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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND) => Topic started by: MuffyBee on November 15, 2009, 05:45:11 PM



Title: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2 11/17/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on November 15, 2009, 05:45:11 PM
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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 06:28:51 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Made it


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
made it too!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 17, 2009, 06:29:35 PM
We made it safe and sound!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 17, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
 ::MonkeyBike::  Thanks Klaas.That was super smooth.   


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 06:30:50 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 06:31:37 PM
brb.. testing the monkey bunkeys! 


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ooooooop! 

 ::MonkeyEek:: 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 17, 2009, 06:33:24 PM
Housekeeping O/T: Next thread's already made, Klaas!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 06:33:31 PM
Shaniya Davis' mother pregnant

<snipped>

FAYETTEVILLE, NC (WTVD) -- ABC11 Eyewitness News confirmed Tuesday that the mother of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis is pregnant. Jail officials in Cumberland County said for that reason, Antoinette Davis, 25, was being kept separate from the rest of the prison population.

News of the pregnancy came a day after volunteers found the body of the missing girl in a wooded area near Sanford. She had been the focus of a nationwide Amber Alert since last week.

Antoinette Davis is accused of human trafficking, prostitution and felony child abuse in her daughter's disappearance. Warrants say she provided her daughter with intent that the girl be held in sexual servitude.

Davis showed no emotion during a court appearance in Fayetteville Monday afternoon and she did not enter a plea to the charges.

Shaniya's body was found in an area bordered by Highway 87 south and Walker Road - just south of Sanford - during a second day of searching.

Fayetteville police spokesperson Theresa Chance said the body of a child was located about 100 feet off the road. The state medical examiner positively identified the body Tuesday afternoon.

Authorities are releasing few details about the findings or a cause of death.

Davis' father, Bradley Lockhart, spoke with reporters from the front porch of his home Tuesday afternoon. He asked everyone to remember his daughter, and to work to prevent a similar tragedy from happening again.

"My heart bleeds and hopes and prays that this community, this country can unite as one to possibly prevent something like this from happening again, to another special angel. I ask that everyone makes it a point not to ignore or look past a situation where a person, a child, or anybody might be in danger," he said.

Lockhart thanked all the law enforcement officers and volunteers who put in countless hours in the search for his daughter.

"It's not the result I wanted, or any father would want, but God has a greater calling for all of us," he said.

MORE....

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 06:35:25 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html



Northern Rose,
Thank you for bringing all of the news articles and links. ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 06:36:04 PM
Am hoping that they will allow Antoinette out into the dayroom with her peers for one hour, just one hour, while the guards oooooh I dunno - look the other way - tie their shoes - busy themselves doing something.  Hope that's not a lot to ask.. wish for. 

 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 17, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
I was still reading.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/monkeyguy-reading-1.gif)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: my2cents on November 17, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

So are they saying that Mc Neill is the man that she sold Shaniya to ? Or that there is another man in custody for the purchase that has not been charged yet?..... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 17, 2009, 06:39:52 PM
Now I am wondering what the complaint was about AB's seven year old.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::  I'm sure it was nothing good and I bet child protective there is puckering up right about now.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 17, 2009, 06:39:57 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Am hoping that they will allow Antoinette out into the dayroom with her peers for one hour, just one hour, while the guards oooooh I dunno - look the other way - tie their shoes - busy themselves doing something.  Hope that's not a lot to ask.. wish for. 

 


I suspect all of those other women in the jail are just as angry with Antoinette as we are.
There could be an accident. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 06:40:22 PM
I was still reading.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/monkeyguy-reading-1.gif)

OMG how cute is that! . ::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 17, 2009, 06:41:09 PM
Am hoping that they will allow Antoinette out into the dayroom with her peers for one hour, just one hour, while the guards oooooh I dunno - look the other way - tie their shoes - busy themselves doing something.  Hope that's not a lot to ask.. wish for. 

 
::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 06:41:24 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

So are they saying that Mc Neill is the man that she sold Shaniya to ? Or that there is another man in custody for the purchase that has not been charged yet?..... ::MonkeyConfused::

Sounds to me like they are implying McNeill, yep.. without saying it in so many words. 
 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 06:42:02 PM
Now I am wondering what the complaint was about AB's seven year old.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::  I'm sure it was nothing good and I bet child protective there is puckering up right about now.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

NG last night said it had something to do with serious burns to the 7 year old IIRC.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 17, 2009, 06:42:07 PM
I was still reading.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/monkeyguy-reading-1.gif)

OMG how cute is that! . ::MonkeyDebonaire::

Shhh! I stole it. I think BRANDI made it.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 17, 2009, 06:42:25 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html


I will not be surprised if MM is charged with murder.  I will not be surprised if MM led authorities to Shanyia's remains.

When I consider the charges against AD and ... the locating of Shanyia's remains ... I think both AD and MM are talking and revealing all.

Maybe MM was suppose to bring Shanyia back by 8:00 AM but ... AD called him in a panic and told him about the 911 call and ... a short distance past the hotel Shaniya was silenced and disposed of like trash. 

However ... the observant hotel clerk and ... hotel security cameras had not been anticipated.

These two are the lowest of the low.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 17, 2009, 06:44:13 PM
Am hoping that they will allow Antoinette out into the dayroom with her peers for one hour, just one hour, while the guards oooooh I dunno - look the other way - tie their shoes - busy themselves doing something.  Hope that's not a lot to ask.. wish for. 

 


I suspect all of those other women in the jail are just as angry with Antoinette as we are.
There could be an accident. ::MonkeyTongue::

A really BAD accident.  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 06:45:20 PM
Am hoping that they will allow Antoinette out into the dayroom with her peers for one hour, just one hour, while the guards oooooh I dunno - look the other way - tie their shoes - busy themselves doing something.  Hope that's not a lot to ask.. wish for. 

 


I suspect all of those other women in the jail are just as angry with Antoinette as we are.
There could be an accident. ::MonkeyTongue::

A really BAD accident.  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Wouldn't that be lovely? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 17, 2009, 06:45:46 PM
Guess I will go back to what I was doing.. take care.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 06:45:51 PM
will be interesting to see what NG has to say tonight about it..
HLN is talking about Sarah Palin...real important discussing her darn book when children are missing in the world.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 06:46:11 PM
I was still reading.   (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/monkeyguy-reading-1.gif)

OMG how cute is that! . ::MonkeyDebonaire::

Shhh! I stole it. I think BRANDI made it.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Tis ok Fanny, your secret is safe with ermm all the hundreds, thousands of us.  Not to worry!    ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
Guess I will go back to what I was doing.. take care.

what were you doing?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 17, 2009, 06:49:34 PM
Housekeeping O/T: Next thread's already made, Klaas!    ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks CBB  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 17, 2009, 06:51:14 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.

I never did think it was a hand off. I am still wondering about the 60 yr old man the LE put the description out on. I wonder if he was seen with Shaniya at ANOTHER time. Ok, I just made myself mad again.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 17, 2009, 06:51:21 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=523161980#/pages/Pray-for-Shaniya-Nicole-Davis/177802057491?ref=mf

Pray for Shaniya


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 17, 2009, 06:51:27 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.

I didn't think there was a hand off either.  Yes, they are both sick. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 06:52:28 PM

I will not be surprised if MM is charged with murder.  I will not be surprised if MM led authorities to Shanyia's remains.

When I consider the charges against AD and ... the locating of Shanyia's remains ... I think both AD and MM are talking and revealing all.

Maybe MM was suppose to bring Shanyia back by 8:00 AM but ... AD called him in a panic and told him about the 911 call and ... a short distance past the hotel Shaniya was silenced and disposed of like trash. 

However ... the observant hotel clerk and ... hotel security cameras had not been anticipated.

These two are the lowest of the low.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


I agree, Janet! 

LE said in one report earlier on that MM was doing some talking.....  and then there was "a tip".... then the search.... and in looking at that area Shaniya was found in, my gosh, that had to have been a very specific tip.  My guess is that MM is trying real hard to make some kind of plea bargain to beat the DP.  Hope that doesn't work out for him, no matter what info he's been giving LE. 
   


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 17, 2009, 06:52:45 PM
NR posted this on the last thread


DSS, police probes detailed

<snipped>
He said, though, that he wished the Cumberland County Department of Social Services had notified him about any problems in Davis' home.

DSS looked at Davis with regard to her 7-year-old son, not Shaniya, according to her uncle, Michael Davis. The case was closed, and Antoinette Davis was able to retain custody of the boy, her uncle said.

DSS Director Brenda Jackson declined to comment on her agency's involvement with the Davis family, citing the criminal investigation into Shaniya's death as well as confidentiality rules for child protective services cases.

A search of court records turned up no previous criminal charges against Davis, but she lived at a home on Wall Street in July that police raided. Officers found "narcotics manufacturing materials" in the house, but no one was charged, according to an incident report.

Residents said they had seen Shaniya running around the neighborhood unattended, but her families maintains Davis was a good parent.

"I know she’s a great mom. She’s a great mom. Antoinette really loved her children,” said Davis' uncle, Arthur Cromartie.

Cumberland County Schools officials said Shaniya was a kindergarten student at Morganton Road Elementary School until mid-October, when she was taken out of the school and wasn't enrolled elsewhere.

"We have no knowledge of what the reason was for her being withdrawn from school," Morganton Road Principal Charlotte McLaurin said.

Lockhart said he allowed Shaniya to move in with her mother on Oct. 9.

During a Monday morning interview on CBS' "Early Show," he said Davis had worked to get her life together and had been working for at least six months and gotten a place of her own.

"She had asked if she could be a mother, and I felt she was sincere in asking, and I figured to give her a chance," he said.

Davis worked in the kitchen at Carolina Inn at Village Green, an assisted living facility in Fayetteville.

CES, a South Carolina-based staffing company that has a contract with Carolina Inn, hired her in June 2008 after an extensive background check, an official said. She had a good employment record at both Carolina Inn and the Haymount Nursing Rehabilitation Facility, but she is no longer employed by the company, the official said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6435879/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 06:53:40 PM
911 CALL: Shinaya Davis 911 call from Fayetteville Police Dept

http://www2.wnct.com/nct/news/local/article/911_call_shinaya_davis_911_call_from_fayetteville_police_dept/75988/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 17, 2009, 07:04:38 PM
Guess I will go back to what I was doing.. take care.

Searching....don't go...I just got back and wanted to hear what your thoughts were


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 17, 2009, 07:05:22 PM
Guess I will go back to what I was doing.. take care.

what were you doing?

research on prison populations and the cause there of..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 17, 2009, 07:05:23 PM
Slain NC girl's aunt says she worried about child staying with mother because of neglect

Slain NC girl's aunt says mother was neglectful
1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Carey Lockhart-Davis said Tuesday that the mother, 25-year-old Antoinette Davis, neglected her children. Lockart-Davis is the sister of the girl's father, Bradley Lockhart, and helped raise her. The girl went to stay with her mother a month ago.

Authorities found the body of Shaniya Davis on Monday, though they have declined to say how they died.

Antoinette Davis has been charged with human trafficking and felony child abuse. Her sister has said she doesn't believe the charges.

Another man has been charged with her kidnapping. Police say additional charges could be filed soon.

http://www.newser.com/article/d9c1i8a00/slain-nc-girls-aunt-says-she-worried-about-child-staying-with-mother-because-of-neglect.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 17, 2009, 07:06:37 PM
Guess I will go back to what I was doing.. take care.

what were you doing?

research on prison populations and the cause there of..

interesting.....that could take years!! 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 17, 2009, 07:07:11 PM
Well, that only took me 10 minutes to post  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: Keep getting locked up/out


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 17, 2009, 07:09:06 PM
Well, that only took me 10 minutes to post  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: Keep getting locked up/out

Me too...it makes me so angry....gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tina Bee on November 17, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8209/091117152340resizedshan.th.jpg) (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/091117152340resizedshan.jpg/)

Police have new information in Shaniya Davis case

Although it was no surprise, authorities officially announced today that the body they found on Monday was that of missing 5-year-old Shaniya Davis.

Also today Fayetteville police said they had "new information" about the case, prompting them to cancel a news conference scheduled for this afternoon. Police also reiterated that new, additional charges are expected to be filed in the case.

The only details the police department would reveal prior to this tomorrow's press conference is that they believe Davis was alive when she left the hotel.

The body of 5-year-old Davis was found yesterday in a wooded area off of a North Carolina highway. Police say it was reliable information from a tip that led investigators to where the body was found.

Davis was reported missing from her Fayetteville, NC mobile home park around 7 a.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 10. Her mother says she last saw the girl that morning around 5:30 a.m. She was seen shortly after at a hotel with Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, who was arrested and according to police confessed to her kidnapping.

Authorities have also arrested Antoinette Nicole Davis, Shaniya's mother for human trafficking, child abuse involving prostitution and filing a false police report. She made her first appearance in court on Monday where the judge explained the charges against her, and she requested a court appointed attorney.

Early on in the case police had arrested the mom's boyfriend, Clarence Coe, 30, for kidnapping, but released him after McNeill was arrested.

The press conference has been rescheduled for Wednesday, November 18th, 2009 at 10:00 a.m. It will be held in front of the police station.

http://www.examiner.com/x-28599-Crime--Media-Examiner~y2009m11d17-Police-have-new-information-in-Shaniya-Davis-case


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
I think it's pretty clear what happened here. Shaniya was never going to make it back to dad. We will find out that the egg donor had been prostituting her since she got her. I'm sure there were very obvious, outward signs of abuse. And there's no way they were going to risk getting caught by giving Shaniya back. And they would have. In cases like this, thank God for dumb criminals.
God bless you, Shaniya. This world has become and evil,evil place.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tina Bee on November 17, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
I think it's pretty clear what happened here. Shaniya was never going to make it back to dad. We will find out that the egg donor had been prostituting her since she got her. I'm sure there were very obvious, outward signs of abuse. And there's no way they were going to risk getting caught by giving Shaniya back. And they would have. In cases like this, thank God for dumb criminals.
God bless you, Shaniya. This world has become and evil,evil place.


It's such a sick and scary thought, but I bet it's true. This little girl's fate was sealed weeks ago. All it took was her dad to make a surprise visit, or for someone to care and stop the madness. Sadly that never happened. Poor Shaniya.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 17, 2009, 07:22:57 PM
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8209/091117152340resizedshan.th.jpg) (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/091117152340resizedshan.jpg/)

Police have new information in Shaniya Davis case

Although it was no surprise, authorities officially announced today that the body they found on Monday was that of missing 5-year-old Shaniya Davis.

Also today Fayetteville police said they had "new information" about the case, prompting them to cancel a news conference scheduled for this afternoon. Police also reiterated that new, additional charges are expected to be filed in the case.

The only details the police department would reveal prior to this tomorrow's press conference is that they believe Davis was alive when she left the hotel.

The body of 5-year-old Davis was found yesterday in a wooded area off of a North Carolina highway. Police say it was reliable information from a tip that led investigators to where the body was found.

Davis was reported missing from her Fayetteville, NC mobile home park around 7 a.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 10. Her mother says she last saw the girl that morning around 5:30 a.m. She was seen shortly after at a hotel with Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, who was arrested and according to police confessed to her kidnapping.

Authorities have also arrested Antoinette Nicole Davis, Shaniya's mother for human trafficking, child abuse involving prostitution and filing a false police report. She made her first appearance in court on Monday where the judge explained the charges against her, and she requested a court appointed attorney.

Early on in the case police had arrested the mom's boyfriend, Clarence Coe, 30, for kidnapping, but released him after McNeill was arrested.

The press conference has been rescheduled for Wednesday, November 18th, 2009 at 10:00 a.m. It will be held in front of the police station.

http://www.examiner.com/x-28599-Crime--Media-Examiner~y2009m11d17-Police-have-new-information-in-Shaniya-Davis-case

A RANT!!!!  I detest it when people have no more respect for the dead than to refer to them by their last name only...her name was Shaniya Davis...not just DAVIS you Ahole!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 07:26:47 PM
Okay, my opinion may not be popular and I am way behind on here, but regarding the aunt that took her to the "mom".

She took her with clothes for two days, "mom" calls and says you won't ever see her again..etc. The aunt in my opinion had no legal control over the situation and if the Dad's name is not on the birth certificate, neither did he once they let Shaniyah off at the house. Should they have not taken her there, YES, but once she was there they had NO way to get her back except through the court system.

The aunt and Dad are not blameless, BUT what if the mom had come to the house to get her? She would have every right to take her home and there would be no reason for LE to keep her from getting Shaniyah. 

JMO, JSM  ::MonkeyBike:: BTL


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 17, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
Okay, my opinion may not be popular and I am way behind on here, but regarding the aunt that took her to the "mom".

She took her with clothes for two days, "mom" calls and says you won't ever see her again..etc. The aunt in my opinion had no legal control over the situation and if the Dad's name is not on the birth certificate, neither did he once they let Shaniyah off at the house. Should they have not taken her there, YES, but once she was there they had NO way to get her back except through the court system.

The aunt and Dad are not blameless, BUT what if the mom had come to the house to get her? She would have every right to take her home and there would be no reason for LE to keep her from getting Shaniyah. 

JMO, JSM  ::MonkeyBike:: BTL

You are completely correct.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 07:32:35 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 17, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
I am wondering, and hoping someone can answer my question.

Because there has been talk about drug use, would the jail have tested AD for drugs when the took blood? If they did and she tested positive, could they add extra charges because of the pregnancy?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 07:36:59 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 07:40:56 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


maybe not a legal crime but certainly a moral crime...as we would all agree on that one!
Hi Jess!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 07:41:31 PM

klaas, I am bringing this over here from the last thread and thanks for posting it. I know that I had read an article last night that Shaniya was alive when they left the hotel, but I grew more weary trying to find it again.

Still trying to catch up.

Thanks again, you saved me. I was beginning to think that I had misread or that the article was in error.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898

More charges expected today in Shaniya Davis case

SANFORD - Shaniya Davis was alive when she left a Sanford motel, Fayetteville police said this morning in a news release.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 07:42:38 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Endangering the life of a fetus is a crime in some states, I think.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 07:46:32 PM
Okay, my opinion may not be popular and I am way behind on here, but regarding the aunt that took her to the "mom".

She took her with clothes for two days, "mom" calls and says you won't ever see her again..etc. The aunt in my opinion had no legal control over the situation and if the Dad's name is not on the birth certificate, neither did he once they let Shaniyah off at the house. Should they have not taken her there, YES, but once she was there they had NO way to get her back except through the court system.

The aunt and Dad are not blameless, BUT what if the mom had come to the house to get her? She would have every right to take her home and there would be no reason for LE to keep her from getting Shaniyah. 

JMO, JSM  ::MonkeyBike:: BTL

You are completely correct.

Which brings up the next question of why neither of the egg donors sought legal custody of this child.

Another child that did not stand a chance!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 07:47:57 PM
Endangering the life of a fetus hasn't been a crime since Roe v. Wade.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 07:50:20 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Endangering the life of a fetus is a crime in some states, I think.

its not a crime to take drugs while pregnant.  the reason its not kinda goes back to the whole "when does life begin?" debate.  if taking drugs while pregnant was criminalized it would bring up major problems with abortion laws, roe vs. wade and all sorts of stuff.  we get calls all the time from people that want to report women who are pregnant for child abuse/neglect, but until the baby is born there is nothing we can do about it unless there are other living children in the home and the mother is using drugs.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 07:50:48 PM
I think it's pretty clear what happened here. Shaniya was never going to make it back to dad. We will find out that the egg donor had been prostituting her since she got her. I'm sure there were very obvious, outward signs of abuse. And there's no way they were going to risk getting caught by giving Shaniya back. And they would have. In cases like this, thank God for dumb criminals.
God bless you, Shaniya. This world has become and evil,evil place.


Those are my thoughts as well JessStar.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 07:52:14 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Endangering the life of a fetus is a crime in some states, I think.

its not a crime to take drugs while pregnant.  the reason its not kinda goes back to the whole "when does life begin?" debate.  if taking drugs while pregnant was criminalized it would bring up major problems with abortion laws, roe vs. wade and all sorts of stuff.  we get calls all the time from people that want to report women who are pregnant for child abuse/neglect, but until the baby is born there is nothing we can do about it unless there are other living children in the home and the mother is using drugs.


Pregnant South Carolina Women Go to Jail for Drug Use | Pregnancy ... Oct 27, 2009 ... Should Pregnant Drug Users Be Jailed For Endangering the Fetus? ... should be prosecuted for endangering the life of their unborn child? ...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 07:55:48 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.
Sorry, I am not smart so I don't know the ins and outs of the law. My mistake, that is why I lurk.

But it happened to a friend of mine who was raising her nephew. The parents show up and there was nothing she could do but give him to the parents. Sorry for the confusion.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
drug use is illegal whether preggers are not...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 07:56:36 PM
Hello evrybody, just got caught up reading,   I guess we still dont know the cause of death here, but I bet I can guess, these people make me sick....And I think the same way, thats the reason the egg donor wanted Shaniya back to begin with...she was probably happy to have the Dad raise her until she found out she could make money off from her and then thats when she out on the goody goody act to gain his trust and get her back......she makes me ill listening to her on the 911 call also.....piece of crap.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 07:58:13 PM
Endangering the life of a fetus hasn't been a crime since Roe v. Wade.
Endangering the life of a fetus, but what about if the baby is born alive with drugs in their system? Is that not a crime?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 17, 2009, 08:00:12 PM
Nancy Grace is on now.

5:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:00:33 PM
Endangering the life of a fetus hasn't been a crime since Roe v. Wade.
Endangering the life of a fetus, but what about if the baby is born alive with drugs in their system? Is that not a crime?
That is a crime, as soon as the baby is born and if he or she is born addicted to drugs...yes here where im from it is a crime..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
Shaniya Davis' Mothers' 911 Call Released By Investigators

Fayetteville, NC -- Fayetteville Police say more charges will be filed in the death of five-year-old Shaniya Davis. However they haven't released specific details.

Search crews found Davis' body yesterday afternoon in a wooded area outside of Sanford. Davis' mother, Antoinette Davis, reported her missing last Tuesday, but has now been charged with child abuse and human trafficking.

Earlier today, Fayetteville police released the 911 call Davis made to police.

ANTIONETTE: I woke up this morning and my daughter was not in the house. I don't know if she walked out or I don't know what's going on but she's not here.
911: How old is your daughter?
ANTIONETTE: She's five.

911: Have you checked the neighborhood?
ANTOINETTE: I've checked everywhere. I haven't checked the back end of the neighborhood yet, but I've checked the front end. I'm just...I don't know what else to do, I'm so...I don't know what else to do.

A memorial fund has been established in Shaniya's name.
An autopsy is being conducted to determine how she died.
Funeral services are being planned.

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=133316&catid=57


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
Endangering the life of a fetus hasn't been a crime since Roe v. Wade.
Endangering the life of a fetus, but what about if the baby is born alive with drugs in their system? Is that not a crime?

it's not a crime but its a good way to get your child taken away from you and placed with a relative or placed in foster care.  you wont get arrested for it tho unless you are found with drugs in the hospital while giving birth or something, but if you and/or the baby test positive you can get arrested.  you will have social services called on u immediately tho.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: flamom on November 17, 2009, 08:02:17 PM
What does the law say?
Currently there is only one state, South Carolina, that holds prenatal substance abuse as a criminal act of child abuse and neglect. Other states have laws that address prenatal substance abuse:

Iowa, Minnesota, and North Dakota's health care providers are required to test for and report prenatal drug exposure. Virginia health care providers are only required to test.
Arizona, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Utah, and Rhode Island's health care providers are required to report prenatal drug exposure. Reporting and testing can be evidence used in child welfare proceedings.
Some states consider prenatal substance abuse as part of their child welfare laws. Therefore prenatal drug exposure can provide grounds for terminating parental rights because of child abuse or neglect. These states include: Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Some states have policies that enforce admission to an inpatient treatment program for pregnant women who use drugs. These states include: Minnesota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.
In 2004, Texas made it a felony to smoke marijuana while pregnant, resulting in a prison sentence of 2-20 years.
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyhealth/illegaldrugs.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
Good Evening Monkey Friends ::MonkeyCool::
I think someone else was at the Comfort Inn when  MM took Shaniya there, I guess I just have my doubts that this scum would spend the money for a room, when the non caring egg donor could have easily let him do what he wanted right there in the mobile home. Idk I still have question that someone else was at the Comfort Inn.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:02:42 PM
Did NG just say that Coe has visited AD in jail?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 08:03:25 PM
Endangering the life of a fetus hasn't been a crime since Roe v. Wade.
Endangering the life of a fetus, but what about if the baby is born alive with drugs in their system? Is that not a crime?
That is a crime, as soon as the baby is born and if he or she is born addicted to drugs...yes here where im from it is a crime..
Thanks HH, I thought it was a crime, or at least it is here.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: flamom on November 17, 2009, 08:04:19 PM
I hope that helps.. I shall jump back up into the rafters now.. Love to all of you Monkeys!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:04:37 PM
Did NG just say that Coe has visited AD in jail?
Yes she did......WTH


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 08:06:44 PM
Good Evening Monkey Friends ::MonkeyCool::
I think someone else was at the Comfort Inn when  MM took Shaniya there, I guess I just have my doubts that this scum would spend the money for a room, when the non caring egg donor could have easily let him do what he wanted right there in the mobile home. Idk I still have question that someone else was at the Comfort Inn.
I asked that question last night mymonkey. Semi posh hotel for him to be taking her to for just an hour or two for himself. I think that there was someone else waiting in one of the rooms. JMO JSM BTL


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 08:06:59 PM
Please don't take this sarcastic, because it's not meant to be. But once a baby is born alive, the baby is no longer a fetus, so that's a different issue altogether.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 08:07:03 PM
The 911 call AD said 5:30 last night I question now did she intend to say this until the dispatcher corrected her, was AD going to give a different story? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 08:07:50 PM
Good Evening Monkey Friends ::MonkeyCool::
I think someone else was at the Comfort Inn when  MM took Shaniya there, I guess I just have my doubts that this scum would spend the money for a room, when the non caring egg donor could have easily let him do what he wanted right there in the mobile home. Idk I still have question that someone else was at the Comfort Inn.
You are not alone, I feel the same way.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 08:08:04 PM
I hope that helps.. I shall jump back up into the rafters now.. Love to all of you Monkeys!
Thanks it did help. I thought it was a crime here, but I guess just a reason to get a baby taken away. Thanks. Flying to the rafters with you.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 08:08:07 PM
Good Evening Monkey Friends ::MonkeyCool::
I think someone else was at the Comfort Inn when  MM took Shaniya there, I guess I just have my doubts that this scum would spend the money for a room, when the non caring egg donor could have easily let him do what he wanted right there in the mobile home. Idk I still have question that someone else was at the Comfort Inn.

that makes sense...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
I hope that helps.. I shall jump back up into the rafters now.. Love to all of you Monkeys!
Thanks flamom......stay and talk with us...dont hang in the rafters...lol


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:10:34 PM
The 911 call on NG right now, I swore when AD was describing what Shaniya was wearing she started to say "she was wearing a blue velvet..... a blue shirt"

I think she damn well knew she was wearing the blue velvet dress we are seeing in the elevator images as she dressed up nice and pretty. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 08:10:57 PM
It Pizz me off when a mother says they do not know how much their child weighs ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
Hey, Monkeys......didnt we read here and hear that Shaniya had a big scar on her foot....did we ever know what happened there??   we need to see if we cant find something out about that to....wonder if that happened at the hands of the Mother too...we need to find out about that scar...it must be pretty big if they used it as identifying messures....hmm


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
Jesus! how many times does the mom <<<used loosely>>> have to tell 911 that Shaniya knew how to unlock the doors! NG  just said it ! she must be logged onto here! tee hee!

anyways...I believe that the mom meant the 5:30 p.m. time till the operator corrected her...someone else on here had said this earlier as well...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:12:57 PM
Shaniya Davis' death is second tragedy for the child's father

By Gregory Phillips, The Fayetteville *******, N.C.

Nov. 17--The death of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis is the second time her father, Bradley Wayne Lockhart, has dealt with tragedy.

In 1998, Lockhart's wife of seven years was murdered along with her 19-year-old sister at a home on Graham Road. The two women were bound, gagged and shot with a shotgun in what police said was a robbery.

Three others were also shot; one, 24-year-old David Epps, also died.

Lockhart and his wife, Vickie Sue Lockhart, had three children together. Since the murders, the children have mostly stayed with their grandparents in the Remington subdivision behind Seventy-First High School.

"We've had a lot of tragedy in our family," said Byron Coleman, the father of Vickie Sue Lockhart and Channel Coleman. That's about all he could bring himself to say, after the discovery of Shaniya's body Monday near Sanford.

Two men were later convicted and sentenced to life in prison for the 1998 killings.

Shaniya had spent most of the past three or four years living with Bradley Lockhart at his home in northern Cumberland County. Lockhart has said he didn't have much of a relationship with Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Davis.

Last month, Lockhart let Shaniya live with her mother after she had appeared to get her life together, he said. Davis and another man are now implicated in Shaniya's disappearance.

Byron Coleman and his 13-year-old grandson helped in the search for Shaniya, which began Sunday morning along N.C. 87.

Coleman said he also spent Saturday night driving back roads between Sanford and Siler City looking for any sign of Shaniya. The former Marine said he had talked to officials at Camp Lejeune about helping with the search about an hour before Shaniya's body was found.

"It made my stomach just turn," said Phyllis Coleman, Byron's wife, of hearing the news. "It was heartbreaking to us ... We loved Shaniya, too."

The Colemans said Bradley and Vickie Sue Lockhart's three children -- Byron III, 20; Cheyenne, 17; and 13-year-old Chivas -- are handling the loss of Shaniya as well as they can. They are Shaniya's half-siblings.

"Cheyenne just broke up," Phyllis Coleman said. "That was the only sister she ever had."

Staff writer Gregory Phillips can be reached at phillipsg@fayobserver.com or 486-3596.

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/137877100


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:13:49 PM
Good Evening Monkey Friends ::MonkeyCool::
I think someone else was at the Comfort Inn when  MM took Shaniya there, I guess I just have my doubts that this scum would spend the money for a room, when the non caring egg donor could have easily let him do what he wanted right there in the mobile home. Idk I still have question that someone else was at the Comfort Inn.
You are not alone, I feel the same way.

ITA.  He was either taking Shaniya so he got the profit, or was sharing the profit with AD.  Either way they are both scum.  I still think we will hear about the 60 year old in the future.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 08:14:19 PM
It Pizz me off when a mother says they do not know how much their child weighs ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

me too!

it sounds like Shaniya had the long blue t shirt on when she was last seen by the mom and it appears to be the same thing that she had on when video saw her with MM...and when she was found


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
Jesus! how many times does the mom <<<used loosely>>> have to tell 911 that Shaniya knew how to unlock the doors! NG  just said it ! she must be logged onto here! tee hee!

anyways...I believe that the mom meant the 5:30 p.m. time till the operator corrected her...someone else on here had said this earlier as well...

I said that also Cookie, that jumped out to me and I think AD was just going along with morning since the 911 operator said it.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:16:12 PM
The 911 call on NG right now, I swore when AD was describing what Shaniya was wearing she started to say "she was wearing a blue velvet..... a blue shirt"

I think she damn well knew she was wearing the blue velvet dress we are seeing in the elevator images as she dressed up nice and pretty. 

Shaniya had on an oversized navy blue t-shirt (possibly long sleeve). I least that is what I think I saw in the pics.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Ariana on November 17, 2009, 08:17:13 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

 
You can give your kids to anyone to raise, just get a certified letter saying you are giving guardianship to so and so and that is all that person needs to be able to receive government assistance, file them on taxes, register them in school, take them to the doctor, etc.  But unless the papers are filed in a court giving them legal guardianship you can go get your kid back at any time and there isn't jack that the person that was raising them can do without taking you to court to get the child/ren back which we all know takes time and money.  So he could be legally presumed Shaniya's father because he has done all this stuff but he would still only be able to get her back by taking the mother to court, which if he had filed right away (and he said it was his descision to give her to her mom) he would still be waiting for that court day that would never come now, because it takes months.  And only then would his legal right to her, birth certificate or no, then be decided.  Shaniya never had a chance.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Published: 07:41 PM, Tue Nov 17, 2009

A community grieves, but where are mom's tears?

Bill Kirby
 

Timidly, she stood before the judge. She wore a tan detention garment, and she was surrounded by five deputies.

"Are you Antoinette Davis?" District Court Judge Talmadge Baggett asked.

Yes, she acknowledged.

"You are charged with two felonies," the judge said during Davis' first appearance in court Monday. "Do you understand?"

Antoinette Davis had little expression.

"Yes sir," she said.

Baggett continued to read the accusations against the 25-year-old mother, when a lawyer, Susan Hall, requested the judge forego reading the charges.

The judge gave pause. Not for long. No, he ruled.

These were charges of human trafficking and felony child abuse involving prostitution, and this was the child's mother who was being arraigned.

This, the judge reasoned, was a heinous crime. This, the judge deemed, was an egregious crime. This arraignment, the judge understood, was about an innocent child - a victim of evil ways.

Good for this judge.

This is about as despicable a crime as Cumberland County has come to know; as 5-year-old Shaniya Nicole Davis' body was discovered just an hour earlier Monday in a wooded area off N.C. 87 in Lee County.

Antoinette Davis is the child's mother, who reported her daughter missing in the early morning hours nine days ago from the mobile home park where the family lived, just off Murchison Road.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, is charged with first-degree kidnapping, after police say he admitted to being in a Sanford hotel some 40 minutes after the mother reported last seeing her daughter.

Antoinette Davis, as she listened to the judge, nervously clasped her hands. She munched her lips.

She knew, according to a sheriff's department spokeswoman, that a child's body had been found.

There was no emotion from Antoinette Davis inside the Cumberland County Detention Center, where the judge scheduled a probable cause hearing for Dec. 3 and appointed her a public defender.

There were no tears.

Just a countenance of the surreal across her face before being led back to a 10 by 8 jail cell with a cot, toilet and sink/water fountain.

Outside, an aunt grieved.

"She's only five," Yvonne Mitchell, 36, said about little Shaynia, who was identified Tuesday as the lifeless child discovered in the woods south of Sanford. "What could she have done? This is a child."

Yet, Mitchell says the family stands behind Antoinette Davis, who is accused of - forget the legal terms - offering her child for sexual servitude.

"Maybe she met somebody crazy," she said. "But I don't think she had anything to do with it."

Meanwhile, the words of Bradley Lockhart, the child's distraught father, should haunt us most.

"Drop her off at a hospital, a police station," he pleaded Monday on national television. "At a Walmart."

It was evil enough to take this defenseless child from her home for sexual bondage, but to take her innocent life and leave it like garbage among kudzu and deer carcasses ...

... She was, for God's sake, a kid with a cute smile and dashing brown eyes who weighed 40 pounds.

It's unconscionable.

And unforgivable.
Bill Kirby can be reached at kirbyb@fayobserver.com or 323-4848, ext. 486.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953042


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 08:20:03 PM
What does the law say?
Currently there is only one state, South Carolina, that holds prenatal substance abuse as a criminal act of child abuse and neglect. Other states have laws that address prenatal substance abuse:

Iowa, Minnesota, and North Dakota's health care providers are required to test for and report prenatal drug exposure. Virginia health care providers are only required to test.
Arizona, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Utah, and Rhode Island's health care providers are required to report prenatal drug exposure. Reporting and testing can be evidence used in child welfare proceedings.
Some states consider prenatal substance abuse as part of their child welfare laws. Therefore prenatal drug exposure can provide grounds for terminating parental rights because of child abuse or neglect. These states include: Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Some states have policies that enforce admission to an inpatient treatment program for pregnant women who use drugs. These states include: Minnesota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.
In 2004, Texas made it a felony to smoke marijuana while pregnant, resulting in a prison sentence of 2-20 years.
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyhealth/illegaldrugs.html

For those interested in the most updated summary of the law in every state, see http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/drugexposedall.pdf

You'll quickly see that the law requires the birth of the child as a prerequisite to the crime.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
Jesus! how many times does the mom <<<used loosely>>> have to tell 911 that Shaniya knew how to unlock the doors! NG  just said it ! she must be logged onto here! tee hee!

anyways...I believe that the mom meant the 5:30 p.m. time till the operator corrected her...someone else on here had said this earlier as well...

I said that also Cookie, that jumped out to me and I think AD was just going along with morning since the 911 operator said it.

I knew that someone had said it but I couldn't remember who it was...


has anyone done a background check on Dad? just out of curiosity...I  tried to do one but there was a charge so I didn't do it...I am sure that he is clean..
just makes me wonder why a guy like him would have unprotected sex with a prostitute...a 1 night stand as he put it...
not trying to bash the dad, just nosy I guess...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: texasmom on November 17, 2009, 08:20:48 PM
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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 08:22:07 PM
I also think someone else was at the comfort inn. And what ever happen about the 60 ish year old man driving a blue toyota what is up with that why has nothing been said about that? Or has it and I just don't know about it?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:23:24 PM
OMG...thats a beautiful picture Texas....look how nice and clean and well cared for she is...and again.,,,,,,nothing wrong with her ears here either...thats why I said I think that was the ends of MM hair in the pict in the hotel or the light reflecting off the earring in her ear...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 08:24:43 PM
So did I just read that the egg donor was a prositute when she got preggo with shaniya?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 17, 2009, 08:24:46 PM
I also think someone else was at the comfort inn. And what ever happen about the 60 ish year old man driving a blue toyota what is up with that why has nothing been said about that? Or has it and I just don't know about it?

It may have been a false tip, we just don't know.  Keep in mind that even after her body was found they were getting tips that she was seen alive places.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 08:26:19 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

 
You can give your kids to anyone to raise, just get a certified letter saying you are giving guardianship to so and so and that is all that person needs to be able to receive government assistance, file them on taxes, register them in school, take them to the doctor, etc.  But unless the papers are filed in a court giving them legal guardianship you can go get your kid back at any time and there isn't jack that the person that was raising them can do without taking you to court to get the child/ren back which we all know takes time and money.  So he could be legally presumed Shaniya's father because he has done all this stuff but he would still only be able to get her back by taking the mother to court, which if he had filed right away (and he said it was his descision to give her to her mom) he would still be waiting for that court day that would never come now, because it takes months.  And only then would his legal right to her, birth certificate or no, then be decided.  Shaniya never had a chance.

Sorry, Ariana.  After 16 years of practicing law, I have to disagree with you.  You're talking about something completely different.  You're talking about turning over legal guardianship to someone, not a determination of parenthood.  No one contested that the dad was the dad.  And if he had a hint that Shaniya was in danger, he could have filed for a TRO and had the child back within an hour.  Now, I'm just talking from my experience, which might not be the same everywhere.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:30:33 PM
well papers or no papers ......custody or no custody...if I thought for one second that my child was in danger at the hands of this woman.....trust me....I would have gone there and gotten my child back,,,,,one way or the other.....it might have not been legal...but I would have her.......promise you that,.......been there...done that.......


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 08:30:45 PM
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Now we know what Angels look like... ::MonkeyAngel::I have never seen a more beautiful child. I know God held her in his arms  and took away the pain while these monsters did what they did to her...that is my prayer for Shaniya. I also think this horrific crime will bring changes in our laws I think Shaniya's family will see to it.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:30:47 PM
No murder charge yet in girl's death

Shaniya Nicole Davis

Posted: Today at 5:34 a.m.

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — A week after a 5-year-old Fayetteville girl disappeared and a day after her body was found near Sanford, police are still trying to sort out the evidence in the case to determine who to charge in her death.

Shaniya Nicole Davis was reported missing from her home, at 1116-A Sleepy Hollow Drive, by her mother last Tuesday morning. Volunteer searchers found a body Monday afternoon in some woods off N.C. Highway 87 near the Lee-Harnett county line.

On Tuesday, the State Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that the body was Shaniya's. No cause of death has been released.

Two people have been arrested in Shaniya's disappearance – charges against a third person were dropped – but no one has been charged with killing her.

Police said one issue holding up any charges is the question of jurisdiction in the murder case. Prosecutors must prove where a slaying occurred.

Lee County authorities have referred all questions to the Fayetteville Police Department. The department plans to address the media at 10 a.m. Wednesday, but it's unclear whether new charges will be announced then.
Two held in disappearance

Police arrested Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, on Friday and charged him with first-degree kidnapping in the case. Investigators said McNeill has admitted to taking Shaniya from her home, and hotel security video from a Comfort Suites in Sanford last Tuesday appears to show him carrying her.

Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Nicole Davis, 25, was arrested late Saturday and charged with human trafficking, felony child abuse–prostitution, filing a false police report and obstructing a police investigation. Arrest warrants state that Davis "did knowingly provide Shaniya with the intent that she be held in sexual servitude" and she "did permit an act of prostitution with Shaniya."

In a 911 call released Tuesday, Davis was hysterical when she told a dispatcher that her daughter was missing.

"I woke up this morning, and my daughter was not in the house. I don't know if she walked out. I don't know what going on, but she's not here," Davis said.

Later in the nearly three-minute call, her voice is completely calm as she noted twice that Shaniya knew how to unlock the front door.

"I'm telling you she knows how to unlock it. I'm hoping that she didn't unlock it and walk out," Davis told the dispatcher.

Both McNeill and Davis are being held in isolation at the Cumberland County Detention Center for their protection, authorities said.

Authorities confirmed Tuesday that Davis is pregnant and that Clarence Coe is the father of the child.

Davis initially accused Coe of kidnapping Shaniya, but police dismissed the charge and released him from jail after determining the information to be false and then arresting McNeill.

Shaniya's father, Bradley Lockhart, thanked everyone Tuesday afternoon for their prayers and support and thanked the Fayetteville police, other law enforcement officers and volunteers who helped find his daughter.

"It's not the result I wanted. It's not the result any father or family would want for their children," Lockhart said. "My heart hopes and bleeds and prays that this community (and) this country can possibly unite as one to prevent something like this from happening again to another special angel."

As he stood amid a shrine of flowers and teddy bears in his front yard, he said he was "appalled and disgusted" about the possibility that his daughter was sold as a sex slave.

Lockhart's sister, Carey Lockhart-Davis, urged people to help any child they see who might be in danger.

"Don't let another innocent bystander go unnoticed because we, as adults, fail to realize that they depend on us for safety and trust," Lockhart-Davis said as she choked back tears. "To every pedophile, every person who thinks of taking a child, please beware . I'll be watching."

She said she felt "robbed" because her special bond with her niece has been broken. She recalled helping Shaniya learn how to tie her shoes and color pictures.

"She had such a wonderful, kind soul, and her spirit and smile brightened every day of everyone she touched," she said.

Shaniya's death is the second family tragedy for Lockhart. Eleven years ago, his former wife, Vicki Lockhart, was one of three people killed in a home invasion in Cumberland County.

Although Lockhart said he would try to forgive Davis for Shaniya's disappearance and death, his sister said she never cared for Davis and how she cared for her children.

"Never have I allowed my children to live in an environment that was unsafe," Lockhart-Davis said.

Lockhart said he didn't want to blame anyone for Shaniya's death, saying he could have done things differently himself.

"Every parent would blame themselves. We all look within ourselves to see what we could have done differently," he said.
DSS, police probes detailed

He said, though, that he wished the Cumberland County Department of Social Services had notified him about any problems in Davis' home.

DSS looked at Davis with regard to her 7-year-old son, not Shaniya, according to her uncle, Michael Davis. The case was closed, and Antoinette Davis was able to retain custody of the boy, her uncle said.

DSS Director Brenda Jackson declined to comment on her agency's involvement with the Davis family, citing the criminal investigation into Shaniya's death as well as confidentiality rules for child protective services cases.

A search of court records turned up no previous criminal charges against Davis, but she lived at a home on Wall Street in July that police raided. Officers found "narcotics manufacturing materials" in the house, but no one was charged, according to an incident report.

Residents said they had seen Shaniya running around the neighborhood unattended, but Davis' family maintains she was a good parent.

"I know she’s a great mom. She’s a great mom. Antoinette really loved her children,” said Davis' uncle, Arthur Cromartie.

Cumberland County Schools officials said Shaniya was a kindergarten student at Morganton Road Elementary School until mid-October, when she was taken out of the school and wasn't enrolled elsewhere.

"We have no knowledge of what the reason was for her being withdrawn from school," Morganton Road Principal Charlotte McLaurin said.

Lockhart said he allowed Shaniya to move in with her mother on Oct. 9.


During a Monday morning interview on CBS' "Early Show," he said Davis had worked to get her life together and had been working for at least six months and gotten a place of her own.

"She had asked if she could be a mother, and I felt she was sincere in asking, and I figured to give her a chance," he said.

According to court records, Lockhart has five other children with three women. He has had custody and child support disputes involving several of the children, but there was no record of any disputes involving Shaniya or Antoinette Davis.

Davis worked in the kitchen at Carolina Inn at Village Green, an assisted living facility in Fayetteville.

CES, a South Carolina-based staffing company that has a contract with Carolina Inn, hired her in June 2008 after an extensive background check, an official said. She had a good employment record at both Carolina Inn and the Haymount Nursing Rehabilitation Facility, but she is no longer employed by the company, the official said.

    * Reporters: Bryan Mims, Amanda Lamb

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6435879/
    * Photographers: Michael Joyner, Terry Cantrell, Greg Clark
    * Web Editor: Matthew Burns


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 08:33:41 PM
Idk the more I read the more I am thinking that shaniya was at that motel from 5 30 the night before ad called 911. I swear I am thinking that more and more. He found out he was caught on tape and knew what he and maybe someone else had done to poor little shaniya. And he had had to kill her because she is old enough to talk. Idk jmo at this moment


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 08:35:02 PM
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Thanks TM,
She is a gorgeous child!!

The Aunt always fixed her cute.  Not so with old Antionette.

It hardly looks like the same child we saw at the elevator.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 08:35:27 PM
well papers or no papers ......custody or no custody...if I thought for one second that my child was in danger at the hands of this woman.....trust me....I would have gone there and gotten my child back,,,,,one way or the other.....it might have not been legal...but I would have her.......promise you that,.......been there...done that.......

A-fricken-men HH.  You and me alike.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:37:12 PM
Police said one issue holding up any charges is the question of jurisdiction in the murder case. Prosecutors must prove where a slaying occurred.

Lee County authorities have referred all questions to the Fayetteville Police Department. The department plans to address the media at 10 a.m. Wednesday, but it's unclear whether new charges will be announced then.
Two held in disappearance

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6435879/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:38:24 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

 
You can give your kids to anyone to raise, just get a certified letter saying you are giving guardianship to so and so and that is all that person needs to be able to receive government assistance, file them on taxes, register them in school, take them to the doctor, etc.  But unless the papers are filed in a court giving them legal guardianship you can go get your kid back at any time and there isn't jack that the person that was raising them can do without taking you to court to get the child/ren back which we all know takes time and money.  So he could be legally presumed Shaniya's father because he has done all this stuff but he would still only be able to get her back by taking the mother to court, which if he had filed right away (and he said it was his descision to give her to her mom) he would still be waiting for that court day that would never come now, because it takes months.  And only then would his legal right to her, birth certificate or no, then be decided.  Shaniya never had a chance.

Not all states assume biology to mean legal father.  From a quick scan North Carolina does not have a putative father registry . 

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/probate/registrylist.pdf

http://www.eriksmith.org/content/Memo/default.asp?id=43

http://www.onevoicenosecrets.org/main/content/view/23/28/

The Rights of Presumed (Putative) Fathers
State Statutes Series
Author(s):  Child Welfare Information Gateway
 
Current Through October 2007

The number of nonmarital births in recent decades has led to an increased focus on the fathers of these children. Many of these alleged (or reputed or putative) fathers of nonmarital children seek recognition of their legal rights and expanded roles in the upbringing of their children.

Constitutional Rights

Historically, putative fathers have had fewer rights with regard to their children than either unwed mothers or married parents. Over the past several decades, putative fathers have used the Fourteenth Amendment to challenge the termination of their parental rights when the birth mothers relinquish their children for adoption. Nevertheless, States have almost complete discretion to determine the rights of a putative father at termination of parental rights or adoption proceedings.

The U.S. Supreme Court has affirmed the constitutional protection of a putative father's parental rights when he has established a substantial relationship with his child. The Court defined a substantial relationship as the existence of a biological link between the child and putative father, and it defined the father's commitment to the responsibilities of parenthood as participating in the child's upbringing.1

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/putative.cfm

From what I am reading , North Carolina is behind in this area and JSM is correct, the father could do absolutely nothing if the mother showed up and took Shaniya from him if he did not establish with the courts that he was the father.  Because every article indicates that Brad and AD had an informal arrangement in regards to Shaniya I am betting he never filed with the courts that he was the father.  Again my scan has not been in depth so I could be looking at outdated info but I do not think there was anything that could have been done once AD told Carey that she would never see Shaniya again without involvement of the courts.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 08:38:58 PM
And she took her out of school just because she knew that shaniya would tell the horriable things that her mom was putting her through. Jeez I hope she gets what she deserves FAST


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: joesamas mama on November 17, 2009, 08:39:51 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

 
You can give your kids to anyone to raise, just get a certified letter saying you are giving guardianship to so and so and that is all that person needs to be able to receive government assistance, file them on taxes, register them in school, take them to the doctor, etc.  But unless the papers are filed in a court giving them legal guardianship you can go get your kid back at any time and there isn't jack that the person that was raising them can do without taking you to court to get the child/ren back which we all know takes time and money.  So he could be legally presumed Shaniya's father because he has done all this stuff but he would still only be able to get her back by taking the mother to court, which if he had filed right away (and he said it was his descision to give her to her mom) he would still be waiting for that court day that would never come now, because it takes months.  And only then would his legal right to her, birth certificate or no, then be decided.  Shaniya never had a chance.

Sorry, Ariana.  After 16 years of practicing law, I have to disagree with you.  You're talking about something completely different.  You're talking about turning over legal guardianship to someone, not a determination of parenthood.  No one contested that the dad was the dad.  And if he had a hint that Shaniya was in danger, he could have filed for a TRO and had the child back within an hour.  Now, I'm just talking from my experience, which might not be the same everywhere.


But the Dad wasn't there at the time, the Aunt was and that is what I think Ariana and I are talking about. The Aunt had no legal authority to go and get the little girl because the "mom" was the parent, not the Aunt.

Sorry not trying to speak for Ariana.

I am not a very smart monkey, but I know here no matter what paperwork you have, if CPS hasn't given you custody of a child, then you have no rights and the parents have them.





Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 08:39:58 PM
JessStar I was trying to quote your post about the dad filing a TRO and could have had Shaniya back within the hour, I'm not sure what that is. But I can't believe that the dad and the aunt and other family members didn't see the problems. There is no bringing Shaniya back, and I don't want to say anything that looks like I'm slamming them, but something seems off with all this. Maybe they thought if they didn't let Shaniya stay, the mom would have taken off with her, and then they wouldn't see her again? Just trying to make sense out of that decision.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:41:20 PM
Reporting on NG that drugs had been sold out of the trailer home. Antoinette's family members had previously sold drugs out of the trailer.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:43:59 PM
Im sorry, but what this all boils down to is a crack head no good woman with access to a little girl that meant nothing but a way to get her next fix and she just happened to know the no good sorry excuse for a man (MM) that knew his way around in this filthy underworld of how to prostitute out a child and make money and she jumped at the chance and had this child never known her father and there was no one to worry about her or ask about her.....this Mother would never had even called 911 or said a word about her being gone......Sick Monster...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 08:45:14 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

 
You can give your kids to anyone to raise, just get a certified letter saying you are giving guardianship to so and so and that is all that person needs to be able to receive government assistance, file them on taxes, register them in school, take them to the doctor, etc.  But unless the papers are filed in a court giving them legal guardianship you can go get your kid back at any time and there isn't jack that the person that was raising them can do without taking you to court to get the child/ren back which we all know takes time and money.  So he could be legally presumed Shaniya's father because he has done all this stuff but he would still only be able to get her back by taking the mother to court, which if he had filed right away (and he said it was his descision to give her to her mom) he would still be waiting for that court day that would never come now, because it takes months.  And only then would his legal right to her, birth certificate or no, then be decided.  Shaniya never had a chance.

Sorry, Ariana.  After 16 years of practicing law, I have to disagree with you.  You're talking about something completely different.  You're talking about turning over legal guardianship to someone, not a determination of parenthood.  No one contested that the dad was the dad.  And if he had a hint that Shaniya was in danger, he could have filed for a TRO and had the child back within an hour.  Now, I'm just talking from my experience, which might not be the same everywhere.


But the Dad wasn't there at the time, the Aunt was and that is what I think Ariana and I are talking about. The Aunt had no legal authority to go and get the little girl because the "mom" was the parent, not the Aunt.

Sorry not trying to speak for Ariana.

I am not a very smart monkey, but I know here no matter what paperwork you have, if CPS hasn't given you custody of a child, then you have no rights and the parents have them.





That is absolutely correct.   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 17, 2009, 08:45:28 PM
Don't miss Dana Pretzer tonight, he has a great lineup!  Show starts in about 15 minutes!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Pretzer111709.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/11/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-tuesday-november-17-2009-special-guests-retired-lt-colonel-ralph-peters-discussing-ft-hood-shooting-aes-bill-kurtis-robin-sax/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Byron Coleman, Shaniya's half brother also bi-racial.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:48:52 PM
Im sorry, but what this all boils down to is a crack head no good woman with access to a little girl that meant nothing but a way to get her next fix and she just happened to know the no good sorry excuse for a man (MM) that knew his way around in this filthy underworld of how to prostitute out a child and make money and she jumped at the chance and had this child never known her father and there was no one to worry about her or ask about her.....this Mother would never had even called 911 or said a word about her being gone......Sick Monster...

I believe another catalyst was the fact that the school had schedule a meeting for the day after Shaniya went missing to discuss why she was taken out of kindergarten and not enrolled anywhere else.  If abuse had occurred prior to her disappearance (which unfortunately I believe did occur) AD could not take Shaniya into school with outward signs of abuse or chance Shaniya talking about things that may have taken place while she was out of school.  JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 08:52:19 PM
Hmmmmm..


 ::MonkeyEek::


Arrested today:


Samuel McNeill
Probation violation
No bond  <---------------------------- !!!!

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:53:38 PM
Im sorry, but what this all boils down to is a crack head no good woman with access to a little girl that meant nothing but a way to get her next fix and she just happened to know the no good sorry excuse for a man (MM) that knew his way around in this filthy underworld of how to prostitute out a child and make money and she jumped at the chance and had this child never known her father and there was no one to worry about her or ask about her.....this Mother would never had even called 911 or said a word about her being gone......Sick Monster...

I believe another catalyst was the fact that the school had schedule a meeting for the day after Shaniya went missing to discuss why she was taken out of kindergarten and not enrolled anywhere else.  If abuse had occurred prior to her disappearance (which unfortunately I believe did occur) AD could not take Shaniya into school with outward signs of abuse or chance Shaniya talking about things that may have taken place while she was out of school.  JMO
Thats what im trying to say, if Shaniya had never known her father then Im sure her life would have been like the past 3 months has been and she would never had made it to kindergarden, and when she did exspire, the Mother wouldnt have even called 911.....I would still like to know what the 7 year old has told LE about what was going on in that home...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 08:53:56 PM
Hmmmmm..


 ::MonkeyEek::


Arrested today:


Samuel McNeill
Probation violation
No bond  <---------------------------- !!!!

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx



Sorry... to see this, you'll need to type in his name.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 08:54:17 PM
Hmmmmm..


 ::MonkeyEek::


Arrested today:


Samuel McNeill
Probation violation
No bond  <---------------------------- !!!!

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx


Will this turn out to be Mario's father?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 08:54:22 PM
A different way of putting it article 

NOW AT 'EUR THIS N THAT': Beautiful Baby Shaniya Davis Found Dead (Video)
(November 17, 2009)


    *Our fingers can barely bring you this devastating news. This story is so incredibly horrible and disgusting any decent person reading this, whether a parent or not, should feel their heart stop just from reading it.

     This beautiful "angel," as her daddy, Bradley Lockhart, referred to her, was only on this Earth five short years.

     Her father had a one-night stand with a freak of nature disguised as a black woman named Antoinette Davis.

     He said he had been raising her, but decided he would try and give her mother a chance to be a mother.  Surely, Lockhart is now cursing the day this soul-less piece of trash was born.  CBS is reporting that Davis sold her daughter into prostitution.

     The baby was seen being carried into a hotel room by another putrid waste of life named Mario Andrette McNeill.  According to CBS, the relationship between Davis and McNeill has not been verified.

     Lockhart's sister, Carey Lockhart-Davis has been the child's mother and aunt.  The married last name of Davis is strange as well.  Maybe there is somehow a connection between the mother's family and Carey.  Hopefully not.

     If you can, click over http://www.eurthisnthat.com/2009/11/16/shaniya-davis-found-dead/ and watch the desperate plea from them both on the CBS Early Morning show just "hours" before the child was found dead in North Carolina.

http://eurweb.com/story/eur57480.cfm


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
OMG....Wyks.....dont tell me its a family thing now,,,,,,is this guy kin to mario..???


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 08:54:54 PM
I would like to know if the aunt or dad called to talk to Shaniya in those weeks I can not help but think  that something could be sensed that things were not right in that mobile home by talking to Shaniya, and I would think Shaniya would tell her daddy she was not in school.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Lenie on November 17, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
Hi Monkeys, Does anyone hear someone in the background on the 911 tape. It isn't constant but about midway I think or close to the end. I believe it is when she is asking her about her underwear and you can hear someone in the background kinda telling AD what type of underwear Shaniya had on.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 08:56:07 PM
I would like to know if the aunt or dad called to talk to Shaniya in those weeks I can not help but think  that something could be sensed that things were not right in that mobile home by talking to Shaniya, and I would think Shaniya would tell her daddy she was not in school.
That's what I wondered, if there were any phone calls to Shaniya.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 08:56:09 PM
Hmmmmm..


 ::MonkeyEek::


Arrested today:


Samuel McNeill
Probation violation
No bond  <---------------------------- !!!!

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx


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Charge: M:POSS MARIJ UP TO 1/2 OZ

They have some strict pot laws in NC    ::MonkeyDevil2::

Are you thinking he is related to Mario?   This guy is 51 so could be his father.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 08:56:33 PM
Hi Monkeys, Does anyone hear someone in the background on the 911 tape. It isn't constant but about midway I think or close to the end. I believe it is when she is asking her about her underwear and you can hear someone in the background kinda telling AD what type of underwear Shaniya had on.

yes.  deep voice but just for a sec.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cw618 on November 17, 2009, 08:56:45 PM
timeline, sorry long
on 11-10-09: @6:53am mom calls in and reports Shaniya missing
Shaniya Davis is a 5-year-old girl who went missing from a Fayetteville, N.C., trailer park early Tuesday morning.
Her mother reports last seeing her at 5:30 a.m. that morning, and foul play is suspected in her case.
 
On Wednesday,11-11-09 at 11 p.m.,
police arrested Clarence Coe, 30, and charged him with first-degree kidnapping.
Coe maintains his innocence, but police argue that this was not a random arrest.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, was arrested Friday 11-13-09
for the kidnapping of Shaniya Davis. Investigators are still
trying to determine McNeill's connection to Shaniya. Authorities were able to arrest McNeill because of footage
found of him on a hotel surveillance video, where McNeill is seen carrying Shaniya.

hotel surveillance video date time
11-10-09:
6:11am Mario is seen on video carrying Shaniya into hotel
11-10-09:7:30am Mario is know to exit hotel w/Shaniya
the videos aired THURSDAY, November 12, 2009

Antoinette Nicole Davis arrested,11-14-09Shaniya Davis' mother, Antoinette Nicole Davis, was arrested and charged authorities said Saturday night for
human trafficking and other offenses. She has been accused of offering her daughter for prostitution.
Antoinette says she doesn't know where her daughter is, but she was also charged with felony child abuse,
 prostitution and filing a false police report. Authorities still haven't been able to locate Shaniya.

11/16/09
The body of Shaniya Davis has been found along a North Carolina highway


link to 911 audio
http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/6439590/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

a more detailed timeline i snipped from
http://crimeseekers.net/forums/showthread.php?p=10623

TimeLine For Missing Shaniya Davis

TUESDAY, November 10, 2009

3:00 AM: Neighbor, Andrea Moore, described hearing noises outside her mobile home

5:30 AM: Mother put Shaniya Davis on sofa and last time she saw her child

6:11 AM: Shaniya observed on survellience video at hotel 40 miles from home in the arms of Mario McNeill waiting
 on elevator

6:53 AM: Antoinette Davis calls LE to report her daughter missing

• Law enforcement search the mobile home park and find a blanket covered in feces in garbage pail of neighbor,
Andrea Moore. Blanket believed to be that of Shaniya. Theresa Chance, Fayetteville Police spokesperson stated
Ms. Moore is not a suspect.

• Back porch and railing of home Davis family lives in is covered in feces.

• Ms. Davis, her 7-year-old son, Davis' sister and another child are removed from the home and not allowed to
return due to extensive sewage leak.

• The N.C. Offender Registry lists two sex offenders who live in the mobile home park.

WEDNESDAY, November 11, 2009

• Clarence Coe, boyfriend of Antoinette Davis, is arrested for the kidnapping of Shaniya. Reports provided to
LE state he was seen leaving the mobile home park with Shaniya.

• Clarence Coe said he did not take Shaniya.

THURSDAY, November 12, 2009

• Still images from a Sanford hotel survellience video aired nationally of Mario Andrette McNeill, ex-boyfriend
 of Antoinette Davis' SISTER, carrying Shaniya Davis to the hotel's elevator.

FRIDAY, November 13, 2009

• Mario McNeill turned himself into police early morning after seeing the hotel images.

• Clarence Coe was released from jail and kidnapping charges dropped.

• Mario McNeill charged with kidnapping Shaniya Davis. Hotel survellience video confirmed him with Shaniya on
Tuesday morning. McNeill stated he took Shaniya but denies that he kidnapped her.

• The whereabouts of Shaniya are unknown. FBI and U.S. Marshalls are involved in the nationwide search for
Shaniya.

• Shaniya's father, Bradley Lockhart, arrived in Fayetteville and went on national TV begging for the return of
his daughter who has lived with him for about 3-4 years, but only lived with her mother for the last three weeks
.

• Clarence Coe, boyfriend of Antoinette Davis, is said to be more upset about Shaniya's disappearance than her
mother...as per a neighbor intervewed by local news station.

SATURDAY, November 14, 2009

• Late Saturday, Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Davis, was charged with human trafficking, felony child
abuse/prostitution, filing a false police report and resist, delay or obstruct.

• Police said Davis was being held at the Cumberland County Jail on $51,000 secured bond and is scheduled to
appear in court Monday morning.

• Still no sign of Shaniya Davis.

SUNDAY, November 15, 2009

• Authorities acting on a tip are scouring a portion of south-central North Carolina for a 5-year-old girl
reported missing by her mother. Multiple agencies have been searching for Shaniya Davis since 8 a.m.

• SANFORD, NC (WTVD) -- Fayetteville police confirmed Sunday that they were searching on the ground for a
missing 5-year-old girl between Fayetteville and Sanford. Chopper 11 confirms a Fayetville forensics truck is
 on the scene and officers are searching near Walker Road off Highway 87 in the Sanford area.Witnesses told
ABC11 Eyewitness News they saw officers searching a ravine in that area around 10 a.m.

• Sanford is about 40 miles north of Fayetteville. Police did not say if they were looking for a body or if they
 hoped to find Shaniya Davis alive.

• The father of a missing 5-year-old North Carolina girl says he never should have allowed her to go back to her
 mother.

• Another day gone by. A long day of searching wrapped up at 5:00 PM with still no sign of Shaniya.

MONDAY, November 16, 2009

• Search for Shaniya remains in the area on Walker Road. Over 200 searchers are combing the long stretch of
road and 100 yds off the road on each side. This search is based on a tip that her body was dumped along Walker
Road off Hwy. 87.

• Lockhart and his sister, who live out of state, cared for Shaniya until last month.

• Anyone wishing to help with the search was asked to e-mail their name and contact numbers to
Shaniyavolunteer@ci.fay.nc.us to be added to a central list so police can coordinate volunteer efforts.


• The body of little Shaniya has been found. News of the discovery of her remains found on Walker Road came in
around 1:30 PM.


• Davis' 7-year-old son was taken into protective custody last week and placed into foster care.

• According to the non-profit agency, Child of the Night, Shaniya's case is very rare. Typically, child are in
the age range of 11 to 17 when entered into the world of human trafficking/prostitution. When a child is
prostituted or sold by a parent it's usually involving drugs.

TUESDAY, November 17, 2009

• "Lord, I come to you with open arms, and it is hard. It is hard," Bradley Lockhart said at a vigil in a store
parking lot, according to The Associated Press. "Don't give up on me and don't give up on Shaniya. She's right
there with you."


• Lockhart attended a prayer vigil last night for his daughter and broke down while speaking to the crowd.


• "The investigation at this point indicates that Shaniya Davis was alive at the time she left the Sanford hotel
," police said in the statement Tuesday.

• Shaniya's half-sister, Cheyenne Lockhart, told HLN's "Nancy Grace" Monday that she found it difficult to
believe Davis had treated her daughter so poorly. "She seemed like the sweetest woman. She didn't come from much
, but ... she had the sweetest voice, she had the sweetest personality, and especially toward me. I would never
think that she would do anything like that," said Lockhart, who shared a father with Shaniya.

• The aunt of a 5-year-old girl whose body was found off a rural North Carolina road says she had a hard time
letting the girl live for a while at her mother's house.

• Carey Lockhart-Davis said Tuesday that the mother, 25-year-old Antoinette Davis, neglected her children.
Lockart-Davis is the sister of the girl's father, Bradley Lockhart, and helped raise her. The girl went to stay
 with her mother a month ago.

• Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Canine Training Inc. said Tuesday his team returned after getting information that the
body of Shaniya (shuh-NY-ah) Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon
underneath kudzu along a rural highway southeast of Sanford.


link to 911 audio
http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/6439590/







Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
dang.  had dinner and now i'm 7 pages behind.

o/t - can I ask everyone to please stop by Elizabeth Olten's thread and post - just to maybe increase positivity for the hearing tomorrow?

maybe a silly request....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 08:58:26 PM
cw618 Thank-you for the timeline.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 08:59:16 PM
JessStar I was trying to quote your post about the dad filing a TRO and could have had Shaniya back within the hour, I'm not sure what that is. But I can't believe that the dad and the aunt and other family members didn't see the problems. There is no bringing Shaniya back, and I don't want to say anything that looks like I'm slamming them, but something seems off with all this. Maybe they thought if they didn't let Shaniya stay, the mom would have taken off with her, and then they wouldn't see her again? Just trying to make sense out of that decision.

Sorry about that.  A TRO is a temporary restraining order.  It is filed on an emergency basis without providing notice to the "other side."  As an officer of the court and a staunch advocate for children, I don't want anyone to get the false impression that there's nothing that can be done when a child is in danger because that is patently false.  While I recognize that there are people that have had bad experiences, I'd hope that those horror stories do not work to cloud others' judgment or effect anyone's decision about whether to take action to protect a child in the face of danger.

Having said that, we all have to accept that there will always be bad parents who subject their children to the most horrific crimes.  Look what's going on with the Mohler family in Missouri.  It doesn't get much worse than that.  And the witness victims who are coming out are in their late 20's, talking about horrifying stories of abuse, including bestiality, that happened when they were as young as 6. 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Lenie on November 17, 2009, 09:00:51 PM
Hi Monkeys, Does anyone hear someone in the background on the 911 tape. It isn't constant but about midway I think or close to the end. I believe it is when she is asking her about her underwear and you can hear someone in the background kinda telling AD what type of underwear Shaniya had on.

yes.  deep voice but just for a sec.

Thank you thought I was going crazy (er)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: theboyzmom on November 17, 2009, 09:02:51 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

Jess - I am not sure how it works there, but here in Michigan the affidavit of parentage that the guy must sign if he wants his name on the birth certificate (and is presented to him at the hospital at the time of the birth) states that "The mother has initial custody of the child, without prejudice to the determination of either parent’s custodial rights, until otherwise determined by the
court or agreed upon by the parties in writing and acknowledged by the court."  So I am pretty sure that in this case, the police would be powerless to order the mom to give the child back to the dad unless there was a court ordered custody agreement. I know that when my ex called the cops to get his kid back after mom's visitation ended he was told it was a civil matter and he would have to go to court to enforce and/or punish her for not following the rules.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:02:52 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.

yeah, he wasn't smirking in the latest court footage.  Actually looked scared to death.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 09:03:06 PM
I dunno if he is kin or not.  Read somewhere, by a local, that McNeill is like 'Smith' in that area, there are so many. 

Still and all tho.. Interesting that this Samuel is 51, arrested for poss of weed and probation violation, and there is no bond.   

Wonder what kind and color vehicle he drives, if any?? 





Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 17, 2009, 09:03:24 PM
I found this On Samual McNeill.. Also check his vehicle out.. but not 100% sure if this is the same McNeill..



MCNEILL , SAMUEL LYNN
826 EGYPT RD
FAYETTEVILLE, NC 28314   
 


VEHICLE INFORMATION: 
TAX YEAR TAX BILL NUMBER TAX DISTRICT AMOUNT PAID
2009 5076388 06  1000  $100.00

EXPIRATION DATE YEAR / MAKE / MODEL TAXABLE VALUE EXEMPTION
6/30/2010 2006 CHEVY IMLT  $11,320.00 $0.00
 

 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
:no doubt in my mind that this baby was loved and was  very well taken care of  by the dad and the aunt...my only problem with them is why they decided to let Shaniya go live with the egg donor...there are conflicting stories...last night on NG, Brad's daughter said that they knew that she was doing drugs still...then tonight, Brad's son said that if they knew that AD was doing drugs, no way would they have allowed the baby to go over there...
this dad has 5 other children by 3 different women? sounds like he did more than work all the time...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: theboyzmom on November 17, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Endangering the life of a fetus is a crime in some states, I think.

In Michigan (which is my only experience) it is not a crime to take drugs during pregnancy - but it is a basis for the CPS to come in and take the child at birth. It can even be a basis for termination with no effort to reunite the family.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 09:04:35 PM
Hmmmmm..


 ::MonkeyEek::


Arrested today:


Samuel McNeill
Probation violation
No bond  <---------------------------- !!!!

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx



Sorry... to see this, you'll need to type in his name.



(http://www.ccsonc.org/MugShots/134666.031)(http://images.news14.com/media/2009/11/12/images/ENLARGE_02mcneil.jpg)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 09:05:52 PM
I dunno if he is kin or not.  Read somewhere, by a local, that McNeill is like 'Smith' in that area, there are so many. 

Still and all tho.. Interesting that this Samuel is 51, arrested for poss of weed and probation violation, and there is no bond.   

Wonder what kind and color vehicle he drives, if any?? 





Here is a side by side to compare



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Ariana on November 17, 2009, 09:07:43 PM
I agree with JSM if the Aunt's version is the correct one.  All child custody/support issues the father has apparently had combined with the fact that his parents have and are raising his kids by his deceased wife (what is up with that), just to find out the Aunt was the one raising Shaniya makes me think the dad isn't much better than the mom anyways and as another monkey had said (not verbatim) he is just acting for the cameras.  I think that the only people who even cared about Shaniya was her fathers family, specifically the Aunt.  And she is probably the only one telling the truth.  I just honestly can't see her saying to her brother, "Oh yea, I have invested all this time into taking care of your daughter and it's ok with me that you send her to her mother because you feel that she deserves a chance to be one this late in the game.  Especially one who knowingly slept with an HIV positive man and is pregnant with his baby." And maybe the Aunt didn't know the mom was pregnant but could you really just give up a child you have raised and cared for as your own to someone like that?  I think it was a visitation and the mom basically slapped her in the face and the dad doesn't want to look like he just didn't give a crap to not come down and save his daughter after the mom took her so he concocted this story up about giving her to the mom.

      And if it was my child, I would go to any lengths to get my child back.  I do mean any.  So I can say I agree with HH and JessStar on that.  The auntie just didn't have a say or a choice.  I don't know her situation so I am not gonna throw my stone at her yet for not doing whatever it took to get her child (she did the work) back,my guess is she wanted to do everything legal like and was waiting for the dad to get back.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 09:07:54 PM
They look nothing alike to me......


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 09:08:28 PM
Thank-you for answering JessStar, for some reason tonight when I hit quote and try to post, it jumps and won't allow me to do so  ::MonkeyConfused:: So then the dad could have done this if he felt there was a problem, maybe he just didn't think there was a problem? I don't know.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:08:50 PM
ok, let's all take just one small minute to think about this.

Let's put ourselves in the aunt's place.

She hands the child over to a bio m om that she does not like.

On Oct. 9th, not the 31st as has been stated previous to about 5 hours ago, right?

The mother subsequently tells this aunt that she will never see the child again.  No warning sings there?

And the aunt does nothing?  Doesn't dig around, trying to find something that she can use to get the child back?  Doesn't even call the police?


So now the dad is asking Americans to please report any suspicions regarding child abuse?
Did the aunt call the dad in Oregon?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 09:09:02 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Endangering the life of a fetus is a crime in some states, I think.

In Michigan (which is my only experience) it is not a crime to take drugs during pregnancy - but it is a basis for the CPS to come in and take the child at birth. It can even be a basis for termination with no effort to reunite the family.

it's very hard to terminate a parents rights without the cps agency at least attempting to provide reunifcation services.  unless of course there are aggravated circumstances, which could be possible if a  mother has other children that her rights have been terminated on and then gives birth to another child in a certain period of time after her rights on the other children have been terminated.  either way, the fathers are still supposed to be provided reunifcation services.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 09:10:41 PM
They look alike to me. ::MonkeyConfused::

They have both got that big eye/little eye thing going on.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
ok, let's all take just one small minute to think about this.

Let's put ourselves in the aunt's place.

She hands the child over to a bio m om that she does not like.

On Oct. 9th, not the 31st as has been stated previous to about 5 hours ago, right?

The mother subsequently tells this aunt that she will never see the child again.  No warning sings there?

And the aunt does nothing?  Doesn't dig around, trying to find something that she can use to get the child back?  Doesn't even call the police?


So now the dad is asking Americans to please report any suspicions regarding child abuse?
Did the aunt call the dad in Oregon?

i agree completely. hindsight is always 20/20, but there just way too many red flags in this situation that the father and aunt should have acted upon.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 17, 2009, 09:11:09 PM
 Jill, those are all great questions.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:12:24 PM
I dunno if he is kin or not.  Read somewhere, by a local, that McNeill is like 'Smith' in that area, there are so many. 

Still and all tho.. Interesting that this Samuel is 51, arrested for poss of weed and probation violation, and there is no bond.   

Wonder what kind and color vehicle he drives, if any?? 





devil's advocate - there might be no bond because he is heading back to prison for probation violation automatic.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gypsy DD on November 17, 2009, 09:13:31 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

 
You can give your kids to anyone to raise, just get a certified letter saying you are giving guardianship to so and so and that is all that person needs to be able to receive government assistance, file them on taxes, register them in school, take them to the doctor, etc.  But unless the papers are filed in a court giving them legal guardianship you can go get your kid back at any time and there isn't jack that the person that was raising them can do without taking you to court to get the child/ren back which we all know takes time and money.  So he could be legally presumed Shaniya's father because he has done all this stuff but he would still only be able to get her back by taking the mother to court, which if he had filed right away (and he said it was his descision to give her to her mom) he would still be waiting for that court day that would never come now, because it takes months.  And only then would his legal right to her, birth certificate or no, then be decided.  Shaniya never had a chance.

I am in total agreement.  I doubt that AD even put him on the birth certificate.  He was not in a position to stop this...LE would not have helped, no one would have helped..she was with the bio Mom..and had the bio Mom come in the middle of the night and taken her out a window and they could prove it..nothing would have been done..the bio Mom had her and with no formal custody agreement..and even if a custody agreement was in place, unless the Dad had full 100 percent custody and the bio Mom gave up all rights to the child..in a court of law, in writing, pronounced by a judge.....LE , the family ..could do nothing.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:13:40 PM
thanks for the responses - sorry for the typos, i'm upset.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 09:13:48 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

Jess - I am not sure how it works there, but here in Michigan the affidavit of parentage that the guy must sign if he wants his name on the birth certificate (and is presented to him at the hospital at the time of the birth) states that "The mother has initial custody of the child, without prejudice to the determination of either parent’s custodial rights, until otherwise determined by the
court or agreed upon by the parties in writing and acknowledged by the court."  So I am pretty sure that in this case, the police would be powerless to order the mom to give the child back to the dad unless there was a court ordered custody agreement. I know that when my ex called the cops to get his kid back after mom's visitation ended he was told it was a civil matter and he would have to go to court to enforce and/or punish her for not following the rules.

That document is intended to acknowledge parentage and establish paternity.  Paternity was not an issue for Shaniya.  I don't doubt for one second that the cops took the position that the visitation issue is a civil matter--it absolutely is.  Police are powerless to order any parent to turn over his/her child to another parent, even if the parents are happily married.  But if the father showed up and took Shaniya, there's nothing "mom" could have done about it either.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 09:13:50 PM
does anyone think that MM took Shaniya to the motel, gave her to someone in a room who was already checked in waiting...the guy did what he wanted to do with the baby while MM cooled his heels either in the restaurant at the hotel or his car, then MM went back up  to the room to get her an hour later and that is why he was carrying her to the elevator?
she must have been so scared...it breaks my heart to even let my mind go there...I have little grand daughters and the thought of them being so scared makes me want to scream!!! I hate these people who did this to her, to her family and to all of us..!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 09:13:53 PM
I'm guessing I am way behind with this information but a few posts up was the first that I had heard about the sewage leak. So the blanket probably had feces on it from a sewage problem in the house? Sorry if this was already mentioned. I have only read parts of this thread.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 09:14:23 PM
I found this On Samual McNeill.. Also check his vehicle out.. but not 100% sure if this is the same McNeill..



MCNEILL , SAMUEL LYNN
826 EGYPT RD
FAYETTEVILLE, NC 28314   
 


VEHICLE INFORMATION: 
TAX YEAR TAX BILL NUMBER TAX DISTRICT AMOUNT PAID
2009 5076388 06  1000  $100.00

EXPIRATION DATE YEAR / MAKE / MODEL TAXABLE VALUE EXEMPTION
6/30/2010 2006 CHEVY IMLT  $11,320.00 $0.00
 

Interesting!  Thanks JG! 

I dunno if that's the same one or not, but could be.  There also is a Samuel E McNeill (52) in Sanford. 

On the BOLO, they were looking for a man in his 60s or so, in the Sanford area, with a blue toyota.  And then they hushed up about that. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::





Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 09:15:39 PM
Fayetteville PD scanner if anyone wants to listen

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=1912


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
I found this On Samual McNeill.. Also check his vehicle out.. but not 100% sure if this is the same McNeill..



MCNEILL , SAMUEL LYNN
826 EGYPT RD
FAYETTEVILLE, NC 28314   
 


VEHICLE INFORMATION: 
TAX YEAR TAX BILL NUMBER TAX DISTRICT AMOUNT PAID
2009 5076388 06  1000  $100.00

EXPIRATION DATE YEAR / MAKE / MODEL TAXABLE VALUE EXEMPTION
6/30/2010 2006 CHEVY IMLT  $11,320.00 $0.00
 

Interesting!  Thanks JG! 

I dunno if that's the same one or not, but could be.  There also is a Samuel E McNeill (52) in Sanford. 

On the BOLO, they were looking for a man in his 60s or so, in the Sanford area, with a blue toyota.  And then they hushed up about that. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::





I was thinking about that too. I wonder if they are still following that lead or not?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
ok, let's all take just one small minute to think about this.

Let's put ourselves in the aunt's place.

She hands the child over to a bio m om that she does not like.

On Oct. 9th, not the 31st as has been stated previous to about 5 hours ago, right?

The mother subsequently tells this aunt that she will never see the child again.  No warning sings there?

And the aunt does nothing?  Doesn't dig around, trying to find something that she can use to get the child back?  Doesn't even call the police?


So now the dad is asking Americans to please report any suspicions regarding child abuse?
Did the aunt call the dad in Oregon?
I had read that the Aunt was mad because Shaniya had been punished for doing something to her cousin..like hitting them or something and the Aunt and the Mother got in a augument about it, so yes the Aunt had most likely been calling to check on Shaniya......and the Mother got mad and told her she would never see Shaniya again.......she must have called the father and said something because she said that she knew when he got back to town that they were gonna have to do something and file some papers to ensure they had a say in where shaniya went after this......I think Shaniya had visited the Mother before and prolly came back ok...by listeneing to shaniyas sister and brother thats the way I understand it....she had visited the mother before, so maybe the aunt figured she would be fine until the father got home and sought legal advice...IMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:17:08 PM
Hi Monkeys, Does anyone hear someone in the background on the 911 tape. It isn't constant but about midway I think or close to the end. I believe it is when she is asking her about her underwear and you can hear someone in the background kinda telling AD what type of underwear Shaniya had on.

yes.  deep voice but just for a sec.

Thank you thought I was going crazy (er)

no crazy (er) than the rest of us.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 09:19:14 PM
does anyone think that MM took Shaniya to the motel, gave her to someone in a room who was already checked in waiting...the guy did what he wanted to do with the baby while MM cooled his heels either in the restaurant at the hotel or his car, then MM went back up  to the room to get her an hour later and that is why he was carrying her to the elevator?
she must have been so scared...it breaks my heart to even let my mind go there...I have little grand daughters and the thought of them being so scared makes me want to scream!!! I hate these people who did this to her, to her family and to all of us..!

That is what I have thought all along.  I also think that Antoinette was keeping her locked in a closet
when McNeil didn't have her.  I think that is why the blanket was soiled.  It was like the Patty Hurst
treatment.  Shaniya thought McNeil was rescuing her.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:20:00 PM
timeline, sorry long
on 11-10-09: @6:53am mom calls in and reports Shaniya missing
Shaniya Davis is a 5-year-old girl who went missing from a Fayetteville, N.C., trailer park early Tuesday morning.
Her mother reports last seeing her at 5:30 a.m. that morning, and foul play is suspected in her case.
 
On Wednesday,11-11-09 at 11 p.m.,
police arrested Clarence Coe, 30, and charged him with first-degree kidnapping.
Coe maintains his innocence, but police argue that this was not a random arrest.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, was arrested Friday 11-13-09
for the kidnapping of Shaniya Davis. Investigators are still
trying to determine McNeill's connection to Shaniya. Authorities were able to arrest McNeill because of footage
found of him on a hotel surveillance video, where McNeill is seen carrying Shaniya.

hotel surveillance video date time
11-10-09:
6:11am Mario is seen on video carrying Shaniya into hotel
11-10-09:7:30am Mario is know to exit hotel w/Shaniya
the videos aired THURSDAY, November 12, 2009

Antoinette Nicole Davis arrested,11-14-09Shaniya Davis' mother, Antoinette Nicole Davis, was arrested and charged authorities said Saturday night for
human trafficking and other offenses. She has been accused of offering her daughter for prostitution.
Antoinette says she doesn't know where her daughter is, but she was also charged with felony child abuse,
 prostitution and filing a false police report. Authorities still haven't been able to locate Shaniya.

11/16/09
The body of Shaniya Davis has been found along a North Carolina highway


link to 911 audio
http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/6439590/
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a more detailed timeline i snipped from
http://crimeseekers.net/forums/showthread.php?p=10623

TimeLine For Missing Shaniya Davis

TUESDAY, November 10, 2009

3:00 AM: Neighbor, Andrea Moore, described hearing noises outside her mobile home

5:30 AM: Mother put Shaniya Davis on sofa and last time she saw her child

6:11 AM: Shaniya observed on survellience video at hotel 40 miles from home in the arms of Mario McNeill waiting
 on elevator

6:53 AM: Antoinette Davis calls LE to report her daughter missing

• Law enforcement search the mobile home park and find a blanket covered in feces in garbage pail of neighbor,
Andrea Moore. Blanket believed to be that of Shaniya. Theresa Chance, Fayetteville Police spokesperson stated
Ms. Moore is not a suspect.

• Back porch and railing of home Davis family lives in is covered in feces.

• Ms. Davis, her 7-year-old son, Davis' sister and another child are removed from the home and not allowed to
return due to extensive sewage leak.

• The N.C. Offender Registry lists two sex offenders who live in the mobile home park.

WEDNESDAY, November 11, 2009

• Clarence Coe, boyfriend of Antoinette Davis, is arrested for the kidnapping of Shaniya. Reports provided to
LE state he was seen leaving the mobile home park with Shaniya.

• Clarence Coe said he did not take Shaniya.

THURSDAY, November 12, 2009

• Still images from a Sanford hotel survellience video aired nationally of Mario Andrette McNeill, ex-boyfriend
 of Antoinette Davis' SISTER, carrying Shaniya Davis to the hotel's elevator.

FRIDAY, November 13, 2009

• Mario McNeill turned himself into police early morning after seeing the hotel images.

• Clarence Coe was released from jail and kidnapping charges dropped.

• Mario McNeill charged with kidnapping Shaniya Davis. Hotel survellience video confirmed him with Shaniya on
Tuesday morning. McNeill stated he took Shaniya but denies that he kidnapped her.

• The whereabouts of Shaniya are unknown. FBI and U.S. Marshalls are involved in the nationwide search for
Shaniya.

• Shaniya's father, Bradley Lockhart, arrived in Fayetteville and went on national TV begging for the return of
his daughter who has lived with him for about 3-4 years, but only lived with her mother for the last three weeks
.

• Clarence Coe, boyfriend of Antoinette Davis, is said to be more upset about Shaniya's disappearance than her
mother...as per a neighbor intervewed by local news station.

SATURDAY, November 14, 2009

• Late Saturday, Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Davis, was charged with human trafficking, felony child
abuse/prostitution, filing a false police report and resist, delay or obstruct.

• Police said Davis was being held at the Cumberland County Jail on $51,000 secured bond and is scheduled to
appear in court Monday morning.

• Still no sign of Shaniya Davis.

SUNDAY, November 15, 2009

• Authorities acting on a tip are scouring a portion of south-central North Carolina for a 5-year-old girl
reported missing by her mother. Multiple agencies have been searching for Shaniya Davis since 8 a.m.

• SANFORD, NC (WTVD) -- Fayetteville police confirmed Sunday that they were searching on the ground for a
missing 5-year-old girl between Fayetteville and Sanford. Chopper 11 confirms a Fayetville forensics truck is
 on the scene and officers are searching near Walker Road off Highway 87 in the Sanford area.Witnesses told
ABC11 Eyewitness News they saw officers searching a ravine in that area around 10 a.m.

• Sanford is about 40 miles north of Fayetteville. Police did not say if they were looking for a body or if they
 hoped to find Shaniya Davis alive.

• The father of a missing 5-year-old North Carolina girl says he never should have allowed her to go back to her
 mother.

• Another day gone by. A long day of searching wrapped up at 5:00 PM with still no sign of Shaniya.

MONDAY, November 16, 2009

• Search for Shaniya remains in the area on Walker Road. Over 200 searchers are combing the long stretch of
road and 100 yds off the road on each side. This search is based on a tip that her body was dumped along Walker
Road off Hwy. 87.

• Lockhart and his sister, who live out of state, cared for Shaniya until last month.

• Anyone wishing to help with the search was asked to e-mail their name and contact numbers to
Shaniyavolunteer@ci.fay.nc.us to be added to a central list so police can coordinate volunteer efforts.


• The body of little Shaniya has been found. News of the discovery of her remains found on Walker Road came in
around 1:30 PM.


• Davis' 7-year-old son was taken into protective custody last week and placed into foster care.

• According to the non-profit agency, Child of the Night, Shaniya's case is very rare. Typically, child are in
the age range of 11 to 17 when entered into the world of human trafficking/prostitution. When a child is
prostituted or sold by a parent it's usually involving drugs.

TUESDAY, November 17, 2009

• "Lord, I come to you with open arms, and it is hard. It is hard," Bradley Lockhart said at a vigil in a store
parking lot, according to The Associated Press. "Don't give up on me and don't give up on Shaniya. She's right
there with you."


• Lockhart attended a prayer vigil last night for his daughter and broke down while speaking to the crowd.


• "The investigation at this point indicates that Shaniya Davis was alive at the time she left the Sanford hotel
," police said in the statement Tuesday.

• Shaniya's half-sister, Cheyenne Lockhart, told HLN's "Nancy Grace" Monday that she found it difficult to
believe Davis had treated her daughter so poorly. "She seemed like the sweetest woman. She didn't come from much
, but ... she had the sweetest voice, she had the sweetest personality, and especially toward me. I would never
think that she would do anything like that," said Lockhart, who shared a father with Shaniya.

• The aunt of a 5-year-old girl whose body was found off a rural North Carolina road says she had a hard time
letting the girl live for a while at her mother's house.

• Carey Lockhart-Davis said Tuesday that the mother, 25-year-old Antoinette Davis, neglected her children.
Lockart-Davis is the sister of the girl's father, Bradley Lockhart, and helped raise her. The girl went to stay
 with her mother a month ago.

• Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Canine Training Inc. said Tuesday his team returned after getting information that the
body of Shaniya (shuh-NY-ah) Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon
underneath kudzu along a rural highway southeast of Sanford.


link to 911 audio
http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/6439590/







excellent.  thank you for bringing this over - and for your own work.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 09:21:45 PM
Heart and Northern Rose - thanks for posting the pics!  Helps to see the side by sides of them.  I think their nose looks very similiar, yet am not so good with that stuff. 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 09:22:31 PM
ok, let's all take just one small minute to think about this.

Let's put ourselves in the aunt's place.

She hands the child over to a bio m om that she does not like.

On Oct. 9th, not the 31st as has been stated previous to about 5 hours ago, right?

The mother subsequently tells this aunt that she will never see the child again.  No warning sings there?

And the aunt does nothing?  Doesn't dig around, trying to find something that she can use to get the child back?  Doesn't even call the police?


So now the dad is asking Americans to please report any suspicions regarding child abuse?
Did the aunt call the dad in Oregon?
I had read that the Aunt was mad because Shaniya had been punished for doing something to her cousin..like hitting them or something and the Aunt and the Mother got in a augument about it, so yes the Aunt had most likely been calling to check on Shaniya......and the Mother got mad and told her she would never see Shaniya again.......she must have called the father and said something because she said that she knew when he got back to town that they were gonna have to do something and file some papers to ensure they had a say in where shaniya went after this......I think Shaniya had visited the Mother before and prolly came back ok...by listeneing to shaniyas sister and brother thats the way I understand it....she had visited the mother before, so maybe the aunt figured she would be fine until the father got home and sought legal advice...IMO

thanks, HH.

I knew the part about Antoinette being mad that Shaniya had been disciplined - but didn't know that she had visited there before.

That actually brings up more questions...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 17, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
I found this On Samual McNeill.. Also check his vehicle out.. but not 100% sure if this is the same McNeill..



MCNEILL , SAMUEL LYNN
826 EGYPT RD
FAYETTEVILLE, NC 28314   
 


VEHICLE INFORMATION: 
TAX YEAR TAX BILL NUMBER TAX DISTRICT AMOUNT PAID
2009 5076388 06  1000  $100.00

EXPIRATION DATE YEAR / MAKE / MODEL TAXABLE VALUE EXEMPTION
6/30/2010 2006 CHEVY IMLT  $11,320.00 $0.00
 

Interesting!  Thanks JG! 

I dunno if that's the same one or not, but could be.  There also is a Samuel E McNeill (52) in Sanford. 

On the BOLO, they were looking for a man in his 60s or so, in the Sanford area, with a blue toyota.  And then they hushed up about that. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::





I did a search today on S/O in the Sanford are in Lee County.. The police stated Mcneill has been known to visit the Sanford area.. To me that means he knows people in the area..The following caught my interest:

1. Larry Cox.. age 60.I seen this man name before I dont know if it was on one of the FB
2. Lacy Mcgee-age 61
3. Tommy Lee Neal-age-62
4. John Blue-age 51
5. Rex Knight-age 46
6. Kendrick bynum-47
7. Thomas Edward-age 56



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 09:28:18 PM

I had read that the Aunt was mad because Shaniya had been punished for doing something to her cousin..like hitting them or something and the Aunt and the Mother got in a augument about it, so yes the Aunt had most likely been calling to check on Shaniya......and the Mother got mad and told her she would never see Shaniya again.......she must have called the father and said something because she said that she knew when he got back to town that they were gonna have to do something and file some papers to ensure they had a say in where shaniya went after this......I think Shaniya had visited the Mother before and prolly came back ok...by listeneing to shaniyas sister and brother thats the way I understand it....she had visited the mother before, so maybe the aunt figured she would be fine until the father got home and sought legal advice...IMO

Am thinking it's the other way around..  IIRC, (and I could have it wrong), am thinking I heard the paternal aunt reporting this in an interview somewhere, that Antoinette was angry with her because she (the aunt) had "disciplined" Shaniya over some kind of run-in with her cousins.  Antoinette was supposedly angry about that, had called her on Sunday morning and said that she would never see Shaniya again. 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: theboyzmom on November 17, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

Jess - I am not sure how it works there, but here in Michigan the affidavit of parentage that the guy must sign if he wants his name on the birth certificate (and is presented to him at the hospital at the time of the birth) states that "The mother has initial custody of the child, without prejudice to the determination of either parent’s custodial rights, until otherwise determined by the
court or agreed upon by the parties in writing and acknowledged by the court."  So I am pretty sure that in this case, the police would be powerless to order the mom to give the child back to the dad unless there was a court ordered custody agreement. I know that when my ex called the cops to get his kid back after mom's visitation ended he was told it was a civil matter and he would have to go to court to enforce and/or punish her for not following the rules.

That document is intended to acknowledge parentage and establish paternity.  Paternity was not an issue for Shaniya.  I don't doubt for one second that the cops took the position that the visitation issue is a civil matter--it absolutely is.  Police are powerless to order any parent to turn over his/her child to another parent, even if the parents are happily married.  But if the father showed up and took Shaniya, there's nothing "mom" could have done about it either.


Nope - in Michigan, the affidavit of parentage must be used if an unmarried couple wants to have the father's name on the birth certificate. Even if the parents agree that dad is dad they still have to have the affidavit of parentage done if dad want to be on the birth cert. Even if later mom goes in to get child support, the dad is not on the birth certificate unless he specifically request the court to enter an order to do it.

If you do not have an affidavit of parentage, then when you go into court, you must have a DNA test to prove that you are dad - then you get an judgment of filliation. Then the court may or may not order visitation based on the best interest factors. But they will order child support.

Like I said, Michigan is my only point of reference.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cartfly on November 17, 2009, 09:31:12 PM
Perhaps it is been discussed already but my thoughts:

About Bradley Lockhart (Dad) saying he wanted to give AD "a chance to be a mother" does not make sense to me. She already had a child (7 yrs old by another baby daddy), and was supposed to be a "mother" to that one. It wasn't like she didnt have kid/s already. I guess he probably meant so "Shania" could have a mother in her life. But then the Aunt looks like she was that mother figure and by all accounts doing a good darn job.

I also was thinking maybe if Mario was the pimp and AD the prostitute that when he found out AD was pregnant she was no more use to him, so he threatens AD and she came up with this scheme to hand over Shaniya. Just some thoughts, not fact. But I would bet her welfare check she is a crack addict with a debt to some druggie (Mario) and has abused the other child of hers in ways I dont even want to think about.

I hope AD is HIV positive but the baby is born healthy and given to a family that will love and care for him/her. The reason I hope AD has aids is because I want her to suffer a slow agonizing death while waiting on death row. Sorry, I know it sounds harsh but she deserves it and so much more.

Ok, coming down off my soap box.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 17, 2009, 09:33:15 PM
trying to catch up.... I have to say, not taking sides and yes, hind sight is 20 /20 and unless you have been exposed to any type of "custody" or lack there of ... it is not as easy as it seems.  The Aunt, mad as hell or not, truly had NO legal recourse to get that baby back short of staging some kind of coo, plus you have dad out of town.  (Just throwing this out there...) No, it wasnt the ideal circumstances and probably most of us would have put up a big hell no she isnt staying there... the aunt is a single mom with 3 children herself and probably dealing with alot of this herself.  I mean who in their wildest of dreams would have thought her own (uterus, cause that is all she was) would pimp her out?  Your average person living day to day just doesnt really think that is something that could happen.  The Aunt was probably thinking about how to plan the next plan of not having to deal with AD EVER again. 

Not defending anyone... just saying from the stand point of a person in those shoes, and LE that DO NOT, WILL NOT, UNLESS NO OTHER RECOURSE WILL GET INVOLVED IN DOMESTIC ISSUES.  Only speaking from personal experience.   

Believe me, I have been on BOTH sides of the fence on this one and still am.  I only hope this does make more awareness to people and you know, even if you just suspect things arent right...make the call. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 09:33:31 PM

I had read that the Aunt was mad because Shaniya had been punished for doing something to her cousin..like hitting them or something and the Aunt and the Mother got in a augument about it, so yes the Aunt had most likely been calling to check on Shaniya......and the Mother got mad and told her she would never see Shaniya again.......she must have called the father and said something because she said that she knew when he got back to town that they were gonna have to do something and file some papers to ensure they had a say in where shaniya went after this......I think Shaniya had visited the Mother before and prolly came back ok...by listeneing to shaniyas sister and brother thats the way I understand it....she had visited the mother before, so maybe the aunt figured she would be fine until the father got home and sought legal advice...IMO

Am thinking it's the other way around..  IIRC, (and I could have it wrong), am thinking I heard the paternal aunt reporting this in an interview somewhere, that Antoinette was angry with her because she (the aunt) had "disciplined" Shaniya over some kind of run-in with her cousins.  Antoinette was supposedly angry about that, had called her on Sunday morning and said that she would never see Shaniya again. 



I thought that AD told the aunt that SHE had disciplined Shaniya for fighting with her cousins and she was really mad and then she told the aunt that she would never see her again...I took that as more punishment for Shaniya to hear that she would never see her aunt again...she must have really loved torturing this child with her words and her actions jmo....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Ariana on November 17, 2009, 09:36:29 PM
Now I have a good question (IMO) Why is it that parents are just allowed to withdraw their kids from school without proving a child will be being homeschooled (with a curriculum plan as proof) or without the school that the child is being transferred to faxing for the request for information?  There have been far too many abuse cases out there where parents withdraw their kids, say they are moving, sometimes they do sometimes they don't, and the kid is beaten to death or starved to death or locked up for years, etc.  I mean I have heard so many cases of it I just have issues that there isn't some kind of law to protect the kids who have actually been enrolled from being in this type of situation again.  A lady I know,who has had so many CPS cases open, has had her kids removed twice, decided she was going to move and didn't want anyone to know where she was going so she withdrew her kids and didn't leave any type of forwarding to anybody, she didn't even tell her landlord she was moving, just up and did it.  I asked the school why they let her do that and they said that they couldn't stop her.  I was thinking that there should be something in place to help LE and CPS monitor these at risk kids and help protect those who haven't been discovered to be at risk yet but are at risk without us knowing.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gypsy DD on November 17, 2009, 09:40:34 PM
well papers or no papers ......custody or no custody...if I thought for one second that my child was in danger at the hands of this woman.....trust me....I would have gone there and gotten my child back,,,,,one way or the other.....it might have not been legal...but I would have her.......promise you that,.......been there...done that.......

A-fricken-men HH.  You and me alike.


I hate to say this, but it wasn't the aunt's child..had she done that she would have been arrested and the child placed with the mother until a court hearing..months away.

Does no one understand that custody rights in this country are bizarre at best.  Especially for father's who are not assigned custody..as in this case..the law would say you have no rights until you go to court ...LE would not and could not do anything.

The father and the aunt were not in a position to steal her..that is how the court would have seen this.  And if they would have had legal joint custody..nothing again..she was with her bio Mom.  LE nor her Dad nor Aunt could have stopped this.

The only person who could have stopped this is her Mom.  It is her Mom that sold this child...no one else.

I am becoming engrossed in this placing balme.  I will say that to me only the bio Mom and her cohorts are to blame.  I will step away now because I know that view is not popular.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 17, 2009, 09:41:20 PM
do we know for sure if the bio mom is the one who terminated the enrollment at Shaniya's school? she doesn't strike me as the type to even bother doing that as well as even knowing where she went to school at...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 17, 2009, 09:42:26 PM

I did a search today on S/O in the Sanford are in Lee County.. The police stated Mcneill has been known to visit the Sanford area.. To me that means he knows people in the area..The following caught my interest:

1. Larry Cox.. age 60.I seen this man name before I dont know if it was on one of the FB
2. Lacy Mcgee-age 61
3. Tommy Lee Neal-age-62
4. John Blue-age 51
5. Rex Knight-age 46
6. Kendrick bynum-47
7. Thomas Edward-age 56



Betcha these guys and Christopher McNeill in Sanford, and maybe the McNeill that was just arrested, esp if he's the one living in Sanford, have been questioned and questioned by LE.  Cuz as you've said, it was reported that MM knew someone living there. 




Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: theboyzmom on November 17, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
Now I have a good question (IMO) Why is it that parents are just allowed to withdraw their kids from school without proving a child will be being homeschooled (with a curriculum plan as proof) or without the school that the child is being transferred to faxing for the request for information?  There have been far too many abuse cases out there where parents withdraw their kids, say they are moving, sometimes they do sometimes they don't, and the kid is beaten to death or starved to death or locked up for years, etc.  I mean I have heard so many cases of it I just have issues that there isn't some kind of law to protect the kids who have actually been enrolled from being in this type of situation again.  A lady I know,who has had so many CPS cases open, has had her kids removed twice, decided she was going to move and didn't want anyone to know where she was going so she withdrew her kids and didn't leave any type of forwarding to anybody, she didn't even tell her landlord she was moving, just up and did it.  I asked the school why they let her do that and they said that they couldn't stop her.  I was thinking that there should be something in place to help LE and CPS monitor these at risk kids and help protect those who haven't been discovered to be at risk yet but are at risk without us knowing.

Kindergarten is not required in many jurisdictions so you may withdraw your child anytime - or just choose not to enroll them.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 17, 2009, 09:49:28 PM

I did a search today on S/O in the Sanford are in Lee County.. The police stated Mcneill has been known to visit the Sanford area.. To me that means he knows people in the area..The following caught my interest:

1. Larry Cox.. age 60.I seen this man name before I dont know if it was on one of the FB
2. Lacy Mcgee-age 61
3. Tommy Lee Neal-age-62
4. John Blue-age 51
5. Rex Knight-age 46
6. Kendrick bynum-47
7. Thomas Edward-age 56



Betcha these guys and Christopher McNeill in Sanford, and maybe the McNeill that was just arrested, esp if he's the one living in Sanford, have been questioned and questioned by LE.  Cuz as you've said, it was reported that MM knew someone living there. 




Yep...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 09:51:48 PM
NC prime destination for human trafficking?

RALEIGH (WTVD) -- The case of Shaniya Davis is shedding light on the problem of human trafficking in North Carolina.

There are several factors making North Carolina a prime destination for traffickers.

Outrage, shock, and anger are a few of the ways many describe the death of 5-year-old Davis, while her mother faces serious charges. But, perhaps even more shocking is the number of children in the country it happens to every year.

There's an estimate that says 200,000 American children are at risk for being trafficked into the sex industry every single year.

Rachel Braver works with the statewide task force called RIPPLE, which addresses human trafficking.

"It's estimated that 600,000 people to 800,000 people are trafficked across international borders every year," Braver said. "North Carolina has several factors that might make it a prime destination for traffickers to prey on victims."

Legal experts say one of the reasons North Carolina is a prime location for human trafficking is because of all the major highways that crisscross the state and the big role agriculture plays in the state.

The agriculture history in North Carolina would be a place for labor exploitation also the tourism industry on the coast; they might see some labor trafficking in the hotels or restaurants there.

Braver says there's also a high number of cases of trafficking among immigrants working against their will and the high military presence in the state also plays a role.

"That's not to say that the military causes trafficking, but often around military bases there is an increase for commercial sexual activity," Braver said. "So where there is the demand for that the traffickers will provide the supply."

But through tougher legislation, marches, and training of local officials, there is hope that supply of human traffic can be cut down so lives can be saved.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7124225


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Heart on November 17, 2009, 09:51:56 PM
do we know for sure if the bio mom is the one who terminated the enrollment at Shaniya's school? she doesn't strike me as the type to even bother doing that as well as even knowing where she went to school at...

cookie I don't recall reading who it was that terminated the enrollment at Shaynia's school but it would appear that it would have been her father or someone on his side of the family since Shaynia had been living with him.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 09:53:54 PM
New Details Revealed in Murder of Missing North Carolina Girl

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. -- Late Tuesday, authorities confirmed a body found in the woods in rural North Carolina is Shaniya Davis. The 5-year-old had been missing for nearly a week.

Investigators have already charged her mother with selling the little girl for sex as part of a prostitution ring. Another man has been charged with kidnapping.

For several days, hundreds of volunteers joined police, searching rural areas for the little girl.

Investigators continue to focus on Shaniya's mother, 25-year-old Antoinette Davis, who has been charged with selling her little girl as a sex slave.

Initially, Davis told police she woke-up and discovered Shaniya was missing from their mobile home in Fayetteville.

A turn in the case came when security video, a few days later, showed a man carrying Shaniya at a nearby hotel.

The man on that tape, 29-year-old Mario McNeil, turned himself in and has been charged with first-degree kidnapping.

The chief medical examiner in North Carolina is expected to complete an autopsy, looking for an official cause of death, later in the week.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/usworld/news-article.aspx?storyid=148295&catid=6


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 17, 2009, 10:03:26 PM
Gypsy DD.... that is basically what I was trying to say. 

I think everyone is just angry about this whole situation. 

It is a HUGE cry to have custody type issues and other protective measures in place to protect the ones that can not protect themselves.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 10:27:17 PM
do we know for sure if the bio mom is the one who terminated the enrollment at Shaniya's school? she doesn't strike me as the type to even bother doing that as well as even knowing where she went to school at...

cookie I don't recall reading who it was that terminated the enrollment at Shaynia's school but it would appear that it would have been her father or someone on his side of the family since Shaynia had been living with him.

I don't recall it being stated.  I just think the principal said that she was withdrawn.
Probably when she missed the second day, the school called the aunt to check on her.
Maybe the aunt told them that she had gone to live with her mother.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 10:34:47 PM
HIGHT: An awful tragedy
 What a tragedy!

It’s likely that most people reading this column did not know 5-year-old Shaniya Davis. Yet, many of us feel a sense of loss.

This young girl had such an angelic face. It’s a face that remains emblazoned on our minds as our hearts ache over what appears to be the tragic end of her life.

It is believed that it was her body that was found in southern Lee County about 100 feet from Walker Road off N.C. 87.

It’s a case that has family and friends shaking their heads in disbelief, not to mention people around the world who have trouble understanding how such a tragedy could occur.

Moreso, I’m thinking of a precious 5-year-old girl whose life has come to a premature and unnecessary end.

A young girl who will miss future holidays ... and school dances ... and fun times.

A young girl who will miss the chance to grow into womanhood ... the chance to live a full life ... the chance to fulfill her hopes and dreams.

I think of the family and friends that she leaves behind, those of whom showered her with love ... and those of whom she loved in return.

Life is not supposed to end this way, especially for a young child.

It’s difficult to understand why some things occur. Especially tragedies. Especially involving a young child.

We can be thankful for Shaniya’s life and for the love she brought to this world.

Shaniya — the angel with the angelic face. And, now, she is among the angels in heaven.

http://sanfordherald.com/pages/full_story/push?article-HIGHT-+An+awful+tragedy%20&id=4515935&instance=latest_articles


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
Body ID’d, charges coming in Fayettevile girl's case

FAYETTEVILLE — Police in Fayetteville will discuss “new information received in the investigation” of the kidnapping and murder of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis today, according to a press release issued by the department Tuesday.

Davis’ body was located in the woods off Walker Road near the Lee-Harnett county line Monday afternoon, the department has also confirmed. Although police called off the search for the missing Davis after the discovery of a small child’s body Monday, they were slow to confirm that the body belonged to her.

More than 250 searchers combed more than a square mile of soggy, wooded terrain for nearly two days before the discovery Monday.

Fayetteville police had called a press conference about the case Tuesday, but later canceled it and said it would be rescheduled for 10 a.m. today because they’d received the new information. Police didn’t release any other details about the case.

Davis’ mother reported the girl missing from the family’s Fayetteville home in the early morning hours of Nov. 10, setting off an area-wide search that came to Lee County on Sunday after authorities received information that she might be in the area.

In the 9-1-1 call released by Fayetteville Police Tuesday afternoon, Antoinette Davis sounded emotional as she told the operator her child walked out of their home without her knowledge. She said the last time she saw Shaniya was 5:30 a.m. Tuesday before she “went back to bed. Shaniya was last seen in surveillance footage at Comfort Suites in Sanford Tuesday morning, according to police. She appeared alive, according to stills released by police, and was being carried by Mario McNeill, 29, of Fayetteville, a possible acquaintance of the Davis family.

McNeill was arrested Friday on charges of kidnapping, and Antoinette Davis, 25, was arrested on charges of human trafficking and felony child abuse. Authorities believe Davis sold her daughter to McNeill to prostitution.

Antoinette Davis initially implicated her ex-boyfriend, Clarence Coe, in the kidnapping. He was arrested by police but released a short time later after it was determined that Antoinette Davis allegedly lied about Coe’s involvement in the kidnapping.

Police have said further charges could be filed against McNeill or Antoinette Davis in connection with the child’s death, but nothing was announced Tuesday.

“We’ll put information together as far as charging someone (with murder) if the body is identified as Shaniya,” Theresa Chance of the Fayetteville Police Department said Monday.

Authorities have said McNeill admitted taking the girl, though his attorney said he will plead not guilty. Although the security footage from the Comfort Suites oshowed McNeill with the little girl, Chance has said the hotel offered no further clues about the case.
“The tapes have been turned over since then,” she said. “That footage was taken Tuesday, and we weren’t made aware of it until Wednesday.”

http://sanfordherald.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Body+ID%E2%80%99d-+charges+coming+in+Fayettevile+girl-s+case%20&id=4515825-Body+ID%E2%80%99d-+charges+coming+in+Fayettevile+girl-s+case&instance=main_article


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 10:42:40 PM
If this last article is accurate and the hotel offered no further clues about the case it is possible that Mario went to the hotel and waited for whomever and that person did not show.  A few calls were made and arrangements were made to hand Shaniya over at some other place.  This would fit with the statement that Mario turned himself in for kidnapping but had nothing to do with her murder.
Just throwing it out there. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 17, 2009, 10:45:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ienH4fHpGpE

In honor of Shaniya...so beautiful...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SuzieQ on November 17, 2009, 10:45:29 PM
Gypsy DD.... that is basically what I was trying to say. 

I think everyone is just angry about this whole situation. 

It is a HUGE cry to have custody type issues and other protective measures in place to protect the ones that can not protect themselves.




Jennifer34 and Gypsy DD, I am very angry about this case also but I know you both are exactly right. Have gone through an almost identical custody dispute in my own family.  If you do not have a court order it does no good to call LE. If you remove a child from a birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 10:47:33 PM
This is what I am thinking tell me what you think. I am just a beginner lol. 1 shaniya was not ever even there that night 2 she was already gone. 3 mario and maybe someone else if handed over thought it would be best to kill shaniya because she could tell. Or mario was picking shaniya up after her being there alnight with someone else at the motel. It just don't make any since to me. If I were mario I would not have turned myself in. And I sure would not say I kidnapped her. He could have made up a different excuse. Don't know what but it just don't make since. I don't think he would have turned his self in if HE was the one who killed little shaniya


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 10:48:29 PM
Not entirely correct. Whether the dad had a legal right to shaniya is not determined exclusively by the birth certificate. He was legally presumed to be the father based on his relationship with her and the fact that he'd raised her, supported her, educated her, and so forth.

Jess - I am not sure how it works there, but here in Michigan the affidavit of parentage that the guy must sign if he wants his name on the birth certificate (and is presented to him at the hospital at the time of the birth) states that "The mother has initial custody of the child, without prejudice to the determination of either parent’s custodial rights, until otherwise determined by the
court or agreed upon by the parties in writing and acknowledged by the court."  So I am pretty sure that in this case, the police would be powerless to order the mom to give the child back to the dad unless there was a court ordered custody agreement. I know that when my ex called the cops to get his kid back after mom's visitation ended he was told it was a civil matter and he would have to go to court to enforce and/or punish her for not following the rules.

That document is intended to acknowledge parentage and establish paternity.  Paternity was not an issue for Shaniya.  I don't doubt for one second that the cops took the position that the visitation issue is a civil matter--it absolutely is.  Police are powerless to order any parent to turn over his/her child to another parent, even if the parents are happily married.  But if the father showed up and took Shaniya, there's nothing "mom" could have done about it either.


Nope - in Michigan, the affidavit of parentage must be used if an unmarried couple wants to have the father's name on the birth certificate. Even if the parents agree that dad is dad they still have to have the affidavit of parentage done if dad want to be on the birth cert. Even if later mom goes in to get child support, the dad is not on the birth certificate unless he specifically request the court to enter an order to do it.

If you do not have an affidavit of parentage, then when you go into court, you must have a DNA test to prove that you are dad - then you get an judgment of filliation. Then the court may or may not order visitation based on the best interest factors. But they will order child support.

Like I said, Michigan is my only point of reference.

You might be right.  But the very reason why an unmarried couple would want to have the father's name on the birth certificate is to acknowledge paternity.  Yes, the dad would have to go to court if the parties can't agree on paternity AND the dad wants to be on the birth certificate, but that's not the issue with Shaniya. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Babybear on November 17, 2009, 10:51:44 PM
well papers or no papers ......custody or no custody...if I thought for one second that my child was in danger at the hands of this woman.....trust me....I would have gone there and gotten my child back,,,,,one way or the other.....it might have not been legal...but I would have her.......promise you that,.......been there...done that.......

A-fricken-men HH.  You and me alike.


I hate to say this, but it wasn't the aunt's child..had she done that she would have been arrested and the child placed with the mother until a court hearing..months away.

Does no one understand that custody rights in this country are bizarre at best.  Especially for father's who are not assigned custody..as in this case..the law would say you have no rights until you go to court ...LE would not and could not do anything.

The father and the aunt were not in a position to steal her..that is how the court would have seen this.  And if they would have had legal joint custody..nothing again..she was with her bio Mom.  LE nor her Dad nor Aunt could have stopped this.

The only person who could have stopped this is her Mom.  It is her Mom that sold this child...no one else.

I am becoming engrossed in this placing balme.  I will say that to me only the bio Mom and her cohorts are to blame.  I will step away now because I know that view is not popular.

Gypsy, your view is popular with at least one of us---Me.  In fact I think it's kind of cruel to bad mouth the father and aunt.  When one looks at the photos of Shaniya, obviously taken in nice surroundings and with beautiful matching clothes.  She was clean and hair done. There is no question in my mind that she was loved and cared for---While with her father's family.  I believe these people are truly suffering.  Unlike the Anthonys, Shaniya's father thanked all who searched and all who prayed for Shaniya.  I didn't quite understand the aunt's statement about how she would be watching all pedophiles and she and Shaniya would not go quietly into night, but people say odd things when under stress. Paraphrasing Dylon Thomas apparently, but I believe that poem is about old age.  I guess she meant she would  be more aware, but I don't think she scared any pedophiles.  They will keep on keeping on.

The fact of the matter is that already there are laws with strict penalties which apply to every action AD and MM took in regard to Shaniya.  Kidnapping and murder certainly are severely punished.  But every pedophile, every murderer, every kidnapper knows that they are acting outside the law, but do it anyway.  I see no way for society to prevent these dregs of society doing what they do. Maybe we can prevent a second time, though. Perhaps make it impossible for judges to be so lenient and have mandatory sentences which judges must apply. But as far I we can tell, nothing in MM's background and rap sheet indicated he had these proclivities so there would be no way he could have been jailed in advance. I can only hope that parents take warning from these cases and hold their children dear and close.  Protect them from these monsters by knowing where their little ones are and seeing that they are never away from the company of a responsible adult.  Other than that, I see no possible way to prevent these horrendous actions.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Babybear on November 17, 2009, 10:59:19 PM
This is what I am thinking tell me what you think. I am just a beginner lol. 1 shaniya was not ever even there that night 2 she was already gone. 3 mario and maybe someone else if handed over thought it would be best to kill shaniya because she could tell. Or mario was picking shaniya up after her being there alnight with someone else at the motel. It just don't make any since to me. If I were mario I would not have turned myself in. And I sure would not say I kidnapped her. He could have made up a different excuse. Don't know what but it just don't make since. I don't think he would have turned his self in if HE was the one who killed little shaniya

I agree, Luvmyboys.  It doesn't make any sense at all.  I. too, think she was gone long before her mother called the police.   Maybe a long time.  We don't really know if the aunt or father talked to Shaniya on the phone, so it could have been days she was being passed around.  But it does appear that she was wearing the blue tee shirt she was purported to be wearing when she was taken and in which her body was found,  so we can hope her suffering didn't last long. MMs actions are a mystery to me, too.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 17, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
This is what I am thinking tell me what you think. I am just a beginner lol. 1 shaniya was not ever even there that night 2 she was already gone. 3 mario and maybe someone else if handed over thought it would be best to kill shaniya because she could tell. Or mario was picking shaniya up after her being there alnight with someone else at the motel. It just don't make any since to me. If I were mario I would not have turned myself in. And I sure would not say I kidnapped her. He could have made up a different excuse. Don't know what but it just don't make since. I don't think he would have turned his self in if HE was the one who killed little shaniya

I agree that the entire scenario does not make sense.

If Antoinette and Mario were both involved, why the call to 911 while Mario still had Shaniya with him?

Unless as others have said, someone else in the house woke and saw she was not there an d pressured Antoinette to make the call.

In that case, it would definitely make sense as Antoinette completely screwed up the call to 911.

IMO, Shaniya's clothing is setting off bells to me - I don't know why.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 17, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
luvmyboys ... very good thought.  If that idiot did kill her, he probably would not have turned himself in, however... he is still the idiot on camera  .. the last one seen with her ... now its just up to the dna on her body.  God love her...

A little off topic ... I have a friend, with a son, not married to the mother of his daughter .. she is now 12, no custody ever discussed, partially because of what it costs just to go to court.  Begged and pleaded with them, that this WOULD become an issue and the dad would be SCREWED because they basically have NO rights (where I live) and now, 20k later, that my friend has begged, borrowed and stole, so to speak, just to give her son to go to court on behalf of their grandchild, of which they have NO rights, short of the parents both being dead.... at least he now has court ordered visitation. 

Long story short.. it is a very convoluted, expensive process and until you have been in those shoes ....

I guess at this point, there is PLENTY of blame to throw around and nothing will bring this baby back, hopefully it will open the eyes to others and they will learn from it and as I said before, when things look amiss, they probably are and just make the call .....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 11:03:28 PM
Gypsy DD.... that is basically what I was trying to say. 

I think everyone is just angry about this whole situation. 

It is a HUGE cry to have custody type issues and other protective measures in place to protect the ones that can not protect themselves.




Jennifer34 and Gypsy DD, I am very angry about this case also but I know you both are exactly right. Have gone through an almost identical custody dispute in my own family.  If you do not have a court order it does no good to call LE. If you remove a child from a birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping.

I'd offer the following revision to the statement in red:  "If you remove a child from the CUSTODIAL birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping."  This is an important distinction, as the issue of whether a parent can kidnap his or her own child boils down to the issue of whether the parent is entitled to custody, and whether removing the child is an attempt to deprive that parent of his or her custodial rights, not whether the mother is the birth mother or not.  For example, if the father has sole custody with the birth mother retaining visitation, the birth mother can kidnap the child by refusing to return the child to the father, and it would be the birth mother whose the one going to jail.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 17, 2009, 11:08:47 PM
Gypsy DD.... that is basically what I was trying to say. 

I think everyone is just angry about this whole situation. 

It is a HUGE cry to have custody type issues and other protective measures in place to protect the ones that can not protect themselves.




Jennifer34 and Gypsy DD, I am very angry about this case also but I know you both are exactly right. Have gone through an almost identical custody dispute in my own family.  If you do not have a court order it does no good to call LE. If you remove a child from a birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping.

I'd offer the following revision to the statement in red:  "If you remove a child from the CUSTODIAL birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping."  This is an important distinction, as the issue of whether a parent can kidnap his or her own child boils down to the issue of whether the parent is entitled to custody, and whether removing the child is an attempt to deprive that parent of his or her custodial rights, not whether the mother is the birth mother or not.  For example, if the father has sole custody with the birth mother retaining visitation, the birth mother can kidnap the child by refusing to return the child to the father, and it would be the birth mother whose the one going to jail.


SELF EDIT:  Forgot this.  This is from the federal Parental Kidnapping Prevention Act:

"The term “parental kidnapping” encompasses the taking, retention or concealment of a child by a
parent, other family member, or their agent, in derogation of the custody rights, including visitation
rights, of another parent or family member."

 http://www.abanet.org/child/pkprevrem.pdf



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
What I am thinking is that shaniya was taken from the home at around 5 30 like the egg donor accidently said the 1st time on the 911 tape. And was gone all night. But I feel very strongly do not think mm killed her. As stupid as he is. I feel like he would never turned his self in


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 11:17:50 PM
************WARNING  - THIS ARTICLE IS VERY UPSETTING!!!!!!***********

Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home

Fayetteville, N.C.
Several people who were close to 5-year-Old Shaniya Davis and her father Brad Lockhart say they tried to intervene in the child’s life, because they felt the youngster was at risk.

A close friend of Brad’s, and his ex-father in-law both say they offered to take in Shaniya rather than let her live with her mother, because they say when the child was in the custody of her mother, bad things happened to her.


“My wife says she saw cigarette burns on Shaniya's arms,” said Lockhart’s friend Tim Allen who says he is very angry over what happened.

Byron Coleman, Brad Lockhart's ex-father in law,  said Shaniya “had burns on her legs, arms and things” after visits with her mother.


“She had a cigarette burn on the corner of her eye which she claimed her grandma did when she went over there,” added Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne Lockhart.

The three all claimed to NBC-17 that the 5-yr-old suffered physical abuse while in the custody of her mother.

“When you wanted sex that's where you went,” said Coleman. “You knew what the girl was doing. You knew what she associated with, so why place your daughter in that situation?”

Because of that, Brad Lockhart’s ex-father-in-law blames Lockhart for Shaniya’s death.

“To me Shaniya would be alive today if she wasn't placed in that situation,” claims Coleman.

Coleman says he offered to give Shaniya a home, but says Brad Lockhart declined his offer.

Tim Allen tells a similar story.

“He had an alternative, I gave him a way out,” but Allen said Lockhart would not let him take care of Shaniya.

“I'm fighting mad. All this could have been avoided,” said Allen.

Allen had already taken in Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne, because she said her dad wouldn't take care of her.

And Cheyenne says Brad Lockhart did not provide for Shaniya.

“He didn't take care of her, his girlfriends took care of her, she said. “He loved her, but she was raised by other people. “He hasn't been in her life.”

Meanwhile, the Cumberland County Department of Social Services says at this time, it can't comment on what it was doing with regard to Shaniya Davis because those comments might compromise the on-going criminal investigation.

VIDEO AT THIS LINK AS WELL

http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news%7CSports%7CLifestyles/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 17, 2009, 11:21:59 PM
EXCELLENT point Jess star!  Most people dont really "know" the law and I am def. not making excuses, and given only the statements we have been privy too .. who in their wildest dreams would have thought that child was in that kind of danger?  I am guessing the Aunt probably wasnt happy about this, but figured maybe, hey when  brother gets back, we will get this settled, so to speak?  I dont know?  Its just hard to wrap your head around anyone thinking anyone would possibly be leaving a child in danger? 

In my opinion, the thing here is the laws for this type of crime as well as "paternity, custody" issues need to be re evaluated! 

That baby's death needs to be a voice to change the laws so this doesnt happen again. 

There are ALOT of children out there that do not have a COURT ORDERED CUSTODIAL PARENTS, which possibly puts them in peril from the get go.

ok, I ma rambling, just mad, because this could have been prevented on so many levels from the "parents" to the school etc.

I only hope to see some changes because of this and I will be glad for it to start with ME and legislation. Not sure how, but more than willing to do SOMETHING!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 11:26:28 PM
Wow, that opens up a whole new can of worms. Guess dad isn't so innocent. Maybe his one night stand with mom was paid for in fact? If he knew she was a prostiture than I have no sympathy for him at all.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 11:28:45 PM
Counties jostle over jurisdiction in Shaniya Davis case

Officials from Lee and Cumberland counties plan to meet today to decide which agency will handle the death investigation of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis.

Her body was found about 1 p.m. Monday off Walker Road, about six miles south of Sanford in Lee County.

Her mother, Antoinette Davis, and a Fayetteville man are charged in her disappearance.

Antoinette Davis reported the child missing from her home in the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park at 6:53 a.m. Nov. 10.

In a 911 call released by police, a distraught-sounding Davis tells a dispatcher she last saw Shaniya at 5:30 a.m. Davis says she looked all over the Murchison Road neighborhood and couldn't find the child. Davis also says Shaniya knew how to unlock the front door.

"I checked everywhere. ... I don't know what else to do," Davis says on the tape.

Lee County District Attorney Susan Doyle said she is meeting this afternoon with Fayetteville police and her Cumberland County counterparts to work out jurisdictional issues.

Jurisdiction is generally determined by the location where the crime is committed, according to a news release from the Fayetteville Police Department.

That could put the death investigation into the hands of the Lee County Sheriff's Office or the Sanford Police Department.

The case can be considered a continuous series of acts that originated in Fayetteville, giving Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis and the Police Department jurisdiction.

State and federal officials met with Fayetteville police Tuesday to determine whether additional charges were needed.

Brenda Reid Jackson, director of the Cumberland County Department of Social Services, said her agency met Tuesday with the District Attorney's Office to review what it knew about Davis and her children.

Social Services is reported to have a history with the family, only recently allowing the children to stay with their mother.


Capt. Charles Kimble, the lead police investigator, plans to make a statement during a briefing at 10 a.m. today at the Police Department. Police offered no details as to what he would say.

Police have charged Antoinette Davis with human trafficking, child abuse involving prostitution, filing a false police report and obstructing an investigation. Detectives are looking into whether Davis owed McNeill money, a police source said.

Shaniya was last seen alive on surveillance video from the Comfort Suites hotel in Sanford in footage that was time-stamped 6:11 a.m.

Shaniya was being carried into a room by a man Fayetteville police say was 29-year-old Mario Andrette McNeill of Fayetteville.

Police said Tuesday they have determined Shaniya was alive when she left the hotel about 7:30 a.m.

Her body was positively identified Tuesday by the state Medical Examiner's Office, but a cause of death had not been determined, police said.

Davis initially claimed another man, Clarence D. Coe, was responsible for Shaniya's disappearance, police have said. Davis makes no mention of anyone taking Shaniya in the 911 call.

A kidnapping charge against Coe was dismissed after McNeill was arrested Friday.

McNeill, who is in jail, is charged with first-degree kidnapping.

His lawyer, Allen Rogers of Fayetteville, said Tuesday he had no new information on the case. Rogers was asked if McNeill had explained why he was seen on the videotape with Shaniya in his arms.

"I can't comment on that," Rogers said.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/17/952898


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 17, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
Your right NR, very upsetting.  I did just read that he has 5 children from 3 different mothers?  None of them are with him?  Not sure of the circumstances.  Afraid that the more that comes out, the worse this will be. 

All that can be done at this point is change the laws and at VERY LEAST, the d@mn death penalty in cases that involve giving up children for the sex slave industry.  WAAAAAY  harsher punishment for people even remotely involved in this type of crime.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 11:30:28 PM
Wow, that opens up a whole new can of worms. Guess dad isn't so innocent. Maybe his one night stand with mom was paid for in fact? If he knew she was a prostiture than I have no sympathy for him at all.

Seems like everyone knew she was a pro.  Maybe that is what Coe meant when he said he never saw Shaniya on the couch as the couch was where AD did her tricks?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 11:32:32 PM
Your right NR, very upsetting.  I did just read that he has 5 children from 3 different mothers?  None of them are with him?  Not sure of the circumstances.  Afraid that the more that comes out, the worse this will be. 

All that can be done at this point is change the laws and at VERY LEAST, the d@mn death penalty in cases that involve giving up children for the sex slave industry.  WAAAAAY  harsher punishment for people even remotely involved in this type of crime.

Yes and Social Services does not have clean hands either.
"Social Services is reported to have a history with the family, only recently allowing the children to stay with their mother."


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 11:35:10 PM
EXCELLENT point Jess star!  Most people dont really "know" the law and I am def. not making excuses, and given only the statements we have been privy too .. who in their wildest dreams would have thought that child was in that kind of danger?  I am guessing the Aunt probably wasnt happy about this, but figured maybe, hey when  brother gets back, we will get this settled, so to speak?  I dont know?  Its just hard to wrap your head around anyone thinking anyone would possibly be leaving a child in danger? 

In my opinion, the thing here is the laws for this type of crime as well as "paternity, custody" issues need to be re evaluated! 

That baby's death needs to be a voice to change the laws so this doesnt happen again. 

There are ALOT of children out there that do not have a COURT ORDERED CUSTODIAL PARENTS, which possibly puts them in peril from the get go.

ok, I ma rambling, just mad, because this could have been prevented on so many levels from the "parents" to the school etc.

I only hope to see some changes because of this and I will be glad for it to start with ME and legislation. Not sure how, but more than willing to do SOMETHING!


i agree, the laws are so confusing, and a lot of times unless you have money to spend on a good lawyer, it is so hard to navigage the murky waters of family court for custody issues.... in fact, did you know that there are actually FOUR different types of legal fathers...yes FOUR. it is insane. the laws are in place for  a reason tho, and so many times i feel like the laws protect the parents more than the innocent children. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 11:35:36 PM
************WARNING  - THIS ARTICLE IS VERY UPSETTING!!!!!!***********

Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home

Fayetteville, N.C.
Several people who were close to 5-year-Old Shaniya Davis and her father Brad Lockhart say they tried to intervene in the child’s life, because they felt the youngster was at risk.

A close friend of Brad’s, and his ex-father in-law both say they offered to take in Shaniya rather than let her live with her mother, because they say when the child was in the custody of her mother, bad things happened to her.


“My wife says she saw cigarette burns on Shaniya's arms,” said Lockhart’s friend Tim Allen who says he is very angry over what happened.

Byron Coleman, Brad Lockhart's ex-father in law,  said Shaniya “had burns on her legs, arms and things” after visits with her mother.


“She had a cigarette burn on the corner of her eye which she claimed her grandma did when she went over there,” added Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne Lockhart.

The three all claimed to NBC-17 that the 5-yr-old suffered physical abuse while in the custody of her mother.

“When you wanted sex that's where you went,” said Coleman. “You knew what the girl was doing. You knew what she associated with, so why place your daughter in that situation?”

Because of that, Brad Lockhart’s ex-father-in-law blames Lockhart for Shaniya’s death.

“To me Shaniya would be alive today if she wasn't placed in that situation,” claims Coleman.

Coleman says he offered to give Shaniya a home, but says Brad Lockhart declined his offer.

Tim Allen tells a similar story.

“He had an alternative, I gave him a way out,” but Allen said Lockhart would not let him take care of Shaniya.

“I'm fighting mad. All this could have been avoided,” said Allen.

Allen had already taken in Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne, because she said her dad wouldn't take care of her.

And Cheyenne says Brad Lockhart did not provide for Shaniya.

“He didn't take care of her, his girlfriends took care of her, she said. “He loved her, but she was raised by other people. “He hasn't been in her life.”

Meanwhile, the Cumberland County Department of Social Services says at this time, it can't comment on what it was doing with regard to Shaniya Davis because those comments might compromise the on-going criminal investigation.

VIDEO AT THIS LINK AS WELL

http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news%7CSports%7CLifestyles/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home


WOW, Northern Rose,
That article is very telling, and even Cheyenne confirms what the men are saying.
My heart aches for that poor baby.  She was only five years old.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 11:39:37 PM
Shaniya Davis's death can bring attention to trafficking of children

The tragic tale of Shaniya Davis focuses attention on a problem that no one wants to talk about, the reality of human trafficking.

The death of an innocent 5-year-old fills our hearts with sorrow. Her autopsy results may lead us down unspeakable pathways.

Shaniya's mother faces charges that make us fume, allegedly selling her little girl's dignity and self worth.

At least it forces us to think about the disgraceful statistic, the number of children in the nation who suffer the same fate.

Approximately 200,000 American children are at risk of being trafficked into the sex industry each year.

We need more extensive training of law enforcement to investigate human trafficking. We also need legislators to pass tougher laws.

Maybe one of these days a statute will be named "Shaniya's Law."

http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d17-Shaniya-Daviss-death-can-bring-attention-to-trafficking-of-children


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 11:39:43 PM
Your right NR, very upsetting.  I did just read that he has 5 children from 3 different mothers?  None of them are with him?  Not sure of the circumstances.  Afraid that the more that comes out, the worse this will be. 

All that can be done at this point is change the laws and at VERY LEAST, the d@mn death penalty in cases that involve giving up children for the sex slave industry.  WAAAAAY  harsher punishment for people even remotely involved in this type of crime.

Yes and Social Services does not have clean hands either.
"Social Services is reported to have a history with the family, only recently allowing the children to stay with their mother."

with all due respect, social service agencies arent psychics. it is not legal to put cameras in peoples homes 24/7 to monitor every behavior of the parents and children. there are so many legal issues involved, it is not fair to blame social services.  if child protective services removed every single child from a home that they got a report on a lot of people would not have their children, including a lot of innocent people who have the been victims of false reports to child protective services. 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 11:40:20 PM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 17, 2009, 11:42:19 PM
Yep I am mad as he**  that he allowed her to go with that pos. But I also look @ it like this he was NOT the one pimping his daughter out. Was not the one that was letting men hurt little shaniya. But I also understand if she was never there none of this would have happen. Omg I am so angry. Right now I could punch a wall. Jeez wth is wrong with people why can they not open there eyes and just kept them open. It is like I always tell everyone be aware always think real hard b 4 u react.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 17, 2009, 11:42:33 PM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.

I got the feeling he was controlling his son and wanted to remind him not to talk about certain things. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 17, 2009, 11:43:12 PM
This baby didnt have a chance.  Cant say I blame all the responsibility on the Aunt.  There is PLENTY of blame to go around in this case.  Regardless of that ... I would like to see changes in the law for "selling" or what ever you call giving up children for that purpose.  I am not sure how just yet, and I can only speak for myself, but I will figure out a way to make this case MATTER as far as trying to at least get laws changed at least for harsher punishment.  IT IS the most heinous of crimes.  Perhaps that is what Coe meant by "educated people figure it out"  perhaps she was just a prostitute, doing what she does and selling her own child?  God have mercy on her soul because she and everyone involved with the demise of this child is going to need it!! ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 11:46:02 PM
From what I just read I feel like the dad is just as much to blame. Of course, he didn't commit the crime but he knew she was being abused when she went there. Sounds to me like he just didn't feel like taking care of her anymore. He pawned his other daughter off on a neighbor. Who does something like that? I also said before that Murchison Road which is the road Sleepy Hollow park is off of is a terrible area. It's a very high crime area. People call it "The Murk" and it has always had a bad rep. If I was the kid's parent, I wouldn't let her anywhere near there. This dad knew he was putting her in a bad situation. In my mind, he is just as bad.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 17, 2009, 11:46:58 PM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.

I got the feeling he was controlling his son and wanted to remind him not to talk about certain things. 

Earlier today when a reporter asked him about Cheyenne's statement that they knew Antionette
was still doing drugs, he said something like she's not allowed to talk about that.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 11:48:54 PM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.

I got the feeling he was controlling his son and wanted to remind him not to talk about certain things. 

Earlier today when a reporter asked him about Cheyenne's statement that they knew Antionette
was still doing drugs, he said something like she's not allowed to talk about that.

Yeah but I doubt that the police told him not to talk about that. It's just because it makes him look bad. I hope that there are charges against the father also now.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 17, 2009, 11:48:53 PM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.

I got the feeling he was controlling his son and wanted to remind him not to talk about certain things. 

I got a very uneasy feeling when the son was talking and the dad would not say anything you know would have let the dad talk, after last night when Cheyenne was on NG I thought oops you are saying to much.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 17, 2009, 11:50:43 PM
Your right NR, very upsetting.  I did just read that he has 5 children from 3 different mothers?  None of them are with him?  Not sure of the circumstances.  Afraid that the more that comes out, the worse this will be. 

All that can be done at this point is change the laws and at VERY LEAST, the d@mn death penalty in cases that involve giving up children for the sex slave industry.  WAAAAAY  harsher punishment for people even remotely involved in this type of crime.

Yes and Social Services does not have clean hands either.
"Social Services is reported to have a history with the family, only recently allowing the children to stay with their mother."

with all due respect, social service agencies arent psychics. it is not legal to put cameras in peoples homes 24/7 to monitor every behavior of the parents and children. there are so many legal issues involved, it is not fair to blame social services.  if child protective services removed every single child from a home that they got a report on a lot of people would not have their children, including a lot of innocent people who have the been victims of false reports to child protective services. 



If it came across that I blame Shaniya's death on social services it was not my meaning or intent.  If the previous article is based in fact than many people knew the mother's home was not a safe environment.  If Shaniya was burnt at the house of her mother and talked about it then Brad was more culpable at letting her go back there than anyone.  I meant that for the 5 years of her life many people had let her down by not protecting her and with social services having a history with this mother and just recently letting the kids go back there they are one more of many who let Shaniya down.  I truly believe that her death could have been prevented had all the adults in her life protected her from a bad situation that was not a new bad situation by the sounds of things.  Brad should have not let her go back there unsupervised after coming back with burns and should have been jumping up and down about it once she was allowed to be with the kids again.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 11:53:18 PM
From what I just read I feel like the dad is just as much to blame. Of course, he didn't commit the crime but he knew she was being abused when she went there. Sounds to me like he just didn't feel like taking care of her anymore. He pawned his other daughter off on a neighbor. Who does something like that? I also said before that Murchison Road which is the road Sleepy Hollow park is off of is a terrible area. It's a very high crime area. People call it "The Murk" and it has always had a bad rep. If I was the kid's parent, I wouldn't let her anywhere near there. This dad knew he was putting her in a bad situation. In my mind, he is just as bad.


there is tons of blame that can go around in this case. if the people that were quoted in the recent article talking about shaniya's dad were so concerned then why didnt they call and make a report? if they were aware of what was going on then i believe they had a responsibility to report it.  it's possible they did, but why run to the papers now about it when they could have called in to the appropriate authorities when this was happening?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sunshine12 on November 17, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
Your right NR, very upsetting.  I did just read that he has 5 children from 3 different mothers?  None of them are with him?  Not sure of the circumstances.  Afraid that the more that comes out, the worse this will be. 

All that can be done at this point is change the laws and at VERY LEAST, the d@mn death penalty in cases that involve giving up children for the sex slave industry.  WAAAAAY  harsher punishment for people even remotely involved in this type of crime.

Yes and Social Services does not have clean hands either.
"Social Services is reported to have a history with the family, only recently allowing the children to stay with their mother."

with all due respect, social service agencies arent psychics. it is not legal to put cameras in peoples homes 24/7 to monitor every behavior of the parents and children. there are so many legal issues involved, it is not fair to blame social services.  if child protective services removed every single child from a home that they got a report on a lot of people would not have their children, including a lot of innocent people who have the been victims of false reports to child protective services. 



If it came across that I blame Shaniya's death on social services it was not my meaning or intent.  If the previous article is based in fact than many people knew the mother's home was not a safe environment.  If Shaniya was burnt at the house of her mother and talked about it then Brad was more culpable at letting her go back there than anyone.  I meant that for the 5 years of her life many people had let her down by not protecting her and with social services having a history with this mother and just recently letting the kids go back there they are one more of many who let Shaniya down.  I truly believe that her death could have been prevented had all the adults in her life protected her from a bad situation that was not a new bad situation by the sounds of things.  Brad should have not let her go back there unsupervised after coming back with burns and should have been jumping up and down about it once she was allowed to be with the kids again.


i agree. if it is determined that brad knew about this situation, and let her go there, then in my mind he is a perpetrator by omission.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 11:56:38 PM
I just read that Brad was paying child support for Shaniya? Why was he paying child support if she lived with him?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 17, 2009, 11:57:58 PM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.

I got the feeling he was controlling his son and wanted to remind him not to talk about certain things. 

Earlier today when a reporter asked him about Cheyenne's statement that they knew Antionette
was still doing drugs, he said something like she's not allowed to talk about that.

I caught that too Magnolia.  We are seeing a totally dysfunctional extended family and Shaniya paid the ultimate price. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 17, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
From what I just read I feel like the dad is just as much to blame. Of course, he didn't commit the crime but he knew she was being abused when she went there. Sounds to me like he just didn't feel like taking care of her anymore. He pawned his other daughter off on a neighbor. Who does something like that? I also said before that Murchison Road which is the road Sleepy Hollow park is off of is a terrible area. It's a very high crime area. People call it "The Murk" and it has always had a bad rep. If I was the kid's parent, I wouldn't let her anywhere near there. This dad knew he was putting her in a bad situation. In my mind, he is just as bad.


there is tons of blame that can go around in this case. if the people that were quoted in the recent article talking about shaniya's dad were so concerned then why didnt they call and make a report? if they were aware of what was going on then i believe they had a responsibility to report it.  it's possible they did, but why run to the papers now about it when they could have called in to the appropriate authorities when this was happening?

I agree with you on this. They should have reported it. I know I would have myself in a heartbeat.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jennifer34 on November 18, 2009, 12:00:04 AM
Well, I feel kind of stupid now, after watching the NG show tonight and reading the things that have come out.  Looks like dad is good at passing the buck.  He has all of these children, yet takes care of none of them physically??  Perhaps he just sends money?   Who knows?  Maybe I just want to think he is not to blame because that left that baby with no one.   

I better take a time out, because I am just plain furiously mad at the whole mess!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jan_in_Tx on November 18, 2009, 12:01:25 AM
O/T
I just created this thread...don't know much but saw it on the news tonight...so sad this keeps happening...no perps at this time...and hardly ANY media coverage--(I had to use the search engine to find the story)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6532.0


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 12:06:08 AM
From what I just read I feel like the dad is just as much to blame. Of course, he didn't commit the crime but he knew she was being abused when she went there. Sounds to me like he just didn't feel like taking care of her anymore. He pawned his other daughter off on a neighbor. Who does something like that? I also said before that Murchison Road which is the road Sleepy Hollow park is off of is a terrible area. It's a very high crime area. People call it "The Murk" and it has always had a bad rep. If I was the kid's parent, I wouldn't let her anywhere near there. This dad knew he was putting her in a bad situation. In my mind, he is just as bad.


there is tons of blame that can go around in this case. if the people that were quoted in the recent article talking about shaniya's dad were so concerned then why didnt they call and make a report? if they were aware of what was going on then i believe they had a responsibility to report it.  it's possible they did, but why run to the papers now about it when they could have called in to the appropriate authorities when this was happening?

I agree with you on this. They should have reported it. I know I would have myself in a heartbeat.

I called Social Services one time about a child that was being beaten.  He was 8 years old and was being
hit 50 licks at a time with a belt.  It really upset me.  Social Services treated me like I was bothering them.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Ariana on November 18, 2009, 12:30:02 AM
From what I just read I feel like the dad is just as much to blame. Of course, he didn't commit the crime but he knew she was being abused when she went there. Sounds to me like he just didn't feel like taking care of her anymore. He pawned his other daughter off on a neighbor. Who does something like that? I also said before that Murchison Road which is the road Sleepy Hollow park is off of is a terrible area. It's a very high crime area. People call it "The Murk" and it has always had a bad rep. If I was the kid's parent, I wouldn't let her anywhere near there. This dad knew he was putting her in a bad situation. In my mind, he is just as bad.


there is tons of blame that can go around in this case. if the people that were quoted in the recent article talking about shaniya's dad were so concerned then why didnt they call and make a report? if they were aware of what was going on then i believe they had a responsibility to report it.  it's possible they did, but why run to the papers now about it when they could have called in to the appropriate authorities when this was happening?

I agree with you on this. They should have reported it. I know I would have myself in a heartbeat.

I called Social Services one time about a child that was being beaten.  He was 8 years old and was being
hit 50 licks at a time with a belt.  It really upset me.  Social Services treated me like I was bothering them.

My ex called on some parents who were neglecting their kids.  Their dog bit their daughte and she needed stitches and they lied to the hospitalabout what happened because they seem to love their dogmore than their daughter.  They still have thatdog too.  They also don't take their kids to the doctor, let their kids miss school if they are just running late, don't cook or clean, and when their oldest got hospitalized for being bipolar and attacking the father they had her hospitalized and then NEVER followed up on carefor her disorder after that.  The same girl had a tumor on her ovary and had to have surgery, her mother scheduled a surgery for herself on the same day and wasn't even there for her daughter because she was in her own bed.  The doctor said for her to take her back for her post op six weeks check up and the mom NEVER did.  The girl is now a grown woman and gotmarried just to get insurance so she could go get her own medical stuff taken care of that hermother never followed up on.  The State was all happy too look into it until my ex told them that the father was a cop, they then refused to look into the family at all and said that the information was too old (even though the younger daughter had just gotten stitches for that dog biting her) and then quickly got off the phone.  I don't have a personal vendetta or anything against Child Protective Services but they seriously dropped the ball when they were called on that family but there are other families that happens with as well.  Maybe Social Services was called on the father, I doubt we will ever know.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tina Bee on November 18, 2009, 12:31:07 AM
(http://image.blingee.com/images17/content/output/000/000/000/61b/525922953_176848.gif) (http://blingee.com/blingee/view/102450530-Shaniya)

Just thought I'd share this with everyone. Shaniya is at peace now. She's truly an angel.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 18, 2009, 12:31:13 AM
Baltimore Part Of Human Trafficking Problem, Experts Say
Task Force Training Officers To Spot Potential Victims


BALTIMORE -- Local advocates are using a tragic story of a 5-year-old sold as a sex slave, to talk about human rights abuses in Baltimore.

On Tuesday, authorities in Fayetteville, N.C., confirmed that a body discovered yesterday is that of 5 year-old Shaniya Davis.

Detectives accuse the girl's mother, Antoinette Davis, 25, of selling the child as a sex slave. Mario McNeil, 29, is being charged in Davis' kidnapping.

"Sorry baby that you have to do this, you are in a better place. You are in better hands. You don't have to hurt no more," Shaniya's father, Bradley Lockhart, said.

Numbers are difficult to come by in the shadowy world of child sex trafficking, but it is prevalent enough in Maryland that there is a state task force assembled to address the issue.

WBAL-TV 11 News spoke to a member of the task force who has spent years trying to reach victims.

Sidney Ford, of You Are Not Alone, or YANA, is part of Maryland's Human Trafficking Task Force. She's counseled women who have sold their own children into prostitution and she said there are willing buyers in the Baltimore area.

"Right here in Baltimore, there are people who are willing to pay big bucks to have sex with children. (It) fuels the market for this really abhorrent practice," Ford said.

Ford said there are often missed opportunities to help victims like Shaniya before it's too late. She trains police officers to look out for potential red flags.

"In their routine calls, emergency rooms, down the street, when they see certain types of situations happening that they ask questions that go beyond the immediate situations," Ford said.

Situations which she said play out on Baltimore streets every day and often come to light if you ask the right questions.

"A woman saw an 11-year-old out on the corner. Her mother flew out of her house and said, 'You need to make $500 tonight or I will beat your ass,'" Ford said.

It's too late to save Shaniya, but those who advocate against human sex trafficking hope her story will shine light on the practice.

Ford adds that traffickers, including parents, often threaten kids or get them hooked on drugs or alcohol to make them less likely to run away or ask for help.

There is a national hotline set up for victims -- that number is 1-800-373-7888.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/21647344/detail.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 12:33:43 AM
This is from the Fayetteville ******* Re: McNeil's record

Published: 11:06 PM, Tue Nov 17, 2009
Probation ended early for suspect in Shaniya Davis case By Greg Barnes
Staff writer

 Three weeks before Shaniya Davis disappeared, the Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping her was allowed to end his supervised probation six months early.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, was on unsupervised probation when police say he kidnapped 5-year-old Shaniya on Nov. 10, according to Cumberland County court records.

At 6:11 that morning, video surveillance at the Comfort Suites in Sanford captured a man police identified as McNeill carrying Shaniya into the motel.

Shaniya's body was found Monday in woods off a rural road south of Sanford.

McNeill appears to have been treated with leniency for years by an overburdened court system.

On June 17, 2001, court documents show, McNeill shot Roland Lee Mays in the face, neck, shoulder, chest and stomach. The records indicate that McNeill injured two other people that day, as well. He was charged with multiple counts of assault inflicting serious bodily injury.

A year later, apparently while awaiting trial in the shootings, McNeill was charged with possessing marijuana and trying to manufacture and sell it.

The charges from the two cases were consolidated, records show, and McNeill was allowed to plead guilty to lesser counts. He was sentenced to 40 to 50 months of supervised probation in June 2003, the records show.

Two months later, in August 2003, McNeill violated terms of his probation by failing to notify probation officers of his whereabouts. He was sent to prison. Records show that he entered the prison system in October 2003 and was released in May 2006.

It didn't take long for McNeill to get into trouble again. Three months after his release, records show, McNeill was charged with possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use.

The records show that McNeill pleaded guilty to reduced charges - a misdemeanor offense of maintaining a vehicle for drug use - and again was placed on supervised probation, on Jan. 1, 2007.

As part of the plea deal, District Court Judge Kim Tucker told McNeill that he could go on unsupervised probation if he tested negative for drugs three consecutive times, records show.

While still on supervised probation, McNeill was charged in April 2007 with possessing cocaine, records show. He was charged again in September 2007 - this time with hitting Fayetteville police officer R. Grimm with his vehicle while trying to flee from the corner of Bragg Boulevard and Ames Street. Records indicate Grimm was injured, but they don't say how badly. McNeill was charged that day with trying to elude arrest, reckless driving and assault on a government official.

Two months later - on Nov. 30, 2007 - Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson allowed McNeill's probation status to be changed from supervised to unsupervised, records show.

Wayne Marshburn, who oversees the probation office in Cumberland County, said he had not fully reviewed McNeill's probation documents.

But Marshburn said people who behave while on probation typically serve only about half of their term.

McNeill was six months shy of 24 months on supervised probation when a judge agreed to place him on unsupervised probation. It's unclear from the records which judge made that decision.

"He had done well on probation," Marshburn said. "He had done everything he needed to do."

In many cases, Marshburn said, probation officers make recommendations to the court on whether someone's probation should be terminated.

But in 2007, he said, his office wasn't always notified when a person on probation had been charged with another crime.

That is much less likely to happen now, Marshburn said, in part because of the slaying of UNC student president Eve Carson in March 2008.

Since then, the state's probation department has come under intense scrutiny because one of the men accused of Carson's murder should have gone before a judge on a probation violation months before she was shot to death.

Laws that go into effect in December will further address problems with the state's parole and probation system, Marshburn said.

He called Shaniya's death a horrible tragedy, but he said there is no guarantee that she would still be alive today had McNeill remained on supervised probation.

"Hindsight is always very clear," he said. "People do bad things while being supervised. That provides solace to nobody. That's not what I would want to hear. But it's a fact.

"The bottom line, I still am satisfied with how our office handled the case."

Staff writer Greg Barnes can be reached at barnesg@fayobserver.com or 486-3525.
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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tina Bee on November 18, 2009, 12:39:43 AM


My ex called on some parents who were neglecting their kids.  Their dog bit their daughte and she needed stitches and they lied to the hospitalabout what happened because they seem to love their dogmore than their daughter.  They still have thatdog too.  They also don't take their kids to the doctor, let their kids miss school if they are just running late, don't cook or clean, and when their oldest got hospitalized for being bipolar and attacking the father they had her hospitalized and then NEVER followed up on carefor her disorder after that.  The same girl had a tumor on her ovary and had to have surgery, her mother scheduled a surgery for herself on the same day and wasn't even there for her daughter because she was in her own bed.  The doctor said for her to take her back for her post op six weeks check up and the mom NEVER did.  The girl is now a grown woman and gotmarried just to get insurance so she could go get her own medical stuff taken care of that hermother never followed up on.  The State was all happy too look into it until my ex told them that the father was a cop, they then refused to look into the family at all and said that the information was too old (even though the younger daughter had just gotten stitches for that dog biting her) and then quickly got off the phone.  I don't have a personal vendetta or anything against Child Protective Services but they seriously dropped the ball when they were called on that family but there are other families that happens with as well.  Maybe Social Services was called on the father, I doubt we will ever know.

That's how CPS is in my area. They're slow to take kids from unfit parents.

I had a neighbor who had 10 children living in a 3 bedroom house. She was living off of welfare and only bought food that she and her on the lam boyfriend (15 years her junior) wanted. She was quick to beat her kids over the silliest things and she even had her boyfriend (father of #11 who was on the way) join too.

My sister and I befriended these kids so we heard all their horror stories. Their grandmother was constantly reporting them to CPS. Workers came to our school just to interview them almost weekly. Finally a fire mysteriously broke out at their house and they moved.

Later I met up with one of those girl's in high school. We were in the same grade and had a class together. She was a major druggie at this point (we were in the 9th grade!) and she told that it the fire was set intentionally to get the grandmother off the mothers back and to throw off CPS. It worked. How sad for those kids. They truly never had a chance.

These stories are horrifying and yet they're not unique. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the system. Things just aren't working.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 12:40:34 AM
So this is why McNeil admitted to kidnapping Shaniya. He admits guilt to the lesser crime and then only serves part of the sentence that he actually should be serving, just like he is used to doing. If they can't prove that he actually killed the girl, then they will just convict him on kidnapping.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 12:53:43 AM
well papers or no papers ......custody or no custody...if I thought for one second that my child was in danger at the hands of this woman.....trust me....I would have gone there and gotten my child back,,,,,one way or the other.....it might have not been legal...but I would have her.......promise you that,.......been there...done that.......

A-fricken-men HH.  You and me alike.


I hate to say this, but it wasn't the aunt's child..had she done that she would have been arrested and the child placed with the mother until a court hearing..months away.

Does no one understand that custody rights in this country are bizarre at best.  Especially for father's who are not assigned custody..as in this case..the law would say you have no rights until you go to court ...LE would not and could not do anything.

The father and the aunt were not in a position to steal her..that is how the court would have seen this.  And if they would have had legal joint custody..nothing again..she was with her bio Mom.  LE nor her Dad nor Aunt could have stopped this.

The only person who could have stopped this is her Mom.  It is her Mom that sold this child...no one else.

I am becoming engrossed in this placing balme.  I will say that to me only the bio Mom and her cohorts are to blame.  I will step away now because I know that view is not popular.

I think I would have risked that..there was no formal custody rulings in place. If the police had gone to that trailer they would have removed ALL of the children and again we wouldn't have this awful outcome. The living conditions in the trailer weren't fit for human habitation. One phone call to the police would have been enough to save her...I would have done whatever it took..sometimes you just have to stand up and be counted.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 12:57:23 AM
(http://image.blingee.com/images17/content/output/000/000/000/61b/525922953_176848.gif) (http://blingee.com/blingee/view/102450530-Shaniya)

Just thought I'd share this with everyone. Shaniya is at peace now. She's truly an angel.

Thank you  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 01:01:45 AM
************WARNING  - THIS ARTICLE IS VERY UPSETTING!!!!!!***********

Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home




Northern Rose, thanks for posting this so we can see it.  However, am thinking that rather than voice my opinion on it, am gonna just  :silent: .   Seems to me that many have chosen up sides, and don't want to hear negative in any form about the dad.  Even IF it's just a discussion on why what the dad and aunt are saying, are not matching up.  Am gonna sit this out and just watch.. and wait. 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 01:07:42 AM
After listening to the father, his sister, his children, friend, and ex father -in-law I know longer feel sorry for Shaniya dad.. The father apparently having 5 children who he does not seem to have the time or quality time for them.. His father-in-law, Brad friend who now has taken in Cheyenne were willing to take in Shaniya then let her go live with the druggie prostitute and her trash of friends but Brad disregard the safety and well being of his daughter and let Shaniya go... What was going on in Brad's life to make this uncareing , selfish decision? Why would he not let Shaniya go to his friend's home or his ex Father-In-Law home? Apparently  brad you weren''t even checking in on Shaniya because you stated you did'nt even know she wasn't attending school..I have to agree with the father-in-law and say to Brad .. Shaniya would be here today but she isn't because of your hasty, careless, selfish, unloving decision to let her go live with the trash...This is something you will have to live with every minute of everyday of you life..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Blumonkey on November 18, 2009, 01:32:59 AM
From what I just read I feel like the dad is just as much to blame. Of course, he didn't commit the crime but he knew she was being abused when she went there. Sounds to me like he just didn't feel like taking care of her anymore. He pawned his other daughter off on a neighbor. Who does something like that? I also said before that Murchison Road which is the road Sleepy Hollow park is off of is a terrible area. It's a very high crime area. People call it "The Murk" and it has always had a bad rep. If I was the kid's parent, I wouldn't let her anywhere near there. This dad knew he was putting her in a bad situation. In my mind, he is just as bad.


there is tons of blame that can go around in this case. if the people that were quoted in the recent article talking about shaniya's dad were so concerned then why didnt they call and make a report? if they were aware of what was going on then i believe they had a responsibility to report it.  it's possible they did, but why run to the papers now about it when they could have called in to the appropriate authorities when this was happening?
Perhaps they DID call and make a report. Since DFC states "no comment" when they are asked if a complaint was filed, it is difficult for the man on the street to confirm and verify. Because of my occupation, I am required to report suspected child abuse and have done so many times. On the other hand, DFC has no requirements to communicate the outcome to the person who filed the report. When I was a school nurse I filed two reports in one week involving 2 families. One was an infected burn on the top of a 7 year old's foot . With much encouragement the child told me they were cig. burns inflicted by Mom's boyfriend because the child had knocked over his beer bottle by accident. The other was a 8 year old girl who had tested positive for gonorrhea after a throat swab. She came to my office because she had been unable to swallow any food or drink for 48 hours. The infection was passed to her by an uncle. When I called my second report for the week, the intake person told me that she was required by law to tell me I could be prosecuted for filing a "frivolous report." That was irrelevant to me as I was only trying to obtain help for these children but I can see how others could be intimidated and back off. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I have seen abuse so severe that I have cried myself to sleep at night and these children all have a place in my heart. There are many good people who do report and try to make a child's world a little safer, a little better, but we are sometimes prevented from doing our best because of road blocks in the system. For the sake of the children,this needs to change! Sorry for the long post. Tonight my heart is breaking a little bit.
 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: pinkbanana on November 18, 2009, 01:39:32 AM
Good Nite All  ::MonkeyWink::

God BLESS Baby Shaniya  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyWaa::

God Bless!!!


pb


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 01:47:59 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 02:02:50 AM

Weird how when LE was searching, the day before finding Shaniya, they were looking near Raeford Rd, right?  The dude that was arrested yesterday, has lived in the area of Raeford, NC. 

Wonder if the town of Sanford is near the area of Raeford?  And if there is a Raeford Rd that runs between the towns? 


From Ancestry.com

Name: Samuel McNeill
Address: Pob 967
Raeford, NC





Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: melisb on November 18, 2009, 03:31:21 AM
Gotta drive down south in a min but I am wondering if when AD reported her missing at 5:30 pm and the dispatcher corrected her and said do you mean am that maybe Shaniya had really been gone since the night before.  McNeil could've been taking her from motel to motel and maybe carrying her because she was worn out and couldn't walk?  Maybe that is the trafficing part passing her to him to pros out?  Sick, sick, sick, evil POS! 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 18, 2009, 03:54:00 AM

Weird how when LE was searching, the day before finding Shaniya, they were looking near Raeford Rd, right?  The dude that was arrested yesterday, has lived in the area of Raeford, NC. 

Wonder if the town of Sanford is near the area of Raeford?  And if there is a Raeford Rd that runs between the towns? 


From Ancestry.com

Name: Samuel McNeill
Address: Pob 967
Raeford, NC






 ::MonkeyBike:: Raeford, NC is about 60 miles south of Sanford.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: HopeForAll on November 18, 2009, 05:31:05 AM
Raeford Rd. runs thru much of Fayetteville to Raeford. These 2 inhuman beings sit in their cells less then 2 miles from my home. Our local CBS affiliate just said that the 10am presser will be shown on their website. You would think any info about a crime this serious would be broadcast live. When I heard the first report of a missing child I thought maybe she had wandered away from her bus stop. Never did I think it would end up like this with an innocent child violated  and  ::MonkeyMad::murdered because of her own mother. :smt097 :smt093


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 18, 2009, 07:18:52 AM
************WARNING  - THIS ARTICLE IS VERY UPSETTING!!!!!!***********

Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home

Fayetteville, N.C.
Several people who were close to 5-year-Old Shaniya Davis and her father Brad Lockhart say they tried to intervene in the child’s life, because they felt the youngster was at risk.

A close friend of Brad’s, and his ex-father in-law both say they offered to take in Shaniya rather than let her live with her mother, because they say when the child was in the custody of her mother, bad things happened to her.


“My wife says she saw cigarette burns on Shaniya's arms,” said Lockhart’s friend Tim Allen who says he is very angry over what happened.

Byron Coleman, Brad Lockhart's ex-father in law,  said Shaniya “had burns on her legs, arms and things” after visits with her mother.


“She had a cigarette burn on the corner of her eye which she claimed her grandma did when she went over there,” added Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne Lockhart.

The three all claimed to NBC-17 that the 5-yr-old suffered physical abuse while in the custody of her mother.

“When you wanted sex that's where you went,” said Coleman. “You knew what the girl was doing. You knew what she associated with, so why place your daughter in that situation?”

Because of that, Brad Lockhart’s ex-father-in-law blames Lockhart for Shaniya’s death.

“To me Shaniya would be alive today if she wasn't placed in that situation,” claims Coleman.

Coleman says he offered to give Shaniya a home, but says Brad Lockhart declined his offer.

Tim Allen tells a similar story.

“He had an alternative, I gave him a way out,” but Allen said Lockhart would not let him take care of Shaniya.

“I'm fighting mad. All this could have been avoided,” said Allen.

Allen had already taken in Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne, because she said her dad wouldn't take care of her.

And Cheyenne says Brad Lockhart did not provide for Shaniya.

“He didn't take care of her, his girlfriends took care of her, she said. “He loved her, but she was raised by other people. “He hasn't been in her life.”

Meanwhile, the Cumberland County Department of Social Services says at this time, it can't comment on what it was doing with regard to Shaniya Davis because those comments might compromise the on-going criminal investigation.

VIDEO AT THIS LINK AS WELL

http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news%7CSports%7CLifestyles/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home

wow.

and the house of cards comes tumbling down.

thanks, NR.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 07:53:49 AM
Did any of Shaniya's family call for a "wellness check", the family members were very worried about the dire situation she was placed in just to give a second chance to this greedy mother.  Did they know about the wellness check? I didn't.

Did Shaniya's family try to locate the custodian or the real estate of the trailer park?




Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
I thought when I saw the footage of the father crying at the vigil that it seemed a little fake. Not that I don't think that he was sad but it just didn't seem like how a normal person in mourning would act. Also, tonight on Nancy Grace he didn't talk at all but came outside when his son was talking and was hugging and kissing his son a lot. I think it's because he knew people were talking about how he didn't treat the daughter well and he knew it was all going to come to light and was trying harder to make himself look like a good dad.

I got the feeling he was controlling his son and wanted to remind him not to talk about certain things. 

Earlier today when a reporter asked him about Cheyenne's statement that they knew Antionette
was still doing drugs, he said something like she's not allowed to talk about that.

I caught that too Magnolia.  We are seeing a totally dysfunctional extended family and Shaniya paid the ultimate price. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Cheyenne mentioned on NG show that "she wasn't suppose to have any kids" referring to A.D.
I haven't hear anyone commenting on her statement, I thought that was powerful..if Cheyenne knew or claims to have known
A.D. was supposed to have any kids around.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 08:15:30 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

The greedy mother was a good actress...common sense didn't rule with the father.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Razzy1 on November 18, 2009, 08:43:13 AM
************WARNING  - THIS ARTICLE IS VERY UPSETTING!!!!!!***********

Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home

Fayetteville, N.C.
Several people who were close to 5-year-Old Shaniya Davis and her father Brad Lockhart say they tried to intervene in the child’s life, because they felt the youngster was at risk.

A close friend of Brad’s, and his ex-father in-law both say they offered to take in Shaniya rather than let her live with her mother, because they say when the child was in the custody of her mother, bad things happened to her.


“My wife says she saw cigarette burns on Shaniya's arms,” said Lockhart’s friend Tim Allen who says he is very angry over what happened.

Byron Coleman, Brad Lockhart's ex-father in law,  said Shaniya “had burns on her legs, arms and things” after visits with her mother.


“She had a cigarette burn on the corner of her eye which she claimed her grandma did when she went over there,” added Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne Lockhart.

The three all claimed to NBC-17 that the 5-yr-old suffered physical abuse while in the custody of her mother.

“When you wanted sex that's where you went,” said Coleman. “You knew what the girl was doing. You knew what she associated with, so why place your daughter in that situation?”

Because of that, Brad Lockhart’s ex-father-in-law blames Lockhart for Shaniya’s death.

“To me Shaniya would be alive today if she wasn't placed in that situation,” claims Coleman.

Coleman says he offered to give Shaniya a home, but says Brad Lockhart declined his offer.

Tim Allen tells a similar story.

“He had an alternative, I gave him a way out,” but Allen said Lockhart would not let him take care of Shaniya.

“I'm fighting mad. All this could have been avoided,” said Allen.

Allen had already taken in Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne, because she said her dad wouldn't take care of her.

And Cheyenne says Brad Lockhart did not provide for Shaniya.

“He didn't take care of her, his girlfriends took care of her, she said. “He loved her, but she was raised by other people. “He hasn't been in her life.”

Meanwhile, the Cumberland County Department of Social Services says at this time, it can't comment on what it was doing with regard to Shaniya Davis because those comments might compromise the on-going criminal investigation.

VIDEO AT THIS LINK AS WELL

http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news%7CSports%7CLifestyles/story/44620/some-claim-shaniya-davis-was-at-risk-and-needed-a-better-home

Good Morning Monkeys, decided to login to address this. I don't believe a word of it. Yet

1. What real friend goes to a reporter and talks this crap? Not a real friend, imo

2? If there was cig burns her Aunt Carey when giving her a bath would have seen it, it would have given her reason to stop Shaniya from going to her birth mom's house.  or her teacher would certainly would have noticed it.

3. IMO Cheyenne has issues with Brad, she's a teen maybe he did throw her out, who knows, we don't know that facts, they can say anything to a reporter, just like Cheyenne said to Nancy, it was her opinion, she had no 1st hand proof. She just wanted to get on Nancy Grace show. She didn't impress me. How did these people see the burns but no one else did?

I believe since Aunt Carey had Shaniya alot she would have noticed any abuse and would have not only reported it but probably went over and beat the egg donors a$$.IMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: texasmom on November 18, 2009, 08:53:01 AM
Good morning Monkeys! 

Last night my last thoughts before I went to sleep were Thank God, Shaniya was found.  Her murderer disposed of her like trash, but she's not there anymore.  She will have a proper burial.  Her family that loved her won't have to wonder where she is, or if she is still suffering.  In all of this horror, that is a blessing.

Please forgive if this has already been posted.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/


Fayetteville police to add new charges in girl's death
 

Posted: Today at 7:35 a.m.
Updated: 19 minutes ago

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Investigators piecing together why and where a 5-year-old Fayetteville girl was killed plan to add new charges on top of one for selling the girl for sexual slavery.

Police plan to hold a news conference at 10 a.m. Wednesday to discuss the case and said new charges are pending in the death of Shaniya Davis.

WRAL.com will carry the news conference LIVE.

Authorities are trying to decide where the girl was killed and if the case will be prosecuted in Cumberland or neighboring Lee County.

Shaniya was reported missing from her home, at 1116-A Sleepy Hollow Drive, by her mother last Tuesday morning. Volunteer searchers found her body Monday afternoon in the woods off N.C. Highway 87 near the Lee-Harnett county line.

On Tuesday, the State Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that the body was Shaniya's. No cause of death has been released.

Two people have been arrested in her disappearance – charges against a third person were dropped – but no one has been charged with killing her.

Police said one issue holding up any charges is the question of jurisdiction in the murder case. Prosecutors must prove where a slaying occurred.

Lee County authorities have referred all questions to Fayetteville police.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 08:54:02 AM
This poor child didn't have a snowball's chance in hell.  The father absolutely disgusts me.  Five children with three different women and not one of them living with him.  What a loser.  What a total freaking loser.  And I can tell you one thing for certain, there is no way on God's green earth I'd leave my child living at some filthy resident where drugs and prostitution are going on.  The father CLEARLY didn't want to raise Shaniya.  I don't want to hear any more crying and carryin' on. 

Shaniya paid the ultimate price for being born to two people who gave two craps about her.  I feel awful for her aunt.  Just awful.  But I don't wanna hear anymore bs from the dad because that's what it is  bs.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sugarBabies on November 18, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
Gypsy DD.... that is basically what I was trying to say. 

I think everyone is just angry about this whole situation. 

It is a HUGE cry to have custody type issues and other protective measures in place to protect the ones that can not protect themselves.




Jennifer34 and Gypsy DD, I am very angry about this case also but I know you both are exactly right. Have gone through an almost identical custody dispute in my own family.  If you do not have a court order it does no good to call LE. If you remove a child from a birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping.

I'd offer the following revision to the statement in red:  "If you remove a child from the CUSTODIAL birth mother without a court order, you will be the one going to jail for kidnapping."  This is an important distinction, as the issue of whether a parent can kidnap his or her own child boils down to the issue of whether the parent is entitled to custody, and whether removing the child is an attempt to deprive that parent of his or her custodial rights, not whether the mother is the birth mother or not.  For example, if the father has sole custody with the birth mother retaining visitation, the birth mother can kidnap the child by refusing to return the child to the father, and it would be the birth mother whose the one going to jail.
I'm not trying to argue Jess but it didn't happen that way with my son and grandson.  The mom didn't even have visitation and when she took my grandson even though my son had custody (she abandoned them) the LE, DA, Judge, DHR no one, not any one would lift a finger to help my son get his child back.  They finaly set a court date which she showed up for and after failing a drug test, on top of being in contempt, no job, no place to live, she walked out of there with my grandson.  And we've been fighting ever since.  The things that have taken place in this case I would never believe if I wasn't there to hear and see  for myself. 

I know that what you said is the way it is supposed to work but the reality is especially in the south, the courts, LE, and child services overwhelmingly favor the natural mother no matter how big a POS she is.  I'm glad you've been coming on I'd really like to get your oppinion of just what the Alabama Parent Child Relationship Act means. I've spoken with others about it and they have backed up what I thought even though the Judge refuses to enforce it.  She has moved several times in the past 8 months and one of those was an eviction, we've never received a notice of any kind.  My thinking is sooner or later that Judge will have to follow the law if he doesn't......


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 18, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
************WARNING  - THIS ARTICLE IS VERY UPSETTING!!!!!!***********

Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home




Northern Rose, thanks for posting this so we can see it.  However, am thinking that rather than voice my opinion on it, am gonna just  :silent: .   Seems to me that many have chosen up sides, and don't want to hear negative in any form about the dad.  Even IF it's just a discussion on why what the dad and aunt are saying, are not matching up.  Am gonna sit this out and just watch.. and wait. 


I'll join you, and see what happens.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gypsy DD on November 18, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
Question..The daughter now says that AD wasn't supposed to have any kids.  I thought her 7 year old son was taken away prior to her arrest..or was it due to the arrest ?  If it was prior to the arrest, then wouldn't DSS have taken any other bio children of hers..checked on their well being, notified whomever they were with?  I am a little confused on that issue..anyone?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 09:44:40 AM
Question..The daughter now says that AD wasn't supposed to have any kids.  I thought her 7 year old son was taken away prior to her arrest..or was it due to the arrest ?  If it was prior to the arrest, then wouldn't DSS have taken any other bio children of hers..checked on their well being, notified whomever they were with?  I am a little confused on that issue..anyone?


The 7yr old was taken after Shaniya went missing but I think before Antoinette was actually arrested.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 18, 2009, 09:51:48 AM
Can someone tell me where I can read the 911 call instead of listen. I saw it last night but I can't find it now. Ty


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 18, 2009, 09:53:17 AM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 09:59:28 AM
Does anyone have a link for the press conference?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 18, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
does anyone know where I can watch the pd briefing? I believe it should be starting. I'm in Az and I think the time difference is 2 hrs.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:00:24 AM
wral says they will carry it live, but I don't see a link yet

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 18, 2009, 10:01:10 AM
wral says they will carry it live, but I don't see a link yet

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

TYVM!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:01:29 AM
wral says they will carry it live, but I don't see a link yet

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

Press Conf

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6445568/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: N2WISHN on November 18, 2009, 10:02:31 AM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.



The father came out shortly after his son made this statement.....maybe the son was giving too much info..........

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html


I'm getting the impression that the father may have just decided to let that filthy mother take care of Shaniya and now is trying to evade responsibility for doing that....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Justagirl on November 18, 2009, 10:04:07 AM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.

I never did think it was a hand off. I am still wondering about the 60 yr old man the LE put the description out on. I wonder if he was seen with Shaniya at ANOTHER time. Ok, I just made myself mad again.  ::MonkeyMad::

Since there's been no other mention of this "60 year old man in the blue Toyota," my guess is he doesn't exist. He was nothing more than a potential defense for MM- and LE knows this. He may have admitted to dropping Shaniya off with this invisible man-per moms orders- hence the kidnapping charge. As a security measure, LE put out the BOLO, but knew they had the guilty man all along. That would also explain why it has taken so long to add more charges against him. I'm sure MM isn't volunteering info. and they have to go by the book. This is the only thing that makes a lick of sense to me re: no other mention of this 60 yr. old man.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 10:05:05 AM
wral says they will carry it live, but I don't see a link yet

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

Press Conf

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6445568/

Thank you. HLN keeps giving flashes of it. I hate it when the pressers are mostly about patting themselves on the back!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gypsy DD on November 18, 2009, 10:05:55 AM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.

I decided to go back to sitting on the fence, too.

Is there a live link for the presser?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gypsy DD on November 18, 2009, 10:06:44 AM
OOPS..I see the link above me now..TY


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
I missed the very beginning of the PC.  If anyone saw it, did they mention additional charges for anyone or are they still waiting on the jurisdiction issue?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:07:30 AM
I missed the very beginning of the PC.  If anyone saw it, did they mention additional charges for anyone or are they still waiting on the jurisdiction issue?

PC is over, it was short and the part I saw was not very informative.  I missed the beginning though.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 18, 2009, 10:11:09 AM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.



The father came out shortly after his son made this statement.....maybe the son was giving too much info..........

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html


I'm getting the impression that the father may have just decided to let that filthy mother take care of Shaniya and now is trying to evade responsibility for doing that....

Thanks N2W


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:11:23 AM
I thought that it was weird when Brad kept hugging on his son as well during the NG show...I thought, what the heck? and at the vigil when he was crying and carrying on...I know that he is upset..but I kept thinking...if I had to watch much more of him that I would switch the channel...he was making me feel like he was acting or something in a drama class...sorry if that offends but I remember saying something to hubs at the time...
I thought that what I had read is that Brad has 5 OTHER children with 3 different women, not including Shaniya which would make it 6...Alls I have to say about that is that if we were talking about a woman here, there would be plenty of things said about her having all these kids with different men, but not much has been said about the dad and his procreating  and not taking care of his own children....double standards? anyways...the dad probably really loved her, but I do believe the stuff that is coming out about him from friends and relatives...why would they lie about it? and the fact that they are already raising a few of his kids tells me that they are decent people who would have no reason to lie...
would be interesting to see where his other kids are and who is raising them...he and his first wife reportedly had 3 kids together...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: SunnyinTX on November 18, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
I missed the very beginning of the PC.  If anyone saw it, did they mention additional charges for anyone or are they still waiting on the jurisdiction issue?

I missed all; of it..it must have been VERY short!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
wral says they will carry it live, but I don't see a link yet

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

Press Conf

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6445568/

Fanny, your new avi is absolutely devine!!

Thank you. HLN keeps giving flashes of it. I hate it when the pressers are mostly about patting themselves on the back!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 10:17:30 AM
I missed the very beginning of the PC.  If anyone saw it, did they mention additional charges for anyone or are they still waiting on the jurisdiction issue?

PC is over, it was short and the part I saw was not very informative.  I missed the beginning though.


I saw the whole thing and it was a whole lot of nothing.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 10:17:59 AM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.



The father came out shortly after his son made this statement.....maybe the son was giving too much info..........

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html


I'm getting the impression that the father may have just decided to let that filthy mother take care of Shaniya and now is trying to evade responsibility for doing that....

Thanks N2W

Bradley came out of the house after his son mentioned that his mother died when he was ten years old, that is why Brad came
out to support his son and hug him, the son lost his mother and aunt to the killers, it was the right thing for his father to come out and hug him.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Mary on November 18, 2009, 10:18:19 AM
Well so much for daddy if all this is true. When I saw him come out to his son on
NG my thought was to shut him up in case he said something that he wasn't
suppose to.  I keep hearing that dad just had a one nite stand with this POS,
she was a hooker, how the hell would she know who the daddy was.
LE said that they got a tip about where this poor baby's body was. Well Coe went
to see her in jail. I wonder if they talked about it on their recorded conversation.
Maybe they didn't know it was recorded. HLN didn't have much of a update at all.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 10:19:31 AM
wral says they will carry it live, but I don't see a link yet

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

Press Conf

http://www.wral.com/news/video/6445568/

Fanny, your new avi is absolutely devine!!

Thank you. HLN keeps giving flashes of it. I hate it when the pressers are mostly about patting themselves on the back!!




[/quote]

Thanks MAGNOLIA. Brandi surprised me with it this morning.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

No, I didn't hear any of the presser except the back patting part.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:23:57 AM
Well so much for daddy if all this is true. When I saw him come out to his son on
NG my thought was to shut him up in case he said something that he wasn't
suppose to.  I keep hearing that dad just had a one nite stand with this POS,
she was a hooker, how the hell would she know who the daddy was.
LE said that they got a tip about where this poor baby's body was. Well Coe went
to see her in jail. I wonder if they talked about it on their recorded conversation.
Maybe they didn't know it was recorded. HLN didn't have much of a update at all.

I thought about that too...it was a 1 night stand from what the dad said...

would be interesting to see what Coe and AD had to say..wonder if the police arranged for him to go see her and get info...afterall, she set him up as the person who had taken Shaniya in the first place, he must be bitter about that I would think...

about MM, just wondering why he turned himself in rather than running if her murdered her...but if he didn't, why isn't he talking and saying who he gave Shaniya to? he is the last one to have been seen with her and he admitted to kidnapping her so that speaks volumes doesn't it...still, something is missing for me on this....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:26:01 AM


http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7125084

No new charges in Shaniya Davis case
Updated at 10:16 AM today


FAYETTEVILLE, NC (WTVD) -- Fayetteville police said Wednesday that they were working to determine which county has jurisdiction in the death of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis before filing any new charges.

The girl's body was discovered Monday in a wooded area near Sanford.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Babybear on November 18, 2009, 10:26:30 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Justagirl on November 18, 2009, 10:33:26 AM
Good Evening Monkey Friends ::MonkeyCool::
I think someone else was at the Comfort Inn when  MM took Shaniya there, I guess I just have my doubts that this scum would spend the money for a room, when the non caring egg donor could have easily let him do what he wanted right there in the mobile home. Idk I still have question that someone else was at the Comfort Inn.

That's crossed my mind too, but wouldn't LE/the media be focusing more energy into whoever he brought her to? I don't know, I just think if there was a child killer on the loose- there would be a lot more attention on the perpetrator. I truly believe if MM didn't kill Shaniya, he would be screaming his innocence with more descriptive details- and LE would make sure parents/the public were aware.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7125084

No new charges in Shaniya Davis case
Updated at 10:16 AM today


FAYETTEVILLE, NC (WTVD) -- Fayetteville police said Wednesday that they were working to determine which county has jurisdiction in the death of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis before filing any new charges.

The girl's body was discovered Monday in a wooded area near Sanford.

thanks Klaas...can always depend on you to get us the latest and greatest! thanks for all that you and the  mods do .......


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 10:36:09 AM
The BOLO stated that LE was looking for a man "about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota". 

Of the three McNeill men that have recently been arrested on various charges, one owns a blue Toyota. 

Although I don't think the McNeill who owns the blue Toyota is near that age, the one who *could have been* driving it is. 

IMO, the man is in custody, and that *could be* why there has been no further mention from LE of the BOLO, the man, or the Toyota.   

Just my opinion tho.  Guess we'll see soon enough. 
 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:38:43 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.

I condemn MM and AD too, but they are all guilty of failing her in my opinion..

did you watch the video that Klaas provided with these others speaking? you might change your mind..why would they lie, especially when they are helping to raise his other children? jmo....



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Can someone tell me where I can read the 911 call instead of listen. I saw it last night but I can't find it now. Ty


Posted this in the last thread...



Found at WS:

Transcribed 911 Call:

Dispatcher: 911, what is your emergency?
AD: Yes, ma'am. My name is Antionette Davis at 11[inaudible] Sleepy Hollow.
Dispatcher: Ma'am?
AD: My name is Antionette Davis at 1116a Sleepy Hollow.
Dispatcher:I said I'm not getting your address clearly. Can you slow down a little bit, and tell me again?
AD: Yes. 1116a Sleepy Hollow.
Dispatcher:1115a?
AD: 16
Dispatcher: One six?
AD: Yes, ma'am.
Dispatcher: Okay, ma'am, how can I help you?
AD: (Short pause) I woke up this morning and my daughter was not in this house. I don't know if she walked out or...I don't know what's goin on, but she's not here. .
Dispatcher: How old is your daughter?
AD: She's 5.
Dispatcher: 5?
AD: Yes, ma'am.
Dispatcher: Okay. What time did you wake up? When did you last see her?
AD: I saw her, uh, at 5:30 last night.
Dispatcher: 5:30 last night? Is that when you put her to bed?
AD: Yes, ma'am. NO, when she went back to bed.
Dispatcher: Okay. That was 5 this morning, is that what your telling me?
AD: Yes, ma'am.
Dispatcher: Okay. Um, were there any doors open or anything like that?
AD: She know how to unlock the front door.
Dispatcher: Okay. What is her name?
AD: Shaniya Davis.
Dispatcher: Spell that name for me.
AD: S-h-a-n-i-y-a.
Dispatcher: And she's White, Black or Hispanic.
AD: She's mixed.
Dispatcher: Okay.
AD: She's biracial.
Dispatcher: What was she wearing?
AD: She's wearing a blue, just a big old [inaudible], blue shirt with designs on it, but her hair's out.
Dispatcher: Okay. Did she have on, um, any pants?
AD: She didn't take no shoes, no pants, no nothing. She...
Dispatcher: Did she have on underwear?
AD: Yes, Ma'am.
Dispatcher: Okay. Do you know what color?
AD: They're white, and they got pink, I guess. I can't...I can't really remember. But they like white with pink designs on them.
Dispatcher: Okay. Okay. And you said none of the doors were open?
AD: No, ma'a. They were locked, but she knows how to unlock the front door.
Dispatcher: Was it closed this morning?
AD: Yes, ma'am
Dispatcher: And you said it was about 5:30?
AD: Yes, ma'am.
Dispatcher: Okay. Have you checked the neighborhood?
AD: I checked everywhere. I haven't checked the back end of the neighborhood, yet, but I checked the front end. I'm just, I don't know what else to do. I don't know what else to do, I'm so...I'm, I don't know what else to do.
Dispatcher: Are there any more juveniles inside the home?
AD: It's my son, but he's here.
Dispatcher: Okay. And your door was not unlocked, that what you're telling me?
AD: No, it was not unlocked, but I'm telling you, she knows how to unlock it. I was hoping that she didn't unlock it and walked out.
Dispatcher: Okay. What's the number you're calling me from, ma'am?
[redacted]
Dispatcher: Okay. We already got your call in. We're going to get someone out. You said her hair was out?
AD: Yes. It's like a bushy afro.
Dispatcher: How much does she weigh? Do you know?
AD: I don't know, ma'am. I don't remember.
Dispatcher: Okay. Alright, ma'am, just try to um, try to check your home again, and check around the neighborhood again, and if anything changes, call us back. But we already got the call in, and we're going to get someone out as soon as we can, okay?
AD: Alright.
Dispatcher: Alright ma'am. Thank you.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/6439590/



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 10:46:37 AM
I thought that it was weird when Brad kept hugging on his son as well during the NG show...I thought, what the heck? and at the vigil when he was crying and carrying on...I know that he is upset..but I kept thinking...if I had to watch much more of him that I would switch the channel...he was making me feel like he was acting or something in a drama class...sorry if that offends but I remember saying something to hubs at the time...
I thought that what I had read is that Brad has 5 OTHER children with 3 different women, not including Shaniya which would make it 6...Alls I have to say about that is that if we were talking about a woman here, there would be plenty of things said about her having all these kids with different men, but not much has been said about the dad and his procreating  and not taking care of his own children....double standards? anyways...the dad probably really loved her, but I do believe the stuff that is coming out about him from friends and relatives...why would they lie about it? and the fact that they are already raising a few of his kids tells me that they are decent people who would have no reason to lie...
would be interesting to see where his other kids are and who is raising them...he and his first wife reportedly had 3 kids together...


I agree with you, I think he was trying to respond in a way that showed he actually cared. I think he is sad but no more than that, he isn't even a good actor. I'm not sitting on the fence, I am 100% for Shaniya, whoever let her down isn't going to get a pass from me because they demonstrate some remorse.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 10:52:50 AM
The BOLO stated that LE was looking for a man "about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota". 

Of the three McNeill men that have recently been arrested on various charges, one owns a blue Toyota. 

Although I don't think the McNeill who owns the blue Toyota is near that age, the one who *could have been* driving it is. 

IMO, the man is in custody, and that *could be* why there has been no further mention from LE of the BOLO, the man, or the Toyota.   

Just my opinion tho.  Guess we'll see soon enough. 
 


Date Arrested             Name

November 17, 2009    Mcneill, Samuel
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Dustrus Willis
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Mario Andrette


Just go to this link and type in the last name McNeill :

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx




Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 10:57:21 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.

I condemn MM and AD too, but they are all guilty of failing her in my opinion..

did you watch the video that Klaas provided with these others speaking? you might change your mind..why would they lie, especially when they are helping to raise his other children? jmo....



It looks like he is an absentee father to me, his children are raised by others I'm sure he had no idea or interest in what was happening to her because he just wasn't there to care..The aunt should have tried harder but the dad quite obviously isn't a loving caring parent except in a very disinterested way. Although he needed to work was it necessary to farm his kids out, I'm sure he could have worked locally, he just seems neglectful to me. He didn't put his kids first..JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 18, 2009, 11:08:55 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys!!  I've got whiplash from what I'm reading!  ::MonkeyTongue::

I've got to get caught up.......... you all have been busy and we've gone from one McNeil arrested, to three!   ::MonkeyEek:: I'll head back but just wanted to say good morning! See you in a little while!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Babybear on November 18, 2009, 11:11:58 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.

I condemn MM and AD too, but they are all guilty of failing her in my opinion..

did you watch the video that Klaas provided with these others speaking? you might change your mind..why would they lie, especially when they are helping to raise his other children? jmo....



I can't answer to that.  People have different reasons for lying.  why would they all gang up on the father and aunt?  IMO there is much more than appears on the surface.  Probably old resentments.  Maybe they were mad because they wanted to raise Shaniya. Maybe they resent something about the first wife's death.  Most of the time, things are not what they appear to be at first glance.  Sometimes they are. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 11:20:24 AM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.

BABYBEAR  I agree, bad judgement for sure and his punishment will be regret and guilt for the rest of his life.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 18, 2009, 11:31:27 AM
The BOLO stated that LE was looking for a man "about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota". 

Of the three McNeill men that have recently been arrested on various charges, one owns a blue Toyota. 

Although I don't think the McNeill who owns the blue Toyota is near that age, the one who *could have been* driving it is. 

IMO, the man is in custody, and that *could be* why there has been no further mention from LE of the BOLO, the man, or the Toyota.   

Just my opinion tho.  Guess we'll see soon enough. 
 


Date Arrested             Name

November 17, 2009    Mcneill, Samuel
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Dustrus Willis
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Mario Andrette


Just go to this link and type in the last name McNeill :

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx




Thanks Wyks/

What is BOLO?

Could it be that MM's family is involved in some capacity.  Are the other two McNeill's who were arrested related to MM?

Janet

++++

Police say they're looking for body of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis
THE FAYETTEVILLE *******, N.C. | Mon, Nov 16, 11:57 AM


At a press briefing at 10:30 a.m., Chance said people have been turning out in droves to offer help but no more volunteer searchers are currently needed. She said civilians who want to help can call the police at 433-1820 to volunteer.

Meantime, the State Highway Patrol issued a 'be on the lookout for' advisory this morning, saying that they're looking for a man who had been spotted with Davis. The man is believed to be about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota, according to an official with the Highway patrol. He may be in the vicinity of Raeford Road or Cliffdale Road.

Chance said police are following up any and all tips but are still concentrating their search for Shaniya on Walker Road.

At a press conference at the search site at 9 a.m. today, Chance said police had received some tips.

She said Mario Andrette McNeill, who has admitted to kidnapping Shaniya and is in custody, has been "extremely uncooperative" but has given some information to police.

Chance said McNeill is known to frequent Sanford. He was arrested Thursday after being identified as being with Shaniya Tuesday morning at the Comfort Suites hotel in Sanford. The two were seen on a surveillance tape at 6:11 a.m. Chance said police know McNeill left the motel with Shaniya at about 7:30 a.m. but they don't know what condition Shaniya was in at that point

http://dailyme.com/story/2009111600004240/police-body-5-year-old-shaniya-davis.html



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 18, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Did Shaniyia's father, auntie, cousins or siblings have any type of contact in the five weeks period that the little girl was in her Mother's custody?  A phone call?

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
IMO dad and aunt failed Shaniya by not checking on her. If the burns were really there I think it's criminal for them to agree to let her go there at all, but we don't know that for sure. All of them share in the guilt but I don't believe that he would knowingly send her there if he thought she would be in danger. It sounded like Shaniya did visit the mom on a semi regular basis. It wasn't until she had her own place (not really exactly as it turns out) and had held a job which would on the outside indicate she was straight from drugs, that he allowed her to stay longer. I hate what happened to her and I'm fairly certain that he will feel more remorse for the rest of his life for his lack of involvement and responsibility than any one of the rest of them. Again JMO. Each of them share to some degree in the tragedy.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 18, 2009, 11:51:52 AM
Goodmorning everyone from Az.

I just finished watching the video about what the fathers friend, daughter and ex-father in law had to say. I'm not sure right now if I believe everything that was said and I'm trying to not place too much judgement right now about the Dad but I am starting to feel anger towards him. Yesterday when watching (or could have read a statement) another interview, what stuck in my head was that the Dad nor the Aunt knew Shaniya was not attending school. That tells me they were not calling and speaking with Shaniya. Gosh, even when my kids have sleep overs with friends, I call just to say good night. With that said, my opinion is that the Aunt was more of a (day to day) parent than the Dad. There is no question in my mind that he loved her and provided well for her but I just think that he has been the type of parent that is not that "hands on". I could write more that's on my mind right now but think I better wait until more info comes out. And I'm sure it will.

One more thing that I have wondered about is AD's sister that was living in the trailer. Does anyone have any info on her? I'm not even sure I know what her name is.


















 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 18, 2009, 11:52:37 AM
Police: No new charges now in death of NC girl

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Investigators probing the kidnapping and death of a 5-year-old North Carolina girl say they can't file more charges until they decide where the crimes occurred.

Fayetteville police had said they planned to file more charges in the death of Shaniya (shuh-NY-uh) Davis, whose body was found Monday beside a rural highway in Lee County. But Police Chief Tom Bergamine said Wednesday more charges won't come until jurisdiction is determined.

Authorities are trying to decide where the girl was killed and if the case will be prosecuted in Lee County or neighboring Cumberland County, where she lived.

Her mother, Antoinette Davis, is charged with human trafficking and child abuse involving prostitution.

Mario McNeill is accused of kidnapping after surveillance footage from a Lee County hotel showed him carrying the girl.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/police-no-new-charges-201647.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Mary on November 18, 2009, 11:57:48 AM
Question??? This place was her sisters, she rented it. Where is she in all this, what has
she got to say in all this? When the landlady ask her about who was living there, she
said that the pos was her babysitter. Also the McNeill was her old boyfriend. Has anyone
seen or heard from her?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 18, 2009, 11:58:56 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml
November 18, 2009 11:35 AM
Shaniya Davis' Little Body Found Near Deer Carcasses in Trash
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) The story of Shaniya Davis gets more gruesome as it unravels
A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

But Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Cainine Training Inc. said his team returned after getting information that the body of Shaniya Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon underneath kudzu plants along a rural highway southeast of Sanford, N.C., about 40 miles south west of Raleigh.

Riccio says it was terrible seeing Shaniya's body, but he's glad her ordeal is over. A massive search for Shaniya began Tuesday Nov. 3 when her mother, Antoinette Davis, reported her missing from their Fayetteville, N.C., home.

Antoinette Davis has been charged with human trafficking and felony child abuse, accused of selling her daughter into sexual slavery. Police also charged Mario McNeill with kidnapping after he was captured on a hotel's surveillance video with Shaniya.

So far, no one has been charged with the girl's murder.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: MuffyBee on November 18, 2009, 12:05:44 PM
Tamikosmom (Janet) ~ BOLO is an acronym for Be On (the) Look Out


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml
November 18, 2009 11:35 AM
Shaniya Davis' Little Body Found Near Deer Carcasses in Trash
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) The story of Shaniya Davis gets more gruesome as it unravels
A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

But Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Cainine Training Inc. said his team returned after getting information that the body of Shaniya Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon underneath kudzu plants along a rural highway southeast of Sanford, N.C., about 40 miles south west of Raleigh.

Riccio says it was terrible seeing Shaniya's body, but he's glad her ordeal is over. A massive search for Shaniya began Tuesday Nov. 3 when her mother, Antoinette Davis, reported her missing from their Fayetteville, N.C., home.

Antoinette Davis has been charged with human trafficking and felony child abuse, accused of selling her daughter into sexual slavery. Police also charged Mario McNeill with kidnapping after he was captured on a hotel's surveillance video with Shaniya.

So far, no one has been charged with the girl's murder.

 Wonder if placing her near the rotting deer was coincidence or if MM was told that were some there?
What's the hold up on charging somebody with the homicide?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Razzy1 on November 18, 2009, 12:07:41 PM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.

I condemn MM and AD too, but they are all guilty of failing her in my opinion..

did you watch the video that Klaas provided with these others speaking? you might change your mind..why would they lie, especially when they are helping to raise his other children? jmo....



It looks like he is an absentee father to me, his children are raised by others I'm sure he had no idea or interest in what was happening to her because he just wasn't there to care..The aunt should have tried harder but the dad quite obviously isn't a loving caring parent except in a very disinterested way. Although he needed to work was it necessary to farm his kids out, I'm sure he could have worked locally, he just seems neglectful to me. He didn't put his kids first..JMO

Many fathers and mothers have to be away from home alot for work, when the job requires travel( such as being in the military, overseas). I'd say mostly fathers. Does not make them neglectful. Seems he provided quite well, loved his child alot very much, had his sister keeping Shaniya when he was gone. No one could have ever imagined what this wicked evil sadistic animal was capable of doing to her daughter. I just don't believe it would enter their minds that she would sell Shaniya or hurt her. Did she ever give them reason to think she would hurt Shaniya? If she did they would not have sent her back, period. That's why I don't believe the other story. If it comes out that there was evidence that they had knowledge of prior abuse by devilmama I'll be the 1st to give them a verbal backlash, and it won't be pretty. But until then I can't lay blame on Shaniya's daddy.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gizzie on November 18, 2009, 12:10:08 PM
Question. Since AD has a bail, and she hasn't been charged with the murder, what could LE do to prevent her from being bonded out, and running? Anything?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Justagirl on November 18, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml
November 18, 2009 11:35 AM
Shaniya Davis' Little Body Found Near Deer Carcasses in Trash
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) The story of Shaniya Davis gets more gruesome as it unravels
A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

But Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Cainine Training Inc. said his team returned after getting information that the body of Shaniya Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon underneath kudzu plants along a rural highway southeast of Sanford, N.C., about 40 miles south west of Raleigh.

Riccio says it was terrible seeing Shaniya's body, but he's glad her ordeal is over. A massive search for Shaniya began Tuesday Nov. 3 when her mother, Antoinette Davis, reported her missing from their Fayetteville, N.C., home.

Antoinette Davis has been charged with human trafficking and felony child abuse, accused of selling her daughter into sexual slavery. Police also charged Mario McNeill with kidnapping after he was captured on a hotel's surveillance video with Shaniya.

So far, no one has been charged with the girl's murder.

 Wonder if placing her near the rotting deer was coincidence or if MM was told that were some there?
What's the hold up on charging somebody with the homicide?


Jurisdiction. They are trying to figure out which county Shaniya was murdered in. :(


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 18, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
IMO dad and aunt failed Shaniya by not checking on her. If the burns were really there I think it's criminal for them to agree to let her go there at all, but we don't know that for sure. All of them share in the guilt but I don't believe that he would knowingly send her there if he thought she would be in danger. It sounded like Shaniya did visit the mom on a semi regular basis. It wasn't until she had her own place (not really exactly as it turns out) and had held a job which would on the outside indicate she was straight from drugs, that he allowed her to stay longer. I hate what happened to her and I'm fairly certain that he will feel more remorse for the rest of his life for his lack of involvement and responsibility than any one of the rest of them. Again JMO. Each of them share to some degree in the tragedy.

mizjay ... I don't get it.

When my youngest son was five years old ... hubby and I left him with paternal grandparents for five days while we attended a funeral back east.  NOTHING could keep me from calling him each day.  I had no concern regarding his well being.  I knew that he was in good hands and was in his glory being spoiled rotten by his loving Grandma and Grandpa.  After excitedly sharing his day's activities ... it was him who would bring the contact to an end with "Moooom ... I gotta go".  I did not mind.  I was assured that all was right with his world.

Something encompassing the family dynamic in the Shanyia case gives me a hinky feeling.

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 18, 2009, 12:12:44 PM
Tamikosmom (Janet) ~ BOLO is an acronym for Be On (the) Look Out

Thank you MuffyBee.

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 12:16:19 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml
November 18, 2009 11:35 AM
Shaniya Davis' Little Body Found Near Deer Carcasses in Trash
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) The story of Shaniya Davis gets more gruesome as it unravels
A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

But Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Cainine Training Inc. said his team returned after getting information that the body of Shaniya Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon underneath kudzu plants along a rural highway southeast of Sanford, N.C., about 40 miles south west of Raleigh.

Riccio says it was terrible seeing Shaniya's body, but he's glad her ordeal is over. A massive search for Shaniya began Tuesday Nov. 3 when her mother, Antoinette Davis, reported her missing from their Fayetteville, N.C., home.

Antoinette Davis has been charged with human trafficking and felony child abuse, accused of selling her daughter into sexual slavery. Police also charged Mario McNeill with kidnapping after he was captured on a hotel's surveillance video with Shaniya.

So far, no one has been charged with the girl's murder.

 Wonder if placing her near the rotting deer was coincidence or if MM was told that were some there?
What's the hold up on charging somebody with the homicide?


Jurisdiction. They are trying to figure out which county Shaniya was murdered in. :(

For goodness sakes. Slap them with State charges and they won't have to worry about jurisdiction. Actually, I think human trafficking should be a Federal charge. JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 12:20:42 PM
So this is why McNeil admitted to kidnapping Shaniya. He admits guilt to the lesser crime and then only serves part of the sentence that he actually should be serving, just like he is used to doing. If they can't prove that he actually killed the girl, then they will just convict him on kidnapping.
Hi Rach, I have said several times that I don't think there was a hand off, the one in jail is the one. He admitted to the kidnapping to try to dodge the rape murder of a child. The latter charge results in certain death, by the state or fellow inmates, one way or another, he will die for it, the kidnapping is a lesser charge and I think he was going to blame the mother fully.. a "no, she gave me the kid to take to so and so, said they was gonna watch her" something like that. that explains the smirk on his nasty face. it was his thoughts of  "I am smarter then you, you can't prove anything more then I carried her in and out of there, but I know what I did" . He only admitted to that to get the results I have been seeing, "he wouldn't have admitted to kidnapping if he killed her". Yes he would, it is a lesser charge and one that any good defense attorney could get him out of.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 12:22:59 PM
No matter if the father was around, by all appearances, Shaniya was happy and well taken care of by her Aunt.  Why on earth did they allowed her to live with her mother even for a short time is beyond my comprehension. 

From all appearances in the lovely photos which we have seen of Shaniya, apparently taken when she was in her father's custody, she was well taken care of, happy and seemed well-adjusted.  I saw no evidence of cigarette burns even though I have magnified the photos.  If this were truly the case, I think it would be the responsibility of whoever saw these burns to call police or at the least report it to the aunt or father.  I take everything these people say with a grain of salt.  If Cheyenne thought AD was so bad, why would she describe her as so sweet and so sweet-talking?  It goes without saying as one of them did that it would not have happened had Shaniya not been with her mother.  Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No, if I have to choose, which I don't of course, not being personally involved in this, I would take the side of the father and aunt who obviously took great care of Shaniya.  As to other children of whom they claim he doesn't take care, they appear to me to be adults who should be taking care of themselves.

As far as is known, the father often was taken out of town by his work and after all it does take money to live, the aunt had primary care of Shaniya most of the time.  It appears she did a very good job.

Not knowing all of the details, I condemn only MM and AD until therre is information to the contrary from sources I consider reliable.  I do not just automatically take the word of anyone in such a situation, particularly from those who may have motives other than seeking the truth.

I condemn MM and AD too, but they are all guilty of failing her in my opinion..

did you watch the video that Klaas provided with these others speaking? you might change your mind..why would they lie, especially when they are helping to raise his other children? jmo....



I can't answer to that.  People have different reasons for lying.  why would they all gang up on the father and aunt?  IMO there is much more than appears on the surface.  Probably old resentments.  Maybe they were mad because they wanted to raise Shaniya. Maybe they resent something about the first wife's death.  Most of the time, things are not what they appear to be at first glance.  Sometimes they are. 

BabyBear, I think new resentments.... They are angry at what has happened and have to blame someone, why not start with the one who sent her there.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 18, 2009, 12:25:12 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml
November 18, 2009 11:35 AM
Shaniya Davis' Little Body Found Near Deer Carcasses in Trash
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) The story of Shaniya Davis gets more gruesome as it unravels
A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

But Jeff Riccio of Tarheel Cainine Training Inc. said his team returned after getting information that the body of Shaniya Davis might be near the carcasses. The searchers found the body Monday afternoon underneath kudzu plants along a rural highway southeast of Sanford, N.C., about 40 miles south west of Raleigh.

Riccio says it was terrible seeing Shaniya's body, but he's glad her ordeal is over. A massive search for Shaniya began Tuesday Nov. 3 when her mother, Antoinette Davis, reported her missing from their Fayetteville, N.C., home.

Antoinette Davis has been charged with human trafficking and felony child abuse, accused of selling her daughter into sexual slavery. Police also charged Mario McNeill with kidnapping after he was captured on a hotel's surveillance video with Shaniya.

So far, no one has been charged with the girl's murder.

 Wonder if placing her near the rotting deer was coincidence or if MM was told that were some there?
What's the hold up on charging somebody with the homicide?


Jurisdiction. They are trying to figure out which county Shaniya was murdered in. :(

For goodness sakes. Slap them with State charges and they won't have to worry about jurisdiction. Actually, I think human trafficking should be a Federal charge. JMO

You are right.....Human trafficking is a federal charge! that's why I can't understand why the heck the FBI haven't been brought in yet!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 12:27:13 PM
It's my understanding the FBI was brought in early on.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 12:27:31 PM
Published: 06:38 AM, Wed Nov 18, 2009
Slain child's dad says he blames himselfBy Gregory Phillips
Staff writer

 The father of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis said Tuesday he partly blames himself for his daughter's death.

"I believe every parent would blame themselves," Bradley Lockhart said, his lower lip trembling. "We all look within ourselves to see what we could have done different."

Lockhart said he didn't know what he could have done differently, but he wishes he had known the extent of a reported Department of Social Services investigation into the home life of Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Davis.

"I feel if they would have known, they should have contacted me," he said.

Shaniya was staying with her mother when she was reported missing from the Davis home in the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park off Murchison Road on Nov. 10. Her body was found a week later in woods off a rural road south of Sanford.

Antoinette Davis and a Fayetteville man are charged in her disappearance.

Antoinette Davis faces charges that include child abuse involving prostitution. Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, is charged with first-degree kidnapping. Police say he was seen carrying Shaniya in a Sanford hotel after she went missing.

Lockhart said Tuesday he was "appalled and disgusted" at the nature of the charges. But he dismissed reports he allowed Shaniya to stay with her mother while knowing it was an unsafe environment.

"I choose not to talk about that," he said. "Most of it's speculation, though."

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 12:31:48 PM
IMO dad and aunt failed Shaniya by not checking on her. If the burns were really there I think it's criminal for them to agree to let her go there at all, but we don't know that for sure. All of them share in the guilt but I don't believe that he would knowingly send her there if he thought she would be in danger. It sounded like Shaniya did visit the mom on a semi regular basis. It wasn't until she had her own place (not really exactly as it turns out) and had held a job which would on the outside indicate she was straight from drugs, that he allowed her to stay longer. I hate what happened to her and I'm fairly certain that he will feel more remorse for the rest of his life for his lack of involvement and responsibility than any one of the rest of them. Again JMO. Each of them share to some degree in the tragedy.

mizjay ... I don't get it.

When my youngest son was five years old ... hubby and I left him with paternal grandparents for five days while we attended a funeral back east.  NOTHING could keep me from calling him each day.  I had no concern regarding his well being.  I knew that he was in good hands and was in his glory being spoiled rotten by his loving Grandma and Grandpa.  After excitedly sharing his day's activities ... it was him who would bring the contact to an end with "Moooom ... I gotta go".  I did not mind.  I was assured that all was right with his world.

Something encompassing the family dynamic in the Shanyia case gives me a hinky feeling.

Janet


Janet ~   I don't get it either, in the sense of why wasn't there more vigilence, more calls etc.  No disagreement there. I do think that this family's lifestyle was slightly different from the "norm".  The way you or I might maintain everyday contact with our kids when we are apart probably would be very different from his. Sounds like thru years of extended absences due to work, he became comfortable with relinquishing parental control. He felt ok with leaving them, right or wrong, I don't know. I couldn't have done it but I know a lot of fathers that are apart from their kids who rarely check in unless it's to pick them up for a weekend visit.
I hope there's nothing awful going to come out about his side of the family, it's horrendous enough as it is.   


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
The point is, who in the world leaves the child they've been raising, supporting and loving for the last five years with a person they don't even freaking know?!?  No one.  No one who loves their child would drop that child off at a person's house (even if it is the egg donor) they don't even know!  And certainly no one who loves his child would drop said child off and walk away and never call, never drop in, never make sure she was going to school, etc.

If a mother had done this, folks would be crucifying her.  This person doesn't get a pass because he's a man.  My husband would NEVER do such a thing with our daughter.  Never.

And the family/friends coming out talking now are angry!  As they should be!  Isn't anger an appropriate response to what has happened to this child?  Especially anger from people who TRULY loved and cared for her?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 12:42:31 PM
The BOLO stated that LE was looking for a man "about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota". 

Of the three McNeill men that have recently been arrested on various charges, one owns a blue Toyota. 

Although I don't think the McNeill who owns the blue Toyota is near that age, the one who *could have been* driving it is. 

IMO, the man is in custody, and that *could be* why there has been no further mention from LE of the BOLO, the man, or the Toyota.   

Just my opinion tho.  Guess we'll see soon enough. 
 


Date Arrested             Name

November 17, 2009    Mcneill, Samuel
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Dustrus Willis
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Mario Andrette


Just go to this link and type in the last name McNeill :

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx




Hi Wykes..

I found a Willis McNeill who owns a 2006 toyota...

http://www.co.cumberland.nc.us/tax_payments/LR_Vehicle_Bill.aspx


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 12:46:50 PM
So this is why McNeil admitted to kidnapping Shaniya. He admits guilt to the lesser crime and then only serves part of the sentence that he actually should be serving, just like he is used to doing. If they can't prove that he actually killed the girl, then they will just convict him on kidnapping.
Hi Rach, I have said several times that I don't think there was a hand off, the one in jail is the one. He admitted to the kidnapping to try to dodge the rape murder of a child. The latter charge results in certain death, by the state or fellow inmates, one way or another, he will die for it, the kidnapping is a lesser charge and I think he was going to blame the mother fully.. a "no, she gave me the kid to take to so and so, said they was gonna watch her" something like that. that explains the smirk on his nasty face. it was his thoughts of  "I am smarter then you, you can't prove anything more then I carried her in and out of there, but I know what I did" . He only admitted to that to get the results I have been seeing, "he wouldn't have admitted to kidnapping if he killed her". Yes he would, it is a lesser charge and one that any good defense attorney could get him out of.

Hi sis! Maybe his DNA on the wrong place on her body might take the smirk right off his face.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 12:59:15 PM
Janet - You're welcome! 

It *could be* that MMs family is involved, LE hasn't said.  And the other two McNeill's that have recently been arrested, I don't know yet if they are related to MM or not. 

I find it interesting tho that one McNeill (age 56) was arrested the same day as MM (on the 13th), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

Then MM, altho being "extremely uncooperative" with LE, admitted to the kidnapping and "gave some info" to LE. 

Three days later after MMs arrest, (on the 16th), the BOLO was put out to the public, with barely enough info for the public to know what they were looking for.  ("a man about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota".)

Then the next day (on the 17th) the other McNeill was arrested, (age 51), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

After that, not another word mentioned by LE or media about the BOLO, the man or the car. 

And then Shaniya's body was found. 

All interesting timing re the three McNeill's.  Are they all involved with this case?  Dunno yet.  Wouldn't be at all surprised tho.

IMO. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
The BOLO stated that LE was looking for a man "about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota". 

Of the three McNeill men that have recently been arrested on various charges, one owns a blue Toyota. 

Although I don't think the McNeill who owns the blue Toyota is near that age, the one who *could have been* driving it is. 

IMO, the man is in custody, and that *could be* why there has been no further mention from LE of the BOLO, the man, or the Toyota.   

Just my opinion tho.  Guess we'll see soon enough. 
 


Date Arrested             Name

November 17, 2009    Mcneill, Samuel
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Dustrus Willis
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Mario Andrette


Just go to this link and type in the last name McNeill :

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx




Hi Wykes..

I found a Willis McNeill who owns a 2006 toyota...

http://www.co.cumberland.nc.us/tax_payments/LR_Vehicle_Bill.aspx

Yep, that's the one.  Willis is the middle name of Dustrus, the one who was arrested on the 13th, same as MM. 

I think Samuel was driving it before he was arrested.  JMO. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 01:04:13 PM
Janet - You're welcome! 

It *could be* that MMs family is involved, LE hasn't said.  And the other two McNeill's that have recently been arrested, I don't know yet if they are related to MM or not. 

I find it interesting tho that one McNeill (age 56) was arrested the same day as MM (on the 13th), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

Then MM, altho being "extremely uncooperative" with LE, admitted to the kidnapping and "gave some info" to LE. 

Three days later after MMs arrest, (on the 16th), the BOLO was put out to the public, with barely enough info for the public to know what they were looking for.  ("a man about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota".)

Then the next day (on the 17th) the other McNeill was arrested, (age 51), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

After that, not another word mentioned by LE or media about the BOLO, the man or the car. 

And then Shaniya's body was found. 

All interesting timing re the three McNeill's.  Are they all involved with this case?  Dunno yet.  Wouldn't be at all surprised tho.

IMO. 


Just a guess, but Mario may have had help disposing of the body. Like, maybe where a good place might be. He doesn't exactly look like a deer hunter to me, so maybe he didn't know about the place she was left. JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 01:13:58 PM
The point is, who in the world leaves the child they've been raising, supporting and loving for the last five years with a person they don't even freaking know?!?  No one.  No one who loves their child would drop that child off at a person's house (even if it is the egg donor) they don't even know!  And certainly no one who loves his child would drop said child off and walk away and never call, never drop in, never make sure she was going to school, etc.

If a mother had done this, folks would be crucifying her.  This person doesn't get a pass because he's a man.  My husband would NEVER do such a thing with our daughter.  Never.

And the family/friends coming out talking now are angry!  As they should be!  Isn't anger an appropriate response to what has happened to this child?  Especially anger from people who TRULY loved and cared for her?

agreed.. on all that you just said.......that has been my point on all of this...WHY????
and you are right, if we were talking about a mother doing this, the view would be totally different towards her jmo....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 01:15:15 PM
MM sure did have a smirk on his face when he was brought before the judge..I wanted to smack him right in the chops...grrrrrr


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 18, 2009, 01:16:30 PM
The point is, who in the world leaves the child they've been raising, supporting and loving for the last five years with a person they don't even freaking know?!?  No one.  No one who loves their child would drop that child off at a person's house (even if it is the egg donor) they don't even know!  And certainly no one who loves his child would drop said child off and walk away and never call, never drop in, never make sure she was going to school, etc.

If a mother had done this, folks would be crucifying her.  This person doesn't get a pass because he's a man.  My husband would NEVER do such a thing with our daughter.  Never.

And the family/friends coming out talking now are angry!  As they should be!  Isn't anger an appropriate response to what has happened to this child?  Especially anger from people who TRULY loved and cared for her?

I agree 100% with your post.  Shaniya is the focus.

Adults were entrusted with the care and protection of this precious child and ... choices made by those adults on her behalf failed her.  If ANY of these adults are given a pass and ... not held personally responsible for his/her part in the tragic outcome .. lessons are not learned ... the cycle is deemed to be repeated ... placing another child at risk.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 01:19:49 PM
The point is, who in the world leaves the child they've been raising, supporting and loving for the last five years with a person they don't even freaking know?!?  No one.  No one who loves their child would drop that child off at a person's house (even if it is the egg donor) they don't even know!  And certainly no one who loves his child would drop said child off and walk away and never call, never drop in, never make sure she was going to school, etc.

If a mother had done this, folks would be crucifying her.  This person doesn't get a pass because he's a man.  My husband would NEVER do such a thing with our daughter.  Never.

And the family/friends coming out talking now are angry!  As they should be!  Isn't anger an appropriate response to what has happened to this child?  Especially anger from people who TRULY loved and cared for her?


I totally agree.....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 01:24:06 PM
In the interview with his son, the dad mentions Shaniya running into his BMW with her bike. 

Pic below is of interview in front of the dad's home. 

Nice home, nice car. 

Memorial fund for Shaniya set up.  Has it been mentioned by any of them yet to what charity (if any) those funds will be going? 


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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 01:27:42 PM
MM sure did have a smirk on his face when he was brought before the judge..I wanted to smack him right in the chops...grrrrrr

Well he never had to serve a full sentence for any of the crimes he committed so far, I'm sure he feels he is gonna get a free pass on this too. Maybe he wanted his 15 minutes of shame too, who knows, I know he will have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life though..in prison he has a price on his head thats for sure. They will slap that silly grin right off his face really fast. ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 01:32:05 PM
In the interview with his son, the dad mentions Shaniya running into his BMW with her bike. 

Pic below is of interview in front of the dad's home. 

Nice home, nice car. 

Memorial fund for Shaniya set up.  Has it been mentioned by any of them yet to what charity (if any) those funds will be going? 


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Shaniya/Shaniya_dad-in-front-of-his-home.jpg)






Um....why has a memorial fund been set up for Shaniya? Daddy is not poor, or is the fund to help others.? I too would like to know where the funds are going. Maybe it's set up to help Texas Equisearch or something good like that.?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 18, 2009, 01:46:24 PM
Has there been any word on cause of death? I'm bracing for that and the autopsy report.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gypsy DD on November 18, 2009, 01:48:05 PM
Janet - You're welcome! 

It *could be* that MMs family is involved, LE hasn't said.  And the other two McNeill's that have recently been arrested, I don't know yet if they are related to MM or not. 

I find it interesting tho that one McNeill (age 56) was arrested the same day as MM (on the 13th), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

Then MM, altho being "extremely uncooperative" with LE, admitted to the kidnapping and "gave some info" to LE. 

Three days later after MMs arrest, (on the 16th), the BOLO was put out to the public, with barely enough info for the public to know what they were looking for.  ("a man about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota".)

Then the next day (on the 17th) the other McNeill was arrested, (age 51), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

After that, not another word mentioned by LE or media about the BOLO, the man or the car. 

And then Shaniya's body was found. 

All interesting timing re the three McNeill's.  Are they all involved with this case?  Dunno yet.  Wouldn't be at all surprised tho.

IMO. 


Just a guess, but Mario may have had help disposing of the body. Like, maybe where a good place might be. He doesn't exactly look like a deer hunter to me, so maybe he didn't know about the place she was left. JMO

I agree Miss Fanny.  I think we are not seeing anymore charges right now because they are investigating the human trafficking angle and also the child prostitution angle.  I think the jurisdiction has to do with the Feds as well as State and Local LE.  NC is supposed to be a huge stop on the human trafficking train..so they may have gotten this info from other RSO's being interviewed.  I didn't see where they had interviewed any..but I would be amazed to find they didn't.  I also think picking up the other McNeils was so they could question them too about all this.  They may also have evidence of other men abusing this child. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
In the interview with his son, the dad mentions Shaniya running into his BMW with her bike. 

Pic below is of interview in front of the dad's home. 

Nice home, nice car. 

Memorial fund for Shaniya set up.  Has it been mentioned by any of them yet to what charity (if any) those funds will be going? 


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Shaniya/Shaniya_dad-in-front-of-his-home.jpg)





Don't know about any one else, and I am saying this as a fence sitter, but the remark about the BMW sounded odd to me. Wouldn't you just normally say she ran into my car with her scooter and I will never have it fixed? JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 02:22:38 PM
Snips taken from:

http://fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110
Published: 06:38 AM, Wed Nov 18, 2009

<snipped>

"Lockhart is a contractor who often works out of state. He said Shaniya had been staying with her mother since Oct. 9 while he was gone. His sister, Carey Lockhart-Davis, said Shaniya had split her time between her and Antoinette Davis since then.

Those caring for Lockhart's older children say he knew Davis' home was not safe for Shaniya and that he should not have allowed her to stay there.

Tim Allen has been caring for Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter, Cheyenne, since July. Cheyenne lives with Allen and his daughters, with whom she attends Pine Forest High School. Allen said Lockhart agreed Oct. 1 to let Shaniya stay with his family at night while Lockhart was gone and for her to spend the days at a day care run by Allen's mother. A day later, Allen said, Lockhart told him he had changed his mind.

"He said he knew she wasn't supposed to be over there, but he wanted to give her biological mother a chance," Allen said. On Oct. 3, Lockhart left town, Allen said, returning the day Shaniya went missing.
"

<snipped>

"We've had a lot of tragedy in our family," said Byron Coleman, Vickie Sue Lockhart's father.

Coleman said he was angry about Shaniya's death.

"He knew the situation with this girl," Coleman said. "He knew the kind of environment.

"Why take Shaniya back to a woman like that? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard."

The Colemans and Brad Lockhart have been on opposing sides in several lawsuits in recent years, most of which were dismissed. A case filed in 1998 resulted in the Colemans being granted custody of their grandchildren and child support in 2007, according to court files.

Before Shaniya's death, Lockhart was paying child support on three children, including Shaniya and two of the children from his marriage.

"I would have kept Shaniya, but he never asked me," Phyllis Coleman said. "After all, I kept his (other) three children.''


<snipped>

"Neighbor Scott Rollston said a memorial page has been set up on Facebook and a foundation has been established in Shaniya's name. Donations can be made at the Wachovia Bank on Morganton Road.

Shaniya's funeral arrangements will be made through McLaughlin Chapel, the Lockhart family church, Rollston said."


http://fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110


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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 02:25:35 PM
In the interview with his son, the dad mentions Shaniya running into his BMW with her bike. 

Pic below is of interview in front of the dad's home. 

Nice home, nice car. 

Memorial fund for Shaniya set up.  Has it been mentioned by any of them yet to what charity (if any) those funds will be going? 


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Shaniya/Shaniya_dad-in-front-of-his-home.jpg)





Don't know about any one else, and I am saying this as a fence sitter, but the remark about the BMW sounded odd to me. Wouldn't you just normally say she ran into my car with her scooter and I will never have it fixed? JMO


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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 02:38:52 PM
Rumor?  posted in the comment section:

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/6444425/

11:01 PM
Nov 17, 2009

Brad was also 28 at the time, his wife was murdered and he had four kids to raise by himself without a mother for them. I want you all to understand this, he saw how much his children missed having a mother and when Shaniya was born he hoped her mother would rise to the occasion and try to be a mother to Shaniya. He did that for Shaniya. The mother was not someone he picked up in a bar, she was a former babysitter of his kids. They had a very, very brief encounter and Shaniya was made. Brad loved Shaniya and always was protective of her, but he wanted her to also feel she had a mother, unlike his older children. Please, stop your judgements till you've walked in someones shoes.




Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 02:48:49 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 02:49:40 PM
Info about Antoinette's housing history.. found at WS:


09CVM6630 Ejectment 8/6/2009 Served 8/10/2009 L& S RENTALS DAVIS,ANTOINETTE WALL ST

09CVM3353 Writ of Possession 5/22/2009 Served 6/1/2009 L&S RENTALS DAVIS,ANTOINETTE WALL ST

09CVM3353 Ejectment 4/23/2009 Served 4/27/2009 L&S RENTALS DAVIS,ANTOINETTE WALL ST

08CVM10832 Writ of Possession 12/29/2008 Served 1/6/2009 FAYETTEVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY DAVIS,ANTOINETTE MELVIN PL

08CVM10832 Ejectment 12/3/2008 Served 12/5/2008 FAYETTEVILLE METRO HOUSING AUTH DAVIS,ANTOINETTE N MELVIN PL

07CVM2494 Ejectment 4/2/2007 Served 4/3/2007 FAY METRO HOUSING AUTHORITY DAVIS,ANTOINETTE N MELVIN PL

http://www.ccsonc.org/data/civil/civilname.asp



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 18, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
Seems to me the aunt loved having her and was taking very good care of her. She spoke of a special bond she shared with Shaniya, I wonder why that didn't count to the father. I bet she would have kept her if she could have. So sad. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 03:05:23 PM
Rumor?  posted in the comment section:

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/6444425/

11:01 PM
Nov 17, 2009

Brad was also 28 at the time, his wife was murdered and he had four kids to raise by himself without a mother for them. I want you all to understand this, he saw how much his children missed having a mother and when Shaniya was born he hoped her mother would rise to the occasion and try to be a mother to Shaniya. He did that for Shaniya. The mother was not someone he picked up in a bar, she was a former babysitter of his kids. They had a very, very brief encounter and Shaniya was made. Brad loved Shaniya and always was protective of her, but he wanted her to also feel she had a mother, unlike his older children. Please, stop your judgements till you've walked in someones shoes.



Obviously, I disagree wholeheartedly.  No protective parent leaves his child with someone he barely knows.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 18, 2009, 03:05:32 PM
The dad has said that Shaniya was a product from "a one-night stand".  Makes sense if Antoinette actually was a hooker 5-6 years ago. 

Just trying to wrap my mind around a one-night stand who would come after the baby daddy, then agree to share the raising of that child.  Perhaps it's just naive of me to think this doesn't happen very often. 

Perhaps there is some truth in that rumor posted above, that Antoinette had been Bradley's babysitter after the death of his wife.  Maybe I've read too many romance novels, yet am wondering if that's true..... then perhaps, after several years, Antoinette may have had some stars in her eyes re Bradley and a possible future with him?  And perhaps on realizing a permanent thing wasn't gonna happen, got a bit ticked off at him? 

Could the selling of, misuse, abuse and death of Shaniya all be part of a huge FU to Brad? 

JMO. 
 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 03:06:51 PM
Rumor?  posted in the comment section:

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/6444425/

11:01 PM
Nov 17, 2009

Brad was also 28 at the time, his wife was murdered and he had four kids to raise by himself without a mother for them. I want you all to understand this, he saw how much his children missed having a mother and when Shaniya was born he hoped her mother would rise to the occasion and try to be a mother to Shaniya. He did that for Shaniya. The mother was not someone he picked up in a bar, she was a former babysitter of his kids. They had a very, very brief encounter and Shaniya was made. Brad loved Shaniya and always was protective of her, but he wanted her to also feel she had a mother, unlike his older children. Please, stop your judgements till you've walked in someones shoes.




don't know how much of the above is true...didn't the father himself say that they had no relationship, that she was a one night stand and that they hardly knew each other? Which kids would she have baby sat? and why would he have her babysit??? not buying the above...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 03:08:44 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 03:13:08 PM
so dad must have had a child prior to his marriage to Vicki? cause it was said that they had 3 children together...and why does his son not have his last name? why didn't Shaniya have his last name...just things that make me go hmmmm...
I have heard that he has 5 kids and I have heard that he has 5 other children besides Shaniya...anyone know for sure? Byron lives with the grand father..the daughter lives with a family friend...where are the rest of them living? did any of his kids live with him?

did anyone do a background check on the dad? like I said before, I tried but every site that I pulled up wanted to charge me $29.95....anyone else have access to background checks?
just be nosy....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 18, 2009, 03:16:59 PM
I wonder if charges are pending due to the autospy report giving a day and time of death?

I think MM was transporting this child from one perv to another or to a person that bought her. Obviously no one knows and we are all giving it our best guess. I actually hope I am wrong. The thought of this child being passed around like a bag of chips is too much to handle.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 03:19:06 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.


That's true. Maybe a screening wouldn't have helped. I guess I just have a lot of resentment for the father. Weren't there drug charges against the mother in the past though? That wouldn't show up on her record?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 18, 2009, 03:23:45 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 03:26:24 PM
I think they are waiting to file charges until they determine time and cause of death as well as jurisdiction.

This morning they said that the crime started in Fayetteville and proceeded to other areas,
so it is possible that Fayetteville could prosecute parts of the crime and other agencies could
prosecute other parts.

They mentioned a whole string of counties and law enforcement agencies involved, including the FBI.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 03:26:42 PM
So this is why McNeil admitted to kidnapping Shaniya. He admits guilt to the lesser crime and then only serves part of the sentence that he actually should be serving, just like he is used to doing. If they can't prove that he actually killed the girl, then they will just convict him on kidnapping.
Hi Rach, I have said several times that I don't think there was a hand off, the one in jail is the one. He admitted to the kidnapping to try to dodge the rape murder of a child. The latter charge results in certain death, by the state or fellow inmates, one way or another, he will die for it, the kidnapping is a lesser charge and I think he was going to blame the mother fully.. a "no, she gave me the kid to take to so and so, said they was gonna watch her" something like that. that explains the smirk on his nasty face. it was his thoughts of  "I am smarter then you, you can't prove anything more then I carried her in and out of there, but I know what I did" . He only admitted to that to get the results I have been seeing, "he wouldn't have admitted to kidnapping if he killed her". Yes he would, it is a lesser charge and one that any good defense attorney could get him out of.

Hi sis! Maybe his DNA on the wrong place on her body might take the smirk right off his face.

I sure hope so. I hope they have so much DNA/ physical evidence against him that he has not even room to wiggle is little toe.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 03:28:51 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo

I really think he did it in his own defense. Maybe he found out about the Amber Alert and knew that he would be caught. By that time he was already on CNN and probably would be on America's Most Wanted by Saturday. Maybe he didn't want to go on the run and knew there was little evidence against him. He seems to have a history of getting away with things. Maybe he thought he could play the system for a fool again.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 03:32:49 PM
Janet - You're welcome! 

It *could be* that MMs family is involved, LE hasn't said.  And the other two McNeill's that have recently been arrested, I don't know yet if they are related to MM or not. 

I find it interesting tho that one McNeill (age 56) was arrested the same day as MM (on the 13th), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

Then MM, altho being "extremely uncooperative" with LE, admitted to the kidnapping and "gave some info" to LE. 

Three days later after MMs arrest, (on the 16th), the BOLO was put out to the public, with barely enough info for the public to know what they were looking for.  ("a man about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota".)

Then the next day (on the 17th) the other McNeill was arrested, (age 51), with no mention about him in this case.  (petty violation charges, no bond). 

After that, not another word mentioned by LE or media about the BOLO, the man or the car. 

And then Shaniya's body was found. 

All interesting timing re the three McNeill's.  Are they all involved with this case?  Dunno yet.  Wouldn't be at all surprised tho.

IMO. 


Just a guess, but Mario may have had help disposing of the body. Like, maybe where a good place might be. He doesn't exactly look like a deer hunter to me, so maybe he didn't know about the place she was left. JMO

I agree Miss Fanny.  I think we are not seeing anymore charges right now because they are investigating the human trafficking angle and also the child prostitution angle.  I think the jurisdiction has to do with the Feds as well as State and Local LE.  NC is supposed to be a huge stop on the human trafficking train..so they may have gotten this info from other RSO's being interviewed.  I didn't see where they had interviewed any..but I would be amazed to find they didn't.  I also think picking up the other McNeils was so they could question them too about all this.  They may also have evidence of other men abusing this child. 
I think they want to make sure they have an air tight case due to the case being as it is, you know, such a disgusting act and all.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 03:36:26 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.

That was what the nursing home "said" they did. She had a record and it wasn't spotless. And I doubt if the father did one either, IF she was a baby sitter. JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 18, 2009, 03:37:07 PM
This story is so hard...As we all sit here and read we can all surly see how this could have been prevented and it sickens us. We can all plainly see the dad made a very poor choice, some would call it stupid, I will say it was reckless at best. Poor little girl. But you know, her dad didn't sell her or rape her or kidnap her or killer her. It appears from what we know now, he didn't really do that much for her and he sucked as a father.
Finding blame is natural, we all need to know who to blame and why so it will seem we have some kind of control so it never happens to someone we love.  I think I am not placing blaming with him because I ask myself this question. If he had known then what he knows now would he have done something differently or still sent her? I think not because his daughter died and it is obvious he didn't want that to happen. I ask myself that same question about the mom and MM and I truly think the only thing they would have done differently is to change what made them get caught. They had not one ounce of regard for this child. they used her, they sold her, they made money off her body. I don't think they could give a rats bottom she is dead. That is who I blame.
The dad? He should not have anymore children, he really is not good at it. A vasectomy maybe in order for him. jmo


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 18, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
Yeah maybe so I just don't understand why le would say sex trafficking and that other stuff. I mean did someone tell le that is what was going on? If not why not just say kidnapping and murder since he had her. I don't mean to seem dumb just asking so maybe I can get a better understanding.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 03:40:08 PM
Has this been posted?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7125838

Scammer raising money in Shaniya's Name
Updated at 03:11 PM today
Investigation


FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- The Fayetteville Police Department says it's investigating a tip that a scammer is attempting to raise money in the name of Shaniya Davis.

The man was seen in the area of McPherson Church Road and Skibo Road. He's described as a white male wearing a grey sweatshirt and a dark hat who was holding a piece of cardboard which said he was collecting money for Shaniya.

Police said he was attempting to collect money from passing motorists. When asked, he told one motorist that he was collecting money for the Fayetteville Police Department. The motorist noted that the man stuttered.

The Fayetteville Police Department says it's not collecting money on behalf of Shaniya Davis.

It's asking anybody that knows the identity of the man to call the Fayetteville Police Department at (910) 433-1585 or Crimestoppers at (910) 483-TIPS.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 03:40:51 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.

That was what the nursing home "said" they did. She had a record and it wasn't spotless. And I doubt if the father did one either, IF she was a baby sitter. JMO

I'll bet a pretty that she has a street name and a family name.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
This story is so hard...As we all sit here and read we can all surly see how this could have been prevented and it sickens us. We can all plainly see the dad made a very poor choice, some would call it stupid, I will say it was reckless at best. Poor little girl. But you know, her dad didn't sell her or rape her or kidnap her or killer her. It appears from what we know now, he didn't really do that much for her and he sucked as a father.
Finding blame is natural, we all need to know who to blame and why so it will seem we have some kind of control so it never happens to someone we love.  I think I am not placing blaming with him because I ask myself this question. If he had known then what he knows now would he have done something differently or still sent her? I think not because his daughter died and it is obvious he didn't want that to happen. I ask myself that same question about the mom and MM and I truly think the only thing they would have done differently is to change what made them get caught. They had not one ounce of regard for this child. they used her, they sold her, they made money off her body. I don't think they could give a rats bottom she is dead. That is who I blame.
The dad? He should not have anymore children, he really is not good at it. A vasectomy maybe in order for him. jmo

You've got a great point. I am not going to place blame anymore. This whole situation angers me so much but you are right, placing blame on the dad isn't going to bring her back.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 18, 2009, 03:57:53 PM
I did not know this, but evidently Brad is engaged, did anyone else read that or hear that? If true maybe the fiance didn't want Shaniya around, that may be a reason why Brad was going to give Shaniya's mom a chance of being a mom. That chance of being a mom doesn't make to much sense, since she was already being a mom to a seven year old. And it appears that the aunt carried for and loved Shania so I don't know.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 04:01:35 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo

I think the surveillance pics were already out by the time he turned himself in. So he couldn't get out of the kidnapping part. The look on his face says "Prove it" as far as the murder in his booking picture. JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 04:03:11 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.

That was what the nursing home "said" they did. She had a record and it wasn't spotless. And I doubt if the father did one either, IF she was a baby sitter. JMO

I'll bet a pretty that she has a street name and a family name.

Sure to have had many alias. She wasn't a hooker and a druggie for that long with no record. JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.

That was what the nursing home "said" they did. She had a record and it wasn't spotless. And I doubt if the father did one either, IF she was a baby sitter. JMO
Sis, with everything happening, I just noticed you've changed!!!  Where is your butt?? I need that diet!!!!!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 04:06:11 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo

I think the surveillance pics were already out by the time he turned himself in. So he couldn't get out of the kidnapping part. The look on his face says "Prove it" as far as the murder in his booking picture. JMO

I agree Fanny


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 04:14:44 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo

I think the surveillance pics were already out by the time he turned himself in. So he couldn't get out of the kidnapping part. The look on his face says "Prove it" as far as the murder in his booking picture. JMO

Ok, Im getting skeered.. we have agreed on a lot in this case, including this. are you reading my notes again  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 18, 2009, 04:15:56 PM
Originally Posted by momof2boys 
I just wanted to post this to let you guys know I have been down in Fayetteville all day today trying to figure this out and been to courthouse and looked at all the stuff that is public knowledge and this is what I have found.

Brenda Adell Davis is the Aunt. DOB 6/7/89 The address on Wall Street that was raided was 119 Wall. This lady does not have a criminal record at all. She owns no vehicles.

Carey Lockhart address is 295 Shadsford Blvd and is the correct school district for Morganton Elem. She owns this house as well as 2004 Jeep.

Brad Lockhart as we know lives on Lester. He owns a 05 Yukon and 93 Cadi. Has a criminal history that also past of domestic violence.

Mr. Mcneil has extensive criminal history and owns 5 vehicles so this is how both Mom and Aunt got around.

I have talked to alot of folks here and lots of people are thinking there is alot more to the story than is being release. Some think Mom has nothing to do with this and McNeil took the child. I am not sure I just dont want to guess and make assumtions only the truth. Hope this helps.  ( from ws)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
Hi guys this is the sickest one yet IMO
I'm still back on the first thread catching up but what i have noticed is the pics:
she is definitely wearing some type of shoe and to me they look to be almost netted like jelly shoes like these ones but with a more criss cross hole design
http://www.zappos.com/skechers-kids-s-lights-jujees-toddler-youth-clear-pvc
as far as the number on the elevator i think it is a 5 ... maybe a 3 but definitely a single digit and it should have braile next to it (i think it is a law)
and as far as how this all went down i am not convinced that the guy carrying her was the one that raped her... actual sex trafficking is set up thru agent type people and someone gets in touch with a pimp and arranges the meeting... and when it is actual child trafficking it is not the same type of pimping as regular adult prostitutes these johns are almost always high up in society...
as far as the mother here is my take on it and no i have not read all the articles or facts but.... i think she came across someone who facilitates these child sex encounters and he said blah blah blah better money in kids... i think she knew months ahead of time exactly what she was going to do when she got shaniya... and i think that the fbi was called in to break the ring... these are not regular people that partake in child trafficking it is a very organized enterprise and the guy carrying her was probably the "driver" so to speak. I want to know who they were meeting there...
back to the pics i'm on the fence with the timing... the middle one is definitely at a different time then the other 2
reasons i think middle is on the way in.... sleepy look and wearing shoes and doesn't look like she is carrying any animal
and the other 2 pics she is crossing her ankles possibly from vaginal pain but i can't decide because she is lightly touching his shoulder as though she trusts him (or rather doesn't distrust him yet is better wording) and is looking up at the elevator in anticipation like she is wondering where they are going
as far as the guy carrying her i just saw his court appearance and the f it look on his face kind of like yeah it happened but what can i say let's move on look i also see that same aura(?) in him in the 2 end pictures where as in the middle picture it almost looks by his body motion(?) that he is looking at her with sympathy for what he is about to do/// it kind of seems to me he thinks he is not guilty because he was just doing his job and he is just a driver...
this case reminds me of "gardens of the night" a movie with tom arnold in it all about child sex trade.... disgusting
there have been times that i had almost hoped that the plot in the movie was what happened to haleigh cummings but after thinkiing it over i'd rather hope she is with god...
i hope these people rot in hell
and if i am right about them meeting a 3rd person in the hotel room and those are bruises on her face (it makes me sick saying this but maybe she was putting up a fight and the john went to far beating her about the head area to make her calm down and that is what lead to her death then you can bet your money that this john will be punished for drawing attention to the sex ring
also especially in children head trauma's lead to concusions at best and usually vomitting

i read that she was found in shirt only so where are the shoes... please don't tell me this sick bastard kept them... i don't see him or her carrying them and i just looked again and in fact i think i just changed my mind about coming and going
JERSEY
what is she wearing as under garment in the pic with shoes that comes halfway down her thigh... about 2 shades lighter then her skin...

sorry for the rambling guys


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 18, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
Probably posted already.... I am slow  ::Baseball::
Published: 01:03 PM, Wed Nov 18, 2009
Police warn of scam involving Shaniya Davis caseBy Drew Brooks
Staff writer

 Fayetteville police are warning residents about a scam involving subjects soliciting money in the name of Shaniya Davis.

Police said a man in the area of McPherson Church and Skibo roads was holding a sign indicating he was collecting money for Shaniya from passing motorists.

"It's just a play on people's sympathy," said Sgt. John Somerindyke. "There's a lot of interest in the case. These scam artists know that and are going to try and take advantage of it."

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: michelle1111 on November 18, 2009, 04:33:58 PM
I don't know if any one asked these question's.  I have been trying to get approved on this site.  So hello everyone!  I think scared monkey checks more than some parents.
I am trying to make sense of giving this lovely child to the mom.  I can't.  I don't understand why any of this happened.
1.  They didn't know she was not going to school?  Didn't anyone ask "hey what did you do in school this week? Learn any new songs, homework or friends?"  Don't we all love those silly songs?
2.  What did the dads friend mean when he said a "way out" of giving child to mom?  Strange choice of words to me.  What was he trying to get a "way  out" of?
3.  How could dad kick the daughter out?  The grandparents were raising her I thought.
4.  Everyone knew mom prostitute but dad still give daughter?  Lets see the brother, sister, friend and children's grandparent all knew this.  The dad still thought give mom a chance why?  That just seems that is a bad situation for a child to be thrown into.
5.  What was that about on NG?  Coming out not to talk just hang on son?
Just my thoughts on another senseless crime against yet another child.
 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 04:33:58 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo

I think the surveillance pics were already out by the time he turned himself in. So he couldn't get out of the kidnapping part. The look on his face says "Prove it" as far as the murder in his booking picture. JMO

Ok, Im getting skeered.. we have agreed on a lot in this case, including this. are you reading my notes again  ::MonkeyKiss::
i agree with both of you... he has a definite look of prove it or "i just delivered her"


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 04:35:26 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.

That was what the nursing home "said" they did. She had a record and it wasn't spotless. And I doubt if the father did one either, IF she was


Fanny Mae,

Do you have evidence that AD at 20 yrs. old she had a record when he hired her to babysit?
You must know something more...did you work at the nursing home?  You must have ESP!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 04:37:55 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
I don't know if any one asked these question's.  I have been trying to get approved on this site.  So hello everyone!  I think scared monkey checks more than some parents.
I am trying to make sense of giving this lovely child to the mom.  I can't.  I don't understand why any of this happened.
1.  They didn't know she was not going to school?  Didn't anyone ask "hey what did you do in school this week? Learn any new songs, homework or friends?"  Don't we all love those silly songs?
2.  What did the dads friend mean when he said a "way out" of giving child to mom?  Strange choice of words to me.  What was he trying to get a "way  out" of?
3.  How could dad kick the daughter out?  The grandparents were raising her I thought.
4.  Everyone knew mom prostitute but dad still give daughter?  Lets see the brother, sister, friend and children's grandparent all knew this.  The dad still thought give mom a chance why?  That just seems that is a bad situation for a child to be thrown into.
5.  What was that about on NG?  Coming out not to talk just hang on son?


.
Just my thoughts on another senseless crime against yet another child.
 





Good questions, Michelle,

AD and Aunt Carrie, apparently, didn't see eye to eye, maybe, AD didn't accept her phone calls. AD may have had caller ID
a cell phone, so Carrie wasn't able to ask "Shaniya did you learn anything at Kindergarden?"

Why someone didn't call for "wellness visit" from the Cops is bewildering or call the a custodian, anyone, neighbors, it is
so easy to call neighbors with reverse addresses.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
I don't know if any one asked these question's.  I have been trying to get approved on this site.  So hello everyone!  I think scared monkey checks more than some parents.
I am trying to make sense of giving this lovely child to the mom.  I can't.  I don't understand why any of this happened.
1.  They didn't know she was not going to school?  Didn't anyone ask "hey what did you do in school this week? Learn any new songs, homework or friends?"  Don't we all love those silly songs?
2.  What did the dads friend mean when he said a "way out" of giving child to mom?  Strange choice of words to me.  What was he trying to get a "way  out" of?
3.  How could dad kick the daughter out?  The grandparents were raising her I thought.
4.  Everyone knew mom prostitute but dad still give daughter?  Lets see the brother, sister, friend and children's grandparent all knew this.  The dad still thought give mom a chance why?  That just seems that is a bad situation for a child to be thrown into.
5.  What was that about on NG?  Coming out not to talk just hang on son?
Just my thoughts on another senseless crime against yet another child.
 


hi and welcome...
not definite answers but my take on some of your questions:
where i come from prostitutes get their babies back from dss all the time... we know that dad litterally had custody but maybe not legally???? unless they went to court on it already which i have no clue but unless they did then technically the mother has the physical custodial rights and dad has no visitation rights... maybe she was saying how together she had it and she would take shaniya legally unless he cooperated and handed her over... if she was on the straight and narrow she could have built a good case to gain full custody and he might end up with slim to no visits... dss never cares about a persons past only the current
maybe he figured she would get sick of the burden and would return her????
as far as him not talking to ng i am glad he hasn't at least nancy can't persecute him this way... she is being nice now and hasn't touched on all the why did you let her go questions but she would.... whatever his reason for sending her there he made the biggest mistake ever and he will know it for the rest of his life... even if he did it for selfish reasons he has paid the ultimate price and it should just be left at that... i hope everyone leaves him alone


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 04:51:16 PM
Maybe he should start doing a background check on his babysitters.

Rachcresp,

The nursing home screened that greedy mother, an extensive background search, and her history was perfect...

If Brad did a background search he would have had the same results...her record was spotless.

Antonnette is a greedy and ugly humor being, that isn't on the record search.

That was what the nursing home "said" they did. She had a record and it wasn't spotless. And I doubt if the father did one either, IF she was a baby sitter. JMO
Sis, with everything happening, I just noticed you've changed!!!  Where is your butt?? I need that diet!!!!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

O/T Never fear. The butt's still here. That is Gertrude and Albert, my concrete geese that have more clothes than I do. ::MonkeyDevil2::

They are mad about what happened to Shaniya too. Even geese have more sense than some humans.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 05:05:19 PM
Am I the only won that thinks that maybe just maybe mm did NOT kill shaniya. I just don't see anyone who had done something so horrific turning themselves in. I just don't think a murderer would walk in and turn hisself in. And say here I am and yes I kidnapped shaniya. But I did not kill her. Idk jmo

I think the surveillance pics were already out by the time he turned himself in. So he couldn't get out of the kidnapping part. The look on his face says "Prove it" as far as the murder in his booking picture. JMO

Ok, Im getting skeered.. we have agreed on a lot in this case, including this. are you reading my notes again  ::MonkeyKiss::
i agree with both of you... he has a definite look of prove it or "i just delivered her"

Now I'm getting skeered! Even KLAAS agreed with me. I am not used to having so many Monkeys agreeing with me.  (http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/fannymae66/runcircles.gif)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 18, 2009, 05:13:52 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 05:22:28 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
OT: just got a tweet.. Elizabeth Olten's killer is named, and will stand trial as an adult! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575590,00.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 05:44:05 PM
OT: just got a tweet.. Elizabeth Olten's killer is named, and will stand trial as an adult! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575590,00.html

Eeerrr, I think you need to visit her thread.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 05:53:35 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.
hhhm
 i disagree it says the opposite tome and does suggest a hand off
it says she sold her to a man for sexual servitude translation... sex slave ... the owner owns the slave and the slave works for the owner by making money thru other johns... if it was him that was having sex with her then it would have been the mother charged with forcing sexual servitude


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 05:57:53 PM
OT: just got a tweet.. Elizabeth Olten's killer is named, and will stand trial as an adult! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575590,00.html

Eeerrr, I think you need to visit her thread.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Day late n dollar short??  I couldn't, I have so many windows open I cant keep up as it is...research ya know.. ugggg


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 06:03:28 PM
Rumor?  posted in the comment section:

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/6444425/

11:01 PM
Nov 17, 2009

Brad was also 28 at the time, his wife was murdered and he had four kids to raise by himself without a mother for them. I want you all to understand this, he saw how much his children missed having a mother and when Shaniya was born he hoped her mother would rise to the occasion and try to be a mother to Shaniya. He did that for Shaniya. The mother was not someone he picked up in a bar, she was a former babysitter of his kids. They had a very, very brief encounter and Shaniya was made. Brad loved Shaniya and always was protective of her, but he wanted her to also feel she had a mother, unlike his older children. Please, stop your judgements till you've walked in someones shoes.



Obviously, I disagree wholeheartedly.  No protective parent leaves his child with someone he barely knows.

She was a babysitter by day and what hooker by night? Or did daddy get a two for one deal? Or he just hit on the babysitter...I wouldn't have used that example to try and polish up his Image...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
Mother of Slain 5-Year-Old Is Pregnant
Antoinette Davis is accused of selling her daughter as a sex slave


Newser) – The North Carolina woman accused of selling her 5-year-old girl into sexual slavery—the girl's body was found yesterday—is pregnant. Antoinette Davis, 25, is being isolated from other prisoners as a result, reports WTVD. She has not entered a plea to charges of human trafficking, prostitution, and child abuse. Police say she sold young Shaniya to a man for "sexual servitude." Volunteers found Shaniya's body yesterday, and the man remains in custody, though not yet charged.

http://www.newser.com/story/74256/mother-of-slain-5-year-old-is-pregnant.html

This tells me there was no hand off as I suspected. sick sick sick people they are. I hope they rot in he11 for what was done to that baby girl.. I am sure the big boys in prison will show him what it feels like to be assaulted like that. They will change his name for him to ben dover.
hhhm
 i disagree it says the opposite tome and does suggest a hand off
it says she sold her to a man for sexual servitude translation... sex slave ... the owner owns the slave and the slave works for the owner by making money thru other johns... if it was him that was having sex with her then it would have been the mother charged with forcing sexual servitude
The mother *was* charged with sexual servitude, wasn't she?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 06:04:44 PM
Allalone, do you mean add charges for taking drugs while pregnant?  There is no such crime as far as I know.


Endangering the life of a fetus is a crime in some states, I think.
yup but only after 20 weeks ( i think)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 06:06:35 PM
Endangering the life of a fetus hasn't been a crime since Roe v. Wade.
right but it is illegal to abort after a certain week of pregnancy (i think 20)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 06:08:48 PM
OT: just got a tweet.. Elizabeth Olten's killer is named, and will stand trial as an adult! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,575590,00.html

Eeerrr, I think you need to visit her thread.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

Day late n dollar short??  I couldn't, I have so many windows open I cant keep up as it is...research ya know.. ugggg

I know what you mean about too many windows. Some days are slow as molasses but this hasn't been one of them.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

Did you notice the hug/slash choke hold daddy had on his boy last night, looked like a not so gentle reminder to me....although I don't see him as an abuser I would guess he could be a bit of a bully.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: 4getUnot on November 18, 2009, 06:12:44 PM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.



The father came out shortly after his son made this statement.....maybe the son was giving too much info..........

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html


I'm getting the impression that the father may have just decided to let that filthy mother take care of Shaniya and now is trying to evade responsibility for doing that....

Thanks N2W

Just wanted to say I agree with both of you on this.  It reminded me of Ron and Misty.  Then the part of him giving Antoinette a second chance, what is that about, except control.  It's not really up to him whether she got a second chance(Is he using something to control her).  Wouldn't that be up to a court to decide and if not, then why not? I want to know when did he give her the first chance and did she blow it.  I'm not defending the Mom but the human trafficking issue is really puzzling because that is a huge business and we are not seeing the whole picture.  Human traffickers are getting filthy rich off their filthy deeds.  When I look at this situation overall I get the feeling that some are a whole lot better off than the deplorable conditions of others and what are the connections between the two ends of the spectrum. How would such a bright, beautiful, innocent little girl all of a sudden end up in such a disgusting and deplorable situation?  Sorry if I have offended anyone but the whole thing is not a pretty picture it just gets uglier with each passing day.   I do believe some that some very hard questions are going to be asked in order to get to the truth. I have many more questions but will let it rest for now.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sweets7881 on November 18, 2009, 06:19:45 PM
I believe trhat this mother had this planned from the begining. She knew what she was doing. I'm just so puzzeled at the fact Shanaia's father let this crazy mother have custody of her. If everything was going so well with her in his custody, why put that huge change in the little girls life. And another thing, did anyone think the way he acted on Nancy Grace last night was kind of "set up"? I mean he knew his son was doing the interview plently of time before he came out. I think he know's more than he is letting on. (I hope im not going over board here). I just have a bad feeling about him?? Can anyone else way in on this, because I may be thinking totally offtrack!?!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sweets7881 on November 18, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Good Morning Monks.  I am really confused about Brad......when his son was on NG last night and he came out and put his arms around his son I got that Hinky feeling. Then after the break he was sitting in a chair next to his son but didn't talk. I got the impression he was there to make sure his son didn't say something he wasn't supposed to say. I felt he had been sitting inside watching the show and something his son said raised an alarm with him. It was just freaking weird to see him strolling up behind his son while the show was going on...hugging and kissing this 20 yo over and over.  I have not commented on my feeling about Brad, mainly because I am not sure what I think....but this really made the hairs on my arms stand up and say WTF.

Guess I should have read further down! It seem's im not the only one feeling this way! I got that same feeling too! And the son, (which I think had abosolutly nothing to do with this) just kept looking back at his dad like "what are you doing"? Weird!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 06:36:53 PM
I don't know if any one asked these question's.  I have been trying to get approved on this site.  So hello everyone!  I think scared monkey checks more than some parents.
I am trying to make sense of giving this lovely child to the mom.  I can't.  I don't understand why any of this happened.
1.  They didn't know she was not going to school?  Didn't anyone ask "hey what did you do in school this week? Learn any new songs, homework or friends?"  Don't we all love those silly songs?
2.  What did the dads friend mean when he said a "way out" of giving child to mom?  Strange choice of words to me.  What was he trying to get a "way  out" of?
3.  How could dad kick the daughter out?  The grandparents were raising her I thought.
4.  Everyone knew mom prostitute but dad still give daughter?  Lets see the brother, sister, friend and children's grandparent all knew this.  The dad still thought give mom a chance why?  That just seems that is a bad situation for a child to be thrown into.
5.  What was that about on NG?  Coming out not to talk just hang on son?
Just my thoughts on another senseless crime against yet another child.
 



Welcome  ::MonkeyAngel:: michelle1111, and all the new Monkeys..
I can't make sense of anything, my mom used to say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, in this case the outcome was tragic. I have only really addressed the hands off disinterested approach of her primary care giver. They will be living in their own hell though.
As for the egg donor and her cohorts I would be banned forever if I began to expound on these pieces of filth.
You came to the right site though a burden shared is a burden halved, I don't know what I would do if I couldn't come here and rant.

Love my Monkeys  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 06:37:19 PM
The 911 call on NG right now, I swore when AD was describing what Shaniya was wearing she started to say "she was wearing a blue velvet..... a blue shirt"

I think she damn well knew she was wearing the blue velvet dress we are seeing in the elevator images as she dressed up nice and pretty. 
i don't know anything as to if that is a dress but i thought it strange that she started to give detail about the underwear she said white with little pink and then stopped and said actually i can't remember some design on them... i have never known what underwear my kids were wearing even when i was the one to dress them... makes me wonder if she remembered the white with pink design because it was what was requested she wear


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sweets7881 on November 18, 2009, 06:39:18 PM
Rumor?  posted in the comment section:

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/6444425/

11:01 PM
Nov 17, 2009

Brad was also 28 at the time, his wife was murdered and he had four kids to raise by himself without a mother for them. I want you all to understand this, he saw how much his children missed having a mother and when Shaniya was born he hoped her mother would rise to the occasion and try to be a mother to Shaniya. He did that for Shaniya. The mother was not someone he picked up in a bar, she was a former babysitter of his kids. They had a very, very brief encounter and Shaniya was made. Brad loved Shaniya and always was protective of her, but he wanted her to also feel she had a mother, unlike his older children. Please, stop your judgements till you've walked in someones shoes.



Obviously, I disagree wholeheartedly.  No protective parent leaves his child with someone he barely knows.

She was a babysitter by day and what hooker by night? Or did daddy get a two for one deal? Or he just hit on the babysitter...I wouldn't have used that example to try and polish up his Image...

Yeah Im in agreeance with the last 2 posts, I know I would not leave my child with anyone I don't trust with my childs life. Yes a tragedy the other childrens mother died, but why break the little girl away from the normal life she knew with her siblings? I think taking her out of that situation would be worse for her? And he knew what this woman was and what she was about. That's why he had custody of her in the first place right?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
Jesus! how many times does the mom <<<used loosely>>> have to tell 911 that Shaniya knew how to unlock the doors! NG  just said it ! she must be logged onto here! tee hee!

anyways...I believe that the mom meant the 5:30 p.m. time till the operator corrected her...someone else on here had said this earlier as well...
or when she is asked if the doors were unlocked and she says no but she could reach them... the op was clearly asking if they were unlocked in the am ... but the mother just kept saying no they were locked but she can reach and unlock it....what did she unlock the doors and then lock them behind her after she left....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 06:50:38 PM
I believe trhat this mother had this planned from the begining. She knew what she was doing. I'm just so puzzeled at the fact Shanaia's father let this crazy mother have custody of her. If everything was going so well with her in his custody, why put that huge change in the little girls life. And another thing, did anyone think the way he acted on Nancy Grace last night was kind of "set up"? I mean he knew his son was doing the interview plently of time before he came out. I think he know's more than he is letting on. (I hope im not going over board here). I just have a bad feeling about him?? Can anyone else way in on this, because I may be thinking totally offtrack!?!  ::MonkeyConfused::


I agree, she may well have had this planned from the moment she said "you will never see her again" As she was pregnant and couldn't work she decided to "pimp" her daughter. I hope her little boy wasn't mishandled like that, this is someone who should be sterilized just in case some do gooder lets her out in 15 years.
What a filthy wretch of a so called mother.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


Wonder where they got those deer carcasses?  Only doe season is open here.  Maybe somebody
worked at a processor where they dressed deer for hunters who had killed them.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 18, 2009, 06:58:39 PM
The 911 call on NG right now, I swore when AD was describing what Shaniya was wearing she started to say "she was wearing a blue velvet..... a blue shirt"

I think she damn well knew she was wearing the blue velvet dress we are seeing in the elevator images as she dressed up nice and pretty. 
i don't know anything as to if that is a dress but i thought it strange that she started to give detail about the underwear she said white with little pink and then stopped and said actually i can't remember some design on them... i have never known what underwear my kids were wearing even when i was the one to dress them... makes me wonder if she remembered the white with pink design because it was what was requested she wear

I thought the same thing.  When my kiddos were little, I would have been hard put most of the time to tell anyone exactly what they were wearing on a given day... even if I dressed them ... precisely as you said.  And certainly not their underwear.... it just wasn't something worth noting every day.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: N2WISHN on November 18, 2009, 06:59:51 PM
4getUnot

How would such a bright, beautiful, innocent little girl all of a sudden end up in such a disgusting and deplorable situation?  Sorry if I have offended anyone but the whole thing is not a pretty picture it just gets uglier with each passing day.   I do believe some that some very hard questions are going to be asked in order to get to the truth. I have many more questions but will let it rest for now.


And your question is really haunting me too......


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: N2WISHN on November 18, 2009, 07:01:21 PM
JVM is talking about all the negative remarks made by family and friends.....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 07:01:43 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-28599-Crime--Media-Examiner~y2009m11d17-Shaniya-Davis-searcher-describes-finding-body

The searcher make this statement that they heard "the guy admitted to killing her and dumping her somewhere near deer carcasses and trash".

So maybe he- MAM admitted to it but will not give further info to not implicate anyone else?  But if there is anyone else's DNA on her body I bet they are worried right about now.

Sick SOB's I hope they all rot.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: sweets7881 on November 18, 2009, 07:03:08 PM
I believe trhat this mother had this planned from the begining. She knew what she was doing. I'm just so puzzeled at the fact Shanaia's father let this crazy mother have custody of her. If everything was going so well with her in his custody, why put that huge change in the little girls life. And another thing, did anyone think the way he acted on Nancy Grace last night was kind of "set up"? I mean he knew his son was doing the interview plently of time before he came out. I think he know's more than he is letting on. (I hope im not going over board here). I just have a bad feeling about him?? Can anyone else way in on this, because I may be thinking totally offtrack!?!  ::MonkeyConfused::


I agree, she may well have had this planned from the moment she said "you will never see her again" As she was pregnant and couldn't work she decided to "pimp" her daughter. I hope her little boy wasn't mishandled like that, this is someone who should be sterilized just in case some do gooder lets her out in 15 years.
What a filthy wretch of a so called mother.


Yes, you hit that on the head, saying what a filthy wretch of a so called mother!! Anywho, was it actually stated that she (the egg donor) was a prositute? I am a full time nursing student, and as much as i would love to be UTD on everything, some things I miss. It just boggles my mind, how a person that calls themself a mother, can think of prostituting her lil baby, and be okay with it? I mean jeez, have people not heard of actually working a REAL job? And I know I have heard the speculations, but was she a drug addict?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 07:03:43 PM
The 911 call on NG right now, I swore when AD was describing what Shaniya was wearing she started to say "she was wearing a blue velvet..... a blue shirt"

I think she damn well knew she was wearing the blue velvet dress we are seeing in the elevator images as she dressed up nice and pretty. 
i don't know anything as to if that is a dress but i thought it strange that she started to give detail about the underwear she said white with little pink and then stopped and said actually i can't remember some design on them... i have never known what underwear my kids were wearing even when i was the one to dress them... makes me wonder if she remembered the white with pink design because it was what was requested she wear

I thought the same thing.  When my kiddos were little, I would have been hard put most of the time to tell anyone exactly what they were wearing on a given day... even if I dressed them ... precisely as you said.  And certainly not their underwear.... it just wasn't something worth noting every day.

Actually if she really was only sent with 2 days clothes, she was probably been wearing the same pair for weeks. By then those cretons may remember the dirty, filthy pair of white and pink undies. Makes me mad just to think of it


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 07:03:52 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


Wonder where they got those deer carcasses?  Only doe season is open here.  Maybe somebody
worked at a processor where they dressed deer for hunters who had killed them.

I can imagine them stacking the deer carcasses around her to try and put the dogs off the scent but dogs trained to sniff out decomposing human bodies aren't fooled by that, I would think that an inexperienced handler may be inclined to pull the dogs away though when a visual inspection showed an animal carcass. Good job it didn't work.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 07:06:33 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


That made me wonder if Shaniya was in a trash bag.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


Wonder where they got those deer carcasses?  Only doe season is open here.  Maybe somebody
worked at a processor where they dressed deer for hunters who had killed them.

2009 North Carolina Deer Hunting Season
Archery -    September 12 - October 2
Muzzle loading Firearm - October 10 - 16
Rifle Season -  October 17 - January 1

http://www.northeasternhunting.com/prices.html

I don't know why trash bags or if they actually mistook that for simply trash after reading the other articles about where she was found.  From the pictures Searching posted it almost looks like this was a hole dug to purposely put the carcasses in?  JMO 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 07:11:14 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


Wonder where they got those deer carcasses?  Only doe season is open here.  Maybe somebody
worked at a processor where they dressed deer for hunters who had killed them.

I can imagine them stacking the deer carcasses around her to try and put the dogs off the scent but dogs trained to sniff out decomposing human bodies aren't fooled by that, I would think that an inexperienced handler may be inclined to pull the dogs away though when a visual inspection showed an animal carcass. Good job it didn't work.

yup, but see my other post where they heard he admitted to sticking her with deer carcasses?  The searcher said they knew of the spot and after visually not seeing her pulled the dogs away until they heard. 

So exactly what you said until they heard he admitted to it?  That's what I hear on that video and the way it went down it looks valid to me.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 07:17:48 PM
Does HLN have the guy from the "Intervention" show on?  omg.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.


Wonder where they got those deer carcasses?  Only doe season is open here.  Maybe somebody
worked at a processor where they dressed deer for hunters who had killed them.

I can imagine them stacking the deer carcasses around her to try and put the dogs off the scent but dogs trained to sniff out decomposing human bodies aren't fooled by that, I would think that an inexperienced handler may be inclined to pull the dogs away though when a visual inspection showed an animal carcass. Good job it didn't work.

yup, but see my other post where they heard he admitted to sticking her with deer carcasses?  The searcher said they knew of the spot and after visually not seeing her pulled the dogs away until they heard. 

So exactly what you said until they heard he admitted to it?  That's what I hear on that video and the way it went down it looks valid to me.

Ooops..didn't see that, so the dogs were right the first go round. I didn't know it was a handler problem...

Thank you for pointing that out  fatcatlurker   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
Good Evening Monkeys & Guests,

Has this been posted?


snip.


Police searched McNeill's car, a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, and took a black and yellow abblebottom jacket, size four, a pair of jeans, size 24 months, a plastic straw, swabbings, and soil samples.

According to search warrangs, McNeill admitted taking Davis from the front of her house to a hotel in Sanford.

It is unknown at this time what McNeill's connection is to the child, police say. April Autry tells NBC17 that she is McNeill's girlfriend and is friends with Shaniya's aunt.

McNeilll was on unsupervised probation when Davis went missing. McNeill has been charged multiple times since 2001. The charges include assault inflicting serious bodily injury, possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use and hitting a police officer with his car


snip.
http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 07:29:00 PM
Welcome MICHELLE1111 & ANY OTHER NEW MONKEY I HAVE MISSED!!! ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
Good Evening Monkeys & Guests,

Has this been posted?


snip.


Police searched McNeill's car, a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, and took a black and yellow abblebottom jacket, size four, a pair of jeans, size 24 months, a plastic straw, swabbings, and soil samples.

According to search warrangs, McNeill admitted taking Davis from the front of her house to a hotel in Sanford.

It is unknown at this time what McNeill's connection is to the child, police say. April Autry tells NBC17 that she is McNeill's girlfriend and is friends with Shaniya's aunt.

McNeilll was on unsupervised probation when Davis went missing. McNeill has been charged multiple times since 2001. The charges include assault inflicting serious bodily injury, possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use and hitting a police officer with his car


snip.
http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

I don't remember seeing this before. Thanks!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: michelle1111 on November 18, 2009, 07:32:43 PM
thanks for welcome.  Learning how to post no great


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 07:34:59 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.

New Monkey,

Could you give us your "source", please, about the Dad and your information? TIA


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 07:38:36 PM
Good Evening Monkeys & Guests,

Has this been posted?


snip.


Police searched McNeill's car, a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, and took a black and yellow abblebottom jacket, size four, a pair of jeans, size 24 months, a plastic straw, swabbings, and soil samples.

According to search warrangs, McNeill admitted taking Davis from the front of her house to a hotel in Sanford.

It is unknown at this time what McNeill's connection is to the child, police say. April Autry tells NBC17 that she is McNeill's girlfriend and is friends with Shaniya's aunt.

McNeilll was on unsupervised probation when Davis went missing. McNeill has been charged multiple times since 2001. The charges include assault inflicting serious bodily injury, possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use and hitting a police officer with his car


snip.
http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

I don't remember seeing this before. Thanks!

Your welcome, I gleaned it from another site:)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 07:43:24 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.

New Monkey,

Could you give us your "source", please, about the Dad and your information? TIA

Someone posted above about going to Fayetteville today and checking out the "players" in this nightmare.  This person either posted directly here or took something from over on WS and brought it here.  This person said she found where the father had a criminal background and domestic violence was included in that background.  It should be in this thread somewhere before I posted about it. 

Obviously, it is hearsay.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 07:49:09 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.

New Monkey,

Could you give us your "source", please, about the Dad and your information? TIA

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Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Razzy1 on November 18, 2009, 07:51:45 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 18, 2009, 08:00:13 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.

New Monkey,

Could you give us your "source", please, about the Dad and your information? TIA

Someone posted above about going to Fayetteville today and checking out the "players" in this nightmare.  This person either posted directly here or took something from over on WS and brought it here.  This person said she found where the father had a criminal background and domestic violence was included in that background.  It should be in this thread somewhere before I posted about it. 

Obviously, it is hearsay.

Thanks...WS is strict about the truth, I will check over there..I hate BS...because it is so distracts from real information.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 18, 2009, 08:00:13 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO
I'm entitled to my opinion the same as you.  Why do you continue to berate folks with differing opinions?  I'm not dissing you for yours.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
Now I have a good question (IMO) Why is it that parents are just allowed to withdraw their kids from school without proving a child will be being homeschooled (with a curriculum plan as proof) or without the school that the child is being transferred to faxing for the request for information?  There have been far too many abuse cases out there where parents withdraw their kids, say they are moving, sometimes they do sometimes they don't, and the kid is beaten to death or starved to death or locked up for years, etc.  I mean I have heard so many cases of it I just have issues that there isn't some kind of law to protect the kids who have actually been enrolled from being in this type of situation again.  A lady I know,who has had so many CPS cases open, has had her kids removed twice, decided she was going to move and didn't want anyone to know where she was going so she withdrew her kids and didn't leave any type of forwarding to anybody, she didn't even tell her landlord she was moving, just up and did it.  I asked the school why they let her do that and they said that they couldn't stop her.  I was thinking that there should be something in place to help LE and CPS monitor these at risk kids and help protect those who haven't been discovered to be at risk yet but are at risk without us knowing.
you do not by law have to be in school until age 6... however when you are and then not it should ring bells and set off red flags


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Razzy1 on November 18, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO
I'm entitled to my opinion the same as you.  Why do you continue to berate folks with differing opinions?  I'm not dissing you for yours.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I apologize if sounding like that.  My heart goes out to him, for his loss. I just want the truth. I didn't mean to be rude, sorry.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 08:07:51 PM
anybody know who  or what relation the guy they showed on Hln was to the family that talked about cigarette burns on a child?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO
I'm entitled to my opinion the same as you.  Why do you continue to berate folks with differing opinions?  I'm not dissing you for yours.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I apologize if sounding like that.  My heart goes out to him, for his loss. I just want the truth. I didn't mean to be rude, sorry.

I think if it were my child I would know every inch of the home where my child would be staying but that's the type person I am,it just bothered me to see the nice home he lived in and what Shaniya was living in....I feel for the family and their loss....but it makes me angry that the dad was not more aware of the environment that his daughter was subject to.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
anybody know who  or what relation the guy they showed on Hln was to the family that talked about cigarette burns on a child?

I think one of them was the father of Vicky, Brad's wife who was killed in the home invasion.
He and his wife had raised the children from that marriage.
The other man is a neighbor who Cheyenne lives with.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 18, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
In an affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, investigators said McNeill told them he picked Shaniya up in front of her home and drove her to the hotel. Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch.

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.   ::MonkeyEek::  That's new, I never heard that McNeill picked Shaniya up in front of her home.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 18, 2009, 08:20:37 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO

You won't get banned for having an opinion, mine is opposite to yours but we would defend your right to have your own beliefs. Even if I don't agree ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 08:22:39 PM
In an affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, investigators said McNeill told them he picked Shaniya up in front of her home and drove her to the hotel. Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch.

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.   ::MonkeyEek::  That's new, I never heard that McNeill picked Shaniya up in front of her home.

Very interesting....thank you for posting  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 08:24:06 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=002-8.flv

Here is the video.  Now the stuff comes out.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 08:26:14 PM
Seahorse Thank you for bringing that forward.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 08:26:36 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO

You won't get banned for having an opinion, mine is opposite to yours but we would defend your right to have your own beliefs. Even if I don't agree ::MonkeyDevil2::

I was not trying to start a monkey war  ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil2::when I posted about the fathers home..my emotions as well as other monkeys have been on overtime ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cecilita on November 18, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
Hello Monkeys...
Why NG says that the father did not know about the mother's addcition to maihuana....when the father's teen daughter told NG that she knew that she smoked pot.... and the teen was not to close to her...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 18, 2009, 08:29:22 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=002-8.flv

Here is the video.  Now the stuff comes out.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 08:31:34 PM
Hello Monkeys...
Why NG says that the father did not know about the mother's addcition to maihuana....when the father's teen daughter told NG that she knew that she smoked pot.... and the teen was not to close to her...

If i am not mistaken she also said that she did cocaine.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 08:32:39 PM
After listening to the father, his sister, his children, friend, and ex father -in-law I know longer feel sorry for Shaniya dad.. The father apparently having 5 children who he does not seem to have the time or quality time for them.. His father-in-law, Brad friend who now has taken in Cheyenne were willing to take in Shaniya then let her go live with the druggie prostitute and her trash of friends but Brad disregard the safety and well being of his daughter and let Shaniya go... What was going on in Brad's life to make this uncareing , selfish decision? Why would he not let Shaniya go to his friend's home or his ex Father-In-Law home? Apparently  brad you weren''t even checking in on Shaniya because you stated you did'nt even know she wasn't attending school..I have to agree with the father-in-law and say to Brad .. Shaniya would be here today but she isn't because of your hasty, careless, selfish, unloving decision to let her go live with the trash...This is something you will have to live with every minute of everyday of you life..
yet another time i wish i didn't post before i was totally caught up...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 09:02:44 PM
testing  ::MonkeyJnBox:: where did everybody go ?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Razzy1 on November 18, 2009, 09:05:31 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO

You won't get banned for having an opinion, mine is opposite to yours but we would defend your right to have your own beliefs. Even if I don't agree ::MonkeyDevil2::

I was not trying to start a monkey war  ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil2::when I posted about the fathers home..my emotions as well as other monkeys have been on overtime ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree, maybe I should go beat up on Alyssa.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
Hi Penny,

I was really upset when I wrote that comment about the father..
We as parents are to suppose to make the right decision for our children as they are too young to make a decisions ... To protect them, guide them and keep them safe.. Shaniya was safe,healthy, she had Carey take great care of her, Shaniya was getting blue stickers for her doing good in school , smiling and happy, she had love and  a foundation.. Why would the father take a chance and let the POS have her .. Just to let her be a mother?.. I dont by it...

God Bless Shaniya..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 18, 2009, 09:10:16 PM
Before you leave let me welcome you to the cage.

Welcome razzzy1


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
In an affidavit for a warrant to search McNeill's 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, investigators said McNeill told them he picked Shaniya up in front of her home and drove her to the hotel. Investigators also said they found feces smeared on the outside door handle of the front door to the home and on the handrail of the steps to the front porch.

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.   ::MonkeyEek::  That's new, I never heard that McNeill picked Shaniya up in front of her home.

IF true that he picked her up at the curb it will go directly to mom sending her out there. She's already said that she was up early, maybe she sends the poor baby out in the cold all messed up with the filthy blanket, MM gets a wiff of the stench and goes to the neighbors and throws the thing away. Sick, sick   
                                                                                                                                                                                 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
Good Evening Monkeys & Guests,

Has this been posted?


snip.


Police searched McNeill's car, a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, and took a black and yellow abblebottom jacket, size four, a pair of jeans, size 24 months, a plastic straw, swabbings, and soil samples.

According to search warrangs, McNeill admitted taking Davis from the front of her house to a hotel in Sanford.

It is unknown at this time what McNeill's connection is to the child, police say. April Autry tells NBC17 that she is McNeill's girlfriend and is friends with Shaniya's aunt.

McNeilll was on unsupervised probation when Davis went missing. McNeill has been charged multiple times since 2001. The charges include assault inflicting serious bodily injury, possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use and hitting a police officer with his car


snip.
http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

I think the straw would account for the stoned look on his face whenever we see him?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 09:13:40 PM
Welcome aboard new Monkey's... ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Good Evening Monkeys & Guests,

Has this been posted?


snip.


Police searched McNeill's car, a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, and took a black and yellow abblebottom jacket, size four, a pair of jeans, size 24 months, a plastic straw, swabbings, and soil samples.

According to search warrangs, McNeill admitted taking Davis from the front of her house to a hotel in Sanford.

It is unknown at this time what McNeill's connection is to the child, police say. April Autry tells NBC17 that she is McNeill's girlfriend and is friends with Shaniya's aunt.

McNeilll was on unsupervised probation when Davis went missing. McNeill has been charged multiple times since 2001. The charges include assault inflicting serious bodily injury, possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use and hitting a police officer with his car


snip.
http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

I think the straw would account for the stoned look on his face whenever we see him?

BBM  I am sure they used the lights and all on the car, so those swabbings will hang him I hope.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
Searching I got my fingers crossed!  And Thank you for the other thing,   I hear you!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
Interesting dad has domestic violence charges in the past.  I think we're going to learn much more about ole pop.

I feel the sorriest for the Aunt.  She had children of her own to think about or I bet she would have done whatever it took to get Shaniya out of that situation with her egg donor. . . including taking her and leaving the area.  Hard to do when you have little ones (or even highschool aged children) of your own.
I'm afraid you may be right about dad.

If that is dads house he is standing in front of I wonder if he feels guilty  that he lived in a very nice home while Shaniya lived in a mobile home backed up with sewage..I really do not see how he will be able to sleep at night ::MonkeyMad::

I may get banned for this but it's my opinion. It's seems like your on his jury, he's being tried and convicted, without proof. Since when do we convict on hearsay? This devil manipulated him, bs'd him, until I hear different, I'll not put him on trial.  Do you know for a fact Brad knew Shaniya was gonna be staying at that sewage pond? JMO

You won't get banned for having an opinion, mine is opposite to yours but we would defend your right to have your own beliefs. Even if I don't agree ::MonkeyDevil2::

I was not trying to start a monkey war  ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil2::when I posted about the fathers home..my emotions as well as other monkeys have been on overtime ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree, maybe I should go beat up on Alyssa.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::  she deserves it!   I always head back to Caylee's thread, safe among all that mostly are united in belief of her guilt and the family insanity!

High emotions in here, so much blame to go around. I guess we all allow a rock bottom expectation for the pimps and druggies and abusers but it's hard to reconcile that a well dressed, well spoken, professional guy could be so lax about his child.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mizjay on November 18, 2009, 09:24:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.

He's goin down, ya know what I'm sayin       ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 09:27:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.


Not a day over 16......and she his baby mama.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 09:30:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.

That's not AD's sister, is it?? I thought she was his girlfriend.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

i read that earlier and it made me wonder if it was a clean up highway crew that just tossed the road debris in the woods after dder accidents on the highway... or possibly a hunter but why bag and leave your kill there... i do not think it was placed there around her on purpose but i do think she was placed there on purpose... maybe in hopes of animals getting rid of the evidence... around here it is all convicts that clean our highways... ones that are on good behavior and get to be on work duty and they get paid for it in prison... mm was in prison and according to the way the judge praises him he was on such good behavior on probation maybe he earned himself highway detail and remembered the dead animal ditch spot from then


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:32:24 PM
He's goin down - I like that! 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 18, 2009, 09:32:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.

That's not AD's sister, is it?? I thought she was his girlfriend.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I think Brenda Davis is Antionette's sister.  I have not seen a picture of her, but heard she
visited AD on Sunday.  Brenda used to chill with MAM according to April.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 18, 2009, 09:33:10 PM
Searching I got my fingers crossed!  And Thank you for the other thing,   I hear you!

No need for thanks, truth is truth but you are welcome. You are a smart monkey.   ::MonkeyKiss::

I have my fingers toes and eyes crossed, if I could cross my ears I would.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:34:41 PM
I'm not taking either side because if you think about it the people who saw burn marks on her also had an obligation to report it.  We can either do something about it or do nothing and live with the consequences we all have choices to make in life.

It just sad all around like so many we see. jmo


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 09:35:27 PM
The 911 call on NG right now, I swore when AD was describing what Shaniya was wearing she started to say "she was wearing a blue velvet..... a blue shirt"

I think she damn well knew she was wearing the blue velvet dress we are seeing in the elevator images as she dressed up nice and pretty. 
i don't know anything as to if that is a dress but i thought it strange that she started to give detail about the underwear she said white with little pink and then stopped and said actually i can't remember some design on them... i have never known what underwear my kids were wearing even when i was the one to dress them... makes me wonder if she remembered the white with pink design because it was what was requested she wear

I thought the same thing.  When my kiddos were little, I would have been hard put most of the time to tell anyone exactly what they were wearing on a given day... even if I dressed them ... precisely as you said.  And certainly not their underwear.... it just wasn't something worth noting every day.
yeah it was the first thing i noticed that stuck out to me about the call... it was like she almost did elaborate on exactly the pattern and then realized it was strange that she would know that and then stopped herself...
i never know what my kids are wearing but i did start taking walking out the door pictures anytime they have a field trip at school just in case i god for bid needed a current photo... even when we do know what they were wearing by description descriptions aren't good enough (like hanna montanna  shirt jeans etc.)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 09:35:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.

That's not AD's sister, is it?? I thought she was his girlfriend.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I understood her to be Mario's current girlfriend.  I believe Mario was an ex boyfriend of Brenda Davis.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:38:46 PM
Did you guys see this article where it states the deer carcasses where in bags?  That means they were carried there and potentially touched/moved to place around Shaniya? 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5696345.shtml?tag=latest

A dog trainer who helped look for the missing North Carolina 5-year-old says searchers overlooked her body at first because all they saw were deer carcasses in trash bags.

i read that earlier and it made me wonder if it was a clean up highway crew that just tossed the road debris in the woods after dder accidents on the highway... or possibly a hunter but why bag and leave your kill there... i do not think it was placed there around her on purpose but i do think she was placed there on purpose... maybe in hopes of animals getting rid of the evidence... around here it is all convicts that clean our highways... ones that are on good behavior and get to be on work duty and they get paid for it in prison... mm was in prison and according to the way the judge praises him he was on such good behavior on probation maybe he earned himself highway detail and remembered the dead animal ditch spot from then

You know the first thing I thought with the deer carcasses was BEAR! 

Oh good thoughts on that jail time detail, could be.  He doesn't strike me as a hunter and to randomly go in the woods 100 yards and luck out with a ditch with deer carcasses is a bit much for me to believe.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 09:42:00 PM
Sorry if this was already posted but they caught the guy that was using Shaniya as a scam to make money.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 09:51:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.


Not a day over 16......and she his baby mama.
well at least i feel a little better about the size 24 months jeans they found in his car... as shaniya was not a size 24 mos and i was starting to worry if there are other victims... for now i am guessing they are his daughter's his baby mama says there were no signs of molestation with their daughter...
although i guess it is possible that she could be lying for him...
there have been studies done and i don't have the link and i do not want to sound racist but non-reported molestation especially within family members is higher in the black community... not that it matters because she is a pos either way but the fact that the mothers family is standing up for her makes me wonder what went on in the mothers childhood that made her be a hooker and think it is okay for her 5 year old to be one


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 09:52:08 PM
I was checking incident reports.. November 13, 2009 12.03 pm

Agency Name
Fayetteville Police Department  Incident/Investigation
Report OCA
2009-039649 
ORI
NC 0260100
 Date/Time Reported: Friday 
 
Month Day Yr Time Hrs
11 13 2009 12:03:37 PM 12
#1
 Crime/Incident(s)
2030 -   Attempt
 Complete  At Found: Friday 
 Last Known Secure: Friday 
 
Month
11  Day
13  Yr
2009  Time
12:03:37 PM  Hrs
12  Month
11 Day
13 Yr
2009 Time
12:02:00 PM  Hrs
12 
#2 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Location of Incident
922 WASHINGTON DR
FAYETTEVILLE, NC  Offense Tract
8602-03 
#3 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Premise Type
HOME OF VICTIM - SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING  Victim Residence Type
 Single Family
 Multi Family 
 How attacked or committed
VICTIM IS BEING NEGLECTED BY SUSPECT  Forcible
 Yes
 N/A
 No Weapon/Tools
Crime #1: PERSONAL WEAPONS (HANDS, FEET, TEETH, ETC.) 
 # of Victims
1  Type:  Person  Business
 Society  Government
 Financial Institute  Religious
 L.E. Officer Line of Duty  Unknown  Injury  None  Minor  Loss of Teeth
 Broken Bones  Severe Lacerations
 Internal  Unconscious  Other Major  Drug/Alcohol Use:
 Yes  Unknown
 No  N/A 
V1 Victim Business Name (Last, First, Middle)
 AUTRY, AMARI    Victom of Crime #

2030
 DOB/Age
00  Race
B  Sex
Relationship to Offender
Child

 Resident Status
 Resident
 Non-Resident
 Unknown 
Home Address

Apt #
,    Home Phone 
Employer Name/Address


,    Business Phone 
VYR  Make  Model  Style  Lic/Lis  VIN 
 STATUS           L-Lost      S-Stolen      R-Recovered      D-Damaged      Z-Seized      B-Burned      C-Counterfeit/Forged      F-Found
 (Check "OJ" column if recovered for other jurisdiction) 
 Victim # DCI Status Value OJ Qty Property Description Make/Model Serial Number
                 
Number of Vehicles Stolen:   Number of Vehicles Recovered:   
 
 Officer Name/ID#
SANDBERG, DEBRA L  Officer Signature  Supervisor Signature 
 Complainant Signature  Case Status
 Further Investigation
 Inactive
 Closed/Cleared
 Closed/Leads Exhausted  Case Disposition
 Unfounded  Juvenille/No Custody  Extradiction Declined
 Cleared by Arrest  Refuse to Cooperate
 Cleared by Arrest by Another Agency
 Death of Offender  Prosecution Declined

http://police.ci.fayetteville.nc.us/print_report_page1.asp


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
So April Autry is 22 could of fooled me.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 18, 2009, 09:59:17 PM
I was checking incident reports.. November 13, 2009 12.03 pm

Agency Name
Fayetteville Police Department  Incident/Investigation
Report OCA
2009-039649 
ORI
NC 0260100
 Date/Time Reported: Friday 
 
Month Day Yr Time Hrs
11 13 2009 12:03:37 PM 12
#1
 Crime/Incident(s)
2030 -   Attempt
 Complete  At Found: Friday 
 Last Known Secure: Friday 
 
Month
11  Day
13  Yr
2009  Time
12:03:37 PM  Hrs
12  Month
11 Day
13 Yr
2009 Time
12:02:00 PM  Hrs
12 
#2 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Location of Incident
922 WASHINGTON DR
FAYETTEVILLE, NC  Offense Tract
8602-03 
#3 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Premise Type
HOME OF VICTIM - SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING  Victim Residence Type
 Single Family
 Multi Family 
 How attacked or committed
VICTIM IS BEING NEGLECTED BY SUSPECT  Forcible
 Yes
 N/A
 No Weapon/Tools
Crime #1: PERSONAL WEAPONS (HANDS, FEET, TEETH, ETC.) 
 # of Victims
1  Type:  Person  Business
 Society  Government
 Financial Institute  Religious
 L.E. Officer Line of Duty  Unknown  Injury  None  Minor  Loss of Teeth
 Broken Bones  Severe Lacerations
 Internal  Unconscious  Other Major  Drug/Alcohol Use:
 Yes  Unknown
 No  N/A 
V1 Victim Business Name (Last, First, Middle)
 AUTRY, AMARI    Victom of Crime #

2030
 DOB/Age
00  Race
B  Sex
Relationship to Offender
Child

 Resident Status
 Resident
 Non-Resident
 Unknown 
Home Address

Apt #
,    Home Phone 
Employer Name/Address


,    Business Phone 
VYR  Make  Model  Style  Lic/Lis  VIN 
 STATUS           L-Lost      S-Stolen      R-Recovered      D-Damaged      Z-Seized      B-Burned      C-Counterfeit/Forged      F-Found
 (Check "OJ" column if recovered for other jurisdiction) 
 Victim # DCI Status Value OJ Qty Property Description Make/Model Serial Number
                 
Number of Vehicles Stolen:   Number of Vehicles Recovered:   
 
 Officer Name/ID#
SANDBERG, DEBRA L  Officer Signature  Supervisor Signature 
 Complainant Signature  Case Status
 Further Investigation
 Inactive
 Closed/Cleared
 Closed/Leads Exhausted  Case Disposition
 Unfounded  Juvenille/No Custody  Extradiction Declined
 Cleared by Arrest  Refuse to Cooperate
 Cleared by Arrest by Another Agency
 Death of Offender  Prosecution Declined

http://police.ci.fayetteville.nc.us/print_report_page1.asp


I can't maks sense of this.  What does it mean?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 10:01:14 PM
I was checking incident reports.. November 13, 2009 12.03 pm

Agency Name
Fayetteville Police Department  Incident/Investigation
Report OCA
2009-039649 
ORI
NC 0260100
 Date/Time Reported: Friday 
 
Month Day Yr Time Hrs
11 13 2009 12:03:37 PM 12
#1
 Crime/Incident(s)
2030 -   Attempt
 Complete  At Found: Friday 
 Last Known Secure: Friday 
 
Month
11  Day
13  Yr
2009  Time
12:03:37 PM  Hrs
12  Month
11 Day
13 Yr
2009 Time
12:02:00 PM  Hrs
12 
#2 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Location of Incident
922 WASHINGTON DR
FAYETTEVILLE, NC  Offense Tract
8602-03 
#3 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Premise Type
HOME OF VICTIM - SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING  Victim Residence Type
 Single Family
 Multi Family 
 How attacked or committed
VICTIM IS BEING NEGLECTED BY SUSPECT  Forcible
 Yes
 N/A
 No Weapon/Tools
Crime #1: PERSONAL WEAPONS (HANDS, FEET, TEETH, ETC.) 
 # of Victims
1  Type:  Person  Business
 Society  Government
 Financial Institute  Religious
 L.E. Officer Line of Duty  Unknown  Injury  None  Minor  Loss of Teeth
 Broken Bones  Severe Lacerations
 Internal  Unconscious  Other Major  Drug/Alcohol Use:
 Yes  Unknown
 No  N/A 
V1 Victim Business Name (Last, First, Middle)
 AUTRY, AMARI    Victom of Crime #

2030
 DOB/Age
00  Race
B  Sex
Relationship to Offender
Child

 Resident Status
 Resident
 Non-Resident
 Unknown 
Home Address

Apt #
,    Home Phone 
Employer Name/Address


,    Business Phone 
VYR  Make  Model  Style  Lic/Lis  VIN 
 STATUS           L-Lost      S-Stolen      R-Recovered      D-Damaged      Z-Seized      B-Burned      C-Counterfeit/Forged      F-Found
 (Check "OJ" column if recovered for other jurisdiction) 
 Victim # DCI Status Value OJ Qty Property Description Make/Model Serial Number
                 
Number of Vehicles Stolen:   Number of Vehicles Recovered:   
 
 Officer Name/ID#
SANDBERG, DEBRA L  Officer Signature  Supervisor Signature 
 Complainant Signature  Case Status
 Further Investigation
 Inactive
 Closed/Cleared
 Closed/Leads Exhausted  Case Disposition
 Unfounded  Juvenille/No Custody  Extradiction Declined
 Cleared by Arrest  Refuse to Cooperate
 Cleared by Arrest by Another Agency
 Death of Offender  Prosecution Declined

http://police.ci.fayetteville.nc.us/print_report_page1.asp

jersey i am kind of dumb and i always go uuuugghh when you post these posts i know they are great finds but i get pizzed cuz i never know what the hell they say lol...
can you translate this to english for me pleeeeez
and i asked you a question earlier about her middle pic... do you see the 2 shade lighter garment she has on halfway down her thigh and how he seems to be staring at her crotch area... and i still think she was wearing clear jelly shoes and i would like to know where they are and her stuffed animal.....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 18, 2009, 10:02:17 PM
bananas don't feel bad i can't either....
i was just posting the same


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 10:04:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.

That's not AD's sister, is it?? I thought she was his girlfriend.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I understood her to be Mario's current girlfriend.  I believe Mario was an ex boyfriend of Brenda Davis.

And Coe (wasn't that his name?) was Antoinette's ex. They seemed to have "man" problems.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 10:06:48 PM
This was an incident report file... Neglected by offender of a child..
Child name is Amari Autry. Go to the link it explains better...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:07:21 PM
Sorry if this was already posted but they caught the guy that was using Shaniya as a scam to make money.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325

Good!  Thanks for posting!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 10:07:41 PM
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953074

I cannot believe McNeil's arrest record.  To shoot someone several times and get off on probation is beyond belief.  So what he sat in jail for 2 yrs than off on supervised probation for the rest?  whoop de doo.  Unbelievable.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:07:49 PM
this case just gets sadder and sadder the  more that we hear and read...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 18, 2009, 10:08:33 PM
bananas don't feel bad i can't either....
i was just posting the same
PENNY, I saw the shoes too, and possibly some thigh high stockings in the middle picture.
We had a debate about it the other night. Magnolia and I were about the only ones that saw them, the rest said they couldn't even with the magnifyer. I believe personally that the middle picture was the going in pic, and the barefoot ones were the going out, but not everyone agrees with me. JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:11:04 PM
bananas don't feel bad i can't either....
i was just posting the same
PENNY, I saw the shoes too, and possibly some thigh high stockings in the middle picture.
We had a debate about it the other night. Magnolia and I were about the only ones that saw them, the rest said they couldn't even with the magnifyer. I believe personally that the middle picture was the going in pic, and the barefoot ones were the going out, but not everyone agrees with me. JMO


I saw shoes as well...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
Penny.. The POS Mcneill g/f name is April Autry who have a child named Amari...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 10:12:41 PM
bananas don't feel bad i can't either....
i was just posting the same
PENNY, I saw the shoes too, and possibly some thigh high stockings in the middle picture.
We had a debate about it the other night. Magnolia and I were about the only ones that saw them, the rest said they couldn't even with the magnifyer. I believe personally that the middle picture was the going in pic, and the barefoot ones were the going out, but not everyone agrees with me. JMO


I saw shoes as well...

I might add I brought the shoes up and noticed them...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:13:34 PM
bananas don't feel bad i can't either....
i was just posting the same
PENNY, I saw the shoes too, and possibly some thigh high stockings in the middle picture.
We had a debate about it the other night. Magnolia and I were about the only ones that saw them, the rest said they couldn't even with the magnifyer. I believe personally that the middle picture was the going in pic, and the barefoot ones were the going out, but not everyone agrees with me. JMO


I saw shoes as well...

I might add I brought the shoes up and noticed them...

yep  you did....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 18, 2009, 10:24:10 PM
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953074

I cannot believe McNeil's arrest record.  To shoot someone several times and get off on probation is beyond belief.  So what he sat in jail for 2 yrs than off on supervised probation for the rest?  whoop de doo.  Unbelievable.

Hi Monkeys!

fatcat, I can't believe it either! He should have been put away a long, long, time! Certainly long enough for Shaniya to be a full grown woman!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 18, 2009, 10:25:09 PM
Where are the pictures of that monster with little Shaniya in the motel?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 18, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
Where are the pictures of that monster with little Shaniya in the motel?

Here's one of them, bananas!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 10:34:53 PM
Three pic's together.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 18, 2009, 10:35:03 PM
thanks cbb... they were all 3 posted somewhere earlier.... anyone know where?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 10:35:50 PM
Another incident.. November 13th, 2009 10:40 am- April Autry

AIncident/Investigation
Report OCA
2009-039644 
ORI
NC 0260100
 Date/Time Reported: Friday 
 
Month Day Yr Time Hrs
11 13 2009 10:44:00 AM 10
#1
 Crime/Incident(s)
0510 -   Attempt
 Complete  At Found: Friday 
 Last Known Secure: Friday 
 
Month
11  Day
13  Yr
2009  Time
10:43:00 AM  Hrs
10  Month
11 Day
13 Yr
2009 Time
10:42:00 AM  Hrs
10 
#2 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Location of Incident
922 WASHINGTON DR
FAYETTEVILLE, NC  Offense Tract
8602-03 
#3 Crime/Incident(s)
  Attempt
 Complete  Premise Type
HOME OF VICTIM - SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING  Victim Residence Type
 Single Family
 Multi Family 
 How attacked or committed
LISTED SUSPECT AND A UNKNOWN SUSPECT KICKED IN THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN RAN WHEN HE SAW THE VICTIM  Forcible
 Yes
 N/A
 No Weapon/Tools
Crime #1: PERSONAL WEAPONS (HANDS, FEET, TEETH, ETC.) 
 # of Victims
1  Type:  Person  Business
 Society  Government
 Financial Institute  Religious
 L.E. Officer Line of Duty  Unknown  Injury  None  Minor  Loss of Teeth
 Broken Bones  Severe Lacerations
 Internal  Unconscious  Other Major  Drug/Alcohol Use:
 Yes  Unknown
 No  N/A 
V1 Victim Business Name (Last, First, Middle)
 AUTRY, APRIL   Victom of Crime #

0510
 DOB/Age
22  Race
B  Sex
F  Relationship to Offender

    Acquaintance
 Resident Status
 Resident
 Non-Resident
 Unknown 
Home Address

Apt #
,    Home Phone 
Employer Name/Address


,    Business Phone 
VYR  Make  Model  Style  Lic/Lis  VIN 
 STATUS           L-Lost      S-Stolen      R-Recovered      D-Damaged      Z-Seized      B-Burned      C-Counterfeit/Forged      F-Found
 (Check "OJ" column if recovered for other jurisdiction) 
 Victim # DCI Status Value OJ Qty Property Description Make/Model Serial Number
1  71  D  $500.00    1  FRONT DOOR TO RESIDENCE     
                 
Number of Vehicles Stolen:   Number of Vehicles Recovered:   
 
 Officer Name/ID#
TAYLOR, MATTHEW J  Officer Signature  Supervisor Signature 
 Complainant Signature  Case Status
Further Investigation
 Inactive
 Closed/Cleared
 Closed/Leads Exhausted  Case Disposition
 Unfounded  Juvenille/No Custody  Extradiction Declined
 Cleared by Arrest  Refuse to Cooperate
 Cleared by Arrest by Another Agency
 Death of Offender  Prosecution Declined 

http://police.ci.fayetteville.nc.us/print_report_page1.asp


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 18, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
yes... that is what I was looking for... thx fatcatlurker ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 18, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 18, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
Where are the pictures of that monster with little Shaniya in the motel?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Picture0003-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 10:44:49 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........

I know it's heartbreaking and I just want to pound that creep!  Way bad.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 18, 2009, 10:45:44 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........


I know!! I am haunted by these pictures, truly!

with that...have a good night all..talk with you in the morning...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 18, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........


I know!! I am haunted by these pictures, truly!

with that...have a good night all..talk with you in the morning...

Good night Cookie!  Shaniya is in a good place now with peace all around her.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Blumonkey on November 18, 2009, 10:49:19 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........

I feel the same way, CBB.  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 18, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........


I know!! I am haunted by these pictures, truly!

with that...have a good night all..talk with you in the morning...

Me too Cooike.. Good Night.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Shell on November 18, 2009, 10:50:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.


Not a day over 16......and she his baby mama.
well at least i feel a little better about the size 24 months jeans they found in his car... as shaniya was not a size 24 mos and i was starting to worry if there are other victims... for now i am guessing they are his daughter's his baby mama says there were no signs of molestation with their daughter...
although i guess it is possible that she could be lying for him...
there have been studies done and i don't have the link and i do not want to sound racist but non-reported molestation especially within family members is higher in the black community... not that it matters because she is a pos either way but the fact that the mothers family is standing up for her makes me wonder what went on in the mothers childhood that made her be a hooker and think it is okay for her 5 year old to be one

I have been trying for 15 min to reply without sounding racist, so I will not reply. Except to say, it might be higher in some communities, but it is disturbingly happening across the board.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 18, 2009, 10:50:40 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........


I know!! I am haunted by these pictures, truly!

with that...have a good night all..talk with you in the morning...

These pictures don't get easier to look at... actually harder to stomach every time.  That poor bably... so innocent and how oh how can someone do such horrible things.  It is just tearing me up and I can't get over this.  What we are doing with criminals isn't working.  We just keep putting them back on the streets to do harm to the public.  Why?  Our justice system isn't working!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Shell on November 18, 2009, 10:52:26 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........

I feel the same way, CBB.  ::MonkeyTears::
Just reading the words of it was disturbing enough, the pictures shatter my heart.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 18, 2009, 11:23:03 PM
Just saw this:

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953211


Police: Mom may have used girl to pay debt

Detectives are looking into allegations that Antoinette Davis used her 5-year-old daughter, Shaniya, to pay off a debt.

"That's an avenue of the investigation we're looking at," Fayetteville Police Chief Tom Bergamine said Wednesday.

He did not elaborate.

Davis and a Fayetteville man have been charged in Shaniya's disappearance. No new charges will be filed until authorities decide which law enforcement agency has jurisdiction.

Investigators have yet to say how Shaniya died. The results of an autopsy have not been released.

Shaniya's body was found Monday afternoon off Walker Road in Lee County, just south of the Carolina Trace community. It ended a weeklong search for the child.

Her mother reported her missing at 6:53 a.m. on Nov. 10 from her residence in the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park in Fayetteville. Shaniya was last seen alive on surveillance video from the Comfort Suites hotel in Sanford. The footage was time stamped 6:11 a.m.

She was with a man police have identified as 29-year-old Mario Andrette McNeill. He is charged with first-degree kidnapping.

Antoinette Davis told police she last saw the girl about 5:30 a.m. that day.

She is charged with human trafficking, child abuse involving prostitution, filing a false police report and obstructing an investigation.

Investigators have declined to say what prompted the trafficking charge, an offense that has rarely been filed in Cumberland County.

"It's a highly unusual charge," Sgt. John Somerindyke said.

But it goes hand-in-hand with the child abuse involving prostitution offense, he said.

The state's human trafficking law says anyone who "knowingly recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, or obtains by any means another person with the intent that the other person be held in involuntary servitude or sexual servitude" can be charged with that offense.

Davis' arrest warrant alleged she allowed McNeill to take the girl "with the intent that she be held in sexual servitude."

Bergamine held a media briefing Wednesday morning at which he offered no new information.

"This is a very complex case and an ongoing investigation between multiple law enforcement agencies," Bergamine said. "Some details will have an impact that will determine jurisdiction."

If Shaniya died in Lee County, that investigation could be claimed by the Lee County Sheriff's Office or the Sanford Police Department.

City police have laid claim to the death investigation since the chain of events began, saying Shaniya's death was the result of closely timed criminal actions starting in Fayetteville.

Prosecutors from Lee and Cumberland counties met Wednesday to discuss the venue for the case.

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis said his staff has been meeting mornings and afternoons to get updates on the case from the Police Department and the State Bureau of Investigation.

"We're awaiting issues involving laboratory work from the investigation," Grannis said.

Wednesday's police briefing ended abruptly after a reporter asked Bergamine whether the criminal justice system had worked in this case.

Court records show that McNeill, who has a criminal record and previous probation violations, had his probation terminated less than three weeks before Shaniya disappeared.

"Let me say that the city of Fayetteville has had a couple of horrific events over the past couple of weeks," Bergamine said, referring to the murder-suicide deaths of prominent businessman Billy Maxwell, his wife and two children.

"These are issues that police, the criminal justice system and the community must address,'' he said.

Bergamine left when asked if Shaniya's kidnapping and death could have been prevented.

Shaniya will be remembered today during a prayer service at the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park off Murchison Road, where she stayed with her mother. Residents have scheduled the service for 7 p.m.

Residents will meet at 1202 Sleepy Hollow Drive, which is across the street from the Davis home.

Staff writer Nick Needham contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Shell on November 19, 2009, 01:02:51 AM

One more thought, and this might have been brought up already. Why does the child look so passive in the reflection? If a strange man picked up my 5 year old, I doubt they would not be kicking and screaming. Does anyone think the child might have been drugged?

Poor baby, God rest her soul.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Louisiana5487 on November 19, 2009, 01:15:29 AM
This is from the Fayetteville ******* Re: McNeil's record

Published: 11:06 PM, Tue Nov 17, 2009
Probation ended early for suspect in Shaniya Davis case By Greg Barnes
Staff writer

 Three weeks before Shaniya Davis disappeared, the Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping her was allowed to end his supervised probation six months early.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, was on unsupervised probation when police say he kidnapped 5-year-old Shaniya on Nov. 10, according to Cumberland County court records.

At 6:11 that morning, video surveillance at the Comfort Suites in Sanford captured a man police identified as McNeill carrying Shaniya into the motel.

Shaniya's body was found Monday in woods off a rural road south of Sanford.

McNeill appears to have been treated with leniency for years by an overburdened court system.

On June 17, 2001, court documents show, McNeill shot Roland Lee Mays in the face, neck, shoulder, chest and stomach. The records indicate that McNeill injured two other people that day, as well. He was charged with multiple counts of assault inflicting serious bodily injury.

A year later, apparently while awaiting trial in the shootings, McNeill was charged with possessing marijuana and trying to manufacture and sell it.

The charges from the two cases were consolidated, records show, and McNeill was allowed to plead guilty to lesser counts. He was sentenced to 40 to 50 months of supervised probation in June 2003, the records show.

Two months later, in August 2003, McNeill violated terms of his probation by failing to notify probation officers of his whereabouts. He was sent to prison. Records show that he entered the prison system in October 2003 and was released in May 2006.

It didn't take long for McNeill to get into trouble again. Three months after his release, records show, McNeill was charged with possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use.

The records show that McNeill pleaded guilty to reduced charges - a misdemeanor offense of maintaining a vehicle for drug use - and again was placed on supervised probation, on Jan. 1, 2007.

As part of the plea deal, District Court Judge Kim Tucker told McNeill that he could go on unsupervised probation if he tested negative for drugs three consecutive times, records show.

While still on supervised probation, McNeill was charged in April 2007 with possessing cocaine, records show. He was charged again in September 2007 - this time with hitting Fayetteville police officer R. Grimm with his vehicle while trying to flee from the corner of Bragg Boulevard and Ames Street. Records indicate Grimm was injured, but they don't say how badly. McNeill was charged that day with trying to elude arrest, reckless driving and assault on a government official.

Two months later - on Nov. 30, 2007 - Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson allowed McNeill's probation status to be changed from supervised to unsupervised, records show.

Wayne Marshburn, who oversees the probation office in Cumberland County, said he had not fully reviewed McNeill's probation documents.

But Marshburn said people who behave while on probation typically serve only about half of their term.

McNeill was six months shy of 24 months on supervised probation when a judge agreed to place him on unsupervised probation. It's unclear from the records which judge made that decision.

"He had done well on probation," Marshburn said. "He had done everything he needed to do."

In many cases, Marshburn said, probation officers make recommendations to the court on whether someone's probation should be terminated.

But in 2007, he said, his office wasn't always notified when a person on probation had been charged with another crime.

That is much less likely to happen now, Marshburn said, in part because of the slaying of UNC student president Eve Carson in March 2008.

Since then, the state's probation department has come under intense scrutiny because one of the men accused of Carson's murder should have gone before a judge on a probation violation months before she was shot to death.

Laws that go into effect in December will further address problems with the state's parole and probation system, Marshburn said.

He called Shaniya's death a horrible tragedy, but he said there is no guarantee that she would still be alive today had McNeill remained on supervised probation.

"Hindsight is always very clear," he said. "People do bad things while being supervised. That provides solace to nobody. That's not what I would want to hear. But it's a fact.

"The bottom line, I still am satisfied with how our office handled the case."

Staff writer Greg Barnes can be reached at barnesg@fayobserver.com or 486-3525.
Get your complete news report daily in The Fayetteville *******:

very interesting, Magnolia. Eve Carson was a friend of mine - her birthday is tomorrow so please everyone think of her and her family during this time.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Louisiana5487 on November 19, 2009, 01:17:37 AM

One more thought, and this might have been brought up already. Why does the child look so passive in the reflection? If a strange man picked up my 5 year old, I doubt they would not be kicking and screaming. Does anyone think the child might have been drugged?

Poor baby, God rest her soul.

Ugh :( I was thinking the exact same thing...poor little girl...they must have drugged her for her to be that calm...I almost hope she was drugged so that she never felt any pain. All parties involved in hurting this little girl deserve the WORST.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tina Bee on November 19, 2009, 03:34:17 AM

One more thought, and this might have been brought up already. Why does the child look so passive in the reflection? If a strange man picked up my 5 year old, I doubt they would not be kicking and screaming. Does anyone think the child might have been drugged?

Poor baby, God rest her soul.

I don't think she was drugged. I think she had just woken up and was probably groggy, but not shocked. At that point nothing was happening to her other than some man was carrying her. It's possible she'd seen him before and he probably talked to her prior to the hotel.

Not all kids are screamers.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Mary on November 19, 2009, 04:24:09 AM
Since Fayetteville is satified with the way they have handled MM, that the way he
has walked on everything, I have never heard of getting probation for shooting
someone, plus everything else he has got probation for. They are debating what county to charge him in???? I thought what they were doing to a baby was a Federal offence. Settle it boys, let the FBI take over and charge them in federal
court. THAT SHOULD TAKE THE GRIN OFF MM'S FACE!!!!!!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: 4getUnot on November 19, 2009, 04:38:57 AM
Just saw this:

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953211


Police: Mom may have used girl to pay debt

Detectives are looking into allegations that Antoinette Davis used her 5-year-old daughter, Shaniya, to pay off a debt.

"That's an avenue of the investigation we're looking at," Fayetteville Police Chief Tom Bergamine said Wednesday.

He did not elaborate.

Davis and a Fayetteville man have been charged in Shaniya's disappearance. No new charges will be filed until authorities decide which law enforcement agency has jurisdiction.

Investigators have yet to say how Shaniya died. The results of an autopsy have not been released.

Shaniya's body was found Monday afternoon off Walker Road in Lee County, just south of the Carolina Trace community. It ended a weeklong search for the child.

Her mother reported her missing at 6:53 a.m. on Nov. 10 from her residence in the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park in Fayetteville. Shaniya was last seen alive on surveillance video from the Comfort Suites hotel in Sanford. The footage was time stamped 6:11 a.m.

She was with a man police have identified as 29-year-old Mario Andrette McNeil. He is charged with first-degree kidnapping.

Antoinette Davis told police she last saw the girl about 5:30 a.m. that day.

She is charged with human trafficking, child abuse involving prostitution, filing a false police report and obstructing an investigation.

Investigators have declined to say what prompted the trafficking charge, an offense that has rarely been filed in Cumberland County.

"It's a highly unusual charge," Sgt. John Somerindyke said.

But it goes hand-in-hand with the child abuse involving prostitution offense, he said.

The state's human trafficking law says anyone who "knowingly recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, or obtains by any means another person with the intent that the other person be held in involuntary servitude or sexual servitude" can be charged with that offense.

Davis' arrest warrant alleged she allowed McNeil to take the girl "with the intent that she be held in sexual servitude."

Bergamine held a media briefing Wednesday morning at which he offered no new information.

"This is a very complex case and an ongoing investigation between multiple law enforcement agencies," Bergamine said. "Some details will have an impact that will determine jurisdiction."

If Shaniya died in Lee County, that investigation could be claimed by the Lee County Sheriff's Office or the Sanford Police Department.

City police have laid claim to the death investigation since the chain of events began, saying Shaniya's death was the result of closely timed criminal actions starting in Fayetteville.

Prosecutors from Lee and Cumberland counties met Wednesday to discuss the venue for the case.

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis said his staff has been meeting mornings and afternoons to get updates on the case from the Police Department and the State Bureau of Investigation.

"We're awaiting issues involving laboratory work from the investigation," Grannis said.

Wednesday's police briefing ended abruptly after a reporter asked Bergamine whether the criminal justice system had worked in this case.

Court records show that McNeil, who has a criminal record and previous probation violations, had his probation terminated less than three weeks before Shaniya disappeared.

"Let me say that the city of Fayetteville has had a couple of horrific events over the past couple of weeks," Bergamine said, referring to the murder-suicide deaths of prominent businessman Billy Maxwell, his wife and two children.

"These are issues that police, the criminal justice system and the community must address,'' he said.

Bergamine left when asked if Shaniya's kidnapping and death could have been prevented.

Shaniya will be remembered today during a prayer service at the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park off Murchison Road, where she stayed with her mother. Residents have scheduled the service for 7 p.m.

Residents will meet at 1202 Sleepy Hollow Drive, which is across the street from the Davis home.

Staff writer Nick Needham contributed to this report.


Fayetteville Police Chief Bergamine must have been hurt very deeply when asked by the reporter if he thought Shaniya's kidnapping and death could have been prevented.  I believe he had addressed that question in his statement just prior to the reporter's question.  His department and countless others worked tirelessly as we have all witnessed to try to find Shaniya before it was too late, but sadly that was not the outcome.  Now as we wait for information they are doing their very best to cover all the bases so that justice will be served.  Then like us they have to wait to see what the court decides.  They have to wait to see if they are going to have to go out and face these monsters in the streets again.  I don't believe the problem lies with law enforcement. In the case of McNeil , as in many cases,  LE has gone out to face these monsters, the same ones in the streets over and over again.  They deal with them daily.  They see the lives that are destroyed and the trail of blood and tears these monsters leave behind.  Yet when these cases get to court the monsters have been cleaned up and are in chains surrounded by officers and don't look much like monsters anymore.  IMO it is there in the courtroom where justice is not being served.  The penalties are not fitting the crimes and probation is a joke.  Our phone calls and petitions seem to be getting nowhere while our society becomes more dangerous, not only to our children, but for all of us as well.

Thank you Monkeys for letting me get this off my chest. 

 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 07:29:28 AM
Since Fayetteville is satified with the way they have handled MM, that the way he
has walked on everything, I have never heard of getting probation for shooting
someone, plus everything else he has got probation for. They are debating what county to charge him in???? I thought what they were doing to a baby was a Federal offence. Settle it boys, let the FBI take over and charge them in federal
court. THAT SHOULD TAKE THE GRIN OFF MM'S FACE!!!!!!

Hi Mary...good morning all monkeys...

they most certainly need to settle this and get on with the charges so that the bail/bond on these 2 waste of air parasites will get raised! right now as stated on NG show last night, all the bio Ho needs is $5,000 to get out and the other parasite only needs $10,000 I believe...they could bond out while the LE are trying to decide which county is going to prosecute them! outrageous that the bond is that low for what these 2 scum bags did to that poor baby..
anyone who could do this horrendous thing to a child has no heart! I don't want them out to harm anyone else, ever!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 07:38:53 AM

One more thought, and this might have been brought up already. Why does the child look so passive in the reflection? If a strange man picked up my 5 year old, I doubt they would not be kicking and screaming. Does anyone think the child might have been drugged?

Poor baby, God rest her soul.

Ugh :( I was thinking the exact same thing...poor little girl...they must have drugged her for her to be that calm...I almost hope she was drugged so that she never felt any pain. All parties involved in hurting this little girl deserve the WORST.


Shell, My answer is yes, I do think she was drugged in some fashion. The child seemed to have that dazed look and don't think it was from lack of sleep.

OT

I read where Feces were on the railing and doorknob, plus, backporch or frontporch, tub.
Shell, any idea how Feces got on the doorknobs if this is correct, railing, too?  I can't understand Feces on the railing or doorknob.
Feces anywhere is unimaginable, why did they have a cat litter box for theirselves?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=002-8.flv

Here is the video.  Now the stuff comes out.
Thank-you

No Rose,

I don't believe the video, my "guess" is there was a dispute over his daughters will, this is my theory, why the father-in-law has come out with this garbage...follow the money. If any of this was true these people need to be in jail for not reporting this to DCF or not taking photos. 


Brad said Shaniya had an ailment my cousin had the same ailment on her insides of the arms and back of the legs your needed I think Calamine lotion. The corner of the eye burn?  These people should have called the cops for a visit to stupid Antonette, how could they not if it was true?  My opinion.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: bananas on November 19, 2009, 08:30:55 AM

One more thought, and this might have been brought up already. Why does the child look so passive in the reflection? If a strange man picked up my 5 year old, I doubt they would not be kicking and screaming. Does anyone think the child might have been drugged?

Poor baby, God rest her soul.

Or worse yet... she knew him and trusted him.... yuk...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 09:39:54 AM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 19, 2009, 09:40:10 AM
This is from the Fayetteville ******* Re: McNeil's record

Published: 11:06 PM, Tue Nov 17, 2009
Probation ended early for suspect in Shaniya Davis case By Greg Barnes
Staff writer

 Three weeks before Shaniya Davis disappeared, the Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping her was allowed to end his supervised probation six months early.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, was on unsupervised probation when police say he kidnapped 5-year-old Shaniya on Nov. 10, according to Cumberland County court records.

At 6:11 that morning, video surveillance at the Comfort Suites in Sanford captured a man police identified as McNeill carrying Shaniya into the motel.

Shaniya's body was found Monday in woods off a rural road south of Sanford.

McNeill appears to have been treated with leniency for years by an overburdened court system.

On June 17, 2001, court documents show, McNeill shot Roland Lee Mays in the face, neck, shoulder, chest and stomach. The records indicate that McNeill injured two other people that day, as well. He was charged with multiple counts of assault inflicting serious bodily injury.

A year later, apparently while awaiting trial in the shootings, McNeill was charged with possessing marijuana and trying to manufacture and sell it.

The charges from the two cases were consolidated, records show, and McNeill was allowed to plead guilty to lesser counts. He was sentenced to 40 to 50 months of supervised probation in June 2003, the records show.

Two months later, in August 2003, McNeill violated terms of his probation by failing to notify probation officers of his whereabouts. He was sent to prison. Records show that he entered the prison system in October 2003 and was released in May 2006.

It didn't take long for McNeill to get into trouble again. Three months after his release, records show, McNeill was charged with possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use.

The records show that McNeill pleaded guilty to reduced charges - a misdemeanor offense of maintaining a vehicle for drug use - and again was placed on supervised probation, on Jan. 1, 2007.

As part of the plea deal, District Court Judge Kim Tucker told McNeill that he could go on unsupervised probation if he tested negative for drugs three consecutive times, records show.

While still on supervised probation, McNeill was charged in April 2007 with possessing cocaine, records show. He was charged again in September 2007 - this time with hitting Fayetteville police officer R. Grimm with his vehicle while trying to flee from the corner of Bragg Boulevard and Ames Street. Records indicate Grimm was injured, but they don't say how badly. McNeill was charged that day with trying to elude arrest, reckless driving and assault on a government official.

Two months later - on Nov. 30, 2007 - Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson allowed McNeill's probation status to be changed from supervised to unsupervised, records show.

Wayne Marshburn, who oversees the probation office in Cumberland County, said he had not fully reviewed McNeill's probation documents.

But Marshburn said people who behave while on probation typically serve only about half of their term.

McNeill was six months shy of 24 months on supervised probation when a judge agreed to place him on unsupervised probation. It's unclear from the records which judge made that decision.

"He had done well on probation," Marshburn said. "He had done everything he needed to do."

In many cases, Marshburn said, probation officers make recommendations to the court on whether someone's probation should be terminated.

But in 2007, he said, his office wasn't always notified when a person on probation had been charged with another crime.

That is much less likely to happen now, Marshburn said, in part because of the slaying of UNC student president Eve Carson in March 2008.

Since then, the state's probation department has come under intense scrutiny because one of the men accused of Carson's murder should have gone before a judge on a probation violation months before she was shot to death.

Laws that go into effect in December will further address problems with the state's parole and probation system, Marshburn said.

He called Shaniya's death a horrible tragedy, but he said there is no guarantee that she would still be alive today had McNeill remained on supervised probation.

"Hindsight is always very clear," he said. "People do bad things while being supervised. That provides solace to nobody. That's not what I would want to hear. But it's a fact.

"The bottom line, I still am satisfied with how our office handled the case."

Staff writer Greg Barnes can be reached at barnesg@fayobserver.com or 486-3525.
Get your complete news report daily in The Fayetteville *******:

very interesting, Magnolia. Eve Carson was a friend of mine - her birthday is tomorrow so please everyone think of her and her family during this time.

hugs to you, Louisiana.

Eve was a beautiful girl with a bright and shining future.  An absolute travesty that she was taken from this earth.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: jill on November 19, 2009, 09:41:53 AM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.

if she was actually diagnosed with excema, there would be medical records, I would think.

also, my .02 about the probation system in that area:  are they idiots??  Lord in heaven.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 09:42:09 AM
bananas don't feel bad i can't either....
i was just posting the same
PENNY, I saw the shoes too, and possibly some thigh high stockings in the middle picture.
We had a debate about it the other night. Magnolia and I were about the only ones that saw them, the rest said they couldn't even with the magnifyer. I believe personally that the middle picture was the going in pic, and the barefoot ones were the going out, but not everyone agrees with me. JMO


I saw shoes as well...

I might add I brought the shoes up and noticed them...
yup and i concur... except i don't think they are silver slip ons i think they are clear plastic jelly shoes with a criss cross netting design and that is why people can still see her toes.... and they are not the pigmentation of her skin if you look at the pic it is too high up her foot for that... i realize that the sides of her feet are lighter due to her race but this marking is too straight and is about a quarter of the way across the top of her foot not just the side... don't know if you answered already but what do you think the thing half way down her thigh is .. i know a poster thinks thigh high stockings but i disagree i think more like stretch shorts... not trying to be graphic but we all know that she is in front of an elevatot on the 3rd floor and the button to go down is pressed... this is definitely them leaving the third floor to return to a lower floor... (LE said they have not released the pics of them leaving that could mean the parking lot pics because they are clearly exiting the 3rd floor in the middle pic) If we assume and i think it is a safe assumption that she was raped/molested then there would most likely be bleeding i think that is why she has on whatever theis undergarment is and why it seems that he is staring at her crotch


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 09:46:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCU620xZwI

This is April Autry - MAM's girlfriend, how old is she 15?  Probably not but she sure looks it.


Not a day over 16......and she his baby mama.
well at least i feel a little better about the size 24 months jeans they found in his car... as shaniya was not a size 24 mos and i was starting to worry if there are other victims... for now i am guessing they are his daughter's his baby mama says there were no signs of molestation with their daughter...
although i guess it is possible that she could be lying for him...
there have been studies done and i don't have the link and i do not want to sound racist but non-reported molestation especially within family members is higher in the black community... not that it matters because she is a pos either way but the fact that the mothers family is standing up for her makes me wonder what went on in the mothers childhood that made her be a hooker and think it is okay for her 5 year old to be one

I have been trying for 15 min to reply without sounding racist, so I will not reply. Except to say, it might be higher in some communities, but it is disturbingly happening across the board.
yeah i didn't know whether i should post that but studies have been done and iirc oprah even talked on the issue that inner family molestation and turning a blind eye to it is alarmingly higher in the african community... it definitely does happen across the board tho


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 19, 2009, 10:01:15 AM
I just dont understand why some people are coming out now and saying all this stuff about what a bad idea it was for the Father to leave Shaniya with her Mother? 
 
 If they all knew this before then why didnt they do something then, before this harm came to her, I know some are gonna use the same argument that no one had custody and this was her Mother , but come on, would you let that stop you if if you thought for one minute that something bad was gonna happen, I wouldnt, do you actually think if someone had went over there to that trailer and asked to see Shaniya and the Mother said no......then you say ok,,,,,Ill just call the Police and wait right here for them to get her, then what, I can bet you that the Mother didnt want any cops around,

 What Im trying to say is.......if all these people were so concerned why did they do nothing, why come out now and talk about it , its not only the father that made mistakes it eveyone of them to, I say if your own doorstep is dirty, dont throw mud on someone elses.......IMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 10:07:25 AM
Since Fayetteville is satified with the way they have handled MM, that the way he
has walked on everything, I have never heard of getting probation for shooting
someone, plus everything else he has got probation for. They are debating what county to charge him in???? I thought what they were doing to a baby was a Federal offence. Settle it boys, let the FBI take over and charge them in federal
court. THAT SHOULD TAKE THE GRIN OFF MM'S FACE!!!!!!

Hi Mary...good morning all monkeys...

they most certainly need to settle this and get on with the charges so that the bail/bond on these 2 waste of air parasites will get raised! right now as stated on NG show last night, all the bio Ho needs is $5,000 to get out and the other parasite only needs $10,000 I believe...they could bond out while the LE are trying to decide which county is going to prosecute them! outrageous that the bond is that low for what these 2 scum bags did to that poor baby..
anyone who could do this horrendous thing to a child has no heart! I don't want them out to harm anyone else, ever!

I agree.  I have worried all along that the bond was so low.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.
OMG I can offer valid info for this!!!
Last winter I noticed that where my knee high leather boots come up to (right below my knee) and on the back of my leg a perfectly round patch of dry skin on both legs... at first I figured it was just irritated from my boots or something so I blew it off then one day I actually looked at it in the mirror and noticed it was perfectly round ring and I freaked out because I thought OMG I have ring worm (didn't really know what it was but knew it caused rings under the skin) so I went to my doctor and she said it was probably eczema def not ring worm and to use eucerine cream...
also when I was a teenager i had some sort of random skin bacteria/fungus that caused me to have pure white perfect circles the size of a pencil eraser on my upper arms... it was weird and the doctor told me to treat it with get this head and shoulders shampoo and it went away...
the leg circles looked like cigar burns and the arm thing could have passed as chic pox or cig burn scars... just saying it is not that unprobable that this could be true about the eczema and unless it is sever they do not prescribe actual medication...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 10:28:15 AM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=002-8.flv

Here is the video.  Now the stuff comes out.
Thank-you

No Rose,

I don't believe the video, my "guess" is there was a dispute over his daughters will, this is my theory, why the father-in-law has come out with this garbage...follow the money. If any of this was true these people need to be in jail for not reporting this to DCF or not taking photos. 


Brad said Shaniya had an ailment my cousin had the same ailment on her insides of the arms and back of the legs your needed I think Calamine lotion. The corner of the eye burn?  These people should have called the cops for a visit to stupid Antonette, how could they not if it was true?  My opinion.
one time my mother who is not allowed to smoke around my kids was babysitting and my kid who was i think 4 at the time was taking a nap and woke up... my mom was on the porch smoking and my kid thought it would be good to sneak up and scare her... my mother was sitting in a chair and had her cigg in her hand at the height of the chair armrest... my kid turned the corner crouched down a little and walked right into the cig as my mother was returning her arm to the armrest after taking a drag so it kind of came at her with force and it basicly got put out on her face... right above the outer edge of her eyebrow... when my friends asked my kid what happened she said nonny burned me with her ciggarette... my friends knew that my mother would never intentionally do that so it was no big deal but if you asked my kid where she got it that would be her response... just saying not making excuses but just saying and i believe the eczema round patch thing because i have that


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 10:33:47 AM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.

if she was actually diagnosed with excema, there would be medical records, I would think.

also, my .02 about the probation system in that area:  are they idiots??  Lord in heaven.
my opinion about the probation....
in some areas like mine the prisons are way too overcrowded and filled with a bunch of cry babies that expect top notch med treatment education opportunities etc. also when you are on probation you usually have monthly probation fees... quite possibly the court system is more interested in collecting fees rather then paying for room and board...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: allalone on November 19, 2009, 10:38:50 AM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.
OMG I can offer valid info for this!!!
Last winter I noticed that where my knee high leather boots come up to (right below my knee) and on the back of my leg a perfectly round patch of dry skin on both legs... at first I figured it was just irritated from my boots or something so I blew it off then one day I actually looked at it in the mirror and noticed it was perfectly round ring and I freaked out because I thought OMG I have ring worm (didn't really know what it was but knew it caused rings under the skin) so I went to my doctor and she said it was probably eczema def not ring worm and to use eucerine cream...
also when I was a teenager i had some sort of random skin bacteria/fungus that caused me to have pure white perfect circles the size of a pencil eraser on my upper arms... it was weird and the doctor told me to treat it with get this head and shoulders shampoo and it went away...
the leg circles looked like cigar burns and the arm thing could have passed as chic pox or cig burn scars... just saying it is not that unprobable that this could be true about the eczema and unless it is sever they do not prescribe actual medication...

I would also like to add that when my son was about 2 1/2 or 3 one morning after waking up I was taking off his pj's, you know the kind that the shirt snaps to the bottoms at the waist well he had perfectly round sores that could have passed as cig burns. I took him right away to the Dr and it was discovered that he suddenly became allergic to the metal in the snaps. After that, I had to always cover any snap or metal button that touched his skin. During this time he also had eczema so I can def see where Shaniya could have had eczema and people thought they were burns....imo


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: N2WISHN on November 19, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
I just dont understand why some people are coming out now and saying all this stuff about what a bad idea it was for the Father to leave Shaniya with her Mother? 
 
 If they all knew this before then why didnt they do something then, before this harm came to her, I know some are gonna use the same argument that no one had custody and this was her Mother , but come on, would you let that stop you if if you thought for one minute that something bad was gonna happen, I wouldnt, do you actually think if someone had went over there to that trailer and asked to see Shaniya and the Mother said no......then you say ok,,,,,Ill just call the Police and wait right here for them to get her, then what, I can bet you that the Mother didnt want any cops around,

 What Im trying to say is.......if all these people were so concerned why did they do nothing, why come out now and talk about it , its not only the father that made mistakes it eveyone of them to, I say if your own doorstep is dirty, dont throw mud on someone elses.......IMO



I can’t explain why but I tend to believe those saying that they warned the father not to send Shaniya to live with the monster. Could they have done more? Possibly, but for whatever reasons, they didn’t. However, listening to the words of the father and then also to the son when he was on NG made things a little more clear. The son compared Antoinette to a felon that had done his time and was now being given a second chance……Is it possible that it is really that simple and that is why the precious baby was allowed to live with the mom? Maybe the father really thought she had changed and was getting her life together or he just wanted a break from the responsibility of his child. Granted, he should have checked things out more thoroughly and not given his trust so freely because it is a mistake he will have to live with and take responsibility for the rest of his life. Would I have given her a second chance, no way.  In my eyes he failed in his judgement and his child paid the ultimate price. Another thing also bothers me, and I hope I’m wrong…..but what if the mom really put the pressure on the dad because she had plans to make money off her daughter….no telling what lies were told in order for her to get possession of Shaniya. ……many people let Shaniya down and failed to protect her. May she rest in peace.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 10:43:35 AM
discoid or nummular eczema both cause small round red scabby patches


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 10:47:21 AM
And maybe the autopsy has revealed whether the marks are burns or not.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gizzie on November 19, 2009, 10:47:31 AM
Question. Since AD has a bail, and she hasn't been charged with the murder, what could LE do to prevent her from being bonded out, and running? Anything?

I didn't see an answer, so thought I'd ask again. Not that I think she could actually come up with the money needed, but I am curious of the possibility. TIA


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 10:49:29 AM
Question. Since AD has a bail, and she hasn't been charged with the murder, what could LE do to prevent her from being bonded out, and running? Anything?

I didn't see an answer, so thought I'd ask again. Not that I think she could actually come up with the money needed, but I am curious of the possibility. TIA
I don't think they could do too much if she was able to bail out, maybe family is putting money together to bail her out, but that is a lot of money when you don't have much, so hopefully they won't be able to bail her out.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: FishstickKitty on November 19, 2009, 10:49:42 AM
If she has 2 brain cells she should just stay in jail...for her own safety at this point.

Question. Since AD has a bail, and she hasn't been charged with the murder, what could LE do to prevent her from being bonded out, and running? Anything?

I didn't see an answer, so thought I'd ask again. Not that I think she could actually come up with the money needed, but I am curious of the possibility. TIA


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 10:58:58 AM
i think everyone regardless of their crime if it is something that you could face actual jail time for should be gps 'ed if bailed out... screw the innocent until proven guilty bs not saying that they should be on house arrest or not allowed to travel as normal just saying we should know where they are in case they try to jump bail


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
This is from the Fayetteville ******* Re: McNeil's record

Published: 11:06 PM, Tue Nov 17, 2009
Probation ended early for suspect in Shaniya Davis case By Greg Barnes
Staff writer

 Three weeks before Shaniya Davis disappeared, the Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping her was allowed to end his supervised probation six months early.

Mario Andrette McNeill, 29, was on unsupervised probation when police say he kidnapped 5-year-old Shaniya on Nov. 10, according to Cumberland County court records.

At 6:11 that morning, video surveillance at the Comfort Suites in Sanford captured a man police identified as McNeill carrying Shaniya into the motel.

Shaniya's body was found Monday in woods off a rural road south of Sanford.

McNeill appears to have been treated with leniency for years by an overburdened court system.

On June 17, 2001, court documents show, McNeill shot Roland Lee Mays in the face, neck, shoulder, chest and stomach. The records indicate that McNeill injured two other people that day, as well. He was charged with multiple counts of assault inflicting serious bodily injury.

A year later, apparently while awaiting trial in the shootings, McNeill was charged with possessing marijuana and trying to manufacture and sell it.

The charges from the two cases were consolidated, records show, and McNeill was allowed to plead guilty to lesser counts. He was sentenced to 40 to 50 months of supervised probation in June 2003, the records show.

Two months later, in August 2003, McNeill violated terms of his probation by failing to notify probation officers of his whereabouts. He was sent to prison. Records show that he entered the prison system in October 2003 and was released in May 2006.

It didn't take long for McNeill to get into trouble again. Three months after his release, records show, McNeill was charged with possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use.

The records show that McNeill pleaded guilty to reduced charges - a misdemeanor offense of maintaining a vehicle for drug use - and again was placed on supervised probation, on Jan. 1, 2007.

As part of the plea deal, District Court Judge Kim Tucker told McNeill that he could go on unsupervised probation if he tested negative for drugs three consecutive times, records show.

While still on supervised probation, McNeill was charged in April 2007 with possessing cocaine, records show. He was charged again in September 2007 - this time with hitting Fayetteville police officer R. Grimm with his vehicle while trying to flee from the corner of Bragg Boulevard and Ames Street. Records indicate Grimm was injured, but they don't say how badly. McNeill was charged that day with trying to elude arrest, reckless driving and assault on a government official.

Two months later - on Nov. 30, 2007 - Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson allowed McNeill's probation status to be changed from supervised to unsupervised, records show.

Wayne Marshburn, who oversees the probation office in Cumberland County, said he had not fully reviewed McNeill's probation documents.

But Marshburn said people who behave while on probation typically serve only about half of their term.

McNeill was six months shy of 24 months on supervised probation when a judge agreed to place him on unsupervised probation. It's unclear from the records which judge made that decision.

"He had done well on probation," Marshburn said. "He had done everything he needed to do."

In many cases, Marshburn said, probation officers make recommendations to the court on whether someone's probation should be terminated.

But in 2007, he said, his office wasn't always notified when a person on probation had been charged with another crime.

That is much less likely to happen now, Marshburn said, in part because of the slaying of UNC student president Eve Carson in March 2008.

Since then, the state's probation department has come under intense scrutiny because one of the men accused of Carson's murder should have gone before a judge on a probation violation months before she was shot to death.

Laws that go into effect in December will further address problems with the state's parole and probation system, Marshburn said.

He called Shaniya's death a horrible tragedy, but he said there is no guarantee that she would still be alive today had McNeill remained on supervised probation.

"Hindsight is always very clear," he said. "People do bad things while being supervised. That provides solace to nobody. That's not what I would want to hear. But it's a fact.

"The bottom line, I still am satisfied with how our office handled the case."

Staff writer Greg Barnes can be reached at barnesg@fayobserver.com or 486-3525.
Get your complete news report daily in The Fayetteville *******:

very interesting, Magnolia. Eve Carson was a friend of mine - her birthday is tomorrow so please everyone think of her and her family during this time.

I am sorry for your loss, Louisiana.  God bless Eve on her birthday and everyday.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gizzie on November 19, 2009, 11:03:22 AM
Question. Since AD has a bail, and she hasn't been charged with the murder, what could LE do to prevent her from being bonded out, and running? Anything?

I didn't see an answer, so thought I'd ask again. Not that I think she could actually come up with the money needed, but I am curious of the possibility. TIA
I don't think they could do too much if she was able to bail out, maybe family is putting money together to bail her out, but that is a lot of money when you don't have much, so hopefully they won't be able to bail her out.

Yea, I don't think so either. Was just kinda curious, I guess. I think she would only need $5000.00, plus some property? But it doesn't even look like they would have that much in property anyway. In my mind, there's always the what if's. Just thinking to myself if there is something bigger, and someone wouldn't want her to talk, ......

And FSK, you're right, she'd be safer in jail. Someone will get to her, in time. Thanks for answering!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Gizzie on November 19, 2009, 11:04:13 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!

Me either! Let her rot for all I care!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 11:04:45 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!

I believe that if her family intended to bail her out they would have done so.  They can put up the
deed to a house....assuming one of them has a house that isn't mobile.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
if my theory about bio moms childhood is right then they will try to get her out before she spills the beans about who molested/raped her... she will get a defense team because this is so heinous that her trial will make for good tv ratings and she will get a pro bono lawyer... her past childhood traumas will come out and there is no statute of limits on child abuse... if they get her out it is only to shut her up... there is no way that her family didn't know what a scumbag mm was


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 11:13:15 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!
I would and the punishment i would give them  myself would involve phirranna's raw hamburg and 3 orrifices between the 2 of them... just saying


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 11:15:44 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!

I believe that if her family intended to bail her out they would have done so.  They can put up the
deed to a house....assuming one of them has a house that isn't mobile.
not always ... in order to do that you have to go thru a bail bonds men and not all areas have them and even if they do have one in the area it is at the discretion of the bail man to except your collateral ... how much is a crappy trailer overflowing with sewerage even worth anyways.... not much


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!
I would and the punishment i would give them  myself would involve phirranna's raw hamburg and 3 orrifices between the 2 of them... just saying

there ya go! good thought! this is one woman that I would enjoy seeing being publicly stoned!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 11:18:21 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!
I would and the punishment i would give them  myself would involve phirranna's raw hamburg and 3 orrifices between the 2 of them... just saying

there ya go! good thought! this is one woman that I would enjoy seeing being publicly stoned!

to clarify,,,stoned not in drugs...stoned as in rock throwing... boulders to be exact!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!  ::HelloKitty::

This case seems to have inspired the creativity in some of us!   ::MonkeyRoll::

I'm with you! I must admit that the hamburger scenario takes first place in my book!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 11:34:16 AM
If the bio hag was related to me and did this to her child, I wouldn't bail her out of jail even if I had a get out of jail free card!
I would and the punishment i would give them  myself would involve phirranna's raw hamburg and 3 orrifices between the 2 of them... just saying

there ya go! good thought! this is one woman that I would enjoy seeing being publicly stoned!

to clarify,,,stoned not in drugs...stoned as in rock throwing... boulders to be exact!

Ohhhh, just saw this, Cookie! Boulders are good, too!  :smt045


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 19, 2009, 11:43:58 AM
Just had a comment about the eczema. My kids both had eczema has babies in the cold weather especially. I guess it is possible that it could have been mistaken. I am just curious though, why did the girl say that it was something that her grandma did?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 11:45:18 AM
discoid or nummular eczema both cause small round red scabby patches

Thanks Penny, it was Eczema (I believe) it was stated on TV, sorry, don't remember which show.

I remember pink Calamine lotion was used behind the legs and inside the arms, the Eczema is itchy if I remember correctly.

Aunt Carrie would never sent Shaniya back over for a visit if she found any tell tale sign.

The family members seem like decent people, one fatal judgement and they lost a sparkling child, the world lost a sparkling child.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 11:59:55 AM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.

Thanks, NRCG, it may have been excema more..shame his F-I-L for statements it was cigerette burns if he didn't
have a doctor check out the child?  I really find that guy obnoxious to go and make these claims when he didn't do anything
about it.  I still think it is money, money, money...I wonder if he was left out of daughters estate? IMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 12:01:14 PM
Just had a comment about the eczema. My kids both had eczema has babies in the cold weather especially. I guess it is possible that it could have been mistaken. I am just curious though, why did the girl say that it was something that her grandma did?
the eye burn could have been an accidental burn... not saying it was but she was at the right height to where she could have walked into a lit cigg that the gma was holding...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
Sorry if this was already posted but they caught the guy that was using Shaniya as a scam to make money.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953325

Good!  Thanks for posting!

Is that guy the one claiming to be the step-brother or step-sister with a phone number?

I am leary about Shaniya memorial, (forgive me), what is a memorial?  Brad looks more than capable of footing the bill for Shaniya.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 12:11:39 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 12:14:20 PM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.

Thanks, NRCG, it may have been excema more..shame his F-I-L for statements it was cigerette burns if he didn't
have a doctor check out the child?  I really find that guy obnoxious to go and make these claims when he didn't do anything
about it.  I still think it is money, money, money...I wonder if he was left out of daughters estate? IMO
i get what you mean about don't complain now if you didn't inertveine then... but i don't get what you mean about the money ... why would he have ben in his daughters estate anyways... it is not normal for healthy married adults with 3 kids to include their parents in their will... most people expect to outlive their parents...
the father seemed bitter about him having sex with this bio mom maybe he found it to be disgraceful to his daughters memory that while they are raising the grandkids the dad is out boinking trashy hookers and having babies with them... if i was raising some ones kids to help out with a tragedy and that person just turns around and has 2 more kids i would probably be a little miffed too...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:17:48 PM
I think everyone who suspects abuse with any child should call and report it. We are hearing one side of the story though.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 12:19:25 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...
Maybe someone remembers because I don't  ::MonkeyConfused:: It was either the son of Brad, or the FIL that made a comment that out of Shaniya's mouth when asked, that her mother's friends did that to her, in reference to the cigarette burn/burns. I know that I heard or read that, just hoping someone remembers so it doesn't look like I'm spreading rumors. Because I remember thinking to myself, if Shaniya said that, a little five year old isn't making things up such as this. Also it was the son or FIL that made a comment about Shaniya being leary around men. I'm sure hoping someone remembers this, thanks.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: higherhopes on November 19, 2009, 12:22:20 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...
Maybe someone remembers because I don't  ::MonkeyConfused:: It was either the son of Brad, or the FIL that made a comment that out of Shaniya's mouth when asked, that her mother's friends did that to her, in reference to the cigarette burn/burns. I know that I heard or read that, just hoping someone remembers so it doesn't look like I'm spreading rumors. Because I remember thinking to myself, if Shaniya said that, a little five year old isn't making things up such as this. Also it was the son or FIL that made a comment about Shaniya being leary around men. I'm sure hoping someone remembers this, thanks.
Hey Rose, it was the son that said that about Shaniya not liking men she didnt know on NG the other night....I just watched again and thats what he said.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 12:24:04 PM
brad's son Byron made the comment about Shaniya being leary of men on the NG interview...from what I recall..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:25:40 PM
Good Evening Monkeys & Guests,

Has this been posted?


snip.


Police searched McNeill's car, a 1997 Mitsubishi Galant, and took a black and yellow abblebottom jacket, size four, a pair of jeans, size 24 months, a plastic straw, swabbings, and soil samples.

According to search warrangs, McNeill admitted taking Davis from the front of her house to a hotel in Sanford.

It is unknown at this time what McNeill's connection is to the child, police say. April Autry tells NBC17 that she is McNeill's girlfriend and is friends with Shaniya's aunt.

McNeilll was on unsupervised probation when Davis went missing. McNeill has been charged multiple times since 2001. The charges include assault inflicting serious bodily injury, possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use and hitting a police officer with his car


snip.
http://news.mync.com/site/news/story/44291/amber-alert-authorities-search-for-missing-5-year-old-girl/

I don't remember seeing this before. Thanks!

Your welcome, I gleaned it from another site:)

I tend to think there is always a hint of truth in a lie....The mom kept saying over and over again she was afraid Shaniya wandered outside, why would she say this? So I find it interesting about the claim MM took Shaniya from the front of her house. I have wondered if she had to sleep in the bathtub and when it had the sewage problem she moved to the couch and then mom put her on the porch and that is how the fecal matter was on the couch and the porch.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
brad's son Byron made the comment about Shaniya being leary of men on the NG interview...from what I recall..

For the most part she was being raised by a female relative that was unmarried, not strange a young child would be leary of men.

Are there any other pressers scheduled?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:31:50 PM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.

Thanks, NRCG, it may have been excema more..shame his F-I-L for statements it was cigerette burns if he didn't
have a doctor check out the child?  I really find that guy obnoxious to go and make these claims when he didn't do anything
about it.  I still think it is money, money, money...I wonder if he was left out of daughters estate? IMO

There seems to be a lot of water under the bridge between these people, that is foresure.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 12:32:02 PM
when I read that MM said that he took Shaniya from the front of her house that he was meaning the front room or living room where the bio said that she had put Shaniya at 5:30 which I think is not the correct time...

maybe MM took Shaniya the night before for whatever evil the bio and he intended and was supposed to return her the next morning early...when he didn't, that is why she called 911...she was pizzed that he had not returned the child when he was supposed to...she might have had a new trick lined up for the next morning..God it pains me to even type that let alone think about what this little 5 yr old was subjected to...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
This was an incident report file... Neglected by offender of a child..
Child name is Amari Autry. Go to the link it explains better...

The link didn't work. Did it work for anyone else? Can someone explain this reports details?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 12:37:12 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...

I think the mere fact of both of those men offering to take Shaniya in says a lot.
IMO, that was all they knew to do, and they were sincere.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Justagirl on November 19, 2009, 12:40:21 PM


I tend to think there is always a hint of truth in a lie....The mom kept saying over and over again she was afraid Shaniya wandered outside, why would she say this? So I find it interesting about the claim MM took Shaniya from the front of her house. I have wondered if she had to sleep in the bathtub and when it had the sewage problem she moved to the couch and then mom put her on the porch and that is how the fecal matter was on the couch and the porch.

I think mommy dearest shot herself in the foot when she made that 911 call, and I believe her when she said she last seen Shaniya @ 5:30. I mapquest'ed the distance between the Sleepy Hollow mobile home park and The Comfort Inn, and the distance is approximately 45 mins. AD claimed she last seen Shaniya at 5:30 am. McNeill & Shaniya are seen arriving at the Comfort Inn at 6:11 am. Almost exactly the time it would take to drive from the mobile home park to the hotel. What are the odds AD would just happen to see Shaniya at the exact moment she went missing? Unless of course- she was there at the moment of the 'kidnapping'. She may have woken her up and brought her to the car where MM was waiting..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:42:15 PM
when I read that MM said that he took Shaniya from the front of her house that he was meaning the front room or living room where the bio said that she had put Shaniya at 5:30 which I think is not the correct time...

maybe MM took Shaniya the night before for whatever evil the bio and he intended and was supposed to return her the next morning early...when he didn't, that is why she called 911...she was pizzed that he had not returned the child when he was supposed to...she might have had a new trick lined up for the next morning..God it pains me to even type that let alone think about what this little 5 yr old was subjected to...

Cookie I wonder if we will ever be told what happened that night/morning. I pray she was not as abused as my imagination seems to be pointing to and I also pray this poor baby went quickly and painlessly.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 12:45:07 PM
The following quote of Carey Lockart-Davis speaks volumes to me.  Why was there no contact with her niece for almost five weeks?  The father did not talk to his little girl in that five week period she was with her mother.  Shanyia's siblings  ... who have express concerns regarding AD's life style on Nancy Grace ... did not talk to their sister in that five week period.   Something is not right with the family dynamics.

Janet

++++++

Nancy Grace - November 17, 2009

CAREY LOCKHART-DAVIS, SHANIYA DAVIS` AUNT: The last time I saw Shaniya was four weeks ago on a Friday. I went to visit her mother. I packed her with two days` worth of clothes. I got her out of the car, and I kissed her good-bye, and I told her to be a good girl. She turned back to me and said, "I love you, Aunt Carey, and see you later."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 12:48:21 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...
Maybe someone remembers because I don't  ::MonkeyConfused:: It was either the son of Brad, or the FIL that made a comment that out of Shaniya's mouth when asked, that her mother's friends did that to her, in reference to the cigarette burn/burns. I know that I heard or read that, just hoping someone remembers so it doesn't look like I'm spreading rumors. Because I remember thinking to myself, if Shaniya said that, a little five year old isn't making things up such as this. Also it was the son or FIL that made a comment about Shaniya being leary around men. I'm sure hoping someone remembers this, thanks.
Hey Rose, it was the son that said that about Shaniya not liking men she didnt know on NG the other night....I just watched again and thats what he said.
Thanks, and thanks Cookie, I thought I heard this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 12:49:24 PM


I tend to think there is always a hint of truth in a lie....The mom kept saying over and over again she was afraid Shaniya wandered outside, why would she say this? So I find it interesting about the claim MM took Shaniya from the front of her house. I have wondered if she had to sleep in the bathtub and when it had the sewage problem she moved to the couch and then mom put her on the porch and that is how the fecal matter was on the couch and the porch.

I think mommy dearest shot herself in the foot when she made that 911 call, and I believe her when she said she last seen Shaniya @ 5:30. I mapquest'ed the distance between the Sleepy Hollow mobile home park and The Comfort Inn, and the distance is approximately 45 mins. AD claimed she last seen Shaniya at 5:30 am. McNeill & Shaniya are seen arriving at the Comfort Inn at 6:11 am. Almost exactly the time it would take to drive from the mobile home park to the hotel. What are the odds AD would just happen to see Shaniya at the exact moment she went missing? Unless of course- she was there at the moment of the 'kidnapping'. She may have woken her up and brought her to the car where MM was waiting..


Somewhere in their 2 stories lies the truth. How did the mess get on the couch and the porch? I really do wonder if this child was forced to sleep in the bathtub and was laying in the filth.

You know, if AD owed MM money, he could have gone to collect it and when there was none, grabbed the girl or the mom could have said to take her. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 19, 2009, 12:52:40 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...
Maybe someone remembers because I don't  ::MonkeyConfused:: It was either the son of Brad, or the FIL that made a comment that out of Shaniya's mouth when asked, that her mother's friends did that to her, in reference to the cigarette burn/burns. I know that I heard or read that, just hoping someone remembers so it doesn't look like I'm spreading rumors. Because I remember thinking to myself, if Shaniya said that, a little five year old isn't making things up such as this. Also it was the son or FIL that made a comment about Shaniya being leary around men. I'm sure hoping someone remembers this, thanks.

Supposedly it was Shaniya who said her Grandma burned her by the eye with a cigarette told by her half sister I think. This will all come out I guess, if true.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Searching on November 19, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
seahorse, Brad is saying Shaniya suffered from excema, and others are saying cigarette burns. There is a huge difference in appearance between the two. I have no idea what Shaniya had, maybe the aunt could say if she had excema, and then this could be put to rest. I would hate to think she had cigarette burns, and I really believe the aunt took good care of her and would have been able to tell the difference. And definitely, if people saw abuse, they should have spoken up to authorities.
OMG I can offer valid info for this!!!
Last winter I noticed that where my knee high leather boots come up to (right below my knee) and on the back of my leg a perfectly round patch of dry skin on both legs... at first I figured it was just irritated from my boots or something so I blew it off then one day I actually looked at it in the mirror and noticed it was perfectly round ring and I freaked out because I thought OMG I have ring worm (didn't really know what it was but knew it caused rings under the skin) so I went to my doctor and she said it was probably eczema def not ring worm and to use eucerine cream...
also when I was a teenager i had some sort of random skin bacteria/fungus that caused me to have pure white perfect circles the size of a pencil eraser on my upper arms... it was weird and the doctor told me to treat it with get this head and shoulders shampoo and it went away...
the leg circles looked like cigar burns and the arm thing could have passed as chic pox or cig burn scars... just saying it is not that unprobable that this could be true about the eczema and unless it is sever they do not prescribe actual medication...

My youngest daughter has exzema, had it since she was born, most people thought she was just not bathed well when she had break outs, thank God on her first break out I went straight to the pediatrician with her and was diagnosed as exzema , so never had any issues with allegations. they told me to use selsyn blu on her and gave me a special soft bristle brush to use to scrub the areas with the selsyn blu , and had to follow up with a cream/lotion after she was dried off. She still has break outs and yes, they start in perfect circles like ring worm. You probably had exzema in the early years as well hence the head n shoulders treatment. It is difficult to see on a child that has the break outs on their head, hers main areas were her head and arms, and if you don't catch it when it starts, it can form 'encrustations',as I learned when she got older and would not let me check her head daily for signs of break outs. I learned the pattern quickly though, if she scratched her head, she was breaking out.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 01:23:43 PM
the FIL/grandfather is raising Brad's kids from his first marriage...he seems like a decent guy who stepped up to  the plate and played daddy to some kids who needed it jmo...maybe he was told by someone that Shaniya was burnt by cigarettes and maybe he did report it...we don't know at this point...I tend to believe that his heart is/was in the right place and that he would have taken Shaniya in a heart beat to live with him and the other kids...jmo...
Maybe someone remembers because I don't  ::MonkeyConfused:: It was either the son of Brad, or the FIL that made a comment that out of Shaniya's mouth when asked, that her mother's friends did that to her, in reference to the cigarette burn/burns. I know that I heard or read that, just hoping someone remembers so it doesn't look like I'm spreading rumors. Because I remember thinking to myself, if Shaniya said that, a little five year old isn't making things up such as this. Also it was the son or FIL that made a comment about Shaniya being leary around men. I'm sure hoping someone remembers this, thanks.

Supposedly it was Shaniya who said her Grandma burned her by the eye with a cigarette told by her half sister I think. This will all come out I guess, if true.

Grm could have burned her without malice, meaning, gma may have held Shaniya in her arms with a cigerette, coffee, phone...
smokers have cigerettes burns on theirselves,too... smokers are careless sometimes and that is the truth.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
I can't help but think about what the 7 year old little boy witnessed day in and day out. ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I'm praying he is ok.  ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
I can't help but think about what the 7 year old little boy witnessed day in and day out. ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I'm praying he is ok.  ::MonkeyAngel::


I am also, and I just bet that little guy told the police a lot of things  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 01:44:58 PM
I can't help but think about what the 7 year old little boy witnessed day in and day out. ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I'm praying he is ok.  ::MonkeyAngel::


I am also, and I just bet that little guy told the police a lot of things  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes...I am betting that he saw plenty in his short little life...sadly..
this is one of the most heartbreaking cases ....in fact, they seem to get worse and worse with each child that goes missing doesn't it? just plain mean self indulgent people having babies that they don't want..this includes bio dads AND moms...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 02:15:14 PM
I can't help but think about what the 7 year old little boy witnessed day in and day out. ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I'm praying he is ok.  ::MonkeyAngel::


I am also, and I just bet that little guy told the police a lot of things  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes...I am betting that he saw plenty in his short little life...sadly..
this is one of the most heartbreaking cases ....in fact, they seem to get worse and worse with each child that goes missing doesn't it? just plain mean self indulgent people having babies that they don't want..this includes bio dads AND moms...

Has Fayetteville PD said anything about when the next presser will be?  I'm anxious.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 02:23:36 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys & Guests:

Has this information been posted?


snip

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.

snip

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

The GPS system should be helpful in the investigation if he was using it.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 02:28:40 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys & Guests:

Has this information been posted?


snip

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.

snip

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

The GPS system should be helpful in the investigation if he was using it.

Seahorse..the info was posted before, however what you mention about the GPS being useful has not to my knowledge been discussed...great point!! really really great point...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 19, 2009, 02:35:12 PM
ARE THEY LOOKING FOR MORE EVIDENCE THAT MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WAS IN THE CAR WITH MM AND SHANIYA...BECAUSE HE DID SAY HE PICKED HER UP OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE..I AM JUST ASKING SO I WILL BETTER UNDERSTAND..AND WHAT IS UP WITH SAYING HE PICKED HER UP OUTSIDE THE HOUSE????DID HER POS EGG DONOR PUT HER OUT THERE..IMO I THINK THAT SHE WAS GONE AT  5 30 THAT EVENING BEFORE NOT 5 30 THAT MORNING..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 02:38:26 PM
ARE THEY LOOKING FOR MORE EVIDENCE THAT MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WAS IN THE CAR WITH MM AND SHANIYA...BECAUSE HE DID SAY HE PICKED HER UP OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE..I AM JUST ASKING SO I WILL BETTER UNDERSTAND..AND WHAT IS UP WITH SAYING HE PICKED HER UP OUTSIDE THE HOUSE????DID HER POS EGG DONOR PUT HER OUT THERE..IMO I THINK THAT SHE WAS GONE AT  5 30 THAT EVENING BEFORE NOT 5 30 THAT MORNING..

I think so too...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 19, 2009, 02:46:04 PM
Three pic's together.

These pictures just break my heart. I know how this ends for Shaniya, but everytime I see them, I just want to somehow just jump in the picture, snatch her away from that SOB and bring her into safety! At the moment these images were captured, there was still a chance for intervention.........
I know huh?  :*(  The middle one is just a killer. . . she looks so scared to me in that one.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 19, 2009, 02:48:49 PM
Omg you guys sorry bout the caps


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: New Monkey on November 19, 2009, 02:48:50 PM

very interesting, Magnolia. Eve Carson was a friend of mine - her birthday is tomorrow so please everyone think of her and her family during this time.
I am very sorry for your loss. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 02:49:35 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys & Guests:

Has this information been posted?


snip

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.

snip

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

The GPS system should be helpful in the investigation if he was using it.

The GPS and the cell phone records will show something. I have a question about a GPS though, does it keep a record of where you have been regardless of asking it for direction. Sorry I don't have one, we use maps, lol.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: luvmyboys on November 19, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
Yes the gps will tell where you have been. It will give you the option to go to previous.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645


SBI Crime lab waiting on evidence in Shaniya Davis case
A staff report

Analysts at the State Bureau of Investigation crime lab are waiting for evidence in the Shaniya Davis case to arrive.

"The crime lab has not yet received evidence in this case but will process it as soon as the evidence is submitted to the lab," Noelle Talley, an SBI spokeswoman, said in an e-mail today.

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis said Wednesday night that issues involving lab work were needed before a decision could be made as to whether the death investigation of the 5-year-old girl would be handled by Grannis or Lee County District Attorney Susan Doyle.

~~~~~snipped~~~~~



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: AZSunny on November 19, 2009, 03:17:22 PM
Yes the gps will tell where you have been. It will give you the option to go to previous.

Even if you did not use the GPS system for directions in going there?  I know you can pull up previous planned tracking, but if you didn't use to get you there, would it know anyway?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Justagirl on November 19, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 03:42:37 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Justagirl, thank you for bringing that over here. It must have been difficult for the poster to go there, if they are reading, thank you for your efforts.

It is very interesting about the carpet, so that make it obvious he was not on the first floor with her. This again makes me wonder if someone else was at that hotel he "visited" with her.
I wish we could find out just why he used that hotel and not a cheaper, more slimmy type, why this one. I would imagine the price per room would be around 50-100?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Wyks on November 19, 2009, 03:44:02 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 

DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SHANIYA'S DAD.  SHANIYA'S DAD IS 38/39 YRS OLD.


Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 03:46:52 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473


Thank You!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 03:50:40 PM
::MonkeyEek::
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645


SBI Crime lab waiting on evidence in Shaniya Davis case
A staff report

Analysts at the State Bureau of Investigation crime lab are waiting for evidence in the Shaniya Davis case to arrive.

"The crime lab has not yet received evidence in this case but will process it as soon as the evidence is submitted to the lab," Noelle Talley, an SBI spokeswoman, said in an e-mail today.

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis said Wednesday night that issues involving lab work were needed before a decision could be made as to whether the death investigation of the 5-year-old girl would be handled by Grannis or Lee County District Attorney Susan Doyle.

~~~~~snipped~~~~~


It sure would be great if they put a rush on the evidence going to the crime lab  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 03:55:50 PM
After reading the WS article above, we now know those elevator pics are from the 3rd floor as there is no carpet in front of the lobby elevators.  So those pics show them leaving the hotel I assume. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
::MonkeyEek::
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645


SBI Crime lab waiting on evidence in Shaniya Davis case
A staff report

Analysts at the State Bureau of Investigation crime lab are waiting for evidence in the Shaniya Davis case to arrive.

"The crime lab has not yet received evidence in this case but will process it as soon as the evidence is submitted to the lab," Noelle Talley, an SBI spokeswoman, said in an e-mail today.

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis said Wednesday night that issues involving lab work were needed before a decision could be made as to whether the death investigation of the 5-year-old girl would be handled by Grannis or Lee County District Attorney Susan Doyle.

~~~~~snipped~~~~~


It sure would be great if they put a rush on the evidence going to the crime lab  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wouldn't it?  Especially with the upcoming holiday!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 04:02:23 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Justagirl, thank you for bringing that over here. It must have been difficult for the poster to go there, if they are reading, thank you for your efforts.

It is very interesting about the carpet, so that make it obvious he was not on the first floor with her. This again makes me wonder if someone else was at that hotel he "visited" with her.
I wish we could find out just why he used that hotel and not a cheaper, more slimmy type, why this one. I would imagine the price per room would be around 50-100?

yes thanks for that...MM more than likely went into a side door...this was already planned and set up imo...he may have been picking her up from the previous night on the pictures of him with Shaniya...sadly..

Wyks...interesting that dad had an alias...Why would he need one?
Interesting that his first wife was murdered...home invasion? and when his son started talking about it on NG, did dad come out to comfort son or did he come out to make sure that son didn't say too much about that murder? not trying to make anything out of it necessarily, however, everything  needs to be looked into imo...until we get all the facts of what happened to Shaniya, any related to her who has a past needs to be examined..jmo




Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 04:04:12 PM
Cell phone records could prove very interesting in regards to the happenings encompassing the morning Shaniya went missing.

When it is considered that MM arrived at the hotel with Shaniya at 6:11 AM ... I suspect that AD was referring to 5:30 AM.  At this time of year at 5:30 AM it is still very dark and ... maybe this is why AD made referrence to "last night".  The distance of 40 miles between home and the hotel would imply approximately a 30 - 40 minute drive.

I suspect that AD would not have made that 911 call if it had not been for the insistence of her worried sister who woke up unexpected ... her worried sister who did not have a clue what was going on.

Maybe MM was suppose to bring Shanyia back by 8:00 AM but ... AD calls him in a panic and warned him about the 911 call she was forced to make and ... damage control dictated that a short distance past the hotel Shaniya was silenced and disposed of like trash.  However ... the observant hotel clerk and ... hotel security cameras had not been anticipated.  This is why MM turns himself in.

1.  Could it be that MM ... made a plea deal with LE and ... that is the reason that Shanyia's remains were located?

2.  Could it be that AD confessed all and ... that accounts for the charges against her?

3.  Could it be that something was going on in that hotel room involving pornography which may have involved others?  Think about it.  Two other McNeills were arrested.

Just speculating.  I am anticipating a news conference.  What is taking so long?

 ::MonkeyMad::

Would a mod please put the map in the following link ... ... the map which shows the route between the hotel and the location of Shanyia's remains ... in the map thread of this forum.  Thank you.

Janet

+++++


Police say they're looking for body of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis
THE FAYETTEVILLE *******, N.C. | Mon, Nov 16, 11:57 AM


At a press briefing at 10:30 a.m., Chance said people have been turning out in droves to offer help but no more volunteer searchers are currently needed. She said civilians who want to help can call the police at 433-1820 to volunteer.

Meantime, the State Highway Patrol issued a 'be on the lookout for' advisory this morning, saying that they're looking for a man who had been spotted with Davis. The man is believed to be about 60 years old and driving a blue Toyota, according to an official with the Highway patrol. He may be in the vicinity of Raeford Road or Cliffdale Road.

Chance said police are following up any and all tips but are still concentrating their search for Shaniya on Walker Road.

At a press conference at the search site at 9 a.m. today, Chance said police had received some tips.

She said Mario Andrette McNeill, who has admitted to kidnapping Shaniya and is in custody, has been "extremely uncooperative" but has given some information to police.

Chance said McNeill is known to frequent Sanford. He was arrested Thursday after being identified as being with Shaniya Tuesday morning at the Comfort Suites hotel in Sanford. The two were seen on a surveillance tape at 6:11 a.m. Chance said police know McNeill left the motel with Shaniya at about 7:30 a.m. but they don't know what condition Shaniya was in at that point

http://dailyme.com/story/2009111600004240/police-body-5-year-old-shaniya-davis.html


klaasend
Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09-Ambert Alert Issued
« Reply #1584 on: November 17, 2009, 01:03:20 AM »


Map:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6471.msg1015157#msg1015157



Date Arrested             Name

November 17, 2009    Mcneill, Samuel
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Dustrus Willis
November 13, 2009    Mcneill, Mario Andrette

Just go to this link and type in the last name McNeill :

http://www.ccsonc.org/active_inmates/Inmates.aspx




Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys & Guests:

Has this information been posted?


snip

Police recovered 11 pieces of trace evidence, such as hair and fibers, from the car, as well as clothes, a belt, a straw, a cell phone and a portable GPS system, according to the search warrant.

snip

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6444454/

The GPS system should be helpful in the investigation if he was using it.

Seahorse..the info was posted before, however what you mention about the GPS being useful has not to my knowledge been discussed...great point!! really really great point...
yeah it caught my attention too and
1) i wonder how many random hotels he needed directions to and
2) it could be stolen and useless because you have to pay for the service to keep it working


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: michelle1111 on November 19, 2009, 04:07:03 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 19, 2009, 04:09:30 PM
After reading the WS article above, we now know those elevator pics are from the 3rd floor as there is no carpet in front of the lobby elevators.  So those pics show them leaving the hotel I assume. ::MonkeyCool::

I think so too.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:11:07 PM
After reading the WS article above, we now know those elevator pics are from the 3rd floor as there is no carpet in front of the lobby elevators.  So those pics show them leaving the hotel I assume. ::MonkeyCool::
i figured that as well... i was recently at a sheraton and spinning drunk... i was noticing the tacky loud pattern carpet and realized most hotels have that on room floors but not in the lobby... my friend said they use the pattern to help disguise stains and i commented on how it was such a busy and ugly design that i wanted to puke on it


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 


Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



Wyks ... you are amazing!

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:17:07 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Justagirl, thank you for bringing that over here. It must have been difficult for the poster to go there, if they are reading, thank you for your efforts.

It is very interesting about the carpet, so that make it obvious he was not on the first floor with her. This again makes me wonder if someone else was at that hotel he "visited" with her.
I wish we could find out just why he used that hotel and not a cheaper, more slimmy type, why this one. I would imagine the price per room would be around 50-100?

yes thanks for that...MM more than likely went into a side door...this was already planned and set up imo...he may have been picking her up from the previous night on the pictures of him with Shaniya...sadly..

Wyks...interesting that dad had an alias...Why would he need one?
Interesting that his first wife was murdered...home invasion? and when his son started talking about it on NG, did dad come out to comfort son or did he come out to make sure that son didn't say too much about that murder? not trying to make anything out of it necessarily, however, everything  needs to be looked into imo...until we get all the facts of what happened to Shaniya, any related to her who has a past needs to be examined..jmo



i wondered about the wife's character as well iirc she and her 19 year old sister and others were shot during the home invasion... home invasion/robberies usually aren't random and are usually drug related


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:19:38 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Justagirl, thank you for bringing that over here. It must have been difficult for the poster to go there, if they are reading, thank you for your efforts.

It is very interesting about the carpet, so that make it obvious he was not on the first floor with her. This again makes me wonder if someone else was at that hotel he "visited" with her.
I wish we could find out just why he used that hotel and not a cheaper, more slimmy type, why this one. I would imagine the price per room would be around 50-100?

yes thanks for that...MM more than likely went into a side door...this was already planned and set up imo...he may have been picking her up from the previous night on the pictures of him with Shaniya...sadly..

Wyks...interesting that dad had an alias...Why would he need one?
Interesting that his first wife was murdered...home invasion? and when his son started talking about it on NG, did dad come out to comfort son or did he come out to make sure that son didn't say too much about that murder? not trying to make anything out of it necessarily, however, everything  needs to be looked into imo...until we get all the facts of what happened to Shaniya, any related to her who has a past needs to be examined..jmo




Does anyone have the hotel information available? Does it say that the hotel clerk said he checked in with a girl matching the description? This is the impression I have, if that is incorrect then I need to rethink a few things. I can't seem to find the post with this information can anyone help? 



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah

already? his daughter isn't even  out of the morgue yet! geez!
whatever will he talk about? he won't be able to say much due to pending charges and not being able to talk about this or that...
.when is the book coming out? sorry if I sound like a biotch right now...but I guess that is how I am feeling for some reason...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:21:15 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 

DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SHANIYA'S DAD.  SHANIYA'S DAD IS 38/39 YRS OLD.


Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



Wykes can I ask if you are thinking the dad has something to do with this as well as the mom?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:22:29 PM
After reading the WS article above, we now know those elevator pics are from the 3rd floor as there is no carpet in front of the lobby elevators.  So those pics show them leaving the hotel I assume. ::MonkeyCool::
i figured that as well... i was recently at a sheraton and spinning drunk... i was noticing the tacky loud pattern carpet and realized most hotels have that on room floors but not in the lobby... my friend said they use the pattern to help disguise stains and i commented on how it was such a busy and ugly design that i wanted to puke on it

lol, too funny


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 04:22:39 PM
how far did the bio hag live from the dad? anyone know right off the bat? thanks  bunches..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:24:57 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah

already? his daughter isn't even  out of the morgue yet! geez!
whatever will he talk about? he won't be able to say much due to pending charges and not being able to talk about this or that...
.when is the book coming out? sorry if I sound like a biotch right now...but I guess that is how I am feeling for some reason...

I suppose he will talk about Shaniya, her death and so on. I think it is great that this story is getting national attention. It may help save another child in this situation.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: michelle1111 on November 19, 2009, 04:26:24 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 04:29:37 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah

already? his daughter isn't even  out of the morgue yet! geez!
whatever will he talk about? he won't be able to say much due to pending charges and not being able to talk about this or that...
.when is the book coming out? sorry if I sound like a biotch right now...but I guess that is how I am feeling for some reason...


I feel just the same, Cookie.  I have no sympathy for Mr. Lockhart.  I didn't when he was doing all of that
squalling just for show and I don't now.  He is a low life.  He is almost as much to blame as Antionette.
He sold his daughter down the river when he allowed her to go live in that filthy trailer.  If he didn't know
the conditions of that trailer, he should have.  It was his responsibility as a parent.
Now he wants to profit from this tragedy.  He should be hanging his head in shame.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 04:30:09 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Ya done good michelle.  Thank you.

Maybe a press conference is forthcoming.

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
how far did the bio hag live from the dad? anyone know right off the bat? thanks  bunches..

IIRC - 11.5 miles


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorcarpetcompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 04:33:57 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:35:39 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorcarpetcompare.jpg)

Would you mind doing a side by side with all 3 pics??? That would be great.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Thanks!

So the pictures we have seen of Mario carrying Shaniya are on the 3rd floor and have to be leaving, not coming.  Wonder if that's why they are now admitting that Shaniya was alive when they left the hotel?

3rd Floor Elevator pics from WS poster at the link above:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ComfortInn3rd.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ComfortInn3rdFl.jpg)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:36:46 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 

DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SHANIYA'S DAD.  SHANIYA'S DAD IS 38/39 YRS OLD.


Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



Hi Wyks,

Your work is wonderful, I hope you don't mind me questioning, are you SURE this is the right Bradley Lockhart?

I believe this guy no.1 is not our Bradley, please, will you make sure so we can delete it if its not?  TIA.

1.  LOCKHART, BRADLEY  F
Age: 45

Associated names:
LOCKHART, BRADLY

 ROSEDALE, VA
PINEY CREEK, NC
CARET, VA
 
------------------------------------------------

2. LOCKHART, BRADLEY  WAYNE
Age: 39

Associated names:
LOCKHART, BRAD W

 FAYETTEVILLE, NC
LEXINGTON PARK, MD
OCEANSIDE, CA
COMPTON, MD
SAN CLEMENTE, CA
CAMP LEJEUNE, NC
CAMP PENDLETON, CA
VISTA, CA

  LOCKHART, VICKIE  S (Age 55)
LOCKHART, CAREY  GEORG (Age 38


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 04:37:49 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 

DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SHANIYA'S DAD.  SHANIYA'S DAD IS 38/39 YRS OLD.

Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



The name Benny Frank Meadows fits him. IMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:38:33 PM
guys he had to have had the room fom the night before monday 11/9...
normal check in time is 2pm and check out is 11am... of course you could check in at 5am but you would definitely draw attention to yourself if you did...
i found this regarding typical monday night charges for rooms and it seems that no matter what type of romm it is 99.99 plus tax approx 110 total and the i read the only review of the hotel and almost chit myself...
i was reading it to see the comments about house keeping because thinking to myself i'm sure there was tons of dna all over the place (c'mon it's a hotel) and wondering how and why they could possibly be done analyzing all the room because there has got to be a lot of disgusting dna stains (ever see that i think 20/20 episode where they take a black light to a hotel room ... gross)
anyways you need to read the 1 and only review listed and dated july of 2009


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Thank you for bringing this forward!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 04:40:10 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 04:42:00 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?

trailer


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: michelle1111 on November 19, 2009, 04:42:15 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?
Idk hoping someone would have that info


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:42:43 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorcarpetcompare.jpg)
not trying to nit pick guys but i think the carpet looks slightly different... in the poster pic it looks like the purple line is smaller... hotels do use similar carpets with slight variations on different floors i've noticed.... is it possible that what we thought was a 3 is actually a 2?
another thing is the hotel is non smoking... i wonder if mm took any outdoor in front of camera cig breaks


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:46:11 PM
The 2nd pic shows the carpets pattern not up against the wall as it shows in the webslueths pic and the pattern is different. The WS pic, is that the same elevator on that floor? Are there maybe two?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 04:47:07 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?

The trailer.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:47:22 PM
I came by this on another board and thought it was interesting..

Description and Photos of the Comfort Suites Hotel in Sanford from a local posting at WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4458095&postcount=473

Thanks!

So the pictures we have seen of Mario carrying Shaniya are on the 3rd floor and have to be leaving, not coming.  Wonder if that's why they are now admitting that Shaniya was alive when they left the hotel?

3rd Floor Elevator pics from WS poster at the link above:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ComfortInn3rd.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ComfortInn3rdFl.jpg)
they never said she wasn't alive they said her condition was unknown... doesn't necessarily mean dead or alive they could have meant we don't know if she was raped yet or drugged or beaten etc etc


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.

I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not, it looks a little off - could it be the different camera angles and distance?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 04:49:14 PM
The 2nd pic shows the carpets pattern not up against the wall as it shows in the webslueths pic and the pattern is different. The WS pic, is that the same elevator on that floor? Are there maybe two?

That's what I thought about the second pic - I believe it's the baseboard making it look that way. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 19, 2009, 04:53:59 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah

already? his daughter isn't even  out of the morgue yet! geez!
whatever will he talk about? he won't be able to say much due to pending charges and not being able to talk about this or that...
.when is the book coming out? sorry if I sound like a biotch right now...but I guess that is how I am feeling for some reason...

UGH!! Who could do this before their baby was even buried, I notice he had a memorial set up a day or two after she was found...No true caring in this guy...just makes me angry and sad for Shaniya poor sweet baby.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:54:11 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 

DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SHANIYA'S DAD.  SHANIYA'S DAD IS 38/39 YRS OLD.

Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



Hi Wyks,

Your work is wonderful, I hope you don't mind me questioning, are you SURE this is the right Bradley Lockhart?

I believe this guy no.1 is not our Bradley, please, will you make sure so we can delete it if its not?  TIA.

1.  LOCKHART, BRADLEY  F
Age: 45

Associated names:
LOCKHART, BRADLY

 ROSEDALE, VA
PINEY CREEK, NC
CARET, VA
 
------------------------------------------------

2. LOCKHART, BRADLEY  WAYNE
Age: 39

Associated names:
LOCKHART, BRAD W

 FAYETTEVILLE, NC
LEXINGTON PARK, MD
OCEANSIDE, CA
COMPTON, MD
SAN CLEMENTE, CA
CAMP LEJEUNE, NC
CAMP PENDLETON, CA
VISTA, CA

  LOCKHART, VICKIE  S (Age 55)
LOCKHART, CAREY  GEORG (Age 38

i would say it is not since he was 28 when his wife was murdered 10 years ago


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 04:55:47 PM
Here are pictures of Lockhart's wife who was murdered along with her sister and the Epps man.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Shaniya%20Davis/?action=view&current=murder1998.jpg


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
The following segments of an article imply that the father has been ruled out as a suspect and ... the room that Shaniya was taken to was waiting for her arriving ... there was no checking in on that fateful morning.

Could the plan have been for MM to bring a drugged Shaniya back home with no memory of her experience and ... that is why the presence of security cameras was never a concern.  However ... the unexpected 911 call to authorities by AD changed everything.

Janet

+++++++


Shaniya Davis is Missing: Man Admits Kidnapping; 5-Year-Old Still Missing
November 13, 2009


Her father was out of town. Police ruled him out as a suspect, while the mother and a 7-year-old old boy spent most of Tuesday talking with police ...

Mario Andrette McNeill was seen on video carrying Shaniya Davis into the Sanford hotel Tuesday morning. A hotel worker called police when he recognized the girl as matching the description of missing Shaniya Davis, but by the time the police arrived, McNeill had left.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2388488/shaniya_davis_is_missing_man_admits.html?cat=9

 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.

I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not, it looks a little off - could it be the different camera angles and distance?

Lets see if I can say this without confusing myself.

See on the WS photo, the white curlyque? Now before that you have the pattern. I would think that to be about 12 inches or so? Given the size of the design and the size of the person in the other pics, that seems about right to me. Now if you look at the 2nd pic, there is not that much space between the wall, the floorboard and the carpet design and the whole first part of the design before the curlyque does not show. Ok did anyone understand that, lol. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
The following segments of an article imply that the father has been ruled out as a suspect and ... the room that Shaniya was taken to was waiting for her arriving ... there was no checking in on that fateful morning.

Could the plan have been for MM to bring a drugged Shaniya back home with no memory of her experience and ... that is why the presence of security cameras was never a concern.  However ... the unexpected 911 call to authorities by AD changed everything.

Janet

+++++++


Shaniya Davis is Missing: Man Admits Kidnapping; 5-Year-Old Still Missing
November 13, 2009


Her father was out of town. Police ruled him out as a suspect, while the mother and a 7-year-old old boy spent most of Tuesday talking with police ...

Mario Andrette McNeill was seen on video carrying Shaniya Davis into the Sanford hotel Tuesday morning. A hotel worker called police when he recognized the girl as matching the description of missing Shaniya Davis, but by the time the police arrived, McNeill had left.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2388488/shaniya_davis_is_missing_man_admits.html?cat=9

 

There was an article that said about checking in or that he was staying there? There have been so many. Thanks for looking though.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 04:58:52 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 04:58:55 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?

trailer
i know we are speculating about why it matters which county because we are assuming that they are going with where she died... they are currently only going on a kidnapping and sale of sex slave both those crimes happened where she lived at the trailor this does not necessarily mean that this is where she died


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 05:02:23 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.

I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not, it looks a little off - could it be the different camera angles and distance?

Lets see if I can say this without confusing myself.

See on the WS photo, the white curlyque? Now before that you have the pattern. I would think that to be about 12 inches or so? Given the size of the design and the size of the person in the other pics, that seems about right to me. Now if you look at the 2nd pic, there is not that much space between the wall, the floorboard and the carpet design and the whole first part of the design before the curlyque does not show. Ok did anyone understand that, lol. 

You are right, you explained it a lot better than I could have. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:02:36 PM
Brad lockhart is going to be on Oprah

already? his daughter isn't even  out of the morgue yet! geez!
whatever will he talk about? he won't be able to say much due to pending charges and not being able to talk about this or that...
.when is the book coming out? sorry if I sound like a biotch right now...but I guess that is how I am feeling for some reason...


I feel just the same, Cookie.  I have no sympathy for Mr. Lockhart.  I didn't when he was doing all of that
squalling just for show and I don't now.  He is a low life.  He is almost as much to blame as Antionette.
He sold his daughter down the river when he allowed her to go live in that filthy trailer.  If he didn't know
the conditions of that trailer, he should have.  It was his responsibility as a parent.
Now he wants to profit from this tragedy.  He should be hanging his head in shame.


I am glad I am not the only monkey swinging from that vine ...I feel  the same way, and I think when the mom said 5:30 at night she let the cat out of the bag, but when the dispatcher said 5:30 in the morning she said  yea like it chimed in that sounds better. I wonder if MM had her out all night.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 05:03:31 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?

trailer
i know we are speculating about why it matters which county because we are assuming that they are going with where she died... they are currently only going on a kidnapping and sale of sex slave both those crimes happened where she lived at the trailor this does not necessarily mean that this is where she died

I think they are going by which county is better equipped to handle to trial and investigation, since all of the
other information will have to come out at trial.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 05:04:07 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the district that the body was located?

Janet

++++++

klaasend
Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09-Ambert Alert Issued
« Reply #1584 on: November 17, 2009, 01:03:20 AM »

Map:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6471.msg1015157#msg1015157


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:04:31 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?
I think the white article is a towel..jmo ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:06:16 PM
Jess Star is an attorney...

thanks for all the answers to questions everyone! you monks are the very best!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:06:50 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?
I think the white article is a towel..jmo ::MonkeyConfused::

The black and white article looks to stiff for a blanket the blanket would be floppy..again jmo


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 05:07:48 PM
Don' tknow if posted.  jurisdiction finally cumberland.  dont know how to link
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941

Is that the county for the hotel or the trailer?

The trailer.

Thanks! They probably just choice the county the crime(s) originated from then at least for these two people?

Now would other people who have raped this little girl be tried in that county or cumberland? I would think it would be the county their crime happened in unless they are going to put everyone on trial at the same time?   


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 05:09:38 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?
I think the white article is a towel..jmo ::MonkeyConfused::

The black and white article looks to stiff for a blanket the blanket would be floppy..again jmo
To me, it looks like the black and white thing is a stuffed animal and the white cloth is a towel or some kind of cloth.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 05:10:11 PM
the pics are defionitely different areas and i thought that the ws poster said there was only 1 elevator there are a lot of diffrences the main one being the purple line and yes i get crappy camera vs good camera but this is 2 thin purple lines vs one thick one here is a better pic


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 05:15:02 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
I think the white thing is a towel.  I don't think that any of them would be so considerate to give this child a blankie for comfort...arse holes that they are!



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:17:12 PM
Penny....ask the hotel if their carpeting is different in patches, areas...I have seen this...don't like it, but have seen it before...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing

Gotta luv a monkey with ba!!s ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 05:18:09 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing

 ::MonkeyDevil:: Good luck!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing

Gotta luv a monkey with ba!!s ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

or without ba !!s in this case...lol!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 05:20:25 PM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I would like to ask a question about the surveillance when they was getting into the elevator. It looked like Shaniya was holding a blanket. Is that the blanket that they found in the trash can?

GRACE: Good question. What do we know about that, Marlaina Schiavo? I don`t think it`s the same one.

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: You`re right, Nancy. It`s not the same blanket because that blanket was taken into evidence. And we also know that that blanket was covered in feces and was not a clean blanket, like the one shown in the surveillance.


Of course they can always be wrong too!  JMO



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 05:21:21 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.

I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not, it looks a little off - could it be the different camera angles and distance?
It just dawned on me and I am shaking right now, while looking again at carpet patterns and stuffed animals, no matter what floor they are on, no matter what she is holding, this is the face of a little girl who was just raped. This case has really gotten to me, these pics are horrible to see. God Bless her and keep her close
 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
I am wondering if the white thing whatever it is was found with Shaniya? otherwise, what would he have done with it? thrown it along the road or into a dumpster? possible..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:25:12 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.

I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not, it looks a little off - could it be the different camera angles and distance?
It just dawned on me and I am shaking right now, while looking again at carpet patterns and stuffed animals, no matter what floor they are on, no matter what she is holding, this is the face of a little girl who was just raped. This case has really gotten to me, these pics are horrible to see. God Bless her and keep her close
 

I know TracyG...it is horrible isn't it? it is haunting me day and night seeing those pictures..she is the first thing that I thought of this morning...that lovely little girl...my heart is broken...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:26:09 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/shaniya%20davis/shaniya3rdfloorallthree.jpg)

Thanks so much. Look at the patterns, do they match to you? I think they are a little off.

I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me or not, it looks a little off - could it be the different camera angles and distance?
It just dawned on me and I am shaking right now, while looking again at carpet patterns and stuffed animals, no matter what floor they are on, no matter what she is holding, this is the face of a little girl who was just raped. This case has really gotten to me, these pics are horrible to see. God Bless her and keep her close
 

Very sad....also in one picture her little legs are crossed tighter than the other pic with her legs crossed...shows a sign of fear  ::MonkeyMad::::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: michelle1111 on November 19, 2009, 05:28:12 PM
I am wondering if the white thing whatever it is was found with Shaniya? otherwise, what would he have done with it? thrown it along the road or into a dumpster? possible..
maybe hand towel from hotel?  maybe drowling from drugs?  crying?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 05:31:34 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing

Gotta luv a monkey with ba!!s ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

or without ba !!s in this case...lol!
yup that's me i amalsoo the one whocalled and got lisa croslins vm on her cell when we were trying to figure out if it was still in service lol
okay so get this i just called and let it ring for 10 minutes no one answered!!!
this is the number i found for it without having to use an 800#
1891 Bragg Street
Sanford, NC 27330
(919) 842-5600
also has anyone read the frickin review i posted from orbitz dated 3 months ago
i am surprised no one has commented as alot of parts jump out to me
here is what it says Bold and italic by me:

room was nice. pool was small and hot tub did not work and had small scalding ports. Maids did not clean our room and claimed ...  that we had the did not disturb sign posted and that we did not answer when they knocked. lazy house keeping so who knows if all evidence was destroyed if this place is not busy what are the odds that the sheets were even changedWe had already left to visit our family early and the sign was inside the room. Morning breakfast was good. Second night my teens were intimidated by some black guests and one of my party was black herself, she is implying that there were some scary ass black people loitering in the halls and she is not just racist as she says she had a black person with her they left the area. Small children ran the hallways at 2-3am unattended by parents. makes my blood run cold It was a new motel with many needed amentities such as friendly and intelligent staff. to me implies that the staff was not attentive and clueless about stuff Expensive for town of Sanford, North Carolina.
here is the link to it
http://www.orbitz.com/App/shared/pagedef/results/hotelDetailsStandalone.jsp?z=c25&r=1q&z=c26&r=1r&lastPage=interstitial


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
Info on Shaniya's dad, including a completely different name he has used (alias). 


Lockhart, Bradley Fitzgerald

Alias used:
Meadows, Benny Frank 

Charges:
DWI - 4/1994
Resisting Officer - 4/1994
Assault on Policeman - 4/1994

Sentence:
jail, probation, no prison time


http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1 (http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0244665&searchLastName=Lockhart&searchFirstName=Bradley&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1)



hi Wykes..

I believe Bradley middle name is Wayne..  Bradley Wayne Lockhart


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
I am wondering if the white thing whatever it is was found with Shaniya? otherwise, what would he have done with it? thrown it along the road or into a dumpster? possible..
maybe hand towel from hotel?  maybe drowling from drugs?  crying?

I would bet my paycheck she was drugged...I guess we will know soon. She does not even look like herself in these pics ::MonkeyMad::I pray the good Lord numbed her to what was happening to her.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:34:01 PM
dad going to be on Oprah tomorrow!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
Some good news, maybe, out of this case.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/952890

Shaniya Davis case adds to calls for probation reform By Greg Barnes
Staff writer

 State Sen. Tony Rand said the criminal history of a Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping 5-year-old Shaniya Davis demonstrates the need for more tools to help probation officers do their jobs.

"That's why I have been raising hell and why we have put together this pilot project," said Rand, who announced this month that he is stepping down as Senate majority leader to become head of the state's parole and probation system.

The pilot program, being set up in Raleigh, provides a database that allows law enforcement, probation officers, court clerks, district attorneys, magistrates and others easy access to all criminal records. Rand said the system should be operating by spring.

"If somebody is arrested, they can check to see if any other arrest warrants are out there," Rand said.

Under the current system, government officials aren't always able to share all the criminal information on one person.

The new system may have helped in the case of Mario Andrette McNeill, a Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping Shaniya on Nov. 10. Shaniya's body was found Monday in woods south of Sanford. Law officials say more charges are pending.

McNeill has had a criminal history since 2001, when he was charged with shooting three people. He was sentenced to supervised probation for the shootings as well as drug charges.

McNeill violated the terms of his probation and stayed in prison from October 2003 to May 2006.

He was charged with drug offenses shortly after getting out and was again sentenced to supervised probation. As part of the sentence, McNeill was required to stay free of illegal drugs.

While on supervised probation, McNeill was charged with possessing cocaine and, a few months later, with striking a police officer with his vehicle while trying to flee.

Despite those charges, a judge in November 2007 changed the status of McNeill's probation to unsupervised.

Wayne Marshburn, head of the probation system for Cumberland County, said probation officers may not have known about the pending charges against McNeill when he was allowed to go on unsupervised probation.

In April 2008, Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson put McNeill back on supervised probation for hitting the officer and the cocaine charge. Court records show that Judge E. Lynn Johnson terminated that probation on Oct. 22, six months before it was set to expire.

Nineteen days later, police say, McNeill was captured on video carrying Shaniya into a Sanford motel. Her body was found less than a week later.

Rand said he did not know the particulars of McNeill's case. But under the pilot system, he said, everyone involved in the judicial system would have been able to share McNeill's history and could have made a different determination of whether his probation status should have been changed or terminated.

"I think this kind of thing, more clearly than anything else, points out the needs to have this kind of information," Rand said. "What we're trying to do is make everybody aware of the data we have concerning a person's record or lack of record."

Rand was the sponsor of a new law that will give probation officers access to a person's juvenile records and makes drug screenings a regular part of probation. The law will give investigators the power to make warrantless searches in certain cases involving people on probation. The law takes effect Dec. 1.



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
Published: 05:02 PM, Thu Nov 19, 2009
Shaniya Davis case adds to calls for probation reform
By Greg Barnes
Staff writer

State Sen. Tony Rand said the criminal history of a Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping 5-year-old Shaniya Davis demonstrates the need for more tools to help probation officers do their jobs.

"That's why I have been raising hell and why we have put together this pilot project," said Rand, who announced this month that he is stepping down as Senate majority leader to become head of the state's parole and probation system.

The pilot program, being set up in Raleigh, provides a database that allows law enforcement, probation officers, court clerks, district attorneys, magistrates and others easy access to all criminal records. Rand said the system should be operating by spring.

"If somebody is arrested, they can check to see if any other arrest warrants are out there," Rand said.

Under the current system, government officials aren't always able to share all the criminal information on one person.

The new system may have helped in the case of Mario Andrette McNeill, a Fayetteville man accused of kidnapping Shaniya on Nov. 10. Shaniya's body was found Monday in woods south of Sanford. Law officials say more charges are pending.

McNeill has had a criminal history since 2001, when he was charged with shooting three people. He was sentenced to supervised probation for the shootings as well as drug charges.

McNeill violated the terms of his probation and stayed in prison from October 2003 to May 2006.

He was charged with drug offenses shortly after getting out and was again sentenced to supervised probation. As part of the sentence, McNeill was required to stay free of illegal drugs.

While on supervised probation, McNeill was charged with possessing cocaine and, a few months later, with striking a police officer with his vehicle while trying to flee.

Despite those charges, a judge in November 2007 changed the status of McNeill's probation to unsupervised.

Wayne Marshburn, head of the probation system for Cumberland County, said probation officers may not have known about the pending charges against McNeill when he was allowed to go on unsupervised probation.

In April 2008, Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson put McNeill back on supervised probation for hitting the officer and the cocaine charge. Court records show that Judge E. Lynn Johnson terminated that probation on Oct. 22, six months before it was set to expire.

Nineteen days later, police say, McNeill was captured on video carrying Shaniya into a Sanford motel. Her body was found less than a week later.

Rand said he did not know the particulars of McNeill's case. But under the pilot system, he said, everyone involved in the judicial system would have been able to share McNeill's history and could have made a different determination of whether his probation status should have been changed or terminated.

"I think this kind of thing, more clearly than anything else, points out the needs to have this kind of information," Rand said. "What we're trying to do is make everybody aware of the data we have concerning a person's record or lack of record."

Rand was the sponsor of a new law that will give probation officers access to a person's juvenile records and makes drug screenings a regular part of probation. The law will give investigators the power to make warrantless searches in certain cases involving people on probation. The law takes effect Dec. 1.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/952890



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 05:36:20 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing

Gotta luv a monkey with ba!!s ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

or without ba !!s in this case...lol!
yup that's me i amalsoo the one whocalled and got lisa croslins vm on her cell when we were trying to figure out if it was still in service lol
okay so get this i just called and let it ring for 10 minutes no one answered!!!
this is the number i found for it without having to use an 800#
1891 Bragg Street
Sanford, NC 27330
(919) 842-5600
also has anyone read the frickin review i posted from orbitz dated 3 months ago
i am surprised no one has commented as alot of parts jump out to me
here is what it says Bold and italic by me:

room was nice. pool was small and hot tub did not work and had small scalding ports. Maids did not clean our room and claimed ...  that we had the did not disturb sign posted and that we did not answer when they knocked. lazy house keeping so who knows if all evidence was destroyed if this place is not busy what are the odds that the sheets were even changedWe had already left to visit our family early and the sign was inside the room. Morning breakfast was good. Second night my teens were intimidated by some black guests and one of my party was black herself, she is implying that there were some scary ass black people loitering in the halls and she is not just racist as she says she had a black person with her they left the area. Small children ran the hallways at 2-3am unattended by parents. makes my blood run cold It was a new motel with many needed amentities such as friendly and intelligent staff. to me implies that the staff was not attentive and clueless about stuff Expensive for town of Sanford, North Carolina.
here is the link to it
http://www.orbitz.com/App/shared/pagedef/results/hotelDetailsStandalone.jsp?z=c25&r=1q&z=c26&r=1r&lastPage=interstitial



MM could have known the hotel clerk slipped him some drugs for a free room...not implying the clerk that said he saw them, MM could even known someone that worked in housekeeping and let him in a room for free for an hour.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 05:41:59 PM
okay dammit i'm gonna call the hotel and tell them i am looking to book the room for a famous psychic that will pay top dollar to be in the last room that shaniya was known to be in... cooky yes but maybe the mention of a lot of money will get them to tell me the room number... here goes nothing

Gotta luv a monkey with ba!!s ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

or without ba !!s in this case...lol!
yup that's me i amalsoo the one whocalled and got lisa croslins vm on her cell when we were trying to figure out if it was still in service lol
okay so get this i just called and let it ring for 10 minutes no one answered!!!
this is the number i found for it without having to use an 800#
1891 Bragg Street
Sanford, NC 27330
(919) 842-5600
also has anyone read the frickin review i posted from orbitz dated 3 months ago
i am surprised no one has commented as alot of parts jump out to me
here is what it says Bold and italic by me:

room was nice. pool was small and hot tub did not work and had small scalding ports. Maids did not clean our room and claimed ...  that we had the did not disturb sign posted and that we did not answer when they knocked. lazy house keeping so who knows if all evidence was destroyed if this place is not busy what are the odds that the sheets were even changedWe had already left to visit our family early and the sign was inside the room. Morning breakfast was good. Second night my teens were intimidated by some black guests and one of my party was black herself, she is implying that there were some scary ass black people loitering in the halls and she is not just racist as she says she had a black person with her they left the area. Small children ran the hallways at 2-3am unattended by parents. makes my blood run cold It was a new motel with many needed amentities such as friendly and intelligent staff. to me implies that the staff was not attentive and clueless about stuff Expensive for town of Sanford, North Carolina.
here is the link to it
http://www.orbitz.com/App/shared/pagedef/results/hotelDetailsStandalone.jsp?z=c25&r=1q&z=c26&r=1r&lastPage=interstitial


Yes I think that is very odd.  I bet you LE asked questions about this (hopefully) after receiving the surveilance video.  Especially about kids wondering about or being brought in and out of there by the same person.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 05:42:12 PM
SBI crime lab receives evidence in Shaniya Davis case

Nancy McCleary
Staff writer

 Fayetteville police have just delivered evidence from the Shaniya Davis case to the State Bureau of Investigation, a spokeswoman said in an e-mail this afternoon.

The delivery means that officials in Cumberland and Lee counties may have reached a decision as to where the case will be tried.

Fayetteville police Chief Tom Bergamine has said no additional charges would be filed until the venue issue was settled.

Ed Grannis, the Cumberland County district attorney, said Wednesday night that prosecutors were waiting on some SBI lab results before making a decision on where the case would be tried.

Shaniya was reported missing from her home in the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park off Murchison Road on Nov. 10.

She was seen on surveillance video at a Sanford hotel being carried by a man police have identified as Mario Andrette McNeill.

Police have said the 5-year-old girl was alive when she left the hotel about 11/2

Her body was found Monday in woods along Walker Road in Lee County, about six miles south of Sanford.

McNeill is charged with first-degree kidnapping in the case.

Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Davis, is charged with human trafficking, child abuse involving prostitution, filing a false police report and obstructing an investigation.

Residents of the Sleepy Hollow Mobile Home Park are having a prayer service at 7 tonight. They will meet at 1202 Sleepy Hollow Drive, which is across the street from the Davis home.


http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 05:44:48 PM
KCJackie I was waiting to see if you posted that next!  We were on the same page at the same time.  too funny! 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 05:45:10 PM
Penny....ask the hotel if their carpeting is different in patches, areas...I have seen this...don't like it, but have seen it before...
i don't understand what you mean... but about how many elevators that thing above the button is a floor layout and i am trying to find another one so we can find out how many elevators... i don't want to seem to cooky cuz i really want them to cough up the room number so i am not going to ask about the carpet... also with hotel rooms you have to leave a credit card on file so that there is a way to charge you if you damage it and if you don't have one they require a large deposit that you can get back at check out... so the chances that this was put under a fake name with matching photo id is improbable to me... after the review i posted i am seriously wondering if small children being pimped by scary black men has not been going on there on a regular basis... i do not think mm was the one raping her and i do think this is a ring not just mm and shaniya...
also the cops said that they had him on video but never mentioned that they were at a room registered to him... tells me that he was not there under his name also he is a repeated criminal and when people have warrants and check into a hotel they are tracked by police (at least where i live) so i doubt that he would put a room in his name because for all he knows he might have warrants he doesn't know about and since a ws poster said the camera locations... it is possible that the police had surmized what floor he was on but not which room and i am now wondering if it could even be a company that has a certain amount of rooms always rented in case they need them for clients... my work does that
i said it before and i mean it child sex trades are common among affluent people and the business of it all is an enterprise ran like a company...
i hope they catch all the bastards involved


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: seahorse on November 19, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
Wyks,

You have the wrong Bradley Lockhart, you better get that information off before he sues you for slander.


IT'S TAKEN CARE OF


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:53:02 PM
snipped from above article:


She was seen on surveillance video at a Sanford hotel being carried by a man police have identified as Mario Andrette McNeill.

Police have said the 5-year-old girl was alive when she left the hotel about 11/2


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
snipped from above article:


She was seen on surveillance video at a Sanford hotel being carried by a man police have identified as Mario Andrette McNeill.

Police have said the 5-year-old girl was alive when she left the hotel about 11/2

sorry...trying to emphasize the second sentence....^^^ am on a new netbook computer and the keys are new to me...much smaller!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Miki Monkey on November 19, 2009, 05:55:58 PM
Wyks,

You have the wrong Bradley Lockhart, you better get that information off before he sues you for slander.


This may have been better if you had emailed Klaas rather than blurt this out.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 05:57:30 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:00:05 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:00:14 PM
I KNOW THE ROOM NUMBER FOR A FACT SHOULD I POST IT?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 06:02:56 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
I KNOW THE ROOM NUMBER FOR A FACT SHOULD I POST IT?

Penny.. Ask 1 of the sweet mods...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:05:32 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 06:06:40 PM
HLN is talking about Shaniya now...cops say that bio bag sold Shaniya to pay off a drug debt....Shaniya's  body has not been released to her family yet...
but Dad is going to be on Oprah tomorrow..... ::MonkeyEek::   why does that bug me so much?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 06:07:40 PM
snipped from above article:


She was seen on surveillance video at a Sanford hotel being carried by a man police have identified as Mario Andrette McNeill.

Police have said the 5-year-old girl was alive when she left the hotel about 11/2

sorry...trying to emphasize the second sentence....^^^ am on a new netbook computer and the keys are new to me...much smaller!

O/T but are you in luv with it yet?  I love mine!  It's so cute and cool!  Enjoy.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:09:28 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Penny do you think it is possible that the POS book one room and travel on to another floor to meet another POS who had a room book on another floor???


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 06:10:11 PM
snipped from above article:


She was seen on surveillance video at a Sanford hotel being carried by a man police have identified as Mario Andrette McNeill.

Police have said the 5-year-old girl was alive when she left the hotel about 11/2

sorry...trying to emphasize the second sentence....^^^ am on a new netbook computer and the keys are new to me...much smaller!

O/T but are you in luv with it yet?  I love mine!  It's so cute and cool!  Enjoy.

I love it yes I do...I got a red one...it fits in some of my purses! but right now I am not using the mouse so I am not as handy...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 06:13:38 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Cool!  Brave woman you are.  I'm very glad they have the exact room and are obviously checking it all over for evidence.  So now I wonder if the room was in his name?  Has to be right?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:15:24 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Penny do you think it is possible that the POS book one room and travel on to another floor to meet another POS who had a room book on another floor???
i am still considering that but the room they are not releasing is on the second floor soooo i don't know maybe he was on 3rd and traveled down is what i guess you are implying ... possible seeing as without a doubt the elevator button was pressed in for down... and it did seem to me that it was a 3 on the elevator but the pics of carpet are different so it could have been a 2 which i had considered even before knowing this....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
HLN is talking about Shaniya now...cops say that bio bag sold Shaniya to pay off a drug debt....Shaniya's  body has not been released to her family yet...
but Dad is going to be on Oprah tomorrow..... ::MonkeyEek::   why does that bug me so much?

I don't buy paying off a drug debt, I think there was a sicko waiting for Shaniya to be delivered to them...and it could be they used her for photos there are some sick child porno freaks in this world, she was so pretty and she would be a money maker for these AHOLes


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: fatcatlurker on November 19, 2009, 06:16:58 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Penny do you think it is possible that the POS book one room and travel on to another floor to meet another POS who had a room book on another floor???
i am still considering that but the room they are not releasing is on the second floor soooo i don't know maybe he was on 3rd and traveled down is what i guess you are implying ... possible seeing as without a doubt the elevator button was pressed in for down... and it did seem to me that it was a 3 on the elevator but the pics of carpet are different so it could have been a 2 which i had considered even before knowing this....

Actually I was thing the 4th floor POS Mcneill was on at one time..


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:18:24 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Cool!  Brave woman you are.  I'm very glad they have the exact room and are obviously checking it all over for evidence.  So now I wonder if the room was in his name?  Has to be right?
yeah well after jersey's post i am wondering if this was his room or the room he traveled to and i cannot call backthe clerk because i think she is on to me after my wheel chair inquirysomeone else needs to call tomorrow and ask them how many rooms per floor .. tell them you are flying in a chit load of people for a wedding and you want them all on the same floor


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:20:05 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Penny do you think it is possible that the POS book one room and travel on to another floor to meet another POS who had a room book on another floor???
i am still considering that but the room they are not releasing is on the second floor soooo i don't know maybe he was on 3rd and traveled down is what i guess you are implying ... possible seeing as without a doubt the elevator button was pressed in for down... and it did seem to me that it was a 3 on the elevator but the pics of carpet are different so it could have been a 2 which i had considered even before knowing this....

Actually I was thing the 4th floor POS Mcneill was on at one time..
i dunno i always thought a 2,3 or 5 in the pic but there is no 5 and i never thought 4


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.
it is 2 for a fact


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.
it is 2 for a fact

Great Job Penny... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
so ok..the second floor...what were they doing on the 3rd floor then if the elevator number was correct which I  believe it was a 3...I lost my rationale on why I could figure out why they would be coming or leaving.....the police said that they were leaving or that she was alive when the cameras caught MM and Shaniya...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cookie on November 19, 2009, 06:23:22 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.
it is 2 for a fact

they probably read it over here first!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: my2cents on November 19, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc
Penny you are awesome!......great work.......anyone have one of those monkey trophy gold star things like grandma monkey used to give out?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:26:42 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc
Penny you are awesome!......great work.......anyone have one of those monkey trophy gold star things like grandma monkey used to give out?

Ask Brandi she gives out the gold stars...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: HopeForAll on November 19, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
 ::MonkeySkate::FYI the nursing home where momster worked is very upscale. :king:


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
OMG I DID IT ...
i called and spoke with someone i won't say her name because i do not want her to get in trouble... i said hi i am looking to book a particular room for a famous psychic that i will not mention by name as she travels under an alias.. i said it is the room that the shaniya incident happened in and obviously she would be willing to book it around the availability of it at their convenience... and she said there is a one problem sweetheart we haven't released that room yet and i said oh disappointedly and asked when they would she said next week some time and i said well thank you and when i call back next week should i speak with a manager and she said yes she will be in at 8am tomorrow couldn't really understand the name...something tomsom i repeated thompson and she said tomsom then i said well which room# is it i should request and she said off the record with a little hesitance and i said oh yes absolutely and she told me ... IT IS NOT THE 3RD FLOOR i know what it is but should i post it?

Hi Penny... Isn't there a 4th floor?
according to posters yes and i will say this it was the second floor or rather the number of the room was in the 200's and i just called the hotel agfain like a loon and said i was coming with a lot of people in wheel chairs and i needed to know if there are rooms available on the ground level floor... i did that because i wanted to know if since the lobby is floor 1 and not L would the rooms on the second floor be in the 100's or 200's
IT WAS THE SECOND FLOOR and they do have an exact room as they are not releasing it yet

Cool!  Brave woman you are.  I'm very glad they have the exact room and are obviously checking it all over for evidence.  So now I wonder if the room was in his name?  Has to be right?
she said that the hotel is not releasing it yet not that the police had not released it... could be that they don't want a flood of people stalking the room... could be that the police haven't released it but the way she said it implied that the hotel has not made it available...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
so ok..the second floor...what were they doing on the 3rd floor then if the elevator number was correct which I  believe it was a 3...I lost my rationale on why I could figure out why they would be coming or leaving.....the police said that they were leaving or that she was alive when the cameras caught MM and Shaniya...
yeah but the rugs don't match for it to be the 3rd floor...
we need to know how many elevators and how many rooms per floor and preferably a fir evacuation plan... they have toregister that with some where and it should be public knowledge


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: my2cents on November 19, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc
Penny you are awesome!......great work.......anyone have one of those monkey trophy gold star things like grandma monkey used to give out?

Ask Brandi she gives out the gold stars...
cool ...thanx ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 06:30:42 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: For Penny good work  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Maybe MM got off on the wrong floor and was on 3 at one time I saw it clear as day MSNBC news on Tues. He could have pushed the wrong button...probably high on something and was not the brightest POS


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:30:45 PM
KLAAS I see you!!!
 do i post the room number or not?
I do not care about the clerk getting in trouble io guess I am looking for a moral answer in regards to the investigation


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.
it is 2 for a fact

they probably read it over here first!
well are they talking about the loon that actually called for a psychic lol


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 06:31:54 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?

I agree


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:33:50 PM
FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- ABC11 Eyewitness News has learned that Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis will take jurisdiction in the Shaniya Davis case.

That according to sources close to the investigation.

The 5-year-old disappeared last Tuesday from her Fayetteville home. Her body was found days later in a wooded area south of Sanford in Lee County.

Mario McNeill, 29, is charged with kidnapping the child, Shaniya's mother Antoinette Davis, 25, is also jailed on charges of prostituting her daughter.

So far, no one has been charged with killing the young girl. But officials say they will hold a press conference at 8 p.m. to discuss the latest events surrounding the case.

Sources tell ABC11 Eyewitness News that officials will announce that McNeill will be charged with first degree murder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:34:14 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc
Penny you are awesome!......great work.......anyone have one of those monkey trophy gold star things like grandma monkey used to give out?
i'm already wearing one on my forehead literally lol it was my reward for being good at the dentist... my kid gave it to me


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 06:34:47 PM
I KNOW THE ROOM NUMBER FOR A FACT SHOULD I POST IT?

I'm not sure what it could hurt?  Nobody is going to get in the room anyway until LE releases it.  There's the possibility that the person at Comfort Suites is BSing you too.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 06:35:47 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.
it is 2 for a fact

they probably read it over here first!
well are they talking about the loon that actually called for a psychic lol

2nd Floor? What was the room number?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: my2cents on November 19, 2009, 06:37:41 PM
I wonder who else it shows coming and going on the video tape? I really hope that they look back to check in time the day before too


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
I wonder who else it shows coming and going on the video tape? I really hope that they look back to check in time the day before too

I hope they check for the last 5 weeks....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: my2cents on November 19, 2009, 06:38:48 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc
Penny you are awesome!......great work.......anyone have one of those monkey trophy gold star things like grandma monkey used to give out?
i'm already wearing one on my forehead literally lol it was my reward for being good at the dentist... my kid gave it to me
How funny!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 06:39:10 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?

According to the following map ... Shaniya's remains were found in Lee County.

Janet

+++++

klaasend
Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09-Ambert Alert Issued
« Reply #1584 on: November 17, 2009, 01:03:20 AM »

Map:[/
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6471.msg1015157#msg1015157


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 06:40:10 PM
okay cookie the staff is dumb and guilable so now you call and ask about the carpet lol

ha ha! not gonna  bother...you did so well

what do you think about posting the room # here...we don't want the clerk to get into trouble...but I an curious and it might help us to figure out when the pictures of the perp was taken....leaving or arriving...
I am more concerned with the case getting f'ed up by any other possible employees that didn't know the room number because we all know if i post it it will be on some other sites within seconds (and ng 2 months later lol) i don't see how the room number would help you to determine if they were leaving or not.. they were leaving...
\chit i feel like i am bursting with a secret i want to say but i will wait for mods to tell me if i should i don't really know how toask so can someone ask a mod for me and if anyone can get me a layout of the rooms maybe from a fire safety plan or something... i am so glad that they know the exact room that means they have a name it was registered to etc etc
Penny you are awesome!......great work.......anyone have one of those monkey trophy gold star things like grandma monkey used to give out?
i'm already wearing one on my forehead literally lol it was my reward for being good at the dentist... my kid gave it to me

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/penny.gif)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 06:43:59 PM
FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- ABC11 Eyewitness News has learned that Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis will take jurisdiction in the Shaniya Davis case.

That according to sources close to the investigation.

The 5-year-old disappeared last Tuesday from her Fayetteville home. Her body was found days later in a wooded area south of Sanford in Lee County.

Mario McNeill, 29, is charged with kidnapping the child, Shaniya's mother Antoinette Davis, 25, is also jailed on charges of prostituting her daughter.

So far, no one has been charged with killing the young girl. But officials say they will hold a press conference at 8 p.m. to discuss the latest events surrounding the case.

Sources tell ABC11 Eyewitness News that officials will announce that McNeill will be charged with first degree murder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941


 ::MonkeyEek:: Press conference tonight?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 06:45:46 PM
Thanks for the updates, and thanks Penny  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:46:02 PM
I KNOW THE ROOM NUMBER FOR A FACT SHOULD I POST IT?

I'm not sure what it could hurt?  Nobody is going to get in the room anyway until LE releases it.  There's the possibility that the person at Comfort Suites is BSing you too.
no she wasn't i could tell and when i called back and asked about the wheel chair thing she sounded alittle alarmed like oh chit i just told a reporter what room #


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:51:31 PM
I KNOW THE ROOM NUMBER FOR A FACT SHOULD I POST IT?

I'm not sure what it could hurt?  Nobody is going to get in the room anyway until LE releases it.  There's the possibility that the person at Comfort Suites is BSing you too.
whoa i just overlooked you because i didn't recognize you lol
okay guys room #201 (doesn't mean it was near the elevator) and since the poster at ws said that the layout was one straight line of rooms and the elevator was not directly in the middle it suggests it would actually be the furthest one away
now lets see how long it takes for that to hit everywhere else...
hhhhm art too bad you didn't cover this case or you could have a bombshell courtesy of the gorilla with a star on it's head LOL


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 06:56:16 PM
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6457986/

Police to file new charges in 5-year-old's death
Shaniya Nicole Davis

Posted: Today at 4:23 p.m.
Updated: 6 minutes ago

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Fayetteville police have scheduled an 8 p.m. news conference to announce new charges in the death of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis.

Watch the news conference LIVE on WRAL.com.

Shaniya was reported missing from her home, at 1116-A Sleepy Hollow Drive in Fayetteville, by her mother on Nov. 10. Volunteer searchers found her body Monday afternoon in the woods off N.C. Highway 87 near the Lee-Harnett county line.

No cause of death has been released.

Prosecutors in Cumberland and Lee counties met for four hours Wednesday to discuss how to handle the case. They must prove where the girl was killed to establish legal jurisdiction to prosecute someone on a murder charge.

Fayetteville police and Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis met again Thursday to discuss the case.

A source close to the investigation told WRAL News that there's a strong likelihood Cumberland County will handle the case.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: 4getUnot on November 19, 2009, 06:57:55 PM
Penny you are a very brave and super clever monkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
I KNOW THE ROOM NUMBER FOR A FACT SHOULD I POST IT?

I'm not sure what it could hurt?  Nobody is going to get in the room anyway until LE releases it.  There's the possibility that the person at Comfort Suites is BSing you too.
whoa i just overlooked you because i didn't recognize you lol
okay guys room #201 (doesn't mean it was near the elevator) and since the poster at ws said that the layout was one straight line of rooms and the elevator was not directly in the middle it suggests it would actually be the furthest one away
now lets see how long it takes for that to hit everywhere else...
hhhhm art too bad you didn't cover this case or you could have a bombshell courtesy of the gorilla with a star on it's head LOL

TY Penny ~ you are awesome! ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 06:58:30 PM
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645

Published: 06:11 PM, Thu Nov 19, 2009
Police update on Shaniya Davis case set for 8 p.m.
By Nancy McCleary
Staff writer

 

The Fayetteville Police Department has scheduled a news conference for 8 tonight to discuss additional charges in the Shaniya Davis case.

The news conference will be in front of the Police Department.

Police are expected to discuss the latest in the investigation of the 5-year-old's death.

Fayetteville police delivered evidence from the case to the State Bureau of Investigation earlier today, a spokeswoman said in an e-mail.

The delivery means officials in Cumberland and Lee counties may have reached a decision as to where the case will be tried.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 06:58:45 PM
kind of feel bad now because the clerk was nice... and now if her job checks here they will no she missed a call when i let it ring for 10 minutes and that she spilled the beans...
funny i didn't feel bad calling lisa croslin LOL
we need to find out how many rooms per floor i found out how many in the hotel but i cannot just divide by 4 because obviosly the 1st floor has less....
can someone call and ask to book a whole floor for a wedding in june?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
kind of feel bad now because the clerk was nice... and now if her job checks here they will no she missed a call when i let it ring for 10 minutes and that she spilled the beans...
funny i didn't feel bad calling lisa croslin LOL
we need to find out how many rooms per floor i found out how many in the hotel but i cannot just divide by 4 because obviosly the 1st floor has less....
can someone call and ask to book a whole floor for a wedding in june?

whats the link for the phone number...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:03:58 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:06:22 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different

Do we have pic of the 4th floor?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
kind of feel bad now because the clerk was nice... and now if her job checks here they will no she missed a call when i let it ring for 10 minutes and that she spilled the beans...
funny i didn't feel bad calling lisa croslin LOL
we need to find out how many rooms per floor i found out how many in the hotel but i cannot just divide by 4 because obviosly the 1st floor has less....
can someone call and ask to book a whole floor for a wedding in june?

whats the link for the phone number...
google the street address 1891 briggs street and the zip you will see a generic heading with no mention of the hotel the number is 919-842-5600... if you are calling to ask them something you might want to wait a little bit till a possible shift change because i got the same person 3 times and her hinky meter probably just exploded


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 07:08:05 PM
FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- ABC11 Eyewitness News has learned that Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis will take jurisdiction in the Shaniya Davis case.

That according to sources close to the investigation.

The 5-year-old disappeared last Tuesday from her Fayetteville home. Her body was found days later in a wooded area south of Sanford in Lee County.

Mario McNeill, 29, is charged with kidnapping the child, Shaniya's mother Antoinette Davis, 25, is also jailed on charges of prostituting her daughter.

So far, no one has been charged with killing the young girl. But officials say they will hold a press conference at 8 p.m. to discuss the latest events surrounding the case.

Sources tell ABC11 Eyewitness News that officials will announce that McNeill will be charged with first degree murder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941


Jerseygirl ... thanks.

Would the 8:00 PM be eastern time?

Janet



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 07:08:07 PM
FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- ABC11 Eyewitness News has learned that Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis will take jurisdiction in the Shaniya Davis case.

That according to sources close to the investigation.

The 5-year-old disappeared last Tuesday from her Fayetteville home. Her body was found days later in a wooded area south of Sanford in Lee County.

Mario McNeill, 29, is charged with kidnapping the child, Shaniya's mother Antoinette Davis, 25, is also jailed on charges of prostituting her daughter.

So far, no one has been charged with killing the young girl. But officials say they will hold a press conference at 8 p.m. to discuss the latest events surrounding the case.

Sources tell ABC11 Eyewitness News that officials will announce that McNeill will be charged with first degree murder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941


Thank you for posting. 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:10:08 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different

Do we have pic of the 4th floor?
not that i know of but in the serveilance picture there is an up button so they could not have been on the 4th floor kwim
and the rug that ws poster posted of floor 3 is not the same as serveilance rugs so by elimination the serveilance pic is not floor 3 or 4 or 1 since they are going down... i know your a smart monkey i just wanted to clarify that for anyone who was not caught up or didn't believe me


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:10:26 PM
FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- ABC11 Eyewitness News has learned that Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis will take jurisdiction in the Shaniya Davis case.

That according to sources close to the investigation.

The 5-year-old disappeared last Tuesday from her Fayetteville home. Her body was found days later in a wooded area south of Sanford in Lee County.

Mario McNeill, 29, is charged with kidnapping the child, Shaniya's mother Antoinette Davis, 25, is also jailed on charges of prostituting her daughter.

So far, no one has been charged with killing the young girl. But officials say they will hold a press conference at 8 p.m. to discuss the latest events surrounding the case.

Sources tell ABC11 Eyewitness News that officials will announce that McNeill will be charged with first degree murder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7127941


Jerseygirl ... thanks.

Would the 8:00 PM be eastern time?

Janet



yes Also it will be on on HLN..  press conference


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:11:49 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different

Do we have pic of the 4th floor?
not that i know of but in the serveilance picture there is an up button so they could not have been on the 4th floor kwim
and the rug that ws poster posted of floor 3 is not the same as serveilance rugs so by elimination the serveilance pic is not floor 3 or 4 or 1 since they are going down... i know your a smart monkey i just wanted to clarify that for anyone who was not caught up or didn't believe me

I believe ys about room #201.. I have a hinky meter POS Mcneill was on another floor also...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
On another site they are convinced it is two also.
it is 2 for a fact

you are a brave monkey, If I knew how I would give you another star! how about a flower? Here is a flower :flower:


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:19:38 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 07:24:14 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different

Do we have pic of the 4th floor?
not that i know of but in the serveilance picture there is an up button so they could not have been on the 4th floor kwim
and the rug that ws poster posted of floor 3 is not the same as serveilance rugs so by elimination the serveilance pic is not floor 3 or 4 or 1 since they are going down... i know your a smart monkey i just wanted to clarify that for anyone who was not caught up or didn't believe me

I believe ys about room #201.. I have a hinky meter POS Mcneill was on another floor also...

Jersey I think he got off of the wrong floor and was caught on camera on the third floor then went to the 2 floor...jmo


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: JessStar on November 19, 2009, 07:27:04 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?

I agree

Good evening!  I suppose I'm a bit of a law expert.   ::MonkeyRoll::  Criminals must be charged and tried in the jurisdiction in which the crime occurred.  It doesn't have anything to do with higher sentences, etc.  It's merely a legal, due process requirement.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:30:24 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different

Do we have pic of the 4th floor?
not that i know of but in the serveilance picture there is an up button so they could not have been on the 4th floor kwim
and the rug that ws poster posted of floor 3 is not the same as serveilance rugs so by elimination the serveilance pic is not floor 3 or 4 or 1 since they are going down... i know your a smart monkey i just wanted to clarify that for anyone who was not caught up or didn't believe me

I believe ys about room #201.. I have a hinky meter POS Mcneill was on another floor also...
i didn't mean  that you didn't believe me but klaas made a comment that the clerk could have been lying to me and she wasn't i could tell... she is biting her nails right now wondering who she just spilled it to... so i wanted to emphasis to any nay sayers that even by reasonable deduction it is the 2nd floor in the pics... and i agree about the room even if not another floor definitely another room maybe even an adjoining one but i really think he was just the delivery guy so to speak and i doubt he stood and watched...


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:33:10 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:34:39 PM
your welcome guys
JERSEY i get what you mean about the traveling to another floor but another thing i noticed is that the pic was def not the 4th floor because there is an up button on the elevator panel and there is no 5th floor so there would not be an up button if they were on the top floor could be floor #2 going down to lobby or could be floor number 3 going down to 2 or lobby but not unless there is more then one elevator because the rugs are absolutely different

Do we have pic of the 4th floor?
not that i know of but in the serveilance picture there is an up button so they could not have been on the 4th floor kwim
and the rug that ws poster posted of floor 3 is not the same as serveilance rugs so by elimination the serveilance pic is not floor 3 or 4 or 1 since they are going down... i know your a smart monkey i just wanted to clarify that for anyone who was not caught up or didn't believe me

I believe ys about room #201.. I have a hinky meter POS Mcneill was on another floor also...
i didn't mean  that you didn't believe me but klaas made a comment that the clerk could have been lying to me and she wasn't i could tell... she is biting her nails right now wondering who she just spilled it to... so i wanted to emphasis to any nay sayers that even by reasonable deduction it is the 2nd floor in the pics... and i agree about the room even if not another floor definitely another room maybe even an adjoining one but i really think he was just the delivery guy so to speak and i doubt he stood and watched...
Ok The young girl was very nice.. she wanted my c/c to book the 4 rooms for 119.00 anight with double beds.. I told her I would call her back.. I am going to caal back and ask next how many rooms on the floor.. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:35:55 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

LOL I told her we had a pink birthday theme and wanted to make sure it all goes together... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: mymonkey on November 19, 2009, 07:41:14 PM

http://www.allgetaways.com/hotels/hotel-detail.asp?hotelid=126906

I googled and this link gave 4 floors and 74 rooms  Comfort Inn Sanford NC


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

OK I called back and she N---i  stated I needed to talk to Angela her manager  tomorrow for anymore details....Hmmmm


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:51:33 PM

http://www.allgetaways.com/hotels/hotel-detail.asp?hotelid=126906

I googled and this link gave 4 floors and 74 rooms  Comfort Inn Sanford NC
yeah i know but they have a lobby and an area for their breakfast buffet so the 1st floor has less rooms then the other 3 floors i would like to figure out how many on floor 2


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

OK I called back and she N---i  stated I needed to talk to Angela her manager  tomorrow for anymore details....Hmmmm
well mrs. tomsom will be in at 8 lol
i think i got her hinky up with the wheelchair inquiry
what were you going to ask her now?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 07:55:16 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

OK I called back and she N---i  stated I needed to talk to Angela her manager  tomorrow for anymore details....Hmmmm
well mrs. tomsom will be in at 8 lol
i think i got her hinky up with the wheelchair inquiry
what were you going to ask her now?

All I ask her was how many rooms on the 4th floor....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
I think its the difference between a good camera and a surveillance camara, I think these are leaving pictures. jmo

Also on NG someone said the black and white thing is a blanket, I guess a baby blankie, and I really believe the white thing is a diaper.

So who is the law expert here?  Would the jurisdiction have anything to do with the charges?  Meaning higher sentence in Cumberland for Trafficing vs Murder in Clay County?

I agree

Good evening!  I suppose I'm a bit of a law expert.   ::MonkeyRoll::  Criminals must be charged and tried in the jurisdiction in which the crime occurred.  It doesn't have anything to do with higher sentences, etc.  It's merely a legal, due process requirement.


Yep Jess you are the law expert! So tell me, would all crimes commeted against Shaynia be tried in that particular county? So then if he kidnapped her in one county and prostituted her in another, would their be 2 counties involved or does it go back to where the original crime was committed?

Also, If there are other men/woman involved in raping this child but the crime happened in another county, where would they be charged? Does it go back to where she was taken from or where that particular crime took place?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:57:29 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

OK I called back and she N---i  stated I needed to talk to Angela her manager  tomorrow for anymore details....Hmmmm
guess this would be the room decor of your slumber party if on floor 4 (taken from site)



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 19, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
I have one more scenario I want to run past. If he already had a room, he would have a key that would slide in the lock that would open the side door not going past the lobby. He could have taken the stairs, and the picture that I think shows her with shoes could have been walking past the elevator on the third floor or going to another floor, getting ready to go to the room. In the other two, where she looks different and is barefooted is where they are leaving.

The accomodations part of their website says "elevator(s)" which I take as more than one. I have stayed at a motel where there is actually a work elevator for the maids to take their carts up, and it is behind a door, generally near the stairs, so it look like just another room. I wonder if he was a frequent visitor there and knew this and used it to carry her in, and not the stairs.

I really do believe we are seeing two different times in the three pictures we have seen. And I think the one where she is barefooted and about to be slaughtered is the one with the white towel, diaper, blanket or whatever it is around her.  JMO


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: can on November 19, 2009, 07:58:20 PM
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/19/953645

Published: 06:11 PM, Thu Nov 19, 2009
Police update on Shaniya Davis case set for 8 p.m.
By Nancy McCleary
Staff writer

 

The Fayetteville Police Department has scheduled a news conference for 8 tonight to discuss additional charges in the Shaniya Davis case.

The news conference will be in front of the Police Department.

Police are expected to discuss the latest in the investigation of the 5-year-old's death.

Fayetteville police delivered evidence from the case to the State Bureau of Investigation earlier today, a spokeswoman said in an e-mail.

The delivery means officials in Cumberland and Lee counties may have reached a decision as to where the case will be tried.
(snipped)

Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 07:58:44 PM
Link to the press conference:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/livenow?id=7122856


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 07:58:51 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

OK I called back and she N---i  stated I needed to talk to Angela her manager  tomorrow for anymore details....Hmmmm
well mrs. tomsom will be in at 8 lol
i think i got her hinky up with the wheelchair inquiry
what were you going to ask her now?

All I ask her was how many rooms on the 4th floor....
what is wrong with that?
i told you her hinky meter exploded lol


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on November 19, 2009, 08:00:07 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

OK I called back and she N---i  stated I needed to talk to Angela her manager  tomorrow for anymore details....Hmmmm
guess this would be the room decor of your slumber party if on floor 4 (taken from site)



There would of been a nice PJ /birthday party that evening....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on November 19, 2009, 08:00:29 PM
OK.. I just called for a PJ party for 15 girls.. The 4th floor bedroom has purple decor- Rugs are purple, brown and burgandy...
lmfao am i invited? ... did you get a woman with an accent and a 5 letter name
why the interest in the bedroom decor? please don't say to match up to pre existing shaniya photos....

Wouldn't rhyme with "motel" would it? ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 08:01:43 PM
Link to the press conference:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/livenow?id=7122856


 ::MonkeyMad::

asphyxiation - did you hear them say that?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: cw618 on November 19, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
hey monkeys im still 7pgs behind, but i have a Q about the 911 op
the 911 op asked about the underwear, WHY?
 in june we lost a kid at the park for a 1/2 hr or so and you dont know how scary
that is. anyway after 10min search we call 911 for help, and i just asked the mom
and she said the 911 op did not ask about underwear

the girl was found in car playing with a toy, like 50ft away from us, she is 5
we just never thought to look in the car, because we were in panic mode i guess


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 08:03:36 PM
Jurisdiction will remain in Cumberland county

Cause of death homicide - asphyxiation preliminary

Filing first degree murder/rape of a child against Mario McNeill


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 08:03:48 PM
I have one more scenario I want to run past. If he already had a room, he would have a key that would slide in the lock that would open the side door not going past the lobby. He could have taken the stairs, and the picture that I think shows her with shoes could have been walking past the elevator on the third floor or going to another floor, getting ready to go to the room. In the other two, where she looks different and is barefooted is where they are leaving.

The accomodations part of their website says "elevator(s)" which I take as more than one. I have stayed at a motel where there is actually a work elevator for the maids to take their carts up, and it is behind a door, generally near the stairs, so it look like just another room. I wonder if he was a frequent visitor there and knew this and used it to carry her in, and not the stairs.

I really do believe we are seeing two different times in the three pictures we have seen. And I think the one where she is barefooted and about to be slaughtered is the one with the white towel, diaper, blanket or whatever it is around her.  JMO
i agree about the different times in the photos i do not agree about different floors tho because of the purple line on the rug... and about it possibly being a service elevator it is not behind any doors or hidden away because you can see decorative wall light fixture that indicates regular public hallway and from what i can tell if you exit the elevators the emergency/regular stairs are to your left at the end of the hall.. hope that helps a little


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: penny for your thoughts on November 19, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
hey monkeys im still 7pgs behind, but i have a Q about the 911 op
the 911 op asked about the underwear, WHY?
 in june we lost a kid at the park for a 1/2 hr or so and you dont know how scary
that is. anyway after 10min search we call 911 for help, and i just asked the mom
and she said the 911 op did not ask about underwear

the girl was found in car playing with a toy, like 50ft away from us, she is 5
we just never thought to look in the car, because we were in panic mode i guess
because it is all she was wearing as "bottoms"


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
I can't hear, my store is too noisy right now!


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 08:07:18 PM
Link to the press conference:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/livenow?id=7122856


 ::MonkeyMad::

asphyxiation - did you hear them say that?

Sorry, I heard them talking before it started.  I didn't want you monkeys to think I was deaf. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: klaasend on November 19, 2009, 08:09:03 PM
Link to the press conference:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/livenow?id=7122856


 ::MonkeyMad::

asphyxiation - did you hear them say that?

Sorry, I heard them talking before it started.  I didn't want you monkeys to think I was deaf. ::MonkeyTongue::

Yeah, I heard one of the reporters say that too before it started


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 19, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
Link to the press conference:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/livenow?id=7122856


 ::MonkeyMad::

asphyxiation - did you hear them say that?

.... and rape.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
I guess that answers one of my questions, anyway. I wondered if little Shaniya had succumbed to injuries or was murdered independently from what she had been put through.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 19, 2009, 08:14:40 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
O/T (kinda)

NG has a real sharpness to her spitting out those words tonight!   ::MonkeyEek::

I'd be skeered to call her!

"We'll be Taking YOUR Calls.........  "   :smt103


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on November 19, 2009, 08:18:46 PM
The current charges on AD are standing as there are right now   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: TiskTisk on November 19, 2009, 08:19:42 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::
omg!! I wanted to believe I didn't see the face of a child rapist on the Tv I wanted to believe he was a poor excuse of a human being nothing more than a mule for a more evil individual....I truly hope he gets what he deserves for what he did to that baby!!! WE NEED STIFFER PUNISHMENTS FOR PEDOPHILES!!! There is no rehabilitation for that kind of human! :( 


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: KCJackie on November 19, 2009, 08:19:48 PM
Since this is a high profile case - will smirky @ss MF'er be witheld from general population? ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:20:09 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

I know NR. It's just more than I can comprehend.....    :smt022


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 08:23:35 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/shanaya5.gif)
Prayers to you sweet baby girl.

I had to look at this pic again


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:23:53 PM
Since this is a high profile case - will smirky @ss MF'er be witheld from general population? ::MonkeyWaa::

I hope not............... Oh, I hope not! He'll be turned into a favorite "little girl" in prison immediately and the guards will look the other way. I'd pay inmates to chant the name Shaniya in his ear while he's "busy".     ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 08:24:22 PM
Since this is a high profile case - will smirky @ss MF'er be witheld from general population? ::MonkeyWaa::

They will love his long dreds in prison


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: TiskTisk on November 19, 2009, 08:24:26 PM
Since this is a high profile case - will smirky @ss MF'er be witheld from general population? ::MonkeyWaa::

Don't I hope so !!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on November 19, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

and I won't even say how I think he asphyxiated her  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Edward on November 19, 2009, 08:26:30 PM
So Mario is the guy we see carry her ?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 08:26:35 PM
The current charges on AD are standing as there are right now   ::MonkeyEek::

Scum of the earth, she needs to do life if not killed.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
So Mario is the guy we see carry her ?


Yes Edward it is.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Magnolia on November 19, 2009, 08:27:51 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

and I won't even say how I think he asphyxiated her  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought the same, Nut.
I can't think of any punishment bad enough for that POS


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:27:55 PM
So Mario is the guy we see carry her ?


Yes, that's Mario.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Northern Rose on November 19, 2009, 08:28:28 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

and I won't even say how I think he asphyxiated her  ::MonkeyNoNo::

First Degree Rape (14-27.2)
A person is guilty of rape in the first degree if the person engages in vaginal intercourse:

With a victim who is a child under the age of 13 years and the defendant is at least 12 years old and is at least four years older than the victim; or
With another person by force and against the will of the other person, and:
a. Employs or displays a dangerous or deadly weapon ... ; or
b. Inflicts serious ... injury ...; or
c. The person commits the offense aided or abetted by one or more other persons.
Classification: Class B1 Felony (40 years and/or fine)

http://www.ncsu.edu/police/Information/NCLaw.html


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Tracygirl on November 19, 2009, 08:28:42 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

and I won't even say how I think he asphyxiated her  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or when, poor baby, she was only 5! WTF


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: rachcresp on November 19, 2009, 08:29:09 PM
Did they ever say whether or not she was alive when they left the hotel? I am wondering if he killed her in the car or the hotel. They said they were still looking for another crime scene but how would they be able to find evidence if she died like that?


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
This pig raped a 5 year old girl.   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::

and I won't even say how I think he asphyxiated her  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought the same, Nut.
I can't think of any punishment bad enough for that POS

OMG! I can't even think about it.....


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: Edward on November 19, 2009, 08:30:05 PM
He took her to a motel ? Why ? Why not take her to his home ?

He is married ?  There is a reason WHY she is taken to a motel..

I thought he was delivering her to the motel to be used by another male...



Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on November 19, 2009, 08:30:16 PM
Did they ever say whether or not she was alive when they left the hotel? I am wondering if he killed her in the car or the hotel. They said they were still looking for another crime scene but how would they be able to find evidence if she died like that?

In the press conference, they said they didn't think she was killed at the hotel.


Title: Re: Shaniya Nicole Davis #2