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Okies~ Our thread for discussing spiritual issues.

Justinsmama started this for Sam and me, so I'll begin, LOL.

The conversation Sam and I were having involved reincarnation. Ever since I was about 15 years old I've loved reading books about all sorts of spiritual topics. Since I'm pretty darned old now, I must have read zillions over the years. One thing that has increasingly made ssense over the years is the idea that we live on earth more than once. If you'd like to read a sort of introduction to this concept, a good book is Mission To Millboro. It recounts the lives of a group of people in modern-day California. There is also some evidence that the group lived together in Civil War-era Virginia as well. The idea is that people live a life on earth, go back to heaven to evaluate what they learned in the most recent life, plan a new life on earth to continue learning, and then reincarnate together as a group. Therefore, the people you love in this life are more than likely the people you loved in the previous life. The roles might change - i.e., your sister in this life might have been your mother in the previous one. The point, however, if that relationships on earth are planned in heaven for the continued learning of all the souls involved.

BT~ If there is reincarnation, I truly want this to be my very last trip around! Even if it means not evolving any higher, so be it! My life has not been terrible by any means. Yet, the pain that I see in this world has wearied my soul. A bit of eternal peace and tranquility would be a change for the better.

Although there are old flames that I would not mind getting hot with again! Oops! Did I say that?! I did!  :shock:

I heard that, Justins!  :lol:

According to all the books, when we learn all the things we're supposed to learn, then we do stop reincarnating. Evidently, heaven is more like a big university than it is a place where we sit on clouds and play harps. Also, apparently we aren't supposed to resist pain, be it mental or physical. Pain is a part of the experience. Interestingly enough, I recently read that new research has shown that people in the hospital who accept their pain actually suffer less and get well more quickly than those who resist their pain.

It helps to see people in pain if you go with the idea that they planned their life and chose one with pain. For instance, if a soul needs to learn to be more patient, that soul might choose a new life where a physical ailment forces the soul to learn that patience. The soul goes into the new life with spiritual eyes wide open, sotaspeak.

I find it comforting in cases of tragic deaths of babies, children, and young adults, that the idea that the soul of the person chose an early death, and that the soul of that person will return and get to experience all the things missed out on in the life that was cut short.

According to this, I suck!

http://www.astralvoyage.com/spirituality/reincarnation.html

A reader has recently asked me if she and her friend will reincarnate. This is a valid question for many of us who believe in reincarnation. Here is my feedback:

One can look at reincarnation in several ways. First, we never die so "reincarnation" is just electing certain vehicles for the soul to experience itself. So technically, you can "reincarnate" into the physical, astral, or the mental plane, but the soul is not really part of any of these planes. There is no past or future, only now, so reincarnation is a constant flow of Being, but in different forms and planes, which provides us the variety of experience to fully know our self.

You will continue to reincarnate into various vehicles as that is what your higher self desires. Of course you don't consciously wish to reincarnate again in to this plane. Any person with an ounce of sanity would not! Once you see past the illusion of what is presented to us here, it initially seems almost unbearable (this is stage one). But the striking truth is, is that you chose to be here at a level you can't understand right now. You weren't sent here to be punished, but instead, you came here because you knew, at the highest level, that this is where the most rapid remembering happens. So you consciously desiring not to come back here again doesn't mean you won't, for until your higher self chooses not to, you will. Like a skin that doesn't fit you anymore, you will shed it naturally when the time comes. But don't think because you see the illusion around you, that you've risen above it. It goes far beyond that.

When I say "remembering", you have to understand that your "higher self", or "It' or "Universal Mind" or "God" is in a state of perfection. This is already you, but you chose to forget so you can experience yourself through remembering. Reincarnation is what that is about. It's not about learning, it's about remembering. Until you are fully remembered of your true being, you will keep coming to the place that you elect to help you in that process. And that place may or may not be the physical, but this is a very dense vibrational area where accelerated growth (or even sometimes stagnation and reversal) can happen.

It is often said that those wishing to escape the physical plane will always return. Now why is that? It is because this desire shows our lack of understanding for this cycle and of the illusion. As hard as it may be to see, this is a miracle process, and to some beings, a most enviable one. You do have purpose here, but whether you'll see it or not, that depends.

And I must make one more comment about this place. It is hard. The right choices are not easy. But no matter how much we bemoan this place, it is full of opportunity, excitement and potential for we create our reality. If we were in a place, such as the higher astral, where all of our thoughts and desires were instantly manifested (and we were not ready), we would be bored to death, craving the earth cycle once more. I know because I've seen it. You might swear up and down that this does not apply to you, but I've seen a thousand times over where people who exist in comfortable and placid conditions eventually manifest their own conflict to ease their boredom and to accelerate their process.

The person who is ready to ascend, and stop reincarnating into this plane, will do so naturally. They will emanate love and light and their vibrations simply will not resonate with this plane anymore. They are not filled with resentment, desire for escape, or hopelessness. And if they are here to help others remember, they will often take on a habit or disability to lower their vibrations so that they can stay on this plane long enough to help bring awareness to those around them (which is why we should take extra care when dealing with people with physical disabilities, for they may be masters indeed!)

So will you personally be reincarnated back onto this plane? I cannot say for the answer lies in you, not me.

Anne

LOL, Justins. What about that makes you think you suck?

Because I do not want to return! According to the article, "It is often said that those wishing to escape the physical plane will always return. Now why is that? It is because this desire shows our lack of understanding for this cycle and of the illusion."

Justins,

Amongst those who are adherents of this kind of thing, there is a saying, "You can never get enough of what you don't want." It all has to do with resistance - "what you resist, persists."

Just have an attitude of acceptance that you're willing to do whatever you need to do. That will bring you closer to being who you need to be. You know, Jesus demonstrated that behavior for us when he, "Thy will be done." Accept it and don't resist it. You'll get where you want to be much more quickly if you do that.

Most of the books I've read have emphasized that we are here to learn to love. The more you are able to love others, the more likely it is that you will get to retire to heaven, sotaspeak. :lol: Jesus talked about that too. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

You know how if you pick a fresh orange and squeeze it, nothing comes out of it but orange juice? Well, when I have learned enough, I'll be like that orange. When life squeezes me, nothing will come out of me but love for others, and then I'll know I don't have any more lessons to learn. That's when I think I will be able to retire to heaven.  :D

I know this is going to sound really dumb.

 I dream of homes that I know very well. They are homes that I feel in my dreams have been my homes in a possible past life. I know these homes very well. They are not homes I have ever seen or lived in this life.

Some of these homes are quite beautiful. Some quite regular. One was a 2 room , dirt floor house. I know where everything sits but have never seen myself in any of these dreams but know I am there and it is my house.

I did see myself in one. This one was a nightmare. Did not see the inside of the house just me at front door getting some very bad news. I woke up crying. I later saw this house for real from the outside. It was for sale. I did not go look at it.

I fell in love with the Saint Louis, MO. area quite a few years ago. I wanted to move there when my DH retired. We wanted an older home to fix up. I had a few areas of town in mind.

 We looked at a few homes shortly before he retired. This home was in the Germantown area. I had already had this nightmare when we saw this house. I had told my DH when I had the nightmare. Never imagined I would see the house. In retrospect maybe I should have went in to see it. But when I told hubby it was the house I had seen in this dream he said No lets not even look at it. So we wound up staying where we were. A small town in Illinois. Not really a bad place to live. We just go to Saint Louis quite often.

Oh BT, I wanted to reply to your post about how you and hubby just knew you were for each other.

I met and married my husband in less than 2 months of meeting him. I did not plan on getting married. I was a good time party gal. I did not drink but loved to dance and flirt and just have fun.

When Hubby asked me to marry him a week after we met I said" no, when" When he said as soon as possible. I wound up saying yes. We set a date. As that date drew closer I was getting scared. I asked myself " Can you live the rest of your life with this man?" The answer was " Can you spend the rest of your life without this man?" That was my answer because I knew I did not want to spend the rest of my life without him.
Does that mean it has always been easy? Of course not. But we never quit loving each other.

Sam,

I have had that same experience of dreaming of the same houses over and over again. It's a little unnerving when it happens, I know.

There are so many strange experiences in my life that I can't explain unless there is reincarnation. When I was a small child I thought I lived in England. I was about 8 when my teacher in school was talking about the US, and I realized I didn't live in England. I was totally heartbroken. For years after that, I felt sooooo homesick. Most of my free time was spent looking at books about England and dreaming of being there. The aching didn't stop until I married Simon and started getting to visit England on a regular basis.

I also used to expect to see the ocean when I was a child. Every time I'd be out driving with my parents, I'd always think that over the next hill I'd finally see the ocean. Of course, there's not much ocean in Tennessee, so I was always disappointed. (And the strange thing is that I never actually saw the ocean until I was about 16.)

There was a tree in my parents back yard when I was child, and for some reason when I would look out the window at it, I would always expect to see three women in long dresses sitting under it. Just like with not seeing the ocean, I was always disappointed when I didn't see the women.

It's like I've spent a lot of this life missing the people and places in a life I've lived before. That's what got me interested in reincarnation to start with.

Sam,

I met my hubby when he came to the US on vacation. We hit it off immediately, and I took several days off work to show him around the area. It never occurred to me that we would have a romantic relationship, though, because I was 12 years older than him. We spent most of our waking hours together for several days, but never even smooched. When he went home to England, though, I really, really missed him. He called me when he got back home and I mentioned missing him. He said he wished I'd said something before he left, and that he missed me like crazy too. We arranged for me to go to England to visit him, and on that visit we started planning our wedding, LOL. It took several months for the fiance visa paperwork to go through, so we didn't get married right away, but we certainly hadn't known each other very long before the planning started.

Just as an aside, I've sometimes wondered if Elizabeth Barrett Browing believed in reincarnation.

SONNET #43, FROM THE PORTUGUESE
By Elizabeth Barrett Browning

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.
I love thee to the level of everyday's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I love thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise.
I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints!---I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life!---and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.

I've had those dreams of old homes, too.

BT~ It is not that I want to leave this world any sooner than whatever is "planned", only that I do not wish to return. At least not without a lengthy vacation between! LOL!

Seriously, my soul truly is weary of seeing the pain of others, especially when it is inflicted by or downright ignored by others. I try to do my part, and think that I likely am doing the best that I can, but it is not enough. If I were callous, it would not impact me as it does. Yet, if I were callous, I would not care sufficiently to take any action.

Justin had a wonderful pediatrician. That doc had warned me several months ahead of time that he planned to retire. The last time that we saw him, I literally begged him to continue his practice. He looked me in the eyes and said that he was tired, and that with me being in the health field, I knew what he meant. I stopped begging, and let the poor man go on without any further grief from me.

BT.
 What a nice story of your meeting your DH.

That poem by Elizabeth Barrett Browning does make you wonder. I think you may be right.

I think Justinsmama needs to find her soulmate. Lets keep our fingers crossed for her.

We went to a wedding in August. The sister of our dear DIL. Jeanne and Brian have been together for quite a few years. They always seemed like soulmates to me. When Jeanne walked down the aisle the music was "At Last" I love that song.

Justins

I understand exactly what you're saying. When you work with people in need, it wears you out quickly. We all act pretty goofy in the office where I work, but I think we do it as a reaction to all the bad stuff we hear. We work with 984 children who live in poverty, and so many of them have such sad stories. It's very draining to deal with.

I wasn't implying earlier that I thought you wanted to leave before your time. I was being a little bit tongue-in-cheek in what I said. The gist of it is that if there is such a thing as reincarnation, and you resist being reincarnated, then the resistance itself is the sign that you aren't ready to stop reincarnating. How confusing is that? LOL

The closer you are to be able to accept whatever happens, the closer you are to being, well, self-actualized for lack of a better term. I know, I know, it makes no sense. It's taken me many years of study to get this confused, I'll have you know.  :lol:

If the stories I've read are to be believed, there is a sort of "vacation" between lives. You go back to heaven, where "judgment" is actually just a review of what you accomplished in your most recent life and what you still need to accomplish. You then get together with your "family" group and plan for the next life together. When the time is right, you all head on back down to earth and try to achieve your goals.

I suppose the only way we'll know what is what is to experience it. And then, if there really is reincarnation, we'll just forget it all again! Who thought up that plan?  :lol:

Awww....what a nice wedding story. I love that song too!

I am so glad to hear I am not the only one to have the home dreams.

Now that the three of us have admitted it maybe others will join us and admit it also.

I still think it would be nice for Justinsmama to meet her soulmate in this lifetime. And it is not going to be Deetch or Easy even though they both have alot going for them. JMHO

I also know how hard both of your jobs must be but that is where the soulmate comes in. It makes it so much easier to deal with lifes trials and tribulations.

Hello there,

I also have the dreams of other homes so much so then right when I awake I go through this process of remembering the homes that I have lived in to realize that not in this lifetime have I lived in that home but I was so comfortable there.  Knew every niche.  

To my friends & family that I have discussed these dreams I have wondered if it meant it was time for a change or my wanting to uproot & look elsewhere.

I believe in reincarnation as well, although have done no studying on the subject.  I have a real attraction to rhinestones & dolling up, comfortable with men as friends to speak very openly & honestly even if I don't know them well, but not with my lover's so for many years I have believed that I was a prostitute or a madam, maybe both, in a previous life experience.

Really in this lifetime I'm a hippy, the rhinestones, etc don't match my lifestyle, but I love them, I collect them.  I find it very entertaining that this stuck with me, guess it's the vanity part & regarding the men part I am fine with men & enjoy them very much as people but I can not expect more than I believe is realistic from them & due to my belief that I can not overexpect without being disappointed have been accused by many as being a man hater, which I am not.  Well, enough of that, know I'll be back many times as still have a long way to go in my search.

I've enjoyed reading your posts, thank you for sharing.

I really shouldn't be here commenting since I share none of your views.

But I had to comment on the 'dreams of other homes'. I'm pretty sure that those can be explained by the memories a person gathers into their mind from day 1 thru 2 or 3yrs of age before one becomes self aware and understanding of themselves and start to sort out and explain what their memories are.

I really think a lot of those dreams are the mind dredging up stored memories of observations before the mind was able to understand what was being observed and now reviewing those memories.

Ya know we aren't born blind and our senses and memories are functioning all the time so those memories are being made even if, at the time, those observations/memories are not understood.

Hi Carnut,

You're allowed to comment here, even if you don't share the same views. Variety is the spice of life, you know.  :D

What you're saying about memories from earlier in life is quite possible - no doubt about that. If you had ever experienced one of those dreams, though, I think you'd agree that they aren't totally explained away by very early memories. One of the ones I've had my whole life involves going into something like a very dark little hovel. I go down some stairs, and there is an old woman sitting in a chair near a fire. I can't think of anywhere that I've ever been that even remotely resembles the place I keep dreaming about.

Lala's and I are planning to have a past-life regression done at some point. I'll let you know if I see you back there anywhere.  :lol:

Altruist - thanks for your post, and welcome to the club, LOL. I find everything you've said to be very interesting. As I just told Carnut, Lala's and I want to have a past-life regression session sometime in the future. Maybe we can get a discount for a group rate?  :lol:

Ok, have you ever gone back to your first grade school? Did you notice how everything was smaller? That's because your frame of reference in grade school was from being a little kid.

Now, do you remember your first memory or your first Christmas?

Now do you really think that your memories of your environment began just at that first memory or memory of a first Christmas? Don't you think you celebrated every Christmas since your were  born whether you remember it or not. Those pre remembering memories were stored from a point of view quite different from what you see now, when they come back into your mind. So you are interpreting them as no where you have ever been, but that's because those memories were seen differently then than what you understand now.

No, Carnut, I don't think my memories begin with what I can actually recall, but neither do I think my parents took me into a dark, smoky, underground hovel when I was a baby either.  :lol:

It's really hard to explain all this to you if you've never experienced it yourself. Kind of like trying to explain being in love to someone who never has been, LOL. It's okay if you don't agree with me. I'm not likely to change your mind and you're not likely to change mine. I can still hope you have a Merry Christmas, though, right?  :wink:

But what about SB?!  :wink:

Altruist, I so enjoyed your post.Yes welcome to the club.

I too love rhinestones and diamonds and pearls and OOPS ! fur. Very seldom wear any of those things. But like knowing I have them. Do you suppose maybe I was a madam too.?LOL  Or was that 2 room shack with the dirt floor in one of those past lives such poverty that it made me crave those things later?

Justinsmama I am now paying very careful attention to SB post. Of course one of the things that makes most of the guys on this Natalee forums is because we know they are caring people.

Hey Carnut are you listening? LOL

And Merry Christmas to all.

Ah, well, Sam, the man who is likely my soul mate just married someone else last summer. Very long story.

Yeah, the same thing seems to happen to me, wonder why that is.

Maybe you ticked them off in a past life and it's karma. :shock:  :shock:

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. :lol:

You know I wub you, Carnut. :wink:

Actually now in my retirement, which I never thought I would ever achieve even in my wildest dreams, I feel I have actually achieved ultimate nirvana and complete satisfaction. Not sure I could be any more thankful for my current station in life.

I did not bring an excerpt, I told you about this book on the Natalee forum the other night and thought I should mention it in here as well.

Knight in Shining Armor by Jude Deveraux involving time travel another one by her that I highly reccomend is Remembrance. Both are light hearted historical romance novels. Read Knight first though. I promise you will enjoy them even if you are not a believer in reincarnation.

Carnut I am glad you are enjoying your retirement. I have read your post so often and did not think you were old enough to retire. JMHO

Justinsmama, I am so praying for your dear Mom. Someday I am hoping you will tell us about your lost soulmate. Did he even have a clue you were interested in him?

Btgal , You know I always enjoy your post.
Altruist I hope you will join us again.

That begs the question...Can you have more than one soul mate in life? I hope so, because I missed my chance too. I'd like to hope someone else is out there.

This thread is so interesting. I'm going to do some research on reincanation now. I have never felt like I was reincarnated, or that I've been here before. Does that mean this is my first trip through life on Earth?

Well, when you think about the fact that there are more people alive on earth right now, than have ever lived throughout recorded history, I would think some folks might not have been able to get a reincarnation of their very own.

Carnut! You're getting the hang of this! :D
According to the experts, new souls are being created all the time, so for some people, their current life would be their first time around. Not all souls were created in some ancient past - some were created only today.

Pdh3 - according to those same experts, you plan your life before you come to earth and plan it in order to best learn the lessons you need to learn here. It's possible that you planned this one without necessarily feeling the need for a "soul mate." Conversely, maybe you planned it so that you wouldn't meet your soul mate until much later in life. The key is to relax and enjoy the life you have at the moment and expect your future to be a wonderful one. Expecting good things in life will help good things to happen for you. I'm so glad you've joined us on this thread.  :D

Has anyone here heard of Indigo Children? I don't remember everything, but what I do remember about them is that these are children born with " old souls" who are reincarnated to come back to Earth and do great things. Sort of like children with a very grown-up wisdom and purpose in life. My son has a friend whose mother swears he is an Indigo child. That's how I heard about them.

I do feel that I was born with an old soul, and I always knew things that other kids didn't, but I haven't done anything any more exceptional in life than anyone else. :oops:
I just never felt that I'd been here before. I  felt that I had some kind of sense or perception that my friends didn't have. I was always a leader and the one they came to for advice, even at an early age.

Does any of this make sense? :?

Makes sense to me, pdh3.

As for my soul mate~ No, he never had a clue, at least not until just before this wedding. Great friggin' timing on my part, huh? When I first met him, he had already been with the woman, who was to become his first wife, for about a year and a half. She died 3 years ago. He wore his wedding band for two years after she passed. About six months before he remarried, an old coworker contacted him, as she had lost her husband. They talked on the phone for a few months, and then she asked him out. It went from there. I made the comment that I had never had the opportunity to date him. Long pause... and then he said "But you were still drinking then". True enough, at the time we met (through work), I was on my last two (and worst) years of drinking. But he was also already with his future wife, so my drinking was a moot point. Saw him at a work related event recently, and we spent the whole day together. It was wonderful. I firmly believe that this guy is my soul mate, but the timing thus far has not been workable. It may not ever be in this lifetime. For now, he is with someone with whom he is apparently happy, and all of resources go to raising my son and my career. If he had been available when Justin was an infant or even a toddler, it may have been different. He was not, and at this point in Justin's childhood, I will allow no man that close to me.l

justins-

I just wanted to send you a big hug regarding your mom, I so hope all turns out well and I will be praying for you both sweet one.

soulmates are tricky things, I honestly hoped I'd found mine first time around but I was wrong, and he was a liar.

second time I did but justins like you, I questioned my judgment for my son was so young.......but took the leap of faith and now I know my son is a better man as a result of having known him. Our lives were richer, far richer, for having known him.

Pdh3 - I've read about Indigo children, but was under the impression that they're supposed to be unusually empathetic - sort of mind readers, in fact. I hadn't read about them being old souls.

It's possible, you know, that you could be an old soul, and have simply done a very good job of forgetting previous incarnations. The majority of people probably do. I don't know why some people seem to hang on to some remnants of memory and others don't. Back when I used to be afraid that reincarnation and Christianity couldn't mix, I used to try to come up with other explanations for the memories, but I never did find one that made any sense. By the way, did you know that early Christians apparently didn't have a problem with reincarnation? It wasn't until about 500 years after Jesus' death that it became an issue.

Hugs, None. I'm absolutely sure that Rick is still loving and protecting you and the children. And I'm also sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will see him again.

I am sure that Rick is doing so, too. I feel my father's presence while at the hospital. I swear that he is there.

I believe your father is there too, Justins. You know what the Bible says:

"Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends."

pdh3,

My ears are perked up! I'm an Indigo elder, one of the forerunners. My daughter is not Indigo but she thinks she is and that I am not. My oldest grandchild Joe is a Crystal. I don't usually bring this up because it is beyond most people's grasp and they think I'm nuts.

http://www.metagifted.org/

http://indigochild.com/

http://tinyurl.com/ocp2

You Monkeys didn't know you had a new age person on your hands, did you?

Louise,

I had read about Indigo children, but not adults. I read the description at the link you included, and I have to say that it sounds very uncomfortable. I think I prefer being the mousy, sissy wimp that I am. :oops: Being an Indigo adult sounds kind of skeery to me. How does it feel?

It is true, it's hard to tell others but even as they leave you, the love is the tether that binds and makes it bearable. I just hope Justin's mother doesn't suffer for I know that's her worry. That being said I think Rick lingered as he did for he wanted to, he fought to stay for as long as he could. So sometimes it truly is all out of our hands, and between our loved ones and God to decide.

Another link.

http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/

Another link.

http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/

Louise

I saw a picture of you once (taken off for safety) It's in your eyes.
Am reading all the links.

Hello to everyone! Will be back again

IBE

PS.. Louise did you ever have readings from Gladys Jones, a claryv. and mystic and how do you like the Bodhi Tree?

Thank you for starting this post!

By the way... I haven't pegged it yet and may never, but there is something "very high level of something" with all of the posters who are so talented getting together on SM regarding the Natalee Holloway case.

Already, common good has changed. Now more MSM are covering missing children, persons, and of course, what Beth is doing.

I like the Internet. I think it will be the historic event that brings liked-kind together over thousands of miles and where we will probably never get to meet in "real life". The Internet has its dark side too, but I think the goodness of it will win out.

IBE~ I agre that there is something high level with the monkeys.

Louise~ You are very special. It has its benefits and drawbacks, I'm sure. Gonna read more of the links when I have the chance. I'm going to work today. No calls last night, so I'm hoping that today will go well for my mumsydoodle.

justins - I am praying for your mother, and for you. God Bless you both.

Louise - thanks for the links. I will read them over the next few days. It's such an interesting subject!

I am so glad to see the newbies that have joined us.

Louise, I doubt if you are the only Indigo adult on this forum. There maybe others who also are keeping that secret.

Nonesuch, I think Rick also stayed because he knew you and the family were not ready to let go. I am so glad you had him for as long as you did.

I have not been on to reply to someone who the comment is not on this page. Although you may only have one true soulmate in a lifetime, I do think it is possible that you can still find love again with someone who can make you happy. Of course that can happen to you too Justinsmama. I could also be wrong, maybe there really is more than 1 soulmate.

Interesting little story. My hubbies sis just older than him was married had 2 children. She divorced hubby because he was an alcoholic. Their daughters were both young children. She did not even date because she was taking no chances of another failure. 2 years ago she took a New Years cruise with some female friends. She met a man who was a divorcee. He had been married 49 years when he divorced. Had been alone for 2 years. They fell in love on the cruise. Both in there 70's. Married less than 2 months later. They are both so happy. It is so nice to see. They both believe they are soulmates. So sometimes it just takes awhile. So keep the faith.

Yes Ibe , I do believe the Internet has the potential for much good.

ok I went back and read, the poster I could not think of her name was PDH3.

Dear IBE,

Your avatar is the cutest one I've ever seen ... you are wrapped up in the Xmas box and ribbon. IBE, I've only had one reading in my life by a woman I worked with at Xerox. She read my chakras. She said the top of my head is blown off and that chakra has ceased to exist. I have been to the Bodhi Tree bookstore many times. A very nice place. Currently I buy my books through Amazon, don't think I've been in a bookstore for years.

With Love, Louise

Sam,

Do you really think there are other Indigos on this forum? That would explain a lot of things regarding our insight and intensity towards finding an answer to Natalee's case, as well as answers about life in general. I think we are a FABULOUSLY dedicated group and bring everything we each have to the table to discuss and consider.

Love you.

Maybe because it comforts me to believe it.....but I think that maybe you can have more than one soul mate, because life changes you as you move through it. I am not the same person I was when I was 25, or even 35. Just having children will make profound changes in anyone's life.
Maybe the guy who appealed to me in college will not spark my interest now...who knows? But the things I want from life now are vastly different than what I wanted when I was a much younger woman. The men I am attracted to now are a little different too. My soul has taken a few hits, so I have to look at love from a different perspective now.

I hear ya loud and clear on the "evolution" of Mr. Right!

PDH3 - I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that you're right. I think there is always the possibility for love and happiness in our lives if we keep our minds and hearts open to them.

Justinsmom  Thank you for starting this post. Am holding good thoughts for your mom and family

IBE

HARNESSING ENERGY

This may sound strange but I have engaged one facet of metaphysics to alleviate pain. I don't have any training, it is all in the power of my mind when it decided to embrace another direction.

I have arthritis/bursitis in my bones. I take meds. When I hit the sack ... no problem, I fall asleep with no pain. I wake up at 3 a.m. with pain in my lower back, hips, shoulders and ribs and I could toss and turn until morning without getting any sleep. So I took an imaginary trip in my mind. Remember Tinkerbell and how she had a wand that sprinkled a stream of little glittery stars? So, in my mind I have collected a huge stash of Tinkerbell's glittery stars which I call "Pixie Dust." This is a very powerful healer. As I lie in bed with aching joints, I imagine pixie dust being sprinkled on my sore joints. Within seconds, the pain fades. When I have a mega painful whatever, I imagine the pixie dust in a liquefied form and have it poured over the pain. Then the pain subsides.

This is but one very small incident. It works for me. I previously had no particular affection for Peter Pan and Tinkerbell so I have no clue where it came from.

It's the imagery, Louise! And it works!

If anyone is interested in reading about past life regression, Brian Weiss has some good books. Also, I just started reading one called "Reliving Past Lives" by Helen Wambach. I haven't gotten very far into it, but it seems pretty good so far.

I have questions for those of you who are knowledgable about reincarnation.....How does it fit in with trying to improve our present lives?  Is this life we are experiencing now somewhat predetermined? Are we rewarded or punished for past lives, and the things we did then? I'm a little confused by different philisophies of what's gone on before, and what we can do in life right now.

pdh3, Even though I believe in reincarnation I do not have the answers you seek.

I do not think our lives are completley predetermined. If that were the case why would anyone want to bother? I do think we can all help our current situations by trying to be the best we can be with what we have to work with.

Another strange thing in thinking about possible past lives. We know that years ago most marriages were arranged marriages. We also know that alot of these marriages became happy and successful marriages. Why is that? Was it because parents tried to pick good spouses for there children?

Louise, I think what you are doing is self hypnosis to relieve your pain.. JMHO

Another strange thing in thinking about possible past lives. We know that years ago most marriages were arranged marriages. We also know that alot of these marriages became happy and successful marriages. Why is that? Was it because parents tried to pick good spouses for there children?

Most parents want the best for their children, and wanting your child to have a happy, fulfilling life is every parent's wish. We all know that as we age, wisdom comes along with our life experiences. We learn a lot about life and people and what is true and valuable in life. We learn what true character is, and we experience heartbreak along the way.
Having said all that, this is what those earlier parents brought to the table when choosing a spouse for their children. They looked at financial stability, the family of the potential spouse, occupation of the male candidates, health, and general reputation in the community. The young men's families also tried to determine the fertility of the young woman, based on family history, and general health. Families back then had a common goal - pick the best match possible for financial gain and continuance of family bloodlines. This is what meant happiness to them back then - security instead of personal fullfillment.
If you think about it, most of these are factors in a happy marriage. Many marriages today fall apart from financial problems, in-law issues, and different life goals. When we are young, we aren't always the best judge of who is right and good for us in the long run. We have little experience of life's ups and downs. Earlier parents knew this, so it made sense for them to choose, based on what they knew, because there was no divorce. It was a huge decision, and young people were not qualified to make it back then. But sometimes, parents did make selfish choices for themselves, married their children off for their own gain, and their children were miserable.

My stepfather was a wonderful man. He never met his own father because he was killed in a mining accident 3 months before Daddy was born. Then his Mother died when he was around 14. He was left his Fathers family bible as well as some other documents.

As a child I studied these documents and the family tree stuff in the Bible. Even though it was not my own biological family. I think that is where my love of geneology began. So discovered Daddy's Grandfather was married 4 times. His first 2 marriages were to twin sisters. Each died in childbirth  a year after marriage and so he married the next. His 3rd marriage was to aonther sister of the first 2. He finally got a winner and she gave him 12 children. Two sets of twins. They were married many years and Martha died and in his old age he married another widow.

What I was getting at was Benjamin was such a good man he was admired enough that his inlaws allowed him to marry 3 of their daughters.
He also loved Martha and she him, I believe. There children were also all good people.JMHO

pdh3 - I only know what I've read, but I'll be glad to share that with you.
I've read a zillion books on the subject, and most of them agree on a few concepts.

We plan our next life when we are in heaven. Although we have basic plans, we are not "preordained" to stick to those plans. For instance, if a person's most recent life was violent, that person might come to earth again with a determination to learn to be peaceful. However, once reincarnated, the old tendency toward violence might spring forth again, and so the person leads a life of violence again. According to the books, if the person needs to learn to be less violent, he/she will keep reincarnating into circumstances that will allow the person to learn peacefulness, until that lesson is in fact learned. Once the lesson of peacefulness is learned, then perhaps the person will work on being more generous in the next life. The books say we keep reincarnating until we learn all the lessons our souls need to learn. Once we are as close to perfect as human beings can get, then we can remain in heaven.

Thanks!  You gave a very clear and concise explanation. It makes sense to me now. I have a lot to ponder about this subject over the weekend.

Hello BT,

I loved your below post. You explain clearly and simply why we reincarnate over and over until we reach something like Nirvana. Really, BT, no one ever explained it that well to me. Thanks so much.  

Hippo Gnu Deer,
Louise



We plan our next life when we are in heaven. Although we have basic plans, we are not "preordained" to stick to those plans. For instance, if a person's most recent life was violent, that person might come to earth again with a determination to learn to be peaceful. However, once reincarnated, the old tendency toward violence might spring forth again, and so the person leads a life of violence again. According to the books, if the person needs to learn to be less violent, he/she will keep reincarnating into circumstances that will allow the person to learn peacefulness, until that lesson is in fact learned. Once the lesson of peacefulness is learned, then perhaps the person will work on being more generous in the next life. The books say we keep reincarnating until we learn all the lessons our souls need to learn. Once we are as close to perfect as human beings can get, then we can remain in heaven.

BT is a wonderful communicator. :)

Awwww....thanks to pdh3 and Louise.

All I'm doing is repeating what I've read. I kind of had to break it all down for myself so that I could understand it, so I'm glad if it's helped you too.

Dear BT,

I know the exact place you should go to discuss past life regressions, reincarnation and everything related to those metaphysical subjects. Go to this site: http://www.metagifted.org/  

The site owner is Wendy H. Chapman. I have had one reading by her about my chakras (cost about $20) and she was right on. Click on the subjects along the left side of the screen. You can join various groups. Metagifted@yahoogroups.com. Indigo-Adults-moderated@yahoogroups.com, From there you can find Indigo Parents, Indigo Children, etc. You will find this very rewarding.

I always felt there was something extra special about you and I now think you may be an Indigo forerunner (we are early Indigos). Please check it out. Email me if you have any problems. I've belonged to these groups years before Natalee disappeared.

With love,
Louise

Louise....what are chakras? I know so little about this subject.

Louise,

Thank you so much for the information. I will definitely check it out. And thanks for saying there is something extra special about me.  :D I would love to be an Indigo forerunner.

Good Evening pdh3,

I believe you are correct that I am doing some sort of self hypnosis regarding using the pixie dust to alleviate pain. I don't know how it works, but it does work.

About chakras, I am not well versed on the subject. I just have a slight understanding. Apparently there are about seven areas of our bodies called chakras which are areas of energy and balance in our lives. I've enclosed three links below.

The first time I heard about chakras was when I was working at Xerox from 1984 to 1994. I went out to lunch with one of my coworkers named Laurie Grapentine and she told me she was a "reader." What she talked about was way over my head. She said she would do a free reading for me in my apartment. I brought her home from work with me (her boyfriend picked her up later), I cooked dinner and then we sat down. She sat on the sofa and had me sit on a dining room chair facing her. She was quiet and thoughtful. She did not go into any crazy or weird state. She was still Laurie and in her Laurie voice told me things. I wrote everything down afterwards but cannot find it now.

She said my crown chakra (top of the head) is completely blown off like a bomb destructed it. She said most people who lose that chakra have cancer. She said events regarding my father destructed that chakra and she was amazed that I'm living without a crown chakra. Next she said that my solar plexus chakra was out of whack and although I gave birth to two children, my baby making chakra had disappeared. She said my heart chakra was extremely damaged. And so on. What she said resonated with me. However, I'm still hesitating about buying what she said. I have no way to know for sure.

Right now I'm worn out. xxxooo

http://www.sacredcenters.com/chakras.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

http://www.crystalinks.com/chakras.html

Guess we have to do the testing until we get an A+ with God!

Happy New Year all,

IBE

Thanks Louise for the links. And you have given us another interesting story! :D

I have so much to study on these subjects. Whether I ultimately believe in them or not, I welcome the opportunity to broaden my horizons and look at life from a different point of view. And who knows? I might welcome a new philosophy in my belief system. I believe God gives us intelligence, and he is pleased when we seek answers.

Very interesting stories and a different view to add here.  I am somewhat skeptical of reincarnation, I guess because my faith (independent Baptist) is very against it.  Don't get me wrong, I am not judging here, just offering my own opinion.  I am curious though, because I know most of you believe in God and have very strong faiths,  can somebody point me to the Bible where it speaks of this?

Thank you for the interesting topic.  :wink:

Hi Dihannah1,

Interestingly enough, I grew up in a family of Independent Baptists as well, although now I am Episcopalian.

As far as I know, there are no Biblical passages that directly address reincarnation. Some people cite Jesus' comments regarding John the Baptist being Elijah to indicate that he taught reincarnation. However, the passage is ambiguous and can be taken to mean many different things.

I personally don't see a conflict between Christian teachings and the concept of reincarnation. However, I know many people do feel uncomfortable with the idea.

I'm copying Tibro's post from last night into this thread so we can continue our discussion.


Tibrogargan



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BTgirl wrote:
Tibrogargan wrote:
BTgirl wrote:
Tibro

I noticed your sig line. Do you like Edgar Cayce? I'm currently reading a book about him.


Yes I do like him. Is the book you are reading called "There is a River" by Thomas Sugrue? I think the later ones published may have had that title as a sub-title.


This is one first published in 1950 - Many Mansions by Gina Cerminara


Yep that is a good book, too. Try and get the other one to read also.
Also other good ones are Edgar Cayce's story of the Origin and Destiny of Man. by Lytle Robinson, and Edgar Cayce's Story of Jesus. Do not say anything that would upset anyone's faith but gives a much fuller explanation of things than what we can obtain from usual sources.
Didn't someone have a thread for this sort of info ? Might have to fire it up again?
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BT Thank you for renewing this thread.  I am not ignoring it - just that I have been busy.  As we plan to be away over Easter I will be able settle down after then and can continue this discussion with you.  In the meantime - keep reading.  :wink:  :wink:

US CAPITOL MIRACLE CONTINUES

News... | 30 Maart 2007 | 05:23:44
 
The Miracle of the peace sign appearing on the lawn of the US Capitol continues. If you haven't heard the entire story, on Sunday, March 25, James Twyman focused a peace ceremony commemorating the Season For Non-Violence in Washington, DC. During the ceremony, which was held on the west lawn of the US Capitol, the "Children's Cloth of Many Colors" (for more info on this amazing project please visit www.communitiesofpeace.org) was laid gently on the grass in the form of a giant peace sign, and the ceremony took place in the center.
The next day the sponsor of the event, Gerry Eitner, received a concerned phone call from the US Capitol Police saying that the grass where the cloth lie was now discolored, leaving an enormous peace sign on the lawn.
 
This morning the police department called back with more information. They believe that some type of fertilizer attached to the quilt caused the discoloration. In reality, however, there was nothing attached to the Children's Cloth except the prayers of those present at the ceremony, as well as thousands of people from around the world. Subsequent calls to professional lawn care companies indicated that there is currently nothing on the market that would cause such a sudden overnight change. In fact, witnesses reported that the "peace sign grass" is actually longer and greener than the rest of the lawn.

Has a miracle visited the US Capitol? If so, then what is the message?
From James Twyman:
"I believe that this miracle was caused by two factors. First of all, there were hundreds of thousands of people focusing on the Capitol ceremony while it was taking place. At one point we actually held hands around the peace sign and called upon the energy of all those people from around the world, feeling their presence around the quilt with us. The intent of so many people can be a powerful energetic force and seems to have catalyzed a change in the actual earth causing the grass to grow greener and longer overnight. Second, I believe that in some way and for some reason the earth is literally giving us a sign. This is a critical point in the history of the world. If we don't begin turning our thoughts and actions toward peace, for both humanity and the environment, a deep crisis may be around the corner. For me the peace sign on the lawn of the US Capitol is both a warning and a symbol of hope. I'm hoping we'll listen and begin working for peace."
 
Photos of the grass as well as the peace ceremony will be online later today or tomorrow.

Leave it to capitol authorities to be concerned about higher, greener grass in the form of a peace sign! You'd think it was the devil's mark.  :roll:

I can't find photos of this yet but looking forward to those, I really do wish God would just swoop down and make all the war go away, we need miracles.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/peaceflowrsm.gif)

Oh, nonesy, I do, too. Healing is desperately needed, worldwide.

I have found a photo of the peace sign left in the lawn at Capitol Hill.

Go to www.emissaryoflight.com which is the website of James Twyman.

Under his picture with a guitar on Home page there is another picture of him  singing  and to the side is a Heading : US Capitol Miracle? for more info and pictures = click here.  It takes you to some photos and one shows where the sign has been.

WOW!! That is soo cool !! I am sure with so much positive energy focused in that quilt no wonder it left a lasting impression!! Wow!! I swear the government needs to get a friggin reality check sometimes . It was probably the environmentalists afraid that the grass being a diff color would kill any spotted owl nearby. :roll: