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When Kock said that an offer had been made, but the Kalpoes turned it down, I wonder if it actually wasn't the other way around.  Perhaps the Kalpoe's told Dr. Phil's people that they would settle for xxx amount of dollars in exchange for not fileing a suit and Dr. Phil told them where to go.

Have a good time Klaas.

Honestly, I'll want to come home after about 3 hours but that's not likely to happen, lol  :lol:

Honestly, I'll want to come home after about 3 hours but that's not likely to happen, lol  :lol:

This from the Paramount statement in the last thread is very interesting, IMHO:

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

Have a great time Klaas.  Does extended mean the family members that will be there, or is extended in relation to the 6 hours or so you'd be away from the forum  :wink:

Very possible.  Remember, the only information we have on this is coming from MF at FOB.

Carpe, I agree.

Bye for now monkeys.

When Kock said that an offer had been made, but the Kalpoes turned it down, I wonder if it actually wasn't the other way around.  Perhaps the Kalpoe's told Dr. Phil's people that they would settle for xxx amount of dollars in exchange for not fileing a suit and Dr. Phil told them where to go.

This from the Paramount statement in the last thread is very interesting, IMHO:

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

Whoever has the deepest pockets usually wins.

Katysmom - I would believe this before I'd believe Dr. Phil offered a genuine settlement.  I would believe Dr. Phil offered a settlement that would entice them to visit the US, though.

Just posted by MF at FOB.  This is the kind of BS you would expect from them.

Remember when Uncle Jossy said this on TV las night?:

Jossy: "Well they did confess it, we had the tape analyzed by some experts in Venezuela, it's a legitimate tape and they did admit to having sex but not only on the tape, they admitted to having sex with the girl when she was going in and out of consciousness in the car".

Well, the problem is, the Kalpoe Lawyers have the scientific evidence that the tape was manipulated and edited to show that they said "she did" instead of "no, she didn't" and "how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night" from the N.F.I. AND AN AMERICAN LAB IN CALIFORNIA.

The results were definite: the tapes were edited, not only for time lapse on the Drd. Phil show, but to change what the Kalpoe kid said!
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I think the Kalpoes and the posters at RU and FOB are in for a big surprise when it comes to the tape  :wink:

Just posted by MF at FOB.  This is the kind of BS you would expect from them.

Remember when Uncle Jossy said this on TV las night?:

Jossy: "Well they did confess it, we had the tape analyzed by some experts in Venezuela, it's a legitimate tape and they did admit to having sex but not only on the tape, they admitted to having sex with the girl when she was going in and out of consciousness in the car".

Well, the problem is, the Kalpoe Lawyers have the scientific evidence that the tape was manipulated and edited to show that they said "she did" instead of "no, she didn't" and "how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night" from the N.F.I. AND AN AMERICAN LAB IN CALIFORNIA.

The results were definite: the tapes were edited, not only for time lapse on the Drd. Phil show, but to change what the Kalpoe kid said!
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I think the Kalpoes and the posters at RU and FOB are in for a big surprise when it comes to the tape  :wink:

Correct me if I am wrong, but as to what was a genuine copy of what was on Skeeters hard drive already certified as being unaltered ?
If there is a question as to what was said and what wasn't said, it's Skeeters vs Deepak.

Just posted by MF at FOB.  This is the kind of BS you would expect from them.

Remember when Uncle Jossy said this on TV las night?:

Jossy: "Well they did confess it, we had the tape analyzed by some experts in Venezuela, it's a legitimate tape and they did admit to having sex but not only on the tape, they admitted to having sex with the girl when she was going in and out of consciousness in the car".

Well, the problem is, the Kalpoe Lawyers have the scientific evidence that the tape was manipulated and edited to show that they said "she did" instead of "no, she didn't" and "how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night" from the N.F.I. AND AN AMERICAN LAB IN CALIFORNIA.

The results were definite: the tapes were edited, not only for time lapse on the Drd. Phil show, but to change what the Kalpoe kid said!
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I think the Kalpoes and the posters at RU and FOB are in for a big surprise when it comes to the tape  :wink:

I wonder if Paulus is uncapping the well in his back yard to put Deepak in there.

We have been over this time and time before regarding this tape.  The only part of the tape I ever heard is what was on the news.  It is clear to me that Aruba did something to the tape.  Yes I know it was edited for the show because quite frankly it had to be because there is not enough time to show the tape on one show.  It will be just one more headline to show how corrupt Aruba is and just how far they will go.

I can't wait to see if Deepak shows up or not.  As soon as they see him there will be hatred from everyone because you could tell he is just such an evil individual to try and capitalize on a murder he helped commit.  Either way this sheds a bad light on Aruba.

I wonder if Paulus is uncapping the well in his back yard to put Deepak in there.

Negotiations of this kind can be used to find out (1) what the other party wants and (2) what they've got - how strong do they feel their case is.  It's like a district attorney offering a plea bargain.  If the DA has a strong case, they're less likely to offer a plea deal.  

Also, I'd bet that Deepak thinks that even if he loses, he'll be in the news and make a name for himself.  Magazines, talk shows, publishers will pay him for interviews and appearances.

Hope that one of the First if not the FIRST deposition conducted will be that of van der Straaten on the pile of Bonaire.

Take that deposition first lawyers for DR PHIL, CBS, et al.

Someone needs to get on the record what evidence that van der straaten was referring to when he answered the question "what makes you believe that NH is deceased?" & he answered "because I have seen the evidence & you haven't".

I agree.  Van der Straaten is one dirty cop and notice how no one hears about him anymore.  He was forced into his retirement because they know what he did.

Just posted by MF at FOB.  This is the kind of BS you would expect from them.

Remember when Uncle Jossy said this on TV las night?:

Jossy: "Well they did confess it, we had the tape analyzed by some experts in Venezuela, it's a legitimate tape and they did admit to having sex but not only on the tape, they admitted to having sex with the girl when she was going in and out of consciousness in the car".

Well, the problem is, the Kalpoe Lawyers have the scientific evidence that the tape was manipulated and edited to show that they said "she did" instead of "no, she didn't" and "how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night" from the N.F.I. AND AN AMERICAN LAB IN CALIFORNIA.

The results were definite: the tapes were edited, not only for time lapse on the Drd. Phil show, but to change what the Kalpoe kid said!
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I think the Kalpoes and the posters at RU and FOB are in for a big surprise when it comes to the tape  :wink:

Would some really smart monkey please review the Skeeters tape that Klaas left for us from Roger at Scrux and tell me where the comment about Natalee  dressing like a slut is located?  I seem to have missed it and I have read it several times...it must be my eyes. TIA

Would some really smart monkey please review the Skeeters tape that Klaas left for us from Roger at Scrux and tell me where the comment about Natalee  dressing like a slut is located?  I seem to have missed it and I have read it several times...it must be my eyes. TIA

 :shock: I just got back from reading it and was about to post the very same question.  GMTA.   :lol:

This from the Paramount statement in the last thread is very interesting, IMHO:

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

Kat, it is possible that the only tape the Kalpoes and their attorneys have is the one that the Arubans tampered with and modified to reflect their own interpretation.  It might not be identical to the original tape the FBI holds.  If this is the case, Deepak and Satish have lied to their attorneys.  That won't be pretty.

By the way I clearly think he said "she did".

Deepak is a demon.

Would some really smart monkey please review the Skeeters tape that Klaas left for us from Roger at Scrux and tell me where the comment about Natalee  dressing like a slut is located?  I seem to have missed it and I have read it several times...it must be my eyes. TIA

Would some really smart monkey please review the Skeeters tape that Klaas left for us from Roger at Scrux and tell me where the comment about Natalee  dressing like a slut is located?  I seem to have missed it and I have read it several times...it must be my eyes. TIA

Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

Very busy day here but a couple of things I want to remind us of:

Remember Justinsmama's thought that at some point when they
were corralling Natalee into the Pimpmobile, she got away from them and went back into C&C and back outside looking confused.  The MB student sitting on a balcony at nearby bar says it was Deepak who went in and drug her out by the arm, up the sidewalk and around the corner.

This he said before it came out that the Pimpmobile was parked in the back of C&C for privacy and rapid get away.

This is mentioned in the HT's filing and is NOT going to look too good for Deepak.  I used to doubt the kid seeing this when he first told it to Dan at RWV but now it makes perfect sense.  Joran let her get away and Deepak was having none of that and went in and drug her out by the arm.

Perhaps this did not happen but this MB kid is on the record saying he saw it right from the start and his testimony will certainly carry a tremendous weight with any jury.



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[In my business, I am trained to "guess" what people are saying (particularly those with foreign accents)' and I heard "she did 'n' you would be surprised how easy ..." (she did and you would be surprised), not she didn't!

Hope that one of the First if not the FIRST deposition conducted will be that of van der Straaten on the pile of Bonaire.

Take that deposition first lawyers for DR PHIL, CBS, et al.

Someone needs to get on the record what evidence that van der straaten was referring to when he answered the question "what makes you believe that NH is deceased?" & he answered "because I have seen the evidence & you haven't".

I have always thought your explanation the best on this, Tyler.  And that is exactly what I hear as well.  And even more so if you start an air conditioner in the middle of it and turn down the volume for the 'n' part.  Or have Deepak do a voice over.

Wasn't Steve Cohen on Dr. Phil's program when the tape was aired?  Was that the one where he lost his job?

No, Cohen was still flacking for them at Christmas last year, because it was around Christmas that Red was on via telephone with Cohen (Court TV, I think).  
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It isn't there Lala'sMom.  Think that Klaas thought she copied it all but it was obviously at capacity of her copy ability so it was cut off.  I will see if I can copy it from that point.

I have always thought your explanation the best on this, Tyler.  And that is exactly what I hear as well.  And even more so if you start an air conditioner in the middle of it and turn down the volume for the 'n' part.  Or have Deepak do a voice over.

Wasn't Steve Cohen on Dr. Phil's program when the tape was aired?  Was that the one where he lost his job?

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I have always thought your explanation the best on this, Tyler.  And that is exactly what I hear as well.  And even more so if you start an air conditioner in the middle of it and turn down the volume for the 'n' part.  Or have Deepak do a voice over.

Wasn't Steve Cohen on Dr. Phil's program when the tape was aired?  Was that the one where he lost his job?

And didn't Stevie boy even admit he thought they did something to her or with her?  I forget.

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Yes, this will be very interesting.  Both the who and the what aspects.  At first blush you would think it is $ motivating it, but I don't think so.

Lala's, to your question about Deepak being on autopilot since he was able to see so much of what was going on in the backseat, I answer you the following:  To me he was watching it on his monitor that is in the vicinity of his sunvisor, and we already know he had one.

Well I don't consider obtaining another appointment as retirement. Now he is on the pile of Bonaire as the Chief of Police (whatever damn title they assign to the function) to bring corruption there.  The only item mentioned about Bonaire is that van der Straaten wants to bring an updated radar system there to "help defer smuggling", LOL, LOL.  Yeah right, when a paid for shipment comes in that the bribe has been delivered they turn the radar system off, just like they have done on the Devil's Rock.

Kat_Gram, here ya go:

PARAMOUNT Studios Speaks

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=842d5b63-98c9-4603-8e5e-b8c93c596c2d&page=2


He usually focuses on relationship problems, but even Dr. Phil couldn't resist joining the media circus surrounding the Natalie Holloway case. And now it may cost him.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, teenage brothers who were once considered prime suspects in the 18-year-old's May 30, 2005, disappearance while vacationing in Aruba, is suing the Dr. Phil show, claiming they were defamed on national TV.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

The episode in question aired Sept. 15, 2005, on the nationally syndicated show, days after the brothers were released from custody by Aruban police. Holloway was last seen getting in a car with the siblings and Dutch teen Joran Van Der Sloot, but authorities said they lacked sufficient evidence to hold the teens, in part because investigators could not determine whether Holloway was dead or alive since her body had yet to be found.

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

Per court documents, McGraw & Co. specifically implied that the siblings slipped Holloway a date-rape drug, forced her to have nonconsensual sex and then supposedly aided in killing her and hiding the body, allegations which the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot have denied.

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

The suit claims Deepak Kalpoe agreed to the sit-down with the P.I. in the assumption that Skeeter might help clear him and his brother. Skeeter allegedly told Kalpoe that the gruff McGraw was a "god" who could "influence a country" and help their case.

After months of searching for the missing young woman, Aruban investigators shifted their probe away from the brothers and Van Der Sloot to pursue other leads. The case remains unsolved.

A lawyer for the Kalpoes could not be reached for comment Friday. Their suit seeks unspecified general, special and punitive damages.

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

Shortly after the Kalpoes took legal action against Dr. Phil, Holloway's parents fired back.

Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway filed a civil wrongful-death suit against the teens Thursday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accusing them of causing their daughter's death by "intentionally, negligently, wantonly...unlawfully conducting themselves" in a way that brought about fatal injuries.

"All we want is justice for our daughter. There is no doubt in my mind that Deepak and Satish played a role in my daughter's death and should be held accountable," Beth Twitty said. "It is unconscionable that they have not been punished so far."
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Well, if we are going to discuss the tape we need the entire thing and not just what Scrux has.  BTW I am referring to the one Klaas posted in this forum. I am sure dear Roger could not have imadvertently omitted that.   Anyone know where I can find the entire transcript?

...who were once considered prime suspects...

After months of searching for the missing young woman, Aruban investigators shifted their probe away from the brothers and Van Der Sloot to pursue other leads. The case remains unsolved.

Just posted by MF at FOB.  This is the kind of BS you would expect from them.

Remember when Uncle Jossy said this on TV las night?:

Jossy: "Well they did confess it, we had the tape analyzed by some experts in Venezuela, it's a legitimate tape and they did admit to having sex but not only on the tape, they admitted to having sex with the girl when she was going in and out of consciousness in the car".

Well, the problem is, the Kalpoe Lawyers have the scientific evidence that the tape was manipulated and edited to show that they said "she did" instead of "no, she didn't" and "how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night" from the N.F.I. AND AN AMERICAN LAB IN CALIFORNIA.

The results were definite: the tapes were edited, not only for time lapse on the Drd. Phil show, but to change what the Kalpoe kid said!
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I think the Kalpoes and the posters at RU and FOB are in for a big surprise when it comes to the tape  :wink:

ohhhh klaas.... I just love surprises.... :wink:

CBB, thanks for the "Silent Night" movie.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Klaas, I hope your visit with the extended family was very nice.  

Just wanted everyone to know --- how much they are appreciated and each one adds something to the case for Natalee's justice, even though some are more silent and lurk, it is what is in each and every heart.  Not all of us are as eloquent as Anna and not all of us bring the daily news like Leslie, not all of us have the wherewithal to interpret the statements like CBB and not all have the analytical abilities of Lala's, but we all contribute in some way for "right," and when we are right, and we are tenacious, as this group  is, justice will come. . . . perhaps not on our time schedule but it will come.

At this time of year, I have to mention how this is a lot like prayer.  I often find myself "telling" the Lord how to solve my problems.  I know that is wrong and they are never solved in the way I thought they would be, but in a way I would have never thought of and we have to be patient because He knows best and He is in charge of Natalee's justice and we must pray that His will be done and that Natalee's family will have the answers.

I hope this is a blessed Christmas for each and everyone and that Christmas will bring us good news, but first I think we need to offer thanks to Him who hears us in our prayers, in our hearts, and thank Him for giving us Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red & Tom, for without them, we would all be scattered in the wilderness, seeking solace and a place to voice our hearts and our concerns and we need to ask His guidance that Beth & Dave and their families pursue a course that is pleasing in His eyes and that He will give them the strength to pursue this until justice prevails for their precious daughter.

Alright,,, fess up, what kind of movie did I miss?

Tyler, that was so sweet..... :cry:

And, since you always know the answer to these questions I have an O/T question for you.....
We are going to Illinois for the holidays and my orange tree is loaded with yummy , juicy oranges and I would like to take some with me to share with my family as they so enjoy them. Do you have any suggestions as to the best way to handle them? TYIA

i think K2 are gonna sing sing sing

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I think so too robots.... I hope so....

Tyler, that was so sweet..... :cry:

And, since you always know the answer to these questions I have an O/T question for you.....
We are going to Illinois for the holidays and my orange tree is loaded with yummy , juicy oranges and I would like to take some with me to share with my family as they so enjoy them. Do you have any suggestions as to the best way to handle them? TYIA

OK, figured it out.

Klaas only has segment one through five of the Skeeters Tape transcript posted.   That's why the slut & rascist remarks are not there.

I will try to get the rest six through eleven & post it on that thread so we have it in total & don't have to waste scrux broadband for referencing purposes.

Joran 8/8:The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

Does anyone know who this "someone" might be?  Have we ever discussed this before?

Oh, you are sweet.  Can you get some kind of bedding straw and put it in a big box, preferably something constructed of wood but if not heavy cardboard or even a cheap ice chest from a mart.  Then kind of snuggle the bedding straw in between them.  IT's just to prevent them from rubbing and bruising each other.




If that is not possible, try getting some absorbent white tissue paper like you put in gift bags just so they won't be rubbing against each other.

I wish I had a tree full of oranges.  :)  I bought a Meyer lemon this year and am praying that we do not get a hard freeze that kills it.

Brought over from the previous thread:

From Crazybabyborg:

Hey Monkeys!

Since I don't know your addresses, and communicate through the cage, I wanted to send you a Christmas Card. Lots of Love and wishes for a very Merry Christmas!

http://www.asilentnightmovie.com/

This from the Paramount statement in the last thread is very interesting, IMHO:

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

From Dr. Phil's website :



From Dr. Phil’s Website: All new monday…. New developments in the Natalee Holloway case. Beth and I are back together again in the continued quest for justice for her daughter Natalee Holloway.

Just posted by MF at FOB.  This is the kind of BS you would expect from them.

Remember when Uncle Jossy said this on TV las night?:

Jossy: "Well they did confess it, we had the tape analyzed by some experts in Venezuela, it's a legitimate tape and they did admit to having sex but not only on the tape, they admitted to having sex with the girl when she was going in and out of consciousness in the car".

Well, the problem is, the Kalpoe Lawyers have the scientific evidence that the tape was manipulated and edited to show that they said "she did" instead of "no, she didn't" and "how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night" from the N.F.I. AND AN AMERICAN LAB IN CALIFORNIA.

The results were definite: the tapes were edited, not only for time lapse on the Drd. Phil show, but to change what the Kalpoe kid said!
___________

I think the Kalpoes and the posters at RU and FOB are in for a big surprise when it comes to the tape  :wink:

Hope that one of the First if not the FIRST deposition conducted will be that of van der Straaten on the pile of Bonaire.

Take that deposition first lawyers for DR PHIL, CBS, et al.

Someone needs to get on the record what evidence that van der straaten was referring to when he answered the question "what makes you believe that NH is deceased?" & he answered "because I have seen the evidence & you haven't".

The Gardener.

From the Skeeters tape, Deepak has shown what a snivelling rat he is and if he thinks that he had been maligned, well too bad.
He is one of the three prime suspects to this day. He was the driver of the car. He was an adult ( well in years ). He took orders from Joran. He went along with the plan that they had acted out 20 x before. He could have delivered Natalee to the HI as she wanted. He could have stopped it. He could have let her out of the car safely. But he didn't and that shows me what he is made of. Rat Poop. And his brother Junior Rat Poop was also over the age of eighteen.
And now he wants a big pay day .

"how simple it was" instead of "how simple it was that night"

To me the 2 above statements are the same as Skeeters was only concerned with the night of 5/29-5/30.     Interesting that DK & his representatives think the words "that night" are so necessary.  Wonder why?  What was DK doing the night of 5/30-5/31 when his auto was seen at PVDS home early hours of 5/31 by the 2 sent there by Charles Croes?  Did PVDS have the 2 culprits leave when he got the phone call from ALE disclosing the soon to come arrival of Beth, Jug, et al along with 2 ALE.

Think Charles Croes should also be questioned as to what he believed to be the occurances that he referenced in his internet posting about what horribleness was going to be discovered to have taken place.  Greta "On the Record" has much on video with Charles Croes that was never aired.  Think it would be very good for her to turn it all over to JQK, don't you all?

I thought that was the pond area.  Is that the same thing?  I am getting forgetful lately.  :roll:

MsMarple wrote:  A man has been accused of killing a 4-month old child, I think his own; "DNA" is mentioned in the article.
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Diabierna na corte a tuma lugar e caso den cual Ferdinand Alexander D. a wordo acusa di a mata Alexander D. E caso aki a impacta comunidad di Aruba, mirando cu e homber a wordo acusa di a mata su propio baby di 4 luna.
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His name is Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff...sound familiar?

I didn't think of that Straten statement. I wonder if he can be deposed, and if his testimony can be admissible.

ALONG WITH THAT...

I am wondering if, even if evidence becomes a matter of public record under the LAWS of another country (USA), it STILL has to be disallowed under the Dutch "system". Remmeber that they say that if the evidence gets out, it can't be used in a Dutch proceeding. What if someone were compelled under the laws of SOME OTHER country to make it known in their judicial system's actions?

I think most of us here will recall that the witch was with the ALE when they received it and were viewing it.  Perhaps, she was called to help them alter the tape.  She definitely told us she was there.  No way around that chit.

CBB, thanks for the "Silent Night" movie.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Klaas, I hope your visit with the extended family was very nice.  

Just wanted everyone to know --- how much they are appreciated and each one adds something to the case for Natalee's justice, even though some are more silent and lurk, it is what is in each and every heart.  Not all of us are as eloquent as Anna and not all of us bring the daily news like Leslie, not all of us have the wherewithal to interpret the statements like CBB and not all have the analytical abilities of Lala's, but we all contribute in some way for "right," and when we are right, and we are tenacious, as this group  is, justice will come. . . . perhaps not on our time schedule but it will come.

At this time of year, I have to mention how this is a lot like prayer.  I often find myself "telling" the Lord how to solve my problems.  I know that is wrong and they are never solved in the way I thought they would be, but in a way I would have never thought of and we have to be patient because He knows best and He is in charge of Natalee's justice and we must pray that His will be done and that Natalee's family will have the answers.

I hope this is a blessed Christmas for each and everyone and that Christmas will bring us good news, but first I think we need to offer thanks to Him who hears us in our prayers, in our hearts, and thank Him for giving us Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red & Tom, for without them, we would all be scattered in the wilderness, seeking solace and a place to voice our hearts and our concerns and we need to ask His guidance that Beth & Dave and their families pursue a course that is pleasing in His eyes and that He will give them the strength to pursue this until justice prevails for their precious daughter.

Joran 8/8:The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

Does anyone know who this "someone" might be?  Have we ever discussed this before?

It was my impression that as long as the information was not leaked by the "Prosecutor's Office" that it would not be in jeopardy, but this was during the time that lots of misinformation was being filtered around by persons who have since been discredited.

I recall that, Anna.  He stated Natalee went out, seemed to be looking for someone, then went back in and when she came out she was being led by Deepak to his car which had been moved to an area back and beyond C&C.  He was sitting on the balcony of ?Bahia? and had a good view.  He is the one who wished 1000 times he had stopped her.

I like Dr. Phil. But I never watch him. I am at work when he is in and it might be on later. I will have to look. If I have the TV on it is ususally CNN and I have seen nothing. Reading is just not the same.  

I did look around today and Deepak still has Visa problems.
His passport is still as a citizen of Surinam and if he is found guilty of anything, he goes back and can never have citizenship in Aruba.
His neck is in a noose.

I don't think we have ever discussed this, and I do not believe this is where the gardener said he saw them but I do not have a good recall for Aruba's geography only having been there twice and once was only 2 days on business, plus add that I have a spatial problem about N, E, S and W, and I don't know nothing.

Dr. Phil is on here in the afternoon and replayed sometime after midnight.  It's like Oprah is on in the morning and replayed at 11:00 pm in my area.

The road by the pond where the gardener saw the car is just east of the huts. I was actually looking at T4N  recently and it was marked off on a map. Alot closer than what I had previously thought. That is one of the reasons why I currently think that the cell call was made from there and not the huts. The layout of the cell towers is North to South in that area and a call made from where the car was spotted from Joran's phone to the Kalpoe's in Hooiberg is a possibility.  

 AMEN! Thank you Tylergal, for putting this so elequently. God Bless. The same sentiments are in my thoughts , and this prayer is  in my heart.

CBB, thanks for the "Silent Night" movie.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Klaas, I hope your visit with the extended family was very nice.  

Just wanted everyone to know --- how much they are appreciated and each one adds something to the case for Natalee's justice, even though some are more silent and lurk, it is what is in each and every heart.  Not all of us are as eloquent as Anna and not all of us bring the daily news like Leslie, not all of us have the wherewithal to interpret the statements like CBB and not all have the analytical abilities of Lala's, but we all contribute in some way for "right," and when we are right, and we are tenacious, as this group  is, justice will come. . . . perhaps not on our time schedule but it will come.

At this time of year, I have to mention how this is a lot like prayer.  I often find myself "telling" the Lord how to solve my problems.  I know that is wrong and they are never solved in the way I thought they would be, but in a way I would have never thought of and we have to be patient because He knows best and He is in charge of Natalee's justice and we must pray that His will be done and that Natalee's family will have the answers.

I hope this is a blessed Christmas for each and everyone and that Christmas will bring us good news, but first I think we need to offer thanks to Him who hears us in our prayers, in our hearts, and thank Him for giving us Klaas, Red, Mrs. Red & Tom, for without them, we would all be scattered in the wilderness, seeking solace and a place to voice our hearts and our concerns and we need to ask His guidance that Beth & Dave and their families pursue a course that is pleasing in His eyes and that He will give them the strength to pursue this until justice prevails for their precious daughter.

An excellent starting point, let's first establish why they all seem to think Natalee is dead and yet no one had one thing to do with it.

I'm one of the few who always believed the gardener.  I don't even know why.  Deepak said he went home, got online and chatted with JCC.  He didn't chat constantly, but went to watch TV.  Why go into chat if you want to watch TV?  Because it wasn't Deepak, it was Satish.  He needed a reason he did not say much in chat.  If he had, Deepak's friend would have suspected it wasn't Deepak.  Remember also that Dr. Phil has a tape of Nadira saying she thinks her boys got home around 3:00 a.m.  (I used to go into a chat room regularly.  Many times we would log in with different screenames and others would try to guess who we were.  It rarely took long if the person was 'chatting'.)

The road by the pond where the gardener saw the car is just east of the huts. I was actually looking at T4N  recently and it was marked off on a map. Alot closer than what I had previously thought. That is one of the reasons why I currently think that the cell call was made from there and not the huts. The layout of the cell towers is North to South in that area and a call made from where the car was spotted from Joran's phone to the Kalpoe's in Hooiberg is a possibility.  
I also think and have though for a long time that if Deepak / Satish were to tell the truth it would come out that their involvement would result in charges. Don't know enough about Dutch law regarding what we would call " accessories " to a crime. But there has to a reason why they have not turned on the Sloots. They don't seem like the sort that would miss a chance to save their own butts, do they, the Kalpoe family ?
But this is all just speculation.
The response by Paramount will be delicious no doubt.
Lately, it seems as if the forces have gathered :
Jensen, DeVries, who ever the judge was that kept them as suspects,
Jossy and his tape, the lawsuit, Dr. Phil, Paramount.

Coverage tonight on FOX...The Lineup / Guilfoyle 10pm EST

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Some were discussing the odd mindset in Aruba this morning and I will have to say I think this really plays into all of this.  It is the oddest I have ever encountered.

How on earth they think themselves the victims is just beyond me.  Natalee is missing and just about certainly dead, murdered in some way or other through drug OD or violence, we do not even know.

And yet, they are victims.  Something about the Dr. Phil show also really set them off.  They seem to think this entire country is tuned in daily awaiting our marching orders.  I like Dr. Phil but don't ever watch it as it falls at the wrong time of day for me.  I doubt I watch it twice a year.

And that is like their thinking Beth can magically make us boycott when I think we would be doing this with or without her blessing on it.

Not sure what you call that.  Maybe looking for a target to blame for their own failures or something like that but it is very strange.  Their reaction to things is just not normal.  Little things like saying Beth does not behave in the proper way for someone with a child missing.  HELLO!  There is no proper way!

Anita saying her own son is not safe for a girl to even get into a car with, all of it is just mind boggling.  Their minds are warped and badly.

And the Bulls beat the Hawks in an overtime thrillah just in time for me to watch!   :)

My thanks to CBB for that beautiful card and for the silent night link. It has placed me in the real Christmas spirit.  

Tyler- your warmth and love come through for everyone to see.  Thank you for who you are, and for what you share with all of us.  

Merry Christmas all.

Sunny

There were visa problems. But does he need a visa for just a visit ?
Think the five years was in regards to Deepak coming to the USA to go to school for an extended period. That would be an Aruban thing, the length of time you are allowed to be away without it counting as an absence in the time period used to count residency.

There is a definite feeling that the good guys are mounting a comeback in this case.

I was extremely concerned, with the ny judge's ruling, that it would just have nowhere else to go for life. Every realistic avenue seemed like it was exhausted. There is looking like there is hope again now.

Well, I think Deepak got screwed over by the Sloots. But I have no sympathy for him as he displays no manly characteristics. He also appears too nerdy for a jury to identify with. Can't see him making any friends in the USA in a court room or otherwise.

OK, figured it out.

Klaas only has segment one through five of the Skeeters Tape transcript posted.   That's why the slut & rascist remarks are not there.

I will try to get the rest six through eleven & post it on that thread so we have it in total & don't have to waste scrux broadband for referencing purposes.

Are we 100% SURE that the US can't enforce a subpoena in Aruba? I think they can compel a deposition in any country which has diplomatic relations with us.

Yea, but jury's always feel sorry for the little guy getting screwed by the rich and powerful.  That's why things like the "slut" portions of the tape are important.  Also, Deepak lying, even when the guards were arrested.  Deepak telling JCCroes he had sexual contact with Natalee and then saying it was to mislead authorities, talking to Skeeters about making money off of this in AUGUST OF 2005!  These are all things that will make him look bad.

Florida, you've been to Aruba, why are they so wierd about this case there ?

In Aruba, I don't know if they have to keep extending their visas but you never want to be out of country when thing lapses either. That might be why he didn't come here before. Can't apply for a continuation if you are not there.
Does anyone know how much Fox paid Joran for the fluffy thing with Greta ?
As for lawyers on these shows, ask 10 of them the same question, get 10 answers that are different.
Solution : Never ask a lawyer a question.
Deepak also broke the rule that if someone offers you $$$$$$$ cash for something, you take it.  Even more so if what you have to offer has a shelf life. He wanted more than 4 million for his story, give me a break.

I am not even sure what I meant. It's like they are siding with the criminals.

In Aruba, I don't know if they have to keep extending their visas but you never want to be out of country when thing lapses either. That might be why he didn't come here before. Can't apply for a continuation if you are not there.
Does anyone know how much Fox paid Joran for the fluffy thing with Greta ?
As for lawyers on these shows, ask 10 of them the same question, get 10 answers that are different.
Solution : Never ask a lawyer a question.
Deepak also broke the rule that if someone offers you $$$$$$$ cash for something, you take it.  Even more so if what you have to offer has a shelf life. He wanted more than 4 million for his story, give me a break.

Not sure what you mean exactly...
IMO...The native Aruban people are wonderful people that turned their island over to Dutch and "Americans in Aruba" with big bucks. Along with this came the corruption, sex, drugs and whatever. It's my opinion that it is "bigger than Joran"...The reason for the cover-up. For the truth to be brought forward, the island would probably not survive...or not as it has. The Arubans are very fearful people.

Recently, Aruba proposed a new 12% sales tax...The Arubans feel it will really hit their pockets. Are they now having to pay for "Joran's investigation"?

Greta said that they did not pay Joran for the interview.

I am not even sure what I meant. It's like they are siding with the criminals.

Did you have a nice time Klaasend ? Miss us ?
You need more breaks.

ARUBA:

"The Inmates are Running the Asylum"

hmmmmmmmmmmm, Tacky's attitude is interesting.......

hmmmmmmmmmmm, Tacky's attitude is interesting.......

Joe Tacopina aid in Joran's lawsuit didn't claim Joran caused the death of Natalee and the Kalpoes lawsuit does.

Joe Tacopina said Dr. Phils tape was in fact doctored.

He said the Kalpoes will probably walk away from the lawsuit and they will never get deposed in the United States.

Sure, he'd love to see the Kalpoes take all the blame.

I wonder how many people will need to run out and buy "depends" when they find out the tape was NOT doctored?

I wonder how many people will need to run out and buy "depends" when they find out the tape was NOT doctored?

Yeah, Joran seemed to want that as well in the Greta interview. I was curious as to whether he might be concerned that K2s would point to Joran if deposed.

I wonder how many people will need to run out and buy "depends" when they find out the tape was NOT doctored?

I don't understand why Joey T. was even on tonight, he is not involved in this case (The kalpoe lawsuit). They just needed someone to fill in the time gap, and they dug in the bottom of the barrel for Joey :lol:

I had the feeling he was TRYING to come off as only passively interested. You know, "Doesn't have anything to do with me or Joran, but here's my opinion, since you asked."

Tacky's prediction: K2s will walk away from the Dr. Phil suit and will never be deposed.

Deepak knows the Dr. Phil's tape is legit.  Whatever happened to that tape, I think that Tacopina, Kock, and many others actually believe it was doctored.  There are going to be some people angry with Deepak.

FORMER suspects?   I don't think so!

I think you're right. I think you're absolutely right! Kock doesn't strike me as a wild cannon, and I think he actually believes the tape has been altered. Here's the thing: didn't they send the tape to Holland to be authenticated? The word must have come back saying it had been manipulated. Marco?

He wishes. Kalpoes under oath is dangerous for the Sloots.

I have the feeling that even if the FBI said it was not altered Joe Tacopina will say they are lying.

Everyone lies except Joran.

What NFI said was very vague.  All they said is that the tape on the Dr. Phil show was manipulated/edited.  The original tape was not tampered with.  They did not come out and say that Deepak said Didn't instead of Did.

What NFI said was very vague.  All they said is that the tape on the Dr. Phil show was manipulated/edited.  The original tape was not tampered with.  They did not come out and say that Deepak said Didn't instead of Did.

Yes, if I heard him correctly, he said "Joran and  I were not invited to this dance"....did anyone else hear it that way?

NFI Report

To the best of my knowledge has never been released...or officially quoted. Dompig and Schippers both referenced the report as saying *manipulated*. That's it.

NFI Report

To the best of my knowledge has never been released...or officially quoted. Dompig and Schippers both referenced the report as saying *manipulated*. That's it.

Imagine Arlene, a member of the tourist board, was given access to an official document like that.  It's a sick place that Devil's Rock.

O/T, Wooowee!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Just watched a Pet Shop commercial with a bunch of cute little puppie hopping around on christmas decorations.

Advertisement to get puppies for Christmas, then the statement that floored me, I know what they mean't but it really caught me a funny way.

'3 year warranty' on all puppies.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Imagine Arlene, a member of the tourist board, was given access to an official document like that.  It's a sick place that Devil's Rock.

:lol:  :lol:

Ole Joey knows the original is valid, and that the tape that was aired on the Dr. Phil Show was not manipulated to make it appear that Deepak was admitting sexual activity by all of them. He is simply following his usual line of bs~ tell it loud and long enough and people will believe it.

Don't know Klaasend, the two top pics don't show any vestige of any kind of big hill in the background.

I know the angles are a bit different, but still think something would be showing up in the edge of the background of the first pic if they were the same location.

Rumor has it the Kalpoe may be for sale.  I found this home in Hooiberg for sale..what do you think?

Carnut, you are probably right.  Just thought it was close enough to share.

Number on the black post is 8621.  Could this be an address?

O/T, Wooowee!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Just watched a Pet Shop commercial with a bunch of cute little puppie hopping around on christmas decorations.

Advertisement to get puppies for Christmas, then the statement that floored me, I know what they mean't but it really caught me a funny way.

'3 year warranty' on all puppies.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Nope, that's not an address.  The addresses in Aruba are usuall one or 2 digits sometimes followed by a letter.

Nope, that's not an address.  The addresses in Aruba are usuall one or 2 digits sometimes followed by a letter.

Did anyone ever find the rest of the Skeeters tape transcript?  Just wondering?

I just finished copying & pasting it into my word processing program, it was all done in tables, so got rid of that for my own purposes.

Am going to post it now.

Yep, I just posted the part I missed.  It was the last segment.  Here's the part you were looking for:

Deepak Kalpoe: And, um, still has the nerve to come tell us, you know. (I) mean, come
on, the Aruban people, we, our familes, to tell you, quite frankly, we gave enough for someone, to tell you the truth, dressed like a slut, talked like one, was a racist…

Jamie Skeeters: The mother, I mean the daughter?


Deepak Kalpoe: The daughter.


Jamie Skeeters: Really?


Deepak Kalpoe: Was a racist, I mentioned.And um, would go in a car with three
strange guys. And her mother claiming her to be the little goody two shoes. Come on. Enough with the BS already. It's been enough. And, I can tell Beth on her face, I don’t care. I mean, go and say bad things on us. We don’t need any of this. We just don’t care anymore. I can tell Beth, you know, on her face, on camera, you know, "Screw you, go home. You made my life miserable. You ended it."

CBB
Thanks for sharing that card with us...it "sleighed" me too.   :lol:

I just finished copying & pasting it into my word processing program, it was all done in tables, so got rid of that for my own purposes.

Am going to post it now.

Oh and one more thing...Deepak... you are the one that made your life miserable by not helping Natalee when she was in distress.  You could have prevented this by just taking her back to the hotel like she thought you were doing.  You had the power to put her out of that car when you were on the corner and her friends were there.  Whether she was drunk or drugged, all you had to do was leave her with her friends...instead you let Joran make the call.  Now, Joran will let you and Satish pay the price.

Yep, all Deepak has to blame is himself and/or Joran.

If we continue to agree like this, I will have to put you on my "nice" list.  :wink:

Oh and one more thing...Deepak... you are the one that made your life miserable by not helping Natalee when she was in distress.  You could have prevented this by just taking her back to the hotel like she thought you were doing.  You had the power to put her out of that car when you were on the corner and her friends were there.  Whether she was drunk or drugged, all you had to do was leave her with her friends...instead you let Joran make the call.  Now, Joran will let you and Satish pay the price.

Also just another example of how these folks all seem to see the world upside down or inside out or something.

There's gotta be something wrong with those folks.

Deepak Kalpoe: Was a racist, I mentioned.And um, would go in a car with three
strange guys. And her mother claiming her to be the little goody two shoes. Come on. Enough with the BS already. It's been enough. And, I can tell Beth on her face, I don’t care. I mean, go and say bad things on us. We don’t need any of this. We just don’t care anymore. I can tell Beth, you know, on her face, on camera, you know, "Screw you, go home. You made my life miserable. You ended it."
 

Goodnight all. I'm pretty durn beat.

Crazy~ I love calling you and crazymom "Crazy"! BTW, where's crazymom been? Hope she's okay.

We saw how courageous Deepak was when Beth confronted him in at the Internet Cafe.

He didn't say a whole lot to her face there.

Well after reading much of that transcript all I can say is that DK is not a sympathetic or convincing victim.

He is lying all the way through to Skeeter's.  Playing a pony show for him.  Wish Skeeter's was listening to what the creep was saying so that he could follow up in a more detailed manner.

First DK makes like he isn't familiar with Dr Phil show & then he admits to watching at least 4 or 5 of his shows.

DK says that Greta offered him 4.5 million to do an exclusive, THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS TRUE.

DK says that they know alot more.  OK anything you know should have been told during the interrogations.

& oh yeah, the best of all the totally inappropriate & unbelievable DK references to Natalee specifically.  What is the code on the Devil's Rock?  If a young lady gets into a car that she is a slut & she wants to f*** it's inhabitants & when she doesn't it's because she is a racist?  Man, warped & ignorant beyond belief is all I can say to that mentality.

DK  I told Beth everything…she won't believe us, of course.yeah, right

DK  As far as goes for Beth, Beth just wants us…who is telling him this, were his ears open when was speaking to him in the cafe?

DK He couldn't join the military cuz he's too short, but he doesn't know his own length.  You can't make it up, he doesn't know how tall he is?  What a liar.

Flippin Skeeter's didn't even ask DK, why he believed that NH was deceased.  Now I just don't understand that at all.

I didn't know that Deepak talked to Beth and told her anything.  It was my impression the only person she ever spoke to was Joran. Did I miss something?

Lala's. I don't know if Deepak said anything to her, but Beth went to the internet Cafe while Deepak was working, and stood in front of him and talked to him. Greta ( I think?) caught it on film. Beth said she tried to tempt him the reward money, and tried to appeal to him as a Mother of a missing child. He looked very, very, uncomfortable and reluctant to look at her.

I well remember that, but Deepak says he told her everything...I didn't think that he ever spoke to her and told her anything at all about her daughter and that night.  I could be wrong.

I well remember that, but Deepak says he told her everything...I didn't think that he ever spoke to her and told her anything at all about her daughter and that night.  I could be wrong.

Now let's read that aloud in a CA court and see  Natalee's mother sitting across the table...Deepak, you're and idiot!

Puma
You are correct Beth won't be there, but just think how it sounds to all of us.  I can't wait for the tape to be played in court to a jury that some of them have their own children.  Most parents would do or at the least attempt to do what Beth did had their child gone missing.  I know I would.  Actually, I would have already taken the matter into my own hands and be in jail myself...but I digress...I am not as strong and courageous as Beth or Dave.  I don't have the patience they do. I so admire them for what they have done in all this. I know I have been on a rant about his today and maybe I will give it a rest for a while, but it just brings it all back to the guilty 3 that rode off into the wind with Natalee in the back seat of Deepak's car, never to  be seen again.  I have no sympathy for any of them and I dare say there are few in the USA that do.

It isn't there Lala'sMom.  Think that Klaas thought she copied it all but it was obviously at capacity of her copy ability so it was cut off.  I will see if I can copy it from that point.

WIRELESS INTERNET:  Aruba vacation Villa Park Haystack Residence has a wireless connection system for you, in all the Apartments and all the Villa’s , so that you can work with your own portable computer ,.........(snip).. Internet in the Apartments and the Villa’s 24 our / day, or by the Swimming Pool , wireless, ......(snip)...When you want to use our wireless network , then your LAPTOP must have the following: a WIFI adapter, with a steering system of minimum WindoCrazybabyborgws 2000 professional and 1 free USB gate. When you have not an adapter then we have the possibility that you can buy one from us, a USB WIFI adapter, able for our wireless system.

Yesterday a few people brought up the last name DIJKHOFF of the man that has been suspected as killing his 4 mo or 4 yr old child.
It made me think of the woman PVDS says that he spoke to at the bank 5/30/05, in my mind the name was Ruth DIJKHOFF.  Is this the correct name?  Anybody?
& then this morning when I was looking through the Official Statement Forum this name  MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF made me think  -  Maybe Ruth is her nickname?
Yes, PVDS used Ruth Dijkhoff's name as a witness to his afternoon banking story, but we have no proof that it happened.  There is no declaration from this woman and on June 18, 2005 a Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann died at the age of 50.  Was her death from an illness,  an accident, foul play or suicide?  PVDS's witness statement from June 18th does not mention the banking story or this woman, but his June 23rd suspect statement does.  Notice the dates.  I am inclined to believe the woman who died was the same one who Paul named and that he knew she could never rebute his story.    MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (known as Rita) was the long-time VDS "maid" who was present at the house on May 30, 2005.   Because of my ignorance of the Aruban naming customs, I don't know what Rita or Ruth's maiden names were or if they were related.  Of course, Paul VDS would know if they were sisiters or sisters-in-law.  Dijkhoff is a common name in Aruba.  Another interesting fact re: the death of Ruth Dijkhoff is that her funeral arrangements were handled by the funeral home that Yolanda Wever co-owns and her funeral was in Germany.   Did her body or her ashes go to Germany?  Did that VDS maid go to the funeral in Germany and is that  why her declaration to the polis was delayed?   Now this young man, named Dijkhoff, is guilty of killing his infant daughter and it seems that drugs played a part in this crime.  I would love to see a family tree of the Dijkhoff family. Florida wrote that she has lots of information about this family.  Please email me at leslie@customtecfire.com if you do not want the information posted on the LCD.

OT
I don't know, haven't been to bed yet as there was some trouble tonight as a drunk guy who an hour earlier I had had words with when he slammed the firedoor into my outside wall & I then saw him break the security lights in the interior corrider KNOCKED on my door.  Stupid me opened the door thinking he was going to apologize for horribly cursing at me when I said "NICE" right after he broke the light & when he told me to "suck his ****" I said NEVER, he turned around quickly & then approached me right up to my face saying "do I look like a n****r to you"  at which I continued to say the word NEVER over & over again.  I don't even think that word, never mind say it.  Have always hated it from the time I was a little girl of like 7.    NO, he wasn't there to apologize, he tried forcing his way into my condo, thank God I only had the door opened about 4 inches so I was able use my weight & shoulder to close & lock the door getting the sleeve of my bathrobe caught in the door.  I called the police.  They came to find this same guy about to urinate in the hallway near the front of the building.
So the Police arrested him & he resisted arrest after they had him handcuffed.  Resisting 2 police officers while handcuffed.  While one police officer was taking my statement his partner reported that the guy was trying to break one of the backwindows of the cruiser with his feet.
Man, I hate living alone.   Gonna have to go back to work so I can find a bigger place with 2 bathrooms & three bedrooms so I can get me a nice big guy as a room mate to live with me.  I'm a great room mate.  Sorry for the ramble.
You were very lucky that you are not in the hospital or the morgue this morning.  Never open your door - even with a chain across it - because it can be easily booted.  It happened to me, years ago, when a drunk friend just wanted me to open my apt. door so he could talk to me and because I didn't want the neighbours upset,  I put the chain across and opened it only to have him kick the door in - frame and all - then pass out on my floor.  I wasn't standing behind the door as it came crashing down and he didn't hurt me, but I had nightmares for months after that.  I had to call the police, pay for the damages and move so this guy could never find me. Then, a few years later, I was living with a female roommate who broke up with her boyfriend and he came to our door,  drunk and demanding entry.  As I was telling her to not open the door, she told me not to worry because she was just going to tell him to go away and she was keeping the chain on anyway, I knew exactly what was bound to happen but she opened the door, he put his weight against it and as it came down on top of her, I fled out the back door to a friend's house and brought him and some other guys back to find her former boyfriend beating her up.  

Lala's. I don't know if Deepak said anything to her, but Beth went to the internet Cafe while Deepak was working, and stood in front of him and talked to him. Greta ( I think?) caught it on film. Beth said she tried to tempt him the reward money, and tried to appeal to him as a Mother of a missing child. He looked very, very, uncomfortable and reluctant to look at her.

In Aruba, I don't know if they have to keep extending their visas but you never want to be out of country when thing lapses either. That might be why he didn't come here before. Can't apply for a continuation if you are not there.
Does anyone know how much Fox paid Joran for the fluffy thing with Greta ?
As for lawyers on these shows, ask 10 of them the same question, get 10 answers that are different.
Solution : Never ask a lawyer a question.
Deepak also broke the rule that if someone offers you $$$$$$$ cash for something, you take it.  Even more so if what you have to offer has a shelf life. He wanted more than 4 million for his story, give me a break.

I am several pages behind but I have to say...ya'll really believe Rogers transcript???!!
First of all I dont trust Roger but giving him the benefit of the doubt he was given the ARUBAN VERSION of the tape...imo the ALTERED BY ARUBA VERSION of the tape....no we dont have the transcipts from the ORIGINAL TRUE SKEETERS tape, that has not been given out to us on the internet.
DO NOT believe the Rogers/Aruban version transcript....
gees,especially if it does not contain the deepak "slut" ramblings because WE ALL HEARD IT on EVERY MSM program when it came out :!:  :roll:

Well, since you're laughing too, I was just sent this card. It "sleighed" me!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 http://www.thecompassgroup.biz/merryxmas.swf

Leslie:

RUTH DIJKHOFF-HOLTMAN (Holtman is her maiden name)

MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (known as Rita)
(Dijkhoff is her maiden name...
FWIW: Werleman's own the Lighthouse Restaurant and hotels)

Oh and one more thing...Deepak... you are the one that made your life miserable by not helping Natalee when she was in distress.  You could have prevented this by just taking her back to the hotel like she thought you were doing.  You had the power to put her out of that car when you were on the corner and her friends were there.  Whether she was drunk or drugged, all you had to do was leave her with her friends...instead you let Joran make the call.  Now, Joran will let you and Satish pay the price.

Also just another example of how these folks all seem to see the world upside down or inside out or something.

There's gotta be something wrong with those folks.

The poison drop in the Aruban legal system is the failure to punish perjury...(plus no juries), especially in criminal cases. But the acceptance of lying, even in court, sets the stage for the rest of their civil society and everyday life. It is ludicrious. What is the use of the judicial system in a criminal case in a place such as that? Null & void. They may as well just concentrate on corporate law.

Lala's. I don't know if Deepak said anything to her, but Beth went to the internet Cafe while Deepak was working, and stood in front of him and talked to him. Greta ( I think?) caught it on film. Beth said she tried to tempt him the reward money, and tried to appeal to him as a Mother of a missing child. He looked very, very, uncomfortable and reluctant to look at her.

On that tape, Deepak says that if he knew where the body was, he would tell.
I think he would too.
It's hard to determine if Deepak could have anything worthwhile in that regard.

a little hunor this morning....


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 :D

I did not know Greta had said that about the cash thing.
Going to get a tv guide today to see if Phil is on later where I live.

I agree with you completely, Ono.  The lies flow like water around there and no one is called on it.  I'd like to know why the two black security guards have not sued.  Now, if anyone deserves to win a lawsuit for false imprisionment, it's those two.

anyones firewall reporting inbound attempts from these IP addresses in the last hour or so??

64.15.124.85  
64.14.56.77

On that tape, Deepak says that if he knew where the body was, he would tell.
I think he would too.
It's hard to determine if Deepak could have anything worthwhile in that regard.

64.15.124.85 is comeing from youtube

64.15.124.85 is comeing from youtube

anyones firewall reporting inbound attempts from these IP addresses in the last hour or so??

64.15.124.85  
64.14.56.77

where would I get a report like that ?

anyones firewall reporting inbound attempts from these IP addresses in the last hour or so??

64.15.124.85  
64.14.56.77

where would I get a report like that ?

I believe she said that all they pay for are transportation and hotel costs.

http://www.whois.sc/

O/T

I made a folder to my Desktop for Cookies.  Then in between posts here or other places, I manually go through and delete the ones I don't like.  This way I don't have to dump all of them including the ones I want to keep.  Time consuming but sometimes I have time just waiting to see if there will be any more posts and this puts that to use.

Then other times, if I want to, I can just dump the whole bunch of them.


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No matter which way you look at it... various outcomes, yes the Kalpoes are in the worst position. Strategy wise. And money wise at the end of the day.
They must have persons in Aruba or elsewhere who have been encouraging them to file the lawsuit.
Personally, I think the kaploe Bros are headed back to Surinam.
And not by choice.
If the Kalpoes had anything substantive to nail Joran, I think it would have been done. Probably what they have is he said, then I said, and because they have lied so much it reduces it to worthless.

It's not that easy getting into the United States as you might think.  One of the questions the border guards might ask is  "have you ever been arrested?"  Back in 1995, I was with a two other people on Boxing day trying to make a day trip into New York state from Ontario and we were turned back at the border but not till after the car was searched (with a dog) and we were searched.  All because one person in our trio had been arrested years before.  While we were waiting in customs, a carload of young people had been pulled over and trooped in to say they were planning on going skiing in the States.   The border guard asked them how much US money they had on them and their answer wasn't good enough for him and they were denied entry.  
Even a plane ticket doesn't guarantee entrance.  One time, prior to 9/11,
my husband and I were at the Montreal airport on our way to Florida and
US customs kept him for so long it looked like it was going to be a solo trip for me. We barely made the flight.

It's not that easy getting into the United States as you might think.  One of the questions the border guards might ask is  "have you ever been arrested?"  Back in 1995, I was with a two other people on Boxing day trying to make a day trip into New York state from Ontario and we were turned back at the border but not till after the car was searched (with a dog) and we were searched.  All because one person in our trio had been arrested years before.  While we were waiting in customs, a carload of young people had been pulled over and trooped in to say they were planning on going skiing in the States.   The border guard asked them how much US money they had on them and their answer wasn't good enough for him and they were denied entry.  
Even a plane ticket doesn't guarantee entrance.  One time, prior to 9/11,
my husband and I were at the Montreal airport on our way to Florida and
US customs kept him for so long it looked like it was going to be a solo trip for me. We barely made the flight.

Blah:  Leaving Quebec too.  The border quards asks :
1. Where were you born?
2. Where do you live?
3. What is the purpose of your visit to the US?
4. How long will you be staying?
Have a nice trip...

Blah:  Leaving Quebec too.  The border quards asks :
1. Where were you born?
2. Where do you live?
3. What is the purpose of your visit to the US?
4. How long will you be staying?
Have a nice trip...

Would anyone know which Ari-bay video
shows the inside of the Tattoo? TIA!

Florida:  I was trying to respond to your email but it froze my Outlook!  I guess I should not have clicked on reply to email!  I will go over to Outlook Express and answer you.

Oh, you are sweet.  Can you get some kind of bedding straw and put it in a big box, preferably something constructed of wood but if not heavy cardboard or even a cheap ice chest from a mart.  Then kind of snuggle the bedding straw in between them.  IT's just to prevent them from rubbing and bruising each other.

If that is not possible, try getting some absorbent white tissue paper like you put in gift bags just so they won't be rubbing against each other.

I wish I had a tree full of oranges.  :)  I bought a Meyer lemon this year and am praying that we do not get a hard freeze that kills it.

Greta said that they did not pay Joran for the interview.

Tacky's prediction: K2s will walk away from the Dr. Phil suit and will never be deposed.

I DOUBT THAT!

Is there "discovery" in a civil case?

Good Morning, Monkeys,

Have been busy reading all the posts and comments and had just a few random thoughts to share this morning.

Testimony is given in court, depositions taken out of court.  So will the Plaintiffs in the Dr. Phil case be required to give testimony in person?  I would think other parties involved might be allowed to submit depositions only but surely the plaintiffs must appear in person?  This would vary by state and have no idea what California says in this regard.

I'd be interested in knowing how they determine who is going to show up to testify in person and who can be deposed.   I can't imagine the Kalpoe's attorneys would have them NOT show up in person.  What would the jury think?  That Beth really has hired a hitman?  Hopefully there are no crazy Beth supporters who will do anything dumb when these guys get to LA.  We need to discourage any vigilantes if we hear/see of such talk.  That would only be bad for Beth, Truth and Justice.  

Even if Beth is not present, it is going to be difficult to find twelve people in the jury pool, usually taken from registered voters, who have not seen her face.  Compare and contrast with Ratface Boys.  No contest.  I hear Nadira behind all of this pushing, pushing, pushing just as she did for demanding the apology from Beth.  Remember that?  They made Beth apologize for calling those criminals criminals or else they would stop the investigation and even demonstrated in the streets AGAINST the mother of the missing Natalee.  They can't find it in their warped hearts to demonstrate FOR her but did against her.

Few people will have not heard about this case, but many will not have followed it or know that much about it.  If they lose, they'll blame those arrogant Americans.  It's what they do.  The protests against Nancy, Beth and the KIA filming incident is why I don't feel too sorry for the Aruban population in general (although I feel no animosity).  Rather than being concerned about the missing person and a thorough and honest investigation, they close their eyes to the corruption and get offended.  The negative comments about Natalee and Beth are their way of making them "disposable".  Who cares about these people, we have to protect ourselves.  Natalee doesn't matter.  If a prostitute goes missing, if a homeless person dies, it doesn't usually get front page coverage.  If a dishonest obnoxious person with low or no moral standards doesn't get justice, who cares?  So they reduced Natalee and Beth to something beneath themselves.  Something less than what they are.  Made pulling down the shades more palatable to them.  JMO

Don't cry for me, Argentina!

And while juries in that area have been known to side with the bad guys in the past, that was not with Dr. Phil participating in their selection.  This is what he was doing professionally when he met Oprah.  Remember when the buffoons of the Dark Side said she would fire him over this?  Brahahahaha!!  He makes her $50 mil a year and I dare say this is more than any other considerations she might have in this regard.

Oprah would cut the apron strings if she thought Dr. Phil had done something wrong.  If she knows he's on the side of what's good and right and true, she'll back him up with all she's got.  

I also think Greta was truly miffed that Beth went to the Internet Caf
e with another network and that seemed to be a cooling off point between them.  No proof of that, just my perception or over active imagination, whichever you chose to think.

But warped mindset of those on Aruba who see black as white and up as down are behind this.  I still fail to grasp how they think or why they think as they do as it is contrary to all logic and just unfathomable.

They live in a rather insular environment and aren't used to outside scrutiny.  Thus the strong resentment to Beth and the US media.  They also seem to have their own reality going on there.  

And do keep in mind that that transcript as Spooky pointed out is by Roger and the Church ladies so I just can't trust it as I am sure Deepak was given every consideration possible throughout.  Skeeters is a professional at what he does and while his questioning techniques may seem rather flawed, I think he was putting Deepak at ease more than anything, making Deepak think this was not being recorded despite having been told that Skeeters reserved the right to do so at any time.

I think the tape is claimed to have come from ALE and that is the one which sounds funny.  Not like the one played by Skeeters on TV.

I do think someone altered the tape to sound like Skeeters and Dr. Phil were lying.  The question is who?  This concerns me.  Like witnesses changing their statements or statements disappearing.  

We have yet to see any of the computer or cell phone records for Deepak for the night of Natalee's disappearance, right?  Without those, it is difficult to assess much as far as the alleged communications.  When I have time, I will look for Joran also saying they made lots of chatter was his word.  And then recall the virus entered the Sloot computer very timely that night and is was allegedly flooded with other stuff per the report?  What other stuff?  Was it the transmission of an eight and a half minute video of something or other?

Just random thoughts. . . . .


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Maybe on the way out the door from Aruba to Surinam , luggage in hand in the garbage bags, Deepak will " remember" the conversations with Paulus. When he has nothing to lose. If they don't lay any charges by May or June of 2007, then he is almost home free on any lesser charges, isn't he ?
It will be a long time before the Deepak suit goes forward. And there certainly will be alot of blather and mis statement of fact on the networks. Like the former suspect thing.
I am pinning my hopes on Devries. And Jossy. The American Networks
are too concened with the ' entertainment ' value of a program. And sound bites.  
Did I miss any true investigative reporting on this case by Americans ?

Thanks. I think we need it in it's entirety to actually see what is going on.  Maybe Dr. Phil will play the entire tape on his show.  It has a better effect when you actually hear it for yourself.  Sympathy goes right out the door for the poor, pitiful Kalpoes.

Yes, when all this dis-information came up months ago regarding FOX paying for interviews....No payment whatsoever for interviews, period...just expenses.

here is the BOTTOM LINE

Joran did not get rid of the body by himself

so what we have is more than 1 PERSON that knows what happened  


when more than 1 person knows, all are nervous
because they never know when the SNEAKER will drop  :twisted:


it is coming...slowly but surely

never a doubt

In the Dr. Phil suit, Beth won't be sitting at the table, but I'm knitpicking.  But since the tape is the subject of this lawsuit, I'm sure the jury will get to hear his anger, his contempt for the Natalee, his blaming the victim.  I want to hit him with a sledge hammer when he says "you made my life miserable.  You ended it."    Or maybe just give him a doctored drink and drive him somewhere.

Well, IMO if the attorneys for Dr. Phil wanted Beth Holloway Twitty or Dave Holloway to be present during the taking of depositions they could probably be there.  It's their dime, maybe Appeals can tell us that.

This is often said with a straight face by those who HAVE paid bigtime for an interview, but the "goods" are not paid in cash directly to the interviewee.  Their expenses are fully covered, and there are all kinds of ways to funnel money to someone without paying them directly.  Sorry to say.

DING DING DING DING

However, I will add, had Greta been paying the K2 such outrageous funds, why did Mama Kalpoe call the cops on Greta?

Robots know how to keep it simple.  :)  More than one person knows what really happened.  The question, as the wise old owl would say, is WHO WHO WHO.    :?:

One last comment from me about those tapes :
Skeeters is a professional.
Why is the tape so bad ? Looks like an amateur made them. Sound like one too.
Why the controversy about what exactly did Deepak say ?
If the tapes had been done in a more professional manner, it would be
true " evidence " . Not some fodder for entertainment value.

Robots know how to keep it simple.  :)  More than one person knows what really happened.  The question, as the wise old owl would say, is WHO WHO WHO.    :?:

its only a matter of time..

the way that paulus and joran are... wont surprise me when the next time
either one gets in trouble... they stab each other in the back  8)

Tyler:  How about adding to your #3.  Paul and Joran convinced Deepak and Satish that Natalee was a "racist" and she would never have consented to any sexual activity with them, whereas she would have done so willingly with Joran.  
P.S.  Thanks for your kind words in your post about how we all contribute what we can, depending on our abilities and it adds up to great teamwork.

I did not mean to imply that Greta was willing to pay even $1 for anything the K's might have to say.  I was just speaking genericly about the disclaimer often heard that an interview was not paid for.  There was an extensive article which I did not save about how these things are arranged but I don't have the time to find it right now.

Men that look like they don't take no crap. Marine tatoos on the extra large bicep. Gun in holster. Boots. More tatoos . The short cropped hair.
A manner of speaking that demands you listen up real good.  
Don't know how your friend will look. Depends on what she looked like before.
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And as for the American Media... always the teasers and then a little blip of fluff. Didn't the Phil show come out with some chit about her being in a sex slave place ?. Now that was reponsible wasn't it ? There has been quite a bit of mis information in this case. Problem : Aruba not having the same spokeperson and reporters not fact checking before they came on the air and sensationalize with their bits of nonsence and tid bits. And what else, I do not know.
In England and here, evidence is never disclosed by the AG before a case goes to trial. Same kind of laws in Aruba. So, the silence that came from Aruba AG  left it open for the media to say whatever they wanted to.

I wonder if "expenses" include Anita's makeover for her interview with Kimberly.   :shock: I wonder how long that transformation took.   :?:

There is a reason why I don't get Fox. Greta, Geraldo, many more names.
Look at the way they did the John Mark Karr  thing...
Overdone, and sensationalized or just plain C%^P.

DING DING DING DING

However, I will add, had Greta been paying the K2 such outrageous funds, why did Mama Kalpoe call the cops on Greta?

Few people will have not heard about this case, but many will not have followed it or know that much about it. If they lose, they'll blame those arrogant Americans. It's what they do. The protests against Nancy, Beth and the KIA filming incident is why I don't feel too sorry for the Aruban population in general (although I feel no animosity). Rather than being concerned about the missing person and a thorough and honest investigation, they close their eyes to the corruption and get offended. The negative comments about Natalee and Beth are their way of making them "disposable". Who cares about these people, we have to protect ourselves. Natalee doesn't matter. If a prostitute goes missing, if a homeless person dies, it doesn't usually get front page coverage. If a dishonest obnoxious person with low or no moral standards doesn't get justice, who cares? So they reduced Natalee and Beth to something beneath themselves. Something less than what they are. Made pulling down the shades more palatable to them. JMO


from Lilpuma post....

great observation....

No, that doesn't sound like my friend at all.  She has short hair sometimes but cornrows and a weave at other times with lots of tiny long braids.  I think she is too dark to have any tattoos at all as they would not show up.  As for boots and a gun, I am sure there is some sort of standard uniform they are required to wear and not likely reflective of personal taste in dress.

That doesn't sound like any Marines I know, in fact.  Sounds more like stereotyping.  I am surprised a Border Guard uniform would allow for visible biceps in the first place.  Must be warmer on the northern border than the southern one cause you sure can't see that much skin down here.

Of course, Dr. Phil has nothing to do with Fox but if not for Greta and Geraldo, I think we would know far less than we do or nothing at all.  I would imagine it is difficult to fill an hour every night without covering some things some people may not like.  With 24 hour news, all kinds of things get aired that perhaps would not on a network news hour.

Guess that's what the OFF switch is for.

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It's too bad you have decided to not expose yourself to the most unbiased of all the cable networks. FOX is not perfect, but FOX is the truly the most fair and balanced and the most up-to-date of all networks---MSM and Cable, with the news.

Exactly!  Why is it that nothing is exact, precise in this case?
Jamie Skeeters leaving the sliding glass doors open (outside noise)
His bad setting up of the camera just before Deepak comes in.
And, we have no idea what Deepak really said.... :?

Why aren't people asking, "What do you mean by that?"

Did Skeeters & Deepak have an agreement of no recordings?

Klass ... I have been watching/listening for the last hour to the CNN breaking news .....

My thoughts and prayers are with the climbers, rescuers and family members.

A very anxious father of one of the missing climbers spoke a while ago and ... he claims ..... despite the emotional roller coaster .... the families are very hopeful.  The three men were very experienced and .... their survival skills may just be what it takes to see them through this ordeal.

Janet

It's too bad you have decided to not expose yourself to the most unbiased of all the cable networks. FOX is not perfect, but FOX is the truly the most fair and balanced and the most up-to-date of all networks---MSM and Cable, with the news.

I just heard that some of the searchers are going to stay on the mountain through the night.

here is the BOTTOM LINE

Joran did not get rid of the body by himself

so what we have is more than 1 PERSON that knows what happened  


when more than 1 person knows, all are nervous
because they never know when the SNEAKER will drop  :twisted:


it is coming...slowly but surely

never a doubt

A 2nd snow cave found.  One deceased found within.  ID has not been made.

my late finance was left to die... I cry all the time with this time of new.

By the way,,, Keep up the good work, Monkeys.

Can hardly wait for tomorrow for the UPS truck for my Monkey Christmas stein and t-shirt. Should have ordered a sweatshirt.

Darn... I hope they find the others

Neither Kat_Gram or I have said anything that equates to military bashing or anything remotely anti-American.   Sometimes it is amusing to talk about our cultural differences.  I can tell that our harmless stories have affected some of you in a way I would never would have expected.  
I am sorry that I offended you Anna and Ono.  I don't come here to fight.

Fox reporting that the deceased's family has been notified ( from the Sherriff's dept.)

I had hope..........but if it's called off tonight, I don't know.

Blah

I'm still pages behind in my reading, but if no one has addressed the IP numbers listed on the firewall log here's the info:
64.15.124.85
OrgName:    YouTube, Inc.
OrgID:      YOUTU
Address:    71 E Third Ave
Address:    2nd Floor
City:       San Mateo
StateProv:  CA
PostalCode: 94401
Country:    US
radb@youtube.com  this is the only email address listed. There is not "abuse email" address listed

64.14.56.77
Savvis SAVVIS (NET-64-14-0-0-1)
                                  64.14.0.0 - 64.14.255.255
World Now SAVV-S235058-3 (NET-64-14-56-64-1)
                                  64.14.56.64 - 64.14.56.127
Not much info on that.
http://ws.arin.net/whois is the site where you can put in the IP addresses. Am waiting for my log on the firewall to show me where mine are coming from.. if any match, I'll let you know.

Expect alot of hits on all sites... it's the holidays and a great time for the baddies to do fraud.

Good luck

IBE

Looks like a bad day for the Canadians, Geese folks, I'm about as American as it gets, and I totally understood what Kat-Gram was saying.

What's wrong with a U.S. Marine stereotype?

Geese.

My favorite military quote:

Yea, though I walk through the valley of death,

I fear no evil,

For I am that meanest Mutha in the valley.


That's a Marine.

Yes, thanks, CBB.  There's a lot of speculation along with the facts.  Live press now saying no ID. Families are aware.

I understand why, but my heart just sinks that another night is looming and no one will be there to rescue.

It's worrisome that with good weather today, there hasn't been an effort to be seen from the climbers; at least that has been visable to rescuers..

OT

he was preparing for an off road race outside of Calif. City CA on the desert. His teenage son was with him. They were coming back off marked course in the tullies when other car came around a hill, curve had ran into his side. The crew of the other driver came out and got the other driver and went back to base camp. It was rumored that the other driver was on drugs or drunk.

My soulmate, (I think) was left there alone with his son and died of internal injuries. No one called in for help.

I didn't go with him and wish I had. I went back to the site and one could have gone like H. over the dirt roads after they got to them, and been to a phone withing 5 minutes. I would have called Edwards and they could have helicoptered him out. So we had a funeral instead of a wedding.

I still miss him; it was 1982. I know he is OK now.

Thanks for asking, My Monkey Friends.

Gosh, the National Guard spokesman on Fox is almost crying. They don't even know who it is!

This is terrible for all involved.

PS.. he and I always say a gray cloud over our sholders.. I know sounds odd... so carpe is that black circle over the boys should an omen?

ditto-------

glad to have another monkey

my late finance was left to die... I cry all the time with this time of new.

By the way,,, Keep up the good work, Monkeys.

Can hardly wait for tomorrow for the UPS truck for my Monkey Christmas stein and t-shirt. Should have ordered a sweatshirt.

Darn... I hope they find the others

Does anyone know of any media coverage on the case tonight?

Does anyone know of any media coverage on the case tonight?

Possibly on the Lineup at 10pm Eastern

crazy are u pointing out my lack of cut and paste skills?

If i could make roses appear i would!   (  and other things...lol)

FOM..............Where's your avatar? You're all nekky!  :shock:

Normally, the only persons allowed in a deposition are:

The attorneys for all parties
Any and/or all parties to the action
Any non-party deponent that is the deponent giving this deposition

(Remember when Ron Goldman's sister in the OJ case was not allowed in the OJ deposition?)

But the light at the end of this tunnel may be if the judge declares the two cases companion cases.  That might open the door for all parties in both suits to attend all depositions in both cases.  I am not sure just how this would work, might require motions to get the court's approval.  JMHO

FOM..............Where's your avatar? You're all nekky!  :shock:

My prayer is that if the 2 climbers are alive right now, that they make it through the night..........
And tomorrow they be rescued alive.
Comfort and strength to the family who is facing loss.

Well...................post it again, please? We gotta take care of FOM!

u guys r sweet---Klass has done me a ton of favors...being naked is the least of my worries...lol.

Plus...doing massge i am kinda used to it ya know?

Well...................post it again, please? We gotta take care of FOM!

Klaas,

white isn't good for me either... I just didn't look at all of them before I ordered. Ugh.. just a good excuse to order again?

Are there any cookbooks left or reprinting in the future?

Wish nonsuche cookies were on CafePress.. Yum

Thanks All!

IBE

Depends upon which one she wants, lol  :lol:   Her Christmas one where she "sat" on the tree... :lol:

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Or her regular one...

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FOM - just right mouse click and copy the link then go to your profile and paste it into the THIRD option in your profile for avatars.