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WOW!  I am in at long last.

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
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I hope those who are shut out will see this.  It took me a while, but I am a slow learner. :lol:

Hi Tyler and Leslie - they'll get in.  This thread should be fine now!

im in

like a robotic lobster  :lol:    :lol:  8)  8)

Thanks, Klaas and please give our best and thanks to Tom and The Reds.  Would like to hear how Mrs. Red's dad is doing.

I will.

The Red's have been very busy the past few days.  Mrs. Red has been visiting with her dad.  Hopefully we'll get an update on her dad today.  If I hear anything I'll let you all know.

Afternoon :)    Wanted to tell you all to have a Merry Christmas. Have a busy few days coming up here.
 Hope all the sicky people feel beter and will keep you in my prayers.

 and Elaine I love yah too chicky.. I tryed to post back to you and Klaas on the last thread.. but it had a boo boo.  lol

Merry Christmas to you too Angie!  Yes the previous thread had a problem.

  Thanks Klaas ~!  :)

No kidding!  I logged on, saw only the thread that was already on page 50.  I jumped in to get the last word, like on those Fox news shows and it was already locked.  But there was no new thread!  I didn't know where to go or what to do!   But as usual, Klaas came through.   :wink:

You probably caught me right in the middle of setting up this thread, lol  :lol:

Just wanted to pop in to wish everyone a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!!  Hope you and yours get all that you wish for for the coming year!! :)

Same to you thirdstrike!  Merry Christmas!

I'm just hanging around listening to the podcast of last night's Radio show.  I thought some good points were made, especially Dana's comments on Greta not interviewing Joran as though he were a suspect in a murder case.  Nancy vs. Melinda is a sharp contrast.   I like that Mike said the victim's story in many crime stories gets lost in the investigation and trial.

Snuff, Snuff.......... :(

There you are! I was lost without you guys!!

They've dropped the rape charges against the Duke guys?

Glad it's back up.  Suspected something was hanging it up on page 27 on that other thread.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I DID'NT DO IT!

Did I?  :cry:

DISTRICT ATTORNEY DROPS RAPE CHARGES AGAINST THREE DUKE PLAYERS, DEFENSE LAWYER SAYS

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more

Nah you didn't do it crazy.  I want it to go on record I didn't do it either I was good today so far :lol: .

We're going to get snow the day AFTER Christmas. I hope that all of the monkeys that are logically eligable, will have a White, Safe Christmas!

You're just doing last minute assurances for Santa's list, San!  :wink:  :lol:

Apparently one of the investigators working with the DA interviewed the victim and she told him she could not testify with certainty that she was raped.

Speaking of white Christmas's, my son lives in Colorado.  Yesterday all the highways were closed and the businesses shut down.  My son told me it took them 4 hours just to clear their driveway.  They normally get snow where they are but usually only a few inches and it melts right away:

This is a photo of their driveway from yesterday.

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Note:  I removed their address numbers from their house and license plate number, LOLOL  :lol:

Hi my dear monkey friends!

I've been busy trying to maintain my sanity and have only popped in to read a little here and there.

Thanks for asking about me None, sweetie. I'll be back shortly.

I wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and a wonderful new year!

Happy Chanukah, Lousie!

That doesn't look like that's going to melt right away, Klaas, so they'll have time to enjoy it this time! Are you going to be with them for Christmas?

Good to see you Memphis!  Merry Christmas to you too!

CBB - no, not this year.

I wish I had snow like that here.

Just how in heck can we all go visit them when in the area if you do that, Klaas!   :shock:

Just kidding. . . . .

Glad the Forum is back!  

Going to see if I get snow the Day after Christmas like CBB!  I want snow so badly but not that much.  And I would just stay home I think, call in or whatever before I would shovel that driveway!  That is just too much to move by hand.

..

Then they'll have to mail you some snow!  :wink:

Pretty to look at but a pain to shovel, lol.  Plus neither one could go to work yesterday.  My DIL works in Denver too which is a bit of a drive for her.  All the main highways were closed yesterday but I imagine are open today.

They're saying on Fox that this case is going to go away. It will never get to trial.

The Duke case or NH case?

Duke case, not Natalee's!

Hi Klaas!
I like son's house.  :D  Wish we had snow and not 50 degree weather.  :?

I heard the roads were open but they say not to use them except in emergencies.  

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Gotta run out, but I'll be back. I'm glad you're here for me to come back to!!!!

This is why my sister invested in a snowblower a couple of years ago.  It was the best investment she ever did.  All we had to do is dress my nephew up and throw him outside and he took care of the rest.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock: Are we talking drugs or mental illness?  Some of the stories put out there about the woman made me think she had some psychological problems.  Then again, one doesn't know how accurate these stories are when you first hear them.

Me too, except the shoveling the driveway part!  :wink:

I live north of Montreal and don't have anywhere near the usual amount of snow just frozen grass and I LOVE it!  Any day that I can drive off my property without having to shovel snow is a GREAT day.

I'm eligable and I'm also eligible!  But it's raining here.  Still.  The sun almost came out an hour ago, but the clouds came rolling in.   :x 47 degrees C.

How can the charges of kidnapping and sexual offence still stand in the Duke rape case.

Merry Christmas to all the Monkeys

See ya in a week or so

Hi All-

I'm not surprised regarding the Duke case, I leaped on that bandwagon Nifong started and now regret it, they can't even find any of the players DNA on the victim. Nifong has played this badly, how he got elected is beyond me.

Klaas, WOW what snow !! Here in the southeast we never see piles like that except for one snow back in 97 or 98, but it was a fun one  :D

I had to post a few photos for you, Klaas I hope you laugh at this one just as much as I did  :lol:

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and here's the Klaas Emergency Gift Pak, tea and sympathy for she takes such good care of all of us  :D

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Memphis glad to see you too sweetie and many {{{ HUGS }}}

oh and I received an email from Mrs Red about two days ago, she's very sad but she's keeping her faith and treasuring this xmas with her Dad. I know she appreciates all of our prayers and concerns for her.

okay you promised not to lean over any railings on that cruise, remember?  :lol:

Merry Christmas Yap !!!  :D

Merry Christmas to you too Yap.  Enjoy your trip.

Merry Christmas everyone and Happy Chanakuh to our Jewish Monkeys.

Just dashing by to post a couple of things:

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I think somebody was asking about this on the previous thread.

Also, don't forget, we aim to make this guy eat his words:

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Hey San & Appeals !

amazing how arrogant that king of bling is  :roll:

Yapperz, have a safe and wonderful trip.

None, those cookies are absolutely wonderful.  Makes my 2 loaves of pumpkin bread look pretty amateurish by comparison :)

Afternoon Monkeys, glad I'm in........

That's a great Picture Klaas. That snow is what i wnat for Christmas, but I guess that's not likely. :roll:

:lol:  :lol:  :lol: OMG, I'm in tears!!! ROFLMAO
 
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Well, both of them.  Satish is Bling and Deepak's arrogance to say there's not a thing anybody can do about his being out of jail speaks volumes.  Well, we will see how the cases in CA play out.  Maybe he willl end up eating his words.

Anna, Klaasend & AZLady:

I appreciate that fact that others went to Aruba and "searched for Natalee"
I can only speak for myself....

I only mentioned Lorenzo and Aruba to point out my post about the shirt.

I had posted that in front of Lorenzo's house in the bushes
was an XXL athletic shirt...Nistleooy #9.....Joran's favorite Soccer player?

I went to Aruba with some "out of the box" ideas....
For the family & for myself to investigate.
Turns out...just about everything we did there was "dangerous"
From the Moko area to our car getting getting stuck in Arikok Park

I saw:
Lorenzo, his house & ranch
Yes, there are parties at his house
Yes, Paulus was seen visiting Astrid right after Natalee's disappearance.
If you saw Lorenzo, you would say he looks 'just like Paulus'

Accidently, saw Deepak at the CyberZone Cafe
(He helped me get online)
Jaime...Our busboy at Tony Roma's
Jossy...The afternoon before his heart attack at the Diario
Art Wood...Met us at the Holiday Inn
We wanted to tell someone about the "burial site" we found in Arikok Park

My trip was not "about me"...But, rather my search for Natalee.
At this time, no one was aware of who Lorenzo was.  His house could have been the crime scene. There was a "party" at Lorenzo's that Sunday night...Max Arends was there....Max's alibi.

Why is it that everyone is entitled to their opinion & I respect others opinions...Yet, my opinion is not respected?

Appeals-

homemade is never amateur, we're hoping the fact we use no preservatives in our cookies is going to matter to customers, but trust me I do not put this much effort into my cranberry bread or my pecan pie and I like that they look homemade just like your pumpkin bread !  :D  This stuff is for show !

Klaas !! Little None came up with that one but I have to admit I added the blue eyes and the plump little nose  :lol:  :lol:

I can't stay long, but I was reading some old stuff this morning and happened to find this ..........I know that the witnesses have been discredited and all, but  the more I think about it, it seems a possibility that the initial burying place for Natalee may infact have been the dump? I don't think they ever were at the beach......

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JOE HUSTON, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  Yes, we were given information that Joran and the two Kalpoe brothers buried Natalee in one or two different spots in the landfill.  The information we received came from another source.

We went out there and checked it out today.  We have two different spots we need to look at.  Some of the information the individual gave us turned out to be correct, from the standpoint of towels and other pass keys that were found in the same location. And our intent tomorrow is to get a backhoe or a front-end loader in there and dig through the different areas and see if we can‘t find any evidence about what exactly happened to Natalee.

SCARBOROUGH:  Mr. Huston, this is shocking news, also.  I will tell you what.  The dominoes really seem to be falling right now in Aruba.  What can you tell us about this witness, and why would a witness wait eight weeks, eight weeks, to tell us that he or she saw Natalee buried at this landfill?

HUSTON:  It‘s my understanding that the witness is—was worried about what would happen to him if he told the truth or came up with the information.  And it‘s because of that...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8756707/

I have reviewed Dr Phil's comments on video replay again when he had Beth on last week, he seems far too committed and passionate to be quaking about the K2 so I have a feeling Klaas may soon need to add the K2 to that Renfro toast photo  :lol:

I had wanted to highlight  this : standpoint of towels and other pass keys

Ever notice how much "Holloway" and "Holiday" sound alike from the next room?  Twice lately I have scampered to hear the TV for it only to be some sort of seasonal greeting.

. :?

Florida - you opinion and information is respected.  Just don't expect to get constant "pats on the back".  Everyone here has contributed to this case in their own way.

BB,
What is he saying with that?  Is he saying they got a hit on some towels from the search dogs?  Or does he mean just random towels and passkeys?

. :shock:

I see what you mean...Another rumorfrom Aruba was that Deepak was seen early on entering the building under construction across the street from C&C....

Joe Tacopina just said what the prosecutor is doing in the Duke rape case is a true injustice to true rape victims.

He then says you don't have a right to be raped not matter what your true walk of life is.

Joe Tacopina is a scumbag.

In no way am I looking for "pats on the back"
I was just pointing out the shirt in the road post.
Absolutely, we all contribute in some way!

I think you and Anna are misreading me.....

it will be interesting as joe t's own daughters grow up and likely encounter some close calls themselves, how he feels - karma can be a you-know  :roll:

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Merry Christmas, Monkeys!

I have always taken it to mean that they found 2 towels and and a pass key from the HI there. I have paid attention to this info since learning it, and it has been confirmed by Dave that those items were found there, anything more about them I have not heard.

Does anyone else remember reading about the towels and pass key?

I know that Aruban LE got very nervous whenever anyone was searching in the dump which is what lead me to also wonder if there wasn't something more to this. They would always want to direct searchers back to the water, IMO

From your keyboard to God's ears  :D

Merry Christmas to all Monkeys :D I am sooo very happy that finally something maybe something is proceeding with this case :D

Would love to hang out here further, but have things to do...

sleigh to pack...

Santa suit, pick up at dry cleaners...

Work out in anticipation of all those cookies and milk....

Give the reindeer their baths.....  :lol:

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH DIRECTOR: Well, thanks for having me here tonight. You know, I`ve got mixed emotions on that. Of course, there`s that big question mark out there still, What did happen to Natalee? I know our efforts -- you know, we walked away and felt as though that, you know, we didn`t accomplish any more than we did when we got there. You know, I`m still real concerned about the dump. There`s some things we`re actually working with right now and...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ng.01.html

 Good luck. I just got back myself . YIKES!

Just popped in to wish all the Monkeys a Merry Christmas!!  Gotta run now.

GRETA VAN VAN SUSTEREN: What did you see?

JUNIOR: There were three who came before in a pickup truck. Then one was already there on the field. Then this other man and a woman along with two gentlemen in the back came. Yes, there was a woman--a woman who was brunette. There were two men in the back on the Jeep; also, there was a yellow car there.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time of day?

JUNIOR: This happened, well, at the time I saw them bury her it turns out that was the body of Natalee, the girl. At that time I thought it was just a tree--a coconut tree. That is what I thought. She was wrapped in plastic--covered in plastic--but there was a breeze and the bag sort of fell half way off and I saw half the body naked. It was a black plastic bag, and the woman was wearing no clothes. She had no clothes on. She was naked, just half her body I saw. I was by myself at that time at the place where we dump the garbage. How far? I was approximately seventy-five to eighty meters away. This was afternoon--4:30, 5:30--between 4:30 and 5:30. I, I felt there was something wrong, but more people kept coming from nearby. There was another car with a woman. The yellow car had a woman there, too, so, I thought there was nothing… Total, there were three cars; the pickup with the small trailer in the back, then there was a Jeep, and a yellow station wagon.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did he first call anybody about it?

JUNIOR: I called the Police, …that was… that happened on Monday or Sunday because at that time the picture of the guys they were looking for had not been published in the paper yet. That is right. And then I recognized them immediately when I saw the picture. I felt--one day later I called the Police. I was saying, you know, you just want to call, and call, and call, and call--day and night--I kept calling but I kept getting a tape.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his level of certainty?

JUNIOR: Am I certain?  Yes, I am really sure.  That is why I think, today, “I’m sure, I’m sure. I have no doubt in my mind.” Yes. Also the father, I believe, yes, yes. Also him. I was even more sure it was this girl because now there were two cars. The Police have two cars--the red Jeep, which… I saw that. I saw that because the red Jeep was fine, but that came later, that was the next day. I was near the place where she was buried--may she rest in peace. I was there, maybe, nine days later.

VAN SUSTEREN: If there were three, does the father make four, or, is the father one of the three?

JUNIOR: The father came in the Jeep. He got out of the car. He was standing there and he was pointing and asking things. I was working, you know, but he was far and he was talking. I was just working and looking. He kept asking if everything was okay. Yes, they asked him. I thought that they were asking him, that is what I thought they were doing, asking him, “Where? Where?”

VAN SUSTEREN: Have the Police interviewed him [JUNIOR; my insertion] yet?

JUNIOR: The Police they have come to me and I pointed them to the place and they went for my message but never got it. They did not come back. This was in my mind and kept bothering me. I said this all to a friend of mine who lives nearby. I told her what happened and I said, "No one believes me."

VAN SUSTEREN: What, exactly, did he see of the body?

JUNIOR: Half body. I saw half the body and the hair flying in the wind--blowing in the wind. Then I was for sure because had it have been a coconut tree, then we would have seen the roots of it. You could see that, you know, it would move, but her hair was blowing. I saw half her body and it was naked. She was like this (demonstrating posture), with her legs like this.

http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

Bleached..

  TY for posting this.. I dont know why but earlier I was thinking about that Junior person. Interesting to read your post about Tim Miller and then that.

JUNIOR: There were three who came before in a pickup truck. Then one was already there on the field. Then this other man and a woman along with two gentlemen in the back came. Yes, there was a woman--a woman who was brunette. There were two men in the back on the Jeep; also, there was a yellow car there.

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What this brings to mind is thae picture of that white pickup truck out behind the VDS house dumped in Moco.



BBL I have to run to the store .......

BACK!  Told you I'd be back quick!  :lol:

 Holy Crap.. you must have speed shopped? No lines?
I had to run to Walmart.. OMG it SUCKED!!!! and I HATE to shop..!!

Klaas,
Do you live in a Department Store??   :shock: Took me that long to read the posts!!


BLEACHEDBLACK


For sure there was something at the dump.  They had no dozers or anything to help dig but would not renew the permit and then suddenly had the equipment to fill in the holes which they did.  No way would anybody have bothered if they were not hiding something.

Why not just let them dig, after all, its a dump!  And then the fire two days after TES left, was it set to burn the area where whatever was there?  Like you, I have always thought towel, clothing, the silver necklace, passkey or something was there.

And now that we can see for sure there was a coverup, which witnesses do we believe and which do we not.

Very odd how two or three of the only witnesses happened to be named Carlos Ramos, too.  The gardener and the one they discounted who said he saw somebody like Joran swim out in the water with a body.  Same name.  I know that is a common name but there were I think a total of three witnesses all named Carlos Ramos and none with any other name.
Why would all three have the same name.  Looks like at least one would have had a different name like Jose Garcia or some other common name.


JMO

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Well, I am the queen of speed shopping, but this time I went to Lowes so not as crowded  :lol:

LO Lowes must be close by!! :)

I have a Lowes, Walmart, Radio Shack, Staples, Michaels...etc and 2 grocery stores all within a mile or two of my house.  Once I get to the store however, I am the queen of speed shopping.  Get what I'm going for and leave.  No dilly dallying around for me, lol  :lol:   I actually hate to shop!

You are my kinda gal Klaas.. I do the same thing..
grocery shopping with me is hilarious.. I have the aisles memorized so I can just zip on through. I hardly stop my buggy.  ROFL
  Ihave the same stores close to me as well.. but our Super Walmart here is always busy.. but worse at holiday time. PLUS finding a parking space?
 Heck I may as well just walked from my house. Its raining here.. had to park a mile away. Guess I am not sweet.. cause I didnt melt.   ROFL!

VMS or Anyone,

Does anyone have a photo of Dihlma Arends?  We were just identifying people for no particular reason last night and she is one I have never been able to id in a photo.

TIA!

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Anna - I'm searching now

Anna, I remember seeing a couple of pictures of her, early on, but I don't have one saved.  Didn't see one in the who's who thread, either.  Will look around, unless Santa Klaas has it! :D

In looking for her photo I found this article that I had forgotten about.  Interresting that Dilma dropped out of site early on in the case:

Dilma Arends tells O’Reilly of cell phone usage…says Joran home at 4 A.M. per records of cell phone sites and cell phone batteries.
§   Back of Book Segment
More details from Aruba
Guest: Reporter Dilma Arends
Aruba investigative reporter Dilma Arends elaborated on the Natalee Holloway investigation, implying that Aruba authorities may have a stronger case than many people realize. "Aruba authorities have been using cell sites and the cell phone batteries to determine the movement of the boys involved. For example, they were able to determine that Joren Van Der Sloot got home at 4 AM. So I think they have more proof than they are telling us." The Factor asserted that Arends' claims will provide comfort to Natalee's family. "What you just told us makes a difference to the Holloway family because it gives them some hope. There should be a way for the government to get more information to the family that is not going to damage the case."

http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=363#1

Remember this email from Dilma to Greta ?

E-mail No. 1 — This first e-mail is from a reporter at Aruba Today. Her name is Dilma Arends:

Subject: Greta "Wanted"
Greta, you are so mean to Aruba.
You would have never know about the police looking for you, if it wasn’t for the same courtesy, that (thankfully) people in Aruba still haven’t lost despite your sarcasm. The Kalpoes have been under fire and are suffering a lot. They do not open the door to anyone they do not know, and that includes Arubans as well. But unlike you and your almighty attitude, we do understand that. The police have the obligation to look out for the Kalpoes and the Van der Sloots even though they are still suspects. The reason is that both families have been receiving death threats, either by phone, letters and e-mails, thanks to programs like yours and others on cable, which are geared to bully this island and the suspects, without even considering that Natalee may have run away. You never looked into the family demographic of the Twitty/Holloways to see if there was anything amiss (or not) there.
The Kalpoes felt threatened, and yes, may have mistaken "Nadira" for "Murderer." You in the USA seem to forget the first language here is NOT ENGLISH. We may speak English, but for most Papiamento, Dutch or Spanish is still their first language. DO YOU HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING for that? I doubt that. So, when the Kalpoes heard "Murderer," in view of the death threats, they called the police and gave the police the license plate number of your rental car. They were not looking for Greta the Great, but for someone who may have been a threat to the Kalpoes.
As for some of your viewers commenting on the capability of the Aruban police force, I guess ONE unsolved possible crime case on an island weighs more than the hundreds of thousands of unsolved cases in the USA. You would think, based on reactions, that there are absolutely no unsolved cases in the USA, and no missing girls anywhere but Aruba.
Dilma Arends
Aruba

ANSWER: Dilma, of course the police should look out for ALL residents of Aruba... and, of course ALL visitors/tourists. I thought my blog on Wednesday was "tongue in cheek" and not mean spirited, but I understand your view and can see how it was read that way. I know this is an important investigation and I hope people know that I know that. I want Natalee's family and friends to learn the truth — whatever it may be. And, of course, Natalee deserves justice.

But please, for a second review the situation from my view — you don't have to agree with me, but just take a quick look from my view so you can understand how this "mess" even happened. I have been to the Kalpoe residence many, many, many, many times. My conduct has always the same: to call out for Nadira, their mother. She always answered the door upon me calling out her name. Knocking alone never brought her to the door. I have never gone to their home without yelling out her name: Nadira. Every time I have been in their home, I always showed enormous respect for her, for her home and for her family. I am surprised that she — or anyone in that home — would think my conduct would suddenly change and that I would go screaming "murderer, murder, murderer." If they recognized me — and they did — I would hope they would think my behavior consistent with what it has always been: polite. I may be blunt, but I am always polite.

Obviously much time has passed and much has gone on in their lives. They may now hate me for my persistence. But, as an aside, I have not gone nutty — I would not stand outside a house screaming, "murderer, murderer." My intention was not to be obnoxious but to talk to them. I was not seeking to alienate them — that would never help me convince them to talk to me.

She gave that report on Bill O'Reiley very early on, I think before everything was "dinked" with to throw off the information that both she and KJ said the prosecutor had at that time.  This is what really bothers me about the alleged phone and computer records.

Sure plays heck with timelines.   :?   Of course, it is possible she was just mistaken but she is a reporter and I would think could at least get the time correct.

Then Joran said he got home at 3 am and so the very phone records changed to accommodate his version?

Aruba is a very strange place where time seems to be elastic.

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I have always thought some of Scubjaps posts at RWV were really made by Dilma because she used that scolding tone.  Normally, it was not present.  But once in a while, that tone like talking to simpleminded children would be there and I have always thought that one was Dilma.

Remember our little Magnolia poster?  I wonder how she is as she was quite ill.  She told us about Dilma being kicked out of the Olympics, I think swimming, because of doping and she was known for years as Doping Dilma.

Maybe that is why she is so mean and preachy sounding.

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Will check for any info on Dilma when I return but takes me longer to just bag a gift than it does Klaas to go out and shop for one and return!

Back to bagging and I have fewer gifts this year than usual.  Not sure why I am resisting getting this done so.  

BBLater. . . . . . .

Hmmmm, interresting.  I'm not finding Dilma's name mentioned as staff at either BonDia or Aruba Today??

http://www.cspnv.com/pages/staffypersonal.htm

http://www.arubatoday.com/week/monday/staff.html

Dilma/Greta email exchange...

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Friday, December 16, 2005

By Greta Van Susteren

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Thursday night was the annual holiday party at the White House for the media. President Bush and Mrs. Bush were gracious hosts.

I posted some pictures today of some of the FOX News talent who attended the party (Bill O'Reilly was there but I missed him, so I did not get a picture of him.) There is one picture of my colleague Steve Doocy and Karl Rove, but to give me a hard time for taking pictures, they gave each other rabbit ears. In the end, I am getting even by posting the picture of the two of them. Remember, this was a party: People were supposed to be having fun and they did. Under ordinary circumstances we in the media don't party with an administration, but this is an annual tradition for the media and the White House — regardless of who is in power. The next day everyone goes back to his/her respective jobs and the friendliness can quickly vanish. No administration is fond of the press.

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E-mail the Show: ontherecord@foxnews.com Greta Van Susteren's Bio Read the GretaWire Interview Archive Greta's Pod Cast At the party there were people from probably every media outlet. I saw many you might recognize: Tim Russert, Wolf Blitzer, Cokie Roberts, David Gregory, Bob Novak, etc. It is usually quite crowded, but the weather in D.C. was wicked last night and that may have discouraged some from attending — or else the guest list was smaller than usual. In sum, the party was fun: good food, good music and I got to see people from other networks who I know and don't often get to see.

Last night I had a friend of mine on our show who has a new book. Her name is Darla Shine (her husband works here) and the book is "Happy Housewives." You might want to check out her Web site: www.darlashine.com. Darla was a TV producer before she decided to have a family and stay at home. You might think this book only interests women, but many men are reading it.

Our day starts early today. We have something we are hoping to get on camera early this morning — cross your fingers!

Now for some of your e-mails:

E-mail No. 1

Greta,
I was just about to write a letter of concern that FOX wasn't holding up to its "Fair and Balanced" claim because I could not find any mention of Matt Dalton's new book, "Presumed Guilty," which suggests Scott Peterson's innocence, on the FOX News Channel.
The other books written about Peterson's guilt were given plenty of airtime so I had assumed that Dalton's book would be represented on FOX with the same enthusiasm.
I went to your blog and found out that Dalton backed out of the interview with you.
Thank you for that information, I commend you for at least trying to bring his point of view to light. Maybe he will attend your show in the near future. I, for one, would like to hear the press reveal the inaccuracies of this case. I do feel that Peterson was railroaded and I would entertain other explanations as to who could have done this to Laci and baby Conner.
Love your show, thanks for your time!
Ann
Walnut Creek, CA

E-mail No. 2

Dear Mrs. Van Susteren,
You are a former prosecutor. You know that you don't share vital information with anyone, not even the victim's family. Can you tell me, in your career as a prosecutor, how many times you would spend an hour a day with the victim's family? And then to hear a version of what you have told the family in all confidence, being blasted in the U.S. media. Secondly, again, you did attack the police, many times and not just on their communication skills. The police never had to be media savvy before, nor were they ever in a situation like this. How do you think we Arubans feel? You don't care about the truth, you care about ratings. Why else would you not drill the Alabama kids who were here with Natalee? Why is it there is so much resistance for Aruban police to talk to these kids? As a former prosecutor, don't you think this is strange? Do you want the truth or you just want Joran to hang? He could be guilty, but he could also be innocent. Have ever considered this? Stranger things happen in the world. And with your experience as a journalist and a lawyer, you should know this too. I still have the early poster of Beth asking Natalee: "Hootie call me. I am in Aruba and we can talk!" Hmm.
Dilma Arends

ANSWER: I always hate to ruin a good rant, but Dilma, I was never a prosecutor. Second, investigations are not about "feelings" as you suggest... it is about facts and getting them. I regret that you think our tough demand for information is taken as a slight against Arubans... it is not. If you paid close attention to what I have said you would know that I think simple communication would help get everyone on the same page. It is possible that this is the perfect crime — meaning that even after a thorough and competent investigation we will not know what happened to Natalee Holloway. If the police won't provide information, we won't know if they did or are doing a thorough and complete investigation. I admit there is such a thing as the perfect crime and maybe this is one of those. And, yes, I admit I think the delegation travel to U.S. Capitol is a stunt — it won't help find Natalee or get more information about her. I do find the trip to D.C. an exercise in futility and a needless expense. Maybe I am wrong. I am willing to hold final judgment until after their trip.

Just a quick drive by .... on our way out the door to visit our families for the holidays......
Let's hope that the coming year brings the answers that Natalees familly so rightly deserves and that justice is handed out to those who harmed her.......
Klaas and Angie.... I hate to shop too!
Everyone have a safe and happy holiday season and will catch up with y'all when I return!!!
Love to all......


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Same to you Cubbee - Merry Christmas!

 Have a great trip sweety and I hope al is well!!!  Merry Christmas to you all!! Buss me when you get back!!  :)  Love and hugs to you!

Buzz me I mean.. Geesh.

Dilma Arends is described as an Aruba Today reporter
and a National Park Ranger Service spokeswoman....

A park ranger found the duct tape while collecting trash Sunday on rocks at Boca Tortuga, an inlet near a series of caves on Aruba’s northeast coast, said National Park Ranger Service spokeswoman Dilma Arends.

Could Dilma have "found" the tape?!

Isn't she a park ranger, whatever that is in, Aruba?  Is that the one who parks and watches for the subjects.

Merry Christmas to all ... and to all a GOOD NIGHT.


Except for me,
I dont sleep.

I've given Santa a nervous breakdown for years now. :-)~

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May Natalee's family get the justice for her they SO DESERVE.

...and let us Monkeys not stop until we BRING THAT SH- !

-j4n

She was a park ranger spokes person...not sure what she is now.

I seriously doubt she found anything.  She is/was simply a spokesperson, not a ranger.

I have to share this with you.  I had to go to Wal-Mart which for me is about like you, about 2 miles away.  I told DH to just stay in car that I was just going to get some plastic drinking cups for the grandbabies.  He did.  Well, I got a stack of plastic cups, headed for a line (less than 30 items) where one woman was checking out.  She bought all her groceries for Christmas, paid in pennies that were not wrapped and it was $86+ and she only had $85+ and I paid the extra.  Had I know I would be there that long for them to count pennies, I would have paid her bill or left for somewhere else.  I realized later what had happened, when they asked if I would lend her some money.  I just thought there was a problem weighing something or something.  I have no idea how she got in the 30 items or less lane or why they allowed her to pay in unwrapped pennies.

Carpe~!!  :)  You have a Merry Christmas as well !!
(I dont sleep a whole heck of alot either.. insomnia sucks huh? )

Tylergal - I have nightmares about things like that, lol  :lol:  :lol:

Yikes Tyler you poor thing..
That was really nice of you to help her out. Happens to me in the store at times when customers are a bit short.. but I gotta stop being so nice.. it does add up!  lol
 Call me mean.. but I wont stand there and count someones pennies for we dont thave time. they have to be wrapped in penny wrappers along with the individuals name and number on it. Soooooooo... when we get those pityful folks with change only.. I give them wrappers.. and have them wrap them right at the counter. Takes too much of my own time to count.. and have to have others waiting... plus run things in the store.. (filling orders.. etc..)  

 Have a wonderful Christmas Tyler..  great to see you.

Oh, I do understand that, Angie, but she was about 90 or 100, so I would probably have paid had I known.  It was Christmas, after all and I was chasing around hurriedly and thought later, I will never get the opportunity to do this for her again and I will never have the opportunity for someone to do that for me.    She was really remarkably old.

Merry Christmas to you, Angie!!!!!

It was very nice you were in the position to help her.  I can only wish that I'm able to do my own shopping at that age.

 Aweee God love'er Tyler!  I probably wont even be alive at that age!
You really did a special thing !!!!!  :)  :) :)

Why do I have this vision of a little old woman zooming in and out of the store in 10 seconds flat :lol: .

San  :)

Hi Angie :D .

LOL  :lol:  :lol:

San, if she had been 25, I might have needed your gun, but she was old!!!!!

Hi, monkeys.

Anyone who has both bleachedblack's and my email addies, please email mine to her!Or him, bleached is male!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I was actually commenting on Klaas' post.  I wasn't making fun of the old woman.  I'm not that bad. :wink:

It was very nice you were in the position to help her. I can only wish that I'm able to do my own shopping at that age.[/list]

Klaas,
I seem to remember being able to put a message to someone in where our profiles are or something and Red would let us know we had a message. That way we could share email addresses but still stay private from ones we did not want to share our email addreses with.

Is that still available?

Oh and Hi Monkeys

I just answered my own question I think. At the bottom of our message on this forum there is a small box that says PM. Also there is one that says profile and another at least on mine that says AIM. So maybe you could find one of Bleached Blacks post and click on that Justins mama. Worth a shot.

We used to be able to have our email addresses in our profile.  Because there is a "bug" in the current forum software it is disabled.  What happened was even if you weren't a forum member, you could still read peoples emails.  Currently, even if you put your email address in your profile and check "make public" it won't work because all email addresses are disabled.  

You can do what I did and set up a temporary hotmail account that you aren't affraid to post.  Up to you.  

I don't have any way to look up members email addresses with that function disabled.

Hello all you magnificent monkeys! I've missed y'all.  Been busy sleeping, trying to get well enough to enjoy Christmas.  I missed Thanksgiving.  :cry:

The story of the little old lady counting out her pennies to buy Christmas dinner breaks my heart.  She'd probably been saving those pennies for a long, long time.

On another note, people sure get crazy this time of year.  I went to the grocery store and was pushing my cart to the car in the crosswalk.  Some arse comes barreling down the road along the sidewalk of the stores and slams on his brakes at the last second.  After fishtailing down the road and scaring everyone to death, he finally stopped within 1 foot of me.  I was so mad that if looks could kill, he would be dead 10 times over.

Then in the same store parking lot another arse couldn't wait until I got in my car before backing out.  I was having visions of my leg being amputated as he slammed my car door shut.

What is wrong with people?  Slow down and enjoy life and the Holiday Season.

I'm staying home tomorrow and Sunday! Nothing can get me to budge.

Everybody who will be out of town, here's an early MERRY CHRISTMAS to you.  Be safe and have a wonderful time.

Sunfreak - we were worried about you!  How are you feeling?  Sounds like you are better if able to go to the store!

Hey monkeys. How's everybody doing tonight? I'm doing a little work and lurk action.

Great to see you up and about Sunfreak!

Florida, I try really hard to respect all the opinions on Natalees forum. I think we all do. We are all such an opinionated group so sometimes it is hard to express ourselves without someone else feelings being hurt.

I appreciate all you have done to help Natalee's family find answers. By the way did you happen to take a picture of Lorenzo? Thanks

Merry Christmas to all.

Good to see you here, Sunfreak.  I hope you are being a compliant patient.  We have been very concerned for you.  Merry Christmas.

I'm finally starting to feel better.  My ears aren't stopped up anymore.  I just don't have any stamina. If I do anything, including going for PT/dressing changes, I'm exhausted & have to go take a nap.  I'm getting plenty of beauty sleep.  Now where is Prince Charming?

I'm happy to see most of Bleachedblacks posts today on the dump.

I'm quite sure that's where the final resting place is.

Florida, Merry Christmas to you.  I certainly appreciate your efforts and would like for you to share more with us.  I am sure you know more than you have told us.

Seasons Greetings.  Keep up the good work.

BT, no toothbrushing for Carnut. :lol:  :lol:

Heh, heh, actually I think I am quite the Christmas Mood this evening.

Got a laptop setup for a friend this afternoon and got that project out of my hair and just have to start my Christmas Cleanup.

Do wonder if my vacuum cleaner still works after resting up for year or so.

Hey!!! I'm available. Not a exactly a prince but hey, what the heck eh?

Had to read your post TWICE, Car, before I got it! Thought you were saying that you were glad that bleached's posts had been dumped as in deleted, and if not they ultimately would be! Whew!

Good Evening Monkyes  :)
Just kinda reading & lurking...

Hi SAM....  did Ya have much or any ICE...
Tyler ....  Most people would have been screaming about the # of items the lady had    
OOOXOOO to you

I did not check the timestamp of the posts ...
but sounds like Klaasend should teach a class on "How to Speed shop at Christmas" :wink:

Yep, alot of Rorshack/mental mind set involved in reading forum posts isn't there.

Sunfreak~ Very glad that you are feeling well enough to have braved the holiday maniacs at the stores.

BLEACHED! PLEASE EMAIL KLAAS FOR MY EMAIL ADDY! GOT QUESTIONS THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ANSWER ABOUT RECOVERY.

Sunfreak~ If you are up to it, can you do the same?

Klaas~ My addy is my first name and last. Last is a well known name in music.

Had me there for a split second!

Off to the hospital. Will lurk/post from time to time from there. Mom is now on a bipap to assist breathing (fluid in lungs). Dammit.

Up until a few years ago, I saw plenty of scenes like that one with the elderly lady and the pennies here in Alabama. I still get pocket change that has clearly come from where someone emptied a jar of coins that they have had for a long time... wheat pennies, old silver dimes and quarters and the like. Some of the more rural people have next to NOTHING in this state.

I for one, have seen a LOT of eye-oening material from Florida's posts. I hope y'all won't be too hard on him. I think we both think along the same lines as to what happened here.

How is mom?

Justins and Bleachedblack - both of you email me at:

smklaasend@hotmail.com

Have I missed anything important?  I know about the lawsuits.  Has anyone heard yet about the professional examination of the still photos from the Arubay video of the white bag at the pond?

Done, Klaas. And thanx.

Tyler~ She's not good. My damn brother was talking about if she codes to not resucitate her. The idiot. She's not brain damaged, but he may before this is over.

Carnut, you remind me of my former boss. Worked 24 / 7. Very smart, etc. But he confided in me that he " lost " his vacuum cleaner. Hadn't seen it since his long time lady friend ran away from him. How can you not find a vacuum cleaner in a 2 bedroom condo ?

Yeah, I'm sure you have a lot to occupy your mind right now, hope all goes well with you.

BiPAP is not a bad thing.  I am not really shocked at the fluid, given her age and the amount of anesthesia she had.  I think the BiPAP is not the worst thing.  I am thinking Mom is doing much better.  These are not as rare as most of us think and most people do have a difficult time early on because most people who have this procedure are not young folks in the prime of life, so some difficulty to be expected, but be patient and watch out for Mom and make sure she is being cared for.  Sometimes we have to be vigilant ourselves as well as the nursing staff, who are only human and subject to err just as we do.  They are tired, they have a lot to remember, etc., so just make sure things are going well and Mom is being cared for.  I expect, like my brother, who had this operation about the same time of year as your mom's, she will be planting a garden by spring.  Soon thereafter, she can have a take-down done.

Will do!

Kat_Gram...sounds like the lady friend ran off with the vaccume cleaner  :shock:  :wink:

Heh, heh, I actually have two uprights standing next to my trash compactor.

They get a little dusty, but what they heh. Hope one still works.

Klaas, Did you read my other post?

I think we can still click on where it says PM of someones message and maybe send a PM that way. Then somehow the forum administrator send an email to us or when you sign in it shows you have a PM. That way you make the decision of whether you give your email to the person who sent the PM.

Carnut, Bah Humbug to you too. LOL Haven't you heard of random acts of kindness.

Sunfreak do stay home now and rest. Nothing is important enough for you to go out for now.

Justinsmama, I know you have my email address but I am going to try to do what I was talking about. I am going to click on the PM under your name and see if it works.  Just for fun. LOL

Justins, still praying for your mama. I pray the fluid goes away and that she can breathe freely in the very near future!

{{{HUGS}}}

There is no telling, but the connection is bizarre, particularly since the island is the size of a thimble, and everyone know's each other's business and comings and goings. Maybe Dilma arranged for some tape to be "discovered"?  They are all pretending....(except for Jossy, his son, Eduardo, and a few others...who actually are honest and really care about truth and justice).....; I also find the Joran supporters' collective arrogance amusing (as well as rediculous)...who are they kidding? :roll:

Dadgummit, my webserver just shut down. Looks like I accidently pulled the plug on it earlier today while working on the friends laptop and let run it run on battery until that died.

Oh well, now it's back up and charging.

Yes, but I'm also suspicious of someone waiting till busy shopping days to use up their pennies, for me and mine it was always a new years day to break open the jar and take the pennies to the bank.

Why couldn't this lady have made a pass by the bank before hitting WalMart? Heck if it had been a Wal Mart Super there was probably a bank there in the store. Just seems a bit inconsiderate to take the pennies to a cashier inline instead of a little forethought and preparation on her part.

Are you charming though?  :lol:

Well, now, ya can't expect everything?

Ok Now I know it says private messaging has been disabled.

So Justinsmama use Klaas suggestion. Again prayers for your mama.

Klaas what happened to yesterdays LCD?

Now I really am off to the hospital. Will check email and such from there.

XXOO

mishy
I hate ask this  :oops: ... BUT.... Is Nonesuche going to put us on the  Cooking sampling list or at least the e-mail list  :?  :roll:  :?

Nope, can't PM.  The only thing you can do is put an email address where the Yahoo or Messenger address would normally be, but then anyone..even non forum members could look at your profile and see your address.

Carnut - Tyler said the lady was quite elderly. Sometimes elderly people don't think the same way us middle-aged folks do. Modern technology has passed them by to some extent.

Some kind of problem in that thread so I moved it so Tom could work on it.

Speaking of food........I miss Flying Mermaids mouth watering menus.  ANyone heard from her lately?

As soon as I see Bleachedblack I'll make sure I get your email address to her.

I know you can make excuses all day long, but I still think it's quite suspicious that the little old lady was down to her last $85 of pennies just to buy Christmas dinner.

Yes, I miss FM's posting as well.

Well, ladies & gents, I'm off to watch TV and wrap some gifts.  If I don't fall asleep in the midst of it all, I'll try to come back tonight.

I miss y'all and miss talking about the case!

You know what I think, though? It makes life easier if you relax and give people the benefit of the doubt. Keeps your blood pressure lower too.  :D

SunFreak, I'm glad you're up and around and starting to feel better.

I thought I posted this here BUT...must have had a brainfrt

Klaasend these liks tells methey are in disabled folders  when I try to download the PDF ???
TIA

Hmmm, I just got the same message..interresting

Oldfart - why don't you just email me and I'll send you both PDF files

Carnut, I am not positive but I do not think Tyler meant that all the money was in pennies. With that said even $5 worth of pennies takes along time to count. That said, like Bt said older folks do not think about that sort of thing. Pennies are just money to them and used to be to alot of other folks as well.

I am not 90 but I do fit in the old category. Since my bout with cancer last year and then the flu from Hell a few months later I have never got back all my strength and energy I had before the radiation and chemo. So if I do manage to go shopping I am going to one place and getting the H*** out of there.

Also maybe she was hoping she did not have to spend all the money and her family may not know she is so broke. The pride thing you know.

LOL, she's expecting us up there this weekend, I think  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

BT, I prefer to be as understanding and forgiving as I can, especially during this time...no matter how inconsiderate one may seem, I thnk we should just give each other a break, especially the elderly...

Before too many monkeys leave for the holiday, I want to wish you all a Merry Christmas, and a happy, healthy New Year.  

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This is the only White Christmas I'm going to have this year.  It just won't stop raining.  I guess it's a good thing all this rain hasn't been snow.  

Sun Freak,I see you been in torture?PT also.So much fun.Who Lornzo?Al Gore said aruba will be under water by 2008,who knows,but he did  invent the internet.Cat

Rain is a lot better than drought.

Heh, heh, yep, I know I'm just an old meanie.

Merry Christmas LilPuma!!!!!
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I don't know what the heck this woman was doing, but she had to stand there waiting also.

Are you a trekkie,CBB.I am a trekkie.I was left here years ago in PA>I am still learning your ways.I do not the the landfill is a final resting place.I distrust alot in what I hear,because it is just MBB.(male bovine byproducts)

Thanks, Tylergal....
You're right.  I do hear stories from people in Aruba....I joined SM just a few months ago.  After 18 months, I felt the need to share what I know. I wanted to post quietly, anonymously....I am not at all into "angry" posts.

SAM:  The one photo of Lorenzo was him in his van...Not a good photo.

Merry Christmas!

Isn't it interesting how we all read different things into Tyler's story.
I had a vision of an old lady who all year saved all her change for a whole year, maybe a few cents a day.  :cry:  :cry: She did this for 365 days. then, she went to WalMart to buy eggnog and cashews and treats for her company. How generous this lady must be.
And tough... she braved WalMart... I didn't   :lol:  :lol:
 :wink:

Reminds be of a story one of my High School teachers related to us after a big snow. (Many Many years ago)

While coming to school he was detained by car that had slid cross-ways in the street and was stuck. Traffic was backed up both ways & he was about 7 cars deep in the back-up.

He got out walked forward and assisted in getting the car un-stuck and moving again.

As he walked back to his car.. he noticed many people behind him were Honking like heck.. When he got to his car he walked past it to the one  just behind his where the younger man was honking his horn like crazy and visibly upset at being delayed.

He tapped on the window and basically said ..
Young man there is No one in the car in front of you, they left the their car to assist in someway. Your Honking is only making noise ... and NOT helping.

With that he returned to his car, got in, sat down, started it  and looked in the rear view mirror.

His word to describe what he saw was simply "Priceless" and he would not expound upon that no matter how much we pleaded with him.

G'nite Monkeys
Happy Holidays to All

Florida, what about the photo of the guy who is supposedly Lorenzo from the side walking with those 2 other people? Does that look like him? Do you have any other photos of him? TIA

I brought this to the next page in case Carnut missed it.

Also wanted to say I am glad that Tyler was the one who was there to help the old lady out. JMHO

Carnut, believe me, here in Alabama, there are plenty of people who would do exactly what the lady at the Wal-Mart did.

A few years ago, right here on the extreme outskirts of a big city, I lived in a bldg. that had what looked like an abandoned lot next to it, all overgrown. I noticed when the leaves fell in the fall that there was a old house back there, very run-down. One night late I heard female voices coming from back there, 2 women with elderly voices arguing. It really was kind of scary, they sounded like they were ready to fistfight.

The next morning I checked with the landlady and she told me that there were INDEED 2 old women living in that house, which had no running water, electricity, heat, etc. and had a roof that was about to cave in. My landlady said she had seen the interior of the house and it had dirt floors. They had to dig holes. They had used the wood decking floors long since for firewood. The women received food stamps, miraculously, and used them to buy crackers and bread which was what they lived on. I was told to watch for some time when one of them walked by, on her way to the store, and sure enough not long after that I saw one of them, covered from head to toe in old and dilapidated long coats and with a hood over her head, shuffling down the street. Her face was barely visible but she looked very old and emaciated.

The women were both impaired mentally and had lived like that for years, according to my landlady. They were eventually removed when the bldg. they were in finally got condemned and I was told they were carried away kicking and screaming, thinking they were being arrested.

They were more pathetic, if it's possible, than the lady at the Wal-Mart. She could count, evidently.

So yes, it IS possible to see something like that.

we have had to day 6 children in life support from the flu,so this year it is no joking matter.Cat

Guess I'm supposed to feel sorry because my life has been so easy eh?

Carnut ~ I was thinking she'd been saving all those pennies to use for a special dinner ~ not coming out of her regular income, check, social security......that's what I'd do, and then wouldn't be so worried about the extra expense.  Just a thought.

Ok, I know, but I'm gonna continue and be the meanie here, I just think it's really suspicious to me that this activity occured on such a busy shopping day before the holidays.

I'm heartless I know.

Cat, I was just reading that on front page of the B'ham News. One of the little girls belongs to my father's work family. I've been putting her on prayer lists all over the place. I can't believe after 2 weeks and counting, she is still in Pediatric ICU  :cry:

Why didn't the Kalpoes also sue Steve Cohen and Gerald Dompig for slander ? By this time last year, both men had appeared on American TV at different times and stated to the American public that all three boys were guilty. Dompig even stated: "Guilty as hell!" Cohen also re-assured the American TV audiences that during the 2005 Christmas Holidays all three would be brought in again for some serious questioning. (hardy haw haw) ~

Speaking of which...

Have we heard ANYTHING at all about Steve Cohen for the past year? He has seemingly disappeared off the face of the earth.

 :lol: The little old lady must be pretty strong as $85 worth of pennies takes some heavy lifting. 8)

No, and I find that interesting.

Does anybody ever watch Rita Cosby anymore? Does she still have a show? Everytime I hear the phrasing, "Guilty as hell," I think of her for some reason. It seemed like she used to take great pleasure in repeating Dompig's words... :lol:  :lol:

BleachedBlack and Carnut:

I had posted this before....

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Is Joran at KIA? Is he getting into the pick-up truck?
If the vds vehicles were inpounded early on....
Would they be driving this truck?
Could this be the white pick-up from the Marriott?

I contacted someone in ALE & asked about this truck in Moko.

Florida, Did you see the question I posted to your attention re: Lorenzo?

And to make it even MORE interesting, there is no "milestone" associated w/ the case that happened to coincide with Cohen's departure from the scene. taco-boy went on the down low after the ny judge's ruling, but Cohen just... wasn't THERE.

Oh Cat, that is so sad. I am praying for those children.

Carnut, i never meant to imply your life has been to easy.
Mine has. I have been so fortunate throughout my my lifetime until the past year. Even then I still consider myself lucky. My cancer was curable. I did live through that flu. So God is good and I am grateful.

A few months ago Red asked the same question in a front page post.  Seems to me Red did hear from Cohen back then.  I think Cohen wrote and assured Red he was still around:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/stevecohenmissing3-1.jpg)

Suspicious?  What do you think she was up to?

Probably been too busy at the casino tables. Or whatever else.

I suspect that character has a LOT of dirty laundry.

And the answer is.....

A US penny weighs 2.5 grams.
$100 equals 10,000 pennies or 25,000 grams.
453.59 grams equal 1 pound.
Therefore $100 in US pennies weigh 55.116 pounds.

Not just joking, I'm pretty sure that Joe T. has pretty much taken over the functon of Steve's job.

Did anyone see Joe T. on FOX today about the Duke case?

Looked to me like he a black eye that was all makeuped over.

Also seemed to be quite uncomfortable in the setting he was in on that show.

Maybe the old lady went to the bank. Big line up.  Went to WalMart.
One line up. Smart.

Was mr.taco originally an attorney for the girl who made the accusations? I can't remember which side he was on in that thing.

BTW, I think the guys at Duke are as guilty as the guys in Aruba, FWIW. They are getting the spoiled, connected rich kid's pass like Joran is.

The charges today may more accurately reflect the physical and biological attributes of what they did (I'll leave it there  :wink: ) but they STILL violated that girl. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

Guess I figure it was some sort of Holiday season scam setup of somesort.

Going to fast thru line with a lot of stuff and then paying with a lot of pennies, I would think someone was relying on the 'Old Lady' stereotype/Holiday season effect to put something over on the checker if not Tylergal.

Again, I think if I had a bag of pennies to pay for dinner, I would have at least stopped at the courtesy booth to get them exchanged to allow for a faster trip thru the checkout line.

Sb, do you think the girl was paid off to drop the charges? Or threatened? Many people think she was lying because her story changed so many times. I have no opinion either way as to whether they raped her or not. I hope not, actually. But those are very privileged kids who possibly have a grand sense of entitlement given their young age and status in their very prestigious school.

Well, you'd think the person who started this story about the old lady and her pennies would have mentioned how she got them there.  Hmmmmph.  Maybe it was some strong guy who dressed up like an old lady just to see people get all upset as he held up the line.  This could be the same person who took all the baby Jesus's.  They sent out their 3 wisest detectives and all of the baby Jesus's were found on some lady's front lawn.

Don't think Joe T had any iron in the Duke fire, think he just there as a commentator, but he sure seemed to be obviously uncomfortable or something.

Maybe his panties are still in a wad  :lol:

Evening Monkeys, I am back from the store, I see JustinsMom is trying to reach me? I haven't any email from her.

I was kinda thinking something along those lines.

Perhaps Mr. Tacopina found out that Deepak lied about the Skeeters tapes, not Dr. Phil.  Perhaps Mr. Posner or his US counterparts have been leaving messages for Mr. Tacopina.   Perhaps he was served by Dr. Phil's attorneys with a defamation suit because he kept saying Dr. Phil made false claims about Deepak Kalpoe.  Perhaps his wife called him a teenypina.

Bleachedblack - email me and I'll get you her email address:

smklaasend@hotmail.com

mishy, she has been treated approximately the same way Natalee has been by the Aruban spin machine. She has had mud slung at here, been made to look cheap (admittedly in her case, it doesn't take much to do that) and the guys are being painted as poor innocent victims who need to get on with their lives, boo hoo.

That girl is just too easy of a target. She has (excuse me for saying it) "crack whore" written all over her, and she is taking on wealth and influence. Ain't happenin' for her.

She went to the party willingly, things got out of hand, the guys used her as a guinea pig in ways I won't elaborate on in a public forum. You can figure it all out. They should be charged with assault (NOT the same as rape, and y'all KNOW what I mean). They are smart guys. They know what AIDS is. They wouldn't go there. They did their business by proxy, if you will. Remember the Abner Louima case in ny?

I think the guys are indeed guilty and I don't think that the DA has been out of line at all in the case. The dookie $$$ spin machine is bashing HIM, too, to get this case deepsixed.

LilPuma  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Bleachedblack,

Klaas will probably already have answered you before I get this posted but She meaning Klaas has Justinsmama's email address to share with you. I think you have to email Klaas to get it.

I am sure Klass will tell you how.

I have a bunch of photos of whom I believe is Lorenzo.
It'll take me some time to put it together.....

Like I've said before, I believe the "mystery surrounding Lorenzo"
is actually what goes on at his house & his late father...
Not Lorenzo, per se.

Bit, still...he is a mystery.

Sb, that sounds like a horrible violation. And yes, I agree. Along with changing her story, people also think she lied because of who she is and what she does for a living, and how she looks, but it's basically the same thing. She was treated as an expendable object, a plaything for the wealthy and privileged to do whatever they wanted to with her just for a cheap thrill one night. How does that make those kids the victim?? Maybe Joran can answer that one...

Would you be willing to share these photos of us? Is your theory of why Lorenzo is so protected because of who his father was and what/who comes over to Lorenzo's and what they do at Lorenzo's?

edited to say:

photos WITH us

Off to look up something. May be back later.

MISHY: Exactly!

I just did....thanks :wink:

Well, I think that is probably the general consensus. Nevertheless, I'd love to see photos of him... 8)

Do you think that is him in the photo I asked about earlier?

FL, I know what your'e getting at and I agree. I don't think Lorenzo HIMSELF is connected to the case, I don't think he ever even encountered Natalee on a personal level. His dad's house may have been used in activities that he might not have even been around to participate in.

Really didn't look like the guy I saw in August 2005....Similar.
The "surveillance photo" was taken in June.
Supposedly, it is from Lorenzo's property.
Could possibly be after his questioning by ALE.
(Why is there no transcript from Lorenzo?)

I have a question that I doubt if any Monkeys can answer.

I wonder if we have ever ID'ed any MEDICAL doctors or personnel on Aruba that may have had any connection at all to VDS? Has there ever been any searching of who was the VDS' family practitioner, for example?

Someone like that may have been approached by them in a med emergency with Natalee. They are more likely to get a workable answer THAT way than by Googling "teenage drugs and alcohol" on the Internet.

I wish I had thought of asking Art Wood about that when I had the chance.

BleachedBlack & Carnut:

Do you agree with my pick-up truck theory from Pg. 11?

There are alot of PV's we haven't gotten our hands on including Lorenzo's.  I agree...where is it?

I do know that the van der Sloot's & Lorenzo are connected to AZV
(Medical Services in Aruba where ArubaGirl works)

My "crazy mind" thought Paulus was Googling the Beers, Boose Lawyer
from Miami.....

 Perhaps his wife called him a teenypina.
Post of the season !!!!!

How are the Van der Sloot's and Lorenzo connected to AZV?  In what capacity?

Both Paulus and Lorenzo's Medical Office......
____________________________________________

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", bear", and "drugs".
Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office.
The sites are visited only briefly.


Coincidently, in Miami:
Private Practice Lawyer Profile for Jerald S. Beer, (P.A.)
Boose Casey Ciklin Lubitz Martens McBane & O'Connell
515 North Flagler Drive, 18th Floor
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

You are saying that Paulus and Lorenzo's doctor has an office in the same building that AG works?  Edited to add..how did you come by this information?

Yes, AZV seems to be the medical provider in Aruba....Right next door to the Diario.  {{edit}}
Both Paulus & Lorenzo are subscribers...How I found out Lorenzo's birthdate.

AZV is simply a medical insurance provider.  There are 90,000+ people living in Aruba and I'm sure many use this same provider.  I thought you were talking about an actual doctors office.

Recently, Paulus came into the office "sweating" LOL  Asking if his son's eyeglasses were covered.  Lorenzo filled out a form a few years ago, he was born in 1980....And, even then listed his address as Barcadera 4 (R&S Automotive) ????

{{edit}}

Thanks, I realize that..............

AZV
http://www.uoazv.aw/azv_en/do/home.html

Frankrijkstraat 7
Oranjestad

Diario
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/22/
Engelandstraat 29

((edit}}

What goes on at his house ? Parties ?

All I know is I drive to the Diario Office...next to the AZV....
Where my friend later received the photos from Art Wood.

Are the locations important?

Yes, I would like these posts deleted.

I've edited out reference.  I'm not going to delete the posts.  I suggest you think about what you are posting prior to posting.

of course you will have to edit ours as well. Thanks

Evening, Monkeys.  Any news?

Hard for me to make any real conclusions about the truck, other than keep it in mind. Even that pic of the truck with Joran by it could be photoshpped for all I know. But it is very interesting Florida, and you are certainly right....as far as when their cars were impounded i am sure they didn't  take taxi's....they would likely have rented a car. I have heard that  the white pick-up was a rental, and then another time I heard that it was a polis truck, so I am just not sure about it.

Sunfreak and bleachedblack~ You both have mail! And thanx!

Nope, no news tonight.  I actually don't expect much news until after the first of the year.  Everyone is busy with their holidays and family etc.

You at the hospital right now??  How is she doing?  {{hugs}}

Klaas we all do get pretty persistant sometimes. LOL

I am still wanting to see pics of Lorenzo. I too have came to believe he was not involved but I just have always been curious.

Oh Klaas also you may want to tell your son if they do not get rain or the snow on the roof of that garage should get any heavier it can collapse it. He may want to try to remove some of it.

I imagine most of it is melted by now.  I know the sun came out today and the snow will melt pretty fast.  I'll mention it to him though.  Thanks.

I was and came home. She was crying, in pain. I think that the mask on the BIPAP was pulling her lips too tightly. They put a cooling "blanket" on her and she is more restful. BP good with the med for it reinstated (weaning did not go so well). Heart rate avbove 100. Urine output good.

Thanks, Klaas.  I agree; most likely after the holidays we'll hear more.

Justins, I hope Mama is doing better.  Take care and know you're both in my prayers.

I'll be gone for a week, but I hope to bring you all back pictures of the cruise and of me and Yapperz together.  We've agreed to try to find each other in Costa Maya by wearing hats--her in a {{edit}}hat and me in a white {{edit}}cap!  I told her if she saw a short, grayish-blonde lady screaming "yapperz" in her direction, that would be me!

Sounds like her vitals are better but sorry to hear she's in pain.  It's so hard to see our loved ones in pain.

Justinsmom... sending you warm thoughts and hugs.  You and your mom will continue to be in my prayers.  Be well.

Have a wonderful time!  Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you!

Oh, Justins, this has to be hard on you.  Be strong, girl.  It's so hard to see our parents ill.  When my Dad had surgery, I had to be there and strong as I'm the oldest child, but it just tore me apart and was so exhausting to pretend to be cheerful and strong.  We are here when you need to vent.  Take care of yourself.

I'm watching some show on Travel Channel about Chicago's Christmas decorations and they are showing Marshall Field's tree and Christmas windows.  Absolutely stunning.  Just amazing.

I would be there now except my older sister and I had a disagreement. We are both scared to death and sleep deprived. Though it best if I came home until we both settle down. She lives in PA so she can't go home.  :wink:
Brother did relent and say that resucitation would occur if she were to code. Guess he talked to some of the medical personnel about it.

If I have this right...My psychic friend sees Natalee looking out from an apt. and viewing a yacht named "Guate...." She is in an apt. in Belize near a "farm"...beans or coffee.....

Thanks for the update on your mom , Justinsmama.
Is she at Methodist?
It is hard to watch our loved ones in pain plus it is probaly easier for her to rest without staring, concerned family. JMHO

Justins, you are very wise and did the right thing.  Sister will realize that, too.  Your brother is also scared and said what guys say when they are being "tough."  My hubby says stupid stuff like that, too, but I know he doesn't mean it when push comes to shove.  Men are like that, ya know.   :wink:

I wish I could just hug you now and pat your back and say it's okay, honey.  Everything will be okay--just you settle down and take a few deep breaths.  {{{BIG HUG}}}

Sam~ No, she is in a hospital in our hometown. She worked there for 29 years, my brother for 14 years, and I did for 9 years. Baby sister did for about a year.

Justins, you all worked in the hometown hospital?  In that case, Mom should get very, very good care as I'm sure you all know people who still work there and will go the extra mile for her.  That's a good thing!

I understand what AZLAdy is telling you Justins mama. Also you need to rest. Is your sister getting any rest at all? Everyones under so much stress right now and so tempers get frayed.

Try to stay strong.

Yes, she is receiving good care. Everyone loves my mom. She's a riot! And, as my brother said, it helps to hear the positives from others with whom we had worked, as we are more apt to believe they are not glossing over things.

Hiya Monkeys! Justins, I too will be praying for your family and your Mother.

AZLady, Have a safe trip and a great time! Same to to Yapperz!

One comfort is that she is not in totally unfamiliar surroundings if she worked there for so long.  The unfamiliarity and strangeness of a hospital is terrifying to people who are very seldom in one.  I didn't sleep a wink when I was in the hospital for just four days when my daughter was born.  It was all too strange and unfamiliar.  So, she is with friends and family--she's in good hands and I feel sure she'll be well soon.

Thanks, Elaine.  I'm so excited I don't think I'll sleep a wink tonight.  We need to get up at 3 AM to get ready and leave for the airport at 4 - 4:15 for a 7:20 AM flight.  I hope the airport is not too busy at the time of the morning. Regardless, it's all a great adventure!

I am psychic too........the name on the boat is Guatemala ... :wink:

I'll keep my eyes open for a boat named Guatemala and what is around it.

I was only kidding........ :oops:

Ah shucks, I was gonna guess Guantanamera.

I got my psych in 74.

That's okay, bleached. It was funny!

okay, okay...  I'm not psychic, but I love boats, so I'll look anyway!   :lol:

Why?  Answers come from everywhere....

Might be more than few boats registered out of Guatemala ya know.

I want to be psychic - does that count?  :P

Justins, I hope that tomorrow you mom is feeling much, much better. If the mask is pulling her lips too tightly, can it be adjusted? As Tyler said earlier, medical personnel are stretched so thin these days that sometimes they need extra eyes and ears. One time I was sitting with my ill sister, and I had to go to the nurses' station several times before I convinced them that blood was running from my sister and up the tube into the IV. They said it couldn't happen until one of them finally came to the room - and then they freaked out. :roll:

I have no idea what to expect, and I will stay with my group and not go off the beaten path. However, it doesn't hurt to keep my eyes open and my head up.

Have a great time and a safe trip. Maybe Klaas can edit out what ya'll will be wearing just for safety reasons...Just wanna keep all the monkeys safe  :lol:  :lol:

Might be the person who took Amy Bradley from Curacao
Might be the person who took Natalee from Aruba
Might be the person who took Jennifer Keese from Orlando

Might be?

{{{Justins}}} I am keeping you all in my prayers. She sounds like she is improving, though I'm sorry she's in pain. Please get some rest. Stress and sleep deprivation can sure take its toll...Take care of yourself  :wink:

Up to AZLady, I can edit it out if she wants.

I never would have thought of that, Mishy.  If Klaas thinks it's best, then do edit it out.  I guess I trust too much and don't really understand the evil in the world, even though I know it exists on a rational level.  I just can't grasp it on an emotional level which puts me (and others like me) at a disadvantage, I suppose.

I remember you said this last night and I am really glad she's somewhere where the people all know and love her!

OK, she got me  :oops: but I was wondering "Wha  :?: "

Florida said naaaaamed "Guate" not from Guatemala, silly.  :cry:
Like maybe Guatemala Mama.....

Oh, didn't know Psychics could see that clearly and tell difference between a name and a registration port.

I'm starting to yawn, so I think I'll grab a drink and see if I can jam a few more clothes in my suitcases.  See ya next week, Monkeys.

Have a wonderful time and be careful out there. And if you do catch up with yapperz, please give her a big hug from me. :D

Hey Bleached, liked your postings earlier on the dump possiblities.

I'm still a dump supporter.

Wish I were psychic, too!

Thanks heaps and heaps to bleached for all the info! Helps a bunch to calm me! LOL!

Thanks more heaps to all you wonderful monkeys for your love and support.

Gonna get some sleep and apologize to sister later...

I thought you were a psych chic?

Nighty night all and sweet dreams! I gotta finish my work and go watch my soap  :lol: before I turn in.

Night...hang in there, sounds like Mom is...... :wink:   :)

Night Justins and Mishy and hugs to you both.

Carnut - you're a nut!  :lol:

No, Car! I'm a psychotherapist!

Does that translate to dumpster?

Actually I have been a dumpster to landfill kinda guy, but I can just go with landfill if necessary.

ALE was so uncooperative when it came to the dump site that it makes me think there had to be something to it........in Aruba, with tourists climbing, riding, ATV'ing over everything.......the dump seems like a likely first disposal site. Even the business about the fires was BS. I have not been to Aruba often, but the last 2 times I left I could see fires burning in the landfil.

I agree BB.  Remember too Red said they needed more bulldozers but the landfill people wouldn't let Equusearch use them.  The dozers were sitting there idle.

i see everything

its a gift
















and a curse  8)

Do you see Natalee in Balize too?

Looks like Joe has a new job.

http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=11239ccc160004611a697a3G06122220

You must be the robot version of the Greek Cassandra. Her gift was that she could forsee the future and her curse was that no one would believe what she predicted.  :wink:

i just got in here......so im not sure what everyone is talking about  :lol:


but i will say this....

when she first disappeared,, i saw here half in water and half on land

not deep water by any means ,,, but almost like she was laying on ground with water
right next to her... almost like a puddle

i still see it  :shock:  :shock:

 :lol:

Kinda like me, I know all, but no one believes me.

Humm, wonder if robots can see me?

San-

That's one greasy elf  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And here I thought Carnut was the seer and the soothsayer all this time, all-knowing omnipotent ruler..........and all the time it was robots?  :wink:

Hi robots, just teasing with ya  :lol:

yep, even my kids say
:you see everything"
and i always have to correct them
beause i dont se everything but i do see alot

and its not any great power  8)  8)  8)  8)

i think its deductive reasoning with extreme intelligence  :shock:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:



 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

 :lol:  :lol:

Nicely done!  Fine choice for the face photo!  :lol:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Joetelf.jpg)

Hi None

Cookies all baked and shipped?

i see you
 :wink:


although i do wish i had a picture of what people really looked like  :lol:

Hummm, intelligence off the charts eh? Wonder where I've heard that one before.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  boy

be right back
i need to get the WINDEX  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

 8)

How about this afternoon when I took my monthly shower?

for now, we start back up day after xmas though, more shipments  :D

we landed our first corporate customer today too  :D  :D  :D

any luck on your shipment yet?  :?

nope i was napping

 8)

Klaas-

I love that freeze frame of joey elfie  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I'll have to get another freeze frame.  I was going for that "panties in a wad" look but didn't quite get it  :wink:

I know that it could be coincidence that the landfill witness mentioned them dumping a body and the sighting of a blue kiddie pool, and then the pic of the Sloot compound showed the neighbor with that blue kiddie pool in their yard. I would just like to ask Sloots neighbor what-ever became of that pool?

yea you do that, he does that look reallly well  :lol:

 :shock:

well, i saw it from the get go
and i see it everyday and it haunts me

LMAO!!! :lol:  :lol:

This is better  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Joetelf2.jpg)

This old lady had a knap sack and a little change purse and she was dragging her knap sack with one of those wheechairs.  She was very debilitated and had temporal wasting as cancer patients are often seen to have or very debilitated and malnourished people.  her little change purse looked to be as old as me.

Can you see me now?   :lol:  :lol:

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d162/Muzzydog/Dinner2-1.jpg)

elves have always skeeeeeeeeeeeeeered me
and to see joe t. like that... it is FRIGHTENING  8)

Me too

 :lol: i see you

<---------im waving  :lol:  :lol:

JOE HUSTON, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  Yes, we were given information that Joran and the two Kalpoe brothers buried Natalee in one or two different spots in the landfill.  The information we received came from another source.

We went out there and checked it out today.  We have two different spots we need to look at.  Some of the information the individual gave us turned out to be correct, from the standpoint of towels and other pass keys that were found in the same location.  And our intent tomorrow is to get a backhoe or a front-end loader in there and dig through the different areas and see if we can‘t find any evidence about what exactly happened to Natalee.

SCARBOROUGH:  Mr. Huston, this is shocking news, also.  I will tell you what.  The dominoes really seem to be falling right now in Aruba.  What can you tell us about this witness, and why would a witness wait eight weeks, eight weeks, to tell us that he or she saw Natalee buried at this landfill?

HUSTON:  It‘s my understanding that the witness is—was worried about what would happen to him if he told the truth or came up with the information.  And it‘s because of that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8756707/

Unoh, looks like Tylergal just started reading.

Woo Hoo!!! Congrats about the corporate customer!  :D

UPS delivered a box tonight and hubby went out to talk to the driver. The driver said he remembered taking the laptop back to the UPS terminal and putting it on a shelf. He went back tonight when his route was done and called to say the computer was still sitting on the shelf where he put it. He's promised to deliver it tomorrow.  :roll:

Does look like a lady in charge.

Heh, heh, neato. I won't say what I'm thinking.

Yipeeeee a Happy Christmas afterall!

Howdy robots (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif)

yep, nice picture  :D

a

thanks !! we're excited  :D

well that beats the alternative, it means Santa will arrive before xmas and you'll have the keyboard banging out masterpieces !!!!!!!!!!  :D

Yeah, in charge of sock monkeys.  :lol:  :lol:

howdy  8)

how about we ask Santa for a lady in charge for canut's stocking to whip him into shape ??

would or could she survive such ?  :lol:  :lol:

Hummm, ya know if the laptop has WiFi and you have a wireless port on your home connection, you could be net surfing in bed.

Wonder if that would have any affect in the toothbrushing department?

 :twisted:

I don't think it was a body but do think there was at least something at the landfill or maybe it was a body and later they moved it.  Something up there for they froze the permit and filled in the painfully, dug by hand progress made.  Why on earth would anybody be so mean?


ROBOTS,

I have a little precognitive ability, sometimes dream or see something very accurtely before it happens or I am there but no control over it and it has never amounted to anything.  One son has this and his has been verified by government study on same.  The ability does exist but few have any control of it.  I know I sure don't and as as likely to dream or see something totally useless as helpful.  

I have always seen Natalee being zipped into a black, professional quality body bag, very heavy duty one, better quality and more heavyweight than most.  That is the image frozen in my own mind.  I really believe at some point in time, this happened.  

Of course, I have no proof and this remains just my own image. . . .


.

robots-

Just so you'll know, I do not resemble a zodiac queen  :lol:  :lol:

LOL Carnut, I'm net surfing in bed right now. Hubby is right here beside me. :lol:

None, are you mocking my $5.00 tiara?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

i know what you mean,  exactly what you mean

and youre story of her being put in a bag makes perfect sense to me

 :lol:

Yeah, when you think about it, why all the stick poking in the sand searchs when they coulda been stick poking in the landfill.

nope definitely not yours, yours is modest and appropriate  :wink:

Phew! Thank goodness! I was skeered I had wasted that whole 5 bucks.   :lol:

Humm, is net surfing in bed any worse than eating crackers in bed?

I do both.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  BT

did you see that pink cookie I posted today?  :lol:

i dont have a lap top

but i do have two monitors hooked up

im not even sure why yet

 8)

ewwww carnut that is a visual I could have gone a lifetime without seeing, you eating crackers in bed  :lol:  :lol:  in the bedroom which hasn't been vacuumed in a year  :lol:  :lol: likely with car parts surrounding the walls too  :lol:  :lol:

I did! It's priceless!!  :D

 :lol:

now. im visualizing it  :twisted:

Heh, heh, back when I was using Desktops for my webservers I had 4 computers hooked up to one Moniter.

Humm, have you been here? I do have some spark plug cables laying on the floor in front of the closet.

Mr. Toothbrush is wanting to go to sleep now, and since I'm net surfing in bed I guess I'd better sign off.

Night monkeys and sweet dreams.

Most of my friends who do the two moniter thing are into Autocad and use one moniter for menus and commands and the other for design.

painful huh?  :lol:

I remember growing up in a rural area and my father joking about the place called Darwin's where you could gas up your car, get an oil change, and have a BBQ sandwich prepared all in the same room  :lol:  :lol: sort of reminds me of carnuts boudoir  :lol:

Night BT, sweet dreams of toothbrushes and laptops !

Ok enough O/T from me, I'm sorry Anna and bleached and tyler were all trying to accomplish something until I butted in tonight.

I'm sorry  :oops:

Everyone traveling be safe this holiday, so glad to see Memphis and Sunfreak check in, big hugs to Justins who I hope knows we're with her in spirit and Happy Holidays to everyone as well !

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

BT,
If you are still here, this is something for your new laptop.

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Hope you see it tomorrow if you are already signed off!

Anna, I have unfortunately had dreams (nightmares) about friends and relatives that came true.  I have no control over it and cannot call it up on demand, nor do I want to.  Horrors, no.  I never have good dreams about people, always very bad dreams.  I once had friends tell me not to tell them anymore of my dreams about them because too many really bad ones came to pass, very unpredictable things, things you would never dream of happening that did happen.

My dream of Natalee is that she is in a very tight place.  She is unable to move her arms.  She is lying straight, almost as if she is on an OR table with her arms at her side and paralyzed in that position but needs to move to get comfortable.

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I am pretty sure she could survive such just not sure why she would want to bother with such a one.  

Guess he just answered the part about whether or not he is Charming for Sunfreak's Prince.   :roll:

Send her right over, I'm ready.

Tylergal,
Did you see Carnut saying the little old lady with the pennies was probably some sort of scam or something.  I hope he never gets that old and needs help.  Going to have some bad, bad karma stored up with all him crankiness!   :?

Just call me Grinch.

Really far out... do you think there is a possiblity that the ALA has her body?

I'm sure you mean't ALE, but no, I think the body is in the dump.

I was feeling so bad about not doing more for her, but felt blessed that I was unable to do anything at all and Carnut, just the opposite of my DH, makes me feel worse.  DH asked me why did I not find out more about her, that she might need help.  He was so worried about her that he circled the parking lot to see if we could find her.  He was more concerned about an abusive family than anything else and said she might be hiding her money to keep family members from getting it.  I think he just read that story about the grandmother whose grandson scammed her out of everything and left her penniless while she was on her deathbed.

When my mom was in her late 60's she started acting a little funny.  Not that others would notice but I did.  One day we went to the grocery store and she was buying her own groceries.  The bill was like $30 and change.  She wanted to give the cashier the exact change and was taking forever trying to find it in her purse.  There was a long line behind us and people were getting frustrated.  Finally I talked my mom into giving the cashier another dollar bill and we left.  That moment stuck in my mind though as the first moment I realized something was wrong.

It was probably 7 years later we found out my mom had a neurological disease, a very bad one.  Progressive Supraneuclear Palsy, the same thing Dudley Moore died from.  

My point is, you never know what others are going through or what illnesses they may not even be aware they have.

Crap, that was supposed to say "able to do anything at all..."  It's too late and I have shopped and cooked tooooooo long.

I believe ALE had her body at one time but I doubt they have it now.

Unoh, ya think I have some undiagnosed mental disease?

Klaas, I had a brother-in-law die with that.  He had eye problems as well.  My sister kept wanting him to have MS because I had eye problems, but he had something worse.  Our mother had died not long before he was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.  It just seemed to keep coming, the bad news.

Carnut - I wasn't referring to you I was referring to the old lady in the store with the pennys. But you never know :wink:

Night, BT.  Sweet dreams.  That is a very nice picture of you and your sock monkey son.

Tylergal - Yes affects the movement of the eyes.  Nasty horrible disease.

Exactly, I mean that landfill should have taken a long time to search .......
Jossy must have been pretty sure of his witness, he even donnated money to help pay for equipment and his brother helped with the search.

Thought maybe you thought that was why I'm so hard hearted.

My BIL was adopted so he did not know his biological parents but his kids have had some genetic testing to see if they have the propensity for some of the neural diseases.  I told my sister that her dear children might be in for a double whammy from our mother, her husband (their father) and me.  I am sure there has to be a family predisposition to these neurological disorders.  We know a family in which the father died of a brain tumor.  One of his sons has had Parkinson's recently diagnosed, another with Lou Gehrig disease and two with MS.  There are 4/5 children with already diagnosed neurological diseases in their 30s and 40s.

Nope.  Was just trying to point out that sometimes people do illogical things for other than criminal reasons.

Always thought those metal rods they were using would work in the landfill. Think that's what they use around here to establish where to start digging.

They are also seeing a connection to MS and Diabetes.  My husbands family has alot of the neurological problems plus diabetes.  My mom is the only member I know of on my side with a neurological disease.

I've heard of that.....hardening of the hearteries.

Bleachedblack - LOL  :lol:

I think what they did there was use the equippement to dig down several feet and then search the papers for dates......

Ya, I know, but then some folks are just suspicious, specially after all the stuff that's on the news lately, think I used to be a little more gullible.

Yes, I meant ALE. Had to change browsers again.. Netscape puts me into the main page when I hit post reply.

OK.. if they didn't see the body, then how come the Police Chief told the lady on the beach that he'd seen the evidence of murder and she hadn't?

What was the evidence or was it hot air?

Nope, always been that way, never did have a soft heart.

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Sorry, this is the only one in your area who would agree to come over, Carnut.  She is on her way, however, and should arrive soon!  


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I always thought he knew because PVDS or JVDS told him.

I think they either did see the body or they saw ALOT of blood.  Enough blood to determine something horrible happened.  They may have even been the ones to put her body in the landfill..who knows.  

Personally, I think that's what they found at the rocks.  A bloody crime sceen.

Aw shucks I was hoping the Blonde by the Chistmas Tree would be coming over.

Who's by the Christmas tree?

Who's by the Christmas tree? Someone we know????

Always different stories, never sure what to believe.......One thing is certain, enough time was not devoted to searching the landfill to rule it out period.

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(...) Eduardo Mansur of the Dairio related the latest female-eyewitness' account of a white pick-up truck being seen at the landfill. It was a white jeep, according to someone else who spoke with the witness. Whatever the case, and however many witnesses, the dogs and the methane-detection equipment has revealed nothing after three days of digging. At whatever depth that they are at in the landfill, they have dug deeper by boring 8-foot penetrating holes large enough for the dogs to enter and sniff. Still, nothing has been detected. Tim Miller, earlier, mentioned that the only "hits" turned out to be band aids. You must have sensitive equipment to detect spots of blood on discarded band aids. The baby's plastic pool, described by the first eyewitness, was found on the first day. No blonde female's body was found anywhere below the baby's pool.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_19.php

IBE,
We are being silly again.  He is talking about my avatar I think but I sent him over the elderly lady in the photo to help him with his lack of compassion for others at Christmas time.(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/21jtb9x_th.jpg)



Just clowning around, as usual.   :wink:

Carnut wonders

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Yeah, the elderly lady looks too much like me.

I'll bring the eggnog and cookies! We'll have both regular and the "bring it up a notch type".

That's because by the time TES got permits for the dogs to be on Aruba, etc. the bifrons had moved anything incriminating.  It was meant to be temporary from the start thence the marking indicator of the blue kiddie pool to find whatever was there later for removal to a more permenent location once the heat was off.

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Anna wrote;


Sounds bout right to me.

Good night all.. didn't have any sleep last night so am heading off, as Anna says to "monkey bunky"

Everyone, stay safe and sane... the last one is harder to do. :lol:  :lol: My second order of Scared Monkeys' Christmas tree stuff is on it's way. It's from me to me, so not important enough for Christmas arrival.

Next, Klaas will be the coaster. Cafepress was great and adjusted the postage to free like advertized on the day I ordered.

Good night from IBE, the dog, cat and non=blooming poinsetta, so bought another and put it next to the other. Maybe it will get the idea that now is the time to bloom. I don't think our cold streak helped. Tried the "dark trick" but was afraid of breaking the branches.[/b]

Actually, if the body was moved from the landfill, then I would think the dump had been intended to be the permanent place, but was moved because someone was getting too close to finding it.

Changed my mind... postings are getting too interesting.

Wasn't Wever director of the dump too?

carnut wrote;


I would imagine if that was the case, maybe rather than actually move the body a second time, and sorry I know this is graphic.......but I can hardly imagine anyone literally moving a body that has been buried in the arubian heat , in a dump for a couple of days........if it was even possible to locate the body ......maybe they would just burn it there? like they did with Pitbull?
Maybe they would wait until St Johns night or what ever that holiday is they celibrate there that the mafioao's in South America use to dispose of all their unwanted evidence.......

Yep, I could go along with that.

Wasn't there a fire at the exact spot in the dumb? Very convenient??

Dunno, it was someone who apparently wasn't real interested in having any americans doing much searching there.

Yeah, one was actually blamed on the searchers by the aruban media.

Meant "dump" not "dumb" which was "dumb" of me in spelling.

Some in Aruba wish to blame others for everything but don't blame themselves!

Aruba is in complete celebration with the cultural festivity “Dera Gai” on June 24 in relation to the San Juan, which is the St. John’s day.

 

This cultural event is held where the burying of the rooster was a symbolic way to an agricultural rounding off one harvest year and starting a new one by the pagan Indians.

 

When the harvest was over the Indian would clean his field of the remains of the harvest and burn it, making an offering to the God of fire thanking Him for the necessary rain, sun and so on.

Over the years the festivity took another form by the Roman Catholics and to make everyone happy the festivities were combined.

The Roman Catholics celebrated the St. John the Baptist, which coincides with the Indians’ ritual celebration.

 

The Dera Gai was a day of games for the children and athletic competition for the adults, where all the entertainment culminated before 4pm where the burying of the rooster (dera gai) took place.

 

This event consisted in the early days of clearing the sandy soil, a hole would be dug, and a young rooster will be placed in the hole and covered with Calabash (gourd), so that the top will be levelled with the surrounding area. A group of musicians would prepare to accompany the blindfolded star player. A lady will dance with him on the tunes supplied by the ensemble. The gentleman will have a stick and would feel his way trying to hit the rooster, while dancing.

The rooster hardly ever is hurt.

 

Today a synthetic rooster is being used and the celebrations are taking place island-wide.

Schedule is subject to change

Exposition at "Maria Kapel" at Instituto di Cultura Aruba, Oranjestad

June 15 - 30, 2006

08:00 Hours - 17:00 hours.

Festivities on June 20, 2006:

Sint Michael School 9 - 10 a.m.

Colegio Cristo Rey 10:30 - 11:00 a.m.

http://www.arubabycruise.com/news/DeraGai.htm

Good news, I figured they would!

Night Monkeys.....

Hey monkeys! Just checking in at this late hour to see how everyone is, and was curious to see if there was any news.

No news other than I took my monthly shower today.

Whether you needed it or not, right?  :lol:

CBB, Carnut is the grinch, trying to steal from old women and take away their Christmas.  Shame, shame.

Carnut,

Did you wash the car at the same time? ie: big shower?

This is good night... sending you all some spicy apple cider for a night cap! :lol:

This is good night... sending you all some spicy apple cider for a night cap! :lol:

Sent a double dose!

I believe someone recently posted that Bouchi Wever, the physician who is NOT the father of Guido would be over the landfill as part of his Health Department duties.  So perhaps he was the one to nix the permit to dig any more.

Too obvious, that.  What does it hurt to dig in a landfill.  There were other areas of it they could have used during that process.  But then later we learn the big hotels have incinerators and here we were looking all over for one and they are everywhere.  And the Visibility or Security Beach Patrol had access to the hotel incinerators, too.

Seems they incinerate a lot of their trash.  Also the landfill is eventually loaded onto barges and taken out to sea I have been told so nothing there now we can pretty well bet after two years.

Pitbull had enough remains even after being burned to ID him so I think there might have still been something, fingernails, teeth, hair, etc. that would have DNA, etc.  And perhaps the wrong fingerprints on a body bag?  

Well, something surely got them stirred up about the landfill for certain.  We do know that and even bulldozers brought to fill in the holes Dave, Red, Tim Miller and others dug by hand which to me was one of the most cruel things about all of this.  Just heartbreaking that they would do this.

Just my thoughts on landfill.  Don't know what was there but something the Officials in Aruba did not want found.  Yes, I also think at some point in time like around the time of the alleged confession/accusation, the body may have even been in the hands of a few of the LE members.  Not all, but a select few who have obstructed all along.

Goodnite, all, off to the monkey bunkey but I did get a lot done tonight!   :D

Still wonder who's PR idea it was to file the Dr. Phil case to get aruba back in the news and then to get the Globe and Examiner to do the articles on the suspects just prior to the Christmas vacation plans of all the folks in the US.

It's sort of like payback isn't it Carnut.  How many times did Aruba make a decision in the case near one of the Holidays?  This year it happened near two of our Holidays (Thanksgiving and Christmas) where each paper had two articles printed in them.  Even if you don't buy the tabloids in the supermarket how many times have you grabbed it while standing on line and start reading it?  Either way it’s sheds a bad light on Aruba.  I can’t wait until the Kalpoes drop their lawsuit to see what’s going to be printed.

Morning Monkeys!

Wanted to wish each and everyone of you a wonderful holiday!  I think I am supposed to be cleaning and cooking.... lol

I'll be lurking off and on today I guess.   :lol:

Thanks for your friendship and may 2007 be the year we get justice for Natalee.

This is completely out of the context of the current discussion. I just remembered something I thought of the other day, while we talking about that man who we had thought was a woman, the cross dresser/transvestite.

Bifron not only moves bodies, but is also two faced. Cross dresser? Bisexual? Both? Or something different, such as a justice official engaging in unlawful activity?

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
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Good morning monkeys.

I agree about the rocks being a bloody crime scene. It's always seemed logical to me that Natalee was fatally injured at the rocks, although she might not have died immediately. I can certainly buy the theory that she was then transported to the VDS residence, where she died. That would account for the unusual activity at the rocks, Deepak having to try to clean his car in the wee hours of the morning, the refusal to let the VDS house be searched, etc.

yep

Anna,

I missed this last night, but thank you so much! This will be perfect for the new laptop, which hubby is on his way to pick up at the UPS office right now.  :D

That's great BT.  Enjoy your new laptop.

Thanks, San! I can't wait to be able to talk to the monkeys even faster than I do now.  :D

Leslie, I read your comments on the FP about Rosie and the Trump thing.
I do not watch the View, but on CNN, they were doing a summary of the feud. That Rosie is a schoolyard bully. Did she ever have any talent ?
Well if she did , it seems to be gone.
What an as^wipe she is.

This is exactly what Rosie is.  When she attacked Tom Selleck on her show I couldn't stand her anymore.

For Snoopy, if she happens to come by.

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Wub you, Snoop, and keeping your sister in prayers.

Tell me about her attacking Tom ?

When I was looking at the clips of Rosie, she looked like a total untalented moron. Why is she allowed to pollute the airwaves ?

Tom Selleck had become a member of the National Rifelmens Association and he went on her show to promote a movie but Rosie had another agenda.  Tom was very gracious.

Here is the link to the discussion.  It doesn't do it justice if you can't see Rosie's actions.  JMO.

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/norosie.html

Good Morning, Monkeys!

Does anyone remember Bon Dia discussing how it was the "newspaper" who offered to make a copy of Skeeters tape to a disc for ALE?  I don't recall if they actually made this or not but I do believe I recall very clearly her discussing their offer to do so.  Not sure why or if they ever did.

Did Scubajab have anything to say about this?  I also remember how upset some of us used to become when Bon Dia would brag about having access to the "entire dossier" while Beth and Dave had nothing or crumbs at best.

Don't suppose anyone has a copy of that post about their making the tape to the CD around?



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TOM : I haven't mentioned assault weapons once. I haven't mentioned a lot of things once. The nature of this debate... I didn't come on your show to have a debate. I came on your show to plug a movie. That's what's I'm doing here.
Still don't know why this person ( Rosie ) has been given the forum of the View to promote her agendas. The network should just dump her.

I did used to read over at F site, but I don't recall readin' that one. Know that they were looking at security tapes, gas station, jewelry store, etc.
That site never did come up with anything that was favorable to their agenda did they ?

I have like 10 minutes here but just saw front page article where Dompig is saying Kalpoes are ready to break.  Is this new?  I thought Tacopina just told us Dompig was fired?  Whats going on?

No, she posted in here at SM when she was still posting here.  Said they offered to make a CD or DVD from the tape, not sure which but she meant some sort of disc onto which it would be downloaded at the newspaper for ALE.

Wish I had that post for I do recall her saying that.  Then later she was bragging about seeing/hearing it as well.

But it was from Bon Dia posts here at SM.  Maybe Klaas or VMS would still have that, not sure.  Bet she would deny it now, one of those things one should have saved but did not know at the time what a big deal it could turn out to be later.   :?

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Well, I guess even though Dompig is no longer police Chief, he can still talk.  Not sure what's going on.  Need to read article more closely but it is not from Dompig saying that long ago is it?  About the new case filed against them and the Dr. Phil business?

No longer being in office doesn't prevent one from blabbing.   :wink:


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I dont know I just skimmed trhough it real quick while im eating my lunch, thought maybe y'all might have taken a look at it. I wonder if this lawsuit was the K's last ditch effore to make some money off this thing before they finally break and come clean.  Maybe they were hoping Phil would toos enough money at them that they could flee to some quiet place and live happily ever after. Sort of an all or nothing thing.

The article says it is what former lead investigator Dompig says, blah blah, blah (no pun intended   :D ) so is supposed to be a current quote.

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Is anyone else getting a Runtime Error message when they post?

 :(  :shock:  :(

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ahhh  ok.  so even though he is former lead investigator, he is still somehow involved

Maybe the Kalpoes just wanted some quick as in no trial settlement from Phil thinking the network would rather settle than go to court.

Well, if it ever went to court, all those former ALE members would still be required to testify I would think.  I guess he is just keeping up with the Kalpoe lads or maybe it is true he is their uncle?  

Remember everyone knows what the rest of the island is doing unless it comes to criminal acts by a select few elitists then they don't know anything and not even each other.

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GOODMORNING ALL!  Looking through my Bondia/Glenda posts.  This will blow the margins..sorry.  Here are a couple I have:


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Do we have any idea what good ole Bon Dia meant when she said everyone except Yippee got a copy of Skeeters' tape? Do we know who Yippee is/was?

well, I have a few cutting boards to finish up, presents to wrap and then have to drive to the other side of town.  Get to do it all over again on Sunday, and and Monday.  Y'all have a good Christmas, i'll see ya when its finally all DONE !!!

That's great, Klaas!

She also said it in SM forum because I got mixed up between CD and DVD and Someone made a big deal out of it.  Said that the newspaper offered to or were downloading it to a disc (meaning CD or DVD) for ALE.  Then I don't recall if she said they actually did this but they did offer ALE to do so.

Reason it could become important a little bit now is establishing when ALE had or could have had access to the tape, etc.

Time frame.  Before or after it was aired.  That kind of thing.

I do know Skeeters got off the island with it fast as he could but then he did offer it to just about anybody who wanted it later.So I assume Bon Dia posting here meant they would download from the internet?  Was not sure about that either.

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RWV on the Evidence Board!   :shock:

Well, that would certainly explain a few things, lol!   :lol:  8)  :lol:

I don't know who Yippee is or was but don't think that part matters as long as ALE had access to the tape.  

AND. . . . it would appear that Deepak did as well.

My, my, my, it took that boy a VERY long time to decide he had been altered and tampered and manipulated!

Unrelated to the Skeeters tape but interresting regarding Joran killing his dog:

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We know this is a lie, even Paulus claims Joran probably was not on the bus nor did he go to school on May 30th:

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GLENDA is nothing more than a LIAR

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If you read the Kalpoe lawsuit, items 13 and 14. The boys were "targeted " . All they have to do is insert the case facts. They were not targeted for no particular reason as that would lead a person to believe if they knew nothing.
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Also , how would Kock or the Kalpoes know if the investigation was looking in another direction other than those three. Yes, they were released from detention, but never from suspicion.
How can they make that assumption ? And expect to just let it stand ?  
Going to have a hard time giving any substance to those items.

Just going through my stuff :wink: :

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i would like to take this opportunity to wish all who read here a Merry Christmas and the Best of the Festive Season.

Thanks Kat.  Happy Holidays to you also.

Same to you Kat_Gram!  Merry Christmas!

Thank you, Kat Gram, and the same to you and yours.

Regarding Rosie, unfortunately, her agenda is the same as many network and media types.  Afraid it might be a bit political, her getting programs, etc.   :roll:

JMO.

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I thought Larry Garrison just made that up about Julia writing a book, at least that's what she said at the time.   :wink:

Deepak and Skeeters were not speaking in Dutch and I would think a large portion of that file is not in Dutch at all.

 :roll:

Again - just going through my "stuff"  :wink:

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O/T

Be very wary of UPS. The driver told us last night that my missing laptop was sitting on a shelf at their office. The driver called again this morning to confirm that it was there and find out if we wanted him to deliver it or if we wanted to pick it up. Hubby said he'd pick it up. He went to the UPS office and the man at the counter told him again that we had no laptop there. The driver who had found it had to come in and get it off the shelf and give it to hubby. No one else at the office could find it sitting on their own shelf.  :roll:

So you have it now??  Glad to hear that anyway!