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Title: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 01, 2010, 10:23:45 AM It is finally here!!! ::MonkeyDance::
Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 01, 2010, 05:05:48 PM ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Tomorrow night!!!
JOLfan - did you read those last posts in the previous thread? Possible tie in to the Flash Forward show? ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 02, 2010, 10:18:16 AM ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Tomorrow night!!! JOLfan - did you read those last posts in the previous thread? Possible tie in to the Flash Forward show? ::MonkeyEek:: I know I was a little ahead of my self with the celebration...I just couldn't wait! ::MonkeyCheer4:: I did read the last posts on the previous thread...but I never watched Flash Forward so I would be really confused if that were true! Is Flash Forward still on? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 02, 2010, 10:47:33 AM I honestly don't know if it's still on, or if the season has ended. I only watched a few episodes.
Did you get a chance to go to this link posted in the other thread? http://tengossip.com/2009/09/26/the-flash-forwardlost-connection/ It IS rather freaky the connections there.................. In FF, "Charlie" from lost appears to be the individual responsible for the entire world (save a couple of people) blacking out at the same exact moment, for the same amount of time. That link should show you some things that I had missed in the few FFs I did watch. And I must say my jaw fell to my toes!!! I honestly don't know if these things are coincidences, or if the two shows really will tie together. I'm glad ABC is running the Finale from last season first tonight - I definitely need a memory refresher! Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 03, 2010, 09:10:52 AM OK, so we're back to more questions. ::MonkeyCool::
Does the Jack on the plane remember everything? At times he seems to, and at others not so much. Same question for Sawyer on the plane - after Hurley's "I won the lottery" announcement, Sawyer is looking at him either as a friend, or as his next con. And speaking of Hurley who never had anything but bad luck because of those numbers - he's now "the luckiest man alive"? Rose and Bernard - so this means the Rose on the plane still has cancer, right? Charlie being a crack head - that still fits with the Charlie before the crash, but what about his "I was supposed to die" statement? And why did Sayid join Jack at the bathroom after a request for a doctor was made? I found that odd. Kate the fugitive, that also still fits with the kate before the crash. As does the acrimony between Sun and Jin. So far the only one whose life appears different is Hurley's? Well, and of course Boon's sister - what was her name again? Her not being on the plane is different. And where are all the rest of them? Libby Anna Lucia, etc etc.... Back on the island...... Why are they on the island AND on the plane?? Atom bomb.................did it create a tear in the time line, giving them to realities - one not in touch with the other? Except for maybe Jack? Juliet told Sawyer via Miles that "it worked". Meaning the bomb worked, and they are NOT really on the island, right? Sayid on the island......Jacob directed them to the Temple to "save" Sayid. But jacob was dead. Is the come-back-to-life Sayid really Jacob? Did Jacob need a body to somehow return, like his old friend did with Locke's body? Good to know what the black monster is now, finally. ::MonkeyHaHa:: What does Richard know about Jacob and this other guy? And why was Richard "in chains" at one point? Are the answers about the mysterious Richard tied to Jacob and the other guy? Is he from their time? Did he come to the island when they did? And why is this other guy to be feared? By both the Temple inhabitants, and by Richard after he saw the flare. And who in the world are these Temple people anyway? And how did they get ahold of (and welcome) an 815 survivor, apparently right from the get go? And are the rest of Danielle's team in the temple? And what was the deal with seeing the entire island under water at the beginning? Oh. And why in the world was Desmond on the plane? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 03, 2010, 10:28:28 AM And according to an ad last night, new episodes of Flash Forward start in March.
And DUH!! The actress who plays Penelope in Lost is playing the doctor wife of the main guy in FF. In the few episodes I watched, I did see her - but just didn't make the connection of who she played in LOST. So that kind of blows the tie in of the two shows for me. Penelope is not a doctor in LOST, right? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 03, 2010, 02:07:36 PM Of all mornings work has been nutty...I have been trying to get to this for hours! LOL.
My thoughts in blue... OK, so we're back to more questions. ::MonkeyCool:: Many more questions! LOL Does the Jack on the plane remember everything? At times he seems to, and at others not so much. At times I thought he might have remembered some things/people...maybe like a deja vu thing. But I have a feeling they don't remember. Same question for Sawyer on the plane - after Hurley's "I won the lottery" announcement, Sawyer is looking at him either as a friend, or as his next con. And speaking of Hurley who never had anything but bad luck because of those numbers - he's now "the luckiest man alive"? I thought that was odd. Maybe he just wanted to shut Sawyer up and said he was lucky to avoid a big conversation of all the things that have gone wrong. I think I practically saw $$ in Sawyer's eyes when Hurley said he was a lottery winner. I wouldn't be surprised if Sawyer tries to track him down and con him. Rose and Bernard - so this means the Rose on the plane still has cancer, right? I think you are correct, especially since Locke is still crippled. Charlie being a crack head - that still fits with the Charlie before the crash, but what about his "I was supposed to die" statement? I don't know why he said that. Why did he even swallow the drugs? That didn't make sense to me. And why did Sayid join Jack at the bathroom after a request for a doctor was made? I found that odd. I found that odd also. Kate the fugitive, that also still fits with the kate before the crash. As does the acrimony between Sun and Jin. I felt bad for Sun. Island Sun made so much progress and plane Sun is still stuck with jerky Jin. Doesn't Sun know what Jin does for a living? Why would she be shocked about all that money? I was nervous that it was hers and she would have to explain that to Jin. That would have been interesting! LOL. So far the only one whose life appears different is Hurley's? I still think he was bluffing. Well, and of course Boone's sister - what was her name again? Her not being on the plane is different. And where are all the rest of them? Libby Anna Lucia, etc etc.... It was odd that Shannon (Boone's sister) didn't join Boone on the plane. I assume the actress wasn't available but it was still odd that this plane trip didn't follow the original plane trip. I would have rather had Boone not be shown at all...like Michael/Libby/Anna Lucia. Although I wasn't surprised Libby/Ann Lucia weren't shown since they were on the back of the plane. Back on the island...... Why are they on the island AND on the plane?? Atom bomb.................did it create a tear in the time line, giving them to realities - one not in touch with the other? Except for maybe Jack? I think the bomb split realities...like different dimensions. Juliet told Sawyer via Miles that "it worked". Meaning the bomb worked, and they are NOT really on the island, right? I think in their reality/dimension they are on the island but there is a reality/dimension that continues in the real world that is totally separate. Sayid on the island......Jacob directed them to the Temple to "save" Sayid. But jacob was dead. Is the come-back-to-life Sayid really Jacob? Did Jacob need a body to somehow return, like his old friend did with Locke's body? This is exactly what I think. Sayid seemed to make amends for his past and was therefore the perfect candidate to embody Jacob. Good to know what the black monster is now, finally. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Finally a HUGE question is answered! I figured that the smoke monster was the "black shirt" guy. We also now know why Jacob's cabin was surrounded by ash. I wonder why the ash acts like a barrier to the smoke monster. I did like when Locke 2.0 (as I have come to call him...LOL) said to Ben that he was sorry Ben had to see him like that. I really like how Locke and Locke 2.0 are polar opposites. It must be a blast for the actor to play this new character. What does Richard know about Jacob and this other guy? And why was Richard "in chains" at one point? Are the answers about the mysterious Richard tied to Jacob and the other guy? Is he from their time? Did he come to the island when they did? And why is this other guy to be feared? By both the Temple inhabitants, and by Richard after he saw the flare. I think Richard knows a lot about the good/evil on the island. When Locke 2.0 mentioned the chains the first thing I thought of is the Black Rock. Was Richard on the Black Rock, in chains as a slave of some kind, and maybe was saved/rescued by Jacob? Also, why did Locke 2.0 knock Richard out? Is it to use him as bait when he gets to the Temple? For some reason I believe Richard is "chosen" and holds big time answers to the island. He has been there so long he HAS to have some answers. And who in the world are these Temple people anyway? And how did they get ahold of (and welcome) an 815 survivor, apparently right from the get go? And are the rest of Danielle's team in the temple? I think the stewardess was on the original List from Jacob and therefore accepted into the Temple people no questions asked. Maybe they are pure instead of corrupted in some way. Like our survivors all seemed to be corrupted/broken/damaged from various life events. From what I saw it looked like the 815 survivors that were taken/accepted by the Temple didn't seem to have it so bad. LOL. And what was the deal with seeing the entire island under water at the beginning? I think the island being under water is part of the new reality for the plane people. To them/the world it doesn't exist. Oh. And why in the world was Desmond on the plane? I was shocked by that. But I guess that goes with the above that the island doesn't exist in their reality. Some additional thoughts.... I liked how in this flight and in the original crash Jack couldn’t find a pen to do his operation. I also thought the stewardess gave Jack 2 bottles of liquor in the original flight. He put the second in his pocket which Kate later used to sterilize his injury. I could be wrong. I loved how Sawyer helped Kate in the elevator. Also, what a nice surprise to see Claire alive and well in the cab. But I still want to know what happened to her on the island. It will be interesting to see how their lives progress in L.A. I also liked the Jack/Locke conversation at the service counter. Could Jack actually "fix" Locke in this reality? Locke deserves a break. LOL. Poor Locke...having to lie to Boone about why he was in Australia. ::MonkeyNoNo:: But I did enjoy the comment if they crash Boone was going to stick with Locke. If he only knew that is what gets him killed in a different reality. ::MonkeyDevil:: Why did Jack stop trying to save Sayid when Kate told him to. He is usually so stubborn and the "old" Jack wouldn't have given up so easily. OK...Juliet...I don't know if you remember but I am NOT a Juliet fan. When she started making noise and they were trying to save her I was so annoyed. But I am glad that Sawyer got some kind of closure by being able to see her again and then burying her. I think that helped his rage towards Jack even out. I can't wait for next week. Do you know how many episodes there are this season? It is usually 18? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 03, 2010, 02:16:21 PM And according to an ad last night, new episodes of Flash Forward start in March. And DUH!! The actress who plays Penelope in Lost is playing the doctor wife of the main guy in FF. In the few episodes I watched, I did see her - but just didn't make the connection of who she played in LOST. So that kind of blows the tie in of the two shows for me. Penelope is not a doctor in LOST, right? I thought of you when I saw that commercial. I don't think there will be a crossover. Since not everyone that watches Lost watches FF that would be very confusing. Does the actor who played Charlie play a rocker in FF? I don't think they ever an indication of Penny's profession. Also...the actress that plays Juliet is in V. Funny how these actors go from one sci-fi show to other sci-fi shows. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 03, 2010, 02:47:52 PM LOL - I am continually amazed with these writers - they certainly know how to keep us guessing!!
Mine in green.... Of all mornings work has been nutty...I have been trying to get to this for hours! LOL. My thoughts in blue... OK, so we're back to more questions. ::MonkeyCool:: Many more questions! LOL Does the Jack on the plane remember everything? At times he seems to, and at others not so much. At times I thought he might have remembered some things/people...maybe like a deja vu thing. But I have a feeling they don't remember. I know in Daniel's theory they weren't supposed to remember - but Jack's emotions just seemed excessive for simple turbulence and such. So I almost think he does remember. Some things anyway.....maybe. And what was that bloody cut on his neck? I don't remember much from the initial flight, so your insights below were great for my memory!! Thank you! Same question for Sawyer on the plane - after Hurley's "I won the lottery" announcement, Sawyer is looking at him either as a friend, or as his next con. And speaking of Hurley who never had anything but bad luck because of those numbers - he's now "the luckiest man alive"? I thought that was odd. Maybe he just wanted to shut Sawyer up and said he was lucky to avoid a big conversation of all the things that have gone wrong. I think I practically saw $$ in Sawyer's eyes when Hurley said he was a lottery winner. I wouldn't be surprised if Sawyer tries to track him down and con him. But this Sawyer seemed a much nicer character than what we saw of the old pre-island Sawyer. And remember, he just killed the wrong man in Sydney. So his friendly demeanor was even more odd for me. Rose and Bernard - so this means the Rose on the plane still has cancer, right? I think you are correct, especially since Locke is still crippled. Charlie being a crack head - that still fits with the Charlie before the crash, but what about his "I was supposed to die" statement? I don't know why he said that. Why did he even swallow the drugs? That didn't make sense to me. I'm thinking he was trying to get the drugs out of his stomach, and not into it? Smuggled them on by having swallowed them, then was trying to get them back out to get his fix. And why did Sayid join Jack at the bathroom after a request for a doctor was made? I found that odd. I found that odd also. So it's these little things that make me think maybe some of them DO remember? Kate the fugitive, that also still fits with the kate before the crash. As does the acrimony between Sun and Jin. I felt bad for Sun. Island Sun made so much progress and plane Sun is still stuck with jerky Jin. Doesn't Sun know what Jin does for a living? Why would she be shocked about all that money? I was nervous that it was hers and she would have to explain that to Jin. That would have been interesting! LOL. I think I remember Sun knows that Jin works for her father, but not that he's a thug. So far the only one whose life appears different is Hurley's? I still think he was bluffing. Well, and of course Boone's sister - what was her name again? Her not being on the plane is different. And where are all the rest of them? Libby Anna Lucia, etc etc.... It was odd that Shannon (Boone's sister) didn't join Boone on the plane. I assume the actress wasn't available but it was still odd that this plane trip didn't follow the original plane trip. I would have rather had Boone not be shown at all...like Michael/Libby/Anna Lucia. Although I wasn't surprised Libby/Ann Lucia weren't shown since they were on the back of the plane. YES, Shannon. thanks!! Do you remember anything about that annoying guy who was peppering Hurley with questions? I don't know if I remember him from the original flight. And if we are supposed to remember him, wouldn't he have been in the back of the plane w/Anna Lucia and Libby......because if he was there originally, he had to be with that group? Back on the island...... Why are they on the island AND on the plane?? Atom bomb.................did it create a tear in the time line, giving them to realities - one not in touch with the other? Except for maybe Jack? I think the bomb split realities...like different dimensions. But here's what I really don't get. If it just split realities, and the crash never happened - then why was the Hatch blown up? Why was the hatch even there? The hatch only got blown up because of what 815 people did to interfere with Desmond pushing the button. So if the crash never happened, then the hatch never blew up, right? And if the crash never happened, then the electro magnetic field surrounding the island was never there, because the bomb neutralized it, right? And so the hatch was never built, right? And so no Desmond there to push the button, right? Because it was tht same energy that pulled his sailboat off course into the island in the first place, right? ::MonkeyJnBox:: Juliet told Sawyer via Miles that "it worked". Meaning the bomb worked, and they are NOT really on the island, right? I think in their reality/dimension they are on the island but there is a reality/dimension that continues in the real world that is totally separate. Sayid on the island......Jacob directed them to the Temple to "save" Sayid. But jacob was dead. Is the come-back-to-life Sayid really Jacob? Did Jacob need a body to somehow return, like his old friend did with Locke's body? This is exactly what I think. Sayid seemed to make amends for his past and was therefore the perfect candidate to embody Jacob. LOL - well at least here's something that maybe we've figured out for sure! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good to know what the black monster is now, finally. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Finally a HUGE question is answered! I figured that the smoke monster was the "black shirt" guy. We also now know why Jacob's cabin was surrounded by ash. I wonder why the ash acts like a barrier to the smoke monster. I did like when Locke 2.0 (as I have come to call him...LOL) said to Ben that he was sorry Ben had to see him like that. I really like how Locke and Locke 2.0 are polar opposites. It must be a blast for the actor to play this new character. I agree - the actor must be having a ball. Locke 2.0.....I like it!! You know what I really like to see? Ben being completely confused and humbled. Those must be completely foreign feelings for him. What does Richard know about Jacob and this other guy? And why was Richard "in chains" at one point? Are the answers about the mysterious Richard tied to Jacob and the other guy? Is he from their time? Did he come to the island when they did? And why is this other guy to be feared? By both the Temple inhabitants, and by Richard after he saw the flare. I think Richard knows a lot about the good/evil on the island. When Locke 2.0 mentioned the chains the first thing I thought of is the Black Rock. Was Richard on the Black Rock, in chains as a slave of some kind, and maybe was saved/rescued by Jacob? Also, why did Locke 2.0 knock Richard out? Is it to use him as bait when he gets to the Temple? For some reason I believe Richard is "chosen" and holds big time answers to the island. He has been there so long he HAS to have some answers. But who is the Good, and who is the Evil on the island? Black shirt or jacob........good/evil. ?? I honestly can't tell. Black shirt made the comment (do we have a name for him yet) about how Jacob brings people to the island, and it always ends the same. Jacob said it does, but everything to that point is progress. WTH does that mean? If Richard was saved/chosen by Jacob - is that a good thing or a bad thing for Richard? Because Richard enlisted Ben, who we know was a royal jerk and a murderer. Can you remind me about Black Rock? I am drawing a complete blank there.... but I do agree with you, Richard is chosen for something, and he has much knowledge. And who in the world are these Temple people anyway? And how did they get ahold of (and welcome) an 815 survivor, apparently right from the get go? And are the rest of Danielle's team in the temple? I think the stewardess was on the original List from Jacob and therefore accepted into the Temple people no questions asked. Maybe they are pure instead of corrupted in some way. Like our survivors all seemed to be corrupted/broken/damaged from various life events. From what I saw it looked like the 815 survivors that were taken/accepted by the Temple didn't seem to have it so bad. LOL. Jacob had a list? LOL, ok that makes sense then that they were all asked their names. And they all replied with first and last name. If entry is related to purity/innocence, then why was a very pregnant, very young Danielle never granted entry? She didn't seem corrupted. Hmmmm..... And what was the deal with seeing the entire island under water at the beginning? I think the island being under water is part of the new reality for the plane people. To them/the world it doesn't exist. That could be! For some reason though, I'm thinking of when Ben first moved the island, and it seemed to disappear right into the water. I'm very interested in this aspect of the show. Oh. And why in the world was Desmond on the plane? I was shocked by that. But I guess that goes with the above that the island doesn't exist in their reality. OK.......do you remember where Desmond's sail round the world was supposed to end? Was it Sydney? Some additional thoughts.... I liked how in this flight and in the original crash Jack couldn’t find a pen to do his operation. Help here???? Who was the operation on for the original flight? I also thought the stewardess gave Jack 2 bottles of liquor in the original flight. He put the second in his pocket which Kate later used to sterilize his injury. I could be wrong. I don't remember any of that...........really not much at all about the original flight. And wouldn't that have been earlier in the flight anyway? Nearer their origination rather than LA? I loved how Sawyer helped Kate in the elevator. Also, what a nice surprise to see Claire alive and well in the cab. But I still want to know what happened to her on the island. It will be interesting to see how their lives progress in L.A. I also liked the Jack/Locke conversation at the service counter. Could Jack actually "fix" Locke in this reality? Locke deserves a break. LOL. I liked all of this also. And see???? That goes back to my earlier thoughts on Sawyer being WAAAAAYYYY more friendly here than the original Sawyer was. I really did like seeing Jack and Locke being friendly! Poor Locke...having to lie to Boone about why he was in Australia. ::MonkeyNoNo:: But I did enjoy the comment if they crash Boone was going to stick with Locke. If he only knew that is what gets him killed in a different reality. ::MonkeyDevil:: LOL - no kidding. The irony, eh? Locke also seemed in better spirits than the old Locke - there was no anger or rage or self pitying going on here....... Why did Jack stop trying to save Sayid when Kate told him to. He is usually so stubborn and the "old" Jack wouldn't have given up so easily. \ That bothered me as well, you could tell he was really beating himself up for the loss of both Juliet and Sayid. OK...Juliet...I don't know if you remember but I am NOT a Juliet fan. When she started making noise and they were trying to save her I was so annoyed. But I am glad that Sawyer got some kind of closure by being able to see her again and then burying her. I think that helped his rage towards Jack even out. LOL - I do remember your dislike of Juliet. Did you notice though? I don't think it was the same actress. The bone structure in her face wasn't the same, IMO. And that also goes back to the alternate reality thing.....Juliet would never have been on the island, and she never would have known any of the 815. LOL I'm so confused!! I can't wait for next week. Do you know how many episodes there are this season? It is usually 18? I really don't have a clue how many episodes they will have this year. I'll look around and see if I can find out. It's great sharing thoughts with you again!! ::MonkeyKiss:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 03, 2010, 02:49:43 PM And according to an ad last night, new episodes of Flash Forward start in March. And DUH!! The actress who plays Penelope in Lost is playing the doctor wife of the main guy in FF. In the few episodes I watched, I did see her - but just didn't make the connection of who she played in LOST. So that kind of blows the tie in of the two shows for me. Penelope is not a doctor in LOST, right? I thought of you when I saw that commercial. I don't think there will be a crossover. Since not everyone that watches Lost watches FF that would be very confusing. Does the actor who played Charlie play a rocker in FF? I don't think they ever an indication of Penny's profession. Also...the actress that plays Juliet is in V. Funny how these actors go from one sci-fi show to other sci-fi shows. No, I don't believe "Charlie" is a rocker in FF. But I didn't watch enough of it know what exactly he does. I'm trying to wrack my brain on whether or not we ever knew what Penelope did? LOL - I have never watched V, but I do remember seeing "Juliet" in the commercials for it. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 03, 2010, 03:29:14 PM Ah Ha! Seems there will be 16 episodes.
Here is an "Episode Guide" for last night's show. Seems we caught most of what is pointed out here: http://lost.about.com/od/cluesbyepisode/a/6x1clu.htm LA X Clues •Things seem to be slightly different on Flight 815 than they were the first time we saw it. •When Jack talks to Cindy on the plane in episode 1x1, Pilot Part 1 she gives him two bottles of vodka, but in this episode, she only gives him one. Also instead of putting it in his pocket as he'd done before, he pours it into his cup. •Sawyer seems nicer than he should be when he bumps into the Marshal and when he talks to Hurley about getting taken advantage of. •Hurley feels like he's the luckiest guy alive (rather than cursed by the numbers). •Locke says he went on the walkabout, but more likely he is telling Boone what he wished would have happened instead of what actually did, otherwise he wouldn't have been on that flight. •Shannon was not with Boone. •Charlie didn't run into the bathroom, bumping into Jack with the flight attendants running after him. Instead he was in the bathroom for half an hour before they even did anything. •The Marshal's haliburton case was in the overhead compartment rather than under the seat. •Jack had blood on his neck after the turbulence in the alternate timeline. •Locke's words to Bram are interesting. He says that Jacob is dead so "you're free." What is he free from? Did Jacob have some kind of hold on him? •Charlie says he was supposed to die (yet Jack saved him like he had on the island). •Juliet talks about something that may have happened in the past, completely removed from the present, just like Charlotte did right before she died. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 04, 2010, 01:58:38 PM Me in Red.
My thoughts in blue... OK, so we're back to more questions. ::MonkeyCool:: It's great sharing thoughts with you again!! ::MonkeyKiss::Many more questions! LOL Does the Jack on the plane remember everything? At times he seems to, and at others not so much. At times I thought he might have remembered some things/people...maybe like a deja vu thing. But I have a feeling they don't remember. I know in Daniel's theory they weren't supposed to remember - but Jack's emotions just seemed excessive for simple turbulence and such. So I almost think he does remember. Some things anyway.....maybe. And what was that bloody cut on his neck? I don't remember much from the initial flight, so your insights below were great for my memory!! Thank you! I forgot about the cut on Jack's neck. I have no idea how that would relate to the bomb going off. Same question for Sawyer on the plane - after Hurley's "I won the lottery" announcement, Sawyer is looking at him either as a friend, or as his next con. And speaking of Hurley who never had anything but bad luck because of those numbers - he's now "the luckiest man alive"? I thought that was odd. Maybe he just wanted to shut Sawyer up and said he was lucky to avoid a big conversation of all the things that have gone wrong. I think I practically saw $$ in Sawyer's eyes when Hurley said he was a lottery winner. I wouldn't be surprised if Sawyer tries to track him down and con him. But this Sawyer seemed a much nicer character than what we saw of the old pre-island Sawyer. And remember, he just killed the wrong man in Sydney. So his friendly demeanor was even more odd for me. Good catch about Sawyer. Charlie being a crack head - that still fits with the Charlie before the crash, but what about his "I was supposed to die" statement? I don't know why he said that. Why did he even swallow the drugs? That didn't make sense to me. I'm thinking he was trying to get the drugs out of his stomach, and not into it? Smuggled them on by having swallowed them, then was trying to get them back out to get his fix. Gross! LOL. But why would he have to smuggle them on this time? Unless he did that last time too and we just didn't know about it. Well, and of course Boone's sister - what was her name again? Her not being on the plane is different. And where are all the rest of them? Libby Anna Lucia, etc etc.... It was odd that Shannon (Boone's sister) didn't join Boone on the plane. I assume the actress wasn't available but it was still odd that this plane trip didn't follow the original plane trip. I would have rather had Boone not be shown at all...like Michael/Libby/Anna Lucia. Although I wasn't surprised Libby/Ann Lucia weren't shown since they were on the back of the plane. YES, Shannon. thanks!! Do you remember anything about that annoying guy who was peppering Hurley with questions? I don't know if I remember him from the original flight. And if we are supposed to remember him, wouldn't he have been in the back of the plane w/Anna Lucia and Libby......because if he was there originally, he had to be with that group? The guy that was questioning Hurley was on the island. His name was Artz? He was a science teacher. He warned the raft builders in season 1 about having to get going before the storms started. He also collected the spiders that that girl used to make her boyfriend (Pablo?) become paralyzed and then she got paralyzed and they were buried alive. He also died after the TNT blew up at the Black Rock (see below for a recap on the Black Rock). Remember, he was blown to smithereens? Back on the island...... Why are they on the island AND on the plane?? Atom bomb.................did it create a tear in the time line, giving them to realities - one not in touch with the other? Except for maybe Jack? I think the bomb split realities...like different dimensions. But here's what I really don't get. If it just split realities, and the crash never happened - then why was the Hatch blown up? Why was the hatch even there? The hatch only got blown up because of what 815 people did to interfere with Desmond pushing the button. So if the crash never happened, then the hatch never blew up, right? And if the crash never happened, then the electro magnetic field surrounding the island was never there, because the bomb neutralized it, right? And so the hatch was never built, right? And so no Desmond there to push the button, right? Because it was tht same energy that pulled his sailboat off course into the island in the first place, right? ::MonkeyJnBox:: I think the survivors' reality/dimensions split not the island's. For the survivors on the island their time line is still intact. So everything that has happened on and to the island to date stays the same. Possibly?!? Good to know what the black monster is now, finally. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Finally a HUGE question is answered! I figured that the smoke monster was the "black shirt" guy. We also now know why Jacob's cabin was surrounded by ash. I wonder why the ash acts like a barrier to the smoke monster. I did like when Locke 2.0 (as I have come to call him...LOL) said to Ben that he was sorry Ben had to see him like that. I really like how Locke and Locke 2.0 are polar opposites. It must be a blast for the actor to play this new character. I agree - the actor must be having a ball. Locke 2.0.....I like it!! You know what I really like to see? Ben being completely confused and humbled. Those must be completely foreign feelings for him. I'm sure that is coming. How could he NOT be confused? LOL. What does Richard know about Jacob and this other guy? And why was Richard "in chains" at one point? Are the answers about the mysterious Richard tied to Jacob and the other guy? Is he from their time? Did he come to the island when they did? And why is this other guy to be feared? By both the Temple inhabitants, and by Richard after he saw the flare. I think Richard knows a lot about the good/evil on the island. When Locke 2.0 mentioned the chains the first thing I thought of is the Black Rock. Was Richard on the Black Rock, in chains as a slave of some kind, and maybe was saved/rescued by Jacob? Also, why did Locke 2.0 knock Richard out? Is it to use him as bait when he gets to the Temple? For some reason I believe Richard is "chosen" and holds big time answers to the island. He has been there so long he HAS to have some answers. But who is the Good, and who is the Evil on the island? Black shirt or jacob........good/evil. ?? I honestly can't tell. Black shirt made the comment (do we have a name for him yet) about how Jacob brings people to the island, and it always ends the same. Jacob said it does, but everything to that point is progress. WTH does that mean? If Richard was saved/chosen by Jacob - is that a good thing or a bad thing for Richard? Because Richard enlisted Ben, who we know was a royal jerk and a murderer. Can you remind me about Black Rock? I am drawing a complete blank there.... but I do agree with you, Richard is chosen for something, and he has much knowledge. We don't have a name for black shirt guy yet. I have assumed he was the "evil" side and Jacob was the "good" side, strictly on the black and white thing. Black is usually associated with evil and white is usually associated with good. But I wouldn't be surprised if the writers switched it up on us. LOL. The Black Rock is the boat that got stuck on the island. This is where Danielle took the survivors and where the TNT was. See above...where Artz died. It was also shown on the recap in the beginning of the episode when Jacob and black shirt guy were talking. On the boat Locke/Jack/Kate discovered skeletons in chains leading us to believe it was a slave ship. And who in the world are these Temple people anyway? And how did they get ahold of (and welcome) an 815 survivor, apparently right from the get go? And are the rest of Danielle's team in the temple? I think the stewardess was on the original List from Jacob and therefore accepted into the Temple people no questions asked. Maybe they are pure instead of corrupted in some way. Like our survivors all seemed to be corrupted/broken/damaged from various life events. From what I saw it looked like the 815 survivors that were taken/accepted by the Temple didn't seem to have it so bad. LOL. Jacob had a list? LOL, ok that makes sense then that they were all asked their names. And they all replied with first and last name. If entry is related to purity/innocence, then why was a very pregnant, very young Danielle never granted entry? She didn't seem corrupted. Hmmmm..... Jacob's lists were what Ben's people went on when they were kidnapping people in season 1 after the crash. Remember some people were kidnapped like the stewardess and kids. Eko killed one (or two) at one point when they came into the his camp on the first or second night. I don't know about Danielle. Maybe she couldn't be accepted into the Temple because Ben stole Alex. She would have not allowed Ben to keep Alex if she was in the Temple. Oh. And why in the world was Desmond on the plane? I was shocked by that. But I guess that goes with the above that the island doesn't exist in their reality. OK.......do you remember where Desmond's sail round the world was supposed to end? Was it Sydney? I will have to check into this. I'm not sure. Some additional thoughts.... I liked how in this flight and in the original crash Jack couldn’t find a pen to do his operation. Help here???? Who was the operation on for the original flight? It was right after the crash. He needed a pen (for Rose I think) to get her breathing again. He sent Boone around looking for a pen, which he found way after the fact. I also liked the Jack/Locke conversation at the service counter. Could Jack actually "fix" Locke in this reality? Locke deserves a break. LOL. I liked all of this also. And see???? That goes back to my earlier thoughts on Sawyer being WAAAAAYYYY more friendly here than the original Sawyer was. I really did like seeing Jack and Locke being friendly! True...they did all seem to have a calmness to them. OK...Juliet...I don't know if you remember but I am NOT a Juliet fan. When she started making noise and they were trying to save her I was so annoyed. But I am glad that Sawyer got some kind of closure by being able to see her again and then burying her. I think that helped his rage towards Jack even out. LOL - I do remember your dislike of Juliet. Did you notice though? I don't think it was the same actress. The bone structure in her face wasn't the same, IMO. And that also goes back to the alternate reality thing.....Juliet would never have been on the island, and she never would have known any of the 815. LOL I'm so confused!! It was the same actress...I think you were thrown off by the darkness and blood on her. I can't wait for next week. Do you know how many episodes there are this season? It is usually 18? I really don't have a clue how many episodes they will have this year. I'll look around and see if I can find out. Agreed!!! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 04, 2010, 02:11:15 PM Me in Red.
Ah Ha! Seems there will be 16 episodes. Here is an "Episode Guide" for last night's show. Seems we caught most of what is pointed out here: We are so AWESOME!! LOL. http://lost.about.com/od/cluesbyepisode/a/6x1clu.htm •The Marshal's haliburton case was in the overhead compartment rather than under the seat. I didn't notice this. •Locke's words to Bram Who is Bram? One of the bodyguards? are interesting. He says that Jacob is dead so "you're free." What is he free from? Did Jacob have some kind of hold on him? •Charlie says he was supposed to die (yet Jack saved him like he had on the island). Maybe Charlie felt his destiny was to die like on the island when Desmond kept saving him? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2010, 08:28:50 AM Me in Red. Ah Ha! Seems there will be 16 episodes. Here is an "Episode Guide" for last night's show. Seems we caught most of what is pointed out here: We are so AWESOME!! LOL. ::MonkeyDevil:: http://lost.about.com/od/cluesbyepisode/a/6x1clu.htm •The Marshal's haliburton case was in the overhead compartment rather than under the seat. I didn't notice this. Well with my memory of the original plane ride, I certainly didn't either, LOL. BUT wasn't that case found in the Lagoon after the crash? I think I remember Kate and....Sawyer?......diving for it. Was it because of the Marshall's gun? I don't remember what they were after in that case. •Locke's words to Bram Who is Bram? One of the bodyguards? are interesting. He says that Jacob is dead so "you're free." What is he free from? Did Jacob have some kind of hold on him? Yes, Bram is one of the bodybuards - the bigger guy......brunette. I wondered about the "free" part also - maybe these bodyguards were a part of how/why Jacob has been able to come and go from the island? And now I'm having a brain fart - did it seem at all like they and Richard knew each other? •Charlie says he was supposed to die (yet Jack saved him like he had on the island). Maybe Charlie felt his destiny was to die like on the island when Desmond kept saving him? that could be.......which would also go in line with my thoughts that Jack......maybe Sawyer......and now Charlie? Remember something of the island? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 05, 2010, 08:31:53 AM Thank you for the memory help on the Black Rock, Artz, and Rose.
Yes, now I remember Black Rock, and the skeletons in chains. Also remember Artz getting blown up. Good thought on Richard and Black Rock.........since that is the only place we have seen what could have been slaves - that is definitely the best guess we have so far. Do we know when the ship got there? I'm still wondering if that was when Jacob and black shirt did..... Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on February 07, 2010, 02:33:12 PM Hello fellow Lost Fans. So glad to come here and read questions and ponderings about the latest show that have been rattling around in my mind also. I agree that the tie in with the show Flash Forward just doesn't connect. It was interesting at the time I read it but the more I thought about it, the more it just doesn't work.
Why in the world did we see the island under water when we see them all on the island later above water? This is something that really sticks in my mind I'd love to have an answer to. I go to sleep at night trying to figure out all the puzzles. lol. Have even wondered if this is some kind of purgatory like in the movie The Others with Nicole Kidman. The title gives me the creeps thinking about The Others on the island in Lost. lol. I watched an interview with the writers and I'm still whining that they're not going to answer all the questions about the island's mysterious powers. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 08, 2010, 08:40:38 AM Hello NickandNora!
I've wondered about the Purgatory idea for a few seasons now. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on February 11, 2010, 10:09:11 PM Hi Jen. You're the first Lost fan I've met that is wondering about it too.
I find it hard to believe that Sayid could be evil. No way! ::MonkeyWaa:: He's one of my favorites. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 12, 2010, 10:23:12 AM I wasn't able to watch on Tuesday, and had to watch yesterday on the computer. I guess missing all the commercials was nice though. ::MonkeyHaHa::
I like Sayid also, it will be very strange to watch him become a bad guy. So what (or who) are the Temple people thinking he's infected with? I thought to them Jacob was the good guy? So are they thinking Jacob inhabited Sayid's body, and is evil? I'm so confused! And why would their leader guy be so upset if Jack swallowed that pill? Couldn't he just make another one? Why is it a big deal that all the 815 folk are safe and inside the Temple walls? I don't like seeing Sawyer in such a twist over Juliette. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Hopefully he'll get past that soon! And what's up with Claire "knowing" Aaron's name? That's kind of in line with my thoughts from last week about some of them remembering the island stuff. I laughed at the taxi driver running over that one guy's luggage, and the fit that guy threw. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 12, 2010, 10:25:27 AM Oh. And what's the deal with saying Claire has turned dark, or whatever they called it?
Reminds me of when she was in Jacob's cabin with Christian. Remember it was Christian who helped Locke turn the wheel to get the 815 folks back to the island. Why? Why does Jacob want them all there? Maybe all this really does mean Jacob is the evil one, and black shirt is the good guy? And how did Russo die? And why did the Temple people not want anything about that known? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 12, 2010, 04:35:08 PM Hello NickandNora! I've wondered about the Purgatory idea for a few seasons now. Hi NickandNora and Jen! I haven't had any time to jot down my thoughts on the last episode yet...but I plan to this weekend. I did look into the Purgatory issues. This was previously debunked by JJ Abrams. Please see below...I found this on the Lostepedia web site: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Purgatory_%28debunked_theory%29 • The purgatory theory was debunked by J.J. Abrams in a Zap2it interview published in March 14, 2005, "though he claimed to like the idea." • The theory was again expressly debunked by executive producer Damon Lindelof in a New York Times interview published on May 25, 2006. Noting the fact that the finale of Season 2 shows the outside world in the present (as opposed to a flashback) for the first time, Lindelof added: "People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world." • This theory was rejected again by Damon Lindelof on the October 6, 2006 podcast. • Following the airing of "D.O.C." and Naomi's revelation that the wreckage of Oceanic Flight 815 was allegedly found and there were no survivors, the "purgatory" theory was again debunked twice; first by Damon Lindelof in an interview with E! Online [1], stating that "If we did such a thing after repeatedly stating otherwise, we'd be tarred and feathered!"; and second, by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse in the April 30, 2007 podcast, insisting out that "we were not lying, it's not purgatory" and listing several possible other explanations for Naomi's revelation. • This theory is almost certainly wrong now that we have seen the listening station, hard evidence that the outside world is still there. • The theory was debunked in Entertainment Weekly with the sentence "These people have hearts, and when those hearts stop beating, they die." • Not all survivors have issues we know about, also people die/disappear that are clearly not innocent. • Not from all people who die it is clear what they came to terms with or why they could leave the purgatory (e.g. Nathan and the Marshal). • Its said that Leslie Arzt died after getting over being a social outcast but first of all this problem is not serious enough to get him in purgatory and second of all the process of getting over it is no more than realizing and admitting it to Hurley. • The Marshal had an unfulfilled duty, upon passing on that duty to someone else he died. • It does not explain the Numbers. (unless the Numbers are simply a problem of Hurley which he is confronted with on the Island) • If the Island is a place that should decide your fate in the afterlife based on your earthly sins then why Aaron gets born here? (In the case of original sin he should have died after being baptized.) • If Richard Malkin is really a psychic and wants to protect Aaron then why did he put Claire on flight 815 (knowing that it would crash and all passengers would die)? • It's possible that Malkin actually wanted to destroy Aaron. Perhaps he knew that Claire would somehow be responsible for his death, so he encouraged her to keep him: when that didn't work, he put her on a doomed flight. • The theory that they all become "redeemed" before their deaths, could be nothing more than fully realizing a character before they leave the show. • If the Island is purgatory, all "redeemed deaths" would be caused by the Island. That calls at the very least Ana Lucia and Libby's deaths into question. • Welll...they were shot by Michael on behalf of Ben, who takes orders from Jacob, so... • Several characters, such as Juliet Burke and Ben Linus, are depicted as being most certainly alive when they arrive on the Island. • Richard Alpert is shown to have been living on the Island when Ben was a child up until at least the Purge ("The Man Behind the Curtain"). He is later shown to have gone off-island to recruit Juliet ("Not in Portland"), before returning at Ben's instruction ("One of Us"). This seems impossible if the Island is purgatory. • Unless he were an angel. • Jack and Kate are both shown to have returned to the outside world following the events on the Island ("Through the Looking Glass, Part 1"). • Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse again debunked this theory in a Lost recap special when they added that the Losties are not dead and "do exist somewhere in the space time continuum" • With all the events from season 4, such as the freighter people coming to the Island and the flash-forwards revealing that some people will actually leave the Island, this theory seems to be finally dead in the water for good Sorry. :2brickwall: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 17, 2010, 02:22:00 PM I have come to the conclusion that I didn't enjoy last weeks episode. I kept thinking about posting my thoughts and then I realized I didn't have many about it. ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am tired of Kate. It was nice to see Claire. The way she "knew" Aaron's name was odd. I guess that goes with the possibility of a faint memory of life on the island. Jack taking the poison was silly. I kind of wish they let him swallow it. ::MonkeyDevil:: Will Sayid turn evil? Has Claire? Argh!
On to last night... ::piggy:: I ::MonkeyHeart:: me some Locke. Seeing him off the island was fun. I loved that he was with Helen. That made me happy. I did bother me when Helen said they should push up their wedding and then said something about Locke's father. Uh....why would Locke want him around. Beside stealing his kidney and crippling him the guy has done nothing for him! ::MonkeyMad:: I like how the survivors are interacting off the island. Hurley was so nice to Locke. I wonder why these people aren't recogniziong each other from the plane. At least Hurley...he is kind of hard to miss. Wouldn't Rose know Hurley, her boss, was on the same plane from Australia? How in the world did Locke get a teaching job. That was out there. Shouldn't you have at least some experience in teaching to be a substitute? What was up with the names in the cave? What makes these people candidates and candidates for what? I don't believe a single thing Locke 2.0 is saying. He's a sneaky little man. Seeing Richard so scared was interesting. All this time I thought Richard knew what was going on but he was just blindly following Jacob. I can't wait until some real answers start emerging!! Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 17, 2010, 02:49:39 PM "Flash Sideways" ::MonkeyTongue::
So that's what they're calling the current off island activities. "What would have happened if Oceanic 815 had landed at LAX." I do so enjoy seeing the prior week's episode with the captions at the bottom to explain what we can overwhemingly miss or not understand! ::MonkeyHaHa:: I also thought it was weird that mention of having Locke's dad at the wedding. ?? And yes, surely Rose and Hurley would have known the other was on the plane...........and maybe they did? We haven't seen or heard any direct interaction between them at the temp agency. I was actually kind of disappointed to see Richard so surprised, unsure, and scared. I was hoping some answers would be forthcoming from him. At least Locke 2.0 appears to be giving some truths to Sawyer about what in the world is going on. Dunno about the candidates - and I wonder if it's because they're candidates that they have to be protected, and not killed? Maybe that's why Locke was healed by the island.............because he was a candidate? But then what about Rose and the island curing her cancer? Makes sense for Jack's easy appendectomy recovery too. And why was Kate's name not there? She's still alive, but is not a candidate? So if the candidates must not be killed, is that why everyone is so adamant to keep/get them inside the Temple? If so, then is that why they let Kate out to find Sawyer? If so, then the Kwan name must be Sun, rather than Jin - because they let him go with Kate. HA! Speculation at its finest!!! ::MonkeyDevil:: I don't believe that Locke 2.0 is telling Sawyer the truth about any of his "3 options". So that little kid that both Locke 2.0 and Sawyer saw - is THAT Jacob reincarnated? If not, who the heck is he? Because it's obvious he's been around for forever, and knows the "rules". So I'm gathering that everyone adhered to what Jacob told them to do, and now he's dead, he can't "protect" them from black shirt? Only the Temple can do that? I don't like drunk, apathetic Sawyer. He's driving me bonkers! I also want to know what's up with Claire? If she became "infected" and turned bad, then when was she infected? She left Aaron in the middle of the woods, so I'm presuming it must have been before that? And how did both she and Sayid become "infected"? Because I now no longer think Jacob is alive again in Sayid. Did Ethan "infect" Claire when he took her? Who/what/when infected Sayid? Do you remember what Sawyer's daughter's name is? Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Kermit on February 20, 2010, 06:47:30 PM Clementine Phillips
Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 22, 2010, 09:26:07 AM Thankies honey!!!!!! ::MonkeyKiss:: So good to see you in here, my friend!
Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on February 24, 2010, 01:38:23 PM I finally feel the story is moving forward. ::MonkeyBike::
Where did Jack’s son come from? The fact that his alternate life is fundamentally different is strange. The part about his appendix was interesting. I would think as a doctor he would find it odd that the scar is non-medical. So let’s get back to the son…who is the mother?!? Is it his former wife, the woman he “saved”? I was hoping they would show a picture of her at the house, but no such luck. I’m glad he was able to connect with his son and break the cycle of the crap his father put him thru. My sister swears that we have seen the little boy at the auditions before…the one with the father from the island. I can’t place him. But the fact that the father is in L.A. and not on the island goes with my theory that the island never existed in this new alternative reality. I was proud of Christian for acknowledging Claire in his Will. I guess there is no easy way to find out your husband/father was a cheating bastard! LOL. I love crazy Claire. I guess she has taken over Danielle’s role as the crazy baby-less island lady. Odd how the parallels are taking shape. The temple people told Kate that Danielle has been dead for years. Does that mean she has died since they got rescued or that she dies YEARS ago and Smokey was borrowing her body too? Anyway…Claire seems to really settle into Danielle’s old life. I wonder why she would be so upset if Kate was taking care of Aaron. I would think she would want Aaron to get off the island and live a normal life. I liked when John 2.0 came in…Claire was so blasé about it. LOL. Ouch to Jin’s stitches!! ::MonkeyEek:: The lighthouse…where did that come from? I wish we would have looked at all of the degrees/names to see what was shown. Jack went a bit postal on those mirrors…like he needs 7 more years of bad luck. I love Hurley and Jacob. The thing about ink on his head…priceless. So Sayid and Claire are infected by the same thing. Is that Smokey? Are we sure Smokey is the bad one? Wouldn’t it be crazy if Smokey was actually good and Jacob was the bad one and we just assumed it was the other way around because of the typical black/white thing. Next week should be GOOD! ::piggy:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on February 25, 2010, 03:44:52 AM Jack taking the poison was silly. I kind of wish they let him swallow it. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on February 25, 2010, 03:51:11 AM I also want to know what's up with Claire? If she became "infected" and turned bad, then when was she infected? She left Aaron in the middle of the woods, so I'm presuming it must have been before that? And how did both she and Sayid become "infected"? Because I now no longer think Jacob is alive again in Sayid. Did Ethan "infect" Claire when he took her? Who/what/when infected Sayid? That part confuses me. When did she get "infected"? If it happened to her the same way it happened to Sayid, then how and when? I know many think maybe Claire died in the explosion during the raid on the island to find Ben, because she was acting weird about dead Charlie...but if she was, then how did everyone else who saw her, saw her and talked with her. We know Hurley can talk to the dead and so can Miles, but Sawyer too? And is Ben infected too the same way Sayid is? Oh my brain hurts. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on February 25, 2010, 04:00:00 AM So Sayid and Claire are infected by the same thing. Is that Smokey? Are we sure Smokey is the bad one? Wouldn’t it be crazy if Smokey was actually good and Jacob was the bad one and we just assumed it was the other way around because of the typical black/white thing. Next week should be GOOD! ::piggy:: I love to read the thoughts on the show. Hubby is a big fan but doesn't get into it like I do. I rattle on and on about possibilities and after a while he's looking bored...lol...but in a good mannerly way. I can't help it and he knows it. This show makes me have to think and I love it! I love how it makes my imagination run wild and how many times the writers have totally surprised us. The ultimate surprise being that not only did they stop the crash from happening, but they're also still on the island and off of it. WHOA!!! CLEVER!!! I'm also wondering if Smokey is bad or not. If he's bad, I wonder if Sawyer is just playing all along, fishing for more info on Smokey because of the looks on Sawyer's face. It just seems like he's saying "don't try to con a con." lol. He knows there's more to this than just leaving the island. Why do THEY have to leave? Why can't smokey just take off and leave the place he hates? Why does there have to be a "we" and he's still being so vague with Sawyer. And why is he heading to the temple if he wants to leave the island so bad? Yup...next week should be good. Woo hoo!! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on February 25, 2010, 10:56:11 AM I was up to my eyeballs yesterday, but have been dying to get in to this thread!!!
OK, my take on Smokey so far. Why does he tell Sawyer that being a candidate to protect the island is just bull puckey? He said that was all Jacob's doing, right? But that it's all nonsense. Backing up a bit.... Remember Claire in Jacob's cabin with Christian? I'm presuming that was her "friend", Smokey. So I'm still presuming that Christian helping Locke in the bottom of the well to get him to turn the wheel so he can go and bring the rest of them back to the island was Smokey also? So then back to what Smokey is telling Sawyer. Contradictory, no? Seems that it was Smokey all along who wanted all these 815 people to be on the island. So why? And why was it Jacob who made contact with each of them at some portion in their life? Was it to protect them from Smokey one day in the future when they all crashed on the island? Because back to the good vs evil thing. Remember in the cave when Smokey and Sawyer got there, Smokey took the white (good) rock and threw it out into the ocean. Meaning he is black and evil, right? I'm also wondering why Claire would have to kill Kate for raising Aaron? Jolfan wrote: I love crazy Claire. I guess she has taken over Danielle’s role as the crazy baby-less island lady. Odd how the parallels are taking shape. The temple people told Kate that Danielle has been dead for years. Does that mean she has died since they got rescued or that she dies YEARS ago and Smokey was borrowing her body too? Anyway…Claire seems to really settle into Danielle’s old life. I wonder why she would be so upset if Kate was taking care of Aaron. I would think she would want Aaron to get off the island and live a normal life. I liked when John 2.0 came in…Claire was so blasé about it. LOL. *** I'm also wondering if Smokey was using Danielle's body to help the 815 people. Because that's what she mostly did, right? Help them against the others? That would make sense if Smokey wants them all there for a reason, and was keeping them (the candidates anyway) alive for some future plan of his. I have absolutely no idea about Jack's son, or who his mother is. I was also weirded out at Jack's apendectomy scar and his reaction to it. It was as if he didn't ever remember it having been there before. And isn't that the only evidence we've seen so far during these "Flash Sideways" that their time on the island really did happen after all? The lighthouse............I'm wondering who Jacob knows is coming to the island, but doesn't want there? Are we back at the whole Widmore thing? Remember it was Ben following Jacob who was trying to prevent Widmore finding it again. So is Smokey wanting Widmore there? Does Widmore play into this as more than just an early soldier on the island? I think that first building in the mirror Jack saw was Sun's family home. It had an Oriental design, I think LOL. So at least Sun and Jin are both finally headed to the Temple. I'll be glad to see them reunited........if Claire doesn't kill Jin first. Still wondering which Kwan it is written on the cave wall. And where is Desmond? Hopefully his flash sideways saga with Penelope will be coming soon! Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on February 28, 2010, 02:08:10 AM I'm also wondering if Smokey was using Danielle's body to help the 815 people. Because that's what she mostly did, right? Help them against the others? That would make sense if Smokey wants them all there for a reason, and was keeping them (the candidates anyway) alive for some future plan of his. Jen, you just blew my mind!!! What if smokey was using Danielle like that??!! Whoa!! I never expected Claire to react to that news in an angry way. That's so bizarre. I hope we hear some elaboration on why. That makes no sense at all. If Jin and Sun don't hook back up soon I'm going to scream from frustration!!! At least we know they're both heading to the temple. I hope they're not going to make us wait till the end of the season to see them reunited. We've been waiting so long! I believe you're right...that was Smokey all along helping Locke get off the island and manipulate them to return. I wonder if he's using Ben too and Ben has no clue because he had the same mission as Locke...to get them to return. It couldn't have been direction from Jacob... was it? Come to think of it, how did Ben know they all had to return to the island? Was that ever mentioned? How did he even know about there needing to be a return in a way that they all had originally arrived, all the way down to a dead guy being on the plane? Did Ben really just kill Locke because of jealousy or did he know that they'd need a dead guy to represent a dead Christian Shepherd on the return? Or was it both? Is that a major clue about the mysterious island...why the return had to be similiar to the first arrival? And my other question I'd like answered is have they been on the island many other times in some strange way that's not purgatory? Ooh this show keeps my brain buzzing! I would like to know where Desmond is too. He was on the plane and then poof! What a tease that is! LOL! Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2010, 09:44:17 PM the 3 people that are supposed to be dead Claire, Locke, Syaid are being invaded by evil to make them appear alive?????
Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Kermit on February 28, 2010, 09:47:19 PM the mirror at the lighthouse is like Alice In Wonderland - they've gone through the looking glass and the way back is through that????
Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: NickandNora on March 01, 2010, 03:34:25 AM the mirror at the lighthouse is like Alice In Wonderland - they've gone through the looking glass and the way back is through that???? That's interesting!!! I hadn't made the connection to Alice thru the looking glass. Is it a fact that Claire is dead? I've heard theories that she may have died during the attack on the Dharma village, but I'm not sure if she's really dead. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on March 02, 2010, 12:40:41 PM Me in blue.
So Sayid and Claire are infected by the same thing. Is that Smokey? Are we sure Smokey is the bad one? Wouldn’t it be crazy if Smokey was actually good and Jacob was the bad one and we just assumed it was the other way around because of the typical black/white thing. Next week should be GOOD! I love that piggy! LOL ::piggy:: I love to read the thoughts on the show. Hubby is a big fan but doesn't get into it like I do. I rattle on and on about possibilities and after a while he's looking bored...lol...but in a good mannerly way. I can't help it and he knows it. This show makes me have to think and I love it! I love how it makes my imagination run wild and how many times the writers have totally surprised us. The ultimate surprise being that not only did they stop the crash from happening, but they're also still on the island and off of it. WHOA!!! CLEVER!!! This show has amazed me from the beginning. Always answering one question but creating 50 more. It is annoying at times, but it keeps me coming back. LOL. I'm glad that they are ending the show on their terms, instead of being canceled by the network and not be able to wrap it up like they want. I'm also wondering if Smokey is bad or not. If he's bad, I wonder if Sawyer is just playing all along, fishing for more info on Smokey because of the looks on Sawyer's face. It just seems like he's saying "don't try to con a con." lol. He knows there's more to this than just leaving the island. Why do THEY have to leave? Why can't smokey just take off and leave the place he hates? Why does there have to be a "we" and he's still being so vague with Sawyer. And why is he heading to the temple if he wants to leave the island so bad? I think Sawyer is smart enough to not trust what Locke 2.0 is saying. With everything he has been trough in the past 3 years on the island...I think he takes everything with a grain of salt...or should I say sand. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yup...next week should be good. Woo hoo!! ::MonkeyDance:: This deserves another piggy dance.... ::piggy:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on March 02, 2010, 01:49:34 PM Me in blue.
I was up to my eyeballs yesterday, but have been dying to get in to this thread!!! OK, my take on Smokey so far. Why does he tell Sawyer that being a candidate to protect the island is just bull puckey? He said that was all Jacob's doing, right? But that it's all nonsense. I think it is bull puckey. LOL. I would like to know what qualities make a candidate. Since Sawyer was a real jerk prior to the island...what makes him so wonderful now? Backing up a bit.... Remember Claire in Jacob's cabin with Christian? I'm presuming that was her "friend", Smokey. So I'm still presuming that Christian helping Locke in the bottom of the well to get him to turn the wheel so he can go and bring the rest of them back to the island was Smokey also? I believe so. So then back to what Smokey is telling Sawyer. Contradictory, no? Seems that it was Smokey all along who wanted all these 815 people to be on the island. So why? And why was it Jacob who made contact with each of them at some portion in their life? Was it to protect them from Smokey one day in the future when they all crashed on the island? Good question. Because back to the good vs evil thing. Remember in the cave when Smokey and Sawyer got there, Smokey took the white (good) rock and threw it out into the ocean. Meaning he is black and evil, right? I do believe the rocks represented each of them...but I am still not convinced that black equals evil. With these writers I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a switch-er-oo on us. I'm also wondering why Claire would have to kill Kate for raising Aaron? This boggles my mind. I would assume that Claire would be happy Aaron is off the island and has a chance at a normal life. Jolfan wrote: I love crazy Claire. I guess she has taken over Danielle’s role as the crazy baby-less island lady. Odd how the parallels are taking shape. The temple people told Kate that Danielle has been dead for years. Does that mean she has died since they got rescued or that she dies YEARS ago and Smokey was borrowing her body too? Anyway…Claire seems to really settle into Danielle’s old life. I wonder why she would be so upset if Kate was taking care of Aaron. I would think she would want Aaron to get off the island and live a normal life. I liked when John 2.0 came in…Claire was so blasé about it. LOL. *** I'm also wondering if Smokey was using Danielle's body to help the 815 people. Because that's what she mostly did, right? Help them against the others? That would make sense if Smokey wants them all there for a reason, and was keeping them (the candidates anyway) alive for some future plan of his. Yes...I can't wait to find this out if Danielle was a body Smokey used. I have absolutely no idea about Jack's son, or who his mother is. I was also weirded out at Jack's apendectomy scar and his reaction to it. It was as if he didn't ever remember it having been there before. And isn't that the only evidence we've seen so far during these "Flash Sideways" that their time on the island really did happen after all? The lighthouse............I'm wondering who Jacob knows is coming to the island, but doesn't want there? Are we back at the whole Widmore thing? Remember it was Ben following Jacob who was trying to prevent Widmore finding it again. So is Smokey wanting Widmore there? Does Widmore play into this as more than just an early soldier on the island? Ouch...I think my head is ready to explode! I think that first building in the mirror Jack saw was Sun's family home. It had an Oriental design, I think LOL. So at least Sun and Jin are both finally headed to the Temple. I'll be glad to see them reunited........if Claire doesn't kill Jin first. Still wondering which Kwan it is written on the cave wall. And where is Desmond? Hopefully his flash sideways saga with Penelope will be coming soon! Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on March 02, 2010, 01:52:25 PM the mirror at the lighthouse is like Alice In Wonderland - they've gone through the looking glass and the way back is through that???? Well if that is the case Jack really screwed that up! I knew Jack should have swallowed the poison. ::MonkeyDevil:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: JOLfan on March 04, 2010, 04:05:34 PM Watching the last few minutes of the prior episode before this one...to me it seemed Claire was more jealous of Kate possibly raising Aaron than mad. But with her craziness now who can tell. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Well…I guess Sayid has picked his side in this battle. I was sad that he wasn’t married to Nadia in the alternative reality. I wonder what “business” he was tending to in Sidney, since it wasn’t stopping a terrorist and learning where Nadia was. I find it fascinating that these alternative realities seem to change their lives prior to Flight 815 also. Well at least Jack and Sayid, and maybe Locke since he was married to Helen and still talked to his father. Kate was still a criminal and Claire was still pregnant…so no much changed for them. What the heck did Locke 2.0 promise Sayid to make his so agreeable. I understand that the Temple people wanted him dead...but he seemed like he was hypnotized of something. Claire had that glaze in her eyes also. It kind of reminded me of the Manson girls. Very creepy. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Sayid was crazy in this episode. I enjoyed the fight scene between him and Dogen. Do you think that when Dogen told Sayid not to let Locke 2.0 to say a word he meant an actual word? Did Locke 2.0 somehow confuse/control the situation by saying hello so quickly? If Sayid was aware and stabbed Locke 2.0 before he said hello would Locke 2.0 have died? How did Kate and Claire get out of the hole? Did Smokey pick them up out of it? I missed that part I think. Where was Jin and Sawyer? The look Locke 2.0 gave Kate was interesting. So now that Locke 2.0 has a mini army it should be interesting when Jack meets up with them. Will this be the ultimate science v. faith battle? Why was Jin in that freezer? I would say how random but nothing is random on Lost. And just because I think he is so freaking cute..... ::piggy:: Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Kermit on March 10, 2010, 01:12:12 PM the mirror at the lighthouse is like Alice In Wonderland - they've gone through the looking glass and the way back is through that???? Well if that is the case Jack really screwed that up! I knew Jack should have swallowed the poison. ::MonkeyDevil:: "Through the Looking Glass" was one of the past season shows titles. It's like 'Alice in Wonderland' where she went down the rabbit hole not once but twice and when she came back she thought it was a dream so she went back down the rabbit hole. REMEMBER Ben went down a hole in a tunnel and he turns a wheel which makes the island disappear. (there are also other mentions of tunnels throughout the story) 'Wizard of Oz' uses the same premise. Dorthoy went to another world and came back and thought it was a dream. The OZ who thought of himself as the wizard had all the power behind the curtain in the land of OZ, but when Dorothy gets back to Kansas he is just a traveling salesman. This is the same as LOST. The show has Oceanic flight 815 land in LA and they all have arrived and do not know each other. Hurly had all these fears before about winning the lottery and the numbers, but by the time the plane lands in LA he is normal. In Flashbacks we saw Ben come to the island as a boy. His father in this latest episode mentions how he took Ben to work with Dharma. On the island though, Ben went to live with the hostiles after he killed his father and the rest of them were gassed. Ben could never have become bad if he didn't go to the island - he would have become a good teacher. Just like Wizard of Oz could not have had all the power, he was a traveling salesman. This is what I think is the premise/story of 'LOST'. I might be wrong. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Blonde on March 10, 2010, 01:25:52 PM Who's the Mother of Jack's son?
Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Kermit on March 10, 2010, 06:31:53 PM Who's the Mother of Jack's son? Maybe Sarah, his ex-wife, whom he accused of sleeping with his father. The boy looks too old to be related to any of the Oceanic women like Kate. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on March 11, 2010, 09:11:23 AM I had to watch last week, and this week's episode this week.
I do not like evil Sayid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the promise Locke 2.0 made to him was that he could see Nadia again. I'm wondering what, if any, effect there will be to Dogen's body.....considering Sayid killed him in that pool that supposedly brings people back to life? And also the interpreter? Knowing that before 815 Jin was working for Sun's father as a thug, I'm wondering what the connection is between Sun's father and the mercenary that was hounding Sayid's brother (same guy that was working for Widmore and went to the island). And..............HA!! I knew it was Widmore who was coming to the island now!!!! And Jacob doesn't want him there, if everything Ben did in the past to keep him away is any indicator. So would that mean he and Black Shirt are pals? And now I'm really curious about Richard. He can't harm himself, but someone else could kill him? Why/how, and why would Jacob convince him to do that way back when? JolFan - looks like you could be right about Richard having been a slave on that black ship once upon a time! I'm also wondering why Jin wasn't with Claire and Locke 2.0 at the temple. What did they do with him? And were he and Sawyer together? So now we have the possibility of Jin and Sun being on opposing sides in this war? I was impressed with Ilana forgiving and accepting Ben. Also amazed that he showed some humility on the island, and possibly even some sincere gratefulness? Is Ben now going to be the Candidate's biggest defender? I get a kick out of Lapedis! ::MonkeyHaHa:: He's got some funny lines "Make friends easily, don't you." to Ben! ::MonkeyHaHa:: And now here's my big question.........we saw Ben's father alive in this flash sideways. That means they left Dahrma and the island at some point....................did everyone? Juliette???? Is she alive somewhere in this flash sideways? And what about the rest of 815 - Michael and the people from the other half of the plane? I think Kate and Jin are somehow going to be the two who pull everyone back together, and help defeat the Dark Side in this war (whichever side that is, lol). As they both seem to have seen Locke and Claire, been confused and shocked - and keeping their distance and just watching. I anticipate fireworks between Kate and Sawyer over it, and not good fireworks. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: jen3560 on March 19, 2010, 11:30:08 AM OK, so Widmore and Black Shirt are NOT pals? LOL, now I'm really confused over this. Ben evicted Widmore way back then - presumably at Jacob's behest. So is Widmore an enemy of both Jacob and Black Shirt?
In the flash sideways Sawyer is a cop, a bit of a rogue cop, but still a cop. I like that ::MonkeyDevil:: I also like that he and Miles are working together. That some of the 815 folks lives are different post 815 than they were pre 815, and some are the same makes me wonder why? Also indicates that the whole 'flash sideways' concept isn't necessarily true. Why would their lives be different post 815 than they were before they boarded the plane, if the island life never happened? I'm bugged by Claire. She tries to kill Kate, and then she buddies up to her. The grabbing Kate's hand with a cat-that-ate-the-canary look has me bothered. I also don't like what is happening to Sayid. I want him to be 'fixed', and back to the old Sayid. Title: Re: Lost ~ Final Season Post by: Kermit on April 30, 2010, 04:01:24 PM (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100401214545/lostpedia/images/f/fe/Jacob--with-his-enemy-1800s.jpg)
Locke was run down and Jack operated on him. Jack: "I think you're a candidate." MIB said that there were some who were chosen by Jacob as candidates to replace him to protect the ilsand. Candidates have protection with the Others. There are only 6 Candidates remaining. CANDIDATES listed on the cliffside cave are AND all of these have met Jacob who touched them. Hurley Reyes Sawyer Ford - (he chose the option to leave the island) Sayid Jack Shephard - met Jacob and Jacob touched him. Jack's number is 23 (his seat number in the plane) Jin or Sun Locke's name was crossed off the list by MIB (http://srwp.screenrant.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/young-jacob-small.jpg) JACOB AS A YOUNG BOY - Across the Sea. Jacob and MIB are brothers who have the same mother, but different fathers. They become adversaries in their late 20s. Adam and Eve are MIB and his mother Jacob put them in the cave. 8 DIE BEFORE THE FINALE 1. Ilana 2. Sayid 3. Widmore 4. Sun 5. Jin Sawyer is saved by Jack. Kate is shot by Zoe. |