed affect the legislation. Thus, the PDO-law be modified so the 1 percent tax on exports expires. Also, the IPC Act (tax credits for imputation PLCs) are adjusted. Now the tax exemption (tax holiday) for Valero expires, the agreement is that the refinery will fall back under the tax and profit tax that they pay from 7 to 11 percent (the "standard profits tax rate is 28 percent). Last night, in any case agreed Eman said that Valero annually 10 million U.S. dollars to pay profit tax, if the oil company does not sell Aruba refinery. If the refinery is sold, then a new owner every year 15 million U.S. dollars to pay profits tax. The government also wants the settlement agreement is governed by law. This agreement must also be approved by parliament. The ruling party has a majority in the States also.

Prime Minister Eman does not know why Valero after years of conflict with the previous MEP government now come to agreements and a renewed interest in the Aruba refinery. "It's not that the situation on the oil market has become more optimistic and therefore the future of the refinery. The atmosphere in the present is certainly more flexible and constructive and not as hostile as ever. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
There's a new article in Diario today, but I don't really understand much of it at all.  I may try more translations of it later. 

http://www.diario.aw/2010/01/c-a-d-y-ministerio-publico-parce-ta-na-altura-di-posibel-fraude-miyonario/

More problems with Eric "the brute" Brete.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/01/chef-protocol-eric-brete-y-trahador-a-agredi-hende-riba-beach/

I haven't even tried reading this one yet, but it looks very disturbing!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/01/homber-di-76-ana-deteni-pa-actonan-inmoral-cu-mucha-di-5-y-6-anja/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 21, 2010, 02:51:23 PM
I was able to watch Natalee Holloway - Lost in Paradise last night.  And I'm very glad I did.

I was pleased to see Buroughs (Vanity Fair) actually being fairly realistic and pointing out the rightousness of Natalee's family's anger - and the probability that ALE fubarred this "investigation" right from the beginning.

I was also pleased to see the heavy emphasis put on ALE having known from the beginning about a siezure type episode that Natalee suffered at the hands of Joran.

I do believe that was the first time Aruba's cover up and corruption was plainly pointed out in the televised media.

This is going to hurt Aruba for a long, long, LONG time to come......and I get the feeling this is only the beginning of the revelations that will be forthcoming regarding their corruption.

PM Mike Eman had better get his sh*t together ASAP and do the right thing..........and he can start by publicly releasing the findings into vd Straten and those first ten days!!!

Patriot - after reading your posts from yesterday, I was anxious to see and hear Beth state that she can't get Justice for Natalee.....and this is my take on it.

She sounded utterly heartbroken and sick when she made that admission.  It didn't sound to me like she is resigned to that fact, rather that she's still in turmoil and dispairs at that probability.

I'm going to be sending daily emails to Mike Eman, urging him to make public the findings of their investigation into Uncle Jan and his cohorts.

I'm going to send daily emails to Diario asking for their help in getting this released.

Watching Beth last night broke my heart all over again.  She IS a strong woman, but she is only one woman.  Aruba cannot be beaten down to reveal the truth by only one woman.  She still needs our support and help.

Jen, I agree.
Thanks for your work and persistence.  Tia for your work in the coming days.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 05:39:05 PM
1/21/2010 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01212010AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

have all indicacion cu have one fraude, falsificacion big at aruba tourism authority

have one investigacion big is tumando lugar at aruba tourism authority, where of acuerdo cu the first indicacionnan, can owing to constata one fraude big, near of one cantidad of falsificacion for cu proyectonan of actividad cu was wordo organisa at aruba.

minister of turism, otmar oduber, does not neither give comentario on the particular here y wanted pay esnan cu is haci the investigacion, haci they trabao.

esnan cu is haciendo the investigacion actualmente is central accountants dienst (cad), cu as menciona, have indicacion end of have cos cu not owing to march good. none person does not talk nothing y for let the hendenan here haci they investigacion, but cu assure one day this will see luz of day.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spanish translation:

have all have one indication cu fraud, forgery big at Aruba Tourism Authority

is have one big research tumando place at Aruba Tourism Authority, where the first of agreement cu guideline only, can Owing to notes one big fraud, near of one quantity of forgery for cu cu proyectonan of activity was Wordo organizes at aruba.

minister of turism, Otmar Oduber, neither does not give comment on the particular here and wanted pay esnan haci cu is the research, they haci trabao.

esnan ea is doing the research center is currently accountants dienst (CAD), cu as mentioned, have a display end of cu cos have not Owing to march good. none person does not talk for nothing and let the investigation they haci deouje ge here, but assure cu one day this will see light of day.

http://www.overheid.aw/index.asp?nmoduleid=19&wgid=6&spagetype=21&nCMSPageType=1&nPageID=1130

Google translation:

CAD

The Central Audit the following contact information:

Name    Central Audit
Address    Lagoon Road 5-A
Orange City
Aruba, Caribbean Sea

Telephone    (297) 582-1719 / (297) 582-5979 / (297) 583-8577
Telefax    (297) 583-6318
E-mail address    cad@aruba.gov.aw

The Central Audit Department (CAD) is the internal audit of the country Aruba. The CAD is part of the Ministry of Finance and Economic Affairs.

The CAD monitors the accounts of the country and this provides an audit. The accounts of the Land is an important document because this made the government responsible to the States on the implemented financial management. Besides the control of the ministries responsible for monitoring the CAD land holdings and certain persons connected with the Land.

For an auditor to examine the CAD to be the financial administration by the government are conducted. If the internal audit department has extensive knowledge of CAD and the organization of the business of the ministries, departments and directorates. The CAD recommends that the management of risks in the areas of:

Reliability of financial and operational information.
Effectiveness and efficiency of business processes.
Protect your assets.
Compliance with laws and regulations and contracts.

The investigations of the CAD are usually implemented on its own initiative. The research objects are selected based on risk assessment and financial interests. In addition, studies commissioned by ministers and the management of services.

Each study by the CAD a report to the responsible ministers. It also received the management of relevant departments and the General Court a copy of the report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 21, 2010, 06:53:49 PM
Just an FYI,

my new Senator for MA owns a time share on the Rock!

 ::MonkeyMad::

I hope you will let him know the errors of his ways! ............ I'm inclined to let him amend his ways before I attack him (I'm sorta fond of him these days!!)  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 08:36:16 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peter-r.-de-vries/peters-dagboek/bullsharks-ladykillers-en-misdaadliteratuur.../

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Standaard-foto-Peters-Dagboek-545x306.jpg)


Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:05 hours
Peters Diary
Bull Sharks, Lady killers and crime literature ...

Koh Tao
The return of my diary in itself waited a little longer than I at the beginning of the Christmas recess was announced. Cause: family circumstances. Result was that I planned my dive trip to Thailand, around Christmas and New Years, had to cancel. On January 2 when everything was over and I really would start again on January 4, but decided I still like literally hiding in Koh Samui and Koh Tao. And that was very worthwhile, while the Netherlands offered a Siberian sight. The seawater around Thailand was 28 degrees and beautifully clear. That's different than the mirror in Plas Nederhorst den Berg, or the Vinkeveense puddles, which I normally - even in winter - diving.

Confrontation

Bull Shark
The dive in Koh Tao, I have also with a bold exclamation point in my logbook, because for the first time in my diving career I had an encounter with the bull shark (bull shark). And that name is not arbitrary. A bull shark is bigger, stronger and more aggressive than traditional sharks that you encounter as a diver (white tip, silver tip, gray reef shark, leopard shark, etc.). And during this dive as I have between 20 and 25 Bull Sharks seen, sometimes very closely. An impressive bonk muscles, really a predator from the booklet. I saw a bull shark really an almost careless movement, a rather large fish - like a huge carp - at once to gulped as if in only a snack was.

Bestsellers
But I have dived but widely read, on average one book per day. Including "Real men do not eat cheese", the controversial but well-loverboy-selling story of Mary Mustard. I think of what exactly I will later write. Also I read the book "Women in the evil Mr Hendrik Jan Korterink. A very readable book with good reports on female offenders (lady-killers) and victims. Hendrik Jan and I are often interested in similar things and into the same issues (eg psychological motivations) of crime.



I read for a change not only true crime this holiday, but also 'real' literature. One of the books was "The Dinner" by Herman Koch, a giga-bestseller. This book is also about a crime, the violent death of a planet. The culprits are two boys from very good family and parents - who already know what their sons have been up - discuss their tactics during a dinner. Hence the title. A very nice book, but I'm the author is able to catch a fairly serious fallacy, which the punch line of his story does not really stand. And, well, that is unfortunately often the case with 'normal' literature. It is 'in' to talk about crime, but often lack the writers know how all works in practice. I wonder if someone else's "mistake" also pointed out ... send me a mail if you think you know. Or sit among the visitors of a site-crime literature few readers?



On the box!
From what I'm going back today to work with new records for our series in mid March / April start. There are a few nice things in the pipeline many of which I expected, but in real life - so I know from experience - we always just wait or like. Price for the day ... the skin of the bear etc. etc. On the box is!

Peter R. de Vries

Last update: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:29 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 21, 2010, 10:39:53 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 21, 2010, 11:47:56 PM
I think this compliments something TM posted earlier:

 

Energy co. Valero seeks to end Aruba tax dispute
Texas-based Valero agrees to settlement terms ending tax dispute with Aruba


 Companies:Valero Energy Corp.
On Thursday January 21, 2010, 4:50 pm EST
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Valero Energy Corp. has agreed to a settlement that would end a tax dispute over its idle refinery in the Caribbean island of Aruba, business and government officials said Thursday.

The San Antonio-based company has agreed to pay roughly $111 million once the pact is approved by the Aruban Parliament, Valero spokesman Bill Day said.

The settlement also calls for Valero refinery workers to remain on the payroll until at least June 1, 2010. The company would also make a minimum tax payment of $10 million per year as long as it owns the plant to resolve the dispute, Day said.

Valero shut its Aruba refinery last June as falling prices for its refined products made the plant less profitable. The refinery had a capacity of about 275,000 barrels a day.

The largest refining company in the U.S., Valero bought the Aruba plant in 2004 but has been looking to sell it. No date has been set for a sale, and the company has declined to provide further details.

Day said the company "will continue to work with the new Aruban government to seek alternatives for the refinery."

Prime Minister Mike Eman, whose People's Party took power last year after dominating September general elections, told reporters that "some very impressive companies are showing interest" in the plant "but the solution is not there yet."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Energy-co-Valero-seeks-to-end-apf-1127501379.html/print?x=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 21, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
Similar report:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=atQ1xIoinxEY#


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 21, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 02:54:23 PM
It's great to see you Lifesong!  I hope all is well!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 22, 2010, 03:05:50 PM



Hi Texasmom!   

:2waver:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 22, 2010, 03:23:39 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Hi, Lifesong.  Good to see you & hope all is well.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 22, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa:: 

Has anyone seen or heard from hotping??  She hasn't been logged in for a while and we surely hope she's okay.  Miss her.

Name:  hotping
Posts:  3740 (4.764 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered:  November 28, 2007, 10:54:27 PM
Last Active:  December 25, 2009, 01:43:15 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 22, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
::HelloKitty::

Hi, Lifesong.  Good to see you & hope all is well.





Happy Birthday, 2NJ!  And happy belated to San!

Thought I'd better drop this off now in case I'm not around tomorrow...   

(http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/happy_birthday_cake.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Lifesong on January 22, 2010, 04:01:21 PM

(continued)

(Tom Anelli, Criminal Defense Attorney) He’s changed his story so many times that the Prosecutor and the Judge in this case cannot believe anything that is said.

(Bryan Burrough, Vanity Fair)  The history of crime is full of crimes like this, where everyone is reasonably certain they know what happened; the problem is proving it.

THE SUSPECTS ARE STILL AT LARGE, AND THE CASE IS STILL OFFICIALLY OPEN.
FOR THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA IT HAS CAUSED LASTING CONTROVERSY AND HARDSHIP.


(Julia Renfro)  The media represented Aruba in a very very bad light.  And Americans were outraged, and not just Americans; people all over the world were outraged at Aruba for the cover-up for the scandal for...for all of these things that were being represented in the media.  And this created wow a lot of hatred towards Aruba and towards anything Aruba.



Texasmom - thank you soo much for posting the transcript of the TLC special.   I haven't been able to see the program yet, but just finished reading your excellent transcript.

This last quote of Julia Renfro's really got my attention.

So, I just want to say to Julia Renfro...you still sound like a freaking idiot!!   

Did it ever occur to you, Julia, that maybe the "people all over the world" were just as outraged that the citizens of Aruba allowed their local underage children to gamble in casinos and drink in bars and prey upon the very tourists supporting their economy?  The media certainly didn't make that up.

And you're a parent yourself?  Really?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  At this late date, lady, you should have at least found yourself a clue. 
 

::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 22, 2010, 05:17:40 PM
Lifesong.....she is a freaking idiot...!  and one with either lots of plastic surgery or botox or both....she's having a bad time blinking....and it makes me smile. 

She still doesn't get it.  I wanted to add to the red highlighted paragraph....and
"wow Julia that hatred for all things Aruba puts you right at the top....you chose
to get cozy with the enemy....the rest of the world chose not to".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 05:23:43 PM
::MonkeyWaa:: 

Has anyone seen or heard from hotping??  She hasn't been logged in for a while and we surely hope she's okay.  Miss her.

Name:  hotping
Posts:  3740 (4.764 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered:  November 28, 2007, 10:54:27 PM
Last Active:  December 25, 2009, 01:43:15 AM


I haven't seen or heard from her either 2NJ.  I hope she's o.k. too, I miss her terribly!   :smt090



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 22, 2010, 05:36:36 PM
Lifesong called Renfro a "lady"  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Hiya Lifesong!  Good to see you!!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I miss Hotping as well, hopefully she will check in soon!!!!


2NJ - I hope you have a wonderful day tomorrow!!  Happy Birthday!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 06:01:17 PM

(continued)

(Tom Anelli, Criminal Defense Attorney) He’s changed his story so many times that the Prosecutor and the Judge in this case cannot believe anything that is said.

(Bryan Burrough, Vanity Fair)  The history of crime is full of crimes like this, where everyone is reasonably certain they know what happened; the problem is proving it.

THE SUSPECTS ARE STILL AT LARGE, AND THE CASE IS STILL OFFICIALLY OPEN.
FOR THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA IT HAS CAUSED LASTING CONTROVERSY AND HARDSHIP.


(Julia Renfro)  The media represented Aruba in a very very bad light.  And Americans were outraged, and not just Americans; people all over the world were outraged at Aruba for the cover-up for the scandal for...for all of these things that were being represented in the media.  And this created wow a lot of hatred towards Aruba and towards anything Aruba.



Texasmom - thank you soo much for posting the transcript of the TLC special.   I haven't been able to see the program yet, but just finished reading your excellent transcript.

This last quote of Julia Renfro's really got my attention.

So, I just want to say to Julia Renfro...you still sound like a freaking idiot!!   

Did it ever occur to you, Julia, that maybe the "people all over the world" were just as outraged that the citizens of Aruba allowed their local underage children to gamble in casinos and drink in bars and prey upon the very tourists supporting their economy?  The media certainly didn't make that up.

And you're a parent yourself?  Really?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  At this late date, lady, you should have at least found yourself a clue. 
 

::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


You're welcome Lifesong!  I hope you get a chance to see the show too. 

And I agree with you and Mere about Renfro.    ::MonkeyNoNo::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 06:12:33 PM
ARUBA

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67798.php

Google translation:

Research fraud ATA

January 22, 2010, 07:18 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transport Otmar Oduber (AVP) has confirmed that the Central Audit Department (CAD) conducts research in Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA). "There is an ongoing investigation. I want more now but not lost. I want the progress of the investigation did not interfere. "The minister said that he" particularly sorry that the office of ATA is currently in a bad light ". The minister is the investigation "within a very short term" completed. Astrid Muller, member of the management of ATA would lose nothing about the investigation. Local media reported Thursday that research into widespread fraud and forgery in events organized by Aruba Tourism Authority in the past two years have been organized.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Lifesong called Renfro a "lady"  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Hiya Lifesong!  Good to see you!!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I miss Hotping as well, hopefully she will check in soon!!!!


2NJ - I hope you have a wonderful day tomorrow!!  Happy Birthday!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::


 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

I thought "hogamento" meant "drowned", but I guess not?  I haven't been able to find a translation of the word.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15583/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at of senjor frogs

friday, 22 january 2010 - 15:52

in oranan of diabierna afternoon, ambulance owing to bay cu urgencia at sr. frogs for one caso of hogamento. at first instant owing to think cu can was deal of one child, but not was so. click read more for more info... is come deal here of one tourist masculino of edad madura, that posiblemente owing to achieve one ataca y owing to injury his self at the tobogan of sr. frogs. at once unidadnan of ambulance owing to present at the sitio for work cune. for of vocero of hospital, sr. harms, we owing to come achieve informe cu the cabayero at instant cu el'a arrive hospital, owing to fayece (die). at famianan of the fayecido we is extende we sincero words of deep condolencia.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0vnJwpkS9U

http://www.youtube.com/v/l0vnJwpkS9U&hl=en_US&fs=1&

acousticsoulaua
January 22, 2010
(less info)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 07:53:24 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

I thought "hogamento" meant "drowned", but I guess not?  I haven't been able to find a translation of the word.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15583/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at of senjor frogs

friday, 22 january 2010 - 15:52

in oranan of diabierna afternoon, ambulance owing to bay cu urgencia at sr. frogs for one caso of hogamento. at first instant owing to think cu can was deal of one child, but not was so. click read more for more info... is come deal here of one tourist masculino of edad madura, that posiblemente owing to achieve one ataca y owing to injury his self at the tobogan of sr. frogs. at once unidadnan of ambulance owing to present at the sitio for work cune. for of vocero of hospital, sr. harms, we owing to come achieve informe cu the cabayero at instant cu el'a arrive hospital, owing to fayece (die). at famianan of the fayecido we is extende we sincero words of deep condolencia.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_5.jpg)

Maybe he did drown in the pool at Senor Frogs?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

My guess, it will be ruled a heart attack. 

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2510&offId=0&offDate=2010-1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_AWE24_SenorFrogsDeath_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

5 hora happen fecha: 22/01/2010 horario: 14:40

tourist owing to become bad at the waterslide of club in westraat, 3 ambulance owing to bay brinda asistnecia

diabierna nightfall owing to enter informe cu a will owing to hoga in owing to waterslide of one club in weststraat at once owing to beat alarma y owing to dirigi ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of ambulance they owing to encontra cu one person cu will owing to become bad y owing to hoga in the pool, at once they owing to inicia cu cpr. after owing to hibe cu urgencia for hospital. one rato after of his arrival at hospital not owing to stay nothing another cu constata cu the tourist crucero of 62 anja owing to fayece. words of condolencia at famianan of the fayecido, cu the sosega at paz. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 07:56:04 PM


Hi Snoopy!   :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 22, 2010, 09:10:09 PM
After all this time, looking at maps and pictures, it seems that one shot in those senor frog pics looks like a cruise ship is parked almost next to that dump.  I knew the docks were not far, but didn't think the ships were that close (maybe a block or two away).  Am I wrong? 

If that man died on the waterslide, I wonder where the spotters were and what he had to drink before going down, down, down.   Sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 09:45:41 PM
After all this time, looking at maps and pictures, it seems that one shot in those senor frog pics looks like a cruise ship is parked almost next to that dump.  I knew the docks were not far, but didn't think the ships were that close (maybe a block or two away).  Am I wrong? 

If that man died on the waterslide, I wonder where the spotters were and what he had to drink before going down, down, down.   Sad.

I know, I had visions of that man getting booze poured down his throat like I've seen in so many pictures!   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Very sad...

I thought that ship looked awfully close too!  I guess it IS!  You can almost step off the ship and into Senor Frogs!

http://maps.google.com/


Senor Frogs near Weststraat, Oranjestad, Aruba

Señor Frog´s‎
Oranjestad, Aruba‎ - 5820390‎ - 0.7 km SW

(A)  Carlos 'n Charlie's‎ - more info »
Weststraat, Oranjestad, Aruba‎ - 582 0355‎ - 0.7 km SW
2 reviews

(B)  "Señor Frogs Weststraat 1, Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean. Tel +297 582 0355 ..."‎ visitarubaplus.com‎ 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/SenorFrogsCarlosnCharliesMap_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/SenorFrogsCarlosnCharliesMap_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 22, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
Thanks, again, TM.....I also thought that senor frog was in the same building as C&C, but Google says otherwise.  Learning something new every day, I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 22, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
Thanks, again, TM.....I also thought that senor frog was in the same building as C&C, but Google says otherwise.  Learning something new every day, I guess.

I've read both versions same building different name, new building for Senor Frogs with the Carlos n Charlie's building for sale.
 
 ::MonkeyConfused::

In this pic of Carlos 'n Charlie's it looks like that ship is just as close as in those pics today to me!  And in that video I posted about a week ago, the guy from New York said he was standing outside the last place Natalee had been seen and that it had been "renamed" Senor Frogs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CarlosnCharliesAruba.jpg

This image was originally posted to Flickr by ZacharyTirrell at http://flickr.com/photos/60863155@N00/135670256

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/CarlosnCharliesAruba.jpg/800px-CarlosnCharliesAruba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 23, 2010, 12:30:51 AM
Thanks, again, TM.....I also thought that senor frog was in the same building as C&C, but Google says otherwise.  Learning something new every day, I guess.

I've read both versions same building different name, new building for Senor Frogs with the Carlos n Charlie's building for sale.
 
 ::MonkeyConfused::

In this pic of Carlos 'n Charlie's it looks like that ship is just as close as in those pics today to me!  And in that video I posted about a week ago, the guy from New York said he was standing outside the last place Natalee had been seen and that it had been "renamed" Senor Frogs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CarlosnCharliesAruba.jpg

This image was originally posted to Flickr by ZacharyTirrell at http://flickr.com/photos/60863155@N00/135670256

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/CarlosnCharliesAruba.jpg/800px-CarlosnCharliesAruba.jpg)
Carlos & Charlie's and Senor Frogs both have the same parent company  - I had thought that C & C's had closed and was REPLACED with Senor Frogs.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 12:59:19 AM
I think that's basically what happened wreck.  The confusion is over whether or not Senor Frogs is in the same building Carlos 'n Charlie's was in. 

Did you watch the show?  If so, what did you think?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: wreck on January 23, 2010, 01:12:40 AM
I think that's basically what happened wreck.  The confusion is over whether or not Senor Frogs is in the same building Carlos 'n Charlie's was in. 

Did you watch the show?  If so, what did you think?  TIA
No, I stillkeep missing it -- I saw your transcript though, THANKS!!!


I attended a workshop for "website optimization" put on by AT&T yesterday and just happened to win an IPhone!!!  I never win anything!! I have been pretty wrapped up in learning how to work the damn thing. It is pretty much amazing!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 01:22:03 AM
I think that's basically what happened wreck.  The confusion is over whether or not Senor Frogs is in the same building Carlos 'n Charlie's was in. 

Did you watch the show?  If so, what did you think?  TIA
No, I stillkeep missing it -- I saw your transcript though, THANKS!!!


I attended a workshop for "website optimization" put on by AT&T yesterday and just happened to win an IPhone!!!  I never win anything!! I have been pretty wrapped up in learning how to work the damn thing. It is pretty much amazing!!  ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome! 

WOW...congrats!  I bet that is cool, and you'll love it once you get used to it.  I don't have one but I know several people who do and they're lost without it.  I never win anything either!

Well, if you have the ID - Investigation Discovery channel, you've got another chance to see it if you want to! 

 ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/natalee-holloway--lost-in-paradise/6588764

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/NataleeHollowayLostInParadiseTVL-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 01:32:53 AM
I wasn't sure if I got that channel or not, so I checked and on my direct tv it's channel 285.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 01:42:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 23, 2010, 01:57:20 AM
Happy Birthday 2NJ

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 23, 2010, 03:35:21 AM
::MonkeyWaa:: 

Has anyone seen or heard from hotping??  She hasn't been logged in for a while and we surely hope she's okay.  Miss her.

Name:  hotping
Posts:  3740 (4.764 per day)
Position:  Scared Monkey
Date Registered:  November 28, 2007, 10:54:27 PM
Last Active:  December 25, 2009, 01:43:15 AM


Maybe she got a hunk for Christmas with a trip on a yacht around the world!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


If not, I hope we hear from my other Sis, soon, I have been thinking of her.

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on January 23, 2010, 03:59:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: sharon on January 23, 2010, 08:24:24 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 2NJ --- CELEBRATE!!


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 23, 2010, 10:16:59 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: 

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/22.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1019:homber-cu-ataca-di-curazon-na-sr-frogs&catid=1:policial&Itemid=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01232010_Einformante_SenorFrogsDeat.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

man cu ataca of curazon at sr frog's

friday, 22 january 2010 13:13

diabierna in day some tourist was gozando y owing to cuminsa employ the tobogan at frogs. one sir of edad just in the slide owing to hanja one ataca of curazon. esnan in the lugar owing to try help the mr here y owing to calling of trip 911 for so can come give one hand. automaticamente 2 ambulance owing to present for so help the mr here but this not owing to succeed y he owing to fayece.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 23, 2010, 01:19:30 PM
2NJ - Happy Birthday!  Hope your family is spoiling you with love and kisses!

 ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 04:08:53 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/14785/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12252009_24ora_TouristAttackedRobbe.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

turistanan asalta bispo of pasco night near of paseo herencia

friday, 25 december 2009 - 12:18

turistanan cu owing to come happen dianan of party at aruba owing to become victima of one asalto bispo of pasco night. police owing to wordo calling for her caso here y at arrival near of paseo herencia owing to hear what owing to sosode. the bag of the turistanan owing to wordo ranca y the asaltantenan owing to descend at water after. according testigonan owing to tell police, the asaltantenan owing to descend at water in one bmw one some old color black. after of the asalto they owing to go direccion of hotel mariott. click read more for more detaye.

strandpolitie owing to cay inside at once. polisnan of distrito north also owing to cay inside y owing to cuminsa throw one view for one bmw color black. algo so is one golpi strong on we turism. is wait for cu place hand on esnan responsable.

No idea how many similar BMW's are on the island, but this certainly caught my attention. Wonder if the police department that detained the driver was even aware of the Christmas day attack on the tourist?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2514&offId=0

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01232010_Awe24_BlackBMW_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:


15 hora pasa / fecha 23/1/2010 / horario 01:12

after of one persecucion police owing to succeed detene chofer cu owing to happen in light cora y owing to send car on police

saturday madruga after of cu police did take notice of one car bmw owing to happen in light cora y owing to bay stop the chofer this owing to send car on dje for after owing to start one persecucion cu owing to bay end behind lighthouse hour cu they owing to succeed detene the sospechoso c. we will follow informa. update the sospechoso owing to being poni in lebertad after of one interogacion diminutive. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01232010_Awe24_BlackBMW_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01232010_Awe24_BlackBMW_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 07:42:02 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67872.php

Google translation:

Dump back into fire

January 23, 2010, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/23-pag-03-brand-dump-_ar_-2.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - Large plumes of black smoke above the landfill in Parkietenbos. Yesterday afternoon, part of the dump on fire again. This resulted in Orange City for the necessary smoke and odor nuisance. Access to the landfill was temporarily closed and garbage collection Serlimar was under the watchful eye of the fire in the back with excavators to subdue the fire. Stack of old tires were on fire. According to firefighters who were on site, the old ties are deliberately lit. Late last month, the dump also on fire. Minister for Infrastructure, Environment and Integration Benny Sevinger (AVP) released when a visit to the fire. Manager Jonathan Tromp told him that the fire was started with tires. "It is no different than that these tires are ignited," said the minister at that time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 08:09:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67869.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Fast track for speeding drivers

January 23, 2010, 13:03 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Speed Devils more than 30 kilometer per hour speeding, are now quickly brought to justice. This is what the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the Police Corps of Aruba (KPA) decided. They put the rigorous approach of speeding drivers on the short-term offenders to justice.

"Speeding, whether or not combined with excessive alcohol consumption, has recently led to numerous traffic accidents. It often fatal casualties, "said the OM. The police and prosecutor are therefore concerned about the speeding on the roads Aruba.

Fast track
By speeding of 30 kilometer or more, the so-called "fast track" application. The prosecution has issued separate agreements with the Court of First Instance. On February 4 a dozen issues will be dealt with fast track. It is speeding drivers in the weekend of January 17 and 16 by the police during road checks have been detained. All drivers had substantially violated the maximum speed of 30, 40 and even 50 kilometer per hour.

"These people are at high risk of losing their license," warns the OM. "In excess of the maximum gross rate, the court, especially if the driver has committed more speed limit, to decide an unconditional disqualification from driving."

The Public Ministry has since July 2009 the fines and punishment for speeding increased demands.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 08:21:05 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67862.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Sliding Party fatal for tourist

January 23, 2010 12:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An American tourist cruise (60) is deceased yesterday afternoon after a visit to Señor Frog's in Weststraat. The victim was with family and friends in the restaurant. He was there including the use of existing water slide. Around three hours in the afternoon he became ill. The emergency services were called and the management decided to close the case. When it became clear that the man had a cardiac arrest, two ambulances were on site. Ill Brothers would still have resuscitated the victim, but the help came too late. Upon arrival at the Horacio Oduber Hospital proved to be the man deceased.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 08:27:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67860.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Inzamelactie for food bank

January 23, 2010, 12:57 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - With a massive Community Collection Day launched Comunidad Fundacion Pa Nos (FPNC) morning the Aruban Food, Clothing and Furniture Bank. "We have furniture, clothing, toys, household goods and canned foods to the food bank needed to fill," said Claudie Wegdam. "That we can help people who are not financially or barely in their own livelihood."

The inzamelactie, except the filling of the food bank, another goal. FPNC wishes to profile on Aruba and explain what the Aruban Food, Clothing and Furniture Bank. Wegdam: "We have been for three years now been working. Now is the time for everyone to Aruba to show what we do. For us it is time to meet with the Aruban community. Besides a drop-off point of goods, there was plenty to do on the ground in Aruba Post. "Thus now and BMW NBO bands of the party to entertain the public. There were also snacks and drinks and a jump for dinosaur children. "Anyone who is interested to help in its mission to FPNC poverty on Aruba to prevent and combat can be tender." Despite all the attention now focused on the earthquake-found island of Haiti, said yesterday Wegdam a large turnout expected. "What happened in Haiti is very bad. But there should not be forgotten that about 1300 families are without electricity, water and food to live because they can not pay, "said Wegdam.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 23, 2010, 09:30:10 PM
Looking back in the vault:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.msg396057#msg396057
Looks like OxBlood got banned from the aruban forum lol
Here is some info on C&C/Senor Frogs

Carlos and Charlies closed in January. Next door and upstairs (on the left) is now Senor Frogs http://www.senorfrogs.com/ which is owned by the same parent company as C&C. Most of the same people that worked at C&C now work at SF. Another place for music & dancing is Mambo Jambo's at Royal Plaza Mall (next to the bus station). You can see their music schedule on http://www.mambojamboaruba.com/index_flash.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375297#msg375297

Auba party pics  
http://www.coolaruba.com/com

also older pics !
this is the new bar Señor Frogs was C&C
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/hola_senor_frog__201_.jpg?t=1208637541)

the owner:
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/hola_senor_frog__160_.jpg?t=1208637599)

Same game different name.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369558#msg369558
(And the quote stack on this one is huge, so I won't bring it here. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 23, 2010, 09:41:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67862.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Sliding Party fatal for tourist

January 23, 2010 12:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An American tourist cruise (60) is deceased yesterday afternoon after a visit to Señor Frog's in Weststraat. The victim was with family and friends in the restaurant. He was there including the use of existing water slide. Around three hours in the afternoon he became ill. The emergency services were called and the management decided to close the case. When it became clear that the man had a cardiac arrest, two ambulances were on site. Ill Brothers would still have resuscitated the victim, but the help came too late. Upon arrival at the Horacio Oduber Hospital proved to be the man deceased.


They could have 10 ambulances on site.  If it was clear that the man had a cardiac arrest, the first responders should respond with a defibrillator.  There were no defib pads on the man.  AEDs are cheap and used by lay people.  They might want to trade in some of their flashy uniforms for some basic equipment.  Sheesh...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 09:50:56 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

I thought "hogamento" meant "drowned", but I guess not?  I haven't been able to find a translation of the word.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/15583/8/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

caso of hogamento at of senjor frogs

friday, 22 january 2010 - 15:52

in oranan of diabierna afternoon, ambulance owing to bay cu urgencia at sr. frogs for one caso of hogamento. at first instant owing to think cu can was deal of one child, but not was so. click read more for more info... is come deal here of one tourist masculino of edad madura, that posiblemente owing to achieve one ataca y owing to injury his self at the tobogan of sr. frogs. at once unidadnan of ambulance owing to present at the sitio for work cune. for of vocero of hospital, sr. harms, we owing to come achieve informe cu the cabayero at instant cu el'a arrive hospital, owing to fayece (die). at famianan of the fayecido we is extende we sincero words of deep condolencia.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_24ora_SenorFrogsDeath_5.jpg)

Maybe he did drown in the pool at Senor Frogs?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

My guess, it will be ruled a heart attack. 

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2510&offId=0&offDate=2010-1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01222010_AWE24_SenorFrogsDeath_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

5 hora happen fecha: 22/01/2010 horario: 14:40

tourist owing to become bad at the waterslide of club in westraat, 3 ambulance owing to bay brinda asistnecia

diabierna nightfall owing to enter informe cu a will owing to hoga in owing to waterslide of one club in weststraat at once owing to beat alarma y owing to dirigi ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of ambulance they owing to encontra cu one person cu will owing to become bad y owing to hoga in the pool, at once they owing to inicia cu cpr. after owing to hibe cu urgencia for hospital. one rato after of his arrival at hospital not owing to stay nothing another cu constata cu the tourist crucero of 62 anja owing to fayece. words of condolencia at famianan of the fayecido, cu the sosega at paz. come across

I agree with what you said Buckeye, they SHOULD have the proper equipment in case of cardiac arrest.  Wasn't sure if you saw the first reports of the incident. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 23, 2010, 09:52:41 PM
Looking back in the vault:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.msg396057#msg396057
Looks like OxBlood got banned from the aruban forum lol
Here is some info on C&C/Senor Frogs

Carlos and Charlies closed in January. Next door and upstairs (on the left) is now Senor Frogs http://www.senorfrogs.com/ which is owned by the same parent company as C&C. Most of the same people that worked at C&C now work at SF. Another place for music & dancing is Mambo Jambo's at Royal Plaza Mall (next to the bus station). You can see their music schedule on http://www.mambojamboaruba.com/index_flash.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375297#msg375297

Auba party pics  
http://www.coolaruba.com/com

also older pics !
this is the new bar Señor Frogs was C&C
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/hola_senor_frog__201_.jpg?t=1208637541)

the owner:
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/hola_senor_frog__160_.jpg?t=1208637599)

Same game different name.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369558#msg369558
(And the quote stack on this one is huge, so I won't bring it here. 

Thanks MuffyBee!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 23, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
O/T for 2NJ  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/v/xUlDCWfQmdQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&border=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 24, 2010, 12:47:37 AM
Happy Birthday 2NJ  :smt059

I hope that you enjoy many, many more. . :smt113 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 01:43:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!

 ::MonkeyJustice::

::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyGavel::::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 11:45:28 AM
I found this interesting about Dolphi Richardson.  O.K., I'll be honest...I was shocked!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19:dolphi-richardson-cu-varios-bon-composicion-e-prome-nochi&catid=9:carnaval-55&Itemid=4

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/02032009_EInformante_Dolphi_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

dolphi richardson cu several good composicion the first night

tuesday, 03 february 2009 11:29

oranjestad-dolphi richardson cu'n cantidad of good compisicion y areglo combina cu odor in the first night of calypso y roadmarch contest. the composicion for queen melody, esta the roadmarch owing to strike good, y the was have several more for tsunami also owing to strike good in centro of district brazil. dolphi is conoci because; trompetista but already for some time end el'a come is canta cu tsunami for cierto cancionnan. yesterday evening the was have one tremendo stage performance cu the cancion bounce, several was the comentarionan monday night cu the is cant'e miho cu esun aboriginal self. in 56 will not have doubt cu dolphi will go debuta in calypso y roadmarch contest.

Papiamentu/Google Portugese translation:

dolphi richardson cu composicion several good the first night

tuesday, february 03, 2009 11:29

oranjestad -  dolphi richardson cu'n of good compisicion cantidad y cu areglo combines odor in the first night of calypso and roadmarch contest. composicion is the melody queen, this roadmarch owing to the strike good, and the was have several more for tsunami also owing to strike good in center district of Brazil. dolphi is conoci because; trumpeter but already for some time end is come el'a sings for tsunami cu cierto cancionnan. yesterday evening the was have one huge stage performance cu cancion the bounce, several comentarionan was the monday night is the cu cant'e miho cu ESUN aboriginal self. in 56 will not have doubt cu dolphi will go debuts in calypso and roadmarch contest.


http://tsunamiaruba.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/DolphiRichardson_Tsunami_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/DolphiRichardson_2009CarnavalCalyps.jpg)

http://footfit.aw/ad.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/DolphiRichardson_Tsunami_2009Ad-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/DolphiRichardson_Tsunami_2009Ad2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: San on January 24, 2010, 12:49:46 PM
HOBBY - I ENJOYED PARTICIPATING IN THE COVERUP OF THE MURDERED AMERICAN GIRL NAMED NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I THINK I HAD THEM ALL FOOLED.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/DolphiRichardson_Tsunami_1.jpg)

SAN SAYS: YOU AND ALL THOSE OTHER CORRUPT PEOPLE IN ARUBA NEVER HAD US FOOLED.  YOU WILL GET YOURS ONE DAY AND THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE BANK YOU POS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 01:55:25 PM
HOBBY - I ENJOYED PARTICIPATING IN THE COVERUP OF THE MURDERED AMERICAN GIRL NAMED NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  I THINK I HAD THEM ALL FOOLED.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Dolphi%20Richardson/DolphiRichardson_Tsunami_1.jpg)

SAN SAYS: YOU AND ALL THOSE OTHER CORRUPT PEOPLE IN ARUBA NEVER HAD US FOOLED.  YOU WILL GET YOURS ONE DAY AND THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE BANK YOU POS.

I agree 100%!  I hate them all! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 01:56:56 PM
I just looked at the list for this weeks pre-final Calypso/Roadmarch

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=972:lista-di-secuencia-di-banda-pa-pre-final-di-calypso-a-roadmarch-contest-2010&catid=14:carnaval-56&Itemid=4

Band: Tsunami
First and Last Name: Adolf Richardson
Artistic Name:  Carnival Commisionar
Cal/Road: Roadmarch
Title:  Everybody back back
Composer:  Adolf Richardson
Arranger:  Hubert Thiel/Adolf Richardson

"Dolfi" also composed and arranged at least one other song for another performer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 24, 2010, 02:04:25 PM
Happy Birthday to 2 NJ!

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 02:51:14 PM
1/4/2010 Awe Mainta Page 7

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(I think this is a letter to the editor)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01042010AweMaintaPg7.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

con one comerciante in caya big is earn coin abusando of empleadonan (employees) foreigner

this is one ehempel cu despite cu aruba conoce leynan laboral estrecho y inspectornan of departamento of job, tog in sector priva have donjonan of work cu is abusa of trahadornan foreigner. is deal of jovennan trahador cu is leave decepciona cu at aruba is existi esclavitud modern, caminda cu leynan is wordo burla of form fine for earn coin over of back of hendenan cu is in one situashon vulnerable y not know where for bay cu they experencia bad.

in caya big have one studio of potret, cual donjo have the reputashon of is deal trahadornan as esclavo, y is believe cu the can follow cu his practicanan inlimita without cu none person can hasie nothing. trahadornan foreigner, particularmente muhernan young of origen colombiana, is enter y leave the business. none do not stay largo for stay wanta the abusonan. lastimamente, cu cada cara new cu enter for look for work the is probecha of new. the relashon of work is cuminsa cu one miss of cualkier contract or palabrashonan concreto. so never the donjo not can wordo complain legalmente for lokual the is make. the condishonan laboral is break all ley of aruba, at instant cu empleadonan is work among 10 for 13 hour y half for day bao of preshon y without descanza, for one salary of less of 5 guilder for hour. empleadonan is wordo obliga for wanta hungry have hour till tres’or of nightfall first cu they achieve one chens for bao of presion come 10 minuut, for after reanuda work of new.

the empleadonan is achieve they self is wanta maltrato caminda cu the donjo of work is zundra they fast of cliente y push y treknan fysicamente, algo cu none aruban will not permiti. porcierto the same person here is aserca the empleadonan sexualmente bao presion cu they will lose part of they payment or they work if they not satisface they donjo of work.

besides the empresa is employ children of scol of 15, 16 anja for disfraza in costuum of figuranan of cartoons, cu is earn supuestamente 10 guilder for hora. lastimamente they're wordo change cada hour for one another child. at end of one day largo, cu the children is pendiente of they side job, they're go back cas cu only two or three hour pay, esta only the oranan cu they was disfraza. not despite cu aruba conoce one salary minimo, till even empleadonan “vast” is ricibi less, bao presion cu they can lose they work facilmente y cu in the temponan here is dificil for achieve one work. the caso of the fotostudio here is simplemente one ehempel of what is happen at we island in sector laboral. the realidad of much foreigner cu is aporta at we economia is less beautiful cu much person is think.

despite of all cos much person have the confianza cu departamento of job will not permiti for abusonan so follow happen at aruba, caminda posiblemente more dunadornan of work is bypass structuralmente leynan laboral for exploita trahadornan.

(nomber y adres is conoci at redaccion)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
1/4/2010 Awe Mainta Page 8

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01042010AweMaintaPg8.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

bombero owing to bay controla smoke cu was leave of the ex-oficina of nel oduber pabao of talk or the town

saturday morning owing to enter informacion of cu have smoke saliendo for of the ex-oficina of nel oduber, cu is stay pabao of talk or the town. at once owing to dirigi police because; bombero n’e sitio. at arrival of bombero not owing to achieve nothing particular, indicando cu this was one another alarma false. the office here, cu was ocupa for ex first minister nel oduber, of acuerdo cu informacion cu we have, is bay now for aruba tourism authority.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 24, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/01/linking-ellie-light-to-the-white-house.html

I know this post of Dan's has nothing to do with the NH case but scroll down to the comments at the end, LOLOL  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/01/linking-ellie-light-to-the-white-house.html

I know this post of Dan's has nothing to do with the NH case but scroll down to the comments at the end, LOLOL  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 24, 2010, 10:19:52 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/01/linking-ellie-light-to-the-white-house.html

I know this post of Dan's has nothing to do with the NH case but scroll down to the comments at the end, LOLOL  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::      Damn, wish we could flag posts like we can in email. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 24, 2010, 10:47:04 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 2NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a game! Yeah Saints  (WHO DAT!)     WOW & WOW again!!!      ::MonkeyFootball::

The whole state of Louisiana is yelling!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 24, 2010, 11:16:01 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 2NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a game! Yeah Saints  (WHO DAT!)     WOW & WOW again!!!      ::MonkeyFootball::

The whole state of Louisiana is yelling!!!

Congrats cajun miracle!  ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on January 24, 2010, 11:53:06 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 2NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a game! Yeah Saints  (WHO DAT!)     WOW & WOW again!!!      ::MonkeyFootball::

The whole state of Louisiana is yelling!!!

Congrats cajun miracle!  ::MonkeyDance::



Thanks Texasmom. It was an awesome game! Anything new with Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 12:23:28 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 2NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a game! Yeah Saints  (WHO DAT!)     WOW & WOW again!!!      ::MonkeyFootball::

The whole state of Louisiana is yelling!!!

Ya'll deserve it Cajun..Congrats to the Saints,the city of New Orleans,and the whole state of Louisiana!Whatta great team to root for! ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 12:53:06 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 2NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a game! Yeah Saints  (WHO DAT!)     WOW & WOW again!!!      ::MonkeyFootball::

The whole state of Louisiana is yelling!!!

Congrats cajun miracle!  ::MonkeyDance::



Thanks Texasmom. It was an awesome game! Anything new with Natalee?

I haven't come across anything new lately.  Always hoping to though!   ::MonkeyCool::

I watched most of the game, very exciting!  My mom and many others in Mississippi have been long time Saints fans; but I know they love Farve too...  Haven't talked to anyone yet to hear their thoughts on the game yet.  I'm sure they're all very proud for the New Orleans Saints! 



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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 12:54:13 AM
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Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 01:19:51 AM
Now,why would someone fromAruba be interested in Mickey John,and or his statements???

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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 25, 2010, 07:22:32 AM
ACT REJOINS FCCA PLATINUM MEMBERSHIP
 Cruise News     January 21st, 2010
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Following a positive meeting with the Florida - Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA) in December in Miami,
the new Director of Aruba Cruise Tourism, Ms. Tamara Waldron, has renewed its membership in its
Platinum Associate Membership Program.

In addition to program benefits, the marketing plan will partner Aruba with the FCCA in an all-inclusive
sponsorship/advertising/promotion for 2010 building Aruba’s brand and image.

Among the many benefits are:

• Complimentary registration for the FCCA Gala Dinner and Conference & Trade Show.
• A seat on the Platinum Associate Membership Advisory Council.
• Listing/Profile in Membership Directory utilized by all FCCA Member Cruise Lines.
• Access to up-to-date research and statistical studies.
• Use of FCCA logo on printed materials.
 
http://www.aruba.com/news/cruise-news/act-rejoins-fcca-platinum-membership/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 25, 2010, 10:12:56 AM
Natalee Holloway DVD (in Dutch)

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revu.nl%2Ffilmrecensie%2F2010%2F01%2F24%2Fnatalee-holloway-dvd%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 03:01:55 PM
I haven't taken the time to decide what this is all about, or how it matters; but found it interesting.  It was in the Curacao section of today's Amigoe.


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67917.php

No. 32 Miami of trading Antilles

January 25, 2010, 13:13 (GMT -04:00)

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The Caribbean and Central America are major trading partners of Miami. The Dominican Republic and Honduras stand out at site 5 and 6. Aruba shines on 41st place with a total of 289 million U.S. dollars.

PHILIPSBURG - The top 100 countries of Miami commercial floats along, instead of adorning the Netherlands Antilles 32, worth 570 million U.S. dollars. The troubled political relations, the trade apparently not print, Venezuela's number 2 trading partner, behind Brazil.

In Brazil, trade worth 13.2 billion U.S. dollars, 6.4 billion with Venezuela follows. The rest of the top-10 is ordered from Colombia, China, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Costa Rica, Chile, Peru and Argentina. Netherlands follows at number 19 with an amount of 1.5 billion U.S. dollars in import or export.

The figures are published by Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties in Florida. Where in Aruba in 2008 by 3 percent, decreasing in trade with the largest city in Florida knew the Antilles a growth of 20.9 percent over that year compared to 2007.

The commercial shows a growth in Venezuela, worth 1 billion U.S. dollars. 90 percent of the imports of Miami from Venezuela on oil-related products, especially gasoline.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
Now,why would someone fromAruba be interested in Mickey John,and or his statements???

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Keepthefaith ... Great Catch!

If Mickey John's official statement is revealed ... all H--- will break loose.

According to Deepak Kalpoe's own words to Mickey John while their detainment overlapped ... the Holiday Inn account was fabricated prior to Beth and Jug's arrival at the van der Sloots residence at 3:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.  It appears that Deepak and Paulus were both participants in that fabrication at some period of time on Monday immediately following the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..

Deepak holds all the Aces that are preventing the Aruban house of cards from collapsing.  He is in a position to implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

Is assuring the brothers' silence ... the brothers' cooperation ... the reason that the Range Rover recordings exonerated the brothers from implication in the events encompassing Natalee Holloway's demise and disappearance.  In other words ... a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Peter Devries may be a believer in John van der Sloots own words in the Range Rover recording in regards to the non-involvement of the Kalpoes in the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway but ... negating the archives ... changing history ... is not where it is at for me.

Think about it.  There is the gardener's court statement ... there are Steve Cohen's media statements ... there are Dompig's statements in the talkshow circuit ... there are the suspicions by the prosecutors that warranted their arrests and rearrests ... 

Janet

++++++


MICKEY JOHN

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him (Deepak).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


PETER DEVRIES

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all. On the tapes Joran calls them stupid. I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 25, 2010, 09:47:01 PM
A REMINDER


NO ARUBAN JUSTICE BUT A MEASURE OF CLOSURE
 
THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
TLC – 2010-01-17

BETH HOLLOWAY
:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can't.  I can't get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


LOVING NATALEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Page 189
:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 197:  There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee.  When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling:  "The threat is bigger than the money," he says.  The Threat.  That dark influence.  The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.
 
+++++++++
 
1.  In all probability Justice for Natalee Holloway will never be forthcoming but maybe ... just maybe ... the threatened exposure of the Persistence ROV footage along with Kyle Kingman's own words which reveals a John Silvetti betrayal implies that pressure could be put on Aruba/Holland by Beth Holloway and/or the FBI to release the contents of the trap recovered by Aruban divers and ... afford those who love Natalee a measure of closure knowing she is home and is resting on American soil.
 
AN ANGUISHED MOTHER
 
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She  deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
 
AN ANGUISHED STEPFATHER
 
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824
 
 
2.  Natalee Holloway's uncle had concerns regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor when he considered the involvement of the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for his niece since the getgo.
 
SURELY I AM WRONG

"I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong."

IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTIGATING

"But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history."

DEFENDING THE WORK OF THE ARUBANS

"I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.  And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you."

THE GAME WAS FIXED

"If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."

A LARGE CRAB

"They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab."


3.  When Kyle Kingman's own words were revealed ... the concerns of Natalee Holloway's uncle regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor were realized.  On December 30, 2007 only Aruban divers in a visual dive deemed the contents of the trap not case related and  ... on January 7, 2008 only Aruban divers were involved in the recovery process in regards to the contents of the traps.
 
THE VISUAL DIVE - DECEMBER 30, 2007
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.
 
Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive.  What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up
 
Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.
 
Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.
 
Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.
 
Kyle Kingman:  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he (Tim Miller) was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

THE RECOVERY DIVE - JANUARY 7, 2008

Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.


4.  The qualified ROV operator/analyst on board the Persistence determined from his investigation of two separate ROV footages that Natalee Holloway's remains ... in all probability ... were contained within the trap.
 
ROV IMAGES - DECEMBER 29, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment ...

ROV IMAGES - JANUARY 7, 2008
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


5.  If justice for an 18 year old American citizen, closure for her family and accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily supported the Persistence endeavor were John Silvetti's objectives ... he had a moral obligation to ensure that there was an Aruban invitation secured that would have afforded an FBI presence on board the ship.  It makes sense that this invitation should have been secured prior to the Persistence entering Aruban water.

FBI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman:
The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


6.  It does not make sense that collaborating with the Aruban/Dutch enemy who from the getgo ... was a participant working behind the scenes furthering the Aruban cover-up agenda ... the Aruban cover-up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  It is not rocket science   A positive outcome from the Persistence undertaking in regards to justice and closure never stood a chance.
 
DOLF RICHARDSON  

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
   Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.  I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling ....


7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... it Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:
  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

++++++++++

The preceding document was compiled by "Tamikosmom" using posts submitted to the Scared Monkey website by "Private Eye", "Kermit", "Jen" and "oceanexploration"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 25, 2010, 09:57:24 PM
Lies! Lies! Lies!

Reply Quote 
 
449   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -  on: December 10, 2009, 07:22:20 PM 
I do not mind being a lone voice regarding my speculations on a topic but ... being attacked for those speculations when the truth is still elusive is emotionally draining.  I had a reason for keeping on ... but I concede defeat.

I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: ... I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 25, 2010, 10:02:34 PM
 
 I find this relevant because it goes to the increase in crime in the Caribbean at this time in general.  Note the several references in the article about others who have been victims of crime on just these two islands.

So all the crime we keep seeing reported in Aruba appears to be a regional problem now.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 25, 2010
Antigua Cops Scour for Clues in US Woman's Slaying
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:13 p.m. ET

ST. JOHN'S, Antigua (AP) -- Antigua police said Monday that they have a possible suspect in last week's killing of a San Francisco woman during a cruise stopover to celebrate her sister's wedding.

Investigators did not release the name of the ''person of interest,'' only describing him as a tall, slender man with a gold tooth. He was apparently in the area where Nina Nilssen was fatally stabbed after going ashore last Tuesday, police said.

Police described her as 30 years old, but her family said Monday that she was 29.

Nilssen, a graduate student at San Francisco State University, was killed off Pigeon Point Beach, near the affluent boating community of English Harbor that has become a target of the Caribbean island's crime wave.

Her body was found less than a mile (kilometer) from where an Australian yacht captain was slain nearly a year ago. He and his girlfriend were accosted in a dockyard area near English Harbor.

Investigators say Nilssen was attacked after apparently wandering off alone following a beach barbecue with friends and relatives. Antigua's coroner says an autopsy found Nilssen died from a single stab wound to the neck.

Police Cpl. Frankie Thomas said Monday that he could not comment about whether a motive had been identified. ''We are still working on every bit of information that comes about,'' he said.

The twin-island nation of Antigua and Barbuda has been struggling with crime in recent years, including the July 2008 shooting of British honeymooners Catherine and Benjamin Mullany in their cottage at a beachside resort.

Violent crime rarely affects foreigners in the Caribbean, where an estimated 6 million Americans visit annually. But a few high-profile attacks last year sent ripples through the tourism industry, such as the rape and killing in Puerto Rico of pregnant American tourist Sara Kuszak, who was abducted while jogging in February.

------

Associated Press Writer David McFadden in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.



Copyright 2010 The Associated Press
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/25/world/AP-CB-Antigua-American-Killed.html?_r=1


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 25, 2010, 10:06:24 PM
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME FORUM MAINTENANCE TOMORROW NIGHT AT AROUND 10PM CENTRAL TIME.  THE FORUM WILL BE DOWN FOR A BIT AT THAT TIME, SO DON'T THINK IT'S YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DOWNTIME RECENTLY AND OUR TECH GUY IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION.  IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.


DOWNTIME - 15-20 MINUTES OR SO
TUESDAY - 1/26/10

8PM PACIFIC
10PM CENTRAL
11PM EASTERN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 10:09:10 PM
I've been really trying to pinpoint,what it is about Venezuela,that peaks my interest.Aside from the OIL.Who is down there,as well as so interested about ol' Natalee Holloway?

::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
Lies! Lies! Lies!

Reply Quote 
 
449   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -  on: December 10, 2009, 07:22:20 PM 
I do not mind being a lone voice regarding my speculations on a topic but ... being attacked for those speculations when the truth is still elusive is emotionally draining.  I had a reason for keeping on ... but I concede defeat.

I will no longer be posting on the Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway discussion thread.  However ... I will continue to contribute to the topic threads as well as other missing person discussion threads.

Janet

++++++
snip:


::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 10:19:52 PM

 I find this relevant because it goes to the increase in crime in the Caribbean at this time in general.  Note the several references in the article about others who have been victims of crime on just these two islands.

So all the crime we keep seeing reported in Aruba appears to be a regional problem now.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 25, 2010
Antigua Cops Scour for Clues in US Woman's Slaying
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 7:13 p.m. ET

ST. JOHN'S, Antigua (AP) -- Antigua police said Monday that they have a possible suspect in last week's killing of a San Francisco woman during a cruise stopover to celebrate her sister's wedding.

Investigators did not release the name of the ''person of interest,'' only describing him as a tall, slender man with a gold tooth. He was apparently in the area where Nina Nilssen was fatally stabbed after going ashore last Tuesday, police said.

Police described her as 30 years old, but her family said Monday that she was 29.

Nilssen, a graduate student at San Francisco State University, was killed off Pigeon Point Beach, near the affluent boating community of English Harbor that has become a target of the Caribbean island's crime wave.

Her body was found less than a mile (kilometer) from where an Australian yacht captain was slain nearly a year ago. He and his girlfriend were accosted in a dockyard area near English Harbor.

Investigators say Nilssen was attacked after apparently wandering off alone following a beach barbecue with friends and relatives. Antigua's coroner says an autopsy found Nilssen died from a single stab wound to the neck.

Police Cpl. Frankie Thomas said Monday that he could not comment about whether a motive had been identified. ''We are still working on every bit of information that comes about,'' he said.

The twin-island nation of Antigua and Barbuda has been struggling with crime in recent years, including the July 2008 shooting of British honeymooners Catherine and Benjamin Mullany in their cottage at a beachside resort.

Violent crime rarely affects foreigners in the Caribbean, where an estimated 6 million Americans visit annually. But a few high-profile attacks last year sent ripples through the tourism industry, such as the rape and killing in Puerto Rico of pregnant American tourist Sara Kuszak, who was abducted while jogging in February.

------

Associated Press Writer David McFadden in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.



Copyright 2010 The Associated Press
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/25/world/AP-CB-Antigua-American-Killed.html?_r=1


 

Thanks Anna!  I hadn't read about that case, and you made a good point.

I think there's a lot that happens in Aruba that we don't get a chance to read about.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 10:22:10 PM
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME FORUM MAINTENANCE TOMORROW NIGHT AT AROUND 10PM CENTRAL TIME.  THE FORUM WILL BE DOWN FOR A BIT AT THAT TIME, SO DON'T THINK IT'S YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DOWNTIME RECENTLY AND OUR TECH GUY IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION.  IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.


DOWNTIME - 15-20 MINUTES OR SO
TUESDAY - 1/26/10

8PM PACIFIC
10PM CENTRAL
11PM EASTERN


Thanks for letting us know Klaas!  I'm glad they are going to try to find a solution, it is very frustrating.  I was shut out for at least 20 minutes earlier this evening.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 25, 2010, 10:27:22 PM
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME FORUM MAINTENANCE TOMORROW NIGHT AT AROUND 10PM CENTRAL TIME.  THE FORUM WILL BE DOWN FOR A BIT AT THAT TIME, SO DON'T THINK IT'S YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DOWNTIME RECENTLY AND OUR TECH GUY IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION.  IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.


DOWNTIME - 15-20 MINUTES OR SO
TUESDAY - 1/26/10

8PM PACIFIC
10PM CENTRAL
11PM EASTERN


Thanks for letting us know Klaas!  I'm glad they are going to try to find a solution, it is very frustrating.  I was shut out for at least 20 minutes earlier this evening.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Sometimes my computer says that Scared Monkeys is running a firewall that is keeping me from entering
the site....in case that might help with a solution.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
 ::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on January 25, 2010, 10:45:22 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/tirefire.gif)

The tire fire in Aruba.

A few years ago we had a tire fire here in VA. An old farmer had a hollow on his farm he wanted to fill up. He let people dump tires there, including businesses. Then some idiot set them on fire. It was an environmental disaster. There was no way they could put the fire out, they had to let it burn it self out. It took 3 years, but thank goodness the farm was up in the mountains. I can only imangine what the smoke is like there.





















Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 10:47:09 PM
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME FORUM MAINTENANCE TOMORROW NIGHT AT AROUND 10PM CENTRAL TIME.  THE FORUM WILL BE DOWN FOR A BIT AT THAT TIME, SO DON'T THINK IT'S YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DOWNTIME RECENTLY AND OUR TECH GUY IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION.  IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.


DOWNTIME - 15-20 MINUTES OR SO
TUESDAY - 1/26/10

8PM PACIFIC
10PM CENTRAL
11PM EASTERN


Thanks for letting us know Klaas!  I'm glad they are going to try to find a solution, it is very frustrating.  I was shut out for at least 20 minutes earlier this evening.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Sometimes my computer says that Scared Monkeys is running a firewall that is keeping me from entering
the site....in case that might help with a solution.

I haven't seen that one yet...mine usually says it's either temporarily down...or may have MOVED... ::MonkeyShocked::  That one always gives me a sinking feeling, can't help it! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 10:48:29 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/tirefire.gif)

The tire fire in Aruba.

A few years ago we had a tire fire here in VA. An old farmer had a hollow on his farm he wanted to fill up. He let people dump tires there, including businesses. Then some idiot set them on fire. It was an environmental disaster. There was no way they could put the fire out, they had to let it burn it self out. It took 3 years, but thank goodness the farm was up in the mountains. I can only imangine what the smoke is like there.

I bet the smell is something the tourists will remember for a long, long time too.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 10:50:19 PM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 10:52:07 PM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::

Very interesting KTF..Keep digging!Justice is where it's at! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 25, 2010, 10:59:59 PM
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME FORUM MAINTENANCE TOMORROW NIGHT AT AROUND 10PM CENTRAL TIME.  THE FORUM WILL BE DOWN FOR A BIT AT THAT TIME, SO DON'T THINK IT'S YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DOWNTIME RECENTLY AND OUR TECH GUY IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION.  IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.


DOWNTIME - 15-20 MINUTES OR SO
TUESDAY - 1/26/10

8PM PACIFIC
10PM CENTRAL
11PM EASTERN


Thanks for letting us know Klaas!  I'm glad they are going to try to find a solution, it is very frustrating.  I was shut out for at least 20 minutes earlier this evening.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Sometimes my computer says that Scared Monkeys is running a firewall that is keeping me from entering
the site....in case that might help with a solution.

I haven't seen that one yet...mine usually says it's either temporarily down...or may have MOVED... ::MonkeyShocked::  That one always gives me a sinking feeling, can't help it! ::MonkeyDevil::


I know...it is scary to think the Monkeys have moved and forgotten to tell us the new address. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I always get the firewall one.  I always call it the  "Magnolia Firewall"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 25, 2010, 11:14:36 PM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::

We've had members who were in the Phillipines, and I would think that Horizon could have projects near there....When you do a Google or whatever search, Scared Monkeys is likely to show up....now and then...and AGAIN.   

I find things that are interesting, but don't always read too much into them.  jmho

Keepthefaith, though....that's why we're here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
Sending blessings out to HotPing,BlueMoon,LifeSong,Robots,BillB...

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 11:21:45 PM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::

We've had members who were in the Phillipines, and I would think that Horizon could have projects near there....When you do a Google or whatever search, Scared Monkeys is likely to show up....now and then...and AGAIN.   

I find things that are interesting, but don't always read too much into them.  jmho

Keepthefaith, though....that's why we're here.
You could very well be right 2nj.I do find it a bit more interesting that they were searching a particular person,who is,and or was a VP@ Caldive,which bought Horizon in December of 2007...Just digging,that's all! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
This probably doesn't mean anything in the big picture, just peaked my interest...

I posted an article earlier about Camp Alegre in Curacao, and there was some discussion about it.

I found this old article from March of last year about Aruba possibly getting their own Camp Alegre and that an ex-minister was involved in this.  The article was before the election in September.  I think it would be interesting to know who that ex minister is....  JMO

If you don't recall my prior post about it, it's here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1046163;topicseen#msg1046163

This is the article I just came across this evening.

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=186:campo-alegre-ta-ana-caminda-pa-aruba&catid=3:local&Itemid=2

Campo Alegre ta na caminda pa Aruba y tin un ex-minister cu ta socio         

THURSDAY, 19 MARCH 2009 23:41

ORANJESTAD-Informacion extra oficial cu E informante a logra haya, ta indica cu pronto nos lo tin un Campo Alegre version Aruba na cas. E lo tin mes un doñonan di esun existente na Curacao.
 

E parti mas interesante den e caso aki ta indica, cu tin un ex-minister asocia cu e negoshi aki, y cu tur permiso lo ta cla pa nan start sali. Localidad no a wordo divulga ainda.

Tambe e otro pecupacion ta , con lo para cu e barnan na San Nicolas, paso mirando e estilo di Campo Alegre na Curacao, e lo mata e negoshinan aki sigur.

Den transcurso di otro siman nos lo bin cu mas informacion di e negoshi interesante aki cu ta un exito sigur na Curacao, pero no por bisa si e ta bon bini na Aruba.

Papiamentu translation:

campo cheerful is at caminda for aruba y have one ex-minister cu is socio

thursday, 19 march 2009 23:41

oranjestad-informacion extra oficial cu the informante owing to succeed achieve, is indica cu soon we will have one campo cheerful version aruba at home. the will have self one doñonan of esun existente at curacao. the part more interesting in the caso here is indica, cu have one ex-minister asocia cu the business here, y cu all permission will is cla for they start leave. localidad not owing to wordo divulga still. also the another pecupacion is come across, con will stop cu the barnan at san nicolas, pace mirando the style of campo cheerful at curacao, the will kill the negoshinan here assure. in transcurso of another week we will come cu  more informacion of the business interesting here cu is one exito assure at curacao, but not can tell if the is welcome at aruba.

Spanish translation:

cheerful field is at hanging around for aruba and ex-minister have one partner is cu

thursday, 19 march 2009 23:41

oranjestad-cu unofficial information the informant Owing to succeed achieve, is indicated cu soon we will have one field at aruba cheerful version home. the self will have one Donon of existing isa at curacao. The more interesting part here is in the case indicates, cu have one ex-minister cu the business associates here, and permission will cu all is cla for start they leave. Owing to word location not disclosed still. also the another pecupacion is come across, with will stop at the barn cu san nicolas, pace the style of field looking cheerful at curacao, the will kill the negoshinan assure here. in course of another week we will come cu more information of the business interesting here is one cu assure success at curacao, but not tell if the dog is welcome at aruba.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The "Foxy Lady" opened soon after this...is there a connection?  Remember that's the club that Alex Mathew opened, with Nel Oduber cutting the ribbon.  That was shocking to me to say the least.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4783.msg749073#msg749073



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
TM said "Peaks my interest"  ::MonkeyDance::

Camp Alegre is for SICK people! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 11:33:50 PM
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOME FORUM MAINTENANCE TOMORROW NIGHT AT AROUND 10PM CENTRAL TIME.  THE FORUM WILL BE DOWN FOR A BIT AT THAT TIME, SO DON'T THINK IT'S YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DOWNTIME RECENTLY AND OUR TECH GUY IS WORKING ON A SOLUTION.  IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.


DOWNTIME - 15-20 MINUTES OR SO
TUESDAY - 1/26/10

8PM PACIFIC
10PM CENTRAL
11PM EASTERN


Thanks for letting us know Klaas!  I'm glad they are going to try to find a solution, it is very frustrating.  I was shut out for at least 20 minutes earlier this evening.

 ::MonkeyCool::



Sometimes my computer says that Scared Monkeys is running a firewall that is keeping me from entering
the site....in case that might help with a solution.

I haven't seen that one yet...mine usually says it's either temporarily down...or may have MOVED... ::MonkeyShocked::  That one always gives me a sinking feeling, can't help it! ::MonkeyDevil::

I know...it is scary to think the Monkeys have moved and forgotten to tell us the new address. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always get the firewall one.  I always call it the  "Magnolia Firewall"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 25, 2010, 11:39:12 PM
TM said "Peaks my interest"  ::MonkeyDance::

Camp Alegre is for SICK people! ::MonkeyMad::

Well if they are connected, what ex-minister made it happen for the presumed persona non grata Alex Mathew?   I think that answer could be very interesting as to what else they've involved themselves in...

And, there seems to be an overabundance of those "sick" people on that rock called Aruba! 

JMO

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 25, 2010, 11:41:28 PM
TM said "Peaks my interest"  ::MonkeyDance::

Camp Alegre is for SICK people! ::MonkeyMad::

Well if they are connected, what ex-minister made it happen for the presumed persona non grata Alex Mathew?   I think that answer could be very interesting as to what else they've involved themselves in...

And, there seems to be an overabundance of those "sick" people on that rock called Aruba! 

JMO

 ::MonkeyCool::

Did Paulus set up the company???? ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 25, 2010, 11:51:59 PM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::

We've had members who were in the Phillipines, and I would think that Horizon could have projects near there....When you do a Google or whatever search, Scared Monkeys is likely to show up....now and then...and AGAIN.   

I find things that are interesting, but don't always read too much into them.  jmho

Keepthefaith, though....that's why we're here.
You could very well be right 2nj.I do find it a bit more interesting that they were searching a particular person,who is,and or was a VP@ Caldive,which bought Horizon in December of 2007...Just digging,that's all! ::MonkeyCool::

Document your findings and your digging will be understood and much appreciated.  I was just going on what you posted and my personal knowledge of past members from that area.  You gave no link and just now added the search info.....you know the drill.

I'm soon to sign out....just stating what I'm seeing at this time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 26, 2010, 12:02:07 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Keep the lights on.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2010, 12:07:38 AM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::

We've had members who were in the Phillipines, and I would think that Horizon could have projects near there....When you do a Google or whatever search, Scared Monkeys is likely to show up....now and then...and AGAIN.   

I find things that are interesting, but don't always read too much into them.  jmho

Keepthefaith, though....that's why we're here.
You could very well be right 2nj.I do find it a bit more interesting that they were searching a particular person,who is,and or was a VP@ Caldive,which bought Horizon in December of 2007...Just digging,that's all! ::MonkeyCool::

Document your findings and your digging will be understood and much appreciated.  I was just going on what you posted and my personal knowledge of past members from that area.  You gave no link and just now added the search info.....you know the drill.

I'm soon to sign out....just stating what I'm seeing at this time.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2010, 12:09:41 AM
Mr. Boyle joined Cal Dive International, Inc. as Vice President of International Accounting and Supply Chain Management, with the acquisition of Horizon Offshore Inc, in December 2007. Prior to that Mr. Boyle served in various senior management positions, overseas and domestic, with companies in the oil and gas and related service industries including Prime Energy Offshore Inc. (formerly FW Oil), Odyssea Marine Inc., Mc Dermott International Inc., Offshore Pipelines Inc, Professional Geophysics, Inc (formerly Seis Pros Inc), Fairfield Industries and Geosource Inc. Mr. Boyle studied accountancy at Ealing Polytechnic and The College of West London in England and successfully completed the examinations, level 1 through 3, of The Association of Certified and Corporate Accountants of England and Wales (A.C.C.A.).

http://www.caldive.com/Home/BoardofDirectiors/CharlieBoyle/tabid/130/Default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Keep the lights on.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
Was in the process of digging 2nj..Hope this helps clarify! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2010, 12:13:11 AM
Good night!   ::MonkeyAngel::




 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 26, 2010, 12:13:47 AM
Good night!   ::MonkeyAngel::




 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2010, 12:16:06 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 26, 2010, 12:59:02 AM
Remember poster Friend of Monkeys?  She was a personal friend of Mickey Johns.  I always got a kick out of her posts.  She did ask him a few questions for us from time to time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 26, 2010, 01:12:30 AM
Sending blessings out to HotPing,BlueMoon,LifeSong,Robots,BillB...

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY



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Back at you Keepthefaith.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 26, 2010, 01:14:39 AM
Now,why would someone fromAruba be interested in Mickey John,and or his statements???

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Keepthefaith ... Great Catch!

If Mickey John's official statement is revealed ... all H--- will break loose.

According to Deepak Kalpoe's own words to Mickey John while their detainment overlapped ... the Holiday Inn account was fabricated prior to Beth and Jug's arrival at the van der Sloots residence at 3:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.  It appears that Deepak and Paulus were both participants in that fabrication at some period of time on Monday immediately following the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway..

Deepak holds all the Aces that are preventing the Aruban house of cards from collapsing.  He is in a position to implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

Is assuring the brothers' silence ... the brothers' cooperation ... the reason that the Range Rover recordings exonerated the brothers from implication in the events encompassing Natalee Holloway's demise and disappearance.  In other words ... a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Peter Devries may be a believer in John van der Sloots own words in the Range Rover recording in regards to the non-involvement of the Kalpoes in the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway but ... negating the archives ... changing history ... is not where it is at for me.

Think about it.  There is the gardener's court statement ... there are Steve Cohen's media statements ... there are Dompig's statements in the talkshow circuit ... there are the suspicions by the prosecutors that warranted their arrests and rearrests ... 

Janet

++++++


MICKEY JOHN

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him (Deepak).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


PETER DEVRIES

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all. On the tapes Joran calls them stupid. I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3

Nice to see you Janet.....
Tic Toc......Justice is coming..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 26, 2010, 01:19:17 AM
A REMINDER


NO ARUBAN JUSTICE BUT A MEASURE OF CLOSURE
 
THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
TLC – 2010-01-17

BETH HOLLOWAY
:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can't.  I can't get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293


LOVING NATALEE - BETH HOLLOWAY

Page 189
:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 197:  There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee.  When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling:  "The threat is bigger than the money," he says.  The Threat.  That dark influence.  The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.
 
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1.  In all probability Justice for Natalee Holloway will never be forthcoming but maybe ... just maybe ... the threatened exposure of the Persistence ROV footage along with Kyle Kingman's own words which reveals a John Silvetti betrayal implies that pressure could be put on Aruba/Holland by Beth Holloway and/or the FBI to release the contents of the trap recovered by Aruban divers and ... afford those who love Natalee a measure of closure knowing she is home and is resting on American soil.
 
AN ANGUISHED MOTHER
 
"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee.  Natalee deserves to return to her country.  She  deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person.  Every single person knows that.  They know it."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/
 
AN ANGUISHED STEPFATHER
 
"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824
 
 
2.  Natalee Holloway's uncle had concerns regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor when he considered the involvement of the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for his niece since the getgo.
 
SURELY I AM WRONG

"I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong."

IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTIGATING

"But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history."

DEFENDING THE WORK OF THE ARUBANS

"I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.  And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you."

THE GAME WAS FIXED

"If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."

A LARGE CRAB

"They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab."


3.  When Kyle Kingman's own words were revealed ... the concerns of Natalee Holloway's uncle regarding the outcome of the Persistence endeavor were realized.  On December 30, 2007 only Aruban divers in a visual dive deemed the contents of the trap not case related and  ... on January 7, 2008 only Aruban divers were involved in the recovery process in regards to the contents of the traps.
 
THE VISUAL DIVE - DECEMBER 30, 2007
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.  He couldn't tell by his own admission.
 
Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive.  What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility. The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up
 
Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.
 
Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.
 
Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.
 
Kyle Kingman:  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he (Tim Miller) was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

THE RECOVERY DIVE - JANUARY 7, 2008

Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.


4.  The qualified ROV operator/analyst on board the Persistence determined from his investigation of two separate ROV footages that Natalee Holloway's remains ... in all probability ... were contained within the trap.
 
ROV IMAGES - DECEMBER 29, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
   I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment ...

ROV IMAGES - JANUARY 7, 2008
 
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


5.  If justice for an 18 year old American citizen, closure for her family and accountability to those who prayfully and monetarily supported the Persistence endeavor were John Silvetti's objectives ... he had a moral obligation to ensure that there was an Aruban invitation secured that would have afforded an FBI presence on board the ship.  It makes sense that this invitation should have been secured prior to the Persistence entering Aruban water.

FBI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words
 
Kyle Kingman:
The FBI told me they could not send a representative down to us in Aruba unless they were specifically invited to do so by the Aruban authorities. They were simply uninvited.

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.


6.  It does not make sense that collaborating with the Aruban/Dutch enemy who from the getgo ... was a participant working behind the scenes furthering the Aruban cover-up agenda ... the Aruban cover-up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  It is not rocket science   A positive outcome from the Persistence undertaking in regards to justice and closure never stood a chance.
 
DOLF RICHARDSON  

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
   Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: Mr. Red shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both

Kyle Kingman:   The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.  I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities.

Kyle Kingman:  Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle Kingman:  Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat.

Kyle Kingman: I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling ....


7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... it Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:
  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

++++++++++

The preceding document was compiled by "Tamikosmom" using posts submitted to the Scared Monkey website by "Private Eye", "Kermit", "Jen" and "oceanexploration"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... it Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?
Thanks for posting this Janet....
I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......
payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Anna on January 26, 2010, 01:23:18 AM
I must be on the wrong thread again.

Good night, all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 26, 2010, 06:46:53 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 26, 2010, 10:48:02 AM
Ah.  Waldron and Pesquera together again?  You scratch my back, and..........


ACT REJOINS FCCA PLATINUM MEMBERSHIP
 Cruise News     January 21st, 2010
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Following a positive meeting with the Florida - Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA) in December in Miami,
the new Director of Aruba Cruise Tourism, Ms. Tamara Waldron, has renewed its membership in its
Platinum Associate Membership Program.

In addition to program benefits, the marketing plan will partner Aruba with the FCCA in an all-inclusive
sponsorship/advertising/promotion for 2010 building Aruba’s brand and image.

Among the many benefits are:

• Complimentary registration for the FCCA Gala Dinner and Conference & Trade Show.
• A seat on the Platinum Associate Membership Advisory Council.
• Listing/Profile in Membership Directory utilized by all FCCA Member Cruise Lines.
• Access to up-to-date research and statistical studies.
• Use of FCCA logo on printed materials.
 
http://www.aruba.com/news/cruise-news/act-rejoins-fcca-platinum-membership/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 26, 2010, 10:58:46 AM
Mr. Boyle joined Cal Dive International, Inc. as Vice President of International Accounting and Supply Chain Management, with the acquisition of Horizon Offshore Inc, in December 2007. Prior to that Mr. Boyle served in various senior management positions, overseas and domestic, with companies in the oil and gas and related service industries including Prime Energy Offshore Inc. (formerly FW Oil), Odyssea Marine Inc., Mc Dermott International Inc., Offshore Pipelines Inc, Professional Geophysics, Inc (formerly Seis Pros Inc), Fairfield Industries and Geosource Inc. Mr. Boyle studied accountancy at Ealing Polytechnic and The College of West London in England and successfully completed the examinations, level 1 through 3, of The Association of Certified and Corporate Accountants of England and Wales (A.C.C.A.).

http://www.caldive.com/Home/BoardofDirectiors/CharlieBoyle/tabid/130/Default.aspx

Dunno if any of this factors in or not - but I recently became aware of a mass lay-off CalDive just had.  So someone may have been checking references?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 26, 2010, 11:01:24 AM
Beth Holloway:  "You know there was a cover up.  You know it."

Jorge Pesquera:  "Yes.  Yes there was."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
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On October 22 Carnival will be back after more than four years to build this ship Miracle. On March 31 next year is the last call of the cruise boat that can accommodate 2124 passengers and 934 crew has.


ORANGE CITY - Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) of Tourism, Labor and Transportation would work with the Antillean Minister David Dick (PAR) of Tourism for more Carnival Cruises to sail to the islands.

Oduber was last week for a working visit to Curaçao, along with Alfonso Boekhoudt, director of Aruba Ports Authority (APA). As she spoke with Dick and Agustin Diaz, director of the Curacao Ports Authority (CPA). The meeting was initiated by the Aruban Minister and several matters were raised. The main topic of conversation, however, was the return of Carnival Cruise Lines to Aruba and Curacao. The American cruise company announced earlier this month that its ship Carnival Miracle in the period from October 2010 to March 2011 eleven will moor on the two islands. Initially, the ship moored sixteen times, was known as Deep South delegation, comprising representatives of Aruba and Curacao port authorities, in July last year to hear. This number was finally possible for logistical reasons. Aruba Ports Authority is currently in negotiations with Carnival to Aruba almost the whole year into the itinerary of the cruise ship Carnival Miracle, a so-called "year-round calls' appointment. This would be an additional supply of 120 to 140 duizend cruise tourists to the island can do. Carnival Cruise Lines has so far not expressed negative about the possibility of 'year round calls "to Aruba and Curacao.

Carnival decided to Aruba in May 2006 from the travel program to remove due to high fuel costs. The ABC Islands are the southernmost islands of the cruise calling. Moreover, the company after five years the route refresh. Although the cruise in the world again because of high fuel prices are not going well, says Carnival yet again the deep south of the Caribbean would inflict. Even despite the economic crisis.

The company has already removed its cruises to Europe and wants all 22 ships in the Caribbean deployment. The eight-day itinerary of the luxury cruise ship Carnival Miracle begins and ends in Ford Lauderdale and goes to Gran Turk, Dominican Republic (La Romana), Aruba and Curacao.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 26, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67967.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Pedophile caught in Savaneta

January 26, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Agents of the bureau in San Nicolas had to tear out the last Sunday of Savaneta water tank, where a man with not very fresh intentions would have brought a young girl. On arrival officers found the 51-year-old policeman MGC to, and knocked in drunken state, accompanied by a young girl. The child gave a lift from the man she knew not to do so. Once they got in the car C. told her that he would be taking to the water tank to have sex. However, the car came up in a red and ended up hitting the man seriously injured enough to go straight to the police to be charged.

As for the girl, the Youth and Vice enabled. When later, however, that they could not do much with her was MGC been released.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on January 26, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67967.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Pedophile caught in Savaneta

January 26, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Agents of the bureau in San Nicolas had to tear out the last Sunday of Savaneta water tank, where a man with not very fresh intentions would have brought a young girl. On arrival officers found the 51-year-old policeman MGC to, and knocked in drunken state, accompanied by a young girl. The child gave a lift from the man she knew not to do so. Once they got in the car C. told her that he would be taking to the water tank to have sex. However, the car came up in a red and ended up hitting the man seriously injured enough to go straight to the police to be charged.

As for the girl, the Youth and Vice enabled. When later, however, that they could not do much with her was MGC been released.


Of course they had to let the policeman go.  The girl got in his car....what could he possibly do about it....I'm sure she was a "goody two shoes" and just a "slut".  Too bad the hanging group doesn't put the hand in the pocket for this sort of thing....maybe both hands.  Might clean up the rotten island.  Sheesh


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 26, 2010, 06:23:04 PM
http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2010/01/26/another-tourist-murdered-in-antigua.htm

Another Tourist Murdered in Antigua
Tuesday January 26, 2010
A 29-year-old cruise-ship passenger has been found murdered near one of Antigua's most popular beaches, the third high profile tourist slaying in Antigua in the past two years.

more at link

Another example of a tropical paradise that isn't afraid to tell the truth!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 26, 2010, 06:38:48 PM

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Thanks for posting this Janet....

I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....


Hi billb

You could be right but ... I did not find any indication of a payoff in my reading of Kyle Kingman’s Own Words.  On the other hand ... there are indications that Kyle feared a lawsuit being filed in regards to the breaking of a confidentiality agreement and … this young man does imply that future career opportunities were at risk.

Unless otherwise indicated … I will continue to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that his motivation to backtrack was damage control in regards to the grim reality concerning the financial security of his family.  Was Kyle right?  No way!  His flip flopping in his original determination to expose what troubled him in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence … happenings encompassing the trap … was an ultimate betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all is said and done … while not condoning ...  I can … to some degree … understand Kyle’s motivation but … it is always right to do right and … let the outcome play out.  Maybe ... it is not too late.

Janet

++++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM
»

Kyle sent me this today.

Kermit,

… The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee …

Sincerely,

Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on January 26, 2010, 06:52:42 PM
It seems to me Kyle Kingman must pay a dollar every time his name appears in print.  Maybe two dollars when it appears here at SM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 26, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
It seems to me Kyle Kingman must pay a dollar every time his name appears in print.  Maybe two dollars when it appears here at SM.

A quick and unofficial count, on this page only = 68


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 26, 2010, 10:37:30 PM
It seems to me Kyle Kingman must pay a dollar every time his name appears in print.  Maybe two dollars when it appears here at SM.

A quick and unofficial count, on this page only = 68


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 27, 2010, 01:23:27 AM
Wow!  It is nice to be home. ::MonkeyDance::

It seems to be much faster getting here.  Thanks to all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
Wow!  It is nice to be home. ::MonkeyDance::

It seems to be much faster getting here.  Thanks to all!

 ::MonkeyDance::  Yes, it was much faster! 

Thanks to all who worked on the problem!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 02:30:05 AM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 02:32:27 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 27, 2010, 02:34:09 AM

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Thanks for posting this Janet....

I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....


Hi billb

You could be right but ... I did not find any indication of a payoff in my reading of Kyle Kingman’s Own Words.  On the other hand ... there are indications that Kyle feared a lawsuit being filed in regards to the breaking of a confidentiality agreement and … this young man does imply that future career opportunities were at risk.

Unless otherwise indicated … I will continue to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that his motivation to backtrack was damage control in regards to the grim reality concerning the financial security of his family.  Was Kyle right?  No way!  His flip flopping in his original determination to expose what troubled him in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence … happenings encompassing the trap … was an ultimate betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all is said and done … while not condoning ...  I can … to some degree … understand Kyle’s motivation but … it is always right to do right and … let the outcome play out.  Maybe ... it is not too late.

Janet

++++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM
»

Kyle sent me this today.

Kermit,

… The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee …

Sincerely,

Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191



What is the definition of RESPONSIBLITY?

1. Kyle made the choice to join Freebirds.
2. Kyle made the choice to divulge information FIRST with no one knowing
   anything about his so-called confidentiality agreement with John Silvetti. Either he is just a born blabber-mouth or his conscious is bothering him. Afterall, he is the one that went to New York to try to sell the ROV images of a dead body inside the cage that is believed to be Natalee Holloway
and left out a visit or phone call informing the family of his intentions. Oh golly gee whlikers.

3. No confidentiality agreement contains the clause to cover-up crimes.


AND looky here, Kyle seems to have found work and lots of it.

 


KINGMAN GEOPHYSICAL SOLUTIONS BLOG:

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2009
Current Project: Search for Admiral Yi's Turtle Ships
Geophysical team leader for Aqua Survey, Inc. and Korea's Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation sponsored search for Admiral Yi's famous Turtle ships.
In the 1590s, one of the greatest battles in naval history was fought near the southern tip of Korea by one of the most brilliant naval strategists to have ever lived. Today, not many people outside of Korea know of Admiral Yi Sun-sin and his ingenious Turtle ships, but to Koreans they are the stuff of legend. Aqua Survey Inc. were contacted by the Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation of South Korea and given the great honor of a very special mission: to locate and raise one of Admiral Yi's famous Turtle Ships. ASI's recently developed electromagnetic metal detection system will play a pivotal role in our success. To learn more, go to: http://www.aquasurvey.com/
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2009
Atlantic City Wind Farm
Field project manager; geophysical survey for a proposed wind farm offshore Atlantic City, NJ.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 8:25 PM 0 comments 
Labels: Atlantic City wind farm


TUESDAY, JULY 28, 2009
Skagerrak 1, 2, &3 HVDC Cable Inspection and Survey
Party Chief on board the Vos Satisfaction for Deep Ocean- Skagerrak 1, 2, and 3 HVDC cable route survey and cable inspections. Supporter-4 working class ROV fitted with: Reson 8125 dual head multibeam sonar, side scan sonar, Innovatum MaxTrak 4-sensor cable tracker, transverse gradiometric EM array, and a 3-camera video array. Survey and inspect 3 HVDC cables crossing the North Sea totaling about 360 kilometers.


THURSDAY, JULY 2, 2009
Skaggerak-4 Deep Ocean HVDC Cable Route Survey
Party Chief for Deep Ocean Skaggerak-4 HVDC cable route survey, North Sea; Denmark to Norway on board the VOS Satisfaction. Approximately 1,230 survey line kilometers.
Vos Satisfaction
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 12:35 PM 0 comments 
Labels: HVDC Cable, North Sea, Skaggerak 4, Statnett
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 27, 2010, 02:40:54 AM
::HelloKitty::  ::MonkeyShovel::

Hey KTF..Now,why would someone from the Phillipines be interested in someone from Horizon offshore??? ::MonkeyShovel::

We've had members who were in the Phillipines, and I would think that Horizon could have projects near there....When you do a Google or whatever search, Scared Monkeys is likely to show up....now and then...and AGAIN.   

I find things that are interesting, but don't always read too much into them.  jmho

Keepthefaith, though....that's why we're here.
You could very well be right 2nj.I do find it a bit more interesting that they were searching a particular person,who is,and or was a VP@ Caldive,which bought Horizon in December of 2007...Just digging,that's all! ::MonkeyCool::

Document your findings and your digging will be understood and much appreciated.  I was just going on what you posted and my personal knowledge of past members from that area.  You gave no link and just now added the search info.....you know the drill.

I'm soon to sign out....just stating what I'm seeing at this time.
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Sorry!Was just looking at things!

Maybe he is looking for a job.  ::rhino::



Mr. Boyle joined Cal Dive International, Inc. as Vice President of International Accounting and Supply Chain Management, with the acquisition of Horizon Offshore Inc, in December 2007. Prior to that Mr. Boyle served in various senior management positions, overseas and domestic, with companies in the oil and gas and related service industries including Prime Energy Offshore Inc. (formerly FW Oil), Odyssea Marine Inc., Mc Dermott International Inc., Offshore Pipelines Inc, Professional Geophysics, Inc (formerly Seis Pros Inc), Fairfield Industries and Geosource Inc. Mr. Boyle studied accountancy at Ealing Polytechnic and The College of West London in England and successfully completed the examinations, level 1 through 3, of The Association of Certified and Corporate Accountants of England and Wales (A.C.C.A.).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 27, 2010, 02:43:55 AM

Domain Name   setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address   199.0.83.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
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HELLO CAPSLOCKWIZARD aka rv
 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 27, 2010, 02:48:31 AM
Looking back in the vault:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2989.msg396057#msg396057
Looks like OxBlood got banned from the aruban forum lol
Here is some info on C&C/Senor Frogs

Carlos and Charlies closed in January. Next door and upstairs (on the left) is now Senor Frogs http://www.senorfrogs.com/ which is owned by the same parent company as C&C. Most of the same people that worked at C&C now work at SF. Another place for music & dancing is Mambo Jambo's at Royal Plaza Mall (next to the bus station). You can see their music schedule on http://www.mambojamboaruba.com/index_flash.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375297#msg375297

Auba party pics  
http://www.coolaruba.com/com

also older pics !
this is the new bar Señor Frogs was C&C
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/hola_senor_frog__201_.jpg?t=1208637541)

the owner:
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/hola_senor_frog__160_.jpg?t=1208637599)

Same game different name.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369558#msg369558
(And the quote stack on this one is huge, so I won't bring it here. 

Thanks MuffyBee!   ::CowboySmiley::

That is that talk of the town guy. He's into a lot of modeling stuff which I believe might be a front for illegal activities.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Kermit on January 27, 2010, 02:50:17 AM
BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY WISHES TO SAN AND 2NJSON'S_MOM

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 03:41:36 AM
1/26/2010 Aruba Today Front Page

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2015%20012010/01262010_ArubaTodayFrontPage.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 03:42:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/ChurchLady2Rjpg.jpg)


::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 27, 2010, 09:57:43 AM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

texasmom - I am posting to express once again my support for Natalee and her family.  I don't do it often enough.
May justice find a way! ::MonkeyJustice::

texasmom - your para. 1.  I wouldn't be the least surprised that someone
is attempting to write a book.  I've often wondered...
Are you guessing?  Can you say more?   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 27, 2010, 11:41:02 AM

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Thanks for posting this Janet....

I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....


Hi billb

You could be right but ... I did not find any indication of a payoff in my reading of Kyle Kingman’s Own Words.  On the other hand ... there are indications that Kyle feared a lawsuit being filed in regards to the breaking of a confidentiality agreement and … this young man does imply that future career opportunities were at risk.

Unless otherwise indicated … I will continue to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that his motivation to backtrack was damage control in regards to the grim reality concerning the financial security of his family.  Was Kyle right?  No way!  His flip flopping in his original determination to expose what troubled him in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence … happenings encompassing the trap … was an ultimate betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all is said and done … while not condoning ...  I can … to some degree … understand Kyle’s motivation but … it is always right to do right and … let the outcome play out.  Maybe ... it is not too late.

Janet

++++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM
»

Kyle sent me this today.

Kermit,

… The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee …

Sincerely,

Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191



What is the definition of RESPONSIBLITY?

1. Kyle made the choice to join Freebirds.
2. Kyle made the choice to divulge information FIRST with no one knowing
   anything about his so-called confidentiality agreement with John Silvetti. Either he is just a born blabber-mouth or his conscious is bothering him. Afterall, he is the one that went to New York to try to sell the ROV images of a dead body inside the cage that is believed to be Natalee Holloway
and left out a visit or phone call informing the family of his intentions. Oh golly gee whlikers.

3. No confidentiality agreement contains the clause to cover-up crimes.


AND looky here, Kyle seems to have found work and lots of it.

 


KINGMAN GEOPHYSICAL SOLUTIONS BLOG:

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2009
Current Project: Search for Admiral Yi's Turtle Ships
Geophysical team leader for Aqua Survey, Inc. and Korea's Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation sponsored search for Admiral Yi's famous Turtle ships.
In the 1590s, one of the greatest battles in naval history was fought near the southern tip of Korea by one of the most brilliant naval strategists to have ever lived. Today, not many people outside of Korea know of Admiral Yi Sun-sin and his ingenious Turtle ships, but to Koreans they are the stuff of legend. Aqua Survey Inc. were contacted by the Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation of South Korea and given the great honor of a very special mission: to locate and raise one of Admiral Yi's famous Turtle Ships. ASI's recently developed electromagnetic metal detection system will play a pivotal role in our success. To learn more, go to: http://www.aquasurvey.com/
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2009
Atlantic City Wind Farm
Field project manager; geophysical survey for a proposed wind farm offshore Atlantic City, NJ.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 8:25 PM 0 comments 
Labels: Atlantic City wind farm


TUESDAY, JULY 28, 2009
Skagerrak 1, 2, &3 HVDC Cable Inspection and Survey
Party Chief on board the Vos Satisfaction for Deep Ocean- Skagerrak 1, 2, and 3 HVDC cable route survey and cable inspections. Supporter-4 working class ROV fitted with: Reson 8125 dual head multibeam sonar, side scan sonar, Innovatum MaxTrak 4-sensor cable tracker, transverse gradiometric EM array, and a 3-camera video array. Survey and inspect 3 HVDC cables crossing the North Sea totaling about 360 kilometers.


THURSDAY, JULY 2, 2009
Skaggerak-4 Deep Ocean HVDC Cable Route Survey
Party Chief for Deep Ocean Skaggerak-4 HVDC cable route survey, North Sea; Denmark to Norway on board the VOS Satisfaction. Approximately 1,230 survey line kilometers.
Vos Satisfaction
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 12:35 PM 0 comments 
Labels: HVDC Cable, North Sea, Skaggerak 4, Statnett
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com




billb...snip

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....

 

Kermit...snip

AND looky here, Kyle seems to have found work and lots of it.

 

That has been my belief...that kyle received work to remain silent and deny Natalee and her family Justice...

mhoo....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 27, 2010, 02:36:01 PM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.



Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

Thanks for that post TM and it is so true.

Those writing the book have no interest in finding Natalee or helping her family seek justice from Aruba.
Those writing the book are only looking for fodder for the pages by nit picking at every word that some
may utter while trying to help Natalee's family.  It is no better than Kyle trying to sell the ROV footage.
 Poor Natalee has been lost in all of this.

It would be much easier to just walk away from the madness....but we can't do that.
Many may utter the cry "Justice for Natalee" but I think few carry that in their heart.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 27, 2010, 02:43:29 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys...!

TxMom thank you for the news articles.      ::MonkeyJustice::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Mere on January 27, 2010, 03:00:02 PM
Hi Magnolia...!

It is hard to tell sometimes just who wants what.

I would like justice for Natalee, but I thought it would happen years ago....so I don't live
for that.

I do think the information that is provided here about what Aruba really is in that dark
underbelly may prevent another tragedy for another visitor.  If even one person
decides not to go there or if one person becomes more aware of what can happen
when traveling, I think this is what Beth wants...and this is Natalee's legacy...(I do hope
I am using the word correctly...something handed down from the past).  I would love
that everyone who hears Natalee's name thinks about her and what happened and how
it happened. 

 :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 27, 2010, 03:46:45 PM
Hi Magnolia...!

It is hard to tell sometimes just who wants what.

I would like justice for Natalee, but I thought it would happen years ago....so I don't live
for that.

I do think the information that is provided here about what Aruba really is in that dark
underbelly may prevent another tragedy for another visitor.  If even one person
decides not to go there or if one person becomes more aware of what can happen
when traveling, I think this is what Beth wants...and this is Natalee's legacy...(I do hope
I am using the word correctly...something handed down from the past).  I would love
that everyone who hears Natalee's name thinks about her and what happened and how
it happened. 

 :2waver:


Hi Mere, ::HelloKitty::

I think you are right.  The island of Aruba will forever be clouded with suspicion because of
Natalee.  I believe that if they had chosen to solve the case the cloud could have been lifted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on January 27, 2010, 04:27:56 PM

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Thanks for posting this Janet....

I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....


Hi billb

You could be right but ... I did not find any indication of a payoff in my reading of Kyle Kingman’s Own Words.  On the other hand ... there are indications that Kyle feared a lawsuit being filed in regards to the breaking of a confidentiality agreement and … this young man does imply that future career opportunities were at risk.

Unless otherwise indicated … I will continue to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that his motivation to backtrack was damage control in regards to the grim reality concerning the financial security of his family.  Was Kyle right?  No way!  His flip flopping in his original determination to expose what troubled him in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence … happenings encompassing the trap … was an ultimate betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all is said and done … while not condoning ...  I can … to some degree … understand Kyle’s motivation but … it is always right to do right and … let the outcome play out.  Maybe ... it is not too late.

Janet

++++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM
»

Kyle sent me this today.

Kermit,

… The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee …

Sincerely,

Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191



What is the definition of RESPONSIBLITY?

1. Kyle made the choice to join Freebirds.
2. Kyle made the choice to divulge information FIRST with no one knowing
   anything about his so-called confidentiality agreement with John Silvetti. Either he is just a born blabber-mouth or his conscious is bothering him. Afterall, he is the one that went to New York to try to sell the ROV images of a dead body inside the cage that is believed to be Natalee Holloway
and left out a visit or phone call informing the family of his intentions. Oh golly gee whlikers.

3. No confidentiality agreement contains the clause to cover-up crimes.


AND looky here, Kyle seems to have found work and lots of it.

 


KINGMAN GEOPHYSICAL SOLUTIONS BLOG:

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2009
Current Project: Search for Admiral Yi's Turtle Ships
Geophysical team leader for Aqua Survey, Inc. and Korea's Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation sponsored search for Admiral Yi's famous Turtle ships.
In the 1590s, one of the greatest battles in naval history was fought near the southern tip of Korea by one of the most brilliant naval strategists to have ever lived. Today, not many people outside of Korea know of Admiral Yi Sun-sin and his ingenious Turtle ships, but to Koreans they are the stuff of legend. Aqua Survey Inc. were contacted by the Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation of South Korea and given the great honor of a very special mission: to locate and raise one of Admiral Yi's famous Turtle Ships. ASI's recently developed electromagnetic metal detection system will play a pivotal role in our success. To learn more, go to: http://www.aquasurvey.com/
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2009
Atlantic City Wind Farm
Field project manager; geophysical survey for a proposed wind farm offshore Atlantic City, NJ.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 8:25 PM 0 comments 
Labels: Atlantic City wind farm


TUESDAY, JULY 28, 2009
Skagerrak 1, 2, &3 HVDC Cable Inspection and Survey
Party Chief on board the Vos Satisfaction for Deep Ocean- Skagerrak 1, 2, and 3 HVDC cable route survey and cable inspections. Supporter-4 working class ROV fitted with: Reson 8125 dual head multibeam sonar, side scan sonar, Innovatum MaxTrak 4-sensor cable tracker, transverse gradiometric EM array, and a 3-camera video array. Survey and inspect 3 HVDC cables crossing the North Sea totaling about 360 kilometers.


THURSDAY, JULY 2, 2009
Skaggerak-4 Deep Ocean HVDC Cable Route Survey
Party Chief for Deep Ocean Skaggerak-4 HVDC cable route survey, North Sea; Denmark to Norway on board the VOS Satisfaction. Approximately 1,230 survey line kilometers.
Vos Satisfaction
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 12:35 PM 0 comments 
Labels: HVDC Cable, North Sea, Skaggerak 4, Statnett
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com




billb...snip

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....

 
Kermit...snip

AND looky here, Kyle seems to have found work and lots of it.


That has been my belief...that kyle received work to remain silent and deny Natalee and her family Justice...

mhoo....


 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on January 27, 2010, 04:28:05 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys...!

TxMom thank you for the news articles.      ::MonkeyJustice::






 ::MonkeyJustice::   ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 05:48:18 PM


Good afternoon Monkeys!   ::MonkeyGavel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 27, 2010, 05:51:24 PM


Good afternoon Monkeys!   ::MonkeyGavel::






 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 06:13:41 PM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

texasmom - I am posting to express once again my support for Natalee and her family.  I don't do it often enough.
May justice find a way! ::MonkeyJustice::

texasmom - your para. 1.  I wouldn't be the least surprised that someone
is attempting to write a book.  I've often wondered...
Are you guessing?  Can you say more?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks for posting today, can!     ::MonkeyCool::

About the book...I believe it's been mentioned here more than once, iirc. 

Anything further would be my opinion only since I don't have many facts, and don't really care to know more about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 06:24:38 PM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.



Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

Thanks for that post TM and it is so true.

Those writing the book have no interest in finding Natalee or helping her family seek justice from Aruba.

Those writing the book are only looking for fodder for the pages by nit picking at every word that some may utter while trying to help Natalee's family.  It is no better than Kyle trying to sell the ROV footage.

Poor Natalee has been lost in all of this.

It would be much easier to just walk away from the madness....but we can't do that.
Many may utter the cry "Justice for Natalee" but I think few carry that in their heart.

Thanks Magnolia, I agree. 

And I do think that those that stay focused can do a lot to remind everyone that we won't forget; and we're not going away.   ::MonkeyWeight::

 ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 06:26:41 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys...!

TxMom thank you for the news articles.      ::MonkeyJustice::


You're welcome Mere!  More coming up as soon as I catch up!   ::MonkeySkate::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68035.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Central Bank is to plan for FATF

January 27, 2010, 13:32 (GMT -04:00)

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The Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) is busy formulating a plan for legislation related to the FATF report on money laundering and terrorist financing.

ORANGE CITY - The Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) is a risk report on the drafting of legislation against money laundering and terrorist financing. Also, a plan drawn up, based on practices of the World Bank, within the shortest possible time to meet the conditions and all sixteen core concerns of the FATF 49.

Some recommendations of the Central Bank to set a ban on electronic exchanges on the island and the phasing out of the Aruban Free Companies (AVV) as legal, a complete review of business legislation and registration of new businesses. Monitoring unusual transactions should be sharper. And there is before the Plenary of the FATF in Abu Dhabi starts, legislation against money laundering and terrorist financing are, according to the Central Bank.

Risky
During a recent special meeting with financial institutions expressed CBA Director Jane Semeleer concerns about the breach of thirteen of the sixteen core element of the FATF. This could lead to a listing on the black list of known non-compliant countries of the FATF. Financial transactions with persons and entities from these countries in finance seen as risky. "The economic consequences could be far reaching," said Semeleer during the meeting. "I know many of you wonder why we as a country as poor scoring. I would not like the finger at others, unless we can learn. What I have observed so far is that there was a general lack of awareness, coordination, priority setting and accountability. All these shortcomings must be addressed as soon as possible. "

See also "like members of the States Meeting on FATF

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68034.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

State members want meeting FATF

January 27, 2010, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The fractions of AVP and Partido Democracia Real (PDR) in the States have a President requested within two weeks a public meeting. The belggen of the meeting the parties to take action to meet the criteria of the Financial Action Taskforce (FATF).

The request was signed by among others the chair of the Financial and Economic Affairs Committee, Juan David Yrausquin (AVP). The members of the States to hold the meeting before the upcoming plenary session of FATF place in mid February in Abu Dhabi. She wants "to be properly informed about the plans of the government to comply with the FATF recommendations. They also want an opportunity to express their opinion.

The members of the States would in principle that the entire cabinet is present in any case the Ministers of Justice, Finance and Economic Affairs. They are worried about the fact that Aruba in the last published by the FATF Mutual Evaluation Report with regard to combating money laundering and supporting terrorism, only three of the sixteen key recommendations of the organization has a sufficient scored. For them, the previous government was incompetent and negligent in addressing this issue.

The Financial Committee Economic Affairs of the States following these presentations and discussions involving the Central Bank, Aruba Financial Center, the Public Ministry, Aruba Bankers Association and the Inland Revenue. "The major issue as soon as possible to take measures to comply with the recommendations of the FATF, taking into account the international market for financial services in Aruba. These members of the States want is that this market in the future remain and be expanded, "the letter to State Chairman Andy Lee (AVP).

Destructive
On October 16 published the FATF Mutual Evaluation Report on Aruba. This was damning in its assessment of combating money laundering and possible support of terrorism on the island. So at Aruba financing of terrorism and not missing certain criminal offenses in the Criminal Code as a predicate offense for money laundering. The absence of provisions in Aruba on the identification and verification of the ultimate person responsible for operations, is a thorn in the eye of FATF. The same applies to the lack of regulation and monitoring of Aruba active electronic stock exchanges and securities dealers or advisers and insurance. There are also opaque and inadequate legislation for companies which include shares and identify the people behind the company impossible.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 06:41:34 PM
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Educational Facilities Maria College downright bad "

January 27, 2010, 13:35 (GMT -04:00)

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This "building" of the Marian College students get lessons.

ORANGE CITY - "Three toilets for five hundred pupils. No air conditioning in the building. Sports instruction in the full Sun These are the teaching facilities of the temporary home of the Marian College. "René Herde, leader of AVP in the States, has no words. "We can not longer. The Minister of Education should do something about it. "

Last week got parliamentarians and representatives of teachers of the Department of Education Mary College on a tour of the area Centro Hubenil in Washington. There is also temporarily established Maria College. During the tour saw the guests according Herde themselves how serious the lesomstandigheden are. "I understand that initially there is no proper education facilities in this area were, for Hubenil Centro has a very different purpose than the school. But it is serious that the facilities are not now, "said Herde.

The lawmaker lists on which the school faces. "Each class has up to fifteen students, because of overcrowding. In computer classes to three students share one computer. The classrooms are his fans, but they are too small for the space and not enough work. Sports instruction should be given full sun, because there is no shelter. And so I can still go on. "

The AVP-MP finds it incomprehensible that the previous Minister of Education, Marisol Lopez-Tromp (MEP), agree that this has gone home to a school site was put down. "She had never to allow 'says Herde. "Students here are taught, was physically and mentally to go underneath. How can they concentrate if they are not decently be at school? "

During the tour, the current Minister of Justice and Education Arthur Dower (AVP) not present, but he was replaced by his fellow minister Benny Sevinger (AVP) for Infrastructure, Environment and Integration. He decided, after the situation of Maria College had seen, to speed up the much needed facilities. According Herde after this tour is commissioned to the Public Works Department (DOW) to begin the construction of adequate toilets and a well-functioning air conditioning. Herde is happy, but wants more information. "I would like the Minister of Education to know what plans there are for this year the situation surrounding the Maria College and other schools. Because unfortunately there are more schools from the previous government really have received no attention. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 06:58:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67842.php

Statute Law Court now based on agreement with Aruba

22 Jan, 2010, 12:33 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD/THE HAGUE — The regulation of tasks and authorities of the Communal Court of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba is now also officially determined on the basis of mutual agreement with Aruba.

As Aruba now agrees with the Statute Law Communal Court of Justice, it is no longer necessary to base the enactment for Aruba on Article 43 of the Statute. Minister of Justice, Ernst Hirsch Ballin announced this also on behalf of State-Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) in an amendment of a bill. In this, the law now finds its basis also for Aruba in article 38 of the Statute.

“At the moment of submitting the proposal, there had been no agreement with Aruba on the proposal of Statute Law Communal Court of Justice”, Hirsch Ballin explains in the amendment of the bill. “Through these amendments, it is determined that Aruba unconditionally agrees with the enactment.”

On July 7th, 2009, a few days after the decision-making by the National Council of Ministers on the proposal, the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba had forwarded a letter to the chairman of the council. In this, he announced on behalf of the government of Aruba to agree with the proposal if a limited number of adjustments could be made in the proposal. The desired adjustments by Aruba had regarded the seat of the Court, the consultation between a representative of the government and the established registrars and the judgment of the established registrars.

Hirsch Ballin: “During the continued consultation it had already become clear that these adjustments – which do not affect the proposed organizational model of the Court – were acceptable for the government of the Netherlands and of the Netherlands Antilles, if this would mean that Aruba would entirely and unconditionally agree with the proposal. After all, it is preferable for each of the countries in the Kingdom, if the judicial power in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom is arranged on the basis of mutual agreement.”

The amendment of the bill also contains a few adjustments regarding the reports of the Lower Chamber, of the States of the Netherlands Antilles and of the States of Aruba on the proposal and an adjustment of technical nature.

Seated in each country
The main criticism of Aruba was that the Court would be seated in Curaçao. The amended stipulation of article 15 of the Statute Law regulates that the Court will be seated in each of the countries. The proposed amendment does not have any consequences for the quarters of the central Court-organization, as this will then remain on Curaçao. “With the in article 65 of the proposal required evaluation, it will be reviewed whether there is reason to move the central Court-organization or parts thereof to one of the other countries.”

Consultation
The proposed new fourth section of article 22, requires regular consultation between a representative of the government and the established registrars. There will be a question of one registrar with establishments in each of the countries. In order to maintain adequate supervision on the interests of the various establishments, it had already been arranged that the established registrars would be invited for meetings of the government, unless that is not functional. A regular consultation of a representative of the government with the established registrars has been added to the above. Matters concerning the registrar will be focused on during this consultation.

The management of the registrar offices and Courts in First Instance will be in the hands of the Vice-President residing and working in the relevant country. “It is obvious that he is also entrusted with the judgment of the established registrar. After all, he is the one who has the best view on the functioning of the registrar. The Vice-President residing and working on Curaçao will judge the established registrar regarding Bonaire, as they have no Vice-President. No registry offices will be established on Saba and St. Eustatius for the time being. These islands will be serviced from St. Maarten.”

Additional functions
Based on the proposed new second section of article 26, the incompatible posts not apply for the normal members of the Court, but also for the substitute members and the deputies of the judges in first instance. There are a few exceptions, which are justified due to the fact that the position of the substitutes is slightly different from that of the normal members of the Court. The exceptions make is possible to manage the current practice that members of the Council of State, as substitute member, could be employed for the administrative law. It is also advisable to maintain the possibility that officials and legal co-workers could orientate themselves by means of a substitute membership on a possible transfer to the judicial power.”

In the proposed fourth section, an arrangement has been made for the registration and publication of additional functions. “This adjustment intends to arrange that initially all incomes of the judge could be withheld of curtailed during a suspension. It is possible that extra allowances are paid besides the salary.”

It is advisable to have the possibility to draw up rules for the internal treatment of complaints on the conduct of judges. The intention exists to include regulations in the Order in National Council, which also regulates the legal position of the judges, according to Hirsch Ballin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 27, 2010, 07:42:37 PM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

texasmom - I am posting to express once again my support for Natalee and her family.  I don't do it often enough.
May justice find a way! ::MonkeyJustice::

texasmom - your para. 1.  I wouldn't be the least surprised that someone
is attempting to write a book.  I've often wondered...
Are you guessing?  Can you say more?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks for posting today, can!     ::MonkeyCool::

About the book...I believe it's been mentioned here more than once, iirc. 

Anything further would be my opinion only since I don't have many facts, and don't really care to know more about it.

Thanks texasmom.  I think I understand.

It seems to me that anyone publishing a book about Natalee should do so
with her parents knowledge and agreement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: can on January 27, 2010, 07:51:23 PM
Mere I agree with your assessment of Aruba and how many of us will remember their tarnished reputation through the way they mishandled Natalee's case.



 





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

texasmom - I am posting to express once again my support for Natalee and her family.  I don't do it often enough.
May justice find a way! ::MonkeyJustice::

texasmom - your para. 1.  I wouldn't be the least surprised that someone
is attempting to write a book.  I've often wondered...
Are you guessing?  Can you say more?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks for posting today, can!     ::MonkeyCool::

About the book...I believe it's been mentioned here more than once, iirc. 

Anything further would be my opinion only since I don't have many facts, and don't really care to know more about it.

Thanks texasmom.  I think I understand.

It seems to me that anyone publishing a book about Natalee should do so
with her parents knowledge and agreement.


I agree.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 09:45:46 PM
http://www.notmykid.org/media/28288/scared%20safe%20%20feb%2010.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/01272010_ScaredSafe_with_BethHollow.jpg)

http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/events/%22Scared_Safe%22_Lecture_and_Benefit_273442092326

"Scared Safe" Lecture and Benefit
Paradise Valley Country Club
7101 N. Tatum Blvd. Paradise Valley, AZ, 85253
PHONE: 602-652-0163
February 9, 2010
Tuesday, 8:00 AM - 12:00 PM

ON THE WEB: www.notmykid.org  www.paradisevalleycc.com
PRICE: $100 : $100

Not My Kid presents Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the high school student who went missing on a graduation trip to Aruba. Breakfast is served. Proceeds benefit Not My Kid, an organization that educates the community about the consequences of destructive youth behaviors. Registration required.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on January 27, 2010, 10:25:52 PM
I saw Kermit at the State of the Union Address. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 27, 2010, 10:56:32 PM
I saw Kermit at the State of the Union Address. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: texasmom on January 28, 2010, 12:09:21 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Truth and Justice for Natalee!

That's what it's all about Aruba,

We won't give up!


 ::MonkeyJustice::
::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 12:21:39 AM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.
Just catching up...late as usual.....
TM...I may be wrong...but I think this was directed at me....and I take offense!
I have had a bad moment or 2 on this blog...and still feel bad I did...
But to dismiss my posts as if I wasn't here for Natalee......is wrong.......



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:38:59 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Let's keep the lights on.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 12:57:13 AM

Domain Name   setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
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Location   Continent  :  South America
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 ::rhino::


CapsLockGizzard still at it..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 01:02:34 AM

Domain Name   setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
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HELLO CAPSLOCKWIZARD aka rv
 ::rhino::


CapsLockGizzard still at it..... ::MonkeyHaHa::
Still they are worried.... ::MonkeyCool::
May they never rest in peace..Until Natalee is returned to her family and friends...and the perps....urine, paulass, k2....coverup crew.......are held accountable!
aruba....take notice....we will be here for the next 40 years........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
O'lord BillB..That isn't even the half of it....Very sad to say the least! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 01:11:53 AM
O'lord BillB..That isn't even the half of it....Very sad to say the least! ::MonkeyNoNo::
Keepthefaith...please enlighten me...???
I try to keep up.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:20:00 AM
O'lord BillB..That isn't even the half of it....Very sad to say the least! ::MonkeyNoNo::
Keepthefaith...please enlighten me...???
I try to keep up.....


BillB.Those idiots have spent more time on SM then you could imagine,Looking up,researching,as well as attempting to gain credibility in ways that make me sick!Just remember.This is JMOO.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:28:18 AM

7.  It was Kyle Kingman's sincere desire to expose the truth behind the Persistence betrayal in a compiled document to Beth Holloway in hopes that pressure could be put on Aruba to reveal what may have been recovered from the trap on January 7, 2008.  In pursuance of that goal ... Kyle solicited the assistance of those who belonged to a private forum ... those whose objective was that justice would ultimately prevailed for Natalee Holloway.  However ... Kyle backtracked on his original honorable intentions.  Why?  What was the motivation to betray Natalee Holloway ... betray her family?

Thanks for posting this Janet....

I sincerely hope this question gets answered in due course......

payoff is my gut reaction...but surely I must be wrong.....


Hi billb

You could be right but ... I did not find any indication of a payoff in my reading of Kyle Kingman’s Own Words.  On the other hand ... there are indications that Kyle feared a lawsuit being filed in regards to the breaking of a confidentiality agreement and … this young man does imply that future career opportunities were at risk.

Unless otherwise indicated … I will continue to give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that his motivation to backtrack was damage control in regards to the grim reality concerning the financial security of his family.  Was Kyle right?  No way!  His flip flopping in his original determination to expose what troubled him in regards to the happenings on board the Persistence … happenings encompassing the trap … was an ultimate betrayal of Natalee Holloway and her family.

When all is said and done … while not condoning ...  I can … to some degree … understand Kyle’s motivation but … it is always right to do right and … let the outcome play out.  Maybe ... it is not too late.

Janet

++++++

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM
»

Kyle sent me this today.

Kermit,

… The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee …

Sincerely,

Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December

Kyle Kingman:  I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this). Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191



What is the definition of RESPONSIBLITY?

1. Kyle made the choice to join Freebirds.
2. Kyle made the choice to divulge information FIRST with no one knowing
   anything about his so-called confidentiality agreement with John Silvetti. Either he is just a born blabber-mouth or his conscious is bothering him. Afterall, he is the one that went to New York to try to sell the ROV images of a dead body inside the cage that is believed to be Natalee Holloway
and left out a visit or phone call informing the family of his intentions. Oh golly gee whlikers.

3. No confidentiality agreement contains the clause to cover-up crimes.


AND looky here, Kyle seems to have found work and lots of it.

 


KINGMAN GEOPHYSICAL SOLUTIONS BLOG:

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2009
Current Project: Search for Admiral Yi's Turtle Ships
Geophysical team leader for Aqua Survey, Inc. and Korea's Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation sponsored search for Admiral Yi's famous Turtle ships.
In the 1590s, one of the greatest battles in naval history was fought near the southern tip of Korea by one of the most brilliant naval strategists to have ever lived. Today, not many people outside of Korea know of Admiral Yi Sun-sin and his ingenious Turtle ships, but to Koreans they are the stuff of legend. Aqua Survey Inc. were contacted by the Marine Resource & Cultural Foundation of South Korea and given the great honor of a very special mission: to locate and raise one of Admiral Yi's famous Turtle Ships. ASI's recently developed electromagnetic metal detection system will play a pivotal role in our success. To learn more, go to: http://www.aquasurvey.com/
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2009
Atlantic City Wind Farm
Field project manager; geophysical survey for a proposed wind farm offshore Atlantic City, NJ.
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 8:25 PM 0 comments 
Labels: Atlantic City wind farm


TUESDAY, JULY 28, 2009
Skagerrak 1, 2, &3 HVDC Cable Inspection and Survey
Party Chief on board the Vos Satisfaction for Deep Ocean- Skagerrak 1, 2, and 3 HVDC cable route survey and cable inspections. Supporter-4 working class ROV fitted with: Reson 8125 dual head multibeam sonar, side scan sonar, Innovatum MaxTrak 4-sensor cable tracker, transverse gradiometric EM array, and a 3-camera video array. Survey and inspect 3 HVDC cables crossing the North Sea totaling about 360 kilometers.


THURSDAY, JULY 2, 2009
Skaggerak-4 Deep Ocean HVDC Cable Route Survey
Party Chief for Deep Ocean Skaggerak-4 HVDC cable route survey, North Sea; Denmark to Norway on board the VOS Satisfaction. Approximately 1,230 survey line kilometers.
Vos Satisfaction
Posted by Kyle Kingman at 12:35 PM 0 comments 
Labels: HVDC Cable, North Sea, Skaggerak 4, Statnett
http://geosolutions.blogspot.com





Deep Ocean..Interesting to say the least.Wind farms..Wasn't Aruba looking into wind farms?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 28, 2010, 01:31:41 AM
I tried to let this thread go without alot of moderation.  I really thought that after nearly 5 years it would be understood that ALL of the regular posters in the Natalee Holloway thread have nothing but honest desires for justice in this case. 

I'm referring to the obvious snide posts in Janet's direction.  We may not all agree on every aspect of this case or even how Natalee died.  THIS NEEDS TO STOP.  If you don't like what someone says just scroll on by. 

I respect everyone that is posting on behalf of Natalee and her family.  I know we have had some questionable posters in the past (Capslock and others) but we don't now.  Everyone here has one goal......

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 01:32:43 AM
O'lord BillB..That isn't even the half of it....Very sad to say the least! ::MonkeyNoNo::
Keepthefaith...please enlighten me...???
I try to keep up.....


BillB.Those idiots have spent more time on SM then you could imagine,Looking up,researching,as well as attempting to gain credibility in ways that make me sick!Just remember.This is JMOO.... ::MonkeyCool::
Keepthefaith....
Thank you...makes me sick too....
That is why I responded to TM's comments.......I felt she was referring to me as one of them.....
pissed me off.... ::MonkeyMad::
TM...you do so much for this forum...which I sincerely respect.....
stay true...let others state their beliefs..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 01:36:23 AM
I tried to let this thread go without alot of moderation.  I really thought that after nearly 5 years it would be understood that ALL of the regular posters in the Natalee Holloway thread have nothing but honest desires for justice in this case. 

I'm referring to the obvious snide posts in Janet's direction.  We may not all agree on every aspect of this case or even how Natalee died.  THIS NEEDS TO STOP.  If you don't like what someone says just scroll on by. 

I respect everyone that is posting on behalf of Natalee and her family.  I know we have had some questionable posters in the past (Capslock and others) but we don't now.  Everyone here has one goal......

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Thanks Klaas......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:41:24 AM
O'lord BillB..That isn't even the half of it....Very sad to say the least! ::MonkeyNoNo::
Keepthefaith...please enlighten me...???
I try to keep up.....


BillB.Those idiots have spent more time on SM then you could imagine,Looking up,researching,as well as attempting to gain credibility in ways that make me sick!Just remember.This is JMOO.... ::MonkeyCool::
Keepthefaith....
Thank you...makes me sick too....
That is why I responded to TM's comments.......I felt she was referring to me as one of them.....
pissed me off.... ::MonkeyMad::
TM...you do so much for this forum...which I sincerely respect.....
stay true...let others state their beliefs..

Billb.I wasn't referring to TM,and or any other monkey.I was referring to Capslockgizzard and the rest of the crew!I've personally never had any issues with TM,quite the contrary.I believe if TM had an issue with me,and or any other monkey she'd let me know.Just to clarify what i was referring to.Although much has been said,not said,responded to,ignored,i truly believe we're all here for Justice.I think Klaas knows us all by now and has a pretty damn good grip of who's who.Do we agree with that?Let's put the fires to rest and get on with what we're here for!I'm sure if you truly got to know the people behind the posts we'd all be suprised what genuine,good-hearted people we really are.We are human,make mistakes and,don't always agree!So be it & God Bless all the Monkey's...JMOO







KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:45:08 AM
cOPY,bILLB...yA OUT THERE?cAN I GET A COPY?  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 01:50:13 AM
cOPY,bILLB...yA OUT THERE?cAN I GET A COPY?  ::MonkeyTongue::
Copy that..Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:53:20 AM
cOPY,bILLB...yA OUT THERE?cAN I GET A COPY?  ::MonkeyTongue::
Copy that..Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Caps and those idiots never get enough of SM...I just wasn't really wanting to push your buttons due to the Chargers getting beat...Ouch ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 01:57:52 AM
cOPY,bILLB...yA OUT THERE?cAN I GET A COPY?  ::MonkeyTongue::
Copy that..Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Caps and those idiots never get enough of SM...I just wasn't really wanting to push your buttons due to the Chargers getting beat...Ouch ::MonkeyFootball::

Time to get things back to old and start,and start,and start STACKIN till we get to the next thread...Ya think Klaas,and or 2nj are watching for the thread change????Badddd Monkey's we are...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: klaasend on January 28, 2010, 02:00:40 AM
I won't be around for the thread change.  I've unlocked the new so go ahead and move yourselves over when you reach page 100!

Goodnight all!

New thread:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6659.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:00:57 AM
Klaas has a Sixth Sense i tell ya! ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:01:53 AM
I won't be around for the thread change.  I've unlocked the new so go ahead and move yourselves over when you reach page 100!

Goodnight all!

New thread:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6659.0

GoodNight & God Bless...Kalpoes...TICK_TOCK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 02:05:47 AM
Klaas summed it up perfectly.....we are here because we are here for Natalee (everyone's daughter), the injustice perpetrated by aruba, the perps, the coverup crew, and still TBD...the persistence crew....
I come here as often as I can...and sometimes react with a post that may not be in sync  with the daily discussion...I am still behind Beth and will be here as long as it takes to see Justice...for Natalee...
I believe the persistence found the cage that held Natalee's remains....and am frustrated that it has been covered up......
I'm not here to infringe on anyone's post...although it may seem at times that I am....I believe I am only engaging the immediate forum as I see it.....not meaning to disrupt, but commenting/asking questions in the moment....
Justice for Natalee is where I am at...and I appreciate Scared Monkeys for allowing me to participate in their forum...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 02:07:16 AM
cOPY,bILLB...yA OUT THERE?cAN I GET A COPY?  ::MonkeyTongue::
Copy that..Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Caps and those idiots never get enough of SM...I just wasn't really wanting to push your buttons due to the Chargers getting beat...Ouch ::MonkeyFootball::
Didn't you know....I'nm a Drew Brees fan.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:07:29 AM
Klaas summed it up perfectly.....we are here because we are here for Natalee (everyone's daughter), the injustice perpetrated by aruba, the perps, the coverup crew, and still TBD...the persistence crew....
I come here as often as I can...and sometimes react with a post that may not be in sync  with the daily discussion...I am still behind Beth and will be here as long as it takes to see Justice...for Natalee...
I believe the persistence found the cage that held Natalee's remains....and am frustrated that it has been covered up......
I'm not here to infringe on anyone's post...although it may seem at times that I am....I believe I am only engaging the immediate forum as I see it.....not meaning to disrupt, but commenting/asking questions in the moment....
Justice for Natalee is where I am at...and I appreciate Scared Monkeys for allowing me to participate in their forum...

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:08:07 AM
cOPY,bILLB...yA OUT THERE?cAN I GET A COPY?  ::MonkeyTongue::
Copy that..Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyTongue::

Caps and those idiots never get enough of SM...I just wasn't really wanting to push your buttons due to the Chargers getting beat...Ouch ::MonkeyFootball::
Didn't you know....I'nm a Drew Brees fan.... ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:12:20 AM
I'm trying Klaas


 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on January 28, 2010, 02:12:23 AM
.
Good Night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:13:58 AM
.
Good Night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::

GoodNight Billb... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:14:23 AM
I'm trying Klaas


 ::rhino::

::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on January 28, 2010, 02:22:54 AM
I'm trying Klaas


 ::rhino::

::rhino:: ::rhino::
::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::

GoodNight & God Bless


Natalee Holloway



justice



it will come


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:31:57 AM
::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67967.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Pedophile caught in Savaneta

January 26, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - Agents of the bureau in San Nicolas had to tear out the last Sunday of Savaneta water tank, where a man with not very fresh intentions would have brought a young girl. On arrival officers found the 51-year-old policeman MGC to, and knocked in drunken state, accompanied by a young girl. The child gave a lift from the man she knew not to do so. Once they got in the car C. told her that he would be taking to the water tank to have sex. However, the car came up in a red and ended up hitting the man seriously injured enough to go straight to the police to be charged.

As for the girl, the Youth and Vice enabled. When later, however, that they could not do much with her was MGC been released.


Of course they had to let the policeman go.  The girl got in his car....what could he possibly do about it....I'm sure she was a "goody two shoes" and just a "slut".  Too bad the hanging group doesn't put the hand in the pocket for this sort of thing....maybe both hands.  Might clean up the rotten island.  Sheesh

That is just atrocious!!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

A pedophile working AS A POLICE OFFICER!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyMad::

No wonder there is no justice on that hell hole rock.

Makes it easier and easier to believe that perhaps Paulus had *something* on one of the officers in charge of Natalee's "investigation", or a JUDGE perhaps........... and threatened to use it if his son was brought to justice for this crime.

Geez.  Is EVERYONE a POS on that island?

C'mon Eman - you've got some serious cleaning up to do!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:32:40 AM
http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2010/01/26/another-tourist-murdered-in-antigua.htm

Another Tourist Murdered in Antigua
Tuesday January 26, 2010
A 29-year-old cruise-ship passenger has been found murdered near one of Antigua's most popular beaches, the third high profile tourist slaying in Antigua in the past two years.

more at link

Another example of a tropical paradise that isn't afraid to tell the truth!

Thanks Nut.

Isn't it just amazing the glaring differences between those two islands?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:33:59 AM
JMO

There are those who would like nothing better than to see us all throw up our hands in frustration and give up!  It would probably be very surprising to some, the lengths that some of "those" will go to with the hope that will happen.  It would probably be even more surprising who they will try to work "through".  Perhaps they've even ordered advance copies of a book that's being written?   

There have been plenty of knowitall's that have come and gone, we all know the signs by now.

As Anna has stated many times, we know what we know.

Don't be distracted.  Don't take the bait, stay strong.  If need be, call a spade liar a spade liar with their "own words". 

Scroll by that post that aggravates, even if it's a drive by rehash that's 3,681 words long and couldn't possibly induce any meaningful discussion.  And then make a post of your own to show your support for Natalee and her family.

Don't forget what we're here for.   

It's all about Natalee.

Never going to happen!!!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:38:25 AM
Hi Magnolia...!

It is hard to tell sometimes just who wants what.

I would like justice for Natalee, but I thought it would happen years ago....so I don't live
for that.

I do think the information that is provided here about what Aruba really is in that dark
underbelly may prevent another tragedy for another visitor.  If even one person
decides not to go there or if one person becomes more aware of what can happen
when traveling, I think this is what Beth wants...and this is Natalee's legacy...(I do hope
I am using the word correctly...something handed down from the past).  I would love
that everyone who hears Natalee's name thinks about her and what happened and how
it happened. 

 :2waver:


That needed repeating.  Thank you Mere.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:44:21 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68035.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Central Bank is to plan for FATF

January 27, 2010, 13:32 (GMT -04:00)

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The Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) is busy formulating a plan for legislation related to the FATF report on money laundering and terrorist financing.

ORANGE CITY - The Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) is a risk report on the drafting of legislation against money laundering and terrorist financing. Also, a plan drawn up, based on practices of the World Bank, within the shortest possible time to meet the conditions and all sixteen core concerns of the FATF 49.

Some recommendations of the Central Bank to set a ban on electronic exchanges on the island and the phasing out of the Aruban Free Companies (AVV) as legal, a complete review of business legislation and registration of new businesses. Monitoring unusual transactions should be sharper. And there is before the Plenary of the FATF in Abu Dhabi starts, legislation against money laundering and terrorist financing are, according to the Central Bank.

Risky
During a recent special meeting with financial institutions expressed CBA Director Jane Semeleer concerns about the breach of thirteen of the sixteen core element of the FATF. This could lead to a listing on the black list of known non-compliant countries of the FATF. Financial transactions with persons and entities from these countries in finance seen as risky. "The economic consequences could be far reaching," said Semeleer during the meeting. "I know many of you wonder why we as a country as poor scoring. I would not like the finger at others, unless we can learn. What I have observed so far is that there was a general lack of awareness, coordination, priority setting and accountability. All these shortcomings must be addressed as soon as possible. "

See also "like members of the States Meeting on FATF

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_68034.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

State members want meeting FATF

January 27, 2010, 13:31 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The fractions of AVP and Partido Democracia Real (PDR) in the States have a President requested within two weeks a public meeting. The belggen of the meeting the parties to take action to meet the criteria of the Financial Action Taskforce (FATF).

The request was signed by among others the chair of the Financial and Economic Affairs Committee, Juan David Yrausquin (AVP). The members of the States to hold the meeting before the upcoming plenary session of FATF place in mid February in Abu Dhabi. She wants "to be properly informed about the plans of the government to comply with the FATF recommendations. They also want an opportunity to express their opinion.

The members of the States would in principle that the entire cabinet is present in any case the Ministers of Justice, Finance and Economic Affairs. They are worried about the fact that Aruba in the last published by the FATF Mutual Evaluation Report with regard to combating money laundering and supporting terrorism, only three of the sixteen key recommendations of the organization has a sufficient scored. For them, the previous government was incompetent and negligent in addressing this issue. [/color]

The Financial Committee Economic Affairs of the States following these presentations and discussions involving the Central Bank, Aruba Financial Center, the Public Ministry, Aruba Bankers Association and the Inland Revenue. "The major issue as soon as possible to take measures to comply with the recommendations of the FATF, taking into account the international market for financial services in Aruba. These members of the States want is that this market in the future remain and be expanded, "the letter to State Chairman Andy Lee (AVP).

Destructive
On October 16 published the FATF Mutual Evaluation Report on Aruba. This was damning in its assessment of combating money laundering and possible support of terrorism on the island. So at Aruba financing of terrorism and not missing certain criminal offenses in the Criminal Code as a predicate offense for money laundering. The absence of provisions in Aruba on the identification and verification of the ultimate person responsible for operations, is a thorn in the eye of FATF. The same applies to the lack of regulation and monitoring of Aruba active electronic stock exchanges and securities dealers or advisers and insurance. There are also opaque and inadequate legislation for companies which include shares and identify the people behind the company impossible.

 

Thank you TxMom.

I'm going to toss out "incompetent and negligent" and just state the obvious.


That would be called CORRUPTION.

Nothing more.  Nothing less.

Thank goodness the new government is addressing this issue.  An overhaul of Aruba's financial sector was long overdue.

Now.......which bank was Arlene Schippers given a spot on the Board for - after all her jibber jabber "you just don't understand our system" baloney she screeched from our TV's every night?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:50:29 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67842.php

Statute Law Court now based on agreement with Aruba

22 Jan, 2010, 12:33 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD/THE HAGUE — The regulation of tasks and authorities of the Communal Court of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba is now also officially determined on the basis of mutual agreement with Aruba.

As Aruba now agrees with the Statute Law Communal Court of Justice, it is no longer necessary to base the enactment for Aruba on Article 43 of the Statute. Minister of Justice, Ernst Hirsch Ballin announced this also on behalf of State-Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA) in an amendment of a bill. In this, the law now finds its basis also for Aruba in article 38 of the Statute.

“At the moment of submitting the proposal, there had been no agreement with Aruba on the proposal of Statute Law Communal Court of Justice”, Hirsch Ballin explains in the amendment of the bill. “Through these amendments, it is determined that Aruba unconditionally agrees with the enactment.”

On July 7th, 2009, a few days after the decision-making by the National Council of Ministers on the proposal, the Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba had forwarded a letter to the chairman of the council. In this, he announced on behalf of the government of Aruba to agree with the proposal if a limited number of adjustments could be made in the proposal. The desired adjustments by Aruba had regarded the seat of the Court, the consultation between a representative of the government and the established registrars and the judgment of the established registrars.

Hirsch Ballin: “During the continued consultation it had already become clear that these adjustments – which do not affect the proposed organizational model of the Court – were acceptable for the government of the Netherlands and of the Netherlands Antilles, if this would mean that Aruba would entirely and unconditionally agree with the proposal. After all, it is preferable for each of the countries in the Kingdom, if the judicial power in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom is arranged on the basis of mutual agreement.”

The amendment of the bill also contains a few adjustments regarding the reports of the Lower Chamber, of the States of the Netherlands Antilles and of the States of Aruba on the proposal and an adjustment of technical nature.

Seated in each country
The main criticism of Aruba was that the Court would be seated in Curaçao. The amended stipulation of article 15 of the Statute Law regulates that the Court will be seated in each of the countries. The proposed amendment does not have any consequences for the quarters of the central Court-organization, as this will then remain on Curaçao. “With the in article 65 of the proposal required evaluation, it will be reviewed whether there is reason to move the central Court-organization or parts thereof to one of the other countries.”

Consultation
The proposed new fourth section of article 22, requires regular consultation between a representative of the government and the established registrars. There will be a question of one registrar with establishments in each of the countries. In order to maintain adequate supervision  on the interests of the various establishments, it had already been arranged that the established registrars would be invited for meetings of the government, unless that is not functional. A regular consultation of a representative of the government with the established registrars has been added to the above. Matters concerning the registrar will be focused on during this consultation.
The management of the registrar offices and Courts in First Instance will be in the hands of the Vice-President residing and working in the relevant country. “It is obvious that he is also entrusted with the judgment of the established registrar. After all, he is the one who has the best view on the functioning of the registrar. The Vice-President residing and working on Curaçao will judge the established registrar regarding Bonaire, as they have no Vice-President. No registry offices will be established on Saba and St. Eustatius for the time being. These islands will be serviced from St. Maarten.”

Additional functions
Based on the proposed new second section of article 26, the incompatible posts not apply for the normal members of the Court, but also for the substitute members and the deputies of the judges in first instance. There are a few exceptions, which are justified due to the fact that the position of the substitutes is slightly different from that of the normal members of the Court. The exceptions make is possible to manage the current practice that members of the Council of State, as substitute member, could be employed for the administrative law. It is also advisable to maintain the possibility that officials and legal co-workers could orientate themselves by means of a substitute membership on a possible transfer to the judicial power.”

In the proposed fourth section, an arrangement has been made for the registration and publication of additional functions. “This adjustment intends to arrange that initially all incomes of the judge could be withheld of curtailed during a suspension. It is possible that extra allowances are paid besides the salary.”

It is advisable to have the possibility to draw up rules for the internal treatment of complaints on the conduct of judges. The intention exists to include regulations in the Order in National Council, which also regulates the legal position of the judges, according to Hirsch Ballin.

I think that this is excellent news!  Finally, some oversight for those Judges!!!!!  What a shame that the prior government refused to do this for so long...............had they chosen to cooperate, perhaps the last time Joran and the kalpoes were detained there may have been justice.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I also wonder what, if any, effect this will have on the Kalpoe's disposition in the civil suit in CA?  Their claim for not producing documents in discovery was based on some Article or other of Aruban law.  Does this agreement and Common Court now change that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:51:31 AM
I saw Kermit at the State of the Union Address. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 08:52:29 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

Let's keep the lights on.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thank you 2NJ  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 10:10:07 AM
Beth Holloway to speak at fundraising event
by The Itawamba County Times4 hrs 23 mins ago | 44 views | 0  | 0  |  |  FULTON – Beth Holloway, mother of missing youth Natalee Holloway, will be the guest speaker at Itawamba FIRST Foundation’s fundraising banquet on Tuesday, Feb. 16, at 6:30 p.m. at the Itawamba Agricultural High School commons.

All proceeds from the event will be used to further Itawamba FIRST Foundation’s efforts throughout the Itawamba County area.

Natalee Holloway disappeared while on her senior trip to Aruba in 2005. Since then, Beth Holloway has made a tremendous public effort to locate her missing daughter.

According to Itawamba FIRST Foundation head Bryan Wilson, Holloway’s goals and message share many similarities to the foundation’s own, so she was a perfect fit for the banquet.

http://nems360.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Beth+Holloway+to+speak+at+fundraising+event%20&id=5684122&instance=secondary_stories_left_column


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 10:38:35 AM
http://gocaribbean.about.com/b/2010/01/26/another-tourist-murdered-in-antigua.htm

Another Tourist Murdered in Antigua
Tuesday January 26, 2010
A 29-year-old cruise-ship passenger has been found murdered near one of Antigua's most popular beaches, the third high profile tourist slaying in Antigua in the past two years.

more at link

Another example of a tropical paradise that isn't afraid to tell the truth!

Thanks Nut.

Isn't it just amazing the glaring differences between those two islands?

More here & video at main link:

Jan. 26, 2010
American Tourist Murdered in Antigua
29-Year-Old San Francisco Woman Found Stabbed in Neck Near Beach Barbecue
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 An American tourist was stabbed to death on the Caribbean island of Antigua during a cruise stop. As Michelle Miller reports, Nielsen is the fourth American killed on Antigua since 2008.
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2010/01/26/image6142903g.jpg)Nina Nilssen, left, Drew Gollan, and honeymooners, Ben and Catherine Mullany were all killed on the Caribbean island of Antigua.  (CBS)

(CBS)  Another tourist murder mystery has come out of the Caribbean. Last week, a young San Francisco woman was killed during a cruise stopover on the island of Antigua.

Many questions remain in the stabbing death of Nina Nilssen, CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller reports. The 29-year-old aspiring composer-musician was found dead last Tuesday near Pidgeons Point Beach, a popular destination on Antigua.

How to Protect Yourself in Paradise
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/26/earlyshow/living/travel/main6143104.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Nilssen was part of a wedding party on the cruise. Some member of the party had gotten off their cruise ship, the Royal Clipper, for a barbecue. Nilssen disappeared, but was later discovered on a trail not far from the celebration. She'd been stabbed once in the neck.

Etai Freedman, one of Nilssen's friends, told CBS News, "Nina had no ego. She was in touch with people on all levels of life. She gave everybody her time."

Nilssen is the fourth tourist murdered on the tiny island since 2008. In July 2008, British honeymooners Ben and Catherine Mullany were shot in their hotel room. And last January, Drew Gollan, a 38-year old Australian yachtsman, was shot in the chest. Police believe robbery was the motive in all three homicides.

Crimes against tourists have made news recently in other Caribbean nations, as well. High school senior Natalee Holloway vanished on spring break in Aruba in 2005, and in 2006, CBS News employee Ryan Smith was viciously attacked in St. Maarten.

Security experts advise that, even when in paradise, vacationers should be on guard.

Tim Horner, of Kroll, a risk consulting company, told CBS News, "Even if it's sunny outside, doesn't mean it's a low-risk or a low-crime area, and you have to pay attention."

Nilssen's killer is still at large.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/26/earlyshow/main6142947.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 28, 2010, 11:44:22 AM
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 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 28, 2010, 11:47:02 AM
I saw Kermit at the State of the Union Address. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

LMAO
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 12:17:45 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

2NJ, are you up there waiting to lock?





























Can I help?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 12:19:42 PM
Beth Holloway to speak at fundraising event
by The Itawamba County Times4 hrs 23 mins ago | 44 views | 0  | 0  |  |  FULTON – Beth Holloway, mother of missing youth Natalee Holloway, will be the guest speaker at Itawamba FIRST Foundation’s fundraising banquet on Tuesday, Feb. 16, at 6:30 p.m. at the Itawamba Agricultural High School commons.

All proceeds from the event will be used to further Itawamba FIRST Foundation’s efforts throughout the Itawamba County area.

Natalee Holloway disappeared while on her senior trip to Aruba in 2005. Since then, Beth Holloway has made a tremendous public effort to locate her missing daughter.

According to Itawamba FIRST Foundation head Bryan Wilson, Holloway’s goals and message share many similarities to the foundation’s own, so she was a perfect fit for the banquet.

http://nems360.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Beth+Holloway+to+speak+at+fundraising+event%20&id=5684122&instance=secondary_stories_left_column

What happened to Natalee, and the things her mother has done in the wake of that has certainly caught the attention of many, many good hearted people.

May Beth continue to have the strength and the fortitude to keep up the efforts of trying to keep other teens safe.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:22:28 PM
::MonkeyJnBox::

2NJ, are you up there waiting to lock?





























Can I help?  ::MonkeyCool::

Sure!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:24:22 PM
Beth Holloway to speak at fundraising event
by The Itawamba County Times4 hrs 23 mins ago | 44 views | 0  | 0  |  |  FULTON – Beth Holloway, mother of missing youth Natalee Holloway, will be the guest speaker at Itawamba FIRST Foundation’s fundraising banquet on Tuesday, Feb. 16, at 6:30 p.m. at the Itawamba Agricultural High School commons.

All proceeds from the event will be used to further Itawamba FIRST Foundation’s efforts throughout the Itawamba County area.

Natalee Holloway disappeared while on her senior trip to Aruba in 2005. Since then, Beth Holloway has made a tremendous public effort to locate her missing daughter.

According to Itawamba FIRST Foundation head Bryan Wilson, Holloway’s goals and message share many similarities to the foundation’s own, so she was a perfect fit for the banquet.

http://nems360.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Beth+Holloway+to+speak+at+fundraising+event%20&id=5684122&instance=secondary_stories_left_column

What happened to Natalee, and the things her mother has done in the wake of that has certainly caught the attention of many, many good hearted people.

May Beth continue to have the strength and the fortitude to keep up the efforts of trying to keep other teens safe.



Yes, I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:26:30 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Getting there....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:29:21 PM
::MonkeyCool::  Getting there....

S L O W L Y 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:31:12 PM
 ::MonkeySkate::

Just a couple more....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: jen3560 on January 28, 2010, 12:31:20 PM
 ::MonkeyBike::













Has anyone heard from Hotping yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on January 28, 2010, 12:31:44 PM
TAKE IT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2N2JJJj


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:32:17 PM
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 - 1/28/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on January 28, 2010, 12:33:11 PM
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Please move to:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6659.0